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The Real Thing: Democracy as a Contact Sport By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman A few weeks ago, we received an invitation to attend an event at the Library of Congress. Coca-Cola was about to make an "historic contribution" to the Library of Congress, and the Library, and Coca-Cola, were inviting reporters to cover the event. We accepted the invitation. We learned from the morning papers that the "historic contribution" was a complete set of 20,000 television commercials pushing Coca-Cola into the American digestive system. Remember the one where the kid hands Pittsburgh Steeler Mean Joe Greene his bottle of Coke, and in return, Mean Joe tosses the kid his football jersey? Or what about on a hilltop in Italy where the folks start sing "I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company"? The event was at the Great Hall of the Thomas Jefferson Building -- named after the Thomas Jefferson who, in 1816, wrote: "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws our country." Anyway, we pull up at the appointed hour (7:15 p.m. on November 29, 2000) at the Thomas Jefferson building, and there's a traffic jam created by stretch limousines blocking the entrance. In addition to lowly reporters, the 400 or so guests included ambassadors, members of Congress, corporate chieftains and other dignitaries. Good thing we dressed up. The Main Hall is this absolutely stunning room, with marble staircases. A string quartet is playing. Waiters are serving Coke in classic bottles. The food is fabulous -- lamb chops, trout, Peking duck. We rub shoulders with the Ambassador from Burma. The "aristocracy of our monied corporations," as Jefferson put it, had taken over the place, and Coca-Cola wanted to make sure that everybody knew it. After all, Coke could have just donated the ads to the Library and left it at that. But this wasn't about Coke's largesse. It was about public relations -- whether the public would view the company as a racist company (Coke had just agreed to pay $192.5 million to settle allegations that it routinely discriminated against black employees in pay, promotions and performance evaluations) or a junk food pusher (consuming large quantities of sugared Coca-Cola has led to ours being one of the most overweight generations in history) -- or instead, a generous contributor to the Library of Congress. James Billington, the Librarian of Congress, was called on to deliver good things to Coke, and he did. He turned over the keys of the Main Hall to Coke, and Coke decked the place out with its logo, stitched in red beside the logo of the Library of Congress. Television sets were placed throughout the hall, the better for the Ambassadors and members of the Democratic Leadership Council to check out the commercials. Billington was selling the soul of the library to one of the world's most powerful corporations. In addition to the ads, Coke was establishing a fellowship at the Library for the study of "culture and communication" -- one fellow will receive $20,000 a year for the next five years. Gary Ruskin, director of Commercial Alert, was outside the event, protesting. "It is not the proper role of the taxpayer-financed Library of Congress to help promote junk food like Coca-Cola to a nation that is suffering skyrocketing levels of obesity," Ruskin said. "It is crass commercialism for James Billington to degrade Jefferson's library and founding ideals into a huckster's backdrop." But without shame, Billington introduced Doug Daft, the president of Coca-Cola, who said that "Coca-Cola has become an integral part of people's lives by helping to tell these stories." Nothing about profits. Nothing about overweight kids. Nothing about racism. After Daft spoke, the room went dark, and the ads ran on the television screens. Nostalgia swept the room. When the ads were finished, the lights went back on and the crowd cheered. About 80 high school students, dressed in Coca-Cola red sweaters, filled the marble staircases and sang -- "I want to buy the world a Coke." Again, the crowd cheered. Doug Daft, standing downstairs, came back to the microphone to continue his statement. We were upstairs at this point, and we looked down at him and asked, in a loud voice -- "Why are you using a public library to promote a junk food product?" The room went quiet. Library of Congress police charged up the marble staircase. Doug Daft put his hand to his ear and shouted back to us: "What did you say?" In a louder voice, we shouted back: "Why are you using a public institution to promote a junk food product?" The next thing we know, we are on the ground. The Library of Congress police had tackled us. Again, the crowd cheered -- not for our question, but for the tackle. We were dragged downstairs, past the Ambassador from Burma, and hauled outside, where police officers from the District of Columbia were waiting for us. Out of the Thomas Jefferson building came running a man from Coke. "This is a private event," the man from Coke told the police. "I'm from Coca-Cola." At first, the police wanted nothing to do with the man from Coke. But the man from Coke insisted. They huddled. Apparently, the man from Coke didn't want us arrested for asking an obvious question. Apparently, the man from Coke didn't want a public trial. The man from Coke was standing up for our First Amendment rights to ask his boss a question. The police said we were to leave the grounds. And we weren't to come back. Ever. Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Multinational Monitor. They are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1999).
Jim, These are good points to bring up. So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at all? That's an interesting point that I was unaware of. I was probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more about than the Nazi ascension to power. I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture. The actual historical situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case? Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement. I only touched on some ideological differences. What specifically was the labor movement's relationship to the Nazis? Jim --- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jagross@e... wrote: > > I restrained myself from quoting the whole message. Let me just > respond to one point that I think is important ... > > > > make no mistake: while the fascist leader pays such lip service to > > these classes, he is *actually* supported, the entire time, by the > > most powerful industrialists. The gran bourgeoisie, not the petite > > bourgeoisie, are the ones who abandon liberal democracy and bring in > > a Strongman to restore law and order against the proletariat. (For > > more on this aspect of fascism, see Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire of > Louis > > Bonaparte, or Barrington Moore, Social Origins of Dictatorship and > > Democracy). > > Okay, the problem here is differentiating between 1) The relationship > between capitalism and fascism at the time of the _creation_ of a > dictatorship ... versus 2) The relationship between capitalism and > fascism after the dictatorship has been fully established. In other > words, do _capitalists_ intend a dictatorship (1) or do they (2) > merely adapt opportunistically to the dictatorship once it is > established? > > Historically, capitalism adapted comfortably and happily to Fascism. > But fascism was never intended by the 'big bourgeoisie'. Especially > in Germany. I'll briefly list the following articles of proof with > respect to the Nazis: > > 1) The power to appoint the Chancellor (in 1933) stood with a tiny > clique of isolated individuals surrounding the aging President > Hindenberg. These included a few trusted old military figures and > Hindenberg's son. Hitler's ascension to power was indeed determined > by very contingent political factors, by human choices. A military > dictatorship was all but fated; a Nazi dictatorship was not. The > last Chancellor before Hitler, Kurt von Schleicher, could have rather > easily lead a military coup, and there might have never been a Nazi > dictatorship. In fact, he seriously considered doing so. > > 2) The 'big bourgeoisie' mostly opposed the Nazis, at worst > supporting the more authoritarian of the basically liberal (if not > fully democratic) parties. THIS is an important point: there may > have been an element of elitism on the part of many industrialists. > But this elitism, paradoxically, looked down upon the Antisemitism of > the Fascists as vulgar, ugly and stupid. It may have even been > viewed as a phenomenon of 'mob rule'. > > 3) Many of the industrialists were at the head of industries that > benefitted from free trade policies. The Nazis were shrill in their > condemnation of 'free trade'. > > 4) Exceedingly detailed research has been done on how the Nazi party > was funded. All records point to a mass-based funding model much > like the Communists and Social Democrats, with greater reliance on > money collected from party rallies (which were much more spectacular > than those of the SPD or CP). Industrialists contributed almost > nothing; when they contributed at all, it was very late in the game, > and only as a kind of desperate bribe. Only one steel magnate, a man > by the name of Fritz Thyssen, openly supported and contributed to the > Nazis. In 1934, he recanted and fled the country. > > There is only one argument that would seem at all logical. It's a > bit roundabout. > > Industrialists during the Weimar period did _not_ contribute to the > Nazis, generally, nor support them. They _did_, however, contribute > to the liberal parties, the left-liberal DDP and the right-liberal > DVP, in particular. In the late 20's, they began to cut back their > funding, because they found that they were entirely unable to > influence the nation's economic policy through their support of, and > contributions to, these parties. This helped lead to the collapse of > the centrist parties, and thereby the parties that frequently aligned > with the SPD to neutralize the Nazis. It also led to the effective > collapse of parliamentary rule. But this hardly amounts to saying > that the bourgeoisie wanted fascism. > > Otherwise, yes, the bourgeoisie adapted to Fascism just fine. But > Fascism is primarily political; it means the primacy of politics over > economics, not the other way around. > > Bye, > > Jeremy
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jmluceno@e... wrote: > Jim, Ummmm ... ?! Well, nonetheless: > These are good points to bring up. If this is clogging up peoples' mailboxes, this can of course be taken over to the NJFO list. But this is an interesting topic, considering especially that some people believe Fascism = Capitalism = Imperialism. Which has truths to it, but also severe distortions that make coming up with an effective (useful) analysis of American politics, international economics, etc, sort of difficult. But it is only relevant in the most indirect sense. > So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at > all? That's an interesting point that I was unaware of. I was > probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more > about than the Nazi ascension to power. I was only referring to the rise of the Nazi Party and the seizure of power during 1933-5. Fascist rule in Germany _after_ the Nazis 'won' is quite different: there's plenty of reason to believe that capitalists profited greatly. The point is that they didn't _want_ the Nazis to gain power; but they adjusted just fine afterwards. At least, this is what I gathered from a couple of books by the historian Henry A. Turner, _Hitler's 30 Days to Power_ and _Hitler and German Big Business_. Turner's actually sort of conservative, but he presents some very overwhelming evidence. I don't he can be dismissed as an apologist, let me put it that way. My understanding is that Marx's thesis is applicable when you start looking at questions of _how_ Hitler maintained support from the population once power had be attained. It may be a useful tool of analysis because, if nothing else, the bourgeoisie was weak in German much as it had been in France in 1848. > I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values > of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture. The actual historical > situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case? That accords with what I understand to be true. They especially appealed to lingering Feudal values, from what I know, the Junker class and a certain stratum of the peasantry that identified with them. And, of course, they had the support of many small manufacturers who were losing out to the big manufacturers who often supported free trade policies. But these manufacturers aren't what you could call the vanguard of capitalism, and they often subscribed to a feudal, agrarian 'ideological superstructure'. > Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the > socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement. I only touched > on some ideological differences. What specifically was the labor > movement's relationship to the Nazis? I never really studied that. The interesting question would be, I guess, to what extent did the Nazis ally with the SPD and Communists on policy issues. It's important to note that the Nazis had a 'left' and 'right' wing, as bizarre as that sounds, and even had a kind of labor union (a 'factory cell' structure, I think in the Trotskyist style). Obviously, the relevant point is that the Socialists and Communists were crushed, and the labor movement destroyed in the earliest years of the Nazi dictatorship. Labor leaders were amongst the very first people to be sent to the camps, as far as I know.
New Brunswick cops jailed for brothel 01/03/01 BY JIM O'NEILL STAR-LEDGER STAFF Despite pleas for leniency and vows of innocence, two New Brunswick police officers were sentenced to prison yesterday for running a brothel. They were also banned from ever working as cops again. "I stand before you as an innocent man," Sgt. Marco Chinchilla, 41, told the judge before being hauled away by Middlesex County sheriff's officers. "I will endure this and I know that God will be with me," he said, his voice cracking with emotion. "I'm innocent, judge. I'm innocent." An unmoved Superior Court Judge Barnett Hoffman sentenced Detective James Marshall to four years and Chinchilla to three years, despite tearful pleas from their families. "A message must be sent to people who protect society against criminals that they cannot become criminals," Hoffman said. "No one is above the law, including police officers." Marshall, 44, remained silent when asked if he wanted to address the court, but his mother, Helen, wept as she begged the judge to be lenient. "Jimmy is innocent and to my dying day, I believe that," she said. Hoffman, sitting in New Brunswick, said there was no reason to keep Marshall and Chinchilla out of prison. Attorneys said that with a four- year term, Marshall could become eligible for parole after serving a year to 19 months. Chinchilla, with the three-year term, could be paroled in nine to 15 months. Three co-conspirators also were sentenced yesterday. Luis Posadas, a 40-year-old New Brunswick businessman, was sentenced to three years for helping run the brothel, which operated out of the third floor of a warehouse on Jersey Avenue in New Brunswick from March to July 1998. Hoffman meted out a one-year probationary term for Michelle Thibeault, 31, who was convicted of helping run the brothel and working as a prostitute. Joyce Sweeney, 32, was placed on probation for a year for helping run the place. She was cleared of an accusation that she, too, worked as a prostitute. Before appearing in court yesterday, Marshall and Chinchilla -- both 16-year police veterans -- had been hoping to avoid prison by winning a new trial, but those dreams were quickly dashed when the judge ruled there was no basis for the request. Attorneys argued that one juror, Winston Smith, failed to disclose a November 1997 arrest in Piscataway on drug charges. Barry Albin, a Woodbridge attorney representing Marshall, said the defense would have excused Smith from the jury box, asserting he could not fairly sit in judgment of the police officers. Both of them worked narcotics investigations during their careers. Hoffman said Smith was cleared and was not obliged to mention the arrest during jury selection. Hoffman also said he was satisfied Smith was a fair and impartial juror. Hoffman later rejected a request to allow Marshall and Chinchilla to remain free while the issue is appealed. The judge said he saw no reason to delay incarceration. In addition to the terms, the judge fined Marshall, Chinchilla and Posadas $1,280 each. Thibeault was fined $1,155 and Sweeney, $655. During a five-week trial that ended with convictions on Oct. 26, Assistant Middlesex County Prosecutor Lawrence Welle portrayed Marshall and Chinchilla as officers who ran astray of the law, expecting they would not be caught. The business fell apart, the prosecution charged, after one of the prostitutes, Katherine Saddler, tipped police, claiming she was fired and never got money she was owed. She described for the jury a thriving massage parlor in which hookers pranced from showers to massage rooms, providing customers with sexual services. The officers denied any wrongdoing as the defense tried to portray Saddler as a drug abuser who concocted the account to avoid her own scrapes with the law. Marshall faces four additional trials in which he is accused of drug peddling, perjury and soliciting bribes. He also is accused of allowing two other houses of prostitution to operate in New Brunswick. He denies any wrongdoing. No trial dates have been set. Jim O'Neill covers the Middlesex County courts. He can be reached at joneill@... or at (732) 249-5670.
Would anyone be interested in going to a rally at 120 Wall St. this Saturday at noon? When we consider the struggle in the superstructure, and that building independant institutions is one of our main tasks, then the recent events at WBAI must be viewed as a serious setback to the left and our movement at a time when we can least afford it. Listen to 99.5 in the morning before 9am and between 3&5pm if you want to hear the struggle unfold. Those are two spots that Utrice Leid, the traitor Interim Manager has inserted scab broadcasters. Also, check out the websites below for more info. Matt THE PACIFICA COUNTERREVOLUTION HITS WBAI: Another Call for Action Edward S. Herman ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One of the most crushing series of blows to the U.S. left, and to democracy in this country, has been the gradual transformation of the five station Pacifica Radio network from locally-based and left-oriented stations into centrally controlled, mainstream institutions. Before 1990, all five stations in the network were locally oriented, locally managed with strong inputs from local audiences and employees, and both highly political and progressive. During the 1990s, however, three of the stations--Houston, Washington and Los Angeles--were pushed into the mainstream by the Pacifica management, with only KPFA in Berkeley and WBAI in New York City remaining as holdovers of the earlier tradition. On December 26, however, the Washington management seized control of WBAI, removing the long-time manager Valerie Van Isler, firing Program Director Bernard White and producer Sharan Harper without notice, changing the locks on the doors in the middle of the night, and installing a new manager from within the WBAI staff secretly primed for her new job. Only people on an approved list, which did not include Pacifica Foundation board member Leslie Cagan, were admitted to the station on December 27. There has been nothing democratic about any actions of the Pacifica management for many years, and with one of its board members a member of a law firm with a specialty in union-busting, the management has long mastered the art of using every trick in that trade. It will be recalled that the Pacifica management had tried to remake KPFA in Berkeley several years ago, locking out the employees, firing many, bringing in security forces and strikebreakers, but meeting such resistance, with 10,000 protesters in the streets, and getting such negative publicity that the management had to retreat. The stalemate resulted in a tacit settlement that gave KPFA and WBAI temporary autonomy and led to the appointment of several new representatives of the audiences and stations to the Pacifica board. But this settlement was only temporary, and the new board members quickly discovered that they were not listened to and were kept outside any decision-making process, sometimes by illegal actions (and two of the dissident board members have an ongoing suit against the board based on these illegalities). That the central management was on the march again, and that a takeover of WBAI might be in the works, was suggested by the sustained attack on Amy Goodman and her Democracy Now! program that escalated this past September and October. Goodman has long been harassed by the Pacifica top management for her lack of sympathy with Clinton and general failure to stick with the approved media agenda. She was brought to Washington in September and told quite clearly that her focus on East Timor, capital punishment, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Lori Berenson (etc.) was excessive. Former board chair Mary Frances Berry called her "troublesome," and said that she had "embarrassed" the network, possibly meaning Berry herself and her friends and colleagues in the Democratic Party. In October Goodman was once again brought to Washington and directly threatened with termination unless she refrained from using volunteers and cleared her programs in advance in Washington (among other demands). She immediately filed a grievance with the union for harassment and censorship. A problem for the Pacifica elite is that Goodman's show heavily outdraws their regular news programs, and most other Pacifica programs as well. This makes it awkward for them as they claim to be reforming Pacifica in the interest of enlarging audience size, which they have been trying to do by substituting popular music for politics (and softening any politics that remains). But Goodman's show and its successes in drawing audiences suggests that critical politics can be quite popular if done well. That she is regarded negatively by the Pacifica brass reflects political bias and a determination to defang and depoliticize the network in accord with the biases of the top management and their constituency. The constituency of the "old Pacifica" was the local audiences and employees and volunteers; the constituency of the "new Pacifica" of Bessie Wash and Mary Frances Berry is Washington power brokers, officials of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, and the Democratic Party. Even the New York Times notes that the Pacifica Foundation was initially based on "a lack of corporate control and its dedication to peace," and represented "grass roots, alternative broadcasting" (Jayson Blair, "Pacifica Foundation Locks WBAI Station Manager Out of Office," Dec, 28, 2000). The "new Pacifica" has changed course, and has abandoned both its grass roots base and alternative broadcasting. Its attack on Amy Goodman and the current takeover of WBAI are a part of this de-democratization and political neutering. This process has resulted from the capture of the Pacifica Foundation by a small group of liberal technocrats and Democratic Party-linked officials, who have added to their controlling board membership businesspeople in the real estate, construction, and corporate law fields to support them in their remaking of Pacifica. They have moved Pacifica's headquarters from Berkeley to Washington DC, in keeping with the shift in their constituency from audiences and employees to Washington power brokers. We are dealing here with a kind of coup d'etat, and a systematic destruction of a major left institution in the wake of that coup. Given the importance of the media in hegemonic processes, and in contesting those processes, what is happening to Pacifica, and now WBAI, should be first order business for the left. This was our only radio network, and it is being destroyed! It is a horrifying fact that a chunk of the left actually signed Saul Landau's letter in 1999 which defended the Pacifica management and urged the left to stop its "Pacifica bashing," with "Pacifica" identified with the management group that was destroying the old Pacifica and picking off left journalists and stations one by one. Some of the signers are people trying, for example, to contest corporate globalization, a subject on which Amy Goodman and the old WBAI would give their contesting position extensive and friendly coverage, but which the emerging "new Pacifica" will ignore or treat perfunctorily. (The "new Pacifica" Washington station WPFW, formerly run by current Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash, has been notoriously uninterested in protests against not only the dominant political party conventions, but those against the World Bank and IMF.) The lack of left solidarity involved in signing the Landau letter is equalled only by the sheer short-sightedness and stupidity of helping destroy a media institution that was a natural ally, if not part of the left itself. The battle over Pacifica and WBAI is not over. There are mounting protests against the WBAI takeover, and there are at least three legal suits in process against the Pacifica Foundation control group. I would urge people to get into action now. This is important! It was encouraging to see the New York Times finally come up with an article on December 28 putting the WBAI takeover in a negative light for both tactics and implied violation of organizational purpose. This is the time to move into action with letters, phone calls, picketing, and contributions to the funding of legal responses to illegitimate authority. Information on the issues and names and actions under way can be obtained from these key sites: Hotline: 800-825-0055 to volunteer 718-707-7189 for e-mail and updates Local WBAI sites: www.glib.com WBAI union www.wbai.net WBAI listeners Sites: general info and background www.radio4all.org/freepacifica www.savepacifica.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hi, neighboring New Brunswickians!
I thought you would be interested in this watch
dog/nonpartisan organization NJFOG (Foundation for
Open Government) just forming in NJ & based on other
states' efforts to open access to our government.
This coalition has been a big support for several of
us in HP trying to get public records that should be
open.
{A follow-up email will contain a letter explaining
the
incorporation of NJ FOG (NJ Foundation for open
Government), our mission & goals, as well as the
immediate need for such an organization.}
The coalition OPRA has been informally working on open
records legislation over the past 2 years and is
formally incorporating to continue this work in a
formal & organized way. We invite all interested
people and organizations to join.
Our first meeting: Jan. 13, Saturday in Highland Park
at 11 AM and will adjourn at 1:30 PM.
Agenda: includes an overview of the present
legislative picture and the organization of NJ FOG
(Board of Trustees will be elected from the members,
Executive Committee elected, etc.)
As it stands, the Senate will be voting on its version
of the Open Public Records Act in late January. In
some ways it is a stronger and in some ways a weaker
bill than the A1309 passed by the Assembly in late
spring. Part of the latter has been due to pressure
from the Attorney General's Office and Rutgers
University. The Coaliton is working on strengthening
this bill. Whatever the outcome, NJFOG will
incorporate as a long-term government access watch
dog, a place where both residents and government
officials can turn to for education and support on
open government issues.
The organizaing committee/coalition consists of
members from the Society of Professional Journalists,
the citizen's groups VOICES, Highland Park Observers,
Citizen Action, etc. Other organizations have been
working along side as well.
We invite all interested
people and organizations to come or send a
representative to this organizing meeting as we set up
NJ FOG. This organization is based on those of other
states that have worked on government access issues;
NJ FOG will also be a member of the National Freedomof
Information organization.
Membership will entail dues; although the type of
membership/dues structure is still to be determined
once the Board is established. Individual dues will
be very reasonable. The Society of
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for the start-up and incorporation of NJ FOG.
if you have any questions, please contact me. Please
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Fiscal Policy Institute
275 Seventh Ave, 6th Floor
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hi this is alyssa coiley and i am an activist from Chicago who lives in Newark now. i am looking to move to New Brunswick this month, actually like asap. if anyone knows of a room available i would really appreciate if you would let me know. thanks a lot alyssa joy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Keith, No, I don't think you're right about it being the expression of monopoly capitalism. Even Uncle Karl would disagree when he says the state comes into a power of its own, mostly apart from the bourgeoisie. Check out 18th Brumaire. I'll look up relevant passages later when I have time. Peace, Jim > Actually Hitler was well financed by not only the German big bourgeois but also > some Americans (Henry Ford for instance). An explaination of Hitler's financing is > available in a book called "Who Financed Hitler". . > The point that the big bourgeois would prefer bourgeois democracy to outright > dictatorship I think is true. Just look at them in the US they love to debate among > themselves on all sorts of things. The reason the big bourgeois supported the > dicatorship of Hitler was first, they feared a working class revolution. Their fear > was based not only on the victory of the proletariat in the Soviet Union but also on > the fact that the working class had taken state power in Germany in 1918. Secondly, > Hitler gave the big bourgeois complete control over the economy. Historically > speaking fascism attacks a retreating working class a kick 'em when their down kind of > thinking. R. Palm Dutt explains this in his book Fascism and Social Revolution. He > uses the example of Italy, Austria and Germany to make a pretty convincing case. All > three countries went fascist but only after the working class had state power within > or in its grasp, only to be betrayed by its social democratic "leaders". > I think that it is a mistake to say that fascism is the "primacy of politics over > economics". In fact, I think it would be the other way around. Fascism is the > outright dictatorship of monopoly capital. Humanity becomes completly subordinated to > the needs of big capital. The needs of capital in times of severe economic crisis are > most easily met through war; the destruction of the productive forces as a cure to > the economic crisis which is one of overproduction. Nazism is the most extreme form of > barbarous capitalism because it includes not only war as a means of destruction to > solve the economic crisis but genocide as well. > > jmluceno@e... wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > These are good points to bring up. > > > > So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at > > all? That's an interesting point that I was unaware of. I was > > probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more > > about than the Nazi ascension to power. > > > > I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values > > of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture. The actual historical > > situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case? > > > > Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the > > socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement. I only touched > > on some ideological differences. What specifically was the labor > > movement's relationship to the Nazis? > > > > Jim > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jagross@e... wrote: > > > > > > I restrained myself from quoting the whole message. Let me just > > > respond to one point that I think is important ... > > > > > > > > > > make no mistake: while the fascist leader pays such lip service to > > > > these classes, he is *actually* supported, the entire time, by the > > > > most powerful industrialists. The gran bourgeoisie, not the > > petite > > > > bourgeoisie, are the ones who abandon liberal democracy and bring > > in > > > > a Strongman to restore law and order against the proletariat. > > (For > > > > more on this aspect of fascism, see Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire of > > > Louis > > > > Bonaparte, or Barrington Moore, Social Origins of Dictatorship and > > > > Democracy). > > > > > > Okay, the problem here is differentiating between 1) The > > relationship > > > between capitalism and fascism at the time of the _creation_ of a > > > dictatorship ... versus 2) The relationship between capitalism and > > > fascism after the dictatorship has been fully established. In other > > > words, do _capitalists_ intend a dictatorship (1) or do they (2) > > > merely adapt opportunistically to the dictatorship once it is > > > established? > > > > > > Historically, capitalism adapted comfortably and happily to > > Fascism. > > > But fascism was never intended by the 'big bourgeoisie'. Especially > > > in Germany. I'll briefly list the following articles of proof with > > > respect to the Nazis: > > > > > > 1) The power to appoint the Chancellor (in 1933) stood with a tiny > > > clique of isolated individuals surrounding the aging President > > > Hindenberg. These included a few trusted old military figures and > > > Hindenberg's son. Hitler's ascension to power was indeed determined > > > by very contingent political factors, by human choices. A military > > > dictatorship was all but fated; a Nazi dictatorship was not. The > > > last Chancellor before Hitler, Kurt von Schleicher, could have > > rather > > > easily lead a military coup, and there might have never been a Nazi > > > dictatorship. In fact, he seriously considered doing so. > > > > > > 2) The 'big bourgeoisie' mostly opposed the Nazis, at worst > > > supporting the more authoritarian of the basically liberal (if not > > > fully democratic) parties. THIS is an important point: there may > > > have been an element of elitism on the part of many industrialists. > > > But this elitism, paradoxically, looked down upon the Antisemitism > > of > > > the Fascists as vulgar, ugly and stupid. It may have even been > > > viewed as a phenomenon of 'mob rule'. > > > > > > 3) Many of the industrialists were at the head of industries that > > > benefitted from free trade policies. The Nazis were shrill in their > > > condemnation of 'free trade'. > > > > > > 4) Exceedingly detailed research has been done on how the Nazi > > party > > > was funded. All records point to a mass-based funding model much > > > like the Communists and Social Democrats, with greater reliance on > > > money collected from party rallies (which were much more spectacular > > > than those of the SPD or CP). Industrialists contributed almost > > > nothing; when they contributed at all, it was very late in the game, > > > and only as a kind of desperate bribe. Only one steel magnate, a > > man > > > by the name of Fritz Thyssen, openly supported and contributed to > > the > > > Nazis. In 1934, he recanted and fled the country. > > > > > > There is only one argument that would seem at all logical. It's a > > > bit roundabout. > > > > > > Industrialists during the Weimar period did _not_ contribute to the > > > Nazis, generally, nor support them. They _did_, however, contribute > > > to the liberal parties, the left-liberal DDP and the right-liberal > > > DVP, in particular. In the late 20's, they began to cut back their > > > funding, because they found that they were entirely unable to > > > influence the nation's economic policy through their support of, and > > > contributions to, these parties. This helped lead to the collapse > > of > > > the centrist parties, and thereby the parties that frequently > > aligned > > > with the SPD to neutralize the Nazis. It also led to the effective > > > collapse of parliamentary rule. But this hardly amounts to saying > > > that the bourgeoisie wanted fascism. > > > > > > Otherwise, yes, the bourgeoisie adapted to Fascism just fine. But > > > Fascism is primarily political; it means the primacy of politics > > over > > > economics, not the other way around. > > > > > > Bye, > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e...
Alyssa, I called you a couple of times, but the phone was busy alot!!! I"m having a really busy week, and I'm not home much, but I wouldn't mind helping you if we could connect at all. Have you tried Rutger's Housing on George St? Also, put up signs at the co-op and the student centers. The Home News Tribune can also be a good source, at times. Karen --- Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...> wrote: > hi > this is alyssa coiley and i am an activist from > Chicago who lives in Newark now. i am looking to > move > to New Brunswick this month, actually like asap. if > anyone knows of a room available i would really > appreciate if you would let me know. > > thanks a lot > alyssa joy > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
Paul & Co.-
You might want to consider contacting these folks regarding the Right to
Know lawsuit that the Coalition has pending. Speaking of which, if the
Coalition is to become active again, following up on this lawsuit ought to
be a top priority, in addition to whatever Pat has going on. (Still on the
mend...I don't think I'll be up to going to tonights NJFO meeting, but send
out a note where it's going to be just in case.) Matthew
>From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] NJFOG (Foundation for Open Government
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:17:18 -0500
>
>Hi, neighboring New Brunswickians!
>
>I thought you would be interested in this watch
>dog/nonpartisan organization NJFOG (Foundation for
>Open Government) just forming in NJ & based on other
>states' efforts to open access to our government.
>This coalition has been a big support for several of
>us in HP trying to get public records that should be
>open.
>
>{A follow-up email will contain a letter explaining
>the
>incorporation of NJ FOG (NJ Foundation for open
>Government), our mission & goals, as well as the
>immediate need for such an organization.}
>
>The coalition OPRA has been informally working on open
>records legislation over the past 2 years and is
>formally incorporating to continue this work in a
>formal & organized way. We invite all interested
>people and organizations to join.
>
>Our first meeting: Jan. 13, Saturday in Highland Park
>at 11 AM and will adjourn at 1:30 PM.
>
>Agenda: includes an overview of the present
>legislative picture and the organization of NJ FOG
>(Board of Trustees will be elected from the members,
>Executive Committee elected, etc.)
>
>As it stands, the Senate will be voting on its version
>of the Open Public Records Act in late January. In
>some ways it is a stronger and in some ways a weaker
>bill than the A1309 passed by the Assembly in late
>spring. Part of the latter has been due to pressure
>from the Attorney General's Office and Rutgers
>University. The Coaliton is working on strengthening
>this bill. Whatever the outcome, NJFOG will
>incorporate as a long-term government access watch
>dog, a place where both residents and government
>officials can turn to for education and support on
>open government issues.
>
>The organizaing committee/coalition consists of
>members from the Society of Professional Journalists,
>the citizen's groups VOICES, Highland Park Observers,
>Citizen Action, etc. Other organizations have been
>working along side as well.
>
>We invite all interested
>people and organizations to come or send a
>representative to this organizing meeting as we set up
>NJ FOG. This organization is based on those of other
>states that have worked on government access issues;
>NJ FOG will also be a member of the National Freedomof
>Information organization.
>Membership will entail dues; although the type of
>membership/dues structure is still to be determined
>once the Board is established. Individual dues will
>be very reasonable. The Society of
>Professional Journalists has provided monetary support
>for the start-up and incorporation of NJ FOG.
>
>if you have any questions, please contact me. Please
>let me know if you are interested...
>
>Anne Barron
>732-545-4908
>
>Zofia Nowakowski
>Fiscal Policy Institute
>275 Seventh Ave, 6th Floor
>T: 212-414-9306
>F: 212-414-9002
>
>
>To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@...
>
>To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to:
>nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@...
>
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> Hey, Good to hear from you again. Okay: Quote **** Actually Hitler was well financed by not only the German big bourgeois but also some Americans (Henry Ford for instance). An explaination of Hitler's financing is available in a book called "Who Financed Hitler". . The point that the big bourgeois would prefer bourgeois democracy to outright dictatorship I think is true. Just look at them in the US they love to debate among themselves on all sorts of things. The reason the big bourgeois supported the dicatorship of Hitler was first, they feared a working class revolution. Their fear was based not only on the victory of the proletariat in the Soviet Union but also on the fact that the working class had taken state power in Germany in 1918. Secondly, Hitler gave the big bourgeois complete control over the economy. **** To say that some individuals from the ranks of the bourgeoisie supported Hitler is one thing. The book you mention above, from the reviews I read of it, seems to claim just this. To say, however, that Hitler was _largely_ supported by the bourgeoisie is a very different claim. The proof is overwhelming that he was _not_ overwhelmingly financed nor supported by the bourgeoisie. What's historically important is who _primarily_ supported and financed the Nazis. Primarily, he was supported by the petite bourgeoisie, by feudal aristocratic types, by the sorts of people who supported Louis Napoleon in France in the 1840's. As for fear of Communist revolution: this is why the bourgeoisie became peacefully accostomed to working with the Social Democrats throughout the 1920's. They preferred labor regulations and a welfare state to _both_ Communism and Nazism. Quote: *** Historically speaking fascism attacks a retreating working class a kick 'em when their down kind of thinking. R. Palm Dutt explains this in his book Fascism and Social Revolution. He uses the example of Italy, Austria and Germany to make a pretty convincing case. All three countries went fascist but only after the working class had state power within or in its grasp, only to be betrayed by its social democratic "leaders". I think that it is a mistake to say that fascism is the "primacy of politics over economics". In fact, I think it would be the other way around. Fascism is the outright dictatorship of monopoly capital. Humanity becomes completly subordinated to the needs of big capital. The needs of capital in times of severe economic crisis are most easily met through war; the destruction of the productive forces as a cure to the economic crisis which is one of overproduction. Nazism is the most extreme form of barbarous capitalism because it includes not only war as a means of destruction to solve the economic crisis but genocide as well. *** Upon further reflection, I think you'd have an awfully tough time defending the last statement here, that genocide somehow helped the Nazis to resolve the crisis of capitalism. If anything, it was certainly bad for capitalism. Many prominent scientists, businessment and intellectuals were Jewish. Entire areas of research were banned as being inherently "Jewish"; the most advanced physics of the time (Quantum Mechanics and Relativity) was banned as "Jewish Physics". If you want an instance of capitalists overthrowing bourgeois democracy and imposing a dictatorship, look to Chile or Guatemala, not Nazi Germany. TTYL, Jeremy
i want to make sure that jim schultz gets this info... >From: iacenter@... >Reply-To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...> >To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...> >Subject: Update on legal situation for Jan. 20 counter-inaugural from IAC >Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:23:59 -0500 > >INTERNATIONAL ACTION CENTER UPDATE ON THE LEGAL SITUATION >WITH THE JANUARY 20 COUNTER-INAUGURAL DEMONSTRATION > >The Partnership for Civil Justice�the DC-based attorneys who are >representing the International Action Center and other >protesters�have sent a letter to DC Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, >United States Park Police Chief Robert E. Langston, National Park >Service Director Robert Stanton, and United States Capitol Police Chief >James Varey. > >The legal team is insisting that people who oppose the Bush >administration have the right to express their opinion, to obtain permits >and to demonstrate their point of view in the area of the inaugural >event. The letter to the police requests specific information and >clarification on outstanding issues related to permits and police conduct >on January 20. The legal team has given the police agencies until the >close of the business day Monday, January 8, to respond. > >Let us be very clear on our goal in this endeavor: We intend to obtain a >permit so that thousands of people can participate in a mass rally on >January 20. We are launching a campaign to uphold our rights that will >use all available legal avenues as well as public pressure. > >The IAC will be giving everyone a comprehensive report on the status >of the permits, outstanding legal issues and other tactics at our >upcoming Regional Organizers Meeting on Tuesday, January 9. It will >be held at 6:30 pm at Local 169 UNITE union hall, 33 W. 14th St. in New >York City. It is very important for everyone who can to attend this >meeting. > >The police officials have been attempting to create a climate of fear >and confusion to deliberately dissuade thousands of people from >demonstrating at the Bush inauguration. The police agencies have told >the media that they intend to set up check points along the inaugural >route. This is precisely the tactic that the pro-Bush forces used in >Florida: setting up check points outside voting booths, especially in >African American and Haitian communities. > >After having disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in the general >election, the Bush administration wants to disenfranchise thousands of >protesters who want to exercise their First Amendment right to say >"NO" to the death penalty, racism and racist disenfranchisement, and to >raise other issues. > >We are confident that we can defeat what has been a systematic level >of intimidation. To succeed, the IAC and it allies to employ every >means at our disposal. We will pursue every avenue available to us. >This is because we believe that the highest priority is to make sure that >thousands and thousands of people come to Washington, DC on >January 20. > >The right-wing Bush administration would like to guarantee that the >next four years will be ones with no protests against racism, the death >penalty and war. But that is a fantasy because our movement is going >to grow. > >Again, make sure you organize to come to the January 9 Regional >Organizers Meeting to get a full report, as well as to pick up flyers, >posters, stickers and bus tickets. It will be held at 6:30 pm at Local >169 UNITE union hall, 33 W. 14th St. in New York City. > >International Action Center >39 West 14th Street, Room 206 >New York, NY 10011 >email: iacenter@... >web: http://www.iacenter.org >CHECK OUT SITE > http://www.mumia2000.org >phone: 212 633-6646 >fax: 212 633-2889 >*To make a tax-deductible donation, >go to > http://www.peoplesrightsfund.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
FYI >From: iacenter@... >Reply-To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...> >To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...> >Subject: NYC bus transportation to DC for Jan. 20 >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:38:15 -0500 > >BUS TRANSPORTATION TO JANUARY 20 >PROTEST IN DC AT BUSH'S INAUGURATION > >The International Action Center is chartering a large number of buses >for the New York area to take demonstrators to Washington DC on >January 20. > >BUS DEPARTURE TIME AND LOCATIONS >Buses will depart at 5 am on January 20 from the following locations: >Manhattan: > 14th St. and Union Square West > 96th St. and Broadway > 125th St. and Harlem State Office Building >Brooklyn > Grand Army Plaza/Brooklyn Public Library > >PURCHASING BUS TICKETS >To ride on a chartered bus, you must purchase your bus ticket in >advance. The round-trip tickets are $30 ($25 for low income). Tickets >can be purchased from the International Action Center office. Tickets >can be purchased by check until January 16. Write checks to >International Action Center. IAC office hours are Monday - Thursday >10 am-8 pm; Friday 10 am-7 pm; Saturday 11 am-5pm. > >SELLING TICKETS ON CONSIGNMENT >Blocks of tickets can be taken on consignment for selling to friends, co- >workers, members of your group, church, school, union, etc. Ask for >more information. > >FOR GROUPS, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, UNIONS, ETC. >Many groups and schools are chartering their own buses to the march. >Please let the International Action Center office know if you are >organizing a bus. Also, call the office if you need information or >assistance regarding bus rental. Bus packets, driving instructions and >bus captain orientations will be available the week before the march. > >*For bus transportation from areas around the country, go to >www.iacenter.org or www.mumia2000.org for the organizing center >nearest you. > > >International Action Center >39 West 14th Street, Room 206 >New York, NY 10011 >email: iacenter@... >web: http://www.iacenter.org >CHECK OUT SITE > http://www.mumia2000.org >phone: 212 633-6646 >fax: 212 633-2889 >*To make a tax-deductible donation, >go to > http://www.peoplesrightsfund.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
On behalf of NJFO, I have issued this statement in support of the staff at WBAI. Our organization may now appear on their own public statement condemning the take-over and firings. To the Staff at WBAI: We realize the gravity of the ongoing situation at WBAI. At this stage in the development of the progressive and revolutionary movement, independant media outlets for the free and democratic dissemination of ideas and information are critical. The actions of Pacifica, in capitulation with certain members of the WBAI staff, should be seen for what it is: the first step in the corporatization of this important community outlet and organizing tool. With the recent right-wing takeover of big government, the need for open access to this outlet has become even more critical. We urge you to continue struggling to undo the damage that has been done, and we support your demand that all staff that have been wrongly fired be immediately brought back. And we will do what we can where we are, in New Brunswick and Newark, NJ, to spread this information and build support. In Unity & Struggle, Matthew Smith New Jersey Freedom Organization (732) 545-5756 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
for further information on Hitler financing, check out "Ford and the Fuhrer: new documents reveal the close ties between Dearborn and the Nazis", by Ken Silverstein (The Nation, 1/24/00). It's a detailed expose of the intimate relationship between Henry Ford and the German Nazi Party. Silverstein writes: "Ford Motor set up shop in Germany in 1925, when it opened an office in Berlin. Six years later, it built a large plant in Cologne, which became its headquarters in the country. Ford of Germany prospered during the Nazi years, especially with the economic boom brought on by WWII. Sales increased by more than half between 1938 and 1943, and, according to a US Government report found at the National Archives, the value of the German subsidiary more than doubled during the course of the war... Ford eagerly collaborated with the Nazis, which enhanced its business prospects and at the same time helped Hitler prepare for war ..." this certainly provides an interesting exception to Jeremy's thesis that the capitalists got down with the Nazis only after they came to power. in H. Ford's case, we can see that the fool was a big subscriber of nazi ideology, which sparked his support of Hitler right off the bat. certainly, not all companies were the same, but we can't forget that the power of ideological agreement. an important extrapolation from the Ford/Fuhrer connection is the relationship between US Ford and the American labor movement. There were vicious strikes in Detroit before the UAW secured a stronghold at Ford, during which many stormtrooper-esque goons were unleashed on man, woman, and child alike to beat their brains in for supporting the union. Ford did much to inspire the proliferation of Cold War ideology in the US, and to redbait militant unionists. For more info, check out "the most dangerous man in Detroit:Walter Reuther and the UAW". kristina >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: Fascism vs. Communism >Date: Sat, 16 Feb 1980 01:58:42 -0500 > > Actually Hitler was well financed by not only the German big >bourgeois but also >some Americans (Henry Ford for instance). An explaination of Hitler's >financing is >available in a book called "Who Financed Hitler". . > The point that the big bourgeois would prefer bourgeois democracy to >outright >dictatorship I think is true. Just look at them in the US they love to >debate among >themselves on all sorts of things. The reason the big bourgeois supported >the >dicatorship of Hitler was first, they feared a working class revolution. >Their fear >was based not only on the victory of the proletariat in the Soviet Union >but also on >the fact that the working class had taken state power in Germany in 1918. >Secondly, >Hitler gave the big bourgeois complete control over the economy. >Historically >speaking fascism attacks a retreating working class a kick 'em when their >down kind of >thinking. R. Palm Dutt explains this in his book Fascism and Social >Revolution. He >uses the example of Italy, Austria and Germany to make a pretty convincing >case. All >three countries went fascist but only after the working class had state >power within >or in its grasp, only to be betrayed by its social democratic "leaders". > I think that it is a mistake to say that fascism is the "primacy of >politics over >economics". In fact, I think it would be the other way around. Fascism is >the >outright dictatorship of monopoly capital. Humanity becomes completly >subordinated to >the needs of big capital. The needs of capital in times of severe economic >crisis are >most easily met through war; the destruction of the productive forces as a >cure to >the economic crisis which is one of overproduction. Nazism is the most >extreme form of >barbarous capitalism because it includes not only war as a means of >destruction to >solve the economic crisis but genocide as well. > >jmluceno@... wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > These are good points to bring up. > > > > So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at > > all? That's an interesting point that I was unaware of. I was > > probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more > > about than the Nazi ascension to power. > > > > I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values > > of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture. The actual historical > > situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case? > > > > Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the > > socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement. I only touched > > on some ideological differences. What specifically was the labor > > movement's relationship to the Nazis? > > > > Jim > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jagross@e... wrote: > > > > > > I restrained myself from quoting the whole message. Let me just > > > respond to one point that I think is important ... > > > > > > > > > > make no mistake: while the fascist leader pays such lip service to > > > > these classes, he is *actually* supported, the entire time, by the > > > > most powerful industrialists. The gran bourgeoisie, not the > > petite > > > > bourgeoisie, are the ones who abandon liberal democracy and bring > > in > > > > a Strongman to restore law and order against the proletariat. > > (For > > > > more on this aspect of fascism, see Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire of > > > Louis > > > > Bonaparte, or Barrington Moore, Social Origins of Dictatorship and > > > > Democracy). > > > > > > Okay, the problem here is differentiating between 1) The > > relationship > > > between capitalism and fascism at the time of the _creation_ of a > > > dictatorship ... versus 2) The relationship between capitalism and > > > fascism after the dictatorship has been fully established. In other > > > words, do _capitalists_ intend a dictatorship (1) or do they (2) > > > merely adapt opportunistically to the dictatorship once it is > > > established? > > > > > > Historically, capitalism adapted comfortably and happily to > > Fascism. > > > But fascism was never intended by the 'big bourgeoisie'. Especially > > > in Germany. I'll briefly list the following articles of proof with > > > respect to the Nazis: > > > > > > 1) The power to appoint the Chancellor (in 1933) stood with a tiny > > > clique of isolated individuals surrounding the aging President > > > Hindenberg. These included a few trusted old military figures and > > > Hindenberg's son. Hitler's ascension to power was indeed determined > > > by very contingent political factors, by human choices. A military > > > dictatorship was all but fated; a Nazi dictatorship was not. The > > > last Chancellor before Hitler, Kurt von Schleicher, could have > > rather > > > easily lead a military coup, and there might have never been a Nazi > > > dictatorship. In fact, he seriously considered doing so. > > > > > > 2) The 'big bourgeoisie' mostly opposed the Nazis, at worst > > > supporting the more authoritarian of the basically liberal (if not > > > fully democratic) parties. THIS is an important point: there may > > > have been an element of elitism on the part of many industrialists. > > > But this elitism, paradoxically, looked down upon the Antisemitism > > of > > > the Fascists as vulgar, ugly and stupid. It may have even been > > > viewed as a phenomenon of 'mob rule'. > > > > > > 3) Many of the industrialists were at the head of industries that > > > benefitted from free trade policies. The Nazis were shrill in their > > > condemnation of 'free trade'. > > > > > > 4) Exceedingly detailed research has been done on how the Nazi > > party > > > was funded. All records point to a mass-based funding model much > > > like the Communists and Social Democrats, with greater reliance on > > > money collected from party rallies (which were much more spectacular > > > than those of the SPD or CP). Industrialists contributed almost > > > nothing; when they contributed at all, it was very late in the game, > > > and only as a kind of desperate bribe. Only one steel magnate, a > > man > > > by the name of Fritz Thyssen, openly supported and contributed to > > the > > > Nazis. In 1934, he recanted and fled the country. > > > > > > There is only one argument that would seem at all logical. It's a > > > bit roundabout. > > > > > > Industrialists during the Weimar period did _not_ contribute to the > > > Nazis, generally, nor support them. They _did_, however, contribute > > > to the liberal parties, the left-liberal DDP and the right-liberal > > > DVP, in particular. In the late 20's, they began to cut back their > > > funding, because they found that they were entirely unable to > > > influence the nation's economic policy through their support of, and > > > contributions to, these parties. This helped lead to the collapse > > of > > > the centrist parties, and thereby the parties that frequently > > aligned > > > with the SPD to neutralize the Nazis. It also led to the effective > > > collapse of parliamentary rule. But this hardly amounts to saying > > > that the bourgeoisie wanted fascism. > > > > > > Otherwise, yes, the bourgeoisie adapted to Fascism just fine. But > > > Fascism is primarily political; it means the primacy of politics > > over > > > economics, not the other way around. > > > > > > Bye, > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hey folks- If you want a glimpse at the WBAI-99.5FM struggle & Rally last Saturday to re-democratize this critical community suported outlet, check out this website put up by Nat Bender, son of labor singers Bob and Patty Bender. Also, the Amy Goodman, host of WBAI's 'Democracy Now!' will be the Guest Speaker at a Teach-In at NYU sponsored by the Women's International League for Peace and Freedom. ********************************************************************* "The Pacifica Boards Attacks Against WBAI's Listener-Sponsored Radio" Saturday, January 27, 2001 from 1pm-4pm @ NYU's Main Building, Rm 714 Corner of Waverly and Washington Square Park, Enter @ Waverly Door and take North Elevator to the 7th Flr. FMI:(212) 533-3470 Let me know if your interested in attending this event. Matthew >From: "Nat Bender" <nat@...> >To: <rbender@...>, <Djbender@...>, "buell" <buell@...>, > <vivaohio@...>, <bobl@...> >Subject: photos from WBAI rally yesterday >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:58:04 -0800 > >online at http://www.revolutionarywebdesign.com/wbai . > >Solidarity! >Nat T. Bender >Minister of Information >www.RevolutionaryWebDesign.com >908/241-8560 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hello again ... --- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote: > for further information on Hitler financing, check out "Ford and the Fuhrer: > new documents reveal the close ties between Dearborn and the Nazis", by Ken > Silverstein (The Nation, 1/24/00). It's a detailed expose of the intimate > relationship between Henry Ford and the German Nazi Party. > > Silverstein writes: > > "Ford Motor set up shop in Germany in 1925, when it opened an office in > Berlin. Six years later, it built a large plant in Cologne, which became its > headquarters in the country. Ford of Germany prospered during the Nazi > years, especially with the economic boom brought on by WWII. Sales increased > by more than half between 1938 and 1943, and, according to a US Government > report found at the National Archives, the value of the German subsidiary > more than doubled during the course of the war... Ford eagerly collaborated > with the Nazis, which enhanced its business prospects and at the same time > helped Hitler prepare for war ..." > > this certainly provides an interesting exception to Jeremy's thesis that the > capitalists got down with the Nazis only after they came to power. in H. > Ford's case, we can see that the fool was a big subscriber of nazi ideology, > which sparked his support of Hitler right off the bat. certainly, not all > companies were the same, but we can't forget that the power of ideological > agreement. Again, I said that most of the big German capitalists did not support the Nazis; hence I argued that it's impossible to claim that Nazism was an _expression of capitalism_ or an expression of _the will of capitalists_. First, what's more important here is the degree to which the 'national bourgeoisie' supported the Nazis. But that aside, though there were quite a number of people such as Ford, capitalists in Germany and abroad who supported the Nazis politically or economically, they still didn't make a decisive difference as to whether or not the Nazis seized power in Germany. Certainly, the Ford case doesn't prove that Fascism or Nazism were inherently Capitalist ideologies / movements. That's my point here. > an important extrapolation from the Ford/Fuhrer connection is the > relationship between US Ford and the American labor movement. There were > vicious strikes in Detroit before the UAW secured a stronghold at Ford, > during which many stormtrooper-esque goons were unleashed on man, woman, and > child alike to beat their brains in for supporting the union. Ford did much > to inspire the proliferation of Cold War ideology in the US, and to redbait > militant unionists. For more info, check out "the most dangerous man in > Detroit:Walter Reuther and the UAW". It'd be interesting to see if Ford was really and truly inspired by the Nazis' paramilitary squads in his company's strikebreaking methods. I'd guess that he would have stated this openly somewhere if it is indeed the case. TTYL, Jeremy
As Campaign General Counsel, and as a member of its Research unit, I am coordinating volunteers to attend various municipal meetings coming up over the next three months. Most of these meetings are relatively short. This important job, by which the Campaign keeps tabs on city activities and gains visibility with community members, entails promptly arriving at the meetings, picking up the agenda, taking notes on what is said and done, introducing yourself to members of the body in question and/or its staffers, and possibly speaking (if an issue of interest to the Campaign comes up). If you can do this, or know someone who can, please contact me at the following email address, replacing (dot) with a . and replacing (at) with an @ : flavio(dot)komuves(at)att(dot)net Also, please circulate this email widely to others who may be interested in attending. The meetings that need to be attended follow. Before attending a meeting, it may be wise to call the appropriate office (e.g. City Clerk, Board Secretary, etc.) to ensure it is still going on as scheduled. CITY COUNCIL City Hall, 78 Bayard Street Regular Meetings 7 pm, January 17 7 pm, February 7 7 pm, February 21 7 pm, March 7 7 pm, March 21 Agenda Meetings 5 pm, January 11 5 pm, February 5 5 pm, February 15 5 pm, March 5 5 pm, March 19 PLANNING BOARD 7:30 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street January 10, February 14, March 14 ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT 7:30 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street January 22, February 5, March 26 RENT LEVELING BOARD 7 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street January 9, January 23, February 13, February 27, March 13, March 27 ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION 7:00 PM, Public Library, Livingston Avenue January 25, February 22, March 28 TRAFFIC COMMISSION 2:00 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street February 1, March 7 BOARD OF EDUCATION 7:00 PM, New Brunswick High School, 1125 Livingston Avenue January 16, February 20, March 20 CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD School Auditorium 115 Livingston Avenue January 9, February 13, March 13 HOUSING AUTHORITY 6:45 PM, 176 Memorial Homes January 26, February 23, March 24 LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES 5:00 PM, Public Library, Livingston Avenue January 24, February 28, March 28 Thank you for your anticipated help! Flavio L. Komuves General Counsel New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign P.O. Box 131 New Brunswick, NJ 08903 Buchanan Ingersoll, P.C. 650 College Road East, 4th Floor Princeton, NJ 08540 609/987-6854
FYI, Here is the same list of meetings, sorted by date. Again, please attend! Flavio CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD January 9 TBD School Auditorium, 115 Livingston Avenue RENT LEVELING BOARD January 9 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street PLANNING BOARD January 10 7:30 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CITY COUNCIL (Agenda) January 11 5 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CITY COUNCIL (Agenda) January 15 5 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street BOARD OF EDUCATION January 16 7 PM N.B. High School, 1125 Livingston Avenue CITY COUNCIL (Regular) January 17 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street ZONING BOARD January 22 7:30 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street RENT LEVELING BOARD January 23 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street LIBRARY BD. OF TRUSTEES January 24 5 PM Public Library, Livingston Avenue ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION January 25 7 PM Public Library, Livingston Ave. HOUSING AUTHORITY January 26 6:45 PM 176 Memorial Homes TRAFFIC COMMISSION February 1 2 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CITY COUNCIL (Agenda) February 5 5 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street ZONING BOARD February 5 7:30 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CITY COUNCIL (Regular) February 7 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD February 13 TBD School Auditorium, 115 Livingston Avenue RENT LEVELING BOARD February 13 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street PLANNING BOARD February 14 7:30 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street BOARD OF EDUCATION February 20 7 PM N.B. High School, 1125 Livingston Avenue CITY COUNCIL (Regular) February 21 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION February 22 7 PM Public Library, Livingston Ave. HOUSING AUTHORITY February 23 6:45 PM 176 Memorial Homes RENT LEVELING BOARD February 27 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street LIBRARY BD. OF TRUSTEES February 28 5 PM Public Library, Livingston Avenue CITY COUNCIL (Agenda) March 5 5 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CITY COUNCIL (Regular) March 7 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street TRAFFIC COMMISSION March 7 2 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD March 13 TBD School Auditorium, 115 Livingston Avenue RENT LEVELING BOARD March 13 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street PLANNING BOARD March 14 7:30 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street CITY COUNCIL (Agenda) March 15 5 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street BOARD OF EDUCATION March 20 7 PM N.B. High School, 1125 Livingston Avenue CITY COUNCIL (Regular) March 21 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street HOUSING AUTHORITY March 24 6:45 PM 176 Memorial Homes ZONING BOARD March 26 7:30 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street RENT LEVELING BOARD March 27 7 PM City Hall, 78 Bayard Street ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION March 28 7 PM Public Library, Livingston Ave. LIBRARY BD. OF TRUSTEES March 28 5 PM Public Library, Livingston Avenue
Hello, Many of you are probably aware that Senator Torricelli has, in recent weeks, openly proclaimed his support for John Ashcroft. He has recently modified this, stating that he will support Ashcroft so long as he openly proclaims a willingness to fight racial profiling. The NY Times and others have speculated that this stems from a number of highly opportunistic political considerations on Torricelli's part, including, I think, worries that he may be investigated on matters of fundraising. In any case, Torricelli has a web-based email forum http://www.senate.gov/~torricelli/ Also, check out People for the American Way at: www.pfaw.org (it might be .com, but I think it's .org) Jeremy
That makes sense since Torricelli was a champion fundraiser in the last four years. >From: jagross@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Ashcroft and Torricelli >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:20:19 -0000 > > >Hello, > >Many of you are probably aware that Senator Torricelli has, in recent >weeks, openly proclaimed his support for John Ashcroft. He has >recently modified this, stating that he will support Ashcroft so long >as he openly proclaims a willingness to fight racial profiling. The >NY Times and others have speculated that this stems from a number of >highly opportunistic political considerations on Torricelli's part, >including, I think, worries that he may be investigated on matters of >fundraising. > >In any case, Torricelli has a web-based email forum >http://www.senate.gov/~torricelli/ > >Also, check out People for the American Way at: >www.pfaw.org (it might be .com, but I think it's .org) > >Jeremy > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I just filled out a funny contact form on torricelli's web site. it thanked me for expressing my views after i pressed "submit". hah! >From: jagross@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Ashcroft and Torricelli >Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:20:19 -0000 > > >Hello, > >Many of you are probably aware that Senator Torricelli has, in recent >weeks, openly proclaimed his support for John Ashcroft. He has >recently modified this, stating that he will support Ashcroft so long >as he openly proclaims a willingness to fight racial profiling. The >NY Times and others have speculated that this stems from a number of >highly opportunistic political considerations on Torricelli's part, >including, I think, worries that he may be investigated on matters of >fundraising. > >In any case, Torricelli has a web-based email forum >http://www.senate.gov/~torricelli/ > >Also, check out People for the American Way at: >www.pfaw.org (it might be .com, but I think it's .org) > >Jeremy > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "Kubran, Judith" <JKubran@...> >Subject: Oppose John Ashcroft Nomination >Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:07:43 -0500 > > >[mailto:ricardo@...] >Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:40 PM > >Dear Friend, > >I thought you might be interested in >this DRCNet Rapid Response Team e- >activism campaign. If you go to the >URL below you can check out what is at >stake and send your own message >directly to the relevant decision >makers. > >Take action on this alert from DRCNet Rapid Response Team at: >http://GetActiveHub.com/campaign/stopja1 > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Oppose John Ashcroft for Attorney General > >We are opposing the John Ashcroft nomination because >of his record as one of the worst drug warriors in >the Senate. > > > > >*********************************************** >Powered by LocusPocus, Inc. >Enabling Organizations To Achieve Their Mission >http://www.locuspocus.com >*********************************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: ARTISTpres@... >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: Think Tank Frankensteins: Bush's Rainbow Cabinet by R Lederman >Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:03:50 EST > >Think Tank Frankensteins: GW Bush's Rainbow Cabinet >by Robert Lederman > >Frankenstein: (noun) A monster created from incongruous parts. > >The media keeps telling us that GW Bush's racially, ethnically >and gender diverse cabinet proves he is not a bigot. Nothing >could be further from the truth. > >The conservative foundations behind GW's appointees - the >Heritage Foundation, The Federalist Society, the John M. Olin >Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Manhattan >Institute and the Bradley Foundation - have created these think >tank Frankensteins for a sinister purpose. > >African Americans who quote Charles Murray - a eugenicist who >believes Blacks are genetically inferior; Latinos who oppose the >minimum wage and believe Spanish should not be spoken in >America; a Jewish press secretary for a President whose family >bankrolled Hitler - it is damage control not diversity that >accounts for these men and women rising to prominence. > >The corporate foundations that sponsored these appointees and >in many cases created their reputations are believers in white >supremacy and eugenics. Their long range plans for America's >people of color and for the populations of Third World nations >could more appropriately be titled "The Final Solution" than >"Compassionate Conservatism". > >These same foundations have insidiously penetrated every aspect >of American political life. Under the guise of philanthropy they >now financially sponsor virtually all the television shows on PBS >dealing with political, religious or educational issues, dominate >talk radio and supply the vast majority of the "experts" on >network news programs or quoted in mainstream newspapers. > >Scientific Racism >An ideological blitzkrieg is being waged with social scientists >bankrolled by corporations with a eugenics viewpoint as >front-line troops. Unlike the KKK or other openly racist groups, >the organizations backing Bush and his appointees are made up >of educated people who sponsor seminars and publish scholarly >books rather than burning crosses. That's why eugenics is called, >scientific racism. > >Behind the foundations that financed the research and the >widespread - often free - distribution of these social scientists' >books you will find white supremacists, defense contractors, >pharmaceutical companies with ties to IG Farben, former Nazis >and advocates for depopulating much of the world. Their >obsession with birthrates and IQ scores among people of color is >tied to ideas about national security and so-called >anti-communism. For three generations the Bush family has been >centrally involved in these efforts. [See Bush, Abortion and >Racial Eugenics http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/ ] > >Many of these think tanks and foundations have close ties to the >CIA and defense contractors. That the extreme right in America >claims to be based on the teachings of Jesus and the Bible is >nothing new; the 19th century defenders of slavery made the >exact same claims. To understand the Bush administration it is >the Bell Curve, not the Bible, that you need to look at. > >The Bell Curve and GW Bush >The works of Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve and >Losing Ground, are held up by many of Bush's staff and advisors >as key texts justifying their agenda of privatizing schools, >eliminating welfare and turning social programs over to >faith-based charities. From Murray we can trace a common theme >running throughout the entire GW Bush administration. > >Being in favor of school vouchers and eliminating welfare or >being against affirmative action does not in itself make somebody >a racist - but if someone is sponsored by racists, associates with >racists and writes approvingly of racists then one's advocacy on >these issues should be interpreted in that light. > >Here is what Scientific American had to say about Murray's The >Bell Curve: http://www.kwaku.org/rm/sciam2.htm >SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN January 1995 Volume 272 Number 1 >Page 14 For Whom the Bell Curve Really Tolls: >A tendentious tome abuses science to promote far-right policies- >"The arguments stem from the same tradition of biological >determinism that led, not so long ago, to compulsory >sterilizations in the U.S. and genocide elsewhere. The notion is >that individuals' characteristics are both essentially fixed by >inheritance and immune to alteration by the environment. Efforts >to help those who are unfortunate by reason of their genes are >unlikely to be rewarded. Solutions, therefore, should include >those Murray has long advocated: abolish welfare, reduce >affirmative action and simplify criminal law." > >Among the many Bush cabinet appointees and advisors >associated with Murray's ideas are Stephen Goldsmith, Tommy >Thompson, Elaine Chou, Myron Magnet, Marvin Olasky, Linda >Chavez, Karl Rove, Floyd Flake, Spencer Abraham and various >members of the Bush family - including former President Bush. > >The CIA Connection to Scientific Racism >Charles Murray wrote The Bell Curve during eight years as a >research fellow at The Manhattan Institute, a think tank founded >by Reagan's CIA director William Casey. After WWII Casey and >other US officials who had business ties with the Third Reich >helped bring thousands of former Nazis to the U.S. - supposedly >to fight communism but in reality to help firmly establish >corporate fascism - which they have been very successful at. > >These were not just the atom bomb scientists most people are >familiar with but specialists in eugenics, propaganda, using >pharmaceuticals for social control and research on genetics - >much of which was done in Nazi concentration camps. Many of >these men also had extensive experience in rounding up Jews, >Slavs and other ethnic minorities to be exterminated. > >These former Nazis became a core group within the >newly-formed CIA and many of them later became key aides to >the Republican Party and former President Bush [Philadelphia >Inquirer 9/10/98 "Fired Bush backer one of several with possible >Nazi links," September 10, 1988; Washington Post Friday, >September 16, 1988 ; Page A16 "Behind Scenes, Damage >Control Has Become Vital Weapon for Bush"]. > >The CIA's first director, Allen Dulles, was legal counsel for >Standard Oil/IG Farben and worked closely with Prescott Bush, >Averil Harriman and Rockefeller in helping to finance the Third >Reich. Many of the corporations that sided with Hitler during >WWII are well-represented in GW Bush's administration today. > >Funding for Charles Murray at the MI (Manhattan Institute) >came primarily from the Pioneer Fund - the nation's #1 eugenics >think tank, which is associated with Nazi Germany and three >generations of the Bush family. A number of GW's election >lawyers are associated with the fund and most of the >"scholarship" quoted in the Bell Curve was also funded by the >Pioneer Fund. > >MI is financed by Wall Street investment bankers and oil and >pharmaceutical companies, many of which - like the >Rockefellers' Chase Manhattan Bank - have direct historical ties >to Nazi Germany, eugenics and IG Farben - which was half >owned by Rockefeller. While MI's focus on race is evident from >a visit to their website an even larger part of their efforts are >related to the issues of population control and national security. > >Many of GW Bush's advisors are research fellows, directors or >regular guest speakers at The Manhattan Institute including >Myron Magnet, Stephen Goldsmith, Floyd Flake, Linda Chavez >and Tommy Thompson - and frequently appear alongside their >colleague, Charles Murray, in seminars on eliminating welfare. > >Sharing a similar origin with Bush's cabinet appointees, GW's >"compassionate conservatism" was created by the >CIA/Manhattan Institute's Myron Magnet and Marvin Olasky. In >the intro to Olasky's latest book GW Bush calls him, >"compassionate conservatism's leading thinker." After >successively abandoning Judaism, atheism, membership in the >Communist Party and sixties-style idealism, Olasky became a >fundamentalist Christian. Like many in Bush's circle, Olasky >now believes poverty is caused by a lack of moral values among >the poor rather than by a built-in system of social inequality. The >Redeemer, a church he founded in Austin Texas, teaches that >women have no place in leadership. His theories on the poor >were central to Newt Gingrich's Contract With America [Dallas >Morning News, NY Times, UK Guardian, AP]. > >On their website MI supports Jesse Helms, imprisoning low-level >drug offenders, eliminating virtually all government regulations, >censorship, opening wilderness areas to oil and gas drilling, >turning over all social services to faith-based charities, >privatizing prisons, hospitals, parks, streets and schools and >school vouchers - in short the entire GW Bush political agenda. > >Americans who like the Victorian idea of charities rather than >taxes providing a social safety net forget that before welfare, >social security or Medicaid all social services in America were >supplied by faith-based charities. While these groups did good >work they were never up to the task of helping so many poor, >disabled, sick and elderly people or millions of children who >more often than not were left to fend for themselves or starve. > >Charles Murray was a consultant for Bush's Sec. of Health and >Human Services, Tommy Thompson, and is favorably quoted by >Linda Chavez on her organizations' website - The Center for >Equal Opportunity. Murray also sits on panel discussions about >eliminating welfare with two African American conservatives >almost picked for cabinet positions - Eloise Anderson and Floyd >Flake. The websites of Anderson's organization, Claremont >Institute, like that of Flake's Manhattan Institute, contain >numerous laudatory quotes about Charles Murray. > >Linda Chavez was a research fellow at the CIA's Manhattan >Institute during 1993 and 1994 receiving almost $200,000 in >grants from the John M. Olin Foundation, a right-wing fund >derived from a family business in munitions and chemicals with >roots in white supremacy. If she hadn't been unceremoniously >dumped by Bush her anti-union, anti-affirmative action, >anti-Spanish language and anti-minimum wage ideas would have >created plenty of controversy on their own. > >Elaine Chao, Bush's Asian-American replacement for Chavez, is >a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank >with direct connections to former Nazis and white supremacists. >After doing a search on the Heritage foundation's website I found >almost 100 references to Charles Murray - all of them positive. >Chao is also allegedly linked to China's President Jiang Zemin >via longstanding business and family ties [source: Voice of >America; WorldNetDaily.com]. >.> Bush Picks Chao for Labor Post (AP) 1/12/2001 "Chao is a >fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank."< > >Charles Murray is also a regular speaker for the Federalist >Society - co-founded by Bush energy appointee Spencer >Abraham - an ultraconservative legal advocacy group dedicated to >eliminating affirmative action, welfare, bilingual education and >the right to sue the government. Supreme Court Justices Scalia >and Thomas (next to Colin Powell Thomas is America's highest >ranking affirmative action recipient) are prominent members of >the Federalist Society, which is funded by the John M. Olin >Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation and the Bradley >Foundation - far right foundations linked to racism and eugenics. > >Stephen Goldsmith, a leading Manhattan Institute fellow, is GW >Bush's top domestic policy advisor. Here's part of his >introduction to a symposium on welfare at the Manhattan >Institute in April 1999 featuring Charles Murray: > > > "Education and Welfare: Meeting the Challenge >A Message from CCI Chairman, Mayor Stephen Goldsmith >[CCI is a division of Manhattan Institute] >America is in the midst of an urban renaissance...CCI’s April >conference “Next Steps in Welfare Reform” highlighted just how >far we’ve come. The conference brought together public officials >like Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson and scholars like >Dr. Charles Murray to discuss how governments and private >groups have reduced dependency and increased >self-sufficiency...Fifteen years after the Manhattan Institute >published Charles Murray’s landmark study of American welfare >policy, Losing Ground, the presentations showed that ideas once >seen as radical now form the mainstream of the welfare debate." > >Among the panelists alongside Murray and Goldsmith was Jason >Turner, former head of Wisconsin's welfare program. Turner later >became infamous as head of NYC's abusive workfare system >after quoting the motto over the gates of Auschwitz - "Arbeit >Macht Frei - work shall make you free" [NY Times 6/27/98]. > >The Bush family represent three generations of eugenics >aristocracy. Their extensive political dynasty continues a family >tradition begun in the 1930's when Prescott Bush and his >corporate friends financed the Third Reich. > >No concentration camps will be needed this time around. Thanks >to modern science - much of which is derived from Nazi >Germany - vaccines, pesticides, chemtrails, >genetically-engineered foods, DNA technology and new chemical >methods of sterilization and birth control are all that will be >required to carry out the population control goals of eugenics. > >What's really inclusive about the GW Bush administration's >agenda? This time around a lot more people will be included on >the list for elimination - or as corporate America prefers to call it >- downsizing. > >LINKS TO INFORMATION IN THIS ARTICLE: > NY Times Monday, May 12, 1997 Manhattan Institute Has >Nudged New York Rightward >"...the institute was founded as a free-market education and >research organization by William Casey, who then went off to >head the Central Intelligence Agency in the Reagan >Administration." > >NY Times June 12, 2000 Bush Culls Campaign Theme From >Conservative Thinkers “Gov. George W. Bush has said his >political views have been shaped by the work of Myron Magnet >of the Manhattan Institute.” > >From the MI website: Books That Influenced Gov. George W. >Bush Myron Magnet's The Dream and the Nightmare: "Referring >to this book, Gov. Bush has said, other than the Bible, that it was >the most important book he had read..." > >The Bell Curve and the Pioneer Fund >http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/049.html >http://www.fair.org/extra/9501/bell.html >http://www.marmoset.com/60minute/Webnav/eugen.html > >The Heritage Foundation >http://www.corporations.org/coors/ >http://alant.purespace.de/anti.html >http://www.watch.pair.com/heritage.html > >Corporate America's Nazi connection >http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Binion122100/ >binion122100.html >http://www.capnasty.org/taf/issue7/elkhorn1.htm > >To access thousands of web sites with detailed information on >the Bush/Nazi connection go to a good search engine such as> >http://www.google.com/ and type in Bush AND Nazi. > >Bush financial misconduct >http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html >Who funded GW Bush? >http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Bush/bush17.html > >FAIR on John Ashcroft and race >http://www.fair.org/press-releases/southern-partisan.html > >Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. >(Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics) >ARTISTpres@... (718) 743-3722 >Bush, Eugenics, Giuliani, Manhattan Institute info >http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/ >Street artist info >http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html > >FEEL FREE TO REPOST, PRINT OUT AND DISTRIBUTE >WIDELY! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>QUOTE OF THE DAY >========================= > >"I went out to play golf, and it just didn't dawn on me that >when I came to the hole on the road, there would be 300 >people there. And it affected my swing, I want you to know." > >- GEORGE W. BUSH, > January 14, 2001 In His First Days, Bush Plans Review of Clinton's Acts By DAVID E. SANGER and FRANK BRUNI RAWFORD, Tex., Jan. 12 � President-elect George W. Bush said today that he planned to review and possibly roll back some of the most ambitious initiatives that President Clinton has taken in recent days, including regulations that put nearly 60 million acres of the nation's forests off limits to development. "I understand the Western mentality, and I want the Western mentality represented in this administration," Mr. Bush said of his own land use policies. In an interview, he emphasized that "we've got lawyers looking at every single issue, every single opportunity" to reverse actions Mr. Clinton has taken in the waning weeks of his presidency. He also described what could well become a new, tougher approach toward Russia, limiting aid for its conversion to a market economy, and he elaborated on several other foreign policy issues. Previewing one of the most closely watched decisions he will face in his first month in office, he signaled that he was inclined to use an executive order to stop the flow of American money to any international organizations that provide abortions in foreign countries. "Organizations that promote abortions are organizations I don't want to support" with American taxpayer dollars, Mr. Bush said. Mr. Bush's remarks came in a 75-minute interview in his renovated farmhouse here, followed by less formal conversation during a 90-minute tour of his ranch and a hike up a limestone canyon to his favorite waterfall. Along the way � stopping at moments to admire the middle fork of the Bosque River rushing through his land or to point out a buzzard � the man who will become the 43rd president of the United States on Saturday also talked about his legislative priorities, his Inaugural Address and the diplomatic troubles he anticipates with Moscow and Beijing over his plans to deploy a national missile defense system. Mr. Bush was dismissive of the Clinton administration's eight-year-long use of direct financial aid to Russia, part of a broad Western effort to coax the country toward a market economy. He suggested he would try to stop the money � except for that used to dismantle nuclear weapons � until Vladimir V. Putin, the Russian president, cleaned up corruption and enacted far-reaching economic and legal reforms. "It's hard for America to fashion Russia," Mr. Bush said. "It just seems like to me that we don't want to be lending money and/or encourage the lending of money into a system in which the intention of the capital is never fulfilled," he said. "The intent of the capital was to encourage entrepreneurship and growth and markets." According to the General Accounting Office, the United States has spent roughly $2.3 billion since 1992 promoting democracy, the rule of law and market reforms in Russia, but the annual disbursements have tailed off steeply since the Russian financial crisis of 1998. The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, institutions in which the United States is the largest single shareholder, have issued loans to Russia over the same period worth approximately $30 billion. Taken together, Mr. Bush's comments amounted to a sketchy road map for his first 100 days in office. By making it clear that he would rigorously review Mr. Clinton's environmental orders and suggesting he might reverse the Clinton administration's position on aid to family planning groups working overseas, he was embracing some favorite causes of his conservative base, especially the Western states he called "that big swath of red on the map" � a region of contiguous states he swept as he took the presidency in the narrowest of victories. In the case of reversing President Clinton's forest policy, which was made final this month, after years of painstaking review and public comment, Mr. Bush would face many legal restraints. He acknowledged that his lawyers would have to look carefully at what options were open. His comments on Russia, if converted into policy, could lead to a fundamental change in the way the United States seeks to influence the behavior of a nation that was once its chief superpower rival � and it risks heightening suspicions in Russia of how America is leveraging its economic and military power. In the interview, Mr. Bush also made the following points: �He said his Inaugural Address, which he hopes to keep to a short 12 minutes, would carry the message that "we can be a unified America." But he insisted that this theme was not the product of his slim victory in the Electoral College and loss in the popular vote. �Mr. Bush said he planned to quickly introduce his plan to cut taxes by an amount now estimated at $1.6 trillion over the next 10 years as a single bill, perhaps modifying it to deepen the tax cuts in the next few years so that it could spur a slowing economy. Asked if he was willing to negotiate the size of his proposed tax cut with a sharply divided Congress, he shot back: "The answer is no. I think it's the right number." �He suggested he might be willing to pick up on Mr. Clinton's framework for a deal with North Korea to control its production and export of missiles but said it must include provisions to "verify that they are upholding their end of the agreement." If North Korea no longer threatens its neighbors, he said, he would "take a look" at reducing American troops on the Korean Peninsula, but only in consultation with South Korea and other Asian allies. �Mr. Bush acknowledged that the economic sanctions imposed on Iraq since the Persian Gulf war have so collapsed that "they resemble Swiss cheese." But while he was critical of Mr. Clinton's handling of Iraq, he declined to say what tools he might use to pressure Saddam Hussein. �Mr. Bush said he may have erred in commenting on the Federal Reserve's action early this month to cut interest rates, and suggested that to preserve the Fed's independence he would not publicly evaluate its actions as president. "I kind of read the feedback and tended to agree with it, frankly," he said of the criticism he received for enthusiastically backing the half-point cut in short-term rates. From Ranch to Frying Pan Throughout the conversation Mr. Bush looked relaxed. He was clearly enjoying a day off puttering around his ranch, brewing coffee for visitors and interrupting the conversation repeatedly to admonish his two friendly but occasionally disobedient dogs, Spot and Barney. But he leaned forward and turned intent when the subject turned to his choice for attorney general, former Senator John Ashcroft, a religious conservative who he said he knew "could end up being a lightning rod" for criticism. He said he expected that Mr. Ashcroft's confirmation hearings, which begin on Tuesday, would be focused on the designee's comments on civil rights, his fierce opposition to abortion and comments he made supporting leaders of the Southern side of the Civil War. "They are going to dig up every word the guy uttered," Mr. Bush said. "He's going to get to explain them. He explained many of the words he uttered to me." The president-elect professed to be unfazed by the withdrawal this week of his choice for labor secretary, Linda Chavez, who had failed to tell the Bush transition team that she had once had an illegal immigrant live in her home and perform occasional house chores. Mr. Bush would not say that he had been misled by Ms. Chavez, but noted, "She said she made mistakes," and he seemed to agree with that assessment. Mr. Bush described his cabinet as "a very strong group of folks," made stronger by their extensive experience in government. "I'm always mindful of what Sam Rayburn told Lyndon Johnson when he first saw the Kennedy administration," he said, referring to the famously gruff former speaker of the House. "He said, `Gosh, I just wish one of them had run for sheriff.' " And that's why I'm very comfortable with an Ashcroft or a Norton. They not only ran for sheriff, they ran for statewide offices." Talking like a professor of management at Harvard Business School � which he attended decades ago � he said he was working hard to turn his cabinet choices into a cohesive team that is accustomed to his own style. In his two visits to Washington in recent weeks, he noted, he was "spending time with the folks, just watching everybody interact and letting them see how I respond and my style. I want them to see the decision-making process and how it works." He wanted, he insisted, no yes-men or yes-women. "Here's loyalty," he said. "Loyalty is somebody who walked into my office and says, `Here is my opinion,' or `I hear you are thinking this way. I don't agree with you.' " He made it clear, however, that once he had chosen his path, he expected his cabinet members to voice unanimous support for his decisions in public. At one point Mr. Bush said that he had cautioned his press secretary, Ari Fleischer, that at times he would withhold information so that Mr. Fleischer could truthfully profess ignorance to reporters � hardly a new strategy for occupants of the White House. Mr. Bush recalled telling Mr. Fleischer recently, "When I tell you you are not going to know something, you say, `Yes, sir.' " `I Love Land' Mr. Bush made little effort to hide his interest in reversing some of Mr. Clinton's recent executive orders and rules. But he cautioned that his aides were still researching whether reversals would be legally or politically possible, noting at one point that some of his actions would require legislation and "it doesn't take much to block action in the United States Senate," where there are now 50 Republicans and 50 Democrats. Mr. Bush's views on the administration's recently completed effort to block the development of roadless areas of federal lands, essentially putting those areas off limits to loggers and oil drillers, was complex. Mr. Bush himself clearly treasures his natural surroundings � "I love land," he said while driving around the 1,600 acres he acquired in 1999 � but he instinctively bridles at the thought that the federal government would trump local officials or private landholders in deciding how that land should be used. "What I would seek to do is to make sure that our bureaucracies were not trampling the interest of the people � and the president himself would work with local stakeholders before takings � such as what the president has done with the roadless areas, for example." The word "takings" is used to describe government action to limit the use of land, with minimal or no compensation. "The concept of the federal government taking people's property without compensation is something I agree with Gale Norton on," he said. "It should not. There ought to be a balance between obviously the public interest and private property. And a lot of people in my state and in the Western states feel that balance is not there." He reiterated his determination to drill for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and said: "People shouldn't be shocked that I'm picking somebody who agrees with me. That's what a president does." But he stopped short of saying that he would reverse the forest policy wholesale, suggesting he would consult with "governors and senators and local folks" to determine which lands should remain off limits and which should be developed. "There's going to be some property in these giant chunks of land that we can use and not damage the environment," he said. "There are some in this country that have wanted zero exploration or zero activity. And I just don't think it's in our national interest to take that approach." He was more definitive about his opposition to federal aid for family planning groups that promote or perform abortions abroad. One of Mr. Clinton's very first acts, two days into his presidency in 1993, was to sign an executive order scuttling a Reagan-era policy that prohibited these private organizations from receiving public funds. Under a compromise reached in October to avoid a confrontation between Congressional Republicans and Mr. Clinton, Congress allocated $425 million for such family planning activities � but said it could not be spent until Feb. 15. That clears the way for Mr. Bush to return to the Reagan policy, and while he said that he had not yet thoroughly reviewed the matter, he suggested he was inclined to head in that direction. He also gave a sense of his other priorities, suggesting that in addition to education reform legislation and his tax bill, "we may be able to move a little faster on Medicare" reforms, including prescription drug coverage for elderly Americans. But he tacitly conceded that an overhaul of Social Security, a major subject of debate in the campaign, would take time. Looking Abroad In discussing foreign policy, Mr. Bush again said he would not allow American military forces to engage in what he called "nation-building" � converting countries to stable democracies � because it was a distraction from their main mission. That was a critical difference with Vice President Al Gore, who repeatedly cited the experience of American forces in helping remake Japan and Germany after World War II. He said allies in Europe were "very aware" of his desire to gradually reduce America's presence in Kosovo and Bosnia, and said Secretary of State-designate Colin L. Powell would make it clear that Washington wanted Europe "to be the peacekeepers." (In fact, the United States provides less than 20 percent of the peacekeeping forces in the Balkans.) But, Mr. Bush said, "I don't have deadlines in mind" and "I honor the agreements that the president has � that our country has made." "It's going to take a while" to pull back, he said. He endorsed much of Mr. Clinton's core strategy toward China, using economic engagement to promote more freedom, but he seemed unable to decide whether China posed more of a threat to the United States because of its growing military strength or its internal weaknesses. "I'm trying to figure out if your question is a trick question," he said with a smile. After a digression on the chaos brought about by the Cultural Revolution, he concluded, "To me, particularly as China develops as the military power, a chaotic China would be something that should cause great concern to people in the region and to us." He said he was prepared for objections from Moscow and Beijing to his plan to build a national missile defense, but he insisted it should not be seen by either capital as a threat. "We've just got to explain why we are doing what we are doing," he said. "The Chinese know and the Russians know that there will be no system developed in the immediate future or the foreseeable future, is a better word, that can conceivably intercept a multiple launch" of missiles at the United States. "You know that. They know that," he said. His real intent, he said, was to intercept an accidental launching of one or two nuclear weapons, or to deprive "some nation like Iran to eventually say to us, `And we've got one aimed at Israel.' " He would not discuss what kind of incentive he might offer China or Russia to accept the system, other than decreasing the size of America's own nuclear missile fleet. And how many warheads could he eliminate from America's arsenal? "That's what we are going to find out," he said. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hey everyone- Please try to make this event. Sorry about late notice, but that's how it goes in these parts. I'm working on an extensive digital slide presentation of civil rights images that will become the backdrop to their stage. (Oh, I also figured out how you can actually produce work in 2 and 3 different time zones simultaneously, thereby increasing your output capacity geometrically. Cost you a buck to find out.) See you tomorrow night. Matthew >From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...> >Reply-To: motherlandcollective@egroups.com >To: motherlandcollective@egroups.com >Subject: [motherlandcollective] King and the Mountain @ The Priory, Wed. >Jan 17 >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:56:32 -0800 (PST) > >Halim Suliman will join Amiri & Amina Baraka and Blue >Ark in a dramatic reading of Amiri Baraka's play >"King and the Mountain" at the Priory > >Wednesday, January 17 >7:00PM > >The Priory >215 West Market St. >Newark, NJ January 17, 2001 > >Admission $5.00 > >Exit 14, Tpk N, signs to Rt 21 N & over bridge, left onto Market St. (train >Station to to the right) Past Broad St, Up hill and West Market forks off >to right. Priory is old Church on Right with Restaurant awning. ____________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >motherlandcollective-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Public Lives: A Firm New Boss at an Old Voice of the Left
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/17/nyregion/17PROF.html
January 17, 2001
By LYNDA RICHARDSON
With the recent firings of staff members and the changing of locks in
the night, it has been suggested by dissenting voices that the
leftist, noncommercial radio station WBAI is having an Alexander
Haig moment.
In this case, the general who swooped in to take charge is Utrice
Leid, a regal native of Trinidad with a big, booming voice and big
earrings of silver and onyx that match the heavy ring on her
finger.
Ms. Leid, host of the station's popular afternoon show,
"Talkback," became interim general manager on Dec. 22, after WBAI's
parent group, the Pacifica Foundation of Washington, dismissed the
longtime station manager, Valerie Van Isler; the program director,
Bernard White; and the union steward, Sharan Harper. Ms. Leid and
Bessie Wash, Pacifica's executive director, had the station's locks
changed. Then Ms. Leid went on the air in the early morning to
announce a change in management, and that she was it.
"The funny thing in my life, it's kind of consistent with my life,
is I end up doing things because I am drafted," Ms. Leid said with
a hearty laugh the other day, poised and relaxed behind a desk
cluttered high with papers and books on the 10th floor of a Wall
Street high-rise.
A few days into her new job, Ms. Leid, 47, proclaimed that she
loved it. "I look forward to being tested," she said. "In every
moment that I've been tested, I've found that I've been equal or
even superior to the task."
To say that there is tension at WBAI is to put it mildly. Turmoil
over the firings has divided listeners and staff members at WBAI,
one of five affiliates of the tiny nonprofit Pacifica network,
which was founded in 1946 by pacifists and conscientious objectors.
There have been protests and vigils. Staff members hint darkly
about a hit list, and speculate about who may be next.
Ms. Leid seems impervious to the unpleasant things said about her,
that she is vindictive, for instance, and that her participation in
the shake-up is revenge against Ms. Van Isler for not hiring her as
program director last year. Ms. Leid says changes are long overdue,
because the station needs to broaden its audience and become more
relevant.
"It's best to describe what it used to be," she said in the
teacherly tone she used on her talk show to analyze a speech or
quiz her listeners on vocabulary. "It was depressing. It was
suffocating. It was frustrating. It inhibited creativity. It was
badly managed and horribly organized. At the same time, it was also
rife with great possibility and potential."
But does it strike Ms. Leid as odd for a station that has prided
itself on its democratic functioning to have security guards now?
She explains that the security detail is merely a volunteer force,
friends of hers and the station's.
"It became clear to many of us that it was planned that the
station would be seized and occupied," she said. "That was the
plan, and in some cases, there were utterances about destroying
equipment and doing harm to the station. We are in a heightened
state of awareness because of this crisis, which is a case of
manufactured dissent."
DRESSED in a pinstriped shirt, a dark navy blazer and gray slacks,
Ms. Leid is a large woman with milk-chocolate-brown skin and
short-cropped hair. She is clearly comfortable with herself at
center stage. As a girl in Trinidad, she represented her Roman
Catholic school in debates and essay contests. She was also picked
to present bouquets to visiting royalty.
Ms. Leid was one of nine children, with seven brothers and one
sister. She grew up expecting to be involved in business like her
parents. Her mother owned a restaurant in Trinidad, and her father
owned a variety of businesses, including a movie theater, a grocery
store and a bar.
Her interest in journalism began in 1973, after her father died of
a heart attack. She went to be with her grieving mother in
Trinidad, which was shakily recovering from a coup attempt. During
her yearlong stay, she researched how people were reacting to the
coup attempt, thinking it would make a good book.
But one day, machine-gun-toting men appeared at her home and
confiscated her 700 pages of notes, saying her project was
subversive. "It was kind of scary to have men surround the home,"
she recalled matter-of-factly, making one wonder if she might have
scared them.
Returning to New York, Ms. Leid found a job as a receptionist at
The Amsterdam News. But after a six- month stint at that
black-owned newspaper, she had grander dreams. Along with an
Amsterdam News colleague, she began a small news service to provide
news media outlets with articles with an African-American focus.
The news service lasted about four years.
Ms. Leid, who is single and lives in Brooklyn Heights, has always
been drawn to nonmainstream news media. She said they offered a
chance to do journalism that might otherwise not get done. In 1984,
she helped create The City Sun, a black-owned newspaper, and was
its managing editor for eight years. She said she left in part
because the paper was lying about its circulation figures to get
better advertising rates.
Since 1993, Ms. Leid has worked at WBAI. She concedes that these
are not normal times. But she is convinced that things will settle
down soon. Meanwhile, she is unapologetic.
"I've never been concerned about whether people like me or don't
like me," she said, "but I will not allow anyone to disrespect me."
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just so you know.. Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises Again." from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
FYI >From: michaels crockfords <mcrockford@...> >To: photochainb@... >Subject: Fwd: silent auction fundraiser for Chai project in new brunswick >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:35:03 -0800 (PST) > > >Note: forwarded message attached. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kristina, You should be clear that your posting was refering to a spoof. A few people have suggested that it appears as if you sent it as a real news report when it is from the NYT OP-ED. Frank Kristina's text follows below: just so you know.. Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises Again." from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara!
my apologies to the egroups: the quotation i sent around a few days ago about the inauguration was a joke. I should have made that clear. However, i agree wholeheartedly with the spirit of the essay... >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] oh my >Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:07:48 EST > > > >Kristina, > >You should be clear that your posting was refering to a spoof. A few people >have suggested that it appears as if you sent it as a real news report when >it is from the NYT OP-ED. > >Frank > > >Kristina's text follows below: > >just so you know.. > >Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director >Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme >for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises >Again." > >from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: michaels crockfords <mcrockford@...> >To: photochainb@... >Subject: Fwd: silent auction fundraiser for Chai project in new brunswick >Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:35:03 -0800 (PST) > > >Note: forwarded message attached. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi For all those interested, Keith and I are having a SuperBowl party at our house, 136 Baldwin Street, NB next Sunday (1/28). 6pm. See you then! BYOB. Louise _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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>Subject: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: Ignoring Reality at the Inauguration
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:17:01 -0500
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>ACTION ALERT:
>IGNORING REALITY AT THE INAUGURATION
>New York Times Stresses "Legitimacy" Over Democracy
>
>January 22, 2001
>
>The New York Times editorial the day after George W. Bush's inauguration
>("A
>Vision of Unity," 1/21/01) predicted, based on the inaugural address, that
>Bush could "lift the nation to a new era of inclusion and social justice,"
>and found room to describe how "the gloomy light of a winter's day was
>offset by splashes of color like Laura Bush's blue coat."
>
>But it didn't find space to mention the most striking feature of the 2001
>inauguration: that it occurred amidst widespread and angry protests
>rejecting the legitimacy of Bush's claim to office, the likes of which have
>not been faced by any modern president. Along the parade route, he was
>confronted by signs with messages like "Shame," "Bush Lost" and "Hail to
>the
>Thief." The London Guardian (1/22/01) reported that the inaugural parade
>"fell well short of being triumphant, and on many occasions during its slow
>advance through the drizzle, the sound of jeering drowned out the cheers."
>
>But the front page of the New York Times showcased stories like "Bush,
>Taking Office, Calls for Civility, Compassion and 'Nation of Character';
>Unity Is a Theme" and "Proud Father and Son Bask in History's Glow"-- both
>of which discussed Bush's teary-eyed father while avoiding any mention of
>protesters.
>
>While the Times' news editors could not totally ignore the estimated 20,000
>demonstrators, they did their best to downplay them, placing the one story
>about them ("Protesters in the Thousands Sound Off in the Capitol") on page
>17, the sixth out of eight pages of inauguration coverage. This article
>featured one quote from Rev. Al Sharpton and one from a demonstrator who
>spoke of the "inchoate feeling" that led her to march. This abbreviated
>presentation of the viewpoints of the tens of thousands of anti-Bush
>protesters was "balanced" by another quote from one of the hundred
>anti-abortion activists who demonstrated outside Planned Parenthood's
>offices.
>
>All told, the story measured 15 column inches out of eight full pages of
>inauguration coverage. (It was about three-fourths the length of
>"Floridians
>of the G.O.P. Savor 'Special Victory,' " on page 18.) The accompanying
>photo, a tiny 2"x3" shot of one of the day's anti-Bush marches, was the
>only
>one out of 19 inauguration-related photos in the paper to show any sign of
>dissent.
>
>Another inside-pages story, "Echoes of the Past, Near and Far, Are Heard on
>the Capital's Streets," included a lone protester outside the Supreme Court
>building, but presented him as well outnumbered by Republican
>counter-demonstrators singing "God Bless America."
>
>The most telling story of the inauguration package was a front-page news
>analysis headlined "Tradition and Legitimacy: A Nation's Old Rituals Begin
>to Dissolve Lingering Clouds of a Bitter Election Battle." This piece, by
>R.W. Apple, did mention the demonstrations-- in order to minimize their
>significance:
>
>"Arguments about the legitimacy of the Texas governor's victory have
>persisted even as the country accepted the fact that he had won. Thousands
>of the doubtful and disenchanted took to the streets of Washington today in
>angry protest. But the debate is likely to grow softer as the nation grows
>accustomed to pictures of Mr. Bush speaking from the Oval Office, boarding
>Air Force One, accompanied everywhere he goes by the strains of 'Ruffles
>and
>Flourishes' and 'Hail to the Chief.' In the television age, those images,
>more that anything else, confer the mantle of authority and legitimacy on a
>leader."
>
>The notion that it is media images, not the votes of citizens accurately
>counted, that give legitimacy to a leader is profoundly anti-democratic.
>The
>media's role in trying to shore up the fragile credibility of the
>establishment was a theme in the most insightful piece in the New York
>Times' inauguration coverage, "Reality of Nation's Divisions Quickly Creeps
>into the Commentary, " by TV critic Caryn James. She notes TV pundits'
>attempt to "retreat into a soothing little bubble where every action they
>observe is majestic and every viewer shares their sense of awe"--a bubble
>that was punctured by "visible evidence of furious protesters along the
>parade route."
>
>Because it was not obliged to present live video footage of that "visible
>evidence," the New York Times was much more successful than the television
>networks in minimizing the fact that tens of thousands of citizens from
>across the country marched on D.C. to reject Bush's assumption of power as
>illegitimate and undemocratic. The Times left readers with the impression
>that the dominant themes of the day were "Unity," "Tradition" and, above
>all, "Legitimacy."
>
>
>ACTION: Please write to the New York Times if you thought that the protests
>against George W. Bush's inauguration were an important story and deserved
>more prominence in the Times' inauguration coverage.
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>From: Nat Bender <nat@...> >To: vivaohio@..., buell@..., rstrong@..., >jchill512@... >Subject: Pacific article in Time >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:39:33 -0500 > > WBAI Hits The BigTIME! >Date: 01/22/2001 12:39:07 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: efsutton@... (Eileen Sutton) >Sender: worker-savewbai@... >Reply-to: savewbai@... >To: NYC-DAN@..., savewbai@... > >JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4 >Time Magazine > >STEVE LOPEZ'S AMERICA/NEW YORK >This Just In: We're Fired >A hostile takeover rocks radio's voice of the left >BY STEVE LOPEZ > >On election day, with a certain relative of his running for the U.S. >Senate, the Commander in Chief surprised New York radio stations by >calling with a genial get-out-the-vote message. But Clinton's >goodwill wagon lost an axle when he called WBAI in Manhattan and was >put on the air with Amy Goodman, host of a Pacifica Radio program >called Democracy Now! > >Goodman, an award-winning rabble rouser whose show is carried by >30-some stations, does not have a change-up. She only has fastballs, >and she throws at the head. For 30 minutes she kept Clinton dancing >and ducking, at one point accusing him of being responsible for the >genocide of 5,000 Iraqi children monthly through U.S. sanctions. It >was vintage Pacifica Radio, the hell-raising, corporate-bashing voice >of the left for a half-century, with stations in Los Angeles, Houston >and Washington, in addition to WBAI and the flagship KPFA in >Berkeley, Calif. But that voice is now being muffled in a way that >would embarrass the sandal-wearing founders of the nonprofit Pacifica >Foundation, some of whom now stage their sit-ins in the next life. > >Dreaded capitalists have commandeered the ship, speaking the >bottom-line language of Arbitron ratings and floating the idea of >raking in millions by selling a station. They literally changed the >locks and barred several employees from the building at WBAI last >month, after doing the same thing two years ago at KPFA. The irony is >richest at WBAI, where the program director and others were fired >without warning on Dec. 22 in "the Christmas coup." So much for >"Democracy Now!" > >"Many are calling it a political purge," says Goodman, who's been >feuding with management over what she regards as attempts to turn her >bark into a yip that would be more palatable to more listeners. She >has lamented the firings on-air, and 300 loyal listeners marched last >week demanding that the commercial-free and listener-supported >station be returned to its rightful owner--them. > >And therein the divide. Some of the 18 members of the national board >want centralized control of a network that would reach a broader >audience and rival National Public Radio in prestige. That was never >a goal when the board was thick with community activists from the >five local boards, who were committed to local programming >unavailable in the mainstream press. But national-board members are >now recruited from the business world instead of the protest lines, >and although they consider themselves progressives, their wiring is >different. > >"Pacifica has 800,000 listeners, and after 50 years of being on the >air, that's just not good enough," says board chair David Acosta, a >Houston C.P.A. Vice chairman Ken Ford, an engineer with the >conservative Housing Trade Association in Washington, says the >challenge is to honor the social-justice mission while Pacifica >grows. "But we are a corporation. It's nonprofit, but we have to >operate as a business." > >To Palo Alto, Calif., board member Tomas Moran, it's operating more >like a totalitarian government. Moran is among six dissenters who >insist they're being locked out. Matthew Lasar, a professor at the >University of California at Riverside who wrote a book about >Pacifica, says the longtime advocate for openness and democracy is >running itself "in a way that could be described as secrecy and fiat." > >The retooling comes after a consultant sniffed that Pacifica's impact >has gone from "insignificant to irrelevant." If they paid this guy >25[cents], they were robbed. What's irrelevant is the numbing prattle >of indistinguishable loudmouths who populate ratings-driven broadcast >media. > >Everything is numbers today. The weekend box office. The President's >approval ratings. The quarterly profits. For 50 years, there was one >place where numbers did not exist as a measure of success or as >validation of purpose. Pacifica broadcasting can be tedious at times, >with its tie-dyed version of truth and justice. But the voice is >indignant, probing and unapologetic, and in the age of megamedia >conglomerization, an alternative view is a necessity. > >And I say this as someone who went on WBAI last year knowing I'd be a >punching bag. I'd written a screed about misguided support for >convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal and was attacked on-air as a >lazy corporate-media hack. They were wrong, of course. But they were >damn good at it. > >END > >TIME partners > >Copyright � 2000 Time Inc. All rights reserved. >Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Clayton Reilly, sometime host (and lately "producer") of Wakeup Call on WBAI, was ranting and raving this morning about how there is an impossible series of splits within the ranks of staff and listeners. He called the staff (who is mostly volunteer activists) 'non-existent'. He constantly alluded to racist statements by 'enemies' of him and of a 'cabal' secretly organized to bash himself, Bessie Wash (sellout head of pacifica) and Utrice Leid (sellout scab station mgr. who locked out program director Bernard White and union shop steward Sharan Harper). His constant portrayal of the splits between station advocates leading to subsequent reasoning for LIQUIDATION OF THE STATION!!!!! this morning can only mean that Reilly is representing the corporate takeover people who've infiltrated the board and seek to turn Pacifica into the NPR/Kenny G Network. Tomorrow there will be a 'Report to the Listener' given by Leid and Bessie Wash. I think it'll be during the morning show, probably between 7:30 and 9am. Things don't sound good. I recommend people seek out BAI advocates and ask how they can contribute. There are several legal actions in the works over this illegal union-busting takeover at the station, as well as weekly protests. The station may be taken down at any time, as Reilly's hostile shutout of Mimi Rosenberg, a loud voice for free speech at BAI shows. Among other things. I'm going to attempt the websites from memory. Do something to help... www.savepacifica.net is one site, their are others linked to it. Paul >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Pacific article in Time >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:06:59 > > > > > >From: Nat Bender <nat@...> > >To: vivaohio@..., buell@..., rstrong@..., > >jchill512@... > >Subject: Pacific article in Time > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:39:33 -0500 > > > > WBAI Hits The BigTIME! > >Date: 01/22/2001 12:39:07 PM Eastern Standard Time > >From: efsutton@... (Eileen Sutton) > >Sender: worker-savewbai@... > >Reply-to: savewbai@... > >To: NYC-DAN@..., savewbai@... > > > >JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4 > >Time Magazine > > > >STEVE LOPEZ'S AMERICA/NEW YORK > >This Just In: We're Fired > >A hostile takeover rocks radio's voice of the left > >BY STEVE LOPEZ > > > >On election day, with a certain relative of his running for the U.S. > >Senate, the Commander in Chief surprised New York radio stations by > >calling with a genial get-out-the-vote message. But Clinton's > >goodwill wagon lost an axle when he called WBAI in Manhattan and was > >put on the air with Amy Goodman, host of a Pacifica Radio program > >called Democracy Now! > > > >Goodman, an award-winning rabble rouser whose show is carried by > >30-some stations, does not have a change-up. She only has fastballs, > >and she throws at the head. For 30 minutes she kept Clinton dancing > >and ducking, at one point accusing him of being responsible for the > >genocide of 5,000 Iraqi children monthly through U.S. sanctions. It > >was vintage Pacifica Radio, the hell-raising, corporate-bashing voice > >of the left for a half-century, with stations in Los Angeles, Houston > >and Washington, in addition to WBAI and the flagship KPFA in > >Berkeley, Calif. But that voice is now being muffled in a way that > >would embarrass the sandal-wearing founders of the nonprofit Pacifica > >Foundation, some of whom now stage their sit-ins in the next life. > > > >Dreaded capitalists have commandeered the ship, speaking the > >bottom-line language of Arbitron ratings and floating the idea of > >raking in millions by selling a station. They literally changed the > >locks and barred several employees from the building at WBAI last > >month, after doing the same thing two years ago at KPFA. The irony is > >richest at WBAI, where the program director and others were fired > >without warning on Dec. 22 in "the Christmas coup." So much for > >"Democracy Now!" > > > >"Many are calling it a political purge," says Goodman, who's been > >feuding with management over what she regards as attempts to turn her > >bark into a yip that would be more palatable to more listeners. She > >has lamented the firings on-air, and 300 loyal listeners marched last > >week demanding that the commercial-free and listener-supported > >station be returned to its rightful owner--them. > > > >And therein the divide. Some of the 18 members of the national board > >want centralized control of a network that would reach a broader > >audience and rival National Public Radio in prestige. That was never > >a goal when the board was thick with community activists from the > >five local boards, who were committed to local programming > >unavailable in the mainstream press. But national-board members are > >now recruited from the business world instead of the protest lines, > >and although they consider themselves progressives, their wiring is > >different. > > > >"Pacifica has 800,000 listeners, and after 50 years of being on the > >air, that's just not good enough," says board chair David Acosta, a > >Houston C.P.A. Vice chairman Ken Ford, an engineer with the > >conservative Housing Trade Association in Washington, says the > >challenge is to honor the social-justice mission while Pacifica > >grows. "But we are a corporation. It's nonprofit, but we have to > >operate as a business." > > > >To Palo Alto, Calif., board member Tomas Moran, it's operating more > >like a totalitarian government. Moran is among six dissenters who > >insist they're being locked out. Matthew Lasar, a professor at the > >University of California at Riverside who wrote a book about > >Pacifica, says the longtime advocate for openness and democracy is > >running itself "in a way that could be described as secrecy and fiat." > > > >The retooling comes after a consultant sniffed that Pacifica's impact > >has gone from "insignificant to irrelevant." If they paid this guy > >25[cents], they were robbed. What's irrelevant is the numbing prattle > >of indistinguishable loudmouths who populate ratings-driven broadcast > >media. > > > >Everything is numbers today. The weekend box office. The President's > >approval ratings. The quarterly profits. For 50 years, there was one > >place where numbers did not exist as a measure of success or as > >validation of purpose. Pacifica broadcasting can be tedious at times, > >with its tie-dyed version of truth and justice. But the voice is > >indignant, probing and unapologetic, and in the age of megamedia > >conglomerization, an alternative view is a necessity. > > > >And I say this as someone who went on WBAI last year knowing I'd be a > >punching bag. I'd written a screed about misguided support for > >convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal and was attacked on-air as a > >lazy corporate-media hack. They were wrong, of course. But they were > >damn good at it. > > > >END > > > >TIME partners > > > >Copyright � 2000 Time Inc. 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>Subject: Concerned NJ WBAI Listeners >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:24:23 EST > >NEXT MEETING OF CONCERNED NJ WBAI LISTENERS: > >SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 4 - 7 P.M. - ORIENTATION AT 3:30 P.M. > FIRST PRESBYTERIAN AND TRINITY CHURCH >111 IRVINGTON AVENUE >SOUTH ORANGE > >Dear Concerned NJ WBAI Listener - We are off to an encouraging start, with >33 >of us at the animated January 21 planning meeting. > >Milton Zisman reviewed Pacifica and Local Advisory Board history from 1977 >, >including when WBAI was off the air for several weeks. Up until a few >years >ago, the Pacifica National Board (PNB) consisted of 15 members, 10 of whom >were chosen by the 5 affiliate boards. Pacifica is the corporation which >owns all of the licenses. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) , >taxpayer-funded, which contributes between 15 to 20% of Pacifica's national >budget, ruled that delegates could no longer serve both on the Local >Advisory >Board (LAB) and the PNB. The LABs had the role of screening candidates for >station general manager and making recommendations to PNB, which were >virtually always accepted. The PNB's response was to abolish direct >representation, making the current PNB entirely self-selecting and >perpetuating. This further accelerated the dominance on the PNB of those >"looking to the 21st Century", seeking growth in classical corporate terms, >use of arbitron ratings, etc. > >BAI LAB member Andy Norris noted the increased importance of CPB advisors, >notably David Giovannoni, and the increased philosophical differences >between >the NY and Berkeley LABs and the majority on the PNB. He noted that the BAI >LAB consists of 15-20 members as well as one paid and one unpaid staff >member. They have a 3 year time limit. LAB member Madelyn Hoffman added >that >though the PNB has stripped the LABs of most of their power, they now want >to >go further and set up their own LABs. The LAB has been frustrated in its >failure to get financial accountability from PNB. > >Larry Romsted from Highland Park reported that from his attendance at a >recent LAB meeting, that the LAB is resistant to discussing having an >elected LAB, as was recently accomplished in Berkeley. He read the demands >of >the Local of the United Electrical Workers Union and asked that we consider >supporting them. > >Later it was pointed out that the LAB has been banned from meeting at 120 >Wall Street, since LAB meetings are open to the public and that listeners >and >the public are not permitted at the station. > >Three Lawsuits against PNB are underway by dissident PNB members, LABs and >listeners. Support forms were distributed. See >http://home.pon.net/wildrose/remove.htm > >Financial Support was discussed at length, with the pro's and cons of >withholding support, supporting through only friendly producers, setting up >an escrow acocunt, being among the topics . A straw poll revealed >widespread >support for the escrow approach, though Paul Kreisinger later pointed out >flaws in this approach. >Ursalla Ruttenberg, Outreach Chair for Concerned Friends of WBAI and a >station banee, was present as liaison with us. She welcomes the presence >of >one or more NJ groups. (Madelyn Hoffman reported that a group in >Bergen-Passaic had met once and could be the nucleus of a group in that >area.) Ursalla described events which preceded the December 22 coup. >Concerned Friends (CF) has a 2500 person database and is happy to share >that >with us. She noted that the fundraising strategy issue would be taken up >at >a meeting this Thursday, January 25 at 6:30 p.m. at Winston Unity >Auditorium,235 West 23rd Street, Manhattan, between 7th and 8th Avenues. >About 1/3 of those present expected to attend. She shared the following for >information: >Hotline - 800-825-0055; Eileen Sutton's listserve - 718-707-7189 and >savewbai@..., and also discussed other means of communication, >including info to producers, email, telephone, auto-calls. She urged >contacting members of the PNB, calling to station and producers, letters to >editors - 212-209-2901. Bob Bender will be the current contact with >Concerned >Friends > >$147 was collected, with $20 reimbursed to Ursalla for her costs. > >Outcomes - then and subsequent: > >Agenda Committee: Bella August and Madelyn Hoffman > >Communications Group, Internal and External: Paul Surovell, Fred Nguyen - >telephone tree; Lyn Garcia - Bergen and Passaic Counties. Fred will get the >database info from Ursalla. > >Strategy Committee: Following the meeting, Belvin Williams - >E.Belvin.Williams@..., 973-783-9358 and Howard Nelson, People's >Organization for Progress, howardnelson@... suggested >organizational planning. I am asking all those interested in this to >contact >them, and for them to co-chair such a group consisting of those who so >volunteer. . > >Site: Boe Meyerson and Larry Romsted secured the site to accommodate 150 >for > >Sunday, February 4, 4 - 7 p.m. Banned volunteer Ursalla and fired producer >Sharan Harper are expected to be with us. > >Bob Bender _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I concur with much of this post, but I think people need to examine the issue very closely b4 jumping to the conclusion that supporting BAI is a mistake. The corp. takeover people are not a monolith, suspending all progressive programming at the station. There are many producers who could be considered prog/revolutionary, even, who are still producing essential and unique programming that Pacifica would certainly nix, given the opportunity. Just because the main advocates of a free BAI have been sacked on the surface, doesn't mean that a progressive/rev. faction doesn't have any power to control programming. The management at Pacifica is portraying the upcoming fund-drive (if it happens) as crucial to the station, stating that the financial situation is deteriorating. This may be scare tactics or truth, but BAI had a record fundraiser last time. This time, the management may be looking to justify their moves with a lousy funddrive, spurred on by the disunity, uncertainty about the station. Let's not jump to conclusions though. Paul >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: njfo@egroups.com >To: njfo@egroups.com >Subject: [njfo] Fwd: Pacifica >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:02 > > > > > >From: Richard Strong <rstrong@...> > >To: nat@..., vivaohio@..., > >jchill512@..., efsutton@..., > >worker-savewbai@... > >Subject: Pacifica > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:55:18 -0500 (EST) > > > > > >In responce to the JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4 Time Magazine Article > >by STEVE LOPEZ > > > > > > Capitalist business is like a virus that devours everything in it's >path > >until everything is gone. It has no morals nor conscience. America eats > >it's > >own. > > Presant day capitalism makes Communism look angelic. Stalin is starting > >to > >look more and more like the ally he once was to the Western world. >America > >is now the "Evil Empire". > > The writer of the article has obviously never read any of the >transcripts > >from Mumia's trial or his writ of habeous corpus. If a man kills a cop > >which has not been proven in Mumia's case or Lenard Peltiers for that > >he is an evil cop-killer punishable by > >government sponsored death and death alone. Damn a fair trial. > >When a cop or cops assasinates innocent,unarmed,blackmen(Amadou Diallo > >etc.) > >they walk away free men. > > George "Dubya" Bush said he would unite the people of this country and >he > >probably will whether you like it or not. He will probably do it the same > >way > >his father did. Start a war. That way he can rattle the sabers and anyone > >who disagrees will of course be called unpatriotic. They can't be called > >"commies". That would be a compliment. > > Watch out! Fidel is next! > > Unfortunately financilly supporting the station on the upcoming fund > >drive > >would appear to be a moot point. The station was "sold out" to coorperate > >America the moment the locks were changed. > > > > > > > > > > > >R.D. Strong > >Rutgers University > >NBCS-Hill Center Operations > >e-mail : rstrong@... > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
these are recent too... > "The California crunch really is the result of not enough >power-generating >plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating >plants."-Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001 > >"I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously. >But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with >success as opposed to failure."-Interview with the Associated Press, Jan. >18, 2001 (Thanks to M. Bateman.) > >"If he's-the inference is that somehow he thinks slavery is a-is a noble >institution I would-I would strongly reject that assumption-that John >Ashcroft is a open-minded, inclusive person."-NBC Nightly News With Tom >Brokaw, Jan. 14, 2001 > >"She's just trying to make sure Anthony gets a good meal-Antonio."-On Laura >Bush inviting Justice Antonin Scalia to dinner at the White House. NBC >Nightly News With Tom Brokaw, Jan. 14, 2001 > >"I want it to be said that the Bush administration was a results-oriented >administration, because I believe the results of focusing our attention and >energy on teaching children to read and having an education system that's >responsive to the child and to the parents, as opposed to mired in a system >that refuses to change, will make America what we want it to be-a literate >country and a hopefuller country."-Washington, D.C., Jan. 11, 2001 > >"I would have to ask the questioner. I haven't had a chance to ask the >questioners the question they've been questioning. On the other hand, I >firmly believe she'll be a fine secretary of labor. And I've got confidence >in Linda Chavez. She is a-she'll bring an interesting perspective to the >Labor Department."-Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001 > >"I do remain confident in Linda. She'll make a fine labor secretary. From >what I've read in the press accounts, she's perfectly qualified."-Austin, >Texas, Jan. 8, 2001 > >"I mean, these good folks are revolutionizing how businesses conduct their >business. And, like them, I am very optimistic about our position in the >world and about its influence on the United States. We're concerned about >the short-term economic news, but long-term I'm optimistic. And so, I hope >investors, you know-secondly, I hope investors hold investments for periods >of time-that I've always found the best investments are those that you salt >away based on economics."-Austin, Texas, Jan. 4, 2001 > >"The person who runs FEMA is someone who must have the trust of the >president. Because the person who runs FEMA is the first voice, often >times, >of someone whose life has been turned upside down hears from."-Austin, >Texas, Jan. 4, 2001 > >"She is a member of a labor union at one point."-Announcing his nomination >of Linda Chavez as secretary of labor. Austin, Texas, Jan. 2, 2001 > >"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature >because >it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."-Austin, Texas, Dec. >20, 2000 > >"I also have picked a secretary for Housing and Human Development. Mel >Martinez from the state of Florida."-Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000 > >"Let me put it to you this way, I am not a revengeful person."- Interview >with Time magazine in the Dec. 25, 2000, issue. > >"I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the >legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the >difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute >them."-Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2000 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail.
Why? President-Select 'Shrub' has made it very clear that he intends to be the Anti-Democracy Heir to the Throne~ appointing Ashcroft, a Dixie-Flag waving segregationist & friend Bob Jones to take charge of enforcing Civil Rights laws? No thanks. More Bushims to come. Matthew >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:55:13 EST > > > >...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail. > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
FYI >Hi, >This email goes out to many people, hoping everything >is fine in >your neck of the woods. > >I am wondering if any of you have a camera >(point-and-shoot or >manual-style 35 mm or old medium format) or darkroom >equipment >(enlarger, trays, tongs or other supplies) that you >dont use anymore >and would like to donate to a New Brunswick-based >photography >project. > > >I am excited to say that the Robert Wood Johnson >Foundation (the >philanthropic arm of the J&J healthcare empire) has >granted >the Chai Project and me a nice-sized grant to create >photodocumentary >work >with IV-drug using/persons living with aids in New >Brunswick. For those >of >you who dont know, Chai Project has been for at least >five years >providing >non-judgmental help and services to these >local residents, including, until a couple of years >ago, a >clean-needle exchange program. They dont do that >anymore, and >instead have expanded and legalized their operations. > >This project, which is tentatively called PhotoVoices >New Brunswick >(I know, its a bit lackluster) borrows from and is >similar to a >photography-based documentary photography methodology >developed by >an educator named Caroline Wang. The undergirding idea >is this: >largely poor and criminalized IV drug user populations >are often >spoken for and about, but dont often speak for >themselves and get >heard by the rest of the public. Chai Project >participants (often >called clients - many are women, >unemployed/underemployed, >city-based, among the most at-risk in terms of >economics and >health), with the help of Rutgers interns, >writer/instructors, Chai >Project personnel, photographer/instructors and >volunteers, will >develop a body of photographic and written/recorded >language that >represents the Chai participants particular views >regarding some of >the following aspects of their lives: drug use, access >to health >care, lifestyle, social concerns, personal narratives, >relations to >social and legal bureaucracies, family, etc. >Photography will be >used as a medium of communication, and writing and >testimony as >guides for reading the photographs in the ways the >photographers >want them to be read. A website will also be created >for the work. > >The Photovoice project will begin making pictures in >February and >will build a darkoom with full processing and printing >capabilities. >We have already bought some equipment, but do not yet >have enough to >keep most people busy. If you can help with your old >camera >equipment, or in some other way, then email or call >me up. Pass >this on to anyone who might help. > >thanks, >Mike Crockford >732-829-3006 cell >photochainb@... > >Chai Project's number is 732 247 7015, but regarding >this project, >its better to call me first. They're BUSY! >(Chai Project has 501c3 status, so that any kind of >donation can be >deducted at tax-time. perhaps even real estate space. >I have to >check on that.) > >(additional note: Unfortunately, I made a big mistake >in writing my >part of the grant proposal -- I didnt factor in the >need for a >Darkroom Space. We are looking for a downtown-area >storefront that >would serve us as both studio and gallery space for >the next six to >eight months. Hopefully that will work out. I think >it will be >great to have a publicly accessible downtown space for >work to be >seen as it develops, in its various emphases and >forms, and also as >a more completed work near the end of the year. If >anyone has some >freindly influence with a New Brunswick property >owner, let Chai >Project or me know.) > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Please do not misunderstand . I'm not saying do not support the station financially. By all means please do that if you think it will help. That decision should be left up the individual(s). All I'm implying is that the "fix" is already in. This "Christmas Coup" went to smoothly to not have been planned well in advance. Even if the fund raiser is very successful, WBAI will not be the WBAI we knew. It is becoming NPR. Plus the success will still not excuse the appalling treatment of the people, both paid and unpaid, who were fired and banned without due process to my knowledge. As I mentioned earlier, it appears they never saw it coming. Not that the station should follow the procedures of court,it is not a court room, but some common decentcy should have been used on people who were in many cases long time dedicated employees and volunteers who through their selfless hard work and dedication made the very day to day exisitance of the station possible. They have been disgarded, in my opinion,like 'worn out shoes'.Well those 'shoes' are still good and in great shape but apparently somebody didn't care for the 'style',if you catch my drift. In closing I say "Yes, support the station, but as the saying goes,'You may not get what you paid for, but you will most certainly pay for what you get.' I just personnally want my moneys worth and I want what I pay for. I paid for WBAI not WBAI-NPR. It appears that if the fundraiser is successful you will get WBAI-NPR and if it is not you will still get WBAI-NPR. How's that for "Democracy Now!" Some freedom of choice huh? I just hope the progressives/revolutionaries who are still on the air can continue their great work,but judging by what has happened their bright light of truth is perilously in danger of being snuffed. R.D. Strong Rutgers University NBCS-Hill Center Operations e-mail : rstrong@... On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Paul McGee wrote: > I concur with much of this post, but I think people need to examine the > issue very closely b4 jumping to the conclusion that supporting BAI is a > mistake. The corp. takeover people are not a monolith, suspending all > progressive programming at the station. There are many producers who could > be considered prog/revolutionary, even, who are still producing essential > and unique programming that Pacifica would certainly nix, given the > opportunity. Just because the main advocates of a free BAI have been sacked > on the surface, doesn't mean that a progressive/rev. faction doesn't have > any power to control programming. > > The management at Pacifica is portraying the upcoming fund-drive (if it > happens) as crucial to the station, stating that the financial situation is > deteriorating. This may be scare tactics or truth, but BAI had a record > fundraiser last time. This time, the management may be looking to justify > their moves with a lousy funddrive, spurred on by the disunity, uncertainty > about the station. > > Let's not jump to conclusions though. Paul > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: njfo@egroups.com > >To: njfo@egroups.com > >Subject: [njfo] Fwd: Pacifica > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:02 > > > > > > > > > > >From: Richard Strong <rstrong@...> > > >To: nat@..., vivaohio@..., > > >jchill512@..., efsutton@..., > > >worker-savewbai@... > > >Subject: Pacifica > > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:55:18 -0500 (EST) > > > > > > > > >In responce to the JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4 Time Magazine Article > > >by STEVE LOPEZ > > > > > > > > > Capitalist business is like a virus that devours everything in it's > >path > > >until everything is gone. It has no morals nor conscience. America eats > > >it's > > >own. > > > Presant day capitalism makes Communism look angelic. Stalin is starting > > >to > > >look more and more like the ally he once was to the Western world. > >America > > >is now the "Evil Empire". > > > The writer of the article has obviously never read any of the > >transcripts > > >from Mumia's trial or his writ of habeous corpus. If a man kills a cop > > >which has not been proven in Mumia's case or Lenard Peltiers for that > > >he is an evil cop-killer punishable by > > >government sponsored death and death alone. Damn a fair trial. > > >When a cop or cops assasinates innocent,unarmed,blackmen(Amadou Diallo > > >etc.) > > >they walk away free men. > > > George "Dubya" Bush said he would unite the people of this country and > >he > > >probably will whether you like it or not. He will probably do it the same > > >way > > >his father did. Start a war. That way he can rattle the sabers and anyone > > >who disagrees will of course be called unpatriotic. They can't be called > > >"commies". That would be a compliment. > > > Watch out! Fidel is next! > > > Unfortunately financilly supporting the station on the upcoming fund > > >drive > > >would appear to be a moot point. The station was "sold out" to coorperate > > >America the moment the locks were changed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >R.D. Strong > > >Rutgers University > > >NBCS-Hill Center Operations > > >e-mail : rstrong@... > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >
frank, i disagree with you. it is not 'misguided'. it's called the free expression of ideas. in fact, it's called "free speech", which i will defend no matter who is in charge. I don't care if this is a coalition egroup or not. i maintain my right to express my views on the state of our nation, especially since the national picture directly pertains to our local struggles (the campaign). i'm sorry if you disagree. in fact, i'm sorry that you choose to ally yourself with bush and co., since they represent the most undemocratic, most backward, racist, and just hateful elements of our society. if you look to defend the spectacle of our national presidential elections, you stand in sharp contradiction with the goal of the people's campaign. post your views, frank, if you feel you disagree. but don't try to contain others. i won't stand for it. kristina >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:55:13 EST > > > >...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, FBRIGHT123@a... wrote: > > > ...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail. Well, not necessarily. Just to begin with an obvious fact: why couldn't a Republican have posted that very same list of G.W. Bush quotes? It doesn't even necessarily constitute an attack on Republicans as a whole. My God, if I were a Republican ... no, excuse me, being that I'm a Republican ... I would be rather annoyed that my party anointed Bush as its candidate. Had it been McCain and not Bush, there would have never been a 'close election'; Gore would've been crushed. Instead of someone who's qualified to be President, the Republican Party chose a man with not even one full term of experience as the Governor of a state with a weak executive branch. There's no reason on principle why a criticism of Bush, much less mockery of the man, should be taken as an attack on Republicans per se. Besides, you yourself would be the first to admit that distinction can and should be drawn between being loyal to the Republican Party on a local level, and being loyal to the national organization or federal-level politicians. Jeremy
Coalitions don't need messages that attack each other. It isn't censorship as it is misguided to apply attacks and expect productive work from the same people.
Frank- Who's attacking you? George W. Bush is opposed to democracy. Therefore, he and his principles are open to attack, criticism, mocking, organizing against, opposing, hating, trashing, stepping on, covering with pee and poo, grinning at, flipping-the-bird, and generally exposing for its anti-democratic-ness. He is an illigitamate president. Unfortunately, people have to live with the adverse affects of his illigitamacy...therefore, you might have to live with people being upset about it and acting to undo the undoer. >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:37:06 EST > > > >Coalitions don't need messages that attack each other. It isn't censorship >as >it is misguided to apply attacks and expect productive work from the same >people. > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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I find it highly curious that you perceive an attack on George Bush as a personal attack upon yourself. >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:37:06 EST > > > >Coalitions don't need messages that attack each other. It isn't censorship >as >it is misguided to apply attacks and expect productive work from the same >people. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Attacking Bush isolates a politcal party that is a part of this coalition. It is misguided to expect a workable coalition whenone group attacks another. It has been discussed, and Keith brought this up at the Dec 2nd General Meeting, that a forum or way is needed to bring forth these discussions so that they are seen it a context that everyone feels comfortable to listen and learn new ideas. Perhaps a proactive format can be discussed now on the e-groups?
To all who doubt the value of the label "People's", here's a tooty fer ya': Christie Whitman, thank god she's leaving our state, started out her last budget address with the following passage: "Today, we meet in the people's house. This is the people's budget. this is a budget that will help us continue to make New Jersey a better place...." Any Questions? I guess it's okay for Republicans to front like they're for the people. Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Frank, ever heard of Charles Murray? This is one reason why it's open season on Bush & Co...Matt >From: ARTISTpres@... >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: CIA to Head Bush Religion Initiative by R Lederman >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:10:46 EST > > PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY! >CIA Think Tank to Head Bush Religion Initiative > >The NY Times article below describes the two men Bush is >putting in charge of his religion plan, John J. DiIulio Jr. and >Stephen Goldsmith. Both men are senior fellows of the CIA's >Manhattan Institute and are colleagues of Charles Murray, author >of the classic text of scientific racism, The Bell Curve. Most of >Bush's advisors are also associated with the Bell Curve. As just >one of many examples, Murray was a consultant on Tommy >Thompsons' Wisconsin Welfare Reform program, which Bush >will make the national model > >Following the Times article you will find quotes from the NY >Times and the Manhattan Institute's own website to substantiate >the CIA origin of the Manhattan Institute, its influence on GW >Bush and its very close decade-long association with Charles >Murray, who wrote The Bell Curve while a research fellow at >The Manhattan Institute. > >Whether you are a fundamentalist Christian, an Orthodox Jew, a >devout Muslim or an atheist you might question what part the >CIA rightfully has in a multi-billion dollar "religion initiative" or >in any domestic US policy decisions. The best known modern >example of government sponsored religion-based initiatives is >Nazi Germany. > >Robert Lederman >artistpres@... >For numerous detailed articles expanding on the connection >between GW Bush, the CIA and former Nazis see: >http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/ > >NY Times January 29, 2001 >New Bush Office Seeks Closer Ties to Church Groups >By FRANK BRUNI and LAURIE GOODSTEIN > >WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 — President Bush has selected a >University of Pennsylvania professor of political science to head >the first federal office intended to promote the integration of >religious groups into federally financed social services, several >Bush advisers said today. > >The advisers said the opening of the office and the appointment >of John J. DiIulio Jr. to fill it would almost certainly be >announced at a White House event on Monday, and they >acknowledged that it would draw heated opposition from >organizations and religious groups that advocate a strict >separation of church and state. > >But the encouragement and government financing of faith-based >programs was a signature campaign issue for Mr. Bush, who has >said he reads the Bible every day. And the decision to entrust the >new federal office in charge of that effort to Mr. DiIulio, a >widely published expert on juvenile crime with impressive >academic credentials, is an example of the political caution with >which the Bush administration will proceed. > >The choice of Mr. DiIulio, in fact, is only one of several ways in >which Mr. Bush and his aides are trying to blunt any impression >that what the president is doing amounts to an evangelical >endeavor. > >"John is a social scientist who believes in empirical evidence," >said one Bush adviser, stressing Mr. DiIulio's focus on provable >results from faith-based social programs that address problems >like substance abuse, youth violence and teenage pregnancy. The >adviser also emphasized that Mr. DiIulio does not see faith-based >programs "as a panacea," but rather as one arrow in a quiver with >plenty of others. > >In addition to Mr. DiIulio, the other central figure in the effort is >Stephen Goldsmith, the former mayor of Indianapolis who was >the chief domestic policy adviser for Mr. Bush's presidential >campaign. > >Several Bush advisers said Mr. Goldsmith would be the chairman >of a new national advisory board whose work will complement >that of the new federal office. Mr. Goldsmith will also serve as >an official adviser to Mr. Bush on the issue. > >Mr. Bush and his aides do not want the proposals related to >faith-based programs that they unveil to seem too driven by >religion. Indeed, the president's goal is to find new ways for the >federal government to encourage private charities — including >but not limited to religious groups — to provide more social >services. > >To that end, the title of the new federal office will allude not just >to faith-based programs but also to community initiatives, >although several advisers said the order in which the words >"faith" and "community" would be placed was under debate. > >Additionally, Mr. Bush has invited not only leaders of >faith-based groups but also the heads of other not-for-profit >organizations to meet on Monday morning at the White House to >kick off a week of events intended to describe and promote the >president's vision. > >The guest list, according to one of the people on it, includes the >Rev. Stephen E. Burger, executive director of the Association of >Gospel Rescue Missions; Sara E. Meléndez, president and chief >executive officer of Independent Sector, a coalition of nonprofit >organizations and foundations; and Millard Fuller, founder and >president of Habitat for Humanity International, the ecumenical >house-building group. > >"It is about faith-based institutions, but it's also about more than >that," said another Bush adviser, referring to Mr. Bush's plan to >encourage private groups to administer more of the kinds of local >programs often provided by government. > >A more thorough integration of faith-based and other >not-for-profit groups into federally financed social services is a >cornerstone of compassionate conservatism, a political >philosophy with which Mr. Bush has strongly identified himself. > >Compassionate conservatism holds that while the government >should limit the scope of the social services it provides, it should >take an active role as a catalyst and source of financing for work >done by neighborhood and religious groups. > >Mr. Bush has said some of the groups with the best results for >rehabilitating prisoners or fighting drug abuse are ones that take >religious and spiritual approaches. He has also said the >government should not hesitate to give money to these groups, as >long as secular groups that provide similar services are also >available. > >There are signs that these initiatives may elicit bipartisan >support. This morning, on the ABC News program "This Week," >Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri, the House >minority leader, signaled interest in Mr. Bush's approach. > >The Bush administration will roll out these initiatives with the >utmost care, under the guidance of Mr. DiIulio, who is Catholic, >and Mr. Goldsmith, who is Jewish. > >Although both are well liked by religious conservatives, neither >is an ideological lightning rod like Marvin Olasky, another >proponent of faith- based programs and compassionate >conservatism. Mr. Olasky was with Mr. Goldsmith and Mr. >DiIulio at a long meeting with Mr. Bush in Austin, Tex., nearly >two years ago. > >"It's not just that we're paying attention to the politics of it," one >of the Bush advisers said. "We're paying attention to the >pragmatics of it. I think we're doing it right, and I think we're >going to be careful about it." > >Mr. DiIulio's résumé makes him seem like a personification of >Mr. Bush's attempts to retain the support of religious >conservatives while also courting moderates and building a broad >base of support. > >He is a fellow at both the Manhattan Institute, which is a >conservative think tank, and the Brookings Institute, which is >not. In a two-month period in the summer of 1999, he wrote >major articles for The Weekly Standard, a conservative >publication, and for The New Democrat, a moderate one. He >identifies himself as a new Democrat. > >Mr. DiIulio has also done extensive work with black pastors in >urban areas, and one of the Bush administration's hopes is that >its advocacy of faith-based programs will be a bridge to black >ministers and win some support with the Congressional Black >Caucus. > >Mr. Bush garnered the support of about 9 percent of black voters >in the presidential election and has been reaching out >aggressively to African- Americans ever since. This morning, he, >his wife, Laura, and his parents attended a Methodist church here >with a predominantly black congregation. > >For years, Mr. DiIulio, who taught at Princeton before the >University of Pennsylvania, was known more for his work on >criminal justice issues than on his interest in faith-based >programs. He was among the voices loudly advocating increased >prison construction in the early 1990's and wrote a 1996 book >about the war against crime, "Body Count," with John P. Walters >and William J. Bennett, the former education secretary and drug >czar. > >Mr. Goldsmith, a former prosecutor, was a two-term mayor in >Indianapolis who privatized everything from golf course >construction to sewage treatment and showed an interest in >revitalizing long-neglected inner-city neighborhoods. Late in his >second term, he started the Front Porch Alliance, a group that >acted as a liaison between religious congregations — mostly >urban African-American churches — and government. > >For his work with churches, Mr. Goldsmith, a Republican, was >lauded by many evangelical Christian leaders. But some Jewish >leaders said they were nervous about an approach that redirects >tax dollars to churches. > >"There's a lot of respect for Stephen Goldsmith," said Rabbi >David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of >Reform Judaism. "Many in the Jewish community know him and >respect him, but any time you have a formal government >endorsement of religion that this faith-based office conveys, that >takes us down a path that too often in our history has turned out >to be disastrous for religious freedom and religious tolerance." > >NY Times Monday, May 12, 1997 >Turning Intellect Into Influence Promoting Its Ideas, the >Manhattan Institute Has Nudged New York Rightward >"Currently housed in an unprepossessing warren on the second >floor of a building near Grand Central Terminal, the institute >was founded as a free-market education and research >organization by William Casey, who then went off to head the >Central Intelligence Agency in the Reagan Administration." > >NY Times Monday, May 12, 1997 Manhattan Institute Has >Nudged New York Rightward >"...the institute was founded as a free-market education and >research organization by William Casey, who then went off to >head the Central Intelligence Agency in the Reagan >Administration." > >NY Times June 12, 2000 Bush Culls Campaign Theme From >Conservative Thinkers “Gov. George W. Bush has said his >political views have been shaped by the work of Myron Magnet >of the Manhattan Institute.” > >From the MI website: Books That Influenced Gov. George W. >Bush Myron Magnet's The Dream and the Nightmare: "Referring >to this book, Gov. Bush has said, other than the Bible, that it was >the most important book he had read..." > > "Education and Welfare: Meeting the Challenge >A Message from CCI Chairman, Mayor Stephen Goldsmith >[CCI is a division of Manhattan Institute] >America is in the midst of an urban renaissance...CCI’s April >conference “Next Steps in Welfare Reform” highlighted just how >far we’ve come. The conference brought together public officials >like Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson and scholars like >Dr. Charles Murray to discuss how governments and private >groups have reduced dependency and increased >self-sufficiency...Fifteen years after the Manhattan Institute >published Charles Murray’s landmark study of American welfare >policy, Losing Ground, the presentations showed that ideas once >seen as radical now form the mainstream of the welfare debate." > >[Among the panelists alongside Murray and Goldsmith was >Jason Turner, former head of Wisconsin's welfare program. >Turner later became infamous as head of NYC's abusive workfare >system after quoting the motto over the gates of Auschwitz - >"Arbeit Macht Frei - work shall make you free" [ see: NY Times >6/27/98]. > >"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the >unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can >begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call >it." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1 > > "Secular schools can never be tolerated because >such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral >instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; >consequently, all character training and religion must be >derived from faith . . . we need believing people." [Adolf >Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations >leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]< > >"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with >social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The >most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a >religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want >to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man >who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their >more rebellious members." -From Margaret Sanger's 12/19/39 >letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, Milton, Massachusetts. Original >source: Sophia Smith Collection, Smith College, North >Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in Linda Gordon's >Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth >Control in America, Grossman Publishers, 1976. Also see >Sanger's Birth Control Review >http://www.hli.org/issues/pp/bcreview/index.html > >From an announcement on the MI website >http://www.manhattan-institute.org/ >Center for Civic Innovation Welfare Conference Held at the >Manhattan Institute Topic: “Next Steps in Welfare Reform.” >Participants: [a partial list] >Charles Murray (Author of Losing Ground; American >Enterprise Institute), Jason Turner (Commissioner, NYC >Human Resources Administration) April 14, 1999 New York, >New York< > > >Village Voice 8/8/2000 Uncle Shrub's Cabin >"Absent in the sticky Philadelphia heat was the drumbeat of the >fire-breathing, nay-saying Christian Right. In its place, singing >the praises of the Jesus-influenced candidate and following a >script laid out by the Manhattan Institute...the social scientists >from the Manhattan Institute rolled out their charts and >reported that kids who go to church in poor neighborhoods do >fewer drugs and thus, churches, mosques, and synagogues >"should be supported as uniquely qualified agencies of social >control that matter a great deal in the lives of adolescents in >America's most disorganized and impoverished >communities."< > >Manhattan Institute >http://www.manhattan-institute.org/ > >Bell Curve >http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/049.html >http://www.fair.org/extra/9501/bell.html > http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html > >Robert Lederman >For articles about Bush, West Nile Virus, >Mayor Giuliani, The Manhattan Institute and Eugenics see: >http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: Nat Bender <nat@...> >To: vivaohio@..., buell@..., strong@..., >jchill512@... >CC: rbender65@... >Subject: meeting Sunday >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:33:54 -0500 > >Please forward as appropriate. > >In Solidarity, Nat/ > >Immediate Issue > >Contact: Bob Bender, Organizer - 908-755-5846 > >WBAI LISTENERS ORGANIZING IN NEW JERSEY; SOUTH ORANGE MEETING FEBRUARY 4 > >New Jerseyans concerned about free speech radio are invited to a public >meeting on Sunday, February 4, 3:30 p.m. at the First Presbyterian and >Trinity Church, 111 Irvington Avenue at South Orange Avenue between >Valley Road and Prospect Street, South Orange.. > >New Jersey listeners to Pacifica radio station WBAI, 99.5 F.M., are >mobilizing out of concern for the continuation of Free Speech radio. >The New York station , described as "initially based on a 'lack of >corporate control and its dedication to peace' and representing 'grass >roots, alternative broadcasting'" and which reaches Northern, Central >and Western New Jersey is a component of the National Pacifica >Corporation, a non-profit California corporation which also owns the >licenses of stations in Berkeley, Houston, Los Angeles, Washington, >D.C. There have been on-going tensions between, on the one hand, local >listeners, Local Advisory Boards, and some staff members and producers >and the national Pacifica board and staff. These culminated in a >"Christmas Coup" when, on December 22 , national Pacifica Director >Bessie Wash fired 10 year WBAI General Manager Valerie van Isler, >Program Director Bernard White, also host of the popular morning Wake-up >Call, and Wake-up Call producer Sharan Harper, and installed as Interim >General Manager Utrice Leid, former afternoon talk-show host. Various >volunteers were banned from the station. The station's Local Advisory >Board was prohibited from meeting at the station since its meetings were >open to the public. > >The Pacifica Foundation was organized in 1946 by a group of pacifists >and conscientious objectors. Current critics say that the national >board is weakening local control of the stations, and speculate that it >is an effort either to broaden the station's audiences by providing more >mainstream programming or to sell the frequencies, which might, for >WBAI, fetch $150 - $200 million. Subsequent to the December 22 >takeover, complete with security guards and changed locks in the middle >of the night, there have been vigils and several demonstrations. When >the Local Advisory Board sought to meet, they were rebuffed, resulting >in the arrest of 9, including 2 LAB members. Protesters have also >picketed the law office of Epstein Becker and Green, whose partner John >Murdock is among the controlling group on the Pacifica Board and is >re-writing their bylaws. Separate lawsuits filed on behalf of >listeners, local advisory board, and minority Pacifica Board members >challenging aspects of the Pacifica structure and operation are working >their way through the California courts. Similar Pacifica initatives at >the Berkeley station were mostly rebuffed by popular demonstrations >estimated as up to 15000. > >The conflict has gained national attention, with articles in the New >York Times, Newsday, Newsweek, and The Nation magazine. > >Interim General Manager Leid has imposed a gag rule forbidding on-air >discussion of the conflict. She also attributed the origin of the >station's problems to Polk prize-winning reporter Amy Goodman, who hosts >Democracy Now, the Exception to the Rulers every weekday from 9 - 10 >a.m. > >The New York-based Concerned Friends of WBAI, has called for the >participation of WBAI's staff and Local Advisory Board in the management >of WBAI, the immediate reinstatement of all fired staff, lifting of bans >and the gagging of producers, the reopening of the WBAI staff >collective bargaining unit to unpaid as well as paid staff , support of >the current lawsuits against the Pacifica National Board, establishment >of local election procedures for the ongoing selection of Local Advisory >Board members, and returning to founder Lewis Hill's original Pacifica >mission. > >Information can be found at http://www.wbai.net/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Bush announced yesterday that he has created a national office devoted to breaking down barriers that inhibit federal contracting with faith based organizations... (see today and yesterday's NY Times) this is terrifying for anyone interested in maintaining a safe distance between church and state (reshaping america in the white bible belt image...) >Bush's Christian guru aims to reshape America >DOUG SAUNDERS > >Saturday, January 13, 2001 > >AUSTIN -- Marvin Olasky won't be in Washington next Saturday when George W. >Bush becomes president, taking the oath of office on a Bible used by his >father at his inauguration and also used at the nation's first presidential >inauguration of George Washington in 1789. > >Mr. Olasky isn't one for big parties and hoopla. But the writings of the >little-known Texas professor -- ideas that would break down the traditional >barriers between church and state -- will be on the lips of many members of >the new Republican ascendancy, including its leader. > >The phrase "compassionate conservatism" tripped off Mr. Bush's lips >hundreds of times during the campaign. > >It sounded, to most observers, like something aimed at appeasing moderate >voters. > >But to fundamentalist Christian conservatives, it signified the beginning >of a radical public-policy experiment, one that is neither glib nor >moderate. > >The phrase was coined by Mr. Olasky, a slight, tweedy man who teaches >journalism at the University of Texas and has become one of Mr. Bush's most >influential intellectual advisers. > >He did not hold an official position in Mr. Bush's Texas administration and >that won't change as the former governor moves to the White House. > >But Mr. Bush is preparing to make the professor's ideas a central part of >his government. > >In short, compassionate conservatism is a taxpayer-funded mission to allow >religious groups to provide most government social programs, allowing them >to operate homeless shelters, drug-treatment programs, >pregnancy-counselling services, prisons and unemployment offices -- even if >their mission is to convert their clients to religious faith. > >To opponents who charge that this will set social programs back a century, >Mr. Olasky pleads guilty. This, he says, is exactly the point. > >"Historically, what we've found is the most useful kind of poverty-fighting >is spiritual," he said in an interview yesterday at his home in the hilly >suburbs of Austin. "If I've been any use in this process, it's [been by] >bringing up some history and showing how in this country we knew how to >fight poverty, through compassion that's challenging and personal and >spiritual. And we forgot that in the 20th century." > >Mr. Olasky, like Mr. Bush, is a fundamentalist born-again Christian. The >two have shared ideas since 1993, shortly before Mr. Bush was elected >governor. >Their last meeting was just last month. > >Mr. Olasky's book, Compassionate Conservatism, published last year, >contains a laudatory introduction by the President-elect and a reprint of a >campaign speech in which Mr. Bush promised to bring religious groups into >the >government fold. > >"In every instance where my administration sees a responsibility to help >people, we will look first to faith-based organizations, charities and >community groups that have shown their ability to save and change lives," >Mr. Bush said, adding that the greatest hope for the poor is not found in >"reform" but in "redemption." In other words, religious belief. > >In recent days, Mr. Bush has created an Office of Faith-Based Programs. It >likely will be headed by Stephen Goldsmith, a former Republican mayor of >Indianapolis who allowed religious groups to offer many of the city's >social services. Mr. Bush has promised to expand the scope of a 1996 law >that >allows people to redirect tax dollars to private charities and religious >groups. He has stressed that those programs will also be offered by >non-religious organizations. > >Mr. Olasky and his followers believe that poverty is not caused by a lack >of money, but by a lack of moral values on behalf of the poor. As such, >they >see welfare as a poor alternative to religion. > >"When I've gone around and talked to guys who've been homeless for a long >time or are alcoholics or addicts, when they do come out of it, nine times >out of 10, in my experience, it's a religious transformation," Mr. Olasky >said. "When you're thinking about helping the people in the greatest need, >then it doesn't happen except through a type of religious transformation." > >Many Republicans and religious conservatives believe that the Office of >Faith-Based Programs should be just the beginning. Jesse Helms, the >Republican chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, said this >week that foreign aid should be placed under the care of religious >organizations. > >All of this has raised the ire of freedom-of-expression groups and >constitutional scholars, who point out that the United States was founded >on the notion of a resolutely secular state. It is one of the few major >Western nations, along with France, whose Constitution does not have a >theological basis (mention of God in the Pledge of Allegiance and the In >God We Trust slogan on currency were added just decades ago to >differentiate the United States from Communist countries.) > >"This is on its face a kind of constitutional crisis. The merger of church >and state in the White House represents a terrible reversal of the >country's principles," said Barry Lynn, head of the Washington advocacy >group >Americans United for Separation of Church and State. > >The U.S. Constitution's First Amendment, he notes, contains the phrase >"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or >prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and the Supreme Court has >interpreted this to mean that governments cannot direct funds to religious >groups. > >But Mr. Olasky and his followers believe separation of church and state is >based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution. In his books, he offers a >rereading of U.S. history in which such luminaries as Thomas Jefferson and >James Madison are replaced by more spiritually minded early Americans. > >"The government was meant to be secular in the sense of not preferring any >religion. That's what the First Amendment was all about," Mr. Olasky said >yesterday. "The founders would have seen what we've done to the public >square not as neutrality, but as nakedness." > >Mr. Olasky has devoted his life to extremes. Raised in the Jewish faith, >his political views became increasingly radical and isolated at university. >He >joined the Communist Party in the early 1970s, when even members of the >extreme left had rejected Moscow-style leadership. He toured the Soviet >Union and became an agitator on the University of Michigan campus, until a >second, equally dramatic transformation occurred, shortly after he married >his second wife, Susan Northway. > >"We asked ourselves which denomination represented the extreme opposite of >the hard-left," Ms. Northway said in a 1999 interview. "Then we looked in >the phone book and found the Conservative Baptist Church. By the end of >that summer of '76, we had come to Christ." > >In 1985, Mr. Olasky founded a weekly newsmagazine, World, which reviews >events from a rigidly biblical perspective (he claims it is now the >fourth-largest newsmagazine in the country). He created a new Presbyterian >church suited to his views. > >A decade later, his book, The Tragedy of American Compassion, which >introduced the concept of compassionate conservatism, got him noticed in >Washington. > >When Newt Gingrich led the Republican takeover of the House of >Representatives in 1994, he sent a copy of the book to every congressman. >It was eagerly read by George W. Bush, who had converted to fundamentalist >Christianity in the 1980s in an effort to end his drinking problems. > >During his tenure as Texas governor, Mr. Bush became the first state leader >to allow proselytizing Christian organizations to offer state-funded social >programs, including a ministry-run prison program. > >Mr. Olasky and Mr. Bush appear to have met at an opportune moment, when >devoutly religious citizens -- almost half of all Americans believe that >the Bible is literally true -- felt profoundly alienated from their >government. > >Throughout his election campaign, Mr. Bush made outspoken appeals to >disenfranchised Christians. His Democratic opponent, Al Gore, is also a >fundamentalist Christian and made equally frequent mentions of God and >Jesus Christ on the stump, but Mr. Bush peppered his speeches with phrases, >such as "personal redemption," that carry special meaning for the religious >right. > >A poll of 1,500 Americans conducted this week by Public Agenda, a nonprofit >research organization, found that 44 per cent think government funding for >social services offered by religious groups is "a good idea." About 30 per >cent consider it "a bad idea," while 23 per cent would support it if the >programs did not carry religious messages. > >In other words, many Americans seem to agree with Mr. Olasky that religious >and secular groups should compete for the souls of the American poor. > >"The thing that's been debated for 2000 years is what is Caesar's and what >is God's," he said. "You can't dissociate your policymaking from religious >views, but you can do what Bush does, which is neither to encourage nor >discourage religious groups, but to judge by results." > >Copyright � 2001 Globe Interactive >******************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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>From: FAIR-L <FAIR-L@...> >Reply-To: fair-l-request@... >To: FAIR-L@... >Subject: [FAIR-L] MEDIA ADVISORY: Award-Winning Reporter Resigns On-Air > from Pacifi ca >Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:14:01 -0500 > > FAIR-L > Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting > Media analysis, critiques and news reports > > > > > >MEDIA ADVISORY: >Award-Winning Reporter Resigns On-Air from Pacifica; >Calls for Campaign to Oust Network Leadership > >January 31, 2001 > >In a dramatic on-air announcement, Juan Gonzalez, the co-host of the >Pacifica Radio Network show "Democracy Now!," resigned this morning from >the >network. Citing harassment and muzzling of free speech, Gonzalez said that >"the current management situation at Pacifica has become intolerable...the >last straw being the Christmas Coup at this station, WBAI, last month"- a >reference to the recent unexplained firings and bannings of top staff. > >"I've come to the conclusion that the Pacifica board has been hijacked by a >small clique that has more in common with modern-day corporate vultures >than >with working-class America," Gonzalez said. > >Addressing his co-host at Democracy Now!, Amy Goodman, Gonzalez continued: >"You are a wonderful and committed journalist and you have been subjected >to >slanderous personal accusations and constant undermining of your efforts. >And the board of Pacifica has tolerated it and, I think, even encouraged >this." > >Gonzalez ended his on-air resignation by announcing a "national corporate >campaign" to oust the Pacifica Foundation's embattled new board leadership, >which he accused of "illegally chang[ing] the Foundation's bylaws." He said >the campaign would call on listeners, instead of donating to Pacifica, to >contribute money to groups challenging the board's legitimacy and working >to >democratize the network. > >Gonzalez said the current leadership group "does not respect free speech; >it >does not respect labor or civil rights; it doesn't even practice due >process >for its own managers." > >Pacifica's Washington, D.C. station, WPFW, censored most of Gonzalez's >statement, cutting away to taped programming. > >Gonzalez, who has co-hosted "Democracy Now!" since 1996, is a staff >columnist with the New York Daily News. He has won numerous awards, >including a George Polk award. His latest book is "Harvest of Empire: A >History of Latinos in America" (Viking 2000). He was a founding member of >the National Association of Hispanic Journalists. > >FAIR executive director Jeff Cohen commented: "Juan Gonzalez exemplifies >the >best in the Pacifica tradition-a journalist who tells the stories of the >powerless and holds the powerful to account. As the two-year-long Pacifica >crisis worsens and the network's survival is seriously in question, FAIR >joins Gonzalez in calling for the national board leadership to step down. >Whatever these individuals' intentions, unless there is a prompt and >thorough transformation in Pacifica's national leadership, it is impossible >to see Pacifica fulfilling its unique, historical mission." > >For more information about Gonzalez and the campaign, call (212) 871-9322 >or >email pacificacampaign@.... > > >Juan Gonalez's letter of resignation is below. > >***** >To: Steve Yasko, Pacifica Director of National Programming >CC: Pacifica Board of Directors >From: Juan Gonzalez > >Date: 1/31/01 > >Re: Resignation > > >This is to notify you that I am resigning as co-host of Democracy Now! >effective immediately. > >I take this action with much regret since, as you know, I have worked >alongside host Amy Goodman from the show's inception nearly five years ago >and am proud of the groundbreaking work we have done to establish a >national >radical news magazine. Even more important, I have listened to Pacifica >programs for more than 30 years and understand the critical role the >network >has played in reporting important stories the corporate media ignored, thus >helping to shape >progressive thought and popular movements throughout the country. > >But the current management situation at Pacifica has become intolerable, >and >despite my hope that the majority of the Pacifica Foundation board of >directors would come to its senses, the situation has only gotten worse. >The >last straw was the Christmas coup at WBAI last month. > >Quite simply, the Pacifica board has been hijacked by a small clique that >has more in common with corporate vultures than with working-class America. >That clique has illegally changed the Foundation's by-laws, and during the >past two years it has methodically sought to squash dissent throughout the >network -- first at KPFA, then at PNN news, then at Democracy Now!, and now >at WBAI. This group does not respect free speech. It does not respect labor >or civil rights. It does not even practice due process for its own >managers. >And it is now seeking to radically alter Pacifica's by-laws to pave the way >for the selling of one or more stations. > >Furthermore, this clique insults Pacifica's loyal and sophisticated >listeners by asking them to finance its shenanigans with their donations. > >Starting today, I will be joining other Pacifica listeners in a national >corporate campaign that will not rest until every board member who has >orchestrated this hijacking resigns and a new board is in place -- one that >is democratically accountable to the network's listeners, community and >staff. > >Our campaign will call for listeners across the country to withhold >donations to Pacifica in a mass referendum against your policies. Instead, >we will urge them to contribute their money to a variety of groups around >the country that are battling the Pacifica board -- including the legal >fund >for court suits which are currently challenging the board's legitimacy. > >Mr. Murdock, Mr. Acosta, Mr. Palmer, you will soon find out that Pacifica >is >listener-sponsored radio. > >*** > > ---------- > >Feel free to respond to FAIR ( fair@... ). We can't reply to >everything, but we will look at each message. We especially appreciate >documented example of media bias or censorship. And please send copies of >your email correspondence with media outlets, including any responses, to >us >at: fair@... . > >FAIR ON THE AIR: FAIR's founder Jeff Cohen is a regular panelist on the Fox >News Channel's "Fox News Watch," which airs which airs Saturdays at 7 pm >and >Sundays at 11 am (Eastern Standard Time). Check your local listings. > >FAIR produces CounterSpin, a weekly radio show heard on over 120 stations >in >the U.S. and Canada. To find the CounterSpin station nearest you, visit >http://www.fair.org/counterspin/stations.html . > >Please support FAIR by subscribing to our bimonthly magazine, Extra! >For more information, go to: >http://www.fair.org/extra/subscribe.html . Or call 1-800-847-3993. > >FAIR's INTERNSHIP PROGRAM: FAIR accepts internship applications for its New >York office on a rolling basis. For more information, please e-mail Peter >Hart (phart@...) > >You can subscribe to FAIR-L at our web site: http://www.fair.org , or by >sending a "subscribe FAIR-L enter your full name" command to >LISTSERV@... . 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I know most folks are trying to pick the pieces after the coup, but
REJOICE! There IS Arthouse,
Where hip folks come together to make and listen to/watch
multinational
concerned cultural expression. We're continuing the tradition
started
last
year with a First Anniversary Show!
With visual art, music, poetry, hip hop, and intense discussion of
our
lives
and world.
And we want you to join us on February 17 at 8pm. That's a Saturday,
and
don't be late cuz the house is gonna fill up fast. We're charging 5
bucks so that
we can continue building and improving on the show. We're inviting
special
musical guests and others to delight all with their practice and
creativity.
And as usual we're inviting everyone to sign up for the open mic, so
give it
a chance and show some of your own stuff.
The show's still at 559 Hamilton Street, Somerset, just down the
street from
the Ale'n'Wich (the Louis St. light), up the hill, thru the next
light
and
park, cuz we're on the right, just across from Krauszer's. Any
questions,
call 732/729-0873 and leave a message for Paul.
I guess the corporations aren't waiting for the recession... >From: "Eugene McElroy" <manyanovo@...> >To: smlr_net@... >Subject: GE to cut 75,000 jobs? >Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:46:44 > >http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/02/01/companies/ge/ >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:46:02 -0500 Some directions to this Saturday's gig (coming from Newark, NJ): East Orange is the next town over from Newark, going north-west. I've got two methods: take Route 280 West and get off at the S. Clinton Street (East Orange) exit. At about the third light make a left turn onto Halsted Street (Halsted is right after N. Clinton Street). You can also take Central Avenue from downtown Newark and go straight up and right turn at the Carvel Bakery onto Halsted Street. Taking this route, my building is the first apartment building on your left, right after the pediatric clinic (you'll see the clinic's sign right before my building). Hope to see ya all there. It promises to be LIVE !!! (EMILIO- Please bring Asela!!) Khabirah Myers wrote: >Greetings everybody! > >You are cordially invited to a get together focusing on the works of >filmmaker Spike Lee. This event will feature a viewing of Spike Lee's >latest film, Bamboozled, followed by a video critique featuring poet, >activist, lecturer Imamu Amiri Baraka. In the video critique, Baraka gives >his personal views on the films of Spike Lee and the implications Lee's >films have in the political world. Please bring your minds and a palatable >dish to share with others. > >Place: My Place -- 157 Halsted Street >Apt. #403 East Orange, NJ Time: 5:30 PM >(Showing of Bamboozled starts at 6 PM sharp!) > >Date: Saturday, 3 February 2001 Menu: Pot Luck > >Please RSVP to Khabirah with your palatable dish no later than Wednesday, >31 January. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hey everybody in the Land of Bush....
I know most folks are trying to pick the pieces after the coup, but
REJOICE! There IS Arthouse,
Where hip folks come together to make and listen to/watch multinational
concerned cultural expression. We're continuing the tradition started last
year with a First Anniversary Show!
With visual art, music, poetry, hip hop, and intense discussion of our lives
and world.
And we want you to join us on February 17 at 8pm. That's a Saturday, and
don't be late cuz the house ain't that big. We're charging 5 bucks so that
we can continue building and improving on the show. We're inviting special
musical guests and others to delight all with their practice and creativity.
And as usual we're inviting everyone to sign up for the open mic, so give it
a chance and show some of your own stuff.
The show's still at 559 Hamilton Street, Somerset, just down the street from
the Ale'n'Wich (the Louis St. light), up the hill, thru the next light and
park, cuz we're on the right, just across from Krauszer's. Any questions,
call 732/729-0873 and leave a message for Paul.
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: FAIR-L <FAIR-L@...>
>Reply-To: fair-l-request@...
>To: FAIR-L@...
>Subject: [FAIR-L] DOUBTS ON MASSACRE: Media Ignore Questions About
> Incident That Sp arked Kosovo War
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:24:36 -0500
>
> FAIR-L
> Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
> Media analysis, critiques and news reports
>
>
>
>
>
> MEDIA ADVISORY:
> DOUBTS ON MASSACRE:
> Media Ignore Questions About Incident That Sparked Kosovo War
>
> February 1, 2001
>
> In 1999, the discovery of bodies in the Kosovo village of Racak
>helped push NATO into war. New evidence casting doubt on claims that the
>bodies were civilian victims of a massacre has stirred debate in the
>European media-- but there has been a virtual blackout on the news in the
>U.S. press.
>
> In January of 1999, the American head of the Organization for
>Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) mission in Kosovo announced that
>45 Kosovar Albanians from the village of Racak had been massacred by Serb
>soldiers. U.S. diplomat William Walker condemned the killings as a
>"horrendous" massacre, stating that the dead were all civilians who had
>been
>brutally executed, many of them mutilated after death.
>
> Once the massacre story was reported in heart-wrenching detail by
>media across the globe, pressure for war intensified and previously
>reluctant European allies took a major step toward authorizing airstrikes.
>A
>Washington Post article (4/18/99) reconstructing the Kosovo decision-making
>process found that "Racak transformed the West's Balkan policy as singular
>events seldom do."
>
> Troubling questions soon emerged, however, about whether or not
>there had actually been a massacre at Racak, or whether the incident had
>been manipulated to push NATO into war-- questions almost completely
>ignored
>by the U.S. media at the time.
>
> Front-page news articles by veteran Yugoslavia correspondents
>questioning William Walker's account were published in French newspapers
>like Le Figaro ("Dark Clouds Over a Massacre," 1/20/99) and Le Monde ("Were
>the Dead in Racak Really Massacred in Cold Blood?," 1/21/99). The German
>daily Berliner Zeitung reported in March (3/13/99) that several European
>governments, including Germany and Italy, were pressing the OSCE to fire
>William Walker based on information from OSCE monitors in Kosovo that the
>Racak bodies "were not-- as Walker declared-- victims of a Serbian massacre
>of civilians," but were mostly KLA fighters killed in battle.
>
> The Sunday Times of London (3/12/00) reported that Walker's team
>of
>American observers was covertly working with the CIA, pursuing a policy
>intended to push NATO into war. "European diplomats then working for the
>OSCE claim it was betrayed by an American policy that made airstrikes
>inevitable," the Sunday Times reported.
>
> After the massacre, the European Union hired a Finnish team of
>forensic pathologists to investigate the deaths. Their report was kept
>secret until now, two years later. The U.S. media is ignoring the story,
>despite the report's finding that although people did indeed die at Racak,
>there is no evidence of a massacre.
>
> According to the Berliner Zeitung (1/16/01), the Finnish
>investigators could not establish that the victims were civilians, whether
>they were from Racak, or even exactly where they had been killed.
>Furthermore, the investigators found only one body that showed traces of an
>execution-style killing, and no evidence at all that the bodies had been
>mutilated.
>
> The Berliner Zeitung also reports that these findings were
>completed
>as early as June 2000, but that their publication had been blocked by the
>UN
>and the EU.
>
> Except for one brief wire story from United Press International
>(1/18/01), not a single U.S. media outlet has run a story on the Finnish
>team's findings. News outlets continue to refer to the Racak massacre
>without qualification, despite the cloud of uncertainty hanging over the
>story.
>
> A recent Chicago Tribune report (1/23/01) about the Albanian
>separatist militia in southern Serbia speculated that the Serbs might
>"revert to form and respond to an Albanian provocation with a Racak-style
>retaliation." (The KLA-linked militia, called the UCPMB, are reportedly
>preparing for a new war and recently fired on British KFOR troops-- London
>Guardian, 1/26/01.) The Tribune made no mention of any questions
>surrounding
>the Racak incident.
>
> A recent Philadelphia Inquirer story (1/23/01) about Yugoslavia's
>relationship with the war crimes tribunal at The Hague claimed that "Serbs
>refuse to accept the world's vision of them as aggressors," and noted that
>Yugoslav president Vojislav Kostunica "alleges the killings [at Racak] were
>staged to look like a massacre to embarrass Yugoslavia." The Finnish team's
>findings about Racak, which prompted Kostunica's recent allegations, went
>unmentioned.
>
> An Associated Press article (1/18/01) did elliptically note the
>new
>report's existence, reporting that Kostunica wants to discuss with The
>Hague
>"reports attributed to Finnish pathologists saying there was no evidence of
>a Serb massacre" at Racak (1/18/01).
>
> With tensions in southern Serbia mounting and fears of a new
>Kosovo
>war escalating daily, the U.S. media's silence on this story is troubling.
>
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>From: ARTISTpres@... >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Subject: Virginia Admits Eugenics Sterlizations-Wash Post 2/3/2001 >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:25:22 EST > >PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY!!! > >When people read my articles mentioning eugenics, many think I am referring >to some conspiracy theory or am unfairly juxtaposing a legitimate >scientific >interest in genetics with the horrors of Nazi Germany. The following >Washington Post article makes the reality of the American eugenics movement >unambiguously clear. Hundreds of thousands of American citizens, most of >whom >were normal, were forcibly sterilized based on laws in 30 different states. >The sterilizations were just one small aspect of American eugenics. Much of >psychiatric medicine is based on eugenics and on the work done by Nazi >scientists-quite a few of whom were imported into the US following WWII. >The >US military has its own very extensive eugenics program. Many of the >population control agencies of the US and UN are fronts for eugenics. Our >current Presidents' family has been in the forefront of the eugenics >movement >for 70 years. The Human Genome Project admits on its own website that >eugenics was the origin of this scientific project. This article from the >most mainstream of newspapers just begins to open this aspect of the hidden >history of racial genocide in the US. >Robert Lederman > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19404-2001Feb2.html > >WASHINGTON POST >Va. House Voices Regret for Eugenics >State Was Once a Leader In Forced Sterilizations > Del. Mitchell Van Yahres (D-Charlottesville) sponsored the resolution. >"Scientifically we're greatly advanced, but morally we have a problem," he >said. (Bob Brown - AP) >By Craig Timberg >Washington Post Staff Writer >Saturday, February 3, 2001; Page A01 > >RICHMOND, Feb. 2 -- The House of Delegates voted today to express regret >for >Virginia's policies of selective breeding during the 20th century, >including >the forced sterilization of 8,000 mostly poor, uneducated men and women for >supposed hereditary "defects." > >The 85 to 10 vote came after some of the hundreds of victims of Virginia's >forced sterilizations spoke out in television and newspaper reports >spotlighting the state's leading role in a movement called eugenics. It >sought to use government power to breed away such chronic social problems >as >poverty, immorality, crime, addiction and ignorance. > >The resolution, which requires the approval of the state Senate, would make >Virginia the first among the 30 states that once had forced sterilization >laws to formally express regret. The resolution passed today would declare >"profound regret over the Commonwealth's role in the eugenics movement in >this country and the incalculable human damage done in the name of >eugenics." > >It was a remarkable moment for a state whose leaders prefer to talk about >Virginia's role in helping found the nation -- and lately, its high-tech >dominance -- instead of its prominent role in such historic evils as >slavery, >segregation and forced sterilizations. > >Even today's resolution was changed to remove the word "apology." Some >House >members, including Del. Harry J. Parrish (R-Manassas), wanted to go further >and remove the passage expressing regret, though he called the resolution's >intentions admirable. > >"We're offering regrets for something that was done legally," Parrish said. >"It's improper for us to now second-guess the General Assembly then." > >Virginia officials and academics had a leading role in the American >eugenics >movement, which paralleled the Nazi drive for a super race. The U.S. >Holocaust Memorial Museum has requested documents from Virginia as it >prepares an exhibit in 2004 tentatively called "Nazi Race Science." > >The eugenics movement began in the United States at the beginning of the >20th >century. Indiana passed the nation's first sterilization law based on >eugenics in 1907. Over the next seven decades, government hospitals >sterilized 60,000 men and women. Only California, with 20,000 >sterilizations, >had more than Virginia. > >Virginia passed its Eugenical Sterilization Act in 1924 -- which targeted >"socially inadequate offspring" -- on the same day it passed the Racial >Integrity Act prohibiting marriage between whites and nonwhites. Both grew >out of eugenicists' drive for what they deemed a superior stock of humans. > >"Virginia eugenicists saw themselves as the vanguard of the future," said >Gregory M. Dorr, a University of Alabama historian who studied Virginia's >role in the eugenics movement. > >More than half of Virginia's sterilizations happened at the Virginia Colony >for Epileptics and the Feebleminded in Lynchburg, though others happened at >hospitals in Petersburg, Staunton, Williamsburg and Marion. Most victims >were >white, but some African Americans and Indians also were sterilized, >historians say. > >"People were sterilized not because they were feebleminded, but because >they >were 'poor white trash,' " said Steven Selden, a University of Maryland >professor who wrote a book on eugenics that was published last year. > >The U.S. Supreme Court upheld forced sterilization at the Lynchburg >facility >in a case involving a woman named Carrie Buck, who had become pregnant as a >teenager. In allowing her sterilization in 1927, Chief Justice Oliver >Wendell >Holmes assessed Buck, her mother and her daughter, then declared, "Three >generations of imbeciles are enough." > >A surge of sterilizations followed nationwide, tapering off when Nazi >brutality in World War II turned public opinion against eugenics. > >"The Nazis took great comfort from the eugenics movement in America," said >Paul A. Lombardo, a University of Virginia historian. > >Forced sterilizations continued on a very limited basis in Virginia until >1979. Today's resolution calls on society to "reject absolutely any such >abhorrent pseudo-scientific movement in the future." > >State lawmakers urged particular vigilance at a time when scientists are >decoding the human genome and making possible far more profound >manipulation >of genetic traits than envisioned by eugenicists during the last century. > >"We're tampering with DNA, with genes. And scientifically we're greatly >advanced, but morally we have a problem," warned Del. Mitchell Van Yahres >(D-Charlottesville), the resolution's sponsor. "We don't want to go down >that >road again." > >A key supporter of House Resolution 607 was the chamber's top Republican, >Speaker S. Vance Wilkins Jr., a veteran lawmaker from the small town of >Amherst, just north of Lynchburg. He helped the resolution get past a >reluctant committee this week. > >"It's the right thing to do," said Wilkins before today's session. "They're >facts of history . . . and we shouldn't try to cover them up." > >Claude A. Allen, Virginia's secretary of health and human resources, said >Gov. James S. Gilmore III's administration had taken no position on the >eugenics resolution and is seeking a legal opinion on the threat of civil >liability for the state before taking a stand. He said forced >sterilizations >"clearly were atrocious." > >One Virginia victim of sterilization was Jesse Meadows. He was sent to the >Lynchburg colony in 1940 after his mother died and his father remarried. >Meadows was just 17. More than 60 years later, he can remember the names >and >faces of the two doctors and the nurse who performed a vasectomy against >his >will. > >Meadows married after leaving the facility and made a living as a house >painter, but he could never have children. Now 78, he lives alone in >Lynchburg, in the same neighborhood as several others who were sterilized >at >the colony there. > >"They ought to apologize for doing something like that, treating them like >animals," Meadows said. "They ruined a lot of people's lives." > >© 2001 The Washington Post Company >-------------------------------------------------------- >For Va. coverage of this story see: >http://www.timesdispatch.com/MGB37IFQQIC.html >Richmond Virginia Times-Dispatch >House 'regrets' eugenics >Recognizes harm to 8,000 residents >-------------------------------------------------- >For detailed info on eugenics and its realtionship to the Bush family see: >http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/ > >Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. >(Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics) >ARTISTpres@... 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X, Flavio, & co.- Just to relate my account of the charge I am facing so that it will make it onto our list of grievances: I was issued a summons for "obstruction of justice" (criminal, not misdemenor) by Officer Manish Shah. This incident was that I ran out alone early election day (6am-ish) to try and help Joe, who we heard was in trouble with the cops from the kids. I drove to the corner of Rensen and Seaman, I think, and parked, got out, and saw the squad car that was holding joe (for allegedly throwing something at a truck--he'll have to fill in those details) anyhow- I was abruptly told to get up against the car by cops standing across the street. They searched me, acted tough, gave me the summons, and let me go. So I waited around for joe, got his car off the back of a flat bed with Tammy, and then split. That's it. The new venue for court appearance is Milltown, after we got it removed from NB for conflict of interest. As it turned out, the prosecutor that I spoke with told me he was a witness in Joe's altercation with Kevin Jones later that day. He wasn't interested in a plea bargain once he realized who I was. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
FYI college folk: > >++++++++++ > >The Abraham Lincoln Brigade Archives (ALBA) is pleased to >announce the continuing annual competition for the ALBA George >Watt Memorial prizes for the best college student work about the >Spanish Civil War, the anti-fascist political or cultural struggles of >the 1920's and 1930's, or the lifetime histories and contributions of >the Americans who served beside the Spanish Republic from 1937- >1938. This work may take the form of an essay, visual art, video or >film, a dance, theatrical work or a musical composition. Two prizes >of $500 each will be awarded each year-one to the best >undergraduate work and one to the best graduate student work on >one or more of the above topics. Work will be judged on the basis >of originality and effectiveness of argument or presentation. The >work must have been created to fulfill an undergraduate or graduate >course or degree requirement. Submissions are encouraged from >U.S. and international contestants. > >The deadline for receipt of essays is April 1, 2001. Work produced >either during the year of submission or during the previous calendar >year are eligible for the competition. Essays must be at least 5,000 >words long to be considered for the prize. Works in the creative >arts should be the result of at least one semester's work. >Applicants should email entries to Eunice Lipton at: >eunicelipton@.... Please be sure to include postal >address. Audio cassettes, CDs, video tapes and slides should be >sent to: Eunice Lipton, Chair of the George Watt Award >Committee, c/o The Veterans of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, 799 >Broadway, New York, NY 10003. Alert Ms Lipton my email that >this has been done. > >The award winners will be announced each Spring. The Executive >Committee of ALBA will appoint the judges for the contest. > >ALBA is a non-profit organization devoted to the preservation and >dissemination of the record of the American role in the 1936-1939 >Spanish Civil War and itsaftermath. ALBA supervises a major >archive at Brandeis University (the most comprehensive historical >archive documenting the American involvement in the Spanish Civil >War) and supports cultural and educational activities related to the >war and its historical, political, artistic, and biographical heritage. >Some 2,800 American men and women, realizing the danger >international fascism presented to the world, came to the defense >of the Spanish Republic in the years just prior to the Second World >War. On the other side were forces led by rebel Spanish generals >supported by Hitler and Mussolini. > >The prizes honor the memory of Abraham Lincoln Brigade veteran >George Watt (1914-1994), not only for his own long anti-fascist >record but also as a symbol of the many American men and >women who risked, and sometimes lost, their lives in this struggle. >Watt himself was a veteran of Spain who then served in the U.S. >Army Corps in World War II. An effective voice for a variety of social >causes inhis lifetime, Watt was also a driving force behind ALBA. > >++++++++++ > >Labnet List is the discussion list of Labnet, the European network of >Labour Historians >Labnet is moderated by Labmod@... at the International Institute of >Social History >(Cruquiusweg 31, 1019 AT Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Tel +31.20.6685866, >Fax +31.20.6654181) >To subscribe, send a mail containing the message SUBSCRIBE LABNET to >Listserv@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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With the help of the Asst. Dean, Jim Dyer, at the NJ School of
Architecture(NJIT), I've had the privilege of helping to organize an exhibit
of the artwork of Ujima Kuumba Majied, a lifelong Newark resident & one of
NJIT's hard working custodians. This exhibit is a testimony to the fact
that many of the working people amongst us possess amazing and special
talents that they are not often given the opportunity or room to express and
share widely. In opening the doors of this campus and its resources to an
indigenous expression from the community, the NJIT body has gained an
opportunity to learn and appreciate what the community around it really has
to offer.
I have the honor of inviting one and all to the exhibit opening...please
come and share this unique experience with us.
Thankyou,
Matthew Smith
Student of Architecture and Life
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UJIMA KUUMBA MAJIED
presents:
MADAME C.J. WALKER
~TOOLS in WORKS of ART~
and other expressions
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SERIES ONE
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Monday, February 12, 2001 at 6:30PM
NJSOA GALLERY
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Directions to the NJSOA Architecture Building:
(at the corner of MLK Jr. Blvd & Warren St. in Newark)
From the South, take TPK N to exit 14, to Rt 21 N to Market St, left, cross
Broad St. intersection up hill, right onto MLK Jr. BLVD, past Essex County
College, to Warren St. Look for Red brick and glass building on the left.
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PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN GENERAL MEETING First a reminder to all that the People's Campaign is holding its general meeting this coming SATURDAY FEBRUARY 10 at 2PM at the NEW BRUNSWICK PUBLIC LIBRARY (Livingston Ave.) Below is the agenda proposed by the outgoing Steering Committee. Hope to see you there, In unity, Xavier ****************************************************** NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE�S CAMPAIGN PROPOSED AGENDA FOR THE GENERAL MEETING OF 2-10-01 2:00PM Introduction by Zofia Nowakowski 2:10PM Approval of the Chair � Curtis Warren (alternative nominations can be proposed) 2:20PM Approval of the Agenda - (items may be added if supported by the majority) 2:30PM PROPOSALS BY THE STEERING COMMITTEE (See bottom of agenda for full text of proposals) a) Fall 2001 Convention Move the Next Convention of the People�s Campaign to Fall 2001. b) Open A People�s Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy in New Brunswick Mobilize volunteers and resources to open a People�s Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy in New Brunswick in September of 2001. 3:00PM ELECTION OF NEW STEERING COMMITTEE The People�s Campaign will elect SEVEN members AT LARGE to form a new Steering Committee responsible for leading the campaign and implementing the decisions of the membership between general meetings. The new Steering Committee will remain the leadership of the People�s Campaign until the next Convention when a new leadership will be elected. a) Nominations of candidates from the floor b) One minute presentation by each candidate c) Closing of nominations d) 15 minute-break (�meet and greet� the candidates) e) Election of seven candidates at large by secret ballot Each person can cast a vote for up to seven candidates. Any New Brunswick resident has the right to vote. Any People�s Campaign volunteer (regardless of residence) has the right to vote. [As we decided at the Convention of May 13, 2000, each caucus (Latino Committee, women�s caucus, student caucus, etc.) with at least 10 active Campaign members is entitled to elect one voting representative to join the seven at-large members in the Steering Committee. Active caucuses are expected hold elections for their voting representative at their next meeting.] 4:15PM ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS AND TASKS OF THE CAMPAIGN Proposals by the Women�s Caucus Investigation Team and People�s Campaign Newspaper ******************************************************** PROPOSALS by the STEERING COMMITTEE (full text) A) Move the Next Convention of the People�s Campaign to Fall 2001 To ensure maximum outreach and greater participation by the community, to consolidate and expand the broad alliance of democratic forces in the People�s Campaign in the months leading up to the Convention, to demonstrate our continued commitment to the empowerment of the New Brunswick community, and to raise the necessary funds to hold the event. B) Mobilize volunteers and resources to open the People�s Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy in New Brunswick in September of 2001 Unite the People�s Campaign and raise the necessary funds to open a democratically-run, non-profit, cooperative center. Among the purposes of the center would be: 1) A headquarters to advance democracy and community control, promoting the platform of the People�s Campaign and supporting grassroots activities and programs that advance the points of the platform. 2) A headquarters to strengthen the unity of democratic forces in the city, providing shared meeting space and resources to New Brunswick grassroots organizations that promote democracy and community control. 3) A headquarters to celebrate and promote the diverse cultures of the New Brunswick community, hosting grassroots cultural events and organizing to open public space throughout the city for cultural and political expression. The People�s Campaign would form committees (Community Outreach, Small-Business Outreach, Campus Outreach, Cultural Events) to build support and raise money for the center throughout the city. The proposed target is $15,000 by September 2001, so that we can rent our first space in the heart of the community and continue to build upon it. The make-up of the center would be discussed and determined democratically at upcoming general meetings of the People�s Campaign.
Sat Feb 10 2001 2pm There will be a benefit fund raiser for Bernard White and Sharan Harper of Wake Up Call, WBAI at the Oberia Dempsey Center, 127 W 127th Street, Harlem, NY. Info 718-272-3840 Checks may be made payable to Bernard White or Sharan Harper. 591 Vanderbilt Ave. Box 260 Brooklyn, NY 11238
Thanks for your email about the Global Women's Strike. Perhaps you'd like to come to one of our
organizing meetings where we are planning the NYC action. We will be meeting on Thursdays
nights in the East Village (the address is below; the nearest subway is the Bleeker St. stop on
the 6 or Broadway/Lafayette on the 4,5,6,B,D,Q,F).
If you'd like to speak before then, please feel free to call me at home at 212-666-0122.
Thanks,
Sandy
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NYC Strike Committee for the
Global Women's Strike 8 March 2001
PO Box 739, Bronx NY 10454
Tel: 212-229-7671 En Espaol: 718-292-6137
E-MAIL: womenstrike8m@...
WEBSITE: http://womenstrike8m.server101.com
MEETINGS: 2nd, 3rd & 4th Thursdays, 7:30-9pm.
Offices of the Women's International League for
Peace & Freedom, 339 Lafayette Street, NYC.
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2nd Global Women's Strike
International Women's Day, 8 March 2001
STRIKE FOR:
A world which values all women's work & all women's lives.
An end to no pay, low pay & too much work.
12-2pm, NE corner of 39th Street & 7th Avenue: Rally and
demonstration in the garment district, in coordination with
the 2-hour lunch break for women being endorsed by trade
unions in Philadelphia, Spain and the UK.
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January 30, 2001
Dear Supporter of Women's Rights,
As you may know, we in NYC participated in the Global Women's Strike on March 8, 2000 with
leafletting downtown during lunch, holding a press conference the day before at the offices of a
lawyer representing victims of Pinochet's regime where we invited Phoebe Schellenberg from the
Philadelphia Strike Committee to join us, and celebrating the day at Brooklyn's The Rising Cafe
in the evening. Plans are underway for GWS 2001 both here and around the world. As a letter
from the strike committee in Philadelphia who are helping coordinate US strike activities said:
"On March 8, 2000, women and girls in 64 countries on every continent took what time they could
from waged and unwaged work in the first-ever Global Strike -- giving women's answer to the
global market. For the Market the production of things is prioritized over caring for people.
But we acted together across national boundaries to prioritize caring work in 'a millennium
which values all women's work and all women's lives' and for 'an end to no pay, low pay and
overwork' that the Market imposes on us in every country. The historic first Strike was a
triumph, and one we can build on.
We are expecting even wider participation for the second Strike. Are you able to see the Strike
website? It gives a broadening picture of what women achieved worldwide, ideas for actions and
for men's support and participation in the Strike. Involved so far include: * CHAD - a human
rights group based at the offices of a disability organization and four sister organizations;
*COLOMBIA - actresses and women authors; *GHANA - women organizing translations into local
languages, others performing a play about domestic workers' pay; *HONDURAS - 500 women in a
rural region; *NORWAY - a resource center for Black, immigrant and refugee women; *IRELAND -
women plan picket to draw attention to the socio-economic gap between the women in power and
other women; *ARGENTINA & SPAIN -launched their Strike mobilization in October; *PERU - domestic
workers are asking their feminist employers for the day off; *ENGLAND - a GWS Caravan will take
to the road in November, visiting cities and towns across England, bringing Strike news from
other places and inviting local women to join in."
Our plans for a strike and demonstration in NYC are outlined above and
build on our actions and slogan of last year: "We're not out to lunch,
we're out on strike!" This idea has been furthered by the Wages for
Housework Campaign (the group that coordinated the Strike in the US) in Philadelphia, which,
together with the Phila. Coalition of Labor Union Women and the Phila. and PA National
Organization for Women (NOW), is planning a 2-hour lunch break on March 8 against no pay and low
pay and for pay equity, with a speakout and rally at City Hall. Some people are picking up on
the 2-hour lunch break against no pay and low pay and for pay equity. As they wrote in Phila.,
"This speaks not only to those of us in waged work but also to those of us working full-time at
home, women on welfare, students, unwaged caregivers for children or those who are sick,
disabled, and elderly (as well as the unwaged work we do for ourselves), volunteers, women in
family businesses and family farms, activists on community, anti-
globalization and other concerns, and many others!"
Please let us know if you are planning a Strike activity, and how we might be able to help with
materials, publicity, contacts, etc. We welcome your participation in the NYC Strike
Committee's meetings and activities and look forward to hearing back from you soon!
Power to the Sisters to Stop the World and Change it,
Sandy Opatow, NYC Strike Committee coordinator
Nieves Ayress
Maria Bauelos
Susan Kirsch
P.S. Do check out the Strike website. Also, there are Strike 2001 T-shirts ($15 including
postage), and Strike 2000 t-shirts (on sale while they last for $7), buttons ($1), postcards
($.50) and stickers ($3 for a page of 10). You can find these on the website, too
>Opposition to Ashcroft Made History; Now We Need to Consolidate this >Opposition > >[We didn't win, but we made a mark. The vast array of public forces - >the labor movement, the civil rights movement, the women's movement, >the independent political movement (outside of the two main parties, >and even those still within the Democratic Party), and their allies >made a mark on the country. We could not prevent Ashcroft's >nomination, but we have re-grouped and are prepared to fight anew. >Here is how one organization, People for the American Way, summarized >the breath and extent of the anti-Ashcroft movement. Following that, >is the commentary from Ted Glick , Ashcroft, Racism and the Democrats. >-Moderator] > > >====================================================================== >Oppose Ashcroft Update http://www.opposeashcroft.com > >Alert Date: February 1, 2001 -- Circulate Until: February 10, 2001 > > YOU MADE HISTORY! > >______________________________________________________________________ > >IN THIS ALERT (1) You Made History! (2) The Real Deal! (3) Keeping an >Eye on George W. Bush (4) Please Support Our Efforts (5) About Us / >Subscription Information >______________________________________________________________________ > >(1) YOU MADE HISTORY! > >Well, the campaign to defeat John Ashcroft for US Attorney General has >come to a close. If you signed the petition, wrote and called your >Senators and/or phone banked at our offices, you were part of a >campaign that made history. We do not believe that John Ashcroft is >the right person for the job of Attorney General. While in the end we >failed to defeat the nomination, we did achieve some important >objectives: > >*When the campaign started, pundits and journalists alike predicted >the Ashcroft would sail through the confirmation process. Today he >was confirmed by a margin of only eight votes. > >*Senate opposition to John Ashcroft was a record high for votes cast >against a cabinet nominee who was confirmed. In 1985, 31 Senators >opposed the confirmation of Attorney General nominee Ed Meese. > >*We estimate that there were well over a million contacts made with >Senators opposing Ashcroft's nomination. You weren't alone! Almost >a quarter of a million petitions were signed and delivered to the >United States Senate from OpposeAshcroft.com alone. > >*Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) announced her opposition to Ashcroft's >confirmation the day after she received almost 30,000 of your >petitions! > >*This campaign has helped us pull together a progressive movement >that will be a political force throughout the nation. > >*You helped send a clear message to George W. Bush: whenever the >Bush administration attempts to turn back the clock on fundamental >rights and freedoms, we will stand up and fight. AND right-wing >nominees to the Supreme Court will NOT be confirmed. > >______________________________________________________________________ > >(2) THE REAL DEAL! > >We are not making these numbers up, or "spinning" them -- we don't >need to. You signed 232,528 petitions in less than 3 weeks. 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We >will examine the decisions he makes as President of the United States. >We will call on your support to monitor and take action against >policies and decisions that will curtail our individual freedoms and >liberties. Please look out for future emails from us, and help us >build a future that respects the rights of all Americans. In the mean >time... > >THANK YOU FOR TAKING ACTION! > >______________________________________________________________________ > >(4) PLEASE SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS -- JOIN PEOPLE FOR THE AMERICAN WAY > >People For the American Way depends on the support of individuals like >you. 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One plus 41 equals 42. > >There was not one--not one!--U.S. Senator willing to support the dozen >or so members of the Congressional Black Caucus who had the courage to >buck the system and challenge the official selection of Bush as >President by the electoral college. If only one had done so, for a >brief period of time, the illegitimacy of the Bush regime would have >been exposed through debate in the halls of Congress. But there was >NOT ONE! > >There were, however, 41 bullets fired by four, white NYPD police >officers two years ago today at an unarmed African immigrant, Amadou >Diallo, standing in the vestibule of his home in the South Bronx. >One plus 41 equals 42, and here's the real problem: not only is Bush >the President and Ashcroft the Attorney-General and Amadou Diallo >dead; the killers of Diallo were acquited of all charges by a criminal >justice system that, as experienced by black, brown and red people in >the United States, is riddled, cancer-like, with racism. After all, >close to three quarters of the two million people in prison or jail-- >the highest rate of any country in the entire world--are black or >brown, despite being about 25% of the population. > >Think about it. Especially if you're a white person: think about it, >please. > >I've just returned from a rally in the Bronx in front of 1157 Wheeler >Avenue, the late Amadou Diallo's home. There were a number of good >things about the rally, but I and others there were not happy about >the proliferation of Democratic Party politicians who spoke. At one >point, New York City Comptroller and Mayoral candidate Alan Hevesi, an >establishment Democrat from way back, was prevented from speaking by >the boos from the crowd after he said, "Most police are decent >people." I never heard another word that he tried to say over the >loudspeaker before he left the stage about five minutes later. > >Most white people, including progressive white people, probably agree >with Hevesi. As experienced by most white people, what Hevesi said is >pretty true. But because of "the wall between," as Anne Braden has >described the wall of racism and white supremacy, there is far too >much white ignorance of how the police and criminal justice system are >experienced by communities of color. It is truly as if we are living >in different countries. > >It's really a form of social pathology, this denial of racism. As >another example, here's what nationally-syndicated, liberal columnist >John Farmer had to say about Ashcroft and his racism, in a Jan. 8th >column as carried in the Newark, N.J. Star-Ledger: "Less well-known is >Ashcroft's opposition to a voluntary desegregation of St. Louis >schools. Or his honorary degree from South Carolina's Bob Jones >University--a hotbed of anti-black and anti-Catholic bile. Then there >are his laudatory comments about the Old Confederacy in 'Southern >Partisan,' a magazine nostalgic for the rebel past. None of this >warrants labeling Ashcroft a racist, as some liberals do." > >I guess for John Farmer, you're not a racist unless you're a leader of >the Ku Klux Klan, John Birch Society or their ilk. His moderation in >defense of racism is all too typical of those in the corporate media >and those in leadership of the two corporate parties. Which brings me >back to the 42 Senate Democrats who voted against Ashcroft. > >There were this many votes primarily because of the groundswell of >independent, grassroots pressure which forced most Senate Democrats to >take the stands which they did. This grassroots movement was composed >of liberal and progressive Democrats and liberal and progressive >independents. Some of these people were at each other's political >throats two months before in bitter debate over whether Nader or Gore >was the correct Presidential choice. > >A good chunk--not all, certainly, but a significant percentage--of >this grassroots movement has an understanding on some level about the >pernicious and destructive nature of racism and the need to oppose it. >And it is relatively united on a range of other issues. It is >essential that we actively search for ways to continue working >together in the future, which has to mean that we do so in a way which >recognizes both the commonalities on issues and the differences when >it comes to longer-range political strategy. If we do this, if we do >it with explicit and conscious anti-racism at its center, then there >is reason to believe that these four years under Bush could see the >emergence of a powerful, multi-racial, independent movement with >significant leadership from African Americans/people of color, as this >country experienced during the 1980s with the Rainbow movement. > >Absent such a development, Senate Democrats and House Democrats cannot >be trusted to do the right thing. Absent such a movement, forget their >having the intestinal fortitude to conduct needed filibusters. But >with such a movement, there is hope, real hope for this country, not >just in the short term under Republican rule but in the urgent task of >saving this earth and the possibility of true democracy, with justice >and freedom for all. > >Ted Glick is National Coordinator of the Independent Progressive >Politics Network (www.ippn.org) and author of Future Hope: A Winning >Strategy for a Just Society. He can be reached at futurehopeTG@... >or P.O. Box 1132, Bloomfield, N.J. 07003. > >__________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > >portside (the left side in nautical parlance) is a news, discussion and >debate service of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and >Socialism. It aims to provide varied material of interest to people on the >left. > >Post message : portside@egroups.com >Subscribe : portside-subscribe@egroups.com >Unsubscribe : portside-unsubscribe@egroups.com >List owner : portside-owner@egroups.com >Web address : http://www.egroups.com/group/portside >Digest mode : visit Web site _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
hi everyone: i am sending this to everyone in my address book. we were infected with a virus here at work, and it possible that the virus grabbed on to my address book. Please read my colleague's message below, as it is my warning to you. blast these viruses! sorry if this has inconvenienced you, Kristina > >Friends, > >I just received a virus titled: here you have :o). It has an attached file >"Annakornikova.jpeg.vbs." Don't open it. It immediately begins sending >copies of itself to all the addresses in my e-mail contacts list. Don't >open it and delete the file as soon as possible. I don't know if it does >any additional damage. I'm really sorry, folks. > >Kate Pfordresher >DC 37 Research and Negotiations _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>For the First Time the PSC-CUNY >will sponsor a forum for all union members >(and friends of course)to participate interviewing >the four people who want to run for >NYC Mayor. > >The Forum is here at the Grad Center > >February 15th >at the CUNY Graduate Center > >Four candidates for NYC Mayor >will present their goals for >the city--and CUNY--and respond >to questions from the audience. > >CONFIRMED SPEAKERS ARE: >Fernando Ferrer, Bronx Borough President >Mark Green, NYC Public Advocate >Alan Hevesi, NYC Comptroller >Peter Vallone, Speaker of the City Council > >The event begins at 6 p.m. Each candidate >will have 45 minutes: roughly 20 to 25 for >a presentation and 25 to 20 minutes to >respond to questions. > >further information available on the >psc website: >www.psc-cuny.org > >Chris Cage >Director, Public Relations >PSC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: siddharta5@... >To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] STRATEGY & PROGRAM MEETING WED. FEB. 14, 7PM >Maplewood >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:23:16 -0000 > >To: Participants, Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey >From Bob Bender > >Re: Proposal for Guidelines and Action by our group > >February 13, 2001 > >Our Interim Steering Committee - E. Belvin Williams, Judy White and >Howard Nelson - presented Proposals at our February 4 General Meeting. >We are all indebted to them. The February 4 body extracted "What We >Favor", below and adopted it. We now should consider further >self-definition and a proposed program through June. > >EVERYONE IS INVITED TO A MEETING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES HERE - >STRATEGY AND PROGRAM - WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 7 P.M., Ethical >Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street, Maplewood. What >emerges will be presented at our general meeting on February 21. > >What follows is my reformulation and revision of the prior >recommendations: > >Mission for Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey: To bring about a >listener-sponsored, commercial-free station which has reasonable local >autonomy and which operates with a democratically selected Local >Advisory Board. > >Statement of Principles - those proposed previously: > >1. Our behavior is to be governed by the Platinum Rule: Knowingly, Do >No Harm. Common decency and civility are our watchwords. > >2. Personal attacks are forbidden. Explain your reasons for critique >in support of or in opposition to another's ideas. > >3. When stating your position, present your supporting reasoning and >evidence. Allow others to do likewise. Listen to yourself and others. > >4. Prioritize, emphasize, justify and consider likely consequences of >recommendations. > >5. Our group acts as an impatient democracy. Your participation is >essential to prevent elitism and for consideration of new ideas. All >group members have a right to speak for a fair amount of time on the >subjects under consideration. Time will be made available for >consideration of "new business". > >6. When all else fails, Roberts'Rules of Order will govern meeting >procedure. > >What We Favor: the principles and calls to action in the "Statement >of the Concerned Friends of WBAI, adopted by Concerned Friends 1/11/01 >and by CF-NJ 2/4/01, and that adopted by the WBAI shop of the >Amalgamated UE Local 404 at its 1/18/01 meeting. (Adopted at our >February 4 meeting) > >Short Range Objectives: > >1. Promote boycott of current WBAI fundraiser >and channeling of contributions to other groups consistent with our >mission. > >2. Work toward a democratic process involving paid and unpaid staff, >listeners and Local Advisory Board members to determine the management >of WBAI and toward a democratically elected Local Advisory Board. > >3. Support the current lawsuits against the Pacifica National Board. > >Short Range Program (through June 30, 2001): > >1. Demonstrate against Epstein Becker Green law firm in Newark on >February 20. Conduct public meeting in early March about the status of >the National Pacifica Board. > >2. Continue organizational development - increasing outreach, >contacts, means of communication, fundraising. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From: "Diane Krauthamer" <skankin9@...>
Reply-To: starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com
To: studentactionunion@egroups.com, nfjo@egroups.com,
peoplescampaign@egroups.com, nj-add@egroups.com, nbfoodnotbombs@egroups.com,
rugreens@egroups.com, starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [starc-rutgers] Join the New Brunswick Community Street-Cleaning
Brigade!!
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:12:16
~~~~~Please circulate this important news far and wide, via email
>and word of mouth~~~~~
SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 11 AM ----- COMMUNITY DEMONSTRATION!!!
What do George Street and Devco have in common? They are both
located in New Brunswick, and they are both very dirty!
Join the New Brunswick Community Street-Cleaning Brigade at 11
AM on Sunday morning as we, equipped with surgical gloves and trash
bags, clean the trash and filth from George Street. We will show
Devco that we don't need its violent, undemocratic redevelopment in
order for our city to be clean!
The street-cleaning will begin at 11 AM on Sunday, February 18.
We will meet at the fountain at the intersection between George
Street and Livingston Avenue. After the street-cleaning, we will
hold a peaceful demonstration at the headquarters of Devco, to
symbolize their corruption, dirtiness and brutal disregard for the
well-being of the residents of New Brunswick.
Why are we protesting Devco? We are protesting Devco because it
is a corporation controlled by Johnson & Johnson, and for 20 years
it has been conspiring to take control of downtown New Brunswick. >Numerous
locally owned businesses have been bought out or shut down
by Devco to make way for the uniformity of corporate chain stores. >The
loyal residents of Section 8 Housing are being viciously
expelled from the city, and their houses destroyed, to make way for
upper-income apartment complexes. Last year Devco shut down and
fenced in a treasured community garden on George St. We will resist
the commercialization of our city and the destruction of our
community!
So, join us at the fountain at 11 AM on Sunday, as we catalyze a
movement for the democratic development of our city that benefits >all of
its residents, not only the rich and the corporations. We
will not rest until every citizen can have free, equal, and direct
participation in the development of our city!
-- Signed --
The New Brunswick Community Street-Cleaning Brigade
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>From: Sheila Hamanaka <Sheilahamanaka@...> >To: rockland friends of wbai <rocklandfriendsofwbai@yahoogroups.com>, NJ >friends of wbai <FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Just talked to Amy >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:54 -0500 > >WE ARE TRANSMITTING A MESSAGE FROM OUR FRIENDS FROM ROCKLAND. > >Sheila Hamanaka manages a free access Concerned Friends Group where all can >comment. The Rockland Group is smaller and is more discussion oriented. >We encourage our members to log on to the group page to get up to the >minute news from the struggle at hand. Thank you Sheila Hamanaka ><Sheilahamanaka@...>. The Rockland CF URL is >groups.yahoo.com/group/rocklandfriendsofwbai. And now for the message... >================================================================================ > >Thursday 10:07 am > > I called the station to find out what happened to Democracy Now and >the volunteer said "it's airing nationally" and "go on the internet" > > I said "I went to the Pacifica site and the only show they're airing >is yesterday's show." > > She said Amy was there, in the room and I asked to speak to her. > > I asked Amy what why they weren't airing the show in NY and she said >I'd have to ask Utrice (and another fellow I forget his name). I said >they announced they often take Democracy Now off for fund drives and she >said no they never do. I told her we would call in to protest. > > SO PLEASE CALL THE STATION TO PROTEST. THE FUND DRIVE # IS >212-209-2950 > > >PS radio kankaan host d. faye is the fellow on the air who pre-empted >Amy. > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Hi everyone We are having a meeting about the New Brunswick People's Campaign youth program on Wednesday February 21 at Louise's house at 7:30. (136 Baldwin St, two blocks from the corner of livingston ave, 2nd floor. If you need directions or a ride call me at 545-7207.) Some things we would like to discuss are the tasks necessary to keep the day to day aspects of the program going, as well as a general plan for the future direction of the program, both theoretically and practically (which of course are very connected). Please come with all your ideas. Hope to see you there. Louise & Sam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: siddharta5@... >To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes & Budget >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0000 > >Friends, > >These are minutes and budget for our group. Your questions, comments >and assistance are in order. Please also examine part 2 which >outlines the budget. We are trying to defray costs and any donations >of services or of funds will offset future fund raising. >===================================================================== >Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey - Decisions and Notes, >Meetings February 7 and 11, 2001 > >Main Decisions (and some updates): > >I. Pledging/Contributing: At the February 7 meeting, the body >reviewed the/a current draft from CF, and resolved the following for >us: > > A. Contributions and Unconditional Pledges to WBAI should be >withheld until all demands outlined in the Conditional Pledge are met > > B. Conditional Pledge forms should be submitted to CF. These are >to be mailed out centrally by CF. Note: I was informed by phone on >February 12 that some forms may have been mailed out in error. They >are being recalled. > > C. The central mailing will also list several organizations >which are soliciting funds, including CF. > >UPSHOT: THINGS ARE STILL IN FLUX. AWAIT FURTHER GUIDANCE. > >II. FEBRUARY 20 DEMONSTRATION AT NEWARK OFFICE OF EPSTEIN BECKER >GREEN, GATEWAY ONE NEWARK -4:30 - 7 P.M. This is coordinated with >the >New York demo - coordinator: Steve Bernhaut - SBernhaut@... - >various specific assignments made - leaflets, distributions > >III. ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICIES AND BUDGET FOR PERIOD 1/1/01 - >3/31/01- to be available via Fred's yahoo group mechanism > >IV. NAME AND ORGANIZATIONAL FORM: CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI - NEW >JERSEY (as of now, subject to change with other groups, >circumstances) Unincorporated. Independent affiliate of Concerned >Friends. > >Other Decisions and Discussion > >V. Finances: We want to reimburse expenditures made on our behalf, >including Paul Surovell's $260 for initial 800 piece mailing. Paul >will seek a contribution toward this from CF. Hetty Rosenstein is >leading an effort to secure organizational endorsements and >donations, in cash and in-kind from unions. The need for organized >fundraising was reiterated several times. (The budget specifies >contributions at meetings and subscriptions - 60 people @$20 for our >expeneses through 3/31/01). Treasurer Rosa Federico suggested writing >for the contributions. She, Bob Bender, Fred Nguyen and Terri Suess >will be account signators and Finance Committee. > >VI. Communications Committee - Fred Nguyen established a Yahoo group >FRIENDSWBAINJ - URL is GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/FRIENSWBAINJ. Fred and >Paul Suvorell are setting up a phone tree. Decision was that mailings >should now go only to those without email. Everyone will be on the >phone tree. > >VII. Legal Representation. Newark labor attorney Bennett Zurofsky >agreed to advise us. Joe Fortunado, Montclair attorney, agreed to >observe at the demonstration. Bennett will leave the demo at 6 p.m. > >VIII Media Group is functioning - Contact Gus Menezes - >Gusphoto@.... Organizer of Outreach/Membership Group: Diane >Beeny-908-233-7344 > >VII Other and Related Events: Sign-making party for demo - this >Friday, Feb 16 ,6 p.m., home of Peggy Waldman, 16 Sage Drive, Warren >Twsp - 908-647-2968. > > Our next working meeting - open to all - is Wednesday, February 21, >7 p.m., Ethical Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street, >Maplewood. Hopefully will have updated report from Strategy and >Program Committee. > >Friday, March 2, 7:15 p.m. -Video on/by KPFA - Berkeley providing >background on Pacifica, the struggle at Berkeley, and particular >attention to the elected Local Advisory Board - all welcome >-sponsored by the Ethical Culture Social Action Committee - 516 >Prospect Street, Maplewood > >Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m. TENTATIVE - Dissident Pacifica National >Board member Leslie Cagan reports back on the PNB situation -maybe >with others. > >Recorders/Reporters: Fred Nguyen, Bob Bender >===================================================================== >FISCAL POLICIES, NJ CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI- NEW JERSEY - ADOPTED >2/11/01 > >1. Receipts. All receipts shall be forwarded immediately to the >treasurer for deposit into an organizational account. Amounts >collected at public events shall be counted by someone other than the >Treasurer with amounts listed in the minutes of that event > >2. Expenditures: > > a. Budgeted expenditures may be approved by the person in charge >of the project or activity. > > b. General expenditures should be approved prior to >authorization at a general or appropriate organizational meeting. > > c. Emergency expenditures of no more than $150 may be >authorized by the Treasurer and one other responsible organizational >principal. > > d. Signatures of 2 responsible organizational representatives >shall be required for checks more than $200. > >3. Reporting. For each general meeting the treasurer shall present >a report itemizing receipts and expenditures. > >4. Reconciliation of monthly bank statements shall be performed by >someone other than the Treasurer. > >5. Budget. The Organization shall adopt a budget for the relevant >period, initially presumably a quite short period, which shall be >presented for consideration at a general meeting, with prior >circularization at least by email strongly recommended. > > Initial Budget - for period January 15 - March 31, 2001 - adopted >2/11/01 > >Events: 2 General Public Meetings - (one held Feb 4), 5 planning and >decision-making meetings, 4 committee meetings, one demonstration > >Expenditures > >Mailings - postage and reproduction $600 > >Reproduction - information, agendas, fliers $400 > >Signs, other supplies $100 > >Room Rentals $200 > >Refreshments for Meetings $75 > >Miscellaneous $200 > >Media Expenses $250 > >Program, Other $300 > >TOTAL EXPENDITURES $2125 > > >RECEIPTS > >Collections at meetings $800 > >Assessments - 60 people @$20 $1200 > >TOTAL RECEIPTS $2000 >===================================================================== > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Hi Due to the fact that a lot of people could not make the wednesday meeting, we have changed the meeting for the People's Campaign youth program to Friday Feb 23 at 7pm at the same place (see below). Hope this time is better for people. Louise (meeting address: 136 Baldwin St, two blocks from the corner of livingston ave, 2nd floor. If you need directions or a ride call me at 545-7207.) > >Some things we would like to discuss are the tasks necessary to keep the >day to day aspects of the program going, as well as a >general plan for the future direction of the program, both theoretically >and practically (which of course are very connected). >Please come with all your ideas. > >Hope to see you there. > >Louise & Sam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
matt, before I call BAI, I want to be clear on what's going on: so they've taken democracy now! off the air? I realized that I hadn't heard it in the past few mornings (and instead heard Utrice's annoying condescending voice), but didn't make the connection... can you confirm? kristina >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Just talked to Amy >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:41:57 > > > > > >From: Sheila Hamanaka <Sheilahamanaka@...> > >To: rockland friends of wbai <rocklandfriendsofwbai@yahoogroups.com>, NJ > >friends of wbai <FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Just talked to Amy > >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:54 -0500 > > > >WE ARE TRANSMITTING A MESSAGE FROM OUR FRIENDS FROM ROCKLAND. > > > >Sheila Hamanaka manages a free access Concerned Friends Group where all >can > >comment. The Rockland Group is smaller and is more discussion oriented. > >We encourage our members to log on to the group page to get up to the > >minute news from the struggle at hand. Thank you Sheila Hamanaka > ><Sheilahamanaka@...>. The Rockland CF URL is > >groups.yahoo.com/group/rocklandfriendsofwbai. And now for the message... > >================================================================================ > > > >Thursday 10:07 am > > > > I called the station to find out what happened to Democracy Now and > >the volunteer said "it's airing nationally" and "go on the internet" > > > > I said "I went to the Pacifica site and the only show they're airing > >is yesterday's show." > > > > She said Amy was there, in the room and I asked to speak to her. > > > > I asked Amy what why they weren't airing the show in NY and she said > >I'd have to ask Utrice (and another fellow I forget his name). I said > >they announced they often take Democracy Now off for fund drives and she > >said no they never do. I told her we would call in to protest. > > > > SO PLEASE CALL THE STATION TO PROTEST. THE FUND DRIVE # IS > >212-209-2950 > > > > > >PS radio kankaan host d. faye is the fellow on the air who pre-empted > >Amy. > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
what are people's thoughts on withholding their membership contributions to BAI? I'm up for renewing, but have been confused by conflicting suggestions as to what to do... is there an alternative fund set up? >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes >& Budget >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:37:40 > > > > > >From: siddharta5@... > >To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes & Budget > >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0000 > > > >Friends, > > > >These are minutes and budget for our group. Your questions, comments > >and assistance are in order. Please also examine part 2 which > >outlines the budget. We are trying to defray costs and any donations > >of services or of funds will offset future fund raising. > >===================================================================== > >Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey - Decisions and Notes, > >Meetings February 7 and 11, 2001 > > > >Main Decisions (and some updates): > > > >I. Pledging/Contributing: At the February 7 meeting, the body > >reviewed the/a current draft from CF, and resolved the following for > >us: > > > > A. Contributions and Unconditional Pledges to WBAI should be > >withheld until all demands outlined in the Conditional Pledge are met > > > > B. Conditional Pledge forms should be submitted to CF. These are > >to be mailed out centrally by CF. Note: I was informed by phone on > >February 12 that some forms may have been mailed out in error. They > >are being recalled. > > > > C. The central mailing will also list several organizations > >which are soliciting funds, including CF. > > > >UPSHOT: THINGS ARE STILL IN FLUX. AWAIT FURTHER GUIDANCE. > > > >II. FEBRUARY 20 DEMONSTRATION AT NEWARK OFFICE OF EPSTEIN BECKER > >GREEN, GATEWAY ONE NEWARK -4:30 - 7 P.M. This is coordinated with > >the > >New York demo - coordinator: Steve Bernhaut - SBernhaut@... - > >various specific assignments made - leaflets, distributions > > > >III. ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICIES AND BUDGET FOR PERIOD 1/1/01 - > >3/31/01- to be available via Fred's yahoo group mechanism > > > >IV. NAME AND ORGANIZATIONAL FORM: CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI - NEW > >JERSEY (as of now, subject to change with other groups, > >circumstances) Unincorporated. Independent affiliate of Concerned > >Friends. > > > >Other Decisions and Discussion > > > >V. Finances: We want to reimburse expenditures made on our behalf, > >including Paul Surovell's $260 for initial 800 piece mailing. Paul > >will seek a contribution toward this from CF. Hetty Rosenstein is > >leading an effort to secure organizational endorsements and > >donations, in cash and in-kind from unions. The need for organized > >fundraising was reiterated several times. (The budget specifies > >contributions at meetings and subscriptions - 60 people @$20 for our > >expeneses through 3/31/01). Treasurer Rosa Federico suggested writing > >for the contributions. She, Bob Bender, Fred Nguyen and Terri Suess > >will be account signators and Finance Committee. > > > >VI. Communications Committee - Fred Nguyen established a Yahoo group > >FRIENDSWBAINJ - URL is GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/FRIENSWBAINJ. Fred and > >Paul Suvorell are setting up a phone tree. Decision was that mailings > >should now go only to those without email. Everyone will be on the > >phone tree. > > > >VII. Legal Representation. Newark labor attorney Bennett Zurofsky > >agreed to advise us. Joe Fortunado, Montclair attorney, agreed to > >observe at the demonstration. Bennett will leave the demo at 6 p.m. > > > >VIII Media Group is functioning - Contact Gus Menezes - > >Gusphoto@.... Organizer of Outreach/Membership Group: Diane > >Beeny-908-233-7344 > > > >VII Other and Related Events: Sign-making party for demo - this > >Friday, Feb 16 ,6 p.m., home of Peggy Waldman, 16 Sage Drive, Warren > >Twsp - 908-647-2968. > > > > Our next working meeting - open to all - is Wednesday, February 21, > >7 p.m., Ethical Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street, > >Maplewood. Hopefully will have updated report from Strategy and > >Program Committee. > > > >Friday, March 2, 7:15 p.m. -Video on/by KPFA - Berkeley providing > >background on Pacifica, the struggle at Berkeley, and particular > >attention to the elected Local Advisory Board - all welcome > >-sponsored by the Ethical Culture Social Action Committee - 516 > >Prospect Street, Maplewood > > > >Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m. TENTATIVE - Dissident Pacifica National > >Board member Leslie Cagan reports back on the PNB situation -maybe > >with others. > > > >Recorders/Reporters: Fred Nguyen, Bob Bender > >===================================================================== > >FISCAL POLICIES, NJ CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI- NEW JERSEY - ADOPTED > >2/11/01 > > > >1. Receipts. All receipts shall be forwarded immediately to the > >treasurer for deposit into an organizational account. Amounts > >collected at public events shall be counted by someone other than the > >Treasurer with amounts listed in the minutes of that event > > > >2. Expenditures: > > > > a. Budgeted expenditures may be approved by the person in charge > >of the project or activity. > > > > b. General expenditures should be approved prior to > >authorization at a general or appropriate organizational meeting. > > > > c. Emergency expenditures of no more than $150 may be > >authorized by the Treasurer and one other responsible organizational > >principal. > > > > d. Signatures of 2 responsible organizational representatives > >shall be required for checks more than $200. > > > >3. Reporting. For each general meeting the treasurer shall present > >a report itemizing receipts and expenditures. > > > >4. Reconciliation of monthly bank statements shall be performed by > >someone other than the Treasurer. > > > >5. Budget. The Organization shall adopt a budget for the relevant > >period, initially presumably a quite short period, which shall be > >presented for consideration at a general meeting, with prior > >circularization at least by email strongly recommended. > > > > Initial Budget - for period January 15 - March 31, 2001 - adopted > >2/11/01 > > > >Events: 2 General Public Meetings - (one held Feb 4), 5 planning and > >decision-making meetings, 4 committee meetings, one demonstration > > > >Expenditures > > > >Mailings - postage and reproduction $600 > > > >Reproduction - information, agendas, fliers $400 > > > >Signs, other supplies $100 > > > >Room Rentals $200 > > > >Refreshments for Meetings $75 > > > >Miscellaneous $200 > > > >Media Expenses $250 > > > >Program, Other $300 > > > >TOTAL EXPENDITURES $2125 > > > > > >RECEIPTS > > > >Collections at meetings $800 > > > >Assessments - 60 people @$20 $1200 > > > >TOTAL RECEIPTS $2000 > >===================================================================== > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From:
Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> Save Address - Block Sender
To:
<pacificacampaign@...> Save Address
Subject:
Thanks for Responding
Date:
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:48:07 -0500
We have been overwhelmed by all your e-mails and phone calls that came in
the last few days from around the country in response to my resignation from
Democracy Now! and my call for a national campaign to boycott Pacifica and
oust the board of directors.
Several volunteers are busy right now cataloging your responses, listing
your questions and building a contact list for the future. I hope to respond
personally to as many messages as I can.
Within the next few days we will be sending you more information on the
campaign that hopefully will answer your questions, and we will suggest a
variety of concrete ways you can get involved. We will also provide you a
method for making tax-deductible contributions either on-line or by mail.
Meanwhile, please be patient. And please dont pledge any money to your
local Pacifica station until the network has been reclaimed for its
listeners.
By the way, if you didnt send us your address and telephone number, please
e-mail us at pacificacampaign@... or call (212) 871-9322. (Because of
the volume of e-mails weve had to include another e-mail account:
pacificacampaign@.... Both e-mails are working.)
Thanks for your support, and remember, we must keep Amy Goodman and
Democracy Now! on the air.
Venceremos,
Juan Gonzalez
Kris, Unless there's a specific program that you absolutely want to endorse
with a pledge, I would support sending your contribution to the "pacifica
campaign" set up by Juan Gonzalez & Co., after he retired from Democracy
Now! last week. Yesterday, the scabs at WBAI cut off Amy Goodman to
fundraise because it seems she and others have been carrying out a work
"slow-down". earlier this week, Amy read a great commentary from Mumia
supporting her show, and encouraging people to step up the protests against
the coup, and tying it into the rightward swing on the national level. I
think there's a NJ Friends of WBAI meeting this weekend up my way which I'll
try to get to & find out more....
From:
Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> Save Address - Block
Sender
To:
<pacificacampaign@...> Save Address
Subject:
Thanks for Responding
Date:
Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:48:07 -0500
We have been overwhelmed by all your e-mails and phone calls that came in
the last few days from around the country in response to my resignation from
Democracy Now! and my call for a national campaign to boycott Pacifica and
oust the board of directors.
Several volunteers are busy right now cataloging your responses, listing
your questions and building a contact list for the future. I hope to respond
personally to as many messages as I can.
Within the next few days we will be sending you more information on the
campaign that hopefully will answer your questions, and we will suggest a
variety of concrete ways you can get involved. We will also provide you a
method for making tax-deductible contributions either on-line or by mail.
Meanwhile, please be patient. And please don�t pledge any money to your
local Pacifica station until the network has been reclaimed for its
listeners.
By the way, if you didn�t send us your address and telephone number, please
e-mail us at pacificacampaign@... or call (212) 871-9322. (Because of
the volume of e-mails we�ve had to include another e-mail account:
pacificacampaign@.... Both e-mails are working.)
Thanks for your support, and remember, we must keep Amy Goodman and
Democracy Now! on the air.
Venceremos,
Juan Gonzalez
----Original Message Follows----
From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting
Minutes & Budget
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:03:27
what are people's thoughts on withholding their membership contributions to
BAI? I'm up for renewing, but have been confused by conflicting suggestions
as to what to do... is there an alternative fund set up?
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting
Minutes
>& Budget
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:37:40
>
>
>
>
> >From: siddharta5@...
> >To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes & Budget
> >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0000
> >
> >Friends,
> >
> >These are minutes and budget for our group. Your questions, comments
> >and assistance are in order. Please also examine part 2 which
> >outlines the budget. We are trying to defray costs and any donations
> >of services or of funds will offset future fund raising.
> >=====================================================================
> >Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey - Decisions and Notes,
> >Meetings February 7 and 11, 2001
> >
> >Main Decisions (and some updates):
> >
> >I. Pledging/Contributing: At the February 7 meeting, the body
> >reviewed the/a current draft from CF, and resolved the following for
> >us:
> >
> > A. Contributions and Unconditional Pledges to WBAI should be
> >withheld until all demands outlined in the Conditional Pledge are met
> >
> > B. Conditional Pledge forms should be submitted to CF. These are
> >to be mailed out centrally by CF. Note: I was informed by phone on
> >February 12 that some forms may have been mailed out in error. They
> >are being recalled.
> >
> > C. The central mailing will also list several organizations
> >which are soliciting funds, including CF.
> >
> >UPSHOT: THINGS ARE STILL IN FLUX. AWAIT FURTHER GUIDANCE.
> >
> >II. FEBRUARY 20 DEMONSTRATION AT NEWARK OFFICE OF EPSTEIN BECKER
> >GREEN, GATEWAY ONE NEWARK -4:30 - 7 P.M. This is coordinated with
> >the
> >New York demo - coordinator: Steve Bernhaut - SBernhaut@... -
> >various specific assignments made - leaflets, distributions
> >
> >III. ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICIES AND BUDGET FOR PERIOD 1/1/01 -
> >3/31/01- to be available via Fred's yahoo group mechanism
> >
> >IV. NAME AND ORGANIZATIONAL FORM: CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI - NEW
> >JERSEY (as of now, subject to change with other groups,
> >circumstances) Unincorporated. Independent affiliate of Concerned
> >Friends.
> >
> >Other Decisions and Discussion
> >
> >V. Finances: We want to reimburse expenditures made on our behalf,
> >including Paul Surovell's $260 for initial 800 piece mailing. Paul
> >will seek a contribution toward this from CF. Hetty Rosenstein is
> >leading an effort to secure organizational endorsements and
> >donations, in cash and in-kind from unions. The need for organized
> >fundraising was reiterated several times. (The budget specifies
> >contributions at meetings and subscriptions - 60 people @$20 for our
> >expeneses through 3/31/01). Treasurer Rosa Federico suggested writing
> >for the contributions. She, Bob Bender, Fred Nguyen and Terri Suess
> >will be account signators and Finance Committee.
> >
> >VI. Communications Committee - Fred Nguyen established a Yahoo group
> >FRIENDSWBAINJ - URL is GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/FRIENSWBAINJ. Fred and
> >Paul Suvorell are setting up a phone tree. Decision was that mailings
> >should now go only to those without email. Everyone will be on the
> >phone tree.
> >
> >VII. Legal Representation. Newark labor attorney Bennett Zurofsky
> >agreed to advise us. Joe Fortunado, Montclair attorney, agreed to
> >observe at the demonstration. Bennett will leave the demo at 6 p.m.
> >
> >VIII Media Group is functioning - Contact Gus Menezes -
> >Gusphoto@.... Organizer of Outreach/Membership Group: Diane
> >Beeny-908-233-7344
> >
> >VII Other and Related Events: Sign-making party for demo - this
> >Friday, Feb 16 ,6 p.m., home of Peggy Waldman, 16 Sage Drive, Warren
> >Twsp - 908-647-2968.
> >
> > Our next working meeting - open to all - is Wednesday, February 21,
> >7 p.m., Ethical Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street,
> >Maplewood. Hopefully will have updated report from Strategy and
> >Program Committee.
> >
> >Friday, March 2, 7:15 p.m. -Video on/by KPFA - Berkeley providing
> >background on Pacifica, the struggle at Berkeley, and particular
> >attention to the elected Local Advisory Board - all welcome
> >-sponsored by the Ethical Culture Social Action Committee - 516
> >Prospect Street, Maplewood
> >
> >Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m. TENTATIVE - Dissident Pacifica National
> >Board member Leslie Cagan reports back on the PNB situation -maybe
> >with others.
> >
> >Recorders/Reporters: Fred Nguyen, Bob Bender
> >=====================================================================
> >FISCAL POLICIES, NJ CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI- NEW JERSEY - ADOPTED
> >2/11/01
> >
> >1. Receipts. All receipts shall be forwarded immediately to the
> >treasurer for deposit into an organizational account. Amounts
> >collected at public events shall be counted by someone other than the
> >Treasurer with amounts listed in the minutes of that event
> >
> >2. Expenditures:
> >
> > a. Budgeted expenditures may be approved by the person in charge
> >of the project or activity.
> >
> > b. General expenditures should be approved prior to
> >authorization at a general or appropriate organizational meeting.
> >
> > c. Emergency expenditures of no more than $150 may be
> >authorized by the Treasurer and one other responsible organizational
> >principal.
> >
> > d. Signatures of 2 responsible organizational representatives
> >shall be required for checks more than $200.
> >
> >3. Reporting. For each general meeting the treasurer shall present
> >a report itemizing receipts and expenditures.
> >
> >4. Reconciliation of monthly bank statements shall be performed by
> >someone other than the Treasurer.
> >
> >5. Budget. The Organization shall adopt a budget for the relevant
> >period, initially presumably a quite short period, which shall be
> >presented for consideration at a general meeting, with prior
> >circularization at least by email strongly recommended.
> >
> > Initial Budget - for period January 15 - March 31, 2001 - adopted
> >2/11/01
> >
> >Events: 2 General Public Meetings - (one held Feb 4), 5 planning and
> >decision-making meetings, 4 committee meetings, one demonstration
> >
> >Expenditures
> >
> >Mailings - postage and reproduction $600
> >
> >Reproduction - information, agendas, fliers $400
> >
> >Signs, other supplies $100
> >
> >Room Rentals $200
> >
> >Refreshments for Meetings $75
> >
> >Miscellaneous $200
> >
> >Media Expenses $250
> >
> >Program, Other $300
> >
> >TOTAL EXPENDITURES $2125
> >
> >
> >RECEIPTS
> >
> >Collections at meetings $800
> >
> >Assessments - 60 people @$20 $1200
> >
> >TOTAL RECEIPTS $2000
> >=====================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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----Original Message Follows---- From: Fred Nguyen <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Robert Knight and Bernard White to come to NJ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) Robert Knight to Address February 20 Newark Demonstration Polk Award winning journalist Robert Knight will address demonstrators on Tuesday, February 20 outside Newark's Gateway II. The demonstration from 4:30 - 7 p.m., is aimed at the national union-busting law firm Epstein Becker Green. Knight is a long-time broadcaster at WBAI, 99.5 FM, an embattled station whose license is held by the National Pacifica Foundation. Knight until February 13 was the news anchor for the morning program, formerly Wake-Up Call. He and fellow Polk Award winner Amy Goodman were discharged from that role. This followed the December 22 "Christmas Coup" when Wake up Call host Bernard White and producer and union shop steward Sharan Louise Harper, along with station General manger Valerie Van Isler, were abruptly fired after many years of service . Knight still hosts another program,Earthwatch on WBAI midnight Wednesdays Terri's piece posted on our yahoo group list provide excellent background info on the demo and Epstein Becker Green. See everybody Tuesday.! To send your comments to CFNJ ---> FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com ======================================================= BERNARD WHITE FIRED HOST OF WBAI'S MORNING SHOW WILL SPEAK ON THE CRISIS AT THE STATION!! NYACK PUBLIC LIBRARY, SUNDAY, FEB 25, 3 TO 5 PM EMERGENCY MEETING! ALL THOSE INTERESTED IN SAVING WBAI 99.5 FM AS A VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BIG BUSINESS ARE URGED TO ATTEND. NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED TO SAVE FREE SPEECH!! PROTEST THE FIRINGS, CENSORSHIP & HARASSMENT OF PRODUCERS AND STAFF. DON'T LET THE CORPORATIONS TAKE OVER THE ONLY INDEPENDENT STATION IN N.Y. ROCKLAND FRIENDS OF WBAI Rocklandfriendsofwbai@yahoogroups.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] DEMONSTRATION ANNOUNCEMENT & BACKGROUND Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:38:46 -0000 February 20th, 2001 Demonstrate in New York City and in Newark, NJ to Save Free Speech Radio Save WBAI 99.5 FM Support the WBAI Union -- United Electrical (UE) Local 404 Save listener-sponsored, grass roots, peace and justice, alternative radio Demand that John Murdock of the law firm Epstein, Becker and Green, immediately resign from the Pacifica National Board. He represents a corporate agenda that is being promoted by the Pacifica National Board. He also represents a huge conflict of interest by serving on the Board while his law firm is representing the Board and WBAI management in a current flurry of outrageous violations of WBAI worker rights, amounting to a flagrant case of union busting. Consider the following: Union Shop Steward Sharan Louise Harper has been fired without cause, other staff members have been banned from the station, security guards have been brought in, free access to necessary work spaces has been denied, programs have been censored and Local Advisory Board members and listeners have been denied access to the station. Award winning journalists Robert Knight and Amy Goodman have been removed from the morning show (previously Wake-Up Call), Mimi Rosenberg, producer of Building Bridges, the Labor and Community Report, has been fired and Juan Gonzales, co-host of Democracy Now! has resigned under untenable working conditions. In addition, John Murdock and Epstein, Becker and Green are proposing revised bylaws that would allow a small number of board members to sell off any of the Pacifica stations - and WBAI is reported to be worth up to $200 million. Not only is Epstein, Becker and Green a union-busting law-firm, it is also defending the National Pacifica Corporation against lawsuits that have been brought by WBAI supporters. These listener lawsuits challenge the legitimacy of the National Pacifica Corporation and are directed at restoring democracy in Pacifica nationally and at local stations. Demand that WBAI be returned to its listening audience - before it is too late. Return WBAI to its original intent: to give a voice to those whose views are ignored in the "marketplace" of commercial-corporate sponsored media. We will not let WBAI be stolen from us. Keep the voice of democracy alive. Join the NYC or NJ Demonstrations set for Tuesday, February 20th, 2001, 4:30 to 7 p.m. at the Law Offices of Epstein, Becker and Green in New York City (at 250 Park Avenue (bwtn 46th and 47th Streets) and in Newark, NJ at Gateway 2, 100 Mulberry Street, at Market Street and Mulberry (Just west of Penn Railroad Station) Circulate this notice to as many people as you can, and have them pass it along. Make a point to be at one of these demonstrations and bring as many people as you can. For more information call 1-800-825-0055 or 718-707-7189 In New Jersey call 973-762-3682 or 908-755-5846 www.savepacifica.net For those who are interested, more details follow in the narrative below: WBAI 99.5 on the FM dial was initially founded as a radio station dedicated to free speech and freedom from corporate control. It was dedicated to peace and representing grass roots and alternative broadcasting. Its signal reaches New York City as well as New Jersey, suburban New York and Connecticut. Over the years, WBAI has steadfastly refused corporate funding and corporate control. Now, however, corporate forces are coming in through the backdoor and are in the process of stealing the station. WBAI has been a listener-sponsored radio station for more than 40 years and last fall it raised almost $1 million from listeners during it's fund drive. Listeners showed they were extremely pleased with the programming and they voted with their contributions. It was after that successful fund-raising marathon event, that the National Board (which holds the WBAI license in trust) inserted itself into the operations of the station, firing the station manager and two others, Bernard White and Sharan Louise Harper of the popular morning show "Wake-Up Call". A replacement station manager then fired and banned other commentators and reporters to whom the listeners contributed last fall. Ironically, it is the very success of the station that has resulted in this attempt to take it over and turn it into a hot commercial property. Meanwhile, people responsible for the success of the radio station are now being fired and banned from the station. Volunteers who have been responsible for successful fundraising efforts have been banned. In short, the present management is in total disregard of the founding principle of "listener sponsored-free speech radio." The huge success of the station now could actually result in the station soon being offered for sale. As listeners, we are not going to let that happen. We WBAI listeners are outraged. We want our station back. We demand that Free Speech Radio be saved. We demand the re-hiring of the award-winning staff that we have contributed to over the years. We demand that the station be open to all listener volunteers again (What's this, with "banning" the very constituency for whom the station was established -- the listeners?) The station is in a crisis, and John Murdock, Senior Associate of Epstein, Becker and Green who sits on the current Pacifica National Board, contributes to this crisis. The current National Board is not reflective of the listenership of WBAI or the other Pacifica Stations. The board's recent firing of key management and staff that WBAI has been an affront to all listeners. We insist that John Murdock immediately resign from the Pacifica Board. We oppose his firm representing the Pacifica Board in the Board's attempt to bust the WBAI's union and to resist listener lawsuits to regain control of the station. We demand that Epstein, Becker and Green and the Pacifica National Board cease and desist their current actions, that John Murdock immediately resign from the board, that the staff of WBAI be returned to the station and that the National Board be replaced with local representatives committed to"free speech radio". The Pacifica National Board must be free of a corporate control agenda that is revising the by-laws, firing staff and is, in general, laying the ground-work for very possibly selling the station. Terri Suess, Newark, NJ A member of Concerned Friends of WBAI-NJ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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After consulting Webster's Dictionary, I > >discovered that "sweatshop" is in fact part of standard English, and > >not slang. The word means: "a shop or factory in which workers are > >employed for long hours at low wages and under unhealthy conditions" > >and its origin dates from 1892. So my personal iD does meet the > >criteria detailed in your first email. > > > >Your web site advertises that the NIKE iD program is "about freedom > >to choose and freedom to express who you are." I share Nike's love > >of freedom and personal expression. The site also says that "If you > >want it done right...build it yourself." I was thrilled to be able > >to build my own shoes, and my personal iD was offered as a small > >token of appreciation for the sweatshop workers poised to help me > >realize my vision. 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TO ALL MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS OF THE NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN: I am pleased to announce that the New Brunswick People's Campaign scored a crucial victory in state Superior Court in this morning. Here is a summary of the events. Last November, NBPC filed a lawsuit against New Brunswick's city clerk, Daniel Torrisi, as well as the County Board of Elections, over the location of polling places in town. NBPC explained that in both campus and noncampus areas of New Brunswick, polling places were improperly chosen by city and county officials, making it difficult for students and community members to vote. Torrisi, the city clerk, tried to have the suit thrown out, claiming that NBPC did not have the necessary "standing," or legal interest, in the lawsuit. Torrisi told the court that even though the Campaign has hundreds of members, and even though our candidates each received over 2000 votes in the election, and even though electoral reform has been an important and consistent part of our agenda, we did not have the "standing" allowing us to bring this suit. This morning, Superior Court Judge Yolanda Ciccone completely rejected all of Torrisi's arguments. This is a great victory for the Campaign. It demonstrates that the courts acknowledge us as a legitimate group that is actively fighting for the voting rights of all of New Brunswick's residents. This morning's important victory came as a result of the work of a number of people, and on behalf of all members of the Campaign, I want to acknowledge them. First, Campaign attorneys Nicole Palmieri and Santos Perez, who are handling this matter, assembled an impressive array of factual and legal arguments against Torrisi's motion. Their success reflects great credit upon themselves and upon the Campaign. Next, NBPC members Curtis Warren, Eryn Loeb, and Julie Poulos, who all submitted certifications in the case detailing their experiences on election day and before, also deserve substantial credit for participating. I also want to thank the former Steering Committee members for their foresight in authorizing the Campaign's legal fight for students' and community residents' voting rights. And campaign members Frank Bright and Nicole Adler, who fought the initial battle over the polling places last year before the Board of Elections, also deserve credit for "getting the ball rolling" on this important project. Although I am sure that I am missing many others who had an important role in this victory, I think that it demonstrates the professionalism, the unity, and the committment to struggle, that are the hallmarks of the New Brunswick People's Campaign. We anticipate that this morning's judicial decision is just another in a long series of wins for democracy and for the principle of putting people first. Please feel free to call me if you have any additional questions. Flavio L. Komuves, Esq. General Counsel 609/987-6854 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Congrats everyone! I for one am very excited considering all of the BS I have witnessed, experienced, and endured related to this issue over the last decade! Jim
WBAI: THE COUP ON WALL ST. By Mumia Abu-Jamal, M.A. #492 Column Written 1/29/2001 All Rights Reserved Information is the raw material for new ideas; if you get misinformation, you get some pretty fu---d-up ideas. -- Eldridge Cleaver, former Minister of Information, Black Panther Party With late-night lock changes, and a phalanx of security guards prowling the halls, the coup of WBAI-FM, the flagship station of the Pacifica Network, has begun. Popular veterans of the listener-supported station, like program manager Bernard White and WBAI union shop steward Sharon Harper, (both producers of the morning "Wake Up Call" show) received letters of termination at their homes several hours before their shifts were to begin. WBAI general manager, Valerie Van Isler, who, like White, was a 20-year vet of the station, was similarly fired by Pacifica, ostensibly for failing to accept a position at network headquarters in Washington, D.C. While these firings were attempts to remove, and thereby install, management personnel, it was also an opening salvo in a pitched battle designed to silence radical dissent, and open the airwaves to the corporatization of WBAI. If you want WBAI to become a nice, sweet, safe alternative, like NPR, then do nothing. It will happen. If, however, you want to continue to hear about the struggles of the peoples of the world for liberty, for life, for dignity, as in East Timor; or of the noble life and death struggle of the zapatistas in the mountains of Mexico; or of cases like the slaughter of African immigrant Amadou Diallo; or of the continuing human rights violations occurring every day in the nation's burgeoning prison-industrial complex, then you must fight for it, as you would fight for your very life, or anything dear to you. The great Frederick Douglass perhaps put it best when he said, "Without struggle there is no progress." If the various communities of New York and northern New Jersey don't struggle for their vision of WBAI-FM, it will be gone. It's as simple as that. What's happening at 'BAI was attempted a year ago at KPFA-FM in San Francisco. The people of the Bay Area rallied in unprecedented strength--over 10,000 folks at one protest -- and backed the Pacifica board down. Listeners to 'BAI must do no less! In theory at least, the airwaves belong to the people. For the last 40 years, the staff and local management of WBAI have tried to make that theory in America a reality. If you are thrilled by the no-holds-barred radio reporting of "Democracy Now's" Amy Goodman, who is constantly threatened and harassed by the Pacifica board for her radical reporting, then fight for her. For in fighting for her, you fight for the finest traditions of WBAI, and against the corporationists who want to turn a national resource into just another commodity. To keep it raw; to keep it real, you've got to fight for it. top of page | home ----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Death Row Mumia Abu Jamal speaks on WBAI struggle Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 02:11:54 -0000 Friends, If you have not seen this yet, click on it or copy on URL line http://www.wbai.net/mumia_2-8-01.html To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Fund Raising/Pacifica & WBAI causes Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:16:46 -0000 Memo to New Jersey Concerned Friends of WBAI From: Paul Surovell, NJ rep to CF Coordinating Council A letter was mailed last week by the Concerned Friends of WBAI asking listeners not to contribute to the WBAI fund drive, but to give money to groups opposing Pacifica's actions as an alternative. Unfortunately there as an error in the letter. It was stated that listeners could make tax-deductible contributions to Concerned Friends through a so-called "Listeners Fund." However, such a fund was only in the planning stage and Concerned Friends has not yet established tax-exempt status. Therefore, the Concerned Friends Coordinating Council has decided to return all checks written to the "Listerners Fund." If you wish to contribute to Concerned Friends, you may write a check (not tax-deductible) to "Concerned Friends of WBAI." The address is: Concerned Friends of WBAI PO Box 21711 Brooklyn NY 11202-1711 Concerned Friends also recommends contributions to these other organizations: (1) This fund contributes to the three lawsuits against the Pacifica Corporation: "Free Pacifica Legal Action/Vanguard Foundation" c/o The Vanguard Public Foundation 383 Rhode Island Street, Ste 301 San Francisco CA 94103 (2) These funds were created by Juan Gonzalez: (a) $100 or less: "Pacifica Campaign" 51 MacDougal St #80 New York NY 10012 (b) more than $100: "Institute for Media Analysis-Pacifica Campaign" 51 MacDougal St #80 New York NY 10012 (3) a fund for striking Pacifica reporters: "Friends of Free Speech Radio" c/o Friends of Free Speech Radio 905 Parker St Berkeley CA 94710 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Open Letter to Pacifica Board from National Writers Union (Local 3) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:59:23 -0000 The contents of the letter below has been banned from public broadcast over WBAI. Please check the PacificaCampaign web site for more info: http://www.pacificacampaign.org/ =========================================================================================================================================== Dear Pacifica Foundation Board Members, We, the undersigned, are trade unionists & Labor organizations who represent tens of thousands of working people, many of whom listen to Pacifica network radio stations and support these stations. Historically, Pacifica's listener sponsored, Community based, progressive radio stations have not only covered but supported the efforts of working people everywhere to organize and gain their right to fair working conditions. We deplore your recent actions at Station WBAI, which have threatened employee rights, gravely violate free speech principles, and place in jeopardy Pacifica's important role as an independent source of news, opinion, and culture. Your recent treatment of WBAI's paid and unpaid staff, Local Advisory Board members, listeners and supporters would be reprehensible at a for-profit company, let alone at a non-profit institution which has been historically dedicated to the promotion of better conditions for all working people and whose mission has included serving as the voice of the voiceless. We are disturbed that you are using funds largely donated by working people to retain the services of consultants and law firms like Epstein, Becker & Green, organizations known for thwarting the efforts of worker's right to organize and for advertising themselves as maintaining "union-free" workplaces. We are similarly disturbed by the changes to the Pacifica Foundation's by-laws that have been proposed by Mr. John Murdock of Epstein, Becker & Green. They would, if allowed, remove all accountability by the Pacifica Foundation�s Board to its constituencies, allow the Board to self-select itself, and would place the Foundation's resources and decision-making power in the hands of as few as three undemocratically self-selected Board members. We believe that your recent actions run counter to the values of the Democratic, Progressive, Community-based media upon which Pacifica was founded. These activities are in direct violation of the Mission of the Pacifica Foundation and they must be reversed. We, hereby, call for you to take the following actions: - Rehire all fired WBAI staff and eliminate your "gag" rule and all forms of censorship at all Pacifica stations. - Do not retain the services Epstein, Becker & Green or any other consultants whose work opposes the efforts of working people to organize for better working conditions. - Do not approve the by-law changes proposed by Mr. Murdock. Keep the original by-laws which are consistent with the original Mission of the Pacifica Foundation. - Restore the Pacifica Foundation to a democratic structure that makes it accountable to its Constituencies; remove all illegally appointed Board members. - Do not sell Stations WBAI or KPFA ------------------------------- National Writers Union, Local 3 WE DEFEND WRITERS' RIGHTS 337 17th Street, #101, Oakland CA 94612 Phone: 510-839-1248 Fax: 510-839-6097 Email: nwusf@... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
this is of interest.. maybe something a student organization or GA can rally around... ********************************************************* APPLICATIONS SOON AVAILABLE FOR CAMPUS-BASED CHILD CARE PROGRAM FUNDS ********************************************************* In the FY 2001 budget, Congress included a $20 million increase for campus-based child care (for a total of $25 million). Funded through the U.S. Department of Education, the Child Care Access Means Parents In School (CCAMPIS) Program supports the participation of low-income parents in post-secondary education through the provision of campus-based child care services. On February 23rd, applications will be available to apply for these funds. Colleges will directly receive the federal money and then are required to distribute it to eligible students. A combination of $350,000 in annual Pell Grants given to students makes colleges eligible for the program. The Department will award approximately 150 to 200 grants. Applications are available February 23 and are due by April 24. For more information, call (202) 502-7525 or visit http://www.ed.gov/GrantApps/#84.335 *********************************************************** PLEASE FORWARD THE CHILD CARE ADVOCACY NEWSLETTER TO YOUR FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES! *********************************************************** Our typical e-mail is about two or three pages long and is delivered bi-weekly. To join our e-mail network, sign-up on our website or send an e-mail to: majordomo@... and write in the body of the message: subscribe cdfchildcare. To unsubscribe from this list, send an e-mail to majordomo@... and write in the body of the message: unsubscribe cdfchildcare. Archives of this newsletter are also available at: www.childrensdefensefund.org/ccadvoc_newsletter_archives.htm *********************************************************** E-MAIL YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS *********************************************************** Write and tell your Senators and Representative that America's working families need quality, affordable child care now! To send a message to your Members of Congress, visit http://congress.nw.dc.us/cdf/elecmail.html =================================================== Child Care Now! Children's Defense Fund 25 E Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 202/662-3671 (phone) 202/662-3560 (fax) CDFchildcare@... http://www.childrensdefense.org =================================================== _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING FEBRUARY 10, 2001 MINUTES Present: A. Adams, J. Adevai, P. Adevai, L.A. Agnese, L. Alex, A. Allred, L. Ammentorp, N. Aschoff, K. Bas, J. Bates, M. Bini, J. Boswell, F. Bright, D. Broderick, A. Coiley, A. D'Agostino, L. Dauphinee, J. Davis, D. Defeo, T. DeGloma, L. DePiano, H. Finne, J. Ford, M. Ford, S. Ford, T. Ford, D. Horng, J. Gallagher, B. Glyn, M.B. Goldberg, K. Gribbon, J. Gross, J. Hamilton, T. Hansen, X. Hansen, R. Holzapfel, K. Joseph, F. Komuves, K.C. Lin, G. LNU , H. LNU, E. Loeb, J. Luceno, M. Masters, P. McGee, P. Mehta, G. Mendoza, M. Michail, C. Montrose, E. Mullaney, L. Mwangi, Z. Nowakowski, W. Peeters, J. Poulous, S. Prince, K. Riordan, N. Rivera, W. Rukab, J. Saltzman, A. Toro, B. Villa, A. Wargo, C. Warren, A. Wynne. The meeting was called to order at 2:09 p.m. Zofia Nowakowski gave introductory remarks about the goals and history of the Campaign. The Steering Committee's nominated candidate for Chair of the Meeting (Curtis Warren) was not then present due to church obligations, and as a result, nominations for Chair were taken from the floor. Xavier Hansen and Zofia Nowakowski were each nominated (with seconds) to serve as chair. Vote no. 1 (CHAIR OF MEETING) XAVIER HANSEN, 16 ZOFIA NOWAKOWSKI, 8 Xavier Hansen, having been elected as chair, described the democratic framework for discussions that would be followed at the meeting, i.e. of having debate until all people who wish to speak have their say (but asking people to exercise self-restraint because of the time commitments of the meeting). Upon inquiry from a member, he also explained that the chair's decisions could be overridden by a majority (not 2/3) vote of those present. No objections to the agenda were raised. Mr. Hansen stated that two members, who had previously requested to vote by telephone, namely, Nicole Palmieri and Charlotte Kates, would be contacting the meeting by cellular telephone to cast their votes. Objections to this procedure were discussed, but the majority voted to accept these telephonic absentee ballots. Vote no. 2 (TELEPHONIC ABSENTEE BALLOTS) Approved by acclamation Discussion then turned to the question of allowing votes by paper absentee ballot. Proponents argued that it heightened the inclusiveness and participation opportunities in the organization. Opponents argued that notice of the procedures had not been given and there were risks of fraud. After thorough and extended discussion on the point, it was moved by DeGloma and seconded that: (1) votes called in by telephone would be valid; (2) paper absentee ballots would be invalid; (3) the Steering Committee should implement absentee ballot rules to be submitted to the members for their review and/or modification. The majority then voted to close debate and then passed the DeGloma motion. Vote no. 3 (MODIFIED ABSENTEE BALLOT PROCEDURES) YES, 24 NO, 12 Xavier Hansen then presented a proposal on behalf of the Steering Committee to have a convention in the Fall of 2001 (probably in September) instead of in the Spring. He opined that extending the time for it will allow for more work on other campaign activities in the near future and will allow ample time for outreach to carry out the convention. The proposal reads: Move the Next Convention of the People's Campaign to Fall 2001. To ensure maximum outreach and greater participation by the community, to consolidate and expand the broad alliance of democratic forces in the People's Campaign in the months leading up to the Convention, to demonstrate our continued commitment to the empowerment of the New Brunswick community, and to raise the necessary funds to hold the event. After a few supportive inquiries, it was moved and seconded that the proposal be accepted. Vote No. 4 (FALL 2001 CONVENTION) Approved by majority vote, three members dissenting. Mr. Hansen then presented the next proposal on behalf the Steering Committee, that is, that the Campaign work on a People's Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy to be opened by September 2001. The text of the proposal follows: Mobilize volunteers and resources to open the People's Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy in New Brunswick in September of 2001 Unite the People's Campaign and raise the necessary funds to open a democratically-run, non-profit, cooperative center. Among the purposes of the center would be: 1) A headquarters to advance democracy and community control, promoting the platform of the People's Campaign and supporting grassroots activities and programs that advance the points of the platform. 2) A headquarters to strengthen the unity of democratic forces in the city, providing shared meeting space and resources to New Brunswick grassroots organizations that promote democracy and community control. 3) A headquarters to celebrate and promote the diverse cultures of the New Brunswick community, hosting grassroots cultural events and organizing to open public space throughout the city for cultural and political expression. The People's Campaign would form committees (Community Outreach, Small-Business Outreach, Campus Outreach, Cultural Events) to build support and raise money for the center throughout the city. The proposed target is $15,000 by September 2001, so that we can rent our first space in the heart of the community and continue to build upon it. The make-up of the center would be discussed and determined democratically at upcoming general meetings of the People's Campaign. Keith Joseph does not agree with the need for a People's Campaign Center. He is of the view that the Campaign's main work over the next few months needs to be the expansion of roots within the community, not on a physical space for its activities. The competing views were amply and thoroughly discussed by the Members. During the course of the discussion, the members unanimously agreed to limit each speaker to 60 seconds of debate time on the matter. It was then moved and seconded to accept the Steering Committee's proposal as written, and debate was closed on the question. Vote No. 5 (PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CENTER) YES, 36 NO, 8 ABSTAIN, 6 The Members then moved into the Election of Steering Committee portion of the agenda. Discussion began about whether a candidate who was not present at the meeting could be elected to the Steering Committee. A compromise solution was reached, the members deciding by acclamation that a person not present at the meeting could be elected but that after the Steering Committee election, there should be an election for Alternate Members of the Committee in the event that a person elected decided not to serve. Noting that two written slates of candidates had been presented, Thomas DeGloma nominated all the nominees of both slates en bloc. The nomination en bloc was seconded. (Complete list of candidate appears below). Samantha Prince also was nominated, and this nomination was seconded. The Chair, without objection from the members, appointed Jessica Bates, Huckleberry Finne, Robert Holzapfel, and Brian Villa, as Election Tellers to control speakers' time and to oversee the balloting. The candidates, in alphabetical order, each gave one- minute speeches. From approximately 3:40 to 3:55, the meeting stood in recess as the candidates for Steering Committee met the members. After the meet and greet period, ballots were distributed to those members in the room who had signed in to the meeting and were later collected from them by the Election Tellers. It was noted that some members who indicated they had other obligations received and cast their ballots during the meet and greet period, the distribution and collection of these ballots also being under the control of the Election Tellers. Once the marked ballots were collected, the Election Tellers withdrew to count the ballots. Although the business of the meeting continued, at approximately 4:35, the tellers returned, announcing the following result: Vote No. 6 (AT LARGE MEMBERS OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE) (Highest seven members were elected to office) Curtis L. Warren, Sr., 58 Xavier Hansen, 51 Danny Rosado, 50 Zofia Nowakowski, 49 Tom DeGloma, 43 Julie Poulous, 40 Flavio Komuves, 31 Eryn Loeb, 30 Samantha Prince, 26 Frank Bright, 23 In accordance with prior decisions of the Membership, the highest seven vote-getters were proclaimed elected as members at large of the Steering Committee. Thunderous and sustained applause from the members followed. These seven will join the Caucus Representatives on the Steering Committee. In accordance with prior decisions of the Membership, each caucus with at least ten active Campaign members is entitled to elect one voting representative to the Steering Committee. The current active caucuses (now the women's, students' and Latino caucuses) are expected to hold elections for their voting representative at their next meeting. After balloting had ended, the meeting had moved into the Additional Proposals and Tasks portion of the meeting. Women's Caucus proposal No. 1 was moved and seconded. The proposal asked for a definitive decision from the organization about whether the Campaign should pursue an afterschool program. Noting that the program was currently experiencing a lack of resources, despite its popularity as a program begun during the Campaign for Campaign workers needing help with their homework, the proposal sought to obtain direction from the membership about whether the program should continue. After ample discussion, there was a definite sense that the program was valuable. Twelve volunteers offered to participate in the afterschool program. After this, the proposal was withdrawn. The membership gave a hearty round of applause to these volunteers. Women's Caucus proposal No. 2 was moved and seconded. It read: "All campaign meetings should be documented with minutes to be available at the next meeting." Discussion followed, along with friendly amendments. The proposal was modified to provide that all general membership and steering committee meetings shall be documented with minutes and that all caucus and committee meetings are encouraged to have minutes, minutes being a requirement if the committee/caucus wants something to be formally noted of record. Vote No. 7 (REQUIREMENTS FOR MINUTES) Approved by unanimous consent Women's Caucus proposal No. 3 was moved and seconded. It read: "The campaign must prioritize the development of a telephone/person tree as the primary means of communication in the campaign. Email should not be used as a crutch but rather as an addition." It was explained that the proposal was motivated by the fact that a number of Campaign members do not have ready access to email. In addition, the Campaign has continuing privacy concerns that motivated the proposal for a phone tree rather than for the distribution of complete membership lists. The proposal was quickly approved. Vote No. 8 (USE OF TELEPHONE CHAINS; MEETING ANNOUCEMENT) Approved by unanimous consent Thomas DeGloma moved, and it was seconded, that the Steering Committee be instructed to hold a press conference as soon as possible to remind local media and progressive media beyond the local area, of the continuing presence and work of the Campaign. A brief supportive discussion followed. Vote No. 9 (INSTRUCTIONS TO STEERING CMTE. TO HOLD PRESS EVENT) Approved by unanimous consent Keith Joseph reported on his attendance at a meeting of the Coalition of Independent Political Parties, a coalition of groups that had achieved certain electoral reforms through litigation, e.g. moving the date for independent candidates to file nominating petitions. Stating that the group's goals deserved further study, he moved to charge the Steering Committee with holding a forum on third parties, focusing specifically on the relationship of third parties to maintstream parties, which motion was approved. Upon the recommendation of the Steering Committee, the members then approved March 3, 2001, 2:00 p.m., at the New Brunswick Public Library as the date, time and place for the next meeting. Ms. Bas was announced that the next production of Arthouse, a forum for poetry readings, music, etc., would occur on February 17, 2001 at 8:00 p.m. at 559 Hamilton Street, Somerset. All are invited. The donation is $5.00. Mr. Hansen announced that the Campaign's Special Investigations Committee meets every Sunday night at 7 pm at 218 Townsend Street. The Special Investigations Committee, besides compiling all reports of misconduct from election day, is also engaged in a number of investigations into government operations in New Brunswick. These investigations will be written up into a newspaper for mass distribution in New Brunswick. Mr. Komuves invited interested members to attend a hearing before Judge Yolanda Ciccone in the Campaign's lawsuit against City Clerk Daniel Torrisi, to be held on February 16, at 9 am in Room 401 of the Courthouse. Call him on February 15 to confirm the time and place. The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, FLAVIO L. KOMUVES General Counsel
Hey all,
Something of interest I spotted in the Boston Globe that I thought would
interest the campaign. Apparently, in the 2/21/01 edition of the JAMA, there
was an in-depth article pertaining to limited safeguards in place to prevent
institutional conflict of interest in dealings between academic institutions
and biotechnology / drug companies. Specifically, the article sites
institutionwide bias at medical schools and affiliated hospitals.
Now, not that this correlation hasn't already been made for years in NB,
it has. I thought it would be in the campaigns best interest if someone to
get a hold of this article and give it a look over to gain additional insight
from the AMA on the issue, then apply the model locally. Never hurts to
apply an institutions own academic writings against it.
Further, something that I wasn't aware of is the Bayh-Dole act passed in
1980. It was specifically this act that allowed universities to patent
inventions for the first time. In my years of struggle at Rutgers, I never
once heard the origins of this act and would be interested to see the wording
of the act to further hone debate. Flavio, is this something that you could
get your hands on? Zofia?
Lastly, the article estimates that large companies conduct about
one-fifth of their research at universities while small companies spend about
one half of their research budgets at academic institutions. Does anyone
know how this compares in NB?
I will see if I can get my hands on the JAMA article here in beantown to
bring down next time. I just thought given the university right there,
someone locally may have a better chance expediting both opportunities. Hope
all is well. If anyone is interested, e-mail me with a fax that you would
like the globe article sent to. I guess you could check it out on line as
well. It's in the 2/21 edition of the Globe, front page below the fold with
continuation on pg. D6 in the business section. Title is "New steps urged on
university research bias." Article is by Liz Kowalczyk of the Globe Staff.
Later.
Jim
A reminder to all: The last Caellian before Spring Break will be in production this weekend! We are focusing on several themes, including celebrating womyn of color and body appreciation. As the progressive magazine of Douglass College, we accept all submissions, and are an uncensored, student-run democratic publication. We feature articles, writings of all kinds, poetry, graphic art, photography, and whatever else you would like to share. Please send all articles to ckates@... by this weekend! (And forward this wherever people would be interested in writing!) -charlotte l. kates, eic, caellian ckates@... 373-7853
The Womens Caucus for the New Brunswick Peoples Campaign is meeting this Saturday at 4pm at 218 Townsend St. All female residents of NB and campaign members are welcome to come! There will be ladies night afterward at 6pm, so you are welcome to stay and have fun. This is an important meeting. We will be discussing all that you bring to the table, in addition to the direction of the campaign, the role and goals of the caucus. We will also be electing a rep of the caucus to sit on the steering committee, which meets weekly to coordinate the campaign between meetings.
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----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] HAPPENINGS PACIFICA/WBAI STRUGGLE (2/23/01: 6 items) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:26:51 -0000 FRIENDS If you're not a remorseless internet surfer, this is a summary of the latest events: ====================================================================== 1. CALIFORNIA: Gods nesws from SavePacifica.net California Senators sign letter to Pacifica; federal judge remands case to CA courts February 22, 2001: Twenty-five California legislators � including the leader of the House and of the Senate � have now signed on to a letter opposing the new bylaws. A federal judge has remanded the lawsuits against Pacifica back to state court. That's a big loss for the Pacifica board usurpers, whose attorneys had moved to have the case tried in federal court. The decision opens the way for a possible injunction against the board's attempt to pass new bylaws. Meanwhile, the Sebastopol and Berkeley city councils passed resolutions against the proposed bylaws. ====================================================================== 2. NYC EB&G DEMONSTRATION: 15 photos of the NYC demonstration in front of John Murdock's Epstein Becker & Green office building can be viewed at: http://goodlight.net/wbai/ ====================================================================== 3. EB&G PROTESTS HAVING IMPACT: This email was sent to Lyn Gerry, who runs the SaveWBAI list at www.tao.ca (send message to redlyn@... to subscribe) <there's a front page article in the Daily Journal, one of two legal newspapers in SF,about EB&G and the listener protests at their offices around the country.>> ====================================================================== 4. LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN GEARING UP TO SWAMP PACIFICA NATIONAL BOARD CONFERENCE (HOUSTON March 1-4) CFNJ will participate in the letter writing campaign. The information will follow shortly (address, timing etc...). Please stay tuned. ====================================================================== 5. CFNJ LINKS TO PACIFICA/WBAI WEB SITES WBAIFREE.ORG web site has been censored by the EB&G thugs. They won't silence us. The CFNJ group list gathers many of the essential internet links. Please log on to: www.groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDSWBAINJ/links ====================================================================== 6. CFNJ PLANNING TO HAVE REGULAR VIGIL TO PICKET EB&G NEWARK OFFICE. If you want to help please contact us (siddharta5@...) WHOSE STATION? OUR STATION WHAT DO WE WANT? FREE SPEECH REMOVE THE ILLEGITIMATE BOARD REINSTATE THE WBAI FIRED WBAI STAFF & WORKERS KEEP UP THE PRESSURE AND WE WILL WIN!!!! ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN (IMMEDIATE ACTION) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:56:06 -0000 CONCERNED FRIENDS THIS IS A CALL TO ACTION : WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU WRITE A LETTER TO THE PACIFICA NATIONAL BOARD, WHICH MEETS IN HOUSTON MARCH 2-TO-4. YOUR LETTER SHOULD PREFERABLY BE MAILED THIS WEEK-END (ALLOW 3-4 DAYS FOR U.S MAIL, 2-3 DAYS FOR PRIORITY MAIL)TO REACH THE BOARD IN SESSION. THE LETTER, WHILE COURTEOUS, SHOULD DEMAND ANY AND ALL OF THE FOLLOWING BE DONE IMMEDIATELY: 1. THE REJECTION OF ANY BY-LAWS CHANGES, INCLUDING THOSE DRAFTED BY JOHN MURDOCK, WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE PACIFICA BOARD TO COMMERCIALIZE AND/OR SELL WBAI OR ANY RADIO STATIONS OWNED BY PACIFICA. 2. THE REINSTATEMENT OF ALL FIRED AND BANNED PERSONNEL AT WBAI. 3. THE REMOVAL OF PROGRAMMING CENSORSHIP AND GAG ORDER ON WBAI PRODUCERS, STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS. 4. THE CANCELLATION OF THE LOCK OUT OF THE LOCAL ADVISORY BOARD AND LISTENERS AT WBAI. 5. THE RESIGNATION OF JOHN MURDOCK AND DISMISSAL OF UTRICE LEID. 6. THE CESSATION OF ALL RELATIONSHIPS OF ANY KIND WITH EPSTEIN, BECKER AND GREEN, A LAW FIRM PROUD OF ITS ANTI-LABOR AND PRO-HMO RECORD. PLEASE SEND YOUR LETTER ASAP, TIME IS PRESSING AND WE WANT BIG BAGS OF MAIL DROPPED AT THE BOARD MEETING. PACIFICA NATIONAL BOARD MEETING ATT. FRONT DESK POST OAK DOUBLE TREE HOTEL 2001 POST OAK BLVD HOUSTON, TEXAS 77056 REGARDS CONCERNED FRIENDS NJ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] CFNJ (UPCOMING ACTION AND EVENTS) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:53:24 -0000 This week Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey (CFNJ) calls upon his members to actively participate in the following: 1. NO PLEDGE PHONE DRIVE: Call WBAI during the last week of their fund raising drive and tell them that you WON'T pledge and why. The number is 212-209-2950. The volunteers are uneasy and you want to tell them about the corporate take-over of the station. If you need details contact Hetty Rosenstein: Hetty@... 2. LETTER CAMPAIGN TO PNB CONFERENCE IN HOUSTON: We sent an email solicitation yesterday (heading:"LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN...") Further details at the end of this email. You can also FAX. 3. VIGIL AT EPSTEIN, BECKER & GREED (Hmmm Green? maybe Yellow?): We are planning a vigil/picket at the Gateway II in Newark. Proposed slots are Monday through Friday Noon-to-2pm and 5pm-to-7pm. We need people to hold signs and distribute public information leaflets. Please email to Fred (siddharta5@...) with your name availability and telephone #. 4. EVENTS Tuesday, Feb 27, 7:15 p.m. Steering&Program Comm, Ethical Culture Society, Maplewood Friday, March 2, Video on KPFA-Berkeley, Pacifica and focus on the democratic Local Advisory Board, discussion with Carolyn Birden Ethical Culture Society Maplewood, sponsored by its Social Action Committee - all welcome. Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m., First Presbyterian and Trinity Church, 111 Irvington Avenue at South Orange Avenue, between Prospect and Valley/Scotland, South Orange. Leslie Cagan reporting outcomes and status from the Pacifica National Board meeting in Houston. LET'S GET INVOLVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE...LET'S TAKE WBAI BACK ====================================================================== Model letter to PNB (Please send ASAP: before tuesday is best or ealse send priority mail... There is a fax too. February 25, 2001 To the Members of the Pacifica National Board, As a listener of WBAI, I am deeply concerned about recent trends, both on the Pacifica National Board and locally at WBAI. I am writing to urge you to strongly consider the following necessary actions in order to preserve community,listener sponsored radio. 1. The rejection of any-bylaws, including those drafted by John Murdock, which would permit the Pacifica National Board to commercialize and/or sell WBAI or any radio station owned by Pacifica. 2. The reinstatement of all fired and banned personnel at WBAI. 3. The removal of programming censorship and gag orders on WBAI producers, staff and volunteers. 4. The cancellation of the lock out of the local advisory board and listeners at WBAI. 5. The resignation of John Murdock and dismissal of Utrice Leid. 6. The cessation of all relationships of any kind with Epstein, Backer and Green, a low firm proud of its anti-labor and pro-HMO record. It is vital to take these measures immediately in order to preserve the integrity of both Pacifica and WBAI. Sincerely, Your Name Send or Fax too: Doubletree Hotel Address: 2001 Post Oak Blvd Houston, Houston, TX 77056 Phone: 713-961-9300 Fax: 713-623-6685 THANKS FOR BEING OUR FRIENDS To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
March 19
9:00am
highland park
press conference:
Wednesday 4:00pm City Hall
to announce date/time/location
all are encuraged to attend and speak out.
to the steering committee - write up a letter of support for us and
get it to me for the press, if it cannot be brought at 4:00.
members of any other organizations should also prepare a statement of
support on our behalf.
joe smith
586.5535
wacbush01@...
Paul (& everyone),
Obviously, the main issue is Joe's altercation with Kevin
Jones--Everything else aside, we don't need complete ideological agreement
to show support for an organizer physically assaulted by the Mayor's goon,
and to condemn the city's use of threats and violence to harass campaign
organizers.
Another important issue is Cliff's being charged for flyering at a
Public School. I should go without saying that it is interest of the
Peoples Campaign in particular and grassroots politics in NB in general that
we all loose if the precident is established where somebody can be hauled
into court and fined for distributing information to students at public
educational institutions, a clear violation of first ammendment rights.
The least issue is the 5:30am election day incident where Joe was tagged
for something stupid and maybe even careless, and I, of course, got caught
up in the passions of the moment, and was hit with an Obstruction charge.
(I'm still waiting for the General Council to respond to my messages as to
whether or not I should expect the legal support that they offered me
earlier on). Even this case, however, is principally a result of a pattern
of constant intimidation on the part of the machine using there goons and
cops to chase us around NB streets tearing down our flyers and threatening
us...all of us, not just BOL/SWORD.
I hope that folks can see this & if only for pure self interest speak
out against the City Machine intimidating and threatening everyone involved
with the campaign, and finally physically assaulting an organizer. I intend
on writing a letter on behalf of NJFO condemming the Machine's election day
tactics & in support of these charges being dropped. It is in the long term
interests of the Peoples' Campaign for the Steering Committee to do the
same.
In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
Was this the 5:30am election day incident when they 'towed' Joe's car? Paul
>From: wacbush01@...
>Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [njfo] Cliff, Matt, and Joe Smith go to court
>Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:13:07 -0000
>
>March 19
>9:00am
>highland park
>
> press conference:
> Wednesday 4:00pm City Hall
> to announce date/time/location
>
>all are encuraged to attend and speak out.
>
>to njfo - write up a letter of support for us and
>get it to me for the press, if it cannot be brought at 4:00.
>
>members of any other organizations should also prepare a statement of
>support on our behalf. can anyone contact nb coalition against police
>brutality?
>
>joe smith
>586.5535
>wacbush01@h..
>
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We missed this one, guys - I just found out about it ---
What can we do to improve our electoral system?
Join us at the
Electoral Reform Forum
hosted by
Congressman Rush Holt
with
Guest Speaker
Congressman Mel Watt
North Carolina*s 12th District
with
Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson-Coleman
and
Ingrid Reed
Director of the New Jersey Project * Eagleton Institute of Politics
Friday, February 23, 2001
5:30 pm
106 Loser Hall
The College of New Jersey
February 27, 2001 RE: Charges against community organizers relating to NB City Council campaign; since moved to Highland Park due to conflicts of interest with the New Brunswick Machines biased Municipal Court: RE: Kevin Jones, Joe Smith, Matthew Smith, Cliff Smith Case# s2000002713,sc2000017101,s2000002294,sc2000014556,s2000002714,s2000002762 Scheduled: Monday March 19, 2001, 9AM Highland Park, NJ Press Statement One of the most important historic tasks of our age is the preservation of democracy and our constitutional rights. This past election season, people came together from across the New Brunswick community and Rutgers campus to participate in the electoral process as a way of democratizing local institutions: NBs rubber stamp city council and their authoritarian, mayoral-appointed board of education. We have been told all our lives that good citizenship requires participation in the democratic process, with the ideal that more democracy is always better that less democracy. Unfortunately, the NB City Machine has demonstrated that their individual self interests and financial gain are more important than an engaged citizenryand that democracy itself is antithetical to their so-called master plan for the cityby violating the rights and freedoms of a community demanding change: The outright illegal and undemocratic suppression of votes, The illegal and unethical distribution of partisan paraphernalia inside voting stations, The constant harassment and threats of community organizers before and during the election by police and drunken machine-thugs, The suppression of the distribution of literature and information at public educational institutions, The outright fabrication of lies about the nature of grassroots organizations in attempts to dismiss them or undermine the validity of their democratic objectives, And finally, the physical assault of a community organizer by one of the Mayor Cahills aids, Kevin Jones. The NB City Machines credibility in the eyes of the community is at an all time low. The message has clearly been: What are you going to do about it? This is why we will continue our struggle for democracy and justice in New Brunswick. We call upon the Municipal Court of Highland Park to recognize the sham justice that is taking place in New Brunswick, and that the charges against NB activists are directly related to political intimidation tactics. We also call upon them to recognize our reasons for requesting these charges be moved out of New Brunswick courts: It is because of direct political influence of the NB Machine upon the NB Municipal Court system that has stripped it of its ability to deliberate fairly and without bias. In conclusion, we wish to make known to the Highland Park Municipal Court our demand that New Brunswick authorities drop these politically motivated charges. Matthew Smith New Jersey Freedom Organization (973) 824-2949 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Matt, Do you think it would be helpful to itemize the charges against you guys? I think this does a great job of 'framing' the casing, but I think it's confusing about what's at stake for you guys as individuals at the same time. Paul >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Press Statement demanding campaign related charges be >dropped... >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:03:31 > >February 27, 2001 > >RE: Charges against community organizers relating to NB City Council >campaign; since moved to Highland Park due to �conflicts of interest� with >the New Brunswick Machine�s biased Municipal Court: > >RE: Kevin Jones, Joe Smith, Matthew Smith, Cliff Smith >Case# >s2000002713,sc2000017101,s2000002294,sc2000014556,s2000002714,s2000002762 >Scheduled: Monday March 19, 2001, 9AM Highland Park, NJ > > >Press Statement > >One of the most important historic tasks of our age is the preservation of >democracy and our constitutional rights. This past election season, >people >came together from across the New Brunswick community and Rutgers campus to >participate in the electoral process as a way of democratizing local >institutions: NB�s rubber stamp city council and their authoritarian, >mayoral-appointed board of education. > >We have been told all our lives that good citizenship requires >participation >in the democratic process, with the ideal that more democracy is always >better that less democracy. Unfortunately, the NB City Machine has >demonstrated that their individual self interests and financial gain are >more important than an engaged citizenry�and that democracy itself is >antithetical to their so-called master plan for the city�by violating the >rights and freedoms of a community demanding change: > >� The outright illegal and undemocratic suppression of votes, >� The illegal and unethical distribution of partisan paraphernalia inside >voting stations, >� The constant harassment and threats of community organizers before and >during the election by police and drunken machine-thugs, >� The suppression of the distribution of literature and information at >public educational institutions, >� The outright fabrication of lies about the nature of grassroots >organizations in attempts to dismiss them or undermine the validity of >their >democratic objectives, >� And finally, the physical assault of a community organizer by one of the >Mayor Cahill�s aids, Kevin Jones. > >The NB City Machine�s credibility in the eyes of the community is at an all >time low. The message has clearly been: What are you going to do about it? >This is why we will continue our struggle for democracy and justice in New >Brunswick. We call upon the Municipal Court of Highland Park to recognize >the sham justice that is taking place in New Brunswick, and that the >charges >against NB activists are directly related to political intimidation >tactics. > We also call upon them to recognize our reasons for requesting these >charges be moved out of New Brunswick courts: It is because of direct >political influence of the NB Machine upon the NB Municipal Court system >that has stripped it of its ability to deliberate fairly and without bias. > >In conclusion, we wish to make known to the Highland Park Municipal Court >our demand that New Brunswick authorities drop these politically motivated >charges. > > >Matthew Smith >New Jersey Freedom Organization >(973) 824-2949 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
As I clear the lingering bad taste from my mouth... In the spirit of unity, check out what Antioch Church's community development corporation has been doing by Rt. 27... http://www.dailytargum.com/sections/news/story/022601aaa.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Press Release
*NEW BRUNSWICK, February 28, 2001
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE*
New Brunswick Peoples Campaign
Contact: Flavio Komuves
Tel: (732) 261-3163
Or: Zofia Nowakowski
(212) 414-9306
Or: Curtis Warren
(732) 448-5091 beeper
New Brunswick Peoples Campaign Condemns City's Policy of Intimidation and Voter Fraud During Elections
The New Brunswick Peoples Campaign is an organization that over the last year has forged unity with many different organizations in New Brunswick to promote democracy and self-determination for the residents of New Brunswick. During the most recent elections, when 3 of our candidates ran against the Democratic incumbents for city council, we worked together with groups both within and outside of the campaign to further this basic goal of democracy. While different groups may pursue different tactics, we condemn the nature of the charges against activists Joe, Cliff, and Matt Smith, because we believe them to be politically motivated. These activists will be heard in court on Monday, March 19th, in Highland Park at 9am.
Charges pursued against the Smiths follow directly from the New Brunswick Democratic machine's pattern of intimidation, harassment, illegal electioneering and election fraud that occurred during the period before Election Day and on Election Day itself. As just one case in point, Mayor James Cahill's aide Kevin Jones assaulted activist Joseph Smith and made terroristic threats against People's Campaign members Frank Bright and Kerry Riordan at the Lord Stirling School polling site on November 7th, 2000. Since the November elections, the Peoples Campaign has been investigating and gathering evidence about the numerous acts of intimidation and voter fraud perpetrated by the city machine, and the Campaign will soon make these known to the public in their entirety. Any individuals who wish to add to this list of violations should contact the campaign at (732) 735-1342.
On a parallel track, the Campaign is also vigorously pursuing a lawsuit against City Clerk Daniel Torrisi about his improper selection of polling places. On Friday, February 16, 2001, Superior Court Judge Yolanda Ciccone overruled Torrisi's objections that the People's Campaign did not have standing (i.e., the legal right) to pursue the case. Her ruling conclusively demonstrates that the courts recognize the People's Campaign as a legitimate group fighting for fairness for New Brunswick's voters. *The New Brunswick People's Campaign is fighting for voting rights for all New Brunswick residents, which we have never had,* stated steering committee member Curtis L. Warren.
From: Catherine Ruckelshaus <cruckelshaus@...> To: "Contingent listserv (E-mail)" <contingnet-org@igc... Date: Wed, Feb 28, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: [contingent-org] FW: Dayworker centers a mixed success ************************************************* This message sent via the contingent-org listserv ************************************************* ----- Original Message----- From: CLINICSF@... [mailto:CLINICSF@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:30 PM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Dayworker centers a mixed success City facilities help contractors find documented laborers. But rules vary in effectiveness, and street gatherings, deportations continue. By H.G. Reza Los Angeles Times February 26, 2001 "Good morning, sir! Good morning, sir!" yelled the 60 men in near-unison as the driver of a black pickup pulled up to the Costa Mesa Job Center. Sitting on a metal chair and bundled up against the morning cold, each man leaned forward and raised a number--given out in the order the workers signed up--on a blue piece of paper. It was 7 a.m., and the contractor needed a handyman for six hours at $10 per hour. But the job required an English speaker; all but a few hands dropped. Just about everyone could say "Good morning," but only a few could carry an English conversation further. The lucky worker picked--a man in his early 20s--was holding No. 39. The contractor took him to breakfast before heading to the job site. "I'm doing a construction job in the area and have been stopping here once or twice a week," said the contractor, who wanted to be identified only as Dave. "This isn't totally legit, but it's as legit as it gets. It works out well for me." This is the scene most mornings at city-sponsored job centers in Costa Mesa, Orange, North Hollywood and elsewhere throughout Southern California. Several dozen men huddle, starting before 6 a.m., waiting for an employer to offer them work for the day. A survey by the Los Angeles Human Relations Commission of day-laborer hiring sites found that 97% of the dayworkers in Orange and Los Angeles counties are Latino immigrant men. Although they are often stereotyped as unskilled laborers, many are electricians, mechanics, masons, roofers and bakers, the study found. The centers are an attempt by the cities to stop the practice of workers gathering at storefronts and street corners throughout the day waiting to be hired. Most municipalities have also enacted ordinances prohibiting the solicitation of work in public areas. Orange police enforce the city ordinance aggressively, arresting many workers who are turned over to the U.S. Border Patrol and deported. The commission's study found the ordinances ineffective in taking the laborers off the streets. Researchers found that "as long as there are jobs available, the workers will continue to gather." According to the survey, which included Southern California and eight states, ordinances are sometimes also applied unfairly. "Police . . . often abuse the law by harassing Latino men into moving away from places where they have legal rights to stand. . . . Law enforcement also misuses the ordinance to break up employment relationships which may be legal. Moreover, abuse of the ordinance is often discriminatory toward minorities," the report says. Officials in Moorpark, faced with complaints from residents and business owners about dozens of men hanging out at Spring Road and High Street, are trying to find an equitable solution. Bob LeMay, the new police chief of the Ventura County city, said convincing Moorpark officials to build a hiring hall is among his priorities. Despite numerous complaints, there is little his officers can do, LeMay said. "I am looking for some type of creative solution that will be beneficial to both the residents and these individuals, [who] are only trying to scratch out a meager living," he said. At most centers, workers are not harassed by police, but they do need to be able to prove they are in the country legally. But because many are undocumented, only a small percentage actually use the facilities. "The goal was to get people off the streets and out of the parks and give them a place where we can put employer and worker together," said Glenn Stroud, who supervises Costa Mesa's job center. "We've been successful, but there's still a lot of people on the street soliciting jobs." At a North Hollywood hiring hall run by the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, even illegal immigrants can register. The facility is unlike any other in Southern California. Most mornings, the workers are provided coffee and Mexican sweet bread. When the coalition began running the hall in 1997, it quickly fostered a sense of belonging among the workers. Workers tend a vegetable garden and have formed a band, soccer team, theater troupe and marathon team. They also perform community service, such as graffiti removal, and can check out books from the hall's library. Robin S. Toma, executive director of the L.A. County Human Relations Commission, said it is foolhardy to allow only legal residents to use the hiring halls. "It's a liability if the goal is to establish a site for a more organized method of job distribution. Inclusive hiring benefits everyone: the community, workers, employers and most of all the police, who have better things to do than enforce ordinances and chase people away from street corners and stores," Toma said. Jose Campa, who works part time at the Orange Job Center, had to chase off three scruffy men one recent morning who were not registered with the center. "All they want to do is work," said Campa, a burly retiree from El Paso, Texas. "But the rules say that only registered workers can be here." The three men said they had arrived from Veracruz, Mexico, 15 days earlier and had lost all their money--$200 apiece--to the smuggler who brought them. They were penniless, had not worked since they arrived and were living on the street. On this particular morning, only about a dozen of the 43 workers who had registered for the day had been hired by the time the center closed at 10 a.m. The centers aid the workers in other ways: Because city officials keep track of the workers and the contractors who hire them, the workers usually earn more than the $6.25 California minimum wage, and the contractors are less likely to cheat them of their pay. Occasionally, wages are paid in cash with no taxes withheld and no record--other than at the center--that employer and employee met. "I've heard terrible stories from these guys about contractors who work them for three or four days and never pay them. This usually happens with workers who hang out on the street. We've had one or two contractors who have done that, but we know who they are and call them," Campa said. The commission's report, due for release this week, quoted from a separate study of Los Angeles-area dayworkers that found 48% had worked for an employer who never paid them and 52% had been paid less than promised at one time or another. Occasionally, workers will land a long-term job. Manuel Soto recently was laid off after three years from a construction job he got through the Orange center. "I took advantage of the opportunity. I learned all about construction and after a few months I was made a heavy-equipment operator," said Soto, speaking a mixture of English and Spanish. "I was making good money until the contracts ran out and I lost my job." On this morning, Soto, 30, said he was willing to take any job offered him for the day. The Orange center uses a lottery system to place workers. The names of those who speak Spanish only are written on slips of white paper and placed in a glass bowl. The names of workers who speak English are written on green slips and placed in a basket. People are hired based on the luck of the draw. Luis Mandujan, 29, said workers rely on one another to keep order at the facility. "We don't allow anybody to get loud or rowdy. Everything is kept very dignified here. The guys jump on anybody who brings beer. Employers don't want to see people arguing or drinking when they come in looking for workers." Not all of the men are craftsmen or laborers. Campa said a graphic artist from Mexico with computer skills was doing menial work until he was hired by a woman who runs a silk-screening business. "He's now doing the company's computer graphics. I called her a few days back to ask how he was doing, and she couldn't say enough nice things about him. Stories like that warm your heart," Campa said. But in Santa Ana, where day laborers hang out in front of a home improvement warehouse store, the stories are not ones of success but of exploitation. It was 2 p.m. on a Thursday, and Javier Garnica, 29, Orlando Tapia, 20, and Carlos Lopez, 25, were sitting against a chain-link fence, ready to give up for the day and head to a soup kitchen near downtown to get something to eat. None of the men had been able to find a job all week. "A lot of people who hire us know that we're here illegally," Garnica said. "Many of us get paid $4 an hour. Last week we moved furniture for a lady for 12 hours, and we got $40 each. That's less than $4 per hour. She didn't even buy us lunch. Most of the contractors who hire us at least buy us lunch." A fourth friend was not there that day because he had fallen from a roof while working for a roofing company. "He slipped and cut his face horribly. He had a deep gash on his cheek. The guy who hired him told him to get away from the job site," Lopez said. "He didn't take him to a hospital or pay him. The next day when he came by he was still bleeding and the cut was becoming infected. We called the paramedics and they took him to the hospital." Lopez said that Santa Ana fire and police authorities asked them for the name of the contractor. But nobody knew who the man was. Garnica said that in desperate moments, he travels to the job centers in Costa Mesa and Orange to try to get hired without registering. "They're very strict at the centers. 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Paul- the charges were lumped together by the city when they moved us to HP... ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Press Statement demanding campaign related charges be dropped... Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:20:55 -0000 Matt, Do you think it would be helpful to itemize the charges against you guys? I think this does a great job of 'framing' the casing, but I think it's confusing about what's at stake for you guys as individuals at the same time. Paul >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Press Statement demanding campaign related charges be >dropped... >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:03:31 > >February 27, 2001 > >RE: Charges against community organizers relating to NB City Council >campaign; since moved to Highland Park due to �conflicts of interest� with >the New Brunswick Machine�s biased Municipal Court: > >RE: Kevin Jones, Joe Smith, Matthew Smith, Cliff Smith >Case# >s2000002713,sc2000017101,s2000002294,sc2000014556,s2000002714,s2000002762 >Scheduled: Monday March 19, 2001, 9AM Highland Park, NJ > > >Press Statement > >One of the most important historic tasks of our age is the preservation of >democracy and our constitutional rights. This past election season, >people >came together from across the New Brunswick community and Rutgers campus to >participate in the electoral process as a way of democratizing local >institutions: NB�s rubber stamp city council and their authoritarian, >mayoral-appointed board of education. > >We have been told all our lives that good citizenship requires >participation >in the democratic process, with the ideal that more democracy is always >better that less democracy. Unfortunately, the NB City Machine has >demonstrated that their individual self interests and financial gain are >more important than an engaged citizenry�and that democracy itself is >antithetical to their so-called master plan for the city�by violating the >rights and freedoms of a community demanding change: > >� The outright illegal and undemocratic suppression of votes, >� The illegal and unethical distribution of partisan paraphernalia inside >voting stations, >� The constant harassment and threats of community organizers before and >during the election by police and drunken machine-thugs, >� The suppression of the distribution of literature and information at >public educational institutions, >� The outright fabrication of lies about the nature of grassroots >organizations in attempts to dismiss them or undermine the validity of >their >democratic objectives, >� And finally, the physical assault of a community organizer by one of the >Mayor Cahill�s aids, Kevin Jones. > >The NB City Machine�s credibility in the eyes of the community is at an all >time low. The message has clearly been: What are you going to do about it? >This is why we will continue our struggle for democracy and justice in New >Brunswick. We call upon the Municipal Court of Highland Park to recognize >the sham justice that is taking place in New Brunswick, and that the >charges >against NB activists are directly related to political intimidation >tactics. > We also call upon them to recognize our reasons for requesting these >charges be moved out of New Brunswick courts: It is because of direct >political influence of the NB Machine upon the NB Municipal Court system >that has stripped it of its ability to deliberate fairly and without bias. > >In conclusion, we wish to make known to the Highland Park Municipal Court >our demand that New Brunswick authorities drop these politically motivated >charges. > > >Matthew Smith >New Jersey Freedom Organization >(973) 824-2949 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Press Statement From the Campaign to Win the Elected Board of Education For Immediate Release Contact Joe Smith 586 5535 can_bush@... While every city in Middlesex County prepares this April's school board elections, on March 19 organizers in NB for the Campaign for the Elected Board of Education will defend themselves in HPMC against phsyical and legal attacks from supporters of Mayor Cahill's appointed board. Including aide to the Mayor Kevin Jones, NBHS Principal Pierre Embrey, and municipal employee william Pfieffer. Campaign Coordinator Joe Smith also has charged Jones with assaulting him on election day after Smith reported Jones was wearing an illegal election ribbon which police had to force him to remove. "No amount of attacks from Cahill's goons will cover the crisis in his school system", said Smith. The High School graduates just over half enrolling freshmen and recent proficiency test results place the High School last in the County, down 6.5% from '99 to 56.5% proficient. 8th graders scored below 35%, while 4th graders averaged below 21% 9both excluding blue ribbon Woodrow Wilson). Roosevelt Elementary scored a county worst 12.7% proficiency. Cahill must held responsible for his criminal betrayal and robbing of quality education from the youth of New Brunswick.
Group protests NB Tomorrow
By Melissa Hayes
Staff Writer
Describing the non-profit community organization New Brunswick
Tomorrow as "doing the bidding" of the Johnson & Johnson
pharmaceutical corporation, the Student/Worker Organization for
Revolutionary Democracy attended the 2nd Ward Neighborhood
Block Club meeting Monday night. The meeting, held at the New
Brunswick Free Public Library on Livingston Avenue, featured New
Brunswick Tomorrow President Jeffrey Vega as a speaker.
Vega, a graduate student of urban planning and public policy,
explained the purpose of New Brunswick Tomorrow to interested
community members. He said that the group provides numerous programs,
including the creation of a career development curriculum for New
Brunswick students enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade.
Along with area Catholic charities, Vega's organization has developed
a case management program for public-assistance residents of Memorial
Homes who are facing eviction as the building is reconstructed into
several mixed-income housing units. The program evaluates what each
household needs as it relocates, crafting a customized plan for family
aid, which Vega said was an effective initiative.
But Joe Smith, a University College first-year student, disagreed.
Smith, a member of the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary
Democracy, said after the meeting that his organization is "not
satisfied with the way that [New Brunswick Tomorrow is]handling the
Memorial Homes situation."
Vega said at the meeting that Johnson & Johnson funds 6 percent of New
Brunswick Tomorrow's annual budget. Vega described Johnson & Johnson
as "one of [the group's] main contributors." Smith said that New
Brunswick Tomorrow "calls themselves a not-for-profit organization and
they try to pass it off like they have [the people's]interests [in
mind], but that's a lie." Smith insinuated that Johnson & Johnson may
possess ulterior motives for giving New Brunswick Tomorrow its annual
allotment.
"The public actually has no role in the `development' of New
Brunswick," according to a prepared statement from the organization.
Smith elaborated, saying that the public should elect members of New
Brunswick Tomorrow.
"$6 million is not just peanuts and little kids' basketball games," he
said. Smith felt that more could be done for the community with the
money. New Brunswick needs job training facilities, cultural centers
for youth and more, Smith said.
"There is no public vote on resources available," he added. Smith said
that he feels New Brunswick Tomorrow is being controlled by the
private sector and the people of New Brunswick should be given the
opportunity to be more involved with the group.
But Vega said he does not understand why Smith is against New
Brunswick Tomorrow, which he described as a benefit to the community.
He said he does not know where the animus against the group from the
Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy came from.
Charitable Choice or Compassionate �Convert�icism?? On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01). The cornerstone of the �compassionate conservative� agenda, so-called �faith-based initiatives� pose serious threats to the public safety net, public sector employment, and civil rights in general. What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of separation between church and state? AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY What are we going to do about it??? Join us in for an interactive discussion break down the myths and examine the truth behind �charitable choice� and the latest right-wing attack on democracy with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers student activist Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe Douglass College Center FREE! Sponsored by: Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian, and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO) for more info email: audreya@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
The Campaign's next general meeting is Saturday, March 3, 2001, at
2:00 p.m., at the New Brunswick Public Library, Livingston Avenue.
The Steering Committee has finalized the agenda for the meeting;
however, we are still fine-tuning a number of the specific
proposals. However, to give as much advance notice as is possible
under the circumstances, the agenda appears below.
NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
General Meeting Agenda
March 3, 2001
I. Introduction - 2:00 sharp
II. Approval of the Chair - 2:05
III. Approval of Minutes from February 10, 2001 general meeting -
2:08
IV. Approval of the Agenda 2:10
V. Discussion: Community Participation within the People's
Campaign, 2:15
VI. Adoption of Rules concerning who is a member of the Campaign,
2:40
The Steering Committee requests that the Members adopt rules
to clearly define who is a Member of the Campaign.
VII. Building of the Campaign Organization, 2:55
The Steering Committee's actual experiences over the past
year suggest that work is best done in the Campaign when (a) the
needed work is clearly defined by the membership as well as the
volunteer who will be performing it; (b) the work is delegated to a
knowledgeable and enthusiastic person who is empowered with broad
responsibilities and authority with respect to that work; (c) the
volunteer receives both training to do the job and the enthusiastic
support of other Campaign members and (d) the volunteer is
accountable to the members and the Steering Committee for their job.
The Steering Committee will present for discussion and
approval, a proposal for principal positions within the Campaign.
VIII. Introductory Discussion of the New Brunswick People's
Campaign Mission Statement, emphasizing our commitment to promoting
political and cultural self-determination for all people, 3:20
IX. Election of Alternate Members of the Steering Committee (in
accordance with the Membership's instructions of 2/10/01), 3:40
X. Discussion of the Rights and Responsibilities of Members, 3:55
The Steering Committee will request that the Members adopt a
Code of Civil Conduct.
XI. Absentee ballot procedure, 4:10
In accordance with the Membership's orders at the 2/10/01 meeting,
the Steering Committee announces that telephonic or paper absentee
ballots may be cast by any person who is a member of the Campaign (as
we have defined earlier) for elected positions within the Campaign.
To cast an absentee ballot, the person must contact a member of the
Steering Committee by the third day before a meeting. The Steering
Committee member will give further instructions about the ballot.
We also introduce for your consideration, and for discussion and
adoption at the next meeting, procedural rules to govern absentee
balloting.
XII. Announcement of Upcoming General Membership Meeting dates.
The Campaign's meetings will be held on the last Saturday of
each month, unless holidays intervene. Thus, the schedule of
meetings for the upcoming month is as follows.
March 31; April 28; June 2; June 30; July 28.
All meetings are held at 2:00 at the New Brunswick Public
Library, Livingston Avenue, New Brunswick:
XIII. Please consider the following issues which will be discussed
at the next meeting (in addition to the items mentioned above):
A. What should be the Campaign's involvement, if any, in the
2001 gubernatorial elections?
XIV. Updates on other items from last meeting: press conference,
third party forums, phone tree, membership lists, 4:25
XV. General announcements: social events, forums, press
conferences, court hearings, municipal meetings, etc., 4:30
XVI. Adjournment and cleanup, 4:40 p.m.
A quorum of the Steering Committee has approved of the following proposal regarding who is a member of the Campaign. It will be submitted to the membership for a vote at the March 3, 2001 meeting. MEMBERSHIP OF THE CAMPAIGN A. Members of the Campaign are: 1. New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens or not, upon appearing at a general meeting or a convention meeting; 2. Non-New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens or not, who have within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign, upon attending a full general meeting or convention meeting of the Campaign; and 3. Any person under age 13, whether a citizen or not, who has within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign. B. A person who supports the Campaign and who has performed actual work for the Campaign but whose schedule does not allow them to attend meetings may be made a member by vote of the Steering Committee. C. A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to the purposes of the Campaign.
A quorum of the Steering Committee has approved the attached proposal concerning key jobs within the Campaign. It will be submitted to the membership for discussion and approval at the March 3, 2001 meeting. (see item VII of the agenda) PROPOSAL FOR PRINCIPAL POSITIONS WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN Proposal for principal positions within the Campaign (Specific duties to be decided upon by the volunteer and the Steering Committee): 1. Coordinator of Advocacy for Education and Youth Activities 2. Coordinator of Advocacy for Police Oversight and Criminal Justice issues 3. Coordinator of Advocacy for Housing and Rent Control issues 4. Coordinator of Advocacy for Economic Development and Job/Career Issues 5. Director of Media Relations 6. Director of Publishing/Newspapers 7. Director of Fundraising 8. Treasurer 9. Director of Special Investigations 10. Other positions suggested at the meeting.
The Steering Committee presents for your consideration and approval at the March 3, 2001 meeting the attached Statement of Rights and Responsibilities. (This is the last of the attachments concerning the agenda). Thanks for taking the time to look at them, and I hope to see everyone there on Thursday! -- Flavio STATEMENT OF RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES The New Brunswick People's Campaign is an association committed to inclusion of all persons who share its objectives, and has adopted this Statement to foster this atmosphere of inclusion. Nevertheless, mindful that vigorous political debate will necessarily occur within this organization, these precepts are not meant to stifle legitimate political debate in any manner. 1. No Campaign member may purposely, knowingly or recklessly cause bodily injury to, or attempt to cause bodily injury to: (a) another Campaign member; or (b) any person, while performing work for the Campaign. 2. No Campaign member may engage in threatening, harassing, or menacing behavior toward: (a) another Campaign member; or (b) any person, while performing work for the Campaign. 3. Behavior is threatening, harassing, or menacing when: (a) it creates actual fear or intimidation in the person or persons to whom it is directed or in a person or persons who actually see and/or hear the behavior in question; and (b) a reasonable person would experience fear or intimidation from such behavior. 4. No Campaign member may: (a) through speech or conduct, express contempt or scorn for any person on account of their race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, age, marital status, sex, affectional or sexual orientation, atypical cellular hereditary blood trait, veteran status, liability for service in the Armed Forces, or mental or physical disability; or (b) purposely, knowingly, or recklessly discriminate against any person on account of any of the traits set forth in section (a) hereof. A Campaign member who engages in such conduct does not do so on behalf of the Campaign and may be sanctioned as provided in this Statement. 5. Any Campaign member aware of a possible violation of this Statement shall personally discuss it with a Steering Committee member, or with a person who promises to discuss it with a Steering Committee member. 6. A Steering Committee member, after learning of a possible violation, shall attempt to mediate or resolve the dispute in consultation with other Steering Committee members. 7. If the intervention of the Steering Committee does not resolve the situation, any Campaign member has the right to present the issue formally to the Steering Committee, making the specific charges under oath. Such member may request sanctions, up to and including expulsion of the alleged offender. As with all decisions of the Steering Committee, any person dissatisfied with the Steering Committee's resolution may appeal the decision at a general meeting. 8. The conduct described in Sections 1, 2, or 4 above, if engaged in at a meeting, is per se conduct out of order, and the Chair of such a meeting may sanction a person engaging in such conduct, up to and including expelling him or her from the meeting. As with all decisions of the Chair, any person dissatisfied with the Chair's decision may appeal the decision to the membership.
I think we need to think of positions in the campaign along these lines... this is good for a suggested structure, but the membership mainly needs to be involved in creating structure, the group itself needs to experience creative discussion. I don't know if that's all-together possible at a large meeting. People can put their two cents in, but for every person at the meeting, there may be ten or fifteen questions and comments. I think experienced folks know that it's often hard to get your comments in at a meeting of ten, much less fifty or so... I think both trends need to be worked on together- topdown and bottomup. Paul >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] MARCH 3 MEETING-ITEM VII (BUILDING OF THE CAMPAIGN >ORGANIZATION) >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:36:14 -0000 > >A quorum of the Steering Committee has approved the attached proposal >concerning key jobs within the Campaign. It will be submitted to the >membership for discussion and approval at the March 3, 2001 meeting. >(see item VII of the agenda) > >PROPOSAL FOR PRINCIPAL POSITIONS >WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN > > >Proposal for principal positions within the Campaign (Specific duties >to be decided upon by the volunteer and the Steering Committee): > >1. Coordinator of Advocacy for Education and Youth Activities >2. Coordinator of Advocacy for Police Oversight and Criminal Justice >issues >3. Coordinator of Advocacy for Housing and Rent Control issues >4. Coordinator of Advocacy for Economic Development and Job/Career >Issues >5. Director of Media Relations >6. Director of Publishing/Newspapers >7. Director of Fundraising >8. Treasurer >9. Director of Special Investigations >10. Other positions suggested at the meeting. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: Pacifica Campaign <pacificacampaign@...> To: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> Subject: Pacifica Campaign Censorship Alert Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 00:08:52 -0500 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MARCH 1, 2001 E-MAIL: PACIFICACAMPAIGN@... PACIFICA CAMPAIGN CONDEMNS CENSORSHIP OF DEMOCRACY NOW! SHAMEFUL ACTION UNDERSCORES NEED FOR NEW LEADERSHIP NEW YORK -- Pacifica Radio�s censorship of a commentary by death row prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal on Democracy Now! Wednesday highlights the continuing disregard for journalistic integrity and free speech at the 52-year-old network. Pacifica station WPFW in Washington DC cut off Abu-Jamal�s commentary in mid-stream just as he started talking about the December firings at Pacifica station WBAI. Shortly after the commentary was over, WPFW returned to Democracy Now! �The naked hostility towards open dialogue and the free exchange of ideas hurts Pacifica journalists and listeners. It�s an affront to free speech principles and enormously damages the credibility of the network,� said Juan Gonzalez, the coordinator of the Pacifica Campaign, a month old organization calling for the resignation of the Pacifica Radio Board. Still, the censorship continues. Today, Pacifica station KPFT in Houston cut into Democracy Now! when host Amy Goodman said that she was looking forward to seeing people at the Pacifica National Board meeting at the Doubletree Hotel in Houston this weekend. Goodman also announced that she would be speaking Friday night at the MECA center on Kane St. �What are Pacifica executives afraid of? By arbitrarily censoring their own journalists, the present management and Board leadership has shown that they are unfit to lead any news organization, let alone a network like Pacifica which has historically been at the cutting edge of free speech,� said Bok-keem Nyerere, a staff member of the Pacifica Campaign. Mumia Abu-Jamal�s commentaries focus on everything from fatherhood to �mad cow� disease. They have run on Democracy Now! for the past four years. Ironically, Pacifica executives had previously protested the censorship of Mumia�s commentaries on Democracy Now! In 1997, WRTI-FM, a Philadelphia station with 11 affiliates across the state, canceled its contract with Pacifica Radio following the airing of an Abu-Jamal commentary on Democracy Now! The Pacifica Campaign is urging all concerned about free speech to protest these egregious acts of censorship which are being endorsed by a corporate clique that has hijacked the Pacifica Board. Call today for the resignation of all Pacifica Board officers. 1) Pacifica Board Chair David Acosta A Houston CPA at a family firm, David Acosta�s work number is 713-926-4604. His home number is (713) 660-8212. As a Pacifica listener, staffer and/or contributor, let your voice be heard. Please tell David Acosta that he -- and all Board officers -- must resign from the Pacifica National Board immediately. 2) Pacifica Board Treasurer Micheal Palmer He is a Vice President at CB Richard Ellis in Houston, the world�s largest commercial real estate services firm. Call his boss, Managing Director Will Penland, at 713-840-6501. Please let Mr. Will Penland know that Micheal Palmer is tarnishing the name of CB Richard Ellis because of the mismanagement and censorship at Pacifica Radio. Ask Mr. Penland to urge that Micheal Palmer resign from the Pacifica Board. Be polite but be firm. (F) ********************************************** Mailing Address: The Pacifica Campaign 51 MacDougal St., #80 NY, NY 10012 Tel: (646) 230-9588 www.pacificacampaign.org pacificacampaign@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:56:48 -0500 From: "Feldenkreiss, Mary" <felden@...> To: GRANTNET_AH@... Subject: GrantNet March - Arts & Humanities AH-1353 New Jersey State Council on the Arts Various Grant Programs The New Jersey State Council on the Arts (NJSCA) awards grants on a highly competitive basis, employing standardized criteria for eligibility and evaluation published in guidelines and convening panels of independent experts in the various fields of endeavor for objective feedback and recommendations. Only non-profit organizations or New Jersey artists may be considered for NJSCA funding. Generally, the grants are organized by the artistic discipline of the applicant which, in addition to dance, theater, music, crafts, etc., also includes arts basic to education, presenting organizations and folk arts. Historically, grant recipients over-match the Council's funding nearly 15:1. Deadlines vary by program. Please visit the website for more information. <http://www.njartscouncil.org/program2.html> Deadline: Vary by program _____ AH-1354 National Endowment for the Arts Funding Opportunities The arts reflect the past, enrich the present, and imagine the future. The National Endowment for the Arts, an investment in America's living cultural heritage, serves the public good by nurturing the expression of human creativity, supporting the cultivation of community spirit, and fostering the recognition and appreciation of the excellence and diversity of our nation's artistic accomplishments. Please visit the website for various funding opportunities and programs. Deadlines vary by program. <http://www.arts.endow.gov> Deadline: Vary by program _____ AH-1355 National Endowment for the Humanities Grant and Fellowship Programs The Endowment's mission is to enrich American cultural life by promoting the study of history and culture. NEH grants typically go to individuals and cultural institutions such as museums, archives, libraries, colleges, universities, historical societies, public television and radio stations. The grants: * preserve and provide access to cultural and educational resources * strengthen teaching and learning in schools and colleges * promote research and original scholarship * provide opportunities for lifelong learning * strengthen the institutional base of the humanities Deadlines vary by program. Please visit website for more informaiton. <http://www.neh.fed.us/grants/guidelines.html> Deadline: Vary by program _____ ID-1356 Spain Ministry of Education and Culture Program for Cultural Cooperation In the spring of 1983, the Spanish Government's Minister of Culture and a distinguished group of Hispanicists from United States academic institutions decided to create a Program for Cultural Cooperation between Spain's Ministry of Education and Culture and US universities. The program was officially inaugurated in October of that year. The program is designed to promote closer ties between scholarly Hispanicism in the US in the areas of humanities, social sciences, and the cultural and academic developments of Spain. Projects oriented toward the dissemination of Spanish culture throughout the academic systems of the US are reviewed for subsidy. Priority is given to those proposals of high scholarly quality which will have an important impact upon the field of Hispanicism, both regionally and nationwide. Since its conception, the program has granted a considerable amount of subsidies supporting a variety of events. Proposals encompass visiting professorships; the publication of scholarly journals, translations, and literary texts; symposia, film series, and exhibitions; and dissertation scholarships. More than 300 US academic institutions have benefited from these subsidies. <http://www.umabroad.umn.edu/pub/pcc/pcc.html> Deadline: 4/2/01 _____ Mary Feldenkreiss Information Specialist Office of Research & Sponsored Programs 58 Bevier Road Piscataway, NJ 08854-8010 ASB Annex II - Busch Campus 732/445-5096 732/445-3257 http://orsp.rutgers.edu
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:58:05 -0500 From: "Feldenkreiss, Mary" <felden@...> To: GRANTNET_ED@... Subject: GrantNet March - Education ED-1288 American Educational Research Foundation AERA Postdoctoral Fellows Program With support from the National Science Foundation (NSF), the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), and the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), the AERA Grants Program announces its POSTDOCTORAL FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM. The program's goal is to build the capacity for conducting quality quantitative research in education policy by providing support and encouragement to promising scholars at the beginning of their careers. The program enables researchers to engage in a year of postdoctoral research and scholarship while working with a qualified mentor at an institution of higher education. Minority researchers are strongly encouraged to apply. The AERA Grants Program Postdoctoral Fellowships are 1-year, non- renewable fellowships that provide researchers an opportunity to conduct independent research under the guidance of a qualified mentor, preferably within a school of education at a host institution of higher education. Research topics may cover a wide range of education policy-related issues that include but are not limited to: school persistence and career entry; teachers and teaching, including supply, quality, and demand; policies and practices related to achievement; policies and practices that influence student and parental attitudes; contextual factors (individual, curricular, and school related) in education; education in middle schools; educational participation and persistence (kindergarten through graduate school); at-risk students; early childhood education; US education in an international context; school finance; materials (curriculum) development, research and informal science education; undergraduate science, engineering, and mathematics education; the supply (pipeline) of students taking mathematics and science courses from K-12; research and career development; higher education; and the quality of educational institutions. Contact Jeanie Murdock (phone 805-964-5264 or email aera@...) if you have questions. Other deadlines are September 5, 2001 and January 5, 2002. No website given Deadline: 3/5/01 _____ ED-1299 National Science Foundation Elementary, Secondary, and Informal Education: Informal Science Education and ASCEND Projects Informal Science Education (ISE) activities provide rich and stimulating opportunities outside formal school settings where individuals of all ages, interests, and backgrounds increase their appreciation and understanding of science, mathematics, engineering, and technology. ISE projects take place in diverse environments (e.g., museums, zoos, arboreta, community centers, homes) and involve the use of various media (e.g., broadcast, film, interactive technology, print, exhibits). Projects typically are designed to reach large audiences or to have the potential for significant national or regional impact. To broaden its impact, ISE promotes collaborations among organizations that have similar goals, especially when projects can bridge the informal and formal education communities. Through collaborations, partners combine their resources and expertise to develop effective strategies for reaching target audiences. A special class of projects, NSF After School Centers for Exploration and New Discovery (ASCEND), is part of ISE's community-based program activities. Informal Science Education Preliminary, No Later Than-March 5; Full-May 31 Preliminary, No Later Than-August 2; Full-November 15 Except for the following: - ASCEND Projects Preliminary-August 14; Full-November 15 <http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0160/nsf0160.txt> Deadline: 3/5/01 _____ ED-1300 National Science Foundation Elementary, Secondary, and Informal Education: Instructional Materials Development (IMD) Instructional Materials Development (IMD) projects create instructional materials and student assessments that change classroom instruction and assessment in grades preK-12, enabling students to acquire a sophisticated understanding of science, mathematics, and technology. The materials incorporate investigative, inquiry-based science, mathematics, and technology (SMT) activities and align with national standards for content, teaching, and assessment. IMD-supported materials promote the success of all students and promote positive student attitudes toward science, mathematics, and technology. Projects range from major revision of existing materials to the creation of new ones; from a few modules at a single instructional level to comprehensive curricula for several school years; from a focus on a single topic to the integration of several SMT disciplines; and from assessments embedded in classroom materials to the creation of assessment items and full assessment programs that may be used by districts and states. All projects include comprehensive plans for national dissemination and implementation to ensure the use of the materials in numerous and diverse settings. <http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0160/nsf0160.txt> Deadline: 5/9/01 _____ ED-1301 National Science Foundation Elementary, Secondary, and Informal Education: Teacher Enhancement (TE) and Applied Research Teacher Enhancement (TE) projects provide professional development opportunities to broaden and deepen the disciplinary knowledge and pedagogical skills of teachers, thus improving their ability to deliver rich and challenging SMT education to all students. Through active involvement of administrators, projects address the need to provide requisite resources to support SMT education reform. TE supports projects that: (1) develop the capacity of schools and teachers to implement a high-quality, standards-based SMT program for all students; (2) develop leaders in content, pedagogy, and professional development; (3) improve retention rates of novice teachers during their initial years of teaching; (4) create professional development materials for teachers; and (5) include innovative applications and effective implementation of educational technologies. Emphasis is placed on projects that focus on professional development of teachers as a primary driver for implementing SMT education reform. Applied Research. ESIE has a strong commitment to applied research that assesses the effectiveness and impact of its programs in enhancing learning and instruction in science, mathematics, and technology in both formal and informal educational settings. The purpose of this effort is to ensure that all ESIE programs are firmly grounded in a solid research base and that their projects benefit from this knowledge. Applied research provides important feedback for strengthening ESIE's portfolio and for identifying new programmatic directions. <http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0160/nsf0160.txt> Deadline: 5/18/01 _____ ID-1262 Department of Defense National Security Education Program Objectives of the program is to equip Americans with an understanding of less commonly taught languages and cultures and enable the nation to remain integrally involved in global issues related to U.S. National Security; to build a critical base of future leaders both in government service and in higher education, who have cultivated international relationships and worked and studied alongside experts of other countries; to develop a cadre of professionals with more than the traditional knowledge of language and culture who can use this ability to help the U.S. make sound decisions on and deal effectively with global issues related to U.S. National Security; and to enhance institutional capacity and increase the number of faculty who can educate U.S. citizens toward achieving these goals. <http://www.ndu.edu/nsep/> Deadline: 4/9/01 _____ ID-1271 Department of State Master's Degree Program in Business Administration for Croatia The Office of Global Educational Programs of the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs in the Department of State announces an open competition for an assistance award to support the Consortium of Faculties of Economics in Croatia as the Consortium develops a full- time Master's Degree program in Business Administration to be based in the city of Zadar. Core program instruction for the MBA program will take place in Zadar during the second year of the program, once a curriculum is developed in collaboration with the Consortium of Faculties of Economics. Accredited post-secondary educational institutions and other organizations meeting the provisions described in IRS regulation 26 CFR 1.501(c) may submit proposals that address these objectives. The means for achieving these objectives may include curriculum development, faculty training, case study development, consultation, research, distance education, internship training and professional outreach to public and private sector managers and entrepreneurs. <http://exchanges.state.gov/education/rfgps/menu.htm> Deadline: 4/27/01 _____ ID-1287 American Educational Research Foundation Research Fellows Program With support from the National Science Foundation (NSF) and National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), the American Educational Research Association (AERA) Grants Program announces its Research Fellows Program. The program provides opportunities for beginning researchers, including advanced graduate students and researchers who have recently completed their doctorate (within the last seven years), to focus on policy-related research while in residence at either NCES or NSF. Research Fellows will work with the agency's professional staff to become familiar with the agency's programs and relevant databases. Each Research Fellow will be expected to undertake a research project related to the agency's mission. Minority researchers are strongly encouraged to apply. Background The AERA Grants Program has two main objectives for the Research Fellows Program: (1) to strengthen communications between U.S. scholars in the educational research community and those in government agencies, and (2) to enhance the capability of U.S. scholars to practice policy-relevant and basic research using the rich data sources at NCES and NSF, including those focusing on mathematics and science education issues. Contact Jeanie Murdock (phone 805-964-5264 or email aera@...) if you have questions. Other deadlines are September 5, 2001 and January 5, 2002. No website given Deadline: 3/5/01 _____ ID-1302 National Science Foundation NSF Director's Award for Distinguished Teaching Scholars (DTS) The National Science Foundation (NSF) seeks to promote improvements in the education of undergraduates who enroll in science, mathematics, engineering, or technology (SMET) courses. The NSF Director's Award for Distinguished Teaching Scholars (DTS) recognizes and rewards individuals with distinguished records of educating undergraduates while also contributing significantly to the scholarship of a SMET discipline. DTS is part of NSF's efforts to promote an academic culture that values and rewards members of the community who contribute to both disciplinary scholarship and the SMET education of undergraduates, including students who are not majoring in SMET disciplines. The Director's Award is the highest honor bestowed by the NSF for excellence in both teaching and research in SMET fields, or in educational research related to these disciplines. The awards will be conferred at a ceremony held at the National Science Foundation. LETTER OF INTENT DUE DATE(S) (optional): March 30, 2001 FULL PROPOSAL DEADLINE(S): May 10, 2001 <http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0164/nsf0164.htm> Deadline: 5/10/01 _____ ID-1303 National Science Foundation Course, Curriculum, and Laboratory Improvement (CCLI) The Course, Curriculum, and Laboratory Improvement (CCLI) program seeks to improve the quality of Science, Mathematics, Engineering, and Technological (SMET) education for all students and targets activities affecting learning environments, course content, curricula, and educational practices. The program has three tracks: 1. Educational Materials Development (CCLI-EMD) Projects are expected to produce innovative materials that incorporate effective educational practices to improve student learning of science, mathematics, engineering, and technology. Projects to develop textbooks, software, or laboratory materials for commercial distribution are appropriate. Two types of EMD projects will be supported: a) those that intend to demonstrate the scientific and educational feasibility of an idea, a "proof of concept" or prototype, and b) those based on prior experience with a prototype that intend to fully develop the product or practice. Such materials are expected to be disseminated nationally for adoption and adaptation. 2. Adaptation and Implementation (CCLI-A&I) Projects are expected to result in improved education in science, mathematics, engineering and technology at academic institutions through adaptation and implementation of exemplary materials, laboratory experiences, and/or educational practices that have been developed and tested at other institutions. Proposals may request funds in any budget category supported by NSF, or may request funds to purchase only instrumentation. 3. National Dissemination (CCLI-ND) Projects are expected to provide faculty with professional development opportunities to enable them to introduce new content into undergraduate courses and laboratories, and to explore effective educational practices to improve their teaching effectiveness. Projects should be designed to offer workshops, short courses, or similar activities on a national scale in single or multiple disciplines. LETTER OF INTENT DUE DATE(S) (optional): April 23, 2001 FULL PROPOSAL DEADLINE(S) :June 5, 2001 A&I Track June 6, 2001 EMD and ND Tracks <http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0158/nsf0158.htm> Deadline: 6/5/01 _____ Mary Feldenkreiss Information Specialist Office of Research & Sponsored Programs 58 Bevier Road Piscataway, NJ 08854-8010 ASB Annex II - Busch Campus 732/445-5096 732/445-3257 http://orsp.rutgers.edu
Paul, I drew it straight out of the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination, NJSA 10:5-12. I am fairly sure that it means sickle cell but I am not certain. Our purpose was to make clear that we do not tolerate any kind of discrimination. If we get the sense from the room that it (or any of the proposals) are either too formalistic or top-down, it's outta there. But having said that, as the organization grows, there are a few things that need to be formally set down. One of them is that we expect new members that join us, like the existing members, to have an ethic of NO discrimination and NO abusive behavior, and that a person who doesn't like these norms will be talked to about it. The Statement of Rights and Reponsibilities, as we saw it, sets this down without infringing vigorous debate or speech. I am looking forward to hearing additional input about it on Saturday. Flavio ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul McGee <shorepaulie@...> To: <Groovemeister007@...> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: (RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF MEMBERS) > Groovie meister, What's 'atypical cellular hereditary blood trait' doing in > here? Are you referring to sickle cells? Don't you think you've gone a bit > too far? We don't want to seem too formalistic and top-down...In Unity, > Paul > > > >From: Groovemeister007@... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] MARCH 3 AGENDA-ITEM X (RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF > >MEMBERS) > >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:48:57 -0000 > > > >The Steering Committee presents for your consideration and approval > >at the March 3, 2001 meeting the attached Statement of Rights and > >Responsibilities. (This is the last of the attachments concerning > >the agenda). Thanks for taking the time to look at them, and I hope > >to see everyone there on Thursday! -- Flavio > > > > > >STATEMENT OF RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign is an association > >committed to inclusion of all persons who share its objectives, and > >has adopted this Statement to foster this atmosphere of inclusion. > >Nevertheless, mindful that vigorous political debate will necessarily > >occur within this organization, these precepts are not meant to > >stifle legitimate political debate in any manner. > > > > 1. No Campaign member may purposely, knowingly or > >recklessly cause bodily injury to, or attempt to cause bodily injury > >to: > > (a) another Campaign member; or > > (b) any person, while performing work for the Campaign. > > > > 2. No Campaign member may engage in threatening, > >harassing, or menacing behavior toward: > > (a) another Campaign member; or > > (b) any person, while performing work for the Campaign. > > > > 3. Behavior is threatening, harassing, or menacing when: > > (a) it creates actual fear or intimidation in the person > >or persons to whom it is directed or in a person or persons who > >actually see and/or hear the behavior in question; and > > (b) a reasonable person would experience fear or > >intimidation from such behavior. > > > > 4. No Campaign member may: (a) through speech or > >conduct, express contempt or scorn for any person on account of their > >race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, age, marital status, > >sex, affectional or sexual orientation, atypical cellular hereditary > >blood trait, veteran status, liability for service in the Armed > >Forces, or mental or physical disability; or (b) purposely, > >knowingly, or recklessly discriminate against any person on account > >of any of the traits set forth in section (a) hereof. A Campaign > >member who engages in such conduct does not do so on behalf of the > >Campaign and may be sanctioned as provided in this Statement. > > > > 5. Any Campaign member aware of a possible violation of > >this Statement shall personally discuss it with a Steering Committee > >member, or with a person who promises to discuss it with a Steering > >Committee member. > > > > 6. A Steering Committee member, after learning of a > >possible violation, shall attempt to mediate or resolve the dispute > >in consultation with other Steering Committee members. > > > > 7. If the intervention of the Steering Committee does > >not resolve the situation, any Campaign member has the right to > >present the issue formally to the Steering Committee, making the > >specific charges under oath. Such member may request sanctions, up > >to and including expulsion of the alleged offender. As with all > >decisions of the Steering Committee, any person dissatisfied with the > >Steering Committee's resolution may appeal the decision at a general > >meeting. > > > > 8. The conduct described in Sections 1, 2, or 4 above, > >if engaged in at a meeting, is per se conduct out of order, and the > >Chair of such a meeting may sanction a person engaging in such > >conduct, up to and including expelling him or her from the meeting. > >As with all decisions of the Chair, any person dissatisfied with the > >Chair's decision may appeal the decision to the membership. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >
> XII. Announcement of Upcoming General Membership Meeting dates. > > The Campaign's meetings will be held on the last Saturday of > each month, unless holidays intervene. Thus, the schedule of > meetings for the upcoming month is as follows. > > March 31; April 28; June 2; June 30; July 28. Heh. I can't wait to see who shows up for this one.
Keith- Great article- Though I would include aline toward the end drawing
out the dialectical relationship and distinction between the local and
national struggle...
ie: "We too most utilize the lesser of two evil tactic [at the broader
state and national level while building peoples democratic movement to sieze
power at the local level]
as the only way to build our strength,
unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy
--Matthew
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From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: "nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com" <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [nbpc] article
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1980 18:04:33 -0500
This is my article for upcoming People' Campaign NewsPaper
McGreevy For Governor, New Jersey Must Not Be Bushwhacked
By Keith Joseph
The People's Campaign, progressives, revolutionaries, and anyone
interested in seeing the movement for democracy advance must support
McGreevy this November in the race for governor in New Jersey. Either of
the potential Republican candidates would be a disaster. Not only for
New Jersey but also for the entire nation. The National Republican
leadership has announced that the New Jersey gubernatorial election will
be an opportunity for Bush's appointment as President of the United
States to be legitimated. We can not allow this to happen. We must make
the defeat of the Republicans in this election a protest against Bush's
presidency as well as the electoral college that made it possible.
The Green Party has threatened to run a candidate despite the fact
Nader's candidacy delivered the people into the bloody hands of Bush.
They continue to posture as progressives yet the results of their
efforts could not be more reactionary. They already assisted in giving
us Bush and now they threaten to do the same in New Jersey.
Actively participating in McGreevy's campaign would allow the
People's Campaign and progressive forces to build momentum for the local
elections in New Brunswick and Newark in 2002. We will be able to
register voters and also make the connections and build the networks
necessary for our future efforts. The working class and democratic small
businesses, students and professionals are obviously the constituency we
are seeking, it should also be obvious that they are connected in some
way to the Democratic Party. One reason for this is that they understand
the lesser of two evil tactic very clearly. In this country most people
are voting against a politician rather than for one. We too most utilize
the lesser of two evil tactic, as the only way to build our strength,
unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy. Clearly
and openly uniting with working people and democratic middle classes in
their opposition to Republican reaction at the national and statewide
level is the only path to unity at the local level against Mayor Cahil
in 2002.
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hi I am looking for Darryl if anyone knows how I can get in touch with him via phone or email, please let me know. Louise _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
subverter@... is last e-mail address i have for daryle. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@h...> wrote: > hi > > I am looking for Darryl if anyone knows how I can get in touch with him via > phone or email, please let me know. > > Louise > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
upcoming court case for cliff matt and myself. we need people' campaign membership to write up letters to the editors for the local papers on our behalf. 2-3 paragraphs is sufficient along with name address and phone # of author so papers can check source. people can e-mail me can_bush@... and i'll be able to get letters to papers. PC members should be able to have a dozen letters done in next few days. joe 586.5535
Hi all The Education/ youth program will be holding the first of a monthly discussion group on education in conjunction with our education program. On Sunday March 18 at 6pm at 136 Baldwin Street we discuss Chapter 2 in Paulo Friere's The Pedagogy of the Oppressed- (on the Banking concept of education). Let me know if you need a copy of the piece. We may show a short documentary as well. Thanks Louise & Sam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hey Lou, DLJ's email address is 'subverter@...'. he's seriously chasing the right around the country. That should be the best way to get him. Paul >From: "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] trying to contact DLJ >Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:14:23 -0500 > >hi > >I am looking for Darryl if anyone knows how I can get in touch with him via >phone or email, please let me know. > >Louise >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Keith, I have a few concerns about your article...First, I'm not sure who your audience is. I think the article will be most clear to revolutionaries who think electoral politics are important. This paper will go out to New Brunswick residents in general. Very few NB voters to be prodded to vote democrat. I think the main issue is whether people even decide to vote in gub. elections. The article also assumes the distinctions between rep and dem are obvious. I don't know if they are unless you look at the issues. I agree with most of what you write, but I think we need to represent the issues as clearly as possible if people are going to think critically about fighting for democracy, much less revolution. Paul --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > This is my article for upcoming People' Campaign NewsPaper > > McGreevy For Governor, New Jersey Must Not Be Bushwhacked > > By Keith Joseph > > The People's Campaign, progressives, revolutionaries, and anyone > interested in seeing the movement for democracy advance must support > McGreevy this November in the race for governor in New Jersey. Either of > the potential Republican candidates would be a disaster. Not only for > New Jersey but also for the entire nation. The National Republican > leadership has announced that the New Jersey gubernatorial election will > be an opportunity for Bush's appointment as President of the United > States to be legitimated. We can not allow this to happen. We must make > the defeat of the Republicans in this election a protest against Bush's > presidency as well as the electoral college that made it possible. > The Green Party has threatened to run a candidate despite the fact > Nader's candidacy delivered the people into the bloody hands of Bush. > They continue to posture as progressives yet the results of their > efforts could not be more reactionary. They already assisted in giving > us Bush and now they threaten to do the same in New Jersey. > Actively participating in McGreevy's campaign would allow the > People's Campaign and progressive forces to build momentum for the local > elections in New Brunswick and Newark in 2002. We will be able to > register voters and also make the connections and build the networks > necessary for our future efforts. The working class and democratic small > businesses, students and professionals are obviously the constituency we > are seeking, it should also be obvious that they are connected in some > way to the Democratic Party. One reason for this is that they understand > the lesser of two evil tactic very clearly. In this country most people > are voting against a politician rather than for one. We too most utilize > the lesser of two evil tactic, as the only way to build our strength, > unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy. Clearly > and openly uniting with working people and democratic middle classes in > their opposition to Republican reaction at the national and statewide > level is the only path to unity at the local level against Mayor Cahil > in 2002.
----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Transcript of the Joint Statement read by Janice K Bryant Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:21:18 -0000 Transcript of the Joint Statement of the united movement for a free Pacifica, read by WBAI's Janice K Bryant, Sunday, March 5, 2001 at the Pacifica National Board meeting in Houston, Texas. ================================== My name is Janice K. Bryant. I'm a banned producer from WBAI (applause and cheers) I was the line producer of Wake Up Call, the morning show, for 6 years. The unpaid volunteer. I'd like to make an aside. As far as the grievance procedures that Ms. Wash spoke to, I know for a fact - this is not hearsay - I have two grievances, alone. Sharan Harper's grievance has gone...she is the fired producer of Wake Up Call...her grievance has gone to the NLRB. And what they're...in February, as an unfair labor practice. It was filed there by the union. I have a statement here that I'm going to read, three minutes long. It was put together by scores of people from accross the country, from all five signal areas. Fifty-two years ago, Lew Hill launched the Pacifica Network with a vision. A vision of radio being used to foster peace, justice, community and understanding among diverse peoples. 1949 was an ominous moment in our history. Then as now, sinister forces were on the rise in America. The Bomb had just been invented. McCarthyism was gaining strength. A global empire was being constructed by violence and deceit. Nonetheless, fearless, thought- provoking exploration of the issues and ideas of the day was Pacifica's guiding mission. Today, we believe that mission is as relevant as ever. However, to our deep dismay, that vision has been repreatedly betrayed in the past ten years. Pacifica's National Board, and the bureaucracy it spawned, has violated the trust of hundreds of thousands of loyal listener-sponsors accross the country. We denouce and condemn the following: 1) The firing and banning of hundreds of producers and volunteers. 2) The reduction of ethnic and cultural diversity of local programs. 3) The use of the gag rule to silence dissent. 4) The illegitimate nature of this Board: the presence of Board members whose terms have expired (applause) and the illegal by- laws changes of '97 that allowed the number of at-large directors to greatly increase. 5) The complete and illegal exclusion of the local advisory boards from the role they are supposed to play (applause) in Pacifica's democratic governance. 6) Proposed new by-laws that would enable five Board members to authorize the sale of a station 7) The sloppy management of finances and the lack of access to Pacifica's financial records for the past six years. 8) The use of hostile, union-busting tactics at a network that has always prided itself on its support of workers and their struggles. 9) The extension of the role of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting in the finances and internal affairs of Pacifica. 10) The depoliticization of program content which abets the rightward drift in US culture. 11) The recent hiring, for an unspecified sum of money, of a PR firm that is being used to slander and defame Pacifica's critics. 12) The closure of KPFA for twenty-three days and for its armed occupation during July-August 1999. 13} The Christmas Coup of WBAI that has led to the gutting of the most successful, in terms of audience size, donations and journalism awards, of Pacifica's five stations. 14) The extreme and unrelenting harassment and abuse of Amy Goodman and the attempt to impose editorial control over her award-winning news program. 15) The use of the race card...that's right, I said...the race card to divide and pit people against each other. (applause) Several hundred people from around the country who love this network have rallied to its defense in Houston this weekend. With the exception of a half-dozen dissident Board members who continue to defend Pacifica's democratic tradition, we found the Board's behavior yesterday to be condescending and disingenuous. Just now we've listened to you *seem* to regard our deep concerns about has happened at WBAI in the past two weeks but we're not really sure that you are listening to us. And it seems that the Board's ruling majority is truly unable, or unwilling, to understand the concerns of its growing legions of critics. Our differences are irreconcilable. Irreconcilable. I'll say it again, our differences are irreconcilable. The only thing we will negotiate with you are the terms of your departure. (applause) In the coming months we will be conducting an escalating campaign of community organizing as well as massive, non-violent direct action against the illegally seated Pacifica Board members. We see around us a growing pro-democracy movement, both in this country and around the world. (applause). Pacifica is not a jukebox. It should be, and will be, at the forefront of this movement, just as it has been at the forefront of every major social justice movement in the past 50 years. This can only begin to happen with your departure. We demand that you step down and that the Pacifica Board be reconstituted along democratic lines. We say,... (ALL) Resign Now! (at this point the audience turns its back on the board at chants "resign now!" then the chant morphs to "democracy now!" then breaks into song "nananana nanana hey hey e-yyy goodbye" nananana nananana hey hey eyy, resign" (The singing crowd was ecorted out of the meeting room by security guards) ________________________ http://www.radio4all.org http://www.radio4all.org/freepacifica Public PGP Block: http://www.radio4all.org/pgp/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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From: siddharta5@...
To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Building Bridges Pulled Off The Air
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:09:13 -0000
Friends: (report from Lyn Gerry)
Ken Nash and his guests on Building Bridges were pulled of the air
abruptly today by interim station manager Utrice Leid, who said
she believed that lies had been told by Ken and his guest, Rep.
Major Owens.
Ken opened the program by reading a statement condemning the
firing and banning of Mimi Rosenberg, his co-host, on Feb. 5. He
said that Mimi flatly denied the charges of violence made against
her by Utrice Leid, and that he believed that it was Utrice that
ought to apologize for her conduct since Dec 22, when Leid and
Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash changed the locks at
WBAI and a series of firings and bannings begun. At least 10
people have been banned from the station since that time.
Ken also said he refused to acknowledge the validity of Mimi's
banning, and that he felt obligated to report on what he described
as an injustice.
This lasted 2-3 minutes.
Following Ken's statement, Ken spoke with his phone guest Rep
Major Owens about WBAI, the labor rally Feb. 20, the banning of
Mimi and the general gagging of media in America, and the idea of
a people's media which has been exemplified by WBAI.
Owens asked, who owns the airwaves, and who owns a non-profit
institution? He says WBAI must be given a structure that fits it's
mission. As Rep. Owens is saying, "We must keep alive what
WBAI stands for, freedom of speech..." Utrice Leid is heard
entering the control room.
She said, "Major Owens, Major Owens".
Owens says"Hello" a few times, sounding confused as she is off
mike and there is a babble of voices in the background.
All sound stops at about six minutes into the program, and there is
dead air for a few seconds. When sound returns, Leid is
addressing Major Owens, "Hello, I'm here, " she says while Ken
Nash attempts to ID the show from off mike (or a turned off mike)
Then, dead air again, and music begins playing for about 6 min.
The engineer comes on about 12 min and introduces Utrice Leid,
after expressing support for her action.
Leid says that she "Just had to do something that she wished she
did not have to do" but had to "send a signal that enough is
enough."
She said that the program began "with what in effect is a false
statement and we have had enough of such false statements"
She went on to defend the management position, and her views.
For the rest of the hours she takes calls from listeners.
During the duration of her time on air, she insists that Rep.
Owens, Mumia Abu Jamal, Noam Chomsky, and others who have
made statements condemning the acts of WBAI/Pacifica have
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NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda By SHARON WATERS STAFF WRITER NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners by the state Department of Community Affairs. Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as soon as possible," said Bright. HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at 238 George St. began last month. Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no housing to move into," said Bright. HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, director of the city's department of planning, community and economic development, has said. Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work with residents to help them find alternative housing. Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various issues, including its appointed school board. Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with Bright. "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said Executive Director Kevin Quince. "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with him." Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's Republican Party. Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@thnt.com
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March on Trenton to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality. I am working to sign on sponsors for the march we need $$, help getting out info, people to work on getting buses, people to get other organizations on board,... I need people to immediately get in touch with their organizations to have them sponsor this march and get that info to me can_bush@... or call 732.586.5535 Press conference in trenton on March 14 11:00-1:00 afternoon, all groups are welcome to write up press statements and attend - i am working to coordinate rides, we have plenty of room for any and all representatives to attend. If organizations cannot have a representative attend, I can still bring press statements. Local organizing meeting is on attached flier, April 8 NB library. get back to me soon. joe smith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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E-Mail me and let me know if this event is inappropriate for this list,but it is a great series that needs support particularly from those in the New Brunswick community...Doc Long and Barbara Horne will be featured readers for the Poetry of Political Change Reading Series. FREE OF CHARGE Thursday, March 8, 1999 7:30 - 10 p.m. Recto Verso Book Store (on 2 short blocks from New Brunswick train Station) 90 Albany Street New Brunswick Open readings before and after; and a brief discussion of the craft of political poetry. copies of "all of me or so it seems" by Barbara Horne and "Release" by Lyric will be available for purchase. Both books can also be found at www.sincerity.cc and questions Contact the bookstore, 732 247 2324 The Poetry of Political Change Series happens only a few times a year. It examines the concept of "political" poetry and provides both writers and readers an opportunity to interact their thoughts ideas and actions... TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST PLEASE HIT REPLY AND PUT REMOVE IN THE E-MAIL!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." bright, you can't get that. joe smith --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> wrote: > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners by the state Department of Community Affairs. > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as soon as possible," said Bright. > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at 238 George St. began last month. > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no housing to move into," said Bright. > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, director of the city's department of planning, community and economic development, has said. > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work with residents to help them find alternative housing. > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various issues, including its appointed school board. > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with Bright. > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said Executive Director Kevin Quince. > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with him." > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's Republican Party. > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." bright, you can't get that. joe smith --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> wrote: > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners by the state Department of Community Affairs. > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as soon as possible," said Bright. > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at 238 George St. began last month. > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no housing to move into," said Bright. > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, director of the city's department of planning, community and economic development, has said. > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work with residents to help them find alternative housing. > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various issues, including its appointed school board. > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with Bright. > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said Executive Director Kevin Quince. > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with him." > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's Republican Party. > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
We must start somewhere if not now when, if not frank who? Before you call someone a sucker just remember your the one who forgot to duck. See you on the 19th. Curtis L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I would like to learn more about grantwriting Please count me in.Curtis L. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
To all you art-housers looking for a stage in Newark, I recommend checking this out...Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: essenjovu@... Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motherlandcollective] Sounds of the City Submission Deadline - March 16 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:07:09 -0000 NJPAC's Sounds of the City is scheduled to run every Thursday from May 31 to August 30 (5-9PM) this upcoming summer. We are currently accepting submissions from artists wishing to perform. Artists must submit an entry form along with their material. Entry forms will be available at our meeting or on NJPAC's website, www.njpac.org. I am also able to fax or mail forms out if I receive contact information. DEADLINE FOR ALL SUBMISSIONS IS FRIDAY, MARCH 16!!!!! Check us out at www.NJPAC.org - Left side of home page (Latest News), click on Sounds of the City!!!! Many thanks for your support, Lis Ssenjovu Producer, Sounds of the City essenjovu@... 973.274.1660 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: motherlandcollective-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: ARTISTpres@... To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Artist Wins Latest Round in DC Federal Court by R Lederman Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:04:13 EST Artist Wins Latest Round in DC Federal Court by Robert Lederman Federal Judge denies U.S. government’s appeal in Lederman v United States of America et al 99-3359 [1] Ever want to hand out a few leaflets in front of the US Capital? Standing on the Capitol building’s public sidewalk alongside a few tourists and Congressmen on a drizzling 3/11/97 afternoon I imagined myself to be in the most protected spot in America for such activity. Was I ever wrong. The idea was to give out leaflets about NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s attacks on artists’ First Amendment rights during Arts Advocacy Day. This event brings thousands of cultural advocates, museum directors and arts lawyers to D.C. each year. [2] After the Capitol Police arrested me for not having a permit I promised to return after changing the law. My trial in the D.C. criminal court ended in an acquittal. Afterwards, a Federal lawsuit was filed with the expert help of the Washington DC ACLU’s Neal Goldfarb and Art Spitzer. On 3/14/2000 U.S. District Judge Richard W. Roberts issued a ruling in my favor declaring the permit requirement unconstitutional. For a mere two days during the year 2000 it was legal to hand out leaflets in front of the Capitol without a permit. Then the Capitol Police changed their rules, again making it illegal. Shortly afterwards the Washington DC ACLU filed an appeal. On 3/5/2001 Judge Roberts issued his second ruling in the case, upholding his previous ruling and declaring the revised regulations to also be unconstitutional. The defendants are expected to appeal to the DC Circuit Appeals Court next. Reading my copy of the First Amendment, the issue seems clear. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances". I don’t notice anything in those 56 words about getting permission or a permit to hand out leaflets, do you? Unfortunately our elected officials don’t seem to agree. We can’t have citizens giving out leaflets now can we? What country do you think this is America? Here in NYC Mayor Giuliani is still up to his same old tricks. After losing 23 out of 23 First Amendment lawsuits in Federal Court what’s his latest attempt to stop artistic freedom of speech? Crueliani wants to create a decency commission to decide which art is appropriate for the Big Apple’s world famous art museums. If it seems strange that a man who married and divorced his cousin, cavorts around town with his mistress at taxpayer expense, dumped his second wife on live TV and wears specially-made ladies clothing for his frequent public drag performances wants to create a decency commission - you’ve got to remember this is New York City. If you’ve got the right connections, anything goes. After being falsely arrested 40 times for holding up satirical portraits of the Mayor while standing on a public street (and never being found guilty of a single charge) I’ve come to appreciate the simple beauty of the First Amendment. Our founding fathers understood the urgent desire of those in power to stop the little guy from ever having his say. Will the government win it’s effort to stop terribly dangerous things like leaflets and cardboard signs from being wielded by those lacking official permission or corporate backing? Stay tuned brothers and sisters. If I’m not mistaken future generations will wistfully look back on our present freedoms as the golden age of free speech. You gave a speech on a street corner, they will ask, awestruck. You handed out a leaflet? You marched in a demonstration? You painted a satirical picture of a politician, and they didn’t put you in a prison or have you shot? Let’s use our freedom of expression while we can. It’s still the most potent weapon on earth. Statement on the latest ruling by Washington DC ACLU’s, Neal Goldfarb: "The regulation at issue in the lawsuit prohibits all demonstration activity on large areas of the U.S. Capitol grounds, including the sidewalks adjacent to the Capitol building. The decision by the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia accepted Mr. Lederman's argument that the regulation violates the First Amendment. The court ruled that the portions of the Capitol surrounding the Capitol building are a "public forum" in which the government may not prohibit all free-speech activities. The court ruled that the regulation was unconstitutional because it was not "narrowly tailored" to protect the government's interest in maintaining security and preventing congestion on the Capitol grounds. If the government files an appeal, the appeal would be heard by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit." Contact numbers: Neal Goldfarb (ACLU) (703) 412-6247 Art Spitzer (ACLU) (202) 457-0800 Robert Lederman (718) 743-3722 [1] Read the ruling: U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia Robert Lederman v. USA Civil Action No. 99-3359 Memorandum Opinion & Order filed March 5, 2001 by Judge Richard W. Roberts http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/district-court-recent.html [2] Arts Advocacy Day 2001 March 19-20 I plan to be there. Washington Post article by Bill Miller 3/20/2000 on Lederman v United States of America et al http://sand.loper.org/~george/trends/2000/Mar/65.html Lederman arrested at Brooklyn Museum http://sand.loper.org/~george/trends/1999/Oct/97.html Bush, Giuliani, Manhattan Institute, eugenics, West Nile Virus information http://baltech.org/lederman/ http://baltech.org/lederman/spray/ Street artist information and artist lawsuits against Giuliani http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. (Artists' Response to Illegal State Tactics) ARTISTpres@... (718) 743-3722 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
Erric Z.
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From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
bright, you can't get that.
joe smith
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
wrote:
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> By SHARON WATERS
> STAFF WRITER
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
> Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
soon as possible," said Bright.
> HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
238 George St. began last month.
> Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
-- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
housing to move into," said Bright.
> HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
development, has said.
> Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
> Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
issues, including its appointed school board.
> Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
Bright.
> "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
him."
> Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
Republican Party.
> Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: Hey, sorry I can't directly help out with this stuff at the moment, myself. But I'm sort of in the mood to offer some comments on this article ... I think Paul's remarks about keeping in mind your audience are well taken. In many ways, "revolutionaries" and "progressives" is redundant -- these sorts of people already support the Campaign, and are typically already well informed on the issues you're talking about here. You might want to dig into, or make more explicit, the "Support Democrats on the State and Federal level, but not on the municipal level" argument, since it's probably the most valuable point in your article. Also, I think, at least, that the Nader comments are sort of gratuitous. The fact is probably that nearly everyone who voted for Nader in the student precincts also voted for the Campaign. Rather than calling the Greens veiled reactionaries, you should probably point out how incredibly close the last two gubernatorial elections were. When we're talking a difference of, what, 17,000 votes, the ability of a third party to even siphon off a thousand votes becomes a matter of real concern. (Of course, if DiFrancesco wins the primary, you'll probably see some people who really like Schundler bolting for third parties, claiming that DiFrancesco is too much of a bland, ideologically inert dealmaker) Anyway, TTYL, Jeremy > This is my article for upcoming People' Campaign NewsPaper > > McGreevy For Governor, New Jersey Must Not Be Bushwhacked > > By Keith Joseph > > The People's Campaign, progressives, revolutionaries, and anyone > interested in seeing the movement for democracy advance must support > McGreevy this November in the race for governor in New Jersey. Either of > the potential Republican candidates would be a disaster. Not only for > New Jersey but also for the entire nation. The National Republican > leadership has announced that the New Jersey gubernatorial election will > be an opportunity for Bush's appointment as President of the United > States to be legitimated. We can not allow this to happen. We must make > the defeat of the Republicans in this election a protest against Bush's > presidency as well as the electoral college that made it possible. > The Green Party has threatened to run a candidate despite the fact > Nader's candidacy delivered the people into the bloody hands of Bush. > They continue to posture as progressives yet the results of their > efforts could not be more reactionary. They already assisted in giving > us Bush and now they threaten to do the same in New Jersey. > Actively participating in McGreevy's campaign would allow the > People's Campaign and progressive forces to build momentum for the local > elections in New Brunswick and Newark in 2002. We will be able to > register voters and also make the connections and build the networks > necessary for our future efforts. The working class and democratic small > businesses, students and professionals are obviously the constituency we > are seeking, it should also be obvious that they are connected in some > way to the Democratic Party. One reason for this is that they understand > the lesser of two evil tactic very clearly. In this country most people > are voting against a politician rather than for one. We too most utilize > the lesser of two evil tactic, as the only way to build our strength, > unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy. Clearly > and openly uniting with working people and democratic middle classes in > their opposition to Republican reaction at the national and statewide > level is the only path to unity at the local level against Mayor Cahil > in 2002.
This is a reply to Joe Smith's message. The intemperate tone bespeaks its incoherent message and failure of foresight regarding an analytical assessment of its application for the benefit of New Brunswick. In other words, it's plain stupid. The cavelier statements of Smith immediately begin upon the announcement that Frank has been appointed to the NBHA. Before even attending one meeting, he is attacked. Moreover, this headstrong assault comes after Bright states 1) a desire "to raise the level or services" to public housing residents and 2) a review of "the real estate deals" from the perspective of a Housing Authority Commissioner. It is without question that such an orientation is a far cry from the theory and praxis of current and past board members on the authority. Anyone with an iota of perspective would welcome Bright --what is the effective alternative people???-- on the authority. Frank will be one of seven commissioners on a 7-member board; it is the federal conduit for funds regarding the town's "redevelopment" and it's budget and fiduciary responsibilities are obver $100 million per year. Further, the board position is not paid. In other words, Frank will be performing this position for free. Yet, he is attacked as lacking "any integrity/community concern." Is this a statement from a wingnut? This is really sad, not only for its ignorant hyperbole, but also for the fact that Frank recently sought to assist Joe Smith when those famous criminal matters arose in regards to the November election and the mayor's aide, Kevin Jones. Talk about appreciation!! As for the appointment of Beatrice Harris, and the convoluted, inane and ignorant statement that she "is better" than Frank, I take issue. For one, Frank is not getting a paycheck from the machine. Historically, this has not been the case in regards to Harris. She worked for the city in the Division of Inspections. If one wishes to not consider that as a leash, then we could consider the fact, that if she is indeed retired, she is linked by her governmental pension. Further, the fact that she was on the Housing Authority and a city employee, speaks to a conflict of interest issue, one which was a rather readily apparent losing legal issue if challenged. It is not surprising that when the city smelled an incipient challenge, she retired. Despite this, Joe Smith attacks the only person to actually "seize power" from the machine, one who has done so in an important institutional way. The Mayor may say rather euphamistically "he would not be my first choice", but a more revealing statement is city council member Blanquita Valenti's cry of "Oh dear God!" In order to become a Housing Authority Commissioner, one has to submit a statement of interest and undergo a background check, including financial and criminal investigations. This Frank did, and he "opened up his books" for the GOVERNMENT to see. Obviously he passed. New Brunswick can be better for it, but it helps if there is a "united front" of support. Instead, those with criminal records, make rather criminal statements. Good luck with your legal efforts and other related matters, Joe. You speak with thunder, but lack the lightning in the hand. Brian Villa joe smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling. he is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white supremist organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical funds for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not, release money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for around a year. sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB police back in 91. >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > >Erric Z. > -----Original Message----- > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." > bright, you can't get that. > > joe smith > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > wrote: > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > By SHARON WATERS > > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as > soon as possible," said Bright. > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > 238 George St. began last month. > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > housing to move into," said Bright. > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > director of the city's department of planning, community and economic > development, has said. > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > issues, including its appointed school board. > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > Bright. > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > him." > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > Republican Party. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > Yahoo! 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Thanks, the lack of punctuation and capitalization made it difficult to
determine that that was a proper name.
Erric Z.
-----Original Message-----
From: joseph smith [mailto:wacbush01@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:30 PM
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi
whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling.
he
is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white
supremist
organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical
funds
for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not,
release
money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for
around a year.
sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB
police back in 91.
>From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
>
>I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
>
>Erric Z.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
> To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>
>
> if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
> immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
> authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
> board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
> authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
> being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
> stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
> culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
> anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
> republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
> beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
> bright, you can't get that.
>
> joe smith
>
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
> wrote:
> > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> > By SHARON WATERS
> > STAFF WRITER
> > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
> unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
> Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
> by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
> and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
> > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
> residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
> reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
> soon as possible," said Bright.
> > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
> 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
> neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
> construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
> 238 George St. began last month.
> > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
> who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
> -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
> Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
> housing to move into," said Bright.
> > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
> housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
> the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
> replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
> director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
> development, has said.
> > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
> with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
> > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
> Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
> commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
> one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
> race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
> issues, including its appointed school board.
> > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
> Bright.
> > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
> he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
> Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
> board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
> him."
> > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
> engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
> Republican Party.
> > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
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viya - what is that you're talking about. this appointment is of tremendous danger to the future community of NB. we do not advance our democratic demands of community control by having REPUBLICANS, how do you say, "seize power". didn't you learn that when you learned to write so unincoherently? bright frank has a primary agenda to build up a republican stranglehold, his statements regarding the housing authority, and an elected school board for that matter, only appeal to the people because at this time he has to. bf does not care for the tenants of public housing, anything republicans touch turns to tombstone - have you no eyes in your head viya? let alone the selection is against federal law which mandates that residents in public housing have representation on housing authority. your's, and all, personal vendeta against current city machine must be understood as secondary to the rise of republican control over the institutions that govern our lives. joe smith --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., b v <villavoice@y...> wrote: > This is a reply to Joe Smith's message. The > intemperate tone bespeaks its incoherent message and > failure of foresight regarding an analytical > assessment of its application for the benefit of New > Brunswick. In other words, it's plain stupid. > > The cavelier statements of Smith immediately begin > upon the announcement that Frank has been appointed to > the NBHA. Before even attending one meeting, he is > attacked. Moreover, this headstrong assault comes > after Bright states 1) a desire "to raise the level or > services" to public housing residents and 2) a review > of "the real estate deals" from the perspective of a > Housing Authority Commissioner. > > It is without question that such an orientation is a > far cry from the theory and praxis of current and past > board members on the authority. Anyone with an iota of > perspective would welcome Bright --what is the > effective alternative people???-- on the authority. > Frank will be one of seven commissioners on a 7-member > board; it is the federal conduit for funds regarding > the town's "redevelopment" and it's budget and > fiduciary responsibilities are obver $100 million per > year. > > Further, the board position is not paid. In other > words, Frank will be performing this position for > free. Yet, he is attacked as lacking "any > integrity/community concern." Is this a statement from > a wingnut? > > This is really sad, not only for its ignorant > hyperbole, but also for the fact that Frank recently > sought to assist Joe Smith when those famous criminal > matters arose in regards to the November election and > the mayor's aide, Kevin Jones. Talk about > appreciation!! > > As for the appointment of Beatrice Harris, and the > convoluted, inane and ignorant statement that she "is > better" than Frank, I take issue. For one, Frank is > not getting a paycheck from the machine. Historically, > this has not been the case in regards to Harris. She > worked for the city in the Division of Inspections. If > one wishes to not consider that as a leash, then we > could consider the fact, that if she is indeed > retired, she is linked by her governmental pension. > Further, the fact that she was on the Housing > Authority and a city employee, speaks to a conflict of > interest issue, one which was a rather readily > apparent losing legal issue if challenged. It is not > surprising that when the city smelled an incipient > challenge, she retired. > > Despite this, Joe Smith attacks the only person to > actually "seize power" from the machine, one who has > done so in an important institutional way. The Mayor > may say rather euphamistically "he would not be my > first choice", but a more revealing statement is city > council member Blanquita Valenti's cry of "Oh dear > God!" > > In order to become a Housing Authority Commissioner, > one has to submit a statement of interest and undergo > a background check, including financial and criminal > investigations. This Frank did, and he "opened up his > books" for the GOVERNMENT to see. Obviously he passed. > New Brunswick can be better for it, but it helps if > there is a "united front" of support. > > Instead, those with criminal records, make rather > criminal statements. Good luck with your legal efforts > and other related matters, Joe. You speak with > thunder, but lack the lightning in the hand. > > Brian Villa > > > joe smith > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
el curtis - project tenant george berry has put foward that the tenants of public housing vote for their own representative in accordance with federal law. community control over housing! --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., citruswar@a... wrote: > We must start somewhere if not now when, if not frank who? Before you call > someone a sucker just remember your the one who forgot to duck. See you on > the 19th. Curtis L. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First
Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting the
Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a
college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local
spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the
back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I heard
was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police
killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to
benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist Church
somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin
"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many
occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such as
Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and
buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into
the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In
grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part because
the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition Against
Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams in
1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for years.
Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political &
social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by
condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy
toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle over
particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse internal
tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to become
more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank
Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed
Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with
local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most recently
introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black,
middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him to
denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself
has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of
weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries'
apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant
contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the
racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all of
which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the
community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure must
only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like
religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of
isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker
Soaries".
Matthew Smith
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
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To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
Erric Z.
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From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
bright, you can't get that.
joe smith
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
wrote:
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> By SHARON WATERS
> STAFF WRITER
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
> Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
soon as possible," said Bright.
> HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
238 George St. began last month.
> Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
-- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
housing to move into," said Bright.
> HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
development, has said.
> Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
> Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
issues, including its appointed school board.
> Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
Bright.
> "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
him."
> Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
Republican Party.
> Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
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just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space rather than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be on steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then let's again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican party and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control by BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. let's weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps and bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like to see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you know so much. njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with self-criticism, how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long after that before working to organize community base? when is the production meeting? joe smith >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 > >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting >the >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I >heard >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist >Church >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such >as >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part >because >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition Against >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams in >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for years. >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle over >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse internal >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to >become >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most >recently >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him to >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all >of >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure must >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker >Soaries". > >Matthew Smith > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > >Erric Z. > -----Original Message----- > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." > bright, you can't get that. > > joe smith > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > wrote: > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > By SHARON WATERS > > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as > soon as possible," said Bright. > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > 238 George St. began last month. > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > housing to move into," said Bright. > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > director of the city's department of planning, community and economic > development, has said. > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > issues, including its appointed school board. > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > Bright. > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > him." > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > Republican Party. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > Yahoo! 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>From: FBright123@... >To: wacbush01@... >Subject: Re: NBHA >Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:55:51 EST > > >Dear Joe, > >I am sorry you feel threatened. Progress is a gradual process. > >Peace, > >Frank _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
i hear sucker got kidnapped and beaten by people who became untollerable of him bein a rat the place where you are furthest off is that brightsucker are not "allying themselves with local left", rather and get this - they are exploiting local left. joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > > It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First > Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting the > Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a > college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local > spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the > back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I heard > was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police > killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to > benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist Church > somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin > "Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many > occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such as > Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and > buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into > the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In > grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part because > the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition Against > Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams in > 1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for years. > Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & > social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by > condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy > toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle over > particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse internal > tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to become > more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black > Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank > Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed > Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with > local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most recently > introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, > middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him to > denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself > has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > > Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of > weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' > apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant > contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the > racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all of > which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the > community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure must > only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like > religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of > isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker > Soaries". > > Matthew Smith > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...> > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...> > Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > > I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > > Erric Z. > -----Original Message----- > From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." > bright, you can't get that. > > joe smith > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > wrote: > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > By SHARON WATERS > > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as > soon as possible," said Bright. > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > 238 George St. began last month. > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > housing to move into," said Bright. > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > director of the city's department of planning, community and economic > development, has said. > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > issues, including its appointed school board. > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > Bright. > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > him." > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > Republican Party. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > Yahoo! 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the nj republican state dept. of community affairs' appointment of nb
republican party chair Dim Liar to the nb housing authority board, is
more than a violation of federal law requiring resident representation
on the board. &more than kicking the ousted projects residents while
theyre down.
it is a republican party gubenatorial campaign maneuver to establish a
republican stronghold, with skunk soaries & protege ("we have to start
somewhere...") republican ClassWarrin,$r., in mcgreasy's backyard.
the social democratic liberal posturing which put bush2 in the white
house locally put dim liar in the housing authority, by boosting him &
the nb republican party.
at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
and possible victory.
rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
out of the "peoples'" campaign.
the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
berry's call for elected resident representation.
all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
chair dim liar.
republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
revolutionaries unite! with the people.
unite against imperialism & patriarchy!
Charitable Choice or
Compassionate �Convert�icism??
On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal
office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally
financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01).
The cornerstone of the �compassionate conservative� agenda, so-called
�faith-based initiatives� pose serious threats to the public safety net,
public sector employment, and civil rights in general.
What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to
prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy
Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its
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I really don't want this to turn into a forum for a back and forth between the Smith brothers, but Joe, be real...BOL/SWORD/CDRP (or whatever pseudonym you guys decide to come up with next to describe the same few people) made a really bad judgement call attacking Curtis a minute after the public convention where he was nominated to run for City Council. You've treated an incredibly dedicated community organizer like he's some blood sucking pariah, like the main enemy, because of one statement that appeared in the press, while totally ignoring his his entire track record. Now, instead of recognizing it as the mistake it was you guys are falling over yourselves to justify it, and its really just coming off as mean spirited zealousness, and not in the least revolutionary or unifying. That's why BOL was ejected from the campaign. Period. You asked me to nominate you back into the Peoples' Campaign, and my response was what?...that you should be asking Curtis himself because he's the one you guys need to be working it out with since you've been dragging his name through the mud. (I later found out that Louise told you the same thing.) I figured, if Curtis will find it in him to support you guys coming back in, then I would definitely support it too. Next thing I read is another series of verbal assaults coming from BOL/SWORD/CDRP members aimed at Curtis, so I guess that's your decision, and I think that you're just digging the hole deeper. And this alone puts this self-promoting habit you guys have picked up as claiming heir to the "most-revolutionary" throne in a really disengenuous light... And did you even read my entire letter about Soaries, or just enough to conclude that I, too, have violated your standard for purity, like sin. So, why keep asking about a "production meeting", presumably for Unity & Struggle Newspaper...because it don't happen by declaration, like a machine (as in, mechanical one-sided application of theory, forgetting to put "Unity" first.) Till then, I would say call your own damn meeting & see if Amiri Baraka shows up. Note: I tried to set your ideological leader up with a meeting with Baraka to resolve some unresolved differences between them, and know what?...He threw that in my face too...so PRODUCTION is secondary to the principle aspect which is TRANSFORMATION OF THE CONSCIOUSNESS...CHANGING PEOPLES MINDS...& not through coersion or intimidation or public ridicule...but we've been down this road before...Later bro, Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500 just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space rather than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be on steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then let's again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican party and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control by BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. let's weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps and bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like to see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you know so much. njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with self-criticism, how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long after that before working to organize community base? when is the production meeting? joe smith >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 > >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting >the >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I >heard >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist >Church >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such >as >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part >because >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition Against >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams in >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for years. >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle over >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse internal >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to >become >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most >recently >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him to >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all >of >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure must >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker >Soaries". > >Matthew Smith > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > >Erric Z. > -----Original Message----- > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." > bright, you can't get that. > > joe smith > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > wrote: > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > By SHARON WATERS > > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as > soon as possible," said Bright. > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > 238 George St. began last month. > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > housing to move into," said Bright. > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > director of the city's department of planning, community and economic > development, has said. > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > issues, including its appointed school board. > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > Bright. > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > him." > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > Republican Party. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > Yahoo! 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Brian- Before getting into any particulars of this debate regarding Frank's appointment, it needs to be stated that your gratuitous jab at Joe that "those with criminal records, make rather criminal statements" is way out of line and really undermines the legitamacy of your own position. That said, I think that it is fair to question why an actual resident of the NB Homes was not appointed to this position--if there is a written clause that states that residents must have representation on the housing board, than how did Frank get the job? & if he insists on staying, should we not be concerned that his "Republican-ness" won't eventually distract him from his democratic responsibilities to the people of NB? Matthew Smith ----Original Message Follows---- From: b v <villavoice@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com CC: fbright123@..., villavoice@... Subject: [nbpc] Reply to Joe Smith Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:09:27 -0800 (PST) This is a reply to Joe Smith's message. The intemperate tone bespeaks its incoherent message and failure of foresight regarding an analytical assessment of its application for the benefit of New Brunswick. In other words, it's plain stupid. The cavelier statements of Smith immediately begin upon the announcement that Frank has been appointed to the NBHA. Before even attending one meeting, he is attacked. Moreover, this headstrong assault comes after Bright states 1) a desire "to raise the level or services" to public housing residents and 2) a review of "the real estate deals" from the perspective of a Housing Authority Commissioner. It is without question that such an orientation is a far cry from the theory and praxis of current and past board members on the authority. Anyone with an iota of perspective would welcome Bright --what is the effective alternative people???-- on the authority. Frank will be one of seven commissioners on a 7-member board; it is the federal conduit for funds regarding the town's "redevelopment" and it's budget and fiduciary responsibilities are obver $100 million per year. Further, the board position is not paid. In other words, Frank will be performing this position for free. Yet, he is attacked as lacking "any integrity/community concern." Is this a statement from a wingnut? This is really sad, not only for its ignorant hyperbole, but also for the fact that Frank recently sought to assist Joe Smith when those famous criminal matters arose in regards to the November election and the mayor's aide, Kevin Jones. Talk about appreciation!! As for the appointment of Beatrice Harris, and the convoluted, inane and ignorant statement that she "is better" than Frank, I take issue. For one, Frank is not getting a paycheck from the machine. Historically, this has not been the case in regards to Harris. She worked for the city in the Division of Inspections. If one wishes to not consider that as a leash, then we could consider the fact, that if she is indeed retired, she is linked by her governmental pension. Further, the fact that she was on the Housing Authority and a city employee, speaks to a conflict of interest issue, one which was a rather readily apparent losing legal issue if challenged. It is not surprising that when the city smelled an incipient challenge, she retired. Despite this, Joe Smith attacks the only person to actually "seize power" from the machine, one who has done so in an important institutional way. The Mayor may say rather euphamistically "he would not be my first choice", but a more revealing statement is city council member Blanquita Valenti's cry of "Oh dear God!" In order to become a Housing Authority Commissioner, one has to submit a statement of interest and undergo a background check, including financial and criminal investigations. This Frank did, and he "opened up his books" for the GOVERNMENT to see. Obviously he passed. New Brunswick can be better for it, but it helps if there is a "united front" of support. . Good luck with your legal efforts and other related matters, Joe. You speak with thunder, but lack the lightning in the hand. Brian Villa joe smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
For anyone just checking out this list, Joe Smith was voted out of this democratic campaign by the steering committee after distributing a signed letter which contained baseless attacks on one of our candidates and Reverend Soaries. By no means does Joe Smith represent the views of the People's Campaign as a whole. I don't think I need to ask permission to say this. This is for purposes of demarcation. Paul McGee, NJFO >From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:30:02 -0500 > >sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi >whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling. >he >is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white >supremist >organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical >funds >for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not, release >money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for >around a year. > >sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB >police back in 91. > > >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > > > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > > > >Erric Z. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." > > bright, you can't get that. > > > > joe smith > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > > wrote: > > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > > By SHARON WATERS > > > STAFF WRITER > > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as > > soon as possible," said Bright. > > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > > 238 George St. began last month. > > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families > > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families > > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > > housing to move into," said Bright. > > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, > > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > > director of the city's department of planning, community and economic > > development, has said. > > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and > > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > > issues, including its appointed school board. > > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > > Bright. > > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > > him." > > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > > Republican Party. > > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > > > > Yahoo! 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you missed a couple of things... >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:43:26 > >I really don't want this to turn into a forum for a back and forth between >the Smith brothers, but Joe, be real...BOL/SWORD/CDRP (or whatever >pseudonym >you guys decide to come up with next to describe the same few people) made >a >really bad judgement call attacking Curtis a minute after the public >convention where he was nominated to run for City Council. You've treated >an incredibly dedicated community organizer like he's some blood sucking >pariah, like the main enemy, because of one statement that appeared in the >press, while totally ignoring his his entire track record. Now, instead of >recognizing it as the mistake it was you guys are falling over yourselves >to >justify it, and its really just coming off as mean spirited zealousness, >and >not in the least revolutionary or unifying. That's why BOL was ejected >from >the campaign. Period. You asked me to nominate you back into the Peoples' >Campaign, and my response was what?...that you should be asking Curtis >himself because he's the one you guys need to be working it out with since >you've been dragging his name through the mud. (I later found out that >Louise told you the same thing.) I figured, if Curtis will find it in him >to >support you guys coming back in, then I would definitely support it too. >Next thing I read is another series of verbal assaults coming from >BOL/SWORD/CDRP members aimed at Curtis, so I guess that's your decision, >and >I think that you're just digging the hole deeper. And this alone puts this >self-promoting habit you guys have picked up as claiming heir to the >"most-revolutionary" throne in a really disengenuous light... > >And did you even read my entire letter about Soaries, or just enough to >conclude that I, too, have violated your standard for purity, like sin. >So, >why keep asking about a "production meeting", presumably for Unity & >Struggle Newspaper...because it don't happen by declaration, like a machine >(as in, mechanical one-sided application of theory, forgetting to put >"Unity" first.) Till then, I would say call your own damn meeting & see if >Amiri Baraka shows up. Note: I tried to set your ideological leader up with >a meeting with Baraka to resolve some unresolved differences between them, >and know what?...He threw that in my face too...so PRODUCTION is secondary >to the principle aspect which is TRANSFORMATION OF THE >CONSCIOUSNESS...CHANGING PEOPLES MINDS...& not through coersion or >intimidation or public ridicule...but we've been down this road >before...Later bro, Matthew > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500 > >just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space rather >than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be on >steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth >jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then >let's >again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican >party >and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no >doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you >wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control >by >BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning >candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most >revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the >organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed >question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. >let's >weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing >some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps >and >bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). > >you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like to >see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than >none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you >know so much. > >njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with self-criticism, >how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long >after that before working to organize community base? > >when is the production meeting? > >joe smith > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... > >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 > > > >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > > > >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First > >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting > >the > >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a > >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local > >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the > >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I > >heard > >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this >police > >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to > >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist > >Church > >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin > >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many > >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, >such > >as > >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote >and > >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 >into > >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In > >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part > >because > >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition >Against > >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams >in > >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for >years. > >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & > >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by > >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" >policy > >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle >over > >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse >internal > >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to > >become > >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black > >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the >Frank > >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed > >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, >with > >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most > >recently > >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, > >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him >to > >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he >himself > >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > > > >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of > >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' > >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant > >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the > >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); >all > >of > >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the > >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure >must > >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of >like > >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of > >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence >"Sucker > >Soaries". > > > >Matthew Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > > > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > > > >Erric Z. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist >apointed..." > > bright, you can't get that. > > > > joe smith > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > > wrote: > > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > > By SHARON WATERS > > > STAFF WRITER > > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed >as > > soon as possible," said Bright. > > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > > 238 George St. began last month. > > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 >families > > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining >families > > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > > housing to move into," said Bright. > > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process >matured, > > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > > director of the city's department of planning, community and >economic > > development, has said. > > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council >and > > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > > issues, including its appointed school board. > > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > > Bright. > > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > > him." > > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > > Republican Party. > > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > > > > Yahoo! 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curtis warren violated platform of "community control" in statements made to reporters that he stands by. stating he is willing to work with J&J. soaries is the secretary of state, appointed by nazi whitman, and is with-holding necessary funds for crossroads threatre - let alone his historical and day by day sell-out of the people of NB. >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] On fringe opinions >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:54:26 -0000 > >For anyone just checking out this list, Joe Smith was voted out of this >democratic campaign by the steering committee after distributing a signed >letter which contained baseless attacks on one of our candidates and >Reverend Soaries. By no means does Joe Smith represent the views of the >People's Campaign as a whole. I don't think I need to ask permission to say >this. This is for purposes of demarcation. Paul McGee, NJFO > > > >From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:30:02 -0500 > > > >sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi > >whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling. > >he > >is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white > >supremist > >organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical > >funds > >for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not, >release > >money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for > >around a year. > > > >sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB > >police back in 91. > > > > >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > > > > > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > > > > > >Erric Z. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > > > > > > > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > > > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > > > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > > > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > > > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > > > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > > > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > > > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > > > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > > > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > > > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist >apointed..." > > > bright, you can't get that. > > > > > > joe smith > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > > > wrote: > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > > > By SHARON WATERS > > > > STAFF WRITER > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > > > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > > > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > > > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > > > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > > > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > > > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > > > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed >as > > > soon as possible," said Bright. > > > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > > > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > > > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > > > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > > > 238 George St. began last month. > > > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 >families > > > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining >families > > > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > > > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > > > housing to move into," said Bright. > > > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > > > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process >matured, > > > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > > > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > > > director of the city's department of planning, community and >economic > > > development, has said. > > > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > > > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > > > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > > > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > > > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council >and > > > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > > > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > > > issues, including its appointed school board. > > > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > > > Bright. > > > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > > > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > > > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > > > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > > > him." > > > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > > > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > > > Republican Party. > > > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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>Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul > > >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...> >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500 >> >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space >>rather >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be >>on >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then >>let's >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican >>party >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control >>by >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. >>let's >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps >>and >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). >> >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like >>to >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you >>know so much. >> >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with >>self-criticism, >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long >>after that before working to organize community base? >> >>when is the production meeting? >> >>joe smith >> >> >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 >> > >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: >> > >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting >> >the >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I >> >heard >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this >>police >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist >> >Church >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, >>such >> >as >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote >>and >> >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 >>into >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part >> >because >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition >>Against >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams >>in >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for >>years. >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" >>policy >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle >>over >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse >>internal >> >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to >> >become >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black >> >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the >>Frank >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, >>with >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most >> >recently >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, >> >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him >>to >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he >>himself >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. >> > >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); >>all >> >of >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the >> >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure >>must >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of >>like >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence >>"Sucker >> >Soaries". >> > >> >Matthew Smith >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >----Original Message Follows---- >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 >> > >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? >> > >> >Erric Z. >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...] >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM >> > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >> > >> > >> > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will >> > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing >> > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco >> > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing >> > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is >> > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican >> > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black >> > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. >> > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of >> > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing >> > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist >>apointed..." >> > bright, you can't get that. >> > >> > joe smith >> > >> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> >> > wrote: >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job >> > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 >> > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda >> > > By SHARON WATERS >> > > STAFF WRITER >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran >> > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New >> > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners >> > by the state Department of Community Affairs. >> > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment >> > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. >> > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to >> > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the >> > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. >> > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed >>as >> > soon as possible," said Bright. >> > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build >> > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding >> > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new >> > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at >> > 238 George St. began last month. >> > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 >>families >> > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining >>families >> > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John >> > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. >> > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no >> > housing to move into," said Bright. >> > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement >> > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process >>matured, >> > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any >> > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, >> > director of the city's department of planning, community and >>economic >> > development, has said. >> > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work >> > with residents to help them find alternative housing. >> > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. >> > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. >> > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six >> > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council >>and >> > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. >> > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's >> > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various >> > issues, including its appointed school board. >> > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. >> > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with >> > Bright. >> > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that >> > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said >> > Executive Director Kevin Quince. >> > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the >> > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with >> > him." >> > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical >> > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's >> > Republican Party. >> > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... >> > >> > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >> > >> > >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... >> > >> >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >> >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... >> > >> >Your use of Yahoo! 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to paul, you are real beat. your sarcasm moves nothing foward, especially when it is pitted at people who are getting things done. although i, and infinite others, have been expelled from the people's campaign, i have done nothing but promote people's campaign platform and raise practical tasks we can accomplish as our relationship exists. joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> wrote: > > >Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul > > > > > >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages > >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500 > >> > >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space > >>rather > >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be > >>on > >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth > >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then > >>let's > >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican > >>party > >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no > >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you > >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control > >>by > >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning > >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most > >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the > >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed > >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. > >>let's > >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing > >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps > >>and > >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). > >> > >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like > >>to > >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than > >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you > >>know so much. > >> > >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with > >>self-criticism, > >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long > >>after that before working to organize community base? > >> > >>when is the production meeting? > >> > >>joe smith > >> > >> > >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... > >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 > >> > > >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > >> > > >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First > >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting > >> >the > >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used to be a > >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local > >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the > >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I > >> >heard > >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this > >>police > >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to > >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist > >> >Church > >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin > >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many > >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, > >>such > >> >as > >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote > >>and > >> >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed Bush2 > >>into > >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. In > >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part > >> >because > >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition > >>Against > >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams > >>in > >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for > >>years. > >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & > >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by > >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" > >>policy > >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle > >>over > >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse > >>internal > >> >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this started to > >> >become > >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black > >> >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of the > >>Frank > >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed > >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, > >>with > >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most > >> >recently > >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, > >> >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has led him > >>to > >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he > >>himself > >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > >> > > >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of > >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' > >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant > >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the > >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); > >>all > >> >of > >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the > >> >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure > >>must > >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of > >>like > >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of > >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence > >>"Sucker > >> >Soaries". > >> > > >> >Matthew Smith > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >----Original Message Follows---- > >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...> > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...> > >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > >> > > >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > >> > > >> >Erric Z. > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...] > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > >> > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >> > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > >> > > >> > > >> > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > >> > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > >> > authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco > >> > board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing > >> > authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is > >> > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican > >> > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black > >> > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. > >> > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > >> > republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing > >> > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist > >>apointed..." > >> > bright, you can't get that. > >> > > >> > joe smith > >> > > >> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> > >> > wrote: > >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > >> > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > >> > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > >> > > By SHARON WATERS > >> > > STAFF WRITER > >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran > >> > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New > >> > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners > >> > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > >> > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment > >> > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. > >> > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to > >> > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the > >> > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > >> > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed > >>as > >> > soon as possible," said Bright. > >> > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build > >> > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding > >> > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > >> > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at > >> > 238 George St. began last month. > >> > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 > >>families > >> > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining > >>families > >> > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John > >> > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > >> > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no > >> > housing to move into," said Bright. > >> > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement > >> > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process > >>matured, > >> > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any > >> > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, > >> > director of the city's department of planning, community and > >>economic > >> > development, has said. > >> > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work > >> > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > >> > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. > >> > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. > >> > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > >> > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council > >>and > >> > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > >> > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's > >> > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various > >> > issues, including its appointed school board. > >> > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > >> > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with > >> > Bright. > >> > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that > >> > he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said > >> > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > >> > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the > >> > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with > >> > him." > >> > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical > >> > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's > >> > Republican Party. > >> > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > >> > > >> > > >> > Yahoo! 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Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we have nothing in common. You and your bro make that abundantly clear. If the campaign and njfo and myself are so beat, then why do you spend so much time weighing in on our business? Why do you want real beat people to support you in court? Why do you constantly berate people who would be your allies and then accuse me of holding back the movement with my sarcastic comments? I'm done with these lists. Paul >From: wacbush01@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Fwd: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:51:51 -0000 > >to paul, you are real beat. your sarcasm moves nothing foward, >especially when it is pitted at people who are getting things done. >although i, and infinite others, have been expelled from the people's >campaign, i have done nothing but promote people's campaign platform >and raise practical tasks we can accomplish as our relationship >exists. joe > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> wrote: > > > > >Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul > > > > > > > > >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages > > >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500 > > >> > > >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office >space > > >>rather > > >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright >to be > > >>on > > >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community >youth > > >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. >then > > >>let's > > >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the >republican > > >>party > > >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, >which no > > >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such >position. you > > >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community >control > > >>by > > >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after >winning > > >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the >most > > >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to >the > > >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the >board of ed > > >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one >more. > > >>let's > > >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election >vs. doing > > >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at >leaps > > >>and > > >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). > > >> > > >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and >i'd like > > >>to > > >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is >better than > > >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. >now you > > >>know so much. > > >> > > >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with > > >>self-criticism, > > >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how >long > > >>after that before working to organize community base? > > >> > > >>when is the production meeting? > > >> > > >>joe smith > > >> > > >> > > >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... > > >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 > > >> > > > >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > > >> > > > >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of >the First > > >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after >accepting > > >> >the > > >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used >to be a > > >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained >a local > > >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a >bullet to the > > >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who >last I > > >> >heard > > >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing >this > > >>police > > >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain >and to > > >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First >Baptist > > >> >Church > > >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the >NB/Franklin > > >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen >on many > > >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around >town, > > >>such > > >> >as > > >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the >black vote > > >>and > > >> >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed >Bush2 > > >>into > > >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black >vote. In > > >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in >part > > >> >because > > >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB >Coalition > > >>Against > > >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of >Sissy Adams > > >>in > > >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish >for > > >>years. > > >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of >political & > > >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies >by > > >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a >"hands-off" > > >>policy > > >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to >struggle > > >>over > > >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to >defuse > > >>internal > > >> >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this >started to > > >> >become > > >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black > > >> >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of >the > > >>Frank > > >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, >bloody-handed > > >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if >temporarily, > > >>with > > >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and >causes--most > > >> >recently > > >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his >predominantly black, > > >> >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has >led him > > >>to > > >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as >he > > >>himself > > >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > > >> > > > >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a >matter of > > >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against >Soaries' > > >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the >inherant > > >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, >and the > > >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger >enemy); > > >>all > > >> >of > > >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies >in the > > >> >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that >impure > > >>must > > >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable >(kind of > > >>like > > >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good >job of > > >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the >years...hence > > >>"Sucker > > >> >Soaries". > > >> > > > >> >Matthew Smith > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >----Original Message Follows---- > > >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...> > > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...> > > >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing >job > > >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > > >> > > > >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > > >> > > > >> >Erric Z. > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...] > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > > >> > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >> > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing >job > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > > >> > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > > >> > authority and demand that backwards, twisted >whitman/difransesco > > >> > board that appointed him comply with federal law that >housing > > >> > authority must consist of residents from public housing. >bright is > > >> > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a >republican > > >> > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates >black > > >> > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for >crossroads. > > >> > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > > >> > republican state appointment then city council of NB >appointing > > >> > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist > > >>apointed..." > > >> > bright, you can't get that. > > >> > > > >> > joe smith > > >> > > > >> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" ><znowakowski@u...> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > >> > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > >> > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > >> > > By SHARON WATERS > > >> > > STAFF WRITER > > >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist >who ran > > >> > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the >New > > >> > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of >commissioners > > >> > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > >> > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's >redevelopment > > >> > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink >built. > > >> > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service >to > > >> > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find >out the > > >> > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > >> > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get >completed > > >>as > > >> > soon as possible," said Bright. > > >> > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes >and build > > >> > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the >surrounding > > >> > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > > >> > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three >units at > > >> > 238 George St. began last month. > > >> > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about >35 > > >>families > > >> > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining > > >>families > > >> > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI >Coordinator John > > >> > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > >> > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's >no > > >> > housing to move into," said Bright. > > >> > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some >replacement > > >> > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process > > >>matured, > > >> > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building >of any > > >> > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn >Patterson, > > >> > director of the city's department of planning, community and > > >>economic > > >> > development, has said. > > >> > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue >to work > > >> > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > >> > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, >2005. > > >> > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by >Keith A. > > >> > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > > >> > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City >Council > > >>and > > >> > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > >> > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 >mayor's > > >> > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on >various > > >> > issues, including its appointed school board. > > >> > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > >> > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to >working with > > >> > Bright. > > >> > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we >expect that > > >> > he will be an integral member of the board of >commissioners," said > > >> > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > >> > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," >said the > > >> > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to >cooperate with > > >> > him." > > >> > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in >mechanical > > >> > engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the >city's > > >> > Republican Party. > > >> > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. 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Letter to the Star Ledger Editor Regarding your editorial comparing New Brunswick's Republican Party Chairperson appointment to the city's Housing Authority to "seating a Marxist on the old House Un-American Activities Committee": Frank Bright will certainly be a wrench in the well oiled gears of the corrupt Democratic Machine and its fast-track gentrification plans. The city is now attempting to evict thirty-five more struggling families from public housing before promised replacement housing has been constructed. The justification, as always, is that poor people stand in the way of market-rate development. New Brunswick's main street has long been a story of two city's--the side that caters to upper-income commuters and side where poor residents are left unemployed in rotting homes to be harassed by the NBPD. But the Machine' class warfare against the people met serious resistance in the recent City Council Elections where the Peoples' Campaign ticket won a third of the votes. Bright, far from a Marxist, was very involved with this challenge to the Democrats, working side by side with actual revolutionaries and progressives in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority rule. But Bright split after his right-wing social and political agenda caused him to loose his leadership position. He must now be mindful of the democratic principles which galvanized our campaign, and immediately demand that an elected public housing resident be brought to the board, as the city has neglected to do. He must also demand an immediate halt to the evictions. He should also be mindful that any anti-democratic Bushwhacking of these duties to the people will quickly bring him the same formidable grass-roots resistance that the Machine is now receiving. Matthew Smith, Newark Student at the New Jersey School of Architecture & former New Brunswick Resident (973) 454-4701 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
it is incomprehensible to state that a republican operative will be a "wrench in the gears of gentrification plans". that bright worked "side-by-side with revolutionaries for democracy". bright openly exploited progressive unrest to fill his republican organization. to promote his right wing agenda. his attacks on democratic corruption, like bush's, were always from the right. he never concealed this. at the pc convention, he attacked joe smith's election to the steering committee as chair of the elected school board committee, on the grounds that joe was a marxist. after(!) this, njfo backed his election to the steering committee as against local youth activist jason hankins, who was nominated by block-on-lock. why? he dangled an office before them, and the petty leadership of njfo has never failed to put material gain before peoples organization. after the convention, before we touched on warren's sellout, we submitted an expose' of bright's counter-revolutionary agenda to the steering committee. it was ignored. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Letter to the Star Ledger Editor > > Regarding your editorial comparing New Brunswick's Republican Party > Chairperson appointment to the city's Housing Authority to "seating a > Marxist on the old House Un-American Activities Committee": Frank Bright > will certainly be a wrench in the well oiled gears of the corrupt Democratic > Machine and its fast-track gentrification plans. The city is now attempting > to evict thirty-five more struggling families from public housing before > promised replacement housing has been constructed. The justification, as > always, is that poor people stand in the way of market-rate development. > New Brunswick's main street has long been a story of two city's--the side > that caters to upper-income commuters and side where poor residents are left > unemployed in rotting homes to be harassed by the NBPD. But the Machine' > class warfare against the people met serious resistance in the recent City > Council Elections where the Peoples' Campaign ticket won a third of the > votes. > > Bright, far from a Marxist, was very involved with this challenge to the > Democrats, working side by side with actual revolutionaries and progressives > in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority rule. But Bright > split after his right-wing social and political agenda caused him to loose > his leadership position. He must now be mindful of the democratic > principles which galvanized our campaign, and immediately demand that an > elected public housing resident be brought to the board, as the city has > neglected to do. He must also demand an immediate halt to the evictions. > He should also be mindful that any anti-democratic Bushwhacking of these > duties to the people will quickly bring him the same formidable grass-roots > resistance that the Machine is now receiving. > > Matthew Smith, Newark > Student at the New Jersey School of Architecture > & former New Brunswick Resident > (973) 454-4701 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Balance in New Brunswick
03/09/01
Few agencies have had as much influence on New
Brunswick and its evolution in recent years as the
city's powerful Housing and Redevelopment
Authority.
It approves or rejects all redevelopment projects and
oversees public housing in New Brunswick, where
political clout has long been locked up by the local
Democratic machine.
So filling a vacancy on the authority with a man who
not only is a prominent city gadfly, but also the head
of its feeble Republican Party, is tantamount to
seating a Marxist on the old House un-American
Activities Committee.
The appointment of Frank Bright promises to bring
new meaning to the term "lively discussion" at
authority meetings. The 34-year-old mechanical
engineer is known for prickly public attacks on city
Democrats.
The public should be the beneficiary. Real diversity
on a powerful public board is always an asset. It
makes it far more likely that there will be genuine
debate on important issues -- and public scrutiny of
official actions.
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Bright could right board
A Home News Tribune editorial
This page still believes a tenant deserves a place on the
New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Board, but the state
Department of Community Affairs also has taken an
important and constructive step in naming its representative: it has
appointed a
Republican.
Frank Bright, a firebrand who once challenged Mayor James
Cahill, already has upset city Democrats' cozy little
I'm-OK-you're-OK love fest, speaking this week with
necessary bluntness about the Housing Authority's HOPE VI project.
The Authority continues to assert the project is on
schedule, even though ground has not been broken on replacement
housing that
was supposed to be finished before residents were moved
from New Brunswick Homes. Now, faced with the result of its own
ineffectiveness -- at least 29 families have found nowhere
to go -- the authority has resorted to official eviction proceedings
against the remaining tenants.
Bright said this week he will oppose the authority's
eviction proceedings and will insist the replacement housing get
completed as
soon as possible. The hope is that he can make that
happen. At least Bright seems determined not to let the authority and
its city
soldiers fool themselves into believing their own spin.
Sometimes a dissident within is the most important first step.
from the Home News Tribune
Published: March 9, 2001
Cliff- Re:
"First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000
Using this formulation back up your position on Curtis shows just how absurd
it is. You're seriously going to compare him to "Klan, Nazi, Lynch mob
underground"?!! Are you for real? We're talking about a guy who beat the
odds growing up in NB's poor African-American community, fought off
substance abuse, dragged his working-class self to work every day struggling
to get by and was living in a god-damn trailer up until the campaign because
he had to, not because he was a suburban college boy drop out who moved to
the hood and thinking he was a "ghetto-kid" in Nutley (your words). I've
heard him denounce J&J countless times in person, in meetings, in public
rallies against NB Killer Cops that HE organized, which takes a hell of a
lot more guts than it does for us being that he had to go home everyday and
face their intimidation & harassment after the crowds & cameras left.
Every time Baraka came around, whether at Rutgers or to our forums, Curtis
was the first in line to talk to him and ask his sage advice.
Always trying to improve his own neighborhoods, he was elected to represent
the people with an overwhelming percentage of votes, and for the first time
finding himself in a high pressure situation that he took extremely
seriously he makes a bad statement, something that could have been dealt
with in a discussion on the side, (after all, he was fully in support of the
condition that all public positions of the candidates must be met with a
vote from the steering committee) and you want to tar-and-feather him as a
"Corporate Running Dog" who's only in it for the $ though he's never
recieved a dime? Where do you get off with this "premeditated rehearsed
overtures to the enemy" nonsense?
Do you know that Baraka himself is constantly on Prudential in Newark to
give up resources to the community, and promotes the position that corporate
boards should be opened to the public representation? How hard would it
have been to point out to Curtis how "working with J&J" can be advantageous
to a community lacking basic resources (as in, we liberate what they have
taken from us) versus letting them take further advantage of the
grass-roots. Instead, you've egregiously assaulted his character and
motives for months. Maybe this has more to do with why you may be standing
in front of Frank's house by yourselves on Sunday, your interesting excuses
aside, just like you brought YOURSELVES to our "successful" Rt 1 protest of
Gestapo Steve Rogers's rally after scaring off our potential support with
your other PURIST, yet untactful, formulations. So your declarations to
"Unite" behind such sectarian tendencies ring a bit hollow.
I really try to support BOL/SWORD/CDRP/ETC where I can- I thought your
Community Mural project was brilliant...I've tried to rally support for a
letter writing campaign from the PC to demand that NB drop their charges
against you and Joe (believing that I stand the most to lose from our
charges being lumped together, as mine is basically my word against a
cop's)...etc, whatever. but you make it tough when you consistantly shoot
your own efforts in the foot, like with this ongoing tirade against Curtis.
You Unite,
Matthew
----Original Message Follows----
From: cliffsmith69@...
Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [njfo] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
right!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:00:30 -0000
keith,
we have included already in our press release of the sunday protest of
bright the "call on nb city officials, nb housing authority, and jim
mcgreevy, to condemn the appointment, and file federal suit to uphold
mandatory resident representation."
public housing residents have already expressed their support for
george berry's program in electing him president of the homes'
tenants' association. our protest is designed to draw attention to the
condition of nb public housing (evictions...), the federal requirement
of resident representation, and bright's illegal appointment, which is
being praised by the ledger & hnt.
the demand that bright support the call for elected resident rep is to
break the spell he has cast over local progressives by claiming to
support democracy & community control, as evidenced by his near
unanimous support in these posts.
the choice of his residence is to expose enemy agents in the midst of
the community, broader than the mere nbha seat. to take it right to
the republicans at their bases in our neighborhoods. to instill
confidence in the community that we dont have to accept these people.
i wouldnt expect public housing residents to immediately show at the
rally.
1- those remaining downtown are on their last legs. we moved a family
to wright pl. last weekend, they have more immediate concerns.
2- the protest is on short notice, i doubt we will be able to contact
many beforehand, which makes george st a good place for "agitation &
propoganda".
3- this isnt really correct criterion for the success of the protest.
we had 5 people march to convict marshall & chinchilla, and drew mass
attention to the trial. & this will bring attention to the evictions.
we will be at brights residence 4pm this and every sunday until the
5april eviction hearing.
re: curtis-
no one can question that we supported his nomination, voted for his
candidacy, gathered more petition signatures for his ballot req. than
any other grouping, put his name on all our lit. (as within the
peoples' campaign slate), endorsed him (as part of the slate) up &
down. supported his public events & invited him to ours. and spilt
blood stumping for him (which he mocks).
had curtis been an "ordinary" activist, yr criticism of our method
would be correct. (but even the argument over method ignores the more
important question of content. that is "where is njfo's or any of our
critics mo' better criticism of curtis???).
however, once curtis became the representative of the campaign, the
candidate for the community, our official spokesperson, he accepted
sacred responsibilities. 1st & foremost, to uphold the program of the
campaign.
curtis's public statements upon accepting his candidacy were not
off-the-cuff innocent misstatements. they were premeditated,
rehearsed, intentional overtures to the enemies of the people. once
his vote was won, he was untouchable and took off his mask.
"we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here to
do better." & we will work with j&j to solve nb's problems.
this is not a "contradiction among the people". it is republican
propoganda. deforest soaries is not warren's "religious leader" or a
"reverend" for purpose of political discussion. he is the nj
secretary-of-state to the republican bush-whitman-difransesco regime.
the republican organization lusts after nb/middlesex cty, and warren
is their local agent within the peoples forces. warren's m/o is
exactly soaries'.
"First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000
--- In njfo@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
> Cliff,
> I think that your analysis is basically correct. However, the
attack on
> Curtis is seriously mistaken. Again, I would refer you to Mao's "On
Correct
> handling of the Contradictions among the People". You continually
treat
> Curtis as an enemy when he has already proven himself to be a
courageous and
> dedicated working class organizer. That he is mistaken when he
defends
> Frank's appointment should be discussed in a spirit of unity using
methods of
> discussion and persuasion.
> NJFO shortsightedly enlisted numerous people including myself
to get
> Frank made the chair of the Republican Party. In retrospect this was
a
> serious mistake.This mistake has not been discussed nor its
implications.
> Frank Bright has proven himself to be a Judas and a snake in the
grass.
> The appointment of Frank Bright is certainly a violation of Federal
Law and
> both the Republican community affairs department and the local
democrats can
> agree on one thing for sure to screw the people in this case public
housing
> residents who have been denied representation again.
> The main lesson of this past election cycle is that the local
struggle
> can not be seperated from the national struggle and the local
strategy and
> tactics must coincide with national strategy and tactics.
> This lesson in my opinion was learnt through struggle and prcatice.
There is
> nothing wrong with making mistakes. Only those who don't do anything
don't
> make mistakes. But mistakes must be corrected.
>
> I see nothing to gain by demonstaring in front of Frank's house. I
will
> gladly admit that I am wrong about this if public housing residents
outnumber
> SWORD members at this demonstration, but I seriously doubt it.
>
> A lawsuit against all bodies that appoint to the housing authority
combined
> with agiation and propaganda around the issue seems to me the better
course
> of action. An election should be organized by public housing
residents to
> choose their representaive. In that case a real alternative to the
current
> appointees would exist. You demand that:
> "dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> berry's call for elected resident representation."
> This demand reveals where you are mistaken and why the present
course of
> action was chosen (a protest in front of Frank's house). We don't
need Frank
> to back George Berry's demand, we need public housing residents in
particular
> and the New Brunswick people in general to back George Berry's
demand. Who
> cares what Frank Bright does? We should expect him to behave as the
chair of
> the party that represents the greatest threat to the majority of
people in
> this country. Time and energy could be much better spent organizing
residents
> to chose their represenative and preparing to struggle to get that
person on
> the housing authority. This is much harder work that picketing in
front of
> Frank's house, but it will be much more fruitful.
>
> Take care,
> Keith
>
>
> liffsmith69@h... wrote:
>
> > the nj republican state dept. of community affairs' appointment of
nb
> > republican party chair Dim Liar to the nb housing authority board,
is
> > more than a violation of federal law requiring resident
> > representation
> > on the board. &more than kicking the ousted projects residents
while
> > theyre down.
> >
> > it is a republican party gubenatorial campaign maneuver to
establish
> > a
> > republican stronghold, with skunk soaries & protege ("we have to
> > start
> > somewhere...") republican ClassWarrin,$r., in mcgreasy's backyard.
> >
> > the social democratic liberal posturing which put bush2 in the
white
> > house locally put dim liar in the housing authority, by boosting
him
> > &
> > the nb republican party.
> >
> > at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
final
> > executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
liar
> > (after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
elected
> > board of education committee, on grounds that joe is a
communist.).
> >
> > hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
(motorcades...),
> > and possible victory.
> >
> > rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
> > enlist
> > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> > pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> > rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
power
> > out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> > the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
> > right
> > from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
isolated.
> >
> > dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> > all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> > skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
> > allocated
> > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> > protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> > chair dim liar.
> >
> > republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
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Official Text of Rep. Major Owens speech in Congress on 3/8/01
regarding WBAI and Pacifica
======================
RADIO FREE SPEECH IS BEING DENIED IN NEW YORK CITY
Mr. Speaker, tyrants in control of totalitarian countries like China,
Serbia and Iraq consider control of the airwaves an absolute
necessity. They ruthlessly enforce censorship of a kind few of us in
America can imagine. On last Monday, however, I had the weird
and frightening experience of being gagged by a radio station
manager in my own home city of New York. It started with a
routine request that I call in for a phone interview on a show hosted
on Radio Station WBAI by Ken Nash which focuses on union and
labor news and features. The name of the show which commences
at 2 P.M. was "Building Bridges." As the Ranking Democrat on
the Workforce Protections Subcommittee I welcome the chance to
appear on shows related to working families or unions.
It is important to note that Radio Station, WBAI is a non-profit
station which runs primarily on contributions solicited from its
mass of diverse listeners. Since last December this station has
experienced considerable turmoil internally and long-term
producers and hosts have been fired or locked out of the station.
Like many New Yorkers I am concerned about the present and
future of this vital outlet for free speech on the radio. Without
knowing all of the specific tensions and confrontations within the
station I have indicated my interest in working toward the resolution
of the problems hampering the continuation of the unique and
robust programming at WBAI.
It is important to note that I am presently seeking ways to get more
avenues opened for radio free speech in my City. Five low-powered
Haitian stations have been shut down. The survival of WBAI is vital
for the entire movement seeking more access to the airways. The
bully monopolies of commercial radio provide the continuing
roadblocks. My knowledge of the reputation of certain recent
appointments to the Board of Pacifica Network, which is the parent
non-profit institution responsible for WBAI, leads me to conclude
that there is a clear and immediate danger that attempts will be
made to sell WBAI to a commercial owner. Such a sale would
mean the loss of a vital voice for working families in NYC.
My beliefs and point-of-view are considered heresy by Station
Manager Utrice Leid. Without explanation or apology she shut
down the microphones and proclaimed that she had to intervene
because it was her job to allow only the "truth" over the airwaves.
The following is a summary of the statement I would have made
had I not been censured and shut off:
The situation at WBAI has implications far beyond this one station.
Freedom of speech over the airwaves via radio, broadcast
television, and cable television is presently quite limited for the
majority of Americans. We have a problem of great magnitude that
is not being appropriately addressed. The WBAI arrangement and
structure offered one model to be emulated. As a listener
supported station with a very diverse set of programs, procedures
and guests, WBAI represents the optimum use of radio in the
service of ordinary people.
When I attended the memorial service for the late Samori
Marksman, former WBAI Station Manager, last year in that great
hall at St. John's Cathedral, I saw a more diverse assembly than I
have seen anywhere in New York City. Folks from all races,
religions, income levels and political persuasions were there.
There were intellectual snobs who support programs broadcasting
esoteric operas mingling with radical, grassroots political activists.
Indeed, as a politician, one immediate reaction I experienced as I
contemplated all of that diversity with solidarity was a concern that
some people in powerful places would perceive WBAI as a threat.
The term "power structure" applies to forces that are very real. And
I felt that this "power structure" would seek to destroy what the
WBAI Community has created.
WBAI represents radio freedom of speech that does not make a
profit for anyone. There are those who see profits being made via
WBAI and other Pacifica stations. There are others in powerful
places who feel that only commercial stations should exist; or if
there are public stations, they should be indirectly controlled by
corporate grants and benign corporate advertisements.
Some of the persons who have recently been appointed to the
Pacifica Board represent such powerful commercial interests. In
my opinion, WBAI is an endangered station as long as such
business predators are on the Pacifica Board. Persons far
removed from the original ideals and philosophy of the founders of
the Pacifica chain are not likely to promote the original intent of
this very well conceived system.
A basic question which must be tested as soon as possible in the
courts is: Who owns a non-profit entity and who has a right to sell
non-profit radio stations? Does the original charter or licensing by
FCC permit any group of trustees or directors to treat Pacifica and
WBAI as if they are commercial entities?
While the Pacifica turmoil is raging, I strongly urge WBAI to seek
to preserve its free speech function in New York City by exploring
the necessary steps to become independent of Pacifica. As a non-
profit entity WBAI should use the university structure as a model.
It should elect a Broad of Trustees through a voting process
utilizing its contributors and supporters as the voters. The
Trustees should be responsible for basic business operations while
the producers and staff should be given a role similar to the faculty
at a university. Basic freedoms similar to academic freedom and
tenure should be conferred upon longstanding producers and long-
term paid and unpaid staff participants.
I offer this as one model to preserve WBAI as a bastion of radio
free speech. We need to broaden the efforts to promote such free
speech via radio. New technology that permits small low powered
stations to broadcast at low costs has provided new possibilities
for greater avenues to radio free speech; however, five Haitian
stations have been shut down in my district and been declared to
be "pirate stations". There is a great need to test the long accepted
rules and regulations of the FCC. Too much of the status quo as
reinforced by the 1996 Telecommunications Act borders on the
unconstitutional denial of freedom of speech.
There is a larger free speech war to be engaged; however, first we
must preserve the solidarity and diversity on the airwaves as
represented by WBAI.
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CLiff wrote: it is incomprehensible to state that a republican operative will be a "wrench in the gears of gentrification plans". that bright worked "side-by-side with revolutionaries for democracy". I never said that he worked "side by side with rev's for democracy" ...I said Bright was "working side by side with actual revolutionaries and progressives ***in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority rule*** [before he got ousted by the people from his leadership]." This is true, no? Don't twist my shit to invent something impure to attack. You Unite, Matthew **** I swear to god I'm trying not to make this a Smith-Brother's sounding board. Can we exchange irrelevant barbs like this directly to each other in the future as Mark suggested? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
paul, doing nothing since the election is real beat. i think that is why your sarcasm is constantly on every action/event for the new brunswick community that i and others have brought up. i think your attitude comes from the level of activity you are dealing with. need i reprint your posts to make this point. my berating/criticism of people is to expose them at their points as not being my allies, nor allies of the people's campaign, can you explain your sarcasm? >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:59:56 -0000 > >Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we have nothing in common. You and >your >bro make that abundantly clear. If the campaign and njfo and myself are so >beat, then why do you spend so much time weighing in on our business? Why >do >you want real beat people to support you in court? Why do you constantly >berate people who would be your allies and then accuse me of holding back >the movement with my sarcastic comments? > >I'm done with these lists. > >Paul > > >From: wacbush01@... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Fwd: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages > >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:51:51 -0000 > > > >to paul, you are real beat. your sarcasm moves nothing foward, > >especially when it is pitted at people who are getting things done. > >although i, and infinite others, have been expelled from the people's > >campaign, i have done nothing but promote people's campaign platform > >and raise practical tasks we can accomplish as our relationship > >exists. joe > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> wrote: > > > > > > >Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages > > > >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500 > > > >> > > > >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office > >space > > > >>rather > > > >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright > >to be > > > >>on > > > >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community > >youth > > > >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. > >then > > > >>let's > > > >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the > >republican > > > >>party > > > >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, > >which no > > > >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such > >position. you > > > >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community > >control > > > >>by > > > >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after > >winning > > > >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the > >most > > > >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to > >the > > > >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the > >board of ed > > > >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one > >more. > > > >>let's > > > >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election > >vs. doing > > > >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at > >leaps > > > >>and > > > >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example). > > > >> > > > >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and > >i'd like > > > >>to > > > >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is > >better than > > > >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. > >now you > > > >>know so much. > > > >> > > > >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with > > > >>self-criticism, > > > >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how > >long > > > >>after that before working to organize community base? > > > >> > > > >>when is the production meeting? > > > >> > > > >>joe smith > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > > > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"... > > > >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42 > > > >> > > > > >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment: > > > >> > > > > >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of > >the First > > > >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after > >accepting > > > >> >the > > > >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman. I hear he used > >to be a > > > >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained > >a local > > > >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a > >bullet to the > > > >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who > >last I > > > >> >heard > > > >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing > >this > > > >>police > > > >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain > >and to > > > >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First > >Baptist > > > >> >Church > > > >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the > >NB/Franklin > > > >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen > >on many > > > >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around > >town, > > > >>such > > > >> >as > > > >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the > >black vote > > > >>and > > > >> >buying off certain black ministers. More recently, he welcomed > >Bush2 > > > >>into > > > >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black > >vote. In > > > >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in > >part > > > >> >because > > > >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB > >Coalition > > > >>Against > > > >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of > >Sissy Adams > > > >>in > > > >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish > >for > > > >>years. > > > >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of > >political & > > > >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies > >by > > > >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a > >"hands-off" > > > >>policy > > > >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to > >struggle > > > >>over > > > >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to > >defuse > > > >>internal > > > >> >tentions while pointing out differences. But I think this > >started to > > > >> >become > > > >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black > > > >> >Conservative" spokesperson. On the other hand, he has a bit of > >the > > > >>Frank > > > >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, > >bloody-handed > > > >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if > >temporarily, > > > >>with > > > >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and > >causes--most > > > >> >recently > > > >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his > >predominantly black, > > > >> >middle-class parish. Of course, his being African-American has > >led him > > > >>to > > > >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as > >he > > > >>himself > > > >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic. > > > >> > > > > >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a > >matter of > > > >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against > >Soaries' > > > >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the > >inherant > > > >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, > >and the > > > >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger > >enemy); > > > >>all > > > >> >of > > > >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies > >in the > > > >> >community. However, the purists amongst us have long held that > >impure > > > >>must > > > >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable > >(kind of > > > >>like > > > >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good > >job of > > > >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the > >years...hence > > > >>"Sucker > > > >> >Soaries". > > > >> > > > > >> >Matthew Smith > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >----Original Message Follows---- > > > >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...> > > > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...> > > > >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing > >job > > > >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500 > > > >> > > > > >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"? > > > >> > > > > >> >Erric Z. > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > >> > From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...] > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM > > > >> > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >> > Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing > >job > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will > > > >> > immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing > > > >> > authority and demand that backwards, twisted > >whitman/difransesco > > > >> > board that appointed him comply with federal law that > >housing > > > >> > authority must consist of residents from public housing. > >bright is > > > >> > being used along with sucker soaries to build up a > >republican > > > >> > stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates > >black > > > >> > culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for > >crossroads. > > > >> > anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of > > > >> > republican state appointment then city council of NB > >appointing > > > >> > beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist > > > >>apointed..." > > > >> > bright, you can't get that. > > > >> > > > > >> > joe smith > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" > ><znowakowski@u...> > > > >> > wrote: > > > >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job > > > >> > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 > > > >> > > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda > > > >> > > By SHARON WATERS > > > >> > > STAFF WRITER > > > >> > > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist > >who ran > > > >> > unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the > >New > > > >> > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of > >commissioners > > > >> > by the state Department of Community Affairs. > > > >> > > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's > >redevelopment > > > >> > and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink > >built. > > > >> > > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service > >to > > > >> > residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find > >out the > > > >> > reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. > > > >> > > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get > >completed > > > >>as > > > >> > soon as possible," said Bright. > > > >> > > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes > >and build > > > >> > 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the > >surrounding > > > >> > neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new > > > >> > construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three > >units at > > > >> > 238 George St. began last month. > > > >> > > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about > >35 > > > >>families > > > >> > who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining > > > >>families > > > >> > -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI > >Coordinator John > > > >> > Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. > > > >> > > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's > >no > > > >> > housing to move into," said Bright. > > > >> > > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some > >replacement > > > >> > housing before all residents had to move. But as the process > > > >>matured, > > > >> > the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building > >of any > > > >> > replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn > >Patterson, > > > >> > director of the city's department of planning, community and > > > >>economic > > > >> > development, has said. > > > >> > > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue > >to work > > > >> > with residents to help them find alternative housing. > > > >> > > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, > >2005. > > > >> > > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by > >Keith A. > > > >> > Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six > > > >> > commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City > >Council > > > >>and > > > >> > one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. > > > >> > > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 > >mayor's > > > >> > race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on > >various > > > >> > issues, including its appointed school board. > > > >> > > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. > > > >> > > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to > >working with > > > >> > Bright. > > > >> > > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we > >expect that > > > >> > he will be an integral member of the board of > >commissioners," said > > > >> > Executive Director Kevin Quince. > > > >> > > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," > >said the > > > >> > board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to > >cooperate with > > > >> > him." > > > >> > > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in > >mechanical > > > >> > engineering and physics. 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"we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here
to do better." you compare this overture to j&j to baraka's
demanding resources??? tho it was not we who made demands
of "expulsion", speaking of sectarianism. we put forward our view.
you dont need to get behind it, but you do need to unite on the basis
of everyone states their position and opposes imperialism.
steve rogers also condemns police brutality. tom ass clarence also
pulled himeslf by the bootstraps.
warren defends his open public statements. why should this be dealt
with "on the side"? why not openly, above board? warren also backs
bright & mocks joe for being assaulted by kevin jones. he is soaries'
registered republican protege. deny it.
why do you refer to the republican secretary of state as a "religious
leader"? why do you hate on our shutdown of rogers' rally? why do
hate on our protest of the nb republican party chair? we also
protested marshall & chinchilla's trial alone & won. where was the
coalition against police brutality?
i think it was we who informed you of rogers' rally, & the exposures
of racist profiling continue to be successful, liberal wavering
notwithstanding. see you in trenton may 19, if njfo/pc ever decides
to get with it...
& who are you calling "dropout", liar? you talk like you know
something about me. i didnt come from nutley, sonnyboy, & i aint
suckin its teats.
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> Cliff- Re:
>
> "First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
> anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
> PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
> mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
> in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
> Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000
>
> Using this formulation back up your position on Curtis shows just
how absurd
> it is. You're seriously going to compare him to "Klan, Nazi, Lynch
mob
> underground"?!! Are you for real? We're talking about a guy who
beat the
> odds growing up in NB's poor African-American community, fought off
> substance abuse, dragged his working-class self to work every day
struggling
> to get by and was living in a god-damn trailer up until the
campaign because
> he had to, not because he was a suburban college boy drop out who
moved to
> the hood and thinking he was a "ghetto-kid" in Nutley (your
words). I've
> heard him denounce J&J countless times in person, in meetings, in
public
> rallies against NB Killer Cops that HE organized, which takes a
hell of a
> lot more guts than it does for us being that he had to go home
everyday and
> face their intimidation & harassment after the crowds & cameras
left.
> Every time Baraka came around, whether at Rutgers or to our forums,
Curtis
> was the first in line to talk to him and ask his sage advice.
> Always trying to improve his own neighborhoods, he was elected to
represent
> the people with an overwhelming percentage of votes, and for the
first time
> finding himself in a high pressure situation that he took extremely
> seriously he makes a bad statement, something that could have been
dealt
> with in a discussion on the side, (after all, he was fully in
support of the
> condition that all public positions of the candidates must be met
with a
> vote from the steering committee) and you want to tar-and-feather
him as a
> "Corporate Running Dog" who's only in it for the $ though he's
never
> recieved a dime? Where do you get off with this "premeditated
rehearsed
> overtures to the enemy" nonsense?
>
> Do you know that Baraka himself is constantly on Prudential in
Newark to
> give up resources to the community, and promotes the position that
corporate
> boards should be opened to the public representation? How hard
would it
> have been to point out to Curtis how "working with J&J" can be
advantageous
> to a community lacking basic resources (as in, we liberate what
they have
> taken from us) versus letting them take further advantage of the
> grass-roots. Instead, you've egregiously assaulted his character
and
> motives for months. Maybe this has more to do with why you may be
standing
> in front of Frank's house by yourselves on Sunday, your interesting
excuses
> aside, just like you brought YOURSELVES to our "successful" Rt 1
protest of
> Gestapo Steve Rogers's rally after scaring off our potential
support with
> your other PURIST, yet untactful, formulations. So your
declarations to
> "Unite" behind such sectarian tendencies ring a bit hollow.
>
> I really try to support BOL/SWORD/CDRP/ETC where I can- I thought
your
> Community Mural project was brilliant...I've tried to rally support
for a
> letter writing campaign from the PC to demand that NB drop their
charges
> against you and Joe (believing that I stand the most to lose from
our
> charges being lumped together, as mine is basically my word against
a
> cop's)...etc, whatever. but you make it tough when you consistantly
shoot
> your own efforts in the foot, like with this ongoing tirade against
Curtis.
>
> You Unite,
> Matthew
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: cliffsmith69@h...
> Reply-To: njfo@y...
> To: njfo@y...
> Subject: [njfo] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on
the
> right!
> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:00:30 -0000
>
> keith,
>
> we have included already in our press release of the sunday protest
of
> bright the "call on nb city officials, nb housing authority, and jim
> mcgreevy, to condemn the appointment, and file federal suit to
uphold
> mandatory resident representation."
>
> public housing residents have already expressed their support for
> george berry's program in electing him president of the homes'
> tenants' association. our protest is designed to draw attention to
the
> condition of nb public housing (evictions...), the federal
requirement
> of resident representation, and bright's illegal appointment, which
is
> being praised by the ledger & hnt.
>
> the demand that bright support the call for elected resident rep is
to
> break the spell he has cast over local progressives by claiming to
> support democracy & community control, as evidenced by his near
> unanimous support in these posts.
>
> the choice of his residence is to expose enemy agents in the midst
of
> the community, broader than the mere nbha seat. to take it right to
> the republicans at their bases in our neighborhoods. to instill
> confidence in the community that we dont have to accept these
people.
>
> i wouldnt expect public housing residents to immediately show at the
> rally.
> 1- those remaining downtown are on their last legs. we moved a
family
> to wright pl. last weekend, they have more immediate concerns.
> 2- the protest is on short notice, i doubt we will be able to
contact
> many beforehand, which makes george st a good place
for "agitation &
> propoganda".
> 3- this isnt really correct criterion for the success of the
protest.
> we had 5 people march to convict marshall & chinchilla, and drew
mass
> attention to the trial. & this will bring attention to the
evictions.
>
> we will be at brights residence 4pm this and every sunday until the
> 5april eviction hearing.
>
> re: curtis-
>
> no one can question that we supported his nomination, voted for his
> candidacy, gathered more petition signatures for his ballot req.
than
> any other grouping, put his name on all our lit. (as within the
> peoples' campaign slate), endorsed him (as part of the slate) up &
> down. supported his public events & invited him to ours. and spilt
> blood stumping for him (which he mocks).
>
> had curtis been an "ordinary" activist, yr criticism of our method
> would be correct. (but even the argument over method ignores the
more
> important question of content. that is "where is njfo's or any of
our
> critics mo' better criticism of curtis???).
>
> however, once curtis became the representative of the campaign, the
> candidate for the community, our official spokesperson, he accepted
> sacred responsibilities. 1st & foremost, to uphold the program of
the
> campaign.
>
> curtis's public statements upon accepting his candidacy were not
> off-the-cuff innocent misstatements. they were premeditated,
> rehearsed, intentional overtures to the enemies of the people. once
> his vote was won, he was untouchable and took off his mask.
>
> "we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here
to
> do better." & we will work with j&j to solve nb's problems.
>
> this is not a "contradiction among the people". it is republican
> propoganda. deforest soaries is not warren's "religious leader" or
a
> "reverend" for purpose of political discussion. he is the nj
> secretary-of-state to the republican bush-whitman-difransesco
regime.
> the republican organization lusts after nb/middlesex cty, and warren
> is their local agent within the peoples forces. warren's m/o is
> exactly soaries'.
>
> "First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
> anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
> PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
> mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
> in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
> Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000
>
>
> --- In njfo@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
> > Cliff,
> > I think that your analysis is basically correct. However,
the
> attack on
> > Curtis is seriously mistaken. Again, I would refer you to
Mao's "On
> Correct
> > handling of the Contradictions among the People". You continually
> treat
> > Curtis as an enemy when he has already proven himself to be a
> courageous and
> > dedicated working class organizer. That he is mistaken when he
> defends
> > Frank's appointment should be discussed in a spirit of unity
using
> methods of
> > discussion and persuasion.
> > NJFO shortsightedly enlisted numerous people including
myself
> to get
> > Frank made the chair of the Republican Party. In retrospect this
was
> a
> > serious mistake.This mistake has not been discussed nor its
> implications.
> > Frank Bright has proven himself to be a Judas and a snake in
the
> grass.
> > The appointment of Frank Bright is certainly a violation of
Federal
> Law and
> > both the Republican community affairs department and the local
> democrats can
> > agree on one thing for sure to screw the people in this case
public
> housing
> > residents who have been denied representation again.
> > The main lesson of this past election cycle is that the
local
> struggle
> > can not be seperated from the national struggle and the local
> strategy and
> > tactics must coincide with national strategy and tactics.
> > This lesson in my opinion was learnt through struggle and
prcatice.
> There is
> > nothing wrong with making mistakes. Only those who don't do
anything
> don't
> > make mistakes. But mistakes must be corrected.
> >
> > I see nothing to gain by demonstaring in front of Frank's
house. I
> will
> > gladly admit that I am wrong about this if public housing
residents
> outnumber
> > SWORD members at this demonstration, but I seriously doubt it.
> >
> > A lawsuit against all bodies that appoint to the housing
authority
> combined
> > with agiation and propaganda around the issue seems to me the
better
> course
> > of action. An election should be organized by public housing
> residents to
> > choose their representaive. In that case a real alternative to
the
> current
> > appointees would exist. You demand that:
> > "dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > berry's call for elected resident representation."
> > This demand reveals where you are mistaken and why the present
> course of
> > action was chosen (a protest in front of Frank's house). We don't
> need Frank
> > to back George Berry's demand, we need public housing residents
in
> particular
> > and the New Brunswick people in general to back George Berry's
> demand. Who
> > cares what Frank Bright does? We should expect him to behave as
the
> chair of
> > the party that represents the greatest threat to the majority of
> people in
> > this country. Time and energy could be much better spent
organizing
> residents
> > to chose their represenative and preparing to struggle to get
that
> person on
> > the housing authority. This is much harder work that picketing
in
> front of
> > Frank's house, but it will be much more fruitful.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > liffsmith69@h... wrote:
> >
> > > the nj republican state dept. of community affairs'
appointment of
> nb
> > > republican party chair Dim Liar to the nb housing authority
board,
> is
> > > more than a violation of federal law requiring resident
> > > representation
> > > on the board. &more than kicking the ousted projects residents
> while
> > > theyre down.
> > >
> > > it is a republican party gubenatorial campaign maneuver to
> establish
> > > a
> > > republican stronghold, with skunk soaries & protege ("we have
to
> > > start
> > > somewhere...") republican ClassWarrin,$r., in mcgreasy's
backyard.
> > >
> > > the social democratic liberal posturing which put bush2 in the
> white
> > > house locally put dim liar in the housing authority, by
boosting
> him
> > > &
> > > the nb republican party.
> > >
> > > at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > > activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
> final
> > > executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > > socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > > peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair
dim
> liar
> > > (after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
> elected
> > > board of education committee, on grounds that joe is a
> communist.).
> > >
> > > hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
> (motorcades...),
> > > and possible victory.
> > >
> > > rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
> > > enlist
> > > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim
liar
> > > pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > > rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!),
seize
> > > power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
> power
> > > out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > > the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive
the
> > > right
> > > from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
> isolated.
> > >
> > > dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > > berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > > all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against
remaining
> > > projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > > skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
> > > allocated
> > > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > > protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican
party
> > > chair dim liar.
> > >
> > > republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > > revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
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um, i miss the twist in yr shit. point is, you try to say bright played some progressive role in attacking the Democrat corruption from the right, to cover the njfo/pc prostitution to his office. which is to further prop him up. bright was a republican operative from jump. and we opposed him at every turn. this is true, no? unite. not with republicans. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > CLiff wrote: > > it is incomprehensible to state that a republican operative will be a > "wrench in the gears of gentrification plans". that bright worked > "side-by-side with revolutionaries for democracy". > > I never said that he worked "side by side with rev's for democracy" ...I > said Bright was "working side by side with actual revolutionaries and > progressives ***in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority > rule*** [before he got ousted by the people from his leadership]." > > This is true, no? Don't twist my shit to invent something impure to attack. > > You Unite, > Matthew > > **** > I swear to god I'm trying not to make this a Smith-Brother's sounding board. > Can we exchange irrelevant barbs like this directly to each other in the > future as Mark suggested? > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
steering committee, 1st meeting after convention: is communism divisive? or who are the peoples' enemies? does the peoples' campaign steering committee stand with the attempts by steering committee member frank bright to slander elected board of education campaign coordinator joe smith, to sabotage the campaign for an elected board of education, and to subvert the democratic vote of the peoples' convention? bright, claiming to lead the democratic petty "middle" class of nb, having lost his challenge to smith's coordination of the peoples' campaign nomination of jim luceno (tho succeeding in formalizing the internal opposition where njfo failed in its nomination of zofia nowakowski) has switched in his accusing smith of "divisiveness" to anti-democratic methods of advancing his position. does bright represent the steering committee in his attack on joe? the people of new brunswick, understanding their condition, responded to our survey that the education system in new brunswick was the most important issue in the city. the peoples' convention, recognizing this mandate and recognizing joe smith's unquestionable production toward a democratic peoples' education system formalized joe's leadership of this struggle placing him, as coordinator, on the strategic & tactical committees. for bright, after joe's victory, to attack joe as being "divisive to the campaign" not only slanders joe and undermines the decision of the convention, but actually, from his position on hte steering committee, attempts to provoke attacks on the campaign and is himself being divisive. to succeed, our platform must have the uncompromising support of the steering committee which demands that they address themselves to bright's accusation. no doubt the peoples' control over education divides most clearly the representatives of the people from the representatives of imperialism. to succeed, our campaign must establish which is which. signed, cliff smith, joe smith, nicole engel, angela jackson, samantha prince steering committee has yet to respond...
Again you have misunderstood me. I was not mocking your brother but merely pointing out a fact. The punch Kevin Jones threw was called a "sucker" punch and since Joe was defining "suckers" I thought it best that he knew that he forgot to duck from one! I love my pastor and he is my religious leader. The fact that I have the strength to believe in God and leaders who bring the message is my choice and I choose to protect their reputation in my circle as much as possible. I feel about my religious leader like you feel about your sacred cause. I am not the enemy. As far as the coalition against police brutality, we are in a restructuring mode and we at a disadvantage to come to anyone's aide who might need us. I am not going to go back and forth with you Cliff. But I will say this. As long as you continue to waste precious moments defining whether or not I am a true patriot of the cause, the true enemy is gaining ground and zeroing in on you! Peace my brother in the struggle! P.S. Tell Joe I'm looking for my subpoena so that I can get out of work. :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
For the record, I am against all political actions motivated individually by hatred, anger, or fear. I do not support such actions from the right or left or anywhere in between. Because of their intrinsic nature, they cannot lead to progress.
Dearest Flavio,
Please advise the Steering Committee I am attempting to work with all groups
in New Brunswick. To this effect, I will like to share with you the following
policy I am going propose:
1. No Eviction Policy: No resident will be forced to evict. Resident
must be fully satisfied with their move. Two reasons for this: eviction means
the loss of all public housing rights/priviledges, relocation costs ( rule of
thumb = $900.00) and others. The other reason is that poor planning on the
NBH&RA is not an emergency for residents, period. Any issues with any tenants
shall be discussed with no more than three commissioners present. Minutes
must be taken and approved. I respectfully request the PC to consider this
and respond. Will they support this through attendence of 3/28 meeting,
submit suggestions, etc.?
Please note this is a rough idea I will follow through on. The Commissioners
may be a part of a newly formed or existing committee. I will review by laws,
etc..
Please notify ASAP!
Frank
That last message was meant for Flavio. Sorry.
>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >To: "vivaohio" <vivaohio@...>, "Joe Smith" <can_bush@...>, >"Cliff Smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: letter to Cahill >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:45:54 -0500 > >Cliff, Joe, Matt- > >I sent this to Cahill today by snail mail. I'll get his e-mail and send it >to him that way too about the middle of next week. > >Dave _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Board's compliance with rules at issue
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01
An activist is calling for Republican Frank Bright to resign from the
New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority board of commissioners
only a week after Bright was appointed to the post.
Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary
Democracy, objects because the board does not yet have a member who
lives in public housing, as required by federal law.
The state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright.
Other than this appointment, there was one other opportunity to name a
public-housing resident to the board since the federal law took effect
in November 1999: The City Council reappointed Chairwoman Beatrice B.
Harris, a former public-housing resident, in April.
Meanwhile, a review of the city clerk's files for 1998 and 1999
revealed that only one commissioner had filed required
financial-disclosure statements.
from the Home News Tribune
Published: March 11, 2001
Housing-panel appointment attacked
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: A radical activist is protesting the recent appointment
of Frank Bright to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority
board of commissioners, calling the designation a "political
maneuver."
Last week, the state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright,
a Republican activist who has criticized the city's Democratic
leadership and ran unsuccessfully against Mayor James M. Cahill in
1998.
Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary
Democracy, wants Bright to resign and for city officials and the
Housing Authority to condemn the appointment.
He objects because a federal regulation, which took effect in November
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board and none
has been appointed.
Bright has no plans to resign and said because the commissioners are
not elected, they are political appointments. "There's no dodging that
issue," he said.
Appointment defendedWhen asked about Smith's charges, DCA spokesmen
said the DCA believes Bright will make an excellent commissioner, work
hard to serve the city and provide new ideas and leadership to the
Housing Authority.
"There was a determination made that this was the best candidate for
the position," said spokesman E.J. Miranda.
The DCA declined to say how many candidates were considered, whether
Bright was recommended or nominated himself, and whether the DCA
interviewed Bright.
"A bunch of different people" recommended him, said Bright, noting he
also recommended himself. Bright said he has talked to DCA staff for
three years about Housing Authority issues and had asked how
commissioners are appointed.
Bright asked around the city to see if anyone was interested in
serving but then "about a dozen prominent activists and community
leaders" said he should be the commissioner, Bright said. He would not
name who they are, saying people "don't need to know my support
structure."
Bright then approached Dennis Little, chairman of the Middlesex County
GOP Organization. Little said Bright applied, and he sent only
Bright's name to Trenton.
Little said Bright is dedicated to New Brunswick and is capable of
doing the job. But Mayor James M. Cahill, who said the city had no
idea the state was considering Bright, said he would not have selected
Bright "because of a lack of qualifications."
Saying Bright "has had a tendency to be disruptive and combative,"
Cahill said he was not familiar with what experience Bright would
bring to the table except a political background as chairman of New
Brunswick's Republican Party.
Little answered, "Bet you if (Bright) had 'Democrat' after his name,
he'd be qualified."
Bright provided a resume showing experience in mechanical engineering,
contract negotiations, construction layout and design, equipment
inspection and welding. He has degrees in mechanical engineering and
physics and currently designs explosive bolts for Cartridge Actuated
Devices in Fairfield, NJ.
Besides the DCA appointment, the mayor appoints one Housing Authority
commissioner and the City Council appoints five.
Resumes not suppliedThe commissioners appointed by Cahill and the
council were asked by a reporter last month to provide copies of their
resumes or work and volunteer experience. They declined the request
but had the Housing Authority Attorney James Horvath provide a list of
their current employer and "special experience." (Commissioner James
Scott later provided a resume.)
For the council's appointments, the list stated: Chairwoman Beatrice
B. Harris is retired and a former public-housing resident; Scott is a
self-employed consultant and former Housing Authority executive
director with experience with HUD rules and regulations; Jerry Mercado
works for Horizon Blue Cross/Blue Shield and has marketing and
scholarship-program experience; Anthony Giorgianni is an iron worker
with construction-management experience; Richard Kolesar works for US
Securities Association, is a member of a plumber's union and has
experience in construction trades and union-labor relations.
The mayor's appointment, Yirgu Wolde, works for NJ Home & Mortgage
Finance Agency with experience in housing management and
administration and the financing of affordable housing, according to
the list.
The commissioners declined to say how they were selected and whether
they were interviewed for the positions.
When asked why he appointed Wolde, Cahill provided an extensive list
of Wolde's past job duties and experience with HMFA and other
employers including processing special-needs housing requests,
preparing grant proposals and overseeing transitional-housing
programs. Wolde, with two master's degrees, also has reviewed,
processed and allocated low-income housing tax-credit applications,
Cahill said.
Cahill said he discussed the position and Housing Authority programs
with Wolde, whom he has known for over 10 years.
Council members Joseph B. Schrum, Joseph V. Egan and Blanquita Valenti
said the council reviews resumes and selects the most qualified
candidates.
"We ran it by the mayor, of course, and we thought they were the best
available candidates at the time," said Valenti, who spoke to four of
the five appointees beforehand.
The makeup of the Housing Authority board is reflective of areas of
importance needed in a housing-management team, said Cahill, adding
the members' race and ethnicity mirror the city's population.
Board needs residentsThere have been two chances to appoint a
public-housing resident to the board since the law went into effect in
November 1999 - a council appointment in April 2000 when Harris was
reappointed and DCA's appointment of Bright this month.
A DCA spokesman reiterated the department's belief Bright will make a
good candidate when asked about the resident requirement.
Cahill said he couldn't speak for the council but noted there are
"ample reasons" to have selected Harris again. He did not know why the
council didn't pick a resident but said he has talked to the council
about the legal requirement.
Scott's appointment expires next month, but Cahill would not speak for
council members about whom they might appoint. Cahill said he did not
have any problems with Scott's performance as a commissioner.
Cahill said the federal HOPE VI project is an additional
responsibility to the commissioners' tasks of managing existing
properties and being commissioners of a redevelopment agency.
"They do a fine job under existing difficult circumstances," Cahill
said.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail: swaters@....
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Published: March 11, 2001
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This and the next two emails contain some materials on public housing to study. Each of these statutes was amended effective October 21, 1998 by various provisions of Pub. L. 105-276. This statute contains the requirement for board membership by a resident. 42 U.S.C. 1437 (b) Public housing agency organization (1) Required membership Except as provided in paragraph (2), the membership of the board of directors or similar governing body of each public housing agency shall contain not less than 1 member-- (A) who is directly assisted by the public housing agency; and (B) who may, if provided for in the public housing agency plan, be elected by the residents directly assisted by the public housing agency. (2) Exception Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any public housing agency-- (A) that is located in a State that requires the members of the board of directors or similar governing body of a public housing agency to be salaried and to serve on a full-time basis; or (B) with less than 300 public housing units, if-- (i) the agency has provided reasonable notice to the resident advisory board of the opportunity of not less than 1 resident described in paragraph (1) to serve on the board of directors or similar governing body of the public housing agency pursuant to such paragraph; and (ii) within a reasonable time after receipt by the resident advisory board established by the agency pursuant to section 1437c-1(e) of this title of notice under clause (i), the public housing agency has not been notified of the intention of any resident to participate on the board of directors.
This statute contains the requirement for public housing agency
plans. Whoever has the current 5-year agency plan for New Brunswick
that was due 10/1/99, and the most recent annual plan, please speak
up. I am especially interest in its contents regarding (d)(8)(B)
and (d)(10) of the statute. Note also subsection (e), which contains
substantially ineffective plans for resident advisory boards.
In addition, since the statute contemplates the potential for adverse
interests between resident advisory board and board of directors, I
am left to inquire: why does the RAB not have funds for its own
attorneys? Should this not be asked of the NBH&RA?
42 U.S.C.A. 1437c-1
1437c-1. Public housing agency plans
(a) 5-year plan
(1) In general
Subject to paragraph (2), not less than once every 5 fiscal years,
each public housing agency shall submit to the Secretary a plan that
includes, with respect to the 5 fiscal years immediately following
the date on which the plan is submitted--
(A) a statement of the mission of the public housing agency for
serving the needs of low-income and very low-income families in the
jurisdiction of the public housing agency during such fiscal years;
and
(B) a statement of the goals and objectives of the public housing
agency that will enable the public housing agency to serve the needs
identified pursuant to subparagraph (A) during those fiscal years.
(2) Initial plan
The initial 5-year plan submitted by a public housing agency under
this subsection shall be submitted for the 5-year period beginning on
October 1, 1999, or the first fiscal year thereafter for which the
public housing agency initially receives assistance under this
chapter.
(b) Annual plan
(1) In general
Effective beginning upon October 1, 1999, each public housing agency
shall submit to the Secretary an annual public housing agency plan
under this subsection for each fiscal year for which the public
housing agency receives assistance under section 1437f(o) or 1437g of
this title.
(2) Updates
For each fiscal year after the initial submission of an annual plan
under this subsection by a public housing agency, the public housing
agency may comply with requirements for submission of a plan under
this subsection by submitting an update of the plan for the fiscal
year.
(c) Procedures
(1) In general
The Secretary shall establish requirements and procedures for
submission and review of plans, including requirements for timing and
form of submission, and for the contents of such plans.
(2) Contents
The procedures established under paragraph (1) shall provide that a
public housing agency shall--
(A) in developing the plan consult with the resident advisory board
established under subsection (e); and
(B) ensure that the plan under this section is consistent with the
applicable comprehensive housing affordability strategy (or any
consolidated plan incorporating such strategy) for the jurisdiction
in which the public housing agency is located, in accordance with
title I of the Cranston- Gonzalez National Affordable Housing Act,
and contains a certification by the appropriate State or local
official that the plan meets the requirements of this paragraph and a
description of the manner in which the applicable contents of the
public housing agency plan are consistent with the comprehensive
housing affordability strategy.
(d) Contents
An annual public housing agency plan under subsection (b) for a
public housing agency shall contain the following information
relating to the upcoming fiscal year for which the assistance under
this chapter is to be made available:
(1) Needs
A statement of the housing needs of low-income and very low-income
families residing in the jurisdiction served by the public housing
agency, and of other low-income and very low-income families on the
waiting list of the agency (including housing needs of elderly
families and disabled families), and the means by which the public
housing agency intends, to the maximum extent practicable, to address
those needs.
(2) Financial resources
A statement of financial resources available to the agency and the
planned uses of those resources.
(3) Eligibility, selection, and admissions policies
A statement of the policies governing eligibility, selection,
admissions (including any preferences), assignment, and occupancy of
families with respect to public housing dwelling units and housing
assistance under section 1437(f) of this title, including--
(A) the procedures for maintaining waiting lists for admissions to
public housing projects of the agency, which may include a system of
site-based waiting lists under section 1437d(r) of this title; and
(B) the admissions policy under section 1437n(a)(3)(B) of this title
for deconcentration of lower-income families.
(4) Rent determination
A statement of the policies of the public housing agency governing
rents charged for public housing dwelling units and rental
contributions of families assisted under section 1437f(o) of this
title.
(5) Operation and management
A statement of the rules, standards, and policies of the public
housing agency governing maintenance and management of housing owned,
assisted, or operated by the public housing agency (which shall
include measures necessary for the prevention or eradication of pest
infestation, including by cockroaches), and management of the public
housing agency and programs of the public housing agency.
(6) Grievance procedure
A statement of the grievance procedures of the public housing agency.
(7) Capital improvements
With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated
by the public housing agency, a plan describing the capital
improvements necessary to ensure long-term physical and social
viability of the projects.
(8) Demolition and disposition
With respect to public housing projects owned by the public housing
agency--
(A) a description of any housing for which the PHA will apply for
demolition or disposition under section 1437p of this title; and
(B) a timetable for the demolition or disposition.
(9) Designation of housing for elderly and disabled families
With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated
by the public housing agency, a description of any projects (or
portions thereof) that the public housing agency has designated or
will apply for designation for occupancy by elderly and disabled
families in accordance with section 1437e of this title.
(10) Conversion of public housing
With respect to public housing owned by a public housing agency--
(A) a description of any building or buildings that the public
housing agency is required to convert to tenant-based assistance
under section 1437z- 5 of this title or that the public housing
agency plans to voluntarily convert under section 1437t of this title;
(B) an analysis of the projects or buildings required to be converted
under section 1437z-5 of this title; and
(C) a statement of the amount of assistance received under this
chapter to be used for rental assistance or other housing assistance
in connection with such conversion.
(11) Homeownership
A description of any homeownership programs of the agency under
section 1437f(y) or for which the public housing agency has applied
or will apply for approval under section 1437z of this title.
(12) Community service and self-sufficiency
A description of--
(A) any programs relating to services and amenities provided or
offered to assisted families;
(B) any policies or programs of the public housing agency for the
enhancement of the economic and social self-sufficiency of assisted
families;
(C) how the public housing agency will comply with the requirements
of subsections (c) and (d) of section 1437j of this title (relating
to community service and treatment of income changes resulting from
welfare program requirements).
(13) Safety and crime prevention
A plan established by the public housing agency, which shall be
subject to the following requirements:
(A) Safety measures
The plan shall provide, on a project-by-project or jurisdiction-wide
basis, for measures to ensure the safety of public housing residents.
(B) Establishment
The plan shall be established in consultation with the police officer
or officers in command for the appropriate precinct or police
department.
(C) Content
The plan shall describe the need for measures to ensure the safety of
public housing residents and for crime prevention measures, describe
any such activities conducted or to be conducted by the agency, and
provide for coordination between the agency and the appropriate
police precincts for carrying out such measures and activities.
(D) Secretarial action
If the Secretary determines, at any time, that the security needs of
a project are not being adequately addressed by the plan, or that the
local police precinct is not complying with the plan, the Secretary
may mediate between the public housing agency and the local precinct
to resolve any issues of conflict.
(14) Pets
The requirements of the agency, pursuant to section 31, relating to
pet ownership in public housing.
(15) Civil rights certification
A certification by the public housing agency that the public housing
agency will carry out the public housing agency plan in conformity
with title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Fair Housing Act,
section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and title II of the
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and will affirmatively
further fair housing.
(16) Annual audit
The results of the most recent fiscal year audit of the public
housing agency under section 1437c(h)(2) of this title.
(17) Asset management
A statement of how the agency will carry out its asset management
functions with respect to the public housing inventory of the agency,
including how the agency will plan for the long-term operating,
capital investment, rehabilitation, modernization, disposition, and
other needs for such inventory.
(18) Other
Any other information required by law to be included in a public
housing agency plan.
(e) Resident advisory board
(1) In general
Except as provided in paragraph (3), each public housing agency shall
establish 1 or more resident advisory boards in accordance with this
subsection, the membership of which shall adequately reflect and
represent the residents assisted by the public housing agency.
(2) Functions
Each resident advisory board established under this subsection by a
public housing agency shall assist and make recommendations regarding
the development of the public housing agency plan for the agency. The
agency shall consider the recommendations of the resident advisory
boards in preparing the final public housing agency plan, and shall
include, in the public housing agency plan submitted to the Secretary
under this section, a copy of the recommendations and a description
of the manner in which the recommendations were addressed.
(3) Waiver
The Secretary may waive the requirements of this subsection with
respect to the establishment of resident advisory boards for a public
housing agency if the agency demonstrates to the satisfaction of the
Secretary that there exist resident councils or other resident
organizations of the public housing agency that--
(A) adequately represent the interests of the residents of the public
housing agency; and
(B) have the ability to perform the functions described in paragraph
(2).
(f) Notice and hearing [FN1]
(1) In general
In developing a public housing agency plan under this section, the
board of directors or similar governing body of a public housing
agency shall conduct a public hearing to discuss the public housing
agency plan and to invite public comment regarding that plan. The
hearing shall be conducted at a location that is convenient to
residents.
(2) Availability of information and notice
Not later than 45 days before the date of a hearing conducted under
paragraph (1), the public housing agency shall--
(A) make the proposed public housing agency plan and all information
relevant to the hearing and proposed plan available for inspection by
the public at the principal office of the public housing agency
during normal business hours; and
(B) publish a notice informing the public that--
(i) that the information is available as required under subparagraph
(A); and
(ii) that a public hearing under paragraph (1) will be conducted.
(3) Adoption of plan
A public housing agency may adopt a public housing agency plan and
submit the plan to the Secretary in accordance with this section only
after--
(A) conducting a public hearing under paragraph (1);
(B) considering all public comments received; and
(C) making any appropriate changes in the public housing agency plan,
in consultation with the resident advisory board.
(4) Advisory board consultation enforcement
Pursuant to a written request made by the resident advisory board for
a public housing agency that documents a failure on the part of the
agency to provide adequate notice and opportunity for comment under
this subsection and a finding by the Secretary of good cause within
the time period provided for in subsection (i)(4), the Secretary may
require the public housing agency to adequately remedy such failure
before final approval of the public housing agency plan under this
section.
(g) Amendments and modifications to plans
(1) In general
Except as provided in paragraph (2), nothing in this section shall
preclude a public housing agency, after submitting a plan to the
Secretary in accordance with this section, from amending or modifying
any policy, rule, regulation, or plan of the public housing agency,
except that a significant amendment or modification may not--
(A) be adopted, other than at a duly called meeting of board of
directors (or similar governing body) of the public housing agency
that is open to the public; and
(B) be implemented, until notification of the amendment or
modification is provided to the Secretary and approved in accordance
with subsection (i).
(2) Consistency and notice
Each significant amendment or modification to a public housing agency
plan submitted to the Secretary under this section shall--
(A) meet the requirements under subsection (c)(2) (relating to
consultation with resident advisory board and consistency with
comprehensive housing affordability strategies); and
(B) be subject to the notice and public hearing requirements of
subsection (f).
(h) Submission of plans
(1) Initial submission
Each public housing agency shall submit the initial plan required by
this section, and any amendment or modification to the initial plan,
to the Secretary at such time and in such form as the Secretary shall
require.
(2) Annual submission
Not later than 75 days before the start of the fiscal year of the
public housing agency, after submission of the initial plan required
by this section in accordance with subparagraph (A), each public
housing agency shall annually submit to the Secretary a plan update,
including any amendments or modifications to the public housing
agency plan.
(i) Review and determination of compliance
(1) Review
Subject to paragraph (2), after submission of the public housing
agency plan or any amendment or modification to the plan to the
Secretary, to the extent that the Secretary considers such action to
be necessary to make determinations under this paragraph, the
Secretary shall review the public housing agency plan (including any
amendments or modifications thereto) and determine whether the
contents of the plan--
(A) set forth the information required by this section and this Act
to be contained in a public housing agency plan;
(B) are consistent with information and data available to the
Secretary, including the approved comprehensive housing affordability
strategy under title I of the Cranston-Gonzalez National Affordable
Housing Act for the jurisdiction in which the public housing agency
is located; and
(C) are not prohibited by or inconsistent with any provision of this
subchapter or other applicable law.
(2) Elements exempted from review
The Secretary may, by regulation, provide that one or more elements
of a public housing agency plan shall be reviewed only if the element
is challenged, except that the Secretary shall review the information
submitted in each plan pursuant to paragraphs (3)(B), (8), and (15)
of subsection (d).
(3) Disapproval
The Secretary may disapprove a public housing agency plan (or any
amendment or modification thereto) only if Secretary determines that
the contents of the plan (or amendment or modification) do not comply
with the requirements under subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph
(1).
(4) Determination of compliance
(A) In general
Except as provided in subsection (j)(2), not later than 75 days after
the date on which a public housing agency plan is submitted in
accordance with this section, the Secretary shall make the
determination under paragraph (1) and provide written notice to the
public housing agency if the plan has been disapproved. If the
Secretary disapproves the plan, the notice shall state with
specificity the reasons for the disapproval.
(B) Failure to provide notice of disapproval
In the case of a plan disapproved, if the Secretary does not provide
notice of disapproval under subparagraph (A) before the expiration of
the period described in subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall be
considered, for purposes of this chapter, to have made a
determination that the plan complies with the requirements under this
section and the agency shall be considered to have been notified of
compliance upon the expiration of such period. The preceding sentence
shall not preclude judicial review regarding such compliance pursuant
to chapter 7 of Title 5, [5 U.S.C.A. 701 et seq.], or an action
regarding such compliance under section 1979 of the Revised Statutes
of the United States (42 U.S.C. 1983).
(5) Public availability
A public housing agency shall make the approved plan of the agency
available to the general public.
(j) Troubled and at-risk PHAs
(1) In general
The Secretary may require, for each public housing agency that is at
risk of being designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of
this title or is designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of
this title, that the public housing agency plan for such agency
include such additional information as the Secretary determines to be
appropriate, in accordance with such standards as the Secretary may
establish or in accordance with such determinations as the Secretary
may make on an agency-by-agency basis.
(2) Troubled agencies
The Secretary shall provide explicit written approval or disapproval,
in a timely manner, for a public housing agency plan submitted by any
public housing agency designated by the Secretary as a troubled
public housing agency under section 1437d(j)(2) of this title.
(k) Streamlined plan
In carrying out this section, the Secretary may establish a
streamlined public housing agency plan for--
(A) public housing agencies that are determined by the Secretary to
be high performing public housing agencies;
(B) public housing agencies with less than 250 public housing units
that have not been designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2)
of this title; and
(C) public housing agencies that only administer tenant-based
assistance and that do not own or operate public housing.
(l) Compliance with plan
(1) In general
In providing assistance under this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. 1437 et
seq.], a public housing agency shall comply with the rules,
standards, and policies established in the public housing agency plan
of the public housing agency approved under this section.
(2) Investigation and enforcement
In carrying out this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. 1437 et seq.], the
Secretary shall--
(A) provide an appropriate response to any complaint concerning
noncompliance by a public housing agency with the applicable public
housing agency plan; and
(B) if the Secretary determines, based on a finding of the Secretary
or other information available to the Secretary, that a public
housing agency is not complying with the applicable public housing
agency plan, take such actions as the Secretary determines to be
appropriate to ensure such compliance.
Lastly, please see this statute. In light of what I have been reading in the papers, I wonder whether sec. (d) is being observed? Any comments from those who may know? Thanks for your comments and assistance. Flavio L. Komuves General Counsel, NBPC 1437z-4. Resident homeownership programs (a) In general A public housing agency may carry out a homeownership program in accordance with this section and the public housing agency plan of the agency to make public housing dwelling units, public housing projects, and other housing projects available for purchase by low- income families for use only as principal residences for such families. An agency may transfer a unit pursuant to a homeownership program only if the program is authorized under this section and approved by the Secretary. (b) Participating units A program under this section may cover any existing public housing dwelling units or projects, and may include other dwelling units and housing owned, assisted, or operated, or otherwise acquired for use under such program, by the public housing agency. (c) Eligible purchasers (1) Low-income requirement Only low-income families assisted by a public housing agency, other low- income families, and entities formed to facilitate such sales by purchasing units for resale to low-income families shall be eligible to purchase housing under a homeownership program under this section. (2) Other requirements A public housing agency may establish other requirements or limitations for families to purchase housing under a homeownership program under this section, including requirements or limitations regarding employment or participation in employment counseling or training activities, criminal activity, participation in homeownership counseling programs, evidence of regular income, and other requirements. In the case of purchase by an entity for resale to low-income families, the entity shall sell the units to low-income families within 5 years from the date of its acquisition of the units. The entity shall use any net proceeds from the resale and from managing the units, as determined in accordance with guidelines of the Secretary, for housing purposes, such as funding resident organizations and reserves for capital replacements. (d) Right of first refusal In making any sale under this section, the public housing agency shall initially offer the public housing unit at issue to the resident or residents occupying that unit, if any, or to an organization serving as a conduit for sales to any such resident. (e) Protection of nonpurchasing residents If a public housing resident does not exercise the right of first refusal under subsection (d) with respect to the public housing unit in which the resident resides, the public housing agency-- (1) shall notify the resident residing in the unit 90 days prior to the displacement date except in cases of imminent threat to health or safety, consistent with any guidelines issued by the Secretary governing such notifications, that-- (A) the public housing unit will be sold; (B) the transfer of possession of the unit will occur until the resident is relocated; and (C) each resident displaced by such action will be offered comparable housing-- (i) that meets housing quality standards; (ii) that is located in an area that is generally not less desirable than the location of the displaced resident's housing; and (iii) which may include-- (I) tenant-based assistance, except that the requirement under this subclause regarding offering of comparable housing shall be fulfilled by use of tenant-based assistance only upon the relocation of such resident into such housing; (II) project-based assistance; or (III) occupancy in a unit owned, operated, or assisted by the public housing agency at a rental rate paid by the resident that is comparable to the rental rate applicable to the unit from which the resident is vacated; (2) shall provide for the payment of the actual and reasonable relocation expenses of the resident to be displaced; (3) shall ensure that the displaced resident is offered comparable housing in accordance with the notice under paragraph (1); (4) shall provide any necessary counseling for the displaced resident; and (5) shall not transfer possession of the unit until the resident is relocated. (f) Financing and assistance A homeownership program under this section may provide financing for acquisition of housing by families purchasing under the program, or for acquisition of housing by the public housing agency for sale under the program, in any manner considered appropriate by the agency (including sale to a resident management corporation). (g) Downpayment requirement (1) In general Each family purchasing housing under a homeownership program under this section shall be required to provide from its own resources a downpayment in connection with any loan for acquisition of the housing, in an amount determined by the public housing agency. Except as provided in paragraph (2), the agency shall permit the family to use grant amounts, gifts from relatives, contributions from private sources, and similar amounts as downpayment amounts in such purchase. (2) Direct family contribution In purchasing housing pursuant to this section, each family shall contribute an amount of the downpayment, from resources of the family other than grants, gifts, contributions, or other similar amounts referred to in paragraph (1), that is not less than 1 percent of the purchase price. (h) Ownership interests A homeownership program under this section may provide for sale to the purchasing family of any ownership interest that the public housing agency considers appropriate under the program, including ownership in fee simple, a condominium interest, an interest in a limited dividend cooperative, a shared appreciation interest with a public housing agency providing financing. (i) Resale (1) Authority and limitation A homeownership program under this section shall permit the resale of a dwelling unit purchased under the program by an eligible family, but shall provide such limitations on resale as the agency considers appropriate (whether the family purchases directly from the agency or from another entity) for the agency to recapture-- (A) some or all of the economic gain derived from any such resale occurring during the 5-year period beginning upon purchase of the dwelling unit by the eligible family; and (B) after the expiration of such 5-year period, only such amounts as are equivalent to the assistance provided under this section by the agency to the purchaser. (2) Considerations The limitations referred to in paragraph (1)(A) may provide for consideration of the aggregate amount of assistance provided under the program to the family, the contribution to equity provided by the purchasing eligible family, the period of time elapsed between purchase under the homeownership program and resale, the reason for resale, any improvements to the property made by the eligible family, any appreciation in the value of the property, and any other factors that the agency considers appropriate. (j) Net proceeds The net proceeds of any sales under a homeownership program under this section remaining after payment of all costs of the sale shall be used for purposes relating to low-income housing and in accordance with the public housing agency plan of the agency carrying out the program. (k) Homeownership assistance From amounts distributed to a public housing agency under the Capital Fund under section 1437g(d) of this title, or from other income earned by the public housing agency, the public housing agency may provide assistance to public housing residents to facilitate the ability of those residents to purchase a principal residence, including a residence other than a residence located in a public housing project. (l) Inapplicability of disposition requirements The provisions of section 1437p of this title shall not apply to disposition of public housing dwelling units under a homeownership program under this section.
Did anyone pick up a copy of the Hazard Watch info distributed at the last mtg? Please let me know (***dont reply all). Thanks!! Zofia
Come one, come all women! Women's caucus will be meeting this Saturday, at 1pm, at 72 Welton Street. One major event will be the election of a caucus representative to the steering committee (We hope you will seriously consider your candidacy). After the meeting, we are hoping to discuss our contibution to ARTHOUSE for Women's History Month.
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Sharon Blockades a Palestinian Center in the West Bank
By JOEL GREENBERG
RAMALLAH, West Bank, March 12 � The Israeli Army today sealed off
this city, the unofficial seat of government of the Palestinian
Authority in the West Bank, blocking roads with trenches, mounds of
earth and checkpoints backed by tanks and armored troop carriers.
It was the first action against the Palestinians by the newly
inaugurated government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the most
severe blockade imposed by the Israelis on this community of
60,000, a major commercial and cultural center.
Palestinian officials condemned the action as an escalation of
Israeli tactics against the Palestinian uprising. The measure set
off violent protests at one roadblock, where a Palestinian was
killed by Israeli troops.
Mr. Sharon denied that the blockade represented a new policy,
asserting that it was imposed to foil a car bombing in Jerusalem
after members of a group plotting the attack were arrested and
there were indications that others were still at large.
However the blockade, which disrupted the lives of tens of
thousands of people, drew criticism from some members of Mr.
Sharon's cabinet, and Palestinians called it collective punishment.
Mr. Sharon asserted today that his security policy was directed
"against those who attack and those behind them" while "easing
things as much as possible for most of the population."
"In areas where there is quiet, all easings of restrictions will
be granted," Mr. Sharon said. "In other places, where there is
danger of an attack on Israeli citizens, all appropriate measures
will be taken."
In that vein, Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer announced that
he had ordered the lifting of less stringent blockades imposed by
the previous Israeli government on four other West Bank cities:
Bethlehem, Hebron, Tulkarm and Qalqilya.
Mr. Ben-Eliezer said he had no intention of closing off the West
Bank and Gaza Strip "like ghettos" and wanted a speedy lifting of
border closings that have prevented Palestinians from working in
Israel.
However, information received on a suspected attack from this area
left no choice but to keep it sealed off, Mr. Ben-Eliezer said.
Some members of Mr. Sharon's cabinet warned that the blockade
policy could prove to be a boomerang. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres
said that the policy should be "reassessed," and Science and
Culture Minister Matan Vilnai, a former general, warned that, "If
the dosage is too high, it could lead to serious results."
Palestinians voiced similar warnings here today. Long lines of
cars snaked back from checkpoints as Palestinians young and old,
some lugging bags and packages, walked around barriers after they
were unable to ride through.
At a roadblock near the Kalandia refugee camp, a young man
supported his elderly father as he shuffled toward the checkpoint.
Another man holding an infant said he had waited four hours to get
across the barrier so he could take the baby to a doctor.
On a severed road between this city and villages to the north, a
stream of Palestinians clambered over rocks down into a valley in
order to get around trenches and mounds of earth. An Israeli tank
and an army bulldozer were positioned on a hill overlooking the
road as groups of youths threw stones and Israeli border police
officers responded with tear gas.
The clashes erupted when hundreds of protesters marching from this
city used a bulldozer to remove an earth barricade and fill a
trench. Soldiers responded with tear gas and rubber-coated bullets.
A Palestinian was killed when he was struck by what witnesses and
hospital officials described as a live round.
"This is the beginning of the battle, not the end of it, and the
war needs the effort of every single Arab," Yasir Abed Rabo, the
Palestinian information minister, said the demonstrators before the
clashes began.
Inside the city, traffic was light and some streets were nearly
empty. Grocers said they had not received food shipments, teachers
from neighboring communities failed to arrive at local schools, and
doctors and nurses living outside the city were unable to reach
hospitals here.
Fida Safi, a taxi driver, sat in a line of vehicles behind one
checkpoint. A resident of the Jalazun refugee camp outside
Ramallah, Mr. Safi said he had been trying for hours without
success to get into the city from different directions, and had yet
to take a single fare.
"This is difficult, difficult, extremely difficult," he said,
before he was turned back yet again. "It will lead to an explosion.
People will do anything to feed their children."
Criticism From U.S.
WASHINGTON, March 12, (Reuters) � The United
States criticized Israel today for restrictions it had placed on
Palestinians, and disputed Israel's argument that closing off
Palestinian towns helped provide security for Israelis.
The State Department also rebuffed an Arab request that the United
Nations protect the Palestinians, saying Israel would need to
approve any protection force.
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who spoke to Israel's prime
minister, Ariel Sharon, over the weekend about the violence between
Israelis and Palestinians, has told Mr. Sharon that measures that
affect the Palestinian economy can backfire by producing
frustration and violence.
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curtis, and all, is REPUBLICAN frank the example you suggest with your platform of community control (over housing)? or do you not care about the platform, and the people of NB, that you all claim i violated when i was expelled from people's campaign? joe Tenants Rights Now! Republicans in the Garbage Can! Defeat the New Brunswick Bush! Can_Bright! can_bush@... >From: citruswar@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: NBH&RA >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:07:42 EST > >GO FRANK GO FRANK! Please stay safe and take care. Curtis L. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
how can i get njfo's position on the selection of bright to housing authority? joe
radical activist?
From: wacbush01@...
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To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] partII
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:18:27 -0000
Housing-panel appointment attacked
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: A radical activist is protesting the recent appointment
of Frank Bright to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority
board of commissioners, calling the designation a "political
maneuver."
Last week, the state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright,
a Republican activist who has criticized the city's Democratic
leadership and ran unsuccessfully against Mayor James M. Cahill in
1998.
Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary
Democracy, wants Bright to resign and for city officials and the
Housing Authority to condemn the appointment.
He objects because a federal regulation, which took effect in November
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board and none
has been appointed.
Bright has no plans to resign and said because the commissioners are
not elected, they are political appointments. "There's no dodging that
issue," he said.
Appointment defendedWhen asked about Smith's charges, DCA spokesmen
said the DCA believes Bright will make an excellent commissioner, work
hard to serve the city and provide new ideas and leadership to the
Housing Authority.
"There was a determination made that this was the best candidate for
the position," said spokesman E.J. Miranda.
The DCA declined to say how many candidates were considered, whether
Bright was recommended or nominated himself, and whether the DCA
interviewed Bright.
"A bunch of different people" recommended him, said Bright, noting he
also recommended himself. Bright said he has talked to DCA staff for
three years about Housing Authority issues and had asked how
commissioners are appointed.
Bright asked around the city to see if anyone was interested in
serving but then "about a dozen prominent activists and community
leaders" said he should be the commissioner, Bright said. He would not
name who they are, saying people "don't need to know my support
structure."
Bright then approached Dennis Little, chairman of the Middlesex County
GOP Organization. Little said Bright applied, and he sent only
Bright's name to Trenton.
Little said Bright is dedicated to New Brunswick and is capable of
doing the job. But Mayor James M. Cahill, who said the city had no
idea the state was considering Bright, said he would not have selected
Bright "because of a lack of qualifications."
Saying Bright "has had a tendency to be disruptive and combative,"
Cahill said he was not familiar with what experience Bright would
bring to the table except a political background as chairman of New
Brunswick's Republican Party.
Little answered, "Bet you if (Bright) had 'Democrat' after his name,
he'd be qualified."
Bright provided a resume showing experience in mechanical engineering,
contract negotiations, construction layout and design, equipment
inspection and welding. He has degrees in mechanical engineering and
physics and currently designs explosive bolts for Cartridge Actuated
Devices in Fairfield, NJ.
Besides the DCA appointment, the mayor appoints one Housing Authority
commissioner and the City Council appoints five.
Resumes not suppliedThe commissioners appointed by Cahill and the
council were asked by a reporter last month to provide copies of their
resumes or work and volunteer experience. They declined the request
but had the Housing Authority Attorney James Horvath provide a list of
their current employer and "special experience." (Commissioner James
Scott later provided a resume.)
For the council's appointments, the list stated: Chairwoman Beatrice
B. Harris is retired and a former public-housing resident; Scott is a
self-employed consultant and former Housing Authority executive
director with experience with HUD rules and regulations; Jerry Mercado
works for Horizon Blue Cross/Blue Shield and has marketing and
scholarship-program experience; Anthony Giorgianni is an iron worker
with construction-management experience; Richard Kolesar works for US
Securities Association, is a member of a plumber's union and has
experience in construction trades and union-labor relations.
The mayor's appointment, Yirgu Wolde, works for NJ Home & Mortgage
Finance Agency with experience in housing management and
administration and the financing of affordable housing, according to
the list.
The commissioners declined to say how they were selected and whether
they were interviewed for the positions.
When asked why he appointed Wolde, Cahill provided an extensive list
of Wolde's past job duties and experience with HMFA and other
employers including processing special-needs housing requests,
preparing grant proposals and overseeing transitional-housing
programs. Wolde, with two master's degrees, also has reviewed,
processed and allocated low-income housing tax-credit applications,
Cahill said.
Cahill said he discussed the position and Housing Authority programs
with Wolde, whom he has known for over 10 years.
Council members Joseph B. Schrum, Joseph V. Egan and Blanquita Valenti
said the council reviews resumes and selects the most qualified
candidates.
"We ran it by the mayor, of course, and we thought they were the best
available candidates at the time," said Valenti, who spoke to four of
the five appointees beforehand.
The makeup of the Housing Authority board is reflective of areas of
importance needed in a housing-management team, said Cahill, adding
the members' race and ethnicity mirror the city's population.
Board needs residentsThere have been two chances to appoint a
public-housing resident to the board since the law went into effect in
November 1999 - a council appointment in April 2000 when Harris was
reappointed and DCA's appointment of Bright this month.
A DCA spokesman reiterated the department's belief Bright will make a
good candidate when asked about the resident requirement.
Cahill said he couldn't speak for the council but noted there are
"ample reasons" to have selected Harris again. He did not know why the
council didn't pick a resident but said he has talked to the council
about the legal requirement.
Scott's appointment expires next month, but Cahill would not speak for
council members about whom they might appoint. Cahill said he did not
have any problems with Scott's performance as a commissioner.
Cahill said the federal HOPE VI project is an additional
responsibility to the commissioners' tasks of managing existing
properties and being commissioners of a redevelopment agency.
"They do a fine job under existing difficult circumstances," Cahill
said.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail: swaters@....
from the Home News Tribune
Published: March 11, 2001
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that is what we couldn't understand either. the reporter is responsible. home news 246.5500 >From: "Audrey Allred" <audreya99@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] partII >Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:54:01 -0000 > >radical activist? > > >From: wacbush01@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] partII >Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:18:27 -0000 > >Housing-panel appointment attacked > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01 > > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > >NEW BRUNSWICK: A radical activist is protesting the recent appointment >of Frank Bright to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority >board of commissioners, calling the designation a "political >maneuver." > >Last week, the state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright, >a Republican activist who has criticized the city's Democratic >leadership and ran unsuccessfully against Mayor James M. Cahill in >1998. > >Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary >Democracy, wants Bright to resign and for city officials and the >Housing Authority to condemn the appointment. > >He objects because a federal regulation, which took effect in November >1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board and none >has been appointed. > >Bright has no plans to resign and said because the commissioners are >not elected, they are political appointments. "There's no dodging that >issue," he said. > >Appointment defendedWhen asked about Smith's charges, DCA spokesmen >said the DCA believes Bright will make an excellent commissioner, work >hard to serve the city and provide new ideas and leadership to the >Housing Authority. > >"There was a determination made that this was the best candidate for >the position," said spokesman E.J. Miranda. > >The DCA declined to say how many candidates were considered, whether >Bright was recommended or nominated himself, and whether the DCA >interviewed Bright. > >"A bunch of different people" recommended him, said Bright, noting he >also recommended himself. Bright said he has talked to DCA staff for >three years about Housing Authority issues and had asked how >commissioners are appointed. > >Bright asked around the city to see if anyone was interested in >serving but then "about a dozen prominent activists and community >leaders" said he should be the commissioner, Bright said. He would not >name who they are, saying people "don't need to know my support >structure." > >Bright then approached Dennis Little, chairman of the Middlesex County >GOP Organization. Little said Bright applied, and he sent only >Bright's name to Trenton. > >Little said Bright is dedicated to New Brunswick and is capable of >doing the job. But Mayor James M. Cahill, who said the city had no >idea the state was considering Bright, said he would not have selected >Bright "because of a lack of qualifications." > >Saying Bright "has had a tendency to be disruptive and combative," >Cahill said he was not familiar with what experience Bright would >bring to the table except a political background as chairman of New >Brunswick's Republican Party. > >Little answered, "Bet you if (Bright) had 'Democrat' after his name, >he'd be qualified." > >Bright provided a resume showing experience in mechanical engineering, >contract negotiations, construction layout and design, equipment >inspection and welding. He has degrees in mechanical engineering and >physics and currently designs explosive bolts for Cartridge Actuated >Devices in Fairfield, NJ. > >Besides the DCA appointment, the mayor appoints one Housing Authority >commissioner and the City Council appoints five. > >Resumes not suppliedThe commissioners appointed by Cahill and the >council were asked by a reporter last month to provide copies of their >resumes or work and volunteer experience. They declined the request >but had the Housing Authority Attorney James Horvath provide a list of >their current employer and "special experience." (Commissioner James >Scott later provided a resume.) > >For the council's appointments, the list stated: Chairwoman Beatrice >B. Harris is retired and a former public-housing resident; Scott is a >self-employed consultant and former Housing Authority executive >director with experience with HUD rules and regulations; Jerry Mercado >works for Horizon Blue Cross/Blue Shield and has marketing and >scholarship-program experience; Anthony Giorgianni is an iron worker >with construction-management experience; Richard Kolesar works for US >Securities Association, is a member of a plumber's union and has >experience in construction trades and union-labor relations. > >The mayor's appointment, Yirgu Wolde, works for NJ Home & Mortgage >Finance Agency with experience in housing management and >administration and the financing of affordable housing, according to >the list. > >The commissioners declined to say how they were selected and whether >they were interviewed for the positions. > >When asked why he appointed Wolde, Cahill provided an extensive list >of Wolde's past job duties and experience with HMFA and other >employers including processing special-needs housing requests, >preparing grant proposals and overseeing transitional-housing >programs. Wolde, with two master's degrees, also has reviewed, >processed and allocated low-income housing tax-credit applications, >Cahill said. > >Cahill said he discussed the position and Housing Authority programs >with Wolde, whom he has known for over 10 years. > >Council members Joseph B. Schrum, Joseph V. Egan and Blanquita Valenti >said the council reviews resumes and selects the most qualified >candidates. > >"We ran it by the mayor, of course, and we thought they were the best >available candidates at the time," said Valenti, who spoke to four of >the five appointees beforehand. > >The makeup of the Housing Authority board is reflective of areas of >importance needed in a housing-management team, said Cahill, adding >the members' race and ethnicity mirror the city's population. > >Board needs residentsThere have been two chances to appoint a >public-housing resident to the board since the law went into effect in >November 1999 - a council appointment in April 2000 when Harris was >reappointed and DCA's appointment of Bright this month. > >A DCA spokesman reiterated the department's belief Bright will make a >good candidate when asked about the resident requirement. > >Cahill said he couldn't speak for the council but noted there are >"ample reasons" to have selected Harris again. He did not know why the >council didn't pick a resident but said he has talked to the council >about the legal requirement. > >Scott's appointment expires next month, but Cahill would not speak for >council members about whom they might appoint. Cahill said he did not >have any problems with Scott's performance as a commissioner. > >Cahill said the federal HOPE VI project is an additional >responsibility to the commissioners' tasks of managing existing >properties and being commissioners of a redevelopment agency. > >"They do a fine job under existing difficult circumstances," Cahill >said. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail: swaters@.... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: March 11, 2001 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Attached is an article from today's HNT about the ACLU-NJ's victory for free speech rights at Rutgers. My apologies if this article is not completely germane to the newsgroup, but at least it deals with a New Brunswick institution like Rutgers. Flavio Komuves Rutgers beaten by alumni in ad suit Published in the Home News Tribune 3/14/01 By SARAH GREENBLATT STAFF WRITER RUTGERS UNIVERSITY: Calling higher-education institutions the "quintessential marketplace of ideas," a state Superior Court judge yesterday took Rutgers University to task for blocking alumni from publicizing their views in the advertising pages of a university magazine. In a legal blow to Rutgers, Judge Joseph Messina ruled that the university violated the First Amendment rights of the Rutgers 1000 Alumni Council by prohibiting the group from buying ads in Rutgers Magazine. The magazine had barred Rutgers 1000 ads that criticized the university's involvement in the Big East Athletic Conference. The magazine based the decision on unwritten policies against "advocacy" or "viewpoint" advertising. In letters and phone calls, officials gave slightly shifting explanations for rejecting a display ad quoting Nobel Laureate -- and Rutgers alumnus -- Milton Friedman on the academic purpose of universities and a classified ad soliciting inquiries about Rutgers 1000. Messina said the policies did not meet legal requirements for limiting expression and that they represented "an attempt to suppress an opposing view." Calling Rutgers 1000 the university's "loyal opposition," the judge said, "they have or should have an opportunity to be heard." The judge said the lawsuit, which was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey on behalf of Rutgers 1000, was "one of the most interesting cases I've heard in my career" and praised the efforts of the attorneys for both sides. Yet he rejected virtually each of the arguments advanced by Rutgers, including a contention that the advertising pages of the magazine represent a "nonpublic forum" that loosens standards for restricting free speech. Attorney Peter Skolnik, who is representing Rutgers, had argued the alumni received ample opportunities to air their views through letters to the editor, alumni notes and an article that featured diverse viewpoints on athletics at the university. The magazine's editorial director William Owens had testified that efforts were made to include the views of Rutgers 1000 Alumni Council leader Richard Seclow in a story that focused on the debate about athletics at Rutgers. But in doing so, Messina said, the university had designated the magazine as a "channel of communication or dialogue on the subject of big time sports." Owens had testified that he wanted to avoid ads that might distract readers from the magazine's purpose, which he said is to "engender loyalty, support and enthusiasm" for the university. But the judge agreed with ACLU attorney Grayson Barber, who said the alumni group's views were born of loyalty and enthusiasm for Rutgers and could engender even greater interest and support for the university. Messina also disputed Skolnik's argument that an ad promoting tickets for a Big East Conference tournament simply acknowledged Rutgers' place in the NCAA Division I without endorsing it. The ad in essence promoted Rutgers' status in the division, "giving readers only one side of the story," the judge said. Seclow, a member of the Class of 1951 who was elected to the Loyal Sons and Daughters of Rutgers, hailed the ruling somewhat ironically, calling it "a home run." Skolnik said Rutgers officials will review the ruling before deciding whether to appeal. "Needless to say, we're disappointed," Skolnik said. "I think the judge is incorrect on the law." Sarah Greenblatt: (732) 565-7205. E-mail sgreenbl@... from the Home News Tribune Published: March 14, 2001
HI everyone Just a reminder to anyone interested in our education discussion group, we are meeting at my house 136 Baldwin st on this Sunday at 6pm. If you need a ride please call me. We will be discussion the second chapter of Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire. It is on the "Banking concept of education" (students should have a copy in their Ways of Reading book from expos). Please let me know if you need a copy. Thanks Louise 545-7207 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
i think i have 5yr & annual plan. contact me 214.8828 or cliffsmith69@... >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] MORE MATERIALS TO STUDY >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:27:40 -0000 > > >This statute contains the requirement for public housing agency >plans. Whoever has the current 5-year agency plan for New Brunswick >that was due 10/1/99, and the most recent annual plan, please speak >up. I am especially interest in its contents regarding � (d)(8)(B) >and (d)(10) of the statute. Note also subsection (e), which contains >substantially ineffective plans for resident advisory boards. > >In addition, since the statute contemplates the potential for adverse >interests between resident advisory board and board of directors, I >am left to inquire: why does the RAB not have funds for its own >attorneys? Should this not be asked of the NBH&RA? > >42 U.S.C.A. � 1437c-1 > >� 1437c-1. Public housing agency plans > >(a) 5-year plan > > (1) In general > >Subject to paragraph (2), not less than once every 5 fiscal years, >each public housing agency shall submit to the Secretary a plan that >includes, with respect to the 5 fiscal years immediately following >the date on which the plan is submitted-- > >(A) a statement of the mission of the public housing agency for >serving the needs of low-income and very low-income families in the >jurisdiction of the public housing agency during such fiscal years; >and > >(B) a statement of the goals and objectives of the public housing >agency that will enable the public housing agency to serve the needs >identified pursuant to subparagraph (A) during those fiscal years. > > (2) Initial plan > >The initial 5-year plan submitted by a public housing agency under >this subsection shall be submitted for the 5-year period beginning on >October 1, 1999, or the first fiscal year thereafter for which the >public housing agency initially receives assistance under this >chapter. > > >(b) Annual plan > > (1) In general > >Effective beginning upon October 1, 1999, each public housing agency >shall submit to the Secretary an annual public housing agency plan >under this subsection for each fiscal year for which the public >housing agency receives assistance under section 1437f(o) or 1437g of >this title. > > (2) Updates > > >For each fiscal year after the initial submission of an annual plan >under this subsection by a public housing agency, the public housing >agency may comply with requirements for submission of a plan under >this subsection by submitting an update of the plan for the fiscal >year. > >(c) Procedures > > (1) In general > >The Secretary shall establish requirements and procedures for >submission and review of plans, including requirements for timing and >form of submission, and for the contents of such plans. > > (2) Contents > >The procedures established under paragraph (1) shall provide that a >public housing agency shall-- >(A) in developing the plan consult with the resident advisory board >established under subsection (e); and > >(B) ensure that the plan under this section is consistent with the >applicable comprehensive housing affordability strategy (or any >consolidated plan incorporating such strategy) for the jurisdiction >in which the public housing agency is located, in accordance with >title I of the Cranston- Gonzalez National Affordable Housing Act, >and contains a certification by the appropriate State or local >official that the plan meets the requirements of this paragraph and a >description of the manner in which the applicable contents of the >public housing agency plan are consistent with the comprehensive >housing affordability strategy. > >(d) Contents > >An annual public housing agency plan under subsection (b) for a >public housing agency shall contain the following information >relating to the upcoming fiscal year for which the assistance under >this chapter is to be made available: > > > (1) Needs > > >A statement of the housing needs of low-income and very low-income >families residing in the jurisdiction served by the public housing >agency, and of other low-income and very low-income families on the >waiting list of the agency (including housing needs of elderly >families and disabled families), and the means by which the public >housing agency intends, to the maximum extent practicable, to address >those needs. > > (2) Financial resources > >A statement of financial resources available to the agency and the >planned uses of those resources. > > (3) Eligibility, selection, and admissions policies > >A statement of the policies governing eligibility, selection, >admissions (including any preferences), assignment, and occupancy of >families with respect to public housing dwelling units and housing >assistance under section 1437(f) of this title, including-- > >(A) the procedures for maintaining waiting lists for admissions to >public housing projects of the agency, which may include a system of >site-based waiting lists under section 1437d(r) of this title; and > >(B) the admissions policy under section 1437n(a)(3)(B) of this title >for deconcentration of lower-income families. > > (4) Rent determination > >A statement of the policies of the public housing agency governing >rents charged for public housing dwelling units and rental >contributions of families assisted under section 1437f(o) of this >title. > > (5) Operation and management > >A statement of the rules, standards, and policies of the public >housing agency governing maintenance and management of housing owned, >assisted, or operated by the public housing agency (which shall >include measures necessary for the prevention or eradication of pest >infestation, including by cockroaches), and management of the public >housing agency and programs of the public housing agency. > > (6) Grievance procedure > >A statement of the grievance procedures of the public housing agency. > > (7) Capital improvements > >With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated >by the public housing agency, a plan describing the capital >improvements necessary to ensure long-term physical and social >viability of the projects. > > (8) Demolition and disposition > >With respect to public housing projects owned by the public housing >agency-- > >(A) a description of any housing for which the PHA will apply for >demolition or disposition under section 1437p of this title; and > >(B) a timetable for the demolition or disposition. > > (9) Designation of housing for elderly and disabled families > >With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated >by the public housing agency, a description of any projects (or >portions thereof) that the public housing agency has designated or >will apply for designation for occupancy by elderly and disabled >families in accordance with section 1437e of this title. > > (10) Conversion of public housing > >With respect to public housing owned by a public housing agency-- > >(A) a description of any building or buildings that the public >housing agency is required to convert to tenant-based assistance >under section 1437z- 5 of this title or that the public housing >agency plans to voluntarily convert under section 1437t of this title; > >(B) an analysis of the projects or buildings required to be converted >under section 1437z-5 of this title; and > >(C) a statement of the amount of assistance received under this >chapter to be used for rental assistance or other housing assistance >in connection with such conversion. > > (11) Homeownership > >A description of any homeownership programs of the agency under >section 1437f(y) or for which the public housing agency has applied >or will apply for approval under section 1437z of this title. > > (12) Community service and self-sufficiency > >A description of-- > >(A) any programs relating to services and amenities provided or >offered to assisted families; > >(B) any policies or programs of the public housing agency for the >enhancement of the economic and social self-sufficiency of assisted >families; > >(C) how the public housing agency will comply with the requirements >of subsections (c) and (d) of section 1437j of this title (relating >to community service and treatment of income changes resulting from >welfare program requirements). > >(13) Safety and crime prevention > >A plan established by the public housing agency, which shall be >subject to the following requirements: > > (A) Safety measures > >The plan shall provide, on a project-by-project or jurisdiction-wide >basis, for measures to ensure the safety of public housing residents. > > (B) Establishment > >The plan shall be established in consultation with the police officer >or officers in command for the appropriate precinct or police >department. > > (C) Content > >The plan shall describe the need for measures to ensure the safety of >public housing residents and for crime prevention measures, describe >any such activities conducted or to be conducted by the agency, and >provide for coordination between the agency and the appropriate >police precincts for carrying out such measures and activities. > > (D) Secretarial action > >If the Secretary determines, at any time, that the security needs of >a project are not being adequately addressed by the plan, or that the >local police precinct is not complying with the plan, the Secretary >may mediate between the public housing agency and the local precinct >to resolve any issues of conflict. > > (14) Pets > >The requirements of the agency, pursuant to section 31, relating to >pet ownership in public housing. > > (15) Civil rights certification > >A certification by the public housing agency that the public housing >agency will carry out the public housing agency plan in conformity >with title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Fair Housing Act, >section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and title II of the >Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and will affirmatively >further fair housing. > > (16) Annual audit > >The results of the most recent fiscal year audit of the public >housing agency under section 1437c(h)(2) of this title. > > (17) Asset management > >A statement of how the agency will carry out its asset management >functions with respect to the public housing inventory of the agency, >including how the agency will plan for the long-term operating, >capital investment, rehabilitation, modernization, disposition, and >other needs for such inventory. > > (18) Other > >Any other information required by law to be included in a public >housing agency plan. > >(e) Resident advisory board > > (1) In general > >Except as provided in paragraph (3), each public housing agency shall >establish 1 or more resident advisory boards in accordance with this >subsection, the membership of which shall adequately reflect and >represent the residents assisted by the public housing agency. > > (2) Functions > >Each resident advisory board established under this subsection by a >public housing agency shall assist and make recommendations regarding >the development of the public housing agency plan for the agency. The >agency shall consider the recommendations of the resident advisory >boards in preparing the final public housing agency plan, and shall >include, in the public housing agency plan submitted to the Secretary >under this section, a copy of the recommendations and a description >of the manner in which the recommendations were addressed. > > (3) Waiver > >The Secretary may waive the requirements of this subsection with >respect to the establishment of resident advisory boards for a public >housing agency if the agency demonstrates to the satisfaction of the >Secretary that there exist resident councils or other resident >organizations of the public housing agency that-- > >(A) adequately represent the interests of the residents of the public >housing agency; and > >(B) have the ability to perform the functions described in paragraph >(2). > > >(f) Notice and hearing [FN1] > > (1) In general > >In developing a public housing agency plan under this section, the >board of directors or similar governing body of a public housing >agency shall conduct a public hearing to discuss the public housing >agency plan and to invite public comment regarding that plan. The >hearing shall be conducted at a location that is convenient to >residents. > > (2) Availability of information and notice > >Not later than 45 days before the date of a hearing conducted under >paragraph (1), the public housing agency shall-- > >(A) make the proposed public housing agency plan and all information >relevant to the hearing and proposed plan available for inspection by >the public at the principal office of the public housing agency >during normal business hours; and > >(B) publish a notice informing the public that-- > >(i) that the information is available as required under subparagraph >(A); and > >(ii) that a public hearing under paragraph (1) will be conducted. > > (3) Adoption of plan > >A public housing agency may adopt a public housing agency plan and >submit the plan to the Secretary in accordance with this section only >after-- > >(A) conducting a public hearing under paragraph (1); > >(B) considering all public comments received; and > >(C) making any appropriate changes in the public housing agency plan, >in consultation with the resident advisory board. > > (4) Advisory board consultation enforcement > >Pursuant to a written request made by the resident advisory board for >a public housing agency that documents a failure on the part of the >agency to provide adequate notice and opportunity for comment under >this subsection and a finding by the Secretary of good cause within >the time period provided for in subsection (i)(4), the Secretary may >require the public housing agency to adequately remedy such failure >before final approval of the public housing agency plan under this >section. > >(g) Amendments and modifications to plans > >(1) In general > >Except as provided in paragraph (2), nothing in this section shall >preclude a public housing agency, after submitting a plan to the >Secretary in accordance with this section, from amending or modifying >any policy, rule, regulation, or plan of the public housing agency, >except that a significant amendment or modification may not-- > >(A) be adopted, other than at a duly called meeting of board of >directors (or similar governing body) of the public housing agency >that is open to the public; and > >(B) be implemented, until notification of the amendment or >modification is provided to the Secretary and approved in accordance >with subsection (i). > > (2) Consistency and notice > >Each significant amendment or modification to a public housing agency >plan submitted to the Secretary under this section shall-- > >(A) meet the requirements under subsection (c)(2) (relating to >consultation with resident advisory board and consistency with >comprehensive housing affordability strategies); and > >(B) be subject to the notice and public hearing requirements of >subsection (f). > >(h) Submission of plans > > (1) Initial submission > >Each public housing agency shall submit the initial plan required by >this section, and any amendment or modification to the initial plan, >to the Secretary at such time and in such form as the Secretary shall >require. > > (2) Annual submission > >Not later than 75 days before the start of the fiscal year of the >public housing agency, after submission of the initial plan required >by this section in accordance with subparagraph (A), each public >housing agency shall annually submit to the Secretary a plan update, >including any amendments or modifications to the public housing >agency plan. > >(i) Review and determination of compliance > > (1) Review > >Subject to paragraph (2), after submission of the public housing >agency plan or any amendment or modification to the plan to the >Secretary, to the extent that the Secretary considers such action to >be necessary to make determinations under this paragraph, the >Secretary shall review the public housing agency plan (including any >amendments or modifications thereto) and determine whether the >contents of the plan-- > >(A) set forth the information required by this section and this Act >to be contained in a public housing agency plan; > >(B) are consistent with information and data available to the >Secretary, including the approved comprehensive housing affordability >strategy under title I of the Cranston-Gonzalez National Affordable >Housing Act for the jurisdiction in which the public housing agency >is located; and > >(C) are not prohibited by or inconsistent with any provision of this >subchapter or other applicable law. > >(2) Elements exempted from review > >The Secretary may, by regulation, provide that one or more elements >of a public housing agency plan shall be reviewed only if the element >is challenged, except that the Secretary shall review the information >submitted in each plan pursuant to paragraphs (3)(B), (8), and (15) >of subsection (d). > > (3) Disapproval > >The Secretary may disapprove a public housing agency plan (or any >amendment or modification thereto) only if Secretary determines that >the contents of the plan (or amendment or modification) do not comply >with the requirements under subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph >(1). > > (4) Determination of compliance > > (A) In general > >Except as provided in subsection (j)(2), not later than 75 days after >the date on which a public housing agency plan is submitted in >accordance with this section, the Secretary shall make the >determination under paragraph (1) and provide written notice to the >public housing agency if the plan has been disapproved. If the >Secretary disapproves the plan, the notice shall state with >specificity the reasons for the disapproval. > > (B) Failure to provide notice of disapproval > >In the case of a plan disapproved, if the Secretary does not provide >notice of disapproval under subparagraph (A) before the expiration of >the period described in subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall be >considered, for purposes of this chapter, to have made a >determination that the plan complies with the requirements under this >section and the agency shall be considered to have been notified of >compliance upon the expiration of such period. The preceding sentence >shall not preclude judicial review regarding such compliance pursuant >to chapter 7 of Title 5, [5 U.S.C.A. � 701 et seq.], or an action >regarding such compliance under section 1979 of the Revised Statutes >of the United States (42 U.S.C. 1983). > > (5) Public availability > >A public housing agency shall make the approved plan of the agency >available to the general public. > >(j) Troubled and at-risk PHAs > > (1) In general > >The Secretary may require, for each public housing agency that is at >risk of being designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of >this title or is designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of >this title, that the public housing agency plan for such agency >include such additional information as the Secretary determines to be >appropriate, in accordance with such standards as the Secretary may >establish or in accordance with such determinations as the Secretary >may make on an agency-by-agency basis. > > (2) Troubled agencies > >The Secretary shall provide explicit written approval or disapproval, >in a timely manner, for a public housing agency plan submitted by any >public housing agency designated by the Secretary as a troubled >public housing agency under section 1437d(j)(2) of this title. > >(k) Streamlined plan > >In carrying out this section, the Secretary may establish a >streamlined public housing agency plan for-- > >(A) public housing agencies that are determined by the Secretary to >be high performing public housing agencies; > >(B) public housing agencies with less than 250 public housing units >that have not been designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) >of this title; and > >(C) public housing agencies that only administer tenant-based >assistance and that do not own or operate public housing. > > >(l) Compliance with plan > > (1) In general > >In providing assistance under this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. � 1437 et >seq.], a public housing agency shall comply with the rules, >standards, and policies established in the public housing agency plan >of the public housing agency approved under this section. > > (2) Investigation and enforcement > >In carrying out this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. � 1437 et seq.], the >Secretary shall-- > >(A) provide an appropriate response to any complaint concerning >noncompliance by a public housing agency with the applicable public >housing agency plan; and > >(B) if the Secretary determines, based on a finding of the Secretary >or other information available to the Secretary, that a public >housing agency is not complying with the applicable public housing >agency plan, take such actions as the Secretary determines to be >appropriate to ensure such compliance. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
GO FRANK GO FRANK! Please stay safe and take care. Curtis L. > the peoples' campaign must reorganize itself as the peoples' democratic workers' campaign. (bush in east brunswick today introduced his "peoples' budget"!!! were any pc members there or in plainfield with him & skunk soaries pushing the fascist "faith-based" embezzlement?) it must clearly state that it is j&j&c's political organization that is the principal enemy of the people of nb. that the republican party represents j&j more fully than the democrats. that j&j prefers republicans to democrats against the peopl. the pc must purge itself immediately of its right wing, its republican elements (specifically bright & warren). it must take responsibility, openly, for the serious error that it made (makes!) in encouraging the promotion of the republican party in nb. that it is directly responsible for preparing the republican attack on public housing. & for the establishment of the republican foothold in nb (bright/warren/soaries). we call for unity on the basis of the peoples' campaign platform: seize power! (from j&j's political machine), community control! (as against j&j's political machine) put people first! (before j&j's corporate agenda) cliff smith student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy
State Supreme Court refuses
to hear trooper appeal in
turnpike case
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
3/14/01 6:12 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The state Supreme Court on
Wednesday refused to hear an appeal by two state
troopers charged in a New Jersey Turnpike shooting
that inflamed the state's racial profiling
controversy.
Troopers John Hogan and James Kenna had asked the
high court to dismiss the charges. Kenna is charged
with attempted murder and aggravated assault; Hogan is
charged with aggravated assault.
A trial judge dismissed the charges in October, but an
appeals court later reversed the decision. The high
court did not offer a reason for denying the appeal,
which claimed a prosecutor omitted his obligation to
explain to the grand jury the law governing the
justified use of force by police officers.
Both men said they fired at a van they had stopped on
the turnpike near Trenton in April 1998 because it
had started moving toward them. Three of the four men
inside -- all of them unarmed and all minorities --
were injured.
Additional charges that the troopers doctored records
to hide the race of motorists they stopped were put
on hold pending appeals in the shooting case. Federal
authorities are also pursuing possible civil rights
charges against Hogan and Kenna.
A year after the shooting, then-Attorney General Peter
Verniero admitted state troopers had targeted minority
drivers for drug prosecution. Documents released last
year showed that state officials had known that for
years before the shooting.
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This material may not be published, broadcast,
rewritten, or redistributed.
Bush says he will campaign
for DiFrancesco in November
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
3/14/01 5:39 PM
PLAINFIELD, N.J. (AP) -- President
Bush called him a good friend and
then promised to campaign for
Acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco
--
in November's general election.
DiFrancesco still has to win a
Republican primary as well
as actually file papers to run for
governor.
"Everyone knows the new acting
governor is my good friend and I
value his friendship," Bush said
Wednesday.
"I will be back in the general
election to help him win, if he
wants me," Bush said.
The president made his first visit
to New Jersey on Wednesday since
winning the election. He stopped in
Plainfield and East Brunswick to
promote faith-based initiatives and
his $1.6 trillion tax cut.
Republican DiFrancesco accompanied
Bush throughout the day.
DiFrancesco took over the chief
executive's job in January after
Bush named Christie Whitman to head
the Environmental Protection
Agency.
While thankful for the presidential
encouragement, DiFrancesco was
cautious not to boast of the
apparent endorsement.
"The president is a good friend of
mine and he offered to help in any
way possible," DiFrancesco said
after the East Brunswick stop. "I'm
very pleased with the visit. If
you're concerned with an
endorsement, I'm not. I haven't
even filed my papers yet."
DiFrancesco said he expects the
president will help him both in the
Republican primary, where he faces
a challenge from Jersey City Mayor
Bret Schundler, and the general
election.
Before beginning his speech, the
president wrapped DiFrancesco in a
bear hug.
"I'm very confident that at the
appropriate time, the
administration and the president
will be with us politically,"
DiFrancesco said.
Copyright 2001 Associated Press.
All rights reserved.
This material may not be published,
broadcast, rewritten, or
redistributed.
808 so. 10th st., nwk contact joe smith 586.5535 or can_bush@... unite, don't split!
Devco board may face vacancy because of Bush choice
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/15/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: President George W. Bush's nomination of Michael
Chertoff to head the U.S. Justice Department's criminal division may
create a vacancy on the New Brunswick Development Corporation's board
of directors.
Chertoff, a former U.S. attorney in New Jersey, has served on the
Devco board since 1995 and is expected to resign from the board if his
nomination is confirmed.
"While we will be sorry to lose Michael, the country will greatly
benefit from his tremendous skills and his commitment to justice,"
said Devco Chairman George Zoffinger.
President Christopher J. Paladino said no decisions have been made
about a possible replacement for Chertoff.
Devco does not have to fill Chertoff's board slot, noted Paladino.
Devco's board must have at least three and no more than 20 members, he
said.
Devco has 16 board members, Paladino said. Joe Whiteside, retired
senior vice president and treasurer of Rutgers University, was
appointed to the board last week, said Paladino.
The last board appointment before Whiteside was David Harris, a local
activist who is the executive director of the Greater New Brunswick
Day Care Council Inc. Harris, who also serves on the Rutgers
University board of governors, was added to the Devco board in the
first quarter of 2000.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: March 15, 2001
Egan tells of race for Assembly
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/15/01
By J.P. WHITE
and SHARON WATERSSTAFF WRITERS
NEW BRUNSWICK: Flanked by a host of Middlesex County Democratic
leaders, City Councilman Joseph V. Egan announced his candidacy for
the 17th District Assembly seat being vacated by Assemblyman Bob
Smith, who is running for state Senate.
Smith, Woodbridge Mayor Jim McGreevey -- a Democratic gubernatorial
candidate -- and others attended the formal announcement Tuesday at
the headquarters of the International Brotherhood of Electrical
Workers Local 456, where Egan is business manager.
A win by Egan would continue a long tradition of having a New
Brunswick resident in the Legislature, said Dyke Pollitt, a
spokesman for Sen. John Lynch, who encouraged Egan's candidacy.
"I wouldn't call it a dynasty. I would call it a tribute to the city -
producing leaders of quality voters want to return to the
Legislature," he said.
Lynch has decided not to run for re-election, leaving a succession of
openings for Smith's and Egan's campaigns.
"I'm sorry to see him go. I'm sure he'll be involved in the Democratic
Party in some way in the future," Egan said of Lynch.
"I lived in New Brunswick all my life," Egan said Tuesday at the labor
hall. "And I worked hard for working men and women all my adult life."
If nominated, Egan promised to tackle the high cost of insurance,
property taxes and education issues across the state, with
allegiance to the election and re-election of all Democrats.
"If elected, I look forward to running on the Jim McGreevey team,"
Egan said.
"Joe Egan is a precious resource. In a special way Joe represents the
special qualities of labor," said McGreevey, adding that the
Democrats must ensure the State's $12 billion school construction
program is handled by New Jersey contractors and laborers.
Egan said he was proud of the support shown Tuesday by Democrats and
labor leaders including: New Brunswick Mayor Jim Cahill; Assemblyman
John Wisniewski, D-Middlesex; Assemblyman Jerry Green, D-Middlesex,
Somerset, Union; Freeholder Director David Crabiel; Sheriff Joe
Spicuzzo, and state AFL-CIO President Charles Wowkanech.
Egan's City Council term ends in 2002 but he has not decided if he
will resign.
"I think it's a little premature to talk about it. I haven't even
gotten the Democratic nomination yet," he said.
Representatives from the Middlesex County Republican Organization said
they are waiting to see if district lines are redrawn
before announcing any candidates.
from the Home News Tribune
Published: March 15, 2001
Please distribute the attached flyer on FTAA teach-in at RU's Labor Ed. Center. The event's being sponsored by CWA's Jobs w/Justice, who have organized around WTO, etc., issues. Many different labor people will be there. Good opportunity to network and check out possibility of future blue-green-black-red coalitions. Thanks, Paul McGee, NJFO ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bensman" <dbensman@...> To: "Paul McGee" <pmcgee@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: Fw: Attached. > Paul would you please distribute a copy of the attached leaflet to the grad > students, and let as many other people about it as you can? > Thanks, > David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On March 19, three brothers working in November's New Brunswick municipal election will face charges of election misconduct before a Highland Park judge. One of them, Matthew Smith, is a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign. At these political trials, which were moved because of a conflict of interest involving the New Brunswick judge and prosecutor, the Smith brothers should be acquitted. There was criminal activity on Election Day, but it was committed by the New Brunswick City incumbents and their thugs. They perpetrated hundreds of election law violations that day, including: illegal electioneering inside polling places; falsification of challenger's badges; terroristic threats made on independent campaign workers, in addition to one well-publicized assault carried out on Joseph Smith; lying to student voters about their ability to cast votes, while allowing machine-friendly voters to vote in the machines; and attempting to hide an American flag at a polling site are just some of the offenses that are now being investigated. In the upcoming weeks, the New Brunswick People's Campaign will be releasing a report that details these offenses. The real criminals who have exposed themselves as bankrupt must be brought to justice; but before this occurs, the Highland Park judge should throw out these politically motivated charges. Zofia Nowakowski New Brunswick People's Campaign
7pm, thursday, 22march
2nd fl. lounge, college ave. student ctr.
guest speaker: Minister Linnie Muhammad
Trenton Representative
of the Honorable
Minister Louis Farrakhan
organize students to support the march on trenton may16!
contact joe smith 586.5535 or can_bush@...
i think the attachment was lost... when is the teach-in? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Paul McGee" <pmcgee@r...> wrote: > Please distribute the attached flyer on FTAA teach-in at RU's Labor Ed. > Center. > > The event's being sponsored by CWA's Jobs w/Justice, who have organized > around WTO, etc., issues. Many different labor people will be there. > > Good opportunity to network and check out possibility of future > blue-green-black-red coalitions. > > Thanks, Paul McGee, NJFO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Bensman" <dbensman@r...> > To: "Paul McGee" <pmcgee@r...> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:03 PM > Subject: Fw: Attached. > > > > Paul would you please distribute a copy of the attached leaflet to the > grad > > students, and let as many other people about it as you can? > > Thanks, > > David > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
good work, zofia. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> wrote: > On March 19, three brothers working in November's New Brunswick municipal election will face charges of election misconduct before a Highland Park judge. One of them, Matthew Smith, is a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign. At these political trials, which were moved because of a conflict of interest involving the New Brunswick judge and prosecutor, the Smith brothers should be acquitted. > > There was criminal activity on Election Day, but it was committed by the New Brunswick City incumbents and their thugs. They perpetrated hundreds of election law violations that day, including: illegal electioneering inside polling places; falsification of challenger's badges; terroristic threats made on independent campaign workers, in addition to one well-publicized assault carried out on Joseph Smith; lying to student voters about their ability to cast votes, while allowing machine-friendly voters to vote in the machines; and attempting to hide an American flag at a polling site are just some of the offenses that are now being investigated. In the upcoming weeks, the New Brunswick People's Campaign will be releasing a report that details these offenses. The real criminals who have exposed themselves as bankrupt must be brought to justice; but before this occurs, the Highland Park judge should throw out these politically motivated charges. > > Zofia Nowakowski > New Brunswick People's Campaign
santos perez, attorney for cliff & joe smith announced that highland park municipal court has adjourned the trial scheduled for 10:30am, monday, 19 march. the elected board campaign turned out the highest yes! vote of previous referendum efforts. keep the pressure on! unite, dont split.
check today's starledger p15 photo of bush2 w/arm around nj republican
sec. of state, oops, i mean curtis' religious leader, deforest "skunk"
soaries.
also, this:
Subject: FRANK BRIGHT CAN BE A FACTOR TO GET A
COMMUNITY CENTER
FRANK BRIGHT IS BELOVED BY THE PEOPLE. HE HAS A GOOD
TESTIMONY FROM ALL,
AND FROM THE TRUTH ITELF. AND WE , MY FAMILY AND I
BEAR WITNESS TO IT.
BELOVED JOE DO NOT IMITAITE WHAT IS EVIL , BUT WHAT
IS GOOD.
IT WAS OUR REPUBLICAN NEW BRUNSWICK LEADERSHIP THAT
RALLIED PROGRESSIVE
AND GRASSROOTS COALITIONS IN RECORD TIME. FRANK
BRIGHT IS A UNITER, NOT
A DIVIDER. FRANK BRIGHT DEFEND PUBLIC EDUCATION AND
DEFEND EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY.
ALL IN ALL, LET SEE IF HE CAN US CLOSER TO A SIMMING
POOL AND COMMUNIY.
IS THIS OUR GOAL. OR YOU PUT YOUR LEFTIST AGENDA
FIRST BEFORE THE
PEOPLE.
TRACY FORD
check today's starledger p15 photo of bush2 w/arm around nj republican
sec. of state, oops, i mean curtis' religious leader, deforest "skunk"
soaries.
also, this:
Subject: FRANK BRIGHT CAN BE A FACTOR TO GET A
COMMUNITY CENTER
FRANK BRIGHT IS BELOVED BY THE PEOPLE. HE HAS A GOOD
TESTIMONY FROM ALL,
AND FROM THE TRUTH ITELF. AND WE , MY FAMILY AND I
BEAR WITNESS TO IT.
BELOVED JOE DO NOT IMITAITE WHAT IS EVIL , BUT WHAT
IS GOOD.
IT WAS OUR REPUBLICAN NEW BRUNSWICK LEADERSHIP THAT
RALLIED PROGRESSIVE
AND GRASSROOTS COALITIONS IN RECORD TIME. FRANK
BRIGHT IS A UNITER, NOT
A DIVIDER. FRANK BRIGHT DEFEND PUBLIC EDUCATION AND
DEFEND EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY.
ALL IN ALL, LET SEE IF HE CAN US CLOSER TO A SIMMING
POOL AND COMMUNIY.
IS THIS OUR GOAL. OR YOU PUT YOUR LEFTIST AGENDA
FIRST BEFORE THE
PEOPLE.
TRACY FORD
SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and
working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous
attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity
and make unity impossible.
The essence of Marxism is materialist dialectics. The opposite of
dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics ackowledges the world in its
multi-sided complexity and continous change, development and transformation.
Meta-physics sees the world (and in the case at hand individuals) as static,
one-sided and eternally the same. SWORD's position on Curtis is a case study
of meta-physical thinking taken to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among
the most dedicated working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven
himself and his commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over
again. SWORD just like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for
maintaining the memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on
Powers St. Not only are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they
are an insult to the entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick.
The tree is a real symbol of working class resistance.
SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for two things. First for a single
comment he made to the Home News reporter and secondly for being a member of
First Baptist Church where Buster Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore
all of Curtis's practice and statements and focus in a single statement
obviously has nothing to do with Marxism or dialectics, or even
semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that matter. It is the meta-physical
thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young Catholic boys and girls. A
lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a single unforgivable sin etc.
etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin explains this type of
thinking:
"...Human knowledge is not (or does not follow) a straight line, but a
curve, which endlessly approximates a series of circles, a spiral. Any
fragment, segment, section of this curve can be transformed into an
independent, complete, straight line, which then (if one does not see the
forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of clerical obsurantism (where
it is anchored by the class interests of the ruling-classes)..." Is this
not exactly what SWORD has done? They have taken a single statement by
Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above a fragment of information
taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of clerical obscurantism in
ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed into EXCALIBUR and cleanses
the movement of Infidels...
The second issue constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of
First Baptist Church. Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs
to be defended even under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor
Soaries as a political leader. His choice of religion and church are a
private matter which has nothing to do with political organizing.
Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant repitition of
the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar Germany.
SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka is
warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German
Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of
Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite
their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking
allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the
trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not
our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with
revolution, Marxism, or working class power.
Take Care,
Keith
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keith in 1st paragraph, "SWORD makes unity impossible", and in last sentence, "to treat him like the enemy is trotskyism", when was it enacted by the reds that unity with trotsky was immpossible? you cannot put it on SWORD that we organize splits, because as much as you wanna scream that we attacked curtis and we're so stupid, SWORD has never moved to expel warren, or anyone else from peoples' campaign. and check you out attempting to drive a wedge between sword and the adams family, explain that one. i'm having a hard time understanding that your message is attemping to define that SWORD cannot be worked with on any basis because of our exposure of el curtis. why don't you take your arguement to the people and see that everybody on the street that knows soaries will tell you that he is a sell-out! not a religous leader... furthermore, curtis is not just a member of 1st baptist, he is employed by soaries and, simply put, an aspiring protege of soaries. let us discuss the world we live in, as you suggest. there is an exact connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing else has been done outside of adams murder? roughly five years and a whole police running whore houses scam later (let alone racist profiling). samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long discussion only about adams. and nothing has been done in five years. what a champion of the working class. i won't even mention that el curtis sabatoged our event to commemorate the 10 year mark of the police murder of shaun potts last summer by tearing down our literature so as not to let word be spread around 1st baptist. hhmmm... maybe you would like to explain why warren, "who has the right to practice religion and is just a member of 1st baptist and is the most dedicated working class activist in new brunswick", is an active member of the republican party? maybe you would like to explain why you yourself are an active member of the republican party. maybe you would like to explain how such "a single comment to the home news" even came about to begin with? where does the commentS, "WE are not here to tear down any political machine, WE are just here to try to do better" and that "WE are (ready and) willing to work with the corporations in new brunswick...", come from? do those commentS come from a dedicated working class activist? where does that thought pattern come from, working class or betrayal class? WE is not me. why has njfo never criticized the commentS at all, like they are part of your program also. those comments slander the peoples' campaign platform of which i have never violated. and also i have never been able to petition the general body about my expulsion led by xavier and enacted by the steering committee. curtis has never advocated soaries as a political leader you say. maybe, but the problem is it that el curtis associates himself at all with developing nazis. also the problem is that curtis has never spoken against sucker and his right wing agenda and for someone that is that close to him, not to condemn is only to embrace regardless if he stated it, that is the way the WORLD works. why does sucker hold hostage the over 1/2 million $$ already released by the state to crossroads threatre? does that not attack black working class culture, where is "working class activist curtis" to defend the threatre? the ultimate error with you and your relationship with curtis is that rather than organize the community, you latch on to someone that serves your immediate purposes. problem is, you're being used. and that is what leads and led to the rise of fascism. the so called communists/revolutionaries surrendered their platforms to the right wing elements, and in turn dug the graves for the masses of people. that is what you are doing know by not even putting forward your position on the selection of bright, of which i shouldn't even have to ask. sword will unite with liberals, not republicans and those that aspire to sell-out, you can have 'em. problem is, platform of community control has lost. joe >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Portrait of a Meta-Physician >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:47 -0000 > > SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and >working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous >attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity >and make unity impossible. > The essence of Marxism is materialist dialectics. The opposite of >dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics ackowledges the world in its >multi-sided complexity and continous change, development and >transformation. >Meta-physics sees the world (and in the case at hand individuals) as >static, >one-sided and eternally the same. SWORD's position on Curtis is a case >study >of meta-physical thinking taken to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among >the most dedicated working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven >himself and his commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over >again. SWORD just like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for >maintaining the memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on >Powers St. Not only are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they >are an insult to the entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick. >The tree is a real symbol of working class resistance. > SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for two things. First for a single >comment he made to the Home News reporter and secondly for being a member >of >First Baptist Church where Buster Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore >all of Curtis's practice and statements and focus in a single statement >obviously has nothing to do with Marxism or dialectics, or even >semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that matter. It is the meta-physical >thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young Catholic boys and girls. A >lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a single unforgivable sin etc. >etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin explains this type of >thinking: >"...Human knowledge is not (or does not follow) a straight line, but a >curve, which endlessly approximates a series of circles, a spiral. Any >fragment, segment, section of this curve can be transformed into an >independent, complete, straight line, which then (if one does not see the >forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of clerical obsurantism >(where >it is anchored by the class interests of the ruling-classes)..." Is this >not exactly what SWORD has done? They have taken a single statement by >Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above a fragment of information >taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of clerical obscurantism in >ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed into EXCALIBUR and cleanses >the movement of Infidels... > The second issue constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of >First Baptist Church. Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs >to be defended even under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor >Soaries as a political leader. His choice of religion and church are a >private matter which has nothing to do with political organizing. > Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant repitition of >the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar Germany. >SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka is >warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the >German >Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of >Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite >their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by >attacking >allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the >trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not >our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do >with >revolution, Marxism, or working class power. >Take Care, >Keith > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hello, I basically think NB is in a crisis period. It is turning the corner on gentrification as we write. The New Brunswick Apartments (by Commercial Ave) have changed ownership, residents are being given "enhanced vouchers" to leave that expire after 5 years, and tenants have been asked to sign new leases, which they may not understand. Also, I just found out Mrs. Adams is currently walking around New Brunswick looking for a place to live. What we are seeing is the planned large scale destruction of affordable housing, and the planned large scale introduction of nonaffordable housing. We need to develop and source as much resource as we can right now, and the question is how to do this effectively. Another thought is I think we should have a meeting for discussion about Keiths proposal to support McGreevey in the upcoming election. This is a big issue, is a departure from the prior modus operendi, and we must air full debate for all membership to participate before its decided in a general meeting. Also, it would be good to have a meeting focused on the housing authority issue where information can be shared and strategy discussed. Finally, many people in the community are distrustful of politics, and understandablly so. In addition to the political work we do, we need to recognize the value of spaces that are not too full of politicized and charged hype so people feel safe to engage, and can come together to begin to identify crises and figure out how to resolve them, while at the same time building connections for long-term and larger scale change. Zofia __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
for further dialog regarding New Brunswick Community Center Task Force go to NBCCTF@egroups.com or nb_cc_tf@egroups.com - joe ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ken Sammond >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:44 PM >To: Joseph Mosley >Subject: NBT & the Community Center Task Force > > >Joseph, > >Greetings from New Brunswick Tomorrow (NBT). > >Allow me to introduce myself, I am Kenneth Sammond, the Director of >Development at NBT. Jeffrey Vega, our President, asked if I could meet with you to discuss your goal and interest in creating a community center for all persons in our city (I have been a Hub City resident for over five years). > >I plan to attend the next meeting of the Community Center Task Force to obtain a greater understanding of this initiative and see how NBT's priorities link up with this endeavor. Currently, I understand this meeting will be held on the last Tuesday of March, from 6:30 to 7:30 pm. at 116 Livingston Avenue. If this is incorrect, please notify me. > I look forward to meeting you and discussing this initiative. If you have any questions in the meantime, do not hesitate to contact me via email or telephone. I can be reached at 246-0603. Thank you so much. > > >Best Regards, > >Ken Sammond
>soaries was put in office 1/99, less than 1yr after the 4/98 tpk
shooting, as a willing cover for official state terrorism (fascism).
while whitman's admin. denied the existence of profiling!
monday, 19march, state hearings begin on the official republican
denial of profiling. then atty gen'l peter verniero (now on nj
supreme
court) is key witness who denied profiling existed before the
shooting. he will be impeached & removed from the court.
at shaun potts '91 funeral, after his murder by nb police, soaries
was
quoting malcolm x on the need to seize power! we see what his view of
siezing power is. ("we're not here to tear down the political
machine,
we're just here to do better...")
join the march on trenton (may16) to defeat racist profiling & police
brutality!
join the Coalition for Justice! seize power from imperialism!
from nj secretary of state website:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, March 11, 1999
Contace: Missy
Gillespie
609-292-1166
SECRETARY OF STATE AFFIRMS ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT OF STATE POLICE;
CALLS A.G.'s INVESTIGATION THOROUGH & EXTENSIVE
Secretary of State DeForest B. Soaries, Jr. today said that "the
current debate surrounding the New Jersey State Police is much too
important to become a political football" and that the Whitman
Administration has exhibited courageous leadership in moving to
resolve divisive issues that detract from the critical work of the
State Police.
"These problems did not begin with this Administration but I am
confidant that they will end under the Whitman Administration,"
Secretary Soaries said. "I am disappointed that the first Governor
and
Attorney General who have taken decisive steps to improve the State
Police's relationship with all people are being attacked and
subjected
to partisan bickering. Our Troopers are some of the most professional
and admirable men and women in America. And, as a black man and
law-abiding citizen, I can tell you that there are legitimate
concerns
regarding racial profiling. Yet we must be careful not to create
scapegoats and blame individuals; instead we must change a culture
that allows problems to ferment. That is exactly what this Governor
and Attorney General are doing."
Secretary Soaries said that as a Police Chaplain who has had to
officiate at funeral services for law enforcement personnel,
including
an officer who committed suicide, he is well aware of the bravery and
pressures commanded by such important jobs. He said for every one
complaint there are ninety-nine other officers performing vital deeds
and services. In fact, he noted that Camden residents requested the
presence of the State Police in acknowledgement of the necessary role
they play in keeping communities safe and whole. Acknowledging that
questionable incidents involving law enforcement receive heightened
attention, Secretary Soaries said he believes that the pending
results
of the Attorney General's comprehensive investigation of the April 23
Turnpike shooting will help change public perceptions and prompt
healing surrounding sensitive, racial issues.
"Attorney General Peter Verniero is the same man who spearheaded
the process that resulted in the appointment of New Jersey's first
African-American Supreme Court Justice. He has appointed the first
Hispanic director of Gaming, the first African-American director of
elections and undertaken numerous other initiatives to improve the
relationship of law enforcement with all people, including his recent
Law Enforcement Summit, "Secretary Soaries said. "He has been
proactive, and, if anything should have an early hearing on his
nomination to the Supreme Court so that the public
can hear exactly what he has done in service to New Jersey."
Secretary Soaries also discussed the current search process for
a
new Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police. He serves on the
search committee with Attorney General Verniero, Chief Counsel John
Farmer, former Attorney General James R. Zazzali, and Director of
Criminal Justice Paul Zoubek. He noted that the search will include
both uniform and civilian candidates and candidates from within and
outside of New Jersey. To date, seven candidates, all from New
Jersey,
have been interviewed. Criteria for the pre-screening process include
factors such as management ability, knowledge of law enforcement,
communication skills, leadership ability and experience with issues
related to diversity.
"We have no specific timetable but we have made this a priority.
I want to assure the State Police and the public that this will be a
fair, non-political, non-racial, comprehensive search and that we are
considering a broad range of issues that are appropriate for a
position of this responsibility," he said.
Secretary Soaries, who manages Governor Whitman's Many Faces -
One Family diversity initiative, said that he will expand the program
to proactively address issues before they become fodder for partisan
debate. Soaries, New Jersey's first African-American male Secretary
of
State, took office on January 12, 1999.
who was it that whitman campaign organizer ed rollins sd was given
"street money" to suppress the nj black vote while she won by less
than 1%?
anyone remember?
Black Ministers cheer start of
inquest but warn against
scapegoating
By RALPH SIEGEL
The Associated Press
3/16/01 4:38 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The Black Ministers Council
applauded upcoming Senate hearings into racial
profiling
but cautioned lawmakers against hunting for a
scapegoat,
according to a statement issued Friday.
The Senate Judiciary Committee Monday is scheduled to
begin at least four days of public hearings on racial
profiling, when the New Jersey State Police and the
state
attorney general's office knew about the practice and
what
they are doing about it.
"The hearings should not be about getting anybody, but
getting at the truth and the facts about racial
profiling. The
Black Ministers Council is not calling for the
resignation or
the impeachment of anyone," said the council's
director,
the Rev. Reginald Jackson.
Jackson and the council have for three years taken a
lead
role in pressing the former Whitman administration on
state police reforms.
The mention of impeachment is a reference to Supreme
Court Justice Peter Verniero, who in an unprecedented
step has agreed to appear before the committee to
discuss
his actions as attorney general prior to his
confirmation to
the bench in May 1999. He joined the court the
following
September when Justice Stewart Pollock retired.
Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex, called for
Verniero's impeachment last year based on volumes of
papers on the topic released by the current attorney
general, John Farmer. Payne renewed the call last week
as depositions from witnesses interviewed by Judiciary
committee lawyer Michael Chertoff were made public.
Jackson praised the Judiciary chairman, Sen. William
Gormley, R-Atlantic, for staging the hearings and for
his
thorough preparation.
While many questioned Verniero's experience and
qualifications during his 1999 confirmation hearings,
the
Black Ministers Council at the time said his cover-up
of
racial profiling was the central issue as it opposed
his
appointment.
"It is clear from depositions and other documents that
have
been released that some of what we were told before
was
not accurate, and in fact misleading," Jackson said
Friday.
"There are some questions the (Council) believes need
to
be asked, not just of former Attorney General
Verniero, but
of his immediate predecessor and others in the
attorney
general's office and leadership of the state police."
In particular, Jackson said, the committee must
address
why state officials for three years refused to accept
a 1996
ruling by a trial judge in Gloucester County who
wanted to
dismiss some two-dozen criminal cases after concluding
troopers had a pattern of racial profiling
Further, Jackson said lawmakers must ask if racial
profiling would have been kept secret were it not for
the
1998 shooting on the New Jersey Turnpike. "The answer
to
this question is critically important and the minority
community in particular, and the state at large, need
to
know," he said.
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This material may
CITY TOURS BEING PLANNED: AmeriCop is planning to tour 10 cities and
towns
this summer to boost public support for
the police. Additionally, stops will
be made at several rest areas on the NJ
Turnpike where public support will be
encouraged for NJ State Troopers.
-TROOPER GUNS RECALLED: Last week
AmeriCop weighed in on the problems NJ
Troopers were having with their newly
issued pistols. We are happy to report
that the weapons are being recalled.
-PETITION DRIVE FOR NYPD COP CONTINUES:
AmeriCop is continuing its efforts to
raise 10,000 names on petitions, in an
effort to help Officer Charles Schwarz
get released from prison. Thousands of
citizens across America are convinced
Schwarz is innocent of the crimes he
was accused of during the Volpe/Louima
trial which tool place in NYC two years
ago. (More info)(Print petition)
Commentary
Standing up
for America's Finest
by:
Steven L. Rogers
Unfortunately, individuals who express
opinions which represent an
"anti-police" position are doing
everything possible to demoralize the rank
and file of America's finest, and in
particular New Jersey State Troopers.
These individuals have managed to
capture the attention of the press, the
public, and the politicians. They have
been successful in part, because the
majority of our leaders, both inside
and outside the law enforcement
community have remained silent. Hence,
when AmeriCop began to address these
high profile issues, individuals who
have had a honeymoon bashing the police,
became somewhat stunned and are now
expressing concern as to what strength we
are able to galvanize and how much
impact we will have on the political
establishment.
At no time in the history of this
republic has the police come under such an
intense attack. On television, radio
and in the newspapers, the police are
being portrayed as the bad guys. While
the "cop bashers" continue their
crusade, politicians who seek our
support every November, run for cover.
This November however, there is going
to be nowhere for them to hide. At
every public event, every meeting,
every news interview, the question to
numerous politicians running for office
is going to be asked- Where were you
when the police needed you? Where were
you when New Jersey State Troopers
needed your encouragement and support?
It will be interesting to see how they
answer that question. Because with an
answer comes a political price to pay.
America's police officers need to know
very clearly that the majority of the
people in this nation support them.
They need to know that in the face of
tremendous opposition and criticism,
the American people and America's
leaders are standing with them.
AmeriCop provides the collective voice of
the American people in support of those
who are called to protect and serve.
We intend to use that voice for the
good of the police and the people.
Politicians know one language, votes!
AmeriCop is going to make it very clear
to the political operatives who have
remained silent and refused to support
our nations police, that we understand
their language, and will turn our
political guns towards them come
election time. Tough talking? You bet! But
these are tough times and we are
addressing tough issues.
Many citizens continue to ask the
question-"How are you (AmeriCop) able to
accomplish so much?" First, our mission
is focused. We are not interested in
fund raising; therefore we do not have
to spend time seeking donations.
Instead of seeking money, we seek the
hearts, voices, and good will of the
American people.
AmeriCop knows very well that money is
not the answer to the problems the
police profession is facing today.
Instead, the answer lies in a willingness
of leaders to go into the arena on
behalf of the hard working citizens and
police officers who need our support,
and to challenge those individuals who
seek to destroy good men, good women,
and good police organizations.
It is easy to sit behind a desk and
make people feel good about what you say
you are doing for them. It is another
matter to actually face overwhelming
odds and fight the good fight of faith
on a national platform.
It is time for all Americans to stand
up and voice their support for the
police by writing letters, signing
petitions, and making calls to the people
we have elected to office to represent
the interests of the people and not
the interest of special interest
groups.
In the future, AmeriCop will be
organizing a 10 city tour where we will be
bringing thousands of people together
in support of their police. In the
meantime we ask you to send your
emails, letters, and cards to us, expressing
your support for your local police. We
ask you to spread the word about
AmeriCop and let the people know we
need to work together to protect those
who protect us.
Thank you for standing up for America's
finest and for supporting the
Greatest Cops In The World.- Steven
Rogers.
END
Hearing spotlight will be
harsh on Verniero
By RALPH SIEGEL
The Associated Press
3/17/01 11:04 AM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- In 10 days, Peter Verniero will
temporarily shed his judicial robes and testify again
before
the same Senate committee that approved his
appointment
to the New Jersey Supreme Court 22 months ago.
On Monday, the committee begins at least four days of
public hearings on racial profiling, what the New
Jersey
State Police and the state attorney general's office
knew
about it and when, and what they did -- or did not do
--
about it.
Verniero, a former attorney general, is scheduled to
appear
on March 28, the final day. He is clearly the star
attraction.
Verniero told lawmakers in 1999 it did not become
plain to
him that racial profiling was a pattern and a problem
in
some state police units until that spring. Critics say
documents disclosed since then show significant data
was
on his desk years earlier.
Six of the 11 senators he will be facing under oath
voted no
when the full Senate acted on his Supreme Court
appointment 22 months ago. He was confirmed with the
minimum 21 votes needed.
Further, two Republican senators who voted yes at the
time now say they have serious second thoughts about
their decision. And the committee is chaired by Sen.
William Gormley, R-Atlantic, who has been discreetly
silent on his views about Verniero lately.
The Verniero confirmation hearings featured some
discussion about racial profiling, but the debate was
mostly about the then-40-year-old Annandale lawyer's
credentials for the bench after a career spent mostly
as a
political operative for Republicans like former Gov.
Christie
Whitman.
"I always believed he was always a political
character, and
a lot of the media and the people around there thought
he
was a lawyer," said Sen. John Lynch, D-Middlesex, the
panel's ranking Democrat. At the confirmation
hearings, he
tried to make the state police more of the focus,
peppering
the attorney general with questions about memos,
statistics and hiring decisions.
Since then, Lynch said, the volumes of additional
evidence
released by Attorney General John Farmer and provided
in
Judiciary Committee depositions -- all of it
undisclosed
when Verniero last appeared -- tilts the case more
severely
against Verniero.
"The record will be clear that he manipulated the
process
to his own benefit," Lynch said. "There is no question
that
he had knowledge of the seriousness of racial
profiling, but
that needs to come out."
It is unprecedented for the Legislature to seek
testimony
from three of the state's top seven members of the
judicial
branch, including the chief justice.
The Judiciary Committee's special counsel, Michael
Chertoff, a former U.S. attorney, agreed to take
closed-door depositions from Chief Justice Deborah
Poritz
and Associate Justice Jaynee LaVecchia, sparing them
from a live appearance in a hearing room certain to be
abuzz with news media and observers. But Gormley has
insisted that Verniero testify publicly.
Depositions recently made public by the committee
include one from Verniero's chief aide in the attorney
general's office, Paul Zoubek, who said Verniero went
against his staff's advice and pressed ahead with the
April
1999 indictments against troopers John Hogan and James
Kenna for falsifying records.
Zoubek and others feared Verniero might jeopardize the
effort to bring more serious charges against the two
troopers for the 1998 shooting of three minority men
during
a New Jersey Turnpike car stop. But Zoubek in his
deposition said Verniero was more worried about the
public
perception that things were happening too slowly.
Verniero's appearance before the committee will give
its
members and others a second assessment of his
veracity.
"I think the public is going to be asking me to pass
judgment on him, and I take that responsibility on him
very
seriously," said Sen. John Matheussen, R-Gloucester,
who
supported Verniero's confirmation in 1999.
Sen. Louis Kosco, R-Bergen, voted in favor of Verniero
without hesitation two years ago.
"Well, we are having second thoughts, certainly. There
are
a lot of questions that have to be answered, and he is
going to have to answer them," he said.
Both men said Verniero's answers on racial profiling
were a
key in their decision to support him for the bench.
Since
then, both said their views have been altered by the
reams
of documents and depositions.
"If I found out that he lied on his job application, I
would be
outraged," Matheussen said. "This is probably one of
the
more serious things I have ever had to look at as a
state
legislator."
Lawmakers will not formally discuss judicial
impeachment,
a measure technically reserved for behavior on the
bench,
not prior to appointment. But one legislative aide
told The
Associated Press impeachment has become an
increasingly lively topic of cloakroom conversation.
"Who knows if it will amount to anything, but it is
shocking
to hear them even talking about the topic less than
two
months after Whitman leaves the state," the aide said.
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NJ--Racial
Profiling-Committee
The Associated Press
3/17/01 11:00 AM
Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which
begins
hearings Monday on racial profiling, and how the
members
voted in May 1999 on former Attorney General Peter
Verniero's nomination to the state Supreme Court.
SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
7 Republicans, 4 Democrats.
James S. Cafiero, R-Cape May, voted yes.
Garry Furnari, D-Essex, voted no.
John A. Girgenti, D-Passaic, voted no.
William L. Gormley, R-Atlantic, chairman, voted yes.
Louis F. Kosco, R-Bergen, voted yes.
John A. Lynch, D-Middlesex, voted no.
Robert J. Martin, R-Morris, voted yes in committee, no
on
Senate floor.
John J. Matheussen, R-Gloucester, voted yes.
Edward T. O'Connor, D-Hudson, voted no.
Norm Robertson, R-Passaic, voted yes.
Raymond J. Zane, R-Gloucester, voted no.
Note: Sen. John O. Bennett, R-Monmouth, voted yes in
1999 but no longer sits on committee. Zane was a
Democrat at the time of his no vote.
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NJ--Racial
Profiling-Chronology
The Associated Press
3/17/01 10:59 AM
A chronology of legislative activity since a shooting
by
state troopers escalated the controversy over racial
profiling. The Senate Judiciary Committee opens a new
round of racial profiling hearings on Monday.
--April 23, 1998: Troopers James Kenna and John Hogan
fire on a Dodge Caravan containing four minority men
from
New York during a traffic stop on the New Jersey
Turnpike
in Mercer County. Three of the van's occupants are
wounded. Troopers claim the van was backing up to
strike
them.
--April 13, 1999: The Legislative Black and Latino
Caucus
conducts first of three public hearings with witnesses
testifying about racial profiling incidents. The
caucus
eventually calls for outside civilian oversight of the
state
police.
--April 20: Attorney General Peter Verniero releases
report
saying racial profiling is "real, not imagined." The
report
acknowledges blacks are not only pulled over more
often,
they are far more likely to have their vehicles
searched.
--April 26: Verniero appears before the first Senate
Judiciary Committee on racial profiling and gives a
public
briefing on that report.
--May 6: Following two days of hearings, the Senate
Judiciary Committee votes 7-4 to approve Verniero's
nomination to state Supreme Court.
--May 10: After hours of debate, the Senate confirms
Verniero with the minimum number of votes, 21. Three
Republicans join all 15 Democrats to oppose the
nomination.
--Aug. 27: The Black and Latino Caucus schedules a
hearing for Aug. 30, giving minority troopers a chance
to
testify about racial discrimination within the state
police. A
letter to the troopers from acting Superintendent
Michael
Fedorko reminds them of regulations against disclosing
confidential information. Some regard the letter as a
threat
to discourage those who might have considered
testifying.
--Sept. 22, 2000: Attorney General John J. Farmer
announces his decision to release state police records
related to racial profiling, after months of fighting
in court to
block the release of the documents.
--Oct. 16: Senate Judiciary Committee asks to review
those documents. Former U.S. Attorney Michael Chertoff
agrees to head panel's inquiry. Chairman Sen. William
L.
Gormley, R-Atlantic, says hearings will be held.
--Nov. 20: Committee asks former Gov. Christie Whitman
to turn over any records related to racial profiling
in her
office.
--Nov. 27: Farmer releases nearly 100,000 pages of
state
police documents. Reports, memos and other items show
state authorities knew for more than a decade that
minorities were being targeted for traffic stops by
troopers.
--Feb 6, 2001: Committee releases witness list for
hearings. Verniero and two other Supreme Court
justices
are named along with Farmer, several deputies in the
attorney general's office and state police officers,
including
two former superintendents.
--March 6: Committee releases transcripts of
depositions
from more than two dozen key witnesses. Testimony
includes statements from top state police officers and
deputies in the attorney general's office that racial
profiling
was ignored, even after evidence showed troopers
targeted
minority drivers.
--March 8: Committee members agree to limit their
racial
profiling inquiry to a list of 11 issues.
--March 14: Committee releases final transcript of
witness
testimony. First Assistant Attorney General Paul
Zoubek
says Verniero bowed to public pressure and ordered
indictment of troopers on records falsification
charges.
--March 19: First of four scheduled hearings to begin.
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NJ--Racial
Profiling-Testimony
The Associated Press
3/17/01 10:55 AM
Excerpts of former Attorney General Peter G.
Verniero's
testimony about racial profiling during Senate
Judiciary
Committee hearings on his nomination as an associate
justice of the New Jersey Supreme Court.
May 5, 1999
"As I said last week, I have ultimate responsibility
for every
action that is taken in my department, and
specifically on
the racial profiling issue, I feel I discharged my
responsibility at all appropriate times."
"It was not until ... the turnpike incident of April
of 1998
where the issues and allegations of racial profiling
crystallized in my mind. And at that point forward, I
took
very aggressive steps, I believe, at all the
appropriate
times."
"We began looking in earnest at these issues a year
ago,
and beyond that, as I indicated, we had a law
enforcement
summit in December of last year because I was so
troubled and so concerned about the opinion surveys
that I
was seeing in which persons of color, minority
citizens,
distrusted police almost in an inverse proportion to
majority
citizens, non-minorities, who trusted police. And it
became
very apparent to me that we had a great divide in New
Jersey, and that was very troubling to me, as chief
law
enforcement officer."
May 6, 1999
"As I say, the allegations of profiling crystallized
in my
mind around the time of the turnpike case. That's when
we
began looking at data in a comprehensive way starting
with
the two barracks."
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NJ--Racial Profiling-Glance
The Associated Press
3/17/01 10:53 AM
The Senate Judiciary Committee has examined the nearly
100,000 pages of documents on racial profiling
released by
New Jersey's attorney general in November.
The committee has also interviewed 28 current and
former
state police officials and ranking deputies in the
attorney
general's office.
Here are some of the materials the committee is
considering:
--A report that looked at the race of motorists who
had
been searched on the New Jersey Turnpike on randomly
selected dates from 1994 to 1996. Of 542 searches, 84
percent involved minority motorists. At one barracks,
94
percent of the drivers searched in one three-month
period
were minorities.
--An excerpt from a 1989 state police memo containing
one of the earliest internal warnings:
"New Jersey's status as a corridor state combined with
its
large Hispanic and black population ... exposes New
Jersey state troopers to increased interaction with
black
and Hispanic criminals. The State Police, which is
tasked
with patrolling these interstate roadways, has
recognized
this situation and has accepted this `front line' role
in the
`war on drugs."'
--Another report that examined 31 incidents on the
turnpike
in 1995 and 1996 that resulted in arrests. Of the 46
people
arrested, only eight were white. Of the 30 cars
stopped, 29
were from out of state.
--An excerpt from a 1999 memo from a high-ranking
deputy
attorney general:
"Racial profiling exists as part of the culture. The
assumption is made that minorities are drug dealers
and
cops are encouraged to stop them and toss their cars."
-- The deposition of First Assistant Attorney General
Paul
Zoubek in which he described a meeting with
then-Attorney
General Peter Verniero as the first anniversary of the
incident in which two state troopers shot and wounded
three minority motorists on the New Jersey Turnpike
neared. Prosecutors had just told Verniero that their
investigation needed more time.
Zoubek: "The question that the attorney general asked
was, can we move the falsification indictment because
we
need to demonstrate action on this because we are
getting
subject to criticism of delay in this investigation."
Committee attorney Michael Chertoff: "Did anybody . .
.
besides the attorney general recommend that the
falsification indictment be brought out before the
anniversary of the shooting?"
Zoubek: "That was brought up by the attorney general."
Chertoff: "He was the one who recommended or raised
that
issue?"
Zoubek: "Yes."
--The deposition of state police Sgt. Thomas Gilbert,
who
testified that he began collecting data that showed
minority
drivers were stopped and searched much more frequently
than white drivers. By February 1997 that data was in
the
hands of Carl Williams, then state police
superintendent,
and was then forwarded through a deputy to Verniero,
witnesses said.
--The deposition of former Deputy Attorney General
Alexander Waugh, who testified about meetings with
Verniero.
Chertoff: "During this period, at meetings with the
attorney
general, was there a discussion about the fact that
this
was a real problem that had to be addressed and
fixed?"
Waugh: "I think that the consensus was that it was not
clear that it was a significant event ... that there
was a
pattern or a practice of racial profiling going on."
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Page after page, records set
stage for committee hearings
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
3/17/01 10:51 AM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Page by page the story of how
New Jersey's war on drugs became racial profiling has
been laid out -- first in a cache of documents from
the
attorney general, then in transcripts of more than two
dozen interviews with key law enforcement and state
government officials.
Now comes time for the people behind that story --
state
police officers, prosecutors, past and present
attorneys
general -- to tell their side before a state Senate
committee.
"It's all there in the papers, in the record,
everything is
there. We're just going to walk people through it,
hear what
they have to say and then the committee will ask
questions. Hopefully, we'll get answers," said state
Sen.
William L. Gormley, R-Atlantic, chairman of the Senate
Judiciary Committee.
The committee's hearings begin Monday. They will focus
on the state's response to the mounting evidence that
racial profiling -- the practice of targeting minority
motorists
for traffic stops -- was being practiced by the state
police.
While the attorney general's office knew as early as
1988
that race-based profiles of drug couriers were
problematic,
the committee's inquiry concentrates on a three-year
period and the actions of one man.
In 1996, a Superior Court judge allowed racial
profiling as a
defense and dismissed evidence in drug cases.
In 1999, then Attorney General Peter Verniero admitted
racial profiling was "real, not imagined" in a report
issued
before he joined the state Supreme Court.
The committee wants to know why the state continued to
appeal the 1996 decision while state police audits
increasingly indicated that blacks and other
minorities
were targeted more often than whites for traffic
stops.
Verniero will be called to answer allegations that his
office
did not cooperate in the early stages of an
investigation by
the U.S. Justice Department.
Also under scrutiny is the decision to indict two
state
troopers on charges they falsified records at the same
time
a separate grand jury was investigating their
involvement in
the April 1998 shooting on the New Jersey Turnpike
that
outraged minority residents and drew national
attention to
the racial profiling issue.
Verniero later said it was not until the shooting and
its
investigation that racial profiling "crystallized" in
his mind.
First on the witness list is state police Sgt. Thomas
Gilbert, once assigned to study motor vehicle stops by
fellow troopers.
A 1997 report by Gilbert says: "At this point, we are
in a
very bad spot. The Justice Department has a very good
understanding of how we operate and what type of
numbers they can get their hands on to prove their
position."
Gilbert's study examined work done by troopers at the
Moorestown barracks from April to December 1994 and
again from July to December 1996. His data said
minority
motorists accounted for 89 percent of those subjected
to
searches by state troopers. Another study of troopers
at
the Cranbury barracks reportedly showed minorities
accounted for 94 percent of all searches.
Last on the schedule is Verniero himself. Several
witnesses have told the committee's interviewers that
Verniero oversaw much of the investigation into
profiling. A
deputy attorney general said during one period he
spoke
with Verniero almost daily on the subject. But others
said
Verniero and high-ranking deputies never saw key
reports
that the Justice Department demanded.
In a May 1997 meeting, Verniero asked Carl Williams,
then
the state police superintendent, about data collected
by
Gilbert.
"The attorney general sort of fixed him in the eye,
and said,
`Look -- let's get this straight, is racial profiling
a problem
at the state police' and he said no," testified
Alexander
Waugh, a former deputy attorney general.
"I think that the consensus was that it was not clear
...
that there was a pattern or a practice of racial
profiling
going on," Waugh said.
All of these-once private conversations are now
recounted
in copies of the transcript available on the Internet
and in a
special reading room at the Statehouse. Also public
are
nearly 100,000 pages of records released in November
by
Attorney General John J. Farmer Jr.
The public deserves to see the details and hear all
the
answers, Gormley said.
"That's why we're doing this. We are going to have
everything out in the open. At the end of this, people
are
going to be able to say this was one of the most
thorough
hearings ever held by the Legislature," Gormley said.
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excellent work zofia. joe >From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Letter to the Editor sent >Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:08:22 -0500 > > On March 19, three brothers working in November's New Brunswick municipal >election will face charges of election misconduct before a Highland Park >judge. One of them, Matthew Smith, is a member of the New Brunswick >People's Campaign. At these political trials, which were moved because of >a conflict of interest involving the New Brunswick judge and prosecutor, >the Smith brothers should be acquitted. > > There was criminal activity on Election Day, but it was committed by the >New Brunswick City incumbents and their thugs. They perpetrated hundreds >of election law violations that day, including: illegal electioneering >inside polling places; falsification of challenger's badges; terroristic >threats made on independent campaign workers, in addition to one >well-publicized assault carried out on Joseph Smith; lying to student >voters about their ability to cast votes, while allowing machine-friendly >voters to vote in the machines; and attempting to hide an American flag at >a polling site are just some of the offenses that are now being >investigated. In the upcoming weeks, the New Brunswick People's Campaign >will be releasing a report that details these offenses. The real criminals >who have exposed themselves as bankrupt must be brought to justice; but >before this occurs, the Highland Park judge should throw out these >politically motivated charges. > >Zofia Nowakowski >New Brunswick People's Campaign > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
coalition for justice 2 prospect st trenton nj 08618 609 394 2060 for immediate release 14 march 01 A TIME TO MARCH: THE MARCH ON TRENTON TO PROTEST POLICE BRUTALITY & RACIAL PROFILING (Statement by Lawrence Hamm, Chairman, Coalition for Justice, and head of the People's Organization for Progress at a press conference held at the statehouse in Trenton, NJ, Wednesday, March 14, 2001. For further information call 973 801 0001.) Today, the Coalition for Justice (CFJ) calls upon everyone to be part of our March on Trenton, NJ, the state capital, on Wednesday, May 16 of this year. We are calling this March because the problems of police brutality and racial profiling are having a terrible effect on the lives of people throughout the state. We are marching to demand an end to police brutality and racial profiling, to draw attention to these problems, to advance reforms for police forces at the state and local levels, and to bring pressure to bear on government at all levels to enact these reforms. This March arises out of our concern about recent incidents of police brutality and racial profiling including the death of Earl Faison while in police custody in Orange, NJ, the shooting death of Stanton Crew on Rt. 80, the deaths of Jenny Hightower an Natalie Williams in Trenton, the shooting of three minority men on the NJTpk by state troopers, the killing of Amadou Diallo and other police brutality cases. The Coalition for Justice is an alliance of grassroots, religious, civil rights, human rights, labor, student, and civic organizations, ordinary citizens, community leaders, activists, and elected officials. CFJ calls upon all individuals and organizations concerned about the problems of police brutality and racial profiling to attend the March which will begin at 11:00am and the rally at the statehouse which will begin at 12:00noon. The Coalition asks the community to support our demands, which in summary form are as follows: We demand the establishment of legally empowered, adequately funded, independent community-controlled police review boards with full investigative and subpoena powers, for police forces at the state, county, and local levels; the establishment of an Office of the Independent State Posecutor to investigate and prosecute cases of police brutality and racial profiling and other criminal justice system abuses; and passage of legislation that will outlaw all racial profiling by state, county, and local police, and all other entities. We demand that Mr. John J. Farmer, Jr., Attorney General of the State of New Jersey, reopen the investigation into the death of Earl Faison. We demand state and federal investigations into the deaths of Jenny Hightower and Natalie Williams, federal prosecution of the killers of Stanton Crew, and investigations into all other cases of police brutality. We demand a full review of the involvement and activities of New Jersey Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero while state Attorney General, with regards to the issue of racial profiling by New Jersey State Troopers. We demand his removal from the state Supreme Court because of the manner in which he handled and dealt with that issue. We demand the implementation of racial bias testing for police at all levels; the hiring of more African-American, Latino, women, and other minorities as officers at state, county, and local levels. Finally, we demand the full conviction on all counts of troopers John Hogan & James Kenna at their September 4 trial, and that the trial be maintained in Mercer County with the current state prosecutor. At the conclusion of this press conference representatives of the coalition will visit the offices of the governor and attorney general to request that meetings be scheduled to discuss our demands. In addition to our demands, we encourage the passage of all legislation related to truly solving the problems of police brutality and racial profiling proposed by members of the NJ Legislative Black and Latino Caucus. We are particularly interested in S-858 (Turner/ Bryant/co:James) and A-937 (Jones/Payne) which would establish a Civilian Board of Review and investigate complaints and allegations of state police misconduct, and S-861 (Bryant/James) and A-938 (Payne Watson/Coleman) which would create an Office of the Independent Prosecutor. The Coalition is calling a mass organizing meeting for the March for Saturday, April 7. It will take place at the Imani Community Center, 2 Prospect St. in Trenton at 4pm. We invite everyone throughout the state and region who is interested in organizing or participating in the March to attend. People are suffering and dying because of police brutality and racial profiling. The pain is unbearable, the injustice is unconscionable, and the situation is critical. Now is the time for fundamental change in police forces and the criminal justice system. Now is the time for people to march. Let us march together for justice on May 16.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:57:53 -0500 From: Dahlia Goldenberg <daliag@...> Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [njfo] Join an international campaign against Plan Colombia Dear NJFO friends, I am here in Ecuador for a year studying with women's grassroots organizations. I have a friend who is working to organize a campaign against Plan Colombia, and they are looking for US organizations and individuals who would like to work on the campaign. The organization is Women for Democrary (Mujeres por la Democracia), and they are particularly looking for women's organizations, or at least the perspective that they will put on the campaign is from the perspective of women's organizations. If NJFO, Sisterhood and Struggle, or any of you (men or women) as individuals would like to get involved, you can write to me. Also feel free to forward this to anyone who may be interested, or give me the contact info. for anyone who may be interested. The idea is for you, along with other participants, to find the funds to come to Ecuador in a few months and design the campaign together with women from Ecuador and other parts of Latin America. Also, there will be an event in Brooklyn to honor Colombian human rights activists and peace activists. The organizer of the event is an attorney who is also working with someone from WBAI radio and the Colombia Media Project. He is not affiliated with the campaign in Ecuador. The event is April 29, 2001 from 11am to 3pm at the Brooklyn Society for Ethical Culture, 53 Prospect Park West. If you want more info., or want to help publicize the event around New Brunswick, drop me a line, and I'll send you the contact info. Thank you!!!!!!! Dahlia Goldenberg
> Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant repitition of > the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar Germany. > SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka is > warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German > Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of > Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite > their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking > allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the > trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not > our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with > revolution, Marxism, or working class power. The comparison seems valid, at least loosely. Let's not forget, too, that to believe in Purity, to believe that there is some pure inner truth to any given person -- this is the basic idea that guides the most virulent forms of racism and gender oppression. This isn't as abstract as it seems. Think of the old technique in the South of connecting "the defense of our White women" with "the necessity of keeping Blacks in their place". Unfortunately, if you insist upon a concept of morality that splits people up into Pure Good and Pure Evil, you end up having a way of thinking in common with something much much worse than 'Trotskyism' ... Yours, Jeremy
jeremy/keith, in response to the section below can you explain how curtis is liberal and not republican? and do either of you know what i can do to get njfo's position on the selection of bright? keith how can you simotaneously uphold Amiri: Republicans in the Garbage Can! Peoples' War on the Right! and working with republicans within your organization? seems as if something has to give... joe Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant repitition of the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar Germany. SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka is warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with revolution, Marxism, or working class power. > >The comparison seems valid, at least loosely. > >Let's not forget, too, that to believe in Purity, to believe that >there is some pure inner truth to any given person -- this is the >basic idea that guides the most virulent forms of racism and gender >oppression. > >This isn't as abstract as it seems. Think of the old technique in the >South of connecting "the defense of our White women" with "the >necessity of keeping Blacks in their place". > >Unfortunately, if you insist upon a concept of morality that splits >people up into Pure Good and Pure Evil, you end up having a way of >thinking in common with something much much worse than 'Trotskyism' >... > >Yours, > >Jeremy > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe wrote: "there is an exact connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing else has been done outside of adams murder?" Joe's statement here really drags this dispute to a new level of absurdity and does more to undermine the credibility of BOL/SWORD's callous, dogmatic, devisive charges against Curtis than I thought was possible. In order to substantiate this hole that they've dug themselves into, Joe has now resorted to discrediteding Curtis by way of discrediting the entire history of the New Brunswick Coalition Against Police Brutality. First off, to question where Curtis was before Sissy Adams was murdered by the NBPD is tantamount to betrayal of the role of an organizer, especially one who considers himself a revolutionary...Isn't it part of our role to lead the spontaneous upsurge caused by anticipated crisis (in this case, police brutality & Adams murder) & to seek out the "advanced" from the people? To attack Curtis for stepping up to as a force in organizing his community, building the Coalition and as a consistant support for the greeving Adams family, is not only betrayal, but when this comes from a white, suburban bred settler in a community of poor, opressed nationalities, it really comes tinged with a subtle, but deep rooted chauvinism. As for this incredible charge that the Coalition did nothing for years but work on the Adams case (I guess this is to say that Curtis manipulated us all that time to serve his own dasturdly ends as an "imperialist running dog" !!), here is a partial list of our campaigns: * Organized protests in the wake of the Adams murder, forced killer cop Consalvo off the force and out of town. Upkept the Memorial Tree till this date, a broadly recognized symbol of popular resistance. * Organized for 3 years to "Free the NB Three"--Omar Auten & Co.; Ultimately got charges dropped, and used the opportunity to bring wide public exposure to terrorist Sgt "Craterface" Millroy. * Organized wide public exposure of NBPD/Somerset PD/County Sheriff Office break-ins & attacks on residences in Rutgers Village * Organized wide public exposure of HUD sanctioned NBPD break-ins at NB Homes. * Organized wide public exposure of Marshal/Chincilla shooting & retirement scheme, bringing first broad public scrutiny of prostitution houses through prees conferences, flyering etc. (contrary to Joe's strange assertions that we did nothing & BOL/SWORD's self-aggrandazing that they single-handedly brought convictions against Marshall & Chincilla.) * Organized "Know Your Rights" public education campaigns throughout the NB neighborhoods for several years. * Organized still incomplete "Right to Know" lawsuit to gain access to internal police files * Organized campaigns to promote the cause for community control over the police, and community police review control board locally, & statewide. * Organized against Racist Profiling statewide in the wake of the Hogan/Kenna turnpike shootings. * etc, etc. I could go on, but the point is that the work of the NBCAPB is a critical legacy of popular resistance, building unity & encouraging struggle in NB. Some of the closest allies the the Peoples' Campaign had in the community were a result of the years of work by the Coalition and people like Curtis. To attack this legacy in order to prop up BOL/SWORD's dogmatic, puritanical crusade against Curtis is opportunistic at best, and worse, it threatens more still to create divisions where they need not be and totally betrays their own demands to "Unite, Don't Split". Finally, this: Joe wrote: "samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long discussion only about adams." Now, in my years with the Coalition, I witnessed Curtis & Samantha in a great, productive, & mutually respectful working relationship. I can't speak for her, but what I saw was that she actually distanced herself from BOL during the City Council Race because she was embarassed by their attacks on Curtis, attacks that have continued in the most unprincipled manor, in the name of revolutionary principles, and in the most divisive way, in the name of Unity. Same shit. Hey, Joe- Take it easy...take a breath...this ain't happening...you're causing far more people to keep to keep their distance than would otherwise want to work with you. Why dig the hole deeper? BOL/SWORD has had some very valid criticisms of the PC & NJFO that could & should be discussed, but that is getting obscured in this, & it severely undermines your credibility & as Curtis said, while you attack him "your real enemy is closing in on you." Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Portrait of a Meta-Physician Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:50:27 -0500 keith in 1st paragraph, "SWORD makes unity impossible", and in last sentence, "to treat him like the enemy is trotskyism", when was it enacted by the reds that unity with trotsky was immpossible? you cannot put it on SWORD that we organize splits, because as much as you wanna scream that we attacked curtis and we're so stupid, SWORD has never moved to expel warren, or anyone else from peoples' campaign. and check you out attempting to drive a wedge between sword and the adams family, explain that one. i'm having a hard time understanding that your message is attemping to define that SWORD cannot be worked with on any basis because of our exposure of el curtis. why don't you take your arguement to the people and see that everybody on the street that knows soaries will tell you that he is a sell-out! not a religous leader... furthermore, curtis is not just a member of 1st baptist, he is employed by soaries and, simply put, an aspiring protege of soaries. let us discuss the world we live in, as you suggest. there is an exact connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing else has been done outside of adams murder? roughly five years and a whole police running whore houses scam later (let alone racist profiling). samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long discussion only about adams. and nothing has been done in five years. what a champion of the working class. i won't even mention that el curtis sabatoged our event to commemorate the 10 year mark of the police murder of shaun potts last summer by tearing down our literature so as not to let word be spread around 1st baptist. hhmmm... maybe you would like to explain why warren, "who has the right to practice religion and is just a member of 1st baptist and is the most dedicated working class activist in new brunswick", is an active member of the republican party? maybe you would like to explain why you yourself are an active member of the republican party. maybe you would like to explain how such "a single comment to the home news" even came about to begin with? where does the commentS, "WE are not here to tear down any political machine, WE are just here to try to do better" and that "WE are (ready and) willing to work with the corporations in new brunswick...", come from? do those commentS come from a dedicated working class activist? where does that thought pattern come from, working class or betrayal class? WE is not me. why has njfo never criticized the commentS at all, like they are part of your program also. those comments slander the peoples' campaign platform of which i have never violated. and also i have never been able to petition the general body about my expulsion led by xavier and enacted by the steering committee. curtis has never advocated soaries as a political leader you say. maybe, but the problem is it that el curtis associates himself at all with developing nazis. also the problem is that curtis has never spoken against sucker and his right wing agenda and for someone that is that close to him, not to condemn is only to embrace regardless if he stated it, that is the way the WORLD works. why does sucker hold hostage the over 1/2 million $$ already released by the state to crossroads threatre? does that not attack black working class culture, where is "working class activist curtis" to defend the threatre? the ultimate error with you and your relationship with curtis is that rather than organize the community, you latch on to someone that serves your immediate purposes. problem is, you're being used. and that is what leads and led to the rise of fascism. the so called communists/revolutionaries surrendered their platforms to the right wing elements, and in turn dug the graves for the masses of people. that is what you are doing know by not even putting forward your position on the selection of bright, of which i shouldn't even have to ask. sword will unite with liberals, not republicans and those that aspire to sell-out, you can have 'em. problem is, platform of community control has lost. joe >From: "Keith Joseph" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] >Portrait of a Meta-Physician Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:47 -0000 > >SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and >working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous >attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity >and make unity impossible. The essence of Marxism is materialist >dialectics. The opposite of dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics >ackowledges the world in its multi-sided complexity and continous change, >development and transformation. Meta-physics sees the world (and in the >case at hand individuals) as static, one-sided and eternally the same. >SWORD's position on Curtis is a case study of meta-physical thinking taken >to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among the most dedicated >working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven himself and his >commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over again. SWORD just >like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for maintaining the >memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on Powers St. Not only >are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they are an insult to the >entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick. The tree is a real >symbol of working class resistance. SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for >two things. First for a single comment he made to the Home News reporter >and secondly for being a member of First Baptist Church where Buster >Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore all of Curtis's practice and >statements and focus in a single statement obviously has nothing to do with >Marxism or dialectics, or even semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that >matter. It is the meta-physical thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young >Catholic boys and girls. A lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a >single unforgivable sin etc. etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin >explains this type of thinking: "...Human knowledge is not (or does not >follow) a straight line, but a curve, which endlessly approximates a series >of circles, a spiral. Any fragment, segment, section of this curve can be >transformed into an independent, complete, straight line, which then (if >one does not see the forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of >clerical obsurantism (where it is anchored by the class interests of the >ruling-classes)..." Is this not exactly what SWORD has done? They have >taken a single statement by Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above >a fragment of information taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of >clerical obscurantism in ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed >into EXCALIBUR and cleanses the movement of Infidels... The second issue >constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of First Baptist Church. >Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs to be defended even >under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor Soaries as a political >leader. His choice of religion and church are a private matter which has >nothing to do with political organizing. Finally, the joke of the new >millenium is the constant repitition of the slogan: "Unite, don't split" >and the references made to Weimar Germany. SWORD's attacks on Curtis are >exactly the type of thing that Baraka is warning against when he brings up >Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German Government after WW1 and >pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of Communist and liberals to >unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite their pleas for unity >SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking allies within the >united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the trots did in Spain >which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not our enemy to treat >him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with revolution, >Marxism, or working class power. Take Care, Keith > >_________________________________________________________________ Get your >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
college ave student center 2nd flr. lounge thursday 7pm 22 march larry hamm from POP & minister lennie mohammed from trenton nation of islam will provide detailed answers to all questions. meeting will work to organize campus forum - 4 april and to raise activity towards march on trenton. all are encouraged and needed to come and take on some tasks. joe 586 5535
spoof you frank. joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., FBRIGHT123@a... wrote: > > > Kristina, > > You should be clear that your posting was refering to a spoof. A few people > have suggested that it appears as if you sent it as a real news report when > it is from the NYT OP-ED. > > Frank > > > Kristina's text follows below: > > just so you know.. > > Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director > Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme > for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises > Again." > > from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara!
know what? and not to wake up mark...the more i think about it the less i can remember the coalition doing in the last 2 or so years. after fliering cop shot cop, which marshall & chinchilla have not been convicted for yet, i can't place anything. matt, why do you defend republicans and in replace attack and split with activists and revolutionaries? there have been people thrown out of peoples' campaign that haven't signed criticism letter of curtis/peoples' campaign. keith, where IN THE WORLD was activist el curtis during neal's campaign? joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Joe wrote: > "there is an exact connection between the development of soaries with the > police murder of shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn > adams. can you tell me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was > killed? can you further explain to me why at coalition against police > brutality meetings nothing else has been done outside of adams murder?" > > > Joe's statement here really drags this dispute to a new level of absurdity > and does more to undermine the credibility of BOL/SWORD's callous, dogmatic, > devisive charges against Curtis than I thought was possible. In order to > substantiate this hole that they've dug themselves into, Joe has now > resorted to discrediteding Curtis by way of discrediting the entire history > of the New Brunswick Coalition Against Police Brutality. First off, to > question where Curtis was before Sissy Adams was murdered by the NBPD is > tantamount to betrayal of the role of an organizer, especially one who > considers himself a revolutionary...Isn't it part of our role to lead the > spontaneous upsurge caused by anticipated crisis (in this case, police > brutality & Adams murder) & to seek out the "advanced" from the people? To > attack Curtis for stepping up to as a force in organizing his community, > building the Coalition and as a consistant support for the greeving Adams > family, is not only betrayal, but when this comes from a white, suburban > bred settler in a community of poor, opressed nationalities, it really comes > tinged with a subtle, but deep rooted chauvinism. > > As for this incredible charge that the Coalition did nothing for years but > work on the Adams case (I guess this is to say that Curtis manipulated us > all that time to serve his own dasturdly ends as an > "imperialist running dog" !!), here is a partial list of our campaigns: > > * Organized protests in the wake of the Adams murder, forced killer cop > Consalvo off the force and out of town. Upkept the Memorial Tree till this > date, a broadly recognized symbol of popular resistance. > > * Organized for 3 years to "Free the NB Three"--Omar Auten & Co.; Ultimately > got charges dropped, and used the opportunity to bring wide public exposure > to terrorist Sgt "Craterface" Millroy. > > * Organized wide public exposure of NBPD/Somerset PD/County Sheriff Office > break-ins & attacks on residences in Rutgers Village > > * Organized wide public exposure of HUD sanctioned NBPD break-ins at NB > Homes. > > * Organized wide public exposure of Marshal/Chincilla shooting & retirement > scheme, bringing first broad public scrutiny of prostitution houses through > prees conferences, flyering etc. (contrary to Joe's strange assertions that > we did nothing & BOL/SWORD's self-aggrandazing that they single-handedly > brought convictions against Marshall & Chincilla.) > > * Organized "Know Your Rights" public education campaigns throughout the NB > neighborhoods for several years. > > * Organized still incomplete "Right to Know" lawsuit to gain access to > internal police files > > * Organized campaigns to promote the cause for community control over the > police, and community police review control board locally, & statewide. > > * Organized against Racist Profiling statewide in the wake of the > Hogan/Kenna turnpike shootings. > > * etc, etc. > > I could go on, but the point is that the work of the NBCAPB is a critical > legacy of popular resistance, building unity & encouraging struggle in NB. > Some of the closest allies the the Peoples' Campaign had in the community > were a result of the years of work by the Coalition and people like Curtis. > To attack this legacy in order to prop up BOL/SWORD's dogmatic, puritanical > crusade against Curtis is opportunistic at best, and worse, it threatens > more still to create divisions where they need not be and totally betrays > their own demands to "Unite, Don't Split". > > > Finally, this: Joe wrote: "samantha prince had been attending coalition > meetings for a long while, and every plan of action she suggested was > co-opted by warren with long discussion only about adams." > > Now, in my years with the Coalition, I witnessed Curtis & Samantha in a > great, productive, & mutually respectful working relationship. I can't > speak for her, but what I saw was that she actually distanced herself from > BOL during the City Council Race because she was embarassed by their attacks > on Curtis, attacks that have continued in the most unprincipled manor, in > the name of revolutionary principles, and in the most divisive way, in the > name of Unity. Same shit. > > Hey, Joe- Take it easy...take a breath...this ain't happening...you're > causing far more people to keep to keep their distance than would otherwise > want to work with you. Why dig the hole deeper? BOL/SWORD has had some > very valid criticisms of the PC & NJFO that could & should be discussed, but > that is getting obscured in this, & it severely undermines your credibility > & as Curtis said, while you attack him "your real enemy is closing in on > you." > > Matthew > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "joseph smith" > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: Re: [nbpc] Portrait of a Meta-Physician > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:50:27 -0500 > keith in 1st paragraph, "SWORD makes unity impossible", and in last > sentence, "to treat him like the enemy is trotskyism", when was it enacted > by the reds that unity with trotsky was immpossible? > you cannot put it on SWORD that we organize splits, because as much as you > wanna scream that we attacked curtis and we're so stupid, SWORD has never > moved to expel warren, or anyone else from peoples' campaign. and check you > out attempting to drive a wedge between sword and the adams family, explain > that one. > i'm having a hard time understanding that your message is attemping to > define that SWORD cannot be worked with on any basis because of our exposure > of el curtis. why don't you take your arguement to the people and see that > everybody on the street that knows soaries will tell you that he is a > sell-out! not a religous leader... furthermore, curtis is not just a member > of 1st baptist, he is employed by soaries and, simply put, an aspiring > protege of soaries. > let us discuss the world we live in, as you suggest. there is an exact > connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of > shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell > me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further > explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing > else has been done outside of adams murder? roughly five years and a whole > police running whore houses scam later (let alone racist profiling). > samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and > every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long > discussion only about adams. and nothing has been done in five years. what a > champion of the working class. > i won't even mention that el curtis sabatoged our event to commemorate the > 10 year mark of the police murder of shaun potts last summer by tearing down > our literature so as not to let word be spread around 1st baptist. hhmmm... > maybe you would like to explain why warren, "who has the right to practice > religion and is just a member of 1st baptist and is the most dedicated > working class activist in new brunswick", is an active member of the > republican party? > maybe you would like to explain why you yourself are an active member of the > republican party. > maybe you would like to explain how such "a single comment to the home news" > even came about to begin with? where does the commentS, "WE are not here to > tear down any political machine, WE are just here to try to do better" and > that "WE are (ready and) willing to work with the corporations in new > brunswick...", come from? do those commentS come from a dedicated working > class activist? where does that thought pattern come from, working class or > betrayal class? WE is not me. > why has njfo never criticized the commentS at all, like they are part of > your program also. those comments slander the peoples' campaign platform of > which i have never violated. and also i have never been able to petition the > general body about my expulsion led by xavier and enacted by the steering > committee. > curtis has never advocated soaries as a political leader you say. maybe, but > the problem is it that el curtis associates himself at all with developing > nazis. also the problem is that curtis has never spoken against sucker and > his right wing agenda and for someone that is that close to him, not to > condemn is only to embrace regardless if he stated it, that is the way the > WORLD works. > why does sucker hold hostage the over 1/2 million $$ already released by the > state to crossroads threatre? does that not attack black working class > culture, where is "working class activist curtis" to defend the threatre? > the ultimate error with you and your relationship with curtis is that rather > than organize the community, you latch on to someone that serves your > immediate purposes. problem is, you're being used. and that is what leads > and led to the rise of fascism. the so called communists/revolutionaries > surrendered their platforms to the right wing elements, and in turn dug the > graves for the masses of people. that is what you are doing know by not > even putting forward your position on the selection of bright, of which i > shouldn't even have to ask. > sword will unite with liberals, not republicans and those that aspire to > sell-out, you can have 'em. problem is, platform of community control has > lost. > joe > >From: "Keith Joseph" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To: > >nbpeoplescampaign@y... CC: njfo@y... Subject: [nbpc] > >Portrait of a Meta-Physician Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:47 -0000 > > > >SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and > >working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous > >attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity > >and make unity impossible. The essence of Marxism is materialist > >dialectics. The opposite of dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics > >ackowledges the world in its multi-sided complexity and continous change, > >development and transformation. Meta-physics sees the world (and in the > >case at hand individuals) as static, one-sided and eternally the same. > >SWORD's position on Curtis is a case study of meta-physical thinking taken > >to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among the most dedicated > >working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven himself and his > >commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over again. SWORD just > >like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for maintaining the > >memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on Powers St. Not only > >are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they are an insult to the > >entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick. The tree is a real > >symbol of working class resistance. SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for > >two things. First for a single comment he made to the Home News reporter > >and secondly for being a member of First Baptist Church where Buster > >Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore all of Curtis's practice and > >statements and focus in a single statement obviously has nothing to do with > >Marxism or dialectics, or even semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that > >matter. It is the meta-physical thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young > >Catholic boys and girls. A lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a > >single unforgivable sin etc. etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin > >explains this type of thinking: "...Human knowledge is not (or does not > >follow) a straight line, but a curve, which endlessly approximates a series > >of circles, a spiral. Any fragment, segment, section of this curve can be > >transformed into an independent, complete, straight line, which then (if > >one does not see the forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of > >clerical obsurantism (where it is anchored by the class interests of the > >ruling-classes)..." Is this not exactly what SWORD has done? They have > >taken a single statement by Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above > >a fragment of information taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of > >clerical obscurantism in ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed > >into EXCALIBUR and cleanses the movement of Infidels... The second issue > >constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of First Baptist Church. > >Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs to be defended even > >under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor Soaries as a political > >leader. His choice of religion and church are a private matter which has > >nothing to do with political organizing. Finally, the joke of the new > >millenium is the constant repitition of the slogan: "Unite, don't split" > >and the references made to Weimar Germany. SWORD's attacks on Curtis are > >exactly the type of thing that Baraka is warning against when he brings up > >Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German Government after WW1 and > >pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of Communist and liberals to > >unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite their pleas for unity > >SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking allies within the > >united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the trots did in Spain > >which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not our enemy to treat > >him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with revolution, > >Marxism, or working class power. Take Care, Keith > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > Your use of Yahoo! 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For everyone's information.... 40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office; appointments; disclosure requirements; removal a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms of five years and until their respective successors have been appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years, one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90 days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive, governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for the unexpired term. In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the effective date of this act shall continue in office until the expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in accordance with the terms of this act. b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no municipality within that county shall create an authority without the consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority. c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto. d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number. The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its secretary. e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest, direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any property included or planned to be included in a housing project he shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority. Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the county or municipality. Amended by L.1993, c. 344, 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993.
hey bright, how can you claim to represent the people when you thief their position? curtis, how can you support a thief - which again you violate peoples' campaign platform? do members of the peoples' campaign/new brunswick have a position on the selection of bright which is in violation of federal law? community control over housing! republicans in the garbage can! joe >For everyone's information.... > > >40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office; >appointments; disclosure requirements; removal > > > a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the >governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by >resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for >the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be >known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the >county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and >instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing >authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local >Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et >seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that >operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional >County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six >members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice >and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall >be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other >counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the >governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one >by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or >in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen >freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the >county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the >Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms >of five years and until their respective successors have been >appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first >appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of >one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years, >one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All >appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by >the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies >shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were >made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the >county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90 >days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the >Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive, >governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the >vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled >within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for >the unexpired term. > In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing >authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who >were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer >of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the >effective date of this act shall continue in office until the >expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in >accordance with the terms of this act. > b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within >the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter >create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing >authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing >body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no >municipality within that county shall create an authority without the >consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority. > c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as >it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such >programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of >a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a >resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto. > d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer >or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is >created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any >member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the >county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive >evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member >of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but >shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily >incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including >travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the >members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall >constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting >its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action >may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the >majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in >any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number. >The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among >its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its >secretary. > >e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest, >direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property >included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he >have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed >contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in >connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an >authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any >property included or planned to be included in a housing project he >shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and >the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority. >Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in >office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such >a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority >affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is >required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office >a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or >officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only >after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior >to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in >person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an >authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and >findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the >county or municipality. > >Amended by L.1993, c. 344, � 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
meeting to organize election of public housing resident to housing authority. saturday afternoon in projects. more details coming. all pressure must be put on city council tomorrow 7:00 pm city hall. we must demand that they comply with election and hold them responsible for their part on the selection of bright. contact joe smith 586.5535 can_bush@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Please segment out the area that you feel Frank Bright is in violation of.
I read it through twice and could not find the part where it says "They must
be a resident of public housing to be on the board"?
Just for mention-sake, the latest "effective" date on the email is 1993,
nothing specifically regarding anything in 1999, let alone a new regulation.
Erric Z.
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Subject: [nbpc] STATE LAW ON APPOINTMENT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSIONERS
For everyone's information....
40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office;
appointments; disclosure requirements; removal
a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the
governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by
resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for
the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be
known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the
county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and
instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing
authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local
Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et
seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that
operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional
County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six
members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice
and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall
be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other
counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the
governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one
by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or
in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen
freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the
county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the
Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms
of five years and until their respective successors have been
appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first
appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of
one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years,
one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All
appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by
the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies
shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were
made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the
county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90
days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the
Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive,
governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the
vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled
within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for
the unexpired term.
In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing
authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who
were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer
of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the
effective date of this act shall continue in office until the
expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in
accordance with the terms of this act.
b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within
the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter
create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing
authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing
body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no
municipality within that county shall create an authority without the
consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority.
c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as
it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such
programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of
a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a
resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto.
d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer
or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is
created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any
member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the
county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive
evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member
of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but
shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily
incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including
travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the
members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall
constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting
its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action
may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the
majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in
any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number.
The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among
its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its
secretary.
e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest,
direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property
included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he
have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed
contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in
connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an
authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any
property included or planned to be included in a housing project he
shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and
the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority.
Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in
office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such
a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority
affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is
required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office
a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or
officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only
after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior
to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in
person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an
authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and
findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the
county or municipality.
Amended by L.1993, c. 344, 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993.
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135 Throop Avenue, New Brunswick,
NJ 08901
E-Mail: NB_CC_TF_@yahoogroups.com
Tel. (732) 745-2602
March 15, 2001
The New Brunswick Community Center Task Force was formed with the vision of
creating a world class
community center with Olympic size swimming pools open to all residents of
the City of New
Brunswick. We believe this community center will complement the impressive
development in the
downtown area and make our city not just a nice place to work in, but also a
very nice place to
live in.
Our mission will be to reach out to other community organizations and with
their assistance empower
the community to make this dream a reality.
As a precursor to the Community Center we will explore the concept of a
"Community Center Without
Walls" as envisioned by Morris Kafka, President of the Second Ward
Neighborhood Block Club.
This "Center Without Walls" can bring together the local organizations that
are offering various
opportunities, such as: computer and literacy skills, gardening, mural
painting, etc. It could also
help scheduling, provide publicity and networking between the various groups
and our residents.
We hope to create and circulate a monthly master calendar with all the
upcoming events and
organizational information. We also hope to maintain a web site with this
information. This will be
done in cooperation with existing publications and web sites
To demonstrate tangible community support and raise seed money for the
Community Center Project, we
will proceed as follows:
a.Ask the residents who live on Commercial Avenue to sign a petition
requesting that the City
Council change the name of Commercial Avenue to Paul Robeson Avenue and
reserve a space on each
corner of the avenue for a plaque.
b.We intend to dedicate plaques on Paul Robeson Avenue to honor the memory
of prominent deceased
members of this community.
c.As of this date we have received the following names of prominent
deceased members of the
community: Ivory Braswell, Dr. Eric Chandler, Rev. Joe Clark, James
Cook, Sr., Fr. Crupi,
Richard Garell, James P. Johnson, Earline Jones, Rev. James Kirk, Dr.
Lewis, Cumi Manderville,
Robert Mitchell, Willie Ratliff, Goldie Thomas, Brian Van Liew, Esther
Washington, and Rev.
Marcus Williams. Other names are welcome.
d.Before dedicating a plaque in honor of a deceased member of the
community, we intend to ask for
an as yet undecided number of signatures and a donation of at least
$5.00 with each signature.
These donations will be deposited in a Community Center Development
Fund.
e.Through this project, we hope to raise a minimum of $40,000.00 for the
Community Center
Development Fund and demonstrate, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that
the community supports the
vision of a world class Community Center with Olympic size swimming
pools in New Brunswick.
We also need letters of support from community organizations. Please ensure
that the organizations
to which you belong send us letters of support.
Our next meeting will be on March 27th, meetings start at 6:30 P.M. on the
last Tuesday in each
month at 116 Livingston Avenue, between Suydam St. and Townsend St. Please
attend and bring someone
with you.
Joseph Mosley.
For the Community Center Task Force
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This statute contains the requirement for board membership by a resident. 42 U.S.C. � 1437 (b) Public housing agency organization (1) Required membership Except as provided in paragraph (2), the membership of the board of directors or similar governing body of each public housing agency shall contain not less than 1 member-- (A) who is directly assisted by the public housing agency; and (B) who may, if provided for in the public housing agency plan, be elected by the residents directly assisted by the public housing agency. >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] STATE LAW ON APPOINTMENT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY >COMMISSIONERS >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:05:45 -0500 > >Please segment out the area that you feel Frank Bright is in violation of. >I read it through twice and could not find the part where it says "They >must >be a resident of public housing to be on the board"? > >Just for mention-sake, the latest "effective" date on the email is 1993, >nothing specifically regarding anything in 1999, let alone a new >regulation. > > >Erric Z. > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Groovemeister007@... [mailto:Groovemeister007@...] >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:42 PM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] STATE LAW ON APPOINTMENT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSIONERS > > > For everyone's information.... > > > 40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office; > appointments; disclosure requirements; removal > > > a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the > governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by > resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for > the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be > known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the > county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and > instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing > authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local > Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et > seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that > operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional > County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six > members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice > and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall > be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other > counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the > governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one > by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or > in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen > freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the > county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the > Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms > of five years and until their respective successors have been > appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first > appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of > one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years, > one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All > appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by > the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies > shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were > made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the > county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90 > days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the > Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive, > governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the > vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled > within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for > the unexpired term. > In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing > authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who > were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer > of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the > effective date of this act shall continue in office until the > expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in > accordance with the terms of this act. > b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within > the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter > create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing > authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing > body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no > municipality within that county shall create an authority without the > consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority. > c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as > it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such > programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of > a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a > resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto. > d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer > or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is > created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any > member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the > county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive > evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member > of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but > shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily > incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including > travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the > members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall > constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting > its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action > may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the > majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in > any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number. > The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among > its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its > secretary. > > e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest, > direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property > included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he > have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed > contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in > connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an > authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any > property included or planned to be included in a housing project he > shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and > the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority. > Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in > office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such > a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority > affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is > required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office > a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or > officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only > after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior > to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in > person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an > authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and > findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the > county or municipality. > > Amended by L.1993, c. 344, � 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Erric: There must be a person "directly assisted" by the housing authority on its board, pursuant to 42 U.S.C. 1437(b)(1). That federal requirement took effect in October 1998. Note that such resident "may" but is not required to be elected by the residents. The elected-or-not question, by virtue of the same statute, must be addressed in the public housing agency plan for New Brunswick. However, I do not know what that plan says and it ought to be consulted. You are correct in pointing out that the state law on the subject, N.J.S.A. 40A:12A-17 does not contain a requirement that a person "directly assisted" by the housing authority serve on its board. That law was last amended in 1993. However, since federal law trumps state law pursuant to article VI of the U.S. Constitution, the federal law controls. The open question is how to bring the federal requirement within the framework of the state statute. The NB City Council has heretofore disclaimed any responsibility to use one of its five appointments to appoint the member required by federal law. But I have not seen any legal reasoning justifying their position. Thus, it could be argued that the city council has failed to obey the federal mandate.
1st we shd state that there is no place within the peoples' democratic
united front against imperialism for republicans.
2nd we should recognize that petty bourgeois opportunism confused
(denied) the differences between the democrats & republicans in the
presidential election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate
(Bush2) seizing power. A defeat for the people, at the hands of
"progressives". The road to hell is paved w/ good intentions.
Locally, we must acknowledge that the Peoples' Campaign's opportunism
confused (ignored) the difference between the democrats & republicans
in the council election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate
(FBushNB)seizing power. A defeat for the people, at the hands of
"progressives".
The Peoples' Campaign/ NJFO ("for revolutionary democracy &
socialism"), take no responsibility for this. Instead, hurl insults
at their critics.
The PC/NJFO puts forward the position that the peoples' primary enemy
in New Brunswick is the local Democratic political machine. This view
is devoid of any class analysis, regardless the claims to marxism of
its defenders. The Republican polical machine puts forward the EXACT
SAME POSITION, as it does nationally.
The Republican position is that the Democrats are corrupt &
inefficient. Gov't oversight, review, open books, anti-corruption,
know yr rights, memorials(MLK...), fairness, "equality",
anti-brutality &c., all fit within the Republican (stated) program as
against the Democrats. In this way, the Republicans manipulate popular
dicontent with Democratic imperial sloppiness (Clinton, TedKennedy,
Cahill...), to replace w/ their more streamlined, "compassionate"
corporationism. They're not here to tear down the political machine,
just to do better.
The critics on the right do not fear abstract reformism. The
Republicans put Nadir in their anti-Gore ads!
The Republicans also put the Peoples' Campaign in their anti-Cahill
progam. Because the PC made no anti-imperialist, clear, working-class
(peoples') position. Only Seize Power From Cahill! "Community" is
ambiguous. Bush promotes the "Peoples' Budget"! Republicans were
embraced into the highest positions of the PC, boosting their minority
position in NB. They & J&J both are eager to oust the clumsy
Democrats.
NB Republican Party Chair FB played the PC well. His anti-Marxist,
anti-worker position was open & clear. Yet he maintains official good
standing in the PC (certain individual bad feelings aside). His most
public defenders come from w/in the PC at its highest levels, from its
most respected leaders, who themselves REGISTERED AS REPUBLICANS!
Why? to chase "office dreams", instead of peoples' organization.
The PC/NJFO minimizes (criminally) the relationship of the Republican
Secratary of State (DS) to the people of NJ & NB. DS is a fascist
operative. His entire role is to cover racist profiling brutality,
the open, state terror of imperialist dictatorship. Regardless of his
"religious" trappings (speaking of "clerical obscurantism" & "missing
Deforest for the trees"!), any affiliation to him is political, and
especially so when that affiliation comes from another political
figure, like an area council candidate! Where is the demand that DS
release the $500,000 appropriated by the state legislature to
Crossroads Theater? Where the demand that DS retract his official
defense of Attorney General (now SCJustice!) Peter ("racist profiling
didn't exist before 4/'98") Verniero?
DS' love-fest w/ Bush2 & DiFransesco last week is testament to local
Republican insurgency. & responsibility falls squarely on the PC
"Republican Revolution".
Peoples' war on the right! We also "zero in", curtis.
Go Frank Go Frank (& his Republican defenders) in the garbage can!
NJ--Racial Profiling-Glance
The Associated Press
3/20/01 8:48 PM
The Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday continued
hearings into the state's response to charges that
state
police troopers practiced racial profiling.
The following is a list of witnesses that appeared
Tuesday
and a summary of their testimony on racial profiling:
--John Fahy, assistant attorney general: Former
Attorney
General Peter G. Verniero worked to avoid an
"investigation" by federal authorities. "He thought
that that
word had a negative connotation," Fahy testified. "He
was
afraid it would reflect adversely on our state and the
administration."
--George Rover, deputy attorney general: State police
Sgt.
Thomas Gilbert gave him reports that showed black and
Hispanic drivers were stopped and searched more than
whites. Verniero's deputies told Rover not to send any
information to the U.S. Justice Department unless he
cleared it with them. Some officials told Rover to
delay
sending some of Gilbert's reports to Washington.
--Carl Williams, former state police superintendent:
In his
five years as head of the agency, no one asked him
about
racial profiling. Williams also testified that federal
authorities sent "mixed messages" about drug
enforcement. The Drug Enforcement Agency encouraged
troopers to stop people on the New Jersey Turnpike,
but
the Justice Department's civil rights division forced
them to
stop, Williams said.
--Albert Sacchetti, state police lieutenant: Described
for
lawmakers his 30-man task force investigating whether
troopers on the turnpike had falsified records to
conceal
racial profiling. Sacchetti said the work was abruptly
suspended after the April 1999 interim report and the
indictment of Troopers John Hogan and James Kenna for
falsifying records. The squad had identified 159
troopers
who had committed at least administrative violations.
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This material ma
Witnesses say Verniero was
well aware of profiling
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
3/20/01 7:50 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey's former attorney
general knew racial profiling was a problem long
before he
admitted it publicly and even tried to avoid a federal
investigation because it would damage the state's
reputation, witnesses said Tuesday.
Peter G. Verniero was again the focus of nearly all
the
testimony before a Senate committee investigating
racial
profiling.
Through two days of hearings, the Senate Judiciary
Committee has questioned current and former state
police
officers as well as two of Verniero's deputies who
oversaw
an internal inquiry into profiling.
Now a Supreme Court justice, Verniero is expected to
testify next week and is listed as the committee's
final
witness.
Verniero knew of concerns that state police were
targeting
minority drivers as early as December 1996, according
to
Tuesday's testimony.
In a meeting with state police officers and his
deputies,
Verniero was briefed on several court actions
involving
accusations of profiling and the possibility that the
U.S.
Justice Department would launch its own investigation.
Verniero was adamant that he would not allow a federal
investigation and planned to visit Justice Department
officials to make amends, Assistant Attorney General
John
Fahy testified.
"He thought that that word had a negative
connotation,"
Fahy said. "He was afraid it would reflect adversely
on our
state and the administration."
Although Fahy did not provide detailed statistics that
showed state police targeted minorities more than
whites,
he said Verniero was aware racial profiling was a
problem.
"Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see we
had a history and if you're going down to Washington
it's a
big issue," Fahy said.
At a May 1997 meeting, Verniero promised to do all he
could to avoid a court order giving the Justice
Department
control of the state police, former superintendent
Carl
Williams said. Williams was fired after he linked
minorities
to drug trafficking in a February 1999 newspaper
interview.
"It was the consensus that the attorney general and
the
state police would do everything they could to avoid
signing
a consent decree with the Justice Department,"
Williams
testified. "I was happy."
Alexander Waugh -- Verniero's former executive
assistant
and now a Superior Court judge -- would later tell a
deputy
attorney general to withhold key documents from
federal
investigators, witnesses said.
Assistant Attorney General George Rover testified that
he
collected state police studies that showed minorities
were
stopped and searched more than whites at alarming
rates
-- sometimes as high as 94 percent.
Rover thought the Justice Department should have
access
to reports like that, but he was ordered not to turn
anything
over unless he had permission from Waugh, Rover
testified.
"He told me to hold onto it and he would get back to
me,"
Rover testified.
Another federal request came in December 1998. This
time
Waugh's replacement, David Hespe, had a similar order,
Rover said.
"Don't turn it over. Get back to Justice and say that
we are
looking and let me know if they ask again," Rover
recalled
was his order from Hespe.
Verniero did not publicly admit racial profiling --
the
practice in which police make motor vehicle stops
based
on drivers' race -- until April 1999.
That came in a report issued a year after two troopers
fired
shots at a van stopped for speeding on the New Jersey
Turnpike. Three of the four men inside -- all unarmed
and
all minorities -- were wounded. The white troopers
have
said they fired in self-defense, thinking the van's
driver was
trying to run them over.
Verniero released that report the day after announcing
an
indictment against the two troopers in the shooting.
Witnesses testified Monday that Verniero rushed to
release that report because the Justice Department
planned a civil rights lawsuit.
Witnesses on both days said the attorney general's
office
had access to state police studies that began in 1996.
Sgt. Thomas Gilbert studied the problem for at least
three
years. His records -- all of which he made available
to the
attorney general's office -- showed minority motorists
accounted for 89 percent of people searched by state
troopers assigned to the Moorestown barracks in 1994
and
1995.
Another study of troopers at the Cranbury barracks in
1994
reportedly showed minorities accounted for 94 percent
of
all searches. A later study of trooper searches of
suspects
from July to December 1996 put that figure at 79
percent.
Verniero reportedly had access to information like
that,
witnesses said.
But it wasn't until the April 1998 shooting that he
realized
profiling was a problem and needed study, Verniero
said at
his 1999 Supreme Court confirmation hearing.
"As I say, the allegations of profiling crystallized
in my
mind around the time of the turnpike case. That's when
we
began looking at data in a comprehensive way starting
with
the two barracks," Verniero said then.
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This material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
redistributed.
This is a message I sent to Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! crew. This
followed an email exchange I had with one of their producers. I think we can
do more outreach based on this model. Check it out--Paul
Dear Kris Abrams and the Democracy Now! crew,
We corresponded on March 8th after Democracy Now! played a recording of
Assata Shakur talking about the prison-industrial complex. I emailed you
right after the show and asked if I could replay the recording at a poetry
event that I work on.
Kris emailed me back and said that would be fine. She also wrote that if we
have stuff worth covering in New Brunswick, then she wants to hear about it.
So I sent Kris the following email to her account. I wanted to resend the
message to the democracy now! email acct.
I explained that Assata Shakur is a local hero where I live, in New
Brunswick, NJ, and that many people I know have languished in the jails and
prisons where Assata was illegal held. The Assata recording really resonates
with what we do in New Brunswick. I thought that Democracy Now! might be
interested in checking out the New Brunswick scene.
We have a vibrant activist community in New Brunswick, and one of the
feature events we do is called Arthouse. Arthouse is a poetry, music and
performance art event which features local and regional talent and
encourages people to make their own art in the name of progressive issues
and freedom. Basically, we say everyone has a voice and they need to use it
to fight for their rights and for the collective advancement of the
majority.
Here's my original message:
Dear Kris,
Again I want to thank you for your email. I want to bring up what we do
in
New Brunswick. There is a long history of activism in many ideological
traditions in New Brunswick. We're home to Rutgers U., the state school
of
NJ. During the 60s, students sat in the univ. pres's office to protest
the
Vietnam War. During the 80s, large groups moved for divestment in South
Africa and against the violence in Central America. In the 90s,
students
mobilized to take back campus space for women and fight against a racist
Rutgers president.
New Brunswick is also the world hq of Johnson and Johnson, and the city
has
been characterized by slash and burn redevelopment in the years since
the
race riots of the sixties. The permanent residents are 85% black and
latino,
and suffer prolonged poverty, disenfranchisement and political
repression
dating back to the days of Jim Crow.
Following these trends, some longstanding activist groups came together
early
last year to create an agenda to reverse the climate of corporate
control and
political corruption that has long characterized this "Democrat" Party
town.
We formed the New Brunswick People's Campaign, comprised of longtime
residents and students who are black, white and latino. We developed a
platform around community control of local institutions and civil
rights. We
ran the most successful independent challenge to the Democrat Party
Machine
to date, and got 30% of the vote (despite severe repression, the most
successful independent ticket in the tri-State area) in the city council
campaign on our first try.
As the city council campaign grew, we developed Arthouse as an
independent
event meant to champion the need for space for people to express
themselves.
We held numerous events with poetry, hip hop, folk, a live band, and a
diverse crowd. The show has become one of the centerpieces of our
diverse
and growing activist community. We're fighting to liberate space in
which
people can speak for their rights and can express themselves
artistically to
each other.
We think our work represents a model which needs to be broadcast to
people
all over the country in this age of privatization and rollbacks of
rights. I
want to invite you and a sound crew to the April Arthouse, where we'll
spray
all kinds of expression related to the movement we're trying to build.
I
hope to hear from you soon.
Yours, Paul McGee
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Graffiti on walkway offends students
Signs of the swastika and insulting statements give rise to concern
By Melissa Hayes
Staff Writer
Phrases such as
"The best society is a patriarchal society," and "Abortion is cool,"
littered a
small portion of
the bicycle path located near Neilson Dining Hall on the Douglass
campus
yesterday.
The verses and
offensive pictures that demeaned women,
homosexuals and
other groups, were written in chalk on a
15-foot area of the
paved path that leads students from the
Neilson Dining Hall
on the Cook/Doulgass campus to
Hickman Hall and
the Douglass College Center.
Dina Schwartz, a
Doulgass College first-year student, spotted
the chalk writing
while leaving Neilson. "I noticed the swastika,
it kind of stood
out to me," Schwartz said recollecting what first
caught her eye. "It
really offended me," Schwartz, who
practices Judaism,
said.
Devorah Moses, a
Douglass College first-year student who saw
the chalkings along
with Schwartz, said she was very offended
by the markings.
"First I saw the
big word `Kike,' then I read what was written,
then I saw the
swastika," Moses said.
She said that the
two tried to rub the drawing away with their
feet, but failed in
their attempt. "We wanted to put water on it
because it was so
horrible," she said. "We stood there for like
five minutes trying
to get rid of it, the whole thing was bad, it was a dominatrix with a
swastika."
Moses said the
chalkings that offended religious groups were particularly offensive to
her.
"When you're joking
around about people's races and religions, it's not funny, it just
isn't
funny at all," she
said.
Yesterday was not
the first time that chalk drawings have been seen on the paths on the
Douglass campus.
Many groups in opposition of University policy frequently write
offensive messages
on the walks. In previous years, chalk drawings have been a regular
occurrence, but
they have been less frequent this year.
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including speech making for dole, working directly under guiliani...
Racial profiling hearings
place Chertoff on stage
03/19/01
BY MARY JO PATTERSON
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Michael Chertoff, former hard-as-nails federal prosecutor, master of
the withering cross-examination, and merciless extractor of facts, is
squirming in his chair. When the topic is Michael Chertoff and someone
else is doing the questioning, it turns out, he makes a very poor
witness.
"My childhood was . . . average. . . . Nothing stands out. It all kind
of blends into the murky past," he says in his raspy, slightly
high-pitched voice.
Pressed for more details, Chertoff reclines in the chair, dark eyes
briefly fixing on the ceiling of his 16th-floor office at One Newark
Center, then lets out a sound midway between a bleat and a laugh.
"I'll take the Fifth," he says.
It's a joke, but he's dead serious.
Chertoff, 47, is used to being the prober, not the man probed.
He is happier asking questions, as he'll do today when the state
Senate Judiciary Committee begins investigating how New Jersey's top
legal officials handled allegations of racial profiling by the State
Police. As special counsel to the committee, Chertoff will be front
and center, interrogating witnesses with his characteristic blend of
politesse and caustic precision.
Judging from depositions of witnesses already released, it could be
great theater.
"You know I hate to sound like I'm a real moron, but. . . . you're
beginning to do a great job of making me feel that way," New Jersey
Superior Court Judge Alexander Waugh Jr., formerly a high-ranking
executive in the state Attorney General's Office, told Chertoff Feb.
23, after hours of questioning.
"It's not what I'm looking to do," Chertoff responded politely.
Although it has been seven years since he stepped down as the United
States attorney for New Jersey, Chertoff continues to exude an air of
authority and rectitude. Despite defending people who've made mistakes
or broken the law, he is seen as occupying the highest moral ground.
Although he possesses impeccable Republican credentials, he's
considered above partisanship.
Last week, the White House nominated Chertoff to be assistant attorney
general of the criminal division of the U.S. Justice Department in
Washington. Insiders consider him a shoo-in. But first he must finish
the racial profiling hearings, a job he is doing free of charge -- and
is certain to savor.
It's hardly the first time since leaving government that he has
performed this kind of public service. In 1996, he spent months as
special counsel to the U.S. Senate Committee investigating Whitewater,
commuting between New Jersey and Washington. Last year, he ran an
investigation of the New Jersey Department of Corrections.
Some people say that Chertoff thrives, even feeds, on the limelight.
"I wouldn't say I like the limelight, but I guess I do like feeling
I'm where the action is," he said during an interview before being
nominated for the Justice Department position. "Definitely, I'm
attracted to feeling I'm part of something significant."
Yet, for a man so often in the public eye, he's managed to keep his
private life remarkably private.
Ask him who was the best man at his wedding in 1988, and his initial
reaction is to say he doesn't remember. Query him about his religious
beliefs -- Chertoff's father, now deceased, was a rabbi and officiated
at his wedding -- and he answers, "My religious and spiritual beliefs
are pretty much what I want them to be."
When it comes to discussing criminal or social justice issues,
however, Chertoff is famously verbose. And, to be fair, there are some
personal questions he will answer.
He and his wife, Meryl -- a fellow graduate of Harvard Law School and
part-time legislative counsel to Assemblyman Richard Bagger (R-Union)
-- live in Westfield with their two children, ages 7 and 10. They also
have a country house in Pennsylvania, where he likes to kayak. He is 5
feet 111/2 inches and weighs 165 pounds. A "semi-fanatic" runner, he
jogs at least 20 miles a week, hitting the street around 6 or
6:30 a.m. He tries to eat healthy but occasionally "falls off the
wagon."
He loves biography, history and true-crime books -- especially those
involving a former target or client. He is a big fan of HBO's hit show
"The Sopranos" and wishes they'd hire real people instead of actors so
he could make a cameo appearance as a prosecutor.
On the Justice Department job -- which would involve a financial hit
(it pays $125,700, surely less than he earns now) and a possible move
-- Chertoff is mum. Commenting before the confirmation process, he
says, would be wrong.
Chertoff's friends admit he is extremely guarded. But John J. Fahy, a
former assistant U.S. attorney and devoted friend, says Chertoff's
distant, often abrupt manner masks a warm and funny man.
"In the U.S. Attorney's Office, a lot of people were kind of
half-afraid of him. He was so bright, anticipated your questions and
got to the point so quickly, he was intimidating," said Fahy, now in
private practice in Newark.
Morristown lawyer Walter Timpone, another colleague from Chertoff's
U.S. attorney days, said Chertoff's demeanor is just a veneer.
"He has the ability to be razor-sharp and cut you off at the legs, but
the only time that will happen is in a professional setting. And
usually in a courtroom," he said.
Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, the only child of Rabbi Gershon
Chertoff and Livia Chertoff. The family later moved to Hillside.
His father, rabbi for a conservative synagogue, was active in civic
affairs and politically wired. Former Gov. Thomas Kean, who got to
know Rabbi Chertoff through a mutual friend, considered him a
spiritual adviser.
"He was just a very wise man, and a man of very deep conscience," said
Kean, who asked the rabbi to deliver the invocation at his
inauguration.
Chertoff's mother, who was born in Poland, lived in Palestine and
England before her marriage. A striking woman, she was an aspiring
actress who landed a few bit parts in films and worked as a stewardess
for El Al, the Israeli airline. Mrs. Chertoff, who died two years ago,
also ran an art gallery in Elizabeth.
Young Michael went to school at the Jewish Education Center in
Elizabeth. Later he attended the Pingry School, then a semi-exclusive,
all-boys private school in Hillside, where he was managing editor of
the school paper and wrote editorials. The school is now co-ed and
located in Martinsville.
During his junior year, Chertoff visited a friend of the family
studying at Harvard and decided that's where he should go to college,
too.
"I had a great time. I remember late-night poker playing; Boston,
which seemed a great place, and girls," he said. "And, the prestigious
degree."
Chertoff majored in history and spent one year at the London School of
Economics. The way he tells things, he was an unfocused young man who
"drifted" through college. Nonetheless, he graduated magna cum laude.
Then came law school, also at Harvard.
"I took my LSATs my senior year for want of anything else," Chertoff
said. "The next thing you know, I was going to law school. I loved
it."
He also worked at it, and became editor of the Harvard Law Review.
Chertoff was an argumentative and ambitious student, who served as the
inspiration for two characters in "One L," Scott Turow's fictionalized
memoir of first year at Harvard Law School. One of the characters in
the book participates in a two-day-long classroom argument with a
famously liberal law professor, as Chertoff himself rather famously
did.
After graduating from law school, Chertoff clerked for a federal
appeals court judge and for U.S. Supreme Court Justice William J.
Brennan. Then he joined a Washington, D.C., law firm.
After a few years there, Chertoff found himself wanting to try cases,
particularly criminal cases. He sent his rsum to the office of the
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, then the sexiest
crime-busting office in the country.
He was hired. It was 1983. His boss was Rudy Giuliani, the crusading
federal prosecutor. Chertoff launched his career as a dragon-slayer
with the famous "Commission" case in 1986, where he used the Racketeer
Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act to take down a slew of
mobsters.
Chertoff moved over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Newark as first
assistant the following year. By 1990, he headed the office. Unlike
his predecessors, he continued trying cases himself, putting away
mobsters, corrupt politicians and fraud artists.
Colleagues couldn't believe how deeply he immersed himself in his
work. Aides who complained that he was rude or didn't return their
hello when he passed them in the hall were told that he was just too
absorbed to see or hear them.
Chertoff admits his driven, obsessive attention to task.
"When I'm in the middle of trying a case," he says, "you could pretty
much set off a bomb in the courtroom and I wouldn't even know it."
Remarkably, Chertoff hung onto the job after President Bill Clinton's
election, despite the new administration's dismissal of holdovers.
According to the New Jersey Law Journal, he was the first U.S.
attorney to survive a change in party since 1933.
After stepping down in 1994, Chertoff rejoined the law firm of Latham
& Watkins, where he'd worked after law school. A year later, he was
tapped to be independent counsel in the Whitewater hearings, a
position that gave him huge visibility. He was a sought-after
newsmaker.
In 1996, he stepped out the prosecutor role and went on the stump for
presidential candidate Bob Dole. At a rally in Lyndhurst, newspapers
reported, he held aloft a Dole-Kemp sign and gave a spirited speech
denouncing Clinton.
Today, Chertoff disputes the part about holding up the sign.
"I was getting a signed autograph for my kids," he corrected. But he
acknowledged having made a speech -- and laughed at the memory,
seeming to wince slightly. "As a private citizen, you do have the
luxury of expressing yourself. It's the only time I ever went out on
the stump. I obviously liked Dole, whom I knew personally, and I had a
very poor opinion about the ethical standards of the Clinton
administration," he said.
Chertoff and his wife also contributed money to Republicans. They
included James Treffinger, the Essex County executive for whom he
worked on a variety of jobs; Alfonse D'Amato, the senator from New
York who presided over the Whitewater hearings; and state Sen. William
Gormley (R-Atlantic), chairman of the state Senate's Judiciary
Committee.
Being identified with a party and making political contributions are
necessary, said his friend and colleague Fahy, a politically active
Democrat.
"If you want to do public service, and you want to get special
assignments, you have to be aligned with a party," Fahy said. "You
need the badges."
Many ex-prosecutors who become defense attorneys end up as private
prosecutors, conducting internal investigations for companies.
Chertoff did his share of that kind of work, often for big national
clients.
But he also took cases where he had to defend individual clients
accused of wrongdoing. Those cases opened his eyes to human frailties,
he said, and -- in some cases -- to prosecutorial misconduct.
"I have seen some excellent prosecutors, and others, I was surprised
to see, who were not so good," Chertoff said. "I saw tactics, where a
prosecutor did not indict an individual, but brought up their name in
another proceeding, defaming the individual," he added. "That's a
mugging."
Chertoff has chalked up some big wins.
He successfully defended Michael Francis, the former chairman of the
New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority and a one-time fund-raiser
for former Gov. Christie Whitman. Chertoff deftly neutralized the
state's central witness by demonstrating that her testimony was
tainted, getting a judge to toss the case.
But there have also been losses.
One occurred in December, when a jury convicted his client, former Lt.
Thomas Smith, one of five Orange cops accused of civil rights
violations in the death of a prisoner, Earl Faison.
That's how it goes when you're a defense attorney, said Jack
Arseneault, a veteran criminal trial attorney in Chatham.
"As a prosecutor, it's easy to be a winner. For a defense lawyer, it's
a very different proposition," he said. "Mike is certainly an
accomplished attorney, and I hold him in high regard. But he's as
fallible as anyone else."
to all, i am working to recruit organizations for the march on trenton to defeat racist profiling. below are current sponsors. please go to your organizations and request that they too sign on and get back to me. there is a meeting tomorrow in the college ave student center 2nd flr. lounge at 7:00pm any questions can be addressed. come and provide resources for this march. larry hamm and minister lennie mohammed will attend to provide details for what in needed and to answer any questions. joe 586 5535 >From: Unslaved@... To: CAN_BUSH@... Subject: LIST OF SPONSORS FOR THE MARCH ON TRENTON Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:43:05 EST JOE- AS OF MARCH 9, 2001, THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ARE SOME OF THE SPONSORS OF THE MARCH ON TRENTON: PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS, NEW JERSEY STATE CONFERENCE OF NAACP BRANCHES, BLACK MINISTERS' COUNCIL OF NJ, TRENTON BRANCH NAACP, NJ BLACK ISSUES CONVENTION, NJ MILLION FAMILY MARCH COALITION, BLACK COPS AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, CWA LOCAL 1033, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 44, TRENTON MILLION MAN MARCH COALITION, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 25, SAVE OUR CHILDREN, IMANI CHURCH, HOPEWELL ANTI-RACIST, CAMDEN LOGISTICAL ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE, TRENTON VICTORY ANGLES, STUDENT/WORKER ORGANIZATION FOR REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY, COMMITTEE TO DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING, SISTERHOOD & STRUGGLE, AND CHAIN BREAKERS DOUGLASS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Court to hear argument over racist
church's status
By CHRISTOPHER WILLS
The Associated Press
3/21/01 3:00 PM
SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) -- No one questions that
the World Church of the
Creator is a racist group that sells books like
"The White Man's Bible." No
one questions that a former member went on a
shooting spree and killed
two people, both minorities.
But is it a charity? That's what the state Supreme
Court must decide.
Attorney General Jim Ryan argues it is, meaning it
should have registered
with the state and filed financial disclosure
forms. He wants to fine the
organization and bar it from further fund-raising
in Illinois.
"It's a statute that has been applied for 37
years," Assistant Attorney
General Mary Welsch said in court arguments
Wednesday.
The organization and its leader, Matt Hale,
maintain that the World
Church is not a charity and never had any
obligation to register. Hale
argues that the state law governing charities is
so vague it must be ruled
unconstitutional.
"The penalties for non-compliance -- purely for
guessing wrong about
what the statute means and failing to register --
are severe," Hale's
attorney Glenn Greenwald said Wednesday.
A county judge backed Hale and declared the law
unconstitutional in
February 2000.
"There is really no doubt but that Ryan brought
this silly lawsuit against us
in an effort to further his political career,"
Hale said in a statement.
Ryan sued the group in 1999, just days after a
former member, Benjamin
Smith, went on a shooting spree. Smith killed two
people and wounded
nine people -- all minorities -- before killing
himself.
Hale has called Smith a "friend and co-
religionist."
Ryan rejects the argument that the charity law is
too vague. He says it
has stood for 37 years and survived scrutiny by
other courts.
Hale says the law does not spell out what
constitutes a charity, giving the
attorney general arbitrary power to decide what
groups must register.
Hale contends that if the church can be punished
for not registering as a
charity, so could any group. His legal briefs
argue his organization clearly
is not a charity, but rather "an avowedly racist
and virulently anti-Semitic
group."
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights
reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or
redistributed.
i can't help but comment:
i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it strike you
as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign once he
wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why would I
want someone like that to be my leader?
also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally yourself with
your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation ( a
democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of political
development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the office
space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just like
raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical elements
of a campaign come to pass.
ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
kristina
>
>at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
>activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
>executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
>socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
>peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
>(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
>board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
>
>hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
>and possible victory.
>
>rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
> as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
>pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
>
>rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
>power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
>out of the "peoples'" campaign.
>
>the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
>from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
>
>dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
>berry's call for elected resident representation.
>
>all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
>projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
>
>skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
> by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
>
>protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
>chair dim liar.
>
>republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
>revolutionaries unite! with the people.
>
>
>
>
>
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im a put it this way...
if you want to get anywhere in nb, start by not hating on jason hankins.
thats just to let you know.
questionable? not really. hankins pulled 5-10 youth out every sat. & sun. to
do door-to-door surveys, until the convention. it was these youth who
introduced the campaign at people's doors. that made the motorcade come to
life...(these youth whose families see what theyre getting involved
with...whose network thru the city is beyond the wildest imagination of pc
steering committees...)
he got no love (perhaps if he'd been a republican!) from the campaign
leaders. & responded accordingly. nobody out here gonna lose face for your
self-serving ambition. the patronizing, liberal pc makes the mistake of
thinking it knows more than even the youth of the community.
the "general situation" is that the republicans control the state and the
country. they are the imperialists most effective political weapon against
the peoples' movement. the democrats are always preferable to the
republicans, even when they are the local (or even "general"!) majority.
this is the "tactical alliance" the people need against imperialism. yr
"general understanding" puts nb's "democratic political machine" at the
center of objective political reality (just as it puts the pc at the center
of nb political reality--where was njfo when neal ran for mayor, '98? during
any of the elected school board campaigns?). let me be forever "narrow" to
endorsing the principal, "general", political enemy of the people.
the argument is not against "office spaces" or "raising money". it is
against placing these as primary before peoples' organization. peoples' war
means rely on the people. offices, $$, can always be gotten. confidence is
hard won. from outside nb, perhaps office spaces may appear as "mountains"
of importance...
ps. petty bourgeois schemes posturing as working class strategy is
"annoying".
>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
>right!
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
>
>i can't help but comment:
>
>i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it strike you
>as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign once
>he
>wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why would I
>want someone like that to be my leader?
>
>also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally yourself
>with
>your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation ( a
>democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of political
>development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the office
>space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just like
>raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical elements
>of a campaign come to pass.
>
>ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
>
>kristina
>
> >
> >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
> >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
> >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> >
> >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
> >and possible victory.
> >
> >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
> > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
> >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
> >
> >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
> > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> >chair dim liar.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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The minutes for the March 3, 2001 meeting follow. Please forgive my delay in preparing and submitting them so late. NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING MARCH 3, 2001 MINUTES Present: L. Alex, A. Allred, L. Ammentorp, J. Bates, J. Boswell, M. Carey, L. Dediano, T. DeGloma, J. Gross, X. Hansen, K. Joseph, D. Key, F. Komuves, J. Luceno, B. Marshall, P. McGee, D. Morales, J. Mosley, S. Niglio, Z. Nowakowski, N. Palmieri, J. Poulos, S. Prince, D. Rosado, K. Riordan, M. Smith, A. L. Wargo. The meeting was called to order at 2:21 p.m. Zofia Nowakowski gave introductory remarks about the goals, history and objectives of the Campaign. Nominates for Chair of the Meeting were opened. Xavier Hansen was the sole nominee and was chosen as Chair. A motion was made to approve the agenda as written. The Chair explained that although it was desirable to set the agenda at the outset of the meeting, motions to alter the agenda were in order at any time during the meeting in order to address any changing needs that might be encountered throughout the course of debate. Keith Joseph moved to table certain agenda items until the next meeting, namely, item 6 (proposal concerning who is a member of the campaign); item 7(A) (campaign organization - proposal for key positions); item 8 (discussion of mission statement); and item 10 (proposal for statement on rights and responsibilities). He also observed that no discussion time was devoted to the Peoples Campaign Center, and suggested adding it to the agenda. Supporters of the motion to table argued that these items were not previously presented to the body and that rather than a forum for presenting proposals of the Steering Committee, the general meeting ought to be a forum for obtaining ideas from the members for execution by the Steering Committee. Opponents pointed out that all the items save one were previously introduced, that these were pressing matters and argued that the Steering Committee was within its rights to present desirable proposals to the membership. A motion was made to close debate, which passed. The motion to table was then rejected. VOTE NO. 11 (TABLE CERTAIN AGENDA ITEMS) YES, 9 NO, 14 Keith Joseph then moved to add to the agenda a period of discussion, today, for item 13(A) (role of the Campaign in 2001 gubernatorial election). The motion was approved by acclamation. Discussion then began on agenda item 5 (Discussion - Community Participation within the People's Campaign) with a presentation from Danny Rosado. For the remainder of the meeting, discussion was held on this point. Throughout the course of this discussion, agenda item 7 (Building of the Campaign organization) was also considered in some detail. In no particular order, the following items were discussed. NEED FOR A SPECIFIC OFFICE LOCATION/PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CENTER The need for a specific office location and People's Campaign Center was reaffirmed. A need to have a fixed base of operations, even just a small one, so that community members, especially those within the Latino community, could identify with the Campaign and readily find Campaign workers was stressed. Moreover, the People's Campaign Center is necessary for NBPC to continue its existing work, e.g. with its youth program. An office and Campaign Center committee to perform this task needs to be set up. The Committee must address, among other things, fundraising and budgeting for the center, along with plans to regularly staff it. NEED TO WORK WITHIN EXISTING PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY Simultaneously with advancing the People's Campaign Center, it is important to work with existing groups within the City. There is no need to "re-invent the wheel" insofar as there are other groups within the city offering social services, education, etc. By participating in such groups, we "network" and work with and help our fellow community members without organizational headaches inherent in setting up new groups. Ultimately, if our participation is thorough enough, we can reach the majority of people. Moreover, particpation by NBPC within community groups enhances the respectability and credibility of the organization. Among the groups that could be approached and to which we could offer our help are Crossroads Theater, the Rutgers Film Co-op and the Puerto Rican Action Board. It was also noted that there are numerous environmental groups, including Edison Wetlands Association, campus groups, and community-based survey teams already in existence. Insofar as NBPC's plans include addressing environmental concerns within New Brunswick, we should work with such groups. Liaisons from NBPC to these groups should be assigned. A MESSAGE OF UNITY AND TOLERANCE Religious, national, and political differences among residents of New Brunswick are pronounced. To succeed, NBPC needs to acknowledge these differences, yet stress that because we share a common goal of enhancing democratic control for New Brunswick residents and promoting their needs, we need to set these differences aside. NEED TO FORM A 501(c)(3) ENTITY FOR CAMPAIGN TO DELIVER EXISTING AND NEW SERVICES It would be important for a New Brunswick Campaign Foundation to be set up so that the entity can receive grants and tax-deductible donations for those aspects of Campaign work qualifying for 501(c)(3) recognition. Persons willing to carry out this task should be identified. RESOURCE LIST The Campaign ought to publish two resource lists. One would be addressed to Rutgers students to identify opportunities for them to participate in existing community activities (e.g. teaching, social service agencies, learning about government, etc.). Another should be addressed to New Brunswick residents, so that they can easily access social and governmental services. If published under the aegis of the People's Campaign, it promotes the visibility of the group. CAMPAIGN MEMBERS' LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE BASE NBPC members and leaders must learn about both governmental and nongovernmental aspects of the city. We need to acquire more information about what goes on in the city, and acquire knowledge, develop competence and develop professionally to be effective advocates for city residents. THE SECOND WARD BLOCK CLUB'S COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL Joe Moseley spoke about the Second Ward Block Club's effort to build a community center. He stressed that the project was conceived of as one that would operate free of governmental control and answerable to the people. The community center is complementary to, not in conflict with, NBPC's proposal for a People's Campaign Center. Laura Alex has been appointed liaison to the Community Center task force. ENHANCED OUTREACH ACTIVITY Our work should be on a number of levels. Some residents suffer problems even on a very basic level, e.g. light, heat and water. Part of NBPC's business should be supplying help about such problems and educating people about their rights in that regard. Beverly Marshall stressed that it takes a long time to build trust with people and it is important to get to know people and families on a personal level, to share coffee or meals with them rather than simply passing out flyers. After this discussion, certain tasks were assigned. Debra Key will be in charge of the People's Campaign Center Committee and will, as a first priority, work on identifying a site for it. She, along with Xavier Hansen, Tom DeGloma, and Justin Boswell, each promised one month's rent toward the center. Justin Boswell and Paul McGee agreed to work on generating: (1) a flyer detailing the history and work of the People's Campaign for general circulation; and (2) a mission statement, both of which will be presented to the membership for approval at the next meeting. Samantha Prince and Louise Ammentorp will continue in charge of the youth afterschool programs which have been functioning very well. The identification and delegation of further tasks by the Steering Committee was approved by consensus. It was stressed that such decisions need made known to the general membership at meetings for the purposes of (1) maintaining accountability and democratic control of the leadership and (2) to identify qualified people to perform these tasks from the many different sectors that make up the People's Campaign. The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, FLAVIO L. KOMUVES General Counsel Note: Subsequent NBPC membership meetings are on March 31; April 28; June 2; June 30; July 28. All meetings commence at 2:00 p.m. sharp at the New Brunswick Public Library, Livingston Avenue, New Brunswick.
Following are the minutes for the March 3, 2001 general meeting. Please forgive my delay in preparing them and submitting them so late. NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING MARCH 3, 2001 MINUTES Present: L. Alex, A. Allred, L. Ammentorp, J. Bates, J. Boswell, M. Carey, L. Dediano, T. DeGloma, J. Gross, X. Hansen, K. Joseph, D. Key, F. Komuves, J. Luceno, B. Marshall, P. McGee, D. Morales, J. Mosley, S. Niglio, Z. Nowakowski, N. Palmieri, J. Poulos, S. Prince, D. Rosado, K. Riordan, M. Smith, A. L. Wargo. The meeting was called to order at 2:21 p.m. Zofia Nowakowski gave introductory remarks about the goals, history and objectives of the Campaign. Nominates for Chair of the Meeting were opened. Xavier Hansen was the sole nominee and was chosen as Chair. A motion was made to approve the agenda as written. The Chair explained that although it was desirable to set the agenda at the outset of the meeting, motions to alter the agenda were in order at any time during the meeting in order to address any changing needs that might be encountered throughout the course of debate. Keith Joseph moved to table certain agenda items until the next meeting, namely, item 6 (proposal concerning who is a member of the campaign); item 7(A) (campaign organization - proposal for key positions); item 8 (discussion of mission statement); and item 10 (proposal for statement on rights and responsibilities). He also observed that no discussion time was devoted to the Peoples Campaign Center, and suggested adding it to the agenda. Supporters of the motion to table argued that these items were not previously presented to the body and that rather than a forum for presenting proposals of the Steering Committee, the general meeting ought to be a forum for obtaining ideas from the members for execution by the Steering Committee. Opponents pointed out that all the items save one were previously introduced, that these were pressing matters and argued that the Steering Committee was within its rights to present desirable proposals to the membership. A motion was made to close debate, which passed. The motion to table was then rejected. VOTE NO. 11 (TABLE CERTAIN AGENDA ITEMS) YES, 9 NO, 14 Keith Joseph then moved to add to the agenda a period of discussion, today, for item 13(A) (role of the Campaign in 2001 gubernatorial election). The motion was approved by acclamation. Discussion then began on agenda item 5 (Discussion - Community Participation within the People's Campaign) with a presentation from Danny Rosado. For the remainder of the meeting, discussion was held on this point. Throughout the course of this discussion, agenda item 7 (Building of the Campaign organization) was also considered in some detail. In no particular order, the following items were discussed. NEED FOR A SPECIFIC OFFICE LOCATION/PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CENTER The need for a specific office location and People's Campaign Center was reaffirmed. A need to have a fixed base of operations, even just a small one, so that community members, especially those within the Latino community, could identify with the Campaign and readily find Campaign workers was stressed. Moreover, the People's Campaign Center is necessary for NBPC to continue its existing work, e.g. with its youth program. An office and Campaign Center committee to perform this task needs to be set up. The Committee must address, among other things, fundraising and budgeting for the center, along with plans to regularly staff it. NEED TO WORK WITHIN EXISTING PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY Simultaneously with advancing the People's Campaign Center, it is important to work with existing groups within the City. There is no need to "re-invent the wheel" insofar as there are other groups within the city offering social services, education, etc. By participating in such groups, we "network" and work with and help our fellow community members without organizational headaches inherent in setting up new groups. Ultimately, if our participation is thorough enough, we can reach the majority of people. Moreover, particpation by NBPC within community groups enhances the respectability and credibility of the organization. Among the groups that could be approached and to which we could offer our help are Crossroads Theater, the Rutgers Film Co-op and the Puerto Rican Action Board. It was also noted that there are numerous environmental groups, including Edison Wetlands Association, campus groups, and community-based survey teams already in existence. Insofar as NBPC's plans include addressing environmental concerns within New Brunswick, we should work with such groups. Liaisons from NBPC to these groups should be assigned. A MESSAGE OF UNITY AND TOLERANCE Religious, national, and political differences among residents of New Brunswick are pronounced. To succeed, NBPC needs to acknowledge these differences, yet stress that because we share a common goal of enhancing democratic control for New Brunswick residents and promoting their needs, we need to set these differences aside. NEED TO FORM A 501(c)(3) ENTITY FOR CAMPAIGN TO DELIVER EXISTING AND NEW SERVICES It would be important for a New Brunswick Campaign Foundation to be set up so that the entity can receive grants and tax-deductible donations for those aspects of Campaign work qualifying for 501(c)(3) recognition. Persons willing to carry out this task should be identified. RESOURCE LIST The Campaign ought to publish two resource lists. One would be addressed to Rutgers students to identify opportunities for them to participate in existing community activities (e.g. teaching, social service agencies, learning about government, etc.). Another should be addressed to New Brunswick residents, so that they can easily access social and governmental services. If published under the aegis of the People's Campaign, it promotes the visibility of the group. CAMPAIGN MEMBERS' LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE BASE NBPC members and leaders must learn about both governmental and nongovernmental aspects of the city. We need to acquire more information about what goes on in the city, and acquire knowledge, develop competence and develop professionally to be effective advocates for city residents. THE SECOND WARD BLOCK CLUB'S COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL Joe Moseley spoke about the Second Ward Block Club's effort to build a community center. He stressed that the project was conceived of as one that would operate free of governmental control and answerable to the people. The community center is complementary to, not in conflict with, NBPC's proposal for a People's Campaign Center. Laura Alex has been appointed liaison to the Community Center task force. ENHANCED OUTREACH ACTIVITY Our work should be on a number of levels. Some residents suffer problems even on a very basic level, e.g. light, heat and water. Part of NBPC's business should be supplying help about such problems and educating people about their rights in that regard. Beverly Marshall stressed that it takes a long time to build trust with people and it is important to get to know people and families on a personal level, to share coffee or meals with them rather than simply passing out flyers. After this discussion, certain tasks were assigned. Debra Key will be in charge of the People's Campaign Center Committee and will, as a first priority, work on identifying a site for it. She, along with Xavier Hansen, Tom DeGloma, and Justin Boswell, each promised one month's rent toward the center. Justin Boswell and Paul McGee agreed to work on generating: (1) a flyer detailing the history and work of the People's Campaign for general circulation; and (2) a mission statement, both of which will be presented to the membership for approval at the next meeting. Samantha Prince and Louise Ammentorp will continue in charge of the youth afterschool programs which have been functioning very well. The identification and delegation of further tasks by the Steering Committee was approved by consensus. It was stressed that such decisions need made known to the general membership at meetings for the purposes of (1) maintaining accountability and democratic control of the leadership and (2) to identify qualified people to perform these tasks from the many different sectors that make up the People's Campaign. The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m. Respectfully submitted, FLAVIO L. KOMUVES General Counsel Note: Subsequent NBPC membership meetings are on March 31; April 28; June 2; June 30; July 28. All meetings commence at 2:00 p.m. sharp at the New Brunswick Public Library, Livingston Avenue, New Brunswick.
By the way, Does anybody know why Soaries isn't giving the $50,000?
Is he waiting to see if the theater will raise a comparable amount
from other sources? I know that J&J pledged a bunch of cash. I also
know that the theater pays 'rent' to City Market or the NB Cultural
Center, whoever they are. This relationship might be worth
investigating. If anybody knows anything factual, (opinions are nice)
they should call me or the investigation committee. Paul
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> i can't help but comment:
>
> i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
strike you
> as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign
once he
> wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
would I
> want someone like that to be my leader?
>
> also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
yourself with
> your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
( a
> democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
political
> development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
office
> space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
like
> raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
elements
> of a campaign come to pass.
>
> ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
>
> kristina
>
> >
> >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
liar
> >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
elected
> >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> >
> >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
(motorcades...),
> >and possible victory.
> >
> >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
enlist
> > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
right
> >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
isolated.
> >
> >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
allocated
> > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> >chair dim liar.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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community room, bldg1, projects...
Council aims to name resident to housing panel
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it
will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
current commissioner's term expires next month.
The council plans to appoint someone living in public
housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
Recine.
The council has reached out to people, including Housing
Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to
have
a list of names next week, he said.
Racine said the council wants to have at least three
names so it can compare the candidates.
The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
Affairs
chooses another one.
A federal regulation, which took effect in November
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have
been
two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the
law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
Republican activist, and a council appointment in April
2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.
Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to
our
attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public
housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
bounce her,"
said Hamilton.
The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M.
Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because
of
the resident requirement, not because of his performance
as a commissioner, Recine said.
"I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known
him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.
George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
resident, saying it would help build a partnership
between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
representative
also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
board, Berry said.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: March 22, 2001
NEW BRUNSWICK: Devco to manage City Market
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: The New Brunswick City Market will be
managed and staffed by the New Brunswick Development
Corporation, or Devco, officials said.
City Market's board of directors unanimously approved
the use of Devco under a two-year management agreement yesterday, said
Christopher J. Paladino, president of Devco.
Devco will provide "across-the-board management of the
organization" and be paid $65,000 for the first year of the agreement,
said
Paladino, who also serves on City Market's executive
committee.
"It's a tremendous opportunity to raise the playing
field and start having City Market work in a much more collaborative
way with
Devco, the (New Brunswick) Cultural Center, the
hospitals, Rutgers (University) and all those that have a stake in
economic
development in the city," Paladino said.
Devco also may provide initial, and potentially long-
term, administrative support to the Cultural Center, which is being
reorganized,
according to Thomas Kelso, chairman of the State Theatre
board of trustees.
City Market, formed in 1987, is a special improvement
district bordered roughly by Route 18, Richmond, New, Morris and
Kirkpatrick streets and the railroad tracks between
Johnson Drive and the railroad station. It organizes special events and
provides
physical improvements, such as graffiti removal,
landscaping and street lighting.
City Market receives funds through an assessment tax on
businesses in the special improvement district. Last year, City Market
received about $400,000 from the assessments and had a
total budget of about $485,000, said Paladino.
By having Devco provide management services, Devco and
City Market will no longer duplicate efforts such as trying to draw in
more retail businesses to the city, said Paladino.
Devco, which has a bigger staff and more experience, can
provide financing opportunities for downtown improvements, reach
deeper into the corporate sector for events and
festivals, seek additional funding for facade renovations and take a
hard look at the
infrastructure of the downtown, Paladino said.
City Market previously had two full-time employees and
one part-time employee. After City Market's executive director,
Claudine
Gilloly, left in January, City Market began interviewing
candidates to replace her, said executive committee member Greg Ritter,
owner of George Street Camera. During the interview
process, Devco presented its proposal, Ritter said.
With Devco as the manager, Jim Zullo, former executive
director of the New Brunswick Parking Authority, will serve as City
Market's executive director, Paladino said. Zullo joined
Devco one month ago as a vice president, he added.
Jack Blauvelt, City Market's chairman, said the
organization will save about $30,000 to $40,000 on salaries alone this
year by using
Devco.
Ritter and another board member, Larry Daniels, general
manager of the Hyatt Regency New Brunswick, noted City Market and
Devco have similar missions.
"Since Devco and City Market always worked hand-in-hand,
it made sense," said Ritter. "They work toward the same goal, to
rebuild and develop downtown New Brunswick."
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
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Published: March 22, 2001
116 livingston ave senior bldg lounge contact cliff smith 214.8828 cliffsmith69@...
This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD &
residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while
simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed
the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican
Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join
BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the
community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's
throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT
would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local
Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New
Brunswick!
(by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO
on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement
internally...)
-Matthew
----Original Message Follows----
From: cliffsmith69@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000
meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election!
community room, bldg1, projects...
Council aims to name resident to housing panel
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it
will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
current commissioner's term expires next month.
The council plans to appoint someone living in public
housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
Recine.
The council has reached out to people, including Housing
Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to
have
a list of names next week, he said.
Racine said the council wants to have at least three
names so it can compare the candidates.
The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
Affairs
chooses another one.
A federal regulation, which took effect in November
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have
been
two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the
law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
Republican activist, and a council appointment in April
2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.
Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to
our
attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public
housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
bounce her,"
said Hamilton.
The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M.
Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because
of
the resident requirement, not because of his performance
as a commissioner, Recine said.
"I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known
him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.
George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
resident, saying it would help build a partnership
between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
representative
also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
board, Berry said.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
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not $50G's, $500G's.
which also holds up another $100G's in emergency funds also awaiting
Sec. of State Soaries' fund release.
J&J "donated" $95G's to cover rent & utilities for the year.
Crossroads' outstanding debt is $1.8 mil. the pending $600,000 is
significant to Crossroads' revival.
Soaries claims to be waiting the new fiscal year. He is really
blackmailing Crossroads' administration to leverage in his Republican
front 1st Baptist Development Corporation & Assoc.
Crossroads is currently begging former season ticket holders to donate
their 2000-2001 ticket costs to the revival effort, and is planning a
series of fundraising efforts, including a Saturday afternoon poetry
series, to which they claim to be bringing Baraka, in May.
Also, on Sat. nite, March 31, a "Black Tie Optional" $75/per gala at
which the NB Peoples' Community Arts Mural Project will be distributing
literature demanding Soaries stop putting Republican politics before
Community Theater. All are invited to join us. Contact Tamara Dahan &
Maura Carey 729.0390 or mauracarey@...
A meeting to Defend Crossroads (Community) Theater & Promote Local Arts
is scheduled for 1pm, Sunday, 1 April.
CityMarket is now an extension of DevCo. See today's HomeNewsTribune.
I think the State Theater, actually, owns Crossroads' building...
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., shorepaulie@h... wrote:
> By the way, Does anybody know why Soaries isn't giving the $50,000?
> Is he waiting to see if the theater will raise a comparable amount
> from other sources? I know that J&J pledged a bunch of cash. I also
> know that the theater pays 'rent' to City Market or the NB Cultural
> Center, whoever they are. This relationship might be worth
> investigating. If anybody knows anything factual, (opinions are nice)
> they should call me or the investigation committee. Paul
>
>
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> > i can't help but comment:
> >
> > i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
> strike you
> > as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign
> once he
> > wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
> would I
> > want someone like that to be my leader?
> >
> > also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
> yourself with
> > your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
> ( a
> > democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
> political
> > development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
> office
> > space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
> like
> > raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
> elements
> > of a campaign come to pass.
> >
> > ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> >
> > kristina
> >
> > >
> > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
> liar
> > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
> elected
> > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> > >
> > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
> (motorcades...),
> > >and possible victory.
> > >
> > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
> enlist
> > > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
> right
> > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
> isolated.
> > >
> > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
> allocated
> > > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> > >chair dim liar.
> > >
> > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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excellent work, matt! again- organizing mtg to elect resident rep to nbha is 4pm, sat., community room, bldg1, projects. & we are eager to begin production of u&s. meeting has been penciled for sun. nite. contact keith... --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD & > residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while > simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed > the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican > Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join > BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the > community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's > throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT > would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local > Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New > Brunswick! > > (by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO > on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement > internally...) > > -Matthew > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: cliffsmith69@h... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000 > > meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election! > community room, bldg1, projects... > > > Council aims to name resident to housing panel > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01 > > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it > will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a > current commissioner's term expires next month. > > The council plans to appoint someone living in public > housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert > Recine. > > The council has reached out to people, including Housing > Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to > have > a list of names next week, he said. > > Racine said the council wants to have at least three > names so it can compare the candidates. > > The City Council appoints five of the commissioners, > while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community > Affairs > chooses another one. > > A federal regulation, which took effect in November > 1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have > been > two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the > law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a > Republican activist, and a council appointment in April > 2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed. > > Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City > Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to > our > attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public > housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to > bounce her," > said Hamilton. > > The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M. > Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because > of > the resident requirement, not because of his performance > as a commissioner, Recine said. > > "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known > him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said. > > George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes > Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a > resident, saying it would help build a partnership > between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident > representative > also will provide firsthand insight and input to the > board, Berry said. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: March 22, 2001 > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
i appreciate your response to my questions. though it still remains. good plug for the meeting, it must be embraced! joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:48:53 > >This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD & >residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while >simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed >the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican >Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join >BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the >community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's >throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT >would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local >Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New >Brunswick! > >(by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO >on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement >internally...) > >-Matthew > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: cliffsmith69@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000 > >meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election! >community room, bldg1, projects... > > >Council aims to name resident to housing panel > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01 > > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it >will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a >current commissioner's term expires next month. > > The council plans to appoint someone living in public >housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert >Recine. > > The council has reached out to people, including Housing >Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to >have > a list of names next week, he said. > > Racine said the council wants to have at least three >names so it can compare the candidates. > > The City Council appoints five of the commissioners, >while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community >Affairs > chooses another one. > > A federal regulation, which took effect in November >1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have >been > two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the >law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a > Republican activist, and a council appointment in April >2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed. > > Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City >Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to >our > attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public >housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to >bounce her," > said Hamilton. > > The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M. >Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because >of > the resident requirement, not because of his performance >as a commissioner, Recine said. > > "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known >him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said. > > George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes >Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a > resident, saying it would help build a partnership >between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident >representative > also will provide firsthand insight and input to the >board, Berry said. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: March 22, 2001 > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
investigator, you need to get up with tami/maura they have things in the
works. 732.729.0390 tami 732.729.7471 maura
tamaradahan@... mauracarey@...
joe
>From: shorepaulie@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
>right!
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:09:32 -0000
>
>By the way, Does anybody know why Soaries isn't giving the $50,000?
>Is he waiting to see if the theater will raise a comparable amount
>from other sources? I know that J&J pledged a bunch of cash. I also
>know that the theater pays 'rent' to City Market or the NB Cultural
>Center, whoever they are. This relationship might be worth
>investigating. If anybody knows anything factual, (opinions are nice)
>they should call me or the investigation committee. Paul
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> > i can't help but comment:
> >
> > i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
>strike you
> > as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign
>once he
> > wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
>would I
> > want someone like that to be my leader?
> >
> > also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
>yourself with
> > your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
>( a
> > democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
>political
> > development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
>office
> > space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
>like
> > raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
>elements
> > of a campaign come to pass.
> >
> > ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> >
> > kristina
> >
> > >
> > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
>liar
> > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
>elected
> > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> > >
> > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
>(motorcades...),
> > >and possible victory.
> > >
> > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>enlist
> > > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
>right
> > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
>isolated.
> > >
> > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>allocated
> > > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> > >chair dim liar.
> > >
> > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he possibly gain
from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own community?
Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's Campaign
should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying to
represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than Jason,
or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the campaign" more
important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is and who
it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for control
over their community or republicans who can get funds and office spaces?
You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why he
"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign split
from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this position for
some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the streets
and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see having
gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing authority. The
people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you consider
helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your back on NB
youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what "mountains" the
office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you should
"help but comment".
Tamara
>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
>right!
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
>
>i can't help but comment:
>
>i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it strike you
>as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign once
>he
>wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why would I
>want someone like that to be my leader?
>
>also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally yourself
>with
>your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation ( a
>democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of political
>development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the office
>space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just like
>raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical elements
>of a campaign come to pass.
>
>ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
>
>kristina
>
> >
> >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
> >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
> >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> >
> >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
> >and possible victory.
> >
> >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
> > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
> >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
> >
> >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
> > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> >chair dim liar.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
wanting to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain
from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring
about
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On Saturday, April 21, 9AM to 2PM, the NJ Foundation for Open Government (NJFOG) will be sponsoring a program to discuss NJs current problems over access to public records. "Frosty" Landon, president of the National Freedom of Information Coalition and head of the Virginia Freedom of Information Group, and state Senator Byron Baer (D-Bergen), one of the sponsors of NJs public access bill before the Senate, will be featured as key speakers for this event. NJFOG, a coalition of journalist and public interest groups, was recently formed as a non-profit organization to advocate for better citizen access to its government. The program will be held at the Rutgers/Eagleton Institute in New Brunswick. Only 60 seats will be available. Reservations should be made early. Tickets will be $15 if reserved, $20 at the door. We appreciate your contacting your memberships to advise them of this program. Further details will be provided shortly. If you have any questions or wish to make early reservations, please contact: Patricia Nelson NJFOG 732-545-0304 GlendasHouse@... If you would like to learn more about the NJ Foundation for Open Government, please send requests for further information to: NJ Foundation for Open Government 236 Carol Rd N Plainfield NJ 07062 Or you may contact: Joe Tyrrell President 908-429-9928 Jtyrrell@...
"Blacks are genetically inferior (to whites)" and that is why they
are not allowed to flourish at Rutgers. And why there are more black
youth in prison than college
-Rutgers President ~ Francis Nazi Lawrence
... and yet I rise!
We are joined with the coalition for Justice, initiated by the
People's Organization for Progress, for a March on Trenton May 16,
against racist profiling and police brutality. We as students at
Rutgers and people who live in New Brunswick need not look outside
our own communities to notice racist profiling. (With just last week
some male/white supremacist tarnished the Cook/Douglas campus and
with university president Fascist Fran won't even provide a proper
facility for these women.)
Student organizations are critical in the broad fight against
racism/national oppression, and are particularly needed to make this
march successful. Locally has been formed the Committee to Defeat
Racist Profiling and we are in need of support.
We are looking for organizational sponsors for the march, activists
to help educate/organize/mobilize students & into the New Brunswick
community which needs your help. Also to solicit support from
student governments & newspapers around all campuses. Finally to
develop statewide student coalitions to assist these community
struggles.
The trial for NB Troopers John Hogan & James Kenna, who fired 11
shots into a van of 4 unarmed Black/Latino youth in '98, is
scheduled to begin September 4. State hearings into who knew of
official racist profiling & when are happening at the present time,
with Verniero to be questioned come Tuesday. All eyes on Trenton,
where this investigation is happening.
This march, and other local activities, is our opportunity, as the
people, to add our voice & demands to the discussion. The Committee
To Defeat Racist Profiling is organizing a forum on campus for April
4 at the Paul Robeson Cultural Center and a local organizing meeting
for the march at the New Brunswick Public Library April 8. For info
can_bush@...
Unite!
Joe Smith
1st year, University College, RU
Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling
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OK- U&S pamphlets are in...see you this weekend... ----Original Message Follows---- From: cliffsmith69@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:06:08 -0000 excellent work, matt! again- organizing mtg to elect resident rep to nbha is 4pm, sat., community room, bldg1, projects. & we are eager to begin production of u&s. meeting has been penciled for sun. nite. contact keith... --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD & > residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while > simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed > the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican > Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join > BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the > community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's > throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT > would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local > Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New > Brunswick! > > (by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO > on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement > internally...) > > -Matthew > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: cliffsmith69@h... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000 > > meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election! > community room, bldg1, projects... > > > Council aims to name resident to housing panel > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01 > > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it > will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a > current commissioner's term expires next month. > > The council plans to appoint someone living in public > housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert > Recine. > > The council has reached out to people, including Housing > Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to > have > a list of names next week, he said. > > Racine said the council wants to have at least three > names so it can compare the candidates. > > The City Council appoints five of the commissioners, > while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community > Affairs > chooses another one. > > A federal regulation, which took effect in November > 1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have > been > two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the > law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a > Republican activist, and a council appointment in April > 2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed. > > Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City > Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to > our > attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public > housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to > bounce her," > said Hamilton. > > The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M. > Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because > of > the resident requirement, not because of his performance > as a commissioner, Recine said. > > "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known > him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said. > > George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes > Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a > resident, saying it would help build a partnership > between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident > representative > also will provide firsthand insight and input to the > board, Berry said. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: March 22, 2001 > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i can't
understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic accusations.
>From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To:
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
>garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:05:59
>-0000
>
>Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
>wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he possibly gain
>from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own community?
>Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's Campaign
>should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying to
>represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than Jason,
>or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the campaign" more
>important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
>Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is and who
>it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for control
>over their community or republicans who can get funds and office spaces?
>You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why he
>"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign split
>from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this position for
>some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the streets
>and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see having
>gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing authority. The
>people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you consider
>helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your back on NB
>youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what "mountains" the
>office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you should
>"help but comment".
>
>Tamara
>
>
> >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To:
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
>garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14 >
> >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of history
>pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the "budding
>youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the steering
>committee? why is that exactly? why would I >want someone like that to be
>my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to
>ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the
>general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow
>understanding of political >development. that is the nature of tactical
>alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the campaign
>than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task, so is
>making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. > >ps. the
>clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the may'00
>peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason hankins
>was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board seat. njfo
>("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after
>"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the nb
>republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's
>election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on grounds
>that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach
>committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather then
>relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as
>republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar > >pimped
>this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather than
>unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it is the
>republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the "peoples'"
>campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, &
>drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed
>and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment &
>back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. > > > >all
>eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining > >projects
>residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must immediately
>stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state legislature to
>crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of
>nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the garbage
>can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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FREE DISCUSSION FORUM THIS MONDAY, MARCH 26TH, DOUGLASS STUDENT CENTER Charitable Choice or Compassionate �Convert�icism?? On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01). What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of separation between church and state? AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY What are we going to do about it??? Join us in for an interactive discussion break down the myths and examine the truth behind �charitable choice� and the latest right-wing attack on democracy with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers student activist Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe Douglass College Center FREE! Sponsored by: Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian, and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO) for more info email: audreya@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Hi, Sounds cool. Just be careful to remember that it's as much an attack on religion as it is an attack on the welfare state. The "religion = conservative = bad" vs. "secular = liberal = good" schtick only plays into the hands of far right 'culture wars' ideologues, ultimately. Not that I'm personally what you'd call a man of faith. Have you looked at Marvin Olasky's work? If not, he's much more central to the plan than, say, Charles Murray. (I don't know if Olasky also works for the Manhattan Institute -- I thought he worked with the American Enterprise Institute, but I could be wrong). I know at least he's the person who came up with the term 'compassionate conservatism'. Later, Jeremy On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, kristina bas wrote: > FREE DISCUSSION FORUM THIS MONDAY, MARCH 26TH, DOUGLASS STUDENT CENTER > > Charitable Choice or > Compassionate Converticism?? > > On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal > office dedicated to the integration of religious groups into federally > financed social services (NY Times, 1/30/01). > > What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to > prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy > Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its > relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of > separation between church and state? > > AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY > > What are we going to do about it??? > > Join us in for an interactive discussion > break down the myths and > examine the truth behind charitable choice > and the latest right-wing attack on democracy > > with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers student > activist > > Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm > Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe > Douglass College Center > FREE! > > Sponsored by: > Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian, > and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO) > > for more info email: audreya@... > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > To Post a message, send it to: njfo@eGroups.com > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@eGroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
Hi all, The People's Center Committee will meet this coming TUESDAY, 3/27/01 at 9PM 95 Baldwin Street Anyone interested is encouraged to come. (If you need a ride, call Xavier at 735-1342) As we decided at the People's Campaign's last General Meeting (following Debra Key''s proposal), we will begin planning for the opening of a People's Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for grassroots political activism and community cultural activities in New Brunswick. Among other points, we will focus on: -Finding potential sites -Gathering resources and volunteers -Raising necessary funds -Promoting the plan for the People's Center throughout the New Brunswick community. Hope to see you there. In unity, Xavier
1st we shd state that there is no place within the peoples' democratic
united front against imperialism for republicans.
2nd we should recognize that petty bourgeois opportunism confused
(denied) the differences between the democrats & republicans in the
presidential election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate
(Bush2) seizing power. A defeat for the people, at the hands of
"progressives". The road to hell is paved w/ good intentions.
Locally, we must acknowledge that the Peoples' Campaign's opportunism
confused (ignored) the difference between the democrats & republicans
in the council election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate
(FBushNB)seizing power. A defeat for the people, at the hands of
"progressives".
The Peoples' Campaign/ NJFO ("for revolutionary democracy &
socialism"), take no responsibility for this. Instead, hurl insults
at their critics.
The PC/NJFO puts forward the position that the peoples' primary enemy
in New Brunswick is the local Democratic political machine. This view
is devoid of any class analysis, regardless the claims to marxism of
its defenders. The Republican polical machine puts forward the EXACT
SAME POSITION, as it does nationally.
The Republican position is that the Democrats are corrupt &
inefficient. Gov't oversight, review, open books, anti-corruption,
know yr rights, memorials(MLK...), fairness, "equality",
anti-brutality &c., all fit within the Republican (stated) program as
against the Democrats. In this way, the Republicans manipulate popular
dicontent with Democratic imperial sloppiness (Clinton, TedKennedy,
Cahill...), to replace w/ their more streamlined, "compassionate"
corporationism. They're not here to tear down the political machine,
just to do better.
The critics on the right do not fear abstract reformism. The
Republicans put Nadir in their anti-Gore ads!
The Republicans also put the Peoples' Campaign in their anti-Cahill
progam. Because the PC made no anti-imperialist, clear, working-class
(peoples') position. Only Seize Power From Cahill! "Community" is
ambiguous. Bush promotes the "Peoples' Budget"! Republicans were
embraced into the highest positions of the PC, boosting their minority
position in NB. They & J&J both are eager to oust the clumsy
Democrats.
NB Republican Party Chair FB played the PC well. His anti-Marxist,
anti-worker position was open & clear. Yet he maintains official good
standing in the PC (certain individual bad feelings aside). His most
public defenders come from w/in the PC at its highest levels, from its
most respected leaders, who themselves REGISTERED AS REPUBLICANS!
Why? to chase "office dreams", instead of peoples' organization.
The PC/NJFO minimizes (criminally) the relationship of the Republican
Secratary of State (DS) to the people of NJ & NB. DS is a fascist
operative. His entire role is to cover racist profiling brutality,
the open, state terror of imperialist dictatorship. Regardless of his
"religious" trappings (speaking of "clerical obscurantism" & "missing
Deforest for the trees"!), any affiliation to him is political, and
especially so when that affiliation comes from another political
figure, like an area council candidate! Where is the demand that DS
release the $500,000 appropriated by the state legislature to
Crossroads Theater? Where the demand that DS retract his official
defense of Attorney General (now SCJustice!) Peter ("racist profiling
didn't exist before 4/'98") Verniero?
DS' love-fest w/ Bush2 & DiFransesco last week is testament to local
Republican insurgency. & responsibility falls squarely on the PC
"Republican Revolution".
Peoples' war on the right! We also "zero in", curtis.
Go Frank Go Frank (& his Republican defenders) in the garbage can!
posted by joe
writin by cliff
>From: xavier.hansen@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] PEOPLE'S CENTER MEETING
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:10:44 +0000
>
>Hi all,
>
>The People's Center Committee will meet this coming
>
>TUESDAY, 3/27/01 at 9PM
>95 Baldwin Street
>
>Anyone interested is encouraged to come.
>(If you need a ride, call Xavier at 735-1342)
>
>As we decided at the People's Campaign's last General
>Meeting (following Debra Key''s proposal), we will begin
>planning for the opening of a People's Campaign Center
>for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for
>grassroots political activism and community cultural
>activities in New Brunswick. Among other points, we will
>focus on:
>
>-Finding potential sites
>
>-Gathering resources and volunteers
>
>-Raising necessary funds
>
>-Promoting the plan for the People's Center throughout
>the New Brunswick community.
>
>Hope to see you there.
>
>In unity,
>
>Xavier
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD & > residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while > simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed > the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican > Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join > BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the > community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's > throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT > would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local > Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New > Brunswick! > > (by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO > on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement > internally...) > > -Matthew > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: cliffsmith69@h... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000 > > meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election! > community room, bldg1, projects... > > > Council aims to name resident to housing panel > > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01 > > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it > will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New > Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a > current commissioner's term expires next month. > > The council plans to appoint someone living in public > housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert > Recine. > > The council has reached out to people, including Housing > Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to > have > a list of names next week, he said. > > Racine said the council wants to have at least three > names so it can compare the candidates. > > The City Council appoints five of the commissioners, > while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community > Affairs > chooses another one. > > A federal regulation, which took effect in November > 1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have > been > two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the > law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a > Republican activist, and a council appointment in April > 2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed. > > Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City > Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to > our > attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public > housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to > bounce her," > said Hamilton. > > The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M. > Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because > of > the resident requirement, not because of his performance > as a commissioner, Recine said. > > "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known > him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said. > > George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes > Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a > resident, saying it would help build a partnership > between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident > representative > also will provide firsthand insight and input to the > board, Berry said. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: March 22, 2001 > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I think Jason's not on this listserv speaking for himself because this
list and njfo list are irrelevant soap boxes for dogmatic marxists who
are determined not to make allies with anyone. It's a damn shame
what's happened to this list, and if you want one argument for taking
over space, the dogmatists have illustrated it perfectly by placing
high priority on monopolizing this list with rants and reminders.
But this isn't space like it used to be, because I think everyone's
been driven out. So I hope that when the people's center for culture
and democracy is in effect, the same people who have spent the last
five months dissing the campaign and its office space don't decide
they want to host their far left events there.
I can only wonder what other people think about this list, but they
dare not express their views, lest they subject themselves to flogging
with a moldy copy of the liner notes from the old Lefty hit "Gonzalo
thought meets Knave Starvin", which is best played at 78 speed.
From the trail of splitist emails, I'm beginning to think that the
slogan of many SWORD combatants is community control over cyberspace.
Well you have it. Bye.
Paul
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i
can't
> understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic
accusations.
>
>
> >From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@y... Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001
04:05:59
> >-0000
> >
> >Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
for
> >wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he
possibly gain
> >from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own
community?
> >Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's
Campaign
> >should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
to
> >represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB
than Jason,
> >or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
campaign" more
> >important than what the campaign was supposed to be about-
Community
> >Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
and who
> >it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
control
> >over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
spaces?
> >You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why
he
> >"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign
split
> >from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
position for
> >some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the
streets
> >and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see
having
> >gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
authority. The
> >people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
consider
> >helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
back on NB
> >youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
"mountains" the
> >office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise
you should
> >"help but comment".
> >
> >Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... >To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@y... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001
00:52:14 >
> > >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of
history
> >pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the
"budding
> >youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the
steering
> >committee? why is that exactly? why would I >want someone like that
to be
> >my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is
necessary to
> >ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of
the
> >general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your
narrow
> >understanding of political >development. that is the nature of
tactical
> >alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the
campaign
> >than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task,
so is
> >making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. >
>ps. the
> >clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the
may'00
> >peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason
hankins
> >was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board
seat. njfo
> >("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as
now)after
> >"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the
nb
> >republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe
smith's
> >election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on
grounds
> >that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the
outreach
> >committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather
then
> >relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as
> >republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar >
>pimped
> >this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather
than
> >unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it
is the
> >republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the
"peoples'"
> >campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself
immediately, &
> >drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be
exposed
> >and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal
appointment &
> >back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. >
> > >all
> >eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining >
>projects
> >residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must
immediately
> >stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state
legislature to
> >crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st,
residence of
> >nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the
garbage
> >can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the
people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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What are
> >you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
wanting
> >to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain
from it,
> >besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring
about
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yes, i agree with your points of caution. its very easy to get repulsed by the conservative christian aspect of it (as it brings a bad taste to my mouth), and to then make the mistake of alienating all religious people, some of whom are natural allies. ive recently met some progressive religious folks who are opening my eyes up to broader understandings of how charitable choice sucks. i recently heard this progressive theologian speak against compassionate conservatism, and when she ended with the quote about the rich man getting through the eye of the needle, i was hootin and hollering with everyone else! kristina >From: Jeremy Gross <jagross@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] REMINDER: forum on Monday >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:08:14 -0500 (EST) > > >Hi, > >Sounds cool. Just be careful to remember that it's as much an attack on >religion as it is an attack on the welfare state. The "religion = >conservative = bad" vs. "secular = liberal = good" schtick only plays into >the hands of far right 'culture wars' ideologues, ultimately. Not that >I'm personally what you'd call a man of faith. > >Have you looked at Marvin Olasky's work? If not, he's much more central >to the plan than, say, Charles Murray. (I don't know if Olasky also works >for the Manhattan Institute -- I thought he worked with the American >Enterprise Institute, but I could be wrong). I know at least he's the >person who came up with the term 'compassionate conservatism'. > >Later, > >Jeremy > > >On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, kristina bas wrote: > > > FREE DISCUSSION FORUM THIS MONDAY, MARCH 26TH, DOUGLASS STUDENT CENTER > > > > Charitable Choice or > > Compassionate �Convert�icism?? > > > > On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first >federal > > office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally > > financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01). > > > > What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to > > prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, >Tommy > > Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its > > relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of > > separation between church and state? > > > > AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY > > > > What are we going to do about it??? > > > > Join us in for an interactive discussion > > break down the myths and > > examine the truth behind �charitable choice� > > and the latest right-wing attack on democracy > > > > with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers >student > > activist > > > > Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm > > Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe > > Douglass College Center > > FREE! > > > > Sponsored by: > > Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian, > > and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO) > > > > for more info email: audreya@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
paul-
kindly define these slurs, preferrably w/ examples...
"dogmatic marxists"
"determined not to make allies with anyone"
"their far left events"
"splitist emails"
"dissing the campaign"
community control over cyberspace.
kristina-
it is to laugh...
"i can't(?!) understand why these discussions degenerate into
antagonistic
accusations."
"i am finding these versions of history pretty funny."
"the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign"
"why would i want someone like that to be my leader?"
"your narrow understanding"
"ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying."
but perhaps there is too much stabbing. perhaps we should better agree
on what is our disagreement.
can our haters deny that it is they who expelled us, not the reverse?
that their reason is they chose to ally with republicans as against
working class activists?
that the reason for this is that they view the peoples' enemy as not
the imperialist ruling class (nb, read: j&j), (using a class analysis
of "the general situation" & representing the working class), but
rather, as the local "democratic party machine", thus, using their not-
"narrow understanding", make "tactical alliances" with republican
operatives?
can they deny that this petty-bourgeois, liberal trend dates well
before the peoples' campaign, that i was expelled from the u&s study
group in '96 for opposing republicans (dole), as against the (c.u.
starvin) slogan, "boycott!", BY THE SAME PEOPLE who expelled block on
lock for in '00 for opposing republicans as against the (njfo) slogan
"tactically unite with republican foes, in the context of the general
political situation, against the democratic party machine."
peoples' war on the right!
republicans in the garbage can!
build the peoples' democratic workers' party!
unite don't split!
cliff
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., shorepaulie@h... wrote:
> I think Jason's not on this listserv speaking for himself because this
> list and njfo list are irrelevant soap boxes for dogmatic marxists who
> are determined not to make allies with anyone. It's a damn shame
> what's happened to this list, and if you want one argument for taking
> over space, the dogmatists have illustrated it perfectly by placing
> high priority on monopolizing this list with rants and reminders.
>
> But this isn't space like it used to be, because I think everyone's
> been driven out. So I hope that when the people's center for culture
> and democracy is in effect, the same people who have spent the last
> five months dissing the campaign and its office space don't decide
> they want to host their far left events there.
>
> I can only wonder what other people think about this list, but they
> dare not express their views, lest they subject themselves to flogging
> with a moldy copy of the liner notes from the old Lefty hit "Gonzalo
> thought meets Knave Starvin", which is best played at 78 speed.
>
> From the trail of splitist emails, I'm beginning to think that the
> slogan of many SWORD combatants is community control over cyberspace.
> Well you have it. Bye.
>
> Paul
>
>
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> > no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i
> can't
> > understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic
> accusations.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To:
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@y... Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> > >garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001
> 04:05:59
> > >-0000
> > >
> > >Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
> for
> > >wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he
> possibly gain
> > >from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own
> community?
> > >Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's
> Campaign
> > >should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
> to
> > >represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB
> than Jason,
> > >or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
> campaign" more
> > >important than what the campaign was supposed to be about-
> Community
> > >Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
> and who
> > >it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
> control
> > >over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
> spaces?
> > >You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why
> he
> > >"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign
> split
> > >from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
> position for
> > >some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the
> streets
> > >and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see
> having
> > >gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
> authority. The
> > >people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
> consider
> > >helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
> back on NB
> > >youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
> "mountains" the
> > >office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise
> you should
> > >"help but comment".
> > >
> > >Tamara
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... >To:
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@y... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> > >garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001
> 00:52:14 >
> > > >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of
> history
> > >pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the
> "budding
> > >youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the
> steering
> > >committee? why is that exactly? why would i want someone like that to be my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is
> necessary to
> > >ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of
> the
> > >general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your
> narrow
> > >understanding of political >development. that is the nature of
> tactical
> > >alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the
> campaign
> > >than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task,
> so is
> > >making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. >
> >ps. the
> > >clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the
> may'00
> > >peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason
> hankins
> > >was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board
> seat. njfo
> > >("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as
> now)after
> > >"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the
> nb
> > >republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe
> smith's
> > >election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on
> grounds
> > >that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the
> outreach
> > >committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather
> then
> > >relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as
> > >republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar >
> >pimped
> > >this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather
> than
> > >unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it
> is the
> > >republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the
> "peoples'"
> > >campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself
> immediately, &
> > >drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be
> exposed
> > >and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal
> appointment &
> > >back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. >
> > > >all
> > >eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining >
> >projects
> > >residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must
> immediately
> > >stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state
> legislature to
> > >crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st,
> residence of
> > >nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the
> garbage
> > >can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the
> people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > >you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
> wanting
> > >to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain
> from it,
> > >besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring
> about
> > >_________________________________________________________________
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women unite! remember the history of struggle of the women who have come before us. meet to discuss & organize around women's issues in our community as part of an all-women's caucus. sunday march 25, 1pm at the monument square fountain ninety years ago on march 25, 1911, 146 workers were killed in the triangle shirtwaist factory fire. almost all the workers were young women under the age of 25, 67 of whom were forced to jump out of the 7th, 8th, and 9th floor windows because of the absence of any sprinklers or fire exits. doors were locked to prevent stealing. this event was especially tragic because it occured 2 years after 20,000 garment workers participated in a general strike for 13 weeks and took to the street in order to secure better working conditions, shorter hours and higher wages. the unions accomplished many of their goals, but factories such as the triangle shirtwaist refused to adhere to even the most minimal of the workers' demands. unfortunately, this crime against underpaid, overworked women is not even the most gruesome of either working conditions or factory safety to date. at the time of the triangle shirtwaist fire, women could not vote. ten years later, in 1921, the equal rights amendment was written by suffragist alice paul. it has been introduced in congress every session since 1923. it passed congress in 1972, but failed to be ratified by the necessary 38 states by the july 1982 deadline. it was ratified by 35 states. women must unite in our continuing struggle for self-determination! for info contact sisterhoodNstruggle1@... or maura at 729.7471. equal rights amendment: sec.1- equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the united states or any state on account of sex. sec.2- the congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. sec.3- this amendment shall take effect 2 years after the date of ratification.
paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on the city machine over the question of education because of recent test results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the community organized through the campaign. i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only claim to the community. jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. "splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, imperialism. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> > City University of New York > > The Center for Place, Culture and Politics > > Graduate School & University Center > > Presents: > > Jay Mazur > > > > > > > > President, (UNITE) Union of Needle-trades, Industrial and Textile > > Employees AFL-CIO > > > > The Triangle Fire & The New Internationalism > > > > Jay Mazur is President of the Union of Needle-trades, Industrial and > > Textile Employees (UNITE) and Vice-President of the AFL-CIO. He >pioneered > > the offering of immigration legal services to union members and is a > > leading spokesman for the rights immigrants and refugees and for liberal > > immigration reform. He is a founder of the National Emergency Coalition > > for Haitian Refugees and a member of the Board of Directors of the > > International Rescue Committee. Mr. Mazur is also a member of a number >of > > boards active in efforts to retain manufacturing jobs in the U.S. and > > served as a director of the New York State Urban Development >Corporation. > > He is a member of the Boards of Directors of American ORT, The Atlantic > > Council, Freedom House and the American Ditchley Foundation, and is a > > member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Holocaust Memorial >Council > > and the Labor Advisory Committee for Trade Negotiations and Trade > > Policy/U.S. Department of Labor. > > Tuesday, March 27, 2001 > > 3:30pm > > Room C204/205 > > (one level below the lobby) > > The Graduate School & University Center > > 365 Fifth Avenue (btwn 34th & 35th) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
A coalition of New Brunswick community activists are organizing an election of eligible residents to select a representative to the New Brunswick Housing Authority. We ask for the support of the Housing Authority and the City Council, and are calling residents to attend the Housing Authority meeting at 7:00pm, Wednesday, 28 March at the Schwartz-Robeson Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. George Berry--Pres., NB Homes Tenants' Assoc. Beverly Marshall--Pres., NB Apts. Tenants' Assoc. Joe Mosely--2nd Vice-Chair, NJ Greens Party Alyson Mihalenko--NB resident Tamara Dahan--Sisterhood & Struggle Gigi Thompson--NB resident Frank Bright--Commissioner, NBHA, Chair, NB Republican Party Cliff Smith--Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
FYI, The NBHA meeting begins at 6:45 pm on Wednesday. Those fifteen minutes may be important. And bring snacks (non crunchy) as the meeting will last for a few hours.
x, what ever happened to the survey responses? i thought that was the direction the peoples' campaign must go. the surveys were performed to allow the campaign to organize around community input. why not run the board of education campaign as the top survey result is community control over education? where is center on the survey responses? it seems as the community input has been ignored for a long while now. joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., xavier.hansen@a... wrote: > Hi all, > > The People's Center Committee will meet this coming > > TUESDAY, 3/27/01 at 9PM > 95 Baldwin Street > > Anyone interested is encouraged to come. > (If you need a ride, call Xavier at 735-1342) > > As we decided at the People's Campaign's last General > Meeting (following Debra Key''s proposal), we will begin > planning for the opening of a People's Campaign Center > for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for > grassroots political activism and community cultural > activities in New Brunswick. Among other points, we will > focus on: > > -Finding potential sites > > -Gathering resources and volunteers > > -Raising necessary funds > > -Promoting the plan for the People's Center throughout > the New Brunswick community. > > Hope to see you there. > > In unity, > > Xavier
then, bas, what is "questionable"? your organizations support for
republicans is the only thing that comes to mind!
joe
>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
>right!
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:36:08
>
>no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i can't
>understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic accusations.
>
>
> >From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:05:59
> >-0000
> >
> >Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
> >wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he possibly
>gain
> >from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own community?
> >Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's Campaign
> >should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying to
> >represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than
>Jason,
> >or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the campaign"
>more
> >important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> >Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is and who
> >it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
>control
> >over their community or republicans who can get funds and office spaces?
> >You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why he
> >"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign split
> >from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this position
>for
> >some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the
>streets
> >and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see having
> >gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing authority. The
> >people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you consider
> >helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your back on
>NB
> >youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what "mountains" the
> >office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you
>should
> >"help but comment".
> >
> >Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> >
> > >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of history
> >pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the "budding
> >youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the
>steering
> >committee? why is that exactly? why would I >want someone like that to be
> >my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to
> >ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the
> >general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow
> >understanding of political >development. that is the nature of tactical
> >alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the campaign
> >than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task, so is
> >making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. > >ps.
>the
> >clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the may'00
> >peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason
>hankins
> >was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board seat.
>njfo
> >("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after
> >"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the nb
> >republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe
>smith's
> >election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on grounds
> >that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the
>outreach
> >committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather then
> >relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as
> >republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar > >pimped
> >this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather than
> >unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it is
>the
> >republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the
>"peoples'"
> >campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, &
> >drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed
> >and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment &
> >back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. > > >
> >all
> >eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining > >projects
> >residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must
>immediately
> >stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state legislature to
> >crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of
> >nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the garbage
> >can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the
>people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get
> >your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > What are
> >you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
>wanting
> >to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain from it,
> >besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring about
> >_________________________________________________________________ Get
>your
> >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Good day friends, I found this gem on the Food Not Bombs egroups message board. It was posted by Diane Krauthamer to whom I just sent a thank you note for circulating this super piece of work. Enjoy! Anna [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hopefully this time the attachment will stick to the message. Anna alwargo@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:52:37 -0500 (EST) From: Elizabeth Weill-greenberg <elizabew@...> To: jagross@... Subject: TEACH-IN, this Thur, 3/29, 8pm (fwd) Demarest Main Lounge, 8pm, March 29, Thu Teach-In on the Construction of Punishment in US Society: Racism and Classism in the US Justice System Lecturer:Dr. Richard Kempter, prof at John Jay, activist and retired prison psychologist Part of RU Ignite's Education Not Incarceration Week Please feel free to bring your org's lit. Refreshments will be served. See you there! -Buffy 732-745-1482 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...>
wrote:
A few points ought to be made in response:
1) Your group seems to endlessly put Mr. Hankins up on a pedestal,
which comes across as boundlessly weird. Since you're all, presuming,
in your early to mid 20's, and he's a NBHS student of about 17 years
of age, something seems ethically out-of-whack.
2) The (first) steering committee was elected democratically at the
May convention by a relatively large meeting of individuals of a
fairly evenly balanced variety of backgrounds and areas of residence
in the city. Jason Hankins was nominated, and that nomination was
submitted to a vote fairly. He gave a speech, like everyone else.
And then he did not win the election. How do you read a conspiracy
against him into this? Is democracy only valid on principle if you
win?
3) It could also be argued that it is not surprising that he lost. I
recall his speech, and it was lousy. He was hunched over the podium.
He was sort of mumbling. He recited some stock lines about
'democracy' that sounded like they had been spoonfed. I think they
were mostly slogans straight off of Block on Lock's flyers. In short,
he gave the audience, many of whom had no personal acquaintance with
the majority of the nominees, no reason to vote for him. And he gave
them reasons, in turn, to not vote for him. He certainly deserved to
prove that he was more mature than his (chronological) age would
suggest him as being. But he did not quite prove himself to transcend
that presumption.
I apologize if this does not seem _superbly_ polite, but I think all
of the points above are quite worth making, and entirely valid. I
only mention them because nobody has said them as of yet.
Yours,
Jeremy
> Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
for
> wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he
possibly gain
> from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own
community?
> Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's
Campaign
> should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
to
> represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than
Jason,
> or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
campaign" more
> important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
and who
> it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
control
> over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
spaces?
> You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why
he
> "split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign
split
> from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
position for
> some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the
streets
> and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see
having
> gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
authority. The
> people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
consider
> helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
back on NB
> youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
"mountains" the
> office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you
should
> "help but comment".
>
> Tamara
>
>
> >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on
the
> >right!
> >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> >
> >i can't help but comment:
> >
> >i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
strike you
> >as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the
Campaign once
> >he
> >wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
would I
> >want someone like that to be my leader?
> >
> >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
yourself
> >with
> >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
( a
> >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
political
> >development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
office
> >space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
like
> >raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
elements
> >of a campaign come to pass.
> >
> >ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> >
> >kristina
> >
> > >
> > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
final
> > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
liar
> > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
elected
> > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a
communist.).
> > >
> > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
(motorcades...),
> > >and possible victory.
> > >
> > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
enlist
> > > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim
liar
> > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
power
> > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
right
> > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
isolated.
> > >
> > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
allocated
> > > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican
party
> > >chair dim liar.
> > >
> > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> >
> What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior
motives for
> wanting to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to
gain
> from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying
to bring
> about
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
do you remember that anti-nike email for a few weeks back? once again, I LOVE THE INTERNET! THE NATION FEATURE STORY | April 9, 2001 My Nike Media Adventure by JONAH PERETTI Nike's website allows visitors to create custom shoes bearing a word or slogan--a service Nike trumpets as being about freedom to choose and freedom to express who you are. Confronted with Nike's celebration of freedom and their statement that if you want it done right, build it yourself, I could not help but think of the people in crowded factories in Asia and South America who actually build Nike shoes. As a challenge to Nike, I ordered a pair of shoes customized with the word "sweatshop." Nike rejected my request, marking the beginning of a correspondence between me and the company [see box]. None of Nike's messages addressed the company's legendary labor abuses, and their avoidance of the issue created an impression even worse than an admission of guilt. In mid-January I forwarded the whole e-mail correspondence to a dozen friends, and since that time it has raced around the Internet, reaching millions of people, even though I did not participate at all in its further proliferation. The e-mail began to spread widely thanks to a collection of strangers, scattered around the world, who took up my battle with Nike. Nike's adversary was an amorphous group of disgruntled consumers connected by a decentralized network of e-mail addresses. Although the press has presented my battle with Nike as a David versus Goliath parable, the real story is the battle between a company like Nike, with access to the mass media, and a network of citizens on the Internet who have only micromedia at their disposal. INTERACT Print this article E-mail this article Write to the editors MORE ABOUT... Jonah Peretti Sweatshops Everyone knows about the power of mass media, especially Nike. Nike is primarily a brand; its main product is advertisements rather than shoes or clothing. By spending nearly a billion dollars a year, Nike gains access to all major media outlets. Nike broadcasts a message that equates its famous swoosh with freedom, revolution and personal exuberance. Of course, this image is sharply at odds with the oppressive conditions faced by Nike factory workers. Nike's celebration of freedom never reached the ears of the Indonesian woman who had to trade sexual favors to get her job or the Mexican worker who was struck with a hammer by his angry manager. Both of these violations were reported earlier this year, and similarly graphic episodes have been discovered regularly over the past ten years. However, even with the benefit of these reports, activists have had trouble counteracting the lure of Nike's slick TV ads and high-profile endorsements. Micromedia has the potential to reach just as many people as mass media, especially in the emerging networked economy. Most e-mail forwards die before they are widely distributed, but if critical mass is attained, it is possible to reach millions of people without spending any money at all. Another benefit is that each person receives the e-mail from a friend, often with a personal recommendation such as "I thought you would like this," or "This is really funny." So the audience is preselected for its receptivity to the message. When a recipient does enjoy the message, he or she can begin the process again by reforwarding it. It takes so little effort for each person to pass the message to multiple recipients that an idea can almost seem to be spreading on its own, like a self-replicating virus. Nike has the advantage when it comes to mass media, but activists may have the advantage with micromedia. I discovered this accidentally when I sent my Nike e-mails to a few friends. My small group of friends may be divided from everyone else in the world by only six degrees of separation, but until the large-scale adoption of the Internet, this did not have such dramatic consequences. I never expected my conversation with Nike to be so widely distributed; the e-mail began to proliferate without my participation. The only force propelling the message was the collective action of those who thought it was worth forwarding. Unions, church groups, activists, teachers, mothers, schoolchildren and members of the US armed forces sent me letters of support. This contradicts Nike's claim that only fringe groups identify with anti-Nike sentiment. Rather, an expansive group of people from all walks of life are concerned about sweatshop labor and are dismayed by Nike's brand hegemony. But the Nike e-mails did not reach these people all at once. Like all micromedia, the Nike e-mails jumped haphazardly around a network defined by personal relationships. The first people to get the message were friends or friends of friends who tended to be left-leaning and interested in technology. At this point, I received responses from people like Johana Shull, a college student in California, who informed me that she posted the Nike e-mails to her sociology class discussion list to support their discussion of freedom of expression as it relates to pop culture. As the message spread, it began circulating among die-hard activists who saw it as supporting their life's mission. The tone changed the day I got an urgent message from someone who called himself Biker-X. His query: "Please confirm if the entire Nike exchange took place for me. Inquiring activists want to know." In the coming days the message would race through the anti-Nike, culture-jamming, activist community. At this point, I was getting twenty or thirty e-mails a day, mostly from the United States and Britain, and I assumed that the circulation had peaked. Then, something interesting happened. The micromedia message began to work its way into the mass media. This transformation was helped along by postings on media startups Plastic.com and Slashdot.org, two sites that use an innovative publishing technique somewhere between micro- and mass media. These democratic sites blur the line between editors and readers, so that Internet buzz can be transformed into a hotly debated news item seen by thousands of people. Reporters from traditional media outlets noticed posts on these sites or received the e-mail forward directly from friends, with notes saying things like, "You should really do a story about this." At first articles appeared in technology-focused and left-leaning publications like the San Jose Mercury News, Shey.net, Salon.com, the Village Voice and In These Times. But soon mainstays like Time, the BBC, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal and Business Week were covering the story. NBC's Today show flew me to New York for an appearance on national television. In almost every case, the reporters noted that they discovered the story online or heard about it from a close friend. Fatigued by PR-driven pitches, journalists saw the Nike e-mails as an opportunity to discover a story for themselves. As the mass-media attention grew, so did the circulation of the e-mail. I began receiving 500 messages a day, sent from Australia, Asia, Africa and South America. The majority were letters of support or messages, like the one from Katy Joyce, to verify whether I was a real person or just an urban myth. Those who assumed I was real started to request advice about politics, economics and the kind of shoes they should buy. I knew the message had spread well beyond my circle of friends when I was cc'd this message from a man named George Walden: "I get a kick out of these elitist, eggheads and their self-serving, selfrighteous 'rain forest' ethics and contrived secular pieties. Somebody should burn 'sweatshop' into this foolish c**ksucking faggot's forehead with a cigarette." On the other extreme, I also began to receive marriage proposals and correspondence that could be described as fan mail. Thankfully, my e-mail volume is finally back down to fewer than a hundred messages a day, and the media blitz is tapering off. The exchange is working its way into sociology textbooks, viral marketing seminars, business-school cases and doctoral dissertations. My guess is that in the long run this episode will have a larger impact on how people think about media than how they think about Nike and sweatshop labor. This larger lesson suggests an exciting opportunity for activists. The dynamics of decentralized distribution systems and peer-to-peer networks are as counterintuitive as they are powerful. By understanding these dynamics, new forms of social protest become possible, with the potential to challenge some of the constellations of power traditionally supported by the mass media. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
what hankins said was much better than what bright had to say! plus the work
he had accomplished leading up to the convention was 1000X more important
than anything bright did as well as yourself and njfo. bright openly
attacked communism and was still embraced by njfo for steering committee.
for revolutionary democracy... and snuggle up to republicans. f your ethics.
their was conspiracy on behalf of njfo in other circumstances also. putting
zofia on "a pedestal" for the school board campaign to run against myself.
peoples' campaign and bourgeois democracy, so happy together.
joe
>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
>right!
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:42:57 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...>
>wrote:
>
>A few points ought to be made in response:
>
>1) Your group seems to endlessly put Mr. Hankins up on a pedestal,
>which comes across as boundlessly weird. Since you're all, presuming,
>in your early to mid 20's, and he's a NBHS student of about 17 years
>of age, something seems ethically out-of-whack.
>
>2) The (first) steering committee was elected democratically at the
>May convention by a relatively large meeting of individuals of a
>fairly evenly balanced variety of backgrounds and areas of residence
>in the city. Jason Hankins was nominated, and that nomination was
>submitted to a vote fairly. He gave a speech, like everyone else.
>And then he did not win the election. How do you read a conspiracy
>against him into this? Is democracy only valid on principle if you
>win?
>
>3) It could also be argued that it is not surprising that he lost. I
>recall his speech, and it was lousy. He was hunched over the podium.
>He was sort of mumbling. He recited some stock lines about
>'democracy' that sounded like they had been spoonfed. I think they
>were mostly slogans straight off of Block on Lock's flyers. In short,
>he gave the audience, many of whom had no personal acquaintance with
>the majority of the nominees, no reason to vote for him. And he gave
>them reasons, in turn, to not vote for him. He certainly deserved to
>prove that he was more mature than his (chronological) age would
>suggest him as being. But he did not quite prove himself to transcend
>that presumption.
>
>I apologize if this does not seem _superbly_ polite, but I think all
>of the points above are quite worth making, and entirely valid. I
>only mention them because nobody has said them as of yet.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
> > Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
>for
> > wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he
>possibly gain
> > from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own
>community?
> > Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's
>Campaign
> > should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
>to
> > represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than
>Jason,
> > or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
>campaign" more
> > important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> > Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
>and who
> > it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
>control
> > over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
>spaces?
> > You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why
>he
> > "split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign
>split
> > from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
>position for
> > some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the
>streets
> > and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see
>having
> > gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
>authority. The
> > people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
>consider
> > helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
>back on NB
> > youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
>"mountains" the
> > office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you
>should
> > "help but comment".
> >
> > Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on
>the
> > >right!
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> > >
> > >i can't help but comment:
> > >
> > >i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
>strike you
> > >as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the
>Campaign once
> > >he
> > >wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
>would I
> > >want someone like that to be my leader?
> > >
> > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
>yourself
> > >with
> > >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
>( a
> > >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
>political
> > >development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
>office
> > >space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
>like
> > >raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
>elements
> > >of a campaign come to pass.
> > >
> > >ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> > >
> > >kristina
> > >
> > > >
> > > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
>final
> > > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
>liar
> > > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
>elected
> > > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a
>communist.).
> > > >
> > > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
>(motorcades...),
> > > >and possible victory.
> > > >
> > > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>enlist
> > > > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim
>liar
> > > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > > >
> > > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
>power
> > > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > > >
> > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
>right
> > > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
>isolated.
> > > >
> > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > > >
> > > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > > >
> > > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>allocated
> > > > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > > >
> > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican
>party
> > > >chair dim liar.
> > > >
> > > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________
> > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> > >
> > What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior
>motives for
> > wanting to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to
>gain
> > from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying
>to bring
> > about
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
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Joe wrote: "because the ? about building the united front is about **criticism unity criticism** and exposing the true enemies of the people" Joe, go back and actually read the theory. The scientific, dialectical formulation is "unity, struggle, unity" or "unity, struggle, transformation." Maybe this is the problem with your dogmatic attacks on Curtis, and why BOL/SWORDs methods have consistantly made united front work impossible. In other words, **criticism unity criticism** is antithetical to building the united front/left bloc. Matt Original Message ---------------- paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on the city machine over the question of education because of recent test results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the community organized through the campaign. i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only claim to the community. jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. "splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, imperialism. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
matt, i really have no idea what you're talking about, but you claim again that i make united front work impossible when it has been your organization that has led the splits and expelled organizers. how do you explain curtis supporting the selection of bright? REPUBLICAN AGENDA or agenda of community control? or is that the same thing to the peoples' campaign? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Shadow of a Metaphysician >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:03:18 > >Joe wrote: > >"because the ? about building the united front is about **criticism unity >criticism** and exposing the true enemies of the people" > >Joe, go back and actually read the theory. The scientific, dialectical >formulation is "unity, struggle, unity" or "unity, struggle, >transformation." Maybe this is the problem with your dogmatic attacks on >Curtis, and why BOL/SWORDs methods have consistantly made united front work >impossible. In other words, **criticism unity criticism** is antithetical >to building the united front/left bloc. > >Matt > > >Original Message >---------------- > >paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. >sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting >the >community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the >elected >school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on >the city machine over the question of education because of recent test >results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating >the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a >better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four >thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it >comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the >community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the >community organized through the campaign. > >i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on >getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part >of >the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space >to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only >claim to the community. > >jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign >and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to >curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an >organization >that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with >the >people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can >be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you >got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people >that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to >do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and >praise >the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care >less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of >bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and >you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these >streets >will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. > >as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better >embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state >or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. > >"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over >the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy >compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an >insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about >building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing >the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, >imperialism. > >joe > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms and out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take the arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day. look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on the city machine over the question of education because of recent test results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the community organized through the campaign. i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only claim to the community. jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. "splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, imperialism. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on the city machine over the question of education because of recent test results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating the republican candidate. objectively, it would be a better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the community organized through the campaign. i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise the selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of bright is clearly pushing a republican not community control agenda and you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. "splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, imperialism. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that matter. I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's attacks on Curtis. In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for instance. I agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind the struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, and I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get involved with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make them more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs. Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more effective if the parents of the school children were involved and organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL led campaign. I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office space/peoples center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic about this project becoming the main task of the PC. That said, neither do I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan shouldn't get to make use of it when if it ever materializes. There is noone saying that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial. The criticism has been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from NJFO or the PC 2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the people of NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this out) and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model of struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the struggle in the superstructure & politics. Also I don't unite with Paul's belittling of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain standard (which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD began to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & more scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really stop reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with everything written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines and practise rebutting them effectively.) Anyhow, Joe, getting on board Joe Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent use of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer to the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to start an seperate effort that it can control. & I fully support you and anyone else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson Ave, and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods. What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after not being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of alot of the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight on formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the ranks, which is where the people are. Aside from that, I would only imagine that Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have been just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack the popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, bringing us back to where we started. And your logic of **criticism unity criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing to attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody unleashed an all points attack on Joe Smith like: JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian trotskyite splitist bastard!! JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian trotskyite splitist bastard!! JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian trotskyite splitist bastard!! JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian trotskyite splitist bastard!! JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian trotskyite splitist bastard!! ........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity, Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make my argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track record and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on. --Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000 matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms and out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take the arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day. look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on the city machine over the question of education because of recent test results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the community organized through the campaign. i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only claim to the community. jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. "splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, imperialism. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(Anyone who would like to submit an additional proposal for the agenda for this meeting can do so by e-mailing to the following address: xavier.hansen@....) NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE�S CAMPAIGN PROPOSED AGENDA FOR THE GENERAL MEETING OF 3-31-01 2:00PM Introduction 2:10PM Approval of the Chair � Tom DeGloma (alternative nominations can be proposed) 2:20PM Approval of the Agenda - (items may be added if supported by the majority) 2:30PM PEOPLE�S CENTER PROJECT � Report from the Committee At our February meeting, we decided to gather resources to open a People�s Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for grassroots political activism and cultural activities in New Brunswick. The committee will brief us on the progress made locating a potential site and on fundraising. 3:00PM PROPOSAL ON MEMBERSHIP AND ABSENTEE BALLOTS RULES At our February meeting, we charged the Steering Committee with the task of developing clear rules for voting by absentee ballots. The proposal drafted by Flavio Komuves was distributed for review at our March meeting. (See below) 3:30PM PROPOSALS ON THE COMING GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS At our March meeting, we planned to discuss the People�s Campaign involvement in the upcoming gubernatorial elections. Several members proposed that we support the candidacy of Democrat Jim McGreevy against either Republican gubernatorial candidate (DiFranscesco or Schundler). The Steering Committee agrees with this proposal and suggests the following immediate tasks: A) To form a committee to approach the McGreevy campaign and discuss with them the possible scope of our involvement and the resources they would make available to us. B) To organize a forum/discussion for all campaign members and supporters to discuss our role in the gubernatorial elections and how supporting the candidacy of Jim McGreevy would further the goals of the People�s Campaign. 4:00PM ELECTION OF STEERING COMMITTEE ALTERNATE MEMBERS At our February meeting, we decided to elect two alternate members to the Steering Committee who could take the place of permanent Steering Committee members should they become unable to fulfill their duties. 4:30PM ORGANIZING SESSION After we have decided on our course of action, we propose to focus the last half hour of the meeting on determing the various tasks required to carry out our decisions and finding volunteers to fulfill each of them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Because the Steering Committee lacked quorum last night, amendments to the agenda were not possible. However, I wanted to alert everyone that there at least 3 modifications being considered as an offer from the floor. 1. To limit the first three items to five minutes each, not ten, and the remaining items to 20 minutes each, not 30. This will allow more time for some "real" work in the form of the organizing session planned for the end of the meeting. 2. To add time to receive a report from Paul McGee and Justin Boswell on the NBPC flyer they promised to prepare by this meeting. 3. To add a proposal that NBPC join the Coalition for Justice. CFJ is a coalition in which the Edison/Metuchen NAACP, inter alia, is organizing an anti-police brutality march in Trenton. Comments on the main agenda or on these or other proposed amendments are welcome here.
to expand on point #3 there are many other organizations throughout the state on board and many more coming, see list below. the CFJ is in need of organizers to help spread the word (organize) for the march. locally there is a forum April 4 @ Paul Robeson Culture Center themed Defeat Racist Profiling with attention being paid to the anniversery of Dr. King's murder. there is a group headed to trenton on saturday to distribute literature in the neighborhoods and on busy sidewalks. any peoples interested in helping promote forum or heading to trenton on saturday can contact can_bush@... some poeple are travelling to trenton this wednesday(tomorrow) to demand the impeachment of peter verneiro, who will be questioned by senate committee about racist profiling. or to just get involved with CFJ and what they might be doing to promote march contact larry hamm 1.973.801.0001 or minister linnie mohammad lmuhammad44@... statewide organizing meeting is april 7 at 2:00 in trenton. local organizing meeting is april 8 at 1:00 new brunswick library. joe here are the organizations involved to this point- JOE- AS OF MARCH 9, 2001, THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ARE SOME OF THE SPONSORS OF THE MARCH ON TRENTON: PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS, NEW JERSEY STATE CONFERENCE OF NAACP BRANCHES, BLACK MINISTERS' COUNCIL OF NJ, TRENTON BRANCH NAACP, NJ BLACK ISSUES CONVENTION, NJ MILLION FAMILY MARCH COALITION, BLACK COPS AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, CWA LOCAL 1033, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 44, TRENTON MILLION MAN MARCH COALITION, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 25, SAVE OUR CHILDREN, IMANI CHURCH, HOPEWELL ANTI-RACIST, CAMDEN LOGISTICAL ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE, TRENTON VICTORY ANGLES, STUDENT/WORKER ORGANIZATION FOR REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY, COMMITTEE TO DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING & POLICE BRUTALITY, SISTERHOOD & STRUGGLE, AND CHAIN BREAKERS DOUGLASS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
THE PROPOSAL REGARDING MEMBERSHIP OF THE CAMPAIGN AND ABSENTEE BALLOT REGULATIONS (REFERENCED IN THE AGENDA POSTED BY JULIE POULOS) APPEARS BELOW. MEMBERSHIP OF THE CAMPAIGN A. Members of the Campaign are: 1. New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens or not, upon appearing at a general meeting or a convention meeting; 2. Non-New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens or not, who have within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign, upon attending a full general meeting or convention meeting; and 3. Any person under age 13, whether a citizen or not, who has within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign. B. A person who supports the Campaign and who has performed actual work for the Campaign but whose schedule does not allow them to attend meetings becomes a member upon submitting a notice of the same to the Steering Committee. C. A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to the purposes of the Campaign. ABSENTEE BALLOT REGULATIONS of the NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN 1. Attendance at Campaign meetings is a right of all Campaign members. However, because all Members may be unable to attend every meeting, and mindful that nonattendance at a meeting, without more, should not disqualify a Member from participating in decisions of the organization, these Absentee Ballot Regulations are adopted, effective immediately. 2. Absentee ballots may be cast by any Member of the Campaign who will not be attending a meeting. However, absentee ballots may only be used as to elections for campaign offices or candidate endorsements. They may not be used to vote on resolutions, policies, or proposals. 3. For an absentee ballot to be valid, the Member desiring to vote by absentee ballot must contact a Steering Committee member to inform him or her of their intentions at least 24 hours in advance of the meeting. 4. At the outset of a meeting, each Steering Committee member who has been contacted about absentee ballots shall either file a written list or verbally declare a list, of persons who have contacted them to vote by absentee ballot. 5. An absentee ballot may be cast telephonically or by paper. 6. A telephonic absentee vote shall be cast as follows. The Member shall make telephonic contact with a person present at the meeting. The Member shall then orally give his or her vote to at least two of the election tellers responsible for counting who shall then record the vote. The tellers receiving the vote are both sworn to secrecy with regard to how the voter voted. 7. A paper absentee ballot shall be cast as follows. The Member shall place a paper, stating the office to be voted upon and the candidate(s) for whom the votes are cast shall be placed into a sealed envelope. On the envelope, the voter shall write or type the following: "I AM A MEMBER OF THE NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLES CAMPAIGN AND I VOTED THIS BALLOT IN SECRET" and shall sign and print their name directly below that. The election tellers, after confirming that the absentee voter is a member and after being satisfied of the authenticity of the ballot, shall count any such paper ballot in their election returns and are sworn to secrecy with regard to how the voter voted.
matt wrote: Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more effective if the parents of the school children were involved and organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL led campaign. BOL consisted of many city youth who had taken over and led the outreach committe i.e. every saturday and sunday there was 1/2 dozen nb youth out gathering survey's and also it was the nb youths' involvement that made the motorcade so successful. these two particulars were the most visible projects of the peoples' campaign (besides fliers on poles) these projects reached and touched the community. yes these youths parents were not organized that much outside of the childrens involvement, but that was much much more than previous years. so we have developed through our work, not just waitin around and criticizing others. the nbpc didn't even knock on one door to gather one valid signature to talk with parents and put the question of the elected school board on the ballot, so how do you expain this attempt to organize the parents - which you claim would be so effective. but they still claimed leadership of the campaign which is absolutely fucked up. the more nbpc lets xavier (or any others) win votes to work on issues not based on the survey results and campaign platform, the futher removed the campaign is from the community - office space or not. the mentality and consciousness of the nbpc must be a reflection of the consciousness of the community. otherwise it is just some "advanced" clique of peoples putting flags in their heads and claiming themselves leaders. joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a metaphysician >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:02:39 > >Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that matter. >I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's attacks >on Curtis. In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs >criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of >comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for instance. I >agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind the >struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, and >I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get >involved >with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make >them >more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs. >Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more >effective if the parents of the school children were involved and >organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL led >campaign. > >I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office space/peoples >center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic >about this project becoming the main task of the PC. That said, neither do >I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan shouldn't >get to make use of it when if it ever materializes. There is noone saying >that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial. The criticism has >been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from NJFO >or the PC 2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the people of >NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this >out) >and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model of >struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the >struggle >in the superstructure & politics. Also I don't unite with Paul's >belittling >of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain standard >(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD >began >to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & more >scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really stop >reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with everything >written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines and >practise rebutting them effectively.) Anyhow, Joe, getting on board Joe >Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent use >of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer to >the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to >start >an seperate effort that it can control. & I fully support you and anyone >else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson Ave, >and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods. > >What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after not >being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of alot of >the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight on >formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the ranks, >which is where the people are. Aside from that, I would only imagine that >Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have been >just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack the >popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, bringing >us back to where we started. And your logic of **criticism unity >criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing to >attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody unleashed an >all points attack on Joe Smith like: > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian >trotskyite splitist bastard!! >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian >trotskyite splitist bastard!! >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian >trotskyite splitist bastard!! >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian >trotskyite splitist bastard!! >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > >........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity, >Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make my >argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track record >and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're >willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on. > >--Matthew > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000 > >matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is >you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms and >out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take >the >arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day. > >look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe > >paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. >sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting >the >community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the >elected >school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on >the city machine over the question of education because of recent test >results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating >the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a >better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four >thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it >comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the >community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the >community organized through the campaign. > >i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on >getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part >of >the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space >to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only >claim to the community. > >jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign >and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to >curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an >organization >that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with >the >people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can >be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you >got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people >that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to >do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and >praise >the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care >less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of >bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and >you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these >streets >will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. > >as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better >embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state >or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. > >"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over >the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy >compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an >insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about >building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing >the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, >imperialism. > >joe >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! 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paul, i think this is awesome. you need to seriously email this to them like every day. pester pester pester till someone gives us a chance!!! >From: "Arthouse 559" <arthouse559@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Assata Shakur and the New Brunswick movement >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:38:35 -0500 > >This is a message I sent to Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! crew. This >followed an email exchange I had with one of their producers. I think we >can >do more outreach based on this model. Check it out--Paul > > >Dear Kris Abrams and the Democracy Now! crew, > >We corresponded on March 8th after Democracy Now! played a recording of >Assata Shakur talking about the prison-industrial complex. I emailed you >right after the show and asked if I could replay the recording at a poetry >event that I work on. > >Kris emailed me back and said that would be fine. She also wrote that if we >have stuff worth covering in New Brunswick, then she wants to hear about >it. >So I sent Kris the following email to her account. I wanted to resend the >message to the democracy now! email acct. > >I explained that Assata Shakur is a local hero where I live, in New >Brunswick, NJ, and that many people I know have languished in the jails and >prisons where Assata was illegal held. The Assata recording really >resonates >with what we do in New Brunswick. I thought that Democracy Now! might be >interested in checking out the New Brunswick scene. > >We have a vibrant activist community in New Brunswick, and one of the >feature events we do is called Arthouse. Arthouse is a poetry, music and >performance art event which features local and regional talent and >encourages people to make their own art in the name of progressive issues >and freedom. Basically, we say everyone has a voice and they need to use it >to fight for their rights and for the collective advancement of the >majority. > >Here's my original message: > >Dear Kris, > Again I want to thank you for your email. I want to bring up what we >do >in > New Brunswick. There is a long history of activism in many ideological > traditions in New Brunswick. We're home to Rutgers U., the state >school >of > NJ. During the 60s, students sat in the univ. pres's office to >protest >the > Vietnam War. During the 80s, large groups moved for divestment in >South > Africa and against the violence in Central America. In the 90s, >students > mobilized to take back campus space for women and fight against a >racist > Rutgers president. > > New Brunswick is also the world hq of Johnson and Johnson, and the >city >has > been characterized by slash and burn redevelopment in the years since >the > race riots of the sixties. The permanent residents are 85% black and >latino, > and suffer prolonged poverty, disenfranchisement and political >repression > dating back to the days of Jim Crow. > > Following these trends, some longstanding activist groups came >together >early > last year to create an agenda to reverse the climate of corporate >control and > political corruption that has long characterized this "Democrat" Party >town. > We formed the New Brunswick People's Campaign, comprised of longtime > residents and students who are black, white and latino. We developed >a > platform around community control of local institutions and civil >rights. We > ran the most successful independent challenge to the Democrat Party >Machine > to date, and got 30% of the vote (despite severe repression, the most > successful independent ticket in the tri-State area) in the city >council > campaign on our first try. > > As the city council campaign grew, we developed Arthouse as an >independent > event meant to champion the need for space for people to express >themselves. > We held numerous events with poetry, hip hop, folk, a live band, and a > diverse crowd. The show has become one of the centerpieces of our >diverse > and growing activist community. We're fighting to liberate space in >which > people can speak for their rights and can express themselves >artistically to > each other. > > We think our work represents a model which needs to be broadcast to >people > all over the country in this age of privatization and rollbacks of >rights. I > want to invite you and a sound crew to the April Arthouse, where we'll >spray > all kinds of expression related to the movement we're trying to build. >I > hope to hear from you soon. > > Yours, Paul McGee >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
joe, your accusations that njfo manipulates the campaign to do our evil (republican) bidding make you hard to take seriously. it's truly laughable. you seriously dis the dozens of campaign activists who are not in njfo, who have nothing to do with njfo, who have done more work for the community than you know. what i want to know, if the campaign is so contemptable, so 'petty-bourgeois', so 'behind the people', so fucked up, then why keep bothering us? why be on this egroups and take part in the same discussions with the same people? why exactly? are you trying to win us over to the 'right' line? you don't even understand how far from reality your accusations are. the hours and hours spent canvassing, organizing, planning... these are all lost on you and BoL (probably because you weren't there for any of it). you will never acknowledge that the campaign was a serious victory because you were not at the helm. kristina the nbpc didn't even knock on one >door to gather one valid signature to talk with parents and put the >question >of the elected school board on the ballot, so how do you expain this >attempt >to organize the parents - which you claim would be so effective. but they >still claimed leadership of the campaign which is absolutely fucked up. the >more nbpc lets xavier (or any others) win votes to work on issues not based >on the survey results and campaign platform, the futher removed the >campaign >is from the community - office space or not. the mentality and >consciousness >of the nbpc must be a reflection of the consciousness of the community. >otherwise it is just some "advanced" clique of peoples putting flags in >their heads and claiming themselves leaders. > >joe > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a metaphysician > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:02:39 > > > >Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that matter. > >I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's >attacks > >on Curtis. In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs > >criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of > >comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for instance. >I > >agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind the > >struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, >and > >I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get > >involved > >with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make > >them > >more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs. > >Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more > >effective if the parents of the school children were involved and > >organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL >led > >campaign. > > > >I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office space/peoples > >center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic > >about this project becoming the main task of the PC. That said, neither >do > >I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan shouldn't > >get to make use of it when if it ever materializes. There is noone >saying > >that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial. The criticism >has > >been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from >NJFO > >or the PC 2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the people >of > >NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this > >out) > >and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model >of > >struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the > >struggle > >in the superstructure & politics. Also I don't unite with Paul's > >belittling > >of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain standard > >(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD > >began > >to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & >more > >scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really stop > >reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with >everything > >written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines and > >practise rebutting them effectively.) Anyhow, Joe, getting on board Joe > >Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent >use > >of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer >to > >the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to > >start > >an seperate effort that it can control. & I fully support you and anyone > >else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson Ave, > >and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods. > > > >What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after >not > >being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of alot >of > >the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight on > >formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the ranks, > >which is where the people are. Aside from that, I would only imagine >that > >Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have been > >just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack >the > >popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, >bringing > >us back to where we started. And your logic of **criticism unity > >criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing to > >attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody unleashed >an > >all points attack on Joe Smith like: > > > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > > > > >........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity, > >Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make my > >argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track >record > >and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're > >willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on. > > > >--Matthew > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000 > > > >matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is > >you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms >and > >out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take > >the > >arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day. > > > >look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe > > > >paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen >ave. > >sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting > >the > >community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the > >elected > >school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump >on > >the city machine over the question of education because of recent test > >results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and >beating > >the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be >a > >better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four > >thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as >it > >comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the > >community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the > >community organized through the campaign. > > > >i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on > >getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part > >of > >the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a >space > >to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the >only > >claim to the community. > > > >jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign > >and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to > >curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an > >organization > >that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with > >the > >people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders >can > >be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, >you > >got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of >people > >that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue >to > >do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and > >praise > >the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care > >less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support >of > >bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and > >you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these > >streets > >will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. > > > >as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better > >embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of >state > >or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. > > > >"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from >over > >the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too >busy > >compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an > >insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about > >building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing > >the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, > >imperialism. > > > >joe > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Let the record show the following with regards to the Board of Education campaigns run by two organizations, Campaign for an Elected Board of Education and the New Brunswick Peoples Campaigns Committee for an Elected School Board. These two organizations, I believe, both conducted necessary work towards the school board question. The Campaign for an Elected School Board was largely responsible for collecting the signatures needed to place the question on the ballot. They held regular meetings inviting residents to discuss the question. They got important press hits. They assisted a resident in organizing a rally for an Elected School Board. They conducted one or more mailings to residents on their organized events and on the school board question. This activity was closely associated to other efforts of the members and often included the call for Revolutionary Democracy. They also included a photocopy of NBPC literature with the Campaign for an Elected Board of Education's messages photocopied onto the back, although the NBPC was not aware that this was happening at the time. The NBPC took another tack. We held regular meetings and kept in in-depth touch with a committed group of concerned parents and teachers, including individuals who were leaders in the school system. Our strategy of contacting people was through existing networks via telephone and visits, which we found to have a high rate of success. We developed a piece of literature with the input of parents and teachers that one person said was the best piece of literature put out during the New Brunswick elections, and was highly appreciated by teachers. We spent hours supporting parent and student activists working on school related issues that directly affected their communities. We also challenged the wording of the school board question in court, which was confusing, and won some gains. Through these struggles we also got press for the issue. Our supporters also had to spend time explaining to individuals that literature sent out by the CFESB was not actually from the NBPC, when many individuals got upset upon receiving that mailing, confused into thinking that the two organizations' organizers and platforms were one and the same. This is not a treatise so while I am certain I have forgotten some pieces on both I will stop. Feel free to add or correct any mistakes, as some of this info is from what others have told me. This is to say there were strengths and weaknesses in both campaigns. Lets learn from them and move forward. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
Let the record show the following with regards to the Board of Education campaigns run by two organizations, Campaign for an Elected Board of Education and the New Brunswick Peoples Campaigns Committee for an Elected School Board. These two organizations, I believe, both conducted necessary work towards the school board question. The Campaign for an Elected School Board was largely responsible for collecting the signatures needed to place the question on the ballot. They held regular meetings inviting residents to discuss the question. They got important press hits. They assisted a resident in organizing a rally for an Elected School Board. They conducted one or more mailings to residents on their organized events and on the school board question. This activity was closely associated to other efforts of the members and often included the call for Revolutionary Democracy. They also included a photocopy of NBPC literature with the Campaign for an Elected Board of Education's messages photocopied onto the back, although the NBPC was not aware that this was happening at the time. The NBPC took another tack. We held regular meetings and kept in in-depth touch with a committed group of concerned parents and teachers, including individuals who were leaders in the school system. Our strategy of contacting people was through existing networks via telephone and visits, which we found to have a high rate of success. We developed a piece of literature with the input of parents and teachers that one person said was the best piece of literature put out during the New Brunswick elections, and was highly appreciated by teachers. We spent hours supporting parent and student activists working on school related issues that directly affected their communities. We also challenged the wording of the school board question in court, which was confusing, and won some gains. Through these struggles we also got press for the issue. Our supporters also had to spend time explaining to individuals that literature sent out by the CFESB was not actually from the NBPC, when many individuals got upset upon receiving that mailing, confused into thinking that the two organizations' organizers and platforms were one and the same. This is not a treatise so while I am certain I have forgotten some pieces on both I will stop. Feel free to add or correct any mistakes, as some of this info is from what others have told me. This is to say there were strengths and weaknesses in both campaigns. Lets learn from them and move forward. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
get this out and get other organizations on board. if you prefer e-mail get
it to can_bush@... and i'll forward it immediately.
there is much work to do for this march, anything you can do helps
tremendously.
joe
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kristina, the nbpc did not help put the question on the ballot. nbpc did not collect any validated petition signatures. or do you claim to have done so, because that would be news. that is not to say that nbpc did no work for the campaign, but i was stating this to make a point with matthew. matthew stated that if the parents were organized the campaign would be better (more or less) and i agreed, but i also had to point out the fact that it was BOL that was knocking on doors and meeting the parents to get them involved with the campaign at least enough to get their signature for the petitions. how is that i dis the dozens of people outside of njfo? i never said that the campaign was not a victory, can you explain why you claim that? i am simply pointing to the platform of community control and the surveys of the community with my arguements. that is why i bother with you, because you claim to represent the community. and now, nbpc is placing priorities above the communities needs and demands. and that is what you must deal with. the fact that nbpc is attempting to completly ignore the surveys of the community, which is your only claim to represent it, is a serious mistake. i never criticized your hours of 'canvassing, organizing and planning" on the other hand, and any honest person will tell you, i've supported nbpc 100% against the city machine and encouraged others to join with you. i invited nbpc members to all press and community events i worked on throughout the campaign, not some but every one we organized. in fact with my latest posts, i'm encouraging nbpc to again canvass the nb neighborhoods to put the school board question back on the ballot, did you not read that? but, yes njfo deserves all the criticism it gets and more for it's republican agenda and your time would be better spent addressing it. not avoiding it and trying to throw it back in my face where it don't belong. but you can laugh if you want, comfortably out of town. tenants rights now! republicans in the garbage can! joe >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a little-league pitcher >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:54:02 > >joe, > >your accusations that njfo manipulates the campaign to do our evil >(republican) bidding make you hard to take seriously. it's truly laughable. >you seriously dis the dozens of campaign activists who are not in njfo, who >have nothing to do with njfo, who have done more work for the community >than >you know. > >what i want to know, if the campaign is so contemptable, so >'petty-bourgeois', so 'behind the people', so fucked up, then why keep >bothering us? why be on this egroups and take part in the same discussions >with the same people? why exactly? are you trying to win us over to the >'right' line? > >you don't even understand how far from reality your accusations are. the >hours and hours spent canvassing, organizing, planning... these are all >lost >on you and BoL (probably because you weren't there for any of it). you will >never acknowledge that the campaign was a serious victory because you were >not at the helm. > >kristina > >the nbpc didn't even knock on one > >door to gather one valid signature to talk with parents and put the > >question > >of the elected school board on the ballot, so how do you expain this > >attempt > >to organize the parents - which you claim would be so effective. but they > >still claimed leadership of the campaign which is absolutely fucked up. >the > >more nbpc lets xavier (or any others) win votes to work on issues not >based > >on the survey results and campaign platform, the futher removed the > >campaign > >is from the community - office space or not. the mentality and > >consciousness > >of the nbpc must be a reflection of the consciousness of the community. > >otherwise it is just some "advanced" clique of peoples putting flags in > >their heads and claiming themselves leaders. > > > >joe > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a metaphysician > > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:02:39 > > > > > >Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that >matter. > > >I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's > >attacks > > >on Curtis. In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs > > >criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of > > >comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for >instance. > >I > > >agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind >the > > >struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, > >and > > >I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get > > >involved > > >with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make > > >them > > >more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs. > > >Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more > > >effective if the parents of the school children were involved and > > >organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL > >led > > >campaign. > > > > > >I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office >space/peoples > > >center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic > > >about this project becoming the main task of the PC. That said, >neither > >do > > >I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan >shouldn't > > >get to make use of it when if it ever materializes. There is noone > >saying > > >that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial. The criticism > >has > > >been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from > >NJFO > > >or the PC 2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the >people > >of > > >NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this > > >out) > > >and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model > >of > > >struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the > > >struggle > > >in the superstructure & politics. Also I don't unite with Paul's > > >belittling > > >of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain >standard > > >(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD > > >began > > >to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & > >more > > >scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really >stop > > >reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with > >everything > > >written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines >and > > >practise rebutting them effectively.) Anyhow, Joe, getting on board >Joe > > >Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent > >use > > >of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer > >to > > >the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to > > >start > > >an seperate effort that it can control. & I fully support you and >anyone > > >else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson >Ave, > > >and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods. > > > > > >What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after > >not > > >being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of >alot > >of > > >the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight >on > > >formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the >ranks, > > >which is where the people are. Aside from that, I would only imagine > >that > > >Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have >been > > >just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack > >the > > >popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, > >bringing > > >us back to where we started. And your logic of **criticism unity > > >criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing >to > > >attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody >unleashed > >an > > >all points attack on Joe Smith like: > > > > > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian > > >trotskyite splitist bastard!! > > > > > > > > >........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity, > > >Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make >my > > >argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track > >record > > >and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're > > >willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on. > > > > > >--Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI > > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000 > > > > > >matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it >is > > >you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms > >and > > >out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to >take > > >the > > >arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day. > > > > > >look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe > > > > > >paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen > >ave. > > >sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and >uniting > > >the > > >community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the > > >elected > > >school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump > >on > > >the city machine over the question of education because of recent test > > >results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and > >beating > > >the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would >be > >a > > >better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four > > >thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come >as > >it > > >comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize >the > > >community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of >the > > >community organized through the campaign. > > > > > >i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working >on > > >getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as >part > > >of > > >the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a > >space > > >to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the > >only > > >claim to the community. > > > > > >jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the >campaign > > >and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to > > >curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an > > >organization > > >that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than >with > > >the > > >people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders > >can > > >be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, > >you > > >got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of > >people > > >that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and >continue > >to > > >do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and > > >praise > > >the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could >care > > >less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support > >of > > >bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda >and > > >you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these > > >streets > > >will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year. > > > > > >as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had >better > > >embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of > >state > > >or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance. > > > > > >"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from > >over > > >the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too > >busy > > >compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an > > >insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about > > >building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and >exposing > > >the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, > > >imperialism. > > > > > >joe > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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groovemeister wrote: C. A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to the purposes of the Campaign. if the purpose of the campaign is democratic community control over the istitutions that govern the community, i move that all those that claim this campaign "is not here to tear down any political machines" be immediately investigated. further, if the work of the campaign is to reflect the needs of the community based on 1000 survey results of input, i move that all campaign activities must be developed around this input. the work for an elected school board would then primarily replace that work for a center for out of towners to punch in at. as the community's top survey response IS community control over education and nothing has been put forward for center from the community. therefor all persons placing their own superficial understanding of NB activism in front of the input of the community must be immediately investigated. these investigations should be carried out openly by nbpc members to immediately right the ship and begin sailing towards the objective goal for community control. although it seems as though this campaign is determined on ignoring the community and puting forward personal initiatives in place, i feel that all can be corrected but only through practical tasks. not in meetings, rather on the streets in campaigns for the community. otherwise the community is suffering and nbpc is winning over the enemies of the people. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the
>right!
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:42:57 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...>
>wrote:
>
>A few points ought to be made in response:
>
>1) Your group seems to endlessly put Mr. Hankins up on a pedestal,
>which comes across as boundlessly weird. Since you're all, presuming,
>in your early to mid 20's, and he's a NBHS student of about 17 years
>of age, something seems ethically out-of-whack.
>
>2) The (first) steering committee was elected democratically at the
>May convention by a relatively large meeting of individuals of a
>fairly evenly balanced variety of backgrounds and areas of residence
>in the city. Jason Hankins was nominated, and that nomination was
>submitted to a vote fairly. He gave a speech, like everyone else.
>And then he did not win the election. How do you read a conspiracy
>against him into this? Is democracy only valid on principle if you
>win?
>
>3) It could also be argued that it is not surprising that he lost. I
>recall his speech, and it was lousy. He was hunched over the podium.
>He was sort of mumbling. He recited some stock lines about
>'democracy' that sounded like they had been spoonfed. I think they
>were mostly slogans straight off of Block on Lock's flyers. In short,
>he gave the audience, many of whom had no personal acquaintance with
>the majority of the nominees, no reason to vote for him. And he gave
>them reasons, in turn, to not vote for him. He certainly deserved to
>prove that he was more mature than his (chronological) age would
>suggest him as being. But he did not quite prove himself to transcend
>that presumption.
>
>I apologize if this does not seem _superbly_ polite, but I think all
>of the points above are quite worth making, and entirely valid. I
>only mention them because nobody has said them as of yet.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
> > Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
>for
> > wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he
>possibly gain
> > from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own
>community?
> > Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's
>Campaign
> > should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
>to
> > represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than
>Jason,
> > or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
>campaign" more
> > important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> > Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
>and who
> > it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
>control
> > over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
>spaces?
> > You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why
>he
> > "split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign
>split
> > from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
>position for
> > some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the
>streets
> > and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see
>having
> > gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
>authority. The
> > people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
>consider
> > helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
>back on NB
> > youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
>"mountains" the
> > office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you
>should
> > "help but comment".
> >
> > Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on
>the
> > >right!
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> > >
> > >i can't help but comment:
> > >
> > >i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
>strike you
> > >as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the
>Campaign once
> > >he
> > >wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
>would I
> > >want someone like that to be my leader?
> > >
> > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
>yourself
> > >with
> > >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
>( a
> > >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
>political
> > >development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
>office
> > >space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
>like
> > >raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
>elements
> > >of a campaign come to pass.
> > >
> > >ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> > >
> > >kristina
> > >
> > > >
> > > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
>final
> > > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
>liar
> > > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
>elected
> > > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a
>communist.).
> > > >
> > > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
>(motorcades...),
> > > >and possible victory.
> > > >
> > > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>enlist
> > > > as republican party members for election day privileges. dim
>liar
> > > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > > >
> > > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
>power
> > > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > > >
> > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
>right
> > > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed and
>isolated.
> > > >
> > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > > >
> > > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > > >
> > > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>allocated
> > > > by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > > >
> > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican
>party
> > > >chair dim liar.
> > > >
> > > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >Can you expain why it's "boundlessly weird" to support NB youth gettin
>involved with the struggle for community control? I think it's "weirder"
>for the PC to support republicans and turn their backs on the youth. Maybe
>if Jason's posture was better and his speech polished then he would have
>won- oh, but he couldn't get an office space so probably not- right?
> > >_________Tamara________________________________________________________
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> > >
> > What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior
>motives for
> > wanting to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to
>gain
> > from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying
>to bring
> > about
> > _________________________________________________________________
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PEOPLES WAW ON THUH RIGHT KAW MAWX IS MY HERO MAWX, YEAH MAWX. REV-UH-LUTION. you don like mawx? what's that suppos'd to mean? where can I get njfo's position on the appointment of cliff's weebus in my mowff??? I WROTE A POEM IT'S CALLED "FOR MAWX" FOR MAWX --------- mawx is my hero kawl is my friend my mowff's full ah pee and that is the end yours, Bill Rubin aka bilirubin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
This yahoogroup continues to escalate in its level of disrespect for people and indecency. Many members of the campaign have unsubscribed or simply remained mute, blown away for along time at the rantings that get posted on this site, often by people who are not even members of the campaign. From its inception, the yahoogroup was designed as an open space for communication, to encourage openness and dialogue. We very specifically discussed the need to not have discussion closed off from anyone inside or outside of the campaign, in order to promote openness and honesty. Unfortunately, "dialogue" has degenerated to diatribe, and for a long time, people have been attacked, shut out by voluminous ranting, or have left the list. Many of those remaining on the list including myself have not reacted to these diatribes, assuming that a response would only incite more. At some point, though, in my opinion, enough is enough. This list does not represent the membership of the New Brunswick Peoples Campaign. I propose that this Saturday we discuss what can be done to turn this listserve back in to a forum that encourages sharing of information and ideas. Zofia Nowakowski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text
let's see if this attachment opens... >From: "love not fear" <love_not_fear@...> >To: krisbas@... >Subject: from anna >Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:11:31 -0500 > >DevCo document. Please post. Thank you. =) Anna _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kristina: Regrettably, this list does not allow for attachments. I don't know who the list owner is, or whether s/he even has this power, but if possible it should be altered. Does anyone else have some answers in that regard On a related note, where are you and Anna getting the files in question? They seem interesting and if I can subscribe to that source I would like to do so.
Anna Wargo was trying to forward some interesting research done on DevCo by a friend of hers. I think we will get a hold of some hard copies of this document, and then make them available in person. that might be easier. will let you know what happens. >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Attachments >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:20:36 -0000 > >Kristina: > >Regrettably, this list does not allow for attachments. I don't know >who the list owner is, or whether s/he even has this power, but if >possible it should be altered. Does anyone else have some answers in >that regard > >On a related note, where are you and Anna getting the files in >question? They seem interesting and if I can subscribe to that >source I would like to do so. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
anyone who hasn't had the chance to see the home news today, thursday, should go to homenews tribune.com (two words) and click on east brunswick home news tribune. they have a photo of a banner "defeat racist profiling" that i brought to trenton yesterday. the picture in the actual paper is front page and huge and headline reads, "verneiro in hotseat". the questioning of verneiro was tremendous to be a part of and i encourage all to get involved with this march on trenton may 16. SWORD will be heading to trenton this saturday to meet up with nation of islam and community members to flier and reach out to community in order to build local base/support for march. also, locally the committee to defeat racist profiling is organizing a forum on april 4 to commemorate the racist murder of a true civil rights organizer, king jr. the forum is themed defeat racist profiling and police brutality and will be held in the multi-purpose room of the paul robeson cultural center. we embrace the attitude "defeat" because that is what it will take. slavery did not just stop one day, it was defeated (at least that phase) and now we again must approach racist proiling and police brutality with the same manner. contact can_bush@... for further deatails about events. help promote these events, contact me and i'll drop fliers at your house to help promote local events. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
TO THE EDITOR: (FOR PUBLICATION) New Jersey's Election Law requires a county board of elections to redistrict a town whenever voting districts there become too large, too small, or too inconvenient for voters. The March 23 Home News reported that the Middlesex Board of Elections recently shirked these legal duties as to New Brunswick. The Board's regrettable inaction virtually assures that chaos and confusion will again rule in polling sites here as in the November 2000 election. More regrettable, however, are the false and misleading comments of William Hamilton, New Brunswick City Attorney in connection with the redistricting. Hamilton claimed he proposed to carve out three Rutgers dormitories from a voting district and place them in a new district. But Hamilton falsely blames Frank Bright, New Brunswick's Republican Party for scuttling this plan by claiming Bright did not support the proposal. Hamilton's claim is untrue, as Mr. Bright fully supported the plan to place the student dormitories into a new voting area. Hamilton also fails to admit that he ignored a more expansive plan offered by Mr. Bright that better promoted constitutional voting rights in the city, not just for students but for all residents and demonstrated respect for and compliance with state law. Hamilton also fails to tell that his own plan was devised without letting any important city group (e.g. students, People's Campaign, or the Republican Party) participate in the process. Neither the City government nor the Middlesex Board made any effort to foster open, democratic participation in the redistricting plan. This is a monumental mistake and the Board and the City government should admit their errors and include the taxpaying electorate next time instead of shutting them out. FLAVIO L. KOMUVES General Counsel New Brunswick People's Campaign P.O. Box 131 New Brunswick, NJ 08903 609/987-6854 work
groovemeister wrote: C. A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to the purposes of the Campaign. if the purpose of the campaign is democratic community control over the istitutions that govern the community, i move that all those that claim this campaign "is not here to tear down any political machines" be immediately investigated. further, if the work of the campaign is to reflect the needs of the community based on 1000 survey results of input, i move that all campaign activities must be developed around this input. the work for an elected school board would then primarily replace that work for a center for out of towners to punch in at. as the community's top survey response IS community control over education and nothing has been put forward for center from the community. therefor all persons placing their own superficial understanding of NB activism in front of the input of the community must be immediately investigated. these investigations should be carried out openly by campaign members to immediately right the ship and begin sailing towards the objective goal for community control. although it seems as though this campaign is determined on ignoring the community and puting forward personal initiatives in place, i feel that all can be corrected but only through practical tasks. not in meetings, rather on the streets in campaigns for the community. otherwise the community is suffering and nbpc is winning over the enemies of the people. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Minority lawmakers stage
racial profiling protest
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
3/29/01 7:25 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The day after the former
attorney
general said he couldn't remember key details about
racial
profiling, minority lawmakers tried to force the state
Assembly to vote on long-delayed bills to end the
practice.
One by one, minority lawmakers Thursday asked the
Assembly to act on bills designed to stop racial
profiling by
police or aid reform efforts.
Many of the bills have been stalled in Assembly
committees for more than a year. Members of the black
and Hispanic legislative caucus interrupted the day's
voting
session, demanding to know the status of the bills.
Among the proposals is a bill to create an independent
prosecutor for racial profiling and to create a
specific law
against the practice.
In a series of votes, the Republican-controlled
Assembly
tabled each bill by a count of 41-39. That action sent
them
back to the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee.
Black Democrats in the Assembly tried to use house
rules
to fast-track bills regarding racial profiling
directly to the
floor for a full vote.
Assemblyman Joseph Charles, D-Hudson, said he was
disappointed his efforts failed on a party-line vote.
"I would have hoped that at least some members of the
other party would have supported us," he said.
"We were trying to draw attention to the fact that
since
August 1999, the black and Latino Democratic caucus
has
recommended consideration of bills that would add
protections from racial profiling and institutional
racism in
the state police.
"Too much time has passed without affirmative action,"
he
said.
Charles said Democrats wrote letters to Republican
committee chairmen and leaders last fall asking for
bill
consideration, but received no answer.
Through a spokesman, Assembly Speaker Jack Collins
declined comment.
The spokesman, Chuck Lietgeb, said the speaker opposed
the Democratic procedure because it's his practice to
never allow a bill to skip the committee process, not
because he opposes the bills.
"The rules are something he feels strongly about," he
said.
Lietgeb said it's up to the chairman of the Law and
Public
Safety Committee, Assemblyman James W. Holzapfel,
R-Ocean, to explain why there hasn't been any movement
on the bills before now. Holzapfel was out of the
country
Thursday.
Caucus members said they acted Thursday as a response
to testimony offered the day before by former Attorney
General Peter G. Verniero.
Before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Verniero said
he
could not recall details about key meetings, memos or
documents dealing with racial profiling.
Verniero defended his department's response to racial
profiling, but admitted he should have asked the state
police harder questions sooner.
In April 1999, Verniero admitted state troopers were
engaging in racial profiling in a report issued one
year after
two white troopers fired 11 shots at four unarmed
minority
men during a traffic stop on the turnpike.
Verniero's report and indictments against those two
troopers for falsifying records were released just
after he
was nominated to the state Supreme Court by former
Gov.
Christie Whitman.
It is good to hear of motion toward the re-establishment of Unity & Struggle. Supporting the current plan to begin with a series of ideological pamphlets, supplemented by more frequent (e.g. bi-weekly) leaflets, toward establishing a network of production & distribution, we would also propose to publish larger (special) editions when conditions suggest broader interest. Specifically, we think that the developing organization toward the March on Trenton (16 May) to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality provides a unique (historic?), local opportunity to lend advanced revolutionary analysis to mass, democratic action, while simultaneously offering U&S a broad, if temporary, network of distribution. That is, we could use U&S to promote the March, and use the March to promote U&S, without interrupting the current production plan. Principally, our concern is to re-establish U&S, to regularize and expand its production. We share its general anti-imperialist positions and goal of developing a national organization of revolutionaries. We have criticisms and concerns, disagreements and differences, which we also agree would be best resolved through the practice of organizing the publication, &tc. Our proposal targets a MayDay (1 May) Release. (10,000? copies-12? Pages-Sp/Eng). Roughly, this is 2 weeks for submissions, 1 wk layout, 1 wk printing, which we see as reasonable, assuming support. Articles suggested are: analysis of the March (national oppression & self-determination, hopefully by its Chair, Larry Hamm), a prominent Women's space (sex-oppression & self-determination), analysis of gubenatorial election (peoples' war on the right, workers' party), analysis of Education profiling in NJ (democratic revolution), & throughout promoting ideological clarity and cultural revolution. We think that the apparent inactivity of U&S reflects weakness in our theory & practice, that this also must be studied and corrected, leading to greater strength. Revolutionaries Unite! Win the Advanced to Communism! Cliff Smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy 732.214.8828 cliffsmith69@hotmail.com
Proposal toward Rectification around Peoples' Democracy, Against Imperialism The world contradiction of the People vs. Imperialism calls us to organize the broadest democratic front, clearly stating the principles and class character of this front. The spontaneously emerging peoples' struggle is threatened most greatly by its inability to distinguish its enemies from its allies. That is, the movement is too frequently tricked by its "leaders" into supporting positions which threaten it. For example, Ralph Nader objectively strengthened imperialism's position, while claiming to represent a peoples', anti-corporate position. This is because of the failure of revolutionaries to develop and promote a consistent, working-class analysis. The People's Campaign developed from an anti-imperialist, democratic spirit, within the developing local movement. The formalization of this spirit into organization is its achievement. The PC, however, neglected to clarify this spirit with open, class-based principles. This is its failure. At the moment, the PC, like the peoples' movement, is being pulled in opposite directions. The crisis dialectic of danger and opportunity. Because the principal enemy was identified as the local Democratic Party organization, and not the imperialist class, the door was left open for imperialism's more dangerous representatives to maneuver within the organization. To manipulate rising dissent to objectively strengthen the enemy. This manipulation was done by Republican Party operatives in conjunction with free-lance opportunists. When challenged, the PC chose unity with imperialists over unity with revolutionaries. Which is the greater threat, "unprincipled criticism" or imperialist positions (intentional or not)? The "left wing" or the "right"? It is stated by some PC members that we are united against the position "improve, don't break, imperialist political organization, &tc." They state we are not united over whether this statement was an "out-of-context, unfortunate, nave, contrary-to-years-of-practice, mis-statement" to be nurturingly criticized (which, by the way, has never been done in any open way by those who claim to fault our "method"), or whether it was an intentional gesture, a sell-out, reflected by other statements and actions, to be exposed and attacked. This is open to debate. What is not open to debate is the fact that the position stands, it has not been withdrawn. While we can argue intentions, ultimately we must organize around positions. How can the anti-imperialists rectify our division? We propose first, that the united front formation must organize around stated principles. Not petty-bourgeois "anti-Democrat" confusion, but working-class "anti-Imperialism" clarity. Second, that we must also put forward our direction for the united front and campaigns. That the objective is not, primarily, office$ and officer$, but the development of a national Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party, to, yes, break, not improve, both imperialist political parties. Finally, for anyone who genuinely faults our method against objectively imperialist positions, they can make no criticism of our approach until they also, genuinely bring forward and apply their "better", more "principled" method. The people vs. imperialism Unite, don't split. Peoples' war on the right. Build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party. Cliff Smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy 30 March, 2001
Proposal toward Rectification around Peoples' Democracy, Against Imperialism The world contradiction of the People vs. Imperialism calls us to organize the broadest democratic front, clearly stating the principles and class character of this front. The spontaneously emerging peoples' struggle is threatened most greatly by its inability to distinguish its enemies from its allies. That is, the movement is too frequently tricked by its "leaders" into supporting positions which threaten it. For example, Ralph Nader objectively strengthened imperialism's position, while claiming to represent a peoples', anti-corporate position. This is because of the failure of revolutionaries to develop and promote a consistent, working-class analysis. The People's Campaign developed from an anti-imperialist, democratic spirit, within the developing local movement. The formalization of this spirit into organization is its achievement. The PC, however, neglected to clarify this spirit with open, class-based principles. This is its failure. At the moment, the PC, like the peoples' movement, is being pulled in opposite directions. The crisis dialectic of danger and opportunity. Because the principal enemy was identified as the local Democratic Party organization, and not the imperialist class, the door was left open for imperialism's more dangerous representatives to maneuver within the organization. To manipulate rising dissent to objectively strengthen the enemy. This manipulation was done by Republican Party operatives in conjunction with free-lance opportunists. When challenged, the PC chose unity with imperialists over unity with revolutionaries. Which is the greater threat, "unprincipled criticism" or imperialist positions (intentional or not)? The "left wing" or the "right"? It is stated by some PC members that we are united against the position "improve, don't break, imperialist political organization, &tc." They state we are not united over whether this statement was an "out-of-context, unfortunate, nave, contrary-to-years-of-practice, mis-statement" to be nurturingly criticized (which, by the way, has never been done in any open way by those who claim to fault our "method"), or whether it was an intentional gesture, a sell-out, reflected by other statements and actions, to be exposed and attacked. This is open to debate. What is not open to debate is the fact that the position stands, it has not been withdrawn. While we can argue intentions, ultimately we must organize around positions. How can the anti-imperialists rectify our division? We propose first, that the united front formation must organize around stated principles. Not petty-bourgeois "anti-Democrat" confusion, but working-class "anti-Imperialism" clarity. Second, that we must also put forward our direction for the united front and campaigns. That the objective is not, primarily, office$ and officer$, but the development of a national Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party, to, yes, break, not improve, both imperialist political parties. Finally, for anyone who genuinely faults our method against objectively imperialist positions, they can make no criticism of our approach until they also, genuinely bring forward and apply their "better", more "principled" method. The people vs. imperialism Unite, don't split. Peoples' war on the right. Build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party. Cliff Smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy 30 March, 2001
Lawmakers say Verniero
should resign
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
3/30/01 6:46 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Saying his 13 hours of testimony
this week did nothing to help end racial profiling or
repair
the state's "tarnished" reputation, a group of
minority
legislators asked Supreme Court Justice Peter G.
Verniero
to resign.
In a letter sent Friday, the Black and Latino Caucus
called
Verniero's responses to hundreds of questions "equally
troubling" because he could not remember key details.
Verniero also should resign because he refused to
provide
documents two years ago and told lawmakers they were
unavailable, the letter reads. Many of those records
were
released in November and are central to issues in the
Senate Judiciary Committee's racial profiling
hearings.
"Your testimony on Wednesday failed to bring a close
to
this ordeal. If anything, your evasive answers
threaten to
prolong the state's agony over racial profiling,"
Assemblyman Joseph Charles, D-Hudson, wrote.
Verniero's lawyer, Robert Mintz, declined to comment
on
the request.
On Wednesday, committee members accused Verniero of
"misleading" them two years ago during his Supreme
Court
confirmation hearings.
In May 1999, Verniero, then the attorney general, said
his
deputies and state police officials began collecting
data on
possible racial profiling a year before.
Committee chairman Sen. William L. Gormley,
R-Atlantic,
confronted Verniero at the end of Wednesday's marathon
hearing and said he should return to explain himself
at
another session.
As of Friday, Verniero had not yet decided if he will
appear
again before the committee, Mintz said.
Throughout the hearing, Verniero repeatedly said he
could
not recall details about key meetings, memos or
documents dealing with racial profiling.
Verniero defended his department's response to racial
profiling, but admitted he should have asked the state
police harder questions sooner.
In April 1999, Verniero admitted state troopers were
engaging in racial profiling in a report issued one
year after
two white troopers fired 11 shots at four unarmed
minority
men during a traffic stop on the New Jersey Turnpike.
Verniero's report and indictments against those two
troopers for falsifying records were released just
after he
was nominated to the state Supreme Court by former
Gov.
Christie Whitman.
The Black and Latino Caucus has 22 members. All but
one
are in the Assembly.
Caucus member Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex,
has said he plans to introduce a bill to impeach
Verniero.
On Thursday, Payne said he would wait for word from
senators, especially those on the Judiciary committee,
before proceeding to push his bill and recruit
co-sponsors
from both sides of the aisle.
Impeachment actions must begin in the Assembly
Yesterday, the 20-member Legislative Black and Latino Caucus called for
Verniero to resign, citing his "evasive answers"
during Wednesday's
hearing and "inaction" on racial profiling.
But Secretary of State DeForest "Buster" Soaries
said while Verniero may
have been slow to address the problem, so was the
rest of state
government in the wake of the 1996 decision in the
"State vs. Soto" court
case, in which a judge found that troopers
patrolling the Turnpike illegally
stopped motorists because of their race.
"Name me another white politician in New Jersey
for whom Soto was a
great wake-up call," said Soaries, who is black.
"If Peter Verniero should
have known enough after Soto, why didn't the
Legislature have hearings
after Soto?"
Staff writer Brian Donohue contributed to this
report.
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YOU SUPPORT JIMMY MCGREEVEY FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY. 1.] DO YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORALLY WRONG ? 2.] DO YOU EVER PERSONALLY LOOK AT PORNOGRAPHY? 3.] IS RELIGION VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE? 4.] WOULD YOU LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WHILE THEY WERE MARRIED ? 5.] DO YOU BELIEVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS MORALLY WRONG ? THEN WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR ???
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SOME OF YOU WANT ME DEFEND MY POSITION ON JIMMY MC GREEVEY. MY THREE MAIN POINTS ARE THE FOLLOWINGS: 1.]MCGREEVEY'S TENURE AS MAYOR OF WOODBRIDGE IS MOST REMARKABLE FOR HIS SKYROCKETING PROPERTY TAXES- DESPITE RECEIVING AN ADDITIONAL 40% IN STATE AID, HE RAISED WOODBRIDGE PROPERTY BY 71%. WHEN MCGREEVEY TOOK OFFICE AS MAYOR, THE MUNICIPALITY SHARE OF THE LOCAL PROPERTY TAX RATE WAS 62 CENTS PER $100 VALUATION OF PROPERTY. THE RATE TODAY IS $1.06. 2.]MCGREEVEY INCREASED WOODBRIDGE TOWNSHIP' DEBT BY $105 MILLION SINCE 1992- AN INCREASE OF 172%. 3.] AS A LEGISLATOR , JIMMY MCGREEVEYY CAST THE DECIDING VOTE ON JIMMY FLORIO'S INCOME AND SALE TAX INCREASES. IN FACT MCGREEVEY SUPPORTED EVERY ONE OF FLORIO'S $2.8 BILLION IN TAX INCREASES, INCLUDING AN INCREASE IN THE GASOLINE TAX AS WELL AS CREATING NEW TAXES ON THINGS LIKE TOILET PAPER AND SOAP. ALL SERIOUS DEBATE ARE WELCOME. TRACY [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> YOU SUPPORT JIMMY MCGREEVEY FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY. > 1.] DO YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORALLY WRONG ? > 2.] DO YOU EVER PERSONALLY LOOK AT PORNOGRAPHY? > 3.] IS RELIGION VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE? > 4.] WOULD YOU LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WHILE THEY WERE > MARRIED ? > 5.] DO YOU BELIEVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS MORALLY WRONG ? > THEN WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR ???��� > Yes, No, Yes, Yes, and a triple YES! You make a convincing argument, and it's hard for me to really add to it. Let me just say that it's about time we bring morality back to America. Nowadays people have no respect for the law, their country, or for God, and it is certainly the job of legislators to instill these very American things back into society. Just yesterday I saw someone walking down the street, and she had green hair and a piece of metal coming out of her nose! She probably hasn't been to a Church since she was a child (if at all). Out of those five points you listed, I think that the most important one is number 5. I think in order to curb this 'sex before marriage' business, which is responsible for AIDS and ultimately leads to hellfire, we should consider enacting several measures. One is to expand the "Moral Delinquency" unit of police departments in New Jersey: equip them with rattan sticks and have them patrol by foot twenty-four seven, questioning men and women walking together (who aren't related) and especially women who walk alone. We could call them "Guardians." Just a suggestion to think about, tell me if it is too extreme. Anyway, keep up the good work! In God, Matt
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myself.) *grin*
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"I just don't think it is accurate to describe these hearings as hearings on racial profiling. I view them as hearings on whether or not Peter Verniero lied," Soaries said. star ledger 4/2/
home news tribune, sunday, 4/1 With its expanded partnership and broader base of support, Devco has become the visionary to ensure development occurs, said Robert F. Gamgort, J&J's vice president of corporate real estate and the vice chairman of Devco's board. "(Devco's) role has changed somewhat, as I see it," said Gamgort. "Initially, Devco had to be the active developer. (Now) Devco has grown into more of a catalyst. By being that catalyst, they continue to stir the activity to make things happen for positive change." By planting the seed, Devco can get a lot more accomplished than if it did the development work itself, he said. J&J executives, most notably John J. Heldrich, originally were the key players of a small partnership to form Devco and New Brunswick Tomorrow in the mid-70's. After a quarter century, the original revitalization leaders -- Heldrich, state Senator and former Mayor John A. Lynch, Civic League of Greater New Brunswick President C. Roy Epps, former J&J board Chairman Richard B. Sellars and the late Rutgers University President Edward J. Bloustein -- have passed the role onto a next generation of "new revitalizationists," Heldrich said last week. Heldrich, who described himself as a coach available to offer advice, listed the new team as Paladino, Zoffinger, Cahill, the Cultural Center, a few J&J executives, Secretary of State DeForest B. "Buster" Soaries, Jr. and the Puerto Rican Action Board.
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Forum to Defeat Racist Profiling Paul Robeson Cultural Center Wednesday April 4 6:30pm speakers include: Larry Hamm - Peoples' Organization for Progress, Newark Linnie Mohammad - Minister Nation of Islam, Trenton Jerusalam - local resident activist Tom Degloma - New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign Commemorate the anniversary of the assasignation of MLK Jr. at the hands of U.S. white supremacist imperialist agents. Forum is to raise consciousness of students and organizers in order to unite the peoples' forces for the May 16 March on Trnton State House. Student organizations must play a crucial role for this March to Defeat Racist Profiling, Join the growing� statewide Coalition For Justice and organize to defeat racist profiling. newly established coalitionforjustice@egroups.com join up and encourage others as well to help the flow of networking and info sharing concerning May 16 march and for the future of CFJ, as we are committed to not just march but to Defeat Racist Profiling. For more information or to get on board contact Joe Smith can_bush@... 732.586.5535 PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS, NEW JERSEY STATE CONFERENCE OF NAACP BRANCHES, BLACK MINISTERS' COUNCIL OF NJ, TRENTON BRANCH NAACP, NJ BLACK ISSUES CONVENTION, NJ MILLION FAMILY MARCH COALITION, BLACK COPS AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, CWA LOCAL 1033, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 44, TRENTON MILLION MAN MARCH COALITION, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 25, SAVE OUR CHILDREN, IMANI CHURCH, HOPEWELL ANTI-RACIST, CAMDEN LOGISTICAL ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE, TRENTON VICTORY ANGLES, STUDENT/WORKER ORGANIZATION FOR REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY, COMMITTEE TO DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING & POLICE BRUTALITY, SISTERHOOD & STRUGGLE, AND CHAIN BREAKERS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
...& "a few J&J executives..." heh, wink, nudge... ----Original Message Follows---- From: cliffsmith69@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] soaries joins j&j's "new revitalization team"... Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:56:19 -0000 home news tribune, sunday, 4/1 With its expanded partnership and broader base of support, Devco has become the visionary to ensure development occurs, said Robert F. Gamgort, J&J's vice president of corporate real estate and the vice chairman of Devco's board. "(Devco's) role has changed somewhat, as I see it," said Gamgort. "Initially, Devco had to be the active developer. (Now) Devco has grown into more of a catalyst. By being that catalyst, they continue to stir the activity to make things happen for positive change." By planting the seed, Devco can get a lot more accomplished than if it did the development work itself, he said. J&J executives, most notably John J. Heldrich, originally were the key players of a small partnership to form Devco and New Brunswick Tomorrow in the mid-70's. After a quarter century, the original revitalization leaders -- Heldrich, state Senator and former Mayor John A. Lynch, Civic League of Greater New Brunswick President C. Roy Epps, former J&J board Chairman Richard B. Sellars and the late Rutgers University President Edward J. Bloustein -- have passed the role onto a next generation of "new revitalizationists," Heldrich said last week. Heldrich, who described himself as a coach available to offer advice, listed the new team as Paladino, Zoffinger, Cahill, the Cultural Center, a few J&J executives, Secretary of State DeForest B. "Buster" Soaries, Jr. and the Puerto Rican Action Board. To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Join the Women's Defense Coalition for an evening of politically exquisite poetry and music featuring slam poet extraordinaire Alix Olsen and special guests Sarah Bishop and Ellis Bergeron. Benefit for the Rutgers University Women's Center. April 9, 7pm-9pm Trayes Hall B, Douglass College Center $5 admission, one guest per RU student ID ALL attendees must have ID on them Alix Olson: Alix Olson has been featured in ms. and won the 1999 outright national poetry slam championship, in addition to numerous other awards and prizes. Her poetry is pro-feminist, pro-activist, and political. She is currently working with the nuyorican poets on volumes of poetry. Her indomitable spirit is evident in her poetry and lyrical voice. Sarah Bishop: Sarah has toured various venues on the east and West Coast and describes her music as "acoustic folk punk." Her vocals are unforgettably melodious and soulful. Ellis Bergeron: Ellis is a singer and songwriter who has been performing for nine years. She is infamous for her "pure songs with wry lyrics," an is renowned for her deep, penetrating voice and lyrics. For more info email audreya99@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Senators end six days of testimony on
racial profiling
By JOHN P. McALPIN
The Associated Press
4/3/01 7:31 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Acting Gov. Donald T.
DiFrancesco said he will
review a request by senators that he pressure
state Supreme Court
Justice Peter G. Verniero to resign.
Members of the state Senate Judiciary Committee
presented DiFrancesco
with a letter Tuesday asking the acting governor
to seek Verniero's
resignation.
"You'll know in a day or two what my answer is,"
DiFrancesco said in an
interview on New Jersey 101.5 radio Tuesday night.
DiFrancesco said he is reviewing materials given
to him by committee
members and his staff is reviewing options.
"Obviously, I am greatly concerned by much of what
was characterized as
difficult testimony," DiFrancesco said.
The acting governor met with senators for more
than an hour following
the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings on
racial profiling Tuesday.
"I need to dwell on it. I need to review it with
my lawyer, the attorney
general perhaps," DiFrancesco said, "and then
reach my own
conclusions."
The acting governor "listened" to a summary of
testimony as well as the
"feelings" senators had after listening to key
witnesses, state Sen. William
L. Gormley, R-Atlantic, said Tuesday.
After the meeting, DiFrancesco refused to meet
with reporters who
camped in his outer office for nearly two hours.
The Senate Judiciary Committee ended its sixth day
of hearings shortly
after 4 p.m. Committee members and aides then met
privately before
walking over to DiFrancesco's office.
Gormley, the committee chairman, was the only
legislator to speak
publicly immediately after the hour-long meeting
with the governor.
"He listened," Gormley said. "He wants to make
sure that we all work
together, Republicans and Democrats alike, to make
sure New Jersey is a
state that becomes known for ending racial
profiling."
Tuesday's hearings ended after testimony by state
police Superintendent
Carson Dunbar and Attorney General John J. Farmer
Jr., who said racial
profiling still exists in New Jersey.
Last week Verniero testified for nearly 13 hours
and defended his actions
while he was attorney general. Gormley accused the
former attorney
general of giving "misleading" answers to
questions about profiling during
his confirmation hearings two years ago.
Verniero said Monday he would not return to
testify.
Gormley repeatedly declined to discuss any request
made by senators
that DiFrancesco ask Verniero to resign.
"We discussed all aspects of the hearing. All
aspects," Gormley said.
In April 1999, Verniero became the first attorney
general to admit publicly
that state troopers were engaging in racial
profiling. Verniero's admission
came one year after two white troopers fired 11
shots at four unarmed
minority men -- wounding three -- during a traffic
stop near Trenton on the
New Jersey Turnpike.
Time is money for arts trust
04/03/01
BY PEGGY McGLONE
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
For a year, New Jersey's perennially under-
capitalized arts organizations
have been busily raising more than $15 million on
the promise of state
matching funds. There's just one problem.
The state hasn't matched any of it.
Eight months after the much heralded New Jersey
Cultural Trust was
created, the board of directors that will oversee
the matching funding has
never met, and doesn't even have all its members
yet.
Last week, acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco named
Judith Dawkins of
Rumson to the 15-member board, leaving two
positions still open. The
remaining members -- including five representatives
from state government
and seven private citizens -- can convene before
the rest of the positions
are filled in order to adopt guidelines to make the
trust functional. But no
meeting has been scheduled.
The delay is causing anxiety among cultural
leaders, who are watching the
months pass without action. It's costing them
money, too, since the
matching funds could be earning interest totaling
tens of thousands of
dollars.
"The cultural trust is a gem of an idea," said
Lawrence P. Goldman,
president and CEO of the New Jersey Performing Arts
Center in Newark.
"Everyone is in favor of it. The governor when he
was Senate president
was in favor of it, the Department of State, the
arts council, certainly the
arts organizations are in favor of it. Let's get it
moving."
However, nobody in the Department of Cultural
Affairs would discuss the
delay. Secretary of State DeForest (Buster) Soaries
refused to be
interviewed, saying only in a statement that his
office is "working to fulfill
the legislative requirements" of the trust. And
leaders in the arts
community who met with state officials months ago
have heard nothing of
late.
Signed into law July 25, the New Jersey Cultural
Trust is a public-private
partnership established to provide capital and
endowment funds for the
state's arts, history and humanities organizations.
Once the fund reaches
$20 million, the interest it generates will be
distributed in annual grants to
help with construction, repairs and rainy-day
funds.
Anticipated to grow to $200 million by 2010, the
trust calls for the state to
match two kinds of private donations: money given
directly to the trust and
gifts made to individual organizations' endowment
funds.
Processing the first type, such as the $1 million
gift made by the Geraldine
R. Dodge Foundation last July minutes after then-
Gov. Christie Whitman
signed the bill into law, is straightforward. After
the private donation is
deposited in the trust fund, the state merely
matches it dollar-for-dollar.
The trust's current balance -- from the Dodge
grant, the state's match and
interest earned since July -- is $2,067,212.
Private donations to individual organizations --
the bulk of the donations,
to date -- are a little trickier. Upon verifying
that a gift has been made, the
state is supposed to deposit an equal amount into
the trust. Questions
about how the trust will handle multi-year gifts --
which accounting rules
mandate must be recorded in full the first year --
pledges, and planned
giving donations have yet to be resolved.
Also, to encourage individual organizations to
boost their own funds, the
law calls for the state to give the individual
institutions 20 percent of the
match for gifts of $100,000 or more.
Details about these two-part matches have not been
worked out, either.
For example, organizations do not know whether a
$100,000 donation
paid over three years will count as a major gift,
and thus be eligible for the
20 percent clause, or if it will be considered as
three grants worth $33,000.
If the latter, the entire match will be deposited
in the main fund.
While progress in Trenton is stalled, cultural
leaders are busy using the
trust to leverage private donations.
Donald Edwards, vice president for institutional
advancement for American
Boychoir in Princeton, said the trust has helped
the school's $10 million
endowment campaign. He cited a recent $600,000
grant as an example.
"With that gift, which was to endow benefits for
faculty and staff ... we
were able to tell donor that it would generate
$120,000 of state money to
our endowment and that we would use it for the same
purpose," said
Edwards. "There's no question that it motivated the
donor."
The Prudential Foundation in Newark was influenced
by the new law when
it decided to grant $6.6 million for endowments to
six Newark arts
organizations as part of its $20 million 125th
anniversary fund. The grants
-- awarded and paid out last fall -- should
generate an equal amount of
state funds from the Cultural Trust. Almost $5.3
million would go into the
main fund, and the balance of $1.3 million would be
shared by NJPAC,
the New Jersey Symphony Orchestra, the Newark
Museum, the Newark
Community School of the Arts, WBGO and Aljira.
If the matching funds on the Prudential gifts had
been released in October
and invested with a 5 percent return, both the
trust fund and individual
organizations would be $137,500 richer today.
Arts officials admit they'd like the money in their
accounts, but they say
they also need action in Trenton to show funders
that the program will
work.
"It's enormously helpful to be able to say to a
potential donor 'Your gift will
be matched 20 cents on the dollar by the state
cultural trust'," said
Goldman. "It's important that we be able to show
donors this has actually
happened."
Assemblyman Leonard Lance (R-Hunterdon), one of the
sponsors of the
bill creating the Cultural Trust, said the lack of
progress will be on his
agenda when the when the Secretary of State appears
before him at
budget hearings next month to ask for the second
$10 million installment
on the 10-year program.
"Certainly I shall be asking questions," said
Lance, who is vice chairman of
the appropriations committee. "It is imperative, in
my judgment, to have the
trust constituted as soon as possible so private
donors feel the state is
living up to its part of the bargain."
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The Home News reported this morning that the court tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to city redevelopers who want to build an office on the corner of Church and Spring Streets. We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city redevelopment. the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard St. Please let us know if you can attend by an email on the egroups. thanks alyssa joy steering commitee rep for the women's caucus __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
good work alyssa, there will definitely be a chance for the public to speak, plus bobby alverez, owner of tavern, will be there to question city's motives. it should be tied to the overall attack on arts and culture that is taking place in New Brunswick in order to gain support base for arguement. joe >From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) > >The Home News reported this morning that the court >tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to >city redevelopers who want to build an office on the >corner of Church and Spring Streets. > >We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city >council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on >this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk >about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city >redevelopment. > >the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard >St. > >Please let us know if you can attend by an email on >the egroups. > >thanks >alyssa joy >steering commitee rep for the women's caucus > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN Press Secretary P.O. Box 131♦ New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ♦ 732/735-1342 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEW BRUNSWICK, April 4, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) wholeheartedly supports the plan to bring a public-access cable to channel to New Brunswick residents after years of regrettable delay. Cablevision and New Brunswick's city government should move forward at the greatest possible speed and provide public cable access to city residents as soon as possible. The NBPC further urges that the public access channel be governed by a board directly elected by residents. Such a board will ensure that the public access channel remains a forum for a diverse array of cultural, educational, and governmental programs reflective of the diversity present in New Brunswick. As a supporter of open government, the People's Campaign also urges that this cable channel be used to broadcast meetings of the city council and other government agencies. Such broadcasts have been highly successful in other communities and result in the very positive step of people taking a more direct role in governing themselves. Such broadcasts should be implemented at once in New Brunswick to make City government more accessible to all New Brunswick residents. For these reasons, we emphatically call on New Brunswick Mayor James Cahill and City Council president Robert Recine to express clear and unequivocal support for the broadcasting of such meetings. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members are likely unaware of the particulars. (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have been shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic & bourgeois concept is it. Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and scientific way...remember WBAI?! In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400 name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the peoples' enemies. republicans in the garbage can! joe >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, "Tom >DeGloma" <tdegloma@...>, <Xavier.hansen@...> >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 > >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural matters >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all. > >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and Xavier >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree to >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did not >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to hear >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not, >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues? > >Feel free to call on me any time. > >Peace, > >JoeMosley >745-2602 > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: can_bush@... >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death? >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order >to be embraced by the majority of people. > >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular - >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...". >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the >united front against racist profiling develop. > >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow >particulars, which it is presently doing. therefor it must be >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive, >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans. > >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the >strenthening of the coalition. > >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions, >comments are needed. > >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation > >joe > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download >of MSN Explorer at <a >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Resisting President-Select Bush
Steve Cobble, www.AlterNet.com
April 3, 2001
Viewed on April 4, 2001
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Steve Cobble is an expert on a wide range of
election and government issues and has served
as a campaign advisor to many candidates,
including Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader. He is
currently a consultant on democracy issues with
the Institute for Policy Studies.
Sometime very soon, it is extremely likely that
the major media are finally going to demonstrate what
most of us have known all along -- that the
Florida vote count was a fraud; that President-Select
Bush really lost both that state and the nation;
that the voice of the people was gagged.
The question is -- how shall we respond? How will
we collectively
speak truth to power about "His Illegitimacy?"
Though the exact time is still undisclosed, in the
coming days eight
news organizations will complete their exhaustive
review of the
180,000 Florida "undervotes" and "overvotes."
These news
organizations -- the New York Times, Associated
Press, Wall
Street Journal, Washington Post, Palm Beach Post,
St. Petersburg
Times, the Tribune Co. (which owns the Los Angeles
Times), and
CNN -- are expected to release their results and
initial analyses on
the same date.
We should note that this is not the partial and
biased count recently
released by Judicial Watch, in an obvious attempt
to undercut the
media analyses. Nor is this the Miami Herald/USA
Today report,
whose release is imminent, which only deals with
the "undervotes,"
though it may or may not lead to the same
conclusion.
The media may well underplay the conclusion that
Bush really lost,
since the current elite philosophy seems to be
that it is important to
build up the sitting President's legitimacy.
Nevertheless, many
expect that this major media review will
demonstrate what all of us
already know in our hearts -- that the will of the
people was
ignored, distorted, and subverted by the
institutions that are
supposed to protect American democracy.
If so, it means that the man in the White House is
not the people's
choice. It means that President-Select Bush really
lost both the
popular vote and the electoral vote. It means that
the most basic
right in a democracy -- the right to vote -- was
corrupted by the
Scalia 5 on the Supreme Court, after a successful
disenfranchisement/disinformation/intimidation
campaign carried
out by the Bush brothers and their allies in
Florida.
It means, in a literal definition of the phrase,
that the United States
of America has undergone a coup d'etat.
Compare the actual events of the Florida fiasco to
this definition
from our 1976 American Heritage Dictionary: "coup
d'etat -- a
sudden stroke of state policy involving deliberate
violation of
constitutional forms by a group of persons in
authority."
(No doubt future versions will include: "see also
-- George W.
Bush, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Katherine
Harris ... ")
Thus, a fundamental principle of the Declaration
of Independence,
that governments derive "their just powers from
the consent of the
governed," has been violated.
The people's consent has never been given. The
current rulers did
not win a free and fair election, and so have no
"just powers." They
received no mandate from the voters.
Not for tax cuts for the rich. Not for drilling on
wildlife refuges.
Not for limiting freedom of choice. Not for
infringing on workers'
health and safety. Not for right wing judges. Zip.
Zilch. Nada.
This is not really about Al Gore, though he should
have won. At the
core of this issue is an illegitimate re-ordering
of America's national
priorities. President-Select Bush ducked away from
much of the
platform he is currently attempting to impose on
the American
people. (See, for example: CO2, arsenic,
compassionate
conservative, bipartisanship, unifier not divider
... ) In addition,
opinion polls make it clear that many of the
policy positions which
Bush did campaign on were not supported by a
majority of the
people. (See, for example, restricting freedom of
choice, tax cuts
for the top 1 percent, big oil over baby caribou
... )
Most importantly, Bush lost. He lost the national
popular vote. And
we will soon have mainstream proof that he really
lost Florida and
the electoral vote, too. This means he has no
mandate.
Many of us, of course, believe that the inaccurate
and sinister
purges of falsely-accused ex-felons by the
Secretary of State's
office should be enough by itself to call the
election's legitimacy
into question. Not to mention the roadblocks and
intimidation aimed
at African American voters. Not to mention the
"bourgeois riot,"
led by Congressional staff on the public payroll,
that shut down the
vote count. Not to mention the unprecedented -- in
every sense of
that word -- intervention of the Supreme Court.
Not to mention the
failure by Scalia and Thomas to recuse themselves
from the Court
deliberations, despite their obvious ethical
conflicts-of-interest. Not
to mention that the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach
clearly violated
the Florida statutes. Not to mention that most of
the fancy
computer equipment went to Republican-leaning
counties and
precincts. Not to mention that the original
projection that Bush had
won was made by his cousin at FOX (slogan -- "FOX
News:
We're just as fair as the Washington Times!"). Not
to mention that
hand counts are not only the normal way to resolve
election
disputes, they were the only way to count the
votes for most of the
history of this nation (e.g., Washington,
Jefferson, Lincoln,
Roosevelt, etc.)
Most significantly, since President-Select Bush
holds office only because of a "deliberate violation of
constitutional forms by a group of persons in
authority" (could there be a more precise description of
the Supreme Court's intervention in Bush v.
Gore?), his mandate is missing.
Democracy requires the consent of the governed.
That consent was never given. Our duty as
activists, as citizens, as voters -- as Americans
-- is to oppose illegitimate rule, to speak truth to
power, to refuse to consent to public policy that
has no mandate.
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Matt: I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that: 1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator will be posted. 2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. 3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read the messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This is not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and discussion will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive. Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC.
Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts to about the same thing... To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 & 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible organizational models rooted in existing community networks and institutions) Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This legal bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI Radio. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 Matt: I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that: 1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator will be posted. 2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. 3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read the messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This is not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and discussion will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive. Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC. To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
curtis aspires to be the next deforest soaries! when soaries came on the seen following the potts murder, he was quoting malcolm x and other black power activists, now he is covering for wHitman and Verneiro for racist profiling, while at the same time jacking funds for black cultural threatres as the Secratary of State. where is the coalition for police brutality and curtis' "working class" analysis of any of this? he still hasn't even taken back his initial proposal to work with J&J to solve community problems. the problem with the community is J& J!!!! and its backward ethnic cleansing termed "re-development". but no, curtis "wants to work with them to solve a drug crisis", what kind of "working class" analysis is that? what about a march for jobs and a living wage, the right to an education, and childcare fascilities? those are the working class issues, not jumping into the lap of J&J. curtis tries to get it off that skunk soaries is a "religous leader", what kind of statement is that? what a leader! what's next, hitler is my religous leader... bang your dead! the only reasons the nbpc would want myself off this list is because they canoot argue me. otherwise they would smartly use the opportunity to prove my mistakes and teach everyone else valuble leasons about "working with republicans is actually the right thing to do..." -x & too many others the other reason might be because of the peoples' campaigns ineptitude in the local struggle. run a camaign, that embraced those that dissed its own platform, and then barely get involved, if at all, in any ongoing community struggles. "ok everyone let's retreat to the suburbs." - x, campaign geru actions speak louder than words. why be worried about what i have to say, you all got everything under control... right? joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as > to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' > Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would > seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members are > likely unaware of the particulars. > > (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed > meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & > BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, > imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have been > shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from > the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this > domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a > violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic & > bourgeois concept is it. Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice > my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning > people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and > scientific way...remember WBAI?! > > In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > To: coalitionforjustice@y... > Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400 > > name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion > should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the > nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the > peoples' enemies. > > republicans in the garbage can! > > joe > > > >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@m...> > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@y...>, "Tom > >DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...>, <Xavier.hansen@a...> > >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 > > > >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at > >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural matters > >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all. > > > >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and Xavier > >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree > to > >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did not > >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to > hear > >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to > >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not, > >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues? > > > >Feel free to call on me any time. > > > >Peace, > > > >JoeMosley > >745-2602 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: can_bush@h... > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM > >To: coalitionforjustice@y... > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > > > > >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must > >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and > >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist > >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two > >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are > >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death? > >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the > >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order > >to be embraced by the majority of people. > > > >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular - > >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black > >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every > >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every > >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers > >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence > >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...". > >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against > >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the > >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the > >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is > >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the > >united front against racist profiling develop. > > > >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow > >particulars, which it is presently doing. therefor it must be > >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination > >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of > >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in > >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive, > >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans. > > > >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of > >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though > >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the > >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or > >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the > >strenthening of the coalition. > > > >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no > >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions, > >comments are needed. > > > >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation > > > >joe > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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a new topic to refresh our brains... dump the revolutionaries and keep the republicans, let me guess... xavier thought it up. "i motion that cliff, joe, tami, nikki, jayson, jr., and all others associated with the working class community must move to highland park and register republican to prove their commitment to the nbpc." -x "but the republicans have money and money organizes people, i mean just look, they won the president election they must be terrific. i can even say it in spanish. i move that we drop the slogan of community control and embrace compassionate conservatism." - x i'm with matt, i vote against the proposal. what say you now, mr. safeguarder flavio? wait, can you explain the advantages once more? joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are > doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I > maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts > to about the same thing... > > To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 > & 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay > abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third > unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent > token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This > model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official > members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we must > have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible organizational > models rooted in existing community networks and institutions) > > Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do > with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you still > willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a hundred > flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This legal > bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure > the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are > diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. > > I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's > dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on > the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, > should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions > of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad > argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we do > our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along > side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for > themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the > precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up > like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI > Radio. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Groovemeister007@y... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > > Matt: > > I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding > egroups taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of > the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, > in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark > law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining, > decided that: > > 1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a > moderator screens all messages. That list will be used for official > NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters > etc. Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the > moderator will be posted. > > 2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. > Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > > 3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in > substantially the form as this group where any person can post or > read the messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any > way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > > The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists > and what will become of the present list, is still under > consideration. This is not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample > forums for debate and discussion will remain. However, by parsing > this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties > who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what > kind of information they want to receive. Likewise, onlookers will > be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is > members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC. > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! 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All, It appears the special NBH&RA meeting will be Tuesday at 6:30 pm at the community room over at Schwartz/Robeson (37 Van Dyke Ave.) Official posting will be 48 hours in advance. It is a special meeting to discuss the transfer of $4.1 million dollars of NBH&RA property to an LLC where we will hold a fraction of a percent of ownership. The numbers given at the last meeting was approximately .1%. Clearly, the NBH&RA will lose much control over the land and in turn it will be controlled by a private entity. The ramifications to this decision are many and do not bode well for developing a "livable" city. So please come out to ask what is going on. Frank Bright 249-7201
Matthew, I respect the point you are trying to make with this post. However, I feel strongly that you can't make such sharp judgement on the decisions made at Campaign general meetings (in this case re: participation in the egroups) when you were entirely absent from the debate. I don't know who gave you a report of what went down, but I disagree with your characterization of what happened. to clarify, the decision was to change the way that the egroup operates so that only members of the Campaign can make posts. as you know, the guidelines for becoming a member of the Campaign are extremely broad. This decision was discussed at length, and stemmed from many people's discontent with how the egroup has degenerated. I have heard from many people that they don't feel comfortable with the tone of the discussions a lot of the time, and they don't feel comfortable to make posts for fear of being attacked. Regardless of your feelings on this (and we should talk about this), the vote was taken based on substantial debate on the matter. Frankly, I dont think that the decision was ideal (I myself led the proposal). but it is an immediate attempt to fix a problem that was actually inhibiting communication for the majority. this policy is not set in stone. i really want to hear what other people think about the state of this egroup. Anyway, I think you need to participate yourself matt in these meetings and discussions so that you know exactly where people are at. I'm afraid that there's a lot of miscommunication and misinformation being shared. i'm not sure where the "intellectual property" argument comes from. I also didn't know that you were "concerned" about BoL's expulsion. Am I right to assume that you felt that way when it happened back in May (i think?)? also in unity, Kristina >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:34:06 > >As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as >to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' >Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would >seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members >are >likely unaware of the particulars. > >(Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed >meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & >BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, >imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have >been >shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from >the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this >domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a >violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic & >bourgeois concept is it. Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice >my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning >people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and >scientific way...remember WBAI?! > >In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400 > >name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion >should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the >nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the >peoples' enemies. > >republicans in the garbage can! > >joe > > > >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@...> > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, "Tom > >DeGloma" <tdegloma@...>, <Xavier.hansen@...> > >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 > > > >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at > >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural >matters > >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all. > > > >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and >Xavier > >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree >to > >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did >not > >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to >hear > >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to > >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not, > >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues? > > > >Feel free to call on me any time. > > > >Peace, > > > >JoeMosley > >745-2602 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: can_bush@... > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > > > > >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must > >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and > >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist > >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two > >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are > >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death? > >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the > >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order > >to be embraced by the majority of people. > > > >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular - > >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black > >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every > >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every > >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers > >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence > >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...". > >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against > >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the > >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the > >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is > >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the > >united front against racist profiling develop. > > > >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow > >particulars, which it is presently doing. therefor it must be > >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination > >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of > >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in > >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive, > >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans. > > > >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of > >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though > >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the > >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or > >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the > >strenthening of the coalition. > > > >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no > >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions, > >comments are needed. > > > >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation > > > >joe > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE >download > >of MSN Explorer at <a > >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Thursday, April 12, at 7 PM....TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!
The annual protest against gender violence and celebration of women's power
is returning to Rutgers next week! Women gather at Voorhees at 7 PM for
speakers and performances, followed by the famous march down George Street,
College Avenue, Hamilton, and Mine Street to Brower Commons. Women and men
will meet at Brower at 10 PM for speakers and open mic!
We are having one more planning meeting--this coming Monday, at 9:30 PM, in
the Women's Center at the DCC--come if you're interested! In addition,
T-shirts will be sold at all dining halls next week, as well as at the event
itself. They are $10 and work to support TBTN.
This event is *always* important and memorable--hope to see everyone there!
-charlotte
Charlotte L. Kates****ckates@...****clkates@...
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http://members.nbci.com/justinusa/-JUSTIN: Justice International
Practice organized resistance and conscious acts of solidarity!
TRUTH IS TRUTH. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN[XAIVER, TOM, MANY OTHERS WHOSE NAMES WILL NOT MENTION] HAVE TREATED ME LIKE A COMMON CRIMINAL OR WOUNDED ANIMAL. JOE SMITH, CLIFF SMITH, NIKKI, TAMARA, ZORFIA, AND FRANK BRIGHT KEEP INFORM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. X , TOM AND KEITH NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT THE LISTSERVE . IT WAS ZOFIA AND FRANK BRIGHT. ALL IN ALL, LEADERSHIP OF PEOPLE CAMPAIGN NEED TO STOP BEING LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, AND LAZY GLUTTONS. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
although criticism of the nbpc leadership needs to be put forward and even embraced by the nbpc, your motives to build up a broad republican base is much more dangerous to the NB community than how the nbpc treats me. the crazy thing is - is that the nbpc treats me like they do, which in turn helps you build your republican base. but i will not join in your criticism of them, even if it is correct. i would rather just argue the same criticism in order to put forward the demand of Community Control. revolutinaries unite! republicans in the garbage can! joe >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:26:09 -0400 (EDT) > >TRUTH IS TRUTH. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN[XAIVER, TOM, MANY >OTHERS WHOSE NAMES WILL NOT MENTION] HAVE TREATED ME LIKE A COMMON >CRIMINAL OR WOUNDED ANIMAL. JOE SMITH, CLIFF SMITH, NIKKI, TAMARA, >ZORFIA, AND FRANK BRIGHT KEEP INFORM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENING IN THE >COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. X , TOM AND KEITH NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT THE >LISTSERVE . IT WAS ZOFIA AND FRANK BRIGHT. ALL IN ALL, LEADERSHIP OF >PEOPLE CAMPAIGN NEED TO STOP BEING LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, AND LAZY >GLUTTONS. > >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I AM BAPTIST MINISTER AND ACTIVE REPUBLICAN WHO CARRIED OUT MY RELIGIOUS AND BLACK NATIONALIST ACTIVITIES. I SPEAK OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS. THE LEADERSHIP OF PEOPLE CAMPAIGN CRIMES OF KEEPING ME OPPRESSED, DEPRIVED AND IGNORANT IS TRUE. TRUTH IS TRUTH. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. WHAT COULD MAKE YOU DOUBT THE TRUTH OTHER THAN YOUR OWN WEAK SELF? IF YOU ONCE BELIEVED THE TRUTH, AND YOU ARE BEGINNING TO DOUBT THE TRUTH, THE YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE TRUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I thought people may be interested in reading Corzine's latest position on the DLC and the Democratic party in general... The Nation - COMMENT | April 16, 2001 A Time To Be Bold by JON CORZINE In recent months, as a newly elected senator, I have had to decide whether to join the Democratic Leadership Council. I have chosen not to because while I shared its founding purpose, which was to frame a successful response to President Reagan's efforts to portray Democrats as the party of "tax and spend," social engineering and failed personal responsibility, I believe that purpose has been largely accomplished. Today, I believe that it is vital for Democrats to stand up for a sharply defined progressive agenda--one that is committed to fighting for practical and progressive policies for working families and America's middle class--even when that means challenging powerful interests and the status quo. I am absolutely convinced that, standing on the foundation of fiscal stability that Democrats have built and to which the DLC contributed, we now have to fight for our convictions. If we begin to negotiate from the middle, the end result inevitably takes us to the right of where I believe our nation should be. Nothing is more relevant to this point than today's debate over the Bush tax cut proposal. Democrats must remain firmly opposed to this budget-busting plan, which provides disproportionate benefits for the richest 1 percent of our population. It is relevant and essential to our argument that this tax cut is not only unfocused and poorly timed but also unfair. In fact, if we yield on fairness before the debate begins, we forfeit our fundamental ground. That is one reason I have proposed a tax cut that gives an immediate break to everyone equally and is targeted toward working families. Moreover, the DLC has not convinced me that we should turn away from advocating an activist government--one that, for example, sees healthcare as a basic right for all Americans. And while compromise is an acceptable end, too much of it too soon has led to a paralysis on fundamental concerns such as healthcare, gun safety, the environment and educational opportunity. The critical point to be made by progressives in our national debate is this: While there are programs that have failed and should be reformed or eliminated, proactive government has often succeeded. An activist government was a driving force in the prosperity of the 1990s, as well as in providing our historic safety net, including Social Security, Medicare and Head Start. An activist government invested in the development of the Internet and the space program and spurred today's technological revolution. It was government investment that built our highways, air transit system and much of our communications network. And the list goes on. Without progressive leadership, would segregation have been outlawed? Would women have achieved as much access as they now have to equal rights? The pressure for advancement came from grassroots progressives. That said, reform and progress required our government to respond and lead. We're still far from the ideal, as racial profiling and unequal incomes for women and minorities attest. There are no African-American or Latino senators, but at least there are thirteen women senators--surely not enough, but more than there have ever been before. The lesson of history is clear: Equal rights for all depend on public action and so do equal pay, worker safety and retirement security. The barriers to opportunity for all don't just fall on their own. Today, the progressive agenda must address the great unfinished challenges--for women, for middle-class families, for minorities and the poor. It's a hopeful agenda rooted in ideas and our ideals. As I put it in my Senate campaign, "Everyone ought to have the same access to the American promise I've had." America must be a society of equal opportunity and equal protection before the law. So I believe the progressive agenda of our party is more important than ever. And the principle that should guide us is clear: While we can't achieve equal outcomes, we can and must assure equal opportunity. We also have to articulate the truth that advancing social and economic justice advances everyone's prosperity. We need to challenge the special interests that would limit the rights of labor and the opportunities of women and minorities, because we need all the talents of all our people to achieve maximum productivity and growth. We need to challenge the health insurance industry and finally win the battle for universal access to healthcare, because it is morally right and economically rational. Just because conservatives have demonized the term "universal healthcare" we should not walk away from that battle for the sake of a calculated centrism that splits the difference between right and wrong. When I was a candidate, the polls said that the majority of New Jersey voters disagreed with my opposition to the death penalty. I'm grateful the voters respected that I said what I believed even when it wasn't popular. As progressives, we must be ready to do that. Most of the progressive agenda--healthcare, the environment, gun safety, a progressive tax policy-- reflects the values and the ideals of the majority of our people. They will vote for our agenda if we present it in practical terms and fight for it. So while I respect the contribution of the DLC and while I respect its leaders, I'm not ready to join. The answer to "compassionate conservatism" isn't timid progressivism. It's a real commitment to equal opportunity, to fiscal responsibility and a fair society. We can and must be a party with the courage to stand tall for our beliefs because that's how we will be able to win as the party of the people. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN Press Secretary P.O. Box 131♦ New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ♦ 732/735-1342 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero. Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a blind eye to such acts. The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that community control, including democratically elected civilian police review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are good conscience, to support these efforts. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 -30-
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Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > Press Secretary > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 >? 732/735-1342 > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter >Verniero. > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a >blind eye to such acts. > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that >community control, including democratically elected civilian police >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are good >conscience, to support these efforts. > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > >-30- > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From: Julie Poulos To: vivaohio@... Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Matthew, I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists. First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints, viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument, one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved through practice. As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me. As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine & J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks. I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a spirit of respect and unity. Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign. In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me, Julie PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the individual if we are replying to an individual. --- Matthew Smith wrote: >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts >to about the same thing... > >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay > >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and >institutions) > >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This >legal > >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. > >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI >Radio. > > >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > >Matt: > >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New Brunswick >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, with >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that: > >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator will >be posted. > >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only NBPC >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read the >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This is >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and discussion >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be >able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive. >Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what >is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion >concerning NBPC. > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Joe, As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not heard a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came up, I would be against both of those lines. As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue. In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both theory and practice? Jim --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > Press Secretary > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > >Verniero. > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are good > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Text of DiFrancesco statement about Verniero The Associated Press 4/5/01 4:41 PM Text of statement by Acting Governor Donald DiFrancesco calling for resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero: "The foundation of our democracy is respect for the law and there is no higher law of this land than our Constitution. Our Constitution very clearly prescribes that the Senate shall have the right to exercise advice and consent concerning appointees to various state positions including nominees to the state Supreme Court. "For those of us who have been honored to serve in the state Senate, we believe that it is not just our right, but our responsibility to review thoroughly the nominations submitted for our consideration. As Senators, we have the responsibility to determine if a nominee is not only qualified, but has conducted him or herself in a manner reflective of the high office to which they have been nominated. "Four months ago, I directed the Senate Judiciary Committee to initiate a review of the circumstances and documents available concerning racial profiling. As part of that review they requested and with my consent retained Michael Chertoff as a special counsel for the committee. Mr. Chertoff's credentials are well known and his record speaks for itself. The committee examined 100,000 pages of documents, interviewed dozens of people, and conducted lengthy public hearings. By almost any measure, they have been very thorough. I want to thank the members of the committee for their hard work. "Yesterday, the members of that committee, based on the findings of their review, called for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero. I know that they did not come to this conclusion lightly. This is a very serious matter and one that deserves and requires very serious and careful consideration. "Like many, I have followed this process through press accounts and news stories. But, I've also had the benefit of discussing the issue directly with the committee members and have spent the past few days reviewing this matter. "Having done so, I come to the conclusion that even if we give Justice Verniero every benefit of doubt, it is still clear that his original testimony withheld or misrepresented important information thereby misleading members of the state Senate. "Every nominee presented to the state Senate has an obligation to be completely forthright and open. Preserving the integrity of the process demands strict adherence to this. When a nominee fails to do so, he not only demeans himself, but the process, its integrity and, perhaps most importantly, public confidence in the institutions of our government. We cannot allow that to happen. "Justice Verniero has a long history in state government. He was a Chief Counsel, a Chief of Staff, and an Attorney General. These positions gave him broad experience with the confirmation process and the requirement that nominees be forthright, credible, and sincere. These positions gave him a deep understanding of the need to honor and protect the integrity of the process. "In this case I believe that the integrity of the process was violated and that Senators acted on the nomination without certain facts and information material to their deliberations. Accordingly, I have called Justice Verniero and asked for his resignation. "Clearly, if the information known now about the status of the inquiry into racial profiling from 1994 to 1999 were known then, many Senators, including me, would not have supported the Verniero nomination. "The record indicates that Justice Verniero knew, or at least should have known, that racial profiling was real, not imagined, long before he acknowledged it. He was privy to statistical data dating back as early as 1994. "It indicates that he withheld information relevant to profiling from the Justice Department. And it clearly demonstrates that he was less than forthright and open with the Judiciary Committee during his confirmation hearings. "For example, when asked during his confirmation by Senator Zane about the Justice Department's investigation, Justice Verniero did not disclose that he had already received a letter from them indicating that they had concluded their review and planned to file a civil rights suit. Instead, he characterized their actions as only a procedural step. "If Justice Verniero does not resign, I will ask my colleagues in the Senate to consider a resolution of censure. As the Senate President, I have an obligation to protect the institution and our role in the nominating process. It is absolutely appropriate for the Senate to condemn a nominee who violates our trust by providing anything less that full and complete testimony. This action is intended to send a message to Justice Verniero and to any future nominee who would consider anything less than absolute forthrightness. "This action does not interfere with, preclude or rule out any additional actions such as impeachment. A resolution of censure is meant only to protect the institutional integrity of the Senate as it relates to our role in the appointments process. "Let me go still further by saying that if I am governor and Justice Verniero becomes eligible for lifetime tenure, I will not reappoint Justice Verniero to the Supreme Court. "Some have called from Justice Verniero's impeachment. Again, we must turn to our constitution and recognize that impeachment is a question for the General Assembly. Only the Assembly is vested with the constitutional authority to determine if Justice Verniero's conduct meets the legal standards required in order to pass articles of impeachment. If they decide that it does, I may be called upon to preside over a trial in the Senate, serve as a trier of fact, and render judgment on the specific charges. This process is set up to ensure fairness and prevent any one body from serving as both judge and jury. Accordingly, to preserve the integrity of that process, I will refrain from any additional comment on impeachment until the Assembly takes whatever action they deem appropriate. "But, when we discuss a member of the judiciary, and particularly a member of the Supreme Court, we should expect not just compliance with the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law, the spirit of the institutions and the intent of our constitution. "This is a very sad and unfortunate day for New Jersey. I take no pleasure in seeking Justice Verniero's resignation. However, we have at stake the integrity of our government and the confidence of our citizens. Our Supreme Court has a well-deserved reputation for excellence. As long as Justice Verniero sits on that court, it will enjoy a reputation less than it is worthy of. "Citizens look to our courts as the final arbiter of fact and fairness. When a nominee fails to be completely forthright and open with the Senate, that undermines confidence in the process. When a member of the Supreme Court is viewed as having exercised his authority as Attorney General in a way that ignored or concealed certain facts, that undermines confidence in him. When those facts demonstrate that our citizens are not receiving equal treatment under the law that undermines confidence in our system. "Racial profiling is a blight on this state and on the honest, hard working men and women of law enforcement who have dedicated their lives to protecting us. When I authorized this review by the Senate Judiciary Committee, my hope was that the process would lead us toward steps to eradicate the evils of racial profiling and heal the wounds that it has created. I still hope that. "We've taken a number of steps in that direction already video camera's in cars, enhanced Trooper training and better data collection - and I want to commend the state troopers and their leaders for the good work that they've done. But all of us know that more should and must be done. We should not rest until we are certain that racial profiling has been erased. "I look forward to receiving what I consider to be the most important aspect of the Judiciary Committee's work their recommendations on additional steps to end racial profiling. "I know that the Legislature's Black and Latino Caucus has proposed legislation to right his wrong and I will consider those recommendations as well. We must all work together to cure this ill. Profiling may be directed at only a few groups, but it affects every one of us. None of us should rest until it has been stopped once and for all."
Hey folks- the Court Tavern has a long and storied history of struggling and against the grain of the NB Machine and for positive culture, and so far its been survival...for decades, they have built up networks of local progressive artists and activism. My advice is to contact Bobby and ask him what sort of help they need...and look to bring the Court on board the broader struggle against this gentrification by talking it up with the regulars. But approached it in an organized way (as opposed to hald a dozen people running to him with a dozen plans for action) so that Bobby & Co. feels that by working with us it will better their chance for continued survival rather than feeling that their establishment will be jeopordized further, as has happened in the past. It's a great opportunity to bridge a gap between what is left of the more passive progressive/artistic NB community & the working class neighborhoods... "They'll damn sure feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat...when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!" -the late & timeless Mark Bradely, NB singer/songwriter Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:53:35 -0400 good work alyssa, there will definitely be a chance for the public to speak, plus bobby alverez, owner of tavern, will be there to question city's motives. it should be tied to the overall attack on arts and culture that is taking place in New Brunswick in order to gain support base for arguement. joe >From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) > >The Home News reported this morning that the court >tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to >city redevelopers who want to build an office on the >corner of Church and Spring Streets. > >We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city >council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on >this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk >about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city >redevelopment. > >the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard >St. > >Please let us know if you can attend by an email on >the egroups. > >thanks >alyssa joy >steering commitee rep for the women's caucus > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
To Kris, Julie, all- (this may be lengthy, but there are alot of issue at hand, and I will try to address them concisely.) 1. So far nobody has presented a different version of the vote (to ban certain people from posting on NBPC egoup list)than what I was told by Keith. To change the way the group operates in order that only official NBPC members can participate is the same as removing non-members because they present disagreeable arguments. Flavio clearly stated his argument in favor of bourgeois intellectual property-rights on this list as a justification for the proposed WBAI-like bannings. 2. To Julie: posting an opinion on an allegedly open and democratic forum sponsored by the NBPC is not at all the same as posting a fraudulent flyer in the name of the organization. I agree that ultimately this debate must be resolved in practice--but the "practice" of putting the kabash on debate is a bad start. Hey look- we are telling BOL/SWORD that Curtis is not the main enemy, though they treat him as such. But neither can NBPC treat BOL/SWORD like the main enemy and take away their right to be heard. As a matter of fact, they are doing alot of interesting work with the Coalition for Justice, for instance, around the profiling issue that the NBPC ought to unite with. But how can we if NBPC treats them like they treat Curtis? I don't see any other way out of this and towards reconciliation than to lead by example. Which leads me to: 3. Kris: yes, I have been growing increasingly uneasy about the expulsions of BOL members, as what I am witnessing is that the antagonism is growing sharper as a result, rather than leading towards any resolution. BOL put out unnecessarily antagonistic public positions against Curtis, and my response to them was that they ought to have taken their criticism of his statements to him first, to the organization second. If they had done so, then based on my experience with Curtis, he would have been open to listening & learning from their point of view. Unfortunately they did not do this, backing both him and themselves into opposite corners. It seems now that the NBPC exacerbated the situation by repeating BOL's mistake (!) by portraying BOL as the main enemy & booting their entire membership--rather than setting an example, perhaps by arranging the sort of sit down meeting to confront the situation with all parties on hand, as Joe Mosely has graciously offered to do. One way or another, we are going to have to learn to resolve these splits if there is to be a true united front, at least in NB. You can play hit the gopher till the moon turns blue and it'll keep popping up again. Incidentally, Julie, I am not at all convinced by the justification that the split forced by X & co. in NJFO was a result of heated debate keeping new members away. I have been with NJFO since almost the beginning and have seen it go through a number transformations, splits, and reunifications...but at no time did its membership swell to meet the ever anticipated decension of NB masses upon us (!) or beyond a small group of more or less committed people. There will always be heated debate, and especially when it matters, such as in addressing the meriad of yet unanswered questions and unresolved issues from NJFO's role in the campaign--issues that in my estimation have done more to keep solid organizers away than any amount of cantancerous venting. And finally, Kris- I have to level with you. It really sickens me to have people that I worked so closely with repeatedly tell me that I can't have an opinion on these matters, or that my opinion is somehow less that valid, since I do not live in NB anymore. First of all, it does nothing to address the issues, only you get to feel like the "outsider" where you spent years of sweat and blood (literally) building something up. It's the same argument Tom used to discredit my postion that 1. NJFO should not have held its revolutionary democratic head in the sand (forsaking "struggle" for short term "unity") 2. That these "tactical" concessions to the Greens/Naderites & Republicans in a campaign was seen as hopeless by the campaign manager hurt us as we lost out on a huge opportunity to educate the sorking class public as to the relationship, for example, between the local and national struggle--a position that may come back to haunt us if the Greens move foward with their gubenatorial campaign to get Dirty Don elected. (I have since come to realize that all experiences were not the same, so I am refering to the dominant position upheld by the campaign leadership.) I anycase, I do come down to the meetings as often as I can, but the way things have been going certainly hasn't done much to encourage it. Those who profess unity without struggle want crops without plowing the ground. -Matthew Matthew, I respect the point you are trying to make with this post. However, I feel strongly that you can't make such sharp judgement on the decisions made at Campaign general meetings (in this case re: participation in the egroups) when you were entirely absent from the debate. I don't know who gave you a report of what went down, but I disagree with your characterization of what happened. to clarify, the decision was to change the way that the egroup operates so that only members of the Campaign can make posts. as you know, the guidelines for becoming a member of the Campaign are extremely broad. This decision was discussed at length, and stemmed from many people's discontent with how the egroup has degenerated. I have heard from many people that they don't feel comfortable with the tone of the discussions a lot of the time, and they don't feel comfortable to make posts for fear of being attacked. Regardless of your feelings on this (and we should talk about this), the vote was taken based on substantial debate on the matter. Frankly, I dont think that the decision was ideal (I myself led the proposal). but it is an immediate attempt to fix a problem that was actually inhibiting communication for the majority. this policy is not set in stone. i really want to hear what other people think about the state of this egroup. Anyway, I think you need to participate yourself matt in these meetings and discussions so that you know exactly where people are at. I'm afraid that there's a lot of miscommunication and misinformation being shared. i'm not sure where the "intellectual property" argument comes from. I also didn't know that you were "concerned" about BoL's expulsion. Am I right to assume that you felt that way when it happened back in May (i think?)? also in unity, Kristina ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:41:36 From: Julie Poulos To: vivaohio@... Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Matthew, I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists. First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints, viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument, one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved through practice. As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me. As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine & J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks. I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a spirit of respect and unity. Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign. In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me, Julie PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the individual if we are replying to an individual. --- Matthew Smith wrote: >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts >to about the same thing... > >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay > >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and >institutions) > >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This >legal > >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. > >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI >Radio. > > >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > >Matt: > >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New Brunswick >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, with >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that: > >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator will >be posted. > >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only NBPC >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read the >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This is >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and discussion >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be >able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive. >Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what >is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion >concerning NBPC. > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! 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why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist profiling at all, and not work to advance upon the current positions being put forward? the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign slogan?) is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community would determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, police, &tc. by democratically controlling these institutions. self-determination is a democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit black people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist. do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america? joe >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > >Joe, > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not heard >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came up, I >would be against both of those lines. > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone >national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue. > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both >theory and practice? > >Jim > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > Press Secretary > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's >Campaign, > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities >and > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State >Senate > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > >Verniero. > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a >hate > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state >police > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators >from > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, >the > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are >good > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
julie, who said that curtis is working for the city machine or J&J to begin with? not me! why don't you ask curtis why he made those statements and demand he accept criticism for them. do you seriously suggest that we shouldn't criticize those that claim to represent community control and then speak of the exact opposite? julie wrote: Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post julie, i don't understand that if we have a right to, as you say slander, then why have we been evicted. and further more, you are going to have a tough time explaining to people that tamara dahan "slandered" anyone, as she was thrown out of the campaign with no explaination over a month after BOL. joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:41:36 > > > > >From: Julie Poulos >To: vivaohio@... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Matthew, >I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity >should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking >at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists. >First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words >can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where >individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints, >viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with >words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument >would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the >existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument, >one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or >not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within >NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved >through practice. >As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a >point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me. >As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has >responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with >their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine & >J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF >UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to >stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to >the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the >people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated >by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match >moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if >they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks. >I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their >child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming >environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the >People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it >is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a >spirit of respect and unity. >Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of >Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not >be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas >as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post >such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign. >In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me, >Julie >PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you >because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the >individual if we are replying to an individual. >--- Matthew Smith wrote: > >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others >are > >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I > >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts > >to about the same thing... > > > >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists >1 > >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay > > > >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third > >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent > >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This > >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official > >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we > >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible > >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and > >institutions) > > > >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do > >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you > >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a > >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This > >legal > > > >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not >secure > >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are > >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. > > > >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's > >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction >on > >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, > >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary >positions > >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad > >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we > >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community >along > >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for > >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the > >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end >up > >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI > >Radio. > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > > > >Matt: > > > >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups > >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New >Brunswick > >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with > >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, >with > >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that: > > > >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator > >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC > >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any > >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator >will > >be posted. > > > >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only >NBPC > >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > > > >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in > >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read >the > >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and > >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > > > >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and > >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This >is > >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and >discussion > >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC > >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be > >able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive. > >Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what > >is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion > >concerning NBPC. > > > > > > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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Kris and whoever else may be interested, I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC meeting to turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the expressed purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also expels anyone who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up the overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and repeated on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of intellectual property rights and trademark rights: " In order to safeguard the good name of the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining..." In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to democracy. Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet learned to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. The notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound footing in terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic principles of humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human advance be it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective heritage and birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person creates anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the one hand without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, which is not possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the other. All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's Campaign should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of intellectual property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open debate. Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude are at the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is going to be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick. In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There is a principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property rights... or maybe it does... Keith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Is this the same Tracy Ford that approached CU as a Christian minister, eventually joined and embraced communism, then left for a brief Muslim stint, and had since become a rebublican shephard looking for a flock? Because not for nothing, but he's as confusing as ever. ----Original Message Follows---- From: TRACYFORD1420@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:03:22 -0400 (EDT) I AM BAPTIST MINISTER AND ACTIVE REPUBLICAN WHO CARRIED OUT MY RELIGIOUS AND BLACK NATIONALIST ACTIVITIES. I SPEAK OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS. THE LEADERSHIP OF PEOPLE CAMPAIGN CRIMES OF KEEPING ME OPPRESSED, DEPRIVED AND IGNORANT IS TRUE. TRUTH IS TRUTH. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. WHAT COULD MAKE YOU DOUBT THE TRUTH OTHER THAN YOUR OWN WEAK SELF? IF YOU ONCE BELIEVED THE TRUTH, AND YOU ARE BEGINNING TO DOUBT THE TRUTH, THE YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE TRUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO RETURNED TO MY FIRST LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH ME OUT. I TRY SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A CHILD I PLAYED WITH CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS AND PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME IS OVER. I BECAME AN APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY FLOCK IS HUNDRED STRONG. IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL 23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO LIKE ME NOW??? TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
tracy ford is also a liar and a con. he's being puppeteered by bright, NB bush. ever since bright got position on housing authority, we see his true supporters coming out ie. el curtis and tracy and nbpc, yes nbpc because silence and no opposition and no public self-criticism for being the ultimate reason this was able to happen means support. i can only hope that the next office you out of towners produce doesn't result in all this harm to THE NEW BRUNSWICK COMMUNITY that you falsely claim to represent. but i thought this heading is to discuss a meeting with mosley to discuss the expulsion of nbpc from the community. i mean the expulsion of slogan "community control" from the nbpc. ok i really mean to discuss the infinite expulsion of six and counting of the most dedicated people to opposing the rise of fascism here on the streets of NB from the nbpc. why do you think mosley doesn't understand? because he sees that we are working harder and more effectively than an organization that at least triples SWORD with membership and resources. and he just can't understand that an organization can claim to represent the people and simotaneously fight against the communists and revolutionaries and NB youth, only to embrace the peoples' enemies-REPUBLICANS ARE THE PEOPLES ENEMIES. he is also probably very confused as to why nbpc would work without the community plan for a community center. though mosley would never step on anybody's toes, this is no less than a smack in the face for his developed plans for a community center. can nbpc post your plans, all i know is $15,000 by september and debrah's money. xavier do you think amiri/myself is wrong to call you an economist? (that is word of mouth, if amiri didn't say it i am) joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
tracy i didn't like you before, but before we had a workable relationship. how is it again that communism is childish, big man? republicans in the garbage can! joe >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:15:52 -0400 (EDT) > >ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I >WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO RETURNED TO MY FIRST >LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH ME OUT. I TRY >SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A CHILD I PLAYED WITH >CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS AND >PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME IS OVER. I BECAME AN >APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR >BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY FLOCK IS HUNDRED STRONG. >IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP >BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL >23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO >LIKE ME NOW???��� >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
My opinion on the listserve has nothing to do with intellectual property rights but the desire to keep people interested in the campaign on the listserve, so that the list can serve its function as a place where people concerned about the campaign can discuss it. Over the last few weeks I noticed the following: 1. It has been brought to my attention that members are leaving the listserve because it has become dominated by the antagonisms largely of a few people not even in the campaign 2. The machine is printing out and sharing everything we write, and alot of it is not representative of the campaign. One member brought up this concern and we had a full discussion of this in women's caucus. 3. The last anonymous obscene posting was the last straw for me. At the very least people should stand for what they post on this site. The need to address the listserve has been brought forward by members in the campaign. At the last meeting, we tried to address it. I opposed a moderator because that to me is the direct practice of censorship. What other approaches do we have than setting up 3 lists, so that each person concerned about the campaign can be a part of information sharing and discussion to the greatest extent possible? I am open to other solutions, but the problem of #1. above is of greatest concern to me and my understanding is it must be addressed so people in the campaign remain involved in discussion. Weve got alot of huge, critical decisions coming up and I have no idea how we will make informed decisions without informed discussion. I feel extremely uncomfortable making any of the upcoming decisions without all of us receiving more information and exploring all the issues, to the point where I think we shouldnt vote on them until we have discussed them thoroughly, and that means not just a few people, those who propose these ideas or are in leadership positions, but as much of the membership as possible. Any other ideas about ways to have this listserve be a more broadly accessible forum for discussion? Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has such a high tolerance for antagonism as those who have been dominating this list. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Speaking for myself and not as campaign GC.... This latest line of debate is more than a little puzzling. Let's first talk about what the March 31 decision was. I posted it in detail in message 1293 based on my notes for the meeting. But let's review: At the last general meeting, the membership overwhelmingly voted to create two NBPC-sponsored yahoogroups/listservs, each of which could be read by ANYONE. One of those groups would be moderated, so as to limit it to posting only official NBPC materials. In the second, posting rights would be broader but would be limited to membership. Next, the membership also voted to have a forum substantially like the present one, i.e. where anyone whether a member or not, could post or read. Keith was at the meeting and he should know that what I've outlined above is what was voted by the members. Yet, he infers that there have been "listserv expulsions" ordered by the membership. Where, Keith? You know it isn't so. Two NEW forums have been created. The present forum will continue... perhaps under this name, perhaps not, but it will continue. Where are all these expulsions you speak of? Two new forums are being created! Where is the repression? Any nonmember will be able to continue to rant and rave as much as they wish, but it will not be on a board in which NBPC sponsorship can be inferred. I don't know why everyone voted as they did at the meeting. I have advanced some of the reasons why I voted as I did and I do not retreat from them. Without going into detail, suffice it to say that neither your views nor Matt's have persuaded me to the contrary. Some other members argued that in order to empower people to better manage the information they receive, the groups should be parsed out. I generally share this view. But some thinkers on this listserv claim that people shouldn't have this choice. They argue that there should be one listserv only for nonmembers' rantings as well as official business. The members' votes from March 31 offers people a choice to join any one or all of these new forums. Let people make this decision! Who are we to make this choice for them? Perhaps they think that other choices of theirs should be taken away as well! For the record, some other members have said that the debate on this board was 'intimidating' to potential new members and that's why they voted as they did at the 3/31 meeting. Personally I do not agree with that as a basis. The campaign needs advocates who will be fierce, not a bunch of Milquetoasts when faced with a view that conflicts with their own, will get scared. That's not the kind of advocate that the people of New Brunswick need at city council meetings or in polling places. The good name of NBPC was being diluted and tarnished under unfair circumstances. I believe that an organization has a right to defend itself and that is why I voted as I did. The decision has now been made and because the Steering Committee follows the decisions of the general meetings and does not disobey them, the decision will be implemented forthwith. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: > Kris and whoever else may be interested, > > I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC meeting to > turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the expressed > purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also expels anyone > who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up the > overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and repeated > on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of intellectual > property rights and trademark rights: > > " In order to safeguard the good name of > the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, > in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark > law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining..." > > In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to democracy. > Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet learned > to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. The > notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound footing in > terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic principles of > humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human advance be > it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective heritage and > birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person creates > anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the one hand > without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, which is not > possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the other. > All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's Campaign > should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of intellectual > property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open debate. > Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude are at > the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is going to > be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick. > > In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There is a > principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property rights... > or maybe it does... > > Keith > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Zofia,
A moderated listserv doesn't have to mean censorship. I am on many moderated
listservs, all of which tend to pass on information when it is relevant to
the list at hand, rather than merely aimlessly spammed, or completely
outside the guidelines of the list. I also think it's important to keep in
mind that a yahoogroups.com listserv is not overwhelmingly the best means to
involve "the vast majority of the New Brunswick working class," who, as some
have pointed out, are overwhelmingly not Campaign "members," as of yet.
However, many do not have access to the Internet, and of those that do, is
there some reason anyone would think that debate at the level of rival
snarkiness would really cause people to spend the little time they have at
home with their families "debating" these "issues"? All that has happened is
that those who are already discussing issues on the listserv are disgusted
by its current tenor and lack any desire to post to such a forum. There is
no "exclusion" of the New Brunswick working class--indeed, should a
community member decide to subscribe to the list and post something
political, it would bounce to said moderator. The moderator would, I would
hope, read all bounced messages--and, if they're relevant, clear the person
for discussion on the second list. It's not something either difficult to
do, or set in stone for all eternity. I've moderated egroups/yahoogroups.com
lists, and it's incredibly quick and easy to change people's access to
various lists.
However, the real concern seems to be that "people will not subscribe" to
the third list. If the dialogue at hand is relevant to the members of the NB
community people seem to think are somehow being excluded by the first two
lists, certainly, they will subscribe and participate, and people will note
this and also subscribe and participate. If it remains a reflection of a
very few people representative of a very few specific organizations sniping
at one another, no, people most likely won't subscribe. That's not
reflective of disdain for free speech. It's a simple reality--we most have a
limited amount of free time, and choose to spend it as productively as
possible--and getting into sniping flamewars doesn't really fit that
description.
-charlotte.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@...>
To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:42 AM
Subject: [nbpc] listserve
> My opinion on the listserve has nothing to do with
> intellectual property rights but the desire to keep
> people interested in the campaign on the listserve, so
> that the list can serve its function as a place where
> people concerned about the campaign can discuss it.
>
> Over the last few weeks I noticed the following: 1.
> It has been brought to my attention that members are
> leaving the listserve because it has become dominated
> by the antagonisms largely of a few people not even in
> the campaign 2. The machine is printing out and
> sharing everything we write, and alot of it is not
> representative of the campaign. One member brought up
> this concern and we had a full discussion of this in
> women's caucus. 3. The last anonymous obscene posting
> was the last straw for me. At the very least people
> should stand for what they post on this site.
>
> The need to address the listserve has been brought
> forward by members in the campaign. At the last
> meeting, we tried to address it.
>
> I opposed a moderator because that to me is the direct
> practice of censorship. What other approaches do we
> have than setting up 3 lists, so that each person
> concerned about the campaign can be a part of
> information sharing and discussion to the greatest
> extent possible? I am open to other solutions, but
> the problem of #1. above is of greatest concern to me
> and my understanding is it must be addressed so people
> in the campaign remain involved in discussion.
>
> Weve got alot of huge, critical decisions coming up
> and I have no idea how we will make informed decisions
> without informed discussion. I feel extremely
> uncomfortable making any of the upcoming decisions
> without all of us receiving more information and
> exploring all the issues, to the point where I think
> we shouldnt vote on them until we have discussed them
> thoroughly, and that means not just a few people,
> those who propose these ideas or are in leadership
> positions, but as much of the membership as possible.
>
> Any other ideas about ways to have this listserve be a
> more broadly accessible forum for discussion?
> Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has such a
> high tolerance for antagonism as those who have been
> dominating this list.
>
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WHEN IS THE LISTSERVE GOING TO CHANGE SO ONLY MEMBERS
CAN PARTICIPATE?
frankly i am through with the whole discussion and it
is messages like the one below that have ended it for
me. It is comments like these that caused the
disscussion in the womens caucus meeting in the first
place (we then brought it to the larger body).
do we think the FBI just dissapeared after the black
panthers, that cointellpro doesn't exist? people are
reading this crap, and they're laughing and they're
planning how to exacerbate the situation even more so
we wont get anything done. this is how the revolution
was smashed in the 70's and we need to read our
histroy and learn from it.
we do not have time to be name calling, its
ridiculous. we have serious work to do. why isn't
anyone talking about how to fill all of the positions
that aren't filled in the campaign so more people are
doing work and we expand and grow? why are we
fighting all of the time?
i think we need to recognize that we are the richest
people in the world and no one else has time to argue
like we do. frankly we don't either. you call
yourself a revolutionary? you say you want unity? do
it, don't say it. if you have time to write four five
emails a day bashing all of the work that people are
doing, you are wasting your time and everyone else's
who has to read your crap.
this is why we are creating a new list serve that is
for members only. because the members of the campaign
are using their democratic right to controll what
their name is involved in. and we are interested in
doing work and the other people are not. all they
want to do is sit at their computer all day and
disrespect people in a public forum and attack all of
the good work we are doing while they do nothing but
try to break up the movement they are riding on.
im sick of this shit and yeah im gonna say it just
like that. i cant wait until we get a new listserve so
i dont have to read all the bullshit anymore.
alyssa joy
--- joseph smith <can_bush@...> wrote:
> tracy i didn't like you before, but before we had a
> workable relationship.
> how is it again that communism is childish, big man?
> republicans in the
> garbage can!
>
> joe
>
>
> >From: TRACYFORD1420@...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
> >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE
> NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I
> >WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO
> RETURNED TO MY FIRST
> >LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH
> ME OUT. I TRY
> >SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A
> CHILD I PLAYED WITH
> >CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY
> CHILDISH THINGS AND
> >PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME
> IS OVER. I BECAME AN
> >APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS
> GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR
> >BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY
> FLOCK IS HUNDRED STRONG.
> >IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO
> TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP
> >BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN
> PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL
> >23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU
> UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO
> >LIKE ME NOW???���
> >TRACY FORD
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
>
>
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Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley. They talked about him like he
was the local Bob Dylan. I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..." For the next few years I
spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & musicians
who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
everyone was missing so deeply. There was a spirit there, and a
consiousness...an awareness and a song. Mark Bradley, though I never met
him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
had otherwise. I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
never even met him. Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
mist........ Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began for
me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
frankenstein buildings makes me numb! We see it all around us in NB.
Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
wonder where they go. So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face. & my
question is, what are we going to do about it? I don't have any easy
answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
-the late and timeless Mark Bradely
...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
"Down with the Multinationals!"
--Matthew Smith
----original message-----
From: Tom Murphy
Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
For everyone who might be interested to know.....
http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
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I second that motion. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Flavio, & all- I think that as long as the substance of this debate remains shrouded in formalism, we will not find an agreeable solution. The heart of the matter lies in this "second, members only" group list & it gets into the nature of the NBPC organization itself: is this to be an open & flexible united front organization that is broad enough to include every view point where we can find some basis for unity against a common enemy, as I would argue is the case with BOL/SWORD? OR- is the NBPC going to become a kind of limited socially progressive/liberal advocate organization fettered by its own bureaucratic legalese and court-room like formalies? You can argue that "nothing is changed, this list remains, only a second is created for members" or we can cut to the issue at hand and recognize that the NBPC will no longer be associated with the only truly open discussion list & will limit ITS debate to "members only", restricting not only BOL/SWORD access, but ANY public member who hasn't OFFICIALLY joined the organization. That said, while I agree with Alyssa's statement that the "put-up-your-dukes" tone of certain individuals is making this debate extremely vulnerable to cointel type interferance, (not to mention making it extremely difficult to defend their right to participate) I must maintain my position against closing the OFFICIAL NBPC list off to the public at large, as we are really struggling over what type of organization this is to be. Struggling for Unity --Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: lsit [sic] serve expulsions Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:03:56 -0000 Speaking for myself and not as campaign GC.... This latest line of debate is more than a little puzzling. Let's first talk about what the March 31 decision was. I posted it in detail in message 1293 based on my notes for the meeting. But let's review: At the last general meeting, the membership overwhelmingly voted to create two NBPC-sponsored yahoogroups/listservs, each of which could be read by ANYONE. One of those groups would be moderated, so as to limit it to posting only official NBPC materials. In the second, posting rights would be broader but would be limited to membership. Next, the membership also voted to have a forum substantially like the present one, i.e. where anyone whether a member or not, could post or read. Keith was at the meeting and he should know that what I've outlined above is what was voted by the members. Yet, he infers that there have been "listserv expulsions" ordered by the membership. Where, Keith? You know it isn't so. Two NEW forums have been created. The present forum will continue... perhaps under this name, perhaps not, but it will continue. Where are all these expulsions you speak of? Two new forums are being created! Where is the repression? Any nonmember will be able to continue to rant and rave as much as they wish, but it will not be on a board in which NBPC sponsorship can be inferred. I don't know why everyone voted as they did at the meeting. I have advanced some of the reasons why I voted as I did and I do not retreat from them. Without going into detail, suffice it to say that neither your views nor Matt's have persuaded me to the contrary. Some other members argued that in order to empower people to better manage the information they receive, the groups should be parsed out. I generally share this view. But some thinkers on this listserv claim that people shouldn't have this choice. They argue that there should be one listserv only for nonmembers' rantings as well as official business. The members' votes from March 31 offers people a choice to join any one or all of these new forums. Let people make this decision! Who are we to make this choice for them? Perhaps they think that other choices of theirs should be taken away as well! For the record, some other members have said that the debate on this board was 'intimidating' to potential new members and that's why they voted as they did at the 3/31 meeting. Personally I do not agree with that as a basis. The campaign needs advocates who will be fierce, not a bunch of Milquetoasts when faced with a view that conflicts with their own, will get scared. That's not the kind of advocate that the people of New Brunswick need at city council meetings or in polling places. The good name of NBPC was being diluted and tarnished under unfair circumstances. I believe that an organization has a right to defend itself and that is why I voted as I did. The decision has now been made and because the Steering Committee follows the decisions of the general meetings and does not disobey them, the decision will be implemented forthwith. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: > Kris and whoever else may be interested, > > I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC meeting to > turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the expressed > purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also expels anyone > who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up the > overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and repeated > on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of intellectual > property rights and trademark rights: > > " In order to safeguard the good name of > the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, > in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark > law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining..." > > In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to democracy. > Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet learned > to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. The > notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound footing in > terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic principles of > humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human advance be > it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective heritage and > birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person creates > anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the one hand > without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, which is not > possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the other. > All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's Campaign > should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of intellectual > property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open debate. > Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude are at > the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is going to > be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick. > > In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There is a > principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property rights... > or maybe it does... > > Keith > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe- Why not let Joe Mosley speak for himself. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:35:33 -0400 tracy ford is also a liar and a con. he's being puppeteered by bright, NB bush. ever since bright got position on housing authority, we see his true supporters coming out ie. el curtis and tracy and nbpc, yes nbpc because silence and no opposition and no public self-criticism for being the ultimate reason this was able to happen means support. i can only hope that the next office you out of towners produce doesn't result in all this harm to THE NEW BRUNSWICK COMMUNITY that you falsely claim to represent. but i thought this heading is to discuss a meeting with mosley to discuss the expulsion of nbpc from the community. i mean the expulsion of slogan "community control" from the nbpc. ok i really mean to discuss the infinite expulsion of six and counting of the most dedicated people to opposing the rise of fascism here on the streets of NB from the nbpc. why do you think mosley doesn't understand? because he sees that we are working harder and more effectively than an organization that at least triples SWORD with membership and resources. and he just can't understand that an organization can claim to represent the people and simotaneously fight against the communists and revolutionaries and NB youth, only to embrace the peoples' enemies-REPUBLICANS ARE THE PEOPLES ENEMIES. he is also probably very confused as to why nbpc would work without the community plan for a community center. though mosley would never step on anybody's toes, this is no less than a smack in the face for his developed plans for a community center. can nbpc post your plans, all i know is $15,000 by september and debrah's money. xavier do you think amiri/myself is wrong to call you an economist? (that is word of mouth, if amiri didn't say it i am) joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Thomas Murphy" <thomasbmurphy67@...>
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:30:57 -0400
this is an another related story....
Area near tavern may be redeveloped
Published in the Home News Tribune 4/05/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: The potential for redevelopment of the area by
the Court Tavern on Church Street moved forward yesterday after
a developer made an offer to buy two nearby parking lots, and
the City Council took the first step in amending its redevelopment plan for
the area.
Bob Albert Jr., who owns the Court Tavern, and Mark Ellenberg,
who owns three properties on Spring Street, expressed concern at last
night's council meeting about future plans for the area. Albert,
fearing he may be forced to sell, has said he will not restart his tavern
business elsewhere.
Omar Boraie's attorney, Thomas Kelso, submitted an offer Tuesday
to the New Brunswick Parking Authority to buy the Paterson Street
and Church Street parking lots for $825,000, said the
authority's attorney, John A. Hoffman with Wilentz, Goldman and Spitzer in
Woodbridge.
Boraie's offer includes a condition that if he did not build on
the land within two years, the Parking Authority could buy it back for the
selling price, plus 7 percent interest, Hoffman said. Boraie
also promised to provide about 100 spaces of public parking for five years
on
the site, said Hoffman.
Boraie wants to construct an office building with a parking deck
below and has been negotiating with the Parking Authority for two
months, said the authority's Executive Director Mitch Karon.
Omar Boraie, reached at his office yesterday, declined to
comment on his plans for the properties. His son, Sam, declined to comment
Tuesday and referred all questions to the father.
The Parking Authority insisted it would only sell Boraie the
lots if he would construct an office building, said Hoffman, noting the
authority
would not want to sell so Boraie could operate parking lots.
The authority would not close on the sale until Boraie had
received a redeveloper designation from the New Brunswick Housing &
Redevelopment Authority and had applied for a building permit,
said Hoffman.
Boraie's offer will be presented to the Parking Authority board
of commissioners at its April 17 meeting, Hoffman said. He considered the
$825,000 offer "in the bounds of reasonableness," noting the two
lots would be sold in "as-is condition," meaning Boraie would assume all
subsurface and environmental risks.
Boraie's first offer, for $704,000 on March 1, was rejected,
Hoffman said. The two parking lots were appraised at $848,000, not
$868,000 as previously reported by Karon, Hoffman said.
Hoffman said he did not know what Boraie wants to build.
"I saw a plan, but I don't know what it covers," said Hoffman,
adding he did not know how high Boraie wished to build.
Any new construction on the site would have to be less than 96
feet or eight stories if an amendment to the city's downtown redevelopment
plan is approved in two weeks.
Last night, the City Council introduced the amendment, which
also added the Paterson Street parking deck and three properties on Spring
Street to the redevelopment plan. The plan amendment is
significant because it nearly doubles a redevelopment sub-area that
previously
included just the Court Tavern and Court Street parking lot,
potentially making the plot more attractive to a redeveloper.
A public hearing on the amendment to the plan and final vote are
scheduled for the next council meeting on April 18.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
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>Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:17
>
>
>Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
>
>
>One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
>New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
>was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
>everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley. They talked about him like
>he
>was the local Bob Dylan. I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
>when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
>whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
>asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..." For the next few years
>I
>spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
>events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists &
>musicians
>who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
>the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
>everyone was missing so deeply. There was a spirit there, and a
>consiousness...an awareness and a song. Mark Bradley, though I never met
>him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
>had otherwise. I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
>never even met him. Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
>should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
>while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
>mist........ Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began
>for
>me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
>under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
>can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
>frankenstein buildings makes me numb! We see it all around us in NB.
>Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
>bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
>to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
>wonder where they go. So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
>who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face. & my
>question is, what are we going to do about it? I don't have any easy
>answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
>loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
>if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
>
>"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
>when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>
> -the late and timeless Mark Bradely
>
>...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
>
> "Down with the Multinationals!"
>
>--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----original message-----
>
>From: Tom Murphy
>Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
>
>For everyone who might be interested to know.....
>
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
>
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Thomas Murphy" <thomasbmurphy67@...>
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:27:38 -0400
Matt here is today's story. Just so you know there have been three articles
three days in a row about the Court tavern....
the home news is www.thnt.com
Mayor suggests Court Tavern owner relocate within area
Published in the Home News Tribune 4/06/01
By SHARON WATERS
and CHRIS JORDAN
STAFF WRITERS
NEW BRUNSWICK: Court Tavern owner Bob Albert Jr. was urged by
Mayor James M. Cahill yesterday to consider relocating within
the area if the Church Street nightclub is displaced by a
development project.
Albert said he would be agreeable to a move only if it were to a
location in the immediate area, but he doubts such a place can be found.
"That seems to me a very difficult thing to do," Albert said. "I
don't know where they could put me."
Cahill told a reporter, "I would encourage any developer, as
well as Bob Albert, to incorporate the Court Tavern into any redevelopment
scheme and relocate it within the area," noting the
redevelopment process includes compensating owners for the value of their
properties as
well as helping them relocate.
When told that Albert originally said he would rather close the
tavern than relocate it, Cahill said, "That's not the city turning its back
on
that type of entertainment. It would be a decision by Mr.
Albert."
Albert said that his business would need to be moved to a
nonresidential downtown area from Albany Street to Livingston Avenue.
"This is a nonresidential area, and we're not bothering any of
our neighbors here," said Albert of his current 124 Church St. location.
"I'll be
the first to admit that it gets pretty loud down there."
Developer Omar Boraie has made an offer to buy the Paterson and
Church streets parking lots from the New Brunswick Parking
Authority for $825,000. Boraie wants to build an office building
and parking deck on the site, Parking Authority officials said.
The City Council is considering amending its downtown
redevelopment plan to nearly double a redevelopment sub-area near the
tavern,
potentially making the plot more attractive to a developer.
Albert, who rejected a "ludicrous" offer from Boraie for the
nightclub, fears he will be forced out if a redevelopment project is
approved on
the land. When Boraie initially approached Albert about buying
the club, Boraie suggested that the club could be moved to Somerset
Street, a location closer to the Rutgers University campus,
Albert said.
"For whatever reason this bar never appealed to the college
kids, and we've never done serious business with the college," Albert said.
"My main problem with going up on campus is that it's a
residential area, and there's no way I could do what I'm doing down here
now."
The city's rock 'n' roll music fans fear a Court Tavern closing
would be a sign the city's music scene is waning. They accuse city officials
of
not recognizing the importance of the live-music scene, a charge
Cahill denied.
Relocating does not have to mean starting over for the tavern,
said Cahill.
"It's really an opportunity for the Court Tavern to grow, become
more profitable and play even a larger role of the rock 'n' roll scene in
New Brunswick," the mayor said.
There are a number of sites where the Court Tavern could move
but Cahill declined to list any, saying his speculation as a city official
could
impact acquisition prices for alternative sites.
"I'm afraid that plans are being made, and I haven't been
involved in them," Albert said. "That's why the (City Council) meeting on
the 18th
(of April) is very important. Wheels are turning, and I'm
standing here scratching my head. It's nerve racking."
The preferred development for the area near the Court Tavern
would be a combination of office and parking with some retail, Cahill said.
When asked if a project could be built with the Court Tavern
remaining where it is, Cahill said, "I would imagine a property could be
built
in any way. If you carve out something, it could make for a
strange configuration of a building over there."
Cahill said the developer and Albert would need to evaluate what
makes the most sense.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
Chris Jordan: (732) 565-7275. E-mail cjordan@...
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>Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:17
>
>
>Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
>
>
>One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
>New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
>was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
>everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley. They talked about him like
>he
>was the local Bob Dylan. I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
>when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
>whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
>asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..." For the next few years
>I
>spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
>events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists &
>musicians
>who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
>the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
>everyone was missing so deeply. There was a spirit there, and a
>consiousness...an awareness and a song. Mark Bradley, though I never met
>him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
>had otherwise. I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
>never even met him. Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
>should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
>while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
>mist........ Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began
>for
>me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
>under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
>can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
>frankenstein buildings makes me numb! We see it all around us in NB.
>Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
>bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
>to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
>wonder where they go. So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
>who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face. & my
>question is, what are we going to do about it? I don't have any easy
>answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
>loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
>if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
>
>"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
>when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>
> -the late and timeless Mark Bradely
>
>...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
>
> "Down with the Multinationals!"
>
>--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----original message-----
>
>From: Tom Murphy
>Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
>
>For everyone who might be interested to know.....
>
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
>
>
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Americans Arrive To Study in Cuba The Associated Press, Wed 4 Apr 2001 HAVANA (AP) ? A U.S. flag was flown and the American anthem was played Wednesday as Cuba welcomed eight young Americans arriving here to study medicine courtesy of the communist government. The six women and two men from minority families arrived in Havana late Tuesday. They are the first Americans to attend a free six-year program to become physicians originally designed for impoverished students in Latin America. President Fidel Castro offered to extend the free medical training to include up to 500 Americans when he met last May with a delegation from the Congressional Black Caucus. ``It would be hard for your government to oppose such a program,'' Castro told the U.S. lawmakers at the time. ``It would be a trial for them. Morally, how could they refuse?'' The U.S. State Department later said it would not oppose the program, saying that it had been American policy to encourage contact between ordinary Cubans and Americans. ``This is a modest beginning to a revolutionary and visionary idea,'' said the Rev. Lucius Walker, head of the U.S. organization Pastors for Peace, which regularly brings medicine and other humanitarian aid to the Caribbean island. ``We are confident that you will open your arms and your hearts and receive our children as your own,'' Walker told Cubans attending a small welcoming ceremony on Wednesday at the Latin American School of Medicine. ``This is an opportunity for me to study medicine and become a great doctor while learning about the Cuban medical system,'' said Karima Mosi, 22, of San Diego. ``I understand that the medical school in Cuba is among the best in Latin America and the world, so I have no reservations about my education,'' Mosi said. The Americans join more than 4,000 other students from 24 other nations in Latin America, the Caribbean and Africa who now attend classes at the medical school, which opened two years ago. When commenting last November on Cuba's proposed program for American medical students, the U.S. State Department noted that it was unclear whether Americans who receive training in Cuba will be able to meet licensing requirements once they return home. Many Cuban physicians who emigrate to the United States have had difficulty obtaining permission to practice. Cuba also proposed sending its own doctors to poor areas of the United States as part of the program, but the State Department said the idea was rejected. Cuba has a surplus of doctors and dispatches thousands abroad each year to work in other developing countries. Shortages of basic medicines have been acute in recent years in Cuba, particularly in the decade since the collapse of the Soviet Union ? once the island's principal trading partner. Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Ten Reasons for Reparations Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet April 3, 2001 Viewed on April 6, 2001 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conservative muckraker David Horowitz has been verbally mugged for peddling an ad to college newspapers giving ten reasons why reparations are racist. But the name callers have done little more than canonize Horowitz as a martyr for truth and free speech. Even worse, they've failed miserably to tell why reparations merit a serious look. There are ten compelling reasons it does. 1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame for slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This designated a black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political representation purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by mandating that all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to their masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were taken in the United States. 2. Major institutions profited from slavery. In October, the California state legislature passed a bill requiring insurance companies to disclose whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This was recognition that insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The insurance industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and investment houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases, investments in Southern land and products, and the transport, and sale of slaves. 3. Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C. public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash starved, failing public schools than whites. 4. There's a direct cost for slavery's legacy. Former Federal Reserve Board Chairman Andrew Brimmer estimates that discrimination costs blacks $10 billion yearly through the black-white wage gap, denial of capital access, inadequate public services, and reduced social security and other government benefits. This has been called the "black tax." 5. The U.S. government has shelled out billions since the 1960s to pay for resettlement, job training, education, and health programs for refugees fleeing Communist repression. Politicians and the majority of the public enthusiastically backed these payments as the morally and legally right thing to do. 6. The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most Americans admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked severe pain and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, Oakland, and Los Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions supporting a federal commission to study reparations. Also, there was no national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity payments, provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans interned during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and mineral rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army during World War II. 7. No legislation has been proposed that mandates taxpayers pay billions to blacks. A bill by Michigan Democrat John Conyers that has languished in Congress since 1993 simply establishes a commission to study the effects of slavery. The estimated cost is less than $10 million. 8. There is a precedent for paying blacks for past legal and moral wrongs. In 1997 Clinton apologized and the U.S. government paid $10 million to the black survivors and family members victimized by the syphilis experiment conducted in the 1930's by the U.S. Public Health Service. In 1994, the Florida legislature agreed to make payments to the survivors and relatives of those who lost their lives and property when a white mob destroyed the all-black town of Rosewood in 1923. The carnage was tacitly condoned by public officials and law enforcement officers. The Oklahoma state legislature is currently considering reparations payments to the survivors and their descendants of the destruction of black neighborhoods in Tulsa by white mobs in 1921. 9. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and other mega-rich blacks will not receive a penny in reparations. Any tax money to redress black suffering should go into a fund to bolster funding for AIDS/HIV education and prevention, underfinanced inner-city public schools, to expand job skills and training, drug and alcohol counseling and rehabilitation, computer access and literacy training programs, and to improve public services for the estimated one in four blacks still trapped in poverty. 10. Thirty years ago a writer passionately argued that the U.S. government has kept the "black ghettos in a colonial status since Reconstruction" and refused to meet the "most basic political and economic demands of the black movement." That writer was David Horowitz. He made the argument in his book, Empire and Revolution, a blistering indictment of the U.S. government. Radical hyperbole notwithstanding, Horowitz recognized then that America owed a debt to black America for past and present sins. It still does. Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the President of The National Alliance for Positive Action and the author of The Disappearance of Black Leadership (Middle Passage Press). _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I'll throw in some thoughts ... Well, I would tend to agree with Flavio on the point that, as a matter of plain fact, no censorship is taking place. Two new egroups are being created (only one of them is really a matter of controversy). This group is not being censored. Nobody is being forced to abandon this group in favor of exclusively discussing matters within the soon-to-be official discussion group for the Campaign. If it proves impossible to rename this group, people can easily continue their discussions within a similarly named group that could be created in a matter of five minutes. In fact, you could probably, though minimal effort, crosspost the entire backlog of messages from this group to another group. Again, as Charlotte pointed out, electronic discussion groups are a unique -- and uniquely flexible -- medium that don't bear direct resemblance to either print media or face-to-face discussion. (That's in part the problem with discussing 'censorship' here -- censorship is relative to the medium you're discussing. It is no more absolute and transcendent of context than 'free speech). Otherwise: There are a number of subtexts at work here. It may be better to state them in more precise terms than 'censorship', which is quickly turning into something of a catch-all phrase. To address some of those subtexts rather quickly: 1) Part of this seems to be an argument, really, about how much the People's Campaign ought to expand and professionalize as an organization. Ought there to be a certain division of labor, with specific individuals responsible for coordinating specific tasks? Ought there to be a variety of procedural mechanisms and regulations? The fact is that as a political organization grows, as it accepts new members and becomes more diverse in its base, it becomes more laden with procedures, officers/offices, and so forth. This is necessary to ensure both fairness and efficiency. Obviously, this seems distasteful to some people: the feeling of solidarity is an appealing aspect of community organizing, and to some people's minds, these developments might appear as antagonistic to solidarity. To divide up the lists in this fashion might seem like a move away from an ethic of solidarity and towards an ethic of professional political organizing. I personally am skeptical whether these are entirely mutually exclusive; I think that would be a rather dogmatic conclusion to reach. 2) Some people have suggested, it seems, that this is an attempt to censor the Block on Lock individuals. If the concern that their messages were jamming up the list _inspired_ a discussion about the nature of the list, it still isn't reasonable to argue that this is a mere attempt to censor them. The inspiration or origin of something and its actual meaning and importance are two _very_ different issues. A Marxist would call equating the origin of something with its substance 'undialectical'. To argue otherwise, I think, would be in essence to say that words are never anything more than mere bludgeons. In that case, why bother arguing at all? FURTHERMORE, all of these concerns were being voiced long ago. First, there has been the longstanding concern of getting schedules and announcements to people who don't want to be on the main discussion list. Second, there's been concerns about individuals being simply obnoxious, disruptive, or posing threats from anonymous email accounts in the past. (Recall, eg, the individual who claimed to be some kind of Black Nationalist way back over the summer). Furthermore, for awhile, there was no discussion on the list whatsoever, really. So in part, the problem is how to _stimulate_ discussion on the lists. That in itself could've just as easily been the force of inspiration for the creation of the new lists. So, again, you see that the argument about this being an attack on the Smiths et al is sort of untenable. Yours, Jeremy
exhibit A of civil-libertarian "constitutionalism" serving imperial ends to e.g. defend Klan marches and effectively censor communists. more democracy, not less! >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > >Matt: > >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding >egroups taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of >the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, >in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark >law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining, >decided that: > >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a >moderator screens all messages. That list will be used for official >NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters >etc. Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the >moderator will be posted. > >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. >Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or >read the messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any >way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists >and what will become of the present list, is still under >consideration. This is not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample >forums for debate and discussion will remain. However, by parsing >this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties >who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what >kind of information they want to receive. Likewise, onlookers will >be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is >members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
guideline #1 for pc membership: endorse republicans against working class community activists. >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:11:36 > >Matthew, > >I respect the point you are trying to make with this post. However, I feel >strongly that you can't make such sharp judgement on the decisions made at >Campaign general meetings (in this case re: participation in the egroups) >when you were entirely absent from the debate. I don't know who gave you a >report of what went down, but I disagree with your characterization of what >happened. > >to clarify, the decision was to change the way that the egroup operates so >that only members of the Campaign can make posts. as you know, the >guidelines for becoming a member of the Campaign are extremely broad. This >decision was discussed at length, and stemmed from many people's discontent >with how the egroup has degenerated. I have heard from many people that >they >don't feel comfortable with the tone of the discussions a lot of the time, >and they don't feel comfortable to make posts for fear of being attacked. > >Regardless of your feelings on this (and we should talk about this), the >vote was taken based on substantial debate on the matter. Frankly, I dont >think that the decision was ideal (I myself led the proposal). but it is an >immediate attempt to fix a problem that was actually inhibiting >communication for the majority. this policy is not set in stone. i really >want to hear what other people think about the state of this egroup. > >Anyway, I think you need to participate yourself matt in these meetings and >discussions so that you know exactly where people are at. I'm afraid that >there's a lot of miscommunication and misinformation being shared. i'm not >sure where the "intellectual property" argument comes from. I also didn't >know that you were "concerned" about BoL's expulsion. Am I right to assume >that you felt that way when it happened back in May (i think?)? > >also in unity, >Kristina > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:34:06 > > > >As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear >as > >to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' > >Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it >would > >seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members > >are > >likely unaware of the particulars. > > > >(Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed > >meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & > >BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, > >imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have > >been > >shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them >from > >the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this > >domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a > >violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic >& > >bourgeois concept is it. Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to >voice > >my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when >banning > >people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent >and > >scientific way...remember WBAI?! > > > >In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400 > > > >name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the >discussion > >should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the > >nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the > >peoples' enemies. > > > >republicans in the garbage can! > > > >joe > > > > > > >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@...> > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, "Tom > > >DeGloma" <tdegloma@...>, <Xavier.hansen@...> > > >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 > > > > > >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that >at > > >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural > >matters > > >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all. > > > > > >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and > >Xavier > > >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you >agree > >to > > >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did > >not > > >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to > >hear > > >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like >to > > >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are >not, > > >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or >issues? > > > > > >Feel free to call on me any time. > > > > > >Peace, > > > > > >JoeMosley > > >745-2602 > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: can_bush@... > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > > > > > > > >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must > > >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and > > >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist > > >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two > > >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are > > >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death? > > >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the > > >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order > > >to be embraced by the majority of people. > > > > > >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular - > > >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black > > >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every > > >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every > > >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers > > >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence > > >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...". > > >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against > > >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the > > >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the > > >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is > > >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the > > >united front against racist profiling develop. > > > > > >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow > > >particulars, which it is presently doing. therefor it must be > > >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination > > >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of > > >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in > > >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive, > > >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans. > > > > > >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of > > >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though > > >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the > > >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or > > >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the > > >strenthening of the coalition. > > > > > >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no > > >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions, > > >comments are needed. > > > > > >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation > > > > > >joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and progress. Period. You fight against anything that is an objective limit to democracy. I agree that blacks are oppressed in America. Do they comprise a nation, though, in the strict sense of the word? I don't think so. We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway. You cannot base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without falling into totalitarianism. In the United States, this was the initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument that it almost destroyed the country. In fact, the extent to which they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was the extent to which white actually helped save their own country. I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be essentially pre-modern. It has no place in modern democracy. Sorry. That's the way it is. If your idea of a nation, and what you fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're just not really progressive. Are you an internationalist? I hope you are if you're a Marxist. Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing nation state? Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or am I misunderstanding your position? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist profiling at all, > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put forward? > > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign slogan?) > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community would > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, police, &tc. > by democratically controlling these institutions. self- determination is a > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit black > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist. > > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america? > > joe > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > >Joe, > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not heard > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came up, I > >would be against both of those lines. > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue. > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both > >theory and practice? > > > >Jim > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > Press Secretary > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > >Campaign, > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities > >and > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > >Senate > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a > >hate > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > >police > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators > >from > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, > >the > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > >good > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
great work charlotte! re: "...protest against gender[?] violence and celebration of women's power...", women are a "sex", no? "freedom & equality for the oppressed sex"--Lenin self-determination & reparations for women! cliff >From: "Charlotte L. Kates" <ckates@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <w_d_c@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, ><njfo@yahoogroups.com>, <ru_ignite@yahoogroups.com>, ><starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com>, <caellian@...> >Subject: [nbpc] TAKE BACK THE NIGHT! >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:25:46 -0400 > >Thursday, April 12, at 7 PM....TAKE BACK THE NIGHT! > >The annual protest against gender violence and celebration of women's power >is returning to Rutgers next week! Women gather at Voorhees at 7 PM for >speakers and performances, followed by the famous march down George Street, >College Avenue, Hamilton, and Mine Street to Brower Commons. Women and men >will meet at Brower at 10 PM for speakers and open mic! > >We are having one more planning meeting--this coming Monday, at 9:30 PM, in >the Women's Center at the DCC--come if you're interested! In addition, >T-shirts will be sold at all dining halls next week, as well as at the >event >itself. They are $10 and work to support TBTN. > >This event is *always* important and memorable--hope to see everyone there! > >-charlotte > > >Charlotte L. Kates****ckates@...****clkates@... > http://www.offlines.org/-Freedom from Scientology > http://members.nbci.com/justinusa/-JUSTIN: Justice International > Practice organized resistance and conscious acts of solidarity! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
the Democratic Leadership Council was actually built by sold-out radicals (Clinton & assassinated Sec. of Commerce Ron Brown)to move the Democratic Party away from the threat of Jesse Jackson's 80's presidential bids, toward Reagan republican "trickle-down-ism". >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] corzine and the DLC >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:17:09 > >I thought people may be interested in reading Corzine's latest position on >the DLC and the Democratic party in general... > >The Nation - >COMMENT | April 16, 2001 > >A Time To Be Bold >by JON CORZINE > >In recent months, as a newly elected senator, I have had to decide whether >to join the Democratic Leadership Council. I have chosen not to because >while I shared its founding purpose, which was to frame a successful >response to President Reagan's efforts to portray Democrats as the party of >"tax and spend," social engineering and failed personal responsibility, I >believe that purpose has been largely accomplished. > >Today, I believe that it is vital for Democrats to stand up for a sharply >defined progressive agenda--one that is committed to fighting for practical >and progressive policies for working families and America's middle >class--even when that means challenging powerful interests and the status >quo. I am absolutely convinced that, standing on the foundation of fiscal >stability that Democrats have built and to which the DLC contributed, we >now >have to fight for our convictions. If we begin to negotiate from the >middle, >the end result inevitably takes us to the right of where I believe our >nation should be. > >Nothing is more relevant to this point than today's debate over the Bush >tax >cut proposal. Democrats must remain firmly opposed to this budget-busting >plan, which provides disproportionate benefits for the richest 1 percent of >our population. It is relevant and essential to our argument that this tax >cut is not only unfocused and poorly timed but also unfair. In fact, if we >yield on fairness before the debate begins, we forfeit our fundamental >ground. That is one reason I have proposed a tax cut that gives an >immediate >break to everyone equally and is targeted toward working families. > >Moreover, the DLC has not convinced me that we should turn away from >advocating an activist government--one that, for example, sees healthcare >as >a basic right for all Americans. And while compromise is an acceptable end, >too much of it too soon has led to a paralysis on fundamental concerns such >as healthcare, gun safety, the environment and educational opportunity. > >The critical point to be made by progressives in our national debate is >this: While there are programs that have failed and should be reformed or >eliminated, proactive government has often succeeded. An activist >government >was a driving force in the prosperity of the 1990s, as well as in providing >our historic safety net, including Social Security, Medicare and Head >Start. >An activist government invested in the development of the Internet and the >space program and spurred today's technological revolution. It was >government investment that built our highways, air transit system and much >of our communications network. And the list goes on. Without progressive >leadership, would segregation have been outlawed? Would women have achieved >as much access as they now have to equal rights? The pressure for >advancement came from grassroots progressives. That said, reform and >progress required our government to respond and lead. We're still far from >the ideal, as racial profiling and unequal incomes for women and minorities >attest. There are no African-American or Latino senators, but at least >there >are thirteen women senators--surely not enough, but more than there have >ever been before. The lesson of history is clear: Equal rights for all >depend on public action and so do equal pay, worker safety and retirement >security. The barriers to opportunity for all don't just fall on their own. > >Today, the progressive agenda must address the great unfinished >challenges--for women, for middle-class families, for minorities and the >poor. It's a hopeful agenda rooted in ideas and our ideals. As I put it in >my Senate campaign, "Everyone ought to have the same access to the American >promise I've had." America must be a society of equal opportunity and equal >protection before the law. So I believe the progressive agenda of our party >is more important than ever. And the principle that should guide us is >clear: While we can't achieve equal outcomes, we can and must assure equal >opportunity. > >We also have to articulate the truth that advancing social and economic >justice advances everyone's prosperity. We need to challenge the special >interests that would limit the rights of labor and the opportunities of >women and minorities, because we need all the talents of all our people to >achieve maximum productivity and growth. We need to challenge the health >insurance industry and finally win the battle for universal access to >healthcare, because it is morally right and economically rational. Just >because conservatives have demonized the term "universal healthcare" we >should not walk away from that battle for the sake of a calculated centrism >that splits the difference between right and wrong. > >When I was a candidate, the polls said that the majority of New Jersey >voters disagreed with my opposition to the death penalty. I'm grateful the >voters respected that I said what I believed even when it wasn't popular. >As >progressives, we must be ready to do that. Most of the progressive >agenda--healthcare, the environment, gun safety, a progressive tax policy-- >reflects the values and the ideals of the majority of our people. They will >vote for our agenda if we present it in practical terms and fight for it. > >So while I respect the contribution of the DLC and while I respect its >leaders, I'm not ready to join. The answer to "compassionate conservatism" >isn't timid progressivism. It's a real commitment to equal opportunity, to >fiscal responsibility and a fair society. We can and must be a party with >the courage to stand tall for our beliefs because that's how we will be >able >to win as the party of the people. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
julie- produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis. the remarks of him co-operating with the j&j & their political machine came from curtis' mouth, not ours. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:41:36 > > > > >From: Julie Poulos >To: vivaohio@... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) > >Matthew, >I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity >should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking >at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists. >First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words >can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where >individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints, >viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with >words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument >would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the >existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument, >one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or >not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within >NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved >through practice. >As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a >point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me. >As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has >responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with >their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine & >J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF >UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to >stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to >the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the >people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated >by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match >moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if >they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks. >I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their >child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming >environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the >People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it >is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a >spirit of respect and unity. >Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of >Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not >be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas >as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post >such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign. >In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me, >Julie >PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you >because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the >individual if we are replying to an individual. >--- Matthew Smith wrote: > >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others >are > >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I > >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts > >to about the same thing... > > > >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists >1 > >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay > > > >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third > >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent > >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This > >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official > >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we > >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible > >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and > >institutions) > > > >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do > >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you > >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a > >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This > >legal > > > >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not >secure > >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are > >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. > > > >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's > >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction >on > >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, > >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary >positions > >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad > >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we > >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community >along > >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for > >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the > >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end >up > >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI > >Radio. > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > > > >Matt: > > > >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups > >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New >Brunswick > >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with > >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, >with > >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that: > > > >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator > >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC > >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any > >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator >will > >be posted. > > > >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only >NBPC > >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > > > >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in > >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read >the > >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and > >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > > > >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and > >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This >is > >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and >discussion > >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC > >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be > >able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive. > >Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what > >is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion > >concerning NBPC. > > > > > > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and the only "concrete" political basis for national equality. to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > >Joe, > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not heard >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came up, I >would be against both of those lines. > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone >national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue. > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both >theory and practice? > >Jim > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > Press Secretary > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's >Campaign, > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities >and > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State >Senate > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > >Verniero. > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a >hate > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state >police > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators >from > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, >the > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are >good > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> 1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame for > slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This designated a > black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political representation > purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by mandating that > all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to their > masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court > reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were taken in > the United States. "The U.S. government" was largely comprised of dead Southern planters. Please keep that in mind. There were more Southern states than Northern States, and the Supreme Court was made up of more justices from the South than from the North. Simple reasoning here would lead one to see that the government was in the hands of a reactionary, pre-modern clique. When modernity triumphed over pre-modernity in the U.S., THEN the government betrayed the revolution by throwing power back into the hands of the states. Do you want to punish the U.S. government for that betrayal? Is that what you're going to argue here? > > > 2. Major institutions profited from slavery. In October, the California > state legislature passed a bill requiring insurance companies to disclose > whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This was recognition that > insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The insurance > industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and investment > houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases, > investments in Southern land and products, and the transport, and sale of > slaves. Here's a tip: The whole damn world benefitted from the products of slavery. Where do you think all the workers in Europe got the cotton for their clothes? > > > 3. Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report > by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C. > public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic > and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to > live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and > housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash starved, > failing public schools than whites. Sure, but then again, the black middle class has grown steadily while the white middle class has been shrinking. What happens when a impoverished black becomes middle class? He or she moves out, right? I don't see how you can blame a person for wanting to leave the ghetto. But the reality is that it changes the social relations when black professionals leave a community. And as you'll find out if you debate me rather than posting information to me (I can go find information myself), I believe social relations are the problem and not simply *money*. > > > 4. There's a direct cost for slavery's legacy. Former Federal Reserve Board > Chairman Andrew Brimmer estimates that discrimination costs blacks $10 > billion yearly through the black-white wage gap, denial of capital access, > inadequate public services, and reduced social security and other government > benefits. This has been called the "black tax." Yep. Largely racism has not diminished at all since the 60s. I mean, people lie about it. They say they're not racist, because they have been told it is wrong to say racist things. But if you get them to express their true opinions on people of other colored skin, they'll tell you that they're prejudiced. A group of psychology students from University of California did an experiment like this back in 80s I think where they went around, trying to gauge people in words and actions how they feel about ... THE OTHER. Well, needless to say, on the questionaires they were all "tolerant" and whatnot, but when it came down to anonymous action, a diner owner would deny service to a person simply on the basis of ... the color of their skin. So don't just blame the U.S. government. There would appear to be an endemic cultural problem of racism in this country that is not simply reducible to money signs. > > > 5. The U.S. government has shelled out billions since the 1960s to pay for > resettlement, job training, education, and health programs for refugees > fleeing Communist repression. Politicians and the majority of the public > enthusiastically backed these payments as the morally and legally right > thing to do. > > > 6. The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most Americans > admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked severe pain > and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, Oakland, and Los > Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions > supporting a federal commission to study reparations. Also, there was no > national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity payments, > provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans interned > during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and mineral > rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army during > World War II. Well, I'm not concerned about making whites hate blacks any more than they do. I'm not arguing this from the point of view of somebody who says, "To hell with blacks. I'm not paying for them..." I'm arguing from the point of view of somebody who has a genuine interest in seeing the disappearance of racism, but I just don't think reparations are the way to do it. > > > 7. No legislation has been proposed that mandates taxpayers pay billions to > blacks. A bill by Michigan Democrat John Conyers that has languished in > Congress since 1993 simply establishes a commission to study the effects of > slavery. The estimated cost is less than $10 million. You're not just talking about the effects of studying slavery. You're talking about paying a large sum of money to poor blacks. Question: Why were there never reparations for the Irish? The answer is tied in largely to what the *real* problem of racism against blacks is in the U.S. That it's *not* just money. It's a question of national identity and social relations. > > > 8. There is a precedent for paying blacks for past legal and moral wrongs. > In 1997 Clinton apologized and the U.S. government paid $10 million to the > black survivors and family members victimized by the syphilis experiment > conducted in the 1930's by the U.S. Public Health Service. In 1994, the > Florida legislature agreed to make payments to the survivors and relatives > of those who lost their lives and property when a white mob destroyed the > all-black town of Rosewood in 1923. The carnage was tacitly condoned by > public officials and law enforcement officers. The Oklahoma state > legislature is currently considering reparations payments to the survivors > and their descendants of the destruction of black neighborhoods in Tulsa by > white mobs in 1921. > > > 9. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and other mega-rich blacks will > not receive a penny in reparations. Any tax money to redress black suffering > should go into a fund to bolster funding for AIDS/HIV education and > prevention, underfinanced inner-city public schools, to expand job skills > and training, drug and alcohol counseling and rehabilitation, computer > access and literacy training programs, and to improve public services for > the estimated one in four blacks still trapped in poverty. > > > 10. Thirty years ago a writer passionately argued that the U.S. government > has kept the "black ghettos in a colonial status since Reconstruction" and > refused to meet the "most basic political and economic demands of the black > movement." That writer was David Horowitz. He made the argument in his book, > Empire and Revolution, a blistering indictment of the U.S. government. > Radical hyperbole notwithstanding, Horowitz recognized then that America > owed a debt to black America for past and present sins. It still does.
"& their hoses won't be worth a dime... for the fire next time!" >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, mcrockford@..., >djbender@..., unlockingexits@..., renren59@..., >sztamke@..., kvt@..., NatBender@..., >traceyx@... >Subject: [nbpc] Long Live the Court Tavern! >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:10:49 > > >Hey folks- the Court Tavern has a long and storied history of struggling >and >against the grain of the NB Machine and for positive culture, and so far >its >been survival...for decades, they have built up networks of local >progressive artists and activism. My advice is to contact Bobby and ask >him >what sort of help they need...and look to bring the Court on board the >broader struggle against this gentrification by talking it up with the >regulars. But approached it in an organized way (as opposed to hald a >dozen >people running to him with a dozen plans for action) so that Bobby & Co. >feels that by working with us it will better their chance for continued >survival rather than feeling that their establishment will be jeopordized >further, as has happened in the past. It's a great opportunity to bridge a >gap between what is left of the more passive progressive/artistic NB >community & the working class neighborhoods... > >"They'll damn sure feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the >heat...when >the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!" >-the late & timeless Mark Bradely, NB singer/songwriter > >Matthew > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:53:35 -0400 > >good work alyssa, there will definitely be a chance for the public to >speak, >plus bobby alverez, owner of tavern, will be there to question city's >motives. it should be tied to the overall attack on arts and culture that >is >taking place in New Brunswick in order to gain support base for arguement. > >joe > > > >From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite > >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) > > > >The Home News reported this morning that the court > >tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to > >city redevelopers who want to build an office on the > >corner of Church and Spring Streets. > > > >We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city > >council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on > >this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk > >about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city > >redevelopment. > > > >the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard > >St. > > > >Please let us know if you can attend by an email on > >the egroups. > > > >thanks > >alyssa joy > >steering commitee rep for the women's caucus > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
from the predictions of Prophet Paul McGee: "next SWORD will demand community control over cyberspace..." hmm >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] lsit serve expulsions >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:21:36 -0000 > >Kris and whoever else may be interested, > >I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC meeting to >turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the expressed >purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also expels >anyone >who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up the >overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and repeated >on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of intellectual >property rights and trademark rights: > >" In order to safeguard the good name of >the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, >in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark >law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining..." > >In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to democracy. >Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet learned >to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. The >notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound footing in >terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic principles >of >humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human advance >be >it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective heritage >and >birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person creates >anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the one hand >without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, which is >not >possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the other. >All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's Campaign >should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of intellectual >property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open debate. >Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude are at >the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is going to >be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick. > >In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There is a >principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property rights... >or maybe it does... > >Keith >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Self-determination is a basic democratic right? So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. down here, that's ok? Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm not following. I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get reparations out of this? And show me how rejecting national self-determination and reparations makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and the only > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > >Joe, > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not heard > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came up, I > >would be against both of those lines. > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue. > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both > >theory and practice? > > > >Jim > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > Press Secretary > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > >Campaign, > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities > >and > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > >Senate > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a > >hate > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > >police > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators > >from > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, > >the > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > >good > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
pro-republican fascist censorship or working-class anti-imperialism? tick, tick, tick... >From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] listserve >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:42:34 -0700 (PDT) > >My opinion on the listserve has nothing to do with >intellectual property rights but the desire to keep >people interested in the campaign on the listserve, so >that the list can serve its function as a place where >people concerned about the campaign can discuss it. > >Over the last few weeks I noticed the following: 1. >It has been brought to my attention that members are >leaving the listserve because it has become dominated >by the antagonisms largely of a few people not even in >the campaign 2. The machine is printing out and >sharing everything we write, and alot of it is not >representative of the campaign. One member brought up >this concern and we had a full discussion of this in >women's caucus. 3. The last anonymous obscene posting >was the last straw for me. At the very least people >should stand for what they post on this site. > >The need to address the listserve has been brought >forward by members in the campaign. At the last >meeting, we tried to address it. > >I opposed a moderator because that to me is the direct >practice of censorship. What other approaches do we >have than setting up 3 lists, so that each person >concerned about the campaign can be a part of >information sharing and discussion to the greatest >extent possible? I am open to other solutions, but >the problem of #1. above is of greatest concern to me >and my understanding is it must be addressed so people >in the campaign remain involved in discussion. > >Weve got alot of huge, critical decisions coming up >and I have no idea how we will make informed decisions >without informed discussion. I feel extremely >uncomfortable making any of the upcoming decisions >without all of us receiving more information and >exploring all the issues, to the point where I think >we shouldnt vote on them until we have discussed them >thoroughly, and that means not just a few people, >those who propose these ideas or are in leadership >positions, but as much of the membership as possible. > >Any other ideas about ways to have this listserve be a >more broadly accessible forum for discussion? >Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has such a >high tolerance for antagonism as those who have been >dominating this list. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
viva peoples' cuba! >From: hajdukmi@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >CC: aspirito70@..., rbender65@..., Funkhouser@..., >mcrockford@..., citruswar@..., djbender@..., >unlockingexits@..., emilio@..., bigjuba@..., >renren59@..., sztamke@..., kmyers@..., OH_G@..., >MeadHajduk@..., essenjovu@..., msda_msmith@..., >hajdukmi@..., monicaroses@..., NatBender@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, traceyx@..., >vspirito@... >Subject: [nbpc] Americans Arrive To Study in Cuba >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:48 -0400 > > >Americans Arrive To Study in Cuba >The Associated Press, Wed 4 Apr 2001 > >HAVANA (AP) ? A U.S. flag was flown and the American anthem was played >Wednesday as Cuba welcomed eight young Americans arriving here to study >medicine courtesy of the communist government. > >The six women and two men from minority families arrived in Havana late >Tuesday. They are the first Americans to attend a free six-year program to >become physicians originally designed for impoverished students in Latin >America. > >President Fidel Castro offered to extend the free medical training to >include up to 500 Americans when he met last May with a delegation from the >Congressional Black Caucus. > >``It would be hard for your government to oppose such a program,'' Castro >told the U.S. lawmakers at the time. ``It would be a trial for them. >Morally, how could they refuse?'' > >The U.S. State Department later said it would not oppose the program, >saying that it had been American policy to encourage contact between >ordinary >Cubans and Americans. > >``This is a modest beginning to a revolutionary and visionary idea,'' said >the Rev. Lucius Walker, head of the U.S. organization Pastors for Peace, >which regularly brings medicine and other humanitarian aid to the Caribbean >island. > >``We are confident that you will open your arms and your hearts and receive >our children as your own,'' Walker told Cubans attending a small welcoming > ceremony on Wednesday at the Latin American School of Medicine. > >``This is an opportunity for me to study medicine and become a great doctor >while learning about the Cuban medical system,'' said Karima Mosi, 22, of >San Diego. > >``I understand that the medical school in Cuba is among the best in Latin >America and the world, so I have no reservations about my education,'' Mosi >said. > >The Americans join more than 4,000 other students from 24 other nations in >Latin America, the Caribbean and Africa who now attend classes at the >medical school, which opened two years ago. > >When commenting last November on Cuba's proposed program for American >medical students, the U.S. State Department noted that it was unclear >whether >Americans who receive training in Cuba will be able to meet licensing >requirements once they return home. > >Many Cuban physicians who emigrate to the United States have had difficulty >obtaining permission to practice. > >Cuba also proposed sending its own doctors to poor areas of the United >States as part of the program, but the State Department said the idea was >rejected. > >Cuba has a surplus of doctors and dispatches thousands abroad each year to >work in other developing countries. > >Shortages of basic medicines have been acute in recent years in Cuba, >particularly in the decade since the collapse of the Soviet Union ? once >the >island's principal trading partner. > >Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. >This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
princeton ran this ad, to no vocal outcry. the mason/dixon line runs through nj... death to the klan. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Ten Reasons for Reparations >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:16:46 > >Ten Reasons for Reparations >Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet >April 3, 2001 >Viewed on April 6, 2001 > >------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Conservative muckraker David Horowitz has been verbally mugged for peddling >an ad to college newspapers giving ten reasons why reparations are racist. >But the name callers have done little more than canonize Horowitz as a >martyr for truth and free speech. Even worse, they've failed miserably to >tell why reparations merit a serious look. There are ten compelling reasons >it does. > > >1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame >for >slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This designated >a >black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political >representation >purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by mandating that >all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to their >masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court >reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were taken in >the United States. > > >2. Major institutions profited from slavery. In October, the California >state legislature passed a bill requiring insurance companies to disclose >whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This was recognition that >insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The insurance >industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and >investment >houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases, >investments in Southern land and products, and the transport, and sale of >slaves. > > >3. Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report >by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C. >public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic >and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to >live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and >housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash >starved, >failing public schools than whites. > > >4. There's a direct cost for slavery's legacy. Former Federal Reserve Board >Chairman Andrew Brimmer estimates that discrimination costs blacks $10 >billion yearly through the black-white wage gap, denial of capital access, >inadequate public services, and reduced social security and other >government >benefits. This has been called the "black tax." > > >5. The U.S. government has shelled out billions since the 1960s to pay for >resettlement, job training, education, and health programs for refugees >fleeing Communist repression. Politicians and the majority of the public >enthusiastically backed these payments as the morally and legally right >thing to do. > > >6. The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most >Americans >admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked severe pain >and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, Oakland, and >Los >Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions >supporting a federal commission to study reparations. Also, there was no >national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity payments, >provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans interned >during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and mineral >rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army during >World War II. > > >7. No legislation has been proposed that mandates taxpayers pay billions to >blacks. A bill by Michigan Democrat John Conyers that has languished in >Congress since 1993 simply establishes a commission to study the effects of >slavery. The estimated cost is less than $10 million. > > >8. There is a precedent for paying blacks for past legal and moral wrongs. >In 1997 Clinton apologized and the U.S. government paid $10 million to the >black survivors and family members victimized by the syphilis experiment >conducted in the 1930's by the U.S. Public Health Service. In 1994, the >Florida legislature agreed to make payments to the survivors and relatives >of those who lost their lives and property when a white mob destroyed the >all-black town of Rosewood in 1923. The carnage was tacitly condoned by >public officials and law enforcement officers. The Oklahoma state >legislature is currently considering reparations payments to the survivors >and their descendants of the destruction of black neighborhoods in Tulsa by >white mobs in 1921. > > >9. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and other mega-rich blacks >will >not receive a penny in reparations. Any tax money to redress black >suffering >should go into a fund to bolster funding for AIDS/HIV education and >prevention, underfinanced inner-city public schools, to expand job skills >and training, drug and alcohol counseling and rehabilitation, computer >access and literacy training programs, and to improve public services for >the estimated one in four blacks still trapped in poverty. > > >10. Thirty years ago a writer passionately argued that the U.S. government >has kept the "black ghettos in a colonial status since Reconstruction" and >refused to meet the "most basic political and economic demands of the black >movement." That writer was David Horowitz. He made the argument in his >book, >Empire and Revolution, a blistering indictment of the U.S. government. >Radical hyperbole notwithstanding, Horowitz recognized then that America >owed a debt to black America for past and present sins. It still does. > > >Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the President of The National Alliance for >Positive >Action and the author of The Disappearance of Black Leadership (Middle >Passage Press). > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
"In fact, the extent to which they moved to make[!?!] blacks a part of the United States democracy was the extent to which white actually helped save their own country." the US (usurers/savages-AB) has never been a democracy. death to imperialism. >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000 > >You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and >progress. Period. You fight against anything that is an objective >limit to democracy. > >I agree that blacks are oppressed in America. Do they comprise a >nation, though, in the strict sense of the word? I don't think so. > >We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway. You cannot >base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without >falling into totalitarianism. In the United States, this was the >initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument >that it almost destroyed the country. In fact, the extent to which >they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was >the extent to which white actually helped save their own country. > >I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be >essentially pre-modern. It has no place in modern democracy. >Sorry. That's the way it is. If your idea of a nation, and what you >fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're >just not really progressive. > >Are you an internationalist? I hope you are if you're a Marxist. >Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing >nation state? Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you >want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or >am I misunderstanding your position? > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist >profiling at all, > > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put >forward? > > > > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign >slogan?) > > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community >would > > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, >police, &tc. > > by democratically controlling these institutions. self- >determination is a > > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit >black > > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist. > > > > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america? > > > > joe > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not >convinced > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not >heard > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement >about > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came >up, I > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black >nation." I > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the >issue. > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs >in a > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in >both > > >theory and practice? > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> >wrote: > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > >Campaign, > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all >nationalities > > >and > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > > >Senate > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits >a > > >hate > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who >turn a > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary >Committee > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that >Justice > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > > >police > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for >Justice > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of >senators > > >from > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's >hearings, > > >the > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than >ever. > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian >police > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes >of > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > > >good > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
thoughtful tribute & analysis. mark played every benefit & rally he was available for. ill never forget his shows. & viva the court tavern (aka "club foot")! one of mark's closest musical comrades and longtime court tavern musician, greg digesu, also formerly of the area, now in NYC, will be returning sat apr. 14th to play the court with his new band "speedsters & dopers". it should prove to be somewhat of a court re-union, &tc. cultural revolution against imperialism! peoples' art! >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: aspirito70@..., rbender65@..., Funkhouser@..., >mcrockford@..., citruswar@..., djbender@..., >unlockingexits@..., emilio@..., bigjuba@..., >renren59@..., sztamke@..., kmyers@..., OH_G@..., >MeadHajduk@..., essenjovu@..., msda_msmith@..., >hajdukmi@..., monicaroses@..., NatBender@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, traceyx@..., >vspirito@... >Subject: [nbpc] Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern???? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:34 > > >Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB: > > >One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to >New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country) >was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy >everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley. They talked about him like >he >was the local Bob Dylan. I can still clearly remember the feeling I had >when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends >whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and >asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..." For the next few years >I >spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising >events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & >musicians >who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook, >the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what >everyone was missing so deeply. There was a spirit there, and a >consiousness...an awareness and a song. Mark Bradley, though I never met >him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have >had otherwise. I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I >never even met him. Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and >should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach, >while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial >mist........ Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began >for >me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going >under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies >can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve >frankenstein buildings makes me numb! We see it all around us in NB. >Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or >bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used >to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I >wonder where they go. So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you >who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face. & my >question is, what are we going to do about it? I don't have any easy >answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out >loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or >if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left! > >"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat, >when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!" > > -the late and timeless Mark Bradely > >...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark: > > "Down with the Multinationals!" > >--Matthew Smith > > >----original message----- > >From: Tom Murphy >Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern???? >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400 > >For everyone who might be interested to know..... > > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-determination & the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is the ideology of Trooper Profiling. you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy means those oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban centers, and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the right to politically & economically control those areas in which they are the plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they have never done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples in US. you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the heart of the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve problems". you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist terror. the "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden scheme. where is the 40acres & mule? Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common geographic area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by Joe Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! people vs. imperialism >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. down >here, that's ok? > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm >not following. > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get >reparations out of this? > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and reparations >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and >the only > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not >convinced > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not >heard > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement >about > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came >up, I > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black >nation." I > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the >issue. > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs >in a > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in >both > > >theory and practice? > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> >wrote: > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > >Campaign, > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all >nationalities > > >and > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > > >Senate > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits >a > > >hate > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who >turn a > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary >Committee > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that >Justice > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > > >police > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for >Justice > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of >senators > > >from > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's >hearings, > > >the > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than >ever. > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian >police > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes >of > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > > >good > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
very good, & hope you will attend the statewide mtg in trenton--4pm, sat, imani community ctr, 2 prospect st. call to carpool 214.8828. & the nb organizing mtg--1pm, sun, public library. most important is to finance buses ($275per), and to quickly(!) network to sign-up marchers. also, now that republicans are endorsing our demands, we should probably rachet them up. self-determination & reparations for oppressed nations. btw--democracy in itself will not end imperialism/national oppression. rather expose it fully. what we need is "community control over the means of production", the peoples' dictatorship. >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > Press Secretary > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 >? 732/735-1342 > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter >Verniero. > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a >blind eye to such acts. > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that >community control, including democratically elected civilian police >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are good >conscience, to support these efforts. > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > >-30- > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Do I look like a telephone poll or a bulletin board to you? Then why are you posting slogans to me? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > "In fact, the extent to which they moved to make[!?!] blacks a part of the > United States democracy was the extent to which white actually helped save > their own country." > > the US (usurers/savages-AB) has never been a democracy. > death to imperialism. > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000 > > > >You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and > >progress. Period. You fight against anything that is an objective > >limit to democracy. > > > >I agree that blacks are oppressed in America. Do they comprise a > >nation, though, in the strict sense of the word? I don't think so. > > > >We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway. You cannot > >base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without > >falling into totalitarianism. In the United States, this was the > >initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument > >that it almost destroyed the country. In fact, the extent to which > >they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was > >the extent to which white actually helped save their own country. > > > >I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be > >essentially pre-modern. It has no place in modern democracy. > >Sorry. That's the way it is. If your idea of a nation, and what you > >fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're > >just not really progressive. > > > >Are you an internationalist? I hope you are if you're a Marxist. > >Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing > >nation state? Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you > >want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or > >am I misunderstanding your position? > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist > >profiling at all, > > > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put > >forward? > > > > > > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign > >slogan?) > > > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community > >would > > > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, > >police, &tc. > > > by democratically controlling these institutions. self- > >determination is a > > > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit > >black > > > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist. > > > > > > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america? > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > >convinced > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > >heard > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > >about > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > >up, I > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > >nation." I > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- determination > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > >issue. > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs > >in a > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in > >both > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > >Campaign, > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > >nationalities > > > >and > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > > > >Senate > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits > >a > > > >hate > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > >turn a > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > >Committee > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > >Justice > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > > > >police > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > >Justice > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > >senators > > > >from > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > >hearings, > > > >the > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than > >ever. > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian > >police > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes > >of > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > > > >good > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Standing by her man: Former New Jersey Gov. Christie
Whitman expressed her continued support for the man at the
center of the state's racial profiling controversy.
Despite acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco's call Thursday for the
resignation of
the former attorney general from the state Supreme Court
bench, Whitman did not join the growing chorus asking for the ouster
of
one of her closest aides and the man she appointed to the
bench.
> the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- determination & > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is the > ideology of Trooper Profiling. No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one country and its transportation into another. Loss of national sovereignty is incidental to it. I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has long-since left the cities for the most part. What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, not a race question. > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy means those > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban centers, > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the right to > politically & economically control those areas in which they are the > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they have never > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples in US. Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they be allowed to? Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government (returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will about the United States federal government, but at least they enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the state governments would have done. For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before sending people to the camps. Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the heart of > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve problems". J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- determination, then? That's why you need to have an international movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the proletariat. > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist terror. the > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden scheme. where > is the 40acres & mule? Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern cracker who is about as modern flint knife. Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the suburbs. We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing the United States? > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common geographic > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by Joe > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the war. > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > people vs. imperialism > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. down > >here, that's ok? > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > >not following. > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > >reparations out of this? > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and reparations > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >wrote: > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > >the only > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > >convinced > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > >heard > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > >about > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > >up, I > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > >nation." I > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- determination > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > >issue. > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs > >in a > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in > >both > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > >Campaign, > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > >nationalities > > > >and > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > > > >Senate > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits > >a > > > >hate > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > >turn a > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > >Committee > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > >Justice > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > > > >police > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > >Justice > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > >senators > > > >from > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > >hearings, > > > >the > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than > >ever. > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian > >police > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes > >of > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > > > >good > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- determination & > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is the > ideology of Trooper Profiling. You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you? Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle? - Jeremy
WHY DO YOU SAY THAT I AM LIAR? BECAUSE SUPPORT A FEARLESS LEADER LIKE FRANK BRIGHT A DESIRABLE MAN AMONG THE WORKING CLASS. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT I AM A CON? BECAUSE I AM A BLACK MAN WHO HAS SEEN AFFLICATION. BECAUSE I REFUSED TO LET MY ENEMIES WITHOUT CAUSE HUNTED ME DOWN LIKE A BIRD. BECAUSE I REFUSED TO LET THE LIPS OF MY ENEMIES WHISPER AGAINST ME AND MY FRIEND FRANK BRIGHT. DID I SPEAK ILL OF YOU? TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
COMMUNISM HAVE NO PLACE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ACCEPT JESUS. IF JESUS IS NOT IN IT THEN I HAVE NO PART OF IT . AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY WE SERVE GOD. THE BIBLE SAY IT. GOD MEANT IT. I BELIEVE IT. THAT SETTLE IT. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of national "soveriegnty"? stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to it? imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only economically, & not also necessarily politically. the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national governments. else why eliminate allende? it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of Black America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not super-exploited/oppressed? what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated for being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor whites? any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the vast, utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, but most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, political, & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to jazz, of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from these Black national markets? sony? if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles mingus. yr analysis now is that of the klan. >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- >determination & > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is >the > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national >sovereignty is incidental to it. > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has >long-since left the cities for the most part. > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, >not a race question. > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy >means those > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban >centers, > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the >right to > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are >the > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they >have never > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples >in US. > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they >be allowed to? > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will >about the United States federal government, but at least they >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the >state governments would have done. > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before >sending people to the camps. > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the >heart of > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve >problems". > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the >proletariat. > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist >terror. the > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden >scheme. where > > is the 40acres & mule? > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the >suburbs. > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing >the United States? > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common >geographic > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by >Joe > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the >war. > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. >down > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > > >not following. > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and >reparations > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > >the only > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > >convinced > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > >heard > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I >can > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > >about > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > >up, I > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot >condone > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > >nation." I > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- >determination > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or >the > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have >never had > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it >belongs > > >in a > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against >in > > >both > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, >NJ 08903 > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and >their > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > >nationalities > > > > >and > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly >welcomes > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey >State > > > > >Senate > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice >Peter > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, >commits > > >a > > > > >hate > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and >severe > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > >turn a > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent >with > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > >Committee > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > >Justice > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the >state > > > > >police > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls >upon the > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > >Justice > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > >senators > > > > >from > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been >revealed > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > >hearings, > > > > >the > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute >than > > >ever. > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes >that > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected >civilian > > >police > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate >crimes > > >of > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is >already > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if >they are > > > > >good > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - >732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of national "soveriegnty"? stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to it? imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only economically, & not also necessarily politically. the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national governments. else why eliminate allende? it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of Black America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not super-exploited/oppressed? what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated for being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor whites? any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the vast, utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, but most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, political, & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to jazz, of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from these Black national markets? sony? if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles mingus. yr analysis now is that of the klan. >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- >determination & > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is >the > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national >sovereignty is incidental to it. > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has >long-since left the cities for the most part. > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, >not a race question. > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy >means those > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban >centers, > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the >right to > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are >the > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they >have never > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples >in US. > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they >be allowed to? > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will >about the United States federal government, but at least they >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the >state governments would have done. > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before >sending people to the camps. > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the >heart of > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve >problems". > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the >proletariat. > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist >terror. the > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden >scheme. where > > is the 40acres & mule? > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the >suburbs. > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing >the United States? > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common >geographic > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by >Joe > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the >war. > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. >down > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > > >not following. > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and >reparations > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > >the only > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > >convinced > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > >heard > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I >can > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > >about > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > >up, I > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot >condone > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > >nation." I > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- >determination > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or >the > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have >never had > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it >belongs > > >in a > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against >in > > >both > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, >NJ 08903 > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and >their > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > >nationalities > > > > >and > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly >welcomes > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey >State > > > > >Senate > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice >Peter > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, >commits > > >a > > > > >hate > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and >severe > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > >turn a > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent >with > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > >Committee > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > >Justice > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the >state > > > > >police > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls >upon the > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > >Justice > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > >senators > > > > >from > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been >revealed > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > >hearings, > > > > >the > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute >than > > >ever. > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes >that > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected >civilian > > >police > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate >crimes > > >of > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is >already > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if >they are > > > > >good > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - >732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the imperialists. >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- >determination & > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is >the > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > >You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as >a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you? > >Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle? > >- Jeremy > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
: City's night spot readies swan song Published in the Home News Tribune 4/05/01 By CHRIS JORDAN STAFF WRITER NEW BRUNSWICK: The New Brunswick music community reacted in shock and disbelief yesterday to the news that the city's Court Tavern could be facing the wrecking ball. In Hub City: A look at the changes afoot. Redevelopment of the area around Church and Spring streets could force owner Bob Albert Jr. to sell his Church Street club. "It would be a huge blow to New Brunswick music scene, especially in light of the recent closing of the Melody (Bar)," said musician and promoter Mike Doktorski of East Brunswick. The Melody Bar on French Street had built a national reputation for presenting cutting-edge music before closing last month because of a dispute between its two owners. The Court Tavern has also been presenting live music for nearly 20 years. "For me, the Court Tavern was the place I honed my craft," said the Carteret-raised Jim Babjak of the band The Smithereens. "That's where we ended up playing songs we didn't know, because they were requested by the audience. It kept me on my toes." Melody co-owner Steve Flaks said yesterday he and his partner Cal Levine were entertaining four serious offers for the club from potential buyers who had either been to the club in the past or were affiliated with former Melody patrons. The earliest the club could be reopened under new ownership is in August, Flaks said. Both clubs were important elements in the revitalization of the city that began more than 20 years ago, observers said. However, that importance may not have been recognized. "From an artistic standpoint, the city has gone a long way to presenting a cultural persona across the state," Doktorski said. "But it seems like rock 'n' roll doesn't occupy the same importance that's accorded to the other art forms." The Court Tavern has historically presented up-and-coming bands as well as established national acts. "Tangibly, the Court Tavern and the other music clubs bring in a population of people into town who are there to see shows, and they stop into restaurants for a bite to eat, or they go to the ice-cream parlors," Doktorski said. "Actually, I don't know if people who go to the Court Tavern are going to the ice-cream parlors." Others said the Court Tavern's closing would be a sign that the city's music scene is waning. "It's not looking too good," said musician Brett Neilley of Highland Park. "(The city fathers) don't recognize the importance of the live-music scene. They talk about revitalization and how the State Theatre puts them on the map, but there's a lot of great stuff going on that doesn't get their attention." However, recorded dance music strikes a note with the city. The City Council approved the transfer last night of a liquor license from Jo-Barb Corporation to Platinum, a new club to be located at 13 Paterson St. The upscale Manhattan-type club hopes to open in September, said Peter J. Gassaro, who owns the club with his father James V. Gassaro, both of North Brunswick. The owners hope to bring disc jockeys in from New York City and create a modern, industrial look for the club, said the son, who compared Platinum to the Hunka Bunka Ballroom and Club Abyss in Sayreville in terms of music and dress code. "We're trying to attract people who would come to New Brunswick to jump on the train to go to Hoboken. We're keeping them here in New Brunswick (instead)," Peter J. Gassaro said. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
louise/keith wrote: "The discussion was actaully moving forward, and many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to." questions to keith/louise(i don't know, it wasn't signed)- is this to say that jim could not have also made the case for the klan without even meaning to? don't you think jim would be turned off by you stating that he is making the case for "Self-D". what do you understand the klan's analysis of reperations/self determination to be? what do you understand the communists analysis of reperations/self-determination to be? i do not agree with you stating that cliff's position is ultra-left and not embracing. before the summation cliff produced many venues for jim to explore and reflect with his position, no? and this was not cliff's only post about the discussion. but to not point out the essence of what someone is truly advocating for, and who their position serves is a serious mistake that it seems you have been making yourself. again your criticism with no mo' better example. i do not see it as "ultra-left" to point out reality, but rather to not do so, for any reason, is what threatens progress of revolutionaries. keith/louise wrote: "The defeat of this ultra-left line and its rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards uniting revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in defeating the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and the People's Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and Curtis (to name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized and we will have 5 organizations for four people..." your allaince with jim and curtis is the one that's up the river. so what you might be friends or whatever... the point is that you are not honest with these people, openly, about what their mistakes are and who they serve. (at least no where i've seen) joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and >Repartaions and Jim >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving >forward, and >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For >insatnce when he >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" >taking >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of >Afro-Americans to the US >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an >ultra-left error and >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against reparations >that's why >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that >Jim's >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans >man) is >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than >organize them. >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther >towards >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity. >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line >analgous to >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim >to do >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or >change his mind >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack >on Curtis is >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy >where there >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left line and its >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards >uniting >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in > defeating >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and >the People's >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and >Curtis (to >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized >and we will >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good vehicle to >bring >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force >people to >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim. > >cliff smith wrote: > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of >national > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to >it? > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only >economically, > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national >governments. > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of >Black > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated >for > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor >whites? > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the >vast, > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, >but > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, >political, > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to >jazz, > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from >these > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles >mingus. > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > >From: jmluceno@... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > >determination & > > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > > >the > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy > > >means those > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban > > >centers, > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the > > >right to > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are > > >the > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they > > >have never > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples > > >in US. > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they > > >be allowed to? > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the > > >heart of > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > > >problems". > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist > > >terror. the > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden > > >scheme. where > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the > > >suburbs. > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common > > >geographic > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by > > >Joe > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. > > >down > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > > >reparations > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > > > >the only > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > > > >convinced > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > > > >heard > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I > > >can > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > > > >about > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > > > >up, I > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot > > >condone > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > > >determination > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or > > >the > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have > > >never had > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it > > >belongs > > > > >in a > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against > > >in > > > > >both > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and > > >their > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey > > >State > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice > > >Peter > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, > > >commits > > > > >a > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and > > >severe > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent > > >with > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the > > >state > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls > > >upon the > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > > > >senators > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been > > >revealed > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute > > >than > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes > > >that > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > > >civilian > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate > > >crimes > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > > >already > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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What about liberation theology? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: > COMMUNISM HAVE NO PLACE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ACCEPT JESUS. IF > JESUS IS NOT IN IT THEN I HAVE NO PART OF IT . AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY > WE SERVE GOD. THE BIBLE SAY IT. GOD MEANT IT. I BELIEVE IT. THAT SETTLE > IT. > TRACY FORD > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of national > "soveriegnty"? > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to it? It's not the essence of the phenomena. It's not as important as the stuff below, though. > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only economically, > & not also necessarily politically. > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national governments. > else why eliminate allende? > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of Black > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not > super-exploited/oppressed? Majority of the world =/= white, so yeah, multinational corporations exploit non-whites more than whites. It's INCIDENTAL. > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated for > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor whites? > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the vast, > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? Then you make my argument. You want to throw money at the problem with reparations? How are you going to change the color of Diallo's skin w/ money? How are you going to get rid of the hatred or fear in those cops' hearts with money? You've got a problem that you cannot just throw money at. The ancestors of African Americans were enslaved. How are you going to calculate the cost of slavery? The effects of slavery now are qualitative; not quantitative. It's a social problem that cannot be measured out in terms of dollar signs. It's ultimately a question of consciousness, from what I can see. How do you propose we handle the problem of racism? > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro- America, but > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, political, > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to jazz, > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from these > Black national markets? sony? > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles mingus. > yr analysis now is that of the klan. Yeah, the Klan analyses society with Marx. Mmmm. Every Klansman I know has a big friggin bust of Karl Marx on his desk, along with Vlad Lenin. Big socialists those klansmen. Real champions of the cause of humanity. I ain't yer dog, sonny boy. You want to base your idea of the nation on supposed shared cultural values and geographic location. Where's your nation when the people comprising it no longer share a common geographical location? If the trend is that blacks should leave the ghetto and integrate with the middle class (this is the determinate negation produced by the market system -- the ghettos are contingencies), then you cannot say that you are going to form a nation based upon the color of skin. Again -- are you an internationalist or not? Are you even revolutionary? If so, how do you plan to link this struggle up to the greater struggle of international revolution of the working class? Based on color? I hope not. Race is ephemeral enough, and you want to build a nation state on it? In the United States? Along what geographical boundaries? The Raritan River? > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > >determination & > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > >the > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy > >means those > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban > >centers, > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the > >right to > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are > >the > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they > >have never > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples > >in US. > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they > >be allowed to? > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the > >state governments would have done. > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before > >sending people to the camps. > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the > >heart of > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > >problems". > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist > >terror. the > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden > >scheme. where > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human- kind > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the > >suburbs. > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing > >the United States? > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common > >geographic > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by > >Joe > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the > >war. > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. > >down > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > > > >not following. > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > >reparations > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > > >wrote: > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > > >the only > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > > >convinced > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > > >heard > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I > >can > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > > >about > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > > >up, I > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot > >condone > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > > >nation." I > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > >determination > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or > >the > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have > >never had > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it > >belongs > > > >in a > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against > >in > > > >both > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and > >their > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > >nationalities > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly > >welcomes > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey > >State > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice > >Peter > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, > >commits > > > >a > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and > >severe > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > > >turn a > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent > >with > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > > >Committee > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > > >Justice > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the > >state > > > > > >police > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls > >upon the > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > > >Justice > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > > >senators > > > > > >from > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been > >revealed > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > > >hearings, > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute > >than > > > >ever. > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes > >that > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > >civilian > > > >police > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate > >crimes > > > >of > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > >already > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if > >they are > > > > > >good > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - > >732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? That depends upon what the people grouped together as / within that nation want, correct? What if there is disagreement as to what is properly the nation's 'history' or properly the goal of the nation's 'development'? There have been plenty of people like Mobutu, making utterly bogus claims about 'cultural self- determination' while robbing their country blind. > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its > self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the > imperialists. Who draws the line that constitutes the boundaries of an " oppressed nation" 's identity? This seems to make it possible for the bureaucrats, representatives, or dictator(s) in charge of an 'oppressed' nation's (newly founded ...) state to claim an unwarranted moral authority. Where does the right to self- determination end? Irrespective: So far, in the 20th century, the nation-state has a horribly bad record. In fact, the people who still defend state sovereignity at all on political principle are largely of the more or less neo-Fascist Right. (The WTO is more of an example of people possessing the idiotic belief that politics can be collapsed into economics -- the neoliberal flipside of what Communists called 'E conomism'). TTYL, Jeremy
do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the imperialists. >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- >determination & > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is >the > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > >You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as >a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you? > >Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle? > >- Jeremy > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Tom- a couple things: With all of these artist on the Court Tavern grapevine, and the certainty of massive exposure to the plight of the Court Tavern this will bring, it appears to be a golden opportunity to link up with the community groups that are struggling for their neighborhoods against the same wrecking ball. In know that the NB Peoples' Campaign has been doing alot of work in this area: we have relations with vocal residents' groups & NBPC members have been a regular voice at city council meetings on the issue, etc. So keep me abreast of the situation as it develops. For starters, I can ask the NBPC for a statement of support/press release for the Court Tavern & local progressive culture. I'll wait for your say-so. Matthew (973) 824-2949 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Thomas Murphy" <thomasbmurphy67@...> To: vivaohio@... Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern???? Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:39:22 -0400 Ok, to reply to your question about what we should do, we already have been discussing ideas amongst ourselves to rally supprot for our little home in NB. The only thing that I wanna know, before we get so involved in it, does Bobby want to sll it, or not??? I spoke with Mark the doorman from the Court, and he thought this might be the case, but we of course really have no idea. If Bobby wants support, he will get it. We plan on contacting every artist, who has performed at the Court, including artists who are now successful, and have PR power, and noteriety. Everyone who has come here past and present, etc....We also plan on rallying support from the local business owners in town, and other rock n roll, and artistic establishments in the state. Of course this may not be enough, but perhaps if the new building will go up because the town will claim eminant domain, Bobby did say in the todays article he would relocate if it was within the immediate downtown area, so of coure the ROCK may carry on....... We will see..... BTW State Senator Lynch, as in former Mayor of NB is staying here in the hospital..... >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >To: murphman6000@..., waynecosney@..., >traceyX@..., Spiago@..., star@..., gocreepgo@..., >Rhinoqueen420@..., deem.ohm@..., mike@..., >mike@..., imogene615@..., mwkrunner@..., >QueenMP1@..., GargoyleCornhole@..., l.hyslop@..., >celtgirl1114@..., kvt@..., doublej66@..., >jillybee@..., JMcmanemin@..., sackblabbath@..., >HyprPunk24@..., h.luvuna@..., GCarmen@..., >gkar@..., galaxygirl420@..., eshaneson@..., >eric@..., edwordking@..., deanrocks@..., >cgascoyne@..., blkshep@..., lumous1@..., >bklein9104@..., anya243@..., ADmunin@..., >pensandgifts@..., almuzer@... >Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern???? >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:17 > > >Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB: > > >One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to >New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country) >was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy >everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley. They talked about him like >he >was the local Bob Dylan. I can still clearly remember the feeling I had >when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends >whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and >asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..." For the next few years >I >spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising >events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & >musicians >who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook, >the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what >everyone was missing so deeply. There was a spirit there, and a >consiousness...an awareness and a song. Mark Bradley, though I never met >him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have >had otherwise. I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I >never even met him. Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and >should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach, >while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial >mist........ Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began >for >me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going >under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies >can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve >frankenstein buildings makes me numb! We see it all around us in NB. >Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or >bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used >to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I >wonder where they go. So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you >who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face. & my >question is, what are we going to do about it? I don't have any easy >answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out >loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or >if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left! > >"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat, >when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!" > > -the late and timeless Mark Bradely > >...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark: > > "Down with the Multinationals!" > >--Matthew Smith > > >----original message----- > >From: Tom Murphy >Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern???? >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400 > >For everyone who might be interested to know..... > > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of segregation should be repaid for education? when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you support without bringing up the better counters? i want to understand what you think. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
jim you are dangerously wrong. besides your incorrect intellect, what the hell is your problem with reperations and self-determination? these are democratic slogans/positions and to argue them is only to strengthen imperialism and anti-democratic forces. you claim to represent peoples' democracy, but this arguement puts you far from that. the black nation and all oppressed nations have organized, sometimes successfully, with these positions of reperations/self-determination. who are you to say these NATIONS are wrong, can you explain? it seems that i would expect this position from sucker soaries or other right wingers, no one who claims to support peoples' democracy can simotaneously stand against reperations and self-determination. keith do you think that this is just some social club? we have work to do and you are behind the ball. how can you allow for this position to not to be hammered, and then turn on those that work to expose the very serious errors in it. pardon me, but these kids are getting shot up! east orange cop empties two clips at teenagers after his partner shot himself and claimed the kids did it. to argue against racist profiling and not put forward reperations and self-determination is to limit yourself to the position of the republicans. to argue against racist profiling and simotaneously argue against democratic rights of reperations and self-determination is to just support racist profiling to maybe just a slighter level. "ok boys, let's stop shooting them, we'll suffice to control every other facet of their nation, ie. education, culture, jobs, housing, language." but truely, the lynching will never stop under these conditions, do you agree keith? joe >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:54:57 -0000 > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of >national > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right >to it? > >It's not the essence of the phenomena. It's not as important as the >stuff below, though. > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only >economically, > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national >governments. > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression >of Black > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are >not > > super-exploited/oppressed? > >Majority of the world =/= white, so yeah, multinational corporations >exploit non-whites more than whites. It's INCIDENTAL. > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo >obliterated for > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor >whites? > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the >vast, > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? > >Then you make my argument. > >You want to throw money at the problem with reparations? How are you >going to change the color of Diallo's skin w/ money? How are you >going to get rid of the hatred or fear in those cops' hearts with >money? > >You've got a problem that you cannot just throw money at. The >ancestors of African Americans were enslaved. How are you going to >calculate the cost of slavery? The effects of slavery now are >qualitative; not quantitative. It's a social problem that cannot be >measured out in terms of dollar signs. It's ultimately a question of >consciousness, from what I can see. > >How do you propose we handle the problem of racism? > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro- >America, but > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, >political, > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman >to jazz, > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from >these > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with >dubois "black > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles >mingus. > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > >Yeah, the Klan analyses society with Marx. Mmmm. Every Klansman I >know has a big friggin bust of Karl Marx on his desk, along with Vlad >Lenin. Big socialists those klansmen. Real champions of the cause >of humanity. > >I ain't yer dog, sonny boy. You want to base your idea of the nation >on supposed shared cultural values and geographic location. Where's >your nation when the people comprising it no longer share a common >geographical location? If the trend is that blacks should leave the >ghetto and integrate with the middle class (this is the determinate >negation produced by the market system -- the ghettos are >contingencies), then you cannot say that you are going to form a >nation based upon the color of skin. > >Again -- are you an internationalist or not? Are you even >revolutionary? If so, how do you plan to link this struggle up to >the greater struggle of international revolution of the working >class? Based on color? I hope not. Race is ephemeral enough, and >you want to build a nation state on it? In the United States? Along >what geographical boundaries? The Raritan River? > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > >determination & > > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > > >the > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. >and > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you >like, > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization >has > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing >national > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll >agree > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class >question, > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy > > >means those > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US >urban > > >centers, > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the > > >right to > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are > > >the > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they > > >have never > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black >peoples > > >in US. > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the >grassroots > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? >Why? > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify >themselves > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should >they > > >be allowed to? > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local >government > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you >will > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are >unique > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot >understand, > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is >what > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts >before > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be >real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & >demand > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is >the > > >heart of > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > > >problems". > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or >better > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need >something > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist > > >terror. the > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden > > >scheme. where > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced >Reconstruction > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, >that > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because >it > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the >harvest. > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human- >kind > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real >political > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in >the > > >suburbs. > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common > > >geographic > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first >by > > >Joe > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, >and > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after >the > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford >St. > > >down > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. >I'm > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with >radical > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you >get > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > > >reparations > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" ><cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic >rights and > > > > >the only > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am >not > > > > >convinced > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I >have not > > > > >heard > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only >arguments I > > >can > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against >it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a >statement > > > > >about > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate >came > > > > >up, I > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot > > >condone > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > > >determination > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over >the > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign >or > > >the > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have > > >never had > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it > > >belongs > > > > >in a > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are >against > > >in > > > > >both > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" ><can_bush@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black >Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick >People's > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and > > >their > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement >today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey > > >State > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice > > >Peter > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, > > >commits > > > > >a > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and > > >severe > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their >superiors who > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent > > >with > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate >Judiciary > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, >that > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in >the > > >state > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls > > >upon the > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution >calling for > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > > > >senators > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been > > >revealed > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more >acute > > >than > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and >believes > > >that > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > > >civilian > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate > > >crimes > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > > >already > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if > > >they are > > > > > > >good > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - > > >732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(Snicker...shrug)...while Joe makes it difficult to defend him, I will maintain that it is the ABSENCE of REASONED, CLEAR-HEADED, & SCIENTIFIC DEBATE & ANALYSIS, that makes absurdity reign... ----Original Message Follows---- From: can_bush@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: Meeting with Mosely Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:51:16 -0000 curtis aspires to be the next deforest soaries! when soaries came on the seen following the potts murder, he was quoting malcolm x and other black power activists, now he is covering for wHitman and Verneiro for racist profiling, while at the same time jacking funds for black cultural threatres as the Secratary of State. where is the coalition for police brutality and curtis' "working class" analysis of any of this? he still hasn't even taken back his initial proposal to work with J&J to solve community problems. the problem with the community is J& J!!!! and its backward ethnic cleansing termed "re-development". but no, curtis "wants to work with them to solve a drug crisis", what kind of "working class" analysis is that? what about a march for jobs and a living wage, the right to an education, and childcare fascilities? those are the working class issues, not jumping into the lap of J&J. curtis tries to get it off that skunk soaries is a "religous leader", what kind of statement is that? what a leader! what's next, hitler is my religous leader... bang your dead! the only reasons the nbpc would want myself off this list is because they canoot argue me. otherwise they would smartly use the opportunity to prove my mistakes and teach everyone else valuble leasons about "working with republicans is actually the right thing to do..." -x & too many others the other reason might be because of the peoples' campaigns ineptitude in the local struggle. run a camaign, that embraced those that dissed its own platform, and then barely get involved, if at all, in any ongoing community struggles. "ok everyone let's retreat to the suburbs." - x, campaign geru actions speak louder than words. why be worried about what i have to say, you all got everything under control... right? joe --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as > to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' > Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would > seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members are > likely unaware of the particulars. > > (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed > meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & > BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, > imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have been > shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from > the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this > domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a > violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic & > bourgeois concept is it. Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice > my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning > people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and > scientific way...remember WBAI?! > > In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > To: coalitionforjustice@y... > Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400 > > name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion > should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the > nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the > peoples' enemies. > > republicans in the garbage can! > > joe > > > >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@m...> > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@y...>, "Tom > >DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...>, <Xavier.hansen@a...> > >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 > > > >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at > >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural matters > >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all. > > > >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and Xavier > >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree > to > >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did not > >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to > hear > >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to > >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not, > >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues? > > > >Feel free to call on me any time. > > > >Peace, > > > >JoeMosley > >745-2602 > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: can_bush@h... > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM > >To: coalitionforjustice@y... > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > > > > >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must > >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and > >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist > >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two > >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are > >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death? > >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the > >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order > >to be embraced by the majority of people. > > > >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular - > >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black > >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every > >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every > >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers > >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence > >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...". > >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against > >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the > >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the > >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is > >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the > >united front against racist profiling develop. > > > >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow > >particulars, which it is presently doing. therefor it must be > >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination > >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of > >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in > >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive, > >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans. > > > >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of > >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though > >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the > >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or > >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the > >strenthening of the coalition. > > > >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no > >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions, > >comments are needed. > > > >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation > > > >joe > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download > >of MSN Explorer at <a > >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
"diversity" as imperial denial of black self-determination &
reparations...
Sunday's Home News Tribune editorials
Published in the Home News Tribune 4/08/01
Embracing diversity at the Crossroads
A Home News Tribune editorial
Last weekend, Crossroads Theatre in New Brunswick -- which
canceled its season because of budget deficits -- held its first
fund-raiser. Friends and officers of the playhouse
professed themselves overjoyed at the $20,000 take, but the total
looks
frighteningly small next to the $2 million deficit
overshadowing the theater.
A few days before the event, Ricardo Khan, the founder and
longtime chief of Crossroads who had been incommunicado since
leaving amid turmoil at the end of 1999, resurfaced to
give his take on things. Questions still surround Khan's leadership,
particularly his having left the theater on such shaky
financial footing. But it is hard to disagree with Khan's artistic
assessment:
Crossroads has failed to fully flower.
True, Crossroads has a glittering reputation. In 1999, it
was named the country's outstanding regional theater. And it has
cemented
itself as the nation's premier black theater. But that, in
a sense, is precisely the problem. As a young man fresh out of art
school,
Khan had envisioned a place that confronted all Americans
at the juncture of color and culture, at the crossroads we all try to
ignore.
The irony is that in limiting itself artistically, the
theater also ended up limiting itself financially. And one has to
believe that its
salvation lies with broadening its schedule and its
audience.
There is hope for that. The New Brunswick Development
Company, the city's very successful nonprofit developer, has
announced it will be taking over administration of the
Cultural Center, which oversees the American Repertory Ballet on
Albany
Street and owns the three theater buildings, including
Crossroads, on Livingston Avenue. Although DevCo President Chris
Paladino does not foresee oversight of Crossroads, DevCo
will be doing several things that should be of secondary benefit to
the
theater, including a capital master plan and
identification of alternative funding sources. They will also be
looking for areas of
synergy between the theaters.
Paladino and DevCo, of course, are not the only prong of
New Brunswick's resurgance. Like the city itself, the leaders are
diverse. They include business executives and university
administrators; Guillermo Beytagh-Maldonado, who heads the Puerto
Rican Action Board, and who says he wants to work on
cultural activities with DevCo; and Secretary of State DeForest B.
"Buster" Soaries.
The point is that there is still every chance Crossroads
might fulfill its promise -- if it would reach out to the community at
large. It
might then finally live up to Khan's vision of it as a
place that embraces diversity, while bringing folks face to face with
the
challenges of a multicultural society, a society,
incidentally, that census figures show awaits all of America -- and
sooner rather
than later.
Schools doubt they can meet pre-K mandate
Published in the Home News Tribune 4/8/01
By KATHLEEN HOPKINS
STAFF WRITER
Educators in some of New Jersey's poorest school districts
are beginning to sound like Yogi Berra because, to paraphrase the
famous Yankee catcher, they say it's deja vu all over
again.
Last year, representatives of the state's so-called
special-needs school districts complained they were not given
approvals and
resources from the state Department of Education to create
preschool programs that meet the mandate of the state Supreme Court
Abbott vs. Burke decisions.
As they plan for next school year, educators say nothing
much has changed except that the court's deadline to meet the mandate
is
getting closer.
The Supreme Court, in a series of Abbott vs. Burke
decisions, ruled that the Garden State's 30 special-needs districts --
including
Elizabeth, New Brunswick and Perth Amboy -- must provide
all-day, extended-year preschool classes to all eligible 3- and
4-year-olds, beginning in September. The court said the
state must provide the special-needs districts with the resources to
meet
its order.
But without buildings to house the flood of additional
children expected when they offer all-day, extended-year preschool
programs, district officials say they can't be ready to
meet the court mandate in September - even if the state comes through
now
with the necessary funding and approvals.
"The court mandate cannot be met in September, no matter
what," said David Sciarra, executive director of the Education Law
Center, which represents the children of the state's
special-needs district in the Abbott vs. Burke case.
Sciarra said the districts still are waiting for the state
Department of Education to approve their preschool plans and provide
additional funding for them.
Without money and approvals, the special-needs districts
cannot construct facilities to house the children, hire additional
teachers
and perform outreach to get kids to enroll, he said.
"They should be in implementation mode," Sciarra said.
"Instead, these districts have no assurances whatsover from the state
that
they're going to be able to do anything. The money is not
in the (state) budget."
The state last year delayed approving preschool plans of
the Abbott districts, which prevented the districts from fully
implementing
their plans for the current school year, Sciarra said.
But Janet Thompson, education department spokeswoman,
insisted plans to implement preschool in the Abbott districts are
proceeding. Department officials are now reviewing the
districts' plans and requests for funding, she said.
"We recognize the process of starting up a new program can
be difficult and take more time than we hoped it would," Thompson
said. "We still believe we're on track. . . . We are
determined to meet the court mandate and have full-time preschool
operating in
every Abbott district in September.
Officials in Abbott districts don't deny they will offer
preschool. They question, however, whether they can serve all kids in
uncrowded classrooms.
Elizabeth this year has about 1,200 3- and 4-year-olds
enrolled in half-day preschool classes, but anticipates 3,000 more
will want
to enroll when full-day programs are offered, said Schools
Superintendent Thomas G. Dunn Jr. With a full-day program, the
district will have room for half the kids it's serving
this year, he said.
Work is under way to transform a former Rickel store on
South Elmora Avenue into a new early-childhood education facility, but
that will add about 300 preschool seats, giving the
district room for about 900 pre-kindergarteners, Dunn said.
Although Elizabeth received word late last week that the
state approved the district's $523 million school-construction plan,
the
approval is too late for September, he said.
To make matters worse, Elizabeth has received word it will
receive only about $16 million from the state to fund the preschool
program next year, representing a cost-of-living increase
over funding this year for the half-day program, he said.
"If every kid went all day, the program costs would be
just under $90 million," Dunn said.
Thompson said if plans for the preschool programs comply
with the court mandate, they will receive funding. And she said the
state Economic Development Authority is prepared to pay
for trailers to be used as temporary classrooms in any Abbott district
that
needs them.
But Edward Kent, the New Brunswick school district's
business administrator, said the longer the district must wait for the
state to
approve its preschool program, the less likely the
district will be able to rent trailers, or hire new teachers, because
of competition
from other districts.
Waiting...
New Brunswick is still waiting for state approval of its
school-construction plans, which it submitted in May 1999, Kent said.
The district can squeeze in the 1,300 3- and 4-year-olds
expected to enroll in full-day preschool classes in September, but
that will
create overcrowding throughout the district that will
violate the court mandate that prekindergarten class sizes be kept to
15, he
said. If enrollment exceeds the projections, the district
will have a prob lem, he added.
New Brunswick needs 50 to 60 new classrooms to ease
overcrowding and meet the court mandate, and wants to build a new
school for 800 children, Kent said.
Meanwhile, the district is requesting an additional $88
million from the state to implement all of the Abbott vs. Burke
mandates,
which go beyond requirements for preschool, Kent said.
But for this school year, the state has given New
Brunswick a promissory note for $3.6 million to cover a shortfall in
funding for
its preschool program. The district received the note,
Kent said, after the New Brunswick Board of Education threatened to
discontinue the preschool program.
...and waiting
The state has approved Perth Amboy's construction plans,
but the district is still waiting for the state Economic Development
Authority to begin construction of a proposed
early-childhood center on property the district owns at Hall Avenue
and Cortlandt
Street, said Assistant Schools Superintendent Jack
Rodecker.
The district has money to build the facility, but is
eligible for the state EDA to fund it under the school-construction
law passed last
year, Rodecker said.
"We're meeting with them (EDA officials), but they haven't
made any commitments," Rodecker said, adding that it will take at
least a year to build a school.
Meanwhile, pupils continue to attend classes in two
antiquated buildings the district had intended to close when it opened
the new
Robert Wilentz School in September, Rodecker said.
The district will still need 18 more classrooms to meet
the court's preschool mandate this September, he said. But all the
state has
offered the district so far is nine temporary, trailer
classrooms, he said.
Kathleen Hopkins: (908) 353-8003
from the Home News Tribune
Published: April 8, 2001
you know, i getting sick of this shit myself. WHERE IS YOUR "REASONED, CLEAR-HEADED, & SCIENTIFIC DEBATE AND ANALYSIS" OF CURTIS' SELL-OUT STATEMENTS? otherwise all you critics get no play. give it up or shut up... >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Meeting with Mosely >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:10:04 > >(Snicker...shrug)...while Joe makes it difficult to defend him, I will >maintain that it is the ABSENCE of REASONED, CLEAR-HEADED, & SCIENTIFIC >DEBATE & ANALYSIS, that makes absurdity reign... > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: can_bush@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Meeting with Mosely >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:51:16 -0000 > >curtis aspires to be the next deforest soaries! when soaries came on >the seen following the potts murder, he was quoting malcolm x and other >black power activists, now he is covering for wHitman and Verneiro for >racist profiling, while at the same time jacking funds for black >cultural threatres as the Secratary of State. where is the coalition >for police brutality and curtis' "working class" analysis of any of >this? he still hasn't even taken back his initial proposal to work with >J&J to solve community problems. the problem with the community is J& >J!!!! and its backward ethnic cleansing termed "re-development". but >no, curtis "wants to work with them to solve a drug crisis", what kind >of "working class" analysis is that? what about a march for jobs and a >living wage, the right to an education, and childcare fascilities? >those are the working class issues, not jumping into the lap of J&J. >curtis tries to get it off that skunk soaries is a "religous leader", >what kind of statement is that? what a leader! what's next, hitler is >my religous leader... bang your dead! > >the only reasons the nbpc would want myself off this list is because >they canoot argue me. otherwise they would smartly use the opportunity >to prove my mistakes and teach everyone else valuble leasons about >"working with republicans is actually the right thing to do..." -x & >too many others >the other reason might be because of the peoples' campaigns ineptitude >in the local struggle. run a camaign, that embraced those that dissed >its own platform, and then barely get involved, if at all, in any >ongoing community struggles. "ok everyone let's retreat to the >suburbs." - x, campaign geru > >actions speak louder than words. why be worried about what i have to >say, you all got everything under control... right? > >joe > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear >as > > to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' > > Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it >would > > seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ >members >are > > likely unaware of the particulars. > > > > (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed > > meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe >& > > BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, > > imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have >been > > shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them >from > > the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that >this > > domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard >a > > violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely >individualistic >& > > bourgeois concept is it. Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to >voice > > my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when >banning > > people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent >and > > scientific way...remember WBAI?! > > > > In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > > To: coalitionforjustice@y... > > Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400 > > > > name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the >discussion > > should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from >the > > nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace >the > > peoples' enemies. > > > > republicans in the garbage can! > > > > joe > > > > > > >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@m...> > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > > >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@y...>, "Tom > > >DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...>, <Xavier.hansen@a...> > > >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400 > > > > > >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that >at > > >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural >matters > > >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all. > > > > > >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and >Xavier > > >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you >agree > > to > > >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I >did >not > > >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want >to > > hear > > >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like >to > > >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are >not, > > >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or >issues? > > > > > >Feel free to call on me any time. > > > > > >Peace, > > > > > >JoeMosley > > >745-2602 > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: can_bush@h... > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM > > >To: coalitionforjustice@y... > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands > > > > > > > > >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ >must > > >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and > > >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist > > >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two > > >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are > > >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death? > > >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the > > >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order > > >to be embraced by the majority of people. > > > > > >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular >- > > >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up >black > > >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every > > >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every > > >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers > > >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence > > >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...". > > >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against > > >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the > > >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the > > >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is > > >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the > > >united front against racist profiling develop. > > > > > >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow > > >particulars, which it is presently doing. therefor it must be > > >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination > > >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of > > >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in > > >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive, > > >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans. > > > > > >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of > > >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though > > >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the > > >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or > > >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the > > >strenthening of the coalition. > > > > > >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no > > >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions, > > >comments are needed. > > > > > >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation > > > > > >joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE >download > > >of MSN Explorer at <a > > >href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
jeremy, why ask confusing questions that will lead to more confusion? why not just present your view and agreement or disagreement with the views already presented? if your agenda is to move the discussion forward... joe >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:18:27 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical > > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? > >That depends upon what the people grouped together as / within that >nation want, correct? What if there is disagreement as to what is >properly the nation's 'history' or properly the goal of the >nation's 'development'? There have been plenty of people like >Mobutu, making utterly bogus claims about 'cultural self- >determination' while robbing their country blind. > > > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its > > self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the > > imperialists. > >Who draws the line that constitutes the boundaries of an " oppressed >nation" 's identity? This seems to make it possible for the >bureaucrats, representatives, or dictator(s) in charge of >an 'oppressed' nation's (newly founded ...) state to claim an >unwarranted moral authority. Where does the right to self- >determination end? > >Irrespective: So far, in the 20th century, the nation-state has a >horribly bad record. In fact, the people who still defend state >sovereignity at all on political principle are largely of the more or >less neo-Fascist Right. (The WTO is more of an example of people >possessing the idiotic belief that politics can be collapsed into >economics -- the neoliberal flipside of what Communists called 'E >conomism'). > >TTYL, > >Jeremy > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I wouldn't argue that in every case. Do you support Pol Pot, just because he's anti-imperialist? I don't. I consider that to be an ethical question which transcends the question of so-called "self- determination." --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? > > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its > self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the imperialists. > > > >From: jagross66@h... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000 > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > >determination & > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > >the > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > >You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as > >a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you? > > > >Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle? > > > >- Jeremy > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Alyssa, I don't understand this statement: >this is why we are creating a new list serve that is >for members only. because the members of the campaign >are using their democratic right to controll what >their name is involved in. and we are interested in >doing work and the other people are not. all they >want to do is sit at their computer all day and >disrespect people in a public forum and attack all of >the good work we are doing while they do nothing but >try to break up the movement they are riding on. I assume you are talking about SWORD as you also mention Joe's email. I'd just like to know where you get the idea that we are not doing any work in the community. I myself have repeatedly told you about community meetings or actions we are involved in. What specifically is the work that the NBPC is doing that we are "riding"? Can you explain this? As you are a member of the steering committee, I request an explanation as to my expulsion from the PC, especially as to why I was expelled directly from the women's caucus. Tamara >From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] A new listserve PLEASE!!! >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT) > >WHEN IS THE LISTSERVE GOING TO CHANGE SO ONLY MEMBERS >CAN PARTICIPATE? > >frankly i am through with the whole discussion and it >is messages like the one below that have ended it for >me. It is comments like these that caused the >disscussion in the womens caucus meeting in the first >place (we then brought it to the larger body). > >do we think the FBI just dissapeared after the black >panthers, that cointellpro doesn't exist? people are >reading this crap, and they're laughing and they're >planning how to exacerbate the situation even more so >we wont get anything done. this is how the revolution >was smashed in the 70's and we need to read our >histroy and learn from it. > >we do not have time to be name calling, its >ridiculous. we have serious work to do. why isn't >anyone talking about how to fill all of the positions >that aren't filled in the campaign so more people are >doing work and we expand and grow? why are we >fighting all of the time? > >i think we need to recognize that we are the richest >people in the world and no one else has time to argue >like we do. frankly we don't either. you call >yourself a revolutionary? you say you want unity? do >it, don't say it. if you have time to write four five >emails a day bashing all of the work that people are >doing, you are wasting your time and everyone else's >who has to read your crap. > > >im sick of this shit and yeah im gonna say it just >like that. i cant wait until we get a new listserve so >i dont have to read all the bullshit anymore. > >alyssa joy > >--- joseph smith <can_bush@...> wrote: > > tracy i didn't like you before, but before we had a > > workable relationship. > > how is it again that communism is childish, big man? > > republicans in the > > garbage can! > > > > joe > > > > > > >From: TRACYFORD1420@... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely > > >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:15:52 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >ST. 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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > jeremy, why ask confusing questions that will lead to more confusion? why > not just present your view and agreement or disagreement with the views > already presented? if your agenda is to move the discussion forward... > > joe The problem is that the subject is confusing. If there were absolute answers to difficult political problems, the person with the One True Answer would be justified in picking up a gun and blowing away all of The Bad People. I don't think anyone could honestly believe that 300+ years of debate on what you call 'self-determination' as a concept is going to be solved once and for all on a NJ municipal politics discussion list. I'd be glad to clarify, of course, if anything I said seemed unclear. If you want what's basically an answer: I don't think it's 'progressive' or 'revolutionary' to defend the right of every discrete social/cultural/economic group to its own state. That seems to just lead to a world of exclusionary, and perhaps even genocidal, politics (eg, Jim's Pol Pot example). - Jeremy > >From: jagross66@h... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:18:27 -0000 > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical > > > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? > > > >That depends upon what the people grouped together as / within that > >nation want, correct? What if there is disagreement as to what is > >properly the nation's 'history' or properly the goal of the > >nation's 'development'? There have been plenty of people like > >Mobutu, making utterly bogus claims about 'cultural self- > >determination' while robbing their country blind. > > > > > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its > > > self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the > > > imperialists. > > > >Who draws the line that constitutes the boundaries of an " oppressed > >nation" 's identity? This seems to make it possible for the > >bureaucrats, representatives, or dictator(s) in charge of > >an 'oppressed' nation's (newly founded ...) state to claim an > >unwarranted moral authority. Where does the right to self- > >determination end? > > > >Irrespective: So far, in the 20th century, the nation-state has a > >horribly bad record. In fact, the people who still defend state > >sovereignity at all on political principle are largely of the more or > >less neo-Fascist Right. (The WTO is more of an example of people > >possessing the idiotic belief that politics can be collapsed into > >economics -- the neoliberal flipside of what Communists called 'E > >conomism'). > > > >TTYL, > > > >Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Poems are bullshit unless they are teeth or trees or lemons piled on a step. Or black ladies dying of men leaving nickel hearts beating them down. Fuck poems and they are useful, wd they shoot come at you, love what you are, breathe like wrestlers, or shudder strangely after pissing. We want live words of the hip world live flesh & coursing blood. Hearts Brains Souls splintering fire. We want poems like fists beating niggers out of Jocks or dagger poems in the slimy bellies of the owner-jews. Black poems to smear on girdlemamma mulatto bitches whose brains are red jelly stuck between 'lizabeth taylor's toes. Stinking Whores! We want "poems that kill." Assassin poems, Poems that shoot guns. Poems that wrestle cops into alleys and take their weapons leaving them dead with tongues pulled out and sent to Ireland. Knockoff poems for dope selling wops or slick halfwhite politicians Airplane poems, rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...tuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuh ...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...Setting fire and death to whities ass. Look at the Liberal Spokesman for the jews clutch his throat & puke himself into eternity...rrrrrrrr There's a negroleader pinned to a bar stool in Sardi's eyeballs melting in hot flame Another negroleader on the steps of the white house one kneeling between the sheriff's thighs negotiating cooly for his people. Agggh...stumbles across the room... Put it on him, poem. Strip him naked to the world! Another bad poem cracking steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth Poem scream poison gas on beasts in green berets Clean out the world for virtue and love, Let there be no love poems written until love can exist freely and cleanly. Let Black People understand that they are the lovers and the sons of lovers and warriors and sons of warriors Are poems & poets & all the loveliness here in the world We want a black poem. And a Black World. Let the world be a Black Poem And Let All Black People Speak This Poem Silently or LOUD --Amiri Baraka
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> IT MAKES YOU REALIZE HOW INSIGNIFICANT WE ALL ARE. > > > Some of us more than others, I think.
jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of segregation should be repaid for education? when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you support without bringing up the better counters? i want to underrstand what you think. joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and >Repartaions and Jim >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving >forward, and >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For >insatnce when he >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" >taking >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of >Afro-Americans to the US >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an >ultra-left error and >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against reparations >that's why >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that >Jim's >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans >man) is >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than >organize them. >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther >towards >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity. >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line >analgous to >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim >to do >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or >change his mind >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack >on Curtis is >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy >where there >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left line and its >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards >uniting >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in > defeating >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and >the People's >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and >Curtis (to >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized >and we will >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good vehicle to >bring >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force >people to >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim. > >cliff smith wrote: > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of >national > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to >it? > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only >economically, > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national >governments. > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of >Black > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated >for > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor >whites? > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the >vast, > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, >but > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, >political, > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to >jazz, > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from >these > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles >mingus. > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > >From: jmluceno@... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > >determination & > > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > > >the > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy > > >means those > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban > > >centers, > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the > > >right to > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are > > >the > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they > > >have never > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples > > >in US. > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they > > >be allowed to? > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the > > >heart of > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > > >problems". > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist > > >terror. the > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden > > >scheme. where > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the > > >suburbs. > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common > > >geographic > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by > > >Joe > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. > > >down > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > > >reparations > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > > > >the only > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > > > >convinced > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > > > >heard > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I > > >can > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > > > >about > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > > > >up, I > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot > > >condone > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > > >determination > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or > > >the > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have > > >never had > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it > > >belongs > > > > >in a > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against > > >in > > > > >both > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and > > >their > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey > > >State > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice > > >Peter > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, > > >commits > > > > >a > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and > > >severe > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent > > >with > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the > > >state > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls > > >upon the > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > > > >senators > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been > > >revealed > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute > > >than > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes > > >that > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > > >civilian > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate > > >crimes > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > > >already > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > julie- > > produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis. --- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > him [Curtis] co-operating with the j&j & their political > machine You just did, Cliff. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Hello all, Is anyone in possession of any record signed by someone from the housing authority which: 1. was presented to HUD or another _federal_ agency; 2. was signed on or after October 23, 1998; 3. involves a claim for federal money or other federal property; and 4. involves an assertion by the housing authority that it was in compliance with "the Housing Act of 1937" or "any federal requirement" or words to that effect? Inasmuch as I only have one such document at the moment meeting these criteria, I am looking for more. I am especially interested in any vouchers or progress payment requests for HOPE VI that might meet these criteria. Thanks.
julie, those are curtis' own spoken desires. he desires to co-operate with J&J from his own mouth. next... joe >From: Julie Poulos <juliepoulos@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:23:12 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > > julie- > > > > produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis. > >--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > > him [Curtis] co-operating with the j&j & their political > > machine > > >You just did, Cliff. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe -- I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery was abolished. What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is racism and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. That's absurd. They're impoverished because of racism. What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people care about is getting cash for slavery? You're being vague vague vague about this question of self- determination. What are the boundaries that form the black nation? What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? You're going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? What does the inner city produce that anybody needs? Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a phenomenon from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One-sidedeness is exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is. Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the *totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does not mean having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage. And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, you're not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs me up. It abandons you. There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you do... Jim --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of > segregation should be repaid for education? > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to underrstand what > you think. > > joe > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and > >Repartaions and Jim > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving > >forward, and > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For > >insatnce when he > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" > >taking > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of > >Afro-Americans to the US > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an > >ultra-left error and > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against reparations > >that's why > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that > >Jim's > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans > >man) is > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than > >organize them. > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther > >towards > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity. > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line > >analgous to > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim > >to do > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or > >change his mind > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack > >on Curtis is > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy > >where there > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left line and its > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards > >uniting > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in > > defeating > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and > >the People's > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and > >Curtis (to > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized > >and we will > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good vehicle to > >bring > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force > >people to > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim. > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of > >national > > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to > >it? > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only > >economically, > > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national > >governments. > > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of > >Black > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not > > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated > >for > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor > >whites? > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the > >vast, > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro- America, > >but > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, > >political, > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to > >jazz, > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from > >these > > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles > >mingus. > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > > >determination & > > > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > > > >the > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, > > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy > > > >means those > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban > > > >centers, > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the > > > >right to > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are > > > >the > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they > > > >have never > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples > > > >in US. > > > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they > > > >be allowed to? > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the > > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before > > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the > > > >heart of > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > > > >problems". > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist > > > >terror. the > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden > > > >scheme. where > > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self- determination. > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the > > > >suburbs. > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing > > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common > > > >geographic > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by > > > >Joe > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the > > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. > > > >down > > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self- determination. I'm > > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > > > >reparations > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > > > > >the only > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > > > > >convinced > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > > > > >heard > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I > > > >can > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > > > > >about > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > > > > >up, I > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot > > > >condone > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > > > >determination > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or > > > >the > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have > > > >never had > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it > > > >belongs > > > > > >in a > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against > > > >in > > > > > >both > > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, > > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S > > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and > > > >their > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly > > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey > > > >State > > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, > > > >commits > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and > > > >severe > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent > > > >with > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the > > > >state > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful > > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls > > > >upon the > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > > > > >senators > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been > > > >revealed > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute > > > >than > > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes > > > >that > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > > > >civilian > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate > > > >crimes > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > > > >already > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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Hello, I went and looked at some articles by Earl Ofari Hutchinson besides the one on Reparations. Interestingly, he wrote an article in favor of keeping the Electoral College. Since it largely corresponds to my understanding of the problem, I thought I'd repost it : --- The clamor by Hillary Rodham Clinton, Jesse Jackson and others, mostly Democrats, to dump the Electoral College is disingenuous at best and dangerous at worst. In 1992 Rodham Clinton and Jackson did not shout that the Electoral College is unfair and thwarted the popular will by permitting the candidate who wins a minority of the popular vote to occupy the White House. That year, Rodham Clinton's husband, Bill, won the presidency with a minority of the vote. In the same election, one out of five voters backed Reform Party presidential candidate Ross Perot. Yet he did not get a single electoral vote. Rodham Clinton and Jackson did not call that unfair. They inflame black and Latino voters by pounding on the point that the Electoral College gives too much power to mostly white, conservative farmers, ranchers, and live stock herders in sparsely populated states and too little power to those in racially diverse, densely populated states. But scrapping the Electoral College because Rodham Clinton and Jackson are piqued over a potential Bush presidency will badly hurt blacks and Latinos. Gore's edge over Bush in the popular vote was only marginally greater than Kennedy's over Nixon in the still much disputed 1960 election. And Bush racked up a 30 to 19 margin over him in the number of states won. Still, the massive support Gore got from blacks and Latinos in California, New York, New Jersey Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia enabled him, without--at least for the moment--Florida, to top Bush in the electoral column. Since electoral votes are ladled out to the states according to Census numbers, a presidential candidate need win only eleven of the most populous states to bag the presidency. This guarantees that black and Latino voters are major players in national politics. Clinton is a good example of this. In 1992 he relentlessly wooed black and Latino voters in California and it paid off. He won the state's 54 electoral votes. This is one fifth of the total needed to win the White House. During his re-election campaign in 1996, he visited California thirty times and met frequently with black and Latino political leaders and groups. They again played the crucial role in delivering California to Clinton. Gore and Bush, like Clinton, understood that it's political suicide for a presidential candidate not to actively court black and Latino voters in the major electoral states. This election Republicans and Democrats pumped millions of dollars into ads in black and Latino newspapers and radio stations to tout Gore and Bush. The Republican National Convention presented their version of a diversity showcase in Pennsylvania in a naked attempt to convince blacks and Latinos that the Republicans champion inclusion. During the campaign Bush spent much of his time in California and Michigan visiting black schools and churches in Detroit and Los Angeles and mugging for photo- ops with Latino and black community leaders. In the Deep South states, long thought safe for the Republicans, Bush had to wage a furious campaign to beat back the effort posed by the legions of black Democratic voters and officeholders to pry loose one or two of these states from him for the Democrats. Gore exhorted Latino and black ministers, athletes, entertainers, and politicians to prime his campaign in the key electoral states. He prevented a total Bush western blitz with his apparent razor thin win in New Mexico by courting the state's growing numbers of Latino voters. The magnitude of black and Latino votes in the must-win electoral states even blurred the political lines between Republicans and Democrats on some social issues. Gore pledged to end racial profiling, preserve affirmative action, boost health care for the uninsured, increase HIV/AIDS funding, back massive aid to failing inner-city public schools, and make racially-diverse appointments. Bush soft peddled his opposition to affirmative action, and support of school vouchers, talked about boosting education and health care spending, promoting immigration reform, making racially-diverse appointments. On the campaign trail he kept black Republicans Colin Powell, J.C. Watts and Condeleeza Rice virtually locked at his hip. In 2004 the states will be reapportioned on 2000 census population estimates. California, New York, and Florida, with large and growing black and Latino populations, and the handful of other states that the Democrats bank on for their major support, will figure even bigger in their campaign plans. In the Deep South states that Bush won the number of black and Latino voters will also continue to rise. And their votes will translate out into more electoral votes. Democrats and Republicans will be forced to aggressively court, woo, and stroke black and Latino voters, and publicly support policy initiatives that benefit their communities. Thank the Electoral College for that.
jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of segregation should be repaid for education? when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you support without bringing up the better counters? i want to underrstand what you think. joe >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:11:26 -0000 > >I wouldn't argue that in every case. Do you support Pol Pot, just >because he's anti-imperialist? I don't. I consider that to be an >ethical question which transcends the question of so-called "self- >determination." > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical > > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder? > > > > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its > > self-determined state. to argue otherwise is to defend the >imperialists. > > > > > > >From: jagross66@h... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000 > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > >determination & > > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > > >the > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > >You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as > > >a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are >you? > > > > > >Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle? > > > > > >- Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote: > Joe -- > > I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can > tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. Well, I would guess that the very last living American slave would've died in the 1960's. There were probably at least a few thousand such people still alive at the beginning of World War II. "But that's neither here nor there." Do your math, sonnyboy. > What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > was abolished. The best connection you can make would be that a great many Blacks migrated to northern cities to escape Jim Crow, and to benefit from the postwar industrial economy, in the 40's, 50's and to some extent 60's. 'The Ghetto' was a byproduct of Jim Crow. Jim Crow was a very immediate product of slavery. But this could never be addressed through reparations, if by that you mean giving cash stipends to individuals. Targeted public investment of various kinds as a sort of reparations is a different story. That, and certain cultural measures - eg, reforming the way Black History is taught as something discrete or separate from American History proper. Again, this would take the form of a revival of antipoverty and civil rights concerns, or even the 'Second Reconstruction' that was systematically abandoned after about 1974. In that case, what you're talking about is an inherently pluralist, integrationist mindset. > What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money > at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people care > about is getting cash for slavery? I think if people support "Reparations", they ought to clarify what they mean in terms of public policy.
reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from entirety of slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank. & to include free education for blacks. self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to determine their relation to their oppressor. & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to determine precisely the afro-american relation to the US. "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one? they have no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate them!"-- from the intellect of j-low >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:22:53 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote: > > Joe -- > > > > I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can > > tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. > >Well, I would guess that the very last living American slave would've >died in the 1960's. There were probably at least a few thousand such >people still alive at the beginning of World War II. "But that's >neither here nor there." > >Do your math, sonnyboy. > > > What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > > was abolished. > >The best connection you can make would be that a great many Blacks >migrated to northern cities to escape Jim Crow, and to benefit from >the postwar industrial economy, in the 40's, 50's and to some extent >60's. 'The Ghetto' was a byproduct of Jim Crow. Jim Crow was a very >immediate product of slavery. > >But this could never be addressed through reparations, if by that you >mean giving cash stipends to individuals. Targeted public investment >of various kinds as a sort of reparations is a different story. >That, and certain cultural measures - eg, reforming the way Black >History is taught as something discrete or separate from American >History proper. > >Again, this would take the form of a revival of antipoverty and civil >rights concerns, or even the 'Second Reconstruction' that was >systematically abandoned after about 1974. In that case, what you're >talking about is an inherently pluralist, integrationist mindset. > > > What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money > > at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people >care > > about is getting cash for slavery? > >I think if people support "Reparations", they ought to clarify what >they mean in terms of public policy. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
"As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced of the benefit of reparations for slavery." -jim luceno "I cannot condone national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue." -jl "...Loss of national sovereignty is incidental... -jl "to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an ultra-left error and a un- informed remark." -keith joseph how, exactly, are these positions different from open white supremacist, imperialist, klan analysis? "How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or change his mind or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?" -kj i think i made an educational argument, and that it was rejected fully. im not trying to change peoples mind. thats their own responsibility. jim is an educated, relatively (i.e.--to his nationally oppressed neighbors on sanford st. whose rights & realities he denies) privileged person. i will struggle with anyone to the extent they represent an objectively progressive position. however, i will oppose & expose every backward position to the end, no matter who it comes from. in this way, to unite with & organize the oppressed masses. yr speaking to the wrong person about bringing together revolutionary intellectuals and workers. "First of all, most people are against reparations that's why we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it." -kj this argument sums up the tendency to slander the people, as way to compromise with reactionaries, & then attack principled, working-class positions as "ultra-left" & "counter-revolutionary" as cover. the only people opposed to reparations for the oppressed are the oppressors who would have to pay them, and comfortable, self-inflated, so-called "intellectuals". even the republicans recognize the people are conscious of being robbed (especially oppressed nations of all classes). this is why they sell "tax-cuts" against the "tax&spend" democrats, to "give back to the hard-working people what is rightfully theirs..." how whitman beat florio to begin with. the reason we don't have reparations is because of the army & the police, the ruling class state to which yr friend curtis is so loyal. >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and >Repartaions and Jim >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving >forward, and >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For >insatnce when he >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" >taking >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of >Afro-Americans to the US >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an >ultra-left error and >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against reparations >that's why >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that >Jim's >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans >man) is >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than >organize them. >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther >towards >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity. >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line >analgous to >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim >to do >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or >change his mind >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack >on Curtis is >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy >where there >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left line and its >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards >uniting >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in > defeating >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and >the People's >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and >Curtis (to >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized >and we will >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good vehicle to >bring >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force >people to >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim. > >cliff smith wrote: > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of >national > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to >it? > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only >economically, > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national >governments. > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of >Black > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos are not > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated >for > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor >whites? > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the >vast, > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south? > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, >but > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its economic, >political, > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny goodman to >jazz, > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ from >these > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles >mingus. > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > >From: jmluceno@... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > >determination & > > > > the theft of national resources. your celebrated "modernism" is > > >the > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if you like, > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and industrialization has > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing national > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. I'll agree > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class question, > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however democracy > > >means those > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban > > >centers, > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the > > >right to > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are > > >the > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they > > >have never > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples > > >in US. > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the grassroots > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of *race*? Why? > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. Should they > > >be allowed to? > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what you will > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than what the > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are unique > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage is what > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the > > >heart of > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > > >problems". > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a community > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or better > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an international > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then we can > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need something > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist > > >terror. the > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden > > >scheme. where > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the southern > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination. > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force? > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is drawn > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest. > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real political > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget about > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class about > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the idea > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part of > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. Because you > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the > > >suburbs. > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by balkanizing > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common > > >geographic > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by > > >Joe > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy! > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital! > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. > > >down > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination. I'm > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down with radical > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do you get > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > > >reparations > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and > > > > >the only > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not > > > > >convinced > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not > > > > >heard > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I > > >can > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement > > > > >about > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came > > > > >up, I > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot > > >condone > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > > >determination > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or > > >the > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have > > >never had > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it > > >belongs > > > > >in a > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against > > >in > > > > >both > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and > > >their > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey > > >State > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice > > >Peter > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, > > >commits > > > > >a > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and > > >severe > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent > > >with > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the > > >state > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls > > >upon the > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of > > > > >senators > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been > > >revealed > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute > > >than > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes > > >that > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > > >civilian > > > > >police > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate > > >crimes > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > > >already > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if > > >they are > > > > > > >good > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - > > >732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Last minute reminder. Special NBHA Meeting Tommorrow, Tuesday, April 10th at 6:30pm at the Schwartz/Robeson Community Center at 37 Van Dyke Ave. The discussion will be on why the NBHA is privatizing the Phase I portion of Hope VI. Please come out to defend our city.
Jim- In Amiri Baraka's classic The Black Nation, which articulates the call for self-determination, he refers to "nation" in the organic sense (extrapolated from Stalin's definition to be found in "Foundations of Leninism") with the following critiera (to paraphrase): A historically constituted people with a common land base, common economy, common culture, common language, and a common phycology. If you look at what DuBois referred to as the Black Belt you will find these criteria met. (I'm not sure if he also advanced the idea to include the majority African American population centers migrated out of the Black Belt into 27 major cities) Importantly, nowhere is "Border" referred to, and certainly, nowhere is "race" referred to, as both of these are imposed on oppresed nations by oppressor nations, as the US on the Black Belt, or Black Nation. Or, if you consider, for instance, the Navaho Nation, which was an opressed nation without borders until it was consumed within an oppressor nation, and forced onto reservations. Consider, also, that in The Black Nation, Amiri calls for self-determination for not only the Black Nation (Black Belt, etc.) but also for the Native American and Chicano nations. And more lately, I have heard him advance the call for reparations not only for the Black Nation, but also for opressed whites in Appalacia! Check out the Black Nation...it's around. Later, Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: jmluceno@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000 You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and progress. Period. You fight against anything that is an objective limit to democracy. I agree that blacks are oppressed in America. Do they comprise a nation, though, in the strict sense of the word? I don't think so. We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway. You cannot base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without falling into totalitarianism. In the United States, this was the initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument that it almost destroyed the country. In fact, the extent to which they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was the extent to which white actually helped save their own country. I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be essentially pre-modern. It has no place in modern democracy. Sorry. That's the way it is. If your idea of a nation, and what you fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're just not really progressive. Are you an internationalist? I hope you are if you're a Marxist. Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing nation state? Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or am I misunderstanding your position? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist profiling at all, > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put forward? > > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign slogan?) > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community would > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, police, &tc. > by democratically controlling these institutions. self- determination is a > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit black > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist. > > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america? > > joe > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > >Joe, > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not heard > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came up, I > >would be against both of those lines. > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation." I > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue. > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both > >theory and practice? > > > >Jim > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > Press Secretary > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > >Campaign, > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities > >and > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > >Senate > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a > >hate > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > >police > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators > >from > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, > >the > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > >good > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
how do you propose to "build a base in the working class community" behind the position "improve, don't break, the imperialist political machine"? >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:48:06 > >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts >to about the same thing... > >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we >must >have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible organizational >models rooted in existing community networks and institutions) > >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you >still >willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a hundred >flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This legal >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance. > >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we >do >our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI >Radio. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000 > >Matt: > >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding >egroups taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of >the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, >in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark >law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining, >decided that: > >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a >moderator screens all messages. That list will be used for official >NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters >etc. Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the >moderator will be posted. > >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. >Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list. > >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or >read the messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any >way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating. > >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists >and what will become of the present list, is still under >consideration. This is not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample >forums for debate and discussion will remain. However, by parsing >this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties >who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what >kind of information they want to receive. Likewise, onlookers will >be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is >members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC. > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! 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defend democracy in new brunswick, dump the republicans in the raritan river with large rocks tied to their legs. >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBHA INVESTIGATIONS-URGENT >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:00:03 EDT > > > >Last minute reminder. > >Special NBHA Meeting Tommorrow, Tuesday, April 10th at 6:30pm at the >Schwartz/Robeson Community Center at 37 Van Dyke Ave. > >The discussion will be on why the NBHA is privatizing the Phase I portion >of >Hope VI. > >Please come out to defend our city. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> defend democracy in new brunswick, dump the republicans in the raritan river > with large rocks tied to their legs. > That's right! Defend democracy, therefore destroy oppositional views. Err, wait a second. That doesn't sound like demo-- ......<ker-SPLASH>
JOE SMITH IS PROUD, KNOWING NOTHING, BUT DOTING ABOUT QUESTIONS AND STRIFES OF WORDS, WHERE OF COME ENVY, STRIFE, RAILINGS EVIL SURMISING, PERVERSE DISPUTING OF MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, AND DESTITUTE OF THE TRUTH, SUPPOSING THAT GAIN IS GODLINESS. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from entirety of > slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank. It would make more sense to simply figure out what political measures need to be implemented, and then ascertain the cost. Perhaps such a calculation could be used as a bargaining point, but it would be extremely difficult to get a remotely accurate figure, I'd imagine. > & to include free education for blacks. But at this point you may as well simply advocate to have free college education for everyone. > self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to determine > their relation to their oppressor. What if the leadership of the "oppressed people" is self-interested, corrupt, power hungry, etc? Who's going to be the spokesperson for "Our Culture"? > & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to determine > precisely the afro-american relation to the US. How would you determine who is indeed an African American such that they could cast a vote in this plebiscite? Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound way. Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly offensive. The Klan would certainly like the idea. I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural pluralism to be futile, in any case. > "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one? they have > no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate them!"-- > from the intellect of j-low Oh, prate not -- what vulgar poppycock! Yours, J
JOE, WILL IT BECOME AN IDEOLOGY FOCUSED ON PERSONNEL WELL-BEING, SPIRITUAL REDEMPTION, AND SELF=REALIZATION WITHIN THE EXISTING SOCIETY??? TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jeremy wrote: Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound way. Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly offensive. The Klan would certainly like the idea. I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural pluralism to be futile, in any case." cliff suggested a national plebisite, a vote, for the black nation to determine their relationship to their oppressors. expain how this would validate white racism in any way. cliff never suggested what the outcome of this vote should be, so i am confused as to why you assume he considers integration or cultural pluralism futile, can you explain why you put words in his mouth in an attempt to de-validate his arguement? also if the leadership of the nation is sold-out that is up to the nation to handle, not outside aggressive imperialist forces. do you suggest that US Imperialism is correct for attacking iraqi soveriegnty because they claim hussein is a ruthless dictator? more specifically, are you for or against reparations and self-determination (the basis of democracy!) for the black nation and all oppressed nations? can you briefly explain? joe >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:47:42 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > > reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from >entirety of > > slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank. > >It would make more sense to simply figure out what political measures >need to be implemented, and then ascertain the cost. Perhaps such a >calculation could be used as a bargaining point, but it would be >extremely difficult to get a remotely accurate figure, I'd imagine. > > > & to include free education for blacks. > >But at this point you may as well simply advocate to have free >college education for everyone. > > > self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to >determine > > their relation to their oppressor. > >What if the leadership of the "oppressed people" is self-interested, >corrupt, power hungry, etc? Who's going to be the spokesperson >for "Our Culture"? > > > & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to >determine > > precisely the afro-american relation to the US. > >How would you determine who is indeed an African American such that >they could cast a vote in this plebiscite? > >Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would >validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound >way. Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would >probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly >offensive. The Klan would certainly like the idea. > >I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural >pluralism to be futile, in any case. > > > "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one? >they have > > no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate >them!"-- > > from the intellect of j-low > >Oh, prate not -- what vulgar poppycock! > >Yours, > >J > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
this is joe smith. it is my mistake for the comments i made regarding frank bright being thrown in the raritan. revolution does not happen through personal/narrow attacks and to suggest that, as i did, is completely wrong. to remove bright as a person does not remove the republican influence over public housing. nor does it provide progressive motion for those that live in public housing, which must be my work. though the instict to attack republicans was my intention, revolution is not vigilanty actions. we must work to organize peoples' war on the right as a broad development that will work to raise the consciousness of the people to oppose and defeat republican agendas. my call was undisciplined and i accept full responsiblity. i will work to develop a more disciplined and clear position that can work to organize people to embrace revolutionary positions. my comments were narrow and not a proper representative of how to organize the people in public housing, let alone the community. i must work to put forward easily understood peoples' democratic positions while at the same time exposing republican agendas as being counter to the interest of democratic community control over the institutions that govern the community. i suggest to all paying attention to this to offer criticisms that will help to provide better ways to attack republican agendas in principled revolutionary platforms. that is what i will work to do. joe
good response, except that jim not only denies the existence of the black nation, and denies the right to reparations of afro-americans (whether nation or not!), but he denies the right of reparation & self-determination to any oppressed nation. even those whose existence he recognizes! >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Self Determination & Reparations >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:10:03 > > >Jim- In Amiri Baraka's classic The Black Nation, which articulates the call >for self-determination, he refers to "nation" in the organic sense >(extrapolated from Stalin's definition to be found in "Foundations of >Leninism") with the following critiera (to paraphrase): > >A historically constituted people with a common land base, common economy, >common culture, common language, and a common phycology. > >If you look at what DuBois referred to as the Black Belt you will find >these >criteria met. (I'm not sure if he also advanced the idea to include the >majority African American population centers migrated out of the Black Belt >into 27 major cities) Importantly, nowhere is "Border" referred to, and >certainly, nowhere is "race" referred to, as both of these are imposed on >oppresed nations by oppressor nations, as the US on the Black Belt, or >Black >Nation. Or, if you consider, for instance, the Navaho Nation, which was an >opressed nation without borders until it was consumed within an oppressor >nation, and forced onto reservations. Consider, also, that in The Black >Nation, Amiri calls for self-determination for not only the Black Nation >(Black Belt, etc.) but also for the Native American and Chicano nations. >And more lately, I have heard him advance the call for reparations not only >for the Black Nation, but also for opressed whites in Appalacia! > >Check out the Black Nation...it's around. Later, Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000 > >You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and >progress. Period. You fight against anything that is an objective >limit to democracy. > >I agree that blacks are oppressed in America. Do they comprise a >nation, though, in the strict sense of the word? I don't think so. > >We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway. You cannot >base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without >falling into totalitarianism. In the United States, this was the >initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument >that it almost destroyed the country. In fact, the extent to which >they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was >the extent to which white actually helped save their own country. > >I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be >essentially pre-modern. It has no place in modern democracy. >Sorry. That's the way it is. If your idea of a nation, and what you >fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're >just not really progressive. > >Are you an internationalist? I hope you are if you're a Marxist. >Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing >nation state? Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you >want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or >am I misunderstanding your position? > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist >profiling at all, > > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put >forward? > > > > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign >slogan?) > > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community >would > > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, >police, &tc. > > by democratically controlling these institutions. self- >determination is a > > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit >black > > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist. > > > > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america? > > > > joe > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not >convinced > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I have not >heard > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it. > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement >about > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the debate came >up, I > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black >nation." I > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the >issue. > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we have never had > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs >in a > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in >both > > >theory and practice? > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> >wrote: > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's > > >Campaign, > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all >nationalities > > >and > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today: > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State > > >Senate > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits >a > > >hate > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who >turn a > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate Judiciary >Committee > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that >Justice > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state > > >police > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice. > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for >Justice > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of >senators > > >from > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's >hearings, > > >the > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than >ever. > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that > > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian >police > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes >of > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color. > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all legislators, if they are > > >good > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! 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full & immediate reparations, unrestricted. full & immediate self-determination means the right to decide. to decide the relation to the the US. to decide who is eligible to vote. to decide all related questions. >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:47:42 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > > reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from >entirety of > > slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank. > >It would make more sense to simply figure out what political measures >need to be implemented, and then ascertain the cost. Perhaps such a >calculation could be used as a bargaining point, but it would be >extremely difficult to get a remotely accurate figure, I'd imagine. > > > & to include free education for blacks. > >But at this point you may as well simply advocate to have free >college education for everyone. > > > self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to >determine > > their relation to their oppressor. > >What if the leadership of the "oppressed people" is self-interested, >corrupt, power hungry, etc? Who's going to be the spokesperson >for "Our Culture"? > > > & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to >determine > > precisely the afro-american relation to the US. > >How would you determine who is indeed an African American such that >they could cast a vote in this plebiscite? > >Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would >validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound >way. Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would >probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly >offensive. The Klan would certainly like the idea. > >I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural >pluralism to be futile, in any case. > > > "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one? >they have > > no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate >them!"-- > > from the intellect of j-low > >Oh, prate not -- what vulgar poppycock! > >Yours, > >J > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers! referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist david horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for black-and racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white supremacist spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy can be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum to fall to such standards. emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center. contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@... for ride or agenda topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily targum - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section. the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper for white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the student body. also e-mail news@... - let us flood them with our outcry. tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 and suggest that others do the same. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
OH MY GOD!! An opinion that differs from yours!!! This is an emergency. IMMEDIATELY DEMAND that the whole world shit its pants and prevent the offending opinion from being heard. Let's form an army and march down to Targum headquarters. On our way back, we shall have the heads of all Targum staff members on sticks and parade them around in New Brunswick as the masses cheer us on. With Joe and Cliff Smith leading. Just imagine it -- democracy in action! > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers! > > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist david > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for black-and > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white supremacist > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy can > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum to > fall to such standards. > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center. > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@... for ride or agenda > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily targum > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section. > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper for > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the student > body. also e-mail news@... - let us flood them with our outcry. > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 and > suggest that others do the same. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
I am glad Joe that you have retracted your threat of murder, at least for the time being. Perhaps if at some point in the future you decide it would a great way to start a "revolution" you will change your mind? This is not about discipline or lack of discipline, or principle or lack of principle. This is about a human being. If you cannot see another's humanity and accept their right to live, you cannot organize people. If people are simply tools for the "revolution", they will not be organized. Attacks on a persons life, racist attacks, threats and manipulation, all of which deny another's right to exist and be self-determining, while oppressing them often at the same time, all to serve some glorious end cooked up in your mind, demonstrate to people you are not capable of, or refuse to, relate to them as human beings. If you cannot do that, you've missed the boat called life. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
republicans put forward republican lines, not human lines. zofia, your "humanity" has no class divisions? understand that this is not about a human being, we must attack republicans and organize the people to do so. it is in my interest to get republicans out of the "boat". joe >From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Threats >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT) > >I am glad Joe that you have retracted your threat of >murder, at least for the time being. Perhaps if at >some point in the future you decide it would a great >way to start a "revolution" you will change your mind? > >This is not about discipline or lack of discipline, or >principle or lack of principle. This is about a human >being. If you cannot see another's humanity and >accept their right to live, you cannot organize >people. If people are simply tools for the >"revolution", they will not be organized. Attacks on >a persons life, racist attacks, threats and >manipulation, all of which deny another's right to >exist and be self-determining, while oppressing them >often at the same time, all to serve some glorious end >cooked up in your mind, demonstrate to people you are >not capable of, or refuse to, relate to them as human >beings. If you cannot do that, you've missed the boat >called life. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I AGREE WITH ZOFIA TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: That's an incredibly bad idea. Horowitz's ultimate aim, I think, is to create a popular reaction against nominally left or at least liberal academics throughout the universities in this country. Like many neoconservatives, he's very opposed to the fact that the social sciences and humanities aren't full of outright conservative thinkers. And he's opposed to the typically at least superficially left-liberal culture on campus. But it's hard to make this into a major political issue, to make it a prominent part of 'public opinion', because usually the universities are not a part of most people's daily concerns. This ad was an attempt, however, to do so. He basically staged it knowing that students would protest in angry, often ill-considered ways. He could then point to the protests and say, "See! There's a huge Marxist conspiracy in the universities in this country. Look how disgusting it is. And the Left is really racist, don't you know!". The last thing you want to do is to, basically, make yourself a tool of David Horowitz. Yours, Jeremy > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers! > > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist david > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for black-and > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white supremacist > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy can > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum to > fall to such standards. > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center. > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@h... for ride or agenda > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily targum > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section. > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper for > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the student > body. also e-mail news@d... - let us flood them with our outcry. > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 and > suggest that others do the same. > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
JOE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. A REVOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF ,LIVING INSTITUTES, NEW GROUPINGS AND NEW RELATIONS. IT IS ALSO THE DESTRUCTION OF PRIVILEGE AND MONOPOLY,[JOE DOE NOT KNOW ALSO, BECAUSE HAVING MORE IN COMMON MR. JONES AND CAHILL WHO OPPRESS SO-CALLED BLACK NATION WHICH I AND CURTIS ARE A PART.] THE SPIRIT OF A NEW JUSTICE AND FRATERNITY, OF THAT LIBERTY WHICH SHOULD OVERHAUL THE WHOLE NEW LIFE OF SOCIETY, 5THE MORAL LEVEL AND MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MASSES, PROMPTING THEM TO LOOK TO THEIR OWN FUTURE THROUGH INTELLIGENT DIRECT ACTION. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
zofia- this is as inane a statement as ive heard from you. in the real "boat called life", the republican party is chief executioner of international genocide. noone has the right to join this massacre, no matter how much some may be charmed. if you really are concerned with the welfare of the poor & suffering, you will be honest as to what is the cause of the situation, and support all efforts to end it. >From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Threats >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT) > >I am glad Joe that you have retracted your threat of >murder, at least for the time being. Perhaps if at >some point in the future you decide it would a great >way to start a "revolution" you will change your mind? > >This is not about discipline or lack of discipline, or >principle or lack of principle. This is about a human >being. If you cannot see another's humanity and >accept their right to live, you cannot organize >people. If people are simply tools for the >"revolution", they will not be organized. Attacks on >a persons life, racist attacks, threats and >manipulation, all of which deny another's right to >exist and be self-determining, while oppressing them >often at the same time, all to serve some glorious end >cooked up in your mind, demonstrate to people you are >not capable of, or refuse to, relate to them as human >beings. If you cannot do that, you've missed the boat >called life. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda, freely spread through the student funded newspaper of the state university, should be protested out of existence? i remember seeing jeremy read baraka's "death to the klan" speech in high passion at brower commons. lets have more of that! speak out against racist profiling & police brutality, 1may, brower commons. >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: meet to protest targum >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:36:02 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > >That's an incredibly bad idea. > >Horowitz's ultimate aim, I think, is to create a popular reaction >against nominally left or at least liberal academics throughout the >universities in this country. Like many neoconservatives, he's very >opposed to the fact that the social sciences and humanities aren't full >of outright conservative thinkers. And he's opposed to the typically >at least superficially left-liberal culture on campus. > >But it's hard to make this into a major political issue, to make it a >prominent part of 'public opinion', because usually the universities >are not a part of most people's daily concerns. > >This ad was an attempt, however, to do so. He basically staged it >knowing that students would protest in angry, often ill-considered >ways. He could then point to the protests and say, "See! There's a >huge Marxist conspiracy in the universities in this country. Look how >disgusting it is. And the Left is really racist, don't you know!". > >The last thing you want to do is to, basically, make yourself a tool of >David Horowitz. > >Yours, > >Jeremy > > > > > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers! > > > > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist >david > > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for >black-and > > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an > > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white >supremacist > > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence > > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy >can > > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically > > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum >to > > fall to such standards. > > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center. > > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@h... for ride or agenda > > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily >targum > > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section. > > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an > > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper >for > > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the >student > > body. also e-mail news@d... - let us flood them with our outcry. > > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 >and > > suggest that others do the same. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
CLIFF, I THOUGHT A REVOLUTION IS ORGANIZATION OF ALL PUBLIC SERVICES BY THOSE WORKING IN THEM, IN THEIR INTEREST AS MUCH AS IN THE PUBLIC'S INTEREST. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
1. demand the targum refuse ink to white supremacists 2. hold university president francis lawrence directly responsible for creating an invironment in which rutgers papers would embrace white supremacists. "blacks are genetically inferior to whites..." 3. demand from the targum Reparations for printing harawitz agenda. feature section to promote black & all national, women, white working class stories to run at least once a week. 4. propoganda and agitation to promote march may 16 to defeat racist profiling & police brutality. propoganda and agitation to promote defeating the republican candidate for governor. jeremy i do not accept your criticism, where is your better proposal? do people understand that criticism means nothing if there is no better proposal to the one that is criticized? >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: meet to protest targum >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:36:02 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > >That's an incredibly bad idea. > >Horowitz's ultimate aim, I think, is to create a popular reaction >against nominally left or at least liberal academics throughout the >universities in this country. Like many neoconservatives, he's very >opposed to the fact that the social sciences and humanities aren't full >of outright conservative thinkers. And he's opposed to the typically >at least superficially left-liberal culture on campus. > >But it's hard to make this into a major political issue, to make it a >prominent part of 'public opinion', because usually the universities >are not a part of most people's daily concerns. > >This ad was an attempt, however, to do so. He basically staged it >knowing that students would protest in angry, often ill-considered >ways. He could then point to the protests and say, "See! There's a >huge Marxist conspiracy in the universities in this country. Look how >disgusting it is. And the Left is really racist, don't you know!". > >The last thing you want to do is to, basically, make yourself a tool of >David Horowitz. > >Yours, > >Jeremy > > > > > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers! > > > > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist >david > > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for >black-and > > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an > > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white >supremacist > > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence > > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy >can > > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically > > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum >to > > fall to such standards. > > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center. > > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@h... for ride or agenda > > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily >targum > > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section. > > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an > > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper >for > > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the >student > > body. also e-mail news@d... - let us flood them with our outcry. > > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 >and > > suggest that others do the same. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Republicans in the Garbage Can! >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Threats >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT) > >JOE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. A REVOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF >,LIVING INSTITUTES, NEW GROUPINGS AND NEW RELATIONS. IT IS ALSO THE >DESTRUCTION OF PRIVILEGE AND MONOPOLY,[JOE DOE NOT KNOW ALSO, BECAUSE >HAVING MORE IN COMMON MR. JONES AND CAHILL WHO OPPRESS SO-CALLED BLACK >NATION WHICH I AND CURTIS ARE A PART.] THE SPIRIT OF A NEW JUSTICE AND >FRATERNITY, OF THAT LIBERTY WHICH SHOULD OVERHAUL THE WHOLE NEW LIFE OF >SOCIETY, 5THE MORAL LEVEL AND MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MASSES, >PROMPTING THEM TO LOOK TO THEIR OWN FUTURE THROUGH INTELLIGENT DIRECT >ACTION. >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
ya mean for instance, that the employees of pse&g wd get together w/ the american federation of state, county, & municipal employees, the national education association, & the fire dept., to co-ordinate utilities with gov't apparatus & schools, to everyone's advantage? well, in part, yes, revolution is a question of the workers' power over the state & social infrastructure. but more, it is the organization of the whole people to seize control of the world's wealth & resources so to organize things around our needs, rather than around the profit drive of monopoly imperialism. it is true that the democrats are part of the oppression of the black nation, 2nd only to the republicans, but joe is correct to attack the republican organization as the foremost obstacle to social progress. build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party! --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: > CLIFF, I THOUGHT A REVOLUTION IS ORGANIZATION OF ALL PUBLIC SERVICES BY > THOSE WORKING IN THEM, IN THEIR INTEREST AS MUCH AS IN THE PUBLIC'S > INTEREST. > TRACY FORD > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
"Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks Is a Bad Idea for
Blacks and Racist, Too"
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very eloquent definition of revolution, tracy! >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Threats >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT) > >JOE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. A REVOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF >,LIVING INSTITUTES, NEW GROUPINGS AND NEW RELATIONS. IT IS ALSO THE >DESTRUCTION OF PRIVILEGE AND MONOPOLY,[JOE DOE NOT KNOW ALSO, BECAUSE >HAVING MORE IN COMMON MR. JONES AND CAHILL WHO OPPRESS SO-CALLED BLACK >NATION WHICH I AND CURTIS ARE A PART.] THE SPIRIT OF A NEW JUSTICE AND >FRATERNITY, OF THAT LIBERTY WHICH SHOULD OVERHAUL THE WHOLE NEW LIFE OF >SOCIETY, 5THE MORAL LEVEL AND MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MASSES, >PROMPTING THEM TO LOOK TO THEIR OWN FUTURE THROUGH INTELLIGENT DIRECT >ACTION. >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
THANK YOU, KRISTINA. I ALWAYS TRY TO THE RIGHT THING. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
FOR MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTER INTO NEW BRUNSWICK AND CONFESS TO BE REVOLUTIONARIES. THESE ARE DECEIVERS AND THEIR ANTICHRIST WHO LEAD THEM. I WANT TO ORGANIZE THE UNORGANIZED. BUT WE MUST BE ORGANIZE OURSELVES. KEITH KNOW THAT JOE DOES NOT HAVE SELF-CONTROLLED AND IF HE HAD IT THEN HE WOULD NOT MAKE DEATH THREAT TOWARD FRANK BRIGHT. CLIFF IS MORE PATIENT WITH HIS WORDS AND MIGHT CAN ENTER IN THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. THEY MUST BE NOT BRAWLERS A ND REVILERS TO COME FROM BLOCK ON LOCK OR SWORD. FRANK BRIGHT IS THE PERSON THE NEW BRUNSWICK DEMOCRATS FEAR THE MOST . ARE YOU AFRAID OF HIM?KEITH, JOE, CLIFF, TOM, AND X. OBSERVE THE OPERATIONS OF FRANK BRIGHT. HE IS SUCCESSFUL. HE MAKES NO EXCUSES FOR HIS FAILURES. HE WORKS HARD IN A COLLECTIVE MANNER. YOU [PEOPLE WITH ANY COMMON SENSE] SHOULD DO THE SAME.
I FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT FRANK BRIGHT IS DOING FOR US. HIS TRACK SPEAK FOR ITSELF. I AM NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE IS MY LOCAL REPUBLICAN LEADER. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
i made no threat towards frank bright and the self-criticism i offered made certain that frank bright was not under attack from my previous statements. bright was successful at dividing the peoples' campaign in order to serve republican agenda. bright in no way cares one bit about promoting community control and he should officially be removed from nbpc as well as all others that violate campaign platform. i have enough discipline to put forward anti-republican positions, more than i can say for most. joe >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Threats >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:31:17 -0400 (EDT) > >FOR MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTER INTO NEW BRUNSWICK AND CONFESS TO BE >REVOLUTIONARIES. THESE ARE DECEIVERS AND THEIR ANTICHRIST WHO LEAD THEM. >I WANT TO ORGANIZE THE UNORGANIZED. BUT WE MUST BE ORGANIZE OURSELVES. >KEITH KNOW THAT JOE DOES NOT HAVE SELF-CONTROLLED AND IF HE HAD IT THEN >HE WOULD NOT MAKE DEATH THREAT TOWARD FRANK BRIGHT. CLIFF IS MORE >PATIENT WITH HIS WORDS AND MIGHT CAN ENTER IN THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. THEY >MUST BE NOT BRAWLERS A ND REVILERS TO COME FROM BLOCK ON LOCK OR SWORD. >FRANK BRIGHT IS THE PERSON THE NEW BRUNSWICK DEMOCRATS FEAR THE MOST . >ARE YOU AFRAID OF HIM?KEITH, JOE, CLIFF, TOM, AND X. OBSERVE THE >OPERATIONS OF FRANK BRIGHT. HE IS SUCCESSFUL. HE MAKES NO EXCUSES FOR >HIS FAILURES. HE WORKS HARD IN A COLLECTIVE MANNER. YOU [PEOPLE WITH ANY >COMMON SENSE] SHOULD DO THE SAME. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
"black" is a country amiri baraka, 1962. To add to a growing list of "dirty" words that make Americans squirm add the word Nationalism. I would say that the word has gained almost as much infamy in some quarters of this country as that all-time anathema and ugliness Communism. In fact, some journalists , commentators, and similar types have begun to use the two words interchangeably. It goes without saying that said commentators, etc., and the great masses of Americans who shudder visibly at the mention of those words cannot know what they mean. And it is certainly not my function, here, to rectify that situation completely. But I do think that unless the great majority of people in this country begin to understand just exactly what Nationalism is (or at least that variety of Nationalism which is most in evidence among the smaller, so-called uncommitted countries of the world) they will pass from the scene like the boxer who "never knew what hit him." The concept of "acting in one's own best interests" is certainly not unknown to America or the rest of the so-called Free World (which I am told includes Portugal, South Africa, and parts of Mississippi). In fact, I would say it is just this concept which has allowed the Western peoples to remain for so long the richest and best-fed in the world. No matter what people or countries had ultimately to suffer while they were pursuing these "best interests", the pragmatic efficiency of England, France, or the United States in accomplishing such ends is almost legendary. Weird historical "music," in the so-called Opium Wars in China (Britain), the "defense" of the Suez Canal (Britain/France), the Spanish-American and Castro-American Wars (United States)-some examples, both recent and long past, of this "best interests" doctrine as applied by the West-leaps immediately to mind. And these kinds of activities can also be included within the definition of Nationalism. So it seems strange at first to see Westerners squirming at the mention of a concept and/or practice they themselves have been most responsible for perfecting. There is a comic analogy in the fact that in con man language "savage" means "sucker." The "rub," of course, is that when another people or country, who have been used or exploited because it served the best interests of a Western power, suddenly become politically and/or physically powerful enough to begin talking about their own best interests, which of course are usually in direct opposition to the wishes of their exploiters, it is then that Nationalism becomes a dirty word-one to be stricken from as many minds as possible, by whatever methods. (To my mind , it is absurd to think for a moment that the people who killed Patrice Lumumba thought he was a Communist. They understood exactly what he was.) And it seems a simple enough conclusion to me that most of the so-called "hotspots" in the world are caused by this same conflict of "nationalism," even in our own South. (An historical aside: The Civil War in the United States was of course the victory of the industrial interests in the country over the agricultural-a kind of nationalism. For these same reasons, any white racist in the South today who suddenly, for whatever hypocritical reasons, became strong enough to convince some large part of the white South that secession was the only way to solve the South's problems would be disposed of by the tobacco people, etc., in short order. More "Nationalism." The conflict of interests. What I am driving at is the fact that to me the Africans, Asians, and Latin Americans who are news today because of their nationalism, i.e., the militant espousal of the doctrine of serving one's own people's interests before those of a foreign country, e.g., the United States, are exactly the examples the black man in this country should use in his struggle for independence. (And tht is what the struggle remains, for independence-from the political, economic, social, spiritual, and psychological domination of the white man. Put more simply, the struggle moves to make certain that no man has the right to dictate the life of another man. The struggle is not simply for "equality," or "better jobs," or "better schools," and the rest of those half-hearted liberal cliches; it is to completely free the black man from the domination of the white man. Nothing else. The man who asks the question "Would You Let Your Daughter Marry One?" must realize that that question is generally outmoded. The question now for those same people becomes "What Would I do If One Turned My Daughter Down?" It is the freedom to make the choice that is my insistence, and the insistence, I hope, of most black Americans.) And it is the new nationalists everywhere who are pointing out dramatically the road our own struggle must take. In America, black is a country. The Cubans are attacked by this country because they refuse to let themselves be used solely to further in Industrial interests of this country. Communism is not the issue. Lumumba was killed because he resisted the designs of the new-colonialists to continue to make money from the labors of the African. Communism, again, was not the issue. The black man has been separated and made to live in his own country of color. If you are black the only roads into the mainland of American life are through subservience, cowardice, and the loss of manhood. Those are the white man's roads. It is time we built our own. America is as much a black country as a white one. The lives and destinies of the white American are bound up inextricably with those of the black American, even though the latter has been forced for hundred of years to inhabit the lonely country of black. It is time we impressed the white man with the nature of his ills, as well as the nature of our own. The Negro's struggle in America is only a microcosm of the struggle of the new countries all over the world. The idea of "passive" resistance is not the answer. It is an Indian "rope trick" that cannot be applied in this scientific country. No one believes in magic anymore. The Christian church cannot help us. The new nationalists all over the world have learned to be suspicious of "Christianity." Christ and the Dollar Sign have gotten mixed up in their minds, and they know that the latter is the enemy. It is time black Americans got those two confused as well. The idea of the "all black society" within the superstructure of an all white society is useless as well (even if it were possible). We are Americans, which is our strength as well as our desperation. The struggle is for independence, not separation-or assimilation for that matter. Do what you want to with your lifewhen you can. I want to be independent of black men just as much as I want independence from the white. It is just that achieving the latter involves all black men, or at least those who have not already taken those available roads into the mainstream I mentioned earlier-subservience, cowardice and loss of manhood. This struggle has first got to aim itself at those black men who have already taken those three roads to "success." The "rubber stamps" of our exploitation. Usually, as we know, thees rubber stamps are set up as our "leaders." Official Negroes they are called. Good. Let them be official. It only means that they are as sick and useless as everything else in this country that has, of recent years, been unofficial. When we speak of the ugliness of American foreign policy, we cannot separate our disgust with that from the knowledge that these official Negroes, as such, must be the repositories of those same policies. The best interests of the black man in America cannot be furthered by these puppets and messengers. It is not in the best interests of the black man if another black man gets up in the United Nations and apologizes to that august body for the conduct of "his people." It is not in the best interests of the black American if another black American suggests to the world that the only way in which his people are going to achieve their independence is to get walked on in public places or blown out of buses. And it is strictly up to those black people who realize these things to come out and say them. And we must act now, in what I see as an extreme "nationalism," i.e., in the best interests of our country, the name of which the rest of America has pounded into our heads for four hundred years, Black.
FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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a couple remarks on yr post...
1.
"I do not think that Curtis's statement to the Home
News was a big deal." -keith joseph
can you be more specific in yr position? rather than to just say "not
a big deal" & move on...
does this mean you agree with curtis' statements?
does this mean that, objectively, the statement "we're not here to
break the political machine, we're just here to do better," and the
futher offers to "co-operate with the health-care companies to solve
problems in nb...," when put forward by an official representative,
spokesperson, & candidate of the peoples' campaign, are not in
contradiction to the campaign program, & the needs of the people?
that, objectively, they no "big deal"?
or that you disagree with them, but weigh them against other
considerations you think worth merit, which you feel makes them a
"littler deal"?
2.
"I do think that it was a mistake to expel Bloc on Lock from the
campaign. I think that we behaved towards them in the same fashion
that they behaved towards Curtis. Their attacks on Curtis should have
been criticized without breaking the unity." -kj
when you say pc's "mistake" to expel us "behaved the same to us as we
behaved toward curtis," & then that our "behavior" "should have been
criticized w/o breaking unity," can you identify where our "behavior"
ever suggested expulsion of anyone in the campaign during the
election?
do you mean that our undeniable, open, public campaign support/
endorsement of curtis, even after expulsion, is in the "same fashion"
as the pc's complete restriction & censorship of our involvement? as
tearing down & covering our flyers? as alleging (from yr e-address!)
that we were being "paid(!?!)" by cahill? that we extended open
invitation to all our activities, & to share our resources (bulk rate
stamps, etc.) and the steering committee withheld even walking lists?
do you mean that our defense of the pc program, "seize power", is in
the "same fashion" as the steering committee's endorsement of "not
breaking the political machine..."?
in method, we brought our position 1st to a member of the steering
committee (yourself) for discussion. you sd the matter would be
addressed. we heard nothing back (as we had also not heard back of
our criticism of fbright the week earlier). we then presented our
position for the consideration of the steering committee as a whole,
at its next meeting. this was our "behavior", which was within
organizational unity, & appropriate toward unified organizational
resolution.
our expulsion came from "executive order" w/o any public discussion,
with no hearing of any sort. further, individuals who had no role
whatever in the development of our position on curtis were expelled
for mere "association" with us. over answering machine messages, and
from sub-committee (women's caucus) meetings. requests for written
explanation are still ignored by the steering committee.
that the executive "purge" everturned the democratic peoples' election
of joe smith to run the elected school board campaign, & to sit on
both the tactical & steering committees, effectively recognizing his
position as parallel that of the candidates themselves.
that the pc's "elected board committee" turned in not a single
petition signature toward placing the question on the ballot. while
we petitioned for curtis' ballot spot, even after expulsion.
that the "purge" resulted in the effective abolishment of the outreach
committee, which was the backbone of the campaign, and its best hope
for victory.
do you mean that our open, honest opinions (whatever yr disagreements)
are the "same behavior" as historic njfo/steering committee
subterfuge?
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
>
> Perhaps I have not been as clear as I could be. As you know I stated
> after
> the elections in November That we made mistakes. I certainly do not
> exclude
> myself from those mistakes. I was a member of the streering committe
and
> the
> People's Campaign's candidate.
> I do think that it was a mistake to expel Bloc on Lock from the
> campaign. I
> think that we behaved towards them in the same fashion that they
behaved
>
> towards Curtis. Their attacks on Curtis should have been criticized
> without
> breaking the unity.
> I do not think that Curtis's statement to the Home News was a big
deal.
> I
> think that it could have been raised to him that we are fighting the
> city
> machine and that we need to break it, I think that we could have
> discussed
> the position of the campaign towards J&J and used his remarks to the
> press
> to bring more clarity to that issue instead of just attacking Curtis
for
> his
> statemnets. I think that expelling Block on lock was a short term
> expedient
> answer that dodged struggle rather than facing it head on.
> In terms of the recent discussion I was spreaking of expulsions
in
> refernce to the decesion to remove bloc on lock from the campaign
list
> serve. I was at the meeting with you and I clearly remember And I
hope
> it is
> on video for posterity that the discussion to create an new list was
> motivated by one desire and only one desire: to expel block on lock.
I
> am
> very confused about it being spun in any other way.
> In terms of a general trend towads expulsions rather than
struggle
> for
> unity, I am speaking about the history of the movemnt in New
Brusnwick,
> which has been quick to expel and quick to dismiss people who have
> decide to
> make a contribution in some other fashion or in some other city as
if
> New
> Brunswick were the one and only city in which revolutuionary
struggle is
>
> taking place. (Although, at the same time I don't see anything
> revolutionary
> about being a dentist or herbalist or Ben & Jerry)
> Cliff was expeled from NJFO because of his political line which,
> while
> it had an ultra-left tendency, also led the struggle against the
> formulation
> of "Maoism" and "the boycott the '96 election, both are worse line"
of
> Arthur Henson (which was eagerly taken up by everyone else in that
> organization). The given reasons for Cliff's expulsion was (as X
> admitted at
> the last NJFO meeting) just a pretext.
>
> The tendency to split or expel origniated with Arthur Henson who
upon
> being
> criticized unceremoniously split from U&S. ( as AB put it ran home
and
> took
> his ball with him). X did the same thing when Baraka criticized him.
>
> I am not denying that Bloc on Lock make it very difficult to with
them
> since
> any person you organize can may be attcked as an imperialist agent
if
> they
> do not emrge into the movement fully armed with Block on Locks'
> interpretation of Marxism. Nonetheless, I don't think expulsions are
> productive. Lenin and Trotsky were in the same Party and Lenin wrote
an
> article entitled "Judas Trotsky and the Trade Unions". We must
struggle
> for
> unity not splits.
>
> I also think taht it was a mistake to assist Frank Bright's
political
> aspirations. There is no problem with him being an activist in the
> campaign
> but in my opinion he had way to much influence over the political
line
> and
> direction of the campaign. This was my mistake as much as anyone
else's,
> I
> think that it was a right error. It was done with only the short
term in
>
> mind.
>
> As to the debate over an office/"Center of Democarcy" I attached a
copy
> of a
> simialr project that I worked on two years ago. It was a debacle
that I
> have
> no interest in repeating. I have made many mistakes but I try my
best
> not to
> repeat them.
> I don't know if you have seen it before but it might be interesting,
> perhaps
> a similar budget is being drawn up now. I also have the "Break Even
> Anaylsis" if anyone is interested. First time tragedy second time
farce
> as
> they say.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Projected Unity and Struggle Financial Report 1999
>
> Office Rent ..$850.00
> Newspaper printing (2000 issues) .. $500.00
> Website $50.00
> phone$75.00
> staff..$1600.00
> Copy Machine .$50.00
>
>
> Other Projects
>
> Journal (1000 issues)..$400
> Website (one time cost)..$200
> Mailing of 1000..$300
> Publication of Books and Pamphlets
> 1.on Paul Robeson
> 2. on Revolutionary Art
> 3.on the Black Arts Movement
> 4.Selected Political Essays by Amiri Baraka
> Videos (100)..$400
> 1.Self Determination
> 2.Collected Speeches
> 3.On Reparations
> CD's (1000).. $1000.00
> T-shirts (100). ...$350
>
>
>
>
> keith,
>
> though i don't agree with your analysis on the direction of the
campaign
> and
> the majority in njfo (missionary work, etc.) I respect your
position.
> the
> difference in positions will work itself out in practice, as we all
> know. i
> do have a question though:
> were you not in the leadership of the campaign around one year ago
when
> the
> decision was made to expel BoL? did you not agree/advocate that
position
> at
> the time based on their actions against the campaign as a whole?
have
> you
> changed your mind and do you now think that was a bad decision? i am
> increasingly perplexed with you and matt's use of "expulsion" as a
major
>
> trend of the "right-wing" leadership, when both of you were
> involved/agreed
> to those decisions at the time (thus making you both "right wing" as
> well,
> no?). It appears that you are taking things out of context, which is
to
> say
> that BoL didn't get kicked out last week.
>
> Kristina
check yr source, julie. it came from curtis, not me: "we're not here to tear down the political machine. we're just here to do better." & further quoted to work with nb "healthcare companies" to "solve the drug problem & other problems in nb..." these are curtis' statements at the convention, to the hntribune reporter, immediately following his nomination victory as peoples' candidate. he has never retracted them. nor has the peoples' campaign, or any individual in the peoples' campaign criticized them. now produce our "slanderous accusations"... >From: Julie Poulos <juliepoulos@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face... >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:23:12 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > > julie- > > > > produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis. > >--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > > him [Curtis] co-operating with the j&j & their political > > machine > > >You just did, Cliff. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From the Reevaluation Counseling website: Copyright � 1995-2001 The International Re-evaluation Counseling Communities. All rights reserved. The Re-evaluation Counseling Communities 719 Second Avenue North Seattle, Washington 98109 USA Email: Home Page: Voice: Fax: ircc@... http://www.rc.org/ +1-206-284-0311 +1-206-284-8429 Propositions About Human Liberation All presently existing human beings are very closely related. All are members, not only of the same species, Homo Sapiens, but of the same sub-species, Homo Sapiens Sapiens, an even closer relationship. The most important physical variations that do exist among humans, e.g., blood types, body structures, and brain sizes, all vary more widely within each ethnic or skin-color group usually described as a race than they do between such groups. Each human being whose forebrain has not been grossly damaged begins life with a far greater capacity to be intelligent than the best functioning adult has ever been able to demonstrate. The differences which do exist in the behaviors and functioning of groups of humans are cultural, are learned and acquired characteristics. Any human being, given the opportunity, can acquire and master the same culture and skills which any other human being has been able to do. There is no human culture which is superior or inferior to any other human culture in any overall human sense, though there may be, and are, particular outstanding richnesses in any culture. Some cultures have developed farther technically in the mastery of the environment than others, enabling them to be misused to oppress members of other cultures as well as their own people. This does not imply any human superiority of such a culture. All societies which we and our ancestors have experienced and participated in to date have been oppressive societies, in which the results of the work of most of the people was taken from them by the ruling people by a kind of legal robbery. All such societies to date have operated primarily to organize this exploitation of the majority of the people by a ruling minority. These class societies evolved as tools to master the environment more effectively (using existing distress patterns i --in particular, greed), and functioned to that end through allowing some members of the society time and leisure to think, to accumulate knowledge and to plan the activities of the society. The principal forms of class societies which have existed to date are, in order of their evolution, slave societies, feudal societies, and capitalist societies. Slave and feudal societies were able to be openly oppressive, using naked force openly against the slaves and less openly against the serfs. Since wage-workers are more independent and better informed, capitalist societies have had to be more subtle in concealing and enforcing the exploitation and oppression. One of the principal means used by classist societies to maintain their oppression and exploitation of people has been to secure the cooperation of different groups of people in oppressing each other. This has been done by installing and maintaining attitudes of racism, anti-Semitism, prejudice, discrimination, sexism, oppression of young people, oppression of the disabled, etc., among the different sections of the oppressed population. In this period, racism is the oppression that most widely interferes with human progress. Racism has destroyed many millions of people, it has forced countless others to exist in desperate and miserable conditions, and, for those that have escaped the harshest effects, it has significantly diminished their lives. Racism confuses and complicates efforts to overcome other oppressions: sexism, economic discrimination, religious intolerance, etc. Because of this, the elimination of racism is the key struggle in this period. Ending racism will release enormous initiative for progress. The basic mechanism for keeping any person in an oppressed condition is the installation upon the person of a distress pattern or distress recording ii by hurting him or her in an oppressive and invalidating way. This leads to one or both of two results when the distress pattern is, later, restimulated iii. The first result is to be forced again into the role the person filled in the original hurt experience. In this case the person is pushed to "accept" or "agree" to be oppressed, to accept the invalidating feelings, to be defeated in his or her attempt to remain human. The slave "agrees" to be a slave, the serf picks up his hoe and bows his head, the wage-worker feels inferior and "lucky to have a job." The second result occurs when, in an attempt to escape the role and behavior described in the first result above, the victim of the restimulation seeks relief by "occupying" a different role in the restimulated distress recording, the role of the oppressor. In this case a white victim may turn the abuse and invalidation originally turned on him or her upon a black or other non-white person (the basis of racism) or a male victim may turn it on a woman (the basis of sexism), etc. An oppressive society actively reinforces both of the results described above with false "theories," propaganda, discriminatory treatment of all kinds, religious pronouncements, secret societies, etc. In this way each group�s attempts to resist oppression are discouraged and its confidence sapped, and each group is mobilized to cooperate in the invalidation and defeat of every other group. When any oppressed group begins to awarely organize to achieve its liberation, the members of the group will feel reactively attracted towards blaming and attacking the other oppressed groups who have also been mistreated and as a result have exchanged oppressive attitudes with their group, fighting with them as if they were the source of oppression and leaving the real (and more threatening) oppressor forces unchallenged. (Thus in the United States, African-heritage and Latin-American high school students will be pulled into gang wars against each other, etc.) Needless to say, this tendency will be encouraged by the real oppressor groups and the society in every possible way. To attain complete liberation two processes are both necessary: one: effective, organized social action and struggle, two: discharge iv and re-evaluation v to free each individual from his or her individual distress patterns. The two processes are complementary and each enhances the other. To fight intelligently against social oppression is to contradict one's individual distress patterns and expedite discharge and re-evaluation provided one pursues one's Co-Counseling vi systematically. To emerge from one's individual painful emotion enhances one's effectiveness in social struggle and helps avoid mistaken strategy and tactics based on feelings, provided that one really engages in activity and doesn't just settle for talking about it. To be successful, any oppressed group seeking liberation must move in two directions: one: It must consistently strive for unity within its own group around a clear-cut program of goals and actions; two: It must consistently seek unity and mutual support with every other oppressed group, no matter how difficult this task may seem at first. Every group of oppressed people can be reached to participate in the struggle for liberation if we make a thoughtful enough approach. The first job in uniting people for liberation is to counter the fears, suspicions, antagonisms and resentments that have been installed between us. This means taking a sharp, clear (and patient) stand against racist, sexist, condescending, and invalidating statements and language of all kinds. In reaching for unity we all begin in a state of being "afraid of" each other. We have been conditioned to fear or be suspicious of anyone who is "different." We can learn to love and trust each other but we must begin with an attitude of respect, of complete respect for every human being in the world. The love and trust can come (and will come) later. Every group of people is important to the unity of the liberation forces. Even individuals from the oppressing classes are important and must be made welcome if they really "throw in their lot with the people." Liberation of any group will only be complete when all oppressed groups are liberated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i A distress pattern is a rigid set of "thoughts," behaviors, and feelings that is left by an undischarged hurtful experience (or experiences). ii A distress recording is all the information (sights, smells, voice, tones, gestures, posture, feelings, etc.) that gets bound together in an unusable conglomerate during a distress experience and then is played over and over (like a recording) in an inappropriate response to a new situation. iii Restimulation is the triggering of the recording of a hurtful experience by a perceived similarity (sometimes insignificant or remote) in the current situation. iv Discharge is a process of the human mind which converts confusion from a distress incident into clear thinking. The outward signs of this process are several physical processes, among which are non-repetitive interested talking, crying or shedding tears, shaking or shivering, laughter, and yawning. v Re-evaluation is the process, which occurs spontaneously after discharge, through which the information previously frozen in distress recordings is understood and turned into usable information. vi Co-Counseling is another name for Re-evaluation Counseling, a well-defined practice of listening, taking turns listening, and allowing and assisting "discharge," which has the effect upon participants of assisting them to think clearly where they had previously been confused. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
the biggest and most violent contradiction in society today is that between the people and imperialism. nbpc must put out an anti-imperialist position, which would force the hand of those whose agenda it is to serve imperialism and attack the majority of people in the world. such as how NBbush freaked out when at the convention i upheld marx and anti-imperialism. NBbush then nominated anti-reparations lucaeno to chair a campaign he has no history/connection to. NBbush & anti-reparations luceano lost the vote, but their victory was soon achieved when criticism of the untouchable, who worships a skunk, came out. the people v. imperialism must be understood and applied in all organizations that claim to represent the community. i question the fact that zofia sits in a position of leadership, in a campaign that claims to organize for community control, while she puts forward such crap positions of reality. nbpc must be led by anti-imperialists and the work must present that. Republicans, more than any other group, represent imperialism against the people, and NBbush must go down! Dump DiFrancesco! Build the Peoples' strategic allaince with democrat mcgreasy while organizing & promoting - Build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party! joe >From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Human Liberation >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:13:34 -0700 (PDT) > >From the Reevaluation Counseling website: > >Copyright � 1995-2001 The International Re-evaluation >Counseling Communities. >All rights reserved. The Re-evaluation Counseling >Communities >719 Second Avenue North >Seattle, Washington 98109 >USA Email: >Home Page: >Voice: >Fax: ircc@... >http://www.rc.org/ >+1-206-284-0311 >+1-206-284-8429 > > >Propositions About Human Liberation > >All presently existing human beings are very closely >related. All are members, not only of the same >species, Homo Sapiens, but of the same sub-species, >Homo Sapiens Sapiens, an even closer relationship. > >The most important physical variations that do exist >among humans, e.g., blood types, body structures, and >brain sizes, all vary more widely within each ethnic >or skin-color group usually described as a race than >they do between such groups. > >Each human being whose forebrain has not been grossly >damaged begins life with a far greater capacity to be >intelligent than the best functioning adult has ever >been able to demonstrate. > >The differences which do exist in the behaviors and >functioning of groups of humans are cultural, are >learned and acquired characteristics. Any human being, >given the opportunity, can acquire and master the same >culture and skills which any other human being has >been able to do. > >There is no human culture which is superior or >inferior to any other human culture in any overall >human sense, though there may be, and are, particular >outstanding richnesses in any culture. Some cultures >have developed farther technically in the mastery of >the environment than others, enabling them to be >misused to oppress members of other cultures as well >as their own people. This does not imply any human >superiority of such a culture. > >All societies which we and our ancestors have >experienced and participated in to date have been >oppressive societies, in which the results of the work >of most of the people was taken from them by the >ruling people by a kind of legal robbery. All such >societies to date have operated primarily to organize >this exploitation of the majority of the people by a >ruling minority. > >These class societies evolved as tools to master the >environment more effectively (using existing distress >patterns i --in particular, greed), and functioned to >that end through allowing some members of the society >time and leisure to think, to accumulate knowledge and >to plan the activities of the society. The principal >forms of class societies which have existed to date >are, in order of their evolution, slave societies, >feudal societies, and capitalist societies. > >Slave and feudal societies were able to be openly >oppressive, using naked force openly against the >slaves and less openly against the serfs. Since >wage-workers are more independent and better informed, >capitalist societies have had to be more subtle in >concealing and enforcing the exploitation and >oppression. > >One of the principal means used by classist societies >to maintain their oppression and exploitation of >people has been to secure the cooperation of different >groups of people in oppressing each other. This has >been done by installing and maintaining attitudes of >racism, anti-Semitism, prejudice, discrimination, >sexism, oppression of young people, oppression of the >disabled, etc., among the different sections of the >oppressed population. > >In this period, racism is the oppression that most >widely interferes with human progress. Racism has >destroyed many millions of people, it has forced >countless others to exist in desperate and miserable >conditions, and, for those that have escaped the >harshest effects, it has significantly diminished >their lives. > >Racism confuses and complicates efforts to overcome >other oppressions: sexism, economic discrimination, >religious intolerance, etc. Because of this, the >elimination of racism is the key struggle in this >period. Ending racism will release enormous initiative >for progress. > >The basic mechanism for keeping any person in an >oppressed condition is the installation upon the >person of a distress pattern or distress recording ii >by hurting him or her in an oppressive and >invalidating way. This leads to one or both of two >results when the distress pattern is, later, >restimulated iii. > >The first result is to be forced again into the role >the person filled in the original hurt experience. In >this case the person is pushed to "accept" or "agree" >to be oppressed, to accept the invalidating feelings, >to be defeated in his or her attempt to remain human. >The slave "agrees" to be a slave, the serf picks up >his hoe and bows his head, the wage-worker feels >inferior and "lucky to have a job." > >The second result occurs when, in an attempt to escape >the role and behavior described in the first result >above, the victim of the restimulation seeks relief by >"occupying" a different role in the restimulated >distress recording, the role of the oppressor. In this >case a white victim may turn the abuse and >invalidation originally turned on him or her upon a >black or other non-white person (the basis of racism) >or a male victim may turn it on a woman (the basis of >sexism), etc. > >An oppressive society actively reinforces both of the >results described above with false "theories," >propaganda, discriminatory treatment of all kinds, >religious pronouncements, secret societies, etc. In >this way each group�s attempts to resist oppression >are discouraged and its confidence sapped, and each >group is mobilized to cooperate in the invalidation >and defeat of every other group. > >When any oppressed group begins to awarely organize to >achieve its liberation, the members of the group will >feel reactively attracted towards blaming and >attacking the other oppressed groups who have also >been mistreated and as a result have exchanged >oppressive attitudes with their group, fighting with >them as if they were the source of oppression and >leaving the real (and more threatening) oppressor >forces unchallenged. (Thus in the United States, >African-heritage and Latin-American high school >students will be pulled into gang wars against each >other, etc.) Needless to say, this tendency will be >encouraged by the real oppressor groups and the >society in every possible way. > >To attain complete liberation two processes are both >necessary: one: effective, organized social action and >struggle, two: discharge iv and re-evaluation v to >free each individual from his or her individual >distress patterns. > >The two processes are complementary and each enhances >the other. To fight intelligently against social >oppression is to contradict one's individual distress >patterns and expedite discharge and re-evaluation >provided one pursues one's Co-Counseling vi >systematically. > >To emerge from one's individual painful emotion >enhances one's effectiveness in social struggle and >helps avoid mistaken strategy and tactics based on >feelings, provided that one really engages in activity >and doesn't just settle for talking about it. > >To be successful, any oppressed group seeking >liberation must move in two directions: one: It must >consistently strive for unity within its own group >around a clear-cut program of goals and actions; two: >It must consistently seek unity and mutual support >with every other oppressed group, no matter how >difficult this task may seem at first. > >Every group of oppressed people can be reached to >participate in the struggle for liberation if we make >a thoughtful enough approach. > >The first job in uniting people for liberation is to >counter the fears, suspicions, antagonisms and >resentments that have been installed between us. This >means taking a sharp, clear (and patient) stand >against racist, sexist, condescending, and >invalidating statements and language of all kinds. > >In reaching for unity we all begin in a state of being >"afraid of" each other. We have been conditioned to >fear or be suspicious of anyone who is "different." We >can learn to love and trust each other but we must >begin with an attitude of respect, of complete respect >for every human being in the world. The love and trust >can come (and will come) later. > >Every group of people is important to the unity of the >liberation forces. Even individuals from the >oppressing classes are important and must be made >welcome if they really "throw in their lot with the >people." > >Liberation of any group will only be complete when all >oppressed groups are liberated. > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >i A distress pattern is a rigid set of "thoughts," >behaviors, and feelings that is left by an >undischarged hurtful experience (or experiences). > > >ii A distress recording is all the information >(sights, smells, voice, tones, gestures, posture, >feelings, etc.) that gets bound together in an >unusable conglomerate during a distress experience and >then is played over and over (like a recording) in an >inappropriate response to a new situation. > > >iii Restimulation is the triggering of the recording >of a hurtful experience by a perceived similarity >(sometimes insignificant or remote) in the current >situation. > > >iv Discharge is a process of the human mind which >converts confusion from a distress incident into clear >thinking. The outward signs of this process are >several physical processes, among which are >non-repetitive interested talking, crying or shedding >tears, shaking or shivering, laughter, and yawning. > > >v Re-evaluation is the process, which occurs >spontaneously after discharge, through which the >information previously frozen in distress recordings >is understood and turned into usable information. > > >vi Co-Counseling is another name for Re-evaluation >Counseling, a well-defined practice of listening, >taking turns listening, and allowing and assisting >"discharge," which has the effect upon participants of >assisting them to think clearly where they had >previously been confused. > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
the call is to demand that the targum not use any ink to print white supremacist propoganda. this is not an OPINION that differs from mine, like a fight about the yankees lead-off man, but rather an opinion that puts people into graves. maybe some cannot tell the difference, i reach out to the more progressive forces inside nbpc. joe >From: "Mathew Levi" <ml@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] meet to protest targum >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:04:06 -0400 > >OH MY GOD!! > >An opinion that differs from yours!!! > >This is an emergency. IMMEDIATELY DEMAND that the whole world shit its >pants and prevent the offending opinion from being heard. Let's form an >army and march down to Targum headquarters. On our way back, we shall have >the heads of all Targum staff members on sticks and parade them around in >New Brunswick as the masses cheer us on. > >With Joe and Cliff Smith leading. Just imagine it -- democracy in action! > > > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers! > > > > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist >david > > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for >black-and > > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an > > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white >supremacist > > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence > > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy >can > > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically > > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum >to > > fall to such standards. > > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center. > > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@... for ride or agenda > > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily >targum > > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section. > > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an > > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper >for > > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the >student > > body. also e-mail news@... - let us flood them with our >outcry. > > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 >and > > suggest that others do the same. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
"What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
>slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery
>was abolished".
"And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes
>its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to
>a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
>better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
>totalitarianism." --jim luceno
keith, care to ally yrself with this?
call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, and all
oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.
"On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I
made this argument on the street outside my house" j-low
^^^this is a lie.^^^
>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
>
>Joe --
>
>I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can
>tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
>
>What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
>slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery
>was abolished.
>
>What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is racism
>and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. That's
>absurd. They're impoverished because of racism.
>
>What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money
>at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people care
>about is getting cash for slavery?
>
>You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
>determination. What are the boundaries that form the black nation?
>What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
>connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? You're
>going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? What
>does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
>
>Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a phenomenon
>from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One-sidedeness is
>exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is.
>
>Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the
>*totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does not mean
>having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage.
>And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes
>its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to
>a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
>better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
>totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, you're
>not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs me up.
>It abandons you.
>
>There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL
>conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other list you
>were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
>argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you do...
>
>Jim
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you
>think
> > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of
> > segregation should be repaid for education?
> >
> > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can
>agree
> > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being
> > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements
>that you
> > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
>underrstand what
> > you think.
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> > >
> > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and
> > >Repartaions and Jim
> > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully
>moving
> > >forward, and
> > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to.
>For
> > >insatnce when he
> > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern
>classes"
> > >taking
> > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of
> > >Afro-Americans to the US
> > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic
>anti-feudal
> > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an
> > >ultra-left error and
> > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against
>reparations
> > >that's why
> > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To
>say that
> > >Jim's
> > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him
>a Klans
> > >man) is
> > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather
>than
> > >organize them.
> > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer
>togther
> > >towards
> > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
>disunity.
> > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had
>a line
> > >analgous to
> > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you
>expect Jim
> > >to do
> > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him
>or
> > >change his mind
> > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the
>attack
> > >on Curtis is
> > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an
>enemy
> > >where there
> > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left line
>and its
> > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force
>towards
> > >uniting
> > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a
>long way in
> > > defeating
> > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates
>NJFO and
> > >the People's
> > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people
>like Jim and
> > >Curtis (to
> > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be
>organized
> > >and we will
> > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good
>vehicle to
> > >bring
> > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse
>to force
> > >people to
> > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
>imperialsim.
> > >
> > >cliff smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction
>of
> > >national
> > > > "soveriegnty"?
> > > >
> > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your
>right to
> > >it?
> > > >
> > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only
> > >economically,
> > > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > > >
> > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national
> > >governments.
> > > > else why eliminate allende?
> > > >
> > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
>oppression of
> > >Black
> > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos
>are not
> > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > > >
> > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo
>obliterated
> > >for
> > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by
>poor
> > >whites?
> > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs?
>the
> > >vast,
> > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation)
>south?
> > > >
> > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-
>America,
> > >but
> > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its
>economic,
> > >political,
> > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny
>goodman to
> > >jazz,
> > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$
>from
> > >these
> > > > Black national markets? sony?
> > > >
> > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with
>dubois "black
> > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some
>charles
> > >mingus.
> > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > > > >determination &
> > > > > > the theft of national resources. your
>celebrated "modernism" is
> > > > >the
> > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > > >
> > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value
>from one
> > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national
> > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > > >
> > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the
>U.S. and
> > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if
>you like,
> > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and
>industrialization has
> > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > > >
> > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing
>national
> > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power.
>I'll agree
> > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class
>question,
> > > > >not a race question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however
>democracy
> > > > >means those
> > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the
>US urban
> > > > >centers,
> > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have
>the
> > > > >right to
> > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which
>they are
> > > > >the
> > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which
>they
> > > > >have never
> > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black
>peoples
> > > > >in US.
> > > > >
> > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the
>grassroots
> > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of
>*race*? Why?
> > > > >
> > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify
>themselves
> > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's
>word)
> > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to
>form
> > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
>Should they
> > > > >be allowed to?
> > > > >
> > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local
>government
> > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have
>you)
> > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what
>you will
> > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than
>what the
> > > > >state governments would have done.
> > > > >
> > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class
>along
> > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are
>unique
> > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot
>understand,
> > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage
>is what
> > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts
>before
> > > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > > >
> > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's
>be real.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st
>& demand
> > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship,
>which is the
> > > > >heart of
> > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > > > >problems".
> > > > >
> > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a
>community
> > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or
>better
> > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self-
> > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an
>international
> > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class
> > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then
>we can
> > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need
>something
> > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > > > >proletariat.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by
>fascist
> > > > >terror. the
> > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > > > >scheme. where
> > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > > >
> > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the
>return of
> > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the
>southern
> > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > > >
> > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced
>Reconstruction
> > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S.
>army, that
> > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
>determination.
> > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could
>have
> > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal
>force?
> > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away
>because it
> > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > > >
> > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is
>drawn
> > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the
>harvest.
> > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress
> > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of
>human-kind
> > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real
>political
> > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget
>about
> > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class
>about
> > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the
>idea
> > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the
>idea we
> > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the
> > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part
>of
> > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
>Because you
> > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
>redevelopment
> > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves
>in the
> > > > >suburbs.
> > > > >
> > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of
>the
> > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by
>balkanizing
> > > > >the United States?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation:
>common
> > > > >geographic
> > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward
>first by
> > > > >Joe
> > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > > >
> > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how
>Joe
> > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for
>Lenin, and
> > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites
>after the
> > > > >war.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
>patriarchy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
>capital!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
>Sandford St.
> > > > >down
> > > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
>determination. I'm
> > > > > > >not following.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down
>with radical
> > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do
>you get
> > > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > > > >reparations
> > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic
>rights and
> > > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
>VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I
>am not
> > > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I
>have not
> > > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only
>arguments I
> > > > >can
> > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments
>against it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a
>statement
> > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the
>debate came
> > > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I
>cannot
> > > > >condone
> > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
>the "black
> > > > > > >nation." I
> > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > > > >determination
> > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate
>over the
> > > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's
>Campaign or
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we
>have
> > > > >never had
> > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think
>it
> > > > >belongs
> > > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are
>against
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black
>Nation!??
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
>VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > > > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New
>Brunswick,
> > > > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
>VERNIERO'S
> > > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick
>People's
> > > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents
>and
> > > > >their
> > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
>statement today:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC)
>warmly
> > > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New
>Jersey
> > > > >State
> > > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court
>Justice
> > > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial
>profiling and
> > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of
>color,
> > > > >commits
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by
>swift and
> > > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their
>superiors who
> > > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be
>consistent
> > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate
>Judiciary
> > > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
>satisfaction, that
> > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling
>in the
> > > > >state
> > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this
>hateful
> > > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further
>calls
> > > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution
>calling for
> > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan
>group of
> > > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last,
>been
> > > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
>Committee's
> > > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more
>acute
> > > > >than
> > > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and
>believes
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > > > >civilian
> > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the
>hate
> > > > >crimes
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of
>color.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > > > >already
> > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all
>legislators, if
> > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> > > > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >-30-
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda, freely > spread through the student funded newspaper of the state university, should > be protested out of existence? Okay: let's at least establish that there's such a thing as REAL white supremacist propaganda, the sort of thing you find being put out by "white nationalists". David Horowitz is not _literally_ a neofacist, neonazi, or shrill, overt racist of that sort. If his positions are _structurally_ racist ... you can make that argument, easily. But that's a different kind of racism. It's like the difference between killing someone and letting them die, to use a rough analogy. I don't know about you, but I'd rather make it possible to distinguish between David Horowitz and, say, that Barrett guy or the Ku Klux Klan. There's enough of those people that they deserve their own special designation. And, in any case, if you seek to protest the _publication_ of opinions you don't like too forcefully, you'll be working to create a climate where nobody can feel safe in voicing opinions that differ from the mainstream. The risk would come to seem to great, for progressives and reactionaries alike! Is that really the sort of environment you want? Since when has censorship even helped the Left? Never. Whenever the Left wants censorship of something, authorities end up using that power _against_ the Left. Bye, Jeremy
DO YOU HAVE COURAGE TO LEAD AND WIN? FRANK BRIGHT IS COMMITTED TO LOWERING PROPERTY TAXES AND IMPROVING PUBLIC EDUCATION. ANYONE CAN TALK THE TALK BUT CAN YOU WALK THE WALK? TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
JOE DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH PRISON REFORM? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH POLICE BRUTALITY? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AIDS EDUCATION? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WAR ON DRUGS? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH EDUCATION? NO BECAUSE YOU OFFER PEOPLE PART- TIME SOLUTION TO FULL-TIME PROBLEM JUST AS MR. JONES AND CAHILL YOUR FRIENDS NOT MINE. I AM WORKING TOWARD REAL RESULTS BECAUSE I LIVE IN REAL WORLD. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
anything specific about the work i've done tracy. why is it that you invited me to speak to your congregation? who helped you move those close for the poor? who gave you copies of lenin's writings to study? who invited you and your children to picnic in the summer? you jump on me because it suits your purposes to jump on me. nbpc, stop the splits. dump republicans, embrace the people! joe >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] The Masses Liberation >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:31:54 -0400 (EDT) > >JOE DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH PRISON REFORM? DID YOU SOLVE THE >PROBLEMS WITH POLICE BRUTALITY? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AIDS >EDUCATION? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? DID YOU >SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WAR ON DRUGS? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS >WITH EDUCATION? > >NO BECAUSE YOU OFFER PEOPLE PART- TIME SOLUTION TO FULL-TIME PROBLEM >JUST AS MR. JONES AND CAHILL YOUR FRIENDS NOT MINE. > >I AM WORKING TOWARD REAL RESULTS BECAUSE I LIVE IN REAL WORLD. > >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Let the voices of the oppressed be heard By: 04/12/01 -------------------------- Yes, reparations for the Black nation and all oppressed nations, as well as working-class Whites! These people are owed not only reparations in the form of money and free education for the oppression they have endured in the past, but they are also owed the democratic right of self-determination to determine their relationship to America � something no nation has ever had the right to do. The history of America is the history of anti-democracy in the forms of the slaughter of the indigenous peoples, the outright enslavement of Africans, the theft of the Chicano�s land and the exploitation of the White working class. Jim Crow, the overturning of the victories of the Civil War, along with the current segregation of America�s school system (New Jersey � home of racist profiling � has the most segregated school system in the nation), are just a couple examples of the anti-democratic, White supremacist positions that point out the fact that America is no democracy. The current �selected� president did not win the vote! He is a counterfeit president for a fake democracy! White supremacy, the argument that other skin colors are inferior, is the position of U.S. Imperialism and is the leading ideological position of all institutions based in this nation. Look no further than Rutgers University�s appointed president Francis Lawrence, who made public his White supremacist agenda when he stated that Black people are genetically inferior to Whites, and that is why they are not entered into Rutgers on an equal basis as Whites. Not because of the deeply segregated, racist public school systems throughout New Jersey, which are second to none in segregation to other states throughout the nation. And not because of a social economic relationship that fights with no mercy to keep Black people poorer and more exploited than Whites. It is engrained in our culture that Black people are a criminal class and that the middle-class suburbs actually need a police state, fascism, to protect them from the inner cities. The fact is that Afro-American communities are in need of reparations to provide free education, free job training with the democratic right to a living wage, free childcare facilities, proper housing facilities with democratic right to affordable housing, let along all moneys owed to the Black nation from slavery to be put into a Black national treasury. Students at Rutgers must demand and support the fight for reparations and self-determination for the Black nation, locally and throughout the United States. The Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling and Police Brutality will be organizing a Speak Out to Defeat Racist Profiling and Police Brutality on May 1 at Brower Commons. This 11:00-1:00 event will demand reparations and self-determinations for the Black nation and all oppressed nations as well as the White working class. Also close attention must be paid to the Coalition for Justice statewide march on Trenton May 16 to defeat racist profiling and police brutality. <i>Margaret Stevens is a member of the James Dickson Carr Society. Ryan Keene is a Newark resident. Joe Smith is a member of the Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling. Tamara Dahan is a member of Sisterhood and Struggle. Karla Furr is a Rutgers University senior. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
State Police will be recruiting this Wednesday from 11:00-2:00 outside the College Ave. Student Center. Protest this and promote Speak Out to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality May 1 @ Brower Commons. All available protestors speak up! The Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality demand that this reqruiting be stopped until immediate democratic reforms into Racist Profiling are openly accepted by the State Police. These reforms range from having the head of the State Police elected by the people, to organizing and implementing democratically elected civilain control boards that will oversee the dept., to revamping the entire training of the NJ State Police. Also, we demand that NJ State Police immediately issue a public admission of guilt to the continued practice of Racist Profiling as well as to the more subvertive activities carried out by vigilanty groups such as "The Lords of Discipline", who operate inside the NJ State Police and whose terror targets women and oppressed nationality Troopers, as well as white whistleblowers. Racist Profiling is the most open vicious attack against people of oppressed nations, women, and the working class. No practice is more successful in striking terror into the lives of the people, just ask those youth that were gunned down by State Troopers on the Turnpike in '98. The practice of Racist Profiling is not just in the State Police, but in every police dept. across the nation. In New Brunswick, police officers are famous for running prostitution houses and for shooting young black men & women in the back: Shaun Potts ~ murdered while he was running from officer Zane Gray in '91 - then, while he was on top of her with her face in the mud, Carolyn Adams was murdered in cold blood by NBPD Racist Profiler James Consalvo, '96. The NJ State Troopers promote Troopers that are the best at Racist Profiling while Troopers that speak out against the practice become the target of unmolested attack from their own ranks and supervisors. Currently there are over 3 dozen lawsuits concerning Racist Profiling from Troopers within the NJ State Police against the NJ State Police. One a month, and continuing, since the turnpike shooting blew the top and Troopers John Hogan & James Kenna became national poster boys for this racist practice that was embraced so much by the two that they led the whole state in such things as Falsifying Documents in order to hide the skin color of the motorists they stopped. All eyes on Hogan & Kenna whose trial is set to begin April 4. May they be found GUILTY on all counts, from attempted murder to over 2 dozen charges of falsifying documents, and die in prison! NJ State Troopers off our campus! Yes to democratic community control over police depts. at all levels(!) - municipal, county, state.
>Subject: Help Save The Court Tavern... > >Attention anyone who has ever played or been to the Court Tavern!!! >My friend has forwarded this petition to me re: the Court, please pass it >on >to everyone who has an interest in our local music scene. >Thanks, JZ > >Hello, the Court Tavern in New Brunswick is being threatened with possibly >being closed down. A redevelopement project could mean that home to >original >music in New Brunswick for over 20 years could be gone, and since the >Melody >closed a month back, there will now be no more music in New Brunswick. >Inside I am enclosing three links to three articles taken from the Home >News >and Tribune, or you can visist www.thnt.com and search up Court Tavern to >find the articles... > >The Court Tavern has a vital history for providing original music as a >haven >for artists and musicians in Central Jersey. > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376424,00.html > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,377308,00.html > >The details of the situation are explained in the articles. I urge all of >you to please attend the City Council meeting on Wed, April 18th 2001, at >City Hall on Bayard st in New Brunswick (next to the Post Office) at 6:45 >and >voice your concerns... > >please attend the meeting and support the last home in New Brunswick for >original music...also please forward this along to as many people as >possible.....thanks > >You will also notice that a form letter is attached... > >Please print out a copy of this letter, fill in the blanks (signature, >date, contact info) at bottom of letter. > >mail to: >City Council of New Brunswick >78 Bayard Street >New Brunswick, NJ 08901 > >or fax it to: >732-745-5009 > >or drop it off at The Court Tavern, on Church st, in New Brunswick. > >I am also going to add the text version of the form letter here.... > > > > > >To: City Council of New Brunswick >Dear City Council: > >I am writing to oppose the amendment to rezone the area of the two parking >lots and the Court Tavern property in downtown New Brunswick. >The proposed zone change serves no public purpose but to facilitate the >construction of additional office space. New Brunswick has many office >buildings: it does not need yet another one. >This amendment would facilitate the possible destruction of the Court >Tavern >building. >The Court Tavern is a 40-year old, family-owned business, which has long >supported an active music scene. Local, national, and international >musical >acts have performed there over the years, and have used the Court to hone >their craft. >We believe that the business and community interests of New Brunswick are >best served by balancing the uses of its commercial areas, and keeping it >is >a viable, living downtown area that serves the local community. >Already, many other similar musical venues and local businesses have closed >or left New BrunswickCrossroads, The Roxy, The Melody, and Budapest Pub, >for examplemaking it even more important to protect and nurture those >musical venues and businesses we still have left. >The Court Taverns location is essential for its survival as a business. We >believe that venues such as the Court Tavern, the State Theatre, George >Street Playhouse, etc. are crucial to the long-term health of the New >Brunswick that its residents know and love. These and other performance >centers have added to the character and vibrancy of downtown New Brunswick, >and have spurred a welcome revitalization of the entire downtown area. >Please help us to preserve this momentum. New Brunswick is a community, not >an office park. >Establishments such as the Court Tavern are indispensable to continuing >musical, cultural and community growth. This crucial point is being >overlooked by the proposed redevelopment. New Brunswick has a history and >reputation, because of venues like the Court Tavern, for being a haven for >artists and musicians. This very important fact has been the subject of >numerous articles published by a variety of media outlets, including the >New >York Times and the Star Ledger. >The impact of this decision reaches beyond the city limits, and beyond the >citys pockets. >I urge you to oppose the amendment, and support our cultural heritage. > >Signed:__________________________________ Contact >info:________________________ >Date:________________ ________________________ > _____________________________ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
sat. nite 9:30, court tavern: long-time, former local, court musician greg digesu & his new band "speedsters & dopers" w/ suran song in stag & instant death. >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >tsinclai@..., traceyx@... >Subject: [nbpc] Help Save The Court Tavern... >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:26:40 > > > > >Subject: Help Save The Court Tavern... > > > >Attention anyone who has ever played or been to the Court Tavern!!! > >My friend has forwarded this petition to me re: the Court, please pass it > >on > >to everyone who has an interest in our local music scene. > >Thanks, JZ > > > >Hello, the Court Tavern in New Brunswick is being threatened with >possibly > >being closed down. A redevelopement project could mean that home to > >original > >music in New Brunswick for over 20 years could be gone, and since the > >Melody > >closed a month back, there will now be no more music in New Brunswick. > >Inside I am enclosing three links to three articles taken from the Home > >News > >and Tribune, or you can visist www.thnt.com and search up Court Tavern to > >find the articles... > > > >The Court Tavern has a vital history for providing original music as a > >haven > >for artists and musicians in Central Jersey. > > > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376424,00.html > > > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html > > > >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,377308,00.html > > > >The details of the situation are explained in the articles. I urge all of > >you to please attend the City Council meeting on Wed, April 18th 2001, at > >City Hall on Bayard st in New Brunswick (next to the Post Office) at 6:45 > >and > >voice your concerns... > > > >please attend the meeting and support the last home in New Brunswick for > >original music...also please forward this along to as many people as > >possible.....thanks > > > >You will also notice that a form letter is attached... > > > >Please print out a copy of this letter, fill in the blanks (signature, > >date, contact info) at bottom of letter. > > > >mail to: > >City Council of New Brunswick > >78 Bayard Street > >New Brunswick, NJ 08901 > > > >or fax it to: > >732-745-5009 > > > >or drop it off at The Court Tavern, on Church st, in New Brunswick. > > > >I am also going to add the text version of the form letter here.... > > > > > > > > > > > >To: City Council of New Brunswick > >Dear City Council: > > > >I am writing to oppose the amendment to rezone the area of the two >parking > >lots and the Court Tavern property in downtown New Brunswick. > >The proposed zone change serves no public purpose but to facilitate the > >construction of additional office space. New Brunswick has many office > >buildings: it does not need yet another one. > >This amendment would facilitate the possible destruction of the Court > >Tavern > >building. > >The Court Tavern is a 40-year old, family-owned business, which has long > >supported an active music scene. Local, national, and international > >musical > >acts have performed there over the years, and have used the Court to hone > >their craft. > >We believe that the business and community interests of New Brunswick are > >best served by balancing the uses of its commercial areas, and keeping it > >is > >a viable, living downtown area that serves the local community. > >Already, many other similar musical venues and local businesses have >closed > >or left New Brunswick�Crossroads, The Roxy, The Melody, and Budapest Pub, > >for example�making it even more important to protect and nurture those > >musical venues and businesses we still have left. > >The Court Tavern1s location is essential for its survival as a business. >We > >believe that venues such as the Court Tavern, the State Theatre, George > >Street Playhouse, etc. are crucial to the long-term health of the New > >Brunswick that its residents know and love. These and other performance > >centers have added to the character and vibrancy of downtown New >Brunswick, > >and have spurred a welcome revitalization of the entire downtown area. > >Please help us to preserve this momentum. New Brunswick is a community, >not > >an office park. > >Establishments such as the Court Tavern are indispensable to continuing > >musical, cultural and community growth. This crucial point is being > >overlooked by the proposed redevelopment. New Brunswick has a history and > >reputation, because of venues like the Court Tavern, for being a haven >for > >artists and musicians. This very important fact has been the subject of > >numerous articles published by a variety of media outlets, including the > >New > >York Times and the Star Ledger. > >The impact of this decision reaches beyond the city limits, and beyond >the > >city1s pockets. > >I urge you to oppose the amendment, and support our cultural heritage. > > > >Signed:__________________________________ Contact > >info:________________________ > >Date:________________ ________________________ > > _____________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Cincinnati continues curfew to prevent
further riots
By JOE MILICIA
The Associated Press
4/13/01 8:25 PM
CINCINNATI (AP) -- The mayor extended the curfew
forcing churches to
cancel or postpone nighttime Good Friday services
after three nights of
rioting over the police killing of an unarmed
black man.
In what was seen as a victory for critics who
demanded changes at the
police department, the city official who oversees
police and fire operations
resigned. Safety Director Kent Ryan, 55, cited
personal and health
reasons. He spent a night in a hospital with chest
pains four days ago.
Mayor Charles Luken said Friday he was extending
the curfew reluctantly
and expected it to continue until at least Easter
Sunday.
"A lot of businesses are suffering," Luken said.
"We'd like to get them
back in business as soon as we can."
Luken had declared a state of emergency Thursday
and imposed the
dusk-to-dawn curfew to halt Cincinnati's worst
racial violence since Martin
Luther King's assassination in 1968.
Police made 153 arrests related to the curfew that
lasted from 8 p.m. to 6
a.m. Fifty-four adults and nine juveniles were
arrested on other charges;
police did not say how many of those arrests were
riot-related.
Timothy Thomas, 19, who was shot while fleeing a
police officer, was to
be buried Saturday after a church service in Over-
the-Rhine, the
neighborhood where most of the rioting occurred
Monday through
Wednesday. Police were preparing for a large
turnout at the funeral.
"That could be a potential problem for us. There's
no doubt," police
spokesman Lt. Ray Ruberg said.
A resident who plans to attend the funeral said he
thinks the violence is
over and that religious leaders will keep Saturday
peaceful.
"I like to think there will be enough leadership
out there to address that,"
said Tyrone Smith, 50.
Helmeted police officers, joined by 120 state
Highway Patrol troopers and
sheriff's deputies, outnumbered residents on the
deserted streets
Thursday night, enabling them to prevent all but a
few incidents.
Police Chief Thomas Streicher also credited
residents with ending the
rioting.
"Last night went well beyond our expectations. We
had a tremendous
amount of voluntary cooperation from the
citizens," he said.
There were sporadic reports of rock and bottle
throwing and gunfire
overnight. The most serious incident was a fire at
a delicatessen that
caused $100,000 damage, Streicher said.
During the curfew, only those who were going to
work or had
emergencies were allowed to travel in the city of
331,000, which is 43
percent black. Convictions for curfew violations
carry up to six months in
jail or a $1,000 fine.
Police did not have a damage estimate from the
rioting.
As federal investigators and county prosecutors
began looking into
Thomas' death, Luken agreed that unspecified
changes are needed in
the police department. Since 1995, 15 people have
died during
confrontations with Cincinnati police -- all black
males.
Police union President Keith Fangman said that in
many of those deaths,
officers were threatened or were returning
gunfire.
"Why are we not explaining that in 10 of these
cases, suspects pointed
guns or fired guns at the officers?" he said.
"When (suspects) are armed
with guns, do people just expect us to be shot?"
In two cases, Fangman said suspects ran down
officers with cars, and in
another confrontation a suspect swung a board with
nails at the officer
before being killed.
Last year an officer fatally shot a black 12-year-
old boy while he was
being dragged by the boy's car, Fangman added. The
officer, also black,
died after falling from the car.
NAACP national President Kweisi Mfume called
Cincinnati "ground zero"
in race relations.
"If it's not solved here, it won't be solved
anywhere," he said. "When
police officers, particularly good officers, get
tainted by those who take
the law into their own hands, it's up to the
police to break the blue wall of
silence."
At Cincinnati's downtown Fountain Square, several
hundred people
attended an interfaith Good Friday service, where
Christian, Jewish and
Muslim leaders appealed for calm.
The Rt. Rev. Herbert Thompson Jr., bishop of the
Episcopal Diocese of
Southern Ohio, compared the week of Christ's death
with this week's
rampage.
"It was a time of social unrest, of fear and
anger," Thompson said. "That
is why, Cincinnati, I am hopeful for us ... after
the suffering and death
comes resurrection."
JOE, THAT I HAVE NOT ALWAYS SEEN EYE TO EYE WITH YOU WILL COME AS NO SURPRISE TO YOU, NOR WILL IT BE IRRITANT, AND YOU HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF GENEROUSLY OBLIVIOUS OF CRITICISMS WHICH IT WOULD VIRTUALLY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN REASONABLE AND HUMAN TO REGARD AS UNFAIR AND OVER-STATED. THAT , IN MY EYES, IS A QUALITY OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE, AND IT IS TESTIMONY TO THE MARX-LENINIST NATURE OF YOUR MIND. SPEAKING AS A FRIEND OF COURSE, THAT CERTAINTY EFFECTIVELY MAKE UP FOR IDEOLOGICAL IDIOSYNCRASIES WHICH YOU HAVE OFTEN DISPLAYED IN YOUR ARTICLES WITH THEIR HIGHLY PERSONAL STYLE AND IN YOUR ADMIRABLY ELOQUENT SPEECHES. BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT THAT THAT I WISH TO ENGAGE YOU TODAY. I HOPE SOME DAY TO BROACH THOSE MATTERS AND ANOTHER WITH YOU DIRECTLY. IF I ADDRESS MYSELF PUBLICLY TO YOU, IT IS IN REGARD TO INFINITELY MORE SERIOUS MATTERS, TO REMIND YOU OF YOUR ENORMOUS RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH YOU MAY WELL HAVE OVER-LOOKED ON ACCOUNT OF YOUR MODESTY. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
frank bright would not STEAL the seat he holds on the housing authority from the residents of public housing, which violates federal law, if he cared about community control over public housing. he pushes a program that is anti-community control and pro republican. joe >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] rain coats >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT) > >FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER >BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT >PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
JOE IF MARXISM WERE TO TAKE POWER, IT WOULD RESEMBLE MORE CLOSELY A SELF-LIMITATION OF THE PEOPLES ACTION, PROMPTED BY OPPORTUNISTIC SAVVY. THE BUILT-TO-LAST WORKER'S STATE SET ITSELF THE IMMEDIATE TASK OF CHANNELLING AND ABSORBING EVERY ONE OF THE FORCES PRESENTLY AT LIBERTY WITHIN PROLETARIAT AND PEASANTRY. THE WORKER'S STATE IS THE FULL STOP CONCLUDING ALL REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESS, THE BEGINNING OF A NEW POLITICAL ENSLAVEMENT. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
bas- still enchanted with ford's (republican) revolutionary eloquence? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: > JOE > IF MARXISM WERE TO TAKE POWER, IT WOULD RESEMBLE MORE CLOSELY A > SELF-LIMITATION OF THE PEOPLES ACTION, PROMPTED BY OPPORTUNISTIC SAVVY. > THE BUILT-TO-LAST WORKER'S STATE SET ITSELF THE IMMEDIATE TASK OF > CHANNELLING AND ABSORBING EVERY ONE OF THE FORCES PRESENTLY AT LIBERTY > WITHIN PROLETARIAT AND PEASANTRY. THE WORKER'S STATE IS THE FULL STOP > CONCLUDING ALL REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESS, THE BEGINNING OF A NEW POLITICAL > ENSLAVEMENT. > TRACY FORD > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Police shoot bean bags at
protesters after slain man's
funeral
By LIZ SIDOTI
The Associated Press
4/14/01 11:37 PM
CINCINNATI (AP) -- Hundreds of protesters marched
through riot-scarred streets Saturday after the
funeral of a
black man whose shooting by police touched off a week
of
unrest.
Four people were injured by crowd-control bean bags
shot
by police, but the march was otherwise peaceful.
Police
and the FBI were investigating why officers shot at a
small
group milling on streets shortly after the funeral
ended.
Hundreds of mourners at New Prospect Baptist Church
were told the death of 19-year-old Timothy Thomas was
a
tragedy that raised awareness of the struggles of
blacks in
the city.
"All you need to do is hold on. Right now we have the
world
looking at Cincinnati," the Rev. Damon Lynch III said.
"The
world needs to see first of all that black men know
how to
stand up and be counted. Stand up for justice. Stand
up
against oppression."
Outside, protesters waved signs saying, "It Is Right
To
Rebel" and "It's Time To Shoot Back" as hundreds of
mourners filed past the open silver casket of Thomas,
the
fourth black man killed by police since November.
Thomas, who was wanted on 14 warrants for
misdemeanors and traffic violations, was unarmed when
he
was shot while running from police.
His death led to three days of rioting, and more than
200
people have been arrested in looting, arson,
vandalism, and
other violence in mostly black sections of the city.
A citywide curfew enacted Thursday to stem the
violence
has brought more than 350 arrests of violators over
two
nights. The dusk-to-dawn curfew was extended to
Saturday
night, when 25 people were arrested in the first few
hours.
The crowd of mourners dispersed Saturday before the
curfew took effect. Marchers sang gospel hymns and
clapped their hands as they marched past police
headquarters, which was guarded by officers in riot
gear.
The crowd also visited the alley where Thomas was
shot.
Authorities were investigating what prompted officers
to fire
the bean bags. A 50-year-old black man, a 34-year-old
white woman, an 11-year-old black girl and a
7-year-old
black girl suffered minor injuries.
"They just pulled up and starting shooting at us,"
said
Christine Jones, 34, of Louisville, Ky., as she sobbed
in an
alley.
A photographer for The Cincinnati Enquirer said he was
shoved and kicked and had a camera lense pulled off
his
arm as he took pictures of some of the demonstrators.
Outside the church about 200 people surrounded an
African drum band, waved African flags, and held signs
saying, "It Is Right To Rebel" and "It's Time To Shoot
Back."
Patricia X. Cooley, 40, yelled into a microphone,
"Racist
cops you can't hide. We charge you with genocide."
Malik Zulu Shabazz, national spokesman for the New
Black Panther Party, won cheers from those in the
church
and others who listened outside to a broadcast as he
chanted, "black power."
"This is not a riot. This is a rebellion," he said.
NAACP President Kweisi Mfume told mourners Thomas
did not die in vain.
"Although ordinary in his life, Timothy is
extraordinary in
his death because he got us looking at each other and
talking to each other," he said.
Tears flowed from Thomas' relatives, who filled the
first four
rows of seats in the church. Mayor Charles Luken spoke
directly to Thomas' mother, Angela Leisure.
"Words cannot express our sorrow. I repeat today my
apology to you and your family. I ask that today be a
catalyst for a new Cincinnati," he said.
Mourners filed into the church, some wearing suits and
dresses, others in jeans and jogging suits. Several of
Thomas' friends wore T-shirts with his photo on the
front.
Young and old kneeled to write messages on four white
bed sheets at a playground across the street from the
church. One note said, "Peace begins with Timothy and
continues with me."
"If you knew Timmy and what kind of person he was ...
this
should have never happened," said a man who would only
identify himself as Rich, 27. He said he and Thomas
regularly played basketball together.
"My power forward is gone. I mean, he was my best
friend.
He was my heart and soul."
The shooting is under investigation by prosecutors and
federal agencies, and the Justice Department's civil
rights
division has sent lawyers to Cincinnati to study the
practices, procedures and training of the police
department.
Attorney General John Ashcroft, in response to a
request
from Mayor Charles Luken, began the inquiry Friday to
determine if a wider investigation was warranted.
The president of the local police union said officers
would
accept whatever happens to Stephen Roach, the officer
who shot Thomas. Roach is on paid administrative
leave.
"From what we've been told, the suspect was not
armed,"
Keith Fangman said. "So it's natural that there should
be
questions. The community has every right to get
answers
to those questions."
DevCo leaders pursue big dreams
Published in the Home News Tribune 4/15/01
Second in an occasional series about DevCo
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: Get the two leaders of the New Brunswick
Development Corporation talking about future plans and they
are soon making a case for New Jersey -- not New York City
-- to host the 2012 Summer Olympics with New Brunswick serving
as the Olympic Village.
Sports stadiums and facilities at Rutgers University and
the Meadowlands could host events along with the proposed arena in
Newark and new home for the MetroStars soccer team.
Equestrian events would be held in Far Hills. Rutgers dorms could
house
athletes, and New Brunswick's hotels would accommodate
spectators. The area's highways and trains would shuttle people
between all the sites.
"It would be extraordinary," said DevCo President
Christopher J. Paladino.
"Is it a pipe dream? A lot of people have pipe dreams, but
sometimes they become reality," said DevCo's chairman George R.
Zoffinger, the same man who co-chaired the 1994 men's
World Cup games at the Meadowlands and insisted New Jersey, not just
New York, be listed in the venue name.
Any New Brunswick role in the 2012 Olympics would rest on
a New Jersey partnership with New York's bid. Eight cities,
including New York City, met the Dec. 15, 2000, deadline
for submitting applications to become the United States candidate city
to host the 2012 Olympic Games.
Dreams of Olympic-host glory aside, DevCo's two leaders
are not short on ideas for developing New Brunswick.
Leaders of the city's revitalization say DevCo's growing
momentum and success have led to an expanding role and prominence in
the city. The nonprofit, created in 1976 to revitalize the
city's blighted blocks, is now evaluating what it needs to do to move
itself,
and the city, to the next level.
One current DevCo focus is planning an "aggressive attack"
on the George Street corridor from New Street to Douglass College
and its contributing neighborhoods, Paladino said.
Revitalization in that area could not be accomplished without DevCo's
activities
in the Cultural Center area of downtown, he said.
DevCo is overseeing the construction of the 16-story
Heldrich Plaza at Monument Square and the transformation of the nearby
Neilson Street parking lots into a $125 million mixed-use
development. It will take over management of the Cultural Center
consortium of theaters and City Market, the downtown's
special-improvement district.
Paladino noted the city's riverfront area near the old
police station could be transformed into a venue for outside
symphonies and
other cultural events. He acknowledged such a project
could be an outgrowth of a DevCo and Cultural Center collaboration,
which could attract funds as both an arts and
economic-development project.
The riverfront
Other possibilities along the Raritan River and Delaware &
Raritan Canal include moving Rutgers' boathouse farther north and
improving it, providing the ability to dock boats or
building a waterfront restaurant.
Zoffinger and Paladino called the riverfront a tremendous
resource and noted about 2,000 people will eventually live across from
it in the New and Neilson streets upscale developments
called The Highlands and The Metropolitan. Zoffinger wants to find a
way to further develop New Brunswick's riverfront, saying
the area could become similar to San Antonio's Riverwalk, a
tree-lined promenade of restaurants and shops.
"Think about what it could be. We don't know exactly, but
we're going to throw out a lot of ideas," he said.
Anticipating the promise of the waterfront, city officials
want a pedestrian bridge built over Route 18 from Richmond Street to
the
area of the old police station. Mayor James M. Cahill said
he asked the state Department of Transportation to add the bridge into
its $75 million plan for the widening of Route 18.
Paladino's vision has the Richmond Street bridge being
wide enough for vehicular traffic. The bridge would be inviting, said
Paladino, who compared his vision of the bridge to an I-95
overpass linking Penns Landing with the rest of downtown
Philadelphia.
The DOT's proposed changes to Route 18 and plans for The
Highlands and The Metropolitan developments made the city realize
now was the time to try to add the pedestrian bridge to
create another access point to the river, Cahill said.
Revitalizing the George Street corridor from downtown to
Douglass College was always one of the areas highlighted as an
opportunity for redevelopment, said one of the city's
original revitalization leaders, C. Roy Epps, president of the Civic
League of
Greater New Brunswick. Plans for the riverfront at the old
police station also are not new, he said, but noted there may be a
reason DevCo is speaking about these projects now.
"It says maybe there's new opportunity and also it's in
the grand plan to do these things. As opportunities present
themselves,
that's when you strike the iron."
Rutgers as partner
One emerging opportunity could be a closer relationship
between DevCo and Rutgers University, a partnership that could be
essential for linking the downtown to Douglass.
George Street should be revitalized with neighborhood
retail, university and institutional growth in the area and a
significant
amount of mixed-income housing, Paladino said. He noted
the importance of students as a market, saying additional services
students demand could be provided. Certain uses could
serve dual needs, said Paladino, noting some universities have movie
theaters double as classroom space.
The more DevCo can do with Rutgers to focus development in
New Brunswick's downtown versus Piscataway can help the city
leverage other projects, said Paladino, noting Rutgers
could be a "great partner."
Zoffinger said it was "not controversial but interesting,"
that Rutgers University needs to be a more active partner in the
revitalization process.
"We've been disappointed we haven't been able to do more
together. I've had a lot of discussions with (Rutgers President
Francis
L.) Lawrence about that, and I think we'll be doing more,"
Zoffinger said.
Rutgers Senior Vice President and Treasurer Joanne G.
Jackson said she was surprised by Zoffinger's statement that the
university
needed to be more active. Rutgers is undergoing a
master-planning process to assess physical-asset resources and needs
and has
met with Zoffinger and DevCo officials about the planning,
she said.
Rutgers is firmly committed to working not only with the
city of New Brunswick, but also Piscataway and Highland Park, on
development issues, she said. Rutgers has partnered with
Middlesex County, DevCo, New Brunswick and other local
municipalities and businesses to study a proposal for a
light-rail or bus line running from Interstate 287 in Piscataway to
Route 18
in East Brunswick or South River.
If talking about the Olympics in New Jersey excites
Zoffinger, so does discussing revitalization opportunities in Asbury
Park or
Camden. But when asked if New Brunswick Development
Corporation could someday become New Jersey Development
Corporation, Zoffinger said "No."
"I don't think we can. Realistically, we've done some
great things here, and ideas can be transferred elsewhere but when you
branch out like that, it becomes harder to manage. I think
one reason we're successful is we're focused," said Zoffinger.
"We're not egomaniacs thinking we can do this all over the
world," he said.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: April 15, 2001
>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >To: "Larry Hamm" <ceettadili@...> >Subject: Larry on Gormley in Newark >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:47:25 -0400 > >Sunday, April 15 > >Larry Hamm just called. A happy holiday to all. > >His computer is down. And out. He asked me to pass this message along. > >The Senate Judiciary Committee headed by Sen. Gormley will meet in Newark >this Wednesday. Larry calls for everyone who can make it to be in front of >Seton Hall Law School in Newark for a comprehensive protest against all the >racist abuses of the criminal "justice" system. The hearings in Trenton >began at 10 AM so I expect that it will be the same here. The location is >One Newark Center, Raymond Blvd. at McCarter Highway. > >Come at whatever hour you can- there will be people all day. Bring signs, >literature, your issue, your views, whatever you got. > >Also let me remind you of the program Tuesday night: Jose Fernando Ramirez, >Colombian trade unionist, will speak on the topic "U.S. Intervention in >Colombia and the People's Response." POP is a co-sponsor of the event. It >will take place on the South Orange campus of Seton Hall in the Graduate >Student Lounge of Duffy Hall at 7 PM. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German Shepherds? This is not an esoteric point. "I don't ally myself with facts. SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!" MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT. Your responses amount to, "No, you're wrong. Fuck you." This is why I have given up on these useless back- and-forths. You have yet to write one argument against what I am saying. Yes, I know you support the black nation. Yes, I know you believe in reparations. Yes I know you believe in self- determination. Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone? Who told you this stuff anyway? You got these ideas from somewhere. Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely weak, pre-modern, or out of touch with reality. Please convince me of your view. I would like to be part of your hip herd, really. But not before I hear a convincing argument. Let's start: Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*? Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian. You have the line of Idi Amin. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > >was abolished". > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > >totalitarianism." --jim luceno > > keith, care to ally yrself with this? > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, and all > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies. > > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I > made this argument on the street outside my house" j-low > > ^^^this is a lie.^^^ > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000 > > > >Joe -- > > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. > > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > >was abolished. > > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is racism > >and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. That's > >absurd. They're impoverished because of racism. > > > >What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money > >at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people care > >about is getting cash for slavery? > > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self- > >determination. What are the boundaries that form the black nation? > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral > >connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? You're > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? What > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs? > > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a phenomenon > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One-sidedeness is > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is. > > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does not mean > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage. > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > >totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, you're > >not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs me up. > >It abandons you. > > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL > >conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other list you > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you do... > > > >Jim > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you > >think > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of > > > segregation should be repaid for education? > > > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can > >agree > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements > >that you > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to > >underrstand what > > > you think. > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > > > > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and > > > >Repartaions and Jim > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully > >moving > > > >forward, and > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. > >For > > > >insatnce when he > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre- modern > >classes" > > > >taking > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of > > > >Afro-Americans to the US > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic > >anti-feudal > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an > > > >ultra-left error and > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against > >reparations > > > >that's why > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To > >say that > > > >Jim's > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him > >a Klans > > > >man) is > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather > >than > > > >organize them. > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer > >togther > > > >towards > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards > >disunity. > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had > >a line > > > >analgous to > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you > >expect Jim > > > >to do > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him > >or > > > >change his mind > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the > >attack > > > >on Curtis is > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an > >enemy > > > >where there > > > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left line > >and its > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force > >towards > > > >uniting > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a > >long way in > > > > defeating > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates > >NJFO and > > > >the People's > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people > >like Jim and > > > >Curtis (to > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be > >organized > > > >and we will > > > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good > >vehicle to > > > >bring > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse > >to force > > > >people to > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of > >imperialsim. > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction > >of > > > >national > > > > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your > >right to > > > >it? > > > > > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only > > > >economically, > > > > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national > > > >governments. > > > > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national > >oppression of > > > >Black > > > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb Blacks/Latinos > >are not > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo > >obliterated > > > >for > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by > >poor > > > >whites? > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? > >the > > > >vast, > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) > >south? > > > > > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro- > >America, > > > >but > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its > >economic, > > > >political, > > > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny > >goodman to > > > >jazz, > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who profit$ > >from > > > >these > > > > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with > >dubois "black > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some > >charles > > > >mingus. > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self- > > > > > >determination & > > > > > > > the theft of national resources. your > >celebrated "modernism" is > > > > > >the > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > > > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value > >from one > > > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of national > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the > >U.S. and > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and Huey > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if > >you like, > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and > >industrialization has > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > > > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are stealing > >national > > > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. > >I'll agree > > > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class > >question, > > > > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however > >democracy > > > > > >means those > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the > >US urban > > > > > >centers, > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have > >the > > > > > >right to > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which > >they are > > > > > >the > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which > >they > > > > > >have never > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black > >peoples > > > > > >in US. > > > > > > > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the > >grassroots > > > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of > >*race*? Why? > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify > >themselves > > > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's > >word) > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to > >form > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. > >Should they > > > > > >be allowed to? > > > > > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local > >government > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have > >you) > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what > >you will > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than > >what the > > > > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class > >along > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people are > >unique > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot > >understand, > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity garbage > >is what > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts > >before > > > > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > > > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? Let's > >be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st > >& demand > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, > >which is the > > > > > >heart of > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve > > > > > >problems". > > > > > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a > >community > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. Or > >better > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your self- > > > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an > >international > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. Class > > > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, then > >we can > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need > >something > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the > > > > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by > >fascist > > > > > >terror. the > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes- tilden > > > > > >scheme. where > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > > > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the > >return of > > > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the > >southern > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > > > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced > >Reconstruction > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. > >army, that > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self- > >determination. > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could > >have > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal > >force? > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away > >because it > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > > > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line is > >drawn > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the > >harvest. > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. Progress > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of > >human-kind > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real > >political > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You forget > >about > > > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history class > >about > > > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because the > >idea > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the > >idea we > > > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a part > >of > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. > >Because you > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once > >redevelopment > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves > >in the > > > > > >suburbs. > > > > > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of > >the > > > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by > >balkanizing > > > > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: > >common > > > > > >geographic > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward > >first by > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about how > >Joe > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for > >Lenin, and > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites > >after the > > > > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against > >patriarchy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against > >capital! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of > >Sandford St. > > > > > >down > > > > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self- > >determination. I'm > > > > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down > >with radical > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But where do > >you get > > > > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and > > > > > >reparations > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" > ><cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic > >rights and > > > > > > > >the only > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I > >am not > > > > > > > >convinced > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That is, I > >have not > > > > > > > >heard > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only > >arguments I > > > > > >can > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments > >against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a > >statement > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the > >debate came > > > > > > > >up, I > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I > >cannot > > > > > >condone > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for > >the "black > > > > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self- > > > > > >determination > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate > >over the > > > > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's > >Campaign or > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since we > >have > > > > > >never had > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think > >it > > > > > >belongs > > > > > > > >in a > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are > >against > > > > > >in > > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" > ><can_bush@h...> > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black > >Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S > > > > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New > >Brunswick, > > > > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR > >VERNIERO'S > > > > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick > >People's > > > > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents > >and > > > > > >their > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all > > > > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following > >statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) > >warmly > > > > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New > >Jersey > > > > > >State > > > > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court > >Justice > > > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial > >profiling and > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of > >color, > > > > > >commits > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by > >swift and > > > > > >severe > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their > >superiors who > > > > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be > >consistent > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate > >Judiciary > > > > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's > >satisfaction, that > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling > >in the > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this > >hateful > > > > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further > >calls > > > > > >upon the > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution > >calling for > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan > >group of > > > > > > > >senators > > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long last, > >been > > > > > >revealed > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary > >Committee's > > > > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more > >acute > > > > > >than > > > > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and > >believes > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected > > > > > >civilian > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the > >hate > > > > > >crimes > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of > >color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State Legislature is > > > > > >already > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. We urge all > >legislators, if > > > > > >they are > > > > > > > > > >good > > > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - > > > > > >732/514-0610 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-30- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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death to the klan! demand that the targum not use ink for white supremacist propoganda! joe >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: meet to protest targum >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:10:37 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >wrote: > > jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda, >freely > > spread through the student funded newspaper of the state >university, should > > be protested out of existence? > >Okay: let's at least establish that there's such a thing as REAL >white supremacist propaganda, the sort of thing you find being put >out by "white nationalists". David Horowitz is not _literally_ a >neofacist, neonazi, or shrill, overt racist of that sort. > >If his positions are _structurally_ racist ... you can make that >argument, easily. But that's a different kind of racism. It's like >the difference between killing someone and letting them die, to use a >rough analogy. > >I don't know about you, but I'd rather make it possible to >distinguish between David Horowitz and, say, that Barrett guy or the >Ku Klux Klan. There's enough of those people that they deserve their >own special designation. > >And, in any case, if you seek to protest the _publication_ of >opinions you don't like too forcefully, you'll be working to create a >climate where nobody can feel safe in voicing opinions that differ >from the mainstream. The risk would come to seem to great, for >progressives and reactionaries alike! Is that really the sort of >environment you want? Since when has censorship even helped the >Left? Never. Whenever the Left wants censorship of something, >authorities end up using that power _against_ the Left. > >Bye, > >Jeremy > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
"Duhhhhh... derrr, uhh, I say throw em in the river, boss. Can I do it, can I do it? Aww, come on, lemme do it. I'm loyal, boss. Derrr." > death to the klan! > demand that the targum not use ink for white supremacist propoganda! > > joe > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >wrote: > > > jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda, > >freely > > > spread through the student funded newspaper of the state > >university, should > > > be protested out of existence? > > > >Okay: let's at least establish that there's such a thing as REAL > >white supremacist propaganda, the sort of thing you find being put > >out by "white nationalists". David Horowitz is not _literally_ a > >neofacist, neonazi, or shrill, overt racist of that sort. > > > >If his positions are _structurally_ racist ... you can make that > >argument, easily. But that's a different kind of racism. It's like > >the difference between killing someone and letting them die, to use a > >rough analogy. > > > >I don't know about you, but I'd rather make it possible to > >distinguish between David Horowitz and, say, that Barrett guy or the > >Ku Klux Klan. There's enough of those people that they deserve their > >own special designation. > > > >And, in any case, if you seek to protest the _publication_ of > >opinions you don't like too forcefully, you'll be working to create a > >climate where nobody can feel safe in voicing opinions that differ > >from the mainstream. The risk would come to seem to great, for > >progressives and reactionaries alike! Is that really the sort of > >environment you want? Since when has censorship even helped the > >Left? Never. Whenever the Left wants censorship of something, > >authorities end up using that power _against_ the Left. > > > >Bye, > > > >Jeremy > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________
JOE, I BELIEVE AS I ALWAYS HAVE, IN FREEDOM. FREEDOM TAKEN IN THE IN THE SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY. I REGARD DISCIPLE AS INDISPENSABLE, BUT IT MUST BE SELF-DISCIPLINE PROMPTED BY A SHARED IDEAL AND A STURDY FEELING OF COMRADESHIP. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
JOE, KNOWING THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PEOPLE, WE KNOW THAT THE SOLDIER OF THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT EFFECTIVELY IF HE TURNED INTO SOULLESS AUTOMATON UNDER THE RIGID DISCIPLINE OF A CODE THAT SPEAKS NOT OF RIGHT OR DUTY BUT RATHER OF OBEDIENCE AND PUNISHMENT. THE OLD FORMULAS ARE UNACCEPTABLE HERE, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT LAID DOWN BY A PEOPLE DEFENDING ITSELF. THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR THE ENSLAVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE DEFENSE OF EXPLOITER CLASSES USING ARMED FORCE TO PROTECT THEIR INTERESTS AND THEIR PRIVILEGES. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
JOE, REVOLUTIONARY DISCIPLINE GROWS OUT OF THE BASIS OF CONSCIOUS DUTY AND NOT OUT OF CONSTRAINT. THE SEVEREST PUNISHMENT THAT A COMRADE REFUSING TO CARRY OUT HIS TASK IN THE PROLETARIAN REVOLUTIONARY SOCIETY IN MATTERS MILITARY OR ECONOMIC CAN EARN IS TO FACE SCORN, ISOLATION AND ULTIMATELY ELIMINATION FROM A SOCIETY WHERE PARASITES HAVE NO PLACE. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
IF FRANK BRIGHT STEP DOWN THEN HOUSES, NOT BEING MAINTAINED, ARE GOING TO WRECK AND RUIN. THE HEATING IS OUT OF ORDER. BROKEN WINDOWS ARE NOT REPLACED. THE ROOF IS FALLING APART AND WATER IS STARTING TO SEEP THROUGH. FENCES COLLAPSE. PIPES ARE HALF WRECKED. TOILETS ARE OUT OF ORDER AND THEIR CONTENTS INVADE THE APARTMENTS, FORCING CITIZENS TO ANSWER THEIR NEEDS IN THE YARD OR IN A NEIGHBOR'S PLACE. STAIRCASE ARE STILL UNLIGHTED AND COVERED IN FILTH. THE YARD ARE FULL OF EXCREMENT, ON ACCOUNT OF THE LATRINES, RUBBISH BINS, SEWAGE OUTLETS AND SPOUTING BEING NEITHER REPAIRED OR EMPTIED. THE STREET ARE FILTHY. THE PAVEMENTS, WHICH ARE NEVER REPAIRED ARE GRIMY AND SLICK. WALKING THE STREETS ARE DANGEROUS. THIS THE CITY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN. IT IS NOT ME. FRANK BRIGHT STAY WHERE HE AT AND MOST USEFUL TO THE PEOPLE TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
COMRADES! JOE & CO. ARE GOING TO BUILD US A SPLENDID LIFE. JOE & CO. ARE GONG TO DESTROY THE WORLD OF VIOLENCE AND JOE & CO. WILL BUILD US A NEW, SOCIALIST, QUITE BEAUTIFUL WORLD. TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
jagross66@... thought you would be interested in this article at Salon.com http://www.salon.com jagross66@... came from IP: 128.6.175.83 Your friend's message: In case anyone wants a sense of _why_ David Horowitz began his ad campaign. Note especially the last paragraph. - - - - - - - - - - - - Why I won't pay the Daily Princetonian By David Horowitz http://www.salon.com/news/col/horo/2001/04/16/princetonian/index.html Yes, the paper ran my anti-reparations ad, but the editorial printed alongside it was pure slander. - - - - - - - - - - - - Mon Apr 16 02:44:17 2001
Friends: Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against the basic spirit of unity in the Campaign. In that vein, I am entirely outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have chosen to express bigoted views on this board. Specifically, Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak, pre-modern, or out of touch with reality." (message 1454) Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka): "We want poems like fists beating niggers out of Jocks or dagger poems in the slimy bellies of the owner-jews. .... Another bad poem cracking steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth." (message 1381). Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about. Gentlemen, please explain yourselves!! --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote: > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German > Shepherds? This is not an esoteric point. > > "I don't ally myself with facts. SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!" > > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT. Your responses amount to, "No, you're > wrong. Fuck you." This is why I have given up on these useless back- > and-forths. You have yet to write one argument against what I am > saying. Yes, I know you support the black nation. Yes, I know you > believe in reparations. Yes I know you believe in self- > determination. > > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone? Who told > you this stuff anyway? You got these ideas from somewhere. > > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely weak, > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality. Please convince me of your > view. I would like to be part of your hip herd, really. But not > before I hear a convincing argument. > > Let's start: Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*? > > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian. You have the > line of Idi Amin. > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > wrote: > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > > >was abolished". > > > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging > to > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > >totalitarianism." --jim luceno > > > > keith, care to ally yrself with this? > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, > and all > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies. > > > > > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my > ass if I > > made this argument on the street outside my house" j-low > > > > ^^^this is a lie.^^^ > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000 > > > > > >Joe -- > > > > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. > > > > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > > >was abolished. > > > > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is > racism > > >and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. > That's > > >absurd. They're impoverished because of racism. > > > > > >What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money > > >at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people > care > > >about is getting cash for slavery? > > > > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self- > > >determination. What are the boundaries that form the black nation? > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral > > >connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? You're > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? What > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs? > > > > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a > phenomenon > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One-sidedeness is > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is. > > > > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does not > mean > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage. > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging > to > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > >totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, > you're > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs me > up. > > >It abandons you. > > > > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL > > >conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other list you > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you > do... > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > wrote: > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do > you > > >think > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think > students of > > > > segregation should be repaid for education? > > > > > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you > can > > >agree > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it > being > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the > arguements > > >that you > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to > > >underrstand what > > > > you think. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D > and > > > > >Repartaions and Jim > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully > > >moving > > > > >forward, and > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning > to. > > >For > > > > >insatnce when he > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre- > modern > > >classes" > > > > >taking > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic > > >anti-feudal > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is > an > > > > >ultra-left error and > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against > > >reparations > > > > >that's why > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have > it. To > > >say that > > > > >Jim's > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call > him > > >a Klans > > > > >man) is > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather > > >than > > > > >organize them. > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers > closer > > >togther > > > > >towards > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards > > >disunity. > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I > had > > >a line > > > > >analgous to > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would > you > > >expect Jim > > > > >to do > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate > him > > >or > > > > >change his mind > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which > the > > >attack > > > > >on Curtis is > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates > an > > >enemy > > > > >where there > > > > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left > line > > >and its > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force > > >towards > > > > >uniting > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a > > >long way in > > > > > defeating > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that > dominates > > >NJFO and > > > > >the People's > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people > > >like Jim and > > > > >Curtis (to > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will > be > > >organized > > > > >and we will > > > > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good > > >vehicle to > > > > >bring > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an > excuse > > >to force > > > > >people to > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of > > >imperialsim. > > > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the > destruction > > >of > > > > >national > > > > > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying > your > > >right to > > > > >it? > > > > > > > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood > only > > > > >economically, > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > > > > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling > national > > > > >governments. > > > > > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national > > >oppression of > > > > >Black > > > > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb > Blacks/Latinos > > >are not > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > > > > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo > > >obliterated > > > > >for > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd > by > > >poor > > > > >whites? > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, > jobs? > > >the > > > > >vast, > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) > > >south? > > > > > > > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from > Afro- > > >America, > > > > >but > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its > > >economic, > > > > >political, > > > > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny > > >goodman to > > > > >jazz, > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who > profit$ > > >from > > > > >these > > > > > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > > > > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with > > >dubois "black > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some > > >charles > > > > >mingus. > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national > self- > > > > > > >determination & > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources. your > > >celebrated "modernism" is > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value > > >from one > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of > national > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in > the > > >U.S. and > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and > Huey > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if > > >you like, > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and > > >industrialization has > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are > stealing > > >national > > > > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. > > >I'll agree > > > > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class > > >question, > > > > > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however > > >democracy > > > > > > >means those > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & > the > > >US urban > > > > > > >centers, > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations > have > > >the > > > > > > >right to > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which > > >they are > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, > which > > >they > > > > > > >have never > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all > Black > > >peoples > > > > > > >in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the > > >grassroots > > > > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of > > >*race*? Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify > > >themselves > > > > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your > brother's > > >word) > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom > want to > > >form > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. > > >Should they > > > > > > >be allowed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local > > >government > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what > have > > >you) > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what > > >you will > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least > they > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than > > >what the > > > > > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working > class > > >along > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people > are > > >unique > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of > cultural > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot > > >understand, > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity > garbage > > >is what > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin > spouts > > >before > > > > > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? > Let's > > >be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford > st > > >& demand > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, > > >which is the > > > > > > >heart of > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to > solve > > > > > > >problems". > > > > > > > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a > > >community > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. > Or > > >better > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your > self- > > > > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an > > >international > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. > Class > > > > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, > then > > >we can > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need > > >something > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of > the > > > > > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by > > >fascist > > > > > > >terror. the > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes- > tilden > > > > > > >scheme. where > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the > > >return of > > > > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the > > >southern > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced > > >Reconstruction > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. > > >army, that > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self- > > >determination. > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who > could > > >have > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you > don't > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of > federal > > >force? > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away > > >because it > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line > is > > >drawn > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the > > >harvest. > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. > Progress > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of > > >human-kind > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > > > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real > > >political > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You > forget > > >about > > > > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history > class > > >about > > > > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because > the > > >idea > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the > > >idea we > > > > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > > > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a > part > > >of > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. > > >Because you > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once > > >redevelopment > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into > enclaves > > >in the > > > > > > >suburbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power > of > > >the > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by > > >balkanizing > > > > > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: > > >common > > > > > > >geographic > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put > forward > > >first by > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about > how > > >Joe > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for > > >Lenin, and > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites > > >after the > > > > > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against > > >patriarchy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against > > >capital! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of > > >Sandford St. > > > > > > >down > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self- > > >determination. I'm > > > > > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down > > >with radical > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But > where do > > >you get > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self- determination > and > > > > > > >reparations > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" > > ><cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic > democratic > > >rights and > > > > > > > > >the only > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's > Campaign, I > > >am not > > > > > > > > >convinced > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That > is, I > > >have not > > > > > > > > >heard > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only > > >arguments I > > > > > > >can > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments > > >against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on > a > > >statement > > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the > > >debate came > > > > > > > > >up, I > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I > > >cannot > > > > > > >condone > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for > > >the "black > > > > > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed > self- > > > > > > >determination > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated > debate > > >over the > > > > > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's > > >Campaign or > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since > we > > >have > > > > > > >never had > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you > think > > >it > > > > > > >belongs > > > > > > > > >in a > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we > are > > >against > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" > > ><can_bush@h...> > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black > > >Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK > PEOPLE'S > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New > > >Brunswick, > > > > > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR > > >VERNIERO'S > > > > > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New > Brunswick > > >People's > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick > residents > > >and > > > > > > >their > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents > from all > > > > > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following > > >statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) > > >warmly > > > > > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the > New > > >Jersey > > > > > > >State > > > > > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court > > >Justice > > > > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial > > >profiling and > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of > > >color, > > > > > > >commits > > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by > > >swift and > > > > > > >severe > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their > > >superiors who > > > > > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be > > >consistent > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate > > >Judiciary > > > > > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's > > >satisfaction, that > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial > profiling > > >in the > > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this > > >hateful > > > > > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further > > >calls > > > > > > >upon the > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution > > >calling for > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan > > >group of > > > > > > > > >senators > > > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long > last, > > >been > > > > > > >revealed > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary > > >Committee's > > > > > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now > more > > >acute > > > > > > >than > > > > > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, > and > > >believes > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically > elected > > > > > > >civilian > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to > the > > >hate > > > > > > >crimes > > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of > > >color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State > Legislature is > > > > > > >already > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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bright is a theif! community control over housing! joe >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] rain coats >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:43:28 -0400 (EDT) > >IF FRANK BRIGHT STEP DOWN THEN HOUSES, NOT BEING MAINTAINED, ARE GOING >TO WRECK AND RUIN. THE HEATING IS OUT OF ORDER. BROKEN WINDOWS ARE NOT >REPLACED. THE ROOF IS FALLING APART AND WATER IS STARTING TO SEEP >THROUGH. FENCES COLLAPSE. PIPES ARE HALF WRECKED. TOILETS ARE OUT OF >ORDER AND THEIR CONTENTS INVADE THE APARTMENTS, FORCING CITIZENS TO >ANSWER THEIR NEEDS IN THE YARD OR IN A NEIGHBOR'S PLACE. STAIRCASE ARE >STILL UNLIGHTED AND COVERED IN FILTH. THE YARD ARE FULL OF EXCREMENT, ON >ACCOUNT OF THE LATRINES, RUBBISH BINS, SEWAGE OUTLETS AND SPOUTING BEING >NEITHER REPAIRED OR EMPTIED. THE STREET ARE FILTHY. THE PAVEMENTS, WHICH >ARE NEVER REPAIRED ARE GRIMY AND SLICK. WALKING THE STREETS ARE >DANGEROUS. > >THIS THE CITY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN. IT IS NOT ME. FRANK BRIGHT STAY WHERE >HE AT AND MOST USEFUL TO THE PEOPLE >TRACY FORD > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are our enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine. i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the elected school board campaign april 28. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I agree, like Malcolm said (to paraphrase)- leave your religious beliefs at home...when we come together, let it be to find political unity. The thing that is most unhelpful here is that Joe posted a poem of Amiri's from the 60's writen during his 'nationalist' days without bothering to put it in the context of the ensuing 25 years of development...in short, these are positions that he has repeatedly criticized himself (See the Autobiography of LeRoi Jones, A.B.) -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:32:58 -0000 Friends: Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against the basic spirit of unity in the Campaign. In that vein, I am entirely outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have chosen to express bigoted views on this board. Specifically, Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak, pre-modern, or out of touch with reality." (message 1454) Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka): "We want poems like fists beating niggers out of Jocks or dagger poems in the slimy bellies of the owner-jews. .... Another bad poem cracking steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth." (message 1381). Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about. Gentlemen, please explain yourselves!! --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote: > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German > Shepherds? This is not an esoteric point. > > "I don't ally myself with facts. SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!" > > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT. Your responses amount to, "No, you're > wrong. Fuck you." This is why I have given up on these useless back- > and-forths. You have yet to write one argument against what I am > saying. Yes, I know you support the black nation. Yes, I know you > believe in reparations. Yes I know you believe in self- > determination. > > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone? Who told > you this stuff anyway? You got these ideas from somewhere. > > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely weak, > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality. Please convince me of your > view. I would like to be part of your hip herd, really. But not > before I hear a convincing argument. > > Let's start: Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*? > > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian. You have the > line of Idi Amin. > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > wrote: > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > > >was abolished". > > > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging > to > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > >totalitarianism." --jim luceno > > > > keith, care to ally yrself with this? > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, > and all > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies. > > > > > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my > ass if I > > made this argument on the street outside my house" j-low > > > > ^^^this is a lie.^^^ > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000 > > > > > >Joe -- > > > > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. > > > > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because slavery > > >was abolished. > > > > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is > racism > > >and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. > That's > > >absurd. They're impoverished because of racism. > > > > > >What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw money > > >at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people > care > > >about is getting cash for slavery? > > > > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self- > > >determination. What are the boundaries that form the black nation? > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral > > >connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? You're > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? What > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs? > > > > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a > phenomenon > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One-sidedeness is > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is. > > > > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does not > mean > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage. > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging > to > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > >totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, > you're > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs me > up. > > >It abandons you. > > > > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL > > >conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other list you > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you > do... > > > > > >Jim > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > wrote: > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do > you > > >think > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think > students of > > > > segregation should be repaid for education? > > > > > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you > can > > >agree > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it > being > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the > arguements > > >that you > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to > > >underrstand what > > > > you think. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D > and > > > > >Repartaions and Jim > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully > > >moving > > > > >forward, and > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning > to. > > >For > > > > >insatnce when he > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre- > modern > > >classes" > > > > >taking > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic > > >anti-feudal > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is > an > > > > >ultra-left error and > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against > > >reparations > > > > >that's why > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have > it. To > > >say that > > > > >Jim's > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call > him > > >a Klans > > > > >man) is > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather > > >than > > > > >organize them. > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers > closer > > >togther > > > > >towards > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards > > >disunity. > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I > had > > >a line > > > > >analgous to > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would > you > > >expect Jim > > > > >to do > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate > him > > >or > > > > >change his mind > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which > the > > >attack > > > > >on Curtis is > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates > an > > >enemy > > > > >where there > > > > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra-left > line > > >and its > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force > > >towards > > > > >uniting > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a > > >long way in > > > > > defeating > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that > dominates > > >NJFO and > > > > >the People's > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people > > >like Jim and > > > > >Curtis (to > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will > be > > >organized > > > > >and we will > > > > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good > > >vehicle to > > > > >bring > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an > excuse > > >to force > > > > >people to > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of > > >imperialsim. > > > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the > destruction > > >of > > > > >national > > > > > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying > your > > >right to > > > > >it? > > > > > > > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood > only > > > > >economically, > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > > > > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling > national > > > > >governments. > > > > > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national > > >oppression of > > > > >Black > > > > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb > Blacks/Latinos > > >are not > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > > > > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo > > >obliterated > > > > >for > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd > by > > >poor > > > > >whites? > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, > jobs? > > >the > > > > >vast, > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) > > >south? > > > > > > > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from > Afro- > > >America, > > > > >but > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its > > >economic, > > > > >political, > > > > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny > > >goodman to > > > > >jazz, > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who > profit$ > > >from > > > > >these > > > > > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > > > > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with > > >dubois "black > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some > > >charles > > > > >mingus. > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national > self- > > > > > > >determination & > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources. your > > >celebrated "modernism" is > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value > > >from one > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of > national > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in > the > > >U.S. and > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book and > Huey > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that if > > >you like, > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and > > >industrialization has > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are > stealing > > >national > > > > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. > > >I'll agree > > > > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a class > > >question, > > > > > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however > > >democracy > > > > > > >means those > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & > the > > >US urban > > > > > > >centers, > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations > have > > >the > > > > > > >right to > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which > > >they are > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, > which > > >they > > > > > > >have never > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all > Black > > >peoples > > > > > > >in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at the > > >grassroots > > > > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of > > >*race*? Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify > > >themselves > > > > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your > brother's > > >word) > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom > want to > > >form > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. > > >Should they > > > > > > >be allowed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local > > >government > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what > have > > >you) > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say what > > >you will > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least > they > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More than > > >what the > > > > > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working > class > > >along > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain people > are > > >unique > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of > cultural > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot > > >understand, > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity > garbage > > >is what > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin > spouts > > >before > > > > > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? > Let's > > >be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford > st > > >& demand > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, > > >which is the > > > > > > >heart of > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to > solve > > > > > > >problems". > > > > > > > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a > > >community > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there. > Or > > >better > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your > self- > > > > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an > > >international > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines. > Class > > > > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, > then > > >we can > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we need > > >something > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of > the > > > > > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by > > >fascist > > > > > > >terror. the > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes- > tilden > > > > > > >scheme. where > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the > > >return of > > > > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the > > >southern > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced > > >Reconstruction > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. > > >army, that > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self- > > >determination. > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who > could > > >have > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you > don't > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of > federal > > >force? > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away > > >because it > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The line > is > > >drawn > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the > > >harvest. > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. > Progress > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of > > >human-kind > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > > > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and real > > >political > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You > forget > > >about > > > > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history > class > > >about > > > > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, because > the > > >idea > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the > > >idea we > > > > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > > > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a > part > > >of > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. > > >Because you > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once > > >redevelopment > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into > enclaves > > >in the > > > > > > >suburbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power > of > > >the > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by > > >balkanizing > > > > > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: > > >common > > > > > > >geographic > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put > forward > > >first by > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think about > how > > >Joe > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for > > >Lenin, and > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites > > >after the > > > > > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against > > >patriarchy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against > > >capital! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of > > >Sandford St. > > > > > > >down > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self- > > >determination. I'm > > > > > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm down > > >with radical > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But > where do > > >you get > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self- determination > and > > > > > > >reparations > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" > > ><cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic > democratic > > >rights and > > > > > > > > >the only > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's > Campaign, I > > >am not > > > > > > > > >convinced > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That > is, I > > >have not > > > > > > > > >heard > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only > > >arguments I > > > > > > >can > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments > > >against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on > a > > >statement > > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If the > > >debate came > > > > > > > > >up, I > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I > > >cannot > > > > > > >condone > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for > > >the "black > > > > > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed > self- > > > > > > >determination > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated > debate > > >over the > > > > > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's > > >Campaign or > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. Since > we > > >have > > > > > > >never had > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you > think > > >it > > > > > > >belongs > > > > > > > > >in a > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we > are > > >against > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" > > ><can_bush@h...> > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black > > >Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK > PEOPLE'S > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? New > > >Brunswick, > > > > > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR > > >VERNIERO'S > > > > > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New > Brunswick > > >People's > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick > residents > > >and > > > > > > >their > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents > from all > > > > > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following > > >statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) > > >warmly > > > > > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the > New > > >Jersey > > > > > > >State > > > > > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court > > >Justice > > > > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial > > >profiling and > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of > > >color, > > > > > > >commits > > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by > > >swift and > > > > > > >severe > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their > > >superiors who > > > > > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be > > >consistent > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the Senate > > >Judiciary > > > > > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's > > >satisfaction, that > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial > profiling > > >in the > > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this > > >hateful > > > > > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign further > > >calls > > > > > > >upon the > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution > > >calling for > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan > > >group of > > > > > > > > >senators > > > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long > last, > > >been > > > > > > >revealed > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary > > >Committee's > > > > > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now > more > > >acute > > > > > > >than > > > > > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, > and > > >believes > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically > elected > > > > > > >civilian > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to > the > > >hate > > > > > > >crimes > > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of > > >color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State > Legislature is > > > > > > >already > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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(An Open Letter of Resignation to NJFO) This action is an abomination of the principles of openness and democracy that the Peoples Campaign was founded on. It is an obvious and transparent manuever to EXPEL unwanted people and points of view--some of which I disagree with, and some of which I agree with, but all of which have the right to be heard in a "united front" formation. I find it regretable that the the NBPC has gone down this road, as it does not set forth a model to resolve the ongoing disputes in NB's progressive and revolutionary circles; nor does it do anything to move closer to the "LEFT BLOC" that has been called for by Amiri Baraka and "Unity & Struggle"--an effort, an idea, an ideology, a line that NJFO used to support, but whose "majority faction" has since abandoned in words and in deeds. I find it all the more regretable, and even painful, that these actions were advanced by "majority faction" members of NJFO (what was for a minute following the decline of CU's secretive manipulations, a Revolutionary Democratic organization united "FOR SOCIALISM & DEMOCRACY" willing to struggle together over ideological differences; but has since taken to seperate meetings to avoid that struggle. The irony is that there was and is so little clarity over the nature of the disagreements that at times it appeared that leadership was less a question of ideology and more a popularity contest. I have said it before and I will repeat it now: While I supported the expulsion of BOL from the People's Campaign following their dogmatic, public attack against Curtis Warren, I have come to see that the expulsion has sharpened the antagonisms, and merely repeats the same mistake that BOL made in isolating Curtis, a proven working class leader. With the threat of the email group list expulsions, the error in continuing the historic trend of expulsions to take the place of clear, scientific, ideological and practical struggle among all forces opposed to fascism, and particulary among those opposed to imperialism, has become infinitely evident. The NB Peoples Campaign was intended to be such a formation--a broad united front rooted in the working class, but inclusive of all democratic classes. With these actions, it has taken a giant leap away from that purpose. That the members of NJFO's "majority faction" have helped lead the "mass organization" in this direction is an abandonment of the very principles that we in NJFO once stood for. When this "majority faction" began meeting seperately, essentially splitting the organization, I predicted that the 'whole' could not survive under such conditions. We agreed, however, that the "correctness" of our ideological disagreements (to the extent that members were/are clear on those differences) would be determined in time, and in practice. I believe that this is true; however, and regretably, I also believe that NJFO has played out its historic role, and cannot be revived. I don't believe that this is "splitting" or separtating on my part--as all things must end in order to bring new life and new vitality, I am ready to give up the shell that NJFO has become in order to grow and find a new form. I will continue the important work of rebuilding the newspaper Unity & Struggle, and will seek to find unity with all opposed to imperialism in advancing this project--including remaining members of NJFO, &/or members of BOL/SWORD. And I will continue to support the NB Peoples Campaign and fight for an open and democratic framework reflective of it's still unrealized historic role: a mechanism to bring about a broad LEFT BLOC/United Front. With respect to the good intentions of our progressive friends: ***************Fuck Intellectual Property Rights!!****************** In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
list of new brunswick activities follow: 1. press conferenc with all participating organizations/community members/students. wednesday april18 @3:00pm press is being called to feaster park steps which run along throop ave. all persons/ organizations are encouraged to draft up press statements with organization position and contact info. conference is to announce new brunswick activities and overall raise the atention to march on trenton may16 2. public housing march to defeat racist profiling. sunday april29 @2:00pm march will gather in parking lot of robeson village and travel through the vill and along wright place. march is to promote the activists understanding that public housing tenants are constantly under the GUN because of the national and economical position, and raise the consiousness of public housing tenants to the broader democratic rights struggle, as well as promote march on trenton may16 3. speak out to defeat racist profiling/police brutality. tuesday may1 11:00am-1:00pm. speak out speakers currently include: larry hamm - people's organization for progress joseph mosley - vice-chair New Jersey Green Party joe smith - committee to defeat racist profiling jerusalam - immortal divine family speak out location is brower commons, speak out is to raise funds, as well as campus consciousness, to support march on trenton may16 4. all new brunswick march to defeat racist profiling/police brutality. saturday may 12 @2:00pm. march will gather at the fountain (livingston & george) and will combat racist profiling/police brutality that targets all new brunswick residents. this all new brunswick march will provide a community demand to defeat racist profiling and will raise the consiousness of new brunswick peoples' as well as promote march on trenton may16 to promote these activities people are needed. tasks involve fliering around areas of activities, getting to press conference, promoting activities within personal circles, tabling areas of activities which includes signing people up and distributing literature, get involved with any other local activities and announce these activities that will work to raise the community/campus consciousness and march on trenton may16. for literature, rides, and additional info either reply to coalitionforjustice@egroups.com or contact myself through can_bush@... joe
I encourage folks to check out the progress of Noe Hernandez- a brilliant and rapidly developing Mexican/American artist & personal friend...& look in the 'Interviews' section where I was quite surprised to find my coverage of Noe published in Unity & Struggle newpaper in 1996...(2 years before the 'mainstream' press! ;) -Matt *********************************************************************** Les estoy enviando la actualizaci�n de mi p�gina para que vean lo �ltimo de mi trabajo. Tambi�n quiero aprovechar para mandarles un saludo y darles las gracias por su amistad y apoyo. Gracias a todos ustedes he alcanzado las metas que en un tiempo me propuse. En estos momentos estoy en una nueva etapa de mi trabajo, dando talleres de pintura en la ciudad de Washington. http://www2.gratisweb.com/xolotl_2000/xolotl.html Espero escuchar de ustedes cualquier tipo de cr�tica. Si es una cr�tica dura mucho mejor. Gracias por todo. No�. I am sending the updated version of my web page for you to see the latest of my work. Also, I want to take this opportunity to greet you and thank you for you friendship and support. Thanks to all of you I have reached the goals that I set for myself sometime ago. Right now, I am in a new stage of my career, teaching art (painting) workshops in Washington, D.C. http://www2.gratisweb.com/xolotl_2000/xolotl.html I hope to hear any type of feedback or criticism. The stronger the criticism the better. Thank you for everything. No�. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC) Joe: I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka poem. However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of bigotry. Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are valid? Do you think Jim's comments are justified? As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at the next NBHA meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with regard to its contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" [sic] or an enemy of public housing residents. Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of the elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001, specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign. Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or instead of the elected school board question. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are our > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine. > > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the > elected school board campaign april 28. > > joe > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Free Film Screening and Discussion on the History of Campus Activism @ Rutgers!!! Movie: "Generation Without A Cause" When: Tuesday, April 17th, 8pm Where: Douglass Student Center, Meeting Room C Synopsis of Film: It is actually an old news clip from the 1950's, with Walter Cronkite-and it discusses activism on college campuses. They came to Rutgers and interview some fraternity men and Douglass women. They talk about the problems they face when it comes to motivation, societal standards, peer pressures, etc. The clip also talks about the younger generation who got turned off by everything and became labeled as the "beat" generation (beatnics and so on). It's a really interesting comparison to make between what college kids faced back then with and what we as activists are faced with now. There are more similarities than you would think. Professor Anne Mische from the Sociology Department will also be there to help facilitate the discussion. ...and its FREE!!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
baraka's literature, in those instances, deserve criticism. i am under the impression that he has received criticism as well as self-criticized about those positions against jews. i have seen nothing since i've known him supporting those positions. as for bright: he supports a republican on the board before he supports a resident. that's the fact. and that makes him a theif, as the campaign platform is community control, not to mention that he is in violation of federal law - something a lawyer should be concerned with. joe >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000 > >(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC) > >Joe: > >I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka >poem. However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of >bigotry. Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are >valid? Do you think Jim's comments are justified? > >As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the >housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written >resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at >the next NBHA meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to >vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with >regard to its contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of >Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" >[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents. > >Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of >the elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your >views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001, >specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign. >Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based >instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or >instead of the elected school board question. > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the >spirit of > > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are >not "entirely > > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the >people of > > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, >rather > > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are >our > > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of >public > > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize >the > > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican >machine. > > > > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care >less > > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for >democratic > > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work >on the > > elected school board campaign april 28. > > > > joe > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality For Immediate Release Contact Joe Smith 732.729.0390 can_bush@... 211 Redmond St. #2 New Brunswick, NJ Press Conference to announce list of New Brunswick activities to Defeat Racist Profiling: Press conference with all participating organizations/community members/ RU students. Wednesday April18 @3:00pm press is being called to Feaster Park steps which run along Throop Ave. All New Brunswick persons & organizations are being encouraged to draft up press statements with organization position and contact info. Conference is to announce New Brunswick activities and overall raise the attention to march on Trenton may16 1. Public housing March to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality. Sunday April 29 @2:00pm. March will gather in parking lot of Robeson Village and travel through the villa and along Wright place. March is to promote the activists understanding that public housing tenants (especially in light of the Project tenants' situation)are constantly under the GUN because of their national and economic position. We must work to raise the consciousness of public housing tenants to the broader democratic rights struggle, as well as promote March on Trenton may16 2. Speak out to defeat racist profiling/police brutality. Tuesday May1 11:00am-1: 00pm. Speak out speakers currently include: Larry Hamm -People's Organization for Progress Joseph Mosley - vice-chair New Jersey Green Party Joe Smith - committee to defeat racist profiling Jerusalam - immortal divine family Location is Brower Commons, speak out is to raise funds, as well as Rutgers' Students' consciousness about Racist Profiling & Police Brutality, and to support March on Trenton May16 throughout the state university. 3. All New Brunswick March to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality Saturday April12 2:00pm. March will gather at the fountain (Livingston & George) and will combat racist profiling & police brutality that targets all New Brunswick residents. This all New Brunswick March will organize around & promote community demands to defeat racist profiling and will raise the consciousness of New Brunswick peoples' as well as promote March on Trenton may16 Organizations already committed to attend events: 1. Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy 2. James Dickson CARR Society, Rutgers 3. NB Peoples' Campaign 4. NB Coalition Against Police Brutality 5. Sisterhood & Struggle 6. NJ Greens Party, Vice Chair 7. NB Community Arts Mural Project
to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...
the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01,
specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?
1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an
elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community
control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that goal
given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and
therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community
control.
2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united
fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything
forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.
3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new brunswick
ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed school
board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in
our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the eyes
of its supporters.
4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our
campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the
ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth
down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain
one - vote yes elected school board
two - vote mcgreasy
the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote
mcgreasy.
II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his
campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
(nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford
to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the
campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city
council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the
community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the
way to build.
IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!
5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their
schools.
6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in
the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a week
beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from nbpc
get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a
week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and
addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we registered
to vote last year (these
would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)
7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
not work on it....
joe smith
>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000
>
>(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
>
>Joe:
>
>I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka
>poem. However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of
>bigotry. Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are
>valid? Do you think Jim's comments are justified?
>
>As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
>housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written
>resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at
>the next NBHA meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to
>vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with
>regard to its contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of
>Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif"
>[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.
>
>Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of
>the elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your
>views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.
>Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based
>instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or
>instead of the elected school board question.
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the
>spirit of
> > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are
>not "entirely
> > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the
>people of
> > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him,
>rather
> > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are
>our
> > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of
>public
> > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize
>the
> > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican
>machine.
> >
> > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care
>less
> > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for
>democratic
> > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work
>on the
> > elected school board campaign april 28.
> >
> > joe
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN Press Secretary P.O. Box 131♦ New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ♦ 732/735-1342 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CONDEMNS CITY ASSAULT ON TENANT RIGHTS NEW BRUNSWICK, April 17, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign today issued the following statement: On April 18, 2001, the New Brunswick City Council will consider a new ordinance affecting tenants and landlords in the Hub City. This proposal, however, is nothing less than a vicious attack on the economic and privacy rights of tenants. Moreover, the excessive legal and administrative burdens placed on landlords under the proposal's terms also make it unjust. For these reasons, the New Brunswick People's Campaign opposes the ordinance. The most objectionable feature to the ordinance is a requirement that a landlord make detailed information about her tenants publicly available at least once a year, or whenever there is a change in occupancy in the rented premises. Specifically, the landlord is required to disclose the names and sleeping arrangements of all tenants in the unit. The ordinance contains no provisions for keeping this information confidential. These disclosures make public the most intimate details of a tenant's family life. These abhorrent provisions smack more of a police state, where government keeps tabs on all its citizens, not a freedom-loving country like the United States. Another provision of the ordinance states that any person who has been twice convicted of a noise ordinance violation must be evicted and cannot be rented to again in New Brunswick for life. This provision is illegal for a number of reasons. First, the city council is attempting to increase the punishment for a petty violation from a mere fine to lifetime banishment (at least as a tenant) from the City of New Brunswick. This provision also attempts to take the question of tenant evictions, a matter within the jurisdiction of the New Jersey Superior Court, and make it a matter of a narrow-minded municipal law. The pre-emption doctrine bars this. Yet another section of the ordinance allows law enforcement officials from the city's division of inspections to enter and search a tenant's dwelling on 48 hours' notice. The ordinance contains no standards for initiating non-periodic inspections and therefore vests excessive discretion in inspectors. More problematic, however, is that these searches can be done without a judge's oversight, as would be the case if a warrant were required. The ordinance is also simultaneously over-inclusive and under- inclusive in its coverage. It affects all rental units in New Brunswick, even those of three or more units, which are already subject to extensive regulation by the State. We question the need for doubling the demands placed on landlords, who will incur additional cost and expense with these provisions, possibly passing these costs on to tenants. It is underinclusive, however, in that it exempts all public housing units from its coverage. By excluding these units, the city government is saying to public housing tenants that the city will offer them no protection from unsafe living conditions. This proposal promotes an antidemocratic way of life in New Brunswick. Its onerous provisions hurt landlords but they are even more of an attack on community members who cannot afford to own, and hence, are part of New Brunswick's rental market. Such community members will have to surrender substantial rights if this ordinance is passed and as such, NBPC vigorously opposes the ordinance. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Flavio Komuves - 732/261-3163 -30-
NICE GOOD POINTS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Did you cop that line from a Bret Shundler ad? TRACYFORD1420@... wrote: > FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER > BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT > PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION > TRACY FORD > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
why run the elected board campaign this year? mcgreasy lost in '97 by 25,000 votes. he demands 100% anti-republican effort. the entire nj dem machine is lined up to support him. nb democrats cannot fight the republicans statewide, and simultaneously fight the people locally, without jeapordizing mcgreasy's governor campaign. the national democratic party cannot lose this nj election. nor can the people. the nb democrats will be nuetralized on a local school board race, as their 100% focus must be on trenton for mcgreasy & egan. roosevelt school scored 12.6% passing on '01 proficiency test. unite, don't split! >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:24 -0400 > >to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion... > >the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01, >specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign? > >1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an >elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community >control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that >goal >given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and >therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community >control. > >2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all >of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united >fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything >forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly. > >3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new >brunswick >ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed >school >board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in >our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the >eyes >of its supporters. > >4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our >campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the >ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth >down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls: > I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain >one - vote yes elected school board > two - vote mcgreasy > the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote >mcgreasy. > II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as > we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for > governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his >campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their > energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate. > (nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the > state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school > board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford >to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the >campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error. > III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city > council seats, if we win the elected school board this year, > it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and > city council. the campaign for the elected school board would > be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city > council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the > community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the > way to build. > IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the > democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected > school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i > will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen! > >5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back >into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of >the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then >the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize >amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their >schools. > >6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in >the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a >week >beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from >nbpc >get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a >week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and >addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we >registered >to vote last year (these >would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign) > >7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does >not work on it.... > > >joe smith > > >From: Groovemeister007@... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000 > > > >(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC) > > > >Joe: > > > >I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka > >poem. However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of > >bigotry. Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are > >valid? Do you think Jim's comments are justified? > > > >As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the > >housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written > >resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at > >the next NBHA meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to > >vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with > >regard to its contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of > >Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" > >[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents. > > > >Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of > >the elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your > >views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001, > >specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign. > >Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based > >instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or > >instead of the elected school board question. > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the > >spirit of > > > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are > >not "entirely > > > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the > >people of > > > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, > >rather > > > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are > >our > > > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of > >public > > > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize > >the > > > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican > >machine. > > > > > > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care > >less > > > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for > >democratic > > > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work > >on the > > > elected school board campaign april 28. > > > > > > joe > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
well done flavio & peoples campaign. community control over housing! rent control! >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Press release- ordinance regarding tenants >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:03 -0000 > >NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN >Press Secretary >P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ? 732/735-1342 > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > >NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN >CONDEMNS CITY ASSAULT ON TENANT RIGHTS > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 17, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign >today issued the following statement: > > On April 18, 2001, the New Brunswick City Council will >consider a new ordinance affecting tenants and landlords in the Hub >City. This proposal, however, is nothing less than a vicious attack >on the economic and privacy rights of tenants. Moreover, the >excessive legal and administrative burdens placed on landlords under >the proposal's terms also make it unjust. For these reasons, the New >Brunswick People's Campaign opposes the ordinance. > > The most objectionable feature to the ordinance is a >requirement that a landlord make detailed information about her >tenants publicly available at least once a year, or whenever there is >a change in occupancy in the rented premises. Specifically, the >landlord is required to disclose the names and sleeping arrangements >of all tenants in the unit. The ordinance contains no provisions for >keeping this information confidential. These disclosures make public >the most intimate details of a tenant's family life. These abhorrent >provisions smack more of a police state, where government keeps tabs >on all its citizens, not a freedom-loving country like the United >States. > > Another provision of the ordinance states that any person who >has been twice convicted of a noise ordinance violation must be >evicted and cannot be rented to again in New Brunswick for life. >This provision is illegal for a number of reasons. First, the city >council is attempting to increase the punishment for a petty >violation from a mere fine to lifetime banishment (at least as a >tenant) from the City of New Brunswick. This provision also attempts >to take the question of tenant evictions, a matter within the >jurisdiction of the New Jersey Superior Court, and make it a matter >of a narrow-minded municipal law. The pre-emption doctrine bars this. > > Yet another section of the ordinance allows law enforcement >officials from the city's division of inspections to enter and search >a tenant's dwelling on 48 hours' notice. The ordinance contains no >standards for initiating non-periodic inspections and therefore vests >excessive discretion in inspectors. More problematic, however, is >that these searches can be done without a judge's oversight, as would >be the case if a warrant were required. > > The ordinance is also simultaneously over-inclusive and under- >inclusive in its coverage. It affects all rental units in New >Brunswick, even those of three or more units, which are already >subject to extensive regulation by the State. We question the need >for doubling the demands placed on landlords, who will incur >additional cost and expense with these provisions, possibly passing >these costs on to tenants. It is underinclusive, however, in that it >exempts all public housing units from its coverage. By excluding >these units, the city government is saying to public housing tenants >that the city will offer them no protection from unsafe living >conditions. > > This proposal promotes an antidemocratic way of life in New >Brunswick. Its onerous provisions hurt landlords but they are even >more of an attack on community members who cannot afford to own, and >hence, are part of New Brunswick's rental market. Such community >members will have to surrender substantial rights if this ordinance >is passed and as such, NBPC vigorously opposes the ordinance. > > > > > FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Flavio Komuves - 732/261-3163 > > > >-30- > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
ok curtis. good look. >From: citruswar@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:12:46 EDT > >NICE GOOD POINTS. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
ha. >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] rain coats >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:42:25 -0400 > >Did you cop that line from a Bret Shundler ad? > >TRACYFORD1420@... wrote: > > > FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER > > BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT > > PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION > > TRACY FORD > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
tues. night: sit-in at targum office demanding apology for printing white supremacist, anti-reparations editorial. spread word & line up support. speak-out against racist profiling & police brutality, 1 may, brower commons, 11am.
Bigotry? That's a tall accusation. 1) I didn't say Christians are weak. Look again. I said "or"; not "and." Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians are weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list? Derrrrr. 2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's adherents are out of touch with reality. Please read section X of David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding." The part "On Miracles." Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with. I'm tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in any way shape or form. 3) This is not the campaign list anymore. If you must criticize me, do so. But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or saying something that the campaign "is not about." 4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry? Call it what it is. RACIST. 5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted. I wholeheartedly apologize for my message, because it was confusing. I was just making a point that you have to argue for an opinion. None of us should be in the habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone. I for one have not been convinced of the argument for reparations. Come to think of it, neither have most black people or members of the working class, evidentally. I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them. Maybe the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree with BOL on this issue. Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact. Maybe like Spanish Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the heathen world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and the Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self- Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial power). 6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"? Why not Slim Jim? That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim. And, like, my name is Jim too!! :D Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM LUCENO, DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT? You know, you really hold back too much with your polemics. You should allow yourself some catharsis. Let some of that anger out. You're so darn reserved! Jim --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > Friends: > > Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against the > basic spirit of unity in the Campaign. In that vein, I am entirely > outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have > chosen to express bigoted views on this board. Specifically, > > Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak, > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality." (message 1454) > > Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka): "We want poems > like fists beating niggers out of Jocks > or dagger poems in the slimy bellies > of the owner-jews. .... Another bad poem cracking > steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth." (message 1381). > > > Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about. Gentlemen, > please explain yourselves!! > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote: > > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German > > Shepherds? This is not an esoteric point. > > > > "I don't ally myself with facts. SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!" > > > > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT. Your responses amount to, "No, you're > > wrong. Fuck you." This is why I have given up on these useless > back- > > and-forths. You have yet to write one argument against what I am > > saying. Yes, I know you support the black nation. Yes, I know you > > believe in reparations. Yes I know you believe in self- > > determination. > > > > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone? Who > told > > you this stuff anyway? You got these ideas from somewhere. > > > > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely > weak, > > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality. Please convince me of > your > > view. I would like to be part of your hip herd, really. But not > > before I hear a convincing argument. > > > > Let's start: Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*? > > > > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond > > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to > > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian. You have the > > line of Idi Amin. > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > wrote: > > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because > slavery > > > >was abolished". > > > > > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation > emphasizes > > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of > belonging > > to > > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > > >totalitarianism." --jim luceno > > > > > > keith, care to ally yrself with this? > > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, > > and all > > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies. > > > > > > > > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick > my > > ass if I > > > made this argument on the street outside my house" j-low > > > > > > ^^^this is a lie.^^^ > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000 > > > > > > > >Joe -- > > > > > > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can > > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. > > > > > > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to > > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because > slavery > > > >was abolished. > > > > > > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is > > racism > > > >and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. > > That's > > > >absurd. They're impoverished because of racism. > > > > > > > >What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw > money > > > >at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black people > > care > > > >about is getting cash for slavery? > > > > > > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self- > > > >determination. What are the boundaries that form the black > nation? > > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral > > > >connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? You're > > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? > What > > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs? > > > > > > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a > > phenomenon > > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One- sidedeness > is > > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation > is. > > > > > > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the > > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does not > > mean > > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage. > > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation > emphasizes > > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of > belonging > > to > > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > > >totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, > > you're > > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs me > > up. > > > >It abandons you. > > > > > > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL > > > >conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other list > you > > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this > > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you > > do... > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? > do > > you > > > >think > > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think > > students of > > > > > segregation should be repaid for education? > > > > > > > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you > > can > > > >agree > > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it > > being > > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the > > arguements > > > >that you > > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to > > > >underrstand what > > > > > you think. > > > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D > > and > > > > > >Repartaions and Jim > > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was > actaully > > > >moving > > > > > >forward, and > > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning > > to. > > > >For > > > > > >insatnce when he > > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre- > > modern > > > >classes" > > > > > >taking > > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of > > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US > > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in > democratic > > > >anti-feudal > > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. > > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan > is > > an > > > > > >ultra-left error and > > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are against > > > >reparations > > > > > >that's why > > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have > > it. To > > > >say that > > > > > >Jim's > > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not > call > > him > > > >a Klans > > > > > >man) is > > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people > rather > > > >than > > > > > >organize them. > > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers > > closer > > > >togther > > > > > >towards > > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards > > > >disunity. > > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say > I > > had > > > >a line > > > > > >analgous to > > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would > > you > > > >expect Jim > > > > > >to do > > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan > educate > > him > > > >or > > > > > >change his mind > > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? > > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of > which > > the > > > >attack > > > > > >on Curtis is > > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it > creates > > an > > > >enemy > > > > > >where there > > > > > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra- left > > line > > > >and its > > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat > force > > > >towards > > > > > >uniting > > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will > go a > > > >long way in > > > > > > defeating > > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that > > dominates > > > >NJFO and > > > > > >the People's > > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with > people > > > >like Jim and > > > > > >Curtis (to > > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one > will > > be > > > >organized > > > > > >and we will > > > > > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a good > > > >vehicle to > > > > > >bring > > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an > > excuse > > > >to force > > > > > >people to > > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of > > > >imperialsim. > > > > > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the > > destruction > > > >of > > > > > >national > > > > > > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying > > your > > > >right to > > > > > >it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood > > only > > > > > >economically, > > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling > > national > > > > > >governments. > > > > > > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national > > > >oppression of > > > > > >Black > > > > > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb > > Blacks/Latinos > > > >are not > > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was > diallo > > > >obliterated > > > > > >for > > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james > byrd > > by > > > >poor > > > > > >whites? > > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, > > jobs? > > > >the > > > > > >vast, > > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) > > > >south? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from > > Afro- > > > >America, > > > > > >but > > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its > > > >economic, > > > > > >political, > > > > > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of benny > > > >goodman to > > > > > >jazz, > > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who > > profit$ > > > >from > > > > > >these > > > > > > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with > > > >dubois "black > > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to > some > > > >charles > > > > > >mingus. > > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national > > self- > > > > > > > >determination & > > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources. your > > > >celebrated "modernism" is > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real > value > > > >from one > > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of > > national > > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in > > the > > > >U.S. and > > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book > and > > Huey > > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say that > if > > > >you like, > > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and > > > >industrialization has > > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are > > stealing > > > >national > > > > > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor power. > > > >I'll agree > > > > > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a > class > > > >question, > > > > > > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. however > > > >democracy > > > > > > > >means those > > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & > > the > > > >US urban > > > > > > > >centers, > > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations > > have > > > >the > > > > > > > >right to > > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in > which > > > >they are > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, > > which > > > >they > > > > > > > >have never > > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all > > Black > > > >peoples > > > > > > > >in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at > the > > > >grassroots > > > > > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of > > > >*race*? Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that > identify > > > >themselves > > > > > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your > > brother's > > > >word) > > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom > > want to > > > >form > > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. > > > >Should they > > > > > > > >be allowed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local > > > >government > > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what > > have > > > >you) > > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say > what > > > >you will > > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least > > they > > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More > than > > > >what the > > > > > > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working > > class > > > >along > > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain > people > > are > > > >unique > > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of > > cultural > > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot > > > >understand, > > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity > > garbage > > > >is what > > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin > > spouts > > > >before > > > > > > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? > > Let's > > > >be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at > sanford > > st > > > >& demand > > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, > > > >which is the > > > > > > > >heart of > > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to > > solve > > > > > > > >problems". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a > > > >community > > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit > there. > > Or > > > >better > > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is your > > self- > > > > > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an > > > >international > > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all > lines. > > Class > > > > > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat imperialism, > > then > > > >we can > > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we > need > > > >something > > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of > > the > > > > > > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by > > > >fascist > > > > > > > >terror. the > > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes- > > tilden > > > > > > > >scheme. where > > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the > > > >return of > > > > > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the > > > >southern > > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced > > > >Reconstruction > > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. > > > >army, that > > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self- > > > >determination. > > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who > > could > > > >have > > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you > > don't > > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of > > federal > > > >force? > > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it > away > > > >because it > > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The > line > > is > > > >drawn > > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap > the > > > >harvest. > > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. > > Progress > > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part > of > > > >human-kind > > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the > > > > > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and > real > > > >political > > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You > > forget > > > >about > > > > > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for history > > class > > > >about > > > > > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, > because > > the > > > >idea > > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly > the > > > >idea we > > > > > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of the > > > > > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being a > > part > > > >of > > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. > > > >Because you > > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once > > > >redevelopment > > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into > > enclaves > > > >in the > > > > > > > >suburbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the > power > > of > > > >the > > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by > > > >balkanizing > > > > > > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of > nation: > > > >common > > > > > > > >geographic > > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put > > forward > > > >first by > > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think > about > > how > > > >Joe > > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination > for > > > >Lenin, and > > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of > satellites > > > >after the > > > > > > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against > > > >patriarchy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against > > > >capital! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of > > > >Sandford St. > > > > > > > >down > > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self- > > > >determination. I'm > > > > > > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm > down > > > >with radical > > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But > > where do > > > >you get > > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self- > determination > > and > > > > > > > >reparations > > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" > > > ><cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic > > democratic > > > >rights and > > > > > > > > > >the only > > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white > supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's > > Campaign, I > > > >am not > > > > > > > > > >convinced > > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. That > > is, I > > > >have not > > > > > > > > > >heard > > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the > only > > > >arguments I > > > > > > > >can > > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by > arguments > > > >against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted > on > > a > > > >statement > > > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. If > the > > > >debate came > > > > > > > > > >up, I > > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, > I > > > >cannot > > > > > > > >condone > > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for > > > >the "black > > > > > > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed > > self- > > > > > > > >determination > > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated > > debate > > > >over the > > > > > > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's > > > >Campaign or > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. > Since > > we > > > >have > > > > > > > >never had > > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you > > think > > > >it > > > > > > > >belongs > > > > > > > > > >in a > > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something > we > > are > > > >against > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" > > > ><can_bush@h...> > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the > Black > > > >Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK > > PEOPLE'S > > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.O. 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New > > > >Brunswick, > > > > > > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR > > > >VERNIERO'S > > > > > > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New > > Brunswick > > > >People's > > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick > > residents > > > >and > > > > > > > >their > > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents > > from all > > > > > > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following > > > >statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) > > > >warmly > > > > > > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the > > New > > > >Jersey > > > > > > > >State > > > > > > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme > Court > > > >Justice > > > > > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial > > > >profiling and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people > of > > > >color, > > > > > > > >commits > > > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed by > > > >swift and > > > > > > > >severe > > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their > > > >superiors who > > > > > > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be > > > >consistent > > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the > Senate > > > >Judiciary > > > > > > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's > > > >satisfaction, that > > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial > > profiling > > > >in the > > > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this > > > >hateful > > > > > > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign > further > > > >calls > > > > > > > >upon the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a > resolution > > > >calling for > > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the > bipartisan > > > >group of > > > > > > > > > >senators > > > > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at long > > last, > > > >been > > > > > > > >revealed > > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary > > > >Committee's > > > > > > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is > now > > more > > > >acute > > > > > > > >than > > > > > > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, > > and > > > >believes > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically > > elected > > > > > > > >civilian > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end > to > > the > > > >hate > > > > > > > >crimes > > > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people > of > > > >color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State > > Legislature is > > > > > > > >already > > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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To whom it may concern: The Douglass College Government Association passed this resolution opposing the New Brunswick City Council's proposed rent ordinance at its meeting of Tuesday, April 17. DCGA is taking a stand against the ordinance, which will be voted on at Wednesday night's city council meeting, because it is highly invasive and intrusive upon privacy rights and contains onerous restrictions on renting in relation to noise violations. This proposed legislation is dangerous to tenants' rights and students' ability to live in their city. For more information on the resolution and DCGA's stand against the ordinance, I may be contacted at 373-7853, or ckates@.... Sincerely, Charlotte L. Kates Class of 2002 Representative, DCGA RESOLUTION IN OPPOSITION TO PROPOSED CITY COUNCIL RENT ORDINANCE DC-00-01-24 Whereas, the New Brunswick City Council will consider on Wednesday, April 18 a proposed ordinance concerning rental agreements in the City of New Brunswick, and Whereas, numerous Douglass College students live in off-campus housing, most frequently through rental agreements with landlords, and Whereas, the Douglass College Government Association (DCGA) represents those Douglass students living in off-campus housing, and Whereas, the proposed ordinance would require landlords to divulge the names and occupancy arrangements of all tenants of their property every time occupancy changes, upon the signing of a new lease agreement, or at least once per year, and Whereas, this information would be publicly available and no provisions are contained in the ordinance for privacy protection of the intimate details of renters' living arrangements, and Whereas, tenants who violate occupancy restrictions would be required to be evicted within 30 days, and Whereas, the ordinance would also require that any tenant more than twice convicted of a noise ordinance violation must be evicted and never again allowed to rent in the City of New Brunswick, and Whereas, the student governing associations have been working to address issues in the City of New Brunswick over the past year, and Whereas, these issues are of major concern to the thousands of renters in the City of New Brunswick, including numerous Douglass College Students; Therefore, be it resolved, that the DCGA stands in opposition to this proposed ordinance, as it is an egregious violation of the privacy rights and needs of New Brunswick renters, including many students, and Be it further resolved, that the DCGA avows that renters should not be required to make publicly available sensitive information relating to their place of residence and living circumstances merely because they are tenants and not property owners, and Be it further resolved, that the DCGA condemns any such ordinance which places undue burden on students and others who cannot afford to purchase property, and Be it further resolved, that the DCGA notes with concern that students are often subject to police surveillance and noise citations and therefore stands in opposition to the section of the proposed ordinance which would turn a misdemeanor offense into a lifetime sentence of banishment from the City of New Brunswick, and Be it finally resolved, that the DCGA upholds the right of tenants to privacy in their own homes and to freedom from onerous noise ordinance penalties, is firmly opposed to any ordinance of the City Council which would deny renters the rights and privileges due them, and calls on the City Council to defeat this proposed ordinance in its meeting of Wednesday, April 18. Respectfully Submitted, Charlotte L. Kates Class of 2002 Representative CC: Resolution List New Brunswick City Council Star-Ledger Home News Tribune
>From: jmluceno@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Bigoted? >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:35:59 -0000 > >Bigotry? That's a tall accusation. > >1) I didn't say Christians are weak. Look again. I said "or"; >not "and." Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians are >weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list? >Derrrrr. > >2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's >adherents are out of touch with reality. Please read section X of >David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding." The part "On >Miracles." Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with. I'm >tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a >certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in >any way shape or form. > >3) This is not the campaign list anymore. If you must criticize me, >do so. But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or >saying something that the campaign "is not about." > >4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry? Call it what it is. >RACIST. > >5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted. I wholeheartedly apologize >for my message, because it was confusing. I was just making a point >that you have to argue for an opinion. None of us should be in the >habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone. I for one have >not been convinced of the argument for reparations. Come to think of >it, neither have most black people or members of the working class, >evidentally. I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them. Maybe >the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree >with BOL on this issue. Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are >Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact. Maybe like Spanish >Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the heathen >world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and the >Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self- >Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial >power). > >6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"? Why not Slim >Jim? That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim. And, >like, my name is Jim too!! :D Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM LUCENO, >DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT? You know, you really hold back >too much with your polemics. You should allow yourself some >catharsis. Let some of that anger out. You're so darn reserved! > >Jim > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > Friends: > > > > Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against >the > > basic spirit of unity in the Campaign. In that vein, I am entirely > > outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have > > chosen to express bigoted views on this board. Specifically, > > > > Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak, > > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality." (message 1454) > > > > Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka): "We want poems > > like fists beating niggers out of Jocks > > or dagger poems in the slimy bellies > > of the owner-jews. .... Another bad poem cracking > > steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth." (message 1381). > > > > > > Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about. Gentlemen, > > please explain yourselves!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote: > > > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German > > > Shepherds? This is not an esoteric point. > > > > > > "I don't ally myself with facts. SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!" > > > > > > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT. Your responses amount to, "No, you're > > > wrong. Fuck you." This is why I have given up on these useless > > back- > > > and-forths. You have yet to write one argument against what I am > > > saying. Yes, I know you support the black nation. Yes, I know >you > > > believe in reparations. Yes I know you believe in self- > > > determination. > > > > > > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone? Who > > told > > > you this stuff anyway? You got these ideas from somewhere. > > > > > > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely > > weak, > > > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality. Please convince me of > > your > > > view. I would like to be part of your hip herd, really. But not > > > before I hear a convincing argument. > > > > > > Let's start: Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*? > > > > > > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you >respond > > > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to > > > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian. You have the > > > line of Idi Amin. > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have >to > > > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because > > slavery > > > > >was abolished". > > > > > > > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation > > emphasizes > > > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of > > belonging > > > to > > > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > > > >totalitarianism." --jim luceno > > > > > > > > keith, care to ally yrself with this? > > > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black >nation, > > > and all > > > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies. > > > > > > > > > > > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help >kick > > my > > > ass if I > > > > made this argument on the street outside my house" j-low > > > > > > > > ^^^this is a lie.^^^ > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Joe -- > > > > > > > > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I >can > > > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago. > > > > > > > > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have >to > > > > >slavery? None. There is no immediate connection, because > > slavery > > > > >was abolished. > > > > > > > > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is > > > racism > > > > >and capitalism. They aren't impoverished because of slavery. > > > That's > > > > >absurd. They're impoverished because of racism. > > > > > > > > > >What are you going to do about racism? You're going to throw > > money > > > > >at it. Great. Are you *really* that cynical? All black >people > > > care > > > > >about is getting cash for slavery? > > > > > > > > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self- > > > > >determination. What are the boundaries that form the black > > nation? > > > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral > > > > >connection to? What do you mean by "community control"? >You're > > > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities? > > What > > > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs? > > > > > > > > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101. You cannot isolate a > > > phenomenon > > > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided. One- >sidedeness > > is > > > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation > > is. > > > > > > > > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of >the > > > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production. It does >not > > > mean > > > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral >heritage. > > > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation > > emphasizes > > > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of > > belonging > > > to > > > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even > > > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports > > > > >totalitarianism. If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, > > > you're > > > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history. History backs >me > > > up. > > > > >It abandons you. > > > > > > > > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a >UNIVERSAL > > > > >conception of culture. Do you recognize it? On the other >list > > you > > > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this > > > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt >you > > > do... > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? > > do > > > you > > > > >think > > > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think > > > students of > > > > > > segregation should be repaid for education? > > > > > > > > > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that >you > > > can > > > > >agree > > > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it > > > being > > > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the > > > arguements > > > > >that you > > > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to > > > > >underrstand what > > > > > > you think. > > > > > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self >D > > > and > > > > > > >Repartaions and Jim > > > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was > > actaully > > > > >moving > > > > > > >forward, and > > > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even >meaning > > > to. > > > > >For > > > > > > >insatnce when he > > > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre- > > > modern > > > > >classes" > > > > > > >taking > > > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship >of > > > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US > > > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in > > democratic > > > > >anti-feudal > > > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point. > > > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the >Klan > > is > > > an > > > > > > >ultra-left error and > > > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all, most people are >against > > > > >reparations > > > > > > >that's why > > > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already >have > > > it. To > > > > >say that > > > > > > >Jim's > > > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not > > call > > > him > > > > >a Klans > > > > > > >man) is > > > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people > > rather > > > > >than > > > > > > >organize them. > > > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers > > > closer > > > > >togther > > > > > > >towards > > > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards > > > > >disunity. > > > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to >say > > I > > > had > > > > >a line > > > > > > >analgous to > > > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why >would > > > you > > > > >expect Jim > > > > > > >to do > > > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan > > educate > > > him > > > > >or > > > > > > >change his mind > > > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate? > > > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of > > which > > > the > > > > >attack > > > > > > >on Curtis is > > > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it > > creates > > > an > > > > >enemy > > > > > > >where there > > > > > > >was/should/could be an ally. The defeat of this ultra- >left > > > line > > > > >and its > > > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat > > force > > > > >towards > > > > > > >uniting > > > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will > > go a > > > > >long way in > > > > > > > defeating > > > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that > > > dominates > > > > >NJFO and > > > > > > >the People's > > > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with > > people > > > > >like Jim and > > > > > > >Curtis (to > > > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one > > will > > > be > > > > >organized > > > > > > >and we will > > > > > > >have 5 organizations for four people. Discussion is a >good > > > > >vehicle to > > > > > > >bring > > > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an > > > excuse > > > > >to force > > > > > > >people to > > > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of > > > > >imperialsim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the > > > destruction > > > > >of > > > > > > >national > > > > > > > > "soveriegnty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from >denying > > > your > > > > >right to > > > > > > >it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be >understood > > > only > > > > > > >economically, > > > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling > > > national > > > > > > >governments. > > > > > > > > else why eliminate allende? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national > > > > >oppression of > > > > > > >Black > > > > > > > > America. j&j steals from everyone equally? nb > > > Blacks/Latinos > > > > >are not > > > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was > > diallo > > > > >obliterated > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james > > byrd > > > by > > > > >poor > > > > > > >whites? > > > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, >education, > > > jobs? > > > > >the > > > > > > >vast, > > > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic >Nation) > > > > >south? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from > > > Afro- > > > > >America, > > > > > > >but > > > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value". impedes its > > > > >economic, > > > > > > >political, > > > > > > > > & cultural development. what is the relationship of >benny > > > > >goodman to > > > > > > >jazz, > > > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson? who > > > profit$ > > > > >from > > > > > > >these > > > > > > > > Black national markets? sony? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start >with > > > > >dubois "black > > > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to > > some > > > > >charles > > > > > > >mingus. > > > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of >national > > > self- > > > > > > > > >determination & > > > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources. your > > > > >celebrated "modernism" is > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No. The basis of imperialism is the removal of real > > value > > > > >from one > > > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another. Loss of > > > national > > > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations >in > > > the > > > > >U.S. and > > > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist." I read Fanon's book > > and > > > Huey > > > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it. I mean, you can say >that > > if > > > > >you like, > > > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful. Manufacture and > > > > >industrialization has > > > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What do you want to say? Corporations like J&J are > > > stealing > > > > >national > > > > > > > > >resources from blacks? Fine, say J&J steals labor >power. > > > > >I'll agree > > > > > > > > >to that. But they don't just do it blacks. That's a > > class > > > > >question, > > > > > > > > >not a race question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st. >however > > > > >democracy > > > > > > > > >means those > > > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st >& > > > the > > > > >US urban > > > > > > > > >centers, > > > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne >Nations > > > have > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >right to > > > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in > > which > > > > >they are > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the >US, > > > which > > > > >they > > > > > > > > >have never > > > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of >all > > > Black > > > > >peoples > > > > > > > > >in US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Alright. So you're talking about political control at > > the > > > > >grassroots > > > > > > > > >level. I can agree with that too. But on the basis of > > > > >*race*? Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that > > identify > > > > >themselves > > > > > > > > >as a "nation"? Let's say the dingbats (to use your > > > brother's > > > > >word) > > > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom > > > want to > > > > >form > > > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what. > > > > >Should they > > > > > > > > >be allowed to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of >local > > > > >government > > > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, >what > > > have > > > > >you) > > > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive. Say > > what > > > > >you will > > > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at >least > > > they > > > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south. More > > than > > > > >what the > > > > > > > > >state governments would have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working > > > class > > > > >along > > > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines. The idea that a certain > > people > > > are > > > > >unique > > > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of > > > cultural > > > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* >cannot > > > > >understand, > > > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism. The cultural identity > > > garbage > > > > >is what > > > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi >Amin > > > spouts > > > > >before > > > > > > > > >sending people to the camps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Look. Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian? > > > Let's > > > > >be real. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at > > sanford > > > st > > > > >& demand > > > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j >dictatorship, > > > > >which is the > > > > > > > > >heart of > > > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j >to > > > solve > > > > > > > > >problems". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then. They'll go to a > > > > >community > > > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit > > there. > > > Or > > > > >better > > > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country. What good is >your > > > self- > > > > > > > > >determination, then? That's why you need to have an > > > > >international > > > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all > > lines. > > > Class > > > > > > > > >alignment has to be first. Once we defeat >imperialism, > > > then > > > > >we can > > > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff. Until then, we > > need > > > > >something > > > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest >of > > > the > > > > > > > > >proletariat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction >by > > > > >fascist > > > > > > > > >terror. the > > > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 >hayes- > > > tilden > > > > > > > > >scheme. where > > > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yep. Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than >the > > > > >return of > > > > > > > > >power to the states. Putting power in the hands of the > > > > >southern > > > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Face it. If the United States government had enforced > > > > >Reconstruction > > > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the >U.S. > > > > >army, that > > > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self- > > > > >determination. > > > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide >who > > > could > > > > >have > > > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you > > > don't > > > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of > > > federal > > > > >force? > > > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it > > away > > > > >because it > > > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Screw that. We have to move forward, not back. The > > line > > > is > > > > >drawn > > > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to >reap > > the > > > > >harvest. > > > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location. > > > Progress > > > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the >part > > of > > > > >human-kind > > > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is >the > > > > > > > > >proletariat. Period. If you want real democracy and > > real > > > > >political > > > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it. You > > > forget > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >the "religious" differences. Save religion for >history > > > class > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >the middle ages. Forget about color differences, > > because > > > the > > > > >idea > > > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly > > the > > > > >idea we > > > > > > > > >want to get rid of. It is, as you would say, part of >the > > > > > > > > >superstructure. And forget about the feeling of being >a > > > part > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something. > > > > >Because you > > > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once > > > > >redevelopment > > > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into > > > enclaves > > > > >in the > > > > > > > > >suburbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the > > power > > > of > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together. How do you propose to do that by > > > > >balkanizing > > > > > > > > >the United States? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of > > nation: > > > > >common > > > > > > > > >geographic > > > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put > > > forward > > > > >first by > > > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh irony. You know, it always kills me when I think > > about > > > how > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination > > for > > > > >Lenin, and > > > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of > > satellites > > > > >after the > > > > > > > > >war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against > > > > >patriarchy! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against > > > > >capital! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of > > > > >Sandford St. > > > > > > > > >down > > > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self- > > > > >determination. I'm > > > > > > > > > > >not following. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights. Hell, I'm > > down > > > > >with radical > > > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones. But > > > where do > > > > >you get > > > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self- > > determination > > > and > > > > > > > > >reparations > > > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" > > > > ><cliffsmith69@h...> > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic > > > democratic > > > > >rights and > > > > > > > > > > >the only > > > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national >equality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white > > supremacist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's > > > Campaign, I > > > > >am not > > > > > > > > > > >convinced > > > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery. >That > > > is, I > > > > >have not > > > > > > > > > > >heard > > > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the > > only > > > > >arguments I > > > > > > > > >can > > > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by > > arguments > > > > >against it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never >voted > > on > > > a > > > > >statement > > > > > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination. >If > > the > > > > >debate came > > > > > > > > > > >up, I > > > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political >radicalism, > > I > > > > >cannot > > > > > > > > >condone > > > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for > > > > >the "black > > > > > > > > > > >nation." I > > > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign >endorsed > > > self- > > > > > > > > >determination > > > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated > > > debate > > > > >over the > > > > > > > > > > >issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick >People's > > > > >Campaign or > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions. > > Since > > > we > > > > >have > > > > > > > > >never had > > > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do >you > > > think > > > > >it > > > > > > > > >belongs > > > > > > > > > > >in a > > > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something > > we > > > are > > > > >against > > > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > > > >both > > > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" > > > > ><can_bush@h...> > > > > > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the > > Black > > > > >Nation!?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE > > > > >VERNIERO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK > > > PEOPLE'S > > > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press Secretary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.O. Box 131? >New > > > > >Brunswick, > > > > > > > > >NJ 08903 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR > > > > >VERNIERO'S > > > > > > > > >OUSTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK, April 5, 2001 -- The New > > > Brunswick > > > > >People's > > > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick > > > residents > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents > > > from all > > > > > > > > > > >nationalities > > > > > > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following > > > > >statement today: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign >(NBPC) > > > > >warmly > > > > > > > > >welcomes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of >the > > > New > > > > >Jersey > > > > > > > > >State > > > > > > > > > > > > >Senate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme > > Court > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > >Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any police officer who engages in racial > > > > >profiling and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of >people > > of > > > > >color, > > > > > > > > >commits > > > > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime. Such hate crimes must be addressed >by > > > > >swift and > > > > > > > > >severe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and >their > > > > >superiors who > > > > > > > > > > >turn a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The removal of Justice Verniero would be > > > > >consistent > > > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles. Testimony before the > > Senate > > > > >Judiciary > > > > > > > > > > >Committee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's > > > > >satisfaction, that > > > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial > > > profiling > > > > >in the > > > > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop >this > > > > >hateful > > > > > > > > >practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Brunswick People's Campaign > > further > > > > >calls > > > > > > > > >upon the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a > > resolution > > > > >calling for > > > > > > > > > > >Justice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the > > bipartisan > > > > >group of > > > > > > > > > > >senators > > > > > > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In light of the facts that have, at >long > > > last, > > > > >been > > > > > > > > >revealed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary > > > > >Committee's > > > > > > > > > > >hearings, > > > > > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is > > now > > > more > > > > >acute > > > > > > > > >than > > > > > > > > > > >ever. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over >police, > > > and > > > > >believes > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including >democratically > > > elected > > > > > > > > >civilian > > > > > > > > > > >police > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end > > to > > > the > > > > >hate > > > > > > > > >crimes > > > > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of >people > > of > > > > >color. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minority caucus of the State > > > Legislature is > > > > > > > > >already > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals. 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Platform Committee Recommendations to the CFJ re upcoming Sat Meeting 4-21-2001 We have at least 2 main responsibilities: A. Build the case for the 9 Demands as they have been stated publicly and discussed in the media. By build is meant detail of rationale, specifics of structure, and defining more exactly what we mean -- all of this so that the CFJ `negotiating' team has as much pertinent information as possible to make the case for each demand. B. Where possible for the May 16th March/Protest, restate our 9 Demands and expand them without losing the essential demands' focus -- for example including Cliff's stated Point 1 as part of Demand 4; Cliff's point 2 as an element under Demand 2 and Demand 3 for pursuit by the Independent Prosecutor as we expand the definition of `racial' profiling to mean any kind of prejudicial profiling. Expanding on our committee responsibilities, please give me your thoughts on the following: A. Demand 1 -- Are we in agreement with the structure and powers of the proposed independent civilian-controlled police control board? You have the essentials in the packet I gave out Sat 4-14-01. If you want the entire beast let me know and I'll email the 30+ pages to you. Cliff, your recommendation for residency requirements is a good one which we should ask the CFJ to push as we push for the CCPCB -- and it doesn't have to wait on the CCPCB struggle. Perhaps it fits logically under Demand 8 -- Hiring of more minority officers; also your other part of comment 3 falls within the essentials of the CCPCB proposal. A. Demand 2 -- Independent Prosecutor -- To be either popularly elected ASAP, or selected by lottery from four candidates selected one each from the ACLU-NJ, NAACP-NJ, NJ Bar Assn, and the Urban League. These are highly respected, national type organizations (every state has their own bar association --- perhaps we need a state-wide Hispanic-representing organization to offer a candidate prosecutor? A. Demand 3 -- Legislation re racial profiling to be expanded to prejudicial profiling as I defined in one of Sat's handouts. If you want to improve the definition of prejudicial profiling let me know. The basic idea is that no one should be treated unfairly for any reason or nonreason. Justification for detrimental treatment must be obvious. A. Demand 4 -- Reopening of police brutality cases -- we need to raise the question to the CFJ if we mean the ca. 30 people who have been KILLED by police in NJ during the past 10 years under `suspicious' circumstances - about 27 cases of which are briefly documented in the book `Stolen Lives.' How about the perhaps hundreds of cases of police brutality that did not result in death of the victim? Do we demand that all of these cases be reopened --- and reopened by the Indep Prosecutor? I say YES! If you agree, someone will need to survey the NJ populace and really interview/document those who have been PHYSICALLY injured, as starters. Those who have been insulted via prejudicial profiling is another massive endeavor. Do we recommend this to the CFJ for longer term followup? A, Demand 5 -- Verniero et al we've covered. For the first round of Demands I recommend that we include Poritz and Whitman. The Independent Prosecutor should be pressed to pursue the entire StatePolice chain-of-command involved in this highway racial profiling [civil rights + violations]. Longer term, pursue this same issue in local police agencies. A. Demand 6 -- Hogan and Kenna . This is clear and specific A. Demand 7 -- Racial bias and BRUTALITY history/tendency testing. Was candidate a high school bully; does the candidate have a history of torturing or killing animals, abusing others? A. Demand 8 and 9 -- Hiring and promoting of more minority officers. We need to demand objective standards for promotion set by an `outside' auditing board that will provide continuing oversight of the processes of hiring and promotion evaluation. If the standards and implementation are fair, the selection process should be based simply on merit. As with medical personnel, we want the best for these life-and-death decisions selected on the basis of competence. Lemme know if you disagree. B. Longer term -- Items 4 (direct elections), 5 (reparations), 7 and 8 of Cliff's notes need to be presented to the CFJ for consideration and prioritization assuming the CFJ will expand its social-economic-political thrust.Each of these pusuits will call for dynamic committees and liason with existing organizations. Item 6 in Cliff's notes I personally still can't agree with -- it's too broad brush for me especially since I don't know if there are decent Republicans in the legislature like Gormley perhaps. I suggest we attack the issues and support those who we as individuals feel are worthy of our vote -- as an organization we should not endorse or oppose a party. Let's educate the populace objectively and PASSIONATELY and have faith that they'll vote for justice. I fully support a presentation by Cliff or anyone to the CFJ of differing views. In addition, we need to add to our list of possible suggestions to the CFJ for After-May 16 consideration -- -- Death Penalty moratorium and elimination -- Essential health and civil rights for prisoners, including review of NJ prison labor procedures, parole for non-violent prisoners, job training and employment assistance for parolees -- and all indigent so that they do not have to go to prison to obtain necessary education and employment assistance. -- A Freedom of Information Act worthy of the name. This would help prevent a lot of corrupt practices. Belive it or not, Florida has a highly reputed FOIA. We could readily get guidance from the ACLU and the existing NJ bill on this subject. -- Welfare -- the Clinton Welfare DEFORM Act of 1996 is wreaking havoc among much of the chronically poor. Infant mortality, INFANTICIDE BY GOVERNMENT EDICT AND NEGLECT, has risen. The crunch will become even more severe in the next 2 years as the 5 year lifetime limit on welfare occurs for many poor families. What then for these folks? Particularly given the economic downturn which will mean reduced welfare possibilities for the neediest. What's our plan to protect the present and soon to be helpless? -- Living Wage not Minimum Wage -- You'll see info on this in the packet I gave at last Sat's meeting. Who wants to speak to the CFJ group on what subjects? I believe I can handle Demands 1 and 2 -- CCPCB and Independent Prosecutor and perhaps anything else that no one else picks. Please feel free to add comments AFTER the presenter's comments.Summarize your recommendations and rationales for CFJ action. We may be lucky to get 5 minutes per subject. At this point we want to elicit comments and ideas in addition to our own, and come back on the April 28 with a better consensus set of short and long term positions and plans. Let us all know what you all think, ASAP. Think or Sink! Blessings. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> To: <njfo@egroups.com> Cc: <senormart@...>; <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; <howardnelson@...>; <jeanross55@...>; <sisterhoodNstruggle1@...>; <tamaradahan@...>; <nita_08901@...>; <breakingchains@...>; <sherryRT@...> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:19 PM > Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 7:09pm > Subject: platform committee discussion > coalition for justice > march on trenton, may 16 > > the meeting of the platform committee, sunday 1pm, new > brunswick, centered around developing and expanding the scope of the March > platform , its program and demands, in order to strengthen our base, build > broader unity, reflect developments in the campaign, and better address the > issues within their national & historic context. > > our general agreements were that a "broad, not narrow" > vision would better organize our different communities toward the necessary > elimination of police abuses, rather than merely replacing this or that > figurehead. > > further, that we need to address our issues in how they > exist in political reality, and finally, on what happens to our developing > movement beyond the march. > > 1. the call for verniero's immediate removal must be > expanded to demand the sworn-in investigation of former gov. whitman, former > ag poritz, and the entire hierarchy of the state police. these people all > were involved in the policy of profiling & abuse, and its cover-up. > > 2. the issue of police abuses of women must be prominent in > our program. this is a well-documented trend in nj, but has been > conspicuously absent from any outcry. we point to repeated instances of > sexual harrassment/assault in police stops, police involvement in > prostitution/sex-slavery, police violence toward their domestic partners, > and harrassment/abuse of female police including female troopers. > > 3. the "review board w/ subpoena & disciplinary powers" is > better named an elected, civilian, police-control board. the point is, do > the police control the community, or does the community control the police? > only by placing the police under direct control of the community (not merely > review!), will abuses be eliminated. > > further, there must be residency requirements and open > files on all police officers. > > 4. the question of community control and democracy also > must include the direct election (& immediate recall) of all state officials > with positions of authority. including judges, prosecutors, & police > chiefs. if we could vote verniero out, we wouldn't be caught in a > republican legislative obstacle course. > > 5. we must understand, and state openly, that police abuses > are a result of social inequalities. that no amount of reform within the > police will eliminate abuses if general social inequality continues. that > is, e.g., street crime is a product of poverty & oppression. until these > conditions are eliminated, police will always "profile" "criminals", while > claiming to protect & serve. > > we must put forward the democratic calls for reparations > and self-determination for all oppressed peoples. in this way to eliminate > social inequality, and with it, social abuses. one > practical example would be free education for all blacks, latinos, > and women in new jersey. > > 6. that our program must openly target the republican party > as the most dangerous, most aggressive advocate of profiling & police abuse. > these actions are most openly encouraged by republican party operatives and > policies. whitman got promoted after(!) being exposed in profiling > "pat-down" (or was that her initiation?). we must defeat defransesco in > november and all republicans! > > 7. that francis lawrence, president of the state university > (rutgers) must be removed for classifying black people as "genetically > inferior". this anti-scientific, backward claim, by the head of the state's > highest, public, educational institution provided ideological support, a > lynch-mentality, for any racist thug cop. > > 8. that after the march we must meet immediately to assess > our successes & failures, criticize our errors, and learn lessons to build > on. we should seek to unite our forces with all progressive forces in nj > toward building a broad, democratic, peoples' united front to fight all > social problems toward building a peoples' democratic workers' party. > > And finally, that we should plan to hold a > conference/summit in the fall, before the election, to develop and advance > our organization. > > we welcome all criticisms, suggestions, concerns, &tc. > toward this. > > defeat racist/sexist profiling & police abuse! > > cliff smith > platform committee > 732.214.8828 > cliffsmith69@... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >
Joe makes a very good argument here for joining forces around the elected school board question. I would only add two points: 1. Along with mobilizing the youth, it is essential to make inroads with the teachers and staff workers within the school system. It seems that this has consistantly been this campaign's weekest link. 2. Don't underestimate the city's determination and ability to fight the referendum, regardless of common push for McGreesy...that's what their 'independant' Committee to Keep (People's) Politics out of Our Schools is for. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:24 -0400 to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion... the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01, specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign? 1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that goal given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community control. 2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly. 3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new brunswick ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed school board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the eyes of its supporters. 4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls: I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain one - vote yes elected school board two - vote mcgreasy the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote mcgreasy. II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate. (nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error. III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city council seats, if we win the elected school board this year, it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and city council. the campaign for the elected school board would be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the way to build. IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen! 5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their schools. 6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a week beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from nbpc get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we registered to vote last year (these would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign) 7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does not work on it.... joe smith >From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination Date: Mon, 16 Apr >2001 21:39:25 -0000 > >(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC) > >Joe: > >I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka poem. >However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of bigotry. Do >you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are valid? Do you >think Jim's comments are justified? > >As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the >housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written resolution to >urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at the next NBHA >meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to vote against the >monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with regard to its >contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of Republicans, I do not view >Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" [sic] or an enemy of public >housing residents. > >Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of the >elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your views of the >question of why it should be run again in 2001, specifically addressing it >in the context of the 2000 campaign. Also, what are your views on whether a >referendum for a ward-based instead of at-large council should be run in >2001, in addition to or instead of the elected school board question. > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" wrote: > i did not post the >poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of > the campaign, i >would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely > outraged" that >bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of > public >housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather > than >being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are our > enemies? >nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public > housing. >under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the > democratic >machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine. > > i can't >relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less > about the >people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic > >community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the > >elected school board campaign april 28. > > joe > > >_________________________________________________________________ > Get >your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... 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Jim, thanks for the clarification. I try (sometimes successfully, sometimes not) to criticize ideas and not the individual advancing them; sort of 'hate the sin, not the sinner' as it were. I certainly don't think you are bigoted in any way; I was just concerned about the tone of that particular post. While I believe that faith has its place in human existence, I understand where you're coming from in your views. I very much apologize if I came on too strong in replying to it. In unity, Flavio --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Bigoted? > >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:35:59 -0000 > > > >Bigotry? That's a tall accusation. > > > >1) I didn't say Christians are weak. Look again. I said "or"; > >not "and." Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians are > >weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list? > >Derrrrr. > > > >2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's > >adherents are out of touch with reality. Please read section X of > >David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding." The part "On > >Miracles." Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with. I'm > >tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a > >certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in > >any way shape or form. > > > >3) This is not the campaign list anymore. If you must criticize me, > >do so. But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or > >saying something that the campaign "is not about." > > > >4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry? Call it what it is. > >RACIST. > > > >5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted. I wholeheartedly apologize > >for my message, because it was confusing. I was just making a point > >that you have to argue for an opinion. None of us should be in the > >habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone. I for one have > >not been convinced of the argument for reparations. Come to think of > >it, neither have most black people or members of the working class, > >evidentally. I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them. Maybe > >the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree > >with BOL on this issue. Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are > >Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact. Maybe like Spanish > >Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the heathen > >world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and the > >Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self- > >Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial > >power). > > > >6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"? Why not Slim > >Jim? That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim. And, > >like, my name is Jim too!! :D Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM LUCENO, > >DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT? You know, you really hold back > >too much with your polemics. You should allow yourself some > >catharsis. Let some of that anger out. You're so darn reserved! > > > >Jim > >
Hey, it's alright. I too recognize the need to kick a little ass sometimes. After writing the original post, I kind of expected that sort of response from at least one person. Speaking of which, good show at last night's city council meeting. You made them look like monkeys. You had the pissed-off-Italian-dad thing going there, too, which was a nice touch. Jim --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > Jim, > > thanks for the clarification. I try (sometimes successfully, > sometimes not) to criticize ideas and not the individual advancing > them; sort of 'hate the sin, not the sinner' as it were. I certainly > don't think you are bigoted in any way; I was just concerned about > the tone of that particular post. While I believe that faith has its > place in human existence, I understand where you're coming from in > your views. > > I very much apologize if I came on too strong in replying to it. > > In unity, > > Flavio > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Bigoted? > > >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:35:59 -0000 > > > > > >Bigotry? That's a tall accusation. > > > > > >1) I didn't say Christians are weak. Look again. I said "or"; > > >not "and." Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians > are > > >weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list? > > >Derrrrr. > > > > > >2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's > > >adherents are out of touch with reality. Please read section X of > > >David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding." The > part "On > > >Miracles." Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with. > I'm > > >tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a > > >certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in > > >any way shape or form. > > > > > >3) This is not the campaign list anymore. If you must criticize > me, > > >do so. But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or > > >saying something that the campaign "is not about." > > > > > >4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry? Call it what it is. > > >RACIST. > > > > > >5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted. I wholeheartedly apologize > > >for my message, because it was confusing. I was just making a > point > > >that you have to argue for an opinion. None of us should be in the > > >habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone. I for one have > > >not been convinced of the argument for reparations. Come to think > of > > >it, neither have most black people or members of the working class, > > >evidentally. I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them. > Maybe > > >the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree > > >with BOL on this issue. Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are > > >Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact. Maybe like Spanish > > >Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the > heathen > > >world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and > the > > >Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self- > > >Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial > > >power). > > > > > >6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"? Why not Slim > > >Jim? That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim. And, > > >like, my name is Jim too!! :D Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM > LUCENO, > > >DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT? You know, you really hold back > > >too much with your polemics. You should allow yourself some > > >catharsis. Let some of that anger out. You're so darn reserved! > > > > > >Jim > > >
to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...
the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01,
specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?
1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an
elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community
control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that goal
given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and
therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community
control.
2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united
fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything
forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.
3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new brunswick
ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed school
board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in
our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the eyes
of its supporters.
4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our
campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the
ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth
down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain
one - vote yes elected school board
two - vote mcgreasy
the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote
mcgreasy.
II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his
campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
(nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford
to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the
campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city
council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the
community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the way to
build.
IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!
5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their
schools.
6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in
the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a week
beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from nbpc
get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a
week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and
addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we registered
to vote last year (these
would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)
7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
not work on it....
joe smith
>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000
>
>(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
>
>Joe:
>
>I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka
>poem. However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of
>bigotry. Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are
>valid? Do you think Jim's comments are justified?
>
>As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
>housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written
>resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at
>the next NBHA meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to
>vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with
>regard to its contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of
>Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif"
>[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.
>
>Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of
>the elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your
>views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.
>Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based
>instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or
>instead of the elected school board question.
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the
>spirit of
> > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are
>not "entirely
> > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the
>people of
> > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him,
>rather
> > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are
>our
> > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of
>public
> > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize
>the
> > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican
>machine.
> >
> > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care
>less
> > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for
>democratic
> > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work
>on the
> > elected school board campaign april 28.
> >
> > joe
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
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ALERT! Last night I heard of a Memorial Homes tenant who has chldren in last year of N.B. High School and in Technology & Science High School. With a record of more than ten years of conswcutive service with the same company and living within walking distance of her workplace, this tenant has been offered relocation in Bound Brook and Plainfield. I believe that the tenants who are facing eviction need three and four bedroom apartments which are not available in the traditional areas where "these people" are relocated. I believe that she will be at the next Housing Authority meeting Wednesday. If this tenant decides to "go public" we should pack that meeting to show solidarity. I will keep you informed. JoeMosley ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Barron Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:08 AM To: NB_CC_TF@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NB_CC_TF] Fwd: [CoalitionOPRA] Public Housing + NBHA Hi, all reminder our next meeting is next Tuesday, 6:30 @ 116 Livingston Ave (I think). some of you have been following what New Brunswick Housing Authority is doing regarding replacement homes for Memorial Homes. They have hired a private company (The Community Builders, Inc.) to build homes in NB...they have given land worth over $4mil and a HUD loan over $1.6 mil to the developer to build homes (not all the homes will be affordable housing) but the contract NBHA signed has no clause to stop the deal if the developer fails to build the small number of homes they are supposed to. also-no money is set aside for some sort of community center tho' I think I heard that there would be a private community room. apparently, the private company told the public that the records/documents relating to this development are private as well. this goes against the Open Public Records Act, which states that records dealing w/ public monies must be open to the public. following is the advice from a member of NJ Foundation for Open Government regarding the rights of the public to documents from this developer. see you Anne Note: forwarded message attached. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: NB_CC_TF-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dear cliff and Howard, Sorry this is so late. Being somewhat burnt out at work has exacerbated my occasional tendency to procrastinate. I found both of your e-mails to be helpful in summarizing our discussion. The attached, which I will bring with me, is intended as a brief summary of our approach, which I could hand out at the meeting this afternoon. Will try to be more timely in my responses in the future. Jean [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Fw: [BRC-NEWS] The Case for Reparations >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:33:56 -0400 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua" <schajua@...> >To: <brc-news@...> >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:14 PM >Subject: [BRC-NEWS] The Case for Reparations > > > > April 9, 2001 > > > > Slavery, Racist Violence, and Apartheid: > > The Case for Reparations > > > > By Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua <schajua@...> > > > > I may state to all our friends, and to all our enemies, that > > we has a right to the land where we are located. For why? I > > tell you. Our wives, our children, our husbands, has been > > sold over and over again to purchase the lands we now locate > > upon; for that reason we have a divine right to the land. > > And den didn't we clear the lands and raise the crops of > > corn, ob cotton, ob tobacco, ob rice, ob sugar, ob > > everything? And den didn't the large cities in de North grow > > up on de cotton and de sugars and de rice dat we made? . . . > > I say they have grown rich, and my people is poor. > > --Bayley Wyatt, a freedman from Yorktown, Virginia in Roy > > Finkenbine (ed.), Sources of the African-American Past > > (London: Longman, 1993), p. 88. > > > > > > Neoconservative activist David Horowitz's anti-reparations > > advertisement has provoked a storm of controversy on college > > campus from Maine to California. In the wake of multiracial > > student protests, many university newspapers have rightfully > > refused to run Horowitz's factually challenged ad. Despite > > his intentions, David Horowitz has helped move the issue of > > reparations for African Americans into the headlines and the > > consciousness of the American public. Although mainstream > > talk shows have merely provided Horowitz with a friendly > > forum in which to reiterate his simplistic and contradictory > > rant, his ad and appearances have reenergized student > > activism. > > > > > > Ten Reasons why African Americans Deserve Reparations > > > > To understand what's at stake requires we contextualize and > > thoroughly analyze Horowitz's "Ten Reasons Why Reparations > > for Blacks Are a Bad Idea for Blacks -- and Racist Too." It > > was first published as part of The Death of the Civil Rights > > Movement (Los Angeles: Center for the Study of Popular > > Culture, 2000). Death is a diatribe against Rev. Al > > Sharpton's "Redeem the Dream" March to end racial profiling. > > Consequently, Death is a vociferous attack on Black > > activists and a fevered defense of racial profiling. For > > instance, Horowitz interprets Attorney Johnnie Cochran's > > encouraging Blacks to join juries, as racist. Horowitz > > snidely sums up Cochran's point as "Get it, Whitey?" (P. 9). > > Knowing his audience facilitates unmasking his motivations. > > Horowitz's purpose is to spark racial hostility, to mobilize > > opposition to the elimination of discriminatory policies and > > practices. Thus, "Ten Reasons" first appeared as part of a > > pro-racial profiling pamphlet. > > > > Horowitz's real purpose is to promote the notion that race, > > by which he means racism is dead. From this perverted > > position, he logically concludes that contemporary Black > > activism is unnecessary. Therefore, he portrays activists as > > self-serving con artists and the African American people as > > their dupes. In Horowitz's color-blind perspective, group > > parity is irrelevant, because race is a fiction. He wants > > the public to believe that because race is an unscientific > > concept that it is also a non-existent social reality. > > Horowitz is the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. He is the > > prototypical color-blind liberal or neoconservative who > > would abolish the race concept, that is all racial > > classification; but would maintain the system and social > > relations produced by racial oppression. > > > > As important, if not more so, is the moment during which > > Horowitz escalated his anti-reparations assault. Over the > > past few years, activists have pushed reparations to the > > center of discourse in the African American community. > > Moreover, it has recently burst into traditional politics. > > Several city councils, including Chicago, Dallas, and > > Detroit have passed pro-reparation resolutions. According to > > Horowitz, he launched his latest salvo because reparations > > "is fast becoming the next big `civil rights' thing" (p. > > 30). > > > > Horowitz frames his anti-reparations argument in the form of > > questions or assertions and responses. His opinions are > > devoid of data and deficient in historical evidence. Because > > they lack validity, his responses never rise to the level of > > "answers." What are Horowitz's specific arguments against > > African American reparations? The titles in the > > advertisement often differ from those in Death. Whereas the > > pamphlet targeted the racist right, the ad aimed for a mass > > audience; thus, Horowitz sanitized it of its more explicitly > > inflammatory titles. Consequently, because the titles in > > Death are generally more revealing of his racist motivations > > I have chosen to use them. Nevertheless, I engage his > > responses in both Death and the advertisement. > > > > > > 1. Who Owes the Debt? > > > > Horowitz claims "There is no single group clearly > > responsible for the crime of slavery" because of African and > > Arab involvement in the slave trade and 3,000 African > > American slaveholders. The problems with his presentation > > here pervades the rest of his discussion. This time his > > information is generally accurate but stripped from its > > socio-historical and legal context, and the power relations > > of the slave(ry) trade its trivia, at best, and duplicitous, > > at worst. That is, without the context we do not know what > > this information means and when contextualized it generally > > does not mean what Horowitz implies. Scholars of the slave > > trade generally acknowledge the role of power relations as a > > coercive factor stimulating African participation. As Walter > > Rodney pointed out in his classic text, How Europe > > Underdeveloped Africa, Europeans controlled the > > international slave trade. Without excusing the role of > > kings and other African elites, their involvement must be > > understood in the context of actual power relations. > > > > Another example of how decontextualization distorts history > > is his discussion of Black slaveholders. First, according to > > census of 1830 there 3,777 Black slave owners, not 3,000 as > > Horowitz states (Christian, 1999, p. 100). Amazingly, his > > facts are wrong, even when they bolster his position! > > Nevertheless, the existence of 3,777 Black slaveholders is > > meaningless without knowing the total number of > > slaveholders. In 1850 there were 348,000 slave holding > > families (the Census Bureau collected the data on families, > > not individuals). Thus, the three thousand seventy-seven > > Black slaveholders comprised only about one percent of > > slaveholding families! Second, African American slave owners > > were a statistical reality that tells us nothing about > > actual relationships. Although many Black slave owners held > > others in bondage, that is they asserted rights of ownership > > and exploited slave labor, most did not. Most so-called > > Black slave owners are a statistical phenomenon. They were > > people of some means who purchased family and friends from > > bondage, but never imposed master-slave relationships. > > > > Even given the role of Africans, Arabs, and African > > Americans Horowitz's conclusion is deceptive. He offers a > > negative conclusion, "no single group is responsible"; yet, > > this scenario cries out for a positive one, i.e., that > > several groups were responsible. Moreover, the participation > > of multiple ethnicities does not mean that all participated > > or benefited equally. Furthermore, African Americans seek > > recompense from the only governmental entity still in > > existence the United States, their government. > > > > > > 2. African Americans Have also Benefited from Slavery > > > > Horowitz makes two comparative claims here. First, he argues > > that if the present wealth of the United States resulted > > from slavery, than African Americans as well as whites are > > beneficiaries of enslavement. Second, he offers an estimate > > of the difference between African Americans' and Africans' > > per capita incomes as evidence that African Americans > > benefited from slavery. > > > > First, he proceeds as if wealth accumulation produces > > positive impacts across society. This illogical argument > > suggests that slaves of wealthy masters were better off than > > the slaves of poor ones. Relationships of domination and > > exploitation are parasitic, not mutually beneficial. That > > is, the slave trade and slavery enriched European nation- > > states and the U.S. (particularly the class of slaveholders, > > slave trading merchants and manufacturers) but impoverished > > Africans and African Americans. Horowitz can only make this > > argument in the abstract. Actual data reveals that African > > Americas' percentage of U.S. wealth has stayed roughly the > > same, about one percent since the ante-bellum period. > > Furthermore, he limits his discussion of "benefits" to a > > narrow economic argument. Thus, he circumvents discussing > > the effects of racial oppression, particularly racist > > violence in producing stressors that undermine Blacks' > > physical and psychological health. > > > > His second assertion is also ahistorical and represents a > > false comparison. It is ahistorical because he ignores the > > role of five centuries of slave trading and colonialism in > > producing contemporary African poverty. Secondly, comparing > > the per capita income of African Americans to various > > African nationalities is spurious because of the vast > > differences in the gross national product of African > > nation-states and the U.S. This difference is largely the > > consequence of the slave trade and colonialism. > > > > > > 3. What About the Descendants of Union Soldiers Who Gave > > Their Lives To Free the Slaves? > > > > Here Horowitz makes three assertions. First, he contends > > only a minority of whites nationally owned slaves. Second, > > he claims only one in five whites in the ante- bellum South > > was a slaveholder. Third, he posits that 350,000 Union > > soldiers "died in the war that freed the slaves" (p. 35). > > His first claim is correct; nationally, only a minority of > > U.S. families owned slaves. In 1790 23 percent of the U.S. > > families owned slaves and only 10 percent in 1850. However, > > his second claim is a blatant lie. In 1790 72 percent of > > southern families owned slaves. In 1850, in the South > > Atlantic and the East Central sub regions, 31 and 32 percent > > of families owned slaves (Census Bureau, 1979, p. 12) > > > > In his third declaration, Horowitz deliberately misleads the > > reader by blurring the issue. Three hundred fifty thousand > > Union soldiers died in the Civil War and the war did > > precipitate slavery's abolition, but it was not fought to > > abolish slavery. The North fought to preserve the Union. It > > only became a war to end slavery when Lincoln realized that > > victory necessitated destroying the Confederacy's capacity > > to wage war, that is removing its most productive resource, > > Black slaves. > > > > > > 4. Most Whites Have No Connection to Slavery > > > > Horowitz's main contention is that most contemporary U.S. > > citizens do not have a "lineal connection to slavery" (p. > > 35). His argument here is quite devious. First, he uses the > > ambiguity inherent in term "lineal" to manipulate the > > reader. Second, he cynically attempts to pit African > > Americans against recent immigrants of color and other > > oppressed ethnicities. Although Horowitz means a straight > > line for many readers lineal suggests a heredity > > relationship. Of course, most Americans are not biological > > descendants of slaveholders, but all white Americans have > > benefited from the legacy of racial oppression -- white > > privilege and Black exploitation, exclusion and > > subordination. Planters, small slaveholders, and capitalist > > manufacturers, exporters, investors, and insurers of slave > > produced products benefited from the exploitation of slave > > labor. During the century from 1865 to 1965 the same groups, > > plus industrial capitalists benefited from the > > superexploitation of Black labor. > > > > Third, he limits reparations to compensation for slavery. It > > is on this basis that he argues post-slavery immigrants are > > not liable for reparations. Although post slavery European > > immigrants were brutally exploited and endured ethnic > > discrimination, like the Irish and Germans before them they > > expressed their rage by replicating their treatment on > > Blacks. Even so, by World War II the Italians, Hungarians > > Greeks, and Poles had become "white" and have since enjoyed > > the full benefits of whiteness in a white supremacist > > country. Whether native or immigrant the vast majority of > > white middle and working class Americans, have benefited > > from the exclusion of Blacks from professional and civil > > service jobs, unions, and governmental programs. For > > instance, African Americans were denied the opportunity to > > participate in the 1962 Homestead Act that transferred > > hundreds of millions of acres to white citizens and European > > immigrants. Additionally, Blacks were practically excluded > > from the 1935 Social Security Act because almost all worked > > as farm laborers or domestics. Furthermore, from the 1940s > > to the early 1960s white homebuyers obtained low interest > > Federal Housing Authority loans, a program from which Blacks > > were excluded. Finally, as governmental data indicates > > whites continue to benefit from racial discrimination in > > employment, loans, housing, and healthcare. Consequently, > > activists demand reparations not just for enslavement, but > > for exclusion, discrimination, and the racial violence that > > characterized the era of segregation as well for > > contemporary disparities. > > > > Finally, his argument here implicitly his contradicts the > > position presented in point two. There he argues that if the > > United States' wealth was partly created by slave labor, > > than African Americans, as inheritors of U.S. wealth, are > > also beneficiaries of slave- produced wealth. If he were > > right, wouldn't this situation also apply to all persons > > living in the U.S., including white Americans? > > > > > > 5. The Cases of Jewish and Japanese Reparations Are Not > > Comparable And Therefore Do Not Provide Precedents > > > > Horowitz dismisses African Americans' reparation claims > > because unlike Jews and Japanese-Americans, he contends > > Blacks are not survivors of the wrongs for which they seek > > retribution. He frames his argument in what legal scholar > > Eric K. Yamamoto calls "traditional remedies law," which > > seeks to identify specific individual victims and abusers > > (Yamamoto, 1998, p. 488). However, Black demands for > > reparations are based on group, not individual rights. > > > > From about 1641 to 1965, federal and state law classified > > individuals by race and distinguished rights and > > opportunities on that basis. Group membership, not > > individual merit, determined one's role, position, and > > status in the economy, polity, and civil society. > > Individuals assigned to the African category were treated as > > a separate and subordinate group. > > > > Moreover, since the establishment of the Indian Claims > > Commission in 1946, the U.S. federal government and numerous > > state governments have paid reparations to persons other > > than survivors or their immediate descendants. During the > > 1980s several Native American nations have received > > reparations in form of money and land for actions a century > > or more ago. For instance, in 1986 the Ottawas of Michigan > > received $32 million based on an 1836 Treaty. > > > > > > 6. What About Successful Blacks? What Is Their Economic > > Grievance? > > > > Horowitz's major assertion is that slavery and subsequent > > racial discrimination were either non-existent or have been > > insufficient barriers to success. He make this point by > > contrasting the Black middle class, which he claims composes > > the majority of African Americans, and West Indian > > immigrants to the so-called "underclass." Except the > > disparities between African Americans' and West Indians' > > incomes, his assertions are unsupported. Moreover, his logic > > and conclusions are absurd. > > > > First, the minority of African Americans who attained middle > > class position, have generally done so by taking advantage > > of the fleeting opportunities available in the aftermath of > > successful collective Black struggles. Members of those > > classes best positioned previously have made the most > > advances. Moreover, that members of the Black middle and > > capitalist classes suffer racial discrimination is widely > > documented in past and current employment, housing, and loan > > discrimination suits. Horowitz's attempt to use Oprah > > Winfrey and the few wealthy Blacks to shift attention from > > racism to class is dishonest and malevolent. He alleges that > > contemporary Black-white income disparities are the > > consequence of "individual character" (p. 39). To blame most > > Blacks for not surmounting racism is analogous to > > questioning the character of victims of the holocaust > > because a few Jews managed to escape! In addition to his > > racism, Horowitz's central problem is his refusal to > > recognize that social groups (racial, ethnic, gender, class, > > etc.) are the organizing principle of human societies. > > > > If the question is historic group-based disparities, why > > rely on income rather than wealth? The wealth index measures > > accumulated assets over a lifetime, instead of one year's > > monetary returns. Currently, the median net wealth of Black > > households is about 12% that of whites; but only 1% if home > > equity is deducted. This is extremely important since Blacks > > were initially excluded from government sponsored > > homeownership programs. Furthermore, that much of this > > discrepancy is due to inheritance underlines the historic > > accumulative nature of African American poverty. > > > > On the surface, his comparison between West Indian > > immigrants and African Americans seems to have merit. Yet, a > > closer analysis reveals the spuriousness of this comparison. > > Horowitz's discussion is ahistorical and superficial. He > > implicitly treats all slave systems the same. West Indian > > immigrants are the descendants of slaves, but they come > > slave systems that differed markedly from U.S. slavery. > > Because African slaves greatly outnumbered whites in the > > West Indies, the white working and yeoman farming classes > > were minute; therefore a large number of slave acquired > > valuable skills. More important, most contemporary Caribbean > > immigrants are the products of independent countries and > > were socialized in societies controlled by people of African > > descent. > > > > > > 7. Reparations Will Increase Victim Mentalities, Negative > > Attitudes and Alienation Within the Black Community > > > > First, Horowitz has it backwards. The Black struggle for > > justice, freedom, and self-determination, including > > reparations is empowering. Participation it the struggle > > produces cognitive liberation, self-esteem, and a sense of > > efficacy. Do all reparations create a "victim mentality, or > > just reparations to African Americans? What is a victim > > mentality? Is it recognition that Blacks have been and > > continue to be victimized by racial oppression? Recognition > > is the first step toward resolution. The problem is not that > > Blacks possess a negative victim mentality, but that > > Horowitz has a "blame-the-victim" mentality. He is unwilling > > to honestly acknowledge the centuries of racial oppression > > to which African Americans have been subjected by white > > Americans. > > > > > > 8. What About the Reparations That Have Already Been Paid? > > > > Horowitz's contention that inclusion in Great Society social > > programs should count as reparations is absurd. He simply > > ignores the multiple roles social programs play in U.S. > > society. On the one hand, Great Society initiated programs > > were ostensibly designed to abolish poverty. Programs, such > > as AFDC and food stamps, were class- determined minimum > > subsistence programs. Whites have made up the overwhelming > > majority of aid recipients, and the proportion of African > > Americans has been disproportionate. Nevertheless, > > Horowitz's discussion rips them from their broader public > > policy context. Great Society programs were part of > > Keynesian economics, the country's policy of using > > governmental spending to stimulate economic growth -- > > employment and consumption. In addition to increasing levels > > of purchasing, these programs also created well paying > > government jobs for a predominately white middle class. On > > the other hand, some programs were designed specifically to > > address discrimination, racial, gender, ethnic, and > > religious. No government program has sought to solely > > benefit Blacks. Moreover, white women and white men over > > fifty-five, not Blacks, have been the major beneficiaries of > > affirmative action. > > > > > > 9. What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America? > > > > He continues to falsify history, here by distorting the > > history of the abolition movement, in both the U.S. and > > Britain. Two points are important: (1) his denial of Black > > agency; and (2) his crude one-sided interpretation of > > abolitionism, particularly in Britain. African slaves and > > quasi-free Blacks initiated the abolition movement. Horowitz > > omits any discussion of Black self-activity because his goal > > is to present African Americans as indebted, ungrateful > > children. Therefore, he mentions 3,000 Black slaveholders, > > but omits thousands of Black abolitionists, 186,000 Black > > Union soldiers, and numerous slave revolts for his account. > > > > Continuing his manichaean view of history, he presents the > > British Anti-Slavery Movement as simply an exercise in > > humanism. He simply extends his argument concerning Union > > soldiers and Christian abolitionists in the U.S. to Britain. > > In reality, the British anti-slavery movement was a mixture > > of humanitarians and imperialists. More important, British > > abolitionism drew its impetus from a complex mixture of > > humanist sentiments, economic motivations, and fear of slave > > rebellions. Horowitz misses these nuances because his > > purpose is to exaggerate white humanitarianism and deny > > Black agency. Thus, he denigrates the life and death > > struggle waged by African Americans throughout U.S. history > > by calling hard-won rights gifts. In sum, this argument > > approximates those who called for compensation for the > > slaveholders! > > > > > > 10. Blacks are Virtually the Oldest Americans, Why Not > > Embrace Their American Destiny > > > > His last assertions are as duplicitous and dumb as those > > that precede them. Essentially, he reiterates the tired > > assimilationist position. Consequently, he charges that > > pursuing reparations will only further isolate American > > Americans. First, as always he blames the oppressed for > > conditions created by the oppressor. Black isolation, > > geographically, socially, and politically is a consequence > > of white capitalist created ghettoization, ostracism, and > > racism. > > > > Horowitz's one-sided analysis obscures the potentially > > positive aspects of reparations. Beginning with Presidential > > and congressional apologies (Congress apologized to > > Japanese-Americans in 1988 and to Hawaiians in 1993) the > > U.S. government and white Americans can initiate a sincere > > conversation on racial oppression. Finally, the payment of > > several hundred billion dollars in reparations would > > ultimately benefit all Americans. Reparations would enable > > the rebuilding of Black civil society, the transformation of > > inner city ghettoes, the rebuilding of urban infrastructure, > > and go along way toward eliminating poverty. Reparations > > represent a way to repair the past, a means "to rebuild > > relationships through attitudinal changes and institutional > > restructuring" (Yamamoto, p. 521). Conclusion > > > > Horowitz's argument is redundant, racist, ahistorical, and > > manipulative. In his zeal to discipline Blacks for > > challenging U.S. reality and for rejecting the hypocritical > > America dream, Horowitz fails to consider the debt America > > owes Blacks. Beyond apologies and the transfer of billions > > of resources for past and present oppression, the U.S., > > especially white Americans owe African Americans for forcing > > it toward its noblest ideals. The Black Freedom Movement has > > been at the crux of every progressive social change in the > > nation's history. African Americans have been the most > > thorough and determined fighters in the struggle to expand > > democracy and socioeconomic security beyond white male > > elites. The Black Freedom Movement has served as the > > inspiration and model for the new social movements that are > > challenging the nightmare. Horowitz wants to bury this > > legacy and possibility. Yet, ironically his actions have > > produced the opposite effect. His diatribe has energized a > > nascent Black student movement and transformed college > > campuses into sites of struggle. Furthermore, his ad has > > forced the mainstream media to remove the shroud covering > > the struggle for reparations, thus making audible the claims > > of our ancestors. > > > > -- > > > > Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua is an Associate Professor of Historical > > Studies at Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville, and a > > member of the National Council of the Black Radical Congress. > > The views and opinions expressed in this article are his own. > > > > -- > > > > References > > > > Marcellus Andrews, Political Economy Of Hope And Fear: > > Capitalism And The Black Condition In America (New York: New > > York University Press, 1999), > > > > Ronald Bailey, "The Slave(ry) Trade. "Journal of Social > > Science History, 14: 3 (Fall 1990), pp. 373-414. > > > > Roy L. Brooks (ed.), When Sorry Isn't Enough: The > > Controversy over Apologies and Reparations for Human > > Injustice (New York: New York University Press, 1999). > > > > Bureau of the Census, The Special and Economic Status of the > > Black Population in the United States: An Historical View, > > 1790-1978 (Washington, D.C., Department of Commerce, 1979). > > > > Charles M. Christian, Black saga: The African American > > Experience (A Chronology) Washington, D.C.: Civitas, 1999). > > > > Edward Countryman, Americans: A Collision of Histories (New > > York: Hill and Wang, 1997). > > > > Seymour Drescher, Capitalism and Anti-Slavery: British > > Mobilization in Comparative Perspective (New York: Oxford > > University Press, 1987). > > > > John Hope Franklin and Alfred A. Moss, Jr., From Slavery to > > Freedom: A History of African Americans, 8th ed. (New York: > > McGraw-Hill, 2000). > > > > Roy Finkenbine (ed.), Sources of the African-American Past > > (London: Longman, 1997). > > > > C.L.R. James, "The Atlantic Slave Trade and Slavery: Some > > Interpretations of their Significance in the Development of > > the United States and the Western World," in C.L.R. James, > > The Future in the Present: Selected Writings (Westport, CN: > > Lawrence Hill & Co., 1977), pp. 235-64. > > > > Edward Magdol, A Right to the Land: Essays on the Freedman's > > Community (Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1977), > > > > Bernard Makhosezwe Magubane, "The Political Economy of the > > Black World: Origins of the Present Crisis," in African > > Sociology-Towards a Critical Perspective: The Collected > > essays of Bernard Makhosezwe Magubane (Trenton, NJ: Africa > > World Press, 2000), pp. 405-21. > > > > Benjamin Quarles, Black Abolitionists (New York: Oxford > > University Press, 1969). > > > > Roger L. Ransom, Conflict and Compromise: The Political > > Economy of Slavery, Emancipation, and the American Civil War > > (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1995). > > > > Walter Rodney, How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, rev. ed. > > (Washington, DC: Howard University Press, 1981). > > > > Herbert Shapiro, White Violence and Black Response (Amherst: > > University of Massachusetts Press, 1988). > > > > Robert Westley, "Many Billions Gone: Is It Time to > > Reconsider the Case for Black Reparations," Boston College > > Law Review 40 (December 1998), pp. 429-76. > > > > Eric K. Yamamoto, "Racial Reparations: Japanese Americans > > Redress and African American Claims," Boston College Law > > Review 40 (December 1998), pp. 477-523. > > > > Copyright (c) 2001 Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua. 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kristina- --- In coalitionforjustice@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: COME HEAR THE VOICE OF TRUTH. MINISTER TRACY FORD, RADICAL REPUBLICAN REVOLUTIONARY, OF MOUNT CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH 150 THROOP AVENUE NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY 08901 732-247-4410 WILL BE PREACHING A POWER, INSPIRATION MESSAGE "THE MILITANT CHRISTIAN: HOW TO OVERCOME THE DEVIL" AT TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH 33POPLAR ROAD PISCATAWAY, NEW JERSEY 08854 732-572-1313 7:00PM, MONDAY, APRIL 23, 2001 --- End forwarded message ---
>From: iacenter@... >Reply-To: "activist general1" <iacenter@...> >To: "activist general1" <iacenter@...> >Subject: Join CAMP FREE MUMIA May 11-13 in Philadelphia >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:10:47 -0400 > >Join students and activists of all ages and backgrounds as residents of >CAMP FREE MUMIA in PHILADELPHA from Friday May 11 to >Sunday May 13 at City Hall. > >Preliminary Camp Schedule: >Friday, May 11: Camp opens 5 pm. Evening: Giant Hip Hop Concert >Saturday, May 12: March & Rally starting at 1 pm from Philadelphia >City Hall >Sunday, May 13: Camp Closing Ceremony: Remember the MOVE >Bombing > >IF YOU PLAN TO PARTICIPATE IN CAMP FREE MUMIA, >please provide us with the information requested at the end of this >email. > >The purpose of CAMP FREE MUMIA is to draw attention to >Mumia�s case and to keep the pressure on the system to let our >brother go. We will camp out in Philadelphia over the second week >end in May to let the government, the courts, the cops, and the power >brokers in that city know that the whole world is watching. We will >live in Philly for a few days to remind the powers that be that people >are prepared to do what ever is required to free Mumia. > >Camp Free Mumia opens on Friday evening May 11. The camp will >be open all Friday night, all day and night Saturday May 12, and into >the late afternoon of Sunday May 13. The location of Camp Free >Mumia is in front of City Hall. > >One big reason why the Philadelphia police targeted award-winning >journalist and political activist Mumia Abu-Jamal was Mumia�s >defense of the MOVE organization. May 13 marks the 16th >anniversary of the 1985 infamous bombing and burning of the MOVE >house by the Philadelphia police. The bombing left 11 people dead >including five children. On May 12 in commemoration of this >anniversary, activists and supporters around the world will be >marching and demonstrating to free Mumia. > >Activities at the encampment will include guest speakers, discussion >groups, workshops, music, and a major demonstration on Saturday >May 12. You will have a chance to meet and live with activists from >many different places. Come for the two nights, or for one night, or >for one day on Saturday May 12 to participate in the demonstration >planned for that afternoon at City Hall. > >Those staying over night should bring a sleeping bag, or a few >blankets, some warm clothes, and food. Food will also be available at >the camp. There will be portable toilets, a medical staff and >volunteers prepared to deal with a variety of needs. > >If you plan to participate in Camp Free Mumia, please provide us with >the following information as soon as possible: > >Name of participant(s) >Organization/Union/School >Phone >Email address >Mailing Address > >I/we are joining Camp Free Mumia: >___ Friday night >___ Saturday night >___ Saturday day only > >___ I am organizing in my area for Camp Free Mumia. >___ I/my organization endorse(s) Camp Free Mumia. > >Camp Free Mumia c/o > >International Action Center >39 West 14th Street, Room 206 >New York, NY 10011 >email: iacenter@... >web: http://www.iacenter.org >CHECK OUT SITE > http://www.mumia2000.org >phone: 212 633-6646 >fax: 212 633-2889 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
yes? >From: can_bush@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [NB_CC_TF] Fwd: [CoalitionOPRA] Public Housing + NBHA >Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:11:51 -0000 > >kristina- > > > >--- In coalitionforjustice@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: >COME HEAR THE VOICE OF TRUTH. >MINISTER TRACY FORD, RADICAL REPUBLICAN REVOLUTIONARY, OF MOUNT CALVARY >BAPTIST CHURCH >150 THROOP AVENUE >NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY 08901 >732-247-4410 >WILL BE PREACHING A POWER, INSPIRATION MESSAGE >"THE MILITANT CHRISTIAN: HOW TO OVERCOME THE DEVIL" >AT TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH >33POPLAR ROAD >PISCATAWAY, NEW JERSEY 08854 >732-572-1313 >7:00PM, MONDAY, APRIL 23, 2001 >--- End forwarded message --- > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Interview with Giuliani Decency Commission Giuliani’s Art Police Are At It Again He’s at it again. New York City’s self-proclaimed Decency Commissioner, Rudolph Giuliani, is attacking yet another art venue for daring to express a viewpoint he doesn’t agree with. Now it’s the Bronx Museum of the Arts that is feeling the Wrath of Giuliani. This time it has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, the Madonna or the Last Supper. Criticizing the police has been added to Giuliani’s list of forbidden subjects for artists and museums. The great thing about Giuliani is that he never stops giving you evidence of where he’s coming from or the utter hypocrisy behind it. Last week I had an opportunity to debate the Decency Commission on live radio (1050AM WEVD, the Alan Colmes Show) with one of its’ members, the Mayor’s divorce attorney, Raoul Felder. Felder kept insisting that the Commission had nothing to do with censorship but only with the use of tax dollars to finance art. Then he volunteered that in 1998 he had tried to have a show of my Giuliani portraits closed because it was located in a Madison Avenue office building where his office is located. The show was on private property and needless to say received no tax dollars. When Felder came into the show he looked horrified by the paintings of Giuliani as a dictator and asked me, "Is it legal to show these pictures?" I asked Felder why the Brooklyn Museum couldn’t show art that some people mistakenly thought was anti-Catholic yet the Museum of Modern Art - which recieves far more NY City tax dollars than the Brooklyn Museum and all other NYC museums combined - could show blatantly anti-Catholic works by Salvador Dali. Felder’s response was that Dali was a famous artist. Such is the commission’s legal expertise on First Amendment issues. Felder isn’t the only member of the Decency Commission with a history of trying to censor art on Giuliani’s behalf. Daniel Connolly, the Decency Commission's executive director, was Mayor Giuliani’s NYC corporation Counsel lawyer in charge of all the street artist arrest cases in NYC from 1994 until we won our first lawsuit in 1997. Out of more than 700 artist arrests not one was ever brought to trial and not more than a handful of artists ever got their art back. Tens of thousands of works of fine art were confiscated and illegally destroyed as part of the policy. In a series of memos written at the very start of the policy (which are part of the legal record) the corporation counsel and the Manhattan District Attorney’s office wrote that the artist arrest policy was unconstitutional and that no case could be prosecuted. No case ever was prosecuted yet the artist arrests continued on a daily basis for four years. Giuliani went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to try and stop myself and other artists from showing art that criticized his policies. In his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, Giuliani wrote: "An exhibition of paintings is not as communicative as speech, literature or live entertainment, and the artists' constitutional interest is thus minimal." -Giuliani appeal brief against street artists having First Amendment protection, Giuliani v Lederman et al and Giuliani v Bery et al, filed with the U.S. Supreme Court 2/24/97. Losing that case didn’t stop the Mayor from trying to keep artists from showing political art he dissproves of. Right after losing it Giuliani and his most loyal henchman, Parks Commissioner Henry Stern, created an artist permit policy that directly violated the ruling in the previous case. The 2nd circuit ruling gave artists the exact same full First Amendment right as newspaper publishers and book vendors to distribute, sell or display on New York City streets without a license or permit. Aside from the hundreds of book vendors selling within 350 feet of NYC Parks (which the agency claims as their jurisdiction) you may have noticed the thousands of metal and plastic distribution boxes located throughout the City. In these boxes copies of the NY Times, NY Post, Wall Street Journal and other papers are sold and the Village Voice and NY Press among others are distributed for free. Not one of these boxes has a permit, pays any fee or needs any permission. Many are chained to City property - lightpoles, stops signs etc - or are located next to fire hydrants and other so-called street furniture that artists are prohibited from being next to. In our current lawsuit we have documented hundreds of instances where the Parks Department allows book and newspaper vendors to sell on Parks property without a permit while arresting artists for doing the exact same thing same in the exact same location. The artist permit system for Parks now has it’s own decency panel appointed by the Mayor and Commissioner Stern, which decides which artists are suitable to show their work. The permit system is the subject of an ongoing lawsuit, Lederman et al v Giuliani, which is currently in Federal court. When one of the Manhattan Criminal court’s best judges, Lucy Billings, overturned the artist permit in 1999 because it blatantly violated the NY State Constitution and New York City law, Giuliani had her removed from the criminal court. Recently the Mayor had me arrested for the 41st time outside City Hall for selling a postcard with his portrait on it based on this same overturned law. Supervising the arrest was his Deputy Mayor Rudy Washington, officers from the NYPD intelligence division, a lawyer for the NYPD and more than 25 uniformed officers. This past week I attempted to get Parks Commissioner Stern and various of his aides, including Deputy Commissioner in charge of enforcement Jack Linn and Parks legal counsel Alexander Oliveri, to state what their current policy was concerning artists and bookvendors. All refused to go on the record as to what their own legal policy was. Linn told me, "You’ll have to test us to find out." If they actually believe their policy is legal and constitutional, why keep it a secret? Why do citizens of New York City have to "test" law enforcement to determine what the laws are? Nevertheless, a sgt. in the Parks Enforcement Police (PEP) was far more forthcoming. "Artists need a permit. Book vendors don’t. We never issue summonses to book vendors." In the early stages of the lawsuit about this the Mayor’s lawyers were actually lying to the judge, claiming there was a book vendor permit. In fact, it was then City Council member Henry Stern himself who had helped eliminate the book vendor license requirement decades previously based on it being a violation of the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment. Times change and so did onetime liberal Henry Stern. The Department of Parks is now a hotbed of racial profiling, corruption and violations of free speech. Stern is being investigated for shaking down charities for exhorbitant "donations" and is being sued by members of his own agency for racial predjudice. Long before the Mayor began picking on museums (other than the ones his contributors own like the Museum of Modern Art) he was actively censoring political art. This had nothing whatsoever to do with tax dollars and everything to do with his fear of allowing New Yorkers to see art that he finds embarrassing. As a futher example of the absurdity of this Decency Commission being based on the use of tax dollars consider this. When it comes to tax dollars being used to subsidize political speech in New York City we need look no further than the City’s mainstream newspapers. Between them they’ve recieved hundreds of millions of dollars in tax subsidies from Rudy Giuliani. The only thing a Decency Commission needs to look into in New York is the Giuliani Administration itself. Street artist lawsuits involving Giuliani Lederman et al v Giuliani (The ongoing Parks Department lawsuit and related matters of censorship and false arrest) 98 Civ. 2024 (LMM) http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html titled New legal complaint filed in Federal Court against Mayor Giuliani. Details the charges of constitutional violations (9/5/98) The earlier case we already won is at the same site under Street artists are legal: Entire text of the Bery decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit (Argued: April 26, 1996 Decided: October 10, 1996) Lederman at al v City of NY; Bery et al v City of NY UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT Nos. 1620, 1621, 1782 August Term 1995 (Argued: April 26, 1996 Decided: October 10, 1996) Docket Nos. 95-9089 (L), 95-9131, 96-7137 The Federal case regarding leafleting on the steps of the US Capitol that I won last year and that the Feds lost on appeal this year (I was arrested giving out leaflets about Giuliani persecuting artists) Lederman v United States of America et al 99-3359 [1] is at http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html NYC Artist Wins Federal Suit Against U.S. Gov't (3/15/2000) and updated at http://baltech.org/lederman/ under the title Artist wins latest round in DC Federal Court (3-07-01) For numerous detailed articles about the Giuliani Decency Commission; GW Bush and Giuliani’s Nazi connection; the CIA’s Manhattan Institute; eugenics (scientific racism); and West Nile Virus information see http://baltech.org/lederman/ (for earlier West Nile Virus articles) http://www.levymultimedia.com/lederman/index.htm Street artist information http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. 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It is time to make our voices heard on a national scale. The rest of the country needs to know that we are not going to live in a racist society. In order to make our point heard, we need this May Day rally to go down at colleges all over, along with press releases and basically as much media coverage as we can garner. It is time to put an end to these racist ideas which inevitably culminate in violence and brutality, racist ideas which are currently upheld by nearly every institution in the country (i.e. the educational system, healthcare system, justice system, to name a few). It is time to break the bubble created by the segregation in our society, to shatter the imaginary glass wall that separates people of different skin color-- a glass wall forged by ignorance, a glass wall which those in power believe will protect their status by preventing one unifying movement against injustice. How do we fight back against racism, against the ignorance that divides human beings? By raising our voices, and letting the truth be known. It is time to unite. I could use help in contacting other universities... at this point there is no central way for activists from different schools to communicate with each other so it's been difficult. So if any of you belong to groups that have sister organizations at other schools, please contact them. They can e-mail missfitz@... with any questions. Let's do this! Megan Fitzgerald _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: JoeMosley@... >To: joemosley1@... >Subject: Fwd: [gpnj-members] Fwd: ASGP-COO FW: [instantrunoff] IRV FAQ >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:13:51 EST > > > > >X-Plug: http://www.greens.org/gis/ > > > >This is really good. Should help us all in our efforts to educate others >and ourselves on this vital issue. John > > > >---------- > >From: "Nathaniel Krause" <nate@...> > >To: instantrunoff@egroups.com > >Subject: [instantrunoff] IRV FAQ > >Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2001, 7:29 PM > > > > > > > >This is the FAQ from instantrunoff.com. I am posting it for public > >comment. Are there any other questions which are frequently asked > >and which you would like to see addressed? Contact me > >(nate@...). > > > >1. WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING FOR THE AVERAGE > >VOTER? > > > >1. Instant Runoff Voting would restore a basic principle of > >democracy: majority rule. Far too often our federal, state, and local > >governments are filled with people elected with less than 50% of the > >vote. What this means, in essence, is that most voters involved voted > >against them. Bill Clinton was twice elected president by a minority > >vote and now George W. Bush has too; whether they would have won in a > >runoff is unclear. IRV requires all winners to be majority winners. > > > >2. IRV will put more choices on the ballot. IRV will avoid the > >pitfalls of the wasted-vote and spoiler syndromes and it will > >increase the visibility of third parties. This will make it much more > >likely that elections will have more than two candidates on the > >ballot, and that the media will treat them as three-way races. The > >end result will be more choices for the voter. > > > >3. Elections will be less negative, more issue-oriented, and based > >around coalition-building. Elections with three or four contenders > >tend to be less prone to negative mudslinging than two-way races. The > >purpose of negative advertising is to convince people not to vote for > >an opponent. In a two-way race this is very effective, because the > >targeted voters are likely to move over to the mudslinger's side. But > >in a multiple-candidate race they are more likely to take some third > >option, making mudslinging much less effective. The only way to > >succeed in a race against several opponents is to make a positive > >case for oneself, and this will make it more likely that campaigns > >will focus on the issues. Furthermore, candidates in an IRV election > >will be campaigning not only for first-choice votes, but also for the > >second-choice votes of their opponent's supporters. Under the present > >system, if a candidate knows that you're going to vote for someone > >else, he will write you off. But, under IRV, he will still be > >courting you for your second- or third-choice votes, which may prove > >crucial to the candidate's chances of winning. Because of this, > >candidates will focus on building a broad and inclusive coalition and > >reaching out to a variety of voters. > > > >2. WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING FOR SUPPORTERS OF > >THIRD PARTIES? > > > >1. Voters will no longer have reason to vote for the "lesser-of-two- > >evils." Potential third-party voters frequently wrestle with their > >enthusiasm for the principles of a third party on the one hand, and, > >on the other, their desire to keep a particularly-hated Democrat or > >Republican out of office; too many choose the latter and vote for > >a "lesser-of-two-evils." The trouble is that this prevents some > >candidates from even getting off the ground. IRV does away with this > >problem by allowing a voter to rank all candidates in order of > >preference. Thus, a conservative, for instance, who wants to help > >defeat a liberal Democratic incumbent could rank a US Taxpayers > >candidate "#1" and the Republican challenger "#2;" or some other > >candidate as "#2" and the Republican as "#3." > > > >2. Voters will no longer worry about "wasting votes" on a third > >party. Some voters feel that a vote is wasted if it doesn't go to a > >Democrat or Republican. It isn't that they hate outsiders -- in fact, > >polls show that 67% of Americans want a third party -- but usually > >because they are concerned about electing a "greater-of-two-evils." > >Because IRV allows a voter to rank each candidate, they can safely > >rank Green or Libertarian #1 without fear that their vote will be > >wasted. > > > >3. Third party candidates will no longer worry about > >becoming "spoilers" or being perceived as such. As with conventional > >runoffs, an IRV election is not over until one candidate has a > >majority of the votes. For this reason, third parties never need to > >worry about being labelled as "spoilers" who force the election of an > >unpopular candidate. Two examples from alternative parties will > >illustrate the problems this can cause: in the 1994 election for > >governor of Alaska, the conservative Alaskan Independence Party > >received 13% of the vote, which is pretty good, but it threw the > >election to the Democrat who receieved only 41%, which is probably > >not what they had in mind. The same year in New Mexico, the Green > >Party received 11% of the vote for governor, but it threw the > >election to a Republican who received under 50% of the vote. In > >neither case did the voters get what they wanted and asked for. IRV > >completely rids us of this problem. > > > >4. The presence of a third-party candidate might even boost the > >chances of a major party candidate. In a race between a moderate- > >liberal Democrat and a Republican, a left-wing Labor Party candidate > >could help the Democrat by energizing liberals and bringing them to > >the polls. Once there, the liberals' second choice votes can decide > >the election. And the same could work for Republicans and > >conservative third parties. Over time, this might mean better chances > >of legislation, such as ballot access reform, favorable to third > >parties, and inclusion of third party candidates in debates. > >Probably, the big two parties will always regard third parties as > >threats, but at least, with IRV, this will be tempered by their self- > >interest. > > > >3. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "PLULARITY ELECTIONS"? > > > >"Plurality elections" is what we call the current election system: > >everyone votes for one choice, and whichever candidate gets the most > >votes wins--not a majority of votes, just the most. The vote total > >may be more or less than 50%. A lot of people think conventional > >plurality elections are the epitome of the democratic principle of > >majority rule. The problem is that pluralities aren't always > >majorities; sometimes they're minorities. Therefore, plurality > >elections can sometimes mean minority rule. It's not a good voting > >system. > > > > 4. WHY NOT JUST USE TWO-ROUND RUNOFF ELECTION? > > > >Instant Runoff Voting has many of the advantages of a conventional > >two-round runoff, but is superior in several ways. As an example, > >take the 1992 election for US Senator in Georgia. Because Libertarian > >candidate Larry Hudson received more than 3% of the vote, neither his > >Democratic nor his Republican opponent had a majority. State law > >required a conventional runoff, which was a good thing because the > >incumbent Democrat had been leading in the first round but was > >narrowly defeated in the second. One could conjecture that this was > >because the Republican was the second choice of most Libertarians. > >But there were downsides to this runoff: the second round was an > >additional expense to candidates and to the public. Voter turnout > >dropped dramatically. Candidates had to continue their campaigns and > >expenditures for another few weeks. All of these negative effects > >could be remedied by using Instant Runoff Voting. 1. IRV is cheaper > >for the public. IRV elections occur all on one day, so the taxpayer > >does not have to pay to open the polls twice. 2. IRV is cheaper for > >the candidates. Two-round elections require additional weeks of > >campaigning and this requires more money. This is a especially > >problematic for underfunded challengers coming from outside the > >establishment. 3. IRV increases voter turnout. Abundant historical > >evidence shows that the second round of a two-round runoff almost > >always has lower voter turnout. This is particularly unfortunate > >because it is at the second round that the final winner is actually > >decided. 4. Standard runoffs usually eliminate all but the top two > >candidates right after the first round (and thus always takes no more > >than two rounds). On the other hand, IRV eliminates only the > >candidate with the current lowest vote count each round (and thus can > >take several rounds). This makes IRV superior for races in which > >there are more than three serious candidates, as is often the case in > >party primaries. Consider the 1981 Democratic primary for mayor of > >New York, which was held as a two-round runoff. The top two > >candidates in the first round, who went on to the second round, were > >Ed Koch with 22% of the vote and Mario Cuomo with 20% of the vote. > >Even combined, they got less than half the vote! Had IRV been used, > >the candidates would have been eliminated one-by-one, and their > >supporters' votes transferred. Potentially, a third candidate could > >have moved ahead and won the nomination. > > > >5. IS INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING A FORM OF PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION? > > > >No, but it's part of the same family of election reforms. > >Proportional representation (PR) is an election system that provides > >minority represenation with majority rule for a legislative body, > >like Congress, your state legislature, County Board or Village > >Commissioners. Instant Runoff Voting is for races for only one > >office, like President, Mayor and Governor. Supporters of PR should > >support IRV because it is a stepping stone to PR. Some forms of PR > >also use a system of ranked votes, therefore IRV can be seen as a > >form of voter education leading towards PR. > > > >6. WHEN AND WHERE HAS INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING BEEN USED? > > > >IRV was invented in the United States in the 1870's by a professor at > >MIT. It is used in Ireland to elect their president and other > >officials, in Australia to elect their Senate, in London, UK for > >Mayor and in America to elect the president of the American Political > >Science Association. It was also used in several U.S. states for > >partisan primaries in the 1910's and 1920's and in the 1970's in Ann > >Arbor, Michigan. The Reform Party also uses it to nominate their > >candidate for President (they only had 2 candidates in 2000, so they > >didn't need IRV). It is being heavily considered for use in Vermont, > >Alaska, New Mexico and in some local elections in Washington and > >California. To learn more about these state efforts, click here. > > > >7. ISN'T THIS TOO CONFUSING FOR VOTERS? > > > >IRV asks the voters to rank the candidates in order of preference: 1, > >2, 3, 4, etc. You can argue until you're blue in the face, but THAT > >IS NOT HARD TO DO. 1,2,3. How hard is that? If a voter wants to do > >it the old way, they can rank one candidate "#1" and walk out, but > >they probably will not want to do so, because their voice is more > >fully heard when they rank the candidates. Voters in Ireland, > >Australia and London, England all use IRV and we're not dumber than > >they are, are we? > > > >After the 2000 Florida Presidential fiasco, a lot of you may be > >saying, "well, IRV is easy for me to understand, but there's > >obviously some people out there who aren't that bright." WRONG. > >People are not that stupid. The main problem (among many others) in > >Florida was two-pronged: 1) the voting equipment couldn't count, and > >2) the form of the ballot design (mostly the 'butterfly' punch card > >system) was visually designed in a confusing manner. In other words, > >what confused folks was how the election was delivered to the voters, > >not that the voters themselves were so dense in the head they didn't > >understand the concept of how to vote. > > > >A well designed ballot, good equipment that can count and a > >rudimentary public information campaign effort is all that is needed > >to carry-out a smooth IRV election--the voters will understand and > >love it, because it's really "as easy as 1, 2, 3." > > > >8. CAN OUR VOTING EQUIPMENT HANDLE IRV? > > > >Good question. In some places, yes; in some, no. Optical scan > >sheets could be designed to use IRV and more advanced touch-screens > >could easily incorporate IRV or even other fancy voting schemes. > >Believe it or not, even the punch card system could be designed to > >support IRV. It would be ugly, but possible. You may want to have > >post-vote verification machines handy so the voter can verify their > >ballot was punched properly, but we should have those anyways. > > > >Since we're on the subject, this issue of voting equipment is > >obviously a hot topic these days, again, because of Florida. One > >effect of the Supreme Court ruling in Bush v Gore is that the Equal > >Protection Clause may require more uniformity in voting equipment > >across a state. Many voting districts, and maybe whole states, will > >be investing in new equipment in the next year or so. Now is the > >time for concerned citizens to ask their voting officials to not only > >improve the equipment, but make sure the equipment is capable of > >handling all types of voting schemes, like IRV or other Proportional > >Representation methods. > > > >Yes. Voting equipment is a hurdle for IRV, but now's the best time > >in decades to make the right change. > > > > > > > > > >Kill the 'wasted vote' syndrome by ranking candidates (1, 2, 3) and > >requiring a majority of votes to win. > > > >To subscribe: instantrunoff-subscribe@egroups.com > > > >For more information: www.fairvote.org, www.midwestdemocracy.org, > >www.prairienet.org/icpr, www.instantrunoff.com > > > >MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT! > > > To manage your subscription to this list or read the message archives, >click: http://www.egroups.com/group/gpnj-members/ > (Note: GPNJ does not approve, endorse, or benefit from eGroups >advertising.) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>From: dlj@... >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Richard Barrett in Cincinnati >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:39:17 -0000 > >As if the problem in Cincinnati is not bad enough, Richard Barrett of >the Nationalist Movement came here to show his support for the local >police. He held a little conference at the Police Memorial where he >laid a wreath in memory of the officers who died in the line of duty. >Here's the fun part. Originally he was to hold his confernce at city >hall, but UPON SUGGESTION BY POLICE OFFICERS moved to the memorial, >which is just outside the police station. Cincy Fraternal Order of >Police head Keith Fangman, who a few days ago was taking shots at >Kwesi Mfume for being an "outsider", thanked and applauded Barrett >after his remarks! > >To that end there are going to be some very angry people at the City >Council meeting on Wednesday at 2PM. They want Fangman and the Cincy >police to do some explaining. White supremacist groups are making a >pilgrimage to Cincy, and if this is what to expect from our police, >brace yourselves. If you know anyone in the area that can go and >speak out, let them know about this. > >DLJ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
howard, you should be in the coalition for justice egroups site. joe >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>, <njfo@egroups.com> >CC: <senormart@...>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, ><jeanross55@...>, <sisterhoodNstruggle1@...>, ><tamaradahan@...>, <nita_08901@...>, ><breakingchains@...>, <sherryRT@...> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:31:04 -0400 > >Platform Committee Recommendations to the CFJ re upcoming Sat Meeting >4-21-2001 > >We have at least 2 main responsibilities: >A. Build the case for the 9 Demands as they have been stated publicly and >discussed in the media. By build is meant detail of rationale, specifics of >structure, and defining more exactly what we mean -- all of this so that >the >CFJ `negotiating' team has as much pertinent information as possible to >make >the case for each demand. >B. Where possible for the May 16th March/Protest, restate our 9 Demands and >expand them without losing the essential demands' focus -- for example >including Cliff's stated Point 1 as part of Demand 4; Cliff's point 2 as an >element under Demand 2 and Demand 3 for pursuit by the Independent >Prosecutor as we expand the definition of `racial' profiling to mean any >kind of prejudicial profiling. > >Expanding on our committee responsibilities, please give me your thoughts >on >the following: > >A. Demand 1 -- Are we in agreement with the structure and powers of the >proposed independent civilian-controlled police control board? You have the >essentials in the packet I gave out Sat 4-14-01. If you want the entire >beast let me know and I'll email the 30+ pages to you. Cliff, your >recommendation for residency requirements is a good one which we should ask >the CFJ to push as we push for the CCPCB -- and it doesn't have to wait on >the CCPCB struggle. Perhaps it fits logically under Demand 8 -- Hiring of >more minority officers; also your other part of comment 3 falls within the >essentials of the CCPCB proposal. >A. Demand 2 -- Independent Prosecutor -- To be either popularly elected >ASAP, or selected by lottery from four candidates selected one each from >the >ACLU-NJ, NAACP-NJ, NJ Bar Assn, and the Urban League. These are highly >respected, national type organizations (every state has their own bar >association --- perhaps we need a state-wide Hispanic-representing >organization to offer a candidate prosecutor? >A. Demand 3 -- Legislation re racial profiling to be expanded to >prejudicial >profiling as I defined in one of Sat's handouts. If you want to improve the >definition of prejudicial profiling let me know. The basic idea is that no >one should be treated unfairly for any reason or nonreason. Justification >for detrimental treatment must be obvious. >A. Demand 4 -- Reopening of police brutality cases -- we need to raise the >question to the CFJ if we mean the ca. 30 people who have been KILLED by >police in NJ during the past 10 years under `suspicious' circumstances - >about 27 cases of which are briefly documented in the book `Stolen Lives.' >How about the perhaps hundreds of cases of police brutality that did not >result in death of the victim? Do we demand that all of these cases be >reopened --- and reopened by the Indep Prosecutor? >I say YES! If you agree, someone will need to survey the NJ populace and >really interview/document those who have been PHYSICALLY injured, as >starters. Those who have been insulted via prejudicial profiling is another >massive endeavor. Do we recommend this to the CFJ for longer term followup? >A, Demand 5 -- Verniero et al we've covered. For the first round of Demands >I recommend that we include Poritz and Whitman. The Independent Prosecutor >should be pressed to pursue the entire StatePolice chain-of-command >involved >in this highway racial profiling [civil rights + violations]. Longer term, >pursue this same issue in local police agencies. >A. Demand 6 -- Hogan and Kenna . This is clear and specific >A. Demand 7 -- Racial bias and BRUTALITY history/tendency testing. Was >candidate a high school bully; does the candidate have a history of >torturing or killing animals, abusing others? >A. Demand 8 and 9 -- Hiring and promoting of more minority officers. We >need >to demand objective standards for promotion set by an `outside' auditing >board that will provide continuing oversight of the processes of hiring and >promotion evaluation. >If the standards and implementation are fair, the selection process should >be based simply on merit. As with medical personnel, we want the best for >these life-and-death decisions selected on the basis of competence. Lemme >know if you disagree. > >B. Longer term -- Items 4 (direct elections), 5 (reparations), 7 and 8 of >Cliff's notes need to be presented to the CFJ for consideration and >prioritization assuming the CFJ will expand its social-economic-political >thrust.Each of these pusuits will call for dynamic committees and liason >with existing organizations. Item 6 in Cliff's notes I personally still >can't agree with -- it's too broad brush for me especially since I don't >know if there are decent Republicans in the legislature like Gormley >perhaps. I suggest we attack the issues and support those who we as >individuals feel are worthy of our vote -- as an organization we should not >endorse or oppose a party. Let's educate the populace objectively and >PASSIONATELY and have faith that they'll vote for justice. I fully support >a >presentation by Cliff or anyone to the CFJ of differing views. > >In addition, we need to add to our list of possible suggestions to the CFJ >for After-May 16 consideration -- > >-- Death Penalty moratorium and elimination >-- Essential health and civil rights for prisoners, including review of NJ >prison labor procedures, parole for non-violent prisoners, job training and >employment assistance for parolees -- and all indigent so that they do not >have to go to prison to obtain necessary education and employment >assistance. >-- A Freedom of Information Act worthy of the name. This would help prevent >a lot of corrupt practices. Belive it or not, Florida has a highly reputed >FOIA. We could readily get guidance from the ACLU and the existing NJ bill >on this subject. >-- Welfare -- the Clinton Welfare DEFORM Act of 1996 is wreaking havoc >among >much of the chronically poor. Infant mortality, INFANTICIDE BY GOVERNMENT >EDICT AND NEGLECT, has risen. The crunch will become even more severe in >the >next 2 years as the 5 year lifetime limit on welfare occurs for many poor >families. What then for these folks? Particularly given the economic >downturn which will mean reduced welfare possibilities for the neediest. >What's our plan to protect the present and soon to be helpless? >-- Living Wage not Minimum Wage -- You'll see info on this in the packet I >gave at last Sat's meeting. > >Who wants to speak to the CFJ group on what subjects? I believe I can >handle >Demands 1 and 2 -- CCPCB and Independent Prosecutor and perhaps anything >else that no one else picks. Please feel free to add comments AFTER the >presenter's comments.Summarize your recommendations and rationales for CFJ >action. We may be lucky to get 5 minutes per subject. At this point we want >to elicit comments and ideas in addition to our own, and come back on the >April 28 with a better consensus set of short and long term positions and >plans. > >Let us all know what you all think, ASAP. Think or Sink! > >Blessings. >Howard > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >To: <njfo@egroups.com> >Cc: <senormart@...>; <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; ><howardnelson@...>; <jeanross55@...>; ><sisterhoodNstruggle1@...>; <tamaradahan@...>; ><nita_08901@...>; <breakingchains@...>; ><sherryRT@...> >Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:19 PM > > > > Date: Sun Apr 15, 2001 7:09pm > > Subject: platform committee discussion > > coalition for justice > > march on trenton, may 16 > > > > the meeting of the platform committee, sunday 1pm, new > > brunswick, centered around developing and expanding the scope of the >March > > platform , its program and demands, in order to strengthen our base, >build > > broader unity, reflect developments in the campaign, and better address >the > > issues within their national & historic context. > > > > our general agreements were that a "broad, not narrow" > > vision would better organize our different communities toward the >necessary > > elimination of police abuses, rather than merely replacing this or that > > figurehead. > > > > further, that we need to address our issues in how they > > exist in political reality, and finally, on what happens to our >developing > > movement beyond the march. > > > > 1. the call for verniero's immediate removal must be > > expanded to demand the sworn-in investigation of former gov. whitman, >former > > ag poritz, and the entire hierarchy of the state police. these people >all > > were involved in the policy of profiling & abuse, and its cover-up. > > > > 2. the issue of police abuses of women must be >prominent >in > > our program. this is a well-documented trend in nj, but has been > > conspicuously absent from any outcry. we point to repeated instances of > > sexual harrassment/assault in police stops, police involvement in > > prostitution/sex-slavery, police violence toward their domestic >partners, > > and harrassment/abuse of female police including female troopers. > > > > 3. the "review board w/ subpoena & disciplinary powers" >is > > better named an elected, civilian, police-control board. the point is, >do > > the police control the community, or does the community control the >police? > > only by placing the police under direct control of the community (not >merely > > review!), will abuses be eliminated. > > > > further, there must be residency requirements and open > > files on all police officers. > > > > 4. the question of community control and democracy also > > must include the direct election (& immediate recall) of all state >officials > > with positions of authority. including judges, prosecutors, & police > > chiefs. if we could vote verniero out, we wouldn't be caught in a > > republican legislative obstacle course. > > > > 5. we must understand, and state openly, that police >abuses > > are a result of social inequalities. that no amount of reform within >the > > police will eliminate abuses if general social inequality continues. >that > > is, e.g., street crime is a product of poverty & oppression. until >these > > conditions are eliminated, police will always "profile" "criminals", >while > > claiming to protect & serve. > > > > we must put forward the democratic calls for >reparations > > and self-determination for all oppressed peoples. in this way to >eliminate > > social inequality, and with it, social abuses. one > > practical example would be free education for all blacks, latinos, > > and women in new jersey. > > > > 6. that our program must openly target the republican >party > > as the most dangerous, most aggressive advocate of profiling & police >abuse. > > these actions are most openly encouraged by republican party operatives >and > > policies. whitman got promoted after(!) being exposed in profiling > > "pat-down" (or was that her initiation?). we must defeat defransesco in > > november and all republicans! > > > > 7. that francis lawrence, president of the state >university > > (rutgers) must be removed for classifying black people as "genetically > > inferior". this anti-scientific, backward claim, by the head of the >state's > > highest, public, educational institution provided ideological support, a > > lynch-mentality, for any racist thug cop. > > > > 8. that after the march we must meet immediately to >assess > > our successes & failures, criticize our errors, and learn lessons to >build > > on. we should seek to unite our forces with all progressive forces in >nj > > toward building a broad, democratic, peoples' united front to fight all > > social problems toward building a peoples' democratic workers' party. > > > > And finally, that we should plan to hold a > > conference/summit in the fall, before the election, to develop and >advance > > our organization. > > > > we welcome all criticisms, suggestions, concerns, &tc. > > toward this. > > > > defeat racist/sexist profiling & police abuse! > > > > cliff smith > > platform committee > > 732.214.8828 > > cliffsmith69@... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
good point re: faculty & staff. the "no politics" group are democrats. mcgreasy, if he wants to win, takes a big gamble to allow distractions from defeating the republicans. which we revolutionary democracy-ites also need to do, as we build the peoples' democratic workers' party. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:32:26 > > > >Joe makes a very good argument here for joining forces around the elected >school board question. I would only add two points: >1. Along with mobilizing the youth, it is essential to make inroads with >the >teachers and staff workers within the school system. It seems that this >has >consistantly been this campaign's weekest link. >2. Don't underestimate the city's determination and ability to fight the >referendum, regardless of common push for McGreesy...that's what their >'independant' Committee to Keep (People's) Politics out of Our Schools is >for. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:24 -0400 >to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion... >the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01, >specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign? >1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an >elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community >control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that >goal >given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and >therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community >control. >2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all >of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united >fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything >forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly. >3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new >brunswick >ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed >school >board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in >our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the >eyes >of its supporters. >4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our >campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the >ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth >down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls: >I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain >one - vote yes elected school board >two - vote mcgreasy >the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote >mcgreasy. >II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as >we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for >governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his >campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their >energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate. >(nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the >state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school >board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford >to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the >campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error. >III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city >council seats, if we win the elected school board this year, >it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and >city council. the campaign for the elected school board would >be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city >council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the >community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the >way to build. >IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the >democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected >school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i >will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen! >5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back >into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of >the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then >the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize >amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their >schools. >6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in >the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a >week >beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from >nbpc >get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a >week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and >addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we >registered >to vote last year (these >would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign) >7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does >not work on it.... >joe smith > >From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination Date: Mon, 16 Apr > >2001 21:39:25 -0000 > > > >(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC) > > > >Joe: > > > >I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka >poem. > >However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of bigotry. Do > >you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are valid? Do you > >think Jim's comments are justified? > > > >As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the > >housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written resolution >to > >urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at the next NBHA > >meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to vote against the > >monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with regard to its > >contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of Republicans, I do not view > >Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" [sic] or an enemy of public > >housing residents. > > > >Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of the > >elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your views of >the > >question of why it should be run again in 2001, specifically addressing >it > >in the context of the 2000 campaign. Also, what are your views on whether >a > >referendum for a ward-based instead of at-large council should be run in > >2001, in addition to or instead of the elected school board question. > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" wrote: > i did not post the > >poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of > the campaign, i > >would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely > outraged" >that > >bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of > public > >housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather > >than > >being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are our > enemies? > >nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public > >housing. > >under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the > >democratic > >machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine. > > i >can't > >relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less > about >the > >people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic > > >community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the > > > >elected school board campaign april 28. > > joe > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > Get > >your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... >Your use of Yahoo! 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check out this article below and remember, bush2 hasn't even made his appointment yet. joe From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [coalitionforjustice] ACLU Press Release 04-24-01 -- Two upreme Court Rulings Expand Police Powers a Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:19:27 -0400 ACLU Press Release: 04-24-01 -- Two Supreme Court Rulings Expand Police Powers and Limit Civil Rights Enforcement Two Supreme Court Rulings Expand Police Powers and Limit Civil Rights Enforcement FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Tuesday, April 24, 2001 WASHINGTON--In a narrow 5-4 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court today aid that people stopped for minor offenses punishable only by a fine, suh as not using seatbelts or jaywalking, can be subject to a full-scalepolice arrest including handcuffs, booking and jail. A divided court also made it harder to enforce the nation's civil rights laws, ruling that any recipients of federal funding, including states, schools and colleges, may not be sued for policies that have a discriminatory effect on blacks, Latinos or other minorities. The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed friend-of-the-court briefs in both cases, called the rulings a blow to civil liberties and warned that the decisions may have dire consequences for the nation�s people of color. �In one fell swoop, the Court has both increased the potential for racial profiling and diminished 30 years of civil rights law designed to protect victims of discrimination,� said Steven R. Shapiro, legal director of the ACLU. At issue in the police arrest case, Atwater v. Lago Vista, No. 99-1948, was whether someone who is charged with a misdemeanor that is punishable only by a fine, not jail time, could be arrested and jailed prior to conviction at the sole discretion of a police officer. The case involved a Texas �soccer mom� who is white; but in its legal brief, the ACLU warned that giving the police such discretionary authority too often represents an open invitation to racial profiling of African American, Latino and other minority motorists. Indeed, noted Justice Sandra Day O�Connor, author of the dissenting opinion, �as the recent debate over racial profiling demonstrates all too clearly, a relatively minor traffic infraction may often serve as an excuse for stopping and harassing an individual.� Susan Herman, author of the ACLU brief and a professor at Brooklyn Law School, said that the case had offered the Justices an opportunity to address the critical question of whether there are any objective limitations on the power to arrest. But instead of setting much-needed boundaries on police authority, �the Court settled for no limits at all,� she said. In Alexander v. Sandoval, No. 99-1908, the Court barred private individuals from filing lawsuits under the 1964 Civil Rights Act contending that federally funded programs are operated in a way that discriminates, in practice, on the basis of race or ethnic background. > > The court rejected a lawsuit by a group of non-English-speaking >motorists in Alabama, who contended that a state motor vehicle policy of >giving driver's license tests only in English has the effect of >discriminating on the basis of ethnic background. > > �With today�s ruling,� the ACLU�s Shapiro said, �the Court has turned >back the clock on three decades of civil rights enforcement." > > �For more than a quarter-century, laws forbidding discrimination in >federally assisted programs or activities have been a mainstay of national >civil rights policy,� Shapiro said. �Congress clearly intended to allow >such lawsuits under the 1964 Act.� > > Even the majority recognized that such lawsuits are appropriate to >combat intentional discrimination, but outlawed their use to challenge >programs that have a discriminatory effect, he explained. > > In light of today�s Supreme Court decision, Shapiro said, �Congress must >act once again to ensure that victims of discrimination can have their day >in court." > > "More than ever,� he added, "the burden is now on the Department of >Justice and other federal agencies to ensure that federal tax dollars are >not used to support this kind of discrimination.� > > The ACLU's legal brief in the Atwater case is online at: >http://www.aclu.org/court/atwater.html. The Sandoval legal brief is >available at: http://www.aclu.org/court/sandoval.pdf. > > > >Copyright 2001, The American Civil Liberties Union _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
For march on trenton may 16. this is sound training for other marches/rallies/protesets. the training is free and is being instructed by a professional marshall (march guide/security) trainer. joe From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Responsibilities of Marshals Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:00:53 -0400 We need a lot of marshals to guide the 4 columns of marchers. We need you. Last marshal training session at CWA in Trenton at 9:30AM, this Sat --- 321 W. State Street. Bring your male or female body and brain. The training, including role-playing, is really worthwhile and necessary. Here's my summary of some of what was taught. Howard _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
For information. JoeMosley >From: indpol@... >Reply-To: indpol@... >To: ippn-announce@... >Subject: [IPPN] On Winning Hearts and Minds >Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:38:08 -0400 > >Future Hope column, April 23, 2001 > > >On Winning Hearts and Minds > >by Ted Glick > >A year ago, on April 17th, 2000, I wrote a Future Hope column which >likened both the forms of action and the relative organizational >coherence of the April 16th actions in D.C. against the IMF/World Bank >to a regular army without violent weapons, a "non-violent army." After >being in the middle of the April 20 (and A21 and A22) Day(s) of Direct >Action against the FTAA in Quebec City, I think some questions must be >raised and addressed as to if that description is still accurate, and >the political implications. > >Make no mistake about it: the battle we are waging against the global >capitalist order is a political battle, first and foremost, far and >away. It is not a military battle because if it were we'd be snuffed out >in a New York minute. It's not an economic battle because, even with all >of our coops and alternative economic institutions, as important as they >are, our "economy" will never just grow and grow to the point at which >the corporate economy is supplanted; it's not in the cards. Our primary >work, the touchstone of all of our discussions concerning tactics, must >be about winning the hearts and minds of literally tens of millions of >North Americans. It is only that broad base of support, out of which can >grow a bigger and bigger movement of organizers and activists, which >will make the changes we seek possible. > >Based upon my experiences in Quebec City, as well as in D.C., >Philadelphia and Los Angeles last year, I don't think all of those >involved in this righteous struggle share the view that it is primarily >political, that we need to develop and adjust tactics with the hearts >and minds of those tens of millions in the forefront of our thinking. >I'm referring specifically to many-not all, but many, it seems-of those >who are commonly seen as making up the Black Bloc. > >Don't get me wrong. I view the Black Bloc and individual members I know >as friends and allies. As I have gotten to know some of them >individually over the past year, I have come to respect their >commitment, their courage, their willingness to be on the front lines in >the confrontations with the police and the military. I cheered on April >20th in Quebec City when young people (all young men, from what I >observed), often dressed in black and wearing gas masks and insulated >gloves, repeatedly pounced on the tear gas canister shells shot by the >police and hurled or kicked them back from whence they came. When one >young person dressed in black, standing 10 feet from me, was hit >directly by a canister and knocked in great pain to the ground, so badly >hurt that he had to be carried away by others, the angry language I used >would not have made my parents proud. > >Yet I saw other things involving Black Bloc members. > >After our huge march arrived at the Wall of Shame close to the FTAA >meeting site, and after portions of the fence were torn down and tear >gas began to be used, I watched as young men on the front lines threw >snowballs, bottles, sticks and stones at heavily padded police guarding >the now-open area. As the battle went on, it turned uglier, and not just >on the police side. Our front-line warriors picked up foot square paving >stones, broke them in half and threw these chunks at the cops. I saw >none do any observable damage; the cops' clear plastic shields, and >their helmets and padding, seemed to frustrate any direct hits. But what >if there had been direct hits? > >Early the following morning, during a temporary lull in the battle for >control of the hilltop plaza close to the FTAA meeting site, I checked >out the situation. I took a picture of the area where the paving stones >had been picked up and broken. As I did so a man who talked and looked >as if he were a local Quebec City resident said to me, "Those stones >could have badly hurt one of the police, and what if he were a father?" >I agreed with him, while also commenting on the violence of the FTAA. > >Or what about this: toward the end of the afternoon, I watched as a >young man from within our ranks, without gas mask, bandana or any other >protection, courageously moved within ten feet of the police lines at >one point, saying something to them, then turned to walk back to where >hundreds of people were sitting. Before he got back he was hit by a >large stone with a glancing blow to the side of the head. The stone was >thrown at the police by one of us, someone who had little common sense >and a not very accurate arm. The young man who was hit staggered for a >few yards, then sank to the ground. He had to be helped away by others. > >And others have told me about seeing the use of molotov cocktails by >those from within our ranks. Whether these were Black Bloc'ers or agent >provocateurs is unknown. > >Which brings us back to the "hearts and minds" issue. > >It may be that individual Black Bloc'ers wouldn't have been bothered if >serious injury had been done to one of the cops as a result of their >actions. I don't think that is a good thing, but I can at least >understand it. But they should care if the tactics they use are directly >responsible for injury to those of us who are also out there putting our >bodies on the line, and they should care about the effect of their >tactics on those broad masses of working-class people who know little >about either the FTAA or us and who, unfortunately, rely on the >corporate media for their information. And although we don't control >that media, we can have some influence over how and what they report >depending upon what tactics we use. > >I can just hear what some would say in response: pacifism and >non-violence aren't militant enough. We can't trust the media. We need >to kick ass, let them know of our anger, provide an example to oppressed >people of willingness to fight the agents of repression. > >I think of something Dave Dellinger once said about non-violence. He was >referring to the Cuban Revolution, and he described it as "essentially >non-violent," even though Fidel, Che and his compatriots were armed and >attacked the military forces of the Batista dictatorship. Dave explained >this by talking about how, after a battle, the Cuban revolutionaries >would take care of the wounded Batista soldiers, bandage up their >wounds, encourage them to support the revolutionary cause. Although >armed, they understood that their struggle was primarily political, and >they did not have a macho, militaristic mindset. > >Che Guevera himself, according to an article by Dellinger in a recent >issue of Toward Freedom, is quoted as saying that in the U.S., "the most >heavily armed nation in the world. . . the only way to succeed was >through nonviolent protests, including civil disobedience." > >And look at the Zapatistas! This is a present-day example of a movement >that understands clearly the limits of violence and use of arms, that >comprehends at the core of their being the overwhelmingly political >essence of their struggle and acts accordingly. > >But we don't have to look beyond our shores for examples of militant >alternatives to Black Bloc tactics. All we have to do is look at what >was really the most impressive and politically powerful-if it could get >through the media spin of "violent protests"-aspect of the FTAA battles >this past weekend: the heroic, unarmed, non-violent persistence of the >overwhelming majority of the direct actionists. > >For upwards of four hours on A20 we held onto significant portions of >the Boulevard Rene Levesque hilltop plaza area. Despite repeated use of >tear gas, and though we often had to retreat, thousands of us kept >coming back. We kept moving closer and closer to police lines, using the >weapons of non-violent mobility, music, drumming, frisbee-playing, to >reclaim, little by little, lost ground. One police line area, near >Avenue Turnbull, was essentially taken by us through the use of these >tactics. It was at this point, around 6 P.M., that the police must have >decided that more was needed from their side, and they unleashed a >massive barrage of tear gas while advancing with dogs to force us off >the plaza and down into the side streets. > >How did we accomplish this limited, tactical victory of holding at least >some of the plaza all afternoon? > >1) We had massive numbers, in the many thousands, possibly as many as >20,000 people at the height of the action. >2) Many of those thousands were organized into affinity groups that had >gone through training in non-violent action. >3) There were people willing and prepared to risk themselves by >immediately picking up the tear gas canisters and throwing them away >from our ranks, minimizing the tear gas effects. And there were people >willing to go up to the front and tear down the fence, risking arrest or >police attacks. >4) There were medics available to help with injuries, and there was a >spirit of cooperation and mutual support within our ranks when someone >was injured. >5) There was extensive media presence with lots of cameras. >6) We had drummers, whistlers, musicians, chants, radical cheerleaders, >dancers, frisbee players and flags and banners to keep our spirits up. > >None of these elements involved violence against people. > >We need to look a little more deeply into this question of non-violence >as it applies to our movement against global capitalism. > >As I have observed and experienced it, non-violence can mean one of >several things: > >It can be a lifestyle, a conscious effort to, as much as humanly >possible, make one's day-to-day thoughts, actions and living patterns do >no damage, physical, emotional or spiritual, to any living thing. This >means everything from refusing to engage in physical fighting, to >serious reflection on racism, sexism, heterosexism, class privilege and >other forms of domination/oppression, to vegetarianism and veganism. The >aim is to practice what we preach, in a wholistic way, to be a >love-and-life-centered person. > >It can have to do mainly with the tactics used in campaigns and >movements for social change, as referred to above. > >Or it can be seen as a strategy for revolutionary change, THE way that, >over time, we will overcome and replace an unjust and oppressive social >order. Alternative economic institutions, boycotts, strikes, non-violent >direct action are the main ways this would happen. > >It is important that we separate out these different aspects of what >people mean when they say "non-violence." It is important because we >need clarity when we are discussing the question at hand, how to win the >hearts and minds of millions. > >Personally, I don't see "non-violence," non-violence alone, as a >potentially winning strategy. There is much more that we have to be >about, including the formation of an alternative to the Democrats and >Republicans, one which runs independent candidates and is grounded in >and accountable to grassroots, broadly-based social movements. On the >other hand, I do believe that we should all be striving to become as >non-violent as possible in the way we live our personal lives, and I >believe that, in the United States context, creative, militant, mobile, >non-violent direct action is the appropriate set of tactics we should be >using in situations like A20. > >What might this have meant in Quebec City? What if, in advance, there >had been an agreement that only those types of tactics would have been >acceptable? What might have happened? > >The fence would have been torn down. Non-violence, to me, does not >foreclose a limited amount of focused property destruction. Some >property should not exist or should not be used in the ways it is. > >In response to the police use of tear gas, instead of throwing >increasingly dangerous projectiles at them, we would have done what we >did later in the afternoon: throw the tear gas back, hold our ground as >much as possible, come back from the tear gas attacks, use creative >tactics like music and dancing to "calm the savage beasts" in their >Darth Vader uniforms, and get up close to police lines. We would have >talked to the cops-and been overheard by the many reporters and >cameramen swarming all around-about why we were there, how they also >stood to gain from our efforts to prevent the destruction of our >environment and to end poverty and starvation. If those would have >worked, at some point we might have begun moving in an organized way to >attempt to push through those lines, determining the best place to do so >based upon the responses we were getting from the other side. If, for >example, one of the police smiled at us, or indicated in some other way >a sympathy for what we were saying, that would probably be the place >where we would make our first effort to deliberately break through. > >Almost certainly, once we did this, or before things got to this point, >those higher up in the police would react. They might well react >aggressively, either arresting or beating us. They might use tear gas in >massive quantities, although they would be somewhat constrained by the >mass media being so close. Indeed, they would probably have difficulty >deciding what to do. Whatever they did, they would be seen as the "bad >guys." More than likely, a good bit of the media spin would be not about >"violent protests" but, instead, "violent cops." > >Throwing dangerous stones, glass and sand-filled bottles, molotov >cocktails, using sling shots-these are tactics our enemy welcomes. >Indeed, it is an established fact that historically, agent provocateurs >have infiltrated movements like ours and done whatever they could to get >the rest of us to use violent tactics. This allows them to more easily >obscure our message, come across as anti-violence themselves. > >Disciplined, militant, creative, non-violent tactics, in contrast, make >it much more likely that our basic message will not be as distorted. We >will gain more sympathy from neutral observers who will want to learn >more as they see us being willing to face tear gas, pepper spray, water >cannons, plastic bullets, arrests, beatings, dogs, horses or whatever >else the rulers decide to use. Less militant and partial allies will be >emboldened to speak up and take stronger action themselves. > >What does this mean as far as our relations with the groups/individuals >who make up or relate to the Black Bloc? > >We need to separate our personal friendships with individuals within >this sector of our movement from our strategic and tactical views of >what is necessary if we are to be ultimately effective in our >objectives. Families have internal differences, even fights, and they >still stay together. They work out arrangements. > >But we do need more conscious back-and-forth over these questions: > >-How can we convince tens of millions of people of the justice of our >cause? >-How can we integrate growing numbers of those tens of millions into our >organizations and actions? >-How can we build upon our tactical experiences since Seattle and make >adjustments? >-Is mimicking the tactics of the U.S. military and police consistent >with the goals we have, the new society we are striving to bring into >being? >-How should those of us who believe that, yes, a "non-violent army" is >what we need get ourselves connected so that our views can be put out >more broadly within the overall movement? >-How should we relate to the Black Bloc? > > >Quebec City was a victory for our movement. It could have been a bigger >victory, but it was a victory. Bush, Cretien, Fox and their ilk were on >the defensive because of the hard work of thousands of people and the >depth of support for our basic message. But this was only one battle in >an on-going war. Before the next battle, let's check ourselves out. The >need is urgent. > > >Ted Glick is the National Coordinator of the Independent Progressive >Politics Network (www.ippn.org) and author of Future Hope: A Winning >Strategy for a Just Society. He can be reached at futurehopeTG@... >or P.O. Box 1132, Bloomfield, N.J. 07003. > >[This message sent using the IPPN Announce e-mail list. You can join this >low-traffic email group on alternative politics by sending a blank email >to: >ippn-announce-subscribe@... You can unsubscribe by writing >ippn-announce-unsubscribe@... > >To participate in a more active discussion of independent and third >party politics, please send a blank email to: >ippn-discuss-subscribe@... > >Thanks! 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My heart goes out to all who are risking their bodies for justice and
freedom in Quebec. Congratulations, you succeeded in disrupting the first
day of the FTAA! More to come tomorrow!
An important aside: A prominent organizer named Jaggi Singh was singled out
as a "leader" of the protests and captured by undercover Canadian police. He
was pulled from a crowd and dragged away. At this point, his whereabouts are
not known. Jaggi was one of the organizers from Quebec who presented the
anti-FTAA teach-in at Rutgers on February 26. In addition to being an
amazingly knowledgeable and dedicated organizer, he's an incredibly
compassionate and genuine person. It's sick that he would be targeted. If I
receive any information about things we can do to support him and get him
freed, I'll send it along ...
xoxo
jeff
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"Bush remained holed up in his hotel as the summit's opening
ceremonies were delayed more than an hour. He was forced to
cancel one meeting and postpone or abbreviate others...
The participating nations were determined to avoid a repeat
of the disturbances that marred the 1999 meeting of the
World Trade Organization in Seattle, but the summit's first
day was badly disrupted....
>From Washington today came an announcement that some
protesters might welcome. U.S. Trade Representative Robert
Zoellick announced that the Bush administration will subject
future trade agreements to environmental reviews."
Protesters Seize Day In Quebec
Trade Foes Tear Gassed At Summit of Americas
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 21, 2001; Page A01
QUEBEC CITY, April 20 -- President Bush and 33 other Western
Hemisphere leaders seeking to build the world's largest
free-trade zone opened a summit meeting today as clouds of
tear gas and violent demonstrations played havoc with
schedules and delayed meetings.
Bush remained holed up in his hotel as the summit's opening
ceremonies were delayed more than an hour. He was forced to
cancel one meeting and postpone or abbreviate others because
the movements of heads of state around Quebec City were
hampered by the anti-globalization protests.
"If they are protesting because of free trade, I'd say I
disagree," Bush said. "I think trade is very important to
this hemisphere. Trade not only helps spread propserity but
trade helps spread freedom."
In the lobby of the Loews Hotel, confusion reigned, as Bush
aides scrambled to keep track of the changing schedule while
watching the riots on television. Colombian President Andres
Pastrana waited out the delays in the cocktail lounge.
Bush departed Washington this morning hoping to use the
Summit of the Americas to boost his push for "trade
promotion authority," or fast-track negotiating authority,
which would allow him to negotiate trade agreements that
Congress could only approve or reject, not rewrite.
Bush would use that power to negotiate a 34-nation Free
Trade Area of the Americas by 2005 -- a goal made difficult
by foot-dragging in Brazil and opposition in Congress.
Setting the countries on track toward that objective is the
main business of this summit
On the South Lawn of the White House, Bush made an appeal
for domestic support for free trade in the hemisphere by
citing its importance to Hispanics, an increasingly
influential voting segment.
"Many Americans trace their heritage to other parts of the
Americas, which enriches our culture," he said. "Many
American businesses are finding growth and trade in the
Americas, which expands our economy. And all Americans have
an interest in the peace and stability of our closest
neighbors."
"We must approach this goal in a spirit of civility," he
said.
In Quebec City today, however, there was very little
civility as police and demonstrators clashed a half mile
from the convention center where the summit was convening.
There were few reports of arrests or injuries, but the
demonstrators partially achieved their goal of disrupting
events.
The center of the city remained tense tonight, with very
little traffic and officers in military fatigues stationed
on most corners.
The authorities had sealed off the city center with fences
and concrete barricades, but demonstrators breached the
barricades in places.
The participating nations were determined to avoid a repeat
of the disturbances that marred the 1999 meeting of the
World Trade Organization in Seattle, but the summit's first
day was badly disrupted.
>From Washington today came an announcement that some
protesters might welcome.
U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick announced that the
Bush administration will subject future trade agreements to
environmental reviews.
The decision, which could ease some objection to trade pacts
in the United States, affirms an executive order issued by
President Clinton.
It is the latest in a string of pro-environment decisions by
the Bush administration, which had been stung by
environmentalists' anger caused by earlier, pro-business
decisions.
"Environmental reviews are an important policy tool for
involving the public in the development of the U.S.
government's trade objectives and policies," Zoellick's
office said in a statement.
The president, who watched the protests on television,
canceled a meeting with 15 Caribbean heads of state because
many of the leaders couldn't make it to the Loews Concord
Hotel where Bush was to host them.
A meeting of Andean national leaders started 20 minutes late
and without Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso
and Bolivian President Hugo Banzer Suarez.
Only three of seven Central American leaders arrived close
to schedule for a meeting with Bush, which had to be
delayed.
Even without the demonstrations, the summit was not shaping
up as an easy one.
Cardoso of Brazil set a tough tone in a speech at the
opening session, underlining his country's reluctance to
join a free-trade accord with the U.S.
"We will insist that free-trade benefits should be equally
shared by all participants, that trade opening should be
reciprocal and that it should lead to the attenuation rather
than the aggravation of the disparities that exist in our
region," Cardoso said.
FTAA would be "welcome," Cardoso said, if it included
changes in member nations' rules on dumping, the sale of
foreign products at illegal prices, and if it included a
number of other elements Brazil is seeking to open markets
for its agricultural exports.
"Otherwise, it would be irrelevant or, worse, undesirable,"
he said.
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was also critical. Since
the concept of a free trade zone was endorsed at a summit in
Miami in 1994, he said, "we have advanced very little --
almost not at all -- in the social objectives."
Accompanied by his wife, Laura, Secretary of State Colin L.
Powell and several top aides, Bush was greeted on arrival by
a Canadian military band.
Bush arrived early for a meeting with Canadian Prime
Minister Jean Chretien, and the two posed for the cameras.
When Chretien declared that they wouldn't be taking
questions, Bush added: "Neither in French nor in English nor
in Mexican."
Meeting with the Central American leaders, aides said, Bush
reiterated his opposition to the Kyoto treaty on global
warming, telling them it "could do serious harm to the U.S.
economy." As an alternative, a senior administration
official said, Bush is pursuing "various international
processes to work toward a new and innovative approach based
upon market-based incentives, new technologies and
cooperatively working together."
� 2001 The Washington Post
Company
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Demonstrators Turn Anger on 'Wall'
By DeNeen L. Brown
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, April 21, 2001; Page A01
QUEBEC CITY, April 20 -- What most enraged the demonstrators
was "the wall of shame." Running 2 1/2 miles around the
convention center where the Summit of the Americas was
convening, the hastily erected concrete and chain-link
barrier confirmed to them that they and their views would be
shut out of the deliberations inside.
This afternoon, they got their revenge.
Euphoric crowds of anti-globalization demonstrators marched
to the wall and pushed against it. First a young man scaled
it, and then others began rocking it. Soon an entire section
gave way. The crowd cheered; its most daring members crossed
the boundary into territory officially denied to them.
Some threw bottles and sticks at the waiting riot police. A
few picked up a metal barrier and used it as a battering ram
against a row of helmeted officers.
Police remained calm, throwing canisters of tear gas,
ducking the rocks. Protesters ran as the gas burned their
eyes, noses and skin. But often the wind was in the
protesters' favor, wafting the white clouds of gas back onto
police lines.
The protesters were soon evicted back across the fence line,
but they were happy. "It was a little victory," said one
protester, who earlier was chanting "We are the champions."
The fracas had successfully intruded on the carefully
orchestrated schedule of pomp and consultation inside:
Several of President Bush's meetings with leaders of other
countries were put off, and the opening ceremony was
postponed by an hour.
It was the same basic scene that has erupted in the past two
years wherever government or corporate leaders meet on a big
scale. Seattle, Prague, Davos, Switzerland -- each has drawn
a medley of organizations that contest the world's existing
capitalist order. As in those other places, much of the
violence today was the work of young "anarchists" wearing
masks and black clothing.
Early in the day, hundreds of students met to organize the
movement in basements at Laval University, their main
staging ground. The movement was working overtime. While
world leaders slept, the protesters organized.
"They are afraid of us," one of the demonstrators shouted to
assembled students. "This is why they have 6,000 police. But
we will be heard."
Everyone knew that there would be violence. Demonstrators
talked of which "zone" of protest they'd be in, based on how
gutsy they were willing to be.
The red zone was the front line, for those prepared to fight
by any means, to get arrested, to tear down the wall. Yellow
was a bit farther from the police, for those who favored
nonviolent disobedience but would "offer support" to those
in the red zone. Green was for those who wanted to avoid
conflict.
Over and over, anger was focused on the wall. "This is a
symbol of the struggle -- to have a discussion behind the
wall," said French activist Jose Bove, who's famous in his
home country for his attacks on McDonald's restaurants. "I'm
here to say what is happening in the Americas is important
for people around the world."
By midafternoon, thousands of people had converged at Laval,
chanting "Down with FTAA," the Free Trade Agreement of the
Americas, the pact under discussion at the summit. Finally,
they began to move down Boulevard Laurier toward the old
city. As they marched almost five miles, they seemed to get
more and more angry. "Corporations are liars and thieves,"
one man in a green mask shouted.
Ahead they saw the fence, with riot police in rows behind
it. When the marchers reached what they believed to be the
weakest section -- some had surreptitiously tested its
strength the day before -- they began shouting slogans. The
police stood still. The protesters grew louder, shouting
"So-So-Solidarity." And then they broke through.
In ensuing hours came a general melee. Police threw grenade
after grenade of gas. Anarchists sent many of them arcing
back toward the officers' lines. Some reporters saw them
hurl a few firebombs as well.
Using loudspeakers, police called on demonstrators to leave,
evoking defiant laughter from some of them. Soon arrests
began. Police moved in, grabbing at arms and clothing.
Demonstrators were pressed facedown on the pavement as
police searched and cuffed them.
By late evening, the street battles were still underway,
with police helicopters buzzing overhead. Media vehicles
were parked with smashed windows. For many protesters, this
was just the prelude. Organizers hoped that a march
scheduled for Saturday would draw thousands of new bodies
and voices to the barricades.
� 2001 The Washington Post
Company
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To add a few thoughts to this discussion on police brutality:
If NB organizers are going to reinvigertate the local focus on
combating police brutality (beyond the necessary exposure of the recent
incident involving Rutgers' students & RUPD) then it would be wise to
explore picking up where the NB Coalition Against Police Brutality left off.
Since the call is for democratic control over public institutions, then
any serious organizing effort around police brutality coming out of the NBPC
needs to look at the Coalition/NJFO "Right to Know" request. Submitted over
two years ago, this was a 9-Point Request based on the NJ Freedom of
Information Act and Common Law demanding that internal files of the NBPD be
released to the public. The demands ranged from general NBPD records to
paricular cases involving notorious cops & specific incidences.
Unfortunately, this project stalled out when I left as head of the Coalition
& moved to Newark; & an effort to renew the call about 10 months ago--when
NJFO & Coalition members met with Renee Steinhagen, the civil rights
attorney who is representing a number of black state troopers in their case
against the State Police & who originally drafted our Right-to-Know
request--was again allowed to lapse by NJFO organizers who apparently failed
to see the relavance of this work to the broader struggle for democracy and
involvement in electoral politics. (That the city council campaign was run
as "go-for-broke, drop-everything-else" by NJFO president & campaign manager
who "knew we weren't going to win" further shows the error in NJFO dropping
the "Right-to-Know" issue. But the greatest mistake made is that the
Coalition was always NJFO's deepest connection to NB's African-American
working class community, & we still wonder why the NBPC has such difficulty
in building these ties!)
In the last year or so, there has been a broad state-wide campaign
pressing for "Open Books" & "Right-to-Know" of internal local & state
governmental files before being eclipsed by the racial profiling issue. So
I actually disagree with Paul when he says "It does appear we're in an even
better position to influence the regional and national independent agenda."
Fact is, NJFO fell off the radar screen with both the Right-to-Know and
Racial Profiling issue just when we were really in a position to break onto
a state-wide platform to put out leading positions on these issues. Its
going to take more than enthusiasm to regain that position. It's going to
take some consistancy and sticking to a long-term plan when that work may
not seem to be the most exciting thing in the public spot-light.
This is not to discourage folks in the NBPC from jumping quickly on
this issue--to the contrary, it's to encourage people not be so quick to
jump off. So while this would be an important topic of conversation at
NJFO's organizing workshop, I would suggest that if "activists of any stripe
will learn from years of local experience", as Paul asserts, then the
"organizing-workshop" organizers need to teach by example by learning from
our own mistakes as well...& not lead others to repeat them.
Matthew Smith
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Subject: [nbpcmembers] police brutality and organizing the larger struggle
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:57:50 -0000
I just wanted to add a few words to the posts regarding NBPD beating up
Rutgers students. If RU students want to take action against police
brutality, there are many ways to do so. They range from letters to the
editor, to making character posters of rogue cops and posting them all over
town, to organizing victims for a class action suit, (something a lawyer
once suggested to me).
I think Charlotte's suggestion for a brutality pamphlet is a good one, and
timely too. It seems that the debate over brutality has been co-opted into
a debate over "profiling", a much more innocuous subject. While profiling
is usually racist and always despicable, it doesn't imply the gross
violation of rights that brutality conveys.
I think people need to focus on both subjects, with an important goal being
community control, as we've said in NB for years.
The NB activist community, lead by the NB Coalition Against Police
Brutality, has lead the effort to make the call for civilian, elected police
review boards. We've demanded these locally for years, and eventually
people all over the tri-state area picked up on the idea!!! It took a lot of
arguing, but people finally saw the usefulness and democratic power these
boards represent.
Now, as the People's Campaign grows and matures, we're in an even better
position to influence the regional and national independent agenda by
translating our political successes into programmatic calls for democratic
control over public institutions, or "people's democracy".
People with interest in exploring these topics and other related topics
should plan to attend the organizing workshop planned for May 12 and 13th.
NJFO is sponsoring the workshop, and activists of any stripe will learn from
years of local experience and will have a chance to share their skills as
well. It'll be fun and dynamic, and we plan to throw a party on Saturday
night (the 12th).
For more info, reply to this email or call me at 732-729-0873.
Paul McGee
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hey lou, how's it going? just wanted you to know i spoke with X about the njfo phone. the Campaign is now taking responsibility for it. Alyssa Coiley will be calling you to transfer it to her name. i think both of you need to be on the phone to do that with Verizon. also, he paid $50 towards it yesterday. The campaign will pay for the rest of the balance... kristina >From: "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] pedagogy of the oppressed discussion >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:38:11 -0400 > > >On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the >first >chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street. >Please email or call me at 732-545-7207, with any questions or for a ride. > >Louise >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
SORRY about the phone bill message... sent it by accident!! >From: "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] pedagogy of the oppressed discussion >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:38:11 -0400 > > >On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the >first >chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street. >Please email or call me at 732-545-7207, with any questions or for a ride. > >Louise >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
HI everyone, sorry about the late notice, but I got to cancel tonite, I will let you know when we will reschedule. Louise Louise Ammentorp wrote: > On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the first > chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street. > Please email or call me at 732-545-7207, with any questions or for a ride. > > Louise > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >President George W. Bush is visiting an elementary school > >today and he visits one of the classes (4th grade I believe). > >They are in the middle of a discussion related to words and > >their meanings. The teacher asks the President if he would > >like to lead the class in the discussion of the word, " > tragedy." > >So our illustrious leader asks the class for an example of > >a "tragedy." > > > >One little boy stands up and offers, "If my best friend, who > lives > >next door, is playing in the street and a car comes along and > >runs him over, that would be a tragedy." > > > >"No," says Bush, "that would be an ACCIDENT." > > > >A little girl raises her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 > >children drove off a cliff, killing everyone involved, that > would > >be a tragedy." > > > >"I'm afraid not," explains the President. "That's what we > would > >call a GREAT LOSS." > > > >The room goes silent. No other children volunteer.President > >Bush searches the room. "Isn't there someone here who can > >give me an example of a tragedy?" > > > >Finally, way in the back of the room, Lil' Johnny raises his > hand. > >In a quiet voice he says, "If Air Force One, carrying > President > >and Mrs Bush, was struck by a missile and blown up to > >smithereens, that would be a tragedy. > > > >"Fantastic," exclaims Bush, "that's right. And can you tell me > >WHY that would be a tragedy?" > > > >"Well," Lil' Johnny said, "because it wouldn't be an accident, > >and it damn sure wouldn't be a great loss." > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: "ken nash" <knash@...> To: "Nash, Ken" <KNash@...> Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] MAY DAY CONCERT AND MOBILIZATION Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:19:25 -0400 MAY DAY 2001 come and celebrate in historic Union Square Park with a multi-cultural concert and poetry recital... --New Yorican agit-prop rockers RICANSTRUCTION --revolutionary saxophonist/composer FRED HO --roots folksinger ANNE FEENEY --"The Billy Bragg of NY" (LA Times) KIRK KELLY --topical songwriter RAY KORONA --Uruguayan vocalist MARIANA MURDOCCO --Labor-Left troubadors RED NOVEMBER --radical poets BREAD IS RISING POETRY COLLECTIVE --Peruvian vocalist RENZO ORTEGA emcee/organizer John Pietaro ______________________ ...and then stay and join us in a rally and march for WORKERS' RIGHTS! * Tues. 5/1/01 Noon - 3:30 PM Union Square Park, north entrance, NYC * presented by the New York Committee for Public Works Jobs, The Organizing Committee for Workers' Rights, and the National Committee for Dignity and Amnesty WORKERS OF THE WORLD----UNITE! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joe, It is Monday, April 30, 2001, and there's no Latino Flyers at CWA office. I have called Ray's office twice with no luck of her (Ray) getting back to me. Trenton TLC has my email address, home telephone # and home address and so does the platform committee. Did the Latino flyer disappear fro earth? Several weeks ago I was asked to coordinate the Southward of Trenton for marchers and parking. I have done that. Several weeks ago I was asked to coordinate the Latino Media, I have done that by way of a Latino Press Advisory. On May 16, 2001, there will be several prominent Latino News Network at the NJ State House. Several weeks ago I was asked to help put together a Latino Flyer, I have done that. Now I read press articles and in no place does a Latino organization appears as a sponsor. What happen to my organization (PROS) prior work with the Coalition and other Latino organization work. I'm very upset at the Coalition for Justice, because it has ignored the Latino community and this is not good. Respectfully, Juan Martinez [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
i do not understand the need for you to e-mail all these groups and people about you not getting the flier. what do they have to do with it? the flier is mine and maura and your concern and we all took care of our respnsibilities with it. you should continue to call ray and go by the cwa office because she told me that she was going to make it available for you to pick up if she wasn't there. joe >From: senormart@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., cliffsmith69@..., JeanRoss55@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, howardnelson@..., >sisterhoodNstruggle1@..., tamaradahan@..., >nita_08901@..., sherryRT@..., >cfpa@... >Subject: [nbpc] Coalition for Justice has ignored the Latino community >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:23 EDT > >Joe, > >It is Monday, April 30, 2001, and there's no Latino Flyers at CWA office. >�I >have called Ray's office twice with no luck of her (Ray) getting back to >me. >Trenton TLC has my email address, home telephone # and home address and so >does the platform committee. Did the Latino flyer disappear fro earth? > >Several weeks ago I was asked to coordinate the Southward of Trenton for >marchers and parking. I have done that. Several weeks ago I was asked to >coordinate the Latino Media, I have done that by way of a Latino Press >Advisory. On May 16, 2001, there will be several prominent Latino News >Network at the NJ State House. Several weeks ago I was asked to help put >together a Latino Flyer, I have done that. Now I read press articles and >in >no place does a Latino organization appears as a sponsor. What happen to >my >organization (PROS) prior work with the Coalition and other Latino >organization work. I'm very upset at the Coalition for Justice, because it >has ignored the Latino community and this is not good. > >Respectfully, >Juan Martinez > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Chant for May Day
To be read by a Workman with, for background, the rhythmic waves of
rising and re-rising Mass Voices, multiplying like the roar of the sea.
WORKER: The first of May:
When the flowers break through the earth,
When the sap rises in the trees.
When the birds come back from the South.
Workers:
Be like the flowers,
10 VOICES: Bloom in the strength of your unknown
power,
20 VOICES: Grow out of the passive earth,
40 VOICES: Grow strong with Union,
All hands together
To beautify this hour, this spring,
And all the springs to come.
50 VOICES: Forever for the Workers!
WORKER: Workers:
10 VOICES: Be like the sap rising in the trees,
20 VOICES: Strengthening each branch,
40 VOICES: No part neglected
50 VOICES: Reaching all the world,
WORKER: All workers:
10 VOICES: White workers,
10 OTHERS: Black workers,
10 OTHERS: Yellow workers,
10 OTHERS: Workers in the islands of the sea
50 VOICES: Life is everywhere for you,
WORKER: When the sap of your own strength rises
50 VOICES: Life is everywhere.
10 VOICES: May Day!
20 VOICES: May Day!
40 VOICES: May Day!
50 VOICES: When the earth is new,
WORKER: Proletarians of all the world:
20 VOICES: Arise,
40 VOICES: Grow strong.
60 VOICES: Take Power,
80 VOICES: Till the forces of the earth are yours
100 VOICES: From this hour.
By Langston Hughes
>Speak Out to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality!! > >May 1, 2001 Brower Commons >Tuesday 11:00-1:00 > >Speak out is being organized to raise student consciousness and >organization to defend our local communities & state from White >Supremacist Imperialist aggression known as Racist Profiling. Any >creative forms of expression are encouraged to destroy these >outright fascist tendencies. Also we are working to promote March on >Trenton May 16 to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality. >We must also work to expose Rutgers University President Francis >Lawrence who made public his white supremacist agenda in '96 when he >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites..." as >to why they are not emitted into Rutgers on an equal basis as >whites. Many current students where not attending rutgers when these >remarks were made, so it is now our job to have this man fired from >OUR diverse university. > >Speakers currently include: >Larry Hamm - Peoples' Organization for Progress, Newark >Joseph Mosley - Chair NJ Green Party >Tom Degloma - New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign >Jerusalam - Divine Immortal Family >Joe Smith - Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality >Margaret Stevens - James Dickson CARR Society >Juanita - Paul Robeson Cultural Club > >More Speakers Welcome!! > >To help with this event people must forward this e-mail, distribute >literature, call friends and radio shows, announce at other >events... to get literature or for any info contact joe smith >729-0390 or can_bush@... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
bright, you better cool your boy out. we hold you responsible >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [njfo] Re: people v. imperialism >Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:45:18 -0400 (EDT) > >LIARS, FAKE AND SUPERFICIAL PEOPLE, JEALOUSY, AND PEOPLE WHO TAKE >ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS >TRACY FORD > ><< Message5.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--- Ro Reinke <rreinke@...> wrote: > From: "Ro Reinke" <rreinke@...> > To: "Carole Bouchard" <caroleb@...>, > "Betty Jean Thompson" <thompson@...>, > "Teresa Carmody" <Teresa_Carmody@...>, > "Julie Jean Poulos" <juliepoulos@...> > CC: <kendra@...>, "Joanne Peachwall" <Phantomcrystals@...> > Subject: Fw: "The Wolves Within" > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:17:58 -0400 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DALE EVERETT <lovewolves_2000@...> > To: Mandy Hughs <mandygirl247@...>; Bonnie Worthington > <bleew53@...>; Myra <msmyraus@...> > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:49 AM > Subject: "The Wolves Within" > > > > "The Wolves Within" > > > > An old Grandfather, whose grandson came to him > > with anger at a schoolmate who had done him an > > injustice, said, "Let me tell you a story. I too, at > > times, have felt a great hate for those that have > > taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. > > But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your > > enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your > > enemy would die. I have struggled with these > > feelings many times." > > > > He continued, "It is as if there are two wolves > > inside me; one is good and does no harm. He lives > > in harmony with all around him and does not take > > offense when no offense was intended. He will only > > fight when it is right to do so, and in the right > > way." > > > > "But the other wolf, ah! He is full of anger. The > > littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He > > fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He > > cannot think because his anger and hate are so > > great. It is hard to live with these two wolves > > inside > > me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit." > > > > The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes > > and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?" The > > Grandfather solemnly said, "The one I feed." > > > > Author Unknown > > > > > > ===== > > Look To The Stars and Howl. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
*********** "The shooting took place at 22nd Street and 18th Avenue, only a block from where [Officer] Mildon shot and killed another driver four years ago during a traffic stop that turned into a struggle. A grand jury in that case determined there was no cause for action against Mildon." ********** Irvington cop kills driver in road stop 05/01/01 BY WAYNE WOOLLEY, KEVIN C. DILWORTH AND JOE MALINCONICO STAR-LEDGER STAFF An Irvington police officer shot and killed a 29-year-old Newark man yesterday morning after authorities say the unarmed man tried to flee a traffic stop while driving his girlfriend's daughters to school. Irvington police said the officer, William Mildon, approached Bilal Colbert in a drug-infested neighborhood near the Newark-Irvington border at 8:25 a.m. after he determined that the gray Oldsmobile that Colbert was driving had a stolen license plate. Colbert, who witnesses say was parked at the corner while one of the girls ran into a nearby bodega to get snacks on the way to school, put the car in reverse after Mildon swung open the driver's door, according to Irvington police. Irvington Police Chief Steven Palamara said Mildon was struck by the open door as Colbert backed away and that the officer fired a single shot that hit Colbert in the neck. The shooting took place at 22nd Street and 18th Avenue, only a block from where Mildon shot and killed another driver four years ago during a traffic stop that turned into a struggle. A grand jury in that case determined there was no cause for action against Mildon. The Essex County Prosecutor's Office said a grand jury would decide whether yesterday's shooting was justified. No weapons were found at the scene or in Colbert's car, according to the prosecutor's office. Palamara said preliminary indications were that the shooting was justified and that he would not second-guess Mildon's decision to fire. Colbert was black; Mildon is white. "These decisions are made in a heartbeat," Palamara said. "When something like this happens, it has to be an automatic response. You just hope your training and common sense takes over." Essex County Assistant Prosecutor Lawrence Monaco, director of the office's homicide squad, said it was too early to make a judgment on the shooting. "We'll take a good, hard look at it," he said. "A number of witnesses have been spoken to, and we're in the process of looking for additional witnesses. At the appropriate time, the case will be presented to a grand jury in a fair and appropriate manner. The grand jury will make the ultimate determination based on the law." Paul Bergrin, an attorney who was representing Colbert in a pending drug case, said the dead man's family accused Mildon of killing Colbert with no justification. "Their version is that he was murdered by an Irvington police officer," Bergrin said. Area residents angrily criticized Mildon's decision to shoot so close to the two girls, ages 8 and 10. But they said they doubted that charges would be brought against the officer, adding that authorities would protect one of their own. "Short of there being a gun in the car, what could he have been doing for him to fire in the proximity of those kids?" asked resident Jay Johnson. Separate statements issued yesterday by the county prosecutor's office and Irvington police department contained some inconsistencies. For example, the police statement said Mildon opened the driver's door before he shot Colbert, but the prosecutor's report made no mention of the door being open. Also, the Irvington news release said Colbert was dragging one of the children from the passenger's door while he tried to back away from Mildon and that the girl had tire marks on her clothes. The prosecutor's office said one of the girls was struck by the car while Colbert tried to flee. A spokesman for University Hospital, where the girl was taken, said she suffered no physical injuries. Guidelines issued by the New Jersey Attorney General's Office last June state that police officers should fire their weapons at moving vehicles only as a last resort, to prevent the imminent injury or death of themselves or another person. The shooting took place in a neighborhood ravaged by drugs, outside a charred building that residents say has remained a shell ever since it was burned out about three years ago. Hours after the shooting, dealers continued to sell drugs in the open. Palamara said Mildon, 37, suffered minor injuries to his knee and thigh from being hit by the car door as Colbert tried to flee. A spokeswoman at St. Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston said the officer was admitted overnight. Palamara said Mildon was hospitalized for several weeks with a fractured leg following the 1997 shooting. In the minutes before yesterday's shooting, Mildon was parked in a marked patrol car in a vacant lot at 18th Avenue and 22nd Street. The chief said the seven-year department veteran had been spending the morning watching a corner that most days is used as an open-air drug market. "He was doing the honorable thing, making sure the kids made it to school without any of those guys bothering them," Palamara said. "He could have been off somewhere reading the paper. He wasn't." Police said the plate on the car driven by Colbert had been reported stolen in Essex County. The car had not been reported stolen, police said. Some people hanging out on the corner of 22nd Street and 18th Avenue yesterday afternoon said Mildon had suspected Colbert of drug dealing and had been trying to arrest him for months. "Everybody around here knows this cop was after Bilal," said Ayesha Fleming. Colbert had been arrested a year ago by the Essex County Sheriff's Office's Bureau of Narcotics and was charged with selling cocaine. Bergrin, however, said Colbert was ready to go to trial later this month to fight the charges. Palamara said he knew of no history between Colbert and Mildon. Among the half-dozen witnesses interviewed by authorities was Luis Santana, the 23-year-old manager of Reyes' Grocery at 18th Avenue and 22nd Street. Santana said he was taking the trash to the rear of his business when he spotted the officer talking to Colbert, who was behind the wheel of a gray Oldsmobile. Police said Mildon had pulled in front of Colbert's car after Colbert stopped at the curb. Santana said the older of the two girls had come into his store before the shooting to buy Doritos and a fruit drink. He said he was near the front door of his store when he heard the officer order Colbert out of the car. "He kept telling him to 'step out of the car,'" Santana said. "The guy wasn't moving. The cop probably told him three or four times to get out of the car and he wouldn't." Santana said Mildon was standing by the driver's door when the car suddenly lurched backward a foot or two, then stopped. "I heard the guy yelling to the girls to get out of the car," Santana said. "He waited a few seconds for the girls to get out and then tried to take off." Santana said it was not clear from his vantage point whether one or both girls were exiting the car when it began to lurch backward again, this time at an angle, toward the opposite curb. Santana said that when the car began to move, the officer pulled the driver's door open with his left hand and drew his gun with his right. "The cop couldn't have even aimed, it happened so fast," Santana said. After the shooting, Santana said, the officer ran after the girls and disappeared around a corner. The girls, 10-year-old Shaquita Boyd and 8-year-old Shanice Henry, were the daughters of Colbert's girlfriend, Tashonda Boyd, 25. But Colbert treated them as if they were his own children, Boyd said, and drove them to school every day. The girls -- and the couple's own son, Bilal Colbert Jr., nearly 4 months old -- live with her parents, Barrie Boyd and Tim Branch, Tashonda Boyd said. Their home, on 22nd Street, is a 30-second walk from the shooting scene. Five minutes after the shooting, around 8:30 a.m., Shanice ran screaming into her grandparents' two-story home. "My granddaughter came in about 8:30 a.m. and said, 'Mama, they shot Bilal!' She was hysterical," said Barrie Boyd. "I got up and asked what she was talking about. She continued screaming. So I got dressed, came downstairs, and by then, somebody came knocking at the door. It was the police." Standing at the front door was Mildon, police said. By then Shanice's sister, Shaquita, also had run home. Mildon whisked both girls away from the house, Boyd said. Colbert and his girlfriend have been living on St. James Place in Newark, according to relatives. They did not know the exact address. Colbert grew up on South 15th Street in Newark and attended Arts High School, according to his girlfriend. He did various "odd jobs" for a living and worked occasionally as a barber at Nubian Kuts unisex salon on Springfield Avenue in Newark. Colbert also liked to bowl and participated in bowling leagues, his girlfriend said. Staff writers Guy Sterling, Reginald Roberts, Mary Jo Patterson and Jeffrey Mays contributed to this report _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Subject: Report from Vieques Press Conference on Capitol Hill
Date: 2 May 2001 20:09:56 -0000
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The following Members of Congress participated in today's Press Conference
in front of the U.S. Capitol Building, calling for an immediate and
permanent end to U.S. military exercises in Vieques:
* Senator Charles Schumer of NY
* Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of NY
* Senator John Corzine of NJ
* Resident Commissioner Anibal Acevedo Vila of Puerto Rico
* Congressman Luis Gutierrez of Illinois
* Congressman Jose Serrano of NY
* Congresswoman Nydia Velazquez of NY
* Congressman Robert Menendez of NJ
* Congressman Charles Rangel of NY
* Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi of California
* Congressman Eliot Engle of NY
* Congressman Edolphus Townes of NY
* Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer also participated in the Press
Conference, and Damaso Serrano, Mayor of Vieques, issued a written
statement (see below) from San Juan were he was released from jail after
being arrested for entering the bombing range in Vieques, where he spent a
week acting as a human shield.
Contacts: Phil Singer (Sen. Schumer) at 202-224-7433 and Karen Dunn (Sen.
Clinton) at 202-224-4451.
Photos:
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=vieques&n=20&c=news_photos
____________
STATEMENT BY D�MASO SERRANO L�PEZ Contact: Flavio Cumpiano
MAYOR OF VIEQUES, PUERTO RICO
May 2, 2001
First of all, I would like to thank everyone who has been, who is, and who
will keep on giving us support on this cause to stop the bombing in
Vieques. My thanks to the Members of Congress who are gathered in front
of the Capitol building to call, once again, for the immediate and
permanent end to U.S. military exercises in Vieques.
I am the Mayor of that beautiful Island. Today I represent the people
that struggle day to day to have a good life, with dignity, not only for
themselves but for their children. I represent those men, women and even
children that are continuously dying, not only physically but also
emotionally, because of the unfair and senseless bombing of the U.S. Navy
in our lands.
Today, I am writing from San Juan, Puerto Rico. I have spent the past
seven days -from Wednesday April 25 to Tuesday May 1st- in the bombing
range in Vieques, as have many others who have acted as human shields
against the bombings. Prior to that, I was convinced that the Navy must
leave Vieques. But after I saw how those ships were destroying my land
with their incendiary weapons and were leaving it in a catastrophic state,
aiming at us with the weapons that produce orphans in my island, I AM
ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT I WILL NOT STOP, THAT I WILL NOT TAKE ONE STEP BACK
UNTIL THE NAVY LEAVES MY VIEQUES, MY ISLA NENA.
President Bush, perhaps you think that it was irresponsible of me to be
at the bombing range. Well, I am the Mayor of the people of Vieques. I
was following the mandate that my people gave me last November 7, and I
acted for their safety, health and well-being. I acted and will continue
to act , to protect their dignity and their peace, as well.
We are citizens of the nation you lead, Mr. President. We are U.S.
citizens. I assumed the responsibility that I have as Mayor, to protect
my people against anything that could harm them. It is time that you
assume yours. If you let the Navy stay another minute in Vieques, you
will be as responsible as the Navy�s Kevin Green for the killing and the
suffering that is taking place there. Every other person who dies in
Vieques or who gets ill by the toxics, the pollution and other harmful
effects from the Navy, will be on your conscience if you do not stop a
genocide that should have been stopped long ago.
President Bush, you are the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and I
urge you once more to act now for the safety of my people, who are also
your people, Mr. President. Until the Navy stops bombing and leaves
Vieques, our struggle for peace will continue. Thank you.
__________
Congressman Jose E. Serrano
NEWS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: ROSALINDA DEJESUS
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May 2, 2001
SERRANO ASKS U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL TO EXAMINE ALLEGATIONS
ABOUT NAVY'S IMPROPER TREATMENT OF PROTESTERS
Washington, D.C., May 2 - - Congressman Jose E. Serrano (D-NY) today asked
U.S. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft to examine allegations that Navy
security officers improperly treated protesters who were arrested on
Vieques.
Serrano raised the issue during today's Commerce, Justice, State,
Judiciary and Related Agencies Subcommittee budget hearing at Rayburn
House Office Building. Ashcroft came before the Subcommittee of the
Appropriations Committee to present the Justice Department's budget needs.
Today, Serrano also participated in a press conference on Capitol Hill in
which members of Congress urged the administration to stop the bombing on
Vieques.
Serrano asked Ashcroft to address allegations that protesters who were
arrested were mistreated and that, for example, Congressman Luis
Gutierrez, who was arrested, was not allowed to post bail in a timely
fashion.
The following are excerpts from today's hearing:
"As you know there have been large demonstrations in the Commonwealth of
Puerto Rico and close to 200 people have been arrested," Serrano said.
"One of those individuals was Congressman Luis Gutierrez. He says that
most of the mistreatment was by the Navy, that the federal marshals
treated the demonstrators with respect and dignity. What information do
you have about how people were treated out there?"
Serrano also raised concerns that Gutierrez and other demonstrators
arrested by the Navy were placed in an unsanitary holding pen that was
used for guard dogs and had no roof.
"What role can the Justice Department play if Navy personnel mistreat
demonstrators?," Serrano said. "I would appreciate if you could look
further into this and get back to us."
Serrano, who made references to news reports about the protests as he
described the allegations, also said that President George W. Bush should
be speaking up about the Vieques issue and he has not done so.
Ashcroft responded by saying that he made an inquiry and was told that the
cases were processed by the U.S. Attorney in the order in which the
arrests were made and that if that information was incorrect he would be
happy to correct it. He also was told that separate facilities were used
to house the protesters who were arrested because there was concern about
housing them with the general prison population and there was concern
about the risk of
introducing these individuals to the criminal population.
Ashcroft went on to say that there may be constitutional questions that
arise out of this issue.
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Hi Paul, Thanks for your brilliant analysis, however, please allow me to indicate what I believe is a very importamt misconception (or should I say, flawed assumption) that runs like a thread through your otherwise very accurate analysis. I deeply resent the implication that Ralph Nader's only role in the past presidential campaign was as a "spoiler" to help the Bush campaign because: a) It was a decision of THE GREEN PARTY to exercise our constitutional right to participate in the electoral process and support the candidates of our choice. It was not Ralph Nader's decision. b) We were hoping that with Nader on national TV in the presidential debates, we would achieve national ballot status. The Presidential Debates Commission in collusion with both the Democratic and the Republican parties denied us the right to participate in the debates and prevented Nader from occupying his seat in the audience. They also prevented him from keeping his scheduled appointment with the press. After this unfair, vindictive and malicious treatment, the Nader bashers are suggesting that he should "put his tail between his legs" and walk away, or worse, grovel and support the inept Mr.. Gore. Come on, where is your sense of justice? c) If Ralph Nader had decided to drop out or to support Gore, the Green Party would consider this as a betrayal of our trust. His name would be held in less esteem than Murray Sabrin's is in Libertarian Party circles today. Are you, and those who are criticizing Nader, either afraid to admit or do not realize that you are questioning the right of a political party to contest the hegemony of the Democratic and Republican parties? Sometimes I wonder, is it naivet�, a misunderstanding of the issues involved or a Machiavellian attempt to marginalize the Green Party and eliminate a serious competitor for the minds of the progressive sector of the community? Ross Perot ran a "solipsistic" campaign but he was not barred from the presidential debates nor was he denounced as a "spoiler." are we by default approving and supporting a plutocracy to the detriment and deterioration of the democratic process? Please elucidate. JoeMosley 1st Vice-Chair Green Party of New Jersey >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] account of NBPC in light of recent struggles >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:08:37 -0000 > I started writing this as a response to Matt Smith's comments (pasted below), but decided that I should take it in the positive and start an account of where the NBPC's at,with some history. this is a work in progress, but I was encouraged to post as-is. Take a bite. Paul > Yes, the NBPC is intended to be a united front. But the egroup ecludes everybody who doesn't have internet access. But the egroup should still function under the same principles. > To address the expulsions from the egroup. I think we should have explicitly named Joe and Cliff when we de facto expelled them from the list. But that does not make the reasons for doing it invalid. the fact is that Joe and Cliff have been harassing people on email ever since they stepped into the realm. Just as Matt claimed people have left the NBPC after feeling "used by NJFO", many have left the egroup after enjoying the gravel enema supplied by "wac_ & can bush@...". > Harassment is no substitute for struggle. And having unity doesn't give you the right to yell at people repeatedly. > And that goes for NJFO as well as the campaign. Matt complains that the NBPC hasn't adopted a method to work out differences. I'm not arguing with that. > Maybe a better question is: "How do we work together despite our differences?" > To this end, how do we further our collective understanding of our movement? I think we need to explore the different trends in our movement to accomplish that. > Step back again: > I guess we really need to figure out what was the nature of the campaign to start to address this mess. I'm going to try to address a few points this time (because I'm doing this at work, not because I want to duck discussion). > Was the NBPC election campaign a Left Bloc move? > Yes. Why? Because efforts were coordinated among progressives, working people, people of conscience of different nationalities, students, Greens, anarchists, communists, liberals, Democrats, a Republican, small business, small landlords and others who have various reasons to be against vicious imperialist political and economic takeovers of the cities and subsequent attempts to destroy all vestiges of popular, public and progressive institutions. > Was it perfect? No. Did it include equal proportions of the aforementioned groups? No. > But no one said that we're going to organize all people of oppressed nationalities and the highly exploited workers in NB in just one year. That's a multiple year project. > And who we organize is not simply a function of putting out the correct political stance---NJFO started the campaign. We started with our existing networks. That means mostly Euro-American, college-educated folks. Truly changing the relations of the struggle for wholesale involvement of people outside NJFO's previously existing networks means accessing and working in other networks. It means penetrating the cultural boundaries that have been reinforced by racism and segregation ever since the US was founded. > Did we do a good job of accessing those networks? Yes and No. > There were many attempts made by members to reach out and involve groups of all types. Some of these succeeded. Some didn't. Did we get people's votes from different networks/communities/neighborhoods/nationalities? That's not clear, but anecdotal evidence says 'yes' to a degree. we still have to do the hard research, if possible. > Does the NBPC continue to outreach to different parties in a way that communicates analyses of the issues and seeks unity on relevant points? Is the campaign politically relevant? Is the NBPC a relevant political group? I think that's where this dispute is live right now. > i think the NBPC is a decentralized network of activists with multiple layers of affiliation. There isn't much clarity right now around the NBPC's structure. The steering committee is technically charged with guiding the thing, but initiative may give the best results. Many people groove with the bottom-up approach to organizing, but it doesn't make for a tight organization. I'm not saying we need tight organization. I tend to think not. When we get into the next election period, we'll need a much higher level of coordination, centralization. > but right now, many different trends are working on many many issues. This is giving us the chance to ultimately expand our membership ranks exponentially. Below I lay out a rough sketch of the trends: > (one disclaimer: I'm definitely biased toward the political direction of my own work (which is NJFO and Arthouse), and I think others should contribute their versions so we can construct an intersubjective picture of the NBPC's politics) > The U&S (Unity and Struggle) trend, a faction in NJFO, contends that putting out propaganda is the principal task right now. The idea there seems to be education about the broad forces at work in our world, exposure and indictment of the ruling classes and programmatic suggestions about changing our conditions. Proposals include working with state Democrats to get McGreevey into office. I'm not sure what else is on their plate. > Another trend in the campaign could be described as student organizers. These folks have been working on globalization issues, winning governing association seats, uniting with existing student groups. They were a major presence on campus and in the city during the fall 2000. I think of this trend as more loosely organized as others, but with the potential to develop many organizers from student ranks. > Another trend, best described as a majority of NJFO, is focusing on developing organizers and issues of space, setting up an organizing workshop, some are using important elected positions on campus to advance democracy and revolutionary principles. Many work on Arthouse, campus organizing, FTAA, etc. > Lastly, the largest trend may be people who act on various issues related to New Brunswick: many are working on the Court Tavern issue, housing and redevelopment, schools, Sisterhood Day, nbpc newspaper, etc. > One conclusion I have is: NBPC in general has failed to consistently publish analyses of current issues, local and global and in-between and that needs improvement. > > ********* Another NBPC issue dating back to last fall: Compromise. Did we make compromises during the election season? Yes, but this is tricky. > The Fall 2000 campaign was probably the most manic, sustained and widely lauded organizing episode around here in many years. > The U&S trend contends that the NBPC leadership compromised on its principles to make the alliance with Greens. They contend that the campaign should have taken a position for Gore and against Bush and Nader in the national election, but the thought of that was thrown out because the leadership feared we'd lose the cooperation of Greens. > I have a simple comparison to offer here. > The U&S trend of NJFO pushed hard to condemn Nader because his campaign was irresponsible politics. That he acted as a spoiler (whether he was or not is a hinge of this debate). I happen to agree with that sentiment. > An issue of Unity and Struggle newspaper was laid out and included an one-sided article against Nader. That was going to be produced through NJFO and officially separate from the NBPC. The U&S faction contends that NJFO members who were in the leadership of the NBPC canned that issue of the newspaper because of divided loyalty over the Nader issue. They say that Nader was against the interests of working people in cities, etc. (much of which I agree with). The U&S faction went on to say that the NBPC alliance with Greens caused a compromise in ideological values and that our failure to put out a position on the national election caused us to be less relevant with voters in NB. > But it's not that simple. Most of the students who organized for Nader were far to the Left of the Nadir that he was. Most of them had an anti-imperialist bent, they wanted to work in the NB neighborhoods. They were enthusiastic and took initiative, and- this may be news to people who weren't working everyday on the campaign during the last two months- but they were the best thing that could have happened for those of us who needed the third shift to come at the eleventh hour. But if you didn't work ninety hour weeks for six weeks straight you wouldn't know that. > did we compromise our principles with the Greens? No, I say, because we united with them on our principles as they are applied to the local struggle. I'm sorry, but you are not going to unite on global issues with people the moment you meet them. I think it's enough to establish unity on some key questions, but not reasonable to expect it on ALL questions. > (even further, it's fair to say that you may NEVER approach unity on some questions with major allies in politics. that's how politics works. sectarians expect resolution on all questions and see unity as some sort of an absolute) > For all the historical materialists out there who believe in using dialectics to analyze these situations, Chew on this.... > Nadir was but one aspect of the national elections 2000. The fxxxxxx Democrats, the supposed party of the working people, spent the last twenty years trying to imitate Republicans. The Republicans have spent that time solidifying their strongholds in the suburbs. The two major parties always vie for the undecided vote in the election season. So the Democrats ended up fighting with the Republicans over the undecided middle class suburban audience. But the Dems' largest voting bloc is progressive, mostly urban, oppressed nationalities. > (Matthew, circulated a packet of articles after the elections. The article by Bob Wing explains how the Democrats rely on this base while they talk Republican to the undecided vote, among other things.) > Talk about fxxxxx up. The dems are sold to imperialism. period. But here's the dialectical slap in the face. You say the NBPC compromised its principles by avoiding Nadir criticism, but the national Democrats were the principal contradictory aspect of the last election. If they had any sort of progressive leaning, if they wanted to register voters of oppressed nationalities, if they wanted to get out the vote in cities, they would have won this election hands down. > And now the kicker. If it's a valid criticism to hold off on Nadir last fall, then it's surely valid to criticize Keith for calling the upcoming pamphlet on the NBPC politically detrimental to working with the State Democrats. I personally have a great loathing for the Dems right now. They propose proto-fascist laws locally, they participate in ethnic cleansing. I don't think we know how much worse the NJ Republicans actually are. How much worse could they be? > Phew, That's all I'm capable of right now. > > Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(let's open the debate, waste the republicans, expose the snakes) to joe, let's really elect the republican, fortunato - the republican party most "impedes the development of independent political action."! don't give me shit about studying communism when your actions worked to put bush2 into his illegitimate position. "we are not on the verge of fascism", what is it that "we" are on the verge of? what is it that faison is on the verge of? the "INDEPENDENT movement" cannot win an election on a national or state level. why don't the greens go after a city council position or school board position and build the peoples base in such a fashion? currently the greens lie to the people and you posture as a progressive while you do the work for the representatives of the peoples' worst enemy, the republican party! the republicans represent the most vicous elements of imperialism, yes more than the democrats. to say otherwise is a lie and will expose yourself as a phony. the progressive vote will build a temporary alliance with mcgreasy to waste franks/schundler. republicans in the garbage can! defeat racist profiling! -vote McGreasy joe smith >From: JFortun845@... >To: can_bush@... >Subject: Re: Fake Democracy >Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:37:19 EDT > Hey Joe: I think I'll send you a copy of "Left-wing Communism: An Infantile Disorder." The fact is, we are not yet on the verge of the imposition of fascism in this country. The further fact is, the leadership of the Democratic Party is just as much under the stranglehold of the big Bourgeosie as is the leadership of the Republicans. The further reality is that the only way to beat back the reactionaries is by building an "INDEPENDENT Peoples Movement. Your romanticized as opposed to a scientific viewpoint about where we stand impedes the development of independent political action. Joe > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
March on Trenton May 16 - Defeat Racist Profiling! Organize the Peoples' Defensive, Vote McGreasy! Charade hearings and the New Jersey sell-out. Verneiro is guilty of withholding, covering, destroying, forgetting, lying, and loosing information that proves he knew full well about Racist Profiling and did nothing to stop it. He did nothing to stop this White Supremacy Imperialist aggression and instead encouraged and fueled the practice. It was Verneiro that was with Whitman and other high ranking State officials while they ran up on Camden youth Sherron Rolax and "made" Whitman into the most organized group of white supremacy in the states, the Republican Party. Whitman, x-chief of the State Police Carl Williams, and the state of New Jersey are currently being sued by Rolax for this "frisk" and they are all guilty. For Verneiro not to be impeached is a serious attack on the people of New Jersey and exposes that we have a fake democracy. We, the people of New Jersey must make our voices heard this November when we bury the Republican candidate for Governor. DeFrancesco jumped, now Franks/ Schundler must be dumped. New Jersey must send a message to the nation that the people oppose the Racist Republican Party which is clearly responsible for the growth of these profiling attacks. To this end we must back McGreasy to carry out our task. Not because we got any love for Greasy, but because we must waste the Republican candidate. Third party candidates under present conditions should support this strategy and join the people in backing Greasy. We can not afford for what happened nationally, with Nader putting Bush2 into his illigitamate precidency, to be repeated in this Governor's race. The progressive vote must be aimed at wasting the Republican candidate and the way we must carry this out is through building a temporary allaince with McGreasy. The people of New Jersey and the people of the United States need to rise up against the open agenda of White Supremacy that is being carried out in its most aggressive form by the Republican Party . Defeat Racist Profiling! -vote McGreasy Joe Smith Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling 732.729.0390 211 Redmond St. #2 New Brunswick, NJ 08901 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
maybe bush2 will name a concentration camp after nader >From: "JOSEPH MOSLEY" <joemosley1@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, shorepaulie@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, gpnj-members@... >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: [nbpcmembers] account of NBPC in light >of recent struggles >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:15:34 -0400 > >Hi Paul, > >Thanks for your brilliant analysis, however, please allow me to indicate >what I believe is a very importamt misconception (or should I say, flawed >assumption) that runs like a thread through your otherwise very accurate >analysis. > >I deeply resent the implication that Ralph Nader's only role in the past >presidential campaign was as a "spoiler" to help the Bush campaign because: > >a) It was a decision of THE GREEN PARTY to exercise our constitutional >right >to participate in the electoral process and support the candidates of our >choice. It was not Ralph Nader's decision. > >b) We were hoping that with Nader on national TV in the presidential >debates, we would achieve national ballot status. The Presidential Debates >Commission in collusion with both the Democratic and the Republican parties >denied us the right to participate in the debates and prevented Nader from >occupying his seat in the audience. They also prevented him from keeping >his scheduled appointment with the press. After this unfair, vindictive and >malicious treatment, the Nader bashers are suggesting that he should "put >his tail between his legs" and walk away, or worse, grovel and support the >inept Mr.. Gore. Come on, where is your sense of justice? > >c) If Ralph Nader had decided to drop out or to support Gore, the Green >Party would consider this as a betrayal of our trust. His name would be >held >in less esteem than Murray Sabrin's is in Libertarian Party circles today. > >Are you, and those who are criticizing Nader, either afraid to admit or do >not realize that you are questioning the right of a political party to >contest the hegemony of the Democratic and Republican parties? > >Sometimes I wonder, is it naivet�, a misunderstanding of the issues >involved >or a Machiavellian attempt to marginalize the Green Party and eliminate a >serious competitor for the minds of the progressive sector of the >community? > >Ross Perot ran a "solipsistic" campaign but he was not barred from the >presidential debates nor was he denounced as a "spoiler." are we by default >approving and supporting a plutocracy to the detriment and deterioration of >the democratic process? > >Please elucidate. > >JoeMosley >1st Vice-Chair >Green Party of New Jersey > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] account of NBPC in light of recent struggles > >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:08:37 -0000 > > >I started writing this as a response to Matt Smith's comments (pasted >below), but decided that I should take it in the positive and start an >account of where the NBPC's at,with some history. this is a work in >progress, but I was encouraged to post as-is. Take a bite. Paul > > >Yes, the NBPC is intended to be a united front. But the egroup ecludes >everybody who doesn't have internet access. But the egroup should still >function under the same principles. > > >To address the expulsions from the egroup. I think we should have >explicitly named Joe and Cliff when we de facto expelled them from the >list. > But that does not make the reasons for doing it invalid. the fact is >that >Joe and Cliff have been harassing people on email ever since they stepped >into the realm. Just as Matt claimed people have left the NBPC after >feeling "used by NJFO", many have left the egroup after enjoying the gravel >enema supplied by "wac_ & can bush@...". > > >Harassment is no substitute for struggle. And having unity doesn't give you >the right to yell at people repeatedly. > > >And that goes for NJFO as well as the campaign. Matt complains that the >NBPC hasn't adopted a method to work out differences. I'm not arguing with >that. > > >Maybe a better question is: "How do we work together despite our >differences?" > > >To this end, how do we further our collective understanding of our >movement? > I think we need to explore the different trends in our movement to >accomplish that. > > >Step back again: > > >I guess we really need to figure out what was the nature of the campaign to >start to address this mess. I'm going to try to address a few points this >time (because I'm doing this at work, not because I want to duck >discussion). > > >Was the NBPC election campaign a Left Bloc move? > > >Yes. Why? Because efforts were coordinated among progressives, working >people, people of conscience of different nationalities, students, Greens, >anarchists, communists, liberals, Democrats, a Republican, small business, >small landlords and others who have various reasons to be against vicious >imperialist political and economic takeovers of the cities and subsequent >attempts to destroy all vestiges of popular, public and progressive >institutions. > > > >Was it perfect? No. Did it include equal proportions of the >aforementioned groups? No. > > >But no one said that we're going to organize all people of oppressed >nationalities and the highly exploited workers in NB in just one year. >That's a multiple year project. > > >And who we organize is not simply a function of putting out the correct >political stance---NJFO started the campaign. We started with our existing >networks. That means mostly Euro-American, college-educated folks. Truly >changing the relations of the struggle for wholesale involvement of people >outside NJFO's previously existing >networks means accessing and working in other networks. It means >penetrating the cultural boundaries that have been reinforced by racism and >segregation ever since the US was founded. > > >Did we do a good job of accessing those networks? Yes and No. > > >There were many attempts made by members to reach out and involve groups of >all types. Some of these succeeded. Some didn't. Did we get people's >votes >from different networks/communities/neighborhoods/nationalities? That's >not >clear, but anecdotal evidence says 'yes' to a degree. we still have to do >the hard research, if possible. > > >Does the NBPC continue to outreach to different parties in a way that >communicates analyses of the issues and seeks unity on relevant points? Is >the campaign politically relevant? Is the NBPC a relevant political group? >I think that's where this dispute is live right now. > > >i think the NBPC is a decentralized network of activists with multiple >layers of affiliation. There isn't much clarity right now around the NBPC's >structure. The steering committee is technically charged with guiding the >thing, but initiative may give the best results. Many >people groove with the bottom-up approach to organizing, but it doesn't >make >for a tight organization. I'm not saying we need tight organization. I tend >to think not. When we get into the next election period, we'll need a much >higher level of coordination, centralization. > > >but right now, many different trends are working on many many issues. This >is giving us the chance to ultimately expand our membership ranks >exponentially. Below I lay out a rough sketch of the trends: > > >(one disclaimer: I'm definitely biased toward the political direction of my >own work (which is NJFO and Arthouse), and I think others should contribute >their versions so we can construct an intersubjective picture of the NBPC's >politics) > > >The U&S (Unity and Struggle) trend, a faction in NJFO, contends that >putting >out propaganda is the principal task right now. The idea there seems to be >education about the broad forces at work in our world, exposure and >indictment of the ruling classes and programmatic suggestions about >changing >our conditions. Proposals include working with state Democrats to get >McGreevey into office. I'm not sure what else is on their plate. > > >Another trend in the campaign could be described as student organizers. >These folks have been working on globalization issues, winning governing >association seats, uniting with existing student groups. They were a major >presence on campus and in the city during >the fall 2000. I think of this trend as more loosely organized as others, >but with the potential to develop many organizers from student ranks. > > >Another trend, best described as a majority of NJFO, is focusing on >developing organizers and issues of space, setting up an organizing >workshop, some are using important elected positions on campus to advance >democracy and revolutionary principles. Many work on Arthouse, campus >organizing, FTAA, etc. > > >Lastly, the largest trend may be people who act on various issues related >to >New Brunswick: many are working on the Court Tavern issue, housing and >redevelopment, schools, Sisterhood Day, nbpc newspaper, etc. > > >One conclusion I have is: NBPC in general has failed to consistently >publish analyses of current issues, local and global and in-between and >that >needs improvement. > > > > ********* > >Another NBPC issue dating back to last fall: Compromise. Did we make >compromises during the election season? Yes, but this is tricky. > > >The Fall 2000 campaign was probably the most manic, sustained and widely >lauded organizing episode around here in many years. > > >The U&S trend contends that the NBPC leadership compromised on its >principles to make the alliance with Greens. They contend that the >campaign >should have taken a position for Gore and against Bush and Nader in the >national election, but the thought of that was thrown out because the >leadership feared we'd lose the cooperation of Greens. > > >I have a simple comparison to offer here. > > >The U&S trend of NJFO pushed hard to condemn Nader because his campaign was >irresponsible politics. That he acted as a spoiler (whether he was or not >is a hinge of this debate). I happen to agree with that sentiment. > > >An issue of Unity and Struggle newspaper was laid out and included an >one-sided article against Nader. That was going to be produced through >NJFO and officially separate from the NBPC. The U&S faction contends that >NJFO members who were in the leadership of the NBPC canned that issue of >the >newspaper because of divided loyalty over the Nader issue. They say that >Nader was against the interests of working people in cities, etc. (much of >which I agree with). The U&S faction went on to say that the NBPC alliance >with Greens caused a compromise in ideological values and that our failure >to put out a position on the national election caused us to be less >relevant >with voters in NB. > > >But it's not that simple. Most of the students who organized for Nader >were far to the Left of the Nadir that he was. Most of them had an >anti-imperialist bent, they wanted to work in the NB neighborhoods. They >were enthusiastic and took initiative, and- this may be news to people who >weren't working everyday on the campaign during the last two months- but >they were the best thing that could have happened for those of us who >needed >the third shift to come at the eleventh hour. But if you didn't work >ninety >hour weeks for six weeks straight you wouldn't know that. > > >did we compromise our principles with the Greens? No, I say, because we >united with them on our principles as they are applied to the local >struggle. I'm sorry, but you are not going to unite on global issues with >people the moment you meet them. I think it's enough to establish unity on >some key questions, but not reasonable to expect it on ALL questions. > > >(even further, it's fair to say that you may NEVER approach unity on some >questions with major allies in politics. that's how politics works. >sectarians expect resolution on all questions and see unity as some sort of >an absolute) > > >For all the historical materialists out there who believe in using >dialectics to analyze these situations, Chew on this.... > > >Nadir was but one aspect of the national elections 2000. The fxxxxxx >Democrats, the supposed party of the working people, spent the last twenty >years trying to imitate Republicans. The Republicans have spent that time >solidifying their strongholds in the suburbs. The two major parties always >vie for the undecided vote in the election season. So the Democrats ended >up >fighting with the Republicans over the undecided middle class suburban >audience. But the Dems' largest >voting bloc is progressive, mostly urban, oppressed nationalities. > > >(Matthew, circulated a packet of articles after the elections. The >article by Bob Wing explains how the Democrats rely on this base while they >talk Republican to the undecided vote, among other things.) > > >Talk about fxxxxx up. The dems are sold to imperialism. period. But here's >the dialectical slap in the face. You say the NBPC compromised >its principles by avoiding Nadir criticism, but the national Democrats were >the principal contradictory aspect of the last election. If they had any >sort of progressive leaning, if they wanted to register voters of oppressed >nationalities, if they wanted to get out the vote in cities, they would >have >won this election hands down. > > >And now the kicker. If it's a valid criticism to hold off on Nadir last >fall, then it's surely valid to criticize Keith for calling the upcoming >pamphlet on the NBPC politically detrimental to working with the State >Democrats. I personally have a great loathing for the Dems right now. >They >propose proto-fascist laws locally, they participate >in ethnic cleansing. I don't think we know how much worse the NJ >Republicans actually are. How much worse could they be? > > >Phew, That's all I'm capable of right now. > > > > Paul > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Soaries picked by Franks to run campaign
Published in the Home News Tribune 5/05/01
By BETH ROSENBERG
STAFF WRITER
Republican Bob Franks added some weight to his
gubernatorial bid yesterday with the announcement that New Jersey
Secretary of
State DeForest B. Soaries will serve as campaign co-
chairman.
"Buster Soaries brings a tremendous wealth of experience
to my campaign for governor," said Franks. "I am looking forward to his
leadership and guidance as I conduct a campaign focused
on the issues of importance to New Jersey voters."
Franks entered the governor's race last week after
acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco dropped out, citing growing media
scrutiny of his
business dealings.
Franks -- a four-term congressman who represented the
7th District and narrowly lost last year's U.S. Senate race to Democrat
Jon
Corzine -- faces a GOP primary battle next month against
Jersey City Mayor Bret Schundler.
Soaries, who serves as senior pastor of the the First
Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset, was once considered a
possible
gubernatorial candidate. He had hoped a minority
candidate would enter the race, but when no one did, there was
speculation he would
throw his hat in the ring.
Last December, Soaries, who is black, announced at a
Sunday morning service at his church that he would not seek the
governorship
but promised to ensure that the next governor would pay
attention to issues of concern to the state's minority community.
At the time of his announcement, he did not endorse
DiFrancesco or presumed Democratic nominee Woodbridge Mayor Jim
McGreevey.
Upon hearing yesterday of Soaries' position in the
Franks campaign, McGreevey spokesman Richard McGrath said, "That
selection
solicits the first compliment of the campaign from Jim
McGreevey to Bob Franks. He congratulated Mr. Franks. He thinks it's a
wise
decision."
McGreevey "likes and respects" Soaries, McGrath said,
adding Soaries' decision to support Franks is not a surprise because
he's been
working for a Republican administration.
"If we don't have (his support) now, we hope to have it
after Election Day," McGrath said.
Soaries said Franks understands the needs of Garden
State residents.
"Bob Franks is the candidate with the clear vision,
unbiased compassion and unfailing integrity who will continue building
on these
great strides and propel New Jersey forward as we move
toward the future," Soaries said. "I am humbled and honored to serve as
campaign co-chairman and look forward to working to
elect him as New Jersey's 51st governor."
Franks campaign manager Charlie Smith said Franks and
Soaries have known each other for years and the minister has served as
an
informal adviser to him.
Franks' congressional district included parts of
Somerset County, including Franklin, where Soaries' church is located.
"Bob has relied on the Reverend Soaries throughout his
term in Congress and, during last year's Senate race, they made it a
point to
communicate with each other regarding campaign
activities," Smith said. "Bob Franks has demonstrated a sensitivity to
issues of
concern to the minority community.
Smith said that Soaries is a nationally recognized
leader and Franks is "tremendously grateful" for his support.
Beth Rosenberg: (732) 565-7261. E-mail brosenb@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: May 5, 2001
faison was killed under whitman's administration. >From: jfortun845@... >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@... >CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, >njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:28:31 EDT > >Joseph Smith: > >Well, the Faison killing occurred under a Democratic Administration, didn't >it? So did the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Black and Latino >youth under the guise of their phony drug war, which only Nader spoke out >against. So did more state sanctioned killings under a strengthened death >penalty. So did the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children because >of >the Clinton/Gore sanctions. > >And by the way, we Greens do run in local elections and will do so >increasingly. We've elected a school board member in Rutherford. We just >don't tack on ultra-left language to the end of a reformist program and >expect to win people over. > >Let's get real. Both major parties are parties of the Big Bourgeoisie >revisionists and apologists have been arguing since before World war two >that >we have to support the Democratic Party because fascism is right around the >corner. Yeah, and the sky is falling, too. Employ a CLASS ANALYSIS, build >an >independent peoples movement and throw BOTH the DEMS and REPUBS in the >garbage can! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
jfortune500: a "class analysis" demands recognizing contradictions w/in the enemy, recognizing which battles can be won, and avoiding those that cant, & optimizing conditions in which to build a "peoples' movement." nadir did none! of those. the class which benefited from his campaign is the imperialist bourgeoisie, who loves the bush2 whitehouse. stop fronting cs >From: jfortun845@... >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@... >CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, > >njfo@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy > >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:28:31 EDT > > > >Joseph Smith: > > > >Well, the Faison killing occurred under a Democratic Administration, >didn't > >it? So did the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Black and Latino > >youth under the guise of their phony drug war, which only Nader spoke out > >against. So did more state sanctioned killings under a strengthened death > >penalty. So did the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children >because > >of > >the Clinton/Gore sanctions. > > > >And by the way, we Greens do run in local elections and will do so > >increasingly. We've elected a school board member in Rutherford. We just > >don't tack on ultra-left language to the end of a reformist program and > >expect to win people over. > > > >Let's get real. Both major parties are parties of the Big Bourgeoisie > >revisionists and apologists have been arguing since before World war two > >that > >we have to support the Democratic Party because fascism is right around >the > >corner. Yeah, and the sky is falling, too. Employ a CLASS ANALYSIS, build > >an > >independent peoples movement and throw BOTH the DEMS and REPUBS in the > >garbage can! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
fortune500 said: "I also dispute that it will be easier for us to organize under the Democrats. At least with Bush, we know more clearly what we're getting and can organize accordingly. The Democrats sow confusion by talking a peoples game when it suits them but by carrying out an imperialist agenda, as they must." bush2 says, "hey fortunato - hand me those nails, this concentration camp should be done soon. wow, good work - thanks for volunteering!" joe500 was it better that hitler rose to power for the german independent movement? u talk slick & u front big - try to blame me for the weakness of the independent movement. nader/greens could have organized more succsessfully if they embraced the progressive movement instead of being phonies while trying to claim the progressive movement. the progressive vote was aimed at wasting bush2 and for the populace it was succsessful despite your organizations backward campaign. u think your too good for criticism and i should just hammer bush, how conveneint that would be for you to accomplish the same task in new jersey. u got nada joe >From: JFortun845@... >To: can_bush@..., coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, >jkaminsk@... >CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:48:58 EDT > > >Yes, Earl was killed under a Whitman administration but also under a >Clinton/Gore administration. BTW, the Feds were involved in Orange with the >breaking down of doors and rounding up of Black men who "fit the >description." Have you seen the Stolen Lives Project book? It documents >over >2,000 cases of police killings that have occurred nationally in the last >few >years--all of them under the Clinton/Gore administration. It was the >Clinton/Gore administration that continued and strengthened draconian >criminal laws aimed at the poor. It was Clinton/Gore that gave us "welfare >reform," a further war on the poor. > >I also dispute that it will be easier for us to organize under the >Democrats. >At least with Bush, we know more clearly what we're getting and can >organize >accordingly. The Democrats sow confusion by talking a peoples game when it >suits them but by carrying out an imperialist agenda, as they must. > >By the way, it was Clinton/Gore that lost the election. Blame them, not >Nader, for the disenfranchisement of over 30,000 black men and women in >Florida as a result of their phony drug war. They only needed six hundred >votes but tens of thousands of Blacks lost their right to vote. Talk about >the chickens coming home to roost. > >Are we too weak right now for independent political action.Well, what's new >and on the rise will eventually overcome what's old and in the way. And we >wouldn't be nearly as weak if folks like you would join the movement for >independent political action. > >Bash Bush, not Nader. >Repudiate your moribund "popular Front" political line. >Build the Movement for Independent Political Action. >Support Jerry Coleman, Green Party, for governor of NJ. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
i do support an independent movement. currently the independents stand no chance in winning the governor's seat. just because the greens hold one school board seat in rutherford and maybe another seat somewhere else in the state does not mean the greens stand a chance for statewide positions. let alone all the other independent candidates that will also objectively serve the republicans. i did not put forward that facism is around the corner nor have i attributed ultra-left slogans anywhere in our correspondence. i would definitely appreciate if you would stop lying and putting words in my mouth. if you think that i have, show me/us where. the greens represent the republicans, that is the class analysis i come up with. don't you see how your rugreen joe kamiski jumped right on franks lap. let alone the phony progressive positions nader put out while being embraced by bush2 to divide the anti-bush vote. joe >From: JFortun845@... >To: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@... >CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, > njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:28:31 EDT > >Joseph Smith: > >Well, the Faison killing occurred under a Democratic Administration, didn't >it? So did the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Black and Latino >youth under the guise of their phony drug war, which only Nader spoke out >against. So did more state sanctioned killings under a strengthened death >penalty. So did the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children because >of >the Clinton/Gore sanctions. > >And by the way, we Greens do run in local elections and will do so >increasingly. We've elected a school board member in Rutherford. We just >don't tack on ultra-left language to the end of a reformist program and >expect to win people over. > >Let's get real. Both major parties are parties of the Big Bourgeoisie >revisionists and apologists have been arguing since before World war two >that >we have to support the Democratic Party because fascism is right around the >corner. Yeah, and the sky is falling, too. Employ a CLASS ANALYSIS, build >an >independent peoples movement and throw BOTH the DEMS and REPUBS in the >garbage can! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
WE MUST KEEP BEING SELF-DISCIPLINE AND SELF-STUDY . AND TRY NOT TO BE VIOLENCE LIKE BOL/SWORD TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Dear Friend and Justice Seeker,
I am writing to give you information that I think you will find of
interest about two activities that will take place at the Statehouse in
Trenton next week.
On MONDAY, MAY 14, NEW JERSEYANS FOR A DEATH PENALTY MORATORIUM will hold a
noon rally in support of proposed legislation, A-1853, for a moratorium on
the death penalty in New Jersey. Senator Corzine and others will address the
rally. Supporters of a moratorium share a historical commitment to social
justice for all. We believe that criminal procedures are inconsistent and
weighted against the poor, the powerless, members of minority groups and
persons with mental and developmental disabilities. Errors have led to the
punishment and execution of the innocent. The death penalty is also costly
and unproven as a deterrent. Therefore, we will urge the Governor to declare
an immediate moratorium, pending legislative action. A moratorium would allow
time for investigation into inequities, cost, and trial and sentencing
errors, as well as consideration of alternative methods that may better
address problems of societal violence.
On WEDNESDAY, MAY 16, the COALITION FOR JUSTICE, a diverse statewide group of
over 40 community organizations, has organized a march and rally in response
to the persistence of racial profiling and acts of brutality victimizing
persons of color by New Jersey police. There is widespread concern about
recent incidents of police brutality, including the death of Earl Caisson in
police custody, the shooting death of Stanton Crew, the death of Jenny
Hightower in Trenton, the shooting of three minority men on the New Jersey
Turnpike by state troopers and this week's shooting of Bill Dashawn Colbert
in Irvington.
Mayor Palmer will welcome the marchers. Speakers will put forward a nine
point program to remedy past episodes of racial profiling and police
brutality and institutionalize steps for the prevention of such racist
practices in the future. Victims and families of victims of police violence
will tell their stories. National figures will provide a national
perspective. In addition to the March and Rally, members of the Coalition for
Justice are scheduling meetings with state legislators and have already
scheduled a follow-up meeting to continue to press for
their demands.
The rallies are scheduled at noon. Please come and pass on the information
about the rallies to other interested persons.
Thank you,
Jean
Ross, Esq.
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(concerning black Irvington youth Bilal Colbert being shot dead by white
Irvington cop, can someone get this to the New Brunswick Coalition Against
Police Brutality?)
From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <harrisje@...>,
<coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, <FBalducciJ@...>, "steveg"
<gotzler@...>
Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [poprogress] Protest held on Saturday
(5/5/)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:23:56 -0400
Unless WE take action we are not conscious! We are simply talking
self-righteously as liars and supporters of the killing status quo. Our egos
are salved while our innocent neighbors continue to be savaged -- courtesy
of our high-sounding protestations. Don't feel bad. No one really died in
the years before and during the civil rights movement of the 50's and 60's
down south. No one has died up north either -- don't believe what you read
in the newspapers and see on TV. If there is any murderous racism around
here or there, don't be concerned, someone else will handle it. Follow the
Father Niemoeller program -- ignore your needy fellow human beings as long
as you are able.
The next innocent victim to be killed by police in Essex county is scheduled
for a little later this year. This execution will be carried out with the
tacit approval of the residents of the county who are mostly still asleep,
uncaring, or simply feeling hopeless and helpless. This next victim, or one
of those right after that one, will be someone near and dear to YOU -- and
won't you and they be surprised! Does any one understand what Malcolm X said
about the need for social-political education -- and implementation?!
Unless YOU, WE, and particularly the RESIDENTS of IRVINGTON produce the
action, don't expect any beneficial action out of the City Council or Mayor.
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TOLD ME THAT THEMSELVES on Saturday May 5th !!! THE FEW
DECENT MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE A MAJORITY WILLING TO DO THE OBVIOUS MORAL,
ETHICAL, JUST THING. YOU are needed to bring constant unbearable pressure to
bear on the City Council and Mayor.
If I thought my life or my friend's life were at stake, I would do the
following as a minimum --
1. Get my friends and Church congregation to all show up at the next City
Council meeting on May 15th [2nd Tuesday of each month] at 7PM.
2.Demand and obtain the following:
[a] Open all the police complaint files of the last 10 years to the
public -- nature of complaint, date of complaint, ID of police officer
complained against, details of the investigation of the complaint,
disposition of the complaint [sustained, not sustained, ...], action taken,
if any, against the officer. compensation received by the complainant
[b] All officers with any physical abuse complaint against them be taken
off the streets and given desk duty until complaint is resolved by a truly
independent prosecutor/investigator. This may necessitate the City
purchasing 100 or so additional desks.
[c] An independent investigation of the weak-kneed, spineless behaviors
of the City Council and Mayor in not properly confronting the Police
Department's policies, procedures, training, supervision since the atrocious
attack on Max Antoine about 5 years ago.
[d] Open all police training manuals, policies, procedures, guidelines to
public scrutiny.
[e] Open an investigation into the possible collusion of Irvington
government and policing personnel with drug dealers who have arrange for
open drug dealing in Irvington for many years and to the present. Who is
being bribed/paid off to go easy on the drug dealers.
[f] Demand that weekly corrective action meetings be held among the
Mayor, City Council, Police `Chief', and at least 10 representatives of the
community who have had a family member injured by the police. If this is too
frequent a schedule for any government member, that member should be
urinated on by the general public whenever that member is next seen in
public. This procedure should be continued until the member finds time to
attend the complete weekly meetings. Continue these weekly meetings until
the community representatives are satisfied with progress. At that time the
community group will have the authority to set meeting schedules to audit
progress at less frequent intervals.
[g] Institute an active independent, popularly-elected, police control
board along lines recommended by the People's Organization for Progress.
[h] Present reports to the public at least once a month on progress and
problems in obtaining corrective action of police behavior. This report to
be made by the community representatives
Do not leave the Council meeting room until all the above demands are
agreed to and timetables set for implementation.Bring lots of peanut butter
and jelly sandwiches -- you may have to wait a while.
Howard
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>
>
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> > Thank you for those comments. I watched the news, and I realized that
>she
> > was what I call a "sell out" from the first words she spat at the
>camera.
> > Your words are well taken. I was happy to see that many showed up to
> > protest the injustices! And believe you me, the concious folks out here
> > understand that a politician is a politician is a politician, black,
>white
> > or red. Until we see some ACTION, we can not trust any one of them. -
>J.
> > Harris
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"developing strong ties" and "have some ties" means that the greens have no chance in winning statewide or national elections. and the greens know this, which is why they only attack the democrats because they realize that the correct political analysis show the democrats will receive the progressive vote in order to defeat the republicans. greens have not spoken one word against the republican agenda and how it is the most dangerous agenda facing the masses of people around the world. why? because of the way the greens go about organizing, the democrats are more the enemy (of the greens) and who they have to challenge for votes, because they will not receive republican votes. but reality shows that the enemy of the people is imperialism, and the organization that more vicously represents imperialism is the republican party. so it is a communist position to waste the republicans! but more than that it is common sense, something you greens lack. joe fortune500 (chair of the new jersey green party) said below: "And, yes, I will take some pleasure in defeating bourgeouis Democrats. They have to feel our sting, the peoples sting, before they will ever consider supporting a peoples agenda." and so there it is peoples, open for all of you to see. the greens openly endorse and promote the republicans winning elections. fortune500 is not talking of defeating the "bourgeouis Democrats" with a peoples' candidate, but rather with a republican candidate. so the greens run their candidate to empower the republican so that the democrats will consider supporting a peoples' agenda? and they ignore all criticism which is why we must say that the greens are consciously building the concentration camps right along side bush2. hey fortune500, my line doesn't belong anywhere but new brunswick, until the organization is built to seize new brunswick positions (city council, mayor, school board, housing authority). then we in new brunswick must organize to support progressive movements in other cities. as we seize the cities comes the consciousness and strategy to organize to seize the state. that is the base necessary before challenging for the governor's seat. i welcome the rugreens to work on getting an elected board of education for the public schools in new brunswick which are currently the worst schools in the county. joe smith >From: JFortun845@... >To: can_bush@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:20:59 EDT > >Dear Joseph: > >I have another suggestion for your reading list: "On the Correct Handling >of Contradictions Among the People." > >It is one thing to engage in polemics over strategic differences. You go >far beyond that, however, by making nader and the Greens into your enemy. >As such, it is your line, not ours, that is objectively aiding the right. >Your remarks about Nader and concentration camps are simply infantile. I >engaged in a debate with Amiri Baraka after the election. While our >diferences were sharp, the debate was kept on the political plane and the >tone was struggle. the method of unity-struggle-unity was empolyed. You, on >the other hand, seem to get some psychological pleasure out of bashing the >greens and engaging in personal attacks. Well, if it makes you feel better, >do it, but don't pretend to be a communist. > >As far as a base, what kind of a base has your raggedy line gotten you? The >Greens have locals now in most Counties while your line hasn't gotten you >out of New Brunswick. We also have and are developing strong ties in the >African-American community because of our consistent work in fighting >against police brutality racial profiling and now have some ties in the >labor movement, which is more than you can say if you want to be truthful >about things. And by the way, you are not going to "seize power" by >winning one local election. > >And, yes, I will take some pleasure in defeating bourgeouis Democrats.They >have to feel our sting, the peoples sting, before they will ever consider >supporting a peoples agenda. And McGreasy, as you call him, doesn't have to >and won't pay any attention at all to you. He doesn't need "communists" and >he certainly doesn't need you, whatever you are. But have fun anyway waving >his American flag, which he said (and later repudiated) that he wants to >make it mandatory to fly over newly constructed public housing. > >Paul makes a good point. In this state, even more than on the national >level, there are few differences, if any, between the "moderate" NJ >Republicans" and the State Democratic Party. Clearly, the situation calls >for a progressive agenda. McGreasy doesn't present it. Jerry Coleman will. >So have fun supporting the bourgeoisie. We will take an offensive stance, >while you remain on the defensive. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
run campaigns where we can win. where we cannot win we are forced to support the weaker of our enemies forces, while organizing the independent Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party. to say that i don't attack democrats is funny, you obviously were not around new brunswick last election, plus i use the term mcgreasy to show that i have no respect for the democratic candidate. you criticize bush2 after you put him there. fortune500 said below: "We should run in (national) elections to build our movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold illusions that we can "seize power" this way." i argue that we should work on national elections to build our movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, because we cannot win we must work to support the candidate that least represents imperialism. the people/greens should work to defeat the peoples' most aggressive enemy, republicans, while organizing the peoples forces on local levels. joe500, you are running this green candidate for governor knowing that it will work to strengthen the republicans chance of winning. i will attack this work and criticize this position constantly. to work on seizing local positions only, because these are the only elections that the peoples' forces have a chance to win is a correct political position. fortune500 your argument is unraveling, the fact is that the people must defeat the republicans and the organizers must embrace this strategy or be criticized and exposed as counter-progressive organizers. new jersey must champion the position that bush2 is crook by using this slogan to organize the voters to defeat franks/schundler. in this instance we must suck up all personal agendas and build a temporary alliance with mcgreasy. republicans in the garbage can!- vote mcgreasy joe >From: JFortun845@... >To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:22:50 EDT > >Joseph: > >With all due respect, you are spreading falsehoods by saying we don't >attack >Republicans. We attack Republicans all the time. We just sent out a >national >press release attacking Bush's environmental policy. Your problem is that >we >also attack Democrats as being the wolves in sheep's clothing. You do not >and, hence, your line is no different than that of the revisionist CP over >the last 50 or so years. We all know about the Republicans. hence, it's the >Democrats that we need to expose. Your line is not going to lead us >anywhere. True, the Greens are not going to win national elections right >now, and wouldn't seize power that way, anyway, but if we don't start >building independent politics now, we never will. > >The essence of my problem with your line, though, is that you believe we >can >"seize power" by winning enough local elections. That's hogwash and is a >line >which sets us up for failure. We should run in elections to build our >movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold >illusions >that we can "seize power" this way. (This is a minority viewpoint within >the >Greens at the moment, btw, which is why we need more conscious forces to >join >with us). > >Cast away your illusions! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Democrats push for Verniero
impeachment
05/09/01
BY BRIAN DONOHUE
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Trying to force a showdown tomorrow over the future of Supreme Court
Justice Peter Verniero, Democratic lawmakers are publicly and privately
calling on Republicans to defy Assembly Speaker Jack Collins and vote to
impeach the embattled justice.
Backers of a resolution containing articles of impeachment are working to
sway at least six Republicans to join the 35 Assembly Democrats in an effort
to bring it to the floor during tomorrow's voting session.
Collins (R-Salem) announced April 26 that the Assembly would not act on
impeachment. But the sponsors of the resolution contend that if they can
muster 41 votes -- a majority of the Assembly -- they can bypass the
speaker.
Yesterday, Senate Judiciary Committee member Garry Furnari (D-Essex)
wrote a public letter to Assembly Majority Leader Paul DiGaetano
(R-Essex) imploring him to rally GOP votes for impeachment.
"It is time for the Legislature to do its job," Furnari wrote in his letter
to DiGaetano. Sponsors of the resolution, meanwhile, were collecting
signatures on a letter asking Collins to drop his opposition, and other
Democrats were making calls to Republicans colleagues.
But privately and publicly, lawmakers said Democrats will be hard pressed to
win over GOP votes. Republicans have introduced their own resolution,
echoing one passed by the Senate last week, that calls for Verniero to
resign but would not force his ouster.
The Senate Judiciary Committee urged the Assembly to impeach Verniero
after determining, in its recent hearings on racial profiling by the State
Police, that he intentionally misled the committee when he testified about
the issue during his 1999 confirmation hearings. Verniero has refused all
calls for his resignation, saying he did nothing wrong and "misled no one."
Assemblyman Francis Blee (R-Atlantic), running mate of Sen. William
Gormley, the Judiciary Committee chairman who has spearheaded the
impeachment effort, said yesterday that while he would like the
opportunity to vote for impeachment, he is concerned that the Democratic
proposal would not allow Verniero to receive a proper hearing.
"I don't know how you bring something to the floor without a hearing,"
Blee said. "I don't know how any thoughtful lawmaker can do that."
Brian Donohue covers criminal justice. He can be reached at
bdonohue@... or (609) 989-0267.
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bush is illegitimate. He lost the popular vote. and check in the dictionary what "nadir" is. Tamara >From: fierywomyn <nomes@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >CC: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@..., JFortun845@..., >rugreens@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT) > >hello all, > >i am requesting that i be removed from this list. aside from the fact >that i would only like to recieve each email once (I just recieved 5 of >the same emails from cliff smith), i am appalled by the debate which i am >trying to read through with on open mind. it seems to me that some >people writing (joe and cliff), don't have the same open mind to >understand the fundamental contributions of the nader campaign or >other political movements that seek to give power to the people. jfortun >and joe (greens), if i were you, i wouldn't waste my time. anyone who is >truely "progressive" does not waste his/her time attacking other people >who are actually working for the benefit of the people. >Ralph Nader (check your spelling, cliff), did not contribute to bush's >success. Although i am far from a political analyst, it is obvious to all >that this last election was taken out of the hands of the populace and >"decided" by the supreme court; beyond that, bush won offically by 537 >votes! do you understand what that means? that means that almost an >equal number of people voted republican as voted democrat. the >reasoning: both parties rely on a centrist (appeasing the white middle >class and older VOTING populations) platform. they espoused the same >concerns with the same attitudes toward them and offered the same >potential solutions. is bush "worse" than gore? absolutely. by how much >-- enough to help the cause of the green party and other underrepresented >parties to get their point across that we are ready for more third >parties, that we need them fighting against the "republicrats," and that >it will only be through the periphery of such third parties that we are >able to transform our political system and our world into one which is >truely democratic, truely representative of the people, truely >progressive. > >naomi silverman > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
now who is truely left sloganeering? >From: JFortun845@... >To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:04:27 EDT > >In a message dated 5/9/01 1:21:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >can_bush@... writes: > > > > you criticize bush2 after you put him there. > > > > > >Wrong again. Ralph Nader and the Greens continually criticized both the >Republicans and the Democrats at one and the same time and in the same >sentences. You are merely perpetuating Democratic Party propaganda and >doing >their bidding by claiming Nader didn't attack Bush. Moreover, you are >perpetuating the myth that the people only have the choice of Democrats and >Republicans and that this choice makes some kind of significant difference. >This is just the warmed over old CP line. We advanced the progressive >agenda, >such as universal healthcare, a living wage, and end to the death penalty, >an >end to police brutality, an end to corporate welfare, justice for >Palestinians,etc., to name just a few issues on which both Dems and Repubs >advanced reactionary positions. > >Look at the Leonard Peltier case for example. During the debate with at >WISOMMM, Amiri argued that we had to support the Dems because they would >treat our political prisoners better (Peltier and Mumia were mentioned).... >Well, that worked out real well with Peltier, didn't it? Relying on the >pro-death penalty, pro-police, pro-drug war anti-people Dems is not >progressive by any stretch of the imagination. To support the Dems at this >stage is to build cynicism and also tails behind the people, who are >increasingly fed up with the two-party system. > >Break away from the two-party system! Throw all the bums out, Ds &Rs! Build >a >true mass party of the people! Unite the many to defeat the few! Support a >progressive African-American for Governor, Jerry Coleman. Support a >Progressive Agenda. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From: Jon Levine <jlevine@...> Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [poprogress] Interesting story of 1943 white-riot in egregated Army>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:59:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:01:33 -0500 (EST) From: Art McGee <amcgee@...> Subject: [BRC-NEWS]: The Mystery of the 364th http://www.bestofneworleans.com/archives/2001/0410/covs.html Gambit Weekly (New Orleans) April 10, 2001 Some eyewitnesses say they saw a mass killing. The Army says nothing happened. Geoffrey F.X. O'Connell reveals the story behind an ongoing investigation into the fate of an all- black World War II regiment stationed at Camp Van Dorn, Mississippi. The Mystery of the 364th By Geoffrey F.X. O'Connell <gfoconnell@...> Were a thousand African-American soldiers gunned down by the Army in a racially motivated shootout in Mississippi in 1943? Were members of the controversial 364th (Negro) Infantry Regiment killed at Camp Van Dorn to silence their relentless - -- and sometimes violent -- demands for equality in a segregated Army? Were the bodies buried in a mass grave somewhere on the sprawling base or "stacked like cordwood" and shipped north on boxcars? That's a story that's been whispered since World War II in and around Centreville, Miss. A Pentagon spokesman sums up its 1999 probe of the allegation: "Nothing egregious happened." But that isn't the end of it. Historians and journalists -- including this writer -- in pursuit of this puzzling piece of American history are uncovering a nationwide trail of racial violence during World War II. Bloody clashes in the military brought with them an ever-escalating fear among whites and blacks that at least one such incident could spiral out of control. Why are these stories only coming to light now, a half-century after they are said to have occurred? Several factors are responsible: * After 50 years, millions of top-secret government documents from World War II were available to be declassified; * Historians are incorporating oral accounts of ordinary citizens into their understanding of past events; * Historians and journalists have come to accept that urban legends sometimes can be keys to society's worst traumas. The white riot that leveled Tulsa's black community in 1921 - -- with over 300 dead -- was legend until just this year, when a state commission in the face of overwhelming evidence recommended reparation to victims' families. * World War II veterans at the ends of their lives are unburdening themselves of long-held secrets. In February, New Orleans' D-Day Museum -- in cooperation with Tulane's Amistad Research Center and The Eisenhower Center for American Studies at the University of New Orleans - -- hosted a first-ever national symposium on the African-American experience in >World War II. Black vets celebrated their place in history, but also >traded with historians stories of discrimination, protest and >reprisal. Even keynote speaker Ossie Davis revealed a deadly racial >incident he witnessed while stationed in Liberia. The symposium >title, "Double Victory: Fighting on Two Fronts" alludes to a >grassroots civil rights movement that called for "Victory at Home, >Victory Abroad." The movement had no leaders, but some of its >adherents were so passionate that they burned or carved a "double V" >on their chests. > >"Troublemakers" in the controversial 364th Regiment had those "double >Vs," according to Army intelligence files. > >Ridenhour investigates > >The casualty count may be in dispute, but it is now clear that there >were hundreds of bloody domestic firefights from Camp Benning, Ga., >to Beaumont, Texas; from Ft. Dix, N.J., to Camp Shenango, Pa. Much of >what we are learning about this racial violence is coming from >documents that are part of a wartime domestic intelligence operation >far more extensive and intrusive than what previously has been known. >And much of what we don't know about the period is the result of >government press censorship -- the proportions of which are not >understood even today. > >The late New Orleans journalist Ron Ridenhour was nine years into his >research on alleged killings at Camp Van Dorn when he died of a heart >attack in May 1998. The award-winning investigative reporter -- >perhaps best known as the soldier whose letters to Congress prompted >investigation into the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War -- had >recorded interviews with dozens of white and black soldiers and base >civilians about the alleged incident. > >Some interviewees swore they witnessed a shootout, or events they >think led to a shootout or its aftermath. Some say the casualties >were many, others say just a few. Some testimony claims to be >first-hand, some is hearsay. > >Through the Freedom of Information Act, Ridenhour had tens of >thousands of government documents released. At the time of his death, >they added up to an intriguing but purely circumstantial case >pointing to the deaths and disappearances of at least some members of >the 364th. Ridenhour knew much more investigation was needed to >discover what really happened. > >Ridenhour's has been the most thorough pursuit of the story so far, >but others, like Mississippian Carroll Case before him, and >documentary producer Greg DeHart after him, continue to raise >questions about this incident and the cauldron of racial tension that >was roiling in the early years of World War II. The latest >installment in this ongoing controversy is DeHart's upcoming History >Channel documentary The Mystery of the 364th, scheduled to premiere 9 >p.m. May 20. This hour-long program neither proves the allegations >nor puts them to rest. It does, however, support the contention that >there are serious issues here that deserve a robust public debate. > >The path of this story to The History Channel began with former >McComb, Miss., banker Carroll Case, who first heard the tale of >wholesale killing of blacks at Camp Van Dorn from a former MP who >said he was one of the shooters. Case pursued the story on his own >for five years, then, in 1990, passed copies of his files to >Ridenhour. Ridenhour was in the thick of his investigation when he >died. Following Ridenhour's death, Case penned his own book on the >subject, a mix of fact and fiction called The Slaughter: An American >Atrocity. > >The controversial and oft-maligned book caught the attention of the >NAACP. The organization was shocked by the magnitude of Case's >allegation that 1,200 African-American combat troops were killed by >white soldiers in a single night of fighting in southwest Mississippi >in the summer or fall of 1943. > >Due to pressure from Mississippi Congressman Bennie Thompson and the >NAACP, which issued its own draft report on the subject in June 1999, >the Army says it "was forced to respond" to inquiries about the >book's allegations. It committed thousands of hours and hundreds of >thousand of dollars on a report released Dec. 23, 1999. The Army's >conclusion: "All available material clearly supports the conclusion >no incident such as that described in The Slaughter could have taken >place." > >Brig. Gen Brown, Chief of Military History, concluded: "This work has >been accomplished with a rigor that should readily stand public or >academic scrutiny." > >William Leftwich III, deputy defense secretary for equal opportunity, >spoke to the press more forcefully: "With what we have done, the DOD >and the Army...have put a stake in the heart of this vicious, >maniacal...rumor." > >The Army report did not kill this "rumor." The allegations are not >laid to rest because the report does not pass scrutiny. Critics -- >including this writer -- say the report is riddled with factual >errors, marred by gaps and suffers from internal contradictions and >conflicts with other Army records. > >Here are two examples of such conflicts. In the narrative section of >the report, the Army says a bloody riot in Phoenix involving members >of the 364th prior to their arrival at Camp Van Dorn was the result >of the regiment's commander, Col. Wickham, serving too much beer to >the black soldiers. Other declassified Army records indicate that >Wickham had been relieved of his command at the time of the incident >and was under medical observation in California on the day in >question. > >And in the report's appendix, which is said to be a complete >accounting of the enlisted men in the 364th, Pvt. William Walker is >listed as "separated from service" -- off the payroll -- May 15, >1943. But Walker, according to the report's main narrative, was shot >and killed in uniform near the Camp Van Dorn gates two weeks later, >on May 30. > >When this writer created a database from the Army "roster," dozens of >these kinds of discrepancies emerged. Still, the report's failure to >end the debate should not be taken as an indication that the >allegations are true, only that the controversy continues. > >Not Colin Powell's army > >The military in World War II was not "Colin Powell's Army," as some >call the integrated armed forces that saw the rise of a black man to >high rank and national prominence. The mystery of the 364th -- and >the racial crisis of which it is emblematic -- needs to be examined >in light of the prejudices of the day. > >The military was completely segregated, thoroughly "Jim Crow." The >Marines did not accept blacks at all. The Navy accepted them only for >menial jobs. The Army reluctantly bowed to pressure and inducted some >blacks into segregated units led by a white officer corps. Most black >regiments were service units. Those few designated for combat were >typically under-trained, under-supplied and sent to dreadful stations >where they were isolated and subject to insult and attack from >hostile, white civilians. > >This prejudiced conduct was justified by Army War College studies >like the so-called "Bly report," issued in 1925, in response to >racial problems in World War I. In among pseudo-scientific claptrap >on the smaller "cranial cavities" of Negroes is this sweeping >assertion: "The Negro does not perform his share of civil duties in >time of peace. He has no leaders in industrial or commercial life. He >takes no part in government. Compared to the white man he is >admittedly of inferior mentality. He is inherently weak in character." > >With this as a blueprint, it is no surprise that despite the threat >of a new world war, the military establishment resisted black >participation. Some cities experienced riots when blacks were turned >away from induction centers. > >Though historians argue over Franklin Roosevelt's political motives, >the president appears in his declassified papers as adamant about a >10 percent quota for blacks in the Army as he was about his threat to >withhold defense contracts from companies discriminating against >blacks. White workers in shipyards from Mobile, Ala., to Chester, >Pa., rioted against the president's directives. In 1943 in Detroit, >at about the same time the first race riots are reported at Camp Van >Dorn, white workers enraged by black participation in the burgeoning >war industry rioted for three days. The final toll: 25 blacks and >nine whites were killed, hundreds injured, millions of dollars in >damage. > >The violent birth of a regiment > >The 367th (Negro) Infantry Regiment -- the forerunner of the 364th -- >was a rare early entrant to the pre-war preparations, activated as a >black combat unit in March 1941 at Camp Claiborne, in central >Louisiana just outside Alexandria. In December of that year, the >Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Beneath the veneer of a country united >in its hatred of the enemy, racial turmoil simmered. > >Just one month after Pearl Harbor, violence flared in Alexandria. In >a pattern that would repeat itself a frightening number of times in >the years to follow, a black soldier in town with a pass was accused >of accosting a white woman. He was set upon by police. His buddies >fought back. Military police responded. People were killed and >wounded and property destroyed. > >How many were killed and how much was destroyed is itself still a >subject of investigation and debate. Even the Army report at the time >characterized the situation as a police riot. But one local newspaper >reporter then, and investigators now, say that the Army understated >the severity of the so-called "Lee Street riot" and undercounted >losses. This minimization, some charge, is also part of the >oft-repeated pattern. > >At any rate, the 367th was broken up in March 1942. The official >records of what happened are sketchy, contradictory and somewhat >confusing. But so far, most researchers agree that the regiment's >First Battalion -- about 1,000 enlisted men -- received orders for >overseas deployment. The remaining two battalions were re-designated >the 364th (Negro) Infantry Regiment. It took in a batch of new >recruits -- mostly from Northern cities like Chicago, New York and >Philadelphia -- and were ordered to Arizona in June 1942. > >By the fall, the full regiment was bivouacked at Papago Park in >Phoenix. Letters from soldiers there and official Army investigations >deplored the plight of the 364th both on base and in the hostile >community surrounding it. A "John Doe" letter addressed to >Pennsylvania Sen. Joseph Guffey summed up the situation: "If there is >no change here, all of us from Pennsylvania have decided to go AWOL >rather than be murdered in uniforms of the United States Army. Your >delay, sir, can be the cause of a disgraceful consequence." > >Things were bad all over. A November 1942 memo to the Secretary of >War from Truman Gibson, Civilian Aide to the Secretary, detailed >"violent and abusive treatment of Negro military personnel by >civilian public authorities in the South." It listed incidents in >Alexandria, La., Columbia, S.C., Norfolk, Va., Mobile and Montgomery, >Ala., Beaumont, Texas and Little Rock, Ark. The memo concluded: "This >continuing wave of violence may lead to rioting at any time and >certainly it is raising havoc with the spirit of Negro soldiers, many >of whom have reached the stage that they would rather fight their >domestic enemies than the foreign foe." > >On Nov. 13, racially motivated fighting broke out involving the 364th >at Papago Park. But it was nothing compared to what happened two >weeks later on Thanksgiving night in downtown Phoenix. > >The `Phoenix massacre' > >Just as with the "Lee Street riot," the details and body count of the >"Phoenix Massacre" continue to be argued. A reporter for the Arizona >Republic who covered the massacre told Ridenhour (himself a Phoenix >native) that his access to the riot scene was restricted and that he >always believed the body count was much higher than official reports. > >In yet another aspect of a soon-to-be-repeated pattern, an initial >altercation escalated when members of the 364th returned to camp, >armed themselves and returned to Phoenix. All that is known for sure >is that the firefight lasted all night over the predominantly black >section of that desert town. Soldiers, police and civilians were >killed and wounded. Court martials followed. The Congressional >delegation urged the 364th be sent packing. The army agreed. But >where? > >Studies at the war's onset warned that domestic racial problems posed >a threat to troop mobilization and arms production and could lead to >propaganda disasters. Agents for the Japanese, for example, were >already promising Southern blacks -- their "brothers in color" -- >freedom from white oppression, even economic rewards. Each report of >racial violence that leaked out made its way to German and Japanese >broadcasts to American soldiers overseas. A mid-war intelligence-led >opinion survey suggested that 10 percent of the black population >thought they would be better off under Japanese rule. > >One study was adamant in its findings about the deployment of black >troops: "...as little movement as possible be made into areas where >racial relations are different from their home environment," >concluded "The Negro Problem in the Army," circulated by Maj. Gen. >Geo. Strong June 17, 1942. > >This advice was not heeded when the most rebellious black combat unit >the U.S. had ever seen was sent to the nation's epicenter of racial >hate and violence. > >Letters claim killings > >The 1999 Army report acknowledges a state of strained race relations >as the 364th arrived by train in Centreville, Miss.: "To a majority >it was a trip into a virtually unknown and foreign land where a man >of color often had to fear for his life." These fears, according to >files Ridenhour had declassified, were not generic. > >"Before the 364th came in, there were several unsolved murders of >Negro soldiers. Their bodies were found in the field," according to >Cpl. Wilbur T. Jackson of the 512th Quartermaster Regiment, another >segregated black unit. "All the white farmers and civilians are armed >at all times and seem to want a pitched battle with Negro soldiers." > >In a memo forwarded to Truman Gibson, Acting Civilian Aide to the >Secretary of War, Jackson continued: "Men have been constantly >molested and beaten by white MPs." Jackson said he was willing to >testify anywhere, anytime about what he has seen, concluding his >memo: "I'd rather die for something I really did than to be shot down >because some officer doesn't like the way I walk, or the look on my >face." > >Violent racial clashes began at Camp Van Dorn and in nearby towns >within 24 hours of the arrival of the 364th. Though there is much >debate about details, the record reflects some consensus truths: > >* Soldiers of the 364th claimed they were going to "clean up" the >base and surrounding towns, challenging Jim Crow laws at every turn; > >* White civilians were heavily armed, braced for a violent clash; > >* The Army high command in Washington warned base and regimental >commanders that they were to end racial violence or lose their jobs; > >* On May 30, within days of the arrival of the 364th, Pvt. William >Walker, while scuffling with white MPs near the entrance to the base, >was killed by the local sheriff; > >* Members of Walker's company, joined by others, broke into base >storerooms, stole rifles and headed for Centreville, swearing revenge. > >The largest newspaper in the region, The McComb Daily Enterprise, >reported: "Many wild rumors floated about . rumors of men being >killed by the scores and of women being molested. All efforts to run >these rumors down did nothing more than emphasize the chaotic way the >public has of reacting to emotional disturbances." > >Press censorship > >There was chaos to be sure. The 364th's Morning Reports, a kind of >company-by-company daily attendance sheet, note dozens of soldiers as >AWOL following the Walker shooting and its aftermath. Files in the >National Archives trace some who made their way north, seeking from >their local induction boards asylum from what they called a >life-threatening situation. A white officer in Walker's company >interviewed by The History Channel estimated 60 of his men -- about >half - -- were among those AWOL. > >Some white soldiers on this sprawling base heard stories about the >violence and wrote letters about it. These letters are among the >military's Counterintelligence Corps files unearthed by Ridenhour. > >In a letter dated June 6, 1943, and intercepted by military >intelligence, Pvt. Harold F. Jones of the 394th wrote to a friend >about racial violence that broke out with the arrival of the 364th: >"...they started tearing down their barracks and PXs. Finally they >worked over some MPs and killed two white officers. That night they >captured five officers and held them in their barracks as hostages. >Two battalions of the 5th Infantry were sent in. ...Our officers told >us they carted 30 dead niggers to the morgue...but I don't know if >that's true." > >Another member of the 394th wrote on June 5. "...a nigger regiment >kinda took things in there [sic] hands and overran a few places. >Result. They settled there [sic] hash with gunfire. A few of the >niggers were killed. They killed a few white officers though. ...The >Fifth Inf. was sent in to take over the riot and the niggers held >them off by holding a bunch of officers as hostages." > >A soldier in the 163rd wrote home in June: "...there have been about >20 or 25 Negros [sic] hurt and kild [sic]. They [sic] have been 5 or >ten shot right through the head...and we are going to give them hell >when they come around us." > >A June 1 letter written by a member of the unit in question, the >364th, stated: "We are catching hell here. Two of our men have been >kill [sic] and we have only been in this camp for six days. Something >worse is going to happen soon." > >There are more such letters in the National Archives and the files of >the NAACP. Ridenhour recorded similar tales of deadly skirmishes >during his investigation. > >Whatever was touched off throughout the South in June 1943 was of >grave concern to the Army. "The Negro situation is fast approaching a >critical stage," states a confidential memo from the Fourth Service >Command in Atlanta. > >Following the first days of violence at Camp Van Dorn, the patchwork >of official records unearthed so far does little to sort fact from >fiction. Here is a small sample of the problems: > >* Military personnel records crucial to the incident, along with >millions of others, were destroyed in a fire in 1973. > >* Intelligence files Ridenhour sought from the National Archives did >not arrive for six years. When he finally received them, they were >incomplete and heavily edited. > >* The 364th's Regimental Journal shows no entries from the day the >364th arrives in Mississippi until Nov. 4, 1943 -- almost the entire >period in question. > >* The journal pages, starting in 1942, are signed by a Sgt. Malcolm >LaPlace, who told Ridenhour -- and whose service record confirms -- >he wasn't in the service in 1942. > >* After the Army's initial research in 1999 proved "inconclusive" it >received a waiver of privacy concerns and based some of its >conclusions on records that are beyond the reach of the public. > >In short, the records are a mess, neither proving nor disproving much >of anything -- yet. > >What about newspaper accounts? The black press had full access to the >camps, black soldiers and accounts of racial violence, according to >current Army spokesmen. But on July 19, 1943 -- just two days after a >round of secret court martials tied to the Walker shooting and its >aftermath ended at Camp Van Dorn -- the Secretary of War wrote the >U.S. Attorney General that he would no longer stand for black press >reports on racial violence in the military: "It is strongly urged >that your department take appropriate action to eliminate this >serious threat to the war effort." > >What that action was has yet to be unearthed from the National >Archives. But a study of the one of the nation's most influential >black newspapers of the time, The Pittsburgh Courier, shows that all >mention of its own militant "Double V" campaign ends within 60 days >of Stimson's challenge to the Attorney General. > >What began around the same time are indications that the black press >-- and white media -- submitted to increased censorship. There are >records of editors calling the War Department for clearance to run >stories deemed "inflammatory." There are drafts of newspaper stories >stamped "No Objection To Publication." Access to bases and >information was restricted. > >When a reporter for The Pittsburgh Courier asked about the court >martials he'd heard about at Camp Van Dorn, base commander Col. >Guthrie responds in a letter dated Sept. 2, 1944: "Your telegraphic >request for information concerning the court martialing of certain >soldiers at this camp was referred to the headquarters...It prefers >to withhold information for the present." > >The Walker Aftermath > >Two Army Inspector General reports prepared after the Walker-related >incidents hint at the Army's response. The so-called Burney Report >concludes: "[Gen. McNair] is of the opinion that the best solution is >to confine the organization to the limits of its regimental area and >deprive it of all privileges until such time as it will disclose its >real troublemakers .." > >The Peterson report concludes: "...in light of the recent riotous >conduct of the 364th Infantry, vigorous and prompt corrective action >was necessary in order to place this regiment in such a disciplinary >state that it would not again resort to mutinous conduct and to >protect the lives of the citizens of Centreville and other innocent >person." > >Ridenhour interviewed black vets who remember being under such a form >of house arrest and white vets who patrolled the cordoned-off area in >jeeps and half-tracks mounted with ..50-caliber machine guns. More >letters intercepted by military intelligence and other Ridenhour >interviews make reference to sporadic gunfire exchanges across the >cordon line. > >The 1999 Army report does not mention armed patrols or house arrest. >It refers to a disturbance in which members of the 364th disrupt a >July 3, 1943, dance in the black section of camp. The disturbance was >broken up by a battalion of the all-white 99th Division. "No one was >hurt," reads the report. The rest of 1943 is covered in a single >sentence: "Training in the regiment continued through the summer of >1943 without incident." > >In September 1943, Col. Lathe Row of the Army Inspector General's >Office studied the situation and concluded "that the presence of the >364th Infantry constitutes a threat to the normal peaceful conditions >at Camp Van Dorn...[and] should be transferred at an early date...for >overseas duty." > >According to most 364th regimental documents, those troops not >transferred to other units left Camp Van Dorn by train Dec. 26, 1943. >After waiting a month or so at Ft. Lawton, near Seattle, Wash., they >embarked on three ships for the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. They >served out most of the war, some records indicate, spread out over >1,500 hundred miles of desolate islands, eight to a Quonset hut. > >The 1999 Army report concludes its Executive Summary, saying: >"...there is no documentary evidence whatsoever that any unusual or >inexplicable loss of personnel occurred." What is "unusual or >inexplicable" has yet to be determined. But attached to the report is >an appendix that indicates hundreds of soldiers (almost one-fourth, >it appears, of the regiment's authorized strength in the period) were >transferred out of the troubled 364th to other segregated units prior >to shipping out to the Aleutians. > >The main alphabetical roster of the 364th reconstructed by the Army >in 1999 from personnel files not lost in the 1973 fire lists for each >soldier the date he's "separated from service," a catchall phrase >covering all deletions from the payroll -- through discharge, court >martial or death. When these entries are re-sorted chronologically, a >pattern emerges that appears to be at odds with the Army contention >that there was little loss of personnel. On average, about one >soldier's name per day -- from June 1943 through the end of the war >-- is dropped not just from the 364th's roster, but from the Army >payroll. > >In the months before his death, Ridenhour was comparing Army payroll >records and General Orders he had obtained that bore hand-written >notations in the Regimental Journal showing "losses" to the 364th >while stationed in the Aleutians in 1944. Some of his preliminary >calculations showed a drop-off of nearly 1,000 enlisted men -- a >third of the regiment -- with no accompanying explanation of >transfers to other units or discharges. > >In 1999, the Army said it has accounted for all but 20 of the nearly >4,000 black enlisted men who served in the 364th during some period >of time from April through December 1943. However, in a memo to >DeHart in response to some of these apparent discrepancies, the Army >retreated from its 1999 position of certainty. The memo said faulty >record keeping in the 1940s, miscommunication about transfer orders >and poorly copied records can account for the apparent conflicts. > >Regardless of the state of the documents the Army relied on, all that >is accounted for are records of these men, not the men themselves. >When the Army sought to interview by phone living members of the >364th, they turned up only 116 by the time the report was issued. > >Of course, death by natural causes in a group this old would explain >much. But when independent producer Greg DeHart hired a private >investigator to run computer traces on members of the 364th listed in >1943 intelligence files as "troublemakers" the investigator reported >a common response: "No records found for your subject." Some living >soldiers were traceable. Some, when contacted by producer DeHart, >denied that they were ever in the 364th. Some initially agreed to be >interviewed about violence at Camp Van Dorn, then declined. > >It's experiences like these that keep people digging for answers. > >Conclusions > >Certainly, the idea of a single massacre of 1,200 soldiers in one >unit at one base and a subsequent cover-up lasting almost 60 years, >strains credulity. But even one Army commentator believes aspects of >history can be hidden for generations. "Although almost too >preposterous to consider at first," he wrote of the Camp Van Dorn >massacre, "so too was the government's involvement in the Tuskegee >Syphilis Study," referring to the recently revealed scandal of >government program in which treatments were withheld from blacks to >study how they deteriorated and died with the disease. > >The level of racial violence in the military, the intensity of racial >hatred and the willingness of elements of the Army to discriminate >against blacks trying to serve their country is a disgrace that is >gradually coming to light. > >Perhaps further research will show the worst violence at Camp Van >Dorn and other bases occurred at the hands of civilians, not Army >personnel. Consider this item in the declassified study "The >Treatment of The Negro Trainee" (conducted just months after the 1943 >summer of violence): "There are a few cases where it appeared that >the army officers deserted the men and left them to the mercy of >civilian attackers." > >Or perhaps "troublemakers" were disappeared into a maze of secret >court martials, open-ended "disciplinary" internments and >dishonorable discharges. Consider this Oct. 9, 1944, memo from Col. >J.M. Roamer, Director of Intelligence, sent to the Commanding >General, Army Service Forces: "It is known that there are large >numbers of Negro soldiers who are now awaiting discharge in camps >where trouble has occurred. . The discharge should be accelerated." > >In the final analysis, the 1999 Army report presents a rebuttal to >Carol Case's The Slaughter that is as fragmented and circumstantial >as they charge Case's book to be. At best, it is one more chapter in >the ongoing saga, raising challenges to a massacre theory that must >be addressed by researchers, but illuminating little of this dark >corner of American history. > >The History Channel's Mystery of the 364th is an even-handed >advancement of this compelling inquiry. > >Much remains to be done. > >- -- > >Geoffrey F.X. O'Connell's work is supported by a grant from The Fund >for Investigative Journalism. Ron Ridenhour's investigation was >supported by a grant from the Alicia Patterson Foundation. Since >Ridenhour's death, the executor of his estate, New Orleans attorney >Mary Howell, has assisted O'Connell in furthering his former >colleague's work. Email O'Connell at <gfoconnell@...>. > >Copyright (c) 2001 Gambit Communications. 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run campaigns where we can win. where we cannot win we are forced to support the weaker of our enemies forces, while organizing the independent Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party. to say that i don't attack democrats is funny, you obviously were not around new brunswick last election, plus i use the term mcgreasy to show that i have no respect for the democratic candidate. you criticize bush2 after you put him there. fortune500 said below: "We should run in (national) elections to build our movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold illusions that we can "seize power" this way." i argue that we should work on national elections to build our movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, because we cannot win we must work to support the candidate that least represents imperialism. the people/greens should work to defeat the peoples' most aggressive enemy, republicans, while organizing the peoples forces on local levels. joe500, you are running this green candidate for governor knowing that it will work to strengthen the republicans chance of winning. i will attack this work and criticize this position constantly. to work on seizing local positions only, because these are the only elections that the peoples' forces have a chance to win is a correct political position. fortune500 your argument is unraveling, the fact is that the people must defeat the republicans and the organizers must embrace this strategy or be criticized and exposed as counter-progressive organizers. new jersey must champion the position that bush2 is crook by using this slogan to organize the voters to defeat franks/schundler. in this instance we must suck up all personal agendas and build a temporary alliance with mcgreasy. republicans in the garbage can!- vote mcgreasy joe >From: JFortun845@... >To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:22:50 EDT > >Joseph: > With all due respect, you are spreading falsehoods by saying we don't attack Republicans. We attack Republicans all the time. We just sent out a national press release attacking Bush's environmental policy. Your problem is that we also attack Democrats as being the wolves in sheep's clothing. You do not and, hence, your line is no different than that of the revisionist CP over the last 50 or so years. We all know about the Republicans. hence, it's the Democrats that we need to expose. Your line is not going to lead us anywhere. True, the Greens are not going to win national elections right now, and wouldn't seize power that way, anyway, but if we don't start building independent politics now, we never will. > >The essence of my problem with your line, though, is that you believe we >can "seize power" by winning enough local elections. That's hogwash and is >a line which sets us up for failure. We should run in elections to build >our movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold >illusions that we can "seize power" this way. (This is a minority >viewpoint within the Greens at the moment, btw, which is why we need more >conscious forces to join with us). > Cast away your illusions! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Don't divide the progressive vote! Bury Franks/Schundler!
Build the strategic temporary alliance with Democrat McGreasy in order to
send Nation message:
Racist Republicans you can't hide, WE CHARGE YOU WITH GENOCIDE!!
PEOPLES' WAR ON THE RIGHT!
(explain this greens/fortune500! cause i see a difference between democrats
and republicans)
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/133879c.html
Assembly kills effort to oust Verniero
05/11/01
BY BRIAN DONOHUE
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
A formidable effort to remove state Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero
from office died yesterday in a bitter floor fight in the Assembly, where
Republicans used parliamentary maneuvers to block his impeachment.
What began a month ago as a bipartisan push to oust Verniero on charges
that he gave false testimony about racial profiling to a Senate
committee ended in a partisan clash. Assembly Democrats contended the
Republican majority was ducking its responsibility by killing what would
have been the first impeachment under the state's 1947 Constitution.
"Mr. Verniero represents the worst elements of our criminal-justice system;
his presence on the highest court is a travesty and he must be removed,"
said Assemblyman William Payne (D-Essex), sponsor of a resolution to bring
articles of impeachment against the justice.
That resolution was tabled on a vote of 41-36, with three Republicans
among the dissenters. No Democrat voted with the majority. A last-gasp
attempt by Payne to post it for a vote was ruled out of order by Speaker
Jack Collins (R-Salem), who announced two weeks ago that he would not allow
impeachment to go forward.
The session was the last chance for the Assembly to act before
Tuesday's two-year anniversary of Verniero's resignation as attorney
general, the latest date on which he could be charged for misdeeds while in
that office.
It was the Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee that last
month accused Verniero of withholding information about racial profiling by
the State Police when he was attorney general from 1996 to 1999, then
misleading the Senate about the issue when it was considering his
appointment to the court.
Throughout the firestorm of allegations, Verniero and his attorney Robert
Mintz repeated, in statements and a 44-page rebuttal of the Judiciary
Committee's charges, that Verniero did nothing wrong.
"From the outset, the drumbeat for impeachment was premised upon a
series of unfounded allegations and unfair inferences," Mintz said
yesterday. "The record created by this process will bear this out."
Yesterday's moves by the Assembly Republican leadership enraged
Democrats, 32 of whom delivered speeches saying the failure to impeach
Verniero sullies the state's highest court, tarnishes the Legislature and
affronts minorities who have been victims of racial profiling.
In terse, angry tones, Assemblywoman Nia Gill (D-Essex) accused Collins
of violating the constitutional rights of Assembly members and the public by
refusing to let the Assembly even debate impeachment.
"One man in one position with one title has stilled the voice of the people
to have a fair and open debate," Gill stated, glaring at Collins at the
speaker's podium. "To discuss it -- you won't even allow this body to do
that."
The move to impeach the court's newest justice began last month after
the Senate Judiciary Committee heard testimony from Verniero and other
present and former officials of the Attorney General's Office about racial
profiling -- the illegal targeting of minorities for traffic stops and
searches.
The committee concluded Verniero had misled it during his May 1999
confirmation hearings, and had withheld data pertaining to racial profiling
from legislators, the U.S. Department of Justice and the courts.
While all 11 members of the bipartisan Senate committee called for
impeachment, only the Assembly can bring articles of impeachment.
When Collins announced April 26 that he would not allow the measure to
be introduced, he suggested the committee instead turn its evidence over the
Mercer County Prosecutor's Office for prosecution under perjury laws. Sen.
William Gormley (R-Atlantic), the committee chairman, rejected that idea.
Responding to the criticism heaped upon him yesterday, Collins capped
the four-hour discussion with an impassioned defense of his decision.
"I made this decision; I stand on it," he declared, his voice rising. "I
believe it's the right thing for New Jersey, for its citizens."
Collins took issue with those who suggested he should let an
impeachment proceed because the case was being watched across the
nation. "Let them look," he said. "Let them look at New Jersey, which has
said under our rules, given to us by this House, under this Constitution, it
was determined that this was not in the best interests of New Jersey."
The Assembly gallery was initially packed with demonstrators who
shouted and clapped in protest of a 11/2-hour delay in the start of the
session. Others yelled, "I don't recall," a reference to Verniero's
testimony before the Judiciary Committee, in which he said he could not
remember of meetings he attended and documents on racial profiling. The
crowd left before the vote.
Earlier in the day, Senate Democrats held a news conference during
which Debra Rolax, whose son Sherron was captured on film being
frisked by Gov. Christie Whitman in 1996, decried the "evils of racial
profiling."
While members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have asserted that the
charges were an issue separate from the issue of racial profiling, Payne and
other Democrats portrayed impeachment as a chance for redress for minority
drivers subjected to years of discriminatory roadside stops and searches.
Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson-Coleman (D-Mercer) called Verniero "a
living, big, great, huge symbol of that injustice that we experience every
day simply riding on the roadways of New Jersey."
While Verniero has had few defenders throughout the controversy,
several Republicans rose to his defense yesterday.
Assemblyman Gary Stuhltrager (R-Salem) said the Senate Judiciary
Committee's report "contained no evidence in terms of lying or
misrepresentation."
Rather, he said, the fervor to oust Verniero had been driven by politics and
by personal dislike of Verniero for his political ambition and aloofness in
his former post as counsel to Whitman. "He was lucky. Maybe he rubbed some
people the wrong way," Stuhltrager said. "They are not grounds for asking
for his resignation; those aren't grounds for impeachment."
Gormley said the justice should find no vindication in escaping
impeachment. The full Senate last week approved a resolution calling for
Verniero's resignation. Acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco and all three major
gubernatorial candidates also have demanded that Verniero step down.
"This is beyond not getting a hint," Gormley said of Verniero's refusal to
quit.
The allegations against Verniero could become an issue when he appears
before the committee for reappointment in 2006.
Mintz said Verniero, who spent yesterday working in his Flemington
chambers, was not concerned with that.
"Throughout this process, Justice Verniero has devoted all of his energies
to his duties on the court," Mintz said. "He has remained focused and
productive and he looks forward to continuing to do so."
Staff writer Dunstan McNichol contributed to this report.
MARCH ON TRENTON TO DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING & POLICE BRUTALITY -
WEDNESDAY MAY 16 contact joe smith 732.729.0390 can_bush@...
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now who is left sloganeering? i suggest that the greens join the progressive movement and organize to defeat the republicans. let new jersey send a message to the nation - bush2 is illegitimate and all republicans must be buried. new jersey shall initiate/join the peoples' war on the right. joe ps- what do you think will happen to mumia when bush2 gets around to him? >From: jfortun845@... >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail >Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:04:27 EDT > >In a message dated 5/9/01 1:21:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >can_bush@... writes: > > > > you criticize bush2 after you put him there. > > > > > >Wrong again. Ralph Nader and the Greens continually criticized both the >Republicans and the Democrats at one and the same time and in the same >sentences. You are merely perpetuating Democratic Party propaganda and >doing >their bidding by claiming Nader didn't attack Bush. Moreover, you are >perpetuating the myth that the people only have the choice of Democrats and >Republicans and that this choice makes some kind of significant difference. >This is just the warmed over old CP line. We advanced the progressive >agenda, >such as universal healthcare, a living wage, and end to the death penalty, >an >end to police brutality, an end to corporate welfare, justice for >Palestinians,etc., to name just a few issues on which both Dems and Repubs >advanced reactionary positions. > >Look at the Leonard Peltier case for example. During the debate with at >WISOMMM, Amiri argued that we had to support the Dems because they would >treat our political prisoners better (Peltier and Mumia were mentioned).... >Well, that worked out real well with Peltier, didn't it? Relying on the >pro-death penalty, pro-police, pro-drug war anti-people Dems is not >progressive by any stretch of the imagination. To support the Dems at this >stage is to build cynicism and also tails behind the people, who are >increasingly fed up with the two-party system. > >Break away from the two-party system! Throw all the bums out, Ds &Rs! Build >a >true mass party of the people! Unite the many to defeat the few! Support a >progressive African-American for Governor, Jerry Coleman. Support a >Progressive Agenda. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Protest Racist Republicans defending Verneiro! 2:00pm Today - Saturday contact Joe Smith 732.729.0390 Meet at George St. Fountain for initial protest - March to Remsen and Baldwin to burn Confeserate Flag. Work to organize/defend New Brunswick community against Racist Profiling & Police Brutality, also Promote March on Trenton May 16. Sunday @ 2:00pm Sign/Banner making Barbeque for March on Trenton May 16 to Defeat Racist Profiling. 211 Redmond St. New Brunswick, backyard. for today's homenews tribune article about Racist Republicans defending Verneiro click on this link below. http://www.injersey.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,392590,00.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Hey Tracy, Where and when do you preach? Some of us are considering checking you out. I hope it's ok that we're Catholic! JML --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: > I CHARGE BOL/SWORD WITH BEING EGALITARIANS > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Racist Profiling and the November election? Democrats will not stop road to Impeachment: http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/133b075.html We must organize to seize power where we can win! In elections that the peoples' "representatives" cannot win (currently state & national) organizers must address and organize around the contradictions amongst the ruling parties. Present conditions dictate that the people must defeat the Republican Party candidate. Although the Democrats are not representatives of the people, the Republicans are openly the greater threat with their aggressive/obvious White Supremacist attacks. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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sept. 4 racist murders hogan and kenna go to trial - all are welcome >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Waste the Republicans! - vote McGreasy >Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:13:01 -0400 (EDT) > >NEXT I PREACH WILL BE SEPT. >I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN AND WHERE. ALL ARE WELCOME. > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(some may get this mail twice, the second one is to forward around.
those that get it once, the first one is to forward)
MARCH 2 DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING!!
This Wednesday, May 16, a coalition of New Jersey organizations
aimed at Defeating Racist Profiling & Police Brutality will lead a
March on the Trenton State House to demand and organize for
Democratic Community Control over Police. New Jersey is the
poster-state for Racist Profiling and with this upcoming
gubernatorial election we must put forward the position Waste/Bury
Racist Republicans!
Buses will be leaving New Brunswick Public Library at 9:00am
for contact info call Joe Smith 732.729.0390 or 732.586.5535 or
e-mail can_bush@...
Buses will also be leaving Newark - for meeting point/time and all
info contact Larry Hamm 973.801.0001
If you will not be traveling from these points meet at the
Statehouse in Trenton @12:00 noon
(this is a general announcement, for any particular information call
or e-mail Joe)
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>Pacifica Campaign Action Alert >Democracy Now! Thrown Off the Air > >Amy Goodman was yanked off the air today (Wednesday) at Pacifica station >KPFK in Los Angeles and WBAI in New York. At WBAI, Democracy Now! was >preempted entirely. At KPFK, an old edition of the program was aired. > >PROTEST THE ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY NOW! >CALL THE FUND-DRIVE TALLY ROOMS > >Call KPFK at 1-818-985-KPFK (5735) >Call WBAI at 1-212-209-2950 > >Protest Pacifica management�s harassment of Amy and Democracy Now! and ask >that the editorial integrity of the program be respected. Call for the >Democracy Now! to be returned to the air. > >Let your voice be heard! > >Please be polite and patient. You will be speaking with tally room >volunteers. Let them know what is happening. Please call as many times as >you feel necessary to get your message across. > >Background: > >Democracy Now! was canceled in the wake of yesterday�s Congressional >hearing >on the Pacifica crisis before the Progressive Caucus. Also yesterday, Board >Treasurer Micheal Palmer resigned. Pacifica managers were clearly worried >about whether Democracy Now! would cover the story, which The Washington >Post, among others, reported on today. > >KPFK management, in an attempt to discredit Amy, provided listeners with >the >flimsy excuse that Amy supposedly refused to provide fund drive programming >to the station. Even if this charge were true, which it is not, that is >hardly a reason to run an old edition of the program. KPFK could have >easily >played today�s version. Amy is pitching normally at Pacifica stations WPFW >and KPFA. > >At WBAI, as tri-state area listeners know, Amy is being harassed on a daily >basis by General Manager Utrice Leid. On-air and off-air, she has called >Amy >a racist, a liar, unethical, and publicly claimed that Amy "defecates" and >"vomits" on the air. > >Twice this week, and only minutes before air-time, the station manager >kicked Amy and the Democracy Now! production team out of WBAI�s main >broadcast studio and forced them into a small, sub-standard production >studio. Democracy Now! is the only program that has been relegated to the >space -- a clear demonstration of Pacifica management's consistent campaign >of harrassment and censorship of Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! > > >C >********************************************** >Mailing Address: >The Pacifica Campaign >51 MacDougal St., #80 >New York, NY 10012 >Tel: (646) 230-9588 > >http://www.pacificacampaign.org >pacificacampaign@... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
A WBAI victory. Stay strong and pay close attention.... Pacifica Board! Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT) breaking news: an announcement from Pacifica Board Chair David Acosta was read by Congressman Major Owens today at about 4:45pm, at the end of the Progressive Caucus forum on the crisis at Pacifica. Acosta announced that Michael Palmer, currently treasurer of the Pacifica Nat'l Board, will resign. No explanation or effective date was given for the resignation. > This is a significant victory for the movement to take back Pacifica and WBAI! Most of you will recall that Palmer is one of the corporate >hi-jackers who have been destroying Pacifica; he wrote the infamous memo in >1999 which revealed their plans and intention to ruin the network and to >sell KPFA and/or WBAI. Good riddance Palmer! Next out the door, the rest >of the corporate gang: John Murdock, Ken Ford, David Acosta, Bessie Wash, >Utrice Leid! - pat. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:46:42 -0400 An upcoming event. Stay strong and pay close attention. Juanita Thursday, May 24th at 6 PM "Building Bridges: Your Community & Labor Report" will present a forum The Crisis at WBAI & Pacifica Radio The Labor and Community Fightback with Mimi Rosenberg and Ken Nash past and future hosts of WBAI's "Building Bridges" Sponsored by NY Public Library Guild Local 1930, DC 37 at DC 37 AFSCME, 125 Barclay Street (near City Hall) Room 3 For more information call 212-815-1699 or email knash@... Also check out the BB web site - www.buildingbridgesradio.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Some of those same republicans that blocked impeachment in the senate are up for election. The Democrats have the chance to seize the majority of the assembly which "promises" the continued move towards verneiro's impeachment. home news article: http://www.injersey.com/news/backstories.pl?paper=2&id=394827 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
IMPORTANT INFORMATION. Stay strong and pay close attention.... J- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Fwd: UPDATE: DEMOCRACY NOW! Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:36:10 -0700 (PDT) --- Eileen Sutton <efsutton@...> wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:52:32 -0400 > To: savewbai@..., NYC-DAN@..., nyfreemedia@... > From: Eileen Sutton <efsutton@...> > Subject: UPDATE: DEMOCRACY NOW! > Reply-to: savewbai@... > > < < < UPDATE ON DEMOCRACY NOW! > > > > > Friends, > > Democracy Now! was thrown off the air for the second day in both L.A. and New York. At WBAI, DN was preempted entirely. At KPFK, an old > > edition of the program was aired both days (today KPFK aired a DN > > segment on lyricist on lifelong socialist Yip Harberg, who had been >blacklisted). Sources inside WBAI say there is no indication when > > Democracy Now! will return to WBAI's air. > > > > Call and protest Pacifica management's harassment of Democracy Now! and >ask that the editorial integrity of DN be respected. Call for > > Democracy Now! to be played in full, every day. Ask for the real > > deal, no fakes and no frauds. That day's version of Democracy Now! > > only. > > > > Your calls to the tally room are having tremendous effect, and on the> >air today, WBAI staff admitted the small number of pledges coming in. > > > > FLOOD THE TALLY ROOM AND INTERIM MANAGER UTRICE LEID WITH > > CALLS...DEMAND THAT DEMOCRACY NOW! BE PUT BACK ON THE AIR! > > > > Please join the WBAI morning picket on Friday, 7:30 a.m. to 9:00 > > a.m., to support Amy, as well as all the fired and the banned. The >station is trying once again to raise money to support an > > illegitimate coup. And this may be the opening salvo by Pacifica to > > remove Democracy Now! for good. > > > > JOIN THE MORNING PICKET AT WBAI FRIDAY! GREAT ENERGY! THERE HAVE > > BEEN SEVERAL GREAT PICKETS THIS WEEK! > > > > Tally: 212-209-2950; Leid: 212-209-2800 > > > > 120 Wall St., walk East to the river > > 4, 5, 2, 3 trains to Wall St. > > > > Free the media! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PROTEST THE ATTACK ON DEMOCRACY NOW! > > CALL THE FUND-DRIVE TALLY ROOMS > > > > Call KPFK at 1-818-985-KPFK (5735) > > Call WBAI at 1-212-209-2950 > > > > Protest Pacifica management's harassment of Amy and Democracy Now! and >ask > > that the editorial integrity of the program be respected. Call for >Democracy > > Now! to be played in full, every day. Ask for the real deal, no fakes >and >no > > frauds. That day's version of Democracy Now! only. > > > > Let your voice be heard! > > > > Please be polite and patient. You will be speaking with tally room > > volunteers. Let them know what is happening. Please call as many times >as > > you feel necessary to get your message across. > > > > Background: > > > > Democracy Now! was canceled in the wake of yesterday's Congressional >hearing > > on the Pacifica crisis before the Progressive Caucus. Also yesterday, >Board > > Treasurer Micheal Palmer resigned. Pacifica managers were clearly >worried > > about whether Democracy Now! would cover the story, which The >Washington > > Post, among others, reported on today. > > > > KPFK management, in an attempt to discredit Amy, provided listeners >with >the > > flimsy excuse that Amy supposedly refused to provide fund drive >programming > > to the station. Even if this charge were true, which it is not, that is > > hardly a reason to run an old edition of the program. KPFK could have >easily > > played today's version. > > > > Amy is pitching normally at Pacifica stations WPFW and KPFA. > > > > At WBAI, as tri-state area listeners know, Amy is being harassed on a >daily > > basis by General Manager Utrice Leid. On-air and off-air, she has >called >Amy > > a racist, a liar, unethical, and publicly claimed that Amy "defecates" >and > > "vomits" on the air. > > > > Twice this week, and only minutes before air-time, the station manager > > kicked Amy and the Democracy Now! production team out of WBAI's main > > broadcast studio and forced them into a small, sub-standard production > > studio. Democracy Now! is the only program that has been relegated to >the > > space -- a clear demonstration of Pacifica management's consistent >campaign > > of harrassment and censorship of Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Subject: [poprogress] Protest on May 19th in Irvington Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:31:07 EDT There will be a rally in Irvington on Saturday, May 19th at 12:00 to protest the racist police murder of the Bilal Colbert. The rally will be at the place where he was gunned down on the corner of 18th Avenue and 22nd Street. for info contact larry hamm @973.801.0001 or joe smith @732.729.0390 can_bush@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
why do i hear that some in the nb peoples' campaign are on the sly promoting frank bright to run for mayor of new brunswick? to those involved with this activity, you are fucked up cowards and more backwards than a dog that eats its own vomit. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
what are you talking about? >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] hearing things >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:14:18 -0400 > >why do i hear that some in the nb peoples' campaign are on the sly >promoting >frank bright to run for mayor of new brunswick? to those involved with this >activity, you are fucked up cowards and more backwards than a dog that eats >its own vomit. > >joe >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
IF THAT TRUE , I AM BEHIND IT 200%. WHAT KIND OF COWARDLINESS THAT BOL/SWORD PRODUCING BY SAYING IT NOT FORWARD ? BOL/SWORD ARE BACKBITERS, DESPITEFUL,PROUD, BOASTERS, AND EXPERTS OF EVIL THINGS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes, the NBPC is gonna secretly run a Republican slate of candidates, and the posters around town will show them self-flagellating as they struggle to resist eating dog puke off a hot July sidewalk on Remsen Ave. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote: > what are you talking about? > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y..., njfo@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] hearing things > >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:14:18 -0400 > > > >why do i hear that some in the nb peoples' campaign are on the sly > >promoting > >frank bright to run for mayor of new brunswick? to those involved with this > >activity, you are fucked up cowards and more backwards than a dog that eats > >its own vomit. > > > >joe > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Why no 'Springtime
for Stalin'?
05/17/01
The huge success of that Broadway
comedy about Adolf Hitler, "The
Producers," got me thinking: How come
no one ever makes fun of that other
lovable dictator who slaughtered millions,
Joe Stalin?
"The Producers" is a laugh riot, critics say. The
movie version was
certainly funny. But Stalin is being shortchanged.
He was just as fanatical
as Hitler. He issued as many silly orders. He even
overran Poland. So
where's his musical?
I started thinking about this after I got a copy
of the new book "Commies"
by Ronald Radosh. Radosh is one of the leading
neoconservative writers
in America, but he began life as a so-called "red
diaper baby." His
parents were New York City Marxists, and he
attended high school at the
so-called "Little Red Schoolhouse" in Greenwich
Village, where most of
the teachers were advocates of world socialism.
In summer, he attended "commie camp," sleeping out
in the woods of
upstate New York with the sons and daughters of
Manhattan Marxists. He
went to college at the University of Wisconsin in
the '60s and worked
toward a "revolution" that never quite
materialized.
As he got older, he got smarter. By the time he
went to Nicaragua in the
1980s, he recognized the Sandinistas for the
Soviet stooges they were.
He realized that he'd been had. He turned against
the movement.
Radosh's book is the story of his personal
transformation. It is a serious
work of some historical import. But if he ever
decides to write a musical
comedy based on it, he's got some excellent
material.
Especially the stuff about Pete Seeger. Radosh
first got to know Seeger
at commie camp, where the Harvard-educated
hillbilly would pick up his
banjo and drone on endlessly about some
unfortunate worker
somewhere. That's not funny. It's boring. What's
funny is the wacky
situation Pete got himself into back in 1941 when,
as part of a group
called the Almanac Singers, he recorded an album
titled "Songs for John
Doe."
Like good lefties, the Almanac Singers were trying
to further the interests
of Joe Stalin. And Stalin was at that moment in a
nonaggression pact
with Adolf Hitler. Any friend of Joe's was a
friend of Pete's, so Pete threw
himself into the effort to keep the United States
from going to the aid of
the English, who were then engaged in a lonely and
heroic fight against
Hitler. The album was full of songs that lampooned
Franklin D. Roosevelt
as a warmonger for wanting to help England.
"Franklin D., Franklin D.,
you ain't gonna send us across the sea," went one
lyric. Not quite as
pithy as "Springtime for Hitler," but quite catchy
nonetheless.
Oops. A few days after the album came out, Hitler
invaded the Soviet
Union. The album was quickly recalled and all but
a few copies were
destroyed. Pete and the group, which also included
Woody Guthrie,
immediately cut another album, this time calling
on the United States to
jump into the war alongside Uncle Joe.
The switcheroo worked. The incident was largely
lost to history, and I
have seen little note of it anywhere outside the
writings of Radosh.
Compare this to the case of Charles Lindbergh. He
was forever tarred by
his isolationism in those crucial days before
World War II. But Seeger's
dalliance with Dolf was immediately forgotten.
Radosh's book has a number of other interesting
revelations in it, but I
think this is the only one that could be boffo at
the box office. The idea of
those softheaded American lefties being so
enamored of Stalin that they
actually served the purposes of Hitler -- that's
about as funny as it gets.
Can you imagine the scene where Pete and Woody --
like Lucy and Ethel
-- stand alongside the conveyor belt frantically
trying to dispose of all
those embarrassing albums? A laugh riot!
And then there's the scene where they stay up all
night rewriting the
lyrics: "What'll we do with this song 'If I Had a
Himmler'?" asks Woody.
"I got it!" says Pete. "How about "If I Had a
Hammer'?"
"Yeah," says Woody. "That's the ticket!"
What a yukfest! I can't wait to see it. Actually,
I'll have to wait. The
American left has a hard time confronting its
past, perhaps because its
past isn't much different from its present. Radosh
discusses dozens of his
former comrades who moved seamlessly into
positions of power in politics
and journalism. Perhaps the most prominent was his
old pal Michael
Lerner, who in 1973 wrote a book titled "The New
Socialist Revolution"
and in 1993 emerged as spiritual adviser to the
Clintons.
I suspect this is why American liberals can laugh
at Hitler but not at Stalin.
They don't get the joke. If Stalin's spiritual
heir Fidel Castro showed up in
Manhattan tomorrow, most Americans would yuk it up
at that corny
beard-and-fatigue routine. But a whole lot of
Democratic deep thinkers
would line up to give him an even warmer reception
than he got back in
1959, when at least the shtick was new.
So it will probably be a few more years before the
American thinking
classes start satirizing their own pet dictators.
When they finally get
around to it, however, the lefties will be able to
put on a heck of a show.
They've already got a lot of experience tap-
dancing around the truth. All
they need is some words and music.
Paul Mulshine is a Star-Ledger columnist.
>From: "Greg Di Gesu" <gregdig65@...> >To: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Re: happy mayday yrself! be safe... >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:00:40 -0400 > > Cliff, > > Thanks!!! Here's something fairly disturbing put out by the >Texas >Dept of Criminal Justice: final meal requests!!! > > http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/finalmeals.htm > > > greg > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Sharpton tells magazine he'd like to run
for president
The Associated Press
5/20/01 1:07 PM
NEW YORK (AP) -- The Rev. Al Sharpton is planning
to run for president
in 2004, Time magazine reported Sunday.
"I feel that the Democratic Party must be
challenged in 2004 because it
didn't fight aggressively to protect our voting
rights in Florida," he said in
the issue on newsstands Monday. "I think we need
to look at running a
black in the primary. I have said I would be
available to do it."
Sharpton said the idea came to him while he sat
under a tree in Sudan,
which he visited in April on a fact-finding tour
about slavery.
He denied that he was taking advantage of the Rev.
Jesse Jackson's
tarnished image. "I'm not one to think that Rev.
Jackson's finished," he
said. "I'm not trying to take advantage of his
travail. My rise is not at
Jesse's expense. If I'm rising it's because I've
done the work on issues
like police brutality that affect huge numbers of
our people."
In January, Jackson, who ran for president in 1984
and 1988,
acknowledged having fathered an out-of-wedlock
child with a woman on
the staff of his Washington office.
Sharpton, who was preaching at several New York
City churches on
Sunday, could not immediately be reached for
comment, but his
spokeswoman Rachel Noerdlinger confirmed that he
was considering
running for president.
Sharpton ran for U.S. Senate in New York in 1994
and came in third in a
four-way contest in the Democratic primary with 25
percent of the vote. In
1997, he took 32 percent of the vote in a
Democratic mayoral primary.
Green Nader , even in the face of vile acts of Bushwackers since you all
helped give them election, you all still refuse to make SELF CRITICISM!!
Tax Robbery up to 4 TRILLION, CO2, ARSENIC copouts, Artic Drilling Right
On, CHINA (Nader's line on China as warped as B2's; UN ouster from Human Rts
& Drug Commissions, B2's refusal to deliberate on Chemical Weapons, Ouster
of Natl Lawyers from grading of Judges; setting up of Law clerks of Scalia
and Thomas for next Extreme Ct ; What does it take?
And now you want Franks in? What does it take?? AMIRI B
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you are not chipping away at anything by working to divide the progressive vote - which only benefits the republicans. the people must be organized to waste the republicans, not fooled by greens who promote that they cannot challenge. the republicans represent the most backwards and viscous elements of imperialism and must be the target of our united front in new jersey. it is correct under these conditions to build an open, tactical, temporary alliance with mcgreasy in order to bury franks. you have achieved no victory, let alone personal, by being smoothed into running for governor - you have been duped. who will replace you on the Rahway city council? you must continue to organize Rahway for peoples' democracy - with demands for democratic community control over education, police, housing, childcare, redevelopment...this is how the progressive movement must organize - throughout NJ on local levels where we can win. joe smith >From: jerrylcoleman@... >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans >Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:58:42 EDT > > >From: The Desk Of Jerry L. Coleman, NJGP Candidate for Governor > >Where there is no struggle there is no possibility of victory. You can >start >the process of struggle today or you can sit around and just wait for >another >day, >week, month, year or decade to come and go. > >I have already acheived personal victory over my enemies by being bold >enough >to accept the challenge of running for Governor in the state of New Jersey. >We must continue to run our candidate on all levels. As all of you are >aware, >the door has been open for quite some time for interested individuals to >seek >local, >county, state and federal elected seats as Green Party Candidates. That >opportunity >still exist today. > >Some of you are aware that I served on the Rahway City Council for eight >years. >During this time period I was not supported by the republicans or the >democrats. >I always ran as the "People Choice Democratic Candidate". I was not then >and >I >am not now afraid of the political or economic giants that you and I have >faced in the >past and will surely be confronted with in the future. > >I examined the election history in the 7th congressional district where Bob >Franks >served as representative. The democrats have not held that seat for several >years. >However, they never stop running a candidate for this congressional >district. >As a >matter of fact, when Franks decided to run for the U.S. Senate seat against >Corzine, >the democrats certainly felt that this was there opportunity to win in the >7th. >History has proved that the voters still elected a republican in the 7th. >The same >holds true in the reverse for other congressional, state, county and local >seats. >Each of the aforementioned parties continue to run candidates in districts >that they >never win. > >In conclusion, I plan to get as much exposure as I can this year in an >effort >to get >the message out to the people. We must continue to chip away at the base of >our political opposition. We must continue to expose both parties for what >they are. >We are making some progress. We are building for the future. > >Grace and Peace > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
from the desk of an iMac you better vote democrat, you already admit that you can't win. how else you suggest the people can waste franks? joe From: jerrylcoleman@... Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:18:40 EDT From The Desk Of Jerry L. Coleman The Democrats do not own my vote nor do they own any other person's vote. They have not earned the right to have my vote. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: amirib@... Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:20:29 -0400 this is the green candidate for governor - these people are claiming that they can't win, but that they are going to "chip away" - by splitting the progressive vote and working to benifit the republicans?? From: jerrylcoleman@... Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 06:58:42 EDT From: The Desk Of Jerry L. Coleman, NJGP Candidate for Governor Where there is no struggle there is no possibility of victory. You can start the process of struggle today or you can sit around and just wait for another day, week, month, year or decade to come and go. I have already acheived personal victory over my enemies by being bold enough to accept the challenge of running for Governor in the state of New Jersey. We must continue to run our candidate on all levels. As all of you are aware, the door has been open for quite some time for interested individuals to seek local, county, state and federal elected seats as Green Party Candidates. That opportunity still exist today. Some of you are aware that I served on the Rahway City Council for eight years. During this time period I was not supported by the republicans or the democrats. I always ran as the "People Choice Democratic Candidate". I was not then and I am not now afraid of the political or economic giants that you and I have faced in the past and will surely be confronted with in the future. I examined the election history in the 7th congressional district where Bob Franks served as representative. The democrats have not held that seat for several years. However, they never stop running a candidate for this congressional district. As a matter of fact, when Franks decided to run for the U.S. Senate seat against Corzine, the democrats certainly felt that this was there opportunity to win in the 7th. History has proved that the voters still elected a republican in the 7th.The same holds true in the reverse for other congressional, state, county and local seats. Each of the aforementioned parties continue to run candidates in districts that they never win. In conclusion, I plan to get as much exposure as I can this year in an effort to get the message out to the people. We must continue to chip away at the base of our political opposition. We must continue to expose both parties for what they are. We are making some progress. We are building for the future. Grace and Peace >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "JUANITA LEWIS" <epsilon1_2000@...> >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, SRichard@..., >Ibrahim_S_Hughes@... >Subject: [poprogress] Fwd: URGENT: Pacifica Campaign News Update >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:51:39 -0400 > >POP Family, > >Urgent news on the WBAI struggle. > >Stay strong and pay close attention.... > > >From: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> >To: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> >Subject: Pacifica Campaign News Update >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:28:15 -0400 > >May 20, 2001 > >Dear Friend, > >We have reached a critical point in our campaign to save the Pacifica >network. Our movement is winning, but to achieve the quickest victory >possible we need your help. > >Last week, we achieved our most stunning successes yet: > >On Monday, at a congressional forum in Washington, D.C., sponsored by >Brooklyn Congressman Major Owens, community activists, listeners, dissident > >board members, and fired Pacifica employees testified about the growing > >crisis at the network. Pacifica managers refused Owens request to >personally >testify and explain their actions and policies, while the >entire forum was >reported in an extensive article in The Washington Post. > >That same afternoon, Pacifica board treasurer Micheal Palmer resigned. His > >resignation followed months of protests at the offices of his employer, >CB >Richard Ellis. It came after two members of the Pacifica Campaign >delivered >a letter to the company1s CEO at corporate headquarters in Los >Angeles and >met with a top assistance of the CEO. At that meeting they >warned of more >protests to come if Palmer remained on the board. We >believe his resignation >was directly related to our peaceful but effective >pressure. > >Then on Tuesday, as several Pacifica stations began their May fundraising > >drive, network management committed a major blunder by launching its most > >obvious attack yet on Amy Goodman and Democracy Now! Utrice Leid, the > >interim station manger at New York1s WBAI, and Steve Yasko, the national > >programming director, suddenly ordered that Democracy Now! would no >longer >use the main studio at WBAI to originate the show. Instead, Amy was >shunted >off to a smaller and technologically inferior alternate studio at >the >station. When the fund drive started the following day, Democracy Now! >was >pre-empted in New York without any warning to Amy and without any > >explanation to the listeners. The same thing happened at KPFK in Los > >Angeles, where management ran old tapes of the show but broadcast a >short >message falsely claiming that Amy had refused to fundraise. This >was an >obvious lie since her show continued to be broadcast at the three other > >Pacifica stations -- and at two of them, Berkeley1s KPFA and Washington1s > >WPFW, she did fundraise. In Houston, they played the regular Democracy >Now! >show but KPFT did its own fundraising. > >This attempt to silence Democracy Now! has sparked a furor among listeners. > >WBAI and KPFK have been flooded with thousands of telephone calls, while > >loud protests occured outside each station. The outrage and phone calls > >continued for the rest of the week virtually paralyzing phone lines and > >severely affecting fundraising. A full-scale listener rebellion is >underway. >On Friday, for example, a day when WBAI usually raises more than >$75,000 >commemorating Malcolm X, the station barely registered $15,000 in >pledges. >Show hosts at the station who backed the Christmas Coup were so stunned >they >repeatedly referred to the boycott on the air, as they launched into angry >attacks against Amy and the Pacifica reform movement. > >Finally, on Friday our movement launched a daily evening news broadcast of >Free Speech Radio News, the program of the striking free lancers of >Pacifica. More than 20 Pacifica affiliates dropped the Pacifica Network >News >(PNN) and are replacing it with Free Speech Radio News as a way of >registering affiliate opposition to Pacifica policies. We at the Pacifica >Campaign have provided funding to keep Free Speech Radio News as daily >program for at least the next month, and hopefully longer. And, in what is >sure to be a major psychological blow to Pacifica, Verna Avery-Brown, the >distinguised longtime anchor of PNN until she resigned in protest against >the network1s policies more than a year ago, has now become the anchor of >Free Speech Radio News. > >Yes, this was truly a historic week. The hijackers at Pacifica are >shell-shocked, but they have not yet surrendered. This coming week will be >critical. We have them on the ropes and we cannot let allow them to >recover. >In fact, we must turn up the heat even higher, and turn off the water even >more completely. > >We need you to become actively involved in one or all of three ways: > >First, keep calling your local Pacifica station during fund drive to >protest >what is happening to Democracy Now! and the entire network. Call as often >as >you can and talk as long as you feel necessary to get your point across. > >Second, participate in one of the many daily pickets outside Pacifica >stations in Los Angeles and New York. Daily pickets are happening in front >of WBAI, 120 Wall Street, from 7:30-9:00 am and 4:30-6:00 pm. At KPFK, >there >is a daily picket 4:00-6:00 p.m. in front of the station at 3729 Cahuenga >Blvd., North Hollywood. At both stations, there will be a super picket on >Thursday afternoon in support of Democracy Now! > >Third, send a financial contribution today to our Pacifica Campaign. More >than a thousand of you have sent donations since February. We thank-you. >But >maintaining this kind of boycott and pressure on the Pacifica board is >expensive. We now have four full-time organizers on staff in New York and >four part-time organizers on staff in Los Angeles. We have reached hundreds >of thousands of people through our mailings, public meetings and protests. >But we want to bring this campaign to a successful conclusion as quickly as >possible. Please make your tax-deductible contributions payable to the >Institute for Media Analysis/Pacifica Campaign. The check can be mailed to >the Pacificia Campaign, 51 MacDougal Street, #80, New York, New York 10012. > >We are convinced that if we can keep the boycott strong throughout the next >few weeks, Pacifica will realize it has lost the support of its listeners. >At that point, I believe, Epstein, Becker & Green will advise the Pacifica >Board that it is time negotiate an end to the conflict. > >Thanks for all your support and trust. We are within sight of victory, of >reclaiming Pacifica for its listeners, staff and community. Keep the >pressure on. > >Hasta La Victoria, > >Juan Gonzalez > > >Y4 >********************************************** >Mailing Address: >The Pacifica Campaign >51 MacDougal St., #80 >New York, NY 10012 >Tel: (646) 230-9588 > >http://www.pacificacampaign.org >pacificacampaign@... > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "The REVEREND" <xxxxxxxxxx@...>
>To: <Overthrow@yahoogroups.com>
>Cc: <sincityara@...>
>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 6:02 PM
>Subject: [Overthrow] Mumia news
>
>
> > If u havent allready seen this its quite abig devlopment in his case
> > DIRTY
> > The Affidavits of Mumia
> > Abu-Jamal and his brother Weslie
> > Cook
> >
> > May 4, 2001
> >
> > DECLARATION OF MUMIA ABU-JAMAL
> > I, MUMIA ABU-JAMAL, declare:
> >
> > I. I am the Petitioner in this action. If called as a
> > witness I could and would testify to the following
> > from my own personal knowledge:
> >
> > 2. I did not shoot Police Officer Daniel Faulkner. I
> > had nothing to do with the killing of Officer Faulkner.
> > I am innocent.
> >
> > 3. At my trial I was denied the right to defend
> > myself I had no confidence in 'my court-appointed
> > attorney, who never even asked me what happened
> > the night I was shot and the police officer was
> > killed; and I was excluded from at least half the
> > trial.
> >
> > 4. Since I was denied all my rights at my trial I did
> > not testify. I would not be used to make it look like I
> > had a fair trial.
> >
> >
> > 5. I did not testify in the post-conviction proceedings
> > in 1995 on the advice of my attorney, Leonard
> > Weinglass, who specifically told me not to testify.
> >
> > 6. Now for the first time I have been given an
> > opportunity to tell what happened to me in the early
> > morning hours of December 9, 1981. This is what
> > happened:
> >
> > 7. As a cabbie I often chose 13th and Locust Street
> > because it was a popular club area with a lot of foot
> > traffic.
> >
> > 8. 1 worked out of United Cab on the night of
> > 12/9/81.
> >
> > 9. I believe I had recently returned from dropping
> > off a fare in West Philly.
> >
> > 10. I was filling out my log when I heard some
> > shouting
> >
> > 11. 1 glanced in my rear view mirror and saw a
> > flashing dome light of a police cruiser. This wasn't
> > unusual.
> >
> > 12. I continued to fill out my log/trip sheet when I
> > heard what sounded like gun shots.
> >
> > 13- I looked again into my rear view mirror and saw
> > people running up and down Locust.
> >
> > 14. As I scanned I recognized my brother standing
> > in the street staggering and dizzy.
> >
> > 15. I immediately exited the cab and ran to his
> > scream.
> >
> > 16. As I came across the street I saw a uniformed
> > cop turn toward me gun in hand, saw a flash and
> > went down to my knees.
> >
> > 17. I closed my eyes and sat still trying to breath.
> >
> > 18. The next thing that I remember I felt myself
> > being kicked, hit and being brought out of a stupor
> >
> > 19. When I opened my eyes, I saw cops all around
> > me.
> >
> > 20. They were hollering and cursing, grabbing and
> > pulling on me. I felt faint finding it hard to breath.
> >
> >
> > 21. As I looked through this cop crowd all around
> > me, I saw my brother, blood running down his neck
> > and a cop lying on his back on the pavement.
> >
> > 22. 1 was pulled to my feet and then rammed into a
> > telephone pole beaten where I fell and thrown into
> > a paddy wagon.
> >
> > 23. I think I slept until I heard the door open and a
> > white cop in a white shirt came in cursing and hit
> > me in the forehead.
> >
> > 24. I don't remember what he said much except a
> > lot of "s", "black mother-ers" and what not.
> >
> > 24. 1 believe he left and I slept- I don't remember
> > the wagon moving for a while and when it did for
> > sometime.
> >
> > 25. I awoke to hear the driver speaking over the
> > radio about his prisoner.
> >
> > 26. I was informed by the anonymous crackle on the
> > radio that I was en route to the police
> > administration building a few blocks away
> >
> > 27. Then, it sounded like "I.D.'d as M-l came on the
> > radio band telling the driver to go to Jefferson
> > Hospital.
> >
> > 28. Upon arrival I was thrown from the wagon to
> > the ground and beaten.
> >
> > 29. I was beaten again at the doors of Jefferson.
> >
> > 30- Because of the blood in my lungs it was difficult
> > to speak, and impossible to holler.
> >
> > 31. I never confessed to anything because I had
> > nothing to confess to.
> >
> > 32. I never said I shot the policeman. I did not shoot
> > the policeman.
> >
> > 33. 1 never said I hoped he died. I would never say
> > something like that.
> >
> >
> > The above statement is true
> > and correct and was executed by me on ~ 2001, at
> > Waynesburg, Pennsylvania.
> >
> > Case No 99 Civ 5089 ('101-IN)
> > Petitioner,
> >
> > MAICRIN HORN, Commissioner,
> > Pennsylvania Department of Corrections,
> > and CONNOR BLAINE, Superintendent of
> > Defendants.
> >
> > MUMIA ABU-JAMAL
> > UNTIED STATES DISTRICT COURT
> >
> > EASTFRN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANiA
> > The State Correctional Institution at Greene)
> >
> > as posted to forum www.mumia.org 05-05-01
> > Fatirah
> > FREE MUMIA! FREE MUMIA! FREE MUMIA!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > =======================================>
> > SUPPLEMENTAL DECLARATION OF WILLIAM COOK
> >
> > I, William Cook, declare;
> >
> > 1. If called to testify as a witness in this matter I
> > would competently testify to the following from my
> > own personal knowledge:
> >
> > 2. On the night of December 9, 1981 I was with my
> > partner Kenneth Freeman, my friend from
> > childhood.
> >
> > 3. Mumia had stopped by at my stand that night. He
> > would do that periodically. Mumia had been robbed
> > about a week before.
> >
> > 4. I left my gun locked up at my stand that night, but
> > Poppi always carried his gun. It was a 38.
> >
> > 5. 1 probably was wearing a black knit cap, I had
> > dreds and always tucked them in.
> >
> > 6. We had closed up late at night.
> >
> > 7. Kenny (Poppi) and I had hit a few bars. We were
> > just unwinding. We used to do that all the time after
> > we closed up the vending stand for the night.
> >
> > 8. We were headed along Locust.
> >
> > 9. Poppi had got some beer and gotten back in the
> > car.
> >
> > 10. At Locust at about Juniper I saw flashing lights
> > of a police car. He followed me for about a half a
> > block and I pulled over behind another car in the
> > first empty spot on the south side of Locust.
> >
> > 11. I had wooden bumpers on my car and they
> > were supposed to be metal. I had been stopped for
> > that but he never said anything about that or gave
> > any reason to have stopped me. I never hit him.
> >
> > 12. I had never seen him before. I knew the cops
> > that worked in the district where my stand Locust
> > and 13th is an adjacent district but I didn't ever see
> > him before.
> >
> > 13. I got out my car. Poppi stayed in the car in the
> > passenger seat. I let him (the cop) know I was not
> > happy.
> >
> > 14. After that we went back and forth verbal
> > confrontation. He pulls out a stick or some kind of
> > object and slaps me in the head three times. By that
> > time he had me on the side of the car, I started
> > bleeding profusely. So I go back to my car to get my
> > paperwork.
> >
> > 15. 1 never raised my hand to the policeman. I may
> > have gone to block him when he was hitting me.
> > That's all. I am not that stupid. I never hit a cop. He
> > hit me with a flashlight.
> >
> > 16. After that I got in the car. I was in the front seat
> > looking in the back seat.
> >
> > 17. There were people on the street, There always
> > were in that area. The bars were supposed to close
> > by two o'clock but the clubs stayed open later.
> > Some until 5 o'clock, They served drinks anyway.
> >
> > 18. I can't say I recall where other people were and
> > I can't describe anyone was, but there were people
> > milling about. I never saw a taxi that they later
> > claimed was there. I don't really know how many
> > people were on the street. But there were always
> > people out there it didn't matter what time. It could
> > be five in the morning and there would be people.
> >
> > 19. When I heard the first shot I was in the drivers
> > seat facing toward the back of the car looking for
> > something in the back seat to give to the cop like an
> > owners card. I am not the organized type and I
> > didn't keep papers in the glove compartment. The
> > back seat had a lot papers and things from the
> > stand, teddy bears, stuffed animals. We sold all that
> > kind of stuff'. Like special stuff for the holidays like
> > on Valentine's day we'd have Valentines and we
> > sold novelty items and artificial flowers.
> >
> > 20. When I had gotten in my car Faulkner was in
> > front of the car by the hood where he had stopped
> > me and frisked me. When I was in the car looking in
> > the back, I heard gun shots and saw sparks but I
> > didn't see him shot. I saw flashes of a gun out of
> > the side of my eye. He was standing in front of the
> > car but I didn't see him shot. I was facing the back
> > of the car.
> >
> > 21. Out of my peripheral vision I knew, I could feel
> > other people around but I can't say where they
> > were. His car was behind mine and the policeman
> > was standing on the street between my car and
> > whatever car was parked in front of me.
> >
> > 22. When I first saw my brother, he was running.
> > He was feet away from me. We hadn't made any
> > plans to meet that night or anything like that and 1
> > didn't even realize that he came around that area
> > there to pick up fares. He had nothing in his hands. I
> > heard a shot and I saw him stumble. I didn't see
> > who shot him. He was stumbling forward.
> >
> > 23. It is strange people told me later everything
> > happened in a few seconds but I could never see it
> > that way. It seemed like everything was happening
> > at once, but it took a long time. I have tried over the
> > years but I can't see it as a few seconds. It seems
> > to me as if it was 45 seconds not three.
> >
> > 24. When I was looking in the back seat Poppi was
> > still there and then I looked and Poppi's door was
> > open. He had been in the passenger seat and I don't
> > know which way he had gone. He left the area right
> > after this happened.
> >
> > 25. Later Poppi talked about a plan to kill Faulkner.
> > He told me that he was armed on that night and
> > participated in the shooting. He was connected and
> > knew all kinds of people. I used to ask him about it
> > but he talked but never said much. He wasn't a
> > talker. I didn't see Poppi for a while after that.
> >
> > 26. Poppi had been in Germany in the army. That
> > night he was wearing his green army jacket. You
> > know just a regulation army jacket. The jacket he
> > always wore, He had been discharged. I don't know
> > for what.
> >
> > 27. 1 got out. I wanted to run maybe I could have
> > gotten away. I even started to run. I did. But I
> > couldn't run because of my brother. Not after I saw
> > my brother down on the ground.
> >
> > 28. I spoke to him. I told him, "I'm here for you." I
> > don't remember his answering, but I remember he
> > groaned.
> >
> > 29. I saw a gun on the street. It was in the gutter. I
> > kicked it under my car. Before the cops came.
> >
> > 30. If they asked me something, I don't remember. I
> > didn't answer them anything. I sure don't remember
> > them reading me my rights. I knew Shoemaker. He
> > used to stop by my stand and sit there and smoke
> > weed. His wife used come to my stand with him.
> >
> > 31. I think they took me away before they took
> > Mumia or the cop. I remember them pushing me.
> > But I can't remember whether I was in a paddy
> > wagon or a squad car or whether I was sitting up or
> > not. My fund was just not to talk.
> >
> > 32. When they had me in the police station they
> > threatened to kill me and throw me in the river.
> >
> > 33. I have been afraid for my life since that night. I
> > have been afraid to tell anything about what
> > happened. Wouldn't you be?
> >
> > 34. They took me in a room. There were two
> > officers black and white. I was saying things to give
> > them something to chew on.
> >
> > 35. I finally came to my senses. I didn't like the
> > whole idea of making a statement. They wanted me
> > to sign a statement but I just wouldn't do it, I told
> > them I wanted to see my lawyer. I didn't like it. So I
> > just wouldn't sign.
> >
> > 36. I think I was in jail a day or two then they let me
> > out on bail.
> >
> > 37. I had been living in center city, but I couldn't
> > stay there after it happened, I got help and moved
> > out of my apartment in the middle of the night. And
> > moved back in with my Mother.
> >
> > 38. I remember Jackson coming to my house
> > several times . My Mother and sister were there. I
> > don't remember him ever interviewing me. I just
> > remember him trying to calm us.
> >
> > 39. I don't remember meeting with him anywhere
> > else except at my Mother's house. He said court I
> > would also be charged with murder. I had to pay
> > him $1,000.
> >
> > 40. Alva was Preenlan's lawyer too
> >
> > 41. If they (Jackson) had said they wanted me to
> > testify I would have done
> > it but they
> >
> > 42. At PCRA, I was expecting to testify. Leonard and
> > Rachel were giving me cross signals, I never did.
> > Rachel wanted me to testify but Leonard didn't. So I
> > didn't testify, In 1999.1 was asked to testify again
> > and I said I would.
> >
> > 43. I will testify now.
> >
> > 44. Mumia was not holding a gun. Mumia never
> > intervened in anything between me and......
> >
> > 45. I had nothing to do with the shooting or killing of
> > the police officer.
> > My brother Mumia Abu-Jamal, had nothing do with
> > shooting or killing the policeman
> >
> > I declare under penalty of perjury, under the laws of
> > the State of Pennsylvania and the laws of
> > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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hungerford, do you suggest that amiri does not organize the "proggressive activists to rally the people to struggle (below)"? can you explain to me what ras' campaigns been doin? U&S been doin? kimako's blues people been doin? his books and poetry and plays been doin? his life been doin? (below) you say "it is the democrats who are the immediate problem" - now there is a contradiction?????????????? even though the point you are making is wrong, the fact that you point out contradictions amongst the democrats and republicans when it suits your purposes, but jump on me when i point out contradictions amongst them, is INSANE! let us also discuss hungerford's history of leading secret "communist" organizations/study groups inside of U&S and then splitting from U&S when it comes out. now all he does is attack! and when he can't attack he blurs! no self-criticism, no progress- hungerford won't even sign his own name to the articles he writes for his own newspaper, nor does he allow for others to sign their names, the same as when he produced U&S for years. there is nothing open and above board with these tactics and they must be addressed. hungerford is pushing the same "boycott the election" line he pushed in 96' "clinton/dole both are worse". (one example) it plays out like this - though the masses support and fight for the head of verneiro, hungerford can't support senator payne drafting the impeachment papers because he is a democrat!? it ultimately plays out in that hungerford puts himself, and whoever he can dupe, between the PEOPLES' demand for verneiro's head and the impeachment happening. joe >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:23:06 -0400 > >" you all helped give them [Repubs, George II, et.al.] election, you all >still refuse to make SELF CRITICISM!!" > >George II was not elected. He was imposed by the Supreme Court in a >right-wing coup d'etat. Bush-oops! I mean Gore-discouraged any popular >effort to prevent the coup. He made no issue of the suppression of the >African-American vote in Florida and told trade unionists not to act. The >coup succeeded mainly because Gore went along with it. > > Gore fully confirmed the correctness of those voters who looked >elsewhere >for an alternative. We are not the ones who should make self-criticism. >Also, please do not attempt intimidation through the meaningless use of >capital letters. > >"UN ouster from Human Rts & Drug Commissions" > >Presumably this refers to the ouster of the United States from commissions >of the UN. To have the U.S. on the HRC is a little like having Hitler on >the >board of the UJA. Its ouster, although partly due to the sharpening of >inter-imperialist contradictions, is a good thing. I do not see why it is >listed among the sins of Bush. > > As for the other things Amiri Baraka lists, it is the duty of progressive >activists to rally the people to struggle. In no way is it correct to rely >on the Democrats to defend the people. If the Republicans are the butcher >he >says they are, the Democrats are the Judas goat that leads the people to >slaughter. It is the Democrats who are the immediate problem and it is from >them that the masses must be won away. > > The people are the real makers of history, not the bourgeoisie. >Revolutionaries must rely on the masses at all times. It is entirely wrong >and anti-Marxist to rely on the bourgeoisie to lead the struggle against >reaction. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:38 PM >Subject: Fwd: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans > > > > > > > > Green Nader , even in the face of vile acts of Bushwackers since you >all > > helped give them election, you all still refuse to make SELF CRITICISM!! > > Tax Robbery up to 4 TRILLION, CO2, ARSENIC copouts, Artic Drilling >Right > > On, CHINA (Nader's line on China as warped as B2's; UN ouster from Human >Rts > > & Drug Commissions, B2's refusal to deliberate on Chemical Weapons, >Ouster > > of Natl Lawyers from grading of Judges; setting up of Law clerks of >Scalia > > and Thomas for next Extreme Ct ; What does it take? > > And now you want Franks in? What does it take?? AMIRI B > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I was glad to see this letter in the Black World Today. I don't personally have any feelings about Russel Simmons on this one way or the other (in fact I've like some of the work he's produced) but I am glad to see this Sister openly write this to someone in the entertainment industry because it is time that these entertainers take some accountability for the issues affecting our community. It is time that we speak out and let them know that we are not too pleased with some of them. Anyway, thought I'd pass this on. <A HREF="http://www.tbwt.com/blackwomentoday/content/article.asp?articleid=721">Click here: Black Women Today - Content Articles</A> http://www.tbwt.com/blackwomentoday/content/article.asp?articleid=721 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:08:20 -0400 Steve has been at ground zero for the whole sin city affair, and this is one of his communiques.......Power to the People! Let's not allow these things to stand........... -----Original Message----- From: The REVEREND [mailto:classwar614@...] Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 3:21 PM To: overthrow@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Overthrow] cincity swine up to thier same old tricks dirty, They did it again the cops shot another person last night however they did not kill him they shot him in the groin-ouch. the dude allegedly had a knife and was "threatening" with it. I guess mase wasn't good enough even though that would've probally made him drop the knife. I think it's funny how the cops did shoot him in the groin this time. I'm sure if they weren't under so much scrutiny right now they would've murdered him in a second. i guess chief Striecher was right these investigations are making the cops hold back snd not do their normal job of killing people just brutalizing them. The march is definately on for tomarrow and I got an email from the Kent kids which made it sound like the reason they weren't coming is because I didn't give enough info. whatever.catch you later, jana p.s. still tyring to come tomarrow still no money but I'm working on it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
even the sopranos know the only benefit from divulging id's are the feds cliff >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, amirib@... >Subject: [nbpc] No Boycott or Division - Bury Franks! >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 11:07:57 -0400 > >hungerford, do you suggest that amiri does not organize the "proggressive >activists to rally the people to struggle (below)"? can you explain to me >what ras' campaigns been doin? U&S been doin? kimako's blues people been >doin? his books and poetry and plays been doin? his life been doin? > >(below) you say "it is the democrats who are the immediate problem" - now >there is a contradiction?????????????? even though the point you are making >is wrong, the fact that you point out contradictions amongst the democrats >and republicans when it suits your purposes, but jump on me when i point >out >contradictions amongst them, is INSANE! > >let us also discuss hungerford's history of leading secret "communist" >organizations/study groups inside of U&S and then splitting from U&S when >it >comes out. now all he does is attack! and when he can't attack he blurs! no >self-criticism, no progress- hungerford won't even sign his own name to >the >articles he writes for his own newspaper, nor does he allow for others to >sign their names, the same as when he produced U&S for years. there is >nothing open and above board with these tactics and they must be addressed. > >hungerford is pushing the same "boycott the election" line he pushed in 96' >"clinton/dole both are worse". > >(one example) >it plays out like this - though the masses support and fight for the head >of >verneiro, hungerford can't support senator payne drafting the impeachment >papers because he is a democrat!? it ultimately plays out in that >hungerford >puts himself, and whoever he can dupe, between the PEOPLES' demand for >verneiro's head and the impeachment happening. > >joe > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: Re: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:23:06 -0400 > > > >" you all helped give them [Repubs, George II, et.al.] election, you all > >still refuse to make SELF CRITICISM!!" > > > >George II was not elected. He was imposed by the Supreme Court in a > >right-wing coup d'etat. Bush-oops! I mean Gore-discouraged any popular > >effort to prevent the coup. He made no issue of the suppression of the > >African-American vote in Florida and told trade unionists not to act. The > >coup succeeded mainly because Gore went along with it. > > > > Gore fully confirmed the correctness of those voters who looked > >elsewhere > >for an alternative. We are not the ones who should make self-criticism. > >Also, please do not attempt intimidation through the meaningless use of > >capital letters. > > > >"UN ouster from Human Rts & Drug Commissions" > > > >Presumably this refers to the ouster of the United States from >commissions > >of the UN. To have the U.S. on the HRC is a little like having Hitler on > >the > >board of the UJA. Its ouster, although partly due to the sharpening of > >inter-imperialist contradictions, is a good thing. I do not see why it is > >listed among the sins of Bush. > > > > As for the other things Amiri Baraka lists, it is the duty of >progressive > >activists to rally the people to struggle. In no way is it correct to >rely > >on the Democrats to defend the people. If the Republicans are the butcher > >he > >says they are, the Democrats are the Judas goat that leads the people to > >slaughter. It is the Democrats who are the immediate problem and it is >from > >them that the masses must be won away. > > > > The people are the real makers of history, not the bourgeoisie. > >Revolutionaries must rely on the masses at all times. It is entirely >wrong > >and anti-Marxist to rely on the bourgeoisie to lead the struggle against > >reaction. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 5:38 PM > >Subject: Fwd: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist Republicans > > > > > > > > > > > > > Green Nader , even in the face of vile acts of Bushwackers since you > >all > > > helped give them election, you all still refuse to make SELF >CRITICISM!! > > > Tax Robbery up to 4 TRILLION, CO2, ARSENIC copouts, Artic Drilling > >Right > > > On, CHINA (Nader's line on China as warped as B2's; UN ouster from >Human > >Rts > > > & Drug Commissions, B2's refusal to deliberate on Chemical Weapons, > >Ouster > > > of Natl Lawyers from grading of Judges; setting up of Law clerks of > >Scalia > > > and Thomas for next Extreme Ct ; What does it take? > > > And now you want Franks in? 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This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... Activists must point out and organize around contradictions amongst the ruling class. There are differences between Democrats and Republicans - Democrats and Republicans know there are differences, and we should not deny it. For those that say there are no difference between Democrats and Republicans this Senator is more progressive than you because you will argue it doesn't matter who controls the majority. The nation recognizes that there is a tremendous shake up because of this move, now Bush2 (& co.) can't fly his bills through and that helps the people. /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Let NYTimes.com Come to You Sign up for one of our weekly e-mails and the news will come directly to you. YOUR MONEY brings you a wealth of analysis and information about personal investing. CIRCUITS plugs you into the latest on personal technology. TRAVEL DISPATCH offers you a jump on special travel deals and news. http://email.nytimes.com/email/email.jsp?eta5 \----------------------------------------------------------/ G.O.P. Senator Plans Shift, Giving Democrats Control By ALISON MITCHELL ASHINGTON, May 23 � Senator James M. Jeffords told aides today that he planned to leave the Republican Party and become an independent, a pivotal move that would vault Democrats into control of the Senate and complicate President Bush's efforts to enact his legislative agenda and win approval for judicial nominees. But with fellow Republicans begging him to reconsider, Mr. Jeffords, a traditional New England liberal Republican in an increasingly conservative party, put off his announcement until Thursday and said he would deliver it in his home state, Vermont. "I wanted to be with my Vermonters when I made the decision," he said. "I want to go home to my people." Throughout a tumultuous day, Republicans huddled with Mr. Jeffords, trying to convince him that he could accomplish his objectives more effectively by staying in the party that controls the White House. From the other side of the aisle, Senator John B. Breaux, a Louisiana Democrat who has worked closely with Mr. Jeffords, was also seen at his side. After 11 Republicans met with Mr. Jeffords for an hour late in the afternoon, several expressed hope that he might not announce a complete break with his party on Thursday. "I'd be surprised if he made an announcement tomorrow that he's leaving the party," said Senator Chuck Hagel, Republican of Nebraska. And Senator Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania, said: "At the end of the meeting, I felt we were in the ballgame. We've got a chance." But other Republicans said they considered it unlikely that Mr. Jeffords would change his mind. The storm over a Jeffords defection eclipsed the Senate's passage of the largest tax cuts in two decades and plunged the Capitol into turmoil as the two parties began to prepare for a landmark shift in power. "If this occurs, it's a historic shift," said Senator Robert G. Torricelli, Democrat of New Jersey. "It's an enormous shift of influence in the federal government." Senators in both parties said early in the day that they had been told that Mr. Jeffords would vote with the Democrats on organizational matters, a move that would end the 50-50 split that left Republicans in control of the Senate through Vice President Dick Cheney's tie-breaking vote. Such a changeover would put the Democrats back in power for the first time since 1994, except for a short time this year when Al Gore was still vice president. Senator Tom Daschle of South Dakota would become the majority leader. Aides in both parties said Democrats would become committee chairmen under the power-sharing agreement struck this year, though some Republicans insisted they could mount a filibuster against the change in chairmen in a bid to retain power. Both sides agreed that a resolution creating new committee ratios and assignments could face a filibuster. "If you think we've had gridlock up until now, watch that one," said Mr. Specter, one of those trying to convince Mr. Jeffords to reconsider. Democrats said privately that party leaders had promised Mr. Jeffords the chairmanship of the Environment and Public Works Committee and that Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the ranking Democrat, had agreed to step aside. Mr. Reid, the Democratic whip, has been courting Mr. Jeffords for weeks. Grim Republicans said that with Democrats in control of the Senate, the tax cut might well turn out to be the legislative highlight of Mr. Bush's first two years in office. "Right now, I guess, President Bush will get his two primary objectives, the tax cut and the education bill, and nothing else," said Senator Robert F. Bennett, Republican of Utah. And Democrats said that if they took the majority they would have far more power to block conservative judges. "It would change the tone a lot and it would clearly change the tone on the court," said Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. Democrat of Delaware. Mr. Biden said Supreme Court nominations "would be a different world." Senators in both parties noted that Mr. Daschle could put on the floor measures that the Republicans had bottled up, like a bill to regulate managed health care. Even with Mr. Jeffords's support, the Democrats would have tenuous control of the Senate and would still need 60 votes to break Republican filibusters. Mr. Jeffords has long had a history of bucking his party on social issues. In 1994, he was the only Republican senator to co-sponsor President Bill Clinton's proposed overhaul of the nation's health care system. But he has also been a respected and productive legislator as chairman of the Senate committee that deals with health and education issues. This year he infuriated the Bush White House when he said he could not support President Bush's full $1.6 trillion tax cut and sought increased federal spending for education. His defection on the budget, along with other centrists, forced Mr. Bush to scale back the tax cut. Since then, Mr. Jeffords has suffered slights and there have been whispers of retaliation. He was not invited to the White House when a Vermont high school teacher was honored recently, and there was talk that the White House could try to derail a dairy compact that helps Vermont farmers and that Mr. Jeffords cherished. Several Republicans blamed Senator Trent Lott, the majority leader from Mississippi, as well as White House aides, for being heavy-handed and not recognizing that Mr. Jeffords could be pushed to leave the Republican Party. Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, who has suffered ostracism by his party, named no names but said, "The lesson to the K Street lobbyists and the Republican apparatchiks is, Don't threaten people." Mr. Jeffords began the morning saying that he would leave the Republican Party. Entering the Capitol just after 9 a.m., he said he had made up his mind and, "it's not to say no" to the Democrats. But stricken Republicans representing the party's moderate wing implored Mr. Jeffords to reconsider in two meetings today. Senator Olympia J. Snowe, Republican of Maine, said that moderates told Mr. Jeffords that party leaders had agreed to create a leadership position for a moderate so Mr. Jeffords could be assured that those with his philosophy have "a legitimate voice in our party." Mr. Lott said, "We're looking at all kinds of options." Among the concessions that Republicans said were offered to Mr. Jeffords were more federal money for education for the disabled as well as a waiver that would allow him to continue as chairman of the education committee beyond next year. Senator Richard G. Lugar, Republican of Indiana, described the afternoon meeting with Mr. Jeffords as soul-searching. "He was thinking very comprehensively," Mr. Lugar said, "about the effects upon the country, the Senate, governance in this country, in addition to his own agenda, his relationship with people whom he would hurt in the process." He said Mr. Jeffords was also "probably reflecting on 20 years of public life in which he has felt many rebuffs and much disappointment." Senate experts said the frenzy surrounding Mr. Jeffords had little precedent. The last time an independent held such sway in the Senate was during the Eisenhower administration in 1953, when two deaths left Democrats with 47 seats to the Republicans' 46. But the Senate's one independent at the time, Wayne Morse of Oregon, a former Republican, said he would vote with the Republicans if the Democrats tried to take control. That would have allowed Vice President Richard M. Nixon to cast the tie-breaking vote, keeping Republicans in power. Senator Bennett said today that he had reminded Mr. Jeffords that Mr. Morse had said he could not vote to reorganize the Senate under the Democrats because he had been elected as a Republican. Asked if he thought Mr. Jeffords should take that history lesson, Mr. Bennett said, "I hope so." http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/24/politics/24JEFF.html?ex=991720917&ei=1&en=7dc8224c62e5632b /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... No difference between Democrats and Republicans - come again? /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Looking for better IT solutions? Toshiba is uniting digital, mobile and network innovations in a bold new vision of Information Technology for today and tomorrow. Take a closer look at life in the new Digital Age. And imagine how good IT can be. Visit Toshiba.com for more details. http://www.nytimes.com/ads/toshiba/index.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ While a Restless Senator Stirred, the Bush Team May Have Slept By FRANK BRUNI Senator James M. Jeffords apparently got away from the Republican party without anybody in the Bush administration noticing that he was heading out the door. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/24/politics/24BUSH.html?ex=991721844&ei=1&en=85a17ab51c7dbf6a /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
more contradictions between democrats and republicans - in case evreyone
didn't get a chance to see this article - it is from may 10.
as far as the message about the progressive united front, it should be
clearly aimed at defeating the republicans.
GOP (Republicans) blocks Assembly Democrats' move to impeach Verniero
Published online in the "real radical" Home News Tribune 5/10/01
By JOHN P. McALPIN
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
TRENTON -- Assembly Republicans scuttled an attempt Thursday to force the
impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Peter G. Verniero, angering some
lawmakers who said they had a duty to hear the charges.
Democrats planned a showdown before the Assembly voting session, hoping to
use house rules and call for a vote on an impeachment resolution.
Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex, tried for a debate, but the Republican
majority denied him by tabling the issue without comment. Democrats then
took the floor one by one to denounce the move and plead for a vote.
"We can't just bury our heads in the sand," Payne said. "We must act to
remove Mr. Verniero."
Several lawmakers cited a Senate Judiciary Committee report that said
Verniero lied and withheld details about racial profiling.
"We cannot in good conscience ignore this record," said Assemblyman Joseph
V. Doria, D-Hudson.
Assembly Speaker Jack Collins, R-Salem, allowed the Democrats to speak,
saying it was clear they were passionate about the issue.
It was Collins who last month refused to consider impeachment, saying
accusations that Verniero lied about racial profiling while attorney general
would be better heard by the courts.
Before the session began about 200 demonstrators crowded the second-floor
gallery, demanding that lawmakers appear. Several times the Assembly clerk
asked for quiet, only to be answered with cheers, chants and handclaps.
Earlier Thursday, the mother of the man frisked by former Gov. Christie
Whitman appeared at the Statehouse and demanded action on racial profiling.
"I'm just here to voice my opinion, to be heard, to lend my voice in the
crusade against the evil of racial profiling," Debra Rolax said.
Sherron Rolax was the Camden teen pictured in a 1996 photograph that showed
a smiling Whitman searching him. After The Associated Press published the
photograph last year, Whitman, now head of the Environmental Protection
Agency, admitted the search was a mistake.
Assemblyman Herbert Conaway, D-Burlington, said Debra Rolax was hoping her
appearance would spur action on long-delayed reforms.
"She's here to say it's time to get moving," Conaway said. Debra Rolax
repeatedly refused to say who invited her or why she chose to speak on
Thursday.
Last week, Assembly Democrats introduced detailed articles of impeachment
against Verniero.
Thirty-five Democrats support an impeachment resolution that charges
Verniero with lying about racial profiling and withholding information from
the U.S. Justice Department.
If six Republicans joined them, Democrats claimed they could force the
Assembly to vote on impeachment, despite the fact that Collins refused to
introduce such a measure. There are 80 members of the General Assembly.
Democrats said they hoped Republican senators, many of whom support
impeachment already, would push Republican Assembly members to act. But the
Democrats got no response to letters sent to Republican Assembly members
requesting support.
Verniero has steadfastly refused to resign and maintains he testified
truthfully at all times about racial profiling.
He was the first attorney general to admit to racial profiling. The
admission came in a 1999 report, one year after two white troopers fired 11
shots at four unarmed minority men -- wounding three -- during a traffic
stop on the New Jersey Turnpike.
On April 5, acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco said he believed Verniero
misled senators when he was questioned about racial
profiling during his 1999 confirmation hearings. DiFrancesco said the
justice should resign.
On the same day Democrats introduced the impeachment measure in the
Assembly, the full Senate approved a resolution saying Verniero should
resign.
The 16-page resolution, approved 37-1, claims Verniero withheld information
from federal investigators and offered intentionally misleading answers
during his Senate confirmation hearings.
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It appears the Democrats are pulling at the bit,thumping their chests, and making noise again thanks to the latest defection by Sen.James Jeffords,who has a long record of voting independently proving he is/was more of an independent(third party) than republican. In fact he states that he can do a better job for his constituantcy as an independent. This also shows he made the decision from conscience and disapline rather than party pressure or dogma. He used his own mind/line rather than someone elses. Even if I disagree I find that admirable. Now, let's see what the democrats do. Then we will see if there really is a differance between them and the GOP.The ball is in their court. Pun intended. R.D. Strong Rutgers University NBCS-Hill Center Operations e-mail : rstrong@... On Thu, 24 May 2001, joseph smith wrote: > more contradictions between democrats and republicans - in case evreyone > didn't get a chance to see this article - it is from may 10. > as far as the message about the progressive united front, it should be > clearly aimed at defeating the republicans. > > GOP (Republicans) blocks Assembly Democrats' move to impeach Verniero > > Published online in the "real radical" Home News Tribune 5/10/01 > > > By JOHN P. McALPIN > THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > TRENTON -- Assembly Republicans scuttled an attempt Thursday to force the > impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Peter G. Verniero, angering some > lawmakers who said they had a duty to hear the charges. > > Democrats planned a showdown before the Assembly voting session, hoping to > use house rules and call for a vote on an impeachment resolution. > > Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex, tried for a debate, but the Republican > majority denied him by tabling the issue without comment. Democrats then > took the floor one by one to denounce the move and plead for a vote. > > "We can't just bury our heads in the sand," Payne said. "We must act to > remove Mr. Verniero." > > Several lawmakers cited a Senate Judiciary Committee report that said > Verniero lied and withheld details about racial profiling. > > "We cannot in good conscience ignore this record," said Assemblyman Joseph > V. Doria, D-Hudson. > > Assembly Speaker Jack Collins, R-Salem, allowed the Democrats to speak, > saying it was clear they were passionate about the issue. > > It was Collins who last month refused to consider impeachment, saying > accusations that Verniero lied about racial profiling while attorney general > would be better heard by the courts. > > Before the session began about 200 demonstrators crowded the second-floor > gallery, demanding that lawmakers appear. Several times the Assembly clerk > asked for quiet, only to be answered with cheers, chants and handclaps. > > Earlier Thursday, the mother of the man frisked by former Gov. Christie > Whitman appeared at the Statehouse and demanded action on racial profiling. > > "I'm just here to voice my opinion, to be heard, to lend my voice in the > crusade against the evil of racial profiling," Debra Rolax said. > > Sherron Rolax was the Camden teen pictured in a 1996 photograph that showed > a smiling Whitman searching him. After The Associated Press published the > photograph last year, Whitman, now head of the Environmental Protection > Agency, admitted the search was a mistake. > > Assemblyman Herbert Conaway, D-Burlington, said Debra Rolax was hoping her > appearance would spur action on long-delayed reforms. > > "She's here to say it's time to get moving," Conaway said. Debra Rolax > repeatedly refused to say who invited her or why she chose to speak on > Thursday. > > Last week, Assembly Democrats introduced detailed articles of impeachment > against Verniero. > > Thirty-five Democrats support an impeachment resolution that charges > Verniero with lying about racial profiling and withholding information from > the U.S. Justice Department. > > If six Republicans joined them, Democrats claimed they could force the > Assembly to vote on impeachment, despite the fact that Collins refused to > introduce such a measure. There are 80 members of the General Assembly. > > Democrats said they hoped Republican senators, many of whom support > impeachment already, would push Republican Assembly members to act. But the > Democrats got no response to letters sent to Republican Assembly members > requesting support. > > Verniero has steadfastly refused to resign and maintains he testified > truthfully at all times about racial profiling. > > He was the first attorney general to admit to racial profiling. The > admission came in a 1999 report, one year after two white troopers fired 11 > shots at four unarmed minority men -- wounding three -- during a traffic > stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. > > On April 5, acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco said he believed Verniero > misled senators when he was questioned about racial > profiling during his 1999 confirmation hearings. DiFrancesco said the > justice should resign. > > On the same day Democrats introduced the impeachment measure in the > Assembly, the full Senate approved a resolution saying Verniero should > resign. > > The 16-page resolution, approved 37-1, claims Verniero withheld information > from federal investigators and offered intentionally misleading answers > during his Senate confirmation hearings. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
to continue to deny contradictions amongst the ruling class will continue to hinder the progressive/independent movement. activists must embrace this attack on the republican party and immediate lead the charge to defend New Jersey. A Question of Governing From the Right Senator James M. Jeffords' decision to become an independent is an example of the perils of President Bush's strategy of governing from the right. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/25/politics/25ASSE.html Peoples' War on the Right! Organize to Bury Franks, build the Peoples' Temporary Alliance with McGreasy while promoting and advancing our revolutionary positions. We must continue to organize the mass peoples' defensive of our communities and state while challenging on local levels in city elections. In state/national elections the strategy must be: Attack Imperial Democrats - Waste Imperial Republicans! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
now is the time to move on all local republicans!
who's streets?
curtis where you at?
Jeffords Decision Has Ripple Effect
By NANCY BENAC
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) � The ripples spread far beyond tiny Vermont.
Sen. James Jeffords' decision to abandon the Republican Party,
expected to be announced Thursday in his home state, will create a
shift of congressional power that could affect everything from office space
on Capitol Hill to oil drilling in Alaska's wilderness.
Empty judgeships could remain empty a little longer. Phone
companies could find it harder to loosen federal regulation. President
Bush's appointments, already slowed by the long-in-limbo election, could be
further delayed.
Republicans across the country could find it harder to pump up
enthusiasm.
``This has a terribly demoralizing effect on the Republican grass
roots,'' said GOP consultant Scott Reed. ``They will really scratch their
heads and wonder why this happened.''
Republican Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama had a more rosy theory on the
political repercussions: ``This might galvanize the Republicans. This might
help us in a year and a half.''
Democrats, for their part, cast the turnover as a chance to tug the Bush
administration toward the center � and closer to the American people.
``It will moderate things, obviously, which in my judgment is more where
the American people are,'' said Sen. Herb Kohl, D-Wis. ``We are very much, I
think, a nation somewhere in the center.''
Jeffords told associates he planned to leave the GOP and become an
independent aligned with the Democrats, according to sources familiar with
the conversations.
That would shift control of the Senate from 50-50, with Vice President
Dick Cheney holding the tie-breaking vote for Republicans, to a 51-49
Democratic majority, with dramatic consequences for Bush's ability to push
through his agenda.
``Right now, I guess President Bush will get his two primary objectives,
the tax cut and the education bill, and nothing else,'' said Sen. Robert
Bennett, R-Utah.
The tax bill should reach Bush's desk before Jeffords' switch takes
effect; the education bill could cost more than the president had hoped.
With a Democratic majority, control of every Senate committee would
change hands. Republicans could have to hand over some of the most spacious
offices. Legislative priorities could shift dramatically.
Democrats would have new muscle to force consideration of legislation
raising the minimum wage, creating prescription drug benefits, boosting
school spending and buttressing environmental protection.
``We're not just talking about a singular moment,'' said Sen. Olympia
Snowe, R-Maine ``It's staff, the country, the presidency.''
The turnover, for example, could markedly change the tone of upcoming
energy legislation, with more emphasis on conservation and renewable energy
programs.
Among the first casualties, said Senate Democratic sources, could be the
push by the Bush administration for oil drilling in the Arctic National
Wildlife Refuge, which already was in trouble.
On another front, the shift could put a chill on efforts to ease
regulation of major phone and media companies. South Carolina Sen. Ernest
Hollings, who would take the helm of the Commerce Committee, is seen as more
sympathetic to new companies trying to crack into the local phone business.
Bush could find it more difficult to push through conservative nominees
for some 100 empty federal judgeships around the country, and find it harder
to fill any future vacancies on the Supreme Court.
Asked how conservative nominees would fare before the Judiciary
Committee he is expected to head, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., said, ``I never
predict how they're going to do until they have the hearing � if they have
one.''
Jeffords himself would come out of the turnover as a chairman of the
Environment and Public Works Committee.
Some Republicans found positive aspects to the expected shift.
``On the chessboard, your agenda can be advanced more with a president
and a minority in the Senate,'' said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, pointing to
Bush's chance to use his veto power.
One thing was clear: tiny Vermont, population 608,827 by the latest
Census, will feel the impact.
``Vermont all of the sudden becomes one of the most powerful states in
the union, with two U.S. senators that are committee chairmen,'' said Reed.
``Little Vermont, with three electoral votes, will become the pork capital
of the world.''
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what is the green$/fabworld dodge now? are the imperial dems&reps identical? is organizing class struggle not objectively more difficult under rep regime? can green$ reality win nj governor? as we build the peoples' democratic workers' party, shd we not fence off the most fascist (republican) organization? which side you on green$/fabworld? peoples' war on the right. cliff >From: Richard Strong <rstrong@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, >rugreens@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] reality points more and more 2 differences >Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT) > > >It appears the Democrats are pulling at the bit,thumping their chests, and >making noise again thanks to the latest defection by Sen.James >Jeffords,who has a long record of voting independently proving he is/was >more of an independent(third party) than republican. In fact he states >that he can do a better job for his constituantcy as an independent. This >also shows he made the decision from conscience and disapline rather than >party pressure or dogma. He used his own mind/line rather than someone >elses. Even if I disagree I find that admirable. >Now, let's see what the democrats do. Then we will see if there really is >a differance between them and the GOP.The ball is in their court. Pun >intended. > > >R.D. Strong >Rutgers University >NBCS-Hill Center Operations >e-mail : rstrong@... > > > >On Thu, 24 May 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > > more contradictions between democrats and republicans - in case evreyone > > didn't get a chance to see this article - it is from may 10. > > as far as the message about the progressive united front, it should be > > clearly aimed at defeating the republicans. > > > > GOP (Republicans) blocks Assembly Democrats' move to impeach Verniero > > > > Published online in the "real radical" Home News Tribune 5/10/01 > > > > > > By JOHN P. McALPIN > > THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > > > TRENTON -- Assembly Republicans scuttled an attempt Thursday to force >the > > impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Peter G. Verniero, angering some > > lawmakers who said they had a duty to hear the charges. > > > > Democrats planned a showdown before the Assembly voting session, hoping >to > > use house rules and call for a vote on an impeachment resolution. > > > > Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex, tried for a debate, but the >Republican > > majority denied him by tabling the issue without comment. Democrats then > > took the floor one by one to denounce the move and plead for a vote. > > > > "We can't just bury our heads in the sand," Payne said. "We must act to > > remove Mr. Verniero." > > > > Several lawmakers cited a Senate Judiciary Committee report that said > > Verniero lied and withheld details about racial profiling. > > > > "We cannot in good conscience ignore this record," said Assemblyman >Joseph > > V. Doria, D-Hudson. > > > > Assembly Speaker Jack Collins, R-Salem, allowed the Democrats to speak, > > saying it was clear they were passionate about the issue. > > > > It was Collins who last month refused to consider impeachment, saying > > accusations that Verniero lied about racial profiling while attorney >general > > would be better heard by the courts. > > > > Before the session began about 200 demonstrators crowded the >second-floor > > gallery, demanding that lawmakers appear. Several times the Assembly >clerk > > asked for quiet, only to be answered with cheers, chants and handclaps. > > > > Earlier Thursday, the mother of the man frisked by former Gov. Christie > > Whitman appeared at the Statehouse and demanded action on racial >profiling. > > > > "I'm just here to voice my opinion, to be heard, to lend my voice in the > > crusade against the evil of racial profiling," Debra Rolax said. > > > > Sherron Rolax was the Camden teen pictured in a 1996 photograph that >showed > > a smiling Whitman searching him. After The Associated Press published >the > > photograph last year, Whitman, now head of the Environmental Protection > > Agency, admitted the search was a mistake. > > > > Assemblyman Herbert Conaway, D-Burlington, said Debra Rolax was hoping >her > > appearance would spur action on long-delayed reforms. > > > > "She's here to say it's time to get moving," Conaway said. Debra Rolax > > repeatedly refused to say who invited her or why she chose to speak on > > Thursday. > > > > Last week, Assembly Democrats introduced detailed articles of >impeachment > > against Verniero. > > > > Thirty-five Democrats support an impeachment resolution that charges > > Verniero with lying about racial profiling and withholding information >from > > the U.S. Justice Department. > > > > If six Republicans joined them, Democrats claimed they could force the > > Assembly to vote on impeachment, despite the fact that Collins refused >to > > introduce such a measure. There are 80 members of the General Assembly. > > > > Democrats said they hoped Republican senators, many of whom support > > impeachment already, would push Republican Assembly members to act. But >the > > Democrats got no response to letters sent to Republican Assembly members > > requesting support. > > > > Verniero has steadfastly refused to resign and maintains he testified > > truthfully at all times about racial profiling. > > > > He was the first attorney general to admit to racial profiling. The > > admission came in a 1999 report, one year after two white troopers fired >11 > > shots at four unarmed minority men -- wounding three -- during a traffic > > stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. > > > > On April 5, acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco said he believed Verniero > > misled senators when he was questioned about racial > > profiling during his 1999 confirmation hearings. DiFrancesco said the > > justice should resign. > > > > On the same day Democrats introduced the impeachment measure in the > > Assembly, the full Senate approved a resolution saying Verniero should > > resign. > > > > The 16-page resolution, approved 37-1, claims Verniero withheld >information > > from federal investigators and offered intentionally misleading answers > > during his Senate confirmation hearings. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
MANY ADULTS STRUGGLE TO PERSEVERE IN THE FACE OF DIFFICULTY. MOST ADULTS HOPE TO LEAVE A WORTHWHILE LEGACY. SOME ADULTS SEE NO HOPE FOR THE FUTURE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
can we schedule to complete discussion asap, @ yr convenience? holla. cliff >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: [poprogress] Protest/Rally against Racist >Republicans >Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:38:31 -0400 > > > >Green Nader , even in the face of vile acts of Bushwackers since you all >helped give them election, you all still refuse to make SELF CRITICISM!! > Tax Robbery up to 4 TRILLION, CO2, ARSENIC copouts, Artic Drilling >Right >On, CHINA (Nader's line on China as warped as B2's; UN ouster from Human >Rts >& Drug Commissions, B2's refusal to deliberate on Chemical Weapons, Ouster >of Natl Lawyers from grading of Judges; setting up of Law clerks of Scalia >and Thomas for next Extreme Ct ; What does it take? > And now you want Franks in? What does it take?? AMIRI B > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, "Cliff Smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Cliff Smith bounced and banned >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:15:23 -0400 > >By popular demand Cliff Smith has been removed from the poprogress list. He >has resorted to abusive language against organizations and individuals >because they disagree with him. He has also spammed the list. > >I have known Cliff Smith for eight or nine years. He has repeatedly been >expelled from organizations for gross infractions of rules and conduct. > >He has personally offended several people on the poprogress list, myself >among them. Several have demanded that he be removed. > >Don't tell people that you were removed from poprogress because anyone >could not stand up to your brand of "ideological struggle," Cliff. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--- In poprogress@y..., "David Hungerford" <dbh@i...> wrote: Since you ask, Joe: There is no other organization anywhere that could instruct you better on the questions that you raise than POP. Friends in POP have given you the benefit of their experience and thought. Money could not buy what they have offered you. And how have you received it? You have spurned everything said to you. I do not think you have shown any real grasp of the distinction between bourgeois reformism, the line you espouse, and working class ideas. I am reluctant to go much further with you until you show some willingness to listen to what somebody - and there have been a lot of people - says to you. I don't know what's wrong with Cliff. I feel bad for him. Communists say the struggle comes first, the self comes second. Some people want to be Communists but get it in the wrong order. That isn't good. On the other hand, Cliff says the self comes nowhere. That is even worse, as his example proves. Maybe some day he will come to terms with himself. I hope so. I don't know what else to say. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> To: <poprogress@y...> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [poprogress] Cliff Smith bounced and banned > now then, what about the arguement at hand, hungerford/green'ers? > > joe > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@i...> > >Reply-To: poprogress@y... > >To: <poprogress@y...>, "Cliff Smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >Subject: [poprogress] Cliff Smith bounced and banned > >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:15:23 -0400 > > > >By popular demand Cliff Smith has been removed from the poprogress list. He > >has resorted to abusive language against organizations and individuals > >because they disagree with him. He has also spammed the list. > > > >I have known Cliff Smith for eight or nine years. He has repeatedly been > >expelled from organizations for gross infractions of rules and conduct. > > > >He has personally offended several people on the poprogress list, myself > >among them. Several have demanded that he be removed. > > > >Don't tell people that you were removed from poprogress because anyone > >could not stand up to your brand of "ideological struggle," Cliff. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > --- End forwarded message ---
--- In coalitionforjustice@y..., can_bush@h... wrote:
#1--from starledger 24may, p27:
"Saying it is time to heal the wounds of racial profiling, acting
Gov.
Donald DiFransesco yesterday announced plans for a statewide
anti-profiling summit and creation of an Instituteon Policing at
Rutgers University to help "repair the rift" between law enforcement
and minorities.
"Plans call for the summit to be held in September, possibly in
Atlantic City, according to Attorney General John FarmerJr., whose
office will organize the event. It will involve police, civil rights
activists and community leaders...
"The Rev. Reginald Jackson, executive director of the Black Ministers
Council of New Jersey...add(ed)it was the ministers group that
proposed the idea of the summit to Farmer last month(!)."
#2--from my summary of the cfj platform committee meeting, 15apr, nb
(posted on cfj site & submitted at cfj general meetings 21apr, and
5may, trenton):
"8. that after the march we must meet immediately to
assess our successes & failures, criticize our errors, and learn
lessons to build on. we should seek to unite our forces with all
progressive forces in nj toward building a broad, democratic,
peoples'
united front to fight all social problems toward building a peoples'
democratic workers' party.
And finally, that we should plan to hold a
conference/summit in the fall, before the election, to develop and
advance our organization.
we welcome all criticisms, suggestions, concerns,
&tc. toward this.
defeat racist/sexist profiling & police abuse!
cliff smith
platform committee
732.214.8828
cliffsmith69@h..."
see you friday in trenton.
--- End forwarded message ---
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in response to hungerford (below)- i have spurned nothing but the positions that deny the conditions we live in. the contradictions amongst the ruling class seem to be understood by the common folk better than they are understood by you "genuine intellectuals". jeffords is more progressive than the greens and hungerford. they would argue that he might as well stay republican because there is no difference if the democrats lead the positions. reality will POP that little bubble many of you climbed into when you began denying contradictions between democrats and republicans. the people are not as foolish as yourselves, that is why gore won the popular vote, but such a fool's error by the greens in NJ governor's race could have the republican receive the majority vote. you are not progressive in any way by putting republicans into office. no revolutionary will be backing greens, just fools that deny reality. communists will be voting greasy, with the people, in order to bury franks. greens know they can't win, they openly admit it - led by jfort that "we have no illusion that we can win". post 1674 - i think - paragraph 2 sentence 1 joe >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [poprogress] Cliff Smith bounced and banned >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 19:21:52 -0400 > > >Since you ask, Joe: There is no other organization anywhere that could instruct you better on the questions that you raise than POP. Friends in POP have given you the benefit of their experience and thought. Money could not buy what they have offered you. And how have you received it? You have spurned everything said to you. I do not think you have shown any real grasp of the distinction between bourgeois reformism, the line you espouse, and working class ideas. I am reluctant to go much further with you until you show some willingness to listen to what somebody - and there have been a lot of people - says to you. I don't know what's wrong with Cliff. I feel bad for him. Communists say the struggle comes first, the self comes second. Some people want to be Communists but get it in the wrong order. That isn't good. On the other hand, Cliff says the self comes nowhere. That is even worse, as his example proves. Maybe some day he will come to terms with himself. I hope so. I don't know what else to say. Dave > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:42 PM > >Subject: Re: [poprogress] Cliff Smith bounced and banned > > > > > > > now then, what about the arguement at hand, hungerford/green'ers? > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > > >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, "Cliff Smith" > ><cliffsmith69@...> > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Cliff Smith bounced and banned > > > >Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:15:23 -0400 > > > > > > > >By popular demand Cliff Smith has been removed from the poprogress > >list. > >He > > > >has resorted to abusive language against organizations and >individuals > > > >because they disagree with him. He has also spammed the list. > > > > > > > >I have known Cliff Smith for eight or nine years. He has repeatedly > >been > > > >expelled from organizations for gross infractions of rules and >conduct. > > > > > > > >He has personally offended several people on the poprogress list, > >myself > > > >among them. Several have demanded that he be removed. > > > > > > > >Don't tell people that you were removed from poprogress because >anyone > > > >could not stand up to your brand of "ideological struggle," Cliff. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [poprogress] You're gone, Joe >Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 22:01:06 -0400 > >This is a clever tactic you have taken, Joe. You say things personally >offensive to me to try to hide the facts that: > >1. you violate simple rules that have been stated clearly to you; > >2. you have taken one of the worst political ass-kickings ever seen in your >opportunist attempt to deliver progressive people to the Democrats. > >But forget all that. You relayed a message from Cliff after he had been >thrown off this list for doing things that no one could defend or excuse. >You have turned into a saboteur. > >If you think you have been wronged, see if you can get someone to invite >you to a POP meeting to state your case. I won't ask you myself because I >don't want to get everyone mad at me. > >Joe Smith is hereby removed from the list. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... they did it by joining republicans?? /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Looking for better IT solutions? Toshiba is uniting digital, mobile and network innovations in a bold new vision of Information Technology for today and tomorrow. Take a closer look at life in the new Digital Age. And imagine how good IT can be. Visit Toshiba.com for more details. http://www.nytimes.com/ads/toshiba/index.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ Communists Win Cyprus Elections By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 11:57 a.m. ET NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) -- For the first time since the end of British rule, a Cyprus communist party on Monday won parliamentary elections in the Greek Cypriot portion of the Mediterranean island. Official results gave the party, called AKEL, 34.7 percent of the vote compared to 34.1 percent received by the Democratic Rally, President Glafcos Clerides' party. It was the communists' first victory in parliamentary elections since British colonial rule ended in 1960. In previous elections, AKEL, the Greek acronym for the Reformist Party of the Working People, had been averaging a third of the vote. AKEL's slight edge was expected to give it one more than the 19 seats it had in the previous parliament, while the Rally would lose one of its 20 seats. The chamber has 56 seats. The centrist Democratic Union party polled 14.8 percent of the vote, winning nine seats, followed by the socialist KISOS-EDEK with 6.5 percent and four seats. Four smaller parties won one seat each. Despite ideological differences, both major parties support the entry of Cyprus into the European Union. The new parliament will have the task of approving the necessary legislation to make membership possible by 2003. In Greece, Foreign Ministry spokesman Panos Beglitis said the new parliament will speed up Cyprus' integration into the EU. The communist party's gains will have little effect on the remaining two years of Clerides' second and final five-year term. Cyprus' government is run by a directly elected president. The parliament reviews the government's policies, but generally is too fragmented to block the president's agenda and impose its own. ``We congratulate AKEL for its narrow victory,'' Nicos Anastasiades, the Rally's president, conceded soon after midnight with just over half the votes counted. The election was restricted to the southern Greek Cypriot-controlled part of the island. The north has been under Turkish occupation since 1974. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Cyprus-Election.html?ex=992082987&ei=1&en=dba25d2cf93d1a22 /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
attached are some photos of the may 16th rally at the trenton statehouse. next meeting for the coalition for justice is june 1 - this friday at 6:00pm in trenton. every organization should provide a delegation to the meeting, rides can be arranged easy enough. racist republicans you can't hide, we charge you with genocide! joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tracy Ford! So that there is no mistake this message is coming from Curtis L. Warren. I really am tired of people putting down my pastor. If you want to call him a skunk and be a man about it, I'll arrange for you to come to his office and you can express your feelings there. Now if the outcome is that you get beat to the ground, besides being intellectually being embarrassed, oh well! For someone who is supposed to be a man of God, you speak more as a man of the world! Watch your face and your back! This is Curtis L.
JOE AND CLIFF SMITH CALL YOUR PASTOR A SKUNK. I DEFEND HIM AND NEVER SPEAK ILL OF A PASTOR, ESPECIALLY A REPUBLICAN ONE. YOU THREAT ME WITH BODILY HARM AND SUPPOSE A CHILD OF GOD. GOD WILL FIGHT MY BATTLE FOR ME TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
CURTIS L. WARREN!!! THE LIGHT WHICH GOD GIVES US. THE LIGHT OF TRUTH, WHERE IT MAY LEAD. THE LIGHT OF FREEDOM, REVEALING NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT AND SOCIAL SERVICE. THE LIGHT OF FAITH, OPENING NEW VISIONS OF THE BETTER WORLD TO BE. THE LIGHT OF LOVE, DAILY BINDING BROTHER TO BROTHER AND MAN TO GOD IN EVER CLOSER BONDS OF FRIENDSHIP AFFECTION. GUIDED BY THIS LIGHT OF GOD. WE SHALL GO FORWARD TO THE WORK OF GOD WITH STEADFASTNESS AND CONFIDENCE. TRACY FORD
Greetings from Anna... A creative way to celebrate summer solstice... Pass it on! YOUR OWN BLACK OUT THE FIRST DAY OF SUMMER JUNE 21, 2001 THURS EVE, 7-10 pm worldwide, all time zones As an alternative to George W. Bush's energy policies and lack of emphasis on efficiency, conservation and alternative fuels, there will be a voluntary rolling blackout on the first day of summer, June 21 at 7pm - 10pm in any time zone (this will roll it across the planet). Its a simple protest and a symbolic act. Turn out your lights from 7 pm-10pm on June 21. Unplug whatever you can unplug in your house. Light a candle to the Sungoddess, kiss and tell or not, take a stroll in the dark, invent ghost stories, anything that's not electronic - have fun in the dark. Read the 1999 book "Natural Capitalism" by Hawken and Lovins to learn that conservation/high efficiency technologies already ARE on-the-shelf. If implemented these revolutionary ideas would pay themselves off within five years, after which we'd be pumping far less greenhouse gas into the atmosphere and saving bucks to boot. Forward this email as widely as possible, to your government representatives and environmental contacts. Let them know we want global education, participation and funding in conservation, efficiency and alternative fuel efforts-and an end to over-exploitation and misuse of the earth's resources. Anyone knows that the Cheney-Bush team is blowing smoke when they tell us that "... conservation can't help, it'll just be too expensive to implement those technologies..." While on the other hand, technology to develop and deploy weapons to blow incoming ICBMs out of the sky are easy to come by. Rosalind Renfrew, PhD dissertator Department of Wildlife Ecology University of Wisconsin - Madison 1630 Linden Drive Madison, WI 53706 608-263-7595
I CHARGE BOL/SWORD WITH BEING GOOD FASCISTS [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
shut up curtis. soaries is an agent of white supremacy being led by the republican party. the whole city knows he's a sellout skunk- how bout now njfo/nbpc? can we criticize curtis, or do you all still claim "working class leader"? joe >From: citruswar@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] 2bright and skunk soaries next!!!! >Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:36:49 EDT > >Tracy Ford! > >So that there is no mistake this message is coming from Curtis L. Warren. >I really am tired of people putting down my pastor. If you want to call >him a skunk and be a man about it, I'll arrange for you to come to his >office and you can express your feelings there. Now if the outcome is that >you get beat to the ground, besides being intellectually being embarrassed, >oh well! For someone who is supposed to be a man of God, you speak more as >a man of the world! Watch your face and your back! > >This is Curtis L. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: Amirib@... >To: can_bush@... >Subject: Re: You're gone, Joe >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:44:10 EDT > >HUNGERFORD > > YOU "DELIVER THEM TO THE NATIONAL CHAUVINIST PETTY BOURGEOISIE FOR >THE REPUBLICANS AND MUCH FURTHER RIGHT.' , AND APPARENTLY WILL NOT EVEN >STRUGGLE ABOUT IT.! BY THE WAY, FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER LAZY ARROGANT CHAUVINIST SOI DISANT "INTELLECTUAL" "TAO TZU" IS THE NAME OF THE ANCIENT CHINESE " BOOK OF CHANGES", FROM WHICH FORTUNES WERE TOLD BY THROWING YARROW STICKS OR COINS. WHEN i SD THE MARKET IS MOVING FROM DOW JONES TO TAO TZU, IT WAS, LIKE THEY SAY , A PUN. . I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOME GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF SHAKESPEAREAN USE OF LANGUAGE. ALAS! AND YOU AN AMERICAN. I GUESS THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE DISDAINED TO LEARN ABOUT ASIAN CULTURE. YOU SHD SPEND MORE TIME WITH MLM THAN FEUDALIST FANTASIES ABOUT THE ENGLISH "SWASHBUCKLERS" RULE OF THE SEVEN SEAS.. YOU KNOW THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO FLEW THE SKULL AND CROSSBONES AND CALLED THEMSELVES "PRIVATEERS"! OR DOES IT MATTER? AMIRI B _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
LOL! We're down to the 7th grade level ... from... The 8th or 9th grade, at most, I suppose. > shut up curtis. soaries is an agent of white supremacy being led by the > republican party. the whole city knows he's a sellout skunk- > > how bout now njfo/nbpc? can we criticize curtis, or do you all still claim > "working class leader"? > > joe > > > >From: citruswar@... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] 2bright and skunk soaries next!!!! > >Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:36:49 EDT > > > >Tracy Ford! > > > >So that there is no mistake this message is coming from Curtis L. Warren. > >I really am tired of people putting down my pastor. If you want to call > >him a skunk and be a man about it, I'll arrange for you to come to his > >office and you can express your feelings there. Now if the outcome is that > >you get beat to the ground, besides being intellectually being embarrassed, > >oh well! For someone who is supposed to be a man of God, you speak more as > >a man of the world! Watch your face and your back! > > > >This is Curtis L. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
Invitation for dinner discussion to NBPC and all progressives- In an effort to develop united strategies for city, county, and statewide efforts to promote peoples' democracy the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy is organizing a dinner discussion for this Sunday 4:00pm at 211 Redomond Street. Topics include, but are not limited to: - McGreasy's campaign for governor: SWORD has been working to develop a Middlesex County Voter Registration Coalition. The need to bury Franks is our objective and the people must be organized to this call. We must work to force Greasy to publicly embrace revolutionary efforts. - NB City Councilman Egan and his anti-women anti-working class positions. SWORD has been in contact with people throughout the county and developed on the need for an oppisition to Egan. - Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality is actively organizing revolutionary analysis to these conditions Statewide. The Committee is continuing to actively organize with the Coalition for Justice in order to develop the current NJ united front. Next coalition meeting is Friday at 6:00pm in Trenton - njfo should send a delegation to this meeting to unite and advance the revolutionary aspects of this coalition. - 2002 NB elections: Mayor, 2 City Council seats, School Board question. SWORD has initiated discussion with prospects for City Council and will be working on embracing candidates that will ebrace/promote open revolutionary analysis to the conditions affecting us in NB. - July 1 is the 10 year anniversery of the murder of Shaun Potts by NBPD officer Zane Gray. SWORD will be organizing a July 4 event to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality which will encompass countering the klan rally in Morristown while commemorating Potts. SWORD will be active throughout the community to promote this event which will include a rally in Feaster Park with at least one Confederate Flag burning. i will be cooking, along with others, but any dishes are welcome. any questions call 729-0390 or e-mail can_bush@... -joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, <poprogress@egroups.com> >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] New Jersey and the Nazis >Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 01:07:14 -0400 > >New Jersey and the Nazis From www.afrocubaweb.com/assata4.htm. Also clik >on the hyperlinks within the article for more detail on related stuff re >Black Holocaust in Germany and Assata Shakur bio since 1973. Thanks to Bro. >Strong for this. If we grow up we should be more like him. > > > > > >New Jersey and the Nazis >by Hans Wolff, August, 1998 > >There have been persistent reports of a Nazi subculture in the New Jersey >State Police, which has long had a reputation for violence and racism. >Recently, the State Police was the subject of a review article in the New >York Times, which cited years of allegations and a landmark court ruling >concerning their racist bias in stopping Black and Latino motorists.[1] > >When the Black Liberation Army leader Assata Shakur was captured and shot >in the back with her hands up by New Jersey troopers in 1973, she was under >their guard for several days, as she writes in Assata: an Autobiography >[2]: > > "When they changed shift, the two troopers would salute the sergeant. >Some saluted an army salute, but others saluted like the Nazis did in >Germany. They held their hands in front of them and clicked their heels. I >couldn't believe it. One day one of them came in and gave me a speech about >how he fought in World War II on the wrong side. He went on and on and >there was no question that he believed everything he said.... Every day he >gave me a speech about nazism. Sometimes other nazis would join in. I asked >him if there were a lot of nazis in the state troopers, but he just laughed >and kept on talking. > > ... I later learned that the state troopers in new jersey was started by >a German, that their uniforms were patterned after some type of German >uniform (very similar to the uniforms South African police wear), that they >are notorious for stopping Black, Hispanic, and long-haired people on the >turnpike and beating, harassing, and arresting them. > > The nazis headed the harassment campaign against me. They spit in my >food and turned down the thermostat in the room until it was freezing. For >a while their campaign centered on keeping me from sleeping. They stamped >their feet on the floor, sang songs all night, played with their guns, >shouted, etc."[2] > >What lies behind this grotesque experience whose details, including the >songs, reveal a certain authenticity? Let's take a look. > > >Norman Schwarzkopf, Senior > >The New Jersey State Police was founded in 1921 by Colonel Norman >Schwarzkopf, Sr., who served in both world wars and was father to General >Norman Schwarzkopf of Gulf War fame. While General Shalikashvili, the >outgoing US Chief of Staff, is proud of his Wafen SS father, the >Schwarzkopfs emmigrated to the US long before the rise of Nazism, are not >known to have voiced Nazi leanings, and were a respected part of the >substantial German-American community in New Jersey. > >However, an important segment of the New Jersey Germans were pro-Nazi >before the war and also gave safe haven to Nazis after the war. As we will >see, these Nazis also included many Eastern Europeans and Russians, >including the elite and largely White Russian SS VorKommando Moskau, which >organized the killings of Jews and Slavs in Nazi occupied Eastern Europe >and Russia. Many members of the VorKommando Moskau were resettled in New >Jersey by the US Government, shepherded by such stellar figures as Richard >Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover, who considered these people to be stalwart >anti-communist warriors and outstanding Republican vote getters. [3] > >Back to Schwarzkopf: he was the founder and the first superintendent of the >N.J. State Police, and played a key role in the Lindbergh kidnapping >investigation and the Hauptmann trial. A West Point graduate and WWI >veteran, he organized the State Police right after WWI. He returned to >military service in WWII, rising to the rank of Brigadier General. Later he >served abroad and organized the police force of Iran, then an ally of the >U.S. There his son, Norman Jr., formed his first impressions of the Middle >East. > >The police Schwarzkopf Sr. organized in Iran was the dreaded SAVAK, the >Shah's brutal secret police who tortured and murdered with a free hand. A >recent book, "Lifting the Veil: Life in Revolutionary Iran" by John Simpson >& Tira Shubart [4], describes Schwarzkopf"s role in Iran: > > 'I owe my throne to God, my people, my army --and to you!' The Shah was >speaking to Kermit Roosevelt, the Central Intelligence Agency >representative in Tehran. ... he certainly owed his throne to the success >of Operation AJAX on 19 August 1953. > > Faced with a powerful constitutional threat from his prime minister and >political enemy, Dr Mohammed Mossadeq, the Shah briefly lost his nerve and >fled the country when the soldiers sent to arrest his prime minister were >overpowered and captured. > >Kermit Roosevelt's book (Countercoup: The Struggle for the Control of Iran, >reissued in 1979 [5]), together with recently declassified documents, have >revealed further details about the coup. Using money that had been brought >into Iran a few months earlier by General Norman Schwarzkopf, Senior, the >father of the American commander in the Gulf War, Roosevelt set about >buying the support he needed. Bribing the key officers in the police and >army, and organizing partisan crowds from the bazaar with the help of >British intelligence agents, he instructed them to attack mosques and pull >down statues of the Shah while shouting slogans in support of Mossadeq. > > Two weeks later, Roosevelt used the same crowd of soldiers and bazaaris >to demonstrate their revulsion against such 'communist' action. Obediently, >they demanded Mossadeq's overthrow and chanted slogans in favour of the >Shah. Meanwhile the Imperial guards attacked the prime minister's house, >killing around three hundred of his supporters. > > General Zahedi, who had been chosen by the Americans and the British to >take over from Mossadeq as prime minister, waited in the safety of the >American Embassy until the fighting ended. Then he made a suitably >triumphant appearance on a Sherman tank. The Shah, his courage and his >throne restored, flew back to Tehran to crowds of thousands of cheering >demonstrators. It was one of the most cost-efficient operations the United >States ever conducted in Iran: a mere $100,000 was needed to bribe the >crowd and the security forces, and the remainder of the million dollars >which General Schwarzkopf had brought into the country was not required." >[4] > >First Shwarzkopf Sr. acted as bag man to help overthrow the elected >government, then he trained the re-installed despots' secret police, the >SAVAK. His memory is revered among New Jersey state troopers and his son >continues to come celebrate anniversaries of the organization's founding. > > >The German community in New Jersey > >The Schwarzkopfs, whose name literally means "black head" in German, were >part of a German community that was already thriving in 1920s New Jersey >and continues to do so today. There are no fewer than 33 German cultural >clubs listed in New Jersey in Cynthia's Zorn's comprehensive web site: >http://mars.superlink.net/czorn. Some of the clubs go back to the 20's. > >In the years prior to World War II, when Nazism was on the rise, the New >York - New Jersey area had a strong pro-Nazi organization called the German >American Bund. They had a camp in northern New Jersey which was the scene >of some large rallies: > > "In 1937, the German-American Bund Auxiliary purchased approximately 200 >acres and several buildings near Lake Iliff in Andover Township. On July >18, 1937, Camp Nordland opened with a parade of 500 "bundists" and a beer >blast consisting of kegs of predominately German beer. The camp received >the immediate attention and opposition of local farmers, the Anti-Nazi >League, and local law enforcement. > > One of several metropolitan area facilities, the Camp's purpose was to >cultivate the political loyalty of German-Americans in light of the ongoing >events in Germany and in the rest of Europe in the days leading to World >War II. An estimated 1000 German-American residents from New York City and >surrounding areas arrived at Nordland every weekend to participate in >political rallies, speeches, and German fun. > > One particularly noteworthy event held at Camp Nordland was an >"Americanism" rally, allegedly conducted in conjunction with the Ku Klux >Klan, that attracted an estimated crowd of 50,000 persons. Although the KKK >publicly stressed their opposition to movements of an alien origin, they >could not resist the temptation of sharing in the purse of this well >attended event." [6] > >This New Jersey propensity towards supporting the Nazi cause continues >today. We have the recent case of Hans Schmidt who was arrested by the >German police for Nazi propaganda. The Hans Schmidt Defense Committee is >listed in Green Brook, New Jersey. [7] New Jersey continues to harbor both >Nazi and Klan meetings while in New Jersey jails, the Aryan Brotherhood and >the Aryan Sisterhood have the run of various facilities. If a prisonner is >a problem, prison authorities can easily shunt him or her to cell blocks >controlled by these organizations and appropriate measures will be taken... > > >Standard Oil of New Jersey: Exxon�s role in the rise of Nazism > >Standard Oil of New Jersey, which later renamed itself Esso, then Exxon, >was a major player in the foreign support of Nazi Germany from the 30's all >the way into 1942. [8] > >At the eve of World War II, the major stockholder in Standard Oil after the >Rockerfellers was I.G. Farben, the German chemical combine, a major >financial backer of Hitler and heavily involved in using slave labor from >the concentration camps. This investment was part of a pattern of >reciprocal investments between the US and Germany during the Nazi years, in >the midst of the Great Depression. Germany was viewed as a hot investment >area. > >One area of support Standard Oil provided was in tetraethyl lead, which was >used in aviation gasoline. The Nazi air force "couldn't fly without it. >"Only Standard, Du Pont, and General Motors had rights to it." Walter C. >Teagle, president of Standard Oil of New Jersey (the largest petroleum >corporation in the world in 1941), "helped to organize a sale of the >precious substance" in 1938, 500 tons, from Ethyl, a British Standard >subsidiary, to Hermann Schmitz of I.G. Farben, a large German chemical firm >and major financial backer of Hitler. Then in 1939, "Schmitz and his >partners returned to London and obtained $15 million worth." [9] > >After the war started in Europe and the British were angry about U.S. >shipments to Nazi Germany, Standard Oil "changed the registration of the >entire fleet to Panamanian to avoid British seizure or search. His vessels >carried oil to Tenerife in the Canary Islands, where they refueled and >siphoned oil to German tankers for shipment to Hamburg." [10] > >On March 31, 1941, "the State Department stepped into the picture with a >detailed report on refueling stations in Mexico and Central and South >America that were suspected of furnishing oil to Italian or German merchant >vessels now in port. Among those fueling enemy ships were Standard Oil of >New Jersey and California. There is no record of any action being taken on >this matter." [11] > >We need more information on Standard Oil's role in New Jersey and how that >developed over time. An international company, New Jersey was their back >yard and Standard Oil execs could well have been among the good Republicans >who were involved in bringing the Nazis in after World War II. In fact, >Nelson Rockefeller was heavily involved in getting Nazis to freedom and >covering up their escape after World War II. [12] > >Standard Oil New Jersey participated in many quite complex schemes to aid >and abet the enemy during World War II, of which we can only offer a >limited glimpse here. > > >The Republicans bring the Nazis to the US > >Allen Dulles was attorney for Standard Oil and IG Farben as well as for a >number of Americans investing in the Nazis. Dulles had as protege one >Richard Nixon... The plot gets very complex here and the best thing is to >read some of the books that have painstakingly documented this in great >detail after much research with primary material obtained by the Freedom of >Information Act and many interviews. > >A sample of this kind of history is recounted by John Loftus and Mark Aaron >in their book, The Secret War Against the Jews: "According to several of >our sources among the 'old spies,' Richard Nixon's political career began >in 1945, when he was the navy officer temporarily assigned to review . . . >captured Nazi documents." The documents revealed the wartime record of Karl >Blessing, "former Reichsbank officer and then head of the Nazi oil cartel, >Kontinentale Ol A.G. 'Konti' was in partnership with [Allen] Dulles's >principal Nazi client, I.G. Farben. Both companies had despicable records >regarding their treatment of Jews during the Holocaust. After the war >Dulles not only 'lost' Blessings' Nazi party records, but he helped peddle >a false biography in the ever-gullible 'New York Times.'" > >Not only did Dulles help cover up his Nazi client's record, he "personally >vouched for Blessing as an anti-Nazi in order to protect continued control >of German oil interests in the Middle East. Blessing's Konti was the Nazi >link to Ibn Saud [King of Saudi Arabia] and Aramco [the Arabian- American >Oil Company]. If Blessing went down, he could have taken a lot of people >with him, including Allen Dulles. The cover-up worked, except that U.S. >Naval Intelligence scrutinized a set of the captured Konti records." > >Dulles made a deal with the navy officer who was reviewing the Konti files >- Richard Nixon. For Nixon's help in burying the Konti files, Dulles >"arranged to finance [Nixon's] first congressional campaign against Jerry >Voorhis." [13] > >Dulles's support for Nixon was rewarded in 1947 when, as the freshman >congressman from California, he "saved John Foster Dulles considerable >embarrassment by privately pointing out that confidential government files >showed that one of Foster's foundation employees, Alger Hiss, was allegedly >a Communist. The Dulles brothers took Nixon under their wing and escorted >him on a tour of Fascist 'freedom fighter' operations in Germany, >apparently in anticipation that the young congressman would be useful after >Dewey became president." [14] > >After Truman's victory, "Nixon became Allen Dulles's mouthpiece in >Congress. Both he and Senator Joseph McCarthy received volumes of >classified information to support the charge that the Truman administration >was filled with 'pinkos.' When McCarthy went too far in his Communist >investigations, it was Nixon who worked with his next-door neighbor, CIA >director Bedell Smith, to steer the investigations away from the >intelligence community. > > "The CIA was grateful for Nixon's assistance, but did not know the >reason for it. Dulles had been recruiting Nazis under the cover of the >State Department's Office of Policy Coordination, whose chief, Frank >Wisner, had systematically recruited the Eastern European emigre networks >that had worked first for the SS, then the British, and finally Dulles. > > "The CIA did not know it, but Dulles was bringing them to the United >States less for intelligence purposes than for political advantage. The >Nazis' job quickly became to get out the vote for the Republicans. One >Israeli intelligence officer joked that when Dulles used the phrase 'Never >Again,' he was not talking about the Holocaust but about Dewey's narrow >loss to Truman. In the eyes of the Israelis, Allen Dulles was the demon who >infected Western intelligence with Nazi recruits. > > "In preparation for the 1952 Eisenhower-Nixon campaign, the Republicans >formed an Ethnic Division, which, to put it bluntly, recruited the >'displaced Fascists' who arrived in the United States after World War II. >Like similar migrant organizations in several Western countries, the Ethnic >Division attracted a significant number of Central and Eastern European >Nazis, who had been recruited by the SS as political and police leaders >during the Holocaust. These Fascist emigres supported the Eisenhower-Nixon >'liberation' policy as the quickest means of getting back into power in >their former homelands and made a significant contribution 'in its first >operation (1951/1952).'" > >Nazi hunters Loftus and Aarons point out that "over the years the Democrats >had acquired one or two Nazis of their own, such as Tscherim Soobzokov, a >former member of the Caucasian SS who worked as a party boss in New Jersey. >But in 90 percent of the cases, the members of Hitler's political >organization went to the Republicans. In fact, from the very beginning, the >word had been put around among Eastern European Nazis that Dulles and Nixon >were the men to see, especially if you were a rich Fascist . . ." [15] > >Nixon and Dulles "blamed Governor Dewey's razor-thin loss to Truman in the >1948 presidential election on the Jewish vote. When he became Eisenhower's >vice president in 1952, Nixon was determined to build his own ethnic base." >A base covering many nationalities who could help the Republicans win >votes, such as the Croatians and the Russians. > > "The foreign language-speaking Croatian and other Fascist emigre groups >had a ready-made network for contacting and mobilizing the Eastern European >ethnic bloc. There is a very high correlation between CIA domestic >subsidies to Fascist 'freedom fighters' during the 1950s and the leadership >of the Republican party's ethnic campaign groups. The motive for >under-the-table financing was clear: Nixon used Nazis to offset the Jewish >vote for the Democrats. > > "In 1952 Nixon had formed an Ethnic Division within the Republican >National Committee. 'Displaced Fascists, hoping to be returned to power by >an Eisenhower-Nixon "liberation" policy signed on' with the committee. In >1953, when Republicans were in office, the immigration laws were changed to >admit Nazis, even members of the SS. They flooded into the country. Nixon >himself oversaw the new immigration program. As vice president, he even >received Eastern European Fascists in the White House. After a long, long >journey, the Croatian Nazis had found a new home in the United States, >where they reestablished their networks. > > "In 1968 Nixon promised that if he won the presidential election, he >would create a permanent ethnic council within the Republican party. >Previously the Ethnic Division was allowed to surface only during >presidential campaigns. Nixon's promise was carried out after the 1972 >election, during [George] Bush's tenure as chairman of the Republican >National Committee. The Croatian Ustashis became an integral part of the >campaign structure of Republican politics, along with several other Fascist >organizations." [16] > >Nixon was strongly pro-Nazi: "Nixon himself personally recruited ex-Nazis >for his 1968 presidential campaign. Moreover, Vice President Nixon became >the point man for the Eisenhower administration on covert operations and >personally supervised Allen Dulles's projects while Ike was ill in 1956 and >1957." [17] > >The Republicans' attraction to Nazism was also observed by Robert J. Groden >and Harrison Edward Livingstone, authors of the book, "High Treason," >dealing with the Kennedy Assassination. Groden and Livingstone write: >"Nixon surrounded himself with what was known as the Berlin Wall, a long >succession of advisors with Germanic names: We recall at the top of his >'German General Staff' as it was also known, Haldeman, Erlichman, Krogh, >Kliendienst, Kissinger (the Rockefellers' emissary) and many others. > > "The selection of German names was no accident. Many of the brighter >staff people close to Nixon came to him from the University of Southern >California, and the University of California at Los Angeles, where there >were fraternities that kept alive the vision of a new Reich. America has >for a long time harbored this dark side of its character, one of violence >and the Valhalla of Wagner and Hitler. > > "But Gordon Liddy was the one in whose mind 'Triumph of the Will' was >the most alive. Some of these men would watch the great Nazi propaganda >films in the basement of the White House until all hours of the night, and >drink, in fact, get drunk with their power, with blind ambition, as one of >them wrote." [18] > > "According to several of our sources in the intelligence community who >were in a position to know," continue Loftus and Aarons, "the secret >rosters of the Republican party's Nationalities Council read like a Who's >Who of Fascist fugitives. The Republican's Nazi connection is the darkest >secret of the Republican leadership. The rosters will never be disclosed to >the public...the Fascist connection is too widespread for damage control. > > According to a 1988 study by Russ Bellant of Political Research >Associates in Cambridge, Massachusetts, virtually all of the Fascist >organizations of World War II opened up a Republican party front group >during the Nixon administration. The level of the Republican ethnic leaders >can be gauged by a New Jersey man, Emanuel Jasiuk, a notorious mass >murderer from what is today called the independent nation of Belarus, >formerly part of the Soviet Union. But not all American ethnic communities >are represented in the GOP's Ethnic Heritage Council section; there are no >black or Jewish heritage groups. . . .Bellant has written a comprehensive >study of this phenomenon, well worth a look. [19] > >Even before the break-in at the Democratic Party Headquarters on June 17, >1972, the Republicans were on the brink of having their pro-Nazi activities >over the past four decades come out in the mass-media. After the Watergate >break-in, as the Congressional Hearings began to reveal the slush-funds, >money-laundering, illegal corporate campaign contributions, the political >sabotage of the 1972 Presidential election process, and many other aspects >of Nixonism, the floodgates of truth were about to open. Only one thing >averted: Nixon's resignation and his pardon by his successor Gerald Ford. > > >South River, New Jersey: VorKommando Moskau�s new home > >One of the most brutal groups ever to settle in New Jersey since the >English killed the Indians was the VorKommando Moskau, originally formed by >the SS as they advanced into Eastern Europe and recruited White Russians >fleeing their homeland. "VorKommando Moskau was an elite forward unit of SS >intelligence on the Soviet front. Its primary mission was anti-Communist >intelligence, but it was also responsible for security screening of the >occupied populations in the broad sector of the Eastern Front... >VorKommando Moskau did not kill the Jews. [Or the Slavs, who were also >slaughtered in large numbers.] It hired the collaborators, who recruited >the executioners, who killed the Jews. From 1940 to 1942 this one small >unit acted as an employment agency for the architects of the Nazi genocide >in Eastern Europe." They primarily hired Eastern Europeans. [20] > >During his tenure as Nazi hunter in the Justice Department, John Loftus >discovered how the White Russians in the VorKommando Moskau were heavily >recruited by the US government to fight the Soviets and how all >documentation of their Nazi past was well hidden from prying eyes. "Many of >the White Russian Nazis had been resettled en masse in the town of South >River, New Jersey." [21] Allen Dulles and Bill Casey, who was later >Reagan�s CIA director, resettled most of the Vorkommando Moskau�s elite >leadership group in the New York - New Jersey area. [22] In April, 1998 it >was discovered that Casey sought for and received a dispensation from the >Justice Department so that CIA officers would not have to reveal drug >trafficking on the part of their contract workers and this 6 months before >large scale trafficking began in support of the Nicaraguan Contras. Casey >was an old pro at sanitizing the unmentionable. > >In 1950, the FBI "recruited every White Russian Nazi it could find in the >New York - New Jersey area." When in the 60�s a New York reporter, Charles >Allen, began his accusations that Nazis were living in the US, the FBI >investigated him and labeled him a Russian pawn. [23] It would be >interesting to find out about the role of these Nazis in Hoover�s >COINTELPRO operations against the Black Panthers and others. > >Given the massive settlement of Nazis in New Jersey, it would not at all be >surprising if some number of them found their way into the State Police. >After all, police work was what they were professionally suited for, what >they had done for years prior to coming to the US. We can also expect the >Nazis to have found jobs as corrections officers in a prison system which >has shown itself remarkably tolerant of the Aryan Brotherhood and >Sisterhood. > > >The New Jersey State Police�s war on Blacks and Latinos > >In an article appearing in the New York Times on Sunday, May 10, 1998 >entitled "Van Shooting Revives Charges of Racial 'Profiling' by N.J. State >Police," journalist John Kifner talks about how "The furor over an incident >in which two New Jersey State Police officers fired 11 shots into a van >during a traffic stop comes against a backdrop of years of allegations that >troopers in New Jersey have illegally used race-based profiles to stop >black and Hispanic drivers in hope of making drug arrests." > >As the article discussed, this case is related to a court case that led a >Superior Court judge to conclude in 1996 that the New Jersey State Police >had a policy of "selective enforcement" by "targeting blacks for >investigation and arrest." > >The article describes the findings of the 1996 trial: > >"The ruling followed one of the state's longest evidentiary hearings -- six >months of testimony and 200 exhibits, many of them statistical surveys of >drivers and traffic stops on the southernmost 26-mile stretch of the New >Jersey Turnpike. Judge Robert Francis found that troopers looking for drug >suspects had pulled over an inordinate number of black drivers over a >three-year period simply because of their race. > >The survey first determined that some 98 percent of all the drivers along >the stretch of the turnpike were going over the speed limit of 55 miles per >hour, giving the police latitude to stop virtually anybody. The survey >found that while 13.5 percent of the drivers on the stretch of highway were >black, 46 percent of those halted by the police over a 40-month period were >black. > >"They were pulling over blacks out of all proportion to the population of >the turnpike," said Fred Last, a public defender who helped design the >survey. Francis agreed, saying: "The statistical disparities are indeed >stark." He added that the "utter failure" of police commanders to monitor >the arrests or "investigate the many claims of institutional >discrimination, manifests its indifference if not acceptance." > >One striking result of the survey, both the judge and Lamberth noted, was >that troopers using radar tended to stop black drivers at near their rate >in the highway population, while the troopers on road patrol cruising >without radar, who could more freely choose who to stop, arrested far more >blacks. > >"As they got more discretion, they stopped more blacks," Lamberth said. "It >is a telling argument that they are profiling. They get promoted on the >basis of the number of arrests they make, and there is the general >mythology that blacks are more likely than whites to have contraband." [1] > > >The New Jersey State Police�s war on Assata Shakur > >Assata Shakur is a Black Panther and Black Liberation Army leader who was >captured after a shoot-out on the New Jersey Turnpike in 1973. Forensic >evidence revealed that she was shot in the back with her hands up. Killed >in the shoot-out were Zayed Malik Shakur and Voerner Foerster, a New Jersey >trooper of German extraction. > >First the troopers debated finishing her off at the road side, but they >thought she was going to die anyway. When she didn�t, they tortured her, >hitting her in her wound with their gun-butts. This is a classic Gestapo >tactic, according to a member of a French Resistance family who reviewed >the case for us. (For an interesting summary of Nazi behavior towards >blacks in Germany, see a review of Hitler's Forgotten Victims by David >Okuefuna and Moise Shewa.) > >After railroading Assata and convicting her of the murder of Foerster, the >New Jersey State Police was demoralized and dismayed when she escaped in >1979. They became obsessed with her recapture, as has come out in countless >testimony, such as this letter from a New Jersey State employee: > > "I felt it should be known of the hatred that is programmed by the New >Jersey State Police Academy to the new Troopers. They are programmed Assata >is the number ONE criminal, and should be apprehended at all cost. I am a >New Jersey State Employee, I just happen to be in [a medical setting] one >day, I was advising a [campus] Police Officer of Assata's Book, informing >him of some of its positive contents. > > Unknown to me at that particular time there was a N.J. State Trooper in >our presence just about two feet around a corner. The trooper just happen >to hear our conversation regarding my positive feelings on the book. >[Later], my partner ask me what did I do the that particular State Trooper, >I asked my partner what did he mean by the question, he in turn went on to >explain the Trooper confronted him ... and told him I had a serious >problem, and had better watch myself, I can possibly get myself into >serious trouble with my attitude. Keep in mind the only problem I had was >to mention to a Police Officer who happened to be black of the very >positive content of book, in which a N.J. Trooper just happened to be at >ear distance. > > I did everything to maintain my cool, a Sgt.Trooper who happened to be >black heard our conversation, he ask me what was the debate about and I >went on to explain to him of the trooper hearing my conversation about the >book. He stated the trooper was totally wrong but that�s the way they are >programmed. > > For some reason I had to get this out, this happened approximately two >years ago. I saw the hatred in this particular trooper eyes, the trooper >couldn't have been any older than 24 years of age, but the rage of anger >and hatred was glaring deeply into my soul. " > >In addition, we have reports that the New Jersey troopers are still looking >for Assata on the New Jersey Turnpike, despite the fact that she left the >country over a decade ago. Every barracks has a wanted poster of Assata on >the walls. They have arrested a number of innocent black women drivers, >including a civil rights attorney, claiming that they are wanted for >murder. > >Finally, in their obsession, the State Police wrote a letter to the Pope in >December, 1997, asking His Holiness to intervene with Fidel Castro during >his visit to Cuba, where Assata Shakur has found refuge. It is a letter one >observer likens to "something an inmate in a back ward would do out of the >depth of his delusional state." The letter succeeded in raising the >visibility of Shakur�s situation, and now Republican Governor Christie has >gotten into the act by increasing the reward for bringing in Shakur to >$50,000. This reward, which has been compared to the bounty on escaped >slaves, will encourage the crazies and the bounty hunters. > > >The Future > >The author would like to appeal to those who have information bearing on >these matters to make it known. We are finally beginning to understand some >of the background of New Jersey law enforcement and it is important that >this be aired in public and that information be reliably assembled and made >available to attorneys. Interested parties may reach the author via >main@.... > >Already, as a result of posting this article, we have had some interesting >feedback, including this one: > > "When I was training with the NJ State Police back in the early 80's I >left after 10 weeks because of their Nazi Training style and the number of >Nazi recruits who did not hide it even then. They were very open about >their HATE and it was the main reason that I lost interest in joining. I >was personally threatened by 6 of them when I was alone and was told that >they would be watching for me on the Highways. > > So I know you are telling the Truth. > > Peace!!!" > >We encourage more folks to come forward with their testimony. > >The books cited in this article are part of a sizeable literature on this >subject, yet many people remain unaware. The literature is the result of >careful research and deserves to be integrated into the teaching of >history. The impact of this history continues through us and we have to >deal with that not by denying and ignoring it but by bringing out all the >implications. > >Republican Rep Bob Franks and Republican Governor Christie Whitman need to >be aware that issuing a $50,000 reward for bounty hunters in the case of >Assata Shakur only perpetuates the grotesque and shameful past of their >party in New Jersey. Ironically, Gov Whitman has been shunned by the >traditionally Republican "fox-hunting" set in New Jersey as she lowered >taxes, which resulted in an increase in real estate taxes to compensate for >lost revenue. This stung the rich land owners. She then turned to other >constituents, such as the Nazi tinged law and order crowd and the Cuban >American extreme right. The Cuban Americans are a varied community but they >have been hijacked in New Jersey and Miami by a CIA sponsored leadership >with extreme right wing tendencies which hark back to Franco�s Falangist >party. Whitman is thus reviving the old war-time alliance between the Nazis >and Franco�s Spain. Is this really a recipe for the future? > > >Footnotes > >[1]"Van Shooting Revives Charges of Racial 'Profiling' by N.J. State >Police," by John Kifner, New York Times, Sunday, May 10, 1998 > >[2] Assata: An Autobiography by Assata Shakur, Lawrence Hill Books, Chicago >Review Press, Inc., Chicago IL, ISBN 0-55652-074-3 Click here to >order ==> > >[3] The Secret War against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the >Jewish People by John Loftus and Mark Aaron, St. Martin's Griffin, NY, >1994, ISBN 0-312-15648-0 Click here to order ==> > >[4] Lifting the Veil: Life in Revolutionary Iran by John Simpson & Tira >Shubart, Hodder & Stoughton, London, 1995 > >[5] Countercoup: The Struggle for the Control of Iran, by Kermit Roosevelt, >reissued in 1979 > >[6] See http://www.sussexcounty.com/campnord.htm and Wunderlich's Salute by >Marvin D. Miller, Malamud-Rose Publishers, 1983. > >[7] The Spotlight, August 28, 1995, September 4, 1995 and Smith's Report >Number 26, September 1995 (a pro-Nazi publication). > >[8] Trading With The Enemy : An Expose of the Nazi-American Money >Plot,1933-1949 by Charles Higham, Dell, NY, 1983 >Click here to order ==> > >[9] Ibid, pp 53-55 > >[10] Ibid, p 56 > >[11] Ibid, p 58 > >[12] The Secret War against the Jews, pp166-170 > >[13] Ibid. p 221 > >[14] Ibid. pp 221-222 > >[15] Ibid., pp 222-223 > >[16] Ibid., pp 122-123 > >[17] Ibid., pp 224-225 > >[18] High Treason, by Robert J. Groden and Harrison Edward Livingstone, pp. >417-418 > >[19] Old Nazis, the New Right and the Reagan Administration: The Role of >Domestic Fascists Networks in the Republican Party and their Effects on >U.S. Cold War Politics, monograph by Russ Bellant, Political Research >Associates, Cambridge MA >An excellent, very well researched monograph. Must have. Click here to >order ==> > >[20] The Secret War against the Jews, pp 496-497 > >[21] Ibid., pp 505-506 > >[22] Ibid., pp 506 > >[23] Ibid., pp 508-509 > >Bibliography > >See an interesting series of articles by Robert Lederman for several >analyses of the pervasive effects of the US - Nazi alliance at >http://Baltech.org/lederman/ > > Robert Lederman is an artist, a regular columnist for the Greenwich >Village Gazette, The Shadow, The African Sun Times, The Vigo-Examiner, and >Street News, and is the author of hundreds of published essays concerning >Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Lederman has been falsely arrested 41 times to date >(10/10/00) for his anti-Giuliani activities and has never been convicted of >any of the charges. He is best known for creating hundreds of paintings of >Mayor Giuliani as a Hitler like dictator. > >This article is dedicated to the memory of my ancestors who fought the >nazis. >(c) 1998 by Hans Wolff >Anyone interested in publishing this article may reach the author through >main@... > >A Black Cop Tries To Break the Code of Silence in New Jersey >http://www.villagevoice.com/features/9928/noel.shtml > Against the Blue Wall: A Black Cop Tries To Break the Code of >Silence in New Jersey > by Peter Noel > Village Voice, July 14 - 20, 1999 > > The leader of an activist black law-enforcement group�regarded by >admirers as an avenging Shaka Zulu with a 9 millimeter is urging African >American troopers to jam media switchboards with accounts of "sanctioned >racial profiling" by the mostly white New Jersey State Police hierarchy. > > The appeal from De Lacy D. Davis, an East Orange Police Department >sergeant, who heads Black Cops Against Police Brutality, comes in the wake >of last week's ruling by a judge who threw out a state police edict that >threatened discipline for troopers who did unauthorized interviews with >reporters. "I encourage the troopers to speak out as loudly, and as often >as possible," says Davis, "because although the dam is going to be lowered >on the 'Blue Wall of Silence,' some of its defenders will be rushing to >make repairs to it as soon as they spot a leak." > > In a landmark decision, state Superior Court Judge Anthony Parrillo >found that while police agencies may control the release of confidential >information, the New Jersey State Police had imposed an overly broad rule, >which crushed free-speech rights, as a way to avoid embarrassment. The >ruling was sought by trooper Samuel Davis and 12 black colleagues who filed >a discrimination lawsuit in federal court claiming they were denied >permission to give interviews about the controversy over racial > profiling and mistreatment of minority motorists. "The ruling gives >us an opportunity to hear once bottled-up truth aired again, and we will >give the black troopers our full support to get their message out," Davis >vows. > > The 37-year-old activist also is speaking out about beatings in >police custody, an aspect of the blue wall he's been chipping away at with >no results until now. Three years ago, Davis claims, he witnessed a >detective forcibly attempt to remove a prisoner fom the lobby of the East >Orange Municipal Courthouse. While one officer intervened to stop the >confrontation, no one except Davis reported it. Because he had broken the >code of silence, Davis alleges, the detective, Victor Tucker, harassed and >threatened him, eventually telling him, "I'm gonna take your gun and stick >it up your ass!" (Sergeant John LeGates of the East Orange Police >Department's Professional Standards Unit would neither confirm nor deny > whether Tucker, a 13-year veteran, has had previous brutality >complaints filed against him. "You'll have to get a court order for that," >LeGates told the Voice.) In a 1997 report to internal affairs, Davis >charged that his complaint of misconduct against Tucker "was discovered on >the floor in police headquarters"� three months after he'd filed it. Davis >had run up against the wall. > > In April of this year, after FBI agents seized records and other >items from the Orange Police Department� as part of federal and state >investigations into the case of a man who died in custody during the search >for the killer of a black female cop� Davis felt that his national crusade >against police custodial beatings and mistreatment of minority prisoners >finally would be acknowledged. Nearly three months later, Davis cautiously >declares that years of persistent protests may be paying off. > According to the activist� who was featured in a Nightline >documentary on police racial practices� guilty consciencesand tied tongues, >particularly in New Jersey law-enforcement circles, finally are succumbing >to an outcry for justice. On July 1, nine Newark police officers were >suspended, allegedly for beating a prisoner and provoking other detainees >to assault him by telling them that the man, who was awaiting trial, had >sexually assaulted a juvenile. Appearing at a news conference, grim-faced >police director Joseph J. Santiago declared that the department would not >condone "blue walls of silence," adding that an internal investigation, >when completed, will be forwarded to the Essex County prosecutor to >determine whether criminal charges against the officers should be pursued. >"We will not tolerate brutality; we will not tolerate silence about >brutal-ity," Santiago said. > > Despite speculation that the officers "ratted" on each other, Davis >does not share Santiago's exuberance about demolishing the blue wall. "The >blue wall is hardening," he contends. "There are those who believe that it >is crumbling; I argue that the wall is not crumbling. It's just that some >truth is able to seep through the bricks in mortar that has not dried yet." > > Disclosure about the assault on the alleged pedophile, who is >Latino, comes amid heightened concern in New Jersey about police treatment >of minorities. Federal civil rights prosecutors have been negotiating a >possible settlement with the state regarding racial profiling by state >troopers. Activists like Davis also have been prodding the Justice >Department to investigate the circumstances of a chase and fatal shooting >last month of a black motorist by state and local police in Parsippany. > In addition, a grand jury has been investigating two troopers who >shot at four unarmed minority men during a traffic stop on the New Jersey >Turnpike in April 1998. > > Across the Hudson, Davis is closely monitoring the case of Yvette >Walton, a 12-year NYPD veteran who was fired a half hour after she >testified before the City Council on April 19 that her old outfit, the >mostly white Street Crime Unit, discriminated against black and Hispanic >officers and routinely violated citizens' rights by searching them without >justification. Last month, Walton filed a federal lawsuit against the city, >charging that she was dismissed in retaliation for criticizing the >department. Davis claims that for four years, East Orange police brass >denied him a promotion partly because he has spoken out against a pattern > of civil rights violations in police departments nationwide. In >1997, then chief Harry Harmon, who is black, allegedly tried to muzzle >Davis, who had been writing a scathing series of articles about alleged >police misconduct entitled "Breaking the Blue Code of Silence" in the >weekly Citizen. Davis had charged that Harmon "ordered" Captain Peter >Biggiani to pressure him to reveal the sources for his expos�s. In a July >2, 1997, memo to Biggiani, Davis charged that targeting him was "an attempt >by > this agency to harass me and circumvent [a judge's] court order >restraining any acts of retaliation." > > Lieutenant Kevin Hopkins, a spokesman for the East Orange Police >Department, says he will look into Davis's allegation. Harmon, who is no >longer with the department, could not be reached for comment. In the memo, >Davis noted that his role as regional president of the National Black >Police Association made him more "aware of many abuses in law enforcement >around the country." His sources, Davis taunted, are well known to the >department. "Regarding racist cops, my [source] is Mark > Furhman from the Los Angeles PD, drug-using cops, and other >[abusers] in law enforcement," he wrote. "My references [include] officers >in the NYPD, and Michael Dowd's testimony before the Mollen Commission." > > Davis suggested that the department was not interested in credible >sources such as cops who identified themselves to internal affairs after >witnessing the confrontation between himself and Officer Tucker. Tension >had been mounting between Davis and Tucker after Davis injected himself >into a dispute with a prisoner. In a report to internal affairs, Davis said >that on October 23, 1996, while in the lobby of the East Orange Municipal >Courthouse, he was distracted by angry banter between Officer > William Phillips and the prisoner, Michael Grudger. He said he asked >both the officer and the prisoner "to quiet down" but their voices grew >louder. "Eventually . . . Officer Victor Tucker grabbed Mr. Grudger from >behind and attempted to pull him from the lobby. . . .," Davis claimed. >"The citizen repeatedly told Officer Tucker that he did not want to leave > the building. Officer Phillips grabbed Officer Tucker and advised >him to release Mr. Grudger. Officer Tucker eventually complied and Officer >Phillips escorted Tucker out of the building." > > Davis said that after he reported Tucker's alleged misconduct to >internal affairs, Tucker began to harass him. On June 3, 1997, they came >face to face at a packed assembly room at police headquarters. "Since you >are such a brother, maybe you will give a copy of the reports that you >filed on me," Davis quoted Tucker as saying in a complaint he submitted >shortly after the incident. When Davis told Tucker he could get copies from >internal affairs, "the detective became irate, loud, and boisterous with >me. He began to curse and shout that he was going to 'kick my ass,' that I >'wasn't shit.' " During the altercation, Davis said that he feared Tucker >would carry out his threat to disarm him of his gun and shove it > up his rectum. > > At least three three other officers backed up Davis's version in >writing. In his statement, Officer Gary Griffin said Tucker was the >aggressor. "Detective Tucker used many obscenities [such as] 'You ain't >shit.' Detective Tucker then [challenged] Officer Davis to meet him at a >private place to confront him. Officer Davis responded, 'If you're not >guilty, you'll win in court.' " Davis's remark infuriated Tucker, who, >according to Griffin, "had to be physically removed by Officer Charles Hall >and > others." Tucker, Griffin added, "returned an additional three times >to confront Officer Davis. Each time he had to be physically removed by at >least two officers." > > In their last encounter, Griffin recalled, Tucker told Davis that >although he was unarmed, that he had "no cuffs and no gun," he would take >Davis's own gun and sodomize him with it. "Officer Tucker was hostile in >his mannerism, both vocally and physically, commissioning Officer Davis to >step outside," Hall said in his statement. "The two officers exchanged >words several times but nothing physical came about. There were several >officers in the assembly room at the time along with Sergeant LeGates and > Lieutenant Gloria Oliver." > > Grudger and Tucker eventually dropped charges against each other. >But Tucker was later convicted of "making terroristic threats" against >Davis, a clerk at the East Orange Municipal Court confirms. He was >originally fined $500, but that was suspended and he wound up paying $127. >"Although he was found guilty, the department did nothing to him because it >was > covering for him," Davis charges. > > A law-enforcement insider, who is familiar with the former case >against Tucker, told the Voice, "it would seem that an administrative >hearing would have followed after a conviction like that. There was none. >You could infer from that that somebody was protecting someone." > > Additional reporting: Karen Mahabir > >Contacting AfroCubaWeb > Postal address > Box 1054, Arlington, MA 02474 > Electronic mail > main@... > > Got a question? 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Marine shot to death in
Newark by corrections officer
06/03/01
BY LIZ LEYDEN
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
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A 23-year-old Marine on leave to visit his family in Orange
was fatally shot early yesterday on an Irvington street.
Lance Cpl. Daniel Nichol was shot in the torso on Lyons
Avenue around 1:45 a.m., police said. He was taken to
University Hospital in Newark, where he was pronounced
dead, police said.
Police identified the shooter as James Brailsford, a
33-year-old Essex County corrections officer. Brailsford
was not on duty at the time of the shooting, police said.
Brailsford, a Newark resident, was questioned yesterday
by investigators, said Irvington Police Chief Steven
Palamara. He would not comment on the circumstances
surrounding the shooting.
No arrests have been made in the case, which is being
investigated by the Irvington Police Department and the
Essex County Prosecutor's Office.
Besides Brailsford's 9 mm handgun, a .380-caliber
handgun was also found at the scene, near the intersection
of Lyons Avenue and Coit Street, Palamara said. He said it
was unclear who owned the second weapon.
"The investigation is in its beginning stages with witnesses
being interviewed, forensic evidence being examined and
investigation leads being pursued," said Palamara.
Brailsford could be reached for comment.
Nichol was a son of the Rev. Ralph Nichol, pastor of the
Deliverance Evangelistic Center on Clinton Avenue in
Newark.
Yesterday, many of Nichol's seven brothers and sisters
and extended family members gathered at the family's
stately brick home in Orange, anxiously awaiting to hear
from police about what happened.
"The prosecutor's office said they can't give out any
information at this early stage," Ralph Nichol said. "We're
just up in the air."
A spokesperson for the prosecutor's office could not be
reached for comment.
Family members said Nichol arrived home Friday night
from Henderson Hall, the Marine base in Arlington, Va.,
where he was stationed, for a weekend visit. He then went
out with friends, including a fellow Marine who had
accompanied Nichol home.
Edward Nichol, Nichol's uncle and himself a retired
corrections officer for Essex County, said the family was
"dumbfounded" by his nephew's death and frustrated by
the lack of information about it.
Despite the fact that a county corrections officer was
involved, Nichol said he had faith that police would
thoroughly investigate the shooting.
"We're going to let them do their job. . . . We're just
trying
to find out exactly what happened," he said. "It makes me
feel bad, because I don't know what the circumstances
were. This was not a bad kid."
From his home in Fayetteville, N.C., Derrick Nichol
dismissed the notion that his brother could have done
anything to provoke the shooting.
"He was not one of those gung-ho Marine guys. Everyone
who knows him will tell you he is not capable of hurting
anybody," Nichol said. "Something is wrong here."
Family members said Nichol had enlisted in the Marine
Corps shortly after graduating from Columbia High School
in Maplewood in 1997 and spent two years at a U.S. base
in Okinawa, Japan. After returning to the States, Nichol
used weekend passes to visit his family up to three times
a month.
"He was very close to his family. . . . If anything was
going
on here, he would make it his business to come visit," Rev.
Nichol said, recalling that his son had visited in May to
celebrate his birthday.
"We were very proud of Danny," the father said as he
regarded a picture of his son taken when he was in
kindergarten. "We're going to miss him."
Anyone with information about the shooting is asked to call
the homicide unit of the Essex County Prosecutor's office
at (973) 621-4700.
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Gift or gimmick?
Lilly says Sarafem will help ease a severe
premenstrual ailment. Critics call the drug -- Prozac
by another name -- a profit ploy
06/06/01
BY ED SILVERMAN
The women in the magazine ads are all aglow.
Sporting big smiles and carefree demeanors, they are poster children
for happiness and serenity.
These are the qualities Sarafem, a new name among
prescription drugs, is supposed to create in women who suffer from a
little-known ailment called PMDD, or premenstrual dysphoric disorder, a
variant of premenstrual syndrome.
The medicine, approved by regulators last year, is
being widely promoted by its manufacturer, Eli Lilly & Co., as a
godsend to menstruating women who otherwise would experience severe
mood changes, sadness and irritability.
If only it were that simple.
A chorus of doctors and insurers say Sarafem is
little more than a cleverly timed marketing ploy, because the drug is
really a renamed version of Prozac. The patent on the blockbuster
depression medicine expires this summer, and Lilly is scrambling to
compensate for sales that will be lost to cheaper generics.
Fueling the debate is a controversy over PMDD
itself. Only 5 percent of women may experience PMDD, which some
psychiatrists believe is questionable ailment. As a result, critics say
Lilly is stigmatizing women by suggesting they suffer from a mental
illness each month. Rather than demonstrating a genuine interest in
women's health, they charge Lilly's move underscores the lengths to
which drug makers will go to protect profits.
"Lilly has done the wrong thing. Calling it
Sarafem is deceptive. It's sort of like a little white lie," said
Mickey Smith, director of the Center for Pharmaceutical Management and
Marketing at the University of Mississippi. "There's an insidious
element in this. "They ought to just say they've found a new way to use
Prozac."
For its part, the Indianapolis-based drug maker
maintains it has done nothing wrong. Sarafem was designed in response
to requests from women and their doctors who were seeking assistance in
treating a little-understood ailment, according to Laura Miller, a
Lilly spokeswoman.
"PMDD is an underrecognized and undertreated
disorder. Women have told us for years that they've been told it's
something they have to live with or it's all in their heads," she said.
Miller also noted that there are other instances in which more than one
trademark exists for the same drug being used to treat different
ailments.
Nonetheless, Lilly faces a huge dilemma when it
comes to Prozac, which generated $2.6 billion in sales last year.
Unless Lilly wins a court battle over patents, which Wall Street seems
to think is unlikely, Prozac sales are forecast to drop by one-third
next year, according to Hemant Shah, a securities analyst who follows
the drug industry.
By recasting Prozac as a new drug, though, Lilly
stands to gain if doctors write prescriptions specifically for Sarafem.
Right now, each drug costs nearly $3 a day for a month's supply. But as
soon as a generic is available, the cost of Prozac is likely to drop by
as much as 70 percent, according to the drug industry's usual rule of
thumb.
However, thanks to quirks in insurance coverage,
Sarafem would continue to command a higher price that will be paid by
insurers, at least those insurers that agree to underwrite the
medication. Under this scenario, Lilly may be able to generate more
revenue than the Indianapolis drug maker might otherwise if it hadn't
conceived Sarafem.
"The whole reason they did this is to keep sales
up," said Terry Leach, director of pharmacy services at Horizon Blue
Cross and Blue Shield of New Jersey.
If a doctor writes a prescription for Sarafem, the
pharmacist can't fill it with a generic Prozac unless they call the
doctor and get permission to switch, he said. For that reason, Leach
said, Lilly has incentive to price Sarafem as a branded product.
Of course, not every insurer plans to go along.
WellPoint Health Networks, a large health-maintenance organization
based in Thousands Oaks, Calif., doesn't plan to cover the cost of
either Sarafem or Prozac once the generic version becomes available
this summer, according to Rob Siedman, the company's chief pharmacy
officer.
Coverage is an issue for others, too. The Health
Care Payers Coalition of New Jersey, a nonprofit buyers consortium that
represents self-funded businesses and labor health plans, recently
denounced Lilly for aggressively promoting Sarafem. The group's
officials worry that a high-priced drug will be too readily prescribe
for women who do not need it.
"This is going to get a lot of women taking
Prozac, a psychotropic drug that effects the brain and has side
effects," said David Knowlton, a former New Jersey health commissioner
and coalition lobbyist. "I'm not saying price isn't an issue, but we're
seeing an escalation in their marketing, which tends to drive people to
a drug."
Indeed, Lilly's marketing has been aggressive.
From August, when the Food and Drug Administration
approved this new use of Prozac, through January, the drug maker spent
$17 million to promote it to consumers, according to Competitive Media
Reporting.
During the same period, an additional $16 million
was spent to promote it to doctors and in medical journals, according
to IMS Health, a market-research firm.
Within a few months of launching Sarafem, Lilly's
advertising ran afoul of regulators. The FDA cited the drug maker for
running a television ad that was "misleading, lacking in fair balance
and in violation" of federal law, according to a letter sent last
November by the agency to Lilly officials.
The 60-second ad showed a frustrated woman trying
to pull a shopping cart out of a tangled group of carts in front of a
supermarket. The ad then said: "Think it's PMS? It could be PMDD," but
it never distinguished between the two illnesses or specifically
defined PMDD. The FDA complained the ad "trivializes the seriousness of
PMDD."
The ad campaign, which has been prominent in
women's magazines, already has had an effect. Between September and
February, the number of prescriptions written by doctors for Sarafem
increased sevenfold, while the number of prescriptions written for
Prozac declined, according to IMS Health.
This trend worries Althea O'Shaughnessy, a
Princeton gynecologist and reproductive endocrinologist. She believes
too many women may react to the Sarafem ads by asking their doctors to
write prescriptions. But she worries that such requests may be
inappropriate because most women never experience PMDD.
"The ads make it seem that you just take the drug
and all the problems go away," O'Shaughnessy said. "I worry that
physicians will prescribe it because of patient demand. But it's not a
wonder drug or a cure-all. And only a very small percentage of women
even suffer from PMDD. Even PMS is a very loose term for symptoms."
The controversy over PMDD was never fully settled by the American
Psychiatric Association. The organization, which oversees diagnoses,
lists the ailment in both the appendix and the main section of a widely
cited compendium of disorders called the Diagnostic and Standards
Manual IV, which is the equivalent of the Bible among mental-health
specialists.
But a listing in the appendix is reserved for a
diagnosis lacking sufficient evidence for validity, said Sally
Severino, a former professor of psychiatry at the University of New
Mexico School of Medicine and a member of a specially convened APA
round table that, in 1998, was held to settle the PMDD debate.
"The real question is whether PMDD is a valid
diagnosis. If it is, you should be able to prove it in some way," she
said. "But we can't ever seem to get any consistency about what
symptoms should qualify for this diagnosis.
"It's all very confusing. And by listing it in
both places, the APA is talking out both sides of its mouth."
Ed Silverman covers the drug industry and can be
reached at (973) 392-1542 or esilverman@....
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from �On Protracted War�, Mao The Question of Decisive Engagements in the Anti-Japanese War 106. The question of decisive engagements in the anti-Japanese war should be approached from three aspects: we should resolutely fight a decisive engagement in every campaign or battle in which we are sure of victory; we should avoid a decisive engagement in every campaign or battle in which we are not sure of victory; and we should absolutely avoid a strategically decisive engagement on which the fate of the whole nation is staked. The characteristics differentiating tour War of Resistance Against Japan from many other wars are also revealed in this question of decisive engagements. In the first and second stages of the war, which are marked by the enemy�s strength and our weakness, the enemy�s objective is to have us concentrate our main forces for a decisive engagement. Our objective is exactly the opposite. We want to choose conditions favourable to us, concentrate superior forces and fight decisive campaigns or battles only when we are sure of victory, as in the battles at Pinghsingkuan, Taierhchuang, and other places; we want to avoid decisive engagements under unfavourable conditions when we are not sure of victory, this being the policy we adopted in the Changteh and other campaigns. As for fighting a strategically decisive engagement on which the fate of the whole nation is staked, we simply must not do so, as witness the recent withdrawal from Hsuchow. The enemy�s plan for a �quick decision� was thus foiled, and now he cannot help fighting a protracted war with us. These principles are impracticable in a country with a small territory, and hardly practicable in a country with a small territory, ahd hardly practicable in a country that is very backward politically. They are practicable in China because she is a big country and is in an era of progress. If strategically decisive engagements are avoided, then �as long as the green mountains are there, one need not worry about firewood�, for even though some of our territory may be lost, we shall still have plenty of room for manouvre and thus be able to promote and await domestic progress, international support and the internal disintegration of the enemy; that is the best policy for us in anti-Japanese war. Unable to endure the arduous trials of a protracted war and eager for early triumph, the impetuous theorists of quick victory clamour for a strategically decisive engagement the moment the situation takes a slightly favourable turn. To do what they want would be to iflict incalcuable damage on the entire war, spell finis to the protracted war, and land us in the enemy�s deadly trap; actually, it would be the worst policy. Undoubtedly, if we are to avoid decisive engagements, we shall have to abandon territory, and we must have the courage to do so when (and only when) it becomes completely unavoidable. At such times we should not feel the slightest regret, for this policy of trading space for time is correct. History tells us how Russia made a courageous retreat to avoid a decisive engagement and then defeated Napoleon, the terror of his age. Today China should do likewise. 107. Are we not afraid of being denounced as �non-resisters�? No, we are not. Not to fight at all but to compromise with the enemy--that is non-resistance, which should not only be denounced but never be tolerated. We must resolutely fight the War of Resistance, but in order to avoid the enemy�s deadly trap, it is absolutely necessary that we should not allow our main forces to be finished off at one blow, which should make it absolutely necessary to avoid national subjugation. To have doubts on this point is to be short-sighted on the question of the war and is sure to lead one into the ranks of the subjugationists. We have criticized the desparate recklessness of �only advance, never retreat� precisely because, if it became the fashion, this doctrine would make it impossible to continue the War of Resistance and would lead to the danger of national subjugation. 108. We are for decisive engagements whenever circumstances are favourable, whether in battles or in major or minor campaigns, and in this respect we should never tolerate passivity. Only through such decisive engagements can we achieve the objective of annihilating or depleting the enemy forces, and every soldier in the anti-Japanese war should resolutely play his part. For this purpose considerable partial sacrifices are necessary; to avoid any sacrifice whatsoever is the attitude of cowards and of those afflicted by the fear of Japan and must be firmly opposed. The execution of Li Fu-ying, Han Fu-chu and other flightists was justified. Within the scope of correct war planning, encouraging the spirit and practice of heroic self-sacrifice and dauntless advance in a battle is absolutely necessary and inseperable from the waging of protracted war and the achievement of final victory. We have strongly condemned the flightism of �only retreat, never advance� and have supported the strict enforcement of discipline, because it is only through heroic decisive engagements, fought under a correct plan, that we can vanquish the powerful enemy; flightism, on the contrary, gives direct support to the theory of national subjugation. 109 Is it not self-contradictory to fight heroically first and then abandon territory? Will not our heroic fighters have shed their blood in vain? That is not at all the way questions should be posed. To eat and then to empty your bowels--is this not to eat in vain? To sleep and then to get up--is this not to sleep in vain? Can questions be posed in such a way? I would suppose not. To keep on eating, to keep on sleeping, to keep on fighting heroically all the way to the Yalu River without a stop--these are subjectivist and formalist illusions, not realities of life. As everybody knows, although in fighting and shedding our blood in order to gain time and prepare the counter-offensive we have had to abandon some territory, in fact we have gained time, we have achieved the objective of annihilating and depleting enemy forces, we have acquired experience in fighting, we have aroused hitherto inactive people and improved our international standing. Has our blood been shed in vain? Certainly not. Territory has been fiven up in order to preserve territory, because if we do not abandon part of our territory when conditions are unfavourable but blindly fight decisive engagements without the least assurance of winning, we shall lose our military forces and then be unable to avoid the loss of all our territory, to say nothing of recovering territory already lost. A capitalist must have capital to run his business, and if he loses it all he is no longer a capitalist. Even a gambler must have money to stake, and if he risks it all on a single throw and his luck fails, he cannot gamble any more. Events have their twists and turns and do not follow a straight line, and war is no exeption; only formalists are unable to comprehend this truth. 110. I think the same will also hold true for the decisive engagements in the stage of strategic counter-offensive. Although by then the enemy will be in the inferior and we in the superior position, the principle of �fighting profitable decisive engagements and avoiding unprofitable ones� will still apply and will continue to apply until we have fought our way to the Yalu River. This is how we will be able to maintain our initiative from beginning to end, and as for the enemy�s �challenges� and other people�s �taunts�, we should imperturbably brush them aside and ignore them. In the War of Resistance only those generals who show this kind of firmness can be deemed courageous and wise. This is beyond the ken of those who �jump whenever touched�. Even though we are in a more or less passive position strategically in this first stage of the war, we should have the initiative in every campaign; and of course we should have the initiative throughout the later stages. We are for protracted war and final victory, we are not gamblers who risk everything on a single throw. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Text of Gang Forum Flyer for those who didn't get the attachment: ATTENTION BLACK & LATINO YOUTH: JOIN US FOR A HIP-HOP YOUTH & GANG FORUM ***************************************************** KEYNOTE SPEAKER: AFENI SHAKUR, MOTHER OF TUPAC SHAKUR ACTIVIST/REVOLUTIONARY ***************************************************** FEATURED PANELISTS: KEVIN POWEL - ACTIVIST/WRITER RAS BARAKA - POET/ACTIVIST MIN. MICHAEL MUHAMMAD - NATIONOF ISLAM SPECIAL INVITED GUESTS: KRS1, SONIA SANCHEZ, SISTA SOULJAH, AMINA BARAKA, AMIRI BARAKA, DELACY DAVIS, JAMES MTUME THURSDAY JUNE 21 2001 7PM CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL 100SUMMIT ST, NEWARK ADMISSIOIN FREE CONTACT 973 698 9504 CO SPONSORED BY BLACK NIA FORCE, MUHAMMAD MOSQUE #25, PAN-AFRICAN MUSLIM ASSOCIATION ----Original Message Follows---- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] gang forum flier Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:13:19 -0000 matt, didnt get the attachment. what is the "onceinalifetime event"? cliff >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, >aspirito70@..., bayewilson@..., bscott@..., >rbender65@..., artes21@..., Funkhouser@..., >chrisrp22@..., mcrockford@..., citruswar@..., >djbender@..., subverter@..., emilio@..., >Groovemeister007@..., lknesta@..., kmyers@..., >OH_G@..., kvt@..., lknesta@..., >marcosxh@..., msda_msmith@..., MeadHajduk@..., >hajdukmi@..., NatBender@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >ngorfinkle@..., njfo@yahoogroups.com, pwhalen@..., >shorepaulie@..., richc@..., illbread@..., >jmluceno@..., tdegloma@..., traceyx@..., >xavier.hansen@... >Subject: [nbpc] gang forum flier >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 16:32:44 > >Fowarded from B.N.F. >(Please let me know if the fler attachment fails...) >-Matt > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Trevor Phillips" <tphillipsjr-1@...> >Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com >To: "Alexandre, Reynaldine \(Exchange\)" <RALEXANDRE@...> >Subject: [motherlandcollective] gang forum flier >Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 20:16:15 -0400 > >Please forward, this is a once in a lifetime event. >-Trev > > gang forum flier > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
----Original Message Follows---- From: RBender65@... To: efsutton@..., redlyn@..., Friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Clearwater Festival Reclaiming Pacifica -PARTICIPATE Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 06:52:46 EDT Clearwater Festival Reclaiming Pacifica: Participate WBAI-in-Exile will have a stage at this foremost environmental festival June 16 & 17, 10 a.m. to dusk on the shores of the Hudson River, Croton-on-Hudson, www.clearwater.org. Over 90 performers on five stages perform a blend of contemporary, ethnic and traditional music and dance, from blues to rock, funk to gospel, bluegrass to cajun. And lots for children of all ages. Concerned Friends of WBAI in its splendid geographic and other diversity and The Pacifica Campaign have two tables for literature and sales of products - attractive union-made t-shirts, buttons, bumper stickers, books,- hopefully to many of the 10000 Festiviants. JOIN US PLEASE. We need a slew of volunteers to staff the tables and the Radio-in-Exile. General Advance Price is $25 for one day, $35 for both days, student, Senior and PWD discounts. Children 12 and under FREE - 1-800-67-SLOOP. If you will be attending and are willing to volunteer at least 90 minutes, please so inform Bob Bender - 908-755-5846, RBender65@... .Do you have a van so you can help transport material? RECLAIM PACIFICA, WBAI AND THE HUDSON RIVER. OUR STATION, OUR RIVER To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(sorry for multiple copies) Folks- I am writing to invite you this Saturday morning, as a group of NJIT architecture students, Newark grammer school kids, and community activists assist an international contingent representing nations from India, Zimbabwe, South Africa, UK, etc. who are part of an organized effort to develop homes and communities for & with the 'poorest of the poor' of underdeveloped nations. For this past week, I have been working hand in hand with members of Shack/Slum Dwellers International, Mahila Milan (Women United) and SPARC (...Area Resource Centers), to construct and erect two full scale models of a proposed settlement home and a public toilet in the lobby of the UN General Assembly building (under the watchful eye of a suspendid Sputnik, I might add!). Now that the convention is coming to a close, we have the difficult task of dismantling these structures and transporting them back across the Hudson River where they will be reassembled in the Gallery of the NJ School of Architecture at NJIT for further exhibition. It has been a priceless experience to work with people who, with nothing to lose, have come halfway around the world and unabashedly taken over the lobby of the UN to draw attention to the dire need for housing and basic facilities they share with so many. At first extremely aprehensive of us, the staff and security gradually came to embrace this project and soon couldn't do enough to help us accomplish what seemed an impossible mission. All of our work culminated at Tuesday evening's innauguration when their leader, Jokin, was pointed out for special recognition by the head of the UN Habitat Commission, (the housing equivelant of the UN Human Rights Commission) and UN Chairman, Kofi Anan, stopped by for a tour of our models. And for those architecture students willing to become involved in this effort, it is a tremendous opportunity to begin to understand how beautiful designs can develop out of objective conditions and the needs of people through an open dialogue with the community itself. These are principles that we can bring back into the studio with us to challenge the strict and limiting adherance to the purely subjective abstraction and form-for-form's sake that dominates the current academic process. For all willing and able bodies, please meet with us at the rear enterance of the NJIT Architecture Building (Front faces MLK Blvd & Warren St, Newark) 9AM Saturday morning, June 9. If you can't make the morning, feel free to stop by the Architecture building in the afternoon to help reassemble the panels. Thanks all, Matthew Smith (973) 824-2949 for more info. (Carlo, Seb, & others, can you please foward this to the group list and any other interested parties, as hotmail has been inconveniently deleting pertinent files from my over-the-limit account) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Here are some notes I cooked up to complement the article on Sarafem (Prozac
for women) that Cliff sent out. Below my writing is the original article.
I don't know where to credit the article to: can someone attribute it? Paul
------------
>
>This "new" pre-menstrual disorder and "new" Prozac medication to treat
>"affected" women really sounds like the old "disorder" called HYSTERIA by
>none other than Freud himself, that coke-sniffing misogynist.
>
>That's not an accident: the history of psychiatry, pharmaceuticals and
>authoritarian governance is a broken record. Read on...
>
>This trend dates back to the origins of Psychiatry, which has its
>ultimately groundings in the German chemical industry.
>This imperialist tool helped vault the German economy (check out the
>relations of big industry to Kaiser, Bismarck, Hitler) into a pivotal
>strategic position among nations.
>
>The chemical industry is the basis of the pharmaceutical industry, which
>has always used psychiatry's authority to sell its poisons.
>
>The field of psychiatry was formed in Germany in the 30s or 40s, I'm not
>sure which----it was/became an effective method for pharmaceutical
>companies to market their drugs. The legal drugs industry is consistently
>the most profitable corporate sector for years now.
>
>Enter the pill-pushers.
>
>The psychiatrists came up with the diagnostic manual called DSM to
>"standardize" the maladies they were allegedly addressing. DSM definitely
>has connections to Nazi doctors, many of whom emigrated to the US after
>WWII.
>
>Basically DSM is still the standard, updated into its fifth edition not so
>long ago. It seems that DSM's main purpose is to classify psychological
>phenomena and social behaviors (ones that usually reduce worker
>productivity) as aberrant, attributing their causes to the oft-heard
>"chemical inbalances", but never to social problems.
So a new diagnosis gets entered into the DSM and how else is it treated?
With legal prescription drugs, of course.
It just so happens that Prozac has over 100 contraindications and side
effects, including the symptoms it's supposed to treat. No joke.
But it'll be swallowed by millions of poor women who simply want relief from
physical and emotional symptoms which are by and large caused by the
poisoned diet of processed sugars, beauty chemicals, environmental toxins,
unhealthy work and life arrangements, etc., that plague most of us.
So the food and drugs industries and healthcare professionals are all
culpable for enhancing the slowdeath cycle of violence against the womyn in
our lives.
-----------------
What are the political ramifications?
"Blame the individual" is the ideological component of this push to medicate
women. this marketing scheme, corporate patent maneuvering to protect
super-profits, revolving door for pharmaceutical corps.' agent in and out of
the very regulatory agencies which govern their businesses::::these are
parts of the highly polished mechanism which is meant to sell us "health".
The insurance companies, insurance lawyers, scamming hospital conglomerates,
authoritarian zero-tolerance zealots, Right wing politicians, etc., all
benefit from this system.
>>Gift or gimmick?
>>
>> Lilly says Sarafem will help ease a severe
>> premenstrual ailment. Critics call the drug --
>>Prozac by another name -- a profit ploy
>>
>> These are the qualities Sarafem, a new name
>among
>>prescription drugs,
>> is supposed to create in women who suffer from
>a
>>little-known ailment
>> called PMDD, or premenstrual dysphoric
>disorder, a
>>variant of
>> premenstrual syndrome.
>>
>> The medicine, approved by regulators last year,
>is
>>being widely promoted
>> by its manufacturer, Eli Lilly & Co., as a
>godsend
>>to menstruating women
>> who otherwise would experience severe mood changes,
>>sadness and
>> irritability.
>>
>> If only it were that simple.
>>
>> A chorus of doctors and insurers say Sarafem is
>>little more than a cleverly
>> timed marketing ploy, because the drug is
>really a
>>renamed version of
>> Prozac. The patent on the blockbuster
>depression
>>medicine expires this
>> summer, and Lilly is scrambling to compensate
>for
>>sales that will be lost to
>> cheaper generics.
>>
>> Fueling the debate is a controversy over PMDD
>>itself. Only 5 percent of
>> women may experience PMDD, which some psychiatrists
>>believe is
>> questionable ailment. As a result, critics say Lilly
>>is stigmatizing women by
>> suggesting they suffer from a mental illness
>each
>>month. Rather than
>> demonstrating a genuine interest in women's health,
>>they charge Lilly's
>> move underscores the lengths to which drug
>makers
>>will go to protect
>> profits.
>>
>> "Lilly has done the wrong thing. Calling it Sarafem
>>is deceptive. It's sort of
>> like a little white lie," said Mickey Smith,
>>director of the Center for
>> Pharmaceutical Management and Marketing at the
>>University of
>> Mississippi. "There's an insidious element in this.
>>"They ought to just say
>> they've found a new way to use Prozac."
>>
>> For its part, the Indianapolis-based drug maker
>>maintains it has done
>> nothing wrong. Sarafem was designed in response
>to
>>requests from
>> women and their doctors who were seeking assistance
>>in treating a
>> little-understood ailment, according to Laura
>>Miller, a Lilly spokeswoman.
>>
>> "PMDD is an underrecognized and undertreated
>>disorder. Women have
>> told us for years that they've been told it's
>>something they have to live
>> with or it's all in their heads," she said.
>Miller
>>also noted that there are
>> other instances in which more than one
>trademark
>>exists for the same
>> drug being used to treat different ailments.
>>
>> Nonetheless, Lilly faces a huge dilemma when it
>>comes to Prozac, which
>> generated $2.6 billion in sales last year.
>Unless
>>Lilly wins a court battle
>> over patents, which Wall Street seems to think
>is
>>unlikely, Prozac sales
>> are forecast to drop by one-third next year,
>>according to Hemant Shah, a
>> securities analyst who follows the drug
>industry.
>>
>> By recasting Prozac as a new drug, though,
>Lilly
>>stands to gain if doctors
>> write prescriptions specifically for Sarafem. Right
>>now, each drug costs
>> nearly $3 a day for a month's supply. But as
>soon
>>as a generic is
>> available, the cost of Prozac is likely to drop
>by
>>as much as 70 percent,
>> according to the drug industry's usual rule of
>>thumb.
>>
>> However, thanks to quirks in insurance
>coverage,
>>Sarafem would
>> continue to command a higher price that will be paid
>>by insurers, at least
>> those insurers that agree to underwrite the
>>medication. Under this
>> scenario, Lilly may be able to generate more revenue
>>than the
>> Indianapolis drug maker might otherwise if it hadn't
>>conceived Sarafem.
>>
>> "The whole reason they did this is to keep
>sales
>>up," said Terry Leach,
>> director of pharmacy services at Horizon Blue Cross
>>and Blue Shield of
>> New Jersey.
>>
>> If a doctor writes a prescription for Sarafem,
>the
>>pharmacist can't fill it with
>> a generic Prozac unless they call the doctor
>and
>>get permission to switch,
>> he said. For that reason, Leach said, Lilly has
>>incentive to price Sarafem
>> as a branded product.
>>
>> Of course, not every insurer plans to go along.
>>WellPoint Health
>> Networks, a large health-maintenance
>organization
>>based in Thousands
>> Oaks, Calif., doesn't plan to cover the cost of
>>either Sarafem or Prozac
>> once the generic version becomes available this
>>summer, according to
>> Rob Siedman, the company's chief pharmacy
>officer.
>>
>> Coverage is an issue for others, too. The
>Health
>>Care Payers Coalition of
>> New Jersey, a nonprofit buyers consortium that
>>represents self-funded
>> businesses and labor health plans, recently
>>denounced Lilly for
>> aggressively promoting Sarafem. The group's
>>officials worry that a
>> high-priced drug will be too readily prescribed for
>>women who do not need
>> it.
>>
>> "This is going to get a lot of women taking Prozac,
>>a psychotropic drug
>> that effects the brain and has side effects,"
>said
>>David Knowlton, a former
>> New Jersey health commissioner and coalition
>>lobbyist. "I'm not saying
>> price isn't an issue, but we're seeing an escalation
>>in their marketing,
>> which tends to drive people to a drug."
>>
>> Indeed, Lilly's marketing has been aggressive.
>>
>> From August, when the Food and Drug
>Administration
>>approved this new
>> use of Prozac, through January, the drug maker spent
>>$17 million to
>> promote it to consumers, according to
>Competitive
>>Media Reporting.
>> During the same period, an additional $16
>million
>>was spent to promote it
>> to doctors and in medical journals, according
>to
>>IMS Health, a
>> market-research firm.
>>
>> Within a few months of launching Sarafem,
>Lilly's
>>advertising ran afoul of
>> regulators. The FDA cited the drug maker for running
>>a television ad that
>> was "misleading, lacking in fair balance and in
>>violation" of federal law,
>> according to a letter sent last November by the
>>agency to Lilly officials.
>>
>> The 60-second ad showed a frustrated woman
>trying
>>to pull a shopping
>> cart out of a tangled group of carts in front
>of a
>>supermarket. The ad then
>> said: "Think it's PMS? It could be PMDD," but
>it
>>never distinguished
>> between the two illnesses or specifically
>defined
>>PMDD. The FDA
>> complained the ad "trivializes the seriousness
>of
>>PMDD."
>>
>> The ad campaign, which has been prominent in women's
>>magazines,
>> already has had an effect. Between September
>and
>>February, the
>> number of prescriptions written by doctors for
>>Sarafem increased
>> sevenfold, while the number of prescriptions written
>>for Prozac declined,
>> according to IMS Health.
>>
>> This trend worries Althea O'Shaughnessy, a Princeton
>>gynecologist and
>> reproductive endocrinologist. She believes too many
>>women may react to
>> the Sarafem ads by asking their doctors to
>write
>>prescriptions. But she
>> worries that such requests may be inappropriate
>>because most women
>> never experience PMDD.
>>
>> "The ads make it seem that you just take the
>drug
>>and all the problems
>> go away," O'Shaughnessy said. "I worry that
>>physicians will prescribe it
>> because of patient demand. But it's not a
>wonder
>>drug or a cure-all. And
>> only a very small percentage of women even
>suffer
>>from PMDD. Even
>> PMS is a very loose term for symptoms."
>>
>> The controversy over PMDD was never fully
>settled
>>by the American
>> Psychiatric Association. The organization,
>which
>>oversees diagnoses, lists
>> the ailment in both the appendix and the main
>>section of a widely cited
>> compendium of disorders called the Diagnostic
>and
>>Standards Manual IV,
>> which is the equivalent of the Bible among
>mental-
>>health specialists.
>>
>> But a listing in the appendix is reserved for a
>>diagnosis lacking sufficient
>> evidence for validity, said Sally Severino, a former
>>professor of psychiatry
>> at the University of New Mexico School of
>Medicine
>>and a member of a
>> specially convened APA round table that, in
>1998,
>>was held to settle the
>> PMDD debate.
>>
>> "The real question is whether PMDD is a valid
>>diagnosis. If it is, you
>> should be able to prove it in some way," she
>said.
>>"But we can't ever
>> seem to get any consistency about what symptoms
>>should qualify for this
>> diagnosis.
>>
>> "It's all very confusing. And by listing it in both
>>places, the APA is talking
>> out both sides of its mouth."
>>
>> Ed Silverman covers the drug industry and can
>be
>>reached at (973)
>> 392-1542 or esilverman@s...
>>
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great project, matt. keep it up! cliff >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: unlockingexits@..., bigjuba@..., kvt@..., >nkrajkiewcz@..., rjthomas@..., shojreh@..., >vspirito@..., nshamberger@..., acruz@..., drw@..., >nsprite1@..., gcoleman@..., lvivenzio@..., >dbutler@..., tbaratta@..., rrichards@..., >barcliff@..., oftik@..., asela@..., >mahetzel@..., maharret@..., aspirito70@..., >ddazzo@..., rsquared@..., bayewilson@..., >bscott@..., billcherry@..., rbender65@..., >CXC3251@..., Funkhouser@..., chrisrp22@..., >Clifford.Smith@..., drovics@..., emilio@..., >jfortun845@..., nia7@..., locicero@..., >renren59@..., MeadHajduk@..., essenjovu@..., >marcosxh@..., msda_msmith@..., pwhalen@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, >traceyx@... >Subject: [nbpc] HELP w/ HOUSING PROJECT at UNITED NATIONS >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 15:56:35 > >(sorry for multiple copies) > > >Folks- I am writing to invite you this Saturday morning, as a group of NJIT >architecture students, Newark grammer school kids, and community activists >assist an international contingent representing nations from India, >Zimbabwe, South Africa, UK, etc. who are part of an organized effort to >develop homes and communities for & with the 'poorest of the poor' of >underdeveloped nations. > >For this past week, I have been working hand in hand with members of >Shack/Slum Dwellers International, Mahila Milan (Women United) and SPARC >(...Area Resource Centers), to construct and erect two full scale models of >a proposed settlement home and a public toilet in the lobby of the UN >General Assembly building (under the watchful eye of a suspendid Sputnik, I >might add!). > >Now that the convention is coming to a close, we have the difficult task of >dismantling these structures and transporting them back across the Hudson >River where they will be reassembled in the Gallery of the NJ School of >Architecture at NJIT for further exhibition. > >It has been a priceless experience to work with people who, with nothing to >lose, have come halfway around the world and unabashedly taken over the >lobby of the UN to draw attention to the dire need for housing and basic >facilities they share with so many. At first extremely aprehensive of us, >the staff and security gradually came to embrace this project and soon >couldn't do enough to help us accomplish what seemed an impossible mission. >All of our work culminated at Tuesday evening's innauguration when their >leader, Jokin, was pointed out for special recognition by the head of the >UN >Habitat Commission, (the housing equivelant of the UN Human Rights >Commission) and UN Chairman, Kofi Anan, stopped by for a tour of our >models. > >And for those architecture students willing to become involved in this >effort, it is a tremendous opportunity to begin to understand how beautiful >designs can develop out of objective conditions and the needs of people >through an open dialogue with the community itself. These are principles >that we can bring back into the studio with us to challenge the strict and >limiting adherance to the purely subjective abstraction and form-for-form's >sake that dominates the current academic process. > >For all willing and able bodies, please meet with us at the rear enterance >of the NJIT Architecture Building (Front faces MLK Blvd & Warren St, >Newark) >9AM Saturday morning, June 9. If you can't make the morning, feel free to >stop by the Architecture building in the afternoon to help reassemble the >panels. > >Thanks all, Matthew Smith (973) 824-2949 for more info. > > >(Carlo, Seb, & others, can you please foward this to the group list and any >other interested parties, as hotmail has been inconveniently deleting >pertinent files from my over-the-limit account) > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
good work, paul. the credit is at the end of the article. it was front page, business section, last week. cliff >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Sarafem: why the Right is truly unhealthy >Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 21:06:42 -0000 > >Here are some notes I cooked up to complement the article on Sarafem >(Prozac >for women) that Cliff sent out. Below my writing is the original article. >I don't know where to credit the article to: can someone attribute it? >Paul > > ------------ > > > >This "new" pre-menstrual disorder and "new" Prozac medication to treat > >"affected" women really sounds like the old "disorder" called HYSTERIA by > >none other than Freud himself, that coke-sniffing misogynist. > > > >That's not an accident: the history of psychiatry, pharmaceuticals and > >authoritarian governance is a broken record. Read on... > > > >This trend dates back to the origins of Psychiatry, which has its > >ultimately groundings in the German chemical industry. > >This imperialist tool helped vault the German economy (check out the > >relations of big industry to Kaiser, Bismarck, Hitler) into a pivotal > >strategic position among nations. > > > >The chemical industry is the basis of the pharmaceutical industry, which > >has always used psychiatry's authority to sell its poisons. > > > >The field of psychiatry was formed in Germany in the 30s or 40s, I'm not > >sure which----it was/became an effective method for pharmaceutical > >companies to market their drugs. The legal drugs industry is >consistently > >the most profitable corporate sector for years now. > > > >Enter the pill-pushers. > > > >The psychiatrists came up with the diagnostic manual called DSM to > >"standardize" the maladies they were allegedly addressing. DSM >definitely > >has connections to Nazi doctors, many of whom emigrated to the US after > >WWII. > > > >Basically DSM is still the standard, updated into its fifth edition not >so > >long ago. It seems that DSM's main purpose is to classify psychological > >phenomena and social behaviors (ones that usually reduce worker > >productivity) as aberrant, attributing their causes to the oft-heard > >"chemical inbalances", but never to social problems. > >So a new diagnosis gets entered into the DSM and how else is it treated? >With legal prescription drugs, of course. > >It just so happens that Prozac has over 100 contraindications and side >effects, including the symptoms it's supposed to treat. No joke. > >But it'll be swallowed by millions of poor women who simply want relief >from >physical and emotional symptoms which are by and large caused by the >poisoned diet of processed sugars, beauty chemicals, environmental toxins, >unhealthy work and life arrangements, etc., that plague most of us. > >So the food and drugs industries and healthcare professionals are all >culpable for enhancing the slowdeath cycle of violence against the womyn in >our lives. > > ----------------- >What are the political ramifications? > >"Blame the individual" is the ideological component of this push to >medicate >women. this marketing scheme, corporate patent maneuvering to protect >super-profits, revolving door for pharmaceutical corps.' agent in and out >of >the very regulatory agencies which govern their businesses::::these are >parts of the highly polished mechanism which is meant to sell us "health". >The insurance companies, insurance lawyers, scamming hospital >conglomerates, >authoritarian zero-tolerance zealots, Right wing politicians, etc., all >benefit from this system. > > > > > > > >>Gift or gimmick? > >> > >> Lilly says Sarafem will help ease a severe > >> premenstrual ailment. Critics call the drug -- > >>Prozac by another name -- a profit ploy > >> > >> These are the qualities Sarafem, a new name > >among > >>prescription drugs, > >> is supposed to create in women who suffer from > >a > >>little-known ailment > >> called PMDD, or premenstrual dysphoric > >disorder, a > >>variant of > >> premenstrual syndrome. > >> > >> The medicine, approved by regulators last year, > >is > >>being widely promoted > >> by its manufacturer, Eli Lilly & Co., as a > >godsend > >>to menstruating women > >> who otherwise would experience severe mood >changes, > >>sadness and > >> irritability. > >> > >> If only it were that simple. > >> > >> A chorus of doctors and insurers say Sarafem is > >>little more than a cleverly > >> timed marketing ploy, because the drug is > >really a > >>renamed version of > >> Prozac. The patent on the blockbuster > >depression > >>medicine expires this > >> summer, and Lilly is scrambling to compensate > >for > >>sales that will be lost to > >> cheaper generics. > >> > >> Fueling the debate is a controversy over PMDD > >>itself. Only 5 percent of > >> women may experience PMDD, which some >psychiatrists > >>believe is > >> questionable ailment. As a result, critics say >Lilly > >>is stigmatizing women by > >> suggesting they suffer from a mental illness > >each > >>month. Rather than > >> demonstrating a genuine interest in women's >health, > >>they charge Lilly's > >> move underscores the lengths to which drug > >makers > >>will go to protect > >> profits. > >> > >> "Lilly has done the wrong thing. Calling it >Sarafem > >>is deceptive. It's sort of > >> like a little white lie," said Mickey Smith, > >>director of the Center for > >> Pharmaceutical Management and Marketing at the > >>University of > >> Mississippi. "There's an insidious element in >this. > >>"They ought to just say > >> they've found a new way to use Prozac." > >> > >> For its part, the Indianapolis-based drug maker > >>maintains it has done > >> nothing wrong. Sarafem was designed in response > >to > >>requests from > >> women and their doctors who were seeking >assistance > >>in treating a > >> little-understood ailment, according to Laura > >>Miller, a Lilly spokeswoman. > >> > >> "PMDD is an underrecognized and undertreated > >>disorder. Women have > >> told us for years that they've been told it's > >>something they have to live > >> with or it's all in their heads," she said. > >Miller > >>also noted that there are > >> other instances in which more than one > >trademark > >>exists for the same > >> drug being used to treat different ailments. > >> > >> Nonetheless, Lilly faces a huge dilemma when it > >>comes to Prozac, which > >> generated $2.6 billion in sales last year. > >Unless > >>Lilly wins a court battle > >> over patents, which Wall Street seems to think > >is > >>unlikely, Prozac sales > >> are forecast to drop by one-third next year, > >>according to Hemant Shah, a > >> securities analyst who follows the drug > >industry. > >> > >> By recasting Prozac as a new drug, though, > >Lilly > >>stands to gain if doctors > >> write prescriptions specifically for Sarafem. >Right > >>now, each drug costs > >> nearly $3 a day for a month's supply. But as > >soon > >>as a generic is > >> available, the cost of Prozac is likely to drop > >by > >>as much as 70 percent, > >> according to the drug industry's usual rule of > >>thumb. > >> > >> However, thanks to quirks in insurance > >coverage, > >>Sarafem would > >> continue to command a higher price that will be >paid > >>by insurers, at least > >> those insurers that agree to underwrite the > >>medication. Under this > >> scenario, Lilly may be able to generate more >revenue > >>than the > >> Indianapolis drug maker might otherwise if it >hadn't > >>conceived Sarafem. > >> > >> "The whole reason they did this is to keep > >sales > >>up," said Terry Leach, > >> director of pharmacy services at Horizon Blue >Cross > >>and Blue Shield of > >> New Jersey. > >> > >> If a doctor writes a prescription for Sarafem, > >the > >>pharmacist can't fill it with > >> a generic Prozac unless they call the doctor > >and > >>get permission to switch, > >> he said. For that reason, Leach said, Lilly has > >>incentive to price Sarafem > >> as a branded product. > >> > >> Of course, not every insurer plans to go along. > >>WellPoint Health > >> Networks, a large health-maintenance > >organization > >>based in Thousands > >> Oaks, Calif., doesn't plan to cover the cost of > >>either Sarafem or Prozac > >> once the generic version becomes available this > >>summer, according to > >> Rob Siedman, the company's chief pharmacy > >officer. > >> > >> Coverage is an issue for others, too. The > >Health > >>Care Payers Coalition of > >> New Jersey, a nonprofit buyers consortium that > >>represents self-funded > >> businesses and labor health plans, recently > >>denounced Lilly for > >> aggressively promoting Sarafem. The group's > >>officials worry that a > >> high-priced drug will be too readily prescribed >for > >>women who do not need > >> it. > >> > >> "This is going to get a lot of women taking >Prozac, > >>a psychotropic drug > >> that effects the brain and has side effects," > >said > >>David Knowlton, a former > >> New Jersey health commissioner and coalition > >>lobbyist. "I'm not saying > >> price isn't an issue, but we're seeing an >escalation > >>in their marketing, > >> which tends to drive people to a drug." > >> > >> Indeed, Lilly's marketing has been aggressive. > >> > >> From August, when the Food and Drug > >Administration > >>approved this new > >> use of Prozac, through January, the drug maker >spent > >>$17 million to > >> promote it to consumers, according to > >Competitive > >>Media Reporting. > >> During the same period, an additional $16 > >million > >>was spent to promote it > >> to doctors and in medical journals, according > >to > >>IMS Health, a > >> market-research firm. > >> > >> Within a few months of launching Sarafem, > >Lilly's > >>advertising ran afoul of > >> regulators. The FDA cited the drug maker for >running > >>a television ad that > >> was "misleading, lacking in fair balance and in > >>violation" of federal law, > >> according to a letter sent last November by the > >>agency to Lilly officials. > >> > >> The 60-second ad showed a frustrated woman > >trying > >>to pull a shopping > >> cart out of a tangled group of carts in front > >of a > >>supermarket. The ad then > >> said: "Think it's PMS? It could be PMDD," but > >it > >>never distinguished > >> between the two illnesses or specifically > >defined > >>PMDD. The FDA > >> complained the ad "trivializes the seriousness > >of > >>PMDD." > >> > >> The ad campaign, which has been prominent in >women's > >>magazines, > >> already has had an effect. Between September > >and > >>February, the > >> number of prescriptions written by doctors for > >>Sarafem increased > >> sevenfold, while the number of prescriptions >written > >>for Prozac declined, > >> according to IMS Health. > >> > >> This trend worries Althea O'Shaughnessy, a >Princeton > >>gynecologist and > >> reproductive endocrinologist. She believes too >many > >>women may react to > >> the Sarafem ads by asking their doctors to > >write > >>prescriptions. But she > >> worries that such requests may be inappropriate > >>because most women > >> never experience PMDD. > >> > >> "The ads make it seem that you just take the > >drug > >>and all the problems > >> go away," O'Shaughnessy said. "I worry that > >>physicians will prescribe it > >> because of patient demand. But it's not a > >wonder > >>drug or a cure-all. And > >> only a very small percentage of women even > >suffer > >>from PMDD. Even > >> PMS is a very loose term for symptoms." > >> > >> The controversy over PMDD was never fully > >settled > >>by the American > >> Psychiatric Association. The organization, > >which > >>oversees diagnoses, lists > >> the ailment in both the appendix and the main > >>section of a widely cited > >> compendium of disorders called the Diagnostic > >and > >>Standards Manual IV, > >> which is the equivalent of the Bible among > >mental- > >>health specialists. > >> > >> But a listing in the appendix is reserved for a > >>diagnosis lacking sufficient > >> evidence for validity, said Sally Severino, a >former > >>professor of psychiatry > >> at the University of New Mexico School of > >Medicine > >>and a member of a > >> specially convened APA round table that, in > >1998, > >>was held to settle the > >> PMDD debate. > >> > >> "The real question is whether PMDD is a valid > >>diagnosis. If it is, you > >> should be able to prove it in some way," she > >said. > >>"But we can't ever > >> seem to get any consistency about what symptoms > >>should qualify for this > >> diagnosis. > >> > >> "It's all very confusing. And by listing it in >both > >>places, the APA is talking > >> out both sides of its mouth." > >> > >> Ed Silverman covers the drug industry and can > >be > >>reached at (973) > >> 392-1542 or esilverman@s... > >> > >> Subscriptions & Contacts | Archives | >Personals > >>| Obituaries > >> > >> � 2001 The Star-Ledger. Used by NJ.com > >with > >>permission. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! 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I'm glad I'm no longer connected to you or your sadistic sarcastic remarks that have no meaning or relevance in today's intellectual society. You are a wanna-be fascist almost revolutionist that wouldn't know the proper end of the revolutionary gun or how to fire it. Who'd want to follow you anyway! You're useless! I no longer wish for you to use my name, say my name or speak my name! As far as I am concerned, you are a nightmare that I'm just waiting to go away! See ya! Curtis L. Warren, Sr.
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampampaign@egroups.com, rugreens@egroups.com, >coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] nazi power rises in italy >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:45:55 -0400 > > JUNE 11, 01:56 EST > >Italy's Berlusconi to Be Sworn In > >By NICOLE WINFIELD >Associated Press Writer > >ROME (AP) � Silvio Berlusconi named key coalition allies to his new >Cabinet, >including the head of the once-fascist National >Alliance and the leader of the often xenophobic Northern League. > >The media baron assumed the premiership Sunday, nearly a month after his >center-right coalition defeated the incumbent >center-left in parliamentary elections on promises of tax cuts, higher >pensions and more jobs. > >His list of 25 nominees � in the works for weeks as he tried to please his >coalition members � was approved quickly by >President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi during a 20-minute meeting at the >presidential palace. > >Berlusconi was to be formally sworn in on Monday, the start of a busy week >for the 64-year-old former cruise ship entertainer. >He will attend a NATO meeting in Brussels on Wednesday and a EU summit in >Goteborg, Sweden, the following two days. > >The premier must then put his government to the mandatory vote of >confidence >in both houses of parliament, where the >conservatives won solid majority in the May 13 elections. The confidence >vote is not expected before June 18. > >``Italians are expecting a lot but the team I've presented today is on top >of the situation,'' Berlusconi said. The Cabinet ``can >ensure innovation, freedom and welfare for all citizens.'' > >His main conservative allies, Gianfranco Fini of the National Alliance and >Northern League leader Umberto Bossi, both >entered the government for the first time. Fini became deputy premier. >Bossi, who wants the central government to cede >powers to local bodies, got the Ministry of Reform. > >The Northern League also secured two other ministries, including justice. > >Bossi, who caused Berlusconi's first government to collapse after seven >months when he withdrew support, had been vocal >about securing high posts for himself and his party the second time around. > >But he said Sunday he was content with what Berlusconi had decided. ``I am >happy because it seems to be a government with >people who have something to say and something to do,'' Bossi said. > >Berlusconi's allies have raised some concerns in Europe for their >anti-immigrant positions. The European Union, however, >shows no intention of imposing sanctions on Italy as it did on Austria when >the far-right party of Joerg Haider entered the >government. > >Piero Fassino, who would have been justice minister had the center-left won >the election, criticized Berlusconi's Cabinet as >``disappointing and by some aspects also disconcerting.'' > >Bossi's post should have gone to someone ``reliable and known for being >able >to speak to the whole nation,'' Fassino said. He >also criticized Berlusconi for not trimming the number of ministers and for >appointing only two women. > >One of Berlusconi's main ministers who is respected in Italy and abroad is >Renato Ruggiero, former chief of the World Trade >Organization. As foreign minister, Ruggiero is expected to maintain Italy's >traditional bipartisan foreign policy. > >Many of the key jobs went to Berlusconi's Forza Italia party, which won 30 >percent of the vote in the May 13 elections. Some >ministers � including Defense Minister Antonio Martino and Economics >Minister Giulio Tremonti � were old faces from his >first tenure as premier in 1994. >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
no room for republicans! >From: citruswar@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] 2bright and skunk soaries next!!!! >Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 23:10:14 EDT > >I'm glad I'm no longer connected to you or your sadistic sarcastic remarks >that have no meaning or relevance in today's intellectual society. > >You are a wanna-be fascist almost revolutionist that wouldn't know the >proper end of the revolutionary gun or how to fire it. Who'd want to >follow you anyway! You're useless! > >I no longer wish for you to use my name, say my name or speak my name! As >far as I am concerned, you are a nightmare that I'm just waiting to go >away! > >See ya! > >Curtis L. Warren, Sr. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
saturday june 23 @ NB public library 1:00 - 4:00
forum/discussion on assembly primary:
-special focus- bury joe egan! move dick barber further left.
unite and organize to build the peoples' democratic workers' party!
two main issues to stomp on egan with:
1. pro-choice < egan is anti-womens' rights over production >
egan must be jumped for this position - local democratic machine
should be held responsible for egan being machine representative
2. egan is anti-democracy < actively worked against elected board
bringing NB to 1st place in worst schools in middlesex
invited speakers:
reginald johnson, metuchen naacp
national organization for women NOW representative
other speaker nominations welcome
for more info contact joe smith 732.729.0390 can_bush@...
Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
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This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... must continue to hammer bush2 administration!! revolutionary democracy must demand - step down from republican party Skunk soaries and fbright! join the peoples' ranks and the struggle for democracy of the majority. The Backslap Backlash JOURNAL By FRANK RICH Washington is still aghast at how a presumed Bush team player can, by one dramatic action, expose the sham of an administration's supposedly invincible people skills and the unfairness of its policies. But such indeed has been the coup � a "coup of one," as Trent Lott might say � pulled off by Jenna Bush. Had George W. Bush conducted a charm offensive when his daughter was hospitalized for an emergency appendectomy at Christmas � rather than fleeing for golf in Boca Grande, Fla. � would she be in open revolt now? By engaging in two underage-drinking ruses in one month � a "crime" likely committed by more college students than not � Jenna Bush has made herself into the No. 1 poster child for the lack of compassion in her father's conservatism. It's Mr. Bush who signed the 1997 three-strikes, "zero tolerance" Texas law that now puts her a margarita away from serving 180 days in jail. The press has spent a ton of time debating whether the travails of the Bush daughters are news. Surely they're as worthy of the cover of People magazine as James Jeffords is of Newsweek. If anything, the Jenna story is a confirmation of the Jeffords. A White House that has been relentlessly marketed as a model of Fortune 500 efficiency and backslapping bonhomie turns out to have minimal intelligence about the whereabouts of its own party members, let alone the first children. Shouldn't Mr. Jeffords have been kept in tow by all those goofy, loyalty-inducing presidential nicknames we kept hearing about? Guess he didn't have one � unless it was "Quirky," the word invoked by the Bush handlers Ari Fleischer and Karen Hughes to belittle the senator once he was out the door. On TV, Ms. Hughes has tried to argue that the Jeffords defection was utterly anomalous because President Bush has "met with record numbers of members of Congress, more than any modern president." But besides being both unlikely (according to historians) and unverifiable (according to the statistics available at the J.F.K. and F.D.R. presidential libraries), her claim is also irrelevant. Quality matters, not quantity. However many meetings there were, the ones that might matter most � with Mr. Jeffords, John McCain, Tom Daschle and Lincoln Chafee � were hastily moved to the top of the president's dance card only in the past two weeks, after it became clear the Senate was already lost. The political incompetence that led to Mr. Jeffords's defection hardly squares with the prevailing Beltway view of the Bush White House during its first 100 days. That view, as usual, is best articulated by Washington's Dean, the pundit David Broder, who in February gave the new administration high grades for having "a abinet of C.E.O.'s, made up mainly of men and women who have run large enterprises." But of course it's exactly the C.E.O.-itis exemplified by Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul O'Neill that led the administration to be blindsided, taking the Jeffords rebellion seriously only days after it had been reported by such obscure news outlets as CNN. As one veteran of past administrations and the corporate world puts it: "C.E.O.'s are used to flying their own planes, seeing only their own subordinates and being accountable to no one. They are profoundly certain of their own value system. They have contempt for the public and the press. They have none of the accountability required of a president of the United States." Such arrogance is the real story of this White House thus far. The administration proceeds on the belief that no one would possibly question its wisdom and that anything can be sold with the proper marketing strategy and enough repetition of an unvarying script. If the president is known for "reaching out" and "building bridges," as we're constantly told, it must be so, even if the Jeffords fiasco proves it wildly false. If he says it's possible to have a huge tax cut while building a missile shield and without dipping into the Social Security and Medicare piggy banks, it must be so, even if the numbers don't remotely add up. So goes this cognitive-dissonance presidency. �� Perhaps it's the ease with which the White House walked over the Democrats on the way to the tax cut that has accelerated this brand of subterfuge. These days, with impressive brazenness, almost every Bush photo op belies what his administration is actually up to. � In a five-day period the president appeared at two national parks, Sequoia and the Everglades, dressed in more earth tones than Al Gore at his most craven. The message, of course, is that Mr. Bush likes hugging trees almost as much as he does African-American schoolchildren. But in fact his environmental record remains unchanged. He shows no signs of opposing drilling off Florida's Gulf Coast (though even his brother is against it) or of opposing the development of a commercial airport not far from the Everglades' border. The National Parks Conservation Association gives his record a D thus far, noting that his modest increase in the parks budget is more for buildings and roads than for preserving nature. � In his commencement address at Notre Dame, among other religious venues, Mr. Bush has repeatedly praised the power of faith-based charities. But according to The Washington Post, the administration very quietly stopped pushing its promised boon to charities in the tax bill: a deduction for charitable contributions for those taxpayers who don't itemize on their returns. Not only did the White House let that provision die to preserve its main goal, a top-heavy reduction of tax rates, but in fighting for an end to the estate tax it has also eliminated an added incentive for the wealthy to donate to charity. � In Philadelphia in mid-May, Mr. Bush posed in front of a sea of police officers to push a plan to hire more prosecutors to enforce existing gun laws. But three days later Attorney General John Ashcroft wrote a letter to the National Rifle Association endorsing an interpretation of the Second Amendment that could in fact gut existing gun laws. Some of those cops standing behind the president may also be gutted, for in its budget the administration has asked for a 17 percent decrease in COPS, the federal program that provides money for police salaries. � Mr. Bush has repeatedly visited various Boys and Girls Clubs, touting them as an example of how the government can "facilitate programs" for kids and promote "the universal concept of loving a neighbor." In his budget, federal money for Boys and Girls Clubs is eliminated entirely. Even the first lady has been enlisted in these bait-and-switch shenanigans. Laura Bush appeared at a Washington public library in April to kick off "the Campaign for America's Libraries" � just one week before her husband's budget cut the federal outlay for libraries by $39 million. Photo ops are nothing new in the modern American presidency, but didn't they use to occasionally dramatize a president's policies rather than disguise them? It's now reaching the point that a smiling Bush appearance blessing any cause, program or habitat is tantamount to a visit from the angel of death. Once Senator Jeffords blew the whistle on the White House's invincibility, the Beltway establishment started to get at least some of this picture; the Dean, for one, declared that "almost overnight" the president had been transformed from an "aspiring Ronald Reagan" to a potential failure. But in truth Mr. Bush hasn't changed, it's just the Washington perception of him that has. And the country, as usual, is ahead of the capital. The new ABC News/Washington Post poll shows the president's approval rating sinking to a mediocre 55 percent � even with rebate checks on the way. The two- point spread favoring Democratic policies over Republican mimics the election spread between the combined Gore-Nader vote and the G.O.P. ticket last fall. Even Mr. Bush's vow to "change the tone" and be a "uniter, not a divider" is no longer standing up to scrutiny. With Mr. Lott declaring "war" on the Democrats, William Bennett calling John McCain a "crybaby," Larry Craig, an administration ally in the Senate, labeling Republican moderates as "weak sisters," and Mr. Jeffords driven to enlisting bodyguards, it's hard to imagine how the tone could get much worse. Against a backdrop of Republican "civility" this rancorous, a Democrat as partisan as Tom Daschle starts to look like Gandhi. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/09/opinion/09RICH.html?ex=993201347&ei=&en=679695063d712464> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Justices: Religious Clubs Can Meet in Schools By ANNE GEARAN .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (June 11) - The Supreme Court ruled in a church-state battle Monday that religious groups must be allowed to meet in public schools after class hours. In a 6-3 decision that lowered the figurative wall of separation between church and state, the justices said a New York public school district must let a Christian youth group, the Good News Club, hold after-school meetings for grade-school children to pray and study the Bible. Justice Stephen Breyer, usually a moderate-to-liberal vote on the court, joined the five most conservative members - Chief Justice William Rehnquist, Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas - in partial support of the religious club's request. Justices John Paul Stevens, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented. The majority found that excluding the club was unconstitutional discrimination based on the club's views. Letting the meeting take place would not be an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion, the court ruled. The Constitution's First Amendment protects free speech and the free exercise of religion, but it also bars government establishment of religion. The Milford School District in upstate New York had argued that allowing the Good News Club to hold what school officials called ''the equivalent of religious worship'' at the school would amount to a school endorsement of Christianity over other religions. The Good News Club said the school was discriminating against it based on its views. The youth group's members range from age 5 to 12 and its meetings include Bible stories, prayers and teaching children to ''give God first place in your life.'' The club has met at a local church since the school denied its 1996 request to use the school building after 3 p.m. on school days. Club leader Darleen Fournier cheered the court's ruling and downplayed the church-state debate. ''It has nothing to do with school, it's just using a school building after hours,'' she said Monday. ''We don't want the government mandating prayer over the public address system or something like that.'' Administrators from the Milford school district did not immediately return a call seeking comment. Barry Lynn, director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called the decision a ''terrible mistake.'' ''The court's ruling means aggressive fundamentalist evangelists have a new way to proselytize school kids.'' The Supreme Court has long wrangled with the question of religion in the public schools. The justices banned organized prayer during class hours in the early 1960s, and in the past decade banned clergy-led prayer at high school graduation ceremonies and student-led prayer at high school football games. But the court also ruled in 1993 that a New York public school must let a religious group use its building in the evening to show Christian movies. In cases involving the use of public money for church-run schools, the justices allowed taxpayer-funded computers and remedial help by public school teachers at religious schools. The Milford school has had a policy since 1992 allowing community use of its building after class hours for ''social, civic and recreational meetings'' and other uses for the community's welfare. The Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts and 4-H Club are among the groups that have met at the school. The school district's lawyers contended that because the Good News Club's members were grade-school age and the meetings would be held immediately after school, some children might be lead to believe the school district endorsed the club's religious message. The Good News Club contended the school was discriminating against it while allowing other groups such as the Boy Scouts to teach moral values inside the school building. A federal judge and the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the school district's policy. Monday, the Supreme Court reversed that decision and sent the case back to the lower court. By letting other groups use the school after hours, school officials created a public forum, the court found. ''When Milford denied the Good News Club access to the school's limited public forum on the ground that the club was religious in nature, it discriminated against the club because of its religious viewpoint in violation of the free-speech clause of the First Amendment,'' Thomas wrote for the majority. AP-NY-06-11-01 1250EDT Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
fbright's mother should have had an abortion! joe >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Too Legit to Quit! >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:01:10 EDT > >Justices: Religious Clubs Can Meet in Schools > >By ANNE GEARAN >.c The Associated Press > >WASHINGTON (June 11) - The Supreme Court ruled in a church-state battle >Monday that religious groups must be allowed to meet in public schools >after >class hours. > >In a 6-3 decision that lowered the figurative wall of separation between >church and state, the justices said a New York public school district must >let a Christian youth group, the Good News Club, hold after-school meetings >for grade-school children to pray and study the Bible. > >Justice Stephen Breyer, usually a moderate-to-liberal vote on the court, >joined the five most conservative members - Chief Justice William >Rehnquist, >Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas - >in >partial support of the religious club's request. Justices John Paul >Stevens, >Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented. > >The majority found that excluding the club was unconstitutional >discrimination based on the club's views. Letting the meeting take place >would not be an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion, the >court ruled. > >The Constitution's First Amendment protects free speech and the free >exercise >of religion, but it also bars government establishment of religion. > >The Milford School District in upstate New York had argued that allowing >the >Good News Club to hold what school officials called ''the equivalent of >religious worship'' at the school would amount to a school endorsement of >Christianity over other religions. > >The Good News Club said the school was discriminating against it based on >its >views. > >The youth group's members range from age 5 to 12 and its meetings include >Bible stories, prayers and teaching children to ''give God first place in >your life.'' The club has met at a local church since the school denied its >1996 request to use the school building after 3 p.m. on school days. > >Club leader Darleen Fournier cheered the court's ruling and downplayed the >church-state debate. > >''It has nothing to do with school, it's just using a school building after >hours,'' she said Monday. ''We don't want the government mandating prayer >over the public address system or something like that.'' > >Administrators from the Milford school district did not immediately return >a >call seeking comment. > >Barry Lynn, director of Americans United for Separation of Church and >State, >called the decision a ''terrible mistake.'' > >''The court's ruling means aggressive fundamentalist evangelists have a new >way to proselytize school kids.'' > >The Supreme Court has long wrangled with the question of religion in the >public schools. The justices banned organized prayer during class hours in >the early 1960s, and in the past decade banned clergy-led prayer at high >school graduation ceremonies and student-led prayer at high school football >games. > >But the court also ruled in 1993 that a New York public school must let a >religious group use its building in the evening to show Christian movies. > >In cases involving the use of public money for church-run schools, the >justices allowed taxpayer-funded computers and remedial help by public >school >teachers at religious schools. > >The Milford school has had a policy since 1992 allowing community use of >its >building after class hours for ''social, civic and recreational meetings'' >and other uses for the community's welfare. The Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts and >4-H Club are among the groups that have met at the school. > >The school district's lawyers contended that because the Good News Club's >members were grade-school age and the meetings would be held immediately >after school, some children might be lead to believe the school district >endorsed the club's religious message. > >The Good News Club contended the school was discriminating against it while >allowing other groups such as the Boy Scouts to teach moral values inside >the >school building. A federal judge and the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals >upheld the school district's policy. > >Monday, the Supreme Court reversed that decision and sent the case back to >the lower court. > >By letting other groups use the school after hours, school officials >created >a public forum, the court found. > >''When Milford denied the Good News Club access to the school's limited >public forum on the ground that the club was religious in nature, it >discriminated against the club because of its religious viewpoint in >violation of the free-speech clause of the First Amendment,'' Thomas wrote >for the majority. > > AP-NY-06-11-01 1250EDT > >Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP >news >report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed >without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. 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BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT RESOLVE. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT SPEECH. BO/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT SPEECH. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT LIVELIHOOD. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE RIGHT ACTION. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT EFFORT. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT MINDFULNESS. BOL/SWORD DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT CONCENTRATION. ALL IN ALL.,BOL/SWORD IS NOT RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
IS BOL/SWORD IRRATIONAL? IS BOL/SWORD PESSIMISTIC? IS BOL/SWORD NIHILISTIC? IS BOL/SWORD LYING? IS BOL/SWORD USING ILLICIT DRUGS OR LIQUOR? THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW!!!
HOW DO YOU SEE YOUR FUTURE? UNHEALTHY, BROKE, ALONE, WEARING DIAPERS IN A NURSING HOME. NO RISK. NO REWARD. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Not only is there a room for Republicans ... there's a womb for Republicans, Joe!
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What a mindless response....so here's mine.
Erric Z.
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From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...]
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To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
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fbright's mother should have had an abortion!
joe
>From: FBRIGHT123@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Too Legit to Quit!
>Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:01:10 EDT
>
>Justices: Religious Clubs Can Meet in Schools
>
>By ANNE GEARAN
>.c The Associated Press
>
>WASHINGTON (June 11) - The Supreme Court ruled in a church-state battle
>Monday that religious groups must be allowed to meet in public schools
>after
>class hours.
>
>In a 6-3 decision that lowered the figurative wall of separation between
>church and state, the justices said a New York public school district
must
>let a Christian youth group, the Good News Club, hold after-school
meetings
>for grade-school children to pray and study the Bible.
>
>Justice Stephen Breyer, usually a moderate-to-liberal vote on the court,
>joined the five most conservative members - Chief Justice William
>Rehnquist,
>Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence
Thomas -
>in
>partial support of the religious club's request. Justices John Paul
>Stevens,
>Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented.
>
>The majority found that excluding the club was unconstitutional
>discrimination based on the club's views. Letting the meeting take place
>would not be an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion, the
>court ruled.
>
>The Constitution's First Amendment protects free speech and the free
>exercise
>of religion, but it also bars government establishment of religion.
>
>The Milford School District in upstate New York had argued that allowing
>the
>Good News Club to hold what school officials called ''the equivalent of
>religious worship'' at the school would amount to a school endorsement of
>Christianity over other religions.
>
>The Good News Club said the school was discriminating against it based on
>its
>views.
>
>The youth group's members range from age 5 to 12 and its meetings include
>Bible stories, prayers and teaching children to ''give God first place in
>your life.'' The club has met at a local church since the school denied
its
>1996 request to use the school building after 3 p.m. on school days.
>
>Club leader Darleen Fournier cheered the court's ruling and downplayed
the
>church-state debate.
>
>''It has nothing to do with school, it's just using a school building
after
>hours,'' she said Monday. ''We don't want the government mandating prayer
>over the public address system or something like that.''
>
>Administrators from the Milford school district did not immediately
return
>a
>call seeking comment.
>
>Barry Lynn, director of Americans United for Separation of Church and
>State,
>called the decision a ''terrible mistake.''
>
>''The court's ruling means aggressive fundamentalist evangelists have a
new
>way to proselytize school kids.''
>
>The Supreme Court has long wrangled with the question of religion in the
>public schools. The justices banned organized prayer during class hours
in
>the early 1960s, and in the past decade banned clergy-led prayer at high
>school graduation ceremonies and student-led prayer at high school
football
>games.
>
>But the court also ruled in 1993 that a New York public school must let a
>religious group use its building in the evening to show Christian movies.
>
>In cases involving the use of public money for church-run schools, the
>justices allowed taxpayer-funded computers and remedial help by public
>school
>teachers at religious schools.
>
>The Milford school has had a policy since 1992 allowing community use of
>its
>building after class hours for ''social, civic and recreational
meetings''
>and other uses for the community's welfare. The Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts
and
>4-H Club are among the groups that have met at the school.
>
>The school district's lawyers contended that because the Good News Club's
>members were grade-school age and the meetings would be held immediately
>after school, some children might be lead to believe the school district
>endorsed the club's religious message.
>
>The Good News Club contended the school was discriminating against it
while
>allowing other groups such as the Boy Scouts to teach moral values inside
>the
>school building. A federal judge and the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals
>upheld the school district's policy.
>
>Monday, the Supreme Court reversed that decision and sent the case back
to
>the lower court.
>
>By letting other groups use the school after hours, school officials
>created
>a public forum, the court found.
>
>''When Milford denied the Good News Club access to the school's limited
>public forum on the ground that the club was religious in nature, it
>discriminated against the club because of its religious viewpoint in
>violation of the free-speech clause of the First Amendment,'' Thomas
wrote
>for the majority.
>
> AP-NY-06-11-01 1250EDT
>
>Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP
>news
>report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise
distributed
>without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active
>hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
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even a tomb. cliff >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: join the people >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 06:47:48 EDT > > > >Not only is there a room for Republicans ... there's a womb for >Republicans, >Joe! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Korean labor protests escalate, joined
by hospital workers
By PAUL SHIN
The Associated Press
6/12/01 9:01 PM
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Thousands of nurses and
hospital workers
walked off their jobs Wednesday, escalating a day-
old nationwide strike
that has hobbled South Korea's two airlines.
After overnight negotiations with their unions
broke down, Korean Air and
Asiana Airlines said they had to curtail by more
than half their scheduled
flights for a second straight day.
The protests were part of a nationwide strike
called by the Korean
Confederation of Trade Unions, an umbrella labor
group, to press
demands for higher wages and better working
conditions.
The confederation, which has been responsible for
many violent protests,
predicted that the second-day of the strike would
be bigger than the
first-day walkout which it claimed drew 55,000
workers from 125 locations.
The government said, however, that the number of
the second-day
strikers could be smaller than predicted by the
confederation after four
hospital unions reached agreement on wage hikes in
overnight
negotiations.
Strike organizers said 10,000 nurses, clerks and
utility workers at 50
general hospitals in Seoul and elsewhere were
scheduled to join the
nationwide strike by June 20.
Despite the strike, essential staffers will
continue to operate in emergency
and delivery rooms and intensive care units, they
said.
In addition to financial benefits, workers
complain that corporate reforms,
pushed by President Kim Dae-jung, are causing mass
layoffs. Kim says
restructuring is a painful but inevitable medicine
for the economy, which is
recovering from the 1997-1998 Asian financial
crisis.
Besides the airlines, most of the other work sites
affected by the indefinite
walkout were in the metals and chemical
industries.
The focus of the labor protests was seen as the
participation of the pilots'
union of Korean and Air and the non-pilot union of
Asiana Airlines which
sought wage hikes of up to 21 percent.
The airline strike is the worst in South Korea's
aviation history. Korean
Air's pilots' union ended a one-day strike last
year after getting a hefty 44
percent pay hike.
For the second straight day on Wednesday, Korean
Air, the nation's
largest carrier, canceled 66 of its scheduled 356
domestic and
international flights. Asiana's international
flights were unaffected but its
domestic flights were cut by half.
Korean Air also canceled 17 of its 22
international cargo flights on
Wednesday.
No serious confusion was reported at airports,
however, as many
passengers changed or canceled their reservations
in anticipation of the
strike.
State prosecutors, armed with court-issued
warrants, were trying to arrest
14 Korean Air union leaders.
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights
reserved. This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or
redistributed.
please clarify. cliff --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: > COME TO TRUE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY & N. J. ASSEMBLY ISSUES AT THE > GEORGE STREET COO-OP, INC. ON 89 MORRIS STREET IN NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. > 08901 > > DATE: MONDAY, JUNE 25,2001 > > TIME: 6:00PM TO 9:00PM > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
McGreevey should join the people and back a law outlawing racial profiling - Franks would outlaw racial profiling. Panel finds no takers on plan to limit car searches 06/12/01 BY ROBERT SCHWANEBERG AND JOE DONOHUE STAR-LEDGER STAFF The Senate Judiciary Committee released its proposals yesterday for eradicating racial profiling, but the key recommendation -- a gubernatorial order banning troopers from asking permission to search a car -- was dead on arrival. Acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco has said he will not ban so-called "consent searches." The three leading candidates to succeed him all said consent searches, if properly used, are a valuable crime prevention tool. Other key proposals, such as independent oversight of the State Police and Attorney General's Office and making it a crime to target minority motorists based on their race, were opposed by some candidates and got a lukewarm reception from others. The committee had outlined the recommendations prior to releasing the full report yesterday. Rae Hutton, a spokeswoman for DiFrancesco, said the acting governor will discuss the report with Attorney General John Farmer Jr. and had not yet taken a position on many of the recommendations. The report is the product of nine days of Senate Judiciary Committee hearings featuring 45 witnesses, an examination of nearly 100,000 pages of documents and more than 150 hours of interviews and depositions. Committee Chairman William Gormley (R-Atlantic) said the panel likely will move forward later this month with bills that would enact several of the proposed reforms -- including making racial profiling a crime. The report also endorsed bills requiring that State Police records be maintained for 10 years, establishing a hotline for citizens to report misconduct by state troopers, making it a crime to tamper with video cameras in patrol cars and requiring troopers to fill out a report for every motor vehicle they stop. The panel said State Police should be immediately prohibited from conducting consent searches on major highways. It recommended that such a ban be imposed by an executive order that would allow a future governor to lift the ban once the state can better monitor troopers and ensure they do not use their powers in racially discriminatory ways. Consent searches are under attack in the face of overwhelming evidence that they have been used as a pretext for racial profiling. In its 116-page report, the committee noted that despite reforms intended to eradicate racial profiling, 71 percent of the consent searches conducted on the New Jersey Turnpike last year involved minorities and had "negligible" returns. For every Hispanic motorist caught with contraband, 19 others were subjected to the embarrassment and inconvenience of a roadside search, according to the report. The committee concluded "that the possible utility of consent searches is outweighed by the violations of civil rights accompanying their abuse." But the idea of scrapping consent searches -- which had been floated in advance of the report's official release -- appears doomed. It is opposed by Democratic gubernatorial candidate and Woodbridge Mayor Jim McGreevey as well as the two Republican contenders, Jersey City Mayor Bret Schundler and former Rep. Bob Franks. "I don't see any benefit to narrowing fully legitimate, constitutional police powers," Schundler said. Franks said that eliminating consent searches would let "gun runners and drug dealers go free." He favored training law enforcement personnel "to conduct fair, truly voluntary and unbiased searches according to objective criteria." McGreevey "believes handcuffing police officers is not the way to remedy the absence of leadership that is one of the root causes of profiling," said his spokesman, Richard McGrath. The only candidate who would even consider banning consent searches is Sen. William Schluter (R-Mercer), a maverick Republican running for governor as an independent. He said they are "terribly intimidating" and border on a violation of the U.S. Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches. In a five-page minority report, the four Democratic members of the Judiciary Committee called for banning consent searches by enacting a law. But Gormley said that if the governor and leading gubernatorial candidates are not willing to ban the searches by executive order, "there doesn't seem to be a likelihood they'd sign a similar law." The proposal to ban consent searches is the second major recommendation of the 11-member Senate Judiciary Committee to fall by the wayside. Earlier, its unanimous recommendation that state Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero be impeached for mishandling the racial profiling issue when he was attorney general and lying about it to lawmakers was stymied by Assembly Speaker Jack Collins (R-Salem). The fate of other proposals may hinge on who becomes the next governor. Schundler endorsed the committee's recommendation for psychological testing of State Police applicants to weed out bigots -- something that he said Jersey City already does and the state "should be doing." Franks took the opposite view, saying "no psychological test yet devised will reliably identify bigots." McGreevey believes psychological testing of troopers "may have some simplistic appeal," but would have to be thoroughly analyzed, McGrath said. Schundler said that making racial profiling a crime rather than a matter for police discipline would require the state to provide officers with defense lawyers every time a motorist complains of bias and would make police leery of stopping anyone. "It's overkill," he said. McGreevey also questioned this proposal. Franks said he supports it: "Racial profiling is and should be against the law." The candidates questioned the committee's recommendation that misconduct within the State Police and Attorney General's Office be investigated by an Office of Professional Responsibility that would answer to an independent review board. The committee said such independent oversight would eliminate conflicts of interest that arise when the Attorney General's Office must act as both the legal adviser, supervisor and investigator of the State Police. Franks, however, said it is up to the State Police superintendent, the attorney general and ultimately the governor to ensure that state troopers do their jobs properly. "A civilian review board will inevitably become an excuse for our elected and appointed leaders to shirk their responsibilities, and therefore I oppose it," Franks said. Schundler said he would want to see how similar review boards have worked elsewhere. McGreevey also wants time to review the specifics of that proposal, but McGrath said "he believes internal police review boards can be much more effective than outside civilian review boards provided they're given the leadership and authority to enforce standards." Both Schundler and McGreevey said that, if elected, they would replace State Police Superintendent Col. Carson Dunbar, who was brought in two years ago to implement reforms of the agency. Franks said he wanted to meet with Dunbar before making any decision. The Democrats on the Judiciary Committee said the report "fails to explicitly discuss" the "failure of leadership at the highest levels of the Department of Law and Public Safety" that "permitted the racial profiling problem to be ignored or concealed for many years." Ed Lennon, president of the State Troopers Fraternal Association, said that making troopers issue a report every time they stop a car would create paperwork "for no reason." He said the number of consent searches has dwindled so much, "I don't see where there's a problem or any need to end consent searches." Subscriptions & Contacts | Archives | Personals | Obituaries ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- 2001 The Star-Ledger. Used by NJ.com with permission.
I AM HAVING A FORUM ABOUT TRUE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY & N.J. ASSEMBLY ISSUES FOR GENUINEY NICE PEOPLE WHO ARE HONEST TO ME AND REAL TO THEMSELVES. THIS IS NOT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FAKE AND RUDE AND THINK ARE BETTER. EVERYONE IS EQUAL IN MY EYES. THIS FORUM WILL BE AT THE GEORGE STREET CO-OP, INC. ON 89 MORRIS STREET IN NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. 08901 DATE:MONDAY, JUNE 25, 2001 TIME:6;00PM TO 9:00PM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
you should give up your seat on the housing authority to a resident of public housing or else stop claiming to understand what it means to represent people. joe >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: McGreevey Disclaims Outlawing Racial Profiling >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:28:00 EDT > > >McGreevey should join the people and back a law outlawing racial profiling >- >Franks would outlaw racial profiling. > > > >Panel finds no takers on plan to limit car searches > >06/12/01 > >BY ROBERT SCHWANEBERG AND JOE DONOHUE >STAR-LEDGER STAFF > > >The Senate Judiciary Committee released its proposals yesterday for >eradicating racial profiling, but the key recommendation -- a gubernatorial >order banning troopers from asking permission to search a car -- was dead >on >arrival. > > >Acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco has said he will not ban so-called "consent >searches." The three leading candidates to succeed him all said consent >searches, if properly used, are a valuable crime prevention tool. > > >Other key proposals, such as independent oversight of the State Police and >Attorney General's Office and making it a crime to target minority >motorists >based on their race, were opposed by some candidates and got a lukewarm >reception from others. The committee had outlined the recommendations prior >to releasing the full report yesterday. > > >Rae Hutton, a spokeswoman for DiFrancesco, said the acting governor will >discuss the report with Attorney General John Farmer Jr. and had not yet >taken a position on many of the recommendations. > > >The report is the product of nine days of Senate Judiciary Committee >hearings >featuring 45 witnesses, an examination of nearly 100,000 pages of documents >and more than 150 hours of interviews and depositions. Committee Chairman >William Gormley (R-Atlantic) said the panel likely will move forward later >this month with bills that would enact several of the proposed reforms -- >including making racial profiling a crime. > > >The report also endorsed bills requiring that State Police records be >maintained for 10 years, establishing a hotline for citizens to report >misconduct by state troopers, making it a crime to tamper with video >cameras >in patrol cars and requiring troopers to fill out a report for every motor >vehicle they stop. > > >The panel said State Police should be immediately prohibited from >conducting >consent searches on major highways. It recommended that such a ban be >imposed >by an executive order that would allow a future governor to lift the ban >once >the state can better monitor troopers and ensure they do not use their >powers >in racially discriminatory ways. > > >Consent searches are under attack in the face of overwhelming evidence that >they have been used as a pretext for racial profiling. > > >In its 116-page report, the committee noted that despite reforms intended >to >eradicate racial profiling, 71 percent of the consent searches conducted on >the New Jersey Turnpike last year involved minorities and had "negligible" >returns. > > >For every Hispanic motorist caught with contraband, 19 others were >subjected >to the embarrassment and inconvenience of a roadside search, according to >the >report. The committee concluded "that the possible utility of consent >searches is outweighed by the violations of civil rights accompanying their >abuse." > > >But the idea of scrapping consent searches -- which had been floated in >advance of the report's official release -- appears doomed. It is opposed >by >Democratic gubernatorial candidate and Woodbridge Mayor Jim McGreevey as >well >as the two Republican contenders, Jersey City Mayor Bret Schundler and >former >Rep. Bob Franks. > > >"I don't see any benefit to narrowing fully legitimate, constitutional >police >powers," Schundler said. > > >Franks said that eliminating consent searches would let "gun runners and >drug >dealers go free." He favored training law enforcement personnel "to conduct >fair, truly voluntary and unbiased searches according to objective >criteria." > > >McGreevey "believes handcuffing police officers is not the way to remedy >the >absence of leadership that is one of the root causes of profiling," said >his >spokesman, Richard McGrath. > > >The only candidate who would even consider banning consent searches is Sen. >William Schluter (R-Mercer), a maverick Republican running for governor as >an >independent. He said they are "terribly intimidating" and border on a >violation of the U.S. Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches. > > >In a five-page minority report, the four Democratic members of the >Judiciary >Committee called for banning consent searches by enacting a law. But >Gormley >said that if the governor and leading gubernatorial candidates are not >willing to ban the searches by executive order, "there doesn't seem to be a >likelihood they'd sign a similar law." > > >The proposal to ban consent searches is the second major recommendation of >the 11-member Senate Judiciary Committee to fall by the wayside. > > >Earlier, its unanimous recommendation that state Supreme Court Justice >Peter >Verniero be impeached for mishandling the racial profiling issue when he >was >attorney general and lying about it to lawmakers was stymied by Assembly >Speaker Jack Collins (R-Salem). > > >The fate of other proposals may hinge on who becomes the next governor. > > >Schundler endorsed the committee's recommendation for psychological testing >of State Police applicants to weed out bigots -- something that he said >Jersey City already does and the state "should be doing." Franks took the >opposite view, saying "no psychological test yet devised will reliably >identify bigots." McGreevey believes psychological testing of troopers "may >have some simplistic appeal," but would have to be thoroughly analyzed, >McGrath said. > > >Schundler said that making racial profiling a crime rather than a matter >for >police discipline would require the state to provide officers with defense >lawyers every time a motorist complains of bias and would make police leery >of stopping anyone. "It's overkill," he said. > > >McGreevey also questioned this proposal. Franks said he supports it: >"Racial >profiling is and should be against the law." > > >The candidates questioned the committee's recommendation that misconduct >within the State Police and Attorney General's Office be investigated by an >Office of Professional Responsibility that would answer to an independent >review board. The committee said such independent oversight would eliminate >conflicts of interest that arise when the Attorney General's Office must >act >as both the legal adviser, supervisor and investigator of the State Police. > > >Franks, however, said it is up to the State Police superintendent, the >attorney general and ultimately the governor to ensure that state troopers >do >their jobs properly. > > >"A civilian review board will inevitably become an excuse for our elected >and >appointed leaders to shirk their responsibilities, and therefore I oppose >it," Franks said. > > >Schundler said he would want to see how similar review boards have worked >elsewhere. McGreevey also wants time to review the specifics of that >proposal, but McGrath said "he believes internal police review boards can >be >much more effective than outside civilian review boards provided they're >given the leadership and authority to enforce standards." > > >Both Schundler and McGreevey said that, if elected, they would replace >State >Police Superintendent Col. Carson Dunbar, who was brought in two years ago >to >implement reforms of the agency. Franks said he wanted to meet with Dunbar >before making any decision. > > >The Democrats on the Judiciary Committee said the report "fails to >explicitly >discuss" the "failure of leadership at the highest levels of the Department >of Law and Public Safety" that "permitted the racial profiling problem to >be >ignored or concealed for many years." > > >Ed Lennon, president of the State Troopers Fraternal Association, said that >making troopers issue a report every time they stop a car would create >paperwork "for no reason." He said the number of consent searches has >dwindled so much, "I don't see where there's a problem or any need to end >consent searches." > > > > >Subscriptions & Contacts | Archives | Personals | Obituaries >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- >� 2001 The Star-Ledger. Used by NJ.com with permission. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe, It is useless trying to apply rationality to your methodology of agitation but, let's try... If you followed through and got a legal opinion from the state, HUD, county or City Attorney Hamilton, then you would hear that it is Harris which is the illegal member, according to the law. According to the people, they would rather have her leave, also. You would not know that as you have not been to the NBHA meetings to hear the concerns of the residents. When you have gone to Schwartz Robeson, you have alienated the residents, with your agitational methods, so much so that they think you are disrespectful and, moreover, they think you are the People's Campaign. NBHA meetings are on the fourth Wednesday of the month at 6:30 pm at the Schwartz Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. City Attorney Hamilton gave the legal advice to the City Council at a City Council meeting which you failed to attend. Best regards...
fuck yourself bright next time i see you you better have the money you owe us. joe >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] stop lying, Joe >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:56:08 EDT > > >Joe, > >It is useless trying to apply rationality to your methodology of agitation >but, let's try... > >If you followed through and got a legal opinion from the state, HUD, county >or City Attorney Hamilton, then you would hear that it is Harris which is >the >illegal member, according to the law. According to the people, they would >rather have her leave, also. You would not know that as you have not been >to >the NBHA meetings to hear the concerns of the residents. When you have gone >to Schwartz Robeson, you have alienated the residents, with your >agitational >methods, so much so that they think you are disrespectful and, moreover, >they >think you are the People's Campaign. > >NBHA meetings are on the fourth Wednesday of the month at 6:30 pm at the >Schwartz Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. > >City Attorney Hamilton gave the legal advice to the City Council at a City >Council meeting which you failed to attend. > >Best regards... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Take it easy, Joe. I should get my Mao book back at the same time. Remember, I lent it to you(s).
LOL! BOL/SWORD/MAFIA > fuck yourself bright > next time i see you you better have the money you owe us. > > joe > > > >From: FBRIGHT123@... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] stop lying, Joe > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:56:08 EDT > > > > > >Joe, > > > >It is useless trying to apply rationality to your methodology of agitation > >but, let's try... > > > >If you followed through and got a legal opinion from the state, HUD, county > >or City Attorney Hamilton, then you would hear that it is Harris which is > >the > >illegal member, according to the law. According to the people, they would > >rather have her leave, also. You would not know that as you have not been > >to > >the NBHA meetings to hear the concerns of the residents. When you have gone > >to Schwartz Robeson, you have alienated the residents, with your > >agitational > >methods, so much so that they think you are disrespectful and, moreover, > >they > >think you are the People's Campaign. > > > >NBHA meetings are on the fourth Wednesday of the month at 6:30 pm at the > >Schwartz Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. > > > >City Attorney Hamilton gave the legal advice to the City Council at a City > >Council meeting which you failed to attend. > > > >Best regards... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
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ACTION ALERT: "Political Dynamite" Fails to Explode
Extreme proposals of Treasury's O'Neill mostly unreported
June 13, 2001
When a high-level government official calls for drastic changes in U.S. law,
it ought to be big news. But in an interview reported by the Financial
Times' Amity Shlaes (5/19/01 & 5/22/01), treasury secretary Paul O'Neill
called for sweeping changes in U.S. tax and social policy, and some three
weeks later, those statements have made hardly a ripple in the U.S. media.
Most Americans have probably not heard a word about them.
In the interview, O'Neill called the current U.S. tax system "an
abomination" that required changes to its "very structure." His preferred
changes? O'Neill "absolutely" supports the elimination of taxes on
corporations-- and the shifting of the tax burden to individuals, saying
government would work better if it "collected taxes in a more direct way
from the people."
He also called for the abolition of Social Security and Medicare, on the
grounds that "able-bodied adults should save enough on a regular basis so
that they can provide for their own retirement, and, for that matter, health
and medical needs." In fact, O'Neill believes the U.S. should reconsider the
whole purpose of taxation: "National defense is a federal responsibility,"
Shlaes paraphrases O'Neill as saying, "but all other outlays need review."
And O'Neill assured Shlaes he was not speaking only for himself: "Not only
am I committed to working on this issue, the president is also intrigued
about the possibility of fixing this mess."
The Financial Times described O'Neill's comments (approvingly) as "radical"
and "political dynamite." Yet the story has so far failed to take hold in
the U.S. press.
Three columnists at New York's Newsday noted O'Neill's remarks: Robert Reno
(who said the Treasury Secretary "comes across as a man who has paid a lot
of taxes and clearly resents it"-- 5/27/01) Marie Cocco (5/31/01) and Paul
Vitello (5/24/01). An obviously irked Vitello took it the furthest, actually
calling O'Neill's spokesman at Treasury to confirm that these were not
"made-up quotes":
"The secretary didn't really mean to say that no matter how old, no person
who has paid into the Social Security system all his or her life would be
entitled to benefits until he or she is physically no longer able to work?
He didn't really mean to say that ExxonMobil and Time Warner should be
treated as we treat the church-- as tax exempt?
"'Yes,' said the spokesman, 'that is our position. The quotes were all
accurate.'"
Thomas DeFrank of New York's Daily News also reported O'Neill's comments
(5/22/01), but he apparently got a different response from the Treasury
Department. "Treasury spokesman Rob Nichols said O'Neill's comments on
Social Security reflected his personal views, not the Bush
administration's," he noted.
Outside of local New York papers, the story was harder to find. Cox wire
service reporter Scott Shepard filed a story (5/20/01), which noted only
O'Neill's description of the tax system as an "abomination" and the claim
that the president was "also intrigued" about major changes, including
cutting corporate taxes. A short piece in the May 22 Investor's Business
Daily ("A Whiff of Reform in the Air") did the same, and was echoed in its
approving tone by a column in the May 23 Washington Times ("Signals for Tax
Repair?").
O'Neill has made several television appearances since the Financial Times
interview, but a search of the Nexis.com database turned up just two TV
references to the remarks, neither on a Big 3 network. The Financial Times'
own Robert Thomson teased his paper's interview at the end of a May 18
appearance on CNNfn's "The N.E.W. Show" whose main subject was the
Lucent/Alcatel merger. And Fox News Sunday host Tony Snow asked O'Neill
about the idea of "getting rid of the corporate income tax" on June 3.
(O'Neill declined to answer, saying only that "we need to fundamentally look
at the way our tax code works.")
What about the country's major outlets, the place one would look for a story
of such import? So far, O'Neill's radical statements have made it into the
New York TimesUSA Today ran an Associated Press column (5/22/01) that placed
O'Neill's calls for eliminating taxes on corporations at the end, after
discussion of estate taxes and "simplification" of the tax system, and noted
only that the Treasury Secretary has plans for "reform" of Social Security.
(AP's original headline on the piece: "O'Neill: Further Tax Relief Coming,"
5/21/01.)
Washington Post columnist John O. Fox used O'Neill's "abomination" quote to
shore up his own argument about the U.S.'s "monstrously complicated" tax
code, but ignored the rest of his statements. And the Post's David Broder
made no reference to the Financial Times interview in his June 6 column,
which referred to Bush administration plans to "open [Social Security and
Medicare] up to market forces."
Broder did note congenially that "as Treasury Secretary Paul
O'Neill...reminded me the other day, what makes the task so difficult is the
need to educate people about the current system, before they can be
persuaded that it needs to be changed as the administration proposes."
Indeed, the American people could use "educating" about just what the Bush
administration and its Treasury Secretary propose. But where will they get
it if not from the mainstream news media?
ACTION: Please write to national and local media outlets and ask them why
Paul O'Neill's calls for eliminating corporate taxes and Social Security
were not a major news story.
Some suggested contacts include:
ABC World News Tonight
Anchor and Senior Editor
Peter Jennings
PeterJennings@...
NBC News
DC Bureau Chief & Host, "Meet the Press"
Tim Russert
mtp@...
New York Times
nytnews@...
Toll free comment line: 1-888-NYT-NEWS
Washington Post
Deputy National Editor (Domestic Policy)
Leonard Bernstein
bernsteinl@...
Los Angeles Times
DC Bureau Chief
Doyle McManus
doyle.mcmanus@...
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I have been on this listserve for a few months now... In that time, I think I have seen some of the most embarassing crap come from this group that has ever filtered into my inbox. The Peoples Campaign Documentary has yet to be finished, and if I were to base my belief in this organization on what I see on this listserve, I would probably just throw all of my footage straight into the garbage. I guess that I can understand that not all members of this group are ignorant, just several -- and they happen to be the most vocal. My word of caution would be that a link to this forum is on the NBPC WEBSITE -- i.e. anyone interested in the cause can subscribe. After reading so much of the juvenile, petty, mindless shit that has filtered through this thing I think I am feeling the need to break any allegiances to this group. I am not surprised that certain members of this online community have been banned elsewhere. I have become incredibly disillusioned with the NBPC and I hope that someone can explain that away for me. I'd really enjoy hearing it. More than likely, I'll probably hear "fuck you." Thanks for making me doubt my judge of character even more. Rob Bertrand a.k.a. "Rob the Documentarian" From: Mathew Levi <ml@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] sucker bright Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:06:20 -0400 LOL! BOL/SWORD/MAFIA > fuck yourself bright > next time i see you you better have the money you owe us. > > joe > > > >From: FBRIGHT123@... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] stop lying, Joe > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:56:08 EDT > > > > > >Joe, > > > >It is useless trying to apply rationality to your methodology of agitation > >but, let's try... > > > >If you followed through and got a legal opinion from the state, HUD, county > >or City Attorney Hamilton, then you would hear that it is Harris which is > >the > >illegal member, according to the law. According to the people, they would > >rather have her leave, also. You would not know that as you have not been > >to > >the NBHA meetings to hear the concerns of the residents. When you have gone > >to Schwartz Robeson, you have alienated the residents, with your > >agitational > >methods, so much so that they think you are disrespectful and, moreover, > >they > >think you are the People's Campaign. > > > >NBHA meetings are on the fourth Wednesday of the month at 6:30 pm at the > >Schwartz Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. > > > >City Attorney Hamilton gave the legal advice to the City Council at a City > >Council meeting which you failed to attend. > > > >Best regards... > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
COME HEAR THE VOICE OF TRUTH MINISTER TRACY FORD AT THE GEORGE STREET CO-OP, INC. 89 MORRIS STREET NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY 08901 DATE: JUNE 25, 2001 TIME : 6:00PM TO 9:00PM A MINISTRY CAPABLE OF LEADING THE CHURCH IN THE PRESENT MUST BE FAITHFUL TO SCRIPTURE, FORMED BY HISTORIC WISDOM, FORGED IN THEOLOGICAL REFLECTION FAMILIAR WITH CONTEMPORARY CULTURE, AND FASHIONED THROUGH SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I have to agree with Rob on this. I originally signed on to this list serve because I was inspired by what I saw at a recent New Brunswick City Council meeting. I agreed with a lot of what the members of the People's Campaign had said and wanted to find out more on how I could be more active in helping to change things in New Brunswick. Instead, I have found that my e-mail account has since been flooded (10 or more on any given day) with e-mails not too relevant to New Brunswick's situation, and I wasn't even receiving the info I had been looking for (i.e. what underhanded bill was the city gov't trying to pass, future city council meetings, future meetings of the People's Campaign, etc.). It is possible that some of this info did get sent to me, but since the majority of the e-mails sent were personal and useless, I probably deleted them along with everything else. It is just way too time consuming to try to stay on top of all the e-mails sent to this list serve just to make sure that my account does not go over its quota. I am still interested in finding out about the People's Campaign and I am trying not to let this experience with the list serve dishearten me. Unfortunately, I see no other choice for now but to unsubscribe and try to get more info on the group some other way. This list serve could be a very helpful and convenient tool to reach your membership, but it should be used more wisely and personal differences settled somewhere else. >From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] This list serve is an embarrassment... >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:42:55 > >I have been on this list serve for a few months now... > >In that time, I think I have seen some of the most embarrassing crap come >from this group that has ever filtered into my inbox. The Peoples Campaign >Documentary has yet to be finished, and if I were to base my belief in this >organization on what I see on this list serve, I would probably just throw >all of my footage straight into the garbage. > >I guess that I can understand that not all members of this group are >ignorant, just several -- and they happen to be the most vocal. > >My word of caution would be that a link to this forum is on the NBPC >WEBSITE >-- i.e. anyone interested in the cause can subscribe. After reading so >much >of the juvenile, petty, mindless shit that has filtered through this thing >I >think I am feeling the need to break any allegiances to this group. I am >not surprised that certain members of this online community have been >banned >elsewhere. > >I have become incredibly disillusioned with the NBPC and I hope that >someone >can explain that away for me. I'd really enjoy hearing it. More than >likely, I'll probably hear "fuck you." Thanks for making me doubt my judge >of character even more. > >Rob Bertrand >a.k.a. "Rob the Documentarian" > >From: Mathew Levi <ml@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] sucker bright >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:06:20 -0400 > > >LOL! BOL/SWORD/MAFIA > > > fuck yourself bright > > next time i see you you better have the money you owe us. > > > > joe > > > > > > >From: FBRIGHT123@... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] stop lying, Joe > > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:56:08 EDT > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >It is useless trying to apply rationality to your methodology of >agitation > > >but, let's try... > > > > > >If you followed through and got a legal opinion from the state, HUD, >county > > >or City Attorney Hamilton, then you would hear that it is Harris which >is > > >the > > >illegal member, according to the law. According to the people, they >would > > >rather have her leave, also. You would not know that as you have not >been > > >to > > >the NBHA meetings to hear the concerns of the residents. When you have >gone > > >to Schwartz Robeson, you have alienated the residents, with your > > >agitational > > >methods, so much so that they think you are disrespectful and, >moreover, > > >they > > >think you are the People's Campaign. > > > > > >NBHA meetings are on the fourth Wednesday of the month at 6:30 pm at >the > > >Schwartz Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. > > > > > >City Attorney Hamilton gave the legal advice to the City Council at a >City > > >Council meeting which you failed to attend. > > > > > >Best regards... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Subject: [poprogress] Letter on behalf of Faison Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:22:55 EDT Here is a letter to Robert J. Cleary urging him to overturn the ridiculous ruling of Judge Lifland in the Earl Faison case. This is the case where 5 Orange police officers beat an unarmed, innocent man to death . They were found guilty of conspiracy by a jury and then 6 months after the verdict, the corrupt trial Judge, John Lifland, illegally overturned the jury verdict and kicked the ruling out. We want to get 100s of these letters to Robert J. Cleary, the US Attorney, ASAP. So please feel free to print this and then to mail it. Please also make copies and have others do the same! Also for those who wish to add more to this letter, please feel free to do so! Robert J. Cleary US Attorney US Attorney's Office Rodino Federal Building 970 Broad Street Suite 700 Newark, NJ 07102 I am submitting this letter to you to express my outrage at the egregious decision made by Judge John Lifland to dismiss the consipiracy conviction in the Faison case against five Orange police officers, who beat, brutalized and tortured Earl Faison to death. By overturning the ruling, Judge Lifland has made a farce of the courts and has shown complete disregard for the jury system. I strongly urge you to overrule Judge Lifland and to uphold the jury's finding of conspiracy for all 5 officers! These officers must be held accountable and justice must prevail! ____________________________________ Signature ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! WorldxChange Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page FREE Download! Superior Marketing Tools & Tactics V1.7 http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html Get a FREE Vacation! Select from 26 fabulous resort destinations! Free Vacation! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Check it out: www.amiribaraka.com Thanks Chris Funkhouser! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Funkhouser, Chris" <Funkhouser@...> To: "'Matthew Smith '" <vivaohio@...> Subject: RE: [poprogress] Amiri Baraka Recognized Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:39:45 -0400 hi Matt, Hope everything's going well. I was wondering if you could circulate via your mailing lists (i.e. word of cyber-mouth) that amiribaraka.com is up & kicking. I haven't the time to write a press release for it but do want people to check it out. OK, talk w/you soon, thanks, cfunk -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith Sent: 6/4/01 11:52 AM Subject: Fwd: [poprogress] Amiri Baraka Recognized ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Howard Nelson" Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: CC: "Cliff" Subject: [poprogress] Amiri Baraka Recognized Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 21:42:06 -0400 Cliff Smith picked this up from the Star Ledger. Thanks Cliff. > > Editorials > > Newark's man of letters > > 06/01/01 > > Many times we can find good things right in our own > back yards. In the world of letters, that is certainly > true. > > Newark's literary giant, Amiri Baraka, was recently > inducted, along with 13 other artists, architects, > composers and writers, into the American Academy > of Arts and Letters. > > Members are elected each year to fill vacancies in > the academy's membership of 250 American cultural > figures. Nominations are submitted for vote by > discipline, and the candidates receiving the most > votes from their peers are voted on by the entire > membership. > > Though often viewed as controversial, Baraka is > well-respected nationally. Hailed as one of the most > important poets of his generation, he has also written > numerous plays, 10 collections of essays, a novel, an > autobiography and a collection of stories. He was > one of the founders of the Black Arts movement in > the 1960s. > > Although his art has often been eclipsed by his role > as a political, cultural and social activist, Baraka is, > first and foremost, a writer, one of the most prolific > produced by Newark. His induction into the > academy is a fitting recognition of a literary career > that has spanned nearly half a century. > > Subscriptions & Contacts | Archives | Personals | > Obituaries > > � 2001 The Star-Ledger. Used by NJ.com with > permission. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _____ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com <http://explorer.msn.com> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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It's been a long time since this egroup has been representative of the People's Campaign. It was highjacked some time ago by a very vocal minority who has succeeded in alienating many people interested in the Campaign. A few months ago, we addressed this issue at a campaign general meeting. The majority decided to form a members-only egroup (nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com) as a way to deal with the situation. Since then, we have come under attack for alleged censorship. I still am not sure how I feel about our decision. I don't know if it was the right thing to do. What I do know is that more people have felt the way you both do than not. As the former Treasurer and a member who gave her heart and soul to the Campaign, I am very sad that people have been turned away by this crap. I wonder why I myself am still subscribed - most of the emails are annoying/offensive/petty. Not many are useful. Still, I guess I want to just want to keep 'plugged in'. i don't think that will last too much longer. i want to tell you Rob that you should not judge a movement by an egroup. It is a pretty poor measure of anything substantive. the Campaign and the progressive movement in NB (which has been around for many many years and will be around for many more) is a viable, living, transforming body. It is what is real. Not petty email exchanges. For our sake, please don't throw any footage away.. if you really want to get it off your hands, someone will gladly rescue it. I have been wanting to see your documentary forever, by the way. The work you did on it has always been very appreciated. I'd like to get together to talk soon. for other people, the major lesson learned from this egroup is how NOT to organize people into the movement. Kristina >From: "L. A." <lynnastorga@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] This listserve is an embarrassment... >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:12:54 -0000 > >I have to agree with Rob on this. I originally signed on to this list >serve >because I was inspired by what I saw at a recent New Brunswick City Council >meeting. I agreed with a lot of what the members of the People's Campaign >had said and wanted to find out more on how I could be more active in >helping to change things in New Brunswick. > >Instead, I have found that my e-mail account has since been flooded (10 or >more on any given day) with e-mails not too relevant to New Brunswick's >situation, and I wasn't even receiving the info I had been looking for >(i.e. >what underhanded bill was the city gov't trying to pass, future city >council >meetings, future meetings of the People's Campaign, etc.). It is possible >that some of this info did get sent to me, but since the majority of the >e-mails sent were personal and useless, I probably deleted them along with >everything else. It is just way too time consuming to try to stay on top of >all the e-mails sent to this list serve just to make sure that my account >does not go over its quota. > >I am still interested in finding out about the People's Campaign and I am >trying not to let this experience with the list serve dishearten me. >Unfortunately, I see no other choice for now but to unsubscribe and try to >get more info on the group some other way. This list serve could be a very >helpful and convenient tool to reach your membership, but it should be used >more wisely and personal differences settled somewhere else. > > > > > >From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] This list serve is an embarrassment... > >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:42:55 > > > >I have been on this list serve for a few months now... > > > >In that time, I think I have seen some of the most embarrassing crap come > >from this group that has ever filtered into my inbox. The Peoples >Campaign > >Documentary has yet to be finished, and if I were to base my belief in >this > >organization on what I see on this list serve, I would probably just >throw > >all of my footage straight into the garbage. > > > >I guess that I can understand that not all members of this group are > >ignorant, just several -- and they happen to be the most vocal. > > > >My word of caution would be that a link to this forum is on the NBPC > >WEBSITE > >-- i.e. anyone interested in the cause can subscribe. After reading so > >much > >of the juvenile, petty, mindless shit that has filtered through this >thing > >I > >think I am feeling the need to break any allegiances to this group. I am > >not surprised that certain members of this online community have been > >banned > >elsewhere. > > > >I have become incredibly disillusioned with the NBPC and I hope that > >someone > >can explain that away for me. I'd really enjoy hearing it. More than > >likely, I'll probably hear "fuck you." Thanks for making me doubt my >judge > >of character even more. > > > >Rob Bertrand > >a.k.a. "Rob the Documentarian" > > > >From: Mathew Levi <ml@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] sucker bright > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:06:20 -0400 > > > > > >LOL! BOL/SWORD/MAFIA > > > > > fuck yourself bright > > > next time i see you you better have the money you owe us. > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > >From: FBRIGHT123@... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] stop lying, Joe > > > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:56:08 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > >It is useless trying to apply rationality to your methodology of > >agitation > > > >but, let's try... > > > > > > > >If you followed through and got a legal opinion from the state, HUD, > >county > > > >or City Attorney Hamilton, then you would hear that it is Harris >which > >is > > > >the > > > >illegal member, according to the law. According to the people, they > >would > > > >rather have her leave, also. You would not know that as you have not > >been > > > >to > > > >the NBHA meetings to hear the concerns of the residents. When you >have > >gone > > > >to Schwartz Robeson, you have alienated the residents, with your > > > >agitational > > > >methods, so much so that they think you are disrespectful and, > >moreover, > > > >they > > > >think you are the People's Campaign. > > > > > > > >NBHA meetings are on the fourth Wednesday of the month at 6:30 pm at > >the > > > >Schwartz Community Room, 37 Van Dyke Ave. > > > > > > > >City Attorney Hamilton gave the legal advice to the City Council at >a > >City > > > >Council meeting which you failed to attend. > > > > > > > >Best regards... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I am not aware of how a prosecutor (i.e. the U.S. Attorney) can "overrule" a judge's ruling granting JNOV in a criminal case. He could appeal it, or ask for reconsideration, but "overrule" it? Don't think so. Maybe the text of the letter should be rethought. FLK --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Subject: [poprogress] Letter on behalf of Faison > Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:22:55 EDT > > Here is a letter to Robert J. Cleary urging him to > overturn the ridiculous ruling of Judge Lifland in the Earl Faison case. > This is the case where 5 Orange police officers beat an unarmed, innocent > man to death . They were found guilty of conspiracy by a jury and then > 6 months after the verdict, the corrupt trial Judge, John Lifland, illegally > overturned the jury verdict and kicked the ruling out. > We want to get 100s of these letters to Robert J. Cleary, the US Attorney, > ASAP. > So please feel free to print this and then to mail it. Please also make > copies > and have others do the same! Also for those who wish to add more to this > letter, please feel free to do so! > > Robert J. Cleary > US Attorney > US Attorney's Office > Rodino Federal Building > 970 Broad Street > Suite 700 > Newark, NJ 07102 > > I am submitting this letter to you to express my outrage at the egregious > decision made by Judge John Lifland to dismiss the consipiracy conviction in > the Faison case against five Orange police officers, who beat, brutalized > and > tortured Earl Faison to death. > By overturning the ruling, Judge Lifland has made a farce of the courts and > has shown complete disregard for the jury system. > I strongly urge you to overrule Judge Lifland and to uphold the jury's > finding of conspiracy for all 5 officers! These officers must be held > accountable and justice must prevail! > ____________________________________ > Signature > ----------------------------------- > FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! > WorldxChange Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page > FREE Download! Superior Marketing Tools & Tactics V1.7 > http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html > Get a FREE Vacation! Select from 26 fabulous resort destinations! > Free Vacation! > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Kristina, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. I have no regrets about the decision creating http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nbpcmembers and limiting access to it to members of the group. What is apparent, unfortunately, is that it did not go far enough, judging from the utter garbage I have seen here. I am minded to advocate the shutting down of this list on the outside risk that NBPC might be associated with it. This kind of dilution and tarnishing is really not something this group should put up with. Another point also: the calendar, database, and file feature available on the other egroup can be used to post events relevant to New Brunswick like city council meetings, etc. more effectively than in the current system. FLK
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***For Immediate Release*** 06/16/01 Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality Joe Smith 732.729.0390 can_bush@... ### When: The incident occurred at 9:00pm on Wednesday evening 06/14/01. The Press Conference will be held on Sunday June 17 @2:00pm. Location is Feaster Park - Throop Ave side where Baldwin runs into park, steps. Who: Kevin Johnson & Tyshon Johnson 90 Throop Ave, New Brunswick 296.9857 Dayshon Langston 11 Quentin Ave, New Brunswick 937.9369 Cliff Jones 1917 Birchwood Court, North Brunswick 940.0091 Juan Rupalo 169 Throop Ave, New Brunswick 213.5693 Marel Maldonado 520 William Street, Piscataway 564.9845 Edward James 418.0777 What: Announcing lawsuit against New Brunswick Police Department alleging institutional racist conduct and anti-civil rights actions. Why: At least six marked police vehicles along with three unmarked narcotics vehicles with roughly 17 UNPROVOKED officers jumped these youth. While no laws where being broken several NBPD officers arrested any and all black males that the officers could get their hands on. One of the youths arrested was inside his own house and the police had to shove the mother aside to force entry - no warrants! Tyshon Johnson says, "these NB police are committing open racist, terrorist attacks throughout the African-American and Latino/a American community. These actions of police brutality in our community demonstrate that we have no democracy and my people have no rights within this white supremacist culture." These 7 youth will be holding this press conference to discuss their charges, announce their assembly line due process - with the court date being placed for this Wednesday, June 20, and reach out to the community for support and organization. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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>From: Gwendolyn Wilson <breakingchains@...> >To: cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Re: Fwd: [coalitionforjustice] open this up >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:46:36 -0700 (PDT) > >To these young men taking this stand that is so >necessary - I say do it, because the injustice of >today, needs to be called on, let them have it, >because... > >The big "free" picture didn't include >no brown paint >no dreads >no smooth walk >no ebonic talk >no pretty brown eyes >no healthy thighs >no rich hips >no luscious lips >no what up >ain't that some stuff >well we hear now >and they better see >that people of color >demand that free mean free! >If those pig cops are looking for the boys next door >that ain't exactly what they in for. >Don't take the shit, sitting down! >More Power to You - >--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] open this up > > >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 00:42:07 -0400 > > > > > > ***For Immediate Release*** > > > 06/16/01 > > > > > > Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police > > Brutality > > > Joe Smith 732.729.0390 can_bush@... > > > ### > > >When: > > >The incident occurred at 9:00pm on Wednesday > > evening 06/14/01. > > >The Press Conference will be held on Sunday June 17 > > @2:00pm. Location is > > >Feaster Park - Throop Ave side where Baldwin runs > > into park, steps. > > > > > >Who: > > >Kevin Johnson & Tyshon Johnson > > >90 Throop Ave, New Brunswick > > >296.9857 > > > > > >Dayshon Langston > > >11 Quentin Ave, New Brunswick > > >937.9369 > > > > > >Cliff Jones > > >1917 Birchwood Court, North Brunswick > > >940.0091 > > > > > >Juan Rupalo > > >169 Throop Ave, New Brunswick > > >213.5693 > > > > > >Marel Maldonado > > >520 William Street, Piscataway > > >564.9845 > > > > > >Edward James > > >418.0777 > > > > > >What: > > >Announcing lawsuit against New Brunswick Police > > Department alleging > > >institutional racist conduct and anti-civil rights > > actions. > > > > > >Why: > > >At least six marked police vehicles along with > > three unmarked narcotics > > >vehicles with roughly 17 UNPROVOKED officers jumped > > these youth. While no > > >laws where being broken several NBPD officers > > arrested any and all black > > >males that the officers could get their hands on. > > One of the youths > > >arrested > > >was inside his own house and the police had to > > shove the mother aside to > > >force entry - no warrants! > > >Tyshon Johnson says, "these NB police are > > committing open racist, terrorist > > >attacks throughout the African-American and > > Latino/a American community. > > >These actions of police brutality in our community > > demonstrate that we have > > >no democracy and my people have no rights within > > this white supremacist > > >culture." > > >These 7 youth will be holding this press conference > > to discuss their > > >charges, announce their assembly line due process - > > with the court date > > >being placed for this Wednesday, June 20, and reach > > out to the community > > >for > > >support and organization. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. >http://buzz.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Revolutionaries Unite!
Win the Advanced to Communism!
(by Amiri Baraka, for Unity & Struggle)
Build an organization of Revolutionaries by putting out the newspaper Unity
& Struggle; hold a series of forums, study circles and polemics to promote
discussion and organization with the participation of the advanced in order
to first build revolutionary circles and ultimately an organization of
revolutionaries.
Build a United Front for Afro-American Self-Determination (one section of
the united front against imperialism).
Build a United Front for the complete social equality or women and men, one
part of the united front against imperialism. (added in the April, 1996
issue of U&S)
Build a Democratic Workers' Party (an independent mass party).
Win the Advanced to Communism!
These are correct slogans because they also point out the four levels
that we seek. We call for revolutionaries to unite because in the present
time, place, and conditions, it seems the most scientifically correct call.
We call for revolutionaries to unite because first we recognize the whole
tradition of national liberation struggles as critical aspects of the
struggle of the people versus imperialism, or labor versus capital, as well
as the struggle of the working class for socialist revolution. We are using
Lenin's observation that the Soviet Revolution transformed national
liberation struggles from merely bourgeois democratic struggles to direct
struggles against imperialism.
Unity & Struggle believes in building a revolutionary circle around the
newspaper in the struggle to define what is revolution in the United States.
Through the process of unity-struggle-unity we will be able to broaden
these circles across the country, build a powerful national circle of
revolutionaries, and eventually an organization of revolutionaries.
When the path of the Russian Revolution was obstructed by economism (the
bourgeoisification of the political struggle into simple trade unionism,
i.e., "giving the economic struggle a political character"), Lenin asked,
"What Is To Be Done?"
He pointed out the importance of revolutionary theory, especially in a
period when such theory had largely been abandoned. Unity & Struggle will
sponsor forums, polemics, speak to the issues in the newspaper and in a
series of public mass discussions in order to raise the question in the
U.S., here, now, What Is To Be Done?
We state the unification of revolutionaries so as to welcome those
militants from the national liberation struggles and other democratic
struggles who claim a revolutionary stance against imperialism & national
oppression, and, of course, many, like ourselves, who also claim to be
communists or socialists.
We are also aware of the great amount of poisonous claptrap and lies about
socialism following the overthrow of the Soviet social imperialist bloc and
the steady creep toward capitalism of China under the capitalist roader
leadership of Deng Xiaping, &c. We must take from international
revolutionary theory but at the same time be careful to keep in mind that we
are building revolution here in the United States in the last part of the
20th century.
It is time for us to raise and clarify, given the material conditions of
the United States in the late 20th century, all of these questions and to
sum up in great detail where we have been and where we are now going.
An organization of revolutionaries must put forward a program for the U.S.
revolution, containing both its minimum and maximum demands. The minimum
demands focus of the struggle for democracy and self-determination, the
maximum demands must focus on the overthrow of imperialism and the building
of socialism and the eventual emergence of Communism.
Within both the organization of revolutionaries and before the public, with
the participation of the advanced, and with the struggle for clear,
scientific, theory and practice, the questions will be resolved: What is
revolution? What is a revolutionary, in the U.S.? It will be the
ideological struggle over political line (how our theories mesh with our
practice) that will either validate or show the errors in our theory and
practice.
We think that a growing united circle of revolutionaries must also be the
catalyst, as a strategic part of the minimum program, for the formation of
united fronts for democracy and self-determination. For instance,
revolutionaries must lead efforts to organize a United Front for Afro
American Self-Determination, to build the national, political,and class
consciousness of the Afro American people so that a plebiscite can be held
in which Afro Americans must address themselves to the question, "What
Should Be the Relationship of the Afro American People to the United
States?"
It is also an important part of the democratic thrust of such an
organization of revolutionaries that the call for a Democratic Workers'
Party, a mass electoral style party, be put forth, which puts the united
front against fascism into organizational form. The intention would be to
unite the vast multinational working class and other democratic forces into
a "legal" party which would oppose the parties of imperialism in general
elections and other "legal" work.
All these are different aspects of the same political dynamic. It is
catalyzed, made politically possible, only because of the existence of, and
struggle for leadership in these formations, of genuine revolutionaries,
committed to the complete overthrow of imperialism and national oppression.
It is the view of Unity & Struggle that only those who seek to
represent the most consistently revolutionary class, the multinational U.S.
working class in alliance with other revolutionary forces, can provide true
revolutionary leadership. In order for its life to change, it is only the
working class that must have the complete overthrow of imperialism.
Certainly no United Front for Afro American Self Determination or
Democratic Workers' Party would be worth anything--to the masses of the
people--unless it were given leadership by the most revolutionary sector of
society. We should know this by now, given the spctacle of the co-optation
of the black liberation movement by the black bourgeois' political cadre,
highlighted as the Black Congressional Caucus, or the national organization
of Black Elected Officials (ABC-LEO). This should show us that the petty
bourgeois, even of the oppressed nationalities, aims only to get in on the
robbery and class corruption themselves, abandoning any real leadership of
the liberation movement for status as "public officials" serving
imperialism.
The call "revolutionaries unite" must initiate a whole chain of
political activity and organization. The intense struggle inside the circle
of revolutionaries, and sponsored by such a circle, must begin by addressing
the question: what is revolution, what is a revolutionary, here in the
United States today? Ultimately that definition, which can only be gained
through struggle, committed only to a higher level of unity, must begin to
address itself directly to the questions of The People vs. Imperialism, and
Labor vs. Capital, and the question of Socialism and Communism. Unity &
Struggle asserts that the truly revolutionary struggle must seek to
eliminate monopoly capitalism and imperialism together with their class,
national, and gender oppression. That struggle is not one waged in academia
behind closed doors. This struggle will be the nuts and bolts of building a
true organization needed to make revolution in the United States.
We at U&S feel that in the more generalized call (Revolutionaries
Unite) the most important result will be winning the advanced, the most
progressive sector of the working class and other democratic forces, in that
crossfire of theory and practice initiated by the struggle to unite
revolutionaries, to communism! Ultimately U&S is committed to the
elimination of imperialism and national and gender oppression, the
construction of Socialism and the eventual emergence of class free society,
Communism.
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>From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] New Jersey Online Star-Ledger News >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:50:06 -0400 > >New Jersey Online: Star-Ledger News > > Sponsored By: >> > Orange faults U.S. in Faison cop case > > 06/16/01 > > BY MARY JO PATTERSON > STAR-LEDGER STAFF > > A lawyer representing the city of Orange filed legal papers >yesterday questioning the conduct of the U.S. Attorney's Office in the >prosecution of five Orange cops accused of civil rights violations in the >death of Earl Faison. > > > The five officers were found guilty of the charges last year, nearly >two years after Faison, a 27-year-old East Orange man, died in police >custody. > > > Two of the five have have since been cleared. The remaining three >have yet to be sentenced. > > > Relatives of Faison also brought lawsuits in the matter, naming the >city of Orange, its police department and various Essex County officials as >defendants. > > > Now Peter Till, a Springfield attorney representing Orange in the >civil actions, is seeking to intervene in the criminal case in the U.S. >District Court in Newark. > > > In court papers he states that federal prosecutors neglected to >disclose that Faison was autopsied twice -- and that the second autopsy >determined that his internal organs showed "no evidence of blunt force >trauma." > > > Central to the officers' convictions, Till maintains, were >allegations of "excessive force." > > > Public knowledge of the second autopsy, the court papers state, "may >mitigate the police officer defendants' guilt and . . . possibly invalidate >the jury's verdict." > > > The original autopsy, by an assistant state medical examiner, was >introduced at the officers' trial. It concluded that Faison died of asthma, >and made no mention of pepper spray. > > > The re-autopsy, commissioned by Faison's sister Kaytria, was >performed by Cyril Wecht, a pathologist in Pittsburgh. He found that Faison >died of asthma, "exacerbated by physical altercation and exposure to pepper >spray while in police custody," according to the court papers. > > > Till's motion asks that the U.S. Distict Court review the >"undisclosed" Wecht autopsy, consider whether its omission hurt the >officers' legal defense, and decide whether a new trial is warranted. > > > Michael Drewniak, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney, said the >government did not have the Wecht autopsy. "Our disclosure requirements are >limited to what we have in our possession," he said. > > > Wecht's conclusion on the cause of Faison's death was consistent >with testimony offered by government witnesses at trial, he added. "In >short, this is not exculpatory." > > > The Faison case was one of the most high-profile police brutality >cases in state history. > > > He was arrested April 11, 1999, during a manhunt for the killer of >Orange Police Officer Joyce Carnegie. > > > The federal government charged that the officers mistook Faison for >a suspect in her murder, beat him at the scene of his arrest after removing >a loaded gun from him, and further brutalized him at police headquarters by >blasting pepper spray into his face. > > > Faison, an aspiring rap artist who was on parole from state prison, >died of respiratory failure less than an hour after his arrest. > > > U.S. authorities accused the officers of violating Faison's rights >through physical abuse. But they never charged them with responsibility for >his death. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Greg- Soaries is the Pastor of First Baptist Church in Franklin Township & appointed Sectratary of State by Whitman...Class struggle should actually be aimed against the main enemy, "the bushwackers", with p.b. as exposed as "ho"(ie-hore, as in opportunists) "chucking spears" for "the bigs" at the very people (masses) from whom they (the p.b.) derive their actual power. Hope that clears some things up.- Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "geg vutrano" <gvutrano@...> Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com Subject: Re: [njfo] Re: QUIT republican party Skunk soaries, fbright! Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:33:51 -0400 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Subject: [poprogress] Workers World April 5, 2001 Shaka Sankofa's son
convicted
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:13:20 -0400
Workers World April 5, 2001: Shaka Sankofa's son convicted
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Reprinted from the April 5, 2001
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Shaka Sankofa's son convicted
'I will continue to fight'
By Gloria Rubac
Houston
Hours after being sentenced to life in prison, Gary Hawkins sent a
message to his supporters: "I want to say thank you everybody who has
supported me and my family throughout this recent bout of injustice. This
sort of wrongdoing by the state must not be accepted quietly. I am innocent
and I will continue to fight. I believe that one day in the not-so-distant
future, justice will finally be served in both my case and in my father's.
Regardless of the latest outcome, I encourage you all not to give up. Stay
motivated and stay proud. Justice will be ours!"
Hawkins is the son of executed Texas prison activist Shaka Sankofa.
Hawkins was convicted of capital murder March 27 in a Houston courtroom
packed with supporters and family members. Since the state did not seek the
death penalty, Hawkins was automatically sentenced to life in prison.
Hawkins and his supporters were stunned as the verdict was read. There
was absolutely no physical evidence or motive linking him to the murder of
his good friend, Melvin Pope.
"They've already taken my daddy away from me and now they want my
brother," cried his sister, Deidra Hawkins.
"This is another case of injustice and what will we do? We'll fight and
we'll continue to struggle, that's what!" stated Njeri Shakur, an activist
with the Texas Death Penalty Abolition Movement and a friend of both Sankofa
and Hawkins.
The only person who put Hawkins at the scene of the robbery and murder,
Stanley White, admitted robbing Pope but was offered a deferred 10-year
probated sentence in exchange for fingering Hawkins as the killer.
"I can't see how they could have believed his lies," Hawkins told this
reporter. "I never thought they'd come back with a guilty verdict--because I
am innocent. But I felt something was wrong when the jury came back in with
their heads hanging down. Two of them were crying when the judge polled each
juror. How could those who thought I was innocent not be strong enough to
hold their position?"
In telephone conversations from the Harris County jail after his
conviction, Hawkins reminisced with this reporter about the big
demonstrations for his father back in 1993 that he participated in as a
14-year-old.
"I remember being outside the death house with my grandfather back then
protesting the execution of a Mexican man and there were lots and lots of
people there in Huntsville. I didn't think it would happen to my father. But
I also remember when Ricardo Aldape Guerra was finally freed from death
row--that was so great! That's what I wanted for my dad," Hawkins said.
Activists from the Texas Death Penalty Abolition Movement, the
S.H.A.P.E. Community Center, the National Black United Front, the Nation of
Islam and the Huntsville 8 Support Committee, as well as family members,
filled the courtroom every day of the weeklong trial. The Abolition Movement
had held fundraisers to help pay attorney fees and collected cash donations
during the trial to deposit in Hawkins' jail account for his 22nd birthday
on the second day of trial. Street meetings and flyers generated support
from many who had stood with his father up until his execution last June 22.
What became apparent during the trial was that the Houston police did
not even investigate the murder of a young Black male they found on the side
of a street. Melvin Pope's cell phone was on the ground beside his body and
his beeper was actually going off, yet not one phone number was recorded by
the cops. Not a fingerprint was taken off anything, no blood was
tested--until they found out the victim had been with Hawkins earlier in the
day.
Then they pushed full steam ahead to pin the murder on Hawkins, the son
of the most widely known person executed in Texas in recent history.
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Tracy- I'm not sure if the Bible attributes to Christianity any particular political affiliation or another...(It's be a trick to convince your god of it!)...but I do know of a particularly racist, fascist, endorser-of-profiling Nutley cop, Sgt. Steve Rogers, who claims that COP stands for Christians on Patrol...are you sure you want to carry the same line as him??? -MAtt ----Original Message Follows---- From: TRACYFORD1420@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com CC: can_bush@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: QUIT republican party Skunk soaries, fbright! Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:55:24 -0400 (EDT) JESUS SUPPORT PEACE & SO DO I. JESUS SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENT & SO DO I. JESUS SUPPORT PERSONAL GROWTH & SO DO I. JESUS SUPPORT CIVIL-RIGHTS & SO DO I. JESUS SUPPORT HUMAN-RIGHTS & SO DO I. I CARRY THE JESUS'S BLOODSTAIN BANNER OF LOVE. JESUS IS MY KARL MARX. PAUL IS MY LENIN. THIS IS MY POLITICS AND REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE PARTY OF THE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE WHO WANT LIVE IN DECENCY AND SELF-RESPECT. HOW ABOUT YOU? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I can't hold my tongue on this one....Tracy, do you not work with racist Republicans? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote: > I AM HOLDING A FORUM. YOU DO NOT TELL JOE & CLIFF SMITH THAT WHEN THEY > HOLDING A FORUM AND SPREADING THE WORD ABOUT THEIR FORUM. DO YOU > KRISTINA BAS? ARE YOU AFRAID OF BOL/SWORD, KRISTINA BAS?? I AM SPREADING > THE WORD ABOUT MY FORUM LIKE JOE & CLIFF DOES. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? I > BELIEVE IN FREEDOM, JUSTICE, EQUALITY FOR ALL. DO YOU KRISTINA BAS > BELIEVE THIS OR NOT?? OR ARE YOU A HYPOCRITICAL RACISTS? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
DO YOU NOT WORK WITH RACIST FASCIST LEFTISTS? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
THESE PEOPLE CANNOT DEBATE ME WITH ME IN A PUBLIC FORUM. LIFE IS NOT A DAGGER STAINED WITH THE BLOOD OF HATRED. IT IS A BRANCH FILLED WITH THE FLOWERS OF LOVE AND COMPASSION. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by shorepaulie@.... Can anyone decipher this double-talk? I thought excessive force was excessive force? I guess the court thinks not. Paul /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Looking for better IT solutions? Toshiba is uniting digital, mobile and network innovations in a bold new vision of Information Technology for today and tomorrow. Take a closer look at life in the new Digital Age. And imagine how good IT can be. Visit Toshiba.com for more details. http://www.nytimes.com/ads/toshiba/index.html \----------------------------------------------------------/ Supreme Court Upholds Use of Force in Guarding Vice President By LINDA GREENHOUSE The Supreme Court today added an extra layer of protection for police officers accused in suits for damages of using excessive force. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/18/national/18CND-SCOTUS.html?ex=993905033&ei=1&en=e3117fa60058692f /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
soaries is also robert franks co-campaign manager for nj governor. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >coalitionforjustice@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: QUIT republican party Skunk soaries, >fbright! >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:38:44 > > >Greg- Soaries is the Pastor of First Baptist Church in Franklin Township & >appointed Sectratary of State by Whitman...Class struggle should actually >be >aimed against the main enemy, "the bushwackers", with p.b. as exposed as >"ho"(ie-hore, as in opportunists) "chucking spears" for "the bigs" at the >very people (masses) from whom they (the p.b.) derive their actual power. >Hope that clears some things up.- Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "geg vutrano" <gvutrano@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [njfo] Re: QUIT republican party Skunk soaries, fbright! >Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:33:51 -0400 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
the bible says that in the end times republicans will be weeping & gnashing their teeth. as hon. min. farrakhan recently put it, "in the beginning was the word. word up." cs >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: can_bush@..., njfo@yahoogroups.com, >coalitionforjustice@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: QUIT republican party Skunk soaries, >fbright! >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:50:51 > > >Tracy- I'm not sure if the Bible attributes to Christianity any particular >political affiliation or another...(It's be a trick to convince your god of >it!)...but I do know of a particularly racist, fascist, >endorser-of-profiling Nutley cop, Sgt. Steve Rogers, who claims that COP >stands for Christians on Patrol...are you sure you want to carry the same >line as him??? -MAtt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: TRACYFORD1420@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >CC: can_bush@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >njfo@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: QUIT republican party Skunk soaries, >fbright! >Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:55:24 -0400 (EDT) > >JESUS SUPPORT PEACE & SO DO I. JESUS SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENT & SO DO I. >JESUS SUPPORT PERSONAL GROWTH & SO DO I. JESUS SUPPORT CIVIL-RIGHTS & SO >DO I. JESUS SUPPORT HUMAN-RIGHTS & SO DO I. I CARRY THE JESUS'S >BLOODSTAIN BANNER OF LOVE. JESUS IS MY KARL MARX. PAUL IS MY LENIN. THIS >IS MY POLITICS AND REPUBLICAN PARTY IS THE PARTY OF THE RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE >WHO WANT LIVE IN DECENCY AND SELF-RESPECT. HOW ABOUT YOU? > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I AM A MINISTER OF JESUS CHRIST BY THE WILL OF GOD, ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE OF LIFE WHICH IS IN JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE AND LIVE THE VISION OF JESUS CHRIST. I SHARE AND PROMOTE THE VISION OF JESUS CHRIST. I TEACH OTHERS HOW THEY CAN LIVE THE VISION OF JESUS CHRIST. ARE YOU FEELING LOST AND CONFUSED ABOUT YOUR LIFE?? DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE GOING IN CIRCLES, FOREVER RUNNING, BUT GETTING NOWHERE FAST?? NO RISK. NO REWARD?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This egroups gives me gas. And to think that forming it was actually my committee's responsibility. <sigh> For the record -- a year ago around this time, I was calling for active suppression of Block on Lock's ability to distribute material under the People's Campaign name, and I was met with resistance by the people who are most vocally for suppressing Block on Lock's ability to be associated with the Campaign now. For reasons which I don't have to explain, I find this highly ironic. Perhaps Joe/Cliff should set up their own egroup? Maybe the City will finance them to set up their own website where they can attack the Campaign. "nbpeoplescampaign" -- kill it!
I just wanted to add to Mrs. Adevai's post regarding the evil anti-tenants ordinance: There are a couple of things people can do. The law is described in today's Home News: http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,408940,00.html 1. COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING 6/20 @ 4PM if you can. The meeting will probably run for less than an hour. We need to keep up the presence as long as these unconstitutional laws are pending. 2. Write a letter that's short, respectful and to the point to the Home News Tribune stating that the 4pm city council meeting time is undemocratic and by nature opposed to open government. The city council is using evasive tactics to pass an unconstitutional law. Below are ten suggested angles for letters. I can verify all the information: a. Council Pres. Recine said at the 6/16 meeting: "If the meetings are important to people, they'll make arrangements to be there, or they will send someone in their place. Beyond that, we're not concerned...". b. This proposed ordinance (as it read last week) included no voice for tenants in this effort "to improve New Brunswick's housing stock". This is a reactive law which primarily punishes tenants who live in housing which has long been neglected by both the city and landlords. c. The city government has shown little or no motivation to construct new, affordable housing in our city. They continue to support the demolition of rental housing while subsidizing large corporate office development. The city regularly gives tax breaks and other forms of special treatment to corporate developers while renters pay up to $2500 per month for a sub-standard three bedroom apartment. d. The city has no possible means of enforcing this law as it's been proposed. This ordinance can only lead to selective (arbitrary) enforcement which provides unequal justice for tenants who are forced to pay outrageous sums for lousy housing. e. Demand full rent control as the real solution to overcrowded housing. If rent control weren't repealed in the 80s, renters would have affordable housing, reducing overcrowding (and illegal conditions) and reducing the rate of wear on rental properties. f. Demand an explanation of why the housing stock has been permitted to decay to its present point and regularly poses a safety and health threat to mainly low-income tenants. Most of the city's tenants earn well under the median income for the Middlesex-Somerset-Hunterdon metropolitan statistical area and they are entitled to fair housing just like millionaires in Basking Ridge. >From: Patricia Adevai <pcvca@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers <nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [nbpcmembers] NB council meeting - Tenancy ordinance >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:12:51 -0700 (PDT) > >To All > >I attended the agenda meeting today, Monday June 18. >On Wednesday June 20, 2001 at 4pm a new version of the >ordinance will be presented for 1st reading. I have >no idea what is in it!! No copy was available. Also >no discussion about it. The public can speak on >Wednesday and a copy should be available. The new >ordinance will also be published sometime before the >2nd reading. It is IMPORTANT that you try to attend >Wednesday to be sure that the name and noise >conviction stuff is removed. But be aware that even >if the name and the noise conviction stuff is removed, >this ordinance will effect you. There still is the >problem of posting number of occupants on your wall, >the number of occupants that will be allowed in the >apartment and the cost to the landlord of registration >and the cost of inspection, which the landlord will >most likely pass on to the tenant. The problem with >the number of occupants is the standard to determine >the allowed occupancy. The NB Propety Maintenace >ordinance is more restrictive than the state law of >NJ. The NB Propety Maintenace code was first enacted >sometime in 1978 (I think) and ever since, regardless >of the state law, the city has been trying to enforce >the stricter standard. Some of you pay for a lot of >garbage tickets, do you really want to pay for >inspecions too????? > Remember Wednesday, JUNE 20,2001 4PM City Hall !! > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. >http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Also for the record...regardless of it's limitations as a communications medium, 'nbpeoplescampaign' is still one of the more democratic spaces that we have. If there seems to have been a preponderance of stupid shit posted on here, then one can only blame the lack of intelligible and relevant statements...At the risk of sounding *radical* it is clear by now that the bannings only exacerbated the antagonisms in the United Front and kept us from dealing directly with the real issues...as in, the nature of a United Front, and if the Peoples Campaign is, or ever was, intended to be one...I am still amazed by the lack of concensus on this. If the problem was that people were tired of receiving 10 postings/day from the same person, then that could have been better dealt with, perhaps, by setting a limit to one post per day per person. At least then people would spend more time actually doing things then spewing irrelevant shite into the virtual vacuum. As it is, the 'nbpcmembers@tc' list is now dominated by landlords and lawyer types. Which is cool, we're glad to have them; except banning the 'vocal minority' has actually alienated the Peoples Campaign even more from the hardest hit neighborhoods in NB. This can be demonstrated objectively whether or not I or you like it. Hey, it's a double edged sword, this "democracy". But we have to learn how to work with it. All of that said, I am in favor of changing the name of this group list. It would be counterproductive if people got the impression that the Peoples Campaign is more of a revolutionary democratic United Front then it really is. See you on Wednesday... -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: jmluceno@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Shut it down Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:22:59 -0000 This egroups gives me gas. And to think that forming it was actually my committee's responsibility. <sigh> For the record -- a year ago around this time, I was calling for active suppression of Block on Lock's ability to distribute material under the People's Campaign name, and I was met with resistance by the people who are most vocally for suppressing Block on Lock's ability to be associated with the Campaign now. For reasons which I don't have to explain, I find this highly ironic. Perhaps Joe/Cliff should set up their own egroup? Maybe the City will finance them to set up their own website where they can attack the Campaign. "nbpeoplescampaign" -- kill it! To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Also for the record...regardless of it's limitations as a communications medium, 'nbpeoplescampaign' is still one of the more democratic spaces that we have. If there seems to have been a preponderance of stupid shit posted on here, then one can only blame the lack of intelligible and relevant statements...At the risk of sounding *radical* it is clear by now that the bannings only exacerbated the antagonisms in the United Front and kept us from dealing directly with the real issues...as in, the nature of a United Front, and if the Peoples Campaign is, or ever was, intended to be one...I am still amazed by the lack of concensus on this. If the problem was that people were tired of receiving 10 postings/day from the same person, then that could have been better dealt with, perhaps, by setting a limit to one post per day per person. At least then people would spend more time actually doing things then spewing irrelevant shite into the virtual vacuum. As it is, the 'nbpcmembers@tc' list is now dominated by landlords and lawyer types. Which is cool, we're glad to have them; except banning the 'vocal minority' has actually alienated the Peoples Campaign even more from the hardest hit neighborhoods in NB. This can be demonstrated objectively whether or not I or you like it. Hey, it's a double edged sword, this "democracy". But we have to learn how to work with it. All of that said, I am in favor of changing the name of this group list. It would be counterproductive if people got the impression that the Peoples Campaign is more of a revolutionary democratic United Front then it really is. See you on Wednesday... -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: jmluceno@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Shut it down Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:22:59 -0000 This egroups gives me gas. And to think that forming it was actually my committee's responsibility. <sigh> For the record -- a year ago around this time, I was calling for active suppression of Block on Lock's ability to distribute material under the People's Campaign name, and I was met with resistance by the people who are most vocally for suppressing Block on Lock's ability to be associated with the Campaign now. For reasons which I don't have to explain, I find this highly ironic. Perhaps Joe/Cliff should set up their own egroup? Maybe the City will finance them to set up their own website where they can attack the Campaign. "nbpeoplescampaign" -- kill it! To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
This ordinance has been on the table for at least two months now. The city
council is trying to squeek it by in the summer for some obvious reasons....
If anyone needs the skinny summary of the law
in plain english, email me personally and I'll give it to you. Paul
From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpcmembers] What you can do about the evil Tenant-restricting
ordinance
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:07:37 -0000
I just wanted to add to Mrs. Adevai's post regarding the evil anti-tenants
ordinance:
There are a couple of things people can do.
The law is described in today's Home News:
http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,408940,00.html
1. COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING 6/20 @ 4PM if you can. The meeting
will
probably run for less than an hour. We need to keep up the presence as
long
as these unconstitutional laws are pending.
2. Write a letter that's short, respectful and to the point to the Home
News
Tribune stating that the 4pm city council meeting time is undemocratic and
by nature opposed to open government. The city council is using evasive
tactics to pass an unconstitutional law.
Below are six suggested angles for letters. People should email them to
letters@..., The Home News' forum email. I can verify all the
information:
a. Council Pres. Recine said at the 5/16 meeting: "If the meetings are
important to people, they'll make arrangements to be there, or they will
send someone in their place. Beyond that, we're not concerned...".
b. This proposed ordinance (as it read last week) included no voice for
tenants in this effort "to improve New Brunswick's housing stock". This is
a
reactive law which primarily punishes tenants who live in housing which has
long been neglected by both the city and landlords.
c. The city government has shown little or no motivation to construct new,
affordable housing in our city. They continue to support the demolition of
rental housing while subsidizing large corporate office development. The
city regularly gives tax breaks and other forms of special treatment to
corporate developers while renters pay up to $2500 per month for a
sub-standard three bedroom apartment.
d. The city has no possible means of enforcing this law as it's been
proposed. This ordinance can only lead to selective (arbitrary) enforcement
which provides unequal justice for tenants who are forced to pay outrageous
sums for lousy housing.
e. Demand full rent control as the real solution to overcrowded housing.
If
rent control weren't repealed in the 80s, renters would have affordable
housing, reducing overcrowding (and illegal conditions) and reducing the
rate of wear on rental properties.
f. Demand an explanation of why the housing stock has been permitted to
decay to its present point and regularly poses a safety and health threat
to
mainly low-income tenants. Most of the city's tenants earn well under the
median income for the Middlesex-Somerset-Hunterdon metropolitan statistical
area and they are entitled to fair housing just like millionaires in
Basking
Ridge.
From: Patricia Adevai <pcvca@...>
Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpcmembers <nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [nbpcmembers] NB council meeting - Tenancy ordinance
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 17:12:51 -0700 (PDT)
To All
I attended the agenda meeting today, Monday June 18.
On Wednesday June 20, 2001 at 4pm a new version of the
ordinance will be presented for 1st reading. I have
no idea what is in it!! No copy was available. Also
no discussion about it. The public can speak on
Wednesday and a copy should be available. The new
ordinance will also be published sometime before the
2nd reading. It is IMPORTANT that you try to attend
Wednesday to be sure that the name and noise
conviction stuff is removed. But be aware that even
if the name and the noise conviction stuff is removed,
this ordinance will effect you. There still is the
problem of posting number of occupants on your wall,
the number of occupants that will be allowed in the
apartment and the cost to the landlord of registration
and the cost of inspection, which the landlord will
most likely pass on to the tenant. The problem with
the number of occupants is the standard to determine
the allowed occupancy. The NB Propety Maintenace
ordinance is more restrictive than the state law of
NJ. The NB Propety Maintenace code was first enacted
sometime in 1978 (I think) and ever since, regardless
of the state law, the city has been trying to enforce
the stricter standard. Some of you pay for a lot of
garbage tickets, do you really want to pay for
inspecions too?????
Remember Wednesday, JUNE 20,2001 4PM City Hall !!
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to address several of your points, matt: >If the problem was that people were tired of receiving 10 postings/day from >the same person, then that could have been better dealt with, perhaps, by >setting a limit to one post per day per person. At least then people would >spend more time actually doing things then spewing irrelevant shite into >the >virtual vacuum. this is a great suggestion that I would've love to heard a few months ago. As it is, the 'nbpcmembers@tc' list is now dominated by >landlords and lawyer types. aside from the adevai's and Flavio, who exactly are you referring to? or is it because there's not rampant sloganeering it's not the "revolutionary front" you hope it to be? doesn't the fact that progressive landlords and "lawyer types" participate indicate that it is a true united front? Which is cool, we're glad to have them; except >banning the 'vocal minority' has actually alienated the Peoples Campaign >even more from the hardest hit neighborhoods in NB. This can be >demonstrated objectively whether or not I or you like it. please demonstrate this objectively to me... It would be counterproductive if people got the impression that the >Peoples Campaign is more of a revolutionary democratic United Front then it >really is. do you read what you're writing, matt? so a " revolutionary democratic united front" is supposed to be represented by vicious, slanderous, negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering? we are all just supposed to "put up with it" or, better yet, try to "out wit" cliff and joe at every turn? This equates to the "love it or leave it" line so embraced by right-wing turds. you misunderstand, i believe, the history of this egroup. people stopped writing relevent emails with opinions because they were tired of being harrassed for not being "REVOLUTIONARY" enough. not because they have nothing clever to say. That is the MO of BoL just keep arguing until everyone else just shuts up. I believe the conflict is about the defining of 'revolutionary' and 'united front'. based on what you've written over the last few months, i think we disagree. i think this is okay , and i hope that we can look to practical results to figure out what works in reality. looking forward to wednesday, kristina _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Kris- *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not intended to be a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more accurately & point out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been dominated by the class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working class community on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been made against them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but NJFO has been historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had made inroads into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of students & graduates. *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that advocating 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've consistantly criticized what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and 'murder-mouth' sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my experiences because I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree that it is time to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep beating the same old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that NJFO 'gave up' it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* based on the hard fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU shell...in other words, the butterfly never left the branch. This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* is the nature of revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a United Front. (I think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what are the points of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree on in substance not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't get any closer to the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander you because you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the heart because it shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with you. I think we can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them to those of "right-wing turds". 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # of postings to one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied with my revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a United Front; that NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a position against publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike Together") to appease the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were generally abandoning U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that this tendency of bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of trial and error with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' space for some kind of 'real' unity. Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. It's hard to have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot will be determined by how we approach our potential for the future, beginning on Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you then. Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the Essence Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:07:38 to address several of your points, matt: >If the problem was that people were tired of receiving 10 postings/day from >the same person, then that could have been better dealt with, perhaps, by >setting a limit to one post per day per person. At least then people would >spend more time actually doing things then spewing irrelevant shite into >the >virtual vacuum. this is a great suggestion that I would've love to heard a few months ago. As it is, the 'nbpcmembers@tc' list is now dominated by >landlords and lawyer types. aside from the adevai's and Flavio, who exactly are you referring to? or is it because there's not rampant sloganeering it's not the "revolutionary front" you hope it to be? doesn't the fact that progressive landlords and "lawyer types" participate indicate that it is a true united front? Which is cool, we're glad to have them; except >banning the 'vocal minority' has actually alienated the Peoples Campaign >even more from the hardest hit neighborhoods in NB. This can be >demonstrated objectively whether or not I or you like it. please demonstrate this objectively to me... It would be counterproductive if people got the impression that the >Peoples Campaign is more of a revolutionary democratic United Front then it >really is. do you read what you're writing, matt? so a " revolutionary democratic united front" is supposed to be represented by vicious, slanderous, negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering? we are all just supposed to "put up with it" or, better yet, try to "out wit" cliff and joe at every turn? This equates to the "love it or leave it" line so embraced by right-wing turds. you misunderstand, i believe, the history of this egroup. people stopped writing relevent emails with opinions because they were tired of being harrassed for not being "REVOLUTIONARY" enough. not because they have nothing clever to say. That is the MO of BoL just keep arguing until everyone else just shuts up. I believe the conflict is about the defining of 'revolutionary' and 'united front'. based on what you've written over the last few months, i think we disagree. i think this is okay , and i hope that we can look to practical results to figure out what works in reality. looking forward to wednesday, kristina _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Subject: Vieques Protesters Stop Bombing---Desobedientes civiles detienen
bombardeo
Date: 21 Jun 2001 02:41:02 -0000
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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010620/wl/vieques_bombing_20.html
Wednesday June 20 6:23 PM ET
Vieques Protesters Stop Bombing Run
By MARCELO BALLVE, Associated Press Writer
VIEQUES, Puerto Rico (AP) - Security officials detained two protesters
Wednesday after they allegedly ignited a warning flare from the edge of
the Vieques island firing range, forcing Navy jets to abort a bombing
exercise.
``The important thing is that we identified these guys before the aircraft
came in and were able to ensure that nobody got hurt,'' said Lt. Cmdr.
Katherine Goode, a Navy spokeswoman.
Protesters have been invading the Navy's land in hopes of blocking the
latest in six decades of bombing exercises that they charge have harmed
the environment and health of people on the outlying Puerto Rican island.
Activists have not been appeased by President Bush (news - web sites)'s
announcement last week that the Navy will withdraw in two years, saying
the bombing should stop immediately.
Goode said that around 1 p.m., as jets were flying in for the first
bombing sortie of the day, two men were spotted and one let off a flare.
``They were just outside the range,'' Goode said. ``They were close enough
for us to turn the aircraft around. We have a wide safety margin.''
She would not give more details, but the Navy has been dropping 25-pound
and 500-pound dummy bombs since it resumed exercises here on Monday.
The two protesters were detained, and Goode said the Navy was closing the
range temporarily to search for other trespassers.
``We won't reopen the range until they've done a thorough enough sweep to
ensure there's nobody else out there,'' she said.
The Navy previously has insisted that its land was free of protesters
before it started bombing runs, while activist groups have published the
names of protesters they said were on range.
Protest leader Robert Rabin said it was not the first time protesters were
there when the jets came over.
``This has been constant,'' he said. ``The Navy won't admit it. They're
still saying there are no people out there.''
Rabin, who keeps in contact with protesters in Navy land, said the
protesters also had placed a large sign declaring ``Fuera la Marina'' -
Navy get out.
Rabin is among a small group of activists and environmentalists whose
years-long campaign to stop the bombing became an island-wide cause after
two stray bombs killed a civilian guard on the range in 1999.
The cause has attracted supporters within the U.S. civil rights movement.
The wife of civil rights campaigner Jesse Jackson, Jacqueline Jackson, was
jailed Tuesday for trespassing. The Rev. Al Sharpton was sentenced to 90
days for trespassing during May exercises and has been on a hunger strike
in a New York jail since May 29.
On Wednesday, Jesse Jackson said he will travel to Puerto Rico on Friday
to visit his jailed wife.
``She is spiritually resolved to use her presence and her suffering to
help stop the bombing in Vieques,'' Jackson said by telephone from Los
Angeles. The Jacksons lead the Chicago-based Rainbow/Push Coalition civil
rights group.
Jackson said he had no plans to try to enter Navy land himself.
``We want to meet with President Bush to ask him to stop the bombing now -
not wait until 2003,'' Jackson said. He said he had called the White House
on Wednesday to ask for a meeting with congressional and religious leaders
but had not yet received a response.
Meanwhile, the Navy said that a destroyer participating in the exercises,
the USS Ross, struck and killed a whale.
Sailors had received special courses in spotting whales, but the animal
was submerged when the ship hit it Monday, Navy spokesman Bob Nelson said.
Sailors spotted the carcass floating in the water, Nelson said. It was not
clear what type of whale it was. ``It's an unfortunate accident,'' he said.
Activists have begun a campaign to persuade islanders to vote for an
immediate end to the exercises in a nonbinding referendum scheduled by the
Puerto Rican government for July 29.
The July 29 referendum gives Vieques residents the option to demand the
Navy leave immediately. A federal government-sanctioned referendum
scheduled in November only allows islanders to decide whether the Navy
should stay or leave in 2003.
=============================================
El Nuevo D�a
Desobedientes civiles detienen pr�cticas
mi�rcoles, 20 de junio de 2001
VIEQUES (EFE) - Dos desobedientes civiles lograron detener hoy en la tarde
los bombardeos de la Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos en el pol�gono
de tiro en Vieques. El dato fue confirmado a EFE por Roberto Nelson,
portavoz de asuntos p�blicos de la Marina en la base Roosevelt Roads en
Vieques.
Nelson explic� que aviones destacados en el portaaviones Teodoro Roosevelt
se aprestaban a iniciar sus vuelos y lanzar bombas, pero dos desobedientes
aparecieron en el pol�gono de tiro.
De inmediato, los dos desobedientes, cuya identidad no ofreci� Nelson,
fueron detenidos para ser procesados por el delito menos graves de
traspasar una zona restringida del gobierno federal.
Nelson a�adi� que tan pronto se certifique que en la zona no hay m�s
personas se continuar� con los bombardeos aire tierra.
El portavoz del Comit� pro Rescate y Desarrollo de Vieques, Robert Rabin,
asegur� que los dos desobedientes portaban banderas que le�an "Paz para
Vieques" y "Fuera la Marina".
Los bombardeos detenidos por los desobedientes iban a ser los primeros que
se efectuaban hoy, mi�rcoles, en Vieques, pues s�lo se ha bombardeado en
alta mar en las aguas cercanas a la isla estadounidense de de Santa Cruz.
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Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and progressive professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an architect which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is that we need to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why the campaign lacked a working class base. Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold grassroots coalition on building a full scale model house in the United Nations for a convention on low-income housing. After a week of working together, I asked their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the organization. He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you can join what you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of organizing, and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, *not* the technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant tendancy, or ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it doesn't mean that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date rescheduled yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has historically been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with working class consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be compromised, because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like so many of our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the W.C. will ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary technicians to get it together and participate in the construction of an actual United Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means necessary. -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the Essence Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political leaders had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both politics as well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he explained, a person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly political." The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe that to be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. While petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of ed and municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be permissible to get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which are invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some other turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary asking him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict (Can't happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all rent increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of return for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and improvements to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a democratically- elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has just such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. Shouldn't the nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the rent point, rather than demanding something already on the books? I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the technical homework on our political work and outreach? Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of credibility is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of English capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of the purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be enhanced by welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the campaign's goals and who have the relevant technical and professional knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who understands how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can mouth a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive technician/professional. --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Kris- > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not intended to be > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more accurately & point > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been dominated by the > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working class community > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been made against > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but NJFO has been > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had made inroads > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of students & > graduates. > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that advocating > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've consistantly criticized > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and 'murder-mouth' > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my experiences because > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree that it is time > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep beating the same > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that NJFO 'gave up' > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* based on the hard > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU shell...in other words, > the butterfly never left the branch. > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* is the nature of > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a United Front. (I > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what are the points > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree on in substance > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't get any closer to > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander you because > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the heart because it > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with you. I think we > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them to those of > "right-wing turds". > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # of postings to > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied with my > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a United Front; that > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a position against > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike Together") to appease > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were generally abandoning > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that this tendency of > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of trial and error > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' space for some > kind of 'real' unity. > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. It's hard to > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot will be > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, beginning on > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you then. 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Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. Matthew and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class with the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. I've personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with thousands of working class people who were down with community control, down with the platform, down with democracy. As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I personally met can talk the issues much better than some local 'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to listen. You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is, informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, etc. But you may still say we lacked working class base. As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to represent working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and my experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the campaign experience. As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet know what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that deserves much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush forces. That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores the political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for pro-democratic forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark. If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend that the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign was not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed investigation. I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed with Greens and Republicans. It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends in revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in this ongoing debate. I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and progressive > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an architect > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is that we need > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why the campaign > lacked a working class base. > > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold grassroots > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United Nations for a > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working together, I asked > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the organization. > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you can join what > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of organizing, > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, *not* the > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant tendancy, or > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it doesn't mean > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date rescheduled > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has historically > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with working class > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be compromised, > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like so many of > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the W.C. will > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary technicians to > get it together and participate in the construction of an actual United > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means necessary. > > -Matt > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Groovemeister007@y... > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > To: nbpcmembers@y... > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the Essence > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political leaders > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both politics as > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he explained, a > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly > political." > > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe that to > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. While > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of ed and > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be permissible to > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which are > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some other > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary asking > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict (Can't > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all rent > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of return > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and improvements > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a democratically- > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has just > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. Shouldn't the > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the rent > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the technical > homework on our political work and outreach? > > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of credibility > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of English > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of the > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be enhanced by > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the campaign's > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who understands > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can mouth > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive > technician/professional. > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > Kris- > > > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not > intended to be > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > accurately & point > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been dominated > by the > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working class > community > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been made > against > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but NJFO > has been > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had made > inroads > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of students & > > graduates. > > > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that advocating > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've consistantly > criticized > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and 'murder-mouth' > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my experiences > because > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree that it > is time > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep beating > the same > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that > NJFO 'gave up' > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* based on > the hard > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU shell...in > other words, > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* is the > nature of > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a United > Front. (I > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what are the > points > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree on in > substance > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't get any > closer to > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander you > because > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the heart > because it > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with you. I > think we > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them to > those of > > "right-wing turds". > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # of > postings to > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied with > my > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a United > Front; that > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a position > against > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike Together") to > appease > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were generally > abandoning > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that this > tendency of > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of trial and > error > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' space > for some > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. It's > hard to > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot will be > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, > beginning on > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you then. > Matt > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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<< In the '00 formation of the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign, this same "Boycott!"/"Expel!" element encouraged all Campaign members to register Republican (as against the "local" Democratic machine), orchestrated the local Republican Party chairmanship of anti-Communist Frank Bright, put Bright on the Campaign steering committee (over our local activist Black youth, Jason Hankins), enabled Bright's anti-Communist slander of Joe Smith, defended long-time Republican Curtis Warren's pro-imperialist violations of the Campaign program, and finally, again, expelled myself, Joe Smith, Nicole Engel, Tamara Dahan, Jason Hankins, and Nestor Valdez from the Campaign after we attacked this "Revolutionary"/Republican Alliance. The Campaign lost. As did the Elected School Board Campaign. We are currently persona non grata in the Peoples' Campaign, and have been expelled from its internet site. >> Concerning this section, Cliff, your reminisces are inaccurate, to say the least. My "slander" was to ask Joe "Are you going to use the Elected School Board Question to further a Marxist party?" He said "Yeah." And another candidate was nominated, by myself, that I felt would promote the question for what it is: a move to democracy that would greatly benefit the education of our youth. Instead of reacting in a personally harsh attitude to people because they engage in fair, direct democracy, perhaps it would be better to engage people where they are at. In the time before you were expelled, you personally and unfairly attacked at least a half dozen people in the most nasty and unpedagogical ways. Therefore, to call me an anti-Communist is wrong. If anything I was and still am "anti-nasty." My chairmanship was supported by many different groups and has given the people a voice in redistricting, polling sites, fairer general elections and a Housing Authority board that is more resident oriented. It has also illustrated by working together in fairness and respect to the principles of direct democracy, we can vote the current regime out. I am writing this in peace.
I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum.
Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we agreed upon at that
meeting.
One of the problems that has become apparent is that we don't have
agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term "working class base".
Paul writes:
"Matthew and others have contended that we didn�t reach the working
class with the NBPC. I can�t think of many things farther from the truth.
I�ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that we spoke with
thousands of working class people who were down with community control,
down with the platform, down with democracy."
Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you canvas and if
they like what you say. This is not what Marxist-Leninists mean by base.
We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body of the campaign. To
have a working class base you must have working class leadership and working
class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on the facts of this
issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the campaign?
Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you will see that it is
made up of students and led by students or former students. This is a simple
fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy.
That there was working class sympathy no one is denying, this sympathy
is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are looking for
excuses say that working people don't have time for meetings. This is not
true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as pointless but many
workers spend entire Sundays at church
and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople are very active we
just have not combined and networked with them because we want them to join
us rather than joining them.
Further along Paul wrote:
"As a communist, I�ll say that our most important job is to represent
working class interests whenever and wherever possible."
We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to organize the
working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin explained in What is to
be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class movemnt. The
middle class claiming to represent working class interests is a long
standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for instance or
better yet check out the history. Look at the split between Malcom and the
NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class struggling against the
petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement.
Paul continues:
"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, the NBPC was
roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which revolutionaries sold
out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush forces."
Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not dismissed and certainly
not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually conservative not
adventurist).
What did happen is that we were able to come to an agreemnet as to some
specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the campaign did not
put forward any national agenda, program, or principles in any consistent
way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race whatsoever, and
that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign itself. Paul
is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are agreed upon
facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no discussion of
national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting somewhere.
Paul makes this point when he writes:
"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic alliances which
barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and
revolutionary politics"
Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to are with the
Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those alliances so
long as they do not result in compromises of principle and political line.
you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you making a joke? The
campaign did not attack the serial
killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency because we had
republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that Nader's candidacy
was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in the Green party. The
working class knows that. The working class line in November was Beat Bush!
Demand more from Gore!
The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term sacrifices
for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is textbook
opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your statment that we are
ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". Paul, what is the
largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is it. To dismiss the
national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is precesly what
was done, is opportunism.
We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for reforms
because we want revolution and we fight locally because that is how we make
change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends because it is
easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout socialism and it is
easier to fight for reforms without talking about revolution this is
social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on Bernstein if you
are interested.
Paul wrote:
"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly
exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend that the
campaign didn�t have a working class base, that the campaign was not
revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed
investigation."
This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and your glue whaever
you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is opportunism
is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If you are going to
accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For arguemenst
sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your charge that
we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch but its where we
are I guess.
But what does this mean "Without detailed investigation" The facts are
that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until November 7. I don't
think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked on it every single
day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I did not miss one
steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with business
owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create most of the
literature, I help to organize the first meeting and chaired many of the
following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I am not patting my
back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed investigation". What would
you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? Should I sit down
and interview you about your canvassing experience?
Paul continues:
"I don�t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to
pro-NBPC arguments. That�s not only unprinicipled, but opportunist because
they use their unfounded arguments to discount the revolutionary practice of
the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is predicated on the
less-significant alliances
formed with Greens and Republicans."
If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and Greens" did not
determine the fact that the Campign had no National Program, No National
agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united front which included
republicans and at best very confused
greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the Presidential
election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly opportunist
(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of the main reasons we
were defeated in November.
Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul claims U&S just wants
to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors from put blood
sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to claim it as our
own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it or not, my name
appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you are just name
calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism.
Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we lost the
election. Listening to you one would think that we won. You just continually
talk about how much people liked your rap when you canvased them. I do not
doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point.
Paul wrote:
"It�s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends in
revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in this
ongoing debate."
What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in
revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a new plan to raise
a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes your ideas? Or are we
just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the "People's
democratic community center office
space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those pesky msgs
which interfere with "work".
As to the final point, Paul wrote:
"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice?"
This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are having. You
have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. Practice and
theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is theory, to
think about practice is theory. The only time theory is absent is when you
get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports enthusiats refer to as the
"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical experience. To insist on
prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the essence of
Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to do with revolution.
Nor does theory without prcatice.
So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory.
Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is nothing"
That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is reflected when
we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion of what work for
what purpose to what ends.
Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't believe any
mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a theoretical act)
I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our practice"
1. Why did we lose?
2. did we have a national program?
3. did we discuss the presidential election?
4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from Gore, which all
revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan
5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" project after
the November elections instead of remaining involved in electoral politics?
I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't agree on answers to
these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified analysis.
Keith
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in general agreement, i also wd suggest to raise the formal question of the nbpc, "who are the peoples' allies, who are the peoples' enemies? locally & nationally (internationally)" the "zone" is in no way the "absence of theory", rather the complete merger of theory & practice, mind & body, at splitsecond moment in time. 2on, 2out, 2down, 2and2, windup&stretch... cs >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Working class base >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > >I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. >Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we agreed upon at that >meeting. > One of the problems that has become apparent is that we don't have >agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term "working class >base". >Paul writes: > >"Matthew and others have contended that we didn�t reach the working >class with the NBPC. I can�t think of many things farther from the truth. >I�ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that we spoke with >thousands of working class people who were down with community control, >down with the platform, down with democracy." > >Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you canvas and if >they like what you say. This is not what Marxist-Leninists mean by base. >We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body of the campaign. >To >have a working class base you must have working class leadership and >working >class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on the facts of this >issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the campaign? >Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you will see that it is >made up of students and led by students or former students. This is a >simple >fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > That there was working class sympathy no one is denying, this sympathy >is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are looking for >excuses say that working people don't have time for meetings. This is not >true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as pointless but many >workers spend entire Sundays at church >and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople are very active we >just have not combined and networked with them because we want them to join >us rather than joining them. >Further along Paul wrote: >"As a communist, I�ll say that our most important job is to represent >working class interests whenever and wherever possible." >We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to organize the >working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin explained in What is >to >be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class movemnt. The >middle class claiming to represent working class interests is a long >standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for instance or >better yet check out the history. Look at the split between Malcom and the >NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class struggling against >the >petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > >Paul continues: >"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, the NBPC was >roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which revolutionaries sold >out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush forces." > >Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not dismissed and certainly >not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually conservative not >adventurist). >What did happen is that we were able to come to an agreemnet as to some >specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the campaign did not >put forward any national agenda, program, or principles in any consistent >way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race whatsoever, >and >that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign itself. Paul >is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are agreed upon >facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no discussion of >national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting somewhere. > >Paul makes this point when he writes: >"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic alliances which >barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive >and >revolutionary politics" > >Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to are with the >Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those alliances so >long as they do not result in compromises of principle and political line. >you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you making a joke? The >campaign did not attack the serial >killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency because we had >republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that Nader's >candidacy >was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in the Green party. >The >working class knows that. The working class line in November was Beat Bush! >Demand more from Gore! >The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term sacrifices >for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is textbook >opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your statment that we are >ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". Paul, what is >the >largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is it. To dismiss >the >national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is precesly what >was done, is opportunism. >We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for reforms >because we want revolution and we fight locally because that is how we make >change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends because it is >easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout socialism and it is >easier to fight for reforms without talking about revolution this is >social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on Bernstein if you >are interested. >Paul wrote: >"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly >exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend that the >campaign didn�t have a working class base, that the campaign was not >revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed >investigation." >This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and your glue >whaever >you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is opportunism >is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If you are going to >accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For arguemenst >sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your charge that >we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch but its where we >are I guess. > > But what does this mean "Without detailed investigation" The facts are >that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until November 7. I don't >think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked on it every single >day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I did not miss one >steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with business >owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create most of the >literature, I help to organize the first meeting and chaired many of the >following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I am not patting my >back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed investigation". What would >you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? Should I sit down >and interview you about your canvassing experience? > >Paul continues: >"I don�t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to >pro-NBPC arguments. That�s not only unprinicipled, but opportunist because >they use their unfounded arguments to discount the revolutionary practice >of >the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is predicated on the >less-significant alliances >formed with Greens and Republicans." > >If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and Greens" did not >determine the fact that the Campign had no National Program, No National >agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united front which included >republicans and at best very confused >greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the Presidential >election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly opportunist >(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of the main reasons we >were defeated in November. > >Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul claims U&S just wants >to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors from put blood >sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to claim it as our >own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it or not, my name >appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you are just name >calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. >Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we lost the >election. Listening to you one would think that we won. You just >continually >talk about how much people liked your rap when you canvased them. I do not >doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. >Paul wrote: >"It�s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends in >revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in this >ongoing debate." > >What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in >revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a new plan to >raise >a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes your ideas? Or are >we >just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the "People's >democratic community center office >space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those pesky msgs >which interfere with "work". > >As to the final point, Paul wrote: > >"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice?" > >This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are having. You >have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. Practice and >theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is theory, to >think about practice is theory. The only time theory is absent is when you >get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports enthusiats refer to as >the >"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical experience. To insist on >prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the essence of >Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to do with >revolution. >Nor does theory without prcatice. >So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. >Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is nothing" >That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is reflected when >we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion of what work for >what purpose to what ends. > >Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't believe any >mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a theoretical act) > >I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our practice" >1. Why did we lose? >2. did we have a national program? >3. did we discuss the presidential election? >4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from Gore, which all >revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan >5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" project after >the November elections instead of remaining involved in electoral politics? > >I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't agree on answers >to >these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified analysis. > >Keith >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
you drunk, can't remember your slurs after the convention? i can. joe this message is written to declare and point out an ongoing effort of PEOPLES' WAR ON THE RIGHT! to help join these forces let us work to organize circles of revolutionaries. our efforts must be united - no republicans/no splits. >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] (unknown) >Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 17:59:20 EDT > > > ><< In the '00 formation of the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign, this same > "Boycott!"/"Expel!" element encouraged all Campaign members to register > Republican (as against the "local" Democratic machine), orchestrated the > local Republican Party chairmanship of anti-Communist Frank Bright, put > Bright on the Campaign steering committee (over our local activist Black > youth, Jason Hankins), enabled Bright's anti-Communist slander of Joe >Smith, > defended long-time Republican Curtis Warren's pro-imperialist violations >of > the Campaign program, and finally, again, expelled myself, Joe Smith, >Nicole > Engel, Tamara Dahan, Jason Hankins, and Nestor Valdez from the Campaign > after we attacked this "Revolutionary"/Republican Alliance. The Campaign > lost. As did the Elected School Board Campaign. We are currently >persona > non grata in the Peoples' Campaign, and have been expelled from its >internet > site. >> > > >Concerning this section, Cliff, your reminisces are inaccurate, to say the >least. My "slander" was to ask Joe "Are you going to use the Elected School >Board Question to further a Marxist party?" He said "Yeah." And another >candidate was nominated, by myself, that I felt would promote the question >for what it is: a move to democracy that would greatly benefit the >education >of our youth. Instead of reacting in a personally harsh attitude to people >because they engage in fair, direct democracy, perhaps it would be better >to >engage people where they are at. In the time before you were expelled, you >personally and unfairly attacked at least a half dozen people in the most >nasty and unpedagogical ways. Therefore, to call me an anti-Communist is >wrong. If anything I was and still am "anti-nasty." > >My chairmanship was supported by many different groups and has given the >people a voice in redistricting, polling sites, fairer general elections >and >a Housing Authority board that is more resident oriented. It has also >illustrated by working together in fairness and respect to the principles >of >direct democracy, we can vote the current regime out. > >I am writing this in peace. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I made this proposal at the Febuary meeting. Instead it was voted on to
work on a "community center office space or something". Since it is
becoming apparent that project has failed in parctice, I am re-submitting
this proposal. There is more to be said about it since this was four months
ago and things have become clearer, but IU think that it would be a good
start.
I would like to comment on the proposed agenda for Saturday's meeting.
In particular the point about building a "Community Center". Though I am a
member of the steering committee I have not been able to attend many
meetings since the November elections. Nonetheless, I have spent a lot of
time thinking about studying our campaign. I would propose the following
instead of the community center project.
1. Summation of Campaign- we need a scientific summation of our experience.
It should include our successes and shortcomings. We should study who voted
for us and why and who didn't and why. This will allow us to build on our
strengths and work on our weakness.
2. Issue a local literature- We must continue to expose what the city
machine J&J/DevCo etc are up to, but we should put this in a national and
international context of the struggle for democracy.
3. Get on local cable TV- New Brunswick has an unused public access station
that could serve as a forum for all the various groups involved in the
campaign as well as the campaign itself to put forward its ideas.
4. Hold a series of forum's and discussions- Many different groups
participated in the past elections we need forums and public discussions so
that all of the different ideas that went into the campaign can be sorted
out discussed, debated etc. This would also assist our efforts to organize
the community if the discussions were interesting.
5. Struggle for public space- While a community center is a nice idea, the
real issue must be, as the campaign stated, seizing power. This means going
into public spaces and institutions and working with the people and the
programs that already exist and revolutionizing them. For instance the youth
program could be run successfully from a public school and could be
furthered developed as an alternative to the type of teaching and curriculum
that currently exists
6. Participate in some way in the upcoming elections- Since a serial killing
thief now hold the office of presidency and New Jersey is one of two states
with upcoming gubenitorial races it provides us with the perfect opportunity
to on the one hand organize through the govenor election for the 2002 city
council elections (e.g. voter registration, networking, organizing the
community, and on the other to frame the election as a protest against the
Bush robbery. National Republicans have already stated that the upcoming
election in New Jersey is their chance to legitimize Bush as President, we
must prevent this. Undermining Bush's legitimacy exposes the most
un-democratic features of the current US government.
7. Build network/coalitions around these effort in preparation for Fall
Convention and 2002 elections- These projects are the best way I can think
of to broaden expand and deepen our coalition and its roots among the
community in New Brunswick.
The People's Camapign came together around the issue of the election and
so that must remain in focus. The proposal for a community center not only
loses sight of that goal but it relies on fundraising outside of the people
we want to organize which means that even if it works (which I highly doubt)
it will not mobilize and organize the community..
-Keith Joseph
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>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Meeting this Saturday at 2pm >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 04:53:55 -0000 > >This is a response to a msg that was sent to the group by Frank Bright. >From >what he says it appears that it was written by some other party but that >the >ideas are his. >My response is followed by the original msg. > >This proposal is certainly a step forward from the "community center office >space" pipe dream, but it is still a long way from what we need. (By the >way, what is the status of office space fund raising are we on the way to >the 15 large promised by Sepetmber and an opening gala, or are we just >hoping that everyone just forgot about it?) > >It is not suprising that the Chair of the Republican Party is the >originator >of this proposal. >The local republicans would like nothing better than to have an >organization >which would sever as the loyal opposition to the local democrats while >leaving the Reopublicans unscathed. This proposal makes it imnpossible for >the People's Campaign to provide any leadership to the working people, >students and small business of New Brusnwick. It will relegate the campaign >to a small sect of people who compalin at city council meetings. > >The campaign must cease trying to be all things to all people. We should >unite around clear principles of unity and a common platform that should >include local, statewide, and national issues. For instance the >orgainzation >and its principles of unity should be based upon the simple premisis that >New Brunswick is not democratic and this is just a local reflection of the >fact that the United States is not democractic. I am interested in uniting >with people who realize that the United States is not a democracy. From >that basis we can work out the details and hold discussions, without that >level agreemnet we will get no where. > >If we can do a serious analysis of what happened in November and what we >did >right and what we did wrong that would be a huge step forward. We lost the >election. This is a fact. The last meeting had two people at it. This is a >fact. The meetings have been getting smaller and smaller, alsio a fact. If >we face reality we have a chance if we insist on deluding ourselves we will >get nowhere. >The result of November and leading up to it and to some extent since then >have proven that we have a base of support among the students at Rutgers >and >that we have some sympathizers in New Brunswicks working class and small >business communities. We can certainly build on this but the direction that >the current proposal points to is not the way. > >First, we must call for unity around principle of democracy and the strugle >for democarcy. We must find a way to overcome differnces between those of >us >with common goals. The expedient method of expelling dissenters is not the >way to victory. We must unite those who want to fight for democarcy at the >local and national level. Those who don't care about democracy only their >personal advancement we can do without. > > > > >After careful reflection, it is my view that we should, at the 6/30/01 > >meeting, adopt the following two points as the purposes and goals of the > >campaign. It is my view that these points express clear and obtainable > >goals > >which are free of vague ideological content. Thus, all work of the > >Campaign > >- be it helping the Court Tavern, opposing the tenancy inspection > >ordinance, > >surveying, press, afterschool programs, FCA case against the housing > >authority, etc. - will be measured by asking the question: does it >support > >these purposes, or not, and if so, to what degree (so we can determine >the > >amount of resources to commit). > > > >I humbly submit this for your thoughts and discussion. > > > > 1. To secure the passage the New Brunswick Democracy and > >Accountability > >Ordinance of 2001 by a popular referendum to be held at the 2001 general > >election. > > > > EXPLANATORY NOTE. > > > > The objects of this ordinance will be (a) to regulate the meeting > >times > >of the council and other public entities in New Brunswick and to suppress > >any > >efforts to hold meetings at times when it would be a burden for working > >families to attend such meetings; (b) to require one week advance notice >of > >all agenda items absent exigent circumstances; (c) to require the online > >publication of agendas, proposed, and passed measures and, for those > >without > >the internet, to require availability of copies of same at minimal or no > >cost; (d) to improve the public's access to municipal records under the > >open > >records laws by way of speedier response times and reduced copying costs; > >and > >(e) to mandate substantial periods of open public debate at all municipal > >entity meetings. > > > > 2. To win the mayor's seat and the two city council seats which >will > >be > >open in the 2002 general election, and pass a referendum providing for an > >elected board of education. > > > > EXPLANATORY NOTE. > > > > The People's Campaign will devote all its efforts to winning all the > >municipal seats open in the 2002 general election and passing the board >of > >education question at that time. The candidates chosen must make a > >demonstrable commitment to substantially improving the quality of life >for > >all persons residing in New Brunswick. The candidates will run on a > >platform > >demonstrably supported by substantial numbers of residents from all >races, > >ethnicities, and socioeconomic status. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Back up your statements with facts, Joe
$ight $oaries - da third eye (bright?moron!) fact - you attribute communism to be divisive why don't you now explain why you nominated jim to lead a campaign he has no relationship to? also in this explanation must be your analysis of why you do not agree with karl marx. also in this explanation must be your analysis of why you do not support the struggle for democracy. also in this explanation must be your analysis of community control and what you have done to achieve the nbpc platform demand for community control. if you claim to be for the people, you must relinquish your republican affiliation and join them. Main Target - $chundler $ympathizers/$upporters Main Actions - Propoganda & Agitation/Voter Registration Main Demand - Peoples' Democracy Revolutionaries Unite!!!!!! >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] (unknown) >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 07:44:51 EDT > > > >Back up your statements with facts, Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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(re: paul)
through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why.
not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans.
why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would
rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself?
i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left.
to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a revolutionary
democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the expulsion
of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in the
peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of the
national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, there has
yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc.
yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents through the
canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was led by BOL.
the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through the
outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the outreach
committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc?
you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered
REPUBLICANS!
as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the losing %.
Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier?
if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary
democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get involved?
why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN
AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. currently
there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on public
housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions on public
housing. or is there not a difference??????????????????????
nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city council. how
many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy?
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>
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> >From: shorepaulie@...
> >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base?
> >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000
> >>
> >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need
> >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base.
> >>
> >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. Matthew
> >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class with
> >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. I've
> >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with
> >>thousands of working class people who were down with community
> >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy.
> >>
> >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I
> >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local
> >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to listen.
> >>
> >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was
> >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The
> >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is,
> >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working
> >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued
> >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our
> >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, etc.
> >>
> >>But you may still say we lacked working class base.
> >>
> >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to represent
> >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my
> >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many
> >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and my
> >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the
> >>campaign experience.
> >>
> >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet know
> >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that deserves
> >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night,
> >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which
> >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with
> >>pro-Bush forces.
> >>
> >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores the
> >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political
> >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the campaign
> >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected
> >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and
> >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working
> >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for pro-democratic
> >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any
> >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But
> >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark.
> >>
> >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly
> >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend that
> >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign was
> >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed
> >>investigation.
> >>
> >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to
> >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist
> >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the
> >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary
> >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed with
> >>Greens and Republicans.
> >>
> >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends in
> >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in
> >>this ongoing debate.
> >>
> >>
> >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening---
> >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and progressive
> >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an
> >>architect
> >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is that
> >>we need
> >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why the
> >>campaign
> >> > lacked a working class base.
> >> >
> >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold
>grassroots
> >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United Nations
> >>for a
> >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working together,
> >>I asked
> >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the
> >>organization.
> >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you can
> >>join what
> >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of
> >>organizing,
> >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, *not* the
> >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant
> >>tendancy, or
> >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it doesn't
> >>mean
> >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date
> >>rescheduled
> >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has
> >>historically
> >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with working
> >>class
> >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be
>compromised,
> >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like so
> >>many of
> >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the
> >>W.C. will
> >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary
> >>technicians to
> >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an actual
>United
> >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means necessary.
> >> >
> >> > -Matt
> >> >
> >> > ----Original Message Follows----
> >> > From: Groovemeister007@y...
> >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >> > To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the Essence
> >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000
> >> >
> >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political leaders
> >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both politics as
> >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law).
> >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he explained, a
> >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly
> >> > political."
> >> >
> >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe that to
> >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. While
> >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of ed and
> >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be permissible to
> >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which are
> >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some other
> >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary asking
> >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict (Can't
> >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC
> >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all rent
> >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of return
> >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and improvements
> >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a democratically-
> >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living
> >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has just
> >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is
> >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. Shouldn't the
> >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the rent
> >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books?
> >> >
> >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the technical
> >> > homework on our political work and outreach?
> >> >
> >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of credibility
> >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of English
> >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of the
> >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup).
> >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be enhanced by
> >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the campaign's
> >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional
> >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral
> >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who understands
> >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in,
> >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can mouth
> >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive
> >> > technician/professional.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> >> > > Kris-
> >> > >
> >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not
> >> > intended to be
> >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more
> >> > accurately & point
> >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been dominated
> >> > by the
> >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'.
> >> > >
> >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working class
> >> > community
> >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been made
> >> > against
> >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but NJFO
> >> > has been
> >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had made
> >> > inroads
> >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of students
>&
> >> > > graduates.
> >> > >
> >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that advocating
> >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous,
> >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've consistantly
> >> > criticized
> >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and 'murder-mouth'
> >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my experiences
> >> > because
> >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree that it
> >> > is time
> >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep beating
> >> > the same
> >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that
> >> > NJFO 'gave up'
> >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* based on
> >> > the hard
> >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU shell...in
> >> > other words,
> >> > > the butterfly never left the branch.
> >> > >
> >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* is the
> >> > nature of
> >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a United
> >> > Front. (I
> >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what are
>the
> >> > points
> >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree on in
> >> > substance
> >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't get any
> >> > closer to
> >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander you
> >> > because
> >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the heart
> >> > because it
> >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with you. I
> >> > think we
> >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...)
> >> > >
> >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen:
> >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them to
> >> > those of
> >> > > "right-wing turds".
> >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # of
> >> > postings to
> >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied with
> >> > my
> >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a United
> >> > Front; that
> >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a
>position
> >> > against
> >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike Together") to
> >> > appease
> >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were generally
> >> > abandoning
> >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that this
> >> > tendency of
> >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of trial and
> >> > error
> >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' space
> >> > for some
> >> > > kind of 'real' unity.
> >> > >
> >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. It's
> >> > hard to
> >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot will be
> >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future,
> >> > beginning on
> >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you then.
> >> > Matt
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get involved? joe From: "Thomas DeGloma" <tdegloma@...> Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0000 > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joe, Please note I never said Marxism is divisive. I said your predominant view of the Elected BOE question was to further, primarily, a Marxist Party. I find that putting ideology before people is irrational. 'Ideology was made by man for man, not vice verse.' Not for nothing, Luceno ain't a bad guy. When he and Nikki led the media committee they had a lot of perspective. Unfortunately, the leadership at the time was, even then, not giving the current members a voice. Most media committee members are gone now ... the Feb 10th vote was a last chance for most. I am braced for your response and name calling. "You may fire when ready, Gridley."
marxism is divisive, liar. it divides the people from their republican imperialist enemies. the evening after the convention, after the new brunswick community overwhelmingly voted for joe & his marxist, peoples' ideology, against yr candidate, to head the elected board of education campaign, you in yr inebriation, spun through the post-convention party calling joe "divisive". it is you who is irrational & places personal "ideology" before the peoples' interests. or how many signatures did you or yr associates gather to place the board of ed question on the ballot last yr? or any of the times it was up for election? talk is cheap, hater. cliff >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 22:33:12 EDT > > >Joe, > >Please note I never said Marxism is divisive. I said your predominant view >of >the Elected BOE question was to further, primarily, a Marxist Party. I find >that putting ideology before people is irrational. 'Ideology was made by >man >for man, not vice verse.' > >Not for nothing, Luceno ain't a bad guy. When he and Nikki led the media >committee they had a lot of perspective. Unfortunately, the leadership at >the >time was, even then, not giving the current members a voice. Most media >committee members are gone now ... the Feb 10th vote was a last chance for >most. > >I am braced for your response and name calling. > >"You may fire when ready, Gridley." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to think >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to the Fight >Club in all of us. > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the NJFO and NBPC >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made your >point >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without >encouraging >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical action. > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should always make >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if you had >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) into the >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate amount at the >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be spent >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in meetings. >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it is much > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are finding some > >points of agreement. > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I hope we can > >work > >on. > > > >Paul wrote: > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint is that >the > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our relationship > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with greens > >and > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" That's been > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former students >and > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant support > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > >classes. > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class slogan > >in > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not forwarding the > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated ourselves from > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on election > >day. > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > >alienate > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our strongest > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the activist >core. > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a choice > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek student > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working class. > >The > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe (including Paul, > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the working >class > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for democracy > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a more long > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the movemnt is > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > >Paul continues: > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every party in >the > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no matter how > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > >national > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to suppress > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must have a >united > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the machine" we > >don't > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all have to >want > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational unity with > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we don't >have > >time. > > > >Paul wrote: > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct line on > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious thinking." > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in general. Lokk at > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked harder spent > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think anyone >saved > >anything for November 8. > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We worked as > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't have a good > >political line. > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I think that > >is > >exactly the point. > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > >organize > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the implications for > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > >weapons? > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the working class to > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary ideology with > >the > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done adresses >the > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh Russian > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of various > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and Bolsheviks. It > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure have been >made > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me directly. Hurray >for > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to suggest > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the beginning. I >just > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where it was > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office space". I sd > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the local and > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program or at >leats > >begin too. > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the past six > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think that it is > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can >correct > >myself. > > > >Paul asked: > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right and the >Left > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by "obstruction" >that > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the office > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political line and > >that > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all means I am > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 large >by > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them and you > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned prcatice has > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two hundred > >dollar > >phone bill. > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction charge >clear. > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got on route >80 > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and i kept > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an obstructionist. > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against democracy. > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists are the > >supporters of the office/community center line who have obstructed our > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts criticially >and > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection upon the > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the republican > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this smiling > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek mayor >from > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money and avoid > >criticsm. > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community cnetr fund > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it than we >are > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > >> > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we agreed upon >at > > >that > > > >>meeting. > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we don't >have > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term "working >class > > > >>base". > > > >>Paul writes: > > > >> > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the working > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther from the > > >truth. > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that we spoke >with > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > >control, > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > >> > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you canvas > >and > > > >>if > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what Marxist-Leninists mean by > > >base. > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body of the > > >campaign. > > > >>To > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class leadership and > > > >>working > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on the facts >of > > >this > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > >campaign? > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you will see >that > >it > > > >>is > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former students. This is >a > > > >>simple > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is denying, this > > > >>sympathy > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are >looking > > >for > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for meetings. This >is > > >not > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as pointless >but > > > >>many > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople are very > >active > > >we > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we want them >to > > > >>join > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to >represent > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to organize >the > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin explained in >What > > >is > > > >>to > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class movemnt. > >The > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests is a long > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for >instance > > >or > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split between Malcom >and > > >the > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class struggling > >against > > > >>the > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > >> > > > >>Paul continues: > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, the NBPC >was > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which >revolutionaries > > > >>sold > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush forces." > > > >> > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not dismissed and > > > >>certainly > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually conservative not > > > >>adventurist). > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an agreemnet as to > >some > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the campaign >did > > >not > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles in any > > >consistent > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > >whatsoever, > > > >>and > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign >itself. > > >Paul > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are >agreed > > >upon > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no discussion of > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > >somewhere. > > > >> > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic alliances > >which > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > >progressive > > > >>and > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > >> > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to are with >the > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those >alliances > > >so > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and political > > >line. > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you making a >joke? > > > >>The > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency because we had > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that Nader's > > > >>candidacy > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in the Green > >party. > > > >>The > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in November was >Beat > > > >>Bush! > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term >sacrifices > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is >textbook > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your statment that > >we > > > >>are > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". Paul, >what > >is > > > >>the > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is it. To > >dismiss > > > >>the > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is >precesly > > > >>what > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for >reforms > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because that is how >we > > > >>make > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends >because > >it > > > >>is > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout socialism and it >is > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about revolution this is > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on Bernstein >if > > >you > > > >>are interested. > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend >that > > >the > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the campaign was not > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > > >>investigation." > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and your glue > > > >>whaever > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > >opportunism > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If you are > >going > > > >>to > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > >arguemenst > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your >charge > > >that > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch but its >where > > >we > > > >>are I guess. > > > >> > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed investigation" The >facts > > >are > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until November 7. I > >don't > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked on it every > > > >>single > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I did not >miss > > >one > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with >business > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create most of >the > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and chaired many of > >the > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I am not > >patting > > > >>my > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed investigation". What > > >would > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? Should I sit > > >down > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > >> > > > >>Paul continues: > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > >because > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the revolutionary > > >practice > > > >>of > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is predicated >on > > >the > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > >> > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and Greens" did > >not > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National Program, No > >National > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united front which > > >included > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > >Presidential > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > >opportunist > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of the main > >reasons > > > >>we > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > >> > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul claims U&S just > > >wants > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors from put > > >blood > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to claim it >as > > >our > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it or not, >my > > >name > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you are just > >name > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we lost the > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. You just > > > >>continually > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you canvased them. I >do > > >not > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends >in > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in > >this > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > >> > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a new plan >to > > > >>raise > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes your ideas? >Or > > >are > > > >>we > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > >"People's > > > >>democratic community center office > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those pesky > >msgs > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > >> > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > >> > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice?" > > > >> > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are having. >You > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. Practice >and > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is >theory, > > >to > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is absent is > >when > > > >>you > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports enthusiats refer >to > >as > > > >>the > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical experience. To > >insist > > >on > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the >essence > >of > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to do with > > > >>revolution. > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is >nothing" > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is >reflected > > >when > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion of what >work > > >for > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > >> > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't believe >any > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a theoretical > >act) > > > >> > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our practice" > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from Gore, which > >all > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > >>5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" project > > >after > > > >>the November elections instead of remaining involved in electoral > > > >>politics? > > > >> > > > >>I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't agree on > > >answers > > > >>to > > > >>these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified analysis. > > > >> > > > >>Keith > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > >>nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:21:27 -0000 > >Paul, >If you don't want to have the discussion, what can I tell you. I think that >so far it has been productive and comraderly. The fight club refernce is >lost on me. Unless you disgaree with my assesment of the tone and spirit of >the discussion thus far, I would guess either your are running out of >arguements, or you are being influenced by someone who fears struggle. > > As to the obstruction charge; I think that you are refusing to look >at >it dialectically. First, you say I should have orgainzed people to do the >things that I suggested. Actually, Paul, that's exactly what I did. >Revolutionaries in New Brunswick and their allies in other cities have put >out two issues of Unity & Struggle as well as a pamphlet by Baraka and >AmiriBaraka.com now exists. U&S is being put on a more stable foting >reflective our our actual conditions and we are in the process of uniting >with our allies in BNF and have already done so with Revolutionaries from >Pa'lante. We have also begun to find ways to unite with revolutionaries in >SWORD. While there are certainly shortcomings in these efforts. We think >that we are further along then we have ever been. > It is my line and my comrdaes in U&S that these are the most pressing >tasks of revolutionaries; in two words agitation and propaganda. I say you >refuse to look at it dialectically because you seem to think that you and >whoever you are organizing with have cornered the market on revolutionary >activity, that nothing else exists. > Paul your masg. confuses me because you say struggle over political >line in meetings is a waste of "precious time" that could be spent "putting >people into action". Paul at best you seem to believe that "doing work" or >practice is good in itself. I don't believe that. Before I get "put into >action", I want to know what the action is and what purpose it serves. I >don't do "work" for work's sake. And I would never encourage anyone else to >do so. I "worked" in NJFO since 1994 and the political line has been >essenatially the same as the one you are upholding. We started to break out >of it when we began the campaign but it is back in full force. A bunch of >college students and former students canvasing New Brunswick has never won >any referedum nor will it. The only way to advance on the local level is to >cease acting unilaterally. And to begin to struggle tirelessly for unity of >ALL progressive, revolutionary democartic forces and unite with the working >people and democartic middle classes of New Brunswick. Especially their >existing organziations. Another "join us" effort or worse "don't join us" >effort will fail. > I think that fundraising for an office community democracy people's >center space is an obstruction to revolutionary political work. Also I >think >that that line (office space blah blah) is dead in the water. And more >that >those who support it refuse to ackowledge that it is a failure, and an >incorrect line in PRACTICE as well as in theory the less we will be able to >move forward.. Mao explains that the internal contradictions of a thing or >process are primary over the external. I raise that point because I am sure >that in addition to the accusation of obstructionism, we are also being >blamed for the failure of this political line. > Paul, the accusatuion of "obstructionism" in the local movement is >the >catchall that has been used histroically to force splits and expulsions. It >is leveled against anyone who disagrees and has the courage to stand by and >struggle for their line. As you may or may not know Cliff was expelled from >NJFO in 1996 because he oppossed the ultra-left formulation of "Maoism" as >well as the Hungerford's line of Boycatting the presidentail election. He >was a minority of one. Evry excuse was sought to get rid of his >"obstructionism". I can remember one meeting were he asked repeatedly "what >is Maoism". This enraged the froup because on the one hand we were >"Maoists" >and on the other we didn't know what it was; in that position how can you >answer the question. There is an answer expulsion. Unfortunatelt Cliff >provided the pret-text by assaulting women in the organiztion. But the fact >remains that he was expelled because if his line (which in that case was >correct) the reasons given for his expulsion were a disingenious pre-text. > Sorry for the stroll down memory lane but these problmes have not >been >sorted out and thus they remain. Paul and anyone else, it is my line that >the obstruction is the office space line and that it has failed and that >there is a persitent refusal to acknowledge that fact. >We need to unite revolutionaries and progressives, correct each other and >put the defeat of Shundler in November on the top of our agenda. > >Keith >PS. I am still enjopying the debate and think that it is productive. > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > > > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to >think > >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to the >Fight > >Club in all of us. > > > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the NJFO and >NBPC > >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made your > >point > >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without > >encouraging > >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical action. > > > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should always make > >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if you had > >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) into the > >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate amount at >the > >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be >spent > >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in >meetings. > >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it is much > > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are finding >some > > >points of agreement. > > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I hope we can > > >work > > >on. > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint is that > >the > > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our >relationship > > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with >greens > > >and > > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" That's >been > > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former students > >and > > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant >support > > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > > >classes. > > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class >slogan > > >in > > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not forwarding >the > > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated ourselves from > > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on election > > >day. > > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > > >alienate > > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our >strongest > > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the activist > >core. > > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a >choice > > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek >student > > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working >class. > > >The > > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe (including Paul, > > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the working > >class > > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for >democracy > > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a more >long > > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the movemnt is > > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > > > >Paul continues: > > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every party in > >the > > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no matter how > > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > > >national > > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to >suppress > > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must have a > >united > > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the machine" we > > >don't > > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all have to > >want > > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational unity >with > > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we don't > >have > > >time. > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct line on > > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious >thinking." > > > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in general. Lokk >at > > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked harder >spent > > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think anyone > >saved > > >anything for November 8. > > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We worked >as > > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't have a >good > > >political line. > > > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I think >that > > >is > > >exactly the point. > > > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > > >organize > > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the implications >for > > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > > >weapons? > > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the working class >to > > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary ideology >with > > >the > > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done adresses > >the > > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh Russian > > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of >various > > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and Bolsheviks. It > > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure have been > >made > > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me directly. Hurray > >for > > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to suggest > > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the beginning. I > >just > > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where it was > > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office space". I >sd > > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the local and > > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program or at > >leats > > >begin too. > > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the past six > > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think that it >is > > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can > >correct > > >myself. > > > > > >Paul asked: > > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right and the > >Left > > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by "obstruction" > >that > > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the office > > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political line and > > >that > > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all means I am > > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 >large > >by > > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them and you > > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned prcatice has > > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two hundred > > >dollar > > >phone bill. > > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction charge > >clear. > > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got on route > >80 > > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and i kept > > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an obstructionist. > > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against >democracy. > > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists are the > > >supporters of the office/community center line who have obstructed our > > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts criticially > >and > > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection upon the > > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the >republican > > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this >smiling > > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek mayor > >from > > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money and >avoid > > >criticsm. > > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community cnetr fund > > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it than we > >are > > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we agreed upon > >at > > > >that > > > > >>meeting. > > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we don't > >have > > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term "working > >class > > > > >>base". > > > > >>Paul writes: > > > > >> > > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the >working > > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther from >the > > > >truth. > > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that we spoke > >with > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > >control, > > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you >canvas > > >and > > > > >>if > > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what Marxist-Leninists mean >by > > > >base. > > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body of the > > > >campaign. > > > > >>To > > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class leadership >and > > > > >>working > > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on the facts > >of > > > >this > > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > > >campaign? > > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you will see > >that > > >it > > > > >>is > > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former students. This >is > >a > > > > >>simple > > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is denying, this > > > > >>sympathy > > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are > >looking > > > >for > > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for meetings. This > >is > > > >not > > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as pointless > >but > > > > >>many > > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople are very > > >active > > > >we > > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we want >them > >to > > > > >>join > > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to > >represent > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to organize > >the > > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin explained in > >What > > > >is > > > > >>to > > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class >movemnt. > > >The > > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests is a >long > > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for > >instance > > > >or > > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split between Malcom > >and > > > >the > > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class struggling > > >against > > > > >>the > > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, the NBPC > >was > > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > >revolutionaries > > > > >>sold > > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush forces." > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not dismissed and > > > > >>certainly > > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually conservative not > > > > >>adventurist). > > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an agreemnet as to > > >some > > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the campaign > >did > > > >not > > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles in any > > > >consistent > > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > > >whatsoever, > > > > >>and > > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign > >itself. > > > >Paul > > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are > >agreed > > > >upon > > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no discussion >of > > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > > >somewhere. > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic alliances > > >which > > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > > >progressive > > > > >>and > > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to are with > >the > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those > >alliances > > > >so > > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and >political > > > >line. > > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you making a > >joke? > > > > >>The > > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency because we >had > > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that Nader's > > > > >>candidacy > > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in the Green > > >party. > > > > >>The > > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in November was > >Beat > > > > >>Bush! > > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term > >sacrifices > > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is > >textbook > > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your statment >that > > >we > > > > >>are > > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". Paul, > >what > > >is > > > > >>the > > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is it. To > > >dismiss > > > > >>the > > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is > >precesly > > > > >>what > > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for > >reforms > > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because that is >how > >we > > > > >>make > > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends > >because > > >it > > > > >>is > > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout socialism and >it > >is > > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about revolution this >is > > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on >Bernstein > >if > > > >you > > > > >>are interested. > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it >certainly > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend > >that > > > >the > > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the campaign was >not > > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > > > >>investigation." > > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and your >glue > > > > >>whaever > > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > > >opportunism > > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If you are > > >going > > > > >>to > > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > > >arguemenst > > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your > >charge > > > >that > > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch but its > >where > > > >we > > > > >>are I guess. > > > > >> > > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed investigation" The > >facts > > > >are > > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until November 7. I > > >don't > > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked on it >every > > > > >>single > > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I did not > >miss > > > >one > > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with > >business > > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create most of > >the > > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and chaired many >of > > >the > > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I am not > > >patting > > > > >>my > > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed investigation". >What > > > >would > > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? Should I >sit > > > >down > > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to >to > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > > >because > > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the revolutionary > > > >practice > > > > >>of > > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is >predicated > >on > > > >the > > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > > >> > > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and Greens" >did > > >not > > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National Program, No > > >National > > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united front which > > > >included > > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > > >Presidential > > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > > >opportunist > > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of the main > > >reasons > > > > >>we > > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > > >> > > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul claims U&S >just > > > >wants > > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors from >put > > > >blood > > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to claim it > >as > > > >our > > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it or not, > >my > > > >name > > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you are >just > > >name > > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we lost the > > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. You just > > > > >>continually > > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you canvased them. >I > >do > > > >not > > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current >trends > >in > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible >in > > >this > > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > > >> > > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a new >plan > >to > > > > >>raise > > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes your ideas? > >Or > > > >are > > > > >>we > > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > > >"People's > > > > >>democratic community center office > > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those >pesky > > >msgs > > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > > >> > > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice?" > > > > >> > > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are having. > >You > > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. Practice > >and > > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is > >theory, > > > >to > > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is absent is > > >when > > > > >>you > > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports enthusiats refer > >to > > >as > > > > >>the > > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical experience. To > > >insist > > > >on > > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the > >essence > > >of > > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to do with > > > > >>revolution. > > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is > >nothing" > > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is > >reflected > > > >when > > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion of what > >work > > > >for > > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > > >> > > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't believe > >any > > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a >theoretical > > >act) > > > > >> > > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our >practice" > > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from Gore, >which > > >all > > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > > >>5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" >project > > > >after > > > > >>the November elections instead of remaining involved in electoral > > > > >>politics? > > > > >> > > > > >>I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't agree on > > > >answers > > > > >>to > > > > >>these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified >analysis. > > > > >> > > > > >>Keith > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > >>nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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If you read my e-mail, I feel Joe is divisive on the BOE question. I said Marxism is not necessarily divisive. No need to get so hot under the collar, Cliff. Personal name calling is an irrational way of determining the proper perspective to have on an issue. The signatures you got were great. No one wants to take that away from you. Other work was done that year besides the BOE question, though. Lastly ... hey, why can't I have a beer and not be criticized?
i do not know where you get the connection of my points to schundler? that is not what i wrote. further more, where in the peoples' democratic united front is there room for republicans? especially when you propose that the immediate task of our united front be organized to bury the republicans. i would gladly accept any allies in this task, but bright will be of no assistance. if he decided to work to bury schundler i don't see how he would affiliate with the republican party. let's just ask him. bright, do you support schundler? i'm layin 100 to 7 on yes - any takers? joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: Fwd: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 08:10:57 -0500 > >Joe, >If you think that the People's campaign registratiuon of any republicans in >New Brunswick had an effect on Shundler's victory. I think that you are >mistaken. >There are many reasons that Shundler won but your argument is mystical. I >have already fought to unite evryone in the People's Camapign and will >continue to do so, but it has nothing to do with registering as a >repoublican. I don't agree with purging anyone at the moment from the >People's Campaign. I think that the People's Campaign must put the defeat >of Shundler on the top of its agends immediately or be a useless >organization. If anyone doesn't like that, they can leave but I won't purge >them or advocate that they be purged. If Frank wants to work for >Shundler's defeat I will work with him, if he doesn't, I >won't. > My line is principles of unity and work towards a democartic program >as the basis of unity. No one is purged or expelled who agrees with the >principles and the program. To join or not to join is on them. > Purges are for a revolutionary organization not a mass based united >front. The line of purging from mass organizations is fallacious; it is the >same line that was upheld by the steering committeee of the People's >Camapign. Joe only disagrees with who got purged but the line is wrong in >form and content. >Keith > >joseph smith wrote: > > > no act of god can change these mistakes. > > you should make the proposal that myself and others be reinstated into >the peoples' campaign and that the campaign purge itself of all republicans >immediately. and that the campaign apply its practical tasks around the >surveys, that is the office space arguement. > > > > i am referring in my arguement with tom to the fact that the republican >party outside of new brunswick took notice of a couple of thousand votes >for registered republicans. do you not think this point is valid to bring >up? it is the first time it has been suggested that i know of. it is also >why bright was appointed to the housing authority. > > > > joe > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: lknesta@... > > >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:57:20 -0000 > > > > > >Joe, > > >I resigned my republican registration and I have also criticized the >actions and the political line. Yet, you constantly raise this point. >Perhaps you would like to issue me with some pennance. I could do two acts >of contritions and 15 Our Fathers if that would be satisfactory. > > >Please advise. > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > >>Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > >>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, > > > >>njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > >>Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > > >>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:04:06 -0400 > > > >> funny, all those "peoples' democratic" candidates are registered republicans. you play yourself, i just point it out. joe > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >From: "Thomas DeGloma" <tdegloma@...> > > > >> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > >> >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, > > > >>njfo@egroups.com > > > >> >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Shank Schundler! working class > > >base? > > > >> >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0000 > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > >> > > > >>To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... > > > >>To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >njfo-unsubscribe@... > > > >> > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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the people vs. imperialism >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:01:56 EDT > > > >If you read my e-mail, I feel Joe is divisive on the BOE question. I said >Marxism is not necessarily divisive. No need to get so hot under the >collar, >Cliff. Personal name calling is an irrational way of determining the proper >perspective to have on an issue. > >The signatures you got were great. No one wants to take that away from you. >Other work was done that year besides the BOE question, though. > >Lastly ... hey, why can't I have a beer and not be criticized? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
logic vs. illogic...
I want to address this from a different perspective than usual. The office space things failed, yes. I said it. I don't think the real problem is that it failed because it's generally a bad political line. If we had robust campaigns during the winter, we could have put some people into office renting, or whatever and that might have been critical. But we didn't have other things going on. So instead of calling the office space line the principal cause of us falling flat, why don't we ask why the NBPC didn't have more organizers ready to initiate work right after the campaign? That goes back to another question: What could we do better when we organize so that the people we work with begin to take initiative in political work themselves? So that people become organizers instead of task-doers, or activists. That is, how do people change their relationship to real democratic politics? How do we change these relations? That is, change our relations with our network so that our network begins to change its relations with its people. I think we're better off asking questions like this, instead of pinning longterm success and failure to singular decisions while years' long processes are really the causal factors behind our successs and failures with the NBPC last fall, for instance. I think that approach is more healthy for the movement, people shouldn't be interrogated , like BOL is so good at, for ideological mistakes they didn't give birth to. Historical materialism also demands that all these trends are born from their pasts and give birth to their futures. All those who call themselves Marxists should know that--they should begin to reexamine their (our) tendency to reduce ideological trends to single moments in time when their political rivals acted incorrectly. I think this is a step towards cultural revolution that will allow us to practice Unity and Struggle on a higher level. Paul --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:21:27 -0000 > > > >Paul, > >If you don't want to have the discussion, what can I tell you. I think that > >so far it has been productive and comraderly. The fight club refernce is > >lost on me. Unless you disgaree with my assesment of the tone and spirit of > >the discussion thus far, I would guess either your are running out of > >arguements, or you are being influenced by someone who fears struggle. > > > > As to the obstruction charge; I think that you are refusing to look > >at > >it dialectically. First, you say I should have orgainzed people to do the > >things that I suggested. Actually, Paul, that's exactly what I did. > >Revolutionaries in New Brunswick and their allies in other cities have put > >out two issues of Unity & Struggle as well as a pamphlet by Baraka and > >AmiriBaraka.com now exists. U&S is being put on a more stable foting > >reflective our our actual conditions and we are in the process of uniting > >with our allies in BNF and have already done so with Revolutionaries from > >Pa'lante. We have also begun to find ways to unite with revolutionaries in > >SWORD. While there are certainly shortcomings in these efforts. We think > >that we are further along then we have ever been. > > It is my line and my comrdaes in U&S that these are the most pressing > >tasks of revolutionaries; in two words agitation and propaganda. I say you > >refuse to look at it dialectically because you seem to think that you and > >whoever you are organizing with have cornered the market on revolutionary > >activity, that nothing else exists. > > Paul your masg. confuses me because you say struggle over political > >line in meetings is a waste of "precious time" that could be spent "putting > >people into action". Paul at best you seem to believe that "doing work" or > >practice is good in itself. I don't believe that. Before I get "put into > >action", I want to know what the action is and what purpose it serves. I > >don't do "work" for work's sake. And I would never encourage anyone else to > >do so. I "worked" in NJFO since 1994 and the political line has been > >essenatially the same as the one you are upholding. We started to break out > >of it when we began the campaign but it is back in full force. A bunch of > >college students and former students canvasing New Brunswick has never won > >any referedum nor will it. The only way to advance on the local level is to > >cease acting unilaterally. And to begin to struggle tirelessly for unity of > >ALL progressive, revolutionary democartic forces and unite with the working > >people and democartic middle classes of New Brunswick. Especially their > >existing organziations. Another "join us" effort or worse "don't join us" > >effort will fail. > > I think that fundraising for an office community democracy people's > >center space is an obstruction to revolutionary political work. Also I > >think > >that that line (office space blah blah) is dead in the water. And more > >that > >those who support it refuse to ackowledge that it is a failure, and an > >incorrect line in PRACTICE as well as in theory the less we will be able to > >move forward.. Mao explains that the internal contradictions of a thing or > >process are primary over the external. I raise that point because I am sure > >that in addition to the accusation of obstructionism, we are also being > >blamed for the failure of this political line. > > Paul, the accusatuion of "obstructionism" in the local movement is > >the > >catchall that has been used histroically to force splits and expulsions. It > >is leveled against anyone who disagrees and has the courage to stand by and > >struggle for their line. As you may or may not know Cliff was expelled from > >NJFO in 1996 because he oppossed the ultra-left formulation of "Maoism" as > >well as the Hungerford's line of Boycatting the presidentail election. He > >was a minority of one. Evry excuse was sought to get rid of his > >"obstructionism". I can remember one meeting were he asked repeatedly "what > >is Maoism". This enraged the froup because on the one hand we were > >"Maoists" > >and on the other we didn't know what it was; in that position how can you > >answer the question. There is an answer expulsion. Unfortunatelt Cliff > >provided the pret-text by assaulting women in the organiztion. But the fact > >remains that he was expelled because if his line (which in that case was > >correct) the reasons given for his expulsion were a disingenious pre-text. > > Sorry for the stroll down memory lane but these problmes have not > >been > >sorted out and thus they remain. Paul and anyone else, it is my line that > >the obstruction is the office space line and that it has failed and that > >there is a persitent refusal to acknowledge that fact. > >We need to unite revolutionaries and progressives, correct each other and > >put the defeat of Shundler in November on the top of our agenda. > > > >Keith > >PS. I am still enjopying the debate and think that it is productive. > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > > > > > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to > >think > > >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to the > >Fight > > >Club in all of us. > > > > > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the NJFO and > >NBPC > > >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made your > > >point > > >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without > > >encouraging > > >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical action. > > > > > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should always make > > >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if you had > > >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) into the > > >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate amount at > >the > > >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be > >spent > > >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in > >meetings. > > >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > > > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it is much > > > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are finding > >some > > > >points of agreement. > > > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I hope we can > > > >work > > > >on. > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint is that > > >the > > > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our > >relationship > > > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with > >greens > > > >and > > > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" That's > >been > > > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > > > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former students > > >and > > > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant > >support > > > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > > > >classes. > > > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class > >slogan > > > >in > > > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not forwarding > >the > > > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated ourselves from > > > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on election > > > >day. > > > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > > > >alienate > > > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our > >strongest > > > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the activist > > >core. > > > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a > >choice > > > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek > >student > > > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working > >class. > > > >The > > > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe (including Paul, > > > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the working > > >class > > > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for > >democracy > > > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a more > >long > > > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the movemnt is > > > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > > > > > >Paul continues: > > > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every party in > > >the > > > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no matter how > > > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > > > >national > > > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to > >suppress > > > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > > > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must have a > > >united > > > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the machine" we > > > >don't > > > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all have to > > >want > > > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational unity > >with > > > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we don't > > >have > > > >time. > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct line on > > > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious > >thinking." > > > > > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in general. Lokk > >at > > > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked harder > >spent > > > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think anyone > > >saved > > > >anything for November 8. > > > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We worked > >as > > > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't have a > >good > > > >political line. > > > > > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I think > >that > > > >is > > > >exactly the point. > > > > > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > > > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > > > >organize > > > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the implications > >for > > > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > > > >weapons? > > > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the working class > >to > > > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary ideology > >with > > > >the > > > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done adresses > > >the > > > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh Russian > > > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of > >various > > > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and Bolsheviks. It > > > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > > > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure have been > > >made > > > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me directly. Hurray > > >for > > > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > > > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to suggest > > > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > > > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the beginning. I > > >just > > > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where it was > > > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office space". I > >sd > > > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the local and > > > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program or at > > >leats > > > >begin too. > > > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the past six > > > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think that it > >is > > > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can > > >correct > > > >myself. > > > > > > > >Paul asked: > > > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right and the > > >Left > > > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > > > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by "obstruction" > > >that > > > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the office > > > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political line and > > > >that > > > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all means I am > > > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 > >large > > >by > > > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them and you > > > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned prcatice has > > > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two hundred > > > >dollar > > > >phone bill. > > > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction charge > > >clear. > > > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got on route > > >80 > > > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and i kept > > > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an obstructionist. > > > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against > >democracy. > > > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists are the > > > >supporters of the office/community center line who have obstructed our > > > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > > > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts criticially > > >and > > > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection upon the > > > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the > >republican > > > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this > >smiling > > > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek mayor > > >from > > > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money and > >avoid > > > >criticsm. > > > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > > > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community cnetr fund > > > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it than we > > >are > > > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > > > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@y..., njfo@y... > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we agreed upon > > >at > > > > >that > > > > > >>meeting. > > > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we don't > > >have > > > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term "working > > >class > > > > > >>base". > > > > > >>Paul writes: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the > >working > > > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther from > >the > > > > >truth. > > > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that we spoke > > >with > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > >control, > > > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you > >canvas > > > >and > > > > > >>if > > > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what Marxist-Leninists mean > >by > > > > >base. > > > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body of the > > > > >campaign. > > > > > >>To > > > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class leadership > >and > > > > > >>working > > > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on the facts > > >of > > > > >this > > > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > > > >campaign? > > > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you will see > > >that > > > >it > > > > > >>is > > > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former students. This > >is > > >a > > > > > >>simple > > > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is denying, this > > > > > >>sympathy > > > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are > > >looking > > > > >for > > > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for meetings. This > > >is > > > > >not > > > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as pointless > > >but > > > > > >>many > > > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople are very > > > >active > > > > >we > > > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we want > >them > > >to > > > > > >>join > > > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to > > >represent > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to organize > > >the > > > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin explained in > > >What > > > > >is > > > > > >>to > > > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class > >movemnt. > > > >The > > > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests is a > >long > > > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for > > >instance > > > > >or > > > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split between Malcom > > >and > > > > >the > > > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class struggling > > > >against > > > > > >>the > > > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, the NBPC > > >was > > > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > >revolutionaries > > > > > >>sold > > > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush forces." > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not dismissed and > > > > > >>certainly > > > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually conservative not > > > > > >>adventurist). > > > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an agreemnet as to > > > >some > > > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the campaign > > >did > > > > >not > > > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles in any > > > > >consistent > > > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > > > >whatsoever, > > > > > >>and > > > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign > > >itself. > > > > >Paul > > > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are > > >agreed > > > > >upon > > > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no discussion > >of > > > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > > > >somewhere. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic alliances > > > >which > > > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > > > >progressive > > > > > >>and > > > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to are with > > >the > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those > > >alliances > > > > >so > > > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and > >political > > > > >line. > > > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you making a > > >joke? > > > > > >>The > > > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency because we > >had > > > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that Nader's > > > > > >>candidacy > > > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in the Green > > > >party. > > > > > >>The > > > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in November was > > >Beat > > > > > >>Bush! > > > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term > > >sacrifices > > > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is > > >textbook > > > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your statment > >that > > > >we > > > > > >>are > > > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". Paul, > > >what > > > >is > > > > > >>the > > > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is it. To > > > >dismiss > > > > > >>the > > > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is > > >precesly > > > > > >>what > > > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for > > >reforms > > > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because that is > >how > > >we > > > > > >>make > > > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends > > >because > > > >it > > > > > >>is > > > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout socialism and > >it > > >is > > > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about revolution this > >is > > > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on > >Bernstein > > >if > > > > >you > > > > > >>are interested. > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > >certainly > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend > > >that > > > > >the > > > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the campaign was > >not > > > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > > > > >>investigation." > > > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and your > >glue > > > > > >>whaever > > > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > > > >opportunism > > > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If you are > > > >going > > > > > >>to > > > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > > > >arguemenst > > > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your > > >charge > > > > >that > > > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch but its > > >where > > > > >we > > > > > >>are I guess. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed investigation" The > > >facts > > > > >are > > > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until November 7. I > > > >don't > > > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked on it > >every > > > > > >>single > > > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I did not > > >miss > > > > >one > > > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with > > >business > > > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create most of > > >the > > > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and chaired many > >of > > > >the > > > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I am not > > > >patting > > > > > >>my > > > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed investigation". > >What > > > > >would > > > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? Should I > >sit > > > > >down > > > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to > >to > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > > > >because > > > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the revolutionary > > > > >practice > > > > > >>of > > > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is > >predicated > > >on > > > > >the > > > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > > > >> > > > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and Greens" > >did > > > >not > > > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National Program, No > > > >National > > > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united front which > > > > >included > > > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > > > >Presidential > > > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > > > >opportunist > > > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of the main > > > >reasons > > > > > >>we > > > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul claims U&S > >just > > > > >wants > > > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors from > >put > > > > >blood > > > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to claim it > > >as > > > > >our > > > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it or not, > > >my > > > > >name > > > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you are > >just > > > >name > > > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we lost the > > > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. You just > > > > > >>continually > > > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you canvased them. > >I > > >do > > > > >not > > > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > >trends > > >in > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible > >in > > > >this > > > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > > > >> > > > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a new > >plan > > >to > > > > > >>raise > > > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes your ideas? > > >Or > > > > >are > > > > > >>we > > > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > > > >"People's > > > > > >>democratic community center office > > > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those > >pesky > > > >msgs > > > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice?" > > > > > >> > > > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are having. > > >You > > > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. Practice > > >and > > > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is > > >theory, > > > > >to > > > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is absent is > > > >when > > > > > >>you > > > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports enthusiats refer > > >to > > > >as > > > > > >>the > > > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical experience. To > > > >insist > > > > >on > > > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the > > >essence > > > >of > > > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to do with > > > > > >>revolution. > > > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is > > >nothing" > > > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is > > >reflected > > > > >when > > > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion of what > > >work > > > > >for > > > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't believe > > >any > > > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a > >theoretical > > > >act) > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our > >practice" > > > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from Gore, > >which > > > >all > > > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > > > >>5. 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I understand that, but how do you say it to people who don't understand imperialism? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > the people vs. imperialism > > > > >From: FBRIGHT123@a... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:01:56 EDT > > > > > > > >If you read my e-mail, I feel Joe is divisive on the BOE question. I said > >Marxism is not necessarily divisive. No need to get so hot under the > >collar, > >Cliff. Personal name calling is an irrational way of determining the proper > >perspective to have on an issue. > > > >The signatures you got were great. No one wants to take that away from you. > >Other work was done that year besides the BOE question, though. > > > >Lastly ... hey, why can't I have a beer and not be criticized? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
paul, "So instead of calling the office space line the principal cause of us >falling flat, why don't we ask why the NBPC didn't have more >organizers ready to initiate work right after the campaign? That goes >back to another question: What could we do better when we organize so >that the people we work with begin to take initiative in political >work themselves? So that people become organizers instead of >task-doers, or activists." in order to get the office space, the NBPC expelled revolutionaries, allied with republicans and greens over NB youth, and forfeited the beat bush, nix nader national line. i don't think that you can blame the people who joined during the campaign for it's lack of activity now. if no clear position was put out to them of who are our allies, who are our enemies, along with the absence of a national position, who and what are these people supposed to be organizing for? >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:58:40 -0000 > >I want to address this from a different perspective than usual. The >office space things failed, yes. I said it. I don't think the real >problem is that it failed because it's generally a bad political line. > >If we had robust campaigns during the winter, we could have put some >people into office renting, or whatever and that might have been >critical. But we didn't have other things going on. > >So instead of calling the office space line the principal cause of us >falling flat, why don't we ask why the NBPC didn't have more >organizers ready to initiate work right after the campaign? That goes >back to another question: What could we do better when we organize so >that the people we work with begin to take initiative in political >work themselves? So that people become organizers instead of >task-doers, or activists. > >That is, how do people change their relationship to real democratic >politics? How do we change these relations? That is, change our >relations with our network so that our network begins to change its >relations with its people. > >I think we're better off asking questions like this, instead of >pinning longterm success and failure to singular decisions while >years' long processes are really the causal factors behind our >successs and failures with the NBPC last fall, for instance. > >I think that approach is more healthy for the movement, people >shouldn't be interrogated , like BOL is so good at, for ideological >mistakes they didn't give birth to. Historical materialism also >demands that all these trends are born from their pasts and give birth >to their futures. All those who call themselves Marxists should know >that--they should begin to reexamine their (our) tendency to reduce >ideological trends to single moments in time when their political >rivals acted incorrectly. > >I think this is a step towards cultural revolution that will allow us >to practice Unity and Struggle on a higher level. Paul > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:21:27 -0000 > > > > > >Paul, > > >If you don't want to have the discussion, what can I tell you. I >think that > > >so far it has been productive and comraderly. The fight club >refernce is > > >lost on me. Unless you disgaree with my assesment of the tone and >spirit of > > >the discussion thus far, I would guess either your are running out of > > >arguements, or you are being influenced by someone who fears struggle. > > > > > > As to the obstruction charge; I think that you are refusing >to look > > >at > > >it dialectically. First, you say I should have orgainzed people to >do the > > >things that I suggested. Actually, Paul, that's exactly what I did. > > >Revolutionaries in New Brunswick and their allies in other cities >have put > > >out two issues of Unity & Struggle as well as a pamphlet by Baraka and > > >AmiriBaraka.com now exists. U&S is being put on a more stable foting > > >reflective our our actual conditions and we are in the process of >uniting > > >with our allies in BNF and have already done so with >Revolutionaries from > > >Pa'lante. We have also begun to find ways to unite with >revolutionaries in > > >SWORD. While there are certainly shortcomings in these efforts. We >think > > >that we are further along then we have ever been. > > > It is my line and my comrdaes in U&S that these are the most >pressing > > >tasks of revolutionaries; in two words agitation and propaganda. I >say you > > >refuse to look at it dialectically because you seem to think that >you and > > >whoever you are organizing with have cornered the market on >revolutionary > > >activity, that nothing else exists. > > > Paul your masg. confuses me because you say struggle over >political > > >line in meetings is a waste of "precious time" that could be spent >"putting > > >people into action". Paul at best you seem to believe that "doing >work" or > > >practice is good in itself. I don't believe that. Before I get >"put into > > >action", I want to know what the action is and what purpose it >serves. I > > >don't do "work" for work's sake. And I would never encourage anyone >else to > > >do so. I "worked" in NJFO since 1994 and the political line has been > > >essenatially the same as the one you are upholding. We started to >break out > > >of it when we began the campaign but it is back in full force. A >bunch of > > >college students and former students canvasing New Brunswick has >never won > > >any referedum nor will it. The only way to advance on the local >level is to > > >cease acting unilaterally. And to begin to struggle tirelessly for >unity of > > >ALL progressive, revolutionary democartic forces and unite with the >working > > >people and democartic middle classes of New Brunswick. Especially their > > >existing organziations. Another "join us" effort or worse "don't >join us" > > >effort will fail. > > > I think that fundraising for an office community democracy >people's > > >center space is an obstruction to revolutionary political work. Also I > > >think > > >that that line (office space blah blah) is dead in the water. And >more > > >that > > >those who support it refuse to ackowledge that it is a failure, and an > > >incorrect line in PRACTICE as well as in theory the less we will be >able to > > >move forward.. Mao explains that the internal contradictions of a >thing or > > >process are primary over the external. I raise that point because I >am sure > > >that in addition to the accusation of obstructionism, we are also being > > >blamed for the failure of this political line. > > > Paul, the accusatuion of "obstructionism" in the local >movement is > > >the > > >catchall that has been used histroically to force splits and >expulsions. It > > >is leveled against anyone who disagrees and has the courage to >stand by and > > >struggle for their line. As you may or may not know Cliff was >expelled from > > >NJFO in 1996 because he oppossed the ultra-left formulation of >"Maoism" as > > >well as the Hungerford's line of Boycatting the presidentail >election. He > > >was a minority of one. Evry excuse was sought to get rid of his > > >"obstructionism". I can remember one meeting were he asked >repeatedly "what > > >is Maoism". This enraged the froup because on the one hand we were > > >"Maoists" > > >and on the other we didn't know what it was; in that position how >can you > > >answer the question. There is an answer expulsion. Unfortunatelt Cliff > > >provided the pret-text by assaulting women in the organiztion. But >the fact > > >remains that he was expelled because if his line (which in that >case was > > >correct) the reasons given for his expulsion were a disingenious >pre-text. > > > Sorry for the stroll down memory lane but these problmes have >not > > >been > > >sorted out and thus they remain. Paul and anyone else, it is my >line that > > >the obstruction is the office space line and that it has failed and >that > > >there is a persitent refusal to acknowledge that fact. > > >We need to unite revolutionaries and progressives, correct each >other and > > >put the defeat of Shundler in November on the top of our agenda. > > > > > >Keith > > >PS. I am still enjopying the debate and think that it is productive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > > > > > > > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to > > >think > > > >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to >the > > >Fight > > > >Club in all of us. > > > > > > > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the >NJFO and > > >NBPC > > > >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made >your > > > >point > > > >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without > > > >encouraging > > > >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical >action. > > > > > > > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should >always make > > > >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if >you had > > > >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) >into the > > > >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate >amount at > > >the > > > >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be > > >spent > > > >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in > > >meetings. > > > >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it >is much > > > > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are >finding > > >some > > > > >points of agreement. > > > > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I >hope we can > > > > >work > > > > >on. > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint >is that > > > >the > > > > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our > > >relationship > > > > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with > > >greens > > > > >and > > > > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" >That's > > >been > > > > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > > > > > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former >students > > > >and > > > > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant > > >support > > > > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > > > > >classes. > > > > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class > > >slogan > > > > >in > > > > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not >forwarding > > >the > > > > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated >ourselves from > > > > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on >election > > > > >day. > > > > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > > > > >alienate > > > > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our > > >strongest > > > > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the >activist > > > >core. > > > > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a > > >choice > > > > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek > > >student > > > > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working > > >class. > > > > >The > > > > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe >(including Paul, > > > > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the >working > > > >class > > > > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for > > >democracy > > > > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a >more > > >long > > > > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the >movemnt is > > > > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > > > > > > > >Paul continues: > > > > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every >party in > > > >the > > > > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no >matter how > > > > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > > > > >national > > > > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to > > >suppress > > > > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > > > > > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must >have a > > > >united > > > > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the >machine" we > > > > >don't > > > > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all >have to > > > >want > > > > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational >unity > > >with > > > > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we >don't > > > >have > > > > >time. > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct >line on > > > > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious > > >thinking." > > > > > > > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in >general. Lokk > > >at > > > > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked >harder > > >spent > > > > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think >anyone > > > >saved > > > > >anything for November 8. > > > > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We >worked > > >as > > > > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't >have a > > >good > > > > >political line. > > > > > > > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I >think > > >that > > > > >is > > > > >exactly the point. > > > > > > > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > > > > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > > > > >organize > > > > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the >implications > > >for > > > > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > > > > >weapons? > > > > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the >working class > > >to > > > > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary >ideology > > >with > > > > >the > > > > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done >adresses > > > >the > > > > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh >Russian > > > > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of > > >various > > > > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and >Bolsheviks. It > > > > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > > > > > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure >have been > > > >made > > > > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me >directly. Hurray > > > >for > > > > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > > > > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to >suggest > > > > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > > > > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the >beginning. I > > > >just > > > > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where >it was > > > > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office >space". I > > >sd > > > > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the >local and > > > > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program >or at > > > >leats > > > > >begin too. > > > > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the >past six > > > > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think >that it > > >is > > > > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can > > > >correct > > > > >myself. > > > > > > > > > >Paul asked: > > > > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right >and the > > > >Left > > > > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > > > > > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by >"obstruction" > > > >that > > > > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the >office > > > > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political >line and > > > > >that > > > > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all >means I am > > > > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 > > >large > > > >by > > > > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them >and you > > > > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned >prcatice has > > > > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two >hundred > > > > >dollar > > > > >phone bill. > > > > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction >charge > > > >clear. > > > > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got >on route > > > >80 > > > > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and >i kept > > > > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an >obstructionist. > > > > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against > > >democracy. > > > > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists >are the > > > > >supporters of the office/community center line who have >obstructed our > > > > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > > > > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts >criticially > > > >and > > > > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection >upon the > > > > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the > > >republican > > > > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this > > >smiling > > > > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek >mayor > > > >from > > > > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money >and > > >avoid > > > > >criticsm. > > > > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > > > > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community >cnetr fund > > > > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it >than we > > > >are > > > > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > > > > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@y..., njfo@y... > > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we >agreed upon > > > >at > > > > > >that > > > > > > >>meeting. > > > > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we >don't > > > >have > > > > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term >"working > > > >class > > > > > > >>base". > > > > > > >>Paul writes: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the > > >working > > > > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther >from > > >the > > > > > >truth. > > > > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that >we spoke > > > >with > > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with >community > > > > >control, > > > > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you > > >canvas > > > > >and > > > > > > >>if > > > > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what >Marxist-Leninists mean > > >by > > > > > >base. > > > > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body >of the > > > > > >campaign. > > > > > > >>To > > > > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class >leadership > > >and > > > > > > >>working > > > > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on >the facts > > > >of > > > > > >this > > > > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > > > > >campaign? > > > > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you >will see > > > >that > > > > >it > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former >students. This > > >is > > > >a > > > > > > >>simple > > > > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is >denying, this > > > > > > >>sympathy > > > > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are > > > >looking > > > > > >for > > > > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for >meetings. This > > > >is > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as >pointless > > > >but > > > > > > >>many > > > > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople >are very > > > > >active > > > > > >we > > > > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we >want > > >them > > > >to > > > > > > >>join > > > > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to > > > >represent > > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to >organize > > > >the > > > > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin >explained in > > > >What > > > > > >is > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class > > >movemnt. > > > > >The > > > > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests >is a > > >long > > > > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for > > > >instance > > > > > >or > > > > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split >between Malcom > > > >and > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class >struggling > > > > >against > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, >the NBPC > > > >was > > > > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > >revolutionaries > > > > > > >>sold > > > > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush >forces." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not >dismissed and > > > > > > >>certainly > > > > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually >conservative not > > > > > > >>adventurist). > > > > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an >agreemnet as to > > > > >some > > > > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the >campaign > > > >did > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles >in any > > > > > >consistent > > > > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > > > > >whatsoever, > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign > > > >itself. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are > > > >agreed > > > > > >upon > > > > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no >discussion > > >of > > > > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > > > > >somewhere. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic >alliances > > > > >which > > > > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > > > > >progressive > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to >are with > > > >the > > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those > > > >alliances > > > > > >so > > > > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and > > >political > > > > > >line. > > > > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you >making a > > > >joke? > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency >because we > > >had > > > > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that >Nader's > > > > > > >>candidacy > > > > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in >the Green > > > > >party. > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in >November was > > > >Beat > > > > > > >>Bush! > > > > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term > > > >sacrifices > > > > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is > > > >textbook > > > > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your >statment > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >>are > > > > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". >Paul, > > > >what > > > > >is > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is >it. To > > > > >dismiss > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is > > > >precesly > > > > > > >>what > > > > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for > > > >reforms > > > > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because >that is > > >how > > > >we > > > > > > >>make > > > > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends > > > >because > > > > >it > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout >socialism and > > >it > > > >is > > > > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about >revolution this > > >is > > > > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on > > >Bernstein > > > >if > > > > > >you > > > > > > >>are interested. > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > > >certainly > > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who >contend > > > >that > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the >campaign was > > >not > > > > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without >detailed > > > > > > >>investigation." > > > > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and >your > > >glue > > > > > > >>whaever > > > > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > > > > >opportunism > > > > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If >you are > > > > >going > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > > > > >arguemenst > > > > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your > > > >charge > > > > > >that > > > > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch >but its > > > >where > > > > > >we > > > > > > >>are I guess. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed >investigation" The > > > >facts > > > > > >are > > > > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until >November 7. I > > > > >don't > > > > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked >on it > > >every > > > > > > >>single > > > > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I >did not > > > >miss > > > > > >one > > > > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with > > > >business > > > > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create >most of > > > >the > > > > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and >chaired many > > >of > > > > >the > > > > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I >am not > > > > >patting > > > > > > >>my > > > > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed >investigation". > > >What > > > > > >would > > > > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? >Should I > > >sit > > > > > >down > > > > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even >listened to > > >to > > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but >opportunist > > > > > >because > > > > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the >revolutionary > > > > > >practice > > > > > > >>of > > > > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is > > >predicated > > > >on > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and >Greens" > > >did > > > > >not > > > > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National >Program, No > > > > >National > > > > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united >front which > > > > > >included > > > > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > > > > >Presidential > > > > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > > > > >opportunist > > > > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of >the main > > > > >reasons > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul >claims U&S > > >just > > > > > >wants > > > > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors >from > > >put > > > > > >blood > > > > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to >claim it > > > >as > > > > > >our > > > > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it >or not, > > > >my > > > > > >name > > > > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you >are > > >just > > > > >name > > > > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we >lost the > > > > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. >You just > > > > > > >>continually > > > > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you >canvased them. > > >I > > > >do > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > > >trends > > > >in > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem >credible > > >in > > > > >this > > > > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a >new > > >plan > > > >to > > > > > > >>raise > > > > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes >your ideas? > > > >Or > > > > > >are > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > > > > >"People's > > > > > > >>democratic community center office > > > > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those > > >pesky > > > > >msgs > > > > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our >practice?" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are >having. > > > >You > > > > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. >Practice > > > >and > > > > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is > > > >theory, > > > > > >to > > > > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is >absent is > > > > >when > > > > > > >>you > > > > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports >enthusiats refer > > > >to > > > > >as > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical >experience. To > > > > >insist > > > > > >on > > > > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the > > > >essence > > > > >of > > > > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to >do with > > > > > > >>revolution. > > > > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is > > > >nothing" > > > > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is > > > >reflected > > > > > >when > > > > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion >of what > > > >work > > > > > >for > > > > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't >believe > > > >any > > > > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a > > >theoretical > > > > >act) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our > > >practice" > > > > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from >Gore, > > >which > > > > >all > > > > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > > > > >>5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" > > >project > > > > > >after > > > > > > >>the November elections instead of remaining involved in >electoral > > > > > > >>politics? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't >agree on > > > > > >answers > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified > > >analysis. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Keith > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > >>nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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I just want to respond to a few of Keith's points. > > > > > > KJ: As to the obstruction charge; I think that you are refusing > to look > > >at > > >it dialectically. First, you say I should have orgainzed people to > do the > > >things that I suggested. Actually, Paul, that's exactly what I did. > > >Revolutionaries in New Brunswick and their allies in other cities > have put > > >out two issues of Unity & Struggle as well as a pamphlet by Baraka and > > >AmiriBaraka.com now exists. PM: Keith, I was talking about organizing people to the meeting who share your view. If you hadn't spent so much time spouting your views other people would have had time to voice theirs. You took my comment out of time context and applied it to the present. You repeatedly take singular instances, abstracted from their history, and call them "examples" of the trend which arose in your mind from other selfsame abstracted moments. This is dangerous , fight club methodology. I oppose it unconditionally. Paul KJ: It is my line and my comrdaes in U&S that these are the most > pressing > > >tasks of revolutionaries; in two words agitation and propaganda. I > say you > > >refuse to look at it dialectically because you seem to think that > you and > > >whoever you are organizing with have cornered the market on > revolutionary > > >activity, that nothing else exists. PM: When did I ever say that? Why WOULD I say that? I don't like the tone of your post. I think you're bringing in outside suppositions and misapplying them to my writings. It sounds like you've assessed where I'm at and want to apply that to what I write. I think your assessment and my writing are two different and discrete entities. When you misapply one to the other you're not listening and you're implying that I either don't know what I'm saying or that I have hidden agendas. I find that disingenuous and manipulative. And it's not how you spoke to me on the phone last night. So why don't you just tell me what you think is my political issue. PM: I obviously support agitation and propaganda, but how does the cultural revolution fit into that? How does creating organization fit into that? KJ: Paul your masg. confuses me because you say struggle over > political > > >line in meetings is a waste of "precious time" that could be spent > "putting > > >people into action". Paul at best you seem to believe that "doing > work" or > > >practice is good in itself. I don't believe that. PM: I never said that , either. If I did, quote me. I did say "As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the NJFO and > > >NBPC meetings following the election will agree that you not only made your point explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without encouraging productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical action." That means "you didn't shut up after you made your point abundantly clear so that other people could talk." I didnt say we couldn't have a discussion or struggle over what you said. that would have been difficult because you have literally tried to respond to almost every comment made, turning a meeting of five, fifteen or thirty into a back and forth with Keith. KJ: Before I get > "put into > > >action", I want to know what the action is and what purpose it > serves. I > > >don't do "work" for work's sake. PM: No one ever said that. You're getting carried away because you've got a static idea of how my trend operates. At this point, you should openly state what you think my trend is about instead of spending any more time misapplying your idea and misquoting and misattributing statements to me. The only way to advance on the local > level is to > > >cease acting unilaterally. And to begin to struggle tirelessly for > unity of > > >ALL progressive, revolutionary democartic forces and unite with the > working > > >people and democartic middle classes of New Brunswick. Especially their > > >existing organziations. Another "join us" effort or worse "don't > join us" > > >effort will fail. > > > I think that fundraising for an office community democracy > people's > > >center space is an obstruction to revolutionary political work. Also I > > >think > > >that that line (office space blah blah) is dead in the water. And > more > > >that > > >those who support it refuse to ackowledge that it is a failure, and an > > >incorrect line in PRACTICE as well as in theory the less we will be > able to > > >move forward.. Mao explains that the internal contradictions of a > thing or > > >process are primary over the external. I raise that point because I > am sure > > >that in addition to the accusation of obstructionism, we are also being > > >blamed for the failure of this political line. > > > Paul, the accusatuion of "obstructionism" in the local > movement is > > >the > > >catchall that has been used histroically to force splits and > expulsions. It > > >is leveled against anyone who disagrees and has the courage to > stand by and > > >struggle for their line. As you may or may not know Cliff was > expelled from > > >NJFO in 1996 because he oppossed the ultra-left formulation of > "Maoism" as > > >well as the Hungerford's line of Boycatting the presidentail > election. He > > >was a minority of one. Evry excuse was sought to get rid of his > > >"obstructionism". I can remember one meeting were he asked > repeatedly "what > > >is Maoism". This enraged the froup because on the one hand we were > > >"Maoists" > > >and on the other we didn't know what it was; in that position how > can you > > >answer the question. There is an answer expulsion. Unfortunatelt Cliff > > >provided the pret-text by assaulting women in the organiztion. But > the fact > > >remains that he was expelled because if his line (which in that > case was > > >correct) the reasons given for his expulsion were a disingenious > pre-text. > > > Sorry for the stroll down memory lane but these problmes have > not > > >been > > >sorted out and thus they remain. Paul and anyone else, it is my > line that > > >the obstruction is the office space line and that it has failed and > that > > >there is a persitent refusal to acknowledge that fact. > > >We need to unite revolutionaries and progressives, correct each > other and > > >put the defeat of Shundler in November on the top of our agenda. > > > > > >Keith > > >PS. I am still enjopying the debate and think that it is productive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > > > > > > > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to > > >think > > > >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to > the > > >Fight > > > >Club in all of us. > > > > > > > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the > NJFO and > > >NBPC > > > >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made > your > > > >point > > > >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without > > > >encouraging > > > >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical > action. > > > > > > > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should > always make > > > >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if > you had > > > >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) > into the > > > >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate > amount at > > >the > > > >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be > > >spent > > > >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in > > >meetings. > > > >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it > is much > > > > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are > finding > > >some > > > > >points of agreement. > > > > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I > hope we can > > > > >work > > > > >on. > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint > is that > > > >the > > > > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our > > >relationship > > > > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with > > >greens > > > > >and > > > > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" > That's > > >been > > > > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > > > > > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former > students > > > >and > > > > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant > > >support > > > > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > > > > >classes. > > > > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class > > >slogan > > > > >in > > > > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not > forwarding > > >the > > > > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated > ourselves from > > > > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on > election > > > > >day. > > > > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > > > > >alienate > > > > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our > > >strongest > > > > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the > activist > > > >core. > > > > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a > > >choice > > > > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek > > >student > > > > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working > > >class. > > > > >The > > > > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe > (including Paul, > > > > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the > working > > > >class > > > > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for > > >democracy > > > > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a > more > > >long > > > > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the > movemnt is > > > > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > > > > > > > >Paul continues: > > > > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every > party in > > > >the > > > > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no > matter how > > > > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > > > > >national > > > > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to > > >suppress > > > > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > > > > > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must > have a > > > >united > > > > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the > machine" we > > > > >don't > > > > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all > have to > > > >want > > > > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational > unity > > >with > > > > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we > don't > > > >have > > > > >time. > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct > line on > > > > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious > > >thinking." > > > > > > > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in > general. Lokk > > >at > > > > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked > harder > > >spent > > > > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think > anyone > > > >saved > > > > >anything for November 8. > > > > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We > worked > > >as > > > > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't > have a > > >good > > > > >political line. > > > > > > > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I > think > > >that > > > > >is > > > > >exactly the point. > > > > > > > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > > > > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > > > > >organize > > > > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the > implications > > >for > > > > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > > > > >weapons? > > > > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the > working class > > >to > > > > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary > ideology > > >with > > > > >the > > > > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done > adresses > > > >the > > > > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh > Russian > > > > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of > > >various > > > > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and > Bolsheviks. It > > > > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > > > > > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure > have been > > > >made > > > > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me > directly. Hurray > > > >for > > > > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > > > > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to > suggest > > > > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > > > > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the > beginning. I > > > >just > > > > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where > it was > > > > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office > space". I > > >sd > > > > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the > local and > > > > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program > or at > > > >leats > > > > >begin too. > > > > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the > past six > > > > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think > that it > > >is > > > > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can > > > >correct > > > > >myself. > > > > > > > > > >Paul asked: > > > > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right > and the > > > >Left > > > > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > > > > > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by > "obstruction" > > > >that > > > > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the > office > > > > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political > line and > > > > >that > > > > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all > means I am > > > > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 > > >large > > > >by > > > > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them > and you > > > > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned > prcatice has > > > > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two > hundred > > > > >dollar > > > > >phone bill. > > > > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction > charge > > > >clear. > > > > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got > on route > > > >80 > > > > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and > i kept > > > > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an > obstructionist. > > > > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against > > >democracy. > > > > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists > are the > > > > >supporters of the office/community center line who have > obstructed our > > > > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > > > > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts > criticially > > > >and > > > > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection > upon the > > > > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the > > >republican > > > > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this > > >smiling > > > > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek > mayor > > > >from > > > > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money > and > > >avoid > > > > >criticsm. > > > > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > > > > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community > cnetr fund > > > > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it > than we > > > >are > > > > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > > > > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@y..., njfo@y... > > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we > agreed upon > > > >at > > > > > >that > > > > > > >>meeting. > > > > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we > don't > > > >have > > > > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term > "working > > > >class > > > > > > >>base". > > > > > > >>Paul writes: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the > > >working > > > > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther > from > > >the > > > > > >truth. > > > > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that > we spoke > > > >with > > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with > community > > > > >control, > > > > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you > > >canvas > > > > >and > > > > > > >>if > > > > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what > Marxist-Leninists mean > > >by > > > > > >base. > > > > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body > of the > > > > > >campaign. > > > > > > >>To > > > > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class > leadership > > >and > > > > > > >>working > > > > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on > the facts > > > >of > > > > > >this > > > > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > > > > >campaign? > > > > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you > will see > > > >that > > > > >it > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former > students. This > > >is > > > >a > > > > > > >>simple > > > > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is > denying, this > > > > > > >>sympathy > > > > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are > > > >looking > > > > > >for > > > > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for > meetings. This > > > >is > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as > pointless > > > >but > > > > > > >>many > > > > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople > are very > > > > >active > > > > > >we > > > > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we > want > > >them > > > >to > > > > > > >>join > > > > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to > > > >represent > > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to > organize > > > >the > > > > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin > explained in > > > >What > > > > > >is > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class > > >movemnt. > > > > >The > > > > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests > is a > > >long > > > > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for > > > >instance > > > > > >or > > > > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split > between Malcom > > > >and > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class > struggling > > > > >against > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, > the NBPC > > > >was > > > > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > >revolutionaries > > > > > > >>sold > > > > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush > forces." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not > dismissed and > > > > > > >>certainly > > > > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually > conservative not > > > > > > >>adventurist). > > > > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an > agreemnet as to > > > > >some > > > > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the > campaign > > > >did > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles > in any > > > > > >consistent > > > > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > > > > >whatsoever, > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign > > > >itself. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are > > > >agreed > > > > > >upon > > > > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no > discussion > > >of > > > > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > > > > >somewhere. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic > alliances > > > > >which > > > > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > > > > >progressive > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to > are with > > > >the > > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those > > > >alliances > > > > > >so > > > > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and > > >political > > > > > >line. > > > > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you > making a > > > >joke? > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency > because we > > >had > > > > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that > Nader's > > > > > > >>candidacy > > > > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in > the Green > > > > >party. > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in > November was > > > >Beat > > > > > > >>Bush! > > > > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term > > > >sacrifices > > > > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is > > > >textbook > > > > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your > statment > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >>are > > > > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". > Paul, > > > >what > > > > >is > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is > it. To > > > > >dismiss > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is > > > >precesly > > > > > > >>what > > > > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for > > > >reforms > > > > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because > that is > > >how > > > >we > > > > > > >>make > > > > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends > > > >because > > > > >it > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout > socialism and > > >it > > > >is > > > > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about > revolution this > > >is > > > > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on > > >Bernstein > > > >if > > > > > >you > > > > > > >>are interested. > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > > >certainly > > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who > contend > > > >that > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the > campaign was > > >not > > > > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without > detailed > > > > > > >>investigation." > > > > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and > your > > >glue > > > > > > >>whaever > > > > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > > > > >opportunism > > > > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If > you are > > > > >going > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > > > > >arguemenst > > > > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your > > > >charge > > > > > >that > > > > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch > but its > > > >where > > > > > >we > > > > > > >>are I guess. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed > investigation" The > > > >facts > > > > > >are > > > > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until > November 7. I > > > > >don't > > > > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked > on it > > >every > > > > > > >>single > > > > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I > did not > > > >miss > > > > > >one > > > > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with > > > >business > > > > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create > most of > > > >the > > > > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and > chaired many > > >of > > > > >the > > > > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I > am not > > > > >patting > > > > > > >>my > > > > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed > investigation". > > >What > > > > > >would > > > > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? > Should I > > >sit > > > > > >down > > > > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even > listened to > > >to > > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but > opportunist > > > > > >because > > > > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > revolutionary > > > > > >practice > > > > > > >>of > > > > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is > > >predicated > > > >on > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and > Greens" > > >did > > > > >not > > > > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National > Program, No > > > > >National > > > > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united > front which > > > > > >included > > > > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > > > > >Presidential > > > > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > > > > >opportunist > > > > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of > the main > > > > >reasons > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul > claims U&S > > >just > > > > > >wants > > > > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors > from > > >put > > > > > >blood > > > > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to > claim it > > > >as > > > > > >our > > > > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it > or not, > > > >my > > > > > >name > > > > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you > are > > >just > > > > >name > > > > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we > lost the > > > > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. > You just > > > > > > >>continually > > > > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you > canvased them. > > >I > > > >do > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > > >trends > > > >in > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem > credible > > >in > > > > >this > > > > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a > new > > >plan > > > >to > > > > > > >>raise > > > > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes > your ideas? > > > >Or > > > > > >are > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > > > > >"People's > > > > > > >>democratic community center office > > > > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those > > >pesky > > > > >msgs > > > > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our > practice?" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are > having. > > > >You > > > > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. > Practice > > > >and > > > > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is > > > >theory, > > > > > >to > > > > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is > absent is > > > > >when > > > > > > >>you > > > > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports > enthusiats refer > > > >to > > > > >as > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical > experience. To > > > > >insist > > > > > >on > > > > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the > > > >essence > > > > >of > > > > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to > do with > > > > > > >>revolution. > > > > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is > > > >nothing" > > > > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is > > > >reflected > > > > > >when > > > > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion > of what > > > >work > > > > > >for > > > > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't > believe > > > >any > > > > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a > > >theoretical > > > > >act) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our > > >practice" > > > > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from > Gore, > > >which > > > > >all > > > > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > > > > >>5. 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that's an interesting assessment. Reread and find out I'm not blaming the organizers. Blame is this thing which the far Left uses to flatten three dimensional historically set moments into one-dimensional pledge paddles with "you're not good enough" inscribed in them. Do you need a national line to be concerned about local issues? To take this to a logical end, do you suggest that inactive working people in New Brusnwick only need college-educated organizers to give them a national line for them to spring into action? And check again, we won over most of the Greens to revolutionary politics- most didn't even campaign for Nader for one minute on election day...but I guess they're not revolutionary allies becuase they're not from the hood. Paul --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> wrote: > paul, > > "So instead of calling the office space line the principal cause of us > >falling flat, why don't we ask why the NBPC didn't have more > >organizers ready to initiate work right after the campaign? That goes > >back to another question: What could we do better when we organize so > >that the people we work with begin to take initiative in political > >work themselves? So that people become organizers instead of > >task-doers, or activists." > > in order to get the office space, the NBPC expelled revolutionaries, allied > with republicans and greens over NB youth, and forfeited the beat bush, nix > nader national line. i don't think that you can blame the people who joined > during the campaign for it's lack of activity now. if no clear position was > put out to them of who are our allies, who are our enemies, along with the > absence of a national position, who and what are these people supposed to be > organizing for? > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:58:40 -0000 > > > >I want to address this from a different perspective than usual. The > >office space things failed, yes. I said it. I don't think the real > >problem is that it failed because it's generally a bad political line. > > > >If we had robust campaigns during the winter, we could have put some > >people into office renting, or whatever and that might have been > >critical. But we didn't have other things going on. > > > >So instead of calling the office space line the principal cause of us > >falling flat, why don't we ask why the NBPC didn't have more > >organizers ready to initiate work right after the campaign? That goes > >back to another question: What could we do better when we organize so > >that the people we work with begin to take initiative in political > >work themselves? So that people become organizers instead of > >task-doers, or activists. > > > >That is, how do people change their relationship to real democratic > >politics? How do we change these relations? That is, change our > >relations with our network so that our network begins to change its > >relations with its people. > > > >I think we're better off asking questions like this, instead of > >pinning longterm success and failure to singular decisions while > >years' long processes are really the causal factors behind our > >successs and failures with the NBPC last fall, for instance. > > > >I think that approach is more healthy for the movement, people > >shouldn't be interrogated , like BOL is so good at, for ideological > >mistakes they didn't give birth to. Historical materialism also > >demands that all these trends are born from their pasts and give birth > >to their futures. All those who call themselves Marxists should know > >that--they should begin to reexamine their (our) tendency to reduce > >ideological trends to single moments in time when their political > >rivals acted incorrectly. > > > >I think this is a step towards cultural revolution that will allow us > >to practice Unity and Struggle on a higher level. Paul > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:21:27 -0000 > > > > > > > >Paul, > > > >If you don't want to have the discussion, what can I tell you. I > >think that > > > >so far it has been productive and comraderly. The fight club > >refernce is > > > >lost on me. Unless you disgaree with my assesment of the tone and > >spirit of > > > >the discussion thus far, I would guess either your are running out of > > > >arguements, or you are being influenced by someone who fears struggle. > > > > > > > > As to the obstruction charge; I think that you are refusing > >to look > > > >at > > > >it dialectically. First, you say I should have orgainzed people to > >do the > > > >things that I suggested. Actually, Paul, that's exactly what I did. > > > >Revolutionaries in New Brunswick and their allies in other cities > >have put > > > >out two issues of Unity & Struggle as well as a pamphlet by Baraka and > > > >AmiriBaraka.com now exists. U&S is being put on a more stable foting > > > >reflective our our actual conditions and we are in the process of > >uniting > > > >with our allies in BNF and have already done so with > >Revolutionaries from > > > >Pa'lante. We have also begun to find ways to unite with > >revolutionaries in > > > >SWORD. While there are certainly shortcomings in these efforts. We > >think > > > >that we are further along then we have ever been. > > > > It is my line and my comrdaes in U&S that these are the most > >pressing > > > >tasks of revolutionaries; in two words agitation and propaganda. I > >say you > > > >refuse to look at it dialectically because you seem to think that > >you and > > > >whoever you are organizing with have cornered the market on > >revolutionary > > > >activity, that nothing else exists. > > > > Paul your masg. confuses me because you say struggle over > >political > > > >line in meetings is a waste of "precious time" that could be spent > >"putting > > > >people into action". Paul at best you seem to believe that "doing > >work" or > > > >practice is good in itself. I don't believe that. Before I get > >"put into > > > >action", I want to know what the action is and what purpose it > >serves. I > > > >don't do "work" for work's sake. And I would never encourage anyone > >else to > > > >do so. I "worked" in NJFO since 1994 and the political line has been > > > >essenatially the same as the one you are upholding. We started to > >break out > > > >of it when we began the campaign but it is back in full force. A > >bunch of > > > >college students and former students canvasing New Brunswick has > >never won > > > >any referedum nor will it. The only way to advance on the local > >level is to > > > >cease acting unilaterally. And to begin to struggle tirelessly for > >unity of > > > >ALL progressive, revolutionary democartic forces and unite with the > >working > > > >people and democartic middle classes of New Brunswick. Especially their > > > >existing organziations. Another "join us" effort or worse "don't > >join us" > > > >effort will fail. > > > > I think that fundraising for an office community democracy > >people's > > > >center space is an obstruction to revolutionary political work. Also I > > > >think > > > >that that line (office space blah blah) is dead in the water. And > >more > > > >that > > > >those who support it refuse to ackowledge that it is a failure, and an > > > >incorrect line in PRACTICE as well as in theory the less we will be > >able to > > > >move forward.. Mao explains that the internal contradictions of a > >thing or > > > >process are primary over the external. I raise that point because I > >am sure > > > >that in addition to the accusation of obstructionism, we are also being > > > >blamed for the failure of this political line. > > > > Paul, the accusatuion of "obstructionism" in the local > >movement is > > > >the > > > >catchall that has been used histroically to force splits and > >expulsions. It > > > >is leveled against anyone who disagrees and has the courage to > >stand by and > > > >struggle for their line. As you may or may not know Cliff was > >expelled from > > > >NJFO in 1996 because he oppossed the ultra-left formulation of > >"Maoism" as > > > >well as the Hungerford's line of Boycatting the presidentail > >election. He > > > >was a minority of one. Evry excuse was sought to get rid of his > > > >"obstructionism". I can remember one meeting were he asked > >repeatedly "what > > > >is Maoism". This enraged the froup because on the one hand we were > > > >"Maoists" > > > >and on the other we didn't know what it was; in that position how > >can you > > > >answer the question. There is an answer expulsion. Unfortunatelt Cliff > > > >provided the pret-text by assaulting women in the organiztion. But > >the fact > > > >remains that he was expelled because if his line (which in that > >case was > > > >correct) the reasons given for his expulsion were a disingenious > >pre-text. > > > > Sorry for the stroll down memory lane but these problmes have > >not > > > >been > > > >sorted out and thus they remain. Paul and anyone else, it is my > >line that > > > >the obstruction is the office space line and that it has failed and > >that > > > >there is a persitent refusal to acknowledge that fact. > > > >We need to unite revolutionaries and progressives, correct each > >other and > > > >put the defeat of Shundler in November on the top of our agenda. > > > > > > > >Keith > > > >PS. I am still enjopying the debate and think that it is productive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to > > > >think > > > > >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to > >the > > > >Fight > > > > >Club in all of us. > > > > > > > > > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the > >NJFO and > > > >NBPC > > > > >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made > >your > > > > >point > > > > >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without > > > > >encouraging > > > > >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical > >action. > > > > > > > > > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should > >always make > > > > >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if > >you had > > > > >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) > >into the > > > > >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate > >amount at > > > >the > > > > >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be > > > >spent > > > > >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in > > > >meetings. > > > > >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it > >is much > > > > > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are > >finding > > > >some > > > > > >points of agreement. > > > > > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I > >hope we can > > > > > >work > > > > > >on. > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint > >is that > > > > >the > > > > > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our > > > >relationship > > > > > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with > > > >greens > > > > > >and > > > > > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" > >That's > > > >been > > > > > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > > > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > > > > > > > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former > >students > > > > >and > > > > > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant > > > >support > > > > > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > > > > > >classes. > > > > > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class > > > >slogan > > > > > >in > > > > > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not > >forwarding > > > >the > > > > > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated > >ourselves from > > > > > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on > >election > > > > > >day. > > > > > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > > > > > >alienate > > > > > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our > > > >strongest > > > > > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the > >activist > > > > >core. > > > > > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a > > > >choice > > > > > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek > > > >student > > > > > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working > > > >class. > > > > > >The > > > > > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe > >(including Paul, > > > > > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the > >working > > > > >class > > > > > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for > > > >democracy > > > > > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a > >more > > > >long > > > > > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the > >movemnt is > > > > > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul continues: > > > > > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every > >party in > > > > >the > > > > > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no > >matter how > > > > > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > > > > > >national > > > > > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to > > > >suppress > > > > > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must > >have a > > > > >united > > > > > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the > >machine" we > > > > > >don't > > > > > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all > >have to > > > > >want > > > > > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational > >unity > > > >with > > > > > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we > >don't > > > > >have > > > > > >time. > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct > >line on > > > > > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious > > > >thinking." > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in > >general. Lokk > > > >at > > > > > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked > >harder > > > >spent > > > > > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think > >anyone > > > > >saved > > > > > >anything for November 8. > > > > > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We > >worked > > > >as > > > > > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't > >have a > > > >good > > > > > >political line. > > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I > >think > > > >that > > > > > >is > > > > > >exactly the point. > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > > > > > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > > > > > >organize > > > > > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the > >implications > > > >for > > > > > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > > > > > >weapons? > > > > > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the > >working class > > > >to > > > > > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary > >ideology > > > >with > > > > > >the > > > > > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done > >adresses > > > > >the > > > > > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh > >Russian > > > > > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of > > > >various > > > > > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and > >Bolsheviks. It > > > > > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure > >have been > > > > >made > > > > > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me > >directly. Hurray > > > > >for > > > > > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > > > > > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to > >suggest > > > > > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > > > > > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the > >beginning. I > > > > >just > > > > > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where > >it was > > > > > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office > >space". I > > > >sd > > > > > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the > >local and > > > > > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program > >or at > > > > >leats > > > > > >begin too. > > > > > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the > >past six > > > > > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think > >that it > > > >is > > > > > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can > > > > >correct > > > > > >myself. > > > > > > > > > > > >Paul asked: > > > > > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right > >and the > > > > >Left > > > > > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > > > > > > > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by > >"obstruction" > > > > >that > > > > > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the > >office > > > > > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political > >line and > > > > > >that > > > > > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all > >means I am > > > > > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 > > > >large > > > > >by > > > > > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them > >and you > > > > > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned > >prcatice has > > > > > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two > >hundred > > > > > >dollar > > > > > >phone bill. > > > > > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction > >charge > > > > >clear. > > > > > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got > >on route > > > > >80 > > > > > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and > >i kept > > > > > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an > >obstructionist. > > > > > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against > > > >democracy. > > > > > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists > >are the > > > > > >supporters of the office/community center line who have > >obstructed our > > > > > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > > > > > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts > >criticially > > > > >and > > > > > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection > >upon the > > > > > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the > > > >republican > > > > > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this > > > >smiling > > > > > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek > >mayor > > > > >from > > > > > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money > >and > > > >avoid > > > > > >criticsm. > > > > > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > > > > > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community > >cnetr fund > > > > > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it > >than we > > > > >are > > > > > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > > > > > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@y..., njfo@y... > > > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > > > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we > >agreed upon > > > > >at > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >>meeting. > > > > > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we > >don't > > > > >have > > > > > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term > >"working > > > > >class > > > > > > > >>base". > > > > > > > >>Paul writes: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the > > > >working > > > > > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther > >from > > > >the > > > > > > >truth. > > > > > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that > >we spoke > > > > >with > > > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with > >community > > > > > >control, > > > > > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you > > > >canvas > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >>if > > > > > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what > >Marxist-Leninists mean > > > >by > > > > > > >base. > > > > > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body > >of the > > > > > > >campaign. > > > > > > > >>To > > > > > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class > >leadership > > > >and > > > > > > > >>working > > > > > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on > >the facts > > > > >of > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > > > > > >campaign? > > > > > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you > >will see > > > > >that > > > > > >it > > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former > >students. This > > > >is > > > > >a > > > > > > > >>simple > > > > > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > > > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is > >denying, this > > > > > > > >>sympathy > > > > > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are > > > > >looking > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for > >meetings. This > > > > >is > > > > > > >not > > > > > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as > >pointless > > > > >but > > > > > > > >>many > > > > > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > > > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople > >are very > > > > > >active > > > > > > >we > > > > > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we > >want > > > >them > > > > >to > > > > > > > >>join > > > > > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > > > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > > > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to > > > > >represent > > > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > > > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to > >organize > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin > >explained in > > > > >What > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class > > > >movemnt. > > > > > >The > > > > > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests > >is a > > > >long > > > > > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for > > > > >instance > > > > > > >or > > > > > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split > >between Malcom > > > > >and > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class > >struggling > > > > > >against > > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, > >the NBPC > > > > >was > > > > > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > > >revolutionaries > > > > > > > >>sold > > > > > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush > >forces." > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not > >dismissed and > > > > > > > >>certainly > > > > > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually > >conservative not > > > > > > > >>adventurist). > > > > > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an > >agreemnet as to > > > > > >some > > > > > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the > >campaign > > > > >did > > > > > > >not > > > > > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles > >in any > > > > > > >consistent > > > > > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > > > > > >whatsoever, > > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign > > > > >itself. > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are > > > > >agreed > > > > > > >upon > > > > > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no > >discussion > > > >of > > > > > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > > > > > >somewhere. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > > > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic > >alliances > > > > > >which > > > > > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > > > > > >progressive > > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to > >are with > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those > > > > >alliances > > > > > > >so > > > > > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and > > > >political > > > > > > >line. > > > > > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you > >making a > > > > >joke? > > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > > > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency > >because we > > > >had > > > > > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that > >Nader's > > > > > > > >>candidacy > > > > > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in > >the Green > > > > > >party. > > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in > >November was > > > > >Beat > > > > > > > >>Bush! > > > > > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > > > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term > > > > >sacrifices > > > > > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is > > > > >textbook > > > > > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your > >statment > > > >that > > > > > >we > > > > > > > >>are > > > > > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". > >Paul, > > > > >what > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is > >it. To > > > > > >dismiss > > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is > > > > >precesly > > > > > > > >>what > > > > > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > > > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for > > > > >reforms > > > > > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because > >that is > > > >how > > > > >we > > > > > > > >>make > > > > > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends > > > > >because > > > > > >it > > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout > >socialism and > > > >it > > > > >is > > > > > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about > >revolution this > > > >is > > > > > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on > > > >Bernstein > > > > >if > > > > > > >you > > > > > > > >>are interested. > > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > > > >certainly > > > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who > >contend > > > > >that > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the > >campaign was > > > >not > > > > > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without > >detailed > > > > > > > >>investigation." > > > > > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and > >your > > > >glue > > > > > > > >>whaever > > > > > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > > > > > >opportunism > > > > > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If > >you are > > > > > >going > > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > > > > > >arguemenst > > > > > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your > > > > >charge > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch > >but its > > > > >where > > > > > > >we > > > > > > > >>are I guess. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed > >investigation" The > > > > >facts > > > > > > >are > > > > > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until > >November 7. I > > > > > >don't > > > > > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked > >on it > > > >every > > > > > > > >>single > > > > > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I > >did not > > > > >miss > > > > > > >one > > > > > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with > > > > >business > > > > > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create > >most of > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and > >chaired many > > > >of > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I > >am not > > > > > >patting > > > > > > > >>my > > > > > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed > >investigation". > > > >What > > > > > > >would > > > > > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? > >Should I > > > >sit > > > > > > >down > > > > > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even > >listened to > > > >to > > > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but > >opportunist > > > > > > >because > > > > > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > >revolutionary > > > > > > >practice > > > > > > > >>of > > > > > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is > > > >predicated > > > > >on > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > > > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and > >Greens" > > > >did > > > > > >not > > > > > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National > >Program, No > > > > > >National > > > > > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united > >front which > > > > > > >included > > > > > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > > > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > > > > > >Presidential > > > > > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > > > > > >opportunist > > > > > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of > >the main > > > > > >reasons > > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul > >claims U&S > > > >just > > > > > > >wants > > > > > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors > >from > > > >put > > > > > > >blood > > > > > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to > >claim it > > > > >as > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it > >or not, > > > > >my > > > > > > >name > > > > > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you > >are > > > >just > > > > > >name > > > > > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > > > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we > >lost the > > > > > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. > >You just > > > > > > > >>continually > > > > > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you > >canvased them. > > > >I > > > > >do > > > > > > >not > > > > > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > > > >trends > > > > >in > > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem > >credible > > > >in > > > > > >this > > > > > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a > >new > > > >plan > > > > >to > > > > > > > >>raise > > > > > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes > >your ideas? > > > > >Or > > > > > > >are > > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > > > > > >"People's > > > > > > > >>democratic community center office > > > > > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those > > > >pesky > > > > > >msgs > > > > > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our > >practice?" > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are > >having. > > > > >You > > > > > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. > >Practice > > > > >and > > > > > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is > > > > >theory, > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is > >absent is > > > > > >when > > > > > > > >>you > > > > > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports > >enthusiats refer > > > > >to > > > > > >as > > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical > >experience. To > > > > > >insist > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the > > > > >essence > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to > >do with > > > > > > > >>revolution. > > > > > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > > > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > > > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is > > > > >nothing" > > > > > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is > > > > >reflected > > > > > > >when > > > > > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion > >of what > > > > >work > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't > >believe > > > > >any > > > > > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a > > > >theoretical > > > > > >act) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our > > > >practice" > > > > > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > > > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > > > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > > > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from > >Gore, > > > >which > > > > > >all > > > > > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > > > > > >>5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" > > > >project > > > > > > >after > > > > > > > >>the November elections instead of remaining involved in > >electoral > > > > > > > >>politics? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't > >agree on > > > > > > >answers > > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > > >>these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified > > > >analysis. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Keith > > > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > >>nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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NAZI THREAT IN HIGHLAND PARK
A racist gang of violent white supremacists has moved into
Highland Park and physically threatened and assaulted several Afro-
American residents. Neo-nazi thugs have allegedly operated from the
home of a borough public official who reportedly sports a "WHITE
POWER" tattoo and brags about illegally firing all black public
employees from his department!
A STRING OF VIOLENT RACIST ATTACKS
The much-delayed "investigation" by local authorities into the
violent incidents that took place on South Tenth Street in April was
a whitewash. Police Chief Ronald Haskins's report of May 9, 2001 only
resulted in a couple of petty misdemeanor charges and denied any
knowledge of a neo-nazi gang in our town.
Unconvinced by this official report, we, concerned residents,
conducted over a dozen interviews with victims, witnesses, borough
employees and public officials. Here are our findings:
Several residents of South Tenth Street report that beginning in
March of this year, a gang of neo-nazi skinheads started "hanging
out" at 233 South Tenth Street, home of Lloyd Young Sr.,
Superintendent of Highland Park's Department of Public Works.
These white men in their late teens and early twenties numbered
about half a dozen, wore black slacks, shirts and boots, shaved their
heads and sported clothing and tattoos with neo-nazi symbols and
racist slogans.
In at least four separate incidents in the past months,
perpetrators fitting this description assaulted and harassed Afro-
American residents.
MARCH: A 36-year old Afro-American woman told at a recent meeting of
Bridge Builders that she was physically assaulted in late March on
Benner St. by a white skinhead dressed in black after she came out of
Adams Bar.
APRIL: On April 10, neighbors witnessed two white youths with shaved
heads come out of 233 South Tenth Street and chase black youths while
screaming death threats. One of the skinheads allegedly wielded a
crow bar, the other a baseball bat. Police claim a stone was thrown
at the house prior to this incident.
APRIL: On April 11, several young black children allege that they
were chased by threatening skinheads in black outfits.
JUNE: Soon after Memorial Day, a young Afro-American woman reported
that while she walked down Woodbridge Ave. she was surrounded and
physically intimidated by a gang of white skinheads dressed in black
who muttered threats at her.
A WHITE SUPREMACIST BOROUGH OFFICIAL?
Neighbors contend that members of a neo-nazi skinhead gang have
lived at the house of Lloyd Young Sr., including his son, Lloyd Young
Jr., and his nephew, Walter Pawlikowski. Both men were charged on May
9 with disorderly conduct along with Herbert T. Straub for the April
10 altercation.
Mr. Young Sr. has been the chief official at the Department of
Public Works for over 20 years. Co-workers and neighbors describe him
as a virulently racist man who sports a "WHITE POWER" tattoo on his
left arm. A former department employee also claims that several
current employees also sport white supremacist tattoos.
According to two former borough employees, Mr. Young has
repeatedly bragged about getting rid of all black workers in his
department. The borough administrator, Richard Kunze, confirmed that
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE BLACK, LATINO OR ASIAN EMPLOYEE LEFT IN
HIGHLAND PARK'S DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
A RACIST COVER-UP?
Lloyd Young Sr. -whose home, neighbors claim, has housed neo-
nazi skinheads- is on friendly terms with several local police
officers. Two neighbors report that following a loud argument five
years ago, they heard several shots coming from inside the house at
233 South Tenth Street but that the police made no arrest.
Former borough employees also assert that Mr. Young was very
active in the mayoral campaigns of former mayor and current Middlesex
County Freeholder James Polos.
Neither the police nor the town's political leaders have shown
the willingness to deal with this nazi threat openly. Worse, several
neighboring Afro-American teenagers and their parents allege that
Highland Park police told them not to walk on South Tenth Street to
avoid trouble. THIS IS "JIM CROW" SEGREGATION IN OUR TOWN.
We cannot allow any resident to be told where they can or cannot
go based on the color of their skin just because violent nazis live
in the neighborhood.
Victims, witnesses, neighbors and co-workers all spoke on the
condition that their names not be used and said they have not pressed
charges because they are scared of these neo-nazi thugs and do not
trust that the police will protect them from retaliation.
HIGHLAND PARK MUST SHOW
ZERO TOLERANCE FOR
WHITE SUPREMACIST CRIMINALS
We are not faced with a couple of isolated bigots but with an
organized group of violent neo-nazi skinheads that may have a
foothold in our own local government! In Germany, Hitler's Nazis also
began with small groups of street thugs aided and abetted by corrupt
bureaucrats and police officers. The Nazi Party then rose to power
because the political leadership of Europe failed to act to stop it.
We can never make that mistake again.
We demand an investigation into all alleged neo-nazi criminal
activity in the borough and into all alleged civil rights violations
in Highland Park's Department of Public Works.
We demand that any and all civil rights violators be prosecuted
to the full extent of the law, as well as any and all public
officials who failed to report civil rights violations known to them.
We demand the establishment of an elected civilian police
control board to ensure that our police department protects and
serves all people and prosecutes all civil rights violators, even if
they hold positions of power in the government.
SPEAK OUT AGAINST NEO-NAZI VIOLENCE!
JOIN US AT THE NEXT BOROUGH COUNCIL MEETING
TUESDAY JULY 10, 8PM
If you have any information about neo-nazi activity or civil rights
violations in Highland Park, please call us at (732) 729-0873 or send
us an email at hp_peoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
HIGHLAND PARK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN - (732) 729-0873
Reach us on the internet at hp_peoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
more specific bush2 lover, people hater! bury schundler! vote greasy- joe >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:22:03 EDT > > >logic vs. illogic... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
when and where is the peoples' campaign meeting? rip down, burn, destroy all confederate flags!! joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 15:33:40 -0500 > >Joe, >I misread your e-mail. You didn't make any connection to Shundler. > >But like you said the odds of Frank oppossing Shundler are 100 to 1. So he >won't join; >so we don't need to exclude him. That's my point. >Keith > >joseph smith wrote: > > > i do not know where you get the connection of my points to schundler? >that > > is not what i wrote. > > > > further more, where in the peoples' democratic united front is there >room > > for republicans? especially when you propose that the immediate task of >our > > united front be organized to bury the republicans. > > > > i would gladly accept any allies in this task, but bright will be of no > > assistance. if he decided to work to bury schundler i don't see how he >would > > affiliate with the republican party. > > > > let's just ask him. > > > > bright, do you support schundler? i'm layin 100 to 7 on yes - any >takers? > > > > joe > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 08:10:57 -0500 > > > > > >Joe, > > >If you think that the People's campaign registratiuon of any >republicans in > > >New Brunswick had an effect on Shundler's victory. I think that you >are > > >mistaken. > > >There are many reasons that Shundler won but your argument is mystical. >I > > >have already fought to unite evryone in the People's Camapign and will > > >continue to do so, but it has nothing to do with registering as a > > >repoublican. I don't agree with purging anyone at the moment from the > > >People's Campaign. I think that the People's Campaign must put the >defeat > > >of Shundler on the top of its agends immediately or be a useless > > >organization. If anyone doesn't like that, they can leave but I won't >purge > > >them or advocate that they be purged. If Frank wants to work for > > >Shundler's defeat I will work with him, if he doesn't, I > > >won't. > > > My line is principles of unity and work towards a democartic >program > > >as the basis of unity. No one is purged or expelled who agrees with the > > >principles and the program. To join or not to join is on them. > > > Purges are for a revolutionary organization not a mass based >united > > >front. The line of purging from mass organizations is fallacious; it is >the > > >same line that was upheld by the steering committeee of the People's > > >Camapign. Joe only disagrees with who got purged but the line is wrong >in > > >form and content. > > >Keith > > > > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > > > > no act of god can change these mistakes. > > > > you should make the proposal that myself and others be reinstated >into > > >the peoples' campaign and that the campaign purge itself of all >republicans > > >immediately. and that the campaign apply its practical tasks around the > > >surveys, that is the office space arguement. > > > > > > > > i am referring in my arguement with tom to the fact that the >republican > > >party outside of new brunswick took notice of a couple of thousand >votes > > >for registered republicans. do you not think this point is valid to >bring > > >up? it is the first time it has been suggested that i know of. it is >also > > >why bright was appointed to the housing authority. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > > > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: lknesta@... > > > > >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:57:20 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > >I resigned my republican registration and I have also criticized >the > > >actions and the political line. Yet, you constantly raise this point. > > >Perhaps you would like to issue me with some pennance. I could do two >acts > > >of contritions and 15 Our Fathers if that would be satisfactory. > > > > >Please advise. > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > > > >>Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, > > > > > >>njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >>Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > > > > >>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:04:06 -0400 > > > > > >> > > funny, all those "peoples' democratic" candidates are registered > > republicans. > > > > you play yourself, i just point it out. > > > > joe > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >From: "Thomas DeGloma" <tdegloma@...> > > > > > >> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >> >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, > > > > > >>njfo@egroups.com > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Shank Schundler! working >class > > > > >base? > > > > > >> >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >>To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... > > > > > >>To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > >njfo-unsubscribe@... > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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Joe, You fail to propose a cogent response and, instead, sloganeered. I believe the onus is upon you. Best
yr slander of joe as" divisive on the BOE question" flies in the face of the reality of the thousands of signatures of support he has produced for the campaign. the voters he has registered, the people he has educated & built unity w/. beyond that, it contradicts the democratic will of the community as expressed in their confidence vote for him at the convention, over yr panicked attack. to say, this demonstrates yr own divisiveness to the people. except that joe, like marxism--which you misrepresent, is divisive as "dividing" the people from their imperialist enemies. there wd have been no other work on the boe campaign were not for the signatures joe organized which raised the referendum. dont get it twisted, the "name-calling" is all political. shank schundler. vote mcgeasy. peoples' war on the right. cliff >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:01:56 EDT > > > >If you read my e-mail, I feel Joe is divisive on the BOE question. I said >Marxism is not necessarily divisive. No need to get so hot under the >collar, >Cliff. Personal name calling is an irrational way of determining the proper >perspective to have on an issue. > >The signatures you got were great. No one wants to take that away from you. >Other work was done that year besides the BOE question, though. > >Lastly ... hey, why can't I have a beer and not be criticized? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
peoples' logic vs. imperialist "logic" cs >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 00:22:03 EDT > > >logic vs. illogic... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
incorrect & backward political lines dont "give birth" to new ones if they are defeated. "cultural revolution" is a call for peoples' education, expression & struggle, not an excuse to promote incorrect, liberal arguments as "revolutionary" or "marxist". cliff >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 16:58:40 -0000 > >I want to address this from a different perspective than usual. The >office space things failed, yes. I said it. I don't think the real >problem is that it failed because it's generally a bad political line. > >If we had robust campaigns during the winter, we could have put some >people into office renting, or whatever and that might have been >critical. But we didn't have other things going on. > >So instead of calling the office space line the principal cause of us >falling flat, why don't we ask why the NBPC didn't have more >organizers ready to initiate work right after the campaign? That goes >back to another question: What could we do better when we organize so >that the people we work with begin to take initiative in political >work themselves? So that people become organizers instead of >task-doers, or activists. > >That is, how do people change their relationship to real democratic >politics? How do we change these relations? That is, change our >relations with our network so that our network begins to change its >relations with its people. > >I think we're better off asking questions like this, instead of >pinning longterm success and failure to singular decisions while >years' long processes are really the causal factors behind our >successs and failures with the NBPC last fall, for instance. > >I think that approach is more healthy for the movement, people >shouldn't be interrogated , like BOL is so good at, for ideological >mistakes they didn't give birth to. Historical materialism also >demands that all these trends are born from their pasts and give birth >to their futures. All those who call themselves Marxists should know >that--they should begin to reexamine their (our) tendency to reduce >ideological trends to single moments in time when their political >rivals acted incorrectly. > >I think this is a step towards cultural revolution that will allow us >to practice Unity and Struggle on a higher level. Paul > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:21:27 -0000 > > > > > >Paul, > > >If you don't want to have the discussion, what can I tell you. I >think that > > >so far it has been productive and comraderly. The fight club >refernce is > > >lost on me. Unless you disgaree with my assesment of the tone and >spirit of > > >the discussion thus far, I would guess either your are running out of > > >arguements, or you are being influenced by someone who fears struggle. > > > > > > As to the obstruction charge; I think that you are refusing >to look > > >at > > >it dialectically. First, you say I should have orgainzed people to >do the > > >things that I suggested. Actually, Paul, that's exactly what I did. > > >Revolutionaries in New Brunswick and their allies in other cities >have put > > >out two issues of Unity & Struggle as well as a pamphlet by Baraka and > > >AmiriBaraka.com now exists. U&S is being put on a more stable foting > > >reflective our our actual conditions and we are in the process of >uniting > > >with our allies in BNF and have already done so with >Revolutionaries from > > >Pa'lante. We have also begun to find ways to unite with >revolutionaries in > > >SWORD. While there are certainly shortcomings in these efforts. We >think > > >that we are further along then we have ever been. > > > It is my line and my comrdaes in U&S that these are the most >pressing > > >tasks of revolutionaries; in two words agitation and propaganda. I >say you > > >refuse to look at it dialectically because you seem to think that >you and > > >whoever you are organizing with have cornered the market on >revolutionary > > >activity, that nothing else exists. > > > Paul your masg. confuses me because you say struggle over >political > > >line in meetings is a waste of "precious time" that could be spent >"putting > > >people into action". Paul at best you seem to believe that "doing >work" or > > >practice is good in itself. I don't believe that. Before I get >"put into > > >action", I want to know what the action is and what purpose it >serves. I > > >don't do "work" for work's sake. And I would never encourage anyone >else to > > >do so. I "worked" in NJFO since 1994 and the political line has been > > >essenatially the same as the one you are upholding. We started to >break out > > >of it when we began the campaign but it is back in full force. A >bunch of > > >college students and former students canvasing New Brunswick has >never won > > >any referedum nor will it. The only way to advance on the local >level is to > > >cease acting unilaterally. And to begin to struggle tirelessly for >unity of > > >ALL progressive, revolutionary democartic forces and unite with the >working > > >people and democartic middle classes of New Brunswick. Especially their > > >existing organziations. Another "join us" effort or worse "don't >join us" > > >effort will fail. > > > I think that fundraising for an office community democracy >people's > > >center space is an obstruction to revolutionary political work. Also I > > >think > > >that that line (office space blah blah) is dead in the water. And >more > > >that > > >those who support it refuse to ackowledge that it is a failure, and an > > >incorrect line in PRACTICE as well as in theory the less we will be >able to > > >move forward.. Mao explains that the internal contradictions of a >thing or > > >process are primary over the external. I raise that point because I >am sure > > >that in addition to the accusation of obstructionism, we are also being > > >blamed for the failure of this political line. > > > Paul, the accusatuion of "obstructionism" in the local >movement is > > >the > > >catchall that has been used histroically to force splits and >expulsions. It > > >is leveled against anyone who disagrees and has the courage to >stand by and > > >struggle for their line. As you may or may not know Cliff was >expelled from > > >NJFO in 1996 because he oppossed the ultra-left formulation of >"Maoism" as > > >well as the Hungerford's line of Boycatting the presidentail >election. He > > >was a minority of one. Evry excuse was sought to get rid of his > > >"obstructionism". I can remember one meeting were he asked >repeatedly "what > > >is Maoism". This enraged the froup because on the one hand we were > > >"Maoists" > > >and on the other we didn't know what it was; in that position how >can you > > >answer the question. There is an answer expulsion. Unfortunatelt Cliff > > >provided the pret-text by assaulting women in the organiztion. But >the fact > > >remains that he was expelled because if his line (which in that >case was > > >correct) the reasons given for his expulsion were a disingenious >pre-text. > > > Sorry for the stroll down memory lane but these problmes have >not > > >been > > >sorted out and thus they remain. Paul and anyone else, it is my >line that > > >the obstruction is the office space line and that it has failed and >that > > >there is a persitent refusal to acknowledge that fact. > > >We need to unite revolutionaries and progressives, correct each >other and > > >put the defeat of Shundler in November on the top of our agenda. > > > > > >Keith > > >PS. I am still enjopying the debate and think that it is productive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0000 > > > > > > > >I personally am not so excited by this discussion. I'm beginning to > > >think > > > >it's rooted in some old and destructive traditions that relate to >the > > >Fight > > > >Club in all of us. > > > > > > > >As far as the obstruction goes, I think anyone who was at the >NJFO and > > >NBPC > > > >meetings following the election will agree that you not only made >your > > > >point > > > >explicitly, Keith, but you persistedly repeated yourself without > > > >encouraging > > > >productive discussion that would have lead towards some practical >action. > > > > > > > >With or without a majority standing, vocal advocates should >always make > > > >themselves clear, but you would have been a lot more effective if >you had > > > >focused your energy on organizing people (outside the meetings) >into the > > > >tasks you were suggesting, rather than speaking an inordinate >amount at > > >the > > > >meetings. When that happens we all lose precious time that could be > > >spent > > > >putting people into action or developing new ideas as a group in > > >meetings. > > > >That's why I call it 'obstruction'. > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:49:14 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >I am glad that this discussion is taking place, I think that it >is much > > > > >needed and will help us advance. It seems to me that we are >finding > > >some > > > > >points of agreement. > > > > >There are also some points of continued disagreement that I >hope we can > > > > >work > > > > >on. > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > >"I never denied that the NPBC made mistakes, my main complaint >is that > > > >the > > > > >most acute criticism has never made an attempt to assess our > > >relationship > > > > >with the working class in NB. It's been "they made alliances with > > >greens > > > > >and > > > > >repubs and where is the quantified and qualitative analysis?" >That's > > >been > > > > >followed by calls for quantitative and qualitative formal analysis. > > > > > > >Yes, we need that." > > > > > > > > > >It is my opinion that camapign was led by students and former >students > > > >and > > > > >had a primarily student base. At the same time it had significant > > >support > > > > >and sympathy among working people and elements of democratic middle > > > > >classes. > > > > >This is my one line assessment. But I also feel that working class > > >slogan > > > > >in > > > > >November 2000 was beat bush demand, more from Gore. By not >forwarding > > >the > > > > >slogan (because of the mentioned alliances) we alienated >ourselves from > > > > >working class people, during the course of the campaign and on >election > > > > >day. > > > > >At the same time not advancing the slogan (beat bush...) we did not > > > > >alienate > > > > >ourselves from students who supported Nader but they became our > > >strongest > > > > >supporters outside of the activist core and many joined the >activist > > > >core. > > > > > So what I am saying is that we (the People's Campaign) made a > > >choice > > > > >(some more conscious of this than others) to accomadate and seek > > >student > > > > >support when it led to an alienated relationship with the working > > >class. > > > > >The > > > > >opportunist aspect is that at least some of us believe >(including Paul, > > > > >judgeing from what he has written eldewhere) believe that the >working > > > >class > > > > >is the only class that will fight relentlessly and thoughly for > > >democracy > > > > >and revolution. Also when you disconnect local activity from a >more > > >long > > > > >term national vision/program you implicitly saying that "the >movemnt is > > > > >everything the goal is nothing". > > > > > > > > > >Paul continues: > > > > >"It was definitely a mistake to ignore national issues. Every >party in > > > >the > > > > >united front is entitled to produce their own literature, no >matter how > > > > >ineffective or corny it may be. And revolutionaries and others with > > > > >national > > > > >stands should have taken advantage of that. Forces who sought to > > >suppress > > > > >such agitprop should be called out in violation of the rules." > > > > > > > > > >I agree with you, but I would go farther and say that we must >have a > > > >united > > > > >front that has a level of unity that is beyond "defeat the >machine" we > > > > >don't > > > > >all have to be revolutionaries, or want socialism, but we all >have to > > > >want > > > > >democracy. For instance, I am not interested in organizational >unity > > >with > > > > >people who do not want to stop Bret Shundler, simply because we >don't > > > >have > > > > >time. > > > > > > > > > >Paul wrote: > > > > >"But to assert that all we had to do was put out the correct >line on > > > > >national issues and we would have won, is certainly fallacious > > >thinking." > > > > > > > > > >I think that all we need is ea correct political line in >general. Lokk > > >at > > > > >this way, what else could we have done. Could we have worked >harder > > >spent > > > > >more hours etc. I don't think that is possible. I don't think >anyone > > > >saved > > > > >anything for November 8. > > > > >At work they say don't to work fast you have to work smart. We >worked > > >as > > > > >fast as we could but we didn't work smart, that is we didn't >have a > > >good > > > > >political line. > > > > > > > > > > >I agree in general with the points you made using Betleheim, I >think > > >that > > > > >is > > > > >exactly the point. > > > > > > > > > >Paul ends with these questions. > > > > >"This brings up the most vital question---what course do we take to > > > > >organize > > > > >working class people to lead the movement? What are the >implications > > >for > > > > >the United Front? Can agitation and propaganda alone be the secret > > > > >weapons? > > > > >This questions are think are good ones., to organize the >working class > > >to > > > > >lead we must fuse socialist consciousness or revolutionary >ideology > > >with > > > > >the > > > > >working calss movemnt. I think that Lenin's What is to be done >adresses > > > >the > > > > >above questions. If you remember that Lenin was a meber of teh >Russian > > > > >Social-Democratic Labor Party which was in fact a united front of > > >various > > > > >revolutionary groupings and trends, both mensheviks and >Bolsheviks. It > > > > >didn't become the CPSUB until after October 1917. > > > > > > > > > >Paul you conclude with questions/accusations which I am sure >have been > > > >made > > > > >before but you are the firts to put these things to me >directly. Hurray > > > >for > > > > >a move against liberalism. Paul Wrote: > > > > >"What is the value of six months of criticisms that neglect to >suggest > > > > >better methods for accomplishing these tasks?" > > > > >Actually Paul I have made alternative proposals from the >beginning. I > > > >just > > > > >re-sent the proposal that I made at the Feb. 10th meeting where >it was > > > > >decided to work for the "community center democratic office >space". I > > >sd > > > > >that we should remain involvde in elecrial politics at the >local and > > > > >statewide level, that we should put forward a national program >or at > > > >leats > > > > >begin too. > > > > >The accusation you make is one taht has been made often in the >past six > > > > >months I don't think taht it is based in reality. If you think >that it > > >is > > > > >accurate I would appreciate it if you would elaborate so that I can > > > >correct > > > > >myself. > > > > > > > > > >Paul asked: > > > > >"What role has obstruction of meetings by forces on the Right >and the > > > >Left > > > > >(Frank and Keith) played in our dormancy?" > > > > > > > > > >This is another one of those accustaions. If you mean by >"obstruction" > > > >that > > > > >I refused to succomb to what I beleived (fund raising for the >office > > > > >community center democratic culture space) was a bad political >line and > > > > >that > > > > >I continually raised my objections and criticism then by all >means I am > > > > >guilty. But practice has proven that it is not so easy to raise 15 > > >large > > > >by > > > > >telling rich folks that you have a good idea to get rid of them >and you > > > > >would like them to finance it. As far as I am concerned >prcatice has > > > > >vindicated my criticism of this line. We can't even pay a two >hundred > > > > >dollar > > > > >phone bill. > > > > > A brief story might make the absurdity of the obstruction >charge > > > >clear. > > > > >If we all decided to take a trip to Florida and the driver got >on route > > > >80 > > > > >west and everyone but myself agreed that it was a good idea and >i kept > > > > >trying to get the car onto route 95 south... am I an >obstructionist. > > > > >Actually the obstructionsit charge is just a revulsion against > > >democracy. > > > > > Might I not just as easily say that the obstructionists >are the > > > > >supporters of the office/community center line who have >obstructed our > > > > >participation in electoral politics. Could it not be said that the > > > > >obstructionists are those who refuse to look at our efforts >criticially > > > >and > > > > >have sought to block all attempts to bring critical reflection >upon the > > > > >camapign. The whole time the most reactionary section of the > > >republican > > > > >party has been preparing a coup and now we have to deal with this > > >smiling > > > > >neo-fascist buffoon Bret Shundler and our champion is this Geek >mayor > > > >from > > > > >Wood bridge and we have done nothing but dream of raising money >and > > >avoid > > > > >criticsm. > > > > > I think that the obstructionist charge is a crock... > > > > >Could we all have jsut rallied around the office community >cnetr fund > > > > >raising line. sure, but we would not be any farther along on it >than we > > > >are > > > > >now and we would have the added benifit of being clueless. > > > > >I am glad that we are having this discussion. > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > > >>CC: nbpcmembers@y..., njfo@y... > > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Working class base > > > > > > >>Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 23:45:58 -0000 > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I am glad that Paul took the time to respond to the U&S forum. > > > > > > >>Unfortunately, he stepped back from the points that we >agreed upon > > > >at > > > > > >that > > > > > > >>meeting. > > > > > > >> One of the problems that has become apparent is that we >don't > > > >have > > > > > > >>agreement on some basic terminology. First is the term >"working > > > >class > > > > > > >>base". > > > > > > >>Paul writes: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>"Matthew and others have contended that we didn?t reach the > > >working > > > > > > >>class with the NBPC. I can?t think of many things farther >from > > >the > > > > > >truth. > > > > > > >>I?ve personally tried to convey this so many times..that >we spoke > > > >with > > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with >community > > > > >control, > > > > > > >>down with the platform, down with democracy." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul believes that a base of support is determined by who you > > >canvas > > > > >and > > > > > > >>if > > > > > > >>they like what you say. This is not what >Marxist-Leninists mean > > >by > > > > > >base. > > > > > > >>We mean who is the leadership and who is the active body >of the > > > > > >campaign. > > > > > > >>To > > > > > > >>have a working class base you must have working class >leadership > > >and > > > > > > >>working > > > > > > >>class membership. To be scientific, to base ourselves on >the facts > > > >of > > > > > >this > > > > > > >>issue just count. Are there more students than workers in the > > > > >campaign? > > > > > > >>Just review the videotapes of the NBPC meetings and you >will see > > > >that > > > > >it > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >>made up of students and led by students or former >students. This > > >is > > > >a > > > > > > >>simple > > > > > > >>fact. You are confusing the idea of a base with sympathy. > > > > > > >> That there was working class sympathy no one is >denying, this > > > > > > >>sympathy > > > > > > >>is what Paul experienced when he canvased. Some people who are > > > >looking > > > > > >for > > > > > > >>excuses say that working people don't have time for >meetings. This > > > >is > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>true, they don't have time for meetings that they see as >pointless > > > >but > > > > > > >>many > > > > > > >>workers spend entire Sundays at church > > > > > > >>and weeknights studying the bible. Many working peiople >are very > > > > >active > > > > > >we > > > > > > >>just have not combined and networked with them because we >want > > >them > > > >to > > > > > > >>join > > > > > > >>us rather than joining them. > > > > > > >>Further along Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"As a communist, I?ll say that our most important job is to > > > >represent > > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible." > > > > > > >>We also disagree here. As Communists our main task is to >organize > > > >the > > > > > > >>working class so that they can seize power. As Lejin >explained in > > > >What > > > > > >is > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>be done fuse socialist consiousness with the working class > > >movemnt. > > > > >The > > > > > > >>middle class claiming to represent working class interests >is a > > >long > > > > > > >>standing problem in the U.S. movement. See the movie Reds for > > > >instance > > > > > >or > > > > > > >>better yet check out the history. Look at the split >between Malcom > > > >and > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>NOI. That is a class split. That is the working class >struggling > > > > >against > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>petty-bourgeois for leadership of the movement. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > >>"...at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, >the NBPC > > > >was > > > > > > >>roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > >revolutionaries > > > > > > >>sold > > > > > > >>out their principles to form partnerships with pro-Bush >forces." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul, that is simply not true. The campaign was not >dismissed and > > > > > > >>certainly > > > > > > >>not as adventurist (the mistakes were actually >conservative not > > > > > > >>adventurist). > > > > > > >>What did happen is that we were able to come to an >agreemnet as to > > > > >some > > > > > > >>specific facts. First, we agreed it was a mistke that the >campaign > > > >did > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>put forward any national agenda, program, or principles >in any > > > > > >consistent > > > > > > >>way. Second there was no discussion of the presidential race > > > > >whatsoever, > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >>that such duiscussion was actively suppressed by the campaign > > > >itself. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > >>is here back peddaling because these are facts and if they are > > > >agreed > > > > > >upon > > > > > > >>facts then they must be answered for. Why was there no >discussion > > >of > > > > > > >>national politics? Answer that question and we will be getting > > > > > >somewhere. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul makes this point when he writes: > > > > > > >>"To dismiss the campaign on the grounds of two strategic >alliances > > > > >which > > > > > > >>barely affected tactics is to ignore the largest question of > > > > >progressive > > > > > > >>and > > > > > > >>revolutionary politics" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul, the "two strategic alliances" you are referring to >are with > > > >the > > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. I don't have any problem with those > > > >alliances > > > > > >so > > > > > > >>long as they do not result in compromises of principle and > > >political > > > > > >line. > > > > > > >>you say the alliances "barely affected tactics" are you >making a > > > >joke? > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > >>campaign did not attack the serial > > > > > > >>killer from texas who has since stolen the presidency >because we > > >had > > > > > > >>republican allies. The campaign did not make it clear that >Nader's > > > > > > >>candidacy > > > > > > >>was aiding and abieting Bush 2 because we had allies in >the Green > > > > >party. > > > > > > >>The > > > > > > >>working class knows that. The working class line in >November was > > > >Beat > > > > > > >>Bush! > > > > > > >>Demand more from Gore! > > > > > > >>The definition of opportunism, Paul, is to make long term > > > >sacrifices > > > > > > >>for short term gains. The thinking behind the compromises is > > > >textbook > > > > > > >>opportunism. I don't know how elese to understand your >statment > > >that > > > > >we > > > > > > >>are > > > > > > >>ignoring the "largest question of revolutionary politics". >Paul, > > > >what > > > > >is > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>largest question of revolutionary politics and how big is >it. To > > > > >dismiss > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>national for the local and revolution for reform, and this is > > > >precesly > > > > > > >>what > > > > > > >>was done, is opportunism. > > > > > > >>We fight for democracy because we want socialsim, we fight for > > > >reforms > > > > > > >>because we want revolution and we fight locally because >that is > > >how > > > >we > > > > > > >>make > > > > > > >>change nationally and internationlly. But to dismiss the ends > > > >because > > > > >it > > > > > > >>is > > > > > > >>easier to fight for democrcay without talking aout >socialism and > > >it > > > >is > > > > > > >>easier to fight for reforms without talking about >revolution this > > >is > > > > > > >>social-democracy not marxism-leninism. Check out Lenin on > > >Bernstein > > > >if > > > > > >you > > > > > > >>are interested. > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > > >certainly > > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who >contend > > > >that > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>campaign didn?t have a working class base, that the >campaign was > > >not > > > > > > >>revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without >detailed > > > > > > >>investigation." > > > > > > >>This reminds me of the kindergarden addage "I'm rubber and >your > > >glue > > > > > > >>whaever > > > > > > >>you say bounces off me and sticks to you". To say something is > > > > > >opportunism > > > > > > >>is not to call it doo doo. It is a word with a meaning. If >you are > > > > >going > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>accuse someone of it you should at leats have an arguemnt. For > > > > > >arguemenst > > > > > > >>sake let's say that your chrage of opportunism stems from your > > > >charge > > > > > >that > > > > > > >>we haven't conducted an investigation. This is a stretch >but its > > > >where > > > > > >we > > > > > > >>are I guess. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> But what does this mean "Without detailed >investigation" The > > > >facts > > > > > >are > > > > > > >>that I worked on the campaign from January 22 until >November 7. I > > > > >don't > > > > > > >>think that I took 2 days off from the campaign. I worked >on it > > >every > > > > > > >>single > > > > > > >>day. I quit my job to work on the campaign full time. I >did not > > > >miss > > > > > >one > > > > > > >>steering committee meeting, I canvassed regularly, I met with > > > >business > > > > > > >>owners, church groups, student groups etc. I helped create >most of > > > >the > > > > > > >>literature, I help to organize the first meeting and >chaired many > > >of > > > > >the > > > > > > >>following meetings. I was one of the three candidates. I >am not > > > > >patting > > > > > > >>my > > > > > > >>back, I want to know what you mean by "detailed >investigation". > > >What > > > > > >would > > > > > > >>you like me to do to conduct a "detailed investigation? >Should I > > >sit > > > > > >down > > > > > > >>and interview you about your canvassing experience? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Paul continues: > > > > > > >>"I don?t think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even >listened to > > >to > > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That?s not only unprinicipled, but >opportunist > > > > > >because > > > > > > >>they use their unfounded arguments to discount the >revolutionary > > > > > >practice > > > > > > >>of > > > > > > >>the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary practice is > > >predicated > > > >on > > > > > >the > > > > > > >>less-significant alliances > > > > > > >>formed with Greens and Republicans." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>If the "less-significant alliances with Republicnas and >Greens" > > >did > > > > >not > > > > > > >>determine the fact that the Campign had no National >Program, No > > > > >National > > > > > > >>agenda, and was in fact an anti-democrat party united >front which > > > > > >included > > > > > > >>republicans and at best very confused > > > > > > >>greens, I would like to know what did. No discussion of the > > > > >Presidential > > > > > > >>election which was what was on every one's minds was firstly > > > > >opportunist > > > > > > >>(short term put ahead of long term) and secondly one of >the main > > > > >reasons > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>were defeated in November. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Again the charge of opportunism makes no sense. Paul >claims U&S > > >just > > > > > >wants > > > > > > >>to "dis the campaign" why? The majority of the U&S editors >from > > >put > > > > > >blood > > > > > > >>sweat and tears into the campaign, we all have a right to >claim it > > > >as > > > > > >our > > > > > > >>own. I am associated with its activities whether I like it >or not, > > > >my > > > > > >name > > > > > > >>appeared on all of its literature. It seems to me that you >are > > >just > > > > >name > > > > > > >>calling. Their is no basis to your charge of opportunism. > > > > > > >>Paul, you have never put forward an analysis of why we >lost the > > > > > > >>election. Listening to you one would think that we won. >You just > > > > > > >>continually > > > > > > >>talk about how much people liked your rap when you >canvased them. > > >I > > > >do > > > > > >not > > > > > > >>doubt you are a fine canvaser but that is not the point. > > > > > > >>Paul wrote: > > > > > > >>"It?s precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > > >trends > > > >in > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem >credible > > >in > > > > >this > > > > > > >>ongoing debate." > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>What does this mean Paul.? What are the "current trends in > > > > > > >>revolutionary practice" of which I am ignorant. Is there a >new > > >plan > > > >to > > > > > > >>raise > > > > > > >>a million dollars from a great man of wealth who likes >your ideas? > > > >Or > > > > > >are > > > > > > >>we > > > > > > >>just well on our way to raising the 15 grand necessary for the > > > > >"People's > > > > > > >>democratic community center office > > > > > > >>space". Or is there just a "new" list serve without all those > > >pesky > > > > >msgs > > > > > > >>which interfere with "work". > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>As to the final point, Paul wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>"Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our >practice?" > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>This statement actually sheds light on the problem you are >having. > > > >You > > > > > > >>have practice and theory seperated into two compartments. >Practice > > > >and > > > > > > >>theory are not two different things. To talk about practice is > > > >theory, > > > > > >to > > > > > > >>think about practice is theory. The only time theory is >absent is > > > > >when > > > > > > >>you > > > > > > >>get into what Zen Buddhist call samdhi, or sports >enthusiats refer > > > >to > > > > >as > > > > > > >>the > > > > > > >>"zone" . Theory is the crytalization of practical >experience. To > > > > >insist > > > > > >on > > > > > > >>prcatice without theory as many have or just do "work" is the > > > >essence > > > > >of > > > > > > >>Social-Democracy. practice without theory has nothing to >do with > > > > > > >>revolution. > > > > > > >>Nor does theory without prcatice. > > > > > > >>So, how do we evaluate practice? with theory. > > > > > > >>Social Democrats say "the movement is everything, the goal is > > > >nothing" > > > > > > >>That is what Bernstien sd. And it is that same idea that is > > > >reflected > > > > > >when > > > > > > >>we hear the mantra "do work" repeated without discussion >of what > > > >work > > > > > >for > > > > > > >>what purpose to what ends. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Perhaps we would get farther if Paul and others who don't >believe > > > >any > > > > > > >>mistakes weremade explain why we lost? (that would be a > > >theoretical > > > > >act) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I would propose the following questions to "evelauate our > > >practice" > > > > > > >>1. Why did we lose? > > > > > > >>2. did we have a national program? > > > > > > >>3. did we discuss the presidential election? > > > > > > >>4. did we promote the slogan Beat Bush! Demand more from >Gore, > > >which > > > > >all > > > > > > >>revolutionaries agreed was the correct slogan > > > > > > >>5. Why were people funneled into a pipe dream "office space" > > >project > > > > > >after > > > > > > >>the November elections instead of remaining involved in >electoral > > > > > > >>politics? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>I don't propose thes as rhetorical questions if we can't >agree on > > > > > >answers > > > > > > >>to > > > > > > >>these questions we will never be able to achieve a unified > > >analysis. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Keith > > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > >>nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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you get yr head out of imaginary "office spaces" & into the community to learn to communicate. the people understand more than you think. cs >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:00:06 -0000 > >I understand that, but how do you say it to people who don't >understand imperialism? > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > the people vs. imperialism > > > > > > > > >From: FBRIGHT123@a... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:01:56 EDT > > > > > > > > > > > >If you read my e-mail, I feel Joe is divisive on the BOE question. >I said > > >Marxism is not necessarily divisive. No need to get so hot under the > > >collar, > > >Cliff. Personal name calling is an irrational way of determining >the proper > > >perspective to have on an issue. > > > > > >The signatures you got were great. No one wants to take that away >from you. > > >Other work was done that year besides the BOE question, though. > > > > > >Lastly ... hey, why can't I have a beer and not be criticized? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
au contraire, because bright supports schundler in nb, he may very well be inclined to get close to his opponents. what does he lose? but how does bright help us beat schundler? rather he helps schundler w/ yr inviting him to peoples' organizations. which is why the enemy is not welcome in peoples' organizations. cliff >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 15:33:40 -0500 > >Joe, >I misread your e-mail. You didn't make any connection to Shundler. > >But like you said the odds of Frank oppossing Shundler are 100 to 1. So he >won't join; >so we don't need to exclude him. That's my point. >Keith > >joseph smith wrote: > > > i do not know where you get the connection of my points to schundler? >that > > is not what i wrote. > > > > further more, where in the peoples' democratic united front is there >room > > for republicans? especially when you propose that the immediate task of >our > > united front be organized to bury the republicans. > > > > i would gladly accept any allies in this task, but bright will be of no > > assistance. if he decided to work to bury schundler i don't see how he >would > > affiliate with the republican party. > > > > let's just ask him. > > > > bright, do you support schundler? i'm layin 100 to 7 on yes - any >takers? > > > > joe > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 08:10:57 -0500 > > > > > >Joe, > > >If you think that the People's campaign registratiuon of any >republicans in > > >New Brunswick had an effect on Shundler's victory. I think that you >are > > >mistaken. > > >There are many reasons that Shundler won but your argument is mystical. >I > > >have already fought to unite evryone in the People's Camapign and will > > >continue to do so, but it has nothing to do with registering as a > > >repoublican. I don't agree with purging anyone at the moment from the > > >People's Campaign. I think that the People's Campaign must put the >defeat > > >of Shundler on the top of its agends immediately or be a useless > > >organization. If anyone doesn't like that, they can leave but I won't >purge > > >them or advocate that they be purged. If Frank wants to work for > > >Shundler's defeat I will work with him, if he doesn't, I > > >won't. > > > My line is principles of unity and work towards a democartic >program > > >as the basis of unity. No one is purged or expelled who agrees with the > > >principles and the program. To join or not to join is on them. > > > Purges are for a revolutionary organization not a mass based >united > > >front. The line of purging from mass organizations is fallacious; it is >the > > >same line that was upheld by the steering committeee of the People's > > >Camapign. Joe only disagrees with who got purged but the line is wrong >in > > >form and content. > > >Keith > > > > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > > > > no act of god can change these mistakes. > > > > you should make the proposal that myself and others be reinstated >into > > >the peoples' campaign and that the campaign purge itself of all >republicans > > >immediately. and that the campaign apply its practical tasks around the > > >surveys, that is the office space arguement. > > > > > > > > i am referring in my arguement with tom to the fact that the >republican > > >party outside of new brunswick took notice of a couple of thousand >votes > > >for registered republicans. do you not think this point is valid to >bring > > >up? it is the first time it has been suggested that i know of. it is >also > > >why bright was appointed to the housing authority. > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> > > > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: lknesta@... > > > > >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Fwd: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > > > >Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:57:20 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > >I resigned my republican registration and I have also criticized >the > > >actions and the political line. Yet, you constantly raise this point. > > >Perhaps you would like to issue me with some pennance. I could do two >acts > > >of contritions and 15 Our Fathers if that would be satisfactory. > > > > >Please advise. > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > > > >>Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, > > > > > >>njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >>Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > > > > >>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 20:04:06 -0400 > > > > > >> > > funny, all those "peoples' democratic" candidates are registered > > republicans. > > > > you play yourself, i just point it out. > > > > joe > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >From: "Thomas DeGloma" <tdegloma@...> > > > > > >> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >> >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpc@egroups.com, > > > > > >>njfo@egroups.com > > > > > >> >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Shank Schundler! working >class > > > > >base? > > > > > >> >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:42:04 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > >> > > > > > >>To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... > > > > > >>To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > >njfo-unsubscribe@... > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Your use of Yahoo! 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gd work, xavier. we stand ready. & after the council meeting, join us 4pm, wed. 4 july for open speak-out for revolutionary democracy & confederate flag-burning/ voter reg for mcgreasy at nb feaster park. pass it on. ps- ras baraka for nwk city council '02 meets 7pm tuesdays for planning &9:30 am, saturdays for work, 808 so.10th st. nwk. unite dont split. cliff >From: xavier.hansen@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] PLEASE FORWARD - NAZI THREAT IN HIGHLAND PARK >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 03:00:50 -0000 > >PLEASE FORWARD TO ALL: > >NAZI THREAT IN HIGHLAND PARK > > A racist gang of violent white supremacists has moved into >Highland Park and physically threatened and assaulted several Afro- >American residents. Neo-nazi thugs have allegedly operated from the >home of a borough public official who reportedly sports a "WHITE >POWER" tattoo and brags about illegally firing all black public >employees from his department! > >A STRING OF VIOLENT RACIST ATTACKS > > The much-delayed "investigation" by local authorities into the >violent incidents that took place on South Tenth Street in April was >a whitewash. Police Chief Ronald Haskins's report of May 9, 2001 only >resulted in a couple of petty misdemeanor charges and denied any >knowledge of a neo-nazi gang in our town. > Unconvinced by this official report, we, concerned residents, >conducted over a dozen interviews with victims, witnesses, borough >employees and public officials. Here are our findings: > Several residents of South Tenth Street report that beginning in >March of this year, a gang of neo-nazi skinheads started "hanging >out" at 233 South Tenth Street, home of Lloyd Young Sr., >Superintendent of Highland Park's Department of Public Works. > These white men in their late teens and early twenties numbered >about half a dozen, wore black slacks, shirts and boots, shaved their >heads and sported clothing and tattoos with neo-nazi symbols and >racist slogans. > In at least four separate incidents in the past months, >perpetrators fitting this description assaulted and harassed Afro- >American residents. > >MARCH: A 36-year old Afro-American woman told at a recent meeting of >Bridge Builders that she was physically assaulted in late March on >Benner St. by a white skinhead dressed in black after she came out of >Adams Bar. > >APRIL: On April 10, neighbors witnessed two white youths with shaved >heads come out of 233 South Tenth Street and chase black youths while >screaming death threats. One of the skinheads allegedly wielded a >crow bar, the other a baseball bat. Police claim a stone was thrown >at the house prior to this incident. > >APRIL: On April 11, several young black children allege that they >were chased by threatening skinheads in black outfits. > >JUNE: Soon after Memorial Day, a young Afro-American woman reported >that while she walked down Woodbridge Ave. she was surrounded and >physically intimidated by a gang of white skinheads dressed in black >who muttered threats at her. > >A WHITE SUPREMACIST BOROUGH OFFICIAL? > > Neighbors contend that members of a neo-nazi skinhead gang have >lived at the house of Lloyd Young Sr., including his son, Lloyd Young >Jr., and his nephew, Walter Pawlikowski. Both men were charged on May >9 with disorderly conduct along with Herbert T. Straub for the April >10 altercation. > Mr. Young Sr. has been the chief official at the Department of >Public Works for over 20 years. Co-workers and neighbors describe him >as a virulently racist man who sports a "WHITE POWER" tattoo on his >left arm. A former department employee also claims that several >current employees also sport white supremacist tattoos. > According to two former borough employees, Mr. Young has >repeatedly bragged about getting rid of all black workers in his >department. The borough administrator, Richard Kunze, confirmed that >THERE IS NOT A SINGLE BLACK, LATINO OR ASIAN EMPLOYEE LEFT IN >HIGHLAND PARK'S DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS. > >A RACIST COVER-UP? > > Lloyd Young Sr. -whose home, neighbors claim, has housed neo- >nazi skinheads- is on friendly terms with several local police >officers. Two neighbors report that following a loud argument five >years ago, they heard several shots coming from inside the house at >233 South Tenth Street but that the police made no arrest. > Former borough employees also assert that Mr. Young was very >active in the mayoral campaigns of former mayor and current Middlesex >County Freeholder James Polos. > Neither the police nor the town's political leaders have shown >the willingness to deal with this nazi threat openly. Worse, several >neighboring Afro-American teenagers and their parents allege that >Highland Park police told them not to walk on South Tenth Street to >avoid trouble. THIS IS "JIM CROW" SEGREGATION IN OUR TOWN. > We cannot allow any resident to be told where they can or cannot >go based on the color of their skin just because violent nazis live >in the neighborhood. > >Victims, witnesses, neighbors and co-workers all spoke on the >condition that their names not be used and said they have not pressed >charges because they are scared of these neo-nazi thugs and do not >trust that the police will protect them from retaliation. > >HIGHLAND PARK MUST SHOW >ZERO TOLERANCE FOR >WHITE SUPREMACIST CRIMINALS > > We are not faced with a couple of isolated bigots but with an >organized group of violent neo-nazi skinheads that may have a >foothold in our own local government! In Germany, Hitler's Nazis also >began with small groups of street thugs aided and abetted by corrupt >bureaucrats and police officers. The Nazi Party then rose to power >because the political leadership of Europe failed to act to stop it. >We can never make that mistake again. > > > We demand an investigation into all alleged neo-nazi criminal >activity in the borough and into all alleged civil rights violations >in Highland Park's Department of Public Works. > > We demand that any and all civil rights violators be prosecuted >to the full extent of the law, as well as any and all public >officials who failed to report civil rights violations known to them. > > We demand the establishment of an elected civilian police >control board to ensure that our police department protects and >serves all people and prosecutes all civil rights violators, even if >they hold positions of power in the government. > >SPEAK OUT AGAINST NEO-NAZI VIOLENCE! >JOIN US AT THE NEXT BOROUGH COUNCIL MEETING >TUESDAY JULY 10, 8PM > >If you have any information about neo-nazi activity or civil rights >violations in Highland Park, please call us at (732) 729-0873 or send >us an email at hp_peoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >HIGHLAND PARK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN - (732) 729-0873 >Reach us on the internet at hp_peoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Cliff, The undeniable attacks that Joe has made upon so many people point to the fact of his devisiveness. Clearly, the amount of votes the BOE question lost by is a fact of this. Joe has little ability to rally support to a decisive end. Racial profing has been put on the back burner, the BOE question, the Revolutionary Worker's Party, etc. is a testament that people may come to Joe when he is on the right side of an issue but is turned off immediately thereafter. Check it out. Best
onus your ass you are a decorated member of the peoples' most aggressive enemie forces - you can't handle what i'm gunna put on ya, i gots my own flava ain't that right flavier? >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 07:38:44 EDT > > >Joe, > >You fail to propose a cogent response and, instead, sloganeered. I believe >the onus is upon you. > >Best _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
The response is lost on me, Joe
that's right dim, you lose. shank schundler/air out bright/elsenior/skunk racist republicans you can't hide- the people charge you with genocide! joe >From: FBRIGHT123@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Schundler! response >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 19:55:37 EDT > > The response is lost on me, Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he has now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and will continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that prove since 1988 - so much for your arguements... bout them apples?? shank schundler! win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister ford!! the streets are watching -- get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, register voters, promote greasy, feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come on, >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported >Soaries-as-Republican). > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we known >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages to >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right wing >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more >effectively after the election. > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about unity. > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without unity, >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its personal >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' >with you. > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united >front. > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best >to alienate everyone else. > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > >Paul > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > (re: paul) > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a >revolutionary > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the >expulsion > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in the > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of the > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, >there has > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents >through the > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was led >by BOL. > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through the > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the outreach > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the losing %. > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get involved? > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. currently > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on public > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions on >public > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city >council. how > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > 000000 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 000000 > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > >> > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > >> > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. Matthew > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class with > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. I've > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > >> > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to listen. > > >> > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is, > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, >etc. > > >> > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > >> > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to represent > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and my > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the > > >>campaign experience. > > >> > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet know > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that deserves > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > >> > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores the > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the campaign > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for pro-democratic > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark. > > >> > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend that > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign was > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > >>investigation. > > >> > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed with > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > >> > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends in > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in > > >>this ongoing debate. > > >> > > >> > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and progressive > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an > > >>architect > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is that > > >>we need > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why the > > >>campaign > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > >> > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold >grassroots > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United >Nations > > >>for a > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working >together, > > >>I asked > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > >>organization. > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you can > > >>join what > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > >>organizing, > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, >*not* the > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant > > >>tendancy, or > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it doesn't > > >>mean > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > >>rescheduled > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > >>historically > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with working > > >>class > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be >compromised, > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like so > > >>many of > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the > > >>W.C. will > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > >>technicians to > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an >actual United > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means necessary. > > >> > > > >> > -Matt > > >> > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the Essence > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > >> > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political >leaders > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both >politics as > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he explained, a > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly > > >> > political." > > >> > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe >that to > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. While > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of >ed and > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be >permissible to > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which are > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some other > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary asking > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict (Can't > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all rent > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of return > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and >improvements > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a >democratically- > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has just > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. >Shouldn't the > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the rent > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > >> > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the >technical > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > >> > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of >credibility > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of >English > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of the > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be >enhanced by > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the campaign's > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who >understands > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can mouth > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive > > >> > technician/professional. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > >> > > Kris- > > >> > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not > > >> > intended to be > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > >> > accurately & point > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been >dominated > > >> > by the > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > >> > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working >class > > >> > community > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been >made > > >> > against > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but >NJFO > > >> > has been > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had made > > >> > inroads > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of >students & > > >> > > graduates. > > >> > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that advocating > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've consistantly > > >> > criticized > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and 'murder-mouth' > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my >experiences > > >> > because > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree >that it > > >> > is time > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep >beating > > >> > the same > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* >based on > > >> > the hard > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU shell...in > > >> > other words, > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > >> > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* >is the > > >> > nature of > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a United > > >> > Front. (I > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what >are the > > >> > points > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree >on in > > >> > substance > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't >get any > > >> > closer to > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander you > > >> > because > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the heart > > >> > because it > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with you. I > > >> > think we > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > >> > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them to > > >> > those of > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # of > > >> > postings to > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied >with > > >> > my > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a United > > >> > Front; that > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a >position > > >> > against > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike >Together") to > > >> > appease > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were >generally > > >> > abandoning > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that this > > >> > tendency of > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of >trial and > > >> > error > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' >space > > >> > for some > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > >> > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. > It's > > >> > hard to > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot >will be > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, > > >> > beginning on > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you >then. > > >> > Matt > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe is unequivically false. -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he has now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and will continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that prove since 1988 - so much for your arguements... bout them apples?? shank schundler! win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister ford!! the streets are watching -- get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, register voters, promote greasy, feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come on, >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported >Soaries-as-Republican). > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we known >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages to >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right wing >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more >effectively after the election. > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about unity. > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without unity, >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its personal >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' >with you. > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united >front. > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best >to alienate everyone else. > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > >Paul > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > (re: paul) > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a >revolutionary > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the >expulsion > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in the > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of the > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, >there has > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents >through the > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was led >by BOL. > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through the > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the outreach > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the losing %. > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get involved? > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. currently > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on public > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions on >public > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city >council. how > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > 000000 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 0 0 > > 000000 > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > >> > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > >> > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. Matthew > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class with > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. I've > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > >> > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to listen. > > >> > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is, > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, >etc. > > >> > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > >> > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to represent > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and my > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the > > >>campaign experience. > > >> > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet know > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that deserves > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other night, > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > >> > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores the > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the campaign > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for pro-democratic > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark. > > >> > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend that > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign was > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > >>investigation. > > >> > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of revolutionary > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed with > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > >> > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends in > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in > > >>this ongoing debate. > > >> > > >> > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and progressive > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an > > >>architect > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is that > > >>we need > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why the > > >>campaign > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > >> > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold >grassroots > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United >Nations > > >>for a > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working >together, > > >>I asked > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > >>organization. > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you can > > >>join what > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > >>organizing, > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, >*not* the > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant > > >>tendancy, or > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it doesn't > > >>mean > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > >>rescheduled > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > >>historically > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with working > > >>class > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be >compromised, > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like so > > >>many of > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the > > >>W.C. will > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > >>technicians to > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an >actual United > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means necessary. > > >> > > > >> > -Matt > > >> > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the Essence > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > >> > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political >leaders > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both >politics as > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he explained, a > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly > > >> > political." > > >> > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe >that to > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. While > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of >ed and > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be >permissible to > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which are > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some other > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary asking > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict (Can't > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all rent > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of return > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and >improvements > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a >democratically- > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has just > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. >Shouldn't the > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the rent > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > >> > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the >technical > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > >> > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of >credibility > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of >English > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of the > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be >enhanced by > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the campaign's > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who >understands > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can mouth > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive > > >> > technician/professional. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > >> > > Kris- > > >> > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not > > >> > intended to be > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > >> > accurately & point > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been >dominated > > >> > by the > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > >> > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working >class > > >> > community > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been >made > > >> > against > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but >NJFO > > >> > has been > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had made > > >> > inroads > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of >students & > > >> > > graduates. > > >> > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that advocating > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've consistantly > > >> > criticized > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and 'murder-mouth' > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my >experiences > > >> > because > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree >that it > > >> > is time > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep >beating > > >> > the same > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* >based on > > >> > the hard > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU shell...in > > >> > other words, > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > >> > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* >is the > > >> > nature of > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a United > > >> > Front. (I > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what >are the > > >> > points > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree >on in > > >> > substance > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't >get any > > >> > closer to > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander you > > >> > because > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the heart > > >> > because it > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with you. I > > >> > think we > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > >> > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them to > > >> > those of > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # of > > >> > postings to > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied >with > > >> > my > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a United > > >> > Front; that > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a >position > > >> > against > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike >Together") to > > >> > appease > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were >generally > > >> > abandoning > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that this > > >> > tendency of > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of >trial and > > >> > error > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' >space > > >> > for some > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > >> > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. > It's > > >> > hard to > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot >will be > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, > > >> > beginning on > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you >then. > > >> > Matt > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > > >> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... 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Subject: [FAIR-L] Why Wasn't Kissinger Asked About War Crimes Charges?
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 14:30:01 -0400
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ACTION ALERT: Why Wasn't Kissinger Asked About War Crimes Charges?
June 29, 2001
Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger was summoned last month to appear
at the French Palace of Justice to answer questions about murders and
disappearances in Chile in the 1970s. While the story was carried by major
European news outlets, it has received relatively little coverage in U.S.
media.
French authorities wanted to ask Kissinger, who was visiting Paris, about
Operation Condor, the terror network set up by the governments of Chile,
Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay, Ecuador and Bolivia. Evidence that the
U.S. government was aware of and lent support to Operation Condor has been
available for years (see The Nation, 8/9-16/99; New York Times, 3/6/01). The
French magistrate who summoned Kissinger was particularly interested in what
light he might shed on the disappearances of five French nationals who
disappeared in Chile during or shortly after the U.S.-supported coup there
in 1973.
But the French courts would learn nothing from Kissinger, who left town the
day after being summoned without answering any questions.
After the episode in France, Kissinger did a lengthy, one-on-one interview
with PBS's Charlie Rose (6/20/01). Kissinger also appeared alone with CNN's
Wolf Blitzer (6/21/01) and Fox News Channel's Paula Zahn (6/13/01). None of
the interviews even mentioned the French attempt to question Kissinger about
human rights abuses. Nor did any of the journalists bring up the question of
whether Kissinger might be indictable on war crimes charges, as journalist
Christopher Hitchens argued in a two-part Harper's magazine article (2/01,
3/01).
Was there an agreement that the interviewers would avoid raising such
uncomfortable issues for Kissinger? Charlie Rose was recently accused of
making such an agreement with Roger Ailes, the chairman of Fox News Channel.
In an interview with the New York Times Magazine (6/24/01), Ailes claimed
that he had written assurance from Rose that he would not be asked about
"politics" during his May 22 interview. Yvette Vega, the executive producer
for the Charlie Rose Show, told FAIR that she was unaware of any such deal
with Ailes.
But Kissinger himself seemed to have this kind of agreement with the
National Press Club in Washington, DC, where Kissinger spoke on June 21.
Noting that none of the questions asked of Kissinger, chosen from written
questions submitted by the audience, dealt with war crimes or human rights
investigations, journalists Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman asked Press
Club moderator Richard Koonce if there was some sort of arrangement to avoid
these topics.
According to Mokhiber and Weissman, Koonce explained that there was a
"definite sensitivity" to those kinds of questions, and that Kissinger "was
afraid that if we got into a discussion of that, for the vast majority of
people that, it would take so much time to explain all of the context, that,
you know, he preferred to avoid that."
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don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can produce my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why you are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a beans papi. further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? what shall we learn? further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i do to facilitate putting out the issue? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe is >unequivically false. -Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he has >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and will >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that >prove >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... >bout them apples?? > >shank schundler! >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister >ford!! > >the streets are watching -- >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, >register voters, promote greasy, >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come on, > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we known > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages to > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right wing > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > >effectively after the election. > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about unity. > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without unity, > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its personal > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' > >with you. > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united > >front. > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best > >to alienate everyone else. > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > > > >Paul > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > >revolutionary > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the > >expulsion > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in the > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of the > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, > >there has > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > >through the > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was led > >by BOL. > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through the > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the outreach > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the losing >%. > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get >involved? > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. >currently > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on public > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions on > >public > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > >council. how > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > 000000 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 000000 > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > >> > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > > >> > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. >Matthew > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class >with > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. >I've > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > >> > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to >listen. > > > >> > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is, > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, > >etc. > > > >> > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > >> > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to >represent > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and >my > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the > > > >>campaign experience. > > > >> > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet >know > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that >deserves > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other >night, > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > >> > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores >the > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the >campaign > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for >pro-democratic > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark. > > > >> > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend >that > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign >was > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > > >>investigation. > > > >> > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of >revolutionary > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed >with > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > >> > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends >in > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and >progressive > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an > > > >>architect > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is >that > > > >>we need > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why >the > > > >>campaign > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > >> > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold > >grassroots > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United > >Nations > > > >>for a > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > >together, > > > >>I asked > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > > >>organization. > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you >can > > > >>join what > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > > >>organizing, > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > >*not* the > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant > > > >>tendancy, or > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it >doesn't > > > >>mean > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > > >>rescheduled > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > > >>historically > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with >working > > > >>class > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > >compromised, > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like >so > > > >>many of > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the > > > >>W.C. will > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > >>technicians to > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > >actual United > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means >necessary. > > > >> > > > > >> > -Matt > > > >> > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the >Essence > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > >> > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political > >leaders > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > >politics as > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he >explained, >a > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly > > > >> > political." > > > >> > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe > >that to > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. >While > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of > >ed and > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > >permissible to > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which >are > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some >other > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary >asking > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict >(Can't > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all >rent > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of >return > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > >improvements > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > >democratically- > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has >just > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > >Shouldn't the > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the >rent > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > > >> > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > >technical > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > >> > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > >credibility > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of > >English > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of >the > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > >enhanced by > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the >campaign's > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > >understands > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can >mouth > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > >> > > Kris- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not > > > >> > intended to be > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > > >> > accurately & point > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been > >dominated > > > >> > by the > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working > >class > > > >> > community > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been > >made > > > >> > against > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but > >NJFO > > > >> > has been > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had >made > > > >> > inroads > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of > >students & > > > >> > > graduates. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that >advocating > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've >consistantly > > > >> > criticized > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and >'murder-mouth' > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > >experiences > > > >> > because > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree > >that it > > > >> > is time > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep > >beating > > > >> > the same > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* > >based on > > > >> > the hard > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU >shell...in > > > >> > other words, > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* > >is the > > > >> > nature of > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a >United > > > >> > Front. (I > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what > >are the > > > >> > points > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree > >on in > > > >> > substance > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't > >get any > > > >> > closer to > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander >you > > > >> > because > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the >heart > > > >> > because it > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with >you. >I > > > >> > think we > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them >to > > > >> > those of > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # >of > > > >> > postings to > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied > >with > > > >> > my > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a >United > > > >> > Front; that > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a > >position > > > >> > against > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > >Together") to > > > >> > appease > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > >generally > > > >> > abandoning > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that >this > > > >> > tendency of > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of > >trial and > > > >> > error > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' > >space > > > >> > for some > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. > > It's > > > >> > hard to > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot > >will be > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, > > > >> > beginning on > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you > >then. > > > >> > Matt > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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wake up. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe is >unequivically false. -Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he has >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and will >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that >prove >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... >bout them apples?? > >shank schundler! >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister >ford!! > >the streets are watching -- >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, >register voters, promote greasy, >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come on, > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we known > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages to > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right wing > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > >effectively after the election. > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about unity. > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without unity, > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its personal > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' > >with you. > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united > >front. > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best > >to alienate everyone else. > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > > > >Paul > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > >revolutionary > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the > >expulsion > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in the > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of the > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, > >there has > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > >through the > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was led > >by BOL. > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through the > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the outreach > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the losing >%. > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get >involved? > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. >currently > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on public > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions on > >public > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > >council. how > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > 000000 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 000000 > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > >> > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > > >> > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. >Matthew > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class >with > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. >I've > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > >> > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to >listen. > > > >> > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is, > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, > >etc. > > > >> > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > >> > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to >represent > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and >my > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the > > > >>campaign experience. > > > >> > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet >know > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that >deserves > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other >night, > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > >> > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores >the > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the >campaign > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for >pro-democratic > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark. > > > >> > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend >that > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign >was > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > > >>investigation. > > > >> > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of >revolutionary > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed >with > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > >> > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends >in > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and >progressive > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an > > > >>architect > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is >that > > > >>we need > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why >the > > > >>campaign > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > >> > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold > >grassroots > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United > >Nations > > > >>for a > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > >together, > > > >>I asked > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > > >>organization. > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you >can > > > >>join what > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > > >>organizing, > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > >*not* the > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant > > > >>tendancy, or > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it >doesn't > > > >>mean > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > > >>rescheduled > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > > >>historically > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with >working > > > >>class > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > >compromised, > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like >so > > > >>many of > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the > > > >>W.C. will > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > >>technicians to > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > >actual United > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means >necessary. > > > >> > > > > >> > -Matt > > > >> > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the >Essence > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > >> > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political > >leaders > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > >politics as > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he >explained, >a > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly > > > >> > political." > > > >> > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe > >that to > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. >While > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of > >ed and > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > >permissible to > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which >are > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some >other > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary >asking > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict >(Can't > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all >rent > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of >return > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > >improvements > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > >democratically- > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has >just > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > >Shouldn't the > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the >rent > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > > >> > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > >technical > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > >> > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > >credibility > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of > >English > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of >the > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > >enhanced by > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the >campaign's > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > >understands > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can >mouth > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > >> > > Kris- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not > > > >> > intended to be > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > > >> > accurately & point > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been > >dominated > > > >> > by the > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working > >class > > > >> > community > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been > >made > > > >> > against > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but > >NJFO > > > >> > has been > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had >made > > > >> > inroads > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of > >students & > > > >> > > graduates. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that >advocating > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've >consistantly > > > >> > criticized > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and >'murder-mouth' > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > >experiences > > > >> > because > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree > >that it > > > >> > is time > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep > >beating > > > >> > the same > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* > >based on > > > >> > the hard > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU >shell...in > > > >> > other words, > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* > >is the > > > >> > nature of > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a >United > > > >> > Front. (I > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what > >are the > > > >> > points > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree > >on in > > > >> > substance > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't > >get any > > > >> > closer to > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander >you > > > >> > because > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the >heart > > > >> > because it > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with >you. >I > > > >> > think we > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them >to > > > >> > those of > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # >of > > > >> > postings to > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied > >with > > > >> > my > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a >United > > > >> > Front; that > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a > >position > > > >> > against > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > >Together") to > > > >> > appease > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > >generally > > > >> > abandoning > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that >this > > > >> > tendency of > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of > >trial and > > > >> > error > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' > >space > > > >> > for some > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. > > It's > > > >> > hard to > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot > >will be > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, > > > >> > beginning on > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you > >then. > > > >> > Matt > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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american revolution celebration party. 39 throop ave. tues, 3 July. all non-republicans welcome. cs
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: amirib@..., poprogress@yahoogroups.com, kmyers@..., >OH_G@..., marcosxh@..., hajdukmi@..., >njfo@yahoogroups.com, sprince52@..., traceyx@... >Subject: [njfo] Who is Darth Henson? aka aka aka aka >aka.............................. >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:56:06 > >Dear POP: > >I appreciate the reponses to my post challenging the Greens to get behind >the movement to Beat Bret & keep the far-right from gaining control of the >state house in November. To summarize, the responses generally upheld the >same position that the Democrats and Republicans are cut from the same >corporate/bourgeois mold, and therefore must be equally resisted, to make >way for an independant party of the people, which the Greens and upwards of >4% of voters nationally, believe to be the Green Party. It is important >that we debate these urgent issues in a principled and above board way, and >I will try to keep my arguments on point and "attack" the ideas rather than >the individuals. However, before that can occur, I am forced to address >this post by David Hungerford (aka:aka:whatever): > >I stand accused of creating a "ploy to disorganize the people's antifascist >struggle..." It's interesting (perhaps wise, definitely safer) that Mr. >Hungerford would restrict this kind of slander to the e-group..because >although my ideological perspective is open and established, he has never >dared to accuse me of such "ploys" to my face, and if he did, he'd have >ANOTHER thing coming. Truth be told, I'm another lucky survivor of the >secret, cell-bound, Communist Union run by Mr. Hungerford's (aka) >look-alike, Darth Henson (Fab-W) so I'm all too familiar with how >dissenters >get mis-treated, slandered then ostrasized by this counterfeit >revolutionary. ***Before anyone suggests that this is not the place for >the >dirty-laundry of Darth's old organization to be aired, I will say that >anywhere he responds to a principled position like the one I posted with a >slanderous accusation that the intention is to disrupt the united front, he >must be confronted and exposed. Folks that know me will know that I've >worked relentlessly for the last 8 years (since I moved to New >Brunswick/Newark) to build up the movement for revolutionary democracy. >Whether with revolutionary cultural work in NJFO, organizing (co-founding) >the NB Coalition Against Police Brutality, with the NB Peoples' Campaign, >and now carrying the struggle with me into my work as an architecture >student at NJIT here in Newark, I have always worked to build up the >movement, and this is the first time that I can think of that someone >leveled such an accusation against me. The great irony is that all of the >work I was involved with in NB happened IN SPITE of Darth, as opposed to on >account of him. And we are still picking up the pieces from the "secret" >disruptions of our relationships with organizations such as BNF, Pa'Lante, >U&S, etc. So thanks for the memories, Darth, but watch where you step. ( >PS- my roommate is Tracey Luzcz, and I live at 73 James St. Newark, and I >don't sit about inventing "ploys"- I deal from the top of the deck.) > >So my question to the audience is this- If Darth is really interested in >building up a real United Front, then why the hostility toward anyone >posting a dissenting opinion? Is United Front beholden to Darth's >innuendo-filled notion of what the "Party Line" should be? Or is something >else afoot??? (And btw, Darth, before you sick your boy-wonder, >Ruthenberg, >on me, spare us all...I don't shadow box) > >If anyone else is interested in carrying on this critical debate (the other >one about the gubenatorial race!) in a principled, above-board way, then >please let me restate the principle issue as I see it: > >1. Vote the Green alternative for the top-positions & risk the far-Right >taking power in the State House (as they did the White House, I would >argue). > >vs > >2. Build the revolutionary democratic united front from the ground up (w/ >the parallel revolution in popular culture/thought), and waste the >encroaching far-right/republicans in the interim, with the objective of >this >united front/coalition work leading toward party building & seizing power >for/with the people. > > >In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [poprogress] Morristown, July 4 >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:41:19 -0400 > >Matt's message can be taken as little more than a ploy to disorganize the >people's antifascist struggle in favor of the Democratic Party. > >First, July 4 in Morristown is not a matter of "chasing the Brown Shirts in >the streets." It is a matter of political/ideological confrontation with >fascist forces not only in the street but, more importantly, in the state >apparatus. The July 4 effort has seen a continuing struggle to educate >those >who would fall into the trap of physical confrontation with the state. > >Second, what are these great "contradictions between the dems/reps" that >Matt and his political "camp" keep talking about? They never tell us. If it >is a matter of revealed knowledge among the chosen, OK. People have a right >to hold whatever religious views they choose. But if factual >"contradictions" are alleged, Matt's camp owes us an explanation. > >The real problem with Matt's line is that he believes the bourgeoisie, >i.e., >the capitalist ruling class, is the main force in history. We find this on >page 10 of the May 1999 issue of the Unity & Struggle Journal: >"Revolutionaries Unite because the principal contradiction in the world >(including the US) is Imperialism vs the People and Imperialism is the >principal aspect of that contradiction." [my emphasis - DH] > >This is The Revealed Word. Hence, in the struggle against >fascism, Matt wants to rely on the Democratic Party, i.e., the bourgeoisie, >and not on the masses. > >This is wrong. The masses are the real makers of history. So go ahead, >Matt, >jump on the McGravy Train. "It's a free country," it's said. But don't try >to mess up the struggle of the masses against fascism. > >Dave > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:21 PM >Subject: Re: [poprogress] Morristown, July 4 > > > > Dear POP: (responding to Dave) > > > > I wonder if Barret is going to edorse Kemp/Schundler? Chasing the >Brown > > Shirts in the streets is fine for now, but the grassroots far-right > > (nationally, mind you) is ready to do battle for the NJ State House. >All > > arguments of "no contradictions between the dems/reps" & "the Democrats >are > > the main enemy" are clearly & hopelessly bankrupt. It's on...Schundler >& > > the right must be defeated in November. I hope the Greens know what >time >it > > is...Matthew Smith. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com > > To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [poprogress] Morristown, July 4 > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 21:23:34 -0400 > > > > The white supremacist Richard Barrett returns to Morristown on July 4. >This > > year his message is "racial profiling saves lives." He also plans to >speak > > in support of the Cincinatti cop who killed Timothy Thomas, sparking >the > > people's justified rebellion. > > > > Barrett intends to swing public opinion in favor of police racism and > > brutality while hiding behind a fake issue of "free speech." > > > > POP will organize a car caravan to Morristown to expose and discredit >this > > racist reactionary and his far-right and police backers. We will meet >at >the > > WISOMMM Mansion, 53 Lincoln Park, at 8 AM on July 4. From there we will > > proceed to Budd Park in Morristown. > > > > There we will join at 9:00 AM with Morristown residents and progressive > > people from all over the NY/NJ area. We will march to the vicinity of >the > > Barrett/cop provocation with signs and banners opposing white supremacy >and > > upholding the unity of the peoples. > > > > We will hold a speaking program that will give priority to victims of >police > > brutality and surviving family members. We will line the barricades > > protecting Barrett with our banners and signs. We will expose and >defeat >the > > whole dirty cop/Barrett scheme. We will not fall into any traps of >police > > provocation. When we are ready we will retreat to Budd Park and join >the > > people's festivities there. > > > > Please join us at the WISOMMM Mansion, 53 Lincoln Park in Newark at 8 >AM >on > > July 4. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Steve Ma, a citizen from Metuchen who launched a 6-month, 1500-mile walk through New Jersey to unite citizens around the issue of campaign finance reform, is making a stop in New Brunswick on Thursday, July 5th, at the New Brunswick Public Library. The New Brunswick People�s Campaign will host a talk by Ma at 6:30 pm for all concerned citizens. Ma, who is walking through 235 towns and hitting every county and legislative district in the state, will speak about money�s undue influence in New Jersey politics and his strategy to set politics right. Common Cause, the League of Women Voters, and the New Jersey Public Interest Research Group, the three leading reform organizations in the state, all support Ma�s effort. The specific bill Steve is proposing (that is also being backed by PIRG, League of Women Voters, Common Cause, and Citizen Action), is a Clean Elections bill. It is a model bill that has passed in four states already: Maine, Arizona, Oregon, and Colorado. The Clean Elections bill is a reform that allows candidates to run for office without relying on big monied interests by offering public financing to qualified candidates. Currently, Common Cause is looking into finding sponsors for the bill--it has not yet been brought up to the legislature. The results from the other states that passed the Clean Elections bill are extremely encouraging: citizens had more candidates to choose from, and candidates spent more time with their constituents and ran successful campaigns without relying on huge campaign contributions. In fact, 1/3 of Maine's legislators currently in office are not beholden to any special interests because they opted to run on public financing. Ma�s walk will end in Trenton on October 20th, with citizens from every corner of the state joining him in a town hall-style meeting that will provide voters with the opportunity to call on our candidates for governor to put campaign finance reform on the top of the political agenda. Ma will encourage New Brunswick residents to join him that day. Ma can be identified by the 3 X 5-foot American flag he carries with him, a symbol to signify that he walks not in protest or anger, but with pride in his country and state and with the belief that our democracy can be better. Citizens can visit www.walk4reform.com to learn more about his effort. All interested citizens are welcome to attend the presentation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
It's times like this that the internet & e-group thang becomes dangerous. I mean, do I take this shit seriously and strangle my monitor as the public debate gets dragged down once again into knee deep vitriol, insults and slander. Do I take the gloves off & give this post the back of my hand? Or do I just scratch my head and wonder what the hell this guy is thinking (& what this has to do with unity building, or anything remotely constructive, let alone principled debate from a *communist*), while trying to remember that he's actually my blood, even if he chooses to forget...I'm running out of answers, folks. (PS if I thought it would matter for a second to the 2-3 people who think Curtis is an imperialist (sigh), I would make the effort to bust out my home videos of him speaking in public.) Yours,or not- Matt Joe wrote: don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can produce my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why you are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a beans papi. further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? what shall we learn? further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i do to facilitate putting out the issue? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe is >unequivically false. -Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he has >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and will >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that >prove >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... >bout them apples?? > >shank schundler! >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister >ford!! > >the streets are watching -- >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, >register voters, promote greasy, >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come on, > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we known > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages to > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right wing > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > >effectively after the election. > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about unity. > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without unity, > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its personal > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' > >with you. > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united > >front. > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best > >to alienate everyone else. > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > > > >Paul > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > >revolutionary > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the > >expulsion > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in the > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of the > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, > >there has > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > >through the > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was led > >by BOL. > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through the > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the outreach > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the losing >%. > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get >involved? > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. >currently > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on public > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions on > >public > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > >council. how > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > 000000 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 0 0 > > > 000000 > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > >> > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > > >> > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. >Matthew > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class >with > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. >I've > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke with > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > >> > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to >listen. > > > >> > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform was > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that is, > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of working > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on continued > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in our > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the NBPC, > >etc. > > > >> > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > >> > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to >represent > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think my > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so many > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong and >my > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on the > > > >>campaign experience. > > > >> > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet >know > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that >deserves > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other >night, > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in which > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships with > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > >> > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, ignores >the > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the political > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the >campaign > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the working > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for >pro-democratic > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. Any > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. But > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in Newark. > > > >> > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it certainly > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who contend >that > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign >was > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without detailed > > > >>investigation. > > > >> > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to to > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but opportunist > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of >revolutionary > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed >with > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > >> > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current trends >in > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible in > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and >progressive > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be an > > > >>architect > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point is >that > > > >>we need > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why >the > > > >>campaign > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > >> > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold > >grassroots > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United > >Nations > > > >>for a > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > >together, > > > >>I asked > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > > >>organization. > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you >can > > > >>join what > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > > >>organizing, > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > >*not* the > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a dominant > > > >>tendancy, or > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it >doesn't > > > >>mean > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > > >>rescheduled > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > > >>historically > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with >working > > > >>class > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > >compromised, > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" like >so > > > >>many of > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that the > > > >>W.C. will > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > >>technicians to > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > >actual United > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means >necessary. > > > >> > > > > >> > -Matt > > > >> > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the >Essence > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > >> > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political > >leaders > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > >politics as > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even law). > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he >explained, >a > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, empty-headedly > > > >> > political." > > > >> > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe > >that to > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. >While > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board of > >ed and > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > >permissible to > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which >are > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some >other > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary >asking > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict >(Can't > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the NBPC > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all >rent > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of >return > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > >improvements > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > >democratically- > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB has >just > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > >Shouldn't the > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the >rent > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > > >> > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > >technical > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > >> > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > >credibility > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of > >English > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many of >the > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other egroup). > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > >enhanced by > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the >campaign's > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in electoral > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > >understands > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating in, > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can >mouth > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the progressive > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > >> > > Kris- > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though not > > > >> > intended to be > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > > >> > accurately & point > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been > >dominated > > > >> > by the > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the working > >class > > > >> > community > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have been > >made > > > >> > against > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. but > >NJFO > > > >> > has been > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC had >made > > > >> > inroads > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of > >students & > > > >> > > graduates. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that >advocating > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've >consistantly > > > >> > criticized > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and >'murder-mouth' > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > >experiences > > > >> > because > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree > >that it > > > >> > is time > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep > >beating > > > >> > the same > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel that > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* > >based on > > > >> > the hard > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU >shell...in > > > >> > other words, > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue *still* > >is the > > > >> > nature of > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a >United > > > >> > Front. (I > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely what > >are the > > > >> > points > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we disagree > >on in > > > >> > substance > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't > >get any > > > >> > closer to > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or slander >you > > > >> > because > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the >heart > > > >> > because it > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with >you. >I > > > >> > think we > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare them >to > > > >> > those of > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the # >of > > > >> > postings to > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too preoccupied > >with > > > >> > my > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a >United > > > >> > Front; that > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a > >position > > > >> > against > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > >Together") to > > > >> > appease > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > >generally > > > >> > abandoning > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that >this > > > >> > tendency of > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of > >trial and > > > >> > error > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a 'pure' > >space > > > >> > for some > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history together. > > It's > > > >> > hard to > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot > >will be > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the future, > > > >> > beginning on > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See you > >then. > > > >> > Matt > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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REPUBLICAN is what curtis is (sigh). i have the articles and quotes from skunk soaries speaking in public back when potts got got and skunk was quoting malcolm, now he's black imperialist #1 for NJ. my attempts to build unity have nothing to do with republicans, how bout yours? matt, you go from calling my statements lies to accusing me of slandering people - rather why don't you just keep quite and let the truth be comprehended for what it is. nobody wants your answers, what we need from you is to organize to bury the republicans. where are the articles for U&S with all your time to defend republicans? why isn't the newspaper your highest priority? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:19:33 > >It's times like this that the internet & e-group thang becomes dangerous. >I >mean, do I take this shit seriously and strangle my monitor as the public >debate gets dragged down once again into knee deep vitriol, insults and >slander. Do I take the gloves off & give this post the back of my hand? >Or >do I just scratch my head and wonder what the hell this guy is thinking (& >what this has to do with unity building, or anything remotely constructive, >let alone principled debate from a *communist*), while trying to remember >that he's actually my blood, even if he chooses to forget...I'm running out >of answers, folks. > >(PS if I thought it would matter for a second to the 2-3 people who think >Curtis is an imperialist (sigh), I would make the effort to bust out my >home >videos of him speaking in public.) > >Yours,or not- Matt > > >Joe wrote: > >don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can produce >my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why you >are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a beans >papi. > >further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one >advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? > >your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding >the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? what >shall we learn? > >further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i do >to >facilitate putting out the issue? > >joe > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > > > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe >is > >unequivically false. -Matt > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > > > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he >has > >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and >will > >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that > >prove > >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... > >bout them apples?? > > > >shank schundler! > >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister > >ford!! > > > >the streets are watching -- > >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick > >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, > >register voters, promote greasy, > >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 > >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the > > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. > > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come >on, > > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you > > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't > > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported > > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we >known > > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright > > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages >to > > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive > > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right >wing > > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > > >effectively after the election. > > > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of > > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > > > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported > > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem > > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using > > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I > > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque > > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about >unity. > > > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without >unity, > > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations > > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its >personal > > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you > > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' > > >with you. > > > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united > > >front. > > > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. > > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. > > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best > > >to alienate everyone else. > > > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > > >revolutionary > > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the > > >expulsion > > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in >the > > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of >the > > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, > > >there has > > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > > >through the > > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was >led > > >by BOL. > > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through >the > > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the >outreach > > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the >losing > >%. > > > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get > >involved? > > > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. > >currently > > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on >public > > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions >on > > >public > > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > > >council. how > > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > > > 000000 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 000000 > > > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. > >Matthew > > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class > >with > > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. > >I've > > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke >with > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > > >> > > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to > >listen. > > > > >> > > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform >was > > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that >is, > > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of >working > > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on >continued > > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in >our > > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the >NBPC, > > >etc. > > > > >> > > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > > >> > > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to > >represent > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think >my > > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so >many > > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong >and > >my > > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on >the > > > > >>campaign experience. > > > > >> > > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet > >know > > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that > >deserves > > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other > >night, > > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in >which > > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships >with > > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > > >> > > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, >ignores > >the > > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the >political > > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the > >campaign > > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the >working > > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for > >pro-democratic > > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. >Any > > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. >But > > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in >Newark. > > > > >> > > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it >certainly > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who >contend > >that > > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign > >was > > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without >detailed > > > > >>investigation. > > > > >> > > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to >to > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but >opportunist > > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of > >revolutionary > > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed > >with > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > > >> > > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current >trends > >in > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible >in > > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and > >progressive > > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be >an > > > > >>architect > > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point >is > >that > > > > >>we need > > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why > >the > > > > >>campaign > > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold > > >grassroots > > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United > > >Nations > > > > >>for a > > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > > >together, > > > > >>I asked > > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > > > >>organization. > > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you > >can > > > > >>join what > > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > > > >>organizing, > > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > > >*not* the > > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a >dominant > > > > >>tendancy, or > > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it > >doesn't > > > > >>mean > > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > > > >>rescheduled > > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > > > >>historically > > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with > >working > > > > >>class > > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > > >compromised, > > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" >like > >so > > > > >>many of > > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that >the > > > > >>W.C. will > > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > > >>technicians to > > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > > >actual United > > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means > >necessary. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -Matt > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the > >Essence > > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political > > >leaders > > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > > >politics as > > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even >law). > > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he > >explained, > >a > > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, >empty-headedly > > > > >> > political." > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe > > >that to > > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. > >While > > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board >of > > >ed and > > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > > >permissible to > > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which > >are > > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some > >other > > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary > >asking > > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict > >(Can't > > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the >NBPC > > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all > >rent > > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of > >return > > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > > >improvements > > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > > >democratically- > > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB >has > >just > > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > > >Shouldn't the > > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the > >rent > > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > > >technical > > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > > >credibility > > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of > > >English > > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many >of > >the > > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other >egroup). > > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > > >enhanced by > > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the > >campaign's > > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in >electoral > > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > > >understands > > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating >in, > > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can > >mouth > > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the >progressive > > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > > >> > > Kris- > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though >not > > > > >> > intended to be > > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > > > >> > accurately & point > > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been > > >dominated > > > > >> > by the > > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the >working > > >class > > > > >> > community > > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have >been > > >made > > > > >> > against > > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. >but > > >NJFO > > > > >> > has been > > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC >had > >made > > > > >> > inroads > > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of > > >students & > > > > >> > > graduates. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that > >advocating > > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've > >consistantly > > > > >> > criticized > > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and > >'murder-mouth' > > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > > >experiences > > > > >> > because > > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree > > >that it > > > > >> > is time > > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep > > >beating > > > > >> > the same > > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel >that > > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* > > >based on > > > > >> > the hard > > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU > >shell...in > > > > >> > other words, > > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue >*still* > > >is the > > > > >> > nature of > > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a > >United > > > > >> > Front. (I > > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely >what > > >are the > > > > >> > points > > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we >disagree > > >on in > > > > >> > substance > > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't > > >get any > > > > >> > closer to > > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or >slander > >you > > > > >> > because > > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the > >heart > > > > >> > because it > > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with > >you. > >I > > > > >> > think we > > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare >them > >to > > > > >> > those of > > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the ># > >of > > > > >> > postings to > > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too >preoccupied > > >with > > > > >> > my > > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a > >United > > > > >> > Front; that > > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a > > >position > > > > >> > against > > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > > >Together") to > > > > >> > appease > > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > > >generally > > > > >> > abandoning > > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that > >this > > > > >> > tendency of > > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of > > >trial and > > > > >> > error > > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a >'pure' > > >space > > > > >> > for some > > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history >together. > > > It's > > > > >> > hard to > > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot > > >will be > > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the >future, > > > > >> > beginning on > > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See >you > > >then. > > > > >> > Matt > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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----Original Message Follows---- From: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> To: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> Subject: Pacifica Campaign Update Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:37:17 -0400 To: Pacifica Campaign Supporters From: Juan Gonzalez Date: July 3, 2001 Update on: 1) The pressure campaign against the Pacifica Board 2) Recent agent provocateur-type break-ins 3) Status of a possible negotiated settlement Our campaign to take back Pacifica continues to move forward. Since my last update to you three weeks ago, we have kept up the pressure on the group of hijackers who remain on the board, while we wait to see the results of any negotiations between them and representatives of the three California lawsuits. In New York City, we have worked with Concerned Friends of WBAI (http://www.wbaiaction.org/) and Community for Progressive Radio (CPR) to organize weekly pickets outside the office/home of board member Andrea Cisco, and some of us have talked with Cisco and urged her to resign. In Houston, free speech activists are picketing and protesting renegade Pacifica board member Valrie Chambers. Pacifica reform activists in Los Angeles, San Francisco and throughout the country have kept up enormous pressure on the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) to get Pacifica board vice-chair and NAHB official Ken Ford to resign. We are planning a National Day of Action on the NAHB for July 10, 2001. Since there are 800 chapters of NAHB around the country, there is probably one in your area where you can organize a protest. To get more information, call our office at 1-800-797-6229. This is an important day of action in defense of free speech. The NAHB has threatened legal action against a web site through which listeners have sent more than 800,000 protest emails and faxes. "This is one more case of the people who took over our free-speech radio network trying to stifle the speech of others," said Steve Freedkin, operator of the Progressive Portal web site (http://www.progressiveportal.org) which has coordinated the letter writing campaign. Previously, Pacifica threatened several other protest sites with lawsuits, but it relented in the face of nationwide outrage. NAHB pressure against Progressive Portal's web hosting service temporarily forced Freedkin to stop the letters. But he idenfitied an alternative host and the letter-writing has resumed without interruption. Meanwhile, Freedkin is supported by the Public Citizen Litigation Group of Washington, DC. "Public Citizen is concerned that the attempts by Pacifica and NAHB to silence their critics could have a chilling effect on Internet activism," said Paul Levy, an attorney with Public Citizen. The NAHB's Ken Ford is especially important now because he is acting chairman of the board since the resignation of Pacifica Chair David Acosta. Ford is also the one who has threatened to bring in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to investigate Pacifica activists who utilize their constitutional rights of free speech to complain to board members about their policies. Any of you who have received such threats from Ford, should not worry. Merely calling a board member or sending an e-mail to someone whose actions you oppose is not an illegal act in the United States -- at least not yet. As we have repeatedly said, you should be polite and respectful in all communications to Ford and his crew, and should refrain from any threats in any form. We abhor and condemn racial, ethnic or sexist slurs of any kind. We urge you to join efforts in your city to keep pressure on the remaining hijackers, including Bob Farrell in Los Angeles and Wendell Johns, Bert Lee and John Murdock in Washington, DC. Since they hold a bare 7-5 majority on the board now, the resignation of three more would signal an outright victory for our movement. For information on these board members, visit http://www.pacificacampaign.org. Agent Provocateur Activities In a bizarre and disturbing development, vandals and thieves trashed a non-profit arts center in Long Island, New York, just hours after it hosted a Free Pacifica event on June 30. The burglars stole both the box office safe and a larger upstairs safe that contained approximately $2,500 in cash. Luckily, neither safe contained the proceeds raised by Saturday's event, according to cinema co-founder Vic Skolnick. But the burglars caused extensive damage to the theater's walls, locks, and new computer equipment. The culprits, whom police suspect hid in the building until after closing, also destroyed the reel of "Himalaya," a Tibetan-language film, worth more than $4,000. Clearly, this was no ordinary burglary. The culprits also left behind spray-painted slogans on the walls saying: "Stop Supporting WBAI," "No More WBAI $," and "No More WBAI Broadcasting Here." The obvious intent of this act was to discredit our movement and to sow confusion and division among the ranks of our supporters. For more info, see The New York Times article at http://www.pacificacampaign.org Amazingly, over the same weekend WBAI producer Gary Null, who is in the midst of broadcasting a series of interviews on the Pacifica crisis that for the first time presents both sides of the conflict, also reported a break-in at his residence. Nothing of value was apparently stolen, but Gary reports that some files were taken. Could these attacks just be a coincidence? Or could they be the beginning of an agent provocateur campaign aimed at subverting our movement? Many of us who are old enough to remember the FBI�s COINTELPRO can hazard an educated guess. The Pacifica Campaign extends our solidarity to both the Cinema Arts Center and Gary Null. At the same time we urge the Pacifica reform community to be on the lookout for disruptive or irrational acts that might tarnish the movement's image. Make sure that your demonstrations or protest activities have a legal observer and be sure to have a video recorder present. Despite these acts, our movement is gaining strength with each day that passes. Last week, for example, the 11-member executive committee of the National Writers Union (NWU) voted to support both the stringer strike against the Pacifica Network News (PNN) and the Pacifica Campaign's nationwide boycott of the network. The NWU, the only labor union in the country for freelance writers, has more than 7,000 members in 17 local chapters nationwide. We�ve also been getting important media coverage in the national press. National Public Radio (NPR) reported on the race baiting at Pacifica station WBAI in New York. You can listen for yourselves at http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=6%2F21%2F2001&PrgID=3 "We�re talking here today about the European psychological warfare against Africans. And that�s what the whole thing is about," WBAI interim general manager Utrice Leid was heard saying on NPR. "I need you stalwart soldiers out there � This is a call to arms. I told you it�s a war." This kind of poisonous rhetoric has come to define the "new" WBAI where race baiting, misogyny, rightwing militia propaganda, and anti-Semitism now rear their ugly heads. What Happened to Settlement Talks with Pacifica? We are hopeful that the board "majority" has finally recognized it cannot win and is serious about a possible negotiated settlement. From what we understand, Pacifica attorney Daly Temchine made an initial offer on Monday, June 18, to lawyers for the three lawsuits -- the listeners' lawsuit, the dissident board members' lawsuit, and the local advisory boards' lawsuit. That offer involved a power-sharing structure between both sides that was immediately rejected. But that was only a starting offer from Pacifica. Since then, the principals in the three lawsuits have been seeking input from the overall Pacifica reform movement and reportedly have been preparing a counter-offer. At the same time, they have requested answers to specific questions about the financial state of the network before agreeing to enter any full-scale discussions. They want to be sure that the hijackers have not looted the assets of the network on their way out the door. As you might expect, the pace of these preparations for negotiations have been slow. Litigants are scattered around the country, and each group of litigants has a different idea of how they should proceed. On top of that, various Pacifica reform groups who are not involved in the lawsuits, such as the Pacifica Campaign, Concerned Friends of WBAI, the Coalition for a Democratic Pacifica (CDP), the Pacifica Listeners Unions, etc., have all been offering their own "settlement ideas" to the litigants. It is a complex process and our movement needs to be patient. But we should not become so patient that we allow the Pacifica Board to get a "second wind" so that it decides to keep fighting. There are some clear indications that the current board majority has had enough and that more of its members want "out." It is my opinion -- and this is only an individual opinion -- that the sooner the litigants themselves (not just their lawyers) move toward round-the-clock talks, the better off our movement will be. Preferably, that should occur within the next few weeks. No one can know for sure how serious the board is about relinquishing its power until there are face-to-face talks. Remember, we are now heading into the dog days of summer. By the end of July and beginning of August, activity on all sides will diminish considerably. Many people will be forced to take vacations or fulfill family commitments, which is only natural. If the litigants do not make an all-out attempt at settlement talks soon, they may find themselves dragging into September and October before any talks begin. That will mean several more months of the network being in disarray, several more months for the network's managers to reconfigure the five stations in their own image, several more months of continued harassment of Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman, of more bannings and firings -- in short, several more months of horrendous damage to the network we all love.. This past weekend, for example, the station managers and top staff met secretly in a New York City hotel. With the board in disarray and the network racking up huge financial losses from the boycott, the hijackers dare not even call an official board meeting for fear of the massive listener protests that will greet them. Still, free speech activists managed to raid the Pacifica execs meeting in the swank Millenium Hilton Hotel in downtown Manhattan on June 28, calling for WBAI manager Utrice Leid�s removal. In this climate, however, executive director Bessie Wash and station managers Utrice Leid, Mark Schubb in Los Angeles, and Garland Ganter in Houston have a freer hand than normal to act as an autonomous coalition of warlords over their individual stations. Each day that passes, they make more programming changes and become more emboldened in their determination to resist democratic reform. We in the mass movement must redouble our pressure on the board members while we wait for the litigants to act on Pacifica's offer of negotiations. Even one more resignation prior to the start of any talks would be an enormous psychological boost to our side. Let's work to get that one. Finally, thanks again for your enormous participation in this historic movement. We are closer to victory than we have ever been. 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1. you are lying about Curtis' track record. 2. "your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding >the entire community is now coming full circle." is what I would call a slanderous, allbeit confused, statement about me. 3. Your acting like an asshole & I'm getting sick of this shit. You don't express a goddamed ounce of interest in truly finding unity, just shoving your self-righteous dogmatism down peoples throats. So, as far a I'm concerned, you can fuck off about U&S till you "wake up", cause you obviously haven't sorted out the role of the newspaper as a collective organizer, as I hear your last stellar performance at Kimako's would attest. Maybe you want to call AB for another meeting on my behalf. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:19:05 -0400 REPUBLICAN is what curtis is (sigh). i have the articles and quotes from skunk soaries speaking in public back when potts got got and skunk was quoting malcolm, now he's black imperialist #1 for NJ. my attempts to build unity have nothing to do with republicans, how bout yours? matt, you go from calling my statements lies to accusing me of slandering people - rather why don't you just keep quite and let the truth be comprehended for what it is. nobody wants your answers, what we need from you is to organize to bury the republicans. where are the articles for U&S with all your time to defend republicans? why isn't the newspaper your highest priority? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:19:33 > >It's times like this that the internet & e-group thang becomes dangerous. >I >mean, do I take this shit seriously and strangle my monitor as the public >debate gets dragged down once again into knee deep vitriol, insults and >slander. Do I take the gloves off & give this post the back of my hand? >Or >do I just scratch my head and wonder what the hell this guy is thinking (& >what this has to do with unity building, or anything remotely constructive, >let alone principled debate from a *communist*), while trying to remember >that he's actually my blood, even if he chooses to forget...I'm running out >of answers, folks. > >(PS if I thought it would matter for a second to the 2-3 people who think >Curtis is an imperialist (sigh), I would make the effort to bust out my >home >videos of him speaking in public.) > >Yours,or not- Matt > > >Joe wrote: > >don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can produce >my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why you >are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a beans >papi. > >further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one >advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? > >your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding >the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? what >shall we learn? > >further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i do >to >facilitate putting out the issue? > >joe > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > > > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe >is > >unequivically false. -Matt > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > > > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he >has > >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and >will > >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that > >prove > >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... > >bout them apples?? > > > >shank schundler! > >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister > >ford!! > > > >the streets are watching -- > >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick > >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, > >register voters, promote greasy, > >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 > >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the > > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. > > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come >on, > > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you > > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't > > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported > > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we >known > > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright > > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages >to > > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive > > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right >wing > > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > > >effectively after the election. > > > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of > > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > > > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported > > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem > > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using > > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I > > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque > > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about >unity. > > > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without >unity, > > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations > > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its >personal > > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you > > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' > > >with you. > > > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united > > >front. > > > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. > > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. > > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best > > >to alienate everyone else. > > > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > > >revolutionary > > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the > > >expulsion > > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in >the > > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of >the > > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, > > >there has > > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > > >through the > > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was >led > > >by BOL. > > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through >the > > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the >outreach > > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the >losing > >%. > > > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get > >involved? > > > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. > >currently > > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on >public > > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions >on > > >public > > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > > >council. how > > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > > > 000000 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 000000 > > > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. > >Matthew > > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class > >with > > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. > >I've > > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke >with > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > > >> > > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to > >listen. > > > > >> > > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform >was > > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that >is, > > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of >working > > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on >continued > > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in >our > > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the >NBPC, > > >etc. > > > > >> > > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > > >> > > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to > >represent > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think >my > > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so >many > > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong >and > >my > > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on >the > > > > >>campaign experience. > > > > >> > > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet > >know > > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that > >deserves > > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other > >night, > > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in >which > > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships >with > > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > > >> > > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, >ignores > >the > > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the >political > > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the > >campaign > > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the >working > > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for > >pro-democratic > > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. >Any > > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. >But > > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in >Newark. > > > > >> > > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it >certainly > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who >contend > >that > > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign > >was > > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without >detailed > > > > >>investigation. > > > > >> > > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to >to > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but >opportunist > > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of > >revolutionary > > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed > >with > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > > >> > > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current >trends > >in > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible >in > > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and > >progressive > > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be >an > > > > >>architect > > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point >is > >that > > > > >>we need > > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why > >the > > > > >>campaign > > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold > > >grassroots > > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United > > >Nations > > > > >>for a > > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > > >together, > > > > >>I asked > > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > > > >>organization. > > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you > >can > > > > >>join what > > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > > > >>organizing, > > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > > >*not* the > > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a >dominant > > > > >>tendancy, or > > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it > >doesn't > > > > >>mean > > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > > > >>rescheduled > > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > > > >>historically > > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with > >working > > > > >>class > > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > > >compromised, > > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" >like > >so > > > > >>many of > > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that >the > > > > >>W.C. will > > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > > >>technicians to > > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > > >actual United > > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means > >necessary. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -Matt > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the > >Essence > > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political > > >leaders > > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > > >politics as > > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even >law). > > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he > >explained, > >a > > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, >empty-headedly > > > > >> > political." > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe > > >that to > > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. > >While > > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board >of > > >ed and > > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > > >permissible to > > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which > >are > > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some > >other > > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary > >asking > > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict > >(Can't > > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the >NBPC > > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all > >rent > > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of > >return > > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > > >improvements > > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > > >democratically- > > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB >has > >just > > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > > >Shouldn't the > > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the > >rent > > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > > >technical > > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > > >credibility > > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of > > >English > > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many >of > >the > > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other >egroup). > > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > > >enhanced by > > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the > >campaign's > > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in >electoral > > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > > >understands > > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating >in, > > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can > >mouth > > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the >progressive > > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > > >> > > Kris- > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though >not > > > > >> > intended to be > > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > > > >> > accurately & point > > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been > > >dominated > > > > >> > by the > > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the >working > > >class > > > > >> > community > > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have >been > > >made > > > > >> > against > > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. >but > > >NJFO > > > > >> > has been > > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC >had > >made > > > > >> > inroads > > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of > > >students & > > > > >> > > graduates. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that > >advocating > > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've > >consistantly > > > > >> > criticized > > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and > >'murder-mouth' > > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > > >experiences > > > > >> > because > > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree > > >that it > > > > >> > is time > > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep > > >beating > > > > >> > the same > > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel >that > > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* > > >based on > > > > >> > the hard > > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU > >shell...in > > > > >> > other words, > > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue >*still* > > >is the > > > > >> > nature of > > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a > >United > > > > >> > Front. (I > > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely >what > > >are the > > > > >> > points > > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we >disagree > > >on in > > > > >> > substance > > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't > > >get any > > > > >> > closer to > > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or >slander > >you > > > > >> > because > > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the > >heart > > > > >> > because it > > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with > >you. > >I > > > > >> > think we > > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare >them > >to > > > > >> > those of > > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the ># > >of > > > > >> > postings to > > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too >preoccupied > > >with > > > > >> > my > > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a > >United > > > > >> > Front; that > > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a > > >position > > > > >> > against > > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > > >Together") to > > > > >> > appease > > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > > >generally > > > > >> > abandoning > > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that > >this > > > > >> > tendency of > > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of > > >trial and > > > > >> > error > > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a >'pure' > > >space > > > > >> > for some > > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history >together. > > > It's > > > > >> > hard to > > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot > > >will be > > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the >future, > > > > >> > beginning on > > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See >you > > >then. > > > > >> > Matt > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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where are the articles for u&s? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Pacifica Campaign Update >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:19:15 > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> >To: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> >Subject: Pacifica Campaign Update >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:37:17 -0400 > >To: Pacifica Campaign Supporters >From: Juan Gonzalez >Date: July 3, 2001 > >Update on: >1) The pressure campaign against the Pacifica Board >2) Recent agent provocateur-type break-ins >3) Status of a possible negotiated settlement > >Our campaign to take back Pacifica continues to move forward. > >Since my last update to you three weeks ago, we have kept up the pressure >on >the group of hijackers who remain on the board, while we wait to see the >results of any negotiations between them and representatives of the three >California lawsuits. > >In New York City, we have worked with Concerned Friends of WBAI >(http://www.wbaiaction.org/) and Community for Progressive Radio (CPR) to >organize weekly pickets outside the office/home of board member Andrea >Cisco, and some of us have talked with Cisco and urged her to resign. In >Houston, free speech activists are picketing and protesting renegade >Pacifica board member Valrie Chambers. Pacifica reform activists in Los >Angeles, San Francisco and throughout the country have kept up enormous >pressure on the National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) to get >Pacifica >board vice-chair and NAHB official Ken Ford to resign. > >We are planning a National Day of Action on the NAHB for July 10, 2001. >Since there are 800 chapters of NAHB around the country, there is probably >one in your area where you can organize a protest. To get more information, >call our office at 1-800-797-6229. > >This is an important day of action in defense of free speech. The NAHB has >threatened legal action against a web site through which listeners have >sent >more than 800,000 protest emails and faxes. "This is one more case of the >people who took over our free-speech radio network trying to stifle the >speech of others," said Steve Freedkin, operator of the Progressive Portal >web site (http://www.progressiveportal.org) which has coordinated the >letter >writing campaign. Previously, Pacifica threatened several other protest >sites with lawsuits, but it relented in the face of nationwide outrage. > >NAHB pressure against Progressive Portal's web hosting service temporarily >forced Freedkin to stop the letters. But he idenfitied an alternative host >and the letter-writing has resumed without interruption. Meanwhile, >Freedkin >is supported by the Public Citizen Litigation Group of Washington, DC. >"Public Citizen is concerned that the attempts by Pacifica and NAHB to >silence their critics could have a chilling effect on Internet activism," >said Paul Levy, an attorney with Public Citizen. > >The NAHB's Ken Ford is especially important now because he is acting >chairman of the board since the resignation of Pacifica Chair David Acosta. >Ford is also the one who has threatened to bring in the Federal Bureau of >Investigation (FBI) to investigate Pacifica activists who utilize their >constitutional rights of free speech to complain to board members about >their policies. Any of you who have received such threats from Ford, should >not worry. Merely calling a board member or sending an e-mail to someone >whose actions you oppose is not an illegal act in the United States -- at >least not yet. As we have repeatedly said, you should be polite and >respectful in all communications to Ford and his crew, and should refrain >from any threats in any form. We abhor and condemn racial, ethnic or sexist >slurs of any kind. > >We urge you to join efforts in your city to keep pressure on the remaining >hijackers, including Bob Farrell in Los Angeles and Wendell Johns, Bert Lee >and John Murdock in Washington, DC. Since they hold a bare 7-5 majority on >the board now, the resignation of three more would signal an outright >victory for our movement. For information on these board members, visit >http://www.pacificacampaign.org. > > >Agent Provocateur Activities > >In a bizarre and disturbing development, vandals and thieves trashed a >non-profit arts center in Long Island, New York, just hours after it hosted >a Free Pacifica event on June 30. The burglars stole both the box office >safe and a larger upstairs safe that contained approximately $2,500 in >cash. >Luckily, neither safe contained the proceeds raised by Saturday's event, >according to cinema co-founder Vic Skolnick. But the burglars caused >extensive damage to the theater's walls, locks, and new computer equipment. >The culprits, whom police suspect hid in the building until after closing, >also destroyed the reel of "Himalaya," a Tibetan-language film, worth more >than $4,000. > >Clearly, this was no ordinary burglary. The culprits also left behind >spray-painted slogans on the walls saying: "Stop Supporting WBAI," "No More >WBAI $," and "No More WBAI Broadcasting Here." The obvious intent of this >act was to discredit our movement and to sow confusion and division among >the ranks of our supporters. For more info, see The New York Times article >at http://www.pacificacampaign.org > >Amazingly, over the same weekend WBAI producer Gary Null, who is in the >midst of broadcasting a series of interviews on the Pacifica crisis that >for >the first time presents both sides of the conflict, also reported a >break-in >at his residence. Nothing of value was apparently stolen, but Gary reports >that some files were taken. Could these attacks just be a coincidence? Or >could they be the beginning of an agent provocateur campaign aimed at >subverting our movement? Many of us who are old enough to remember the >FBI1s >COINTELPRO can hazard an educated guess. > >The Pacifica Campaign extends our solidarity to both the Cinema Arts Center >and Gary Null. At the same time we urge the Pacifica reform community to be >on the lookout for disruptive or irrational acts that might tarnish the >movement's image. Make sure that your demonstrations or protest activities >have a legal observer and be sure to have a video recorder present. > >Despite these acts, our movement is gaining strength with each day that >passes. Last week, for example, the 11-member executive committee of the >National Writers Union (NWU) voted to support both the stringer strike >against the Pacifica Network News (PNN) and the Pacifica Campaign's >nationwide boycott of the network. The NWU, the only labor union in the >country for freelance writers, has more than 7,000 members in 17 local >chapters nationwide. > >We1ve also been getting important media coverage in the national press. >National Public Radio (NPR) reported on the race baiting at Pacifica >station >WBAI in New York. You can listen for yourselves at >http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=6%2F21%2F2001&PrgID=3 > >"We1re talking here today about the European psychological warfare against >Africans. And that1s what the whole thing is about," WBAI interim general >manager Utrice Leid was heard saying on NPR. "I need you stalwart soldiers >out there S This is a call to arms. I told you it1s a war." This kind of >poisonous rhetoric has come to define the "new" WBAI where race baiting, >misogyny, rightwing militia propaganda, and anti-Semitism now rear their >ugly heads. > > >What Happened to Settlement Talks with Pacifica? > >We are hopeful that the board "majority" has finally recognized it cannot >win and is serious about a possible negotiated settlement. From what we >understand, Pacifica attorney Daly Temchine made an initial offer on >Monday, >June 18, to lawyers for the three lawsuits -- the listeners' lawsuit, the >dissident board members' lawsuit, and the local advisory boards' lawsuit. >That offer involved a power-sharing structure between both sides that was >immediately rejected. But that was only a starting offer from Pacifica. > >Since then, the principals in the three lawsuits have been seeking input >from the overall Pacifica reform movement and reportedly have been >preparing >a counter-offer. At the same time, they have requested answers to specific >questions about the financial state of the network before agreeing to enter >any full-scale discussions. They want to be sure that the hijackers have >not >looted the assets of the network on their way out the door. > >As you might expect, the pace of these preparations for negotiations have >been slow. Litigants are scattered around the country, and each group of >litigants has a different idea of how they should proceed. On top of that, >various Pacifica reform groups who are not involved in the lawsuits, such >as >the Pacifica Campaign, Concerned Friends of WBAI, the Coalition for a >Democratic Pacifica (CDP), the Pacifica Listeners Unions, etc., have all >been offering their own "settlement ideas" to the litigants. It is a >complex >process and our movement needs to be patient. But we should not become so >patient that we allow the Pacifica Board to get a "second wind" so that it >decides to keep fighting. There are some clear indications that the current >board majority has had enough and that more of its members want "out." > >It is my opinion -- and this is only an individual opinion -- that the >sooner the litigants themselves (not just their lawyers) move toward >round-the-clock talks, the better off our movement will be. Preferably, >that >should occur within the next few weeks. No one can know for sure how >serious >the board is about relinquishing its power until there are face-to-face >talks. Remember, we are now heading into the dog days of summer. By the end >of July and beginning of August, activity on all sides will diminish >considerably. Many people will be forced to take vacations or fulfill >family >commitments, which is only natural. > >If the litigants do not make an all-out attempt at settlement talks soon, >they may find themselves dragging into September and October before any >talks begin. That will mean several more months of the network being in >disarray, several more months for the network's managers to reconfigure the >five stations in their own image, several more months of continued >harassment of Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman, of more bannings and firings >-- in short, several more months of horrendous damage to the network we all >love.. > >This past weekend, for example, the station managers and top staff met >secretly in a New York City hotel. With the board in disarray and the >network racking up huge financial losses from the boycott, the hijackers >dare not even call an official board meeting for fear of the massive >listener protests that will greet them. Still, free speech activists >managed >to raid the Pacifica execs meeting in the swank Millenium Hilton Hotel in >downtown Manhattan on June 28, calling for WBAI manager Utrice Leid1s >removal. > >In this climate, however, executive director Bessie Wash and station >managers Utrice Leid, Mark Schubb in Los Angeles, and Garland Ganter in >Houston have a freer hand than normal to act as an autonomous coalition of >warlords over their individual stations. Each day that passes, they make >more programming changes and become more emboldened in their determination >to resist democratic reform. > >We in the mass movement must redouble our pressure on the board members >while we wait for the litigants to act on Pacifica's offer of negotiations. >Even one more resignation prior to the start of any talks would be an >enormous psychological boost to our side. Let's work to get that one. >Finally, thanks again for your enormous participation in this historic >movement. We are closer to victory than we have ever been. > >Hasta La Victoria, > >Juan Gonzalez > > >******************************************* >Tax deductible contributions to support the work of the Pacifica Campaign >may be made to our fiscal sponsor, a 501 (c) (3) organization. Make checks >payable to: Institute for Media Analysis-Pacifica Campaign. Mail to: > >The Pacifica Campaign >51 MacDougal St., #80 >New York, NY 10012 > >Check out our web site at http://www.pacificacampaign.org >M > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
What to the Slave is the Fourth of July? -Fredrick Douglass
Mr. President, Friends and Fellow Citizens: He who could address this
audience without a quailing sensation, has stronger nerves than I have. I do
not remember ever to have appeared as a speaker before any assembly more
shrinkingly, nor with greater distrust of my ability, than I do this day. A
feeling has crept over me, quite unfavorable to the exercise of my limited
powers of speech. The task before me is one which requires much previous
thought and study for its proper performance. I know that apologies of this
sort are generally considered flat and unmeaning. I trust, however, that
mine will not be so considered. Should I seem at ease, my appearance would
much misrepresent me. The little experience I have had in addressing public
meetings, in country school houses, avails me nothing on the present
occasion.
The papers and placards say, that I am to deliver a 4th [of] July oration.
This certainly sounds large, and out of the common way, for it is true that
I have often had the privilege to speak in this beautiful Hall, and to
address many who now honor me with their presence. But neither their
familiar faces, nor the perfect gage I think I have of Corinthian Hall,
seems to free me from embarrassment.
The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, the distance between this platform and
the slave plantation, from which I escaped, is considerable - and the
difficulties to be overcome in getting from the latter to the former, are by
no means slight. That I am here to-day is, to me, a matter of astonishment
as well as of gratitude. You will not, therefore, be surprised, if in what I
have to say. I evince no elaborate preparation, nor grace my speech with
any high sounding exordium.
With little experience and with less learning, I have been able to throw
my thoughts hastily and imperfectly together; and trusting to your patient
and generous indulgence, I will proceed to lay them before you.
"May [the reformer]
not hope that high
lessons of wisdom,
of justice and of
truth, will yet give
direction to her
destiny? Were the
nation older, the
patriot's heart
might be sadder,
and the reformer's
brow heavier. . . .
There is
consolation in the
thought that
America is young."
This, for the purpose of this celebration, is the 4th of July. It is the
birthday of your National Independence, and of your political freedom. This,
to you, is what the Passover was to the emancipated people of God. It
carries your minds back to the day, and to the act of your great
deliverance; and to the signs, and to the wonders, associated with that act,
and that day. This celebration also marks the beginning of another year of
your national life; and reminds you that the Republic of America is now 76
years old. I am glad, fellow-citizens, that your nation is so young.
Seventy-six years, though a good old age for a man, is but a mere speck in
the life of a nation. Three score years and ten is the allotted time for
individual men; but nations number their years by thousands. According to
this fact, you are, even now, only in the beginning of your national career,
still lingering in the period of childhood. I repeat, I am glad this is so.
There is hope in the thought, and hope is much needed, under the dark clouds
which lower above the horizon. The eye of the reformer is met with angry
flashes, portending disastrous times; but his heart may well beat lighter at
the thought that America is young, and that she is still in the impressible
stage of her existence. May he not hope that high lessons of wisdom, of
justice and of truth, will yet give direction to her destiny? Were the
nation older, the patriot's heart might be sadder, and the reformer's brow
heavier. Its future might be shrouded in gloom, and the hope of its prophets
go out in sorrow. There is consolation in the thought that America is young.
Great streams are not easily turned from channels, worn deep in the course
of ages. They may sometimes rise in quiet and stately majesty, and inundate
the land, refreshing and fertilizing the earth with their mysterious
properties. They may also rise in wrath and fury, and bear away, on their
angry waves, the accumulated wealth of years of toil and hardship. They,
however, gradually flow back to the same old channel, and flow on as
serenely as ever. But, while the river may not be turned aside, it may dry
up, and leave nothing behind but the withered branch, and the unsightly
rock, to howl in the abyss-sweeping wind, the sad tale of departed glory.
As with rivers so with nations.
Fellow-citizens, I shall not presume to dwell at length on the
associations that cluster about this day. The simple story of it is that, 76
years ago, the people of this country were British subjects. The style and
title of your "sovereign people" (in which you now glory) was not then born.
You were under the British Crown . Your fathers esteemed the English
Government as the home government; and England as the fatherland. This home
government, you know, although a considerable distance from your home, did,
in the exercise of its parental prerogatives, impose upon its colonial
children, such restraints, burdens and limitations, as, in its mature
judgement, it deemed wise, right and proper.
But, your fathers, who had not adopted the fashionable idea of this day,
of the infallibility of government, and the absolute character of its acts,
presumed to differ from the home government in respect to the wisdom and the
justice of some of those burdens and restraints. They went so far in their
excitement as to pronounce the measures of government unjust, unreasonable,
and oppressive, and altogether such as ought not to be quietly submitted to.
I scarcely need say, fellow-citizens, that my opinion of those measures
fully accords with that of your fathers. Such a declaration of agreement on
my part would not be worth much to anybody. It would, certainly, prove
nothing, as to what part I might have taken, had I lived during the great
controversy of 1776. To say now that America was right, and England wrong,
is exceedingly easy. Everybody can say it; the dastard, not less than the
noble brave, can flippantly discant on the tyranny of England towards the
American Colonies. It is fashionable to do so; but there was a time when to
pronounce against England, and in favor of the cause of the colonies, tried
men's souls. They who did so were ccounted in their day, plotters of
mischief, agitators and rebels, dangerous men. To side with the right,
against the wrong, with the weak against the strong, and with the oppressed
against the oppressor! here lies the merit, and the one which, of all
others, seems unfashionable in our day. The cause of liberty may be stabbed
by the men who glory in the deeds of your fathers. But, to proceed.
Feeling themselves harshly and unjustly treated by the home government,
your fathers, like men of honesty, and men of spirit, earnestly sought
redress. They petitioned and remonstrated; they did so in a decorous,
respectful, and loyal manner. Their conduct was wholly unexceptionable.
This, however, did not answer the purpose. They saw themselves treated with
sovereign indifference, coldness and scorn. Yet they persevered. They were
not the men to look back.
As the sheet anchor takes a firmer hold, when the ship is tossed by the
storm, so did the cause of your fathers grow stronger, as it breasted the
chilling blasts of kingly displeasure. The greatest and best of British
statesmen admitted its justice, and the loftiest eloquence of the British
Senate came to its support. But, with that blindness which seems to be the
unvarying characteristic of tyrants, since Pharaoh and his hosts were
drowned in the Red Sea, the British Government persisted in the exactions
complained of.
The madness of this course, we believe, is admitted now, even by England;
but we fear the lesson is wholly lost on our present rulers.
Oppression makes a wise man mad. Your fathers were wise men, and if they
did not go mad, they became restive under this treatment. They felt
themselves the victims of grievous wrongs, wholly incurable in their
colonial capacity. With brave men there is always a remedy for oppression.
Just here, the idea of a total separation of the colonies from the crown was
born! It was a startling idea, much more so, than we, at this distance of
time, regard it. The timid and the prudent (as has been intimated) of that
day, were, of course, shocked and alarmed by it.
Such people lived then, had lived before, and will, probably, ever have a
place on this planet; and their course, in respect to any great change, (no
matter how great the good to be attained, or the wrong to be redressed by
it), may be calculated with as much precision as can be the course of the
stars. They hate all changes, but silver, gold and copper change! Of this
sort of change they are always strongly in favor.
These people were called tories in the days of your fathers; and the
appellation, probably, conveyed the same idea that is meant by a more
modern, though a somewhat less euphonious term, which we often find in our
papers, applied to some of our old politicians.
Their opposition to the then dangerous thought was earnest and powerful;
but, amid all their terror and affrighted vociferations against it, the
alarming and revolutionary idea moved on, and the country with it.
On the 2d of July, 1776, the old Continental Congress, to the dismay of
the lovers of ease, and the worshipers of property, clothed that dreadful
idea with all the authority of national sanction. They did so in the form of
a resolution; and as we seldom hit upon resolutions, drawn up in our day,
whose transparency is at all equal to this, it may refresh your minds and
help my story if I read it.
"Resolved, That these united colonies are, and of right, ought to be free
and Independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the
British Crown; and that all political connection between them and the State
of Great Britain is, and ought to be, dissolved."
Citizens, your fathers made good that resolution. They succeeded; and to-day
you reap the fruits of their success. The freedom gained is yours; and you,
therefore, may properly celebrate this anniversary. The 4th of July is the
first great fact in your nation's history - the very ring-bolt in the chain
of your yet undeveloped destiny.
Pride and patriotism, not less than gratitude, prompt you to celebrate and
to hold it in perpetual remembrance. I have said that the Declaration of
Independence is the ring-bolt to the chain of your nation's destiny; so,
indeed, I regard it. The principles contained in that instrument are saving
principles. Stand by those principles, be true to them on all occasions, in
all places, against all foes, and at whatever cost.
From the round top of your ship of state, dark and threatening clouds may be
seen. Heavy billows, like mountains in the distance, disclose to the leeward
huge forms of flinty rocks! That bolt drawn, that chain broken, and all is
lost. Cling to this day - cling to it, and to its principles, with the grasp
of a storm-tossed mariner to a spar at midnight.
The coming into being of a nation, in any circumstances, is an interesting
event. But, besides general considerations, there were peculiar
circumstances which make the advent of this republic an event of special
attractiveness.
The whole scene, as I look back to it, was simple, dignified and sublime.
The population of the country, at the time, stood at the insignificant
number of three millions. The country was poor in the munitions of war. The
population was weak and scattered, and the country a wilderness unsubdued.
There were then no means of concert and combination, such as exist now.
Neither steam nor lightning had then been reduced to order and discipline.
From the Potomac to the Delaware was a journey of many days. Under these,
and innumerable other disadvantages, your fathers declared for liberty and
independence and triumphed.
Fellow Citizens, I am not wanting in respect for the fathers of this
republic. The signers of the Declaration of Independence were brave men.
They were great men too - great enough to give fame to a great age. It does
not often happen to a nation to raise, at one time, such a number of truly
great men. The point from which I am compelled to view them is not,
certainly, the most favorable; and yet I cannot contemplate their great
deeds with less than admiration. They were statesmen, patriots and heroes,
and for the good they did, and the principles they contended for, I will
unite with you to honor their memory.
They loved their country better than their own private interests; and,
though this is not the highest form of human excellence, all will concede
that it is a rare virtue, and that when it is exhibited, it ought to
command respect. He who will, intelligently, lay down his life for his
country, is a man whom it is not in human nature to despise. Your fathers
staked their lives,
their fortunes, and their sacred honor, on the cause of their country. In
their admiration of liberty, they lost sight of all other interests.
They were peace men; but they preferred revolution to peaceful submission
to bondage. They were quiet men; but they did not shrink from agitating
against oppression. They showed forbearance; but that they knew its limits.
They believed in order; but not in the order of tyranny. With them, nothing
was "settled" that was not right. With them, justice, liberty and humanity
were "final;" not slavery and oppression. You may well cherish the memory of
such men. They were great in their day and generation. Their solid manhood
stands out the more as we contrast it with these degenerate times.
How circumspect, exact and proportionate were all their movements! How
unlike the politicians of an hour! Their statesmanship looked beyond the
passing moment, and stretched away in strength into the distant future. They
seized upon eternal principles, and set a glorious example in their defence.
Mark them!
Fully appreciating the hardship to be encountered, firmly believing in the
right of their cause, honorably inviting the scrutiny of an on-looking
world, reverently appealing to heaven to attest their sincerity, soundly
comprehending the solemn responsibility they were about to assume, wisely
measuring the terrible odds against them, your fathers, the fathers of this
republic, did, most deliberately, under the inspiration of a glorious
patriotism, and with a sublime faith in the great principles of justice and
freedom, lay deep the corner-stone of the national superstructure, which has
risen and still rises in grandeur around you.
Of this fundamental work, this day is the anniversary. Our eyes are met
with demonstrations of joyous enthusiasm. Banners and pennants wave
exultingly on the breeze. The din of business, too, is hushed. Even Mammon
seems to have quitted his grasp on this day. The ear-piercing fife and the
stirring drum unite their accents with the ascending peal of a thousand
church bells. Prayers are made, hymns are sung, and sermons are preached in
honor of this day; while the quick martial tramp of a great and
multitudinous nation, echoed back by all the hills, valleys and mountains of
a vast continent, bespeak the occasion one of thrilling and universal
interests nation's jubilee.
Friends and citizens, I need not enter further into the causes which led
to this anniversary. Many of you understand them better than I do. You could
instruct me in regard to them. That is a branch of knowledge in which you
feel, perhaps, a much deeper interest than your speaker. The causes which
led to the separation of the colonies from the British crown have never
lacked for a tongue. They have all been taught in your common schools,
narrated at your firesides, unfolded from your pulpits, and thundered from
your legislative halls, and are as familiar to you as household words. They
form the staple of your national poetry and eloquence.
I remember, also, that, as a people, Americans are remarkably familiar
with all facts which make in their own favor. This is esteemed by some as a
national trait - perhaps a national weakness. It is a fact, that whatever
makes for the wealth or for the reputation of Americans, and can be had
cheap! will be found by Americans. I shall not be charged with slandering
Americans, if I say I think the American side of any question may be safely
left in American hands.
I leave, therefore, the great deeds of your fathers to other gentlemen
whose claim to have been regularly descended will be less likely to be
disputed than mine!
Death to the Klan!
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----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Davis" <em4jim@...> Reply-To: em4jim@... Subject: If you never read anything... Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:25:17 -0700 ... else about what's happening in Israel/Palestine, read this. If you don't feel anything, you're probably already dead. -- --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 20:02:08 From: "jamal al-din talib" <j_a_m_a_l@...> To: em4jim@... >From: "Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> >To: Khattab23@..., Asma1182@..., DiYa785x@..., >NYzFinEsTPaK@..., HHHaseeb2k@..., Duaagoe@..., >j_a_m_a_l@..., millz3@..., Pakish33@..., >sebeen1021@..., taufiq224@... >Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] FW: One Jew Speaks out against what the zionist >are doing!!! (A m ust read) >Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 18:38:25 -0000 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Davis" <em4jim@...> Reply-To: em4jim@... Subject: If you never read anything... Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:25:17 -0700 ... else about what's happening in Israel/Palestine, read this. If you don't feel anything, you're probably already dead. Assalamu alaikum, I know there's a lot of updates going around about Palestine, but this really should be read .... >From: "Farooqui, Shayan OTT31C" To: "'islamirc@egroups.com'" Subject: >[ISLAMirc] FW: One Jew Speaks out against what the zionist are doing!!! (A >m ust read) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 07:32:41 +0400 > > > >-----Original Message----- From: Islamic News and Information Network >[mailto:inin@...] Sent: 04 July 2001 01:33 To: inin-net@... >Subject: One Jew Speaks out against what the zionist are doing!!! (A must >read) > > >Assalamu'alaikum > >The local Twin Cities newspaper The Pulse has had several weeks of debate >through letter to the editor in response to a U of M student's report on a >trip to Israeli occupied Palestine. (see the article at: >http://www.pulsetc.com/V5I08/coverstory.html) The letter in this week's >Pulse by Tzaporah Ryter is a thorough and powerful short statement coming >from an American Jew. > >ININ ------------- > >http://www.pulsetc.com/V5I13/news.html Palestine/Israel: Do you know your >ABCs? > >I just finished reading letters to the editor in response to Jennifer >Gulbrandson's cover story "Just Another Day Under Israeli Occupation." Like >some letter writers, I am so upset I do not know where to start. But I will >try to be calm. Rather than escalate the debate, I mean to open it. I >challenge and support the editor to keep this discussion ongoing, despite >the backlash he is receiving. > >I am a Jewish woman with family who lived in Haifa from 10 generations ago, >prior to the Zionist project. I just returned from living in Ramallah, the >West Bank, Occupied Palestine for eight months. I was involved there in >nonviolent demonstrations and acts of grassroots international intervention >and solidarity. In the nonviolent demonstrations in which I participated - >such as dismantling with our bare hands the roadblocks that prevent >thousands of people from accessing vocation, trade, basic services and even >emergency medical treatment - I cannot tell you how many people I saw shot, >wounded and killed. I lost count. > >After the first murder I witnessed of the man standing in front of me, I >grew numb. Then it was just a stream of bodies - the guy with his head >blown off, the little boys so small you don't even need a stretcher for >them, and old women - carried off into ambulances which every single time >were shot at by the Israelis directly on the driver's side of the >windshield. Ambulances turned back at checkpoints. > >Throughout this Intifada/Israeli Siege, what I witnessed was an >overwhelmingly nonviolent struggle within civil society for justice. Every >one of the endless demonstrations I attended began as marches with signs, >banners and chants. The Israelis shot first every single time before any >rocks were thrown. Rocks - thrown at armored jeeps' seldom hit fenders - >stones that are a symbolic way of saying, "We will resist our oppression, >even if you have a tank and I have a rock." > >In fact, the Israeli soldiers even shot at some of our demonstrations when >we were singing "we shall overcome" and no stones were thrown even after >the Israeli soldiers began and continued to shoot us! Every night I went to >sleep to the sound of shells falling on the nearby school for blind >children. I walked to do my shopping past 10-year-old boys with patches >over their eyes. How come all of them in the eye? Accident? That's quite a >sharp-shooting accident. > >The death toll for the Israelis is about 100, the death toll for the >Palestinians about 600. Numbers cannot reflect the losses. The >Pales-tinians also have about 20,000 wounded civilians, some in critical >condition and many permanently disabled while hospitals are being attacked >and medical clinics destroyed. I had to walk through streets of crippled >people, through the human traffic of funerals, which become demonstrations, >which become more funerals, just to get a can of soda. > >And that's just Area A. > >Area A is like a vacation. Don't know what that is? Learn your ABCs. I'll >be happy to help you. Then maybe we can have a conversation. In Areas B and >C - where the majority of people live in villages completely surrounded by >clusters of Israeli settlements such as Ariel, which even within Barak's >generous offer were set to remain permanently, in order to maintain >permanent military bases - life is much worse. The children cannot breathe. >The tear gas day and night being thrown at their windows has damaged their >respiratory systems, maybe irrevocably at this point. I have even tried to >scream at the soldiers pleading, "the children are being taken to the >hospital." But then they shot at me so I ran back inside the house I was >visiting. > >Night and day there are settlers attacking, backed up by soldiers, shooting >into the villages and screaming "Death to the Arabs," burning down >property, even marching into schools in broad daylight and shooting the >kids. The soldiers shot my friend in the middle of the day while he was >standing outside his house bringing the kids inside as the troops stomped >through the village. They threw a stun grenade into his brother's face and >then pointed an M-16 at his head and threatened to shoot anyone who would >try to bring my friend to an emergency medical vehicle. It took 30 minutes >before he was permitted to be taken to a hospital. Now he is paralyzed. > >This is only a partial list of what I have witnessed in the past eight >months. What is happening is called ethnic cleansing. The death toll in >baseball terms may be 100 to 600, but this isn't baseball. The figures do >not describe the conditions of life the Palestinians are living under, >which is a fabric torn from the seams of hell that you cannot imagine >without knowing it firsthand. One side goes out dancing in nightclubs when >it gets dark (a nightclub right next to the Russian compound where >Palestinian detainees are being interrogated and tortured while listening >to people laughing and drinking and dancing). The other side sits in fear >inside their homes or is under forced curfew. I have lived on both sides >and I am not sure the realities are in the same universe. > >This is an army - one of the most powerful in the world - against a >civilian population. This Israeli army has an intact infrastructure and >state and a government capable to give orders to kill - or not to kill. The >Palestinians do not have an intact infrastructure, state or government >capable of telling anyone anything in particular. I will let you in on a >little secret. Not even Chairman Arafat can stop suicide bombers. Only >justice can. And no, Mr. Baehr, of course it is not the collaborators that >are killing the Israelis. > >(Although, as far as shots at night go toward the settlements and >collaborators/Israelis doing it, I can tell you only one inside scoop: The >Israeli settlers chartered several buses and brought children to recently >stand on the roof of Gilo settlement to watch the shelling. The point is, >they had to schedule the occurrence and charter the buses, get it? And if >it was so dangerous to the Israelis, why were they standing on the roof at >the time eating treats?) > >People who have come to understand that violence is the only language the >Israelis reward are killing the Israelis. Thus far they are absolutely >correct. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon called the ceasefire after the suicide >bomber at the mall. The Israelis are rewarding violence. Otherwise, why do >they renew negotiations only after their own death toll is on the rise and >why do they shoot nonviolent protestors? > >Violence is less of a threat to Israel's existence in its present racist >and fascist form than nonviolent public demonstrations and freedom of >statement and the struggle for the exposure of truth, liberation and >democracy and the end to Zionist apartheid. Violence should not be >rewarded. But unfortunately it is - and it will be that way indefinitely >until the international community takes a stand and insists upon >international protection for the Palestinian people. Then, with the >protection of the innocent, with freedom of statement, with the complete >and total withdrawal from the Occupied Territories, can a discussion toward >justice - toward what justice even means begin. > >I will let you in on another secret: the occupation is violence. There can >be no negotiations under violence. When and if we finally reach it, it will >be a long discussion - even prior to any successful or worthwhile >negotiations - since currently even Israeli researchers are censored and >taken to court for daring to publish their findings concerning what really >did occur in the Palestinian massacres of 1947 and 1948. There is a lot to >talk about before signing any deals or even bringing them to the table. > >I hope that those who become defensive of Israel and upset can take a deep >breath and consider, have they ever visited or lived in the West Bank or >Gaza? Jennifer Gulbrandson has. I have. Rather than condemning Gulbrandson, >we should all thank her for bringing back the truth and taking the effort >to inform us and encourage us to think about it. I am sorry if this hurts >some of those who feel for the Jewish people and for their difficult >history. They are my people, too. > >My journey to the truth was very painful. But my people have no right to >kill the Palestinians, steal their land, destroy their communities and >culture and leave them refugees from their homeland. My people have no >right to disregard international law and U.N. resolutions. Our history >isnot the fault of the Palestinians. But the Palestinian history of recent >generations is the fault of my people. After nearly 6,000 years of >experience and survival, I think that my people can find more creative and >ultimately sustainable ways to survive than by becoming murderers and war >criminals or by choosing to be those who defend or support them. > >Tzaporah Ryter Minneapolis > >============================================================================ >==== ININ List Archives Found Here: http://www.egroups.com/messages/inin >============================================================================ >==== TO SUBSCRIBE: To subscribe please e-mail majordomo@... 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i understand the next coalition for justice meeting to be: july 14 - 4:00pm imani church trenton contact joe smith 732.586.5535 for rides/directions from new brunswick area. shank schundler! >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, <njfo@egroups.com>, ><nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com> >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] anti-klan 4th >Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 01:45:32 -0400 > >Yo Joe -- Best to catch the newspapers on Thursday. Lots of media people >there -- TV/newspapers -- congregating around Barrett mostly, with some >interviewing of Daryle and others in the dissenting crowd. P.O.P. held a >news conference on 7/3 in MoTown that went very well according to our >attendees. I'll send you Dave's review of the 7/3 thing. >Barrett was generally drowned out thruout his attempt to talk. Lots of >people in the crowd, 2X - 3X that of last year. >Excellent Hispanic group from Motown was there. Get to Daryle on his view >of >Barrett's self-imposed [?] attack on >his little group of 4-5 people. >By the way, there is an upcoming Coalition for Justice meeting scheduled >for >later in July -- did you get the word on it? I'll send date etc later today >if I can remember to get it again from L Hamm. >Stay safe. >H > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: <njfo@egroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; ><coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:24 PM >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] anti-klan 4th > > > > any reports on the rally today? > > > > what was the deal daryle, anyone? > > > > joe > > _________________________________________________________________X > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
boo fu*in hoo clw,sr. is registered republican since '88 (data: middlesex cty board of elections). do what you want w/ the gloves. now then. peoples' war on the right. cliff >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:19:33 > >It's times like this that the internet & e-group thang becomes dangerous. >I >mean, do I take this shit seriously and strangle my monitor as the public >debate gets dragged down once again into knee deep vitriol, insults and >slander. Do I take the gloves off & give this post the back of my hand? >Or >do I just scratch my head and wonder what the hell this guy is thinking (& >what this has to do with unity building, or anything remotely constructive, >let alone principled debate from a *communist*), while trying to remember >that he's actually my blood, even if he chooses to forget...I'm running out >of answers, folks. > >(PS if I thought it would matter for a second to the 2-3 people who think >Curtis is an imperialist (sigh), I would make the effort to bust out my >home >videos of him speaking in public.) > >Yours,or not- Matt > > >Joe wrote: > >don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can produce >my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why you >are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a beans >papi. > >further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one >advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? > >your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding >the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? what >shall we learn? > >further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i do >to >facilitate putting out the issue? > >joe > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > > > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe >is > >unequivically false. -Matt > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > > > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he >has > >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and >will > >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that > >prove > >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... > >bout them apples?? > > > >shank schundler! > >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister > >ford!! > > > >the streets are watching -- > >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick > >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, > >register voters, promote greasy, > >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 > >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from the > > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary calls. > > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come >on, > > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but you > > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he wouldn't > > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly supported > > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we >known > > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while Bright > > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes manages >to > > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively inactive > > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right >wing > > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > > >effectively after the election. > > > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion of > > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's wrong. > > > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends supported > > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the rev-dem > > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead using > > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, I > > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in Amiriesque > > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about >unity. > > > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without >unity, > > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious conversations > > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its >personal > > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but you > > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they 'agree' > > >with you. > > > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the united > > >front. > > > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're right. > > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to canvassing. > > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their best > > >to alienate everyone else. > > > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these things. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and why. > > > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with republicans. > > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you would > > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > > >revolutionary > > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led the > > >expulsion > > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized in >the > > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering of >the > > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE expelled, > > >there has > > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the nbpc. > > > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > > >through the > > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was >led > > >by BOL. > > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized through >the > > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the >outreach > > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all registered > > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the >losing > >%. > > > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting revolutionary > > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get > >involved? > > > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our OPEN > > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. > >currently > > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on >public > > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic positions >on > > >public > > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > > >council. how > > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > > > 000000 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 0 0 > > > > 000000 > > > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class base. > > > > >> > > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. > >Matthew > > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working class > >with > > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the truth. > >I've > > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we spoke >with > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with community > > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > > >> > > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some local > > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to > >listen. > > > > >> > > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform >was > > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. The > > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, that >is, > > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of >working > > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on >continued > > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, in >our > > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the >NBPC, > > >etc. > > > > >> > > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > > >> > > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to > >represent > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I think >my > > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them so >many > > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are wrong >and > >my > > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand on >the > > > > >>campaign experience. > > > > >> > > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't yet > >know > > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that > >deserves > > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the other > >night, > > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in >which > > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form partnerships >with > > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > > >> > > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, >ignores > >the > > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the >political > > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the > >campaign > > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely affected > > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the >working > > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for > >pro-democratic > > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised classes. >Any > > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into account. >But > > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in >Newark. > > > > >> > > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it >certainly > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who >contend > >that > > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the campaign > >was > > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without >detailed > > > > >>investigation. > > > > >> > > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened to >to > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but >opportunist > > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of > >revolutionary > > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances formed > >with > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > > >> > > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current >trends > >in > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem credible >in > > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm listening--- > > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our practice? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and > >progressive > > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to be >an > > > > >>architect > > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the point >is > >that > > > > >>we need > > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and why > >the > > > > >>campaign > > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this third-wrold > > >grassroots > > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the United > > >Nations > > > > >>for a > > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > > >together, > > > > >>I asked > > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join the > > > > >>organization. > > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how you > >can > > > > >>join what > > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode of > > > > >>organizing, > > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > > >*not* the > > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a >dominant > > > > >>tendancy, or > > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" it > >doesn't > > > > >>mean > > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court date > > > > >>rescheduled > > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and has > > > > >>historically > > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with > >working > > > > >>class > > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > > >compromised, > > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" >like > >so > > > > >>many of > > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* that >the > > > > >>W.C. will > > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > > >>technicians to > > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > > >actual United > > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means > >necessary. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -Matt > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep the > >Essence > > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > > >> > > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that political > > >leaders > > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > > >politics as > > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even >law). > > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he > >explained, > >a > > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, >empty-headedly > > > > >> > political." > > > > >> > > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also believe > > >that to > > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class consciousness. > >While > > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 board >of > > >ed and > > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > > >permissible to > > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick (which > >are > > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, some > >other > > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA Cleary > >asking > > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury verdict > >(Can't > > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the >NBPC > > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop all > >rent > > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate of > >return > > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > > >improvements > > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > > >democratically- > > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of living > > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB >has > >just > > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > > >Shouldn't the > > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of the > >rent > > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the books? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > > >technical > > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > > >credibility > > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use of > > >English > > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on many >of > >the > > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other >egroup). > > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > > >enhanced by > > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the > >campaign's > > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in >electoral > > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > > >understands > > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot participating >in, > > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose can > >mouth > > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the >progressive > > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > > >> > > Kris- > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", though >not > > > > >> > intended to be > > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it more > > > > >> > accurately & point > > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has been > > >dominated > > > > >> > by the > > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the >working > > >class > > > > >> > community > > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have >been > > >made > > > > >> > against > > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. >but > > >NJFO > > > > >> > has been > > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC >had > >made > > > > >> > inroads > > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up of > > >students & > > > > >> > > graduates. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that > >advocating > > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, slanderous, > > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've > >consistantly > > > > >> > criticized > > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and > >'murder-mouth' > > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > > >experiences > > > > >> > because > > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I agree > > >that it > > > > >> > is time > > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to keep > > >beating > > > > >> > the same > > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly feel >that > > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological conclusion* > > >based on > > > > >> > the hard > > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU > >shell...in > > > > >> > other words, > > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue >*still* > > >is the > > > > >> > nature of > > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in a > >United > > > > >> > Front. (I > > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely >what > > >are the > > > > >> > points > > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we >disagree > > >on in > > > > >> > substance > > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it doesn't > > >get any > > > > >> > closer to > > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or >slander > >you > > > > >> > because > > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to the > >heart > > > > >> > because it > > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity with > >you. > >I > > > > >> > think we > > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare >them > >to > > > > >> > those of > > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit the ># > >of > > > > >> > postings to > > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too >preoccupied > > >with > > > > >> > my > > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as a > >United > > > > >> > Front; that > > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting out a > > >position > > > > >> > against > > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > > >Together") to > > > > >> > appease > > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > > >generally > > > > >> > abandoning > > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation that > >this > > > > >> > tendency of > > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history of > > >trial and > > > > >> > error > > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a >'pure' > > >space > > > > >> > for some > > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history >together. > > > It's > > > > >> > hard to > > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But alot > > >will be > > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the >future, > > > > >> > beginning on > > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See >you > > >then. > > > > >> > Matt > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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talk is cheap, haters. where you at? cliff
amiri, your peoples are now openly sabotaging the production of U&S. matthew has already stated that he cannot handle the layout and now he is blocking myself from such tasks being accomplished. follow the message from matt below where he explicitly states for me to fuck myself and that he will do everything to stop my work with U&S. we should ask matt how many papers he has handed out compared to myself of the last two issues produced. also i am responsible for those issues because of the meeting i had arranged with yourself about where's the paper and what can i do. i don't think keith or louise or manny or letty have handed out more than a dozen papers of both issues. if you can just forward me any articles you have that you need distributed (hopefully an analysis of the governor's race) i can layout a leaflet and distribute it. the new brunswick peoples' campaign last meeting had 5 out of 14 people republican voting that the campaign endorse schundler. i don't understand why your edit board, keith and matt, could be responsible for such an organization. you are responsible for their political shortcomings and the fact that all of last year your edit board spent more time organizing for bush2 than they did for U&S. keith received 1900+ as a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN for city council!!! where was your paper for the last year? where is your paper now? these people are bobble head dolls when they are in the same room as you, but imediately they join with bush2 and the greens while expelling myself, cliff, and other open revolutionaries from the peoples campaign. i want answers about U&S and where the next issue is? and what can i do to accelerate the production? revolutionaries unite! shank schundler! joe From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:47:14 1. you are lying about Curtis' track record. 2. "your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding >the entire community is now coming full circle." is what I would call a slanderous, allbeit confused, statement about me. 3. Your acting like an asshole & I'm getting sick of this shit. You don't express a goddamed ounce of interest in truly finding unity, just shoving your self-righteous dogmatism down peoples throats. So, as far a I'm concerned, you can fuck off about U&S till you "wake up", cause you obviously haven't sorted out the role of the newspaper as a collective organizer, as I hear your last stellar performance at Kimako's would attest. Maybe you want to call AB for another meeting on my behalf. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:19:05 -0400 REPUBLICAN is what curtis is (sigh). i have the articles and quotes from skunk soaries speaking in public back when potts got got and skunk was quoting malcolm, now he's black imperialist #1 for NJ. my attempts to build unity have nothing to do with republicans, how bout yours? matt, you go from calling my statements lies to accusing me of slandering people - rather why don't you just keep quite and let the truth be comprehended for what it is. nobody wants your answers, what we need from you is to organize to bury the republicans. where are the articles for U&S with all your time to defend republicans? why isn't the newspaper your highest priority? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:19:33 > It's times like this that the internet & e-group thang becomes dangerous. I mean, do I take this shit seriously and strangle my monitor as the public debate gets dragged down once again into knee deep vitriol, insults and slander. Do I take the gloves off & give this post the back of my hand? Or do I just scratch my head and wonder what the hell this guy is thinking (& what this has to do with unity building, or anything remotely constructive, let alone principled debate from a *communist*), while trying to remember that he's actually my blood, even if he chooses to forget...I'm running out of answers, folks. (PS if I thought it would matter for a second to the 2-3 people who think Curtis is an imperialist (sigh), I would make the effort to bust out my home videos of him speaking in public.) Yours,or not- Matt Joe wrote: don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can produce my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why you are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a beans papi. further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and disregarding the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? what shall we learn? further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i do to facilitate putting out the issue? joe From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by Joe is unequivically false. -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, he has now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and will continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents that prove since 1988 - so much for your arguements... bout them apples?? shank schundler! win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el senior/sinister ford!! the streets are watching -- get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick burn confederate flag in front of 218 george street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, register voters, promote greasy, feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from >the > > > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > > > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > > > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary >calls. > > > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > > > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come > >on, > > > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > > > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > > > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but >you > > > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > > > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > > > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > > > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he >wouldn't > > > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > > > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly >supported > > > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > > > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we > >known > > > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while >Bright > > > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes >manages > >to > > > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > > > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively >inactive > > > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right > >wing > > > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > > > >effectively after the election. > > > > > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion >of > > > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's >wrong. > > > > > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > > > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > > > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > > > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > > > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends >supported > > > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > > > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > > > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > > > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the >rev-dem > > > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead >using > > > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, >I > > > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in >Amiriesque > > > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about > >unity. > > > > > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without > >unity, > > > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > > > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious >conversations > > > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its > >personal > > > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but >you > > > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they >'agree' > > > >with you. > > > > > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > > > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > > > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the >united > > > >front. > > > > > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're >right. > > > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > > > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > > > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to >canvassing. > > > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their >best > > > >to alienate everyone else. > > > > > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these >things. > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and >why. > > > > > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with >republicans. > > > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you >would > > > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > > > >revolutionary > > > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led >the > > > >expulsion > > > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized >in > >the > > > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering >of > >the > > > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE >expelled, > > > >there has > > > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the >nbpc. > > > > > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > > > >through the > > > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was > >led > > > >by BOL. > > > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized >through > >the > > > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the > >outreach > > > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all >registered > > > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the > >losing > > >%. > > > > > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting >revolutionary > > > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get > > >involved? > > > > > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our >OPEN > > > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. > > >currently > > > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on > >public > > > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic >positions > >on > > > >public > > > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > > > >council. how > > > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > > > > > 000000 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 000000 > > > > > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class >base. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. > > >Matthew > > > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working >class > > >with > > > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the >truth. > > >I've > > > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we >spoke > >with > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with >community > > > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some >local > > > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to > > >listen. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform > >was > > > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. >The > > > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, >that > >is, > > > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of > >working > > > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on > >continued > > > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, >in > >our > > > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the > >NBPC, > > > >etc. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to > > >represent > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I >think > >my > > > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them >so > >many > > > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are >wrong > >and > > >my > > > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand >on > >the > > > > > >>campaign experience. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't >yet > > >know > > > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that > > >deserves > > > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the >other > > >night, > > > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in > >which > > > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form >partnerships > >with > > > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, > >ignores > > >the > > > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the > >political > > > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the > > >campaign > > > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely >affected > > > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the > >working > > > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for > > >pro-democratic > > > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised >classes. > >Any > > > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into >account. > >But > > > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in > >Newark. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > >certainly > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who > >contend > > >that > > > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the >campaign > > >was > > > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without > >detailed > > > > > >>investigation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened >to > >to > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but > >opportunist > > > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of > > >revolutionary > > > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances >formed > > >with > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > >trends > > >in > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem >credible > >in > > > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm >listening--- > > > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our >practice? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" ><vivaohio@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and > > >progressive > > > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to >be > >an > > > > > >>architect > > > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the >point > >is > > >that > > > > > >>we need > > > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and >why > > >the > > > > > >>campaign > > > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this >third-wrold > > > >grassroots > > > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the >United > > > >Nations > > > > > >>for a > > > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > > > >together, > > > > > >>I asked > > > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join >the > > > > > >>organization. > > > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how >you > > >can > > > > > >>join what > > > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode >of > > > > > >>organizing, > > > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > > > >*not* the > > > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a > >dominant > > > > > >>tendancy, or > > > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" >it > > >doesn't > > > > > >>mean > > > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court >date > > > > > >>rescheduled > > > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and >has > > > > > >>historically > > > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with > > >working > > > > > >>class > > > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > > > >compromised, > > > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" > >like > > >so > > > > > >>many of > > > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* >that > >the > > > > > >>W.C. will > > > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > > > >>technicians to > > > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > > > >actual United > > > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means > > >necessary. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -Matt > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep >the > > >Essence > > > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that >political > > > >leaders > > > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > > > >politics as > > > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even > >law). > > > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he > > >explained, > > >a > > > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, > >empty-headedly > > > > > >> > political." > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also >believe > > > >that to > > > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class >consciousness. > > >While > > > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 >board > >of > > > >ed and > > > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > > > >permissible to > > > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick >(which > > >are > > > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, >some > > >other > > > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA >Cleary > > >asking > > > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury >verdict > > >(Can't > > > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the > >NBPC > > > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop >all > > >rent > > > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate >of > > >return > > > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > > > >improvements > > > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > > > >democratically- > > > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of >living > > > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB > >has > > >just > > > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > > > >Shouldn't the > > > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of >the > > >rent > > > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the >books? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > > > >technical > > > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > > > >credibility > > > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use >of > > > >English > > > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on >many > >of > > >the > > > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other > >egroup). > > > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > > > >enhanced by > > > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the > > >campaign's > > > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in > >electoral > > > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > > > >understands > > > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot >participating > >in, > > > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose >can > > >mouth > > > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the > >progressive > > > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > Kris- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", >though > >not > > > > > >> > intended to be > > > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it >more > > > > > >> > accurately & point > > > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has >been > > > >dominated > > > > > >> > by the > > > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the > >working > > > >class > > > > > >> > community > > > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have > >been > > > >made > > > > > >> > against > > > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. > >but > > > >NJFO > > > > > >> > has been > > > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC > >had > > >made > > > > > >> > inroads > > > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up >of > > > >students & > > > > > >> > > graduates. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that > > >advocating > > > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, >slanderous, > > > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've > > >consistantly > > > > > >> > criticized > > > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and > > >'murder-mouth' > > > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > > > >experiences > > > > > >> > because > > > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I >agree > > > >that it > > > > > >> > is time > > > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to >keep > > > >beating > > > > > >> > the same > > > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly >feel > >that > > > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological >conclusion* > > > >based on > > > > > >> > the hard > > > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU > > >shell...in > > > > > >> > other words, > > > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue > >*still* > > > >is the > > > > > >> > nature of > > > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in >a > > >United > > > > > >> > Front. (I > > > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely > >what > > > >are the > > > > > >> > points > > > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we > >disagree > > > >on in > > > > > >> > substance > > > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it >doesn't > > > >get any > > > > > >> > closer to > > > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or > >slander > > >you > > > > > >> > because > > > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to >the > > >heart > > > > > >> > because it > > > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity >with > > >you. > > >I > > > > > >> > think we > > > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare > >them > > >to > > > > > >> > those of > > > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit >the > ># > > >of > > > > > >> > postings to > > > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too > >preoccupied > > > >with > > > > > >> > my > > > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as >a > > >United > > > > > >> > Front; that > > > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting >out >a > > > >position > > > > > >> > against > > > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > > > >Together") to > > > > > >> > appease > > > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > > > >generally > > > > > >> > abandoning > > > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation >that > > >this > > > > > >> > tendency of > > > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history >of > > > >trial and > > > > > >> > error > > > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a > >'pure' > > > >space > > > > > >> > for some > > > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history > >together. > > > > It's > > > > > >> > hard to > > > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But >alot > > > >will be > > > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the > >future, > > > > > >> > beginning on > > > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See > >you > > > >then. > > > > > >> > Matt > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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can't even get you to be half, make your own calls - where's the paper jack? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 22:47:14 > >1. you are lying about Curtis' track record. >2. "your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and >disregarding >the entire community is now coming full circle." is what I >would call a slanderous, allbeit confused, statement about me. >3. Your acting like an asshole & I'm getting sick of this shit. You don't >express a goddamed ounce of interest in truly finding unity, just shoving >your self-righteous dogmatism down peoples throats. So, as far a I'm >concerned, you can fuck off about U&S till you "wake up", cause you >obviously haven't sorted out the role of the newspaper as a collective >organizer, as I hear your last stellar performance at Kimako's would >attest. > Maybe you want to call AB for another meeting on my behalf. > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:19:05 -0400 > >REPUBLICAN is what curtis is (sigh). > >i have the articles and quotes from skunk soaries speaking in public back >when potts got got and skunk was quoting malcolm, now he's black >imperialist >#1 for NJ. > >my attempts to build unity have nothing to do with republicans, how bout >yours? > >matt, you go from calling my statements lies to accusing me of slandering >people - rather why don't you just keep quite and let the truth be >comprehended for what it is. nobody wants your answers, what we need from >you is to organize to bury the republicans. where are the articles for U&S >with all your time to defend republicans? why isn't the newspaper your >highest priority? > >joe > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Shank Schundler! working class base? > >Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:19:33 > > > >It's times like this that the internet & e-group thang becomes >dangerous. > >I > >mean, do I take this shit seriously and strangle my monitor as the >public > >debate gets dragged down once again into knee deep vitriol, insults and > >slander. Do I take the gloves off & give this post the back of my hand? > >Or > >do I just scratch my head and wonder what the hell this guy is thinking >(& > >what this has to do with unity building, or anything remotely >constructive, > >let alone principled debate from a *communist*), while trying to >remember > >that he's actually my blood, even if he chooses to forget...I'm running >out > >of answers, folks. > > > >(PS if I thought it would matter for a second to the 2-3 people who >think > >Curtis is an imperialist (sigh), I would make the effort to bust out my > >home > >videos of him speaking in public.) > > > >Yours,or not- Matt > > > > > >Joe wrote: > > > >don't speak too soon matt, ask keith and ask curtis himself. i can >produce > >my evidence, you better have your explanation for the people as to why >you > >are so tight with el senior. your good word don't amount to a hill'a >beans > >papi. > > > >further- matt, curtis is a member of the republican party, how could one > >advocate anything but republican positions from such a base? > > > >your whole practice of latching on to one "spokesperson" and >disregarding > >the entire community is now coming full circle. what shall we learn? >what > >shall we learn? > > > >further2- where are the articles for the next U&S issue and what can i >do > >to > >facilitate putting out the issue? > > > >joe > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class >base? > > >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:23:52 > > > > > >I worked with Curtis for 4 years, and I know that this statement by >Joe > >is > > >unequivically false. -Matt > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > >Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:47:38 -0400 > > > > > >curtis has never advocated anything but a republican agenda!!! thus, >he > >has > > >now sealed the deal in an open admission that he is and has been and > >will > > >continue to be a member of the republican party. i have documents >that > > >prove > > >since 1988 - so much for your arguements... > > >bout them apples?? > > > > > >shank schundler! > > >win the peoples' campaign to the people, dump bright/el >senior/sinister > > >ford!! > > > > > >the streets are watching -- > > >get on board w/july 4 event in new brunswick > > >burn confederate flag in front of 218 george >street!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, > > >register voters, promote greasy, > > >feaster park rally w/food, burn confederate flag2 > > >fireworks provided by the city (burn another confederate flag3?) > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@... > > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [njfo] Re: Shank Schundler! working class base? > > > >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:29:05 -0000 > > > > > > > >You can count me in the anti-republican crusade. I resigned from >the > > > >Repub committee last year and I'm changing my voter reg asap. > > > > > > > >About Joe's words: No doubt, Joe, that the revolutionaries in the > > > >NBPC should have been more persistent with open revolutionary >calls. > > > >But the NBPC itself wasn't a revolutionary org., you know that. > > > > > > > >But to say the platform wasn't revolutionary-democratic?????? Come > >on, > > > >now. The platform was straight up community control and all for > > > >people's institutions. If that's not rev-dem, then why not? > > > > > > > >No doubt you guys consistently called for revolution, etc., but >you > > > >guys weren't following Mao's 'On Handling Contradictions Among the > > > >People' when you viciously attacked Curtis for his ambiguous > > > >statements. Curtis didn't back off the platform and he's never > > > >stopped advocating for revolutionary democracy, even if he >wouldn't > > > >call it 'rev-dem', and, I would argue, even while supporting Rev. > > > >Soaries with respect to the church (Curtis has never openly >supported > > > >Soaries-as-Republican). > > > > > > > >And in hindsight, it was a mistake to align with Bright. Had we > >known > > > >better, we could have had independent poll workers. And while >Bright > > > >does sometimes advocate for the people of NB, and sometimes >manages > >to > > > >stink up the machine, keeping the UF together with constant threat > > > >from the Right is part of the reason the NBPC is relatively >inactive > > > >right now. If we hadn't needed to organize against Frank's right > >wing > > > >attacks, we could have united and consolidated the left much more > > > >effectively after the election. > > > > > > > >You might want to conclude that inclusion of Frank made expulsion >of > > > >BoL politically more possible. That's easy to say, but it's >wrong. > > > > > > > >I think BoL's expulsion had more to do with your letter (which was > > > >unprincipled and unprofessional political behavior) rather than > > > >attempts by NJFO and company to avoid revolutionary struggle. > > > > > > > >You gotta admit that letter you guys signed was against 'march > > > >separately, strike together', a slogan that all NBPC trends >supported > > > >informally. What ever happened to winning people over to your > > > >position through side-by-side struggle together, or by persuasive > > > >arguments that pick up the bucket where it's at? That's where BoL > > > >makes its mistakes- not recognizing contradictions within the >rev-dem > > > >movement as opportunities to win over your allies, but instead >using > > > >differences (which are ususally limited in their political scope, >I > > > >might add), as launching pads for your vitriol dressed in >Amiriesque > > > >nicknames, and all-out attacks on your allies that forget about > >unity. > > > > > > > >That coincides with talking without listening, struggle without > >unity, > > > >and other trends that manifest themselves in meetings, in > > > >revolutionary literature, and especially in contentious >conversations > > > >with individuals. I think BoL needs to get serious about its > >personal > > > >and political conduct. You criticize bannings and expulsions but >you > > > >push your allies up against walls and badger them until they >'agree' > > > >with you. > > > > > > > >This all shows that we need new conventions about unity. Our old > > > >conceptions of 'unity' come from our fight clubs not out of > > > >appreciation for the power of revolutionary alliances and the >united > > > >front. > > > > > > > >When you say the BoL dominated the Outreach Committee, you're >right. > > > >The Outreach Committee was the power base of BoL. They yelled at > > > >everyone who wasn't BoL and generally acted in a hostile manner > > > >towards people who didn't show an ironclad commitment to >canvassing. > > > >They did survey and canvass like the Dickens, but they did their >best > > > >to alienate everyone else. > > > > > > > >When I think about cultural revolution, I think about these >things. > > > > > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >--- In njfo@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > > (re: paul) > > > > > > > > > > through seeing who is being organized to your positions and >why. > > > > > > > > > > not so insignificant as you might think, uniting with >republicans. > > > > > why don't you explain to jayson hankins and myself why you >would > > > > > rather have fucbright on the steering committee than himself? > > > > > > > > > > i am not and never have been anti-nbpc, nor am i ultra-left. > > > > > > > > > > to claim that the nbpc represented the working class with a > > > >revolutionary > > > > > democratic program is a lie, lier. xavier and njfo members led >the > > > >expulsion > > > > > of any open revolutionary democratic programs being organized >in > >the > > > > > peoples' campaign. let alone the bankrupt attack and guttering >of > >the > > > > > national election. since BOL and others from nb were/ARE >expelled, > > > >there has > > > > > yet to be any open revolutionary programs put forward by the >nbpc. > > > > > > > > > > yes the nbpc talked to thousands of nb working class residents > > > >through the > > > > > canvass which was organized by the outreach committee which was > >led > > > >by BOL. > > > > > the motorcade, the surveys, the picnic were all organized >through > >the > > > > > outreach committee which was dominated by BOL. where is the > >outreach > > > > > committee now?, where is any public display of the nbpc? > > > > > > > > > > you never explained to the people that you were/ARE all >registered > > > > > REPUBLICANS! > > > > > > > > > > as far as what % of the working class vote nbpc received, the > >losing > > >%. > > > > > > > > > > Beat Bush!! Nix Nader!! sound familiar Flavier? > > > > > > > > > > if there is a working class base organized promoting >revolutionary > > > > > democratic programs in nb, where is it? and how can SWORD get > > >involved? > > > > > > > > > > why do we as revolutionaries build allainces? not to drop our >OPEN > > > > > AND ABOVE BOARD revolutionary positions, but to further them. > > >currently > > > > > there are more nb people agreeing with republican positions on > >public > > > > > housing than are agreeing with revolutionary democratic >positions > >on > > > >public > > > > > housing. or is there not a difference?????????????????????? > > > > > > > > > > nbpc recieved 1900+ votes for republican candidates for city > > > >council. how > > > > > many votes did nbpc receive for revolutionary democracy? > > > > > > > > > > 000000 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 0 0 > > > > > 000000 > > > > > > > > > > you can't play me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > > > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >>Subject: [nbpc] working class base? > > > > > >>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:58:06 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Matt wrote: But the point is that we need > > > > > >> > to sort out ... why the campaign lacked a working class >base. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Paul writes: Yea, I think that's the bottom line issue here. > > >Matthew > > > > > >>and others have contended that we didn't reach the working >class > > >with > > > > > >>the NBPC. I can't think of many things farther from the >truth. > > >I've > > > > > >>personally tried to convey this so many times....that we >spoke > >with > > > > > >>thousands of working class people who were down with >community > > > > > >>control, down with the platform, down with democracy. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As some may guess, many of these working class people whom I > > > > > >>personally met can talk the issues much better than some >local > > > > > >>'organizers' and many of the 'advanced' who need to learn to > > >listen. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>You say we didn't have a working class base, but the platform > >was > > > > > >>derived from conversation with mainly working class people. >The > > > > > >>tactics on canvass were derived mainly from conversations, >that > >is, > > > > > >>informal agitation and propaganda among the broad mass of > >working > > > > > >>class people in NB. We reinforced our emphases based on > >continued > > > > > >>interaction. We had working class people out in the field, >in > >our > > > > > >>meetings, working on election day, spreading the buzz of the > >NBPC, > > > >etc. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>But you may still say we lacked working class base. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As a communist, I'll say that our most important job is to > > >represent > > > > > >>working class interests whenever and wherever possible. I >think > >my > > > > > >>arguments, which are well-honed now that I've repeated them >so > >many > > > > > >>times, stand for themselves. You can say my premises are >wrong > >and > > >my > > > > > >>experience non-scientific, but that's how I and others stand >on > >the > > > > > >>campaign experience. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>As far as getting out the working class vote goes, we don't >yet > > >know > > > > > >>what percentage of our vote was working class. I think that > > >deserves > > > > > >>much attention: at a meeting with Unity and Struggle the >other > > >night, > > > > > >>the NBPC was roundly dismissed as an opportunist adventure in > >which > > > > > >>revolutionaries sold out their principles to form >partnerships > >with > > > > > >>pro-Bush forces. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>That conclusion, embraced mainly by the far Left among us, > >ignores > > >the > > > > > >>political experience of the campaign as it relates to the > >political > > > > > >>experience of the working class voters of NB. To dismiss the > > >campaign > > > > > >>on the grounds of two strategic alliances which barely >affected > > > > > >>tactics is to ignore the largest question of progressive and > > > > > >>revolutionary politics....that is: how do we mobilize the > >working > > > > > >>class and in doing that, what tasks are principal for > > >pro-democratic > > > > > >>forces who would mobilize the political disfranchised >classes. > >Any > > > > > >>analysis of these questions has to take practice into >account. > >But > > > > > >>this type of practice was not on the agenda on Wednesday in > >Newark. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>If opportunism exists in the NBPC defenders camp, then it > >certainly > > > > > >>exists among those associated with Unity and Struggle who > >contend > > >that > > > > > >>the campaign didn't have a working class base, that the >campaign > > >was > > > > > >>not revolutionary-democratic, who say these things without > >detailed > > > > > >>investigation. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I don't think that the anti-NBPC U&S crowd has even listened >to > >to > > > > > >>pro-NBPC arguments. That's not only unprinicipled, but > >opportunist > > > > > >>because they use their unfounded arguments to discount the > > > > > >>revolutionary practice of the campaign. This dissing of > > >revolutionary > > > > > >>practice is predicated on the less-significant alliances >formed > > >with > > > > > >>Greens and Republicans. > > > > > >> > > > > > >>It's precisely this de-emphasis (even ignorance) of current > >trends > > >in > > > > > >>revolutionary practice that allows this faction to seem >credible > >in > > > > > >>this ongoing debate. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>I'm going to end with a question, because now I'm >listening--- > > > > > >>Getting back to the beginning: how do we evaluate our >practice? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" ><vivaohio@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Totally agreed that the movement needs "technicians and > > >progressive > > > > > >> > professionsals...(look, i'm a college student studying to >be > >an > > > > > >>architect > > > > > >> > which is about as technical as you can get) But the >point > >is > > >that > > > > > >>we need > > > > > >> > to sort out the question of what the United Front is, and >why > > >the > > > > > >>campaign > > > > > >> > lacked a working class base. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Here's an anecdote: I was just working with this >third-wrold > > > >grassroots > > > > > >> > coalition on building a full scale model house in the >United > > > >Nations > > > > > >>for a > > > > > >> > convention on low-income housing. After a week of working > > > >together, > > > > > >>I asked > > > > > >> > their leader, Jokin, an old Indian man, how I could join >the > > > > > >>organization. > > > > > >> > He looked at me puzzled, and asked me, WHy do you ask how >you > > >can > > > > > >>join what > > > > > >> > you've already joined?! That's the difference in the mode >of > > > > > >>organizing, > > > > > >> > and it's a consciousness that comes *from* the grassroots, > > > >*not* the > > > > > >> > technical progressives. & When I say that there is a > >dominant > > > > > >>tendancy, or > > > > > >> > ideology, that represents the "progressive professional" >it > > >doesn't > > > > > >>mean > > > > > >> > that you, Flavio, not needed (BTW I haven't had my court >date > > > > > >>rescheduled > > > > > >> > yet ;) ...it means that something else is lacking, and >has > > > > > >>historically > > > > > >> > been so. And that is the working class. & It is only with > > >working > > > > > >>class > > > > > >> > consciousness that **revolutionary democracy** will not be > > > >compromised, > > > > > >> > because the W.C. doesn't have the option of "getting jobs" > >like > > >so > > > > > >>many of > > > > > >> > our parents generation did......So it is *of necessity* >that > >the > > > > > >>W.C. will > > > > > >> > ultimately inspire all of us progressive and revolutionary > > > > > >>technicians to > > > > > >> > get it together and participate in the construction of an > > > >actual United > > > > > >> > Front against this mess. and for democracy, by any means > > >necessary. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -Matt > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > >> > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > >> > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >> > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > > > >> > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] Change the Name; Keep >the > > >Essence > > > > > >> > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 18:56:10 -0000 > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > It is my understanding that even Mao advocated that >political > > > >leaders > > > > > >> > had to be both "red and expert," i.e. to understand both > > > >politics as > > > > > >> > well as more technical matters such as industry (or even > >law). > > > > > >> > Not "red and ignorant" or "red and alienating." As he > > >explained, > > >a > > > > > >> > person with only a political line is "pseudo-red, > >empty-headedly > > > > > >> > political." > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > The campaign needs technicians in its ranks. I also >believe > > > >that to > > > > > >> > be "advanced" one must have more than a class >consciousness. > > >While > > > > > >> > petition signatures were being collected for the 2000 >board > >of > > > >ed and > > > > > >> > municipal elections, some turkeys decided it would be > > > >permissible to > > > > > >> > get signatures from people living in _North_ Brunswick >(which > > >are > > > > > >> > invalid in a _New_ Brunswick election). Just recently, >some > > >other > > > > > >> > turkeys on the other egroup advocated letters to USA >Cleary > > >asking > > > > > >> > him to "overturn" a judge's ruling nullifying a jury >verdict > > >(Can't > > > > > >> > happen because of separation of powers). One point of the > >NBPC > > > > > >> > platform demands: "Pass rent control legislation to stop >all > > >rent > > > > > >> > increases except those necessary to preserve a fair rate >of > > >return > > > > > >> > for landlords' investments, such as to cover repairs and > > > >improvements > > > > > >> > to building by the owner, requiring the approval of a > > > >democratically- > > > > > >> > elected Rent Control Board and never to exceed cost of >living > > > > > >> > increase for that year." This is despite the fact that NB > >has > > >just > > > > > >> > such a rent control ordinance, albeit one that is > > > > > >> > underenforced/unenforced and without vacancy control. > > > >Shouldn't the > > > > > >> > nonenforcement/vacancy control have been the emphasis of >the > > >rent > > > > > >> > point, rather than demanding something already on the >books? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I could go on but in sum, my question is: who is doing the > > > >technical > > > > > >> > homework on our political work and outreach? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Credibility matters, whether we like it or not. Part of > > > >credibility > > > > > >> > is technical accuracy. (Proper grammar, spelling, and use >of > > > >English > > > > > >> > capitalization rules also help, a point sorely lost on >many > >of > > >the > > > > > >> > purportedly "advanced" people who are using the other > >egroup). > > > > > >> > Technical accuracy and the precision of a message can be > > > >enhanced by > > > > > >> > welcoming progressives into the campaign who share the > > >campaign's > > > > > >> > goals and who have the relevant technical and professional > > > > > >> > knowledge. Indeed, if we are going to participate in > >electoral > > > > > >> > politics, I'd rather have the progressive technician who > > > >understands > > > > > >> > how to get our candidates' names on the ballot >participating > >in, > > > > > >> > even "dominating" things, rather than the sloganeer whose >can > > >mouth > > > > > >> > a "purer" political consciousness than that of the > >progressive > > > > > >> > technician/professional. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > Kris- > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > *My choice of phrasing "landlords & lawyer types", >though > >not > > > > > >> > intended to be > > > > > >> > > a put down, could be read as such. I'll rephrase it >more > > > > > >> > accurately & point > > > > > >> > > out that the 'political line' of nbpcmembers is/has >been > > > >dominated > > > > > >> > by the > > > > > >> > > class consciousness of the 'progressive professional'. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > *From my observations, SWORD has been closer to the > >working > > > >class > > > > > >> > community > > > > > >> > > on the street, irregardless of the criticisms that have > >been > > > >made > > > > > >> > against > > > > > >> > > them. At one time, the NBPB Coalition held that honor. > >but > > > >NJFO > > > > > >> > has been > > > > > >> > > historically campus/student oriented and while the NBPC > >had > > >made > > > > > >> > inroads > > > > > >> > > into the community, it's base is still vastly made up >of > > > >students & > > > > > >> > > graduates. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > *I'm unclear as to why you immmediately conclude that > > >advocating > > > > > >> > > 'revolutionary democracy' equates to "vicious, >slanderous, > > > > > >> > > negative, violent, repetitive sloganeering?" I've > > >consistantly > > > > > >> > criticized > > > > > >> > > what I view to be 'ultra-leftist' tendencies and > > >'murder-mouth' > > > > > >> > > sloganeering, but I refuse to give up my ideas and my > > > >experiences > > > > > >> > because > > > > > >> > > I'm afraid I might be confused with someone else...I >agree > > > >that it > > > > > >> > is time > > > > > >> > > to move on and find a new basis for unity and not to >keep > > > >beating > > > > > >> > the same > > > > > >> > > old horse, but let the records note that I strongly >feel > >that > > > > > >> > NJFO 'gave up' > > > > > >> > > it's 'revolutionary democratic' *ideological >conclusion* > > > >based on > > > > > >> > the hard > > > > > >> > > fought and won experience of breaking out of the CU > > >shell...in > > > > > >> > other words, > > > > > >> > > the butterfly never left the branch. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > This is why I now feel that the most pressing issue > >*still* > > > >is the > > > > > >> > nature of > > > > > >> > > revolutionary democracy* and how that is represented in >a > > >United > > > > > >> > Front. (I > > > > > >> > > think we agree that we disagree on this, but precisely > >what > > > >are the > > > > > >> > points > > > > > >> > > of contention. What do we agree on, and what do we > >disagree > > > >on in > > > > > >> > substance > > > > > >> > > not form. If I curse and you don't like that, it >doesn't > > > >get any > > > > > >> > closer to > > > > > >> > > the heart of the matter. But if I scream at you or > >slander > > >you > > > > > >> > because > > > > > >> > > you're not revolutionary enough, then it does get to >the > > >heart > > > > > >> > because it > > > > > >> > > shows that I'm not that interested in building unity >with > > >you. > > >I > > > > > >> > think we > > > > > >> > > can agree on this much. Now how does this play out...) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > * Two more things, and then I'll hang up and listen: > > > > > >> > > 1. Please don't put words in my mouth and then compare > >them > > >to > > > > > >> > those of > > > > > >> > > "right-wing turds". > > > > > >> > > 2. I also wish that I had thought of the idea to limit >the > ># > > >of > > > > > >> > postings to > > > > > >> > > one-a-day 'back then'...for one thing, I was too > >preoccupied > > > >with > > > > > >> > my > > > > > >> > > revelation that the peoples campaign was not acting as >a > > >United > > > > > >> > Front; that > > > > > >> > > NJFO's president had a split with AB and was putting >out >a > > > >position > > > > > >> > against > > > > > >> > > publishing U&S (no longer "March Seperately, Strike > > > >Together") to > > > > > >> > appease > > > > > >> > > the Naderites, Republicans & Landlords; that folks were > > > >generally > > > > > >> > abandoning > > > > > >> > > U&S as a collective organizer; and the big revalation >that > > >this > > > > > >> > tendency of > > > > > >> > > bannings is just that: a tendency with a long history >of > > > >trial and > > > > > >> > error > > > > > >> > > with little to show for itself in terms of creating a > >'pure' > > > >space > > > > > >> > for some > > > > > >> > > kind of 'real' unity. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Look , Kris, we all have a relatively long history > >together. > > > > It's > > > > > >> > hard to > > > > > >> > > have things shaken up as much as they have been. But >alot > > > >will be > > > > > >> > > determined by how we approach our potential for the > >future, > > > > > >> > beginning on > > > > > >> > > Wed. I'm glad to be a part of the bridge building. See > >you > > > >then. > > > > > >> > Matt > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > >> > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your use of Yahoo! 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Your're wrong, Joe! > the new brunswick peoples' campaign last meeting had 5 out of 14 people > republican voting that the campaign endorse schundler. The motion that we oppose Schundler passed. I voted in favor of that motion. A number of people abstained because, as I recall the debate (note I was there and you were not) there was a sense that as a local political group it was inappropriate to divert our efforts to statewide battles that others are fighting. You are either misinformed or lying when you say that 5 of 14 voted to endorse Schundler. Since you were not at the meeting, I am assuming you were simply misinformed.
what was the vote on and how did it go down specifically. my information is from keith. the fact that there are any members of the peoples campaign opposed to stomping schundler reflects the fact that the peoples' campaign does not fully represent the people. all republicans should be immediately removed from the peoples' campaign or else the name should be changed to the anti-peoples campaign. joe >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: NBPC opposition to Schundler >Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:41:42 -0000 > > >Your're wrong, Joe! > > > the new brunswick peoples' campaign last meeting had 5 out of 14 >people > > republican voting that the campaign endorse schundler. > >The motion that we oppose Schundler passed. I voted in favor of that >motion. A number of people abstained because, as I recall the debate >(note I was there and you were not) there was a sense that as a local >political group it was inappropriate to divert our efforts to >statewide battles that others are fighting. > >You are either misinformed or lying when you say that 5 of 14 voted >to endorse Schundler. Since you were not at the meeting, I am >assuming you were simply misinformed. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
To all concerned! I know it may seem strange that I openly advocate being a republican, but I have also stressed that I am a People's Campain Republican! I feel deep in my heart that it is important for me to hold on to this new political title. I can only work to change the image of the Republican Party if I'm in the Republican Party. When the human body is sick, the doctor gives you a prescription to put inside your mouth, thus inside of the body. I am trying to work on that theory. That I can work from the inside out and change the Republican Party into a People's Campaign Republican Party. Our original idea for People's Campaign was that all political groups could come together for the common good of mankind. If we loose this theory then we have lost the original spirit of People's Campaign. I no longer will get angry or upset with anyone who decides to deface, slander or make negative comments about other Republicans including: Reverend Dr. DeForest Blake Soaries Jr. When you take a baby, who is hungry and wet and crying out for attention, the baby does not care whether or not the mother or father attends to it. It is just satisfied to know that its needs are met. We should feel the same way about the needs of this nation. Communist, Democrats, Republicans, Right-Winged, Left-Winged, etc. should work toward the common goal. The old saying: "Two heads are better than one" I feel will really work for our cause. I cannot account or justify anyone else's actions but my own. I am a People's Campaign Republican until People' s Campaign does something that is directly against its original theory of serving the people. Curtis L. Warren Sr. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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can_curtis, ban_bright, stomp_soaries, flatten_ford,
BURY BRET!!
PEOPLES WAR ON THE RIGHT!!
SHANK SHUNDLER!!
STEP 1:
remove all republicans from NB Peoples' Campaign
STEP 2:
reinstate joe smith, cliff smith, tamara dahan, JR, jayson hankins, nicole
engel
STEP 3:
shank schundler, attack/endorse greasy
STEP 4:
RAS BARAKA FOR NEWARK CITY COUNCIL -
meeting every tuesday 7:30 808 S. 10th str. Newark
knock on doors every saturday and sunday
-saturday meet 9:00am 808 S. 10th str. Newark
-sunday meet 2:00pm 808 S. 10th str. Newark
STEP 5:
?? NB elections 2002
>From: citruswar@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S production- lack there of...
>Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:57:54 EDT
>
>To all concerned!
>
>I know it may seem strange that I openly advocate being a republican, but I
>have also stressed that I am a People's Campain Republican! I feel deep in
>my heart that it is important for me to hold on to this new political
>title.
>
>I can only work to change the image of the Republican Party if I'm in the
>Republican Party. When the human body is sick, the doctor gives you a
>prescription to put inside your mouth, thus inside of the body. I am
>trying
>to work on that theory. That I can work from the inside out and change the
>Republican Party into a People's Campaign Republican Party. Our original
>idea for People's Campaign was that all political groups could come
>together
>for the common good of mankind. If we loose this theory then we have lost
>the original spirit of People's Campaign. I no longer will get angry or
>upset with anyone who decides to deface, slander or make negative comments
>about other Republicans including: Reverend Dr. DeForest Blake Soaries
>Jr.
>When you take a baby, who is hungry and wet and crying out for attention,
>the
>baby does not care whether or not the mother or father attends to it. It
>is
>just satisfied to know that its needs are met. We should feel the same way
>about the needs of this nation. Communist, Democrats, Republicans,
>Right-Winged, Left-Winged, etc. should work toward the common goal. The
>old
>saying: "Two heads are better than one" I feel will really work for our
>cause. I cannot account or justify anyone else's actions but my own. I am
>a
>People's Campaign Republican until People' s Campaign does something that
>is
>directly against its original theory of serving the people.
>
>Curtis L. Warren Sr.
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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A Revolution
Gwendolyn Wilson
Folks are always out there
Yappin' & yappin' & yappin' about a revolution.
The same revolution we only have time
To talk about.
We don't know how to see
The power there is to see in a revolution.
We don't know how to be
What there is to be in a revolution.
We leave that up to the few, the strong,
The estranged Black Brothers & Sisters
Who be out there actin' on, movin' on, groovin' on, attackin' on
That revolutionary thing from dusk till dawn
Because, see, somebody's got to do it.
Somebody's got to do that revolutionary do,
Do you hear me?
And if we all had the courage and the energy
Of mind and body, & the spirituality that our ancestors had,
(Don't get me wrong, I didn't say religion but spirituality.)
Then we would all be down for the cause.
And if we was all down for the cause,
Then we could stop messin' around with the cause.
Cause I think we all need to be up in that bold
And beautiful, but dangerous word called
R E V O L U T I O N,
a revolution.
And I know how hard it is for you and me
To get up in that thing called a revolution.
Cause, see, you and me, we woke up Black
& folks is always trying to hold us back.
But that is no reason for us to continually be
trampled on like slaves,
and buried in our graves.
But when you think about Life, Liberty,
& that Pursuit of Happiness thing,
I wonder can we have that?
Can we have Life? Can we have Liberty?
Can we have the Pursuit of Happiness?
The answer is No!
Not if we don't stop shootin' up our Brothers & Sisters
And start shootin' a hole, or two, or three,
Into this weak-minded, manipulating society.
Not if we don't put down the blunts
And start picking up the Black History books.
If we don't stop burning our veins
And start polishing our brains,
Then we will be drained in this society,
The 'land of the free.'
And that's what America, and that's what America,
And that's what America wants from you & me.
But I can't do it because I'm so tired of all this
Sexism & this classism & this racism
That I get dealt a double-dose of every day.
Because I woke up Black,
Somebody's always trying to hold me back.
Because, see, the 'big picture' didn't include no
Brown paint, no dreads,
No smooth walk, no ebonic talk,
No pretty brown eyes, no huggable thighs,
No rich hips, no luscious lips,
No 'What up?', Ain't that some stuff?
Well, I'm here now, & I'm in the picture, you see?
And you got to deal with me.
So I'm expecting you & you & you & you
to have my back,
And I will have your back in this thing.
I call it R E V O L U T I O N,
A revolution.
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el senior, you are a peoples' campaign sell-out!! now get out! you did not ever, until exposed, come out with being republican! the peoples' campaign was founded to launch the platform of democratic community control over the institutions that control the community, lier! el comprador, what exactly is your problem with the republican party, that you suggest "I can only work to change the image republican party if i'm in the republican party"? stop acting like you wear diapers, republicans serve white supremacy and international finance capital, to say otherwise will further expose your sell-out desires. fuck you. fuck your boss. fuck his boss. and fuck schundler! your just waiting for skunk to come around to schundler you wannaB. joe smith Stundent/Worker Organization For Revolutionary Democracy 732.586.5535 13 James Street New Brunswick 08901 can_bush@... >From: citruswar@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S production- lack there of... >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:57:54 EDT > >To all concerned! > >I know it may seem strange that I openly advocate being a republican, but I >have also stressed that I am a People's Campain Republican! I feel deep in >my heart that it is important for me to hold on to this new political >title. > >I can only work to change the image of the Republican Party if I'm in the >Republican Party. When the human body is sick, the doctor gives you a >prescription to put inside your mouth, thus inside of the body. I am >trying >to work on that theory. That I can work from the inside out and change the >Republican Party into a People's Campaign Republican Party. Our original >idea for People's Campaign was that all political groups could come >together >for the common good of mankind. If we loose this theory then we have lost >the original spirit of People's Campaign. I no longer will get angry or >upset with anyone who decides to deface, slander or make negative comments >about other Republicans including: Reverend Dr. DeForest Blake Soaries >Jr. >When you take a baby, who is hungry and wet and crying out for attention, >the >baby does not care whether or not the mother or father attends to it. It >is >just satisfied to know that its needs are met. We should feel the same way >about the needs of this nation. Communist, Democrats, Republicans, >Right-Winged, Left-Winged, etc. should work toward the common goal. The >old >saying: "Two heads are better than one" I feel will really work for our >cause. I cannot account or justify anyone else's actions but my own. I am >a >People's Campaign Republican until People' s Campaign does something that >is >directly against its original theory of serving the people. > >Curtis L. Warren Sr. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I fell sorry for you Joe! I will not feed into any of your trivial and delusive behavior. The internet is not supposed to be used to make slanderous and vicious remarks about each other and I will not continue to take anything that you say seriously until your do either 1) Act and conduct yourself like a man 2) Treat myself and the rest of the People's Campaign with respect 3) Discontinue using vile and ignorant remarks while sending e-mails Until then, talk to yourself, because no one else is listening! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Jobs for NB residents!! Rally Monday Morning 10:00am NB Projects Neilson Street Rally is being organized by union that is going to war with the NB Housing Authority and their "rat contract" with the developers of the projects. These developers have been exposed as illegally removing aspestos and for not hiring any city residents to work this contract. There have been fliers posted throughout the Remsen Ave area of town (at least) on cars and in peoples windows by the rally organizers. This is a tremendous opportunity to join a working class defensive with regards to J&J's Fascist Redevelopment. contact joe smith for more info 732.586.5535 can_bush@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>From: "Greg Di Gesu" <gregdig65@...> >To: "Cliff Smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Just a reminder... >Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:35:13 -0400 > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Curtis Warren's public statements following May, 2000 Peoples' Campaign Convention, printed in HomeNewsTribune, Ken Serrano, reporting: "It's a huge fight. We're fighting against old-boy politics, against huge money and old ideas. But we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here to do better." "Warren stressed what has been a talking point for many of the people associated with the People's Campaign: 'How can we be a health-care city and let this drug problem go on like it is?' "He said he would work to promote joint efforts with health-care companies in New Brunswick to deal with that and other problems." ********************************************************************** Block on Lock's statement, submitted to Peoples' Campaign Steering Committee, June 2000: (All signees immediately, unanimously expelled by Steering Committee members including Keith Joseph, Xavier Hansen, Curtis Warren, Frank Bright.) ********************************************************************** As uniting basis of our campaign, we are agreed to uphold and fight for the platform of Community Control as determined through results of our door-to-door survey. In our '00 election year strategy, we have agreed to challenge for city council, as against a political machine that has for decades defeated every opposition it has faced. Rather it has expanded to send machine boss/former mayor Cahill uncle, John Lynch, to the New Jersey Senate where he rose to Senate President under the Democratic Florio administration--the 2nd ranking Democrat in New Jersey. Parallel opportunist Sucker Soaries of New Brunswick/Franklin 1st Baptist Church--turned whore after the 1991 N.B. police murder of resident Shaun Potts. "Keeper of the Shaun Potts Tree" Soaries parlayed his hustle into nazi-Whitman's administration where he's now N.J. Secretary of State, to smooth tension from jack-booted State Police storm-trooper "profiling", "drug-war" agression. This political machine crafted with the best urban development strategists FBI/COINTELPRO methods/experience that Johnson&Johnson's $25 billion annual revenue/international network can impose. As was put to me, "We are against a juggernaut." Can there be any question whatever that our Peoples' Platform for Community Control is in complete contradiction fo J&J,etc.'s imperialist, murderous stranglehold which it maintains through an experienced, financed political machine? The same political machine that ran Amiri Baraka and others from the Rutgers faculty, that purged student activists, that drove Assata Shakur from the country (didn't Cahill molest Shakur when she was the only woman locked in the cellar of Middlesex County Courthouse?). Can anyone who supports our platform have any question that its victory depends entirely on the overthrow of Bosses Cahill&Lynch, of their appointments Beltranena&Larkin, and the complete defeat of their political machine? But these questions exist inside our campaign. More dangerous than Bright Frank McCarthy's compassionate conservativism, narrow Jim Luceno's armchair revolutionaries, NJFO's constant sabotage of the elected board of education campaign, more dangerous is a "Peoples' Candidate" who "invents" issues that come more from Nancy Reagan than community responses to our surveys. (Where was "Drug Problem" in our top 5? 10? 20?) Why? To "invent" Traitor Soaries solution of co-operating with J&J to solve them. (Who by J&J is the biggest drug producer & distributor in New Brunswick?) (Never mind the N.B. police!!) Our campaign calls to organize the people to Seize Power! to solve our own problems as we see them. Curtis Warren, who suddenly announces himself not as bus driver, janitor, maintenance, handyman, laborer, etc., but security for snake Soaries' 1st Bobo Church, and Missionary of God, minutes after accepting his candidacy as Peoples' Representative, hedges his bet. Professing "Unite, Organize, Seize Power!" to the convention, Curtis "Say Sellout" Warren switched once bleating to the HomeNewsTribune "But we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here to do better." Nope, Curtis, can't get that. We want community control vs. imperialism. Not Jr. Soaries' slick talk. Confidence in Curtis? We got nada. "First it is absolutely necessary that Revolutionaries and all Anti-Imperialists, Radicals, and Progressive people UNITE in an all peoples' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces in Government, Politics, Wall Street, Media, Academia, Institutions, Organizations!" Amiri Baraka, Unity&Struggle, April 2000. You want it, come get it. My dogs is with it. Block on Lock Revolutionaries Unite! Win the Advanced to Communism! June, 2000 Cliff Smith Joe Smith Nestor Valdez Jason Hankins Samantha Prince--name withdrawn.
New Brunswick Supports Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA Development. After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with not a single worker from the community! We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, Resident Housing Authority! The people need More Democracy, Not Less! Union Jobs! Community Employment! Affordable Housing! Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy Contact Joe Smith 729.0390 can_bush@...
Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions right about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to say that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue to explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many working class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too long ago that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As we've agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, etc. on the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. & to the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely counter to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, not-about-to-be-reformed Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this to you: The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the more that self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy Adams.) Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your resources directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about being self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our lay-out and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the definitive relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to AB, try to organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good luck with the Union/housing battle. -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: cliffsmith69@... Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 New Brunswick Supports Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA Development. After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with not a single worker from the community! We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, Resident Housing Authority! The people need More Democracy, Not Less! Union Jobs! Community Employment! Affordable Housing! Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy Contact Joe Smith 729.0390 can_bush@... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
my bad. rally was mainly organized by republican frank bright who was illegally selected for the NB housing authority in violation of federal law that states residents of public housing must be selected to local housing authority boards. at the time bright was selected no resident sat on the board, thus making his appointed from trenton illegal. there are snakes among us - it is a show of the peoples organization against the racist vicous right wing republicans that bright could not even sign his name and organization to the literature about the rally. community control over housing! demand and win an all elected residents controlled housing authority! bury schundler! kiss my ass dim! joe smith >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, >RUGreens@yahoogroups.com, amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >CC: barron58@..., NB_CC_TF@yahoogroups.com, orchid731@..., >zosha@... >Subject: [RUGreens] Demand Community Control Over Redevelopment >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 14:24:48 -0400 > >Jobs for NB residents!! > >Rally Monday Morning 10:00am >NB Projects Neilson Street > >Rally is being organized by union that is going to war with the NB Housing >Authority and their "rat contract" with the developers of the projects. >These developers have been exposed as illegally removing aspestos and for >not hiring any city residents to work this contract. >There have been fliers posted throughout the Remsen Ave area of town (at >least) on cars and in peoples windows by the rally organizers. This is a >tremendous opportunity to join a working class defensive with regards to >J&J's Fascist Redevelopment. > >contact joe smith for more info >732.586.5535 >can_bush@... > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe, Once again you are misinformed. Best,
BUILD A BRIGHTER FUTURE!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote:
> New Brunswick Supports
> Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing!
While I have no objections to many of the sentiments expressed here,
provided the information is accurate (about non-union labor, I have
to ask whether it's correct (or morally acceptable) to call the
gentrification of downtown New Brunswick -- quote -- "J&J's genocidal
ethnic cleansing of downtown New Brunswick".
First, obviously, as someone who's read Marx, you must realize that
you're completely tossing away the concept of social class in
analyzing the issue. For example, it's quite painfully obvious that
problems surrounding the Memorial Homes are a matter of socioeconomic
class. If the majority of the people in the projects were white,
there might have been differences in the conduct of the city, but the
city's course of action would have been fundamentally the same.
And as for characterizing it as not just centered on race or
ethnicity, but "genocidal": this is a ludicrous relativization of
the very term "genocide". Are you really not willing to make a
conceptual and/or moral distinction between the genocidal imperialism
of the Spanish in South America in the 16th century, or the Armenian
genocide of 1912?, and ... the housing policies of a small city in
New Jersey? Do you really want the word "genocide" to lose its
resonance, to become effectively meaningless?
Yours,
Jeremy
>
> We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor,
> organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New
> Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA
> Development.
>
> After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the ?
elimination
> of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no
> replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the
> people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has
> given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer,
with
> not a single worker from the community!
>
> We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and
for
> community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected,
> Resident Housing Authority!
>
> The people need More Democracy, Not Less!
>
> Union Jobs!
> Community Employment!
> Affordable Housing!
>
>
>
> Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
>
> Contact Joe Smith
> 729.0390
> can_bush@h...
Nice try, Matt. You make good points. But after all this you surely know the SWORD will always draw blood and water. Paul --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions right > about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to say > that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue to > explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the > Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many working > class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too long ago > that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As we've > agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, etc. on > the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not > Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. & to > the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely counter > to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, not-about-to-be-reformed > Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this to you: > The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the more that > self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy Adams.) > > Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your resources > directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about being > self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our lay-out > and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the definitive > relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to AB, try to > organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good luck > with the Union/housing battle. > > -Matt > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: cliffsmith69@h... > Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y... > To: coalitionforjustice@y... > Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > New Brunswick Supports > Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > > We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > Development. > > After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination > of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the > people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has > given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with > not a single worker from the community! > > We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for > community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, > Resident Housing Authority! > > The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > Union Jobs! > Community Employment! > Affordable Housing! > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > Contact Joe Smith > 729.0390 > can_bush@h... > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Below I've retyped a short article from yesterday's Star-Ledger, 7/10/01, page 59. Law & Order: Edison: "Vandalism at Pathmark shows signs of racism" Edison: Detectives are investigating several vandlism incidents at a Route 1 supermarket they believe have anti-Semitic and anti-black overtones, police Detective Joesph Shannon said yesterday. Employees at Pathmark in Wick Plaza on Route 1 south told police they discovered Ku Klux Klan sticker in a grocery order she was bagging for a customer. Then, last week, a customer told the Pathmark manager that a swastika had been drawn in ink on a carton of Hebrew soup mix that was in a store aisle, police said. The police department is treating the incidents as bias crimes, and police Lt. Robert Dudash is investigating. Anyone with information about the crimes can call Dudash at (732) 248-7472. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is like fresh air. while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own responsibility for curtis' republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the CAPB, from which you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working class activists & revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now? you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only "not put out warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to be republican, created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact yrselves embraced republican partying. which of curtis' "democratic tendencies" did we not embrace? we are happy to join w/ anyone as soon as they renounce the republican party. & will even make use of many loyal republicans! recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the republican party, rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal marks like yrself to con. "finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious about being self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the absence of the paper)? "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD" we stand ready to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle through our differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our involvement (& even, apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above board, state yr reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper. scientific socialists dismiss "luck". unite, don't split cliff >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: amirib@... >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions right >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to say >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue to >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many working >class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too long ago >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As we've >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, etc. on >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. & >to >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely >counter >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, not-about-to-be-reformed >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this to you: >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the more that >self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy Adams.) > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your resources >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about >being >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our lay-out >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the >definitive >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to AB, try >to >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good luck >with the Union/housing battle. > >-Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: cliffsmith69@... >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > >New Brunswick Supports >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA >Development. > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with >not a single worker from the community! > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, >Resident Housing Authority! > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > >Union Jobs! >Community Employment! >Affordable Housing! > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > >Contact Joe Smith >729.0390 >can_bush@... > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
" If the majority of the people in the projects were white, " in what world are you living? "the housing policies of a small city" these "policies" are federal, national, & international--genocide. cliff >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: support laborers' union! >Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:50:55 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote: > > New Brunswick Supports > > Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > >While I have no objections to many of the sentiments expressed here, >provided the information is accurate (about non-union labor, I have >to ask whether it's correct (or morally acceptable) to call the >gentrification of downtown New Brunswick -- quote -- "J&J's genocidal >ethnic cleansing of downtown New Brunswick". > >First, obviously, as someone who's read Marx, you must realize that >you're completely tossing away the concept of social class in >analyzing the issue. For example, it's quite painfully obvious that >problems surrounding the Memorial Homes are a matter of socioeconomic >class. If the majority of the people in the projects were white, >there might have been differences in the conduct of the city, but the >city's course of action would have been fundamentally the same. > >And as for characterizing it as not just centered on race or >ethnicity, but "genocidal": this is a ludicrous relativization of >the very term "genocide". Are you really not willing to make a >conceptual and/or moral distinction between the genocidal imperialism >of the Spanish in South America in the 16th century, or the Armenian >genocide of 1912?, and ... the housing policies of a small city in >New Jersey? Do you really want the word "genocide" to lose its >resonance, to become effectively meaningless? > >Yours, > >Jeremy > > > > > > > We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > > organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > > Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > > Development. > > > > After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the ? >elimination > > of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > > replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the > > people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has > > given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, >with > > not a single worker from the community! > > > > We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and >for > > community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, > > Resident Housing Authority! > > > > The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > > > Union Jobs! > > Community Employment! > > Affordable Housing! > > > > > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > Contact Joe Smith > > 729.0390 > > can_bush@h... > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
good work, paul. didnt understand yr reply to matthew. cs >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: redcollective@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] fascist symbols in Edison-SL 7/10 >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:21 -0000 > >Below I've retyped a short article from yesterday's Star-Ledger, 7/10/01, >page 59. > >Law & Order: Edison: > >"Vandalism at Pathmark shows signs of racism" > >Edison: Detectives are investigating several vandlism incidents at a Route >1 supermarket they believe have anti-Semitic and anti-black overtones, >police Detective Joesph Shannon said yesterday. > >Employees at Pathmark in Wick Plaza on Route 1 south told police they >discovered Ku Klux Klan sticker in a grocery order she was bagging for a >customer. > >Then, last week, a customer told the Pathmark manager that a swastika had >been drawn in ink on a carton of Hebrew soup mix that was in a store aisle, >police said. The police department is treating the incidents as bias >crimes, and police Lt. Robert Dudash is investigating. Anyone with >information about the crimes can call Dudash at (732) 248-7472. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
In my response to Matthew, I was calling the cycle of behaviors exhibited on this and other boards pathological. I'm gonna leave it at that. Paul --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > good work, paul. > > didnt understand yr reply to matthew. > > cs > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: redcollective@y..., nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] fascist symbols in Edison-SL 7/10 > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:21 -0000 > > > >Below I've retyped a short article from yesterday's Star-Ledger, 7/10/01, > >page 59. > > > >Law & Order: Edison: > > > >"Vandalism at Pathmark shows signs of racism" > > > >Edison: Detectives are investigating several vandlism incidents at a Route > >1 supermarket they believe have anti-Semitic and anti-black overtones, > >police Detective Joesph Shannon said yesterday. > > > >Employees at Pathmark in Wick Plaza on Route 1 south told police they > >discovered Ku Klux Klan sticker in a grocery order she was bagging for a > >customer. > > > >Then, last week, a customer told the Pathmark manager that a swastika had > >been drawn in ink on a carton of Hebrew soup mix that was in a store aisle, > >police said. The police department is treating the incidents as bias > >crimes, and police Lt. Robert Dudash is investigating. Anyone with > >information about the crimes can call Dudash at (732) 248-7472. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i e-mailed it to myself the title became such) which was written in response to david horowitz's 10 reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at rutger's last semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is it? do you agree that your boss should rob you? i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it that u do? you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such basis. you say: "Politics must lead production not the other way around." the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else needs to be done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept of u&s is to unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! not to sit in meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both know your practice is out to lunch... keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate yourself from more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you organize. if i didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt had cancelled, i don't see reason that there would be any production going on at all. the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the republicans in the peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been rectified. nor have you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things impossible to deny about your affiliation with such alliances with republicans. what is your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is dim is on the housing authority - that is your bag. you say: "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear ideological leadership and bad political line which came to head in the People's Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical line." but what are you going to do? who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans must be removed and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign because in fact the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to the peoples productive development? joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is like fresh >air." > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I think Matt's >meaning is that >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own responsibility for >curtis' > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the CAPB, from >which > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working class activists >& > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear ideological >leadership >and bad political line which came to head in the People's Campaign with >support for >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and a lack of >any >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only "not put out > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to be >republican, > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact yrselves >embraced > > republican partying" > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on numerous >occassions > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the republican >party, > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal marks like > > yrself to con." > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to be in line >with the >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and even the most >extreme right >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated Foster as >their VP an >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us something about >the >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well as black >nationalism) > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious about being > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the absence of >the > > paper)?" > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to me that you >feel that >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was "exploitative" > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD" we stand >ready > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle through our > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our involvement (& >even, > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above board, state >yr > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion make joint >editorial work >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of style. I have a >hard time >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance and also a >hard time >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those are >ultra-ultra left >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing ideology see >Mussolini, G. >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint editorial work >is >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. That is we >don't agree on >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub heading the >inability to >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an organiztaion >whose >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we wasted mor >than one >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that continue >would have been >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on production and in >fact the last >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made it clear >that anything >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an exploititive >relationship. Since >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are we interested >in having >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship or lack of >one is on >you. > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of a joke. Joe >Smith >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this accusation in his >essay "Let the >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM articles to lay >out >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same muddled super >subjective >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his own >subjectyivty to the >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity (see also above >"working >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was expelled and >numerous >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff believes that >not only >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working class) > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the issue of the >paper and >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version of the "office >space >community center club house" line. That is placing production and the >productive >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the political line >of the >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new and improved >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that stated white >workers need >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in putting out >that >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political lines >endorsing >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way around. >Production >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence of economism >(see "What >is To be done") > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S editorial >board than >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board then first >we must come >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd SWORD believes >that helping >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to exploit >anyones >resources. > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at present or >predicted >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > unite, don't split > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its subordination >to party >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without >restrictions. >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to expel >memers who >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of speech >and of the >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be complete >too..." >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected Works Volume 10 >p.47) > >Keith > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >CC: amirib@... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions >right > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to >say > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue to > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many working > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too long >ago > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As we've > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, etc. >on > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. >& > > >to > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely > > >counter > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, not-about-to-be-reformed > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this to >you: > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the more >that > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy >Adams.) > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your >resources > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about > > >being > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our >lay-out > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the > > >definitive > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to AB, >try > > >to > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good >luck > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > > >Development. > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for > > >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, > > >Resident Housing Authority! > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > > > > >Union Jobs! > > >Community Employment! > > >Affordable Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith > > >729.0390 > > >can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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the sabotage has been for over five years! keith has been the head of it (from the edit board) as well others apart of it matthew, flavier, mark, tracy, kristina, tom, stacy, bill, aaron... yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes >From: Julie Poulos <juliepoulos@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [njfo] Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) > >!!!!!!!!! > >--- Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> wrote: > > >and we wasted > > mor than one > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > continue would have been > > the actual sabatage > > > > Keith > > >and we wasted > > mor than one > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > continue would have been > > the actual sabatage > > > > Keith > > >and we wasted > > mor than one > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > continue would have been > > the actual sabatage > > > > Keith > > >and we wasted > > mor than one > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > continue would have been > > the actual sabatage > > > > Keith > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
what is unsubstantiated? the only allegations i see are you connecting me to cointelpro. why don't you put that in your paper and see how far your distribution goes outside your front door? comprende? >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] SHANK schundler >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:08:58 -0500 > >Joe, >You are making strong allegations. You should at least try to substantiate >them. >Otherwise you are manure for cointelpro. > >joseph smith wrote: > > > the sabotage has been for over five years! keith has been the head of it > > (from the edit board) as well others apart of it matthew, flavier, mark, > > tracy, kristina, tom, stacy, bill, aaron... > > > > yes yes yes > > > > yes yes yes > > > > yes yes yes > > > > yes yes yes > > > > yes yes yes > > > > yes yes yes > > > > >From: Julie Poulos <juliepoulos@...> > > >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [njfo] Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >!!!!!!!!! > > > > > >--- Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> wrote: > > > > > > >and we wasted > > > > mor than one > > > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > > > continue would have been > > > > the actual sabatage > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > >and we wasted > > > > mor than one > > > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > > > continue would have been > > > > the actual sabatage > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > >and we wasted > > > > mor than one > > > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > > > continue would have been > > > > the actual sabatage > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > >and we wasted > > > > mor than one > > > > entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that > > > > continue would have been > > > > the actual sabatage > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Reperations for the multi-national working class!! break that down >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > >Joe, >you wrote: > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i e-mailed it to >myself > > the title became such) which was written in response to david horowitz's >10 > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at rutger's last > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is it? do you >agree > > that your boss should rob you?" > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss robbing me or any >boss >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You are confusing >two >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are repeartions for >chattel slavery. >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the multi-national >working >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers throughout the >U&S got >repartions along with afro-american workers then the relationship would not >change.You >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism. > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it that u do?" > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class organization. >If you are >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you. > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such basis." > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to. > > > you say: > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around." > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it. > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else needs to >be > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept of u&s is to > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! not to sit >in > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both know your > > practice is out to lunch... > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively very >specificly in the >piece to whihc you responded. >the issue is: >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit board is >one trend. >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your brother. > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working relationship >that you >feel is non-exploitative. > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". If this were >the case >than why would you be so eager to unite with it? > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate yourself from > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you organize. if >i > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt had >cancelled, i > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on at all. > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice. > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to be in town on >the >original date and you came to that meeting >. >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of yrself. " i >don't see >reason that there would be any production going on at all." Are you also >actaully the >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose behalf all >people are >acting? > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the republicans in >the > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been rectified. nor >have > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things impossible to > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with republicans. what >is > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is dim is on the > > housing authority - that is your bag. > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your proposal for >rectification >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you. >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from the >organization and >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I think that >it is more >important that the majority of people involved with the camapign understand >what is >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just be repeated >(maybe >with an ultra-left cover). > > > > > you say: > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear >ideological > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the People's > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an anti-republican > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical line." > > > but what are you going to do? > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again maybe I'm >blinded by >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply above. > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans must be >removed > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign because in >fact > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to the >peoples > > productive development? > >I think that this is the same again. >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive development"? > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is a little >lengthy, I >would reiterate this point as being central: > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit board is a >single >trend. >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your brother. > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working relationship >that you >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not possible until >there is a >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship is termed >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have made more >than one >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you. > >Keith > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is like fresh > > >air." > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I think Matt's > > >meaning is that > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own responsibility for > > >curtis' > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the CAPB, from > > >which > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working class >activists > > >& > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear >ideological > > >leadership > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's Campaign with > > >support for > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and a lack >of > > >any > > >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only "not put >out > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to be > > >republican, > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact yrselves > > >embraced > > > > republican partying" > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on numerous > > >occassions > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the republican > > >party, > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal marks >like > > > > yrself to con." > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to be in >line > > >with the > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and even the >most > > >extreme right > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated Foster as > > >their VP an > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us something >about > > >the > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well as black > > >nationalism) > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious about >being > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the absence >of > > >the > > > > paper)?" > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to me that >you > > >feel that > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was >"exploitative" > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD" we stand > > >ready > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle through >our > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our involvement >(& > > >even, > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above board, >state > > >yr > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > > > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion make joint > > >editorial work > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of style. I have >a > > >hard time > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance and also >a > > >hard time > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those are > > >ultra-ultra left > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing ideology see > > >Mussolini, G. > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint editorial >work > > >is > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. That is we > > >don't agree on > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub heading the > > >inability to > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an >organiztaion > > >whose > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we wasted >mor > > >than one > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that continue > > >would have been > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on production and in > > >fact the last > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made it clear > > >that anything > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an exploititive > > >relationship. Since > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are we >interested > > >in having > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship or lack >of > > >one is on > > >you. > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of a joke. >Joe > > >Smith > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this accusation in his > > >essay "Let the > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM articles to >lay > > >out > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same muddled >super > > >subjective > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his own > > >subjectyivty to the > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity (see also >above > > >"working > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was expelled >and > > >numerous > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff believes >that > > >not only > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working class) > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the issue of >the > > >paper and > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version of the >"office > > >space > > >community center club house" line. That is placing production and the > > >productive > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the political >line > > >of the > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new and >improved > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that stated >white > > >workers need > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in putting >out > > >that > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political lines > > >endorsing > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way around. > > >Production > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence of >economism > > >(see "What > > >is To be done") > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S editorial > > >board than > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board then >first > > >we must come > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd SWORD >believes > > >that helping > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to exploit > > >anyones > > >resources. > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at present >or > > >predicted > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > > > > > unite, don't split > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its >subordination > > >to party > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without > > >restrictions. > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to >expel > > >memers who > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of >speech > > >and of the > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be >complete > > >too..." > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected Works >Volume 10 > > >p.47) > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >CC: amirib@... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions > > >right > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong >to > > >say > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue >to > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many >working > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too >long > > >ago > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As >we've > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, >etc. > > >on > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic >tendencies. > > >& > > > > >to > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run >completely > > > > >counter > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, >not-about-to-be-reformed > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this >to > > >you: > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the >more > > >that > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy > > >Adams.) > > > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your > > >resources > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious >about > > > > >being > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our > > >lay-out > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the > > > > >definitive > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to >AB, > > >try > > > > >to > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good > > >luck > > > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > > > > >Development. > > > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the >elimination > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, >with > > > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and >for > > > > >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, > > > > >Resident Housing Authority! > > > > > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > > > > > > > > >Union Jobs! > > > > >Community Employment! > > > > >Affordable Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith > > > > >729.0390 > > > > >can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Spread the word- This is the difinitive source for up-to-date info on the struggle to liberate Vieques...to subscribe to the list, I believe you can send a message to: viequeslibre-subscribe@... Otherwise, check out their website below. -Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Vieques Libre" <viequeslibre@...> To: List Member <vivaohio@...> Subject: Vieques en foro de contaminaci�n militar--Vieques at military contamination forum Date: 14 Jul 2001 01:59:18 -0000 Vieques Libre - http://www.viequeslibre.org --------------------------- ListBot Sponsor -------------------------- Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [SCROLL DOWN FOR ENGLISH] COMIT� PRO RESCATE Y DESARROLLO DE VIEQUES (Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques) Apartado 1424 Vieques, Puerto 00765 Tel. (787) 741-0716 E mail: bieke@... 12 de julio de 2001 -- COMMUNICADO DE PRENSA Vieques tema en foro nacional (EU) sobre contaminaci�n militar Dos miembros del Comit� Pro Rescate y Desarrollo de Vieques (CPRDV) participar�n en un foro sobre la descontaminaci�n de facilidades federales del Instituto de Estudios Cient�ficos e Interdisciplinarios (ISIS) de la Universidad de Amherst en Massachusetts, del 13 al 15 de este mes. Robert Rabin y Nilda Medina presentar�n el caso de Vieques en el foro coordinado por el Proyecto de Descontaminaci�n Militar de ISIS que contar� con la participaci�n de comunidades afectadas por la contaminaci�n militar en varios lugares de los Estados Unidos. Oficiales estatales y federales, cient�ficos independientes, comunidades cercanas a bases militares u otras facilidades federales contaminantes, dialogar�n sobre la participaci�n ciudadana en los procesos de limpieza ambiental de las facilidades del Departamento de Energ�a (Federal) y del Departamento de la Defensa. El taller se organiza para examinar el papel de los ciudadanos, los profesionales, expertos t�cnicos, representantes del gobierno, las agencias reguladoras del ambiente y las universidades en el proceso de la descontaminaci�n. ISIS utilizar� la informaci�n del taller para crear una Red Nacional de Expertos T�cnicos para proveer servicios t�cnicos a las comunidades en el proceso de la descontaminaci�n. "Queremos compartir la situaci�n de Vieques con otras comunidades afectadas por la contaminaci�n militar para poder ayudarnos mutuamente en el largo proceso de limpieza. La Marina de Guerra de EU en Vieques ha causado un desastre ecol�gico en la zona de bombardeo y en otros lugares contaminados por m�s de medio siglo de actividad militar," se�al� Nilda Medina. Durante la conferencia, la luchadora contra la presencia militar en Vieques hablar� sobre la desobediencia civil como estrategia para terminar con las pr�cticas destructoras de la Marina. Por su parte, Rab�n mencion� que aprovechar�n la presencia de activistas de todas partes de los Estados Unidos para ampliar la red de apoyo para la lucha viequense. Entre los invitados especiales al foro es el Senador Dem�crata de Massachusetts, Edward Kennedy, t�o del Lcdo. Robert Kennedy Jr., encarcelado actualmente por su participaci�n en la desobediencia civil en Vieques. Otros oficiales pol�ticos de Massachusetts y de las agencias federales ambientales estar�n presentes durante la actividad de tres d�as. (FAVOR DE ESCRIBIRLES A NUESTROS PRISONEROS POR LA PAZ DE VIEQUES. NOMBRES, N�MEROS Y DIRECCION POSTAL DISPONIBLE EN: viequeslibre.org) ============================================== ENGLISH VERSION COMIT� PRO RESCATE Y DESARROLLO DE VIEQUES (Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques) Apartado 1424 Vieques, Puerto 00765 Tel. (787) 741-0716 E mail: bieke@... 12 July, 2001 -- Press Release Vieques topic at national (US) forum on military contamination Two members of the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques (CRDV) will participate in a major workshop on cleanup of federal sites, hosted by the Military Waste Cleanup Project of the Institute for Science and Interdisciplinary Studies (ISIS) from the 13th to the 15th of this month. Robert Rabin and Nilda Medina will present the case of Vieques at the forum that will include the participation of communities affected by military contamination throughout the US. State and federal officials, independent scientists, citizen�s groups from communities close to military bases and other contaminating federal facilities, will dialogue about community participation in the clean up process related to Department of Energy and Department of Defense operations. The workshop will examine the role of citizens, professionals, technical experts, government representatives, regulatory agencies and university professors in the process of environmental clean up. "We want to share the situation of Vieques with other communities affected by military contamination to be able to help each other in the long project of clean up. The US Navy has created an ecological disaster in the bombing zone and other areas contaminated through more than half a century of military activity," said Nilda Medina. During the conference, the activist against the military presence in Vieques will speak on the civil disobedience as a strategy to end the Navy�s destructive practices. Rabin, for his part, said he will take advantage of the presence at the workshop of activists from all over the US, to build up the netwook of support groups for the Vieques cause. Among the special participants at the forum will be Democratic senator from Massachusetts, Edward Kennedy, whose nephew, Robert Kennedy, Jr., is currently jailed for his participation in civil disobedience actions on Vieques. Other Massachusetts elected officials and representatives form federal environmental agencies will be present at the three day activity. (PLEASE WRITE TO OUR PRISONERS FOR PEACE ON VIEQUES. NAMES, NUMBERS AND ADRESS AVAILABLE AT: viequeslibre.org) ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to viequeslibre-unsubscribe@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
? >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] fascist symbols in Edison-SL 7/10 >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:21:19 -0000 > >In my response to Matthew, I was calling the cycle of behaviors >exhibited on this and other boards pathological. I'm gonna leave it >at that. Paul > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > > good work, paul. > > > > didnt understand yr reply to matthew. > > > > cs > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: redcollective@y..., nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] fascist symbols in Edison-SL 7/10 > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:43:21 -0000 > > > > > >Below I've retyped a short article from yesterday's Star-Ledger, >7/10/01, > > >page 59. > > > > > >Law & Order: Edison: > > > > > >"Vandalism at Pathmark shows signs of racism" > > > > > >Edison: Detectives are investigating several vandlism incidents at >a Route > > >1 supermarket they believe have anti-Semitic and anti-black overtones, > > >police Detective Joesph Shannon said yesterday. > > > > > >Employees at Pathmark in Wick Plaza on Route 1 south told police they > > >discovered Ku Klux Klan sticker in a grocery order she was bagging >for a > > >customer. > > > > > >Then, last week, a customer told the Pathmark manager that a >swastika had > > >been drawn in ink on a carton of Hebrew soup mix that was in a >store aisle, > > >police said. The police department is treating the incidents as bias > > >crimes, and police Lt. Robert Dudash is investigating. Anyone with > > >information about the crimes can call Dudash at (732) 248-7472. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
there are apparently several points of disagreement. & i think some points of agreement. the question is how to move forward toward resolution through disagreements. this is the function a newspaper shd play in uniting revolutionary circles toward a national organization of revolutionaries. for instance, we have maintained consistent debate, discussion, &tc., on these message boards, i think productively, overall. but these boards, & the dialogue are out of reach of the community. these same exchanges, arguments, alliances... shd be in a form accessible to the people--thru a newspaper. these disagreements shd be brought to the people, which is where they will be finally resolved. we claim agreement to unite revolutionaries! win the advanced to communism! end imperialism, &tc. if we disagree over "reparations", or "woman question", we shd summarize our views and publish them, also summarize our criticisms and suggestions toward resolution, as we promote also what we agree on. we are not afraid of open debate. we are not afraid of different ideas of what is revolutionary, & let the best one win. unless U&S wants to say that we are not revolutionary, & then we can take that to the street. but you cant say its on us as we are not afraid to work with you, rather... yr "politics not production" angle is disingenuous, if not dishonest. what is political theory if not put to practice? what is an editorial staff with no paper? the question is not vacant production for its own sake, as you imply, but production of peoples' organization, the application/realization of revolutionary "politics". otherwise there is no "politics", except in the mind of self-appointed, lazy "leaders". re: "reparations", i have asked a couple of times for a specific definition from U&S. what exactly do you mean by the term? how do you define it to apply exclusively to question of national oppression, to the "reform" of chattel slavery? possibly i do not understand the word as you do... to me "reparations" is a general term to connote "amendment for wrongdoing" & has broad application, which is not to deny that some "application" to "amend" certain "wrongdoing" is primary against others in the anti-imperialist struggle, e.g. "reparation" to the black nation. but how is the term defined to apply to only one social relation? re: "woman question", how does U&S consider classifying women as a "gender", not a "sex", to be marxist, or even bourgeois biology? where is U&S' "marxist" program for women? as you are quick to knock "sisterhood & struggle", which promotes revolutionary democracy, anti-imperialism, and marxism. apparently you oppose women's organization as such, tho you (occasionally) claim that women are oppressed. how do you explain this? how does the existence of sold-out women eliminate the fact of women's sexual oppression? does the existence of clarence thomas mean there is no black national oppression? do you dismiss "black nia force" as "anti-marxist" petty "limitations"? but these arguments have significance & shd be sorted out, openly, before & among the masses. "freedom of association", that's yr prerogative. but the point is to organize. to neglect any productive contribution is to oppose organization, which is to sabotage. my boss is better able to organize workers who "disagree" with, "distrust" and "dislike" each other than the self-appointed "revolutionary" "leadership" who claim "unity". "clarity of ideas, unity among comrades" --mao cliff >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is like fresh >air." > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I think Matt's >meaning is that >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own responsibility for >curtis' > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the CAPB, from >which > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working class activists >& > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear ideological >leadership >and bad political line which came to head in the People's Campaign with >support for >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and a lack of >any >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only "not put out > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to be >republican, > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact yrselves >embraced > > republican partying" > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on numerous >occassions > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the republican >party, > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal marks like > > yrself to con." > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to be in line >with the >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and even the most >extreme right >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated Foster as >their VP an >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us something about >the >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well as black >nationalism) > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious about being > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the absence of >the > > paper)?" > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to me that you >feel that >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was "exploitative" > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD" we stand >ready > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle through our > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our involvement (& >even, > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above board, state >yr > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion make joint >editorial work >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of style. I have a >hard time >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance and also a >hard time >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those are >ultra-ultra left >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing ideology see >Mussolini, G. >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint editorial work >is >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. That is we >don't agree on >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub heading the >inability to >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an organiztaion >whose >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we wasted mor >than one >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that continue >would have been >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on production and in >fact the last >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made it clear >that anything >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an exploititive >relationship. Since >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are we interested >in having >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship or lack of >one is on >you. > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of a joke. Joe >Smith >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this accusation in his >essay "Let the >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM articles to lay >out >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same muddled super >subjective >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his own >subjectyivty to the >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity (see also above >"working >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was expelled and >numerous >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff believes that >not only >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working class) > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the issue of the >paper and >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version of the "office >space >community center club house" line. That is placing production and the >productive >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the political line >of the >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new and improved >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that stated white >workers need >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in putting out >that >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political lines >endorsing >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way around. >Production >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence of economism >(see "What >is To be done") > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S editorial >board than >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board then first >we must come >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd SWORD believes >that helping >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to exploit >anyones >resources. > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at present or >predicted >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > unite, don't split > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its subordination >to party >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without >restrictions. >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to expel >memers who >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of speech >and of the >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be complete >too..." >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected Works Volume 10 >p.47) > >Keith > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >CC: amirib@... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions >right > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to >say > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue to > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many working > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too long >ago > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As we've > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, etc. >on > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. >& > > >to > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely > > >counter > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, not-about-to-be-reformed > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this to >you: > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the more >that > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy >Adams.) > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your >resources > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about > > >being > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our >lay-out > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the > > >definitive > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to AB, >try > > >to > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good >luck > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > > >Development. > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for > > >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, > > >Resident Housing Authority! > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > > > > >Union Jobs! > > >Community Employment! > > >Affordable Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith > > >729.0390 > > >can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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explain, please: why is "reparations" exclusively specific to chattel slavery & national oppression? tho these are no doubt primary over narrow class struggle. if the multinational working class got class reparations, as oppressed nations get national reparations, and women, sexual reparations, in their differing forms & according to priority of oppression (sex, nation, class), how wd this impede multinational unity? the demand for reparations for class exploitation/oppression is not a demand for seizure of power, dictatorship of proletariat, & socialism. it is application of "amendment for wrongdoing", read "reparations", to unequal class relations. it reinforces, not liquidates, other claims for reparations by generalizing/popularizing the term in social consciousness. true, "ideological unity" is required to produce a revolutionary newspaper. but also not as absolute inflexible demand. else no 2 people cd ever work together. there is also need to work cooperatively through certain disagreements, toward resolution. standards, or criterion, of principles of unity shd be made specific, as seemingly was in "revolutionaries unite! win the advanced to communism!", to which what is the actual dis-unity?. blanket demand of 100% complete "ideological unity" before 1 step of practical unity is a strategy to disorganize, not organize. cliff >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > >Joe, >you wrote: > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i e-mailed it to >myself > > the title became such) which was written in response to david horowitz's >10 > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at rutger's last > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is it? do you >agree > > that your boss should rob you?" > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss robbing me or any >boss >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You are confusing >two >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are repeartions for >chattel slavery. >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the multi-national >working >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers throughout the >U&S got >repartions along with afro-american workers then the relationship would not >change.You >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism. > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it that u do?" > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class organization. >If you are >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you. > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such basis." > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to. > > > you say: > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around." > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it. > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else needs to >be > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept of u&s is to > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! not to sit >in > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both know your > > practice is out to lunch... > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively very >specificly in the >piece to whihc you responded. >the issue is: >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit board is >one trend. >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your brother. > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working relationship >that you >feel is non-exploitative. > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". If this were >the case >than why would you be so eager to unite with it? > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate yourself from > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you organize. if >i > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt had >cancelled, i > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on at all. > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice. > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to be in town on >the >original date and you came to that meeting >. >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of yrself. " i >don't see >reason that there would be any production going on at all." Are you also >actaully the >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose behalf all >people are >acting? > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the republicans in >the > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been rectified. nor >have > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things impossible to > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with republicans. what >is > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is dim is on the > > housing authority - that is your bag. > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your proposal for >rectification >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you. >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from the >organization and >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I think that >it is more >important that the majority of people involved with the camapign understand >what is >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just be repeated >(maybe >with an ultra-left cover). > > > > > you say: > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear >ideological > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the People's > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an anti-republican > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical line." > > > but what are you going to do? > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again maybe I'm >blinded by >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply above. > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans must be >removed > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign because in >fact > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to the >peoples > > productive development? > >I think that this is the same again. >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive development"? > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is a little >lengthy, I >would reiterate this point as being central: > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit board is a >single >trend. >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your brother. > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working relationship >that you >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not possible until >there is a >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship is termed >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have made more >than one >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you. > >Keith > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is like fresh > > >air." > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I think Matt's > > >meaning is that > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own responsibility for > > >curtis' > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the CAPB, from > > >which > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working class >activists > > >& > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear >ideological > > >leadership > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's Campaign with > > >support for > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and a lack >of > > >any > > >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only "not put >out > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to be > > >republican, > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact yrselves > > >embraced > > > > republican partying" > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on numerous > > >occassions > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the republican > > >party, > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal marks >like > > > > yrself to con." > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to be in >line > > >with the > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and even the >most > > >extreme right > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated Foster as > > >their VP an > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us something >about > > >the > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well as black > > >nationalism) > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious about >being > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the absence >of > > >the > > > > paper)?" > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to me that >you > > >feel that > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was >"exploitative" > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD" we stand > > >ready > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle through >our > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our involvement >(& > > >even, > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above board, >state > > >yr > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > > > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion make joint > > >editorial work > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of style. I have >a > > >hard time > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance and also >a > > >hard time > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those are > > >ultra-ultra left > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing ideology see > > >Mussolini, G. > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint editorial >work > > >is > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. That is we > > >don't agree on > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub heading the > > >inability to > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an >organiztaion > > >whose > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we wasted >mor > > >than one > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that continue > > >would have been > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on production and in > > >fact the last > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made it clear > > >that anything > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an exploititive > > >relationship. Since > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are we >interested > > >in having > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship or lack >of > > >one is on > > >you. > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of a joke. >Joe > > >Smith > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this accusation in his > > >essay "Let the > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM articles to >lay > > >out > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same muddled >super > > >subjective > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his own > > >subjectyivty to the > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity (see also >above > > >"working > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was expelled >and > > >numerous > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff believes >that > > >not only > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working class) > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the issue of >the > > >paper and > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version of the >"office > > >space > > >community center club house" line. That is placing production and the > > >productive > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the political >line > > >of the > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new and >improved > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that stated >white > > >workers need > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in putting >out > > >that > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political lines > > >endorsing > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way around. > > >Production > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence of >economism > > >(see "What > > >is To be done") > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S editorial > > >board than > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board then >first > > >we must come > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd SWORD >believes > > >that helping > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to exploit > > >anyones > > >resources. > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at present >or > > >predicted > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > > > > > unite, don't split > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its >subordination > > >to party > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, without > > >restrictions. > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free to >expel > > >memers who > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of >speech > > >and of the > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be >complete > > >too..." > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected Works >Volume 10 > > >p.47) > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >CC: amirib@... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions > > >right > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was wrong >to > > >say > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly continue >to > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many >working > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time not too >long > > >ago > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation together...As >we've > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, >etc. > > >on > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic >tendencies. > > >& > > > > >to > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run >completely > > > > >counter > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, >not-about-to-be-reformed > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say this >to > > >you: > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, the >more > > >that > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, even Sissy > > >Adams.) > > > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your > > >resources > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious >about > > > > >being > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our > > >lay-out > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as the > > > > >definitive > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk to >AB, > > >try > > > > >to > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, good > > >luck > > > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > > > > >Development. > > > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the >elimination > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, >with > > > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and >for > > > > >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, > > > > >Resident Housing Authority! > > > > > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > > > > > > > > >Union Jobs! > > > > >Community Employment! > > > > >Affordable Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith > > > > >729.0390 > > > > >can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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keith said: "When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class organization. If you are gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you." i put forward that the coalition fell apart because of its attack on working class activists. and because of the fact that it was mainly led by REPUBLICAN, "i'm gunna change the image of kahill's killer kops", Kurtis. the coalition really boiled down to nothing outside of the Keeper of the tree and the Kards he put on the table. what Keith do you put forward as to why the coalition has no working class organization 1. and 2 why "revolutionaries" would allow a REPUBLICAN to become the leading force behind a community defense organization against police brutality and murder? also when and where is the next peoples' campaing meeting? and what steps are being taken to ensure that the same "revolutionaries" don't let the REPUBLICANS take/continue dominance? joe SHANK SCHUNDLER! PEOPLES' WAR ON THE RIGHT!!-which means schundler's local REPUBLICAN base, right keith?! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > " If the majority of the people in the projects were white, " > > in what world are you living? I was pointing out the fact that 'race' and class are not the same exact thing. Very obviously. Housing projects, on their face, are a matter of class. My point above both was and wasn't intended literally. It is literally true that there are places where the majority of the very poorest residents are 'white'. Dublin, for example, or parts of East (ern) Germany. But it wasn't literal to the extent that I was making a point -- that 'race' is a component of, but not a necessary component of, the problem of gentrification and political power. > "the housing policies of a small city" > > these "policies" are federal, national, & international--genocide. > > cliff If something is _as bad_ but _different from_ genocide, ought it to be called genocide? I have already argued that it ought not to be. I dare you to provide an argument to the contrary. Again, my problem here isn't so much moral as political and analytical (it is also a kind of moral issue, though). No political struggle can be effective if it seeks to combat an ill-defined or nonexistent 'enemy'. The old story of the Left in the 1930's calling the Nazis the "open dictatorship of monopoly capitalism" is a good example -- they very obviously were not, in retrospect. (Appropriate to my example, you are basically making the opposite mistake: calling an openly capitalistic regime selfconsciously genocidal ... whereas the 3rd International called an openly genocidal regime selfconsciously capitalistic). Jeremy
Some observations ... > Ras made the point at the meeting on June 20th that the reality of yr call for > reparations for women is reparations for men as well at least to the extent that > they are married or co-habitat as in a family. That is if Lou were to get reperations > I would benifit as well. for instance. If the family is in some sense the basic 'economic unit' of society, then this is fairly obvious. In fact, someone who claims to be a Marxist should know this right off the bat. As for the idea of 'reparations for women' -- I'd argue against this if I could even figure out what it's supposed to mean. It doesn't make sense as a practical goal. But neither does it make sense as a utopian ideal "capable of informing praxis". > I think that yr insistence on the term "sex" as oppossed to "gender" is > meta-physical.(the general accusation against U&S is based on one article. And just to > remind at least those who remember of the pre-judice against U&S on this question it > was believed that the sentence on gender oppression in Revolutionaries Unite.. was > added after its intial publication, though that was not true) The opression of women > takes both forms. Sex oppression having to do with reproduction while it may be the > basis of gender oppression does not reduce to it. I would tend to think you're fundamentally in the right here. (I don't see how the opposite is even remotely arguable). If you're a Marxist, the problem is _relations of production_. Gender is relational, and thefore the real political and economic (in a variety of senses) issue. Of course, the term "oppression" is also misleading. Oppression refers to open, selfconscious force by the state, typically. Force and Power are two different concepts. If you don't accept this, modern political problems become unintelligible. (In fact, if you don't accept this, you're not a Marxist. The concept of _ideology_ depends upon the force/power distinction). > I am not against sisterhood and struggle. I don't believe that it is marxism-leninsm, > I think that it is feminism. I'm not against NOW either. > But what is SWORD's position. I don't know about Lenin's Marxism in this sense, but Marxism, if worthy of the name, is feminist. If nothing else this is because, as I said above, the Marxist conception of the family as an economic unit. (A conception ultimately inherited from Aristotle) In Reason as in Faith, Humbly Yours, J
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:35:38 EDT From: VCaffee@... To: Raritan1@... Subject: Re: EMERGENCY SITUATION Dear Friends, There's a situation going on in New Brunswick you might be able to help with: The old housing projects in the Rt. 18/Nielsen St. area are being demolished. Right now asbestos abatement is taking place using non-union, lower paid workers who don't seem to be doing the job the way it should be done. The NB Housing Authority contracted with a Philly-based firm called Community Builders to do the overall job. A sub-contractor is doing the asbestos removal, and another sub-contractor is doing the building demolishtion, which will take the form of a wrecking ball knocking down one building soon and implosion of the other three taking place on Aug. 3rd. The asbestos sub-contractor, in order to be eligible for the minority contract set-aside under affirmative action guidelines, put the company in his wife's name. It's our understanding that no people of color from NB are working on the project. The Laborers union has been outside the work site daily to help raise awareness about what's going on, while Beverly Marshall, president of the Commercial Ave. Tenants Assoc. & a member of WEC's Hazards Watch Committee, has been working with the union on this situation because there are health and safety issues involved for both the community and workers. Ted & I have recently taken a more active role in this struggle as well. There's an NB City Council meeting this Wed. at 4 p.m. (note that most city councils meet in the evening). We're trying to get people to attend to ask some pertinent questions, such as what kinds of safeguards are being used with the asbestos removal to make sure that it's done properly and the workers and community residents won't be exposed to asbestos; is there lead in the old paint, etc. in those buildings and how is it going to be removed to avoid endangering the health of community residents/workers; what's the source of water that's supposed to be used for asbestos removal and how is it being disposed so as not to contaminate the watershed, etc.; how are old refridgeration units being disposed of and the freon they contain; what kind of community notification plan is in place to notify the residents about the wrecking and implosions of the buildings, and when will every effort be made to notify residents; what kinds of measures will be put in place to ensure the health and safety of area residents and integrity of the water supply when the implosions take place; what kinds of follow-up will be done to guarantee that the site is safe after the buildings are demolished. (The old projects are located across the street from the Raritan River.) Labor people can also ask why only non-union companies are being used on this project. It would be great if you could attend. Please also spread the word about this meeting and ask others to attend. Call Ted Carrington at 732-545-1617 if you or someone you know can attend. I apologize for this late notice, but we just found out about it ourselves. Many thanks. Valorie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
what do you have to do with the platform of community control? joe >From: citruswar@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S production- lack there of... >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:16:52 EDT > >I fell sorry for you Joe! I will not feed into any of your trivial and >delusive behavior. The internet is not supposed to be used to make >slanderous and vicious remarks about each other and I will not continue to >take anything that you say seriously until your do either > >1) Act and conduct yourself like a man >2) Treat myself and the rest of the People's Campaign with respect >3) Discontinue using vile and ignorant remarks while sending e-mails > >Until then, talk to yourself, because no one else is listening! > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions right >about him & mine wrong. matt- 1. can you explain what is unfortunate? 2. can you explain exactly what your position and your interpretation of my position on curtis are and why mine is right and your's is wrong. > >To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to say that you lied about his >past. which means that you have been subserviant to a republican for years, and now comes the question of why? for the benefit of the doubt, you had thought that you had won over a working class resident to the struggle against police brutality. though through your lack of organizing a community base, or even pushing to organize a community base, you were satisfied with maintaining curtis as your example of practice - although over 1000 people marched when sissy was murdered, you were satisfied with curtis. satisfied so much so that you were expelling working class revolutionaries from the coalition. when do you plan on addressing any of this? > >However, we will certainly continue to explore the role that BOL/SWORD >played in pushing him back into the Republican fold--as we will be >struggling to win over many many working class people from the Republican >party. now here's where you might as well just hold your nose and jump off a fucking roof. please, by all means, keep me posted on your exploration of the only group that attacked curtis's republican position, as well as all republicans and all republican positions to come from within the peoples' campaign, and let me know what you turn up. you have never struggled to win over the working class from the Republican party, not even with your parents and definitely not in new brunswick where you and keith and louise organized a sabatoge of U&S while recruiting to put bright into the position of NB republican chair. interesting how you state that: "BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the Republican fold" what is that to say? that he was coming away from the Republican party? you have a certain fucked up warped head to accuse SWORD of pushing him back. you would never even know that he is a Racist Republican if not for SWORD. not only, but that you joined with bush2 and organized in bush2's organization more sucessfully than any other republicans ever in NB - HOW DOES THAT WORK TO "BE STRUGGLING TO WIN OVER MANY MANY WORKING CLASS PEOPLE FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? this you definitely need adress. > >There was a time not too long ago that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's >Black Nation together... yes, probably you need to reread such pieces and get on the streets with your ideas. > >As we've agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, >etc. on the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. 1. these agreements are only in words on behalf of yourself and keith and louise, you all still belong to an organization called the peoples' campaign that consists of Republicans - you have done nothing to rectify the situation, not one thing. and i have yet to see/hear any proposals from your behalf suggesting rectification of this situation. 2. "didn't put out warnings about Republican danger", what is it that you did? 3. "but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies." what are you talking about? > >& to the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely >counter to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, >not-about-to-be-reformed Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. i have not seen anything from curtis to substantiate anything you are saying, can you provide some detailed analysis. remember el senior is the protege of secretary of state, skunk soaries, who when shaun potts was murdered was on the scene talking about black power and qouting malcolm x while organizing protests throughout the community. > >(Curtis- I say this to you: The less distress your embrace of the >Republicans causes you, the more that self interest has won over the >interests of the people, even Sissy Adams.) matt, you better say more than that and try to make sense out of it next time. here, you can bower some phrases from me: curtis- I say this to you: you are a snake that has done nothing to serve the people. your objectives of attempting to "change the image of the Republican party" can serve no other that the scum of the earth. you bend your knees for your house and you compromise the platform of community control to promote a hidden republican agenda. waron curtis is what your name now is and as much as you promote any republican positions is as much as the wars on. the thing is matt, if you don't act in a serious manner to rectify this situation, then you have played yourself. a thorough open and above board self-criticism for your entire relationship with waron curtis is due. > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your resources >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about >being self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our >lay-out and distribution resources are readily exploited.") that is not how you stated the end of the meeting to myself. you told me that you were to get me the articles asap. why are you shy when the honest analysis comes on the table? what else are you doing but exploiting SWORD's resources with the distribution of the paper? i am all for exploiting U&S in order to build circles of revolutionaries and to win the advanced to communism. of the over 2000 issues that SWORD printed, how many has yourself, keith, and lousie distributed each? and why is it that you still continually invite maura for layout and not cliff who has explained that he can help? you should always be serious about being self-reliant, i am glad that we taught you that - but that doesn't mean that U&S should not allow for SWORD's analysis and abilities to be united with. > >As far as the definitive relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I >would say talk to AB, try to organize another sit down, do what you need to >do. what exactly does a sit down with amiri accomplish? over every major issue you have organized and accepted amiri's position to his face and then gone behind his back and sabatoged the position. ie. the last 2 presidential races and the way you sabatoged U&S's position being put forward. > >Otherwise, good luck with the Union/housing battle. certainly a fitting way to end your post... don't you think the housing battle would be much more of a progressive community effort if a resident from public housing sat in the seat the you put dim into? > >-Matt joe > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: cliffsmith69@... >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > >New Brunswick Supports >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA >Development. > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against the >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with >not a single worker from the community! > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, >Resident Housing Authority! > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > >Union Jobs! >Community Employment! >Affordable Housing! > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > >Contact Joe Smith >729.0390 >can_bush@... > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
prove this: "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional >working class- " "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually collapses the two." (hint--you cant cause its false.) reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples. cliff whens the next peoples campaign meeting? >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500 > >Joe, >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is >trotskyism. >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery for the >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and operates under >the >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among the >multi-natuional >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. It >makes no >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually collapses >the two. >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying >marxism-leninism. > >Keith > > > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!! > > > > break that down > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > > > > > >Joe, > > >you wrote: > > > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i e-mailed it >to > > >myself > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to david >horowitz's > > >10 > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at rutger's >last > > > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is it? do >you > > >agree > > > > that your boss should rob you?" > > > > > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss robbing me or >any > > >boss > > >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You are >confusing > > >two > > >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are repeartions for > > >chattel slavery. > > >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the >multi-national > > >working > > >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers throughout >the > > >U&S got > > >repartions along with afro-american workers then the relationship would >not > > >change.You > > >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism. > > > > > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it that u >do?" > > > > > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class >organization. > > >If you are > > >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you. > > > > > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such basis." > > > > > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to. > > > > > > > you say: > > > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around." > > > > > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it. > > > > > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else needs >to > > >be > > > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept of u&s >is to > > > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! not to >sit > > >in > > > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both know >your > > > > practice is out to lunch... > > > > > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively very > > >specificly in the > > >piece to whihc you responded. > > >the issue is: > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit board >is > > >one trend. > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your brother. > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working >relationship > > >that you > > >feel is non-exploitative. > > > > > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". If this >were > > >the case > > >than why would you be so eager to unite with it? > > > > > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate yourself >from > > > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you organize. >if > > >i > > > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt had > > >cancelled, i > > > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on at all. > > > > > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice. > > > > > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to be in >town on > > >the > > >original date and you came to that meeting > > >. > > >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of yrself. " i > > >don't see > > >reason that there would be any production going on at all." Are you >also > > >actaully the > > >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose behalf >all > > >people are > > >acting? > > > > > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the >republicans in > > >the > > > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been rectified. >nor > > >have > > > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things >impossible to > > > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with republicans. >what > > >is > > > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is dim is on >the > > > > housing authority - that is your bag. > > > > > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your proposal for > > >rectification > > >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you. > > >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from the > > >organization and > > >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I think >that > > >it is more > > >important that the majority of people involved with the camapign >understand > > >what is > > >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just be >repeated > > >(maybe > > >with an ultra-left cover). > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear > > >ideological > > > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the People's > > > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an >anti-republican > > > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical line." > > > > > > > but what are you going to do? > > > > > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again maybe I'm > > >blinded by > > >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply above. > > > > > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans must be > > >removed > > > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign because >in > > >fact > > > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to the > > >peoples > > > > productive development? > > > > > >I think that this is the same again. > > >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive development"? > > > > > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is a little > > >lengthy, I > > >would reiterate this point as being central: > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit board >is a > > >single > > >trend. > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your brother. > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working >relationship > > >that you > > >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not possible until > > >there is a > > >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship is >termed > > >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have made >more > > >than one > > >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you. > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > > > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is like >fresh > > > > >air." > > > > > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I think >Matt's > > > > >meaning is that > > > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > > > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own responsibility >for > > > > >curtis' > > > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the CAPB, >from > > > > >which > > > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working class > > >activists > > > > >& > > > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > > > > > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear > > >ideological > > > > >leadership > > > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's Campaign >with > > > > >support for > > > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and a >lack > > >of > > > > >any > > > > >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > > > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only "not >put > > >out > > > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to be > > > > >republican, > > > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact >yrselves > > > > >embraced > > > > > > republican partying" > > > > > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on >numerous > > > > >occassions > > > > > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the >republican > > > > >party, > > > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal >marks > > >like > > > > > > yrself to con." > > > > > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to be >in > > >line > > > > >with the > > > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and even the > > >most > > > > >extreme right > > > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated Foster >as > > > > >their VP an > > > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us something > > >about > > > > >the > > > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well as >black > > > > >nationalism) > > > > > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious >about > > >being > > > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the >absence > > >of > > > > >the > > > > > > paper)?" > > > > > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to me >that > > >you > > > > >feel that > > > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was > > >"exploitative" > > > > > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD" we >stand > > > > >ready > > > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle >through > > >our > > > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our >involvement > > >(& > > > > >even, > > > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above >board, > > >state > > > > >yr > > > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion make >joint > > > > >editorial work > > > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of style. I >have > > >a > > > > >hard time > > > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance and >also > > >a > > > > >hard time > > > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those are > > > > >ultra-ultra left > > > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing ideology >see > > > > >Mussolini, G. > > > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint >editorial > > >work > > > > >is > > > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. That is >we > > > > >don't agree on > > > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub heading >the > > > > >inability to > > > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an > > >organiztaion > > > > >whose > > > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we >wasted > > >mor > > > > >than one > > > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that >continue > > > > >would have been > > > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on production >and in > > > > >fact the last > > > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made it >clear > > > > >that anything > > > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an exploititive > > > > >relationship. Since > > > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are we > > >interested > > > > >in having > > > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship or >lack > > >of > > > > >one is on > > > > >you. > > > > > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of a >joke. > > >Joe > > > > >Smith > > > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this accusation in >his > > > > >essay "Let the > > > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM >articles to > > >lay > > > > >out > > > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same >muddled > > >super > > > > >subjective > > > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his own > > > > >subjectyivty to the > > > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity (see >also > > >above > > > > >"working > > > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was >expelled > > >and > > > > >numerous > > > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff >believes > > >that > > > > >not only > > > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working >class) > > > > > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the issue >of > > >the > > > > >paper and > > > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version of the > > >"office > > > > >space > > > > >community center club house" line. That is placing production and >the > > > > >productive > > > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the >political > > >line > > > > >of the > > > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new and > > >improved > > > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > > > > > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that stated > > >white > > > > >workers need > > > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in >putting > > >out > > > > >that > > > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political lines > > > > >endorsing > > > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way >around. > > > > >Production > > > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence of > > >economism > > > > >(see "What > > > > >is To be done") > > > > > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S >editorial > > > > >board than > > > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board then > > >first > > > > >we must come > > > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd SWORD > > >believes > > > > >that helping > > > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to >exploit > > > > >anyones > > > > >resources. > > > > > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > > > > > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at >present > > >or > > > > >predicted > > > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > > > > > > > > > unite, don't split > > > > > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its > > >subordination > > > > >to party > > > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes, >without > > > > >restrictions. > > > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also free >to > > >expel > > > > >memers who > > > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom of > > >speech > > > > >and of the > > > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be > > >complete > > > > >too..." > > > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected Works > > >Volume 10 > > > > >p.47) > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >CC: amirib@... > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your >positions > > > > >right > > > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I was >wrong > > >to > > > > >say > > > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly >continue > > >to > > > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into >the > > > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many many > > >working > > > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time not >too > > >long > > > > >ago > > > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation >together...As > > >we've > > > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican >danger, > > >etc. > > > > >on > > > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not > > > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic > > >tendencies. > > > > >& > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run > > >completely > > > > > > >counter > > > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, > > >not-about-to-be-reformed > > > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I say >this > > >to > > > > >you: > > > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes you, >the > > >more > > > > >that > > > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, even >Sissy > > > > >Adams.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your > > > > >resources > > > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more >serious > > >about > > > > > > >being > > > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though >our > > > > >lay-out > > > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far as >the > > > > > > >definitive > > > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say talk >to > > >AB, > > > > >try > > > > > > >to > > > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. Otherwise, >good > > > > >luck > > > > > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, > > > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New > > > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA > > > > > > >Development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the > > >elimination > > > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no > > > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime against >the > > > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, >has > > > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union >developer, > > >with > > > > > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! 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Can U C the Pride in the Pantha?
Can U C the pride in the pantha
as he glows in splendor and grace
toppling obstacles placed in the way
of the progression of his race
Can U C the pride in the pantha
as she nurtures her young alone
the seed must grow regardless
of the fact that its placed in stone
Can't U C the pride in the panthas
as they unify as one
the flower blooms with brilliance
and outshines the rays of the sun.
Black Woman
4 Marquita
The day I met U I saw strength
and I knew from that point on
that U were pure woman 2 me
possessing a spirit that was strong
I want smiles 2 replace the sorrow
that U have encountered in the past
and since it was strength that attracted me 2 U
it will take strength 2 make it last
My negative side will attempt 2 change U
but please fight that with your all
it will be your strength that will keep us both standing
while others around us fall
2Pac Shakur
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Joe- I will attempt to respond to your dizzying array of charges, countercharges, allegations, suppositions, suspicions, assumptions, inventions, creations, demands, and wild-eyed conclusions. But if I may take another approach because our view of history is mildly different: 1. You repeatedly charge Keith, Louise, and myself with sabbotaging U&S. This is more interesting considering we had been meeting and planning with AB to restart U&S for months before SWORD called AB to set up a meeting, disengenuously on my behalf. So we met anyway with SWORD and accomplished nothing in two or three weeks because the meetings deteriorated into bickering with SWORD over fundamental principles of democracy,& maximum/minimum demands that U&S maintains and SWORD does not. So we set up a "unity" meeting outside the editboard meetings, which was more productive & at the end of which we agreed that SWORD would help with *production.* Shortly afterwards we recieved the 2000 word polemic from Cliff. There he accused us of exploiting SWORD's resources. What does this mean to you? To me it meant that we should stop exploiting SWORD's resources. So we are becoming self-sufficient, in other words, not dependent on SWORD to produce the paper. IN other words, you didn't teach us self-reliance, you taught us not to depend on you. Don't get confused. So, this is why I didn't send you articles, or ask Cliff to do layout. As far a Maura is concerned, she has never informed me of her allegance to SWORD or your "struggle first unite later" ways. So why shouldn't she help if she decides to? AS far as the production in general, it's getting done, and a structure is being developed to sustain it on a more regular basis. Your approach to this entire issue has shown that you don't understand that *production* is subordinate to ideological unity, (so we're not going to race to scrap together a shoddy paper because SWORD has blackmailed us--"Now or else we accuse you of sabotage!")and two that *struggle* is subordinate to unity in general (I think the incident at the last Kimako's demonstrates this yet again, by picking a fight with other members of the edit board.) You need to stop blaming other people for your own errors, to start. 2. As for the Coalition: Who was subordinated to Curtis? When was Curtis leading the Coalition? When I resigned, I nominated Janis to take the helm because of her developed ideology and history with the movement before our time. (BTW--Your demands for sadistic demonstrations of public self-flogging make me feel sorry for your organization. Seriously. It reminds me of that time that I became so enraged that time that Cliff sped up and down Central Ave in his Camaro piss drunk that I decked him...and then spent the next three weeks begging for his forgiveness to the point of personal humiliation, while my requests for him to criticize his drunken driving were met with "Nobody got hurt, so I didn't endanger anyone". Keith, myself, others have repeatedly acknowledged certain errors, but SWORD continues to use them as bludgeons against us. What's the point of self-criticism if the other party doesn't accept it? (Is that why you are so reluctant to be self-critical?) So don't expect me to prostrate myself to the Priests of the Revolution for redemption...done that, been there, have the scar.) In any case, several months ago, we got into a debate about the history of the Coalition the last time you charged that we were so inactive with so little base. At that time, I listed 10 or 12 different projects taht we had going in different areas of the community. At that time you admitted that you had misjugded the Coalition. Remember, or no? The fact is that the Coaliton had been developing some very strong ties to the WC community, and our meetings were far more represented by WC folks than any other grassroots organization that I knew of at the time in NB. As for us being subordinated to Republicans, I addressed that. Our closet republican was not in the leadership, although he did a great deal to build and promote the organization, our principles, and advocate for community control over the police. These are the democtratic tendencies that I was refering to which SWORD was unable to embrace, in order to "kill the patient", as they say. So yes, this *line* did a great deal to push him further from the democratic struggle and into the arms of an awaiting Republican Party. As for the WC activists that were expelled, I know of none, except for Cliff, who was *kept* from working with the Coalition because of apparant personal issues that appeared to be negatively effecting his relationships with people around him. In other words, women in NJFO were totally afraid to work with him because of his own abuse, and as the head of the Coalition, it was my responsibility to keep THAT undemocratic element out. Of course, more recently we have discussed that while he was simultaneously being kicked out of NJFO, there were overarching political reasons for that expulsion--of which I had no knowledge at the time as the CU meetings where these decisions were made were secret--. And so, "we never this and that..." The Coalition struggled to win over working class people, period. We didn't check their party documentation on the way in. If they were down with our points of unity, that was all we required. 3. As for my relationship with my parents, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you best keep that off this public egroup, brother. 4. How many times do you want to scream about Keith and others registering Republican and supporting Bright in exchange for 30 pieces of silver and an office? It's been acknowledged and self-criticized countless times here and in the NBPC meetings, in NJFO meetings so frequently that more than half the organization split and started a new organization (so I hear). BTW- I wasn't the one to advocate to withhold the Revolutionary Democratic Line on the National Election. In fact, my main contribution to the campaign was the U&S election issue itself, which I spent 2 months working on. I watched 95% of my work toward that campaign which was geared to promote Revolutionary Democracy get trashed because the majority of NJFO no longer supported it. Then why do you keep beating your chest my way about this. You need to back off about "the way you sabatoged U&S's position being put forward." That 's an outright & blatant fabrication of the facts, friend. Like I said, I no longer subscribe to self-flogging. My Catholic days are over. But you continue to declair that *nothing* has been done to rectify any of this. Let's start with, we were the ones who forced the debate to get you & SWORD back on the People's Campaign egroup list, even before you were banned. Directly following that, we began advocating that SWORD be reinvited into the Peoples' Campaign itself, as part of the bigger argument that it was not functioning as a united front. We then *demonstrated* our willingness to attempt to build unity by meeting with SWORD in the U&S editboard meeeting. That obviously didn't work out (see #1 above for reasons) but not to say it can't in the future. But it's clear that it can't and won't this way. And what is also clear is that my experience with SWORD has taught me the fine line between advocating for it to participate in the United Front, and supporting it in principle but as an abstract idea. Take it personal, Joe- Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: Et tu, WARON Curtis? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:06:56 -0400 > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your positions right >about him & mine wrong. matt- 1. can you explain what is unfortunate? 2. can you explain exactly what your position and your interpretation of my position on curtis are and why mine is right and your's is wrong. > >To the extent that this is so, I was wrong to say that you lied about his >past. which means that you have been subserviant to a republican for years, and now comes the question of why? for the benefit of the doubt, you had thought that you had won over a working class resident to the struggle against police brutality. though through your lack of organizing a community base, or even pushing to organize a community base, you were satisfied with maintaining curtis as your example of practice - although over 1000 people marched when sissy was murdered, you were satisfied with curtis. satisfied so much so that you were expelling working class revolutionaries from the coalition. when do you plan on addressing any of this? > >However, we will certainly continue to explore the role that BOL/SWORD >played in pushing him back into the Republican fold--as we will be >struggling to win over many many working class people from the Republican >party. now here's where you might as well just hold your nose and jump off a fucking roof. please, by all means, keep me posted on your exploration of the only group that attacked curtis's republican position, as well as all republicans and all republican positions to come from within the peoples' campaign, and let me know what you turn up. you have never struggled to win over the working class from the Republican party, not even with your parents and definitely not in new brunswick where you and keith and louise organized a sabatoge of U&S while recruiting to put bright into the position of NB republican chair. interesting how you state that: "BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back into the Republican fold" what is that to say? that he was coming away from the Republican party? you have a certain fucked up warped head to accuse SWORD of pushing him back. you would never even know that he is a Racist Republican if not for SWORD. not only, but that you joined with bush2 and organized in bush2's organization more sucessfully than any other republicans ever in NB - HOW DOES THAT WORK TO "BE STRUGGLING TO WIN OVER MANY MANY WORKING CLASS PEOPLE FROM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY? this you definitely need adress. > >There was a time not too long ago that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's >Black Nation together... yes, probably you need to reread such pieces and get on the streets with your ideas. > >As we've agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican danger, >etc. on the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies. 1. these agreements are only in words on behalf of yourself and keith and louise, you all still belong to an organization called the peoples' campaign that consists of Republicans - you have done nothing to rectify the situation, not one thing. and i have yet to see/hear any proposals from your behalf suggesting rectification of this situation. 2. "didn't put out warnings about Republican danger", what is it that you did? 3. "but on the other I maintain that dogmatism, not Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic tendencies." what are you talking about? > >& to the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run completely >counter to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, >not-about-to-be-reformed Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. i have not seen anything from curtis to substantiate anything you are saying, can you provide some detailed analysis. remember el senior is the protege of secretary of state, skunk soaries, who when shaun potts was murdered was on the scene talking about black power and qouting malcolm x while organizing protests throughout the community. > >(Curtis- I say this to you: The less distress your embrace of the >Republicans causes you, the more that self interest has won over the >interests of the people, even Sissy Adams.) matt, you better say more than that and try to make sense out of it next time. here, you can bower some phrases from me: curtis- I say this to you: you are a snake that has done nothing to serve the people. your objectives of attempting to "change the image of the Republican party" can serve no other that the scum of the earth. you bend your knees for your house and you compromise the platform of community control to promote a hidden republican agenda. waron curtis is what your name now is and as much as you promote any republican positions is as much as the wars on. the thing is matt, if you don't act in a serious manner to rectify this situation, then you have played yourself. a thorough open and above board self-criticism for your entire relationship with waron curtis is due. > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting your resources >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more serious about >being self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. (CS:..."Though our >lay-out and distribution resources are readily exploited.") that is not how you stated the end of the meeting to myself. you told me that you were to get me the articles asap. why are you shy when the honest analysis comes on the table? what else are you doing but exploiting SWORD's resources with the distribution of the paper? i am all for exploiting U&S in order to build circles of revolutionaries and to win the advanced to communism. of the over 2000 issues that SWORD printed, how many has yourself, keith, and lousie distributed each? and why is it that you still continually invite maura for layout and not cliff who has explained that he can help? you should always be serious about being self-reliant, i am glad that we taught you that - but that doesn't mean that U&S should not allow for SWORD's analysis and abilities to be united with. > >As far as the definitive relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I >would say talk to AB, try to organize another sit down, do what you need to >do. what exactly does a sit down with amiri accomplish? over every major issue you have organized and accepted amiri's position to his face and then gone behind his back and sabatoged the position. ie. the last 2 presidential races and the way you sabatoged U&S's position being put forward. > >Otherwise, good luck with the Union/housing battle. certainly a fitting way to end your post... don't you think the housing battle would be much more of a progressive community effort if a resident from public housing sat in the seat the you put dim into? > >-Matt joe > > > >----Original Message Follows---- From: cliffsmith69@... Reply-To: >coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! Date: Sun, 08 Jul >2001 21:15:33 -0000 > >New Brunswick Supports Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over >Housing! > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all labor, organized >or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic New Brunswick Housing >Authority and its non-union contractor, NOVA Development. > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the elimination of >180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, with no replacement >housing in motion, it is a further crime against the people that Kevin >Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of NBHA, has given the Projects >Demolition Contract to a non-union developer, with not a single worker from >the community! > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union labor, and for >community control over housing, in part through an All-Elected, Resident >Housing Authority! > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > >Union Jobs! Community Employment! Affordable Housing! > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > >Contact Joe Smith 729.0390 can_bush@... > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
**** the point ****
this is the main point for all to see clear as day:
Keith and Matt and Louise are the only ones saying that we
can not work together. They have been saying that for the last six
years. That has been their entire practice towards uniting
revolutionaries and winning the advanced to communism.
and to matt, again you should watch your mouth especially for matters you
were not there to observe. you talk as if you attended kimako's, which you
did not - the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you
want what they got comin? keep talkin'
joe
>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler
>Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 15:47:13 -0500
>
>Cliff,
>the "proof" is this:
>"Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" -Joe Smith
>
>as I wrote below that line is a liquidation of the national question. This
>shouild be
>obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Marxism-Leninism.
>
>again
>since we have ideological disagreements, this being a case in point, and
>since you
>feel that our relationship was exploitive how are we going to work togther?
>I am starting to think that you are avoiding the point.
>Keith
>
>cliff smith wrote:
>
> > prove this:
> >
> > "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption that
> > equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional
> > >working class- "
> >
> > "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but
> > actually collapses the two."
> >
> > (hint--you cant cause its false.)
> > reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples.
> > cliff
> >
> > whens the next peoples campaign meeting?
> >
> > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler
> > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500
> > >
> > >Joe,
> > >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is
> > >trotskyism.
> > >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery for
>the
> > >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and operates
>under
> > >the
> > >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among the
> > >multi-natuional
> > >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. It
> > >makes no
> > >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually
>collapses
> > >the two.
> > >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying
> > >marxism-leninism.
> > >
> > >Keith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!!
> > > >
> > > > break that down
> > > >
> > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler
> > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe,
> > > > >you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i e-mailed
>it
> > >to
> > > > >myself
> > > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to david
> > >horowitz's
> > > > >10
> > > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at
>rutger's
> > >last
> > > > > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is it?
>do
> > >you
> > > > >agree
> > > > > > that your boss should rob you?"
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss robbing me
>or
> > >any
> > > > >boss
> > > > >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You are
> > >confusing
> > > > >two
> > > > >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are repeartions
>for
> > > > >chattel slavery.
> > > > >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the
> > >multi-national
> > > > >working
> > > > >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers
>throughout
> > >the
> > > > >U&S got
> > > > >repartions along with afro-american workers then the relationship
>would
> > >not
> > > > >change.You
> > > > >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism.
> > > > >
> > > > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it
>that u
> > >do?"
> > > > >
> > > > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class
> > >organization.
> > > > >If you are
> > > > >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you.
> > > > >
> > > > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such
>basis."
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to.
> > > > >
> > > > > > you say:
> > > > > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around."
> > > > >
> > > > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else
>needs
> > >to
> > > > >be
> > > > > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept of
>u&s
> > >is to
> > > > > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! not
>to
> > >sit
> > > > >in
> > > > > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both
>know
> > >your
> > > > > > practice is out to lunch...
> > > > >
> > > > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively
>very
> > > > >specificly in the
> > > > >piece to whihc you responded.
> > > > >the issue is:
> > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit
>board
> > >is
> > > > >one trend.
> > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your
>brother.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working
> > >relationship
> > > > >that you
> > > > >feel is non-exploitative.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". If
>this
> > >were
> > > > >the case
> > > > >than why would you be so eager to unite with it?
> > > > >
> > > > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate
>yourself
> > >from
> > > > > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you
>organize.
> > >if
> > > > >i
> > > > > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt had
> > > > >cancelled, i
> > > > > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on at
>all.
> > > > >
> > > > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice.
> > > > >
> > > > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to be in
> > >town on
> > > > >the
> > > > >original date and you came to that meeting
> > > > >.
> > > > >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of yrself.
>" i
> > > > >don't see
> > > > >reason that there would be any production going on at all." Are
>you
> > >also
> > > > >actaully the
> > > > >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose
>behalf
> > >all
> > > > >people are
> > > > >acting?
> > > > >
> > > > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the
> > >republicans in
> > > > >the
> > > > > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been
>rectified.
> > >nor
> > > > >have
> > > > > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things
> > >impossible to
> > > > > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with
>republicans.
> > >what
> > > > >is
> > > > > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is dim
>is on
> > >the
> > > > > > housing authority - that is your bag.
> > > > >
> > > > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your proposal
>for
> > > > >rectification
> > > > >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you.
> > > > >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from the
> > > > >organization and
> > > > >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I
>think
> > >that
> > > > >it is more
> > > > >important that the majority of people involved with the camapign
> > >understand
> > > > >what is
> > > > >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just be
> > >repeated
> > > > >(maybe
> > > > >with an ultra-left cover).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > you say:
> > > > > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear
> > > > >ideological
> > > > > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the
>People's
> > > > > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an
> > >anti-republican
> > > > > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical line."
> > > > >
> > > > > > but what are you going to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again maybe
>I'm
> > > > >blinded by
> > > > >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply
>above.
> > > > >
> > > > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans must
>be
> > > > >removed
> > > > > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign
>because
> > >in
> > > > >fact
> > > > > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to
>the
> > > > >peoples
> > > > > > productive development?
> > > > >
> > > > >I think that this is the same again.
> > > > >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive
>development"?
> > > > >
> > > > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is a
>little
> > > > >lengthy, I
> > > > >would reiterate this point as being central:
> > > > >
> > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit
>board
> > >is a
> > > > >single
> > > > >trend.
> > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your
>brother.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working
> > >relationship
> > > > >that you
> > > > >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not possible
>until
> > > > >there is a
> > > > >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship is
> > >termed
> > > > >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have
>made
> > >more
> > > > >than one
> > > > >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you.
> > > > >
> > > > >Keith
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis?
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is
>like
> > >fresh
> > > > > > >air."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I think
> > >Matt's
> > > > > > >meaning is that
> > > > > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own
>responsibility
> > >for
> > > > > > >curtis'
> > > > > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the
>CAPB,
> > >from
> > > > > > >which
> > > > > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working
>class
> > > > >activists
> > > > > > >&
> > > > > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear
> > > > >ideological
> > > > > > >leadership
> > > > > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's
>Campaign
> > >with
> > > > > > >support for
> > > > > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line and
>a
> > >lack
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >any
> > > > > > >revolutionary polirtical line.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only
>"not
> > >put
> > > > >out
> > > > > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis to
>be
> > > > > > >republican,
> > > > > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact
> > >yrselves
> > > > > > >embraced
> > > > > > > > republican partying"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on
> > >numerous
> > > > > > >occassions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the
> > >republican
> > > > > > >party,
> > > > > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more liberal
> > >marks
> > > > >like
> > > > > > > > yrself to con."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to
>be
> > >in
> > > > >line
> > > > > > >with the
> > > > > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and even
>the
> > > > >most
> > > > > > >extreme right
> > > > > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated
>Foster
> > >as
> > > > > > >their VP an
> > > > > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us
>something
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well
>as
> > >black
> > > > > > >nationalism)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious
> > >about
> > > > >being
> > > > > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from the
> > >absence
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > paper)?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to
>me
> > >that
> > > > >you
> > > > > > >feel that
> > > > > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was
> > > > >"exploitative"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD"
>we
> > >stand
> > > > > > >ready
> > > > > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle
> > >through
> > > > >our
> > > > > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our
> > >involvement
> > > > >(&
> > > > > > >even,
> > > > > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above
> > >board,
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >yr
> > > > > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion
>make
> > >joint
> > > > > > >editorial work
> > > > > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of style.
>I
> > >have
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hard time
> > > > > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance
>and
> > >also
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hard time
> > > > > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those
>are
> > > > > > >ultra-ultra left
> > > > > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing
>ideology
> > >see
> > > > > > >Mussolini, G.
> > > > > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint
> > >editorial
> > > > >work
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice.
>That is
> > >we
> > > > > > >don't agree on
> > > > > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub
>heading
> > >the
> > > > > > >inability to
> > > > > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an
> > > > >organiztaion
> > > > > > >whose
> > > > > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we
> > >wasted
> > > > >mor
> > > > > > >than one
> > > > > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that
> > >continue
> > > > > > >would have been
> > > > > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on
>production
> > >and in
> > > > > > >fact the last
> > > > > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made
>it
> > >clear
> > > > > > >that anything
> > > > > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an
>exploititive
> > > > > > >relationship. Since
> > > > > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are
>we
> > > > >interested
> > > > > > >in having
> > > > > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship
>or
> > >lack
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >one is on
> > > > > > >you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of
>a
> > >joke.
> > > > >Joe
> > > > > > >Smith
> > > > > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this
>accusation in
> > >his
> > > > > > >essay "Let the
> > > > > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM
> > >articles to
> > > > >lay
> > > > > > >out
> > > > > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same
> > >muddled
> > > > >super
> > > > > > >subjective
> > > > > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his
>own
> > > > > > >subjectyivty to the
> > > > > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity
>(see
> > >also
> > > > >above
> > > > > > >"working
> > > > > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was
> > >expelled
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >numerous
> > > > > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff
> > >believes
> > > > >that
> > > > > > >not only
> > > > > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working
> > >class)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the
>issue
> > >of
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >paper and
> > > > > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version of
>the
> > > > >"office
> > > > > > >space
> > > > > > >community center club house" line. That is placing production
>and
> > >the
> > > > > > >productive
> > > > > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the
> > >political
> > > > >line
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new
>and
> > > > >improved
> > > > > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that
>stated
> > > > >white
> > > > > > >workers need
> > > > > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in
> > >putting
> > > > >out
> > > > > > >that
> > > > > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political
>lines
> > > > > > >endorsing
> > > > > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way
> > >around.
> > > > > > >Production
> > > > > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence of
> > > > >economism
> > > > > > >(see "What
> > > > > > >is To be done")
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S
> > >editorial
> > > > > > >board than
> > > > > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board
>then
> > > > >first
> > > > > > >we must come
> > > > > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd SWORD
> > > > >believes
> > > > > > >that helping
> > > > > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to
> > >exploit
> > > > > > >anyones
> > > > > > >resources.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at
> > >present
> > > > >or
> > > > > > >predicted
> > > > > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > unite, don't split
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its
> > > > >subordination
> > > > > > >to party
> > > > > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes,
> > >without
> > > > > > >restrictions.
> > > > > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also
>free
> > >to
> > > > >expel
> > > > > > >memers who
> > > > > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. Freedom
>of
> > > > >speech
> > > > > > >and of the
> > > > > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must be
> > > > >complete
> > > > > > >too..."
> > > > > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected
>Works
> > > > >Volume 10
> > > > > > >p.47)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Keith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >CC: amirib@...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis?
> > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your
> > >positions
> > > > > > >right
> > > > > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I
>was
> > >wrong
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >say
> > > > > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly
> > >continue
> > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back
>into
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many
>many
> > > > >working
> > > > > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time
>not
> > >too
> > > > >long
> > > > > > >ago
> > > > > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation
> > >together...As
> > > > >we've
> > > > > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican
> > >danger,
> > > > >etc.
> > > > > > >on
> > > > > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism,
>not
> > > > > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic
> > > > >tendencies.
> > > > > > >&
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run
> > > > >completely
> > > > > > > > >counter
> > > > > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist,
> > > > >not-about-to-be-reformed
> > > > > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I
>say
> > >this
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >you:
> > > > > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes
>you,
> > >the
> > > > >more
> > > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people,
>even
> > >Sissy
> > > > > > >Adams.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting
>your
> > > > > > >resources
> > > > > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more
> > >serious
> > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >being
> > > > > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move.
>(CS:..."Though
> > >our
> > > > > > >lay-out
> > > > > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far
>as
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >definitive
> > > > > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say
>talk
> > >to
> > > > >AB,
> > > > > > >try
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do.
>Otherwise,
> > >good
> > > > > > >luck
> > > > > > > > >with the Union/housing battle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-Matt
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union!
> > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports
> > > > > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over
>Housing!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all
>labor,
> > > > > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic
>New
> > > > > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor,
>NOVA
> > > > > > > > >Development.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the
> > > > >elimination
> > > > > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes,
>with no
> > > > > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime
>against
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of
>NBHA,
> > >has
> > > > > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union
> > >developer,
> > > > >with
> > > > > > > > >not a single worker from the community!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union
>labor,
> > >and
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >community control over housing, in part through an
>All-Elected,
> > > > > > > > >Resident Housing Authority!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Union Jobs!
> > > > > > > > >Community Employment!
> > > > > > > > >Affordable Housing!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith
> > > > > > > > >729.0390
> > > > > > > > >can_bush@...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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Joe- you are a walking paradox. Amazing.
Relatedly:
Pick one that suits you (I like "pretty kettle of fish", or "not made with
rose water")
V. WORDS RELATING TO THE VOLUNTARY POWERS; INDIVIDUAL VOLITION
IV. ANTAGONISM
1. Conditional antagonism
Difficulty.
[Antonyms: facility.]
[Nouns] difficulty; hardness; impracticability (impossibility) [more]; tough
work, hard work, uphill work; hard task, Herculean task, Augean task; task
of Sisyphus, Sisyphean labor, tough job, teaser, rasper, dead lift.
dilemma, embarrassment; deadlock; perplexity (uncertainty) [more];
intricacy; entanglement [more]; cross fire; awkwardness, delicacy, ticklish
card to play, knot, Gordian knot, dignus vindice nodus, net, meshes, maze;
coil (convolution) [more]; crooked path; involvement.
nice point, delicate point, subtle point, knotty point; vexed question,
vexata quaestio, poser; puzzle (riddle) [more]; paradox; hard nut to crack,
nut to crack; bone to pick, crux, pons asinorum, where the shoe pinches.
nonplus, quandary, strait, pass, pinch, pretty pass, stress, brunt; critical
situation, crisis; trial, rub, emergency, exigency, scramble.
scrape, hobble, slough, quagmire, hot water, hornet's nest; sea of troubles,
peck of troubles; pretty kettle of fish; pickle, stew, imbroglio, mess, ado;
false position.
set fast, stand; deadlock, dead set.
fix, horns of a dilemma, cul de sac; hitch; stumblng block (hindrance)
[more].
[Verbs] be difficult; run one hard, go against the grain, try one's
patience, put one out; put to one's shifts, put to one's wit's end; go hard
with one, try one; pose, perplex (uncertain) [more]; bother, nonplus,
gravel, bring to a deadlock; be impossible [more]; be in the way of (hinder)
[more].
meet with difficulties; labor under difficulties; get into difficulties;
plunge into difficulties; struggle with difficulties; contend with
difficulties; grapple with difficulties; labor under a disadvantage; be in
difficulty
fish in troubled waters, buffet the waves, swim against the stream, scud
under bare poles.
have much ado with, have a hard time of it; come to the push, come to the
pinch; bear the brunt.
grope in the dark, lose one's way, weave a tangled web, walk among eggs.
get into a scrape; bring a hornet's nest about one's ears; be put to one's
shifts; flounder, boggle, struggle; not know which way to turn (uncertain)
[more]; perdre son Latin; stick at, stick in the mud, stick fast; come to a
stand, come to a deadlock; hold the wolf by the ears.
render difficult; enmesh, encumber, embarrass, ravel, entangle; put a spoke
in the wheel (hinder) [more]; lead a pretty dance.
[Adjectives] difficult, not easy, hard, tough; troublesome, toilsome,
irksome; operose, laborious, onerous, arduous, Herculean, formidable; sooner
said than done; more easily said than done.
difficult to deal with, hard to deal with; ill-conditioned, crabbed; not to
be handled with kid gloves, not made with rose water.
awkward, unwieldy, unmanageable; intractable, stubborn (obstinate) [more];
perverse, refractory, plaguy, trying, thorny, rugged; knotted, knotty;
invious; pathless, trackless; labyrinthine (convoluted) [more]; intricate,
complicated (tangled) [more]; impracticable (impossible) [more]; not
feasible [more]; desperate (hopeless) [more].
embarrassing, perplexing (uncertain) [more]; delicate, ticklish, critical;
beset with difficulties, full of difficulties, surrounded by difficulties,
entangled by difficulties, encompassed with difficulties.
under a difficulty; in a box; in difficulty, in hot water, in the suds, in a
cleft stick, in a fix, in the wrong box, in a scrape, in deep water, in a
fine pickle; in extremis; between two stools, between Scylla and Charybdis;
surrounded by shoals, surrounded by breakers, surrounded by quicksands; at
cross purposes; not out of the wood(s).
reduced to straits; hard pressed, sorely pressed; run hard; pinched, put to
it, straitened; hard up, hard put to it, hard set; put to one's shifts;
puzzled, at a loss, (uncertain) [more]; at the end of one's tether, at one's
wit's end, at a nonplus, at a standstill; graveled, nonplussed, stranded,
aground; stuck fast, set fast; up a tree, at bay, aux abois, driven into a
corner, driven from pillar to post, driven to extremity, driven to one's
wit's end, driven to the wall; au bout de son Latin; out of one's depth;
thrown out.
accomplished with difficulty; hard-fought, hard-earned.
[Adverbs] with difficulty, with much ado; hardly; uphill; against the
stream, against the grain; a rebours; invita Minerva; in the teeth of; at a
pinch, upon a pinch; at long odds.
[Phrases] "ay there's the rub" [Hamlet]; hic labor hoc opus [Vergil]; things
are come to a pretty pass, ab inconvenienti; ad astra per aspera; acun
chemin de fleurs ne conduit a la gloire.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@...
Subject: [nbpc] Re: BURY schundle
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:09:19 -0400
**** the point ****
this is the main point for all to see clear as day:
Keith and Matt and Louise are the only ones saying that we
can not work together. They have been saying that for the last six
years. That has been their entire practice towards uniting
revolutionaries and winning the advanced to communism.
and to matt, again you should watch your mouth especially for matters you
were not there to observe. you talk as if you attended kimako's, which you
did not - the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you
want what they got comin? keep talkin'
joe
>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler
>Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 15:47:13 -0500
>
>Cliff,
>the "proof" is this:
>"Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" -Joe Smith
>
>as I wrote below that line is a liquidation of the national question. This
>shouild be
>obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Marxism-Leninism.
>
>again
>since we have ideological disagreements, this being a case in point, and
>since you
>feel that our relationship was exploitive how are we going to work
togther?
>I am starting to think that you are avoiding the point.
>Keith
>
>cliff smith wrote:
>
> > prove this:
> >
> > "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption that
> > equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional
> > >working class- "
> >
> > "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but
> > actually collapses the two."
> >
> > (hint--you cant cause its false.)
> > reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples.
> > cliff
> >
> > whens the next peoples campaign meeting?
> >
> > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler
> > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500
> > >
> > >Joe,
> > >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is
> > >trotskyism.
> > >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery
for
>the
> > >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and operates
>under
> > >the
> > >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among the
> > >multi-natuional
> > >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. It
> > >makes no
> > >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually
>collapses
> > >the two.
> > >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying
> > >marxism-leninism.
> > >
> > >Keith
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!!
> > > >
> > > > break that down
> > > >
> > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler
> > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe,
> > > > >you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i
e-mailed
>it
> > >to
> > > > >myself
> > > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to david
> > >horowitz's
> > > > >10
> > > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at
>rutger's
> > >last
> > > > > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is it?
>do
> > >you
> > > > >agree
> > > > > > that your boss should rob you?"
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss robbing
me
>or
> > >any
> > > > >boss
> > > > >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You are
> > >confusing
> > > > >two
> > > > >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are repeartions
>for
> > > > >chattel slavery.
> > > > >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the
> > >multi-national
> > > > >working
> > > > >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers
>throughout
> > >the
> > > > >U&S got
> > > > >repartions along with afro-american workers then the relationship
>would
> > >not
> > > > >change.You
> > > > >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism.
> > > > >
> > > > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it
>that u
> > >do?"
> > > > >
> > > > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class
> > >organization.
> > > > >If you are
> > > > >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you.
> > > > >
> > > > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such
>basis."
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to.
> > > > >
> > > > > > you say:
> > > > > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around."
> > > > >
> > > > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else
>needs
> > >to
> > > > >be
> > > > > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept of
>u&s
> > >is to
> > > > > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism!
not
>to
> > >sit
> > > > >in
> > > > > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both
>know
> > >your
> > > > > > practice is out to lunch...
> > > > >
> > > > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively
>very
> > > > >specificly in the
> > > > >piece to whihc you responded.
> > > > >the issue is:
> > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit
>board
> > >is
> > > > >one trend.
> > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your
>brother.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working
> > >relationship
> > > > >that you
> > > > >feel is non-exploitative.
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". If
>this
> > >were
> > > > >the case
> > > > >than why would you be so eager to unite with it?
> > > > >
> > > > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate
>yourself
> > >from
> > > > > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you
>organize.
> > >if
> > > > >i
> > > > > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt had
> > > > >cancelled, i
> > > > > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on at
>all.
> > > > >
> > > > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice.
> > > > >
> > > > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to be
in
> > >town on
> > > > >the
> > > > >original date and you came to that meeting
> > > > >.
> > > > >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of yrself.
>" i
> > > > >don't see
> > > > >reason that there would be any production going on at all." Are
>you
> > >also
> > > > >actaully the
> > > > >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose
>behalf
> > >all
> > > > >people are
> > > > >acting?
> > > > >
> > > > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the
> > >republicans in
> > > > >the
> > > > > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been
>rectified.
> > >nor
> > > > >have
> > > > > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things
> > >impossible to
> > > > > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with
>republicans.
> > >what
> > > > >is
> > > > > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is dim
>is on
> > >the
> > > > > > housing authority - that is your bag.
> > > > >
> > > > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your
proposal
>for
> > > > >rectification
> > > > >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you.
> > > > >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from the
> > > > >organization and
> > > > >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I
>think
> > >that
> > > > >it is more
> > > > >important that the majority of people involved with the camapign
> > >understand
> > > > >what is
> > > > >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just be
> > >repeated
> > > > >(maybe
> > > > >with an ultra-left cover).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > you say:
> > > > > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear
> > > > >ideological
> > > > > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the
>People's
> > > > > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an
> > >anti-republican
> > > > > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical
line."
> > > > >
> > > > > > but what are you going to do?
> > > > >
> > > > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again maybe
>I'm
> > > > >blinded by
> > > > >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply
>above.
> > > > >
> > > > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans must
>be
> > > > >removed
> > > > > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign
>because
> > >in
> > > > >fact
> > > > > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to
>the
> > > > >peoples
> > > > > > productive development?
> > > > >
> > > > >I think that this is the same again.
> > > > >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive
>development"?
> > > > >
> > > > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is a
>little
> > > > >lengthy, I
> > > > >would reiterate this point as being central:
> > > > >
> > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit
>board
> > >is a
> > > > >single
> > > > >trend.
> > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your
>brother.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working
> > >relationship
> > > > >that you
> > > > >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not possible
>until
> > > > >there is a
> > > > >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship is
> > >termed
> > > > >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have
>made
> > >more
> > > > >than one
> > > > >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you.
> > > > >
> > > > >Keith
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis?
> > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is
>like
> > >fresh
> > > > > > >air."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I
think
> > >Matt's
> > > > > > >meaning is that
> > > > > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own
>responsibility
> > >for
> > > > > > >curtis'
> > > > > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the
>CAPB,
> > >from
> > > > > > >which
> > > > > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working
>class
> > > > >activists
> > > > > > >&
> > > > > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear
> > > > >ideological
> > > > > > >leadership
> > > > > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's
>Campaign
> > >with
> > > > > > >support for
> > > > > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line
and
>a
> > >lack
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >any
> > > > > > >revolutionary polirtical line.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not only
>"not
> > >put
> > > > >out
> > > > > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis
to
>be
> > > > > > >republican,
> > > > > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact
> > >yrselves
> > > > > > >embraced
> > > > > > > > republican partying"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized on
> > >numerous
> > > > > > >occassions
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the
> > >republican
> > > > > > >party,
> > > > > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more
liberal
> > >marks
> > > > >like
> > > > > > > > yrself to con."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems to
>be
> > >in
> > > > >line
> > > > > > >with the
> > > > > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and
even
>the
> > > > >most
> > > > > > >extreme right
> > > > > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated
>Foster
> > >as
> > > > > > >their VP an
> > > > > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us
>something
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as well
>as
> > >black
> > > > > > >nationalism)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you "serious
> > >about
> > > > >being
> > > > > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from
the
> > >absence
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > paper)?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear to
>me
> > >that
> > > > >you
> > > > > > >feel that
> > > > > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was
> > > > >"exploitative"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & SWORD"
>we
> > >stand
> > > > > > >ready
> > > > > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle
> > >through
> > > > >our
> > > > > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our
> > >involvement
> > > > >(&
> > > > > > >even,
> > > > > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & above
> > >board,
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >yr
> > > > > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion
>make
> > >joint
> > > > > > >editorial work
> > > > > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of
style.
>I
> > >have
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hard time
> > > > > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for instance
>and
> > >also
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hard time
> > > > > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. Those
>are
> > > > > > >ultra-ultra left
> > > > > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing
>ideology
> > >see
> > > > > > >Mussolini, G.
> > > > > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint
> > >editorial
> > > > >work
> > > > > > >is
> > > > > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice.
>That is
> > >we
> > > > > > >don't agree on
> > > > > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub
>heading
> > >the
> > > > > > >inability to
> > > > > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an
> > > > >organiztaion
> > > > > > >whose
> > > > > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and we
> > >wasted
> > > > >mor
> > > > > > >than one
> > > > > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let that
> > >continue
> > > > > > >would have been
> > > > > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on
>production
> > >and in
> > > > > > >fact the last
> > > > > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have made
>it
> > >clear
> > > > > > >that anything
> > > > > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an
>exploititive
> > > > > > >relationship. Since
> > > > > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor are
>we
> > > > >interested
> > > > > > >in having
> > > > > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current relationship
>or
> > >lack
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >one is on
> > > > > > >you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something of
>a
> > >joke.
> > > > >Joe
> > > > > > >Smith
> > > > > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this
>accusation in
> > >his
> > > > > > >essay "Let the
> > > > > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM
> > >articles to
> > > > >lay
> > > > > > >out
> > > > > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same
> > >muddled
> > > > >super
> > > > > > >subjective
> > > > > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up his
>own
> > > > > > >subjectyivty to the
> > > > > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity
>(see
> > >also
> > > > >above
> > > > > > >"working
> > > > > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was
> > >expelled
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >numerous
> > > > > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but Cliff
> > >believes
> > > > >that
> > > > > > >not only
> > > > > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the working
> > >class)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the
>issue
> > >of
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >paper and
> > > > > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version
of
>the
> > > > >"office
> > > > > > >space
> > > > > > >community center club house" line. That is placing production
>and
> > >the
> > > > > > >productive
> > > > > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the
> > >political
> > > > >line
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" new
>and
> > > > >improved
> > > > > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that
>stated
> > > > >white
> > > > > > >workers need
> > > > > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested in
> > >putting
> > > > >out
> > > > > > >that
> > > > > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political
>lines
> > > > > > >endorsing
> > > > > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other way
> > >around.
> > > > > > >Production
> > > > > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence
of
> > > > >economism
> > > > > > >(see "What
> > > > > > >is To be done")
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S
> > >editorial
> > > > > > >board than
> > > > > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit board
>then
> > > > >first
> > > > > > >we must come
> > > > > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd
SWORD
> > > > >believes
> > > > > > >that helping
> > > > > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend to
> > >exploit
> > > > > > >anyones
> > > > > > >resources.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood at
> > >present
> > > > >or
> > > > > > >predicted
> > > > > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > unite, don't split
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and its
> > > > >subordination
> > > > > > >to party
> > > > > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he likes,
> > >without
> > > > > > >restrictions.
> > > > > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is also
>free
> > >to
> > > > >expel
> > > > > > >memers who
> > > > > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views.
Freedom
>of
> > > > >speech
> > > > > > >and of the
> > > > > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must
be
> > > > >complete
> > > > > > >too..."
> > > > > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected
>Works
> > > > >Volume 10
> > > > > > >p.47)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Keith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >CC: amirib@...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis?
> > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes your
> > >positions
> > > > > > >right
> > > > > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, I
>was
> > >wrong
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >say
> > > > > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will certainly
> > >continue
> > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him back
>into
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over many
>many
> > > > >working
> > > > > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time
>not
> > >too
> > > > >long
> > > > > > >ago
> > > > > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation
> > >together...As
> > > > >we've
> > > > > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against Republican
> > >danger,
> > > > >etc.
> > > > > > >on
> > > > > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that dogmatism,
>not
> > > > > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his democratic
> > > > >tendencies.
> > > > > > >&
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously run
> > > > >completely
> > > > > > > > >counter
> > > > > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist,
> > > > >not-about-to-be-reformed
> > > > > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- I
>say
> > >this
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >you:
> > > > > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes
>you,
> > >the
> > > > >more
> > > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people,
>even
> > >Sissy
> > > > > > >Adams.)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was exploiting
>your
> > > > > > >resources
> > > > > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more
> > >serious
> > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >being
> > > > > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move.
>(CS:..."Though
> > >our
> > > > > > >lay-out
> > > > > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As far
>as
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >definitive
> > > > > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would say
>talk
> > >to
> > > > >AB,
> > > > > > >try
> > > > > > > > >to
> > > > > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do.
>Otherwise,
> > >good
> > > > > > >luck
> > > > > > > > >with the Union/housing battle.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-Matt
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union!
> > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports
> > > > > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over
>Housing!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all
>labor,
> > > > > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, anti-democratic
>New
> > > > > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union contractor,
>NOVA
> > > > > > > > >Development.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, the
> > > > >elimination
> > > > > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes,
>with no
> > > > > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime
>against
> > >the
> > > > > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of
>NBHA,
> > >has
> > > > > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union
> > >developer,
> > > > >with
> > > > > > > > >not a single worker from the community!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union
>labor,
> > >and
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >community control over housing, in part through an
>All-Elected,
> > > > > > > > >Resident Housing Authority!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Union Jobs!
> > > > > > > > >Community Employment!
> > > > > > > > >Affordable Housing!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith
> > > > > > > > >729.0390
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> > > > > > > > >
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matt, you were not there at kimakos so i don't see how you could make such statements about it. also, i do not understand your post and what it has to do with any of the issues that are being discussed. this is a complete disregard for the discussion which cannot be productive and reach any sort of unity, agreement, or be working towards those ends if this is your response. are you completely dismissing all the points that joe raises as invalid by refusing to answer them and instead writing this post? is this the end of the discussion on you part? cause i am not satisfied with the fact that you have afew times adressed joe's behavior at kimakos of which you were not there. so far i have been kicked out of the people's campaign and now not apparently not allowed to do work for U&S. i am ready and willing to do work, but i am being kept from doing so by the U & S edit board of which yourself, keith and louise are on (also part of the NBPC of which we were expelled) maura is allowed to do work because she has never declared affiliation with SWORD, although she is part of S&S and did come to the meetings as a representative of it. If the crux of the isuue of our involvement on the paper lies in idealogical differences, then why is she invited to do work as a part of S&S which presented 1 of the 2 analysis's that U&S did not agree with? that is bullshit. and i do see it as sabotage to develop a practice of expelling and excluding revolutionaries from doing work, which seems to have been going on for "six years" and which i myself have experienced multiple times since have been active. i also see these as valid points and a valuable discussion working towards a productive end that do not warrant a response of nonsense words on your part. what about you? >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Taz >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:51:37 > >Joe- you are a walking paradox. Amazing. > > >Relatedly: >Pick one that suits you (I like "pretty kettle of fish", or "not made with >rose water") > > >V. WORDS RELATING TO THE VOLUNTARY POWERS; INDIVIDUAL VOLITION >IV. ANTAGONISM >1. Conditional antagonism >Difficulty. > >[Antonyms: facility.] > >[Nouns] difficulty; hardness; impracticability (impossibility) [more]; >tough >work, hard work, uphill work; hard task, Herculean task, Augean task; task >of Sisyphus, Sisyphean labor, tough job, teaser, rasper, dead lift. > >dilemma, embarrassment; deadlock; perplexity (uncertainty) [more]; >intricacy; entanglement [more]; cross fire; awkwardness, delicacy, ticklish >card to play, knot, Gordian knot, dignus vindice nodus, net, meshes, maze; >coil (convolution) [more]; crooked path; involvement. > >nice point, delicate point, subtle point, knotty point; vexed question, >vexata quaestio, poser; puzzle (riddle) [more]; paradox; hard nut to crack, >nut to crack; bone to pick, crux, pons asinorum, where the shoe pinches. > >nonplus, quandary, strait, pass, pinch, pretty pass, stress, brunt; >critical >situation, crisis; trial, rub, emergency, exigency, scramble. > >scrape, hobble, slough, quagmire, hot water, hornet's nest; sea of >troubles, >peck of troubles; pretty kettle of fish; pickle, stew, imbroglio, mess, >ado; >false position. > >set fast, stand; deadlock, dead set. > >fix, horns of a dilemma, cul de sac; hitch; stumblng block (hindrance) >[more]. > >[Verbs] be difficult; run one hard, go against the grain, try one's >patience, put one out; put to one's shifts, put to one's wit's end; go hard >with one, try one; pose, perplex (uncertain) [more]; bother, nonplus, >gravel, bring to a deadlock; be impossible [more]; be in the way of >(hinder) >[more]. > >meet with difficulties; labor under difficulties; get into difficulties; >plunge into difficulties; struggle with difficulties; contend with >difficulties; grapple with difficulties; labor under a disadvantage; be in >difficulty > >fish in troubled waters, buffet the waves, swim against the stream, scud >under bare poles. > >have much ado with, have a hard time of it; come to the push, come to the >pinch; bear the brunt. > >grope in the dark, lose one's way, weave a tangled web, walk among eggs. > >get into a scrape; bring a hornet's nest about one's ears; be put to one's >shifts; flounder, boggle, struggle; not know which way to turn (uncertain) >[more]; perdre son Latin; stick at, stick in the mud, stick fast; come to a >stand, come to a deadlock; hold the wolf by the ears. > >render difficult; enmesh, encumber, embarrass, ravel, entangle; put a spoke >in the wheel (hinder) [more]; lead a pretty dance. > >[Adjectives] difficult, not easy, hard, tough; troublesome, toilsome, >irksome; operose, laborious, onerous, arduous, Herculean, formidable; >sooner >said than done; more easily said than done. > >difficult to deal with, hard to deal with; ill-conditioned, crabbed; not to >be handled with kid gloves, not made with rose water. > >awkward, unwieldy, unmanageable; intractable, stubborn (obstinate) [more]; >perverse, refractory, plaguy, trying, thorny, rugged; knotted, knotty; >invious; pathless, trackless; labyrinthine (convoluted) [more]; intricate, >complicated (tangled) [more]; impracticable (impossible) [more]; not >feasible [more]; desperate (hopeless) [more]. > >embarrassing, perplexing (uncertain) [more]; delicate, ticklish, critical; >beset with difficulties, full of difficulties, surrounded by difficulties, >entangled by difficulties, encompassed with difficulties. > >under a difficulty; in a box; in difficulty, in hot water, in the suds, in >a >cleft stick, in a fix, in the wrong box, in a scrape, in deep water, in a >fine pickle; in extremis; between two stools, between Scylla and Charybdis; >surrounded by shoals, surrounded by breakers, surrounded by quicksands; at >cross purposes; not out of the wood(s). > >reduced to straits; hard pressed, sorely pressed; run hard; pinched, put to >it, straitened; hard up, hard put to it, hard set; put to one's shifts; >puzzled, at a loss, (uncertain) [more]; at the end of one's tether, at >one's >wit's end, at a nonplus, at a standstill; graveled, nonplussed, stranded, >aground; stuck fast, set fast; up a tree, at bay, aux abois, driven into a >corner, driven from pillar to post, driven to extremity, driven to one's >wit's end, driven to the wall; au bout de son Latin; out of one's depth; >thrown out. > >accomplished with difficulty; hard-fought, hard-earned. > >[Adverbs] with difficulty, with much ado; hardly; uphill; against the >stream, against the grain; a rebours; invita Minerva; in the teeth of; at a >pinch, upon a pinch; at long odds. > >[Phrases] "ay there's the rub" [Hamlet]; hic labor hoc opus [Vergil]; >things >are come to a pretty pass, ab inconvenienti; ad astra per aspera; acun >chemin de fleurs ne conduit a la gloire. > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@... >Subject: [nbpc] Re: BURY schundle >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:09:19 -0400 > >**** the point **** > >this is the main point for all to see clear as day: > > Keith and Matt and Louise are the only ones saying that we > can not work together. They have been saying that for the last six > years. That has been their entire practice towards uniting > revolutionaries and winning the advanced to communism. > >and to matt, again you should watch your mouth especially for matters you >were not there to observe. you talk as if you attended kimako's, which you >did not - the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you >want what they got comin? keep talkin' > >joe > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 15:47:13 -0500 > > > >Cliff, > >the "proof" is this: > >"Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" -Joe Smith > > > >as I wrote below that line is a liquidation of the national question. >This > >shouild be > >obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Marxism-Leninism. > > > >again > >since we have ideological disagreements, this being a case in point, and > >since you > >feel that our relationship was exploitive how are we going to work >togther? > >I am starting to think that you are avoiding the point. > >Keith > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > prove this: > > > > > > "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption >that > > > equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional > > > >working class- " > > > > > > "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but > > > actually collapses the two." > > > > > > (hint--you cant cause its false.) > > > reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples. > > > cliff > > > > > > whens the next peoples campaign meeting? > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500 > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is > > > >trotskyism. > > > >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery >for > >the > > > >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and operates > >under > > > >the > > > >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among >the > > > >multi-natuional > > > >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. >It > > > >makes no > > > >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually > >collapses > > > >the two. > > > >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying > > > >marxism-leninism. > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!! > > > > > > > > > > break that down > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i >e-mailed > >it > > > >to > > > > > >myself > > > > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to david > > > >horowitz's > > > > > >10 > > > > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at > >rutger's > > > >last > > > > > > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is >it? > >do > > > >you > > > > > >agree > > > > > > > that your boss should rob you?" > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss robbing >me > >or > > > >any > > > > > >boss > > > > > >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You >are > > > >confusing > > > > > >two > > > > > >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are >repeartions > >for > > > > > >chattel slavery. > > > > > >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the > > > >multi-national > > > > > >working > > > > > >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers > >throughout > > > >the > > > > > >U&S got > > > > > >repartions along with afro-american workers then the >relationship > >would > > > >not > > > > > >change.You > > > > > >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it > >that u > > > >do?" > > > > > > > > > > > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class > > > >organization. > > > > > >If you are > > > > > >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such > >basis." > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > > > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around." > > > > > > > > > > > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what else > >needs > > > >to > > > > > >be > > > > > > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept >of > >u&s > > > >is to > > > > > > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! >not > >to > > > >sit > > > > > >in > > > > > > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both > >know > > > >your > > > > > > > practice is out to lunch... > > > > > > > > > > > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively > >very > > > > > >specificly in the > > > > > >piece to whihc you responded. > > > > > >the issue is: > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit > >board > > > >is > > > > > >one trend. > > > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your > >brother. > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working > > > >relationship > > > > > >that you > > > > > >feel is non-exploitative. > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". >If > >this > > > >were > > > > > >the case > > > > > >than why would you be so eager to unite with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate > >yourself > > > >from > > > > > > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you > >organize. > > > >if > > > > > >i > > > > > > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt >had > > > > > >cancelled, i > > > > > > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on >at > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to be >in > > > >town on > > > > > >the > > > > > >original date and you came to that meeting > > > > > >. > > > > > >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of >yrself. > >" i > > > > > >don't see > > > > > >reason that there would be any production going on at all." Are > >you > > > >also > > > > > >actaully the > > > > > >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose > >behalf > > > >all > > > > > >people are > > > > > >acting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the > > > >republicans in > > > > > >the > > > > > > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been > >rectified. > > > >nor > > > > > >have > > > > > > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things > > > >impossible to > > > > > > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with > >republicans. > > > >what > > > > > >is > > > > > > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is >dim > >is on > > > >the > > > > > > > housing authority - that is your bag. > > > > > > > > > > > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your >proposal > >for > > > > > >rectification > > > > > >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you. > > > > > >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from >the > > > > > >organization and > > > > > >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I > >think > > > >that > > > > > >it is more > > > > > >important that the majority of people involved with the camapign > > > >understand > > > > > >what is > > > > > >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just >be > > > >repeated > > > > > >(maybe > > > > > >with an ultra-left cover). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > > > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear > > > > > >ideological > > > > > > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the > >People's > > > > > > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an > > > >anti-republican > > > > > > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical >line." > > > > > > > > > > > > > but what are you going to do? > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again maybe > >I'm > > > > > >blinded by > > > > > >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply > >above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans >must > >be > > > > > >removed > > > > > > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign > >because > > > >in > > > > > >fact > > > > > > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition to > >the > > > > > >peoples > > > > > > > productive development? > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that this is the same again. > > > > > >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive > >development"? > > > > > > > > > > > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is a > >little > > > > > >lengthy, I > > > > > >would reiterate this point as being central: > > > > > > > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit > >board > > > >is a > > > > > >single > > > > > >trend. > > > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your > >brother. > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working > > > >relationship > > > > > >that you > > > > > >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not possible > >until > > > > > >there is a > > > > > >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship >is > > > >termed > > > > > >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have > >made > > > >more > > > > > >than one > > > > > >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you. > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it is > >like > > > >fresh > > > > > > > >air." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I >think > > > >Matt's > > > > > > > >meaning is that > > > > > > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own > >responsibility > > > >for > > > > > > > >curtis' > > > > > > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the > >CAPB, > > > >from > > > > > > > >which > > > > > > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working > >class > > > > > >activists > > > > > > > >& > > > > > > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of clear > > > > > >ideological > > > > > > > >leadership > > > > > > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's > >Campaign > > > >with > > > > > > > >support for > > > > > > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line >and > >a > > > >lack > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >any > > > > > > > >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not >only > >"not > > > >put > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged curtis >to > >be > > > > > > > >republican, > > > > > > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in fact > > > >yrselves > > > > > > > >embraced > > > > > > > > > republican partying" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized >on > > > >numerous > > > > > > > >occassions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the > > > >republican > > > > > > > >party, > > > > > > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more >liberal > > > >marks > > > > > >like > > > > > > > > > yrself to con." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems >to > >be > > > >in > > > > > >line > > > > > > > >with the > > > > > > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and >even > >the > > > > > >most > > > > > > > >extreme right > > > > > > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even nominated > >Foster > > > >as > > > > > > > >their VP an > > > > > > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us > >something > > > > > >about > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as >well > >as > > > >black > > > > > > > >nationalism) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you >"serious > > > >about > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from >the > > > >absence > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > paper)?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear >to > >me > > > >that > > > > > >you > > > > > > > >feel that > > > > > > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was > > > > > >"exploitative" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & >SWORD" > >we > > > >stand > > > > > > > >ready > > > > > > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & struggle > > > >through > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our > > > >involvement > > > > > >(& > > > > > > > >even, > > > > > > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & >above > > > >board, > > > > > >state > > > > > > > >yr > > > > > > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my opinion > >make > > > >joint > > > > > > > >editorial work > > > > > > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of >style. > >I > > > >have > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >hard time > > > > > > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for >instance > >and > > > >also > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >hard time > > > > > > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. >Those > >are > > > > > > > >ultra-ultra left > > > > > > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing > >ideology > > > >see > > > > > > > >Mussolini, G. > > > > > > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint > > > >editorial > > > > > >work > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. > >That is > > > >we > > > > > > > >don't agree on > > > > > > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub > >heading > > > >the > > > > > > > >inability to > > > > > > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of an > > > > > >organiztaion > > > > > > > >whose > > > > > > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and >we > > > >wasted > > > > > >mor > > > > > > > >than one > > > > > > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let >that > > > >continue > > > > > > > >would have been > > > > > > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on > >production > > > >and in > > > > > > > >fact the last > > > > > > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have >made > >it > > > >clear > > > > > > > >that anything > > > > > > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an > >exploititive > > > > > > > >relationship. Since > > > > > > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor >are > >we > > > > > >interested > > > > > > > >in having > > > > > > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current >relationship > >or > > > >lack > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >one is on > > > > > > > >you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something >of > >a > > > >joke. > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > >Smith > > > > > > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this > >accusation in > > > >his > > > > > > > >essay "Let the > > > > > > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM > > > >articles to > > > > > >lay > > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the same > > > >muddled > > > > > >super > > > > > > > >subjective > > > > > > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up >his > >own > > > > > > > >subjectyivty to the > > > > > > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity > >(see > > > >also > > > > > >above > > > > > > > >"working > > > > > > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff was > > > >expelled > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >numerous > > > > > > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but >Cliff > > > >believes > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >not only > > > > > > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the >working > > > >class) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around the > >issue > > > >of > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >paper and > > > > > > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left version >of > >the > > > > > >"office > > > > > > > >space > > > > > > > >community center club house" line. That is placing >production > >and > > > >the > > > > > > > >productive > > > > > > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the > > > >political > > > > > >line > > > > > > > >of the > > > > > > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" >new > >and > > > > > >improved > > > > > > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, that > >stated > > > > > >white > > > > > > > >workers need > > > > > > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested >in > > > >putting > > > > > >out > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out political > >lines > > > > > > > >endorsing > > > > > > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other >way > > > >around. > > > > > > > >Production > > > > > > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the essence >of > > > > > >economism > > > > > > > >(see "What > > > > > > > >is To be done") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the U&S > > > >editorial > > > > > > > >board than > > > > > > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit >board > >then > > > > > >first > > > > > > > >we must come > > > > > > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd >SWORD > > > > > >believes > > > > > > > >that helping > > > > > > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend >to > > > >exploit > > > > > > > >anyones > > > > > > > >resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood >at > > > >present > > > > > >or > > > > > > > >predicted > > > > > > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unite, don't split > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and >its > > > > > >subordination > > > > > > > >to party > > > > > > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he >likes, > > > >without > > > > > > > >restrictions. > > > > > > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is >also > >free > > > >to > > > > > >expel > > > > > > > >memers who > > > > > > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. >Freedom > >of > > > > > >speech > > > > > > > >and of the > > > > > > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association must >be > > > > > >complete > > > > > > > >too..." > > > > > > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected > >Works > > > > > >Volume 10 > > > > > > > >p.47) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > >CC: amirib@... > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes >your > > > >positions > > > > > > > >right > > > > > > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, >I > >was > > > >wrong > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >say > > > > > > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will >certainly > > > >continue > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him >back > >into > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over >many > >many > > > > > >working > > > > > > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a time > >not > > > >too > > > > > >long > > > > > > > >ago > > > > > > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation > > > >together...As > > > > > >we've > > > > > > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against >Republican > > > >danger, > > > > > >etc. > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that >dogmatism, > >not > > > > > > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his >democratic > > > > > >tendencies. > > > > > > > >& > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously >run > > > > > >completely > > > > > > > > > >counter > > > > > > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, > > > > > >not-about-to-be-reformed > > > > > > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- >I > >say > > > >this > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >you: > > > > > > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans causes > >you, > > > >the > > > > > >more > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, > >even > > > >Sissy > > > > > > > >Adams.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was >exploiting > >your > > > > > > > >resources > > > > > > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us more > > > >serious > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. > >(CS:..."Though > > > >our > > > > > > > >lay-out > > > > > > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As >far > >as > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >definitive > > > > > > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would >say > >talk > > > >to > > > > > >AB, > > > > > > > >try > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. > >Otherwise, > > > >good > > > > > > > >luck > > > > > > > > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > > > > > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over > >Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and all > >labor, > > > > > > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, >anti-democratic > >New > > > > > > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union >contractor, > >NOVA > > > > > > > > > >Development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, >the > > > > > >elimination > > > > > > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, > >with no > > > > > > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime > >against > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director of > >NBHA, > > > >has > > > > > > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union > > > >developer, > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! 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----Original Message Follows---- From: "jub dow" <bigjuba@...> Reply-To: lpccd@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lpccd] Fwd: [motherlandcollective] no seat in the Park - Art Installation in Military Park Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:03:59 .....this is art at it's best.......cultural revolutionary!!!....check it out...when you come to downtown newark....... >From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com To: >motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motherlandcollective] no >seat in the Park - Art Installation in Military Park Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 >06:23:15 -0700 (PDT) > > >FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: > >ELISABETH SSENJOVU: 973-274-1660 NEWARK ARTS COUNCIL NEWS 17 Academy >Street, Suite 1104, Newark, NJ 07102 > > >For Immediate Release 7/12/01 / Newark, NJ > >no seat in the Park: > >Newark Arts Council Presents Temporary Art Installation > >in Downtown Newarks Military Park > > > >A temporary art installation designed and fabricated by artist roycrosse >and presented by the Newark Arts Council will open on Thursday, July 26 at >4:00PM in Military Park in the Downtown Newark Arts District. > >The exhibit will consist of a series of 15 miniature chairs suspended 10-15 >feet above the ground. The lightweight chairs are constructed from wire and >fabric in bold, primary colors and are approximately 23high x 12wide x >12deep. The exhibition in Military Park is scheduled to run through >September, 2001. > > > >The objectives of the exhibition are to initiate community dialogue >regarding the use and accessibility of public space in the urban landscape; >to encourage collaboration through the arts between the business and >philanthropic communities and the community at large; to create an arts >destination for new City visitors; and to establish City-wide public art >programs creating opportunities for regional artists. A conversation with >roycrosse was held at the artists studio at 50 Columbia Street where he >presented the concept and a model to supporters. > > > >The concept of exploring issues of urban development through art is a >fantastic way to stimulate enthusiasm and interest in both art and our >immediate surroundings. Supporting the work of artists not only welcomes >new artists into our community but also encourages artists who are >currently living here, to stay, stated roycrosse at the studio >presentation. > > > >Supporters and sponsors of this innovative public art initiative include >Rutgers Institute on Ethnicity, Culture and the Modern Experience; Newark >Downtown District; Iandor Fine Arts Gallery; Aljira, a Center for >Contemporary Art; Tree-Tech; Greater Newark Conservancy, Inc. and City >Without Walls Gallery. > > > >Dr. Clement A. Price, Director of Rutgers Institute on Ethnicity, Culture >and the Modern Experience, quoted "This is fascinating and, I believe, an >important way to encourage our fellow citizens to consider the unique role >of the artist and artistic imagination in public places. Newark has so many >public areas where artists like roycrosse can help nourish our civic >consciousness. His installation at Military Park will do just that." > > > >roycrosse, a Newark resident, is originally from Port of Spain, Trinidad, >West Indies. He received formal art training at Ryerson and Center Tech >School in Toronto, Canada. His work has been described as that which >emerges out of a deep reservoir of inherited visions and spiritual >vitality reflecting the natural sensuality of the Caribbean worldand >blending influences of Colonial Europe and Africa. roycrosse has exhibited >in Italy, Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean and throughout the United States. > > >For additional information, contact the Newark Arts Council at >973.643.1625. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tamara- I plead guilty to resorting to sarcasm for lack of answers on how to respond to Joe's chest-thumping. But in case you didn't see my previous post, I went into great detail adressing the meriad of criticisms that he has thrown our way. I will post it again here so you can review it. As for what happened at Kimako's I heard it from half a dozen people that were there, including Manny & Letti who have my utmost respect. Manny even told me that afterwords he even patted Joe on the back and told him "I didn't come here to fight with you." But Joe's position is: "the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you >want what they got comin? keep talkin', their threats are not forgotten"(!?) (what is it "they got coming" anyway) Can you or Joe explain how this behavior has anything to do with uniting revolutionaries or building a newspaper (considering these are two instrumental people on the edit board) I really don't know what to tell you, except that it may be more productive to examine the recent history of your own organization for clues as to why we coudn't achieve the desired unity on the edit board. This habit of continuously blaming others is disengenuous and leads nowhere. OUtside of that, I don't see why S&S shouldn't work on the production of the paper. It was SWORD that accused us of exploiting them and their resources, days after agreeing to take on certain production task, then accusing us of sabotage. It would be funny if it wasn't so absurd and agravating. Anyhow, here's my long-winded response to Joe. Take care, Matt ____________________________________________________________________ Joe- I will attempt to respond to your dizzying array of charges, countercharges, allegations, suppositions, suspicions, assumptions, inventions, creations, demands, and wild-eyed conclusions. But if I may take another approach because our view of history is mildly different: 1. You repeatedly charge Keith, Louise, and myself with sabbotaging U&S. This is more interesting considering we had been meeting and planning with AB to restart U&S for months before SWORD called AB to set up a meeting, disengenuously on my behalf. So we met anyway with SWORD and accomplished nothing in two or three weeks because the meetings deteriorated into bickering with SWORD over fundamental principles of democracy,& maximum/minimum demands that U&S maintains and SWORD does not. So we set up a "unity" meeting outside the editboard meetings, which was more productive & at the end of which we agreed that SWORD would help with *production.* Shortly afterwards we recieved the 2000 word polemic from Cliff. There he accused us of exploiting SWORD's resources. What does this mean to you? To me it meant that we should stop exploiting SWORD's resources. So we are becoming self-sufficient, in other words, not dependent on SWORD to produce the paper. IN other words, you didn't teach us self-reliance, you taught us not to depend on you. Don't get confused. So, this is why I didn't send you articles, or ask Cliff to do layout. As far a Maura is concerned, she has never informed me of her allegance to SWORD or your "struggle first unite later" ways. So why shouldn't she help if she decides to? AS far as the production in general, it's getting done, and a structure is being developed to sustain it on a more regular basis. Your approach to this entire issue has shown that you don't understand that *production* is subordinate to ideological unity, (so we're not going to race to scrap together a shoddy paper because SWORD has blackmailed us--"Now or else we accuse you of sabotage!")and two that *struggle* is subordinate to unity in general (I think the incident at the last Kimako's demonstrates this yet again, by picking a fight with other members of the edit board.) You need to stop blaming other people for your own errors, to start. 2. As for the Coalition: Who was subordinated to Curtis? When was Curtis leading the Coalition? When I resigned, I nominated Janis to take the helm because of her developed ideology and history with the movement before our time. (BTW--Your demands for sadistic demonstrations of public self-flogging make me feel sorry for your organization. Seriously. It reminds me of that time that I became so enraged that time that Cliff sped up and down Central Ave in his Camaro piss drunk that I decked him...and then spent the next three weeks begging for his forgiveness to the point of personal humiliation, while my requests for him to criticize his drunken driving were met with "Nobody got hurt, so I didn't endanger anyone". Keith, myself, others have repeatedly acknowledged certain errors, but SWORD continues to use them as bludgeons against us. What's the point of self-criticism if the other party doesn't accept it? (Is that why you are so reluctant to be self-critical?) So don't expect me to prostrate myself to the Priests of the Revolution for redemption...done that, been there, have the scar.) In any case, several months ago, we got into a debate about the history of the Coalition the last time you charged that we were so inactive with so little base. At that time, I listed 10 or 12 different projects taht we had going in different areas of the community. At that time you admitted that you had misjugded the Coalition. Remember, or no? The fact is that the Coaliton had been developing some very strong ties to the WC community, and our meetings were far more represented by WC folks than any other grassroots organization that I knew of at the time in NB. As for us being subordinated to Republicans, I addressed that. Our closet republican was not in the leadership, although he did a great deal to build and promote the organization, our principles, and advocate for community control over the police. These are the democtratic tendencies that I was refering to which SWORD was unable to embrace, in order to "kill the patient", as they say. So yes, this *line* did a great deal to push him further from the democratic struggle and into the arms of an awaiting Republican Party. As for the WC activists that were expelled, I know of none, except for Cliff, who was *kept* from working with the Coalition because of apparant personal issues that appeared to be negatively effecting his relationships with people around him. In other words, women in NJFO were totally afraid to work with him because of his own abuse, and as the head of the Coalition, it was my responsibility to keep THAT undemocratic element out. Of course, more recently we have discussed that while he was simultaneously being kicked out of NJFO, there were overarching political reasons for that expulsion--of which I had no knowledge at the time as the CU meetings where these decisions were made were secret--. And so, "we never this and that..." The Coalition struggled to win over working class people, period. We didn't check their party documentation on the way in. If they were down with our points of unity, that was all we required. 3. As for my relationship with my parents, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about and you best keep that off this public egroup, brother. 4. How many times do you want to scream about Keith and others registering Republican and supporting Bright in exchange for 30 pieces of silver and an office? It's been acknowledged and self-criticized countless times here and in the NBPC meetings, in NJFO meetings so frequently that more than half the organization split and started a new organization (so I hear). BTW- I wasn't the one to advocate to withhold the Revolutionary Democratic Line on the National Election. In fact, my main contribution to the campaign was the U&S election issue itself, which I spent 2 months working on. I watched 95% of my work toward that campaign which was geared to promote Revolutionary Democracy get trashed because the majority of NJFO no longer supported it. Then why do you keep beating your chest my way about this. You need to back off about "the way you sabatoged U&S's position being put forward." That 's an outright & blatant fabrication of the facts, friend. Like I said, I no longer subscribe to self-flogging. My Catholic days are over. But you continue to declair that *nothing* has been done to rectify any of this. Let's start with, we were the ones who forced the debate to get you & SWORD back on the People's Campaign egroup list, even before you were banned. Directly following that, we began advocating that SWORD be reinvited into the Peoples' Campaign itself, as part of the bigger argument that it was not functioning as a united front. We then *demonstrated* our willingness to attempt to build unity by meeting with SWORD in the U&S editboard meeeting. That obviously didn't work out (see #1 above for reasons) but not to say it can't in the future. But it's clear that it can't and won't this way. And what is also clear is that my experience with SWORD has taught me the fine line between advocating for it to participate in the United Front, and supporting it in principle but as an abstract idea. Take it personal, Joe- Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Taz Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:52:51 +0000 matt, you were not there at kimakos so i don't see how you could make such statements about it. also, i do not understand your post and what it has to do with any of the issues that are being discussed. this is a complete disregard for the discussion which cannot be productive and reach any sort of unity, agreement, or be working towards those ends if this is your response. are you completely dismissing all the points that joe raises as invalid by refusing to answer them and instead writing this post? is this the end of the discussion on you part? cause i am not satisfied with the fact that you have afew times adressed joe's behavior at kimakos of which you were not there. so far i have been kicked out of the people's campaign and now not apparently not allowed to do work for U&S. i am ready and willing to do work, but i am being kept from doing so by the U & S edit board of which yourself, keith and louise are on (also part of the NBPC of which we were expelled) maura is allowed to do work because she has never declared affiliation with SWORD, although she is part of S&S and did come to the meetings as a representative of it. If the crux of the isuue of our involvement on the paper lies in idealogical differences, then why is she invited to do work as a part of S&S which presented 1 of the 2 analysis's that U&S did not agree with? that is bullshit. and i do see it as sabotage to develop a practice of expelling and excluding revolutionaries from doing work, which seems to have been going on for "six years" and which i myself have experienced multiple times since have been active. i also see these as valid points and a valuable discussion working towards a productive end that do not warrant a response of nonsense words on your part. what about you? >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Taz >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:51:37 > >Joe- you are a walking paradox. Amazing. > > >Relatedly: >Pick one that suits you (I like "pretty kettle of fish", or "not made with >rose water") > > >V. WORDS RELATING TO THE VOLUNTARY POWERS; INDIVIDUAL VOLITION >IV. ANTAGONISM >1. Conditional antagonism >Difficulty. > >[Antonyms: facility.] > >[Nouns] difficulty; hardness; impracticability (impossibility) [more]; >tough >work, hard work, uphill work; hard task, Herculean task, Augean task; task >of Sisyphus, Sisyphean labor, tough job, teaser, rasper, dead lift. > >dilemma, embarrassment; deadlock; perplexity (uncertainty) [more]; >intricacy; entanglement [more]; cross fire; awkwardness, delicacy, ticklish >card to play, knot, Gordian knot, dignus vindice nodus, net, meshes, maze; >coil (convolution) [more]; crooked path; involvement. > >nice point, delicate point, subtle point, knotty point; vexed question, >vexata quaestio, poser; puzzle (riddle) [more]; paradox; hard nut to crack, >nut to crack; bone to pick, crux, pons asinorum, where the shoe pinches. > >nonplus, quandary, strait, pass, pinch, pretty pass, stress, brunt; >critical >situation, crisis; trial, rub, emergency, exigency, scramble. > >scrape, hobble, slough, quagmire, hot water, hornet's nest; sea of >troubles, >peck of troubles; pretty kettle of fish; pickle, stew, imbroglio, mess, >ado; >false position. > >set fast, stand; deadlock, dead set. > >fix, horns of a dilemma, cul de sac; hitch; stumblng block (hindrance) >[more]. > >[Verbs] be difficult; run one hard, go against the grain, try one's >patience, put one out; put to one's shifts, put to one's wit's end; go hard >with one, try one; pose, perplex (uncertain) [more]; bother, nonplus, >gravel, bring to a deadlock; be impossible [more]; be in the way of >(hinder) >[more]. > >meet with difficulties; labor under difficulties; get into difficulties; >plunge into difficulties; struggle with difficulties; contend with >difficulties; grapple with difficulties; labor under a disadvantage; be in >difficulty > >fish in troubled waters, buffet the waves, swim against the stream, scud >under bare poles. > >have much ado with, have a hard time of it; come to the push, come to the >pinch; bear the brunt. > >grope in the dark, lose one's way, weave a tangled web, walk among eggs. > >get into a scrape; bring a hornet's nest about one's ears; be put to one's >shifts; flounder, boggle, struggle; not know which way to turn (uncertain) >[more]; perdre son Latin; stick at, stick in the mud, stick fast; come to a >stand, come to a deadlock; hold the wolf by the ears. > >render difficult; enmesh, encumber, embarrass, ravel, entangle; put a spoke >in the wheel (hinder) [more]; lead a pretty dance. > >[Adjectives] difficult, not easy, hard, tough; troublesome, toilsome, >irksome; operose, laborious, onerous, arduous, Herculean, formidable; >sooner >said than done; more easily said than done. > >difficult to deal with, hard to deal with; ill-conditioned, crabbed; not to >be handled with kid gloves, not made with rose water. > >awkward, unwieldy, unmanageable; intractable, stubborn (obstinate) [more]; >perverse, refractory, plaguy, trying, thorny, rugged; knotted, knotty; >invious; pathless, trackless; labyrinthine (convoluted) [more]; intricate, >complicated (tangled) [more]; impracticable (impossible) [more]; not >feasible [more]; desperate (hopeless) [more]. > >embarrassing, perplexing (uncertain) [more]; delicate, ticklish, critical; >beset with difficulties, full of difficulties, surrounded by difficulties, >entangled by difficulties, encompassed with difficulties. > >under a difficulty; in a box; in difficulty, in hot water, in the suds, in >a >cleft stick, in a fix, in the wrong box, in a scrape, in deep water, in a >fine pickle; in extremis; between two stools, between Scylla and Charybdis; >surrounded by shoals, surrounded by breakers, surrounded by quicksands; at >cross purposes; not out of the wood(s). > >reduced to straits; hard pressed, sorely pressed; run hard; pinched, put to >it, straitened; hard up, hard put to it, hard set; put to one's shifts; >puzzled, at a loss, (uncertain) [more]; at the end of one's tether, at >one's >wit's end, at a nonplus, at a standstill; graveled, nonplussed, stranded, >aground; stuck fast, set fast; up a tree, at bay, aux abois, driven into a >corner, driven from pillar to post, driven to extremity, driven to one's >wit's end, driven to the wall; au bout de son Latin; out of one's depth; >thrown out. > >accomplished with difficulty; hard-fought, hard-earned. > >[Adverbs] with difficulty, with much ado; hardly; uphill; against the >stream, against the grain; a rebours; invita Minerva; in the teeth of; at a >pinch, upon a pinch; at long odds. > >[Phrases] "ay there's the rub" [Hamlet]; hic labor hoc opus [Vergil]; >things >are come to a pretty pass, ab inconvenienti; ad astra per aspera; acun >chemin de fleurs ne conduit a la gloire. > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@... >Subject: [nbpc] Re: BURY schundle >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:09:19 -0400 > >**** the point **** > >this is the main point for all to see clear as day: > > Keith and Matt and Louise are the only ones saying that we > can not work together. They have been saying that for the last six > years. That has been their entire practice towards uniting > revolutionaries and winning the advanced to communism. > >and to matt, again you should watch your mouth especially for matters you >were not there to observe. you talk as if you attended kimako's, which you >did not - the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you >want what they got comin? keep talkin' > >joe > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 15:47:13 -0500 > > > >Cliff, > >the "proof" is this: > >"Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" -Joe Smith > > > >as I wrote below that line is a liquidation of the national question. >This > >shouild be > >obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Marxism-Leninism. > > > >again > >since we have ideological disagreements, this being a case in point, and > >since you > >feel that our relationship was exploitive how are we going to work >togther? > >I am starting to think that you are avoiding the point. > >Keith > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > prove this: > > > > > > "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption >that > > > equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional > > > >working class- " > > > > > > "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but > > > actually collapses the two." > > > > > > (hint--you cant cause its false.) > > > reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples. > > > cliff > > > > > > whens the next peoples campaign meeting? > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500 > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is > > > >trotskyism. > > > >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery >for > >the > > > >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and operates > >under > > > >the > > > >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among >the > > > >multi-natuional > > > >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. >It > > > >makes no > > > >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually > >collapses > > > >the two. > > > >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying > > > >marxism-leninism. > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!! > > > > > > > > > > break that down > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i >e-mailed > >it > > > >to > > > > > >myself > > > > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to david > > > >horowitz's > > > > > >10 > > > > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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Subject: [onepeoplesproject] FW: [CAN] Urgent Action - CUT Colombia
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:10:01 -0400
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Subject: [CAN] Urgent Action - CUT Colombia
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COLOMBIAN LABOR MONITOR
www.prairienet.org/clm
Monday, 2 July 2001
*****************
* URGENT ACTION *
*****************
The following is an Urgent Action appeal from the Human Rights
Department of the CUT Colombia which was issued on Friday, 29th June
2001.
Send protest e-mails, faxes and letters demanding a) protection for
trade unionists under threat and b) the removal of state impunity from
those carrying out the assassinations to:
Doctor Andres Pastrana Arango
President of the Republic, Palacio de Narino, Santafe de Bogota DC
E-mail: rdh@...
Fax: 00571 3362109 / 337 1351 / 2867434 / 286 6842
With copies to:
CUT Trade Union Federation, Departmento Derechos Humanos,
Calle 35 No 7-25 Piso 9, Bogota, Colombia.
Tel/Fax: 00571 288 8577 / 323 7550
E-mail: cutcol@...
Colombia Solidarity Campaign, PO Box 8446, London N17 6NZ
E-mail: colombia_sc@...
Colombian Labor Monitor
E-mail: clm@...
BARBARISM AGAINST COLOMBIAN TRADE UNIONS CONTINUES
Through its Human Rights Department, the Colombian United Workers
Federation (CUT) denounces the state of insecurity of trade union
leaders, which is clearly and categorically reflected in the violations
of human rights that have so far this year left 55 trade unionists
assassinated.
ASSASSINATION
In the night hours of 27th June 2001 comrade CRISTOBAL URIBE BELTRAN was
kidnapped by unknown persons. He was a worker in the Health Secretariat
in North Santander and a member of CUT affiliated union ANTHOC - the
Association of Workers and Employees in Hospitals, Clinics and
Organisations dedicating to Protecting the Health of the Community.
This kidnapping took place in the Municipality of Tibu in North
Santander and ended up with the assassination of comrade Cristobal who
was apparently killed by bullet wounds on 28th June.
THREATS
Comrade JORGE NISPERUZA, president of the executive of CUT - Cordoba,
was forcibly displaced from the city of Monteria, in the Department of
Cordoba as the consequence of an ultimatum obliging him to leave the
region within 24 hours or be executed. Right now we do not know in what
city or region our displaced comrade might be found, he had to leave his
activities and his family because of this serious threat on his life.
Comrade MARIO DE JESUS CASTANEDA, president of the CUT - Huila
departmental executive found himself under death threat, on a list of
trade unions in Neiva, the capital city of Huila. It is important to
make known that up to this point the Colombian government has not
established the necessary protection measures so that the comrade is not
assassinated and to guarantee his trade union activity.
Comrade GERARDO RODRIGO GENO GUERRERO, president of the National
Bankworkers union of Bancolombia S.S. - SINTRABANCOL has in the last
three years been the target of many telephone threats that clearly show
his life is in danger. These calls have also been trying to extort
money. To date, despite the history of danger in which the comrade and
his family live, the Colombian government has still not adopted
protection measures.
These recent cases of violations of our Human Rights leave it very clear
that the government of Doctor Andres Pastrana Arango, President of the
Republic of Colombia, does not have the will nor the political
commitment to implement real and immediate mechanisms to protect our
lives. The government is thereby violating the National Constitution,
agreements and international treaties, and the most recent
recommendations of the Human Rights Commission of the United Nations and
the International Labour Organisation.
The Colombian Government, to avoid assuming its political
responsibility, says, especially to the international community, that it
is unable to guarantee lives in the situation of armed conflict in the
country. This is an excuse that cannot be accepted because whether in
times of peace or in times of war, the government is obliged to
guarantee the right to life and to provide the means of us conducting
free trade union activity.
Via Andy Higginbottom
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Well, as I told some of you at Flavio's party, the Highland Park activities in question would become detrimental to New Brunswick activism activites. The Star-Ledger article is a political feast in waiting, a la the 1996/7 pro-appointed school board flyer in the outer reasches of Ward One. Check the numbers: they were devastating. I also pointed out to some that the effort behind Zofia's scheduled presentation on a public affairs matter should wait. The time is not right, and I do not see how the question can succeed given the electoral numbers. I calculate a 2,000 deficit. If one wishes, I can supply the breakdown and also aks many important institutional questions related to management issues relating to the aforementioned public affairs matter. I also hope that those who respond, won't attack me for being "weak" or whatever, such as "selling out." It's irrelevant to the issue, and it belies the fact that I've been working on a lawsuit of landmark status for three years and it's on the verge of blossing on the statewide scene. Caveat literator, Brian Villa ******************** FROM TODAY"S HOME NEWS: Group itself displays racism Racism is a virulent form of hate that must be dealt with straightforwardly, honestly and openly. It is with great interest that I have witnessed the bigotry in Highland Park be used as a political football by the People's Campaign. The People's Campaign has tried to tie bigotry to a rise of Nazism in Highland Park. True, bigotry does exist in Highland Park and a number of people associated with former Mayor James Polos have a provable history of racial intolerance. Additionally, the current mayor and council have not answered all the public's concerns on this matter definitively. However, the People's Campaign insistance that "bigotry is Nazism" is not directly linkable. If bigotry and Nazism were synonymous, then the People's Campaign could be judged as a Nazi hate group itself. Since the end of last year's election, most of its members are revolutionary socialists and they have demonstrable records of racial insensitivity, physical harassment and hysterical propaganda. Added to this, the lack of respect for women shown in the group points to misogyny Despite this, the People's Campaign has had the hypocritical fortitude to go to the Borough Council in Highland Park. Clearly, it was not discussed that most of the People's Campaign members are from out of town. Clearly, it was not discussed that their leader, Xavier Hansen, is moving out of Highland Park this summer. Clearly, it does not take a crystal ball to see that the People's Campaign has no intention of staying in Highland Park to improve the borough. As an Afro-American, I have a sincere desire to have real change stem from this glimpse into the dark side of Highland Park government. Clearly, the current administration has not been forthcoming. Clearly, the People's Campaign has jumped on this issue for selfish reasons. I hope that respectable leaders follow through in an unselfish way to reform the public works department and Highland Park so we can sincerely say "never again" to all forms of bigotry, racism and hate. Tracy Ford NEW BRUNSWICK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
From the NYT: July 19, 2001 Clergy to Ask Minority Voters to Weigh Stances on Profiling By ROBERT HANLEY RENTON, July 18 � A prominent black New Jersey clergyman said today that he and fellow pastors would urge black and Hispanic voters to withhold their support for any candidate for governor who does not endorse measures to counter racial profiling. The minister, Reginald T. Jackson, who is the executive director of the Black Ministers Council, said the organization wants both major-party candidates, Jim McGreevey and Bret D. Schundler, to drop their opposition to ending state troopers' practice of asking some motorists to consent to searches, and to support measures to outlaw racial profiling. Mr. Jackson contended during a news conference at the State House that stop-and-search statistics released Tuesday by the New Jersey attorney general's office showed that profiling, a practice in which minority drivers are stopped in disproportionate numbers, continues. Mr. Jackson vowed that pastors of the 600 churches in the council would urge their congregations not to back gubernatorial candidates who do not endorse the council's anti-profiling proposals. "It is not enough to come to our churches, attend our events, parade in our communities and smile in our faces," Mr. Jackson said. "If you want us to stand with you, then we expect you to stand with us on this issue." Mr. Jackson noted that a third candidate for governor, William E. Schluter, a state senator running as an independent, has endorsed the council's positions. In response to a question, he declined to rule out the possibility of seeking minority-community support for Mr. Schluter. In the past, both Mr. Schundler, the Republican candidate, and Mr. McGreevey, the Democrat, have expressed opposition to ending consent searches, which often follow traffic stops. The New Jersey Senate Judiciary Committee has called for a ban on such searches, in which police officers who stop a car ask the motorist for permission to search the vehicle. A spokesman for Mr. Schundler, Bill Guhl, declined to comment on Mr. Jackson's comments. Mr. Guhl said Mr. Schundler would issue a proposal on the issue soon. In a statement today, Mr. McGreevey called profiling immoral, illegal and abhorrent. He repeated his opposition to banning consent searches, calling them an important crime- fighting tool. Responding to Mr. Jackson's call for a law banning profiling as a civil offense, Richard McGrath, a spokesman for Mr. McGreevey, said a new law was not needed, because officers who engage in profiling face prosecution. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>My question is directed at Joe or Cliff, > joe here >Since we have ideological disagreements that prevent us from jointly >working on the edit board of U&S that is your position. >and since you have stated that our previuos relationship was exploitation keith, i plan on exploiting every resource at my disposal in order to unite revolutionaries. >what do you propose to do? i propose that we put forward our ideological differences open and above board through U&S and let the people, at the very least, participate in the development of our revolutionary analysis. >this is not a rhetorical question. I would sincerely like to know. it is a good question & we ask the same of yourself. for you to continue to put forward that we cannot work together is going to work to isolate yourself. >Keith > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
keith, for six years you have found one reason or another which suit your purposes in order to explain that you cannot work with me/SWORD. do you deny that you exploit SWORD's ability to distribute the paper and at the same time deny our own political arguements from being printed? what does that mean, manure for cointelpro? manny and letti threatened my life. you were screaming and demanding that we should go out back and fight. i am nothing but honest about my life so fuck yourself with this counter-intelligence fabrication. what is a meek threat? we work together just like that keith... WE WORK TOGETHER it is you that forever says you can't do it. joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: BURY schundle >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 18:59:54 -0500 > >Joe, >this statement of yours: >"the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you >want what they got comin? keep talkin'" >is more manure for cointelpro >If you constanly have to resort to meek threats when your ability to make a >coherent >arguemnt fails: why would anyone want to work with you on anything? > >I think I already asked this question 7 or 8 times but just for kicks I'll >ask again: >How do you propose to work together if you think that we are exploiting >you? > >Keith > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > **** the point **** > > > > this is the main point for all to see clear as day: > > > > Keith and Matt and Louise are the only ones saying that we > > can not work together. They have been saying that for the last six > > years. That has been their entire practice towards uniting > > revolutionaries and winning the advanced to communism. > > > > and to matt, again you should watch your mouth especially for matters >you > > were not there to observe. you talk as if you attended kimako's, which >you > > did not - the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, >you > > want what they got comin? keep talkin' > > > > joe > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 15:47:13 -0500 > > > > > >Cliff, > > >the "proof" is this: > > >"Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" -Joe Smith > > > > > >as I wrote below that line is a liquidation of the national question. >This > > >shouild be > > >obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Marxism-Leninism. > > > > > >again > > >since we have ideological disagreements, this being a case in point, >and > > >since you > > >feel that our relationship was exploitive how are we going to work >togther? > > >I am starting to think that you are avoiding the point. > > >Keith > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > prove this: > > > > > > > > "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption >that > > > > equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional > > > > >working class- " > > > > > > > > "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but > > > > actually collapses the two." > > > > > > > > (hint--you cant cause its false.) > > > > reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples. > > > > cliff > > > > > > > > whens the next peoples campaign meeting? > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is > > > > >trotskyism. > > > > >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery >for > > >the > > > > >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and >operates > > >under > > > > >the > > > > >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among >the > > > > >multi-natuional > > > > >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. >It > > > > >makes no > > > > >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually > > >collapses > > > > >the two. > > > > >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying > > > > >marxism-leninism. > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!! > > > > > > > > > > > > break that down > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > >you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i >e-mailed > > >it > > > > >to > > > > > > >myself > > > > > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to >david > > > > >horowitz's > > > > > > >10 > > > > > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at > > >rutger's > > > > >last > > > > > > > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is >it? > > >do > > > > >you > > > > > > >agree > > > > > > > > that your boss should rob you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss >robbing me > > >or > > > > >any > > > > > > >boss > > > > > > >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You >are > > > > >confusing > > > > > > >two > > > > > > >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are >repeartions > > >for > > > > > > >chattel slavery. > > > > > > >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the > > > > >multi-national > > > > > > >working > > > > > > >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers > > >throughout > > > > >the > > > > > > >U&S got > > > > > > >repartions along with afro-american workers then the >relationship > > >would > > > > >not > > > > > > >change.You > > > > > > >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it > > >that u > > > > >do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class > > > > >organization. > > > > > > >If you are > > > > > > >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such > > >basis." > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > > > > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around." > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what >else > > >needs > > > > >to > > > > > > >be > > > > > > > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept >of > > >u&s > > > > >is to > > > > > > > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! >not > > >to > > > > >sit > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both > > >know > > > > >your > > > > > > > > practice is out to lunch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively > > >very > > > > > > >specificly in the > > > > > > >piece to whihc you responded. > > > > > > >the issue is: > > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit > > >board > > > > >is > > > > > > >one trend. > > > > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your > > >brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working > > > > >relationship > > > > > > >that you > > > > > > >feel is non-exploitative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". >If > > >this > > > > >were > > > > > > >the case > > > > > > >than why would you be so eager to unite with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate > > >yourself > > > > >from > > > > > > > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you > > >organize. > > > > >if > > > > > > >i > > > > > > > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt >had > > > > > > >cancelled, i > > > > > > > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on >at > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to >be in > > > > >town on > > > > > > >the > > > > > > >original date and you came to that meeting > > > > > > >. > > > > > > >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of >yrself. > > >" i > > > > > > >don't see > > > > > > >reason that there would be any production going on at all." >Are > > >you > > > > >also > > > > > > >actaully the > > > > > > >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose > > >behalf > > > > >all > > > > > > >people are > > > > > > >acting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the > > > > >republicans in > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been > > >rectified. > > > > >nor > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things > > > > >impossible to > > > > > > > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with > > >republicans. > > > > >what > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is >dim > > >is on > > > > >the > > > > > > > > housing authority - that is your bag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your >proposal > > >for > > > > > > >rectification > > > > > > >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you. > > > > > > >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from >the > > > > > > >organization and > > > > > > >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I > > >think > > > > >that > > > > > > >it is more > > > > > > >important that the majority of people involved with the >camapign > > > > >understand > > > > > > >what is > > > > > > >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just >be > > > > >repeated > > > > > > >(maybe > > > > > > >with an ultra-left cover). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > > > > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of >clear > > > > > > >ideological > > > > > > > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the > > >People's > > > > > > > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an > > > > >anti-republican > > > > > > > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical >line." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but what are you going to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again >maybe > > >I'm > > > > > > >blinded by > > > > > > >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply > > >above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans >must > > >be > > > > > > >removed > > > > > > > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign > > >because > > > > >in > > > > > > >fact > > > > > > > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition >to > > >the > > > > > > >peoples > > > > > > > > productive development? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that this is the same again. > > > > > > >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive > > >development"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is >a > > >little > > > > > > >lengthy, I > > > > > > >would reiterate this point as being central: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit > > >board > > > > >is a > > > > > > >single > > > > > > >trend. > > > > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your > > >brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working > > > > >relationship > > > > > > >that you > > > > > > >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not >possible > > >until > > > > > > >there is a > > > > > > >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship >is > > > > >termed > > > > > > >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have > > >made > > > > >more > > > > > > >than one > > > > > > >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it >is > > >like > > > > >fresh > > > > > > > > >air." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I >think > > > > >Matt's > > > > > > > > >meaning is that > > > > > > > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own > > >responsibility > > > > >for > > > > > > > > >curtis' > > > > > > > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the > > >CAPB, > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >which > > > > > > > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working > > >class > > > > > > >activists > > > > > > > > >& > > > > > > > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of >clear > > > > > > >ideological > > > > > > > > >leadership > > > > > > > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's > > >Campaign > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >support for > > > > > > > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line >and > > >a > > > > >lack > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >any > > > > > > > > >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not >only > > >"not > > > > >put > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged >curtis to > > >be > > > > > > > > >republican, > > > > > > > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in >fact > > > > >yrselves > > > > > > > > >embraced > > > > > > > > > > republican partying" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized >on > > > > >numerous > > > > > > > > >occassions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the > > > > >republican > > > > > > > > >party, > > > > > > > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more >liberal > > > > >marks > > > > > > >like > > > > > > > > > > yrself to con." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems >to > > >be > > > > >in > > > > > > >line > > > > > > > > >with the > > > > > > > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and >even > > >the > > > > > > >most > > > > > > > > >extreme right > > > > > > > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even >nominated > > >Foster > > > > >as > > > > > > > > >their VP an > > > > > > > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us > > >something > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as >well > > >as > > > > >black > > > > > > > > >nationalism) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you >"serious > > > > >about > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from >the > > > > >absence > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > paper)?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear >to > > >me > > > > >that > > > > > > >you > > > > > > > > >feel that > > > > > > > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was > > > > > > >"exploitative" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & >SWORD" > > >we > > > > >stand > > > > > > > > >ready > > > > > > > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & >struggle > > > > >through > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our > > > > >involvement > > > > > > >(& > > > > > > > > >even, > > > > > > > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & >above > > > > >board, > > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > >yr > > > > > > > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my >opinion > > >make > > > > >joint > > > > > > > > >editorial work > > > > > > > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of >style. > > >I > > > > >have > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > >hard time > > > > > > > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for >instance > > >and > > > > >also > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > >hard time > > > > > > > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. >Those > > >are > > > > > > > > >ultra-ultra left > > > > > > > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing > > >ideology > > > > >see > > > > > > > > >Mussolini, G. > > > > > > > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint > > > > >editorial > > > > > > >work > > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. > > >That is > > > > >we > > > > > > > > >don't agree on > > > > > > > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub > > >heading > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >inability to > > > > > > > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of >an > > > > > > >organiztaion > > > > > > > > >whose > > > > > > > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and >we > > > > >wasted > > > > > > >mor > > > > > > > > >than one > > > > > > > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let >that > > > > >continue > > > > > > > > >would have been > > > > > > > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on > > >production > > > > >and in > > > > > > > > >fact the last > > > > > > > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have >made > > >it > > > > >clear > > > > > > > > >that anything > > > > > > > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an > > >exploititive > > > > > > > > >relationship. Since > > > > > > > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor >are > > >we > > > > > > >interested > > > > > > > > >in having > > > > > > > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current >relationship > > >or > > > > >lack > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >one is on > > > > > > > > >you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something >of > > >a > > > > >joke. > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > >Smith > > > > > > > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this > > >accusation in > > > > >his > > > > > > > > >essay "Let the > > > > > > > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM > > > > >articles to > > > > > > >lay > > > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the >same > > > > >muddled > > > > > > >super > > > > > > > > >subjective > > > > > > > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up >his > > >own > > > > > > > > >subjectyivty to the > > > > > > > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity > > >(see > > > > >also > > > > > > >above > > > > > > > > >"working > > > > > > > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff >was > > > > >expelled > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >numerous > > > > > > > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but >Cliff > > > > >believes > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >not only > > > > > > > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the >working > > > > >class) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around >the > > >issue > > > > >of > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >paper and > > > > > > > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left >version of > > >the > > > > > > >"office > > > > > > > > >space > > > > > > > > >community center club house" line. That is placing >production > > >and > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >productive > > > > > > > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the > > > > >political > > > > > > >line > > > > > > > > >of the > > > > > > > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" >new > > >and > > > > > > >improved > > > > > > > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, >that > > >stated > > > > > > >white > > > > > > > > >workers need > > > > > > > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested >in > > > > >putting > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out >political > > >lines > > > > > > > > >endorsing > > > > > > > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other >way > > > > >around. > > > > > > > > >Production > > > > > > > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the >essence of > > > > > > >economism > > > > > > > > >(see "What > > > > > > > > >is To be done") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the >U&S > > > > >editorial > > > > > > > > >board than > > > > > > > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit >board > > >then > > > > > > >first > > > > > > > > >we must come > > > > > > > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd >SWORD > > > > > > >believes > > > > > > > > >that helping > > > > > > > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend >to > > > > >exploit > > > > > > > > >anyones > > > > > > > > >resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood >at > > > > >present > > > > > > >or > > > > > > > > >predicted > > > > > > > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unite, don't split > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and >its > > > > > > >subordination > > > > > > > > >to party > > > > > > > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he >likes, > > > > >without > > > > > > > > >restrictions. > > > > > > > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is >also > > >free > > > > >to > > > > > > >expel > > > > > > > > >memers who > > > > > > > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. >Freedom > > >of > > > > > > >speech > > > > > > > > >and of the > > > > > > > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association >must be > > > > > > >complete > > > > > > > > >too..." > > > > > > > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected > > >Works > > > > > > >Volume 10 > > > > > > > > >p.47) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >CC: amirib@... > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes >your > > > > >positions > > > > > > > > >right > > > > > > > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, >I > > >was > > > > >wrong > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >say > > > > > > > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will >certainly > > > > >continue > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him >back > > >into > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over >many > > >many > > > > > > >working > > > > > > > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a >time > > >not > > > > >too > > > > > > >long > > > > > > > > >ago > > > > > > > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation > > > > >together...As > > > > > > >we've > > > > > > > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against >Republican > > > > >danger, > > > > > > >etc. > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that >dogmatism, > > >not > > > > > > > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his >democratic > > > > > > >tendencies. > > > > > > > > >& > > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously >run > > > > > > >completely > > > > > > > > > > >counter > > > > > > > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, > > > > > > >not-about-to-be-reformed > > > > > > > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- >I > > >say > > > > >this > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >you: > > > > > > > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans >causes > > >you, > > > > >the > > > > > > >more > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, > > >even > > > > >Sissy > > > > > > > > >Adams.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was >exploiting > > >your > > > > > > > > >resources > > > > > > > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us >more > > > > >serious > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. > > >(CS:..."Though > > > > >our > > > > > > > > >lay-out > > > > > > > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As >far > > >as > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >definitive > > > > > > > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would >say > > >talk > > > > >to > > > > > > >AB, > > > > > > > > >try > > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. > > >Otherwise, > > > > >good > > > > > > > > >luck > > > > > > > > > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > > > > > > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over > > >Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and >all > > >labor, > > > > > > > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, >anti-democratic > > >New > > > > > > > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union >contractor, > > >NOVA > > > > > > > > > > >Development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, >the > > > > > > >elimination > > > > > > > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, > > >with no > > > > > > > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime > > >against > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director >of > > >NBHA, > > > > >has > > > > > > > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union > > > > >developer, > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! 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keith, for six years you have found one reason or another which suit your purposes in order to explain that you cannot work with me/SWORD. do you deny that you exploit SWORD's ability to distribute the paper and at the same time deny our own political arguements from being printed? what does that mean, manure for cointelpro? manny and letti threatened my life. you were screaming and demanding that we should go out back and fight. i am nothing but honest about my life so fuck yourself with this counter-intelligence fabrication. what is a meek threat? we work together just like that keith... WE WORK TOGETHER it is you that forever says you can't do it. joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: BURY schundle >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 18:59:54 -0500 > >Joe, >this statement of yours: >"the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, you >want what they got comin? keep talkin'" >is more manure for cointelpro >If you constanly have to resort to meek threats when your ability to make a >coherent >arguemnt fails: why would anyone want to work with you on anything? > >I think I already asked this question 7 or 8 times but just for kicks I'll >ask again: >How do you propose to work together if you think that we are exploiting >you? > >Keith > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > **** the point **** > > > > this is the main point for all to see clear as day: > > > > Keith and Matt and Louise are the only ones saying that we > > can not work together. They have been saying that for the last six > > years. That has been their entire practice towards uniting > > revolutionaries and winning the advanced to communism. > > > > and to matt, again you should watch your mouth especially for matters >you > > were not there to observe. you talk as if you attended kimako's, which >you > > did not - the threats i received by manny and letti are not forgotten, >you > > want what they got comin? keep talkin' > > > > joe > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 15:47:13 -0500 > > > > > >Cliff, > > >the "proof" is this: > > >"Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" -Joe Smith > > > > > >as I wrote below that line is a liquidation of the national question. >This > > >shouild be > > >obvious to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Marxism-Leninism. > > > > > >again > > >since we have ideological disagreements, this being a case in point, >and > > >since you > > >feel that our relationship was exploitive how are we going to work >togther? > > >I am starting to think that you are avoiding the point. > > >Keith > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > prove this: > > > > > > > > "liquidates the demand and operates under the unstated assumption >that > > > > equality has already been achieved among the multi-natuional > > > > >working class- " > > > > > > > > "It makes no distinction between the minimum and maximum program but > > > > actually collapses the two." > > > > > > > > (hint--you cant cause its false.) > > > > reparations for oppressed nations &all oppressed peoples. > > > > cliff > > > > > > > > whens the next peoples campaign meeting? > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 21:39:59 -0500 > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > >yr slogan "Reperations for the multi-national working class!!" is > > > > >trotskyism. > > > > >U&S put forward and has been struggling for reperations for slavery >for > > >the > > > > >afro-american nation. Your slogan liquidates the demand and >operates > > >under > > > > >the > > > > >unstated assumption that equality has already been achieved among >the > > > > >multi-natuional > > > > >working class- that's trotskyism. The slogan is militant reformism. >It > > > > >makes no > > > > >distinction between the minimum and maximum program but actually > > >collapses > > > > >the two. > > > > >Maybe yr rrrrrrevolutionary practice should include studying > > > > >marxism-leninism. > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperations for the multi-national working class!! > > > > > > > > > > > > break that down > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] BURY schundler > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 19:00:16 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > >you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "that is the headline the targum gave the essay (when i >e-mailed > > >it > > > > >to > > > > > > >myself > > > > > > > > the title became such) which was written in response to >david > > > > >horowitz's > > > > > > >10 > > > > > > > > reasons why reparations for blacks is wrong... you were at > > >rutger's > > > > >last > > > > > > > > semester weren't you? didn't catch your position, where is >it? > > >do > > > > >you > > > > > > >agree > > > > > > > > that your boss should rob you?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure exactly what your saying, but as to my boss >robbing me > > >or > > > > >any > > > > > > >boss > > > > > > >robbing anyone, that it is not the issue of reparations. You >are > > > > >confusing > > > > > > >two > > > > > > >distinct things. Reparations for afro-americacans are >repeartions > > >for > > > > > > >chattel slavery. > > > > > > >Reparations is one of the ways to create equality among the > > > > >multi-national > > > > > > >working > > > > > > >calss so that unity is easier to achieve. If white workers > > >throughout > > > > >the > > > > > > >U&S got > > > > > > >repartions along with afro-american workers then the >relationship > > >would > > > > >not > > > > > > >change.You > > > > > > >are making the demand for reparations a demand for socialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "i don't see any working class people in the capb, how is it > > >that u > > > > >do?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >When the coalition existed it was primarily a working class > > > > >organization. > > > > > > >If you are > > > > > > >gloating about its demise I don't know what to tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "you are off the wall to explain your arguements from such > > >basis." > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't know what that sentence is refering to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > > > > > "Politics must lead production not the other way around." > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That's my line, I don't think that you answered it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the differences in our ideologies are on the table, what >else > > >needs > > > > >to > > > > > > >be > > > > > > > > done to put forward the newspaper collectively? the concept >of > > >u&s > > > > >is to > > > > > > > > unite revolutionaries, and to win the advanced to communism! >not > > >to > > > > >sit > > > > > > >in > > > > > > > > meetings until we all agree with your IDEAS, because we both > > >know > > > > >your > > > > > > > > practice is out to lunch... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I raised the question of putting froward the paper collectively > > >very > > > > > > >specificly in the > > > > > > >piece to whihc you responded. > > > > > > >the issue is: > > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit > > >board > > > > >is > > > > > > >one trend. > > > > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your > > >brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working > > > > >relationship > > > > > > >that you > > > > > > >feel is non-exploitative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I don't think that we both know my "practice is out to lunch". >If > > >this > > > > >were > > > > > > >the case > > > > > > >than why would you be so eager to unite with it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keith, the fact is i have seen you expell and disassociate > > >yourself > > > > >from > > > > > > > > more revolutionary/working class people than i've seen you > > >organize. > > > > >if > > > > > > >i > > > > > > > > didn't call amiri and set up a meeting, which you and matt >had > > > > > > >cancelled, i > > > > > > > > don't see reason that there would be any production going on >at > > >all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actaully I don't think that you know much about my practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We re-scheduled the meeting because Baraka was not going to >be in > > > > >town on > > > > > > >the > > > > > > >original date and you came to that meeting > > > > > > >. > > > > > > >I especially like the super subjective grandiose vision of >yrself. > > >" i > > > > > > >don't see > > > > > > >reason that there would be any production going on at all." >Are > > >you > > > > >also > > > > > > >actaully the > > > > > > >emobiement of Reason that travels throughout history on whose > > >behalf > > > > >all > > > > > > >people are > > > > > > >acting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reason the same criticism is coming forward about the > > > > >republicans in > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > peoples' campaign is because the situation has not been > > >rectified. > > > > >nor > > > > > > >have > > > > > > > > you offered anything more than a mere admittance to things > > > > >impossible to > > > > > > > > deny about your affiliation with such alliances with > > >republicans. > > > > >what > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > your plan keith to rectify the situation, because as it is >dim > > >is on > > > > >the > > > > > > > > housing authority - that is your bag. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >You can make the criticism untill the cows come home. Your >proposal > > >for > > > > > > >rectification > > > > > > >is to expel the republicans and re-admit you. > > > > > > >I already sd that I agree republicans should be expelled from >the > > > > > > >organization and > > > > > > >that SWORD should be united with in the People's Campaign.But I > > >think > > > > >that > > > > > > >it is more > > > > > > >important that the majority of people involved with the >camapign > > > > >understand > > > > > > >what is > > > > > > >happening and what mistakes were made, otherwise they will just >be > > > > >repeated > > > > > > >(maybe > > > > > > >with an ultra-left cover). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you say: > > > > > > > > "I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of >clear > > > > > > >ideological > > > > > > > > leadership and bad political line which came to head in the > > >People's > > > > > > > > Campaign with support for bright and suppression of an > > > > >anti-republican > > > > > > > > political line and a lack of any revolutionary polirtical >line." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but what are you going to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that you are just repeating yrself here, but again >maybe > > >I'm > > > > > > >blinded by > > > > > > >ignorance if so please cast the light. Otherwise see my reply > > >above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is going to lead the vote to announce all republicans >must > > >be > > > > > > >removed > > > > > > > > and are not welcome in the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign > > >because > > > > >in > > > > > > >fact > > > > > > > > the racist republicans party is the most vicous opposition >to > > >the > > > > > > >peoples > > > > > > > > productive development? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that this is the same again. > > > > > > >But I do have a question. What is "the peoples productive > > >development"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I tried to answer the isues you raise, but since this reply is >a > > >little > > > > > > >lengthy, I > > > > > > >would reiterate this point as being central: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >1. unity on the edit board requires ideological unity, the edit > > >board > > > > >is a > > > > > > >single > > > > > > >trend. > > > > > > >2. joint work on production was called "exploitative" by your > > >brother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As far as I am concerned it is on you to propose some working > > > > >relationship > > > > > > >that you > > > > > > >feel is non-exploitative. First, editorial unity is not >possible > > >until > > > > > > >there is a > > > > > > >change in political line.Secondly, if the current relationship >is > > > > >termed > > > > > > >"exploitative" then it must change. There's the problem. I have > > >made > > > > >more > > > > > > >than one > > > > > > >proposal for its solution. As far as I am concerned its on you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 11:17:24 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To respond to Cliff's comments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "what is "unfortunate" about curtis' "confession"? it >is > > >like > > > > >fresh > > > > > > > > >air." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I agree. Curtis explaining his position brings clarity, I >think > > > > >Matt's > > > > > > > > >meaning is that > > > > > > > > >it is unfortunate that Curtis is loyal to the Republicans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "while yr "exploring", you might "explore" yr own > > >responsibility > > > > >for > > > > > > > > >curtis' > > > > > > > > > > republican betrayal. he comes from yr organization, the > > >CAPB, > > > > >from > > > > > > > > >which > > > > > > > > > > you (henson-style) embraced the right & expelled working > > >class > > > > > > >activists > > > > > > > > >& > > > > > > > > > > revolutionaries. where is the CAPB now?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think that NJFO has a responsibility for its lack of >clear > > > > > > >ideological > > > > > > > > >leadership > > > > > > > > >and bad political line which came to head in the People's > > >Campaign > > > > >with > > > > > > > > >support for > > > > > > > > >bright and suppression of an anti-republican political line >and > > >a > > > > >lack > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >any > > > > > > > > >revolutionary polirtical line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "you might also "explore" how not only did yr NBPC not >only > > >"not > > > > >put > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > > > warnings of the republican danger", but encouraged >curtis to > > >be > > > > > > > > >republican, > > > > > > > > > > created a "communist" "ideology" to support it, & in >fact > > > > >yrselves > > > > > > > > >embraced > > > > > > > > > > republican partying" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is true enough although it has already been criticized >on > > > > >numerous > > > > > > > > >occassions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "recognize that curtis does not proclaim to "reform" the > > > > >republican > > > > > > > > >party, > > > > > > > > > > rather to "reform" its "image"--that is to find more >liberal > > > > >marks > > > > > > >like > > > > > > > > > > yrself to con." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >That is how Curtis stated his case and that certainly seems >to > > >be > > > > >in > > > > > > >line > > > > > > > > >with the > > > > > > > > >compassionate conservativism strategy of Shundler/Bush and >even > > >the > > > > > > >most > > > > > > > > >extreme right > > > > > > > > >wing section of the Buchanan reform party who even >nominated > > >Foster > > > > >as > > > > > > > > >their VP an > > > > > > > > >afro-american woman. (although that shopuld also tell us > > >something > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >limitations of "woman" based ideology (ie."sisterhood" as >well > > >as > > > > >black > > > > > > > > >nationalism) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ""finally", why shd it take my remarks to make you >"serious > > > > >about > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > > self-reliant" (which you apparently aren't, judging from >the > > > > >absence > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > paper)?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We don't want to exploit anyone. yr "remarks" made it clear >to > > >me > > > > >that > > > > > > >you > > > > > > > > >feel that > > > > > > > > >the relationship we had as to production of the paper was > > > > > > >"exploitative" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "as far as the definitive relationship between U&S & >SWORD" > > >we > > > > >stand > > > > > > > > >ready > > > > > > > > > > to produce the paper as a collective organizer & >struggle > > > > >through > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > differences. as you apparently are uninterested in our > > > > >involvement > > > > > > >(& > > > > > > > > >even, > > > > > > > > > > apparently, in yr own production!), you shd, openly & >above > > > > >board, > > > > > > >state > > > > > > > > >yr > > > > > > > > > > reasons for sectarian sabotage of the paper." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We have numerous ideological differences which in my >opinion > > >make > > > > >joint > > > > > > > > >editorial work > > > > > > > > >impossible at the moment. (not to mention differences of >style. > > >I > > > > >have > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > >hard time > > > > > > > > >trusting anyone who doesn't believe in friendship for >instance > > >and > > > > >also > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > > >hard time > > > > > > > > >working with people who do not believe in trust itself. >Those > > >are > > > > > > > > >ultra-ultra left > > > > > > > > >lines which really resolve as the essence of right-wing > > >ideology > > > > >see > > > > > > > > >Mussolini, G. > > > > > > > > >Gordon Liddy, the SA in Nazi Germany for examples). Joint > > > > >editorial > > > > > > >work > > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > > >impossible given our differences as we learned in practice. > > >That is > > > > >we > > > > > > > > >don't agree on > > > > > > > > >fundamental issues (in particular reparations (and as a sub > > >heading > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >inability to > > > > > > > > >be self-critical) and the woman question and the idea of >an > > > > > > >organiztaion > > > > > > > > >whose > > > > > > > > >ideology is sisterhood is not marxist, it is feminist) and >we > > > > >wasted > > > > > > >mor > > > > > > > > >than one > > > > > > > > >entire edit board meetings debating these points. To let >that > > > > >continue > > > > > > > > >would have been > > > > > > > > >the actual sabatage. We discussed working together on > > >production > > > > >and in > > > > > > > > >fact the last > > > > > > > > >newspaper SWORD printed/photocopied. Since then you have >made > > >it > > > > >clear > > > > > > > > >that anything > > > > > > > > >short of joint work on the edit board constitutes an > > >exploititive > > > > > > > > >relationship. Since > > > > > > > > >we are not interetsed in knowingly exoploiting anyone nor >are > > >we > > > > > > >interested > > > > > > > > >in having > > > > > > > > >an edit board of multifarious trends our current >relationship > > >or > > > > >lack > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > > >one is on > > > > > > > > >you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As to the continued accusation of sabatage, it is something >of > > >a > > > > >joke. > > > > > > >Joe > > > > > > > > >Smith > > > > > > > > >official spokesman of the oppressed first raised this > > >accusation in > > > > >his > > > > > > > > >essay "Let the > > > > > > > > >oppressed speak". His charge is that Matt did not send HIM > > > > >articles to > > > > > > >lay > > > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > >therefore the newspaper is being sabotaged. This is the >same > > > > >muddled > > > > > > >super > > > > > > > > >subjective > > > > > > > > >logic as the title of his piece suggests. Joe has blown up >his > > >own > > > > > > > > >subjectyivty to the > > > > > > > > >point that he belives that his subjectivity is objectivity > > >(see > > > > >also > > > > > > >above > > > > > > > > >"working > > > > > > > > >class activists" expelled from Coalition. actually Cliff >was > > > > >expelled > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >numerous > > > > > > > > >working calss activist remained in the organization but >Cliff > > > > >believes > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >not only > > > > > > > > >does he represent the working calss but that he is the >working > > > > >class) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Looking at the political line of SWORD especially around >the > > >issue > > > > >of > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >paper and > > > > > > > > >its production we are actually seeing the ultra-left >version of > > >the > > > > > > >"office > > > > > > > > >space > > > > > > > > >community center club house" line. That is placing >production > > >and > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >productive > > > > > > > > >forces above politics. Joe nor Cliff is concerned with the > > > > >political > > > > > > >line > > > > > > > > >of the > > > > > > > > >newspaper just "come out with it" "where is it" "hurry up" >new > > >and > > > > > > >improved > > > > > > > > >revolutionary newsaper faster stronger better than before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe wrote an article, that has been endlessly defended, >that > > >stated > > > > > > >white > > > > > > > > >workers need > > > > > > > > >reparations along with afro-americans. I am not interested >in > > > > >putting > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > >political line. Nor am I interested in putting out >political > > >lines > > > > > > > > >endorsing > > > > > > > > >"sisterhood". Politics must lead production not the other >way > > > > >around. > > > > > > > > >Production > > > > > > > > >before politics is the theory of sponatinety and the >essence of > > > > > > >economism > > > > > > > > >(see "What > > > > > > > > >is To be done") > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If SWORD wants to help put out the political line of the >U&S > > > > >editorial > > > > > > > > >board than > > > > > > > > >let's go, but if they insist on being a part of the edit >board > > >then > > > > > > >first > > > > > > > > >we must come > > > > > > > > >to ideological resolutions. From what has already been sd >SWORD > > > > > > >believes > > > > > > > > >that helping > > > > > > > > >with production is exploitation. We certainly do not intend >to > > > > >exploit > > > > > > > > >anyones > > > > > > > > >resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "scientific socialists dismiss "luck". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Actually, luck is part of that which can not be understood >at > > > > >present > > > > > > >or > > > > > > > > >predicted > > > > > > > > >with accuracy. For instance wheather at a rally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unite, don't split > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"....First of all, we are discussing party literature and >its > > > > > > >subordination > > > > > > > > >to party > > > > > > > > >control. Everyone is free to write and say whatever he >likes, > > > > >without > > > > > > > > >restrictions. > > > > > > > > >But every voluntary association (including the party) is >also > > >free > > > > >to > > > > > > >expel > > > > > > > > >memers who > > > > > > > > >use the name of the party to advocate anti-party views. >Freedom > > >of > > > > > > >speech > > > > > > > > >and of the > > > > > > > > >press must be complete. But then freedom of association >must be > > > > > > >complete > > > > > > > > >too..." > > > > > > > > >(Lenin. "Party Organization and Party Literature" Collected > > >Works > > > > > > >Volume 10 > > > > > > > > >p.47) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >CC: amirib@... > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Et tu, Curtis? > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 04:44:49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe- It seems Curtis' unfortunate "confession" makes >your > > > > >positions > > > > > > > > >right > > > > > > > > > > >about him & mine wrong. To the extent that this is so, >I > > >was > > > > >wrong > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >say > > > > > > > > > > >that you lied about his past. However, we will >certainly > > > > >continue > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >explore the role that BOL/SWORD played in pushing him >back > > >into > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >Republican fold--as we will be struggling to win over >many > > >many > > > > > > >working > > > > > > > > > > >class people from the Republican party. There was a >time > > >not > > > > >too > > > > > > >long > > > > > > > > >ago > > > > > > > > > > >that we were reading DuBois & Baraka's Black Nation > > > > >together...As > > > > > > >we've > > > > > > > > > > >agreed the NBPC didn't put out warnings against >Republican > > > > >danger, > > > > > > >etc. > > > > > > > > >on > > > > > > > > > > >the one hand, but on the other I maintain that >dogmatism, > > >not > > > > > > > > > > >Marxism-Leninism, caused BOL not to embrace his >democratic > > > > > > >tendencies. > > > > > > > > >& > > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >the extent that they still exist, they will obviously >run > > > > > > >completely > > > > > > > > > > >counter > > > > > > > > > > >to the objectives of the racist, imperialist, > > > > > > >not-about-to-be-reformed > > > > > > > > > > >Republican Party, hopefully causing distress. (Curtis- >I > > >say > > > > >this > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >you: > > > > > > > > > > >The less distress your embrace of the Republicans >causes > > >you, > > > > >the > > > > > > >more > > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > >self interest has won over the interests of the people, > > >even > > > > >Sissy > > > > > > > > >Adams.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Finally, it was Cliff's statement that U&S was >exploiting > > >your > > > > > > > > >resources > > > > > > > > > > >directly following our "unity meeting" that made us >more > > > > >serious > > > > > > >about > > > > > > > > > > >being > > > > > > > > > > >self-reliant, an innevitable and necessary move. > > >(CS:..."Though > > > > >our > > > > > > > > >lay-out > > > > > > > > > > >and distribution resources are readily exploited.") As >far > > >as > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >definitive > > > > > > > > > > >relationship that exists between U&S & SWORD, I would >say > > >talk > > > > >to > > > > > > >AB, > > > > > > > > >try > > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >organize another sit down, do what you need to do. > > >Otherwise, > > > > >good > > > > > > > > >luck > > > > > > > > > > >with the Union/housing battle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > > > >From: cliffsmith69@... > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] support laborers union! > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 21:15:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick Supports > > > > > > > > > > >Laborers' Union, City Jobs, & Community Control Over > > >Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We stand in solidarity with the Laborers' Union, and >all > > >labor, > > > > > > > > > > >organized or not, against the anti-worker, >anti-democratic > > >New > > > > > > > > > > >Brunswick Housing Authority and its non-union >contractor, > > >NOVA > > > > > > > > > > >Development. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >After J&J's genocidal ethnic cleansing of downtown NB, >the > > > > > > >elimination > > > > > > > > > > >of 180 affordable housing units in New Brunswick Homes, > > >with no > > > > > > > > > > >replacement housing in motion, it is a further crime > > >against > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >people that Kevin Quince, $100,000 Executive Director >of > > >NBHA, > > > > >has > > > > > > > > > > >given the Projects Demolition Contract to a non-union > > > > >developer, > > > > > > >with > > > > > > > > > > >not a single worker from the community! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >We join the fight for local jobs! But also for union > > >labor, > > > > >and > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > > > > >community control over housing, in part through an > > >All-Elected, > > > > > > > > > > >Resident Housing Authority! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The people need More Democracy, Not Less! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Union Jobs! > > > > > > > > > > >Community Employment! > > > > > > > > > > >Affordable Housing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Contact Joe Smith > > > > > > > > > > >729.0390 > > > > > > > > > > >can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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now watch as schundler comes out with some half ass position that jackson will place his lips around >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Rev. Jackson's new stance on Racial Profiling >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:19:49 > >From the NYT: > >July 19, 2001 > >Clergy to Ask Minority Voters to Weigh Stances on Profiling >By ROBERT HANLEY > >RENTON, July 18 � A prominent black New Jersey clergyman said today that he >and fellow pastors would urge black and Hispanic voters to withhold their >support for any candidate for governor who does not endorse measures to >counter racial profiling. > >The minister, Reginald T. Jackson, who is the executive director of the >Black Ministers Council, said the organization wants both major-party >candidates, Jim McGreevey and Bret D. Schundler, to drop their opposition >to >ending state troopers' practice of asking some motorists to consent to >searches, and to support measures to outlaw racial profiling. > >Mr. Jackson contended during a news conference at the State House that >stop-and-search statistics released Tuesday by the New Jersey attorney >general's office showed that profiling, a practice in which minority >drivers >are stopped in disproportionate numbers, continues. > >Mr. Jackson vowed that pastors of the 600 churches in the council would >urge >their congregations not to back gubernatorial candidates who do not endorse >the council's anti-profiling proposals. "It is not enough to come to our >churches, attend our events, parade in our communities and smile in our >faces," Mr. Jackson said. "If you want us to stand with you, then we expect >you to stand with us on this issue." > >Mr. Jackson noted that a third candidate for governor, William E. Schluter, >a state senator running as an independent, has endorsed the council's >positions. In response to a question, he declined to rule out the >possibility of seeking minority-community support for Mr. Schluter. > >In the past, both Mr. Schundler, the Republican candidate, and Mr. >McGreevey, the Democrat, have expressed opposition to ending consent >searches, which often follow traffic stops. > >The New Jersey Senate Judiciary Committee has called for a ban on such >searches, in which police officers who stop a car ask the motorist for >permission to search the vehicle. > >A spokesman for Mr. Schundler, Bill Guhl, declined to comment on Mr. >Jackson's comments. Mr. Guhl said Mr. Schundler would issue a proposal on >the issue soon. > >In a statement today, Mr. McGreevey called profiling immoral, illegal and >abhorrent. He repeated his opposition to banning consent searches, calling >them an important crime- fighting tool. Responding to Mr. Jackson's call >for >a law banning profiling as a civil offense, Richard McGrath, a spokesman >for >Mr. McGreevey, said a new law was not needed, because officers who engage >in >profiling face prosecution. > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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Reparations as a particular democratic demand: ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Human Rights Watch" <hrwatchnyc@...> To: <hrw-news@...> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Reparations Urged for Slavery, Segregation > Reparations Urged for Slavery, Segregation > > (New York, July 19, 2001) In advance of a major international conference > on racism, Human Rights Watch today called for reparations to counter > the most severe continuing effects of slavery, segregation, and other > extreme forms of racism. > > Human Rights Watch said national and international panels should be > created with maximum transparency and public participation to identify > and acknowledge past abuses and to guide action to counter their > present-day effect. > > "Groups that suffer today because of slavery or other severe racist > practices should be compensated > by governments responsible for these > practices," said Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human > Rights Watch. "Those most > seriously victimized today by past wrongs should > be the first priority for compensation to end > their victimization." > > Roth said reparations for past abuse should focus first on groups that > continue to suffer the most > severe hardships. "We're not talking about a handout or a windfall," > said Roth. "We are calling for long-term commitments to correct the > damage done to the groups left most seriously disadvantaged." > > Human Rights Watch proposed the establishment of national panels, in > multiracial countries such as the United States, Brazil and South > Africa, as well as one or more international panels to look at the > effect of the slave trade. These panels would focus on tracing these > effects not for particular individuals but for groups. > > The panels should serve as truth commissions aiming to reveal the extent > to which a government's past racist practices contribute to contemporary > deprivation domestically and abroad, Roth said. They should educate the > public, acknowledge responsibility, and propose methods of redress and > making amends. > > A primary purpose of reparations would be to address the social and > economic foundations of today's victims' continuing > marginalization-through means such as investment in education, housing, > health care, or job training. > > The question of compensation for slavery will be one of the most > controversial topics when the U.N. World Conference Against Racism, > Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance meets in > Durban, South Africa from August 31 to September 7. > > A copy of Human Rights Watch's position paper is available at: > http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/race/reparations.htm. > > For more information on race and human rights, please see: > > Racism & Human Rights (HRW Campaign Page) at > http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/race/index.htm. > > ==^================================================================ > EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://igc.topica.com/u/?aVximT.aVFmvw > Or send an email To: hrw-news-unsubscribe@... > This email was sent to: howardnelson@... > > T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! > http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register > ==^================================================================ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
keith, 1. drop off as many issues of u&s as you want distributed 2. under what conditions have you been arguing for our reinstatement to the nbpc? - who are you arguing with? - has it ever come to a vote? 3. when will the republicans be voted out!! on the basis of they clearly do not represent the people? let alone WARON republican curtis lied and manipulated the entire campaign (until exposed by SWORD), let alone dim stole the residents seat for the housing authority - both of which are clear violations of the struggle for community control which can never be reconciled as these contradictions stem from their republican allegiance. 3. when and where is the next nbpc meeting? 4. when and where is the next nbpc meeting? joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Question >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 07:19:28 -0500 > >Maybe this is moving forward, > > > Since we have ideological disagreements that prevent us from jointly > > >working on the edit board of U&S > > > > that is your position. > > > >Our ideological differences are not in my imaginzation. I assume your point >is that >they don't prevent us from working together. I agree with that except that >they do >prevent us from working on the edit board together. That is not a six year >mystical >grudge, we had two edit board meetings that degenerated into arguements >over very >fundamnetal political lines. While we agree on a number of points we have >fundamental >disagreements over the issue of the Afro-American national question and the >woman >question. I am all for sorting those differences out in the newspaper but >not at the >edit board meetings. > > > >and since you have stated that our previuos relationship was > > exploitation > > > > keith, i plan on exploiting every resource at my disposal in order to >unite > >I am not interested in exploiting people who should be my allies. Your >response avoids >the point. A claim was made that your organziation was being exploited. I'm >not >interested in maintaing such a relationship. > > > >what do you propose to do? > > > > i propose that we put forward our ideological differences open and >above > > board through U&S and let the people, at the very least, participate in >the > > development of our revolutionary analysis. > > > >I already asked Cliff but anyone from yr organziation could write something >that is >around 300 words and we will respond and print it. I planned to do that >with the piece >that Cliff sent but it was 2000 words and I couldn't find a way to break it >down. If >you want you could also break down that article into 300-400 word sections >and we >could print it as a series with responses. > > > > > >this is not a rhetorical question. I would sincerely like to know. > > > > it is a good question & we ask the same of yourself. for you to continue >to > > put forward that we cannot work together is going to work to isolate > > yourself. > > > >Here is were you lose me. You can't "ask the same of me". We had a working >relationship and then you said that we were exploiting you. We refuse to be >in any >relationship and then be told that we are exploiting people. So that's why >I ask you >what you suggest. "We work together" is a little vague. I want to know >exactly what is >the relationship going to be that is not exploitative.Then we will have >something to >talk about. > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
or if you have originals for the paper get them to me. we still have to split costs for the first two issues. probably $125 would be U&S half for production of over 2000 8 page papers. joe >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Question >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:25:17 -0400 > >keith, >1. drop off as many issues of u&s as you want distributed > >2. under what conditions have you been arguing for our reinstatement to the >nbpc? >- who are you arguing with? >- has it ever come to a vote? > >3. when will the republicans be voted out!! on the basis of they clearly do >not represent the people? let alone WARON republican curtis lied and >manipulated the entire campaign (until exposed by SWORD), let alone dim >stole the residents seat for the housing authority - both of which are >clear >violations of the struggle for community control which can never be >reconciled as these contradictions stem from their republican allegiance. > >3. when and where is the next nbpc meeting? > >4. when and where is the next nbpc meeting? > >joe > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Question > >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 07:19:28 -0500 > > > >Maybe this is moving forward, > > > > > Since we have ideological disagreements that prevent us from jointly > > > >working on the edit board of U&S > > > > > > that is your position. > > > > > > >Our ideological differences are not in my imaginzation. I assume your >point > >is that > >they don't prevent us from working together. I agree with that except >that > >they do > >prevent us from working on the edit board together. That is not a six >year > >mystical > >grudge, we had two edit board meetings that degenerated into arguements > >over very > >fundamnetal political lines. While we agree on a number of points we have > >fundamental > >disagreements over the issue of the Afro-American national question and >the > >woman > >question. I am all for sorting those differences out in the newspaper but > >not at the > >edit board meetings. > > > > > >and since you have stated that our previuos relationship was > > > exploitation > > > > > > keith, i plan on exploiting every resource at my disposal in order to > >unite > > > >I am not interested in exploiting people who should be my allies. Your > >response avoids > >the point. A claim was made that your organziation was being exploited. >I'm > >not > >interested in maintaing such a relationship. > > > > > >what do you propose to do? > > > > > > i propose that we put forward our ideological differences open and > >above > > > board through U&S and let the people, at the very least, participate >in > >the > > > development of our revolutionary analysis. > > > > > > >I already asked Cliff but anyone from yr organziation could write >something > >that is > >around 300 words and we will respond and print it. I planned to do that > >with the piece > >that Cliff sent but it was 2000 words and I couldn't find a way to break >it > >down. If > >you want you could also break down that article into 300-400 word >sections > >and we > >could print it as a series with responses. > > > > > > > > >this is not a rhetorical question. I would sincerely like to know. > > > > > > it is a good question & we ask the same of yourself. for you to >continue > >to > > > put forward that we cannot work together is going to work to isolate > > > yourself. > > > > > > >Here is were you lose me. You can't "ask the same of me". We had a >working > >relationship and then you said that we were exploiting you. We refuse to >be > >in any > >relationship and then be told that we are exploiting people. So that's >why > >I ask you > >what you suggest. "We work together" is a little vague. I want to know > >exactly what is > >the relationship going to be that is not exploitative.Then we will have > >something to > >talk about. > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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except that the members of U&S edit board have sabatoged every major political line that the edit board had come forward with for the last six years. and that has a direct relationship to the work i am trying to accomplish. when U&S and myself has the same position on the election about beat bush2 demand more from gore nix nader but members of U&S board don't put out that line and in fact expell myself, cliff and others that did put out that line there is need for concern and you must address my concern amiri - open and above board. not only was U&S's analysis dissed, but keith and matthew and louise all worked as agents for the republican party during the entire campaign. so much so that keith received over 1900 votes as a registered republican. trenton took notice of such things going on and rewarded frank bright, the chair of the new brunswick republican party, with an appointment to the housing authority. this is unprecedented for a republican to hold a position of office in new brunswick. not only was U&S sabatoged, but the peoples' campaign platform of community control was sabatoged by the U&S edit board. and to suggest that this should be resolved in edit board meetings in insufficient to me. your edit board is still in the peoples' campaign which is still organized with republicans and you need to explain how this has happened. backwards leadership is something you need to criticize yourself for amiri because it is U&S edit board that has organized more for the republicans than the republicans have ever accomplished in new brunswick. if you want to act as if you have everything under control, i am going to have to see proof. and quick. three members of your edit board have initiated physical violence against me last time i encountered them. this also must be addressed by yourself. as far as it seems your edit board must not close itself off to those interested in uniting revolutionaries - such a mistake will end the paper. where is the new issue? i saw one copy when i met with ras saturday where are the rest? they need to be distributed?????!!!!!! joe >From: Amirib@... >To: can_bush@... >Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:34:51 EDT > >Let us deal with U&S matters at U&S editboard meetings. It seems to me, >that the whole election mess in NB is the result of backward leadership. >"Cure The Sickness, Save The Patient", sez Mao > >Re Gov race, wd be good to get a check list of differences between the two. >nOT ONL;Y TO DDRAW THE CONTRAST BUT TO MAKE SPECIFIC DEMANDS ON MCGREEVEY >DEMOCRATS, > >Our Line is , roughly, " SMASH SCHUNDLER & THE REPUBLICAN RIGHT, DEMAND >PEOPLES DEMOCRACY FROM MCGREEVEY, EXPOSE THE BUSH--REPUBLICAN SUPPORTING >LIBERALISM OF THE NADER- GREEN BERETS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
what has become detrimental? you must explain more clearly. fuck tracy ford >From: b v <villavoice@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: villavoice@... >Subject: [nbpc] BRIAN VILLA requests your attention. >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) > >Well, as I told some of you at Flavio's party, the >Highland Park activities in question would become >detrimental to New Brunswick activism activites. The >Star-Ledger article is a political feast in waiting, a >la the 1996/7 pro-appointed school board flyer in the >outer reasches of Ward One. Check the numbers: they >were devastating. > >I also pointed out to some that the effort behind >Zofia's scheduled presentation on a public affairs >matter should wait. The time is not right, and I do >not see how the question can succeed given the >electoral numbers. I calculate a 2,000 deficit. > >If one wishes, I can supply the breakdown and also aks >many important institutional questions related to >management issues relating to the aforementioned >public affairs matter. > >I also hope that those who respond, won't attack me >for being "weak" or whatever, such as "selling out." >It's irrelevant to the issue, and it belies the fact >that I've been working on a lawsuit of landmark status >for three years and it's on the verge of blossing on >the statewide scene. > >Caveat literator, > >Brian Villa > > >******************** >FROM TODAY"S HOME NEWS: > > >Group itself displays racism > >Racism is a virulent form of hate that must be dealt >with straightforwardly, honestly and openly. It is >with great interest that I have witnessed the bigotry >in Highland Park be used as a political football by >the People's Campaign. > >The People's Campaign has tried to tie bigotry to a >rise of Nazism in Highland Park. True, bigotry does >exist in Highland Park and a number of people >associated with former Mayor James Polos have a >provable history of racial intolerance. Additionally, >the current mayor and council have not answered all >the public's concerns on this matter definitively. >However, the People's Campaign insistance that >"bigotry is Nazism" is not directly linkable. > >If bigotry and Nazism were synonymous, then the >People's Campaign could be judged as a Nazi hate group >itself. Since the end of last year's election, most of >its members are revolutionary socialists and they have >demonstrable records of racial insensitivity, physical >harassment and hysterical propaganda. Added to this, >the lack of respect for women shown in the group >points to misogyny > >Despite this, the People's Campaign has had the >hypocritical fortitude to go to the Borough Council in >Highland Park. Clearly, it was not discussed that most >of the People's Campaign members are from out of town. >Clearly, it was not discussed that their leader, >Xavier Hansen, is moving out of Highland Park this >summer. Clearly, it does not take a crystal ball to >see that the People's Campaign has no intention of >staying in Highland Park to improve the borough. > >As an Afro-American, I have a sincere desire to have >real change stem from this glimpse into the dark side >of Highland Park government. Clearly, the current >administration has not been forthcoming. Clearly, the >People's Campaign has jumped on this issue for selfish >reasons. I hope that respectable leaders follow >through in an unselfish way to reform the public works >department and Highland Park so we can sincerely say >"never again" to all forms of bigotry, racism and >hate. > >Tracy Ford >NEW BRUNSWICK > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
****** Roth said reparations for past abuse should focus first on groups that continue to suffer the most severe hardships. "We're not talking about a handout or a windfall," said Roth. "We are calling for long-term commitments to correct the damage done to the groups left most seriously disadvantaged." ****** 1st this must be working women from oppressed nations. a particular demand of reparations within the general democratic struggle. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations Urged for Slavery, Segregation--Human Rights >Watch >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 06:25:44 > >Reparations as a particular democratic demand: > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Human Rights Watch" <hrwatchnyc@...> >To: <hrw-news@...> >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:00 PM >Subject: Reparations Urged for Slavery, Segregation > > > > Reparations Urged for Slavery, Segregation > > > > (New York, July 19, 2001) In advance of a major international >conference > > on racism, Human Rights Watch today called for reparations to counter > > the most severe continuing effects of slavery, segregation, and other > > extreme forms of racism. > > > > Human Rights Watch said national and international panels should be > > created with maximum transparency and public participation to identify > > and acknowledge past abuses and to guide action to counter their > > present-day effect. > > > > "Groups that suffer today because of slavery or other severe racist > > practices should be compensated > > by governments responsible for these > > practices," said Kenneth Roth, Executive Director of Human > > Rights Watch. "Those most > > seriously victimized today by past wrongs should > > be the first priority for compensation to end > > their victimization." > > > > Roth said reparations for past abuse should focus first on groups that > > continue to suffer the most > > severe hardships. "We're not talking about a handout or a windfall," > > said Roth. "We are calling for long-term commitments to correct the > > damage done to the groups left most seriously disadvantaged." > > > > Human Rights Watch proposed the establishment of national panels, in > > multiracial countries such as the United States, Brazil and South > > Africa, as well as one or more international panels to look at the > > effect of the slave trade. These panels would focus on tracing these > > effects not for particular individuals but for groups. > > > > The panels should serve as truth commissions aiming to reveal the >extent > > to which a government's past racist practices contribute to >contemporary > > deprivation domestically and abroad, Roth said. They should educate the > > public, acknowledge responsibility, and propose methods of redress and > > making amends. > > > > A primary purpose of reparations would be to address the social and > > economic foundations of today's victims' continuing > > marginalization-through means such as investment in education, housing, > > health care, or job training. > > > > The question of compensation for slavery will be one of the most > > controversial topics when the U.N. World Conference Against Racism, > > Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance meets in > > Durban, South Africa from August 31 to September 7. > > > > A copy of Human Rights Watch's position paper is available at: > > http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/race/reparations.htm. > > > > For more information on race and human rights, please see: > > > > Racism & Human Rights (HRW Campaign Page) at > > http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/race/index.htm. > > > > ==^================================================================ > > EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://igc.topica.com/u/?aVximT.aVFmvw > > Or send an email To: hrw-news-unsubscribe@... > > This email was sent to: howardnelson@... > > > > T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! > > http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register > > ==^================================================================ > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...> Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motherlandcollective] Verse 4 Verse - Wed, July 25 @ The Bridge Club, Newark Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Verse 4 VersePoetry Cafe' Featured ArtistJamal St. JohnWith Special Guest Poet and Author of the Poetry Compilation "Release"Lyric Hosted by Ras Baraka and Juba DowdellWith Music Provided By "The Joint" Plus Open Mic Showcase @ The Brand New Bridge Club343 Washington St.Downtown Newark, NJ 07102(b/w Court St. & William St.) Wednesday July 25, 2001 Doors Open @ 7pmShowtime @ 8pm $8 Cover$10 After 10pm For Information on Obtaining "Release" by LyricGo to www.sincerity.ccFor More Information Contact Trevor Philips 800.424.3192 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...> Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motherlandcollective] no seat in the Park - Art Installation in Military Park Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT) FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: ELISABETH SSENJOVU: 973-274-1660 NEWARK ARTS COUNCIL NEWS 17 Academy Street, Suite 1104, Newark, NJ 07102 For Immediate Release 7/12/01 / Newark, NJ no seat in the Park: Newark Arts Council Presents Temporary Art Installation in Downtown Newark�s Military Park A temporary art installation designed and fabricated by artist roycrosse and presented by the Newark Arts Council will open on Thursday, July 26 at 4:00PM in Military Park in the Downtown Newark Arts District. The exhibit will consist of a series of 15 miniature chairs suspended 10-15 feet above the ground. The lightweight chairs are constructed from wire and fabric in bold, primary colors and are approximately 23�high x 12�wide x 12�deep. The exhibition in Military Park is scheduled to run through September, 2001. The objectives of the exhibition are to initiate community dialogue regarding the use and accessibility of public space in the urban landscape; to encourage collaboration through the arts between the business and philanthropic communities and the community at large; to create an arts destination for new City visitors; and to establish City-wide public art programs creating opportunities for regional artists. A conversation with roycrosse was held at the artist�s studio at 50 Columbia Street where he presented the concept and a model to supporters. �The concept of exploring issues of urban development through art is a fantastic way to stimulate enthusiasm and interest in both art and our immediate surroundings. Supporting the work of artists not only welcomes new artists into our community but also encourages artists who are currently living here, to stay,� stated roycrosse at the studio presentation. Supporters and sponsors of this innovative public art initiative include Rutgers Institute on Ethnicity, Culture and the Modern Experience; Newark Downtown District; Iandor Fine Arts Gallery; Aljira, a Center for Contemporary Art; Tree-Tech; Greater Newark Conservancy, Inc. and City Without Walls Gallery. Dr. Clement A. Price, Director of Rutgers Institute on Ethnicity, Culture and the Modern Experience, quoted "This is fascinating and, I believe, an important way to encourage our fellow citizens to consider the unique role of the artist and artistic imagination in public places. Newark has so many public areas where artists like roycrosse can help nourish our civic consciousness. His installation at Military Park will do just that." roycrosse, a Newark resident, is originally from Port of Spain, Trinidad, West Indies. He received formal art training at Ryerson and Center Tech School in Toronto, Canada. His work has been described as that which emerges �out of a deep reservoir of inherited visions and spiritual vitality� reflecting �the natural sensuality of the Caribbean world�and blending influences of Colonial Europe and Africa.� roycrosse has exhibited in Italy, Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean and throughout the United States. For additional information, contact the Newark Arts Council at 973.643.1625. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
if nader is so radical and progressive, why does his organization work for bush2? (you should read original arguements found below) The people cannot win the presidency, and don't give me shit about the $$ - enough said! "well, we did it to get money." The People cannot win the New Jersey Governor's race, we are not organized sufficiently at the moment, and the green party has worked only to strengthen the most destructive forces of imperialism by dividing the vote to bury bush2. The peoples' efforts must focus locally to win office, how can you type if you don't know the alphabet. In the state and national elections, our strategy is to waste the republicans to the best ability we can - the democrats to follow. We cannot even elect our board of education in New Brunswick - so fuck Coleman, we can do without any signs in the neighborhood. I would urge any green efforts be focused upon registering your community to vote at all events. We can build allainces around local elections, but it is the greens who are responsible for bush2 and the people know it, and our enemies know it. The greens have seats here and there across the country, no real threat for seizing power, which is what our focus must be. The people need every city council seat, in every city to win the state's election, and every state to win the nation. The greens would take hitler to gore - that's terrific, that young man in italy was so very glad while he was shot and run over. revolutionaries unite, win the advanced to communism! Smash Schoundler!! Ras Baraka for Newark City Council May 2002 - info coming - Isn't the head of the NJGreens chapter from Newark? fortune500 should have nothing else on his plate. the people vs. imperialism our struggle is not green, it is revolutionary. joe smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy 13 James Street New Brunswick NJ Re: Gov race, wd be good to get a check list of differences between the two. nOT ONL;Y TO DDRAW THE CONTRAST BUT TO MAKE SPECIFIC DEMANDS ON MCGREEVEY DEMOCRATS, Our Line is , roughly, " SMASH SCHUNDLER & THE REPUBLICAN RIGHT, DEMAND PEOPLES DEMOCRACY FROM MCGREEVEY, EXPOSE THE BUSH--REPUBLICAN SUPPORTING LIBERALISM OF THE NADER- GREEN BERETS (Unity & Struggle) From: "Jane M. Hunter" <janemhunter@...> To: <RUGreens@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [RUGreens] Fw: [gpnj-members] latest flyer on the Campus Greens' Founding Convention Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:17:44 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: ecovillager@... To: gpnj-members@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 1:57 AM Subject: [gpnj-members] latest flyer on the Campus Greens' Founding Convention Nader 2000 was only the beginning . . . Announcing: Campus Greens Founding Convention Thursday, August 9 through Sunday, August 12, 2001 University of Illinois-Chicago * Speakers and panels will address the future of the Greens, the role of identity politics in progressive third parties, corporate power, and much more! * Experienced activists will facilitate dozens of workshops on topics including, but not limited to, organizing effective direct actions, running electoral campaigns, facilitating meetings and building consensus, challenging racism, and fighting for affordable housing and a living wage. * Delegates from Campus Greens chapters around the country will craft bylaws, elect leadership, and develop a national organizing strategy for the year to come. * Participants will join the Rogers Park Action Network and other progressive Chicago organizations for a massive march through Chicago for affordable housing. * Register NOW to attend this historic founding convention, and take part in forming the future of the Green movement as we reclaim American Democracy! Related event: Campus Greens Rally for Radical Change Friday, August 10 The Congress Theater, Chicago, IL * Confirmed speakers and performers include Ralph Nader, Winona LaDuke, Robert Miranda, and Jello Biafra * Invited speakers and performers include Cynthia McKinney, Howard Zinn, Michael Moore, Amy Goodman, Ani Difranco, Radiohead, Common, Chuck D, Zach de la Rocha, and many, many more! All those registered for the Campus Greens Founding Convention by Thursday, August 9, will get into the Rally FREE! All others: buy your tickets NOW! Preparations... We only have four weeks left so don't put off making preparations! Here are just a few important things to keep in mind: 1) Chapter Registration - Remember it is much cheaper to attend this convention as a registered chapter, and secures you Chapter rights and privileges for the year. Check out our online Chapter Registration Form to register as a group or contact us at convention@... or (608)-251-3529. 2) Convention Registration: Space is limited at the convention and we are expecting a huge crowd. Each and every convention attendee must register with us individually. Individual convention registration can be done on our webpage at www.campusgreens.org. 3) Housing Registration: The cheapest housing will likely go first, so reserve your bed today! Options range from $5-$15 per night. Again space is limited so check out www.campusgreens.org right now to reserve your bed. 4) Transportation: Carpools, vans, and buses are being organized from all parts of the country. Contact us at carpool@... or (608)-251-3529 to get on board. The Campus Greens Founding Convention is shaping up to be one of the most important events for progressive organizers this summer . Don't miss out on your opportunity to take a leadership role in this exciting new organization. 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terrific matt, maybe we should try and organize the newspaper?? there could be V4V announcements inside U&S, no? >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, poprogress@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [motherlandcollective] Verse 4 Verse - Wed, July 25 @ >The Bridge Club, Newark >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:12:22 > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...> >Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com >To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [motherlandcollective] Verse 4 Verse - Wed, July 25 @ The Bridge >Club, Newark >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:58:52 -0700 (PDT) > > >Verse 4 VersePoetry Cafe' Featured ArtistJamal St. JohnWith Special Guest >Poet and Author of the Poetry Compilation "Release"Lyric Hosted by Ras >Baraka and Juba DowdellWith Music Provided By "The Joint" Plus Open Mic >Showcase @ The Brand New Bridge Club343 Washington St.Downtown Newark, NJ >07102(b/w Court St. & William St.) Wednesday July 25, 2001 Doors Open @ >7pmShowtime @ 8pm $8 Cover$10 After 10pm For Information on Obtaining >"Release" by LyricGo to www.sincerity.ccFor More Information Contact Trevor >Philips 800.424.3192 > > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
i can't wait to hand out the july issue in august >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [motherlandcollective] no seat in the Park - Art >Installation in Military Park >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:13:24 > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...> >Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com >To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [motherlandcollective] no seat in the Park - Art Installation in >Military Park >Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT) > > > FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: > >ELISABETH SSENJOVU: 973-274-1660 >NEWARK ARTS COUNCIL NEWS >17 Academy Street, Suite 1104, Newark, NJ 07102 > > >For Immediate Release >7/12/01 / Newark, NJ > >no seat in the Park: > >Newark Arts Council Presents Temporary Art Installation > >in Downtown Newark�s Military Park > > > >A temporary art installation designed and fabricated by artist roycrosse >and >presented by the Newark Arts Council will open on Thursday, July 26 at >4:00PM in Military Park in the Downtown Newark Arts District. > >The exhibit will consist of a series of 15 miniature chairs suspended 10-15 >feet above the ground. The lightweight chairs are constructed from wire and >fabric in bold, primary colors and are approximately 23�high x 12�wide x >12�deep. The exhibition in Military Park is scheduled to run through >September, 2001. > > > >The objectives of the exhibition are to initiate community dialogue >regarding the use and accessibility of public space in the urban landscape; >to encourage collaboration through the arts between the business and >philanthropic communities and the community at large; to create an arts >destination for new City visitors; and to establish City-wide public art >programs creating opportunities for regional artists. A conversation with >roycrosse was held at the artist�s studio at 50 Columbia Street where he >presented the concept and a model to supporters. > > > >�The concept of exploring issues of urban development through art is a >fantastic way to stimulate enthusiasm and interest in both art and our >immediate surroundings. Supporting the work of artists not only welcomes >new >artists into our community but also encourages artists who are currently >living here, to stay,� stated roycrosse at the studio presentation. > > > >Supporters and sponsors of this innovative public art initiative include >Rutgers Institute on Ethnicity, Culture and the Modern Experience; Newark >Downtown District; Iandor Fine Arts Gallery; Aljira, a Center for >Contemporary Art; Tree-Tech; Greater Newark Conservancy, Inc. and City >Without Walls Gallery. > > > >Dr. Clement A. Price, Director of Rutgers Institute on Ethnicity, Culture >and the Modern Experience, quoted "This is fascinating and, I believe, an >important way to encourage our fellow citizens to consider the unique role >of the artist and artistic imagination in public places. Newark has so many >public areas where artists like roycrosse can help nourish our civic >consciousness. His installation at Military Park will do just that." > > > >roycrosse, a Newark resident, is originally from Port of Spain, Trinidad, >West Indies. He received formal art training at Ryerson and Center Tech >School in Toronto, Canada. His work has been described as that which >emerges >�out of a deep reservoir of inherited visions and spiritual vitality� >reflecting �the natural sensuality of the Caribbean world�and blending >influences of Colonial Europe and Africa.� roycrosse has exhibited in >Italy, >Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean and throughout the United States. > > >For additional information, contact the Newark Arts Council at >973.643.1625. > > >--------------------------------- >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
can someone open this attachment, if it goes through, and explain to me what it is so i can understand why i would receive this ananomous e-mail? joe smith >From: "|"<|..@...> >To: can_bush@... >Subject: DEA BUDGET >Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:16:00 -0400 > >Hi! How are you? > >I send you this file in order to have your advice > >See you later. Thanks ><< DEABUDGET.xls.lnk >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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We have pointed out SWORD/BOL's line as an ultra-left inversion of the
rightism that liquidated the Revolutionary Democratic character of the
NBPeoples' Campaign--here's the best proof to date (sadly ironic that while
we argue for them to participate in UF/PC, they propose expelling the only
members of NJFO that stuck with U&S!) -Matt
From :
"joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
To :
jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@...,
AmiriB@...
Subject :
Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
Date :
Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:43:43 -0400
the U&S edit board is organized with republicans!
i propose that the republicans be expelled from the new brunswick peoples'
campaign
keith joseph, louise and matthew smith, at least, all worked as agents for
the republican party during the past election. keith ran as a registered
republican for new brunswick city council and received over 1900 votes - the
incumbents won with 5300 so that's a large share of the vote.
you should be directing these questions towards keith matt and louise and
amiri for proper explanation because i am not satisfied with the explanation
i received.
i will be more than willing to inform you about the campaign more and answer
any questions you want to shoot my way.
is there any way you can get me originals of the july U&S so i can
distribute them?
joe
From: Baker J Baker <jmodibo@...>
To: can_bush@..., AmiriB@...
CC: AmiriB@...
Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:15:17 -0400
I take serious a charge of sabotage, obviously the the Joe show I'm
watching right now is a sitcom on petty bourgeoise chauvinism. The people
you advocate expelling are they traitors, reactionaries,
anti-Communists????
M.
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To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some regret as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all endeavor that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against U&S, to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last three years." Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as such charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group list was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his charges could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a public defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. This is the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of POP have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be known. (As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we should no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the past, such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds know just who you are...) AS FOLLOWS: ----Original Message Follows---- From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> Subject: requested information Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 Matthew: 1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and centrism' dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, and there's no one to see it... Is 'Lefty' dead? Dead as a doornail, you better believe! I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. 2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a Zip drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught voice he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he would see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His voice was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. 3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He did this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something further. David ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it more confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: 1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to extract this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose polemics that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe that it was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may be related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries were taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder where his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years hard time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought us Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) 2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset that we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, and forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the violent threat here. 3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. "McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! (anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with DH's practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of argument, where's the violent threat? It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up with this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would rather my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. However, it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to manuever in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of playing the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones internally. In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
joe wrote:
i propose that the republicans be expelled from the new brunswick peoples'
campaign
what part of this has to do with you matt?
matt wrote:
while we argue for them to participate in UF/PC
who are you arguing with and where does this arguement take place?
when is the vote?
your "proof" is something you create in your mind because in reality all i
do is organize for revolutionary democracy. where as you and members of the
U&S edit board organized racist republican bright onto the housing authority
and are still organized with republicans. i would appreciate an answer to
those 3 questions via reply all.
joe smith
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: Amirib@..., jmodibo@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com,
>mauracarey@..., mcsmith74@..., traceyx@...
>CC: keithjoseph99@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Fwd: [njfo] Block on Locke
>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:37:55
>
>We have pointed out SWORD/BOL's line as an ultra-left inversion of the
>rightism that liquidated the Revolutionary Democratic character of the
>NBPeoples' Campaign--here's the best proof to date (sadly ironic that while
>we argue for them to participate in UF/PC, they propose expelling the only
>members of NJFO that stuck with U&S!) -Matt
>
>
>
>From :
>"joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>
>To :
>jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@...,
>AmiriB@...
>
>Subject :
>Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
>
>Date :
>Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:43:43 -0400
>
>the U&S edit board is organized with republicans!
>
>i propose that the republicans be expelled from the new brunswick peoples'
>campaign
>
>keith joseph, louise and matthew smith, at least, all worked as agents for
>the republican party during the past election. keith ran as a registered
>republican for new brunswick city council and received over 1900 votes -
>the
>incumbents won with 5300 so that's a large share of the vote.
>
>you should be directing these questions towards keith matt and louise and
>amiri for proper explanation because i am not satisfied with the
>explanation
>i received.
>
>i will be more than willing to inform you about the campaign more and
>answer
>any questions you want to shoot my way.
>
>is there any way you can get me originals of the july U&S so i can
>distribute them?
>
>joe
>
>
> From: Baker J Baker <jmodibo@...>
>To: can_bush@..., AmiriB@...
>CC: AmiriB@...
>Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
>Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:15:17 -0400
>
>I take serious a charge of sabotage, obviously the the Joe show I'm
>watching right now is a sitcom on petty bourgeoise chauvinism. The people
>you advocate expelling are they traitors, reactionaries,
>anti-Communists????
>
>M.
>
>
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matt, where is the new issue of U&S? i saw one that said july issue and there are only 4 days left in the month and i'm wondering who is responsible for not putting it out? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: �LLAMA A VIEQUES: A VOTAR POR LA #2! (CALL VIEQUES: >VOTE FOR #2!) >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:26:11 > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Vieques Libre" <viequeslibre@...> >To: List Member <vivaohio@...> >Subject: �LLAMA A VIEQUES: A VOTAR POR LA #2! (CALL VIEQUES: VOTE FOR #2!) >Date: 25 Jul 2001 15:57:38 -0000 > >Vieques Libre - http://www.viequeslibre.org > >--------------------------- ListBot Sponsor -------------------------- >Sopranos fanatics, this one is for you. Tony Soprano's autographed >Suburban is available for purchase on eBayTM. James Gandolfini has >personally signed the vehicle. Find this and over 800 other Sopranos >items for sale on eBay. >http://www.bcentral.com/listbot/ebay >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >�LLAMA A TUS CONTACTOS EN VIEQUES Y RECU�RDALES QUE VOTEN POR LA OPCI�N #2 >EN EL REFERENDUM DE ESTE DOMINGO! > >(CALL YOUR CONTACTS IN VIEQUES AND REMIND THEM TO VOTE FOR OPTION #2 IN >THIS SUNDAY'S REFERENDUM!) > > >La opci�n #2 dispone para el cese inmediato y permanente de toda actividad >militar en Vieques, y la devoluci�n y descontaminaci�n de los terrenos. >Las otras dos opciones disponen para dos a�os m�s de bombardeos (la #1) o >para bombardeo indefinido (la #3). > >(Option #2 provides for the immediate and permanent cease and desist of >all military activities in Vieques and for the return and decontamination >of the land. The other options provide for bombing for two more years >(option #1) or for indefinite bombing (option #3)). > > >CADA VOTO CUENTA, >QUE NADIE SE QUEDE EN LA CASA EL DOMINGO, >A VOTAR POR LA #2 >�Ni una Bomba M�s en Vieques. . .Fuera la Marina AHORA! > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to viequeslibre-unsubscribe@... > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
you should just argue the question of where are these progressives/revolutionaries at while ras baraka is running for Newark City Council? dave is in Newark as well is fortuncookie in Newark and these people should not be welcome to walk down the street if they don't work on ras' campaign. that said, where is the paper? how can i get one? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., amirib@..., >lknesta@..., lknesta@..., MeadHajduk@... >Subject: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:29 > > >To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some >regret >as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this >organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. > >That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all >endeavor >that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against U&S, >to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last three >years." > >Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as >such >charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as >effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group >list >was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his charges >could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a public >defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. This is >the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of POP >have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be known. >(As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we should >no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the past, >such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds know >just who you are...) > > >AS FOLLOWS: > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Subject: requested information >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 > >Matthew: > >1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and centrism' >dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: > >If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, >and there's no one to see it... >Is 'Lefty' dead? >Dead as a doornail, you better believe! > >I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led >Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. > >2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a Zip >drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught voice >he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he would >see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His >voice >was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. > >3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He did >this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for >abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something >further. > >David > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it more >confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least >interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: > >1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to extract >this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose polemics >that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe that >it >was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks >ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To >answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may be >related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla >organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries were >taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder where >his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years hard >time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought us >Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) > >2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset that >we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, and >forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the violent >threat here. > >3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. >"McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an >organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years >ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! >(anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with DH's >practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of argument, >where's the violent threat? > > >It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up with >this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would rather >my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. However, >it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to manuever >in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of playing >the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH >line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the >contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones internally. > >In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
we should beat him upside the head with july's issue of U&S! joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] Bush's anti-gay remarks >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:45:43 > >what's the date & location this quote came from? We should beat that >ignorant maniac upside the head with this quote. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: <dlj@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: "Community Action Against Racism (CAAR)" <unite@...>, "Coalition >For Justice" <coalitionforjustice@egroups.com>, "Mob Action" ><mobaction@egroups.com>, "New Jersey Freedom Organization" ><njfo@egroups.com>, "One People's Project (Egroups)" ><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, "People's Organization For Progress" ><poprogress@egroups.com> >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Bush's anti-gay remarks >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:24:37 -0400 > >From Oread Daily > >Here he comes. There he goes. President Bush says he plans to attend the >National Scout Jamboree in Virginia on Sunday, joining more than 32,000 >boys >in a quadrennial gathering known as ``the Olympics of Boy Scouting.'' Back >when, Bush accused the Clinton administration of threatening to throw the >Boy Scouts off federal land following the dispute over the Scouts policy of >excluding gay scout leaders. Bush, of course, supported that policy. >Apparently, he feels safe enough to now go hang out. The President >commented, "I�ve always been a target of gay men. I understand that. I am >pretty good looking you know. However, the Scout�s policy of keeping the >fa�, I mean homosexuals out of the organization, leads me to believe I can >make this trip without any concerns�if you know what I mean." The President >flashed his familiar smirk as he made these comments. > > > >IF YOU CONTINUE TO THINK AS YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET >WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT! > >VISIT THE ONE PEOPLE'S PROJECT WEBSITE: >http://www.onepeople.mysticalzone.net > >ALSO VISIT OUR IRC CHANNEL: >#oprchat at dalnet > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >onepeoplesproject-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >IF YOU CONTINUE TO THINK AS YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET >WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT! > >VISIT THE ONE PEOPLE'S PROJECT WEBSITE: >http://www.onepeople.mysticalzone.net > >ALSO VISIT OUR IRC CHANNEL: >#oprchat at dalnet > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >onepeoplesproject-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, poprogress@yahoogroups.com, >traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., amirib@..., >lknesta@..., lknesta@..., MeadHajduk@... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:03:17 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Received: from 24.190.56.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, >26 Jul 2001 16:03:17 GMT > > >you should just argue the question of where are these >progressives/revolutionaries at while ras baraka is running for Newark City >Council? dave is in Newark as well is fortuncookie in Newark and these >people should not be welcome to walk down the street if they don't work on >ras' campaign. > >that said, where is the paper? how can i get one? > >joe > > >>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >>To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >>traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., amirib@..., >>lknesta@..., lknesta@..., MeadHajduk@... >>Subject: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:29 >> >> >>To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some >>regret >>as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this >>organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. >> >>That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all >>endeavor >>that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against U&S, >>to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last three >>years." >> >>Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as >>such >>charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as >>effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group >>list >>was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his charges >>could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a public >>defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. This >>is >>the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of POP >>have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be >>known. >>(As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we should >>no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the past, >>such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds know >>just who you are...) >> >> >>AS FOLLOWS: >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >>To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >>Subject: requested information >>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 >> >>Matthew: >> >>1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and >>centrism' >>dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: >> >>If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, >>and there's no one to see it... >>Is 'Lefty' dead? >>Dead as a doornail, you better believe! >> >>I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led >>Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. >> >>2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a Zip >>drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught voice >>he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he would >>see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His >>voice >>was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. >> >>3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He did >>this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for >>abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something >>further. >> >>David >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it more >>confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least >>interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: >> >>1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to extract >>this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose >>polemics >>that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe that >>it >>was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks >>ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To >>answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may be >>related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla >>organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries were >>taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder where >>his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years >>hard >>time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought us >>Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) >> >>2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset that >>we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, and >>forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the violent >>threat here. >> >>3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. >>"McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an >>organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years >>ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! >>(anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with >>DH's >>practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of >>argument, >>where's the violent threat? >> >> >>It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up with >>this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would rather >>my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. However, >>it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to manuever >>in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of playing >>the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH >>line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the >>contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones internally. >> >>In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > For the record, I have no affiliation with this type of organizing, I have nothing but the utmost respect for Joe Fortunato and the work I have seen him do in POP, an organization that is comprised of some of the most dedicated individuals I have ever met. SUffice to say, attending graduate school makes it very difficult for me to participate on this level, but let me just say that, to Block on Lock, just becuase you put up some fliers, you do not have the privilege of obstructing constructive debate, of obstructing people's positive efforts, etc. Who do you speak for when you say people don't have the right to walk down the street if they don't participate in someone's campaign? IS this your application of Revolutionaries Unite? Do you think this will encourage people to join Ras' campaign? Do you think people working on the campaign would appreciate you rallying the masses in this way? It is sad to see you, like this, so far removed from reality and reducing the struggle to petty nonsense and posturing. THis type of debate does not inspire people to think, critically about how to improve strategy, it shuts people off and turns them away. IT is the same as when you threatened other revolutionaries at Kimoko's Blues People becuase you didn't appreciate the way the debate was going. You really need to assess your position in the movement, what are you trying to accomplish? What institution building is going on as a result of your diatribes? Tracey _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Do the members of this egroup have something relevant to New Brunswick and more particularly to the NBPC to write about? Or is it just going to be charges and countercharges about U&S, Newark politics and the rest? Given the irrelevant drivel I have been reading here, I am beginning to think that the Membership did not go far enough when it ordered the creation of nbpcmembers without ordering the shutdown of this board.
i sign people up. i jeopardize nothing with my method, but you can continue to examine. 17 year olds can register if they turn 18 before vote. check if you wish with the county commissioners office of essex county. this is because they have a deadline to register voters and if someone's birthday is after the deadline but before the vote they have the right to vote. the two people i signed up that cannot vote was clearly noted both on the form in large words and through verbal communication from myself to the organizer in charge of collecting the forms - one was not a citizen, one was 15. i registered 19 other people to vote that day and signed up 5 small businesses that said they would display a clipboard with voter registration forms. this was the best production the weekend canvass has received, the high water mark if you will. it's funny amiri that you should send your post to matthew and keith who will no doubt agree with you, with that bobble head action they perfected in your basement, but where are they? and where is U&S july issue? how many people has their "ideology" registered or signed up for ras? AT THE VERY LEAST MY IDEOLOGY BRINGS ME TO THE STREETS OF NEWARK EVERY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY WITH AS MANY PEOPLES I CAN FIT IN MY CAR JERK amiri said: But under no circumstances do we need people who cannot follow directions and seem to loathe the discipline of collective operation. liar, we bring more people from new brunswick to the "collective operation" of signing people up for ras and registering voters. on this past sunday NO ONE FROM NEWARK EVEN WENT OUT WITH US (8 or 9 people from new brunswick). i would suggest that you need all the help you can get. if people need to find me they can call, trevor and i both have cell phones. i not going to let one person on the street walk past me because i'm following directions. i'd rather walk with that person, register them to vote and then fight with you about it on wednesday then to let people walk by me while ras comes in fifth. you want me off the "campaign" then do it. i'll still out produce anyone every weekend that i can be there. and then where will your position on me be cause you're already in left field. do you suggest that we shouldn't talk to people about why they don't have the right to vote and explain to them that we need to build an organization to support their right to vote and then sign them up? we now have 2 people signed up, name address and phone #, that are willing to fight for the right to vote, how many did we have before? fuck you with your anarchist charge. your edit board is organized with republicans and your boy keith just received over 1900 votes as a registered republican for new brunswick city council. even further, i would be willing to organize with anarchists if they would register voters in newark on saturday and sunday. joe smith >From: Amirib@... >To: vivaohio@..., jmodibo@... >CC: can_bush@..., keithjoseph99@... >Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:00:23 EDT > >All As a direct response to one example of a kind of pb liberalism, it has >come to my attention that on the weekend voter registration canvassing >there >has been incidents of undisciplined anarchist behaviour which jeopardizes >the >whole project. >While Ras campaign needs all who are willing to help with the canvassing, >side trips,. unauthorized often unlawful activities, such as trying to >"register" underaged persons, leaving the assigned route, causing other >volunteens to be pulled away from their work to "monitor" persons who >cannot >or will not folllow directions cannot be repeated. > Canvassers should come to 808 Before going out, to received >instructions, route, equipment from Trevor or those assigned. After the >canvass they should return. But under no circumstances do we need people >who >cannot follow directions and seem to loathe the discipline of collective >operation. > > The Anarchist and to some extent chauvinist (I know better than you >all because I am who I am) antics must be discarded. We are trying to >organize the people and win an election.It is serious and our methods are >shaped by planning. > >The spontaneous , undisciplined, will not take orders , subjectivism is >reactionary. Method expresses ideology. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
louise keith and matt are all on the U&S edit board as well as organized in the peoples' campaign with republicans. what does your opinion of my credibility have to so with it keith? i will perform a check of when keith resigned from the republican party, this is the first i have heard that it was before the election. keith said: The mistake in my opinion was that we allowed that activity to compromise our political line. that is this alliance with the local republicans against the local incumbent democrats was used as a reason not to push our political line Beat Bush etc. because it would upset our republican allies that is how U&S's position on the election "Beat Bush!" was sabotaged. keith said: Yr statement about republicans in U&S is not only an outright lie. i never said republicans are in U&S, so where's the lie? keith said: Firstly, I was the only one of the people you mentioned who did any work to get Frank Bright elected Chair of the local organization. matt and louise if not doing actual activities where definitely involved in the plan and never raised any open opposition, so as far as i'm concerned they were down. that's like saying matt and louise had nothing to do with us being expelled because the expulsion happened at a steering committee meeting that they were not at, though all their method and ideology support my expulsion just as it supported joing the republicans. i say the peoples' campaign should embrace U&S, funny i'm the one suggesting that while you are in the peoples' campaign and on the U&S edit board. joe >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >To: can_bush@..., jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., >AmiriB@... >Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:23:49 +0000 > >Joe, >you wrote: "the U&S edit board is organized with republicans!" > >when you say things like that you lose what little credibility you have >left. We have already gone through this. Members of the People's Campaign >myself included joined the local republican organization last year to get >Frank Bright elected chair of the organization. We did this in order to get >an office and paid poll workers for election day. The mistake in my opinion >was that we allowed that activity to compromise our political line. that is >this alliance with the local republicans against the local incumbent >democrats was used as a reason not to push our political line Beat Bush >etc. because it would upset our republican allies. Additionally we made an >alliance with the Greens against the local democrats. The opportunism was >to sacrifice the long term, national and even international interests of >the working class to short term local interests. This was a serious mistake >and one that not only should be criticized but has been criticized. >Rectifying the errors will be a somewhat long process because on the right >we have people who refuse to acknowledge errors and on the ultra-left we >have self serving and outlandish accusations as replacement of any serious >analysis and cinstructive critique. >Yr statement about republicans in U&S is not only an outright lie. It is >some sort of self serving bourgeois scandal seeking but I have yet to >understand its purpose. > >Joe goes on: >"keith joseph, louise and matthew smith, at least, all worked as >>agents for the republican party during the past election. keith ran as a >>registered republican for new brunswick city council and received over >>1900 votes - the incumbents won with 5300 so that's a large share of the >>vote." > >This is also a lie. Firstly, I was the only one of the people you mentioned >who did any work to get Frank Bright elected Chair of the local >organization. I resigned from the republican organization after Frank >Bright became chair of the organization and I didn't run as a "registered >republican", I ran as a candidate of the People's Campaign. Why lie? > >As far as the People's Campaign goes the republicans are being expelled >from the people's campaign. The odds of getting you and yr brother >re-instated are slim at present. Somehow you haven't made yrselves very >popular with the current membership. > One reason might be that you dogmatically push an ultra-left line. And >when people don't go for it you or yr brother announce that they are "under >suspicion". This is the same line that puts forward "the People's Campaign >should embrace U&S". The entire People's Campaign as an organization >doesn't need to "embrace U&S." For one thing the People's Campaign is an >attempt (one that has made many mistakes) to build a mass organization >around people's democracy. U&S is a M-L newspaper. Your line to mash >Marxism-Leninism on a mass based organization is ultra-left and would be a >repeat as farce of recent history. > The thing to do with U&S and the people's campaign is try to expand >the influence of its political line, get people to voluntarily participate >in its work. Hand it out at meetings, try to get people to help out and >contribute to it, to use it to build a local circle of revolutionaries >towards the goal of uniting with other such circles and building a national >organziation of revolutionaries as part of the motion towards a people's >democarcy > >Joe wrote: >"amiri, you also must hold U&S edit board responsible for sabotaging >>U&S" > >I don't know what that means. The edit board is responsible for getting U&S >out and is also responsible for its not getting out. You keep saying >"sabotage" like its pee wee herman's word of the day. but whats yr point? >We are starting at ground zero in a time when revolutionaries have been >scattered in a disorganized retreat. And you're running around like a >maniac who will single handedly bring forth the revolution as a result of >his own frenzied activity and raving accusations at anyone not interested >participating in yr furor. This is a protracted struggle, your treating a >marathon like a 40 yard dash. > There are plenty of things to criticize about U&S but yours are not >constructive. U&S has just begun to appear regularly for the first time in >a long time, we finally got to a point approaching regularity, the content >and political line have been improving and we are getting close to a >newspaper that we can get in stores and newsstands, that is that can be >distributed widely and regularly and at some level of professionalism. The >point is that we are moving forward maybe too slowly for you, but for those >of us who have already tried the frenzied approach and have seen it lead to >nothing, we are very optimistic about our current effort. >So what's being "sabotaged"? > >You were invited to two edit board meetings. It was like being awake in a >nightmare. Despite what you think those meetings delayed the >re-organization of the paper rather than advance it. > >We are trying to find ways to unite, but I don't see how unity is possible >when all you can do is lie and make wild and unfounded accusations. And >then do yr martyr routine. > >Keith > >ps. I included a piece below that I submitted to the People's Campign, >Where I try to sum up some of the mistakes that I mentioned above and >propose a re-orienatation for the campaign. > >>What to do? > > Since the February 2001 meeting the People's Campaign has become >increasing disoriented and isolated from any base whatsoever. The meetings >following February have been characterized by petty intrigues, petty >debates about organizational structure, expulsions, and a general crisis of >identity. I think this state is recognized by most but few are clear enough >or willing enough to admit it. This state of affairs has come about because >of a bad strategy that was initiated at the founding meeting of the >campaign in January of 2000. The strategy that was put into motion at said >meeting was a united front against local the democratic party. This >strategy saw the local democratic party as the main target and then sought >allies on that basis leading us to ally ourselves with republicans among >others. Our out look was short sighted, narrow and parochial. > Instead of strategizing to build a movement over the long term we >thought only in terms of the upcoming election. This is a recipe for >failure and has put us in the position we are in today. It has confused the >organization and those associated with it to the point of paralysis. The >last meetings resolution to have two main objectives for the campaign >(democracy ordinance and mayor's election 2000) is just more wandering in >the wilderness. > What we need is a ground up re-organization that begins with a sum up >of our success and failures in our last attempt. This must include a >critique of the faulty strategy that I already mentioned and include a new >orientation. The new orientation should begin with a strategy that states >clearly that the Republican Party is the main danger facing working people, >students, and the democratic middle classes. (This should be increasingly >obvious as Bush 2 begins to set back the peace and anti-war movement 30 >years by unilaterally withdrawing from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, >provoking Russia and China into a renewal of the arms race.) Being that >they are the main danger they should be opposed independently where >possible and in coalition with the democratic party when necessary. >Likewise the democratic party are no friend of working people and it is our >intention to build an independent movement. We will oppose the democratic >party where possible (like in New Brunswick) and unite with them when there >is a greater danger like in the upcoming gubernatorial election. This >should be our stated strategy. > We must unequivocally cease the bourgeois politician's practice of >being all things to all people. If we alienate some people we will inspire >many more. We are supposed to be political leaders, which means we have to >be in front not tailing behind the most backward sections of the population >trying to offend no one. >The essence of our principles of unity should be struggle for People's >Democracy. Defined as majority rule. We want participatory democracy not >manufactured consent. >We must be uncompromising when it comes to principles. > Also a final note as to fund raising since the only nominee for the >open steering committee seat believes that this is the most important >issue. Money will come after we do some good political work. No one is >going to give us money to do good political work. Instead of worrying about >fundraising we should worry about build an organization and a movement with >a clear strategy and set of principles. The setting of fundraising as an >ends in itself is a continuation of the "office community center democracy >clubhouse" line that was defeated both in theory and in practice. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
i think that to claim to be progressive/revolutionary and work to elect bush2 is something that needs to be dealt with. tell you what keith, you get in my way when i criticize phony revolutionaries/progressives dave and the greens and we'll see who's side that puts you on. that said where is the U&S newspaper and if it is not being sabotaged why can't i have any? normal human behavior? coming from mister i've lost my revolutionary positions in favor of republican alliances. joe smith >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, poprogress@yahoogroups.com, >traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., amirib@..., >lknesta@..., MeadHajduk@... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 10:51:03 -0500 > >I think that saying things like " these >people should not be welcome to walk down the street if they don't work on >ras' campaign." is at best extremely stupid and careless and at worst >bizarre >and out of touch with the reality that we live in and normal human >behavoir. > >Keith > >joseph smith wrote: > > > you should just argue the question of where are these > > progressives/revolutionaries at while ras baraka is running for Newark >City > > Council? dave is in Newark as well is fortuncookie in Newark and these > > people should not be welcome to walk down the street if they don't work >on > > ras' campaign. > > > > that said, where is the paper? how can i get one? > > > > joe > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, > > >traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., amirib@..., > > >lknesta@..., lknesta@..., MeadHajduk@... > > >Subject: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:29 > > > > > > > > >To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some > > >regret > > >as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this > > >organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. > > > > > >That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all > > >endeavor > > >that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against >U&S, > > >to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last >three > > >years." > > > > > >Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as > > >such > > >charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as > > >effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group > > >list > > >was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his >charges > > >could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a >public > > >defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. >This is > > >the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of >POP > > >have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be >known. > > >(As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we >should > > >no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the >past, > > >such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds >know > > >just who you are...) > > > > > > > > >AS FOLLOWS: > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Subject: requested information > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 > > > > > >Matthew: > > > > > >1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and >centrism' > > >dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: > > > > > >If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, > > >and there's no one to see it... > > >Is 'Lefty' dead? > > >Dead as a doornail, you better believe! > > > > > >I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led > > >Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. > > > > > >2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a >Zip > > >drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught >voice > > >he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he >would > > >see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His > > >voice > > >was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. > > > > > >3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He >did > > >this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for > > >abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something > > >further. > > > > > >David > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it >more > > >confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least > > >interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: > > > > > >1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to >extract > > >this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose >polemics > > >that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe >that > > >it > > >was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks > > >ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To > > >answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may >be > > >related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla > > >organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries >were > > >taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder >where > > >his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years >hard > > >time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought >us > > >Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) > > > > > >2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset >that > > >we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, >and > > >forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the >violent > > >threat here. > > > > > >3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. > > >"McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an > > >organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU >4-5years > > >ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, >btw! > > >(anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with >DH's > > >practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of >argument, > > >where's the violent threat? > > > > > > > > >It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up >with > > >this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would >rather > > >my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. >However, > > >it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to >manuever > > >in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of >playing > > >the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH > > >line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the > > >contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones >internally. > > > > > >In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
irrelevant to what? joe >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] curious about something.... >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:59 -0000 > >Do the members of this egroup have something relevant to New >Brunswick and more particularly to the NBPC to write about? Or is it >just going to be charges and countercharges about U&S, Newark >politics and the rest? > >Given the irrelevant drivel I have been reading here, I am beginning >to think that the Membership did not go far enough when it ordered >the creation of nbpcmembers without ordering the shutdown of this >board. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
when y'all were in cu pushing "boycott!", you "pointed out" that we
were "right wing" "liquidators" &tc., while y'all were "left"
("concealing a right essence" how ab sd.)
w/ masks off, pushing "unite w/republicans!", you "point us out" as
"ultra-left".
i wonder you dont dizzy from the spinning?
the constant is you divide from/attack working class activists in the
name of "communism".
cs
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> We have pointed out SWORD/BOL's line as an ultra-left inversion of
the
> rightism that liquidated the Revolutionary Democratic character of
the
> NBPeoples' Campaign--here's the best proof to date (sadly ironic
that while
> we argue for them to participate in UF/PC, they propose expelling
the only
> members of NJFO that stuck with U&S!) -Matt
>
>
>
> From :
> "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>
> To :
> jmodibo@j..., vivaohio@h..., keithjoseph99@h...,
> AmiriB@A...
>
> Subject :
> Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
>
> Date :
> Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:43:43 -0400
>
> the U&S edit board is organized with republicans!
>
> i propose that the republicans be expelled from the new brunswick
peoples'
> campaign
>
> keith joseph, louise and matthew smith, at least, all worked as
agents for
> the republican party during the past election. keith ran as a
registered
> republican for new brunswick city council and received over 1900
votes - the
> incumbents won with 5300 so that's a large share of the vote.
>
> you should be directing these questions towards keith matt and
louise and
> amiri for proper explanation because i am not satisfied with the
explanation
> i received.
>
> i will be more than willing to inform you about the campaign more
and answer
> any questions you want to shoot my way.
>
> is there any way you can get me originals of the july U&S so i can
> distribute them?
>
> joe
>
>
> From: Baker J Baker <jmodibo@j...>
> To: can_bush@h..., AmiriB@A...
> CC: AmiriB@A...
> Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:15:17 -0400
>
> I take serious a charge of sabotage, obviously the the Joe show I'm
> watching right now is a sitcom on petty bourgeoise chauvinism. The
people
> you advocate expelling are they traitors, reactionaries,
> anti-Communists????
>
> M.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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i also told face to not claim to represent the working class. cliff smith akarip joseph mcdonough --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some regret > as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this > organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. > > That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all endeavor > that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against U&S, > to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last three > years." > > Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as such > charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as > effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group list > was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his charges > could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a public > defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. This is > the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of POP > have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be known. > (As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we should > no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the past, > such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds know > just who you are...) > > > AS FOLLOWS: > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@i...> > To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > Subject: requested information > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 > > Matthew: > > 1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and centrism' > dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: > > If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, > and there's no one to see it... > Is 'Lefty' dead? > Dead as a doornail, you better believe! > > I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led > Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. > > 2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a Zip > drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught voice > he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he would > see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His voice > was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. > > 3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He did > this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for > abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something > further. > > David > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it more > confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least > interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: > > 1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to extract > this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose polemics > that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe that it > was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks > ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To > answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may be > related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla > organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries were > taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder where > his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years hard > time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought us > Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) > > 2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset that > we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, and > forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the violent > threat here. > > 3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. > "McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an > organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years > ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! > (anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with DH's > practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of argument, > where's the violent threat? > > > It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up with > this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would rather > my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. However, > it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to manuever > in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of playing > the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH > line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the > contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones internally. > > In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
the threat at kimakos was put to joe, not from him. are people organizing schundler's victory welcome on yr st. at Reality U, tracy? cs --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tracey Luszcz" <traceyx@h...> wrote: > > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y..., poprogress@y..., > >traceyx@h..., mcsmith74@y..., amirib@a..., > >lknesta@i..., lknesta@h..., MeadHajduk@a... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:03:17 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> >Received: from 24.190.56.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, > >26 Jul 2001 16:03:17 GMT > > > > > >you should just argue the question of where are these > >progressives/revolutionaries at while ras baraka is running for Newark City > >Council? dave is in Newark as well is fortuncookie in Newark and these > >people should not be welcome to walk down the street if they don't work on > >ras' campaign. > > > >that said, where is the paper? how can i get one? > > > >joe > > > > > >>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >>To: poprogress@y..., nbpeoplescampaign@y..., > >>traceyx@h..., mcsmith74@y..., amirib@a..., > >>lknesta@i..., lknesta@h..., MeadHajduk@a... > >>Subject: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations > >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:29 > >> > >> > >>To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some > >>regret > >>as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this > >>organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. > >> > >>That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all > >>endeavor > >>that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against U&S, > >>to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last three > >>years." > >> > >>Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as > >>such > >>charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as > >>effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group > >>list > >>was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his charges > >>could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a public > >>defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. This > >>is > >>the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of POP > >>have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be > >>known. > >>(As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we should > >>no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the past, > >>such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds know > >>just who you are...) > >> > >> > >>AS FOLLOWS: > >> > >>----Original Message Follows---- > >>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@i...> > >>To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >>Subject: requested information > >>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 > >> > >>Matthew: > >> > >>1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and > >>centrism' > >>dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: > >> > >>If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, > >>and there's no one to see it... > >>Is 'Lefty' dead? > >>Dead as a doornail, you better believe! > >> > >>I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led > >>Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. > >> > >>2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a Zip > >>drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught voice > >>he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he would > >>see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His > >>voice > >>was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. > >> > >>3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He did > >>this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for > >>abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something > >>further. > >> > >>David > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > >>Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it more > >>confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least > >>interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: > >> > >>1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to extract > >>this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose > >>polemics > >>that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe that > >>it > >>was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks > >>ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To > >>answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may be > >>related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla > >>organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries were > >>taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder where > >>his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years > >>hard > >>time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought us > >>Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) > >> > >>2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset that > >>we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, and > >>forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the violent > >>threat here. > >> > >>3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. > >>"McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an > >>organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years > >>ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! > >>(anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with > >>DH's > >>practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of > >>argument, > >>where's the violent threat? > >> > >> > >>It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up with > >>this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would rather > >>my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. However, > >>it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to manuever > >>in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of playing > >>the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH > >>line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the > >>contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones internally. > >> > >>In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > > > For the record, I have no affiliation with this type of organizing, I have > nothing but the utmost respect for Joe Fortunato and the work I have seen > him do in POP, an organization that is comprised of some of the most > dedicated individuals I have ever met. SUffice to say, attending graduate > school makes it very difficult for me to participate on this level, but let > me just say that, to Block on Lock, just becuase you put up some fliers, you > do not have the privilege of obstructing constructive debate, of obstructing > people's positive efforts, etc. Who do you speak for when you say people > don't have the right to walk down the street if they don't participate in > someone's campaign? IS this your application of Revolutionaries Unite? Do > you think this will encourage people to join Ras' campaign? Do you think > people working on the campaign would appreciate you rallying the masses in > this way? It is sad to see you, like this, so far removed from reality and > reducing the struggle to petty nonsense and posturing. THis type of debate > does not inspire people to think, critically about how to improve strategy, > it shuts people off and turns them away. IT is the same as when you > threatened other revolutionaries at Kimoko's Blues People becuase you didn't > appreciate the way the debate was going. You really need to assess your > position in the movement, what are you trying to accomplish? What > institution building is going on as a result of your diatribes? > Tracey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
matt wrote: "Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. "McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! (anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with DH's practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...?" --which "expulsion" in now maintained insistently by our comrades remaining on U&S, under a different cover. no "frustration" here, dun. cs --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tracey Luszcz" <traceyx@h...> wrote: > > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y..., poprogress@y..., > >traceyx@h..., mcsmith74@y..., amirib@a..., > >lknesta@i..., lknesta@h..., MeadHajduk@a... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:03:17 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >> >Received: from 24.190.56.33 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Thu, > >26 Jul 2001 16:03:17 GMT > > > > > >you should just argue the question of where are these > >progressives/revolutionaries at while ras baraka is running for Newark City > >Council? dave is in Newark as well is fortuncookie in Newark and these > >people should not be welcome to walk down the street if they don't work on > >ras' campaign. > > > >that said, where is the paper? how can i get one? > > > >joe > > > > > >>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >>To: poprogress@y..., nbpeoplescampaign@y..., > >>traceyx@h..., mcsmith74@y..., amirib@a..., > >>lknesta@i..., lknesta@h..., MeadHajduk@a... > >>Subject: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations > >>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:29 > >> > >> > >>To POP- We are forced to confront some unfinished business, with some > >>regret > >>as I would much rather show my support for the great work that this > >>organization has been doing in the community in a more positive way. > >> > >>That said, it is in the spirit of truth and justice to which we all > >>endeavor > >>that we must revisit the charges that Dave Hungerford leveled against U&S, > >>to wit: "threatening violence against him repeatedly over the last three > >>years." > >> > >>Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he produce his evidence, as > >>such > >>charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as manure for CoIntelPro as > >>effectively as if they were true. Responding that POP's public e-group > >>list > >>was not the place to air such "evidence" (although, curiously, his charges > >>could be made publically) Dave would undermine any possibility of a public > >>defense, choosing instead to send the "evidence" to me personally. This > >>is > >>the sort of undemocratic and underhanded behavior that many outside of POP > >>have come to expect from DH, so for the record let his "evidence" be > >>known. > >>(As DH has already sent these allegations over the digital wire, we should > >>no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' issues--as we have said in the past, > >>such transparent veils only hide one from the people, while the feds know > >>just who you are...) > >> > >> > >>AS FOLLOWS: > >> > >>----Original Message Follows---- > >>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@i...> > >>To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >>Subject: requested information > >>Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 > >> > >>Matthew: > >> > >>1. In a paper titled "Once more against 'left-wing' communism and > >>centrism' > >>dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: > >> > >>If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, > >>and there's no one to see it... > >>Is 'Lefty' dead? > >>Dead as a doornail, you better believe! > >> > >>I have always taken this seriously. The question of what influence led > >>Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good one. > >> > >>2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me twice in dispute over a Zip > >>drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to him. In a distraught voice > >>he threatened to come to my house for it. In another call he said he would > >>see me at the upcoming Five Cities March against police brutality. His > >>voice > >>was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not show. > >> > >>3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice called me a "coward." He did > >>this after being removed from a listserv on other people's demand for > >>abusing it - yet it was me with whom he attempted to incite something > >>further. > >> > >>David > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > >>Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost sheep of course makes it more > >>confusing, but anyone could figure it out if they were in the least > >>interested. In defense of these absurd allegations: > >> > >>1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for over a year, and to extract > >>this quote out of the context of the typically lengthy and verbose > >>polemics > >>that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and then to make believe that > >>it > >>was a "death threat" against Dave's person, is just out to lunch (folks > >>ought to be asking why DH is privy to such documents, for starters) To > >>answer DH's question as to "why" this metaphore: I would suggest it may be > >>related to the preoccupation with ultra-left terrorist guerilla > >>organizations such as Peru's Shining Path that young revolutionaries were > >>taught to emulate by our once fearless leader turned green. (Wonder where > >>his "boycott election" line originates--Peru was sentenced to 10 years > >>hard > >>time under dictator Fujimori as a result of the same line that brought us > >>Giulliani, Bush, & next, Schundler?) > >> > >>2. Dave admits that he stole our organizations equipment and is upset that > >>we wanted it back?! (That's not all, he also stole U&S' domain name, and > >>forged his own website at that address.) -Still, I don't see the violent > >>threat here. > >> > >>3. Why he associates this final charge with U&S is anyone's guess. > >>"McDonough" was never on U&S edit board, and hasn't been a member of an > >>organization on U&S edit board since DH led his expulsion from CU 4-5years > >>ago--FOR INSISTING THAT THERE ARE CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN DEMS & REPS, btw! > >>(anyhow, can "McDonough" be blamed for expressing his frustration with > >>DH's > >>practice of "jab & duck, jab & duck"...but again, for the sake of > >>argument, > >>where's the violent threat? > >> > >> > >>It has been made clear to me by some POP members that they are fed up with > >>this debate between two "camps". To them, I reiterate that I would rather > >>my contribution to POP come in more positive form in the future. However, > >>it is unacceptible that someone be able to use an organization to manuever > >>in this underhanded manner, only to seek cover behind pretences of playing > >>the victim. As I said before, I've seen too many people get hurt by DH > >>line, and the truth will come out, and if we are to help resolve the > >>contradictions in society, we must be willing to face the ones internally. > >> > >>In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew Smith > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > > > For the record, I have no affiliation with this type of organizing, I have > nothing but the utmost respect for Joe Fortunato and the work I have seen > him do in POP, an organization that is comprised of some of the most > dedicated individuals I have ever met. SUffice to say, attending graduate > school makes it very difficult for me to participate on this level, but let > me just say that, to Block on Lock, just becuase you put up some fliers, you > do not have the privilege of obstructing constructive debate, of obstructing > people's positive efforts, etc. Who do you speak for when you say people > don't have the right to walk down the street if they don't participate in > someone's campaign? IS this your application of Revolutionaries Unite? Do > you think this will encourage people to join Ras' campaign? Do you think > people working on the campaign would appreciate you rallying the masses in > this way? It is sad to see you, like this, so far removed from reality and > reducing the struggle to petty nonsense and posturing. THis type of debate > does not inspire people to think, critically about how to improve strategy, > it shuts people off and turns them away. IT is the same as when you > threatened other revolutionaries at Kimoko's Blues People becuase you didn't > appreciate the way the debate was going. You really need to assess your > position in the movement, what are you trying to accomplish? What > institution building is going on as a result of your diatribes? > Tracey > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe: Irrelevant to New Brunswick and irrelevant to the New Brunswick People's Campaign. Just to refer to the drivel from the past two days, the following are irrelevant: 1. U&S is not a campaign newspaper (thank God!). Nor is your fight with how quickly it does or does not go into production, Campaign business. 2. "Temporary Art Installation" in a park in Newark is not relevant to New Brunswick. 3. "Unfinished business" by and between campaign nonmembers, the People's Organization for Progress, and Mr. Hungerford is not relevant. 4. Brian Coury and Joseph McDonough are not, to my knowledge, Campaign members; business between you and them is irrelevant. 5. Squabbles between Mr. Fortunato, Mr. Baraka, and you about Newark are not relevant. In case you missed it, the Campaign's membership, at the 6/30 meeting, ordered that the Campaign's goals are: (1) winning the Pro- Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and (2) winning the New BRUNSWICK mayor and council seats in 2002. Not spewing invective or dissecting ideology, but winning an electoral campaign. If you'd like to address that, go ahead. If not, GET THE F*** OFF MY EGROUP and keep your lunacy off it! --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > irrelevant to what? > > joe > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] curious about something.... > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:59 -0000 > > > >Do the members of this egroup have something relevant to New > >Brunswick and more particularly to the NBPC to write about? Or is it > >just going to be charges and countercharges about U&S, Newark > >politics and the rest? > > > >Given the irrelevant drivel I have been reading here, I am beginning > >to think that the Membership did not go far enough when it ordered > >the creation of nbpcmembers without ordering the shutdown of this > >board. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
keith never sd he has yet withdrawn his republican party affiliation. he sd "I resigned from the republican organization after Frank Bright became chair of the organization and I didn't run as a "registered republican", I ran as a candidate of the People's Campaign." this must mean keith quit as active voting member of local internal party organization (i.e., elect the chair,...), yet was registered republican at the election, regardless his "candidate slogan": "candidate of peoples' campaign". so point remains of trenton republican organization observed sudden thrust of votes for registered republicans, for which the local chair was advanced&strengthened at the expense of the people. & that u&s has a curious relationship to such anti-democratic schemes. cs --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > louise keith and matt are all on the U&S edit board as well as organized in > the peoples' campaign with republicans. what does your opinion of my > credibility have to so with it keith? > > i will perform a check of when keith resigned from the republican party, > this is the first i have heard that it was before the election. > > keith said: > The mistake in my opinion was that we allowed that activity to compromise > our political line. that is this alliance with the local republicans against > the local incumbent democrats was used as a reason not to push our political > line Beat Bush etc. because it would upset our republican allies > > that is how U&S's position on the election "Beat Bush!" was sabotaged. > > keith said: > Yr statement about republicans in U&S is not only an outright lie. > > i never said republicans are in U&S, so where's the lie? > > keith said: > Firstly, I was the only one of the people you mentioned who did any work to > get Frank Bright elected Chair of the local organization. > > matt and louise if not doing actual activities where definitely involved in > the plan and never raised any open opposition, so as far as i'm concerned > they were down. that's like saying matt and louise had nothing to do with us > being expelled because the expulsion happened at a steering committee > meeting that they were not at, though all their method and ideology support > my expulsion just as it supported joing the republicans. > > i say the peoples' campaign should embrace U&S, funny i'm the one suggesting > that while you are in the peoples' campaign and on the U&S edit board. > > > joe > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > >To: can_bush@h..., jmodibo@j..., vivaohio@h..., > >AmiriB@A... > >Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:23:49 +0000 > > > >Joe, > >you wrote: "the U&S edit board is organized with republicans!" > > > >when you say things like that you lose what little credibility you have > >left. We have already gone through this. Members of the People's Campaign > >myself included joined the local republican organization last year to get > >Frank Bright elected chair of the organization. We did this in order to get > >an office and paid poll workers for election day. The mistake in my opinion > >was that we allowed that activity to compromise our political line. that is > >this alliance with the local republicans against the local incumbent > >democrats was used as a reason not to push our political line Beat Bush > >etc. because it would upset our republican allies. Additionally we made an > >alliance with the Greens against the local democrats. The opportunism was > >to sacrifice the long term, national and even international interests of > >the working class to short term local interests. This was a serious mistake > >and one that not only should be criticized but has been criticized. > >Rectifying the errors will be a somewhat long process because on the right > >we have people who refuse to acknowledge errors and on the ultra-left we > >have self serving and outlandish accusations as replacement of any serious > >analysis and cinstructive critique. > >Yr statement about republicans in U&S is not only an outright lie. It is > >some sort of self serving bourgeois scandal seeking but I have yet to > >understand its purpose. > > > >Joe goes on: > >"keith joseph, louise and matthew smith, at least, all worked as > >>agents for the republican party during the past election. keith ran as a > >>registered republican for new brunswick city council and received over > >>1900 votes - the incumbents won with 5300 so that's a large share of the > >>vote." > > > >This is also a lie. Firstly, I was the only one of the people you mentioned > >who did any work to get Frank Bright elected Chair of the local > >organization. I resigned from the republican organization after Frank > >Bright became chair of the organization and I didn't run as a "registered > >republican", I ran as a candidate of the People's Campaign. Why lie? > > > >As far as the People's Campaign goes the republicans are being expelled > >from the people's campaign. The odds of getting you and yr brother > >re-instated are slim at present. Somehow you haven't made yrselves very > >popular with the current membership. > > One reason might be that you dogmatically push an ultra-left line. And > >when people don't go for it you or yr brother announce that they are "under > >suspicion". This is the same line that puts forward "the People's Campaign > >should embrace U&S". The entire People's Campaign as an organization > >doesn't need to "embrace U&S." For one thing the People's Campaign is an > >attempt (one that has made many mistakes) to build a mass organization > >around people's democracy. U&S is a M-L newspaper. Your line to mash > >Marxism-Leninism on a mass based organization is ultra-left and would be a > >repeat as farce of recent history. > > The thing to do with U&S and the people's campaign is try to expand > >the influence of its political line, get people to voluntarily participate > >in its work. Hand it out at meetings, try to get people to help out and > >contribute to it, to use it to build a local circle of revolutionaries > >towards the goal of uniting with other such circles and building a national > >organziation of revolutionaries as part of the motion towards a people's > >democarcy > > > >Joe wrote: > >"amiri, you also must hold U&S edit board responsible for sabotaging > >>U&S" > > > >I don't know what that means. The edit board is responsible for getting U&S > >out and is also responsible for its not getting out. You keep saying > >"sabotage" like its pee wee herman's word of the day. but whats yr point? > >We are starting at ground zero in a time when revolutionaries have been > >scattered in a disorganized retreat. And you're running around like a > >maniac who will single handedly bring forth the revolution as a result of > >his own frenzied activity and raving accusations at anyone not interested > >participating in yr furor. This is a protracted struggle, your treating a > >marathon like a 40 yard dash. > > There are plenty of things to criticize about U&S but yours are not > >constructive. U&S has just begun to appear regularly for the first time in > >a long time, we finally got to a point approaching regularity, the content > >and political line have been improving and we are getting close to a > >newspaper that we can get in stores and newsstands, that is that can be > >distributed widely and regularly and at some level of professionalism. The > >point is that we are moving forward maybe too slowly for you, but for those > >of us who have already tried the frenzied approach and have seen it lead to > >nothing, we are very optimistic about our current effort. > >So what's being "sabotaged"? > > > >You were invited to two edit board meetings. It was like being awake in a > >nightmare. Despite what you think those meetings delayed the > >re-organization of the paper rather than advance it. > > > >We are trying to find ways to unite, but I don't see how unity is possible > >when all you can do is lie and make wild and unfounded accusations. And > >then do yr martyr routine. > > > >Keith > > > >ps. I included a piece below that I submitted to the People's Campign, > >Where I try to sum up some of the mistakes that I mentioned above and > >propose a re-orienatation for the campaign. > > > >>What to do? > > > > Since the February 2001 meeting the People's Campaign has become > >increasing disoriented and isolated from any base whatsoever. The meetings > >following February have been characterized by petty intrigues, petty > >debates about organizational structure, expulsions, and a general crisis of > >identity. I think this state is recognized by most but few are clear enough > >or willing enough to admit it. This state of affairs has come about because > >of a bad strategy that was initiated at the founding meeting of the > >campaign in January of 2000. The strategy that was put into motion at said > >meeting was a united front against local the democratic party. This > >strategy saw the local democratic party as the main target and then sought > >allies on that basis leading us to ally ourselves with republicans among > >others. Our out look was short sighted, narrow and parochial. > > Instead of strategizing to build a movement over the long term we > >thought only in terms of the upcoming election. This is a recipe for > >failure and has put us in the position we are in today. It has confused the > >organization and those associated with it to the point of paralysis. The > >last meetings resolution to have two main objectives for the campaign > >(democracy ordinance and mayor's election 2000) is just more wandering in > >the wilderness. > > What we need is a ground up re-organization that begins with a sum up > >of our success and failures in our last attempt. This must include a > >critique of the faulty strategy that I already mentioned and include a new > >orientation. The new orientation should begin with a strategy that states > >clearly that the Republican Party is the main danger facing working people, > >students, and the democratic middle classes. (This should be increasingly > >obvious as Bush 2 begins to set back the peace and anti-war movement 30 > >years by unilaterally withdrawing from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, > >provoking Russia and China into a renewal of the arms race.) Being that > >they are the main danger they should be opposed independently where > >possible and in coalition with the democratic party when necessary. > >Likewise the democratic party are no friend of working people and it is our > >intention to build an independent movement. We will oppose the democratic > >party where possible (like in New Brunswick) and unite with them when there > >is a greater danger like in the upcoming gubernatorial election. This > >should be our stated strategy. > > We must unequivocally cease the bourgeois politician's practice of > >being all things to all people. If we alienate some people we will inspire > >many more. We are supposed to be political leaders, which means we have to > >be in front not tailing behind the most backward sections of the population > >trying to offend no one. > >The essence of our principles of unity should be struggle for People's > >Democracy. Defined as majority rule. We want participatory democracy not > >manufactured consent. > >We must be uncompromising when it comes to principles. > > Also a final note as to fund raising since the only nominee for the > >open steering committee seat believes that this is the most important > >issue. Money will come after we do some good political work. No one is > >going to give us money to do good political work. Instead of worrying about > >fundraising we should worry about build an organization and a movement with > >a clear strategy and set of principles. The setting of fundraising as an > >ends in itself is a continuation of the "office community center democracy > >clubhouse" line that was defeated both in theory and in practice. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Fidel Castro heads march of
1.2 million to celebrate start
of Cuba revolution
By ANITA SNOW
The Associated Press
7/26/01 2:56 PM
HAVANA (AP) -- Fidel Castro led more than a million of his
compatriots on a march Thursday to celebrate the start of
the Cuban revolution, trekking about 1� miles in a display
of vigor after his fainting spell last month.
Wearing his olive green uniform and a less typical pair of
white sneakers, the Cuban president, who turns 75 next
month, vigorously waved a small Cuban flag as he stepped
off down Havana's coastal Malecon highway.
Castro marched for about 20 minutes, completing not quite
half of the 3�-mile parade route. State television estimated
the number of participants at 1.2 million.
He did not address the crowd.
While Castro led a similar July 26 march in Havana last
year, Cubans had wondered aloud if "El Comandante"
would do so this year, following his brief fainting spell
last
month during a speech under broiling sun. It was the first
incident of its kind during Castro's 42-year rule.
But after a few days of rest, Castro resumed his busy
schedule. Castro and fellow communist leaders insist he is
in good health.
Marchers protested the long-standing U.S. embargo and
other American policies toward Cuba, and demanded the
release of five of Cuban agents convicted earlier this year
in
Miami on espionage charges.
Cuba contends the five men were merely gathering
information about anti-Castro groups in Miami to defend
their country against violent attacks.
"Free the patriotic heroes!" yelled the marchers, many of
whom wore white T-shirts emblazoned with the five Cuban
men, who are jailed in Miami awaiting sentencing.
Havana's demands for the men's release is the latest in a
series of political campaigns following its successful fight
for the repatriation last summer of Cuban boy Elian
Gonzalez, now 7 years old. The boy's Miami relatives,
backed by anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami, had fought
to keep the boy in the United States.
July 26, known in Cuba as National Rebellion Day,
commemorates the armed attack Castro led in the wee
hours of July 26, 1953, on the Moncada army barracks in
the eastern city of Santiago.
Sixty-one of 160 attackers were killed and many of the
rest, including Castro and his younger brother Raul, were
jailed.
But the movement later regained strength and triumphed
on New Year's Day 1959 after then-President Fulgencio
Batista fled the country.
Lending an international air to Thursday's march was
Hassan Khomeini, grandson of the father of Iran's 1979
Islamic revolution -- the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
Invited to visit Cuba by Castro, the 29-year-old walked on
Castro's left, dressed in his traditional Islamic robes and
head covering.
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narrow brain with loud mouth if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or less to win new brunswick in november? U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve the peoples' campaign tremendously. old relations and active organizations are something to be learned from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such only shows your own support for schundler. in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your arguements against this happening? joe >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:23:37 -0000 > >Joe: > >Irrelevant to New Brunswick and irrelevant to the New Brunswick >People's Campaign. Just to refer to the drivel from the past two >days, the following are irrelevant: > >1. U&S is not a campaign newspaper (thank God!). Nor is your fight >with how quickly it does or does not go into production, Campaign >business. > >2. "Temporary Art Installation" in a park in Newark is not relevant >to New Brunswick. > >3. "Unfinished business" by and between campaign nonmembers, the >People's Organization for Progress, and Mr. Hungerford is not >relevant. > >4. Brian Coury and Joseph McDonough are not, to my knowledge, >Campaign members; business between you and them is irrelevant. > >5. Squabbles between Mr. Fortunato, Mr. Baraka, and you about Newark >are not relevant. > >In case you missed it, the Campaign's membership, at the 6/30 >meeting, ordered that the Campaign's goals are: (1) winning the Pro- >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and (2) winning the New >BRUNSWICK mayor and council seats in 2002. Not spewing invective or >dissecting ideology, but winning an electoral campaign. > >If you'd like to address that, go ahead. If not, GET THE F*** OFF MY >EGROUP and keep your lunacy off it! > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > irrelevant to what? > > > > joe > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:59 -0000 > > > > > >Do the members of this egroup have something relevant to New > > >Brunswick and more particularly to the NBPC to write about? Or is >it > > >just going to be charges and countercharges about U&S, Newark > > >politics and the rest? > > > > > >Given the irrelevant drivel I have been reading here, I am >beginning > > >to think that the Membership did not go far enough when it ordered > > >the creation of nbpcmembers without ordering the shutdown of this > > >board. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> narrow brain with loud mouth Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad hominem attack.... > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or less to win new brunswick in november? Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn listserve! > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve the peoples' campaign tremendously. It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. Please specify which one of these old relations or active organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much can they really teach us? > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such only shows your own support for schundler. What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your arguements against this happening? In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about winning seats in the New Brunswick city government.
mark, you claim no relationship to these discussions? that must be convenient for you i really couldn't imagine what's up with you - U&S won't let me work on the newspaper remember when you where like that? joe >From: David Goliath <mcsmith74@...> >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's Allegations >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:39:05 -0700 (PDT) > >This is to everyne: For future reference, my e-mail is >for my personal use. Please leave me off of all your >polemic lists. This is exactly why I changed my >account. > >Thanks >Mark > >--- joseph smith <can_bush@...> wrote: > > i think that to claim to be > > progressive/revolutionary and work to elect > > bush2 is something that needs to be dealt with. > > > > tell you what keith, you get in my way when i > > criticize phony > > revolutionaries/progressives dave and the greens and > > we'll see who's side > > that puts you on. > > > > that said where is the U&S newspaper and if it is > > not being sabotaged why > > can't i have any? > > > > normal human behavior? coming from mister i've lost > > my revolutionary > > positions in favor of republican alliances. > > > > joe smith > > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> > > >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, > > poprogress@yahoogroups.com, > > >traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., > > amirib@..., > > >lknesta@..., MeadHajduk@... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's > > Allegations > > >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 10:51:03 -0500 > > > > > >I think that saying things like " these > > >people should not be welcome to walk down the > > street if they don't work on > > >ras' campaign." is at best extremely stupid and > > careless and at worst > > >bizarre > > >and out of touch with the reality that we live in > > and normal human > > >behavoir. > > > > > >Keith > > > > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > > > > you should just argue the question of where are > > these > > > > progressives/revolutionaries at while ras baraka > > is running for Newark > > >City > > > > Council? dave is in Newark as well is > > fortuncookie in Newark and these > > > > people should not be welcome to walk down the > > street if they don't work > > >on > > > > ras' campaign. > > > > > > > > that said, where is the paper? how can i get > > one? > > > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, > > nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, > > > > >traceyx@..., mcsmith74@..., > > amirib@..., > > > > >lknesta@..., lknesta@..., > > MeadHajduk@... > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] U&S Defense Against DH's > > Allegations > > > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:29 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To POP- We are forced to confront some > > unfinished business, with some > > > > >regret > > > > >as I would much rather show my support for the > > great work that this > > > > >organization has been doing in the community in > > a more positive way. > > > > > > > > > >That said, it is in the spirit of truth and > > justice to which we all > > > > >endeavor > > > > >that we must revisit the charges that Dave > > Hungerford leveled against > > >U&S, > > > > >to wit: "threatening violence against him > > repeatedly over the last > > >three > > > > >years." > > > > > > > > > >Dismayed by his accusation, I demanded that he > > produce his evidence, as > > > > >such > > > > >charges, if unsubstantiated, can serve as > > manure for CoIntelPro as > > > > >effectively as if they were true. Responding > > that POP's public e-group > > > > >list > > > > >was not the place to air such "evidence" > > (although, curiously, his > > >charges > > > > >could be made publically) Dave would undermine > > any possibility of a > > >public > > > > >defense, choosing instead to send the > > "evidence" to me personally. > > >This is > > > > >the sort of undemocratic and underhanded > > behavior that many outside of > > >POP > > > > >have come to expect from DH, so for the record > > let his "evidence" be > > >known. > > > > >(As DH has already sent these allegations over > > the digital wire, we > > >should > > > > >no longer be concerned with 'secrecy' > > issues--as we have said in the > > >past, > > > > >such transparent veils only hide one from the > > people, while the feds > > >know > > > > >just who you are...) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS FOLLOWS: > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > > > >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > >Subject: requested information > > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:40:35 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Matthew: > > > > > > > > > >1. In a paper titled "Once more against > > 'left-wing' communism and > > >centrism' > > > > >dated /17/98, Max Haywood wrote: > > > > > > > > > >If the lone 'Lefty' gets shot in the forest, > > > > >and there's no one to see it... > > > > >Is 'Lefty' dead? > > > > >Dead as a doornail, you better believe! > > > > > > > > > >I have always taken this seriously. The > > question of what influence led > > > > >Haywood to introduce a death threat is a good > > one. > > > > > > > > > >2. In June of 1999 Brian Coury telephoned me > > twice in dispute over a > > >Zip > > > > >drive. He wanted it and I refused to give it to > > him. In a distraught > > >voice > > > > >he threatened to come to my house for it. In > > another call he said he > > >would > > > > >see me at the upcoming Five Cities March > > against police brutality. His > > > > >voice > > > > >was loud and his meaning was clear. He did not > > show. > > > > > > > > > >3. In recent e-mails, Joseph McDonough twice > > called me a "coward." He > > >did > > > > >this after being removed from a listserv on > > other people's demand for > > > > >abusing it - yet it was me with whom he > > attempted to incite something > > > > >further. > > > > > > > > > >David > > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >Choosing to maintain pseudonyms of DH's lost > > sheep of course makes it > > >more > > > > >confusing, but anyone could figure it out if > > they were in the least > > > > >interested. In defense of these absurd > > allegations: > > > > > > > > > >1. "Max Haywood" hasn't been a part of U&S for > > over a year, and to > > >extract > > > > >this quote out of the context of the typically > > lengthy and verbose > > >polemics > > > > >that "Max" frequently issued in those days, and > > then to make believe > > >that > > >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Vieques Libre" <viequeslibre@...> To: List Member <vivaohio@...> Subject: The U.S. Navy Violates Electoral Laws--Navy viola leyes electorales Date: 27 Jul 2001 20:33:15 -0000 Vieques Libre - http://www.viequeslibre.org --------------------------- ListBot Sponsor -------------------------- Sopranos fanatics, this one is for you. Tony Soprano's autographed Suburban is available for purchase on eBayTM. James Gandolfini has personally signed the vehicle. Find this and over 800 other Sopranos items for sale on eBay. http://www.bcentral.com/listbot/ebay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [Scroll down for English] COMIT� PRO RESCATE Y DESARROLLO DE VIEQUES Apartado 1424 Vieques, Puerto Rico 00765 Tel. (787) 741-0716 E mail: bieke@... 25 de julio de 2001 Comunicado de Prensa La Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos viola las leyes electorales El Comit� Pro Rescate y Desarrollo de Vieques acusa a la Marina de violar las leyes electorales de los Estados Unidos. La se�ora Nilda Medina D�az, portavoz de la organizaci�n viequense, afirma que el cuerpo castrense viola secciones del Cap�tulo 29 del C�digo Penal de los Estados Unidos, "� espec�ficamente la Secci�n 598 (sobre el uso de promesas de fondos federales para coaccionar o influenciar el ejercicio del derecho al sufragio) y la Secci�n 593 (sobre la interferencia de las fuerzas armadas en una elecci�n)." La se�ora Medina le ha pedido al se�or Guillermo Gil, Fiscal de los Estados Unidos, "que investigue sin mayor dilaci�n las violaciones a la ley por parte de la Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos", y "lo invita a que muestre (en este asunto) la misma diligencia que hasta ahora su oficina ha mostrado en radicar acusaciones en contra de los desobedientes civiles". En la comunicaci�n espec�ficamente se le indica al se�or fiscal: "� exigimos el mismo vigor en el procesamiento de los poderosos que ahora, a menos de una semana del refer�ndum, llevan a cabo acciones ilegales en un intento de comprar votos a favor de la permanencia de la Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos en suelo Viequense". Finalmente, se concluye que la acci�n inmediata es necesaria "para garantizar la realidad y la apariencia de un proceso limpio, sin amenazas y sobornos de parte de la Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos". ================================== Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques P.O. Box 1424 Vieques, Puerto Rico 00765 Tel. (787) 741-0716 E mail: bieke@... July 25, 2001 Press Release The U.S. Navy Violates Electoral Laws The Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques, accuses the Navy of violating United State�s electoral laws. Ms. Nilda Medina, a spokesperson for the organization from Vieques, stated the Navy violates sections of Chapter 29 of the U.S. Penal Code, "� specifically Section 598 (regarding the use of promises for federal funds to influence or coerce the free right to vote), and Section 593 (regarding the interference of United States� armed forces in an election." Ms. Medina has asked Mr. Guillermo Gil, U.S. Prosecutor in Puerto Rico, to "investigate without any delay, the U.S. Navy�s violations of law", and invites him to "�show (in this matter) the same diligence his office has so far shown in lodging accusations against civil disobedients". The letter specifically stresses that "�we demand the same vigor in the prosecution of the powerful who at this moment, less than a week away from the referendum, are committing illegal acts in an effort to buy votes to favor the continuation of the U.S. Navy in territory of Vieques. ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to viequeslibre-unsubscribe@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Flavio- I've seen you attack U&S a number of times now. Of course one can't be forced to like or embrace any outlet or point of view...but I'm curious as to why you're so veimently down on the newspaper. If you care to respond -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > narrow brain with loud mouth Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad hominem attack.... > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or less to win new brunswick in november? Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn listserve! > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve the peoples' campaign tremendously. It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. Please specify which one of these old relations or active organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much can they really teach us? > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such only shows your own support for schundler. What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your arguements against this happening? In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Flavio- What's your deal? Why this hostile and negative tone about postings relating to Newark? The progressive & revolutionary activities in Newark are very relevant to what happens in NB, & what goes down on NB is relevant to Newark. I've been sending messages down that I believe are particularly relevant to certain organizers, who have a history of organizing between the two cities. Usually I send them to NBPC list, as opposed to NBPCmembers, because I do agree that there are degrees of relvance to the NB campaign. But what of it, anyhow? I've seen you write extremely condecending attacks lately against Baraka & U&S--though nothing so specific that could be addressed--even attacks against people who don't spell well. & this has all been wrapped up in a militantly parochial point of view that insists that the movement in NB is in some kind of isolated bubble. I'm confused by these positions. (I do, however, agree with you that U&S shouldn't be the PC campaign newspaper, as the campaign OUGHT to be a United Front effort, and U&S maintains a particular ideological position, which it would be much more interesting and helpful for you to address than these, how do you say, "ad hominum attacks.") BTW- since when is this "Flavio's Egroup"? Perhaps this is related to the intellectual property rights notion that too many on the "left" are still infected with. -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:23:37 -0000 Joe: Irrelevant to New Brunswick and irrelevant to the New Brunswick People's Campaign. Just to refer to the drivel from the past two days, the following are irrelevant: 1. U&S is not a campaign newspaper (thank God!). Nor is your fight with how quickly it does or does not go into production, Campaign business. 2. "Temporary Art Installation" in a park in Newark is not relevant to New Brunswick. 3. "Unfinished business" by and between campaign nonmembers, the People's Organization for Progress, and Mr. Hungerford is not relevant. 4. Brian Coury and Joseph McDonough are not, to my knowledge, Campaign members; business between you and them is irrelevant. 5. Squabbles between Mr. Fortunato, Mr. Baraka, and you about Newark are not relevant. In case you missed it, the Campaign's membership, at the 6/30 meeting, ordered that the Campaign's goals are: (1) winning the Pro- Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and (2) winning the New BRUNSWICK mayor and council seats in 2002. Not spewing invective or dissecting ideology, but winning an electoral campaign. If you'd like to address that, go ahead. If not, GET THE F*** OFF MY EGROUP and keep your lunacy off it! --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > irrelevant to what? > > joe > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] curious about something.... > >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:50:59 -0000 > > > >Do the members of this egroup have something relevant to New > >Brunswick and more particularly to the NBPC to write about? Or is it > >just going to be charges and countercharges about U&S, Newark > >politics and the rest? > > > >Given the irrelevant drivel I have been reading here, I am beginning > >to think that the Membership did not go far enough when it ordered > >the creation of nbpcmembers without ordering the shutdown of this > >board. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Action Alert: Robert Knight Fired Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:23:55 -0700 (PDT) > PACIFICA CAMPAIGN ACTION ALERT > > POLK AWARD WINNER ROBERT KNIGHT FIRED > EMERGENCY PICKET SLATED FOR THURSDAY, 5:00-7:00 PM AT WBAI > > NEW YORK, (July 26) -- Robert Knight, one of Pacifica Radio's most > distinguished news reporters and program producers, was fired by WBAI's > interim general manager Utrice Leid last night. > > Knight went to Pacifica station WBAI in New York City to do his regularly- > scheduled Earthwatch show after preparing a tape on the drug war in Tulia, > Texas, to find a memo from Leid. The memo reads in part: > > "This is to inform you that effective Thursday, July 26, your program > Earthwatch is canceled. You are no longer a host of this program or any > other program at this time. You may not co-host, substitute as host, > produce for, or contribute to any other program at this time." > > Robert Knight received the George F. Polk Award, one of the most prestigious > journalism awards, for radio reporting on the 1989 US intervention of > Panama. He has also been honored by numerous other organizations for his > work, including the National Association of Black Journalists. > > In the 1980s, Robert Knight was WBAI News Director and later co-hosted a > nationally syndicated morning program "Contragate" about the Reagan-era > scandals in Central America. The program broke several important stories. > Most recently, he has been covering the struggle over the future of Pacifica > Radio, and has been a critic of the direction of the Pacifica Board and the > current WBAI management. > > This latest move adds to the purge of more than 20 on-air and off-air WBAI > staff, which began with the December firing of 20-year station veteran and > Wake-Up Call, morning-show host Bernard White and Wake-Up Call producer and > union-shop steward Sharan Harper. > > During this "Christmas Coup," Pacifica's national executives changed locks > in the middle of the night and restricted access to the station. The > ruthless staff purge that followed this Coup included many of WBAI's most > politically-active programmers, including Janice K. Bryant, Rosalie Hoffman, > Al Lewis, union organizer Ken Nash, Cerene Roberts, thirty-year veteran > programmer Mimi Rosenberg, and news reporter Eileen Sutton > > Amy Goodman, who has won the top awards in U.S. broadcast journalism for her > reporting in East Timor and Nigeria, was fired by Leid as co-host of Wake-Up > Call in March. Goodman remains at WBAI -- at least for now -- as anchor of > the nationally distributed "Democracy Now!." > > Leid has also recently installed private security guards, a state-of-the-art > surveillance system, imposed a gag rule, and has prohibited the public from > entering the station for the listener-comment period of Local-Advisory-Board > meetings. Many staffers say they now work in a climate of terror. > > PLEASE TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION > CALL, FAX, PICKET AND E-MAIL > > 1) CALL AND/OR FAX THE PACIFICA BOARD MEMBERS LISTED BELOW. Ken Ford is the > acting Board chair and Wendell Johns is another of the Board majority > members (a vice president of Fannie Mae, the federal home loan financial > giatn). Protest the arbitrary firing of one of Pacifica's most distinguished > journalists and call for the return of all the fired and the banned at WBAI. > Please also demand that these board members resign today. The turmoil has > gone on too long. Please be polite and keep the message simple. > > Acting Board Chair Ken Ford > Tel: 202-822-0228 > Tel: 301-350-6388 > Fax: 202-822-0369 > > Board member Wendell L. Johns > Tel: 202-752-5355 > Fax: 202-752-4281 > > 2) PICKET WBAI THURSDAY, JULY 26, 5:00-7:00 PM > Location: 120 Wall Street, downtown Manhattan. Take the 2, 3 or the 4, 5 > trains to Wall Street > > 3) Call in to any program that accepts calls at 212-209-2900 to protest and > announce actions and meetings. Also call the station at 212-209-2800 to > protest. > > 4) ATTEND AN EMERGENCY MEETING OF CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI ACTION AND > OUTREACH COMMITTEES SUNDAY, JULY 29, from 1:00-2:00 pm. Location TBA. Please > call 1-800-825-0055. > > 5) EMAIL > > Cut the below list of email addresses, paste it into the To: line of your > email composition form, and then cut and paste the text of the letter or > compose your own, and send it. Also go to: > http://www.progressiveportal.org/letters/pacifica/resign/ > > kford@..., KenFordPacifica@..., bsmith@..., > jmurdock@..., wendell_L_johns@..., Alfigo@..., > Valrie.Chambers@..., pacificacampaign@... > > Sample Text > > Dear Pacifica Board member, > > The arbitrary firing of award-winning WBAI news reporter Robert Knight on > July 25 shocks the conscience of the entire WBAI community. > > Robert Knight received the George F. Polk Award for radio reporting on the > 1989 U.S. intervention of Panama. He has also been honored by numerous other > organizations for his work, including the National Association of Black > Journalists. He is one of the most distinguished journalists in the Pacifica > Radio network. > > But, sadly, his name is now added to the more than 20 on-air and off-air > WBAI staff who have been purged from the station since the December firing > of 20-year station veteran and Wake-Up Call morning-show host Bernard White > and Wake-Up Call producer and union-shop steward Sharan Harper. > > This act of retaliation against Robert by WBAI interim general manager > Utrice Leid will not go unchallenged. It underscores the new for new > leadership at WBAI and the Pacifica Radio network. 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Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO!
SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9
no vote 8
flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against SWORD because
you say to me, "you don't support democracy"?
load of pond ducks
explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in the NBPC
must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see each other
sooner.
keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com
joe smith
>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something....
>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000
>
> > narrow brain with loud mouth
>
>Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad
>hominem attack....
>
> > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or
>less to win new brunswick in november?
>
>Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn
>listserve!
>
> > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve
>the peoples' campaign tremendously.
>
>It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose
>ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't
>understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and
>unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell
>to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and
>we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign.
>
> > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned
>from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they
>have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders.
>
>Please specify which one of these old relations or active
>organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to
>office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much
>can they really teach us?
>
>
> > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick
>and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective
>strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is
>no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such
>only shows your own support for schundler.
>
>What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e.
>the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L.
>Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim
>McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler!
>
>
> > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line
>of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your
>arguements against this happening?
>
>In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the
>Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two
>council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will
>be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about
>struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about
>winning seats in the New Brunswick city government.
>
>
>
>
>
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I decided to Send you haiku for your own Edification Here are some things that You ought to know about life Please pay attention 1. You were born on a Puppy farm in New Jersey You are a collie You smell your friend's ass You thought she was a small dog She's just a big cat 2. Go to church with a Llama and a prostitute You'll get kicked out fast If you wear a dress Your boss will think you are gay Wear beige slacks instead 3. Don't cheat on your wife With a freshly caught tuna She'll smell it on you If you love it good It will make you smell so bad Like a seafood store 4. Jesus Christ told you To sniff airplane glue daily Now you are a dog Saint Bartholemew Is the patron saint of shrimp And other shellfish 5. Princess Diana Lives in a box in your house She faked her own death You look at pictures Of the Queen Mother naked You have quite odd tastes 6. Bret Schundler has a Pompadour and garlic breath He thinks he's Reagan Bret Schundler hates you He ran over your pet cat He's often like that Conclusion ---------- I hope you liked these They are for your benefit Please do enjoy them Sincerely, your friend Master of haiku and love 'Haiku Master J' PS -- I am an artist Though I am not Amiri I can write as well --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > el senior, you are a peoples' campaign sell-out!! now get out! > > you did not ever, until exposed, come out with being republican! > > the peoples' campaign was founded to launch the platform of democratic > community control over the institutions that control the community, lier! > > el comprador, what exactly is your problem with the republican party, that > you suggest "I can only work to change the image republican party if i'm in > the republican party"? > > stop acting like you wear diapers, republicans serve white supremacy and > international finance capital, to say otherwise will further expose your > sell-out desires. > > fuck you. fuck your boss. fuck his boss. and fuck schundler! > your just waiting for skunk to come around to schundler you wannaB. > > joe smith > Stundent/Worker Organization For Revolutionary Democracy > 732.586.5535 > 13 James Street New Brunswick 08901 > can_bush@h... > > > > > >From: citruswar@a... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S production- lack there of... > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:57:54 EDT > > > >To all concerned! > > > >I know it may seem strange that I openly advocate being a republican, but I > >have also stressed that I am a People's Campain Republican! I feel deep in > >my heart that it is important for me to hold on to this new political > >title. > > > >I can only work to change the image of the Republican Party if I'm in the > >Republican Party. When the human body is sick, the doctor gives you a > >prescription to put inside your mouth, thus inside of the body. I am > >trying > >to work on that theory. That I can work from the inside out and change the > >Republican Party into a People's Campaign Republican Party. Our original > >idea for People's Campaign was that all political groups could come > >together > >for the common good of mankind. If we loose this theory then we have lost > >the original spirit of People's Campaign. I no longer will get angry or > >upset with anyone who decides to deface, slander or make negative comments > >about other Republicans including: Reverend Dr. DeForest Blake Soaries > >Jr. > >When you take a baby, who is hungry and wet and crying out for attention, > >the > >baby does not care whether or not the mother or father attends to it. It > >is > >just satisfied to know that its needs are met. We should feel the same way > >about the needs of this nation. Communist, Democrats, Republicans, > >Right-Winged, Left-Winged, etc. should work toward the common goal. The > >old > >saying: "Two heads are better than one" I feel will really work for our > >cause. I cannot account or justify anyone else's actions but my own. I am > >a > >People's Campaign Republican until People' s Campaign does something that > >is > >directly against its original theory of serving the people. > > > >Curtis L. Warren Sr. > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Joe, I am glad that you are continuing on that same route, it justifies my commitment to the promise that I made to you over the phone. I am sincerely pursuing every avenue to secure that promise to you if I will go down in history for anything, it will be for completing what I said to you over the phone. The only regret that I have will be the lost friendship to your brother Matt. See ya, when I see ya. this message was received by me sunday july 29 from republican curtis warren from new brunswick. Waron Curtis is refering to calls he made to my cell phone, july 7, in which he stated that he was gunna hunt me down and where is 13 James St. (my address) cause he's comin to fuck me up. My only arguements with WarOn Curtis have been about his backwards racist republican agenda. Peoples' war on the right! Smash Schoundler!! joe smith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Mmah191@... Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [poprogress] (no subject) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:52:21 EDT PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS POST OFFICE BOX 22505 NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 07101-2505 (973) 801-0001 HIGH-SPEED POLICE CHASES OF STOLEN CARS BY POLICE MUST STOP (Statement by Lawrence Hamm, Chairman of the People's Organization For Progress, at a vigil in Newark for Patricia Trammell July 29, 2001) HIGH-SPEED CHASES OF STOLEN CARS BY POLICE HAVE RECENTLY RESULTED IN THE DEATHS OF CRYSTAL LEE AND PATRICIA TRAMMELL, AND SERIOUS INJURY TO CURTIS BERRY, JESSICA PEMBERTON, CHANTE CHAMBERS AND OTHERS. TODAY, THE PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS ONCE AGAIN CALLS FOR A BAN ON HIGH-SPEED POLICE PURSUITS OF STOLEN VEHICLES IN HIGHLY POPULATED AREAS. WE CALL UPON THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO REVISE THE STATE GUIDELINES ON HIGH-SPEED CHASES BY POLICE, AND WE CALL ON COUNTY AND MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS, ESPECIALLY HERE IN ESSEX COUNTY, TO DO THE SAME. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL ONLY RESULT IN FUTURE DEATHS OF INNOCENT VICTIMS LIKE CRYSTAL LEE AND PATRICIA TRAMMELL. A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE SAID THAT REWRITING THE GUIDELINES WOULD BE GIVING CAR THIEVES A PASS. THE IMPLICATION HERE IS THAT WE SUPPORT CAR THIEVES. WE FIND THIS HIGHLY INSULTING AND WE DEMAND AN IMMEDIATE APOLOGY FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. WE, IN THE STATE'S URBAN BLACK AND LATINO COMMUNITIES ARE AMONG THE BIGGEST VICTIMS OF CRIME. WE ARE OPPOSED TO AUTO THEFT AND WE WANT CAR THIEVES CAUGHT. WE ONLY BELIEVE THAT INNOCENT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE KILLED IN THE PROCESS. A STOLEN CAR CAN BE REPLACED. A HUMAN LIFE CANNOT. THE SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE AND THE POLICE OFFICERS THEMSELVES MUST BE THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATION. THAT SPOKESPERSON ALSO SAID THAT STATUTORY CHANGES WOULD BE NECESSARY BEFORE THE GUIDELINES COULD BE CHANGED. TODAY THE PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS CALLS UPON STATE LEGISLATORS, AND ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM THIS AREA TO SPEAK OUT ON THIS ISSUE AND PUT FORWARD THE NECESSARY ENABLING LEGISLATION. NEWARK POLICE DIRECTOR JOSEPH SANTIAGO HAS SAID THAT A NO-CHASE POLICY WOULD AMOUNT TO "MALFEASANCE." WE SAY IT WOULD BE GOOD COMMON SENSE. NEW YORK CITY HAS SUCH A POLICY. IS THE ENTIRE NEW YORK CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT GUILTY OF MALFEASEANCE? IF NEW YORK CITY CAN DO IT, WHOSE POPULATION IS LARGER THAN ALL OF NEW JERSEY'S AND WHOSE POLICE FORCE IS TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF NEWARK'S, THEN CITIES IN THIS STATE CAN DO IT. I ASK ATTORNEY GENERAL FARMER AND DIRECTOR SANTIAGO HOW MANY MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO DIE BEFORE YOU FORMULATE NEW POLICIES? ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CARJACKING AND AUTO THEFTS MUST STOP. WE HOPE THAT ANYONE EVEN THINKING ABOUT STELAING A CAR WILL REMEMBER CRYSTAL LEE AND PATRICIA TRAMMELL, AND THEN DECIDE NOT DO IT. WHEN YOU STEAL A CAR EVERYBODY LOSES. YOU LOSE WHEN YOU ARE HURT AND CAUGHT OR KILLED IN THE PROCESS. INNOCENT PEOPLE LOSE WHEN THEY ARE HURT AND KILLED IN THE PROCESS. THE WHOLE COMMUNITY LOSES BECAUSE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IS NEGATIVELY AFFECTED. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...> Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com Subject: [motherlandcollective] Newark Public Library August Programs Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 06:40:29 -0700 (PDT) T H E N E W A R K P U B L I C L I B R A R Y 5 WASHINGTON STREET, NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 07102 P R E S S R E L E A S E July 24, 2001 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: J. Dennis Papp 733-7798; dpapp@... Library announces programs for August The Newark Public Library announced its program schedule for August. These free cultural programs will be held at the main library, 5 Washington Street; the branch library programs follow the main library listing. For more information, consult the phone number listed or visit the library's home page: www.npl.org. TWO EXHIBITIONS--The United States and World War II, an exhibition comprising historic posters, songs and photographs from 1941-1945, selected from the library's Special Collections. On view on the third- floor gallery, through September 8, during library hours. Architecture Observed, an exhibition featuring monumental and historic books on architecture, plus original prints and posters, and color drawings by Frank Lloyd Wright. On view on the second-floor gallery, through September 8, during library hours. William J. Dane curated both exhibitions. Call (973) 733-7745. 1--World War II: a program presented by the library's William J. Dane and Herb A. Williams. It focuses on the music, dance and history of World War II, as well as a discussion of the library's current exhibition on the subject. It will be held in Centennial Hall, beginning 6pm. Call (973) 733-7745 (Dane) or 733-7847 (Williams). 8-"Lawn Read-A-Thon" series: a video showing of Four by Ailey, a presentation of Alvin Ailey's Dance Theatre. Program will be held outdoors in library's north garden (in Centennial Hall in case of rain), beginning at Noon. Patrons are invited to bring a bag lunch; the library will provide soft drinks. Call (973) 733-7847. 9, 16, 23, 30--"Steps to Success" career and job program series, held in the fourth-floor Auditorium, from 2pm to 4pm. August 9: The Basics (assess your skills and identify occupations); August 16: The Resume (develop effective resumes and cover letters); August 23: The Job Search (create an action plan and target prospective employers); August 30: The Interview (learn tips on dress and behavior, as well as answers to tough questions). Call (973) 733-7779. 15-"Lawn Read-A-Thon" series presents Abstract Art. Program will be held outdoors in library's north garden (in Centennial Hall in case of rain), beginning at Noon. Patrons are invited to bring a bag lunch; the library will provide soft drinks. Call (973) 733-7847. 18--The Frances E.W. Harper Literary Society presents the program "Writer's Forum: Writers as Educators." It will be held in Centennial Hall from 10am to 12:30pm. Call (973) 733-5411. 25--"The Prudential Foundation Summer Reading Challenge" will hold its awards ceremony for those children who participated in this summer's program by reading and reporting on at least five books. Centennial Hall, 10am. Call (973) 733-5642. Master magician Jim Vagias will conclude his presentation of "Reading Is Cool" on August 15 at two branch libraries. This fun-filled, audience-participation series was funded by the Newark Public Schools. At 1:30pm, the program will be held at the First Avenue branch (282 First Avenue, 973-733-8091); at 2:45pm, it will be presented at the Roseville branch (99 North 5th Street, 973-733-7770). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Feel free to pass this email along. The Go Newark Network GoNewark.com - Guide2Newark.com - TheNewarker.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: jagross66@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: U&S production- lack there of... Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:55:43 -0000 I decided to Send you haiku for your own Edification (I decided to respond) Here are some things that You ought to know about life Please pay attention (Don't remember asking, but thanx,,,) 1. You were born on a Puppy farm in New Jersey You are a collie (Cicero, Chicago...I wanted to be a horse.) You smell your friend's ass You thought she was a small dog She's just a big cat (She also wanted to be a horse.) 2. Go to church with a Llama and a prostitute You'll get kicked out fast (Unless it's their church) If you wear a dress Your boss will think you are gay Wear beige slacks instead (F Cackies. I wore a skirt to X & Kerry's wedding, though, and their families just KNEW i was gay!) 3. Don't cheat on your wife With a freshly caught tuna She'll smell it on you (Not married) If you love it good It will make you smell so bad Like a seafood store (Tuna makes me fart) 4. Jesus Christ told you To sniff airplane glue daily Now you are a dog (Was that Jesus? I thought it was the dog talking) Saint Bartholemew Is the patron saint of shrimp And other shellfish (Saint James is the patron saint of silly non-sequitor) 5. Princess Diana Lives in a box in your house She faked her own death (I am the Walrus) You look at pictures Of the Queen Mother naked You have quite odd tastes (Coo-coo-cachu) 6. Bret Schundler has a Pompadour and garlic breath He thinks he's Reagan (You made me look up 'Papadour'. I hate you. I hate Reagan more. I'm learning to hate Schundler. I don't hate you.) Bret Schundler hates you He ran over your pet cat He's often like that (It's come to that.) Conclusion ---------- I hope you liked these They are for your benefit Please do enjoy them (You're so kind) Sincerely, your friend Master of haiku and love 'Haiku Master J' (Master!? You're still, like, "Wax on! Wax off!") PS -- I am an artist Though I am not Amiri I can write as well (Don't be so sure.) -Love, Matthew _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Anyone interested in doing research or just reading up on back issues... we are cleaning out our library, and many many issues of The Nation, The Progressive, as well as a few other politically-oriented texts going back for years are going to be discarded. There's a wealth of information in there but realistically we're just not going to go back through them. I'd rather see someone else make use rather than recycling them. Please contact me ASAP if you are interested or you know anyone who may be. E-mail or phone me at 732-819-0919. Chris
>PS -- > >I am an artist >Though I am not Amiri >I can write as well Often better, even ;) --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > el senior, you are a peoples' campaign sell-out!! now get out! > > you did not ever, until exposed, come out with being republican! > > the peoples' campaign was founded to launch the platform of democratic > community control over the institutions that control the community, lier! > > el comprador, what exactly is your problem with the republican party, that > you suggest "I can only work to change the image republican party if i'm in > the republican party"? > > stop acting like you wear diapers, republicans serve white supremacy and > international finance capital, to say otherwise will further expose your > sell-out desires. > > fuck you. fuck your boss. fuck his boss. and fuck schundler! > your just waiting for skunk to come around to schundler you wannaB. > > joe smith > Stundent/Worker Organization For Revolutionary Democracy > 732.586.5535 > 13 James Street New Brunswick 08901 > can_bush@h... > > > > > >From: citruswar@a... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] U&S production- lack there of... > >Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:57:54 EDT > > > >To all concerned! > > > >I know it may seem strange that I openly advocate being a republican, but I > >have also stressed that I am a People's Campain Republican! I feel deep in > >my heart that it is important for me to hold on to this new political > >title. > > > >I can only work to change the image of the Republican Party if I'm in the > >Republican Party. When the human body is sick, the doctor gives you a > >prescription to put inside your mouth, thus inside of the body. I am > >trying > >to work on that theory. That I can work from the inside out and change the > >Republican Party into a People's Campaign Republican Party. Our original > >idea for People's Campaign was that all political groups could come > >together > >for the common good of mankind. If we loose this theory then we have lost > >the original spirit of People's Campaign. I no longer will get angry or > >upset with anyone who decides to deface, slander or make negative comments > >about other Republicans including: Reverend Dr. DeForest Blake Soaries > >Jr. > >When you take a baby, who is hungry and wet and crying out for attention, > >the > >baby does not care whether or not the mother or father attends to it. It > >is > >just satisfied to know that its needs are met. We should feel the same way > >about the needs of this nation. Communist, Democrats, Republicans, > >Right-Winged, Left-Winged, etc. should work toward the common goal. The > >old > >saying: "Two heads are better than one" I feel will really work for our > >cause. I cannot account or justify anyone else's actions but my own. I am > >a > >People's Campaign Republican until People' s Campaign does something that > >is > >directly against its original theory of serving the people. > > > >Curtis L. Warren Sr. > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: When you say, "explain yourself", it seems as though you are demanding a confession of sin, of inner fallenness. A confession is not an argument. I will, however, provide arguments as to why I _would have_ voted against your clique's aims. (I was, unfortunately, unable to attend the meeting). In short, I would not have voted against your clique's readmittance to the organization. I would have voted against so much as bringing it up for a vote. In short, it is my understanding that, on several bases, the vote was not legitimate. It was not really a democratic vote at all. The most obvious objection is that it wasn't even on the agenda; the standard practice is that such things are proposed at a meeting during the first month, and then placed on the agenda for a vote during the following month. Do you object to the norm of _open participation_ as a central element of democracy? Unless you do, you must agree with me. The use of agendas and preliminary votes, as described above, exist in part so that people may be forewarned as to what is up for a vote during the following meeting. That way, if someone is out of town, etc, they can vote by absentee means. This was formally, democratically adopted by the Campaign. However, certain rules are so central to basic democratic norms that they stand whether or not they were codified into law. The fact that they were adopted as written rules only bolsters my claims. Do you also propose that individuals have their 'voting rights' in an organization stifled? I can provide several more arguments, but I'll let this one stand as pretty much sufficient. If you have a counter-argument, present it. I don't want to hear 1) childish nicknames like 'Waron Curtis', 2) a stream of slogans, 3) watery rhetoric about 'the people' or 'the community'. You are not 'the community' nor 'the people' any more than Donald DiFrancesco _is_ 'the people of New Jersey' in one person. PS -- Your organization is just as susceptible to the 'arrogance of power' as any other, so stop 'playing victim'. Actually, since you seem to reject the norm(s) of legality, it is more susceptible. PPS -- These are not 'my arguments'. These are standard arguments that any reasonable person with a basic commitment to liberal democratic norms would make. It is only 'my' presentation of standard arguments. So please address the arguments, and not me. Yours, Jeremy > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > no vote 8 > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against SWORD because > you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > load of pond ducks > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in the NBPC > must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see each other > sooner. > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > joe smith > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad > >hominem attack.... > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > >listserve! > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > >arguements against this happening? > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>When you say, "explain yourself", it seems as though you are >demanding a confession of sin, of inner fallenness. A confession is >not an argument. an explaination is an arguement. > >I will, however, provide arguments as to why I _would have_ voted >against your clique's aims. (I was, unfortunately, unable to attend >the meeting). In short, I would not have voted against your clique's >readmittance to the organization. I would have voted against so much >as bringing it up for a vote. my organizations aim is community control over the community through Revolutionary Democracy. what is your clique's aim? >In short, it is my understanding that, on several bases, the vote was >not legitimate. It was not really a democratic vote at all. The >most obvious objection is that it wasn't even on the agenda; the >standard practice is that such things are proposed at a meeting >during the first month, and then placed on the agenda for a vote >during the following month. it was on the agenda as soon as the meeting was open to the public. >Do you object to the norm of _open participation_ as a central >element of democracy? Unless you do, you must agree with me. open participation is what you are aguing against when you claim the agenda more important that the will of the public in attendance. >The use of agendas and preliminary votes, as described above, exist >in part so that people may be forewarned as to what is up for a vote >during the following meeting. That way, if someone is out of town, >etc, they can vote by absentee means. This was formally, >democratically adopted by the Campaign. However, certain rules are >so central to basic democratic norms that they stand whether or not >they were codified into law. The fact that they were adopted as >written rules only bolsters my claims. you can write all the rules you want, peoples' democracy was not violated by the expulsion on all republicans, nor the readmittance of BOL/SWORD >Do you also propose that individuals have their 'voting rights' in an >organization stifled? nobody had their voting rights stifled. although if you attempt to block votes on the basis of an agenda it will be you who wears that charge. >I can provide several more arguments, but I'll let this one stand as >pretty much sufficient. If you have a counter-argument, present it. >I don't want to hear 1) childish nicknames like 'Waron Curtis', 2) a >stream of slogans, 3) watery rhetoric about 'the people' or 'the >community'. You are not 'the community' nor 'the people' any more >than Donald DiFrancesco _is_ 'the people of New Jersey' in one >person. what are you talking about? what counter argument is needed for your agenda position? >PS -- >Your organization is just as susceptible to the 'arrogance of power' >as any other, so stop 'playing victim'. Actually, since you seem to >reject the norm(s) of legality, it is more susceptible. can you explain what point you are trying to make. i am not asking for a confession. i can make out the threat of it, but what is it all wrapped up in? >PPS -- >These are not 'my arguments'. These are standard arguments that any >reasonable person with a basic commitment to liberal democratic norms >would make. It is only 'my' presentation of standard arguments. So >please address the arguments, and not me. liberal democratic norms will ruin the peoples' campaign. and as much as you promote them is as much as they'll be your arguments. >Yours, > >Jeremy > > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > no vote 8 > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against >SWORD because > > you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in >the NBPC > > must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see >each other > > sooner. > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > joe smith > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an >ad > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared >or > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > >listserve! > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would >serve > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you >sell > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be >learned > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but >they > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new >brunswick > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there >is > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue >such > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its >line > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and >two > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who >will > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>Joe, >I don't know how to join the "members only" list but I would imganie that >the exclusive nature of the list is no longer necessary. I will send a msg. >to that list asking that you be adding or that the restrictions be taken >off altogther. as long as BOL/SWORD are granted immediate access... and all known republicans are immediately denied access... >I also wanted to say that I don't think that people need to explain why >they voted the way they did. People have a right to their opinion as well >as their vote. if people don't want to hear it that's fine with me. flavier says i'm against democracy, he'll have to explain it somehow. >I am hoping that ending the policy of excluding sword will lead to a >renewed campaign not more intensive name calling and accusations. keith if you cannot sense that there is a large sectarian bloc leading the charge against SWORD organizing within the nbpc then i don't know what to tell you. i will organize open and above board, i will not conspire. >I think that the main tasks before The People's Camapign are until the >November >election are: >1. the defeat of Shundler we should begin immediate work on a voter registration/education campaign. many organizations throughout the state can be contacted to participate. >2. cricticism/summation of past elctorial effort that concludes in >re-orientation and rectification with a set of POU's and renewed vow to the >local platform and the inclusion of a national platform or at least a >committment to developing one. In my opinion the Campaign without POU's and >a commitment to the platform is just chasing ambulances rather than >building a movement. I already sent out this piece below but I am sending >it again. I am hoping that we can build some unity around it. I think that >it can serve as the begining for a rectification and reorientation. i would suggest that until this is finely organized that we should draft our positions and present them at the general meetings. my criticism and summation will be known and i would encourage all members to make an effort to draft their own. > >Keith joe smith > >What to do? > > Since the February meeting the People's Campaign has become >increasing >disoriented and isolated from any base whatsoever. The meetings following >February >have been characterized by petty intrigues, petty debates about >organizational >structure, expulsions, and a general crisis of identity. I think this state >is >recognized by most but few are clear enough or willing enough to admit it. >This state >of affairs has come about because of a bad strategy that was initiated at >the founding >meeting of the campaign in January of 2000. The strategy that was put into >motion at >said meeting was a united front against local the democratic party. This >strategy saw >the local democratic party as the main target and then sought allies on >that basis >leading us to ally ourselves with republicans among others. Our out look >was short >sighted, narrow and parochial. > Instead of strategizing to build a movement over the long term we >thought only in >terms of the upcoming election. This is a recipe for failure and has put us >in the >position we are in today. It has confused the organization and those >associated with >it to the point of paralysis. The last meetings resolution to have two main >objectives >for the campaign (democracy ordinance and mayor's election 2000) is just >more >wandering in the wilderness. > What we need is a ground up re-organization that begins with a sum up >of our >success and failures in our last attempt. This must include a critique of >the faulty >strategy that I already mentioned and include a new orientation. The new >orientation >should begin with a strategy that states clearly that the Republican Party >is the main >danger facing working people, students, and the democratic middle classes. >(This >should be increasingly obvious as Bush 2 begins to set back the peace and >anti-war >movement 30 years by unilaterally withdrawing from the Anti-Ballistic >Missile treaty, >provoking Russia and China into a renewal of the arms race.) Being that >they are the >main danger they should be opposed independently where possible and in >coalition with >the democratic party when necessary. Likewise the democratic party are no >friend of >working people and it is our intention to build an independent movement. We >will >oppose the democratic party where possible (like in New Brunswick) and >unite with them >when there is a greater danger like in the upcoming gubernatorial election. >This >should be our stated strategy. > We must unequivocally cease the bourgeois politician's practice of >being all >things to all people. If we alienate some people we will inspire many more. >We are >supposed to be political leaders, which means we have to be in front not >tailing >behind the most backward sections of the population trying to offend no >one. >The essence of our principles of unity should be struggle for People's >Democracy. >Defined as majority rule. We want participatory democracy not manufactured >consent. >We must be uncompromising when it comes to principles. > Also a final note as to fund raising since the only nominee for the >open steering >committee seat believes that this is the most important issue. Money will >come after >we do some good political work. No one is going to give us money to do good >political >work. Instead of worrying about fundraising we should worry about build an >organization and a movement with a clear strategy and set of principles. >The setting >of fundraising as an ends in itself is a continuation of the "office >community center >democracy clubhouse" line that was defeated both in theory and in practice. > > > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > no vote 8 > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against SWORD >because you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in the >NBPC must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see each >other sooner. > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > joe smith > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > >listserve! > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Matt, I'll respond to you in a day or so, but privately and not on this egroup. As I've said, U&S isn't a campaign newspaper and its production problems (like my problems with its contents) are not campaign business. FLK --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Flavio- I've seen you attack U&S a number of times now. Of course one can't > be forced to like or embrace any outlet or point of view...but I'm curious > as to why you're so veimently down on the newspaper. If you care to respond > -Matt > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Groovemeister007@y... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad > hominem attack.... > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or > less to win new brunswick in november? > > Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > listserve! > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve > the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell > to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned > from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they > have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > Please specify which one of these old relations or active > organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > can they really teach us? > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick > and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is > no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such > only shows your own support for schundler. > > What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line > of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > arguements against this happening? > > In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two > council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will > be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: CitrusWar@... >To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: U&S production- lack there of... >Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:47:37 EDT > >Joe, > >I am glad that you are continuing on that same route, it justifies my >commitment to the promise that I made to you over the phone. > >I am sincerely pursuing every avenue to secure that promise to you if I >will >go down in history for anything, it will be for completing what I said to >you over the phone. > >The only regret that I have will be the lost friendship to your brother >Matt. > See ya, when I see ya. -message i received from el senior curtis warren _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe & Keith, As I understand it, nbpcmembers may be subscribed to by sending an email to nbpcmembers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com One of the moderators must then approve the subscription. The members' March 30 vote on listserves called for a members-only listserv which is what nbpcmembers is. There is no reason for doing away with that distinction, nor has the membership said so to my knowledge (I was not personally at the 7/28 meeting). More to the point, however, Joe's demand for access to nbpcmembers by "BOL/SWORD" is unclear. Specifically, "members" of NBPC are allowed access to that list. A "member" is: 1. New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens or not, upon appearing at a general meeting or a convention meeting; 2. Non-New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens or not, who have within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign, upon attending a full general meeting or convention meeting; and 3. Any person under age 13, whether a citizen or not, who has within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign. Before anybody gets access to nbpcmembers, they must fulfill one of those criteria. So, I really don't know at this time who gets access because individuals get access, not organizations as Joe demands. (Or perhaps he's conceding that BOL/SWORD is him alone, I'm not sure). At any rate, once a moderator receives proof that a particular person is a "member" as defined above, they can get access. Keith, as to your other discussion about principles of unity, what are your objections (other than your mere disagreement with them) to the "goals," "purposes," "principles of unity" - call them what you will - adopted at the June meeting, specifically, winning the Pro- Democracy Ordinance in 2001 and the mayor and 2 city council seats in 2002? The membership has spoken and I'm not sure what has changed to warrant us reconsidering those two guiding principles. The membership has also spoken that opposing Bret Schundler is a means of implementing those principles. I presume you don't want that aspect of implementing the goals/purposes/principles changed as well? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > >Joe, > >I don't know how to join the "members only" list but I would imganie that > >the exclusive nature of the list is no longer necessary. I will send a msg. > >to that list asking that you be adding or that the restrictions be taken > >off altogther. > > as long as BOL/SWORD are granted immediate access... and all known > republicans are immediately denied access... > > >I also wanted to say that I don't think that people need to explain why > >they voted the way they did. People have a right to their opinion as well > >as their vote. > > if people don't want to hear it that's fine with me. flavier says i'm > against democracy, he'll have to explain it somehow. > > >I am hoping that ending the policy of excluding sword will lead to a > >renewed campaign not more intensive name calling and accusations. > > keith if you cannot sense that there is a large sectarian bloc leading the > charge against SWORD organizing within the nbpc then i don't know what to > tell you. i will organize open and above board, i will not conspire. > > >I think that the main tasks before The People's Camapign are until the > >November > >election are: > >1. the defeat of Shundler > > we should begin immediate work on a voter registration/education campaign. > many organizations throughout the state can be contacted to participate. > > >2. cricticism/summation of past elctorial effort that concludes in > >re-orientation and rectification with a set of POU's and renewed vow to the > >local platform and the inclusion of a national platform or at least a > >committment to developing one. In my opinion the Campaign without POU's and > >a commitment to the platform is just chasing ambulances rather than > >building a movement. I already sent out this piece below but I am sending > >it again. I am hoping that we can build some unity around it. I think that > >it can serve as the begining for a rectification and reorientation. > > i would suggest that until this is finely organized that we should draft our > positions and present them at the general meetings. my criticism and > summation will be known and i would encourage all members to make an effort > to draft their own. > > > > > >Keith > > joe smith > > > > >What to do? > > > > Since the February meeting the People's Campaign has become > >increasing > >disoriented and isolated from any base whatsoever. The meetings following > >February > >have been characterized by petty intrigues, petty debates about > >organizational > >structure, expulsions, and a general crisis of identity. I think this state > >is > >recognized by most but few are clear enough or willing enough to admit it. > >This state > >of affairs has come about because of a bad strategy that was initiated at > >the founding > >meeting of the campaign in January of 2000. The strategy that was put into > >motion at > >said meeting was a united front against local the democratic party. This > >strategy saw > >the local democratic party as the main target and then sought allies on > >that basis > >leading us to ally ourselves with republicans among others. Our out look > >was short > >sighted, narrow and parochial. > > Instead of strategizing to build a movement over the long term we > >thought only in > >terms of the upcoming election. This is a recipe for failure and has put us > >in the > >position we are in today. It has confused the organization and those > >associated with > >it to the point of paralysis. The last meetings resolution to have two main > >objectives > >for the campaign (democracy ordinance and mayor's election 2000) is just > >more > >wandering in the wilderness. > > What we need is a ground up re-organization that begins with a sum up > >of our > >success and failures in our last attempt. This must include a critique of > >the faulty > >strategy that I already mentioned and include a new orientation. The new > >orientation > >should begin with a strategy that states clearly that the Republican Party > >is the main > >danger facing working people, students, and the democratic middle classes. > >(This > >should be increasingly obvious as Bush 2 begins to set back the peace and > >anti-war > >movement 30 years by unilaterally withdrawing from the Anti- Ballistic > >Missile treaty, > >provoking Russia and China into a renewal of the arms race.) Being that > >they are the > >main danger they should be opposed independently where possible and in > >coalition with > >the democratic party when necessary. Likewise the democratic party are no > >friend of > >working people and it is our intention to build an independent movement. We > >will > >oppose the democratic party where possible (like in New Brunswick) and > >unite with them > >when there is a greater danger like in the upcoming gubernatorial election. > >This > >should be our stated strategy. > > We must unequivocally cease the bourgeois politician's practice of > >being all > >things to all people. If we alienate some people we will inspire many more. > >We are > >supposed to be political leaders, which means we have to be in front not > >tailing > >behind the most backward sections of the population trying to offend no > >one. > >The essence of our principles of unity should be struggle for People's > >Democracy. > >Defined as majority rule. We want participatory democracy not manufactured > >consent. > >We must be uncompromising when it comes to principles. > > Also a final note as to fund raising since the only nominee for the > >open steering > >committee seat believes that this is the most important issue. Money will > >come after > >we do some good political work. No one is going to give us money to do good > >political > >work. Instead of worrying about fundraising we should worry about build an > >organization and a movement with a clear strategy and set of principles. > >The setting > >of fundraising as an ends in itself is a continuation of the "office > >community center > >democracy clubhouse" line that was defeated both in theory and in practice. > > > > > > > > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > > no vote 8 > > > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against SWORD > >because you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in the > >NBPC must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see each > >other sooner. > > > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > > > joe smith > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad > > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or > > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > > >listserve! > > > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve > > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell > > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned > > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they > > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick > > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is > > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such > > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line > > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two > > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will > > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is organizing a Political Prisoner/Vieques Contingent for this year's Bronx Puerto Rican Day Parade!! If you are interested in marching with us and endorsing this contingent (list still in formation) then please join us on: WHEN: Sunday August 5th, 2001 at 9am WHERE: 174th St. and Grand Concourse in the Bronx Take the D train to 174th-175th St. We invite all organizations that are interested in joining our contingent to please contact ProLibertad at ProLibertad@..., or call our Bronx Office at 718-601-4751, Manhattan Office at 212-927-9065, or our New Jersey Office at 201-435-3244.
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign forwards this message out in hopes that the International community makes Sept. 12th a day of action, solidarity and support for our brother Leonard Peltier!! ****************Below is a mass call for support for Leonard Peltier****************************** LEONARD PELTIER'S BIRTHDAY - SEPTEMBER 12 - INITIATE LOCAL ACTIONS >September 12, 2001 will mark Leonard Peltier's 57th birthday. What >better way to celebrate than to support his freedom by organizing a >local action on his behalf? There are many things you can do. Here are >some actions that have been held in the past to commemorate Leonard >Peltier's birthday: > >* Hold a demonstration or vigil: Help keep the Peltier case in the >public eye by organizing a demonstration or vigil in protest of >Peltier's wrongful imprisonment and the FBI's obstruction of justice. > >* Host a fundraiser birthday party: Organize a gathering - serve food >and cake, sponsor entertainment, and/or show a video on the case in >honor of Peltier. Collect donations from the attendees in support of >Leonard Peltier 's continued defense. > >* Conduct a day of outreach: Maintain a presence in a busy area of your >community (parks, street corners, concerts or events, etc.). Set up a >literature table, grab a clipboard and collect signatures from passers >by, or hand out leaflets. > >Please let us know as early as possible if you are organizing something >so we can help publicize it. We also encourage you to invite your local >press to cover your event. If you need help constructing press >materials, feel free to contact us. > >In Solidarity, >LPDC >lpdc@... > >"Whoever's in charge up there >Had better take the elevator down >And put more than change in our cup >Or else we.are coming.up." >-- Ani DiFranco > >FREE LEONARD PELTIER! > >http://www.freepeltier.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
That's fine, Flavio- I look foward to your response. But for the record: 1. Nobody besides Joe ever said it should be a campaign newspaper. 2. You still have made alot of condecending and unprincipled remarks about Amiri Baraka and about U&S on this egroup, so I think it's resonable to expect your reasoning here as well. Otherwise, it doesn't have much credibility in my book. Matt. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: curious about something.... Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:17:41 -0000 Matt, I'll respond to you in a day or so, but privately and not on this egroup. As I've said, U&S isn't a campaign newspaper and its production problems (like my problems with its contents) are not campaign business. FLK --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Flavio- I've seen you attack U&S a number of times now. Of course one can't > be forced to like or embrace any outlet or point of view...but I'm curious > as to why you're so veimently down on the newspaper. If you care to respond > -Matt > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Groovemeister007@y... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an ad > hominem attack.... > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or > less to win new brunswick in november? > > Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > listserve! > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve > the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell > to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be learned > from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but they > have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > Please specify which one of these old relations or active > organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > can they really teach us? > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick > and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there is > no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue such > only shows your own support for schundler. > > What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its line > of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > arguements against this happening? > > In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and two > council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who will > be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: "ViequesLibre" <ViequesLibre@...> Reply-To: ViequesLibre-feedback-705@... To: List Member <vivaohio@...> Subject: ANOUNCEMENTS--ANUNCIOS Date: 30 Jul 2001 03:28:09 -0000 [Bajar para espa�ol] ANOUNCEMENTS Remember to visit www.ViequesLibre.org for articles and updates. These are some of the most recent files added to the site: 1.Articles & Pictures about the referendum http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/demo/demo.htm 2.Write to Vieques� Prisoners of Conscience (updated list) http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/prisionero/prisionero.htm 3.List of Vieques� Residents Arrested for Civil Disobedience http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/prisionero/desobed_vieq.htm 4.Invite your contacts to join our e-mail list. Have them visit: http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/join.htm ================================================= ANUNCIOS Recuerde visitar www.ViequesLibre.org para art�culos y noticias. Esta es alguna de la informaci�n a�adida recientemente a la p�gina: 1. Art�culos y fotos sobre el referendum http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/demo/demo.htm 2. Escr�bele a los prisioneros de conciencia (lista actualizada) http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/prisionero/prisionero.htm 3. Lista de los residentes de Vieques arrestados por desobediencia civil http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/prisionero/desobed_vieq.htm 4. A�ade a tus contactos a nuestra lista de correo. Invitalos a visitar: http://www.viequeslibre.addr.com/join.htm _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=11843&subid=C1F015749FFF8A83&msgnum=705 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Trevor Phillips" <tphillipsjr-1@...> To: "Aarian Pope" <aarianp@...>, <burnardwhite@...>, <brandisap225@...> Subject: Fw: Black NIA Force Meeting Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:53:26 -0400 !!!PLEASE FORWARD!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Williams To: Trevor Phillips Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Black NIA Force Meeting Black NIA Force Indulge your mind in an evening of discussion and dialogue with Bernard White, former co-host of Wake Up Call (99.5 WBAI), as he talks about The Privatization of Public Radio. Join in the enlightenment as Bernard outlines and probes the trouble at his former place of employment WBAI. The experience will be both unique and fulfilling. August 3, 2001 @8pm 808 South 10th St. Newark, NJ 07108 For More Information Call 877.713.7313 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: "ViequesLibre" <ViequesLibre@...> Reply-To: ViequesLibre-feedback-704@... To: List Member <vivaohio@...> Subject: Vieques Vote to Get the Navy Out--Vieques Vota para Botar la Marina Date: 29 Jul 2001 23:37:54 -0000 Vieques Libre - http://www.viequeslibre.org [Bajar para espa�ol] Vieques Vote to Get the Navy Out Sunday, July 29, 2001 viequeslibre.org With a participation of the 80.5% of the electorate, the Vieques� Anti-Navy Movement won the referendum with an overwhelming majority. 68% of the electorate voted for option 2, which called for the �Immediate and permanent termination of the military exercises and bombings of the Navy in Vieques. Withdrawal of the Navy from Vieques and cleaning and return of viequense lands to its citizens.� From the early evening hours, people started to conglomerate in the Town Square to celebrate their victory. Various grassroots leaders have stated that today�s victory will help to further legitimate their historical claims. An official act of the Vieques� local government will take place tomorrow, Monday, July 30, in which an eviction notice will be handed out by the Vieques� major to the military personnel at Camp Garc�a. In face of the resumption of the bombing planned by the Navy for August 1st, leaders have vowed to once again engage in Civil Disobedience in case that the Navy refuse to accept the democratic will of the people. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010729/wl/vieques_vote_7.html Sunday July 29 6:09 PM ET Vieques Residents Vote to End Bombing By MICHELLE FAUL, Associated Press Writer VIEQUES, Puerto Rico (AP) - Residents of Vieques voted overwhelmingly Sunday for the U.S. Navy to immediately stop bombing on this Puerto Rican island. The referendum is nonbinding, but the Puerto Rican government hopes it will influence Washington. Sixty-eight percent of voters supported an end to the bombing and the Navy's withdrawal from the island that is home to its prized Atlantic range. About 30 percent voted for the Navy to stay and resume using live munitions, according to the electoral commission. President Bush's plan to pull the Navy out of Vieques in 2003 and allow training with inert bombs to continue in the interim mustered less than 2 percent - 81 votes. Islanders celebrated what they called ``a victory for peace in Vieques'' with whoops of joy, blaring car horns, and the waving of Puerto Rican and Vieques flags. Puerto Rico Gov. Sila M. Calderon has said the results have no legal standing but do carry ``moral force'' that she hopes will influence the U.S. government. But after the results were announced, the Navy said it would continue its training, due to resume on Vieques on Wednesday, and keep looking for an alternative for when it leaves the island in 2003. ``The outcome of this referendum, organized by Gov. Sila Calderon, will have no impact on the Navy or our focus,'' said Lt. Cmdr. Kate Mueller, a Washington-based Navy spokeswoman. Dozens of people lined up outside polling stations that opened at 8 a.m. and 75 percent of the 5,900 registered voters had cast ballots within four hours, the electoral commission said. Calderon's referendum was called to give islanders the option of asking for an immediate stop to the bombing that began six decades ago. A federal referendum scheduled for November only allows them to choose between the Bush plan and the Navy remaining indefinitely and resuming live bombing. ``From the time I was old enough to know what they were doing to my island I wanted them to leave,'' said Candido L. Felix, a carpenter, handyman and mechanic born in 1940, the year the Navy came to Vieques and appropriated two-thirds of the 18-mile-long island. Felix blamed the Navy exercises for his poverty, Vieques' undeveloped fishing and tourism industries and the resulting split in families whose young members go to the mainland to find work. ``We want peace for Vieques and that means the Navy has to go,'' said Geraldo Vegerano, a construction worker who has to commute to neighboring Culebra island to work. Decades of simmering resentment over the Navy's presence exploded in anger and protests after civilian guard David Sanes was killed in 1999 by two off-target bombs on the prized range. On Sunday, not all of the Sanes' family voted to stop the bombing. ``People are afraid to come out here,'' Maria Sanes, a cousin of the victim, told the pro-Navy rally. ``But many of them are going to vote for'' the Navy to stay, she said. The Navy says the Atlantic bombing range, which takes up one-tenth of the island on the eastern tip and is 10 miles from the biggest town, provides essential training that saves lives in combat. Efforts to find an alternative have produced proposals for a patchwork of different sites for different types of training on the mainland all with one big drawback: nobody wants bombs dropping in their backyard. Two weeks ago the Navy announced a program of compensation that would pay fishermen $100 for each day that bombing exercises prevent them working, and grants of up to $25,000 to start small businesses. Many say that's too little, too late. ``If they gave me $100,000, I wouldn't take it,'' Felix said. ``All these years they never gave us anything but problems. Now they want to give us money? It's like trying to buy us.'' Anti-Navy activists say the bombing has damaged the environment and the health of islanders who say they have higher-than-normal cancer and infant mortality rates. The Navy denies causing health problems. Supporters of the bombing warn that an anti-Navy vote could imperil relations with Washington and jeopardize $14 billion in annual federal aid. ==================================== Vieques Vota para Botar la Marina Domingo, 29 de julio de 2001 ViequesLibre.org Con la participaci�n de 80.5% del electorado, el movimiento anti-marina en Vieques gan� el refer�ndum con una mayor�a abrumadora. 68% vot� por la opci�n n�mero 2, que exige la �Terminaci�n inmediata y permanente de las pr�cticas militares y bombardeos de la Marina en Vieques. La salida de la Marina de Vieques la limpieza y devoluci�n de las tierras viequenses a sus ciudadanos.� Desde tempranas horas de la tarde, cientos de personas comenzaron a aglomerarse en la Plaza P�blica para celebrar su victoria. Varios lideres comunitarios han expresado que la victoria de hoy ayudar� a legitimar aun m�s sus reclamos hist�ricos. Un acto oficial del gobierno municipal de Vieques tomar� lugar ma�ana, Lunes 30 de julio, en el cual el alcalde le entregar� una carta de desahucio a los militares del Campamento Garc�a exigiendo la salida inmediata de la Marina. Ante los planes de reanudar los bombardeos por parte de la marina (este mi�rcoles 1ro de agosto) varios l�deres han anunciado que nuevamente incurrir�n en Desobediencia Civil si la Marina opta por obviar la voluntad democr�tica de todo un Pueblo. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Triunfa la opci�n a favor del cese de las maniobras de la Marina domingo, 29 de julio de 2001 El Nuevo D�a VIEQUES (EFE) � La mayor�a de los residentes de la isla puertorrique�a de Vieques desean que la Armada de los Estados Unidos cancele sus ejercicios militares y abandone la isla de inmediato, seg�n los resultados definitivos de un referendo celebrado este domingo. La Comisi�n Estatal de Elecciones anunci� que, una vez escrutados los resultados de los 22 colegios electorales de la isla, la opci�n "dos", que exige el cese inmediato de los entrenamientos y retirada de la milicia obtuvo 3,230 votos, lo que equivale al 68 por ciento de los sufragios v�lidos emitidos. Mientras, la opci�n "tres, que pide la continuaci�n indefinida de las maniobras militares, obtuvo 1,427 votos, equivalentes al 30 por ciento. La opci�n "uno", que propone la retirada de la Marina estadounidense de Vieques en mayo de 2003, como lo orden� el ex presidente estadounidense Bill Clinton y recientemente el presidente George W. Bush, obtuvo s�lo 81 votos, que suponen el 1.7 por ciento. La Armada utiliza la isla como campo de tiro desde hace 60 a�os, pese a la oposici�n de la mayor�a de los residentes, quienes responsabilizan a la milicia por todo tipo de contaminaci�n, y anormales �ndices de enfermedades graves, como el c�ncer, y de mortalidad infantil. Un total de 4,744 personas votaron en la consulta, de 5.893 electores inscritos, lo que equivale a una tasa de participaci�n electoral del 80.6 por ciento. Aunque esta consulta no es vinculante legalmente al gobierno de EE.UU., le precede a otra aprobada por el Congreso, que se realizar� en noviembre, y que obligar�a a la Armada a acatar su resultado, pero que no ofrece entre sus opciones una salida inmediata de la milicia de Vieques. Sin embargo, el futuro de esa consulta de noviembre parece incierto, pues tras el resultado adverso para la Armada en este referendo, algunos c�rculos pol�ticos en Washington preferir�an no permitir que los civiles decidan sobre asuntos militares. La jornada electoral transcurri� en calma, aunque bajo torrenciales lluvias y vientos producidos por una onda tropical, que ha dejado a la isla incomunicada por aire y por mar. El �nico incidente digno de resaltar se registr� a una hora del cierre de los colegios electorales, cuando el fuerte viento que sopla en la isla provoc� un apag�n en el centro de operaciones electorales, donde se hizo el recuento de los votos. El apag�n dur� tres minutos y hubo que recurrir a un generador el�ctrico, mientras brigadas de la Autoridad de Energ�a El�ctrica trabajaron en la reparaci�n de la aver�a. Aunque la jornada electoral transcurri� sin incidentes, un centenar de polic�as vigilaron desde primeras horas de la ma�ana diferentes barrios de Vieques, tras registrarse varios hechos violentos previos a la jornada electoral. Unos 75 letrados del Colegio de Abogados permanecieron toda la jornada electoral como observadores del proceso, as� como tres miembros del Partido Dem�crata estadounidense, filial de Puerto Rico. La Comisi�n Electoral de Elecciones certificar� ma�ana, lunes, los resultados finales de este referendo y se los entregar� al secretario de Estado, Ferdinand Mercado, quien a su vez se los har� llegar al presidente Bush. Vieques Libre - http://www.viequeslibre.org _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=11843&subid=FF6F6E23B25D722D&msgnum=704 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Matt, I think my feelings about Mr. Baraka and U&S are more in the line of principled opposition to their political views, their means of advocating them, and their writing style, and have not been condescending in any way. However, to the extent I have posted them on this egroup that was a mistake, as my feelings about them are not campaign business. But, I will make up for that mistake by addressing these concerns to you privately, and not on this egroup. By way of further response to your message no. 1882, I will address the issues relating to U&S and Mr. Baraka privately. With regard to my view of what is relevant to New Brunswick, let me just give some examples: I think that police brutality and control issues set forth on this egroup are relevant inasmuch as it's a key platform point and of key concern to a large segment of voters in NB who may vote for us, so the more informed we are in that area, the better it is. Getting informed on the Vieques issue, which is an area of key concern to a large segment of NB voters, is also useful. But I question whether squabbles over personalities in Mr. Baraka's run for city council in Newark is helpful or informative. I also question whether the minutiae of the conflict at WBAI are something relevant to the daily lives of the NB voters, even though it's concededly something of interest to activists. What is not relevant is debate over decisions and leadership in the former NJFO, POP, and/or U&S. All that does is to expose to public view the fact that key people in this organization, which will be asking for the votes of people from all walks of life (rich and poor, black and white, activist and apathetic), are angry people, engaged in petty squabbles over, among other things, fine points of an ideology that is alien to many of the 4000+ people who we will need to vote for us in order for us to win. I know that we do not agree on the issue of intellectual property rights. But one thing I do know is that the word "nbpeoplescampaign" appears on each and every message posted here. And I also know that the credibility of a group, staying "on-message" and presenting voters with messages that are exciting, helpful, and relevant to their town, matters in winning votes. Showing that NBPC is more than "Republi-crat" politicians is helpful, but a lot of the stuff posted by Joe and Cliff Smith is just off the deep end! And for public view, no less! Anyhow, I've rambled on for too long. Bottom line, I think the message has to be that when we are wearing our NBPC hat (including postings here), we need to ask, will it make New Brunswick voters, i.e. those who will be casting ballots on the Democracy ordinance and the 2002 mayor and council elections, support our group, in such a manner that we can win the 4000+ votes we will need in the 2002 elections. That should be the beginning and end of it. FLK --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > That's fine, Flavio- I look foward to your response. But for the record: 1. > Nobody besides Joe ever said it should be a campaign newspaper. 2. You > still have made alot of condecending and unprincipled remarks about Amiri > Baraka and about U&S on this egroup, so I think it's resonable to expect > your reasoning here as well. Otherwise, it doesn't have much credibility in > my book. > > Matt. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Groovemeister007@y... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] Re: curious about something.... > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:17:41 -0000 > > Matt, > > I'll respond to you in a day or so, but privately and not on this > egroup. As I've said, U&S isn't a campaign newspaper and its > production problems (like my problems with its contents) are not > campaign business. > > FLK > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > Flavio- I've seen you attack U&S a number of times now. Of course > one can't > > be forced to like or embrace any outlet or point of view...but I'm > curious > > as to why you're so veimently down on the newspaper. If you care > to respond > > -Matt > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an > ad > > hominem attack.... > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared or > > less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > listserve! > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would serve > > the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you sell > > to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be > learned > > from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but > they > > have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > can they really teach us? > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new brunswick > > and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there > is > > no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue > such > > only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its > line > > of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > arguements against this happening? > > > > In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and > two > > council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who > will > > be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
we should aim for no less than 8000 votes to win. 4000 votes will lose. check the last elections - city council re-runners got well over 5000 votes the school board might slide by, probably not though, and definitely not any seats for office. flavio, what do you mean "the deep end"? joe smith >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: curious about something.... >Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:56:50 -0000 > >Matt, > >I think my feelings about Mr. Baraka and U&S are more in the line of >principled opposition to their political views, their means of >advocating them, and their writing style, and have not been >condescending in any way. However, to the extent I have posted them >on this egroup that was a mistake, as my feelings about them are not >campaign business. But, I will make up for that mistake by >addressing these concerns to you privately, and not on this egroup. > >By way of further response to your message no. 1882, I will address >the issues relating to U&S and Mr. Baraka privately. With regard to >my view of what is relevant to New Brunswick, let me just give some >examples: I think that police brutality and control issues set forth >on this egroup are relevant inasmuch as it's a key platform point and >of key concern to a large segment of voters in NB who may vote for >us, so the more informed we are in that area, the better it is. >Getting informed on the Vieques issue, which is an area of key >concern to a large segment of NB voters, is also useful. But I >question whether squabbles over personalities in Mr. Baraka's run for >city council in Newark is helpful or informative. I also question >whether the minutiae of the conflict at WBAI are something relevant >to the daily lives of the NB voters, even though it's concededly >something of interest to activists. > >What is not relevant is debate over decisions and leadership in the >former NJFO, POP, and/or U&S. All that does is to expose to public >view the fact that key people in this organization, which will be >asking for the votes of people from all walks of life (rich and poor, >black and white, activist and apathetic), are angry people, engaged >in petty squabbles over, among other things, fine points of an >ideology that is alien to many of the 4000+ people who we will need >to vote for us in order for us to win. > >I know that we do not agree on the issue of intellectual property >rights. But one thing I do know is that the word "nbpeoplescampaign" >appears on each and every message posted here. And I also know that >the credibility of a group, staying "on-message" and presenting >voters with messages that are exciting, helpful, and relevant to >their town, matters in winning votes. Showing that NBPC is more >than "Republi-crat" politicians is helpful, but a lot of the stuff >posted by Joe and Cliff Smith is just off the deep end! And for >public view, no less! > >Anyhow, I've rambled on for too long. Bottom line, I think the >message has to be that when we are wearing our NBPC hat (including >postings here), we need to ask, will it make New Brunswick voters, >i.e. those who will be casting ballots on the Democracy ordinance and >the 2002 mayor and council elections, support our group, in such a >manner that we can win the 4000+ votes we will need in the 2002 >elections. That should be the beginning and end of it. > >FLK > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > > That's fine, Flavio- I look foward to your response. But for the >record: 1. > > Nobody besides Joe ever said it should be a campaign newspaper. 2. >You > > still have made alot of condecending and unprincipled remarks about >Amiri > > Baraka and about U&S on this egroup, so I think it's resonable to >expect > > your reasoning here as well. Otherwise, it doesn't have much >credibility in > > my book. > > > > Matt. > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > Subject: [nbpc] Re: curious about something.... > > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 04:17:41 -0000 > > > > Matt, > > > > I'll respond to you in a day or so, but privately and not on this > > egroup. As I've said, U&S isn't a campaign newspaper and its > > production problems (like my problems with its contents) are not > > campaign business. > > > > FLK > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >wrote: > > > Flavio- I've seen you attack U&S a number of times now. Of >course > > one can't > > > be forced to like or embrace any outlet or point of view...but >I'm > > curious > > > as to why you're so veimently down on the newspaper. If you care > > to respond > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > > Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is >an > > ad > > > hominem attack.... > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more >prepared or > > > less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > > Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > > listserve! > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would >serve > > > the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > > It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals >whose > > > ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > > understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > > unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you >sell > > > to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, >and > > > we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be > > learned > > > from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but > > they > > > have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > > Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > > organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > > office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how >much > > > can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new >brunswick > > > and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > > strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. >there > > is > > > no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue > > such > > > only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > > What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information >(i.e. > > > the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > > Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > > McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its > > line > > > of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's >your > > > arguements against this happening? > > > > > > In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > > Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and > > two > > > council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who > > will > > > be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > > struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's >about > > > winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Schundler risks GOP women over
abortion
07/30/01
BY RON MARSICO
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Bret Schundler may end up paying a price for his unambiguous
opposition to abortion: the support of moderate women in his own
Republican Party.
The GOP gubernatorial candidate so far has failed to win over key
Republican women who flourished under former Gov. Christie Whitman
and played important roles in raising money and expanding the party.
It is not for lack of trying.
"I've been reaching out to pro-choice women," Schundler said last week.
"I'm saying I believe very much in the rights of the unborn child. I believe
abortion is wrong. But I also respect the fact that you have a different set
of beliefs."
He is repeating that message on radio ads, saying that while he does not
apologize for his faith, the U.S. Supreme Court "has created a legal right
to abortion" that no governor can change.
Schundler spent hours last week with prominent GOP women who
support abortion rights. But in the end, none of those women -- including
lobbyists Hazel Gluck, Judith Shaw and Nancy Becker -- were ready to throw
him their support.
Shaw, who served as Whitman's first chief of staff, said she was "taking a
wait-and-see position" on Schundler.
"I'm hoping he can moderate some of his views from the primary. It's not
personal at all. We've worked for Bret before . . . but Republicans haven't
won (statewide) races without being more to the middle," Shaw said.
Gluck, a member of former Gov. Thomas Kean's Cabinet, said she was
particularly unhappy that Schundler had made John Tomicki, an
outspoken abortion foe, a paid consultant to the Republican State
Committee.
"It speaks volumes, frankly. It says if Bret is elected, it's going to be
the anti-choice way or no way," Gluck said. "I think it's going to make it
more difficult for him to reach out to pro-choice women."
Whitman, who now heads the federal Environmental Protection Agency,
appears to have her own doubts.
"I don't know that his positions are compatible with, on some issues, most
of New Jerseyans," who, she said, "tend to believe in a woman's right to
choose, at least in the case of rape and incest, which he does not," Whitman
told The Washington Post last week.
Other GOP abortion rights supporters who have yet to throw their support to
Schundler include Candace Straight, a major GOP contributor and fund-raiser,
and state Sens. Martha Bark (R-Burlington) and Diane Allen (R-Camden).
"I did talk to him after the (primary) election and I congratulated him on
his win," Straight said. But she answered with a "no comment" when asked if
she would help Schundler in his race against Democratic candidate Jim
McGreevey, an abortion rights supporter.
For her part, Bark said, "I think 'endorse' may be a strong word at this
time."
Polls show Schundler in trouble with women in general. The latest
Quinnipiac University Poll, taken in late June, found Schundler had a
favorability rating of just 22 percent among all registered female voters.
Eighteen percent had mixed views of him, 17 percent had unfavorable
impressions and 43 percent said they had not heard enough about him.
Overall, the poll had McGreevey leading Schundler 48 percent to 35
percent, with 14 percent undecided. Statewide polls show most state
residents support abortion rights.
But Monika McDermott, associate director of The Star-Ledger/Eagleton
Poll, said: "Traditionally, and I think this applies nationally as well as
in New Jersey, abortion doesn't tend to be a make-or-break-issue vote. When
it is -- those people tend to be pro-life."
Much, she said, depends upon how anti-abortion candidates handle the
issue. She said Republican Chuck Haytaian, who narrowly lost a 1994
U.S. Senate race, was not hurt by his opposition to abortion. But, she
noted that former Congressman Jim Courter was crushed in his 1989
gubernatorial bid when he waffled on the issue.
Even so, Ross Baker, a Rutgers University political science professor, said
he doubts Schundler's efforts to win over GOP women moderates will be
successful.
"The abortion issue is a very dark cloud that hangs over that
relationship," he said.
But Stephen Salmore, a GOP consultant and pollster, predicted the
abortion issue would be "a wash" this fall.
"I don't think that most women are so pro-choice that that will be their
only reason for voting," Salmore said.
The danger for Schundler, though, may be that moderate GOP women
like Shaw stay on the sidelines.
"Instead of putting a lot of time in the gubernatorial race, I would try to
focus on the Senate and Assembly races," said Shaw, while still hopeful of
finding some common ground with Schundler. "And I think you might find a lot
of people do that."
Ron Marsico is based in Trenton and covers state politics. He can be
reached at rmarsico@... or (609) 989-0379.
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is organizing the "Libertad para Mumia" Contingent to the August 17th Mumia Demonstration to Philadelphia-JOIN OUR CONTINGENT!! The ProLibertad bus will be leaving from 1199 (310 W43rd St. between 8th-9th Avenues Martin Luther King Jr. Labor Center) at 7am Friday morning. All brothers and sisters interested in joining our contingent please contact: Esperanza Martell at 212-927-9065; The tickets are $5 each one!! Please contact Esperanza Martell as soon as possible for your ticket. FREE MUMIA!! LIBERTAD PARA MUMIA!! FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS-FALTAN 6!!
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on folks to read this over and participate in these actions/strategies to the best of their ability!! Show your support for our brother Leonard Peltier!! FREE LEONARD PELTIER!! INTERNATIONAL SOLIDAIRTY FOR ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! ***************INSTRCUTIONS BELOW****************************************************************** >PHONE ACTION >PRESS FOR HEARINGS ON THE PELTIER CASE > >Senator Leahy, Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee: >202-224-4242 > >Dear Friends, > >We are launching a telephone campaign to urge Senator Leahy, Chair of the >Senate Judiciary Committee, to hold hearings on the treatment of Pine Ridge >residents between 1973 and 1976, and on the Peltier case in particular. >With the FBI's abusive obstruction of Peltier's clemency still fresh in our >hearts and minds, we have witnessed little if any mention of the Peltier >case during the last months of controversy and criticism regarding FBI >misconduct. Let's step up our efforts and make our voices heard. > >Please make at least one call a week and if possible, call on your region's >designated day. This will help to ensure that calls are received on a >daily >basis: > >northeast: Mondays >southeast: Tuesdays >mid-west and International: Wednesdays >northwest: Thursdays >southwest: Fridays. > >Below are talking points to use as a guide. If you can do more, now is the >time. You can organize phone banks, which cause the amount of calls going >in to increase exponentially. You can also call the two Senators of your >state and urge them to support hearings/declassification (capitol >switchboard can connect you to your senators: 202-224-3121). If you want >to >make even more calls, work on the members of the Judiciary Committee - if >any of the Senators of your state belong to the Judiciary Committee, put a >special focus on calling them (Senate Judiciary Committee members listed at >the end of this message). Keep up the letter drive, and if possible, >organize a visit with your state's senators offices. Tips on how to do all >of these things are listed after the talking points below. > >Also, you can plan a local action for Leonard Peltier's birthday on >September 12. Use your event as a public platform to call for a full >examination of the Peltier case and its surrounding circumstances, >including >the release of documents. If you are interested in having a LPDC speaker >come to your area for an event, feel free to contact us. > >Please continue to forward responses you receive from officials to our >office so we can gauge our progress. Also, let us know if you and others >you collaborate with are making the calls to Leahy so that we can keep >track >of how we are doing. > >THANK YOU for your continued support and commitement. > >In Solidarity, >LPDC > >TALKING POINTS FOR CALLS TO LEAHY > >1. I am calling in regard to the Judiciary Committee's current examination >of incidences of FBI misconduct and its efforts to create a means for >better >government oversight. > >2. In particular, I would like to bring your attention to the case of >Leonard Peltier, the imprisoned Native rights activist who Amnesty >International calls a "political prisoner" who should be "immediately and >unconditionally released." Perhaps more than any other, the case of Leonard >Peltier necessitates urgent congressional intervention. > >3. First, Mr. Peltier's case is rooted in a three-year period of violent >conflict on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, which began with the 1973 >Wounded Knee takeover and ended in 1976 as tribal chairman, Dick Wilson >left >office. During that period the FBI cooperated with the tribal chairman and >together they sought to eliminate American Indian Movement activity and >presence on the reservation. Vigilantes hired by the tribal chairman and >supported by the FBI carried out a campaign of violence against members and >supporters of AIM. Over 60 AIM members were murdered, and scores more were >assaulted. Nothing was done to stop the violence and the survivors have >received little if any closure. That period was well documented by the >U.S. >Civil Rights Commission, but remains largely unrecognized by our >government. > >5. Second, it is well documented that Mr. Peltier's conviction resulted >from the withholding of exculpatory evidence, the coercion of witnesses, >and >the utilization of falsified testimony by the FBI and U.S. Attorneys. >Since >1985 the government has conceded that it cannot prove who shot the agents. >In 1986 the Eighth Circuit Court ruled that had the FBI not improperly >withheld evidence, Mr. Peltier might have been acquitted. Yet, a new trial >was denied based on a legal technicality. The FBI withheld over 18,000 >documents from the defense at trial, and continues to withhold over 6,000 >today. Yet, nothing has been done to correct the improprieties and Mr. >Peltier has languished over 25 years in prison despite the total lack of >evidence against him. > >6. Third, the FBI has consistently and aggressively obstructed Mr. >Peltier' >s remaining avenues for redress. As you may know, President Clinton >announced that he was considering Mr. Peltier for a grant of executive >clemency late last year. The FBI responded with an intensive lobby and >media campaign to prevent a positive decision from occurring. The >statements disseminated throughout the FBI's campaign were false, >intentionally misleading, and absent of highly relevant information. The >FBI has utilized similar tactics in blocking Mr. Peltier's release through >parole, for which he is long overdue. Clearly the killing of the two >agents >represents a great tragedy, but official vengeance can never be allowed to >replace the due process of the law. > >7. Given all of this, we want to urge the Judiciary Committee to hold full >hearings on the treatment of residents on the Pine Ridge Reservation >between >1973 and 1976, and on the Peltier case in particular. We also want to urge >the judiciary committee to declassify the 6,000 FBI documents that remain >concealed. Amnesty International, Rev. Jesse Jackson, the U.N. High >Commissioner on Human Rights, the National Congress of American Indians, >Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Eighth Circuit Court Judge-Gerald Heaney, and the >Kennedy Memorial Center for Human Rights are only a few who have recognized >the troubling nature of the Peltier case and have voiced support for >resolution. > >8. We are encouraged by the Judiciary Committee's commitment to seek >better >oversight of the FBI and to prevent mishaps and abuses from reoccurring. >Certainly, recent revelations of misconduct give way to the need for >reform. >However, true reform will be difficult to achieve if the situation of >Leonard Peltier continues without governmental scrutiny and resolution. > >9. Taking an honest and open look at the Peltier case and the era in which >it is rooted, will help bring closure to a matter that has long served as a >source of distrust and anguish for so many Native Peoples and non-Native >citizens. Perhaps most importantly, airing the truth could lead to the >prevention of future abuses, and promote a more just and equitable society. > > > > >HELP BUILD SUPPORT FOR LEONARD PELTIER IN CONGRESS >Here are some tips: > >1. ORGANIZATION OF PHONE BANKS >In order to intensify pressure on Congress to support parole, >investigations, and the declassification of documents, we need to develop a >sustainable, ongoing campaign on local levels, so that each Representative >and Senator will feel the pressure from their constituents in concert with >LPDC lobbying in Washington D.C. > >One effective way to do this is by developing localized phone banks. Phone >banks are not difficult to organize and they often render positive results. >During Congressional Outreach Week, initiate a phone bank in your area by >asking your friends, family, and community members to commit to making >weekly calls. Choose a designated phone call day that best suits your group >(a Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday is best for reaching Congressional >staff). Make sure every participant has a copy of the updated LPDC >Statement of Fact which can be found on our web site, the "Telephone Calls >to Congress" instructional sheet, which is enclosed, and the contact >information for your two Senators and your district's Representative. Call >or e-mail everyone in your group weekly to both remind them to make the >calls and to monitor responses received from your representatives. Please >let us know how the calls are going. > >If your Senator or Representative indicates that he or she has received the >FBI's propaganda, forward the "Ethics Complaint" which refutes FBI >misinformation, to them. The Ethics Complaint can be found on our web site >under "case reference materials." > >The weekly calls should be directed to your two Senators and to the House >Representative of your district. (Telephone calls are less easy to ignore >and more effective than e-mails to officials.) > >2. LETTER DRIVE >We would like to generate thousands of letters to Congress through an >ongoing letter drive. A sample letter to Congress is enclosed. You can >format three letters, one addressed to each of your two Senators and one to >your Representative, and make several copies of each for distribution. >Again, ask your family, friends, and community members to sign their name >and address to the letters (one letter per person) and collect as many as >possible to send in all at once. If some people can take the time to hand >write and personalize their letters, that's even better. Please let us >know >about how many you collect and send in so that we can evaluate our >progress. > >3. VISITS TO DISTRICT OFFICES >Another effective way to garner support from our Senators and >Representatives, is to visit them in person in your local district office. >You may not be able to see your Senators or Representative in person, but >you will be able to meet with an aid. An in-person visit from constituents >shows your Senator or Representative that this issue is of great importance >to his or her voters or potential voters. Here are some pointers: > >1. Be specific. Make sure that what you want the official to do is clear. >2. Be prepared. Study the LPDC Statement of Fact and the Ethics Complaint >before you attend the visit so that you will be comfortable if you are >asked >specific questions. >3. Give the aid a copy of the LPDC Statement of Fact, the Ethics Complaint, >and support letters from respected organizations and luminaries (these can >be downloaded from our site). >4. If you do not know an answer to a question, direct the question to the >LPDC, or tell your official you will look into it and get back to him or >her. >5. Dress neatly. >6. If you are in contact with local, influential groups and people such as >Amnesty International, Church leaders, Native leaders, etc., invite them to >attend the meeting. >7. Follow your meeting up by calling the aid you met with to find out the >status of your request and to reiterate your position. > > >Senate Judiciary Committee Members: > >Democrats >Patrick Leahy, VT Chairman >Edward Kennedy, MA >Joseph Biden, DE >Herb Kohl, WI >Dianne Feinstein, CA >Russell Feingold, WI >Charles Schumer, NY >Richard Durbin, IL >Maria Cantwell, WA >John Edwards, NC > >Republicans >Orrin Hatch, UT Ranking Member >Strom Thurmond, SC >Chuck Grassley, IA >Arlen Specter, PA >Jon Kyl, AZ >Mike DeWine, OH >Jeff Sessions, AL >Sam Brownback, KS >Mitch McConnell, KY > > >Leonard Peltier Defense Committee >PO Box 583 >Lawrence, KS 66044 >785-842-5774 >www.freepeltier.org >To subscribe, send a blank message to < lpdc-on@... > >To unsubscribe, send a blank message to < lpdc-off@... > >To change your email address, send a message to < lpdc-change@... > > with your old address in the Subject line _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
I always love this one....pin the tail on the donkey. If I ate pork rinds last week, I would fess up to that. If I stepped on somebody's pet ants, I might explain that. if i hurt a small dog by accident, I would be sad. if i vote against the double edged SWORD, it's because I know they can't conduct themselves in a reasonable fashion. if you're wondering what I'm talking about, refer to joes response to amiri's criticism of his work on ras's campaign. Paul --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jagross66@h... wrote: > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > When you say, "explain yourself", it seems as though you are > demanding a confession of sin, of inner fallenness. A confession is > not an argument. > > I will, however, provide arguments as to why I _would have_ voted > against your clique's aims. (I was, unfortunately, unable to attend > the meeting). In short, I would not have voted against your clique's > readmittance to the organization. I would have voted against so much > as bringing it up for a vote. > > In short, it is my understanding that, on several bases, the vote was > not legitimate. It was not really a democratic vote at all. The > most obvious objection is that it wasn't even on the agenda; the > standard practice is that such things are proposed at a meeting > during the first month, and then placed on the agenda for a vote > during the following month. > > Do you object to the norm of _open participation_ as a central > element of democracy? Unless you do, you must agree with me. > > The use of agendas and preliminary votes, as described above, exist > in part so that people may be forewarned as to what is up for a vote > during the following meeting. That way, if someone is out of town, > etc, they can vote by absentee means. This was formally, > democratically adopted by the Campaign. However, certain rules are > so central to basic democratic norms that they stand whether or not > they were codified into law. The fact that they were adopted as > written rules only bolsters my claims. > > Do you also propose that individuals have their 'voting rights' in an > organization stifled? > > I can provide several more arguments, but I'll let this one stand as > pretty much sufficient. If you have a counter-argument, present it. > I don't want to hear 1) childish nicknames like 'Waron Curtis', 2) a > stream of slogans, 3) watery rhetoric about 'the people' or 'the > community'. You are not 'the community' nor 'the people' any more > than Donald DiFrancesco _is_ 'the people of New Jersey' in one > person. > > PS -- > > Your organization is just as susceptible to the 'arrogance of power' > as any other, so stop 'playing victim'. Actually, since you seem to > reject the norm(s) of legality, it is more susceptible. > > PPS -- > > These are not 'my arguments'. These are standard arguments that any > reasonable person with a basic commitment to liberal democratic norms > would make. It is only 'my' presentation of standard arguments. So > please address the arguments, and not me. > > Yours, > > Jeremy > > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > no vote 8 > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against > SWORD because > > you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in > the NBPC > > must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see > each other > > sooner. > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > joe smith > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an > ad > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared > or > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > >listserve! > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would > serve > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you > sell > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be > learned > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but > they > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new > brunswick > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there > is > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue > such > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its > line > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and > two > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who > will > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: Joe, Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of the public' into the message ... When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following is a cursory list, but it covers most of the bases : 1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate, and guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the piece Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist- Leninist would agree to some extent). 2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously adopted by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much reservation and extensive deliberation. 3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the organization officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not by their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology. The flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's arguments _entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that religion or ideology. 4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique that can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under which a democratic vote can exist. 5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries include the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of the 'will of the public' (see #2). An additional note of commentary: a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of anything that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense, including a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they are not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform-minded organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected' city council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is undemocratic. b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves to attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'. Not everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references, through references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon, through the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most people can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal politics. I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will presume the conversation to be over. Yours, Jeremy
i thought we were discussing the agenda? >From: jagross66@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re:Revolutionaries SI! Republicans NO!! >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:08:20 -0000 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > >Joe, > >Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general >principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of the >public' into the message ... > >When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean >something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of >values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely >referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following is a >cursory list, but it covers most of the bases : > >1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate, and >guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the piece >Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist- >Leninist would agree to some extent). > >2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A >course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously adopted >by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much reservation >and extensive deliberation. > >3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the organization >officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not by >their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology. The >flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's arguments >_entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that religion or >ideology. > >4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique that >can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and >undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under which a >democratic vote can exist. > >5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is >meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries include >the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of the 'will >of the public' (see #2). > >An additional note of commentary: > >a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of anything >that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense, including >a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they are >not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform-minded >organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to >argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected' city >council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is >undemocratic. > >b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves to >attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'. Not >everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references, through >references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon, through >the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most people >can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal >politics. > >I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want >elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a >certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will presume the >conversation to be over. > >Yours, > >Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
why don't you show up and do work before you jump on bandwagons? Ras Baraka for Newark City Council May 2002 saturday 9:45 & sunday 1:45 808 S. tenth street newark nj meetings tuesday @7:00 same location >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] HE HEE >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:33:45 -0000 > >I always love this one....pin the tail on the donkey. If I ate pork >rinds last week, I would fess up to that. If I stepped on somebody's >pet ants, I might explain that. if i hurt a small dog by accident, I >would be sad. if i vote against the double edged SWORD, it's because >I know they can't conduct themselves in a reasonable fashion. if >you're wondering what I'm talking about, refer to joes response to >amiri's criticism of his work on ras's campaign. > >Paul > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jagross66@h... wrote: > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > When you say, "explain yourself", it seems as though you are > > demanding a confession of sin, of inner fallenness. A confession is > > not an argument. > > > > I will, however, provide arguments as to why I _would have_ voted > > against your clique's aims. (I was, unfortunately, unable to attend > > the meeting). In short, I would not have voted against your clique's > > readmittance to the organization. I would have voted against so much > > as bringing it up for a vote. > > > > In short, it is my understanding that, on several bases, the vote was > > not legitimate. It was not really a democratic vote at all. The > > most obvious objection is that it wasn't even on the agenda; the > > standard practice is that such things are proposed at a meeting > > during the first month, and then placed on the agenda for a vote > > during the following month. > > > > Do you object to the norm of _open participation_ as a central > > element of democracy? Unless you do, you must agree with me. > > > > The use of agendas and preliminary votes, as described above, exist > > in part so that people may be forewarned as to what is up for a vote > > during the following meeting. That way, if someone is out of town, > > etc, they can vote by absentee means. This was formally, > > democratically adopted by the Campaign. However, certain rules are > > so central to basic democratic norms that they stand whether or not > > they were codified into law. The fact that they were adopted as > > written rules only bolsters my claims. > > > > Do you also propose that individuals have their 'voting rights' in an > > organization stifled? > > > > I can provide several more arguments, but I'll let this one stand as > > pretty much sufficient. If you have a counter-argument, present it. > > I don't want to hear 1) childish nicknames like 'Waron Curtis', 2) a > > stream of slogans, 3) watery rhetoric about 'the people' or 'the > > community'. You are not 'the community' nor 'the people' any more > > than Donald DiFrancesco _is_ 'the people of New Jersey' in one > > person. > > > > PS -- > > > > Your organization is just as susceptible to the 'arrogance of power' > > as any other, so stop 'playing victim'. Actually, since you seem to > > reject the norm(s) of legality, it is more susceptible. > > > > PPS -- > > > > These are not 'my arguments'. These are standard arguments that any > > reasonable person with a basic commitment to liberal democratic norms > > would make. It is only 'my' presentation of standard arguments. So > > please address the arguments, and not me. > > > > Yours, > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > > no vote 8 > > > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against > > SWORD because > > > you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in > > the NBPC > > > must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see > > each other > > > sooner. > > > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > > > joe smith > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an > > ad > > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared > > or > > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > > >listserve! > > > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would > > serve > > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you > > sell > > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be > > learned > > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but > > they > > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new > > brunswick > > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there > > is > > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue > > such > > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its > > line > > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and > > two > > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who > > will > > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
joe, you wrote f___ you and other things to amiri when he called your work anarchic. I saw your words and I've seen your work. i distance myself from both. cheers. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > why don't you show up and do work before you jump on bandwagons? > > Ras Baraka for Newark City Council May 2002 > saturday 9:45 & sunday 1:45 > 808 S. tenth street > newark nj > > meetings tuesday @7:00 same location > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] HE HEE > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:33:45 -0000 > > > >I always love this one....pin the tail on the donkey. If I ate pork > >rinds last week, I would fess up to that. If I stepped on somebody's > >pet ants, I might explain that. if i hurt a small dog by accident, I > >would be sad. if i vote against the double edged SWORD, it's because > >I know they can't conduct themselves in a reasonable fashion. if > >you're wondering what I'm talking about, refer to joes response to > >amiri's criticism of his work on ras's campaign. > > > >Paul > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jagross66@h... wrote: > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > > > When you say, "explain yourself", it seems as though you are > > > demanding a confession of sin, of inner fallenness. A confession is > > > not an argument. > > > > > > I will, however, provide arguments as to why I _would have_ voted > > > against your clique's aims. (I was, unfortunately, unable to attend > > > the meeting). In short, I would not have voted against your clique's > > > readmittance to the organization. I would have voted against so much > > > as bringing it up for a vote. > > > > > > In short, it is my understanding that, on several bases, the vote was > > > not legitimate. It was not really a democratic vote at all. The > > > most obvious objection is that it wasn't even on the agenda; the > > > standard practice is that such things are proposed at a meeting > > > during the first month, and then placed on the agenda for a vote > > > during the following month. > > > > > > Do you object to the norm of _open participation_ as a central > > > element of democracy? Unless you do, you must agree with me. > > > > > > The use of agendas and preliminary votes, as described above, exist > > > in part so that people may be forewarned as to what is up for a vote > > > during the following meeting. That way, if someone is out of town, > > > etc, they can vote by absentee means. This was formally, > > > democratically adopted by the Campaign. However, certain rules are > > > so central to basic democratic norms that they stand whether or not > > > they were codified into law. The fact that they were adopted as > > > written rules only bolsters my claims. > > > > > > Do you also propose that individuals have their 'voting rights' in an > > > organization stifled? > > > > > > I can provide several more arguments, but I'll let this one stand as > > > pretty much sufficient. If you have a counter-argument, present it. > > > I don't want to hear 1) childish nicknames like 'Waron Curtis', 2) a > > > stream of slogans, 3) watery rhetoric about 'the people' or 'the > > > community'. You are not 'the community' nor 'the people' any more > > > than Donald DiFrancesco _is_ 'the people of New Jersey' in one > > > person. > > > > > > PS -- > > > > > > Your organization is just as susceptible to the 'arrogance of power' > > > as any other, so stop 'playing victim'. Actually, since you seem to > > > reject the norm(s) of legality, it is more susceptible. > > > > > > PPS -- > > > > > > These are not 'my arguments'. These are standard arguments that any > > > reasonable person with a basic commitment to liberal democratic norms > > > would make. It is only 'my' presentation of standard arguments. So > > > please address the arguments, and not me. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > > > no vote 8 > > > > > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against > > > SWORD because > > > > you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD being in > > > the NBPC > > > > must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see > > > each other > > > > sooner. > > > > > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > > > > > joe smith > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point is an > > > ad > > > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared > > > or > > > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > > > >listserve! > > > > > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would > > > serve > > > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals whose > > > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you > > > sell > > > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be surprised, and > > > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be > > > learned > > > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but > > > they > > > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how much > > > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new > > > brunswick > > > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. there > > > is > > > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue > > > such > > > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information (i.e. > > > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its > > > line > > > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, where's your > > > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and > > > two > > > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who > > > will > > > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's about > > > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
(I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, NJFO history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that "For a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing some great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, Questions? ask X) Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 sales@... FaBW joins Highland Park residents in fight against fascists Following a string of violent racist attacks in Highland Park, NJ, FaBW joined with residents to demand an investigation into local government�s complicity with the fascists. FaBW also answered a call for unity in opposition to fascism issued by the Highland Park People�s Campaign (HPPC). The fascist threat became most apparent after an attack by several weapon wielding neo-nazis on African-American youth on a main thoroughfare. It was remarked that within days, both FaBW and the HPPC, through separate sources, knew the identities of the attackers and their hangouts. This points out the fact that the individuals were well known as racists. Yet it took the Highland Park Police Department over a week to release any identities and investigate the matter. What was released was a shocking display of racial inequalities, even by US standards. Two neo-nazis involved in the attack were Lloyd Young Jr. and Walter Pawlikowski � son and nephew of Highland Park Dept of Public Works Superintendent Lloyd Young Senior. The two were charged with misdemeanors, and sentenced to community service � of which the elder Young is overseer. Meanwhile, the youths that were the victims of this assault were charged with vandalism and allegedly told to stay off the street where the nazis live. Furthermore, despite the fact that the attackers were adorned heavily with swastika tattoos and were heard to shout death threats and racial epithets, the Highland Park PD announced there was no racial basis to the attack. According to former schoolmates of his son, the elder Lloyd was well known as a racist himself, and sported a tattoo proclaiming �white power� on his inner left forearm (FaBW has recently learned that Mr. Young has followed Walter�s example and covered up his tattoo). When FaBW supporters, backed by working class youth from nearby Edison NJ, confronted Lloyd Young Jr. and some of his friends, he denied any current involvement, but admitted his father�s racism and �white power� tattoo. If, as they allege, Lloyd Young Jr. and Walter Pawlikowski are no longer involved in fascist activities, we would encourage them to step forth and publicly denounce the fascist movement. Most disturbing however, has been the attempted cover up of the whole affair. After activists spent weeks interviewing witnesses and compiling information, it became apparent that this was part of long-standing problem, which was consistently covered up and ignored until it exploded into these attacks. Gunshots, swastikas painted on the ground, racial harassment � a dossier spanning several years of incidents in and around the Young residence has been compiled. In almost every case, town officials quietly placated the victims and swept the incident under the bureaucratic rug by insuring no report was ever filed. Even so, they couldn�t hide it all. Mr. Young�s alleged claim to have had every minority driven off the DPW is quite believable, since there are no minority DPW workers. Indeed, many DPW workers at the Memorial Day Parade were seen to have Confederate flag tattoos (in fact, one incident that didn�t get covered up was the displaying of a confederate flag on DPW vehicles). At a recent city council meeting, HP Mayor Meryl Frank attempted to continue the cover-up by dodging any questions on the fascist activity. Instead, she sought to distract the masses by attempting to discredit anti-fascist residents and activists. To this end she brought up many from the bourgeois �anti racist� movement to denounce FaBW and the HPPC. Of particular note, was one �Shai� Goldstein from the Anti-Defamation League, who launched immediately into a vituperative attack on anti-fascist activists and attempted to blatantly control the direction of the meeting. After a resident protested, he left. The Anti-Defamation League is the epitome of bourgeois antiracism. When racial tensions break open, they move in and collect donations to further their �antiracist cause�. They do nothing on a ground level to confront racists, choosing instead to allay middle-class fears by emptying their pocketbooks and issuing periodic reports whenever they want more donations. Furthermore, they are known to work with the state to prosecute antiracist activists (as in recent incidents with Anti-Racist Action). An interesting exchange occurred when Mr. Goldstein, speaking to a member of the HPPC, exclaimed �I don�t think fighting fascism is on your agenda!� to which an FaBW supporter (and former ADL informant) replied �I worked for the ADL, and I KNOW fighting fascism isn�t on YOUR agenda!� When questioned later, the FaBW supporter noted that after supplying information on fascists, the ADL began to question him on various Communists and progressives. The supporter went on to say �That�s when I cut ties with them. I later learned that some of their operatives in California were arrested for illegally obtaining information on, and illegally monitoring many anti-war, progressive, and Leftist groups, as well as fascist organizations. They had a whole spy apparatus within the police departments reporting back to the ADL.� FaBW will continue to support the residents of Highland Park in their demand for a full inquiry into not only the racist attacks, but into the town�s hiring practices as well. The next public meeting will be on August 2nd at 7pm @ the Highland Park Public Library. Demand a full investigation into and disclosure of fascist activities! Demand the resignation of Lloyd Young Sr.! Demand a civilian police control board! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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From: Amirib@...
To: can_bush@...
CC: vivaohio@..., jmodibo@..., keithjoseph99@...
Subject: Re: [njfo] Block on Locke
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:50:31 EDT
(I can criticize myself, as always, for not knowing more, not doing more
to know. I can make continued Self Criticism for not being Better Organized,
for U&S often suffering from the liberalism of inconsistent use of time and
resources &
But frenzied accusations seeking to justify oneself? disqualify
others? are another form of Liberalism and trot like splitism. Make
criticism, certainly, but make some self criticism, if
possible, and give concrete suggestions as to what should be done.
If you want to make this an open polemic with those you accuse
answering, I am not opposed to that, but please first try to Sum It All Up
and determine the Line of your Principal Criticism, and what you think
should be done. Accusations should take the form of Constructive Criticism
unless you are making charges of Willful Collusion with Imperialism!
Also what could you, Joe, Cliff, who? have done, if anything?,
to bring all this more quickly to a head. I know, during what I believe is
the period you are speaking, at no time was any of this brought to my or M's
attention here, by you or anyone else.
When I saw C, around that time at RU, just after I was told, he
was expelled from U&S (for striking women, was the report). We had an
exchange about his continuing to distribute U&S, intensified by my
opposition to his, at the same time, distributing literature supporting
McVeigh. I was told, as well, that C had then taken to "Organizing Skin
Heads!"
At any rate, let us bring all this up in summary, and sort it
out, as to criticism and self criticism, and what is the main errors, who
the principal responsibilities for these fall and what is to be done. To
continue this whining and carping without indication of a constructive Next
step, is the calisthenics of the crippled.)
>When I saw C, around that time at RU, just after I was told, he was
> >expelled from U&S (for striking >women, was the report). We had an
> >exchange about his continuing to distribute U&S, intensified by my
> >opposition to his, at the same time, distributing literature >supporting
>McVeigh. I was told, as well, that C >had then taken to >"Organizing Skin
>Heads!"
some story. speak of "frenzied accusations seeking to justify oneself".
we had no discussion of my distributing U&S. i was told by keith that i was
denied u&s for distribution, on yr decision.
at what "same time" was I "distributing literature supporting mcveigh"? if
you are referring to the literature i was distributing at the poetry forum,
while you were all in my grill, close enough to recognize it, you shd know
that it was u&s. after i was, like you say, "expelled", with yr admitted
knowledge. which position you maintain today. speak of "disqualify
others", "liberal" "trot like splitism".
what "skinheads" i was organizing? dont cop out now, mouth. wheres yr
"reporters"?
what im sposed to bring to "yr attention"? you knew i was put out. when did
you seek me for dialectic opposite side of story? no- only to get loud w/me
as i push yr paper. where was(are) yr people to push it? "what more" i
cdve done? lemme find out. or stop insinuating.
yr "self criticism" ("i shd know more") is a joke. let us all make self
criticism for not "knowing more &tc." so that criticism loses all specific
meaning. what you shd explain is how you end up w/no paper & edit board of
republicans, & united front against working class revolutionaries-which you
maintain. explain yr continued (anti-marxist) denial of womens sexual &
primary oppression. my abuses of women (no secret, long criticized-by
sisterhood&struggle!-and self criticized) acted out the same backward denial
of women's sexual oppression & defense of patriarchal family which u&s
claims to be revolutionary. you get no points for bringing this up.
more "frenzied trot accusations": joe registered more people to vote ras so
far than everyone put together. & you come at him w/
"anarchist!whitechauvanist!" (speak of "constructive criticism"),
"whining&carping" that he (correctly) replies "fuckyou". that this shows
"no respect" (for slander). that you got "icepicks". think we dont? its
however you want it.
yr paper is not about "uniting revolutionaries". its a anti-worker
anti-women pettybourgeois sectarian self-affirming clique (trend!).
iamswhoiams &the bobbleheads.
you now ask for a 300 word submission. i submitted an article on the
peoples campaign 3 issues ago & have yet to see it. you can print that. or
this.
cliff smith. what?
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True enough, it's a constant struggle not to get overly cynical of certain people's intentions, esp. when they have a tendancy to muck up the waters then split when things get hot. But I accept the point. Unity-Criticism-Unity... -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [njfo] FABW slithers back to town! Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 06:17:01 -0500 He mentioned Highland Park People's Campaign I think we should be supportive when they do something positive and critical when its negative I think that this is overall positive Matthew Smith wrote: > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, NJFO > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that "For > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing some > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > Questions? ask X) > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > sales@... > > FaBW joins Highland Park residents in fight against fascists > > Following a string of violent racist attacks in Highland Park, NJ, FaBW > joined with residents to demand an investigation into local government�s > complicity with the fascists. FaBW also answered a call for unity in > opposition to fascism issued by the Highland Park People�s Campaign (HPPC). > The fascist threat became most apparent after an attack by several weapon > wielding neo-nazis on African-American youth on a main thoroughfare. It was > remarked that within days, both FaBW and the HPPC, through separate sources, > knew the identities of the attackers and their hangouts. This points out the > fact that the individuals were well known as racists. Yet it took the > Highland Park Police Department over a week to release any identities and > investigate the matter. What was released was a shocking display of racial > inequalities, even by US standards. > Two neo-nazis involved in the attack were Lloyd Young Jr. and Walter > Pawlikowski � son and nephew of Highland Park Dept of Public Works > Superintendent Lloyd Young Senior. The two were charged with misdemeanors, > and sentenced to community service � of which the elder Young is overseer. > Meanwhile, the youths that were the victims of this assault were charged > with vandalism and allegedly told to stay off the street where the nazis > live. Furthermore, despite the fact that the attackers were adorned heavily > with swastika tattoos and were heard to shout death threats and racial > epithets, the Highland Park PD announced there was no racial basis to the > attack. > According to former schoolmates of his son, the elder Lloyd was well known > as a racist himself, and sported a tattoo proclaiming �white power� on his > inner left forearm (FaBW has recently learned that Mr. Young has followed > Walter�s example and covered up his tattoo). When FaBW supporters, backed by > working class youth from nearby Edison NJ, confronted Lloyd Young Jr. and > some of his friends, he denied any current involvement, but admitted his > father�s racism and �white power� tattoo. If, as they allege, Lloyd Young > Jr. and Walter Pawlikowski are no longer involved in fascist activities, we > would encourage them to step forth and publicly denounce the fascist > movement. > Most disturbing however, has been the attempted cover up of the whole > affair. After activists spent weeks interviewing witnesses and compiling > information, it became apparent that this was part of long-standing problem, > which was consistently covered up and ignored until it exploded into these > attacks. Gunshots, swastikas painted on the ground, racial harassment � a > dossier spanning several years of incidents in and around the Young > residence has been compiled. In almost every case, town officials quietly > placated the victims and swept the incident under the bureaucratic rug by > insuring no report was ever filed. Even so, they couldn�t hide it all. Mr. > Young�s alleged claim to have had every minority driven off the DPW is quite > believable, since there are no minority DPW workers. Indeed, many DPW > workers at the Memorial Day Parade were seen to have Confederate flag > tattoos (in fact, one incident that didn�t get covered up was the displaying > of a confederate flag on DPW vehicles). > At a recent city council meeting, HP Mayor Meryl Frank attempted to continue > the cover-up by dodging any questions on the fascist activity. Instead, she > sought to distract the masses by attempting to discredit anti-fascist > residents and activists. To this end she brought up many from the bourgeois > �anti racist� movement to denounce FaBW and the HPPC. Of particular note, > was one �Shai� Goldstein from the Anti-Defamation League, who launched > immediately into a vituperative attack on anti-fascist activists and > attempted to blatantly control the direction of the meeting. After a > resident protested, he left. > The Anti-Defamation League is the epitome of bourgeois antiracism. When > racial tensions break open, they move in and collect donations to further > their �antiracist cause�. They do nothing on a ground level to confront > racists, choosing instead to allay middle-class fears by emptying their > pocketbooks and issuing periodic reports whenever they want more donations. > Furthermore, they are known to work with the state to prosecute antiracist > activists (as in recent incidents with Anti-Racist Action). An interesting > exchange occurred when Mr. Goldstein, speaking to a member of the HPPC, > exclaimed �I don�t think fighting fascism is on your agenda!� to which an > FaBW supporter (and former ADL informant) replied �I worked for the ADL, and > I KNOW fighting fascism isn�t on YOUR agenda!� When questioned later, the > FaBW supporter noted that after supplying information on fascists, the ADL > began to question him on various Communists and progressives. The supporter > went on to say �That�s when I cut ties with them. I later learned that some > of their operatives in California were arrested for illegally obtaining > information on, and illegally monitoring many anti-war, progressive, and > Leftist groups, as well as fascist organizations. They had a whole spy > apparatus within the police departments reporting back to the ADL.� > FaBW will continue to support the residents of Highland Park in their demand > for a full inquiry into not only the racist attacks, but into the town�s > hiring practices as well. > The next public meeting will be on August 2nd at 7pm @ the Highland Park > Public Library. > Demand a full investigation into and disclosure of fascist activities! > Demand the resignation of Lloyd Young Sr.! > Demand a civilian police control board! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such drivel? Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of this message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd almost take seriously. Almost. Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real fucking smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is nothing short of Fascist. If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably turned red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if he were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, young man!" Xavier, you're grounded. Matt > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, NJFO > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that "For > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing some > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > Questions? ask X) > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > sales@... >
What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did you know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt <ml@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such drivel? Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of this message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd almost take seriously. Almost. Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real fucking smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is nothing short of Fascist. If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably turned red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if he were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, young man!" Xavier, you're grounded. Matt > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, NJFO > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that "For > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing some > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > Questions? ask X) > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > sales@... > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
"Manufacturing" consent!?!?! Now that's nonsense. How the Campaign decides on things is not complicated. You make a proposal ... in writing and in advance is the desirable way, so people can discuss and think about it if possible. You get it on the agenda. It gets discussed in the business meeting and voted on, up, down, or with amendments. Nothing precludes other meetings / discussion circles / whatever from being formed to formulate ideas, attack proposals, etc. As an example: the proposal that the Campaign's focus be electoral wins, approved at the June meeting. It was written up, posted on the egroup, discussed at the meeting, and approved. Anyone who felt that the Campaign's goals ought to be something other than electoral wins, was free to vote down the proposal. A majority felt otherwise. Nothing manufactured there. Nor, strictly speaking, was anything "manufactured" by the admittedly disappointing vote to readmit SWORD. (reserving judgment on the qualifications of some voters for the time being). Mass participation in our meetings is expressly provided for in our procedures. That SWORD's faction won can be more attributed to community members' failure to attend our meetings, not a lack of democratic procedure within the Campaign. Also, FYI, to my knowledge, the People's Campaign Center plan has not been repealed. To the contrary, I think that most people recognize that an organization like ours, whose goals are to win two defined electoral campaigns, needs a physical headquarters. Thus, just like the opposition to Schundler is a MEANS of accomplishing our GOAL of electoral wins, so too is the People's Campaign Center a MEANS of accomplishing those GOALS. That some of the people who were leading the People's Campaign Center committee have not followed through on their assigned tasks is unfortunate as well but I do not equate that with abandonment of the proposal. One last comment: I do not belittle the need to study theory and history. I would like to hear some theoretical and historical analysis of how we clean the machine's clock in 2001 and 2002, not the value of Bettleheim. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > Jeremy, > One of the reason that I posted the piece you mentioned was that I think that the > campaign has a tendency towards "manufacturing consent" rather than participatory > democracy. Though I wouldn't advocate it for the campaign the ideal of democractic > centralism is that thorough going discussion proceeds decisions and are followed by > unity of action even by dissenters who are not only allowed but encouraged to continue > to raise their dissent in the future. This is ideal for a revolutionary organziation > because it allows unity of action in bloc. But as I said democratic centralism is not > appropriate for the campaign. > > Anyway as to this debate, I don't think that the vote last saturday was a perfect > expression of the public will or even democratic principles, however it was a perfect > expression of the form of democrcay that has come to dominate in the People's > Campaign. If one of the results of that decision is a more serious consideration of > what it means to function democratically I would be very happy. > > I also feel that the whole issue of democracy within the campaign is being raised at > this time because it is the first time that a certain clique has lost a vote. > Unfortunately this discussion was not happening prior to the latest decision. I think > that the principles that you outlined below would be a fine place to start. > > As an ideological aside I think that the liberal idea of democracy is exactly what > Chomsky called "manufacturing consent" the idea of a participatory democracy is > outside of the liberal conception. For the liberal the point of democracy is to be > able to pursue private interests (usually involving some exploiattion) while what I > think that what we want from a working class standpoint or radical democratic if you > prefer is mass participation and an enlargement of the public sphere and public > control resting on the assumption that human beings are social animals and that > co-operation is essential to our survival if we want to live without exploitation, > coercion and oppression. > > Since you weren't at the meeting I will add, that I argued to end the expulsion of > sword. I don't agree that what we now need is an interegation of why people voted the > way they did. I understand why people voted the way they did and that is their right. > But to explain my own actions, firstly I opposse on principle the policy of expelling > leftist even if they are ultra-leftist. I think that this was done much to flippantly > in the first place. It is not the practice of Lenin or Mao (not that you care in > particular, but for the record) who worked with Trotsky and the gang of four > respectively even while criticizing them. I won't make a dogma out of it but generally > speaking there should be extraordinary circumstances. I also find it odd that we would > work with republicans and not sword. > > A second reason is that there is a very distinct right trend that has emerged in the > campaign. Part of that trend I already mentioned as far as the discussion of > democrcay, some other aspects are the trading of political work for social service (ie > office space club house whatever), the narrowing of the struggle to its the most > parochial features, the repeated attempts to suppress discussion and debate, the > belittling of theory, the refusal to be self-critical etc. > > In my opinion these are right wing mistakes that need to be corrected in order to move > forward, I think that sword will be allies in that struggle. > > There already exists some kind of code of conduct, if people feel the need to expound > it and include basic things like an end to profanity and name calling in place of > polemic and discussion, though it seems profoundly childish that we need such things > but I guess practice has proven that we do, I would support that. > > I am opposed to explusions that are motivated by desire for personal power or stifling > dissent or eliminating a political line that someone may not agree with but does not > violate our principles of unity or our platform(a note for the slow: the republicans > oppose our platform). > > While some members of sword have not been the most reasonable people and often tended > to revert to school yard antics like name calling and profainity, I think that those > tendencies can be criticized and eliminated without expelling the organization. > > Keith > > > > jagross66@h... wrote: > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general > > principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of the > > public' into the message ... > > > > When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean > > something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of > > values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely > > referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following is a > > cursory list, but it covers most of the bases : > > > > 1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate, and > > guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the piece > > Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist- > > Leninist would agree to some extent). > > > > 2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A > > course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously adopted > > by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much reservation > > and extensive deliberation. > > > > 3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the organization > > officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not by > > their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology. The > > flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's arguments > > _entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that religion or > > ideology. > > > > 4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique that > > can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and > > undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under which a > > democratic vote can exist. > > > > 5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is > > meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries include > > the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of the 'will > > of the public' (see #2). > > > > An additional note of commentary: > > > > a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of anything > > that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense, including > > a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they are > > not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform- minded > > organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to > > argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected' city > > council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is > > undemocratic. > > > > b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves to > > attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'. Not > > everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references, through > > references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon, through > > the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most people > > can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal > > politics. > > > > I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want > > elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a > > certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will presume the > > conversation to be over. > > > > Yours, > > > > Jeremy > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign- unsubscribe@e... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
The only thing hard to believe is that people would go to such great lengths to prove such a thing. Kids. Imperial Israeli government. The poor, innocent Palestinians. Boo hoo hoo. > What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did you > know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Matt <ml@...> > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 > > > My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such drivel? > Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of this > message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd almost > take seriously. Almost. > > Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- > they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real fucking > smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all > because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the > government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is > nothing short of Fascist. > > If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a > fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly > meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably turned > red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited > anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if he > were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, young > man!" > > Xavier, you're grounded. > > Matt > > > > > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, NJFO > > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that > "For > > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing some > > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > > Questions? ask X) > > > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > > sales@... > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
Does anyone know who this knucklehead is? & why does he have "ML-discussion" in his email (This isn't frenchy, is it? I expected more...) btw- 8 more "poor Palestinians" assasinated yesterday with US gunships, incl'd 2 little kids...Sharon might prove to be the end of Israel if this continues to Mount... ----Original Message Follows---- From: Matt <ml@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:54:52 -0400 The only thing hard to believe is that people would go to such great lengths to prove such a thing. Kids. Imperial Israeli government. The poor, innocent Palestinians. Boo hoo hoo. > What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did you > know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Matt <ml@...> > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 > > > My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such drivel? > Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of this > message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd almost > take seriously. Almost. > > Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- > they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real fucking > smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all > because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the > government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is > nothing short of Fascist. > > If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a > fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly > meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably turned > red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited > anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if he > were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, young > man!" > > Xavier, you're grounded. > > Matt > > > > > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, NJFO > > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that > "For > > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing some > > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > > Questions? ask X) > > > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > > sales@... > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: "ViequesLibre" <ViequesLibre@...> Reply-To: ViequesLibre-feedback-708@... To: List Member <vivaohio@...> Subject: Protestors Enter Vieques� Bombing Range--Entran con �xito al campo de tiro Date: 2 Aug 2001 16:27:12 -0000 [Bajar para versi�n Espa�ol] [MST]Socialist Workers Movement (Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores) Phone 787-415-4286 PRESS RELEASE August 1st, 2001 On Wednesday, August 1st, a brigade organized by the Socialist Workers Movement sneaked, once again, into the Vieques� restricted military zone. The brigade is working in collaboration with Cayo Yay� Collective and Vieques� Horsemen for Peace. The courageous action of the civil disobedient intends to reaffirm the democratic will of the majority of the people of Vieques in this precise moment when the US Navy is going to bomb Vieques in an attempt against life, health and peace in the island. The referendum certified the overly support of the people of Vieques to the immediate cease of the bombing and the departure of the US Navy. Civil disobedience is indispensable for stopping the abuses of the Navy against the decision of the people of Vieques and of all the people of Puerto Rico. At the moment of writing this press release the members of the brigade are in good health and none of them has been arrested. This brigade has the objective of preventing and interrupting the maneuvers during all this training session. Once they have completed their objective, their intention is to get out of the restricted area without being arrested. Here follows a list of all the members of this brigade: * Eric Hern�ndez � Boxing Trainer from Vieques * Rafael Feliciano - Teacher * Eva Ayala - Teacher * Yohana de Jes�s - Doctor * Edgardo Rom�n - Lawyer * Manuel Baez - Teacher * Ra�l Camilo Torres - Journalist Press release prepared by Luis �ngel Torres Portavoz 415-4286 Socialist Workers�Movement (MST) August 1st, 2001 Translated by ViequesLibre.org ================================================= Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores (MST) Tel�fono 415-4286 COMUNICADO DE PRENSA 1 de agosto de 2001 El mi�rcoles 1ro de agosto una brigada organizada por el Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores (MST) volvi� a incursionar dentro del �rea restringida en Vieques. La brigada cuenta con la colaboraci�n del Colectivo del Cayo La Yay� y de los Jinetes de Vieques. Justo cuando la Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos va a bombardear a Vieques, atentando contra la vida, la salud y la paz de la isla municipio, la valiente acci�n de los desobedientes civiles tiene el objetivo de hacer valer la voluntad democr�tica mayoritaria de los viequenses. El refer�ndum certific� el apoyo abrumador del pueblo viequense al cese inmediato de los bombardeos y a la salida de la Marina. La desobediencia civil es el recurso indispensable para detener el abuso de la Marina contra la decisi�n de los viequenses y todo Puerto Rico. Al momento de escribir este comunicado, los miembros de la brigada se encuentran bien de salud y ninguno ha sido arrestado. Esta brigada tiene el prop�sito de obstaculizar e interrumpir las maniobras. Esta brigada es parte de una acci�n dirigida a detener las maniobras durante todo el periodo que duren las mismas. La brigada tambi�n busca poder salir del �rea restringida sin ser arrestados una vez completen su objetivo. A continuaci�n el listado completo de los miembros de esta brigada: * Eric Hern�ndez - Entrenador de boxeo, viequense * Rafael Feliciano - Maestro * Eva Ayala - Maestra * Yohana de Jes�s - M�dico * Edgardo Rom�n - Abogado * Manuel Baez - Maestro * Ra�l Camilo Torres - Periodista Comunicado preparado por: Luis �ngel Torres Portavoz 415-4286 Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores (MST) 1 de agosto de 2001 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=11843&subid=A1C650A78616CE6B&msgnum=708 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
"my work" Ras Baraka for Newark City Council May 2002 Is that what you see as "my work" that you will distance yourself from? nobody says you gotta do me do you >From: shorepaulie@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] HE HEE >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:57:09 -0000 > >joe, you wrote f___ you and other things to amiri when he called your >work anarchic. I saw your words and I've seen your work. i distance >myself from both. cheers. > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > why don't you show up and do work before you jump on bandwagons? > > > > Ras Baraka for Newark City Council May 2002 > > saturday 9:45 & sunday 1:45 > > 808 S. tenth street > > newark nj > > > > meetings tuesday @7:00 same location > > > > > > > > >From: shorepaulie@h... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] HE HEE > > >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:33:45 -0000 > > > > > >I always love this one....pin the tail on the donkey. If I ate pork > > >rinds last week, I would fess up to that. If I stepped on somebody's > > >pet ants, I might explain that. if i hurt a small dog by accident, I > > >would be sad. if i vote against the double edged SWORD, it's because > > >I know they can't conduct themselves in a reasonable fashion. if > > >you're wondering what I'm talking about, refer to joes response to > > >amiri's criticism of his work on ras's campaign. > > > > > >Paul > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jagross66@h... wrote: > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > When you say, "explain yourself", it seems as though you are > > > > demanding a confession of sin, of inner fallenness. A confession is > > > > not an argument. > > > > > > > > I will, however, provide arguments as to why I _would have_ voted > > > > against your clique's aims. (I was, unfortunately, unable to attend > > > > the meeting). In short, I would not have voted against your >clique's > > > > readmittance to the organization. I would have voted against so >much > > > > as bringing it up for a vote. > > > > > > > > In short, it is my understanding that, on several bases, the >vote was > > > > not legitimate. It was not really a democratic vote at all. The > > > > most obvious objection is that it wasn't even on the agenda; the > > > > standard practice is that such things are proposed at a meeting > > > > during the first month, and then placed on the agenda for a vote > > > > during the following month. > > > > > > > > Do you object to the norm of _open participation_ as a central > > > > element of democracy? Unless you do, you must agree with me. > > > > > > > > The use of agendas and preliminary votes, as described above, exist > > > > in part so that people may be forewarned as to what is up for a vote > > > > during the following meeting. That way, if someone is out of town, > > > > etc, they can vote by absentee means. This was formally, > > > > democratically adopted by the Campaign. However, certain rules are > > > > so central to basic democratic norms that they stand whether or not > > > > they were codified into law. The fact that they were adopted as > > > > written rules only bolsters my claims. > > > > > > > > Do you also propose that individuals have their 'voting rights' >in an > > > > organization stifled? > > > > > > > > I can provide several more arguments, but I'll let this one stand as > > > > pretty much sufficient. If you have a counter-argument, present it. > > > > I don't want to hear 1) childish nicknames like 'Waron Curtis', 2) a > > > > stream of slogans, 3) watery rhetoric about 'the people' or 'the > > > > community'. You are not 'the community' nor 'the people' any more > > > > than Donald DiFrancesco _is_ 'the people of New Jersey' in one > > > > person. > > > > > > > > PS -- > > > > > > > > Your organization is just as susceptible to the 'arrogance of power' > > > > as any other, so stop 'playing victim'. Actually, since you seem to > > > > reject the norm(s) of legality, it is more susceptible. > > > > > > > > PPS -- > > > > > > > > These are not 'my arguments'. These are standard arguments that any > > > > reasonable person with a basic commitment to liberal democratic >norms > > > > would make. It is only 'my' presentation of standard arguments. So > > > > please address the arguments, and not me. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Revolutionaries SI!! Republicans NO! > > > > > > > > > > SWORD Reinstated!! by the community- yes vote 9 > > > > > no vote 8 > > > > > > > > > > flavier, what do you mean when you state that you vote against > > > > SWORD because > > > > > you say to me, "you don't support democracy"? > > > > > > > > > > load of pond ducks > > > > > > > > > > explainations are due- all members who voted against SWORD >being in > > > > the NBPC > > > > > must explain themselves. next meeting will suffice unless we see > > > > each other > > > > > sooner. > > > > > > > > > > keith how does SWORD members join nbpcmembers@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > joe smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] curious about something.... > > > > > >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:08:25 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > narrow brain with loud mouth > > > > > > > > > > > >Ah, yes... I had forgotten that the best way to make a point >is an > > > > ad > > > > > >hominem attack.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > if we win newark in may 2002 is our organization more prepared > > > > or > > > > > >less to win new brunswick in november? > > > > > > > > > > > >Whose organization? If you mean SWORD/BOL, get your own damn > > > > > >listserve! > > > > > > > > > > > > > U&S is a collective organizer piece of propoganda, it would > > > > serve > > > > > >the peoples' campaign tremendously. > > > > > > > > > > > >It's a rag. Most New Brunswick voters, i.e., the individuals >whose > > > > > >ballots will determine whether NBPC wins or not, either don't > > > > > >understand it or are turned off by a lot of the virulent and > > > > > >unreasoned writing in it. How many subscriptions to U&S do you > > > > sell > > > > > >to New Brunswick voters? If it were a dozen, I'd be >surprised, and > > > > > >we need 4000+ votes to win our 2002 electoral campaign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > old relations and active organizations are something to be > > > > learned > > > > > >from, these discussions are not only necessary and relevant, but > > > > they > > > > > >have been being dissed for some time by your expulsion leaders. > > > > > > > > > > > >Please specify which one of these old relations or active > > > > > >organizations that you referred to has elected a candidate to > > > > > >office? When and where would this be? If they have not, how >much > > > > > >can they really teach us? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again about newark, the greens(fortuncookie) are in new > > > > brunswick > > > > > >and will be working to elect schundler - the sooner a collective > > > > > >strategy amongst local activists is put together the better. >there > > > > is > > > > > >no way that the greens should not be addressed, for you to argue > > > > such > > > > > >only shows your own support for schundler. > > > > > > > > > > > >What is fortuncookie? Moreover, according to my information >(i.e. > > > > > >the ELEC website), the Greens' candidate for governor is Jerry L. > > > > > >Coleman of Lawrenceville, not Schundler. Personally, I back Jim > > > > > >McGreevey so watch your mouth when you claim I support Schundler! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in case you missed it the peoples' campaign has sabotaged its > > > > line > > > > > >of community control with its sell out to republicans, >where's your > > > > > >arguements against this happening? > > > > > > > > > > > >In case you missed it, the People's Campaign is about winning the > > > > > >Democracy Ordinance through I&R in 2001 and winning the mayor and > > > > two > > > > > >council seats in 2002 with candidates to the liking of those who > > > > will > > > > > >be in attendance at our Spring 2002 convention. It's not about > > > > > >struggle for its own sake, or about ideological purity. It's >about > > > > > >winning seats in the New Brunswick city government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
flavio says: "One last comment: I do not belittle the need to study theory and history. I would like to hear some theoretical and historical analysis of how we clean the machine's clock in 2001 and 2002, not the value of Bettleheim." abandoned the right, embrace the masses! >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re:Revolutionaries SI! Republicans NO!! >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:35:29 -0000 > >"Manufacturing" consent!?!?! Now that's nonsense. How the Campaign >decides on things is not complicated. You make a proposal ... in >writing and in advance is the desirable way, so people can discuss >and think about it if possible. You get it on the agenda. It gets >discussed in the business meeting and voted on, up, down, or with >amendments. Nothing precludes other meetings / discussion circles / >whatever from being formed to formulate ideas, attack proposals, etc. > >As an example: the proposal that the Campaign's focus be electoral >wins, approved at the June meeting. It was written up, posted on the >egroup, discussed at the meeting, and approved. Anyone who felt that >the Campaign's goals ought to be something other than electoral wins, >was free to vote down the proposal. A majority felt otherwise. >Nothing manufactured there. > >Nor, strictly speaking, was anything "manufactured" by the admittedly >disappointing vote to readmit SWORD. (reserving judgment on the >qualifications of some voters for the time being). Mass >participation in our meetings is expressly provided for in our >procedures. That SWORD's faction won can be more attributed to >community members' failure to attend our meetings, not a lack of >democratic procedure within the Campaign. > >Also, FYI, to my knowledge, the People's Campaign Center plan has not >been repealed. To the contrary, I think that most people recognize >that an organization like ours, whose goals are to win two defined >electoral campaigns, needs a physical headquarters. Thus, just like >the opposition to Schundler is a MEANS of accomplishing our GOAL of >electoral wins, so too is the People's Campaign Center a MEANS of >accomplishing those GOALS. That some of the people who were leading >the People's Campaign Center committee have not followed through on >their assigned tasks is unfortunate as well but I do not equate that >with abandonment of the proposal. > >One last comment: I do not belittle the need to study theory and >history. I would like to hear some theoretical and historical >analysis of how we clean the machine's clock in 2001 and 2002, not >the value of Bettleheim. > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > > Jeremy, > > One of the reason that I posted the piece you mentioned was that I >think that the > > campaign has a tendency towards "manufacturing consent" rather than >participatory > > democracy. Though I wouldn't advocate it for the campaign the ideal >of democractic > > centralism is that thorough going discussion proceeds decisions and >are followed by > > unity of action even by dissenters who are not only allowed but >encouraged to continue > > to raise their dissent in the future. This is ideal for a >revolutionary organziation > > because it allows unity of action in bloc. But as I said democratic >centralism is not > > appropriate for the campaign. > > > > Anyway as to this debate, I don't think that the vote last saturday >was a perfect > > expression of the public will or even democratic principles, >however it was a perfect > > expression of the form of democrcay that has come to dominate in >the People's > > Campaign. If one of the results of that decision is a more serious >consideration of > > what it means to function democratically I would be very happy. > > > > I also feel that the whole issue of democracy within the campaign >is being raised at > > this time because it is the first time that a certain clique has >lost a vote. > > Unfortunately this discussion was not happening prior to the latest >decision. I think > > that the principles that you outlined below would be a fine place >to start. > > > > As an ideological aside I think that the liberal idea of democracy >is exactly what > > Chomsky called "manufacturing consent" the idea of a participatory >democracy is > > outside of the liberal conception. For the liberal the point of >democracy is to be > > able to pursue private interests (usually involving some >exploiattion) while what I > > think that what we want from a working class standpoint or radical >democratic if you > > prefer is mass participation and an enlargement of the public >sphere and public > > control resting on the assumption that human beings are social >animals and that > > co-operation is essential to our survival if we want to live >without exploitation, > > coercion and oppression. > > > > Since you weren't at the meeting I will add, that I argued to end >the expulsion of > > sword. I don't agree that what we now need is an interegation of >why people voted the > > way they did. I understand why people voted the way they did and >that is their right. > > But to explain my own actions, firstly I opposse on principle the >policy of expelling > > leftist even if they are ultra-leftist. I think that this was done >much to flippantly > > in the first place. It is not the practice of Lenin or Mao (not >that you care in > > particular, but for the record) who worked with Trotsky and the >gang of four > > respectively even while criticizing them. I won't make a dogma out >of it but generally > > speaking there should be extraordinary circumstances. I also find >it odd that we would > > work with republicans and not sword. > > > > A second reason is that there is a very distinct right trend that >has emerged in the > > campaign. Part of that trend I already mentioned as far as the >discussion of > > democrcay, some other aspects are the trading of political work for >social service (ie > > office space club house whatever), the narrowing of the struggle to >its the most > > parochial features, the repeated attempts to suppress discussion >and debate, the > > belittling of theory, the refusal to be self-critical etc. > > > > In my opinion these are right wing mistakes that need to be >corrected in order to move > > forward, I think that sword will be allies in that struggle. > > > > There already exists some kind of code of conduct, if people feel >the need to expound > > it and include basic things like an end to profanity and name >calling in place of > > polemic and discussion, though it seems profoundly childish that we >need such things > > but I guess practice has proven that we do, I would support that. > > > > I am opposed to explusions that are motivated by desire for >personal power or stifling > > dissent or eliminating a political line that someone may not agree >with but does not > > violate our principles of unity or our platform(a note for the >slow: the republicans > > oppose our platform). > > > > While some members of sword have not been the most reasonable >people and often tended > > to revert to school yard antics like name calling and profainity, I >think that those > > tendencies can be criticized and eliminated without expelling the >organization. > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > jagross66@h... wrote: > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> >wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general > > > principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of >the > > > public' into the message ... > > > > > > When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean > > > something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of > > > values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely > > > referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following >is a > > > cursory list, but it covers most of the bases : > > > > > > 1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate, >and > > > guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the piece > > > Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist- > > > Leninist would agree to some extent). > > > > > > 2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A > > > course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously >adopted > > > by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much >reservation > > > and extensive deliberation. > > > > > > 3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the >organization > > > officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not by > > > their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology. The > > > flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's >arguments > > > _entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that religion >or > > > ideology. > > > > > > 4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique >that > > > can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and > > > undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under >which a > > > democratic vote can exist. > > > > > > 5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is > > > meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries >include > > > the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of >the 'will > > > of the public' (see #2). > > > > > > An additional note of commentary: > > > > > > a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of >anything > > > that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense, >including > > > a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they are > > > not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform- >minded > > > organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to > > > argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected' >city > > > council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is > > > undemocratic. > > > > > > b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves to > > > attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'. Not > > > everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references, >through > > > references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon, >through > > > the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most >people > > > can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal > > > politics. > > > > > > I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want > > > elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a > > > certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will presume >the > > > conversation to be over. > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign- >unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: "Khabirah Myers" <khabirah@...> Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [poprogress] 2nd Try Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:19:43 -0700 Okay family, here's the message about Zimbabwean President Mugabe that I had been trying to send before. Maybe a POP contingent can make it up to this organizing meeting? - Khabirah ZIMBABWE PRESIDENT ROBERT MUGABE IS COMING TO HARLEM NEW YORK! ORGANIZING MEETING - FRIDAY, AUGUST 3, 2001 AT 7PM Dear Friends, It is with great pleasure that we announce the upcoming visit of the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe, Robert Gabriel Mugabe to Harlem, New York. President Mugabe will be in New York during the month of September 2001 to attend the United Nations General Assembly meeting of the Heads of State. During his official visit he will return to Harlem to address our community and update us first hand on the current situation in Zimbabwe. Please join the ORGANIZING MEETING for President Mugabe's Return to Harlem on Friday, August 3, 2001 at 7pm at the Mount Olivet Baptist Church, 120th Street and Malcolm X Blvd, Harlem, NY. You may recall on September 7, 2000 while in New York for the Millennium Summit of the United Nations General Assembly, the Pan African community hosted President Mugabe at the Mount Olivet Baptist Church in Harlem. Over 4,000 people rallied in support of President Mugabe and the Zimbabwean people at that historic event. President Mugabe, the Zimbabwe African Nation Union - Patriotic Front(ZANU-PF), and the people of Zimbabwe are in the midst of fundamentally changing the political and economic paradigm on the continent of Africa. Under the slogan of "Land To The Tillers!" they have courageously embarked upon a land redistribution effort to turn over Zimbabwe's vast farmlands to the millions of poor landless indigenous people. Heretofore, the land and the agriculturally based economy of Zimbabwe has been controlled by a handful of descendants of colonialist settler Cecil Rhodes and his British partners who forcibly stole the land from the people of Zimbabwe, formerly known as Rhodesia. President Mugabe, a veteran of the liberation struggle for independence, has led the fight to complete the process of liberation through economic independence. Land is the basis of independence and control of the natural resources, the means of production, must be in the hands of the indigenous people. Please join us as we honor and celebrate the Zimbabwean people and their fearless unrelenting struggle to FREE THE LAND and set an example for the continent of Africa and the Diaspora. Sincerely, Amadi Ajamu Manhattan Coordinator Friends of Zimbabwe (917) 495-6979 Email: amadi4@... PLEASE CALL OR EMAIL IMMEDIATELY TO CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE. Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Yeah, I'm the Matt you're thinking of. Palestinians snipe and blow up Israeli kids, as well, for one thing -- but settlers, even if I agree with you that they should be removed with force, are people too, and have kids just the same. Sharon is scum, and the Israeli government is guilty of using excessive force. I'm not arguing for 'Israeli solidarity' or some such nonsense; it's just that whenever I see immature 'agitprop', there is a small chance, depending on my mood, that it will elicit a reaction that might provoke me to respond. I hate this one-sided crap, and I especially hate it when there are activists (some of whom. I happen to know, are not stupid at all), who write drivel trying to rouse people's anger rather than use reason and argument. Give me a break with your fascism. One-sidedness gets on my nerves more than the technical facts or specific opinions you hold. All your messages and propaganda appeal to the lowest, most angry, most primitive emotive aspects of humans -- "EVIL IS ON THE LOOSE -- DESTROY KILL DESTROY!" I mean, surely you do not see a little bit of SWORD (which you criticize) in some of these 'agitprop' pieces? Matt > Does anyone know who this knucklehead is? & why does he have "ML-discussion" > in his email (This isn't frenchy, is it? I expected more...) btw- 8 more > "poor Palestinians" assasinated yesterday with US gunships, incl'd 2 little > kids...Sharon might prove to be the end of Israel if this continues to > Mount... > > > > The only thing hard to believe is that people would go to such great lengths > to prove such a thing. > > Kids. > > Imperial Israeli government. > > The poor, innocent Palestinians. Boo hoo hoo. > > > > What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did > you > > know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Matt <ml@...> > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 > > > > > > My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such > drivel? > > Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of > this > > message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd > almost > > take seriously. Almost. > > > > Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- > > they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real > fucking > > smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all > > because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the > > government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is > > nothing short of Fascist. > > > > If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a > > fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly > > meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably > turned > > red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited > > anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if > he > > were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, > young > > man!" > > > > Xavier, you're grounded. > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > > > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, > NJFO > > > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that > > "For > > > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing > some > > > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > > > Questions? ask X) > > > > > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > > > > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > > > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > > > sales@... > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Keith- this is an excellent formulation. It might should mention generally the callusion of the two party system in the overall maintainance of imperialism, and in particular the relationship of Republicanism to jingoism and the most reactionary, chauvinist, backward representatives of internaional finance capital. (ie- we operate in fundamental and complete opposition to fascism in all forms, etc...) -Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: "nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com" <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, "njfo@egroups.com" <njfo@egroups.com> Subject: [nbpc] next camapign meeting Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 11:32:14 -0500 We should work out a statement of purpose that goes something like this: Opposse republicans everywhere. Opposse democrats independently where we can win and support them where republicans are a threat. Work to end the two party system and replace it with a multi-party system. This should be fleshed out but it can work as a basis. Keith To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
(Frenchy wrote:) Yeah, I'm the Matt you're thinking of. Palestinians snipe and blow up Israeli kids, as well, for one thing -- but settlers, even if I agree with you that they should be removed with force, are people too, and have kids just the same. Sharon is scum, and the Israeli government is guilty of using excessive force. I'm not arguing for 'Israeli solidarity' or some such nonsense; it's just that whenever I see immature 'agitprop', there is a small chance, depending on my mood, that it will elicit a reaction that might provoke me to respond. I hate this one-sided crap, and I especially hate it when there are activists (some of whom. I happen to know, are not stupid at all), who write drivel trying to rouse people's anger rather than use reason and argument. Give me a break with your fascism. One-sidedness gets on my nerves more than the technical facts or specific opinions you hold. ______________________________________________________ (My response is this: I think sometimes we "hate" most what we see in ourselves. I support the struggle for Palestinian liberation against a vicious imperialistic occupation of their homeland. I feel for the Israeli kids. Beyond that, if your posts indicated any incling of an interest in sorting out the infinite minutia of the historic and complex contradictions in the region, I would engage you. Otherwise- I embrace the aspect of SWORD that rails against imperialism and it's "excessive use of force". -Matthew) All your messages and propaganda appeal to the lowest, most angry, most primitive emotive aspects of humans -- "EVIL IS ON THE LOOSE -- DESTROY KILL DESTROY!" I mean, surely you do not see a little bit of SWORD (which you criticize) in some of these 'agitprop' pieces? Matt > Does anyone know who this knucklehead is? & why does he have "ML-discussion" > in his email (This isn't frenchy, is it? I expected more...) btw- 8 more > "poor Palestinians" assasinated yesterday with US gunships, incl'd 2 little > kids...Sharon might prove to be the end of Israel if this continues to > Mount... > > > > The only thing hard to believe is that people would go to such great lengths > to prove such a thing. > > Kids. > > Imperial Israeli government. > > The poor, innocent Palestinians. Boo hoo hoo. > > > > What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did > you > > know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Matt <ml@...> > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 > > > > > > My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such > drivel? > > Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of > this > > message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd > almost > > take seriously. Almost. > > > > Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- > > they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real > fucking > > smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all > > because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the > > government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is > > nothing short of Fascist. > > > > If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a > > fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly > > meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably > turned > > red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited > > anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if > he > > were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, > young > > man!" > > > > Xavier, you're grounded. > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > > > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, > NJFO > > > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that > > "For > > > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing > some > > > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > > > Questions? ask X) > > > > > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > > > > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > > > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > > > sales@... > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Matt, does this mean that what you see in yourself is fascism and imperialism? ______________________________________________________ (My response is this: I think sometimes we "hate" most what we see in ourselves. I support the struggle for Palestinian liberation against a vicious imperialistic occupation of their homeland. I feel for the Israeli kids. Beyond that, if your posts indicated any incling of an interest in sorting out the infinite minutia of the historic and complex contradictions in the region, I would engage you. Otherwise- I embrace the aspect of SWORD that rails against imperialism and it's "excessive use of force". -Matthew) All your messages and propaganda appeal to the lowest, most angry, most primitive emotive aspects of humans -- "EVIL IS ON THE LOOSE -- DESTROY KILL DESTROY!" I mean, surely you do not see a little bit of SWORD (which you criticize) in some of these 'agitprop' pieces? Matt > Does anyone know who this knucklehead is? & why does he have "ML-discussion" > in his email (This isn't frenchy, is it? I expected more...) btw- 8 more > "poor Palestinians" assasinated yesterday with US gunships, incl'd 2 little > kids...Sharon might prove to be the end of Israel if this continues to > Mount... > > > > The only thing hard to believe is that people would go to such great lengths > to prove such a thing. > > Kids. > > Imperial Israeli government. > > The poor, innocent Palestinians. Boo hoo hoo. > > > > What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did > you > > know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Matt <ml@...> > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 > > > > > > My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such > drivel? > > Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of > this > > message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd > almost > > take seriously. Almost. > > > > Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- > > they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real > fucking > > smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all > > because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the > > government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is > > nothing short of Fascist. > > > > If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a > > fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly > > meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably > turned > > red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited > > anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if > he > > were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, > young > > man!" > > > > Xavier, you're grounded. > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > > > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, > NJFO > > > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that > > "For > > > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing > some > > > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > > > Questions? ask X) > > > > > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > > > > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > > > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > > > sales@... > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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frenchy- this isn't productive or even intersting. signing off. -MS ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Frenchy Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 08:52:11 -0400 Matt, does this mean that what you see in yourself is fascism and imperialism? ______________________________________________________ (My response is this: I think sometimes we "hate" most what we see in ourselves. I support the struggle for Palestinian liberation against a vicious imperialistic occupation of their homeland. I feel for the Israeli kids. Beyond that, if your posts indicated any incling of an interest in sorting out the infinite minutia of the historic and complex contradictions in the region, I would engage you. Otherwise- I embrace the aspect of SWORD that rails against imperialism and it's "excessive use of force". -Matthew) All your messages and propaganda appeal to the lowest, most angry, most primitive emotive aspects of humans -- "EVIL IS ON THE LOOSE -- DESTROY KILL DESTROY!" I mean, surely you do not see a little bit of SWORD (which you criticize) in some of these 'agitprop' pieces? Matt > Does anyone know who this knucklehead is? & why does he have "ML-discussion" > in his email (This isn't frenchy, is it? I expected more...) btw- 8 more > "poor Palestinians" assasinated yesterday with US gunships, incl'd 2 little > kids...Sharon might prove to be the end of Israel if this continues to > Mount... > > > > The only thing hard to believe is that people would go to such great lengths > to prove such a thing. > > Kids. > > Imperial Israeli government. > > The poor, innocent Palestinians. Boo hoo hoo. > > > > What's so hard to believe about HP concealing it's nazi "problem"? Did > you > > know that the Imperial Israeli Gov't is being run by...fascists?! > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Matt <ml@...> > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [nbpc] FABW slithers back to town! > > Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:14:12 -0400 > > > > > > My comment/question is: how in the world could someone write such > drivel? > > Do these people actually believe this type of garbage? The author of > this > > message makes Xavier look like ... well, look like someone who I'd > almost > > take seriously. Almost. > > > > Um. Yeah, the Jewish mayor and councilpeople, and especially the ADL -- > > they are in league with the bourgeoisie/ the FASCISTS. That's real > fucking > > smart. I'm about to go join the kiddies in their righteous fight, all > > because a couple of geniuses uncovered a secret fascist plot in which the > > government of a town where Jews make up almost half of the population is > > nothing short of Fascist. > > > > If Mayor Frank, et. al. were laughing at Xavier, it was because he made a > > fool of himself. It's a good thing I didn't go to any of those silly > > meetings because I would have felt pity for poor Xavier, who probably > turned > > red while individuals (who were made up of both blacks and Jews) waited > > anxiously in line in front of the mic so they could lecture Xavier as if > he > > were a teenager who'd wrecked the family car. "You owe us an apology, > young > > man!" > > > > Xavier, you're grounded. > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > (I found this on Indymedia.org/newjersey section...wonder of > > > wonders--there's no mention of the relationship to NBPC organizers, > NJFO > > > history or even U&S, for that matter! Amazing. But it does appear that > > "For > > > a Better World" & DartherRuthenHensonHungerArtfordKnaveBurg is doing > some > > > great work in Middlesex county. with friends like these...Comments, > > > Questions? ask X) > > > > > > Neo-Nazis in Highland Park (full story) > > > > > > FaBW article on Campaign (pre-release) > > > by Chris Ruthenberg 3:18am Sat Jul 28 '01 > > > sales@... > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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----Original Message Follows---- From: "ViequesLibre" <ViequesLibre@...> Reply-To: ViequesLibre-feedback-710@... To: List Member <vivaohio@...> Subject: Navy Bombs Vieques, Attacks Journalists and other Civilians Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:37:11 -0000 (version en espanol abajo) Tensions Flare Over Bomb Exercises By MARCELO BALLVE The Associated Press VIEQUES, Puerto Rico (AP) - U.S. Navy security personnel fired rubber bullets and tear gas at a crowd of protesters and journalists on Vieques island, sparking debate over the military's latest use of force and its resumption of maneuvers on the outlying Puerto Rican island. The Navy said protesters were trying to break into a restricted area on Thursday night so security personnel fired tear gas, bean bags and rubber bullets to disperse the crowd. The projectiles were fired only after the protesters fired a flare toward the base, shined bright lights at the officers and tried to break into the fence, the Navy said. Tomas van Houtryve, a photographer for The Associated Press, was hit in the arm by a rubber bullet as he ran away from guards firing tear gas. He had been covering the protests and the start of the maneuvers. Van Houtryve said the protesters only shook the fence and yelled at the Navy when security personnel fired a flare, canisters of tear gas and then three rubber bullets at the fleeing crowd. ``There were people cutting the fence (on the range), throwing rocks at the security force and vehicles, and pushing on the fence,'' said Navy spokeswoman, Lt. Cmdr. Katherine Goode. ``As a result the security forces perceived this as threat to harm military personnel.'' But according to Van Houtryve, protesters didn't have any tools to cut the fence and didn't fire any flares. Photographers did use bright flashes to take pictures, he said. Goode declined comment when asked about the conflicting report. At least 12 protesters managed to invade Navy land bordering the bombing range to try to stop exercises, according to protest groups. Some of the protesters early Friday morning spoke out against the Navy's use of rubber bullets and tear gas. ``This is another act of brutality and violence on the part of the Navy,'' said Robert Rabin, an anti-Navy activist. ``There was no doubt that this was an abuse of power because the military knew that there were journalists (in the crowd).'' The latest exercises, which could last until Aug. 10, involve ship-to-shore shelling, air-to-ground bombing and beach assaults, making the maneuvers some of the biggest since a civilian guard was killed by off-target bombs on the range in 1999. His death sparked island-wide protests on the 18-mile-long island of Vieques and on the main island. The Navy has trained on Vieques for every major conflict from World War II to Kosovo, and today uses Puerto Rico as a base to fight drug traffickers. Last week, nearly 70 percent of Vieques residents voted for an immediate end to the bombing. Thirty percent supported the Navy remaining indefinitely and resuming bombing with live munitions. President Bush has promised the Navy will leave Vieques by 2003. But in a nonbinding local referendum on the bombing Sunday, only 1.7 percent of voters among Vieques 9,100 residents backed his plan. _____________________ Protesters gather as Navy bombs rain on Vieques Iv�n Rom�n | San Juan Bureau Orlando Sentinel August 3, 2001 VIEQUES, Puerto Rico -- U.S. Navy ships pounded the shores of this tiny island with dummy bombs Thursday only days after residents here asked the Navy to stop its military exercises immediately and leave. It was the first day of training exercises expected to last more than a week -- and it will be the largest and most complex since the Vieques controversy exploded in April 1999. As thousands of sailors and other troops resumed work, protesters gathered near the gate to the Navy base. This time, however, they were protesting more than the Navy's exercises. They were also expressing anger over President Bush's refusal to abide by Sunday's referendum on Vieques. In Sunday's nonbinding referendum, 68 percent of Vieques voters said the Navy should stop bombing immediately, clean up the island and return most of the land, which it has owned since World War II. After the vote, Bush said the Navy would not be able to stop its training immediately, repeating his earlier decision to end the exercises for good in May 2003. After exercises resumed, about 200 people chanted, "Navy Go Home" and "Democracy, Baby, Democracy" while others put mock ballots on the Navy fence. Military police with dogs and pepper spray lined up on the other side. Protesters were hoping their actions would fuel further civil disobedience as the Navy continues exercises throughout the week. "Sooner or later that vote will have enough strength to knock down that Navy fence," said Ismael Guadalupe, president of the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques, as he gave the signal for the crowd to move closer to the fence. "That vote has to be defended." As the 10-day training session continues, small groups of protesters plan to break through the Navy's fence to get to the target range, repeating actions they took during training exercises in April and June. The protesters were able to stop or disrupt the Navy's training for hours at a time. Prominent lawyers and Roman Catholics, including at least one parish priest, plan to go onto the restricted Navy grounds before the week is out. The priest, who was arrested earlier this year when he broke through the fence, wrote a plea this week to Bush. "Everyone has spoken, and no one has paid attention. Now in the name of God, I ask you that you remove the Navy from Vieques," the Rev. Nelson Lopez said at a news conference. "The people have spoken and ask for peace, and that gives us more strength to act." No arrests had been reported Thursday evening, and two more groups of professionals, students and Vieques residents were expected to break through the fence under cover of darkness. The Socialist Workers' Movement reported that three teachers, a doctor, a lawyer, an athlete and a journalist have been on the target range since Wednesday afternoon and shot flares to signal the Navy that they were there. Navy officials denied those reports. During the day and night, about 23,000 sailors, Marines and soldiers will be conducting ship-to-shore shelling, air-to-ground bombing and amphibious beach assaults that Vieques Commissioner Juan Fernandez called an "all-out war scenario." The USS Vella Gulf, a guided-missile cruiser, and another ship firing 70-pound shells at the 900-acre target range began the exercises Thursday morning. It was the final training for the Norfolk, Va.-based Theodore Roosevelt battle group, which may be sent to the Persian Gulf or Mediterranean. "If something were to happen in the Persian Gulf, this is the final step in training that prepares the troops to carry out an effective combat campaign," Navy spokesman Bob Nelson said. On the legal front, Ponce Mayor Rafael "Churumba" Cordero Santiago, who heads Puerto Rico's second-largest city, was sentenced Thursday to 30 days in federal prison for trespassing onto Navy grounds during previous exercises. He is the latest of the more than 700 people arrested and charged with trespassing to be tried. Environmental lawyer Robert Kennedy Jr. and New York labor leader Dennis Rivera were released Wednesday after serving 30-day sentences for trespassing and urged more people to get involved. _____________________ Blanco de una bala de goma un fotoperiodista viernes, 3 de agosto de 2001 Por Benjam�n Torres Gotay El Nuevo D�a VIEQUES - Un fot�grafo de prensa fue blanco de un balazo de goma disparado por militares, mientras cerca de una docena de manifestantes penetraron en la zona de tiro y otros tantos se preparaban para incursionar hoy, en los m�s notables incidentes ocurridos en el primer d�a de maniobras b�licas aqu� desde que la Isla Nena vot� en contra de la continuaci�n de las pr�cticas el domingo. Mientras tanto, y a pesar de las versiones de que hab�a civiles en la zona de tiro, la Marina de Guerra de los Estados Unidos condujo sus ejercicios con normalidad entre las 8:40 a.m. y 8:00 p.m. y, seg�n fuentes militares, lleg� a disparar por lo menos 120 bombas de unas 70 libras contra las costas del extremo este de la isla municipio. Cerca de un centenar de manifestantes, por otro lado, bloque� durante varias horas la entrada del Campamento Garc�a en la culminaci�n de una caravana de protesta en la que los activistas lanzaron contra el interior de la instalaci�n militar un modelo de la papeleta utilizada el domingo, en el que 68.2% de los votantes de Vieques pidi� el cese inmediato y permanente de las maniobras b�licas. Esos incidentes coronaron una jornada que hab�a transcurrido con tanta tranquilidad que incluso hizo temer a los l�deres de la campa�a anti-Marina que el fuego de la oposici�n a las maniobras estuviese en peligro de extinci�n despu�s de la votaci�n del domingo y de las informaciones de que el Congreso podr�a eliminar la certeza de que la Marina abandonar� la isla en mayo de 2003. EL INCIDENTE en el que result� herido el fotoperiodista Thomas Van Houtryvre, asignado a la oficina de San Juan de The Associated Press, se produjo anoche mientras cubr�a a un grupo de j�venes que intentaba penetrar el Campamento Garc�a a trav�s de una verja cerca del sector Santa Mar�a. Los j�venes se acercaron a la verja poco antes de las 9:00 p.m. y fueron repelidos con gases lacrim�genos y balas de goma. Los militares tambi�n lanzaron gases y dispararon contra los periodistas que cubr�an las incidencias desde una distancia de unos 25 metros de la verja. Von Houtryvre recibi� un balazo de goma cerca del codo en el brazo derecho. Anoche era atendido en el hospital municipal de Vieques. Nadie m�s result� herido en el incidente. Los j�venes que intentaban entrar dijeron que su prop�sito era dar apoyo a otros cinco manifestantes que hab�an penetrado los terrenos restringidos temprano en la noche, en lo que describieron como "una misi�n de reconocimiento" que les fall� cuando fueron detectados. Entre esos cinco manifestantes hay dos que reci�n cumplieron una sentencia de 45 d�as por actos de desobediencia civil. Ninguno fue identificado. Al mismo tiempo que este grupo, otros siete manifestantes tambi�n planificaban entrar, pero al cierre de esta edici�n no se ten�a certeza de si lo hab�an logrado. POR OTRO lado, siete miembros del grupo Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores (MST), entre los que se cuentan varios maestros, un abogado, una doctora y el periodista Ra�l Camilo Torres, segu�an anoche en la zona de tiro, a donde hab�an entrado, seg�n se inform�, desde el martes en la noche. Un portavoz de la Marina, sin embargo, sostuvo que la Marina no pod�a confirmar si hab�a civiles en la zona de tiro y que dos buques militares hicieron decenas de disparos contra las playas de la isla. Los buques que practicaron ayer en Vieques fueron el USS Vella Gulf y el USS Ross. Durante los pr�ximos d�as seguir�n los disparos de barco a tierra y la semana que viene se intensificar�n las maniobras en las que participan unos 23,000 efectivos, seg�n Bob Nelson, portavoz de la Marina. Los siete miembros del MST que est�n en la zona de tiro, adem�s, de Torres, reportero de la estaci�n Radio Reloj (WKAQ-AM), son los maestros Rafael Feliciano, Manuel B�ez y Eva Ayala; el abogado Edgardo Rom�n, la doctora en medicina Johana de Jes�s y el viequense Eric Hern�ndez. _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/manage/subscriberprefs?customerid=11843&subid=C89FE5D5566DBE29&msgnum=710 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: Before I proceed any further, let me respond generally to a point in your previous message that I missed. I was not writing to you as the representative of a _practical viewpoint_, that is, a "faction", a "clique", etc. What I did argue was that the vote to reinstate yourself, your brother, Ms. Engel, et al, violated certain formal democratic principles. Principles of this sort are in due part voluntary, though an organization cannot long function well without them. My argument about the agenda followed from the outline of principles quoted below. I will repeat it in short: Deciding to vote to overturn a previous democratic vote requires in-depth consideration, and never ought to be undertaken spontaneously. It is therefore largely wise to propose to do so at one meeting, and give people a month to consider it. This also ensures that people who are unable to attend the meeting for thoroughly valid reasons are not excluded from an important decision. Again, this is more a matter of principle than a formal rule; there is no formal rule mandating this, as far as I am aware, in the People's Campaign. Again, you may argue with what I wrote in the previous message if you wish. - Jeremy > i thought we were discussing the agenda? > > > >From: jagross66@h... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Re:Revolutionaries SI! Republicans NO!! > >Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:08:20 -0000 > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > >Joe, > > > >Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general > >principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of the > >public' into the message ... > > > >When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean > >something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of > >values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely > >referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following is a > >cursory list, but it covers most of the bases : > > > >1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate, and > >guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the piece > >Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist- > >Leninist would agree to some extent). > > > >2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A > >course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously adopted > >by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much reservation > >and extensive deliberation. > > > >3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the organization > >officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not by > >their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology. The > >flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's arguments > >_entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that religion or > >ideology. > > > >4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique that > >can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and > >undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under which a > >democratic vote can exist. > > > >5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is > >meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries include > >the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of the 'will > >of the public' (see #2). > > > >An additional note of commentary: > > > >a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of anything > >that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense, including > >a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they are > >not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform-minded > >organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to > >argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected' city > >council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is > >undemocratic. > > > >b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves to > >attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'. Not > >everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references, through > >references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon, through > >the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most people > >can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal > >politics. > > > >I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want > >elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a > >certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will presume the > >conversation to be over. > > > >Yours, > > > >Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
for the record:
"electoral wins" are not the goal of the campaign, per se.
the seizure of power is ("unite,organize,seize power"...).
"community control"...
"electoral wins" are a "means" toward "uniting, organizing, & seizing
power."
it is deceptive to claim that democratic peoples' power can be seized
(from whom?!) through elections exclusively, under an imperialist
dictatorship.
that is, if nbpc wins mayor&council, j&j still holds power.
class struggle.
cliff smith.
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
> "Manufacturing" consent!?!?! Now that's nonsense. How the Campaign
> decides on things is not complicated. You make a proposal ... in
> writing and in advance is the desirable way, so people can discuss
> and think about it if possible. You get it on the agenda. It gets
> discussed in the business meeting and voted on, up, down, or with
> amendments. Nothing precludes other meetings / discussion circles /
> whatever from being formed to formulate ideas, attack proposals,
etc.
>
> As an example: the proposal that the Campaign's focus be electoral
> wins, approved at the June meeting. It was written up, posted on
the
> egroup, discussed at the meeting, and approved. Anyone who felt
that
> the Campaign's goals ought to be something other than electoral
wins,
> was free to vote down the proposal. A majority felt otherwise.
> Nothing manufactured there.
>
> Nor, strictly speaking, was anything "manufactured" by the
admittedly
> disappointing vote to readmit SWORD. (reserving judgment on the
> qualifications of some voters for the time being). Mass
> participation in our meetings is expressly provided for in our
> procedures. That SWORD's faction won can be more attributed to
> community members' failure to attend our meetings, not a lack of
> democratic procedure within the Campaign.
>
> Also, FYI, to my knowledge, the People's Campaign Center plan has
not
> been repealed. To the contrary, I think that most people recognize
> that an organization like ours, whose goals are to win two defined
> electoral campaigns, needs a physical headquarters. Thus, just like
> the opposition to Schundler is a MEANS of accomplishing our GOAL of
> electoral wins, so too is the People's Campaign Center a MEANS of
> accomplishing those GOALS. That some of the people who were leading
> the People's Campaign Center committee have not followed through on
> their assigned tasks is unfortunate as well but I do not equate that
> with abandonment of the proposal.
>
> One last comment: I do not belittle the need to study theory and
> history. I would like to hear some theoretical and historical
> analysis of how we clean the machine's clock in 2001 and 2002, not
> the value of Bettleheim.
>
>
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
wrote:
> > Jeremy,
> > One of the reason that I posted the piece you mentioned was that I
> think that the
> > campaign has a tendency towards "manufacturing consent" rather
than
> participatory
> > democracy. Though I wouldn't advocate it for the campaign the
ideal
> of democractic
> > centralism is that thorough going discussion proceeds decisions
and
> are followed by
> > unity of action even by dissenters who are not only allowed but
> encouraged to continue
> > to raise their dissent in the future. This is ideal for a
> revolutionary organziation
> > because it allows unity of action in bloc. But as I said
democratic
> centralism is not
> > appropriate for the campaign.
> >
> > Anyway as to this debate, I don't think that the vote last
saturday
> was a perfect
> > expression of the public will or even democratic principles,
> however it was a perfect
> > expression of the form of democrcay that has come to dominate in
> the People's
> > Campaign. If one of the results of that decision is a more serious
> consideration of
> > what it means to function democratically I would be very happy.
> >
> > I also feel that the whole issue of democracy within the campaign
> is being raised at
> > this time because it is the first time that a certain clique has
> lost a vote.
> > Unfortunately this discussion was not happening prior to the
latest
> decision. I think
> > that the principles that you outlined below would be a fine place
> to start.
> >
> > As an ideological aside I think that the liberal idea of democracy
> is exactly what
> > Chomsky called "manufacturing consent" the idea of a participatory
> democracy is
> > outside of the liberal conception. For the liberal the point of
> democracy is to be
> > able to pursue private interests (usually involving some
> exploiattion) while what I
> > think that what we want from a working class standpoint or radical
> democratic if you
> > prefer is mass participation and an enlargement of the public
> sphere and public
> > control resting on the assumption that human beings are social
> animals and that
> > co-operation is essential to our survival if we want to live
> without exploitation,
> > coercion and oppression.
> >
> > Since you weren't at the meeting I will add, that I argued to end
> the expulsion of
> > sword. I don't agree that what we now need is an interegation of
> why people voted the
> > way they did. I understand why people voted the way they did and
> that is their right.
> > But to explain my own actions, firstly I opposse on principle the
> policy of expelling
> > leftist even if they are ultra-leftist. I think that this was done
> much to flippantly
> > in the first place. It is not the practice of Lenin or Mao (not
> that you care in
> > particular, but for the record) who worked with Trotsky and the
> gang of four
> > respectively even while criticizing them. I won't make a dogma out
> of it but generally
> > speaking there should be extraordinary circumstances. I also find
> it odd that we would
> > work with republicans and not sword.
> >
> > A second reason is that there is a very distinct right trend that
> has emerged in the
> > campaign. Part of that trend I already mentioned as far as the
> discussion of
> > democrcay, some other aspects are the trading of political work
for
> social service (ie
> > office space club house whatever), the narrowing of the struggle
to
> its the most
> > parochial features, the repeated attempts to suppress discussion
> and debate, the
> > belittling of theory, the refusal to be self-critical etc.
> >
> > In my opinion these are right wing mistakes that need to be
> corrected in order to move
> > forward, I think that sword will be allies in that struggle.
> >
> > There already exists some kind of code of conduct, if people feel
> the need to expound
> > it and include basic things like an end to profanity and name
> calling in place of
> > polemic and discussion, though it seems profoundly childish that
we
> need such things
> > but I guess practice has proven that we do, I would support that.
> >
> > I am opposed to explusions that are motivated by desire for
> personal power or stifling
> > dissent or eliminating a political line that someone may not agree
> with but does not
> > violate our principles of unity or our platform(a note for the
> slow: the republicans
> > oppose our platform).
> >
> > While some members of sword have not been the most reasonable
> people and often tended
> > to revert to school yard antics like name calling and profainity,
I
> think that those
> > tendencies can be criticized and eliminated without expelling the
> organization.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > jagross66@h... wrote:
> >
> > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general
> > > principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of
> the
> > > public' into the message ...
> > >
> > > When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean
> > > something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of
> > > values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely
> > > referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following
> is a
> > > cursory list, but it covers most of the bases :
> > >
> > > 1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate,
> and
> > > guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the
piece
> > > Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist-
> > > Leninist would agree to some extent).
> > >
> > > 2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A
> > > course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously
> adopted
> > > by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much
> reservation
> > > and extensive deliberation.
> > >
> > > 3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the
> organization
> > > officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not
by
> > > their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology.
The
> > > flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's
> arguments
> > > _entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that
religion
> or
> > > ideology.
> > >
> > > 4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique
> that
> > > can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and
> > > undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under
> which a
> > > democratic vote can exist.
> > >
> > > 5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is
> > > meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries
> include
> > > the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of
> the 'will
> > > of the public' (see #2).
> > >
> > > An additional note of commentary:
> > >
> > > a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of
> anything
> > > that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense,
> including
> > > a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they
are
> > > not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform-
> minded
> > > organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to
> > > argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected'
> city
> > > council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is
> > > undemocratic.
> > >
> > > b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves
to
> > > attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'.
Not
> > > everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references,
> through
> > > references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon,
> through
> > > the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most
> people
> > > can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal
> > > politics.
> > >
> > > I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want
> > > elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a
> > > certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will
presume
> the
> > > conversation to be over.
> > >
> > > Yours,
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> > >
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the open vote to rectify sword's expulsion was 1000x's more democratic than the closed vote to expel. cs --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > Flavio, > > I support the idea that the campaign be focused on electoral politics. An office for > that is fine though that was not what was voted on at the campaign meeting. It was the > peoples community center for democrac or some such thing. An office with a phone and > photocopier is something else though neither should be put before political work. > > I think we also agree that the vote to re-admit sword happened in the same fashion as > very other vote in the campaign. > (you are wrong about eligibility by campaign rules) > > But it is interesting that this vote would cause so much discussion about procedure > and little about anything else. Procedure is not suppossed to be a battering ram to > eleimnate political ideas or votes thatyou don't agree with. > > I think that the vote on the "community cenetr" was a classic example of manufactured > consent. Some 50 people voted in favor of it never to be heard from again. > how would you explain that. > > As far as winning the election in 2002. I think that Joe is right win he says get rid > of the right wing work in the community. > The people of New Brunswick are instinctively anti-republican (and their instincts are > correct) regardless of how many people like Frank Bright. When we unite with > republicans we give the appearance that we are attacking the local democrats from the > right rather than the left. This was fatal in November 2000 and will be fatal in 2002 > if it is not corrected. > > Our commitment to electoral politics should look like this. Always opposse > republicans. opposse democrats were we can win, support them when we can't and there > is a greater danger, and work to end the domination of two parties in favor of a > multi-party system. > > This is simple and would win us broad support and once we showed its effectiveness in > practice it will be easy to raise money for office space. > > It is the only winning strategy for 2002. > > The reason for all the confusion and commotion is that we can not have a broad > discussion of this question to re-order the camapaign on the footing the I set forth > above. So we inch foward with band aid solutions. My advocacy of purging the > republicans and re-admitting Sword stems from the desire to put the campign on the > footing stated above. > > That is the only winning strategy for 2002. > > > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > "Manufacturing" consent!?!?! Now that's nonsense. How the Campaign > > decides on things is not complicated. You make a proposal ... in > > writing and in advance is the desirable way, so people can discuss > > and think about it if possible. You get it on the agenda. It gets > > discussed in the business meeting and voted on, up, down, or with > > amendments. Nothing precludes other meetings / discussion circles / > > whatever from being formed to formulate ideas, attack proposals, etc. > > > > As an example: the proposal that the Campaign's focus be electoral > > wins, approved at the June meeting. It was written up, posted on the > > egroup, discussed at the meeting, and approved. Anyone who felt that > > the Campaign's goals ought to be something other than electoral wins, > > was free to vote down the proposal. A majority felt otherwise. > > Nothing manufactured there. > > > > Nor, strictly speaking, was anything "manufactured" by the admittedly > > disappointing vote to readmit SWORD. (reserving judgment on the > > qualifications of some voters for the time being). Mass > > participation in our meetings is expressly provided for in our > > procedures. That SWORD's faction won can be more attributed to > > community members' failure to attend our meetings, not a lack of > > democratic procedure within the Campaign. > > > > Also, FYI, to my knowledge, the People's Campaign Center plan has not > > been repealed. To the contrary, I think that most people recognize > > that an organization like ours, whose goals are to win two defined > > electoral campaigns, needs a physical headquarters. Thus, just like > > the opposition to Schundler is a MEANS of accomplishing our GOAL of > > electoral wins, so too is the People's Campaign Center a MEANS of > > accomplishing those GOALS. That some of the people who were leading > > the People's Campaign Center committee have not followed through on > > their assigned tasks is unfortunate as well but I do not equate that > > with abandonment of the proposal. > > > > One last comment: I do not belittle the need to study theory and > > history. I would like to hear some theoretical and historical > > analysis of how we clean the machine's clock in 2001 and 2002, not > > the value of Bettleheim. > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > > > Jeremy, > > > One of the reason that I posted the piece you mentioned was that I > > think that the > > > campaign has a tendency towards "manufacturing consent" rather than > > participatory > > > democracy. Though I wouldn't advocate it for the campaign the ideal > > of democractic > > > centralism is that thorough going discussion proceeds decisions and > > are followed by > > > unity of action even by dissenters who are not only allowed but > > encouraged to continue > > > to raise their dissent in the future. This is ideal for a > > revolutionary organziation > > > because it allows unity of action in bloc. But as I said democratic > > centralism is not > > > appropriate for the campaign. > > > > > > Anyway as to this debate, I don't think that the vote last saturday > > was a perfect > > > expression of the public will or even democratic principles, > > however it was a perfect > > > expression of the form of democrcay that has come to dominate in > > the People's > > > Campaign. If one of the results of that decision is a more serious > > consideration of > > > what it means to function democratically I would be very happy. > > > > > > I also feel that the whole issue of democracy within the campaign > > is being raised at > > > this time because it is the first time that a certain clique has > > lost a vote. > > > Unfortunately this discussion was not happening prior to the latest > > decision. I think > > > that the principles that you outlined below would be a fine place > > to start. > > > > > > As an ideological aside I think that the liberal idea of democracy > > is exactly what > > > Chomsky called "manufacturing consent" the idea of a participatory > > democracy is > > > outside of the liberal conception. For the liberal the point of > > democracy is to be > > > able to pursue private interests (usually involving some > > exploiattion) while what I > > > think that what we want from a working class standpoint or radical > > democratic if you > > > prefer is mass participation and an enlargement of the public > > sphere and public > > > control resting on the assumption that human beings are social > > animals and that > > > co-operation is essential to our survival if we want to live > > without exploitation, > > > coercion and oppression. > > > > > > Since you weren't at the meeting I will add, that I argued to end > > the expulsion of > > > sword. I don't agree that what we now need is an interegation of > > why people voted the > > > way they did. I understand why people voted the way they did and > > that is their right. > > > But to explain my own actions, firstly I opposse on principle the > > policy of expelling > > > leftist even if they are ultra-leftist. I think that this was done > > much to flippantly > > > in the first place. It is not the practice of Lenin or Mao (not > > that you care in > > > particular, but for the record) who worked with Trotsky and the > > gang of four > > > respectively even while criticizing them. I won't make a dogma out > > of it but generally > > > speaking there should be extraordinary circumstances. I also find > > it odd that we would > > > work with republicans and not sword. > > > > > > A second reason is that there is a very distinct right trend that > > has emerged in the > > > campaign. Part of that trend I already mentioned as far as the > > discussion of > > > democrcay, some other aspects are the trading of political work for > > social service (ie > > > office space club house whatever), the narrowing of the struggle to > > its the most > > > parochial features, the repeated attempts to suppress discussion > > and debate, the > > > belittling of theory, the refusal to be self-critical etc. > > > > > > In my opinion these are right wing mistakes that need to be > > corrected in order to move > > > forward, I think that sword will be allies in that struggle. > > > > > > There already exists some kind of code of conduct, if people feel > > the need to expound > > > it and include basic things like an end to profanity and name > > calling in place of > > > polemic and discussion, though it seems profoundly childish that we > > need such things > > > but I guess practice has proven that we do, I would support that. > > > > > > I am opposed to explusions that are motivated by desire for > > personal power or stifling > > > dissent or eliminating a political line that someone may not agree > > with but does not > > > violate our principles of unity or our platform(a note for the > > slow: the republicans > > > oppose our platform). > > > > > > While some members of sword have not been the most reasonable > > people and often tended > > > to revert to school yard antics like name calling and profainity, I > > think that those > > > tendencies can be criticized and eliminated without expelling the > > organization. > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > jagross66@h... wrote: > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > Allow me to reframe the problem slightly in terms of general > > > > principles. I tried to incorporate your notion of the 'will of > > the > > > > public' into the message ... > > > > > > > > When I spoke of "liberal democratic norms" below, I did not mean > > > > something like "neoliberal economic values" or "the full set of > > > > values typically embraced by centrist liberals". I was merely > > > > referring certain very, very basic liberal norms. The following > > is a > > > > cursory list, but it covers most of the bases : > > > > > > > > 1) An emphasis on procedures that ensure fair and open debate, > > and > > > > guarantee room for productive dissent. (If you look at the piece > > > > Keith posted up, you'll see that even an 'old-school' Marxist- > > > > Leninist would agree to some extent). > > > > > > > > 2) An acceptance of the values of precedent and continuity. A > > > > course of action, a vote, a set of rules that were previously > > adopted > > > > by democratic means ought to be abandoned only with much > > reservation > > > > and extensive deliberation. > > > > > > > > 3) The idea that people are to be judged, as far as the > > organization > > > > officially cares, by their arguments and their actions, and not by > > > > their beliefs, worldview, or their self-proclaimed ideology. The > > > > flipside of this is that one has a duty not to make one's > > arguments > > > > _entirely_ bound to professions of faith in this or that religion > > or > > > > ideology. > > > > > > > > 4) A limited, critical view of voting. A vote is a technique > > that > > > > can be employed in many different contexts, democratic and > > > > undemocratic. #1, 2 and 3 above provide the framework under > > which a > > > > democratic vote can exist. > > > > > > > > 5) An effective recognition that the 'will of the public' is > > > > meaningless outside of certain boundaries. Those boundaries > > include > > > > the actions of an elected leadership, and previous acts of > > the 'will > > > > of the public' (see #2). > > > > > > > > An additional note of commentary: > > > > > > > > a) You'll note that these are largely the alleged norms of > > anything > > > > that tries to call itself 'democratic' in a liberal sense, > > including > > > > a city council in New Jersey. Precisely because of this, they are > > > > not only necessary to guide the internal affairs of a reform- > > minded > > > > organization. They also are necessary if one is going to try to > > > > argue that, for example, an allegedly 'democratically elected' > > city > > > > council is truly undemocratic, or that its legislation is > > > > undemocratic. > > > > > > > > b) You'll observe that #3 has an implicit function. It serves to > > > > attempt to keep people speaking largely the same 'language'. Not > > > > everyone can communicate ideas through Biblical references, > > through > > > > references to ancient Roman history, through Marxist jargon, > > through > > > > the terms of this or that philosopher, and so forth. But most > > people > > > > can in some capacity speak the language of (American) liberal > > > > politics. > > > > > > > > I can't think of much else to say on the matter. If you want > > > > elaboration on a certain point, or care to rationally debate a > > > > certain point, I will happily respond. Otherwise, I will presume > > the > > > > conversation to be over. > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > Jeremy > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign- > > unsubscribe@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Cliff:
you are mistaken. The Membership adopted the following at the
6/30/01 meeting:
"[T]he following two points are adopted as the purposes of
the New Brunswick People's Campaign effective immediately:
1. To win the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability
Ordinance of 2001 by a popular referendum to be held at the 2001
general election....
2. To win the mayor's seat and the two city council
seats which will be open in the 2002 general election, running on a
progressive platform demonstrably supported by the people as measured
through surveying and a vote at a people's convention."
Therefore, electoral wins are in fact the per se goal of the
Campaign. You may not like the fact that the Campaign has defined
clear and winnable objectives, focused on New Brunswick, instead of
slogans, mantras, and ideology, but that's what it is.
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote:
> for the record:
>
> "electoral wins" are not the goal of the campaign, per se.
>
> the seizure of power is ("unite,organize,seize power"...).
> "community control"...
>
> "electoral wins" are a "means" toward "uniting, organizing, &
seizing
> power."
>
> it is deceptive to claim that democratic peoples' power can be
seized
> (from whom?!) through elections exclusively, under an imperialist
> dictatorship.
>
> that is, if nbpc wins mayor&council, j&j still holds power.
>
> class struggle.
> cliff smith.
>
Keith,
my recollection is that BOL expulsion was effectively appealed to the
membership at a general meeting. Specifically, I recall that Tamara
had written a letter effectively appealing the decision, and at a
membership meeting in the backyard of the Campaign HQ, the points in
the letter were essentially dismissed. Perhaps my memory does not
serve right, but if it does, I would take that as a de facto
affirmance of the SC expulsion order in a democratic general meeting.
The readmission vote now seems procedurally valid based upon Lou's
statements confirming that the voters there did actual work for the
Campaign in the 6 months preceding the vote. As a result, the NB
residents of SWORD covered by the expulsion order who have been at
general meetings are entitled to access nbpcmembers. This would
cover Joe, Cliff and Tamara, and perhaps others. SWORD members who
would not qualify for membership under current rules are, of course,
not entitled to access until they qualify as members.
Also, I am interested in learning what changes you advocate to
improve the decision-making framework of the group. Obviously, more
discussion is a good thing, but when the rubber hits the road, and
it's time to vote, who is entitled to cast ballots? I would welcome
your ideas on the matter.
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
> Two points,
> first, Cliff is correct that the decision to expel sword took place
in a steering
> committee meeting.
>
> Secondly, the vote was 8 to 5 to adopt the purpose that you list
below. Out of the
> eight, 3 were Tracy Ford's kids (who are how old? and have done
what?) and on top of
> those three, one was Ford himself and the other was Bright.
>
> What's good for the goose is good for the gander. But, maybe we
should admit that the
> current attempts at democracy in the campaign leave something to be
desired. And agree
> to come up with a better framework.
>
> Keith
>
> Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
>
> > Cliff:
> >
> > you are mistaken. The Membership adopted the following at the
> > 6/30/01 meeting:
> >
> > "[T]he following two points are adopted as the purposes of
> > the New Brunswick People's Campaign effective immediately:
> >
> > 1. To win the New Brunswick Democracy and
Accountability
> > Ordinance of 2001 by a popular referendum to be held at the 2001
> > general election....
> >
> > 2. To win the mayor's seat and the two city council
> > seats which will be open in the 2002 general election, running on
a
> > progressive platform demonstrably supported by the people as
measured
> > through surveying and a vote at a people's convention."
> >
> > Therefore, electoral wins are in fact the per se goal of the
> > Campaign. You may not like the fact that the Campaign has defined
> > clear and winnable objectives, focused on New Brunswick, instead
of
> > slogans, mantras, and ideology, but that's what it is.
> >
> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote:
> > > for the record:
> > >
> > > "electoral wins" are not the goal of the campaign, per se.
> > >
> > > the seizure of power is ("unite,organize,seize power"...).
> > > "community control"...
> > >
> > > "electoral wins" are a "means" toward "uniting, organizing, &
> > seizing
> > > power."
> > >
> > > it is deceptive to claim that democratic peoples' power can be
> > seized
> > > (from whom?!) through elections exclusively, under an
imperialist
> > > dictatorship.
> > >
> > > that is, if nbpc wins mayor&council, j&j still holds power.
> > >
> > > class struggle.
> > > cliff smith.
> > >
> >
> > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e...
> >
> > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-
unsubscribe@e...
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
flavio, maybe you can find an explaination why tamara was expelled weeks
after me from a women's caucus meeting with no vote, no reason given, and no
general membership decision?
joe
>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re:Revolutionaries SI! Republicans NO!!
>Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:20:44 -0000
>
>Keith,
>
>my recollection is that BOL expulsion was effectively appealed to the
>membership at a general meeting. Specifically, I recall that Tamara
>had written a letter effectively appealing the decision, and at a
>membership meeting in the backyard of the Campaign HQ, the points in
>the letter were essentially dismissed. Perhaps my memory does not
>serve right, but if it does, I would take that as a de facto
>affirmance of the SC expulsion order in a democratic general meeting.
>
>The readmission vote now seems procedurally valid based upon Lou's
>statements confirming that the voters there did actual work for the
>Campaign in the 6 months preceding the vote. As a result, the NB
>residents of SWORD covered by the expulsion order who have been at
>general meetings are entitled to access nbpcmembers. This would
>cover Joe, Cliff and Tamara, and perhaps others. SWORD members who
>would not qualify for membership under current rules are, of course,
>not entitled to access until they qualify as members.
>
>Also, I am interested in learning what changes you advocate to
>improve the decision-making framework of the group. Obviously, more
>discussion is a good thing, but when the rubber hits the road, and
>it's time to vote, who is entitled to cast ballots? I would welcome
>your ideas on the matter.
>
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
> > Two points,
> > first, Cliff is correct that the decision to expel sword took place
>in a steering
> > committee meeting.
> >
> > Secondly, the vote was 8 to 5 to adopt the purpose that you list
>below. Out of the
> > eight, 3 were Tracy Ford's kids (who are how old? and have done
>what?) and on top of
> > those three, one was Ford himself and the other was Bright.
> >
> > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. But, maybe we
>should admit that the
> > current attempts at democracy in the campaign leave something to be
>desired. And agree
> > to come up with a better framework.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
> >
> > > Cliff:
> > >
> > > you are mistaken. The Membership adopted the following at the
> > > 6/30/01 meeting:
> > >
> > > "[T]he following two points are adopted as the purposes of
> > > the New Brunswick People's Campaign effective immediately:
> > >
> > > 1. To win the New Brunswick Democracy and
>Accountability
> > > Ordinance of 2001 by a popular referendum to be held at the 2001
> > > general election....
> > >
> > > 2. To win the mayor's seat and the two city council
> > > seats which will be open in the 2002 general election, running on
>a
> > > progressive platform demonstrably supported by the people as
>measured
> > > through surveying and a vote at a people's convention."
> > >
> > > Therefore, electoral wins are in fact the per se goal of the
> > > Campaign. You may not like the fact that the Campaign has defined
> > > clear and winnable objectives, focused on New Brunswick, instead
>of
> > > slogans, mantras, and ideology, but that's what it is.
> > >
> > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote:
> > > > for the record:
> > > >
> > > > "electoral wins" are not the goal of the campaign, per se.
> > > >
> > > > the seizure of power is ("unite,organize,seize power"...).
> > > > "community control"...
> > > >
> > > > "electoral wins" are a "means" toward "uniting, organizing, &
> > > seizing
> > > > power."
> > > >
> > > > it is deceptive to claim that democratic peoples' power can be
> > > seized
> > > > (from whom?!) through elections exclusively, under an
>imperialist
> > > > dictatorship.
> > > >
> > > > that is, if nbpc wins mayor&council, j&j still holds power.
> > > >
> > > > class struggle.
> > > > cliff smith.
> > > >
> > >
> > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e...
> > >
> > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-
>unsubscribe@e...
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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I do not have an answer to your question as I was neither GC or on
the SC at the time in question (circa June 2000).
But are you alleging that Tamara wasn't covered by the BOL expulsion
order? If not, how can you now claim she is covered by the
reinstatement order which reversed the BOL order?
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> flavio, maybe you can find an explaination why tamara was expelled
weeks
> after me from a women's caucus meeting with no vote, no reason
given, and no
> general membership decision?
>
> joe
>
>
>
> >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: [nbpc] Re:Revolutionaries SI! Republicans NO!!
> >Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:20:44 -0000
> >
> >Keith,
> >
> >my recollection is that BOL expulsion was effectively appealed to
the
> >membership at a general meeting. Specifically, I recall that
Tamara
> >had written a letter effectively appealing the decision, and at a
> >membership meeting in the backyard of the Campaign HQ, the points
in
> >the letter were essentially dismissed. Perhaps my memory does not
> >serve right, but if it does, I would take that as a de facto
> >affirmance of the SC expulsion order in a democratic general
meeting.
> >
> >The readmission vote now seems procedurally valid based upon Lou's
> >statements confirming that the voters there did actual work for the
> >Campaign in the 6 months preceding the vote. As a result, the NB
> >residents of SWORD covered by the expulsion order who have been at
> >general meetings are entitled to access nbpcmembers. This would
> >cover Joe, Cliff and Tamara, and perhaps others. SWORD members who
> >would not qualify for membership under current rules are, of
course,
> >not entitled to access until they qualify as members.
> >
> >Also, I am interested in learning what changes you advocate to
> >improve the decision-making framework of the group. Obviously,
more
> >discussion is a good thing, but when the rubber hits the road, and
> >it's time to vote, who is entitled to cast ballots? I would
welcome
> >your ideas on the matter.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
wrote:
> > > Two points,
> > > first, Cliff is correct that the decision to expel sword took
place
> >in a steering
> > > committee meeting.
> > >
> > > Secondly, the vote was 8 to 5 to adopt the purpose that you
list
> >below. Out of the
> > > eight, 3 were Tracy Ford's kids (who are how old? and have done
> >what?) and on top of
> > > those three, one was Ford himself and the other was Bright.
> > >
> > > What's good for the goose is good for the gander. But, maybe we
> >should admit that the
> > > current attempts at democracy in the campaign leave something
to be
> >desired. And agree
> > > to come up with a better framework.
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cliff:
> > > >
> > > > you are mistaken. The Membership adopted the following at the
> > > > 6/30/01 meeting:
> > > >
> > > > "[T]he following two points are adopted as the purposes of
> > > > the New Brunswick People's Campaign effective immediately:
> > > >
> > > > 1. To win the New Brunswick Democracy and
> >Accountability
> > > > Ordinance of 2001 by a popular referendum to be held at the
2001
> > > > general election....
> > > >
> > > > 2. To win the mayor's seat and the two city
council
> > > > seats which will be open in the 2002 general election,
running on
> >a
> > > > progressive platform demonstrably supported by the people as
> >measured
> > > > through surveying and a vote at a people's convention."
> > > >
> > > > Therefore, electoral wins are in fact the per se goal of the
> > > > Campaign. You may not like the fact that the Campaign has
defined
> > > > clear and winnable objectives, focused on New Brunswick,
instead
> >of
> > > > slogans, mantras, and ideology, but that's what it is.
> > > >
> > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote:
> > > > > for the record:
> > > > >
> > > > > "electoral wins" are not the goal of the campaign, per se.
> > > > >
> > > > > the seizure of power is ("unite,organize,seize power"...).
> > > > > "community control"...
> > > > >
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----Original Message Follows---- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Protest if Amy Goodman is fired Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:36:49 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bob Lederer <ledererbob@...> > Subject: Protest if Amy Goodman is fired > > The anonymous email below, posted this morning on the WBAI Goodlights > Message Board, is the latest of many pieces of evidence that Amy > Goodman is in serious danger of being fired very soon, ostensibly for > refusing to stop saying "From the studios of the banned and the > fired" etc. In order to be prepared, the Action Committee of > Concerned Friends of WBAI last night decided on the following > contingency plan: > > If you tune in at 9 am and do not hear Amy's voice on Democracy Now, > we will rally the next day (unless it occurs on Friday) from > 7:00-10:00 a.m. in front of the station at 120 Wall St. If that > occurs on Friday, we will rally at noon on Saturday in front of the > station. If you hear an old re-run of her show, call the Concerned > Friends hotline at 800-825-0055 for the latest information on our > response. If Amy is removed from the air, we will announce a > phone/email pressure campaign on specific Pacifica officials, as well > as a town meeting within several days to involve many people in > mobilizing a broad range of actions. > > In the meantime, remember Bernard White's words, "Stay strong and pay > close attention." > > Bob Lederer > Fired and Banned WBAI Producer > **************************************** > > UNCONFIRMED RUMOR THAT YASKO AND WASH ARE IN NY > TO FIRE AMY THIS MORNING FROM MY FRIEND IN DC > Wed Aug 8 05:48:31 2001 > > I just got an email from a friend of mine who is peripherally > connected to the pacifica office in Washington. she says that yasko > and wash have gone up to NY to lower the boom on Amy this morning. It > makes sense to me since they just got rid of Knight and Lederer and > now their going after the last real survivor. my friend says they > realize this will cause and uproar and theyve planned for it. There > will be big holes in the schedules of all the stations that will need > to be filled ASAP. they also have a contingency plan for how the > staffs might react (strike?) and how listeners in NY and Berkeley > will take it. > > This now is mostly speculation but my friend said they may > just jack david corn in starting on thursday morning to start hosting > "Democracy Now" from washington or they might play repeats of Amy for > a week or so. > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > > http://savewbai.tao.ca > > > To unsubscribe from this list > email lists@... with: unsubscribe savewbai > or visit http://lists.tao.ca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
~PLEASE FOWARD TO ANY INTERESTED PARTIES~ *********************************************************************** People's Housing: From Bombay to Newark An Exhibition and Forum at the New Jersey School of Architecture at NJIT in Newark. The United Nations, in June of 2001, hosted an international gathering of Delegates, Officials, and Peoples' Organizations to review the UN Center for Human Settlements' "Habitat-Istanbul 5" Agenda for Housing. It was in Newark where local students, volunteers and activists joined with delegates from India, South Africa, UK and USA to construct an exhibit for the International Slum Dwellers' Federation (an organization for and by the people living in slums around the world) and then installed it at the UN Headquarters in New York City. Kofi Anan, the UN Secretary General, in his visit, emphasized the importance of this endeavor as a significant part of a participatory process by which peoples' groups around the world are working towards their own habitat. Now, this extraordinary exhibit, consisting of a full-size model house and community toilet, as conceived and designed by this poor peoples' collective, has been moved back to Newark at the NJ School of Architecture at NJIT. We intend to use this as a backdrop to initiate a broad and constructive dialogue about peoples' housing locally, while learning from this innovative, international movement. A public exhibition opening and reception will take place on (Tentatively) Wednesday, September 12, 6:30 PM at the NJSOA Gallery. This is to be followed by a forum for affordable housing in Newark, on Saturday, Sept. 25 at 11AM at the same venue. Your participation and input is valuable in shaping the forum discussion. Also, if you are involved in a related project, and would like to contribute to this effort, feel free to bring forth plans, models, images, etc. to enhance the event. We look forward to your response. Matthew Smith, Student NJ School Of Architecture NJIT, (973) 824-2949 vivaohio@... Makrand Bhoot, Director (-P-A-T-H-) Professional Alliance for technology of Habitation (973) 848-0688 makrand@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
http://www.injersey.com/news/backstories.pl?paper=2&id=427915
Police Briefs -- 08.03.01
Published in the Home News Tribune 8/03/01
Middlesex County
TWO MEMBERS OF New Brunswick's Anti-Crime Unit were patrolling Throop Avenue
on June 14 when someone yelled out "narcos," authorities said.
So, the officers pulled into a driveway, where a dice game was being played.
And as they did, a man bolted, authorities said.
The cops gave chase, but the man ran into an apartment, and eventually a
crowd of 30 or 40 people gathered around the officers.
The cops called for backup, and three men in that crowd were arrested, said
Assistant Middlesex County Prosecutor Martha McKinney. Yesterday, a grand
jury handed up an indictment against them, she said.
Kevin Johnson, 20, his brother, Tyshon Johnson, 18, and Clifton Jones, 22,
who allegedly argued and fought with the officers, are facing charges of
riot and resisting arrest.
-- Michelle Sahn
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----Original Message Follows---- From: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> To: Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> Subject: Pacifica Campaign News Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:58:42 -0400 August 10, 2001 To All Supporters of the Pacifica Campaign: The systematic harassment by Pacifica management against Amy Goodman and her national news show, Democracy Now!, which began more than one year ago, has reached a crisis stage. On August 2nd, Steve Yasko, the director of national programming, ordered Amy in an official memo to stop signing off each day with the words she has used since the infamous "Christmas Coup" of last year: "From the embattled studios of WBAI, from the studios of the banned and the fired, from the studios of our listeners. I'm Amy Goodman, thanks for listening to another edition of Democracy Now!" Yasko had been pressuring Amy verbally for weeks to discontinue the sign-off, but she has steadfastly refused his demands as an overt attempt to censor her work. Amy maintains that from a journalistic viewpoint her words are an accurate reflection of the reality at WBAI, where interim station manger Utrice Leid has been conducting a dictatorial purge and a reign of terror against staff, volunteers and listeners who object to her policies. Amy has told management that she will gladly end the sign-off when they stop the banning and the firing, but to remain silent would compromise her integrity. When Amy continued to use the slogan the next day, Yasko notified her in writing that she was guilty of "deliberate insubordination" and her union representative told her that she could be fired at any moment. Early this week, Yasko came to New York from Washington and was at the WBAI station moments before Amy and her staff were about to begin a live broadcast of DN!. With Yasko looking on, Leid ordered the DN! staff out of the station's main studio and made them broadcast from an inferior sub-studio, one without a clock and terrible phone lines. The national show, the most popular and acclaimed in the history of the network, has now been permanently relegated to this sub-studio without any explanation by either Leid or Yasko as to why. In addition, the expensive new security and surveillance system installed by Leid in recent weeks has created a virtual fascist atmosphere at WBAI. Not only must every employee use a card key to enter the station, but Leid has mandated that each card key be programmed so that they provide access to the station for only certain time periods -- typically one hour before a producer's show begins and one hour after it concludes. Amy and the other employees cannot gain entrance to the station at other times unless Leid approves it. Even major capitalist corporations don't have such stringent security access and so many surveillance cameras. The work environment at WBAI today more resembles the Pentagon and the CIA than a radical, community radio station. In addition, the open hostility against Amy by Leid's loyal followers at the station has reached the point where some have taken to shouting her down at staff meetings and physically intimidating her to leave. Amy's written complaints to Pacifica management about racist and sexist remarks made by Leid and her loyalists, and the violent undercurrent, are routinely ignored. Her complaints about Leid's sabotaging of Democracy Now! by denying Amy's team access to the main studios have gone unanswered. Pacifica management has the gall to periodically ask listeners to donate money to support Democracy Now! while it is doing everything possible to make life impossible for the program and its staff. The reason for this contradictory stance is simple -- Amy, like many past and present employees at Pacifica -- refuses to go along with steady destruction of independent programming, free speech and progressive news coverage at the network. And precisely because Democracy Now! is so popular, Leid, Yasko and network director Bessie Wash, are determined to set an example by breaking her. It is amazing that she has managed to survive and continue producing a quality daily show under such conditions. But no one should have to tolerate such harassment. In recent weeks, Leid has fired, suspended or banned a new group of WBAI producers, among them Polk Award winning journalist Robert Knight, and producers Bob Lederer and Kathy Davis, and more firings are bound to occur. Just as we in the Pacifica Campaign have warned, Leid, Wash and the corporate clique are seeking to create a macabre new reality on the ground while they desperately attempt to hold off the listeners' intifada for democracy. This new round of "assassinations" by this renegade clique only reflects how rabid they are becoming the closer they get to defeat. We don't know what the coming week will bring for Democracy Now!, but we do know that the systematic harassment has become intolerable for Amy and her staff. We urge you to call and/or e-mail Bessie Wash, Utrice Leid and Ken Ford, the vice-chair of the Pacifica Board, as well as other Board members. You can get their contact information on the Pacifica Campaign web site at (See below). Tell them to stop the harassment of Amy immediately. Be civil, but be firm and insistent. And while you're at it, tell Ken Ford to read the handwriting on the wall. Pacifica is not his plaything. It is a peoples' institution and a public trust. His time is up and he should resign. Venceremos, Juan Gonzalez ************************ CONTACT INFO Stop the Harassment of Democracy Now! WBAI Acting GM Utrice Leid Tel: 212-209-2800/2820 Fax: 212-747-1698 E-mail: uleid@... Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash Tel: 202-588-0999 x 348 or 888-770-4944 x348 Fax: 202-588-0561 E-mail: bmwpacifica@... Pacifica Board Vice Chair Ken Ford Tel: 202-822-0228 Fax: 202-822-0369 E-mail: kenfordpacifica@..., kford@... Pacifica Board member Wendell L. Johns Tel: 202-752-5355 Fax: 202-752-4281 E-mail: wendell_L_johns@... Pacifica Board member Valrie Chambers Tel: 361-825-6012 Fax: 281-655-0266 E-mail: Valrie.Chambers@..., valriechambers@... Cut the below list of email addresses, paste it into the To: line of your email composition form. Also go to: http://www.progressiveportal.org/letters/pacifica/resign/ Bmwpacifica@..., uleid@..., kford@..., KenFordPacifica@..., jmurdock@..., wendell_L_johns@..., Alfigo@..., valriechambers@..., Valrie.Chambers@..., pacificacampaign@... ********************* The Pacifica Campaign is a grass-roots organization representing listeners and staff alike, fighting to preserve Pacifica's 50-year tradition of progressive, community-based radio. 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Check out interview below for ILWU on Confederate Flag, Republican Agenda, 'Charleston 5', Labor/Civil Rights Coalition.... Subject: [poprogress] Fwd: [BRC-NEWS] An Interview with Ken Riley Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 10:00:42 -0400 Info on the Charleston 5. From: Michael Honey <mhoney@...> To: brc-news@... Subject: [BRC-NEWS] An Interview with Ken Riley Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 05:02:07 -0400 (EDT) August 9, 2001 An Interview with Ken Riley By Michael Honey <mhoney@...> On July 19, International Longshoremen's Association (ILA) Local 1422 President Ken Riley, of Charleston, South Carolina, spoke at a rally held in the parking lot of Local 19, International Longshore and Warehouse Union, in Seattle. Hundreds of longshore workers and union supporters turned out. That night, Riley spoke again at a community rally in the ILWU Local 23 hall in Tacoma. All up and down the west coast, the ILWU has rallied support for the Charleston Five, and 5,000 rallied on their behalf in Charleston June 9. The National Education Association (2.6 million members) and the AFL-CIO have come out strongly in support of the Charleston Five, five black workers who were beaten up and then arrested by state troopers in January 2000. ILA members had been picketing a Danish company named Nordana, which tried to bust the solidly unionized Port of Charleston by using non-union labor at half the wages paid to union members. State Attorney General Charlie Condon, who chaired the George Bush campaign in the state and is planning to run for Governor, sent in six hundred troopers in riot gear, who clubbed Riley on the head (the wound took twelve stitches) and provoked a confrontation. Although the courts threw out charges of inciting to riot against the workers for lack of evidence, Condon, who says he is protecting "the right to work," got a grand jury indictment and is trying to bolster South Carolina's anti-union climate by punishing black workers, the most organized group in the state. These five men have been under house arrest for 18 months, from 7 pm to 7 am. They can't go to rallies nor travel out of state without violating the terms of their bond. "This is to send a very chilling message to every worker in South Carolina, to say that if something should happen on a picket line, you are going to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law," Riley told the rally. The men could get five years in prison on charges of inciting a riot. The state also sued 27 other union workers for civil damages. The case has provoked tremendous labor solidarity. Spanish dockworkers refused to cooperate with Nordana until it hired union labor in Charleston, which it now has, and the ILWU has raised over a hundred thousand dollars and is threatening to shut down the ports if the case goes to trial this September. Longshore workers see the case as an opening attack on organized dockworkers similar to those that took place in Liverpool and Australia, and a first attempt to break up the agreements Harry Bridges and others negotiated with port authorities in the 1960s, by turning containerized freight over to non-union labor. Bill Fletcher of the AFL-CIO calls it a blatant attempt to intimidate black workers who are increasingly organizing the South. There are three separate locals in the Charleston port, of black dock workers, white checkers and clerks, and white and black mechanics. They have all joined together to stop union busting. Four of the Charleston Five are black, one is white. Mike Honey, the Harry Bridges Chair of Labor Studies at the University of Washington, conducted the following interview with Ken Riley at the Local 23 ILWU headquarters in Seattle. For more from the Harry Bridges Center for Labor Studies, see the web site at: http://depts.washington.edu/pcls/Center_for_labor_studies.htm ************************************************************* HONEY: Could you tell us a little about the history of your local? RILEY: Our deep sea local was formed in 1936. We have two white members. The clerks and checkers local, on the other hand, is all white. The first blacks are just now trying to make their way into that local. That's the way its been throughout the history of the South, most of your southern ports were like this. And like you say, its's not by accident, blacks were recruited to do the hard, back-breaking tasks on the waterfront. Right after the Civil War, blacks formed the longshore protective association in Charleston, so blacks were somewhat organized, but it's not until 1936 that they joined the ILA (International Longshoremen's Association). HONEY: Are these attacks on your union something that's happened before, or is this something new? RILEY: The attacks on us today are a direct result of our awakening to the fact that we do have responsibilities that extend beyond our membership, but to their families, their community, and to our state. When we recognize the problems plaguing us, and geting involved in local and state government, that's when we then become a target. We are supposed to stay in our places. As long as we were being quiet and dormant, focusing only on our work, we were ok. But when you get involved, you are singled out in our state. Especially in a state where unions are not welcomed, where there's open hostility toward you. It's not a subtle thing, it's not a hidden thing. When the Republican Party can announce that the two top items on their agenda for the year 2000 was number one, education, and number two, to rid the state of labor unions and union influence in state government, you know it's open season. It's not something you have to wonder about. You know they are against unions. You have the state Chamber of Commerce boasting that "we are the most powerful in the country, because we can in fact write our own legislation." Big business controls the state, through the state Chamber of Commerce. Since all this foreign capital started coming into our state and into the South, the state Chamber now solely focuses on the multi-national corporation and their agenda. They carry forth their agenda, to the extent that the small to mid-size businesses, their goals and their agendas are no longer being looked at. They're now looking at forming a new chamber for the small and mid-size businesses. The BMW, the Michelins, German capital, they are coming to the South. HONEY: They're looking for low-paying, non-union labor, in a "right to work" state. RILEY: Absolutely. Promoting low-paying jobs. Right now we're about 4.2 percent organized in South Carolina. A couple years ago we were 3.8 percent. When unions started to organize more in the last couple years, a grass-roots alert went out to all the businesses that union activities are on the rise, beware. They started holding seminars of how to bust unions, defeat a union campaign. When we began to hear about these seminars, we decided we were going to join the State Chamber of Commerce, to make it uncomfortable for them to talk about labor unions the way they are. We applied for membership twice and paid the fees... They said our philosophy was not the same as theirs. They told us they were about enhancing the quality of life for all the citizens, and we said we can agree with that! The union runs a hiring hall, and therefore is an employer, one that goes along with fair employment standards, but they denied us membership. HONEY: There have been a lot of struggles in South Carolina around the Confederate flag. Are the civil rights forces now coalescing around the Charleston Five? RILEY: Yes they are, because we were very actively involved in that campaign to take down the flag. We were there at the rally, we took buses, we sent cooks to feed people, when the Mayor of Charleston called for a 125-mile march to the Capitol in Columbia, we pledged forty men a day and we put them there. So the NAACP, and the South Carolina Progressive Network, made up of forty different groups, supported us. The Network were in fact co-sponsors of that rally we had the other day to support the Charleston Five. HONEY: Dr. King always talked about the need for a labor-civil rights coalition. RILEY: There must be, there must be. Our goal is to build that and make it stronger. Before I took office four years ago, it was pretty much non-existent. We've got a lot of resources, we are one of the wealthiest locals in the state. We have this big meeting hall, and I can remember they used to charge groups to use it. I'm saying to myself, how do you measure the value of allowing someone to use your facilities against a forty-dollar light bill for that night? I say forget about that forty dollars. I'd get more out of building this relationship by having them come in and use our facilities. We'll pay the forty dollars. We started opening our doors almost every night of the week to some organization, the NAACP, the Progressive Network, United Citizens Party, the Democratic Party, CAFE (Carolina Alliance for Fair Employment), student groups. That way we started to form this coalition with the community. Now we have to build a new hall because of a bridge that is coming through, and we have spent an extra million and-a-half dollars to develop a community wing. We could have gone out somewhere on the outskirts of town and gotten a pretty reasonable property, but we'd rather stay in the center of the community. HONEY: What's your projection for the future of this labor-civil rights coalition? That's what Dr. King was asking, when is the civil rights struggle going to move into the economic issues? RILEY: Sometimes something has to happen like this for everyone to wake up and realize it is time to get together. I have to fly the red eye plane back on Sunday because the ministers have called a meeting to see how they can weigh in on this situation with the state government and say look, we represent X amount of people in this state, from Catholics to Protestants, and we want this kind of injustice to stop. It's been a tough time waking people up, but I think it's starting to happen. Sometimes things happen and you don't recognize right away what this is going to mean. Certainly we didn't think it would have meant all of this when we were out there that night getting our heads bashed in. But it didn't take long to realize the community was there. Within three days State Senator Robert Ford called for a rally in our hall and it was packed. That was what we received because we had opened our doors to the civil rights community. HONEY: Did you have a civil rights background before you got active in the union? RILEY: No. Believe it or not, I trained in business management, and I took every single management course at the College of Charleston. I did seven years over there, Business Administration. I did my senior paper on the social responsibility of management. I just took that over to the union side, the social responsibility of unions to the community. My father was a longshoreman, second generation, so while I was in college I would still go down there and work. After graduation, I wanted to stay in Charleston, and while I was waiting for some opportunities to present themselves in Charleston, I thought, hey, I'd go down and work on the docks. But after working two or three weeks full-time on the docks, I knew I wasn't going anywhere. And within one year I was elected to the executive board, and I've been involved ever since. Copyright (c) 2001 Michael Honey. All Rights Reserved. [IMPORTANT NOTE: The views and opinions expressed on this list are solely those of the authors and/or publications, and do not necessarily represent or reflect the official political positions of the Black Radical Congress (BRC). Official BRC statements, position papers, press releases, action alerts, and announcements are distributed exclusively via the BRC-PRESS list. 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This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Let NYTimes.com Come to You Sign up for one of our weekly e-mails and the news will come directly to you. YOUR MONEY brings you a wealth of analysis and information about personal investing. CIRCUITS plugs you into the latest on personal technology. TRAVEL DISPATCH offers you a jump on special travel deals and news. http://email.nytimes.com/email/email.jsp?eta5 \----------------------------------------------------------/ N.H. Man Charged With Hate Crime By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 10:38 a.m. ET CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- A man accused of fatally beating a Laotian neighbor, claiming that ``Asians killed my brother and uncle in Vietnam,'' has been charged with a hate crime, authorities said Monday. Richard Labbe, 35, was indicted on two counts of second-degree murder in the death of Thung Phetakoune at the apartment complex in Newmarket where they both lived. Police gave the victim's age as 62 but his son said he was in his 70s. The Rockingham County grand jury indictment charged that racism motivated the July 14 attack. According to police, Labbe had just gotten an eviction notice and was arguing with another tenant when Phetakoune approached. ``So you like to kill Americans, why don't you try to kill me?'' Labbe's teen-age son told police he heard his father yell. Labbe told police he pushed Phetakoune after the older man hit him in the face, but the son and other witnesses said Phetakoune never touched him. The victim struck his head as he fell and died two days later. ``Those Asians killed my brother and uncle in Vietnam, call it payback,'' police say Labbe told them. ``If you're not going to do anything about these Asians in my country, then I will.'' Labbe did have an uncle who served in Vietnam, but he returned home unharmed, according to Labbe's father. And Phetakoune was forced from his homeland of Laos in the 1970s because he had fought alongside American soldiers in the Vietnam War. Labbe's father blamed alcohol for his son's actions. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Laotian-Killed.html?ex=998724750&ei=1&en=62a59ff66c7135ae /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ Visit NYTimes.com for complete access to the most authoritative news coverage on the Web, updated throughout the day. Become a member today! It's free! http://www.nytimes.com?eta \-----------------------------------------------------------------/ HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
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Here is the poem I am supposed to be doing tommorrow that you should of had by now , the 1st line is always the same and between each word grouping I will take two breaths: I wanna go 2 breaths higher than all the planes in the air that dare to cut holes through clouds as they travel swiftly thousands of miles I wanna go 2 breaths higher than the words that floated off the tongue of Dr. Martin Luther King Let freedom Ring, Let Freedom ring I wanna go 2 breaths higher than being billy clubbed and bullet beat by white racist cops in the streets God have mercy on them not me cause they lynching me - see and I'm about to rise up Unless they leave me be! I wanna go 2 breaths higher than nigga coon nigga nigga coon coon blacky sambo midnight nigga being everybodys stooge everybodys Amos and Andy fool I wanna go 2 breaths higher than Any church steeple that wants to cripple my people take away they fight break them on they knees keeping them paralyzed searching for light I wanna go 2 breaths higher than those white lines that pierce through my nose and razor cut through my life and divide my people as I just get high I wanna go 2 breaths higher than the needle in my veins shaking up my brain as my spirit gets drained and i go insane I wanna go 2 breaths higher than thw wild and crazy street gangs that give me colors and a name as the bullets fight to win another stripe aiming for my heart, to take my life as my mommas eyes well up with tears as the game - takes away my future years I wanna go 2 breaths higher than being the bamboozled clown with a suit and a noose around my neck striving to make white corporate friends as a mends to my own insecurities to get that all American check I wanna go 2 breaths higher than I don't know who I am in the scheme of things in the Massa don't beat me plaese of things I wanna go 2 breaths higher than the 40 acres and a mule white lie of things the I am only fit for the consumption by a "higher class" animalistic way of things I wanna go 2 breaths higher than the white snob attitude of "don't you know how much we've done for you" like I am just some black ass ingrate with no clue to what they really want to do I wanna go 2 breaths higher than my blood running through the cracks of the sidewalk as my body gets tossed into the 6 feet deep battle hole Let my people go! Let my people go! I wanna go 2 breaths higher than this beautiful chocolate skin smooth walk, cool talk, brown eyes healthy thighs, rich hips, and full lips I wanna go 2 breaths higher than all of the bullshit and the boot lick ing that has exhausted me I am demanding to be set Free! I wanna fly 2 breaths higher than my last breath 2 breaths higher than the stars that hang a million stories above the wings of birds -I wanna go higher than all these words I wanna go higher! Rain _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: MHF/PMI <mhf1982@...> To: mhf1982@... Subject: KPFA - KPFK - KPFT - WBAI - WPFW: The Pacifica Radio Network Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:15:19 -0700 YOU HELPED BUILD IT. WILL YOU HELP SAVE IT? Amy Goodman had bwalking around the station at WBAI with a mask over her face to protest surveillance cameras installed by Pacifica management. As of today, WBAI is re-broadcasting Amy's old programs rather than play new programs she made at a different location where she felt safer. If you think this is outrageous, there�s something you can do. The Committee to Remove Pacifica Board (CRPB) and its Listeners� Lawsuit legal team have researched and built their case against Pacifica for over two years. Now they are ready to take depositions from all major participants. This will cost an estimated $250,000 and they need your help. THE LISTENERS� LAWSUIT, IF SUCCESSFUL, WILL: remove board members who have abused their authority violated their own rules of operation, and wasted listener funds � give listener-sponsors voting rights � recover damages from individual directors for any misappropriation of funds � amend the bylaws and elect new directors. WHY DID LISTENER-SPONSORS GO TO COURT? The Pacifica Foundation Board of Directors, which holds legal title to the network's assets and licenses, has relentlessly abused its authority. They censored and fired programmers and locked out station staff. They fired their controller of twenty years and denied five board members access to financial information. They refused to testify before state and federal investigative bodies. Celebrities, nationally-respected progressives, and elected officials have talked to them. Listeners like you demonstrated, wrote thousands of letters, and filled their phone lines. Now the Board has hired two of Washington D.C.�s most high-powered law firms to fight listener-sponsors in court while they continue to destroy the network. Amy needs decent working conditions to produce Democracy Now! The people of Houston, Texas need local news reporting. KPFA listeners need to know their station will not be compromised or sold. We all need the Pacifica Radio Network to remain independent, commercial-free, and listener-sponsored. WHY THE MARIN HEALTH FUND/PUBLIC MEDIA INITIATIVE IS INVOLVED A founding purpose of the MHF is to protect civil and economic rights of the general public. MHF has focused on protecting local control of public assets and created the Public Media Initiative to protect this important public forum. Of three lawsuits against Pacifica, only the CRPB Listeners' Lawsuit seeks local democratic membership control of Pacifica. Membership control can � give listener-sponsors voting rights � elect responsive, accountable board members whose vision and guidance will rebuild Pacifica into the national treasure it is � sustain the future of the Pacifica Network. MHF is raising funds through efforts such as this letter to continue providing grants to the CRPB. The Internal Revenue Service has ruled that the MHF is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization. Donations are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law. Together we can raise the money, win this legal case, and rebuild the Pacifica Radio Network. Please send as much as you can. Today. HOW YOU CAN HELP $5,000 $1,000 $500 $100 A Day�s Pay Other � Send your check payable to Marin Health Fund/Public Media Initiative, Box 5402, Mill Valley, CA 94942. � Call 415-522-9955 to donate appreciated stock. � Donate on the Internet: http://www.guidestar.org/helping/donate.adp?ein=94-2860344. To find out more about the Marin Health Fund / Public Media Initiative, visit our website: http://www.marinhealthfund.org. In addition, we are listed at the national registry of charitable organizations: http://www.helping.org/charity To stay informed about the suit, visit CRPB at: http://home.pon.net/wildrose/remove.htm or e-mail Carol Spooner at wildrose@.... If you do not need a tax-deduction for your gift consider giving directly to the CRPB. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Pacifica Campaign Comedy Benefit Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 11:46:25 -0700 (PDT) > COMEDY BENEFIT > > for the > > Tulia 46 Relief Fund & the Pacifica Campaign > > Tuesday, Aug. 28th 9 PM - �til ?? at > > Caroline�s > 1626 Broadway (between 49th & 50th) > > with > > Grandpa Al Lewis, Barry Crimmins, Leanne Lord, > > Prof. Irwin Corey, Randy Credico, Scott Blakeman, > > Rafi d�Lugoffi, > > A new 23-minute video by Sarah and Emily Kunstler: > > Tulia, Texas: Scenes from the Drug War > > an appeal by the "NY Mothers Of The Disappeared" > > info: 646-230-9588 pacificacampaign.org kunstler.org > > ********************************************** > Mailing Address: > The Pacifica Campaign > 51 MacDougal St., #80 > New York, NY 10012 > Tel: (646) 230-9588 > > http://www.pacificacampaign.org > pacificacampaign@... > C > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
proposal to nbpeoplescampaign. to be voted sat., 8/25 the objective of the nbpeoplescampaign is peoples' democracy and political power. this objective is expressed in the community's slogans: "put people first!", "community control!", & "unite, organize, seize power!" as allies the nbpc has the democratic forces of the peoples. as enemies the nbpc has the representatives of monopoly capital/imperialism. the nbpc will make strategic alliances w/all democratic forces & tactical alliances w/all democratic tendencies. the strategy of the peoples campaign is principally to challenge in winnable elections for peoples' representation. &to pin the democratic party on the republican party in those elections in which we cannot yet win. immediately, this means to support ras baraka for nwk council, may '02. to smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! in nov. '01. then to take nb elected school board, mayor & 2council seats in nov. 02. also to develop in hp &elsewhere. all alliances w/ republican representatives &positions by nbpc leadership were/are anti-democratic deviations at the peoples' expense. one cannot simultaneously uphold the republican party platform & peoples' democracy. the nbpc must establish itself on an uncompromising democratic basis w/ uncompromising democratic leadership. all nbpc officers who fail to fully criticize &correct these backward schemes &methods must be immediately replaced. nominations shd be taken immediately for steering committee &campaign chair, to be voted in sept. mtg. cliff smith student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy 8/20 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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From: "Carol Spooner" <wildrose@...>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Subject: UPDATE - Committee to Remove the Pacifica Board
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:45:20 -0700
August 20, 2001
WEDNESDAY COURT DATE RE "DEMOCRACY NOW!"
Dear All,
As you all know, for many months now Amy Goodman and the staff of
"Democracy Now!" have been subjected to a campaign of harassment and
threats, including a recent physical assault, by WBAI interim station
manager Utrice Leid, and other WBAI staff members, as well as Pacifica's
National Program Director Steve Yasko, and the Executive Director Bessie
Wash. The object of this campaign has clearly been either to drive Amy into
quitting or into a position where she could be fired for insubordination.
This campaign against Amy has been conducted with the full knowledge of
the Pacifica board of directors, who despite repeated requests from Amy
Goodman, her lawyers, and from the five "dissident directors", have taken no
action and have permitted the harassment to continue.
As a result of these conditions, the Democracy Now! staff no longer
felt
safe at the WBAI studios and, last week, began producing the program from a
remote location and sending it to Pacifica by highspeed ISDN telephone
lines. It should be noted that other Pacifica programs, including the
popular Gary Null show, are remotely produced and delivered to WBAI and
Pacifica over ISDN lines. However, Pacifica has refused to broadcast the
remote Democracy Now! program or to provide it to the 50 or so Pacifica
Affiliate stations who purchase the program from Pacifica, and has been
broadcasting re-runs from the Democracy Now! archives. KPFA and a few
Pacifica Affiliate stations have independently obtained the ISDN feed and
have broadcast the current Democracy Now! "in exile" programs.
It should be noted that AFTRA, the union for Pacifica's national
program
staff, after tense negotiations last week and over the weekend, has ordered
Amy and her staff back to work at the WBAI studios. Fearing for their
safety, the Democracy Now! staff has refused to go.
We hope those of you with union connections will express your dismay
and
displeasure in writing to AFTRA for failing in their duty to fairly
represent of Amy Goodman and the Democracy Now! staff.
Because of our concern over the irreparable harm to the Pacifica
Foundation should Democracy Now! be lost to the network, the plaintiffs in
the pending lawsuits in California Superior Court last June negotiated a
"stipulated court order" requiring Pacifica to give 30 days notice prior to
taking any action regarding Democracy Now!. We believe the defendants have
violated that stipulation, and our lawyers will go to Court on Wednesday
this week seeking an emergency order enforcing the stipulation and requiring
Pacifica and all its stations to broadcast Democracy Now! as produced from
its remote location.
While Pacifica may be free under their union contracts to harass and
intimidate staff members and force them to work in an unsafe and hostile
work environment (which we do not believe), we believe Pacifica is not free
to do so under their separate stipulation with us, which is not based upon
the union contract, but upon our interest in preserving the financial health
and the good will and reputation of the Pacifica Foundation until trial,
when we hope to remove the board majority for breach of trust and gross
abuse of their authority and discretion or fraud or dishonest acts.
I'll let you know how the judge rules!
Thanks for your continued financial support, we couldn't do this without
you!
Carol Spooner
Committee to Remove the Pacifica Board
(sponsoring the "listeners' lawsuit")
web page: http://home.pon.net/wildrose/remove.htm
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This is an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's support of Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush & the right stole the 2001 election. Interesting, but one of David Rothenburg's main errors (similar to what we've heard from WBAI/naderites/greens since the X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with Hitler (Lead is a bullying traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but not a fascist & to call her a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 & Co.--though WBAI coup is certainly part of erotion of democracy in US), According to Rothenberg, the #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while Bush2/Republican/REAL FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper historic analysis) even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's support of Nader helped throw the election to B2!! There's a deep imbalance of perspective that needs to be corrected here in terms of the Green Party histortic role in 2001, causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's as no worse. (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting base!! To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair was there, but not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the working class from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. on the left, to think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of the name fascism! Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same people say, "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) because it will only strengthen the resisitance" Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in the 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman & Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. -Matthew Smith ----Original Message Follows---- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Transcript: Rothenberg's on-air analysis of the fascist rule and WBAI Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) > Dear Friends, > > David Rothenberg Saturday did an on-air analysis citing the similarities in > the rise of the Third Reich with what has happened at WBAI since the Christmas > Coup, including setting up a scapegoat and Leid's power hungry demands for > slavish loyalty with no criticism allowed. He also commented on the security > system the likes of which he said he hadn't seen since he visited Sing Sing. > He also announced that he has been "summoned by the powers that be" for a > meeting later this week and doesn't expect to be on air much longer. > > Below is a transcript of his comparative analysis. Audio version is > on-line at > http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=3514 > > ==================== > > It's just about 10 o'clock on WBAI fm in New York, 99.5 listener- > sponsored radio. I'm David Rothenberg. > > From time to time I've cited William Shirer's book, "The Rise and > Fall of the Third Reich," as one of the most influential and > important books in my lifetime of reading. When I read it I was well > familiar with the horror stories, the endless atrocities committed by > the Nazis, but I wanted to understand all of the aspects which > permitted Hitler's rise to power - the historic precedents, the > political, the religious, psychological and economic climate which > saw a people allowing a tyrant to take on the world to satisfy some > peculiar sick need. And of course we have seen traces of that in > other parts of the world at other times, some successful, others > sputtering out in its infancy. > > During the Guiliani years, in all of the Guiliani years I've often cited > Shirer's book, only to be the recipient of sharp criticism mostly > saying that I besmirched the memory of holocaust victims by such > glib comparisons. I certainly didn't compare Guiliani's reign in New > York with the Final Solutions of Hitler, but if we're to learn anything > from the rise of Hitler, as Shirer outlines in his book, it's to > recognize the traits that exist when a tyrant takes over a country, > or a city, or a corporation, or a non-profit organization. > > What did I learn from "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" > > One, nearly every government or corporate enterprise has a > shadow ruling body: industrialists, or boards of directors, who work > behind the scenes. Who are the continuing power brokers. Who > want government to run smoothly, maintaining a sense of > democracy but always protecting the privileged and the powerful > and the controllers of the purse strings. They could be > manufacturers or real estate empire kings, or a board of directors. > > When there's a crisis, economic or a sense that control is being > lost, there's a political edge that emerges. Power brokers seek out > a strong personality to take control and put things back into shape. > Usually with a blank check, unless or until it gets out of hand. > Sometimes it goes way beyond what the industrialists need. That's > when bloodshed often happens. > > There's always a law and order personality in the crowd, someone > with deep psychological, sometimes pathological, needs to be > fulfilled to take charge and to be all-powerful. History has recorded > such individuals and their rapid rise and their inevitable falls. > > If you follow the blueprint of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" > you discover that the rising tyrant needs a number of things in > place, all inter-related and to be acted upon together. Rhat would > be, one, a scapegoat or scapegoats. Two, a military or security > control, justified because of the alleged threats of the scapegoats. > Three, elimination of charismatic opposition, holders of a > democratic process. > > All of this is with the silent approval of the power brokers, the > economic controllers. We don't have to paint the picture that Hitler > and the Krupp empire drew, but look at Guiliani's administration. > The scapegoats were defined in a number of ways. It was clearly > perceived to be young, Black males. They were the police targets. > No nay-sayers were permitted in the Guiliani administration, and it > did not and has not represented the diversity of this city. And the > blockading off of City Hall reflected a bunker mentality. > > But our checks and balances, often through the courts, people > suing Guiliani, a reasonably free press and due process put a rein > on much of Guiliani's terror. But his inclinations were clear. It is > why he has frightened me. > > His fall from grace came when decent people responded to the > incredible cases of Louima, Diallo and the Dorsimond cases. And > then hizzoner's personal peccadilloes, the hypocrisy, the conflict > with his moral posturing. > > And then we come to the takeover of this station. A small blip in > the political scheme of things, but a voice that was heard with > much interest by the Democratic Party during the elections when > "too much" time was spent justifying third party realities. Pacifica > and WBAI, specifically WBAI, could be held responsible for > marginal voters going for Nader, throwing the election to Bush. > > With the former chair of the board closely tied to the outgoing > presidential administration and still the puller- of- strings at > Pacifica, serving two masters at the same time, or maybe serving > one master at the expense of the other. Three weeks after the > Supreme Court ruled that George Bush would be president, some > drastic changes took place at this little station in the middle of the > FM dial. > > A scapegoat was found: she the interviewer of Bill Clinton on > Election Day; she who had Ralph Nader as her partner during the > GOP convention. The charismatic people's voices were dismissed > without warning. Fired. Locked out. And the security system went > into place. > > And the sole criteria for being part of the decision-making is loyalty > to the chief. Talents long-abandoned or overlooked rose to the top, > just like Rudolph Hess in the Hitler years during the Third Reich. > For the sole measure of visibility or audibility was loyalty and > joining in the scapegoating. > > I have attempted to abide by the gag rule imposed on us, but when > I hear continual slander about my colleagues I feel that the gag rule > is tantamount to remaining silent during the rise of the Third Reich. > Amy Goodman has been verbally and now physically abused at > this station. Bernard White's name and professional skills have > been assaulted by persons who, quite candidly, can't hold a candle > to his talents. > > The interim manager of this station is irrationally obsessed by Amy > Goodman. Amy's reportorial skills, her large following and the > accolades she's received. Abuse of Amy is the sole criteria for a > place at the table at WBAI now, and slavish obedience is what is > expected. And I find all of that intolerable. > > It's all very confused, and never-defined motives are revealed as > power relished for itself. But always forgotten, for those who don't > know their history, is that every rise of a Third Reich is followed by > a fall. > > Stay tuned. Pay close attention. > > > > > http://savewbai.tao.ca > > > To unsubscribe from this list > email lists@... with: unsubscribe savewbai > or visit http://lists.tao.ca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Greg Di Gesu" <gregdig65@...> >To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:@...;> >Subject: Speedsters & Dopers go to Joisey! >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:26:58 -0400 > > * Speedsters and Dopers * > > This Friday, Aug. 24th > > ~ 11PM ~ > > @ > The Court Tavern > 124 Church St. > New Brunswick, NJ > 732.545.7265 > (exit 9 - NJ Turnpike) > > *w/ The Crayons - 10PM > Spiral Jetty - 12 mid > > > - a fabulous evening - > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Gliding Baskets
"Eight Six Foxtrot--Eight Six Foxtrot.
This is One One Zulu. Over."
The woman in blue
Carried the weight swiftly, with grace,
Her face was hidden by her
Conical rice straw hat.
"One One Zulu--this is Eight Six Foxtrot. Go."
"Roger Eight Six. I have Fire Mission.
"Dink in the open, Grid: Bravo Sierra,
Five Six Niner, Four Six Five, Range:
Three thousand, Proximity: Eight hundred. Over."
The two heavy baskets
Balanced on tips
Of the springing Chogi stick
Glided close to the hard smooth path.
"Read back, One One Zulu."
"Roger Copy, Eight Six."
"Shot, on the way, wait."
"Shot Out, Eight Six."
A sighing 105mm round slides through its parabola
Then the explosive tearing at the steel which surrounds it,
And the shrapnel catches the gliding baskets,
And they crumple with the woman in blue.
Frank A. Cross, Jr.
near An Trang
August 14, 1969
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Friends, This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not a discussion board but an announcement board which I moderate. I will not post it but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS: Fred N. (NJ) --- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote: > > This is an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's > support of Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush & > the right stole the 2001 election. Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI Interesting, but one of David > Rothenburg's main errors (similar to what we've heard from > WBAI/naderites/greens since the X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with > Hitler (Lead is a bullying traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but > not a fascist & to call her a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 & > Co.--though WBAI coup is certainly part of erotion of democracy in US), > According to Rothenberg, the #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while > Bush2/Republican/REAL FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper > historic analysis) even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's > support of Nader helped throw the election to B2!! Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by the way, he announces that he may never return because he is likely to be fired for saying what he was saying. I do agree with David on the point that the methods used by Utrice Leid are common to the fascists (suppression of speech, intimidation/public humiliation, false claims of theft/violence and constant personal attacks. U. Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance system complete with card-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. I also agree that the Democratic Party has betrayed the American working class and is now dominated by people who are doing the bidding of very large corporations and global finance interests. The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that WBAI was a station controlled by the Greens. There's a deep imbalance > of perspective that needs to be corrected here in terms of the Green Party > histortic role in 2001, causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's > as no worse. (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting > base!! Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did not defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all registers don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporate contributions did not change that. To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair was there, but > not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the working class > from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. on the left, to > think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of the name > fascism! Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. It's a bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the corporate medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of dissent that are not presented anywhere else. Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same people say, > "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) because it will > only strengthen the resisitance" Reply: Someone said that? Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in > the 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman > & Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation forPublic Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations to be named to the Pacifica Board and a series of executives with connections with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its destruction. David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery Brown, Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. The democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same motives of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. Wake up Matt, WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the fascist state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. Message Follows---- > From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> > To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Transcript: Rothenberg's on-air analysis of the > fascist rule and WBAI > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > Dear Friends, > > > > David Rothenberg Saturday did an on-air analysis citing the similarities > in > > the rise of the Third Reich with what has happened at WBAI since the > Christmas > > Coup, including setting up a scapegoat and Leid's power hungry demands > for > > slavish loyalty with no criticism allowed. He also commented on the > security > > system the likes of which he said he hadn't seen since he visited Sing > Sing. > > He also announced that he has been "summoned by the powers that be" for a > > meeting later this week and doesn't expect to be on air much longer. > > > > Below is a transcript of his comparative analysis. Audio version is > > on-line at > > http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=3514 > > > > ==================== > > > > It's just about 10 o'clock on WBAI fm in New York, 99.5 listener- > > sponsored radio. I'm David Rothenberg. > > > > From time to time I've cited William Shirer's book, "The Rise and > > Fall of the Third Reich," as one of the most influential and > > important books in my lifetime of reading. When I read it I was well > > familiar with the horror stories, the endless atrocities committed by > > the Nazis, but I wanted to understand all of the aspects which > > permitted Hitler's rise to power - the historic precedents, the > > political, the religious, psychological and economic climate which > > saw a people allowing a tyrant to take on the world to satisfy some > > peculiar sick need. And of course we have seen traces of that in > > other parts of the world at other times, some successful, others > > sputtering out in its infancy. > > > > During the Guiliani years, in all of the Guiliani years I've often cited > > Shirer's book, only to be the recipient of sharp criticism mostly > > saying that I besmirched the memory of holocaust victims by such > > glib comparisons. I certainly didn't compare Guiliani's reign in New > > York with the Final Solutions of Hitler, but if we're to learn anything > > from the rise of Hitler, as Shirer outlines in his book, it's to > > recognize the traits that exist when a tyrant takes over a country, > > or a city, or a corporation, or a non-profit organization. > > > > What did I learn from "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" > > > > One, nearly every government or corporate enterprise has a > > shadow ruling body: industrialists, or boards of directors, who work > > behind the scenes. Who are the continuing power brokers. Who > > want government to run smoothly, maintaining a sense of > > democracy but always protecting the privileged and the powerful > > and the controllers of the purse strings. They could be > > manufacturers or real estate empire kings, or a board of directors. > > > > When there's a crisis, economic or a sense that control is being > > lost, there's a political edge that emerges. Power brokers seek out > > a strong personality to take control and put things back into shape. > > Usually with a blank check, unless or until it gets out of hand. > > Sometimes it goes way beyond what the industrialists need. That's > > when bloodshed often happens. > > > > There's always a law and order personality in the crowd, someone > > with deep psychological, sometimes pathological, needs to be > > fulfilled to take charge and to be all-powerful. History has recorded > > such individuals and their rapid rise and their inevitable falls. > > > > If you follow the blueprint of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" > > you discover that the rising tyrant needs a number of things in > > place, all inter-related and to be acted upon together. Rhat would > > be, one, a scapegoat or scapegoats. Two, a military or security > > control, justified because of the alleged threats of the scapegoats. > > Three, elimination of charismatic opposition, holders of a > > democratic process. > > > > All of this is with the silent approval of the power brokers, the > > economic controllers. We don't have to paint the picture that Hitler > > and the Krupp empire drew, but look at Guiliani's administration. > > The scapegoats were defined in a number of ways. It was clearly > > perceived to be young, Black males. They were the police targets. > > No nay-sayers were permitted in the Guiliani administration, and it > > did not and has not represented the diversity of this city. And the > > blockading off of City Hall reflected a bunker mentality. > > > > But our checks and balances, often through the courts, people > > suing Guiliani, a reasonably free press and due process put a rein > > on much of Guiliani's terror. But his inclinations were clear. It is > > why he has frightened me. > > > > His fall from grace came when decent people responded to the > > incredible cases of Louima, Diallo and the Dorsimond cases. And > > then hizzoner's personal peccadilloes, the hypocrisy, the conflict > > with his moral posturing. > > > > And then we come to the takeover of this station. A small blip in > > the political scheme of things, but a voice that was heard with > > much interest by the Democratic Party during the elections when > > "too much" time was spent justifying third party realities. Pacifica > > and WBAI, specifically WBAI, could be held responsible for > > marginal voters going for Nader, throwing the election to Bush. > > > > With the former chair of the board closely tied to the outgoing > > presidential administration and still the puller- of- strings at > > Pacifica, serving two masters at the same time, or maybe serving > > one master at the expense of the other. Three weeks after the > > Supreme Court ruled that George Bush would be president, some > > drastic changes took place at this little station in the middle of the > > FM dial. > > > > A scapegoat was found: she the interviewer of Bill Clinton on > > Election Day; she who had Ralph Nader as her partner during the > > GOP convention. The charismatic people's voices were dismissed > > without warning. Fired. Locked out. And the security system went > > into place. > > > > And the sole criteria for being part of the decision-making is loyalty > > to the chief. Talents long-abandoned or overlooked rose to the top, > > just like Rudolph Hess in the Hitler years during the Third Reich. > > For the sole measure of visibility or audibility was loyalty and > > joining in the scapegoating. > > > > I have attempted to abide by the gag rule imposed on us, but when > > I hear continual slander about my colleagues I feel that the gag rule > > is tantamount to remaining silent during the rise of the Third Reich. > > Amy Goodman has been verbally and now physically abused at > > this station. Bernard White's name and professional skills have > > been assaulted by persons who, quite candidly, can't hold a candle > > to his talents. > > > > The interim manager of this station is irrationally obsessed by Amy > > Goodman. Amy's reportorial skills, her large following and the > > accolades she's received. Abuse of Amy is the sole criteria for a > > place at the table at WBAI now, and slavish obedience is what is > > expected. And I find all of that intolerable. > > > > It's all very confused, and never-defined motives are revealed as > > power relished for itself. But always forgotten, for those who don't > > know their history, is that every rise of a Third Reich is followed by > > a fall. > > > > Stay tuned. Pay close attention. > > > > > > > > > > http://savewbai.tao.ca > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list > > email lists@... with: unsubscribe savewbai > > or visit http://lists.tao.ca > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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the revolutionary theatre
by amiri baraka
1964
The Revolutionary Theatre should force change; it should be change. (All
their faces turned into the lights and you work on them black nigger magic,
and cleanse them at having seen the ugliness. And if the beautiful see
themselves, they will love themselves.) We are preaching virtue agaain, but
by that to mean NOW, toward what seems the most constructive use of the
world.
The Revolutionary Theatre must EXPOSE! Show up the insides of these humans,
look into black skulls. White men will cower before this theatre because it
hates them. Because they themselves habe been trained to hate. The
Revolutionary Theatre must hate them for hating. For presuming with their
technology to deny the supremacy of the Spirit. They will all die because
of this.
The Revolutionary Theatre must teach their deaths. It must crack their
faces open to the mad cries of the poor. It must teach them about silence
and the truths lodged there. It must kill any God anyone names except
Common Sense. The Revolutionary Theatre should flush the fags and murders
out of Lincoln's face.
It should stagger through our universe correcting, insulting, preaching,
spitting craziness--but a craziness taught to us in our most rational
moments. People must be taught to trust true scientists (knowers, diggers,
oddballs) and that the holiness of life is the constant possibility of
widening the consciousness. And they must be incited to strike back against
any agency that attempts to prevent this widening.
The Revolutionary Theatre must Accuse and Attack anything that can be
accused and attacked. It must Accuse and Attack because it is a theatre of
Victims. It looks at the sky with the victim's eyes, and moves the victims
to look at the strength in their minds and their bodies.
Clay, in "Dutchman", Ray in "The Toilet", Walker in "The Slave", are all
victims. In the Western sense they could be heroes. But the Revolutionary
Theatre, even if it is Western, must be anti-Western. It must show horrible
coming attractions of "The Crumbling of the West." Even as Artaud designed
"The Conquest of Mexico", so we must design "The Conquest of White Eye", and
show the missionaries and wiggly Liberals dying under blasts of concrete.
For sound effects, wild screams of joy, from all the peoples of the world.
The Revolutionary Theatre must take dreams and give them a reality. It must
isolate the ritual and historical cycles of reality. But it must be food
for all those who need food, and daring propoganda for the beauty of the
Human Mind It is a political theatre, a weapon to help in the slaughter of
these dim-witted fatbellied white guys who somehow believe that the rest of
the world is here for to slobber on.
This should be a theatre of World Spirit. Where the spirit can be shownto
be the most competent force in the world. Force. Spirit. Feeling. The
language will be anybody's, but tightened by the poet's backbone. And even
the language must show what the facts are in this consciousness epic, what's
happening. We will talk about the world, and the preciseness with which we
are able to summon the world will be our art. Art is method. And art,
"like any ashtray or senator," remains in the world. Wittgenstein said
ethics and aesthetics are one. I believe this. So the Broadway theatre is
a theatre of reaction whose ethics, like its aesthetics, reflect the
spiritual values of this unholy society, which sends young crackers all over
the world blowing off colored people's heads. (In some of these flippy
Southern towns they even shoot up the immigrants' Favorite Son, be it
Schwerner or JFKennedy.)
The Revolutionary Theatre is shaped by the world, and moves to reshape the
world, using as its force the natural force and perpetual vibrations of the
mind in the world. We are history and desire, what we are, and what any
experience can make us.
It is a social theatre, but all theatre is social theatre. But we will
change the drawing rooms into places where real things can be said about a
real world, or into smoky rooms where the destruction of Washington can be
plotted. The Revolutionary Theatre must function like an incendiary pencil
planted in Curtis Lemay's cap. So that when the final curtain goes down
brains are splattered over the seats and the floor, and bleeding nuns must
wire SOS's to Belgians with gold teeth.
Our theatre will show victims so that their brothers in the audience will be
better able to understand that they are the brothers of victims, and that
they themselves are victims if they are blood brothers. And what we show
must cause the blood to rush, so that pre-revolutionary temperaments will be
bathed in this blood, and it will cause their deepest souls to move, and
they will find themselves tensed and clenched, even ready to die, at what
the soul has been taught. We will scream and cry, murder, run through the
streets in agony, if it means some soul will be moved, moved to actual life
understanding of what the world is, and what it ought to be. We are
preaching virtue and feeling, and a natural sense of the self in the world.
All men live in the world, and he world ought to be a place for them to
live.
What is called the imagination (from image, magi, magic, magician, etc.) is
a practical vector from the soul. It stores all data, and can be called on
to solve all our "problems." The imagination is the projection of ourselves
past our sense of ourselves as "things." Imagination (Image) is all
possibility, because from the image, the initial circumscribed energy, any
use (idea) is possible. And so begins that image's use in the world.
Possibility is what moves us.
The popular white man's theatre like the popular white man's novel shows
tired white lives, and the problems of eating white sugar, or else it herds
bigcaboosed blondes onto huge stages in rhinestones and makes believe they
are dancing or singing. WHITE BUSINESSMAN OF THE WORLD, DO YOU WANT TO SEE
PEOPLE REALLY DANCING AND SINGING??? ALL OF YOU GO UP TO HARLEM AND GET
YOURSELF KILLED. THERE WILL BE DANCING AND SINGING, THEN, FOR REAL!!! (In
"The Slave", Walker Vessels, the black revolutionary, wears an armband,
which is the insignia of the attacking army--a big red-lipped minstrel,
grinning like crazy.)
The liberal white man's objection to the theatre of the revolution (if he is
"hip" enough) will be on aesthetic grounds. Most white Western artists do
not need to be "political," since usually, whether they know it or not, they
are in complete sympathy with the most repressive social forces in the world
today. There are more junior birdmen fascists running around the West today
disguised as Artists than there are disguised as fascists. (But then, that
word, "Fascist," and with it "Fascism," has been made obsolete by the words
"America," and Americanism.) The American Artist usually turns out to be
just a super-Bourgeois, because finally, all he has to show for his sojourn
through the world is "better taste" than the Bourgeois--many times not even
that.
Americans will hate the Revolutionary Theatre because it will be out to
destroy them and whatever they believe is real. American cops will try to
close the theatres where such nakedness of the human spirit is paraded.
American producers will say the revolutionary plays are filth, usually
because they will treat human as if it were actually happening. American
directors will say that the white guys in the plays are too abstract and
cowardly ("don't get me wrong...I mean aesthetically...") and they will be
right.
The force we want is of twenty million spooks storming America with furious
cries and unstoppable weapons. We want actual explosions and actual
brutality: AN EPIC IS CRUMBLING and we must give it the space and hugeness
of its actual demise. The Revolutionary Theatre, which is now peopled with
victims, will soon begin to be peopled with new kinds of heroes--not the
weak Hamlets debating whether or not they are ready to die for what's on
their minds, but men and women (and minds) digging out from under a thousand
years of "high art" and weak faced dalliance. We must make an art that will
function so as to call down the actual wrath of world spirit. We are witch
doctors and assassins, but we will open a place for the true scientists to
expand our consciousness. This is a theatre of assualt. The play that will
split the heavens for us will be caled THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. The
heroes will be Crazy Horse, Denmark Vesey, Patrice Lumumba, and not history,
not memory, not sad sentimental groping for a warmth in our despair; these
will be new men, new heroes, and their enemies most of you who are reading
this.
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Matthew -- I believe you are way off the mark on this one. 1. Rothenberg's emphasis was on the totalitarian process (which led to the Nazification of Germany). He drew parallels with that process' features and mode of progression and what is transpiring at WBAI. That takes us thru the first 11 paragraphs of Rothenberg's transcript. 2. Rothenberg also draws a parallel , Giuliani and Leid, in their apparent attempts at seizing absolute power and in crushing opponents in a typical bullying, gangsterish, totalitarian, fascist manner. He clearly states the difference between Hitler in full bloom and Giuliani/Leid in the last sentence of his 3rd paragraph, re "... traits that exist when a tyrant takes over ..." Rothenberg then explains what these traits are and applies them to the Leid regime at WBAI since the December 2000 'Night of the Long Knives' [my parallel] and the continuing salami-ing of personnel -- one slice at a time. 3. No spotlight to my mind was taken off Bush -- rather Rothenberg interpreted the assassinations as driven by angry sympathizers of the dastard [mean, sneaky, coward] who was running with his tail between his legs and his head up his anus, to the right, against the long-time [imperfect] liberal trend of the now Democrapic Potty. Witness the confirmation of this in the Clinton/Gore resistance to low-cost medicines for Africa's AIDS victims, support of pharmaceutical company rapacity and murder for excess profits, Clinton/Gore's support of the Republican version of Welfare reform -- leading to the predicted rise in infant mortality [infanticide] among the poor, Black, White, and Green, continuing support by Clinton/Gore of long term massacres in East Timor, thruout Africa, the deadly farce perpetrated on Kosovo, and Central & South America. Bush Jr., despite his killings in Texas while governor, was mild compared to Clinton/Gore who instigated, promoted, and supported the genteel murder of millions thru policies that led to continuous slaughter in the countries and continents mentioned. No wonder truly compassionate liberals abandoned Gore during the election. Gore forced the 2% into Nader's camp. Gore and his assiten [worse than assinine] pronouncements and abandonment of African Americans and Hispanics in Florida go to prove his perfidy. Concerning your criticism about taking the spotlight off Gorgeous George, I believe we can all chew gum and walk at the same time. Nader, an imperfect candidate, was so feared for his pertinence on a variety of crucial-to-the-public matters that he was forcibly excluded from public debates by the Repukeagains and Democrap mafia. At least 2% of the public were not fooled by the two flatulent front-running fakers. The two major parties were in agreement on continuing to force-feed garbage to the public. Notice how the Democraps joined the Repukeagains in pushing thru the tax 'rebate?' This while so many lack adequate housing, medical care and education and for whom the tax rebate will be miniscule, while the massive monetary benefits of the tax refund go to the wealthiest who don't need it. Those billions should have been focused on the neediest. Clearly, the Democraps are spineless slimes, whereas the Repukeagains are spineless sharks.The Democraps try to smother you with goo of pseudo-kindness and the Repukeagains try to eat you alive. The Weimar government collapsed from the excessive reparations demanded of Germany by the Western Allies, compounded by the world economic collapse in the late 1920's and early 1930's. Power-crazed opportunists offered the moon and delivered horrific death and devastation. This is, I think Rothenberg's point -- unscrupulous opportunists making their moves at WBAI. In their respective areas of operation, their is no real difference in type of behavior between cutthroat corporateers and flesh-eating fascists -- the difference is only in the magnitude and seriousness and permanence of the pain they cause. Gore deserved to lose the presidency and Bush did not deserve becoming president. Nader refused to knuckle under to the twin turds against whose policies he was running, and in the words of e.e. cumming's Olaf, Nader agreed that ".. there is some sh-t I will not eat." Or to paraphrase Shakespeare, "The fault you brutish is not in our leaders, but in our own self-righteous, slavish selves, that we remain whining underlings." If we don't help wake the 100 million who didn't vote, and don't help educate the 200 million who could vote, we will either die in our sleep of apathy or in a rage in the cage that is being built for us in each new prison. Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Gandhi, and King built constituencies against great odds -- so did Genghis Khan, Attila, Alexander, Lenin, Hitler, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Mandela. What do we need to learn and apply without becoming murderers or enslavers? Don't blame me. I voted for Justice. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> To: <siddharta5@...>; <friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: [poprogress] Response to Rothenberg's on-air analysis of the fascist rule and WBAI > > This is an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's > support of Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush & > the right stole the 2001 election. Interesting, but one of David > Rothenburg's main errors (similar to what we've heard from > WBAI/naderites/greens since the X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with > Hitler (Lead is a bullying traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but > not a fascist & to call her a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 & > Co.--though WBAI coup is certainly part of erotion of democracy in US), > According to Rothenberg, the #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while > Bush2/Republican/REAL FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper > historic analysis) even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's > support of Nader helped throw the election to B2!! There's a deep imbalance > of perspective that needs to be corrected here in terms of the Green Party > histortic role in 2001, causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's > as no worse. (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting > base!! To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair was there, but > not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the working class > from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. on the left, to > think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of the name > fascism! Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same people say, > "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) because it will > only strengthen the resisitance" Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in > the 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman > & Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > -Matthew Smith > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> > To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Transcript: Rothenberg's on-air analysis of the > fascist rule and WBAI > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > Dear Friends, > > > > David Rothenberg Saturday did an on-air analysis citing the similarities > in > > the rise of the Third Reich with what has happened at WBAI since the > Christmas > > Coup, including setting up a scapegoat and Leid's power hungry demands > for > > slavish loyalty with no criticism allowed. He also commented on the > security > > system the likes of which he said he hadn't seen since he visited Sing > Sing. > > He also announced that he has been "summoned by the powers that be" for a > > meeting later this week and doesn't expect to be on air much longer. > > > > Below is a transcript of his comparative analysis. Audio version is > > on-line at > > http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=3514 > > > > ==================== > > > > It's just about 10 o'clock on WBAI fm in New York, 99.5 listener- > > sponsored radio. I'm David Rothenberg. > > > > From time to time I've cited William Shirer's book, "The Rise and > > Fall of the Third Reich," as one of the most influential and > > important books in my lifetime of reading. When I read it I was well > > familiar with the horror stories, the endless atrocities committed by > > the Nazis, but I wanted to understand all of the aspects which > > permitted Hitler's rise to power - the historic precedents, the > > political, the religious, psychological and economic climate which > > saw a people allowing a tyrant to take on the world to satisfy some > > peculiar sick need. And of course we have seen traces of that in > > other parts of the world at other times, some successful, others > > sputtering out in its infancy. > > > > During the Guiliani years, in all of the Guiliani years I've often cited > > Shirer's book, only to be the recipient of sharp criticism mostly > > saying that I besmirched the memory of holocaust victims by such > > glib comparisons. I certainly didn't compare Guiliani's reign in New > > York with the Final Solutions of Hitler, but if we're to learn anything > > from the rise of Hitler, as Shirer outlines in his book, it's to > > recognize the traits that exist when a tyrant takes over a country, > > or a city, or a corporation, or a non-profit organization. > > > > What did I learn from "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" > > > > One, nearly every government or corporate enterprise has a > > shadow ruling body: industrialists, or boards of directors, who work > > behind the scenes. Who are the continuing power brokers. Who > > want government to run smoothly, maintaining a sense of > > democracy but always protecting the privileged and the powerful > > and the controllers of the purse strings. They could be > > manufacturers or real estate empire kings, or a board of directors. > > > > When there's a crisis, economic or a sense that control is being > > lost, there's a political edge that emerges. Power brokers seek out > > a strong personality to take control and put things back into shape. > > Usually with a blank check, unless or until it gets out of hand. > > Sometimes it goes way beyond what the industrialists need. That's > > when bloodshed often happens. > > > > There's always a law and order personality in the crowd, someone > > with deep psychological, sometimes pathological, needs to be > > fulfilled to take charge and to be all-powerful. History has recorded > > such individuals and their rapid rise and their inevitable falls. > > > > If you follow the blueprint of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" > > you discover that the rising tyrant needs a number of things in > > place, all inter-related and to be acted upon together. Rhat would > > be, one, a scapegoat or scapegoats. Two, a military or security > > control, justified because of the alleged threats of the scapegoats. > > Three, elimination of charismatic opposition, holders of a > > democratic process. > > > > All of this is with the silent approval of the power brokers, the > > economic controllers. We don't have to paint the picture that Hitler > > and the Krupp empire drew, but look at Guiliani's administration. > > The scapegoats were defined in a number of ways. It was clearly > > perceived to be young, Black males. They were the police targets. > > No nay-sayers were permitted in the Guiliani administration, and it > > did not and has not represented the diversity of this city. And the > > blockading off of City Hall reflected a bunker mentality. > > > > But our checks and balances, often through the courts, people > > suing Guiliani, a reasonably free press and due process put a rein > > on much of Guiliani's terror. But his inclinations were clear. It is > > why he has frightened me. > > > > His fall from grace came when decent people responded to the > > incredible cases of Louima, Diallo and the Dorsimond cases. And > > then hizzoner's personal peccadilloes, the hypocrisy, the conflict > > with his moral posturing. > > > > And then we come to the takeover of this station. A small blip in > > the political scheme of things, but a voice that was heard with > > much interest by the Democratic Party during the elections when > > "too much" time was spent justifying third party realities. Pacifica > > and WBAI, specifically WBAI, could be held responsible for > > marginal voters going for Nader, throwing the election to Bush. > > > > With the former chair of the board closely tied to the outgoing > > presidential administration and still the puller- of- strings at > > Pacifica, serving two masters at the same time, or maybe serving > > one master at the expense of the other. Three weeks after the > > Supreme Court ruled that George Bush would be president, some > > drastic changes took place at this little station in the middle of the > > FM dial. > > > > A scapegoat was found: she the interviewer of Bill Clinton on > > Election Day; she who had Ralph Nader as her partner during the > > GOP convention. The charismatic people's voices were dismissed > > without warning. Fired. Locked out. And the security system went > > into place. > > > > And the sole criteria for being part of the decision-making is loyalty > > to the chief. Talents long-abandoned or overlooked rose to the top, > > just like Rudolph Hess in the Hitler years during the Third Reich. > > For the sole measure of visibility or audibility was loyalty and > > joining in the scapegoating. > > > > I have attempted to abide by the gag rule imposed on us, but when > > I hear continual slander about my colleagues I feel that the gag rule > > is tantamount to remaining silent during the rise of the Third Reich. > > Amy Goodman has been verbally and now physically abused at > > this station. Bernard White's name and professional skills have > > been assaulted by persons who, quite candidly, can't hold a candle > > to his talents. > > > > The interim manager of this station is irrationally obsessed by Amy > > Goodman. Amy's reportorial skills, her large following and the > > accolades she's received. Abuse of Amy is the sole criteria for a > > place at the table at WBAI now, and slavish obedience is what is > > expected. And I find all of that intolerable. > > > > It's all very confused, and never-defined motives are revealed as > > power relished for itself. But always forgotten, for those who don't > > know their history, is that every rise of a Third Reich is followed by > > a fall. > > > > Stay tuned. Pay close attention. > > > > > > > > > > http://savewbai.tao.ca > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list > > email lists@... with: unsubscribe savewbai > > or visit http://lists.tao.ca > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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----Original Message Follows---- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Emergency WBAI Pickets Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) > Pacifica Campaign Action Alert > Democracy Now! Staff Suspended Without Pay > > Emergency Solidarity Pickets at WBAI > 8:00am-10:00am > > Wednesday, August 22 > Thursday, August 23 > Friday, August 24 > > 120 Wall Street > Lower Manhattan > Train #2,3,4,5 to Wall Street > > Protest Pacifica management�s suspension of Amy Goodman and the Democracy > Now! team. They have been punished because they demanded a safe and secure > work environment, free from harassment by WBAI interim general manager > Utrice Leid and her stooges. > > Amy Goodman and the DN! staff should not be forced to report to a job site > where they are physically attacked by supervisors and where staff members go > on the air to urge their physical destruction. That is fascism, not > democracy, and no one should collaborate with such policies. > > Let your voice be heard! > Stop the harassment and abuse! > The Pacifica Board majority clique must resign now! > > > ********************************************** > The Pacifica Campaign > 51 MacDougal St., #80 > New York, NY 10012 > Tel: (646) 230-9588 > > http://www.pacificacampaign.org > pacificacampaign@... > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Pacifica management suspends entire Democracy Now! staff Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:29:42 -0700 (PDT) > ENTIRE DEMOCRACY NOW! STAFF SUSPENDED WITHOUT PAY > > Below is a bulletin from the Pacifica Campaign�s Juan Gonzalez > explaining why most Pacifica listeners are no longer hearing the > network�s flagship show, Democracy Now!, on their airwaves. > > You�ll find several ways to help toward the end of his message -- especially if you are a union > member -- and following it, the memo which Amy Goodman and other Democracy Now! staffers sent to > Pacifica management today. Please take a few moments to take > action in support of them! > > ================================ > NEWS UPDATE FROM JUAN GONZALEZ > ================================ > > Dear Pacifica Campaign Supporters: > > The crisis with Pacifica's flagship national news show, Democracy > Now!, has gotten worse. Pacifica management has now suspended Amy > Goodman without pay. Incredibly, the Democracy Now! team found > this out in the morning newspapers. > > As you will remember, Amy and the Democracy Now! staff last > Tuesday, August 14, decided to move production from Pacifica > station WBAI in New York to an alternate studio in downtown > Manhattan because they feared for their physical safety. At WBAI, > they had been physically and verbally attacked by interim station > manager Utrice Leid and other Leid loyalists. When Pacifica senior > management ignored their repeated written requests that something > be done about the intolerable atmosphere of intimidation and > threats at the station, they felt they had no choice but to > fashion some interim solution and find a safe and secure > workplace. > > But instead of taking steps to investigate the assault on Amy, and > to ensure a violence- and harassment-free workplace, it is Amy and > the Democracy Now! team that are now being disciplined by Pacifica > Executive Director Bessie Wash. > > For more than a week, Pacifica management has refused to broadcast > live editions of Democracy Now! that Amy and her staff have been > producing from Downtown Community Television (DCTV). This is > despite the fact that other shows at WBAI are produced from > alternate sites and fed to the station by ISDN line. > > Despite Pacifica's claims that Amy had failed to report to work, > KPFA in Berkeley continues to air the live broadcasts of DN!, as > do several affiliates around the country who were able to get the > feed via phone, web and ISDN. But on the other four Pacifica > stations in New York, Washington, Houston and Los Angeles, > listeners were denied the show they have grown accustomed to > hearing each morning. > > For several days last week, Amy and DN! staffers Kris Abrams, Brad > Simpson and Anthony Sloan engaged in marathon negotiations with > their AFTRA union representative and Pacifica lawyers to defuse > the crisis. Before they would return to WBAI, the DN! staff > insisted minimally on firm written guarantees and actions by > Pacifica to assure their safety. They also asked for an > investigation of the Leid assault, an end to their banishment to a > second-class production studio at WBAI, and unrestricted access > with their own keys to the DN! offices. Clearly, if a station > manager is allowed to physically assault an employee, as Leid > did before eyewitnesses, and to deny basic quality working > conditions, without any censure from management, it provides a > greenlight for intimidation and attacks to continue. > > Quite predictably, on Saturday one of the most virulent and > violence-prone producers on WBAI, Clayton Riley, launched into an > on-air tirade of threats that were clearly directed at Amy and the > current crisis. "When you talk about the enemy, you find the > enemy, you isolate the enemy and you destroy the enemy," said > Riley. "These people have put themselves in the position of being > the enemies. This conflict is not going to end, in my judgment and > let me be clear about that, until the dissidents, until the so- > called exile community is destroyed. Unequivocally." > > This echoes Station Manager Utrice Leid's own statements, some of > which on NPR's Morning Edition of June 21st: "I need you stalwart > soldiers out there ... This is a call to arms. I told you, it's a > war." Leid said that some of those who she says were sabotaging > the station are "right here with us." Listen to NPR's report at > http://search.npr.org/cf/cmn/cmnpd01fm.cfm?PrgDate=6%2F21%2F2001&PrgID=3 > > > AFTRA SELLS OUT TO PACIFICA MANAGEMENT > > Unfortunately, the AFTRA union seemed at times to be in > management's pocket. Rather than militantly fight for firm > guarantees of physical safety for Amy, the AFTRA rep wanted the > DN! staff to settle for a vaguely-worded policy statement from > Pacifica reaffirming that the workplace should be free of threats. > The same statement contained a so-called "management rights" > clause that required all employees to obey any directives from > management, except those that violated the union contract. Since > the AFTRA contract has no sections dealing with on-the-job safety, > that provision thus required Amy and her staff to follow any > orders, even if they felt physically threatened. In addition, the > union was willing to settle for a Pacifica promise to conduct an > investigation of the alleged assault and to report back on the > progress of the investigation by Sept. 10. In other words, no > conclusion to the investigation was required at that time, only a > report of "progress". How long does it take to investigate whether > a supervisor physically attacked an employee? Aren't there > numerous recently installed surveillance cameras at WBAI that > probably captured the assault on tape? Aren't there several > witnesses to the act? > > As a veteran union representative with the Newspaper Guild, I must > ask, why would a union rep cave in so easily to management? > > Well, what is not widely known is that the WBAI paid staff, with > the apparent blessing of Pacifica management, is seeking to > decertify another union with a much more militant history of > worker defense -- the United Electrical Workers, and to affiliate > instead to AFTRA. AFTRA officials are reportedly even willing to > waive their union's astronomically-high union initiation fees just > to gain a foothold in WBAI. > > Quite simply, it appears that AFTRA is selling out Amy and the > staff at DN! and will soon be amply rewarded with many more new > dues-paying members at WBAI. > > CALL AFTRA TODAY! > > We urge you, especially those of you who are union members, to > call AFTRA headquarters today and ask to speak to union president > Greg Hessinger. The AFTRA national office telephone number is 212- > 532-0800. The fax number is 212-532-2242. Or e-mail him at: > ghessing@.... > > Tell him that Amy Goodman and the DN! staff should not be forced > to report to a job site where they are physically attacked by > supervisors and where staff members go on the air to urge their > physical destruction. That is fascism, not democracy, and no union > should collaborate with such policies. > > THE FIGHT MOVES TO THE COURTS AND THE STREETS! > > Plaintiffs in the various law suits against the Pacifica board > have asked for an expedited hearing this Wednesday in Alameda > County Superior Court over this latest attack on Democracy Now! As > part of a court stipulation between the two sides, Pacifica cannot > unilaterally make changes in national programming, including > Democracy Now!, and the litigants are seeking an injunction. While > we are hopeful that the judge will rule appropriately, we cannot > place all our faith in the courts. Pacifica now has an even more > expensive and politically-connected corporate law firm than it had > before. > > We urge you to keep up your phone calls and e-mails to Pacifica > management demanding that Democracy Now! come back on the air. > Thousands have spoken. We urge you to continue. Also organize > protests in your listening area during the next few days and weeks > against Pacifica management and the renegade board members who > still refuse to restore democratic accountability and free speech > to the network. > > Already there has been a tremendous response from community > stations nationwide. And endorsements for Democracy Now! have come > far and wide, from activist Pam Africa to actor Danny Glover to > the Journalists for Democratic Rights in Nigeria. And thanks for > all your great e-mails to the Pacifica Campaign. We appreciate > them and will try to respond as soon as we can. > > A National Day of Solidarity is planned for this Tuesday, August > 28. Hold a picket in front of your local Pacifica or affiliate > station in support of the DN! team. Organize a radio program on > the crisis. The Pacifica Campaign will be happy to come on to talk > about the crisis. Also, please send a contribution to the Pacifica > Campaign. Tax deductible contributions can be made to: Institute > for Media Analysis-Pacifica Campaign. Our mailing address: > Pacifica Campaign, 51 MacDougal St., #80, New York, NY, 10012. > > In the meantime, please be sure to contact AFTRA and make the > phone calls, faxes or e-mails listed below. > > In struggle, > > Juan Gonzalez > > > *********************************************************** > > WHAT YOU CAN DO ! > > Pick up the phone, organize demonstrations, notify all you come in > contact with not to contribute to any Pacifica fundraisers, until > democracy returns to the Pacifica network and the fired and the > banned have been returned. Demand that the hijacker Pacifica > National Board members resign now and the immediate resignations > and dismissals of Bessie Wash and Utrice Leid. > > Please call, fax, e-mail or mail the following individuals. > Contact as many times possible until you feel that your voice has > been heard. Your phone calls are important. Keep the message > straightforward, no profanity, or name calling. Victory is > certain, we will win. > > Call AFTRA headquarters today and ask to speak to union president > Greg Hessinger. The AFTRA national office telephone number is 212- > 532-0800. The fax number is 212-532-2242. Or e-mail him at: > ghessing@.... > > Tell him that Amy Goodman and the DN! staff should not be forced > to report to a job site where they are physically attacked by > supervisors and where staff members go on the air to urge their > physical destruction. That is fascism, not democracy, and no union > should collaborate with such policies. > > Pacifica Board Vice Chair Ken Ford > Tel: 800-368-5242 ext. 228 > Tel: (301) 350-6388 > Fax: 202-822-0369 > E-mail: kenfordpacifica@..., kford@... > > Ken Ford's boss at the National Association of Home Builders: > Jerry Howard, CEO 800-368-5242 ext. 257 > E-mail: jhoward@... > Ask that the NAHB's Ken Ford resign from the Pacifica Board today > > Pacifica Board member Valrie Chambers > Tel: 361-825-6012 > Fax: 281-655-0266 > E-mail: Valrie.Chambers@..., valriechambers@... > > Pacifica Board member Wendell L. Johns > Tel: 202-752-5355 > Fax: 202-752-4281 > E-mail: wendell_L_johns@... > > Cut the below list of email addresses, paste it into the To: line > of your email composition form. Also go to: > http://www.progressiveportal.org/letters/pacifica/resign/ > > Bmwpacifica@..., uleid@..., sypacifica@..., > kford@..., KenFordPacifica@..., jmurdock@..., > wendell_L_johns@..., Alfigo@..., > valriechambers@..., Valrie.Chambers@..., > jhoward@..., bsmith@..., > pacificacampaign@..., ghessing@... > > > > ========================================= > MEMO FROM THE DEMOCRACY NOW! STAFF > ========================================= > TO: Pacifica National Board and Pacifica management > FROM: Democracy Now! Staff > DATE: 8/20/01 > RE: safety > > As you know, the Democracy Now! staff spent last week > negotiating with Pacifica management over how our safety could be > guaranteed. The talks came after two attacks, one physical and > one verbal. > > On Friday, August 10, WBAI Station Manager Utrice Leid > physically assaulted Amy Goodman. On Monday, August 13, the > Operations Director Sidney Smith and morning show host Marjorie > Moore began yelling at Amy as soon as she entered the station. > They followed her to her office, and when Democracy Now! > producer Brad Simpson closed the door after her, Smith used his > master key to re-enter. They continued to yell at us as we tried > to prepare for the morning's program, until the on-air host came > out of master control to tell them to stop disturbing his > broadcast. > > We left after our broadcast, believing we could no longer safely > work at WBAI. We waited for a response to our Friday e-mails to > management about the first attack. When no response came, we > wrote our second letter laying out why we felt we had no recourse, > but to find an alternative space from which to broadcast and > produce Democracy Now! It was only then that management > responded. > > For the next three days, the Democracy Now! staff negotiated in > good faith, attempting to reach agreement with management on a > minimum set of safety guarantees for our return. We agreed not to > comment publicly during the negotiations. > > Meanwhile, the situation at WBAI deteriorated. On Thursday > morning before Democracy Now!, the newly installed morning show > staff used the time to encourage listeners to attack Amy and > Democracy Now! As further evidence of the increasingly > unprofessional and hostile workplace, when people voiced their > support, the hosts either mocked them or cut short their calls > with the sound of a flushing toilet. > > On Saturday, the verbal harassment reached a peak, when > producer Clayton Riley said on the air: "When you talk about the > enemy, you find the enemy, you isolate the enemy and you > destroy the enemy. These people have put themselves in the > position of being the enemies. This conflict is not going to end, > in my judgment and let me be clear about that, until the > dissidents, until the so-called exile community is destroyed. > Unequivocally." > > This echoes Station Manager Utrice Leid's own oft-repeated > comments, some of which aired around the nation on NPR's Morning > Edition of June 21st: > > "I need you stalwart soldiers out there. This is a call to arms. I > told you, it's a war." Leid said that some of those who she says > were sabotaging the station are right here with us. > > These inflammatory comments are not just words. Several months > ago, Clayton physically moved in on WBAI reporter Robert Knight > for coming to Amy's defense, shouting repeatedly "Stop kissing > the ass of that white bitch." Minutes later, he assaulted Knight > in Utrice Leid's office, while she looked on. > > Riley has also threatened to pay a hitman $400 to break the legs > of Democracy Now! engineer Anthony Sloan. He has screamed > obscenities at former Democracy Now! producer Terry Allen. In > each case, we informed WBAI and Pacifica management of these > incidents. Management never responded. > > Furthermore, Clayton was not disciplined, but rewarded: Utrice > Leid has since doubled the air-time of his weekly program. The > hate-filled, violent on and off-air harassment and intimidation > only intensified after Leid's assault on Amy. > > While Pacifica management has offered to post a statement > asserting that WBAI is a nonviolent workplace, they refused to > prohibit the on-air personal attacks, which gives a green light > for the kind of assault and harassment we experienced last week. > They also have refused to give Amy a key to the station or even to > her own office. She is locked out until she hands over her home > and cell phone numbers to the very person who assaulted her. > > We have an interim solution. As we have communicated, we have > a safe and even technically superior studio from which to > broadcast. Democracy Now! will continue to work at Downtown > Community Television until our safety at WBAI can be guaranteed > in a meaningful way. > > This will: > > - preclude further intimidation, harassment and assault > - de-escalate the situation > - provide us with a technically superior studio at no cost > - lessen Pacifica's liability > > It also answers Leid's demand. On the air, she has said we will > throw the unwanted tenants out. Off the air, she has stormed into > our office, insisting that we find an alternative studio. > > There is ample precedent for this arrangement. At least three men > broadcast from offsite studios daily for Pacifica and WBAI: Gary > Null (M-F, 12-1 pm), Armand DeMille (M-F, 1 to 2 pm), and > Pacifica Network News correspondent Bob Hennelly (daily for PNN > and weekly for WBAI). > > For these men, broadcasting from an alternative site is a > convenience. For us, it has become a necessary safety > precaution. > > We feel it is our responsibility to continue to provide Democracy > Now! to the Pacifica stations and affiliates, as we have for > nearly six years. Because WBAI is presently an unsafe workplace, > last week we broadcast from DCTV. > > The programs were technically perfect, of higher broadcast quality > than even WBAI provides. But most importantly, we are safe. > > Until we feel our safety is guaranteed at WBAI, the incidents we > described are adequately investigated and dealt with, and the on- > air personal attacks stop, we see no other option but to continue > to produce and broadcast Democracy Now! in this manner. > > Our safety is non-negotiable. We hope you agree. > > Signed, > > Amy Goodman, host of Democracy Now! > Kris Abrams, producer of Democracy Now! > Brad Simpson, producer of Democracy Now! > Anthony Sloan, engineer of Democracy Now! > > > > ********************************************************** > website: http//www.savepacifica.net > email: savepacifica@... > to subscribe/unsubscribe visit: http://www.savepacifica.net/subscribe.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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so then they do support the greens for positions the people are not organized to win, why all the jibberish? and they lie - for the record, and this is for all who may have missed it - AL GORE WON THE VOTE! BUSH2 IS A THEIF! -fuk nadir- Smash Schundler! women, revolutionaries, progressives, workers, youth, small businesses and the peoples' defensive of democracy vote McGreasy! WOMEN�S DEFENSE- SMASH SCHUNDLER! Defend Women�s Reproductive Rights Now! Waste Sexist/Racist Republicans! Organize to Defeat Schundler & Promote McGreasy for Governor Come to the next Peoples� Campaign meeting Saturday, August 25 1:00pm NB Public Library Register NJ to Vote! Contact Sisterhood & Struggle Tamara 732.729.0390 joe smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy part of the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign 732.586.5535 can_bush@... >From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...>, siddharta5@..., >savewbai@yahoogroups.com >CC: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com, amirib@..., MeadHajduk@..., >hajdukmi@..., jmodibo@..., Paul Surovell <Paul4sure@...> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Response to Rothenberg's on-air analysis of the fascist >rule and WBAI >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT) > >Friends, >This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not a >discussion board but an >announcement board which I moderate. >I will not post it but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS: >Fred N. (NJ) >--- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote: > > > > This is an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's > > support of Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush >& > > the right stole the 2001 election. > >Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI > > Interesting, but one of David > > Rothenburg's main errors (similar to what we've heard from > > WBAI/naderites/greens since the X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead >with > > Hitler (Lead is a bullying traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, >but > > not a fascist & to call her a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 & > > Co.--though WBAI coup is certainly part of erotion of democracy in US), > > According to Rothenberg, the #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, >while > > Bush2/Republican/REAL FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of >proper > > historic analysis) even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that >WBAI's > > support of Nader helped throw the election to B2!! > >Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by the way, he >announces that he may >never return because he is likely to be fired for saying what he was >saying. I do agree with >David on the point that the methods used by Utrice Leid are common to the >fascists (suppression of >speech, intimidation/public humiliation, false claims of theft/violence and >constant personal >attacks. U. Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance >system complete with >card-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. I also >agree that the Democratic >Party has betrayed the American working class and is now dominated by >people who are doing the >bidding of very large corporations and global finance interests. The fact >that Amy Goodman >reported on Nader does not mean that WBAI was a station controlled by the >Greens. > > There's a deep imbalance > > of perspective that needs to be corrected here in terms of the Green >Party > > histortic role in 2001, causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and >Rep's > > as no worse. (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green >voting > > base!! > >Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did not defeat >Al Gore. Al Gore and >the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored campaigning turned off voters and >defeated Al Gore. Half >of all registers don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporate >contributions did not >change that. > >To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair was there, but > > not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the working >class > > from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. on the left, >to > > think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of the name > > fascism! > >Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular rallies >around the country that >were not covered by the mass medias. It's a bitch to try to be prez >without money and free >publicity from the corporate medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission >states: air the voices of >dissent that are not presented anywhere else. > >Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same people say, > > "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) because it >will > > only strengthen the resisitance" >Reply: Someone said that? Who? David Rothenberg? > > Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in > > the 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy >Goodman > > & Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > >Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation forPublic Broadcasting >funding which allowed >board members from large corporations to be named to the Pacifica Board and >a series of executives >with connections with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and >undertake its >destruction. David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert >Knight, Juan Gonzales, >Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery Brown, Mario Murillo, Ken Nash >and Bernard White's >Wake Up Call's crew know. >The democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national >security state and >prison/military industrial complex with the same motives of fear, greed and >hubris than their >republican friends. > >Wake up Matt, WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, >yes, the fascist state >will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > >Message Follows---- > > From: CFNJ-Communications <siddharta5@...> > > To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Transcript: Rothenberg's on-air analysis of the > > fascist rule and WBAI > > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 07:29:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > David Rothenberg Saturday did an on-air analysis citing the >similarities > > in > > > the rise of the Third Reich with what has happened at WBAI since the > > Christmas > > > Coup, including setting up a scapegoat and Leid's power hungry >demands > > for > > > slavish loyalty with no criticism allowed. He also commented on the > > security > > > system the likes of which he said he hadn't seen since he visited >Sing > > Sing. > > > He also announced that he has been "summoned by the powers that be" >for a > > > meeting later this week and doesn't expect to be on air much longer. > > > > > > Below is a transcript of his comparative analysis. Audio version is > > > on-line at > > > http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=3514 > > > > > > ==================== > > > > > > It's just about 10 o'clock on WBAI fm in New York, 99.5 listener- > > > sponsored radio. I'm David Rothenberg. > > > > > > From time to time I've cited William Shirer's book, "The Rise and > > > Fall of the Third Reich," as one of the most influential and > > > important books in my lifetime of reading. When I read it I was well > > > familiar with the horror stories, the endless atrocities committed by > > > the Nazis, but I wanted to understand all of the aspects which > > > permitted Hitler's rise to power - the historic precedents, the > > > political, the religious, psychological and economic climate which > > > saw a people allowing a tyrant to take on the world to satisfy some > > > peculiar sick need. And of course we have seen traces of that in > > > other parts of the world at other times, some successful, others > > > sputtering out in its infancy. > > > > > > During the Guiliani years, in all of the Guiliani years I've often >cited > > > Shirer's book, only to be the recipient of sharp criticism mostly > > > saying that I besmirched the memory of holocaust victims by such > > > glib comparisons. I certainly didn't compare Guiliani's reign in New > > > York with the Final Solutions of Hitler, but if we're to learn >anything > > > from the rise of Hitler, as Shirer outlines in his book, it's to > > > recognize the traits that exist when a tyrant takes over a country, > > > or a city, or a corporation, or a non-profit organization. > > > > > > What did I learn from "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?" > > > > > > One, nearly every government or corporate enterprise has a > > > shadow ruling body: industrialists, or boards of directors, who work > > > behind the scenes. Who are the continuing power brokers. Who > > > want government to run smoothly, maintaining a sense of > > > democracy but always protecting the privileged and the powerful > > > and the controllers of the purse strings. They could be > > > manufacturers or real estate empire kings, or a board of directors. > > > > > > When there's a crisis, economic or a sense that control is being > > > lost, there's a political edge that emerges. Power brokers seek out > > > a strong personality to take control and put things back into shape. > > > Usually with a blank check, unless or until it gets out of hand. > > > Sometimes it goes way beyond what the industrialists need. That's > > > when bloodshed often happens. > > > > > > There's always a law and order personality in the crowd, someone > > > with deep psychological, sometimes pathological, needs to be > > > fulfilled to take charge and to be all-powerful. History has >recorded > > > such individuals and their rapid rise and their inevitable falls. > > > > > > If you follow the blueprint of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" > > > you discover that the rising tyrant needs a number of things in > > > place, all inter-related and to be acted upon together. Rhat would > > > be, one, a scapegoat or scapegoats. Two, a military or security > > > control, justified because of the alleged threats of the scapegoats. > > > Three, elimination of charismatic opposition, holders of a > > > democratic process. > > > > > > All of this is with the silent approval of the power brokers, the > > > economic controllers. We don't have to paint the picture that Hitler > > > and the Krupp empire drew, but look at Guiliani's administration. > > > The scapegoats were defined in a number of ways. It was clearly > > > perceived to be young, Black males. They were the police targets. > > > No nay-sayers were permitted in the Guiliani administration, and it > > > did not and has not represented the diversity of this city. And the > > > blockading off of City Hall reflected a bunker mentality. > > > > > > But our checks and balances, often through the courts, people > > > suing Guiliani, a reasonably free press and due process put a rein > > > on much of Guiliani's terror. But his inclinations were clear. It is > > > why he has frightened me. > > > > > > His fall from grace came when decent people responded to the > > > incredible cases of Louima, Diallo and the Dorsimond cases. And > > > then hizzoner's personal peccadilloes, the hypocrisy, the conflict > > > with his moral posturing. > > > > > > And then we come to the takeover of this station. A small blip in > > > the political scheme of things, but a voice that was heard with > > > much interest by the Democratic Party during the elections when > > > "too much" time was spent justifying third party realities. Pacifica > > > and WBAI, specifically WBAI, could be held responsible for > > > marginal voters going for Nader, throwing the election to Bush. > > > > > > With the former chair of the board closely tied to the outgoing > > > presidential administration and still the puller- of- strings at > > > Pacifica, serving two masters at the same time, or maybe serving > > > one master at the expense of the other. Three weeks after the > > > Supreme Court ruled that George Bush would be president, some > > > drastic changes took place at this little station in the middle of >the > > > FM dial. > > > > > > A scapegoat was found: she the interviewer of Bill Clinton on > > > Election Day; she who had Ralph Nader as her partner during the > > > GOP convention. The charismatic people's voices were dismissed > > > without warning. Fired. Locked out. And the security system went > > > into place. > > > > > > And the sole criteria for being part of the decision-making is >loyalty > > > to the chief. Talents long-abandoned or overlooked rose to the top, > > > just like Rudolph Hess in the Hitler years during the Third Reich. > > > For the sole measure of visibility or audibility was loyalty and > > > joining in the scapegoating. > > > > > > I have attempted to abide by the gag rule imposed on us, but when > > > I hear continual slander about my colleagues I feel that the gag rule > > > is tantamount to remaining silent during the rise of the Third Reich. > > > Amy Goodman has been verbally and now physically abused at > > > this station. Bernard White's name and professional skills have > > > been assaulted by persons who, quite candidly, can't hold a candle > > > to his talents. > > > > > > The interim manager of this station is irrationally obsessed by Amy > > > Goodman. Amy's reportorial skills, her large following and the > > > accolades she's received. Abuse of Amy is the sole criteria for a > > > place at the table at WBAI now, and slavish obedience is what is > > > expected. And I find all of that intolerable. > > > > > > It's all very confused, and never-defined motives are revealed as > > > power relished for itself. But always forgotten, for those who don't > > > know their history, is that every rise of a Third Reich is followed >by > > > a fall. > > > > > > Stay tuned. Pay close attention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://savewbai.tao.ca > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list > > > email lists@... with: unsubscribe savewbai > > > or visit http://lists.tao.ca > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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From: "ken nash" <knash@...>
To: <knash@...>
CC: "WBAI In Exile" <wbaiinexile@...>
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Building Bridges presents Harry Belafonte over
www.wbix.org
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:28:03 -0700
WBAI RADIO IN EXILE -
presents
BUILDING BRIDGES:
Your Community and Labor Report in Exile
produced by Mimi Rosenberg and Ken Nash
Wednesday, August 22nd , 8-9pm (EST) over internet radio
www.wbix.org
WBIX is produced by Errol Maitland and Ryme Katkhouda
Our feature story will be:
A CONVERSATION WITH HARRY BELAFONTE
a wide ranging interview by Building Bridges' Mimi Rosenberg and
Ken Nash with Mr. Belanfonte reflecting on his life with and views about
the labor and civil rights movements over much of the last century.
Throughout Mr. Belafonte, of course, pays special attention to the role
of the media and of media workers in the struggle for social change
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From: iww-news-admin@... [mailto:iww-news-admin@...]On Behalf Of
David Christian
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:54 AM
To: iww-news@...
Subject: [IWW-News] Colombia: International Women's March Blockaded by
Paramilitaries
International Women's March Blockaded by Paramilitaries
por Justin Podur 8:10pm Fri Aug 17 '01
justin.podur@...
The plenary event for the international women's mobilization for
peace has been blockaded by paramilitaries as of this morning
BARRANCABERMEJA- August 15, 2001, reported Pablo Leal, a member of
the Canada-Colombia Solidarity Campaign's 'Minga for Life and Against
Violence', this morning. The plenary event, at the Club Infantes, is
attended by 2-3000 people, organized by the Organizacion Feminina
Popular, the Popular Women's Organization. It is part of a large
mobilization organized by the national women's organizations of
Colombia in Barrancabermeja, one of the most conflict-ridden regions
in Colombia.
The road away from the event has been blocked by a group of several
hundred paramilitaries. The paramilitaries are carrying signs that
accuse the mobilization of 'buying and corrupting the youth for the
insurgency', and are accusing the human rights and peace workers of
actually working on behalf of the insurgency. The buses that brought
people to the mobilization are parked across the street from the Club
Infantes. The paramilitaries have stationed themselves
between the club and the buses.
This tactic, of accusing human rights defenders and peace and
justice workers of being tools of the insurgency, is a standard
practice of the paramilitaries and their allies in Colombia. It is an
attempt to instill fear and to justify violent action against
peaceful, unarmed members of civil society who are working for
social justice.
The mobilization is certainly a peaceful, unarmed action, and is most
definitely not the tool of any armed actor. It is a mobilization of
Colombian people, principally women, who have suffered war and
injustice and who are seeking to be authors of peace.
The Canada-Colombia Solidarity Campaign is on the ground,
participating in the mobilization, and asks for international
solidarity in protecting the peaceful 'invisible
struggles' from armed actors who cannot countenance civil and popular
movements taking action, peacefully and independently, for their own
rights and in their own
interests.
Pablo Leal, CCSC, reporting
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by Veronica Cunningham
i am not a quiet poet.
i want to know Truths.
Hear the reason of Dreams
Hear the wonder of Questions
I want
to hear words that travel Heart
into the World
That reflect the lights
and darks
Escaped, or allowed
Disguised or naked
Words
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Truth or lies, real or trusted
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(I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING TO MY POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL ELECTIONS IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. I'VE DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S LETTER--AND TO HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & STRUGGLE) Fred N. wrote: Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not a discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not post it but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> This is an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support of Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the right stole the 2001 election. Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT WBAI, THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW �BANNED AND FIRED� WHO WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP IN TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since the X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a bullying traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to call her a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to Rothenberg, the #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic analysis) even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of Nader helped throw the election to B2!! Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by the way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be fired for saying what he was saying. MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE UP FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT WBAI. WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY, AS WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, I HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING INFORMATION, ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE ENOUGH WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by Utrice Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, intimidation/public humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant personalattacks. U. Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance systemcomplete withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE METHODS USED TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH �AUTHORITARIAN� OR �TOTALITARIAN� METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT �FASCISM� HAS A VERY SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS BEEN LABELED A �FASCIST� WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT CHIDED SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE BUSH2CREW, THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding of very large corporations and global finance interests. MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM�S EVER SERVED THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS PARTY, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE CORPORATIONS. EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO �SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS�. OUR ARGUMENT HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. THE GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING THE VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING THE CAMPAIGN? Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that WBAI was a station controlled by the Greens. MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that needs to be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did not defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all registers don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions did not change that. MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THE GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG �LEFT�, DE FACTO, GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.�S OBSCENE COURT, NOT FROM GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE NADER SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR �GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, PART II�- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS WELL INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS MOST JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the f-f-FASCISTS) AS THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON THE VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH AMMENDMENTS OUT THE SCARY WINDOW�-ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of the name> fascism! Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. It's a bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the corporate medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of dissent that are not presented anywhere else. MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE GREEN PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE BODY. WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN SOME TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, �UNITY & STRUGGLE� ISSUED THE CALL TO FORM A �LEFT-BLOC� UNITED FRONT TO �MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE TOGETHER� AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE LEFT IN OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE CLOSED BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE IN NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A �PEOPLES� DEMOCRACY� CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN NEWARK.) BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH THE SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE GUBENETORIAL RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE�S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTRIST-PUPPET MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR THE NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY�THEIR PROBLEM (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER THAN JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE SHORT TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN PARTY STRATEGY. -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said that? Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman> & Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations to be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with connections with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its destruction. MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND OF GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE JURY THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT TO THEM THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN INTRIGUING CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND �NPR�-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT CORPORATE �UNDERWRITING� IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, ONLY THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE�S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER WORKED IN THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF WBAI DOES NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF PUBLIC LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? HOW ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI BARAKA�S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, YOU�LL SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE�S �CONVERSION� TO CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT�S SUCH A VITAL COMPONENT OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE IS STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (BTW, MR. JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY THE DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY SUGGEST THE MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE WOULD THINK. Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery Brown, Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. The democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same motives of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET�S CALL IT WHAT IT IS.) Fred's: Wake up Matt, (PRESENTE!) WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the fascist state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, UTELIZE REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR UNITY -MATTHEW SMITH) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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From: "ken nash" <knash@...>
To: <knash@...>
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] NATIONAL DAY OF SOLIDARITY WITH DEMOCRACY NOW!
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:09:33 -0700
A Call to Action from Media Alliance and the Pacifica Campaign
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NATIONAL DAY OF SOLIDARITY WITH DEMOCRACY NOW!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
When: Tuesday, August 28
Where: Your Local Pacifica or community radio station
What: Show solidarity with Amy Goodman and the Democracy Now! staff
Tuesday, August 28,7:30 a.m. to 10 a.m. we're having a
major demonstration in front of 120 Wall St. We're
going there to show them that we mean business: Hands
off Amy and Democracy Now! is our theme.
Amy Goodman and the Democracy Now! team have been suspended without pay
for insisting on violence-free workplace. And Democracy Now!, which is
being produced from a safe site in lower Manhattan and not Pacifica
station WBAI, has been yanked off the air.
At WBAI, the Democracy Now! staff have been physically and verbally
attacked by interim station manager Utrice Leid and other Leid
loyalists. When Pacifica senior management ignored their repeated
written requests that something be done about the intolerable
atmosphere of intimidation and threats, they felt they had no choice
but to fashion some interim solution last week
and find a safe and secure workplace to produce the show.
No worker should be forced to report to a job site where they are
physically attacked by supervisors and where staff members go on the
air to urge their physical destruction. Let's stand in solidarity with
Democracy Now! on Tuesday, August 28.
WHAT YOU CAN DO
1. Make a contribution to the Pacifica Campaign, a grass-roots
organization representing listeners and staff alike, fighting to
preserve Pacifica's 50-year tradition of progressive, community-based
radio. Tax deductible contributions may be made to our fiscal sponsor,
a 501 (c) (3) organization. Make checks payable to: Institute for Media
Analysis-Pacifica Campaign. Our mailing address: The Pacifica Campaign,
51 MacDougal St., #80, NY, NY 10012
2. Please call, fax, e-mail or mail the individuals listed below.
Contact them as many times possible until you feel that your voice has
been heard. Your phone calls are important. Keep the message
straightforward, no profanity or name calling. Demand the immediate
dismissals of Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash and WBAI station
manager Utrice Leid. The Pacifica Campaign will organize a national
call in for Tuesday, August 28.
WHO TO CONTACT
Pacifica Board Vice Chair Ken Ford
Tel: 800-368-5242 ext. 228
Tel: (301) 350-6388
Fax: 202-822-0369
E-mail: kenfordpacifica@..., kford@...
Ken Ford's boss at the National Association of Home Builders:
Jerry Howard, CEO 800-368-5242 ext. 257
E-mail: jhoward@...
Ask that the NAHB's Ken Ford resign from the Pacifica Board today
Pacifica Board member Valerie Chambers
Tel: 361-825-6012 Fax: 281-655-0266
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Government releases more than 600
boxes of records from panel seeking
communist moles
By DEB RIECHMANN
The Associated Press
8/25/01 12:59 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- During the hunt for communists in
the 1940s,
congressional investigators heard hours of secret
testimony about how
left-wingers in the movie industry were trying to paint
Tinseltown red.
Newly released transcripts reveal the House Committee
on Un-American
Activities was told that Soviet sympathizers made a
science out of
seeding films with communist propaganda.
Actors, screenwriters and producers -- mostly friendly
witnesses with
anti-communist views -- testified in Los Angeles in the
late 1940s that
communists infiltrated trade unions, slipped jabs at
capitalism into scripts
and schooled young actors on how to inject pro-Soviet
doctrine into
scenes.
"Hollywood is one of the main centers of communist
activities in America
due to the fact that our greatest medium for propaganda
-- the motion
pictures -- is located here," actor Adolphe Menjou
testified in a
closed-door May 1947 hearing. "It is the desire of the
masters in Moscow
to use this medium for their purposes, which is for the
overthrow of the
American government."
It's been more than 50 years since members of the
committee took their
anti-communism bandwagon to California and summoned
Hollywood
figures to testify at public hearings, which led to
blacklisting of some of
filmdom's most famous names and ruined hundreds of
careers. What
witnesses told the committee in executive session has
been sealed until
now.
The National Archives released more than 600 boxes of
records this
month from the committee's investigations of Hollywood,
the Ku Klux
Klan, American Nazis, civil rights and anti-war
activists, atomic espionage
and the case of Alger Hiss, a former State Department
official accused of
being a communist spy. The Klan probe was stopped after
the the
committee's chief counsel, Ernest Adamson, announced
the panel did
not have enough data to investigate.
The publicity the committee generated from its
Hollywood investigation
prevented the Communist Party USA from "raising
significant amounts of
money to propagandize the American public through an
instrument
designed for entertainment," Herb Romerstein, an
investigator for the
committee from 1965 to 1975, said in an interview
Friday.
Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley, a California author who
wrote a book that said
communists seduced the film industry, agreed.
"Their ultimate objective was to co-opt the industry.
It was a very bold
plan. They came close, but they ultimately failed,"
Billingsley said Friday.
He said the committee wrongly focused on the content of
movies instead
of how communists infiltrated Hollywood unions.
"The hearings were a circus," Billingsley said. "I
think they discredited
themselves and wasted a lot of time and gave the
Communist Party a real
publicity coup."
The communists worked in insidious ways, screenwriter
Jack Moffitt told
the committee in 1947.
He testified that John Howard Lawson, a writer, member
of the American
Communist Party and founder of the Screen Writers
Guild, advised him to
"try to get five minutes of left-wing doctrine into
every script you write."
Moffitt said Lawson told him to write the Soviet
propaganda into scenes
involving highly paid actors or many extras because
executives wouldn't
be so quick to cut or re-shoot expensive scenes.
"If you are merely an extra playing a member of a
country club, play it in a
way that will invite prejudice against the class
represented," Lawson
advised acting students, according to Moffitt. "If you
are an extra in a
street scene of a tenement district or in any poor
surrounding, play your
part to excite sympathy."
Jack Warner, then vice president of Warner Bros., told
the committee that
subtle communist references were tough to excise.
"Some of these lines have innuendoes and double
meanings and things
like that, and you have to take eight or 10 Harvard law
courses to find out
what they mean," he said.
The transcripts revealed that the committee went so far
as to look at tax
records. Chief investigator Robert Stripling said he
had seen a return of
screenwriter Donald Ogden Stewart, which showed
contributions to front
organizations.
Then Stripling said Stewart, to show contempt for the
American economic
system, claimed 35 cents in deductions, including a
25-cent donation to
the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
Romerstein said looking at tax records was not a usual
committee
practice.
"That's the first I've ever heard of that," he said.
"It was not something
that was routinely done, or could have been done. It
was a violation of
the law. The IRS did not turn such records over to
Congress."
Not all the witnesses were friendly.
On May 12, 1947, committee members called Johannes
Eisler, whose
brother was believed to be a top leader of the
Communist Party in
America. Believing the committee was on a witch hunt,
Eisler, who
composed music for movies, intentionally dodged
questions about his
trips to the Soviet Union and whether he attended
Communist Party
meetings.
Stripling suggested Eisler might be lying but said his
accusation was "not
on-the-record."
"Of course not. Not anything decent or fair would get
on the record," said
Eisler's attorney, Ben Margolis.
"I can sue you for calling me a liar," Eisler chimed
in.
The transcript of one closed hearing showed committee
members
complaining about the lack of movies with anti-Soviet
themes -- films that
would balance the likes of "Mission to Moscow," which
flattered Soviet
leader Josef Stalin.
Committee chairman J. Parnell Thomas, R-N.J., went so
far as to suggest
a plot line to an MGM executive of a movie showing
Soviet troops,
although allies, shooting down U.S. planes.
"It would show that even then, when we were fighting
side by side, hell,
there was no cooperation at all," Thomas said.
Another committee member, Rep. John McDowell, R-Pa.,
was offended.
Pro-Soviet films are "sowing the communist mind," he
said, but it would be
just as easy for Hollywood to go too far the other way.
"I think that
pictures ought to stay in the pure field of
entertainment," he said.
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I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their message reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to the fire. The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause [has caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, how does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- the public will not have heard of that person before?! In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils to win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party candidate and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the public awareness for the next election. On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to TRY do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the Green Party's continuing message for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media outlets, ...] If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be suicide to vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us that back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a worthy 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a better TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of funding for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's overflowing as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job done after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem by not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being participants in our own democratic government. We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and get the vote out. If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to business, 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a duck, and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like duck, is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' Up justice. Horrid P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating McGreevy has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, but how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true outcome of the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? What are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's analysis of the fascist rule and WBAI > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING TO MY > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL ELECTIONS > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. I'VE > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S LETTER--AND TO > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & STRUGGLE) > > > Fred N. wrote: > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not a > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not post it > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> This is > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support of > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the right > stole the 2001 election. > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT WBAI, > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' WHO > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP IN > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since the > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a bullying > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to call her > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to Rothenberg, the > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic analysis) > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of Nader > helped throw the election to B2!! > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by the > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be fired > for saying what he was saying. > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE UP > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT WBAI. > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY, AS > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, I > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING INFORMATION, > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE ENOUGH > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by Utrice > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, intimidation/public > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant personalattacks. U. > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance systemcomplete > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE METHODS USED > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR 'TOTALITARIAN' > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A VERY > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS BEEN > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT CHIDED > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE BUSH2CREW, > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding of very > large corporations and global finance interests. > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER SERVED > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS PARTY, AND > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE CORPORATIONS. > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR ARGUMENT > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. THE > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING THE > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING THE > CAMPAIGN? > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that WBAI > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that needs to > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did not > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all registers > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions did not > change that. > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THE > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE FACTO, > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT FROM > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE NADER > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, PART > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS WELL > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS MOST > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the f-f-FASCISTS) AS > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON THE > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH AMMENDMENTS > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of > the name> fascism! > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. It's a > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the corporate > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of dissent > that are not presented anywhere else. > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE GREEN > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE BODY. > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN SOME > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" ISSUED THE > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE LEFT IN > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE CLOSED > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO TO > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE IN > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' DEMOCRACY" > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN NEWARK.) > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH THE > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE GUBENETORIAL > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTRIST-PUPPET > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR THE > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR PROBLEM > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER THAN > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE SHORT > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN PARTY > STRATEGY. > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said that? > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman> & > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations to > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with connections > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its > destruction. > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND OF > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE JURY > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT TO THEM > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN INTRIGUING > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, ONLY > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER WORKED IN > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF WBAI DOES > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF PUBLIC > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? HOW > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, YOU'LL > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL COMPONENT > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE IS > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE DEMOCRATS > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (BTW, MR. > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY THE > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY SUGGEST THE > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE WOULD > THINK. > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery Brown, > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. The > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same motives > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S CALL > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > (PRESENTE!) > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the fascist > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, UTELIZE > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR UNITY -MATTHEW > SMITH) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man was never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when the Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of the Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of revolution was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to the Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor union bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to the Democrats. What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve the people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this kind of organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the Judas goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the first thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the goat is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole act no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't want voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's where someone like Coleman can play a part. We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a genuine revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party that can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; and, a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a very dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But you are right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party (i.e., a real one.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their message > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to the > fire. > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause [has > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, how > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- the > public will not have heard of that person before?! > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils to > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party candidate > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the > public awareness for the next election. > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to TRY > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the > Green Party's continuing message > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media outlets, > ...] > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be suicide to > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us that > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a worthy > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a better > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of funding > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's overflowing > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job done > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem by > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being > participants in our own democratic government. > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and get > the vote out. > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to business, > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a duck, > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like duck, > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' > > Up justice. > > Horrid > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating McGreevy > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, but > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true outcome of > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? What > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's analysis of > the fascist rule and WBAI > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING TO MY > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL ELECTIONS > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. I'VE > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S LETTER--AND TO > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & STRUGGLE) > > > > > > Fred N. wrote: > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not a > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not post > it > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> This > is > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support of > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the right > > stole the 2001 election. > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT WBAI, > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' WHO > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP IN > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since the > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a bullying > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to call > her > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to Rothenberg, > the > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic analysis) > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of > Nader > > helped throw the election to B2!! > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by the > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be fired > > for saying what he was saying. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE UP > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT WBAI. > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY, > AS > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, I > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING INFORMATION, > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE ENOUGH > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by Utrice > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, intimidation/public > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant personalattacks. > U. > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance systemcomplete > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE METHODS > USED > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR 'TOTALITARIAN' > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A VERY > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS BEEN > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT CHIDED > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE > BUSH2CREW, > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding of > very > > large corporations and global finance interests. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER SERVED > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY > HAVE > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS PARTY, > AND > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE CORPORATIONS. > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR > ARGUMENT > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. THE > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING THE > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING THE > > CAMPAIGN? > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that > WBAI > > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that needs > to > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did not > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all registers > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions did > not > > change that. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY > THE > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE FACTO, > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT FROM > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE NADER > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, PART > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS WELL > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS MOST > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the f-f-FASCISTS) > AS > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON THE > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH AMMENDMENTS > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban > Montclair > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone > the > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy > of > > the name> fascism! > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. It's > a > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the > corporate > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of > dissent > > that are not presented anywhere else. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE > GREEN > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE > BODY. > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN > SOME > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" ISSUED > THE > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE LEFT > IN > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE CLOSED > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO TO > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE IN > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' > DEMOCRACY" > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN NEWARK.) > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH THE > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE > GUBENETORIAL > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTRIST-PUPPET > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR THE > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR > PROBLEM > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER THAN > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE SHORT > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN PARTY > > STRATEGY. > > > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the > same > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said > that? > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman> > & > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations > to > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with connections > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its > > destruction. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND OF > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE JURY > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT TO > THEM > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN INTRIGUING > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, ONLY > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER WORKED IN > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS > INDIGNATION > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF WBAI > DOES > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF > PUBLIC > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? HOW > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, YOU'LL > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL > COMPONENT > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE IS > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE > DEMOCRATS > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (BTW, > MR. > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY THE > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY SUGGEST > THE > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE WOULD > > THINK. > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery Brown, > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. The > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same > motives > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S > CALL > > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > > > (PRESENTE!) > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the > fascist > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, UTELIZE > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR NITY -MATTHEW > > SMITH) > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
Howard- Though I don't know you personally, I must point out that by your statement that "If the PEOPLE don't get the (Green Party)message of their bad decision in short order, then the people are the problem." you belie the very opportunism that is behind the "We're it!"/Go-it-alone syndrome that is at the heart of the Green Party, and why their political assumptions and conclusions must be seriously challenged. I thankyou for the reaffirmation of my positions. (Btw, Some of your statements make me think that you may be confusing me with my brother Joe.) -Matt Smith ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, <siddharta5@...>, <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> CC: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, <amirib@...>, <MeadHajduk@...>, <hajdukmi@...>, <jmodibo@...>, <Paul4sure@...> Subject: [nbpc] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:12:38 -0400 I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their message reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to the fire. The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause [has caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, how does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- the public will not have heard of that person before?! In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils to win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party candidate and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the public awareness for the next election. On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to TRY do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the Green Party's continuing message for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media outlets, ...] If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be suicide to vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us that back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a worthy 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a better TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of funding for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's overflowing as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job done after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem by not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being participants in our own democratic government. We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and get the vote out. If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to business, 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a duck, and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like duck, is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' Up justice. Horrid P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating McGreevy has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, but how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true outcome of the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? What are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's analysis of the fascist rule and WBAI > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING TO MY > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING THAT > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL ELECTIONS > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. I'VE > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S LETTER--AND TO > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & STRUGGLE) > > > Fred N. wrote: > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not a > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not post it > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> This is > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support of > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the right > stole the 2001 election. > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT WBAI, > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' WHO > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP IN > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since the > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a bullying > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to call her > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to Rothenberg, the > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic analysis) > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of Nader > helped throw the election to B2!! > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by the > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be fired > for saying what he was saying. > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE UP > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT WBAI. > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY, AS > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, I > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING INFORMATION, > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE ENOUGH > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by Utrice > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, intimidation/public > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant personalattacks. U. > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance systemcomplete > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE METHODS USED > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR 'TOTALITARIAN' > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A VERY > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS BEEN > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT CHIDED > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE BUSH2CREW, > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding of very > large corporations and global finance interests. > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER SERVED > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY HAVE > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS PARTY, AND > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE CORPORATIONS. > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR ARGUMENT > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. THE > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING THE > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING THE > CAMPAIGN? > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that WBAI > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that needs to > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did not > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all registers > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions did not > change that. > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY THE > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE FACTO, > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT FROM > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE NADER > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, PART > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS WELL > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS MOST > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the f-f-FASCISTS) AS > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON THE > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH AMMENDMENTS > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban Montclair > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone the > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., esp. > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's worthy of > the name> fascism! > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. It's a > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the corporate > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of dissent > that are not presented anywhere else. > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE GREEN > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE BODY. > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN SOME > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" ISSUED THE > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE LEFT IN > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE CLOSED > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO TO > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE IN > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' DEMOCRACY" > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN NEWARK.) > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH THE > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE GUBENETORIAL > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTRIST-PUPPET > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR THE > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR PROBLEM > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER THAN > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE SHORT > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN PARTY > STRATEGY. > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the same > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real fascists) > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said that? > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy Goodman> & > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations to > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with connections > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its > destruction. > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND OF > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE JURY > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT TO THEM > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN INTRIGUING > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, ONLY > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER WORKED IN > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF WBAI DOES > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF PUBLIC > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? HOW > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, YOU'LL > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL COMPONENT > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE IS > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE DEMOCRATS > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT THAT > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (BTW, MR. > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY THE > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY SUGGEST THE > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE WOULD > THINK. > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery Brown, > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. The > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same motives > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S CALL > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > (PRESENTE!) > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the fascist > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, UTELIZE > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR UNITY -MATTHEW > SMITH) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... 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all eyes on hunger-fraud the "judas-goat". the "first thing to do", under the circumstances, is to keep the "butcher" out of "recognized" political power, i.e. governor, president... this means now: smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! as we build the necessary peoples' political organization to defeat them both. you shd know that hunger-fraud encouraged splitting the anti-bush vote in '00, endorsing nadir's folly, & encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the contradictions between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". objectively (which matters most) this is the "butcher's" best strategy for the peoples' forces. science, not schemes. cliff >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, ><siddharta5@...>, <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> >CC: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, <amirib@...>, ><MeadHajduk@...>, <hajdukmi@...>, <jmodibo@...>, ><Paul4sure@...> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, >Howard, Fascists >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:28:34 -0400 > >You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. > >Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man was >never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when the >Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The >Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of the >Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of revolution >was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. > >Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social >Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to the >Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor union >bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to the >Democrats. > >What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve the >people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this kind of >organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the Judas >goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the first >thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the goat >is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole act >no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't want >voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's >where someone like Coleman can play a part. > >We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a genuine >revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party that >can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; and, >a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a very >dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But you >are >right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought >about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party (i.e., >a >real one.) > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; ><siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> >Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; ><MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; ><Paul4sure@...> >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM >Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, >Fascists > > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. > > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their >message > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to >the > > fire. > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause >[has > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, >how > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- >the > > public will not have heard of that person before?! > > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils >to > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party >candidate > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the > > public awareness for the next election. > > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to >TRY > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the > > Green Party's continuing message > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media >outlets, > > ...] > > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be >suicide >to > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us >that > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a >worthy > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a >better > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. > > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of >funding > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's >overflowing > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. > > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job >done > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem >by > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being > > participants in our own democratic government. > > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. > > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and >get > > the vote out. > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to >business, > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a >duck, > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like >duck, > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' > > > > Up justice. > > > > Horrid > > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating >McGreevy > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, >but > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true >outcome >of > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? >What > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's >analysis >of > > the fascist rule and WBAI > > > > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING >TO >MY > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING >THAT > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL >ELECTIONS > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. >I'VE > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S >LETTER--AND >TO > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & >STRUGGLE) > > > > > > > > > Fred N. wrote: > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is >not >a > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not >post > > it > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> >This > > is > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support >of > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the >right > > > stole the 2001 election. > > > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by >WBAI > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT >WBAI, > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' >WHO > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP >IN > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since >the > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a >bullying > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to >call > > her > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to >Rothenberg, > > the > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic >analysis) > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of > > Nader > > > helped throw the election to B2!! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by >the > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be >fired > > > for saying what he was saying. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE >UP > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT >WBAI. > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON >DEMOCRACY, > > AS > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, >I > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING >INFORMATION, > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE >ENOUGH > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by >Utrice > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, >intimidation/public > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant >personalattacks. > > > U. > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance >systemcomplete > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE >METHODS > > USED > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR >'TOTALITARIAN' > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A >VERY > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS >BEEN > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT >CHIDED > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE > > BUSH2CREW, > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding >of > > very > > > large corporations and global finance interests. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER >SERVED > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY > > HAVE > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS >PARTY, > > AND > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE >CORPORATIONS. > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR > > ARGUMENT > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. >THE > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING >THE > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING >THE > > > CAMPAIGN? > > > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that > > WBAI > > > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that >needs > > to > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did >not > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all >registers > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions >did > > not > > > change that. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I >SAY > > THE > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE >FACTO, > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT >FROM > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE >NADER > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, >PART > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS >WELL > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT >WAS > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS >MOST > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the >f-f-FASCISTS) > > AS > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON >THE > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH >AMMENDMENTS > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban > > Montclair > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let >alone > > the > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., >esp. > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's >worthy > > of > > > the name> fascism! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. >It's > > a > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the > > corporate > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of > > dissent > > > that are not presented anywhere else. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE > > GREEN > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE > > BODY. > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN > > SOME > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" >ISSUED > > THE > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE >LEFT > > IN > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE >CLOSED > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO >TO > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL >RACE >IN > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' > > DEMOCRACY" > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN >NEWARK.) > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH >THE > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE > > GUBENETORIAL > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN >CENTRIST-PUPPET > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR >THE > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR > > PROBLEM > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER >THAN > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE >SHORT > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN >PARTY > > > STRATEGY. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of >the > > same > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real >fascists) > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said > > that? > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy >Goodman> > > & > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large >corporations > > to > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with >connections > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake >its > > > destruction. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND >OF > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE >JURY > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT >TO > > THEM > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN >INTRIGUING > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, >ONLY > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER >WORKED >IN > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS > > INDIGNATION > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF >WBAI > > DOES > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF > > PUBLIC > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? >HOW > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, >YOU'LL > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL > > COMPONENT > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE >IS > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE > > DEMOCRATS > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT >THAT > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS >(BTW, > > MR. > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY >THE > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY >SUGGEST > > THE > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE >WOULD > > > THINK. > > > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery >Brown, > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. >The > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same > > motives > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S > > CALL > > > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > > > > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > > > > > (PRESENTE!) > > > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the > > fascist > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, >UTELIZE > > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR >NITY -MATTHEW > > > SMITH) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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--- In njfo@y..., cliffsmith69@h... wrote: keith joseph for nbpc chair. draft diego morales para mayor! peoples' democracy, cliff --- End forwarded message ---
This is neither a response to my remarks nor an analysis. ". . . there is no slander in an allowed fool, though he do nothing but rail" -Twelfth Night ----- Original Message ----- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <jmodibo@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists > all eyes on hunger-fraud the "judas-goat". > > the "first thing to do", under the circumstances, is to keep the "butcher" > out of "recognized" political power, i.e. governor, president... > > this means now: smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! > as we build the necessary peoples' political organization to defeat them > both. > > you shd know that hunger-fraud encouraged splitting the anti-bush vote in > '00, endorsing nadir's folly, > > & encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the contradictions > between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". > > objectively (which matters most) this is the "butcher's" best strategy for > the peoples' forces. > > science, not schemes. > > cliff > > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, > ><siddharta5@...>, <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > >CC: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, <amirib@...>, > ><MeadHajduk@...>, <hajdukmi@...>, <jmodibo@...>, > ><Paul4sure@...> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, > >Howard, Fascists > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:28:34 -0400 > > > >You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. > > > >Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man was > >never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when the > >Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The > >Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of the > >Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of revolution > >was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. > > > >Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social > >Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to the > >Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor union > >bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to the > >Democrats. > > > >What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve the > >people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this kind of > >organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the Judas > >goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the first > >thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the goat > >is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole act > >no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't want > >voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's > >where someone like Coleman can play a part. > > > >We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a genuine > >revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party that > >can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; and, > >a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a very > >dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But you > >are > >right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought > >about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party (i.e., > >a > >real one.) > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; > ><siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > >Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; > ><MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; > ><Paul4sure@...> > >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM > >Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, > >Fascists > > > > > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. > > > > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up > > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their > >message > > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to > >the > > > fire. > > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause > >[has > > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. > > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, > >how > > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- > >the > > > public will not have heard of that person before?! > > > > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be > > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, > > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the > > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy > > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils > >to > > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short > > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party > >candidate > > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN > > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the > > > public awareness for the next election. > > > > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to > >TRY > > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the > > > Green Party's continuing message > > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media > >outlets, > > > ...] > > > > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be > >suicide > >to > > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us > >that > > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a > >worthy > > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a > >better > > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. > > > > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of > >funding > > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the > > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's > >overflowing > > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. > > > > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job > >done > > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we > > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem > >by > > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being > > > participants in our own democratic government. > > > > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the > > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. > > > > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and > >get > > > the vote out. > > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. > > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to > >business, > > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a > >duck, > > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like > >duck, > > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' > > > > > > Up justice. > > > > > > Horrid > > > > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating > >McGreevy > > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the > > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of > > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, > >but > > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true > >outcome > >of > > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? > >What > > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into > > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; > > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; > > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; > > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> > > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM > > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's > >analysis > >of > > > the fascist rule and WBAI > > > > > > > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING > >TO > >MY > > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING > >THAT > > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL > >ELECTIONS > > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. > >I'VE > > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S > >LETTER--AND > >TO > > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & > >STRUGGLE) > > > > > > > > > > > > Fred N. wrote: > > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is > >not > >a > > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not > >post > > > it > > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> > >This > > > is > > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support > >of > > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the > >right > > > > stole the 2001 election. > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by > >WBAI > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT > >WBAI, > > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' > >WHO > > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP > >IN > > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since > >the > > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a > >bullying > > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to > >call > > > her > > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to > >Rothenberg, > > > the > > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic > >analysis) > > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of > > > Nader > > > > helped throw the election to B2!! > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by > >the > > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be > >fired > > > > for saying what he was saying. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE > >UP > > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT > >WBAI. > > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON > >DEMOCRACY, > > > AS > > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, > >I > > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING > >INFORMATION, > > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE > >ENOUGH > > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > > > > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by > >Utrice > > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, > >intimidation/public > > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant > >personalattacks. > > > > > U. > > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance > >systemcomplete > > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE > >METHODS > > > USED > > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR > >'TOTALITARIAN' > > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A > >VERY > > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS > >BEEN > > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT > >CHIDED > > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE > > > BUSH2CREW, > > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > > > > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding > >of > > > very > > > > large corporations and global finance interests. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER > >SERVED > > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY > > > HAVE > > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS > >PARTY, > > > AND > > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE > >CORPORATIONS. > > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR > > > ARGUMENT > > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. > >THE > > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING > >THE > > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING > >THE > > > > CAMPAIGN? > > > > > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that > > > WBAI > > > > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that > >needs > > > to > > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did > >not > > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all > >registers > > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions > >did > > > not > > > > change that. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I > >SAY > > > THE > > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE > >FACTO, > > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT > >FROM > > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE > >NADER > > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, > >PART > > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS > >WELL > > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT > >WAS > > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS > >MOST > > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the > >f-f-FASCISTS) > > > AS > > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON > >THE > > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH > >AMMENDMENTS > > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban > > > Montclair > > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let > >alone > > > the > > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., > >esp. > > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's > >worthy > > > of > > > > the name> fascism! > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. > >It's > > > a > > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the > > > corporate > > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of > > > dissent > > > > that are not presented anywhere else. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE > > > GREEN > > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE > > > BODY. > > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN > > > SOME > > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" > >ISSUED > > > THE > > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE > >LEFT > > > IN > > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE > >CLOSED > > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO > >TO > > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL > >RACE > >IN > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' > > > DEMOCRACY" > > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN > >NEWARK.) > > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH > >THE > > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE > > > GUBENETORIAL > > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN > >CENTRIST-PUPPET > > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR > >THE > > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR > > > PROBLEM > > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER > >THAN > > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE > >SHORT > > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN > >PARTY > > > > STRATEGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of > >the > > > same > > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real > >fascists) > > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said > > > that? > > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy > >Goodman> > > > & > > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large > >corporations > > > to > > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with > >connections > > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake > >its > > > > destruction. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND > >OF > > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE > >JURY > > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT > >TO > > > THEM > > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN > >INTRIGUING > > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, > >ONLY > > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER > >WORKED > >IN > > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS > > > INDIGNATION > > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF > >WBAI > > > DOES > > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF > > > PUBLIC > > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? > >HOW > > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, > >YOU'LL > > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL > > > COMPONENT > > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE > >IS > > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE > > > DEMOCRATS > > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT > >THAT > > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS > >(BTW, > > > MR. > > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY > >THE > > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY > >SUGGEST > > > THE > > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE > >WOULD > > > > THINK. > > > > > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery > >Brown, > > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. > >The > > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same > > > motives > > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S > > > CALL > > > > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > > > > > > > (PRESENTE!) > > > > > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the > > > fascist > > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > > > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > > > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, > >UTELIZE > > > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR > >NITY -MATTHEW > > > > SMITH) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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I welcome this never-ending exchange. You must have misconstrued my references to Hitler. I nowhere said or intended to say that Hitler had been elected to lead Germany. My comments and thrust was that Hitler came to power because due to a fragmented opposition -- the tortality of this opposition was the majority in the German parliament. Due to their fragmentation and diunity on crucial-to-the-public matters in the few years following the 1929 depression, much of the public lost faith in bickering middle and left parties, such that the Nazi Party moved from less than 10% to about 45% representation in the parliament in about 2 years. This enormous growth was at the expense of the ruling but ineffective middle indecisive [indecisive on social-economic matters] shrinking majority. Hitler thereby obtained much stronger support from financial-industrial-military interests who viewed him as the soon to be majority force in politics -- a force that appeared to favor the interests of these 3 groups much more so than the paralyzed shrinking middle and the increased strength also of the Communist party. The Communists were seen as a growing threat to the power of the those 3 groups -- certainly of the financial-industrial powers. This is one of the key concerns in democracy with proportional representation -- 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc smaller parties make policy making and decision execution more difficult. The policies may be better than the those deriving from a 2-party system, but they may also be worse. In any event, the Nazis took advantage of their tremendous leap in public support, and thru their machinations, despite a 15% or so loss in a near-term subsequent election, Hindenburg was forced to recommend Hitler's appointment to ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists > You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. > > Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man was > never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when the > Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The > Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of the > Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of revolution > was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. > > Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social > Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to the > Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor union > bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to the > Democrats. > > What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve the > people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this kind of > organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the Judas > goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the first > thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the goat > is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole act > no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't want > voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's > where someone like Coleman can play a part. > > We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a genuine > revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party that > can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; and, > a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a very > dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But you are > right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought > about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party (i.e., a > real one.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> > To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; > <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; > <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; > <Paul4sure@...> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM > Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, > Fascists > > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. > > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their > message > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to the > > fire. > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause > [has > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, > how > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- the > > public will not have heard of that person before?! > > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils > to > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party candidate > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the > > public awareness for the next election. > > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to TRY > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the > > Green Party's continuing message > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media outlets, > > ...] > > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be suicide > to > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us > that > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a worthy > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a better > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. > > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of funding > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's > overflowing > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. > > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job done > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem > by > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being > > participants in our own democratic government. > > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. > > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and get > > the vote out. > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to business, > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a duck, > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like > duck, > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' > > > > Up justice. > > > > Horrid > > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating > McGreevy > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, but > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true outcome > of > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? > What > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's analysis > of > > the fascist rule and WBAI > > > > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING TO > MY > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING > THAT > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL > ELECTIONS > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. > I'VE > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S LETTER--AND > TO > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & STRUGGLE) > > > > > > > > > Fred N. wrote: > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not > a > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not > post > > it > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> This > > is > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support > of > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the > right > > > stole the 2001 election. > > > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT > WBAI, > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' > WHO > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP > IN > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since > the > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a bullying > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to call > > her > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to Rothenberg, > > the > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic > analysis) > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of > > Nader > > > helped throw the election to B2!! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by > the > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be > fired > > > for saying what he was saying. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE UP > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT > WBAI. > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY, > > AS > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, I > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING > INFORMATION, > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE > ENOUGH > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by Utrice > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, > intimidation/public > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant personalattacks. > > > U. > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance systemcomplete > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE METHODS > > USED > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR 'TOTALITARIAN' > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A VERY > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS BEEN > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT CHIDED > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE > > BUSH2CREW, > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding of > > very > > > large corporations and global finance interests. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER > SERVED > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY > > HAVE > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS PARTY, > > AND > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE CORPORATIONS. > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR > > ARGUMENT > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. THE > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING > THE > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING THE > > > CAMPAIGN? > > > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that > > WBAI > > > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that > needs > > to > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did > not > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all > registers > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions did > > not > > > change that. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY > > THE > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE FACTO, > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT FROM > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE NADER > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, PART > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS > WELL > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS > MOST > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the > f-f-FASCISTS) > > AS > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON > THE > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH > AMMENDMENTS > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban > > Montclair > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone > > the > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., > esp. > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's > worthy > > of > > > the name> fascism! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. > It's > > a > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the > > corporate > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of > > dissent > > > that are not presented anywhere else. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE > > GREEN > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE > > BODY. > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN > > SOME > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" ISSUED > > THE > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE > LEFT > > IN > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE > CLOSED > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO > TO > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE > IN > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' > > DEMOCRACY" > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN > NEWARK.) > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH > THE > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE > > GUBENETORIAL > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTRIST-PUPPET > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR > THE > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR > > PROBLEM > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER THAN > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE SHORT > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN PARTY > > > STRATEGY. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the > > same > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real > fascists) > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said > > that? > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy > Goodman> > > & > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations > > to > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with > connections > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its > > > destruction. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND > OF > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE JURY > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT TO > > THEM > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN > INTRIGUING > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, > ONLY > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER WORKED > IN > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS > > INDIGNATION > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF WBAI > > DOES > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF > > PUBLIC > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? HOW > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, > YOU'LL > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL > > COMPONENT > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE IS > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE > > DEMOCRATS > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT > THAT > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (BTW, > > MR. > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY > THE > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY SUGGEST > > THE > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE > WOULD > > > THINK. > > > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery > Brown, > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. > The > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same > > motives > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S > > CALL > > > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > > > > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > > > > > (PRESENTE!) > > > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the > > fascist > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, > UTELIZE > > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR > NITY -MATTHEW > > > SMITH) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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It's a never-ending discussion I suppose. First - to clarify what I said and intended. I did not say or intend to give the impression that Hitler had been elected to lead Germany. My point was that during bad economic times, dissension among the multiple parties making up the majority in German politics, gave opportunity and impetus to the Nazi Party to gain sufficient support of the electorate, for Hitler to gain full empowerment thru support of financial and industrial powers, and finally of the military. This is what I intended in my statement,"If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time [in the U.S.A. or NJ, comment added] it would be suicide to vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates". That is, it's very dumb and deadly to vote in a Hitler, by voting out [eroding the votes for] the lesser evil. It was not the fear of outbreak of revolution that upset the Financial-Industrial powers in Germany, but the inability of the political center/left majority to define corrective policies that would allow the wealthy F-I powers to survive during the depression. The Communist Party growth and therefore threat of breakup of the F-I structures and redistribution as "workers" institutions, was another indicator of threat to the F-I's continuing existence. Hitler who supported their continuance, they believed was their better bet. The military also preferred Hitler for various reasons. This is a potential problem for a democracy represented by a multiplicity of parties inherent in a proportional representation system. In Germany, in bad economic times, this led to the rise of Hitler -- despite the clear warnings of his mindset given in many speeches and his book Mein Kampf [My Struggle]. In the USA, in supposedly very good economic times, we have the rise of the mediocre [at best] via blatant thievery, over the morally vacuous, politically spineless incumbent party. In the case of the Democrapic Party it was not internal dissension that dissolved their margin over the Repukeagains and sank them, it was the ABSENCE of principled ethical struggle that led to the erosion/abandonment of the earlier 'progressive' policies that accepted [if not initiated] unionization; rejection of sweatshop workhours and conditions; promotion of OSHA and environmental standards; humane child labor laws; Social Security; Welfare supports, Medicare and Medicaid, ... A significant portion of the usual Democratic Party supporters were not fooled. They sat out the election in disgust and despair, and some voted for Nader. The 'Bourgeoisie are not all bad. The badness is in the free rein given to GREED -- unfair labor, political practices, unfair financial dealings etc. Capital formation need not be harmful. The key is to maintain justice. Prevention of monopolies was a step in that fairness direction. To maintain justice, to prevent greedy elitism we must have a VAST increase in knowledgeable citizen participation in all levels of government and social agencies. In a complex society we need appropriate public concern, public competence, and public acceptance of their citizenship responsibilities via participation. The alternative to the never-ending hard work of education and development of decent opportunities for all , is Partyism, the rise of organized activists who are certain they know what is best for all -- themselves first, when they achieve power. Matt -- You misconstrued my statement regarding "If the PEOPLE don't get the message ..." In the absence of a Hitler among the 2 frontrunners my stated intention in the paragraph preceding my "If the People .." statement was the total OPPOSITE of what you took it to be -- unless of course you consider Bush and the Repukeagains as Nazis. They may be showing some fascistic tendencies [stealing elections like Kennedy tried/did? vs Nixon, executing innocents like Clinton/Gore promoted in their death penalty positions, murderous international expansionism like all of our governments starting at least with Eisenhower, ...] but not unusual for the USA, and certainly stoppable if enough of the populace cares enough. Let's all keep at it for a better, more just world for all. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists > You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. > > Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man was > never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when the > Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The > Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of the > Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of revolution > was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. > > Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social > Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to the > Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor union > bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to the > Democrats. > > What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve the > people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this kind of > organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the Judas > goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the first > thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the goat > is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole act > no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't want > voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's > where someone like Coleman can play a part. > > We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a genuine > revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party that > can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; and, > a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a very > dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But you are > right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought > about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party (i.e., a > real one.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> > To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; > <siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; > <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; > <Paul4sure@...> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM > Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, > Fascists > > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. > > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring up > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their > message > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet to the > > fire. > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will cause > [has > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after election, > how > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win -- the > > public will not have heard of that person before?! > > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path could be > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take the > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 evils > to > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in short > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party candidate > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime the > > public awareness for the next election. > > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed to TRY > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten the > > Green Party's continuing message > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media outlets, > > ...] > > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be suicide > to > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught us > that > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a worthy > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a better > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. > > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of funding > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, the > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's > overflowing > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. > > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job done > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the problem > by > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in being > > participants in our own democratic government. > > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe the > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. > > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate and get > > the vote out. > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or Sundays. > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to business, > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a duck, > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks like > duck, > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' > > > > Up justice. > > > > Horrid > > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating > McGreevy > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the millions of > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of statistics, but > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true outcome > of > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of 395? > What > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled into > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's analysis > of > > the fascist rule and WBAI > > > > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR RESPONDING TO > MY > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S ENCOURAGING > THAT > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL > ELECTIONS > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR ASPIRATIONS. > I'VE > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S LETTER--AND > TO > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE AND > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUES I > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & STRUGGLE) > > > > > > > > > Fred N. wrote: > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which is not > a > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will not > post > > it > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> wrote:>> This > > is > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> support > of > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> the > right > > > stole the 2001 election. > > > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader by WBAI > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES AT > WBAI, > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND FIRED' > WHO > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF OVERLAP > IN > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's main > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens since > the > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a bullying > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to call > > her > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup is > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to Rothenberg, > > the > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> Bush2/Republican/REAL > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic > analysis) > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support of > > Nader > > > helped throw the election to B2!! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, by > the > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to be > fired > > > for saying what he was saying. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME REITERATE UP > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY AT > WBAI. > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON DEMOCRACY, > > AS > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE SURE, I > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING > INFORMATION, > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE > ENOUGH > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by Utrice > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, > intimidation/public > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant personalattacks. > > > U. > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance systemcomplete > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE METHODS > > USED > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR 'TOTALITARIAN' > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A VERY > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF HAS BEEN > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT CHIDED > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE > > BUSH2CREW, > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the American > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing thebidding of > > very > > > large corporations and global finance interests. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER > SERVED > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY > > HAVE > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS PARTY, > > AND > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE CORPORATIONS. > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR > > ARGUMENT > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. THE > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT SWINGING > THE > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS DURING THE > > > CAMPAIGN? > > > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean that > > WBAI > > > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective that > needs > > to > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in 2001, > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> base!! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens did > not > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive corporate-sponsored > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all > registers > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of corporatecontributions did > > not > > > change that. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY > > THE > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE FACTO, > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN THE > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, NOT FROM > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE NADER > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION PROTEST, PART > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, MORE-OR-LESS > WELL > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT IT WAS > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM ITS > MOST > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the > f-f-FASCISTS) > > AS > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING ON > THE > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH > AMMENDMENTS > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST AND > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban > > Montclair > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let alone > > the > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the P.B., > esp. > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's > worthy > > of > > > the name> fascism! > > > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large popular > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass medias. > It's > > a > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the > > corporate > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices of > > dissent > > > that are not presented anywhere else. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH THE > > GREEN > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING THE > > BODY. > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN > > SOME > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" ISSUED > > THE > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, STRIKE > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO THE > LEFT > > IN > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, THE > CLOSED > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT ALSO > TO > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL RACE > IN > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' > > DEMOCRACY" > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN > NEWARK.) > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING WITH > THE > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE > > GUBENETORIAL > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CENTRIST-PUPPET > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH FOR > THE > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT STRATEGY-THEIR > > PROBLEM > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, RATHER THAN > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND YES, > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. (BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE SHORT > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN PARTY > > > STRATEGY. > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many of the > > same > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real > fascists) > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone said > > that? > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> the > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy > Goodman> > > & > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this mess. > > > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large corporations > > to > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with > connections > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and undertake its > > > destruction. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT TREND > OF > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT DE JURY > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER THREAT TO > > THEM > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN > INTRIGUING > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF A > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW THAT > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I SAID, > ONLY > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER WORKED > IN > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS > > INDIGNATION > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF WBAI > > DOES > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES OF > > PUBLIC > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? HOW > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ AMIRI > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, > YOU'LL > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" TO > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL > > COMPONENT > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A RESOURCE IS > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE > > DEMOCRATS > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE FACT > THAT > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS (BTW, > > MR. > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE **ENTIRE > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR ONLY > THE > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY SUGGEST > > THE > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, ONE > WOULD > > > THINK. > > > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, Robert > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna Avery > Brown, > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew know. > The > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same national > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the same > > motives > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. LET'S > > CALL > > > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > > > > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > > > > > (PRESENTE!) > > > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, the > > fascist > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a thing. > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE > > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER > > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, > UTELIZE > > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR > NITY -MATTHEW > > > SMITH) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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don't call it what it isn't - what is it FRAUD? joe smith >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, ><nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, ><amirib@...>, <jmodibo@...> >Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, >Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:54:49 -0400 > >This is neither a response to my remarks nor an analysis. > >". . . there is no slander in an allowed fool, though he do nothing but >rail" >-Twelfth Night > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Cc: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; ><amirib@...>; <jmodibo@...> >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:31 PM >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing >Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists > > > > all eyes on hunger-fraud the "judas-goat". > > > > the "first thing to do", under the circumstances, is to keep the >"butcher" > > out of "recognized" political power, i.e. governor, president... > > > > this means now: smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! > > as we build the necessary peoples' political organization to defeat them > > both. > > > > you shd know that hunger-fraud encouraged splitting the anti-bush vote >in > > '00, endorsing nadir's folly, > > > > & encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the >contradictions > > between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". > > > > objectively (which matters most) this is the "butcher's" best strategy >for > > the peoples' forces. > > > > science, not schemes. > > > > cliff > > > > > > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, > > ><siddharta5@...>, <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > >CC: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, <amirib@...>, > > ><MeadHajduk@...>, <hajdukmi@...>, <jmodibo@...>, > > ><Paul4sure@...> > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, >Matthew, > > >Howard, Fascists > > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:28:34 -0400 > > > > > >You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. > > > > > >Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man >was > > >never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when >the > > >Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The > > >Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of >the > > >Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of >revolution > > >was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. > > > > > >Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social > > >Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to >the > > >Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor >union > > >bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to >the > > >Democrats. > > > > > >What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve >the > > >people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this >kind >of > > >organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the >Judas > > >goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the >first > > >thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the >goat > > >is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole >act > > >no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't >want > > >voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's > > >where someone like Coleman can play a part. > > > > > >We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a >genuine > > >revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party >that > > >can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; >and, > > >a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a >very > > >dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But >you > > >are > > >right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought > > >about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party >(i.e., > > >a > > >real one.) > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> > > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; > > ><siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > >Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; > > ><MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; > > ><Paul4sure@...> > > >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM > > >Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, > > >Fascists > > > > > > > > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. > > > > > > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring >up > > > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their > > >message > > > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet >to > > >the > > > > fire. > > > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will >cause > > >[has > > > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. > > > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after >election, > > >how > > > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win >-- > > >the > > > > public will not have heard of that person before?! > > > > > > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path >could >be > > > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, > > > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take >the > > > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy > > > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 >evils > > >to > > > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in >short > > > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party > > >candidate > > > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN > > > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime >the > > > > public awareness for the next election. > > > > > > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed >to > > >TRY > > > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten >the > > > > Green Party's continuing message > > > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media > > >outlets, > > > > ...] > > > > > > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be > > >suicide > > >to > > > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught >us > > >that > > > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a > > >worthy > > > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a > > >better > > > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. > > > > > > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of > > >funding > > > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, >the > > > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's > > >overflowing > > > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. > > > > > > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job > > >done > > > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we > > > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the >problem > > >by > > > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in >being > > > > participants in our own democratic government. > > > > > > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe >the > > > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. > > > > > > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate >and > > >get > > > > the vote out. > > > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or >Sundays. > > > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to > > >business, > > > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a > > >duck, > > > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks >like > > >duck, > > > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' > > > > > > > > Up justice. > > > > > > > > Horrid > > > > > > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating > > >McGreevy > > > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the > > > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the >millions >of > > > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of >statistics, > > >but > > > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true > > >outcome > > >of > > > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of >395? > > >What > > > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled >into > > > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; > > > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; ><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; > > > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; > > > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM > > > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's > > >analysis > > >of > > > > the fascist rule and WBAI > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR >RESPONDING > > >TO > > >MY > > > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S >ENCOURAGING > > >THAT > > > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL > > >ELECTIONS > > > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR >ASPIRATIONS. > > >I'VE > > > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S > > >LETTER--AND > > >TO > > > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE >AND > > > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL >ISSUES >I > > > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & > > >STRUGGLE) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fred N. wrote: > > > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which >is > > >not > > >a > > > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will >not > > >post > > > > it > > > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> >wrote:>> > > >This > > > > is > > > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> >support > > >of > > > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> >the > > >right > > > > > stole the 2001 election. > > > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader >by > > >WBAI > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES >AT > > >WBAI, > > > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND >FIRED' > > >WHO > > > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF >OVERLAP > > >IN > > > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's >main > > > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens >since > > >the > > > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a > > >bullying > > > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to > > >call > > > > her > > > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup >is > > > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to > > >Rothenberg, > > > > the > > > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> >Bush2/Republican/REAL > > > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic > > >analysis) > > > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support >of > > > > Nader > > > > > helped throw the election to B2!! > > > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, >by > > >the > > > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to >be > > >fired > > > > > for saying what he was saying. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME >REITERATE > > >UP > > > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY >AT > > >WBAI. > > > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON > > >DEMOCRACY, > > > > AS > > > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE >SURE, > > >I > > > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING > > >INFORMATION, > > > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE > > >ENOUGH > > > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) > > > > > > > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by > > >Utrice > > > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, > > >intimidation/public > > > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant > > >personalattacks. > > > > > > > U. > > > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance > > >systemcomplete > > > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE > > >METHODS > > > > USED > > > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR > > >'TOTALITARIAN' > > > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A > > >VERY > > > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF >HAS > > >BEEN > > > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT > > >CHIDED > > > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE > > > > BUSH2CREW, > > > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) > > > > > > > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the >American > > > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing >thebidding > > >of > > > > very > > > > > large corporations and global finance interests. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER > > >SERVED > > > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT >THEY > > > > HAVE > > > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS > > >PARTY, > > > > AND > > > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE > > >CORPORATIONS. > > > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR > > > > ARGUMENT > > > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. > > >THE > > > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT >SWINGING > > >THE > > > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS >DURING > > >THE > > > > > CAMPAIGN? > > > > > > > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean >that > > > > WBAI > > > > > was a station controlled by the Greens. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective >that > > >needs > > > > to > > > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in >2001, > > > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. > > > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> >base!! > > > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens >did > > >not > > > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive >corporate-sponsored > > > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all > > >registers > > > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of >corporatecontributions > > >did > > > > not > > > > > change that. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN >I > > >SAY > > > > THE > > > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE > > >FACTO, > > > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN >THE > > > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, >NOT > > >FROM > > > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE > > >NADER > > > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION >PROTEST, > > >PART > > > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, >MORE-OR-LESS > > >WELL > > > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT >IT > > >WAS > > > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM >ITS > > >MOST > > > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the > > >f-f-FASCISTS) > > > > AS > > > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING >ON > > >THE > > > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH > > >AMMENDMENTS > > > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST >AND > > > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban > > > > Montclair > > > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let > > >alone > > > > the > > > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the >P.B., > > >esp. > > > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's > > >worthy > > > > of > > > > > the name> fascism! > > > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large >popular > > > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass >medias. > > >It's > > > > a > > > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the > > > > corporate > > > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices >of > > > > dissent > > > > > that are not presented anywhere else. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH >THE > > > > GREEN > > > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING >THE > > > > BODY. > > > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION >CAMPAIGN > > > > SOME > > > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" > > >ISSUED > > > > THE > > > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, >STRIKE > > > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO >THE > > >LEFT > > > > IN > > > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, >THE > > >CLOSED > > > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT >ALSO > > >TO > > > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL > > >RACE > > >IN > > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' > > > > DEMOCRACY" > > > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN > > >NEWARK.) > > > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING >WITH > > >THE > > > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE > > > > GUBENETORIAL > > > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN > > >CENTRIST-PUPPET > > > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH >FOR > > >THE > > > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT >STRATEGY-THEIR > > > > PROBLEM > > > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, >RATHER > > >THAN > > > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND >YES, > > > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. >(BUSH/SCHUNDLER) > > > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE > > >SHORT > > > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN > > >PARTY > > > > > STRATEGY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many >of > > >the > > > > same > > > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real > > >fascists) > > > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone >said > > > > that? > > > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> >the > > > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy > > >Goodman> > > > > & > > > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this >mess. > > > > > > > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public > > > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large > > >corporations > > > > to > > > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with > > >connections > > > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and >undertake > > >its > > > > > destruction. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT >TREND > > >OF > > > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT >DE > > >JURY > > > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER >THREAT > > >TO > > > > THEM > > > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN > > >INTRIGUING > > > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF >A > > > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW >THAT > > > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I >SAID, > > >ONLY > > > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER > > >WORKED > > >IN > > > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS > > > > INDIGNATION > > > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF > > >WBAI > > > > DOES > > > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES >OF > > > > PUBLIC > > > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? > > >HOW > > > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ >AMIRI > > > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, > > >YOU'LL > > > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" >TO > > > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL > > > > COMPONENT > > > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A >RESOURCE > > >IS > > > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE > > > > DEMOCRATS > > > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE >FACT > > >THAT > > > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS > > >(BTW, > > > > MR. > > > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE >**ENTIRE > > > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR >ONLY > > >THE > > > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY > > >SUGGEST > > > > THE > > > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, >ONE > > >WOULD > > > > > THINK. > > > > > > > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, >Robert > > > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna >Avery > > >Brown, > > > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew >know. > > >The > > > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same >national > > > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the >same > > > > motives > > > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. >LET'S > > > > CALL > > > > > IT WHAT IT IS.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, > > > > > > > > > > (PRESENTE!) > > > > > > > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, >the > > > > fascist > > > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a >thing. > > > > > > > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. 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Yes, Joe, you're right - Cliff's note isn't a response to mine, it isn't an analysis of anything, but it IS a fraud. Glad you pointed it out. >===== Original Message From "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> ===== >don't call it what it isn't - >what is it FRAUD? > >joe smith > > >>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >>Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >>To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, >><nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >>CC: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, >><amirib@...>, <jmodibo@...> >>Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, >>Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists >>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:54:49 -0400 >> >>This is neither a response to my remarks nor an analysis. >> >>". . . there is no slander in an allowed fool, though he do nothing but >>rail" >>-Twelfth Night >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >>Cc: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; >><amirib@...>; <jmodibo@...> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:31 PM >>Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing >>Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists >> >> >> > all eyes on hunger-fraud the "judas-goat". >> > >> > the "first thing to do", under the circumstances, is to keep the >>"butcher" >> > out of "recognized" political power, i.e. governor, president... >> > >> > this means now: smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! >> > as we build the necessary peoples' political organization to defeat them >> > both. >> > >> > you shd know that hunger-fraud encouraged splitting the anti-bush vote >>in >> > '00, endorsing nadir's folly, >> > >> > & encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the >>contradictions >> > between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". >> > >> > objectively (which matters most) this is the "butcher's" best strategy >>for >> > the peoples' forces. >> > >> > science, not schemes. >> > >> > cliff >> > >> > >> > >> > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, >> > ><siddharta5@...>, <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> >> > >CC: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, <amirib@...>, >> > ><MeadHajduk@...>, <hajdukmi@...>, <jmodibo@...>, >> > ><Paul4sure@...> >> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, >>Matthew, >> > >Howard, Fascists >> > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:28:34 -0400 >> > > >> > >You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few. >> > > >> > >Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The Hit-man >>was >> > >never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany when >>the >> > >Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The >> > >Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent of >>the >> > >Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of >>revolution >> > >was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy. >> > > >> > >Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing Social >> > >Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to >>the >> > >Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor >>union >> > >bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied to >>the >> > >Democrats. >> > > >> > >What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that serve >>the >> > >people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this >>kind >>of >> > >organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the >>Judas >> > >goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the >>first >> > >thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If the >>goat >> > >is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his whole >>act >> > >no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey doesn't >>want >> > >voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler! That's >> > >where someone like Coleman can play a part. >> > > >> > >We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a >>genuine >> > >revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party >>that >> > >can alone give real and consistent leadership against the bourgeoisie; >>and, >> > >a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always a >>very >> > >dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But >>you >> > >are >> > >right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be brought >> > >about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party >>(i.e., >> > >a >> > >real one.) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...> >> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; >> > ><siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> >> > >Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>; >> > ><MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>; >> > ><Paul4sure@...> >> > >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM >> > >Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, >> > >Fascists >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject. >> > > > >> > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to bring >>up >> > > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When their >> > >message >> > > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders' feet >>to >> > >the >> > > > fire. >> > > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will >>cause >> > >[has >> > > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading contenders. >> > > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after >>election, >> > >how >> > > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever win >>-- >> > >the >> > > > public will not have heard of that person before?! >> > > > >> > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path >>could >>be >> > > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly, >> > > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and take >>the >> > > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up worthy >> > > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of 2 >>evils >> > >to >> > > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in >>short >> > > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party >> > >candidate >> > > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas BETWEEN >> > > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to prime >>the >> > > > public awareness for the next election. >> > > > >> > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have failed >>to >> > >TRY >> > > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not gotten >>the >> > > > Green Party's continuing message >> > > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media >> > >outlets, >> > > > ...] >> > > > >> > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be >> > >suicide >> > >to >> > > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and taught >>us >> > >that >> > > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice, a >> > >worthy >> > > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with a >> > >better >> > > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way. >> > > > >> > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of >> > >funding >> > > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program planks, >>the >> > > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's >> > >overflowing >> > > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed sensible.. >> > > > >> > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the job >> > >done >> > > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If we >> > > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the >>problem >> > >by >> > > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in >>being >> > > > participants in our own democratic government. >> > > > >> > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen; maybe >>the >> > > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and colon. >> > > > >> > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate >>and >> > >get >> > > > the vote out. >> > > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or >>Sundays. >> > > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to >> > >business, >> > > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like a >> > >duck, >> > > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks >>like >> > >duck, >> > > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?' >> > > > >> > > > Up justice. >> > > > >> > > > Horrid >> > > > >> > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as indicating >> > >McGreevy >> > > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether the >> > > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the >>millions >>of >> > > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of >>statistics, >> > >but >> > > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true >> > >outcome >> > >of >> > > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of >>395? >> > >What >> > > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being lulled >>into >> > > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >> > > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>; >> > > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com> >> > > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>; >><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; >> > > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; >> > > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...> >> > > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM >> > > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's >> > >analysis >> > >of >> > > > the fascist rule and WBAI >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR >>RESPONDING >> > >TO >> > >MY >> > > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S >>ENCOURAGING >> > >THAT >> > > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000 NATIONAL >> > >ELECTIONS >> > > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR >>ASPIRATIONS. >> > >I'VE >> > > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S >> > >LETTER--AND >> > >TO >> > > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY ARTICULATE >>AND >> > > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL >>ISSUES >>I >> > > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY & >> > >STRUGGLE) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred N. wrote: >> > > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list which >>is >> > >not >> > >a >> > > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I will >>not >> > >post >> > > > it >> > > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)- >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> >>wrote:>> >> > >This >> > > > is >> > > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's> >>support >> > >of >> > > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush &> >>the >> > >right >> > > > > stole the 2001 election. >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph Nader >>by >> > >WBAI >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE VOICES >>AT >> > >WBAI, >> > > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND >>FIRED' >> > >WHO >> > > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF >>OVERLAP >> > >IN >> > > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David> Rothenburg's >>main >> > > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens >>since >> > >the >> > > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a >> > >bullying >> > > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist & to >> > >call >> > > > her >> > > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI coup >>is >> > > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to >> > >Rothenberg, >> > > > the >> > > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while> >>Bush2/Republican/REAL >> > > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper> historic >> > >analysis) >> > > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's> support >>of >> > > > Nader >> > > > > helped throw the election to B2!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk, where, >>by >> > >the >> > > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely to >>be >> > >fired >> > > > > for saying what he was saying. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME >>REITERATE >> > >UP >> > > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE COMMUNITY >>AT >> > >WBAI. >> > > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON >> > >DEMOCRACY, >> > > > AS >> > > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO BE >>SURE, >> > >I >> > > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING >> > >INFORMATION, >> > > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS LIKE >> > >ENOUGH >> > > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....) >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used by >> > >Utrice >> > > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech, >> > >intimidation/public >> > > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant >> > >personalattacks. >> > > >> > > > U. >> > > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance >> > >systemcomplete >> > > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low tech. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE >> > >METHODS >> > > > USED >> > > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR >> > >'TOTALITARIAN' >> > > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM' HAS A >> > >VERY >> > > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF >>HAS >> > >BEEN >> > > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT >> > >CHIDED >> > > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF THE >> > > > BUSH2CREW, >> > > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW) >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the >>American >> > > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing >>thebidding >> > >of >> > > > very >> > > > > large corporations and global finance interests. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S EVER >> > >SERVED >> > > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK THAT >>THEY >> > > > HAVE >> > > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BOURGEOIS >> > >PARTY, >> > > > AND >> > > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE >> > >CORPORATIONS. >> > > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS". OUR >> > > > ARGUMENT >> > > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN HITLER. >> > >THE >> > > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT >>SWINGING >> > >THE >> > > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS >>DURING >> > >THE >> > > > > CAMPAIGN? >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not mean >>that >> > > > WBAI >> > > > > was a station controlled by the Greens. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective >>that >> > >needs >> > > > to >> > > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role in >>2001, >> > > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no worse. >> > > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting> >>base!! >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the Greens >>did >> > >not >> > > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive >>corporate-sponsored >> > > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of all >> > >registers >> > > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of >>corporatecontributions >> > >did >> > > > not >> > > > > change that. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN WHEN >>I >> > >SAY >> > > > THE >> > > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT', DE >> > >FACTO, >> > > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT WHEN >>THE >> > > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT, >>NOT >> > >FROM >> > > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE, THE >> > >NADER >> > > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION >>PROTEST, >> > >PART >> > > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR, >>MORE-OR-LESS >> > >WELL >> > > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE THAT >>IT >> > >WAS >> > > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER* FROM >>ITS >> > >MOST >> > > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the >> > >f-f-FASCISTS) >> > > > AS >> > > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE, TRAMPLING >>ON >> > >THE >> > > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH >> > >AMMENDMENTS >> > > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE POOREST >>AND >> > > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark, suburban >> > > > Montclair >> > > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P., let >> > >alone >> > > > the >> > > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the >>P.B., >> > >esp. >> > > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then it's >> > >worthy >> > > > of >> > > > > the name> fascism! >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large >>popular >> > > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass >>medias. >> > >It's >> > > > a >> > > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from the >> > > > corporate >> > > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the voices >>of >> > > > dissent >> > > > > that are not presented anywhere else. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN WITH >>THE >> > > > GREEN >> > > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT BUILDING >>THE >> > > > BODY. >> > > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION >>CAMPAIGN >> > > > SOME >> > > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY & STRUGGLE" >> > >ISSUED >> > > > THE >> > > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY, >>STRIKE >> > > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY TO >>THE >> > >LEFT >> > > > IN >> > > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE, >>THE >> > >CLOSED >> > > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!). BUT >>ALSO >> > >TO >> > > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY COUNCIL >> > >RACE >> > >IN >> > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A "PEOPLES' >> > > > DEMOCRACY" >> > > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL IN >> > >NEWARK.) >> > > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY, THREATENING >>WITH >> > >THE >> > > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE >> > > > GUBENETORIAL >> > > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN >> > >CENTRIST-PUPPET >> > > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT ENOUGH >>FOR >> > >THE >> > > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT >>STRATEGY-THEIR >> > > > PROBLEM >> > > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE, >>RATHER >> > >THAN >> > > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN, AND >>YES, >> > > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM. >>(BUSH/SCHUNDLER) >> > > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR THE >> > >SHORT >> > > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE GREEN >> > >PARTY >> > > > > STRATEGY. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear many >>of >> > >the >> > > > same >> > > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real >> > >fascists) >> > > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply: Someone >>said >> > > > that? >> > > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar in> >>the >> > > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending Amy >> > >Goodman> >> > > > & >> > > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to this >>mess. >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for Public >> > > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large >> > >corporations >> > > > to >> > > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with >> > >connections >> > > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and >>undertake >> > >its >> > > > > destruction. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE DOMINANT >>TREND >> > >OF >> > > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF NOT >>DE >> > >JURY >> > > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER >>THREAT >> > >TO >> > > > THEM >> > > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN >> > >INTRIGUING >> > > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM OF >>A >> > > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW >>THAT >> > > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I >>SAID, >> > >ONLY >> > > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY EVER >> > >WORKED >> > >IN >> > > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS >> > > > INDIGNATION >> > > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER OF >> > >WBAI >> > > > DOES >> > > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL SPHERES >>OF >> > > > PUBLIC >> > > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER ALL? >> > >HOW >> > > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU READ >>AMIRI >> > > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF SLAM-POETRY, >> > >YOU'LL >> > > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S "CONVERSION" >>TO >> > > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A VITAL >> > > > COMPONENT >> > > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A >>RESOURCE >> > >IS >> > > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT THE >> > > > DEMOCRATS >> > > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE >>FACT >> > >THAT >> > > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC INSTITUTIONS >> > >(BTW, >> > > > MR. >> > > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE >>**ENTIRE >> > > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY, AND/OR >>ONLY >> > >THE >> > > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY >> > >SUGGEST >> > > > THE >> > > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND IRREFUTABLE, >>ONE >> > >WOULD >> > > > > THINK. >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer, >>Robert >> > > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna >>Avery >> > >Brown, >> > > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew >>know. >> > >The >> > > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same >>national >> > > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the >>same >> > > > motives >> > > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS. >>LET'S >> > > > CALL >> > > > > IT WHAT IT IS.) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt, >> > > > > >> > > > > (PRESENTE!) >> > > > > >> > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes, >>the >> > > > fascist >> > > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a >>thing. >> > > > > >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE CONFEDERATE >> > > > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE POWER >> > > > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND, FINALLY, >> > >UTELIZE >> > > > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR >> > >NITY -MATTHEW >> > > > > SMITH) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ >> > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >> > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> > > > > poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Puerto Rico Party Leader Freed By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 12:25 p.m. ET SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) -- Puerto Rican independence leader Ruben Berrios was freed Thursday after completing a four-month jail sentence for trespassing on U.S. Navy lands in a protest against bombing exercises on Vieques island. Civil rights leader Rev. Al Sharpton was among hundreds on hand to greet Berrios, who is president of the Puerto Rican Independence Party. Berrios urged widespread protests to put pressure on the Navy. ``Life must be made impossible for the U.S. government,'' Berrios said. ``There in New York, in Washington, in Florida, we must open that bridge with more momentum, wisdom and strength.'' ``This man has shown what great leadership is all about,'' Sharpton said. ``We pledge to stand with him.'' Berrios, 62, said he felt ``very grateful and very enthusiastic.'' President Bush has pledged that Navy exercises on Vieques will end in 2003, but activists are calling for an immediate halt. Opponents of the training say it poses health hazards and infringes upon the rights of the island's 9,100 residents -- accusations the Navy denies. While many Puerto Ricans agree with Berrios that the bombing exercise should end now, only a tiny percentage of Puerto Ricans support independence for the U.S. territory, which Berrios supports. The current governor, Sila Calderon, favors the Caribbean island's current commonwealth status. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
the thing for us to do is register our cities to vote.
we must demand voting rights for all!
who is afraid of the peoples vote? the peoples enemy.
we must develop plans and build our electoral organization, the united front
against imperialism, and community base around city wide voter
registration/education/mobilization efforts.
arrive at 808 South 10th Street Newark @
9:30 am Every Saturday
2:00 pm Every Sunday
arrive at NB public library on Livingston Ave.
Peoples Campaign Meeting followed by canvassing
2:00 pm Saturday September 8
3:00 pm Sunday September 9
Join the coalition for peoples democracy to immediately carry out these
tasks contact -
for Newark rasjuabaraka@...
for New Brunswick can_bush@...
focus of unity should be weakening imperialism and strengthening the people
democratic working class position.
therefore our practice should openly target republicans and right wing
sexist/supremacist positions and candidates. while the peoples forces win
the cities we shall not be fools to give the right wing the state.
- Sink Schundler -
the response from the community is well beyond this analysis
overall our campaigns will not organize anything unless the practice of
registration/education/mobilation in Newark & New Brunswick flourishes.
hugerford can save your breath until you register voters as far as i'm
concerned he's slightly altered the boycott lie from 96' and still hasn't
accepted criticism or made self critical analysis - a child learns faster
only a self inflated person sees no mistake in themselves
the cops will be getting off easier and easier and our communties don't
vote. New Brunswick has 28% voter turnout - lowest in the county, NB also
has the worst schools in the county. how bout newark, camden, trenton,
jersey city, patterson, atlantic city
eye hogan & kenna
clipboards available upon request
joe smith
>From: dbh <dbh@...>
>To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>, nbpeoplescampaign
><nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, onepeoplesproject
><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: amirib <amirib@...>, jmodibo <jmodibo@...>,
>nbpeoplescampaign <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>,
>poprogress@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg,
>Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists
>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:42:23 -0400
>
>Yes, Joe, you're right - Cliff's note isn't a response to mine, it isn't an
>analysis of anything, but it IS a fraud. Glad you pointed it out.
>
> >===== Original Message From "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> =====
> >don't call it what it isn't -
> >what is it FRAUD?
> >
> >joe smith
> >
> >
> >>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...>
> >>Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com
> >>To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>,
> >><nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
> >>CC: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>,
><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>,
> >><amirib@...>, <jmodibo@...>
> >>Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg,
> >>Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists
> >>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:54:49 -0400
> >>
> >>This is neither a response to my remarks nor an analysis.
> >>
> >>". . . there is no slander in an allowed fool, though he do nothing but
> >>rail"
> >>-Twelfth Night
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
> >>Cc: <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>;
><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>;
> >><amirib@...>; <jmodibo@...>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:31 PM
> >>Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg,
>Waxing
> >>Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, Fascists
> >>
> >>
> >> > all eyes on hunger-fraud the "judas-goat".
> >> >
> >> > the "first thing to do", under the circumstances, is to keep the
> >>"butcher"
> >> > out of "recognized" political power, i.e. governor, president...
> >> >
> >> > this means now: smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire!
> >> > as we build the necessary peoples' political organization to defeat
>them
> >> > both.
> >> >
> >> > you shd know that hunger-fraud encouraged splitting the anti-bush
>vote
> >>in
> >> > '00, endorsing nadir's folly,
> >> >
> >> > & encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the
> >>contradictions
> >> > between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott".
> >> >
> >> > objectively (which matters most) this is the "butcher's" best
>strategy
> >>for
> >> > the peoples' forces.
> >> >
> >> > science, not schemes.
> >> >
> >> > cliff
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...>
> >> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>,
><nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>,
> >> > ><siddharta5@...>, <savewbai@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > >CC: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, <amirib@...>,
> >> > ><MeadHajduk@...>, <hajdukmi@...>, <jmodibo@...>,
> >> > ><Paul4sure@...>
> >> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred,
> >>Matthew,
> >> > >Howard, Fascists
> >> > >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:28:34 -0400
> >> > >
> >> > >You bring up a lot of points, Howard. Let me respond to a few.
> >> > >
> >> > >Your historic reference to Hitler is factually inaccurate. The
>Hit-man
> >>was
> >> > >never elected. He was appointed to the chancellorship of Germany
>when
> >>the
> >> > >Nazi vote was declining and class struggle was acute and rising. The
> >> > >Communist Party was large and active, the most consistent opponent
>of
> >>the
> >> > >Nazis. The bourgeoisie turned to fascism because the outbreak of
> >>revolution
> >> > >was too likely for them to continue with parliamentary democracy.
> >> > >
> >> > >Hitler was able to consolidate his grip because the right-wing
>Social
> >> > >Democrats (Gerry Schroeder's direct political ancestors) caved in to
> >>the
> >> > >Nazis and broke ranks with the working class forces. They were labor
> >>union
> >> > >bureaucrats like the AFL-CIO bureaucracy that is so slavishly tied
>to
> >>the
> >> > >Democrats.
> >> > >
> >> > >What we need are firm and consistent political organizations that
>serve
> >>the
> >> > >people, not the bourgeoisie. The Democrats have always impeded this
> >>kind
> >>of
> >> > >organization. If the Republicans are the butcher, the Dems are the
> >>Judas
> >> > >goat that leads the people to the slaughter. In such a situation the
> >>first
> >> > >thing to do is to get people to stop following the Judas goat. If
>the
> >>goat
> >> > >is no longer effective then even the butcher is going to find his
>whole
> >>act
> >> > >no longer works. In the case of the NJ Gov election, McGreevey
>doesn't
> >>want
> >> > >voters to have a choice to his left. But neither does Schundler!
>That's
> >> > >where someone like Coleman can play a part.
> >> > >
> >> > >We need the same things today that the people have always needed: a
> >>genuine
> >> > >revolutionary party of the working class, that is, a Communist Party
> >>that
> >> > >can alone give real and consistent leadership against the
>bourgeoisie;
> >>and,
> >> > >a broad united-front electoral and "legal" party (legality is always
>a
> >>very
> >> > >dodgy thing under capitalism) to break the grip of Repubocrats. But
> >>you
> >> > >are
> >> > >right on the main point: we need a revolution. This can only be
>brought
> >> > >about by the working class. That is why we need the Communist Party
> >>(i.e.,
> >> > >a
> >> > >real one.)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
> >> > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>;
><nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>;
> >> > ><siddharta5@...>; <savewbai@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > >Cc: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>; <amirib@...>;
> >> > ><MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>; <jmodibo@...>;
> >> > ><Paul4sure@...>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:12 PM
> >> > >Subject: [poprogress] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew,
>Howard,
> >> > >Fascists
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > I hope these are my last mumblings on this subject.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > IF nothing else, candidates such as Nader and Coleman help to
>bring
> >>up
> >> > > > issues most critical to the well-being of the community. When
>their
> >> > >message
> >> > > > reaches the public, it serves to hold the leading contenders'
>feet
> >>to
> >> > >the
> >> > > > fire.
> >> > > > The major point of dispute is whether a 3rd party candidate will
> >>cause
> >> > >[has
> >> > > > caused] the loss of the least crappy of the two leading
>contenders.
> >> > > > If we all keep voting for Gores and McGreevys, election after
> >>election,
> >> > >how
> >> > > > does it suddenly become possible for a true progressive to ever
>win
> >>--
> >> > >the
> >> > > > public will not have heard of that person before?!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In the absence of a Hitler-like main contender, a rational path
> >>could
> >>be
> >> > > > to put adequate resources into supporting progressive Assembly,
> >> > > > Senate and Council candidates -- who control legislation, and
>take
> >>the
> >> > > > Chinese long view of the Governorship by continuing to put up
>worthy
> >> > > > candidates for that office, even tho it may allow the greater of
>2
> >>evils
> >> > >to
> >> > > > win. If the PEOPLE don't get the message of their bad decision in
> >>short
> >> > > > order, then the people are the problem. Meanwhile the 3rd party
> >> > >candidate
> >> > > > and party should keep up the promotion of their better ideas
>BETWEEN
> >> > > > elections to keep the education of the public rolling and to
>prime
> >>the
> >> > > > public awareness for the next election.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On the national scene, either Nader and the Green Party have
>failed
> >>to
> >> > >TRY
> >> > > > do this since the Supreme Court COUP, or the masses have not
>gotten
> >>the
> >> > > > Green Party's continuing message
> >> > > > for other reasons [lack of GP funds, ostracized from public media
> >> > >outlets,
> >> > > > ...]
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If it's a Hitler vs a Crap in a close race next time, it would be
> >> > >suicide
> >> > >to
> >> > > > vote for 3rd, 4th, 5th party candidates. Germany learned and
>taught
> >>us
> >> > >that
> >> > > > back in the late 1920's and 1930's. Short of that kind of choice,
>a
> >> > >worthy
> >> > > > 3rd party candidate exposes and infects the general populace with
>a
> >> > >better
> >> > > > TRUTH, exposes lies, and proposes plans for a better way.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In the absence of reasonably detailed plans [including sources of
> >> > >funding
> >> > > > for the plan] presented to support the progressive program
>planks,
> >>the
> >> > > > public should assume the candidate is so full of crap that it's
> >> > >overflowing
> >> > > > as political blather, sentimental rather than hard-headed
>sensible..
> >> > > >
> >> > > > In a democracy I don't see a better, less painful way to get the
>job
> >> > >done
> >> > > > after decades of political neglect BY THE VOTING AGE PUBLIC. If
>we
> >> > > > externalize the problem onto rotten politicians, we compound the
> >>problem
> >> > >by
> >> > > > not owning it as OUR personal responsibility or lack thereof in
> >>being
> >> > > > participants in our own democratic government.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We need a gahdam Revolution in what it means to be a citizen;
>maybe
> >>the
> >> > > > coming economic collapse will kick us all in the cortex and
>colon.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I applaud and admire your continuing efforts to register, educate
> >>and
> >> > >get
> >> > > > the vote out.
> >> > > > If I am not a complete slimeball, I'll join you on Sat and/or
> >>Sundays.
> >> > > > Regarding Leid's management techniques and Fascism as applied to
> >> > >business,
> >> > > > 'If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and floats like
>a
> >> > >duck,
> >> > > > and flies like a duck, and ducks the truth like a duck, and looks
> >>like
> >> > >duck,
> >> > > > is it really a ventriliquising goose, or is it PERHAPS a duck?'
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Up justice.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Horrid
> >> > > >
> >> > > > P.S. How can we believe the latest poll of 395 people as
>indicating
> >> > >McGreevy
> >> > > > has a very large lead over Schundler, when we don't know whether
>the
> >> > > > demographics of the 395 polled match the demographics of the
> >>millions
> >>of
> >> > > > expected-to-vote citizens. I admit my blatant ignorance of
> >>statistics,
> >> > >but
> >> > > > how can they calculate a margin of error without knowing the true
> >> > >outcome
> >> > >of
> >> > > > the election against which to compare their statistical sample of
> >>395?
> >> > >What
> >> > > > are all of the assumptions made in this report? Are we being
>lulled
> >>into
> >> > > > complacency like Dewey was in his race against Truman?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >> > > > To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>; <siddharta5@...>;
> >> > > > <savewbai@yahoogroups.com>
> >> > > > Cc: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>;
> >><onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>;
> >> > > > <amirib@...>; <MeadHajduk@...>; <hajdukmi@...>;
> >> > > > <jmodibo@...>; <Paul4sure@...>
> >> > > > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 5:45 PM
> >> > > > Subject: [poprogress] Response to Fred & Howard Re: Rothenberg's
> >> > >analysis
> >> > >of
> >> > > > the fascist rule and WBAI
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > (I WISH TO THANK FRED N.(NJFRIENDS) & HOWARD (P.O.P.) FOR
> >>RESPONDING
> >> > >TO
> >> > >MY
> >> > > > > POST RE: ROTHENBERG'S ADDRESS OF SITUATION AT WBAI. IT'S
> >>ENCOURAGING
> >> > >THAT
> >> > > > > NOT EVERYONE THINKS THIS DEBATE ALSO INVOLVING THE 2000
>NATIONAL
> >> > >ELECTIONS
> >> > > > > IS EITHER FINISHED, FUTILE, OR SIMPLY A THREAT TO THEIR
> >>ASPIRATIONS.
> >> > >I'VE
> >> > > > > DONE MY BEST TO RESPOND TO BOTH ARGUMENTS, BY WAY OF FRED'S
> >> > >LETTER--AND
> >> > >TO
> >> > > > > HOWARD I WOULD ONLY ADD THAT WHILE YOUR LETTER WAS VERY
>ARTICULATE
> >>AND
> >> > > > > MOVINGLY PASSIONATE, YOU NEGLECTED SOME OF THE MOST CRITICAL
> >>ISSUES
> >>I
> >> > > > > RAISED. MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPS BELOW -MATTHEW SMITH, UNITY &
> >> > >STRUGGLE)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred N. wrote:
> >> > > > > Friends,This post was sent to the friends of wbai - NJ list
>which
> >>is
> >> > >not
> >> > >a
> >> > > > > discussionboard but anannouncement board which I moderate.I
>will
> >>not
> >> > >post
> >> > > > it
> >> > > > > but will respond below as interspersed in CAPS:Fred N. (NJ)-
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -- original message-- Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...>
> >>wrote:>>
> >> > >This
> >> > > > is
> >> > > > > an interesting commentary drawing associations between WBAI's>
> >>support
> >> > >of
> >> > > > > Nader and changes that have occured at the station since Bush
>&>
> >>the
> >> > >right
> >> > > > > stole the 2001 election.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's Reply: There has never been an endorsement of Ralph
>Nader
> >>by
> >> > >WBAI
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- WHILE THERE ARE, NO WERE, MANY DIVERSE
>VOICES
> >>AT
> >> > >WBAI,
> >> > > > > THERE WAS CLEARLY A DOMINANT TREND AMONGST THE NOW 'BANNED AND
> >>FIRED'
> >> > >WHO
> >> > > > > WERE THE MOST ARDENT SUPPORTERS OF NADER, AND THERE IS ALOT OF
> >>OVERLAP
> >> > >IN
> >> > > > > TERMS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE BASE OF SUPPORTERS.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -- original message-- Interesting, but one of David>
>Rothenburg's
> >>main
> >> > > > > errors (similar to what we've heard from> WBAI/naderites/greens
> >>since
> >> > >the
> >> > > > > X-Mas coup) is to associate Utrice Lead with> Hitler (Lead is a
> >> > >bullying
> >> > > > > traitor and self-aggrandizing opportunist, but> not a fascist &
>to
> >> > >call
> >> > > > her
> >> > > > > a fascist takes the spotlight off Bush2 &> Co.--though WBAI
>coup
> >>is
> >> > > > > certainly part of erotion of democracy in US),> According to
> >> > >Rothenberg,
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > #1 enemy again is the Democratic Party, while>
> >>Bush2/Republican/REAL
> >> > > > > FASCISTS again get a pass (at least in terms of proper>
>historic
> >> > >analysis)
> >> > > > > even while Rothenberg himself candidly admits that WBAI's>
>support
> >>of
> >> > > > Nader
> >> > > > > helped throw the election to B2!!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's Reply: I did not listen to David Rothenberg's talk,
>where,
> >>by
> >> > >the
> >> > > > > way, heannounces that he maynever return because he is likely
>to
> >>be
> >> > >fired
> >> > > > > for saying what he was saying.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST EXCHANGE, LET ME
> >>REITERATE
> >> > >UP
> >> > > > > FRONT MY UNBENDING, BUT CRITICAL, SUPPORT FOR THE EXILE
>COMMUNITY
> >>AT
> >> > >WBAI.
> >> > > > > WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING THERE IS A TRAVESTY AND AN ASSAULT ON
> >> > >DEMOCRACY,
> >> > > > AS
> >> > > > > WBAI HAS BEEN A GREAT AND NECESSARY PUBLIC INSTITUTION. & TO
>BE
> >>SURE,
> >> > >I
> >> > > > > HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT I CAN TO SHOW THAT SUPPORT, (DISPENSING
> >> > >INFORMATION,
> >> > > > > ATTENDING RALLIES, MAKING PHONE CALLS), THOUGH IT NEVER FEELS
>LIKE
> >> > >ENOUGH
> >> > > > > WHEN EVERY WEEK ANOTHER IMPORTANT VOICE IS SILENCED....)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's: Ido agree withDavid on the point that the methods used
>by
> >> > >Utrice
> >> > > > > Leid are common to thefascists (suppression ofspeech,
> >> > >intimidation/public
> >> > > > > humiliation, false claims of theft/violence andconstant
> >> > >personalattacks.
> >> > >
> >> > > > U.
> >> > > > > Leid also installed an 8 camera audio-video serveillance
> >> > >systemcomplete
> >> > > > > withcard-key entry system which makes Rykers Island look low
>tech.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(I HAVE NO ARGUMENT WITH DRAWING COMPARISONS TO THE
> >> > >METHODS
> >> > > > USED
> >> > > > > TO LOCK OUT THE DISSENTING VOICES WITH 'AUTHORITARIAN' OR
> >> > >'TOTALITARIAN'
> >> > > > > METHODS ASSOCIATED WITH A CORPORATE TAKE-OVER, BUT 'FASCISM'
>HAS A
> >> > >VERY
> >> > > > > SPECIFIC MEANING...MY ARGUEMENT WAS IS THAT UTRICE LEID HERSELF
> >>HAS
> >> > >BEEN
> >> > > > > LABELED A 'FASCIST' WITH THE SAME SELF-RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION
>THAT
> >> > >CHIDED
> >> > > > > SOME OF US DURING THE ELECTION FOR POINTING TO THE DANGER OF
>THE
> >> > > > BUSH2CREW,
> >> > > > > THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT & CORPORATE FASCISTS (MORE ON THAT BELOW)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's: I also agreethat the DemocraticParty has betrayed the
> >>American
> >> > > > > working class and is now dominated by people whoare doing
> >>thebidding
> >> > >of
> >> > > > very
> >> > > > > large corporations and global finance interests.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- ONLY SOME KIND OF CONFUSION THAT THE DEM'S
>EVER
> >> > >SERVED
> >> > > > > THE INTEREST OF THE AMREICAN W.C. WOULD LEAD ANYONE TO THINK
>THAT
> >>THEY
> >> > > > HAVE
> >> > > > > SINCE BETRAYED THEM. THE DEM. PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A
>BOURGEOIS
> >> > >PARTY,
> >> > > > AND
> >> > > > > HAS ALWAYS BEEN DOMINATED BY PEOPLE DOING BIDDING OF LARGE
> >> > >CORPORATIONS.
> >> > > > > EVEN ROOSEVELT, WHO "SAVED CAPITIALISM FROM THE CAPITALISTS".
>OUR
> >> > > > ARGUMENT
> >> > > > > HERE, HOWEVER, IS THAT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ROOSEVELT THAN
>HITLER.
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > GREENS HELPED BRING US WHO?....WHAT DID ROTHENBURG SAY ABOUT
> >>SWINGING
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > VOTE TO BUSH, AND WHY WERE THE REPUBLICANS RUNNING NADER ADS
> >>DURING
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > CAMPAIGN?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's: The fact that Amy Goodman reported on Nader does not
>mean
> >>that
> >> > > > WBAI
> >> > > > > was a station controlled by the Greens.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(IT WAS A DOMINANT TREND)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -- original message-- There's a deep imbalance> of perspective
> >>that
> >> > >needs
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > be corrected here in terms of the Green Party> histortic role
>in
> >>2001,
> >> > > > > causing them to cast Dem's as main enemy and Rep's> as no
>worse.
> >> > > > > (Apparently, because Dem's are biggest threat to Green voting>
> >>base!!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's Reply: The Dems are not a threat to the Greens, the
>Greens
> >>did
> >> > >not
> >> > > > > defeat Al Gore. Al Gore and the DNC and massive
> >>corporate-sponsored
> >> > > > > campaigning turned off voters and defeated Al Gore. Half of
>all
> >> > >registers
> >> > > > > don't vote. Half a billion dollars worth of
> >>corporatecontributions
> >> > >did
> >> > > > not
> >> > > > > change that.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(HOLY MACKERAL! AL GORE WON! THIS IS WHAT I MEAN
>WHEN
> >>I
> >> > >SAY
> >> > > > THE
> >> > > > > GREENS AS WELL AS MUCH OF THE, DARE I SAY, PETIT-BOURG 'LEFT',
>DE
> >> > >FACTO,
> >> > > > > GIVE BUSH2 & THE ACTUAL FAR-RIGHT A FREE PASS. RECALL THAT
>WHEN
> >>THE
> >> > > > > ELECTION WAS BEING STOLEN IN FLORIDA & BY D.C.'S OBSCENE COURT,
> >>NOT
> >> > >FROM
> >> > > > > GORE, MIND YOU, BUT FROM THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO DID VOTE,
>THE
> >> > >NADER
> >> > > > > SUPPORTERS WENT WHERE? BACK TO SEATTLE FOR "GLOBALIZATION
> >>PROTEST,
> >> > >PART
> >> > > > > II"- UNFORTUNATELY, NADER AND THE GREENS ALLOWED THEIR,
> >>MORE-OR-LESS
> >> > >WELL
> >> > > > > INTENDED, MAINLY WHITE & MIDDLE-CLASS, CONSTITUENCY BELIEVE
>THAT
> >>IT
> >> > >WAS
> >> > > > > BETTER TO *PROTEST* GLOBAL IMPERIALISM THAN TO *SEIZE POWER*
>FROM
> >>ITS
> >> > >MOST
> >> > > > > JINGOISTIC, BACKWARD,& REACTIONARY REPRESENTATIVES (ie: the
> >> > >f-f-FASCISTS)
> >> > > > AS
> >> > > > > THEY WERE BUSY UNDERMINING THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL VOTE,
>TRAMPLING
> >>ON
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > VOTER RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, AND THROWING THE 13TH, 14TH, & 15TH
> >> > >AMMENDMENTS
> >> > > > > OUT THE SCARY WINDOW--ALL OF WHICH, OF COURSE, AFFECT THE
>POOREST
> >>AND
> >> > > > > OPPRESSED NATIONALISTIES MOST AND FIRST.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -- original message-- To wit: when Nader spoke in Newark,
>suburban
> >> > > > Montclair
> >> > > > > was there, but> not urban Newark grassroots, save for P.O.P.,
>let
> >> > >alone
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > working class> from any town) This same opportunism causes the
> >>P.B.,
> >> > >esp.
> >> > > > > on the left, to> think that only when it comes for THEM, then
>it's
> >> > >worthy
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > the name> fascism!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's Reply: Actually, Ralph Nader did have some very large
> >>popular
> >> > > > > rallies around the country that were not covered by the mass
> >>medias.
> >> > >It's
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > bitch to try to be prez without money and free publicity from
>the
> >> > > > corporate
> >> > > > > medias. WBAI was doing what it's mission states: air the
>voices
> >>of
> >> > > > dissent
> >> > > > > that are not presented anywhere else.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AS WBAI SHOULD, NO DOUBT...BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN
>WITH
> >>THE
> >> > > > GREEN
> >> > > > > PARTY STRATEGY IS THAT THEY HAVE WANTED THE HEAD WITHOUT
>BUILDING
> >>THE
> >> > > > BODY.
> >> > > > > WELL BEFORE NADER CAME STROLLING, LA-DI-DA, INTO THE ELECTION
> >>CAMPAIGN
> >> > > > SOME
> >> > > > > TIME LATE- WAY BACK DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON, "UNITY &
>STRUGGLE"
> >> > >ISSUED
> >> > > > THE
> >> > > > > CALL TO FORM A 'LEFT-BLOC' UNITED FRONT TO "MARCH SEPERATELY,
> >>STRIKE
> >> > > > > TOGETHER" AGAINST THE FAR-RIGHT IN GERNERAL, TO PUSH BRADLEY
>TO
> >>THE
> >> > >LEFT
> >> > > > IN
> >> > > > > OPPOSITION TO GORE, AND TO AIM SPECIFIC BLOWS AT, FOR INSTANCE,
> >>THE
> >> > >CLOSED
> >> > > > > BOURGEOIS DEBATE FORUM AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE (IMAGINE!).
>BUT
> >>ALSO
> >> > >TO
> >> > > > > RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN! (CONCRETELY: WE HAD A CITY
>COUNCIL
> >> > >RACE
> >> > >IN
> >> > > > > NEW BRUNSWICK IN 2000 WHERE WE UNITED WITH GREENS ON A
>"PEOPLES'
> >> > > > DEMOCRACY"
> >> > > > > CAMPAIGN, & NOW WE ARE BACKING RAS BARAKA2002 FOR CITY COUNCIL
>IN
> >> > >NEWARK.)
> >> > > > > BUT LOOK! HERE COME THE NJGREENS AGAIN, UNCRITICALLY,
>THREATENING
> >>WITH
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > SAME BLUNDER THAT BROUGHT US B2, NOW IN AN ABSOLUTELY UNWINABLE
> >> > > > GUBENETORIAL
> >> > > > > RACE IN NJ, DECLARING THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
> >> > >CENTRIST-PUPPET
> >> > > > > MCGREEVY AND FAR-RIGHT IDEOLOGUE SCHUNDLER, OR AT LEAST NOT
>ENOUGH
> >>FOR
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > NJGREENS TO INSTEAD ENDORSE A LEFT-BLOC UNITED FRONT
> >>STRATEGY-THEIR
> >> > > > PROBLEM
> >> > > > > (WHICH IS NOW OUR PROBLEM) IS THAT THEY WANT TO GO IT ALONE,
> >>RATHER
> >> > >THAN
> >> > > > > JOINING IN A UNITED FRONT TO RUN CAMPAIGNS WHERE WE CAN WIN,
>AND
> >>YES,
> >> > > > > UNITING AGAINST THE WORSE EVIL IN THE SHORT-TERM.
> >>(BUSH/SCHUNDLER)
> >> > > > > OPPORTUNISM IS ESSENTIALLY SACRIFICING THE LONG-TERM GOAL FOR
>THE
> >> > >SHORT
> >> > > > > TERM. THIS IS THE CONTEXT IN WHICH I APPLY THE TERM TO THE
>GREEN
> >> > >PARTY
> >> > > > > STRATEGY.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -- original message-- Yet, how many more times will we hear
>many
> >>of
> >> > >the
> >> > > > same
> >> > > > > people say,> "It's good to have Bush (like Giulliani & the real
> >> > >fascists)
> >> > > > > because it will> only strengthen the resisitance"Reply:
>Someone
> >>said
> >> > > > that?
> >> > > > > Who? David Rothenberg? Apparently, nobody told this to Weimar
>in>
> >>the
> >> > > > > 1930's. So, yes, we must save WBAI, starting with defending
>Amy
> >> > >Goodman>
> >> > > > &
> >> > > > > Democracy Now!, but we must be very critical of what led to
>this
> >>mess.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's Reply: What led to this mess is the Corporation for
>Public
> >> > > > > Broadcasting funding which allowed board members from large
> >> > >corporations
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > be named to the Pacifica Board and a Series of executives with
> >> > >connections
> >> > > > > with the Clinton administration to take over Pacifica and
> >>undertake
> >> > >its
> >> > > > > destruction.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(FRED- THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE
>DOMINANT
> >>TREND
> >> > >OF
> >> > > > > GREEN SUPPORT AT THE OLD WBAI AND THE GREEN PARTY ITSELF, IF
>NOT
> >>DE
> >> > >JURY
> >> > > > > THEN DE FACTO, ESPOUSE THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS A GREATER
> >>THREAT
> >> > >TO
> >> > > > THEM
> >> > > > > THAN THE REPUBLICAN AND FAR-RIGHT. THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN
> >> > >INTRIGUING
> >> > > > > CASE TO BE MADE THAT UTRICE LEID & CO. REPRESENT THE STRONG-ARM
>OF
> >>A
> >> > > > > DEMOCRATIC PARTY TAKE-OVER AND 'NPR'-ING OF WBAI (& WE ALL KNOW
> >>THAT
> >> > > > > CORPORATE 'UNDERWRITING' IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER) AGAIN, AS I
> >>SAID,
> >> > >ONLY
> >> > > > > THE CONFUSED NOTION THAT THE BOURGEOISIE'S DEMOCRATIC PARTY
>EVER
> >> > >WORKED
> >> > >IN
> >> > > > > THE TRUE INTERESTS OF THE W.C. WOULD STIR UP THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS
> >> > > > INDIGNATION
> >> > > > > THAT FOLLOWS BETRAYAL. BUT WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THIS TAKE-OVER
>OF
> >> > >WBAI
> >> > > > DOES
> >> > > > > NOT EXIST IN ISOLATION FROM THE CORPORATE TAKE-OVER OF ALL
>SPHERES
> >>OF
> >> > > > PUBLIC
> >> > > > > LIFE & CULTURE? HOW LONG HAS NPR BEEN RUNNIN LEXUS ADS AFTER
>ALL?
> >> > >HOW
> >> > > > > ABOUT THE COOPTATION OF HIP-HOP? JAZZ? THE BLUES? IF YOU
>READ
> >>AMIRI
> >> > > > > BARAKA'S RECENT SLAMMING OF THE ENSUING COOPTATION OF
>SLAM-POETRY,
> >> > >YOU'LL
> >> > > > > SEE THE SAME TREND. THIS IS AS OLD AS CONSTANTINE'S
>"CONVERSION"
> >>TO
> >> > > > > CHRISTIANITY. THE DIFFERENCE WITH WBAI IS THAT IT'S SUCH A
>VITAL
> >> > > > COMPONENT
> >> > > > > OF THE REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE AND LOSING IT AS A
> >>RESOURCE
> >> > >IS
> >> > > > > STILL BIZARRELY UNTHINKABLE. BUT SO WHAT IF WE CAN AGREE THAT
>THE
> >> > > > DEMOCRATS
> >> > > > > ARE THE IMMEDIATE ASSASSINES. THIS DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE
> >>FACT
> >> > >THAT
> >> > > > > WHILE IMPERIALISM IS TAKING OVER MORE AND MORE PUBLIC
>INSTITUTIONS
> >> > >(BTW,
> >> > > > MR.
> >> > > > > JERRY COLEMAN- SCHUNDLER WANTS TO PRIVATIZE LIBRARIES!!) THE
> >>**ENTIRE
> >> > > > > POLITICAL SPECTRUM** HAS SHIFTED RIGHT. NOT JUST, SIMPLY,
>AND/OR
> >>ONLY
> >> > >THE
> >> > > > > DEMOCRATS, VIA NEW-DEM CLINTON, AS THE GREENS PROFESS WHEN THEY
> >> > >SUGGEST
> >> > > > THE
> >> > > > > MORPHING OF THE TWO PARTIES! THIS IS OBJECTIVE AND
>IRREFUTABLE,
> >>ONE
> >> > >WOULD
> >> > > > > THINK.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's: David Rothenberg knows. Al Lewis knows. Bob Lederer,
> >>Robert
> >> > > > > Knight, Juan Gonzales, Deepa Fernandes, Mimi Rosenberg, Verna
> >>Avery
> >> > >Brown,
> >> > > > > Mario Murillo, Ken Nash and Bernard White's Wake Up Call's crew
> >>know.
> >> > >The
> >> > > > > democratic party will not save us. They are running the same
> >>national
> >> > > > > security state and prison/military industrial complex with the
> >>same
> >> > > > motives
> >> > > > > of fear, greed and hubris than their republican friends.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(YES, YES. INOTHERWORDS, THEY ARE ALL IMERIALISTS.
> >>LET'S
> >> > > > CALL
> >> > > > > IT WHAT IT IS.)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Fred's: Wake up Matt,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > (PRESENTE!)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > WBAI and Pacifica were the ALTERNATIVE RADIO. After that, yes,
> >>the
> >> > > > fascist
> >> > > > > state will have silenced us and few Democrats will have said a
> >>thing.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > MY RESPONSE:(AGREED. NOW LET US UNITE TO:RIP DOWN THE
>CONFEDERATE
> >> > > > > FLAG!ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE!BEAT BACK SCHUNDLER!SEIZE
>POWER
> >> > > > > EVERYWHERE THAT REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY CAN ADVANCE!AND,
>FINALLY,
> >> > >UTELIZE
> >> > > > > REASON & SCIENCE AS WELL AS PASSION....IN THE STRUGGLE FOR
> >> > >NITY -MATTHEW
> >> > > > > SMITH)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
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>From: Ben Manski <manski@...> >Reply-To: GreenMovement@yahoogroups.com >To: greenmovement@yahoogroups.com, greens@yahoogroups.com, >usgp-COO@... >Subject: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong Defense of Nader/LaDuke 2000 >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:47:12 -0500 > > >�Strategic Lessons of the 2000 Presidential Election: >A Pro-Nader Perspective� > >Constellations, Volume 8, Number 3, September 2001, pp.348-363. > >Patrick S. Barrett >Administrative Director >A. E. Havens Center for the Study of Social Structure and Social Change >University of Wisconsin-Madison >Introduction > >The recent presidential election was a historically significant one for a >number of reasons. Perhaps the most obvious was the controversial manner in >which George W. Bush assumed office. Another reason, however, was the >division and rancor the election produced among supporters of Al Gore and >Ralph Nader. More than its effect on the outcome of the election itself, >the deeper significance of the Gore-Nader controversy was the debate over >political strategy that it generated on the left. It has been a long time >since the left has engaged in such a debate, and its occurrence should >therefore be seen as a positive development. At the same time, the fact >that U.S. progressives are largely unaccustomed to thinking strategically >may help to explain why the debate has been conducted at such a low level >of sophistication and with such little forthrightness, especially on the >part of those who backed Gore and the Democrats. Indeed, it is ironic that >the most common criticism of Nader supporters made by the backers of Gore >namely, that the former are strategically shortsighted, irresponsible, and >even destructive may be much more accurately applied to themselves. >What follows, then, is primarily intended as a critique of the pro-Gore >position. But it is also intended as a defense of the pro-Nader position, >which contains some of the essential elements of a long-term strategy for >bringing about real progressive change, even if not ultimately embodied in >Nader or the Greens. Both of these objectives can be accomplished by >addressing four fundamental and interrelated questions: (1) Where are we?; >(2) How did we get here?; (3) Where do we want to go?; and (4) How do we >get there? Together, these four questions are indispensable to any effort >aimed at devising a long-term strategy for progressive change. All four >questions, moreover, were nearly universally neglected, if not actively >avoided, by the backers of Gore and the Democrats. >Where Are We? >Beginning with this question is crucial, for if we do not engage in an >accurate assessment of our current circumstances, we have little chance of >moving forward, much less getting very far. Thus, before we determine where >we want to go, or the steps we need to take to get there, we need to >understand our point of departure. Clearly, there is insufficient space >here for more than a very cursory response to this question. The first and >most obvious observation, then, is that ours is an extremely inequitable >society. Indeed, among all the advanced economies of the world, the U.S. >has the most unequal distribution of wealth and income, the least economic >mobility, the longest hours logged by its workers, one of the highest rates >of poverty, one of the most regressive tax structures, and the least >developed welfare state. Our society is also characterized by severe racial >inequality, as African Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities >suffer the disproportionate effect of these disparities. Moreover, the >degree of inequality has worsened dramatically over the last 25-30 years. > With 25% of the world�s prisoners (a disproportionate and rising >number of whom are people of color), the U.S. can also boast the highest >level of incarceration in the world. It is also one of the few nations that >still employ the death penalty, which is applied in a highly discriminatory >manner. In addition, our industrial relations system is heavily skewed in >favor of employers and, not surprisingly, we have one of the weakest labor >movements. In few developed countries, moreover, are the rights of women >more limited and precarious. We also consume an inordinate proportion of >the world�s natural resources, in the process destroying our natural >environment at an increasingly alarming rate. Not content to confine the >ill effects of these practices to our own citizens, we seek to impose them >on the rest of the world via a foreign policy whose overriding concern is >the expansion of U.S. military might and corporate interests. > Our political system only serves to reinforce these outcomes. Our >winner-take-all electoral system limits our political options to two >political parties, which, although not identical, are strikingly similar >and have grown increasingly so over the years. In few other developed >countries are the political rules of the game so skewed and the resulting >set of political options so limited. The two main political parties, >moreover, have come to serve an increasingly narrow and privileged segment >of the population, made possible in part by the rising corporate domination >of our system of campaign finance and our legislative process. At the same >time, the growing corporate domination and concentration of our mass media >has had the effect of severely constricting our national political debate. >It should therefore come as no surprise that approximately half of the >voting age population does not vote in presidential elections, and that >those who do are disproportionately white and privileged. In fact, over the >last forty years, voter turnout in the U.S. has been falling steadily, >especially among the least privileged. > In the face of such a reality, it would seem that the only >appropriate response is outrage. In this regard, the Nader campaign >performed a service that has been long overdue. It relentlessly drew >attention to the fundamental problems confronting the country and demanded >that they be addressed. The Democrats, by contrast, steadfastly avoided >discussion of these problems and their own role in causing them. So too did >many of their supporters on the left. Indeed, rather than a >�lesser-of-two-evils� approach to the election, what many progressives >engaged in can more accurately be described as one of �see no evil, hear no >evil, speak no evil.� In reality, the Democrats, especially under the >Clinton-Gore administration, have veered significantly to the right, >adopting core Republican positions as their own and in some cases going >further with them than the Republicans had been able to do themselves. The >most notorious example of this is the 1996 welfare reform bill, which >gutted one of the central accomplishments of the New Deal. >But there are many others, including a hard-line approach to crime and drug >abuse that has led to a doubling of the prison population in the last eight >years, an enthusiastic embrace of the death penalty despite the >overwhelming evidence that it kills innocent people and is racially >discriminatory, an obsession with balanced budgets that has depended upon >cuts in social spending, a foreign policy that was as militaristic and >anti-humanitarian as that of its Republican predecessors while even more >devoted to advancing the economic interests of Wall Street and corporate >America, and an environmental record that was so bad as to prompt David >Brower to conclude that �Gore and Clinton have done more to harm the >environment than Reagan and Bush combined.� Under Clinton and Gore, the >Democrats also became far more adept at corporate fund-raising, >significantly closing the gap with their Republican rivals. And not >surprisingly, inequality continued to grow, despite the vaunted economic >expansion of the 1990s. >The list is longer, but this should have been enough to produce outrage on >the part of progressives. Such outrage, however, was in amazingly short >supply. Nor was there much anger over the fact that there was a systematic >effort to silence the one candidate who was attempting to draw attention to >the administration�s abysmal record, Ralph Nader. Indeed, throughout most >of the summer of 2000, Gore and his supporters worked hard to deny Nader a >national forum. They were aided in this effort by the national media, which >largely ignored him. To the degree that the media did cover his campaign, >it was to portray him as a �spoiler,� never to report on the substance of >his positions. In the early fall, with Gore trailing in the polls, the >media and the Democrats did begin to pay more attention to Nader, but only >to vilify him as a destructive egotist and to insist that there was no >alternative to �the Party.� Simultaneously, the distortion of the >Democrats� and Gore�s record reached new heights. Gore was consistently >portrayed as a champion of civil rights, labor rights, women�s rights, the >environment, and gay rights. Given Gore�s appalling record in all of these >areas, this was a particularly cynical effort. It was all the more cynical >given the Gore supporters� indignation over Nader�s supposed exaggeration >of the similarities between Bush and Gore. In truth, Nader did exaggerate, >but not by much and certainly far less than the Gore supporters in claiming >a difference between the two candidates. >In their lionizing of Gore, his supporters somehow forgot about his 84% >pro-life voting record, his steadfast support for free trade, his close >ties to tobacco and oil companies and weapons manufacturers, his efforts to >end affirmative action for federal contractors through his �reinventing >government� program, his repeated betrayal of pledges to protect the >environment, and his long history as a gay basher. Also forgotten was the >fact that it was Gore who first race-baited Dukakis in the 1988 Democratic >primaries with the Willie Horton story and who made it a personal mission >to undermine the Jackson campaign in the 1988 New York primary. There was >also little reaction when Gore openly bragged about his support for the >death penalty, his key role in pushing through the 1996 Welfare Reform >Bill, his unbending support for sanctions on Iraq and military aid to >Colombia, or his call for an increase in defense spending twice that >proposed by Bush. Nor was there much reaction when he chose Joseph >Lieberman (one of the most conservative and pro-business members of the >Senate) as his running mate and former Commerce Secretary William Daley (a >leading figure in the administration�s effort to promote free trade) as his >campaign chair person. And there was a deafening silence when Lieberman >declared to the Wall Street Journal that big business need not worry about >the semi-populist elements of Gore�s convention speech, since it was simply >rhetoric designed to win votes. >The response of most Gore backers to the outcome of the election has been >consistent with their attitude during the campaign, as they have heaped >considerable abuse on Nader as one of the two culprits who denied Gore his >rightful victory, the other being Bush�s allies on the U.S. Supreme Court. >While there is strong evidence for the latter, the former claim is yet >another example of denying reality. Unfortunately, in the hierarchy of >reasons explaining Gore�s �defeat,� Nader ranks quite low. Far more >significant was the fundamental weakness of the Gore campaign itself, which >was unable to win even Gore�s home state of Tennessee or Clinton�s home >state of Arkansas. This weakness was perhaps in part a negative reaction to >Clinton�s personal behavior and the odd perception that Bush was the >candidate with greater personal integrity. But it more likely reflected the >fact that there were so few discernible differences between the two main >candidates on bread and butter economic issues, particularly to the white >working class. Indeed, voter turnout was the third lowest in the last 75 >years. To be sure, there was a slight increase over 1996 (from 49% to 51%), >but the class composition of the turnout was if anything more skewed than >ever in favor of the upper 20% of income earners. Moreover, one of the main >reasons for the increased turnout was Nader. In fact, in several states, he >helped to elect Democratic congressional candidates. >While a few Democrats have acknowledged the positive role played by Nader, >most have treated him as a pariah. In striking contrast to their posture >toward the new administration, which they have welcomed in a remarkably >�bipartisan� manner, they have been determined to deny Nader any >opportunity to weigh in on policy debates in which they are presumably on >the same side. There are two basic motivations for this posture. One is to >deny their own culpability in their party�s defeat and the sorry state of >the nation. And the other is to send a message to anyone who dares to offer >a progressive alternative to the Democrats that they will pay heavily. >Ironically, Nader in this way performed yet another service by exposing the >Democratic Party for what it is. Indeed, if there were reason to be >skeptical about the party�s democratic convictions prior to this election, >their analysis of the election outcome has provided further reason for >doubt. >How Did We Get Here? >Thus, if we are serious about achieving progressive change, we have to >engage in a more candid and critical assessment of our contemporary >reality. But we also need to understand how we got here. For without an >accurate assessment of what led us to our present circumstances, we are >likely to continue down the same path, with the same or worse results. >Clearly, many of the same factors are in play, as social, economic, and >political inequalities have a way of perpetuating themselves. However, a >major part of the explanation for what got us here once again lies with the >Democratic Party. In this respect, Nader again did a far better job of >assessing reality than Gore. But Nader was actually too soft on the >Democrats, repeatedly suggesting that they had departed from their >progressive roots. The reality is that the Democratic Party never had such >roots and was never a champion of the rights of working people and racial >minorities. >During the twentieth century, there have been only two moments when the >Democrats have presided over major progressive change: the New Deal of FDR >and the Great Society programs of Lyndon Johnson. Two conclusions can be >drawn from these experiences. One is that only pressure from below has ever >moved the Democrats in a progressive direction. The second is that the >lengths to which they can be moved are greatly limited by their ties to big >business interests. In both instances, the Democrats were forced to accept >change in response to massive popular mobilization. And in both cases, for >a variety of reasons, important segments of business were willing to >tolerate some degree of progressive change. However, that willingness was >both limited and short-lived. In fact, many of the more far-reaching >initiatives, particularly under the New Deal, were never realized, while >many of the accomplishments were quickly subjected to attack and, before >long, reversal. In the case of the New Deal, the possibilities for change >were also severely limited by the key role played by southern racists in >the party. >Particularly over the last 25-30 years, these two factors have changed in >such a way as to cause the Democratic Party to move ever more rightward. >The labor movement, which was the most important popular impetus behind the >New Deal, has grown steadily weaker since the mid-1950s and has assumed a >largely conservative posture. Moreover, with the exception of the 1972 >presidential election, it has given its support to the Democrats >unconditionally. Meanwhile, African Americans, whose mass mobilization >during the 1950s and 1960s was the driving force behind Johnson�s Great >Society programs and triggered the departure of most of the party�s >southern racist contingent, have since become a demobilized and captured >constituency. As a result, the capacity of both groups to influence the >direction of the Democratic Party has diminished significantly. >Simultaneously, the party has grown increasingly dependent upon big >business, which itself has grown less and less tolerant of even the most >moderate proposals for change. This process became most evident in the >early 1980s following the election of Ronald Reagan and the establishment >of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in early 1985. Founded by a >group of primarily southern conservative Democrats, the DLC set out to move >the Party to the right by strengthening its ties to business, while >distancing it from labor, African Americans, and the poor. This effort came >to fruition in 1992 with the election of Clinton and Gore and was further >consolidated with the nomination of Gore and Lieberman in 2000. > The DLC�s main argument for pushing the party to the right is that >the country itself has moved rightward and that in order to win elections, >the party needs to respond to what the voters want. A corollary to this >argument is that the Republicans have also moved to the right and that the >Democrats must do whatever it takes to keep them out of the White House, >including following in their footsteps. But there is virtually no substance >to this argument. Survey data indicate that, if anything, the American >electorate has become more, not less, �liberal� in its attitudes. In fact, >to the degree that Americans have come to oppose government activism, it >has not been because they are hostile to government action to the >contrary, they believe that the government should be actively involved in >problem-solving but rather because they have become disillusioned with the >government�s capacity for problem-solving. Much of that disillusionment, >moreover, can be attributed to the Democrats, who for decades have grown >increasingly unwilling or unable to respond to the economic aspirations of >poor and working class voters and instead have responded to the demands of >the wealthy. > Furthermore, rather than simply responding to the rightward shift >of the Republicans, the Democrats have at times initiated the move to the >right. Indeed, it was the Carter administration that launched Reaganomics, >fully two years before Reagan came into office. And it is no surprise that >Carter lost to Reagan in 1980, with Carter offering such a dismal option to >the working class. Once Reagan was in office, the Democrats also went out >of their way to accommodate his policy initiatives, giving him bigger tax >cuts and increases in military spending than he had asked for, and much of >what he requested in social spending cuts. And rather than responding to >the growing discontent among the poor, working class, and racial >minorities, they instead engaged in a heightened competition with the >Republicans for gaining the backing of business. >The 1984 campaign of Walter Mondale was itself a revealing case study of >the party�s increasing domination by business and its growing distance from >its popular electoral constituencies. Particularly striking was the >campaign�s deliberate efforts to limit voter turnout among the poor and >racial minorities, for fear that it would strengthen the candidacy of Jesse >Jackson. Even after winning the nomination, Mondale continued to oppose >registration efforts despite a 250-page study written by his aides that >concluded that �the only way Mondale can win is by pitching his appeal to >the white working class and minorities.� The main problem, of course, was >the effect such an appeal would have on the Party�s business backers. >Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers described the situation well: >As the Mondale campaign made clear, virtually no Democratic business group >has a stake in expanding the party�s mass base. To gain the support of >millions and millions of poor nonvoters and marginally identifying blue- >and white-collar workers, the Democrats would actually have to offer them >something perhaps a progressive tax code, or full employment, or >unionization with real power for the rank and file, or enhanced social >programs. [But] the party�s dominant business elites are not prepared to do >this. >Constrained by his business backers, Mondale thus offered nothing to those >voters who could have given the Democrats a victory. Instead, he offered >only fiscal restraint and a promise to increase taxes. Coupled with one of >the largest political business cycles ever engineered, this was enough to >produce a landslide victory for Reagan. In the wake of this defeat, party >leaders saw it as an opportunity to push even harder for the strategy that >had produced it. Indeed, it was in early 1985 that the DLC was founded. >Moreover, instead of rewarding Jesse Jackson with greater influence for his >loyalty to the party and the new voters he recruited, the white Democratic >establishment (in a preview of their treatment of Nader in 2000) viciously >scape-goated him for losing the election. In 1986, party nominating rules >were also re-written in an effort to �moderate� the party�s image and >advance a candidate that could appeal to conservative white voters. >It was not until 1992, however, that the DLC succeeded in getting one of >its own elected in the person of Bill Clinton. But Clinton�s victory should >not be seen as a vindication of the DLC�s conservative strategy. Clinton >received fewer votes than Dukakis had in 1988 and would never have won if >not for an economic recession and the presence of a strong third candidate, >Ross Perot, who received millions of votes from the very voting bloc that >has abandoned the Democrats in droves over the last 25 years: low-income >whites. Apparently oblivious to the real significance of the election, >Clinton very quickly dedicated his administration to the service of >business interests, thereby producing the fiasco of the 1994 congressional >elections, in which a rightwing Republican cabal took control of the >Congress. Continuing the pattern established by his party since 1980, >Clinton responded to this outcome by turning even more to the right. Aided >once again by the presence of Ross Perot, a less than stimulating >Republican candidate in Bob Dole, and the fact that the Congressional >Republicans that he had set out to imitate had become thoroughly >discredited, Clinton was able to win reelection in 1996. Voter turnout, >however, was the lowest since 1924. Given this history, it was not >particularly surprising that the 2000 Democratic ticket consisted of Gore >and Lieberman, two darlings of the DLC. It was also not surprising that >Gore, despite benefiting from an unprecedented economic expansion, ran a >very close and uninspired race against George W. Bush, arguably the least >prepared presidential candidate during this century. And it came as no >shock that the southerner Gore did abysmally in the south and that the >Democratic leadership made no effort to challenge the disenfranchisement of >African American voters in Florida and instead worked to diffuse their >protests. >The Democrats, then, have played a major role in producing the increasingly >rightward shift of politics in the United States. By adopting Republican >policy positions, they have legitimated those positions and enabled the >Republicans to move ever farther to the right, with little fear of becoming >politically marginal. When in power, moreover, they more effectively >realize Republican policies by paralyzing groups that are reluctant to >oppose a Democratic President. And by alienating low-income voters, they >pave the way for Republican victories. As Jesse Jackson Jr. recently put >it, the move down this path has been �aided by Democrats. In 1992 a >conservative Democrat, Bill Clinton, selected an even more conservative >running mate, Al Gore, who in 2000 selected an even more conservative >running mate, Joseph Lieberman. By helping to shift the Democratic Party >and the country further right, a very conservative George W. Bush could >select an ultraconservative Dick Cheney as his running mate and win.� > >Where Do We Want to Go? >Now that we have a better sense of where we are and how we got here, the >next task is to figure out where we want to go. How we answer this question >may be the most critical task of all, since it will dictate how we act. >Indeed, in addressing this question, we are beginning to speak more >directly about strategy. This is because strategic action consists of two >basic elements: conceiving of a vision of the future; and devising a series >of steps aimed at getting there. Without a vision of the future, political >action is aimless and very unlikely to be successful. It certainly is not >strategic in any meaningful sense of the word. > Unfortunately, the American left has by and large ignored this >question. The vast majority of us have little sense of where we want to go >or of the future we would like to bring into being. At least, we do not >devote much discussion to it and we certainly do not make the effort to >think systematically about what it would take to make it a reality. >Instead, the greater part of our political activity, by far, is devoted to >reaction, to opposing or trying to limit the worst effects of things we do >not want, rather than to working proactively to construct an alternative >reality. Our political orientation is heavily geared toward the short term, >with our highest goal set on winning the next election. More often than >not, we find ourselves in a defensive holding action, and we devote little >thought to the long-term implications of our actions. >We also make very little effort to influence the program of the political >organizations and elected officials who presumably represent us. Indeed, we >demonstrate an extraordinary willingness to demand, and accept, very little >from them, and we tolerate a political dialogue that is superficial and >even repressive. Again, there was perhaps no better example of this than >the treatment of Nader in the 2000 election. Instead of welcoming a >candidate who offered an unusually elaborate and straightforward program >for change, even if only because of the effect that discussion of that >program could have on our national political debate, far too many of us >were willing to stand by and let the focus be trained entirely on his >supposed role as a �spoiler.� His program, meanwhile, was systematically >ignored, if not suppressed. >To some degree, the defensive posture of American progressives is very >understandable, particularly since we inhabit an environment in which our >enemies are strong and determined to implement very undesirable >initiatives. The irony, however, is that by focusing so much attention on >containing our enemies, rather than on conceptualizing and working toward >the construction of a better society, we can end up hastening the >realization of the very things we oppose. This is because we are more >likely to find ourselves losing sight of and compromising our positive >goals and thus allowing for the kind of scenario described above, in which >the Democratic Party can pull us ever more rightward, because the >Republicans, themselves aided by the Democrats, are always a little worse. >We can therefore easily find ourselves in a vicious, downward spiral in >which our actions serve only to reinforce a continual worsening of >conditions. >None of this is to say that we should refrain from being negative, in the >sense of engaging in a critique of contemporary society. Our vision of a >positive alternative reality is very much contained in our critique of >things as they are, since the nature and depth of that critique will point >to what it is that we seek to change and how much of a change we seek to >achieve. One vision of the future, based for example on the critique >advanced in the first section of this article, might be characterized as >social democratic or perhaps democratic socialist. This would involve >constructing a society in which inequalities of wealth and income are >limited, poverty is all but nonexistent, health care is universal, taxation >is progressive, racial minorities, women, and gays are full members of >society, unions are powerful and democratic, the death penalty is >abolished, the prison population is vastly outnumbered by the university >student population, foreign policy is humanitarian and democratic, the >defense budget is geared toward defense and thus radically reduced, the >environment is strongly protected, the media permit an open and wide >ranging political debate, political campaigns are publicly financed, and >the party system provides a wide range of political options, including some >that represent the least privileged members of society. >Of course, many may not feel comfortable with this kind of social >democratic or democratic socialist vision and would prefer a future that is >not such a departure from our present circumstances. Some may wish to work >for only one or two of these objectives and may be very willing to >sacrifice the remainder in order to accomplish them. These differences may >tell us as much about who we are as anything else. Some of us clearly >benefit a great deal from our current conditions and thus are less >interested in seeing such changes realized. But even among those who do not >define our interests so narrowly, there will be major differences. Indeed, >the democratization of society will unavoidably require the construction of >a diverse coalition of interests, many of which may not easily join forces >with each other, but which can nevertheless find enough common ground to >advance a mutually beneficial program of change. On the other hand, our >failure to embrace a program of change may have nothing to do with our >interests, and instead reflect the nature of our expectations. In other >words, some of us may have simply given up on the possibility of change and >do not consider the above vision of the future as a feasible or realistic >one, however desirable it may be. But whatever our particular response to >this question, the fact remains that unless and until we address it, there >is little or no chance that we will move forward, wherever or however far >we end up deciding we want to go. With that in mind, we turn now to the >fourth and final question. >How Do We Get There? >This may be the most difficult question of all, since it is a lot easier to >engage in a critique of contemporary society, or elaborate a vision of a >future society, than it is to come up with a viable strategy for moving >forward. It is also likely the question on which we have reflected with the >least care. This was clearly illustrated in the 2000 election, and in >particular in the analysis offered by the backers of Gore. To review, that >analysis consisted of the claim that the only real option was to vote for >Gore, given that Nader was not going to win and that Gore, however >undesirable, was preferable to Bush. The mantra of the Gore campaign was >therefore �a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush� and anyone who did not >understand this was labeled as strategically unsophisticated, >irresponsible, and even destructive. While voting for Gore was touted as an >eminently strategic act, voting for Nader was seen at best as a symbolic >action, or a protest vote, certainly not one informed by a strategic >understanding of the stakes involved. However, just as the Gore supporters >never reflected on where we are, how we got here, or where we want to go, >they never carefully examined this claim to strategic insight. Their >critique of Nader supporters, it turns out, would have been more >appropriately applied to themselves. >In the first place, the focus of the pro-Gore option was entirely >short-term in character. It was at best a defensive maneuver with no real >end game yet another holding action designed to prevent a Republican from >assuming office and totally devoid of any proposal for what to do the day >after the election. At virtually no point did anyone consider, much less >explain, how voting for Gore fit into a long-term strategy of bringing >about progressive change. In reality, there were basically only three >reasons for voting for Gore, only two of which made any real sense. One >reason is that you benefit from the existing inequalities in US society and >understand that voting for Gore would help to preserve, if not increase, >those inequalities. This group actually behaved in a very strategically >rational manner and, of course, was well represented among those who >contributed so generously to Gore�s campaign. A second reason is that while >you dislike what Gore and the Democrats have come to represent, you have >largely given up hope that there will ever be any better option. This too >is rational, though it is very cynical and can hardly be called strategic. >The final reason is that while you dislike Gore and the Democrats, you >believe (or hold out hope) that voting for Gore is somehow consistent with >getting something better than Gore. This reason is also not strategic and >the rationality behind it is dubious at best. >This last group of voters in particular made very little effort to examine >the long-term implications of their actions. If they had, they might have >realized what was the very best-case scenario of the vote-for-Gore option: >a Gore victory in 2000; his reelection in 2004 (because the same logic of >preventing a Republican victory would have prevailed and the best candidate >for that is an incumbent President); a victory by Lieberman in 2008 (as the >heir apparent); and Lieberman�s reelection in 2012. It bears repeating that >this would have been the very best-case scenario, a quarter century of >Clinton, Gore, and Lieberman. Not only would this have been unlikely; had >it occurred, it would also have dealt a severe blow to the chances of >constructing a progressive future. That is, unless it finally provided >indisputable evidence to enough Democratic Party loyalists that a third >party alternative was now necessary. This, however, is a �things have to >get worse before they get better� scenario that is neither promising nor >desirable. > A closely related failure was the Gore backers� basic >misunderstanding of the difference between long-term and short-term costs. >They aggressively reprimanded Nader supporters for supposedly ignoring the >costs of their actions, particularly the costs borne by the weakest members >of society who would pay most dearly for a Bush victory. This argument has >a powerful emotional appeal, as it touches upon what should be at the very >center of our political decision-making the effects that our actions have >on the weakest among us. No one backing Nader should have taken this >argument lightly. Yet, it artificially absolves the Gore backers of their >own responsibility by failing to consider the long-term costs of their >actions. If we are really concerned about people who are suffering and want >to be certain that our decisions do the least harm to them, we cannot focus >only on the short-term. We also have to consider the harm that will be done >to them in the long term. We must ask ourselves whether the actions >designed to minimize short-term costs produce far greater costs in the >long-term by foregoing the possibility of future change. In other words, >will those actions reduce the likelihood that the weakest among us will >become full members of society and realize their life chances? These >questions (which are more relevant than ever in light of the recent >evolution of the Democratic Party), were virtually never raised, much less >addressed, by the supporters of Al Gore. > It deserves noting that no significant social change was ever >accomplished anywhere by focusing exclusively on short-term costs. Indeed, >it is no exaggeration to state that in every case of significant social, >political, and economic progress in the history of human existence, the >protagonists of change have had to reject the argument that they should be >careful and not rock the boat, because the balance of forces is against >them, things are unlikely to get better, and they can easily get worse. >That reality has not changed. The truth is that, much like the periods >preceding significant social change in the past, we are engulfed in an >increasingly severe vicious circle (or downward spiral). By definition, >breaking free of any vicious circle has significant short-term costs, but >the longer the decision to break free is put off, the more costly (and >hence unlikely) it becomes. Those who seek to democratize society must >confront this basic strategic dilemma head on. Their fear that a rupture >with the status quo may be too costly is very understandable, but they must >also understand that by exercising excessive prudence, they will contribute >to the perpetuation of current conditions and preclude the possibility of >future change. What it comes down to, then, is the kind of self-fulfilling >prophecy we choose to be a part of one that maintains conditions as they >are, or one that builds toward an alternative future. > Yet another strategic weakness exhibited by the Gore backers was >their fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to prevail in politics. >At an abstract level, the answer of course is power, the capacity to force >others to act in a way that they would not otherwise. But what does this >mean practically? In electoral politics, it means being willing to deny >support to parties and candidates, even at the risk of causing them to lose >and helping to elect something or someone worse. The Senate Democrats� role >in the recent confirmation of Bush�s cabinet appointments illustrates the >point. Presented with some of the most reactionary appointments in recent >memory, the Democrats made little or no effort to oppose them. In fact, >most were confirmed unanimously. Disturbed by this weak response, some >Democratic loyalists reacted in anger. For example, Patricia Ireland, the >president of NOW, declared: �There is a fairly angry and experienced crowd >of activists who can be mobilized to bring a lot of public pressure, >mainly, in my view, on the Democrats to keep the Democrats from folding >into the center-right agenda.� In a similar vein, Julian Bond, the >president of the NAACP, stated: �Democrats need to know that their votes >are monitored just as the Republicans� votes are monitored.� But these >statements beg some very fundamental questions. How does one keep the >Democrats from folding into the center-right? What is the point of >monitoring votes if one lacks the capacity to sanction those votes? What >form would those sanctions take? Are these credible threats then? In truth, >the only way to ensure that the Democrats do the right thing is to put the >fear of losing in them. But like so many others, both Ireland and Bond have >made it so clear that they prefer anything to the Republicans that they >have no real leverage on the Democrats. The only way to gain leverage would >be to make their support conditional, which means being willing to cause >them to lose their seats, and neither is willing to do that. > At least Ireland and Bond recognize the Democrats� culpability. >Far more of those who backed Gore have reacted to the Bush appointments by >claiming that they provide clear proof that voting for Gore was the correct >thing to do. But the logic underpinning this argument is very cynical. It >rests fundamentally on the claim that we have no choice but to vote the >Democrats into the White House because we cannot trust them to use the >power at their disposal to do the right thing in the Congress. It thus >comes down to a form of blackmail: �If you don�t vote for our candidate, >we�ll stand aside and unleash a right-winger on the country.� This is why >the frequent invocation of Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas during >the election rang so hollow. Somehow overlooked was the fact that the >Democrats stood by and let those appointments go through when they had the >power to block them. None of this, of course, is particularly novel. It is >simply a continuation of a pattern that has been gaining momentum for >several decades. > So much for the strategic shortcomings of the Gore backers. What >about the Nader/Green option? Did it really represent a promising >alternative, one that could serve as the basis for a new progressive >political movement? In many respects, it did, and perhaps still does. In >the first place, Nader was unmistakably the most progressive presidential >candidate to come along in at least a half century, if not longer. He >offered a program that not only addressed many of the country�s deepest >problems, but offered concrete proposals for dealing with them. He was thus >the first candidate in decades to advance a clear vision of the future that >progressives could enthusiastically embrace. He also demonstrated a solid >grasp of what it takes to get there, including an understanding of how >power functions and is distributed in this society, the differences between >short- and long-term costs, and the crucial role of social mobilization. >Indeed, in this last regard, he has strong links to the social forces that >emerged in the Seattle demonstrations in November 1999, probably the most >significant instance of mass social mobilization to materialize in decades. >Moreover, although he has never been elected to political office, he has >long experience in working with Congress and has an impressive list of >legislative accomplishments, certainly far more impressive than almost any >member of Congress. > All of this suggests that if one were to opt for a third party >candidate, this was going to be the time. If progressives remained hesitant >in the face of this unique historical opportunity, and were even willing to >actively undermine it by voting for Gore, it therefore likely meant that >they are fundamentally pessimistic about the prospects for a viable third >party emerging. But shouldn�t they be? Isn�t the history of third party >efforts in the U.S. pretty terrible? And isn�t this primarily because our >electoral system is simply inhospitable to third parties? Moreover, doesn�t >it make more sense to work at the local level, and establish a third party >presence there, before launching a campaign at the presidential level where >the stakes are so high? In any case, isn�t the Green Party badly organized >and therefore not a particularly promising vehicle? And haven�t Nader and >the Greens failed to reach out to African Americans and other people of >color, a crucial constituency in any progressive movement? For all of these >reasons, would it not therefore make more sense to try to work through the >Democratic Party? > The truth is that the history of third party efforts in the U.S. >is terrible and it does have a great deal to do with the nature of our >electoral system. But this is not a reason to abandon all future efforts. >Indeed, the immutable status we give to our electoral system is actually >quite mind-boggling. Somehow, many of us are capable of condemning the most >deep-seated socio-economic problems, but when it comes to a destructive >institutional feature of our political system, we accept it as permanent, >almost as though it were part of the natural order of things. This attitude >is all the more astounding given the enormous benefits electoral reforms >such as proportional representation or even instant run-off voting would >instantly produce (e.g., a widening of our political options, greatly >expanded participation, and the elimination of the �spoiler� effect) and >the very fertile terrain for electoral reform created by the Florida >debacle. Ironically, it is even possible to take advantage of the current >electoral system to advance such reforms. In fact, the two states where IRV >is being seriously considered are precisely those states where a strong >third party has created a spoiler effect: New Mexico and Alaska. In both >cases, it is the party that has been transformed from a winner into a loser >(the Democrats in New Mexico and the Republicans in Alaska) that is most >interested in reform here we see how �losing� can be a positive force for >change. There is no reason, moreover, why this cannot also be accomplished >at the national level, since the logic behind it is unaffected by scale. > Any effort to establish a third party should also involve a great >deal of work at the local level. However, this does not preclude launching >a national, presidential campaign. Rather than being mutually exclusive >strategies, they can be mutually reinforcing. A good example of this is >Madison, Wisconsin, where an already strong local party, Progressive Dane, >made a strategic decision to get involved in the Nader campaign precisely >because of the benefits it would have for building their organization. And >as a result, they have experienced a surge of hundreds of new, very >actively engaged members. One reason this makes sense is the de-politicized >nature of our political culture. Unfortunately, most Americans, to the >degree we are at all interested in politics, focus on the national level. >In other words, only a national, presidential campaign has the capacity of >politicizing people rapidly. It is highly unlikely, for example, that the >tens of thousands of enthusiastic people who paid $10 each to attend >Nader�s �super rallies� would have been similarly inspired and energized in >the absence of the Nader campaign. Thus, rather than slowly building a >local presence all across the country before launching a national campaign, >it makes more sense to jump-start the whole process by advancing both >efforts simultaneously. > The Green Party is also not particularly well organized or >experienced, and in fact, suffers from some not insignificant divisions. >But this is also not a sufficient reason to write it off. Arguing that we >cannot opt for a third party until such a party is strong, well organized, >and experienced is to create a catch-22. If our involvement is essential to >building such a party, waiting until it emerges before we lend it our >support is to ensure its demise. In any case, there is no reason to stake >our hopes on the Green Party as the only possible third party alternative. >It is simply a vehicle, and a rather open one at that. The same is true of >Nader. In fact, we should be very wary of attaching our political agenda >too closely to any individual. But no matter where we begin, we will have >to confront the reality that organizations are weak in their infancy. In >order to attain the strength of adulthood, they require substantial >nurturing, not a wait-and-see attitude. > Nader and the Greens also did a very poor job of reaching out to >people of color, probably the greatest weakness of their campaign. In fact, >it was not until very late in the game that Nader began to address their >concerns explicitly. And not surprisingly, he did poorly among minority >voters. Yet, there is no significant reason why this cannot change. Despite >Nader�s limited efforts in this regard, he focused far more directly on >issues of concern to minority voters than Gore did, including support for >affirmative action, an end to racial profiling, an end to the war on drugs, >abolition of the death penalty, closing the racial wealth gap, and even >reparations for slavery. Much of his poor showing among those voters thus >had as much to do with the suppression of his message as the failure to >deliver it more effectively. Moreover, unlike the Democratic Party, in >which there are major structural obstacles to advancing a program that >addresses the needs of people of color, there are no such obstacles in the >Green Party. > But despite all this, shouldn�t Nader have sought to advance his >progressive agenda through the Democratic Party instead, given that it is >organizationally more developed and still has the most significant >progressive following of any political party? A number of people have in >fact advanced this argument, including Representative Barney Frank of >Massachusetts. Invariably, they point to Jesse Jackson as the best model of >what can be accomplished. This is a curious choice of models, however, >since Jackson�s experience is a far better example of the limitations of >the Democratic Party. As noted above, Jackson�s rainbow coalition set off >alarm bells in the party and the current political leadership went to great >lengths to ensure that it was defeated. Recent developments, moreover, >suggest that the chances of such an effort succeeding are more limited than >ever (e.g., the naming of super fundraiser Terry McAuliffe as the new >chairman of the Democratic National Committee and the DLC�s insistence that >a main reason for Gore�s defeat was his excessively populist campaign). >None of this rules out the possibility of progressives taking control of >the party. That possibility, however, is extremely small and it would >require somehow surmounting the overwhelming and growing power that moneyed >interests have in the party. It would also require a radical change in >strategy on the part of progressive Democrats. Ironically, perhaps the one >factor that could significantly strengthen their leverage vis-�-vis their >internal party rivals is the emergence of a strong third political party. > > >Notes > > John Nichols, �The Great Debate. Nader Has Inspired Bitter Debates on the >Left. Isn�t it Terrific?,� In These Times, November 13, 2000. > Quoted in Alexander Cockburn and Jeffery St. Clair, Al Gore: A User�s >Manual (London: Verso, 2000). > On media coverage of the Nader campaign, see Ralph Nader, �My Untold >Story,� Brill�s Content, February 2001, and Robert McChesney, et al., �The >Nader Campaign and the Future of U.S. Left Electoral Politics,� Monthly >Review, Vol. 52, No. 9, February 2001. > See for example the extraordinary letter by Representative John Conyers >to The Nation (November 20, 2000). > Aside from the large-scale disenfranchisement of African American voters, >a big part of the reason Gore lost the all-important state of Florida was >the vast number of Democrats and self-described liberals who voted for >Bush. In fact, while 24,000 Democrats voted for Nader, more than twelve >times as many (308,000) voted for Bush, and among self-described liberals, >the ratio was 191,000 to 34,000 (or nearly 6 to 1). Bush also beat Gore >among white women (53% to 44%) and voters 65 and older (51% to 47%) (see >Jim Hightower, �How Florida Democrats Torpedoed Gore,� in Salon.com, >November 27, 2000). Similar trends prevailed nationwide (see the CNN exit >poll at www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html). In fact, according >to a Voter News Service exit poll, only 47% of the Nader voters would have >voted for Gore in a two-way race, while 21% would have voted for Bush and >30% would not have voted at all. > William Greider, �Nader and the Politics of Fear,� The Nation, March 12, >2001. > Ibid. > Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers, Right Turn: The Decline of the Democrats >and the Future of American Politics (New York: Hill and Wang, 1986). > Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority: Why the White >Working Class Still Matters (New York: Basic Books, 2000). > Carter won only 48% of the union vote and only 44% of the working class >vote. Deepening a process that had gained momentum throughout the decade, >there was also a dramatic decrease in voter turnout among lower-class >groups. Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t >Vote and Why Politicians Want it That Way (Boston: Beacon Press, 2000), >pp.116, 121-125. > Piven and Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t Vote, p.150. > Ferguson and Rogers, Right Turn, p.202. > Teixera and Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority. > Jesse Jackson Jr., �George Bush�s Democrats,� The Nation, January 22, >2001. > Ruth Conniff, �Cancel the Honeymoon,� The Progressive, February 2001. > Ibid. > This may also explain why no one reacted when Joseph Lieberman declared >on national television a week before the election that he would have voted >to confirm Robert Bork if he had been a Senator at the time. Houston >Chronicle, October 30, 2000. > �Ruth Conniff referees a match between Barney Frank and Ralph Nader,� The >Progressive, November 2000. > Recently, Robert Reich has become so disillusioned as to conclude that >the Democratic Party is dead. See �The Democrats Aren�t �Just Resting�,� >Washington Post, March 11, 2001. > > > > > > >Ben Manski > Green Party of the United States > Steering Committee > manski@... > http://www.gp-us.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >From: "JOSEPH MOSLEY" <joemosley1@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong Defense of >Nader/LaDuke 2000 >Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:29:32 -0400 > > > > > >From: Ben Manski <manski@...> > >Reply-To: GreenMovement@yahoogroups.com > >To: greenmovement@yahoogroups.com, greens@yahoogroups.com, > >usgp-COO@... > >Subject: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong Defense of Nader/LaDuke 2000 > >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:47:12 -0500 > > > > > >�Strategic Lessons of the 2000 Presidential Election: > >A Pro-Nader Perspective� > > > >Constellations, Volume 8, Number 3, September 2001, pp.348-363. > > > >Patrick S. Barrett > >Administrative Director > >A. E. Havens Center for the Study of Social Structure and Social Change > >University of Wisconsin-Madison > >Introduction > > > >The recent presidential election was a historically significant one for a > >number of reasons. Perhaps the most obvious was the controversial manner >in > >which George W. Bush assumed office. Another reason, however, was the > >division and rancor the election produced among supporters of Al Gore and > >Ralph Nader. More than its effect on the outcome of the election itself, > >the deeper significance of the Gore-Nader controversy was the debate over > >political strategy that it generated on the left. It has been a long time > >since the left has engaged in such a debate, and its occurrence should > >therefore be seen as a positive development. At the same time, the fact > >that U.S. progressives are largely unaccustomed to thinking strategically > >may help to explain why the debate has been conducted at such a low level > >of sophistication and with such little forthrightness, especially on the > >part of those who backed Gore and the Democrats. Indeed, it is ironic >that > >the most common criticism of Nader supporters made by the backers of Gore > >namely, that the former are strategically shortsighted, irresponsible, >and > >even destructive may be much more accurately applied to themselves. > >What follows, then, is primarily intended as a critique of the pro-Gore > >position. But it is also intended as a defense of the pro-Nader position, > >which contains some of the essential elements of a long-term strategy for > >bringing about real progressive change, even if not ultimately embodied >in > >Nader or the Greens. Both of these objectives can be accomplished by > >addressing four fundamental and interrelated questions: (1) Where are >we?; > >(2) How did we get here?; (3) Where do we want to go?; and (4) How do we > >get there? Together, these four questions are indispensable to any effort > >aimed at devising a long-term strategy for progressive change. All four > >questions, moreover, were nearly universally neglected, if not actively > >avoided, by the backers of Gore and the Democrats. > >Where Are We? > >Beginning with this question is crucial, for if we do not engage in an > >accurate assessment of our current circumstances, we have little chance >of > >moving forward, much less getting very far. Thus, before we determine >where > >we want to go, or the steps we need to take to get there, we need to > >understand our point of departure. Clearly, there is insufficient space > >here for more than a very cursory response to this question. The first >and > >most obvious observation, then, is that ours is an extremely inequitable > >society. Indeed, among all the advanced economies of the world, the U.S. > >has the most unequal distribution of wealth and income, the least >economic > >mobility, the longest hours logged by its workers, one of the highest >rates > >of poverty, one of the most regressive tax structures, and the least > >developed welfare state. Our society is also characterized by severe >racial > >inequality, as African Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities > >suffer the disproportionate effect of these disparities. Moreover, the > >degree of inequality has worsened dramatically over the last 25-30 years. > > With 25% of the world�s prisoners (a disproportionate and rising > >number of whom are people of color), the U.S. can also boast the highest > >level of incarceration in the world. It is also one of the few nations >that > >still employ the death penalty, which is applied in a highly >discriminatory > >manner. In addition, our industrial relations system is heavily skewed in > >favor of employers and, not surprisingly, we have one of the weakest >labor > >movements. In few developed countries, moreover, are the rights of women > >more limited and precarious. We also consume an inordinate proportion of > >the world�s natural resources, in the process destroying our natural > >environment at an increasingly alarming rate. Not content to confine the > >ill effects of these practices to our own citizens, we seek to impose >them > >on the rest of the world via a foreign policy whose overriding concern is > >the expansion of U.S. military might and corporate interests. > > Our political system only serves to reinforce these outcomes. >Our > >winner-take-all electoral system limits our political options to two > >political parties, which, although not identical, are strikingly similar > >and have grown increasingly so over the years. In few other developed > >countries are the political rules of the game so skewed and the resulting > >set of political options so limited. The two main political parties, > >moreover, have come to serve an increasingly narrow and privileged >segment > >of the population, made possible in part by the rising corporate >domination > >of our system of campaign finance and our legislative process. At the >same > >time, the growing corporate domination and concentration of our mass >media > >has had the effect of severely constricting our national political >debate. > >It should therefore come as no surprise that approximately half of the > >voting age population does not vote in presidential elections, and that > >those who do are disproportionately white and privileged. In fact, over >the > >last forty years, voter turnout in the U.S. has been falling steadily, > >especially among the least privileged. > > In the face of such a reality, it would seem that the only > >appropriate response is outrage. In this regard, the Nader campaign > >performed a service that has been long overdue. It relentlessly drew > >attention to the fundamental problems confronting the country and >demanded > >that they be addressed. The Democrats, by contrast, steadfastly avoided > >discussion of these problems and their own role in causing them. So too >did > >many of their supporters on the left. Indeed, rather than a > >�lesser-of-two-evils� approach to the election, what many progressives > >engaged in can more accurately be described as one of �see no evil, hear >no > >evil, speak no evil.� In reality, the Democrats, especially under the > >Clinton-Gore administration, have veered significantly to the right, > >adopting core Republican positions as their own and in some cases going > >further with them than the Republicans had been able to do themselves. >The > >most notorious example of this is the 1996 welfare reform bill, which > >gutted one of the central accomplishments of the New Deal. > >But there are many others, including a hard-line approach to crime and >drug > >abuse that has led to a doubling of the prison population in the last >eight > >years, an enthusiastic embrace of the death penalty despite the > >overwhelming evidence that it kills innocent people and is racially > >discriminatory, an obsession with balanced budgets that has depended upon > >cuts in social spending, a foreign policy that was as militaristic and > >anti-humanitarian as that of its Republican predecessors while even more > >devoted to advancing the economic interests of Wall Street and corporate > >America, and an environmental record that was so bad as to prompt David > >Brower to conclude that �Gore and Clinton have done more to harm the > >environment than Reagan and Bush combined.� Under Clinton and Gore, the > >Democrats also became far more adept at corporate fund-raising, > >significantly closing the gap with their Republican rivals. And not > >surprisingly, inequality continued to grow, despite the vaunted economic > >expansion of the 1990s. > >The list is longer, but this should have been enough to produce outrage >on > >the part of progressives. Such outrage, however, was in amazingly short > >supply. Nor was there much anger over the fact that there was a >systematic > >effort to silence the one candidate who was attempting to draw attention >to > >the administration�s abysmal record, Ralph Nader. Indeed, throughout most > >of the summer of 2000, Gore and his supporters worked hard to deny Nader >a > >national forum. They were aided in this effort by the national media, >which > >largely ignored him. To the degree that the media did cover his campaign, > >it was to portray him as a �spoiler,� never to report on the substance of > >his positions. In the early fall, with Gore trailing in the polls, the > >media and the Democrats did begin to pay more attention to Nader, but >only > >to vilify him as a destructive egotist and to insist that there was no > >alternative to �the Party.� Simultaneously, the distortion of the > >Democrats� and Gore�s record reached new heights. Gore was consistently > >portrayed as a champion of civil rights, labor rights, women�s rights, >the > >environment, and gay rights. Given Gore�s appalling record in all of >these > >areas, this was a particularly cynical effort. It was all the more >cynical > >given the Gore supporters� indignation over Nader�s supposed exaggeration > >of the similarities between Bush and Gore. In truth, Nader did >exaggerate, > >but not by much and certainly far less than the Gore supporters in >claiming > >a difference between the two candidates. > >In their lionizing of Gore, his supporters somehow forgot about his 84% > >pro-life voting record, his steadfast support for free trade, his close > >ties to tobacco and oil companies and weapons manufacturers, his efforts >to > >end affirmative action for federal contractors through his �reinventing > >government� program, his repeated betrayal of pledges to protect the > >environment, and his long history as a gay basher. Also forgotten was the > >fact that it was Gore who first race-baited Dukakis in the 1988 >Democratic > >primaries with the Willie Horton story and who made it a personal mission > >to undermine the Jackson campaign in the 1988 New York primary. There was > >also little reaction when Gore openly bragged about his support for the > >death penalty, his key role in pushing through the 1996 Welfare Reform > >Bill, his unbending support for sanctions on Iraq and military aid to > >Colombia, or his call for an increase in defense spending twice that > >proposed by Bush. Nor was there much reaction when he chose Joseph > >Lieberman (one of the most conservative and pro-business members of the > >Senate) as his running mate and former Commerce Secretary William Daley >(a > >leading figure in the administration�s effort to promote free trade) as >his > >campaign chair person. And there was a deafening silence when Lieberman > >declared to the Wall Street Journal that big business need not worry >about > >the semi-populist elements of Gore�s convention speech, since it was >simply > >rhetoric designed to win votes. > >The response of most Gore backers to the outcome of the election has been > >consistent with their attitude during the campaign, as they have heaped > >considerable abuse on Nader as one of the two culprits who denied Gore >his > >rightful victory, the other being Bush�s allies on the U.S. Supreme >Court. > >While there is strong evidence for the latter, the former claim is yet > >another example of denying reality. Unfortunately, in the hierarchy of > >reasons explaining Gore�s �defeat,� Nader ranks quite low. Far more > >significant was the fundamental weakness of the Gore campaign itself, >which > >was unable to win even Gore�s home state of Tennessee or Clinton�s home > >state of Arkansas. This weakness was perhaps in part a negative reaction >to > >Clinton�s personal behavior and the odd perception that Bush was the > >candidate with greater personal integrity. But it more likely reflected >the > >fact that there were so few discernible differences between the two main > >candidates on bread and butter economic issues, particularly to the white > >working class. Indeed, voter turnout was the third lowest in the last 75 > >years. To be sure, there was a slight increase over 1996 (from 49% to >51%), > >but the class composition of the turnout was if anything more skewed than > >ever in favor of the upper 20% of income earners. Moreover, one of the >main > >reasons for the increased turnout was Nader. In fact, in several states, >he > >helped to elect Democratic congressional candidates. > >While a few Democrats have acknowledged the positive role played by >Nader, > >most have treated him as a pariah. In striking contrast to their posture > >toward the new administration, which they have welcomed in a remarkably > >�bipartisan� manner, they have been determined to deny Nader any > >opportunity to weigh in on policy debates in which they are presumably on > >the same side. There are two basic motivations for this posture. One is >to > >deny their own culpability in their party�s defeat and the sorry state of > >the nation. And the other is to send a message to anyone who dares to >offer > >a progressive alternative to the Democrats that they will pay heavily. > >Ironically, Nader in this way performed yet another service by exposing >the > >Democratic Party for what it is. Indeed, if there were reason to be > >skeptical about the party�s democratic convictions prior to this >election, > >their analysis of the election outcome has provided further reason for > >doubt. > >How Did We Get Here? > >Thus, if we are serious about achieving progressive change, we have to > >engage in a more candid and critical assessment of our contemporary > >reality. But we also need to understand how we got here. For without an > >accurate assessment of what led us to our present circumstances, we are > >likely to continue down the same path, with the same or worse results. > >Clearly, many of the same factors are in play, as social, economic, and > >political inequalities have a way of perpetuating themselves. However, a > >major part of the explanation for what got us here once again lies with >the > >Democratic Party. In this respect, Nader again did a far better job of > >assessing reality than Gore. But Nader was actually too soft on the > >Democrats, repeatedly suggesting that they had departed from their > >progressive roots. The reality is that the Democratic Party never had >such > >roots and was never a champion of the rights of working people and racial > >minorities. > >During the twentieth century, there have been only two moments when the > >Democrats have presided over major progressive change: the New Deal of >FDR > >and the Great Society programs of Lyndon Johnson. Two conclusions can be > >drawn from these experiences. One is that only pressure from below has >ever > >moved the Democrats in a progressive direction. The second is that the > >lengths to which they can be moved are greatly limited by their ties to >big > >business interests. In both instances, the Democrats were forced to >accept > >change in response to massive popular mobilization. And in both cases, >for > >a variety of reasons, important segments of business were willing to > >tolerate some degree of progressive change. However, that willingness was > >both limited and short-lived. In fact, many of the more far-reaching > >initiatives, particularly under the New Deal, were never realized, while > >many of the accomplishments were quickly subjected to attack and, before > >long, reversal. In the case of the New Deal, the possibilities for change > >were also severely limited by the key role played by southern racists in > >the party. > >Particularly over the last 25-30 years, these two factors have changed in > >such a way as to cause the Democratic Party to move ever more rightward. > >The labor movement, which was the most important popular impetus behind >the > >New Deal, has grown steadily weaker since the mid-1950s and has assumed a > >largely conservative posture. Moreover, with the exception of the 1972 > >presidential election, it has given its support to the Democrats > >unconditionally. Meanwhile, African Americans, whose mass mobilization > >during the 1950s and 1960s was the driving force behind Johnson�s Great > >Society programs and triggered the departure of most of the party�s > >southern racist contingent, have since become a demobilized and captured > >constituency. As a result, the capacity of both groups to influence the > >direction of the Democratic Party has diminished significantly. > >Simultaneously, the party has grown increasingly dependent upon big > >business, which itself has grown less and less tolerant of even the most > >moderate proposals for change. This process became most evident in the > >early 1980s following the election of Ronald Reagan and the establishment > >of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in early 1985. Founded by a > >group of primarily southern conservative Democrats, the DLC set out to >move > >the Party to the right by strengthening its ties to business, while > >distancing it from labor, African Americans, and the poor. This effort >came > >to fruition in 1992 with the election of Clinton and Gore and was further > >consolidated with the nomination of Gore and Lieberman in 2000. > > The DLC�s main argument for pushing the party to the right is >that > >the country itself has moved rightward and that in order to win >elections, > >the party needs to respond to what the voters want. A corollary to this > >argument is that the Republicans have also moved to the right and that >the > >Democrats must do whatever it takes to keep them out of the White House, > >including following in their footsteps. But there is virtually no >substance > >to this argument. Survey data indicate that, if anything, the American > >electorate has become more, not less, �liberal� in its attitudes. In >fact, > >to the degree that Americans have come to oppose government activism, it > >has not been because they are hostile to government action to the > >contrary, they believe that the government should be actively involved in > >problem-solving but rather because they have become disillusioned with >the > >government�s capacity for problem-solving. Much of that disillusionment, > >moreover, can be attributed to the Democrats, who for decades have grown > >increasingly unwilling or unable to respond to the economic aspirations >of > >poor and working class voters and instead have responded to the demands >of > >the wealthy. > > Furthermore, rather than simply responding to the rightward >shift > >of the Republicans, the Democrats have at times initiated the move to the > >right. Indeed, it was the Carter administration that launched >Reaganomics, > >fully two years before Reagan came into office. And it is no surprise >that > >Carter lost to Reagan in 1980, with Carter offering such a dismal option >to > >the working class. Once Reagan was in office, the Democrats also went out > >of their way to accommodate his policy initiatives, giving him bigger tax > >cuts and increases in military spending than he had asked for, and much >of > >what he requested in social spending cuts. And rather than responding to > >the growing discontent among the poor, working class, and racial > >minorities, they instead engaged in a heightened competition with the > >Republicans for gaining the backing of business. > >The 1984 campaign of Walter Mondale was itself a revealing case study of > >the party�s increasing domination by business and its growing distance >from > >its popular electoral constituencies. Particularly striking was the > >campaign�s deliberate efforts to limit voter turnout among the poor and > >racial minorities, for fear that it would strengthen the candidacy of >Jesse > >Jackson. Even after winning the nomination, Mondale continued to oppose > >registration efforts despite a 250-page study written by his aides that > >concluded that �the only way Mondale can win is by pitching his appeal to > >the white working class and minorities.� The main problem, of course, was > >the effect such an appeal would have on the Party�s business backers. > >Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers described the situation well: > >As the Mondale campaign made clear, virtually no Democratic business >group > >has a stake in expanding the party�s mass base. To gain the support of > >millions and millions of poor nonvoters and marginally identifying blue- > >and white-collar workers, the Democrats would actually have to offer them > >something perhaps a progressive tax code, or full employment, or > >unionization with real power for the rank and file, or enhanced social > >programs. [But] the party�s dominant business elites are not prepared to >do > >this. > >Constrained by his business backers, Mondale thus offered nothing to >those > >voters who could have given the Democrats a victory. Instead, he offered > >only fiscal restraint and a promise to increase taxes. Coupled with one >of > >the largest political business cycles ever engineered, this was enough to > >produce a landslide victory for Reagan. In the wake of this defeat, party > >leaders saw it as an opportunity to push even harder for the strategy >that > >had produced it. Indeed, it was in early 1985 that the DLC was founded. > >Moreover, instead of rewarding Jesse Jackson with greater influence for >his > >loyalty to the party and the new voters he recruited, the white >Democratic > >establishment (in a preview of their treatment of Nader in 2000) >viciously > >scape-goated him for losing the election. In 1986, party nominating rules > >were also re-written in an effort to �moderate� the party�s image and > >advance a candidate that could appeal to conservative white voters. > >It was not until 1992, however, that the DLC succeeded in getting one of > >its own elected in the person of Bill Clinton. But Clinton�s victory >should > >not be seen as a vindication of the DLC�s conservative strategy. Clinton > >received fewer votes than Dukakis had in 1988 and would never have won if > >not for an economic recession and the presence of a strong third >candidate, > >Ross Perot, who received millions of votes from the very voting bloc that > >has abandoned the Democrats in droves over the last 25 years: low-income > >whites. Apparently oblivious to the real significance of the election, > >Clinton very quickly dedicated his administration to the service of > >business interests, thereby producing the fiasco of the 1994 >congressional > >elections, in which a rightwing Republican cabal took control of the > >Congress. Continuing the pattern established by his party since 1980, > >Clinton responded to this outcome by turning even more to the right. >Aided > >once again by the presence of Ross Perot, a less than stimulating > >Republican candidate in Bob Dole, and the fact that the Congressional > >Republicans that he had set out to imitate had become thoroughly > >discredited, Clinton was able to win reelection in 1996. Voter turnout, > >however, was the lowest since 1924. Given this history, it was not > >particularly surprising that the 2000 Democratic ticket consisted of Gore > >and Lieberman, two darlings of the DLC. It was also not surprising that > >Gore, despite benefiting from an unprecedented economic expansion, ran a > >very close and uninspired race against George W. Bush, arguably the least > >prepared presidential candidate during this century. And it came as no > >shock that the southerner Gore did abysmally in the south and that the > >Democratic leadership made no effort to challenge the disenfranchisement >of > >African American voters in Florida and instead worked to diffuse their > >protests. > >The Democrats, then, have played a major role in producing the >increasingly > >rightward shift of politics in the United States. By adopting Republican > >policy positions, they have legitimated those positions and enabled the > >Republicans to move ever farther to the right, with little fear of >becoming > >politically marginal. When in power, moreover, they more effectively > >realize Republican policies by paralyzing groups that are reluctant to > >oppose a Democratic President. And by alienating low-income voters, they > >pave the way for Republican victories. As Jesse Jackson Jr. recently put > >it, the move down this path has been �aided by Democrats. In 1992 a > >conservative Democrat, Bill Clinton, selected an even more conservative > >running mate, Al Gore, who in 2000 selected an even more conservative > >running mate, Joseph Lieberman. By helping to shift the Democratic Party > >and the country further right, a very conservative George W. Bush could > >select an ultraconservative Dick Cheney as his running mate and win.� > > > >Where Do We Want to Go? > >Now that we have a better sense of where we are and how we got here, the > >next task is to figure out where we want to go. How we answer this >question > >may be the most critical task of all, since it will dictate how we act. > >Indeed, in addressing this question, we are beginning to speak more > >directly about strategy. This is because strategic action consists of two > >basic elements: conceiving of a vision of the future; and devising a >series > >of steps aimed at getting there. Without a vision of the future, >political > >action is aimless and very unlikely to be successful. It certainly is not > >strategic in any meaningful sense of the word. > > Unfortunately, the American left has by and large ignored this > >question. The vast majority of us have little sense of where we want to >go > >or of the future we would like to bring into being. At least, we do not > >devote much discussion to it and we certainly do not make the effort to > >think systematically about what it would take to make it a reality. > >Instead, the greater part of our political activity, by far, is devoted >to > >reaction, to opposing or trying to limit the worst effects of things we >do > >not want, rather than to working proactively to construct an alternative > >reality. Our political orientation is heavily geared toward the short >term, > >with our highest goal set on winning the next election. More often than > >not, we find ourselves in a defensive holding action, and we devote >little > >thought to the long-term implications of our actions. > >We also make very little effort to influence the program of the political > >organizations and elected officials who presumably represent us. Indeed, >we > >demonstrate an extraordinary willingness to demand, and accept, very >little > >from them, and we tolerate a political dialogue that is superficial and > >even repressive. Again, there was perhaps no better example of this than > >the treatment of Nader in the 2000 election. Instead of welcoming a > >candidate who offered an unusually elaborate and straightforward program > >for change, even if only because of the effect that discussion of that > >program could have on our national political debate, far too many of us > >were willing to stand by and let the focus be trained entirely on his > >supposed role as a �spoiler.� His program, meanwhile, was systematically > >ignored, if not suppressed. > >To some degree, the defensive posture of American progressives is very > >understandable, particularly since we inhabit an environment in which our > >enemies are strong and determined to implement very undesirable > >initiatives. The irony, however, is that by focusing so much attention on > >containing our enemies, rather than on conceptualizing and working toward > >the construction of a better society, we can end up hastening the > >realization of the very things we oppose. This is because we are more > >likely to find ourselves losing sight of and compromising our positive > >goals and thus allowing for the kind of scenario described above, in >which > >the Democratic Party can pull us ever more rightward, because the > >Republicans, themselves aided by the Democrats, are always a little >worse. > >We can therefore easily find ourselves in a vicious, downward spiral in > >which our actions serve only to reinforce a continual worsening of > >conditions. > >None of this is to say that we should refrain from being negative, in the > >sense of engaging in a critique of contemporary society. Our vision of a > >positive alternative reality is very much contained in our critique of > >things as they are, since the nature and depth of that critique will >point > >to what it is that we seek to change and how much of a change we seek to > >achieve. One vision of the future, based for example on the critique > >advanced in the first section of this article, might be characterized as > >social democratic or perhaps democratic socialist. This would involve > >constructing a society in which inequalities of wealth and income are > >limited, poverty is all but nonexistent, health care is universal, >taxation > >is progressive, racial minorities, women, and gays are full members of > >society, unions are powerful and democratic, the death penalty is > >abolished, the prison population is vastly outnumbered by the university > >student population, foreign policy is humanitarian and democratic, the > >defense budget is geared toward defense and thus radically reduced, the > >environment is strongly protected, the media permit an open and wide > >ranging political debate, political campaigns are publicly financed, and > >the party system provides a wide range of political options, including >some > >that represent the least privileged members of society. > >Of course, many may not feel comfortable with this kind of social > >democratic or democratic socialist vision and would prefer a future that >is > >not such a departure from our present circumstances. Some may wish to >work > >for only one or two of these objectives and may be very willing to > >sacrifice the remainder in order to accomplish them. These differences >may > >tell us as much about who we are as anything else. Some of us clearly > >benefit a great deal from our current conditions and thus are less > >interested in seeing such changes realized. But even among those who do >not > >define our interests so narrowly, there will be major differences. >Indeed, > >the democratization of society will unavoidably require the construction >of > >a diverse coalition of interests, many of which may not easily join >forces > >with each other, but which can nevertheless find enough common ground to > >advance a mutually beneficial program of change. On the other hand, our > >failure to embrace a program of change may have nothing to do with our > >interests, and instead reflect the nature of our expectations. In other > >words, some of us may have simply given up on the possibility of change >and > >do not consider the above vision of the future as a feasible or realistic > >one, however desirable it may be. But whatever our particular response to > >this question, the fact remains that unless and until we address it, >there > >is little or no chance that we will move forward, wherever or however far > >we end up deciding we want to go. With that in mind, we turn now to the > >fourth and final question. > >How Do We Get There? > >This may be the most difficult question of all, since it is a lot easier >to > >engage in a critique of contemporary society, or elaborate a vision of a > >future society, than it is to come up with a viable strategy for moving > >forward. It is also likely the question on which we have reflected with >the > >least care. This was clearly illustrated in the 2000 election, and in > >particular in the analysis offered by the backers of Gore. To review, >that > >analysis consisted of the claim that the only real option was to vote for > >Gore, given that Nader was not going to win and that Gore, however > >undesirable, was preferable to Bush. The mantra of the Gore campaign was > >therefore �a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush� and anyone who did not > >understand this was labeled as strategically unsophisticated, > >irresponsible, and even destructive. While voting for Gore was touted as >an > >eminently strategic act, voting for Nader was seen at best as a symbolic > >action, or a protest vote, certainly not one informed by a strategic > >understanding of the stakes involved. However, just as the Gore >supporters > >never reflected on where we are, how we got here, or where we want to go, > >they never carefully examined this claim to strategic insight. Their > >critique of Nader supporters, it turns out, would have been more > >appropriately applied to themselves. > >In the first place, the focus of the pro-Gore option was entirely > >short-term in character. It was at best a defensive maneuver with no real > >end game yet another holding action designed to prevent a Republican >from > >assuming office and totally devoid of any proposal for what to do the day > >after the election. At virtually no point did anyone consider, much less > >explain, how voting for Gore fit into a long-term strategy of bringing > >about progressive change. In reality, there were basically only three > >reasons for voting for Gore, only two of which made any real sense. One > >reason is that you benefit from the existing inequalities in US society >and > >understand that voting for Gore would help to preserve, if not increase, > >those inequalities. This group actually behaved in a very strategically > >rational manner and, of course, was well represented among those who > >contributed so generously to Gore�s campaign. A second reason is that >while > >you dislike what Gore and the Democrats have come to represent, you have > >largely given up hope that there will ever be any better option. This too > >is rational, though it is very cynical and can hardly be called >strategic. > >The final reason is that while you dislike Gore and the Democrats, you > >believe (or hold out hope) that voting for Gore is somehow consistent >with > >getting something better than Gore. This reason is also not strategic and > >the rationality behind it is dubious at best. > >This last group of voters in particular made very little effort to >examine > >the long-term implications of their actions. If they had, they might have > >realized what was the very best-case scenario of the vote-for-Gore >option: > >a Gore victory in 2000; his reelection in 2004 (because the same logic of > >preventing a Republican victory would have prevailed and the best >candidate > >for that is an incumbent President); a victory by Lieberman in 2008 (as >the > >heir apparent); and Lieberman�s reelection in 2012. It bears repeating >that > >this would have been the very best-case scenario, a quarter century of > >Clinton, Gore, and Lieberman. Not only would this have been unlikely; had > >it occurred, it would also have dealt a severe blow to the chances of > >constructing a progressive future. That is, unless it finally provided > >indisputable evidence to enough Democratic Party loyalists that a third > >party alternative was now necessary. This, however, is a �things have to > >get worse before they get better� scenario that is neither promising nor > >desirable. > > A closely related failure was the Gore backers� basic > >misunderstanding of the difference between long-term and short-term >costs. > >They aggressively reprimanded Nader supporters for supposedly ignoring >the > >costs of their actions, particularly the costs borne by the weakest >members > >of society who would pay most dearly for a Bush victory. This argument >has > >a powerful emotional appeal, as it touches upon what should be at the >very > >center of our political decision-making the effects that our actions >have > >on the weakest among us. No one backing Nader should have taken this > >argument lightly. Yet, it artificially absolves the Gore backers of their > >own responsibility by failing to consider the long-term costs of their > >actions. If we are really concerned about people who are suffering and >want > >to be certain that our decisions do the least harm to them, we cannot >focus > >only on the short-term. We also have to consider the harm that will be >done > >to them in the long term. We must ask ourselves whether the actions > >designed to minimize short-term costs produce far greater costs in the > >long-term by foregoing the possibility of future change. In other words, > >will those actions reduce the likelihood that the weakest among us will > >become full members of society and realize their life chances? These > >questions (which are more relevant than ever in light of the recent > >evolution of the Democratic Party), were virtually never raised, much >less > >addressed, by the supporters of Al Gore. > > It deserves noting that no significant social change was ever > >accomplished anywhere by focusing exclusively on short-term costs. >Indeed, > >it is no exaggeration to state that in every case of significant social, > >political, and economic progress in the history of human existence, the > >protagonists of change have had to reject the argument that they should >be > >careful and not rock the boat, because the balance of forces is against > >them, things are unlikely to get better, and they can easily get worse. > >That reality has not changed. The truth is that, much like the periods > >preceding significant social change in the past, we are engulfed in an > >increasingly severe vicious circle (or downward spiral). By definition, > >breaking free of any vicious circle has significant short-term costs, but > >the longer the decision to break free is put off, the more costly (and > >hence unlikely) it becomes. Those who seek to democratize society must > >confront this basic strategic dilemma head on. Their fear that a rupture > >with the status quo may be too costly is very understandable, but they >must > >also understand that by exercising excessive prudence, they will >contribute > >to the perpetuation of current conditions and preclude the possibility of > >future change. What it comes down to, then, is the kind of >self-fulfilling > >prophecy we choose to be a part of one that maintains conditions as they > >are, or one that builds toward an alternative future. > > Yet another strategic weakness exhibited by the Gore backers was > >their fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to prevail in >politics. > >At an abstract level, the answer of course is power, the capacity to >force > >others to act in a way that they would not otherwise. But what does this > >mean practically? In electoral politics, it means being willing to deny > >support to parties and candidates, even at the risk of causing them to >lose > >and helping to elect something or someone worse. The Senate Democrats� >role > >in the recent confirmation of Bush�s cabinet appointments illustrates the > >point. Presented with some of the most reactionary appointments in recent > >memory, the Democrats made little or no effort to oppose them. In fact, > >most were confirmed unanimously. Disturbed by this weak response, some > >Democratic loyalists reacted in anger. For example, Patricia Ireland, the > >president of NOW, declared: �There is a fairly angry and experienced >crowd > >of activists who can be mobilized to bring a lot of public pressure, > >mainly, in my view, on the Democrats to keep the Democrats from folding > >into the center-right agenda.� In a similar vein, Julian Bond, the > >president of the NAACP, stated: �Democrats need to know that their votes > >are monitored just as the Republicans� votes are monitored.� But these > >statements beg some very fundamental questions. How does one keep the > >Democrats from folding into the center-right? What is the point of > >monitoring votes if one lacks the capacity to sanction those votes? What > >form would those sanctions take? Are these credible threats then? In >truth, > >the only way to ensure that the Democrats do the right thing is to put >the > >fear of losing in them. But like so many others, both Ireland and Bond >have > >made it so clear that they prefer anything to the Republicans that they > >have no real leverage on the Democrats. The only way to gain leverage >would > >be to make their support conditional, which means being willing to cause > >them to lose their seats, and neither is willing to do that. > > At least Ireland and Bond recognize the Democrats� culpability. > >Far more of those who backed Gore have reacted to the Bush appointments >by > >claiming that they provide clear proof that voting for Gore was the >correct > >thing to do. But the logic underpinning this argument is very cynical. It > >rests fundamentally on the claim that we have no choice but to vote the > >Democrats into the White House because we cannot trust them to use the > >power at their disposal to do the right thing in the Congress. It thus > >comes down to a form of blackmail: �If you don�t vote for our candidate, > >we�ll stand aside and unleash a right-winger on the country.� This is why > >the frequent invocation of Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas >during > >the election rang so hollow. Somehow overlooked was the fact that the > >Democrats stood by and let those appointments go through when they had >the > >power to block them. None of this, of course, is particularly novel. It >is > >simply a continuation of a pattern that has been gaining momentum for > >several decades. > > So much for the strategic shortcomings of the Gore backers. What > >about the Nader/Green option? Did it really represent a promising > >alternative, one that could serve as the basis for a new progressive > >political movement? In many respects, it did, and perhaps still does. In > >the first place, Nader was unmistakably the most progressive presidential > >candidate to come along in at least a half century, if not longer. He > >offered a program that not only addressed many of the country�s deepest > >problems, but offered concrete proposals for dealing with them. He was >thus > >the first candidate in decades to advance a clear vision of the future >that > >progressives could enthusiastically embrace. He also demonstrated a solid > >grasp of what it takes to get there, including an understanding of how > >power functions and is distributed in this society, the differences >between > >short- and long-term costs, and the crucial role of social mobilization. > >Indeed, in this last regard, he has strong links to the social forces >that > >emerged in the Seattle demonstrations in November 1999, probably the most > >significant instance of mass social mobilization to materialize in >decades. > >Moreover, although he has never been elected to political office, he has > >long experience in working with Congress and has an impressive list of > >legislative accomplishments, certainly far more impressive than almost >any > >member of Congress. > > All of this suggests that if one were to opt for a third party > >candidate, this was going to be the time. If progressives remained >hesitant > >in the face of this unique historical opportunity, and were even willing >to > >actively undermine it by voting for Gore, it therefore likely meant that > >they are fundamentally pessimistic about the prospects for a viable third > >party emerging. But shouldn�t they be? Isn�t the history of third party > >efforts in the U.S. pretty terrible? And isn�t this primarily because our > >electoral system is simply inhospitable to third parties? Moreover, >doesn�t > >it make more sense to work at the local level, and establish a third >party > >presence there, before launching a campaign at the presidential level >where > >the stakes are so high? In any case, isn�t the Green Party badly >organized > >and therefore not a particularly promising vehicle? And haven�t Nader and > >the Greens failed to reach out to African Americans and other people of > >color, a crucial constituency in any progressive movement? For all of >these > >reasons, would it not therefore make more sense to try to work through >the > >Democratic Party? > > The truth is that the history of third party efforts in the U.S. > >is terrible and it does have a great deal to do with the nature of our > >electoral system. But this is not a reason to abandon all future efforts. > >Indeed, the immutable status we give to our electoral system is actually > >quite mind-boggling. Somehow, many of us are capable of condemning the >most > >deep-seated socio-economic problems, but when it comes to a destructive > >institutional feature of our political system, we accept it as permanent, > >almost as though it were part of the natural order of things. This >attitude > >is all the more astounding given the enormous benefits electoral reforms > >such as proportional representation or even instant run-off voting would > >instantly produce (e.g., a widening of our political options, greatly > >expanded participation, and the elimination of the �spoiler� effect) and > >the very fertile terrain for electoral reform created by the Florida > >debacle. Ironically, it is even possible to take advantage of the current > >electoral system to advance such reforms. In fact, the two states where >IRV > >is being seriously considered are precisely those states where a strong > >third party has created a spoiler effect: New Mexico and Alaska. In both > >cases, it is the party that has been transformed from a winner into a >loser > >(the Democrats in New Mexico and the Republicans in Alaska) that is most > >interested in reform here we see how �losing� can be a positive force >for > >change. There is no reason, moreover, why this cannot also be >accomplished > >at the national level, since the logic behind it is unaffected by scale. > > Any effort to establish a third party should also involve a >great > >deal of work at the local level. However, this does not preclude >launching > >a national, presidential campaign. Rather than being mutually exclusive > >strategies, they can be mutually reinforcing. A good example of this is > >Madison, Wisconsin, where an already strong local party, Progressive >Dane, > >made a strategic decision to get involved in the Nader campaign precisely > >because of the benefits it would have for building their organization. >And > >as a result, they have experienced a surge of hundreds of new, very > >actively engaged members. One reason this makes sense is the >de-politicized > >nature of our political culture. Unfortunately, most Americans, to the > >degree we are at all interested in politics, focus on the national level. > >In other words, only a national, presidential campaign has the capacity >of > >politicizing people rapidly. It is highly unlikely, for example, that the > >tens of thousands of enthusiastic people who paid $10 each to attend > >Nader�s �super rallies� would have been similarly inspired and energized >in > >the absence of the Nader campaign. Thus, rather than slowly building a > >local presence all across the country before launching a national >campaign, > >it makes more sense to jump-start the whole process by advancing both > >efforts simultaneously. > > The Green Party is also not particularly well organized or > >experienced, and in fact, suffers from some not insignificant divisions. > >But this is also not a sufficient reason to write it off. Arguing that we > >cannot opt for a third party until such a party is strong, well >organized, > >and experienced is to create a catch-22. If our involvement is essential >to > >building such a party, waiting until it emerges before we lend it our > >support is to ensure its demise. In any case, there is no reason to stake > >our hopes on the Green Party as the only possible third party >alternative. > >It is simply a vehicle, and a rather open one at that. The same is true >of > >Nader. In fact, we should be very wary of attaching our political agenda > >too closely to any individual. But no matter where we begin, we will have > >to confront the reality that organizations are weak in their infancy. In > >order to attain the strength of adulthood, they require substantial > >nurturing, not a wait-and-see attitude. > > Nader and the Greens also did a very poor job of reaching out to > >people of color, probably the greatest weakness of their campaign. In >fact, > >it was not until very late in the game that Nader began to address their > >concerns explicitly. And not surprisingly, he did poorly among minority > >voters. Yet, there is no significant reason why this cannot change. >Despite > >Nader�s limited efforts in this regard, he focused far more directly on > >issues of concern to minority voters than Gore did, including support for > >affirmative action, an end to racial profiling, an end to the war on >drugs, > >abolition of the death penalty, closing the racial wealth gap, and even > >reparations for slavery. Much of his poor showing among those voters thus > >had as much to do with the suppression of his message as the failure to > >deliver it more effectively. Moreover, unlike the Democratic Party, in > >which there are major structural obstacles to advancing a program that > >addresses the needs of people of color, there are no such obstacles in >the > >Green Party. > > But despite all this, shouldn�t Nader have sought to advance his > >progressive agenda through the Democratic Party instead, given that it is > >organizationally more developed and still has the most significant > >progressive following of any political party? A number of people have in > >fact advanced this argument, including Representative Barney Frank of > >Massachusetts. Invariably, they point to Jesse Jackson as the best model >of > >what can be accomplished. This is a curious choice of models, however, > >since Jackson�s experience is a far better example of the limitations of > >the Democratic Party. As noted above, Jackson�s rainbow coalition set off > >alarm bells in the party and the current political leadership went to >great > >lengths to ensure that it was defeated. Recent developments, moreover, > >suggest that the chances of such an effort succeeding are more limited >than > >ever (e.g., the naming of super fundraiser Terry McAuliffe as the new > >chairman of the Democratic National Committee and the DLC�s insistence >that > >a main reason for Gore�s defeat was his excessively populist campaign). > >None of this rules out the possibility of progressives taking control of > >the party. That possibility, however, is extremely small and it would > >require somehow surmounting the overwhelming and growing power that >moneyed > >interests have in the party. It would also require a radical change in > >strategy on the part of progressive Democrats. Ironically, perhaps the >one > >factor that could significantly strengthen their leverage vis-�-vis their > >internal party rivals is the emergence of a strong third political party. > > > > > >Notes > > > > John Nichols, �The Great Debate. Nader Has Inspired Bitter Debates on >the > >Left. Isn�t it Terrific?,� In These Times, November 13, 2000. > > Quoted in Alexander Cockburn and Jeffery St. Clair, Al Gore: A User�s > >Manual (London: Verso, 2000). > > On media coverage of the Nader campaign, see Ralph Nader, �My Untold > >Story,� Brill�s Content, February 2001, and Robert McChesney, et al., >�The > >Nader Campaign and the Future of U.S. Left Electoral Politics,� Monthly > >Review, Vol. 52, No. 9, February 2001. > > See for example the extraordinary letter by Representative John Conyers > >to The Nation (November 20, 2000). > > Aside from the large-scale disenfranchisement of African American >voters, > >a big part of the reason Gore lost the all-important state of Florida was > >the vast number of Democrats and self-described liberals who voted for > >Bush. In fact, while 24,000 Democrats voted for Nader, more than twelve > >times as many (308,000) voted for Bush, and among self-described >liberals, > >the ratio was 191,000 to 34,000 (or nearly 6 to 1). Bush also beat Gore > >among white women (53% to 44%) and voters 65 and older (51% to 47%) (see > >Jim Hightower, �How Florida Democrats Torpedoed Gore,� in Salon.com, > >November 27, 2000). Similar trends prevailed nationwide (see the CNN exit > >poll at www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html). In fact, >according > >to a Voter News Service exit poll, only 47% of the Nader voters would >have > >voted for Gore in a two-way race, while 21% would have voted for Bush and > >30% would not have voted at all. > > William Greider, �Nader and the Politics of Fear,� The Nation, March >12, > >2001. > > Ibid. > > Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers, Right Turn: The Decline of the >Democrats > >and the Future of American Politics (New York: Hill and Wang, 1986). > > Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority: Why the >White > >Working Class Still Matters (New York: Basic Books, 2000). > > Carter won only 48% of the union vote and only 44% of the working class > >vote. Deepening a process that had gained momentum throughout the decade, > >there was also a dramatic decrease in voter turnout among lower-class > >groups. Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t > >Vote and Why Politicians Want it That Way (Boston: Beacon Press, 2000), > >pp.116, 121-125. > > Piven and Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t Vote, p.150. > > Ferguson and Rogers, Right Turn, p.202. > > Teixera and Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority. > > Jesse Jackson Jr., �George Bush�s Democrats,� The Nation, January 22, > >2001. > > Ruth Conniff, �Cancel the Honeymoon,� The Progressive, February 2001. > > Ibid. > > This may also explain why no one reacted when Joseph Lieberman declared > >on national television a week before the election that he would have >voted > >to confirm Robert Bork if he had been a Senator at the time. Houston > >Chronicle, October 30, 2000. > > �Ruth Conniff referees a match between Barney Frank and Ralph Nader,� >The > >Progressive, November 2000. > > Recently, Robert Reich has become so disillusioned as to conclude that > >the Democratic Party is dead. See �The Democrats Aren�t �Just Resting�,� > >Washington Post, March 11, 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ben Manski > > Green Party of the United States > > Steering Committee > > manski@... > > http://www.gp-us.org/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >From: "JOSEPH MOSLEY" <joemosley1@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong >Defense of Nader/LaDuke 2000 >Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:29:32 -0400 > > > > > >From: Ben Manski <manski@...> > >Reply-To: GreenMovement@yahoogroups.com > >To: greenmovement@yahoogroups.com, greens@yahoogroups.com, > >usgp-COO@... > >Subject: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong Defense of Nader/LaDuke 2000 > >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:47:12 -0500 > > > > > >�Strategic Lessons of the 2000 Presidential Election: > >A Pro-Nader Perspective� > > > >Constellations, Volume 8, Number 3, September 2001, pp.348-363. > > > >Patrick S. Barrett > >Administrative Director > >A. E. Havens Center for the Study of Social Structure and Social Change > >University of Wisconsin-Madison > >Introduction > > > >The recent presidential election was a historically significant one for a > >number of reasons. Perhaps the most obvious was the controversial manner >in > >which George W. Bush assumed office. Another reason, however, was the > >division and rancor the election produced among supporters of Al Gore and > >Ralph Nader. More than its effect on the outcome of the election itself, > >the deeper significance of the Gore-Nader controversy was the debate over > >political strategy that it generated on the left. It has been a long time > >since the left has engaged in such a debate, and its occurrence should > >therefore be seen as a positive development. At the same time, the fact > >that U.S. progressives are largely unaccustomed to thinking strategically > >may help to explain why the debate has been conducted at such a low level > >of sophistication and with such little forthrightness, especially on the > >part of those who backed Gore and the Democrats. Indeed, it is ironic >that > >the most common criticism of Nader supporters made by the backers of Gore > >namely, that the former are strategically shortsighted, irresponsible, >and > >even destructive may be much more accurately applied to themselves. > >What follows, then, is primarily intended as a critique of the pro-Gore > >position. But it is also intended as a defense of the pro-Nader position, > >which contains some of the essential elements of a long-term strategy for > >bringing about real progressive change, even if not ultimately embodied >in > >Nader or the Greens. Both of these objectives can be accomplished by > >addressing four fundamental and interrelated questions: (1) Where are >we?; > >(2) How did we get here?; (3) Where do we want to go?; and (4) How do we > >get there? Together, these four questions are indispensable to any effort > >aimed at devising a long-term strategy for progressive change. All four > >questions, moreover, were nearly universally neglected, if not actively > >avoided, by the backers of Gore and the Democrats. > >Where Are We? > >Beginning with this question is crucial, for if we do not engage in an > >accurate assessment of our current circumstances, we have little chance >of > >moving forward, much less getting very far. Thus, before we determine >where > >we want to go, or the steps we need to take to get there, we need to > >understand our point of departure. Clearly, there is insufficient space > >here for more than a very cursory response to this question. The first >and > >most obvious observation, then, is that ours is an extremely inequitable > >society. Indeed, among all the advanced economies of the world, the U.S. > >has the most unequal distribution of wealth and income, the least >economic > >mobility, the longest hours logged by its workers, one of the highest >rates > >of poverty, one of the most regressive tax structures, and the least > >developed welfare state. Our society is also characterized by severe >racial > >inequality, as African Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities > >suffer the disproportionate effect of these disparities. Moreover, the > >degree of inequality has worsened dramatically over the last 25-30 years. > > With 25% of the world�s prisoners (a disproportionate and rising > >number of whom are people of color), the U.S. can also boast the highest > >level of incarceration in the world. It is also one of the few nations >that > >still employ the death penalty, which is applied in a highly >discriminatory > >manner. In addition, our industrial relations system is heavily skewed in > >favor of employers and, not surprisingly, we have one of the weakest >labor > >movements. In few developed countries, moreover, are the rights of women > >more limited and precarious. We also consume an inordinate proportion of > >the world�s natural resources, in the process destroying our natural > >environment at an increasingly alarming rate. Not content to confine the > >ill effects of these practices to our own citizens, we seek to impose >them > >on the rest of the world via a foreign policy whose overriding concern is > >the expansion of U.S. military might and corporate interests. > > Our political system only serves to reinforce these outcomes. >Our > >winner-take-all electoral system limits our political options to two > >political parties, which, although not identical, are strikingly similar > >and have grown increasingly so over the years. In few other developed > >countries are the political rules of the game so skewed and the resulting > >set of political options so limited. The two main political parties, > >moreover, have come to serve an increasingly narrow and privileged >segment > >of the population, made possible in part by the rising corporate >domination > >of our system of campaign finance and our legislative process. At the >same > >time, the growing corporate domination and concentration of our mass >media > >has had the effect of severely constricting our national political >debate. > >It should therefore come as no surprise that approximately half of the > >voting age population does not vote in presidential elections, and that > >those who do are disproportionately white and privileged. In fact, over >the > >last forty years, voter turnout in the U.S. has been falling steadily, > >especially among the least privileged. > > In the face of such a reality, it would seem that the only > >appropriate response is outrage. In this regard, the Nader campaign > >performed a service that has been long overdue. It relentlessly drew > >attention to the fundamental problems confronting the country and >demanded > >that they be addressed. The Democrats, by contrast, steadfastly avoided > >discussion of these problems and their own role in causing them. So too >did > >many of their supporters on the left. Indeed, rather than a > >�lesser-of-two-evils� approach to the election, what many progressives > >engaged in can more accurately be described as one of �see no evil, hear >no > >evil, speak no evil.� In reality, the Democrats, especially under the > >Clinton-Gore administration, have veered significantly to the right, > >adopting core Republican positions as their own and in some cases going > >further with them than the Republicans had been able to do themselves. >The > >most notorious example of this is the 1996 welfare reform bill, which > >gutted one of the central accomplishments of the New Deal. > >But there are many others, including a hard-line approach to crime and >drug > >abuse that has led to a doubling of the prison population in the last >eight > >years, an enthusiastic embrace of the death penalty despite the > >overwhelming evidence that it kills innocent people and is racially > >discriminatory, an obsession with balanced budgets that has depended upon > >cuts in social spending, a foreign policy that was as militaristic and > >anti-humanitarian as that of its Republican predecessors while even more > >devoted to advancing the economic interests of Wall Street and corporate > >America, and an environmental record that was so bad as to prompt David > >Brower to conclude that �Gore and Clinton have done more to harm the > >environment than Reagan and Bush combined.� Under Clinton and Gore, the > >Democrats also became far more adept at corporate fund-raising, > >significantly closing the gap with their Republican rivals. And not > >surprisingly, inequality continued to grow, despite the vaunted economic > >expansion of the 1990s. > >The list is longer, but this should have been enough to produce outrage >on > >the part of progressives. Such outrage, however, was in amazingly short > >supply. Nor was there much anger over the fact that there was a >systematic > >effort to silence the one candidate who was attempting to draw attention >to > >the administration�s abysmal record, Ralph Nader. Indeed, throughout most > >of the summer of 2000, Gore and his supporters worked hard to deny Nader >a > >national forum. They were aided in this effort by the national media, >which > >largely ignored him. To the degree that the media did cover his campaign, > >it was to portray him as a �spoiler,� never to report on the substance of > >his positions. In the early fall, with Gore trailing in the polls, the > >media and the Democrats did begin to pay more attention to Nader, but >only > >to vilify him as a destructive egotist and to insist that there was no > >alternative to �the Party.� Simultaneously, the distortion of the > >Democrats� and Gore�s record reached new heights. Gore was consistently > >portrayed as a champion of civil rights, labor rights, women�s rights, >the > >environment, and gay rights. Given Gore�s appalling record in all of >these > >areas, this was a particularly cynical effort. It was all the more >cynical > >given the Gore supporters� indignation over Nader�s supposed exaggeration > >of the similarities between Bush and Gore. In truth, Nader did >exaggerate, > >but not by much and certainly far less than the Gore supporters in >claiming > >a difference between the two candidates. > >In their lionizing of Gore, his supporters somehow forgot about his 84% > >pro-life voting record, his steadfast support for free trade, his close > >ties to tobacco and oil companies and weapons manufacturers, his efforts >to > >end affirmative action for federal contractors through his �reinventing > >government� program, his repeated betrayal of pledges to protect the > >environment, and his long history as a gay basher. Also forgotten was the > >fact that it was Gore who first race-baited Dukakis in the 1988 >Democratic > >primaries with the Willie Horton story and who made it a personal mission > >to undermine the Jackson campaign in the 1988 New York primary. There was > >also little reaction when Gore openly bragged about his support for the > >death penalty, his key role in pushing through the 1996 Welfare Reform > >Bill, his unbending support for sanctions on Iraq and military aid to > >Colombia, or his call for an increase in defense spending twice that > >proposed by Bush. Nor was there much reaction when he chose Joseph > >Lieberman (one of the most conservative and pro-business members of the > >Senate) as his running mate and former Commerce Secretary William Daley >(a > >leading figure in the administration�s effort to promote free trade) as >his > >campaign chair person. And there was a deafening silence when Lieberman > >declared to the Wall Street Journal that big business need not worry >about > >the semi-populist elements of Gore�s convention speech, since it was >simply > >rhetoric designed to win votes. > >The response of most Gore backers to the outcome of the election has been > >consistent with their attitude during the campaign, as they have heaped > >considerable abuse on Nader as one of the two culprits who denied Gore >his > >rightful victory, the other being Bush�s allies on the U.S. Supreme >Court. > >While there is strong evidence for the latter, the former claim is yet > >another example of denying reality. Unfortunately, in the hierarchy of > >reasons explaining Gore�s �defeat,� Nader ranks quite low. Far more > >significant was the fundamental weakness of the Gore campaign itself, >which > >was unable to win even Gore�s home state of Tennessee or Clinton�s home > >state of Arkansas. This weakness was perhaps in part a negative reaction >to > >Clinton�s personal behavior and the odd perception that Bush was the > >candidate with greater personal integrity. But it more likely reflected >the > >fact that there were so few discernible differences between the two main > >candidates on bread and butter economic issues, particularly to the white > >working class. Indeed, voter turnout was the third lowest in the last 75 > >years. To be sure, there was a slight increase over 1996 (from 49% to >51%), > >but the class composition of the turnout was if anything more skewed than > >ever in favor of the upper 20% of income earners. Moreover, one of the >main > >reasons for the increased turnout was Nader. In fact, in several states, >he > >helped to elect Democratic congressional candidates. > >While a few Democrats have acknowledged the positive role played by >Nader, > >most have treated him as a pariah. In striking contrast to their posture > >toward the new administration, which they have welcomed in a remarkably > >�bipartisan� manner, they have been determined to deny Nader any > >opportunity to weigh in on policy debates in which they are presumably on > >the same side. There are two basic motivations for this posture. One is >to > >deny their own culpability in their party�s defeat and the sorry state of > >the nation. And the other is to send a message to anyone who dares to >offer > >a progressive alternative to the Democrats that they will pay heavily. > >Ironically, Nader in this way performed yet another service by exposing >the > >Democratic Party for what it is. Indeed, if there were reason to be > >skeptical about the party�s democratic convictions prior to this >election, > >their analysis of the election outcome has provided further reason for > >doubt. > >How Did We Get Here? > >Thus, if we are serious about achieving progressive change, we have to > >engage in a more candid and critical assessment of our contemporary > >reality. But we also need to understand how we got here. For without an > >accurate assessment of what led us to our present circumstances, we are > >likely to continue down the same path, with the same or worse results. > >Clearly, many of the same factors are in play, as social, economic, and > >political inequalities have a way of perpetuating themselves. However, a > >major part of the explanation for what got us here once again lies with >the > >Democratic Party. In this respect, Nader again did a far better job of > >assessing reality than Gore. But Nader was actually too soft on the > >Democrats, repeatedly suggesting that they had departed from their > >progressive roots. The reality is that the Democratic Party never had >such > >roots and was never a champion of the rights of working people and racial > >minorities. > >During the twentieth century, there have been only two moments when the > >Democrats have presided over major progressive change: the New Deal of >FDR > >and the Great Society programs of Lyndon Johnson. Two conclusions can be > >drawn from these experiences. One is that only pressure from below has >ever > >moved the Democrats in a progressive direction. The second is that the > >lengths to which they can be moved are greatly limited by their ties to >big > >business interests. In both instances, the Democrats were forced to >accept > >change in response to massive popular mobilization. And in both cases, >for > >a variety of reasons, important segments of business were willing to > >tolerate some degree of progressive change. However, that willingness was > >both limited and short-lived. In fact, many of the more far-reaching > >initiatives, particularly under the New Deal, were never realized, while > >many of the accomplishments were quickly subjected to attack and, before > >long, reversal. In the case of the New Deal, the possibilities for change > >were also severely limited by the key role played by southern racists in > >the party. > >Particularly over the last 25-30 years, these two factors have changed in > >such a way as to cause the Democratic Party to move ever more rightward. > >The labor movement, which was the most important popular impetus behind >the > >New Deal, has grown steadily weaker since the mid-1950s and has assumed a > >largely conservative posture. Moreover, with the exception of the 1972 > >presidential election, it has given its support to the Democrats > >unconditionally. Meanwhile, African Americans, whose mass mobilization > >during the 1950s and 1960s was the driving force behind Johnson�s Great > >Society programs and triggered the departure of most of the party�s > >southern racist contingent, have since become a demobilized and captured > >constituency. As a result, the capacity of both groups to influence the > >direction of the Democratic Party has diminished significantly. > >Simultaneously, the party has grown increasingly dependent upon big > >business, which itself has grown less and less tolerant of even the most > >moderate proposals for change. This process became most evident in the > >early 1980s following the election of Ronald Reagan and the establishment > >of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in early 1985. Founded by a > >group of primarily southern conservative Democrats, the DLC set out to >move > >the Party to the right by strengthening its ties to business, while > >distancing it from labor, African Americans, and the poor. This effort >came > >to fruition in 1992 with the election of Clinton and Gore and was further > >consolidated with the nomination of Gore and Lieberman in 2000. > > The DLC�s main argument for pushing the party to the right is >that > >the country itself has moved rightward and that in order to win >elections, > >the party needs to respond to what the voters want. A corollary to this > >argument is that the Republicans have also moved to the right and that >the > >Democrats must do whatever it takes to keep them out of the White House, > >including following in their footsteps. But there is virtually no >substance > >to this argument. Survey data indicate that, if anything, the American > >electorate has become more, not less, �liberal� in its attitudes. In >fact, > >to the degree that Americans have come to oppose government activism, it > >has not been because they are hostile to government action to the > >contrary, they believe that the government should be actively involved in > >problem-solving but rather because they have become disillusioned with >the > >government�s capacity for problem-solving. Much of that disillusionment, > >moreover, can be attributed to the Democrats, who for decades have grown > >increasingly unwilling or unable to respond to the economic aspirations >of > >poor and working class voters and instead have responded to the demands >of > >the wealthy. > > Furthermore, rather than simply responding to the rightward >shift > >of the Republicans, the Democrats have at times initiated the move to the > >right. Indeed, it was the Carter administration that launched >Reaganomics, > >fully two years before Reagan came into office. And it is no surprise >that > >Carter lost to Reagan in 1980, with Carter offering such a dismal option >to > >the working class. Once Reagan was in office, the Democrats also went out > >of their way to accommodate his policy initiatives, giving him bigger tax > >cuts and increases in military spending than he had asked for, and much >of > >what he requested in social spending cuts. And rather than responding to > >the growing discontent among the poor, working class, and racial > >minorities, they instead engaged in a heightened competition with the > >Republicans for gaining the backing of business. > >The 1984 campaign of Walter Mondale was itself a revealing case study of > >the party�s increasing domination by business and its growing distance >from > >its popular electoral constituencies. Particularly striking was the > >campaign�s deliberate efforts to limit voter turnout among the poor and > >racial minorities, for fear that it would strengthen the candidacy of >Jesse > >Jackson. Even after winning the nomination, Mondale continued to oppose > >registration efforts despite a 250-page study written by his aides that > >concluded that �the only way Mondale can win is by pitching his appeal to > >the white working class and minorities.� The main problem, of course, was > >the effect such an appeal would have on the Party�s business backers. > >Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers described the situation well: > >As the Mondale campaign made clear, virtually no Democratic business >group > >has a stake in expanding the party�s mass base. To gain the support of > >millions and millions of poor nonvoters and marginally identifying blue- > >and white-collar workers, the Democrats would actually have to offer them > >something perhaps a progressive tax code, or full employment, or > >unionization with real power for the rank and file, or enhanced social > >programs. [But] the party�s dominant business elites are not prepared to >do > >this. > >Constrained by his business backers, Mondale thus offered nothing to >those > >voters who could have given the Democrats a victory. Instead, he offered > >only fiscal restraint and a promise to increase taxes. Coupled with one >of > >the largest political business cycles ever engineered, this was enough to > >produce a landslide victory for Reagan. In the wake of this defeat, party > >leaders saw it as an opportunity to push even harder for the strategy >that > >had produced it. Indeed, it was in early 1985 that the DLC was founded. > >Moreover, instead of rewarding Jesse Jackson with greater influence for >his > >loyalty to the party and the new voters he recruited, the white >Democratic > >establishment (in a preview of their treatment of Nader in 2000) >viciously > >scape-goated him for losing the election. In 1986, party nominating rules > >were also re-written in an effort to �moderate� the party�s image and > >advance a candidate that could appeal to conservative white voters. > >It was not until 1992, however, that the DLC succeeded in getting one of > >its own elected in the person of Bill Clinton. But Clinton�s victory >should > >not be seen as a vindication of the DLC�s conservative strategy. Clinton > >received fewer votes than Dukakis had in 1988 and would never have won if > >not for an economic recession and the presence of a strong third >candidate, > >Ross Perot, who received millions of votes from the very voting bloc that > >has abandoned the Democrats in droves over the last 25 years: low-income > >whites. Apparently oblivious to the real significance of the election, > >Clinton very quickly dedicated his administration to the service of > >business interests, thereby producing the fiasco of the 1994 >congressional > >elections, in which a rightwing Republican cabal took control of the > >Congress. Continuing the pattern established by his party since 1980, > >Clinton responded to this outcome by turning even more to the right. >Aided > >once again by the presence of Ross Perot, a less than stimulating > >Republican candidate in Bob Dole, and the fact that the Congressional > >Republicans that he had set out to imitate had become thoroughly > >discredited, Clinton was able to win reelection in 1996. Voter turnout, > >however, was the lowest since 1924. Given this history, it was not > >particularly surprising that the 2000 Democratic ticket consisted of Gore > >and Lieberman, two darlings of the DLC. It was also not surprising that > >Gore, despite benefiting from an unprecedented economic expansion, ran a > >very close and uninspired race against George W. Bush, arguably the least > >prepared presidential candidate during this century. And it came as no > >shock that the southerner Gore did abysmally in the south and that the > >Democratic leadership made no effort to challenge the disenfranchisement >of > >African American voters in Florida and instead worked to diffuse their > >protests. > >The Democrats, then, have played a major role in producing the >increasingly > >rightward shift of politics in the United States. By adopting Republican > >policy positions, they have legitimated those positions and enabled the > >Republicans to move ever farther to the right, with little fear of >becoming > >politically marginal. When in power, moreover, they more effectively > >realize Republican policies by paralyzing groups that are reluctant to > >oppose a Democratic President. And by alienating low-income voters, they > >pave the way for Republican victories. As Jesse Jackson Jr. recently put > >it, the move down this path has been �aided by Democrats. In 1992 a > >conservative Democrat, Bill Clinton, selected an even more conservative > >running mate, Al Gore, who in 2000 selected an even more conservative > >running mate, Joseph Lieberman. By helping to shift the Democratic Party > >and the country further right, a very conservative George W. Bush could > >select an ultraconservative Dick Cheney as his running mate and win.� > > > >Where Do We Want to Go? > >Now that we have a better sense of where we are and how we got here, the > >next task is to figure out where we want to go. How we answer this >question > >may be the most critical task of all, since it will dictate how we act. > >Indeed, in addressing this question, we are beginning to speak more > >directly about strategy. This is because strategic action consists of two > >basic elements: conceiving of a vision of the future; and devising a >series > >of steps aimed at getting there. Without a vision of the future, >political > >action is aimless and very unlikely to be successful. It certainly is not > >strategic in any meaningful sense of the word. > > Unfortunately, the American left has by and large ignored this > >question. The vast majority of us have little sense of where we want to >go > >or of the future we would like to bring into being. At least, we do not > >devote much discussion to it and we certainly do not make the effort to > >think systematically about what it would take to make it a reality. > >Instead, the greater part of our political activity, by far, is devoted >to > >reaction, to opposing or trying to limit the worst effects of things we >do > >not want, rather than to working proactively to construct an alternative > >reality. Our political orientation is heavily geared toward the short >term, > >with our highest goal set on winning the next election. More often than > >not, we find ourselves in a defensive holding action, and we devote >little > >thought to the long-term implications of our actions. > >We also make very little effort to influence the program of the political > >organizations and elected officials who presumably represent us. Indeed, >we > >demonstrate an extraordinary willingness to demand, and accept, very >little > >from them, and we tolerate a political dialogue that is superficial and > >even repressive. Again, there was perhaps no better example of this than > >the treatment of Nader in the 2000 election. Instead of welcoming a > >candidate who offered an unusually elaborate and straightforward program > >for change, even if only because of the effect that discussion of that > >program could have on our national political debate, far too many of us > >were willing to stand by and let the focus be trained entirely on his > >supposed role as a �spoiler.� His program, meanwhile, was systematically > >ignored, if not suppressed. > >To some degree, the defensive posture of American progressives is very > >understandable, particularly since we inhabit an environment in which our > >enemies are strong and determined to implement very undesirable > >initiatives. The irony, however, is that by focusing so much attention on > >containing our enemies, rather than on conceptualizing and working toward > >the construction of a better society, we can end up hastening the > >realization of the very things we oppose. This is because we are more > >likely to find ourselves losing sight of and compromising our positive > >goals and thus allowing for the kind of scenario described above, in >which > >the Democratic Party can pull us ever more rightward, because the > >Republicans, themselves aided by the Democrats, are always a little >worse. > >We can therefore easily find ourselves in a vicious, downward spiral in > >which our actions serve only to reinforce a continual worsening of > >conditions. > >None of this is to say that we should refrain from being negative, in the > >sense of engaging in a critique of contemporary society. Our vision of a > >positive alternative reality is very much contained in our critique of > >things as they are, since the nature and depth of that critique will >point > >to what it is that we seek to change and how much of a change we seek to > >achieve. One vision of the future, based for example on the critique > >advanced in the first section of this article, might be characterized as > >social democratic or perhaps democratic socialist. This would involve > >constructing a society in which inequalities of wealth and income are > >limited, poverty is all but nonexistent, health care is universal, >taxation > >is progressive, racial minorities, women, and gays are full members of > >society, unions are powerful and democratic, the death penalty is > >abolished, the prison population is vastly outnumbered by the university > >student population, foreign policy is humanitarian and democratic, the > >defense budget is geared toward defense and thus radically reduced, the > >environment is strongly protected, the media permit an open and wide > >ranging political debate, political campaigns are publicly financed, and > >the party system provides a wide range of political options, including >some > >that represent the least privileged members of society. > >Of course, many may not feel comfortable with this kind of social > >democratic or democratic socialist vision and would prefer a future that >is > >not such a departure from our present circumstances. Some may wish to >work > >for only one or two of these objectives and may be very willing to > >sacrifice the remainder in order to accomplish them. These differences >may > >tell us as much about who we are as anything else. Some of us clearly > >benefit a great deal from our current conditions and thus are less > >interested in seeing such changes realized. But even among those who do >not > >define our interests so narrowly, there will be major differences. >Indeed, > >the democratization of society will unavoidably require the construction >of > >a diverse coalition of interests, many of which may not easily join >forces > >with each other, but which can nevertheless find enough common ground to > >advance a mutually beneficial program of change. On the other hand, our > >failure to embrace a program of change may have nothing to do with our > >interests, and instead reflect the nature of our expectations. In other > >words, some of us may have simply given up on the possibility of change >and > >do not consider the above vision of the future as a feasible or realistic > >one, however desirable it may be. But whatever our particular response to > >this question, the fact remains that unless and until we address it, >there > >is little or no chance that we will move forward, wherever or however far > >we end up deciding we want to go. With that in mind, we turn now to the > >fourth and final question. > >How Do We Get There? > >This may be the most difficult question of all, since it is a lot easier >to > >engage in a critique of contemporary society, or elaborate a vision of a > >future society, than it is to come up with a viable strategy for moving > >forward. It is also likely the question on which we have reflected with >the > >least care. This was clearly illustrated in the 2000 election, and in > >particular in the analysis offered by the backers of Gore. To review, >that > >analysis consisted of the claim that the only real option was to vote for > >Gore, given that Nader was not going to win and that Gore, however > >undesirable, was preferable to Bush. The mantra of the Gore campaign was > >therefore �a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush� and anyone who did not > >understand this was labeled as strategically unsophisticated, > >irresponsible, and even destructive. While voting for Gore was touted as >an > >eminently strategic act, voting for Nader was seen at best as a symbolic > >action, or a protest vote, certainly not one informed by a strategic > >understanding of the stakes involved. However, just as the Gore >supporters > >never reflected on where we are, how we got here, or where we want to go, > >they never carefully examined this claim to strategic insight. Their > >critique of Nader supporters, it turns out, would have been more > >appropriately applied to themselves. > >In the first place, the focus of the pro-Gore option was entirely > >short-term in character. It was at best a defensive maneuver with no real > >end game yet another holding action designed to prevent a Republican >from > >assuming office and totally devoid of any proposal for what to do the day > >after the election. At virtually no point did anyone consider, much less > >explain, how voting for Gore fit into a long-term strategy of bringing > >about progressive change. In reality, there were basically only three > >reasons for voting for Gore, only two of which made any real sense. One > >reason is that you benefit from the existing inequalities in US society >and > >understand that voting for Gore would help to preserve, if not increase, > >those inequalities. This group actually behaved in a very strategically > >rational manner and, of course, was well represented among those who > >contributed so generously to Gore�s campaign. A second reason is that >while > >you dislike what Gore and the Democrats have come to represent, you have > >largely given up hope that there will ever be any better option. This too > >is rational, though it is very cynical and can hardly be called >strategic. > >The final reason is that while you dislike Gore and the Democrats, you > >believe (or hold out hope) that voting for Gore is somehow consistent >with > >getting something better than Gore. This reason is also not strategic and > >the rationality behind it is dubious at best. > >This last group of voters in particular made very little effort to >examine > >the long-term implications of their actions. If they had, they might have > >realized what was the very best-case scenario of the vote-for-Gore >option: > >a Gore victory in 2000; his reelection in 2004 (because the same logic of > >preventing a Republican victory would have prevailed and the best >candidate > >for that is an incumbent President); a victory by Lieberman in 2008 (as >the > >heir apparent); and Lieberman�s reelection in 2012. It bears repeating >that > >this would have been the very best-case scenario, a quarter century of > >Clinton, Gore, and Lieberman. Not only would this have been unlikely; had > >it occurred, it would also have dealt a severe blow to the chances of > >constructing a progressive future. That is, unless it finally provided > >indisputable evidence to enough Democratic Party loyalists that a third > >party alternative was now necessary. This, however, is a �things have to > >get worse before they get better� scenario that is neither promising nor > >desirable. > > A closely related failure was the Gore backers� basic > >misunderstanding of the difference between long-term and short-term >costs. > >They aggressively reprimanded Nader supporters for supposedly ignoring >the > >costs of their actions, particularly the costs borne by the weakest >members > >of society who would pay most dearly for a Bush victory. This argument >has > >a powerful emotional appeal, as it touches upon what should be at the >very > >center of our political decision-making the effects that our actions >have > >on the weakest among us. No one backing Nader should have taken this > >argument lightly. Yet, it artificially absolves the Gore backers of their > >own responsibility by failing to consider the long-term costs of their > >actions. If we are really concerned about people who are suffering and >want > >to be certain that our decisions do the least harm to them, we cannot >focus > >only on the short-term. We also have to consider the harm that will be >done > >to them in the long term. We must ask ourselves whether the actions > >designed to minimize short-term costs produce far greater costs in the > >long-term by foregoing the possibility of future change. In other words, > >will those actions reduce the likelihood that the weakest among us will > >become full members of society and realize their life chances? These > >questions (which are more relevant than ever in light of the recent > >evolution of the Democratic Party), were virtually never raised, much >less > >addressed, by the supporters of Al Gore. > > It deserves noting that no significant social change was ever > >accomplished anywhere by focusing exclusively on short-term costs. >Indeed, > >it is no exaggeration to state that in every case of significant social, > >political, and economic progress in the history of human existence, the > >protagonists of change have had to reject the argument that they should >be > >careful and not rock the boat, because the balance of forces is against > >them, things are unlikely to get better, and they can easily get worse. > >That reality has not changed. The truth is that, much like the periods > >preceding significant social change in the past, we are engulfed in an > >increasingly severe vicious circle (or downward spiral). By definition, > >breaking free of any vicious circle has significant short-term costs, but > >the longer the decision to break free is put off, the more costly (and > >hence unlikely) it becomes. Those who seek to democratize society must > >confront this basic strategic dilemma head on. Their fear that a rupture > >with the status quo may be too costly is very understandable, but they >must > >also understand that by exercising excessive prudence, they will >contribute > >to the perpetuation of current conditions and preclude the possibility of > >future change. What it comes down to, then, is the kind of >self-fulfilling > >prophecy we choose to be a part of one that maintains conditions as they > >are, or one that builds toward an alternative future. > > Yet another strategic weakness exhibited by the Gore backers was > >their fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to prevail in >politics. > >At an abstract level, the answer of course is power, the capacity to >force > >others to act in a way that they would not otherwise. But what does this > >mean practically? In electoral politics, it means being willing to deny > >support to parties and candidates, even at the risk of causing them to >lose > >and helping to elect something or someone worse. The Senate Democrats� >role > >in the recent confirmation of Bush�s cabinet appointments illustrates the > >point. Presented with some of the most reactionary appointments in recent > >memory, the Democrats made little or no effort to oppose them. In fact, > >most were confirmed unanimously. Disturbed by this weak response, some > >Democratic loyalists reacted in anger. For example, Patricia Ireland, the > >president of NOW, declared: �There is a fairly angry and experienced >crowd > >of activists who can be mobilized to bring a lot of public pressure, > >mainly, in my view, on the Democrats to keep the Democrats from folding > >into the center-right agenda.� In a similar vein, Julian Bond, the > >president of the NAACP, stated: �Democrats need to know that their votes > >are monitored just as the Republicans� votes are monitored.� But these > >statements beg some very fundamental questions. How does one keep the > >Democrats from folding into the center-right? What is the point of > >monitoring votes if one lacks the capacity to sanction those votes? What > >form would those sanctions take? Are these credible threats then? In >truth, > >the only way to ensure that the Democrats do the right thing is to put >the > >fear of losing in them. But like so many others, both Ireland and Bond >have > >made it so clear that they prefer anything to the Republicans that they > >have no real leverage on the Democrats. The only way to gain leverage >would > >be to make their support conditional, which means being willing to cause > >them to lose their seats, and neither is willing to do that. > > At least Ireland and Bond recognize the Democrats� culpability. > >Far more of those who backed Gore have reacted to the Bush appointments >by > >claiming that they provide clear proof that voting for Gore was the >correct > >thing to do. But the logic underpinning this argument is very cynical. It > >rests fundamentally on the claim that we have no choice but to vote the > >Democrats into the White House because we cannot trust them to use the > >power at their disposal to do the right thing in the Congress. It thus > >comes down to a form of blackmail: �If you don�t vote for our candidate, > >we�ll stand aside and unleash a right-winger on the country.� This is why > >the frequent invocation of Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas >during > >the election rang so hollow. Somehow overlooked was the fact that the > >Democrats stood by and let those appointments go through when they had >the > >power to block them. None of this, of course, is particularly novel. It >is > >simply a continuation of a pattern that has been gaining momentum for > >several decades. > > So much for the strategic shortcomings of the Gore backers. What > >about the Nader/Green option? Did it really represent a promising > >alternative, one that could serve as the basis for a new progressive > >political movement? In many respects, it did, and perhaps still does. In > >the first place, Nader was unmistakably the most progressive presidential > >candidate to come along in at least a half century, if not longer. He > >offered a program that not only addressed many of the country�s deepest > >problems, but offered concrete proposals for dealing with them. He was >thus > >the first candidate in decades to advance a clear vision of the future >that > >progressives could enthusiastically embrace. He also demonstrated a solid > >grasp of what it takes to get there, including an understanding of how > >power functions and is distributed in this society, the differences >between > >short- and long-term costs, and the crucial role of social mobilization. > >Indeed, in this last regard, he has strong links to the social forces >that > >emerged in the Seattle demonstrations in November 1999, probably the most > >significant instance of mass social mobilization to materialize in >decades. > >Moreover, although he has never been elected to political office, he has > >long experience in working with Congress and has an impressive list of > >legislative accomplishments, certainly far more impressive than almost >any > >member of Congress. > > All of this suggests that if one were to opt for a third party > >candidate, this was going to be the time. If progressives remained >hesitant > >in the face of this unique historical opportunity, and were even willing >to > >actively undermine it by voting for Gore, it therefore likely meant that > >they are fundamentally pessimistic about the prospects for a viable third > >party emerging. But shouldn�t they be? Isn�t the history of third party > >efforts in the U.S. pretty terrible? And isn�t this primarily because our > >electoral system is simply inhospitable to third parties? Moreover, >doesn�t > >it make more sense to work at the local level, and establish a third >party > >presence there, before launching a campaign at the presidential level >where > >the stakes are so high? In any case, isn�t the Green Party badly >organized > >and therefore not a particularly promising vehicle? And haven�t Nader and > >the Greens failed to reach out to African Americans and other people of > >color, a crucial constituency in any progressive movement? For all of >these > >reasons, would it not therefore make more sense to try to work through >the > >Democratic Party? > > The truth is that the history of third party efforts in the U.S. > >is terrible and it does have a great deal to do with the nature of our > >electoral system. But this is not a reason to abandon all future efforts. > >Indeed, the immutable status we give to our electoral system is actually > >quite mind-boggling. Somehow, many of us are capable of condemning the >most > >deep-seated socio-economic problems, but when it comes to a destructive > >institutional feature of our political system, we accept it as permanent, > >almost as though it were part of the natural order of things. This >attitude > >is all the more astounding given the enormous benefits electoral reforms > >such as proportional representation or even instant run-off voting would > >instantly produce (e.g., a widening of our political options, greatly > >expanded participation, and the elimination of the �spoiler� effect) and > >the very fertile terrain for electoral reform created by the Florida > >debacle. Ironically, it is even possible to take advantage of the current > >electoral system to advance such reforms. In fact, the two states where >IRV > >is being seriously considered are precisely those states where a strong > >third party has created a spoiler effect: New Mexico and Alaska. In both > >cases, it is the party that has been transformed from a winner into a >loser > >(the Democrats in New Mexico and the Republicans in Alaska) that is most > >interested in reform here we see how �losing� can be a positive force >for > >change. There is no reason, moreover, why this cannot also be >accomplished > >at the national level, since the logic behind it is unaffected by scale. > > Any effort to establish a third party should also involve a >great > >deal of work at the local level. However, this does not preclude >launching > >a national, presidential campaign. Rather than being mutually exclusive > >strategies, they can be mutually reinforcing. A good example of this is > >Madison, Wisconsin, where an already strong local party, Progressive >Dane, > >made a strategic decision to get involved in the Nader campaign precisely > >because of the benefits it would have for building their organization. >And > >as a result, they have experienced a surge of hundreds of new, very > >actively engaged members. One reason this makes sense is the >de-politicized > >nature of our political culture. Unfortunately, most Americans, to the > >degree we are at all interested in politics, focus on the national level. > >In other words, only a national, presidential campaign has the capacity >of > >politicizing people rapidly. It is highly unlikely, for example, that the > >tens of thousands of enthusiastic people who paid $10 each to attend > >Nader�s �super rallies� would have been similarly inspired and energized >in > >the absence of the Nader campaign. Thus, rather than slowly building a > >local presence all across the country before launching a national >campaign, > >it makes more sense to jump-start the whole process by advancing both > >efforts simultaneously. > > The Green Party is also not particularly well organized or > >experienced, and in fact, suffers from some not insignificant divisions. > >But this is also not a sufficient reason to write it off. Arguing that we > >cannot opt for a third party until such a party is strong, well >organized, > >and experienced is to create a catch-22. If our involvement is essential >to > >building such a party, waiting until it emerges before we lend it our > >support is to ensure its demise. In any case, there is no reason to stake > >our hopes on the Green Party as the only possible third party >alternative. > >It is simply a vehicle, and a rather open one at that. The same is true >of > >Nader. In fact, we should be very wary of attaching our political agenda > >too closely to any individual. But no matter where we begin, we will have > >to confront the reality that organizations are weak in their infancy. In > >order to attain the strength of adulthood, they require substantial > >nurturing, not a wait-and-see attitude. > > Nader and the Greens also did a very poor job of reaching out to > >people of color, probably the greatest weakness of their campaign. In >fact, > >it was not until very late in the game that Nader began to address their > >concerns explicitly. And not surprisingly, he did poorly among minority > >voters. Yet, there is no significant reason why this cannot change. >Despite > >Nader�s limited efforts in this regard, he focused far more directly on > >issues of concern to minority voters than Gore did, including support for > >affirmative action, an end to racial profiling, an end to the war on >drugs, > >abolition of the death penalty, closing the racial wealth gap, and even > >reparations for slavery. Much of his poor showing among those voters thus > >had as much to do with the suppression of his message as the failure to > >deliver it more effectively. Moreover, unlike the Democratic Party, in > >which there are major structural obstacles to advancing a program that > >addresses the needs of people of color, there are no such obstacles in >the > >Green Party. > > But despite all this, shouldn�t Nader have sought to advance his > >progressive agenda through the Democratic Party instead, given that it is > >organizationally more developed and still has the most significant > >progressive following of any political party? A number of people have in > >fact advanced this argument, including Representative Barney Frank of > >Massachusetts. Invariably, they point to Jesse Jackson as the best model >of > >what can be accomplished. This is a curious choice of models, however, > >since Jackson�s experience is a far better example of the limitations of > >the Democratic Party. As noted above, Jackson�s rainbow coalition set off > >alarm bells in the party and the current political leadership went to >great > >lengths to ensure that it was defeated. Recent developments, moreover, > >suggest that the chances of such an effort succeeding are more limited >than > >ever (e.g., the naming of super fundraiser Terry McAuliffe as the new > >chairman of the Democratic National Committee and the DLC�s insistence >that > >a main reason for Gore�s defeat was his excessively populist campaign). > >None of this rules out the possibility of progressives taking control of > >the party. That possibility, however, is extremely small and it would > >require somehow surmounting the overwhelming and growing power that >moneyed > >interests have in the party. It would also require a radical change in > >strategy on the part of progressive Democrats. Ironically, perhaps the >one > >factor that could significantly strengthen their leverage vis-�-vis their > >internal party rivals is the emergence of a strong third political party. > > > > > >Notes > > > > John Nichols, �The Great Debate. Nader Has Inspired Bitter Debates on >the > >Left. Isn�t it Terrific?,� In These Times, November 13, 2000. > > Quoted in Alexander Cockburn and Jeffery St. Clair, Al Gore: A User�s > >Manual (London: Verso, 2000). > > On media coverage of the Nader campaign, see Ralph Nader, �My Untold > >Story,� Brill�s Content, February 2001, and Robert McChesney, et al., >�The > >Nader Campaign and the Future of U.S. Left Electoral Politics,� Monthly > >Review, Vol. 52, No. 9, February 2001. > > See for example the extraordinary letter by Representative John Conyers > >to The Nation (November 20, 2000). > > Aside from the large-scale disenfranchisement of African American >voters, > >a big part of the reason Gore lost the all-important state of Florida was > >the vast number of Democrats and self-described liberals who voted for > >Bush. In fact, while 24,000 Democrats voted for Nader, more than twelve > >times as many (308,000) voted for Bush, and among self-described >liberals, > >the ratio was 191,000 to 34,000 (or nearly 6 to 1). Bush also beat Gore > >among white women (53% to 44%) and voters 65 and older (51% to 47%) (see > >Jim Hightower, �How Florida Democrats Torpedoed Gore,� in Salon.com, > >November 27, 2000). Similar trends prevailed nationwide (see the CNN exit > >poll at www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html). In fact, >according > >to a Voter News Service exit poll, only 47% of the Nader voters would >have > >voted for Gore in a two-way race, while 21% would have voted for Bush and > >30% would not have voted at all. > > William Greider, �Nader and the Politics of Fear,� The Nation, March >12, > >2001. > > Ibid. > > Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers, Right Turn: The Decline of the >Democrats > >and the Future of American Politics (New York: Hill and Wang, 1986). > > Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority: Why the >White > >Working Class Still Matters (New York: Basic Books, 2000). > > Carter won only 48% of the union vote and only 44% of the working class > >vote. Deepening a process that had gained momentum throughout the decade, > >there was also a dramatic decrease in voter turnout among lower-class > >groups. Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t > >Vote and Why Politicians Want it That Way (Boston: Beacon Press, 2000), > >pp.116, 121-125. > > Piven and Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t Vote, p.150. > > Ferguson and Rogers, Right Turn, p.202. > > Teixera and Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority. > > Jesse Jackson Jr., �George Bush�s Democrats,� The Nation, January 22, > >2001. > > Ruth Conniff, �Cancel the Honeymoon,� The Progressive, February 2001. > > Ibid. > > This may also explain why no one reacted when Joseph Lieberman declared > >on national television a week before the election that he would have >voted > >to confirm Robert Bork if he had been a Senator at the time. Houston > >Chronicle, October 30, 2000. > > �Ruth Conniff referees a match between Barney Frank and Ralph Nader,� >The > >Progressive, November 2000. > > Recently, Robert Reich has become so disillusioned as to conclude that > >the Democratic Party is dead. See �The Democrats Aren�t �Just Resting�,� > >Washington Post, March 11, 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ben Manski > > Green Party of the United States > > Steering Committee > > manski@... > > http://www.gp-us.org/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
These articles have been forwarded to you by the ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... FREE PALESTINE!! FREE ALL PALESTINIAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! Thousands rally in Durban against Israel and U.S. DURBAN, South Africa, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Thousands of demonstrators chanting anti-Israeli and anti-American slogans marched through the centre of Durban on Friday as a world conference against racism got under way. "Israel is an apartheid state" and "Free, Free Palestine" were among banners waved by the protesters, estimated to number 10,000, as they headed for a meeting to be addressed by U.S. civil rights leader Jesse Jackson. Another banner read: "George Bush: Palestinian blood is on your hands." Both the United States and Israel have sent only low-level delegations to the United Nations-organised World Conference Against Racism in protest at what they say is an anti-Israel bias in draft texts drawn up for the meeting. Arab states have dropped clauses equating Zionism with Racism but want "foreign occupation" -- a veiled reference to Israeli actions in Palestinian territories -- to be branded as a new kind of apartheid. Armed police looked on as marchers filed through central city streets but there were no immediate reports of any violence. 07:33 08-31-01 U.N. Chief: Racism Summit Can't Afford Failure By Richard Waddington Reuters DURBAN, South Africa (Aug. 31) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Friday urged delegates to an acrimonious global conference against racism to set aside their differences, saying the meeting could not afford to fail. ''If we leave here without agreement we shall give comfort to the worst elements in every society,'' he told the opening session of the eight-day World Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance. Acknowledging rows that dogged preparations for the United Nations-organised meeting in the South African port of Durban -- Washington has sent only a low-level delegation because of what it says is an anti-Israeli bias -- was a test of the international community's ability to unite on a vital issue. ''Let us not fail that test,'' he said. Annan sought to sound a conciliatory note on the two most contentious issues -- how to deal with, if at all, conflict in the Middle East and how to address the historic ill of slavery. Arab states have been insisting that the conference text contain a specific reference to what it says is racist treatment by Israel of Palestinians in the occupied territories. Describing the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews were killed by the Nazis in World War Two, as ''the ultimate abomination,'' Annan said Israel could not use the tragedy as an excuse never to examine its own behavior. ''We cannot expect Palestinians to accept this (the Holocaust) as a reason why the wrongs done to them -- displacement, occupation, blockage, and now extra-judicial killings -- should be ignored, whatever label one uses to describe them,'' he said. But Annan said the conference was not the place for mutual recriminations and that its aim was to look to the future. He sent the same message on slavery, for which some African states want an explicit apology and possibly financial reparations from former slave-trading nations. ''Our aim must be to banish from this new century the hatred and prejudice that have disfigured previous centuries,'' he said. The emphasis of the conference was on practical measures to combat racism and discrimination against ethnic minorities from which few countries were immune. ''We must not leave this city without agreeing on practical measures which all states should take to fill that pledge,'' he said. European countries and the United States, the main players in the traffic of slaves from Africa to north and south America for some 400 years up to the 19th century, reject any talk of reparations and are wary of any wording in the conference texts that could leave them open to legal action. REUTERS� Reut09:05 08-31-01 Jackson: Zionism Criticism to Come Out .c The Associated Press DURBAN, South Africa (AP) - The Palestinian delegation has agreed to drop criticism of Israel and Zionism in a final declaration for the U.N. conference against racism, the Rev. Jesse Jackson said Friday. Following a three-hour meeting with Yasser Arafat, Jackson said the Palestinian leader had agreed to oppose efforts to criticize Israel and Zionism, and to recognize the Holocaust as the worst crime of the 20th century. The Palestinians were not immediately available for comment. Jackson presented reporters with a handwritten draft of the document signed by Arafat in which he said he did not want the U.N. conference to derail over criticism of Israel. The racism gathering has been overshadowed in part by anti-Israel language in a draft of the conference document. The United States decided not to send a high-level delegation to the conference because of negative references to Israel and the Zionist movement. Shortly after making the announcement, Jackson spoke to Secretary of State Colin Powell by telephone to explain the statement Arafat had signed. Jackson criticized the Bush administration for not sending Powell, noting that he was able to resolve the controversy simply by talking to the Palestinian leader. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
'strong' in words (phew) weak in content. peoples' war on the right. cs >From: "JOSEPH MOSLEY" <joemosley1@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong >Defense of Nader/LaDuke 2000 >Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:29:32 -0400 > > > > > >From: Ben Manski <manski@...> > >Reply-To: GreenMovement@yahoogroups.com > >To: greenmovement@yahoogroups.com, greens@yahoogroups.com, > >usgp-COO@... > >Subject: [GreenMovement] Barrett's Strong Defense of Nader/LaDuke 2000 > >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:47:12 -0500 > > > > > >�Strategic Lessons of the 2000 Presidential Election: > >A Pro-Nader Perspective� > > > >Constellations, Volume 8, Number 3, September 2001, pp.348-363. > > > >Patrick S. Barrett > >Administrative Director > >A. E. Havens Center for the Study of Social Structure and Social Change > >University of Wisconsin-Madison > >Introduction > > > >The recent presidential election was a historically significant one for a > >number of reasons. Perhaps the most obvious was the controversial manner >in > >which George W. Bush assumed office. Another reason, however, was the > >division and rancor the election produced among supporters of Al Gore and > >Ralph Nader. More than its effect on the outcome of the election itself, > >the deeper significance of the Gore-Nader controversy was the debate over > >political strategy that it generated on the left. It has been a long time > >since the left has engaged in such a debate, and its occurrence should > >therefore be seen as a positive development. At the same time, the fact > >that U.S. progressives are largely unaccustomed to thinking strategically > >may help to explain why the debate has been conducted at such a low level > >of sophistication and with such little forthrightness, especially on the > >part of those who backed Gore and the Democrats. Indeed, it is ironic >that > >the most common criticism of Nader supporters made by the backers of Gore > >namely, that the former are strategically shortsighted, irresponsible, >and > >even destructive may be much more accurately applied to themselves. > >What follows, then, is primarily intended as a critique of the pro-Gore > >position. But it is also intended as a defense of the pro-Nader position, > >which contains some of the essential elements of a long-term strategy for > >bringing about real progressive change, even if not ultimately embodied >in > >Nader or the Greens. Both of these objectives can be accomplished by > >addressing four fundamental and interrelated questions: (1) Where are >we?; > >(2) How did we get here?; (3) Where do we want to go?; and (4) How do we > >get there? Together, these four questions are indispensable to any effort > >aimed at devising a long-term strategy for progressive change. All four > >questions, moreover, were nearly universally neglected, if not actively > >avoided, by the backers of Gore and the Democrats. > >Where Are We? > >Beginning with this question is crucial, for if we do not engage in an > >accurate assessment of our current circumstances, we have little chance >of > >moving forward, much less getting very far. Thus, before we determine >where > >we want to go, or the steps we need to take to get there, we need to > >understand our point of departure. Clearly, there is insufficient space > >here for more than a very cursory response to this question. The first >and > >most obvious observation, then, is that ours is an extremely inequitable > >society. Indeed, among all the advanced economies of the world, the U.S. > >has the most unequal distribution of wealth and income, the least >economic > >mobility, the longest hours logged by its workers, one of the highest >rates > >of poverty, one of the most regressive tax structures, and the least > >developed welfare state. Our society is also characterized by severe >racial > >inequality, as African Americans, Latinos, and other racial minorities > >suffer the disproportionate effect of these disparities. Moreover, the > >degree of inequality has worsened dramatically over the last 25-30 years. > > With 25% of the world�s prisoners (a disproportionate and rising > >number of whom are people of color), the U.S. can also boast the highest > >level of incarceration in the world. It is also one of the few nations >that > >still employ the death penalty, which is applied in a highly >discriminatory > >manner. In addition, our industrial relations system is heavily skewed in > >favor of employers and, not surprisingly, we have one of the weakest >labor > >movements. In few developed countries, moreover, are the rights of women > >more limited and precarious. We also consume an inordinate proportion of > >the world�s natural resources, in the process destroying our natural > >environment at an increasingly alarming rate. Not content to confine the > >ill effects of these practices to our own citizens, we seek to impose >them > >on the rest of the world via a foreign policy whose overriding concern is > >the expansion of U.S. military might and corporate interests. > > Our political system only serves to reinforce these outcomes. >Our > >winner-take-all electoral system limits our political options to two > >political parties, which, although not identical, are strikingly similar > >and have grown increasingly so over the years. In few other developed > >countries are the political rules of the game so skewed and the resulting > >set of political options so limited. The two main political parties, > >moreover, have come to serve an increasingly narrow and privileged >segment > >of the population, made possible in part by the rising corporate >domination > >of our system of campaign finance and our legislative process. At the >same > >time, the growing corporate domination and concentration of our mass >media > >has had the effect of severely constricting our national political >debate. > >It should therefore come as no surprise that approximately half of the > >voting age population does not vote in presidential elections, and that > >those who do are disproportionately white and privileged. In fact, over >the > >last forty years, voter turnout in the U.S. has been falling steadily, > >especially among the least privileged. > > In the face of such a reality, it would seem that the only > >appropriate response is outrage. In this regard, the Nader campaign > >performed a service that has been long overdue. It relentlessly drew > >attention to the fundamental problems confronting the country and >demanded > >that they be addressed. The Democrats, by contrast, steadfastly avoided > >discussion of these problems and their own role in causing them. So too >did > >many of their supporters on the left. Indeed, rather than a > >�lesser-of-two-evils� approach to the election, what many progressives > >engaged in can more accurately be described as one of �see no evil, hear >no > >evil, speak no evil.� In reality, the Democrats, especially under the > >Clinton-Gore administration, have veered significantly to the right, > >adopting core Republican positions as their own and in some cases going > >further with them than the Republicans had been able to do themselves. >The > >most notorious example of this is the 1996 welfare reform bill, which > >gutted one of the central accomplishments of the New Deal. > >But there are many others, including a hard-line approach to crime and >drug > >abuse that has led to a doubling of the prison population in the last >eight > >years, an enthusiastic embrace of the death penalty despite the > >overwhelming evidence that it kills innocent people and is racially > >discriminatory, an obsession with balanced budgets that has depended upon > >cuts in social spending, a foreign policy that was as militaristic and > >anti-humanitarian as that of its Republican predecessors while even more > >devoted to advancing the economic interests of Wall Street and corporate > >America, and an environmental record that was so bad as to prompt David > >Brower to conclude that �Gore and Clinton have done more to harm the > >environment than Reagan and Bush combined.� Under Clinton and Gore, the > >Democrats also became far more adept at corporate fund-raising, > >significantly closing the gap with their Republican rivals. And not > >surprisingly, inequality continued to grow, despite the vaunted economic > >expansion of the 1990s. > >The list is longer, but this should have been enough to produce outrage >on > >the part of progressives. Such outrage, however, was in amazingly short > >supply. Nor was there much anger over the fact that there was a >systematic > >effort to silence the one candidate who was attempting to draw attention >to > >the administration�s abysmal record, Ralph Nader. Indeed, throughout most > >of the summer of 2000, Gore and his supporters worked hard to deny Nader >a > >national forum. They were aided in this effort by the national media, >which > >largely ignored him. To the degree that the media did cover his campaign, > >it was to portray him as a �spoiler,� never to report on the substance of > >his positions. In the early fall, with Gore trailing in the polls, the > >media and the Democrats did begin to pay more attention to Nader, but >only > >to vilify him as a destructive egotist and to insist that there was no > >alternative to �the Party.� Simultaneously, the distortion of the > >Democrats� and Gore�s record reached new heights. Gore was consistently > >portrayed as a champion of civil rights, labor rights, women�s rights, >the > >environment, and gay rights. Given Gore�s appalling record in all of >these > >areas, this was a particularly cynical effort. It was all the more >cynical > >given the Gore supporters� indignation over Nader�s supposed exaggeration > >of the similarities between Bush and Gore. In truth, Nader did >exaggerate, > >but not by much and certainly far less than the Gore supporters in >claiming > >a difference between the two candidates. > >In their lionizing of Gore, his supporters somehow forgot about his 84% > >pro-life voting record, his steadfast support for free trade, his close > >ties to tobacco and oil companies and weapons manufacturers, his efforts >to > >end affirmative action for federal contractors through his �reinventing > >government� program, his repeated betrayal of pledges to protect the > >environment, and his long history as a gay basher. Also forgotten was the > >fact that it was Gore who first race-baited Dukakis in the 1988 >Democratic > >primaries with the Willie Horton story and who made it a personal mission > >to undermine the Jackson campaign in the 1988 New York primary. There was > >also little reaction when Gore openly bragged about his support for the > >death penalty, his key role in pushing through the 1996 Welfare Reform > >Bill, his unbending support for sanctions on Iraq and military aid to > >Colombia, or his call for an increase in defense spending twice that > >proposed by Bush. Nor was there much reaction when he chose Joseph > >Lieberman (one of the most conservative and pro-business members of the > >Senate) as his running mate and former Commerce Secretary William Daley >(a > >leading figure in the administration�s effort to promote free trade) as >his > >campaign chair person. And there was a deafening silence when Lieberman > >declared to the Wall Street Journal that big business need not worry >about > >the semi-populist elements of Gore�s convention speech, since it was >simply > >rhetoric designed to win votes. > >The response of most Gore backers to the outcome of the election has been > >consistent with their attitude during the campaign, as they have heaped > >considerable abuse on Nader as one of the two culprits who denied Gore >his > >rightful victory, the other being Bush�s allies on the U.S. Supreme >Court. > >While there is strong evidence for the latter, the former claim is yet > >another example of denying reality. Unfortunately, in the hierarchy of > >reasons explaining Gore�s �defeat,� Nader ranks quite low. Far more > >significant was the fundamental weakness of the Gore campaign itself, >which > >was unable to win even Gore�s home state of Tennessee or Clinton�s home > >state of Arkansas. This weakness was perhaps in part a negative reaction >to > >Clinton�s personal behavior and the odd perception that Bush was the > >candidate with greater personal integrity. But it more likely reflected >the > >fact that there were so few discernible differences between the two main > >candidates on bread and butter economic issues, particularly to the white > >working class. Indeed, voter turnout was the third lowest in the last 75 > >years. To be sure, there was a slight increase over 1996 (from 49% to >51%), > >but the class composition of the turnout was if anything more skewed than > >ever in favor of the upper 20% of income earners. Moreover, one of the >main > >reasons for the increased turnout was Nader. In fact, in several states, >he > >helped to elect Democratic congressional candidates. > >While a few Democrats have acknowledged the positive role played by >Nader, > >most have treated him as a pariah. In striking contrast to their posture > >toward the new administration, which they have welcomed in a remarkably > >�bipartisan� manner, they have been determined to deny Nader any > >opportunity to weigh in on policy debates in which they are presumably on > >the same side. There are two basic motivations for this posture. One is >to > >deny their own culpability in their party�s defeat and the sorry state of > >the nation. And the other is to send a message to anyone who dares to >offer > >a progressive alternative to the Democrats that they will pay heavily. > >Ironically, Nader in this way performed yet another service by exposing >the > >Democratic Party for what it is. Indeed, if there were reason to be > >skeptical about the party�s democratic convictions prior to this >election, > >their analysis of the election outcome has provided further reason for > >doubt. > >How Did We Get Here? > >Thus, if we are serious about achieving progressive change, we have to > >engage in a more candid and critical assessment of our contemporary > >reality. But we also need to understand how we got here. For without an > >accurate assessment of what led us to our present circumstances, we are > >likely to continue down the same path, with the same or worse results. > >Clearly, many of the same factors are in play, as social, economic, and > >political inequalities have a way of perpetuating themselves. However, a > >major part of the explanation for what got us here once again lies with >the > >Democratic Party. In this respect, Nader again did a far better job of > >assessing reality than Gore. But Nader was actually too soft on the > >Democrats, repeatedly suggesting that they had departed from their > >progressive roots. The reality is that the Democratic Party never had >such > >roots and was never a champion of the rights of working people and racial > >minorities. > >During the twentieth century, there have been only two moments when the > >Democrats have presided over major progressive change: the New Deal of >FDR > >and the Great Society programs of Lyndon Johnson. Two conclusions can be > >drawn from these experiences. One is that only pressure from below has >ever > >moved the Democrats in a progressive direction. The second is that the > >lengths to which they can be moved are greatly limited by their ties to >big > >business interests. In both instances, the Democrats were forced to >accept > >change in response to massive popular mobilization. And in both cases, >for > >a variety of reasons, important segments of business were willing to > >tolerate some degree of progressive change. However, that willingness was > >both limited and short-lived. In fact, many of the more far-reaching > >initiatives, particularly under the New Deal, were never realized, while > >many of the accomplishments were quickly subjected to attack and, before > >long, reversal. In the case of the New Deal, the possibilities for change > >were also severely limited by the key role played by southern racists in > >the party. > >Particularly over the last 25-30 years, these two factors have changed in > >such a way as to cause the Democratic Party to move ever more rightward. > >The labor movement, which was the most important popular impetus behind >the > >New Deal, has grown steadily weaker since the mid-1950s and has assumed a > >largely conservative posture. Moreover, with the exception of the 1972 > >presidential election, it has given its support to the Democrats > >unconditionally. Meanwhile, African Americans, whose mass mobilization > >during the 1950s and 1960s was the driving force behind Johnson�s Great > >Society programs and triggered the departure of most of the party�s > >southern racist contingent, have since become a demobilized and captured > >constituency. As a result, the capacity of both groups to influence the > >direction of the Democratic Party has diminished significantly. > >Simultaneously, the party has grown increasingly dependent upon big > >business, which itself has grown less and less tolerant of even the most > >moderate proposals for change. This process became most evident in the > >early 1980s following the election of Ronald Reagan and the establishment > >of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in early 1985. Founded by a > >group of primarily southern conservative Democrats, the DLC set out to >move > >the Party to the right by strengthening its ties to business, while > >distancing it from labor, African Americans, and the poor. This effort >came > >to fruition in 1992 with the election of Clinton and Gore and was further > >consolidated with the nomination of Gore and Lieberman in 2000. > > The DLC�s main argument for pushing the party to the right is >that > >the country itself has moved rightward and that in order to win >elections, > >the party needs to respond to what the voters want. A corollary to this > >argument is that the Republicans have also moved to the right and that >the > >Democrats must do whatever it takes to keep them out of the White House, > >including following in their footsteps. But there is virtually no >substance > >to this argument. Survey data indicate that, if anything, the American > >electorate has become more, not less, �liberal� in its attitudes. In >fact, > >to the degree that Americans have come to oppose government activism, it > >has not been because they are hostile to government action to the > >contrary, they believe that the government should be actively involved in > >problem-solving but rather because they have become disillusioned with >the > >government�s capacity for problem-solving. Much of that disillusionment, > >moreover, can be attributed to the Democrats, who for decades have grown > >increasingly unwilling or unable to respond to the economic aspirations >of > >poor and working class voters and instead have responded to the demands >of > >the wealthy. > > Furthermore, rather than simply responding to the rightward >shift > >of the Republicans, the Democrats have at times initiated the move to the > >right. Indeed, it was the Carter administration that launched >Reaganomics, > >fully two years before Reagan came into office. And it is no surprise >that > >Carter lost to Reagan in 1980, with Carter offering such a dismal option >to > >the working class. Once Reagan was in office, the Democrats also went out > >of their way to accommodate his policy initiatives, giving him bigger tax > >cuts and increases in military spending than he had asked for, and much >of > >what he requested in social spending cuts. And rather than responding to > >the growing discontent among the poor, working class, and racial > >minorities, they instead engaged in a heightened competition with the > >Republicans for gaining the backing of business. > >The 1984 campaign of Walter Mondale was itself a revealing case study of > >the party�s increasing domination by business and its growing distance >from > >its popular electoral constituencies. Particularly striking was the > >campaign�s deliberate efforts to limit voter turnout among the poor and > >racial minorities, for fear that it would strengthen the candidacy of >Jesse > >Jackson. Even after winning the nomination, Mondale continued to oppose > >registration efforts despite a 250-page study written by his aides that > >concluded that �the only way Mondale can win is by pitching his appeal to > >the white working class and minorities.� The main problem, of course, was > >the effect such an appeal would have on the Party�s business backers. > >Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers described the situation well: > >As the Mondale campaign made clear, virtually no Democratic business >group > >has a stake in expanding the party�s mass base. To gain the support of > >millions and millions of poor nonvoters and marginally identifying blue- > >and white-collar workers, the Democrats would actually have to offer them > >something perhaps a progressive tax code, or full employment, or > >unionization with real power for the rank and file, or enhanced social > >programs. [But] the party�s dominant business elites are not prepared to >do > >this. > >Constrained by his business backers, Mondale thus offered nothing to >those > >voters who could have given the Democrats a victory. Instead, he offered > >only fiscal restraint and a promise to increase taxes. Coupled with one >of > >the largest political business cycles ever engineered, this was enough to > >produce a landslide victory for Reagan. In the wake of this defeat, party > >leaders saw it as an opportunity to push even harder for the strategy >that > >had produced it. Indeed, it was in early 1985 that the DLC was founded. > >Moreover, instead of rewarding Jesse Jackson with greater influence for >his > >loyalty to the party and the new voters he recruited, the white >Democratic > >establishment (in a preview of their treatment of Nader in 2000) >viciously > >scape-goated him for losing the election. In 1986, party nominating rules > >were also re-written in an effort to �moderate� the party�s image and > >advance a candidate that could appeal to conservative white voters. > >It was not until 1992, however, that the DLC succeeded in getting one of > >its own elected in the person of Bill Clinton. But Clinton�s victory >should > >not be seen as a vindication of the DLC�s conservative strategy. Clinton > >received fewer votes than Dukakis had in 1988 and would never have won if > >not for an economic recession and the presence of a strong third >candidate, > >Ross Perot, who received millions of votes from the very voting bloc that > >has abandoned the Democrats in droves over the last 25 years: low-income > >whites. Apparently oblivious to the real significance of the election, > >Clinton very quickly dedicated his administration to the service of > >business interests, thereby producing the fiasco of the 1994 >congressional > >elections, in which a rightwing Republican cabal took control of the > >Congress. Continuing the pattern established by his party since 1980, > >Clinton responded to this outcome by turning even more to the right. >Aided > >once again by the presence of Ross Perot, a less than stimulating > >Republican candidate in Bob Dole, and the fact that the Congressional > >Republicans that he had set out to imitate had become thoroughly > >discredited, Clinton was able to win reelection in 1996. Voter turnout, > >however, was the lowest since 1924. Given this history, it was not > >particularly surprising that the 2000 Democratic ticket consisted of Gore > >and Lieberman, two darlings of the DLC. It was also not surprising that > >Gore, despite benefiting from an unprecedented economic expansion, ran a > >very close and uninspired race against George W. Bush, arguably the least > >prepared presidential candidate during this century. And it came as no > >shock that the southerner Gore did abysmally in the south and that the > >Democratic leadership made no effort to challenge the disenfranchisement >of > >African American voters in Florida and instead worked to diffuse their > >protests. > >The Democrats, then, have played a major role in producing the >increasingly > >rightward shift of politics in the United States. By adopting Republican > >policy positions, they have legitimated those positions and enabled the > >Republicans to move ever farther to the right, with little fear of >becoming > >politically marginal. When in power, moreover, they more effectively > >realize Republican policies by paralyzing groups that are reluctant to > >oppose a Democratic President. And by alienating low-income voters, they > >pave the way for Republican victories. As Jesse Jackson Jr. recently put > >it, the move down this path has been �aided by Democrats. In 1992 a > >conservative Democrat, Bill Clinton, selected an even more conservative > >running mate, Al Gore, who in 2000 selected an even more conservative > >running mate, Joseph Lieberman. By helping to shift the Democratic Party > >and the country further right, a very conservative George W. Bush could > >select an ultraconservative Dick Cheney as his running mate and win.� > > > >Where Do We Want to Go? > >Now that we have a better sense of where we are and how we got here, the > >next task is to figure out where we want to go. How we answer this >question > >may be the most critical task of all, since it will dictate how we act. > >Indeed, in addressing this question, we are beginning to speak more > >directly about strategy. This is because strategic action consists of two > >basic elements: conceiving of a vision of the future; and devising a >series > >of steps aimed at getting there. Without a vision of the future, >political > >action is aimless and very unlikely to be successful. It certainly is not > >strategic in any meaningful sense of the word. > > Unfortunately, the American left has by and large ignored this > >question. The vast majority of us have little sense of where we want to >go > >or of the future we would like to bring into being. At least, we do not > >devote much discussion to it and we certainly do not make the effort to > >think systematically about what it would take to make it a reality. > >Instead, the greater part of our political activity, by far, is devoted >to > >reaction, to opposing or trying to limit the worst effects of things we >do > >not want, rather than to working proactively to construct an alternative > >reality. Our political orientation is heavily geared toward the short >term, > >with our highest goal set on winning the next election. More often than > >not, we find ourselves in a defensive holding action, and we devote >little > >thought to the long-term implications of our actions. > >We also make very little effort to influence the program of the political > >organizations and elected officials who presumably represent us. Indeed, >we > >demonstrate an extraordinary willingness to demand, and accept, very >little > >from them, and we tolerate a political dialogue that is superficial and > >even repressive. Again, there was perhaps no better example of this than > >the treatment of Nader in the 2000 election. Instead of welcoming a > >candidate who offered an unusually elaborate and straightforward program > >for change, even if only because of the effect that discussion of that > >program could have on our national political debate, far too many of us > >were willing to stand by and let the focus be trained entirely on his > >supposed role as a �spoiler.� His program, meanwhile, was systematically > >ignored, if not suppressed. > >To some degree, the defensive posture of American progressives is very > >understandable, particularly since we inhabit an environment in which our > >enemies are strong and determined to implement very undesirable > >initiatives. The irony, however, is that by focusing so much attention on > >containing our enemies, rather than on conceptualizing and working toward > >the construction of a better society, we can end up hastening the > >realization of the very things we oppose. This is because we are more > >likely to find ourselves losing sight of and compromising our positive > >goals and thus allowing for the kind of scenario described above, in >which > >the Democratic Party can pull us ever more rightward, because the > >Republicans, themselves aided by the Democrats, are always a little >worse. > >We can therefore easily find ourselves in a vicious, downward spiral in > >which our actions serve only to reinforce a continual worsening of > >conditions. > >None of this is to say that we should refrain from being negative, in the > >sense of engaging in a critique of contemporary society. Our vision of a > >positive alternative reality is very much contained in our critique of > >things as they are, since the nature and depth of that critique will >point > >to what it is that we seek to change and how much of a change we seek to > >achieve. One vision of the future, based for example on the critique > >advanced in the first section of this article, might be characterized as > >social democratic or perhaps democratic socialist. This would involve > >constructing a society in which inequalities of wealth and income are > >limited, poverty is all but nonexistent, health care is universal, >taxation > >is progressive, racial minorities, women, and gays are full members of > >society, unions are powerful and democratic, the death penalty is > >abolished, the prison population is vastly outnumbered by the university > >student population, foreign policy is humanitarian and democratic, the > >defense budget is geared toward defense and thus radically reduced, the > >environment is strongly protected, the media permit an open and wide > >ranging political debate, political campaigns are publicly financed, and > >the party system provides a wide range of political options, including >some > >that represent the least privileged members of society. > >Of course, many may not feel comfortable with this kind of social > >democratic or democratic socialist vision and would prefer a future that >is > >not such a departure from our present circumstances. Some may wish to >work > >for only one or two of these objectives and may be very willing to > >sacrifice the remainder in order to accomplish them. These differences >may > >tell us as much about who we are as anything else. Some of us clearly > >benefit a great deal from our current conditions and thus are less > >interested in seeing such changes realized. But even among those who do >not > >define our interests so narrowly, there will be major differences. >Indeed, > >the democratization of society will unavoidably require the construction >of > >a diverse coalition of interests, many of which may not easily join >forces > >with each other, but which can nevertheless find enough common ground to > >advance a mutually beneficial program of change. On the other hand, our > >failure to embrace a program of change may have nothing to do with our > >interests, and instead reflect the nature of our expectations. In other > >words, some of us may have simply given up on the possibility of change >and > >do not consider the above vision of the future as a feasible or realistic > >one, however desirable it may be. But whatever our particular response to > >this question, the fact remains that unless and until we address it, >there > >is little or no chance that we will move forward, wherever or however far > >we end up deciding we want to go. With that in mind, we turn now to the > >fourth and final question. > >How Do We Get There? > >This may be the most difficult question of all, since it is a lot easier >to > >engage in a critique of contemporary society, or elaborate a vision of a > >future society, than it is to come up with a viable strategy for moving > >forward. It is also likely the question on which we have reflected with >the > >least care. This was clearly illustrated in the 2000 election, and in > >particular in the analysis offered by the backers of Gore. To review, >that > >analysis consisted of the claim that the only real option was to vote for > >Gore, given that Nader was not going to win and that Gore, however > >undesirable, was preferable to Bush. The mantra of the Gore campaign was > >therefore �a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush� and anyone who did not > >understand this was labeled as strategically unsophisticated, > >irresponsible, and even destructive. While voting for Gore was touted as >an > >eminently strategic act, voting for Nader was seen at best as a symbolic > >action, or a protest vote, certainly not one informed by a strategic > >understanding of the stakes involved. However, just as the Gore >supporters > >never reflected on where we are, how we got here, or where we want to go, > >they never carefully examined this claim to strategic insight. Their > >critique of Nader supporters, it turns out, would have been more > >appropriately applied to themselves. > >In the first place, the focus of the pro-Gore option was entirely > >short-term in character. It was at best a defensive maneuver with no real > >end game yet another holding action designed to prevent a Republican >from > >assuming office and totally devoid of any proposal for what to do the day > >after the election. At virtually no point did anyone consider, much less > >explain, how voting for Gore fit into a long-term strategy of bringing > >about progressive change. In reality, there were basically only three > >reasons for voting for Gore, only two of which made any real sense. One > >reason is that you benefit from the existing inequalities in US society >and > >understand that voting for Gore would help to preserve, if not increase, > >those inequalities. This group actually behaved in a very strategically > >rational manner and, of course, was well represented among those who > >contributed so generously to Gore�s campaign. A second reason is that >while > >you dislike what Gore and the Democrats have come to represent, you have > >largely given up hope that there will ever be any better option. This too > >is rational, though it is very cynical and can hardly be called >strategic. > >The final reason is that while you dislike Gore and the Democrats, you > >believe (or hold out hope) that voting for Gore is somehow consistent >with > >getting something better than Gore. This reason is also not strategic and > >the rationality behind it is dubious at best. > >This last group of voters in particular made very little effort to >examine > >the long-term implications of their actions. If they had, they might have > >realized what was the very best-case scenario of the vote-for-Gore >option: > >a Gore victory in 2000; his reelection in 2004 (because the same logic of > >preventing a Republican victory would have prevailed and the best >candidate > >for that is an incumbent President); a victory by Lieberman in 2008 (as >the > >heir apparent); and Lieberman�s reelection in 2012. It bears repeating >that > >this would have been the very best-case scenario, a quarter century of > >Clinton, Gore, and Lieberman. Not only would this have been unlikely; had > >it occurred, it would also have dealt a severe blow to the chances of > >constructing a progressive future. That is, unless it finally provided > >indisputable evidence to enough Democratic Party loyalists that a third > >party alternative was now necessary. This, however, is a �things have to > >get worse before they get better� scenario that is neither promising nor > >desirable. > > A closely related failure was the Gore backers� basic > >misunderstanding of the difference between long-term and short-term >costs. > >They aggressively reprimanded Nader supporters for supposedly ignoring >the > >costs of their actions, particularly the costs borne by the weakest >members > >of society who would pay most dearly for a Bush victory. This argument >has > >a powerful emotional appeal, as it touches upon what should be at the >very > >center of our political decision-making the effects that our actions >have > >on the weakest among us. No one backing Nader should have taken this > >argument lightly. Yet, it artificially absolves the Gore backers of their > >own responsibility by failing to consider the long-term costs of their > >actions. If we are really concerned about people who are suffering and >want > >to be certain that our decisions do the least harm to them, we cannot >focus > >only on the short-term. We also have to consider the harm that will be >done > >to them in the long term. We must ask ourselves whether the actions > >designed to minimize short-term costs produce far greater costs in the > >long-term by foregoing the possibility of future change. In other words, > >will those actions reduce the likelihood that the weakest among us will > >become full members of society and realize their life chances? These > >questions (which are more relevant than ever in light of the recent > >evolution of the Democratic Party), were virtually never raised, much >less > >addressed, by the supporters of Al Gore. > > It deserves noting that no significant social change was ever > >accomplished anywhere by focusing exclusively on short-term costs. >Indeed, > >it is no exaggeration to state that in every case of significant social, > >political, and economic progress in the history of human existence, the > >protagonists of change have had to reject the argument that they should >be > >careful and not rock the boat, because the balance of forces is against > >them, things are unlikely to get better, and they can easily get worse. > >That reality has not changed. The truth is that, much like the periods > >preceding significant social change in the past, we are engulfed in an > >increasingly severe vicious circle (or downward spiral). By definition, > >breaking free of any vicious circle has significant short-term costs, but > >the longer the decision to break free is put off, the more costly (and > >hence unlikely) it becomes. Those who seek to democratize society must > >confront this basic strategic dilemma head on. Their fear that a rupture > >with the status quo may be too costly is very understandable, but they >must > >also understand that by exercising excessive prudence, they will >contribute > >to the perpetuation of current conditions and preclude the possibility of > >future change. What it comes down to, then, is the kind of >self-fulfilling > >prophecy we choose to be a part of one that maintains conditions as they > >are, or one that builds toward an alternative future. > > Yet another strategic weakness exhibited by the Gore backers was > >their fundamental misunderstanding of what it takes to prevail in >politics. > >At an abstract level, the answer of course is power, the capacity to >force > >others to act in a way that they would not otherwise. But what does this > >mean practically? In electoral politics, it means being willing to deny > >support to parties and candidates, even at the risk of causing them to >lose > >and helping to elect something or someone worse. The Senate Democrats� >role > >in the recent confirmation of Bush�s cabinet appointments illustrates the > >point. Presented with some of the most reactionary appointments in recent > >memory, the Democrats made little or no effort to oppose them. In fact, > >most were confirmed unanimously. Disturbed by this weak response, some > >Democratic loyalists reacted in anger. For example, Patricia Ireland, the > >president of NOW, declared: �There is a fairly angry and experienced >crowd > >of activists who can be mobilized to bring a lot of public pressure, > >mainly, in my view, on the Democrats to keep the Democrats from folding > >into the center-right agenda.� In a similar vein, Julian Bond, the > >president of the NAACP, stated: �Democrats need to know that their votes > >are monitored just as the Republicans� votes are monitored.� But these > >statements beg some very fundamental questions. How does one keep the > >Democrats from folding into the center-right? What is the point of > >monitoring votes if one lacks the capacity to sanction those votes? What > >form would those sanctions take? Are these credible threats then? In >truth, > >the only way to ensure that the Democrats do the right thing is to put >the > >fear of losing in them. But like so many others, both Ireland and Bond >have > >made it so clear that they prefer anything to the Republicans that they > >have no real leverage on the Democrats. The only way to gain leverage >would > >be to make their support conditional, which means being willing to cause > >them to lose their seats, and neither is willing to do that. > > At least Ireland and Bond recognize the Democrats� culpability. > >Far more of those who backed Gore have reacted to the Bush appointments >by > >claiming that they provide clear proof that voting for Gore was the >correct > >thing to do. But the logic underpinning this argument is very cynical. It > >rests fundamentally on the claim that we have no choice but to vote the > >Democrats into the White House because we cannot trust them to use the > >power at their disposal to do the right thing in the Congress. It thus > >comes down to a form of blackmail: �If you don�t vote for our candidate, > >we�ll stand aside and unleash a right-winger on the country.� This is why > >the frequent invocation of Supreme Court Justices Scalia and Thomas >during > >the election rang so hollow. Somehow overlooked was the fact that the > >Democrats stood by and let those appointments go through when they had >the > >power to block them. None of this, of course, is particularly novel. It >is > >simply a continuation of a pattern that has been gaining momentum for > >several decades. > > So much for the strategic shortcomings of the Gore backers. What > >about the Nader/Green option? Did it really represent a promising > >alternative, one that could serve as the basis for a new progressive > >political movement? In many respects, it did, and perhaps still does. In > >the first place, Nader was unmistakably the most progressive presidential > >candidate to come along in at least a half century, if not longer. He > >offered a program that not only addressed many of the country�s deepest > >problems, but offered concrete proposals for dealing with them. He was >thus > >the first candidate in decades to advance a clear vision of the future >that > >progressives could enthusiastically embrace. He also demonstrated a solid > >grasp of what it takes to get there, including an understanding of how > >power functions and is distributed in this society, the differences >between > >short- and long-term costs, and the crucial role of social mobilization. > >Indeed, in this last regard, he has strong links to the social forces >that > >emerged in the Seattle demonstrations in November 1999, probably the most > >significant instance of mass social mobilization to materialize in >decades. > >Moreover, although he has never been elected to political office, he has > >long experience in working with Congress and has an impressive list of > >legislative accomplishments, certainly far more impressive than almost >any > >member of Congress. > > All of this suggests that if one were to opt for a third party > >candidate, this was going to be the time. If progressives remained >hesitant > >in the face of this unique historical opportunity, and were even willing >to > >actively undermine it by voting for Gore, it therefore likely meant that > >they are fundamentally pessimistic about the prospects for a viable third > >party emerging. But shouldn�t they be? Isn�t the history of third party > >efforts in the U.S. pretty terrible? And isn�t this primarily because our > >electoral system is simply inhospitable to third parties? Moreover, >doesn�t > >it make more sense to work at the local level, and establish a third >party > >presence there, before launching a campaign at the presidential level >where > >the stakes are so high? In any case, isn�t the Green Party badly >organized > >and therefore not a particularly promising vehicle? And haven�t Nader and > >the Greens failed to reach out to African Americans and other people of > >color, a crucial constituency in any progressive movement? For all of >these > >reasons, would it not therefore make more sense to try to work through >the > >Democratic Party? > > The truth is that the history of third party efforts in the U.S. > >is terrible and it does have a great deal to do with the nature of our > >electoral system. But this is not a reason to abandon all future efforts. > >Indeed, the immutable status we give to our electoral system is actually > >quite mind-boggling. Somehow, many of us are capable of condemning the >most > >deep-seated socio-economic problems, but when it comes to a destructive > >institutional feature of our political system, we accept it as permanent, > >almost as though it were part of the natural order of things. This >attitude > >is all the more astounding given the enormous benefits electoral reforms > >such as proportional representation or even instant run-off voting would > >instantly produce (e.g., a widening of our political options, greatly > >expanded participation, and the elimination of the �spoiler� effect) and > >the very fertile terrain for electoral reform created by the Florida > >debacle. Ironically, it is even possible to take advantage of the current > >electoral system to advance such reforms. In fact, the two states where >IRV > >is being seriously considered are precisely those states where a strong > >third party has created a spoiler effect: New Mexico and Alaska. In both > >cases, it is the party that has been transformed from a winner into a >loser > >(the Democrats in New Mexico and the Republicans in Alaska) that is most > >interested in reform here we see how �losing� can be a positive force >for > >change. There is no reason, moreover, why this cannot also be >accomplished > >at the national level, since the logic behind it is unaffected by scale. > > Any effort to establish a third party should also involve a >great > >deal of work at the local level. However, this does not preclude >launching > >a national, presidential campaign. Rather than being mutually exclusive > >strategies, they can be mutually reinforcing. A good example of this is > >Madison, Wisconsin, where an already strong local party, Progressive >Dane, > >made a strategic decision to get involved in the Nader campaign precisely > >because of the benefits it would have for building their organization. >And > >as a result, they have experienced a surge of hundreds of new, very > >actively engaged members. One reason this makes sense is the >de-politicized > >nature of our political culture. Unfortunately, most Americans, to the > >degree we are at all interested in politics, focus on the national level. > >In other words, only a national, presidential campaign has the capacity >of > >politicizing people rapidly. It is highly unlikely, for example, that the > >tens of thousands of enthusiastic people who paid $10 each to attend > >Nader�s �super rallies� would have been similarly inspired and energized >in > >the absence of the Nader campaign. Thus, rather than slowly building a > >local presence all across the country before launching a national >campaign, > >it makes more sense to jump-start the whole process by advancing both > >efforts simultaneously. > > The Green Party is also not particularly well organized or > >experienced, and in fact, suffers from some not insignificant divisions. > >But this is also not a sufficient reason to write it off. Arguing that we > >cannot opt for a third party until such a party is strong, well >organized, > >and experienced is to create a catch-22. If our involvement is essential >to > >building such a party, waiting until it emerges before we lend it our > >support is to ensure its demise. In any case, there is no reason to stake > >our hopes on the Green Party as the only possible third party >alternative. > >It is simply a vehicle, and a rather open one at that. The same is true >of > >Nader. In fact, we should be very wary of attaching our political agenda > >too closely to any individual. But no matter where we begin, we will have > >to confront the reality that organizations are weak in their infancy. In > >order to attain the strength of adulthood, they require substantial > >nurturing, not a wait-and-see attitude. > > Nader and the Greens also did a very poor job of reaching out to > >people of color, probably the greatest weakness of their campaign. In >fact, > >it was not until very late in the game that Nader began to address their > >concerns explicitly. And not surprisingly, he did poorly among minority > >voters. Yet, there is no significant reason why this cannot change. >Despite > >Nader�s limited efforts in this regard, he focused far more directly on > >issues of concern to minority voters than Gore did, including support for > >affirmative action, an end to racial profiling, an end to the war on >drugs, > >abolition of the death penalty, closing the racial wealth gap, and even > >reparations for slavery. Much of his poor showing among those voters thus > >had as much to do with the suppression of his message as the failure to > >deliver it more effectively. Moreover, unlike the Democratic Party, in > >which there are major structural obstacles to advancing a program that > >addresses the needs of people of color, there are no such obstacles in >the > >Green Party. > > But despite all this, shouldn�t Nader have sought to advance his > >progressive agenda through the Democratic Party instead, given that it is > >organizationally more developed and still has the most significant > >progressive following of any political party? A number of people have in > >fact advanced this argument, including Representative Barney Frank of > >Massachusetts. Invariably, they point to Jesse Jackson as the best model >of > >what can be accomplished. This is a curious choice of models, however, > >since Jackson�s experience is a far better example of the limitations of > >the Democratic Party. As noted above, Jackson�s rainbow coalition set off > >alarm bells in the party and the current political leadership went to >great > >lengths to ensure that it was defeated. Recent developments, moreover, > >suggest that the chances of such an effort succeeding are more limited >than > >ever (e.g., the naming of super fundraiser Terry McAuliffe as the new > >chairman of the Democratic National Committee and the DLC�s insistence >that > >a main reason for Gore�s defeat was his excessively populist campaign). > >None of this rules out the possibility of progressives taking control of > >the party. That possibility, however, is extremely small and it would > >require somehow surmounting the overwhelming and growing power that >moneyed > >interests have in the party. It would also require a radical change in > >strategy on the part of progressive Democrats. Ironically, perhaps the >one > >factor that could significantly strengthen their leverage vis-�-vis their > >internal party rivals is the emergence of a strong third political party. > > > > > >Notes > > > > John Nichols, �The Great Debate. Nader Has Inspired Bitter Debates on >the > >Left. Isn�t it Terrific?,� In These Times, November 13, 2000. > > Quoted in Alexander Cockburn and Jeffery St. Clair, Al Gore: A User�s > >Manual (London: Verso, 2000). > > On media coverage of the Nader campaign, see Ralph Nader, �My Untold > >Story,� Brill�s Content, February 2001, and Robert McChesney, et al., >�The > >Nader Campaign and the Future of U.S. Left Electoral Politics,� Monthly > >Review, Vol. 52, No. 9, February 2001. > > See for example the extraordinary letter by Representative John Conyers > >to The Nation (November 20, 2000). > > Aside from the large-scale disenfranchisement of African American >voters, > >a big part of the reason Gore lost the all-important state of Florida was > >the vast number of Democrats and self-described liberals who voted for > >Bush. In fact, while 24,000 Democrats voted for Nader, more than twelve > >times as many (308,000) voted for Bush, and among self-described >liberals, > >the ratio was 191,000 to 34,000 (or nearly 6 to 1). Bush also beat Gore > >among white women (53% to 44%) and voters 65 and older (51% to 47%) (see > >Jim Hightower, �How Florida Democrats Torpedoed Gore,� in Salon.com, > >November 27, 2000). Similar trends prevailed nationwide (see the CNN exit > >poll at www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html). In fact, >according > >to a Voter News Service exit poll, only 47% of the Nader voters would >have > >voted for Gore in a two-way race, while 21% would have voted for Bush and > >30% would not have voted at all. > > William Greider, �Nader and the Politics of Fear,� The Nation, March >12, > >2001. > > Ibid. > > Thomas Ferguson and Joel Rogers, Right Turn: The Decline of the >Democrats > >and the Future of American Politics (New York: Hill and Wang, 1986). > > Ruy Teixeira and Joel Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority: Why the >White > >Working Class Still Matters (New York: Basic Books, 2000). > > Carter won only 48% of the union vote and only 44% of the working class > >vote. Deepening a process that had gained momentum throughout the decade, > >there was also a dramatic decrease in voter turnout among lower-class > >groups. Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t > >Vote and Why Politicians Want it That Way (Boston: Beacon Press, 2000), > >pp.116, 121-125. > > Piven and Cloward, Why Americans Still Don�t Vote, p.150. > > Ferguson and Rogers, Right Turn, p.202. > > Teixera and Rogers, America�s Forgotten Majority. > > Jesse Jackson Jr., �George Bush�s Democrats,� The Nation, January 22, > >2001. > > Ruth Conniff, �Cancel the Honeymoon,� The Progressive, February 2001. > > Ibid. > > This may also explain why no one reacted when Joseph Lieberman declared > >on national television a week before the election that he would have >voted > >to confirm Robert Bork if he had been a Senator at the time. Houston > >Chronicle, October 30, 2000. > > �Ruth Conniff referees a match between Barney Frank and Ralph Nader,� >The > >Progressive, November 2000. > > Recently, Robert Reich has become so disillusioned as to conclude that > >the Democratic Party is dead. See �The Democrats Aren�t �Just Resting�,� > >Washington Post, March 11, 2001. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ben Manski > > Green Party of the United States > > Steering Committee > > manski@... > > http://www.gp-us.org/ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >coalitionforjustice-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
im me, h-fraud. recognize. tho theres steady mystery about who you claim to be... 'evidence' that you pushed 'boycott as revolutionary' in '96 clinton/dole race, &claimed contradictions between were 'more apparent than real'? for real? as witness, the 10odd other members of the 'unity&struggle' study group from which you arranged my secret expulsion in summer '96, for exposing yr pro-republican schemes. also the '96 'special issue' (fraudulent) u&s 'boycott!' leaflet which you published w/o knowledge of u&s editors modibo & baraka, &according to them, in subversive violation of u&s position: 'attack clinton/defeat dole!' (smash schundler/keep mcgreasy in the fire; peoples' war on the right! &tc.) 'missive'? its all jigga (todays shakespeare). holla. i do this for my culture let em know how to move in a room full of vultures industrys shady-need to be takin over niggas say you owe us for all the years that you hoed us we can talk but money talks so talk mo bucks im from the streets where the hoods is swallowin me bullets is followin me so much coke that you could run a slalom cops comb the shit top to bottom they say we are prone to violence but its home sweet home where personalities clash and chrome meets chrome chizzill my nizzil nothins personal, clizziff *see how this joker moves to expel me, then tries to engage (bait?) me? >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] rules needed >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:38:00 -0400 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:36 AM >Subject: RE: [onepeoplesproject] rules needed > > > > i dont like fraudulent theories which help bush against the people. > > nothins personal. > > > >All right, Cliff. You start off a letter with "all eyes on hunger-fraud the >'judas-goat'." Then you have the brass to say "nothins personal." (sic) > >It reminds me of what Lenin calls "the 'always say no' trick: 'I'm not me; >the horse isn't mine; I'm not the driver. We're not Economists; Rabochaya >Mysl doesn't stand for Economism; there is no Economism at all in Russia.' >This is a remarkably adroit and 'politicking' trick, which suffers from the >slight defect, however, that the publications practicing it are usually >nicknamed: 'Anything you wish, sir.'" >(from "What Is to Be Done?"): > >But never mind. See if you can answer two questions in a principled way. > >1. Your letter that started all this says of me: >"& encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the >contradictions >between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". > >What evidence do you have that I ever did that? I mean, facts. > >2. Did you write that little missive yourself? > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
why is the 'post message' option eliminated the week before the meeting? shady business, people. i sense fear. cs
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I received this message from: "jamal al-din talib" <j_a_m_a_l@...> ******************************************* This comes from a comrade who just went from Palestine to Durban for the conference, and will be returning here to organize. Things seem to be picking up steam. Now is the time to begin organizing and generating momentum, educating locally and look towards building yourself into the larger movement to free Palestine. Do something, anything today... talk to one person, learn one fact, open one door to freedom for the people of Palestine. >From: "Andrew Clarno" To: J_A_M_A_L@... Subject: Fwd: From Dhesheh >to Durban - part 2 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 12:46:39 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Muna Hamzeh" To: Subject: From Dhesheh to Durban - part 2 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:52:00 -0500 From: August 31, 2001 Durban, South Africa "From Dheisheh to Durban - 2" Dear Friends, Today is a birthday of a new movement. We took part in an official kick-off of the International Anti-Apartheid Movement Against Israel, launched by the South Africans who won the fight against Apartheid in their own country. The kick-off was declared at a rally after a mass demonstration in which tens of thousands of people took the streets of Durban. Organized by SANGOCO (South African NGO Coalition), PSC (Palestine Solidarity Committee), Durban Social Forum and other grassroots groups, the demonstration was not only joined by the conference delegates but also by thousands of South Africans - activists, trade unionists, students - who arrived by buses and trains from all over the country. Those who traveled from far away provinces were mostly landless people, who, in striking resemblence with the Palestinian situation, were forcibly removed from their lands and are subjugated to adjuct poverty. The people of landless movement came to demand their right to land and to protest globalization and privatization, the main causes of new economic apartheid in the post-1994 South Africa. Upon their arrival yesterday, the International Landless Assembly was held. Their struggle was supported by solidarity messages from the peoples in similar situations, such as Dalit (so-called the untouchables in Caste system of India), Rigoberta Menchu of Guatemala, and the Palestinians: Ziad Abbas, Co-director of Ibdaa and Manar Faraj, a 15-year-old youth activist from Dheisheh camp. In the two days leading up to the demonstration, supporters of Palestinian cause and Zionist groups had daily verbal confrontations at the conference site. A small group of Zionists set up a table (without permission, breaking the conference rule on registration) and distributed flyers stating that "Arabs are hijacking WCAR," "WCAR is not a conference about racism, it is a racist conference," etc. A spontenious demonstration by Palestinian supporters broke out in front of the table, led by South Africans and joined by tens of Arabs, Burmese, Dalits, Japanese, Indians, Americans, Europeans, Senegalese, and many others in a kaffiya, while holding up signs, posters, and Palestinian flags. The police formed a line to separate the two groups. The Zionists, mainly several white male dressed in dark suit, kept singing a same verse "all what we say is give peace a chance" from a John Lennon song. They also tried to hand flowers to Palestinian supporters, who rejected by chanting "no justice, no peace!" Some local and electronic media reported the incidence, including the song and flowers, but failed to describe the context - their presence stood out in the warm and supportive atmosphere of solidarity in this conference, and virtually nobody joined to sing with them in a stark contrast to the Palestinian side. Today's demonstration, estimated at 30,000 - 50,000 people and possibly the largest one since 1994, was vibrant and musical. South Africans, long-time strugglers and experts of organizing, would punctuate the chanting and marching by breaking out doing 'toi toi (singing, dancing and chanting in a circle)' while crowds, leaders, marshalls worked together beautifully. Thousands of colorful signs in the air read "Israel is an apartheid state" "Zionism is Racism" "Land for the Landless" "Sharon is a war criminal" etc. To the South Africans, the resemblense between theirs and Palestinian situations required no explaination. At the rally, a number of speeches were made in solidarity with the Palestinians; having defeated their own apartheid with the help of international community, it was now their duty to lend hands to the Palestinians to fight against the Israeli apartheid. After a moving and powerful speech by Manar from Dheisheh about her determination to continue the struggle, Naeem Jeenah of PSC read the following declaration and, with cheer and applause of the crowd, announced the official kick-off of the movement. best, Shirabe Yamada http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shirabe_report ----------------------------- Declaration by South Africans on Apartheid Israel and the Struggle for a Democratic Secular Palestine. The Palestinian rebellion has been a long time coming. Over three decades of occupation is but one dimension of their tragedy. Driven from their original homes, villages and land by sustained atrocities, condemned to miserable camps, dispersed in a far-flung Diaspora, subjected to massacres like the Sabra and Shatila slaughter of over 2000 refugees, and unending persecution. The suffering in the West Bank and Gaza is the continuation of the colonisation of all of Palestine. Zionist militias seized 75% of the land and drove out 800 000 Palestinians through a series of massacres between the partition of Palestine in 1947 and the formation of Israel. With the declaration of the state of Israel, 385 out of 475 Palestinian cities, towns and villages were razed to the ground, disappearing from the map. The 90 remaining were denuded of land, confiscated without compensation. We acknowledge the theft of the land and realise how today the Jewish National Fund, a member of the World Zionist Organisation, administers 93% of the land of Israel. To live on land, lease it, sharecrop or work on it, one must establish four generations of maternal Jewish descent. In Israel, such a lineage is necessary in order to enjoy elementary rights. We cannot mistake the quintessentially racist character of such a state. Israel is an apartheid state, founded on pillage and predicated on exclusivity. Rights flow from ethnic and religious identity. We, South Africans who have lived through apartheid cannot be silent as another entire people are treated as non-human beings; people without rights or human dignity and facing daily humiliation. We cannot permit a ruthless state to use military jets, helicopter gun- ships and tanks on civilians. We cannot accept state assassinations of activists, the torture of political prisoners, the murder of children and collective punishment. We, South Africans who lived for decades under rulers with a colonial mentality see Israeli occupation as a strange survival of colonialism in the 21st century. Only in Israel do we hear of `settlements' and `settlers'. Only in Israel do soldiers and armed civilian groups take over hilltops, demolish homes, uproot trees and destroy crops, shell schools, churches and mosques, plunder water reserves, and block access to an indigenous population's freedom of movement and right to earn a living. These human rights violations were unacceptable in apartheid South Africa and are an affront to us in apartheid Israel. We South Africans faced apartheid and exploitation, bullets and prison, not with bouquets of flowers, but with resistance. We are proud of this, our history. This is the history of all oppressed people. Why should it be different for Palestinians? Born in squalid refugee camps, living in poverty and believing the world community does not care, more and more young Palestinians see empty futures, aborted hopes and feel unbearable frustrations. The great African- American poet, Langston Hughes, asked: "What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun.or does it explode?" The shocking suicide bombings answers this rhetorical question. Apartheid Israel has created a situation in which people feel they have nothing to lose. This dangerous situation could be reversed, if the Israeli state and the one country that funds and supports it unconditionally- the US, as well as the world community, act in a moral and just manner. It's Apartheid Again! We note how the Israeli state rests on overt repression, a system of structural violence and institutionalised discrimination that dehumanises one group to the advantage of another. Apartheid Israel has developed an elaborate system of racial discrimination, embedded in its legal system-even surpassing Apartheid South Africa's laws. These laws include the Law of Entry, the Law of Return, Citizenship Law, legally sanctioned discriminatory rabbinical rulings and the Military Service Law. Palestinians are denied various welfare benefits, access to many jobs, and the leasing of homes and land controlled by government bodies. We realise that while Palestinians within the '48 borders may vote, they face these discriminatory laws and are treated like third class citizens. Electricity, sewerage, roads and water supplies are provided free to Israeli households whereas many Palestinian communities in Israel, let alone the occupied territories, have existed for decades without adequate services. The Israeli education system is racist in practice and in content. Almost no Arab history is covered and there are no Arab textbooks in the Israeli curricula. Palestinians also face significant barriers in gaining access to universities. In South Africa similar factors contributed to the Uprisings in 1976 and the 1980s. Laws governing land ownership such as the Law of Acquisition of Absentee Property and the Law for Acquisition of Land blatantly discriminate against Palestinians. Although settlers constitute a tiny minority in the West Bank, they own 60 percent of the land. Many of these settlers come from the US, the ex-Soviet Union and South Africa. In Gaza, 6000 settlers live among a population of one million Palestinians yet they own 42 percent of the land. Land ownership in Palestine is more unjust than it ever was in South Africa. At the height of apartheid black people nominally `controlled' 13 percent of the land, in Israel the oppressed control only 2 percent. The Israeli government also pursues a grossly discriminatory water policy. In Gaza in 1985, for instance, settlers consume about 2000 cubic meters of water per person; Palestinians are allowed to consume only about 120. Despite the terminology, we recognise segregation when we see it. The policy of `closures' is a policy of segregation. Blockades which allow settlers free movement but restrict Palestinians have lost 100 000 workers their jobs. Some roads are for settlers only. The Israeli government issues identification cards and car number-plates, colour coded, which restrict travel for non-Jews. Palestinians in the West Bank are routinely prevented from travelling to the Gaza Strip because they have to travel through `Israeli' territory. No significant industry has been permitted to develop in the West Bank or Gaza. Consequently, Palestinians are concentrated in the lowest paying jobs and form a super-exploited labour force for Israeli capital. The occupied territories import 93% of goods but export a mere 7% of what they produce. Palestinian exports to Western Europe are banned so as not to compete with Israeli exports. Ninety percent of Palestinian workers must travel to Jewish towns for employment. Israel is, simply, an Apartheid state. Apartheid laws, such as the pass system and influx control, bantustans, job reservation, bantu education and laws resulting in unequal resource allocation live on. As one South African journalist wrote after visiting Israel: "In both countries [apartheid South Africa and apartheid Israel] `subordinate races' were dispossessed of their land and crowded into marginal, drought-stricken ghettoes; their movement was restricted; access to education and skilled jobs limited so that they inevitably sank into a pool of low wage labour. In both societies, bans on inter-marriage and daily lives segregated by race did little to dispel the fear and ignorance that feeds racial bigotry." Globalisation's Watchdog. Israel is the highest recipient of US support. In return, it makes its own contributions to maintaining the imperialist world order and stability for transnational corporations, particularly oil companies. In the `70s it supplied the military dictatorships of El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua with more military hardware than the US. It supports adventures and trains personnel of unpopular regimes the US does not openly want to be identified with. The latest regime is Turkey, which brutally suppresses its trade unions, workers' organisations and the Kurds. In its illegal blockade of Cuba, the only support for the US now comes from Israel. Of course, we will never forget the support Israel provided to apartheid South Africa. While the world condemned apartheid in South Africa as a crime against humanity, Israel happily cemented trade, cultural, military and nuclear links with the white minority regime. A Bantustan or a Democratic Secular State? We realise that the `peace plan' brokered by the US at Oslo, Camp David, and the Wye River were recipes for continued misery and poverty for millions of Palestinians. Rather than promise a future of peaceful co-existence they virtually guaranteed a continuation of conflict and violence. They proposed a Bantustan, a `state' with a dependent economy, no contiguous territory and no substantial power, where Palestinians can be exploited, controlled, restricted and confined in reservations. A dependent Bantustan alongside an apartheid state is a mockery of self-determination-as it existed in apartheid South Africa and now in apartheid Israel. In Israel, no less than in South Africa, minimum justice requires dismantling the apartheid state and replacing it with a democratic secular Palestine, where Jews and Arabs, Christians and Muslims, live together with equal rights and opportunities. We observe the stone throwing children of Jabaliya, the Beach Camp, Balata, Khan Younis and Dheisheh and we see the response to over five decades of outrageous tyranny and occupation. It is echoed in those Israeli Jews who resist the oppression of others, like Mordechai Vanunu who, in 1986, was sentenced by a secret security court to 18 years in prison for exposing Israel's nuclear plans and indirectly Israel's nuclear collaboration with apartheid South Africa. We reject the calumny that to condemn Israeli apartheid or Zionism's `ethnic cleansing' implies animus against Jews; or that it attempts to diminish the Holocaust. The opposite is true. As the famed violinist Lord Yehudi Menuhin told the French newspaper Le Figaro "It is extraordinary how nothing ever dies completely. Even the evil which prevailed yesterday in Nazi Germany is gaining ground in that country [Israel] today". We, South Africans, extend our hands to the heroic people of Palestine. Theirs is the struggle, slingshots in hand, of David against Goliath. Theirs is the vision of a country shorn of racist dominion. Theirs is the passion for life without oppression. Theirs is the struggle, Arab and Jews to be free from discrimination and injustice. As South Africans we understand these struggles, visions and passions. We support the demand to isolate Apartheid Israel, the right of return of millions of Palestinian refugees and the dismantling of racist settlements. We pledge ourselves to be part of a new International Anti-Apartheid movement against Israel. Issued by the Palestine Solidarity Committee. ------------------------------- Middle East Children's Alliance PO Box 250706, New York, NY 10027 Tel/Fax: 1-212-666-8512 www.mecaforpeace.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Women's Defense-Smash Schundler!
Abortion rights may define race
Published in the Courier News on August 10,
2001
Whatever one might think of the pros and cons
of a gubernatorial campaign between Jim McGreevey and Bret Schundler, there
is virtually universal agreement on this much: voters have a clear choice
before them in November.
But according to a recent poll, Schundler may
have reason to hope that abortion does not become the subject of decision
for most voters.
Schundler, the conservative former mayor of
Jersey City, and McGreevey, the Democratic mayor of Woodbridge, offer widely
different positions on many issues that, frankly, are more relevant to the
professional responsibilities of the governor of New Jersey than abortion.
But that does not keep the abortion issue from
taking on an emotional, high-profile life of its own. And in an era
when many politicians hedge their abortion stances in
hopes of avoiding extremist labels from the
other side, Schundler is unabashedly
anti-abortion in virtually all cases. McGreevey
supports abortion rights.
Schundler has shown little indication that he
wishes to downplay such a controversial topic. But he, as well as state
Republicans, have undoubtedly taken note of a poll released this week
showing New Jerseyans overwhelmingly support abortion rights. Half say
abortions should be generally available to women, and another 35
percent say abortions should be allowed, with stricter limits. Only
14 percent consider themselves anti-abortion. Meanwhile, another poll shows
McGreevey's lead in the governor's race growing.
The abortion poll puts fresh numbers to the
long-held perception that New Jerseyans as a whole are moderate supporters
of a woman's right to choose -- and that any candidate hopeful of winning a
statewide election will have a long road ahead if his position isn't in line
with that public sentiment. In part because of that belief and its potential
effect on a statewide race, some experts have
said that Schundler must soften his position somewhat to become
governor. But we could never recommend that any
politician throw a veil over his true feelings on an issue.
In fact, we like where this is headed so far --
and so should voters. Schundler's views on abortion may be shared by only a
minority of New Jerseyans, but so what? That position is part of Schundler
the person and Schundler the candidate, as are
his views on other issues -- some of them undeniably far to the
right, such as his support for allowing certain residents to
carry concealed weapons.
Whatever we may think of Schundler's views, we
can appreciate someone who stands by their convictions. That doesn't make
Schundler any better or worse a candidate than Jim McGreevey, and doesn't
make him any more or less right. We would hope
abortion would not decide an election, but voters have the right to
base their decision on anything they wish -- and some
questionably feel strongly enough about abortion rights to let that issue be
the deciding factor.
Does any of this mean Schundler has to
reposition himself on the issue? Of course not. Schundler has presented New
Jersey with a very distinct choice for its next leader, and not just because
of his abortion stance. That's a good thing, no matter who you agree with.
OUR POSITION:
Bret Schundler's continued emphatic opposition
to abortion rights -- despite New Jerseyans' overwhelming support of such
rights -- again illustrates the distinct choice voters will have in
November's gubernatorial election.
from the Courier News
Published on August 10, 2001
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now is the time to make our NJ governor's race the weight around bush2's
neck. there should be no lifeboats available- moderate republicans,
democrats, and independents unite to defend democracy and our local
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GOP fears landslide defeat
Published in the Home News Tribune 9/03/01
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
TRENTON -- Republican leaders are worried that their party's
maverick candidate for governor will not only lose this fall's election but
will also take his party down with him.
"People are thinking about heading for the lifeboats," one
Republican operative working on some legislative campaigns told The
Philadelphia Inquirer for yesterday's editions. "Soon, they'll be running
for them."
Party insiders told the newspaper that Bret Schundler's
right-wing views are the problem.
New Jersey is known for more moderate Republicans such as Bob
Franks, the former U.S. Representative Schundler beat in the
June primary.
"What allowed him to be successful in the primary with that
relatively small group of true believers is his real liability now," the
operative said. "If he allows the election to become a
referendum on guns and abortion and intolerance, we're doomed, and he'll
take down the Legislature with him."
Republicans have a 25-15 majority in the state Senate and a
45-35 advantage in the Assembly.
Republicans fear a Democratic landslide that could cost them
both houses. In polls released last month, Schundler trailed Democrat
Jim McGreevey by margins of about 20 percentage points.
� copyright 2000 The Associated Press
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there is no CU flier being discussed - rather a Unity & Struggle flier that called for 96 boycott that was put out against the U&S edit board position of attack clinton defeat dole. why hasn't fraud stated his support for Baraka 2002? finger pointing only goes so far - we need people to do work. hungerfraud should be registering voters in newark. joe smith >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "Coalition For Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, "New >Jersey Freedom Organization" <njfo@egroups.com>, ><nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>, <nbpcmembers@egroups.com>, ><amirib@...>, <jmodibo@...> >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Who wrote that Aug. 28 letter, Smith? >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:41:21 -0400 > >I asked Cliff Smith to be principled. He started his reply with an insult. > >I asked him to be factual about his allegations concerning the 1996 >Presidential election. He replied with a fantasy about a "secret" plot to >expel him from the Unity & Struggle study group in the summer of 1996. >Smith >left the study group because he had been expelled from the Communist Union. >That happened before I joined the CU. I had no part in it. > >His account of what went on in the edit board of Unity & Struggle in the >fall of 1996 is hearsay. Not even the bourgeoisie thinks hearsay is >evidence, let alone fact. > >Not too surprising a response coming from someone who thinks he is above >any >code of conduct because he is, if you please, against Bush. > >As to the CU flyer to which Smith refers, I append the text. Make up your >own mind. > >I asked him if he wrote that ugly letter that went out over his name on >August 28. He didn't answer. Translation: no. He didn't. > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Clinton or Dole? Both are Worse! [1996] > > Great danger lurks just under the surface of this year's presidential >election. Bill Clinton does not lead in the polls because people want him >to >win, but because the "Republican Revolution" of Newt Gingrich scared the >mess out of so many people. However, the Republican "Contract on America" >gave Clinton as much room as he wants to move to the right. > For example, as the U.S. ruling class hurls accusations of "human >rights violations" at anyone they don't like, Democrat Clinton signed the >vicious Republican "welfare reform" bill that will brutally violate the >human rights of millions of poor people in the United States: the right to >eat, the right to have a roof over your head, etc. He got the reactionary >presidential line item veto that will take effect in the next term, which >the Republicans could never get. He signed a fascistic "crime bill," and is >presently working on an "anti-terrorism bill" of the same type. All this >after he was elected on the promise of national health care. > As reactionary as Clinton is, Dole is even more. The trump card of >this >long-time critic of "supply-side" economics and uncontrolled government >debt >is a $545 billion tax cut. After this cut, federal expenditures would still >cover the military and debt service (of course!), and maybe (if there's >anything left) Social Security. All else would be eliminated or be cut >back: >Medicare, Federal aid to education, environmental controls (such as they >are), what little remains of welfare, etc. > While Dole's candidacy is lagging, the possibility that the sudden >eruption of some great foreign or domestic crisis will make Dole the >president cannot be ruled out. > The problem for the masses of the people is that there is very little >to keep either Clinton or Dole from sliding further to the right, even as >far as fascism. We all know that democracy in the United States means >democracy for the rich. What we need is democracy for the people. > >We need a Democratic Workers' Party! > > The effects of a reformist progressive candidacy can be seen in Green >Party >candidate Ralph Nader. His presence in the California Democratic primary >earlier this year raised considerable alarms in the Clinton camp, despite >the great difference in forces. His criticism of the corporate domination >of >both the Republican and Democratic parties resounded with impact in the >huge >vacuum to the left of Clinton. > The rollback of the New Deal through "welfare reform, " etc., shows >how badly a real Democratic Workers' Party is needed. The ruling class has >decided to throw away the option of reforms for dealing with social crisis. >The only other method of dealing with such crises is through force (marking >the rise of fascism). Therefore we must have a Democratic Workers' Party to >unite all who stand in opposition to the rise of fascism. The people of the >United States were too strong to permit fascism in the 1930s. There was >mass >working class militancy in a genuine and growing Communist Party, huge >unionization drives, and other resistance to the capitalists. It must be so >again today! We must have a new Communist Party also, to provide an >unswerving standard of devotion to the working class and a bulwark against >those who would sell out to the bourgeoisie. Communism, as an ideology, is >the truest guarantee of firm adherence to the cause of the people. Do not >be >blinded by anti-communism, a ruling class tool to make sure that the people >can never break the domination of bourgeois thinking. We do not need >bourgeois ideas. > The Democratic Workers' Party must be a united front, whether trade >unionists, Methodists, Communists, ecologists, or feminists. Let us join >together in struggle for a true, people's democracy. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Cc: <coalitionforjustice@egroups.com>; <njfo@egroups.com>; ><nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; <nbpcmembers@egroups.com>; ><amirib@...>; <jmodibo@...> >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 12:05 PM >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] politics &'brass' > > > > im me, h-fraud. recognize. tho theres steady mystery about who you claim >to > > be... > > > > 'evidence' that you pushed 'boycott as revolutionary' in '96 >clinton/dole > > race, &claimed contradictions between were 'more apparent than real'? >for > > real? > > > > as witness, the 10odd other members of the 'unity&struggle' study group >from > > which you arranged my secret expulsion in summer '96, for exposing yr > > pro-republican schemes. > > > > also the '96 'special issue' (fraudulent) u&s 'boycott!' leaflet which >you > > published w/o knowledge of u&s editors modibo & baraka, &according to >them, > > in subversive violation of u&s position: 'attack clinton/defeat dole!' > > (smash schundler/keep mcgreasy in the fire; peoples' war on the right! >&tc.) > > > > 'missive'? its all jigga (todays shakespeare). holla. > > > > i do this for my culture > > let em know how to move > > in a room full of vultures > > industrys shady-need to be takin over > > niggas say you owe us > > for all the years that you hoed us > > we can talk but money talks > > so talk mo bucks > > > > im from the streets where the > > hoods is swallowin me > > bullets is followin me > > so much coke that you could run a slalom > > cops comb the shit top to bottom > > they say we are prone to violence > > but its home sweet home > > where personalities clash > > and chrome meets chrome > > > > chizzill my nizzil > > > > nothins personal, > > clizziff > > > > *see how this joker moves to expel me, then tries to engage (bait?) me? > > > > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > > >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] rules needed > > >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:38:00 -0400 > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> > > >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:36 AM > > >Subject: RE: [onepeoplesproject] rules needed > > > > > > > > > > i dont like fraudulent theories which help bush against the people. > > > > nothins personal. > > > > > > > > > >All right, Cliff. You start off a letter with "all eyes on hunger-fraud >the > > >'judas-goat'." Then you have the brass to say "nothins personal." (sic) > > > > > >It reminds me of what Lenin calls "the 'always say no' trick: 'I'm not >me; > > >the horse isn't mine; I'm not the driver. We're not Economists; >Rabochaya > > >Mysl doesn't stand for Economism; there is no Economism at all in >Russia.' > > >This is a remarkably adroit and 'politicking' trick, which suffers from >the > > >slight defect, however, that the publications practicing it are usually > > >nicknamed: 'Anything you wish, sir.'" > > >(from "What Is to Be Done?"): > > > > > >But never mind. See if you can answer two questions in a principled >way. > > > > > >1. Your letter that started all this says of me: > > >"& encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the > > >contradictions > > >between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". > > > > > >What evidence do you have that I ever did that? I mean, facts. > > > > > >2. Did you write that little missive yourself? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > IF YOU CONTINUE TO THINK AS YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET >WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT! > > > > VISIT THE ONE PEOPLE'S PROJECT WEBSITE: > > http://www.onepeople.mysticalzone.net > > > > ALSO VISIT OUR IRC CHANNEL: > > #oprchat at dalnet > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > onepeoplesproject-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on all peoples to support the upcoming Mumia Action on Saturday September 15th, 2001!! It is time for all of us to stand and shout: STOP THE KILLING OF AN INNOCENT MAN!! Join the ProLibertad contingent to Philadelphia on Saturday Sept. 15th, 2001!! To buy a ticket contact Esperanza Martell of ProLibertad at our Manhattan Office 212-927-9065. Bus tickets are $10 a piece and the bus ProLibertad is mobilizing from will leave NYC at 10am SHARP from w168th St. and Broadway!! Email us at ProLibertad@... for any additional questions or comments. 1pm Mass Demo City hall Broad and Market Sts. Philadelphia PA On Friday August 17th, Judge Dembe refused to schedule hearings regarding Arnold Beverly's highly credible confession to the crime for which Mumia Abu-Jamal was convicted and sentenced to death. Judge Dembe showed strong inclination towards supporting the prosecutions' position that time deadlines take precedence over innocence or guilt!! If there is no statute of limitation on murder, there is no statute of limitations on the confession of a murder!! The confession must be heard in state court now!! LIBERTAD PARA MUMIA!! FREE MUMIA!! LIBERTAD PARA LOS PRESOS POLITICOS PUERTORRIQUENOS!! FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!!
>From: Amirib@... >To: can_bush@..., jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., >keithjoseph99@... >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Who wrote that Aug. 28 letter, Smith? >Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:36:08 EDT > >Hah! D-Hah wrote in Fab-W (the international utopian journal.....no lie, >raise it on the net) That we should "stop struggling for a Democracy wie >will never get". So much for >"Anti-Marx-Anti-Engels-Anti-Lenin-Anti-Mao-Sophistry". > "A Better World"? What is the Class Nature of that ? "A Be >tter World" for Whom? > >Green Party candidate for NJ Gov sez answer to Bushwacking of National >Elections is "Instant Run-Offs" ( Aug '01 "GreenGram".) So he has neither >an understanding of Civil RIghts Movement struggle Against Run-offs, which >are used like Nwk Creeps did to Ras in '98, to defeat progressive >candidates. Neither does he understand that People's Democracy requires >PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM, where smallest sector of voters have representatives >in UNICAMERAL CONGRESS! > Apparently he has not a wink that Run-Offs in a bi cameral >"constitutional monarchy " which US, with completely unrepresentational >bourgeois Watchdog SENATE, can be equated to,.would completely waste so >called 3rd parties. > > Revolutionary Democracy must build movement for COMPLETE Peoples' >Democratic reform of Electoral System, not fake "Left" reactionary >social-democratic Objective support for undemocratic imperialist US! > Green is Right! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus of the NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's organizations and head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in contact with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and McGreevey's campaign to schedule a NB event in October in defense of women, public education, and unions and to demand voting and working rights for all. At least one child care center in NB has fired it's undocumented women teachers because these private daycares are now contracted out by the state. This displacement of latina community members in an attack on public education has to be organized around and McGreevey be forced to take a position on it. Smash Schundler! Women's Victory 2001! Tamara _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
the "ghostwriter" "dragoons"? shiver me timbers. cliff >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] To all on this list >Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:36:04 -0400 > > It is true, as Jenny says, that the recent exchanges between Cliff Smith, >Joseph Smith, Cliff Smith's ghostwriter, and myself have been unpleasant. I >assume that's what she refers to. But the exchanges were necessary. >The dispute concerns whether to support or oppose the Democratic Party. It >is an important question. The August 28 letter signed by Cliff Smith was >very offensive. The reason was to hide the weakness of the 'support' >position. Hence there is a question of substance and a question of >principle. This does not amount to 'bickering.' Neither did I reply to >abuse with abuse. > > I will say in self-criticism that I let the August 28 >letter make me angry, as intended, and let the first exchange go on too >long. > > Later I jumped back in. Cliff Smith said he is exempt from any code of >conduct because he opposes Bush. This is completely unacceptable. Then he >had the gall to say 'nothins personal.' After that letter! > >Even so I might have stayed out, but when I cooled down I realized the >August 28 letter over Smith's name had been written by someone else. This >can be seen from its style and content. Smith did not reply when I asked >him if he had written it. The equally ugly September 3 letter sounds like a >collaboration, though only Smith signed it. (The ghostwriter seems to have >copped, but I will leave that for another note.) > > The ghostwriter tries to dragoon progressives into support >of Democrats by "making examples" of those who disagree with him. But he >lacks the courage to speak out in his own name. Smith fronts for him. It >adds up to a fundamental violation of political principle. > > It is an abuse of everyone, not just me. There is nothing >of petty bickering in this. Whatever shortcomings I have shown, it would >have been far more damaging to let these things pass unopposed. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jenny DuHaime > To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] To all on this list > > > OK Daryle, you asked for it! > > We are all on this list because we do have certain things in common, the >most obvious being opposition to rascism. Since we are all different >individuals, there will be many diverse propsals on how to deal with a >given situation. Everyone should be w illing to hear out and consider ALL >ideas, even if you think you are completely opposed to the suggestion being >made. There are many reasons for this approach. In the process of hearing >someone else's perspective, you may change your's slightly. If not, you >should at least find yourself better able to debate your perspective in the >future. The key word here is debate, which, when done properly, leaves all >parties with a better understanding of their subject matter. > > I would like to mention what I have been doing when I open an email that >starts off as, or degenerates into, name calling and petty bickering. I >delete it. Which means, for those of you who have sent these messages, any >points you are trying to make elsewhere in your message are being lost. >This is unfortunate, since I really do enjoy some of your writings, but I >don't have the time and energy to soak up all the negativity you are >directing at each other and subjecting everyone else to. Think of so >mething positive you could be doing with that energy. > > If you do feel the need to debate, rather than argue, a point, please do >everyone a favor. After you type that message, put yourself in the shoes of >the person you are directing it toward and reread it. Then put yourself in >the shoes of those of us w ho are just observing the situation and read it >again. Finally, please make any changes that are needed in order to present >it appropriately. > > Ultimately, racism is simply intolerance of others. Please do not turn >yourself into that which you are trying to erradicate. > > Thank you to everyone for taking the time to read this, > > Jenny > > > > >From: > >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] To all on this list > >Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:14:58 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.115.96.72] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD59AC40008A400437A2D8736048064634; Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:17:55 -0700 > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by cj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 01 Sep 2001 >04:17:04 -0000 > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2); 1 Sep 2001 04:15:21 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 46926 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2001 04:15:21 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 1 Sep >2001 04:15:21 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO nuit.mysticalzone.net) (216.10.12.32) by >mta1 with SMTP; 1 Sep 2001 04:15:21 -0000 > >Received: from adsl-dynamic2-59.columbus.oh.ameritech.net >([64.108.97.59] helo=burks)by nuit.mysticalzone.net with asmtp (Exim 3.20 >#1)id 15d2Bf-0002R7-00for onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 01 Sep >2001 00:15:15 -0400 > >From sentto-3377685-258-999317722-jjduhaime Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:18:48 >-0700 > >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-3377685-258-999317722-jjduhaime=hotmail.com@... > >X-Sender: dlj@... > >X-Apparently-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > >Message-ID: > >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) > >Importance: Normal > >In-Reply-To: > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > >X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it >with any abuse report > >X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - nuit.mysticalzone.net > >X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoogroups.com > >X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] > >X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - onepeople.mysticalzone.net > >Mailing-List: list onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com; contact >onepeoplesproject-owner@yahoogroups.com > >Delivered-To: mailing list onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Unsubscribe: > > > >This listserv belong to everyone that is on it, but that means we >should all > >be respecting each other. There should be no name calling nor personal > >squabbles brought here. That has happened. If you have been reading the > >recent posts, you know the concern. I will not take anyone off this >Egroup. > >It will be a decision made with all of us. The only time I have banned > >someone from this list is when I found someone trying to subscribe that >I > >knew to be a neo-nazi (that has happened at least three times). Other >than > >that, I want to hear from the rest of you (yes, you too, my dear friend >in > >Cleveland) on your thoughts concerning this issue. > > > > > > > >DLJ > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > Yahoo! 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stop lying, h-fraud. 1. "As to the CU flyer to which Smith refers..." there is no CU flyer. this guy subversively published a leaflet under the 'Unity & Struggle' banner, in summer '96, calling to boycott the clinton/ dole presidential election. the actual U&S position was (correctly) 'attack clinton, defeat dole!' U&S editors Modibo & Amiri Baraka and others will corroborate this. furthermore, i can produce the leaflet. 2. "Smith left the study group because he had been expelled from the Communist Union." i never left the U&S study group. after opposing h-fraud's "boycott!" scheme, i was "dis-invited" (expelled) from the group. there was never a vote in my presence. i was given no explanation of any kind. CU (comprised of the same people as the study group, sans h-fraud) expelled me soon after, not before. subsequently, h-fraud joined into CU. i was then expelled (again by the same people) from new jersey freedom organization, and most recently, new brunswick peoples' campaign, again for opposing pro-republican schemes. for anyone who wants further proof, witnesses & participants can be produced. uh huh ok whats up shut up cliff >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "Coalition For Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, "New >Jersey Freedom Organization" <njfo@egroups.com>, ><nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>, <nbpcmembers@egroups.com>, ><amirib@...>, <jmodibo@...> >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Who wrote that Aug. 28 letter, Smith? >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:41:21 -0400 > >I asked Cliff Smith to be principled. He started his reply with an insult. > >I asked him to be factual about his allegations concerning the 1996 >Presidential election. He replied with a fantasy about a "secret" plot to >expel him from the Unity & Struggle study group in the summer of 1996. >Smith >left the study group because he had been expelled from the Communist Union. >That happened before I joined the CU. I had no part in it. > >His account of what went on in the edit board of Unity & Struggle in the >fall of 1996 is hearsay. Not even the bourgeoisie thinks hearsay is >evidence, let alone fact. > >Not too surprising a response coming from someone who thinks he is above >any >code of conduct because he is, if you please, against Bush. > >As to the CU flyer to which Smith refers, I append the text. Make up your >own mind. > >I asked him if he wrote that ugly letter that went out over his name on >August 28. He didn't answer. Translation: no. He didn't. > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Clinton or Dole? Both are Worse! [1996] > > Great danger lurks just under the surface of this year's presidential >election. Bill Clinton does not lead in the polls because people want him >to >win, but because the "Republican Revolution" of Newt Gingrich scared the >mess out of so many people. However, the Republican "Contract on America" >gave Clinton as much room as he wants to move to the right. > For example, as the U.S. ruling class hurls accusations of "human >rights violations" at anyone they don't like, Democrat Clinton signed the >vicious Republican "welfare reform" bill that will brutally violate the >human rights of millions of poor people in the United States: the right to >eat, the right to have a roof over your head, etc. He got the reactionary >presidential line item veto that will take effect in the next term, which >the Republicans could never get. He signed a fascistic "crime bill," and is >presently working on an "anti-terrorism bill" of the same type. All this >after he was elected on the promise of national health care. > As reactionary as Clinton is, Dole is even more. The trump card of >this >long-time critic of "supply-side" economics and uncontrolled government >debt >is a $545 billion tax cut. After this cut, federal expenditures would still >cover the military and debt service (of course!), and maybe (if there's >anything left) Social Security. All else would be eliminated or be cut >back: >Medicare, Federal aid to education, environmental controls (such as they >are), what little remains of welfare, etc. > While Dole's candidacy is lagging, the possibility that the sudden >eruption of some great foreign or domestic crisis will make Dole the >president cannot be ruled out. > The problem for the masses of the people is that there is very little >to keep either Clinton or Dole from sliding further to the right, even as >far as fascism. We all know that democracy in the United States means >democracy for the rich. What we need is democracy for the people. > >We need a Democratic Workers' Party! > > The effects of a reformist progressive candidacy can be seen in Green >Party >candidate Ralph Nader. His presence in the California Democratic primary >earlier this year raised considerable alarms in the Clinton camp, despite >the great difference in forces. His criticism of the corporate domination >of >both the Republican and Democratic parties resounded with impact in the >huge >vacuum to the left of Clinton. > The rollback of the New Deal through "welfare reform, " etc., shows >how badly a real Democratic Workers' Party is needed. The ruling class has >decided to throw away the option of reforms for dealing with social crisis. >The only other method of dealing with such crises is through force (marking >the rise of fascism). Therefore we must have a Democratic Workers' Party to >unite all who stand in opposition to the rise of fascism. The people of the >United States were too strong to permit fascism in the 1930s. There was >mass >working class militancy in a genuine and growing Communist Party, huge >unionization drives, and other resistance to the capitalists. It must be so >again today! We must have a new Communist Party also, to provide an >unswerving standard of devotion to the working class and a bulwark against >those who would sell out to the bourgeoisie. Communism, as an ideology, is >the truest guarantee of firm adherence to the cause of the people. Do not >be >blinded by anti-communism, a ruling class tool to make sure that the people >can never break the domination of bourgeois thinking. We do not need >bourgeois ideas. > The Democratic Workers' Party must be a united front, whether trade >unionists, Methodists, Communists, ecologists, or feminists. Let us join >together in struggle for a true, people's democracy. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Cc: <coalitionforjustice@egroups.com>; <njfo@egroups.com>; ><nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>; <nbpcmembers@egroups.com>; ><amirib@...>; <jmodibo@...> >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 12:05 PM >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] politics &'brass' > > > > im me, h-fraud. recognize. tho theres steady mystery about who you claim >to > > be... > > > > 'evidence' that you pushed 'boycott as revolutionary' in '96 >clinton/dole > > race, &claimed contradictions between were 'more apparent than real'? >for > > real? > > > > as witness, the 10odd other members of the 'unity&struggle' study group >from > > which you arranged my secret expulsion in summer '96, for exposing yr > > pro-republican schemes. > > > > also the '96 'special issue' (fraudulent) u&s 'boycott!' leaflet which >you > > published w/o knowledge of u&s editors modibo & baraka, &according to >them, > > in subversive violation of u&s position: 'attack clinton/defeat dole!' > > (smash schundler/keep mcgreasy in the fire; peoples' war on the right! >&tc.) > > > > 'missive'? its all jigga (todays shakespeare). holla. > > > > i do this for my culture > > let em know how to move > > in a room full of vultures > > industrys shady-need to be takin over > > niggas say you owe us > > for all the years that you hoed us > > we can talk but money talks > > so talk mo bucks > > > > im from the streets where the > > hoods is swallowin me > > bullets is followin me > > so much coke that you could run a slalom > > cops comb the shit top to bottom > > they say we are prone to violence > > but its home sweet home > > where personalities clash > > and chrome meets chrome > > > > chizzill my nizzil > > > > nothins personal, > > clizziff > > > > *see how this joker moves to expel me, then tries to engage (bait?) me? > > > > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > > >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: Re: [onepeoplesproject] rules needed > > >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:38:00 -0400 > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> > > >To: <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:36 AM > > >Subject: RE: [onepeoplesproject] rules needed > > > > > > > > > > i dont like fraudulent theories which help bush against the people. > > > > nothins personal. > > > > > > > > > >All right, Cliff. You start off a letter with "all eyes on hunger-fraud >the > > >'judas-goat'." Then you have the brass to say "nothins personal." (sic) > > > > > >It reminds me of what Lenin calls "the 'always say no' trick: 'I'm not >me; > > >the horse isn't mine; I'm not the driver. We're not Economists; >Rabochaya > > >Mysl doesn't stand for Economism; there is no Economism at all in >Russia.' > > >This is a remarkably adroit and 'politicking' trick, which suffers from >the > > >slight defect, however, that the publications practicing it are usually > > >nicknamed: 'Anything you wish, sir.'" > > >(from "What Is to Be Done?"): > > > > > >But never mind. See if you can answer two questions in a principled >way. > > > > > >1. Your letter that started all this says of me: > > >"& encouraged splitting the anti-dole vote in '96, saying the > > >contradictions > > >between clinton & dole were "illusions", and endorsing a "boycott". > > > > > >What evidence do you have that I ever did that? I mean, facts. > > > > > >2. Did you write that little missive yourself? > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > IF YOU CONTINUE TO THINK AS YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET >WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT! > > > > VISIT THE ONE PEOPLE'S PROJECT WEBSITE: > > http://www.onepeople.mysticalzone.net > > > > ALSO VISIT OUR IRC CHANNEL: > > #oprchat at dalnet > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > onepeoplesproject-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign supports the following activity and asks that all people in solidarity with the decolonization of Puerto Rico, the demilitarization of Vieques and the freedom of the 6 Puerto Rican Political Prisoners to support this activity. Please forward this message far and wide. FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Manhattan 212-927-9065 Bronx 718-601-4751 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Tuesday, Sept 18 7:30 pm BOOK PARTY/FORUM Islands of Resistance Puerto Rico, Vieques and U.S. Policy Mario A. Murillo What is the political future of Puerto Rico? Colony? Fifty-first state of the United States? Sovereign nation? In Islands of Resistance, Mario Murillo approaches these questions by examining how Puerto Rican politics have been shaped as much by 100 years of U.S. economic, military, and cultural domination of the territory, as by the enduring grassroots resistance of the Puerto Rican people. Mario Alfonso Murillo teaches media clases at Hofstra University and at New York University. He is host and producer of the weekly radio program Our Americas, a joint production of WBAI in New York and the North American Congress on Latin America (NACLA), which is distributed nationally by Pacifica Radio. He reports regularly Latin American and Caribbean issues for a number of publications. Sliding Scale: $6/$8/$10 � ��� 122 West 27th Street, New York, NY 10001 - info@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: Amirib@... >To: can_bush@..., jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., >keithjoseph99@... >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Who wrote that Aug. 28 letter, Smith? >Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:36:08 EDT > >Hah! D-Hah wrote in Fab-W (the international utopian journal.....no lie, >raise it on the net) That we should "stop struggling for a Democracy wie >will never get". So much for >"Anti-Marx-Anti-Engels-Anti-Lenin-Anti-Mao-Sophistry". > "A Better World"? What is the Class Nature of that ? "A Be >tter World" for Whom? > >Green Party candidate for NJ Gov sez answer to Bushwacking of National >Elections is "Instant Run-Offs" ( Aug '01 "GreenGram".) So he has neither >an understanding of Civil RIghts Movement struggle Against Run-offs, which >are used like Nwk Creeps did to Ras in '98, to defeat progressive >candidates. Neither does he understand that People's Democracy requires >PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM, where smallest sector of voters have representatives >in UNICAMERAL >CONGRESS! > Apparently he has not a wink that Run-Offs in a bi cameral >"constitutional monarchy " which US, with completely unrepresentational >bourgeois Watchdog SENATE, can be equated to,.would completely waste so >called 3rd parties. > > Revolutionary Democracy must build movement for COMPLETE Peoples' >Democratic reform of Electoral System, not fake "Left" reactionary >social-democratic Objective support for undemocratic imperialist US! > Green is Right! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Please foward this to interested folks ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Lori Barcliff Baptista" <barcliff@...> Reply-To: motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com To: "Pam Timson" <bricksandmortar@...>, "Motherland Collective" <motherlandcollective@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [motherlandcollective] Fw: The Youth Communication Video Project Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:57:00 -0400 A Creative Opportunity, FYI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Otte" <tinaotte2002@...> To: <barcliff@...> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: The Youth Communication Video Project > Hi Lori, > This is the information you requested about our > project. We are a non profit organization in > Plainfield, N.J. that designs and implements after > school programs for youth 4th.-12th. grades. One of > our programs, The Youth Communication Program has been > funded by Lucent technologies to continue our work on > educating the surrounding communities about the > diverse culture of Plainfield. We began with a > workshop of 20+ that traveled to local elementary > schools and worked with students on issues of cultural > conflicts through the use of drama and hands on > activities. We have been chosen again by Lucent to > continue our work and to further our efforts by > developing a series of videos that will tour the > community and surrounding area. We are looking for a > individual to assist us as we move towards this new > venture. The position is new and can be developed > according to the time and creative direction of the > individual. The hours and salary are negotiable. This > person will work directly with myself and students as > we explore how diverse teens in the community > experience issues of stereotyping, racism, bias, and > cultural conflicts. Specific duties would include > creative input, script design, editing, shooting, and > acting direction. Our original proposal for this video > was to create a documentary of personal stories that > offer insight to other students experiences, serve as > a basis for discourse in group discussions, and offer > solutions for positive interaction. We would like to > begin as soon as possible. Anyone interested in this > project please call Tina Otte at 908-756-3861. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: motherlandcollective-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
ALL: Next U&S publishes reproduction of Swindler D-Hah's infamy! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tamara, I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every progressive group under the sun who are using it for their bickering. That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At the June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state the issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month window, were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help further these goals. Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple of months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and Accountability Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would vote it down. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> wrote: > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and Smashing > Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus of the NBPC should > organize and unite with all other women's organizations and head the efforts > to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in contact with Planned > Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and McGreevey's campaign to schedule > a NB event in October in defense of women, public education, and unions and > to demand voting and working rights for all. At least one child care center > in NB has fired it's undocumented women teachers because these private > daycares are now contracted out by the state. This displacement of latina > community members in an attack on public education has to be organized > around and McGreevey be forced to take a position on it. > > Smash Schundler! > Women's Victory 2001! > > Tamara > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Pacifica Campaign <pacificacampaign@...> To: Undisclosed-Recipients:; Subject: Jesse Jackson Calls For Democracy Now! Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 19:49:50 -0400 Pacifica Campaign Release September 5, 2001 Friends, The Rev. Jesse Jackson and actor/activist Danny Glover have lent their voices to the growing chorus demanding the return of Democracy Now! to Pacifica's airwaves. Enclosed is a press release from the San Francisco-based group, Media Alliance. Add your voices too. If you are in one of the four Pacifica listening areas not airing Democracy Now!, call your local station and ask them to air the programs's historic coverage of the UN World Conference on Racism. Call WBAI at 212-209-2800, KPFK in Los Angeles at 818-985-2711, KPFT in Houston at 713-526-4000, and WPFW in Washington DC at 202-234-7487 or 202-588-0999. KPFA in Berkeley is airing the show. Thank them by writing to KPFA at: 1929 ML King Jr Way, Berkeley CA 94704. Onwards, Pacifica Campaign ********************************* FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE SEPTEMBER 5, 2001 Contact: Andrea Buffa, Media Alliance Tel: (415) 546-6334 JESSE JACKSON, ACTOR DANNY GLOVER CALL ON PACIFICA MANAGEMENT TO STOP BLOCKING HISTORIC BROADCASTS OF DEMOCRACY NOW! FROM UN WORLD CONFERENCE AGAINST RACISM Reverend Jesse Jackson and actor/civil rights activist Danny Glover have called on the management of the Pacifica Radio Network to stop blocking the historic broadcasts of its daily radio show Democracy Now! from the UN World Conference Against Racism. "It's unconscionable that Pacifica would not broadcast Democracy Now! from these very important proceedings," said civil rights activist and actor Danny Glover, who is attending the conference. "The fact that Pacifica is not broadcasting Democracy Now! is appalling." Democracy Now! is the only radio program in the U.S. devoting its daily hour-long broadcast to live radio coverage from the UN World Conference Against Racism. The show is broadcasting interviews with the Reverend Jesse Jackson, Danny Glover, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Rigoberta Menchu, women activists from India's Dalit, or untouchable, caste, South African trade union leaders, and NGO activists from around the world. "It was not right for the U.S. to walk out, it was unnecessary for Israel to walk out," said Reverend Jesse Jackson, "and Pacifica as the access voice for racial and gender equality should not walk out, but should open up the airwaves and let people, let the Pacifica family hear these words." The staff of Democracy Now! was suspended without pay by Pacifica after leaving the studios of WBAI in New York to broadcast from an offsite location, following incidents of physical and verbal harassment against host Amy Goodman on August 10 and 13. The American Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA), which represents Democracy Now! staff, has said that it is "no longer satisfied that the WBAI studios are a safe and appropriate working environment for the Democracy Now! staff." Since August 14, Pacifica management has refused to broadcast Democracy Now! and ordered its staff to return to WBAI. The majority of Pacifica affiliates, however, including Pacifica Station KPFA in San Francisco, continue to broadcast the show live in defiance of Pacifica?s national management. On August 30 a majority of the Pacifica National Board ordered Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash to immediately resume broadcasting Democracy Now! and to restore the salaries of its staff. Ms. Wash continues to defy the Board's directive. Democracy Now! is a daily national news program on the listener sponsored Pacifica Radio Network, and normally broadcasts from the studios of WBAI in New York City. The historically progressive network has recently been rocked by turmoil surrounding the firing and banning of longtime producers and staff, many of whom are people of color. --END-- ********************* The Pacifica Campaign is a grass-roots organization representing listeners and staff alike, fighting to preserve Pacifica's 50-year tradition of progressive, community-based radio. Tax deductible contributions to support the work of the Pacifica Campaign may be made to our fiscal sponsor, a 501 (c) (3) organization. Make checks payable to: Institute for Media Analysis-Pacifica Campaign. Our mailing address: The Pacifica Campaign, 51 MacDougal St., #80, New York, NY 10012. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
STUDY IS CRITICAL TO IDEOLOGICAL & POLITICAL LINE
To call for "reparations for white workers"
As Sword projects in recent documents is to dismiss the Chattel Slavery of
Afro-America, as the same as the general exploitation of white workers. Not
only is this incorrect but devastating to any unity between the masses in
the
oppressed and oppressor nations.
White workers are part of the US oppressor nation, even if they are
correctly opposed to its imperialist ruling class, it's exploitation of all
workers and its national oppression of the oppressed nations within its
borders. As well as its international oppression of people all over the
world. And as Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao have pointed out, It is only the
unity of the workers and peoples of the oppressor nations with oppressed
peoples and nations that they can help end their own exploitation.
To equate chattel slavery with wage slavery is the normal line of the
bourgeoisie, adding that it is the lack of intelligence, effort, or
qualifications that separates the black and white workers not the fact of
chattel slavery, segregation, discrimination, national oppression, racism,
lack of equal rights, robbery, and the historic robbery and assault by the
state and backward Americans.
This is the same line that the bourgeoisie uses to justify the
near
elimination of affirmative action, which is weak to begin with, as well as
welfare, scholarships, police control boards. Together with the constant
superstructural characterization of black people as inferior, ignorant, a
criminal class and simply too backward to uplift themselves since "they have
the same opportunities as the rest of the US citizens'"
Such a line infers that the rulers asked, 'Ok, Who wants to live in
slums", and black people volunteered, or "Who doesn't want to be educated,"
Afro -America volunteered again, or "Who wants to be murdered by Killer
Cops?" the misguided wretches held up their hands again.
This is blunt national chauvinism, and a crass rightist
ideological and political line, very much like the Archie Bunker,
"no-nothing" most -backward sector of the US people! It is, as Lenin sd, in
Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Imperialism "Opportunism at its finished
level (i.e.), national chauvinism.
Reparations is a minimum democratic demand aimed at raising the
productive forces of the Afro-American people. In our own view, reparations
is due to the African American people, but also, since the Afro- American
Nation, located contiguously in the Black- Belt south, is not racial, (See
Stalin on "The National Question" or Lenin, "Statistics and Society", or
"Russians & Negroes", or the 1928-30, Lenin led determinations of the
Communist International), we would demand reparations for all in the Black
Belt affected by Chattel slavery and the enforced backwardness of the
region.
For instance, the Anglo- American small farmers in Appalachia and
other parts of the Black Belt, if you look at statistics, have been
historically tied to the chattel slavery and national oppression of the Afro
American people as super exploited residents of the region, in sharp
contrast
to the rest of the US, educationally, economically socially, politically
(See
"The Black Nation, Revolutionary Communist League, 1975).
But this is the Revolutionary Democratic projection of Self
-Determination for the Afro American Nation, in its contiguous black belt
existence, which seeks to begin that self determination with the expression
and intent of achieving much broader democracy than the US oppressor nation.
Yet no one should be able to deny that ironically, white workers and
farmers, no matter their economic status, have been so socialized by the so
called "skin privilege" (used as a weapon to repress the ex-slaves as well
as
the native peoples) should also receive reparations as a means of raising
the
entire productive forces while creating a "New Democratic" unity in the
region.
The travesty of the national elections and the Bushwackers "Black Ops"
in
Florida and elsewhere against Black (Latino and Jewish) voters is a
dismissal of Emancipation Proclamation, the 14th and 15th amendments as well
as the 1965 Voting Rights Act. It is not a theoretical trampling but a
confirmation that the Afro- American people are ruled by Imperialism and how
that national oppression (check Engels) demolishes Peoples Democracy for the
whole of the US people.
*****
The same belittling of the national question and denigration of
democratic struggle and the need for political unity characterizes Sword
when
they demand, Objectively, for petty bourgeois, in the main, white, women the
right of self-determination and reparations. In a document delivered by one
of the female members, they say that women are oppressed mainly by Gender!
This is what the Petty Bourgeois style "Feminism" but it is actually a
self serving class and national Solipsism, ignoring the principal role of
class exploitation, and the triple oppression of Third World because of
class, nationality and sexual oppression or Gender (though bourgeois
sociologists claim Gender is self chosen!)
Again there is neither ideological clarity nor political unity sought by
this
ignorant or chauvinist line. To say Gender is principal is the call of the<
mainly, white petty bourgeois women who have substituted Abortion struggle
for the Right To Choice, and dismiss the ERA, the actual struggle for Equal
Rights, at the same time.
Black women were not chattel slaves because of their gender but their
nationality. Puerto Rican women were not sterilized in masses a few years
ago because of their Gender, but because of their nationality and class.
In essence, all working class women suffer both class and
gender oppression but for the upwardly mobile white petty bourgeois, since
they feel class and national oppression is some body else's worry, it is
only
their gender stopping them from rising in Imperialist circles, other wise
their class and national identity taken alone, would ensure them the same
upwardly mobile middle management killer status, as males in their same
class
(with the same ideological and political narrowness), in the prison house of
nations. And like the Green-Nadirs, they just want to "get in it", no matter
the betrayal of the whole working class and oppressed nationalities. It is
simply opportunism, and an objective support of the bourgeois ideological
and
political line, with a very porous "left" cover.
(In the Next U&S, a reply to SWORD's defense of what U&S called
"Vagueness" in presenting their ideological and political lines.)
Amiri Baraka
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Danny Glover is busy doing good. On November 15 he will be speaking on the death penalty at the Princeton University campus. Details to come, but save the date. Jean Ross [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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anti-woman. >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: proposal >Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 03:53:41 -0000 > >Tamara, > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every >progressive group under the sun who are using it for their bickering. > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At the >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state the >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month window, >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help >further these goals. > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple of >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and Accountability >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this >additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would vote >it down. > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> >wrote: > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and >Smashing > > Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus of the >NBPC should > > organize and unite with all other women's organizations and head >the efforts > > to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in contact with >Planned > > Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and McGreevey's campaign to >schedule > > a NB event in October in defense of women, public education, and >unions and > > to demand voting and working rights for all. At least one child >care center > > in NB has fired it's undocumented women teachers because these >private > > daycares are now contracted out by the state. This displacement of >latina > > community members in an attack on public education has to be >organized > > around and McGreevey be forced to take a position on it. > > > > Smash Schundler! > > Women's Victory 2001! > > > > Tamara > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Keeping the Thing Going While Things Are Stirring A speech delivered by Sojourner Truth in 1867 My friends, I am rejoiced that you are glad, but I don't know how you will feel when I get through. I come from another field - the country of the slave. They have got their liberty - so much good luck to have slavery partly destroyed; not entirely. I want it root and branch destroyed. Then we will all be free indeed. I feel that if I have to answer for the deeds done in my body just as much as a man, I have a right to have just as much as a man. There is a great stir about colored men getting their rights, but not a word about the colored women; and if colored men get their rights, and not colored women theirs, you see the colored men will be masters over the women, and it will be just as bad as it was before. So I am for keeping the thing going while things are stirring; because if we wait till it is still, it will take a great while to get it going again. White women are a great deal smarter, and know more than colored women, while colored women do not know scarcely anything. They go out washing, which is about as high as a colored woman gets, and their men go about idle, strutting up and down; and take it all, and then scold because there is no food. I want you consider on that, chil'n. I call you chil'n; you are somebody's chil'n, and I am old enough to be mother of all that is here. I want women to have their rights. In the courts women have no right, no voice; nobody speaks for them. I wish woman to have her voice there among the pettifoggers. If it is not a fit place for women, it is unfit for men to be there. I am above eighty years old; it is about time for me to be going. I have been forty years a slave and forty years free and would be here forty years more to have equal rights for all. I suppose I am kept here because something remains for me to do; I suppose I am yet to help to break the chain. I have done a great deal of work; as much as a man, but did not get so much pay. I used to work in the field and bind grain, keeping up with the cradler; but men doing no more, got twice as much pay; so with the German women. They work in the field and do as much work, but do not get the pay. We do as much, we eat as much, we want as much. I suppose I am about the only colored woman that goes about to speak for the rights of colored women. I want to keep the thing stirring, now that the ice is cracked. What we want is a little money. You men know that you get as much again as women when you write, or for what you do. When we get our rights we shall not have to come to you for money, for then we shall have money enough in our own pockets; and may be you will ask us for money. But help us now until we get it. It is a good consolation to know that when we have got this battle once fought we shall not be coming to you any more. You have been having our rights so long, that you think, like a slave-holder, that you own us. I know that is hard for one who has held the reins for so long to give up; it cuts like a knife. It will feel all the better when it closes up again. I have been in Washington about three years, seeing about these colored people. Now colored men have the right to vote. There ought to be equal rights now more than ever, since colored people have got their freedom. I am going to talk several times while I am here; so now I will do a little singing. I have not heard any singing since I came here. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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September 6, 2001
U.S. Walkout Galvanizes U.S. NGO Delegation
By Eric Mann <ericmann@...>
It was the eve of Labor Day and 400 U.S. delegates to the
now-concluded NGO Forum filed into the large lecture hall at
UNISA (University of South Africa at Durban). We had come,
ostensibly, to hear a report to the Non-Governmental
Organizations from the shell of the U.S. delegation to the
UN Conference. As we entered the room, all hell broke loose.
Rumors spread that the U.S. delegation had no intention to
report to us. Wade Henderson, from the National Leadership
Conference on Civil Rights, announced that last minute
negotiations with the U.S had broken down and that it was
almost inevitable that the U.S. governmental delegation
would walk out.
Almost immediately a group of 200 U.S. NGO delegates worked
to transform itself into a viable, functional "ad hoc" force
to protest U.S. policies at the conference. Many of the
delegates did not know each other at all, many had political
disagreements, and many had prior histories of unity and
antagonism. Yet we worked successfully in a multiracial,
majority-black group led by black women.
Within 15 minutes we had formed an action coalition. In
order to move effectively, we worked to clarify political
line. Earlier in the conference, more moderate U.S. forces
had focused primarily on the question of the attendance of
the U.S. delegation. "Where is the U.S.?" they had asked,
expressing the view that if the U.S. did not attend, the
conference would be compromised. Yet by the end of a week of
haggling over resolutions in the NGO Forum, there was now
far greater unity of anger against the U.S. government. The
U.S., along with other Western countries, had tried to
intimidate NGO delegates into meaningless, toothless
declarations against racism in general with no mention of
specific countries or specific atrocities or specific
policies of redress and reparations. There was tremendous
anger at the way the U.S. had approached the entire
conference, beginning with its early use of threats as a way
to bully the many other countries for whom the U.N. is a
critical vehicle. One Black woman asserted, "The U.S.
withdrawal is the first principled thing that the U.S. has
done. There is a profound conflict of interest in that the
U.S. is the main source of world racism. How can it come and
try to impose its will on a world conference against
racism?"
There was widespread agreement that the issue of U.S.
reparations to the Third World for the transatlantic slave
trade had to be the main focus of our demands. Yet, as in
both conferences, the issue of Palestine took center stage
for debate. How should we challenge the U.S., in particular,
for its use of Israel as a foil to withdraw participation?
Several delegates argued that while they were in support of
the Palestinian cause, they felt it was deflecting focus
away from the demands for Black reparations. This led to a
spirited and somewhat heated debate. Sandra Jaribu Hill, an
attorney from Mississippi, argued that she believed the
Palestinian issue was not a "diversion" but a central focus
in the world struggle against racism and imperialism. She
raised the question, "How could blacks in the U.S. isolate
themselves from such a front-line struggle in the world,
especially one that is under tremendous attack and is in so
much need of worldwide support?" Others expressed concern
that there was even a tendency in the reparations movement
to focus too much on blacks within the U.S. and not seek
enough solidarity with the nations of Africa, the Caribbean,
and Latin America.
***
Anyone who read my earlier commentary knows that I left the
U.S. with the intent to demonstrate that there are Jews in
the U.S. who care deeply about Palestinian rights, as well
as whites in the U.S. who want to challenge the racist
policies of our government -- as part of a strategy to help
coalesce the left, anti-imperialist forces against racism.
This is the sentiment I chose to express to the members of
our ad-hoc group:
"As a Jew, I am very upset about the provocative role that
the U.S. and Israel are playing at the conference in trying
to make it seem like "anti-Semitism," rather than principled
criticisms of U.S. and Israeli policy. I am of course
outraged by anti-Semitism, but my focus is on the German
holocaust and U.S. complicity with it. Like many Jews who
joined the civil rights movement and the black liberation
movement, I was moved into action by my experience of
anti-Semitism from Christian whites, not blacks. While of
course there is anti-Semitism and there are even
anti-Semites in all movements, including the Palestinian
movement, the Palestinian movement itself is not
anti-Semitic. It is a movement for national liberation. The
Israelis want to leave the conference because they do not
want to subject their policies to an international debate --
53 years of occupation of Palestinian lands, the murder of
Palestinian civilians in violation of the Nuremberg
statutes, the denial of a viable homeland to the Palestinian
people, and now the new tactic of targeted missile
assassinations of Palestinian leaders. In fact, the U.S., as
an anti-Semitic country, does not give a damn about Jews or
for that matter about Israel; rather the U.S. government is
using Israel as its stalking horse in the Middle East -- and
at this conference. Moreover, the Israeli government and
Zionism itself are not the same as Jews, does not speak for
Jews, but rather represent a specific political tendency
within the Jews of the world. As we all must make choices in
life, I stand with the Palestinians."
After further discussion and debate, a motion to highlight
both the struggles of the Palestinians and the slave trade
was passed by perhaps 90% of the 200 people still remaining.
Several people proposed that we attempt to seat ourselves as
the "real" US delegation, in the spirit of the Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party challenge of 1964. But others
observed that in fact we had no legitimacy to represent U.S.
NGOs, let alone any social movements in the U.S.; we had the
right and obligation to protest, but to be careful about who
we did and did not represent. Still, the idea in microcosm
was important. What if at some time in the future, a more
unified U.S. anti-racist movement was able to agree upon a
united front of delegates representing important
constituencies and movements in the U.S.? This discussion
shed light on the present state of disunity and
disorganization of the movement and challenged us to
continue this work at home.
We agreed upon a group of spokespeople that included Adjoa
Aiyetoro, a well-known and respected activist in the
reparations movement, as well as Linda Roots, Thema Bryant,
Juana-Majel Dixon, Youmna Chlala, Ai-Jen-Poo and myself. It
was time to stop talking and start marching. We took to the
streets with the plan to end in a rally in front of the
International Convention Center. Others joined us as we
chanted, "Stop US Racism -- All Over the World" and "The
People, United, Will Never Be Defeated." Many Third World
delegates, sitting or standing along the streets, cheered us
onward -- evidently happy to see a U.S. delegation, any
delegation, taking on the U.S. government. The militancy and
politics of the demonstration attracted international media
coverage as we had hoped -- with CNN running feed that was
seen throughout South Africa and at least as far as Los
Angeles.
We reconvened the next morning for a rally that took on a
life of its own, with many people speaking to the press. We
had a movement of 200 spokespeople, talking into microphones
and cameras. Indigenous people took center stage. Meanwhile
that morning, the United States UN delegation officially
withdrew from the conference, allegedly in protest against
"anti-Israeli" statements. Some in the bourgeois press
claimed that the Palestinians and Arabs had "hijacked" the
conference by not compromising with the "reasonable"
European and Israeli powers. Others commented that the U.S.
walkout had fatally damaged the chance for a "unity of
action" on world racism, essentially sinking all hopes for a
successful outcome for the conference. One more thoughtful
South African newspaper did tell it like it is, that in fact
the U.S. used the struggle over Israeli policy as a pretext
to leave the conference because it feared the debate about
the transatlantic slave trade, the culpability of the U.S.
and Europe in "crimes against humanity," and the inevitable
and logical programmatic response of massive reparations to
the nations of Africa and black people inside the U.S.
Let me be clear that our press rally represented only one
tendency within the broader U.S. NGO arena -- a "united
front," I would say, between the black nationalist left in
its various ideological reflections and the anti-racist,
anti-imperialist, socialist left (in this instance, also
majority black). Still, given the tremendous lack of unity
in the U.S., this group managed to find unity of line and
action, agree upon spokespeople, and pull off a spontaneous
but effective rally within hours. In a small but significant
way, the U.S. delegates with whom I worked offered a
counter-hegemonic analysis, conveying successfully to people
in the U.S. and in the UN conference itself that there was
another voice in the United States. In fact, for a day and a
half there was widespread outrage throughout all the U.S.
NGOs taking many forms, from virtually every U.S. NGO
delegate trying to disassociate from the government's
actions to more boldness on the part of many forces in the
upcoming UN negotiations.
By noon the anger and energy had dissipated, and we had to
reintegrate ourselves into the deadly technicalities of the
UN conference or find other things to do. I chose to attend
two workshops, which were in fact anything but dull. One
addressed the problems of indigenous women, with ten amazing
speakers each expressing outrage and first-hand organizing
stories of resistance by the more than 400 million
indigenous women throughout the world -- from Hawaii,
Colombia, Nigeria, Sudan. A second workshop of 300 people
led by African scholars and activists focused in detail on
the transatlantic slave trade. In this workshop I heard the
apparent news that as a result of organizing pressure,
France would be the first Western power to agree on the
terms "crimes against humanity" and acknowledge its role in
the transatlantic slave trade.
When I get home I will reflect on my time in Durban and
write a more comprehensive overview of the experience; it is
just too much to comprehend at this time. I want to put
together the interviews I have done and seek out a few other
participants to pursue my thinking. Still, two preliminary
conclusions of some optimism prevail.
First, I think it is useful to see the U.S. withdrawal as a
sign of weakness not strength. The countries of the world
put the question on the table -- What is racism? And the
U.S. is by definition put on the defensive. The U.S. walked
into South Africa not to a U.S. Security Council meeting
that it could control, but to a conference against racism.
The U.S. cannot lead a world-wide anti-racist,
anti-imperialist movement. This was a Third World conference
filled with Third World people. Even the U.S. NGO
delegations were people of color. Rather, the U.S. is and
has been the target of much of the work here. While country
after country talked about stopping "unchallenged hegemony,"
U.S. bullying didn't work. It was infuriating to the U.S.,
as one delegate told me, to have the delegation hold up its
card to speak and be preempted by Gambia or Malaysia or
Brazil. "Don't you know who we are?" the U.S. conveys, and
the response time and again was "We certainly do!" The U.S.
decision to send a low-level delegation was given the "low
level" treatment it deserved. The two things the U.S. didn't
want the UN to do, it did: support Palestine and interrogate
the Transatlantic slave trade. Since the basis of hegemony
is domination by consent, U.S. hegemony suffered a blow.
While U.S. imperialism's economic and military strength is
unchallenged, in this battle it was defeated politically and
diplomatically by the Third World.
Second, you have to have been here to see the profound role
that the Cubans played. Fidel Castro arrived in Durban with
the reminder that Africa is the ancestral motherland of most
of the 11 million people of Cuba. Castro swept through the
city, speaking before the ANC, the UN Conference, and,
unexpectedly, before the final session of the NGO Forum!
There can be no doubt that Castro's statement at the UN
conference has galvanized a weak and often dispirited Third
World. Some delegates may be comprador bourgeoisie, or
Western identified, or complete sell outs. Some may be
moderates, others revolutionaries. But they are all
Africans, Asians, and Latin Americans. In their hearts, and
souls, even if they don't have the courage, they want to see
the U.S. get its ass kicked. To see Fidel Castro walk into
the convention with such confidence and the ability to speak
his own mind -- the leader of a tiny nation-state constantly
in grave danger of U.S. invasion -- is a world event hard to
comprehend. And in that brief moment, the power of an
anti-imperialist socialism gives Fidel -- not the U.S. --
the real title of "leader of the free world."
I leave you with an excerpt from Fidel's WCAR speech:
"Nobody has the right to sabotage this conference which, in
some way, is attempting to alleviate the terrible suffering
and enormous injustice that these deeds have signified and
still signify for the overwhelming majority of humanity. Far
less does anybody have the right to impose conditions, and
demand that the issue of historical responsibility and just
reparations are not even mentioned, or the way in which we
decide to qualify the horrific genocide at this very minute
being committed against our sister nation of Palestine
(applause) on the part of extreme-right leaders who, in
alliance with the hegemonic superpower, are currently acting
in the name of another people which, over close to 2000
years, was the victim of the greatest persecution,
discrimination and injustice committed in history."
(Applause)
"When Cuba talks of compensation and supports this idea as
an ineludible moral duty to the victims of racism, it has an
important precedent in the compensation being received by
the descendents of those very Jewish peoples who, right in
the heart of Europe, suffered an odious and brutal racist
holocaust. However, it is not with the intent of attempting
the impossible search for direct family members or concrete
countries of origin of the victims in terms of deeds that
occurred over centuries. The real and irrefutable fact is
that tens of millions of Africans were captured, sold like
merchandise and dispatched to the other side of the Atlantic
to work as slaves, and that 70 million native Indians died
in the western hemisphere as a consequence of European
conquest and colonization." (Applause)
"The inhuman exploitation to which people of the three
continents, including Asia, were subjected, has affected the
destiny and present-day life of over 4.5 billion persons
inhabiting the Third World nations, and whose indices of
poverty, unemployment, infant mortality, life prospects and
other disasters impossible to enumerate in a brief speech,
are both shocking and horrifying. These are the current
victims of that barbarity that lasted for centuries, and the
unmistakable creditors of reparations for the horrendous
crimes committed against their ancestors and peoples."
(Applause)
For full text of Fidel Castro's WCAR speech see the
following sites:
Spanish language
http://www.cubagov.cu/marquesina/sep31discurso.htm
English language translation
http://www.granma.cu/ingles/septiem1/36compen-i.html
Eric Mann has been an anti-racist, civil rights,
environmental, and labor organizer for 35 years. He is a
veteran of the Congress of Racial Equality, Students for a
Democratic Society, and spent ten years as a United Auto
Workers assembly line worker. He is presently a member of
the Planning Committee of the L.A. Bus Riders Union and the
director of the Labor/Community Strategy Center. The views
expressed in this article are his own.
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Subject: INGLES GRANMA INTERNACIONAL DIGITAL, CUBA.htm
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:58:51 -0400
INGLES GRANMA INTERNACIONAL DIGITAL, CUBA
September 4, 2001
Compensation is a moral duty to the victims of
racism
SPEECH GIVEN BY FIDEL CASTRO RUZ, FIRST SECRETARY
OF THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF CUBA AND PRESIDENT OF THE
COUNCILS OF STATE AND MINISTERS, AT THE PLENARY SESSION OF THE WORLD
CONFERENCE AGAINST RACISM, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, XENOPHOBIA AND RELATED
FORMS OF INTOLERANCE, DURBAN, SOUTH AFRICA, SEPTEMBER 1, 2001, �YEAR OF THE
VICTORIOUS REVOLUTION IN THE NEW MILLENNIUM.�
(Typescript version of the Council of State)
Your Excellencies;
Delegates and invited guests:
RACISM, racial discrimination and xenophobia
constitute a social, cultural and political phenomenon, not a natural human
instinct: they are the direct offspring of wars, military conquest,
enslavement and the individual or collective exploitation of the weakest by
the most powerful throughout the length of the history of human societies.
Nobody has the right to sabotage this conference
which, in some way, is attempting to alleviate the terrible suffering and
enormous injustice that these deeds have signified and still signify for the
overwhelming majority of humanity. Far less does anybody have the right to
impose conditions, and demand that the issue of historical responsibility
and just reparations are not even mentioned, or the way in which we decide
to qualify the horrific genocide at this very minute being committed against
our sister nation of Palestine (Applause) on the part of extreme-right
leaders who, in alliance with the hegemonic superpower, are currently acting
in the name of another people which, over close to 2000 years, was the
victim of the greatest persecution, discrimination and injustice committed
in history.
When Cuba talks of compensation and supports this
idea as an ineludible moral duty to the victims of racism, it has an
important precedent in the compensation being received by the descendents of
those very Jewish peoples who, right in the heart of Europe, suffered an
odious and brutal racist holocaust, rather than attempting the impossible
search for direct family members or concrete countries of origin of the
victims in terms of deeds that occurred over centuries. The real and
irrefutable fact is that tens of millions of Africans were captured, sold
like merchandise and dispatched to the other side of the Atlantic to work as
slaves, and that 70 million native Indians died in the western hemisphere as
a consequence of European conquest and colonization. (Applause)
The inhuman exploitation to which people of the
three continents, including Asia, were subjected, has affected the destiny
and present-day life of over 4.5 billion persons inhabiting the Third World
nations, and whose indices of poverty, unemployment, infant mortality, life
prospects and other disasters impossible to enumerate in a brief speech, are
both shocking and horrifying. These are the current victims of that
barbarity that lasted for centuries, and the unmistakable creditors of
reparations for the horrendous crimes committed against their ancestors and
peoples. (Applause)
Brutal exploitation did not terminate when many
countries gained their independence, nor even after the formal abolition of
slavery. From the early years of independence, the principal ideologists of
the United States constituted by the 13 colonies that freed themselves from
British dominion at the end of the 18th century created concepts and
strategies unquestionably expansionist in nature. By virtue of those ideas,
in their advance towards the West the former white colonists of European
origin seized land occupied for thousands of years by its indigenous Indian
inhabitants land and exterminated millions of them. They did not halt at the
borders of lands that were formerly Spanish possessions, and Mexico, a Latin
American country that attained its independence in 1821, was likewise
stripped of millions of square kilometers and incalculable natural
resources. The abominable and inhumane slavery system was maintained in the
increasingly powerful and expansive nation that emerged in North America for
nearly one hundred years after the famous 1776 Declaration of Independence,
which proclaimed that all men are born free and equal.
After the merely formal abolition of slavery, for a
further century African Americans were subjected to the cruelest racial
discrimination, many of whose traits and consequences have continued in
place for virtually four decades and to date, after the heroic battles and
the advances gained in the �60s, which cost the lives of Martin Luther King,
Malcolm X and other outstanding fighters. (Applause) For purely racist
reasons, the worst and the longest prison sentences fall to the lot of
African Americans, and within U.S. society it is they who suffer the
greatest poverty and the worst living conditions (Applause). Equally
terrible and even worse are the contempt for and discrimination against what
remains of the indigenous populations that occupied a large part of current
U.S. territory.
One does not have to mention data on the economic
and social state of Africa. Entire countries and even complete regions of
Sub-Saharan Africa are at risk of disappearing due to an extremely complex
combination of economic backwardness, extreme poverty and serious
diseases�old and new�which are scourging those nations. The situation in a
large number of Asian countries is no less tragic. Add to that fabulous and
irrecoverable debts, unequal terms of trade, ruinous prices for their basic
products, a demographic explosion, neoliberal globalization and climatic
changes, with their consequence of prolonged drought alternating with
increasingly dramatic rains and flooding. It can be mathematically
demonstrated that such a situation is unsustainable. (Applause)
The developed countries and their consumer
societies, currently responsible for the accelerated and virtually
unstoppable destruction of the environment, have been the largest
beneficiaries of the conquest, enslavement, merciless exploitation and
extermination of hundreds of millions of the sons and daughters of the
peoples now constituting the Third World, for the economic order imposed on
humanity after two monstrous and destructive wars for the re-division of the
world and its markets, for the privileges conceded to the United States and
its allies at Bretton Woods, for the International Monetary Fund and the
international financial institutions created exclusively by them and for
them. (Applause)
This rich and spendthrift world possesses the
technical and financial resources to pay off its debt to humanity. The
hegemonic superpower moreover, should pay off the particular debt it has
with African Americans, with the American Indians herded into the
reservations, and to tens of millions of Latin American, Caribbean
immigrants and those from other poor countries, whether of Asian, African or
mixed-racial origin, victims of discrimination and contempt.
The time has equally come to put an end to the
dramatic situation of the indigenous communities in the rest of our
hemisphere. Their awakening, their own struggle and universal
acknowledgement of the monstrous crime committed against them make it
impossible to postpone.
The funds needed to save the world from tragedy
exist.
Finally call a complete halt to the arms race and
weapons trading, which only generate desolation and death. (Applause)
Redirect to development the major part of the
trillions of dollars annually spent on commercial publicity, the forger of
consumer illusions and habits that are impossible to achieve, together with
the poison that is destroying national identities and cultures.
Fulfil the promised hand over of the modest 0.7% of
your Gross Domestic Product as aid to development.
Establish in a reasonable and effective form the
taxation system on speculative operations proposed by Nobel Prize Winner
James Tobin (Applause), which currently amount to trillions of dollars per
day; and the United Nations, which cannot continue depending on miserable,
insufficient monies, late donations and charity; make available one trillion
dollars to save and develop the world. Did you hear that properly? One
trillion dollars per year. There are more than a few of us in the world who
know had to add, subtract, multiply and divide. I am not exaggerating. Given
the gravity and urgency of current problems that are even threatening the
life of our species on the planet, that is what is really needed before it
is too late.
Put an immediate end the genocide of the
Palestinian people (Applause) that is taking place before the shocked eyes
of the world. Protect the elemental right to life of its citizens, its youth
and its children. Respect its right to independence and peace, and you will
have nothing to fear from UN documents.
I am well aware that, in the search to alleviate
the terrible situation in which their countries find themselves, many
African friends and those from other regions have suggested using the
necessary prudence to obtain something from this conference. I understand
them but I cannot renounce my conviction that the more frankly the truth is
told, the greater the possibility of being heard and respected. (Applause)
Centuries of deception are more than enough.
I have only three brief questions based on a truth
that nobody can disregard.
The developed and rich capitalist countries are
currently participating in the imperialist system and economic order imposed
on the world, which is based on the philosophy of egotism and brutal
competition among people, nations and blocs, which is completely removed
from any sentiment of solidarity and international cooperation. They live
within a deceitful, irresponsible and hallucinatory atmosphere of the
consumer society. However sincere blind faith in such a system and the
convictions of their most serious statesmen might be, are they capable of
comprehending the gravity of the present-day world, ruled in its incoherent
and unequal development by blind laws, the colossal superpower and the
interest of the transnational companies, which are steadily growing larger,
more uncontrollable and more independent? (Applause) Can they comprehend the
approaching universal chaos and rebellion? Although they might wish to, can
they put an end to racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and other
related forms of intolerance, which are precisely all the others?
From my point of view, we are facing a major
economic, social and political crisis of a global nature. Let us be aware of
these realities. Alternatives will arise. History has demonstrated that
great solutions have only emerged from great crisis. The right of the
peoples to life and justice will inevitably impose itself.
I believe in the mobilization and struggle of the
peoples! (Applause) I believe in just ideas! I believe in the truth! I
believe in humanity!
Thank you.
(Ovation)
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DLJ- Granted the Greens are better organized...so are the Republicans, it doesn't make them a better or worse option or address the issues at hand. The UF we specifically refer to at U&S is, yes, one aimed at the most reactionary & therefore dangerous rep.s of imperialism. It the effort if weakened when these people are allowed into positions of power. (examples, infinitum) This is one contention. Also, we talk of building a united front as the BASIS for an independant party--we see the Greens working with some groups like POP, etc, etc at the street level. What we don't see is the alternative party being made up of all these groups, rather, the Greens claiming to represent them, and thus when it comes to electoral politics the UF effort breaks down and they 'go-it-alone." Importantly, is that the whole process of developing the third party movement through UF/Coalition building is also a process of organizing & empowering the people to do for themselves, that they are equal participants in the process, and the movement/party will therefor be theirs. Rather, the Greens idea is to do FOR the people(& not just the greens, I can remember not too long ago NJFO/CU/NBPC etc.-so it's a CLASS question)Which leads to backwards notions that "The People are the problem, They don't get it" Classic quote from Greens. SO it's not that I want them doing it my way or no way. That's silly. What it is is We need to do it together, from the street level to the electoral level, and as the last election showed, NO ONE GROUP (esp. one made up of primarily white, mid-class) can claim to represent all others. -Easy, Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: <dlj@...> Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [poprogress] Waxing Joe, Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, ... Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:41:07 -0400 Matt people do form united fronts all the time and get things done. The problem I see is that you want them to form that united front along your lines, and if no one does, you think there is a problem with organization. That's not right. The Greens are better organized than you. They have been at this for years. Hell, the Green Party didn't even start in the US it is an international thing. Things fall apart when our group of 20 wants to have a study hall the same time another is taking place. Hello? -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:10 AM To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [poprogress] Waxing Joe, Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, ... Joe- This is a straw-man premise- We have said repeatedly that it is the "progressive politics" aspect of, not only the Greens (where POP work is a good model), but of any and all on the left that we stress should form a united front/left-bloc. It is indeed the go-it-alone (not progressive) nature of the Green Party that caused it NOT TO ENDORSE A LEFT_BLOC/UF & rather helped swing the national vote to Bush, while the 'masses' sniffed the danger in Nader and stayed away (which Howard has characterized as "The people are the problem"--a typical P.B./Green refrain, usually followed by "It's good that Bush is in office, because deeper oppression will cause the people to act") --Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: jfortun845@... Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [poprogress] Re: [nbpc] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, ... Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:33:23 EDT In a message dated 8/28/01 5:06:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vivaohio@... writes: > very opportunism that is behind the "We're it!"/Go-it-alone syndrome that is > Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. We have said many times that we are "one part of" a progressive movement. Our work with POP and others is an example of putting this theory into practice. Just because we won't liquidate our progressive politics into the Democratic Party, it does not follow that we "go-it-alone." Joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Green Party candidate for NJ Gov sez answer to Bushwacking of National Elections is "Instant Run-Offs" ( Aug '01 "GreenGram".) So he has neither an understanding of Civil RIghts Movement struggle Against Run-offs, which are used like Nwk Creeps did to Ras (Baraka) in '98, to defeat progressive candidates. Neither does he understand that People's Democracy requires PARLIAMENTARY SYSTEM, where smallest sector of voters have representatives in UNICAMERAL CONGRESS! Apparently he has not a wink that Run-Offs in a bi cameral �constitutional monarchy " which US, with completely unrepresentational bourgeois Watchdog SENATE, can be equated to,.would completely waste so called 3rd parties. Revolutionary Democracy must build movement for COMPLETE Peoples' Democratic reform of Electoral System, not fake "Left" reactionary social-democratic Objective support for undemocratic imperialist US! - Green is Right! -Amiri Baraka(excerpt from joe) >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Waxing DLJ,Joe, Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, ... >Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 20:09:15 > >DLJ- Granted the Greens are better organized...so are the Republicans, it >doesn't make them a better or worse option or address the issues at hand. >The UF we specifically refer to at U&S is, yes, one aimed at the most >reactionary & therefore dangerous rep.s of imperialism. It the effort if >weakened when these people are allowed into positions of power. (examples, >infinitum) This is one contention. Also, we talk of building a united >front >as the BASIS for an independant party--we see the Greens working with some >groups like POP, etc, etc at the street level. What we don't see is the >alternative party being made up of all these groups, rather, the Greens >claiming to represent them, and thus when it comes to electoral politics >the >UF effort breaks down and they 'go-it-alone." Importantly, is that the >whole process of developing the third party movement through UF/Coalition >building is also a process of organizing & empowering the people to do for >themselves, that they are equal participants in the process, and the >movement/party will therefor be theirs. Rather, the Greens idea is to do >FOR the people(& not just the greens, I can remember not too long ago >NJFO/CU/NBPC etc.-so it's a CLASS question)Which leads to backwards notions >that "The People are the problem, They don't get it" Classic quote from >Greens. SO it's not that I want them doing it my way or no way. That's >silly. What it is is We need to do it together, from the street level to >the electoral level, and as the last election showed, NO ONE GROUP (esp. >one >made up of primarily white, mid-class) can claim to represent all others. >-Easy, Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: <dlj@...> >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [poprogress] Waxing Joe, Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, ... >Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 09:41:07 -0400 > >Matt people do form united fronts all the time and get things done. The >problem I see is that you want them to form that united front along your >lines, and if no one does, you think there is a problem with organization. >That's not right. The Greens are better organized than you. They have been >at this for years. Hell, the Green Party didn't even start in the US it is >an international thing. Things fall apart when our group of 20 wants to >have >a study hall the same time another is taking place. Hello? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 5:10 AM >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [poprogress] Waxing Joe, Wroth, Fred, Matthew, Howard, ... > > >Joe- This is a straw-man premise- We have said repeatedly that it is the >"progressive politics" aspect of, not only the Greens (where POP work is a >good model), but of any and all on the left that we stress should form a >united front/left-bloc. It is indeed the go-it-alone (not progressive) >nature of the Green Party that caused it NOT TO ENDORSE A LEFT_BLOC/UF & >rather helped swing the national vote to Bush, while the 'masses' sniffed >the danger in Nader and stayed away (which Howard has characterized as "The >people are the problem"--a typical P.B./Green refrain, usually followed by >"It's good that Bush is in office, because deeper oppression will cause the >people to act") --Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: jfortun845@... >Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [poprogress] Re: [nbpc] Rothenberg, Waxing Wroth, Fred, >Matthew, Howard, ... >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:33:23 EDT > >In a message dated 8/28/01 5:06:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >vivaohio@... writes: > > > > very opportunism that is behind the "We're it!"/Go-it-alone syndrome >that >is > > > >Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. We have said many times >that we are "one part of" a progressive movement. Our work with POP and >others is an example of putting this theory into practice. Just because we >won't liquidate our progressive politics into the Democratic Party, it does >not follow that we "go-it-alone." > >Joe > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges the greater movement at large to read and forward this email message far and wide. The repressive acts that the Puerto Rican Colonial government has engaged against activists in Puerto Rico has reached a new milestone. It is important that people become aware of this repression and become in solidarity with the Vieques struggle and the struggle to free all of our Political Prisoners!! ProLibertad will be re-forwarding a previous message sent out in July that will give the current update a historical continuity. FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! END THE REPRESSION AGAINST ANTI-NAVY AND ANTI-COLONIAL ACTIVISTS!! ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ UNI�N DE JUVENTUDES SOCIALISTAS (UJS-MST) Apartado 22699, Estaci�n UPR, San Juan, PR 00931 September 9, 2001 San Juan, Puerto Rico Federal Judge H�ctor Lafitte, who is conducting the case against young student Pedro Col�n Almenas, did not allow Agent Galindo or Agent Walters to testify about details over the investigation which would show that this case is a frame-up caused by political motives. In a meeting among FBI and Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID) agents, the FBI stated that the reason for assuming jurisdiction over this case was due to the "political situation in Puerto Rico" and the fact that "the student is a pro-independence activist". Agent Walters, of the Army CID, declared that what occurred on April 30 at the ROTC facilities in R�o Piedras (events for which Col�n Almenas is being accused) was a "small skirmish" from which only a simple aggression resulted and that therefore he does not understand why the prosecution filed charges of aggravated assault. After the jury retreated, Col�n Almenas' attorneys Juan Ram�n Acevedo and Linda Backiel argumented that it is the government itself that has accepted that this is a case of a political nature and that therefore the testimonies of agents Galindo and Walters should be allowed. Jimmy Torres, Assistant to the Chancellor of the University of Puerto Rico, R�o Piedras Campus, testified that in a meeting with district attorney V�zquez (who leads the case) and FBI Agent Alvarado, these let him know that "they wanted to make an example for the students out of Pedro Col�n's case", given the present political situation in Puerto Rico regarding the struggle against the presence of the US Navy in Vieques. Furthermore, the witnesses presented by the prosecutor contradicted each other numerous times. The descriptions of the accused that were given did not match with that of Col�n Almenas. As a matter of fact, ROTC Cadet V�lez initially identified three different individuals. However, Agent Galindo only investigated one of the descriptions, he followed only one lead, adjusting the description to that of the accused. Why didn't the FBI investigate the other descriptions that were received and that appeared in Galindo's own notes? Would it be because these exonerate Col�n Almenas? This again proves that this case is a vile frame-up with obvious political motives. Agent Galindo stated that the investigation related to the events occurred on April 30 is not over. In other words, he made us know that persecution will continue. In the light of this, university students will not yield in our antimilitarist struggle and will not allow them to intimidate us. The best proof of this will be the march that will take place next Tuesday, September 11, at the R�o Piedras Campus. The march called "To study without the military" will start at 10AM and will be coming out of General Studies Faculty and will end at ROTC facilities on Barbosa Avenue. The trial will continue tomorrow, Monday, at 9AM. The prosecution and Pedro Colon's counsel have already finished presenting the evidence. Only the closing statements of both parts are left and then the jury will retreat in order to deliberate. We are hoping this happens some time near midday. Ricardo Olivero Lora Spokesperson Uni�n de Juventudes Socialistas (UJS) Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores (MST) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________Update as of Midday: Pedro Colon Almenas has been found guilty by Judge Hector Lafitte. Pedro has been set free pending sentencing; Lafitte will sentence Pedro in January. Lafitte has ordered Pedro not to participate in any political activities while he is free, giving further proof that this is a political inquistion against a young socialist/youth activist. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
ProLibertad reforwards this message to give a historical continuity to the recent update we have sent out on Pedro Colon's case. ______________________________________________________________________ Brothers and Sisters, This Press Release came to the attention of ProLibertad earlier today and we want to inform the greater movement of the recent repressive acts that are taking place in Puerto Rico. Historically, the state has used the tactic of identfying movement leaders and incacerating them under false and vague charges, as a way of interrupting work and draining resources. This repressive act always occurrs in a period of upsurge, when the community is active and mobilizing itself. ProLibertad is calling for the greater movement to help in whatever way it can and to lend support to the organizations in Puerto Rico that are at the forefront of the Vieques work, student movement, socialist struggle, and independence struggle in a time when repression is beginning to increase throughout the island. For more info. on this matter contact ProLibertad at ProLibertad@... Union of Socialist Youth (U.J.S.) Socialist Movement of Workers (M.S.T.) P.O. Box 22699, UPR Station, San Juan, Puerto Rico 00931 For More Information: (787) 763-6946 PRESS RELEASE July 3, 2001 Today, Tuesday, July 3, 2001, at approximately 5 p.m. 8 agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (F.B.I.), went to the home of university student Pedro Colon Almenas to arrest him. Pedro was alone with his mother when the squad of F.B.I. agents arrived. They arrested him on trumped up charges surrounding the protest of the R.O.T.C. offices against the morning exercises by the ROTC at the Rio Piedras Campus of the University of Puerto Rico called by the students on April 30th. It is significant that this arrest takes place 2 months after the events of April 30th, barely a week until the end of the U.S. Navy maneuvers in Vieques and the day before the 4th of July. Pedro Colon Almenas is a member of the Union de Juventudes Socialsita (U.J.S. - Union of Socialist Youth), the youth organization affiliated with the Movimiento Socialista de Trabajadores (M.S.T. - Socialist Movement of Workers). The U.J.S. has carried out a continuous 2 year campaign of political denunciation of the military presence at the University. The M.S.T. organized a brigade that was able to penetrate the firing range in Vieques during the recent military practices and was able to halt the bombings according to the very admission of the U.S. Navy. Given this reality, we denounce this arrest as a clear reprisal on the part of the F.B.I. in retaliation for the actions of civil disobedience carrited out by the M.S.T. in just the last two weeks. In addition, this is part of a public relations ploy by the F.B.I. as a component of their efforts to promote the campaign of political hysteria that has been unleashed by the most right-wing conservative sectors of the New Progressive Party (pro-statehood party) (PNP), which they began with their attack on the chapel in front of the Legislature in San Juan and culminates in their 4th of July activities. This arrest is yet another attack by the repressive aparatus of the Federal Government against the Puerto Rican people in our struggle to get the U.S. Navy out of Vieques. We make a call to the people of Puerto Rico to demonstrate solidarity with student Pedro Colon Almenas in the face of this blatant frame-up and act of political persecution by the F.B.I. Ricardo Olivero Lora Union de Juventudes Socialistas (UJS-MST)
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Taliban condemn attacks in
U.S., deny bin Laden's
involvement
By KATHY GANNON
The Associated Press
9/11/01 1:24 PM
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Afghanistan's hardline Taliban
rulers condemned the devastating terrorist attacks in New
York and Washington on Tuesday and rejected
suggestions that Osama bin Laden could be behind them.
"We never support terrorism. We too are targets of
terrorism," Abdul Hai Muttmain, the Taliban's spokesman
in the southern city of Kandahar, told The Associated
Press in a telephone interview.
After the attacks, a London-based Arab journalist said
followers of bin Laden warned three weeks ago that they
would carry out a "huge and unprecedented attack" on
U.S. interests.
Abdel-Bari Atwan, editor of the Al-Quds al-Arabi
newspaper, said he received a warning from Islamic
fundamentalists close to bin Laden, but did not take the
threat seriously.
"They said it would be a huge and unprecedented attack
but they did not specify," Atwan said in a telephone
interview in London.
"We usually receive this kind of thing. At the time we did
not take the warnings seriously as they had happened
several times in the past and nothing happened. "This time
it seems his people were accurate and meant every word
they said."
Atwan, who interviewed bin Laden in 1996 and has since
maintained contacts with his followers, said he believed the
attack on the World Trade Center in New York was the
work of "an Islamic fundamentalist group" close to bin
Laden.
But Muttmain, who is the spokesman for the Taliban's
reclusive leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and one of the
most senior Taliban officials, dismissed allegations that
bin
Laden could be behind the attacks in the United States.
"Such a big conspiracy, to have infiltrated in such a major
way is impossible for Osama," said Muttmain. He said bin
Laden does not have the facilities to orchestrate such a
major assault within the United States.
Afghanistan's Taliban rulers, who espouse a harsh brand of
Islamic law, have resisted U.S. demands to hand over bin
Laden, indicted in the United States on charges of
masterminding the bombings of two U.S. Embassies in
East Africa in 1998 that killed 224 people, including 12
Americans.
After the attacks in East Africa, Washington retaliated with
a blistering missile attack in August 1998, sending more
than 70 Tomahawk cruise missiles into eastern
Afghanistan apparently targeting training camps operated
by bin Laden.
The attacks killed about 20 followers of bin Laden's but the
exiled Saudi millionaire escaped unhurt. Since then he has
been forced by the Taliban rulers to stop giving interviews
and making statements.
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
redistributed.
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>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >CC: jerm@... >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Fwd: (no subject) >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:00:37 +0000 > > > > > >From: Amirib@... > >To: jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > >Subject: (no subject) > >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:32:54 EDT > > > >"IMPEACH BUSH!" THE HEADLINE GETS LESS FANTASTIC > > > > > > U&S does not support Terror, as the main mode of revolutionary > >transformation of society, but the violent, greedy state terror of US > >imperialism, which has characterized the Bullwacker regime in 10 short > >months, has dialectally driven some forces in the world to launch a > >dialectically similar kind of attack! > > > > Our headline for this issue IMPEACH BUSH, might have seemed >a > >little farfetched to some, before the events of early morning Trues Sept > >11.2001! When a multi pronged attack on the major symbols of US >Imperialist > >Power was carried out, apparently by persons taking over US domestic > >flights > >on AMERICAN AIRLINES AND UNITED AIRLINES (just to make it clear) and > >blowing > >the top floors offf of the two towers of the World Trade Center, (Wall >St) > >and destroying large parts of The Pentagon , the seat of US military > >terror! > > > > BEWARE THE MINDLESS FRENZY OF THE BEAST! > > > >So in the next few months we will see bombings, invasions, commando >raids, > >domestic intimidation and increased surveillance over US citizens by the > >CIA, > >FBI &c Veteran Revolutionaries and Organizations should be particularly > >security conscious. Reds, Blacks, Oppressed Nationalities, Arabs, Recent > >Immigrants > >shd take care! The far rights will even try to make a propaganda pogrom > >against the Jews, just as they are making one against the Arabs & >Muslims. > > The Bushwackers are already fingering Omar Bin Laden as the > >perpetrator, and although the Taliban who control Afghanistan deny any > >connection, it is probable that the Bushwacker will bomb and raid > >Afghanistan > >and other middle Eastern sites in a few minutes! > > > > Under the illegal, racist, Imperialist far right Bushwacker > >counterfeit presidency the fake us democracy has in defiance of the > >constitution, US law, the civil rights movement struggle mandated pledge >of > >equal rights and democracy, has alienated itself from even its staunchest > >imperialist allies, and set itself up as a lonely superpower and A. Rogue > >State! > > Bush2 has withdrawn from every international treaty aimed at > >stabilization of world tensions, exploited and in collusion with the > >Israeli > >war criminal, Sharon, escalated war in the middle east, liniated a new > >"Cold > >Ward" with China, dismissed every environmental, social, democratic > >statute > >the US people have mandated for the last half century, while embezzling >the > >national treasury , absconding with the so called "surplus":and so >putting > >Social Security at risk , increased unemplyment in the US over 5% and >even > >panicked his corporate masters on Wall St by causing the market to >plummet > >and their profit margins shrink! > > With the criminal seizure of the national elections in what > >amounted > >to a right wing coup, in effect hurling the social organization of the US > >back into the 19th century (Pre emancipation proclamation pre 13, 14 15th > >amendment. See "Bushwacked: A Counterfeit President for a Fake >Democracy", > >Amiri Baraka)) plus the "legalizing" of the confederate flag to declare >to > >the world the victory of the confederate traitor states over the US got, > >Bush, like Andre Johnson after the same forces murdered Lincoln, >eliminated > >the entire fabric of laws and statutes that came out of the civil war. > >Johnson's impeachment failed because of the intervention of the newly > >emerging US imperialism, REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY MUST BEGIN TO MOBILIZE > >AND > >ORGANIZE THE DEMOCRATIC US MASSES TO BUILD A "LEFT BLOC" TO IMPEACH BUSH, > >AIMING THE MAIN BLOW AT THE FAR RIGHT WHILE EXPOSING THE FAKE "LEFT" >PETTY > >BOURGEOIS LIBERALS, AND SO QUICKEN THE DESTRUCTION OF US IMPERIALISM IN > >THE > >21st CENTURY. > > FAILURE TO RID THE NATION OF THIS COUNTERFEIT PRESIDENT AND HIS > >ILLEGAL, WHITE SUPREMACIST, CORPORATE PROSTITUTE IMPERIALIST RULING JUNTA > >CAN > >ONLY LEAD THE US TOWARD ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, "LITTLE WARS" ACROSS THE >GLOBE, > >AND IN ALL PROBABILITY A CIVILIZATION HALTING GLOBAL CONFLICT. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
while otherwise on point, this view seems to neglect suspect #1: bush &co! cs > >"IMPEACH BUSH!" >THE HEADLINE GETS LESS FANTASTIC > >U&S does not support Terror, as the main mode of revolutionary >transformation of society, but the violent, greedy state terror of US >imperialism, which has characterized the Bushwacker regime in 10 short >months, has dialectally driven some forces in the world to launch a >dialectically similar kind of attack! > >Our headline for this issue: IMPEACH BUSH, might have seemed a little >farfetched to some, before the events of early morning Tues, Sept 11, 2001! >When a multi-pronged attack on the major symbols of US Imperialist Power >was >carried out, apparently by persons taking over US domestic flights on >AMERICAN AIRLINES AND UNITED AIRLINES (just to make it clear) and blowing >the top floors off of the two towers of the World Trade Center, (Wall St) >quickly resulting in their complete collapse, and destroying large parts of >The Pentagon, the seat of US military terror! > > BEWARE THE MINDLESS FRENZY OF THE BEAST! > > So in the next few months we will see bombings, invasions, commando raids, >domestic intimidation and increased surveillance over US citizens by the >CIA, FBI. Veteran Revolutionaries and Organizations should be particularly >security conscious. Reds, Blacks, Oppressed Nationalities, Arabs, Recent >Immigrants shd take care! The far-rights will even try to make a propaganda >pogrom against the Jews, just as they are making one against the Arabs & >Muslims. The Bushwackers are already fingering Osama Bin Laden as the >perpetrator, and although the Taliban who control Afghanistan deny any >connection, it is probable that the Bushwacker will bomb and raid >Afghanistan and other middle Eastern sites in a few minutes! > Under the illegal, racist, Imperialist far right Bushwacker >counterfeit >presidency, the fake US democracy--in defiance of the constitution, US law, >the civil rights movement struggle mandated pledge of equal rights and >democracy�has alienated itself from even its staunchest imperialist allies, >and set itself up as a lonely superpower and A. Rogue State! > Bush2 has withdrawn from every international treaty aimed at stabilization >of world tensions, exploited and in collusion with the Israeli war >criminal, >Sharon, escalated war in the middle east, delineated a new "Cold War" with >China, dismissed every environmental, social, democratic statute the US >people have mandated for the last half century, while embezzling the >national treasury, absconding with the so called "surplus" and thus putting >Social Security at risk and making any prescription-drug program for >Seniors >impossible, increasing unemployment in the US over 5% and even panicked >his >corporate masters on Wall St by causing the market to plummet and their >profit margins shrink! > With the criminal seizure of the national elections in what amounted >to >a right wing coup, in effect, hurling the social organization of the US >back >into the 19th century (Pre Emancipation Proclamation, pre-13, 14, 15th >amendment. (See "Bushwacked: A Counterfeit President for a Fake Democracy", >Amiri Baraka) plus the "legalizing" of the confederate flag to declare to >the world the victory of the confederate traitor states over the US >GOVERNMENT, Bush, like Andrew Johnson, who became president, after these >same forces murdered Lincoln, eliminated the entire fabric of laws and >statutes that came out of the civil war. Johnson's impeachment failed >because of the intervention of the newly emerging US Imperialism. > REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY MUST BEGIN TO MOBILIZE AND ORGANIZE THE >DEMOCRATIC US MASSES TO BUILD A "LEFT BLOC" TO IMPEACH BUSH, AIMING THE >MAIN >BLOW AT THE FAR RIGHT, WHILE EXPOSING THE FAKE "LEFT" PETTY BOURGEOIS >LIBERALS. AND SO QUICKEN THE DESTRUCTION OF US IMPERIALISM IN THE 21st >CENTURY. > FAILURE TO RID THE NATION OF THIS COUNTERFEIT PRESIDENT AND HIS >ILLEGAL, WHITE SUPREMACIST, CORPORATE PROSTITUTE IMPERIALIST RULING JUNTA, >CAN ONLY LEAD THE US TOWARD ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, "LITTLE WARS" ACROSS THE >GLOBE, AND IN ALL PROBABILITY A CIVILIZATION HALTING GLOBAL CONFLICT. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
while otherwise on point, this view seems to neglect suspect #1: bush &co! cs >"IMPEACH BUSH!" >THE HEADLINE GETS LESS FANTASTIC > >U&S does not support Terror, as the main mode of revolutionary >transformation of society, but the violent, greedy state terror of US >imperialism, which has characterized the Bushwacker regime in 10 short >months, has dialectally driven some forces in the world to launch a >dialectically similar kind of attack! > >Our headline for this issue: IMPEACH BUSH, might have seemed a little >farfetched to some, before the events of early morning Tues, Sept 11, 2001! >When a multi-pronged attack on the major symbols of US Imperialist Power >was >carried out, apparently by persons taking over US domestic flights on >AMERICAN AIRLINES AND UNITED AIRLINES (just to make it clear) and blowing >the top floors off of the two towers of the World Trade Center, (Wall St) >quickly resulting in their complete collapse, and destroying large parts of >The Pentagon, the seat of US military terror! > > BEWARE THE MINDLESS FRENZY OF THE BEAST! > > So in the next few months we will see bombings, invasions, commando raids, >domestic intimidation and increased surveillance over US citizens by the >CIA, FBI. Veteran Revolutionaries and Organizations should be particularly >security conscious. Reds, Blacks, Oppressed Nationalities, Arabs, Recent >Immigrants shd take care! The far-rights will even try to make a propaganda >pogrom against the Jews, just as they are making one against the Arabs & >Muslims. The Bushwackers are already fingering Osama Bin Laden as the >perpetrator, and although the Taliban who control Afghanistan deny any >connection, it is probable that the Bushwacker will bomb and raid >Afghanistan and other middle Eastern sites in a few minutes! > Under the illegal, racist, Imperialist far right Bushwacker >counterfeit >presidency, the fake US democracy--in defiance of the constitution, US law, >the civil rights movement struggle mandated pledge of equal rights and >democracy�has alienated itself from even its staunchest imperialist allies, >and set itself up as a lonely superpower and A. Rogue State! > Bush2 has withdrawn from every international treaty aimed at stabilization >of world tensions, exploited and in collusion with the Israeli war >criminal, >Sharon, escalated war in the middle east, delineated a new "Cold War" with >China, dismissed every environmental, social, democratic statute the US >people have mandated for the last half century, while embezzling the >national treasury, absconding with the so called "surplus" and thus putting >Social Security at risk and making any prescription-drug program for >Seniors >impossible, increasing unemployment in the US over 5% and even panicked >his >corporate masters on Wall St by causing the market to plummet and their >profit margins shrink! > With the criminal seizure of the national elections in what amounted >to >a right wing coup, in effect, hurling the social organization of the US >back >into the 19th century (Pre Emancipation Proclamation, pre-13, 14, 15th >amendment. (See "Bushwacked: A Counterfeit President for a Fake Democracy", >Amiri Baraka) plus the "legalizing" of the confederate flag to declare to >the world the victory of the confederate traitor states over the US >GOVERNMENT, Bush, like Andrew Johnson, who became president, after these >same forces murdered Lincoln, eliminated the entire fabric of laws and >statutes that came out of the civil war. Johnson's impeachment failed >because of the intervention of the newly emerging US Imperialism. > REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRACY MUST BEGIN TO MOBILIZE AND ORGANIZE THE >DEMOCRATIC US MASSES TO BUILD A "LEFT BLOC" TO IMPEACH BUSH, AIMING THE >MAIN >BLOW AT THE FAR RIGHT, WHILE EXPOSING THE FAKE "LEFT" PETTY BOURGEOIS >LIBERALS. AND SO QUICKEN THE DESTRUCTION OF US IMPERIALISM IN THE 21st >CENTURY. > FAILURE TO RID THE NATION OF THIS COUNTERFEIT PRESIDENT AND HIS >ILLEGAL, WHITE SUPREMACIST, CORPORATE PROSTITUTE IMPERIALIST RULING JUNTA, >CAN ONLY LEAD THE US TOWARD ECONOMIC COLLAPSE, "LITTLE WARS" ACROSS THE >GLOBE, AND IN ALL PROBABILITY A CIVILIZATION HALTING GLOBAL CONFLICT. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
inside job
by cliff smith
boxcutters & knives?
(in 'die hard 2', they were jacked by remote, from the ground...)
total(!) failure of security on
4 flights at 3 airports on 2 airlines?
100% hi-jacking success? (zero since '91)
"transponders"?
4 stolen planes in sky,
(at once!) &
no report till impact?
didnt fbi just set up hq in nwk?
didnt fbi just oust its nj chief?
wasn't he black?
didnt nj state police just put fed in charge? (1st non-trooper)
whitman works for who?
bush was where? (aaliyah crashed where?)
greenspan was where?
schundler (9 wks till election, down 20) in israel??
nyc democratic primary?
how many votes gore got?
bush/powell no-show at world racism forum?
who killed president kennedy?
senator kennedy?
didnt pentagon papers?
wasnt watergate?
wasnt bush2 daddy cia boss?
lemme find out...
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To all- I'm thinking about the post that I just sent out to Tom D. on the NJFO egroup in reaction to questions that he raised. It reflected the anger and intense emotion that I'm feeling now, as I'm sure you all understand. But I won't sleep well tonight if I think that we managed to stir up another endless tit-for-tat egroup exchange over this. What has happened in the past few days is too deep, too incomprehensible, too tragic to engage in knee-jerk reponses. I learned from Tom himself a long time ago that anger is a necessary emotion--and positive when it's focused productively--because it allows us not to be consumed by the sort of hopeless despair and depression that this madness can bring. It's been tough going here at NJSOA- every one of my professors, it seems, & many students, have lost friends & colleagues & former students. Some have lost their offices and even buildings that they helped construct. Hundreds of us watched the tragedy unfold from the architecture building which prides itself on a magnificant view of the NYC skyline. I came to architecture school here to learn how to rebuild cities imploded by imperialism's domestic contradictions, and I've spent almost every bit of my energy and imagination toward this goal for the past 5 semesters. Now I will always associate this place with images of a city being destroyed, and the knowledge of thousands of lives being lost. Every consious person must by now realize that things will never be the same. A kinetic shift is taking place in the way that this nation relates to the rest of the world. And what is coming next terrifies me. So let us take the time to sort this out, to process the loss, to feel the anger. But let us search most of all for ways to come together, not to be devisive, to support each other's efforts when they are directed at ending the madness that is imperialism, and as always remain open to constructive criticism and struggle. Marx predicted 150 years ago "Socialism or Barbarism." I for one believe it more now than ever. Unity & Struggle, Matthew Smith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on all peoples to forward this message far and wide. We also ask that people take a little time out of their day to participate in this Fax/Lettering writing campaign. WE MUST DEMAND MUMIA'S FREEDOM!! ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 2121-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Stop the execution for a new, fair trial: Free Mumia Abu-Jamal! Free Leonard� Peltier! Free all political prisoners������������������������������������������ ���������� Please send letters and faxes!We need as big a push now as when Mumia was under death warrants. The federal judge has let us know that innocence will be no defense to him and that the state court is the only place to seek for a chance to put new evidence on record. He then gave examples of state laws, technicalities and time limits, through which they could deny him a new trial. The state court judge seems� interested in doing this. We have till September 21st before the briefs from both sides are in� to influence the judge's decision. There is also a call for as many people as possible in Philadelphia on the 15 for the biggest demonstrationever for Mumia.� So everyone please send your own letters, redistribute, this announcement, let others know any way you can, and get groups you are in to send letters and if at all possible send reps to Philadelphia. Any groups with a human rights interest should at least be concerned that unconstitutional, unjust laws� such as the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty law, and� Supreme� Court precedents,like the one that let a man proven innocent after conviction be executed, will be used against many more people much more easily if they can be used against the most famous and vocal target. MUMIA STANDS WITH US IN EVERY HUMAN RIGHTS AND SOCIAL JUSTICE STRUGGLE. LET'S STAND WITH HIM! � ------------------------------------------------ - FAX and PHONE Campaign - ASAP! - 9/8 Mobe Organizing Meeting! - 9/15 Philadelphia Emergency Action! - 9/15 San Francisco Chronicle Mass Picket/ Community Outreach Day! ------------------------------------------------ Greetings All Supporters of Justice and Freedom for Mumia Abu-Jamal! *URGENT: CALL, WRITE, and FAX Judge Dembe! Call and/or send a letter of protest to Judge Pamela Dembe to demand (diplomatically, yet firmly) she grant a hearing at which the confession of Arnold Beverly to the murder of Police Officer Daniel Faulkner be admitted into evidence. There is no statute of limitations on murder! The Honorable Pamela Pryor Dembe Pennsylvania Court of Common Pleas Criminal Justice Center, Suite 1415 1301 Filbert Street Philadelphia, PA� 19107 Phone: (215) 683-7148; fax: (215) 683-7150 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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Afghanistan vows revenge if U.S. strikes it; leader says bin Laden not to blame By AMIR SHAH The Associated Press 9/14/01 11:35 AM KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Afghanistan's ruling Taliban militia warned Friday of "revenge" if the United States attacks it for harboring Osama bin Laden, the main suspect in the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. "If a country or group violates our country, we will not forget our revenge," Taliban spokesman Abdul Hai Muttmain said from the militia's headquarters in Kandahar in southern Afghanistan. He did not give details. Speculation has been mounting that Washington may take military action against the Taliban as evidence grows that bin Laden, an exiled Saudi millionaire, was behind the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history. Bin Laden has been living in Afghanistan under the protection of the Taliban since 1996. The Taliban are refusing to produce bin Laden unless Washington provides convincing evidence of guilt. On Friday, the Taliban's reclusive leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, said U.S. investigators were trying to link bin Laden to this week's attacks "unjustifiably and without any reason." In a statement read aloud by the Afghan ambassador to Pakistan on Friday, Omar said the attacks themselves point to bin Laden's innocence "because Osama has no pilots" and because there is no pilot training in Afghanistan. U.S. officials have said the some of the hijackers were trained as pilots in the United States. Anyone singling out bin Laden is trying "to add to his (own) reputation," Omar said. Meanwhile, Pakistani military sources said Friday that Omar had been moved to a new hide-out in Afghanistan. Omar normally is believed to live in secret locations in Kandahar, where Pakistani sources said the militants have reinforced security. Pakistan, which has been Taliban's closest ally, is believed to have the best intelligence on Afghanistan and the militant militia. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf faces a tough decision. He can promise full cooperation with Washington in its hunt for the terrorists and risk the wrath of Muslim fundamentalists at home, or refuse to cooperate and infuriate Washington. The Taliban face a similar dilemma. If they hand over bin Laden, they risk angering thousands of foreign fighters who are indispensable in their war against a northern-based alliance. If they continue to harbor bin Laden, they risk a full-scale attack by the world's most powerful army. The United Nations and many international aid organizations have withdrawn their foreign workers from Afghanistan, fearing an attack. Foreigners have been ordered to leave and the Taliban have stopped issuing visas to foreigners. Amid the growing fears of a U.S. attack, war-weary Afghans resigned themselves Friday to the possibility of more bloodshed. Since the 1970s, the country has been wracked by successive disasters: a Soviet invasion, civil war, the rise of the radical Taliban, a devastating drought and famine. "We have suffered so much. Every night so many children go to bed hungry," said Zalmai, a teacher who like many Afghans uses only one name. "What do we have to live for? Let the rockets come and set this whole country on fire once and for all." Some Afghans expressed the kind of rage that may have led to the terror attacks in the first place. "Any enemy of the Muslims will be punished by God," said Imam Mohammed Muslim Haqqani during Friday prayers at a mosque in the Afghan capital of Kabul. "The United States and Israel are enemies of Islam." Such sentiments were also common in neighboring Pakistan, where Islamic fundamentalists enjoy widespread popularity. "Allah intensified the fire and destruction of those planes," said prayer leader Maulana Abdul Aziz at a mosque in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad, explaining why two hijacked planes were able to turn New York's World Trade Center into rubble Tuesday. In the Pakistani city of Peshawar on Friday, several hundred people emerged from a mosque shouting "jehad!" or holy war, and shouted pro-Afghanistan slogans. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Very interesting and thought-provoking piece, please read. Asela This is a Press Release/Statement from the Black Radical Congress >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >Black Radical Congress (BRC) > >For Immediate Release > >September 13, 2001 > >Contact: >Art McGee <artmcgee@...> >Bill Fletcher, Jr. <bfletcher4@...> > >Terror Attacks of September 11, 2001 > >During this extremely sad and traumatic time, we extend our >sincere and heartfelt condolences to the families and loved >ones of all those who lost their life on September 11th. We >also wish for the speedy and full recovery of those who were >injured, and we hope and pray that in the aftermath of the >attacks, rescue crews can find as many people still alive >as possible. > >The Black Radical Congress (BRC) strongly condemns the >horrific terror attacks which occurred on September 11th, >2001. The brazen murder of countless thousands of civilians >cannot be supported or condoned. > >It is without question that US imperialism has brought >genocidal levels of death and destruction to people around >the world. Whether one looks at the situation in Iraq with >the continual blockade and air bombardments, the situation >in Palestine where the US continues to give virtually >uncritical support to the Israelis in their national >oppression of the Palestinians, the economic blockade >against Cuba which aims to undermine its economy and >weaken its population, or any number of other places, >one clearly sees the callousness and evil intent with >which US imperialism treats the lives and property of >others, especially non-white peoples around the globe. > >Yet, even with a firm understanding of the causes of the >desperation, fury, and hatred of US imperialism, turning to >terrorism to fight global oppression and exploitation is not >an acceptable strategy. A clear and unambiguous distinction >must be made between radical/revolutionary political action >on the one hand, and terrorism on the other, regardless of >whether the causes that *appeared* to inspire the terrorist >action(s) are just. Open and unmitigated attacks on civilian >targets do not advance radical/revolutionary causes and must >be repudiated. Rather, such attacks inevitably antagonize the >populace, weaken any existing popular support, and help >legitimize heightened levels of repression by the imperialist >state against *all* progressive/radical/revolutionary political >activity, including increased restrictions on the civil rights >of the people. > >We already hear, in the voices of those in power, calls for >war and vengeance. War and vengeance without a precise target, >but striking out blindly, is nothing more than self-serving >jingoism. Given the track record of the US, this could >include indiscriminate bombings or missile attacks, such as >the attack against the Sudanese pharmaceutical laboratory >two years ago, which was later found *not* to have been >connected with any sort of terrorist activity. > >The dangers presented by the September 11th terrorist acts >do not restrict themselves to the external threat. We hear >on television and radio calls for changing the laws and >regulations in order to make it easier to conduct >surveillance and to carry-out covert operations against >potential opponents of the US. Rather than accomplishing >anything in terms of reducing the threat of terrorism, such >steps will eliminate basic civil liberties and strengthen >the existing tendency toward a racist and classist police >state. The police are already out of control and on the >rampage in communities across the country. We cannot afford >to further unleash their undemocratic and frequently >murderous behavior in the name of national security. > >We should add here that the terrorist attacks have also >brought potential damage to the growing anti-capitalist >globalization movement. The ruling class has been making >noise for months about the demonstrations that accompany >the gatherings of capitalist globalizers. They have inferred >that these demonstrations will get increasingly out of control. >There is no question that the events of September 11th will >be used as a pretext to both discourage activity, as well as >to clamp down on any and all popular outrage with neo-liberal >globalization. > >It is also critical in moments such as these that we >as human beings fight and resist popular impulses toward >scape-goating and racism. From almost the moment of the >first attack on the World Trade Center, there has been an >assumption floated within the media that Arabs or Muslim >fundamentalists were behind the attacks. The reaction to >the attacks is reminiscent of what we witnessed immediately >after the Oklahoma City bombings. There was a widespread >assumption that Arabs or Muslims were behind the attack on >the Federal Office building. Few establishment observers >expected, or led any of the public to expect, that the >terrorist could be -- and was -- a homegrown, white >American right-winger. > >Therefore, it is important to reserve judgment until a more >thorough investigation is conducted. This is particularly >important given the anti-Palestinian/anti-Arab/anti-Muslim >bias of the media. The automatic assumption of the US media >is that Palestinians specifically, and Arabs generally, are >animals, or at best, fanatics with no concern for human >life. The just and righteous Palestinian cause is rarely >given credible time, and when offered, generally dismissed >by allegedly objective (but really pro-Israeli) commentators. >Therefore, in the current situation of horror following these >criminal acts, we must actively oppose any and all witch- >hunting and stereotyping which is bound to emerge. > >Yet another danger we currently face will be xenophobia >and, general anti-immigrant sentiment. This will almost >inevitably be directed at immigrants of color and >particularly those who "look" like they might be of Middle >Eastern (North African) origin. The attacks on immigrants >and the condemnation of entire communities must be stopped >before they escalate out of control. We already see some of >this happening with numerous reports of anonymous death >threats sent to Arab and Muslim institutions, as well as >the spray painting of racist slogans and direct, personal >threats and attacks on individuals who are assumed to be >from the Middle East (North Africa). We call on all >clear-thinking people to be especially vigilant at this >time in making sure that in the aftermath of this tragedy, >another tragedy born of pain, anger, and hatred does not >occur. True anti-racism may require us to put ourselves >at risk physically in order to defend Arabs and Muslims >from unwarranted attacks. > >Lastly, Black America must not condone or be indifferent >to the horrendous loss of human life resulting from this >tragedy, nor can we allow these horrific acts to be used >as an excuse to further repress Arab-Americans, Muslims, or >those perceived to be opponents of capitalist globalization. >As a people that has survived over 400 years of genocidal >oppression on these shores, we are all too familiar with the >human suffering caused by both terrorism and racial hatred. >From the amputations, beatings, and rapes of Chattel Slavery, >to the New York City Draft Riots of 1863, to the post- >Reconstruction terrorism of the Klu Klux Klan, to the >Tulsa Race Riots of 1921, to the government sponsored >Counter-Intelligence Program (COINTELPRO) of the 1960s, >to the contemporary state-sanctioned police murder and >brutality we are fighting today, we as Black people have >lots of experience with the horrors of terrorism in the >US, as it has too frequently been directed against us. That >is why we must show our full and unqualified support and >compassion for all those suffering as a result of this >horrible tragedy, most of whom have come to experience >terrorism for the first time, as we continue our 400+ >year struggle to rid ourselves of this evil, both >domestically and around the world. > > >-30- > >NOTE: When responding or sending us feedback about >this statement, please indicate whether we have your >permission to share your comments publicly, as part >of a broader discussion and debate. Thank you. > >Black Radical Congress >National Office >Columbia University Station >P.O. Box 250791 >New York, NY 10025-1509 >Phone: (212) 969-0348 >Email: blackradicalcongress@... >Web: http://www.blackradicalcongress.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
REVOLUTIONARIES OPPOSE TERRORISM!
AND THE FAR RIGHT BUSHWACKER POLICIES WHICH HAVE BROUGHT US TO THE BRINK OF
WORLD WAR & ECONOMIC DISASTER!
by Amiri Baraka, Unity & Struggle Edit Board
Random acts of Terror merely drive the people into the arms of the
Bourgeoisie which can now play �Patriotic Leader� Terrorism strengthens
Imperialism, and divides the people and alienates them from revolution,
because they have become disoriented by the terror. Terrorism immobilizes
the mobilizing and organizing of the people through a campaign of
Revolutionary Democracy to transform the society. First because they have
become fearful and confused and importantly because now the Bourgeoisie
will divert the masses from their anger at their domestic exploitation and
oppression and even use the more repressive statutes of Martial Law to ban
the expressions of civil disobedience under the conditions of �peaceful�
bourgeois democracy!
But as tragic and mindless as these attacks on US citizens might
seem, they are exactly paralleled by the mindless state terror visited upon
the world by Bush 2 led Imperialist violence, national oppression and
global exploitation.
It is US Imperialism and specifically the Lawless,
proto-fascist, insatiable greediness and dishonesty of Bush 2 and the
sector of imperialism which he represents, �the most imperialist,
jingoistic, � most war loving sector. The sector that will bring war to the
world and fascism to its own people!
The Terrorist Assault on The US is made possible by US
Imperialist foreign policy, particularly the conditions created by the
far-right Bushwacker regime. Bush very entrance into power is the product of
lawlessness and anarchy. An exact parallel to what has been tragically
visited upon the U.S.
WHO ARE THE TERRORISTS AND WHAT WILL THE FAR RIGHT BUSHWACKER LED
IMPERIALIST DO?
We begin with a quote from Lenin:
�The Economists and Terrorists bow to different poses of spontaneity.
The Economists bow to the spontaneity of �the labor movement pure and
simple� while the terrorist bow to the spontaneity of the passionate
indignation of intellectuals who lack the ability or opportunity to connect
the revolutionary struggle and the working class movement into an integral
whole. �.who have lost their belief, or who have never believed that this is
possible, to find some outlet for their indignation and revolutionary energy
other than terror"� (Lenin "What Is To Be Done, �D. What There Is In Common
Between Economism and Terrorism�, Col. Works, , Vol. 5, p 417)
WHO IS OSAMA BIN LADEN?
Ironically and disgustingly enough the best sources of information on Osama
bin Laden (whose name is being used like Benzedrine �ups� to drive the
understandable anger and fear of the US people into a frenzy that will serve
Imperialism and the Bush2 Oily Rightist WORLD OIL CONTROL �Jones�
(Addiction) IS BUSH AND THE CIA.
In the name �Winning the first War of the 21�st Century Against Terrorism�
Bush will now missile-blitz, bomb, and even OCCUPY vast sections of the Arab
world and northern Africa (i.e., the �Middle East�) and try to turn the
entire part of the world back into a straight out plantation. In keeping
with the other cultural tradition Bush carries, as shown in the outright
Klan like disenfranchisement of Black voters, and right wing theft of the US
presidency..
WHAT WILL THE COUNTERFEIT PRESIDENT OF A FAKE DEMOCRACY DO NOW?
Now they will declare WAR on Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, (Bush
has already been waging war on the Palestinians , having somehow sprung the
Israeli war criminal Ariel Sharon (indicted by the Israelis themselves for
committing a massacre in Lebanon in )
Remember Sharon walked �uninnocently� into the Temple Mount which is a heart
of Israeli �Palestinian �Religious� ( actually political) contention . His
presence initiated a �Riot�! Which then re-exploded the Intifada of
Palestinian resistance to Israeli imperialist annexation and national
oppression.
How did all this manage to happen at the same time. Plus, remember, this
happened just after, mysteriously a US vessel was sabotaged, by a row boat
just off Yemen��� So the stage was set, for Sharon�s continuos incursions
into Palestinian territory, as the spearhead for continued territorial
expansion by the Israeli Settlers Movement.
THE STRATEGIC GOAL OF OIL ADDICTED BUSH LED US IMPERIALISM IS TO DESTROY,
� PACIFY�, CONQUER, EVEN OCCUPY, THE ENTIRE �MIDDLE EAST�. WHEN BUSH SAYS
�END STATES� THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE TERROR ATTACKS, HE MEANS �A-RABS�
ALL, AND IN KEEPING WITH THE CONFEDERATE COUNTERREVOLUTION THAT BROUGHT HIM
TO POWER, HE MEANS TO TURN THE �ARAB WORLD� INTO An OIL PRODUCING
PLANTATION.
ONCE MORE! WHO IS OSAMA BIN LADEN AND HOW CAN ONE MAN BE POWERFUL ENOUGH TO
KILL THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS?
Osama bin Laden is a Saudi millionaire, who inherited a 30,000,000 fortune
from his father�s construction business. He is the Jerry Falwell of Islam.
(See Falwell�s latest comments that the �ACLU and other sectarian influence
should be blamed for the terrorist attack�! )The sick irony of the
situation is that he is a CIA �BLOWBACK� that is someone who was once
employed by the agency, but then turns against them.
Bin Laden is a fanatical Anti-Communist, which is why the CIA ( which, sick
irony of sicker ironies was then being run by Bush 2�s Old Man!) drafted
him to fight against the Russians when the invaded Afghanistan. (So now the
US is take over this old imperialist annexation project, just as they took
over the old French colonial occupation of Viet Nam. THE SAME KIND OF WAR
AS THE US GOT HOOKED INTO IN VIET NAM IS WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN!
The Bushwackers would have us believe that One Man (who is all Arabs) could
bring the US to its knees. That�s the same rhetoric the bourgeoisie run
about Hitler. That it was one crazy individual who pitched the world into
fascism and an international anti fascist war? They leave out of course, the
forces that backed Hitler who are , in fact, still in Germany functioning,
e.g., the Krupps, &c
But as for the Terrorist Assault, the identity of Osama bin Laden, Why would
the people who introduced the US to the real world of imperialist terror?
Who trained the Saudi pilots? Who gave the Afghani�s missiles? Who allowed
bin Laden to make millions with his businesses as payback for services
rendered? The factory in Sudan, Clinton attack destroyed, (the bombing of
Afghanistan), when he was trying to draw attention from his antics in the
Oral office, was bin Laden�s! Why did it need to be destroyed then?
THE FACT IS THAT BIN LADEN IS THE PRODUCT OF A RECENT �TRINITY OF
IMPERIALISM� BUSH (the father), BUSH (the son), and THE CIA
(the unholy spooks).
THE CONTRADICTION BETWEEN A �SINGLE SUPER-POWER� & THE REST OF THE WORLD
IMPERIALIST MOB!
Usually, the US intelligence network is complemented by the massive
intelligence network of the English, Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, and
their informants everywhere) but with Bush�s recent display of AMERICA
FIRST, AMERICA ONLY dangerously anachronistic and isolationist attitude
towards US imperialists associates in Europe particularly, dismissing their
advice, patronizing their requests, haughtily proclaiming the isolated
invincibility of the US, much like any �welching�: thief who doesn�t want
to share his �take� (THE PRESIDENCY OF THE US) with his confederates, one
gets the feeling that perhaps the lack of information from the NATO sources
is also a cold lesson being taught at the expense of thousands of dead
Americans. (Especially since people have already been arrested in Hamburg,
Germany!)
BUSH ATTEMPT TO �END STATES� (THE NAZI ANNEXATION AND OCCUPATION) AND TURN
THE MIDDLE EAST INTO AN AMERICAN OIL PLANTATION WILL BECOME A WORLD
CONFLAGRATION.
If the unholy trinity�s PLANTATION STRATEGY become so frenzied and
concomitantly power and greed driven that Bush orders the bombing not only
of Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iraq, Libya, (the continued devastation by Sharon
-led Israel of the Palestinians) but also SYRIA and IRAN and even so
dangerously ill as to include the A-bomb holding Pakistani�s
BUSH�S PREDICTED �UPTURN� OF THE US ECONOMY IS BASED ON INSTALLING A �WAR
ECONOMY� IN THE U.S., OCCUPATION OF THE OIL PRODUCING NATIONS, PLUS, AT SOME
POINT, THE IMPOSITION OF MARTIAL LAW WHICH CONSTITUTIONALLY STRIPS AMERICAN
CITIZENS OF CIVIL RIGHTS!
UNITY AND STRUGGLES REPEATED CALLS FOR REVOLUTIONARIES TO UNITE, (in a
Revolutionary Democratic United Front with Workers of All Nationalities ,
Farmers, Oppressed Nationalities and Democratic Petty Bourgeoisie and where
possible, temporally, National Bourgeoisie) AND HELP FORM A LEFT-BLOC OF
POLITICAL STRUGGLE AGAINST US IMPERIALISM FOR PEOPLES DEMOCRACY IN THE
US and against Imperialism world wide cannot continue to fall on deaf ears.
A MOVEMENT TO IMPEACH BUSH IS A MOVEMENT OF MASS EDUCATION, MOBILIZATION AND
RESISTANCE. The backwardness of the petty bourgeois fake �left� must now be
obvious to all but the completely uninformed or those so designated who
continue to be in a poisonous state of denial. IT WAS THIS SEPARATION OF
LIBERALISM FROM DEMOCRACY THAT HELPED THE BUSH RIGHT WIN COUP WHICH SEIZED
POWER, AND NOW HAS BROUGHT US TO THE BRINK OF WORLD WAR AND ECONOMIC
DISASTER.
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----Original Message Follows---- From: dlj@... Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [njfo] Palestinian Video (PASS THIS ON NOW!!!!) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:37:02 -0000 The media has been propping up a video that is supposed to depict Palestinians dancing in the streets after the bombings on Tuesday. Matt Drudge, Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern, Sean Hannity, Curtis Sliwa and other right wing propagandists have been using this on their respective websites and radio shows using this to "rally the troops," so to speak. They have even said that Yassar Arafat has tried to keep this video from coming out. It is now believed that this video is a hoax. If anyone has any doubts consider this. The video was ciruclating about an hour and a half after the bombing, as evidenced by Matt Drudge declaring on his website that Palestinians were dancing in the streets I personally saw the video about two hours after the bombing. In it there were kids dancing in the streets. The video was shot in the daytime. The West Bank is approx. 10 ahead of us. If this was indeed shot at the time of the bombing the scenes should have been IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT! There are reports that this video was actually from 1993. If this is true, the credibility of those promoting this video needs to be seriously questioned, and their ability to do this has to be diminished significantly. People need to know this. Let the propagandists explain themselves. Daryle Lamont Jenkins One People's Project To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Trial to begin in Cincinnati police
shooting that prompted riots
By JOHN NOLAN
The Associated Press
9/15/01 3:08 PM
CINCINNATI (AP) -- The trial of a white police officer
whose shooting of an
unarmed black man set off three nights of rioting in
April is again focusing
the city's attention on often-strained community-police
relations.
Officer Stephen Roach, 27, was indicted in May on
misdemeanor charges
of negligent homicide and obstruction of official
business in the shooting
death of Timothy Thomas, 19.
His trial is scheduled to begin Monday.
Thomas' death touched off the city's worst racial
violence since the Rev.
Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination in 1968, and
prompted a citywide
dusk-to-dawn curfew to restore order. Dozens of people
were injured and
more than 800 were arrested.
Violence surged in the months after the riots as police
held back for fear
of being accused of racism, the police union says.
The shooting led the mayor to request a federal
investigation of the city's
police department, which is still under way.
Roach told his union that he thought Thomas was
reaching for a gun.
Police said Thomas was wanted on traffic violations and
charges of
fleeing police.
Roach agreed to have the trial heard without a jury.
Municipal Court
Judge Ralph E. Winkler is expected to hear testimony
through Friday,
then may take the case under review and issue his
verdict later.
Roach has pleaded innocent. If convicted of both
charges, he would face
no more than nine months in jail and could be placed on
probation.
Thomas was the 15th black male to die at the hands of
the police since
1995. Police union officials have noted that 10 of
those men fired or
pointed guns at police officers, and two drove at or
dragged officers from
cars.
Two other Cincinnati officers await trial in October on
charges resulting
from the death of another black man, Roger Owensby Jr.,
who died in
November when police took him into custody. The county
coroner
concluded that Owensby died of suffocation.
Investigators said the death
could have been caused by a choke hold or when officers
fell on top of
him on the pavement.
Black leaders insist that police, who also face a
lawsuit accusing the
department of harassing black residents, must work
harder to improve
relations.
The Rev. Damon Lynch III, a black clergyman who has
been critical of the
police, said activists still want to see if justice
will be done when officers
are accused of wrongdoing. That could be called into
question if Roach
and the other officers are acquitted, he said.
"The officers could walk," Lynch said. "Is Cincinnati
ready for that?"
Hamilton County Prosecutor Michael Allen, whose office
obtained
convictions of more than 100 adults and juveniles on
charges from the
April riots, said police will be alert for community
tensions when the Roach
trial verdict is issued.
"You would hope citizens will let the system work and
let justice be done,"
Allen said. "If some in the community choose to use
this as an excuse to
violate the law, they will do it at their own peril."
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or
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----Original Message Follows---- From: "jamal al-din talib" <j_a_m_a_l@...> To: vivaohio@..., pankay@..., nicci@..., margritty@... Subject: this is a good one. Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:59:20 +0000 you're gonna love this one. >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:03:47 -0400 >Media Watch Of The 'Dead Pilot' Who 'Crashed Into The World Trade Center' Posted: 26 Jamad-u-Thani 1422, 14 September 2001 CNN Issues a Correction. Here is a correction issued by CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/america.attack/) "We would like to correct a report that appeared on CNN. Based on information from multiple law enforcement sources, CNN reported that Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari [-!!-] of Vero Beach Florida, were suspected to be two of the pilots who crashed planes into the World Trade Center. CNN later learned that Adnan Bukhari is still in Florida, where he was questioned by the FBI. We are sorry for the misinformation. A federal law enforcement source now tells CNN that Bukhari passed an FBI polygraph and is not considered a suspect. Through his attorney, Bukhari says that he is helping authorities. Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash last year." Commentary: Of Big Stories and Minor Problems. By: drive_the_zionazis_into_the_sea@... Notice that CNN reported the matter correctly; it was "information from multiple law enforcement sources" that led them to post the false information that Adnan Bukhari was one of the hijacking pilots. And that he was dead after blowing up the World Trade Center. And that his brother Ameer was another hijacking pilot. And that he was dead after blowing up the World Trade Center, too. A few minor problems: Adnan Bukhari is alive and well and lives in Florida. And Adnan Bukhari wasn't on any hijacked plane. And his brother Ameer already died in an unrelated small plane crash last year, making it rather difficult for him to be piloting a hijacked aircraft into the World Trade Center on September 11th of this year. Not that consideration for things like "facts" have ever deterred American "multiple law enforcement sources" from falsely accusing others - like Usama bin Laden, America's answer to George Orwell's "Emmanuel Goldstein", the subject of the daily "two-minutes hate" in the first chapter of Orwell's "1984." These "multiple law enforcement sources" who publicly proclaimed the guilt - and deaths - of two people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the World Trade Center bombing and who were nowhere near the scene are the same geniuses who expect us all to believe them when they claim that Usama bin Laden had something to do with it, too. Last year, the US Justice Department claimed that Usama bin Laden was involved with the guy who sneaked into Seattle from Canada to blow up the silly "millenium." Their "proof"? Well, you see, this guy who crossed into Seattle lived somewhere in Afghanistan in the 1970s. And so did Usama bin Laden. That was the sum total of the "evidence"! This is what is peddled as "ties" to Usama bin Laden. Quotable Quote: "The purpose of the "For the Record", column is not to correct errors. It is to assure you that everything else published by the paper was correct." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
----Original Message Follows---- From: "jamal al-din talib" <j_a_m_a_l@...> To: vivaohio@... Subject: Fwd: False images from Mid-East :) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:11:37 +0000 > > > >CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you > >(english) by Marcio 10:32pm Wed Sep 12 '01 > > > > > >. I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south. There's an > >important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. > > > > > >All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news > >distributors, and one of them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, > >I guess all of you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from > >this company. In particular, one set of images called my attencion: > >the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out on the streets, eating > >some cake and making funny faces for the camera. > > > > > >Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN 1991!!! Those are images of > >Palestinians celebrating the invasion of Kuwait! It's simply > >unacceptable that a super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images > >which do not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an > >issue. > > > > > >A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has videotapes recorded in 1991, > >with the very same images; he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo > >(the major TV network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I > >myself classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone of > >you has access to this kind of files, serch for it. In the meanwhile, > >I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of this tape. > > > > > >But now, think for a moment about the impact of such images. Your > >people is hurt, emotionally fragile, and this kind broadcast have > >very high possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against > >Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images such as those. > >Best regards, and the hope that everything is resolved for the best > >of all of us. > >PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY .. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Reichstag Fire
They who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
January 30, 1933
Weimar Republic President Paul von Hindenburg appoints Adolph Hitler
Chancellor.
February 27, 1933
The German Parliament (Reichstag) burns down. A dazed Dutch Communist named
Marinus van der Lubbe is found at the scene and charged
with arson. [He is later found guilty and executed].
February 28, 1933
President Hindenburg and Chancellor Hitler invoke Article 48 of the Weimar
Constitution, which permits the suspension of civil liberties in time of
national emergency. This Decree of the Reich President for the Protection of
the People and State abrogates the following constitutional protections:
Free expression of opinion
Freedom of the press
Right of assembly and association
Right to privacy of postal and electronic communications
Protection against unlawful searches and seizures
Individual property rights
A supplemental decree creates the SA (Storm Troops) and SS (Special
Security) Federal police agencies.
Who Did It?
Historians do not agree on who is actually responsible for the Reichstag
Fire: van der Lubbe acting alone -- a Communist plot -- or the Nazis
themselves in order to create an incident. Writers such as Klaus P. Fischer
feel that most likely the Nazis were involved.
But regardless of who actually planned and executed the fire, it is clear
that the Nazis immediately took advantage of the situation in order to
advance their cause at the expense of civil rights. The Decree enabled the
Nazis to ruthlessly suppress opposition in the upcoming election.
March 5, 1933
National elections give Nazis 44% plurality in the Reichstag. Herman G�ring
[who later played a central role in the Nazi government and war
effort] declares that there is no further need for State governments.
Over the next few weeks, each of the lawful Weimar State governments falls
to the same ruse:
Local Nazi organizations instigate disorder;
The disorder is quelled by replacing the elected state government by
appointed Nazi Reich Commissioners.
March 24, 1933
The Reichstag passes the Law for Terminating the Suffering of People and
Nation , also known as the Enabling Law , essentially granting
Adolph Hitler dictatorial power.
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Defeat Terrorism & Imperialism with More Revolutionary Democracy! Prime Suspect: Bush/CIA &co! We first stand with all victims of the recent terror attacks & insist capture of perpetrators. Service workers, clerks, secretaries, food workers, custodians, maintenance, visitors, firemen, cops-these are many of the dead & wounded. Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, democratic revolutionary struggle & unity. Impeach Bush Now! & Defeat All Republicans (Schundler)! The illegitimate Bush regime & allied international corporate imperialist web (WTO, IMF, World Bank�) were tremendously isolated following the stolen election, the US/Israeli dis of World Racism Forum in So.Africa & mass protests of WTO in Genoa, Italy, &c. Bush now is given carte blanche $billions to shoot em up, while New Brunswick pre-schoolers are turned away for "lack of facilities" & await "trailer classrooms". The attacks on US citizens soup Bush aggression & promise fascist martial law powers: the absolute elimination of Democratic Freedoms here and Blitzkreig War abroad--Terrorism serves Imperialism. Before Hitler cd jump, 1st he burned the Reichstag (1933), blamed the Reds, outlawed opposition, &declared himself Supreme Leader (to 'protect the people'). Remember: Bush1 was head of the CIA, best equipped to carry out this synchronized slaughter, unless you think Oswald did the job alone� Bush/Cheney/CIA hoods demand 'evil Arabs did it! w/ box cutters(!) &red bandannas...' (But have charged nobody, with all their 'evidence'!) Like NB Pimps Marshall &Chinchilla sd '98 'We was shot by one of them Remsen Ave. Boys' & dropped $10G bounty on heads of NB Black Youth. As diversion from their own crimes--convicted, sentenced & still on the street! Fight, Don't Hide! Intensify Democratic Struggle! Smash Schundler, Vote McGreasy, Nov. election! Put RasBaraka in Newark City Council, May '02! Seize New Brunswick, Nov. '02-mayor, 2 council seats, elected board of education! Join the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign: meet NB library12:00 1st Sat in October. Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy contact Cliff Smith 732.214.8828 can_bush@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
BBC Chief Sorry Over Anti-US TV Audience Updated: Sun, Sep 16 7:46 AM EDT LONDON (Reuters) - The head of the British Broadcasting Corporation, Greg Dyke, apologized Saturday for broadcasting a live discussion program in which audience members blamed U.S. foreign policy for Tuesday's terror attacks. More than 2,000 viewers complained after seeing the former U.S. Ambassador to Britain, Philip Lader, brought close to tears after attempts to express his sadness over the attacks were shouted down by people expressing anti-American views. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
keith joseph says anarchists are leading the struggle against the world bank& imf. and that is why SWORD's criticism (specifically 3rd paragraph) is wrong - though he had none to offer, odd from a communist? it is an outright lie that the anarchists are leading the struggle against imperialism! The majority of protestors at these conferences are not even anarchists - let alone those that understand to organize their international revolutionary line locally throughout the community, such as the elected school board campaign and ras baraka for newark council. the peoples local and community organization against imperialism is 1000X more productive than a one day or weak protest. the ruling class has already won the street war - didn't marx say that over 100 years ago? that we should organize locally to seize political office, isn't that what Unity & Struggle has authored? everywhere keith goes he joins the strongest tide within "the movement" against the now members of SWORD in a united front the people & organizations come together but our tendencies do not cease. that is why we must embrace debates and criticisms - we are willing to prove our case. to agree and state that i cannot criticize a member of the anti-war movement, which is what those that initially disagreed with paragraph 3 stated, is wrong and hazardous to Unity & Struggle - the practice - other than this development all engagements during tonight's speak out wear visibly productive. and we continue with - speak out monday september 17 8:00pm brower commons strategy meeting tuesday september 18 6:00pm NB library guest house Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy Defeat Terrorism & Imperialism with More Revolutionary Democracy! Prime Suspect: Bush/CIA &co! We first stand with all victims of the recent terror attacks & insist capture of perpetrators. Service workers, clerks, secretaries, food workers, custodians, maintenance, visitors, firemen, cops-these are many of the dead & wounded. Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, democratic revolutionary struggle & unity. Impeach Bush Now! & Defeat All Republicans (Schundler)! The illegitimate Bush regime & allied international corporate imperialist web (WTO, IMF, World Bank�) were tremendously isolated following the stolen election, the US/Israeli dis of World Racism Forum in So.Africa & mass protests of WTO in Genoa, Italy, &c. Bush now is given carte blanche $billions to shoot em up, while New Brunswick pre-schoolers are turned away for "lack of facilities" & await "trailer classrooms". The attacks on US citizens soup Bush aggression & promise fascist martial law powers: the absolute elimination of Democratic Freedoms here and Blitzkreig War abroad--Terrorism serves Imperialism. Before Hitler cd jump, 1st he burned the Reichstag (1933), blamed the Reds, outlawed opposition, &declared himself Supreme Leader (to 'protect the people'). Remember: Bush1 was head of the CIA, best equipped to carry out this synchronized slaughter, unless you think Oswald did the job alone� Bush/Cheney/CIA hoods demand 'evil Arabs did it! w/ box cutters(!) &red bandannas...' (But have charged nobody, with all their 'evidence'!) Like NB Pimps Marshall &Chinchilla sd '98 'We was shot by one of them Remsen Ave. Boys' & dropped $10G bounty on heads of NB Black Youth. As diversion from their own crimes--convicted, sentenced & still on the street! Fight, Don't Hide! Intensify Democratic Struggle! Smash Schundler, Vote McGreasy, Nov. election! Put RasBaraka in Newark City Council, May '02! Seize New Brunswick, Nov. '02-mayor, 2 council seats, elected board of education! Join the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign: meet NB library12:00 1st Sat in October. Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy contact Cliff Smith 732.214.8828 can_bush@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Speak Out Against US Imperialist War Defend Rutgers Students, Staff, Administration Brower Commons 8:00pm Today-Monday @Rutgers College Ave. Strategy Meeting Against US Imperialist War New Brunswick Library 6:30pm Guest House Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy RU Students for Peace contact - can_bush@... rustudentsforpeace@... 732.586.5535 joesmith so far two people dead as a result of white supremacist aggression here in the united states. killed in isolated incidents these activities must be countered by any organization opposed to war. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Ex-Milltown Muslim shot to death in Texas
Published in the Home News Tribune 9/17/01
By SCOTT ALBRIGHT
STAFF WRITER
MILLTOWN: A former Milltown resident, who was born in
Pakistan, was shot to death in a grocery store in Dallas Saturday night in
what may have been a backlash incident related to Tuesday's terrorist
attacks on the United States.
The apparent murder of Pakistan-born Waquar Hasan in the
Dallas, Texas, grocery store he co-owned may have been perpetrated as
misplaced revenge for the recent attacks in New York and Washington, D.C., a
Dallas police investigator said yesterday.
Local authorities notified the FBI because of the
possibilitiy, and the federal agency has joined the investigation. police
said.
Hasan, co-owner of Mom's Grocery in Dallas' east side, was
found dead inside the store at 10:20 p.m. Saturday by a customer, Dallas
police said. Hasan, his wife and four daughters are Muslims born in Pakistan
who emigrated to the United States in 1990, family members said. Hasan's
wife and daughters still live in Milltown.
Sgt. Larry Lewis of the Dallas Police Department's Homicide
Unit said Hasan was found with a single bullet wound to his head. An initial
inventory of the grocery store and check-cashing business Hasan also
co-owned showed no merchandise or cash missing.
Lewis said Hasan's store is within a high crime area. But the
fact that nothing valuable appears to have been stolen has led
investigators to suspect Hasan may have been killed because of his Asian
heritage.
'We're not going to dismiss that possibility just right now,"
Lewis said. "We're searching for a motive on that. I will say in some
situations there will be a person who will enter an establishment to commit
a robbery and for whatever reason they'll shoot a person and flee without
taking anything.
"But yes, we're studying all possible angles on this."
While Lewis would not comment further on evidence related to
the case, Hasan's brother-in-law, Zahid Ghani, of North Brunswick,
said officers told him Hasan still had $300 in cash in his wallet after his
attacker fled.
Lewis said yesterday authorities have no suspects or
witnesses in the case. The case is being investigated jointly with the FBI,
he said.
Yesterday, more than 100 of Hasan's friends and family
members visited his one-story, gray and blue-shuttered home in
Milltown. A memorial service was scheduled for 1 p.m. today
at the Islamic Society of Central New Jersey in South Brunswick.
"I don't want to see this, what people are doing against
Muslims," said Hasan-family friend and Edison resident Shaheen Jilani,
42. "We are part of you. We are against terrorism. We are trying to
help people."
Friends and family members repeatedly described Hasan as
"loving," "caring," and "generous." Over recent years, Hasan's
daughters said their father has allowed his convertible Nissan 240 SX to be
used during North Brunswick's annual Columbus Day parade.
As part of her daily commute to Wall Street as a National
Bank of Pakistan employee, Jilani said she was on the first floor of one
of the World Trade Center's twin towers when the first
airliner crashed into the structure Tuesday. Jilani escaped the doomed
skyscaper.
While also a co-owner of the Exxon gas station on Livingston
Avenue and Hermann Road in North Brunswick, Hasan decided to
move and help open a grocery store and check-cashing business in Dallas this
spring, Ghani said. The family lived in North Brunswick for
several years before moving to Milltown, he said.
Hasan's wife and daughters, who range in age from 10 to 17
and attend local public schools, were expecting to join Hasan in
Dallas in December, Hasan's brother-in-law said. The Hasan
girls last saw their father about four months ago just before Hasan took off
for Dallas from Newark International Airport, he said.
"Why did he have to die? It's not like he told them to crash
the planes," cried Hasan's 16-year-old daughter Asna yesterday.
"This is our country too! Do we not live here?"
Hasan's brother said that yesterday, ironically, he and two
friends of Middle Eastern descent were pulled over by North
Brunswick and New Brunswick police as the three were driving on Livingston
Avenue.
Choudhry Hasan, 47, of North Brunswick, said he had met his
two friends briefly at the Burger King on Livingston Avenue
yesterday morning to disclose the news of his brother's death. After
dropping off one of the men's van at the local Exxon station owned by the
Hasan brothers, the three were on their way to discuss funeral arrangements
when at least six police cars pulled their vehicle over,
Choudhry Hasan said.
Choudhry Hasan, a U.S. citizen who said he's been in this
country 35 years, said officers explained to him police had received a call
from someone fearing the three men had left a suspicious package at the
fast-food restaurant.
Choudhry Hasan said police told him he "looked like a
terrorist" because he has a several-inch long beard and because he was
wearing a white gown-like shirt ending below his knees along with a
white knit cap.
Upon reviewing the three men's identification, police were
"very nice" and released them without charges, Choudhry Hasan said.
One of the officers recognized the local gas-stationowner, he
added.
North Brunswick Interim Police Director Michael Moriarty
confirmed that New Brunswick police pulled over Hasan's car after
receiving a call describing suspicions of an abandoned package and the
license plate on Hasan's car. The caller also noted that the van had been
parked by the gas station, Moriarty said.
The interim police director said New Brunswick had alerted
North Brunswick officers to the incident but Moriarty wasn't sure if North
Brunswick officers were involved in the traffic stop.
While saying yesterday's stop was "proper police action"
considering the caller's tip, Moriarty said he is also aware of the
temptation to profile people who appear to be of Middle Eastern
descent, given recent events.
"We have to be careful as law-enforcement officials that we
don't buy into overzealousness," Moriarty said. "We have to be
impartial and evaluate the situation as an honest broker to make sure
everyone's treated fairly."
Neither Waquar Hasan nor his wife or children are American
citizens, his brother-in-law said. Waquar Hasan had been living in the
United States on a visa and since that expired several years ago had been in
the process of receiving permanent-resident status, he said.
Waquar Hasan also owned a gas station in Middletown before
selling it more than a year ago, Ghani said.
The leadership of East Brunswick-based Pakistan Center USA
has been busy attending various local candlelight vigils to show
their support for victims of Tuesday's disasters and show their
opposition to terrorism, said the group's president, Khalid
Luqman.
The extremists responsible for the World Trade Center bombing
are not representative of the Muslim community as a whole,
Luqman stressed.
"As a community we are very much concerned," Luqman said. "We
understand the rage of the American nation again Muslims, but
I think we are getting the wrong people" in randomly attacking Muslim
civilians.
Since Tuesday's attacks, authorities across the country have
reported a number of attacks and threats against people of Middle
Eastern descent.
Among them: an Indian-immigrant gas-station owner shot to
death at a Mesa, Ariz. gas-station Saturday; an attack on a
Moroccan gas-station attendant in Palos Heights, Ill.; an attempt to run
over a Pakistani woman in a parking lot in Huntington, N.Y.;
and the arrest of an armed man who allegedly set fire to a Seattle mosque.
Luqman called on Americans not to misdirect their anger
toward people of Middle Eastern heritage who are here only to share in
the American way-of-life -- not to destroy it.
"We are a very peaceful people. We came here to work, to make
some money, to make a good living, and that's what we are
doing," Luqman said. "Ninety-nine-percent of the people are
innocent just like the people here."
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
Scott Albright: (732) 565-7255. E-mail albright@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: September 17, 2001
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cs
Fateful link with bin Laden
09/17/01
BY DAVID KINNEY
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Former FBI Special Agent John O'Neill spent the last
eight years of his life
chasing Osama bin Laden.
He and the agents he led dug for clues in New York and
Yemen, Kenya
and Tanzania, tracking the Saudi millionaire with
satellites and cell phone
taps. He searched for bin Laden's fingerprints on the
bombings of U.S.
embassies and the suicide attack on the USS Cole. And
he warned top
brass in Washington that terrorists could "attack us
here if they choose
to."
Barely two weeks after giving up his maddening chase,
the agent is
believed to have died in just such an attack -- one
investigators think was
masterminded by his longtime nemesis.
Odder still, O'Neill's apparent death came in the days
after he started his
new job: As director of security for the World Trade
Center.
"I don't know how you write John's story without having
bin Laden feel
good about himself," former agent Warren Flagg said
this week as he
drove into Manhattan. "My heart is crushed."
O'Neill left the FBI last month after a career that
began back in 1972
when he guided tours of the agency's headquarters in
Washington. He
rose to counterterrorism chief in New York, commanding
hundreds of
people in one of the largest FBI field offices
following the 1993 bombing
of the World Trade Center.
He ran the high-profile investigations into the October
suicide bombing of
the USS Cole, in which 17 sailors died when terrorists
detonated a skiff
full of explosives, and 1998's attacks on the U.S.
embassies in Africa,
which killed hundreds and injured thousands.
O'Neill's reputation spread worldwide. Scotland Yard
counterintelligence
chief Alan Frye once lauded the agent.
"I wouldn't want to be the terrorist he was hunting,"
Frye said. "I've seen
him move heaven and earth."
"John was the last of his breed," said Flagg, who first
met O'Neill as an
FBI clerk 30 years ago, went through training with him
in Quantico, Va.,
and worked with him on and off through the years. "He
was a
street-agent boss. He understood how to investigate a
case. He
understood how to put a case together from A to Z."
In New York in the 1990s, that meant building a case
against bin Laden.
Flagg said O'Neill was frustrated by a lack of
resources dedicated to the
battle, and competing strategies from the bureaucracies
of the FBI, the
CIA and the State Department.
O'Neill's style was aggressive: "In the back of his
mind, he was more of a
street cop," said Jack Townsend, an ex-deputy police
commissioner in
Chicago who worked closely with O'Neill in the late
1980s.
O'Neill clashed with the U.S. Ambassador to Yemen,
Barbara Bodine,
during the investigation into the USS Cole bombing in
October, and she
barred him from the country, fearing he and his agents
would threaten
U.S.-Yemeni relations. O'Neill had fought with Yemeni
officials over their
failure to cooperate with the investigation -- enough
to earn him and his
hard-charging associates the nickname, "Rambos."
When the United States pulled FBI agents out of Yemen
following threats
from bin Laden, Flagg said, O'Neill didn't want to go.
"He was the consummate general. If you're in harm's
way, I'll be there,
too," Flagg explained.
Colleagues called O'Neill one of the FBI's smartest
agents -- and one who
"would back you up," in Flagg's words.
"He was a guy who'd come to you and say, 'What do you
need?' He
wasn't sitting behind a desk saying, 'What have you got
for me?' It was,
'What can I do for you?'" Flagg said. "That's the way
I'll always remember
him."
But his career ended amid trouble: The Washington Post
reported that
O'Neill exited during an internal investigation into
allegations he left a
briefcase full of classified documents in a hotel room
in Tampa, Fla., last
year.
After Tuesday's attacks on the World Trade Center,
Flagg said witnesses
reported seeing O'Neill running back into the building
to rescue people
trapped inside.
"That would be a John O'Neill move," Townsend said,
"coming out, and
then going back in there to help someone."
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
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u&s accuses sword of promoting anarchy (new u&s), by way of deflecting our political criticisms of them. (for instance, apparently, that they actually will embrace, or at minimum, defend, anarchism, but make no such gesture to women, judging from their 'united front' graphic, cover-new u&s) u&s representative keith joseph- "It is best to criticize people's actions not(!) what they say. If the anarchists do something that I think is wrong I will criticize it." (but 'not what they say', i.e. the ideology of anarchism.) cs kj- "Anarchists are leading(!) the "anti-globilization movement", they are fighting a significant aspect of imperialism, to just dismiss that is arrogant and ignorant...It was a mistake to compare anarchists with terrorists. You have isolated yourself from the bulk of young organizers already." keith refers to this statement in our recent leaflet, full text below: "Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, democratic revolutionary struggle & unity." the record of destructive tactics by anarchist elements, even recently at wto protests, is indisputable. as is the anti-working class relationship between terrorism & anarchy, both ultimately serving bourgeois interests. cs >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, rustudentsforpeace@..., >njfo@egroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, amirib@... >Subject: [nbpc] Attacking Anarchist? >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 03:10:46 -0500 > >Joe, >Your flyer compares anarchists to the terrorists that attacked the WTC. >That is not >only stupid it alienates everyone that you were working with. How can that >be >productive? It is best to criticize people's actions not what they say. If >the >anarchists do something that I think is wrong I will criticize it. >Anarchists are >leading the "anti-globilization movement", they are fighting a significant >aspect of >imperialism, to just dismiss that is arrogant and ignorant... >It was a mistake to compare anarchists with terrorists. >You have isolated yourself from the bulk of young organizers already. >Persisting in >this way will only isolate you more, it has nothing to do with me. Though I >will >continue to draw a line of demarcation between SWORD and Unity & Struggle. >We have >many disagreements. >We are facing a very dangerous situation and there is certainly the >potential that >Bush led Imperialism will push the world towards fascism. Your line is the >same as the >Trots who attcked the Communists from within the United Front in Spain >opening the way >for Franco. Before you deny it, try learning about it. Practice your line >if you want. >Don't blame me for your failure isolation. > >Keith > >PS. This is the only response that I will make to this point on e-mail. We >don't have >time. > >joseph smith wrote: > > > keith joseph says anarchists are leading the struggle against the world > > bank& imf. and that is why SWORD's criticism (specifically 3rd >paragraph) > > is wrong - though he had none to offer, odd from a communist? > > > > it is an outright lie that the anarchists are leading the struggle >against > > imperialism! The majority of protestors at these conferences are not >even > > anarchists - let alone those that understand to organize their >international > > revolutionary line locally throughout the community, such as the elected > > school board campaign and ras baraka for newark council. the peoples >local > > and community organization against imperialism is 1000X more productive >than > > a one day or weak protest. the ruling class has already won the street >war - > > didn't marx say that over 100 years ago? that we should organize locally >to > > seize political office, isn't that what Unity & Struggle has authored? > > > > everywhere keith goes he joins the strongest tide within "the movement" > > against the now members of SWORD > > > > in a united front the people & organizations come together but our > > tendencies do not cease. that is why we must embrace debates and >criticisms > > - we are willing to prove our case. to agree and state that i cannot > > criticize a member of the anti-war movement, which is what those that > > initially disagreed with paragraph 3 stated, is wrong and hazardous to >Unity > > & Struggle - the practice - > > > > other than this development all engagements during tonight's speak out >wear > > visibly productive. and we continue with - > > > > speak out monday september 17 8:00pm brower commons > > strategy meeting tuesday september 18 6:00pm NB library guest house > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > Defeat Terrorism & Imperialism with More Revolutionary Democracy! > > Prime Suspect: Bush/CIA &co! > > > > We first stand with all victims of the recent terror attacks & insist > > capture of perpetrators. Service workers, clerks, secretaries, food >workers, > > custodians, maintenance, visitors, firemen, cops-these are many of the >dead > > & wounded. > > > > Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & > > disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly > > capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, >democratic > > revolutionary struggle & unity. Impeach Bush Now! & Defeat All >Republicans > > (Schundler)! > > > > The illegitimate Bush regime & allied international corporate >imperialist > > web (WTO, IMF, World Bank�) were tremendously isolated following the >stolen > > election, the US/Israeli dis of World Racism Forum in So.Africa & mass > > protests of WTO in Genoa, Italy, &c. > > > > Bush now is given carte blanche $billions to shoot em up, while New > > Brunswick pre-schoolers are turned away for "lack of facilities" & await > > "trailer classrooms". > > > > The attacks on US citizens soup Bush aggression & promise fascist >martial > > law powers: the absolute elimination of Democratic Freedoms here and > > Blitzkreig War abroad--Terrorism serves Imperialism. > > > > Before Hitler cd jump, 1st he burned the Reichstag (1933), blamed the >Reds, > > outlawed opposition, &declared himself Supreme Leader (to 'protect the > > people'). > > > > Remember: Bush1 was head of the CIA, best equipped to carry out this > > synchronized slaughter, unless you think Oswald did the job alone� > > > > Bush/Cheney/CIA hoods demand 'evil Arabs did it! w/ box cutters(!) &red > > bandannas...' (But have charged nobody, with all their 'evidence'!) > > Like NB Pimps Marshall &Chinchilla sd '98 'We was shot by one of them > > Remsen Ave. Boys' & dropped $10G bounty on heads of NB Black Youth. > > As diversion from their own crimes--convicted, sentenced & still on the > > street! > > > > Fight, Don't Hide! Intensify Democratic Struggle! > > Smash Schundler, Vote McGreasy, Nov. election! > > Put RasBaraka in Newark City Council, May '02! > > Seize New Brunswick, Nov. '02-mayor, 2 council seats, elected board of > > education! > > > > Join the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign: meet NB library12:00 1st Sat >in > > October. > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > contact Cliff Smith 732.214.8828 can_bush@... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Thi is from the www.Stopnato.org listserve... THE QUESTIONS NOT ASKED AS THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK By Saul Landau Five days after the assault, Americans have ingested a TV, radio and print diet of bombast, hyperbole and sheer nonsense. The messages from our elected leaders, so-called experts and actors posing as TV anchors have stressed retaliation and prevention after the perpetrators have accomplished their mission. The bloody deed has been done. The wheels spinners may feel better locking the proverbial barn door after the horses have escaped. The war indeed began on September 11, but thus far few in power or the limelight have asked about the enemy's objectives -- at least not publicly. When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, the war had begun for the domination of the Pacific and the resources of southeast Asia. But what do the shadowy terrorists who struck our financial and military nerve centers really want? High officials label them as cowards, but their behavior points rather toward heroic evil. They had a mission, took risks, plotted with cool and calculating accuracy and then proved themselves more than willing to die for their cause. But what exactly is their cause? Shouldn't someone in power ask that question and have it debated before rushing madly around the world with troops, missiles and extreme belligerence? The Senate, our supposedly deliberative body, didn't even discuss the crisis, but simply voted, as did the House, massive amounts of money for our confused president to use as he wishes. Congress will pour money into military and police operations, under the curious rubric of security -- a far cry from a thumb and a blanket -- while destroying the fiscal soundness of our concrete security: social security and Medicare. Bin Laden and his fiendish cult have thus far successfully detoured us away from our agenda and into a world that the plotters know best. Threats abound about bombing these Taliban brutes who harbor Bin Laden in Afghanistan back into the Stone Age. How do you bomb people back into the stone age when they already live in the Stone Age? How do you successfully threaten with death those who welcome it? How many of us are willing to admit that the September 11 events dramatize a real clash of civilizations? That the attacks on the real and symbolic nerve centers of world finance and militarism meant the real war against corporate globalization -- a war that most of us anti-globalization types want no part of. We saw in Iran in 1979 and in post communist Afghanistan some signs of what the purifiers of Islam want. It's not what I had in mind when I opposed corporate globalization. I don't want my daughters to grow up uneducated and trailing their husbands; nor do I want a theocracy dedicated to setting the world back five centuries. I also don't want to go to war with innocent people in the name of responding to the September 11 stone cold killers. I think the time has come to study, think, debate -- then, when the public has been informed and not confused by a driven media, we should act, in concert with the rest of the civilized world. Saul Landau is the Director of Digital Media and International Outreach Programs for the College of Letters, Arts and Social SciencesCalifornia State Polytechnic University, Pomona3801 W. Temple AvenuePomona, CA 91768tel: 909-869-3115fax: 909-869-4858http://www.saullandau.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Hey! Check it out! For once, appearing below, is an actual article (!) about New Brunswick here on the unofficial newsgroup of the New Brunswick People's Campaign! City starts rezoning effort Published in the Home News Tribune 9/18/01 By SHARON WATERS STAFF WRITER NEW BRUNSWICK: Uncertain about what a city developer plans to do with a prime piece of real estate, city officials took the first step yesterday to rezone a portion of the central business district to limit its use. The zoning amendment, creating an office, cultural and governmental district, would include the First Union Bank branch on Bayard Street that developer Omar Boraie bought this summer, said Glenn Patterson, director of the city's department of planning, community and economic development. Boraie has not said what he plans to do with the property, Patterson said. Mayor Jim Cahill had wanted to convert the building into a small theater or other cultural project, but Boraie's purchase thwarted his plans. The City Council will vote Thursday to refer to the Planning Board a zoning amendment that would create the new district. The council will consider the resolution during its regular meeting at 5 p.m. Thursday in City Hall. The amendment would prohibit a structure serving only as a parking deck although parking facilities could be incorporated into an office building under the amendment, Patterson said. The possible area to be rezoned would be bordered by Bayard, Kirkpatrick and New streets and Livingston Avenue. George Street is zoned separately for retail use. Although he would have owned the building before any amendment passed, Boraie would have no right to contest the zoning change, said Patterson. "He only gets rights if he comes in with a plan and has approvals and so forth, and he's not at that point," said Patterson. City Attorney William J. Hamilton Jr. said he had not researched the issue yet. Cahill said earlier this month Boraie's purchase was a surprise to city officials, who had had discussions with the Cultural Center about development of a 800- to 1,000-seat theater on the site, which backs up to the State Theater, Cahill said. Officials were "very concerned" about what might sit on the property next to City Hall and officials with the city and the New Brunswick Development Corp. had conversations with First Union about the building's fate, the mayor said. First Union closed the Bayard Street branch next to City Hall in May. Boraie submitted the winning bid to purchase the bank and the sale closed this summer for about $1.8 million. Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@... from the Home News Tribune Published: September 18, 2001
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Saudi Suspects in U.S. Attacks Were Not in the U.S. RIYADH, Sept 17 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - U.S. officials in Riyadh offered Abdul Rahman Said al-Omari an official apology in the presence of Saudi interior ministry officials for including his name among the list of suspects in the U.S. terrorist attacks, news agencies reported Monday. Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, told the Saudi daily Al-Watan that he was amazed to see his name on the FBI's list of suspects allegedly involved in the attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center Tuesday, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported. Omari said he returned to Saudi Arabia in early September after undergoing training for one year in the United States, AFP added. Meanwhile, the mother of another Saudi man, also suspected in the September 11th attacks, said Monday that her son has been in Chechnya for two years with a relief committee operating in the tiny war-torn Muslim republic. The mother of Ahmad Ibrahim al-Ghamdi told Al-Watan that her son had been studying engineering in the Saudi city of Mecca before departing for Chechnya, AFP reported. Ibrahim, 20, the youngest child in a family of three sons and four daughters, had been in constant contact with his family from Chechnya, said his mother. The father of Fayez Mohammad al-Shehri, yet another Saudi suspect, also told the daily that his son had also left for Chechnya two years ago with the relief committee. "He was going with the relief committee," said Shehri's father, a school headmaster. Notably, the preliminary lists of confirmed dead of American Airlines flights 11 and 77 and United flight 175, released September 13th by U.K. daily The Guardian, did not include any Arab or Middle Eastern names. According to The Guardian, some 81 passengers and 11 crew members were on board when American Airlines flight AA11, en route from Boston to Los Angeles, crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. This is the preliminary, partial list of passengers aboard the flight. Crew Captain John Ogonowski First Officer Thomas McGuinness Barbara Arestegui Jeffrey Collman Sara Low Karen Martin Kathleen Nicosia Betty Ong Jean Roger Dianne Snyder Madeline Sweeney Passengers Anna Allison David Angell Lynn Angell Seima Aoyama Myra Aronson Christine Barbuto Carol Bouchard Neilie Casey Jeffrey Coombs Tara Creamer Thelma Cuccinello Patrick Currivan Andrew Currygreen Brian Dale David Dimeglio Donald Ditullio Albert Dominguez Al Filipov Carol Flyzik Paul Friedman Karleton Fyfe Peter Gay Linda George Edmund Glazer Page Hackel Farley Peter Hashem Robert Hayes Edward Hennessy John Hofer Cora Holland Nicholas Humber John Jenkins Charles Jones Robin Kaplan Barbara Keating David Kovalcin N Janis Lasden Danny Lee Daniel Lewin Jeff Mladenik Antonio Montoya Laura Morabito Mildred Naiman Laurie Neira Renee Newell Jacqueline Norton Robert Norton Jane Orth Thomas Pecorelli Bernthia Perkins Sonia Puopolo David Retik Philip Rosenweig Richard Ross Heath Smith Douglas Stone Xavier Suarez James Trentini Mary Trentini Mary Wahlstrom Kenneth Waldie John Wenckus Candace Williams Christopher Zarba Some 58 passengers and six crew members were on board when American Airlines flight AA77, en route from Washington Dulles to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon, The Guardian reported. Again, no Arabic or Middle Eastern names appear on the list. Crew Captain Charles Burlingame First Officer David Charlebois Michele Heidenberger Jennifer Lewis Kenneth Lewis Renee May Passengers Paul Ambrose Yemen Betru MJ Booth Bernard Brown Suzanne Calley William Caswell Sarah Clark Asia Cottom James Debeuneure Rodney Dickens Eddie Dillard Charles Droz Barbara Edwards Charles Falkenberg Zoe Falkenberg Dana Falkenberg James Ferguson Budd Flagg Dee Flagg Richard Gabriel Ian Gray Stanley Hall Bryan Jack Steve Jacoby Ann Judge Chandler Keller Yvonne Kennedy Norma Khan Karen Kincaid Norma Langsteuerle Dong Lee Dora Menchaca Chris Newton Barbara Olson Ruben Ornedo Lisa Raines Todd Reuben John Sammartino Diane Simmons George Simmons Mari Rae Sopper Robert Speisman Leonard Taylor Sandra Teague Leslie Whittington John Yamnicky Vicki Yancey Shuyin Yang Yuguag Zheng Some 56 passengers and nine crewmembers were on board when United flight 175, on route from Boston to Los Angeles, crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center, The Guardian reported. No Arabic or Middle Eastern names appear here either. Crew Captain Victor Saracini First Officer Michael Horrocks Robert J Fangman Amy N Jarret Amy R King Kathryn L Laborie Alfred G Marchand Michael C Tarrou Alicia N Titus Passengers Alona Avraham Garnet Bailey Mark Bavis Graham Berkeley Klaus Bothe David Brandhorst Daniel Brandhorst John Cahill Christoffer Carstanjen John Corcoran Dorothy Dearaujo Gloria Debarrera Lisa Frost Lynn Goodchild Francis Grogan Carl Hammond Gerald Hardacre Eric Hartono James Hayden Roberta Jalbert Ralph Kershaw Heinrich Kimmig Brian Kinney Maclovia Lopez Marianne Macfarlane Juliana Mccourt Ruth Mccourt Wolfgang Menzel Shawn Nassaney Marie Pappalardo Patrick Quigley Jesus Sanchez Kathleen Shearer Robert Shearer Jane Simpkin Brian Sweeney Tim Ward William Weems Meanwhile, an official source at Saudi Airlines announced that Amer Kenfer, a Saudi aviation engineer whose name appeared on the list of passengers on board the United Airlines flight, en route from Boston to Los Angeles, is currently in Saudi Arabia. Kenfer called Saudi Airlines from his home in Mecca once he heard his name announced as one of the passengers on the United flight, confirming that another passenger must have made use of the fact that foreigners in the U.S. are not asked to show their passports on domestic flights and had in this way used Kenfer's name. The official Saudi source added that another Saudi suspect whose name was also included on the list of passengers who boarded the same United flight, Amir Bokhari - a Saudi Airlines pilot - had died two years ago during aviation training exercises. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------- ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000
>From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc]
>BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000
>
>4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack
>
>Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement
>of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international
>media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the
>incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers.
>Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and
>later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs
>the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being
>killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the
>Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day
>based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, the
>fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted
>to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it
>occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S
>authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further
>after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented
>Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly to
>the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the
>Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the
>commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a
>negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue behind
>the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again without
>giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having
>his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the
>organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, but
>his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary officially
>announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For
>its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested five
>Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the
>smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had
>arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been caught
>videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and
>mockery. =======
>
>
>VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE
>IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!!
>
>DEFINING APARTHEID
>
>Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and
>Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term
>"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of
>segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also
>apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and
>maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes
>the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause
>physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a
>racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and
>cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are
>doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA.
>
>
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Cliff- The absence of Women's rep. on old U&S cover is my mistake, and I accept the criticism. However, the error had already been noticed and corrected for subsequent issues. Only a 100 or so of the first went out. -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: amirib@..., jmodibo@..., njfo@egroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] which 'trend' embraces anarchism, u&s? Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:43:50 +0000 u&s accuses sword of promoting anarchy (new u&s), by way of deflecting our political criticisms of them. (for instance, apparently, that they actually will embrace, or at minimum, defend, anarchism, but make no such gesture to women, judging from their 'united front' graphic, cover-new u&s) u&s representative keith joseph- "It is best to criticize people's actions not(!) what they say. If the anarchists do something that I think is wrong I will criticize it." (but 'not what they say', i.e. the ideology of anarchism.) cs kj- "Anarchists are leading(!) the "anti-globilization movement", they are fighting a significant aspect of imperialism, to just dismiss that is arrogant and ignorant...It was a mistake to compare anarchists with terrorists. You have isolated yourself from the bulk of young organizers already." keith refers to this statement in our recent leaflet, full text below: "Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, democratic revolutionary struggle & unity." the record of destructive tactics by anarchist elements, even recently at wto protests, is indisputable. as is the anti-working class relationship between terrorism & anarchy, both ultimately serving bourgeois interests. cs >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, rustudentsforpeace@..., >njfo@egroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, amirib@... >Subject: [nbpc] Attacking Anarchist? >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 03:10:46 -0500 > >Joe, >Your flyer compares anarchists to the terrorists that attacked the WTC. >That is not >only stupid it alienates everyone that you were working with. How can that >be >productive? It is best to criticize people's actions not what they say. If >the >anarchists do something that I think is wrong I will criticize it. >Anarchists are >leading the "anti-globilization movement", they are fighting a significant >aspect of >imperialism, to just dismiss that is arrogant and ignorant... >It was a mistake to compare anarchists with terrorists. >You have isolated yourself from the bulk of young organizers already. >Persisting in >this way will only isolate you more, it has nothing to do with me. Though I >will >continue to draw a line of demarcation between SWORD and Unity & Struggle. >We have >many disagreements. >We are facing a very dangerous situation and there is certainly the >potential that >Bush led Imperialism will push the world towards fascism. Your line is the >same as the >Trots who attcked the Communists from within the United Front in Spain >opening the way >for Franco. Before you deny it, try learning about it. Practice your line >if you want. >Don't blame me for your failure isolation. > >Keith > >PS. This is the only response that I will make to this point on e-mail. We >don't have >time. > >joseph smith wrote: > > > keith joseph says anarchists are leading the struggle against the world > > bank& imf. and that is why SWORD's criticism (specifically 3rd >paragraph) > > is wrong - though he had none to offer, odd from a communist? > > > > it is an outright lie that the anarchists are leading the struggle >against > > imperialism! The majority of protestors at these conferences are not >even > > anarchists - let alone those that understand to organize their >international > > revolutionary line locally throughout the community, such as the elected > > school board campaign and ras baraka for newark council. the peoples >local > > and community organization against imperialism is 1000X more productive >than > > a one day or weak protest. the ruling class has already won the street >war - > > didn't marx say that over 100 years ago? that we should organize locally >to > > seize political office, isn't that what Unity & Struggle has authored? > > > > everywhere keith goes he joins the strongest tide within "the movement" > > against the now members of SWORD > > > > in a united front the people & organizations come together but our > > tendencies do not cease. that is why we must embrace debates and >criticisms > > - we are willing to prove our case. to agree and state that i cannot > > criticize a member of the anti-war movement, which is what those that > > initially disagreed with paragraph 3 stated, is wrong and hazardous to >Unity > > & Struggle - the practice - > > > > other than this development all engagements during tonight's speak out >wear > > visibly productive. and we continue with - > > > > speak out monday september 17 8:00pm brower commons > > strategy meeting tuesday september 18 6:00pm NB library guest house > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > Defeat Terrorism & Imperialism with More Revolutionary Democracy! > > Prime Suspect: Bush/CIA &co! > > > > We first stand with all victims of the recent terror attacks & insist > > capture of perpetrators. Service workers, clerks, secretaries, food >workers, > > custodians, maintenance, visitors, firemen, cops-these are many of the >dead > > & wounded. > > > > Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & > > disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly > > capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, >democratic > > revolutionary struggle & unity. Impeach Bush Now! & Defeat All >Republicans > > (Schundler)! > > > > The illegitimate Bush regime & allied international corporate >imperialist > > web (WTO, IMF, World Bank�) were tremendously isolated following the >stolen > > election, the US/Israeli dis of World Racism Forum in So.Africa & mass > > protests of WTO in Genoa, Italy, &c. > > > > Bush now is given carte blanche $billions to shoot em up, while New > > Brunswick pre-schoolers are turned away for "lack of facilities" & await > > "trailer classrooms". > > > > The attacks on US citizens soup Bush aggression & promise fascist >martial > > law powers: the absolute elimination of Democratic Freedoms here and > > Blitzkreig War abroad--Terrorism serves Imperialism. > > > > Before Hitler cd jump, 1st he burned the Reichstag (1933), blamed the >Reds, > > outlawed opposition, &declared himself Supreme Leader (to 'protect the > > people'). > > > > Remember: Bush1 was head of the CIA, best equipped to carry out this > > synchronized slaughter, unless you think Oswald did the job alone� > > > > Bush/Cheney/CIA hoods demand 'evil Arabs did it! w/ box cutters(!) &red > > bandannas...' (But have charged nobody, with all their 'evidence'!) > > Like NB Pimps Marshall &Chinchilla sd '98 'We was shot by one of them > > Remsen Ave. Boys' & dropped $10G bounty on heads of NB Black Youth. > > As diversion from their own crimes--convicted, sentenced & still on the > > street! > > > > Fight, Don't Hide! Intensify Democratic Struggle! > > Smash Schundler, Vote McGreasy, Nov. election! > > Put RasBaraka in Newark City Council, May '02! > > Seize New Brunswick, Nov. '02-mayor, 2 council seats, elected board of > > education! > > > > Join the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign: meet NB library12:00 1st Sat >in > > October. > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > contact Cliff Smith 732.214.8828 can_bush@... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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missed you at the last pc mtg, flavio. next one 12:00 sat, oct 6 what's up w/ the 'official newsgroups'? cliff >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] City starts rezoning effort >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 20:44:37 -0000 > >Hey! Check it out! For once, appearing below, is an actual article >(!) about New Brunswick here on the unofficial newsgroup of the New >Brunswick People's Campaign! > > > >City starts rezoning effort > > >Published in the Home News Tribune 9/18/01 >By SHARON WATERS >STAFF WRITER > >NEW BRUNSWICK: Uncertain about what a city developer plans to do with >a prime piece of real estate, city officials took the first step >yesterday to rezone a portion of the central business district to >limit its use. > >The zoning amendment, creating an office, cultural and governmental >district, would include the First Union Bank branch on Bayard Street >that developer Omar Boraie bought this summer, said Glenn Patterson, >director of the city's department of planning, community and economic >development. > >Boraie has not said what he plans to do with the property, Patterson >said. > >Mayor Jim Cahill had wanted to convert the building into a small >theater or other cultural project, but Boraie's purchase thwarted his >plans. > >The City Council will vote Thursday to refer to the Planning Board a >zoning amendment that would create the new district. The council will >consider the resolution during its regular meeting at 5 p.m. Thursday >in City Hall. > >The amendment would prohibit a structure serving only as a parking >deck although parking facilities could be incorporated into an office >building under the amendment, Patterson said. > >The possible area to be rezoned would be bordered by Bayard, >Kirkpatrick and New streets and Livingston Avenue. George Street is >zoned separately for retail use. > >Although he would have owned the building before any amendment >passed, Boraie would have no right to contest the zoning change, said >Patterson. > >"He only gets rights if he comes in with a plan and has approvals and >so forth, and he's not at that point," said Patterson. > >City Attorney William J. Hamilton Jr. said he had not researched the >issue yet. > >Cahill said earlier this month Boraie's purchase was a surprise to >city officials, who had had discussions with the Cultural Center >about development of a 800- to 1,000-seat theater on the site, which >backs up to the State Theater, Cahill said. > >Officials were "very concerned" about what might sit on the property >next to City Hall and officials with the city and the New Brunswick >Development Corp. had conversations with First Union about the >building's fate, the mayor said. > >First Union closed the Bayard Street branch next to City Hall in May. >Boraie submitted the winning bid to purchase the bank and the sale >closed this summer for about $1.8 million. > >Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@... > > > >from the Home News Tribune > >Published: September 18, 2001 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
what's the source? what's 'manar tv'? >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, poprogress@yahoogroups.com, >njfo@yahoogroups.com, onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:25:09 > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
top 10 reasons bush destroyed the wtc:
10. needed $40 billion for A-rod's contract extension
9. liked hitler's 'reichstag fire' stunt. thought he'd try it.
8. couldn't figure out how to steal the nyc democratic primary.
7. to escape having to pose with bad boy home run king
barry (us) bonds.
6. terrified schundler might lose nj election.
5. to sabatoge new jay-z "blueprint" premiere.
4. initiation into 'skull & bones'.
3. shakedown small stock investors.
2. reason to kill a-rabs like dear ol' dad.
1. no good summer action flicks.
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Matt,
You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining your
intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its
intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much
less 'spread.'
Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a
Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the
civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and
social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most
important is
the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have
produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World
Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist
Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very
evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and
The Star.
http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18
Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether
it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more
to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as any
defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better
than those you claim to oppose.
Chris
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Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the
Day o f the Attack
READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD
>From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli
>Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001
>14:59:56 +0000
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Subject :
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o f the Attack
Date :
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>From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc]
>BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000
>
>4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack
>
>Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement
>of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international
>media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the
>incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers.
>Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and
>later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs
>the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being
>killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the
>Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day
>based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, the
>fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted
>to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it
>occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S
>authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further
>after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented
>Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly to
>the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the
>Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the
>commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a
>negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue behind
>the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again without
>giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having
>his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the
>organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, but
>his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary officially
>announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For
>its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested five
>Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the
>smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had
>arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been caught
>videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and
>mockery. =======
>
>
>VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE
>IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!!
>
>DEFINING APARTHEID
>
>Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and
>Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term
>"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of
>segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also
>apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and
>maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes
>the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause
>physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a
>racial group from full development of their political, social, economic and
>cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are
>doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA.
>
>
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>FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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true or not, is easier to swallow, conspiracy-wise, than the farce that the wtc was demolished w/ boxcutters >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > >Matt, > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining >your >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much >less 'spread.' > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most >important is >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and >The Star. > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as >any >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better >than those you claim to oppose. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
If one is as bent on one's pre-packaged world view, and as indifferent to the pursuit of truth as one cliff smith -- no doubt. But that is an indictment against you to begin with, and certainly no news to me. As far as I'm concerned, you're no less an agent of international finance capital or the military-industrial complex than 'they' are. -----Original Message----- From: cliff smith [mailto:cliffsmith69@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:31 PM To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack true or not, is easier to swallow, conspiracy-wise, than the farce that the wtc was demolished w/ boxcutters >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > >Matt, > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining >your >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much >less 'spread.' > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most >important is >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and >The Star. > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as >any >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better >than those you claim to oppose. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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where can i pick up some of the 100 copies and when will more be availavle? joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@..., jmodibo@..., >njfo@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [njfo] Re: [nbpc] which 'trend' embraces anarchism, u&s? >Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 00:30:41 > >Cliff- The absence of Women's rep. on old U&S cover is my mistake, and I >accept the criticism. However, the error had already been noticed and >corrected for subsequent issues. Only a 100 or so of the first went out. >-Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: amirib@..., jmodibo@..., njfo@egroups.com, >coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] which 'trend' embraces anarchism, u&s? >Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:43:50 +0000 > >u&s accuses sword of promoting anarchy (new u&s), by way of deflecting our >political criticisms of them. > >(for instance, apparently, that they actually will embrace, or at minimum, >defend, anarchism, but make no such gesture to women, judging from their >'united front' graphic, cover-new u&s) > >u&s representative keith joseph- >"It is best to criticize people's actions not(!) what they say. If the >anarchists do something that I think is wrong I will criticize it." > >(but 'not what they say', i.e. the ideology of anarchism.) cs > >kj- >"Anarchists are leading(!) the "anti-globilization movement", they are >fighting a significant aspect of imperialism, to just dismiss that is >arrogant and ignorant...It was a mistake to compare anarchists with >terrorists. You have isolated yourself from the bulk of young organizers >already." > >keith refers to this statement in our recent leaflet, full text below: > >"Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & >disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly >capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, democratic >revolutionary struggle & unity." > >the record of destructive tactics by anarchist elements, even recently at >wto protests, is indisputable. as is the anti-working class relationship >between terrorism & anarchy, both ultimately serving bourgeois interests. > >cs > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, rustudentsforpeace@..., > >njfo@egroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, amirib@... > >Subject: [nbpc] Attacking Anarchist? > >Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 03:10:46 -0500 > > > >Joe, > >Your flyer compares anarchists to the terrorists that attacked the WTC. > >That is not > >only stupid it alienates everyone that you were working with. How can >that > >be > >productive? It is best to criticize people's actions not what they say. >If > >the > >anarchists do something that I think is wrong I will criticize it. > >Anarchists are > >leading the "anti-globilization movement", they are fighting a >significant > >aspect of > >imperialism, to just dismiss that is arrogant and ignorant... > >It was a mistake to compare anarchists with terrorists. > >You have isolated yourself from the bulk of young organizers already. > >Persisting in > >this way will only isolate you more, it has nothing to do with me. >Though >I > >will > >continue to draw a line of demarcation between SWORD and Unity & >Struggle. > >We have > >many disagreements. > >We are facing a very dangerous situation and there is certainly the > >potential that > >Bush led Imperialism will push the world towards fascism. Your line is >the > >same as the > >Trots who attcked the Communists from within the United Front in Spain > >opening the way > >for Franco. Before you deny it, try learning about it. Practice your >line > >if you want. > >Don't blame me for your failure isolation. > > > >Keith > > > >PS. This is the only response that I will make to this point on e-mail. >We > >don't have > >time. > > > >joseph smith wrote: > > > > > keith joseph says anarchists are leading the struggle against the >world > > > bank& imf. and that is why SWORD's criticism (specifically 3rd > >paragraph) > > > is wrong - though he had none to offer, odd from a communist? > > > > > > it is an outright lie that the anarchists are leading the struggle > >against > > > imperialism! The majority of protestors at these conferences are not > >even > > > anarchists - let alone those that understand to organize their > >international > > > revolutionary line locally throughout the community, such as the >elected > > > school board campaign and ras baraka for newark council. the peoples > >local > > > and community organization against imperialism is 1000X more >productive > >than > > > a one day or weak protest. the ruling class has already won the >street > >war - > > > didn't marx say that over 100 years ago? that we should organize >locally > >to > > > seize political office, isn't that what Unity & Struggle has >authored? > > > > > > everywhere keith goes he joins the strongest tide within "the >movement" > > > against the now members of SWORD > > > > > > in a united front the people & organizations come together but our > > > tendencies do not cease. that is why we must embrace debates and > >criticisms > > > - we are willing to prove our case. to agree and state that i cannot > > > criticize a member of the anti-war movement, which is what those that > > > initially disagreed with paragraph 3 stated, is wrong and hazardous >to > >Unity > > > & Struggle - the practice - > > > > > > other than this development all engagements during tonight's speak >out > >wear > > > visibly productive. and we continue with - > > > > > > speak out monday september 17 8:00pm brower commons > > > strategy meeting tuesday september 18 6:00pm NB library guest house > > > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > > Defeat Terrorism & Imperialism with More Revolutionary Democracy! > > > Prime Suspect: Bush/CIA &co! > > > > > > We first stand with all victims of the recent terror attacks & insist > > > capture of perpetrators. Service workers, clerks, secretaries, food > >workers, > > > custodians, maintenance, visitors, firemen, cops-these are many of >the > >dead > > > & wounded. > > > > > > Terrorism, like anarchism, undermines the conscious, productive, & > > > disciplined peoples' democratic struggle against monopoly > > > capital/imperialism. What is needed is organization & education, > >democratic > > > revolutionary struggle & unity. Impeach Bush Now! & Defeat All > >Republicans > > > (Schundler)! > > > > > > The illegitimate Bush regime & allied international corporate > >imperialist > > > web (WTO, IMF, World Bank�) were tremendously isolated following the > >stolen > > > election, the US/Israeli dis of World Racism Forum in So.Africa & >mass > > > protests of WTO in Genoa, Italy, &c. > > > > > > Bush now is given carte blanche $billions to shoot em up, while New > > > Brunswick pre-schoolers are turned away for "lack of facilities" & >await > > > "trailer classrooms". > > > > > > The attacks on US citizens soup Bush aggression & promise fascist > >martial > > > law powers: the absolute elimination of Democratic Freedoms here and > > > Blitzkreig War abroad--Terrorism serves Imperialism. > > > > > > Before Hitler cd jump, 1st he burned the Reichstag (1933), blamed the > >Reds, > > > outlawed opposition, &declared himself Supreme Leader (to 'protect >the > > > people'). > > > > > > Remember: Bush1 was head of the CIA, best equipped to carry out this > > > synchronized slaughter, unless you think Oswald did the job alone� > > > > > > Bush/Cheney/CIA hoods demand 'evil Arabs did it! w/ box cutters(!) >&red > > > bandannas...' (But have charged nobody, with all their 'evidence'!) > > > Like NB Pimps Marshall &Chinchilla sd '98 'We was shot by one of them > > > Remsen Ave. Boys' & dropped $10G bounty on heads of NB Black Youth. > > > As diversion from their own crimes--convicted, sentenced & still on >the > > > street! > > > > > > Fight, Don't Hide! Intensify Democratic Struggle! > > > Smash Schundler, Vote McGreasy, Nov. election! > > > Put RasBaraka in Newark City Council, May '02! > > > Seize New Brunswick, Nov. '02-mayor, 2 council seats, elected board >of > > > education! > > > > > > Join the New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign: meet NB library12:00 1st >Sat > >in > > > October. > > > > > > Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > > > > > > contact Cliff Smith 732.214.8828 can_bush@... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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all mouth no work makes kozlowski a dull commi >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [njfo] RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC >Absent the Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > >Matt, > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining >your >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much >less 'spread.' > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most >important is >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and >The Star. > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as >any >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better >than those you claim to oppose. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >---- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
His work and mouth makes Joe Smith an indispensable tool of 'imperialism'. No, scratch that -- a dispensable tool. :) But nonetheless useful. Keep up the good work, guys. Is the CIA still supplying you with narcotics? -----Original Message----- From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 11:59 PM To: njfo@yahoogroups.com; nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [njfo] RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack all mouth no work makes kozlowski a dull commi >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [njfo] RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC >Absent the Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > >Matt, > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining >your >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much >less 'spread.' > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most >important is >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and >The Star. > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as >any >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better >than those you claim to oppose. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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Announcement:
Demonstration Against War
Tomorrow, Thursday Sept 20
@Brower Commons 5:00pm
can_bush@...
all hands on deck!!
**IMPEACH BUSH**
During rally, dispute over war breaks out
By: Melissa Hayes, Targum Staff Writer
09/19/01
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>
>About 100 people gathered on the steps of Brower Commons on the College
>Avenue campus Monday night for a speak-out organized by Rutgers Students
>for Peace, which turned into an argument on whether or not the United
>States should go to war.
>
>Phrases written in chalk such as �Pro-Life? Don�t Ask for War!� covered the
>sidewalks as students gathered to speak on peace.
>
>�We don�t need people to die. � This is a call for peace,� said Rick
>Schaffer, one of the founding members of Rutgers Students for Peace � which
>is not recognized by the University � and a graduate student studying labor
>and employment relations. �We don�t need a police state here.�
>
>Although the group held the speak-out with the intention of having students
>speak out for peace and against war, as the event continued, many students
>spoke out on the benefits of going to war.
>
>Dave Allmer, a College of Engineering first-year student, responded to
>Schaffer. �There�ll never be peace until we get rid of all the terrorists,�
>he said.
>
>Taliver Heath, a graduate student studying computer science, added, �We�re
>Americans. We fight back.�
>
>Rachel Lichtenfeld, a Douglass College sophomore, rebutted. �When people go
>to war, innocents die,� Lichtenfeld said. �War is about killing people.�
>
>Keith Joseph, a member of New Brunswick People�s Campaign � an opposition
>political party in the city that unsuccessfully attempted to elect three
>candidates to the New Brunswick City Council last year � spoke at the
>event. He noted that the CIA supplied materials and funding to the Afghan
>Mujahadeen rebels in their fight against invading Soviet forces in the
>1980s. Osama bin Laden, a suspect in last Tuesday�s terrorist attacks,
>joined the CIA-backed rebel forces. �We need to abolish the CIA,� Joseph
>said.
>
>Heath questioned Joseph�s position. �What�s going to stop the terrorists?�
>he asked, referring to Joseph�s statement.
>
>As the discussion went on, a woman in the crowd began to demand that the
>students supporting an American military response to the terror leave the
>event. Several small arguments had broken out in the crowd by this time
>between people disputing that the United States should �get out of
>everything� and people demanding that the U.S. �bomb the terrorists.�
>
>Onlooker Rob Vazquez was perplexed by the heated dispute. The World Trade
>Center was reduced to six stories of debris, he said, �and people are
>arguing about social issues and getting out of the country. � It�s really
>stupid.�
>
>Schaffer said, �What we�re trying to advocate is that the U.S. does not
>need to go to war.�
>
>An anonymous Rutgers College first-year student wearing an American flag as
>a cape and a sign that reads �For those responsible, we�re coming for you,�
>made an appearance at the speak-out. �We�re going to wipe them out,� he
>said in reference to the culprits behind last Tuesday�s attack. �We don�t
>stand down to terrorists.�
>
>Joseph argued with the student, maintaining that the CIA created bin Laden
>and will sow the seeds of future terrorist attacks if the agency is
>permitted to exist. All the student could say is that �it just wouldn�t
>happen.�
>
>Lichtenfeld, another founding member of Rutgers Students for Peace, said
>she was �pleasantly surprised� by the number of students that turned out
>for the event. She said that although many students showed up in opposition
>to a non-military response, �It�s nice to have a dialogue going.� She added
>that she hopes to organize a teach-in at which University professors will
>educate students on the subject.
>--------------------------
>Story Source: The Daily Targum
>
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Hundreds mourn death of grocer slain in possible hate crime
Published in the Home News Tribune 9/19/01
By KEN SERRANO
STAFF WRITER
In the shadow of a national tragedy and another cause of
grief that may have come in retaliation for it, hundreds of mourners at
the Islamic Society of Central Jersey in South Brunswick
marked the death yesterday of a Pakistan-born man formerly of
Milltown gunned down in his Dallas grocery store.
Muslims in both traditional and casual dress and non-Muslim
friends, and local
government and school leaders converged on the Islamic
Society's mosque on
Route 1 to mourn Waquar Hasan.
Hasan, who came to the United States more than a decade ago
with his family, was
buried at Oaklawn Memorial Park in South Brunswick.
Hasan's death has sparked an FBI investigation into whether
the killer acted out of
revenge for the terrorist attacks of last week.
Dallas police on Sunday said an initial check showed nothing
was stolen from
Mom's Grocery, co-owned by Hasan, who was killed with a
single gunshot to the
head Saturday night.
For Hasan's family, devout Muslims who have drawn insults
since the attacks on
the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, there is no question
the killing was a
hate crime.
In an wrenching scene inside the mosque following rounds of
prayers at the
funeral service, Choudhry Hasan, Waquar's brother, blamed his
brothers death on
anti-Muslim hostility that followed the World Trade Center
attacks. His brother's
four daughters, as well as his own daughters, huddled next to
him weeping.
"We cannot walk outside anymore," Hasan said.
Referring to Timothy McVeigh, an angry Hasan asked two
television reporters, "Did you guys ever say he was a Christian
terrorist?"
Hasan also referred to an incident over the weekend in which
he and two friends were pulled over by North Brunswick and New
Brunswick police. They explained to him they had received a
call from someone fearing the three men had left a suspicious
package at a fast-food restaurant.
Choudhry Hasan said police told him he "looked like a
terrorist" because of his long beard, white gown-like shirt and skull cap.
"I lost my brother and on top of it they called me a
terrorist," he said yesterday. "Stop this nonsense and don't abuse any
religion, please."
Mention of last week's devastating attacks in New York City
and Virginia was never far from any remark at the mosque.
But the themes touched on by others were of reconciliation,
hope for a slackening of tensions and shared loss in the New York
City death toll.
Standing next to Choudhry Hasan, a man held up a poster to
the television cameras of a Muslim friend lost in the World Trade
Center attack. As people pointed out after the service,
hundreds of the missing are believed to be Muslims.
"The media, the television talk shows are talking of blame,"
said Parvaiz Malik, the chairman of the board of trustees of the
Islamic Society. "This is a time to put our hearts and hands
together."
Malik underscored the support and protection the congregation
has received from local non-Muslims, including governmental
leaders and the township police and the state police.
Rep. Rush Holt, D-12th Dist., waded through kneeling men in
the front of the Mosque to address the crowd of about 250.
''To stand up to bigotry and intolerance takes as much
courage as it does to stand up to hijackers," he said. "It will take courage
to take what has been sown from turning into a whirlwind."
The death of Hasan has drawn the notice of the United Nations
and been reported in newspapers in Pakistan. Officials from
Pakistan's Consulate in New York were expected to attend the
afternoon service, but did not show up.
Women, veiled in the traditional scarves, hijabs, remained in
the back during the service as is customary in the Muslim religion.
For others, the signs of American life and their Muslim faith
stood side by side. Baseball caps were turned backward in a sign of
respect as others wore traditional skull caps. A hearse
draped with both the flags of Pakistan and the United States carried the
casket to the cemetery.
After the service, the mosque's religious director, Imam
Hamad Ahmad Chebli, said, "The grief (from the attacks) is in our hearts
as it is in every American's hearts."
He said a lot of good nonetheless has arisen since last week.
"People (non-Muslims) have been coming to the mosque asking
if they can help," he said.
As Choudhry stood in Oaklawn Memorial Park in a more
reflective frame of mind, he briefly recited his own American history.
He came to the United States in 1970 after studying in
London. He graduated from the University of Maryland with a degree in
mechanical engineering. Hasan, an American citizen, now owns
an Exxon gas station in North Brunswick.
"I buried my father here (in 1990) and now my brother," he
said. "I just want all this hatred to stop."
Ken Serrano: (732) 565-7212. E-mail kserrano@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: September 19, 2001
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Kris- Gross conspiracy theories? We're about to enter WWIII brother, and all we're getting is BS from Imperialist propaganda machine. If I find something I think is worth looking at, I put it out. That's all. We need to look at all sides. (If that bothers you, don't read them) The only firm conclusion I've made is that I'm not going to be spoonfed CNN smoke & mirrors while they go and reign 1000 WTC's upon the Middle East. Like they did in Iraq when they were going after "1 man" (1 million died in the process, and an entire nation destroyed.) Make up your own mind. -Matt >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [njfo] RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC >Absent the Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > >Matt, > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining >your >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much >less 'spread.' > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most >important is >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and >The Star. > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as >any >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better >than those you claim to oppose. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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> > The AMA invites all other RU organizations to participate in a >"RALLY FOR PEACE" this Thursday September 20th between 5 >and 7 PM at the Brower Commons. Our intention is to discuss the >ALTERNATIVES to WAR, because as history has proven, war and hatred >begetmore war and hatred. And though we are all deeply saddened by the >massiveloss of life resulting from the tragic events of September 11th, WE >DO NOT SEE WAR AS A SOLUTION to any answer, anywhere in the world. > >We have a confirmed booking for the Brower Commons for THIS THURSDAY at 5 >PM, and we are also attempting to organize an actual 60's style rally >within a few weeks, through New Brunswick (provided N.B. police have no >reservations about our safety) For this event, we will need volunteers. > >If a representative from your respective organizations would like to sing a >song, read a poem, or even say a little something on THURSDAY >infront of BROWER COMMONS regarding the horrors of war, please email me or >call me at 732-407-8772. > >Member organizations participating thus far include: Douglas College >Government Association, Food Not Bombs, AMA, PSA. If your organization >would like to become an official sponsor of this event, please let me know >ASAP. > >COME AND SUPPORT PEACE! > >Thank You, > >Rizwan Chaudhry > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Schundler stands by Robertson, won't return cash
Published in the Home News Tribune 9/19/01
By SANDY McCLURE
GANNETT STATE BUREAU
TRENTON -- Bret Schundler, the conservative Republican candidate for
governor, will not return a $2,600 campaign contribution from his friend Pat
Robertson.
Nor will he repudiate remarks made by the conservative evangelist, who
placed blame for the terrorist attacks on civil-liberties
groups, feminists, homosexuals and abortion-rights supporters who forced an
angry God to remove his protection of America.
President Bush and others immediately denounced the comments
made by the Rev. Jerry Falwell - agreed to by Robertson,
voices for the religious right, on Robertson's TV program Thursday.
Since returning to the United States from Israel where he was
visiting during the attack on America, Schundler has refused
comment on Robertson's remarks.
"There is no plan to return the (Robertson) contribution,"
said campaign spokesman Bill Guhl. "I don't think this is an issue that Bret
thinks is really relevant at this point, particularly since Falwell has
apologized. This is not something that Bret is going to make a big deal
about. He does not think it is something people should be focused on at this
point."
The Schundler campaign was only willing to say that Falwell's
subsequent apology was "appropriate."
The Schundler campaign's silence was questioned yesterday on
several fronts.
"We feel the comments (of Robertson) to be inappropriate,"
said Democratic candidate Jim McGreevey's spokesman, Richard
McGrath. "The failure of the Schundler campaign to repudiate
them is disappointing."
David Smith, spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, the
largest gay- and lesbian-advocacy organization in the nation, said,
"We are saddened by the fact that he (Schundler) did not take steps to
distance himself from the (Robertson) remarks."
"I believe that insane (terrorist) actions should not be
supported by intolerant comments, and intolerant comments should not be
supported by silence," said political strategist and McGreevey
supporter John Torok, of North Brunswick, who said, as an
American, he was outraged.
Torok charged that Schundler was trying not to anger the
religious right.
Robertson issued a statement Monday saying that the Falwell
comments, which he agreed with during the TV program, were not
fully understood during the program.
In a press release Friday, Robertson, however, issued his own
statement, pointing to rampant pornography on the Internet,
secularism, the occult and abortions.
"It (terrorism) is happening because God Almighty is lifting
his protection from us," Robertson said.
The Schundler campaign said he met privately yesterday with
pastors and Bill Bennett, the former U.S. secretary of education,
on the proper role of the religious community in the aftermath of the
attacks.
During a Monday press conference, Schundler attributed
terrorist assaults on the United States and Israel to repressive regimes
that shore up their domestic power by focusing anger at an external enemy.
� 2001 Gannett New Jersey Group
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Published: September 19, 2001
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well son, you just keep on tunin in cnn then >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:35:47 -0400 > >If one is as bent on one's pre-packaged world view, and as indifferent to >the pursuit of truth as one cliff smith -- no doubt. But that is an >indictment against you to begin with, and certainly no news to me. > >As far as I'm concerned, you're no less an agent of international finance >capital or the military-industrial complex than 'they' are. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: cliff smith [mailto:cliffsmith69@...] >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:31 PM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent >the Day o f the Attack > > >true or not, >is easier to swallow, conspiracy-wise, >than the farce that >the wtc was demolished >w/ boxcutters > > > >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent >the > >Day o f the Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > > > >Matt, > > > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining > >your > >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its > >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, >much > >less 'spread.' > > > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a > >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance >the > >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and > >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most > >important is > >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they >have > >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and >World > >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist > >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very > >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and > >The Star. > > > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > > > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, >whether > >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do >more > >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as > >any > >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better > >than those you claim to oppose. > > > >Chris > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; > >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the > >Day o f the Attack > > > > > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >---- > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > > > Previous Next | Close > > > >From : > >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > > > >Subject : > >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day > >o f the Attack > > > >Date : > >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the > >Attack > > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the >announcement > > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their >jobs > > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to >the > > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that >day > > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, > >the > > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who >wanted > > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak >prevented > > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and >particularly > >to > > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue > >behind > > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again > >without > > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for >having > > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, > >but > > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary > >officially > > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. >For > > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested > >five > > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming >the > > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been > >caught > > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > > >mockery. ======= > > > > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE >ANYWHERE > > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which > >also > > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment >and > > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This >includes > > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic > >and > > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get > >your > > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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>Muslim group asks for peace >By: Margie Watson, Staff Writer > > >09/20/01 >-------------------------- > >On the heels of the Pentagons order to send almost 100 combat aircraft to >the Persian Gulf area, the American Muslim Alliance will hold a Rally for >Peace today on the steps of Brower Commons on the College Avenue campus >between 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. > >According to a prepared statement, the rally will discuss the alternatives >to war, because as history has proven, war and hatred beget more war and >hatred. > >Rizwan Chaudhry, a University College senior, AMA member and the rally?s >organizer, said, Because of the media?s quick reaction to laying blame [for >last Tuesday's terrorist attacks] to the Muslims, as they have done in the >past, we may not be going into this war clearheaded. > >Chaudhry said students should come to the rally because "peace is the only >way." He added, "Despite the fact that these murderers went out and >committed such a horrendous crime, [the United States] shouldn't lay our >humanity aside. The people in Afghanistan don?t have to suffer because of >the crimes of a few." > >If given the opportunity to advise President George W. Bush on how to >respond to the terrorist attacks, Chaudhry said, "I would say take it slow. >Find out who actually committed the crimes. Instead of bombing on >suspicion, find out who the culprits are and go after the culprits." > >In the statement, Chaudhry noted, "We have seen enough violence in the >world, and thus we are firmly committed to peace and alternate ways of >dealing with the greater universal menace of ignorance." > >The rally will also touch upon "the current backlash felt by the American >Muslim communities throughout America," the statement noted. Chaudhry noted >that Muslim students at the University have also received unkind stares and >had "bad experiences." > >?We decided to hold [the rally] because we thought " [with] the current way >things are looking in America, some Muslims are getting a pretty bad wrap >and the media is only aggravating the situation," Chaudhry said. He noted, >"The American Muslims are indeed Americans," adding that he hopes the rally >will help educate students about Islam. > >Other organizations participating in the rally include the Douglass College >Government Association, Food Not Bombs, the New Brunswick People?s >Campaign, Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy, Central >Jersey Coalition for Peace, Sisterhood and Struggle and the Pakistani >Students Association. >-------------------------- >Story Source: The Daily Targum > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> >Governing body votes to support peace rally >By: Brendan Doohan > > >09/19/01 >-------------------------- > >Issues surrounding last Tuesday?s terrorist attack on the World Trade >Center dominated Tuesday night?s Douglass College Government Association >meeting in the New Jersey Commuter Lounge of the college center. The group >dealt with the GA?s role in today?s rally for peace and ways in which the >association can aid victims of the tragedy. > >The rally, sponsored by ISRU and the AMA, will be held today on the steps >of Brower Commons on the College Avenue campus, said Rizwan Chaudhry, a >University College senior and a member of the AMA, ISRU and the Pakistani >Student Association. Chaundhry said the rally is in response to the recent >attacks on certain Middle-Eastern and South Asian students. Rizwan asked >the GA to support the rally, the goal of which is to promote peace on >campus and support Muslim and South Asian-American students against >harassment that stems from anger over last > >Tuesday?s attacks. > >Initially, some GA members withheld support out of concern over potentially >misrepresenting the college community during this emotional time. But after >a period of debate, a majority of the members voted to support the rally >after its purpose was clarified. The GA members concluded that supporting >an event, regardless of its political stance, is permissible as long as the >general public is free to participate and express its opinions, Charlotte >Kates, GA treasurer and a senior, said. > >?We?re not one-sided on our issues. We do assess every aspect of the >situation,? Colleen Smith, a member of the 2004 class and head of the >Public Relations Committee, said. ?We aim to represent everyone of the >Douglass College community.? > >?By cosponsoring this event, the DCGA can show support and solidarity for >Rutgers organizations, including the Islamic communities,? Audrey Allred, >the external vice president and a senior, said. ?Any form of racial >oppression or bigotry is against the principle of free discussion.? > >In other business, the GA unanimously passed a resolution support the >September 11th Coalition - a campus group trying to organize support from >campus organizations in an effort to aid in the aftermath of the tragedy. >Rutgers College sophomore Gillis Cheng said the group plans to provide >donation jars, enable students at each dinning hall to sign away an >unprecedented maximum of two meals for those in need and provide students >with the opportunity to sign a pledge of tolerance. Cheng said the proceeds >will be donated to The September 11th Fund, established by United Way and >The New York Community Trust. > >Cheng called the efforts a ?chance for unity and solidarity with our >community.? >-------------------------- >Story Source: The Daily Targum > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
I find it astounding, and worse frightening, that despite what's happened since 9-11, & despite that even Chomsky has characterized this as :"the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right" that the Petty Bourg. left has resumed the same Petty Bickering as before & can't find to find grounds to Unite. Look- either we get it together, or, as Baraka aptly put it, "We're all out of here." This is not to say that we don't Struggle over lines, but if we practise being principled about it, we might get the hang of it. -Unite, Critisism, Unity (Transformation) Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:35:47 -0400 If one is as bent on one's pre-packaged world view, and as indifferent to the pursuit of truth as one cliff smith -- no doubt. But that is an indictment against you to begin with, and certainly no news to me. As far as I'm concerned, you're no less an agent of international finance capital or the military-industrial complex than 'they' are. -----Original Message----- From: cliff smith [mailto:cliffsmith69@...] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:31 PM To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack true or not, is easier to swallow, conspiracy-wise, than the farce that the wtc was demolished w/ boxcutters >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > >Matt, > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining >your >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much >less 'spread.' > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most >important is >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and >The Star. > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as >any >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better >than those you claim to oppose. > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > Previous Next | Close > >From : >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > >Subject : >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day >o f the Attack > >Date : >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc] > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the >Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, >the > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly >to > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue >behind > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again >without > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, >but > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary >officially > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested >five > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been >caught > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > >mockery. ======= > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which >also > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a > >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic >and > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get >your > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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Terrorist attacks transform
protest theme from
anti-globalization to anti-war
By DAVID HO
The Associated Press
9/20/01 3:10 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Demonstrators who planned to
protest the now-canceled meetings of the World Bank and
International Monetary Fund are still coming to the nation's
capital this month. Now their protests will be about war and
racism.
The global financial organizations called off this year's
annual meetings after last week's terrorist attacks. Groups
representing most of the expected protesters also
canceled their demonstrations, many citing a need to
respect victims of the attacks.
But the New York-based International Action Center and
other groups still intend to assemble thousands of
protesters across from the White House on Sept. 29.
"We are demonstrating because of the imminent danger of
a wider war, one that could result in the deaths of tens of
thousands or hundreds of thousands more people in
addition to the victims of the tragedy on Sept. 11," said
organizer Richard Becker.
He said the protesters also oppose the backlash against
Arabs and Muslims and the Bush administration's efforts to
expand police powers following the attack.
While Becker said the group has a permit for the rally and
march, it is uncertain whether increased security around
the White House will allow it to go forward.
Secret Service spokesman Jim Mackin said he had to
consult with the National Park Service before commenting.
The park service didn't immediately return calls seeking
comment.
District of Columbia Police Chief Charles Ramsey said he
has no problem with the protesters as long as they're
peaceful.
"But it remains to be seen how they would be welcomed if
they come to the city under the circumstances," Ramsey
said.
He said police would be watching for other demonstrators
who, angered by challenges to the appearance of
American unity, might clash with the anti-war protesters.
Police have blamed anarchists for much of the violence at
anti-globalization protests during the past few years. A
Washington-based anarchist group, the Anti-Capitalist
Convergence, has announced plans for a separate anti-war
march on Sept. 29.
Before the terrorist attacks, police had said they expected
as many as 100,000 protesters and wanted help from other
jurisdictions, including New York City. Ramsey said his
force, along with federal authorities, should be able to
handle the scaled-back demonstrations.
------
On the Net:
District of Columbia police: http://mpdc.dc.gov
International Action Center: http://www.iacenter.org
Anti-Capitalist Convergence:
http://www.abolishthebank.org/en/new--call.html
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material may
not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or
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Kris- I reread your response and it's very confusing to me...why would you
so forcefully admonish exploring all angles, searching all possibilities?
Where lies the truth? Fox5 owned by Murdock? Or Ch9 News, owned by Murdock?
or CH11 running CNN, originial War on Iraq propaganda machine? All the
liberal outlets, including PBS & NPR are running fast under the Far Right's
Wing & Marching to the War Drum. Charlie Rose interviewed a US Military
Officer last night, who was talking about CIA's "So-Called Human"
concerns.(!) Another guest labeled the attack "An Act of Genocide" against
the US (I almost fell out of my chair) These are the madmen running the show
from now on,(eg, the far-right) & rapidly leading the sheep to slaughter
("In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >
> to use force to control their domains" Noam Chomsky)
So every bit of information is worth reviewing. (BTW: Who shot Lincoln,
both Kennedy's, MLK, & MalcolmX? Lone gunmen? All other information & angles
"gross conspiracy theories"? ) So I'm not interested in the least about
meeting your "intelligence" standard. I send out information that I think is
worth looking at, & I haven't concluded anything other than the
Imperialist's Attack Theory is suspect at best & concure with Chomsky that
it's very convenient for Bush&Co.
It is tiring to reading your posts determining who is "no better than the
enemy". This isn't an intellectual excercise. We have to rise out of this
mode of pointing fingers at each other, but struggle over the best way to
move foward, & most importantly Unite the Left!! We'll soon see how that is
going to be more difficult than ever, under the new circumstances, but
there's no choice.
No More Sectarianism! (PB's Petty Bickering)
Left-Bloc Unity & Principled Struggle!
-Matthew
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the
Day o f the Attack
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400
Matt,
You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining your
intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its
intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much
less 'spread.'
Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a
Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the
civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and
social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most
important is
the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have
produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World
Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist
Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very
evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and
The Star.
http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18
Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether
it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more
to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as any
defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better
than those you claim to oppose.
Chris
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>BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000
>
>4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack
>
>Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the announcement
>of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international
>media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the
>incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers.
>Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and
>later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs
>the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being
>killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the
>Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day
>based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak,
the
>fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted
>to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it
>occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S
>authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further
>after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented
>Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly
to
>the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the
>Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the
>commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a
>negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue behind
>the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again
without
>giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having
>his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the
>organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position,
but
>his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary officially
>announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For
>its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested
five
>Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the
>smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had
>arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been caught
>videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and
>mockery. =======
>
>
>VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE ANYWHERE
>IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!!
>
>DEFINING APARTHEID
>
>Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and
>Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term
>"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of
>segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which also
>apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and
>maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This includes
>the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause
>physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a
>racial group from full development of their political, social, economic
and
>cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are
>doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA.
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impeach bush2, for his own protection. the all-in stakes imperial bluff has overextended its play. bush2's war speech names 60 nations to surrender soveriegnty, "or face the consequences." american suffering for the wtc victims does not yet translate to all-out frenzy for "the biggest engagement in us history." &especially since the war fiends show no proof of the enemy. (because the culprits is they.) come super bowl sunday, the flags will tuck into closets, and the fiends will be played out. or they must push further, like true junkies, to imperial overdose &the final nod. w/o 100% native support, 100% repression is required to work this global warfix. marines on the streetcorner type lockdown. prisoners thrown to the front line. no dissent. the wtc hit opened the door, but didn't make the nut. the fiends need something else, even more spectacular, to stage the "final solution". like some "independence day" whitehouse evaporation. fratboy bush2 (who has now expended his imperial use &is more a liability under pressure) is perfect mark for "sacrificial lamb" to galvanize the warmachine. former defense secretary cheney to command-in-chief, &c. like the towers' corporate officers, even hizzonor is expendable to the hawks. for his own safety, b2 must be impeached &spill the beans. we can guarantee a fair trial. else littlebush is over his head. 9/20/01 cliff smith student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy holla at me _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> >On the Bombings >by >Noam Chomsky > >The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >the >level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, >which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead >to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for >undermining >civil liberties and internal freedom. > >The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of "missile >defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch a >missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments >will >carry some weight among a frightened public. > >In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope to >use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely >US >actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this one, >or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to >be >before the latest atrocities. > >As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of >Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles >into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way through >refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >worse lies ahead. > > >Sabah M. Safi >Associate Professor of Linguistics >King Abdulaziz University >P.O. Box 15236 >Jeddah 21444 >Saudi Arabia > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Debate thrusts leadership,
experience and public safety
to fore in Va. gubernatorial
campaign
By BOB LEWIS
The Associated Press
9/21/01 8:37 PM
FALLS CHURCH, Va. (AP) -- Republican Mark Earley
sought to refocus the governor's race on public safety
issues Friday in the first debate since last week's
terrorist
attacks, citing his crime-fighting stint as Virginia's
attorney
general.
Democrat Mark Warner, a wealthy investor, stressed the
need for a knowledgeable business leader to guide the
state through what will likely be perilous economic times.
The debate provided a glimpse of themes politicians will be
sounding as campaigns across the country resume in the
wake of last week's terror attacks. It was held in a hotel
just 12 miles from where a hijacked jetliner slammed into
the Pentagon.
Earley, who served four years as attorney general and 10
as a state senator, also seized on the soaring popularity of
President Bush, a fellow Republican, saying the difficult
times ahead will require "a team of consistency."
Warner, who has never held elected office, also praised
Bush, but mostly stuck with the main themes of his
campaign before the attack.
"Now more than ever we must elect a governor who will
plan for the challenge of our future, a governor with the
leadership to assure the safety of our people, leadership to
build a strong economy (and) return fiscal accountability to
our state government," Warner said.
Earley also attacked Warner as an opponent of
Republican-backed parole abolition in the state and welfare
reform. Warner responded by accusing Earley of distorting
the facts, a reference to a brochure in which at least one
quote was altered to omit words critical to its meaning.
Gridlock on northern Virginia's roads remained the clearest
divide between the candidates.
Warner stood firm in his support for a referendum allowing
voters in the region to raise their taxes to generate up to
$900 million for transportation projects. Earley said he
remains solidly against it.
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Arab group schedules
Sunday conference with
candidates
By RALPH SIEGEL
The Associated Press
9/21/01 6:38 PM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The Arab American Institute is
going forward with a scheduled conference Sunday at the
Sheraton Hotel at Newark airport that had been set up
initially as a voter forum to spotlight the candidates for
governor.
The Sept. 11 terror attacks have dramatically altered the
focus and expected tone of the gathering, said the
conference coordinator, Abdallah Al-Zuabi. He said officials
in the Washington-based institute discussed canceling it
but concluded the meeting was all the more urgent and
topical.
"If there was a need to have this event prior to the Sept.
11
tragedy that hurt all of our country and was targeted toward
every American, we felt there was 20 times more need to
have it now," Al-Zuabi said.
"It was initially a campaign forum to talk about the issues
prior to this tragedy, but because of these developments
we have shifted it into a town meeting," Al-Zuabi said.
"Nobody is coming to be political."
Republican Bret Schundler and Democrat Jim McGreevey
are scheduled to attend, according to their campaigns,
along with an array of local candidates. Al-Zuabi said the
group invited Attorney General John Farmer at the last
minute to discuss the feared backlash against Arabs.
Farmer has agreed and will bring his chief deputy for civil
rights.
McGreevey spokesman Richard McGrath said the
Democrat would honor the invitation but was not yet
resuming a full campaign schedule. "That is not our event,"
he said. McGreevey was also scheduled to attend an
NAACP reception in Cherry Hill on Friday night.
Schundler, however, was scheduled to resume full-time
campaigning Saturday with events ranging from a speech
at the NAACP convention in Cherry Hill to a lobster bake
on Long Beach Island. Both candidates also planned to
attend the memorial ceremonies in Liberty State Park on
Sunday night.
McGrath said McGreevey believes it is too soon after the
Sept. 11 tragedy. "Politics as usual just isn't appropriate
at
this point," he said. "Jim McGreevey is a human being
before he is a political candidate and he has reacted to
this
in the same way all Americans have."
Schundler's spokesman, Bill Guhl, said, "I think everybody
has to make their own decision about what they feel is
appropriate."
Al-Zuabi said the Arab American Institute has thousands of
members in New Jersey and has been scheduling political
conferences in various states for decades. Last year they
sponsored 130 conferences during the presidential contest.
This is their second one in New Jersey, and Al-Zuabi
expects 300 or more to attend, most of them Arab
American members of the national group.
Al-Zuabi said they selected the Sheraton, which is on the
grounds of the airport, for its convenience to northern New
Jersey and not because he expects anyone to fly in for it.
He said it was booked in June.
Of the four airliners hijacked by suspected Muslim
extremists, one of them, United Airlines Flight 93, took off
from Newark airport. It crashed in rural western
Pennsylvania apparently after passengers tried to attack
their captors.
The Arab American Institute and its president, James
Zogby, has been prominent at rallies and in lobbying efforts
to push U.S. officials into discouraging anti-Arab
discrimination. At a rally outside the Capitol Wednesday,
Zogby said, "We're afraid as well of the punks and the
bigots, the guys who draw swastikas on synagogues one
day and torture a gay person the next day and go after an
African-American the next day, that they're turning on
us,too."
Al-Zuabi said Arab Americans are double victims, first
traumatized by the terror attack, like everyone else, and
now living in fear of unfair resentments, harassment or
worse. Fortunately, he said, things have been better than
had been feared for the institute's staff.
"The comforting thing about what was happening was that
for every one or three e-mails or letters or telephone calls
that came that were negative or bigoted or defamatory,
there were 10 or 20 of support," he said.
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http://www.mcgreevey2001.com
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Storm Outrage; An editorial piece. by Edwin Pagan, ProLibertad Media Committee In yesterday's New York Daily News [September 21, 2001] in the Big Town Chronicles section on page 63, there is an article entitled "Storm" by Jay Maeder, which recounts the 1975 bombing of Fraunces Tavern by the FALN. As soon as I saw the title and read the article, I got a gut-wrenching feeling that the Mortimer B. Zuckerman-led editorial staff, in a casual but calculated move, was trying to revive the backlash against the alleged perpetrators of this and other bombings. What struck me most is the timing of the piece given the current political climate and emotional state of the country. While many journalistic and entertainment outlets, including Hollywood, are rushing to remove any vestiges of anything that even resembles terrorism against the United States, the New York Daily News has squarely put this particular image back into the minds of New Yorkers 26-years after the fact. I can only hope that the article is seen merely as a historical footnote and not utilized as a vehicle for the venting of the current bottled anger. Especially against those who do not have anything to do with the current very tragic events now unfolding (like has been reported committed in Arab American communities). If indeed this publication does inspire any negative reactions against innocent Puerto Ricans (or other Latinos), let there be no mistake on whose shoulders the blame rests. Let's hope I am wrong! ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ PLEASE LET PEOPLE KNOW: Several political prisoners in the U.S. Federal Prison System have in the last few days, (since Sept. 11), been rounded up into isolation units. (SHU: security Housing Units) These political prisoners include Marilyn Buck, Sundiata Acoli, and Carlos Alberto Torres. Marilyn for instance, is not receiving mail, not able to make phone calls, and perhaps most disturbingly-- cannot communicate with her lawyers. We've been asking the lawyers if this is legal - they think the prisoners are not supposed to lose their right to counsel no matter what the circumstances.. Abrogating the right to council erases a fundamental civil right. No one in the Bureau of Prisons will say how long this punishment and suspension of civil rights for political prisoners will go on. We DO want people to know this is happening.. Do spread the word in the political community and to the media about this example of stripping away of our basic rights in the name of fighting terrorism. Further information and an action alert will come in the next few days. Given the current political climate, we are researching and trying to find out what we can do to denounce this atrocity. Please stay in contact. FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
yawn
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] No investigation, no right to speak
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:43:26
>
>Kris- I reread your response and it's very confusing to me...why would you
>so forcefully admonish exploring all angles, searching all possibilities?
>Where lies the truth? Fox5 owned by Murdock? Or Ch9 News, owned by
>Murdock?
>or CH11 running CNN, originial War on Iraq propaganda machine? All the
>liberal outlets, including PBS & NPR are running fast under the Far Right's
>Wing & Marching to the War Drum. Charlie Rose interviewed a US Military
>Officer last night, who was talking about CIA's "So-Called Human"
>concerns.(!) Another guest labeled the attack "An Act of Genocide" against
>the US (I almost fell out of my chair) These are the madmen running the
>show
>from now on,(eg, the far-right) & rapidly leading the sheep to slaughter
>("In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope
> >
> > to use force to control their domains" Noam Chomsky)
>
>So every bit of information is worth reviewing. (BTW: Who shot Lincoln,
>both Kennedy's, MLK, & MalcolmX? Lone gunmen? All other information &
>angles
>"gross conspiracy theories"? ) So I'm not interested in the least about
>meeting your "intelligence" standard. I send out information that I think
>is
>worth looking at, & I haven't concluded anything other than the
>Imperialist's Attack Theory is suspect at best & concure with Chomsky that
>it's very convenient for Bush&Co.
>
>It is tiring to reading your posts determining who is "no better than the
>enemy". This isn't an intellectual excercise. We have to rise out of this
>mode of pointing fingers at each other, but struggle over the best way to
>move foward, & most importantly Unite the Left!! We'll soon see how that
>is
>going to be more difficult than ever, under the new circumstances, but
>there's no choice.
>
>No More Sectarianism! (PB's Petty Bickering)
>Left-Bloc Unity & Principled Struggle!
>
>-Matthew
>
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the
>Day o f the Attack
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400
>
>Matt,
>
>You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining
>your
>intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its
>intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, much
>less 'spread.'
>
>Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a
>Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance the
>civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural and
>social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most
>important is
>the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they have
>produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and World
>Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist
>Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very
>evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer and
>The Star.
>
>http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18
>
>Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, whether
>it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do more
>to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as
>any
>defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better
>than those you claim to oppose.
>
>Chris
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com;
>njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the
>Day o f the Attack
>
>
>
>READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD
>
>
>
> >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli
> >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001
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>From :
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>
>Subject :
>Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day
>o f the Attack
>
>Date :
>Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000
>
>
> >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ISLAMirc]
> >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the
>Attack
> >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000
> >
> >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack
> >
> >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the
>announcement
> >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international
> >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the
> >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers.
> >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and
> >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs
> >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being
> >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to
>the
> >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that
>day
> >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak,
>the
> >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who
>wanted
> >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it
> >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S
> >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further
> >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak
>prevented
> >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly
>to
> >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the
> >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the
> >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a
> >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue
>behind
> >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again
>without
> >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having
> >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the
> >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position,
>but
> >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary
>officially
> >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For
> >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested
>five
> >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming
>the
> >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had
> >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been
>caught
> >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and
> >mockery. =======
> >
> >
> >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE
>ANYWHERE
> >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!!
> >
> >DEFINING APARTHEID
> >
> >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and
> >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term
> >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of
> >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which
>also
> >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment and
> >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This
>includes
> >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause
> >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing a
> >racial group from full development of their political, social, economic
>and
> >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists are
> >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA.
> >
> >
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forget the armchairs, win the people! joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Smash Sectarianism! >Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:49:47 > >I find it astounding, and worse frightening, that despite what's happened >since 9-11, & despite that even Chomsky has characterized this as :"the >crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right" that the Petty Bourg. left has >resumed the same Petty Bickering as before & can't find to find grounds to >Unite. Look- either we get it together, or, as Baraka aptly put it, "We're >all out of here." This is not to say that we don't Struggle over lines, >but >if we practise being principled about it, we might get the hang of it. > >-Unite, Critisism, Unity (Transformation) >Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day o f the Attack >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:35:47 -0400 > >If one is as bent on one's pre-packaged world view, and as indifferent to >the pursuit of truth as one cliff smith -- no doubt. But that is an >indictment against you to begin with, and certainly no news to me. > >As far as I'm concerned, you're no less an agent of international finance >capital or the military-industrial complex than 'they' are. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: cliff smith [mailto:cliffsmith69@...] >Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 10:31 PM >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent >the Day o f the Attack > > >true or not, >is easier to swallow, conspiracy-wise, >than the farce that >the wtc was demolished >w/ boxcutters > > > >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> > >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent >the > >Day o f the Attack > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 22:04:23 -0400 > > > >Matt, > > > >You're spreading gross conspiracy theories and considerably undermining > >your > >intelligence in the eye of this list -- or else trying to insult its > >intelligence by assuming that this sort of nonsense would be accepted, >much > >less 'spread.' > > > >Al-Manar Television, the disseminator of this so-called 'news', is "a > >Lebanese TV station, aims to preserve the Islamic values and to enhance >the > >civilized role of the Arab and Islamic Community. Political, cultural >and > >social affairs are of special importance o the station's programs. Most > >important is > >the struggle against Zionism/racism." In the past several days, they >have > >produced other reporting gems -- "Did Israel Attack the Pentagon and >World > >Trade Center?" -- "U.S. Military Could Be Behind The Sept. 11 Terrorist > >Attacks" -- and other, possibly a bit less surreal, but nonetheless very > >evidently biased and juicy bits which would easily shame The Enquirer >and > >The Star. > > > >http://paknews.com/flash.php?id=27&date1=2001-09-18 > > > >Your posts could be viewed from my perspective only as provocation, >whether > >it is due to your own naivete or some other unfortunate force, you do >more > >to harm the cause of those who wish to see violence abate than appear as > >any > >defender thereof. Maybe your angst runs so far as to make you no better > >than those you claim to oppose. > > > >Chris > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:25 AM > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; poprogress@yahoogroups.com; > >njfo@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the > >Day o f the Attack > > > > > > > >READ THIS AND SPREAD THE WORD > > > > > > > > >From: "Nurfette !" Subject: Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 >Israeli > > >Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the Attack Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 > > >14:59:56 +0000 > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >- > >---- > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. > > > > Previous Next | Close > > > >From : > >"Nurfette !" <nurfette@...> > > > >Subject : > >Fwd: [ISLAMirc] BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the >Day > >o f the Attack > > > >Date : > >Tue, 18 Sep 2001 14:59:56 +0000 > > > > > > >From: "Khalid S. Khan" To: islamirc@yahoogroups.com Subject: >[ISLAMirc] > > >BREAKING NEWS: 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day o f the > >Attack > > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:02:36 +0000 > > > > > >4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack > > > > > >Manar TV - Sept 17, 2001 < http://www.manartv.com/> With the >announcement > > >of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the >international > > >media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the > > >incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two >towers. > > >Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and > > >later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their >jobs > > >the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being > > >killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to >the > > >Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that >day > > >based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the >Shabak, > >the > > >fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who >wanted > > >to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before >it > > >occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S > > >authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased >further > > >after Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot revealed that the Shabak >prevented > > >Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and >particularly > >to > > >the citys eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the > > >Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the > > >commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a > > >negative conclusion, saying no answer. He then asked about the clue > >behind > > >the Shabaks position in preventing Sharons participation, and again > >without > > >giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for >having > > >his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the > > >organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its >position, > >but > > >his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharons secretary > >officially > > >announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. >For > > >its part, the Israeli Haaretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested > >five > > >Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming >the > > >smoking skyline from the roof of their companys building. The FBI had > > >arrested the five for puzzling behavior. They are said to have been > >caught > > >videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and > > >mockery. ======= > > > > > > > > >VISIT: < HTTP://WWW.MEDIAMONITORS.NET > WE AFFIRM THAT INJUSTICE >ANYWHERE > > >IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE!!!! > > > > > >DEFINING APARTHEID > > > > > >Article 2 of the "International Convention of the Suppression and > > >Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid" of 1973 clearly defined the term > > >"crime of apartheid." This includes similar policies and practices of > > >segregation and discrimination as practiced in South Africa and which > >also > > >apply to inhuman acts committed for the purpose of the establishment >and > > >maintaining of domination by one racial group over another. This >includes > > >the deliberated imposition of living conditions calculated to cause > > >physical destruction and any legislative or other measures preventing >a > > >racial group from full development of their political, social, >economic > >and > > >cultural life. This is an accurate description of what the zionists >are > > >doing to the Palestinian people with the full support of the USA. > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ Get > >your > > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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Investigators give few clues why they
believe it's bin Laden; intelligence
agencies prepare evidence report
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN
The Associated Press
9/22/01 3:36 AM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. intelligence agencies are
collaborating on a
report to detail evidence linking Osama bin Laden to
last week's terror
attacks, a U.S. official said. So far, the Bush
administration has offered
little public information that points to his
involvement.
It is unclear whether the report will be made public.
White House officials
said Friday they eventually will outline to the
American people the case
against bin Laden to justify military or other U.S.
action.
To date, an intercepted telephone call, one hijacker's
apparent name and
bin Laden's own declarations and history constitute the
only public
evidence linking the exiled Saudi multimillionaire to
the attacks.
U.S. officials say more evidence exists, but they won't
say what it is
because of the continuing FBI investigation. One
official, speaking on
condition of anonymity, said Friday such material will
be included in the
intelligence report in preparation.
Intelligence officials fear that going public with
evidence might
compromise their sources of information. Members of
Congress privy to
secret briefings seem equally convinced of bin Laden's
involvement.
Officials also say they are investigating all
possibilities, including that
other terrorist organizations or countries had a hand
in the attacks.
Bin Laden is hiding in Afghanistan. The Taliban
militia, the ruling power in
the southwest Asian country, has refused to turn him
over to the United
States and demanded the U.S. government make its case.
The most direct evidence of bin Laden's association was
provided by
Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, last week.
Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade
Center and the
Pentagon, U.S. intelligence intercepted a phone call
between two known
associates of bin Laden, in which they said they had
struck two targets in
the United States, Hatch said.
Authorities also have connected the name of one of the
19 suspected
hijackers to bin Laden.
In August, Khalid al-Midhar was placed on a watch list
after U.S.
intelligence agencies received information that a man
with that name had
been seen meeting with associates of bin Laden in
Malaysia, officials
have said.
It's not known if the same man perished on the American
Airlines jet that
crashed into the Pentagon. The hijacker known as
al-Midhar may have
been using a false name, officials have said.
The rest of the revealed evidence that seemingly ties
bin Laden to the
attack is circumstantial at best.
Bin Laden himself reportedly rejoiced after the
successful attacks but
denied involvement.
He has the wealth and organization to pull it off, U.S.
officials said. His
groups are known for meticulous planning of attacks.
He's also believed to have conducted simultaneous
attacks at multiple
locations before -- when the U.S. embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania were
bombed in 1998. He has been linked to the first Trade
Center bombing in
1993 and last year's attack on the USS Cole.
Bin Laden has declared war on the United States,
threatened to conduct
major attacks on U.S. soil and said all Americans are
targets. His prime
grievance appears to be that U.S. troops are in his
native Saudi Arabia,
which he consider desecration of sacred soil.
Since the attacks, the U.S. government has been using
increasingly
strong language to describe bin Laden.
Within hours, U.S. officials identified him as a
suspect in organizing the
attacks. Two days later, Secretary of State Colin
Powell called him the
"prime suspect."
Monday, President Bush said bin Laden was "Wanted, dead
or alive."
Steven Aftergood, head of the Project on Government
Secrecy for the
Washington-based Federation of American Scientists,
asked the
government to provide at least a minimal explanation
for its statements.
"We have yet to hear a clear statement of bin Laden's
responsibility for
the Sept. 11 attacks," Aftergood said. "What we have
heard is innuendo
and vague talk of links of an unspecified nature. That
is a very fragile
foundation for an extended military campaign."
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Greek soccer fans jeered, tried to burn
U.S. flag during minute's silence for
terror attack victims
The Associated Press
9/22/01 2:23 PM
EDINBURGH, Scotland (AP) -- Fans of a Greek soccer club
tried to burn
the American flag and jeered during a pre-game tribute
in Athens in
honor of the victims of last week's terrorist attacks,
witnesses said.
A minute's silence was held before all 77 European
soccer games played
this week. But some AEK Athens fans jeered Thursday,
soccer coach
Alex McLeish of the Scottish club Hibernian said.
"When I first heard all the shouting and jeering, I
thought it was their way
of doing the minute's silence. Then I was told by
someone who said:
`Look, they're burning the American flag,"' he said
Saturday upon
returning to Scotland.
"I could not believe such anti-American feeling in a
European country."
Several hundred fans booed and jeered during the
minute's silence
before the UEFA Cup game, some chanting "Americans,
killers,"
according to Greek reports.
One group set fire to an Israeli flag, and others tried
to burn an American
flag but couldn't get it to light.
Greek officials could not be reached for comment.
"What went on in Athens disgusted me," McLeish said.
"With what
happened last week, innocent people of all
nationalities in America,
anyone would show respect."
"What badly disappointed me was that there was no
effort made by
anyone, the police included, to do anything about it.
"It is so disappointing that people do not have respect
for human life -- no
matter what creed, color or nationality," McLeish said.
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Fidel Castro says Cuba opposes
terrorism, war
By ANITA SNOW
The Associated Press
9/22/01 2:06 PM
HAVANA (AP) -- Warning that large-scale U.S. military
attacks against
Afghanistan's ruling Taliban could have catastrophic
consequences,
Cuban leader Fidel Castro on Saturday declared his
opposition to the
gathering war as much as the terrorist acts that
precipitated it.
Reiterating Cuba's "willingness to cooperate with every
country in total
eradication of terrorism," Castro repeated his
solidarity with the American
people after the Sept. 11 attacks in the United States.
"Cuba is opposed to terrorism and is opposed to war,"
the 75-year-old
Castro told tens of thousands of cheering people at a
government rally
Saturday outside Havana.
He called the attacks an "atrocious and insane
terrorist act," but insisted
that "the tragedy should not be used to recklessly
start a war that could
unleash an endless carnage of innocent people."
Castro clearly took exception to parts of President
Bush's Thursday night
speech roughly outlining his retaliation plan to the
American people and
the world.
Bush's plan is for "a world military dictatorship under
the exclusive rule of
force, irrespective of any international laws or
institutions," Castro said.
"There would be only one boss, only one judge, and only
one law," he
said.
A vocal advocate of individual nations' sovereignty,
Castro found
troubling Bush's declaration: "Either you are with us,
or you are with the
terrorists."
"No nation of the world has been left out of the
dilemma, not even the big
and powerful states; none has escaped the threat of war
or attacks," said
Castro. "We have all been ordered to ally either with
the United States
government or with terrorism," he added.
As for Bush's declaration that any weapon could be
used, Castro said:
"No procedure has been excluded, regardless of its
ethics, nor any threat
no matter how fatal -- whether it be nuclear, chemical,
biological or any
other."
The Cuban leader also expressed concerns about how
extensive such a
war would be and how long it would last.
Castro said the American president made "an amazing
assertion"
Thursday night when he said that "the course of this
conflict is not known;
yet its outcome is certain. And we know that God is not
neutral."
"When I think about the real or imagined parties
involved in that bizarre
holy war that is about to begin, I find it difficult to
make a distinction about
where the fanaticism is stronger."
Washington and Havana have not have diplomatic
relations for four
decades, but Castro insisted "Cuba will never be used
for terrorist actions
against the American people and we will do everything
within our reach to
prevent such actions against that people."
Both Washington and Havana confirmed this week that
U.S. officials
approached Cuba about providing information about
terrorism following
the attacks.
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges all people to forward this far and wide. ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 Vieques Bombing Exercises to Begin SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) - The U.S. Navy has notified the Puerto Rican government that it plans to resume bombing exercises on the island of Vieques as early as Monday, an official said. Vieques Commissioner Juan Fernandez said on� Tuesday that the Navy's top official in Puerto Rico, Rear Adm. Kevin Green, sent him a letter asking him to be present on Vieques for the first day of maneuvers Monday. Fernandez monitors the bombing for the Puerto Rican government from an observation post overlooking the firing range. The Navy had previously notified the Puerto Rican government of its plans. But there had been uncertainty about whether the exercises would go forward as planned after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites) last week. The exercises could last as long as 23 days, Fernandez said. Opposition to Navy training on the Puerto Rican island surged after a civilian security guard was killed on the Vieques range by off-target bombs in 1999. Protesters argue that the bombing causes environmental and health problems on the island of 9,100 people - charges the Navy denies. The Navy has used inert bombs since the accident. Well-known figures previously arrested for trespassing in Vieques protests include civil rights leader the Rev. Al Sharpton, actor Edward James Olmos and environmental lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: siddharta5@... To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] WFMU 91.1 to broadcast Democracy Now! live Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 02:11:46 -0000 New Jersey-based WFMU 91.1 FM will begin broadcasting Democracy Now! live on October 1st. WFMU covers parts of NY City and large swaths of New Jersey, as well portions of the Hudson Valley, Catskills and eastern Pennsylvania. It would appear that more than 50% of the WBAI listening audience can tune in to WFMU. When it becomes appropriate to resume our CF sidewalk leafletting in NY City, I will propose that we advertise WFMU's broadcasting of DN! on our flyer. Mr. Daughtry, welcome to the competition of the marketplace. Paul Surovell ---- To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating with
Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were wrong.
Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
>
> September 19, 2001
>
> THE POP LIFE
>
> After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
>
> By NEIL STRAUSS
>
> Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns about
> 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150 songs
> and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the attacks
> on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
>
> Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as the
> Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up the
> Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> tragedies.
>
> These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by the
> Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge Over
> Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat Stevens
> and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
>
> The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary. Many
> stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
>
> Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But 'I
> can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true in
> crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> and could only be helpful right now."
>
> A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> directors."
>
> Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> list of questionable songs was originally generated by the corporate
> office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued
> to grow.
>
> Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to station.
> Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM)
> in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs, "Jumper"
> by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On the
> other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs on
> the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even though
> they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that
> had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
>
> In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of national
> safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts, which
> could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case the
> interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> enemy in words or song.
>
> The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health, though
> First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear Channel
> said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously songs
> on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael Stark, a
> freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on the
> ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used to
> heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
>
> In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are mentioned
> for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock group
> Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
>
> Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind of
> horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred in
> the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> terms."
>
> "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is that
> they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that breeds
> intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead to
> the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
>
> Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this was
> just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict access
> to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President Bush
> said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this could
> potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed from
> the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs about
> flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove all
> the songs about trains and whatever else?"
>
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the greens are planning a conference and march today in New Brunswick.
they plan to march from the labor education building to the fountain,
assholes.
dump coleman! Defeat Schundler!
vote mcgreevy
joe
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com,
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, onepeoplescoalition@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [njfo] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
>Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 05:38:17
>
>It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating with
>Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were wrong.
>Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
>
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
> >
> > September 19, 2001
> >
> > THE POP LIFE
> >
> > After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
> >
> > By NEIL STRAUSS
> >
> > Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns about
> > 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150 songs
> > and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the attacks
> > on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> >
> > Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as the
> > Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up the
> > Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> > less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> > tragedies.
> >
> > These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by the
> > Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> > songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> > Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> > Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> > could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge Over
> > Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat Stevens
> > and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
> >
> > The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> > than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary. Many
> > stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> > disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
> >
> > Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> > suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> > someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> > after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But 'I
> > can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true in
> > crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> > and could only be helpful right now."
> >
> > A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> > mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> > said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> > grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> > directors."
> >
> > Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> > anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> > list of questionable songs was originally generated by the corporate
> > office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> > suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued
> > to grow.
> >
> > Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to station.
> > Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM)
> > in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> > songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs, "Jumper"
> > by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On the
> > other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> > personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs on
> > the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> > happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> > meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even though
> > they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> > collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that
> > had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
> >
> > In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> > wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of national
> > safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts, which
> > could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> > man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case the
> > interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> > enemy in words or song.
> >
> > The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> > safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health, though
> > First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> > blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> > terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear Channel
> > said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously songs
> > on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael Stark, a
> > freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on the
> > ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used to
> > heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> > they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
> >
> > In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are mentioned
> > for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock group
> > Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> > "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
> >
> > Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> > e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind of
> > horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred in
> > the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> > terms."
> >
> > "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is that
> > they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that breeds
> > intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> > extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead to
> > the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
> >
> > Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> > Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this was
> > just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> > politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict access
> > to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President Bush
> > said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this could
> > potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed from
> > the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs about
> > flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove all
> > the songs about trains and whatever else?"
> >
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Revealed: British plan for Afghan onslaught • Bin Laden 'hiding in terror camp' • Allied warships steam to Gulf • Spy plane downed Kamal Ahmed in London, Peter Beaumont in Washington and Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday September 23, 2001 <A HREF="http://www.observer.co.uk/">The Observer</A> BRITISH troops will lead an international coalition alongside America to wage war on Afghanistan in the next 10 days as security and intelligence sources indicated last night that the net was tightening on Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect behind the terrorist attacks on America. With an attack now imminent and American warplanes arriving in neighbouring Uzbekistan ahead of the first wave of strikes, security sources in Britain and America said that they were now concentrating their investigation into bin Laden and the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation in the north and west of Afghanistan. Five terrorist camps around Jalalabad will be the focus of the military campaign, which Ministry of Defence officials last night revealed was now in the 'final stages' of planning. Sources said that any action by ground troops would be preceded by bombing in the terrorist camps' region. There were unconfirmed reports last night that Special Air Service (SAS) troops were already in northern Afghanistan, working with the anti-Taliban alliance that controls the area. With America now on a war footing and Britain emerging as its most potent war partner, 13 British warships travelled through the Suez canal yesterday and steamed for the Gulf . In the largest military mobilisation since the Gulf War 10 years ago, the White House also revealed that a third aircraft carrier, B-52 bombers and warships capable of launching ground-attack Tomahawk cruise missiles had moved into the area to prepare for attack. Yesterday Bush chaired a National Security Council meeting to complete plans for military action, which could come as early as Thursday. Later today the President will join advisers from the special operations arm of the US Marines at the presidential retreat at Camp David. It is believed that the coalition force will be led by America with military support and troops from specialist units in Britain and France. Russia will provide logistical support. Tony Blair is on the verge of signing the order agreeing to the use of British troops. Britain and America now believe that bin Laden is still in Afghanistan, contrary to reports that he had fled to China or Chechnya. 'Bin Laden is in Afghanistan,' the Prime Minister's official spokesman said. 'We know he is there, put it that way.' His words reflected those of Colin Powell, the US secretary of state and key military planner in the White House, who said that there was a 'presumption' that the man who has become a hate figure for many in the West was still in the country. Although British officials said that the ultimatum to the Taliban authorities that bin Laden must be expelled from Afghanistan was 'open ended', it was made clear that with winter approaching military action needed to be rapid. It is believed that bin Laden is hiding in a network of camps in the north-west of Afghanistan. The camps at Darunta, Bhesud, Jaji-Maydan, Khost and Tani are well known to the CIA and could be bombed from the air. Senior Whitehall sources said that military programmes could only be put in place when 'the outcome was clear', a reference to Bill Clinton's policy of bombing Afghan camps with cruise missiles in 1998 - which failed to capture or kill bin Laden. Downing Street said that any action would now take a 'twin track' approach, with the first phase concentrating on finding bin Laden and breaking down the al-Qaeda organisation, and the second phase concentrating on the fight against world terrorism. In a clear indication that the Government is planning to put Britain onto a war footing, Downing Street has sent a request to all departments asking them to draw up legislation in case of 'national emergency'. Plans are being prepared in the areas of extradition, anti-terrorism legislation and crime to allow the Government to act more swiftly against people suspected of being linked to terrorist organisations. The move reflects similar action taken during the Gulf War when internment powers were used to imprison up to 100 Iraqis and Palestinians. Many later successfully sued the Government for wrongful imprisonment. The disclosure of the allied plans for war came as tensions in the region heightened dramatically yesterday. Despite earlier contradictory statements, officials from Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said they had established that their forces had downed a pilotless drone aircraft over Tashkurghan with machinegun fire as well as a helicopter near Dara-i-Suf. Both areas are in Samangan, about 150 miles north-west of Kabul, where the anti-Taliban commander General Rashid Dostum reported that his force of minority Uzbek fighters had made advances against the Taliban. Mystery surrounded the origin of the spy plane. A spokesman for Afghanistan's opposition Northern Alliance confirmed the helicopter crash, but blamed it on a mechanical fault. 'The helicopter seems to have gone down because of technical reasons,' the spokesman, Mohamed Ashraf Nadeem, said, adding that the fate of those on board was unknown. The Taliban's ambassador in Islamabad, Mullah Abdul Saleem Zaeef, said the spyplane had been downed while taking pictures over northern Afghanistan. Washington frequently uses 'drones' to fly spy missions over Iraq, but the aircraft do not generally have defensive capabilities and make up the majority of planes shot down by Baghdad since the Gulf War. A Pentagon spokesman in Washington would not comment on the report. With America determined to press ahead with military action after more than 6,800 people were killed in twin attacks on New York and Washington, Blair's aides signalled that Britain would stand firmly behind Washington. His resolve will be bolstered by a poll in today's Observer that shows 65 per cent of Britons support surgical air strikes against countries harbouring terrorists, and 63 per cent of voters believe that Britain is 'at war' already against terrorists. Blair is likely to recall Parliament in an effort to keep the broad political coalition between the main political parties that has so far backed his stance. There is increasing concern in government quarters that a left-wing backlash against any military action could damage Blair's standing. He is said to be furious that Clare Short, the Cabinet Minister and Secretary of State for International Development, has spoken out against the militaristic language used since the atrocity. She criticised Bush's use of the word 'crusade' as ' very unfortunate' and said that America was using 'lots of planes and guns to make everybody do their bidding'. Blair was briefed by key security and intelligence officials for an hour as he travelled to New York and Washington last week, increasing speculation that military action was days away. One of the officials was thought to be General Tom Piggott, head of operational advice at the MoD. Blair was also accompanied by Sir David Manning, a Foreign Office adviser. An administration official in America said that the President would soon sign an executive order naming terrorist organisations and specific terrorists around the world and freezing their US assets. Oxfam said yesterday that Afghanistan was facing a humanitarian crisis as refugees fled south and north to try to escape any military attacks. The charity had ordered a 15,000 tonne emergency shipment of food to Uzbekistan and was trying to move emergency food into Afghanistan, where millions of people are threatened with starvation. 'Afghanistan hasn't been totally shut off. Why is the world waiting? There is no need to wait. Aid can be got in now,' said Alex Renton, an Oxfam spokesman. The intensive build-up for war came barely 24 hours after Afghanistan's ruling Islamic council of clerics said that they had asked bin Laden to leave the country voluntarily, although they insisted that they would not hand him over to the US authorities. America yesterday faced its most serious difficulty in building a coalition to date: envoys from Saudi Arabia - a crucial ally in the Gulf War of 10 years ago - told the State Department that the kingdom would resist granting the US use of its crucial Prince Sultan air base, which the Pentagon was planning to use as a command centre. Even hesitation on the Saudis' part towards the campaign would entrench divisions in Washington, and strengthen the hand of those wanting to get on with the war rather than wait to build a consensus alliance. The Saudi monarchy is - like Pakistan - also extremely concerned about the domestic threat from its Islamic fundamentalists, who have been offended by the kingdom's alliance with the US. The US Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, yesterday argued that the US should make immediate plans to shift its command centre to Turkey. Rumsfeld and the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, spent the weekend in Washington working on details of the deployment. 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Ceasefire in jeopardy as Israel cancels peace talks Staff and agencies Sunday September 23, 2001 The ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians, along with America's attempts to build support for military action among Middle Eastern states, suffered another setback today as Israel cancelled a meeting between its foreign minister, Shimon Peres, and the Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. According to cabinet secretary Gideon Saar, the.Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, ordered the talks to be cancelled because of concerns that Palestinian violence had not abated and that "the meeting would give legitimacy to certain types of terror." The arrest and subsequent release by the Palestinians of Atef Abayyat, a leader of the Tanzim militia that claimed responsibility for a drive-by killing on Thursday, is a key sticking point.The office of Mr Peres, who reportedly did not attend a cabinet meeting today in protest at the president's decision, would not comment. Israeli media said he was considering pulling his moderate Labour party out of Mr Sharon's unity government.One Palestinian cabinet member described the decision as "irresponsible," but others insisted the meeting, scheduled for 5pm today, would go ahead nonetheless. They did not elaborate.Mr Arafat pledged last week that the Palestinian authority would cease attacks on Israel. But Mr Saar said the violence was continuing, albeit "at a reduced level." The Israeli military has reported dozens of attacks in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in the last two days, most against military installations and none causing casualties. Palestinians also fired several mortar shells at Jewish settlements in Gaza. Israeli tanks moved toward the Palestinian town of Dir al-Balah and fired shells in response.Hardliners in the Israeli cabinet want a total cessation of violence and the re-arrest of Abayyat before talks take place. They say a Peres-Arafat meeting would provide Mr Arafat with a stamp of approval to join the US-led anti-terror coalition, even though Mr Sharon has branded Mr Arafat himself a terrorist.Since the terrorist attacks on September 11, the US has intensified pressure on both sides to maintain a ceasefire. The US secretary of state, Colin Powell, has been in frequent telephone contact with both Mr Sharon and Mr Arafat to urge them to establish a truce.Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said today's aborted meeting was necessary to start the process of winding down the violence. "What we need at the end of day is a series of steps that will include ending the closure," he said, referring to Israeli roadblocks and restrictions that have crippled the Palestinian economy during the fighting. The Israelis have said the restrictions are necessary to keep Palestinian attackers away from Israelis. ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! <A HREF="http://www.worldxchange.com/agent/default.asp?agid=218396">WorldxChange Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page</A> FREE Download! Superior Marketing Tools & Tactics V1.7 <A HREF="http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html">http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html</A> Get a FREE Vacation! Select from 26 fabulous resort destinations! <A HREF="http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Vacation.jsp/pages/8584509.html">Free Vacation!</A> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Dave- Anti-Imperialist Revolutionaries must not sell people short at this time- what is needed first and formost is a broad mass united front against war abroad & the rise of fascism within the united states. (see Dimitrov) Revolutionaries must unite against imperialism, but this is not a mass rallying cry!! (Unless one wishes to proceed without the people!) Underlying all of this, of course, is the latent debate that, in fact, Nov 2000 has ushered in a new era of American Fascism (with a little help from their "friends") that was just waiting for a pretext to advance their agenda, (WTC=Reichstag?) which as you correctly point out, "It's the economy, stupid" - OIL. In Unity & Struggle, Matthew Smith ----Original Message Follows---- From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [onepeoplesproject] War for oil continues Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:09:07 -0400 From the forthcoming (October) issue of For a Better World: = = = = = = = = = = War for oil continues The 1991 attack on Iraq was a war for oil. The new "war against terror" is no such thing. It is the continuation of the war for oil, which never stopped. In February of 1990 Saddam Hussein told the Arab Cooperation Council, which consisted of Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia that, "if the Gulf people, along with all Arabs, are not careful, the Arab Gulf region will be governed by the United States' will." Instead he proposed, "Agreement should be reached over clear and widespread pan-Arab cooperation programs among Arab countries in the economic, political, and educational fields." (Orbis, Winter, 1991.) In other words, Saddam proposed Arab unity and independence from imperialism (his word for U.S. policy.) His reward was the attack by George I Bush. Nonetheless, George I fell and Saddam remains to this day. In his September 21 speech to Congress George II Bush said Americans are asking, "Who attacked our country?" The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as Al Qaeda. . . Al Qaeda is to terror what the Mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere . . . There is a huge lie here. Every war, without exception, is based on economic causes. Bush would have us believe there is no economic root to Al Qaeda's motives. This is ridiculous. He went on They hate what they see right here in this chamber, a democratically elected government. He refers to his own dictatorially appointed regime as "democratically elected." This is even more ridiculous! He then gets to the real heart of it: They [Al Qaeda] want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East . . . . With every atrocity they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us because we stand in their way. Ah-hah! Bush mentions the allies in the Middle East through which U.S. imperialism dominates the Persian Gulf and its vast oil reserves. Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are the very countries to which Saddam made his fateful proposals in 1990. Bush is afraid these regimes, like Iran in 1997, will be overthrown by forces like those in Al Qaeda and turned from U.S. allies into opponents. U.S. imperialism would then lose its domination of the Gulf. The war for oil has now struck in the U.S. itself. It will never end until imperialism is defeated and driven out of the Middle East. The only way this terrible war will ever end is through people's unity against imperialism. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Government's welfare chief promotes
marriage as way to move families out of
poverty
By LAURA MECKLER
The Associated Press
9/23/01 1:14 PM
"...Horn is still unabashedly pro-marriage. The landmark 1996 welfare law
must be renewed next year, and the Bush administration is formulating its
position on how it should be changed, he said. But Horn has personally
detailed a number of ways that Congress might prod states, which have done
virtually nothing to promote marriage in their welfare programs.
Congress should make it clear that states are supposed
to be encouraging marriage, not just two-parent families, he said in an
article this summer. Also, he said, government should pay for premarital
education classes for low-income people considering marriage.
Horn also supports financial incentives, such as West
Virginia's $100 monthly bonus for welfare parents who are married. He is
also open to more radical ideas; for example, identifying young women who
are at risk of getting pregnant and promising them $5,000 if they have their
first child after marriage.
He also takes a conservative line on sex education,
supporting abstinence-only education, which bars talk of contraception..."
************************
Government's welfare chief promotes
marriage as way to move families out of
poverty
By LAURA MECKLER
The Associated Press
9/23/01 1:14 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Wade Horn, the nation's new welfare
chief, believes a ring, a walk down the aisle and a promise to love, honor
and cherish may be the key to moving families out of poverty.
Horn, an academic who says he relies on results, not
theory, admits he has no evidence that government can do anything to
persuade poor people to get married.
Still, he is using his new post at the Health and Human
Services Department to amplify the voices of conservatives who believe
marriage should be a bigger piece of welfare reform. He also is preaching
the virtues of sexual abstinence, saying unmarried people should not be
having sex.
"I think it's the healthiest choice, yes I do," said
Horn, recently confirmed as assistant secretary for family support.
But Horn, whose agency is responsible for welfare, Head
Start, child care, child abuse, foster care and adoption, is not a
cookie-cutter conservative.
He says the success of welfare should be measured by
the effect on children, not by the number of people who have left welfare.
He volunteers that some people who have left welfare appear worse off than
they were. He says the welfare system should find a way to help people move
up the economic ladder by advancing to better jobs.
"I don't think we as a nation ought to be satisfied
with simply moving people from welfare to the working poor," said Horn, who
is returning for his second tour of administrative duty at HHS after six
years leading the National Fatherhood Initiative(!), which he founded.
It is Horn's views on marriage that have headlines.
Research suggests children raised in two-parent families are better off than
those who rely on just one. Traditionally, the welfare system discouraged
marriage, because eligibility for benefits is calculated using both parents'
income.
In 1997, Horn suggested reversing the incentive. He
said married couples should get preferential treatment in public benefits
with limited spots, such as housing and Head Start.
Women's groups complained that this could trap poor
women in abusive marriages because they stood to lose their benefits if they
lost their husbands. Some 90 groups opposed Horn's nomination to the HHS
job.
In his Senate confirmation hearing, Horn renounced
these views, and easily was confirmed.
"I've thoughtfully considered critics of that idea," he
said in an interview. "I've become convinced over time that ... it is too
easy to translate it into a discrimination issue against single moms.
"I am not in this at all to bash single moms," he
added. "You know why? Because children are in single-mother households. If
I were to kick single moms out of public housing or discriminate against
single moms, kids
would suffer. I have no interest in that."
The turnabout has persuaded some of his loudest critics
to give him a chance. Leaders of the NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund,
which led the opposition to his nomination, plan to meet with him next
month. "He's at least willing to listen," said the group's president, Kathy
Rodgers.
Horn is still unabashedly pro-marriage. The landmark
1996 welfare law must be renewed next year, and the Bush administration is
formulating its position on how it should be changed, he said. But Horn has
personally detailed a number of ways that Congress might prod states, which
have done virtually nothing to promote marriage in their welfare programs.
Congress should make it clear that states are supposed
to be encouraging marriage, not just two-parent families, he said in an
article this summer. Also, he said, government should pay for premarital
education classes for low-income people considering marriage.
Horn also supports financial incentives, such as West
Virginia's $100 monthly bonus for welfare parents who are married. He is
also open to more radical ideas; for example, identifying young women who
are at risk of getting pregnant and promising them $5,000 if they have their
first child after marriage.
He also takes a conservative line on sex education,
supporting abstinence-only education, which bars talk of contraception.
"Heaven knows kids get contrary messages to abstinence
every day. The idea that if parents emphasize abstinence to teen-agers that
they will be completely oblivious to contrary messages that are coming from
the popular culture, that's a ludicrous assumption," he said.
"Show me the 16-year-old who has never heard the word
condom, or has no idea what it is or how to use one. But I can show you a
lot of teen-agers who have never gotten the message that abstinence is the
best choice."
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign asks that people forward this out to as many listserves as possible!! FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! U.S. NAVY OUT OF VIEQUES!! INTERNATIONAL SOLIDARITY; NO TO WAR!! ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques P.O. Box 1424 Vieques, Puerto Rico 00765 >(787) 741-0716 E mail: bieke@... > >23 September, 2001 > >A Shout for Peace >The presence and activities of the US Navy in Vieques were immoral before >the 11th of September, and they continue to be immoral today. Our >community in struggle has declared a moratorium on civil disobedience >actions based upon our committment to peace and as a show of solidarity >with the victims and families affected by the tragic events of 11 September >as well as concerns for the security of our people. > >However, we emphasize that our solidarity is directed toward to innocent >victims of the terrorist attacks and not toward the militaristic actions of >the US government. The pain brought on by these violent acts for thousands >of families in the US, in Puerto Rico and around the world, is also our >pain. And our struggle for peace is also the struggle for peace for the >US, for Puerto Rico and all the peoples of the world. > >We energetically reject terrorism, war and any type of violence as a means >to resolve conflicts in our world. In Vieques, the US armed forces have >dropped more bombs that in all combined wars. We have been victims of >every US military action since the Second World War - Korea, Vietnam, the >Persian Gulf, Yugoslavia and the many US military interventions in the >Americas. We do not want to be used for preparing wars in the 21st >century. > >Our people live the effects of war - military contamination and its serious >health effects; restrictions on movement in our own land; forced >immigration and the breaking up of the family; the dangers and tension from >the daily possibilities of a horrible military accident and the >psychological impact of this situation for our people. We struggle to >demilitarize Vieques. Our people are the first to suffer the effects of >invasions and bombings of attacks launched by the US government against >outher countries. We do not want more war for Vieques. We do not want any >more war for anybody in this world. We join the growing peace movement >that throughout the world - including the United States - is revitalizing >itself before the imminent attack by the US against Afghanistan. > >We will continue to struggle for demilitarization, decontamination, return >of our lands and sustainable community development in a future Vieques >freed from the Navy. We are preparing now for the next civil disobedience >actions during the next maneuvers. We are recruiting in the neighborhoods >in preparation for a massive entrance of Viequenses and Puerto Ricans from >all parts of the archipelago. > >We have declared a moratorium on civil disobedience because we value life - >ours and the lives of everyone. All of the Vieques organizations related >to the struggle against the military presence approved the moratorium >because ours is a people of peace. But we wish to make very clear, that >our solidarity is directed toward the innocent victims of terrorism. We >could never support or applaud the terrorism of aircraft carries launching >missiles against hospitals, schools, against populated cities, in the name >of vengeance and of a democracy that in Vieques is stepped upon by the US >Navy. > >We struggle for peace in Vieques, peace in New York, peace in Washington, >in Afghanistan and in the entire world. > >SAY NO TO WAR! YES TO PEACE! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
yes matt, we must unite mainly against the far right trigger happy elements of imperialism. practicly that translates into destroying bret schundler in november in order to send a clear message across the nation. also we must focus our revolutionary positions more locally and win ras baraka for newark council may2002. the ideological agreements/disagreements will not be productive outside of the peoples political development. while the greens & Fabw organize to put schundler in office, revolutionaries must reach the people. speak out against terrorism, US imperialism wednesday, 8:00pm brower commons joe smith >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com, poprogress@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [onepeoplesproject] War for oil continues >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:50:16 > >Dave- Anti-Imperialist Revolutionaries must not sell people short at this >time- what is needed first and formost is a broad mass united front against >war abroad & the rise of fascism within the united states. (see Dimitrov) >Revolutionaries must unite against imperialism, but this is not a mass >rallying cry!! (Unless one wishes to proceed without the people!) >Underlying all of this, of course, is the latent debate that, in fact, Nov >2000 has ushered in a new era of American Fascism (with a little help from >their "friends") that was just waiting for a pretext to advance their >agenda, (WTC=Reichstag?) which as you correctly point out, "It's the >economy, stupid" - OIL. > >In Unity & Struggle, Matthew Smith > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] War for oil continues >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 11:09:07 -0400 > >From the forthcoming (October) issue of For a Better World: >= = = = = = = = = = > >War for oil continues > >The 1991 attack on Iraq was a war for oil. The new "war against terror" is >no such thing. It is the continuation of the war for oil, which never >stopped. > > In February of 1990 Saddam Hussein told the Arab Cooperation Council, >which consisted of Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia that, "if the Gulf >people, along with all Arabs, are not careful, the Arab Gulf region will be >governed by the United States' will." Instead he proposed, "Agreement >should >be reached over clear and widespread pan-Arab cooperation programs among >Arab countries in the economic, political, and educational fields." (Orbis, >Winter, 1991.) > > In other words, Saddam proposed Arab unity and independence from >imperialism (his word for U.S. policy.) His reward was the attack by George >I Bush. Nonetheless, George I fell and Saddam remains to this day. > > In his September 21 speech to Congress George II Bush said >Americans are asking, "Who attacked our country?" The evidence we have >gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist >organizations known as Al Qaeda. . . Al Qaeda is to terror what the Mafia >is >to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world >and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere . . . > > There is a huge lie here. Every war, without exception, is based on >economic causes. Bush would have us believe there is no economic root to Al >Qaeda's motives. This is ridiculous. > >He went on >They hate what they see right here in this chamber, a democratically >elected >government. > > He refers to his own dictatorially appointed regime as "democratically >elected." This is even more ridiculous! He then gets to the real heart of >it: >They [Al Qaeda] want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim >countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They want to drive >Israel >out of the Middle East . . . . With every atrocity they hope that America >grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They >stand against us because we stand in their way. > > Ah-hah! Bush mentions the allies in the Middle East through which U.S. >imperialism dominates the Persian Gulf and its vast oil reserves. Egypt, >Jordan, and Saudi Arabia are the very countries to which Saddam made his >fateful proposals in 1990. > > Bush is afraid these regimes, like Iran in 1997, will be overthrown by >forces like those in Al Qaeda and turned from U.S. allies into opponents. >U.S. imperialism would then lose its domination of the Gulf. > > The war for oil has now struck in the U.S. itself. It will never end >until >imperialism is defeated and driven out of the Middle East. The only way >this >terrible war will ever end is through people's unity against imperialism. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
to understand more better this conversation read the below post and check at rugreens@egroups.com the most recent posts by joe kaminiski. (ray higbee is the new jersey greens campus chief) this is the ru greens & msu greens line on the war. greens are corporate players! buy military stock!! don't even represent anything progressive - for greens at rutgers and throughout new jersey i would suggest mutiny, dump coleman and join/build the local struggle for peoples democracy. in new brunswick you can join the new brunswick peoples campaign, currently our working platform is to bury schundler (scientifically), ras baraka for newark city council may2002, and new brunswick mayor city council and elected school board november2002. we are also working with NB Community Arts Mural Project to complete a mural at the corner of lee and hale st. contact joe smith can_bush@... in and around newark you can join the committee to elect ras baraka to newark city council. at least e-mail rasjuabaraka@... to be kept up to date on activities - though there is much any volunteers can do, i am sure of it. 808 south 10th street newark tuesdays 7:30pm meetings. some peoples i know to support greens claim to be revolutionaries, even communists. overall, the greens would at the very minimal claim to represent the people and the environment, but no more can this be the case. the true colors have come out - GREEN$ want war! hey higbee, who you callin' "ignorant"? you slimy fuck. joe smith New Brunswick Peoples Campaign >From: "Ray Higbee Jr" <whcoon@...> >To: RUGreens@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [RUGreens] Re: About Supporting America/Military buildup >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:18:17 -0000 > >I agree completely with Joe. I own stock in several areas. Investing >in the military market is definity a sure money-maker. I also agree >that keeping the United States Economy strong is necessary. > >However, we have to keep presecptive. By investing in military >equipment, when we know it could be used on innocent civizens, we hve >given our consent to business to continue making their product. We >have given our consent for the United States to kill. > >On the other side, the military hires the most people in the United >States. Soliders, Officers, Engineers, Technicions, Manufacturers, >and Janitors are all hired to work directly or indirectly by the >military. It takes hundreds of people to build a commerical airliner, >thousands to build a military airplane. If we were to cut the defense >budget in half tomorrow, it would be the workers who suffered. Oddly >enough, the government hires many people who would otherwise have low- >paying or no jobs at all. > >Therefore, if the budget is increased more than usual, so more >contacts can be handed out to manuferucers, so the Stock Market will >be restored, American Workers will benefit. But what of the ignorant >innocents in Afganhistan, or Palestine? This is a twisted game >of "Who comes first?" > >Long term, we need to replace building fighters with building houses. >The real question is how do we do it? > `Ray > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Please don't call me a Green. I am a registered Republican, I am on this list in order to get a better prespective on the current happenings of the Social Democrats around here. I am not progressive, well I guess you could say I am on social issues, but economically, i most definately am not. Nobody is going to elect your communist candiate for Newark city council in 2002. We (the Right and Capitalists) are far to strong, you will never stop us because the bottom line is financial Captial, and we have it. We are far better organized than you will ever be, and we are willing to fight just as hard to maintain a strong economy, and you are to destroy it. i wish Franks would have defeated Schundler, but thats the past, and we will still maintain power even after McGreevy wins, because he is more one of Us than his is one of you !!! Folk Rock Joe On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > to understand more better this conversation read the below post and check at > rugreens@egroups.com the most recent posts by joe kaminiski. (ray higbee is > the new jersey greens campus chief) > > this is the ru greens & msu greens line on the war. greens are corporate > players! buy military stock!! don't even represent anything progressive - > for greens at rutgers and throughout new jersey i would suggest mutiny, dump > coleman and join/build the local struggle for peoples democracy. > > in new brunswick you can join the new brunswick peoples campaign, currently > our working platform is to bury schundler (scientifically), ras baraka for > newark city council may2002, and new brunswick mayor city council and > elected school board november2002. we are also working with NB Community > Arts Mural Project to complete a mural at the corner of lee and hale st. > contact joe smith can_bush@... > > in and around newark you can join the committee to elect ras baraka to > newark city council. at least e-mail rasjuabaraka@... to be kept up to > date on activities - though there is much any volunteers can do, i am sure > of it. 808 south 10th street newark tuesdays 7:30pm meetings. > > some peoples i know to support greens claim to be revolutionaries, even > communists. overall, the greens would at the very minimal claim to represent > the people and the environment, but no more can this be the case. the true > colors have come out - GREEN$ want war! > > hey higbee, who you callin' "ignorant"? you slimy fuck. > > joe smith > New Brunswick Peoples Campaign > > > >From: "Ray Higbee Jr" <whcoon@...> > >To: RUGreens@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [RUGreens] Re: About Supporting America/Military buildup > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:18:17 -0000 > > > >I agree completely with Joe. I own stock in several areas. Investing > >in the military market is definity a sure money-maker. I also agree > >that keeping the United States Economy strong is necessary. > > > >However, we have to keep presecptive. By investing in military > >equipment, when we know it could be used on innocent civizens, we hve > >given our consent to business to continue making their product. We > >have given our consent for the United States to kill. > > > >On the other side, the military hires the most people in the United > >States. Soliders, Officers, Engineers, Technicions, Manufacturers, > >and Janitors are all hired to work directly or indirectly by the > >military. It takes hundreds of people to build a commerical airliner, > >thousands to build a military airplane. If we were to cut the defense > >budget in half tomorrow, it would be the workers who suffered. Oddly > >enough, the government hires many people who would otherwise have low- > >paying or no jobs at all. > > > >Therefore, if the budget is increased more than usual, so more > >contacts can be handed out to manuferucers, so the Stock Market will > >be restored, American Workers will benefit. But what of the ignorant > >innocents in Afganhistan, or Palestine? This is a twisted game > >of "Who comes first?" > > > >Long term, we need to replace building fighters with building houses. > >The real question is how do we do it? > > `Ray > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
Cuba claims that it is opposed to terrorism and opposed to war Speech by Commander in Chief Fidel Castro Ruz, President of the Republic of Cuba. Havana, September 22, 2001 Fellow countrymen: No one can deny that terrorism is today a dangerous and ethically indefensible phenomenon, which should be eradicated regardless of its deep origins, the economic and political factors that brought it to live and those responsible for it.The unanimous irritation caused by the human and psychological damage brought on the American people by the unexpected and shocking death of thousands of innocent people whose images have shaken the world is perfectly understandable. But who have profited? The extreme right, the most backward and right-wing forces, those in favor of crushing the growing world rebellion and sweeping away everything progressive that is still left on the planet. It was an enormous error, a huge injustice and a great crime whomever they are who organized or are responsible for such action.However, the tragedy should not be used to recklessly start a war that could actually unleash an endless carnage of innocent people and all of this on behalf of justice and under the peculiar and bizarre name of "Infinite Justice".In the last few days we have seen the hasty establishment of the basis, the concept, the true purposes, the spirit and the conditions for such a war. No one would be able to affirm that it was not something thought out well in advance, something that was just waiting for its chance to materialize. Those who after the so-called end of the cold war continued a military build-up and the development of the most sophisticated means to kill and exterminate human beings were aware that the large military investments would give them the privilege to impose an absolute and complete dominance over the other peoples of the world. The ideologists of the imperialist system knew very well what they were doing and why they were doing it.After the shock and sincere sorrow felt by every people on Earth for the atrocious and insane terrorist attack that targeted the American people, the most extremist ideologists and the most belligerent hawks, already set in privileged power positions, have taken command of the most powerful country in the world whose military and technological capabilities would seem infinite. Actually, its capacity to destroy and kill is enormous while its inclination towards equanimity, serenity, thoughtfulness and restrain is minimal.The combination of elements --including complicity and the common enjoyment of privileges-- the prevailing opportunism, confusion and panic make it almost impossible to avoid a bloody and unpredictable outcome.The first victims of whatever military actions are undertaken will be the billions of people living in the poor and underdeveloped world with their unbelievable economic and social problems, their unpayable debts and the ruinous prices of their basic commodities; their growing natural and ecological catastrophes, their hunger and misery, the massive undernourishment of their children, teenagers and adults; their terrible AIDS epidemic, their malaria, their tuberculosis and their infectious diseases that threaten whole nations with extermination.The grave economic world crisis was already a real and irrefutable fact affecting absolutely every one of the big economic power centers. Such crisis will inevitably grow deeper under the new circumstances and when it becomes unbearable for the overwhelming majority of the peoples, it will bring chaos, rebellion and the impossibility to govern.But the price will also be unpayable for the rich countries. For years to come it would be impossible to speak strong enough about the environment and the ecology, or about ideas and research done and tested, or about projects for the protection of Nature because that space and possibility would be taken by military actions, war and crimes as infinite as "Infinite Justice", that is, the name given to the war operation to be unleashed.Can there be any hope left after having listened, hardly 36 hours ago, to the speech made the President before de U.S. Congress? I will avoid the use of adjectives, qualifiers or offensive words towards the author of that speech. They would be absolutely unnecessary and untimely when the tensions and seriousness of the moment advise thoughtfulness and equanimity. I will limit myself to underline some short phrases that say it all:"We will use every necessary weapon of war.""Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have ever seen.""Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.""I�ve called the armed forces to alert and there is a reason. The hour is coming when America will act and you will make us proud.""This is the world�s fight, this is civilization�s fight.""I ask for your patience [...] in what will be a long struggle.""The great achievement of our time and the great hope of every time, now depend on us.""The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. [...] And we know that God is not neutral."I ask our fellow countrymen to meditate deeply and calmly on the ideas contained in several of the above-mentioned phrases:. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.. No nation of the world has been left out of the dilemma, not even the big and powerful states; none has escaped the threat of war or attacks.. We will use any weapon.No procedure has been excluded, regardless of its ethics, or any threat whatever fatal, either nuclear, chemical, biological or any other.. It will not be short combat but a lengthy war, lasting many years, unparalleled in history.. It is the world�s fight; it is civilization�s fight.. The achievements of our times and the hope of every time, now depend on us.Finally, an unheard of confession in a political speech on the eve of a war, and no less than in times of apocalyptic risks: The course of this conflict is not known; yet its outcome is certain. And we know that God is not neutral. This is an amazing assertion. When I think about the real or imagined parties involved that bizarre holy war that is about to begin, I find it difficult to make a distinction about where fanaticism is stronger.On Thursday, before the United States Congress, the idea was designed of a world military dictatorship under the exclusive rule of force, irrespective of any international laws or institutions. The United Nations Organization, simply ignored in the present crisis, would fail to have any authority or prerogative whatsoever. There would be only one boss, only one judge, and only one law.We have all been ordered to ally either with the United States government or with terrorism. Cuba, the country that has suffered the most and the longest from terrorist actions, the one whose people are not afraid of anything because there is no threat or power in the world that can intimidate it, with a high morale Cuba claims that it is opposed to terrorism and opposed to war. Although the possibilities are now remote, Cuba reaffirms the need to avert a war of unpredictable consequences whose very authors have admitted not to have the least idea of how the events will unfold. Likewise, Cuba reiterates its willingness to cooperate with every country in the total eradication of terrorism.An objective and calm friend should advise the United States government against throwing the young American soldiers into an uncertain war in remote, isolated and inaccessible places, like a fight against ghosts, not knowing where they are or even if they exist or not, or whether the people they kill are or not responsible for the death of their innocent fellow countrymen killed in the United States.Cuba will never declare itself an enemy of the American people that is today subjected to an unprecedented campaign to sow hatred and a vengeful spirit, so much so that even the music that sings to peace has been banned. On the contrary, Cuba will make that music its own, and even our children will sing their songs to peace while the announced bloody war lasts.Whatever happens, the territory of Cuba will never be used for terrorist actions against the American people and we will do everything within our reach to prevent such actions against that people. Today we are expressing our solidarity while urging to peace and calmness. One day they will admit we were right.Our independence, our principles and our social achievements we will defend with honor to the last drop of blood, if we are attacked!It will not be easy to fabricate pretexts to do it. They are already talking about a war using all the necessary weapons but it will be good recalling that not even that would be a new experience. Almost four decades ago, hundreds of strategic and tactical nuclear weapons were aimed at Cuba and nobody remembers anyone of our countrymen sleepless over that.We are the same sons and daughters of that heroic people, with a patriotic and revolutionary conscience that is higher than ever. It is time for serenity and courage.The world will grow aware of this and will raise its voice in the face of the terrible threatening drama that it is about to suffer.As for Cubans, this is the right time to proclaim more proud and resolute than ever: Socialism or death!Homeland or death! We will overcome! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
First of all. The member posting on the RUGreens supporting buying military
stock DOES NOT represent the "Greens" view on any level.
Secondly, if you read what I wrote carefully and spent less time
plugging your "causes," you would realize that I understood Joseph's
point-of-view, I believe he means well when he says he wants the US economy
to bounce back. As for individual persons making a profit off the stocks,
that is their own business. Feel free to take it up with him.
Third, I am NOT the NJ Campus "Chief." I am tentatively the North
Jersey coordinator until such time it can be ratified by the Rutgers-New
Brunswick, Montclair State and Princeton Universities chapters. This position
was given to me by Remo Stockamp (ms), who was the NJ Campus Green
Coordinator until two months ago.
Fourth, here are the links for anyone to see on the Green Party of the
United States, and the National Campus Greens chapters. The GPNJ position
shall be available soon, as it was formed at the convention yesterday.
<A HREF="www.gpus.org">www.gpus.org</A>
<A HREF="http://www.campusgreens.org/sept11.html">http://www.campusgreens.org/sept11.html</A>
<A HREF="www.gpnj.org">www.gpnj.org</A>
If anyone has any questions, please feel free to e-mail me. If you have
nothing but insluts, please send just one e-mail.
Finally, I apologize for this, but it must be said. I have never met Joesph
Smith personally. I have seen him kicked off at one listerver, the People's
Organization for Progress (based out of Patterson, led by Larry Hamm). He has
made it a mission to bash the Green Party and its members any chance he gets.
His does not want our help unlesss we sumbit to his demands, and follow his
way. He used incomplete postings as scare tactics. Hoping to gain support for
himself. He is a scared liberal and a sad little person. Mr. Smith, the Green
Party will not go away. We will now stay in the 1% of the vote where it is
safe. We are going after the Republican and (Heaven Forbid) the Democratic
National Committees. We shall try to win local offices and change the
enviornment, pay, and living conditions for all people for the better. But we
shall do it with action, and not just by rhetoic.
And don't call me a slimy fuck please. It hurts my feelings.
~Ray Higbee
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abolish the family, &corresponding minimum democratic demands of self-determination for women in relation to patriarchy (that is, democratic right to determine their collective (not merely individual "divorce") social relation to re-production &the family...) &to be determined thru e.g., national women's plebescite (&national to address distinctions of family stage w/in different nations, &w/in context of imperial national relations...), and reparations for historic theft &exploitation of both spheres of women's production, the greatest oppression in history. "emancipation", "rights"... is empty talk unless as an expression of struggle for POWER, i.e., women's power over the forces of re-production, against patriarchy &the family which is the system of male supremacy &women's slavery. to put forward only minimum, democratic slogans (¬ even develop these) provides no revolutionary, proletarian leadership to women's struggle. which leaves the women's movement in the hands of bourgeois "feminism", thus giving chauvanistic male revolutionaries "cause" to say "the women's movement is bourgeois and divisive!" & dismiss it. w/o exhausting the full revolutionary potential of the women's liberation struggle, world revolution will not succeed. see: ussr, china... cliff >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: amirib@..., breakingchains@..., gregdig65@..., > tamaradahan@..., mauracarey@..., njfo@egroups.com, > onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] abolish the family >Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 18:23:04 -0500 > >Cliff, >I think that we should clearly oppose any attempts to coerce anyone >economicly or >otherwise into marriage. On the other hand people have the right to be >married if they >choose. You can't abolish the family from outside it. We are still fighting >for >democrcay in the U.S. They have been attacking the family since the days of >chattel >slavery and it is still going on along with the rest of slavery's legacy. >Before we >can talk about "abolish the family" it has to be able to exist. (The >destruction of >the projects in New Brunswick without any replacemnt housing destroyed >countless >families). Just as we ultimately want to go beyond democracy to socilaism >and >Communism, yet we realize that first we must get democracy, so to before we >can >abolish the family it must be allowed to exist. > Family is very much related to the struggle for democracy before the >rise of >bourgeois democratic revolutions peasant families, serf families, slave >families, were >devasted raped, exploited, torn apart. (the right of the first night, >dramatized in >"Braveheart" and the horror of rape during chattel slavery). > We develop a program that demands children's right to get out of >abusive >situations. We want women to be able to have the unchallenged right to >divorce etc. We >must fight for institutions that can provide services and resources that >imperialism >puts on families. I think that the program certainly needs to be devloped >and I think >that it is a significant aspect of women's emancipation and the democratic >struggle. >But the slogan "abolish the family" is ultra-left. > >Keith > >cliff smith wrote: > > > Government's welfare chief promotes > > marriage as way to move families out of > > poverty > > > > By LAURA MECKLER > > The Associated Press > > 9/23/01 1:14 PM > > > > "...Horn is still unabashedly pro-marriage. The landmark 1996 welfare >law > > must be renewed next year, and the Bush administration is formulating >its > > position on how it should be changed, he said. But Horn has personally > > detailed a number of ways that Congress might prod states, which have >done > > virtually nothing to promote marriage in their welfare programs. > > > > Congress should make it clear that states are >supposed > > to be encouraging marriage, not just two-parent families, he said in an > > article this summer. Also, he said, government should pay for premarital > > education classes for low-income people considering marriage. > > > > Horn also supports financial incentives, such as >West > > Virginia's $100 monthly bonus for welfare parents who are married. He is > > also open to more radical ideas; for example, identifying young women >who > > are at risk of getting pregnant and promising them $5,000 if they have >their > > first child after marriage. > > > > He also takes a conservative line on sex education, > > supporting abstinence-only education, which bars talk of >contraception..." > > > > ************************ > > > > Government's welfare chief promotes > > marriage as way to move families out of > > poverty > > > > By LAURA MECKLER > > The Associated Press > > 9/23/01 1:14 PM > > > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Wade Horn, the nation's new >welfare > > chief, believes a ring, a walk down the aisle and a promise to love, >honor > > and cherish may be the key to moving families out of poverty. > > > > Horn, an academic who says he relies on results, >not > > theory, admits he has no evidence that government can do anything to > > persuade poor people to get married. > > > > Still, he is using his new post at the Health and >Human > > Services Department to amplify the voices of conservatives who believe > > marriage should be a bigger piece of welfare reform. He also is >preaching > > the virtues of sexual abstinence, saying unmarried people should not be > > having sex. > > > > "I think it's the healthiest choice, yes I do," >said > > Horn, recently confirmed as assistant secretary for family support. > > > > But Horn, whose agency is responsible for welfare, >Head > > Start, child care, child abuse, foster care and adoption, is not a > > cookie-cutter conservative. > > > > He says the success of welfare should be measured >by > > the effect on children, not by the number of people who have left >welfare. > > He volunteers that some people who have left welfare appear worse off >than > > they were. He says the welfare system should find a way to help people >move > > up the economic ladder by advancing to better jobs. > > > > "I don't think we as a nation ought to be satisfied > > with simply moving people from welfare to the working poor," said Horn, >who > > is returning for his second tour of administrative duty at HHS after six > > years leading the National Fatherhood Initiative(!), which he founded. > > > > It is Horn's views on marriage that have headlines. > > Research suggests children raised in two-parent families are better off >than > > those who rely on just one. Traditionally, the welfare system >discouraged > > marriage, because eligibility for benefits is calculated using both >parents' > > income. > > > > In 1997, Horn suggested reversing the incentive. He > > said married couples should get preferential treatment in public >benefits > > with limited spots, such as housing and Head Start. > > > > Women's groups complained that this could trap poor > > women in abusive marriages because they stood to lose their benefits if >they > > lost their husbands. Some 90 groups opposed Horn's nomination to the HHS > > job. > > > > In his Senate confirmation hearing, Horn renounced > > these views, and easily was confirmed. > > > > "I've thoughtfully considered critics of that >idea," he > > said in an interview. "I've become convinced over time that ... it is >too > > easy to translate it into a discrimination issue against single moms. > > > > "I am not in this at all to bash single moms," he > > added. "You know why? Because children are in single-mother households. >If > > I were to kick single moms out of public housing or discriminate against > > single moms, kids > > would suffer. I have no interest in that." > > > > The turnabout has persuaded some of his loudest >critics > > to give him a chance. Leaders of the NOW Legal Defense and Education >Fund, > > which led the opposition to his nomination, plan to meet with him next > > month. "He's at least willing to listen," said the group's president, >Kathy > > Rodgers. > > > > Horn is still unabashedly pro-marriage. The >landmark > > 1996 welfare law must be renewed next year, and the Bush administration >is > > formulating its position on how it should be changed, he said. But Horn >has > > personally detailed a number of ways that Congress might prod states, >which > > have done virtually nothing to promote marriage in their welfare >programs. > > > > Congress should make it clear that states are >supposed > > to be encouraging marriage, not just two-parent families, he said in an > > article this summer. Also, he said, government should pay for premarital > > education classes for low-income people considering marriage. > > > > Horn also supports financial incentives, such as >West > > Virginia's $100 monthly bonus for welfare parents who are married. He is > > also open to more radical ideas; for example, identifying young women >who > > are at risk of getting pregnant and promising them $5,000 if they have >their > > first child after marriage. > > > > He also takes a conservative line on sex education, > > supporting abstinence-only education, which bars talk of contraception. > > > > "Heaven knows kids get contrary messages to >abstinence > > every day. The idea that if parents emphasize abstinence to teen-agers >that > > they will be completely oblivious to contrary messages that are coming >from > > the popular culture, that's a ludicrous assumption," he said. > > > > "Show me the 16-year-old who has never heard the >word > > condom, or has no idea what it is or how to use one. But I can show you >a > > lot of teen-agers who have never gotten the message that abstinence is >the > > best choice." > > > > Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights >reserved. > > This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or >redistributed. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
salute yr honesty, if not yr historical political consciousness. >From: Joseph Kaminski <jkaminsk@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >CC: whcoon@..., RUGreens@yahoogroups.com, jfort845@..., >jmosley1@..., rustudentsforpeace@..., mauracarey@..., >amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, >vivaohio@... >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [RUGreens] Re: About Supporting America/Military >buildup >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:05:20 -0400 (EDT) > >Please don't call me a Green. I am a registered Republican, I am on this >list in order to get a better prespective on the current happenings of >the Social Democrats around here. I am not progressive, well I guess you >could say I am on social issues, but economically, i most definately am >not. Nobody is going to elect your communist candiate for Newark city >council in 2002. We (the Right and Capitalists) are far to strong, you >will never stop us because the bottom line is financial Captial, and we >have it. We are far better organized than you will ever be, and we are >willing to fight just as hard to maintain a strong economy, and you are to >destroy it. i wish Franks would have defeated Schundler, but thats the >past, and we will still maintain power even after McGreevy wins, because >he is more one of Us than his is one of you !!! > >Folk Rock Joe > >On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > > > > to understand more better this conversation read the below post and >check at > > rugreens@egroups.com the most recent posts by joe kaminiski. (ray higbee >is > > the new jersey greens campus chief) > > > > this is the ru greens & msu greens line on the war. greens are corporate > > players! buy military stock!! don't even represent anything progressive >- > > for greens at rutgers and throughout new jersey i would suggest mutiny, >dump > > coleman and join/build the local struggle for peoples democracy. > > > > in new brunswick you can join the new brunswick peoples campaign, >currently > > our working platform is to bury schundler (scientifically), ras baraka >for > > newark city council may2002, and new brunswick mayor city council and > > elected school board november2002. we are also working with NB Community > > Arts Mural Project to complete a mural at the corner of lee and hale st. > > contact joe smith can_bush@... > > > > in and around newark you can join the committee to elect ras baraka to > > newark city council. at least e-mail rasjuabaraka@... to be kept up >to > > date on activities - though there is much any volunteers can do, i am >sure > > of it. 808 south 10th street newark tuesdays 7:30pm meetings. > > > > some peoples i know to support greens claim to be revolutionaries, even > > communists. overall, the greens would at the very minimal claim to >represent > > the people and the environment, but no more can this be the case. the >true > > colors have come out - GREEN$ want war! > > > > hey higbee, who you callin' "ignorant"? you slimy fuck. > > > > joe smith > > New Brunswick Peoples Campaign > > > > > > >From: "Ray Higbee Jr" <whcoon@...> > > >To: RUGreens@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [RUGreens] Re: About Supporting America/Military buildup > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:18:17 -0000 > > > > > >I agree completely with Joe. I own stock in several areas. Investing > > >in the military market is definity a sure money-maker. I also agree > > >that keeping the United States Economy strong is necessary. > > > > > >However, we have to keep presecptive. By investing in military > > >equipment, when we know it could be used on innocent civizens, we hve > > >given our consent to business to continue making their product. We > > >have given our consent for the United States to kill. > > > > > >On the other side, the military hires the most people in the United > > >States. Soliders, Officers, Engineers, Technicions, Manufacturers, > > >and Janitors are all hired to work directly or indirectly by the > > >military. It takes hundreds of people to build a commerical airliner, > > >thousands to build a military airplane. If we were to cut the defense > > >budget in half tomorrow, it would be the workers who suffered. Oddly > > >enough, the government hires many people who would otherwise have low- > > >paying or no jobs at all. > > > > > >Therefore, if the budget is increased more than usual, so more > > >contacts can be handed out to manuferucers, so the Stock Market will > > >be restored, American Workers will benefit. But what of the ignorant > > >innocents in Afganhistan, or Palestine? This is a twisted game > > >of "Who comes first?" > > > > > >Long term, we need to replace building fighters with building houses. > > >The real question is how do we do it? > > > `Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
green$ are anti working class vote for green is vote for republican peoples war on the right cliff >From: whcoon@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., jmosley1@..., rustudentsforpeace@..., > mauracarey@..., Amirib@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, >coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, vivaohio@... >Subject: [nbpc] Re: About Supporting America/Military buildup >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:06:20 EDT > > First of all. The member posting on the RUGreens supporting buying >military >stock DOES NOT represent the "Greens" view on any level. > > Secondly, if you read what I wrote carefully and spent less time >plugging your "causes," you would realize that I understood Joseph's >point-of-view, I believe he means well when he says he wants the US economy >to bounce back. As for individual persons making a profit off the stocks, >that is their own business. Feel free to take it up with him. > > Third, I am NOT the NJ Campus "Chief." I am tentatively the North >Jersey coordinator until such time it can be ratified by the Rutgers-New >Brunswick, Montclair State and Princeton Universities chapters. This >position >was given to me by Remo Stockamp (ms), who was the NJ Campus Green >Coordinator until two months ago. > > Fourth, here are the links for anyone to see on the Green Party of >the >United States, and the National Campus Greens chapters. The GPNJ position >shall be available soon, as it was formed at the convention yesterday. > ><A HREF="www.gpus.org">www.gpus.org</A> > ><A >HREF="http://www.campusgreens.org/sept11.html">http://www.campusgreens.org/sept11.html</A> > ><A HREF="www.gpnj.org">www.gpnj.org</A> > >If anyone has any questions, please feel free to e-mail me. If you have >nothing but insluts, please send just one e-mail. > >Finally, I apologize for this, but it must be said. I have never met >Joesph >Smith personally. I have seen him kicked off at one listerver, the People's >Organization for Progress (based out of Patterson, led by Larry Hamm). He >has >made it a mission to bash the Green Party and its members any chance he >gets. >His does not want our help unlesss we sumbit to his demands, and follow his >way. He used incomplete postings as scare tactics. Hoping to gain support >for >himself. He is a scared liberal and a sad little person. Mr. Smith, the >Green >Party will not go away. We will now stay in the 1% of the vote where it is >safe. We are going after the Republican and (Heaven Forbid) the Democratic >National Committees. We shall try to win local offices and change the >enviornment, pay, and living conditions for all people for the better. But >we >shall do it with action, and not just by rhetoic. > >And don't call me a slimy fuck please. It hurts my feelings. > > ~Ray Higbee > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? joe smith >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >To: can_bush@... >Subject: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > get your own game, agents. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of Paul is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as "sabateurs" while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the paper... No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., onepeoplesproject@egroups.com Subject: Re: fake playaz Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? joe smith >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >To: can_bush@... >Subject: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > get your own game, agents. << message3.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
I would like to know what this is about. I already sd that sectarianism is a form of opportunism. While I am all for drawing clear lines of demacation, so that there is no mistake about political lines, at the same time this isn't a "game" that a group or anyone else controls. We are talking (I hope) about orgainzing the people to seize power (for their own benifit, not the benifit of their wanna be leaders). I think that explainaition is required but the language of "game" implying control is betrays alot. Calling others aents even if you disagree strongly doesn't help it only plays into the divide and conquer strategy of Imperialsim. >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and >who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > >joe smith > >>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >>To: can_bush@... >>Subject: fake playaz >>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 >> >get your own game, agents. ><< message3.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
1. agents assume that one is on the payroll or hired to infiltrate 2. you & yours did sabatoge U&S's line for the entire year of the peoples campaign leading up to the election. you dropped beat bush! and embraced waron curtis and bright. the entire time you denounced any revolutionary positions and activities during the campaign only to achieve putting bright onto an already anti-democratic housing authority. the results of you & yours actions have only attacked the nbpc's tactic's of community control. ponder how you like, reality is frank bright is on the housing authority because people like keith joseph received about 2000 votes as a registered republican. if you can see no difference in my position & paul's just go to the next housing authority meeting or ask yourself why U&S was not put out in a year during which the U&S edit board was more organized w/republicans than revolutionaries. joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of Paul >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as "sabateurs" >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the paper... > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >the >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails like >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply all >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is he >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > >joe smith > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > >To: can_bush@... > >Subject: fake playaz > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > >get your own game, agents. ><< message3.txt >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
i didn't even pick up on this in my first reading... matt, how are you going to blame me and mine for stalling the production of the paper when you where actively organizing against the positions amiri put forward for it? i was the one that called for the meeting to begin developing a new issue of the paper, which you also have a problem with because you are not open with amiri about who and what you had been actually representing during the campaign. no fault of mine. for you to argue that me & mine are wrong to call you and yours saboteurs means you must explain where was the U&S position of the 2000 election and where was the paper? the only way you are going to call me & mine upsurd is to explain... otherwise you should focus on accepting our position and reconciling your relationship with the NB community, namely those of public housing along with those that were dissed by the coalition against police brutality while your boy waron curtis co-opted the group for years. joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of Paul >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as "sabateurs" >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the paper... > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >the >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails like >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply all >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is he >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > >joe smith > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > >To: can_bush@... > >Subject: fake playaz > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > >get your own game, agents. ><< message3.txt >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
who stalls? you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were chillin w/ republicans. &we still get out more u&s' than yall. now then >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, >keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of Paul >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as "sabateurs" >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the paper... > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >the >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails like >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply all >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is he >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > >joe smith > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > >To: can_bush@... > >Subject: fake playaz > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > >get your own game, agents. ><< message3.txt >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
unite the anti-war movement! unity&criticism against imperialism. >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:57:10 +0000 > >I would like to know what this is about. >I already sd that sectarianism is a form of opportunism. While I am all for >drawing clear lines of demacation, so that there is no mistake about >political lines, at the same time this isn't a "game" that a group or >anyone >else controls. We are talking (I hope) about orgainzing the people to seize >power (for their own benifit, not the benifit of their wanna be leaders). >I think that explainaition is required but the language of "game" implying >control is betrays alot. Calling others aents even if you disagree strongly >doesn't help it only plays into the divide and conquer strategy of >Imperialsim. > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into > >the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting >e-mails > >like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee > >reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game >and > >who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > >joe smith > > > >>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > >>To: can_bush@... > >>Subject: fake playaz > >>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > >> > >get your own game, agents. > ><< message3.txt >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "JOSEPH MOSLEY" <joemosley1@...> >Reply-To: NB_CC_TF@yahoogroups.com >To: gpnj-council@yahoogroups.com >CC: gpnj-members@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [NB_CC_TF] Fwd: [GreenMovement] In the words of Martin Luther King >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:11:36 -0400 > > > > > >From: "Jackwraith" <dystopia@...> > >Reply-To: GreenMovement@yahoogroups.com > > > >Subject: [GreenMovement] In the words of Martin Luther King > >Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 12:06:12 -0700 > > > >In The Words of Martin Luther King > > > > > >After visiting "Ground Zero" this past Sunday I found guidance in the >words > >of Martin Luther King, delivered at Riverside Church, New York City, >April > >4th, 1967. > > > >"A time comes when silence is betrayal. Even when pressed by the demands >of > >inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their > >government� > >s policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move >without > >great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within >one�s > >own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover, when the issues at hand > >seem as perplexing as they often do in the case of dreadful conflict, we > >are > >always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty. But we must move > >on." > > > >"Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have > >found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must > >speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our > >limited vision, but we must speak. For we are deeply in need of a new way > >beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." > > > >"We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for the victims >of > >our nation, for those it calls "enemy," for no document from human hands > >can > >make these humans any less our brothers. � I think of them, too, because >it > >is clear to me that there will be no meaningful solution until some >attempt > >is made to know them and hear their broken cries." > > > >"I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world > >revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. >We > >must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a > >person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and > >property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant > >triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of > >being conquered." > > > >"A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of > >war, "This way of settling differences is not just." A nation that > >continues > >year and year to spend more money on military defense that on programs of > >social uplift is approaching spiritual death." > > > >"America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well >lead > >the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic > >death > >wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities over the pursuit of >war." > > > >"This call for a worldwide fellowship that lifts neighborly concern >beyond > >one�s tribe, race, class, and nation is in reality a call for an > >all-embracing and unconditional love for all mankind. We can no longer > >afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. > >The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of >hate. > >History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that > >pursed this self-defeating path of hate." > > > >"We still have a choice today: nonviolent coexistence or violent > >coannihilation. We must move past indecision to action. If we do not act, > >we > >shall surely be dragged down the long, dark, and shameful corridors of >time > >reserved for those who posses power without compassion, might without > >morality, and strength without sight." > > > >"Now let us begin. Now let us rededicate ourselves in the long and >bitter, > >but beautiful struggle for a new world. If we will but make the right > >choice, we will be able to speed up the day, all over America and all >over > >the world, when justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness >like > >a > >mighty stream." > > > >May our country, on the brink of war, take to heart the final refrain of > >"America, the Beautiful": "America! America! God mend thine ev�ry flaw, > >Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law." > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >NB_CC_TF-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
I suspect Paul is concerned that Central Jersey Coalition for Peace has announced a Speak-Out Against US War & Terrorism! for 8pm Wed., 26 Sept., at Brower Commons. Meanwhile his Anti-War Coalition has announced a separate vigil & march for 6pm on the same day, to begin at Douglass College and march to Brower Commons. We endorse his group's efforts and call for unity! Let me assure Paul and whoever else that our event was planned and announced prior to any knowledge of his group's existence. We held a speak-out at the George St. fountain on Sunday, 16 Sept. We co-organized (w/ RU students for Peace) a speak-out at Brower Commons the following Monday, 17 Sept., and held an open meeting at the New Brunswick Library that Wednesday, 19 Sept. to initiate an Anti-War organization (which adopted the name Central Jersey Coalition for Peace). At that meeting we planned the Speak-out for this Wednesday, and a Teach-in for next Wednesday, 3 Oct. (to keep with a weekly Wed. action). We have also announced a Speak-out at the George St. Fountain for 6pm Sunday, 30 Sept. And and open meeting at the NB Library 6pm Thursday, October 11. All our events are open and all are welcome to participate. Apparently, a parallel motion is developing for another Anti-War grouping, in which Paul is involved. We encourage all to unite these parallel groupings into one anti-war effort. There is no lack of work to be done, & the more against war, & the more united, the better! Remember in the US war on Iraq, that 2 anti-war groups were unable to unite and the peace movement was severely weakened. There were 2 separate marches on Washington a week apart! We have expressed to TDegloma of the Anti-War Coalition our concern to unite in every way possible, to support all efforts against US War, and to resolve our disagreements openly and above board. We see nothing that must prevent us from co-operating in our opposition to US aggression and war. unite, don't split! the people vs. imperialism! cliff smith central jersey coalition for peace 732.214.8828 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Supreme Court again
grapples with claims of
inadequate school funding
By RALPH SIEGEL
The Associated Press
9/25/01 10:21 AM
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The state Supreme Court heard
arguments Tuesday on whether the two-decade legal
struggle over school funding will be dragged into a new
millennium.
Lawyers for the Newark-based Education Law Center,
which brought the original lawsuits in the Abbott v. Burke
case, filed papers with the court charging yet again that
state officials have done too little.
This time the alleged failure was in making sure
preschoolers in the poorest districts have adequate
classroom space and programs. But the legal quarrel can
range into all sorts of other issues like delays in school
construction.
Education Law Center attorney David Sciarra said he would
ask the court to appoint a special "master," likely a judge,
to take a direct hand in monitoring state compliance with
the court's earlier mandates.
On the opposite end, the justices could conclude that
Sciarra must file an entirely new lawsuit, which would force
him to start all over again at the county level and would
take years to work its way back up.
In certain respects, the issue before the justices Tuesday
was whether they want to plunge back into what was an
18-year legal mess.
The court made its first ruling in the Abbott string of
opinions in 1990 on a case filed in 1981. It has handed
down several more rulings over the past decade, striking
down various laws as unconstitutional because they did
not create "parity" in funding between poor districts and
the
state's wealthier communities.
In 1998, Supreme Court justices said the state must
provide complete preschool programs for 3- and 4-year-olds
in 30 of the state' poorest district -- the so-called Abbott
districts -- as identified in the first case and by
legislation.
About 28,000 3- and 4-year-olds are registered in full-time
preschool in the 30 districts this fall, up from about
24,000
in full-time and part-time programs last year, state
officials
said. Sciarra claims space was needed for 55,000.
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Judge to announce verdict
Wednesday in trial of
Cincinnati officer who fatally
shot suspect
By JOHN NOLAN
The Associated Press
9/25/01 12:32 PM
CINCINNATI (AP) -- A white police officer who fatally shot
an unarmed black man, sparking riots, was just doing his
job when he pursued the man down a dark alley, a defense
lawyer said.
Defense and prosecution lawyers summed up their cases
Monday in the trial of officer Stephen Roach, who faced
charges of negligent homicide and obstructing official
business in the April 7 shooting of Timothy Thomas.
Roach, 27, could get up to nine months in jail if convicted.
He had pleaded innocent.
Judge Ralph E. Winkler, who heard the trial without a jury,
said he will announce his verdict Wednesday.
Thomas' killing prompted the city's worst racial unrest
since the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination in
1968. A citywide curfew was ordered, dozens of people
were injured and more than 800 were arrested.
Police plan to have additional officers on duty when the
verdict is announced Wednesday but do not expect a
large-scale disturbance.
"We are well aware of what may or may not happen
tomorrow," department spokesman Lt. Kurt Byrd said. "We
expect that we may see small pockets of unrest, but
nothing like we saw in April."
Roach's trial is believed to be the first of a Cincinnati
police
officer for the shooting death of a suspect in the
department's history dating to the late 1800s, Byrd said.
Thomas, 19, had run from three other police officers,
scaled fences and was in a neighborhood plagued by guns,
drug deals and violence, defense lawyer Merlyn
Shiverdecker said.
Roach "was doing what he was trained to do -- chase and
catch the bad guy," Shiverdecker said.
Prosecutor Stephen McIntosh countered that Roach was
wrong to run through the alley with his finger on the
trigger
of his revolver. He also said the officer fired rather than
using other means of stopping the suspect.
Other officers who had been chasing Thomas testified they
had not drawn their weapons or perceived a need to do so,
McIntosh said.
McIntosh also said Roach told homicide investigators
differing versions of what happened on the day of the
shooting and three days later "to salvage his job."
Shiverdecker said police homicide investigators failed to
take into account how the darkness would have affected
Roach's perception, or how the instinctive fear he
experienced when he felt threatened could have affected
what he recalled when he spoke to police about the
shooting.
Shiverdecker said the officer's fear caused him to
involuntarily fire his weapon. He also said the dim light in
the alley affected the officer's sight.
The officer initially told investigators that Thomas made a
threatening move toward him, and he thought Thomas had
a gun. Roach later told investigators that Thomas stepped
around a corner in the alley and startled him, and that the
officer accidentally shot him.
Police later found that Thomas -- who was wanted on 14
charges, including traffic offenses and fleeing from police
to
avoid arrest -- had no weapon.
Roach declined to comment after Monday's arguments. He
did not testify in the trial.
After the trial is over, he faces departmental
administrative
proceedings under which he could face penalties including
firing, Byrd said.
Roach's shooting of Thomas also is to undergo separate,
nonpolice reviews by Cincinnati's Office of Municipal
Investigation and by the city's Citizens Police Review
Panel.
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N.J. Atty General says police
may return to racial profiling
The Associated Press
9/25/01 10:46 AM
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) -- State Attorney General John
Farmer Jr. said New Jerseyans who look Middle Eastern
may be stopped and questioned by state police as a result
of the Sept. 11 attacks.
Farmer made his comments Monday in Woodbridge at a
gathering of Sikhs, who have complained about increased
harassment from authorities. The group called Farmer's
comments a return to racial profiling, something the state
police have been trying to eliminate from its ranks in the
past few years.
"A lot of people who are innocent are going to be
questioned, are going to be looked at with suspicion,"
Farmer told The Star-Ledger for Tuesday editions.
"Everyone has to take a step back and let law enforcement
do what it needs to do to investigate this case."
Moard Abou-Sabe, president of the Arab-American League
of Voters of New Jersey, said such action by authorities is
illegal under the U.S. Constitution.
However, Farmer said a 1999 consent decree between the
state and the U.S. Justice Department about racial profiling
says that stopping motorists based on their ethnicity is OK
when it relates to a specific information about a suspect.
State police have been told by the FBI to be on the lookout
for about 200 Middle Eastern persons that may have
information about the attacks, which left thousands
missing or dead.
"I would ask the (Middle Eastern) community to
understand what's going on," Farmer said. "My message
to law enforcement officers is that they need to be very
respectful in dealing with these communities."
The state American Civil Liberties Union believes the state
could find a better way to help the FBI's investigation.
"Perceived Middle Eastern appearance should not be a
basis for suspicion," said Deborah Jacobs, the group's
executive director. "To just allow for people to be accosted
or interrogated based on the way they look seems to be
against the very spirit of basic freedom."
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Cliff & all- While a campaign event for Ras Baraka will keep me from attending these marches, I would like to second the position to unite these efforts. There's no "get your own game". The Imperialist war machine requires the people to unite against it, and it ain't a game. It's now or, it would seem, never. Send a message that I can read Thursday morning in the Star Liar! Strength in Numbers... Unity & Struggle, Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, onepeoplesproject@egroups.com Subject: [njfo] unite all efforts against imperialist war! Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:17:00 +0000 I suspect Paul is concerned that Central Jersey Coalition for Peace has announced a Speak-Out Against US War & Terrorism! for 8pm Wed., 26 Sept., at Brower Commons. Meanwhile his Anti-War Coalition has announced a separate vigil & march for 6pm on the same day, to begin at Douglass College and march to Brower Commons. We endorse his group's efforts and call for unity! Let me assure Paul and whoever else that our event was planned and announced prior to any knowledge of his group's existence. We held a speak-out at the George St. fountain on Sunday, 16 Sept. We co-organized (w/ RU students for Peace) a speak-out at Brower Commons the following Monday, 17 Sept., and held an open meeting at the New Brunswick Library that Wednesday, 19 Sept. to initiate an Anti-War organization (which adopted the name Central Jersey Coalition for Peace). At that meeting we planned the Speak-out for this Wednesday, and a Teach-in for next Wednesday, 3 Oct. (to keep with a weekly Wed. action). We have also announced a Speak-out at the George St. Fountain for 6pm Sunday, 30 Sept. And and open meeting at the NB Library 6pm Thursday, October 11. All our events are open and all are welcome to participate. Apparently, a parallel motion is developing for another Anti-War grouping, in which Paul is involved. We encourage all to unite these parallel groupings into one anti-war effort. There is no lack of work to be done, & the more against war, & the more united, the better! Remember in the US war on Iraq, that 2 anti-war groups were unable to unite and the peace movement was severely weakened. There were 2 separate marches on Washington a week apart! We have expressed to TDegloma of the Anti-War Coalition our concern to unite in every way possible, to support all efforts against US War, and to resolve our disagreements openly and above board. We see nothing that must prevent us from co-operating in our opposition to US aggression and war. unite, don't split! the people vs. imperialism! cliff smith central jersey coalition for peace 732.214.8828 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
either way paul owes an explaination and U&S edit board was more organized with republicans than with revolutionaries while bush2 bumrushed the popular vote. maybe no one has to explain where U&S the paper and the position was during the 2000 election. maybe matt can just compare me to paul and then blur everything over. maybe keith can quote some passage and tell me that reality only exists in my mind some more - with no reference to the base of the discussion, which is first about me receiving an email from paul calling myself and others agents and second receiving an email from matt telling myself that it is the same thing as me pointing out that U&S had been sabatoged. keith definitely addressed my email from paul - but why not the one from matt? joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this he >meant that >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His mistake >was not >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that >building socialism >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism achieved >through >production. >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a >fact only in >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more voters". >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register as >many voters >as the republicans or the democrats. >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed out >and voters >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. That >is the >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet >Union would >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the >struggle >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles in >the USSR >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He does >a very >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our >practice and >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If we >are truly >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of >"american common >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. Which >is the >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. >Keith > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > who stalls? > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > now then > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > >keithjoseph99@... > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of >Paul > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as >"sabateurs" > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the >paper... > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out >into > > >the > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >like > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply >all > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is >he > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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posted to discussion.org By eastbloc on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 06:10 am: The airwaves and press have been all aflutter with news that should make the CEOs of Continental and Boeing sleep soundly in their mansions : the government will put out $15 billion to prop up the industry. Of course, this all comes on the heels of announced layoffs of 40,000 or more. While the press argues that a few of these companies have stock held by employees, that is little consolation for those who are (or were) living paycheck to paycheck. Many of us don't realize this, but a great number of Americans rely on their next paycheck for their rent, mortgage, food for their children, and so on. They don't have any substantial savings, and being unemployed for a week, not to mention a month, will lead them to the brink of bankruptcy and foreclosure. To evade criticism of yet another volley in the class war, the press will go out of its way to justify to those of us unaffected by the crisis why the corporations get bailed out while the workers get sent into the surplus labor pool (read : the unemployment lines, the welfare lines, and/or the streets.) But conscienscious Americans ought to at very least make a note -- our government represents that which keeps it in power, and that is not democracy, it is capital. Chris
Same old shit...gets tiring, is why. You got reems of explanations over weeks of this debate, but you only want to live within your own conjured invention of recent history. So don't let me burst your bubble. Ok- once more for old times sake, SWORD was right about Frank, 1/2 wrong about Curtis, & totally wrong about U&S. NJFO was split. Minority faction fought for and salvaged U&S, Revo-Demo line & correlating relationship with Baraka. Objectively, the main disruption of rebuilding U&S occured at the two meetings that SWORD attended & in the form of a couple gratuitous "F* You"'s to Amiri. Like I said, same old shit- make your demands on others for self-critisicms and public prostration while not a hint of self-criticism from you & yours. This is the stale continuation of "F*you, Unite!" Paul is wrong, it doesn't make you an "agent" just tough to work with because this is such a waste of time. Anyhow, hope yor rally goes well, and that you manage to get it together with the "RED"s rally...Its important Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:20:37 -0400 either way paul owes an explaination and U&S edit board was more organized with republicans than with revolutionaries while bush2 bumrushed the popular vote. maybe no one has to explain where U&S the paper and the position was during the 2000 election. maybe matt can just compare me to paul and then blur everything over. maybe keith can quote some passage and tell me that reality only exists in my mind some more - with no reference to the base of the discussion, which is first about me receiving an email from paul calling myself and others agents and second receiving an email from matt telling myself that it is the same thing as me pointing out that U&S had been sabatoged. keith definitely addressed my email from paul - but why not the one from matt? joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this he >meant that >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His mistake >was not >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that >building socialism >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism achieved >through >production. >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a >fact only in >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more voters". >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register as >many voters >as the republicans or the democrats. >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed out >and voters >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. That >is the >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet >Union would >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the >struggle >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles in >the USSR >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He does >a very >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our >practice and >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If we >are truly >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of >"american common >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. Which >is the >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. >Keith > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > who stalls? > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > now then > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > >keithjoseph99@... > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of >Paul > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as >"sabateurs" > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the >paper... > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out >into > > >the > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >like > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply >all > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is >he > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
To clarify: The rally and march from Cooper Green to Brower beginning at 6 pm tonight is organized by the Anti War Coalition, not RED. While RED was an integral part of the founding, the steering committee and the coalition itself represents 18 organizations. It's not a RED rally, it's a coalition rally in which RED is a participant, and I wouldn't like to see it defined by internal battles in the New Brunswick-centered Left. -Charlotte
I shouldn't have used the word 'agent'. It doesn't describe can_bush, Cliff, Joe or associates. I was reacting to Cliff and Joe's organizing style. But that's just my opinion. I'm not working with them, so I really don't know what they're up to. Please accept my apology. Paul McGee >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of Paul >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as "sabateurs" >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the paper... > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: Re: fake playaz >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and >who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > >joe smith > >>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >>To: can_bush@... >>Subject: fake playaz >>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 >> >get your own game, agents. ><< message3.txt >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
matt wrote: "NJFO was split. Minority faction fought for and salvaged U&S, Revo-Demo line & correlating relationship with Baraka. Objectively, the main disruption of rebuilding U&S occured at the two meetings that SWORD attended & in the form of a couple gratuitous "F* You"'s to Amiri." what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split have to do with the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the paper's production & political line during '00 election? what couple of fuck you's to amiri are you refering too? and when and under what context did they arise from? because the only time i told amiri to fuck himself is well after 2 issues of the paper where circulating. definitely not gratuitous- but u still trying to pin on me something i have nothing to do with. i was neither a member of U&S edit staff or a member of njfo - you were. Same old Shit because you fail to accept the fact that as a member of an edit board that calls for revolutionaries to unite, win the advanced to communism - you sabatoged this political line and its production. or else WHERE WAS IT? "njfo was split", what are you talking about? matt, you really are full of shit with this arguement. keep up the lies distortion and most of all keep blaming me... after all i was only 1/2 right about waron curtis. joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] SOS-Joe >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:28:54 > >Same old shit...gets tiring, is why. You got reems of explanations over >weeks of this debate, but you only want to live within your own conjured >invention of recent history. So don't let me burst your bubble. Ok- once >more for old times sake, SWORD was right about Frank, 1/2 wrong about >Curtis, & totally wrong about U&S. NJFO was split. Minority faction >fought >for and salvaged U&S, Revo-Demo line & correlating relationship with >Baraka. > Objectively, the main disruption of rebuilding U&S occured at the two >meetings that SWORD attended & in the form of a couple gratuitous "F* >You"'s >to Amiri. Like I said, same old shit- make your demands on others for >self-critisicms and public prostration while not a hint of self-criticism >from you & yours. This is the stale continuation of "F*you, Unite!" Paul >is >wrong, it doesn't make you an "agent" just tough to work with because this >is such a waste of time. Anyhow, hope yor rally goes well, and that you >manage to get it together with the "RED"s rally...Its important > >Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:20:37 -0400 > >either way paul owes an explaination and U&S edit board was more organized >with republicans than with revolutionaries while bush2 bumrushed the >popular >vote. > >maybe no one has to explain where U&S the paper and the position was during >the 2000 election. maybe matt can just compare me to paul and then blur >everything over. maybe keith can quote some passage and tell me that >reality >only exists in my mind some more - with no reference to the base of the >discussion, which is first about me receiving an email from paul calling >myself and others agents and second receiving an email from matt telling >myself that it is the same thing as me pointing out that U&S had been >sabatoged. > >keith definitely addressed my email from paul - but why not the one from >matt? > >joe > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > > > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this >he > >meant that > >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His >mistake > >was not > >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that > >building socialism > >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism >achieved > >through > >production. > >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a > >fact only in > >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more >voters". > >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register >as > >many voters > >as the republicans or the democrats. > >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed >out > >and voters > >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > > > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. >That > >is the > >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet > >Union would > >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the > >struggle > >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles >in > >the USSR > >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He >does > >a very > >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. > >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our > >practice and > >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If we > >are truly > >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of > >"american common > >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. >Which > >is the > >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. > >Keith > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > who stalls? > > > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were > > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > > > now then > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > > >keithjoseph99@... > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement >of > >Paul > > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the >absurd > > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as > >"sabateurs" > > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the > >paper... > > > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out > >into > > > >the > > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting >e-mails > >like > > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >reply > >all > > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who >is > >he > > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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true >From: "Charlotte L. Kates" <ckates@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] SOS-Joe >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:35:03 -0400 (EDT) > > >To clarify: > >The rally and march from Cooper Green to Brower beginning at 6 pm tonight >is organized by the Anti War Coalition, not RED. While RED was an integral >part of the founding, the steering committee and the coalition itself >represents 18 organizations. It's not a RED rally, it's a coalition >rally in which RED is a participant, and I wouldn't like to see it defined >by internal battles in the New Brunswick-centered Left. > >-Charlotte > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
anti-imperialist war is anti-imperialist war. doesn't matter when you clock in, just that the job gets done. you can stick your apology. joe smith >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >To: vivaohio@..., can_bush@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, keithjoseph99@... >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: clarification >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:01:33 +0000 > >I shouldn't have used the word 'agent'. It doesn't describe can_bush, >Cliff, Joe or associates. I was reacting to Cliff and Joe's organizing >style. But that's just my opinion. I'm not working with them, so I really >don't know what they're up to. Please accept my apology. >Paul McGee > > >>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >>To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., >>nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, keithjoseph99@... >>CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >>onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >>Subject: Re: fake playaz >>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 >> >>Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of >>Paul is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the >>absurd campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as >>"sabateurs" while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of >>the paper... >> >>No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt >> >> >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >>To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >>njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >>CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., >>onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >>Subject: Re: fake playaz >>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 >> >>i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >>the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >>like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >>reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and >>who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? >> >>joe smith >> >>>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >>>To: can_bush@... >>>Subject: fake playaz >>>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 >>> >>get your own game, agents. >><< message3.txt >> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., the keyboard of "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> let loose the following undiluted fountain of foolishness: > what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split have to do with > the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the paper's production > & political line during '00 election? Yeah, Joe. What does it mean? Why are you holding this debate on an egroup for New Brunswick progressives? Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the NBHA meeting tonight and what your group is doing in preparation for attending and speaking at the meeting tonight. Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the city council next week, and what SWORD's position is on the zoning amendment change relating to the bank building near city hall that the developers have recently purchased. That's far more interesting to New Brunswick residents than your doctrinal squabble. "All politics is local" - Tip O'Neill, former Speaker of the House.
message: x's 6pm rally: hungerfraud #2speaker, fabw's throughout. they use our bullhorn &deny us speaking opportunity. x/hfraud rally flyers over our rally flyers on campus boards. u&s--invisible. we invite u&s to set an example in leading a 'trend' toward principled anti-imperialist unity. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] unite all efforts against imperialist war! >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:02:06 > >Cliff & all- While a campaign event for Ras Baraka will keep me from >attending these marches, I would like to second the position to unite these >efforts. There's no "get your own game". The Imperialist war machine >requires the people to unite against it, and it ain't a game. It's now or, >it would seem, never. Send a message that I can read Thursday morning in >the Star Liar! Strength in Numbers... > >Unity & Struggle, Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com >Subject: [njfo] unite all efforts against imperialist war! >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:17:00 +0000 > >I suspect Paul is concerned that Central Jersey Coalition for Peace has >announced a Speak-Out Against US War & Terrorism! for 8pm Wed., 26 Sept., >at >Brower Commons. Meanwhile his Anti-War Coalition has announced a separate >vigil & march for 6pm on the same day, to begin at Douglass College and >march to Brower Commons. We endorse his group's efforts and call for >unity! > >Let me assure Paul and whoever else that our event was planned and >announced >prior to any knowledge of his group's existence. We held a speak-out at >the >George St. fountain on Sunday, 16 Sept. We co-organized (w/ RU students >for >Peace) a speak-out at Brower Commons the following Monday, 17 Sept., and >held an open meeting at the New Brunswick Library that Wednesday, 19 Sept. >to initiate an Anti-War organization (which adopted the name Central Jersey >Coalition for Peace). At that meeting we planned the Speak-out for this >Wednesday, and a Teach-in for next Wednesday, 3 Oct. (to keep with a weekly >Wed. action). > >We have also announced a Speak-out at the George St. Fountain for 6pm >Sunday, 30 Sept. And and open meeting at the NB Library 6pm Thursday, >October 11. All our events are open and all are welcome to participate. > >Apparently, a parallel motion is developing for another Anti-War grouping, >in which Paul is involved. We encourage all to unite these parallel >groupings into one anti-war effort. There is no lack of work to be done, & >the more against war, & the more united, the better! > >Remember in the US war on Iraq, that 2 anti-war groups were unable to unite >and the peace movement was severely weakened. There were 2 separate >marches >on Washington a week apart! > >We have expressed to TDegloma of the Anti-War Coalition our concern to >unite >in every way possible, to support all efforts against US War, and to >resolve >our disagreements openly and above board. We see nothing that must prevent >us from co-operating in our opposition to US aggression and war. > >unite, don't split! >the people vs. imperialism! > >cliff smith >central jersey coalition for peace >732.214.8828 > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
"our 'doctranaires' are lazybones" --lenin >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this he >meant that >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His mistake >was not >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that >building socialism >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism achieved >through >production. >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a >fact only in >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more voters". >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register as >many voters >as the republicans or the democrats. >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed out >and voters >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. That >is the >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet >Union would >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the >struggle >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles in >the USSR >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He does >a very >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our >practice and >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If we >are truly >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of >"american common >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. Which >is the >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. >Keith > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > who stalls? > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > now then > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > >keithjoseph99@... > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement of >Paul > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the absurd > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as >"sabateurs" > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the >paper... > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out >into > > >the > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >like > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply >all > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is >he > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
keep on, chris >From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >CC: "njfo list" <njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [nbpc] We bail out the airline industry -- not those laid off by >it >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:01:17 -0400 > >posted to discussion.org > >By eastbloc on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 06:10 am: > >The airwaves and press have been all aflutter with news that should make >the >CEOs of Continental and Boeing sleep soundly in their mansions : the >government will put out $15 billion to prop up the industry. > >Of course, this all comes on the heels of announced layoffs of 40,000 or >more. While the press argues that a few of these companies have stock held >by employees, that is little consolation for those who are (or were) living >paycheck to paycheck. > >Many of us don't realize this, but a great number of Americans rely on >their >next paycheck for their rent, mortgage, food for their children, and so on. >They don't have any substantial savings, and being unemployed for a week, >not to mention a month, will lead them to the brink of bankruptcy and >foreclosure. > >To evade criticism of yet another volley in the class war, the press will >go >out of its way to justify to those of us unaffected by the crisis why the >corporations get bailed out while the workers get sent into the surplus >labor pool (read : the unemployment lines, the welfare lines, and/or the >streets.) But conscienscious Americans ought to at very least make a note >-- >our government represents that which keeps it in power, and that is not >democracy, it is capital. > >Chris > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
if we was '1/2 wrong' about curtis, that's 1/2 more right than you. but no- he's outed & we called it. ?--where was u&s during the entire bush election year while you was chillin w/ republicans? burst my bubble. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] SOS-Joe >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:28:54 > >Same old shit...gets tiring, is why. You got reems of explanations over >weeks of this debate, but you only want to live within your own conjured >invention of recent history. So don't let me burst your bubble. Ok- once >more for old times sake, SWORD was right about Frank, 1/2 wrong about >Curtis, & totally wrong about U&S. NJFO was split. Minority faction >fought >for and salvaged U&S, Revo-Demo line & correlating relationship with >Baraka. > Objectively, the main disruption of rebuilding U&S occured at the two >meetings that SWORD attended & in the form of a couple gratuitous "F* >You"'s >to Amiri. Like I said, same old shit- make your demands on others for >self-critisicms and public prostration while not a hint of self-criticism >from you & yours. This is the stale continuation of "F*you, Unite!" Paul >is >wrong, it doesn't make you an "agent" just tough to work with because this >is such a waste of time. Anyhow, hope yor rally goes well, and that you >manage to get it together with the "RED"s rally...Its important > >Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:20:37 -0400 > >either way paul owes an explaination and U&S edit board was more organized >with republicans than with revolutionaries while bush2 bumrushed the >popular >vote. > >maybe no one has to explain where U&S the paper and the position was during >the 2000 election. maybe matt can just compare me to paul and then blur >everything over. maybe keith can quote some passage and tell me that >reality >only exists in my mind some more - with no reference to the base of the >discussion, which is first about me receiving an email from paul calling >myself and others agents and second receiving an email from matt telling >myself that it is the same thing as me pointing out that U&S had been >sabatoged. > >keith definitely addressed my email from paul - but why not the one from >matt? > >joe > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > > > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this >he > >meant that > >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His >mistake > >was not > >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that > >building socialism > >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism >achieved > >through > >production. > >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a > >fact only in > >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more >voters". > >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register >as > >many voters > >as the republicans or the democrats. > >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed >out > >and voters > >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > > > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. >That > >is the > >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet > >Union would > >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the > >struggle > >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles >in > >the USSR > >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He >does > >a very > >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. > >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our > >practice and > >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If we > >are truly > >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of > >"american common > >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. >Which > >is the > >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. > >Keith > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > who stalls? > > > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were > > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > > > now then > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > > >keithjoseph99@... > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement >of > >Paul > > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the >absurd > > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as > >"sabateurs" > > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the > >paper... > > > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out > >into > > > >the > > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting >e-mails > >like > > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >reply > >all > > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who >is > >he > > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
we salute yr successful rally & continue our call for unity toward further anti-imperialist success. speak-out against us war & terrorism! 6pm, sunday, george st. fountain >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] SOS-Joe >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:13:27 -0400 > >true > > > >From: "Charlotte L. Kates" <ckates@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] SOS-Joe > >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 09:35:03 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > >To clarify: > > > >The rally and march from Cooper Green to Brower beginning at 6 pm tonight > >is organized by the Anti War Coalition, not RED. While RED was an >integral > >part of the founding, the steering committee and the coalition itself > >represents 18 organizations. It's not a RED rally, it's a coalition > >rally in which RED is a participant, and I wouldn't like to see it >defined > >by internal battles in the New Brunswick-centered Left. > > > >-Charlotte > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Prosecutor fights new trial for New
Brunswick officers in brothel case
09/26/01
BY DORE CARROLL
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
New and contrary claims of a key witness in the case
against two New
Brunswick police officers convicted of running a
brothel are malicious and
unbelievable, an assistant Middlesex County prosecutor
said in court
papers filed yesterday.
In arguing that officers James Marshall and Marco
Chinchilla do not
deserve a new trial, Assistant Prosecutor William Lamb
attacked the
credibility of the state's witness who linked the pair
to a bordello during
the trial and has since changed his story.
Lamb said the witness, Robert Rogers, only recanted his
courtroom
testimony in May after prosecutors rejected his plea
for help in getting
released from the Middlesex County jail.
Rogers had been arrested for assault in South
Plainfield after hitting his
girlfriend in the head with an ashtray. The girlfriend,
Katherine Saddler,
was the first person to tip authorities off to Marshall
and Chinchilla's
involvement in the Jersey Avenue bordello known as
Studio 121, and she
also testified at their trial.
Rogers now claims that Assistant Middlesex County
Prosecutor Lawrence
Welle and investigator Virgil Angelini coached him on
how to testify,
pointed out photographs of the officers, and helped him
identify a third
man, Luis Posadas, who also was convicted of operating
the house of
prostitution.
Rogers, an admitted drug abuser who is serving time in
state prison for a
criminal conviction in Union County, also said Welle
drove him past a city
bodega and told him to identify it as the place
Marshall sent him to buy
condoms for the bordello.
Marshall and Chinchilla, both 16-year veterans of the
New Brunswick
Police Department, were convicted in October and
sentenced to four and
three years in prison, respectively. They remain free
while their convictions
are being appealed.
Their defense attorneys have asked for a new trial
based on the jailhouse
statement that Rogers gave to his attorney, Timothy
Howes of Raritan, in
June.
Marshall's attorney, Alan Zegas of Chatham, said
Rogers' statement is
credible because he had nothing to gain by recanting
his testimony.
"Because he has no motivation to lie, it makes his
recantation more
trustworthy," said Zegas, adding that by refuting his
own sworn testimony,
Rogers subjects himself to charges of perjury.
But Lamb, who took over the prosecution because Welle
is the subject of
Rogers' misconduct allegations, said Rogers' statement
"injured the
professional reputation of the men who brought the
accused to justice.
The jury's verdict did much to strip away the facade of
innocence
constructed by the defense."
Lamb also cited evidence separate from Rogers'
testimony that linked the
pair to the brothel, including an index card on which a
New Brunswick
police detective wrote the pager numbers of the men
whom Saddler,
calling in a tip, said were in charge of the brothel.
The numbers turned
out to belong to Marshall and Chinchilla.
Zegas and Chinchilla's attorney, Barry Albin of
Woodbridge, have issued
subpoenas to obtain personnel records from Welle's past
employers, the
Ocean County Prosecutor's Office and the state Attorney
General's
Office.
The prosecutor has attempted to block those subpoenas,
and Superior
Court Judge Barnett Hoffman, who presides in New
Brunswick, will hear
the matter next month.
Rogers' statement was made public just as Marshall was
poised to stand
trial on a second set of charges accusing him of
selling narcotics officers'
work schedules to drug dealers and profiting from their
sales.
Dore Carroll covers the Middlesex County Courthouse.
She can be
reached at dcarroll@... or at (732)
249-5670.
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Cliff's Myth- 1/2 wrong because while being 1/2 right about his party affiliation you missed the principle issue- which was to "save the patient, kill the disease." The rest is history- attacking a working class dude publically as a fascistic imperialist, I mean really...you're lucky I give you only 1/2 credit for being wrong. The man was listening to Amiri, reading DuBois w/ us, with the Coalition for 4 years....anyway, this is same of shit too. Rest on U&S answered over njfo egroup at the request of nbpc list members. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] SOS-Joe Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 01:11:14 +0000 if we was '1/2 wrong' about curtis, that's 1/2 more right than you. but no- he's outed & we called it. ?--where was u&s during the entire bush election year while you was chillin w/ republicans? burst my bubble. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] SOS-Joe >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:28:54 > >Same old shit...gets tiring, is why. You got reems of explanations over >weeks of this debate, but you only want to live within your own conjured >invention of recent history. So don't let me burst your bubble. Ok- once >more for old times sake, SWORD was right about Frank, 1/2 wrong about >Curtis, & totally wrong about U&S. NJFO was split. Minority faction >fought >for and salvaged U&S, Revo-Demo line & correlating relationship with >Baraka. > Objectively, the main disruption of rebuilding U&S occured at the two >meetings that SWORD attended & in the form of a couple gratuitous "F* >You"'s >to Amiri. Like I said, same old shit- make your demands on others for >self-critisicms and public prostration while not a hint of self-criticism >from you & yours. This is the stale continuation of "F*you, Unite!" Paul >is >wrong, it doesn't make you an "agent" just tough to work with because this >is such a waste of time. Anyhow, hope yor rally goes well, and that you >manage to get it together with the "RED"s rally...Its important > >Matt > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:20:37 -0400 > >either way paul owes an explaination and U&S edit board was more organized >with republicans than with revolutionaries while bush2 bumrushed the >popular >vote. > >maybe no one has to explain where U&S the paper and the position was during >the 2000 election. maybe matt can just compare me to paul and then blur >everything over. maybe keith can quote some passage and tell me that >reality >only exists in my mind some more - with no reference to the base of the >discussion, which is first about me receiving an email from paul calling >myself and others agents and second receiving an email from matt telling >myself that it is the same thing as me pointing out that U&S had been >sabatoged. > >keith definitely addressed my email from paul - but why not the one from >matt? > >joe > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > > > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this >he > >meant that > >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His >mistake > >was not > >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that > >building socialism > >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism >achieved > >through > >production. > >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a > >fact only in > >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more >voters". > >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register >as > >many voters > >as the republicans or the democrats. > >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed >out > >and voters > >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > > > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. >That > >is the > >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet > >Union would > >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the > >struggle > >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles >in > >the USSR > >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He >does > >a very > >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. > >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our > >practice and > >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If we > >are truly > >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of > >"american common > >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. >Which > >is the > >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. > >Keith > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > who stalls? > > > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you were > > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > > > now then > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > > >keithjoseph99@... > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement >of > >Paul > > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the >absurd > > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as > >"sabateurs" > > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the > >paper... > > > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out > >into > > > >the > > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting >e-mails > >like > > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >reply > >all > > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who >is > >he > > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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keith, you want me to thank paul because he's gunna stop callin' me an agent? >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, "njfo@egroups.com" ><njfo@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [njfo] Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 11:12:17 -0500 > >I think that you are quoting Mao. You might want to read that essay. >Speaking of >doctrinaires and lazybones. >Mao is speaking of people who refuse to study and prefer repeating slogans >over and >over. >However, Lenin did say without revolutionary theory there is no >revolutionary >movemnt. Which is precisely the problem that we are facing. We have >productionists on >our left and on our right, both sides refuse to deal in any serious way >with >revolutionary theory. Both our rightists and our "leftists" refuse to >unite. on the >left we get "stick your apology, but unite and "fuck you, unite" and on the >right "we >have to distance ourselves". It is making me sick. We are facing the rise >of fascism >and world war 3. If you tell people "fuck you" (or compare them to people >who have >just commited atrocities) expect them not to unite with you. If Mao and >Lenin haven't >made that clear that's because they probably expected you to learn that in >kindergarden.(By the way Lenin criticized anarchism but he also went out of >his way to >organize with anarchists and to get them involved in the activity of the >Soviet >Governement). > I suspect that your comment "lazybones" is meant to be a critique of >"U&S >invisibility". I would have liked the paper to be there, in fact we went to >Brower >commons, and were there alone. We have limited resources and limited time. >If you >think that is lazy, who cares.We are not selling girl scout cookies for >merit badges. >I certainly think that there is laziness on yr end, that is a refusal to >deal in any >serious way with revolutionary theory and facts, replacing it with opinion >and >speculations. If you believe that Marxism is a scienec then you should >study it like >one. The living soul of marxism is the concrete analysis of concret >conditions. > >I am not against working with h-fraud against the war, however it is >certainly >suspicious that no one wants to "distance themselves" from him. His boycott >elections/nader line may be more congenial. Nonetheless, ignoring lessons >from >kindergarten doesn't help. A good organizer is not someone who hands out >the most >papers or registers the most voters, a good organizer is someone who can >unite people >around a revolutionary political line. You can sell a million cookies but >still your >activity has done more to dis-unite (or at least give enough pre-texts to >make >splitting easy) than uniting. > >If you are intersted in haveing a discussion around these things, I will be >happy to >respond. If you are just going to keep on defending your activity without >any thought >of self-criticism or serious study then I would prefer not to waste anymore >time. > >Keith > >cliff smith wrote: > > > "our 'doctranaires' are lazybones" > > --lenin > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 1980 07:09:10 -0500 > > > > > >I think that it was Kruschev whoannounced "we will crush you". By this >he > > >meant that > > >the Soviet Union will produce more stuff than the capitalists. His >mistake > > >was not > > >that he was wrong about that; his mistake was that he believed that > > >building socialism > > >was essentially the same as building capitalism. That is socialism >achieved > > >through > > >production. > > >This is the essence of your line "we get out more than you" (which is a > > >fact only in > > >your mind); it was the same point made earlier, "I register more >voters". > > >You don't get out as many papers as the NY Times and you don't register >as > > >many voters > > >as the republicans or the democrats. > > >So if your measure of correctness is based on numbers of papers handed >out > > >and voters > > >registered than the bourgeois are better revolutionaries than you. > > > > > >This line has been talked about quite a bit recently. It is economism. >That > > >is the > > >belief that production equals transformation. The line that the Soviet > > >Union would > > >"build socialism" through industrialization. Leninism developed in the > > >struggle > > >against economism, if you are interested you might read Class Struggles >in > > >the USSR > > >volume 1 by Charlie Bettleheim. (they got it at Alexander Libary). He >does > > >a very > > >thorough exposure of the line taht you are advocating. > > >I hope that you can find time to read it, it would be nice to base our > > >practice and > > >discussion on revolutionary theory rather than empricist opinions. If >we > > >are truly > > >interested in self-criticism we might try to consider the effect of > > >"american common > > >sense" on our thinking. The essence of which is american pragmatism. >Which > > >is the > > >theory that is practiced widely in New Brunswick. > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > >cliff smith wrote: > > > > > > > who stalls? > > > > > > > > you sat on that paper for the whole bush election year while you >were > > > > chillin w/ republicans. > > > > > > > > &we still get out more u&s' than yall. > > > > > > > > now then > > > > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com > > > > >To: can_bush@..., shorepaulie@..., > > > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@egroups.com, > > > > >keithjoseph99@... > > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: fake playaz > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:27:14 > > > > > > > > > >Joe- Just some thoughts. While the judgement behind this statement >of > > >Paul > > > > >is questionable, I would ask you if it is any different from the >absurd > > > > >campaign you & yours led attacking U&S edit Board members as > > >"sabateurs" > > > > >while succeeding only in stalling out the ongoing progress of the > > >paper... > > > > > > > > > >No need to respond. Just to consider. Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > > >To: shorepaulie@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, > > > > >njfo@egroups.com, vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... > > > > >CC: coalitionforjustice@egroups.com, amirib@..., > > > > >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com > > > > >Subject: Re: fake playaz > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:24:18 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out > > >into > > > > >the > > > > >open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting >e-mails > > >like > > > > >this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >reply > > >all > > > > >and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and >who is > > >he > > > > >calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? > > > > > > > > > >joe smith > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> > > > > > >To: can_bush@... > > > > > >Subject: fake playaz > > > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 > > > > > > > > > > >get your own game, agents. > > > > ><< message3.txt >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups march in protest of war at rally By: Melissa Hayes, Staff Writer 09/26/01 -------------------------- Over 100 anti-war protesters assembled on Cooper Green on the Douglass campus to rally for peace last night. The group ended the rally at the Vietnam Memorial on the College Avenue campus after marching down George Street and receiving opposition from the New Brunswick Police Department. After several speakers spoke at Cooper Green, the group took signs, with phrases such as, �Islam is not the enemy� and �War is also terrorism,� and marched from Cooper Green to George Street, chanting �No war, no racism.� A dispatcher came over a New Brunswick Police Department radio to alert officers that a rally was marching down George Street and police cars in the area should escort the crowd. Despite the dispatch, a police officer detained Tom DeGloma, a graduate student majoring in sociology, accusing him of being the leader of the rally. Although DeGloma is a member of the Anti-war Coalition and Radical Expansion of Democracy Collective, he was not the leader of the crowd, DeGloma said, adding that he told police the group was a coalition of many groups and that there was no one leader. They held him for about 15 minutes, and said they would send him charges in the mail. The crowd marched down George Street, with NBPD escorts, and handed out information to people on the sidewalks who were watching the crowd march by. When the rally reached Church Street, a police officer blocked the road in an attempt to get the crowd off the street and onto the sidewalk as it approached the intersection at George Street and Rte. 27. The police blasted their sirens and drove closer to the sidewalk in an attempt to push the crowd off the road. At the intersection of Hamilton and George Streets, the police blocked the road, preventing the march from continuing down George Street. The protesters then turned onto Hamilton Street and Easton Avenue to the Vietnam Memorial screaming, �Who�s streets? Our streets!� �It�s so inspiring to see so many people march together,� said Cecilia Joulain, a Douglass College sophomore and member of the Women�s Defense Coalition. �I don�t see what war can do but intensify the situation.� DeGloma spoke about his detainment and about the march. �We just made a statement.� Rizwan Chaudhry, a University College senior, questioned, �Why don�t they attack the racism throughout this nation?� Christina Bass, a member of the RED Coalition and a University graduate, said, �If we bomb other nations, I�ll be afraid to walk down the street because of who�s going to retaliate.� She said people need to educate themselves to understand the current events and not �have blind faith in anything.� Christian Stasse, a Rutgers College sophomore and a member of the Marine Corps, said he was �disgusted� by the rally. �I am willing to risk my life for the good of the country.� Stasse said that although he is now a reserve, he is on stand-by and is ready for war. Peter Reuss, a College of Engineering senior, said he briefly attended the rally because he was curious about the protesters� reasons for opposing war after the attacks that occurred Sept. 11. He said their arguments make sense. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
Opinion was a waste of paper By: 09/27/01 -------------------------- The presence of absolutely radical letters and editorials in The Daily Targum is not in the least bit shocking. In fact, it is almost an everyday occurrence. What was surprising was when the Targum reached an all-time low in printing Cliff Smith�s letter to the editor (The Daily Targum, Sept. 24). Smith had the audacity to state that the �illegitimate Bush regime� had no proof that foreign madmen were responsible for the horrendous attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. What was even more unbelievable was his implication that the CIA was behind the attack comparing it to when Hitler�s thugs burned the Reichstag before he became chancellor in 1933. It really is amusing to listen to completely self-righteous America-haters like Smith go on about the U.S. being a �fake democracy,� especially someone who is a member of some supposed Organization for Revolutionary Democracy who undoubtedly utilizes the first amendment (of this country which he despises) to his fullest advantage. Smith proved his lack of touch with even the smallest drop of common sense when he used the example of the two New Brunswick cops convicted of running a brothel as proof of government corruption and history repeating itself. This ridiculous non sequitur easily demonstrated Smith�s complete lack of any real knowledge of this country�s history or affairs, and a real disrespect for all of those who died and came to the aid of those in need in the days following the attack. Smith himself is not alarming since any free-thinking, rational person can see his statements are ridiculous. However, the shame lies in the fact that the Targum chose to waste space in our school paper by printing such a foolish and unintelligent letter. Michael De Matos LC � -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
Though this response is a bit late, this list of songs was not banned from
the airwaves. It was a grass-roots suggestion among the clear channel
program directors. I work in radio and I have been receiving TONS of info
about this in the trades -- high controversy. What started out as an effort
to be more sensitive, on one person's part, quickly snowballed into
absurdity. There was no edict issued from the corporate office, though a
suggestion did emanate from there. List or no list, listen to your radio --
every station's playlist has changed. Even at adult contemporary stations
like mine -- people are just trying to be sensitive (though the whole notion
is kind of silly). Though I am not a supporter of Clear Channel's corporate
stranglehold on radio in America, I did want to set the record straight for
this listserve. Thanks.
*rob bertrand*
From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 10:21:11 -0500
Can we get the complete list of songs. We should resist this immediately, it
is a good
issue to organize youth around and if we don't resist, Bush will put us on
the fascism
fast track.
Matthew Smith wrote:
> It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating with
> Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were wrong.
> Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
> >
> > September 19, 2001
> >
> > THE POP LIFE
> >
> > After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
> >
> > By NEIL STRAUSS
> >
> > Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns about
> > 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150 songs
> > and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the attacks
> > on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> >
> > Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as the
> > Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up the
> > Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> > less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> > tragedies.
> >
> > These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by the
> > Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> > songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> > Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> > Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> > could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge Over
> > Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat Stevens
> > and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
> >
> > The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> > than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary. Many
> > stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> > disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
> >
> > Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> > suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> > someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> > after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But 'I
> > can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true in
> > crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> > and could only be helpful right now."
> >
> > A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> > mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> > said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> > grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> > directors."
> >
> > Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> > anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> > list of questionable songs was originally generated by the corporate
> > office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> > suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued
> > to grow.
> >
> > Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to station.
> > Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM)
> > in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> > songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs, "Jumper"
> > by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On the
> > other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> > personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs on
> > the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> > happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> > meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even though
> > they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> > collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that
> > had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
> >
> > In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> > wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of national
> > safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts, which
> > could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> > man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case the
> > interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> > enemy in words or song.
> >
> > The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> > safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health, though
> > First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> > blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> > terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear Channel
> > said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously songs
> > on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael Stark, a
> > freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on the
> > ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used to
> > heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> > they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
> >
> > In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are mentioned
> > for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock group
> > Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> > "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
> >
> > Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> > e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind of
> > horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred in
> > the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> > terms."
> >
> > "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is that
> > they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that breeds
> > intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> > extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead to
> > the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
> >
> > Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> > Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this was
> > just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> > politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict access
> > to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President Bush
> > said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this could
> > potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed from
> > the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs about
> > flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove all
> > the songs about trains and whatever else?"
> >
> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >
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Thanks for the clarification- but correct me if I'm wrong: You're Clear
Channel corporate strangleholders are the same Clear Channel grass-roots
merely trying to be sensitive? Sounds to me like censorship. If you don't
know, fascism has been historically an outgrowth of finance capital in a
state of crisis, ergo---
-Matt
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:58:07
Though this response is a bit late, this list of songs was not banned from
the airwaves. It was a grass-roots suggestion among the clear channel
program directors. I work in radio and I have been receiving TONS of info
about this in the trades -- high controversy. What started out as an effort
to be more sensitive, on one person's part, quickly snowballed into
absurdity. There was no edict issued from the corporate office, though a
suggestion did emanate from there. List or no list, listen to your radio --
every station's playlist has changed. Even at adult contemporary stations
like mine -- people are just trying to be sensitive (though the whole notion
is kind of silly). Though I am not a supporter of Clear Channel's corporate
stranglehold on radio in America, I did want to set the record straight for
this listserve. Thanks.
*rob bertrand*
From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 10:21:11 -0500
Can we get the complete list of songs. We should resist this immediately, it
is a good
issue to organize youth around and if we don't resist, Bush will put us on
the fascism
fast track.
Matthew Smith wrote:
> It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating with
> Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were wrong.
> Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
> >
> > September 19, 2001
> >
> > THE POP LIFE
> >
> > After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
> >
> > By NEIL STRAUSS
> >
> > Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns about
> > 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150 songs
> > and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the attacks
> > on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> >
> > Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as the
> > Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up the
> > Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> > less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> > tragedies.
> >
> > These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by the
> > Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> > songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> > Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> > Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> > could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge Over
> > Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat Stevens
> > and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
> >
> > The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> > than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary. Many
> > stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> > disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
> >
> > Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> > suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> > someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> > after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But 'I
> > can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true in
> > crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> > and could only be helpful right now."
> >
> > A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> > mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> > said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> > grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> > directors."
> >
> > Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> > anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> > list of questionable songs was originally generated by the corporate
> > office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> > suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued
> > to grow.
> >
> > Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to station.
> > Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM)
> > in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> > songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs, "Jumper"
> > by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On the
> > other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> > personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs on
> > the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> > happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> > meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even though
> > they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> > collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that
> > had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
> >
> > In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> > wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of national
> > safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts, which
> > could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> > man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case the
> > interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> > enemy in words or song.
> >
> > The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> > safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health, though
> > First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> > blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> > terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear Channel
> > said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously songs
> > on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael Stark, a
> > freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on the
> > ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used to
> > heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> > they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
> >
> > In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are mentioned
> > for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock group
> > Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> > "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
> >
> > Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> > e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind of
> > horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred in
> > the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> > terms."
> >
> > "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is that
> > they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that breeds
> > intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> > extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead to
> > the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
> >
> > Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> > Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this was
> > just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> > politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict access
> > to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President Bush
> > said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this could
> > potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed from
> > the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs about
> > flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove all
> > the songs about trains and whatever else?"
> >
> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >
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Keith, Your views about the role of national and international politics in a local electoral campaign are certainly principled, and are entitled to respect. I have considered them carefully, but I don't fully share them. Not agreeing with your views does not bespeak a failure to be self-critical, but just an honest disagreement with your conclusions. I would ask you to consider this: the local Democratic Party candidates did not speak of national or international issues, but they won, i.e. they received more votes than we did. Obviously, their failure to address national and international issues was not fatal to their electoral campaign, but you seem to say that it was fatal or at least injurious as to NBPC. I must confess that I don't follow the causal chain there. I believe that in most local elections, the same is true, i.e. that the victors do not talk about national and international issues, but local issues, i.e. how they will reduce local taxes, increase school test scores, promote responsible development, keep an eye on the police. There are exceptions when the local populace has shown a pre- existing interest in national and international events. E.g., running in Edison, one might expect a candidate to weigh in on the U.S. role in the India-Pakistan conflict, or running in Union City, the local candidate might weigh in on the federal government's Cuba embargo policy. That is why it would be correct for a New Brunswick candidate to weigh in on Attorney General John Farmer, Peter Verniero, and on racial profiling by the state police, or on the use of Vieques, PR as a military training facility by the Navy and Marine Corps. Specifically, substantial portions of the local population have a pre- existing interest in these national/international issues. But that candidate had better know and spend most of her time talking about local issues, e.g. the hospital expansion, the abysmal board of ed., the NBHA's transfer of land worth $4 million to developers and nonpublic entities without sufficient contractual safeguards. Besides staying on-message, it also helps to stay positive, without the regular use of angry rhetoric. In sum, I don't deny the need to speak about issues beyond NB, but it ought to be targeted to win over the voters, i.e. the people who will decide whether our candidates or our issues win or lose, and persuade them to flip the lever for us or those we endorse on November 6, 2001 and November 5, 2002. That said, where were NBPC's members and friends on Wednesday night? At an anti-war rally (expressing a view shared by a whopping ten percent of the electorate as measured by reputable polls). Not at the Housing Authority, meeting with local residents, empathizing with them, speaking out on their behalf, getting press in the name of NBPC. What are the plans of NBPC's members and friends to complete our petition-gathering on the Democracy and Accountability Ordinance? How many NBPC members have gotten themselves appointed as poll watchers on election day (46 days away), so we can 'learn the ropes' in preparation for the 2002 run? Where was the NBPC response to Borraie's acquistion of the bank on Bayard Street? (See http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,449339,00.html ) Therein lies the key problem. The terrorist attacks and the response of government (including authorizing profiling, new surveillance powers, etc.) are important issues and are clearly much more than the activist fad of the week. But we are ignoring our local base to respond to them. If we are not self-critical about how we are ignoring -- even abandoning -- our local platform to that, we who have sworn loyalty to this group have made an even greater error. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > Flavio, > I think taht the recent events have made it clear enough that while "all politics is > local" that doesn't mean that international and national events and issues are not > played out locally. All politics is local means that everything that is > "international" is local to social groups who are taking part, it only becomes > international if we here about it. I think that issues local to New Brunswick still > need to be adresssed, at the same tiome the a\whole world is rapidly changing and we > are certainly on teh precipe of disaster, fascism and world war. There is talk of > appointing Guilainai to another term in NYC, Racial profiling is now being hailed as a > correct response, vigilantism is running rampid. Now is not teh time to stick our > heads in the sand. The exclusion of international and natioanl politics in teh > People's campaign last effort is now proving to have been a serious dis-service to the > people who wer were trying to organize, to people who we might have given soem of teh > ideological tools to understand what is happening in the world. We didn't do that. > That was a very serious mistake. It is too bad that the campaign could not realize > this and was allowed to nearly dis-intergrate by the refusal to be self-critical. > > Keith > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., the keyboard of "joseph smith" > > <can_bush@h...> let loose the following undiluted fountain of > > foolishness: > > > > > what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split have > > to do with > > > the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the paper's > > production > > > & political line during '00 election? > > > > Yeah, Joe. What does it mean? Why are you holding this debate on an > > egroup for New Brunswick progressives? Please explain to me what's > > on the agenda for the NBHA meeting tonight and what your group is > > doing in preparation for attending and speaking at the meeting > > tonight. Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the city > > council next week, and what SWORD's position is on the zoning > > amendment change relating to the bank building near city hall that > > the developers have recently purchased. > > > > That's far more interesting to New Brunswick residents than your > > doctrinal squabble. > > > > "All politics is local" - Tip O'Neill, former Speaker of the House. > >
Flavio- While you're correct that we must remain on point with local issues, NB trends do not exist in isolation. The NBPC did a great diservice to the people of the city by not using the opportunities afforded by electoral campaign to rise greater awareness of how their problems relate to trends nationally and internationally. To this end, I foward a recent response from Baraka to a similar position as yours...Try not to hold your nose when you read it. (you too Kazlowski) -Matt In a message dated 9/19/01 5:40:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kalamu writes: We need to avoid leftwing rhetoric and revolutionary posturing, be concrete and address actual issues on the public agenda and not make premature anticipations or apocalyptic predictions. Internally we need to try to see as far ahead as possible and try to go deep analytically in order to be as prepared as possible, but externally we need to speak to facts on the ground, avoid concepts or images that are adamantly rejected by even peace loving people, and avoid prematurely polarizing with potential allies. All this while still drawing firm lines against the right. Baraka's response, It is this intellectually lazy "timidity" that has got us to the brink of war and economic disaster. Either we grasp and mobilize the people around Revolutionary Democratic Struggle, or we will be in Weimar 1933-1/2 Will this person read anyone. Dimitroff, a good beginning.....Du Bois on American in the 50's Fidel 's speech on Bushwacker declaration of Dead or Alive, With us or With the Terrorists" as a declaration of US imp intention to make the world a military dictatorship!?? Or read "The Weimar Casebook" U of Calif and he'll see himself, about to get wasted! Amiri Baraka ----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re:] SOS-Joe Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:10:49 -0000 Keith, Your views about the role of national and international politics in a local electoral campaign are certainly principled, and are entitled to respect. I have considered them carefully, but I don't fully share them. Not agreeing with your views does not bespeak a failure to be self-critical, but just an honest disagreement with your conclusions. I would ask you to consider this: the local Democratic Party candidates did not speak of national or international issues, but they won, i.e. they received more votes than we did. Obviously, their failure to address national and international issues was not fatal to their electoral campaign, but you seem to say that it was fatal or at least injurious as to NBPC. I must confess that I don't follow the causal chain there. I believe that in most local elections, the same is true, i.e. that the victors do not talk about national and international issues, but local issues, i.e. how they will reduce local taxes, increase school test scores, promote responsible development, keep an eye on the police. There are exceptions when the local populace has shown a pre- existing interest in national and international events. E.g., running in Edison, one might expect a candidate to weigh in on the U.S. role in the India-Pakistan conflict, or running in Union City, the local candidate might weigh in on the federal government's Cuba embargo policy. That is why it would be correct for a New Brunswick candidate to weigh in on Attorney General John Farmer, Peter Verniero, and on racial profiling by the state police, or on the use of Vieques, PR as a military training facility by the Navy and Marine Corps. Specifically, substantial portions of the local population have a pre- existing interest in these national/international issues. But that candidate had better know and spend most of her time talking about local issues, e.g. the hospital expansion, the abysmal board of ed., the NBHA's transfer of land worth $4 million to developers and nonpublic entities without sufficient contractual safeguards. Besides staying on-message, it also helps to stay positive, without the regular use of angry rhetoric. In sum, I don't deny the need to speak about issues beyond NB, but it ought to be targeted to win over the voters, i.e. the people who will decide whether our candidates or our issues win or lose, and persuade them to flip the lever for us or those we endorse on November 6, 2001 and November 5, 2002. That said, where were NBPC's members and friends on Wednesday night? At an anti-war rally (expressing a view shared by a whopping ten percent of the electorate as measured by reputable polls). Not at the Housing Authority, meeting with local residents, empathizing with them, speaking out on their behalf, getting press in the name of NBPC. What are the plans of NBPC's members and friends to complete our petition-gathering on the Democracy and Accountability Ordinance? How many NBPC members have gotten themselves appointed as poll watchers on election day (46 days away), so we can 'learn the ropes' in preparation for the 2002 run? Where was the NBPC response to Borraie's acquistion of the bank on Bayard Street? (See http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,449339,00.html ) Therein lies the key problem. The terrorist attacks and the response of government (including authorizing profiling, new surveillance powers, etc.) are important issues and are clearly much more than the activist fad of the week. But we are ignoring our local base to respond to them. If we are not self-critical about how we are ignoring -- even abandoning -- our local platform to that, we who have sworn loyalty to this group have made an even greater error. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > Flavio, > I think taht the recent events have made it clear enough that while "all politics is > local" that doesn't mean that international and national events and issues are not > played out locally. All politics is local means that everything that is > "international" is local to social groups who are taking part, it only becomes > international if we here about it. I think that issues local to New Brunswick still > need to be adresssed, at the same tiome the a\whole world is rapidly changing and we > are certainly on teh precipe of disaster, fascism and world war. There is talk of > appointing Guilainai to another term in NYC, Racial profiling is now being hailed as a > correct response, vigilantism is running rampid. Now is not teh time to stick our > heads in the sand. The exclusion of international and natioanl politics in teh > People's campaign last effort is now proving to have been a serious dis-service to the > people who wer were trying to organize, to people who we might have given soem of teh > ideological tools to understand what is happening in the world. We didn't do that. > That was a very serious mistake. It is too bad that the campaign could not realize > this and was allowed to nearly dis-intergrate by the refusal to be self-critical. > > Keith > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., the keyboard of "joseph smith" > > <can_bush@h...> let loose the following undiluted fountain of > > foolishness: > > > > > what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split have > > to do with > > > the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the paper's > > production > > > & political line during '00 election? > > > > Yeah, Joe. What does it mean? Why are you holding this debate on an > > egroup for New Brunswick progressives? Please explain to me what's > > on the agenda for the NBHA meeting tonight and what your group is > > doing in preparation for attending and speaking at the meeting > > tonight. Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the city > > council next week, and what SWORD's position is on the zoning > > amendment change relating to the bank building near city hall that > > the developers have recently purchased. > > > > That's far more interesting to New Brunswick residents than your > > doctrinal squabble. > > > > "All politics is local" - Tip O'Neill, former Speaker of the House. > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! 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----- Original Message ----- From: "john kirkland" <ltpoodle@...> To: "John Kirkland" <ltpoodle@...> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:20 PM Subject: KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! - prepared by the National Lawyers Guild > KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! - prepared by the National Lawyers Guild > > What rights do I have? > > The Right to Advocate for Change. > > The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects the rights of > groups and individuals who advocate changes in laws, government > practices, and even the form of government. > > The Right to Remain Silent. > > The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution provides that every person has > the right to remain silent in the face of questions posed by any police > officer or government agent. > > The Right to be Free from "Unreasonable Searches and Seizures." > > The Fourth Amendment is supposed to protect your privacy. Without a > warrant, no government agent is allowed to search your home or office > and you can refuse to let them in. Know, however, that it is easy for > the government to monitor your telephone calls, conversations in your > office, home, car, or meeting place, as well as mail. E-mail is > particularly insecure. The government has already begun stepping up its > monitoring of e-mails. > > CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS CANNOT BE SUSPENDED -- EVEN DURING A STATE OF > EMERGENCY OR WARTIME. > > What should I do if agents come to question me? > > 1. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TALK TO THE POLICE, FBI, INS, OR ANY OTHER LAW > ENFORCEMENT AGENT OR INVESTIGATOR. Other than providing your name and > address to a police officer who is investigating a crime, you are not > legally obligated to talk to anyone: on the street, at your home or > office, if you've been arrested, or even if you're in jail. Only a judge > has the legal authority to order you to answer questions. > > 2. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LET POLICE OR OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS INTO > YOUR HOME OR OFFICE UNLESS THEY HAVE A SEARCH WARRANT OR ARREST WARRANT. > Demand to see the warrant. The warrant must specifically describe the > place to be searched and the things to be seized. If they have a > warrant, you cannot stop them from entering and searching, but you > should still tell them that you do not consent to a search. This will > limit them to the scope of the search authorized by the warrant. > > 3. IF THEY DO PRESENT A WARRANT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MONITOR THEIR > SEARCH AND ACTIVITIES. You have the right to observe what they do. You > have the right to ask them for their names and titles. Take written > notes including their names, badge numbers, and what agency they are > from. Have your friends who are present act as witnesses. Give this > information to your lawyer. A warrant does not give the government the > right to question, nor does it obligate you to answer questions. > > 4. IF THE POLICE OR FBI OR INS OR ANYONE ELSE TRIES TO QUESTION YOU OR > TRIES TO ENTER YOUR HOME WITHOUT A WARRANT, JUST SAY NO! Police and > other law enforcement agents are very skilled at getting information > from people. Many people are afraid that if they refuse to cooperate, it > will appear as if they have something to hide. Don't be fooled. The > police are allowed to (and do) lie to you. Although agents may seem nice > and pretend to be on your side, they are likely to be intent on learning > about the habits, opinions, and affiliations of people not suspected of > wrongdoing, with the end goal of stopping political activity with which > the government disagrees. Trying to answer agents' questions, or trying > to "educate them" about your cause can be very dangerous. You can never > tell how a seemingly harmless bit of information that you give them > might be used and misconstrued to hurt you or someone else. And keep in > mind that lying to a federal agent is a crime. > > 5. IF YOU ARE STOPPED ON THE STREET, ASK IF YOU ARE FREE TO GO. If you > are stopped by the police, ask them why. If they do not have a good > reason for stopping you, or if you find yourself chatting for more than > about a minute, ask ""Am I under arrest, or am I free to go."" If they > do not state that you are under arrest, tell them that you do not wish > to continue speaking with them and that you are going to go about your > business. Then do so. > > 6. ANYTHING YOU SAY TO THE POLICE, FBI, INS, ETC. WILL BE USED AGAINST > YOU AND OTHERS. Once you've been arrested, you cannot talk your way out > of it! Don't try to engage the cops in dialogue or respond to their > accusations. > > 7. THE FBI MAY THREATEN YOU WITH A GRAND JURY SUBPOENA IF YOU DON'T TALK > TO THEM. They may give you a subpoena anyway, so anything you tell them > may permit them to ask you more detailed questions later. You may also > have legal grounds to refuse to answer questions before a grand jury. If > you are given a grand jury subpoena, you should call a lawyer > immediately (see contact information at the end). Tell your friends and > movement groups about the subpoena and discuss how to respond. Do not > try to deal with this alone. > > 8. IF YOU ARE NERVOUS ABOUT SIMPLY REFUSING TO TALK, TELL THEM TO > CONTACT YOUR LAWYER. They should stop trying to question you once you > announce your desire to consult a lawyer. You do not have to already > have one. Remember to get the name, agency, and telephone number of any > investigator who visits you, and contact the National Lawyers Guild for > help getting a lawyer. > > How should I respond to threatening letters or calls? > > If your home or office is broken into, or threats have been made against > you, your organization, or someone you work with, share this information > with everyone affected. Take immediate steps to increase personal and > office security. You should discuss with your organization and with a > lawyer whether and how to report such incidents to the police and the > advisability of taking other legal action. If you decide to make a > report, do not do so without a lawyer present. > > What if I suspect surveillance? > > Prudence is the best course, no matter who you suspect, or what the > basis of your suspicion. Do not hesitate to confront suspected agents > politely, in public, with at least one other person present, and inquire > about their business. If the suspect declines to answer, he or she at > least now knows that you are aware of the surveillance. If you suspect > government agents are monitoring you, or are harassing you, report this > to the National Lawyers Guild. > > What if I am not a citizen? > > 1. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REVEAL YOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS. 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this is worse than high school drama. rumors are tearing down peoples doors.
defeat terrorism - destroy the KKK
joesmith
Published in the Home News Tribune 9/28/01
By KEN SERRANO
STAFF WRITER
METUCHEN: They broke the door in with guns drawn, eight or
nine FBI special agents and local police officers, sweeping through
the home at 219 Central Ave. just before 6 a.m.
They handcuffed and hauled away the five men there, three
Pakistani immigrants, one from India and a Pakistan-born American citizen
with a heart problem, according to one of the men. The FBI took their phone,
two cell phones, two beepers, two brief cases and other things.
And what Abdul Wahed, a 19-year-old Pakistani immigrant who
works at a gas station in Somerville, wants to know is for what?
"I am sleeping. They say, "Hands Up!' I say, "OK,' " Wahed
said with a shrug.
Wednesday's raid was part of what's been called the largest
investigation in the nation's history: to find those responsible for the
death and destruction on American soil on Sept. 11.
But three of the men interviewed yesterday, one cook and two
gas-station attendants, pleaded for an explanation.
Wahed said an FBI agent told the men that authorities were
responding to a tip that the men held a celebration at the home on Sept. 11
- the day terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and
the Pentagon.
"Nobody celebrated, no party, nothing," Wahed said. The agent
told him the alleged time of the celebration, 6 p.m., but everyone was
working then, Wahed said.
After five-to-six hours of interrogation, all five were
released, three of the men said.
Metuchen police referred all questions to the FBI.
FBI spokeswoman Sherri Evanina confirmed the raid took place,
but she offered few other details. The search warrant has been
sealed. Warrants are worked on by a special agent and an assistant U.S.
district attorney, and the probable cause for the warrant is presented to a
U.S. magistrate, she said.
Wahed brushed off the raid, saying he has gotten over it.
But two of the other men, one who says he is supporting a
wife and four children in Pakistan, said the incident has left them
shaken.
"I am not a big man. I have no money, no nothing," said an
emotional Khaliq Amin. The 30-year-old immigrant, who arrived in
the United States eight years ago, pointed to an Urdu-language Pakistani
newspaper. "My country help this country now."
Amin, a gas-station attendant, added that his own close
friend died in the World Trade Center collapse. The third man, Syed Tahir
Abbas-Kazmi, 35, who is supporting a family, said the raid has cost him
sleep.
Jagdish Deol, who owns the house and the automotive-repair
business and gas station next door, said FBI agents arrived a few days
before the raid inquiring about what he called a rumor circulating around
Metuchen.
Deol, an East African-born man of Indian descent, came to the
United States in 1974 and bought the business in 1982, when he
was 26. He said he has spoken to customers since the terrorist attacks to
dispel the false report about someone celebrating at his business.
He believes the rumor sparked the raid at the home Wednesday,
as well as causing a 50 percent drop in his business the first few days
after the attacks.
"It all came from the rumor," Deol said. ""I'm just hurt.
I've had people come in and tell me all you brown people are the same. In
Oklahoma (City), did we raid every white man's house?"
Ken Serrano: (732) 565-7212. E-mail kserrano@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: September 28, 2001
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Matt, thanks for forwarding that dialogue. However, I remain unpersuaded. First, I would ask you to consider this: how does Mr. Baraka expect someone to be won over to his view by effectively calling him, within the first six words, "intellectually lazy" and "timid[]"? It might be fun for a writer to hurl pompous insults -- I have been guilty of that at times myself -- but it does little to persuade a fellow progressive to come around to a different perspective on things. As to the substance, Mr. Baraka posits that there must be a "grasp" of "revolutionary democratic struggle" as well as "mobiliz[ation] of the people" around it. Regrettably, Mr. Baraka's brand of "revolutionary democratic struggle" as well as that of Messrs. Joe and Cliff Smith is the hurling of insults and slogans, combined with the relatively obscure literary or historical references, instead of well-thought out activity meant to acheive political change. Don't know who Dimitroff is, or which work he is referring to. Nor do I know the content of the "Weimar Casebook" either. (Keep in mind I have a doctorate degree including an undergrad poli-sci degree). While I do know what Weimar 1933 means, as do you, I ask how many of the "people" he is trying to reach will "grasp" that message? Few if any. Therein the key problem with his means and message. By following Mr. Baraka's strategy about advocacy, the result is some "revolutionaries" setting forth doctrinally correct messages, only to be misunderstood, not understood, ignored, or laughed at by the hearer. The results? (A) A lost opportunity to persuade that retaliation against Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern states or people is unjust and that domestic "security" policies are an undisguised attack on individual rights and (B) A conclusion by the hearer that the speaker is a crank. Neither is the result intended by the speaker! In order to get people to listen to a message, the message has to be clear and credible, as does the speaker. "people's war on the rightwing bushwacker," simply put, doesn't pass that test. In that regard, I entirely agree with kalamu's sentiments. Please feel free to forward this response to kalamu and Baraka if you wish. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > Flavio- While you're correct that we must remain on point with local issues, > NB trends do not exist in isolation. The NBPC did a great diservice to the > people of the city by not using the opportunities afforded by electoral > campaign to rise greater awareness of how their problems relate to trends > nationally and internationally. To this end, I foward a recent response > from Baraka to a similar position as yours...Try not to hold your nose when > you read it. (you too Kazlowski) > -Matt > > > In a message dated 9/19/01 5:40:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kalamu writes: > > We need to avoid leftwing rhetoric and revolutionary posturing, be > concrete and address actual issues on the public agenda and not make > premature anticipations or apocalyptic predictions. Internally we > need to try to see as far ahead as possible and try to go deep > analytically in order to be as prepared as possible, but externally > we need to speak to facts on the ground, avoid concepts or images > that are adamantly rejected by even peace loving people, and avoid > prematurely polarizing with potential allies. All this while still > drawing firm lines against the right. > > Baraka's response, > > It is this intellectually lazy "timidity" that has got us to the brink of > war and economic disaster. Either we grasp and mobilize the people around > Revolutionary Democratic Struggle, or we will be in Weimar 1933- 1/2 Will > this person read anyone. > Dimitroff, a good beginning.....Du Bois on American in the 50's Fidel 's > speech on Bushwacker declaration of Dead or Alive, With us or With the > Terrorists" as a declaration of US imp intention to make the world a > military dictatorship!?? > > Or read "The Weimar Casebook" U of Calif and he'll see himself, about to get > wasted! > Amiri Baraka > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Groovemeister007@y... > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > Subject: [nbpc] Re:] SOS-Joe > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:10:49 -0000 > > Keith, > > Your views about the role of national and international politics in a > local electoral campaign are certainly principled, and are entitled > to respect. I have considered them carefully, but I don't fully > share them. Not agreeing with your views does not bespeak a failure > to be self-critical, but just an honest disagreement with your > conclusions. > > I would ask you to consider this: the local Democratic Party > candidates did not speak of national or international issues, but > they won, i.e. they received more votes than we did. Obviously, > their failure to address national and international issues was not > fatal to their electoral campaign, but you seem to say that it was > fatal or at least injurious as to NBPC. I must confess that I don't > follow the causal chain there. > > I believe that in most local elections, the same is true, i.e. that > the victors do not talk about national and international issues, but > local issues, i.e. how they will reduce local taxes, increase school > test scores, promote responsible development, keep an eye on the > police. There are exceptions when the local populace has shown a pre- > existing interest in national and international events. E.g., > running in Edison, one might expect a candidate to weigh in on the > U.S. role in the India-Pakistan conflict, or running in Union City, > the local candidate might weigh in on the federal government's Cuba > embargo policy. > > That is why it would be correct for a New Brunswick candidate to > weigh in on Attorney General John Farmer, Peter Verniero, and on > racial profiling by the state police, or on the use of Vieques, PR as > a military training facility by the Navy and Marine Corps. > Specifically, substantial portions of the local population have a pre- > existing interest in these national/international issues. But that > candidate had better know and spend most of her time talking about > local issues, e.g. the hospital expansion, the abysmal board of ed., > the NBHA's transfer of land worth $4 million to developers and > nonpublic entities without sufficient contractual safeguards. > > Besides staying on-message, it also helps to stay positive, without > the regular use of angry rhetoric. In sum, I don't deny the need to > speak about issues beyond NB, but it ought to be targeted to win over > the voters, i.e. the people who will decide whether our candidates or > our issues win or lose, and persuade them to flip the lever for us or > those we endorse on November 6, 2001 and November 5, 2002. > > That said, where were NBPC's members and friends on Wednesday night? > At an anti-war rally (expressing a view shared by a whopping ten > percent of the electorate as measured by reputable polls). Not at > the Housing Authority, meeting with local residents, empathizing with > them, speaking out on their behalf, getting press in the name of > NBPC. What are the plans of NBPC's members and friends to complete > our petition-gathering on the Democracy and Accountability > Ordinance? How many NBPC members have gotten themselves appointed as > poll watchers on election day (46 days away), so we can 'learn the > ropes' in preparation for the 2002 run? Where was the NBPC response > to Borraie's acquistion of the bank on Bayard Street? (See > http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,449339,00.html ) > > Therein lies the key problem. The terrorist attacks and the response > of government (including authorizing profiling, new surveillance > powers, etc.) are important issues and are clearly much more than the > activist fad of the week. But we are ignoring our local base to > respond to them. If we are not self-critical about how we are > ignoring -- even abandoning -- our local platform to that, we who > have sworn loyalty to this group have made an even greater error. > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: > > Flavio, > > I think taht the recent events have made it clear enough that > while "all politics is > > local" that doesn't mean that international and national events and > issues are not > > played out locally. All politics is local means that everything > that is > > "international" is local to social groups who are taking part, it > only becomes > > international if we here about it. I think that issues local to New > Brunswick still > > need to be adresssed, at the same tiome the a\whole world is > rapidly changing and we > > are certainly on teh precipe of disaster, fascism and world war. > There is talk of > > appointing Guilainai to another term in NYC, Racial profiling is > now being hailed as a > > correct response, vigilantism is running rampid. Now is not teh > time to stick our > > heads in the sand. The exclusion of international and natioanl > politics in teh > > People's campaign last effort is now proving to have been a serious > dis-service to the > > people who wer were trying to organize, to people who we might have > given soem of teh > > ideological tools to understand what is happening in the world. We > didn't do that. > > That was a very serious mistake. It is too bad that the campaign > could not realize > > this and was allowed to nearly dis-intergrate by the refusal to be > self-critical. > > > > Keith > > > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., the keyboard of "joseph smith" > > > <can_bush@h...> let loose the following undiluted fountain of > > > foolishness: > > > > > > > what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split > have > > > to do with > > > > the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the > paper's > > > production > > > > & political line during '00 election? > > > > > > Yeah, Joe. What does it mean? Why are you holding this debate > on an > > > egroup for New Brunswick progressives? Please explain to me > what's > > > on the agenda for the NBHA meeting tonight and what your group is > > > doing in preparation for attending and speaking at the meeting > > > tonight. Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the city > > > council next week, and what SWORD's position is on the zoning > > > amendment change relating to the bank building near city hall that > > > the developers have recently purchased. > > > > > > That's far more interesting to New Brunswick residents than your > > > doctrinal squabble. > > > > > > "All politics is local" - Tip O'Neill, former Speaker of the > House. > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Greg Di Gesu" <gregdig65@...> >To: <gregdig65@...> >Subject: The Wooden Soldiers @ the Court Tavern 10/12 >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:29:57 -0400 > > > > Ahhhh....the return of The Wooden >Soldiers!!! > (who woulda thunk it?) > > Featuring original >members: > > Paul Rieder - songs, guitar, >vocals, >'tude > Greg Di Gesu - same as above > Matt Guzda - drums and calculus > Paul Marangelo - songs, bass, and >zebra mussels > > > Friday October 12th @ 12 >midnite > > ** in celebration of the Court Tavern's 20th >anniversary >of music ** > > @ > > the > Court Tavern > 124 Church St > New Brunswick, NJ > 732.545.7265 > admission - $7 > > w/ Third Party - 11pm > The Blases - 1am > > > This is a reunion show of great bands that were all part of New >Brunswick's musical history. Join us in celebrating and thanking the Court >Tavern for providing great music and continuing this history. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > For those who never had the opportunity to experience this original >line up of the Wooden Soldiers, it was truly a special thing and we invite >you to discover both this and our songs, if you haven't already. And now a >few words from a good friend and fan: > > > When I heard that the Wooden Soldiers would be reuniting for a >concert > in October, I had the same feeling as when Sid Bernstein was rumored to >be >getting The Beatles back together in 1976. Only with the Wooden Soldiers, >it's true. On October 12th, Paul Rieder, Greg Di Gesu, Paul Marangelo and >Matt Guzda will perform together for the first time in about 13 years. >This seminal version of the band is the one that created the LP, "Hippies, >Punks and Rubber Men" on Absolute A-Go-Go Records back in 1987. At >the time, I was just finishing up at Rutgers. For a couple of years prior >to >the LP and for a short time after, they were THE band to see in New >Brunswick. > There was a time (before the alt. rock renaissance of the 90's) when >the stuff most people listened to was forced upon them by MTV (Madonna, >Michael Jackson, Huey Lewis, etc.). So I regressed happily to the music of >the 60's and 70's mostly. But I loved The Wooden Soldiers. To this day I >feel that they were the only "undiscovered" band I've ever come across that >could've really "made it" and changed the direction of the music >industry...if only they continued. They were ahead of their time. > This was extremely literate rock. To say the band had the smarts of >Dylan and the tunefulness of "Rubber Soul era" Beatles would not be an >overstatement. They were often compared to The Feelies (cult heroes from >NJ). The influences and similarities I always drew were of the Velvet >Underground, The Violent Femmes and early REM. The songs on that first >album were full of fantastic wordplay and melodies. "Commercial Avenue" >had >the heaviest rotation at the time on WRSU (Rutgers) and other small >stations >in Jersey, but all the tracks were equally as strong. The album's lyrics >portrayed urban sprawl and decay, pacifists, philosophers, lost youth, >amnesia, pitchforks and a touch of psychosis. > One of the most appealing things about The Wooden Soldiers was that >there were two equally gifted songwriters/vocalists/guitarists in Greg >Di Gesu and Paul Rieder. As with Lennon/McCartney (sorry for all the >Beatles references) or Garcia/Weir, when you have two great talents >alternating >tunes in concert and constantly trying to outdo and impress each other, it >adds a tremendous strength to the band. > Not long after "Hippies, Punks and Rubber Men" things began to slowly >break apart. Bassist Paul Marangelo was the first to leave the fold with a >decision to "find himself" on the Appalachian Trail. He was replaced for a >while by Claude Coleman (now drummer for Ween). A second album, "Lazy >Man's Load" was recorded. It was absolutely brilliant. It was never >released. >Paul Rieder left the band and moved to California. Greg continued as the >sole driving force behind The Wooden Soldiers for a short time (drummer >Matt Guzda still in tow) and subsequently formed Fishermen's Stew during >the >90's. He's currently in a band called Speedsters and Dopers. Paul Rieder >returned for a while, did a few solo projects and performed with All God's >Children. He now has a farm in upstate NY. The original band will be >rehearsing there for a few days prior to the show. It should be truly >magical. > A message to any of you reading this with a cache of those 1st LP's >on >Absolute A-Go-Go: Bring'em to the show to giveaway, sell, barter? The >people attending will want these records (you all still have turntables, >don't you?) > The gig is part of The Court Tavern's 20th anniversary series of >reunion shows. This little step back to the New Brunswick music scene >circa >1987 will bring a smile to your face, and I think you'll be amazed at what >was...and what might've been. > > I wouldn't miss it for the world. > > John Peluso > Raleigh, NC > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >*and don't miss these other reunion shows: > > 10/19 Nudeswirl/The Blisters >10/20 Tiny Lights/Spiral Jetty >10/27 The Selves/All God's Children >11/3 Adrenalin O.D./Pleased Youth/Bedlam >11/17 The Raging Lamos/Everlounge > > > > > ~ distribute freely ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
fuck off joe smith. Joe Kaminski On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, joseph smith wrote: > this is worse than high school drama. rumors are tearing down peoples doors. > defeat terrorism - destroy the KKK > > joesmith > > Published in the Home News Tribune 9/28/01 > > By KEN SERRANO > STAFF WRITER > > METUCHEN: They broke the door in with guns drawn, eight or > nine FBI special agents and local police officers, sweeping through > the home at 219 Central Ave. just before 6 a.m. > > They handcuffed and hauled away the five men there, three > Pakistani immigrants, one from India and a Pakistan-born American citizen > with a heart problem, according to one of the men. The FBI took their phone, > two cell phones, two beepers, two brief cases and other things. > > And what Abdul Wahed, a 19-year-old Pakistani immigrant who > works at a gas station in Somerville, wants to know is for what? > > "I am sleeping. They say, "Hands Up!' I say, "OK,' " Wahed > said with a shrug. > > Wednesday's raid was part of what's been called the largest > investigation in the nation's history: to find those responsible for the > death and destruction on American soil on Sept. 11. > > But three of the men interviewed yesterday, one cook and two > gas-station attendants, pleaded for an explanation. > > Wahed said an FBI agent told the men that authorities were > responding to a tip that the men held a celebration at the home on Sept. 11 > - the day terrorists crashed hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and > the Pentagon. > > "Nobody celebrated, no party, nothing," Wahed said. The agent > told him the alleged time of the celebration, 6 p.m., but everyone was > working then, Wahed said. > > After five-to-six hours of interrogation, all five were > released, three of the men said. > > Metuchen police referred all questions to the FBI. > > FBI spokeswoman Sherri Evanina confirmed the raid took place, > but she offered few other details. The search warrant has been > sealed. Warrants are worked on by a special agent and an assistant U.S. > district attorney, and the probable cause for the warrant is presented to a > U.S. magistrate, she said. > > Wahed brushed off the raid, saying he has gotten over it. > > But two of the other men, one who says he is supporting a > wife and four children in Pakistan, said the incident has left them > shaken. > > "I am not a big man. I have no money, no nothing," said an > emotional Khaliq Amin. The 30-year-old immigrant, who arrived in > the United States eight years ago, pointed to an Urdu-language Pakistani > newspaper. "My country help this country now." > > Amin, a gas-station attendant, added that his own close > friend died in the World Trade Center collapse. The third man, Syed Tahir > Abbas-Kazmi, 35, who is supporting a family, said the raid has cost him > sleep. > > Jagdish Deol, who owns the house and the automotive-repair > business and gas station next door, said FBI agents arrived a few days > before the raid inquiring about what he called a rumor circulating around > Metuchen. > > Deol, an East African-born man of Indian descent, came to the > United States in 1974 and bought the business in 1982, when he > was 26. He said he has spoken to customers since the terrorist attacks to > dispel the false report about someone celebrating at his business. > > He believes the rumor sparked the raid at the home Wednesday, > as well as causing a 50 percent drop in his business the first few days > after the attacks. > > "It all came from the rumor," Deol said. ""I'm just hurt. > I've had people come in and tell me all you brown people are the same. In > Oklahoma (City), did we raid every white man's house?" > > Ken Serrano: (732) 565-7212. E-mail kserrano@... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: September 28, 2001 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
i have neither a doctorate nor an under-grad (poli-sci) degree & understand baraka's statement clearly. perhaps the certificates (&tip o'neil aspirations) cloud messr. komuves' class consciousness. all local politics is international. advance the nb peoples' campaign & build the peoples' democratic workers' party! cs >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Flavio >Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:37:07 -0000 > >Matt, > >thanks for forwarding that dialogue. However, I remain unpersuaded. >First, I would ask you to consider this: how does Mr. Baraka expect >someone to be won over to his view by effectively calling him, within >the first six words, "intellectually lazy" and "timid[]"? It might >be fun for a writer to hurl pompous insults -- I have been guilty of >that at times myself -- but it does little to persuade a fellow >progressive to come around to a different perspective on things. > >As to the substance, Mr. Baraka posits that there must be a "grasp" >of "revolutionary democratic struggle" as well as "mobiliz[ation] of >the people" around it. Regrettably, Mr. Baraka's brand >of "revolutionary democratic struggle" as well as that of Messrs. Joe >and Cliff Smith is the hurling of insults and slogans, combined with >the relatively obscure literary or historical references, instead of >well-thought out activity meant to acheive political change. Don't >know who Dimitroff is, or which work he is referring to. Nor do I >know the content of the "Weimar Casebook" either. (Keep in mind I >have a doctorate degree including an undergrad poli-sci degree). >While I do know what Weimar 1933 means, as do you, I ask how many of >the "people" he is trying to reach will "grasp" that message? Few if >any. Therein the key problem with his means and message. > >By following Mr. Baraka's strategy about advocacy, the result is >some "revolutionaries" setting forth doctrinally correct messages, >only to be misunderstood, not understood, ignored, or laughed at by >the hearer. The results? (A) A lost opportunity to persuade that >retaliation against Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern states or >people is unjust and that domestic "security" policies are an >undisguised attack on individual rights and (B) A conclusion by the >hearer that the speaker is a crank. > >Neither is the result intended by the speaker! > >In order to get people to listen to a message, the message has to be >clear and credible, as does the speaker. "people's war on the >rightwing bushwacker," simply put, doesn't pass that test. In that >regard, I entirely agree with kalamu's sentiments. Please feel free >to forward this response to kalamu and Baraka if you wish. > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > Flavio- While you're correct that we must remain on point with >local issues, > > NB trends do not exist in isolation. The NBPC did a great >diservice to the > > people of the city by not using the opportunities afforded by >electoral > > campaign to rise greater awareness of how their problems relate to >trends > > nationally and internationally. To this end, I foward a recent >response > > from Baraka to a similar position as yours...Try not to hold your >nose when > > you read it. (you too Kazlowski) > > -Matt > > > > > > In a message dated 9/19/01 5:40:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >kalamu writes: > > > > We need to avoid leftwing rhetoric and revolutionary posturing, be > > concrete and address actual issues on the public agenda and not make > > premature anticipations or apocalyptic predictions. Internally we > > need to try to see as far ahead as possible and try to go deep > > analytically in order to be as prepared as possible, but externally > > we need to speak to facts on the ground, avoid concepts or images > > that are adamantly rejected by even peace loving people, and avoid > > prematurely polarizing with potential allies. All this while still > > drawing firm lines against the right. > > > > Baraka's response, > > > > It is this intellectually lazy "timidity" that has got us to the >brink of > > war and economic disaster. Either we grasp and mobilize the people >around > > Revolutionary Democratic Struggle, or we will be in Weimar 1933- >1/2 Will > > this person read anyone. > > Dimitroff, a good beginning.....Du Bois on American in the 50's >Fidel 's > > speech on Bushwacker declaration of Dead or Alive, With us or With >the > > Terrorists" as a declaration of US imp intention to make the world >a > > military dictatorship!?? > > > > Or read "The Weimar Casebook" U of Calif and he'll see himself, >about to get > > wasted! > > Amiri Baraka > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > Subject: [nbpc] Re:] SOS-Joe > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:10:49 -0000 > > > > Keith, > > > > Your views about the role of national and international politics in >a > > local electoral campaign are certainly principled, and are entitled > > to respect. I have considered them carefully, but I don't fully > > share them. Not agreeing with your views does not bespeak a failure > > to be self-critical, but just an honest disagreement with your > > conclusions. > > > > I would ask you to consider this: the local Democratic Party > > candidates did not speak of national or international issues, but > > they won, i.e. they received more votes than we did. Obviously, > > their failure to address national and international issues was not > > fatal to their electoral campaign, but you seem to say that it was > > fatal or at least injurious as to NBPC. I must confess that I don't > > follow the causal chain there. > > > > I believe that in most local elections, the same is true, i.e. that > > the victors do not talk about national and international issues, but > > local issues, i.e. how they will reduce local taxes, increase school > > test scores, promote responsible development, keep an eye on the > > police. There are exceptions when the local populace has shown a >pre- > > existing interest in national and international events. E.g., > > running in Edison, one might expect a candidate to weigh in on the > > U.S. role in the India-Pakistan conflict, or running in Union City, > > the local candidate might weigh in on the federal government's Cuba > > embargo policy. > > > > That is why it would be correct for a New Brunswick candidate to > > weigh in on Attorney General John Farmer, Peter Verniero, and on > > racial profiling by the state police, or on the use of Vieques, PR >as > > a military training facility by the Navy and Marine Corps. > > Specifically, substantial portions of the local population have a >pre- > > existing interest in these national/international issues. But that > > candidate had better know and spend most of her time talking about > > local issues, e.g. the hospital expansion, the abysmal board of ed., > > the NBHA's transfer of land worth $4 million to developers and > > nonpublic entities without sufficient contractual safeguards. > > > > Besides staying on-message, it also helps to stay positive, without > > the regular use of angry rhetoric. In sum, I don't deny the need to > > speak about issues beyond NB, but it ought to be targeted to win >over > > the voters, i.e. the people who will decide whether our candidates >or > > our issues win or lose, and persuade them to flip the lever for us >or > > those we endorse on November 6, 2001 and November 5, 2002. > > > > That said, where were NBPC's members and friends on Wednesday night? > > At an anti-war rally (expressing a view shared by a whopping ten > > percent of the electorate as measured by reputable polls). Not at > > the Housing Authority, meeting with local residents, empathizing >with > > them, speaking out on their behalf, getting press in the name of > > NBPC. What are the plans of NBPC's members and friends to complete > > our petition-gathering on the Democracy and Accountability > > Ordinance? How many NBPC members have gotten themselves appointed >as > > poll watchers on election day (46 days away), so we can 'learn the > > ropes' in preparation for the 2002 run? Where was the NBPC response > > to Borraie's acquistion of the bank on Bayard Street? (See > > http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,449339,00.html ) > > > > Therein lies the key problem. The terrorist attacks and the >response > > of government (including authorizing profiling, new surveillance > > powers, etc.) are important issues and are clearly much more than >the > > activist fad of the week. But we are ignoring our local base to > > respond to them. If we are not self-critical about how we are > > ignoring -- even abandoning -- our local platform to that, we who > > have sworn loyalty to this group have made an even greater error. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> >wrote: > > > Flavio, > > > I think taht the recent events have made it clear enough that > > while "all politics is > > > local" that doesn't mean that international and national events >and > > issues are not > > > played out locally. All politics is local means that everything > > that is > > > "international" is local to social groups who are taking part, it > > only becomes > > > international if we here about it. I think that issues local to >New > > Brunswick still > > > need to be adresssed, at the same tiome the a\whole world is > > rapidly changing and we > > > are certainly on teh precipe of disaster, fascism and world war. > > There is talk of > > > appointing Guilainai to another term in NYC, Racial profiling is > > now being hailed as a > > > correct response, vigilantism is running rampid. Now is not teh > > time to stick our > > > heads in the sand. The exclusion of international and natioanl > > politics in teh > > > People's campaign last effort is now proving to have been a >serious > > dis-service to the > > > people who wer were trying to organize, to people who we might >have > > given soem of teh > > > ideological tools to understand what is happening in the world. >We > > didn't do that. > > > That was a very serious mistake. It is too bad that the campaign > > could not realize > > > this and was allowed to nearly dis-intergrate by the refusal to >be > > self-critical. > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., the keyboard of "joseph smith" > > > > <can_bush@h...> let loose the following undiluted fountain of > > > > foolishness: > > > > > > > > > what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split > > have > > > > to do with > > > > > the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the > > paper's > > > > production > > > > > & political line during '00 election? > > > > > > > > Yeah, Joe. What does it mean? Why are you holding this debate > > on an > > > > egroup for New Brunswick progressives? Please explain to me > > what's > > > > on the agenda for the NBHA meeting tonight and what your group >is > > > > doing in preparation for attending and speaking at the meeting > > > > tonight. Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the >city > > > > council next week, and what SWORD's position is on the zoning > > > > amendment change relating to the bank building near city hall >that > > > > the developers have recently purchased. > > > > > > > > That's far more interesting to New Brunswick residents than >your > > > > doctrinal squabble. > > > > > > > > "All politics is local" - Tip O'Neill, former Speaker of the > > House. > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... > > > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > > nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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Cliff, The reference to Tip O'Neill was appropriate, since he was a man who was eminently successful in winning electoral campaigns, which is more than can be said for you. I commend you for being able to understand Mr. Baraka's statement; since you are one of his acolytes, I would expect no less. That said, however, I still feel most people, credentialed or not, would not undestand it. I say: "President Bush is a ignorant fool for referring to the fight on terrorism as a 'crusade.' Crusades were wars waged in the Middle Ages by Christian Europe against Moslems who were in possession of the Holy Land, yet today he seeks Moslem countries as our allies. The comment bespeaks insensitivity, ignorance, and an inability to prosecute an effective foreign policy." Cliff says: "right wing religion imperalist bushwacker is out to lunch." Which sounds more persuasive, responsible, or credible? And you wonder why I see your extremist brand of policies and methods of expressing them as a threat to the NBPC's goals of getting progressive candidates in office through electoral wins? Wonder no more, sir! P.S. I still have not received answers to the following from anyone: 1. Why did NBPC and SWORD fail to attend the Housing Authority on Wednesday night to meet with local residents, empathizing with them, speaking out on their behalf, and getting press in the name of NBPC? 2. What are the plans of NBPC's members and friends to complete our petition-gathering on the Democracy and Accountability Ordinance? 3. How many NBPC / SWORD members have gotten themselves appointed as poll watchers on election day (now 37 days away), so we can 'learn the ropes' in preparation for the 2002 run? 4. Where was the NBPC response to Borraie's acquistion of the bank on Bayard Street? (See http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,449339,00.html )? What is the plan for a presentation about same at the next city council meeting? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > i have neither a doctorate nor an under-grad (poli-sci) degree & understand > baraka's statement clearly. perhaps the certificates (&tip o'neil > aspirations) cloud messr. komuves' class consciousness. > > all local politics is international. > > advance the nb peoples' campaign & > build the peoples' democratic workers' party! > > cs > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Flavio > >Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:37:07 -0000 > > > >Matt, > > > >thanks for forwarding that dialogue. However, I remain unpersuaded. > >First, I would ask you to consider this: how does Mr. Baraka expect > >someone to be won over to his view by effectively calling him, within > >the first six words, "intellectually lazy" and "timid[]"? It might > >be fun for a writer to hurl pompous insults -- I have been guilty of > >that at times myself -- but it does little to persuade a fellow > >progressive to come around to a different perspective on things. > > > >As to the substance, Mr. Baraka posits that there must be a "grasp" > >of "revolutionary democratic struggle" as well as "mobiliz[ation] of > >the people" around it. Regrettably, Mr. Baraka's brand > >of "revolutionary democratic struggle" as well as that of Messrs. Joe > >and Cliff Smith is the hurling of insults and slogans, combined with > >the relatively obscure literary or historical references, instead of > >well-thought out activity meant to acheive political change. Don't > >know who Dimitroff is, or which work he is referring to. Nor do I > >know the content of the "Weimar Casebook" either. (Keep in mind I > >have a doctorate degree including an undergrad poli-sci degree). > >While I do know what Weimar 1933 means, as do you, I ask how many of > >the "people" he is trying to reach will "grasp" that message? Few if > >any. Therein the key problem with his means and message. > > > >By following Mr. Baraka's strategy about advocacy, the result is > >some "revolutionaries" setting forth doctrinally correct messages, > >only to be misunderstood, not understood, ignored, or laughed at by > >the hearer. The results? (A) A lost opportunity to persuade that > >retaliation against Afghanistan or other Middle Eastern states or > >people is unjust and that domestic "security" policies are an > >undisguised attack on individual rights and (B) A conclusion by the > >hearer that the speaker is a crank. > > > >Neither is the result intended by the speaker! > > > >In order to get people to listen to a message, the message has to be > >clear and credible, as does the speaker. "people's war on the > >rightwing bushwacker," simply put, doesn't pass that test. In that > >regard, I entirely agree with kalamu's sentiments. Please feel free > >to forward this response to kalamu and Baraka if you wish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- While you're correct that we must remain on point with > >local issues, > > > NB trends do not exist in isolation. The NBPC did a great > >diservice to the > > > people of the city by not using the opportunities afforded by > >electoral > > > campaign to rise greater awareness of how their problems relate to > >trends > > > nationally and internationally. To this end, I foward a recent > >response > > > from Baraka to a similar position as yours...Try not to hold your > >nose when > > > you read it. (you too Kazlowski) > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/19/01 5:40:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > >kalamu writes: > > > > > > We need to avoid leftwing rhetoric and revolutionary posturing, be > > > concrete and address actual issues on the public agenda and not make > > > premature anticipations or apocalyptic predictions. Internally we > > > need to try to see as far ahead as possible and try to go deep > > > analytically in order to be as prepared as possible, but externally > > > we need to speak to facts on the ground, avoid concepts or images > > > that are adamantly rejected by even peace loving people, and avoid > > > prematurely polarizing with potential allies. All this while still > > > drawing firm lines against the right. > > > > > > Baraka's response, > > > > > > It is this intellectually lazy "timidity" that has got us to the > >brink of > > > war and economic disaster. Either we grasp and mobilize the people > >around > > > Revolutionary Democratic Struggle, or we will be in Weimar 1933- > >1/2 Will > > > this person read anyone. > > > Dimitroff, a good beginning.....Du Bois on American in the 50's > >Fidel 's > > > speech on Bushwacker declaration of Dead or Alive, With us or With > >the > > > Terrorists" as a declaration of US imp intention to make the world > >a > > > military dictatorship!?? > > > > > > Or read "The Weimar Casebook" U of Calif and he'll see himself, > >about to get > > > wasted! > > > Amiri Baraka > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Groovemeister007@y... > > > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > > Subject: [nbpc] Re:] SOS-Joe > > > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:10:49 -0000 > > > > > > Keith, > > > > > > Your views about the role of national and international politics in > >a > > > local electoral campaign are certainly principled, and are entitled > > > to respect. I have considered them carefully, but I don't fully > > > share them. Not agreeing with your views does not bespeak a failure > > > to be self-critical, but just an honest disagreement with your > > > conclusions. > > > > > > I would ask you to consider this: the local Democratic Party > > > candidates did not speak of national or international issues, but > > > they won, i.e. they received more votes than we did. Obviously, > > > their failure to address national and international issues was not > > > fatal to their electoral campaign, but you seem to say that it was > > > fatal or at least injurious as to NBPC. I must confess that I don't > > > follow the causal chain there. > > > > > > I believe that in most local elections, the same is true, i.e. that > > > the victors do not talk about national and international issues, but > > > local issues, i.e. how they will reduce local taxes, increase school > > > test scores, promote responsible development, keep an eye on the > > > police. There are exceptions when the local populace has shown a > >pre- > > > existing interest in national and international events. E.g., > > > running in Edison, one might expect a candidate to weigh in on the > > > U.S. role in the India-Pakistan conflict, or running in Union City, > > > the local candidate might weigh in on the federal government's Cuba > > > embargo policy. > > > > > > That is why it would be correct for a New Brunswick candidate to > > > weigh in on Attorney General John Farmer, Peter Verniero, and on > > > racial profiling by the state police, or on the use of Vieques, PR > >as > > > a military training facility by the Navy and Marine Corps. > > > Specifically, substantial portions of the local population have a > >pre- > > > existing interest in these national/international issues. But that > > > candidate had better know and spend most of her time talking about > > > local issues, e.g. the hospital expansion, the abysmal board of ed., > > > the NBHA's transfer of land worth $4 million to developers and > > > nonpublic entities without sufficient contractual safeguards. > > > > > > Besides staying on-message, it also helps to stay positive, without > > > the regular use of angry rhetoric. In sum, I don't deny the need to > > > speak about issues beyond NB, but it ought to be targeted to win > >over > > > the voters, i.e. the people who will decide whether our candidates > >or > > > our issues win or lose, and persuade them to flip the lever for us > >or > > > those we endorse on November 6, 2001 and November 5, 2002. > > > > > > That said, where were NBPC's members and friends on Wednesday night? > > > At an anti-war rally (expressing a view shared by a whopping ten > > > percent of the electorate as measured by reputable polls). Not at > > > the Housing Authority, meeting with local residents, empathizing > >with > > > them, speaking out on their behalf, getting press in the name of > > > NBPC. What are the plans of NBPC's members and friends to complete > > > our petition-gathering on the Democracy and Accountability > > > Ordinance? How many NBPC members have gotten themselves appointed > >as > > > poll watchers on election day (46 days away), so we can 'learn the > > > ropes' in preparation for the 2002 run? Where was the NBPC response > > > to Borraie's acquistion of the bank on Bayard Street? (See > > > http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,449339,00.html ) > > > > > > Therein lies the key problem. The terrorist attacks and the > >response > > > of government (including authorizing profiling, new surveillance > > > powers, etc.) are important issues and are clearly much more than > >the > > > activist fad of the week. But we are ignoring our local base to > > > respond to them. If we are not self-critical about how we are > > > ignoring -- even abandoning -- our local platform to that, we who > > > have sworn loyalty to this group have made an even greater error. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> > >wrote: > > > > Flavio, > > > > I think taht the recent events have made it clear enough that > > > while "all politics is > > > > local" that doesn't mean that international and national events > >and > > > issues are not > > > > played out locally. All politics is local means that everything > > > that is > > > > "international" is local to social groups who are taking part, it > > > only becomes > > > > international if we here about it. I think that issues local to > >New > > > Brunswick still > > > > need to be adresssed, at the same tiome the a\whole world is > > > rapidly changing and we > > > > are certainly on teh precipe of disaster, fascism and world war. > > > There is talk of > > > > appointing Guilainai to another term in NYC, Racial profiling is > > > now being hailed as a > > > > correct response, vigilantism is running rampid. Now is not teh > > > time to stick our > > > > heads in the sand. The exclusion of international and natioanl > > > politics in teh > > > > People's campaign last effort is now proving to have been a > >serious > > > dis-service to the > > > > people who wer were trying to organize, to people who we might > >have > > > given soem of teh > > > > ideological tools to understand what is happening in the world. > >We > > > didn't do that. > > > > That was a very serious mistake. It is too bad that the campaign > > > could not realize > > > > this and was allowed to nearly dis-intergrate by the refusal to > >be > > > self-critical. > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., the keyboard of "joseph smith" > > > > > <can_bush@h...> let loose the following undiluted fountain of > > > > > foolishness: > > > > > > > > > > > what does this mean? njfo was split? what does an njfo split > > > have > > > > > to do with > > > > > > the fact that members of the U&S edit board sabatoged the > > > paper's > > > > > production > > > > > > & political line during '00 election? > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, Joe. What does it mean? Why are you holding this debate > > > on an > > > > > egroup for New Brunswick progressives? Please explain to me > > > what's > > > > > on the agenda for the NBHA meeting tonight and what your group > >is > > > > > doing in preparation for attending and speaking at the meeting > > > > > tonight. Please explain to me what's on the agenda for the > >city > > > > > council next week, and what SWORD's position is on the zoning > > > > > amendment change relating to the bank building near city hall > >that > > > > > the developers have recently purchased. > > > > > > > > > > That's far more interesting to New Brunswick residents than > >your > > > > > doctrinal squabble. > > > > > > > > > > "All politics is local" - Tip O'Neill, former Speaker of the > > > House. > > > > >
Cuba's Castro calls for "peaceful
solution" to terrorism in wake of attack
By ANITA SNOW
The Associated Press
9/29/01 12:54 PM
HAVANA (AP) -- Cuban President Fidel Castro suggested
the United
States should steer clear of military retaliation to
the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks, calling for a U.N.-led response that would not
risk innocent lives.
"A peaceful solution could still be possible," Castro
told tens of thousands
of people at a state-sponsored rally in the central
Cuban city of Ciego de
Avila.
The Cuban leader called the attacks on the United
States "insane" and
emphasized that "under no circumstances should those
responsible for
the brutal attacks against the American people be
allowed to go
unpunished -- if they can be identified."
But he accused U.S. officials of warmongering and
insisted the United
Nations should be given the leading role in a worldwide
effort to eradicate
terrorism "with total and unanimous support of world
opinion."
"The unanimous shock suffered by all nations of the
world ... has created
exceptional conditions for the eradication of terrorism
without the need to
unleash a useless and perhaps endless war," Castro
said.
"But the main obstacle is that the most notable
political and military
leaders in the United States refuse to listen to any
word said against the
use of weapons and in favor of a truly effective
solution to the worrisome
problem," he added.
"One wonders: Why this obstinate course of starting a
complicated and
open ended war? Why are the American leaders showing
such arrogance
when their enormous power gives them the privilege of
showing some
moderation?" Castro said.
Castro, whose communist country has been squeezed by
U.S. sanctions
for four decades, spoke a day after the U.N. Security
Council approved a
sweeping U.S.-sponsored resolution requiring all 189
U.N. member
nations to deny money, support and sanctuary to
terrorists.
Cuba is on the list of countries the United States
accuses of sponsoring
terrorism, but Castro said a week ago that "Cuba will
never be used for
terrorist actions against the American people and we
will do everything
within our reach to prevent such actions against that
people."
Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This material may not be
published, broadcast, rewritten, or
redistributed.
_________________________________________________________________
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Very interesting...Difficult to verify, but I'm sure someone will try, and we'll hear about it sooner or later...a good lesson to be learned here. But two addtional items that weren't debunked were: 1. 5 Israeli nationals arrested from a Jersey City (Paterson?) rooftop after being found celebrating & videotaping the aftermath. (I heard & read this reported many times; & once on network news amidst a dozen snapshots of "likely arab suspects", and oops! they forgot to mention the part about them being Israelis!! 2. That Bush2 was seen smirking & slapping his knee after having helped bring about this chain of events by severely exasperating antagonisms between US Imperialism & the oil producing regions of the Middle East; first, by illegally siezing power in Nov2000 after running Nader ads in Michigan & then by executing a rapid-fire series of unilateral actions--from pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to singlehandedly destroying the ABM Treaty & pressing ahead with Missile "Defense" despite international condemnation, effectively jumpstarting the arms race & picking up where his daddy & RayGun left off... Hey, who needs sensationalism...I'm sticking to my story. Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: makemba@... Below is a website which is trying to debunk some of the alleged rumors floating around on the web about the September 11 attacks. Some of the items addressed are the video tape of the Palestinians celebrating, another is 4000 Jews not showing up for work at the WTC, viruse being sent through the mail etc. In posting this web address, I am in no way vouching for its credibility. This is an FYI. Also, as so much is happening at extremely rapid rates, and in our quest to understand and to keep abreast of what is going on around us, I would like to offer that when exchanging info that we fully document our sources whenever possible and include web addresses as well. A collection of links to pages discussing the various rumors to come out of the September 11 terrorist attack on the United States of America. The web address is: www.snopes.com ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! <A HREF="http://www.worldxchange.com/agent/default.asp?agid=218396">WorldxChange Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page</A> FREE Download! Superior Marketing Tools & Tactics V1.7 <A HREF="http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html">http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html</A> Get a FREE Vacation! Select from 26 fabulous resort destinations! <A HREF="http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Vacation.jsp/pages/8584509.html">Free Vacation!</A> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Matt, just for clarity, 'Israeli national' does not mean 'Jew' as there are Israeli nationals who are Muslims and Arabs. Besides, I'm not sure what the value of investigating the incident might be, aside from somewhat dubious propaganda value. Five citizens of any state are not much of a commentary on the state itself, unless one is desperate for evidence to prop up one's preconceived world view. I'm not implying anything by that, just stating my opinion. As for the other story, 4000 Israelis did not work at the World Trade Center, and over a hundred Israelis who were actually are among the missing. It would be fairly stupid of the Israeli state apparatus to leave themselves so open to massive condemnation for the sake of a few thousand lives -- should something leak out, as it likely would have -- even if the statistics were in their favor. It smells like Jew demonization to me. Keith said that if we do not 'investigate these claims' then we will not know for sure; that we might as well watch CNN uncritically, but I believe that to be a facile analogy. We might as well investigate the National Enquirer's claim that the "CIA thwarted a nuclear attack by terrorists" and that Prince Charles was "targeted by terrorists" as well. In any case, my point is that I'm tempted to dismiss these claims after my rudimentary analysis, but if someone wants to dig deeper, I would be interested in their findings. I would like to encourage anyone who has any interesting articles on this issue or any other issue and wants to reach a broader audience to post them on http://discussion.org where we have been engaging in continuous debate surrounding this issue as well as other policy issues. We are beginning to attract a broad audience of fairly conscious people, as well as some whose consciousness still needs work. ;) Also, check out the article entitled "US begins to silence dissent", for some outrageous quotes from the Bush administration which would seem to imply that the first ammendment is null and void. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:23 PM To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Cc: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] September 11 rumors Very interesting...Difficult to verify, but I'm sure someone will try, and we'll hear about it sooner or later...a good lesson to be learned here. But two addtional items that weren't debunked were: 1. 5 Israeli nationals arrested from a Jersey City (Paterson?) rooftop after being found celebrating & videotaping the aftermath. (I heard & read this reported many times; & once on network news amidst a dozen snapshots of "likely arab suspects", and oops! they forgot to mention the part about them being Israelis!! 2. That Bush2 was seen smirking & slapping his knee after having helped bring about this chain of events by severely exasperating antagonisms between US Imperialism & the oil producing regions of the Middle East; first, by illegally siezing power in Nov2000 after running Nader ads in Michigan & then by executing a rapid-fire series of unilateral actions--from pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to singlehandedly destroying the ABM Treaty & pressing ahead with Missile "Defense" despite international condemnation, effectively jumpstarting the arms race & picking up where his daddy & RayGun left off... Hey, who needs sensationalism...I'm sticking to my story. Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: makemba@... Below is a website which is trying to debunk some of the alleged rumors floating around on the web about the September 11 attacks. Some of the items addressed are the video tape of the Palestinians celebrating, another is 4000 Jews not showing up for work at the WTC, viruse being sent through the mail etc. In posting this web address, I am in no way vouching for its credibility. This is an FYI. Also, as so much is happening at extremely rapid rates, and in our quest to understand and to keep abreast of what is going on around us, I would like to offer that when exchanging info that we fully document our sources whenever possible and include web addresses as well. A collection of links to pages discussing the various rumors to come out of the September 11 terrorist attack on the United States of America. The web address is: www.snopes.com ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! <A HREF="http://www.worldxchange.com/agent/default.asp?agid=218396">WorldxChang e Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page</A> FREE Download! Superior Marketing Tools & Tactics V1.7 <A HREF="http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html">htt p://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Free.jsp/pages/8584509.html</A> Get a FREE Vacation! Select from 26 fabulous resort destinations! <A HREF="http://reports.emarketplacedirect.com/Vacation.jsp/pages/8584509.html" >Free Vacation!</A> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Chris- Did you check out the website below? www.snopes.com They attempt to debunk many of the rumors, so I thought it fair to send it out to sift through things...& my comments were within this context. I'm also intriqued by the reports that US threatened war against Afghanastan 2 months prior to attacks...comments? -Matt ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Krzysztof S. Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] September 11 rumors Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 16:00:45 -0400 Matt, just for clarity, 'Israeli national' does not mean 'Jew' as there are Israeli nationals who are Muslims and Arabs. Besides, I'm not sure what the value of investigating the incident might be, aside from somewhat dubious propaganda value. Five citizens of any state are not much of a commentary on the state itself, unless one is desperate for evidence to prop up one's preconceived world view. I'm not implying anything by that, just stating my opinion. As for the other story, 4000 Israelis did not work at the World Trade Center, and over a hundred Israelis who were actually are among the missing. It would be fairly stupid of the Israeli state apparatus to leave themselves so open to massive condemnation for the sake of a few thousand lives -- should something leak out, as it likely would have -- even if the statistics were in their favor. It smells like Jew demonization to me. Keith said that if we do not 'investigate these claims' then we will not know for sure; that we might as well watch CNN uncritically, but I believe that to be a facile analogy. We might as well investigate the National Enquirer's claim that the "CIA thwarted a nuclear attack by terrorists" and that Prince Charles was "targeted by terrorists" as well. In any case, my point is that I'm tempted to dismiss these claims after my rudimentary analysis, but if someone wants to dig deeper, I would be interested in their findings. I would like to encourage anyone who has any interesting articles on this issue or any other issue and wants to reach a broader audience to post them on http://discussion.org where we have been engaging in continuous debate surrounding this issue as well as other policy issues. We are beginning to attract a broad audience of fairly conscious people, as well as some whose consciousness still needs work. ;) Also, check out the article entitled "US begins to silence dissent", for some outrageous quotes from the Bush administration which would seem to imply that the first ammendment is null and void. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Smith [mailto:vivaohio@...] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 3:23 PM To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Cc: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com; onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] September 11 rumors Very interesting...Difficult to verify, but I'm sure someone will try, and we'll hear about it sooner or later...a good lesson to be learned here. But two addtional items that weren't debunked were: 1. 5 Israeli nationals arrested from a Jersey City (Paterson?) rooftop after being found celebrating & videotaping the aftermath. (I heard & read this reported many times; & once on network news amidst a dozen snapshots of "likely arab suspects", and oops! they forgot to mention the part about them being Israelis!! 2. That Bush2 was seen smirking & slapping his knee after having helped bring about this chain of events by severely exasperating antagonisms between US Imperialism & the oil producing regions of the Middle East; first, by illegally siezing power in Nov2000 after running Nader ads in Michigan & then by executing a rapid-fire series of unilateral actions--from pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to singlehandedly destroying the ABM Treaty & pressing ahead with Missile "Defense" despite international condemnation, effectively jumpstarting the arms race & picking up where his daddy & RayGun left off... Hey, who needs sensationalism...I'm sticking to my story. Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: makemba@... Below is a website which is trying to debunk some of the alleged rumors floating around on the web about the September 11 attacks. Some of the items addressed are the video tape of the Palestinians celebrating, another is 4000 Jews not showing up for work at the WTC, viruse being sent through the mail etc. In posting this web address, I am in no way vouching for its credibility. This is an FYI. Also, as so much is happening at extremely rapid rates, and in our quest to understand and to keep abreast of what is going on around us, I would like to offer that when exchanging info that we fully document our sources whenever possible and include web addresses as well. A collection of links to pages discussing the various rumors to come out of the September 11 terrorist attack on the United States of America. The web address is: www.snopes.com ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! <A HREF="http://www.worldxchange.com/agent/default.asp?agid=218396">WorldxChang e Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page</A> FREE Download! 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� The Guardian �
US and Britain to strike terror camps within days
Attacks limited to targets found by special forces
Ed Vulliamy, Washington, Jason Burke, Peshawar, Peter Beaumont and Paul
Beaver
Sunday September 30, 2001
Devastating attacks on bases controlled by Osama bin Laden are set to be
launched in the next 48 hours as part of a tightly focused military
operation
approved by US President George Bush and backed by Britain. The strategy,
which is a victory for pragmatists in both Britain and America, is designed
to kill bin Laden and his forces, and will be launched in tandem with
strikes
against air and ground forces of the Taliban regime supporting him. The
operation, which British and US sources say could be launched as early as
today, would begin with air and missile strikes to destroy the Taliban's
20-aircraft air force, remove anti-aircraft missile batteries, and destroy
Taliban tanks and other armour. In a clear sign that strikes were imminent,
Bush declared last night, after a meeting with military advisers at Camp
David: 'America will act deliberately and decisively, and the cause of
freedom will prevail.' In a live radio address, he added: 'We did not seek
this conflict, but we will end it. This war will be fought wherever
terrorists hide, or run, or plan. Other victories will be clear to all.' The
aim of the first phase, likely to be launched from aircraft with US and
British ships in the Arabian Sea, would be to remove any threat from the
Taliban for the substantial incursion that would follow. Sources say this
would be in the form of a so-called desant operation - an airborne assault
deep into Taliban-held territory - led by helicopter-carried troops of the
US
82nd Airborne Division. Sources said that the 101st Air Assault Division has
also been ordered to be ready for action.Also fully mobilised was the 10th
Mountain Division, which would be the main ground force in what Bush called
an upcoming 'guerrilla war' fought by US and British forces. Although
soldiers of the 82nd Airborne Division are trained for low-level parachute
jumps, any assault is likely be made by first abseiling down fixed lines
from
helicopters. American forces would be supported by US Special Forces -
including US Army Rangers and Green Berets, and by British Special Forces.
British units understood to have been earmarked include mountain warfare
cadres of G-troop, 22 SAS Regiment; the Special Boat Service's Mountain
Troop
- which is trained for cliff assault and Arctic warfare - and the Mountain
Leaders' section of 4/5 Royal Marine Commando. All are trained and equipped
to operate in mountainous terrain for periods of up to a fortnight without
being resupplied. The US troops are equipped with a specialised version of
the Black Hawk attack helicopter and long range MH-47 Chinooks armed with
rotary cannon. They would also be able to call on support from AC-130
aircraft - nicknamed Puff the Magic Dragon - which can give ground support
with an artillery cannon in its belly. Initial targets earmarked for the air
assault and desant operation include bases controlled by the al-Qaeda around
Kabul, in particular those with usable air strips. Crucial evidence that
links bin Laden to the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington nearly
three weeks ago has been obtained by The Observer . A secret intelligence
dossier compiled by an Arab state with a longstanding interest in bin Laden
last night revealed that at least one of the 19 hijackers was trained in a
camp in Afghanistan run by al-Qaeda and that another is 'close to bin
Laden'.American security sources told The Observer they believe four of the
hijackers had spent time in Afghanistan with the Taliban and possibly with
al-Qaeda. One, Wali Mohamed al-Sherhi, is believed to have been taught urban
warfare and terrorism in al-Farooq training camp in eastern Afghanistan,
close to the Pakistan border. He is thought to have left Afghanistan 18
months ago. The dossier, for the first time, definitely links al-Farooq to
bin Laden, naming four men who are bin Laden aides who it says administer
and
train those at the camp. Back in Washington, the tight focus of the planned
military operation is a victory for the pragmatists in Bush's cabinet,
notably Secretary of State Colin Powell. Powell has been involved in a
battle
of wills with hawks gathered around the figure of Deputy Defence Secretary
Paul Wolfowitz, who would like to see US strikes against a wide range of
targets, including Iraq. It also follows words of caution from America's key
ally, Britain. Tony Blair has advised that the only target of military
action
should be bin Laden's network and, if necessary, the Taliban. The location
of
the bases was revealed yesterday by Russian intelligence, which has provided
the Pentagon with the most detailed intelligence so far on the network of
bin
Laden camps. The news came as British sources claimed that the Taliban was
set to flood the west with heroin in an attempt to destabilise its enemies.
US Special Forces were last night already active in Afghanistan, almost
certainly involved in scouting and preparing a secure forward airbase in
territory held by the opposition Northern Alliance.There were claims from
Afghanistan yesterday that a team of five US commandos has been captured by
al-Qaeda. The Qatar-based al-Jezeera television station said al-Qaeda
claimed
to have captured a unit 'armed with modern weapons and maps of al-Qaeda's
bases' in the south-western Helmand province. The Taliban and the Pentagon
denied the report. US officials, however, confirmed on Friday that special
forces units - possibly from the US Green Berets or the elite Rangers
regiment - had been deployed in Afghanistan on reconnaissance missions. They
hinted that soldiers from the British SAS were also involved. The special
forces had been deployed 'in the last few days', the sources told US
reporters, and were there to gather information on Taliban positions and
strengths, not to search for bin Laden. Sources in Washington said that with
British and American reconnaissance and Special Operations teams already
working on the ground to locate targets with laser-guidance and sensor
systems, US forces were ready to 'go into the first breach' in territory
controlled by al-Qaeda. Planning groups at the Pentagon will now increase
pressure on the White House to expand the action to attack locations in
Iraq,
Syria and Lebanon, with the elimination of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein as
'a precondition' to defeating terrorism.
News
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I think that at this time, there is a distinct difference between censorship
and sensitivity when it comes to broadcasting. This may be difficult to see
without day-to-day interaction with listeners/viewers from a stations
perspective. Are some stations taking it too far? Absolutely. Are others
trying to react reasonably? I think so. I also think that this is minor in
the grand scheme of things. In coming months we are going to have to pick
our fights, and trying to rally people around a list of songs that never
existed as a MANDATE shouldn't be one of them. My main concern was when
Keith had made the comment that this was something we could rally the kids
around -- I don't really think that it is.
**rob**
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:24:42
Thanks for the clarification- but correct me if I'm wrong: You're Clear
Channel corporate strangleholders are the same Clear Channel grass-roots
merely trying to be sensitive? Sounds to me like censorship. If you don't
know, fascism has been historically an outgrowth of finance capital in a
state of crisis, ergo---
-Matt
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:58:07
Though this response is a bit late, this list of songs was not banned from
the airwaves. It was a grass-roots suggestion among the clear channel
program directors. I work in radio and I have been receiving TONS of info
about this in the trades -- high controversy. What started out as an effort
to be more sensitive, on one person's part, quickly snowballed into
absurdity. There was no edict issued from the corporate office, though a
suggestion did emanate from there. List or no list, listen to your radio --
every station's playlist has changed. Even at adult contemporary stations
like mine -- people are just trying to be sensitive (though the whole notion
is kind of silly). Though I am not a supporter of Clear Channel's corporate
stranglehold on radio in America, I did want to set the record straight for
this listserve. Thanks.
*rob bertrand*
From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 10:21:11 -0500
Can we get the complete list of songs. We should resist this immediately, it
is a good
issue to organize youth around and if we don't resist, Bush will put us on
the fascism
fast track.
Matthew Smith wrote:
> It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating with
> Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were wrong.
> Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
> >
> > September 19, 2001
> >
> > THE POP LIFE
> >
> > After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
> >
> > By NEIL STRAUSS
> >
> > Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns
about
> > 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150 songs
> > and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the attacks
> > on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> >
> > Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as
the
> > Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up the
> > Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> > less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> > tragedies.
> >
> > These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by the
> > Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> > songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> > Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> > Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> > could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge
Over
> > Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat Stevens
> > and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
> >
> > The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> > than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary. Many
> > stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> > disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
> >
> > Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> > suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> > someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> > after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But 'I
> > can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true in
> > crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> > and could only be helpful right now."
> >
> > A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> > mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> > said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> > grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> > directors."
> >
> > Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> > anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> > list of questionable songs was originally generated by the corporate
> > office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> > suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued
> > to grow.
> >
> > Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to station.
> > Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM)
> > in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> > songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs,
"Jumper"
> > by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On the
> > other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> > personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs on
> > the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> > happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> > meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even
though
> > they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> > collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that
> > had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
> >
> > In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> > wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of
national
> > safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts, which
> > could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> > man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case the
> > interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> > enemy in words or song.
> >
> > The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> > safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health, though
> > First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> > blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> > terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear Channel
> > said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously
songs
> > on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael Stark,
a
> > freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on the
> > ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used to
> > heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> > they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
> >
> > In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are
mentioned
> > for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock
group
> > Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> > "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
> >
> > Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> > e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind
of
> > horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred
in
> > the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> > terms."
> >
> > "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is that
> > they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that breeds
> > intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> > extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead to
> > the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
> >
> > Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> > Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this
was
> > just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> > politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict
access
> > to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President
Bush
> > said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this could
> > potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed from
> > the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs about
> > flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove
all
> > the songs about trains and whatever else?"
> >
> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >
> > http://savewbai.tao.ca
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this list
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Defeat the Far Right, Green$ Dump Coleman -vote greasy!
Police, firefighters rap Schundler ad
The Associated Press
October 1, 2001
TRENTON -- A campaign commercial by Republican
gubernatorial candidate Bret Schundler that shows images of rescue workers
at the World Trade Center has drawn criticism from police and firefighter
unions.
Schundler's campaign on Friday began airing the
commercial, his first since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon.
In the commercial, police and firefighters toil amid the
smoke and debris of the Twin Towers, and Schundler praises emergency workers
as an embodiment of courage. The commercial also shows scenes of President
Bush, bullhorn in hand, announcing his appreciation to firefighters, police
and other rescue workers.
Police and firefighter unions that oppose the former
Jersey City mayor in his bid for governor call his use of the rescue images
an insensitive ploy to portray himself as strong on public-safety issues.
"You have someone who's attempting to portray, if you
will, his alliance with police and firemen, when he doesn't have one,"
Thomas P. Canzanella, president of the Professional Firefighters
Association of New Jersey told The New York Times for yesterday's editions.
The firefighters union and the Jersey City Police
Benevolent Association have endorsed Democrat Jim McGreevey. Canzanella
accused Schundler of cutting about 100 Jersey City firefighter positions.
Schundler's campaign manager, Bill Pascoe, told The Times
the commercial "seeks to bring people together" and that Canzanella's
criticism comes as a partisan attack because of the union's endorsement of
McGreevey.
Tom Gallagher, another Schundler campaign official, said
Jersey City firefighter positions were reduced by 30 to 40 jobs through
attrition, not layoffs.
� 2001, Associated Press
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----Original Message Follows---- From: "benjamin ramos" <uriyoan@...> Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com To: PROLIBERTAD@yahoogroups.com Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Political Prisoners on Lockdown!! Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 01:21:34 THE PROLIBERTAD FREEDOM CAMPAIGN RECEIVED THIS SATURDAY NIGHT (Sept. 29th, 2001) AND IS ASKING THAT ALL OF OUR ALLIES, SUPPORTERS AND FRIENDS TO FORWARD THIS FAR AND WIDE. PLEASE CONTACT HAWK AND ASHCROFT AND DEMAND THAT OUR BROTHERS AND SISTER BE RELEASED FROM LOCK DOWN. For more info. on ProLibertad please contact ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 __________________________________________________________________________________________________ Political prisoners put in isolation, denied contact with their lawyers! Defend their rights - and ours! In the wake of the horrific attacks of September 11, Federal authorities have severely restricted the most basic civil rights of a number of political prisoners. Political prisoners Philip Berrigan, Sundiata Acoli, Carlos Alberto Torres, Richard Williams, Jos� Sol�s, Antonio Camacho Negron, Juan Segarra Palmer, Tom Manning, Marilyn Buck and others were put in isolation following the September 11 attacks. Philip Berrigan, Tom Manning, and Marilyn Buck have recently been released back into general population. No reasons were given by authorities for this punitive move except in some cases "for their own protection" or "for investigation." At least some have been held completely incommunicado. Marilyn and Sundiata, and maybe others, were denied access even to their lawyers and religious advisors. This is an omen of things to come. In defending the rights of these imprisoned activists, we defend civil liberties for all. PLEASE CALL, WRITE OR FAX the Attorney General and the Bureau of Prisons at the addresses below. The letters and calls should focus specifically on the prisoners' right to counsel and getting them back into general population. These people have all been in prison for long terms and had absolutely nothing to do with the events of September 11 -� as the prison authorities well know. It would also be very helpful to send personal mail to as many political prisoners as you can, to give them moral support and to let the prisons see that they are not forgotten. Even brief greetings count for a lot. Addresses can be found on this website:�� prisonactivist.org/pps+pows Addresses: Kathleen Hawk Attorney General John Ashcroft Director, Federal Bureau of Prisons U.S. Department of Justice 320 First St. NW 950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW Washington, D.C. 20534 Washington, D.C. Fax: (202) 514-6620 Fax: (202) 353-1555 Phone: (202) 307-6300 Phone: (202) 514-5331 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp IF YOU CONTINUE TO THINK AS YOU ALWAYS THOUGHT, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET WHAT YOU ALWAYS GOT! VISIT THE ONE PEOPLE'S PROJECT WEBSITE: http://www.onepeople.mysticalzone.net ALSO VISIT OUR IRC CHANNEL: #oprchat at dalnet To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: onepeoplesproject-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
ON THE CONTRARY- I THINK THAT THE MOMENT THEY START TALKING ABOUT MAKING
RACIAL PROFILING THE ACCEPTED NORM FOR POLICE ACTIVITY IS WHEN EVERY RADIO
STATION SHOULD CONDIDER IT THEIR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO BLAST SPRINGSTEEN'S "41
BULLETS" ON THE HOUR EVERY HOUR AS A REMINDER OF WHAT THIS PRACTICE DOES TO
PEOPLE...& THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEFENDING FREEDOM BY DESTROYING FREEDOM,
WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THOSE WHO NEVER HAD FREEDOM RIGHT HERE IN BLESSED
AMERICA & ASK IF THEIR LACK OF FREEDOM EVER HELPED THEM TO BECOME MORE FREE.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 05:35:16
I think that at this time, there is a distinct difference between censorship
and sensitivity when it comes to broadcasting. This may be difficult to see
without day-to-day interaction with listeners/viewers from a stations
perspective. Are some stations taking it too far? Absolutely. Are others
trying to react reasonably? I think so. I also think that this is minor in
the grand scheme of things. In coming months we are going to have to pick
our fights, and trying to rally people around a list of songs that never
existed as a MANDATE shouldn't be one of them. My main concern was when
Keith had made the comment that this was something we could rally the kids
around -- I don't really think that it is.
**rob**
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:24:42
Thanks for the clarification- but correct me if I'm wrong: You're Clear
Channel corporate strangleholders are the same Clear Channel grass-roots
merely trying to be sensitive? Sounds to me like censorship. If you don't
know, fascism has been historically an outgrowth of finance capital in a
state of crisis, ergo---
-Matt
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:58:07
Though this response is a bit late, this list of songs was not banned from
the airwaves. It was a grass-roots suggestion among the clear channel
program directors. I work in radio and I have been receiving TONS of info
about this in the trades -- high controversy. What started out as an effort
to be more sensitive, on one person's part, quickly snowballed into
absurdity. There was no edict issued from the corporate office, though a
suggestion did emanate from there. List or no list, listen to your radio --
every station's playlist has changed. Even at adult contemporary stations
like mine -- people are just trying to be sensitive (though the whole notion
is kind of silly). Though I am not a supporter of Clear Channel's corporate
stranglehold on radio in America, I did want to set the record straight for
this listserve. Thanks.
*rob bertrand*
From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 10:21:11 -0500
Can we get the complete list of songs. We should resist this immediately, it
is a good
issue to organize youth around and if we don't resist, Bush will put us on
the fascism
fast track.
Matthew Smith wrote:
> It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating with
> Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were
wrong.
> Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
> >
> > September 19, 2001
> >
> > THE POP LIFE
> >
> > After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
> >
> > By NEIL STRAUSS
> >
> > Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns
about
> > 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150 songs
> > and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the attacks
> > on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> >
> > Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as
the
> > Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up
the
> > Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> > less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> > tragedies.
> >
> > These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by the
> > Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> > songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> > Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> > Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> > could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge
Over
> > Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat
Stevens
> > and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
> >
> > The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> > than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary.
Many
> > stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> > disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
> >
> > Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> > suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> > someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> > after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But 'I
> > can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true
in
> > crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> > and could only be helpful right now."
> >
> > A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> > mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> > said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> > grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> > directors."
> >
> > Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> > anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> > list of questionable songs was originally generated by the
corporate
> > office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> > suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it continued
> > to grow.
> >
> > Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to
station.
> > Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7 FM)
> > in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> > songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs,
"Jumper"
> > by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On
the
> > other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> > personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs
on
> > the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> > happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> > meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even
though
> > they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> > collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System that
> > had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
> >
> > In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> > wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of
national
> > safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts,
which
> > could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> > man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case
the
> > interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> > enemy in words or song.
> >
> > The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> > safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health,
though
> > First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> > blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> > terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear Channel
> > said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously
songs
> > on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael Stark,
a
> > freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on
the
> > ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used
to
> > heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> > they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
> >
> > In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are
mentioned
> > for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock
group
> > Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> > "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
> >
> > Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> > e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind
of
> > horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred
in
> > the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> > terms."
> >
> > "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is that
> > they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that breeds
> > intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> > extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead
to
> > the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
> >
> > Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> > Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this
was
> > just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> > politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict
access
> > to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President
Bush
> > said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this
could
> > potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed
from
> > the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs
about
> > flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove
all
> > the songs about trains and whatever else?"
> >
> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >
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> >
> >
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> >Coverage missed the point of activities >By: Jeremy Gross > > >10/01/01 >-------------------------- > >I would like to offer some words of commentary on The Daily Targum�s >overall coverage of what might be called dissenting views � at least, views >that are clearly in the minority � of our country�s ambiguously defined >�War on Terrorism.� The Targum has certainly kept to the standards being >maintained by consensus in major American publications, and in television >news outlets. The standards in question have the common quality of >infantilizing, if not demonizing, dissent. I would thus suggest that they >do not merit being observed, certainly not by a campus newspaper, with a >by-definition greater degree of independence from economic and political >imperatives than MSNBC, the Star-Ledger and so forth. (Fox News aside, >which in any other country would be considered some kind of innovative >comedy channel.) > >Consider the Targum�s coverage of the purportedly anti-war demonstrations >this past week on campus, and compare it to most television coverage of >this weekend�s similarly themed protests in the nation�s capitol. In both >cases, the same questions were asked: How are the police handling the >situation? Was it peaceful? What are some of the basic slogans and chants >being thrown about? In both cases, there were a few obligatory quips from >�the man on the street.� Quite sadly missing in both the Targum and CNN, et >al., was any serious attempt to make publicly known the thematic content of >those protests. In the Targum, all that was provided was a series of not >terribly illustrative one-liners, only one of which was actually taken from >a speech at Voorhees Mall (The Daily Targum, Sept. 27). In fact, the march >from the Douglass campus to the College Avenue campus was rather incidental >to the essence of the protest, which was a series of speeches given on the >two campuses. > >I have thus said that a publication like the Targum has a responsibility to >faithfully cover the content of dissenting opinions on very controversial >issues, and in detail. The flipside of this is that there is a >responsibility to recognize that on the margins of a certain body of >opinion there will indeed be extremists. Such people ought not to be given >the chance to obscure the message of more articulate, coherent and credible >voices. To do so is to allow a diverse community of opinion to be >monolithically lumped under the banner of a few very unrepresentative straw >men. Under circumstances so severe as the present, a publication like the >Targum has an ethical duty to ensure that very, very easily maligned, yet >credible voices not be discredited by the undesired company of extremists >masquerading as fellow-travelers. The unwarranted publication of Cliff >Smith�s letter last week, weirdly suggesting that George Bush and the CIA >planned the World Trade Center attack, is precisely a case of this (The >Daily Targum, Sept. 24). It is comparable to MSNBC allowing the protests in >Washington to be summarized by a few incessantly replayed clips of >anarchists wearing masks and waving red-and-black flags, who actually made >up a truly tiny minority of those present in comparison to middle-aged >Quakers, liberal clergymen and trade unionists. > >Under ideal circumstances, the Targum�s role in presenting important >debates on campus and, indeed, in moderating those debates would be >minimal. However, the fact remains that many people limit their engagement >in politics here at Rutgers to reading and, occasionally, writing into this >paper. For these reasons, its editors and reporters have an obligation to >be vigilant in observing the norms of open, fair and critical public >debate, especially at times when those norms fall into high unpopularity. >Ironically, it is those (deeply political) norms that often motivate people >to do more than merely read Targum articles, watch the broadcast news, and >piously trust that public officials have their best interests at heart. > >Jeremy Gross is a Rutgers College senior majoring in political science. > > > >-------------------------- >Story Source: The Daily Targum > > > >To Post a message, send it to: njfo@... >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: njfo-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Matt,
This response is completely off base. While I do value the dialogue,
especially about something that I am passionate about (media), this response
is not based on the current situation at all. I can't even reply to it.
Sorry.
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:58:56
ON THE CONTRARY- I THINK THAT THE MOMENT THEY START TALKING ABOUT MAKING
RACIAL PROFILING THE ACCEPTED NORM FOR POLICE ACTIVITY IS WHEN EVERY RADIO
STATION SHOULD CONDIDER IT THEIR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO BLAST SPRINGSTEEN'S "41
BULLETS" ON THE HOUR EVERY HOUR AS A REMINDER OF WHAT THIS PRACTICE DOES TO
PEOPLE...& THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEFENDING FREEDOM BY DESTROYING FREEDOM,
WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THOSE WHO NEVER HAD FREEDOM RIGHT HERE IN BLESSED
AMERICA & ASK IF THEIR LACK OF FREEDOM EVER HELPED THEM TO BECOME MORE FREE.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 05:35:16
I think that at this time, there is a distinct difference between censorship
and sensitivity when it comes to broadcasting. This may be difficult to see
without day-to-day interaction with listeners/viewers from a stations
perspective. Are some stations taking it too far? Absolutely. Are others
trying to react reasonably? I think so. I also think that this is minor in
the grand scheme of things. In coming months we are going to have to pick
our fights, and trying to rally people around a list of songs that never
existed as a MANDATE shouldn't be one of them. My main concern was when
Keith had made the comment that this was something we could rally the kids
around -- I don't really think that it is.
**rob**
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:24:42
Thanks for the clarification- but correct me if I'm wrong: You're Clear
Channel corporate strangleholders are the same Clear Channel grass-roots
merely trying to be sensitive? Sounds to me like censorship. If you don't
know, fascism has been historically an outgrowth of finance capital in a
state of crisis, ergo---
-Matt
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Rob Bertrand" <alarmguy96@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:58:07
Though this response is a bit late, this list of songs was not banned from
the airwaves. It was a grass-roots suggestion among the clear channel
program directors. I work in radio and I have been receiving TONS of info
about this in the trades -- high controversy. What started out as an effort
to be more sensitive, on one person's part, quickly snowballed into
absurdity. There was no edict issued from the corporate office, though a
suggestion did emanate from there. List or no list, listen to your radio --
every station's playlist has changed. Even at adult contemporary stations
like mine -- people are just trying to be sensitive (though the whole notion
is kind of silly). Though I am not a supporter of Clear Channel's corporate
stranglehold on radio in America, I did want to set the record straight for
this listserve. Thanks.
*rob bertrand*
From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] MUSIC BANNED FROM AIRWAVES
Date: Wed, 09 Jan 1980 10:21:11 -0500
Can we get the complete list of songs. We should resist this immediately, it
is a good
issue to organize youth around and if we don't resist, Bush will put us on
the fascism
fast track.
Matthew Smith wrote:
> It's extrordinary that just two weeks ago, U&S was still debating
with
> Greens on whether Bush & Co. were real fascists...I wish we were
wrong.
> Oppose War! & Impeach Bush! -MS
>
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/19/arts/music/19POPL.html
> >
> > September 19, 2001
> >
> > THE POP LIFE
> >
> > After the Horror, Radio Stations Pull Some Songs
> >
> > By NEIL STRAUSS
> >
> > Clear Channel Communications, the Texas-based company that owns
about
> > 1,170 radio stations nationwide, has circulated a list of 150
songs
> > and asked its stations to avoid playing them because of the
attacks
> > on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
> >
> > Some listed songs would be insensitive to play right now, such as
the
> > Gap Band's "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and Soundgarden's "Blow Up
the
> > Outside World," but other choices, critics and musicians say, are
> > less explicable because they have little literal connection to the
> > tragedies.
> >
> > These include "Ticket to Ride" by the Beatles, "On Broadway" by
the
> > Drifters and "Bennie and the Jets" by Elton John. Even odder, some
> > songs on the list are patriotic, like Neil Diamond's "America."
> > Others speak of universal optimism, like Louis Armstrong's "What a
> > Wonderful World," and others are emotional but hopeful songs that
> > could help people grieve, like "Imagine" by John Lennon, "Bridge
Over
> > Troubled Water" by Simon and Garfunkel, "Peace Train" by Cat
Stevens
> > and "A World Without Love" by Peter and Gordon.
> >
> > The move by Clear Channel, whose collective broadcasts reach more
> > than 110 million listeners in the nation weekly, was voluntary.
Many
> > stations, including some in the New York area, said they were
> > disregarding the list, which was distributed internally.
> >
> > Another Peter and Gordon song, "I Go to Pieces," made the list. "I
> > suppose a song about someone going to pieces could be upsetting if
> > someone took it literally," said Peter Asher of Peter and Gordon
> > after learning that the group's two songs were on the list. "But
'I
> > can't live in a world without love' is a sentiment that's as true
in
> > crisis as it is in normal times. It's a totally pro-love sentiment
> > and could only be helpful right now."
> >
> > A Clear Channel spokeswoman emphasized that the list was not a
> > mandate or order to radio programmers. In a statement, the company
> > said the list came not from the corporate offices but from "a
> > grass-roots effort that was apparently circulated among program
> > directors."
> >
> > Others in the Clear Channel network, speaking on condition of
> > anonymity, told a more complicated story. They said that a smaller
> > list of questionable songs was originally generated by the
corporate
> > office, but an overzealous regional executive began contributing
> > suggestions and circulating the list via e-mail, where it
continued
> > to grow.
> >
> > Either way, compliance with the list varied from station to
station.
> > Angela Perelli, the vice president for operations at KYSR (98.7
FM)
> > in Los Angeles, said the station was not playing any of the listed
> > songs and had previously pulled a couple of the cited songs,
"Jumper"
> > by Third Eye Blind and "Fly" by Sugar Ray, on its own accord. On
the
> > other hand, Bob Buchmann, the program director and an on-air
> > personality at WAXQ-FM (104.3) in Manhattan, said that some songs
on
> > the list ("American Pie" by Don McLean, "Imagine" and others)
> > happened to be among the most-played songs on his station. In the
> > meantime, the station decided not to broadcast some songs even
though
> > they did not make the list, such as "When You're Falling," a
> > collaboration between Peter Gabriel and Afro-Celt Sound System
that
> > had fictional lyrics too eerily similar to the truth.
> >
> > In 1942 the United States government issued a list of suggested
> > wartime practices for radio broadcasters. In the interest of
national
> > safety, it advised radio programmers to ban weather forecasts,
which
> > could help the enemy plan a bombing attack, and to avoid
> > man-on-the-street interviews and listener music requests in case
the
> > interviewee or caller was a spy conveying a coded message to the
> > enemy in words or song.
> >
> > The new list is clearly different. Instead of promoting national
> > safety, its intended aim is to ensure national mental health,
though
> > First Amendment supporters may point to it as the first shadowy
> > blacklist in what President Bush says will be a war against
> > terrorism. Radio programmers and producers outside of Clear
Channel
> > said that they found the list bewildering. "There are obviously
songs
> > on there that people could take the wrong way," said Michael
Stark,
a
> > freelance producer who works on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show" on
the
> > ABC Radio Network. "But there are just as many that could be used
to
> > heal and bring context to the tragedy. It seems from the list that
> > they don't want anything that comes close to making waves."
> >
> > In an odd anomaly on the list, a specific song or songs are
mentioned
> > for each artist except for one: the politically minded rap-rock
group
> > Rage Against the Machine. For this band, the list simply considers
> > "all Rage Against the Machine songs" questionable.
> >
> > Tom Morello, the guitarist in Rage Against the Machine, said via
> > e-mail that the band's music "is diametrically opposed to the kind
of
> > horrible violence committed against innocent people" that occurred
in
> > the Sept. 11 attacks, "which we condemn in the strongest possible
> > terms."
> >
> > "If our songs are 'questionable' in any way," he added, "it is
that
> > they encourage people to question the kind of ignorance that
breeds
> > intolerance � intolerance which can lead to censorship and the
> > extinguishing of our civil liberties, or at its extremes can lead
to
> > the kind of violence we witnessed" last week.
> >
> > Nina Crowley, the executive director of the Massachusetts Music
> > Industry Coalition, a free-speech organization, worried that this
was
> > just the beginning of suppression of artistic expression and that
> > politicians and corporations that have been trying to restrict
access
> > to popular music may expand and perpetuate this list. "President
Bush
> > said to be prepared for a long engagement," she said, "so this
could
> > potentially continue and grow, and these songs could be removed
from
> > the public ear for a long time. This list has eliminated songs
about
> > flying and falling, but when something else happens, do we remove
all
> > the songs about trains and whatever else?"
> >
> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >
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Little India businesses hurt badly after attack
Published in the Home News Tribune 10/03/01
By KEN SERRANO
STAFF WRITER
Business everywhere slumped after the terrorist attacks of
Sept. 11, general malaise seemingly the biggest contributor.
But in Little India, the cluster of mostly South Asian
businesses along Oak Tree Road in Edison and Iselin, fear also has brought
down the foot traffic.
Sayed Ali Zaidi, the Pakistan-born owner of the Ali Baba
Express restaurant who first came to the United States in 1982, said the
toll on business has been twofold.
"First this has happened to our country," he said of the
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. "People who came
in were depressed. I was depressed. I didn't feel like working, eating. No
one did."
And then came the fear of reprisals. "People were afraid to
leave their homes," he said.
Days after the attacks, business was halved, he said. It has
crept up a bit, with the single men who depend on him for meals
coming back.
"What I'm really missing right now is family business," he
said. "And after 9 p.m., nobody is here."
Business is still down by 25-30 percent, he said Friday.
The downturn has affected more than just eateries.
Mohamed Hamoud, who owns Shalimar Halal Meats and Groceries
on Oak Tree Road, also has felt the sudden downturn.
"Business has dropped 40 percent," he said Friday. "People
are afraid to go out."
Perhaps no one has taken a bigger hit than the year-old
Afghan Grill on Oak Tree Road. A Home News Tribune restaurant
reviewer gave the place four stars on Aug. 26 and its popularity was on the
rise. But after the attack, business has plummeted by as much as 90 percent,
said owners Matinee and Jagmohan Singh.
About 75 to 80 customers a night showed up on weekends before
the attacks. Now, they draw between eight and 10, Matinee
Singh said.
The couple changed the name of the business to the Asian
Grill a few days after the terrorist strikes, but it hasn't helped, she
said.
Added to that, a half-dozen crank calls a day came into the
restaurant the first few days after Sept. 11.
The couple also owns the Royal Thai, right next door. Some of
the old customers from the Afghan Grill have come there, making
up for the loss of business.
"They come to the Royal Thai and want Afghan food," said
Matinee Singh, adding that customers apparently fear entering the Grill.
The effects spread beyond Oak Tree Road.
Nadir and Gazala Khan also have faced devastating losses.
They opened their banquet hall and Pakistani restaurant, Shahnawaz Palace on
Jackson Avenue in Edison, just a few months ago.
"We were doing fine and then all of a sudden it went dead,
totally dead," Gazala Khan said. "All the reservations for September were
canceled, every party and every order. It's really disappointing."
Aside from the Singhs, most of the business owners
interviewed said they have not experienced any insults or bias incidents.
Ken Serrano: (732) 565-7212. E-mail kserrano@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: October 3, 2001
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TWO ARTICLES ON THE CURRENT RIGHT-WING MANEUVERING...THE FIRST IS BROAD, THE SECOND DEALS WITH 'FAST TRACK' LEGISLATION. ********************************************************************** The Wartime Opportunists Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman, AlterNet October 3, 2001 Corporate interests and their proxies are looking to exploit the September 11 tragedy to advance a self-serving agenda that has nothing to do with national security and everything to do with corporate profits and dangerous ideologies. Fast track and the Free Trade Area of the Americas. A corporate tax cut. Oil drilling in Alaska. Star Wars. These are some of the preposterous "solutions" and responses to the terror attack offered by corporate mouthpieces. No one has been more shameless in linking their agenda to the terror attack than U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick. Writing in The Washington Post last week, Zoellick proclaimed that granting fast-track trade negotiating authority to the president -- to assist with the ramming through Congress of a Free Trade Area of the Americas, designed to expand NAFTA to all of the Americas, among other nefarious ends -- was the best way to respond to the September 11 tragedy. "Earlier enemies learned that America is the arsenal of democracy," Zoellick wrote, "Today's enemies will learn that America is the economic engine for freedom, opportunity and development. To that end, U.S. leadership in promoting the international economic and trading system is vital. Trade is about more than economic efficiency. It promotes the values at the heart of this protracted struggle." No explanation from Zoellick about how adopting a procedural rule designed to limit congressional debate on controversial trade agreements advances the democratic and rule-of-law values he says the United States must now project. The administration has identified fast track as one of the handful of legislative priorities it hopes to see Congress enact this year. Getting fast track passed isn't big business's only priority for the shrinking legislative calendar. The Fortune 500 has been whimpering since George Bush was elected president and top administration officials told the business community to silence their demand for corporate tax cuts until after passage of the inequality-increasing personal income tax cut. Even before the September 11 attack, business interests and the anti-tax ideologues were increasingly making noise that corporate tax cuts were the solution to the coming recession. Now they are beginning to argue that capital gains tax cuts and corporate tax breaks are America's patriotic duty. In releasing a study purporting to explain how a capital gains cut would spur economic growth, the National Taxpayers Union (NTU) touted a capital gains tax cut -- a tax break that exclusively benefits the wealthy -- as an anti-terrorism initiative. "By reducing the rate at which capital gains are taxed, President Bush and Congress could help revitalize the sagging economy and bring new revenues to Washington -- decidedly aiding our war against terrorism," said NTU director of congressional relations Eric Schlecht. Not wishing to be outdone, Senator Frank Murkowski, R-Alaska, didn't wait long to explain how the terror attack makes it imperative to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). "There is no doubt that at this time of national emergency, an expedited energy-security bill must be considered," the Alaska senator announced last week. "Opening ANWR will be a central element in finally reducing this country's dangerous overdependence on unstable foreign sources of energy," he said. Neither Murkowski nor the oil companies pushing for opening ANWR have ever been able to offer a coherent explanation of how using up U.S. oil reserves heightens energy security. Security rests in maintaining the reserves. Real energy security and independence can only come from renewables (particularly solar and wind) -- where the supply is plentiful and infinitely renewing. Only a failure of public and private investment leaves the country (and the world) unable to harvest renewable energy efficiently. [Editor's note: Murkowski later backed off his position, but Senator James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, stepped in to support opening up ANWR as a legitimate response to the September 11 attacks.] And, of course, the purveyors of Star Wars couldn't let the opportunity pass them by. The Center for Security Policy --the center of a web of defense industry-backed think tanks and organizations pushing for a National Missile Defense program -- urged President Bush in advance of his address to Congress to announce that "this Administration will use every tool at its disposal to ensure that the resources and latitude needed to develop and deploy missile defenses are made available." A missile defense system -- even if it overcame the technical obstacles which have so far proved insurmountable, after billions spent -- would have done nothing to stop the September 11 attack. Nor would it do anything to stop any other conceivable terrorist attack on the United States, none of which involve might missile delivery systems. Opportunism and cynical manipulation of tragedy are nothing new in Washington. But the proposals to exploit the September 11 tragedy for narrow corporate aims mark a new low. The United States is emerging from a national mourning period. Now is the time to proceed with caution and care, as the nation seeks to address legitimate security concerns (e.g., airport security) and tend to victims of the attack. It is no time to rush through proposals on matters essentially unrelated to the attack, especially damaging and foolhardy proposals that have been unable to win popular or Congressional support when the public has had a chance to consider them dispassionately, and on the merits. Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy (Common Courage Press, 1999). ****************************************************************** This article was taken from The Nation @ http://www.thenation.com/thebeat/ Trading on Terror: Fast Tracks backers use September 11 to renew free-trade push October�3�@�6:47pm Moving to exploit a shifting political landscape in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush's Congressional point man on free trade issues has announced that he will attempt to ram a Fast Track bill through the Congress as soon as next week. Bush's demand that Congress grant him unrestricted "Fast Track" authority to negotiate a sweeping Free Trade Area of the Americas appeared to be in serious political trouble before September 11. But, after several weeks of attempting to equate support for the trade legislation as a test of patriotism, the Bush administration and its Congressional allies are now moving to force a dramatic confrontation on the issue. House Ways and Means Committee chair Bill Thomas, R-Cal., unveiled a "Trade Promotion Authority" bill Wednesday afternoon and declared that he will push for a committee vote on the legislation Friday. Though he has yet to receive a go-ahead from House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., Thomas says that if the Ways and Means Committee approves his bill he wants to see a rapid vote by the full House. Bush aides and their Congressional allies are betting that, if the Thomas measure is packaged as a component of Bush's overall response to terrorist threats and international instability, they will be able to brow beat even skeptical Democrats into backing it. But there are already signs that the Bush camp is going to have a serious fight on its hands. The AFL-CIO and its members unions have geared up a major push to block action on the bill. The labor federation restarting its toll-free number for Fast Track foes to call Congress (1-800-393-1082), the Sierra Club has issues a national action alert to its members, and key Democratic players on trade issues are voicing loud objections to the strategy of linking trade with the terrorism fight." Piggybacking Fast Track onto our nation's reawakened patriotic fervor," argued U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio, should be called what it is: "shabby political profiteering." The fury in Kaptur's words illustrates why Thomas' move is a high-stakes gamble. Fast Track remains unpopular not just with most Democrats but with many members of his own party. Opposed by labor, environmental and human rights group because it would eliminate the ability of Congress to amend or moderate anti-worker, environmentally risky and undemocratic components of trade deals reached by the Bush administration, Fast Track has long been the top legislative priority of multinational corporations and their lobbying associations. With Fast Track authority, Bush would be freed to negotiate a borderless business zone from South America to Antarctica -- creating a circumstance Public Citizen Global Trade Watch director Lori Wallach has described as "NAFTA on steroids." No surprise, then, that the Business Roundtable was praising Thomas' move as soon as it was announced. Seizing on the fact that a handful of Democrats who have long backed the corporate free-trade agenda are backing the Thomas bill, the Roundtable declared it a "fair and bipartisan compromise." But key Democratic players on trade issues, including some who have backed free-trade measures in the past, remain furious as U.S. Trade Representative Bob Zoellick's public pronouncements suggesting that it was a patriotic duty of House members to give up their ability to influence trade negotiations. The ranking Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, New York's Charles Rangel, last week dispatched a blistering letter in which he dismissed Zoellick's "Countering Terrorism With Trade" rhetoric as political posturing of the worst sort. "Mr. Zoellick clearly is using the attack and its aftermath as leverage to pressure Democrats to support giving the president Fast Track authority," argued Rangel. "But this war is not about passing Fast Track trade authority." Teamsters union President James Hoffa, who has worked with the administration on several issues in recent months, now says he is "outraged that U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick and members of Congress are planning to take advantage of the September 11 crisis to ram fast-track trade legislation through the House... " And two Democrats with histories of supporting free-trade measures, Michigan's Sander Levin and California's Robert Matsui, joined Rangel last week in blasting Thomas' labeling of his latest fast-track proposal as a "Bipartisan Compromise." Arguing that Thomas' proposal was neither "bipartisan" nor a "compromise," the trio bluntly declared that, "Bringing up a Fast Track bill at this time would disrupt the current bipartisan approach to legislation... "Despite the force of that language, foes of Fast Track still worry that Levin might cut a deal with Thomas -- as he did during the 2000 debate on granting China permanent normal trade relations. But House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt, D-Mo., and Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-SD, have indicated that they oppose linking Fast Track to economic stimulus legislation, and have warned that bringing up the divisive issue could wreck the spirit of bipartisanship that has been seen in Congress since September 11. "Just because Americans believe in eradicating terrorism does not mean they want to keep exporting good-paying jobs and undermining our nation's manufacturing and agricultural sectors," argues Kaptur, who says the administration's Fast Track agenda "is the way to a weaker American economy and a growing divide between the world's rich and poor." ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! <A HREF="http://www.worldxchange.com/agent/default.asp?agid=218396">WorldxChange Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page</A> FREE Download! 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An extremely salient insight into the causes behind the WTC Attack...from 1998! -MS > >Terrorism: Theirs and Ours >By Eqbal Ahmad > >(A Presentation at the University of Colorado, Boulder, October 12, >1998) > >Eqbal Ahmad , Professor Emeritus of International Relations and >Middle Eastern Studies at Hampshire College in Amherst, >Massachusetts, also served as a managing editor of the quarterly Race >and Class. A prolific writer, his articles and essays have been >published in The Nation, Dawn (Pakistan), among several other >journals throughout the world. He died in 1999. > >In the 1930s and 1940s, the Jewish underground in Palestine was >described a "terrorist." Then new things happened. By 1942, the >Holocaust was occurring, and a certain liberal sympathy with the >Jewish people had built up in the Western world. At that point, the >terrorists of Palestine, who were Zionists, suddenly started to be >described, by 1944-45, as "freedom fighters." At least two Israeli >Prime Ministers, including Menachem Begin, have actually, you can >find in the books and posters with their pictures, saying >"Terrorists, Reward This Much." The highest reward I have noted so >far was 100,000 British pounds on the head of Menachem Begin, the >terrorist. Then from 1969 to 1990 the PLO, the Palestine Liberation >Organization, occupied the center stage as the terrorist >organization. Yasir Arafat has been described repeatedly by the great >sage of American journalism, William Safire of the New York Times, as >the "Chief of Terrorism." > >That"s Yasir Arafat. Now, on September 29, 1998, I was rather amused >to notice a picture of Yasir Arafat to the right of President Bill >Clinton. To his left is Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. >Clinton is looking towards Arafat and Arafat is looking literally >like a meek mouse. Just a few years earlier he used to appear with >this very menacing look around him, with a gun appearing menacing >from his belt. You remember those pictures, and you remember the next >one. > >In 1985, President Ronald Reagan received a group of bearded men. >These bearded men I was writing about in those days in The New Yorker >, actually did. They were very ferocious-looking bearded men with >turbans looking like they came from another century. President Reagan >received them in the White House. After receiving them he spoke to >the press. He pointed towards them, I'm sure some of you will recall >that moment, and said, "These are the moral equivalent of America's >founding fathers". These were the Afghan Mujahiddin. They were at the >time, guns in hand, battling the Evil Empire. They were the moral >equivalent of our founding fathers! In August 1998, another American >President ordered missile strikes from the American navy based in the >Indian Ocean to kill Osama Bin Laden and his men in the camps in >Afghanistan. I do not wish to embarrass you with the reminder that >Mr. Bin Laden, whom fifteen American missiles were fired to hit in >Afghanistan, was only a few years ago the moral equivalent of George >Washington and Thomas Jefferson! He got angry over the fact that he >has been demoted from "Moral Equivalent" of your "Founding Fathers". >So he is taking out his anger in different ways. I'll come back to >that subject more seriously in a moment. You see, why I have recalled >all these stories is to point out to you that the matter of terrorism >is rather complicated. > >Terrorists change. The terrorist of yesterday is the hero of today, >and the hero of yesterday becomes the terrorist of today. This is a >serious matter of the constantly changing world of images in which we >have to keep our heads straight to know what is terrorism and what is >not. But more importantly, to know what causes it, and how to stop >it. The next point about our terrorism is that posture of >inconsistency necessarily evades definition. If you are not going to >be consistent, you're not going to define. I have examined at least >twenty official documents on terrorism. Not one defines the word. All >of them explain it, express it emotively, polemically, to arouse our >emotions rather than exercise our intelligence. I give you only one >example, which is representative. October 25, 1984. George Shultz, >then Secretary of State of the U.S., is speaking at the New York Park >Avenue Synagogue. It's a long speech on terrorism. In the State >Department Bulletin of seven single-spaced pages, there is not a >single definition of terrorism. > >What we get is the following: Definition number one: "Terrorism is a >modern barbarism that we call terrorism." Definition number two is >even more brilliant: "Terrorism is a form of political violence." >Aren't you surprised? It is a form of political violence, says George >Shultz, Secretary of State of the U.S. Number three: "Terrorism is a >threat to Western civilization." Number four: "Terrorism is a menace >to Western moral values." Did you notice, does it tell you anything >other than arouse your emotions? This is typical. They don't define >terrorism because definitions involve a commitment to analysis, >comprehension and adherence to some norms of consistency. That's the >second characteristic of the official literature on terrorism. > >The third characteristic is that the absence of definition does not >prevent officials from being globalistic. We may not define >terrorism, but it is a menace to the moral values of Western >civilization. It is a menace also to mankind. It's a menace to good >order. Therefore, you must stamp it out worldwide. Our reach has to >be global. You need a global reach to kill it. Anti-terrorist >policies therefore have to be global. Same speech of George Shultz: >"There is no question about our ability to use force where and when >it is needed to counter terrorism." There is no geographical limit. >On a single day the missiles hit Afghanistan and Sudan. Those two >countries are 2,300 miles apart, and they were hit by missiles >belonging to a country roughly 8,000 miles away. Reach is global. > > A fourth characteristic: claims of power are not only globalist they >are also omniscient. We know where they are; therefore we know where >to hit. We have the means to know. We have the instruments of >knowledge. We are omniscient. Shultz: "We know the difference between >terrorists and freedom fighters, and as we look around, we have no >trouble telling one from the other."!!!!!! Only Osama Bin Laden >doesn't know that he was an ally one day and an enemy another. That's >very confusing for Osama Bin Laden. I'll come back to his story >towards the end. It's a real story. Five. The official approach >eschews causation. You don't look at causes of anybody becoming >terrorist. Cause? What cause? They ask us to be looking, to be >sympathetic to these people. Another example. The New York Times >December 18, 1985, reported that the foreign minister of Yugoslavia, >you remember the days when there was a Yugoslavia, requested the >Secretary of State of the U.S. to consider the causes of Palestinian >terrorism. The Secretary of State, George Shultz, and I am quoting >from the New York Times , "went a bit red in the face. He pounded the >table and told the visiting foreign minister, there is no connection >with any cause. Period." Why look for causes? > >Number six. The moral revulsion that we must feel against terrorism >is selective. We are to feel the terror of those groups, which are >officially disapproved. We are to applaud the terror of those groups >of whom officials do approve. Hence, President Reagan, "I am a >contra." He actually said that. We know the contras of Nicaragua were >anything, by any definition, but terrorists. The media, to move away >from the officials, heed the dominant view of terrorism. The dominant >approach also excludes from consideration, more importantly to me, >the terror of friendly governments. To that question I will return >because it excused among others the terror of Pinochet (who killed >one of my closest friends) and Orlando Letelier; and it excused the >terror of Zia-ul-Haq, who killed many of my friends in Pakistan. All >I want to tell you is that according to my ignorant calculations, the >ratio of people killed by the state terror of Zia-ul-Haq, Pinochet, >Argentinian, Brazilian, Indonesian type, versus the killing of the >PLO and other terrorist types is literally, conservatively, one to >one hundred thousand. That's the ratio. History unfortunately >recognizes and accords visibility to power and not to weakness. >Therefore, visibility has been accorded historically to dominant >groups. In our time, the time that began with this day, Columbus Day. >The time that begins with Columbus Day is a time of extraordinary >unrecorded holocausts. Great civilizations have been wiped out. > >The Mayas, the Incas, the Aztecs, the American Indians, the Canadian >Indians were all wiped out. Their voices have not been heard, even to >this day fully. Now they are beginning to be heard, but not fully. >They are heard, yes, but only when the dominant power suffers, only >when resistance has a semblance of costing, of exacting a price. When >a Custer is killed or when a Gordon is besieged. That's when you know >that they were Indians fighting, Arabs fighting and dying. My last >point of this section: U.S. policy in the Cold War period has >sponsored terrorist regimes one after another. Somoza, Batista, all >kinds of tyrants have been America's friends. You know that. There >was a reason for that. I or you are not guilty. Nicaragua, contra. >Afghanistan, mujahiddin. El Salvador, etc. Now the second side. >You've suffered enough. So suffer more. There ain't much good on the >other side either. You shouldn't imagine that I have come to praise >the other side. But keep the balance in mind. Keep the imbalance in >mind and first ask ourselves, What is terrorism? Our first job should >be to define the damn thing, name it, give it a description of some >kind, other than "moral uivalent of founding fathers" or "a moral >outrage to Western civilization". I will stay with you with Webster's >Collegiate Dictionary: "Terror is an intense, overpowering fear." He >uses terrorizing, terrorism, "the use of terrorizing methods of >governing or resisting a government." This simple definition has one >great virtue, that of fairness. It's fair. It focuses on the use of >coercive violence, violence that is used illegally, >extra-constitutionally, to coerce. And this definition is correct >because it treats terror for what it is, whether the government or >private people commit it. Have you noticed something? Motivation is >left out of it. We're not talking about whether the cause is just or >unjust. We're talking about consensus, consent, absence of consent, >legality, absence of legality, constitutionality, absence of >constitutionality. Why do we keep motives out? Because motives >differ. Motives differ and make no difference. I have identified in >my work five types of terrorism. First, state terrorism. Second, >religious terrorism ; terrorism inspired by religion, Catholics >killing Protestants, Sunnis killing Shiites, Shiites killing Sunnis, >God, religion, sacred terror, you can call it if you wish. State, >church. Crime. Mafia. All kinds of crimes commit terror. > >There is pathology. You're pathological. You're sick. You want the >attention of the whole world. You've got to kill a president. You >will. You terrorize. You hold up a bus. Fifth, there is political >terror of the private group; be they Indian, Vietnamese, Algerian, >Palestinian, Baader-Meinhof, the Red Brigade. Political terror of the >private group. Oppositional terror. Keep these five in mind. Keep in >mind one more thing. Sometimes these five can converge on each other. >You start with protest terror. You go crazy. You become pathological. >You continue. They converge. State terror can take the form of >private terror. For example, we're all familiar with the death squads >in Latin America or in Pakistan. Government has employed private >people to kill its opponents. It's not quite official. It's >privatized. Convergence. Or the political terrorist who goes crazy >and becomes pathological. Or the criminal who joins politics. In >Afghanistan, in Central America, the CIA employed in its covert >operations drug pushers. Drugs and guns often go together. Smuggling >of all things often go together. Of the five types of terror, the >focus is on only one, the least important in terms of cost to human >lives and human property [Political Terror of those who want to be >heard]. The highest cost is state terror. The second highest cost is >religious terror, although in the twentieth century religious terror >has, relatively speaking, declined. If you are looking historically, >massive costs. The next highest cost is crime. Next highest, >pathology. A Rand Corporation study by Brian Jenkins, for a ten-year >period up to 1988, showed 50% of terror was committed without any >political cause at all. No politics. Simply crime and pathology. So >the focus is on only one, the political terrorist, the PLO, the Bin >Laden, whoever you want to take. Why do they do it? What makes the >terrorist tick? I would like to knock them out quickly to you. > >First, the need to be heard. Imagine, we are dealing with a minority >group, the political, private terrorist. First, the need to be heard. >Normally, and there are exceptions, there is an effort to be heard, >to get your grievances heard by people. They're not hearing it. A >minority acts. The majority applauds. The Palestinians, for example, >the super terrorists of our time, were dispossessed in 1948. From >1948 to 1968 they went to every court in the world. They knocked at >every door in the world. They were told that they became dispossessed >because some radio told them to go away-an Arab radio, which was a >lie. Nobody was listening to the truth. Finally, they invented a new >form of terror, literally their invention: the airplane hijacking. >Between 1968 and 1975 they pulled the world up by its ears. They >dragged us out and said, Listen, Listen. We listened. We still >haven't done them justice, but at least we all know. Even the >Israelis acknowledge. Remember Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel, >saying in 1970, "There are no Palestinians." They do not exist. They >damn well exist now. W e are cheating them at Oslo. At least there >are some people to cheat now. We can't just push them out. The need >to be heard is essential. One motivation there. Mix of anger and >helplessness produces an urge to strike out. You are angry. You are >feeling helpless. You want retribution. You want to wreak retributive >justice. The experience of violence by a stronger party has >historically turned victims into terrorists. Battered children are >known to become abusive parents and violent adults. You know that. >That's what happens to peoples and nations. When they are battered, >they hit back. State terror very often breeds collective terror. Do >you recall the fact that the Jews were never terrorists? By and large >Jews were not known to commit terror except during and after the >Holocaust. Most studies show that the majority of members of the >worst terrorist groups in Israel or in Palestine, the Stern and the >Irgun gangs, were people who were immigrants from the most >anti-Semitic countries of Eastern Europe and Germany. Similarly, the >young Shiites of Lebanon or the lestinians from the refugee camps are >battered people. They become very violent. > >The ghettos are violent internally. They become violent externally >when there is a clear, identifiable external target, an enemy where >you can say, "Yes, this one did it to me". Then they can strike back. >Example is a bad thing. Example spreads. There was a highly >publicized Beirut hijacking of the TWA plane. After that hijacking, >there were hijacking attempts at nine different American airports. >Pathological groups or individuals modeling on the others. Even more >serious are examples set by governments. When governments engage in >terror, they set very large examples. When they engage in supporting >terror, they engage in other sets of examples. Absence of >revolutionary ideology is central to victim terrorism. >Revolutionaries do not commit unthinking terror. Those of you who are >familiar with revolutionary theory know the debates, the disputes, >the quarrels, the fights within revolutionary groups of Europe, the >fight between anarchists and Marxists, for example. But the Marxists >have always argued that revolutionary terror, if ever engaged in, >must be sociologically and psychologically selective. Don't hijack a >plane. Don't hold hostages. Don't kill children, for God's sake. Have >you recalled also that the great revolutions, the Chinese, the >Vietnamese, the Algerian, the Cuban, never engaged in hijacking type >of terrorism? They did engage in terrorism, but it was highly >selective, highly sociological, still deplorable, but there was an >organized, highly limited, selective character to it. So absence of >revolutionary ideology that begins more or less in the post-World War >II period has been central to this phenomenon. > >My final question is-These conditions have existed for a long time. >But why then this flurry of private political terrorism? Why now so >much of it and so visible? The answer is modern technology. You have >a cause. You can communicate it through radio and television. They >will all come swarming if you have taken an aircraft and are holding >150 Americans hostage. They will all hear your cause. You have a >modern weapon through which you can shoot a mile away. They can't >reach you. And you have the modern means of communicating. When you >put together the cause, the instrument of coercion and the instrument >of communication, politics is made. A new kind of politics becomes >possible. To this challenge rulers from one country after another >have been responding with traditional methods. The traditional method >of shooting it out, whether it's missiles or some other means. The >Israelis are very proud of it. The Americans are very proud of it. >The French became very proud of it. Now the Pakistanis are very proud >of it. The Pakistanis say, "Our commandos are the best." Frankly, it >won't work. > >A central problem of our time are the political minds, rooted in the >past, and modern times, producing new realities. Therefore in >conclusion, what is my recommendation to America? Quickly. First, >avoid extremes of double standards. If you're going to practice >double standards, you will be paid with double standards. Don't use >it. Don't condone Israeli terror, Pakistani terror, Nicaraguan >terror, El Salvadoran terror, on the one hand, and then complain >about Afghan terror or Palestinian terror. It doesn't work. Try to be >even-handed. A superpower cannot promote terror in one place and >reasonably expect to discourage terrorism in another place. It won't >work in this shrunken world. Do not condone the terror of your >allies. Condemn them. Fight them. Punish them. Please eschew, avoid >covert operations and low-intensity warfare. These are breeding >grounds of terror and drugs. Violence and drugs are bred there. The >structure of covert operations, I've made a film about it, which has >been very popular in Europe, called Dealing with the Demon .. > >I have shown that wherever covert operations have been, there has >been the central drug problem. That has been also the center of the >drug trade. Because the structure of covert operations, Afghanistan, >Vietnam, Nicaragua, Central America, is very hospitable to drug >trade. Avoid it. Give it up. It doesn't help. Please focus on causes >and help ameliorate causes. Try to look at causes and solve problems. >Do not centrate on military solutions. Do not seek military >solutions. Terrorism is a political problem. Seek political >solutions. Diplomacy works. Take the example of the last attack on >Bin Laden. You don't know what you're attacking. They say they know, >but they don't know. They were trying to kill Qadaffi. They killed >his four-year-old daughter. The poor baby hadn't done anything. >Qadaffi is still alive. They tried to kill Saddam Hussein. They >killed Laila Bin Attar, a prominent artist, an innocent woman. They >tried to kill Bin Laden and his men. Not one but twenty-five other >people died. They tried to destroy a chemical factory in Sudan. Now >they are admitting that they destroyed an innocent factory, one-half >of the production of medicine in Sudan has been destroyed, not a >chemical factory. You don't know. You think you know. Four of your >missiles fell in Pakistan. One was slightly damaged. Two were totally >damaged. One was totally intact. For ten years the American >government has kept an embargo on Pakistan because Pakistan is >trying, stupidly, to build nuclear weapons and missiles. So we have a >technology embargo on my country. One of the missiles was intact. >What do you think a Pakistani official told the Washington Post? He >said it was a gift from Allah. We wanted U.S. technology. Now we have >got the technology, and our scientists are examining this missile >very carefully. It fell into the wrong hands. So don't do that. Look >for political solutions. Do not look for military solutions. They >cause more problems than they solve. Please help reinforce, >strengthen the framework of international law. There was a criminal >court in Rome. Why didn't they go to it first to get their warrant >against Bin Laden, if they have some evidence? Get a warrant, then go >after him. Internationally. Enforce the U.N. Enforce the >International Court of Justice, this unilateralism makes us look very >stupid and them relatively smaller. Q&A The question here is that I >mentioned that I would go somewhat into the story of Bin Laden, the >Saudi in Afghanistan and didn't do so, could I go into some detail? >The point about Bin Laden would be roughly the same as the point >between Sheikh Abdul Rahman, who was accused and convicted of >encouraging the blowing up of the World Trade Center in New York >City. The New Yorker did a long story on him. It's the same as that >of Aimal Kansi, the Pakistani Baluch who was also convicted of the >murder of two CIA agents. > >Let me see if I can be very short on this. Jihad, which has been >translated a thousand times as "holy war," is not quite just that. >Jihad is an Arabic word that means, "to struggle." It could be >struggle by violence or struggle by non-violent means. There are two >forms, the small jihad and the big jihad. The small jihad involves >violence. The big jihad involves the struggles with self. Those are >the concepts. The reason I mention it is that in Islamic history, >jihad as an international violent phenomenon had disappeared in the >last four hundred years, for all practical purposes. It was revived >suddenly with American help in the 1980s. When the Soviet Union >intervened in Afghanistan, Zia ul-Haq, the military dictator of >Pakistan, which borders on Afghanistan, saw an opportunity and >launched a jihad there against godless communism. The U.S. saw a >God-sent opportunity to mobilize one billion Muslims against what >Reagan called the Evil Empire. Money started pouring in. CIA agents >starting going all over the Muslim world recruiting people to fight >in the great jihad. Bin Laden was one of the early prize recruits. He >was not only an Arab. He was also a Saudi. He was not only a Saudi. >He was also a multimillionaire, willing to put his own money into the >matter. Bin Laden went around recruiting people for the jihad against >communism. I first met him in 1986. He was recommended to me by an >American official of whom I do not know whether he was or was not an >agent. I was talking to him and said, "Who are the Arabs here who >would be very interesting?" By here I meant in Afghanistan and >Pakistan He said, "You must meet Osama." I went to see Osama. There >he was, rich, bringing in recruits from Algeria, from Sudan, from >Egypt, just like Sheikh Abdul Rahman. This fellow was an ally. He >remained an ally. He turns at a particular moment. In 1990 the U.S. >goes into Saudi Arabia with forces. Saudi Arabia is the holy place of >Muslims, Mecca and Medina. There had never been foreign troops there. >In 1990, during the Gulf War, they went in, in the name of helping >Saudi Arabia defeat Saddam Hussein. Osama Bin Laden remained quiet. >Saddam was defeated, but the American troops stayed on in the land of >the kaba (the sacred site of Islam in Mecca), foreign troops. He >wrote letter after letter saying, Why are you here? Get out! You came >to help but you have stayed on. Finally he started a jihad against >the other occupiers. His mission is to get American troops out of >Saudi Arabia. His earlier mission was to get Russian troops out of >Afghanistan. See what I was saying earlier about covert operations? A >second point to be made about him is these are tribal people, people >who are really tribal. Being a millionaire doesn't matter. Their code >of ethics is tribal. The tribal code of ethics consists of two words: >loyalty and revenge. You are my friend. You keep your word. I am >loyal to you. You break your word, I go on my path of revenge. For >him, America has broken its word. The loyal friend has betrayed. The >one to whom you swore blood loyalty has betrayed you. They're going >to go for you. They're going to do a lot more. These are the chickens >of the Afghanistan war coming home to roost. This is why I said to >stop covert operations. 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Volunteers register voters to help improve transit
Published in the Home News Tribune 10/04/01
By JENNIFER MICALE
STAFF WRITER
As the train roared to a halt at the Metropark station in Iselin
yesterday, Amanda Allgor sprang into action.
"Do you want to register to vote?" the Transit Vote New Jersey
volunteer asked as commuters emerged from the tunnel under the tracks. She
flipped over her clipboard to display a sign on its underside, urging
people, "Register to Vote."
Most commuters avoided her eyes, and they made a beeline for the
parking deck. But the determined volunteer wasn''t about to give up and
quickly walked into the tunnel in hot pursuit of a prospective voter.
"Amanda always gets her guy," joked fellow volunteer Jennifer
Murphy.
Volunteers from the group worked 20 bus and train stations
throughout the state to register voters and raise awareness about
transportation issues. Transit Vote is a coalition that includes NJ Citizen
Action, transportation experts, labor unions and groups for the disabled,
the environment and senior citizens, all of whom say mass transit is
underfunded and doesn''t meet the needs of many state residents.
During the morning rush hour, the group at Metropark had
registered nearly 100 people, program director Staci Berger said. Tuesday is
the last day Garden State voters can register for the upcoming election.
The volunteers placed their registration material on an ironing
board, which drew curious stares from passers-by. Part of the reason they
bring it is to attract attention, Berger noted. It didn''t work with one
woman, who hustled past toting luggage and a shopping bag.
"Want to register to vote?" Murphy asked.
"I''m late for the train!" protested the woman, but added that she
hadn''t registered yet.
Jennifer Micale: (732) 565-7217. E-mail jmicale@...
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Published: October 4, 2001
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RUTGERS UNIVERSITY: RU womens' groups find 'home'
Published in the Home News Tribune 10/04/01
By SARAH GREENBLATT
STAFF WRITER
Women''s organizations at Rutgers University would like a building
they can call home, but they''re making do - at least for now - with a room
of their own.
Dozens of students gathered yesterday to celebrate this year''s
reopening of a lounge in the Douglass College Center that has been set aside
for women''s organizations on campus.
With its small library and labyrinth of easy chairs, the lounge
provides campus groups and individual women a haven for research, meetings
and casual gatherings.
"It''s a room that''s our own," said Charlotte Kates of the
Women''s Defense Coalition.
The lounge has been designated as a temporary women''s center
since February, giving student groups the meeting place they lacked since
the Women''s Support and Resource Center was closed in January 2000.
The resource center was closed to create space for counseling
offices that had been displaced by a fire. Women''s organizations protested
the move, contending they needed a permanent sanctuary in which to meet and
help classmates sort through sensitive matters.
"There''s definitely a need for a women''s center," Douglass
sophomore Carolyn Thomas said. "In a month''s time, 1,000 people come in and
out of here."
WDC co-president Audrey Allred said campus organizations hope to
sponsor cultural events and offer self-defense classes this year.
"We need a permanent center with a full-time director," Allred
said.
Rutgers is one of the few large universities that lacks a women''s
center, WDC co-president Jen Kosakowski said.
But it is not clear whether Rutgers will establish a permanent
facility.
A task force that has studied existing campus resources is
scheduled to make a recommendation this month on the need for a permanent
center, said Professor Barbara Callaway, who heads the group.
The task force could endorse a permanent center or conclude that
existing services and resources simply need better coordination, Callaway
said.
"We hope to decide by mid-month," she said.
If there is support for a permanent center, she added, the group
would later recommend what kind of physical and staffing resources would be
needed.
Sarah Greenblatt: (732) 565-7205. E-mail sgreenbl@...
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Published: October 4, 2001
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still no explaination. what's the action? joe nj anti-war coalition events committee meeting 7:00pm friday womens center douglas student center >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >I would like to know what this is about. >I already sd that sectarianism is a form of opportunism. While I am all for >drawing clear lines of demarcation, so that there is no mistake about >political lines, at the same time this isn't a "game" that a group or >anyone else controls. We are talking (I hope) about orgainzing the people >to seize power (for their own benifit, not the benifit of their wanna be >leaders). >I think that explainaition is required but the language of "game" implying >control is betrays alot. Calling others aents even if you disagree strongly >doesn't help it only plays into the divide and conquer strategy of >Imperialsim. > > >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >> >>i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into >>the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails >>like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee >>reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and >>who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? >> >>joe smith >> >>>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >>>To: can_bush@... >>>Subject: fake playaz >>>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 >>> >>get your own game, agents. >><< message3.txt >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Another good insight into the ties that bind... **************************************************** International Herald Tribune October 1, 2001 A Strange Alliance With Saudi And Pakistani Foes Of Modernity By William Pfaff, Los Angeles Times Syndicate PARIS -- The fundamentalism that inspires Osama bin Laden is shared by the two Muslim states that are America's most important allies in its war against terrorism. Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy ruled by the Wahhabi religious movement, which is at the source of modern Islamic fundamentalism. The military government of Pakistan is heavily under the influence of the same fundamentalist convictions that animate the Taliban in Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden, accused leader of the group responsible for the Sept. 11 terrorist outrages in New York and Washington, is a Wahhabi who believes that his religion has been betrayed. This Islamic reform movement originated in Arab resistance to Turkish rule in the 18th century. In the early 20th century it overturned the orthodox Hashemite dynasty of Saudi Arabia and took control of all the Arabian Peninsula. Its leader then was ibn Saud, and his puritanical and intolerant Wahhabi version of Islam became and remains the religion of Arabia. It is officially intolerant of any other religion, enforcing a fanatically puritanical social order in which women are excluded from public life and primitive punishments are imposed for violations of traditional law. Mr. bin Laden's terrorist campaign is not primarily directed against the United States, which he expects eventually to collapse on its own, as a result of what the fundamentalists see as its decadence. Their aim is to unseat the Saudi Arabian elite that has permitted an "infidel" United States to install itself in the nation of the Islamic Holy Places. This is why the relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia is so uncomfortable today. Washington is reluctant to talk about it because America is heavily dependent on Arabian oil, and the Saudi leadership is silent because it depends on U.S. protection. Washington has heavy political and military commitments to Saudi Arabia, while it has turned a half-blind eye to the Saudis' promotion of their radical version of Islam among the Taliban in Afghanistan, elsewhere in the Middle East and in Central Asia and Africa. The same discomfort exists in the United States' relations with Pakistan, whose military government has not (at this writing) fully agreed to Washington's demands for military bases and cooperation against a Taliban regime that the Pakistan intelligence services themselves installed in power in Afghanistan. The source of radical Islam today is Saudi Arabia. So long as Saudi oil riches subsidize Wahhabi influence and expansion, fundamentalism will have a firm financial and political base. Saudi Arabia is, at the same time, under attack from the radical and violent movement mobilized by the children of the Saudi elite, such as Mr. bin Laden. He is joined by recruits from an alienated and often well educated generation of young Muslims elsewhere, declared enemies both of America and of their own allegedly corrupted national leaders. When one writes about the internal complexities in the war against terrorism, and origins of the terrorist movement, some readers say this amounts to giving aid and comfort to the enemy by offering an explanation for what they do. They are thereby humanized. My own recent columns on the subject have provoked a more hostile reception, mainly from readers in the United States, than I have experienced in the past when writing on any subject. These readers seem not to want Islamic fundamentalist terrorism placed against a historical and cultural background, presumably because this constitutes an obstacle to seeing the enemy as simply a manifestation of evil. A critic in Chicago asked, "Are you trying to rationalize the murder of 6,000 innocent civilians?" There is a difference in the language between "explain" and "rationalize," which I would have thought my readers understood. There has also been an angry reaction to my argument that Americans must accept the consequences of U.S. policies that contributed to bringing us to this crisis. Nations, like individuals, pay a price for what they have, or have not, done in the past. The terrorists are taking revenge, in their minds, for harm done to them and their society by the United States. In the case of a puritanical and literally reactionary movement, such as the Wahhabis, the influence of the modern secular world is itself harmful. The role of the United States as a modernizing force in global society is, in this worldview, criminal in itself. American critics of U.S. Middle Eastern policy often say that Washington is hated because it has supported dictatorial governments. These Middle Eastern critics hate the United States for the opposite reason: because it brings secular and liberal democratic ideas into the region. America's support for Israel is not a primary issue for the bin Laden movement. It is a very important factor in opinion elsewhere in the Middle East, with particularly damaging effect among pro-democratic groups. The fundamentalists are concerned with the condition of Islamic society itself - its integrity, its purity, its future. This is why their fanaticism is deaf both to America's threats and to reason. phone: 609-258-5468 fax: 609-258-3661 email: zia@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
----Original Message Follows---- From: Jon Levine <jlevine@...> Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: [poprogress] Office of Homeland Security forces three websites offline Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 13:08:28 -0400 Date: 9/30/2001 Three Political Websites Downed After Government "Homeland Security" Threat IRARADIO.com, the web site which archives all Radio Free Eireann broadcasts, has been taken down because the web service provider was threatened with seizure of their assets if they continued to host "terrorist" radio programs. Travis E. Towle, the Founder and CEO of Cosmic Entertainment Company, which put up IRARADIO.COM, was told by their internet service provider, Hypervine, that they had been "strongly advised" to take the web site down. A Hypervine representative read Mr. Towle a statement that, under an Executive Order recently signed by President Bush, the newly created Office of Homeland Security can seize all assets "without any notice and/or any real un-reasonable evidence of any company or person that helps, supports, or does anything that can be called or labeled terrorism or is found to be connected to terrorism in any way or means possible." Hypervine is a subsidiary of the New York based Skynet. These threats have also caused Cosmic Entertainment to close the web sites archiving two other WBAI radio programs, "Our Americas" and "Grandpa Al Lewis Live." "Our Americas," hosted by Mario Murillo, is an acclaimed news magazine covering Latin America. "Grandpa Al Lewis Live" features commentary by the actor and political activist who starred in "The Munsters" and "Car 54 Where Are You." Radio Free Eireann, which broadcasts Saturday afternoons at 1:30 p.m. on WBAI 99.5 FM has covered the conflict in Northern Ireland for over twenty years. Guests have included Bernadette Sands, the sister of IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands; Rauri O'Bradaigh, the President of Republican Sinn Fein; Sinn Fein chief negotiator Martin McGuinness and Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern. http://slash.autonomedia.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/30/1859212 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
From Princeton, I think...great info -MAtt "IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE"- BUT IT IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE " We haven't gotten beyond the shock of our own nation being attacked, and now we're being attacked"- Mandeep Dhillon Singh Fact: Between 400 and 500 racially biased crimes have been documented since September 11. Sikhs alone-a group that is neither Muslim nor Arab- have reported more than 200 crimes. A substantial number of these attacks have occurred in areas thought to be more "tolerant" of diversity. Briefly: � Los Angeles- September 17th, Adel Karas an Egyptian American is mistaken for Muslim and is shot point-blank in his store � Los Angeles- September 14th, a Persian women in a restaurant is jokingly referred to as an Arab, she is then punched in the face by another restaurant patron � Los Angeles- September 12th, two Spanish-speaking women at a doctor's office are attacked by a white women who yells "you foreigners caused all these problems" � San Diego-September 13th , A cherry bomb is exploded outside the city's Islamic Center � Beverly Hills- September 17th, A woman wearing a Koranic charm is verbally abused by other customers. No one in the store offered to help. The owner instead apologized to the perpetrators � New York- September 11th, Attar Singh Bhatia, a Sikh, severed injured & hospitalized after being attacked with a baseball bat � New York- September 17th, Reported that 2 Pakistanis have been killed in Coney Island � Long Island, NY- September 13th, A drunk driver tried to run over a Pakistani woman, then followed and threatened to kill her for "destroying my country" � New Jersey-September 13th,Muslim attendant at a gas station is punched in the face by a motorist � Philadelphia-September 14th, An off-duty police officer pulled a gun on a Pakistani convenience store owner � Philadelphia- September 15th, Looters pillaged two Arab-American stores � Chicago-September 12th, A firebomb tossed at an Arab-American community center � Chicago-September 13th, 300 marchers rallied against a suburban mosque. Marchers stated, " I'm proud to be an American and I hate Arabs" IN THE WAKE OF OKLAHOMA: LEGISLATION THAT VIOLATES CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS "People in our community are aware of secret evidence and it is having a chilling effect on their expressing themselves on issues"- Aly R. Abuzaakouk" The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (1996)-Hany Kiareldeen, a Palestinian immigrant spent over 19 months in prison accused of being an accomplice to terrorists, with secret anonymous evidence, as part of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Law. Immigrations and Naturalization Services was attempting to deport Mr. Kiareldeen, though neither he nor his lawyers were ever able to see any of the evidence detailed against him. Secret evidence has been in use since the 1950's and is currently being used to hold approximately 20 other people of Arab descent. In response to Kiareldeen's suit, Federal Courts decried the evidence as unreliable and unconstitutional. One judge stated, "Detention on basis of secret evidence is a violation of due process". The Omnibus Counter-Terrorism Act (1995) -Makes it a crime to knowingly raise and contribute funds, donate educational and humanitarian aid to "designated, terrorist, foreign groups". The legislation's definition of terrorist activity is very broad. Indeed Nelson Mandela's ANC would have fallen under the definition. Yet, 10 of the 12 targeted groups are Palestinian, all of who engage in social welfare programs, which are seriously jeopardized. AN ATTACK AGAINST DIVERSITY It is not just Arab-American and Muslim- Americans who are attacked. For the "sake of America", many ethnic groups deal with bias crimes everyday. Briefly: � April 30th 2000- Richard Baumhammers kills three Asian -Americans, one African- American, one Jewish-American, and critically wounds one South Asian American to "support the Free Market Party - dedicated to the concerns of European-Americans." � August 10th 1999- Buford Furrows kills Joseph Ileto, a Filipino-American and shoots 70 bullets into a Jewish community center. He stated that Ileto looked "Hispanic or Asian" making him a "good target" � July 4th 1999-Won Joon Koon, a Korean graduate student, and Ricky Byrdson, an African-American were shot and killed by Benjamin Smith. � April 5th 1999- Naoki Kamijima, a Japanese-American, was shot to death in his own store. Killer was looking for " people of certain ethnicities" � June 18th 1995- Thanh Mai, a Vietnamese- American was attacked by a group headed by Michael Hallman, calling him a "gook". He died of massive head trauma. The prosecutor did not file hate crime charges. Hallman was convicted on manslaughter with a sentence of only 2 to 15 years. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
2 feminist groups back McGreevey
Published in the Home News Tribune 10/05/01
By DEBORAH YAFFE
GANNETT STATE BUREAU
TRENTON -- The state political affiliates of two leading feminist
organizations announced yesterday that they are endorsing
Democrat Jim McGreevey in the governor's race, and they branded Republican
nominee Bret Schundler an extremist for opposing abortion rights.
"In New Jersey, the choice is clear on what we need to do," Gloria Feldt,
president of the national Planned Parenthood Action
Fund, said during a Statehouse press conference announcing the local
affiliate's endorsement. "It's pretty simple: We need to stop Bret
Schundler."
The political arms of both Planned Parenthood and the second
organization, the New Jersey chapter of the National Organization for Women,
said they plan to promote McGreevey's candidacy by talking with their
members, organizing get-out-the-vote drives
and possibly running advertisements.
McGreevey supports abortion rights, while Schundler opposes abortion.
"These endorsements highlight the stark difference between Jim McGreevey
and Bret Schundler on an issue that's so important to women," McGreevey
spokesman Richard McGrath said.
But Schundler spokesman Bill Guhl said the endorsements would have no
impact.
"People who are voting in this election are going to be concerned with
much more relevant things, like who is going to lower
property taxes and fix our schools, not what a couple of groups that are
apparently out there to advocate for Democratic candidates are saying," Guhl
said.
Between them, the NOW and Planned Parenthood affiliates claim to
represent 60,000 New Jersey members -- potentially a
substantial number, given that the last two governor's races were each
decided by about 26,000 votes. But polls suggest that abortion ranks low
among voters' concerns, well behind such issues as education and taxes.
Still, support for abortion rights "may matter to swing voters in
suburbia," said Rider University political scientist David
Rebovich. "It may provide citizens with a cue as to where they think the
politicians stand on a variety of issues."
In separate press conferences held hours apart in the same Statehouse
meeting room, both the NOW and Planned Parenthood
affiliates said they hoped their endorsements, coming less than five weeks
before Election Day, would refocus voters on issues eclipsed by the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks.
Neither group endorsed a gubernatorial candidate in 1997, when
McGreevey ran against former Gov. Christie Whitman, an
abortion-rights supporter. And both groups oppose requiring teen-age girls
to notify a parent before getting an abortion, a measure that McGreevey
supports.
But both groups said they were galvanized by Schundler's
candidacy. "This is a special year," said Jeff Brand, the president of
the Planned Parenthood Action Fund of New Jersey. "We have an extreme
candidate for governor."
Both groups also insisted their support for McGreevey amounts
to more than an anyone-but-Schundler position. "We are not
going to endorse someone who does not care about the issues just because
their opponent is a Neanderthal," said Elizabeth Volz,
the chair of NOW of New Jersey's political action committee.
But New Jersey Right to Life, the state's leading
anti-abortion group, which has endorsed Schundler, said the NOW and Planned
Parenthood nods show that McGreevey "will be a tool of the abortion
industry."
� copyright 2001 Gannett News Service
from the Home News Tribune
Published: October 5, 2001
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Center celebrates semester reopening By: Adina Efron, Staff Writer 10/04/01 -------------------------- Women in search of a safe space can once again go to the Rutgers University Women�s Center. The Women�s Defense Coalition celebrated the center�s reopening on the third floor of the Douglass College Center Wednesday. About 50 people attended the evening of music and poetry. The center closed over the summer, according to WDC co-presidents Audrey Allred and Jen Kosakowski, due to space conflict with a child daycare center and a lack of resources. The center will begin operating on its normal hours on Oct. 14. In January of 2000, a fire that began at the Sigma Alpha Mu fraternity house on College Avenue burned down the connecting Rutgers College Counseling Center, which then moved to 17 Senior St. � the home of the Women�s Support and Resource Center. The space shortage forced the Women�s Center out. The WDC formed that spring in response to the dislocation of the Women�s Support and Resource Center. It held rallies, marches and teach-ins to raise awareness of the need for a permanent safe space for women. Allred, a Douglass College senior, said the WDC sent petitions to the University administration and camped out on the steps of Brower Commons on the College Avenue campus �to symbolize that women have no space at the University.� Through these efforts, the WDC secured its current location, which officially opened in February of 2001. Allred said Wednesday night�s event served as a �celebration of women�s space and to let the University community know that we are, in fact, open.� In a room the size of a large bedroom, the center plans to provide referral information, house a book and magazine library, present lectures and allow women to network and discuss issues affecting their lives. The WDC ultimately hopes to develop an �established and thorough library in a permanent women�s center,� Douglass College junior Kosakowski said. �Having a physical space legitimizes something � in this case, a place for the women�s movement to foment,� Allred said. Since opening last spring, student organizations such as Lesbian and Bisexual Womyn in Action and Feminist Majority Leadership Alliance have held meetings at the center. Take Back the Night, an annual march protesting violence against women, also operates out of the third-floor room. In order to keep the center open six to eight hours a day as planned, the WDC must increase the number of trained volunteers from 30 to about 60. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
you knew this? i didnt. yr 'trend' reps had u&s (beatbush!) in they computer, in nwk, where it sat, for 1 yr. (blamed on 'njfo majority') while they were registered republicans, running as for local office, elected frank bright to nb gop(!) chair, &to peoples' campaign steering committee, result in bright appointed, by nj dept of community affairs, to nb housing authority over resident rep. (as projects are demolished, 200 families w/ no replacement housing...) &is 1st gop in nb to hold office. (who else cd claim 2000 nb gop votes?) nevermind the silence on bush. which we challenged last may, 2000 (also date of last u&s...) &were expelled for by yr 'trend' reps. (same who expelled us from u&s study group &njfo in '96 for opposing 'boycott!') who also put that we were 'paid by lynch's nb democrats' to sabotage campaign, finally bringing physical threats &only spun around after(!) curtis warren openly admitted being republican (since '88!). after bushcoup, &tc. 'unclear' to you maybe less 'unclear' to those in nb public housing who have a bushboy deciding their residence (next door to soaries) thx to yr 'trend' reps, who still defend they moves. you can drop archiebunker jokes all day &hide argument behind sudden sensitivity(!) to vulgarity. the real vulgarity is perpetrated on nb peoples by yo peoples unclear? what? 'still takin it personal...' >From: Amirib@... >To: cliffsmith69@... >Subject: Re: you still co-signing this? >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:22:20 EDT > >unclear _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Castro expresses sympathy for U.S.
victims of terrorism, demands justice in
1976 bombing
By ANITA SNOW
The Associated Press
10/6/01 1:33 PM
HAVANA (AP) -- Cuban President Fidel Castro gathered
hundreds of
thousands of people Saturday to demand justice in the
bombing of a
Cuban airliner 25 years ago, saying punishing the
suspects in the 1976
attack would be part of the international struggle
against terrorism.
The island nation, which has vowed to aid U.N.
anti-terrorism efforts
following the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States,
has the "full moral
authority and right to demand an end to terrorism
against Cuba," Castro
told the huge crowd assembled to remember the victims
of the airliner
bombing.
The communist leader contrasted the international
reaction to the Cold
War-era airliner bombing with the response to the Sept.
11 attacks, which
destroyed the World Trade Center, damaged the Pentagon
and killed
more than 5,000 people.
"The death of 73 people aboard a Cuban jetliner blown
up in mid-flight
would be the same to the U.S. people as if seven
American jetliners, with
over 300 passengers each, had been destroyed in full
flight the same
day by a terrorist conspiracy," Castro said.
And yet, he said, "Nobody, except for a group of
friendly personalities
and institutions, shared our pain and sorrow. There was
no upheaval
around the world, no acute political crises, no United
Nations meetings,
not the imminent threat of war."
Since the Sept. 11 attacks, Cuba has renewed demands
for prosecution
of two Cuban exiles it blames for the bombing of the
Cubana de Aviacion
jet, which exploded over the Caribbean off Barbados on
Oct. 6, 1976.
One of the men, Luis Posada Carriles, escaped from
prison in Venezuela
before his case was tried and is now behind held in
Panama on charges
he plotted to kill Castro during a visit there last
year.
The other, Orlando Bosch, spent 11 years behind bars in
Venezuela
during a lengthy judicial process that ended with his
acquittal. He now
lives in Miami.
At Saturday's rally, state television showed a massive
sea of cheering
people spreading across the broad Havana plaza that is
home to the
headquarters of the government and the Communist Party.
The
government estimated the crowd at 1 million, but that
could not be
verified.
Participants wore red T-shirts with the slogan "Justice
for the Martyrs" -- a
reference to the bombing victims, known in Cuba as the
Martyrs of
Barbados.
In a 45-minute speech, Castro said the gathering was
held also to
"express our solidarity with the thousands of innocent
people who died in
New York and Washington."
"We are here to condemn the brutal crime committed
against them while
supporting the search for ways conducive to a real and
lasting eradication
of terrorism," he said.
But he stressed Cuba's opposition to military
retaliation that would
"develop a bloody and open-ended war." Last week,
Castro called for a
"peaceful solution" to terrorism.
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"In its struggle for power the proletariat has no other weapon but organization. Disunited by the rule of anarchic competition in the bourgeois world, ground down by forced labour for capital, constantly thrust back to the "lower depths" of utter destitution, savagery, and degeneration, the proletariat can, and inevitably will, become an invincible force only through its ideological unification on the principles of Marxism being reinforced by the material unity of organization, which wields millions of toilers into an army of the working class. Neither the senile rule of the Russian autocracy nor the senescent rule of international capital will be able to withstand this army. It will more and more firmly close its ranks, in spite of all zigzags and backward steps, in spite of the opportunist phrasemongering of the Girondists of present-day Social-Democracy, in spite of the self-satisfied exaltation of the retrograde circle spirit, and in spite of the tinsel and fuss of "intellectual" anarchism." Lenin, "One step forward, two steps back", 1904 "Had the autonomists [anarchists -cs] contented themselves with saying that the social organization of the future would allow authority only within the bounds which the conditions of production make inevitable, one could have come to terms with them. But they are blind to all facts that make authority necessarty and they passionately fight the word. "Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All socialists are agreed that the state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and become mere administrative functions of watching over social interests. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. "Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is an act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon, all of which are highly authoritarian means. And the victorious party must maintain its rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionaries. Would the Paris Commune have lasted more than a day if it had not used the authority of the armed people against the bourgeoisie? Cannot we, on the contrary, blame it for having made too little use of that authority? Therefore, one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don't know what thery are talking about, in which case they are creating nothing but confusion. Or they do know, and in that case they are betraying the cause of the proletariat. In either case they serve only reaction." Engels, 1873 "The anarchists had tried to claim the Paris Commune as their "own," so to say, as a corroboration of their doctrine; and they completely misunderstood its lessons and Marx's analysis of these lessons. Anarchism has given nothing even approximating true answers to the concrete political questions: Must the old state machine be smashed? And what should be put in its place?" "The distinction between the Marxists and the anarchists is this: (1) The former, while aiming at the complete abolition of the state, recognize that this aim can only be achieved after classes have been abolished by the socialist revolution, as the result of the establishment of socialism, which leads to the withering away of the state. The latter want to abolish the state completely overnight, not understanding the conditions under which the state can be abolished. (2) The former recognize that after the proletariat has won political power it must completely destroy the old state machine and replace it by a new one consisting of an organization of the armed workers, after the type of the Commune. The latter, while insisting on the destruction of the state machine, have a very vague idea of what the proletariat will put in its place and how it will use its revolutionary power. The anarchists even deny that the revolutionary proletariat should use the state power, they reject its revolutionary dictatorship. (3) The former demand that the proletariat be trained for revolution by utilising the present state. The anarchists reject this." Lenin, "The state and revolution", 1917 "But it is quite absurd to think that a bourgeois revolution does not at all express proletarian interests. This absurd idea boils down either to the hoary Narodnik theory that a bourgeois revolution runs counter to the interests of the proletariat, and that therefore, we do not need bourgeois political liberty; or to anarchism which denies any participation of the proletariat in bourgeois politics, in a bourgeois revolution and in bourgeois parliamentarism." Lenin, "Two tactics of social-democracy", 1905 "When it came into being in 1903, Bolshevism took over the tradition of a ruthless struggle against petty-bourgeois, semi-anarchist (or dilettante-anarchist) revolutionism, a tradition which had always existed in revolutionary Social-Democracy and had become particularly strong in our country during the years 1900-1903, when the foundations for a mass party of the revolutionary proletariat were being laid in Russia. Bolshevism took over and carried on the struggle against a party which, more than any other, expressed the tendencies of petty-bourgeois revolutionism, namely, the "Socialist-Revolutionary" Party, and waged that struggle on three main issues. First, that party, which rejected Marxism, stubbornly refused (or, it might be more correct to say: was unable) to understand the need for a strictly objective appraisal of the class forces and their alignment, before taking any political action. Second, this party considered itself particularly "revolutionary," or "Left," because of its recognition of individual terrorism, assassination--something that we Marxists emphatically rejected. It was, of course onlu on grounds of expediency that we rejected individual terrorism, whereas people who were capable of condemning "on principle" the terror of the Great French Revolution, or, in general, the terror employed by a victorious revolutionary party which is besieged by the bourgeoisie of the whole world, were ridiculed and laughed to scorn by Plekhanov in 1900-1903, when he was a Marxist and a revolutionary. Third the "Socialist-Revolutionaries" thought it very "Left" to sneer at the comparatively insignificant opportunist sins of the German Social-Democratic Party, while they themselves imitated the extreme opportunists of that party, for example, on the agrarian question, or on the question of the dictatorship of the proletariat." 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PASS IT ON...
(Msg from Tracey L):
Hey,
THe first time I heard Identity Card was at a memorial service for Bill
Kuntzler. The poet is Mahmoud Darwish, who I believe is Palestinian, thought
you would enjoy.
Identity Card
Record!
I am an Arab
And my identity card is number fifty thousand
I have eight children
And the ninth is coming after a summer
Are you angry?
Record!
I am an Arab
Employed with fellow workers at a quarry
I have eight children
I get them bread
Garments and books
from the rocks..
I do not supplicate charity at your doors
Nor do I belittle myself at the footsteps of your chamber
Are you angry?
Record!
I am an Arab
I have a name without a title
Patient in a country
Where people are enraged
My roots
Were entrenched before the birth of time
And before the opening of the eras
Before the pines, and the olive trees
And before grass grew
My father.. descends form the family of the plow
Not from a privileged class
And my grandfather..was a farmer
Neither well-bred, nor well-born!
Teaches me the pride of the sun
Before teaching me how to read
And my house is like a watchman�s hut
Made of branches and cane
Are you satisfied with my status?
I have a name without a title!
Record!
I am an Arab
You have stolen the orchards of my ancestors
And the land which I cultivated
Along with my children
And you left nothing for us
Except for these rocks..
And I here
soon you will take the rocks.
Therefor!
Record on the top of the first page:
I do not hate people
Nor do I encroach
But if I become hungry
The usurper�s flesh will be my food
Beware..
Beware..
Of my hunger
And my anger!
Passport
They did not recognize me in the shadows
That suck away my color in this Passport
And to them my wound was an exhibit
For a tourist Who loves to collect photographs
They did not recognize me,
Ah . . . Don�t leave
The palm of my hand without the sun
Because the trees recognize me
Don�t leave me pale like the moon!
All the birds that followed my palm
To the door of the distant airport
All the wheatfields
All the prisons
All the white tombstones
All the barbed Boundaries
All the waving handkerchiefs
All the eyes
were with me,
But they dropped them from my passport
Stripped of my name and identity?
On soil I nourished with my own hands?
Today Job cried out
Filling the sky:
Don�t make and example of me again!
Oh, gentlemen, Prophets,
Don�t ask the trees for their names
Don�t ask the valleys who their mother is
From my forehead bursts the sward of light
And from my hand springs the water of the river
All the hearts of the people are my identity
So take away my passport!
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Subject: [poprogress] URGENT- Senate Anti-Terrorism Bill -- ACT NOW Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:42:03 EDT http://www.aclu.org/safeandfree/ > ACLU Calls New Senate Terrorism Bill Significantly Worse; Says Long-Term > Impact on Freedom Cannot Be Justified > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Friday, October 5, 2001 > Spotlight: Ten Points Statement of Principles: In Defense of Freedom at a > Time of Crisis > > WASHINGTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union today urged the Senate to > reject the newest version of proposed anti-terrorism legislation, saying > that it poses significantly more danger to civil liberties than the measure > adopted earlier this week by the House Judiciary Committee. > > "The new Senate legislation goes far beyond any powers conceivably necessary > to fight terrorism in the United States," said Laura W. Murphy, Director of > the ACLU's Washington National Office. "The long-term impact on basic > freedoms in this legislation cannot be justified." > > "For immigrants," added Gregory T. Nojeim, Associate Director of the ACLU's > Washington Office, "this bill is a dramatic setback. It is unconscionable to > detain immigrants who prove in a court of law that they are not terrorists > and who win their deportation cases." > > Among the bill's most troubling provisions, the ACLU said, are measures that > would: > > Allow for indefinite detention of non-citizens, even if they have > successfully challenged a government effort to deport them. > > Minimize judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet surveillance > by law enforcement authorities. > > Expand the ability of the government to conduct secret searches. > > Give the Attorney General and the Secretary of State the power to designate > domestic groups as terrorist organizations and block any non-citizen who > belongs to them from entering the country. Under this provision, paying > membership dues to such an organization would become a deportable offense. > > Grant the FBI broad access to sensitive business records about individuals > without having to show evidence of a crime. > > Lead to large-scale investigations of American citizens for "intelligence" > purposes. > The new legislation, which has been significantly rewritten in the last 24 > hours, was given to Senate offices today. Senate leaders said they are > planning to by-pass Judiciary Committee hearings and mark-up; a floor vote > in the Senate could happen as early as next Wednesday. > > "In its rush to legislate, the Senate is abandoning its responsibility to be > deliberative and careful," Murphy said. "We urge Senators to insure that any > legislation maximizes our security while minimizing the impact on our civil > liberties." > > Following are highlights of the civil liberties implications of the > compromise legislation introduced by Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-SD, > Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-MS, Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick > Leahy, D-VT, and ranking minority member Orrin Hatch, R-UT. Senators Bob > Graham, D-FL, and Paul Sarbanes, D-MD, are also original co-sponsors. > > Immigration > > The ACLU said that the new bill would confer new and unprecedented detention > authority on the Attorney General based on vague and unspecified predictions > of threats to the national security. > > Specifically, the ACLU said that the new legislation would permit the > indefinite administrative detention of non-citizens -- including those who > win their deportation cases -- based merely on the Attorney General's > certification that he has "reasonable grounds to believe" the non-citizen > endangers national security. In addition, non-citizens ordered removed to > countries that would not accept them could also be indefinitely detained. > > "Very few countries will agree to take back one of their citizens if the > United States has labeled him a terrorist," Nojeim said. "Even though it > says it has compromised on indefinite detention, under this legislation, the > Administration still achieves the same result of being able to imprison > indefinitely someone who has never been convicted of a crime." > > In addition, the ACLU said that the legislation provides for no meaningful > review of the Attorney General's certification because the standards for the > certification are so vague that judges would have no yardstick for which to > judge the appropriateness of the detention. The review could be had only > once, not years later while the non-citizen remained detained based on a > stale determination by the Attorney General. > > Wiretapping and Intelligence Surveillance > > On the question of wiretapping and intelligence surveillance, the ACLU said > that the wiretapping proposals in the Senate bill continue to sound two > themes: they minimize the role of a judge in ensuring that law enforcement > wiretapping is conducted legally and with proper justification, and they > permit use of intelligence investigative authority to by-pass normal > criminal procedures that protect privacy. > > The ACLU said that it was specifically concerned about the following > provisions of the new Senate legislation: > > 1. The bill would allow the government to use its intelligence gathering > power to circumvent the standard that must be met for criminal wiretaps. > Currently FISA surveillance, which does not contain many of the same checks > and balances that govern wiretaps for criminal purposes, can be used only > when foreign intelligence gathering is the primary purpose. The compromise > bill would allow use of FISA surveillance authority even if the primary > purpose were a criminal investigation. Intelligence surveillance merely > needs to be only a "significant" purpose. > > 2. Under current law, a law enforcement agent can get a pen register or trap > and trace order requiring the telephone company to reveal the numbers dialed > to and from a particular phone. It must simply certify that the information > to be obtained is "relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation." This is a > very low level of proof, far less than probable cause. The judge must grant > the order upon receiving the certification. The new bill would extend this > low threshold of proof to Internet communications that are far more > revealing than numbers dialed on a phone. For example, it would apparently > apply to law enforcement efforts to determine what websites a person had > visited. This is like giving law enforcement the power - based only on its > own certification -- to require the librarian to report on the books you had > perused while visiting the public library. This is extending a low standard > of proof - far less than probable cause -- to "content" information. > > 3. In allowing for "nationwide service" of pen register and trap and trace > orders, the bill would further marginalize the role of the judiciary. It > would authorize what would be the equivalent of a blank warrant in the > physical world: the court issues the order, and the law enforcement agent > fills in the places to be searched. This is not consistent with the > important Fourth Amendment privacy protection of requiring that warrants > specify the place to be searched. Under this legislation, a judge would be > unable to meaningfully monitor the extent to which her order was being used > to access information about Internet communications. The Senate amendment to > the Commerce, Justice and State Appropriations bill included a similar > provision. > > 4. The bill would also grant the FBI broad access in "intelligence" > investigations to records about a person maintained by a business. The FBI > would need only certify to a court that it is conducting an intelligence > investigation and that the records it seeks may be relevant. With this new > power, the FBI could force a business to turn over a person's educational, > medical, financial, mental health and travel records based on a very low > standard of proof and without meaningful judicial oversight. > > The ACLU noted that the FBI already has broad authority to monitor telephone > and Internet communications. Most of the changes proposed in the bill would > apply not just to surveillance of terrorists, but instead to all > surveillance in the United States. > > Law enforcement authorities -- even when they are required to obtain court > orders - have great leeway under current law to investigate suspects in > terrorist attacks. Current law already provides, for example, that wiretaps > can be obtained for the crimes involved in terrorist attacks, including > destruction of aircraft and aircraft piracy. > > The FBI also already has authority to intercept these communications without > showing probable cause of crime for "intelligence" purposes under the > Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Little is known about the > extent of this wiretapping, other than that FISA wiretaps now exceed > wiretapping for all domestic criminal investigations. The standards for > obtaining a FISA wiretap are lower than the standards for obtaining a > criminal wiretap. > > Criminal Justice > > One of the most serious civil liberties concerns in the Senate bill is that > it would dramatically expand the use of secret searches. Normally, a person > is notified when law enforcement conducts a search. In some cases regarding > searches for electronic information, law enforcement authorities can get > court permission to delay notification of a search. This bill would extend > the authority of the government to request "secret searches" to every > criminal case. This vast expansion of power goes far beyond anything > necessary to conduct terrorism investigations. > > The bill would also allow for the broad sharing of sensitive information in > criminal cases with intelligence agencies, including the CIA, the NSA, the > INS and the Secret Service. It would permit sensitive grand jury and wiretap > information without judicial review or any safeguards regarding the future > use or dissemination of such information. > > The bill also creates a new crime of "domestic terrorism." The new offense > would transform protestors into terrorists if they engage in conduct that > "involves acts dangerous to human life." Members of Operation Rescue, the > Environmental Liberation Front and Greenpeace, for example, have all engaged > in activities that could subject them to prosecution as terrorists. Then, > under this legislation, the dominos would fall. Those who provide lodging or > other assistance to these "domestic terrorists" could have their homes > wiretapped and could be prosecuted. > > Last Updated: 10-05-01 -- Ted Glick IPPN National Coordinator P.O. Box 1041, Bloomfield, N.J. 07003 www.ippn.org, 973-338-5398 "I am firmly convinced that the passionate will for justice and truth has done more to improve (the human condition) than calculating political shrewdness which in the long run only breeds general mistrust."� �� Albert Einstein ----------------------------------- FREE Monthly Access. 4 cents a minute long distance! No Kidding! <A HREF="http://www.worldxchange.com/agent/default.asp?agid=218396">WorldxChange Authorized Agent 218396 Home Page</A> FREE Download! 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N.J. peace groups protest U.S. air
strikes
By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY
The Associated Press
10/8/01 4:09 PM
PRINCETON, N.J. (AP) -- Carrying signs and chanting
"One world, no
war," about 75 Princeton University students, staff and
townspeople
protested U.S. air strikes against Afghanistan.
"We're asking for the bombing to stop," said Zia Mian,
a member of the
Princeton Peace Network, which organized Monday's event
on the
Princeton campus. "No more innocent lives have to be
lost."
The peace group was formed after the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks on New
York and Washington. Monday's rally was called
following Sunday's U.S.
air strikes on Afghanistan. The group is made of
university students,
faculty and town residents.
Mian, a member of the university's research faculty,
called for a nonviolent
resolution to the crisis.
"All that the Bush administration has done is issue
ultimatums and threats
and now start bombing," he said. As the crowd cheered
him on, he urged
mediation between the United States and the Taliban.
Calling the terrorist acts "evil crimes," Mian also
said the perpetrators
should be brought to justice in an international court.
Randy Olson, 21, a Princeton resident, said he attended
the rally
because he doesn't believe that strikes will root out
terrorism.
"You can kill a million terrorists, but it's not just
bodies, it's a mindset and
a belief. You don't kill that," he said.
About 15 counterdemonstrators gathered nearby.
Nat Hoopes, a Princeton junior and member of the
college's Committee
Against Terrorism, said he showed up to support U.S.
troops.
Wearing a gray T-shirt with "ARMY" emblazoned across
the front, he
called the peace rally "unpatriotic, at a time when
patriotism is most
needed."
Princeton students overwhelmingly oppose the air
strikes, he said, but he
noted that this is not a view shared by everyone on
campus or Americans
in general.
"No one is pro-war, but everyone really realizes that
it's a necessary
step," he said.
Other New Jersey peace activists argue that military
action ultimately will
prove counterproductive.
Alice Vedova, a member of the Religious Society of
Friends in
Ridgewood, said U.S. air strikes will only exacerbate
the violence.
"We're just igniting this situation," Vedova said. "The
U.S. needs to spend
its money not on war, but on helping people. It would
cut (terrorism) down
when they felt the U.S. was not being an aggressor,"
she said.
She said the United States has failed to provide enough
humanitarian aid
to countries like Afghanistan, where civil war and a
three-year drought
have led to famine.
"People go to these extremes when they're suffering,"
she said.
Madelyn Hoffman, director of New Jersey Peace Action, a
disarmament
organization based in Montclair, said she realizes that
those who applaud
the air strikes might find nonviolent views offensive
at this time.
"It's not that we're turning our back on what
happened," she explained.
"But we want to end the cycle of violence."
She suggested bringing the perpetrators to justice
through law
enforcement groups that would target only those
responsible.
"This is the U.S. showing its might and muscle by
dropping bombs," she
said. "We're being assured they're being specifically
targeted, but there's
always the likelihood that innocent civilians will be
killed."
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ARE AMERICANS THE VICTIMS OF A HOAX?
The time has come to stop using the flag as a blindfold, to stop waving our
guns and our gods at each other, to take a close look at the facts which
have emerged from the attacks on the World Trade Towers and to recognize the
very real possibility, indeed probability, that We The People are the
victims of a gigantic and deadly hoax.
In a normal terrorist event, the terrorists cannot wait to take credit, in
order to link the violence to the socio-political intent of the terrorist
organization. Yet the prime suspect in the New York Towers case, ex(?) CIA
asset Osama Bin Laden (whose brother is one of George W. Bush's Texas
business partners), has issued only two statements regarding the September
11th attacks, and both of those are denials of any involvement.
Huge problems are emerging in the official view of events. It's known that
the United States was planning an invasion of Afghanistan long before the
attacks on the World Trade Towers. Indeed the attacks on the World Trade
Towers perfectly fit the timetable of an invasion by October stated by US
officials just last summer.
The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't point to
Afghanistan. They come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, United Arab Emirates; all
across the middle east without a focus in any one region. Indeed, even as
the FBI was admitting that its list of 19 names was based solely on
identifications thought to have been forged, Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister
Prince Saud Al-Faisal insisted that an investigation in Saudi Arabia showed
that the 5 Saudi men were not aboard the four jetliners that crashed in New
York, Virginia and Pennsylvania on September 11. "It was proved that five of
the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened,"
Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press in Washington after meeting with U.S.
President George W. Bush at the White House. A sixth identified hijacker is
also reported to still be alive in Tunisia, while a 7th named man died two
years ago!
In a recent development, the BBC is reporting that the transcript of a phone
call made by Flight Attendant Madeline Amy Sweeney to Boston air traffic
controls shows that the flight attendant gave the seat numbers occupied byu
the hijackers, seat numbers which were NOT the seats of the men the FBI
claimed were responsible for the hijacking!
FBI Chief Robert Mueller admitted on September 20 and on September 27 that
at this time the FBI has no legal proof to prove the true identities of the
suicidal hijackers. Yet in the haste to move forward on the already planned
war in Afghanistan, our government and the FBI (which does not have the best
record for honesty in investigations to begin with, having been caught
rigging lab tests, manufacturing testimony in the Vincent Foster affair, and
illegally withholding/destroying evidence in the Oklahoma Bombing case) are
not taking too close a look at evidence that points away from the designated
suspect, ex(?) CIA asset Osama Bin Laden.
In particular, the FBI, too busy harassing political dissenters to find
spies in its midst, the long rumored mole inside the White House, or plug
leaks in high-tech flowing to foreign nations, has willfully and criminally
ignored the implications of some vital pieces of information the FBI is
itself waving around at the public.
We are being told that this crack team of terrorists, able to breeze past
airport security as if it wasn't there, wound up leaving so much evidence in
its wake that the bumbling Inspector Clouseau (or the FBI) could not fail to
stumble over it. The locations where the terrorists supposedly stayed are so
overloaded with damning materials that they resemble less a crimes scene,
and more a "B" detective movie set, with vital clues always on prominent
display for the cameras.
Yet another problem lies with the described actions of the hijackers
themselves. We are being told on the one hand that these men were such
fanatical devotees of their faith that they willingly crashed the jets they
were flying into buildings. Yet on the other hand, we are being told that
these same men spent the night before their planned visit to Allah drinking
in strip bars, committing not just one, but two mortal sins which would keep
them out of Paradise no matter what else they did. Truly devout Muslims
would spend the day before a suicide attack fasting and praying. Not only
does the drinking in strip bars not fit the profile of a fanatically
religeous Muslim willing to die for his cause, but the witness reports of
the men in the bars are of men going out of their way to be noticed and
remembered, while waving around phony identifications.
Because of the facts of the phony identifications, we don't really know who
was on those planes. What we do know is that the men on those planes went to
a great deal of trouble to steal the identities of Muslims, and to make sure
those identities were seen and remembered, then to leave a plethora of
planted clues around, such as crop dusting manuals, and letters in checked
baggage (why does a terrorist about to die need to check baggage?) that
"somehow" didn't get on the final, fatal, flight.
Fake terror is nothing new. According to recently released files, our
government planned Operation NORTHWOODS to stage phony terror attacks
against American citizens in the wake of the Bay Of Pigs, to anger Americans
into support for a second invasion of Cuba. The plan was spiked by JFK. If
our government has ever actually carried out such plans to stage phony
terror attacks, the documents have remained classified. But given the
reality of Operation NORTHWOODS, or the manner in which FDR manuevered Japan
into attacking Pearl Harbor, one cannot rule out the possibility that, once
again, the people of the United States are being lied to by their own
government, to manufacture consent for a war of invasion already being
discussed with other nations the previous summer.
It is also quite possible, indeed likely, that the United States is being
spoofed by a third party to trigger a war. It has happened before. According
to Victor Ostrovsky, a defector from Israel's secret service, Mossad, Israel
decided to mount a false-flag operation designed to further discredit Libya,
and provoke the US to attack an Arab nation. A transmitter loaded with
pre-recorded messages was planted in Tripoli, Libya, by a Mossad team.
The `Trojan Horse' beamed out fake messages about Libyan-authorized bombings
and planned attacks that were immediately intercepted by US electronic
monitoring. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986
bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald
Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and
illegal(under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100
Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter.
Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.
It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception,
thou shalt do war."
Whether they were involed in the attacks or not, it cannot be doubted that
Israel has benefited from the attacks in New York. While world attention is
focuzed on what the US will do in Afghanistan, Israel has escalated its
attacks against Palestinians towns. Israel has repeatedly tried to claim
that Palestinians were involved in the New York attacks, hoping to bury the
Palestinian cause under the rubble of the World Trade Towers.
Because of the faked IDs and stolen identities, we don't really know who
planned the World Trade Towers attacks. We only know who they wanted us to
blame.
And we know that the United States has been tricked in the past into bombing
someone who did not deserve the attack, and that those who were bombed then
embarked on what from their point of view was justified retaliation that
culminated over Lockerbie. And while bombs were falling and planes were
crashing, Israel was laughing at us that we had been so easily fooled into
bombing Israel's targets for them.
Are we being hoaxed again, by Israel, or by our own government, or by both?
It's impossible to rule that out. Right now there are a lot of people who
want war. Oil companies want Afghanistan's petroleum products. Our
corporations want "friendlier" markets. The CIA wants all that opium. And
all those war-mongers, with all their greed and agendas, will not hesitate
in the least to pour your tax dollars and your children's blood all over
Afghanistan, to get those "friendlier" markets, oil, and opium.
Because of the vested interests at work here, American citizens must, more
than at any other time in recent history, rely on themselves to decide what
is happening in our nation. Too many of those who purport to report the
"truth" to us are eager to grab more tax money and more children to pour
into a war of invasion, poised at a region which has swallowed up every army
that has tried to conquer it since the time of Alexander The Great.
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From: Dwayne Middleton <nia7@...>
Subject: WHAT REALLY HAPPENED/ article
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 01:43:09 -0400
FYI...
http://BlackElectorate.com
It certainly was not a surprise. As most of you
know, earlier today the
U.S. military officially began its bombings against
Afghanistan
(supposedly just Ussama Bin Laden and the Taliban).
While the mainstream
media is focusing on the Playstation-like aspects of
this war, in a
similar fashion to the manner in which it did in
1991, among other things,
we will be watching three countries extremely
closely: Saudi Arabia,
Egypt, and Pakistan. As we have privately mentioned
to a few of you on
our mailing list, we do not believe that Pakistan's
government will be
able to withstand the political and economic
implications and consequences
of this war. The influx of refugees, the resentment
for the support of Bin
Laden and the residual dissatisfaction with the
manner in which Gen.
Musharraf assumed power will result in the toppling
of the Pakistan
government, in the short-term, IMF and U.S. aid to
Pakistan
notwithstanding.
In Saudi Arabia and Egypt, in particular, we see the
rapidly growing
vulnerability of the regimes to more radical and
extreme elements in the
country that have felt for years that the ruling
powers have capitulated
to
the West. Watch as internal problems and issues of
poverty are linked to
undue Western influence in these three countries, by
opposition groups and
spiritual leaders.
As we begin a whirlwind atmosphere of tension, fear,
ignorance and
increased
aggression, we ask our viewers to:
1) Watch the lack of original and independent
reporting being conducted by
the mainstream and Washington press corps. So far,
the reporting has been
atrocious, without Pentagon
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NJ Anti-War Coalition Meeting Tonight, Tuesday @8:00pm Scott Hall rm 123 >Peace rally reacts to bombings >By: Margie Watson, Staff Writer > > >10/09/01 >-------------------------- > >An emergency rally for peace, sponsored by the Anti-War Coalition, was held >yesterday on the steps of Brower Commons on the College Avenue campus in >response to the United States and Great Britain dropping bombs on >Afghanistan Sunday. The coalition is made up of 18 local and University >groups. Students in support of the government�s actions also attended the >rally, waving American flags and debating with rally-goers on the sidewalk >about the current issues surrounding the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. > >�The coalition decided we would have a response rally 24 hours after the >bombing started in Afghanistan,� said Tom DeGloma, a graduate student of >sociology and member of the Anti-War Coalition. The coalition advocates the >active mobilization of citizens against war and terrorist attacks on >civilian life and racism, while encouraging public debate on the role and >consequences of American foreign policy, according to the coalition�s code >of ethics. > >�I think it�s an atrocity,� DeGloma said of the actions taken by America >and Great Britain. Despite yesterday�s reports in The New York Times that >�20 women, children and elderly were killed in Kabul in Sunday�s assault,� >DeGloma said, �I do not believe this was a low-intensity bombing campaign.� >He said he believes thousands of Afghanis have already been killed from >Sunday and yesterday�s bombing. > >�Now more than ever, it is important for the anti-war movement to come out >and be loud,� said Xavier Hansen, a Livingston College Class of 1997 >alumnus and member of the Radical Expansion of Democracy Collective. The >RED Collective is a group that aims to inform people of the global >inequalities and military violence that threaten human safety and democracy >in this country as well as the rest of the world, according to information >provided by the group. > >Hansen told rally-goers, �We need to be clear that the position of the >American government � is not a strong position; it is a weak position.� >Hansen said the American government is responding to the terrorist attacks >so quickly �because they don�t want people to dig into the history of >terrorism.� He said when the media report on Osama bin Laden�s history, >�all their stories start with 1996 as if Osama just fell from the sky at >that time.� He added that the CIA, acting as �Dr. Frankenstein,� created >terrorist monsters by supplying some $7 billion in weapons and training to >mujahedin guerillas in an effort to drive Soviet forces out of Afghanistan. > >�Those who commit terrorist attacks have to be stopped � in every country,� >Hansen said, but noted that bombing would only �bring about more attacks >and casualties.� > >Jeremy Glick, an instructor in the University�s English department and a >member of Unity and Struggle, lost his father in the Sept. 11 terrorist >attacks. �It�s extremely frustrating to turn on the TV and hear your family >irrationally invoked to this slaughter [in Afghanistan],� Glick said. > >Lisa Nurnberger, a New Brunswick resident who was sitting at her desk on >the 77th floor of the North Tower when the plane hit, agreed. �You have to >go out and educate your family and friends and make them realize that what >is going on here is wrong,� he said. �Blowing up innocent people is not >going to help. There needs to be justice.� > >About 10 of the 80 people gathered on the steps of Brower Commons were not >opposed to war and voiced their opinions through debates with rally-goers >on the sidewalk. One student who agreed with the government�s actions stood >in front of the speakers� podium, waving an American Flag. > >Ryan Quinn, a Livingston College first-year student, said although he wants >peace just as much as those attending the rally, he does not think there is >an alternative to war. He said he attended the rally because he was >interested in what alternate solutions rally speakers could provide. > >Speakers at the rally advocated bringing the terrorists to a world court >for a fair trial. �Go ahead. Bring them to world court. I just want to ask >them how they�re going to get them to world court,� Quinn said. �They don�t >have their facts straight,� he added. �I�m just using my head. They�re just >confused.� >-------------------------- >Story Source: The Daily Targum > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Better Press notifications would have put the RU demostration on the map.
Small groups rally against U.S. attacks
10/09/01
BY SUSAN K. LIVIO
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Anti-war demonstrators carrying signs or holding
candles gathered yesterday in Montclair and Edison and at Princeton
University to protest the Bush administration's attacks on Afghanistan.
By far the largest group was at Princeton, where about
100 activists, students and teachers waved signs that read "Not In My Name"
-- and drew support from each other's company.
When the crowd dispersed, some participants like Bob
Moss of Bloomfield admitted that without the forum provided by the Princeton
Peace Network and the Coalition for Peace Action they would have been
reticent to express their views.
"It felt good to be with other people who feel the same
way," Moss said. "But I'm not sure I'll put this sign in my window."
Princeton resident Eliane Geren said she received angry
telephone calls after local newspapers published her letter urging President
Bush not to use violence to respond to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
In Montclair, where New Jersey Peace Action called an
"emergency vigil," 50 protesters crowded around Watchung Plaza, which has a
memorial to veterans of World War I.
"The bombing in Afghanistan will only bring more death
and violence," said the Rev. Judy Tomlinson of the Unitarian Church of
Montclair, one of the protesters. "We would like to call a moratorium on
death."
Four people who also belonged to New Jersey Peace
Action showed up at the vacant Boston Market on Route 1 in Edison near the
Menlo Park Mall, where they displayed anti-war signs to passing traffic.
Several passing motorists shouted obscenities at the
group.
Tom Mahedy of Wall Township, one of the demonstrators,
said many people who oppose the military strikes on Afghanistan are not
speaking up.
"You'd be surprised. Even a lot of people who have lost
loved ones, I've heard them say, 'I don't want anyone else to feel what I
feel,'" he said.
Carol Gay of Brick said the media are to blame for the
popular support for the U.S. strikes. "There's a media frenzy that says,
'War! War!' " she said.
Madelyn Hoffman, director of New Jersey Peace Action,
said the peace movement will find it difficult to challenge this war.
"The casualties -- 6,000 or more -- were right here at
home. That really affects people, and rightfully so," Hoffman said. "But I
think after the grieving and the sorrow, there can be a way of increasing
compassion for others in similar situations."
Hoffman said the President should have continued
diplomatic efforts to bring the terrorism suspects before an international
tribunal.
"Bombing may not bring the right people to justice,"
and increase the risk of retaliation, she said.
At the Princeton rally, a student group called the
Princeton Committee Against Terrorism came with American came ready to
engage the protesters.
When Zia Mian, a Peace Network member and a research
staffer at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs,
announced details of a coming "March Against Bigotry" to protest the rise in
bias crimes against Arabs and Muslims, Eric Wang of the anti-terrorist group
interrupted him.
"We agree, we are against bigotry, too," Wang said.
Another of the counterprotesters group explained their
stand. "We'd rather not be fighting. But in order to preserve liberty,
security and freedom, you have to be willing to pay a price for it,"
Princeton sophomore David Robinson said.
Peace activists said they will continue to hold rallies
to clarify valid "opposing viewpoints."
"Discussion about what we should do has gotten
polarized in an absurdly simplistic way," said Carol Cook, a former
university faculty member and a Peace Network member. "Either you fly a flag
and embrace retaliation, or you don't -- and people assume you sympathize
with the terrorists," she said.
Staff Writers Josh Margolin and Reginald Roberts
contributed to this report.
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NJN, C-SPAN to carry debate 10/10/01
Tonight's gubernatorial debate between Democrat Jim
McGreevey and Republican Bret Schundler will be broadcast live, from 8 to 9
p.m., on New Jersey Network's television and radio stations and on C-SPAN.
It can also be seen live on www.njn.net. The debate will take place before a
live audience at the New Jersey Performing Arts Center in Newark.
Stature and discipline clash in gubernatorial TV debate
10/10/01
BY JEFF WHELAN
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
The two major party candidates for governor
face off tonight for the first time in a televised debate that will
compete for attention with the war in Afghanistan and the first game
of the Yankees' playoff run.
Republican Bret Schundler, trailing by 15
points in the latest poll two weeks ago, is banking on the encounter
to showcase his telegenic looks and debating prowess. Democrat Jim
McGreevey, an energetic campaigner but cautious debater, must avoid
a major mistake.
Adding to the challenges for both candidates is
the uncertain political environment since the Sept. 11 terrorism
attacks. After nearly a month-long hiatus, the race took a negative
turn in recent days as both campaigns traded broadsides on taxes and
social issues. It is unclear how voters will regard such theater, if
it comes to that tonight.
Schundler has the most at stake. For months,
McGreevey has successfully hammered at Schundler's conservative
positions on abortion, gun control and education. Schundler is
likely to try to counter the "extremist" label that McGreevey has
sought to pin on him and point to the Democrat's record of raising
taxes as a legislator and mayor of Woodbridge.
"This is not the time to mess around for
Schundler . . . He really has to try to get some traction while
there is enough time," said David Rebovich, a political science
professor at Rider University. "He needs to show himself to be
smart, but also sensible and sensitive to citizen concerns that some
of his views might be too extreme."
But, Rebovich said, McGreevey "can't really
ride this one home."
"There still is the perception that he is a
little too programmed and short on detail," said Rebovich. "What he
has to do is show viewers that besides having the 'correct position'
on the issues, he also has some plausible policy proposals."
For weeks, Schundler campaign aides have raised
expectations, telling reporters the debates could be pivotal. During
the primary, Schundler, who is quick on his feet and is a commanding
presence at 6 feet, 2 inches tall, often got the better of his
opponent, former Congressman Bob Franks.
Bill Pascoe, Schundler's campaign manager,
heralded tonight's encounter, saying, "Finally, the world will get a
chance to see Bret and McGreevey on the stage together."
One prominent Democrat and McGreevey supporter
acknowledged yesterday that McGreevey, who is five inches shorter,
is concerned about the so-called "stature gap." "Schundler comes
across like he's ready to throw a touchdown," said the Democrat, who
asked not to be identified.
On the campaign trail, Schundler has a
take-all-comers attitude and seems to relish his ability to answer
every question that comes his way. But that freewheeling style has
also brought him trouble, and at times made him seem arrogant.
"Bret Schundler is certainly the stronger
debater, although he may want to be careful about crossing the line
with acerbic or negative comments," said Richard McGrath,
McGreevey's spokesman.
In July, Schundler drew criticism when he
likened McGreevey to an "ayatollah" for not respecting his view on
abortion. Schundler opposes legal abortion except when the life of
the mother is in danger. More recently, Schundler again drew heat
after he was quoted as criticizing the state's emergency response to
the terrorist attacks. Schundler has said his remarks were
"mischaracterized."
> Few people are expected to watch tonight, so
>Schundler's objective will be to generate positive headlines in tomorrow's
>newspapers.
>
> McGreevey's discipline could serve him well. One
>Schundler strategist reviewed McGreevey's debate tapes from the 1997
>campaign with envy, saying that the Democrat's responses and body language
>were the same in each debate, a technique that reinforced his message.
>
> "He is mercilessly and relentlessly on message. This
>guy is good," said the Schundler strategist. "Some people say programmed,
>some people say robotic. But he's figured out what his message is."
>
> But McGreevey also must take care not to come across
>as too wooden, as he often does on the campaign trail.
>
> Sitting on a comfortable lead, he often sidesteps
>questions and declines to provide specifics. His campaign tightly controls
>interviews, and McGreevey is always prepared with briefing papers, at times
>reading from them verbatim. After one-on-one encounters, he routinely asks
>reporters to read back his quotes. "Let me know what I'm saying so I'm not
>surprised by the newspaper tomorrow," he will say.
>
> He won't have those luxuries tonight, though neither
>candidate will face extended follow-up questions. Each candidate will have
>90-second opening and closing statements and will field rotating questions
>from four reporters. The candidate will have one minute to respond. His
>opponent will then get one minute, followed by the first candidate's
>30-second rebuttal.
>
> Jeff Whelan covers politics. He can be reached at
>(973) 392-7860 or jwhelan@....
>
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----Original Message Follows---- > >Viewpoint > >Z. Pallo Jordan > >FIGHTING TERRORISM > >The uses and abuses of anti-communism > >The terrorist attacks two weeks ago on New York and Washington have caused >outrage and shock across the world. Speaking on behalf of the ANC, >President Thabo Mbeki said the acts should be condemned without >reservation. Addressing Parliament last week, South African foreign >affairs minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma said that South Africa is opposed >to terrorism. She emphasised that during the course of the armed struggle, >the ANC had scrupulously avoided terrorism as a tactic. All these are >absolutely true. > >After the terrorist bomb attacks on New York City and Washington, the >government of the USA declared "war on terrorism". President Bush sounded >extremely earnest in his declaration, but a question arose in my mind: Is >the USA in fact opposed to terrorism? Closer examination of the dramatis >personae involved in the September 11th outrage sheds a rather different >light on US pronouncements past and present. > >A United States newspaper reported: "Last week [the US govt] pledged >another $43 million in assistance to Afghanistan, raising total aid this >year to $124 million and making the United States the largest humanitarian >donor to the country." (The Washington Post, 25 May 2001) > >This was barely four months ago. Digging deeper into the recent archives >of the United States press one finds yet other reports. Among the most >interesting we find: "The Afghan resistance was backed by the intelligence >services of the United States and Saudi Arabia with nearly $6 billion >worth of weapons. And the territory targeted last week, a set of six >encampments around Khost, where the Saudi exile Osama bin Laden has >financed a kind of 'terrorist university', in the words of a senior United >States intelligence official, is well known to the Central Intelligence >Agency." > >"The CIA's military and financial support for the Afghan rebels indirectly >helped build the camps that the United States attacked. And some of the >same warriors who fought the Soviets with the CIA's help are now fighting >under Mr Bin Laden's banner. From those same camps, the Afghan rebels, >known as mujahedeen, or holy warriors, kept up a decade long siege on the >Soviet-supported garrison town of Khost. > >"Thousands of mujahedeen were dug into the mountains around Khost. Soviet >accounts of the siege of Khost during 1988 referred to the rebel camps as >'the last word in NATO engineering techniques'. After a decade of fighting >during which each side claimed to have killed thousands of the enemy, the >Afghan rebels poured out of their encampments and took Khost. 'This was >the most fiercely contested piece of real estate in the 10-year Afghan >war,' said Milt Bearden, who ran the CIA's side of the war from 1986 to >1989." (New York Times. 23 August 1998) > >Dig a little deeper to discover further surprises when Steve Coll, writing >in the Washington Post', of 19 July 1992, reveals: "A specially equipped >C-141 Starlifter transport carrying William Casey touched down at a >military air base south of Islamabad in October 1984 for a secret visit by >the CIA director to plan strategy for the war against Soviet forces in >Afghanistan. Helicopters lifted Casey to three secret training camps near >the Afghan border, where he watched mujahedeen rebels fire heavy weapons >and learn to make bombs with CIA-supplied plastic explosives and >detonators." > >"During the visit, Casey startled his Pakistani hosts by proposing that >they take the Afghan war into enemy territory - into the Soviet Union >itself. Casey wanted to ship subversive propaganda through Afghanistan to >the Soviet Union's predominantly Muslim southern republics. The Pakistanis >agreed, and the CIA soon supplied thousands of Korans, as well as books on >Soviet atrocities in Uzbekistan and tracts on historical heroes of Uzbek >nationalism, according to Pakistani and Western officials. > >"'We can do a lot of damage to the Soviet Union,' Casey said, according to >Mohammed Yousaf, a Pakistani general who attended the meeting. Casey's >visit was a prelude to a secret Reagan administration decision in March >1985, reflected in National Security Decision Directive 166, to sharply >escalate US covert action in Afghanistan, according to Western officials. >Abandoning a policy of simple harassment of Soviet occupiers, the Reagan >team decided secretly to let loose on the Afghan battlefield an array of >US high technology and military expertise in an effort to hit and >demoralise Soviet commanders and soldiers. Casey saw it as a prime >opportunity to strike at an overextended, potentially vulnerable Soviet >empire." > >The so-called mujahedeen, led by Osama Bin Laden, now accused of being the >chief suspect responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Centre >(WTC) and the attack on the Pentagon, it transpires, has been an ally of >the United States Intelligence community for well nigh two decades. If the >US press is to be believed, he and his network are in large measure a >creation of the virulently anti-Communist elements in the US >establishment, who not only supported them with funds, but also helped >train and equip them to fight the then Soviet Union. During those years >the CIA, its helpers in Pakistan and the Saudi rulers taught Bin Laden and >his associates a host of skills, including how to move money to fund their >operations from country to country. > >As one US commentator writes: "The system is no surprise to the US >government because Washington and its allies have used it, too. The Bank >of Credit and Commerce International was a British-Pakistani bank that >used secret offshore accounts to effect a global money-laundering fraud >that cost victims $8 billion. Before it was shut down in 1991, it was used >to fund the mujahedeen, then fighting the Soviet-supported government of >Afghanistan. The money came from US and Saudi intelligence. Now many of >the formerly US-supported mujahedeen are members of bin Laden's network. >They know all about how to launder money through the international bank >secrecy system." > >Yet the alliance among Bin Laden, Taliban, the Saudi monarchy and the New >Right in the United States establishment is not as odd as it might appear >at first sight. There is a remarkable convergence of views among these >allies. In the USA, the New Right's platform includes a very >fundamentalist reading of the Christian scriptures, (indeed there are >states where pressure from its more extreme supporters has succeeded in >having the theory of evolution banned from the school curriculum). New >Right opposition to women controlling their own fertility in extreme cases >spills over into attacks on doctors and clinics that terminate unwanted >pregnancies. "Family values" is the New Right code for the restoration of >patriarchal relations in the family. Its opposition to any reforms that >will accord equal rights to all US citizens is as legendary as its >xenophobia. The New Right are the most vociferous proponents of a >retributive penal system and the death penalty. > >In the Muslim world, but specifically in Afghanistan, the coalition of >forces represented by Bin Laden and Taliban also insists on a very >fundamentalist interpretation of the Q'uran. They are opposed to women >exercising any choice regarding their fertility, and they enforce strict >patriarchal family relations with violence. Women in the Taliban-ruled >Afghanistan of today probably have fewer rights than chattel slaves in the >American South before the civil war. It should come as no surprise that >among the principal grievances cited by the mujahedeen when they rose in >rebellion were attempts by the then Soviet-backed government to extend >equal rights to women. Like their New Right allies, Taliban employs the >most brutal forms of punishment ranging from public floggings to >executions. The parties to this alliance represent the forces of reaction >and extreme backwardness > >It might turn out that the US New Right have sown dragon's teeth by arming >and inspiring what was essentially an anti-modernist rebellion against a >left-wing government. The reality is that Bin Laden, the Taliban and >others of their ilk are today striking out at what used to be a doting >parent. A parent who not only gave them life but also armed them to wage >war on the 'godless Communists'. > >But what could have persuaded these reckless offspring to turn against >their parent? On examining the roots of the anti-left rebellion in >Afghanistan one gets to understand today's events better. The left-wing >party that seized power in Afghanistan during the late 1970s had no >intention of introducing socialism to that country. Afghanistan was an >impoverished, semi-feudal society, barely touched by the modern world. >While Babrak Karmal and his colleagues indeed drew inspiration from and >looked to the Soviet Union for assistance, their immediate aim was to >bring their country abreast of the rest of Asia. That would have entailed >mass literacy by the building of modern schools, the secularisation of the >society, and the construction of modern infrastructure such as roads, >electrification, and telecommunications. These would have ended >Afghanistan's isolation and narrowed the distance between its people and >the modern era. But it would also have curtailed the power of the Muslim >clerics. Intellectual emancipation would be one outcome of modernisation. > >The standard around which the USA, its helpers in the Pakistan >intelligence agencies, the Saudi monarchy and the conservative religious >leaders in Afghanistan mobilised opposition to this government was >rejection, not of socialism, but modernism itself. They appropriated the >banner of Islam for that purpose and advocated a fundamentalist >interpretation of the Q'uran. The CIA, with a purely instrumentalist >approach, recognised that religion would be a powerful symbol around which >to rally opposition to the Soviet-backed government, but paid little >attention to the unplanned-for outcomes that might produce. > >The "bleeding ulcer" of Afghanistan was among the many factors that sapped >the strength of the Soviet Union, leading to its collapse. What US >policy-makers did not realise is that to the radically anti-modernist >mujahedeen, the USA - the land of the skyscrapers, the home of Hollywood, >with hundreds of television channels, millions educated women and with a >strong emphasis on the separation of the church and state - represented >the epitome of the modernism they had been mobilised to crush. The >ideological affinities between the US New Right and Taliban sealed the >alliance. But while the former necessarily took elements of modernism for >granted, the latter regarded even its most benign expressions as satanic >deviance. Thus the stage was set for the offspring to rise against their >parents. > >The history of the last century abounds with numerous examples of >politicians who have sought to harness anti-Communism, in a very >instrumental manner, to their project. In most instances these have been >reactionaries and conservatives defending discredited systems of >oppression and exploitation. But there have been numerous instances of >liberals, nationalists and ostensibly progressive people being tempted to >either play the anti-Communist card with a view to some immediate >political advantage or to capitulate to it in the hope of gaining some >dubious political advantage. US policy-makers during the liberal Carter >administration of early 1980s probably thought they could ride the tiger >of anti-Communism with impunity. The conservative Reagan and Bush >administrations of the second half of the 1980s and early 1990s , as the >US media reports indicate, thought they could take that even further. > >Anti-Communism, they are discovering today, is a doubled edged sword. >While its keen blade helped sweep away what President Reagan once called >"the evil empire", on its back-swing it returned as a guillotine to wreak >terrible havoc in the very citadels of US power. There is a lesson there, >somewhere! > >But the last word should go to two US foreign policy specialists, Tom >Barry and Martha Honey : "As Americans deliberate an effective response to >this tragedy and crime, we must first reject the call for war. The >gauntlet goading us to militaristic responses that treat human life as >callously as the terrorists treated ours must be categorically rejected. >As with any other crime, the perpetrators and their accomplices must be >brought to justice-in the courts of law, not according to the >fundamentalist 'eye-for-an-eye, tooth-for-a-tooth' precepts. In recent >years, we have made encouraging progress in establishing and enforcing >international norms for human rights and crimes against humanity. This is >an opportunity to forge a broader international coalition-bringing >disparate nations together in a common determination to fight against such >crimes against humanity. A first principle, then, must be that we treat >this as an international crime, not an act of war, and that the rule of >law should guide international response." > >Z. Pallo Jordan is a member of the ANC National Executive Committee. This >article is written in his personal capacity. >This issue of ANC Today is available from the ANC web site at: >http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/anctoday/2001/at36.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> Housing authority mum about meeting > > Published in the Home News Tribune 10/11/01 > > By SHARON WATERS > STAFF WRITER > > NEW BRUNSWICK: The Housing Authority's board of >commissioners discussed in private a personnel issue involving its >executive director last night and took an action it would not disclose >because it was "confidential." > > Housing Authority attorney James Horvath estimated he and >the board would stay silent for six months about the action they >took. > > The board and Horvath would not provide any information >about the personnel issues discussed in last night's closed session. >However, Daniel Williamson, who was introduced as Executive Director Kevin >Quince's attorney, said he was able to attend the closed session because >the person who is the focus of the personnel matter has a right to have a >representative present. > > "I'm here as his alter ego," said Williamson. > > Quince has been accused of sexual harassment. An >investigation of the charges was closed in May. > > Only Williamson, Quince, Horvath and the seven commissioners >attended the private session held in the kitchen of the Schwartz-Robeson >community room. After one hour and 40 minutes, the group emerged. > > "We discussed personnel issues," announced Horvath. "We took >certain action, and we can't say what the action was, and we expect to >maybe reveal it within six months." > > When asked why he could not divulge the action, Horvath >said, "(It's) personnel. It's confidential." > > Horvath could not provide a legal citation for withholding >the information but said he was justified within case law interpretation of >the Open Public Meetings Act. He could not provide a case reference. > > Horvath declined to say if the action itself would be taken >in six months or at a different time. He also said the six-month time frame >for an announcement was simply a guess. > > When asked to comment about the meeting, Quince ducked into >a car driven by Deputy Director John Clarke without saying a word. > > His attorney, Williamson, said "Absolutely not. None at >all," when asked for a comment. > > Williamson, a Newark-based sole practitioner, said he did >not know when he might be able to comment. Williamson would not >say when he was hired. > > Housing Authority employee Sheri A. Kelton filed a tort >claims-act notice in January claiming she was subject to "unwanted >touching" by Quince in December, a culmination of various acts of sexual >harassment that began in April 2000. > > In January, the authority appointed a special counsel to >investigate the charges. Horvath said last week the investigating agent >delivered its report to him on March 14. The authority's board studied the >report, debated the issues and reached a conclusion in late May, Horvath >said. > > "The matter has been fully and completely investigated, and >it has been closed since May except for payment of the bills," said Horvath >on Oct. 4. > > Horvath has declined to say what actions, if any, were taken >against Quince when the investigation closed in May. Quince continued >serving as executive director. > > The board's determination was sent to the parties involved >in May and June, said Horvath. Other authority employees and the public do >not have a right to that information, Horvath said last week. > > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@... > > from the Home News Tribune > > Published: October 11, 2001 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Fred Nguyen <siddharta5@...> To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Killing its Young Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 20:32:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Lyn Gerry" <redlyn@...> > > This is a message from WBAI LAB member Andy Norris, to the > Pacifica National Board, on the state of WBAI programming > > Lyn > ------------------- > > From: Andrew Norris > Reply-To: wbailab@yahoogroups.com > To: Alfigo@..., KenFordPacifica@..., > gbarnstone@..., jmurdock@..., > tomasmoran@..., harav1@..., > wendell_L_johns@..., > Valrie.Chambers@..., robrobin@..., > kford@..., prbram@..., lesliecagan@... CC: > WBAI LAB > > Subject: [wbailab] WBAI 10/9/01 AM > Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 08:48:24 -0400 > to: PNB from: Andrew Norris, WBAI LAB member > www.wbailab.org > > re: management at WBAI/Pacifica? > > At 6:00 this morning the producer of the Sunrise program 6:00- > 7:30AM was nowhere in sight. The overnight engineer Max Schmid, > and T Dub, a volunteer morning engineer, had no information. There > was no notice or other communication. So they together realized > that if nobody went on, WBAI would broadcast dead air during a > peak listening period. > > To their credit, they managed to improvise 90 minutes of talk show > broadcasting, including call ins from listeners who clearly > appreciated the opportunity to speak without fear of being > summarily cut-off if they mentioned WBAI or Pacifica. At the end of > the 90 minutes, the emergency hosts had stimulated a discussion > of whether the real WBAI is now 99.5FM or maybe 91.1FM (where > Democracy Now! is broadcast). > > It is remarkable that today, four weeks after 9/11, WBAI continues > to struggle from program to program. The station is no better than it > was on 9/11 when the skeleton staff was not up to the task of > meeting the emergency. After 9 months of decimating the station > and its talent, there is very little left to attempt to serve the > community needs. > > Yet only last week Ms. Leid continued to remove some of the best > remaining producers from the air. For instance, Mario Murillo, host > of Our Americas may well be history. Both Murillo and Peter > Bochan, another producer banned last week, won 2001 Golden > Reel Awards (the other WBAI winner of the Golden Reel this year > is Dred Scott Keyes who has vividly described the intimidation and > harassment of Ms. Leid). > > Murillo twice before won the Golden Reel Award. Some might recall > that only a few years ago Samori Marksman, then Program > Director at WBAI, attempted to have Our Americas adopted as a > national program by Pacifica. There was intense interest and > widespread support for the idea of a weekly program addressing > the large and critical audience of latin americans, central and south > americans. > > However, Pacifica management squashed the idea, in the > infamously profane and unprofessional letter from Gail Christian, > then National Programming Director, to Murillo. Pacifica stations > should be incubating such programs, encouraging and developing > them as potential national shows. The need for a national > broadcast of Our Americas is more critical than ever, as the US > becomes enveloped in Colombia. But there is clearly no hope for > this type of forward thinking under current management which > continues to kill its young. > > > > http://savewbai.tao.ca > > > To unsubscribe from this list > email lists@... with: unsubscribe savewbai > or visit http://lists.tao.ca __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
This is one of the clearest, and therefore, most chilling positions that I've seen on the unfolding Crusade/Jihad bloodbath. Check out Arundathi Roy's description of bin Laden as Bush's "doppleganger" (A ghostly double of a living person, especially one that haunts its fleshly counterpart). It shows how contemptuous is the ultra-left position that declairs we side with imperialism by being simultaneously opposed to US imperialist aggression & critical of the Taleban's CIA sponsored fundamentalism.... -MS ********************************************************************** Subject: Fwd: 'Algebra of Infinite Justice' by Arundathi Roy Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:38:44 -0400 > > >Guardian, UK >Saturday, September 29, 2001 > >The Algebra of Infinite Justice >As the US prepares to wage a new kind of war, Arundhati Roy challenges the >instinct for vengance > >By Arundhati Roy > >In the aftermath of the unconscionable September 11 suicide attacks on the >Pentagon and the World Trade Centre, an American newscaster said: "Good >and evil rarely manifest themselves as clearly as they did last Tuesday. >People who we don't know massacred people who we do. And they did so with >contemptuous glee." Then he broke down and wept. > >Here's the rub: America is at war against people it doesn't know, because >they don't appear much on TV. Before it has properly identified or even >begun to comprehend the nature of its enemy, the US government has, in a >rush of publicity and embarrassing rhetoric, cobbled together an >"international coalition against terror", mobilised its army, its air >force, its navy and its media, and committed them to battle. > >The trouble is that once America goes off to war, it can't very well >return without having fought one. If it doesn't find its enemy, for the >sake of the enraged folks back home, it will have to manufacture one. Once >war begins, it will develop a momentum, a logic and a justification of its >own, and we'll lose sight of why it's being fought in the first place. > >What we're witnessing here is the spectacle of the world's most powerful >country reaching reflexively, angrily, for an old instinct to fight a new >kind of war. Suddenly, when it comes to defending itself, America's >streamlined warships, cruise missiles and F-16 jets look like obsolete, >lumbering things. As deterrence, its arsenal of nuclear bombs is no longer >worth its weight in scrap. Box-cutters, penknives, and cold anger are the >weapons with which the wars of the new century will be waged. Anger is the >lock pick. It slips through customs unnoticed. Doesn't show up in baggage >checks. > >Who is America fighting? On September 20, the FBI said that it had doubts >about the identities of some of the hijackers. On the same day President >George Bush said, "We know exactly who these people are and which >governments are supporting them." It sounds as though the president knows >something that the FBI and the American public don't. > >In his September 20 address to the US Congress, President Bush called the >enemies of America "enemies of freedom". "Americans are asking, 'Why do >they hate us?' " he said. "They hate our freedoms - our freedom of >religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and >disagree with each other." People are being asked to make two leaps of >faith here. First, to assume that The Enemy is who the US government says >it is, even though it has no substantial evidence to support that claim. >And second, to assume that The Enemy's motives are what the US government >says they are, and there's nothing to support that either. > >For strategic, military and economic reasons, it is vital for the US >government to persuade its public that their commitment to freedom and >democracy and the American Way of Life is under attack. In the current >atmosphere of grief, outrage and anger, it's an easy notion to peddle. >However, if that were true, it's reasonable to wonder why the symbols of >America's economic and military dominance - the World Trade Centre and the >Pentagon - were chosen as the targets of the attacks. Why not the Statue >of Liberty? Could it be that the stygian anger that led to the attacks has >its taproot not in American freedom and democracy, but in the US >government's record of commitment and support to exactly the opposite >things - to military and economic terrorism, insurgency, military >dictatorship, religious bigotry and unimaginable genocide (outside >America)? It must be hard for ordinary Americans, so recently bereaved, to >look up at the world with their eyes full of tears and encounter what >might appear to them to be indifference. It isn't indifference. It's just >augury. An absence of surprise. The tired wisdom of knowing that what goes >around eventually comes around. American people ought to know that it is >not them but their government's policies that are so hated. They can't >possibly doubt that they themselves, their extraordinary musicians, their >writers, their actors, their spectacular sportsmen and their cinema, are >universally welcomed. All of us have been moved by the courage and grace >shown by firefighters, rescue workers and ordinary office staff in the >days since the attacks. > >America's grief at what happened has been immense and immensely public. It >would be grotesque to expect it to calibrate or modulate its anguish. >However, it will be a pity if, instead of using this as an opportunity to >try to understand why September 11 happened, Americans use it as an >opportunity to usurp the whole world's sorrow to mourn and avenge only >their own. Because then it falls to the rest of us to ask the hard >questions and say the harsh things. And for our pains, for our bad timing, >we will be disliked, ignored and perhaps eventually silenced. > >The world will probably never know what motivated those particular >hijackers who flew planes into those particular American buildings. They >were not glory boys. They left no suicide notes, no political messages; no >organisation has claimed credit for the attacks. All we know is that their >belief in what they were doing outstripped the natural human instinct for >survival, or any desire to be remembered. It's almost as though they could >not scale down the enormity of their rage to anything smaller than their >deeds. And what they did has blown a hole in the world as we knew it. In >the absence of information, politicians, political commentators and >writers (like myself) will invest the act with their own politics, with >their own interpretations. This speculation, this analysis of the >political climate in which the attacks took place, can only be a good >thing. > >But war is looming large. Whatever remains to be said must be said >quickly. Before America places itself at the helm of the "international >coalition against terror", before it invites (and coerces) countries to >actively participate in its almost godlike mission - called Operation >Infinite Justice until it was pointed out that this could be seen as an >insult to Muslims, who believe that only Allah can mete out infinite >justice, and was renamed Operation Enduring Freedom- it would help if some >small clarifications are made. For example, Infinite Justice/Enduring >Freedom for whom? Is this America's war against terror in America or >against terror in general? What exactly is being avenged here? Is it the >tragic loss of almost 7,000 lives, the gutting of five million square feet >of office space in Manhattan, the destruction of a section of the >Pentagon, the loss of several hundreds of thousands of jobs, the >bankruptcy of some airline companies and the dip in the New York Stock >Exchange? Or is it more than that? In 1996, Madeleine Albright, then the >US secretary of state, was asked on national television what she felt >about the fact that 500,000 Iraqi children had died as a result of US >economic sanctions. She replied that it was "a very hard choice", but >that, all things considered, "we think the price is worth it". Albright >never lost her job for saying this. She continued to travel the world >representing the views and aspirations of the US government. More >pertinently, the sanctions against Iraq remain in place. Children continue >to die. > >So here we have it. The equivocating distinction between civilisation and >savagery, between the "massacre of innocent people" or, if you like, "a >clash of civilisations" and "collateral damage". The sophistry and >fastidious algebra of infinite justice. How many dead Iraqis will it take >to make the world a better place? How many dead Afghans for every dead >American? How many dead women and children for every dead man? How many >dead mojahedin for each dead investment banker? As we watch mesmerised, >Operation Enduring Freedom unfolds on TV monitors across the world. A >coalition of the world's superpowers is closing in on Afghanistan, one of >the poorest, most ravaged, war-torn countries in the world, whose ruling >Taliban government is sheltering Osama bin Laden, the man being held >responsible for the September 11 attacks. > >The only thing in Afghanistan that could possibly count as collateral >value is its citizenry. (Among them, half a million maimed orphans.There >are accounts of hobbling stampedes that occur when artificial limbs are >airdropped into remote, inaccessible villages.) Afghanistan's economy is >in a shambles. In fact, the problem for an invading army is that >Afghanistan has no conventional coordinates or signposts to plot on a >military map - no big cities, no highways, no industrial complexes, no >water treatment plants. Farms have been turned into mass graves. The >countryside is littered with land mines - 10 million is the most recent >estimate. The American army would first have to clear the mines and build >roads in order to take its soldiers in. > >Fearing an attack from America, one million citizens have fled from their >homes and arrived at the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The UN >estimates that there are eight million Afghan citizens who need emergency >aid. As supplies run out - food and aid agencies have been asked to leave >- the BBC reports that one of the worst humanitarian disasters of recent >times has begun to unfold. Witness the infinite justice of the new >century. Civilians starving to death while they're waiting to be killed. > >In America there has been rough talk of "bombing Afghanistan back to the >stone age". Someone please break the news that Afghanistan is already >there. And if it's any consolation, America played no small part in >helping it on its way. The American people may be a little fuzzy about >where exactly Afghanistan is (we hear reports that there's a run on maps >of the country), but the US government and Afghanistan are old friends. > >In 1979, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the CIA and Pakistan's >ISI (Inter Services Intelligence) launched the largest covert operation in >the history of the CIA. Their purpose was to harness the energy of Afghan >resistance to the Soviets and expand it into a holy war, an Islamic jihad, >which would turn Muslim countries within the Soviet Union against the >communist regime and eventually destabilise it. When it began, it was >meant to be the Soviet Union's Vietnam. It turned out to be much more than >that. Over the years, through the ISI, the CIA funded and recruited almost >100,000 radical mojahedin from 40 Islamic countries as soldiers for >America's proxy war. The rank and file of the mojahedin were unaware that >their jihad was actually being fought on behalf of Uncle Sam. (The irony >is that America was equally unaware that it was financing a future war >against itself.) > >In 1989, after being bloodied by 10 years of relentless conflict, the >Russians withdrew, leaving behind a civilisation reduced to rubble. > >Civil war in Afghanistan raged on. The jihad spread to Chechnya, Kosovo >and eventually to Kashmir. The CIA continued to pour in money and military >equipment, but the overheads had become immense, and more money was >needed. The mojahedin ordered farmers to plant opium as a "revolutionary >tax". The ISI set up hundreds of heroin laboratories across Afghanistan. >Within two years of the CIA's arrival, the Pakistan-Afghanistan borderland >had become the biggest producer of heroin in the world, and the single >biggest source of the heroin on American streets. The annual profits, said >to be between $100bn and $200bn, were ploughed back into training and >arming militants. > >In 1995, the Taliban - then a marginal sect of dangerous, hardline >fundamentalists - fought its way to power in Afghanistan. It was funded by >the ISI, that old cohort of the CIA, and supported by many political >parties in Pakistan. The Taliban unleashed a regime of terror. Its first >victims were its own people, particularly women. It closed down girls' >schools, dismissed women from government jobs, and enforced sharia laws >under which women deemed to be "immoral" are stoned to death, and widows >guilty of being adulterous are buried alive. Given the Taliban >government's human rights track record, it seems unlikely that it will in >any way be intimidated or swerved from its purpose by the prospect of war, >or the threat to the lives of its civilians. > >After all that has happened, can there be anything more ironic than Russia >and America joining hands to re-destroy Afghanistan? The question is, can >you destroy destruction? Dropping more bombs on Afghanistan will only >shuffle the rubble, scramble some old graves and disturb the dead. > >The desolate landscape of Afghanistan was the burial ground of Soviet >communism and the springboard of a unipolar world dominated by America. It >made the space for neocapitalism and corporate globalisation, again >dominated by America. And now Afghanistan is poised to become the >graveyard for the unlikely soldiers who fought and won this war for >America. > >And what of America's trusted ally? Pakistan too has suffered enormously. >The US government has not been shy of supporting military dictators who >have blocked the idea of democracy from taking root in the country. Before >the CIA arrived, there was a small rural market for opium in Pakistan. >Between 1979 and 1985, the number of heroin addicts grew from zero to >one-and-a-half million. Even before September 11, there were three million >Afghan refugees living in tented camps along the border. Pakistan's >economy is crumbling. Sectarian violence, globalisation's structural >adjustment programmes and drug lords are tearing the country to pieces. >Set up to fight the Soviets, the terrorist training centres and madrasahs, >sown like dragon's teeth across the country, produced fundamentalists with >tremendous popular appeal within Pakistan itself. The Taliban, which the >Pakistan government has sup ported, funded and propped up for years, has >material and strategic alliances with Pakistan's own political parties. > >Now the US government is asking (asking?) Pakistan to garotte the pet it >has hand-reared in its backyard for so many years. President Musharraf, >having pledged his support to the US, could well find he has something >resembling civil war on his hands. > >India, thanks in part to its geography, and in part to the vision of its >former leaders, has so far been fortunate enough to be left out of this >Great Game. Had it been drawn in, it's more than likely that our >democracy, such as it is, would not have survived. Today, as some of us >watch in horror, the Indian government is furiously gyrating its hips, >begging the US to set up its base in India rather than Pakistan. Having >had this ringside view of Pakistan's sordid fate, it isn't just odd, it's >unthinkable, that India should want to do this. Any third world country >with a fragile economy and a complex social base should know by now that >to invite a superpower such as America in (whether it says it's staying or >just passing through) would be like inviting a brick to drop through your >windscreen. > >Operation Enduring Freedom is ostensibly being fought to uphold the >American Way of Life. It'll probably end up undermining it completely. It >will spawn more anger and more terror across the world. For ordinary >people in America, it will mean lives lived in a climate of sickening >uncertainty: will my child be safe in school? Will there be nerve gas in >the subway? A bomb in the cinema hall? Will my love come home tonight? >There have been warnings about the possibility of biological warfare - >smallpox, bubonic plague, anthrax - the deadly payload of innocuous >crop-duster aircraft. Being picked off a few at a time may end up being >worse than being annihilated all at once by a nuclear bomb. > >The US government, and no doubt governments all over the world, will use >the climate of war as an excuse to curtail civil liberties, deny free >speech, lay off workers, harass ethnic and religious minorities, cut back >on public spending and divert huge amounts of money to the defence >industry. To what purpose? President Bush can no more "rid the world of >evil-doers" than he can stock it with saints. It's absurd for the US >government to even toy with the notion that it can stamp out terrorism >with more violence and oppression. Terrorism is the symptom, not the >disease. Terrorism has no country. It's transnational, as global an >enterprise as Coke or Pepsi or Nike. At the first sign of trouble, >terrorists can pull up stakes and move their "factories" from country to >country in search of a better deal. Just like the multi-nationals. > >Terrorism as a phenomenon may never go away. But if it is to be contained, >the first step is for America to at least acknowledge that it shares the >planet with other nations, with other human beings who, even if they are >not on TV, have loves and griefs and stories and songs and sorrows and, >for heaven's sake, rights. Instead, when Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence >secretary, was asked what he would call a victory in America's new war, he >said that if he could convince the world that Americans must be allowed to >continue with their way of life, he would consider it a victory. > >The September 11 attacks were a monstrous calling card from a world gone >horribly wrong. The message may have been written by Bin Laden (who >knows?) and delivered by his couriers, but it could well have been signed >by the ghosts of the victims of America's old wars. The millions killed in >Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia, the 17,500 killed when Israel - backed by the >US - invaded Lebanon in 1982, the 200,000 Iraqis killed in Operation >Desert Storm, the thousands of Palestinians who have died fighting >Israel's occupation of the West Bank. And the millions who died, in >Yugoslavia, Somalia, Haiti, Chile, Nicaragua, El Salvador, the Dominican >Republic, Panama, at the hands of all the terrorists, dictators and >genocidists whom the American government supported, trained, bankrolled >and supplied with arms. And this is far from being a comprehensive list. > >For a country involved in so much warfare and conflict, the American >people have been extremely fortunate. The strikes on September 11 were >only the second on American soil in over a century. The first was Pearl >Harbour. The reprisal for this took a long route, but ended with Hiroshima >and Nagasaki. This time the world waits with bated breath for the horrors >to come. > >Someone recently said that if Osama bin Laden didn't exist, America would >have had to invent him. But, in a way, America did invent him. He was >among the jihadis who moved to Afghanistan in 1979 when the CIA commenced >its operations there. Bin Laden has the distinction of being created by >the CIA and wanted by the FBI. In the course of a fortnight he has been >promoted from suspect to prime suspect and then, despite the lack of any >real evidence, straight up the charts to being "wanted dead or alive". > > >From all accounts, it will be impossible to produce evidence (of the sort >that would stand scrutiny in a court of law) to link Bin Laden to the >September 11 attacks. So far, it appears that the most incriminating piece >of evidence against him is the fact that he has not condemned them. > > >From what is known about the location of Bin Laden and the living >conditions in which he operates, it's entirely possible that he did not >personally plan and carry out the attacks - that he is the inspirational >figure, "the CEO of the holding company". The Taliban's response to US >demands for the extradition of Bin Laden has been uncharacteristically >reasonable: produce the evidence, then we'll hand him over. President >Bush's response is that the demand is "non-negotiable". > >(While talks are on for the extradition of CEOs - can India put in a side >request for the extradition of Warren Anderson of the US? He was the >chairman of Union Carbide, responsible for the Bhopal gas leak that killed >16,000 people in 1984. We have collated the necessary evidence. It's all >in the files. Could we have him, please?) > >But who is Osama bin Laden really? Let me rephrase that. What is Osama bin >Laden? He's America's family secret. He is the American president's dark >doppelg�nger. The savage twin of all that purports to be beautiful and >civilised. He has been sculpted from the spare rib of a world laid to >waste by America's foreign policy: its gunboat diplomacy, its nuclear >arsenal, its vulgarly stated policy of "full-spectrum dominance", its >chilling disregard for non-American lives, its barbarous military >interventions, its support for despotic and dictatorial regimes, its >merciless economic agenda that has munched through the economies of poor >countries like a cloud of locusts. Its marauding multinationals who are >taking over the air we breathe, the ground we stand on, the water we >drink, the thoughts we think. Now that the family secret has been spilled, >the twins are blurring into one another and gradually becoming >interchangeable. Their guns, bombs, money and drugs have been going around >in the loop for a while. (The Stinger missiles that will greet US >helicopters were supplied by the CIA. The heroin used by America's drug >addicts comes from Afghanistan. The Bush administration recently gave >Afghanistan a $43m subsidy for a "war on drugs"....) > >Now Bush and Bin Laden have even begun to borrow each other's rhetoric. >Each refers to the other as "the head of the snake". Both invoke God and >use the loose millenarian currency of good and evil as their terms of >reference. Both are engaged in unequivocal political crimes. Both are >dangerously armed - one with the nuclear arsenal of the obscenely >powerful, the other with the incandescent, destructive power of the >utterly hopeless. The fireball and the ice pick. The bludgeon and the axe. >The important thing to keep in mind is that neither is an acceptable >alternative to the other. > >President Bush's ultimatum to the people of the world - "If you're not >with us, you're against us" - is a piece of presumptuous arrogance. It's >not a choice that people want to, need to, or should have to make. > >� Arundhati Roy 2001 > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Firemen support McGreevey
Published in the Home News Tribune 10/13/01
By KATHLEEN HOPKINS
STAFF WRITER
The New Jersey Firemen's Mutual Benevolent Association,
which represents some 6,000 career firefighters statewide, plans to
endorse Jim McGreevey for governor.
William Lavin, president of the state FMBA and a Woodbridge
resident, will announce the union's endorsement of the Democratic Woodbridge
mayor at Engine Company 1 in Elizabeth, where Lavin
>works as a firefighter.
In a phone interview yesterday, Lavin said he didn't know if
it was more important for the union to announce its endorsement of McGreevey
or publicize its disapproval of McGreevey' opponent in the gubernatorial
race, Republican Bret Schundler, former mayor of Jersey City.
The ranks of the Jersey City Fire Department decreased by 15
percent on Schundler's watch, "while Jersey City's waterfront exploded with
high-rises," Lavin said.
"They are unable to effectively fight a high-rise fire in Jersey City,"
Lavin said.
McGreevey has been listening to the concerns of the police
and firefighters unions for years and, during his time in the state senate,
built a record of supporting the needs of public-safety workers, Lavin said.
Tom Gallagher, a spokesman for the Schundler campaign,
defended Schundler's record on public safety, saying the Jersey City
Fire Department has the most firefighters responding to single-alarm fires
than any other urban fire department in the Garden State.
The Jersey City Fire Department, he insisted, remain highly
skilled and highly trained throughout Schundler's tenure as mayor.
Kathleen Hopkins: (908) 353-8003
from the Home News Tribune
Published: October 13, 2001
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schundler plans to make NJ public schools worse, they're already the fourth most segregated in the nation. we must combat republican agendas that will ultimately bring about the worst conditions to New Jersey residents. http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/elections/ledger/14b571c.html Republicans in the Garbage Can! Vote Greasy! Expose Green$ as Rightwing Berets- _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>_________________________________________________________________ > > Friday, October 5, 2001 > > > > CUNY Chancellor, Trustees Denounce Professors Who Criticized > U.S. Policy After Attacks > > By ROBIN WILSON > > > > Trustees of the City University of New York have drafted a > resolution condemning professors who criticized U.S. foreign > policy at a teach-in earlier this week. Matthew Goldstein, the > university's chancellor, also issued a statement saying > professors had offered "lame excuses" to justify the September > 11 terrorist attacks. > > The professors who were denounced made their statements at a > teach-in Tuesday that was organized by the university's > faculty and staff union, the Professional Staff Congress. > Neither the trustees nor the chancellor attended the teach-in > at the City College campus in upper Manhattan, and have based > their reactions on articles in the New York Post. The articles > quoted Walter Daum, a mathematics lecturer at City College, as > telling the 200 people who attended: "The ultimate > responsibility lies with the rulers of this country, the > capitalist ruling class of this country." > > The newspaper also quoted Bill Crain, a psychology professor > at City College, as saying he wanted "peace, not war," and > adding: "Our diplomacy is horrible." > > Two members of the university's Board of Trustees have drafted > a resolution to be considered at the board's October 22 > meeting. The draft, a copy of which was made available to The > Chronicle, calls the professors' statements "outrageous" and > says they have "with their selfish, tasteless, and unjustified > conduct, brought shame to the City University of New York." > > Jeffrey S. Wiesenfeld, one of the trustees who drafted the > resolution, said it was "self-indulgent" of the professors to > express their sentiments just 100 blocks from the scene where > thousands lost their lives in the destruction of the World > Trade Center. Mr. Wiesenfeld said he feared that the > professors had damaged the university's reputation, and > although he said he realized that the trustees could not fire > the professors, he added: "They have the invitation to take a > hike." > > Mr. Goldstein, the chancellor, said in his statement that it > was important not to compromise "the free exchange of ideas." > But he said he had "no sympathy for the voices of those who > seek to justify or make lame excuses for the attacks on the > World Trade Center and the Pentagon with arguments based on > ideological or historical circumstances." He added: "There are > no excuses for deliberate actions taken to kill innocent > people." > > Mr. Crain, the psychology professor, said the Post had > distorted some professors' remarks, including his. He said he > had read a poem at the teach-in. "I said U.S. alliances have > shifted. We support one person, and then another, but the > constant is violence," he said in an interview. "We need to > address that and work for peace." > > Mr. Daum said he had been quoted accurately, but he said he > had been trying to explain what may have led to the attacks, > not justify them. "In no way am I sympathetic to what was mass > murder," he said. > > Barbara Bowen, president of the Professional Staff Congress, > said there is a difference between studying the attacks and > excusing them. She noted that the union itself had passed a > resolution before the teach-in, condemning the attacks. The > union's resolution also calls for CUNY to be "a safe harbor > for people and ideas." > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Chronicle subscribers can read this article on the Web at this address: >http://chronicle.com/free/2001/10/2001100502n.htm > >If you would like to have complete access to The Chronicle's Web >site, a special subscription offer can be found at: > > http://chronicle.com/4free > >_________________________________________________________________ > >You may visit The Chronicle as follows: > > * via the World-Wide Web, at http://chronicle.com > * via telnet at chronicle.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Copyright 2001 by The Chronicle of Higher Education _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Lady sings the blues
10/15/01
BY PETER FILICHIA
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
REVIEW
Lady Day at Emerson's Bar and Grill
Where: George Street Playhouse, 9 Livingston Ave., New Brunswick
When: Through Nov. 11. Tuesdays through Saturdays at 8 p.m., Sundays at 2
and 7 p.m.
with assorted Thursday and Saturday matinees at 2 p.m.
How much: $30-$45. Call (732) 246-7717.
As superb as Suzzanne Douglas was last year when she appeared at the George
Street
Playhouse in "Wit," she's trumping her own ace right now on the same stage
in Lanie
Robertson's "Lady Day at Emerson's Bar and Grill."
New Brunswick theatergoers learned last October that Douglas was an amazing
dramatic
actress, when she portrayed Dr. Vivian Bearing, the stern university
professor who
regained her humanity only when diagnosed with ovarian cancer. But they had
no reason to
believe that she could sing potent jazz and blues.
But Douglas can and does, while portraying noted jazz legend Billie Holiday,
in one of the
entertainer's final gigs -- not at Carnegie Hall, where she once triumphed,
but at a modest
neighborhood nightspot in Philadelphia.
Actually, that was fine with Holiday, who preferred to sing in intimate
clubs where she
could become chummy with the patrons. The problem here, though, is that
Holiday is in
danger of revealing too much to the crowd. As Sally Bowles would sing much
later, "Well,
that's what comes from too much pills and liquor" -- not to mention heroin.
So, under Reggie Montgomery's taut direction, Douglas' Holiday staggers out,
in a garish
pink gown that doesn't serve her well. Nor does it hide the three dark marks
on her left arm,
evidence of drug injections. Her trademark gardenia is not in her hair, but
clutched in her
hand, as if she's holding on to it for dear life.
While she sings, her arms suddenly lift up and twirl, as she desperately
hopes that they'll
help her keep her balance. After a song, she gives the audience a generous
smile, which
often immediately disappears, replaced by a furrowed brow and a frown that
say, "Did that
go over? Are they seeing who I really am? Did I just get away with that?"
Meanwhile, Jimmy, her musical director, is at the piano, trying desperately
to pretend that
nothing's wrong. He laughs too hard at her "jokes," in hopes that he'll
convince the
audience that Holiday is just a free-wheeling entertainer who's sticking to
her script. But he
can only carry this ruse so far, and occasionally must jump up and hope to
get her on track.
Easier said than done. Holiday goes off-stage, presumably to shoot up, and
comes back
with a Chihuahua in the palm of her hand. By this point, Douglas has already
had the
audience exactly where the dog is sitting.
For that voice and song stylings have mesmerized them. As Douglas leans back
on the
music, the audience leans forward, all the better to hear her soulful "When
a Woman Loves
a Man," her jaunty "'Taint Nobody's Biz-ness If I Do," her joyous "Them
There Eyes."
Give her a sirloin and a glass of champagne for her "Gimme a Pigfoot and a
Bottle of
Beer."
But it wouldn't be a Billie Holiday biography if it didn't have her two
signature songs on
hand, and Douglas does them both with an immense amount of feeling: "Strange
Fruit"
and "God Bless the Child."
Indeed, but God has already blessed Suzzanne Douglas with an astonishing
amount of
talent. God bless Douglas, too, for making what theatergoers will hope is at
least an annual
appearance at the George Street Playhouse.
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hell yeah, down with public schools... they suck anyways, like all public services, always one step shittier than the privatized version. Vote Schundler, get rid of turnpike and parkway tolls !! commies and anarchists in the garbdge can !! (Hey, look who i am !!!) Joe Kaminski On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, joseph smith wrote: > schundler plans to make NJ public schools worse, they're already the fourth > most segregated in the nation. we must combat republican agendas that will > ultimately bring about the worst conditions to New Jersey residents. > > http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/elections/ledger/14b571c.html > > Republicans in the Garbage Can! > Vote Greasy! Expose Green$ as Rightwing Berets- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
>From: "Ray Higbee Jr" <whcoon@...> > >Dear RUGreens, > Despite the best efforts of Joe Smith and other small >sects, Jerry Coleman is still the Green Party candidate for Governor, >and will still recieve thousands of votes on November 6th. Sadly, >RUGreens, and the NJCampusGreens overall, were in disarray this >election season. We'll be ready for the 2002 election season when it >comes. Thank you to everyone who has campaigned for Jerry Coleman in >anyway this season! > Peacefully, > Ray Higbee Jr > NJ Campus Greens > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Hispanic male stabs, mugs student By: Melissa Hayes 10/16/01 -------------------------- A 22-year-old Rutgers College senior was mugged and stabbed on Somerset Street at 3:30 a.m. Saturday. After going the Corner Tavern and Nova Terra, a restaurant on Albany Street, she was dropped off at home around 2:30 a.m., said a friend of the victim who requested anonymity. The friend said after he dropped the victim off, the victim went to a party with friends. The victim left the party and arrived at home alone. While attempting to enter her residence at 270 Somerset St., she was approached from behind by a Hispanic male whom she did not know. The male grabbed her and dragged her into a nearby alley, Lt. Thomas Selesky of the New Brunswick Police Department said. The assailant then asked the student for money and she gave him $5, Selesky said. He added that when the victim said she had only $5, the assailant began searching her pockets and she screamed. The male then stabbed the victim in the left arm and right chest cavity, causing her lung to collapse, Selesky said. She was taken to Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital on Little Albany Street, Selesky said. The victim�s friend said she might be released from the hospital today. A statement released by the Rutgers University Police Department described the perpetrator as a Hispanic male, about 5 feet 8 inches tall. The case is currently under investigation by the NBPD. Any information regarding the incident should be reported to the NBPD or the RUPD. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
one left move for coleman - target bush2 and co. smash schundler! build the necessary & temporary alliance with greasy in order to provide the safest conditions for the peoples to organize THE independent movement. for the peoples of NJ who is worse - schundler or mcgreevey? you admit your plans to spoil elections for the democrats! but you are spoiling conditions for THE peoples independent movement you fools. to fight the peoples enemy in battles that the people cannot win strengthens the peoples enemy. do you dispute this? and yet you understand you cannot win, so one must assume that your goal is to strengthen the peoples enemy - which is what is presently happening with the rise of international fascism under bush2 and the far right. where do you think schundler comes from? the only way the people of NJ will be organized to win a gubernatorial election is when all the cities and towns are first organized and won. the people do not have the organization to elect a dog catcher in New Brunswick, yet ray higbee Jr will straighten everything out by 2002 to run a successful campaign for US senate? that is not a very scientific approach for organizing to win anything except REPUBLICAN positions. dump coleman! attack greasy, defeat schundler! joe smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy >From: "Ray Higbee Jr" <whcoon@...> >To: RUGreens@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [RUGreens] How Jerry Coleman helps all of us. >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:33:26 -0000 > >In respone to Mr. Smith's questions. > >Q. Can coleman win? > > Most likely, not this year. While Jerry Coleman has the best the >most progrssive positions of all candidates in this race, neither he >nor the Green Party have the name regonition to win. The Green Party >is a new idea, and most of the voters in the state do not know what >we represent. > >Q. How does coleman's campaign serve the independent movement? > > Jerry Coleman is running of the only "minor" political party with >a true state-wide organization. We have county chapters small or >large in every county in the state of New Jersey, and we are growing >every day. He gives voters a choice aside from the Republican and >Democratic parties, which are becoming harder to tell apart. >Both "major" parties are playing centist with "left" or "right" >tentancies. When was the last time either the Republican or the >Democratic parties pushed for a living wage, or university health >care? > >Q. Why are the njcampusgreens in disarray? > > The NJCampusGreens are in disarray due to small organizational >problems. Chapters at Montclair State, William Patterson, and Rowan >Universities are strong. Rutgers New-Bruiswick and Drew Universities >are suffering setbacks, which I will try to help rectify. > >What are your plans for the 2002 election season and how will they >serve the peoples independent movement? > > Which peoples indenpendent movement? There are several throughout >the state of New Jersey and many throughout the United States. >However, the majority of "the people" are not involved in an >independent movement. The proof will be shown on Election Day, when >97% of the 45% of the voters of NJ vote Republican or Democrat. The >key to a sucessful people's movement is to bring in all members of >society, and the majority lies in the middle class. For a "people's >independent movement" to be truly effective, the majority must be, at >the least, in silent support (see Richard Nixon's "Silent Majority"). > > As our candidates draw more support and move out of the 1-2% range >into the 10-20% range, we shall be taken far more seriously by all >voters. We will "spoil" some races for Democrats, and we'll be told >that we're letting Republicans win! But guess what? Democrats are not >all good, just as Republicans are not all bad. The world will not go >hell. Instead, I imagine both Democrats and Republicans will try to >co-op progressives positions and phrases (ex: Campaign Finance >Reform) to get their votes back. In the end, the Green Party will be >a "major" party, and progressives will have a party to call their >own. > > As for 2002, no one is positive. The only thing I know for certain >is that we will have a U.S. Senate candidate. Ask me again in a >couple of months. > Peacefully, > Ray Higbee > MSUGreens > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
J&J profits soar on prescription drugs
10/17/01
BY DAVID SCHWAB
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
In this disappointing earnings season, Johnson &
Johnson is like a huge Band-Aid for hurting investors.
The huge health-care company based in New Brunswick
yesterday reported third-quarter profit rose 16 percent, thanks to
especially strong sales of prescription drugs.
The company's results were "nothing short of
spectacular," said Kurt Kruger, a health-care analyst at Banc of America
Securities.
J&J's performance was just the latest example of why
drug companies often are viewed by analysts and investors as reliable stocks
to own when the economy is floundering, on the theory that consumers will
always need their medicines.
Shares of J&J, a component of the Dow Jones industrial
average, rose $1.05, or 1.9 percent, to $56.77.
Since the beginning of the year, shares have risen 9.2
percent, while the American Stock Exchange Pharmaceutical Index is down
nearly 10 percent, still better than many industries.
Net earnings rose to $1.53 billion, or 49 cents per
share, compared with $1.32 billion, or 43 cents per share, a year ago.
Pharmaceutical sales rose 16 percent worldwide. But
Kruger and company executives noted year- over-year growth was really more
like 22 percent, if you ignore factors such as currency fluctuations and
irregular buying patterns of wholesalers, who often load up on drugs before
scheduled price increases take effect.
"You can argue they were growing at 20 percent, which
is really quite impressive," Kruger said.
Revenue for the quarter rose 10.8 percent to $8.24
billion, with prescription drugs accounting for almost 45 percent, or $3.68
billion.
Sales of medical devices, such as the stents used to
unclog heart arteries, rose 9.3 percent, to $2.78 billion. Sales of consumer
products, such as Neutrogena skin care products, rose 3.2 percent to $1.78
billion.
Johnson & Johnson executives said increased consumer
advertising helped to grow sales of two key prescription drugs: Procit and
Remicade.
Procit sales in the United States grew by 62 percent to
$742 million. The drug treats anemia associated with conditions such as
cancer chemotherapy and AIDS.
It also can be taken by patients two weeks before
elective surgeries, such as a hip replacement, to reduce the need to store
blood for transfusions.
Sales of Remicade grew 153 percent to $202 million for
the quarter.
Remicade, a treatment for Crohn's disease, an
intestinal inflammation, also was used to treat the symptoms of rheumatoid
arthritis, such as inflammation of the joints. In January, J&J announced the
Food and Drug Administration approved using Remicade to help prevent the
disease from getting worse.
J&J executives said Remicade sales also were bolstered
by the fact that a competing drug, Enbrel, was in short supply because its
manufacturer, Seattle-based Immunex Corp., couldn't produce enough. Enbrel
is marketed with Madison-based American Home Products.
David Schwab covers the drug industry. He can be reached at
dschwab@... or at (973) 392-5835.
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Labor Dept. nomination advances
10/17/01
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- In a big setback for organized labor, a
Senate committee yesterday sent the nomination of Eugene Scalia as the Labor
Department's top lawyer to the full Senate for consideration.
The Senate Health, Education and Labor Committee voted
11-10 in favor of the nomination. Unions had lobbied intensely to defeat
Scalia, a Washington labor lawyer and son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin
Scalia, because of his opposition to a Clinton-era ergonomics regulation
aimed at enhancing workplace safety. He had criticized the rule as
"quackery" and "junk science."
"Mr. Scalia is well-known for his long-standing
opposition to workers' rights and protections," said committee Chairman
Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.). "Throughout his career, he has worked against
job health and job safety protections for workers."
Sen. Jim Jeffords (I-Vt.) tipped the party-line vote in
Scalia's favor. Republicans defended Scalia's views on the ergonomics
regulation, saying that a majority in Congress also thought it was a bad
rule when it was repealed in the spring.
Labor Secretary Elaine Chao urged the Senate to act
quickly on the nomination, which has been pending for more than five months.
"We urge the opposition not to make this into a
partisan litmus test," Chao said.
Scalia, at his confirmation hearing last month, said he
thought ergonomics-related injuries existed. He said the regulation issued
by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration last year went too far.
That regulation was repealed by Congress in March after
a legislative battle that pitted business groups against labor unions. Chao
plans to announce this month if the agency will pursue another regulation or
a voluntary approach.
As labor solicitor, Scalia would be charged with
enforcing nearly 200 labor laws. He would provide legal advice and guidance
on virtually every initiative of the department in areas such as safety and
health, minimum wage and pension security.
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Ex-boyfriend tells jury he blacked out before slaying
10/17/01
BY ANA M. ALAYA
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Taking the witness stand in his own defense yesterday,
Agustin Garcia said he felt betrayed and "blacked out" in the moments before
he shot his longtime girlfriend to death in her Ridgefield home on the day
she was to marry another man.
The North Bergen businessman and one-time leader of a
large Dominican community testified that he was overcome at the site of
Gladys Ricart in a wedding dress when he walked into her living room on the
afternoon of July 26, 1999. It was the first time Garcia had spoken publicly
about Ricart's shooting death.
"I felt betrayed and confused and I was upset, angry
and confused," Garcia told a jury in state Superior Court in Hackensack,
where he is on trial for Ricart's murder. "I felt like the universe was
falling."
Garcia, who broke down in tears and hid his face from
the court during parts of the proceedings yesterday, testified that he knew
nothing of Ricart's wedding plans and even had sex with her in the week
leading up to her planned betrothal to James Preston Jr.
On the day of the shooting, Garcia said he stopped by
Ricart's home to talk to her about a reception they had planned on attending
together, but saw limousines in front of the house. Puzzled because Ricart
had told him she was going shopping that day, Garcia said he went into the
house to find out what was going on. Suddenly, he said, he found himself
being accosted by Ricart's son and brother, Juan Ricart.
"I felt myself blacking out and falling, and as I was
falling I saw a white flash and a body falling, and I saw another white
flash," Garcia said. "I remember struggling with Juan, and he was screaming
'You killed my sister. You killed my sister,'" Garcia continued. "I got a
sense of what was going on and I said I wanted to kill myself."
Punching the air to demonstrate the events leading up
to the shooting, Garcia said he suffered a severe blow to the head by
Ricart's son and was wrestled by her brother as soon as he entered her
house. He said he shot his pistol in self-defense.
"I was shooting at anybody," Garcia said.
During the scuffle, Garcia testified, he said he wanted
to kill himself, a statement he was heard shouting several times on a
videotape that captured the tussle between him and Ricart's relatives and
Ricart herself crumpling to the floor after Garcia fired his gun.
Ricart, 38, was shot three times, once in the head.
Garcia's lawyers have invoked a defense of "passion
provocation," arguing that he was in the dark about Ricart's pending
nuptials up until the day of her wedding.
If the jury agrees, it could find him guilty of
manslaughter, a conviction that carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in
prison. A murder conviction would mean a life sentence for Garcia, 49.
During cross-examination, First Assistant Bergen County
Prosecutor Fred Schwanwede hammered away at Garcia's story, focusing in part
on a statement he made to police detectives shortly after his arrest, much
of which he denied stating during his testimony yesterday.
"According to the statement, you knew that Gladys
Ricart was seeing another man," Schwanwede said.
Garcia denied making the statement, and also refuted
the earlier testimony of prosecution witnesses who said that he not only
stalked Ricart in the days before her pending marriage but also knew she was
about to tie the knot with someone else.
Prosecutors insist Garcia killed Ricart because he
could not stand that she was about to marry another man. They claim he
circled the house several times that day before going in with a loaded gun
in his briefcase.
"Gladys was shot three times, at close range," said
Schwanwede, waving the silver .38 caliber revolver used to kill Ricart. "You
have no idea how that happened? You were having a blackout?" he asked
Garcia.
"That is correct," Garcia replied, prompting Schwanwede
to slam the gun on the table in exasperation.
Much of Garcia's testimony yesterday focused on his
rocky relationship with Ricart, which he said began in 1992 when he met her
on a subway in New York, where he lived. He said they fell in love, lived
together for several years in North Bergen, and continued to see each other
even after a short breakup, during which he saw another woman.
He spoke of problems he and Ricart had with children
from previous relationships and jealousies that caused them to split
temporarily, but stressed they kept getting back together.
Dressed in a gray suit, Garcia told the jury that
Ricart helped him with the travel agency and beauty salon he owned and
attended many functions with him for the Asociaciones Dominicanas, a
nonprofit group that caters to the Dominican community in New York, for
which he served as president for many years.
"We were a couple," Garcia said. "We did everything
together, from shopping to going to church to doing the finances." They
planned to get married in March 1998, but called it off after a dispute, he
said.
On the night before Ricart's planned wedding, Garcia
said Ricart slept over their house and that they had intimate relations,
although they did not have sex. They also went to a local supermarket
together after 1 a.m. to buy feminine products. The supermarket visit was
captured on the store's security videotape.
About five times during yesterday's proceedings, Judge
William C. Meehan instructed jurors to dismiss what the prosecution deemed
were leading questions by the defense attorney, Raymond Colon. There are
eight women and seven men on the jury. Twelve will be chosen to render a
verdict when deliberations begin, expected by the end of the week.
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Jersey women still earn less than men
10/17/01
BY TOM HESTER
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
New Jersey women who work full-time earn higher pay on
average than their counterparts around the nation, but 25 percent less than
male New Jersey workers.
The median hourly wage of full-time working women in
New Jersey is $11.25, compared with $10 nationwide. Men in New Jersey earn
an average $15 an hour, while nationally the median wage for males is
$12.50.
The figures are contained in a report on the status of
New Jersey women released yesterday in Trenton by the Rutgers University
Institute for Women's Leadership and the state Division on Women.
The document is the first of its type to be released in
the state in eight years, according to women's rights activists, and they
hope to see the findings used to set public policy on women's issues.
"Despite relatively high salaries, the earning
disparity between men and women remains," said Linda B. Bowker, the Division
on Women director. "More women are likely to be poor because they are women,
and women of color are more likely than white women to be unemployed."
The report said white women in New Jersey earn an
average $11.53 an hour compared with $10 nationally, while black women in
the state make an average $10 an hour compared with $9 nationally. White men
in New Jersey make an average $16 and black men earn an average $12.96.
New Jersey women are also 1.6 times more likely than
New Jersey men to earn at or below the poverty level. And New Jersey
minority women have the highest rates of unemployment: 9.9 percent for
African-American women, and 7 percent for Hispanic women, compared with 3.9
percent for white women.
Among the "vital statistics" in the report, Bowker
said, "are marked increases in the older population, more mothers in the
labor force, larger numbers of mostly female single parents, and a shift
upward in women's and men's marriage ages."
Among the report's findings:
Over the past decade, the number of divorced women in
New Jersey increased from 230,000 to 275,000, an increase of 19.6 percent to
8.1 percent of all women. The percentage of women who are separated,
divorced or widowed grew from 22.4 to 22.7 during the past decade.
The average annual income for female-headed
households in New Jersey is $30,585 vs. $70,126 for a married-couple
household.
Nearly 64 percent of New Jersey mothers with children
under age 6 work, up 51.4 percent in the past decade.
During the same period, the percentage of
female-headed households in New Jersey living below the poverty level fell
from 28.1 percent to 21.8 percent.
Thirty-one percent of New Jersey women employed
full-time earn at or below the poverty level, slightly below the national
average of 38.9 percent for all women.
The number of New Jersey women with at least some
college education jumped by 35.4 percent to 361,310 women in the past
decade.
The report "illuminates trends that have broad public
policy implications in matters relating to child care, elder care, flexible
work policies, education and other areas," said Jane M. Kenny, state
Community Affairs commissioner. "It's the kind of information that can
improve the status of women by showing what has been achieved and where
challenges remain."
Professor Mary S. Hartman, the Institute for Women's
Leadership director, said copies of the report will be disseminated to
elected officials and business and union leaders statewide.
Tom Hester covers state government. He can be reached at
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Jury pool screened in capital murder
trial
10/17/01
BY DORE CARROLL
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Jury selection began yesterday in the capital murder
trial of a South River man accused of shooting his girlfriend in their
bedroom and dismembering her body to conceal the crime.
George Jenewicz, 48, is charged with murder and
hindering apprehension for allegedly shooting Eunice Gillens-Joseph, 42,
once in the chest on Oct. 22, 1998.
If Jenewicz is convicted, Middlesex County Prosecutor
Glenn Berman has said the state will seek the death penalty because of the
way he killed her and then abused and cut up the body.
In his New Brunswick courtroom, Superior Court Judge
Travis Francis began screening a pool of 150 potential jurors. He asked each
to fill out a 30-page questionnaire and then scheduled them to return next
week for individual interviews with him and the attorneys.
The process of selecting jurors qualified to serve on
the lengthy and gruesome death penalty case will take approximately four
weeks. Jurors will return on Jan. 8, when the five-week trial is scheduled
to begin.
Jenewicz, a former biology technician with a history of
alcoholism, met Gillens-Joseph at a halfway house, and the couple had been
living together for five months when he allegedly killed her.
Police were called to Jenewicz's Cleveland Avenue home
by a friend days later and found Gillens-Joseph's body
dismembered.
Investigators also found a licensed handgun they
believe Jewewicz used to shoot Gillens-Joseph, several shotguns and rifles,
a hacksaw and hatchet, and a mop to clean up the blood.
Berman and Assistant Prosecutor Joseph Rea, who is also
working on the case, said at a hearing in June that Jenewicz confessed to
the crime in a discussion with his former cellmate at the Middlesex County
jail.
The cellmate, Richard Selert, told investigators that
Jenewicz said he plastered over a hole in the bedroom wall where the bullet
lodged after passing through the victim's body.
Jenewicz's attorney, Steve Altman of New Brunswick, has
argued that the cellmate's statement should not be admitted at trial.
Jenewicz's previous attorney said he shot
Gillens-Joseph after an argument over money, when she pointed a gun at him.
Jenewicz has been held at the Middlesex County jail
since his arrest.
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is a proud member and supporter of the Jericho Movement. Please forward, read, participate in and send out this email/statement. The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _______________________________________________________________________________________________ The Jericho Movement P.O. Box 650, New York, NY 10009 (212) 502-1143 For Immediate Release Contact Person: Safiya Bukhari Contact Number: (917) 407 7496 For background information on political prisoners see: www.thejerichomovement.com Political Prisoners and Others Locked Down Following September 11th Actions The social and political pandemonium following the attacks against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is allowing many governmental policies to be implemented with virtually no scrutiny from the general public. The most drastic of these measures to date has been the ability for repressive institutions within the United States government to increase their repression with impunity, particularly the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), law enforcement agencies and the prison system. Within hours of the September 11th attacks political prisoners and POWs across the country were surgically removed from general population and thrown into Security Housing Units. They were classified as being placed in Administrative Segregation and detained officially "for investigation". Known to be included in the roundup were Marilyn Buck, Tom Manning, Carlos Alberto Torres, Sundiata Acoli, Richard Williams, Father Philip Berrigan, Kojo Bomani Sababu, Haydee Beltran and Larry Giddings. Also targeted were muslims. These actions were the results of orders that originated in the US Department of Justice and came through the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Depending on the on which institution contacted and the individual political prisoner inquired after, the reason given for this unprecedented denial of access was different, despite the fact that the orders came from one source. Each institution interpreted the order inconsistently. Some said that any prisoner having explosives on their records were segregated out, other said that it was - as in the case of Father Philip Berrigan - for his own protection. Father Philip Berrigan has never had a threat posed against him by another inmate. Who then was he being protected from? He has since been released to general population. Some, like Marilyn Buck and Tom Manning, were supposedly being held *for investigation* despite the fact that both of them have been incarcerated for over 20 years. Muslims, in general, have been locked down and in some cases, such as Lewisburg and Leavenworth, remain locked down. In Lewisburg, PA, for example, political prisoner Larry Giddings was held incommunicado for 21 days. He was finally released on Thursday, October 4th. The muslims that were locked down at the same time he was remain so. Also, known to be still on lock down are political prisoners Sundiata Acoli, Carlos Alberto Torres and Kojo Bomani Sababu. Very effort is being made to determine the status of others. Political prisoners and prisoners in general have been subjected to lockdowns ostensibly for security reasons before. The big difference in these lockdowns is the fact that they are being denied access to lawyers by phone and/or visits. The right of access to courts has been a fundamental right that has not been violated before. This denial of access to lawyers makes it impossible for them to protest these unjust actions and conditions they are being held under as well as making it impossible for families, friends and supporters to determine how they are. We submit that the real reasons for the lockdown of these political prisoners and prisoners of war at this time is to further alienate them and criminalize them. The government of the United States continues to deny the existence of political prisoners inside the prisons and jails of this country. They have denied that there are legitimate political struggles for freedom, liberation and human rights going on within the borders of the United States. They have long sought to label those involved in such struggles as "terrorists". We submit that this latest move against the political prisoners and prisoners of war is another step in defining them as terrorist and thereby vindicating themselves in their handling of these people - another step toward criminalizing dissent in the United States. This could only be the logical reason for what is happening here. These people pose no physical threat to the United States, unless the power of reasoned analysis is a threat. In a paper presented at the 60th International Federation of Library Associations (IFLA) Conference in August of 1994 Vibeke Lehman, Library Services Coordinator fo the Wisconsin Department of Corrections wrote; "In the United States, inmates in both state and federal prisons are guaranteed certain constitutional and civil rights. They include freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, the right to due process, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to adequate medical care, freedom from racial discrimination, and the right to access to the courts. Only in unusual circumstances and fr the sake of safety and security may limitations be imposed on these right." The US government has denied these prisoners these rights without just cause or and without legitimate reason. US corrections authorities and politicians have traditionally used times of crisis to strip inmates of the few rights they retain and to mete out additional repression to political dissidents. In the wake of the tragic loss of life that we have all witnessed, we have seen the best of humanity as well as the worst. The behavior of those who attempt to use these hard times to strip their fellow human beings of their rights is as criminal as the anti-arab and anti-muslim hate crimes that we have nationally condemned. We need to hold Attorney General John Ashcroft and the Bureau of Prisons directly responsible for these abuses of prisoners* rights. We call on everyone with a conscious to write to the addresses below to let them know that their actions have not gone unnoticed and to demand an end to the lockdowns and a return the right to mail, visits and counsel to the prison population victimized by September 11th. 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[for other people reading, this is an exchange i am having that i would like to be as open as possible with, if anyone has questions i'll answer] amiri, you wanna call me and cliff names when your edit board refused to print during the 2000campaign? matt, keith, and louise hung you&S out to dry- but it is myself and cliff who are called names. in the past two presidential elections where was U&S? why did matt, keith, and louise push boycott in '96 with dung&fraud? why did matt sabatoge you&S in 2000? why did keith run for city council as a registered republican? why did matthew embrace republican curtis and not the community of new brunswick for five/six years of organizing? why does keith continue to organize with flavier on flavier's terms? why is fraud speaking at the same rallies as keith and noboby knows they have different lines about an election that is in 20 days? not only is your edit board historically fucked up as far as getting out the U&S line, but it has also engineered expelling myself, cliff, and many others from multiple organizations. their tightest unity has come only through opposing us. and it continues in the RED collective (flavier), an organization that exists only to oppose SWORD and U&S. the RED collective has already engineered an expulsion of SWORD from the anti-war coalition, no thanks to keith who should be letting people know who xavier and RED collective are and where they come from. all keith argues is that splits are bad... not that the people calling for the splits, flavier, are anti-progress and pro-republican. that the RED collective is responsible for NB republican chair being appointed by trenton DCA to NB Housing Authority (only republican to fill any position in new brunswick in 30 years). i want to see U&S with 2 open positions - 1. who the RED collective is and why they oppose the peoples independent political movement. 2. a self examination of the past 6 years of who U&S was wasn't and is - along with specific answers to the above questions in ink. you wanna say our differences are about the question of reparations. you yourself say "white people aren't gunna let us have free education alone, which is alright..." in a U&S video of yourself. and because SWORD maintains that women's oppression is primary to national and class oppression. though these are ideological differences, that is differences between what you and i think, you say SWORD cannot work on the edit staff of U&S based on these differences. SWORD maintains that it must be our revolutionary practice that brings us together, that forces doing revolutionary work must embrace & unite. let our lines be argued openly in the paper so the people can participate. i said fuck you because you refered to me as an anarchist and because you refered to cliff as an asshole and i don't appreciate it. revolutionaries unite 2001 joe smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy From: Amirib@... To: can_bush@... Subject: Re: [njfo] Fwd: [nbpc] Re:] SOS-Joe Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:51:06 EDT A "simile" , like or as, is not the same as direct statement. You didn't say "should I say something like "Fuck you". You can make a sound LIKE a car and dont be that. Grammar 101 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
----Original Message Follows---- From: Pacifica Campaign <pacificacampaign@...> To: Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> Subject: The Pacifica Crisis and 9-11 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:44:34 -0400 The Pacifica Crisis, Independent Media, and 9-11 Pacifica Campaign Forums in California, New York, and Washington, DC October 19-October 21 Live Internet Broadcasts on WBIX.ORG In New York City Black Media at the Crossroads What Path Do We Take After September 11th? What unique price will African Americans and peoples of color incur in the aftermath of the World Trade Center tragedy? How will new legislation, institutionalizing racial profiling, affect our day to day lives? Join us, as these and other questions are answered on Friday, Oct. 19, 2001, 7-10pm EST. Rebroadcast on http://www.wbix.org on Saturday, Oct. 20, 11am EST. Speakers include: Gil Noble, host of "Like It Is" (WABC-TV); Mario Murillo, "Our Americas" (WBAI-FM); Don Rojas, editor of "The Black World Today" (http://www.tbwt.com), and Joan Gibbs, civil rights attorney. Moderator: Bernard White, former WBAI Program Director/Former Host of "Wake Up Call" (WBAI-FM). The forum will take place at the Brooklyn, NY, campus of Long Island University on Friday, Oct. 19, 2001, from 7-10pm. It will be in the Health Sciences Building, Room #107, corner of DeKalb and Flatbush Ave. Trains: D, M, N, Q, R, to Dekalb Ave. of #2, 3, 4, or 5 to Nevins St. For additional information call: (718) 488-1153 or (646) 230-9588. In Washington, DC War, Peace & the USA Live Radio from Washington's All Souls Church 16th and Harvard Street, NW Saturday, October 20, 6pm WBIX.ORG presents War, Peace & the USA with greater DC community and leaders of the Latino, African, Asian, Muslim, Jewish, Indigenous and Arab-American communities, as well as legal, foreign policy & media experts with Errol Maitland, Ryme Katkhouda, and music with spoken word from DC. Broadcast live on http://www.wbix.org on Saturday, Oct. 20, 6pm EST. In Southern California Terrorism, War, & the Media: What You Don't Hear in Mainstream Media The Blackout of the Peace Movement & Racist Hysteria A Series of Forums with Two of America's Leading Media Critics David Barsamian, founder and director of Alternative Radio (www.alternativeradio.org), the award-winning Boulder-based weekly independent radio program that airs on more than 125 public radio stations. Mr. Barsamian is a co-author of many books with Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Eqbal Ahmad, and Edward Said. Laura Flanders, host of Working Assets Radio broadcast daily on KLLW in San Francisco. She is the author of "Real Majority, Media Minority: The Cost of Sidelining Women in Reporting." Her Spin Doctor Laura columns appear daily at http://www.workingforchange.com. Guest Speakers: *Sonali Kolhatkar, is the Vice President of the Afghan Women's Mission http://afghanwomensmission.org, a US-based organization which supports the humanitarian efforts and awareness of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA). *Prof. Glen Mimura, UCI Asian American Studies, Lessons from the Japanese-American Internment *Alan Minsky, LA Independent Media Center (http://www.la.indymedia.org) Los Angeles/UCLA Friday, Oct. 19, 2 PM For exact location call (323) 878-5680 Long Beach Friday, Oct. 19, 7:30 PM First Congregational Church, 241 Cedar Ave, LB For information call: (562) 434-5876 Orange County Saturday, Oct. 20, 3 PM University of California, Irvine/Social Sciences Lecture Hall For information call: (323) 878-5680 LA/Los Feliz Sunday, Oct. 21, 1 PM Skylight Books, 1818 N. Vermont, Los Feliz, 90027 For information call (323) 660-1175 SF Valley Sunday, Oct. 21, 5 PM The Onion (Unitarian Universalist Church), 9550 Haskell Ave. North Hills For information call (805) 527-3470 Organized by: Pacifica Campaign LA, Hollywood/Echo Park Free Pacifica Neighborhood Network, Ventura County Free Speech Network, The Social Concerns Committee of the Onion, Act for Global Justice (UCI), Academia and Action (UCI), The Environmental Coalition (UCLA). For more information contact the Pacifica Campaign (http://www.pacificacampaign.org), a national organization of staff and listeners alike working to preserve Pacifica's 50-year tradition of community-based, listener-sponsored radio. In LA, we are struggling to restore KPFK 90.7 FM to Pacifica's mission -- Tel: (323) 878-5680 or E-mail: pacificacampaignla@... ********************* The Pacifica Campaign is a grass-roots organization representing listeners and staff alike, fighting to preserve Pacifica's 50-year tradition of progressive, community-based radio. For more info go to: http://www.pacificacampaign.org Pacifica Campaign 51 MacDougal St., #80 New York, NY 10012 (646) 230-9588 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The Anti-War Coalition at Rutgers is holding a teach-in on the new war, strategies for organizing, and planning for unity; a discussion to answer the question, "Where do we go from here?" Come listen, learn and discuss! With panelists: Amiri Baraka of Unity and Struggle Eric Boehm of the RU Political Science Department Marina Sitrin of the Institute for Anarchist Studies Richard Dienst of the RU English Department tonight Thursday, October 18 7:00 PM Faculty Dining Room Douglass College Center New Brunswick, NJ For more information, contact Charlotte Kates at ckates@... >Charlotte L. Kates****ckates@...****clkates@... > http://www.offlines.org/-Freedom from Scientology > http://members.nbci.com/justinusa/-JUSTIN: Justice International > Practice organized resistance and conscious acts of solidarity! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
proposal to the anti-war coalition: sword proposes our next rally be an impeach rally! and that it unites local energies to get out the vote to defeat schundler. when do the representatives meet again and where? joe smith revolutionaries must also begin to embrace the discussion of how best to counter the opportunists within the united front against imperialism 2001. >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: "njfo@egroups.com" <njfo@yahoogroups.com>, >"nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com" <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>, one >people <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [njfo] [Fwd: [minefield] Fwd: Federal Instructions In Case Of >Peace Rally] >Date: Mon, 14 Jan 1980 10:52:05 -0500 > >Here is something for those who like to monitor the backward ><< message5.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges people to take some time out to attend this event. Support all Activities that call for the release of all U.S. Held Political Prisoners!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _________________________________________________________________________________________________ New York City Anarchist Black Cross presents: An evening of information and entertainment. featuring; -the music of Chris & Steph -prison films -information of political prisoners/prisoners of war and what you can do to help them in their struggle for liberation -Prison letter writing -cheap buffet -bike valet TUESDAY OCTOBER 23rd, 7pm - 11pm ABC-NORIO 156 Rivington ST. SLIDING SCALE ADMISSION/ BRING A STAMP! take the j/m/z or F trains to essex/delancy st, walk north on essex 2 blocks, right on rivington. This event is part an attempt to raise awarness about the existance of political prisoners and prisoners of war in the United States, as well as part of a letter writing campaign that NYC-ABC and other prisoner support groups are engaged in to help free Political Prisoner Ali Khallid Abdullah, founder of the Political Prisoners of War Coalition. For more information on Anarchist Black Cross contact us at: nycblackcross@... FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS/PRISONERS OF WAR! ABOLISH ALL PRISONS! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
peoples campaign 2002 unite the many, defeat the few! 12noon, sat, 3 nov. nb public library
The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice will be having its next organizer's meeting this Thursday October 25th at 6pm at I.S. 164 on w164th-w165th St. and Edgecombe Avenue (Take the A,1,9 to w168th St. and Columbia Presbyterian and walk up from Broadway to Edgecombe Avenue). We are calling on LATIN@ organizations and individuals to join us to build this Anti-War and Anti-Racist coalition. For more information please contact 718-601-4751 or email LatinCPJ@... _______________________________________________________________________________________________ The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is a coalition of different organizations, individuals, churches, political organizations, and youth groups that have come together to educate, organize, and mobilize the Latino Communities in New York as an effort to support the current Anti-War and Anti-Racist movement.� We recognize that this war is racist and imperialist.��We exist as a coalition to address the direct impact that this war is having and going to have in the Latino Community of New York. Already, we have seen that the $40 Billion that is going to finance this war is coming from youth service agencies, GED/Public education programs, Public Assistance Programs, and Public Afterschool/Day care funds.� These cuts in the funds allocated to Community Based Organizations and Public Service groups are having a negative effect in the Latin@ community.� We have young people being denied the right to receive their educational equivalences, working parents have no place to send their children after school, and working class people are being denied access to public funds to buy food. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice recognizes that the U.S. Military Recruitment drive and Police Academy Recruitment in the Latin@ community has risen by nearly 35%.� By taking away educational funds from high schools and GED programs, our youth have no choice but to seek employment in the Armed Services or Police Academy.� The Military is recruiting youth from Latin@ working class communities because they see this as an excellent opportunity to fill their ranks with people who will be the first to enter war zones and die.� The Police also sees this as an opportunity to gain more recruits to help- oppress social justice and anti-war activists who will be hitting the streets protesting and organizing against the war.� Our youth are being turned into soldiers to support American imperialism and Police men to help oppress their own communities. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice also exists to combat the message that the mass media has been promoting since Sept. 11th.� This indirect and pro-war message that Arabs and Islam are to blame for the war has manifested itself in Latin@s engaging in acts of violence against Arab youth in the Bronx and Brooklyn.� The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with Justice sees these acts of violence as our communities expressing their media-inspired fear, confusion and vicitimization.� Therefore, the Coalition will be focusing in on educating our community about the current war crisis, the need for international solidarity and peace among all oppressed peoples. This coalition is also going to address the plight of the many undocumented Latin@s in our communities who have become the victims of increased INS raids that have ended with the brutalization and death of many these hard-working immigrants.� This war has become an opportunity to fuel xenophobia and mistrust of immigrant communities.� This xenophobia has made the Pro-Amnesty movement for undocumented workers very difficult.� Many undocumented people in Latin@ communities have become fearful for their safety and have been forced to live under even worse living conditions then before. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice believes in the need to prioritize in the education and mobilization of the Latin@ community.� As a working class people of color community, we are directly impacted by the negative repercussions of this war.� We see it as our duty to address these issues in our communities; and do what we can to promote peace and solidarity among all communities. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice: ProLibertad Freedom Campaign The Vieques Support Campaign The Working Group On Puerto Rico/Frente Socialista La Iglesia San Romero de Las Americas La Iglesia San Juan Bautista M! Bronx Community College's Student Government Poder Latino Casa Atabex Ache _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is asking all our supporters to take time
out to particiapte in the national letter writing call that the Alvaro Luna
Hernandez Freedom Coalition has put out!! If you want more information on
Mexican Prisoner of War Alvaro Luna Hernandez please got to
http://www.freealvaro.org
FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!!
_____________________________________________________________________
OCTOBER UPDATE | Over the last several weeks, Chicano
Mexicano Prisoner of War Alvaro Luna Hernandez has been
the target of a bogus investigation and, as a result, has
been placed in solitary confinement as a means to silence
him. We again must speak out on what is happening and
defend our comrade with letters, protests and more.
On Aug. 3, the prison "gang unit" went through Alvaro's cell
under the auspices of investigating recent
Mexicano-on-Mexicano stabbings in the Beto Unit. The
political nature of this investigation should be clear by the
fact no violence occurred on Alvaro's cellblock at all.
Authorities, under order of the warden, were
given authorization to search Alvaro's legal materials for "written
contraband." This request was
made by Sgt. William Kirk, Security Threat Gangs Coordinator.
During that search, guards discovered a handwritten letter to
Alvaro, asking him to pass a letter for
peace among jailed Latinos (no groups were mentioned). Authorities
used this "evidence" to pull
Alvaro from his cell and transfer him to X-Wing under investigation
for alleged affiliation with both
the Mexican Mafia and San Antonio Tango "gangs."
To anyone with even a slight clue, these charges are absurd and
plainly demonstrate the fear these
officials have of organizers like Alvaro. This Prisoner of War has
consistently and completely denied
all affiliations with gangs. Alvaro considers himself first and
foremost a revolutionary, and prison
officials want him out of general population because of his
politics and history as a fighter for
oppressed people. They know Alvaro is supported by many Mexicanos
and dread any type of
organized prisoner politicization, as Alvaro has a history of
leading, and will do whatever it takes to
silence him. We need to not let that happen.
Texas prison officials have a long history of attempting to silence
organizers by labelling them "gang
members" because gangsters are routinely subjected to harsh
punishment, isolation and few are
able to defend against these attempts to discredit and demoralize
our movements. Prisoncrats did
the same to prisoners in the Amistad-March 31 organization and the
Five Percent Nation in the
1990s. Today, they are attempting to do this to Alvaro, and we must
take action now to stop it.
Please contact the following people to demand harassment against
Alvaro Luna Hernandez.
Ray Thompson, Warden
Beto Prison
P. O. Box 128
Tennessee Colony, TX 75880
Phone: (903) 928-2217
Alfred M. Stringfellow, Chairman
Texas Board of Criminal Justice
P. O. Box 13084
Austin, Texas 78711
Phone: (512) 475-3250
Fax: (512) 305-9398
When you write your letters, please be polite but firm. You are
encouraged to focus on three
demands:
1.) Release Alvaro Luna Hernandez from solitary confinement/X-Wing
and return him to general
population, with all his personal and legal materials intact;
2.) End all investigations, harassment and retaliation against
Alvaro Luna Hernandez; and
3.) End all official efforts to label Alvaro Luna Hernandez as a
gang member or as being affiliated
with gangs -- these are false allegations.
Please write at your earliest convenience. Earlier this year, your
support reversed retaliation against
Alvaro. Your support is again needed. Those interested in being
regional organizers for the campaign
to free Alvaro are encouraged to get in touch.
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>The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice will be having its next >organizer's meeting this Thursday October 25th at 6pm at I.S. 164 on >w164th-w165th St. and Edgecombe Avenue (Take the A,1,9 to w168th St. and >Columbia Presbyterian and walk up from Broadway to Edgecombe Avenue). > >We are calling on LATIN@ organizations and individuals to join us to build >this Anti-War and Anti-Racist coalition. > >For more information please contact 718-601-4751 or email >LatinCPJ@... >_______________________________________________________________________________________________ >The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is a coalition of different >organizations, individuals, churches, political organizations, and youth >groups that >have come together to educate, organize, and mobilize the Latino >Communities >in New York as an effort to support the current Anti-War and Anti-Racist >movement.� We recognize that this war is racist and imperialist.��We >exist as a coalition to address the direct impact that this war is having >and going to have in the Latino Community of New York. > >Already, we have seen that the $40 Billion that is going to finance this >war >is coming from youth service agencies, GED/Public education programs, >Public >Assistance Programs, and Public Afterschool/Day care funds.� These cuts in >the funds allocated to Community Based Organizations and Public Service >groups are having a negative effect in the Latin@ community.� We have young >people being denied the right to receive their educational equivalences, >working parents have no place to send their children after school, and >working class people are being denied access to public funds to buy food. > >The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice recognizes that the U.S. >Military Recruitment drive and Police Academy Recruitment in the Latin@ >community has risen by nearly 35%.� By taking away educational funds from >high schools and GED programs, our youth have no choice but to seek >employment in the Armed Services or Police Academy.� The Military is >recruiting youth from Latin@ working class communities because they see >this >as an excellent opportunity to fill their ranks with people who will be the >first to enter war zones and die.� The Police also sees this as an >opportunity to gain more recruits to help- oppress social justice and >anti-war activists who will be hitting the streets protesting and >organizing >against the war.� Our youth are being turned into soldiers to support >American imperialism and Police men to help oppress their own communities. > >The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice also exists to combat the >message that the mass media has been promoting since Sept. 11th.� This >indirect and pro-war message that Arabs and Islam are to blame for the war >has manifested itself in Latin@s engaging in acts of violence against Arab >youth in the Bronx and Brooklyn.� The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with >Justice >sees these acts of violence as our communities expressing their >media-inspired fear, confusion and vicitimization.� Therefore, the >Coalition >will be focusing in on educating our community about the current war >crisis, >the need for international solidarity and peace among all oppressed >peoples. > >This coalition is also going to address the plight of the many undocumented >Latin@s in our communities who have become the victims of increased INS >raids that have ended with the brutalization and death of many these >hard-working immigrants.� This war has become an opportunity to fuel >xenophobia and mistrust of immigrant communities.� This xenophobia has made >the Pro-Amnesty movement for undocumented workers very difficult.� Many >undocumented people in Latin@ communities have become fearful for their >safety and have been forced to live under even worse living conditions then >before. > >The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice believes in the need to >prioritize in the education and mobilization of the Latin@ community.� As a >working class people of color community, we are directly impacted by the >negative repercussions of this war.� We see it as our duty to address these >issues in our communities; and do what we can to promote peace and >solidarity among all communities. > >The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice: >ProLibertad Freedom Campaign >The Vieques Support Campaign >The Working Group On Puerto Rico/Frente Socialista >La Iglesia San Romero de Las Americas >La Iglesia San Juan Bautista >M! >Bronx Community College's Student Government >Poder Latino >Casa Atabex Ache > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Border01-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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----Original Message Follows---- From: Pacifica Campaign <pacificacampaign@...> To: Matthew Smith <vivaohio@...> Subject: Financial Mismanagement Endangers Pacifica Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:55:47 -0400 October 22, 2001 Pacifica Campaign Release Fiscal Irresponsibility Threatens Pacifica Radio Network Anti-Union Lawyers, PR Firms Eating Up Listener Dollars Bills Go Unpaid, But Executive Pay Skyrockets NEW YORK, (Oct. 22) - As Pacifica Radio's embattled leadership continues to pay a bevy of high priced lawyers, public relations firms, and security companies to maintain their tenuous grip on power, basic bills crucial for operations at the five-station network are not being paid. Pacifica station KPFA in Berkeley now has 125 unpaid and overdue bills totaling more than $100,000, according to KPFA's afternoon news show Flashpoints and the http://www.savepacifica.net web site. This includes an unpaid electrical bill of $9,400 to Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E). Pacifica stations KPFK in Los Angeles and WBAI in New York also have many of their bills unpaid, according to staff at those stations. "Listener money is being squandered by an inept and self-serving Pacifica executive leadership," said Juan Gonzalez, the coordinator of the Pacifica Campaign. "By putting lawyers first, and staff and listeners later, the present Pacifica management and Board leadership have abrogated their responsibility as stewards of the oldest listener-sponsored network in the country. They need to resign immediately." In Pacifica's FY2000 (Oct. 1-Sept.30), the network spent a staggering $500,000 of listener money on anti-union law firms and $440,000 more on security. Dissident Board members estimate this year's legal bills have already topped one million dollars, including hundreds of thousands paid to the anti-union law firm of Pacifica Board Secretary John Murdock -- Epstein, Becker & Green. Meanwhile, an investigation by the Pacifica Campaign has revealed that as the network plunged deeper into crisis the past couple of years, executive salaries skyrocketed. The network's IRS tax records obtained by the campaign show that the pay of Pacifica's top brass, including KPFK General Manager Mark Schubb, KPFT General Manager Garland Ganter, and Executive Director Bessie Wash, climbed an average of 30 percent in the one year period from 1999 to 2000. Financial records also show that Pacifica's national administrative office, which oversees the five-station network, spent a staggering 28 cents out of every dollar raised by network staff in 2000. In fact, the national office budget in 2000 exceeded the budgets of four of the five Pacifica stations. But while the law firms, the growing Pacifica bureaucracy, and the Pacifica brass are being handsomely rewarded, Pacifica's five stations are suffering. The financial crisis comes at KPFA despite the fact that the station has exceeded all on-air fundraising goals for the past two years, and should show a surplus of more than $200,000 in its accounts. KPFK has also generated surpluses in the past. But these funds are now being misappropriated by Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash and the Pacifica Board leadership. Wash has reportedly ordered KPFA to undertake an immediate on-air fundraising drive, and has threatened to send in scab broadcasters to do on-air fundraising should KPFA staff refuse. At KPFK, the fund drive will reportedly begin in November, when its transmitter is repaired. "Why should listeners donate more money to KPFA, or any Pacifica station, if the money goes directly to Pacifica national executives who then misuse it?" asked Bernard White, the former program director of Pacifica station WBAI and now a Pacifica Campaign staffer. According to IRS Form 990, Los Angeles station manager Mark Schubb's salary shot up from $56,000 in 1999 to nearly $72,000 in 2000. Chief financial officer Sandra Rosas's salary hit $75,000 in 2000, up from $58,000 the year before. (Rosas has since left the network). And the salary of WPFW General Manager Bessie Wash, who was installed as Pacifica's Executive Director in March 1999, rose from $55,000 to nearly $75,000 in 2000. The salary increases came as the very same Pacifica's executives steered the network into what The Los Angeles Times has called "chaos," marked by wholesale firings and bannings, union-busting, censorship, and even the shutdown of Pacifica station KPFA in Berkeley for three weeks in the summer of 1999. In December 2000, Pacifica executives launched the "Christmas Coup" at WBAI in New York City, changing all the locks overnight, bringing in security guards, and firing and banning more than 24 long-time producers and volunteers. As a result, WBAI's audience ratings have dropped dramatically and so has its on-air fundraising. WBAI used to the largest fundraiser in the network, bringing in anywhere between $800,000 and a one million dollars per drive. But in 2001, its drives have brought no more than $300,000-$400,000, according to staff at the station. With the crisis, expenses at Pacifica's bloated national bureaucracy in Washington, DC, have skyrocketed. The national office spent some $3 million out of a total budget of $10.8 million in FY2000, roughly the same budget as Pacifica's then largest station, WBAI in New York City. These expenses are expected to have sharply increased over the past year. This summer, the network fired its old lead law firm and hired some of the most expensive and influential Beltway consultants and lawyers. These include President Clinton's impeachment trial lawyer, Greg Craig of Williams & Connolly, and the PR firm of Westhill Partners, whose clients have included tobacco giants and alleged war criminals. Figures for Pacifica FY2001, which just ended in September, have not yet been released. ********************* The Pacifica Campaign is a grass-roots organization representing listeners and staff alike, fighting to preserve Pacifica's 50-year tradition of progressive, community-based radio. For more info go to: http://www.pacificacampaign.org Pacifica Campaign 51 MacDougal St., #80 New York, NY 10012 (646) 230-9588 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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THE OTHER AMERICA WELCOMES
THE OTHER AFGHANISTAN
AN EVENING OF INTERNATIONAL
SOLIDARITY WITH RAWA --
the Revolutionary Association
of the Women of Afghanistan
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Date: Sunday, October 28, 2001
Time: 6:30-8:30 p.m. (Eastern Standard Time begins that day)
Place: Judson Memorial Church
55 Washington Square South
(between Thompson and
Sullivan Streets), Manhattan
The meeting is free and open
to the public, but no cameras
and no news media will be
allowed. Seating is limited.
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Must we choose a "lesser evil" -- the terrorist attacks of September 11
or
the U.S. government's war on Afghanistan? Or is it possible to turn a
different vision of the future into a reality -- a future of freedom,
human
dignity, cooperation, and genuine safety? Who are our allies in helping
to
realize this vision?
Come listen to and speak with TAMEENA FARYAL, representative of RAWA,
the
Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan.
RAWA is an independent, all-volunteer, non-violent organization that
calls
for multilateral disarmament and the establishment of a secular
democracy in
Afghanistan, where women may once again participate fully in public
life.
Since 1977, the women of RAWA have stood up to all native and foreigner
oppressors with courage and principle. They opposed the Russian
occupation
of Afghanistan and today they oppose all Islamic fundamentalist forces,
including both the Taliban and those in the Northern Alliance.
On September 14, RAWA condemned the September 11 attacks as a barbaric
act
of violence and terror; opposed a U.S. military attack that would kill
thousands of innocent Afghans for the crimes committed by the Taliban
and
Osama; and expressed its sincere hope that the great American people can
*differentiate* between the people of Afghanistan and a handful of
fundamentalist terrorists.
While the Taliban have outlawed education for women beyond the second
grade,
and deny them the few social services that exist in Afghanistan, RAWA
secretly -- and under the threat of death -- provides schooling for
girls
and boys, as well as medical care and adult education for women. In
neighboring Pakistan, it provides Afghan refugees with aid, runs
orphanages,
and sponsors income-generating projects.
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PROGRAM OF THE OCTOBER 28 MEETING
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Welcome (6:30-6:40)
Anne Jaclard
News and Letters Committees
(Marxist-Humanists)
Introduction (6:40-6:50)
TBA
Women for Afghan Women
MAIN ADDRESS (6:50-7:40)
TAHMEENA FARYAL
Representative of RAWA
(Revolutionary Association of
the Women of Afghanistan)
Open Discussion,
Questions and Answers (7:40-8:30)
The meeting is organized by the New York Local of News and Letters
Committees, www.newsandletters.org; nandl@igc.org. For more
information, or
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Anjoman Azadi (Iranian Marxist-Humanists in exile)
Brecht Forum
Education Committee of the NY Not in Our Name
anti-war coalition
FED-UP (Federation for URPE Pluralism)
Hegel class of Brecht Forum
NY News and Letters Committee (Marxist-Humanists)
NY Transfer News
NOW - NYC (National Organization for Women)
Theater of the Oppressed Laboratory
WILPF NY Metro (Womens International League for
Peace & Freedom)
Women for Afghan Women
Women in Black - NY
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The influence of national politics on Newark, NJ engage in a discussion on important political and social events impacting the local and international political structure moderated by Genique Floufnoy Discussion Topics Include: the world trade center tradegy, the intenational conference on racism, America's new war Panelists Include: William Payne, Donald Payne, Ras Baraka Special Performance By: the Last Poets october 24, today the masonic temple 188 irvine turner blvd admission free for ride from new brunswick area contact joe 729.0390 before 6:00pm sorry if this info is late reaching you... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Plea deal near for accused troopers
10/24/01
BY KATHY BARRETT CARTER
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
Two white state troopers whose shooting of three
unarmed minority men during a New Jersey Turnpike traffic stop three years
ago sparked a national debate about racial profiling are in the final stages
of working out a plea deal that would spare them prison, according to
sources familiar with the negotiations.
Troopers James Kenna and John Hogan and state
prosecutors are close to hammering out a plea bargain that would allow them
to plead guilty to misconduct and making false statements to law enforcement
officers investigating the April 23, 1998 Turnpike shooting.
The deal requires the troopers, who were suspended
after they were indicted, to forfeit their jobs and admit they were engaged
in racial profiling. In exchange, an attempted murder charge against Kenna
and aggravated assault charges against both troopers would be dropped, and
prosecutors would recommend to the judge that they receive probation instead
of jail time.
According to the sources, the only sticking point is
getting federal prosecutors in Washington to agree not to bring new charges
against the two once the state charges are settled.
Burlington County Assistant Prosecutor James Gerrow,
the special prosecutor who has handled the case, said he never comments on
ongoing plea negotiations. Defense lawyer Robert Galantucci, Hogan's lawyer,
was unavailable for comment yesterday and Jack Arseneault, Kenna's lawyer,
declined to comment on the negotiations.
On April 23, 1998, Hogan and Kenna fired 11 shots into
a van they had stopped on the Turnpike in Washington Township, Mercer
County. The troopers said they opened fire when the vehicle began to move
toward them. Three of the four unarmed minority men inside the van were
wounded.
In the aftermath of the shootings the state admitted
that troopers unconstitutionally targeted minorities for roadside stops and
searches, and agreed to federally supervised reforms to end the practice. In
addition, the superintendent of the State Police was replaced, and reforms
in hiring and training state troopers were enacted. The fallout continued
this spring when an unsuccessful effort was launched to impeach state
Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero, who was state attorney general at the
time of the shootings.
Hogan is charged with aggravated assault; Kenna is
charged with attempted murder and aggravated assault. In February, the state
agreed to pay $12.9 million to settle a civil suit filed by the four
occupants, who were traveling to North Carolina for a basketball tryout.
Both troopers also face separate charges alleging that
they conducted illegal searches of motorists' cars and falsely reported the
race of more than a dozen motorists they stopped on the Turnpike.
The two cases stalled last year. Superior Court Judge
Andrew Smithson threw out the indictment, excoriating prosecutors for
turning Hogan and Kenna into what he called poster boys for racial
profiling. An appeals court, however, overturned Smithson's decision, and
the case landed in the hands of Superior Court Judge Charles Delehey.
Delehey urged a plea agreement and set an Oct. 15
deadline for pretrial motions in the falsification case. But sometime after
the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, state prosecutors and defense lawyers asked
to postpone the Oct. 15 deadline and began to quietly work out a deal.
Sources familiar with the negotiations say prosecutors
were uneasy about prosecuting two troopers, always difficult to convict, at
a time when the entire nation seems to be rallying behind law enforcement.
If the two sides do not finalize a plea deal, the judge
has imposed a Nov. 4 deadline on defense attorneys to file pretrial motions.
The attempted murder charge carried a potential 20-year
prison sentence for Kenna. Both troopers face up to five to 10 years for the
aggravated assault charge, and another five to 10 years for falsifying the
race of motorists they pulled over.
Hogan and Kenna have been suspended without pay since
May 1999, when they were first indicted on the falsification charges.
Wayne Greenfeder, the attorney who represented Rayshawn
Brown, one of the men shot in the van, said last night that he was not privy
to all the evidence and information available to prosecutors, but that if
they wanted to plea bargain, it is probably for the best.
"We have a lot of confidence in James Gerrow. If that's
the way he wants to work it out, that's fine. They (Hogan and Kenna) are
pleading guilty. They are admitting what they did was wrong," Greenfeder
said.
Without a plea agreement, Greenfeder said, the case
could drag on for many more years. Referring to Brown and the other three
young men injured in the shooting, Greenfeder said, "I'm happy these kids
don't have to relive this anymore."
Kathy Barrett Carter covers legal issues. She may be
reached at (609) 989-0254 or kcarter@...
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coming from the person who fails to win over this campus. in fact you admit your own candidate cannot win and that your plan is to spoil this election for mcgreevey, how does this agenda serve the people? for coleman to waste the resources available that could WIN local campaigns is a step backwards. nadir snuggles up with bush2 and now NJ greens would welcome schundler, you cannot claim to represent the people higbee - neither can your boy fortunato. a progressive third party must organize in campaigns that break down in our communities the people v. imperialism. what is the people of newark's relationship to prudential? what is J&J's relationship to the city of new brunswick? focus locally and win! newark city council Ras Baraka May2002 - new brunswick mayor, elected school board, 2 city council seats Nov2002. joesmith >From: WHCOON@... >To: can_bush@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [RUGreens] Re: RU defeats Republicans >Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:14:19 EDT > >Joesph Smith, go awayl Get off this listerve right now. A perosn who has >again and again declared on the Greens should not be here. I am tired of >your subversion. Get off this listserve! > > ~Ray Higbee > > NJ Campus Greens _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is forwarding this message out in solidarity with the struggle to free our brother Mumia Abu Jamal. Please read and forward out. ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _______________________________________________________________ ANNOUNCING: AN INTERNATIONAL DAY OF SUPPORT TO FREE MUMIA Date: Saturday, December 8th. Everyone who can is being asked to come to Philadelphia on that date. The action is projected to start at noon and include a march through the Black community, ending in a Black church. Further details will be forthcoming. Make plans to join us in Philadelphia on December 8, even as we prepare for emergency actions after any decision by state court judge Pamela Dembe on the question of reopening Mumia's state appeal. We have no way of knowing when Dembe will announce her ruling, and we cannot simply stand by and wait for it to happen. We must continue to focus public attention on Mumia's case. A SPECIAL APPEAL IS MADE AT THIS TIME TO ANTIWAR COMMITTEES AND COALITIONS NOT TO SCHEDULE CONFLICTING EVENTS ON DECEMBER 8 SO FOLKS CAN COME TO PHILADELPHIA TO SUPPORT MUMIA. Please pass the word to antiwar organizers in your area. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
This author's background information is very useful: Unintended Consequences John Tirman, AlterNet October 24, 2001 All wars have unintended consequences. No matter how cautious generals and political leaders are, war sets in motion waves of change that can alter the currents of history. More often, generals and political leaders are not troubled by long-term side effects; they are sharply focused on achieving a victory and war's aims. The result is that the unseen and unintended occur, at times as a bitter riptide which overwhelms the original rationales for engaging in armed combat. This unpredictable cycle of action and reaction has thwarted U.S. policy in southwestern Asia for 50 years. It began with attempts to contain the Soviet Union and control the oil-rich fields of the Persian Gulf, and continues today in the popular assault in Afghanistan to destroy the al-Qa'ida terrorist network. In that half century, nearly every major initiative led to an unexpected and sometimes catastrophic reaction, for which new military remedies were devised, only again to stir unforeseen problems. The cycle, regrettably, may be repeating again. The half-century history begins with CIA intrigue in Iran. The original spigot of Middle Eastern oil, Iran was long dominated by Britain and its oil company, British Petroleum. During World War II, strongman Reza Kahn, a Nazi sympathizer, was deposed by the British in favor of his son, Reza Shah, who in turn was shunted aside by the increasingly assertive parliament, the Majlis. In 1951, the Majlis elected as premier Mohammed Mossedegh, a nationalist reformer, who quickly sought control over Iran's oil wealth. The British, aghast at seeing 50 percent of BP's stake in Iran nationalized, sought his ouster, which the CIA provided in 1953. The Shah was reinstated and ruled with an iron fist, enabled by lavish American military aid. The overthrow of Mossedegh remains a bitter memory for Iranians, and for Muslims more widely. While he was mainly a secular nationalist, even Islamic militants bewail his fate as another instance of Western interference and violence. In the years of the Shah's rule, many of the beleaguered reformers gravitated toward the ulama, the clerical class, who were relatively independent of the regime. So U.S. policy, which targeted the left as possible Soviet sympathizers or threats to oil interests, had the unintended effect of strengthening the political power and sophistication of the ulama. By the 1970s, the Shah had become a self-styled regional power, flush with an unfettered flow of weaponry from the United States. Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy, neither a wallflower when it came to arming allies against perceived Soviet expansionism, had bluntly dismissed the Shah's pleas for military supremacy, but President Nixon embraced the Shah without restraint. Not only were the newest jet fighters and other advanced weaponry made available, but endless commercial ties were created, bringing thousands of Americans to Teheran. In 1971, the Shah's oil minister launched a cascade of price increases that rocked the American economy for nearly a decade, but it was American guns and products that the ever-richer Shah and his cohort really sought. A widely perceived decadence eroded whatever support the regime maintained, and by the late 1970s, the Shah was struggling against the now-familiar Muslim "street" that detested the Westernized elite and resented their fabulous oil riches in the midst of poverty. In 1979, the Shah abdicated and left Iran in a stew of disarray. It was only a matter of months before the Islamic Revolution came to full flower. The Devastating Aftermath Apart from the war in Vietnam, where millions died, the U.S. role in imposing and sustaining the Shah in Iran is perhaps the most invidious episode in America's foreign policy. The consequences are colossal, and malignancies continue to appear. Among the first of these was the change in Soviet policy toward the region, and specifically in Afghanistan. The Soviets had meddled in Afghanistan for years, supporting its on-again, off-again communist party. A mildly pro-Soviet regime in Kabul was under intense pressure from Islamic radicals in the late 1970s, however, and Moscow kept a wary eye on the chaotic events in neighboring Iran. As Islamic militancy gained in the post-Shah governments in Teheran, the Kabul regime became less and less tenable. In the Kremlin, the Soviet leadership opposed intervention until the Afghan regime was in complete turmoil. A high-level Russian, Georgy Kornienko, notes it was Defense Minister D.F. Ustinov who finally convinced the others to intervene: "The push to change his former point of view," he recalls in a memoir, "came from the stationing of American military ships in the Persian Gulf in the fall of 1979, and the incoming information about preparations for a possible American invasion of Iran, which threatened to cardinally change the military-strategic situation in the region to the detriment of the interests of the Soviet Union. If the United States can allow itself such things tens of thousands of kilometers away from their territory in the immediate proximity from the USSR borders, why then should we be afraid to defend our positions in the neighboring Afghanistan? -- this was approximately Ustinov's reasoning." Politburo minutes from the entire previous year, now available, make clear the Soviet leaders' view that the Islamic militants were responsible for major attacks on government forces in Herat and elsewhere, and posed a threat, particularly with the active aid of the new Khomeini regime in Iran. The USSR, after all, included five Central Asia republics that were predominantly Muslim and bordered both Afghanistan and Iran. So the Shah's decades-long brutality gave rise to a broad Islamic movement in the region that, once in power in Teheran, not only alarmed Washington but also worried the much nearer Moscow. The U.S. response to the collapse of the Shah, the triumph of Khomeini, and the December 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was to be played out tragically over the coming dozen years. Beginning with the Carter administration in the summer of 1979 -- months before the Soviets invaded -- the CIA provided arms and training to the Afghan opposition, the now infamous mujaheddin, first to provoke the Soviets to ill-considered action (as Carter advisor Zbigniew Bzrezinski has since revealed), and, after the December 1979 invasion, to make the Soviet stay in Afghanistan as inhospitable as possible. The large flow of arms and high-tech weapons like shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles did not come until 1986, by which time the Soviet leadership was firmly committed to departure. But a steady supply of Chinese-made AK-47s and Soviet-made weapons sent via Egypt provided the Islamic rebels with ample firepower to cripple the Soviets' aims in Afghanistan. It was, at the time, heralded as the wondrous victory of the "Reagan Doctrine," the strategy to arm "freedom fighters" against Soviet-leaning regimes in places like Angola and Nicaragua. In all its venues and applications, the Reagan Doctrine had no qualms about the human costs of fomenting warfare, and most important for the present predicament, had no post-conflict strategy. The wages of war were high for all. Angola is still in a civil war more than 20 years later, with the Reagan-backed Savimbi fueling a self-aggrandizing conflict. Nicaragua is devastated, impoverished; the Contras, who battled the Sandinista regime, engaged in a drug trade that now swamps the region. So, too, with Afghanistan: the Soviets left in 1989, defeated, but their departure also left Afghanistan a political minefield (to go along with the 10 million real land mines left by both sides in the war). Warlords battled with each other for nearly a decade until the most extreme faction, the Taliban, gained ascendency in the late 1990s and provided the home to the terrorists the United States now seeks to rout. In the meantime, the 3 million AK-47s sent to the mujaheddin have been located as far away as Liberia and Mozambique, the fodder for other wars and misery. Professor Fred Halliday of the London School of Economics wrote at the end of the 1980s: "The most striking feature of the Reagan Doctrine was the way in which Washington itself came to be a promoter and organizer of terrorist actions. The mujaheddin in Afghanistan, UNITA in Angola and the Nicaraguan Contras were all responsible for abominable actions in their pursuit of "freedom" -- massacring civilians, torturing and raping captives, destroying schools, hospitals and economic installations, killing and mutilating prisoners ... Reagan was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people through terrorism." At about the same time the Afghan resistance was being organized with U.S. aid, the Iraq regime of Saddam Hussein launched an attack on Iran to gain the oil fields on the gulf. This unprovoked act of war followed a period of quiet rapprochement with Washington (Bzrezinski again), and throughout the ensuing eight years of carnage -- in which one million people died -- the U.S. government increasingly helped Iraq, supplying it with more than $5 billion in financial credits, intelligence data, heavy equipment like trucks and political respectability. In most estimates, the U.S. "tilt" toward Baghdad was indispensable in saving Saddam from defeat. The reason for the "tilt" was to frustrate the Islamic radicals in Teheran. This counter-Khomeini strategy extended beyond Iraq to countries like Turkey (where the U.S. approved a military coup in 1980 and suppression of Kurds, resulting in a civil war that has taken 30,000 lives) and Saudi Arabia (the keystone of U.S. oil policy, which led the U.S. to cast a blind eye on Saudi corruption and human-rights abuses). But Iraq, during the 1980s, was the centerpiece of this gambit. After the catastrophic war of 1980-88, the new president, George Bush, embraced a policy of accommodation with Iraq. Within a few months of taking office, National Security Directive (NSD) 26 set the policy: "Access to Persian Gulf oil and the security of key friendly states in the area" were the two rationales of a strategy that would "pursue, and seek to facilitate, opportunities for U.S. firms to participate in the reconstruction of the Iraqi economy ... Also, as a means of developing access and influence with the Iraqi defense establishment, the United States should consider sales of non-lethal forms of military assistance." Said a senior official of NSD 26: "The concern over Iranian fundamentalism was a given." The Reagan-Bush accommodationist policy toward Iraq meant that Saddam received only a slap on the wrist or the murder, with chemical weapons, of 5,000 Kurds in the north at the end of the war with Iran. But when Iraq occupied Kuwait in August 1990, the tilt fell over. The anti-Iran strategy, itself a response to the ruinous policy of supporting the Shah, now had unavoidable consequences: the long and devastating war in Afghanistan; intensified bloodshed in the Iran-Iraq war; the Kurdish massacres in Turkey and Iraq; an acceleration of Islamic militancy in Pakistan and civil war in Kashmir; and the subjugation of Kuwait and the threat to oil fields of Saudi Arabia. It has had other corollary effects, such as a tolerance of Syrian misdeeds, as well as devotion to the perversely corrupt and fragile House of Saud, as Seymour Hersh so chillingly reports in the Oct. 22 issue of the New Yorker. One must ask, in the wake of such an astounding set of catastrophes, if leaving Khomeini's Iran alone after 1980 would not have been less devastating in human terms, or whether Soviet "hegemony" over Afghanistan would not have been far better for Afghans, than 20 years of war, displacement and impoverishment. The Next Catastrophe? What will be next in this series of haunting mistakes? If this 50-year history teaches us anything, it is that aggressive military actions surely will earn a violent reaction, and that the pattern consistently displays three characteristics: large-scale human misery; the "involvement" of neighboring countries; and the amplification of militant Islamic sentiment around the world. In just a matter of weeks, all characteristics are now visible in the "war on terrorism." While the responsibility for hundreds of thousands of starving or displaced Afghans cannot directly be laid at the feet of President Bush, the U.S. bombing campaign is the proximate cause. Panicky refugee flows are beginning to swell; on Oct. 19, the responsible U.N. agency said there are now refugees in the thousands and that conditions on the border with Pakistan are "chaotic." This steady stream of hungry and homeless is likely to enlarge if the bombing continues, civil war worsens or on-the-ground U.S. action escalates. By mid-November, food supplies will be harder to convey to "our" Afghans as winter sets in; shelter is also a desperate need. Some truly horrifying predictions of freezing and starvation have been aired -- up to one million -- which is improbable, but even thousands would be a sad ordeal. The refugee situation is more complex, because it is not only a continuing misery for millions (already 3.5 million Afghans live in either Pakistan or Iran, a vast number in squalor), but because it strains the host communities, and is an incubator for militancy and violence. The 900,000 internally displaced Afghans will get far less international attention, even though their material circumstances may be desperate and their political vulnerability perilous. In the idiom of international relations, the most worrisome consequence is the perilous state of Pakistan. Coerced to cooperate with the United States, the military government is risking a revolt from below. Tensions with India are escalating over terrorist attacks in Kashmir, orchestrated perhaps by the same Pakistani military establishment we are now utilizing to attack Afghanistan. The worries about collapse or gradual disintegration of secular rule in Pakistan are punctuated by its possession of nuclear weapons. It is conceivable that within a few years the same sort of criminals who attacked the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 will have weapons of considerably greater power than four commercial jets. If one is comforted by the denigration of such scenarios by American officials, recall that they are the same group that engineered the accommodationist policy toward Iraq and the embrace of the mujaheddin. The eventual takeover of Islamabad by politically noxious "Islamicists" is a near certain, if the war escalates or is prolonged, or if an equally dangerous clique gains control in Kabul. It is difficult to see how Pakistan can readily stabilize under circumstances that have nearly come to this fruition as of mid-October. The refugee flows and the anti-American sentiment among even moderate Muslims in the region also may destabilize Iran. The advances of moderation via civil society and the two electoral victories of President Khatemi could be reversed as a result of the war in Afghanistan and the American right wing's demands to antagonize Teheran as a "sponsor" of terrorism, along with the Taliban and Saddam. Internal political struggles in Iran were slowly being won by the forces of civility and democracy, but the "war on terrorism" may soon claim them as victims. The calls to mount a campaign against Saddam, which is supported by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and the pundits at the Washington Post, is nearly beyond the pale of predictability if the administration is foolish enough to try it. Such a move, which would require a colossal military effort, would stir the Muslim street to threaten not only Pakistan and Iran, but Saudi Arabia and possibly other countries. These episodes of unrest in the region always reveal the decrepit state of the Saudi royal family, its immense debt from high living and corruption and the devil's bargain the U.S. has struck to preserve control of oil. There have been sizable, bloody riots even as far away as Nigeria and Indonesia. The "war of terrorism," now conducted mainly on Afghan soil, is enough to stir these anti-American sentiments, although perhaps a short and precise military campaign is necessary and we will simply have to cope with the fallout. But a long bombing campaign, a lengthy American search-and-destroy mission in the Afghan countryside, a bloody assault on the Taliban and siege of Kabul -- these unwarranted tactics, coupled with a refugee crisis, could inflame the tinderbox of Muslim sentiments. Invading Iraq would then only confirm their worst suspicions, that is, that Washington is intent upon destroying not just terrorists, but regimes in Muslim societies. The roots of Muslim rage are not well understood, though surely the history of American (and, it must be said, British and French) actions in the region stretching from Algeria to Pakistan is a source. Justified or not, Muslim grievances center on the perception that America wields its power carelessly without a thought for the value of Muslim lives, whether Palestinians in the desperate refugee camps, Iraqis gunned down in the "turkey shoot" of Desert Storm, Kurds manipulated by one U.S. government after another or the millions who endure the savage rule of despots propped up by Washington. The ravages of globalized capitalism, while a more indirect burden, are also at work, because it is a system that, intentionally or not, undermines traditional ways of life, while failing to provide the satisfactions of modernity to any but a very few. If the search and seizure of bin Laden is not accomplished very quickly, and with unambiguous evidence of his guilt, he will become -- if he hasn't already -- a legend to tens of millions and a model for further action against the West. Steps Toward a Different Strategy The goal of neutralizing or eliminating bin Laden and the al-Qa'ida network is laudable. Critics of American foreign policy should not mistake this network for folk heroes along the lines of Che Guevara or Franz Fanon. Al-Qa'ida is promoting a different order altogether, one that is violent at its core, not only in its complete rejection of pluralism and openness in Muslim societies, but in its repression of women and others. It is a dangerous and reactionary ideology in all respects. Christopher Hitchens has labeled it a form of fascism, which is not historically accurate, but the emotional meaning is resonant. So how should the United States and its European allies deal with this danger? A detailed strategy is not something most of us are prepared to put forward, but some criteria are comprehensible. The first is to see this form of terrorism as acts of criminals rather than acts of warriors. (Hendrick Hertzberg in the New Yorker made this useful contrast right after the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that it ennobles the hijackers to call this a war; they are criminals.) Law enforcement, enhanced by the full throttle of intelligence services -- including cooperation with allies -- is the most likely way to foil al-Qa'ida over the long haul. Aggressive investigations, detainment of plausible suspects, freezing financial assets and the like keep terrorists on the move, harassed and disrupted. Counter-communications strategies and pressure on thugs like the Saudi princes who fund al-Qa'ida will further immobilize them. This does mean a very long effort, stretching out over years; it is, in fact, one that has already been underway for years, but devalued and made inept by successive American presidents. A "law enforcement plus" strategy does involve some diplomatic resources and military actions that go beyond, for example, the longtime struggle against the mafia. One should not underestimate the disruptive power of killing bin Laden, if it can be quickly administered. But the longer term strategy is essentially one of old-fashioned techniques that require constant vigilance, cooperation across many borders and respect for law and its institutions, including an international criminal, to bring the terrorists to justice. At the same time, coping with underlying causes of this terrorism and American vulnerabilities must be a priority. Here the Bush administration is especially weak or dissembling. The control of oil remains the linchpin of U.S. security policy in the region, and, indeed, the immediate reason for bin Laden's rage is the stationing of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia since Desert Shield began in August 1990. American officials and opinion elites insist that we are there to protect our "access" to oil, but everyone in the world has access to oil; it's control over oil, and particularly the pricing of oil, which are at stake. There has been no energy policy for years, and the Bush energy proposals are not addressing the problem of gulf oil dependency at all. In part this is because American companies that do business there are close to the Bush administration (Halliburton, Dick Cheney's last employer, is one such firm), but it is also because to devise and implement an effective national strategy to reduce dependency on oil would require an enormous leap in fuel efficiency standards, a BTU tax, and a sharp increase in use of conservation and other fuels (possibly including nuclear energy). These measures have been so devalued by conventional wisdom and resisted by pampered consumers they are simply unpalatable. Sacrifices may go as far as one-hour waits at airport security lines, but not to using a 75-mile-per-gallon small car or paying for big improvements in mass transit. The problem of Muslim "rage" and the like is far more complex, of course, but certainly there are steps that can be taken. It is commonplace nowadays to hear that we don't explain ourselves well to the Muslim world, that we are represented mainly by MTV and "Melrose Place" (occasionally it's also acknowledged that it was a bad idea to decimate the foreign service and the U.S. Information Agency). While this view has some merit, it misses a much larger point: it's not just that we must tell our story better, we must begin to listen to what the concerns of the Muslim world actually are. This doesn't mean tuning in to the cacophony of the "street"; an enormous number of Western-oriented Muslim intellectuals are disenchanted with U.S. policies and can eloquently articulate the various critiques. That they have little sympathy for the U.S., despite Sept. 11, and see only further alienation as a result of the military assaults on Afghanistan, is alarming. In the broad U.S. political culture, we are not listening to such critiques, which is what is often meant by American arrogance: what we have to tell others is more important than what others have to tell us. These kinds of approaches to the politics and security challenges of southwestern Asia and north Africa are just that -- steps in what should be a much richer and complex national debate. That so many in the political and opinion establishment have resisted and even denounced such notions is a distressing sign of how uphill such steps will be. If we do care to absorb the lessons of the last 50 years in that region, however, we can do so only by engaging the history of policy failures (which beset all great powers) as well as the glory of the American dream. So much of that history is one of tragic and even catastrophic consequences, most of them unforeseen and unintended. We need now -- immediately -- to consider and act on those lessons both to honor the dead of Sept. 11 and to prevent more tragedy in the future. John Tirman is program director at the Social Science Research Council, and author of "Spoils of War: The Human Cost of America's Arms Trade." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS POST OFFICE BOX 225O5 NEWARK, NEW JERSEY 07101-2505 Telephone: (973) 801-0001 Internet: www.njpop.org PRESS ADVISORY OCTOBER 20, 2001 - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: LAWRENCE HAMM (973) 801-0001 POP WILL MARCH FOR FAISON AND ALL VICTIMS OF POLICE BRUTALITY AND RACIAL PROFILING The People's Organization For Progress will hold a "March For Justice For Earl Faison And All Victims Of Police Brutality And Racial Profiling" on Saturday, October 27, 2001. The march will begin at 12:30 p.m. and will start at the old police headquarters where Faison died, 593 Lincoln Avenue (corner of Lincoln & Tremont Avenues) in Orange, New Jersey. The march will proceed through the cities of Orange, East Orange, Irvington, and end at the Rodino Federal Building, 970 Broad Street in Newark. In December, a jury found five Orange, New Jersey police officers guilty of conspiracy and three of them also guilty of civil rights violations in connection with the beating and torture of police brutality victim Earl Faison. In May, U. S. district court judge John Lifland overturned thejury's guilty verdict and dismissed the conspiracy conviction against of those five officers. An appeal of that decision has been filed by the U. S. Attorney's Office in New Jersey. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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***KIMAKO'S BLUES PEOPLE 808 S.10 ST. NEWARK***
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Sat Oct 27
Homage to Trane and Monk
8pm
Open Discussion: "Art, Terror,
& Revolution"
Open Mic - Word/Music Djeli ya
Session - Bring work on Trane,
Monk, Art, Terror & Revolution
Admission 7$laves Collation
included
peoples will be leaving New Brunswick 7pm
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In a message dated 10/26/01 12:04:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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<< Subj: [soa] Reparations Mobilization Conference is Growing!
Date: 10/26/01 12:04:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: ebontek@... (Sam Anderson)
To:
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Sistas + Brothas!,
The Reparations Mobilization Coalition is looking forward to
seeing you at this historic conference! Please visit our website
for pre-registration and other details:
<www.murchisoncenter.org/reparations>.
We are expecting hundreds of Brothas + Sistas to participate
in this WORKING conference to build the necessary grassroots
education and mobilizing efforts to insure the realization of
Reparations not only within the US but thruout the African Diaspora.
In Struggle,
Sam Anderson
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The Reparations Education & Mobilization Conference Program
Friday Nov 2 @ City College- 139th St. + Convent Ave.
3 to 6pm- The Historical Legacy of Slavery, the Slave Trade
& Black Resistance
This workshop will deal with how we popularize and teach about
the historical basis for the demands for reparations. Great Hall
Recital Room
Prof. Martia Goodson- Baruch College
Sam Anderson- Author- Black Holocaust For Beginners
Prof. Everet Green- Philosophy Born Of Struggle Association
In The Great Hall...
6 to 7pm- Cultural/Spirtual Performance depicting the
multigenerational
struggles for Reparations... and a tribute to our ancestors who
fought, strived, loved and survived enslavement and its repressive
aftermath. “The Apology”- by Richard Kenyatta: from the Maafa
Suite of The Drama Ministry of St. Paul Community Baptist Church
(Brooklyn, NY).
Askia Toure/ HipHop Poets .
7 to 10pm- Opening Plenary: Reparations History in the Making:
Reportback from the UN World Conference Against Racism
Prof. Ray Winbush- Race Relations Institute- Fisk University
Attny. Roger Wareham- December 12th Movement
Attny. Joann Watson- NCOBRA
Attny. Muntu Matsimela- African + African Decedents Caucus
Attny. Efia Wangaza- AfricanAmerican Inst. For Policy Studies
+ Planning/MXGM
CCNY Youth Rep
Dennis Brutus- Jubilee 2000 South
Saturday, Nov. 3 at A. Phillip Randolph Hi School
10 to noon- Workshops
Labor & Reparations Mobilization- Lunch Room
Ashaki Binta- Black Workers For Justice, North Carolina
Jim Houghton- Harlem Fightback
Amina Baraka- Newark-based Writer and Labor/Community Activist
Larry Adams- Pres. Mail Handlers, Local 300
Richard F. America- George Washington University
Ron Washington- Black Phone Workers for Justice- NJ
Dennis Serrette- Coalition of Black Trade Unionist
Reparations Mobilization Within Electoral Politics-
Summing up and Outlining the ongoing legislative work for various
kinds of Reparations bills and resolutions to be passed. Auditorium
Charles Barron- Activist Candidate NYC City Councilperson
Ras Baraka- Newark Political Activist Candidate
Assemblyman Roger Green- Brooklyn
Milton McGriff- Philadelphia NCOBRA
Noon - 1pm- Visit Vendors + Lunchtime
1 to 3pm Workshops
Racism As Cultural Genocide-
The Psychological, Spiritual and Physical Impact of Slavery and
White Supremacy Auditorium
Prof. Ray Winbush- Race Relations Institute, Fisk University
Dr. Esmeralda Thornhill- James M. Robinson Chair in Black Canadian
Studies,
Nova Scotia, Canada
Prof. Marimba Ani- Emory University
Dr. Henry McCurtis, MD
Dr. Bill Cross- CUNY Grad
Legal Strategies:
Understanding and Supporting the Legal Work and Research- Lunch
Room
Silis Muhammad- CEO, Lost Found Nation of Islam
Attny. Gilda Sherrod Ali- NCOBRA
Lord Tony Gifford- Member of Parliament + London/Jamaica Barrister
Attny. Deadria Farmer-Paelmann- NYC Legal Researcher
Youth & Reparations Mobilization-
☛ NOTE: At CCNY Student Lounge in NAC Building
CCNY Students
Dave Daniels- The Code- December 12th Movement
Black Nia Force
Malcolm X Grassroots Movement
3pm- 5pm
Prison Industrial Complex, Political Prisoners/ POWs and the
War on Drugs:
The Criminalization of a Race- Lunch Room
Safiyah Bukhari- Former Political Prisoner and Revolutionary
Activist
Pam Africa- MOVE/family + Friends of Mumia Abu Jamal
Churne Lloyd- Friends of Matulu Shakur
Rosa Clemente- Malcolm X Grassroots Movement
Eddie Ellis- Former Political Prisoner and prison reform Activist
3 to 5:30pm- The Globalization of Reparations:
The North-South Struggle- Auditorium
CJ Munford- Canada
Dudley Thompson- Jamaica
Sir Tony Gifford- England
Muntu Matsimela- US
Prof. Asha Samad Matias- CCNY Black Studies
NCOBRA Representative -
December 12th Movement
Dennis Brutus- Jubilee2000- South Africa
Art Serota- South African Reparations Movement
Hector Bermudez- Puerto Rican Reparationist
5:30- 6:30 - Visit Vendors and Dinnertime
In the A. Phillip Randolph Hi School Auditorium...
6:30-7pm- Cultural/Spiritual Presentation-
Vinie Burrows Reparations Monologue & Jessica Care-Moore-
poetry
7 to 10pm- Reparations: A Critical Analysis-
Ideas, concepts, and theories of the Reparations Movement
CJ Munford ◘ Amiri Baraka ◘ Maulana Karenga
◘ Tony Gifford ◘ Dudley Thompson
Sunday Nov 4- 10am to 4pm in the NAC Ballroom @ CCNY
NOTE: this most crucial part of the Conference is open to all
conference attendees
Round Table Discussion:
International Global Strategy For Building The Reparations Education
and Mobilization Movement
Workshop Reportbacks
Strategy & Program
The Barbados Conference- Actions
The Durban Conference- Actions
Organizing Local Tribunals
Creating an International Steering Committee
November 5- Black Solidarity Day African Burial Ground Tribute
Contacts:
Sam Anderson- Medgar Evers College, Center For Law & Social Justice
718.270.6287
or...
Attny. Muntu Matsimela- 914.664.0943 >>
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domenstic violence = terrorism against females
where are our revolutionary discussions about the women's question.
Young women face high abuse risk
10/29/01
BY JENNIFER LOVEN
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- Women in their high school years to their
mid-20s are nearly three times as vulnerable to attack by a husband,
boyfriend or former partner as those in other age groups, a Bureau of
Justice Statistics study shows.
But domestic violence victims between the ages of 35
and 49 are most likely to be killed, the Justice Department said yesterday,
citing statistics from 1999.
Julie Fulcher, director of public policy for the
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, said her group's experience
shows younger women are indeed at higher risk. She said their slightly older
counterparts are probably more likely to die at the hands of a partner
because they are more likely to live with their abusers, leaving them more
exposed to their violence.
"We do know that domestic violence as a pattern of
behavior tends to . . . escalate over time," Fulcher said. "Domestic
violence doesn't generally begin on a first date. It begins with some
controlling behaviors."
There were a total of 791,210 "intimate partner
violence" victims in 1999. Eighty-five percent of the attacks were against
women, including 1,218 murders, 91,470 rapes and sexual assaults, 65,970
robberies, 68,810 aggravated assaults and 444,860 simple assaults, the
report said.
The information on murders came from FBI data, which is
based on reports made to 17,000 police agencies nationwide. All other
statistics were gleaned from interviews with over 650,000 people over age
12, adding data on the larger number of crimes that go unreported.
The report defined "intimates" as current or former
husbands or wives, boyfriends or girlfriends, or same-sex partners.
A little more than half of domestic violence crimes --
against men and women -- between 1993 and 1999 were committed by a current
boyfriend or girlfriend, a third by a spouse and the rest by an ex-spouse.
About 10 percent of domestic crimes against men and 2 percent of domestic
crimes against women were committed by a partner of the same gender, the
report found.
Overall, six women out of 1,000 were victims of
domestic violence in 1999 -- a 41 percent decrease since 1993, mirroring a
nationwide crime drop over the decade.
"But the rate of violence against intimate partners did
not go down as much as other crimes," said Justice statistician Callie
Rennison, the report's author. "It tells me that this is perhaps a more
stubborn problem."
Sixteen out of every 1,000 women between the ages of 16
and 24 were attacked by an intimate in 1999 -- the highest rate of any age
group, the report said.
Eighty-one percent of all female victims faced an
unarmed offender, but half the attacks resulted in injury -- the vast
majority of them minor, the report said.
Victimization rates were similar between racial groups,
except that black women between 20 and 24 years old tended to experience
more attacks than white women.
Women who were separated or divorced also reported
higher rates of violence from partners or ex-partners than those who were
married, widowed or never wed. However, Rennison urged some caution in
interpreting the statistics by marital status, saying married women may be
more unwilling than others to report violent behavior -- or even to
acknowledge it as violent.
Of all murdered women between 35 and 49, 38 percent
were killed by an intimate partner -- more than any other age group. But
Rennison said she was startled to discover the rate for 12- to 15-year-old
girls: A tenth of homicides in that age group were committed by the girls'
boyfriends.
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Why work for McGreevy whose paying only $75, when you can work for Schundler whose paying $85! See kids who hold the financial resources. Vote Schundler, smash communism Joe Kaminski On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, joseph smith wrote: > mcgreevey is paying $75 to work election day > i can help people get set up in New Brunswick or Newark > if you are interested, respond promptly. joe > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with Justice is having our next General Open Meeting this Thursday at 6pm. Please join us in our efforts to build an Anti-War/Anti-racist Movement in the Latin@ communities of New York City. This meeting we will be talking about our upcoming forum and possible Latin@ March to end the war!! Next Meeting: Thursday November 1st, 2001 at 6pm I.S. 164 located on the corner of w164th-w165th and Edgecomb Avenue Take the A,1,9 trains to w168th St. and walk two blocks to Edgecomb Avenue For more information on the Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice please contact LatinCPJ@... or call 718-601-4751 ____________________________________________________________________ The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is a coalition of different organizations, individuals, churches, Leftist groups, and youth groups that have come together to educate, organize, and mobilize the Latino Communities in New York as an effort to support the current Anti-War and Anti-Racist movement. We recognize that this war is racist and an imperialist. We exist as a coalition to address the direct impact that this war is having and going to have in the Latino Community of New York. Already, we have seen that the $40 Billion that is going to finance this war is coming from youth service agencies, GED/Public education programs, Public Assistance Programs, and Public Afterschool/Day care funds. These cuts in the funds allocated to Community Based Organizations and Public Service groups are having a negative effect in the Latin@ community. We have young people being denied the right to receive their educational equivalences, working parents have no place to send their children after school, and working class people are being denied access to public funds to buy food. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice recognizes that the U.S. Military Recruitment drive and Police Academy Recruitment in the Latin@ community has risen by nearly 35%. By taking away educational funds from high schools and GED programs, our youth have no choice but to seek employment in the Armed Services or Police Academy. The Military is recruiting youth from Latin@ working class communities because they see this as an excellent opportunity to fill their ranks with people who will be the first to enter war zones and die. The Police also sees this as an opportunity to gain more recruits to help- oppress social justice and anti-war activists who will be hitting the streets protesting and organizing against the war. Our youth are being turned into soldiers to support American imperialism and Police men to help oppress their own communities. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice also exists to combat the message that the mass media has been promoting since Sept. 11th. This indirect and pro-war message that Arabs and Islam are to blame for the war has manifested itself in Latin@s engaging in acts of violence against Arab youth in the Bronx and Brooklyn. The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with Justice sees these acts of violence as our communities expressing their media-inspired fear, confusion and vicitimization. Therefore, the Coalition will be focusing in on educating our community about the current war crisis, the need for international solidarity and peace among all oppressed peoples. This coalition is also going to address the plight of the many undocumented Latin@s in our communities who have become the victims of increased INS raids that have ended with the brutalization and death of many these hard-working immigrants. This war has become an opportunity to fuel xenophobia and mistrust of immigrant communities. This xenophobia has made the Pro-Amnesty movement for undocumented workers very difficult. Many undocumented people in Latin@ communities have become fearful for their safety and have been forced to live under even worse living conditions then before. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice believes in the need to prioritize in the education and mobilization of the Latin@ community. As a working class people of color community, we are directly impacted by the negative repercussions of this war. We see it as our duty to address these issues in our communities; and do what we can to promote peace and solidarity among all communities. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign has sent these two updates on Mumia Abu Jamal and Sundiata Acoli so that folks can keep updated on what is happening with our African american brother and sister Political prisoners!! FREE MUMIA!! FREE SUNDIATA!! FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 __________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Inquirer, Saturday, October 27, 2001 Judge rejects Abu-Jamal's request to suspend appeal A federal judge has denied a request by lawyers for convicted police killer Mumia Abu-Jamal to suspend the federal appeal of his conviction and death sentence while they try to reopen his appeals in the Pennsylvania courts. U.S. District Judge William H. Yohn Jr., in an order last week, denied the July request by Abu-Jamal's lawyers to suspend his two-year-old federal appeal proceedings while they try to reopen his state post-conviction appeals on the grounds that his original legal team misrepresented him because of conflicts of interest. A corresponding motion to open Abu-Jamal's state court appeal is pending before Common Pleas Court Judge Pamela Pryor Dembe. Abu-Jamal, a former radio commentator and black activist, was convicted of murder and sentenced to death in the Dec. 9, 1981, shooting of Police Officer Daniel Faulkner during an early-morning car stop by Faulkner of Abu-Jamal's brother. Earlier this year Abu-Jamal's new lawyers released a purported confession to the shooting by another man, a self-described hit man. Abu-Jamal's federal appeal is the first stage of his third and final round of appeals to reverse his death sentence. On behalf of the National Office of Refuse & Resist! 305 Madison Ave., Suite 1166 NY, NY 10165 http://www.refuseandresist.org info@... Tel:�� 212.713.5657 _______________________________________________________________________________ WE MUST FIGHT ON FOR SUNDIATA! Dare To Struggle...We Will Win!!! I just got off the phone with Atty. Chris Bergen less than 10 minutes ago. I am copying this communication to my list.� The following is what I understood Atty. Bergen to state regarding his conversation with political prisoner Sundiata Acoli who still remains in segregation/isolation inside the prison. � � "Just in the last week the prison administration has agreed to allow Sundiata to call his Attorney Jill� Elijah.� The prison administration stated that Sundiata and 15 others were rounded up because they were anti government type people and/or they had explosives in their past.� When the others were sent back, Sundiata was kept in segregation.� He was told by the administration that he would be held for a while because he was a member of the Black Panther Party.�� He can not go outside at all, he is constantly confined to his cell.� The prison administration is telling Sundiata that he may be in segregation longer because he/Sundiata got a suspicioius package at the post office and it may be anthrax.� Sundiata states that he is not sick and he is not being physically abused.� He is glad that Fred (Hampton Jr.) is out!� He particularly liked how Fred handled himself while in jail.� That was impressive." � � Attorney Chris Bergen will call Atty. Jill Elijah tomorrow to make sure she got her legal call through today.� I will pass this information on as well.� Much thanks and appreciaton to Atty. Chris Bergen.� I will continue to pursue other Attys. to make legal call to prison as per previous discussion with Anna Standing Deer. � � I spoke by phone prior to sending this e-mail to Sistah Shiriki who is the spokesperson for the Sundiata Acoli campaign.� I asked her to give us direction on how to move.� She will get back with me. � � The utmost respect, love, and appreciation for our courageous Brother/Comrade/Warrior Sundiata Acoli...we must continue to fight until Sundiata gets/until we get.... � � Freedom In Our Lifetime! Akua Njeri _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with Justice is having our next General Open Meeting this Thursday at 6pm.� Please join us in our efforts to build an Anti-War/Anti-racist Movement in the Latin@ communities of New York City.� This meeting we will be talking about our upcoming forum and possible Latin@ March to end the war!! To join our listserve please email: LCPJ-List-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Next Meeting: Thursday November 1st, 2001 at 6pm I.S. 164 located on the corner of w164th-w165th and Edgecomb Avenue Take the A,1,9 trains to w168th St. and walk two blocks to Edgecomb Avenue For more information on the Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice please contact LatinCPJ@... or call 718-601-4751 ____________________________________________________________________ The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is a coalition of different organizations, individuals, churches, Leftist groups, and youth groups that have come together to educate, organize, and mobilize the Latino Communities in New York as an effort to support the current Anti-War and Anti-Racist movement.� We recognize that this war is racist and an imperialist.� We exist as a coalition to address the direct impact that this war is having and going to have in the Latino Community of New York. Already, we have seen that the $40 Billion that is going to finance this war is coming from youth service agencies, GED/Public education programs, Public Assistance Programs, and Public Afterschool/Day care funds.� These cuts in the funds allocated to Community Based Organizations and Public Service groups are having a negative effect in the Latin@ community.� We have young people being denied the right to receive their educational equivalences, working parents have no place to send their children after school, and working class people are being denied access to public funds to buy food. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice recognizes that the U.S. Military Recruitment drive and Police Academy Recruitment in the Latin@ community has risen by nearly 35%.� By taking away educational funds from high schools and GED programs, our youth have no choice but to seek employment in the Armed Services or Police Academy.� The Military is recruiting youth from Latin@ working class communities because they see this as an excellent opportunity to fill their ranks with people who will be the first to enter war zones and die.� The Police also sees this as an opportunity to gain more recruits to help- oppress social justice and anti-war activists who will be hitting the streets protesting and organizing against the war.� Our youth are being turned into soldiers to support American imperialism and Police men to help oppress their own communities. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice also exists to combat the message that the mass media has been promoting since Sept. 11th.� This indirect and pro-war message that Arabs and Islam are to blame for the war has manifested itself in Latin@s engaging in acts of violence against Arab youth in the Bronx and Brooklyn.� The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with Justice sees these acts of violence as our communities expressing their media-inspired fear, confusion and vicitimization.� Therefore, the Coalition will be focusing in on educating our community about the current war crisis, the need for international solidarity and peace among all oppressed peoples. This coalition is also going to address the plight of the many undocumented Latin@s in our communities who have become the victims of increased INS raids that have ended with the brutalization and death of many these hard-working immigrants.� This war has become an opportunity to fuel xenophobia and mistrust of immigrant communities. This xenophobia has made the Pro-Amnesty movement for undocumented workers very difficult.� Many undocumented people in Latin@ communities have become fearful for their safety and have been forced to live under even worse living conditions then before. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice believes in the need to prioritize in the education and mobilization of the Latin@ community. As a working class people of color community, we are directly impacted by the negative repercussions of this war.� We see it as our duty to address these issues in our communities; and do what we can to promote peace and solidarity among all communities. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
(Please take the time to forward this announcement)
New Brunswick Peoples Campaign presents
RAS BARAKA
Newark City Council Candidate May 2002
"REVOLUTIONARY DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE & ELECTORAL POLITICS"
intro: Trevor Phillips
LC Alum - Black Nia Force
opening: Keith Joseph
RU Alum - NB Peoples Campaign
NB city council candidate nov.'00
mc: Joe Smith
UC student - NB Peoples Campaign
poetry: Rain
Rutgers Theater Arts
Thursday November 1 @6:30pm
Paul Robeson Cultural Center
NB Peoples Campaign 2002
UNITE THE MANY DEFEAT THE FEW!
contact joe smith 586.5535 can_bush@...
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign asks all of our supporters to participate in this letter writing campaign and to forward this message out throughout all lists. Help us demand clemency for Fred Hampton Jr.!! FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ___________________________________________________________________________________ From Khalil - > >Comrades here's just a reminder of the fight for clemency that our brother >Fred Hampton Jr. is still fighting for clemency based on his >innocence.� Even though he is out in the field he has yet to become FREE! >Here is a letter to the Governor (the only one who can grant his clemency). >Please sign and include your return addresss.� Please forward any response >you may get to: BLKAGENDA@... , Attn Good Daughter. > >Send it out by fax or mail and pass it on to your mailing lists. > >DARE TO STRUGGLE DARE TO WIN! >uhuru or death >Sha'KMT aka GOOD DAUGHTER > >Governor George Ryan >State of Illinois >207 State House Road >Springfield, IL� 62706� FAX:� 217-524-4049 > >Dear Governor Ryan: > >I am writing you in regards to Fred Hampton Jr. aka Alfred Johnson a >political prisoner released from Statesville Correctional Facility on >September 14, 2001 based on time served and the application of� "good >time." I am requesting that you grant Fred Jr. clemency on the grounds >of� his innocence in relation to the May 12, 1992 charges of committing >arson to� a store� in Chicago.� I am also requesting that you thoroughly >review the entire case and all "so-called" evidence.� In reviewing the case >you will see that there is� isn't any physical evidence of Fred Hampton Jr. >setting fire to the store. Fred Hampton Jr.'s background clearly shows his >dedication to the community and his� pursuits towards improvement of it. > >Fred Jr. has served 8 plus years in numerous state penitentiaries� for >something he did not do. Now that he is released, he is still under strict >parole stipulations.�� Fred Hampton Jr. and his family have been torn apart >enough. I am� requesting that you take all measures to exonerate him of >these false charges.� I urge you to grant clemency based on innocence to >Fred Hampton Jr. > >Thank you for your time and patience in reading this letter. I trust� that >you will take speedy action in ensuring the reinstatement of Fred Jr.'s >rights. > >Respectfully,________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges all supporters of the Puerto Rican
Liberation movement and the movement to get the U.S. navy out of Vieques to
participate in this activity. Forward this far and wide as well.
FREE TITO KAYAK!! LIBERTAD PARA TITO KAYAK!!
The proLibertad Freedom Campaign
ProLibertad@...
www.ProLibertad.org
Bronx 718-601-4751
Manhattan 212-927-9065
New Jersey 201-435-3244
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SUPPORT FOR "TITO KAYAK" (Alberto de Jes�s)
Our brother, was held in solitary confinement for 32 days in New York
by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, in spite of the fact that
Magistrate Michael Dollinger asked that he be transfered back home to
Puerto Rico.
Why was Alberto de Jesus held in solitary?
Why hasn't he been transfered back to Puerto Rico?
Vieques' prisoner of consciousness Alberto De Jes�s Mercado, a.k.a.
Tito Kayak, was held, for more than one month, in solitary
confinement amid abusive conditions in a Federal Jail in Manhattan.
Please join an advocacy campaign in his support taking place on the
1st and 2nd of November.
Please, demand that Alberto De Jes�s be transfered to Puerto Rico as
requested by Magistrate Michael Dollinger.
Call and Fax the following offices during Nov. 1 & 2 from 9am-12 & 1-
5pm.
TALKING POINTS
1. Full Name
2. Occupation
3. State/City and/or organization
4. Please, demand that Alberto De Jes�s be transfered to Puerto Rico
as requested by Magistrate Michael Dollinger. His immediate family
lives in Puerto Rico.
Alberto De Jes�s Mercado BOP # is 19580-069
Please communicate with:
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT
(205) 353-1555
Mr. John Ashcroft
Attorney General
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20530
Please, communicate via the
Civil Rights Division,
Ralph F. Boyd, Jr.
tel: (202) 514-2151
fax: (202) 514-0293
(202) 307-2572
(202) 307-2839
Kathleen M. Hawk Sayer
Director
Federal Bureau of Prisons
320 First Street N.W.
Washington, DC 20534
tel: (202) 307-3198
(202) 307-3250
fax: (202) 514-6878
Mr. Gregory Park
Warden
Metropolitan Detention Center
150 Park Row
N.Y., N.Y. 10007
tel: (212) 240-9656
fax: (212) 417-7673
For more information, please contact Carmen Chazulle at (787) 562-
8552.
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign Is calling on all folks to come out and support this activity. FREE THE MIAMI FIVE!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The proLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _______________________________________________________________ FREE THE MIAMI FIVE! DEBUT NEW YORK CITY EVENT TEACH-IN on NOVEMBER 10th Saturday @ 6 pm St. Mary's Episcopal Church @ 521 W. 126th St. Amsterdam & 126th, St. Mary's Pl, Take the A or D to 125th Suggested donation: $5 (no one turned away for lack of funds) SPONSORED BY NEW YORK CITY FREE THE FIVE COMMITTEE freethefivenyc@..., 212-633-6646, 212-926-5757 Who are the Miami Five? They are five Cubans, who were convicted in June 2001 in US federal court for defending their homeland of Cuba, from terrorists in Miami. After their arrest in September 1998 by the FBI they were placed in solidarity confinement for 17 months. After the trial they were put back into Security Housing Unites in total isolation, where they remain today, awaiting sentencing. The five Cubans were convicted after a politically-charged trial, in which the US government claimed that the five were engaged in espionage against US military bases and threatening "national security." But the Miami Five pointed out vigorously in their defense that they were involved only in monitoring the actions of the Miami-based right-wing terrorist groups. In fact, Cuba has shared information with the US government about dangerous actions planned by the terrorist groups. For more info, see the IFCO/Pastors for Peace website at: www.ifconews.org Jennifer Wager Cuba program co-coordinator IFCO/Pastors for Peace 402 W 145th Street, New York City, NY 10031 212-926-5757; fax: 212-926-5842; email: ifco@...; web: http://www.ifconews.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on all our supporters to take part in this letter writing/fax campaign for Native American Political Prisoner Eddie Hatcher. To learn more about Eddie Hatcher check out the site below. FREE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! FREE EDDIE HATCHER!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.Prolibertad.org bronx 718-601-4751 manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _____________________________________________________________________________________ www.eddiehatcher.org URGENT ALERT! "Eddie is not doing well right now.� Physically or mentally.� He has lost an excessive amount of weight.� He is being singled out, harassed and intimidated daily, so much that he stays in his cell for as many as 22 hours each day. Raleigh, and the DOC contact people on his website need to be notified that there are people out there concerned and watching his fate which is in the hands of North Carolina DOC.� I am truely scared that Eddie will die soon if someone does not intervene....Please stay in touch.� I am trying to do my best since our mother passed in July.� Please help us......" Ginger Ammerman Eddie's sister We an't gonna take this shit! MASSIVE CALL AND FAX JAM BEGINING NOW! here are the targets and demands: Mr. Sid Harkeleroad Superintendent Marion Correctional Institute Marion, NC 28752 828-659-6814 and Mr. Franklin Freeman Governor's Chief of Staff 20301 Mail Service Center Raleigh, NC 27699-0301 919-733-6184 1.Demand to know the current condition and whereabouts of eddie hatcher. 2.Demand an end to eddie� being held under 22 hour lock down. 3.Demand an end to the harassment of eddie by the staff of the prison Mr. Sid Harkeleroad included. 4.Let them know that you will not stop calling or doing other actions untill eddie is free and healthy.The whole world is watching. Other targets for phone and fax actions: Governor Michael F. Easley Office of the Governor 20301 Mail Service CenterRaleigh, NC 27699-0301 Fax: (919)715-3175 or (919)733-2120 Franklin Freeman (Governor Mike Easley's Chief of Staff) 919-733-6184 fax� 919-715-3175 Senator Frank Ballance 919-715-3032 fax 919-856-9686 Assistant U.S. Attorney General Civil Rights Division US Department of Justice10th & Constitution Ave, NW Washington, DC 20530(202) 514-2151 For these targets stress a civil rights investagetion as well as the above demands. WE WILL NOT SIT HERE AND LET OUR FELLOW FIGHTERS BE SENTENCED TO DEATH.PRISON IS ALSO A FORM OF LEAGAL LYNCHING WHEN IT INCORPRATES:HARASSMENT,ISOLATION,and TOURTOURE as in the case of Eddie Hatcher. Please FORWARD this message around the world and please if you can translate it into other languges for more info about eddie hatcher please vist www.eddiehatcher.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... uh huh can_bush@... Suddenly, Americans Trust Uncle Sam November 3, 2001 By ALEXANDER STILLE Since Sept. 11, the country has found a renewed faith in some institutions, but it may not last. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/03/arts/03TRUS.html?ex=1005839392&ei=1&en=33634d9e7d15a45b HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
To the Green Party, c/o Joe F: Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it out, & my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*. Unity & Struggle, Matthew Smith Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct allegations. When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race. Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary greenback$, "progressive"? u&s position is: greens are right. peoples' war on the right. combat liberalism. cs >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: bbz@..., blombard@..., >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@..., >tg347@..., behorne@..., khabirah@..., >1blackmale@..., E_MacBlain@..., Ceettadili@..., >AMAlston1@..., poetas@..., locicero@..., >sztamke@..., krisbas@..., kvt@..., >csevans@..., daverapp@..., kb2zuz@..., >MidsummerVixen@..., DVG716@..., aquataffy4@..., >morguebabe77@..., bgigas@..., Jordel7@..., >Skyblue122@..., elizabethia@..., atupahache@..., >Eman101@..., Amirib@..., HRose16342@..., iacenter@..., >Mkouyate@..., pjustice2000@..., PrimeMinister901@..., >TooTallLa@..., Coolretta@..., MNorales@..., >Meratj@..., Voyageur1234@..., blackjack76@..., >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30 > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F: > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the role >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green >Party, >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted there >was >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader carried >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross >violation >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick echo >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed only >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including Nader >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush family >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic >disaster >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al. about >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a better >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of many >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it out, & >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall his >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the "truest >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*. > >Unity & Struggle, >Matthew Smith > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a >double-digit >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there is >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their conscience and >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor. Jerry >is >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on >"consent >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public education, >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective civilian >review >of police misconduct allegations. > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race. Therefore, >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda. > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now that) ----Original Message Follows---- From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000 "until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary greenback$, "progressive"? u&s position is: greens are right. peoples' war on the right. combat liberalism. cs >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >CC: bbz@..., blombard@..., >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@..., >tg347@..., behorne@..., khabirah@..., >1blackmale@..., E_MacBlain@..., Ceettadili@..., >AMAlston1@..., poetas@..., locicero@..., >sztamke@..., krisbas@..., kvt@..., >csevans@..., daverapp@..., kb2zuz@..., >MidsummerVixen@..., DVG716@..., aquataffy4@..., >morguebabe77@..., bgigas@..., Jordel7@..., >Skyblue122@..., elizabethia@..., atupahache@..., >Eman101@..., Amirib@..., HRose16342@..., iacenter@..., >Mkouyate@..., pjustice2000@..., PrimeMinister901@..., >TooTallLa@..., Coolretta@..., MNorales@..., >Meratj@..., Voyageur1234@..., blackjack76@..., >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30 > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F: > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the role >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green >Party, >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted there >was >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader carried >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross >violation >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick echo >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed only >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including Nader >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush family >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic >disaster >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al. about >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a better >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of many >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it out, & >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall his >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the "truest >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*. > >Unity & Struggle, >Matthew Smith > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a >double-digit >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there is >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their conscience and >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor. Jerry >is >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on >"consent >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public education, >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective civilian >review >of police misconduct allegations. > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race. Therefore, >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda. > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... 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joe asks: what should we do about the world fraud? fraud responds: we should vote for the greens for a better world. warn your children, parents, the fraud lurks... we must fight the opportunist fraud with revolutionary democracy. presently imperialism is stronger than the people and that is why the people are actively defending themselves with their vote to defeat schundler. >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, >"Anti- War Coalition" <antiwarcoalition@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Final US ultimate warning to Iraq >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:40:54 -0500 > >Final US ultimate warning to Iraq >Iraq-USA, Politics, 11/5/2001 > >The Kuwaiti daily al-Seyash issued on Sunday quoted sources at the British >house of commons as saying that the British prime minister Tony Blair asked >the Jordanian King Abdullah II during his visit to Amman to convey a final >warning from the US administration to Iraq on the need of accepting the >return back of the UN inspectors to Baghdad within three weeks, otherwise >the next station of the war against terrorism after Afghanistan will be >Iraq. > >The sources indicated that Iraq was told about the warning through an envoy >in the Jordanian royal court. > >The sources also told the paper about information reported from Moscow that >the Russian foreign minister Igore Ivanov conveyed to the Russian >administration following his meeting with the US secretary of state Colin >Powell about a conviction formed within himself that a British- American >attacks at Baghdad has become very near. > >Source: arabicnews.com > >http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/011105/2001110505.html > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is having its next meeting this Thursday Nov. 8th at 6:30pm at I.S. 164 (w164th St.-w165th St. and Edgecombe Avenue). Take the a,1,9, to w168th St. and Broadway and walk up two blocks. We will be discussing our Educational Forum (Nov. 30th-More info coming later) and the possible New York Latin@ March for Peace. For more info. on the Coalition please call 718-601-4751 Email LatinCPJ@... and Join our list LCPJ-List-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ****Check out our growing Coalition list at the bottom of our Unity Statement**** ______________________________________________________________________ The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is a coalition of different organizations, individuals, churches, Leftist groups, and youth groups that have come together to educate, organize, and mobilize the Latino Communities in New York as an effort to support the current Anti-War and Anti-Racist movement.� We recognize that this war is racist and an imperialist.��We exist as a coalition to address the direct impact that this war is having and going to have in the Latino Community of New York. Already, we have seen that the $40 Billion that is going to finance this war is coming from youth service agencies, GED/Public education programs, Public Assistance Programs, and Public Afterschool/Day care funds.� These cuts in the funds allocated to Community Based Organizations and Public Service groups are having a negative effect in the Latin@ community.� We have young people being denied the right to receive their educational equivalences, working parents have no place to send their children after school, and working class people are being denied access to public funds to buy food. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice recognizes that the U.S. Military Recruitment drive and Police Academy Recruitment in the Latin@ community has risen by nearly 35%.� By taking away educational funds from high schools and GED programs, our youth have no choice but to seek employment in the Armed Services or Police Academy.� The Military is recruiting youth from Latin@ working class communities because they see this as an excellent opportunity to fill their ranks with people who will be the first to enter war zones and die.� The Police also sees this as an opportunity to gain more recruits to help- oppress social justice and anti-war activists who will be hitting the streets protesting and organizing against the war.� Our youth are being turned into soldiers to support American imperialism and Police men to help oppress their own communities. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice also exists to combat the message that the mass media has been promoting since Sept. 11th.� This indirect and pro-war message that Arabs and Islam are to blame for the war has manifested itself in Latin@s engaging in acts of violence against Arab youth in the Bronx and Brooklyn.� The Latin@ Coaltion for Peace with Justice sees these acts of violence as our communities expressing their media-inspired fear, confusion and vicitimization.� Therefore, the Coalition will be focusing in on educating our community about the current war crisis, the need for international solidarity and peace among all oppressed peoples. This coalition is also going to address the plight of the many undocumented Latin@s in our communities who have become the victims of increased INS raids that have ended with the brutalization and death of many these hard-working immigrants.� This war has become an opportunity to fuel xenophobia and mistrust of immigrant communities.� This xenophobia has made the Pro-Amnesty movement for undocumented workers very difficult.� Many undocumented people in Latin@ communities have become fearful for their safety and have been forced to live under even worse living conditions then before. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice believes in the need to prioritize in the education and mobilization of the Latin@ community.� As a working class people of color community, we are directly impacted by the negative repercussions of this war.� We see it as our duty to address these issues in our communities; and do what we can to promote peace and solidarity among all communities. The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice (LCPJ): ProLibertad Freedom Campaign The Vieques Support Campaign The Working Group On Puerto Rico/Frente Socialista La Iglesia San Romero de Las Americas La Iglesia San Juan Bautista Bronx Community College's Student Government Poder Latino Atrevete Latino Youth Broadway Methodist Temple Fuera de La revolucion Partido Comunista Trabajadora Washington Heights Peace Coalition (Name not secure yet) Centro del Desarollo de la Mujer Dominicana _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
JoeF, First of all, your characterization of our (do you mean U&S) position on imperialism is totally--and since we have reiterated it ad nausium, I must wonder if knowingly--false. Recall our position during election 1996: "Attack Clinton, Defeat Dole" & again in 2000. (this, while DH/AH underhandedly pushed "Both are Worse" w/ U&S banner) In 2000, we called for a left-bloc united front against the obvious threat of fascism rising to power with this election. The Greens' leadership & Nader rejected that plea. Now your own members are being detained for opposing this disasterous Bush led, oil-economy war!! Please, what is abstract about this? What is abstract, when faced with the current epic crisis, about demanding answers as to why Nader broke his campaign pledge not to campaign in swing states, instead stumping heavily in Florida, not to mention Michigan, Oregon, Washington, etc? What is indeed abstract, however, & again disengenuous, is for the Greens leaders to shuck responsibility for Nader's 92,000 Florida votes by poining to 500 votes from a handful of silly sectarian Trotskyite parties. *btw: Zogby poll indicated 60% Nader voters would have otherwise voted Gore*. What is also abstract is Nader & many Greens' suggestion that the main task is to beat Gore for his "betrayal" (!) & that a Bush victory would galvanize the movement. To wit: "I remember how Jim Watt, the Reagan administration's interior secretary , galvanized the enviro movement." Nader even told Outside Mag-R.Nader to Gail Collins, NYT, on possiblity of a Bush win. What is also abstract is Nader's suggestion that Bush is so far out of touch with current conditions(!) that he would immediately isolate himself & that "If you want the parties to diverge from one another, have Bush win." (Outsider Mag) He actually told Outsider that he would prefer Bush to Gore! He told NYT that the aim of the Greens is to *reform* the two parties! (this is a far cry from the party as an anti-imperialist united-front) He took a backwards "States' Rights" position on Roe V Wade, reflecting his liberal, national bourgeois class nature- to the left of Buchanon but sharing in populist outlook! Then, what is abstract is the Greens' leadership pushing Nader as the spearhead of an anit-imperialist united front! Now, point by point, the opposite of the Green Party's best intentions has occured in reality (ergo, abstraction of theory) Instead of Bush isolated, most of the country is blindly united behind Bush's oil-war; Instead of Bush causing the parties to diverge, the Dem's have suckled up to the far-right led initiatives with only scattered squeaks of criticism; instead of galvanizing the embryonic independent movement, the effect of Bush's fascist initiatives is that the movement has become stunned & lost it's bearings & momentum; These are the material results of the intentions (in part good, questionable &/or opportunistic) of the Greens & Nader in the 2000 elections. & JoeF, this is my investigation & therefore my right to speak. I am glad that we will meet on Ras' campaign trail...although, from the looks of all the r,w&b flags in the hood, it would appear that the task of seizing local power has been made greatly more dangerous & difficult since B2, contrary to the illusions of some. Unity & Struggle Matthew Smith , ----Original Message Follows---- From: jfortun845@... Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 18:57:17 EST In a message dated 11/4/01 9:39:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, vivaohio@... writes: > for those who like to quote Mao, recall his > words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the "truest > criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*. > > How about this one, Matt: "No Investigation, no right to speak." Fact is, the margin of victory for Bush in Florida was about 500 votes. By your reckoning, even the Socialist candidate, David McReynolds, had enough votes to sway the election. So did the SWP candidate and probably others, too, but we don't see you relentlessly attacking them. Nor do we see you attacking Clinton/ Gore for disenfranchising over 30,000 African-American voters in Florida with their draconian drug laws and policies. This group, too, had their voting rights not been stripped, would have put Gore over the top. Truly a case of the chickens coming home to roost. But we can't attack the Democrats for this, now can we? And we can't let the facts get in the way of our beautiful, if abstract, argument attacking the Greens, either, can we? The difference between your line and ours is that we call for a united front against imperialism, while you call for a united front WITH imperialism, at least with the part of it represented by the Democratic Party. Brother Joe Smith doesn't bother with facts, either, when he launches his crude and infantile attacks. I am not from Newark, as he claims, and never have been, as if that were important one way or the other. Nevertheless, we Greens, at my urging, endorsed and worked for the Ras Baraka campaign last time around and presumably would do so again, despite the presence of infantile and obnoxious "revolutionaries" hanging around the campaign, who wouldn't know their friends from their enemies if they fell over them. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
u&s line: greens are right.
yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party w/ a
"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for their
"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
profound.
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
>
>Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an honest (&
>I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the Nader'00
>farce
>would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring them
>into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
>democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
>alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine in NB
>where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
>necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it would be a
>different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not be a
>replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will eventually
>emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now
>that)
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
>
>"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating
>Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced
>with
>is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will never
>vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
>
>merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary
>greenback$, "progressive"?
>
>u&s position is: greens are right.
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
>cs
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
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> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> >
> >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> >
> >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the
>role
> >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous
> >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green
> >Party,
> >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office"
>for
> >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted there
> >was
> >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader
> >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader
>carried
> >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross
> >violation
> >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick
>echo
> >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed only
> >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real
> >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including
>Nader
> >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush family
> >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic
> >disaster
> >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al.
>about
> >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a better
> >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of
>many
> >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it
>out,
>&
> >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall his
> >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the "truest
> >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> >
> >Unity & Struggle,
> >Matthew Smith
> >
> >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> >
> >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> >double-digit
> >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there is
> >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their conscience
>and
> >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor.
>Jerry
> >is
> >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on
> >"consent
> >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
>education,
> >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective civilian
> >review
> >of police misconduct allegations.
> >
> >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only
> >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
>Therefore,
> >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> >
> >
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> >> > Subject: Amiri Baraka's Poem >> > >> > Somebody Blew Up America > >> > >> > By Amiri Baraka >> > >> > They say its some terrorist, >> > > some barbaric >> > A Rab, in Afghanistan >> > >> > It wasn't our >American terrorists >> > It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads >> > Or >them that blows up nigger >> > Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row > >> > >> > It wasn't Trent Lott >> > Or David Duke or Giuliani >> > >Or Schundler, Helms retiring >> > >> > It wasn't >> > The gonorrhea in >costume >> > The white sheet diseases >> > That have murdered black >people >> > Terrorized reason and sanity >> > Most of humanity, as they >pleases >> > >> > They say (who say?) >> > Who do the saying >> > Who >is them paying >> > Who tell the lies >> > Who in disguise >> > Who >had the slaves >> > Who got the bux out the Bucks >> > >> > Who got fat >from plantations >> > Who genocided Indians >> > Tried to waste the >Black nation >> > >> > Who live on Wall Street >> > The first >plantation >> > Who cut your nuts off >> > Who rape your ma >> > Who >lynched your pa >> > >> > Who got the tar, who got the feathers >> > >Who had the match, who set the fires >> > Who killed and hired >> > Who >say they God & still be the Devil >> > >> > Who the biggest only >> > >Who the most goodest >> > Who do Jesus resemble >> > >> > Who created >everything >> > Who the smartest >> > Who the greatest >> > Who the >richest >> > Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest >> > >> > Who >define art >> > Who define science >> > >> > Who made the bombs >> > >Who made the guns >> > >> > Who bought the slaves, who sold them >> > >> > > Who called you them names >> > Who say Dahmer wasn't insane >> > >> > > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who stole Puerto Rico >> > Who stole the >Indies, the Philipines, >> > Manhattan Australia & The Hebrides >> > >Who forced opium on the Chinese >> > >> > Who own them buildings >> > >Who got the money >> > Who think you funny >> > Who locked you up >> > > Who own the papers >> > >> > Who owned the slave ship >> > Who run >the army >> > >> > Who the fake president >> > Who the ruler >> > Who >the banker >> > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who own the mine >> > >Who twist your mind >> > Who got bread >> > Who need peace >> > Who >you think need war >> > >> > Who own the oil >> > Who do no toil >> > >Who own the soil >> > Who is not a nigger >> > Who is so great ain't >nobody bigger >> > >> > Who own this city >> > >> > Who own the air >> > > Who own the water >> > >> > Who own your crib >> > Who rob and >steal and cheat and murder >> > and make lies the truth >> > Who call >you uncouth >> > >> > Who live in the biggest house >> > Who do the >biggest crime >> > Who go on vacation anytime >> > >> > Who killed the >most niggers >> > Who killed the most Jews >> > Who killed the most >Italians >> > Who killed the most Irish >> > Who killed the most >Africans >> > Who killed the most Japanese >> > Who killed the most >Latinos >> > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who own the ocean >> > >> > > Who own the airplanes >> > Who own the malls >> > Who own television > >> > Who own radio >> > >> > Who own what ain't even known to be owned > >> > Who own the owners that ain't the real owners >> > >> > Who own >the suburbs >> > Who suck the cities >> > Who make the laws >> > >> > >Who made Bush president >> > Who believe the confederate flag need to be >flying >> > Who talk about democracy and be lying >> > >> > Who the >Beast in Revelations >> > Who 666 >> > Who know who decide Jesus get >crucified >> > >> > Who the Devil on the real side >> > Who got rich >from Armenian genocide >> > >> > Who the biggest terrorist >> > Who >change the bible >> > Who killed the most people >> > Who do the most >evil >> > Who don't worry about survival >> > >> > Who have the >colonies >> > Who stole the most land >> > Who rule the world >> > >Who say they good but only do evil >> > Who the biggest executioner >> > > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who own the oil >> > Who want more oil > >> > Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie >> > >> > > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan >> > >Who pay the CIA, >> > Who knew the bomb was gonna blow >> > Who know >why the terrorists Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego >> > >> > Who >know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion >> > And cracking they >sides at the notion >> > >> > Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't >goin' nowhere >> > >> > Who make the credit cards >> > Who get the >biggest tax cut >> > Who walked out of the Conference Against Racism >> > > Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother >> > Who killed Dr King, >> > > Who would want such a thing? >> > Are they linked to the murder of >Lincoln? >> > >> > Who invaded Grenada >> > Who made money from >apartheid >> > Who keep the Irish a colony >> > Who overthrow Chile and >Nicaragua later >> > >> > Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani, >> > the >same ones who killed Biko, Cabral, >> > Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, >Sandino, >> > >> > Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, >Mondlane, >> > Betty Shabazz, Princess Margaret, Ralph Featherstone, >> > > Little Bobby >> > >> > Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo, >> > > Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton >> > >> > Who >killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton, >> > Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter >Rodney, >> > Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel >> > Who tried >to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed >> > >> > Who put a price on Lenin's >head >> > >> > Who put the Jews in ovens, >> > and who helped them do >it >> > Who said "America First" >> > and ok'd the yellow stars >> > >> > > Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt >> > Who murdered the >Rosenbergs >> > And all the good people iced, >> > tortured, >assassinated, vanished >> > >> > Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti, > >> > Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon, >> > Syria, Egypt, Jordan, >Palestine, >> > >> > Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo >> > Who >invented Aids >> > Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets >> > Who >thought up "The Trail of Tears" >> > >> > Who blew up the Maine >> > & >started the Spanish American War >> > Who got Sharon back in Power >> > >Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek >> > >> > Who decided >Affirmative Action had to go >> > Reconstruction, The New Deal, >> > >The New Frontier, The Great Society, >> > >> > Who do Tom Ass Clarence >Work for >> > Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth >> > Who know what >kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza >> > Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro > >> > Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere >> > >> > Who >overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop, >> > Who poison Robeson, >> > who try to put >DuBois in Jail >> > Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the >Rosenbergs, >> > Garvey, The Scottsboro Boys, The Hollywood Ten >> > >> > > Who set the Reichstag Fire >> > >> > Who knew the World Trade Center >was gonna get bombed >> > Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin >Towers >> > To stay home that day >> > Why did Sharon stay away? >> > > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Explosion of Owl the newspaper say >> > > The devil face cd be seen >> > >> > Who make money from war >> > Who >make dough from fear and lies >> > Who want the world like it is >> > >Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national >> > >oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty. >> > >> > Who is >the ruler of Hell? >> > Who is the most powerful >> > >> > Who you know >ever Seen God? >> > >> > But everybody seen The Devil >> > >> > Like an >Owl exploding >> > In your life in your brain in your self >> > Like an >Owl who know the devil >> > All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl > >> > Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise >> > In terrible >flame like the whistle of a crazy dog >> > >> > Like the acid vomit of >the fire of Hell >> > Who and Who and WHO who who >> > Whoooo and >Whooooooooooooooooooooo! >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> > Subject: Amiri Baraka's Poem >> > >> > Somebody Blew Up America > >> > >> > By Amiri Baraka >> > >> > They say its some terrorist, >> > > some barbaric >> > A Rab, in Afghanistan >> > >> > It wasn't our >American terrorists >> > It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads >> > Or >them that blows up nigger >> > Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row > >> > >> > It wasn't Trent Lott >> > Or David Duke or Giuliani >> > >Or Schundler, Helms retiring >> > >> > It wasn't >> > The gonorrhea in >costume >> > The white sheet diseases >> > That have murdered black >people >> > Terrorized reason and sanity >> > Most of humanity, as they >pleases >> > >> > They say (who say?) >> > Who do the saying >> > Who >is them paying >> > Who tell the lies >> > Who in disguise >> > Who >had the slaves >> > Who got the bux out the Bucks >> > >> > Who got fat >from plantations >> > Who genocided Indians >> > Tried to waste the >Black nation >> > >> > Who live on Wall Street >> > The first >plantation >> > Who cut your nuts off >> > Who rape your ma >> > Who >lynched your pa >> > >> > Who got the tar, who got the feathers >> > >Who had the match, who set the fires >> > Who killed and hired >> > Who >say they God & still be the Devil >> > >> > Who the biggest only >> > >Who the most goodest >> > Who do Jesus resemble >> > >> > Who created >everything >> > Who the smartest >> > Who the greatest >> > Who the >richest >> > Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest >> > >> > Who >define art >> > Who define science >> > >> > Who made the bombs >> > >Who made the guns >> > >> > Who bought the slaves, who sold them >> > >> > > Who called you them names >> > Who say Dahmer wasn't insane >> > >> > > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who stole Puerto Rico >> > Who stole the >Indies, the Philipines, >> > Manhattan Australia & The Hebrides >> > >Who forced opium on the Chinese >> > >> > Who own them buildings >> > >Who got the money >> > Who think you funny >> > Who locked you up >> > > Who own the papers >> > >> > Who owned the slave ship >> > Who run >the army >> > >> > Who the fake president >> > Who the ruler >> > Who >the banker >> > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who own the mine >> > >Who twist your mind >> > Who got bread >> > Who need peace >> > Who >you think need war >> > >> > Who own the oil >> > Who do no toil >> > >Who own the soil >> > Who is not a nigger >> > Who is so great ain't >nobody bigger >> > >> > Who own this city >> > >> > Who own the air >> > > Who own the water >> > >> > Who own your crib >> > Who rob and >steal and cheat and murder >> > and make lies the truth >> > Who call >you uncouth >> > >> > Who live in the biggest house >> > Who do the >biggest crime >> > Who go on vacation anytime >> > >> > Who killed the >most niggers >> > Who killed the most Jews >> > Who killed the most >Italians >> > Who killed the most Irish >> > Who killed the most >Africans >> > Who killed the most Japanese >> > Who killed the most >Latinos >> > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who own the ocean >> > >> > > Who own the airplanes >> > Who own the malls >> > Who own television > >> > Who own radio >> > >> > Who own what ain't even known to be owned > >> > Who own the owners that ain't the real owners >> > >> > Who own >the suburbs >> > Who suck the cities >> > Who make the laws >> > >> > >Who made Bush president >> > Who believe the confederate flag need to be >flying >> > Who talk about democracy and be lying >> > >> > Who the >Beast in Revelations >> > Who 666 >> > Who know who decide Jesus get >crucified >> > >> > Who the Devil on the real side >> > Who got rich >from Armenian genocide >> > >> > Who the biggest terrorist >> > Who >change the bible >> > Who killed the most people >> > Who do the most >evil >> > Who don't worry about survival >> > >> > Who have the >colonies >> > Who stole the most land >> > Who rule the world >> > >Who say they good but only do evil >> > Who the biggest executioner >> > > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who own the oil >> > Who want more oil > >> > Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie >> > >> > > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan >> > >Who pay the CIA, >> > Who knew the bomb was gonna blow >> > Who know >why the terrorists Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego >> > >> > Who >know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion >> > And cracking they >sides at the notion >> > >> > Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't >goin' nowhere >> > >> > Who make the credit cards >> > Who get the >biggest tax cut >> > Who walked out of the Conference Against Racism >> > > Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother >> > Who killed Dr King, >> > > Who would want such a thing? >> > Are they linked to the murder of >Lincoln? >> > >> > Who invaded Grenada >> > Who made money from >apartheid >> > Who keep the Irish a colony >> > Who overthrow Chile and >Nicaragua later >> > >> > Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani, >> > the >same ones who killed Biko, Cabral, >> > Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, >Sandino, >> > >> > Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, >Mondlane, >> > Betty Shabazz, Princess Margaret, Ralph Featherstone, >> > > Little Bobby >> > >> > Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo, >> > > Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton >> > >> > Who >killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton, >> > Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter >Rodney, >> > Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel >> > Who tried >to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed >> > >> > Who put a price on Lenin's >head >> > >> > Who put the Jews in ovens, >> > and who helped them do >it >> > Who said "America First" >> > and ok'd the yellow stars >> > >> > > Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt >> > Who murdered the >Rosenbergs >> > And all the good people iced, >> > tortured, >assassinated, vanished >> > >> > Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti, > >> > Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon, >> > Syria, Egypt, Jordan, >Palestine, >> > >> > Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo >> > Who >invented Aids >> > Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets >> > Who >thought up "The Trail of Tears" >> > >> > Who blew up the Maine >> > & >started the Spanish American War >> > Who got Sharon back in Power >> > >Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek >> > >> > Who decided >Affirmative Action had to go >> > Reconstruction, The New Deal, >> > >The New Frontier, The Great Society, >> > >> > Who do Tom Ass Clarence >Work for >> > Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth >> > Who know what >kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza >> > Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro > >> > Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere >> > >> > Who >overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop, >> > Who poison Robeson, >> > who try to put >DuBois in Jail >> > Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the >Rosenbergs, >> > Garvey, The Scottsboro Boys, The Hollywood Ten >> > >> > > Who set the Reichstag Fire >> > >> > Who knew the World Trade Center >was gonna get bombed >> > Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin >Towers >> > To stay home that day >> > Why did Sharon stay away? >> > > >> > Who? Who? Who? >> > >> > Explosion of Owl the newspaper say >> > > The devil face cd be seen >> > >> > Who make money from war >> > Who >make dough from fear and lies >> > Who want the world like it is >> > >Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national >> > >oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty. >> > >> > Who is >the ruler of Hell? >> > Who is the most powerful >> > >> > Who you know >ever Seen God? >> > >> > But everybody seen The Devil >> > >> > Like an >Owl exploding >> > In your life in your brain in your self >> > Like an >Owl who know the devil >> > All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl > >> > Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise >> > In terrible >flame like the whistle of a crazy dog >> > >> > Like the acid vomit of >the fire of Hell >> > Who and Who and WHO who who >> > Whoooo and >Whooooooooooooooooooooo! >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
organization has competing ideologies.
I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also,
for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
you lost me...MS
----Original Message Follows----
From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:15 +0000
u&s line: greens are right.
yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party w/ a
"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for their
"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
profound.
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
>
>Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an honest
(&
>I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the Nader'00
>farce
>would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring them
>into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
>democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
>alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine in
NB
>where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
>necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it would be
a
>different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not be a
>replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will eventually
>emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are
now
>that)
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
>
>"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating
>Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced
>with
>is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will never
>vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
>
>merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary
>greenback$, "progressive"?
>
>u&s position is: greens are right.
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
>cs
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >CC: bbz@..., blombard@...,
> >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@...,
> >tg347@..., behorne@..., khabirah@...,
> >1blackmale@..., E_MacBlain@...,
Ceettadili@...,
> >AMAlston1@..., poetas@..., locicero@...,
> >sztamke@..., krisbas@..., kvt@...,
> >csevans@..., daverapp@...,
kb2zuz@...,
> >MidsummerVixen@..., DVG716@..., aquataffy4@...,
> >morguebabe77@..., bgigas@..., Jordel7@...,
> >Skyblue122@..., elizabethia@..., atupahache@...,
> >Eman101@..., Amirib@..., HRose16342@...,
>iacenter@...,
> >Mkouyate@..., pjustice2000@...,
>PrimeMinister901@...,
> >TooTallLa@..., Coolretta@..., MNorales@...,
> >Meratj@..., Voyageur1234@..., blackjack76@...,
> >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c
> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> >
> >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> >
> >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the
>role
> >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous
> >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green
> >Party,
> >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office"
>for
> >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted
there
> >was
> >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader
> >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader
>carried
> >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross
> >violation
> >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick
>echo
> >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed only
> >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real
> >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including
>Nader
> >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
family
> >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic
> >disaster
> >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al.
>about
> >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a better
> >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of
>many
> >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it
>out,
>&
> >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall
his
> >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the "truest
> >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> >
> >Unity & Struggle,
> >Matthew Smith
> >
> >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> >
> >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> >double-digit
> >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there is
> >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their conscience
>and
> >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor.
>Jerry
> >is
> >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on
> >"consent
> >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
>education,
> >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective civilian
> >review
> >of police misconduct allegations.
> >
> >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only
> >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
>Therefore,
> >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> >
> >
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> >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com
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yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they merely
admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into an
ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
u&s' line is: greens are right.
yr argument is w/ u&s.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:34:16
>
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
>
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also,
>for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:15 +0000
>
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party w/
>a
>"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for their
>"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
>
>profound.
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
> >
> >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an honest
>(&
> >I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the Nader'00
> >farce
> >would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring
>them
> >into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
> >democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
> >alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine in
>NB
> >where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
> >necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it would
>be
>a
> >different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not be
>a
> >replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will eventually
> >emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are
>now
> >that)
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
> >
> >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
>facilitating
> >Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced
> >with
> >is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will
>never
> >vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
> >
> >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary
> >greenback$, "progressive"?
> >
> >u&s position is: greens are right.
> >
> >peoples' war on the right.
> >combat liberalism.
> >
> >cs
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >CC: bbz@..., blombard@...,
> > >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@...,
> > >tg347@..., behorne@..., khabirah@...,
> > >1blackmale@..., E_MacBlain@...,
>Ceettadili@...,
> > >AMAlston1@..., poetas@...,
>locicero@...,
> > >sztamke@..., krisbas@..., kvt@...,
> > >csevans@..., daverapp@...,
>kb2zuz@...,
> > >MidsummerVixen@..., DVG716@..., aquataffy4@...,
> > >morguebabe77@..., bgigas@..., Jordel7@...,
> > >Skyblue122@..., elizabethia@..., atupahache@...,
> > >Eman101@..., Amirib@..., HRose16342@...,
> >iacenter@...,
> > >Mkouyate@..., pjustice2000@...,
> >PrimeMinister901@...,
> > >TooTallLa@..., Coolretta@..., MNorales@...,
> > >Meratj@..., Voyageur1234@..., blackjack76@...,
> > >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c
> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> > >
> > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > >
> > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the
> >role
> > >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous
> > >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green
> > >Party,
> > >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
>office"
> >for
> > >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted
>there
> > >was
> > >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader
> > >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader
> >carried
> > >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross
> > >violation
> > >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick
> >echo
> > >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed
>only
> > >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real
> > >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including
> >Nader
> > >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
>family
> > >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic
> > >disaster
> > >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al.
> >about
> > >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a
>better
> > >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of
> >many
> > >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it
> >out,
> >&
> > >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall
>his
> > >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the
>"truest
> > >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> > >
> > >Unity & Struggle,
> > >Matthew Smith
> > >
> > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > >
> > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> > >double-digit
> > >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there
>is
> > >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their
>conscience
> >and
> > >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor.
> >Jerry
> > >is
> > >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on
> > >"consent
> > >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
> >education,
> > >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective
>civilian
> > >review
> > >of police misconduct allegations.
> > >
> > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only
> > >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> >Therefore,
> > >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> > >
> > >
> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
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The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
----Original Message Follows----
From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:55:29 +0000
yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they merely
admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into an
ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
u&s' line is: greens are right.
yr argument is w/ u&s.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:34:16
>
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
>
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also,
>for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:15 +0000
>
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party w/
>a
>"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for their
>"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
>
>profound.
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
> >
> >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an
honest
>(&
> >I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the Nader'00
> >farce
> >would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring
>them
> >into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
> >democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
> >alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine
in
>NB
> >where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
> >necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it would
>be
>a
> >different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not
be
>a
> >replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will
eventually
> >emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are
>now
> >that)
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
> >
> >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
>facilitating
> >Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced
> >with
> >is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will
>never
> >vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
> >
> >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary
> >greenback$, "progressive"?
> >
> >u&s position is: greens are right.
> >
> >peoples' war on the right.
> >combat liberalism.
> >
> >cs
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >CC: bbz@..., blombard@...,
> > >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@...,
> > >tg347@..., behorne@..., khabirah@...,
> > >1blackmale@..., E_MacBlain@...,
>Ceettadili@...,
> > >AMAlston1@..., poetas@...,
>locicero@...,
> > >sztamke@..., krisbas@..., kvt@...,
> > >csevans@..., daverapp@...,
>kb2zuz@...,
> > >MidsummerVixen@..., DVG716@..., aquataffy4@...,
> > >morguebabe77@..., bgigas@..., Jordel7@...,
> > >Skyblue122@..., elizabethia@..., atupahache@...,
> > >Eman101@..., Amirib@..., HRose16342@...,
> >iacenter@...,
> > >Mkouyate@..., pjustice2000@...,
> >PrimeMinister901@...,
> > >TooTallLa@..., Coolretta@..., MNorales@...,
> > >Meratj@..., Voyageur1234@..., blackjack76@...,
> > >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c
> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> > >
> > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > >
> > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of
the
> >role
> > >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
disasterous
> > >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the
Green
> > >Party,
> > >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
>office"
> >for
> > >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted
>there
> > >was
> > >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader
> > >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader
> >carried
> > >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross
> > >violation
> > >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's
less-slick
> >echo
> > >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed
>only
> > >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than
real
> > >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including
> >Nader
> > >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
>family
> > >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic
> > >disaster
> > >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al.
> >about
> > >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a
>better
> > >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions
of
> >many
> > >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it
> >out,
> >&
> > >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall
>his
> > >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the
>"truest
> > >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> > >
> > >Unity & Struggle,
> > >Matthew Smith
> > >
> > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > >
> > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> > >double-digit
> > >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there
>is
> > >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their
>conscience
> >and
> > >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor.
> >Jerry
> > >is
> > >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on
> > >"consent
> > >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
> >education,
> > >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective
>civilian
> > >review
> > >of police misconduct allegations.
> > >
> > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can
only
> > >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> >Therefore,
> > >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> > >
> > >
> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > >poprogress-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> > >
> > >
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'shd be' idealism is not the point.
everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
u&s line is: greens are right.
tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:32:58
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:55:29 +0000
>
>yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they merely
>admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into
>an
>ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
>endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
>encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
>
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:34:16
> >
> >My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
> >organization has competing ideologies.
> >
> >I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an
>out.
> >That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
> >
> >Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
> >
> >Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
> >also,
> >for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
> >
> >you lost me...MS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:15 +0000
> >
> >u&s line: greens are right.
> >
> >yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/
> >a
> >"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
> >non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
> >
> >("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
> >
> >yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for their
> >"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
> >
> >profound.
> >
> >peoples' war on the right.
> >combat liberalism.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
> > >
> > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an
>honest
> >(&
> > >I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
>Nader'00
> > >farce
> > >would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring
> >them
> > >into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
> > >democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
> > >alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine
>in
> >NB
> > >where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
> > >necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it
>would
> >be
> >a
> > >different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not
>be
> >a
> > >replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will
>eventually
> > >emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they
>are
> >now
> > >that)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
> > >
> > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> >facilitating
> > >Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now
>faced
> > >with
> > >is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will
> >never
> > >vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
> > >
> > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
>reactionary
> > >greenback$, "progressive"?
> > >
> > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > >
> > >peoples' war on the right.
> > >combat liberalism.
> > >
> > >cs
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
> > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
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> > > >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c
> > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> > > >
> > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > >
> > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of
>the
> > >role
> > > >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
>disasterous
> > > >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the
>Green
> > > >Party,
> > > >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
> >office"
> > >for
> > > >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted
> >there
> > > >was
> > > >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader
> > > >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
>Nader
> > >carried
> > > >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross
> > > >violation
> > > >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's
>less-slick
> > >echo
> > > >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed
> >only
> > > >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than
>real
> > > >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
>(including
> > >Nader
> > > >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
> >family
> > > >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to
>economic
> > > >disaster
> > > >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et
>al.
> > >about
> > > >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a
> >better
> > > >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions
>of
> > >many
> > > >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured
>it
> > >out,
> > >&
> > > >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao,
>recall
> >his
> > > >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the
> >"truest
> > > >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> > > >
> > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > >Matthew Smith
> > > >
> > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > >
> > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> > > >double-digit
> > > >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points,
>there
> >is
> > > >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their
> >conscience
> > >and
> > > >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for
>Governor.
> > >Jerry
> > > >is
> > > >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban
>on
> > > >"consent
> > > >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
> > >education,
> > > >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective
> >civilian
> > > >review
> > > >of police misconduct allegations.
> > > >
> > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can
>only
> > > >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> > >Therefore,
> > > >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> > > >
> > > >
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>From: Amirib@... >To: can_bush@... >Subject: Re: [RUGreens] Re: Greens for McGreevey >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:23:18 EST > >its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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High Commissioner on Human Rights. > >2.� Mr. Peltier was charged with the murders of two FBI agents who were >killed in a shoot-out on the Pine Ridge Reservation in the midst of local >political strife in which dozens of Native Americans were also killed.� Mr. >Peltier was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences based on the >contention that he personally shot the agents. > >3.� The case against Mr. Peltier was rife with FBI misconduct, including >the >utilization of false testimony, coercion of witnesses, and concealment of >critical evidence. In contrast, the killings of Native Americans during the >same time were rarely investigated. > >4.� At trial, the FBI withheld a ballistic test reflecting Mr. Peltier's >innocence and refuting the government's most critical evidence.� The >discovery of the lab report, acquired through a FOIA lawsuit, prompted the >US Attorney to admit, "we can't prove who shot those agents."� Yet, a new >trial was denied based on a legal technicality by a judge who now supports >Mr. Peltier's release. > >5.� Mr. Peltier's attorney, Eric Seitz, has just filed a motion seeking the >reduction of Mr. Peltier's life sentences from consecutive to concurrent. >The motion argues that the judge who originally sentenced Mr. Peltier was >misled to believe Mr. Peltier shot the agents, and the sentences meted were >therefore grossly disproportionate and unfair. We believe a reduction in >sentence would obligate the Parole Commission to release Mr. Peltier. > >6.� Mr. Peltier is now 57 years old and his health is deteriorating.� From >prison he has achieved a remarkable record of humanitarian achievements >including annual Christmas drives for the children of Pine Ridge, >contributions of his art to assist battered women's shelters and substance >abuse programs, and the establishment of a Native American scholarship >program. > >7.� The reduction of Mr. Peltier's sentence would not only bring a long >overdue end to his term in prison, but would also bring closure to a symbol >of injustice against all Native Americans. Please contact the Department of >Justice and ask them not to oppose the motion.� (Case # C77-3003). > > > >The Honorable _____ >U.S. Senate >Washington DC 20510 > >The Honorable _____ >U.S. House of Representatives >Washington DC 20515 > > >Dear Senator/Representative, > >Thank you for accepting my letter during this difficult time.� I admire and >respect your continued commitment to your constituents despite the >difficult >circumstances you are forced to work under. > >I am writing in regard to Leonard Peltier, the Native American activist who >has been unjustly imprisoned for over 25 years.� Amnesty International >considers Mr. Peltier to be a "political prisoner who should be immediately >and unconditionally released."� His release is also supported by Archbishop >Desmond Tutu, the National Congress of American Indians, Rev. Jesse >Jackson, >and the U.N. High Commissioner on Human Rights amongst many others. > >Mr. Peltier was charged with the murders of two FBI agents who were killed >in a shoot-out on the Pine Ridge Reservation in the midst of local >political >strife in which dozens of Native Americans were also killed.� Mr. Peltier >was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences based on the contention >that >he personally shot the agents. >However, the case against Mr. Peltier was rife with FBI misconduct, >including the utilization of false testimony, coercion of witnesses, and >concealment of critical evidence. In contrast, the killings of Native >Americans during the same time were rarely investigated. > >At trial, the FBI withheld a ballistic test reflecting Mr. Peltier's >innocence and refuting the government's most critical evidence.� The >discovery of the lab report prompted the US Attorney to admit, "we can't >prove who shot those agents."� Yet, a new trial was denied based on a legal >technicality by a judge who now supports Mr. Peltier's release. > >Mr. Peltier's attorney, Eric Seitz, has just filed a motion seeking the >reduction of Mr. Peltier's life sentences from consecutive to concurrent. >The motion argues that the judge who originally sentenced Mr. Peltier was >misled to believe Mr. Peltier shot the agents, and the sentences meted were >therefore grossly disproportionate and unfair. We believe a reduction in >sentence would obligate the Parole Commission to release Mr. Peltier. > >Mr. Peltier has already served over 25 years in prison.� He is now 57 years >old and his health is deteriorating.� From prison he has achieved a >remarkable record of humanitarian achievements including annual Christmas >drives for the children of Pine Ridge, contributions of his art to assist >battered women's shelters and substance abuse programs, and the >establishment of a Native American scholarship program. > >Mr. Peltier's release would not only bring a long overdue end to his term >in >prison, but would also bring closure to a symbol of injustice against all >Native Americans. Please contact the Department of Justice and urge them >not >to oppose the motion.� (Case # C77-3003). > >Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. > >Sincerely, > > > >Until Freedom Is Won! >The New Peltier Justice Campaign > >Leonard Peltier Defense Committee >PO Box 583 >Lawrence, KS 66044 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
From: Amirib@...
To: can_bush@...
Subject: Re: [RUGreens] Re: Greens for McGreevey
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 22:23:18 EST
its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:34:16
>
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
>
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also,
>for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:15 +0000
>
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party w/
>a
>"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for their
>"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
>
>profound.
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
> >
> >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an honest
>(&
> >I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the Nader'00
> >farce
> >would have to include an internal transformation of the party & bring
>them
> >into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
> >democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
> >alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic Machine in
>NB
> >where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
> >necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it would
>be
>a
> >different party with a different leading ideology. It would still not be
>a
> >replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will eventually
> >emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are
>now
> >that)
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
> >
> >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
>facilitating
> >Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now faced
> >with
> >is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will
>never
> >vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
> >
> >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for reactionary
> >greenback$, "progressive"?
> >
> >u&s position is: greens are right.
> >
> >peoples' war on the right.
> >combat liberalism.
> >
> >cs
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >CC: bbz@..., blombard@...,
> > >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@...,
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> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> > >
> > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > >
> > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the
> >role
> > >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous
> > >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green
> > >Party,
> > >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
>office"
> >for
> > >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted
>there
> > >was
> > >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader
> > >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where Nader
> >carried
> > >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a gross
> > >violation
> > >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick
> >echo
> > >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed
>only
> > >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real
> > >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including
> >Nader
> > >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
>family
> > >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to economic
> > >disaster
> > >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et al.
> >about
> > >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a
>better
> > >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the intentions of
> >many
> > >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured it
> >out,
> >&
> > >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao, recall
>his
> > >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the
>"truest
> > >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> > >
> > >Unity & Struggle,
> > >Matthew Smith
> > >
> > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > >
> > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> > >double-digit
> > >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points, there
>is
> > >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their
>conscience
> >and
> > >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for Governor.
> >Jerry
> > >is
> > >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban on
> > >"consent
> > >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
> >education,
> > >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective
>civilian
> > >review
> > >of police misconduct allegations.
> > >
> > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can only
> > >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> >Therefore,
> > >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> > >
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign sends this report out in solidarity with our brothers and sisters in Vieques. Please email far and wide. The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 __________________________________________________________________________ Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques PO Box 1424��� Vieques, Puerto Rico� 00765 Telefax (787) 741-1717���� E mail:� bieke@... 10 November, 2001 Report from the Vieques Peace and Justice Camp In these times of war, it is our responsibility to struggle harder for peace � peace in Vieques, peace in the US, peace in Afghanistan, peace for the world.� In Vieques we have lived war during six decades.� We now the horrible sounds of military aircraft, bombs exploding, war ships cannon fire.� Our family members die from the toxic components of the projectiles and other tools of war, more frequently that in the rest of the Puerto Rico archipelago.� We don't want any more war in Vieques � we don't want any more war, period! The terrorist attacks of September are among the most barbarous acts of our times.� We denounce those acts with all the energy of our hearts.� But we cannot, even for an instant, succumb to the hawkish rhetoric of the militarists of the US or the Taliban, who embrace violence � from their different perspectives � as a method to resolve conflict.� We scream out for peace, peace and more peace. Peace for Vieques is synonymous with the cessation of all military activity, the decontamination of our lands, water and air, the return of our territory and sustainable, healthy development in a Free Vieques.� In this direction we march. In September, the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques (CRDV), called for all community organizations of the struggle to begin a process of dialogues to unite efforts to become more effective in this battle for justice and peace.� Saturday, 3 November, we held the third meeting of this series, with the participation of the Vieques Women's Alliance, the Vieques Youth United, the Catholic and Methodist Churches, the Horsemen for Peace, Mount Carmelo, Luisa Guadalupe Camp, Millivy Camp, Peace and Justice Camp, the Municipal Government, among others. 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below is a my response to rachel lichtenfeld's position on the greens & the war. if bush lost would there be such a war? rachel: >Ok. Could someone please explain to 'certain people' why the democrats are >not going to stop imperialism?> joe: who said the democrats would stop imperialism, rachel? and why do you ask people to explain things for you? >Furthermore, all this green-bashing is out of place and inappropriate. the greens are an organization that strengthens the right not the people. see president bush & election 2000. all bashing deserved & necessary for their betrayal of the popular vote. >The Greens have the right to run their candidates, as does any other third >party (including the peoples' campaign, hint-hint). the greens can run their candidates, but they cannot claim to represent the people with these backwards campaigns that cannot be won. see candidate coleman - NJ election 2001, why would progressives want to help schundler... they don't! republicans and greens help the right wing move further right and both must be held accountable. >To give in to the two-party system is in itself reactionary; the thing we >should be aiming for here is a variety of parties, not a sort of >dictatorial dicotemy. in an election where only a democrat or republican will win, the green candidate strengthens the republicans campaign. who is giving in to the 2 party system? >To vote dem because the republican candidate is an evil fascist is one >thing; it is quite another to insist that there be no other candidates. what is your analysis of george bush & bret schundler, rachel? who said there should be no other candidates? the greens cannot claim to be progressive when their activity supports bush! >Saying that the greens cause republicans to win is a benighted statement at >best. why is that, rachel? the greens recognize that they cause republicans to win, why would you deny it & attack those that point it out. > >As a side note, the peace movement is a perfect example of how the left >factionalizes. can you elaborate? how does the left factionalize? >At Rutgers Students for Peace, we've pretty much managed to keep that to a >minimum - libertarians and anarchists work side by side, with no political >contest between them. this is because there is no political line struggle, which means there is no political development to your group. line struggle is necessary to all united front activity, it must be embraced. >I encourage such groups to be formed elsewheres, and for those in the >Rutgers area(s) to get in contact with us (rustudentsforpeace@...). such sectarian groups are a hazard to the united front against imperialism. to expel organizations from coalition efforts because they are practicing line struggle weakens the united front. it also makes you & others look scared to defend your positions. >There is, after all, a purpose to this peace movement - namely, stopping >the war and the curtailing of civil liberties - and other movements also >have purposes that should transend internal bickering. We should try to see >to it that it does. the purpose of the united front against imperialism is to destroy imperialism. unless you are satisfied with just stopping one way imperialism kills and letting it manifest in all the others. >Anyway, that's my spiel. I remain, - Rachel Lichtenfeld, R.U. Students for Peace > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> joe asks: what should we do about the world fraud? fraud responds: we should vote for the greens for a better world. warn your children, parents, the fraud lurks... we must fight the opportunist fraud with revolutionary democracy. presently imperialism is stronger than the people and that is why the people are actively defending themselves with their vote to defeat schundler. > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > >Reply-To: onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com > > >To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <onepeoplesproject@yahoogroups.com>, > >"Anti- War Coalition" <antiwarcoalition@yahoogroups.com> > > >Subject: [onepeoplesproject] Final US ultimate warning to Iraq > > >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 13:40:54 -0500 > > > > > >Final US ultimate warning to Iraq > > >Iraq-USA, Politics, 11/5/2001 > > > > > >The Kuwaiti daily al-Seyash issued on Sunday quoted sources at the > >British house of commons as saying that the British prime minister Tony > >Blair asked the Jordanian King Abdullah II during his visit to Amman to > >convey a final warning from the US administration to Iraq on the need of > >accepting the return back of the UN inspectors to Baghdad within three > >weeks, otherwise the next station of the war against terrorism after > >Afghanistan will be Iraq. > > > > > >The sources indicated that Iraq was told about the warning through an > >envoy in the Jordanian royal court. > > > > > >The sources also told the paper about information reported from Moscow > >that the Russian foreign minister Igore Ivanov conveyed to the Russian > >administration following his meeting with the US secretary of state Colin > >Powell about a conviction formed within himself that a British- American > >attacks at Baghdad has become very near. > > > > > >Source: arabicnews.com > > > > > >http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/011105/2001110505.html > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism" -AB
It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
cross-polinated sloganeering.
----Original Message Follows----
From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 01:19:52 +0000
'shd be' idealism is not the point.
everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
u&s line is: greens are right.
tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 19:32:58
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 03:55:29 +0000
>
>yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they merely
>admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into
>an
>ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
>endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
>encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
>
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:34:16
> >
> >My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
> >organization has competing ideologies.
> >
> >I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an
>out.
> >That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
> >
> >Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
> >
> >Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
> >also,
> >for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
> >
> >you lost me...MS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 02:05:15 +0000
> >
> >u&s line: greens are right.
> >
> >yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/
> >a
> >"different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
> >non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
> >
> >("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
> >
> >yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
their
> >"facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...
> >
> >profound.
> >
> >peoples' war on the right.
> >combat liberalism.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:32:24
> > >
> > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an
>honest
> >(&
> > >I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
>Nader'00
> > >farce
> > >would have to include an internal transformation of the party &
bring
> >them
> > >into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for revolutionary
> > >democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a better
> > >alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
Machine
>in
> >NB
> > >where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it would be
> > >necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it
>would
> >be
> >a
> > >different party with a different leading ideology. It would still
not
>be
> >a
> > >replacement for the *mass* independant party that must & will
>eventually
> > >emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they
>are
> >now
> > >that)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 05:00:53 +0000
> > >
> > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> >facilitating
> > >Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we humanity is now
>faced
> > >with
> > >is put foward by the Green Party, this is one progressive that will
> >never
> > >vote Green for "higher office" for lack of trust, to start." -ms
> > >
> > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
>reactionary
> > >greenback$, "progressive"?
> > >
> > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > >
> > >peoples' war on the right.
> > >combat liberalism.
> > >
> > >cs
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com, can_bush@...,
> > > >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > > >CC: bbz@..., blombard@...,
> > > >cjangel@..., jstanton@..., tabenigno@...,
> > > >tg347@..., behorne@..., khabirah@...,
> > > >1blackmale@..., E_MacBlain@...,
> >Ceettadili@...,
> > > >AMAlston1@..., poetas@...,
> >locicero@...,
> > > >sztamke@..., krisbas@..., kvt@...,
> > > >csevans@..., daverapp@...,
> >kb2zuz@...,
> > > >MidsummerVixen@..., DVG716@..., aquataffy4@...,
> > > >morguebabe77@..., bgigas@..., Jordel7@...,
> > > >Skyblue122@..., elizabethia@...,
atupahache@...,
> > > >Eman101@..., Amirib@..., HRose16342@...,
> > >iacenter@...,
> > > >Mkouyate@..., pjustice2000@...,
> > >PrimeMinister901@...,
> > > >TooTallLa@..., Coolretta@..., MNorales@...,
> > > >Meratj@..., Voyageur1234@..., blackjack76@...,
> > > >TheStudentActionCommittee@egroups.c
> > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > >Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 02:36:30
> > > >
> > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > >
> > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of
>the
> > >role
> > > >of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
>disasterous
> > > >results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the
>Green
> > > >Party,
> > > >this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
> >office"
> > >for
> > > >lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
insisted
> >there
> > > >was
> > > >no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with
Nader
> > > >campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
>Nader
> > >carried
> > > >92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a
gross
> > > >violation
> > > >of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's
>less-slick
> > >echo
> > > >of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
spoon-fed
> >only
> > > >defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than
>real
> > > >substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
>(including
> > >Nader
> > > >himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
> >family
> > > >oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to
>economic
> > > >disaster
> > > >and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the Greens, et
>al.
> > >about
> > > >this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting Bradley was a
> >better
> > > >dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the
intentions
>of
> > >many
> > > >Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party hasn't yet figured
>it
> > >out,
> > >&
> > > >my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote Mao,
>recall
> >his
> > > >words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that the
> >"truest
> > > >criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> > > >
> > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > >Matthew Smith
> > > >
> > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > >
> > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding a
> > > >double-digit
> > > >lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine points,
>there
> >is
> > > >ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote their
> >conscience
> > >and
> > > >cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party for
>Governor.
> > >Jerry
> > > >is
> > > >the only candidate putting forward the progressive agenda: a ban
>on
> > > >"consent
> > > >searches"' universal health care, adequate spending for public
> > >education,
> > > >jobs and housing, a living wage and independent and effective
> >civilian
> > > >review
> > > >of police misconduct allegations.
> > > >
> > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we can
>only
> > > >conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> > >Therefore,
> > > >vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
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The following nonsense appeared in Saturday's THNT. By 5pm tomorrow, November 12, we need at least 3 response letters written by you, NBPC members resident in NB. Please email your responses to letters@... and copy them here. Thanks. Saturday's letters to HNT Published in the Home News Tribune 11/10/01 New Brunswick writing an urban success story Frank Coury's letter to the editor (Oct. 19) contained a grossly distorted view of New Brunswick's successful revitalization. New Brunswick has had tremendous success in creating a vibrant and diverse downtown that is the home of Rutgers University, Johnson & Johnson and the region's leading medical complex and cultural center. This successful revitalization has also taken place in neighborhoods throughout the city. This summer, the New Brunswick Homes public-housing towers were demolished to make way for new mixed-income housing. Former public- housing residents were successfully relocated and provided with job and educational benefits to allow them to create better quality lives. Through this process, unemployment for former New Brunswick Homes residents dropped from 44 percent in 1999 to 7.4 percent in August. A second free shuttle-bus service for residents, the New BrunsQwik Shuttle, was initiated in September. Nineteen new affordable homes were constructed this past spring by Antioch Community Development Corp. with substantial grant assistance from the city, in the Renaissance 2000 neighborhood near Route 27. Nearby, 124 condominiums are being rehabilitated for middle-income and low- and moderate-income families by First Baptist CDC at Hampton Club with substantial assistance from city grants. Additionally, with City assistance, a new grocery store, eight-acre park, modernized elementary school, family health center and transitional housing for homeless women have been developed in this neighborhood . Redevelopment plans have been approved for the development of new housing in the 2nd Ward along Remsen and Commercial avenues. In conjunction with these plans, the city has targeted $300,000 for the rehabilitation of existing homes and new sidewalks in the same neighborhood. These are only some of the neighborhood-centered revitalization activities occurring in New Brunswick. Coury's derogatory comments about New Brunswick were made without consideration of the facts. Glenn Patterson Director, Department of Planning, Community and Economic Development, NEW BRUNSWICK
amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
1. peoples war on the right &
2. greens are right...
is your line peoples war on the greens?
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
>
>It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
>*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
>cross-polinated sloganeering.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
'shd be' idealism is not the point.
everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
u&s line is: greens are right.
tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >
> >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they merely
>admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into
>an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
>endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
>encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> >
greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
u&s' line is: greens are right.
yr argument is w/ u&s.
>
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >
My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
organization has competing ideologies.
> > >
I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
you lost me...MS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >
u&s line: greens are right.
yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
>their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > >
> > >peoples' war on the right.
> > >combat liberalism.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >
> > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an
>honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
>Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
>party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
>revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a
>better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
>Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it
>would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it
>would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
>still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
>will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens
>think they are now that)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > >
> > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
>humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one
>progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
>trust, to start." -ms
> > > >
> > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > >
> > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >cs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...
> > > > >
> > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > >
> > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment
>of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
>disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the
>Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
>office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
>insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, &
>with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
>Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a
>gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's
>less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
>spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather
>than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
>(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
>right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading
>us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning
>the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting
>Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for
>the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
>hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who like
>to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
>Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge intentions
>are *material results*.
> > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > >
> > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > >
> > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding
>a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
>points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
>their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party
>for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the progressive
>agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
>spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
>independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct allegations.
> > > > >
> > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we
>can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
>Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
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> >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> still no explaination. what's the action? joe From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> I would like to know what this is about. I already sd that sectarianism is a form of opportunism. While I am all for drawing clear lines of demarcation, so that there is no mistake about political lines, at the same time this isn't a "game" that a group or anyone else controls. We are talking (I hope) about orgainzing the people to seize power (for their own benifit, not the benifit of their wanna be leaders). I think that explainaition is required but the language of "game" implying control is betrays alot. Calling others aents even if you disagree strongly doesn't help it only plays into the divide and conquer strategy of Imperialsim. From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> i am sending this broadly because these statements need to come out into the open with an explaination for all. i do not appreciate getting e-mails like this, but maybe i am misinterpreting the message - can paul mcgee reply all and state his case in an open above board fashion? what game and who is he calling agents and on what basis? agents for who/what? joe smith >>>> >>>>>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...> >>>>>To: can_bush@... >>>>>Subject: fake playaz >>>>>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:40:06 +0000 >>>>> >>>>get your own game, agents. >>>><< message3.txt >> >>> >> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of
games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
I think I have an idea of what AB's line is. My question was raised to
Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans "Greens are right...Peoples' War
on the Right". I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
on the Greens." He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on
why he would mash them together. If you consider AB's statement "its not
the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism", you may
realize that it's a question of attacking this particular line within the
Green Party (as elsewhere, in the "Fake-Left"). Instead of goofing around,
wasting time, why not answer the question or ask Cliff to & then we can have
a real discussion. -Matt
----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, vivaohio@...
Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
1. peoples war on the right &
2. greens are right...
is your line peoples war on the greens?
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
>
>It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
>*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
>cross-polinated sloganeering.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
'shd be' idealism is not the point.
everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
u&s line is: greens are right.
tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >
> >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
merely
>admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into
>an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
>endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
>encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> >
greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
u&s' line is: greens are right.
yr argument is w/ u&s.
>
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >
My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
organization has competing ideologies.
> > >
I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
you lost me...MS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >
u&s line: greens are right.
yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
>their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > >
> > >peoples' war on the right.
> > >combat liberalism.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >
> > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an
>honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
>Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
>party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
>revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a
>better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
>Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it
>would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it
>would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
>still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
>will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens
>think they are now that)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > >
> > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
>humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one
>progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
>trust, to start." -ms
> > > >
> > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > >
> > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >cs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...
> > > > >
> > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > >
> > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment
>of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
>disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by
the
>Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
"higher
>office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
>insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, &
>with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
>Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a
>gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's
>less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
>spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather
>than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
>(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
>right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
leading
>us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning
>the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
suggesting
>Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for
>the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
>hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who like
>to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
>Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge intentions
>are *material results*.
> > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > >
> > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > >
> > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding
>a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
>points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
>their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
Party
>for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the progressive
>agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
>spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
>independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct
allegations.
> > > > >
> > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we
>can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
>Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
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in what way do you distinguish "this particular line within" the right
greens?
you ought to have an "idea" of ab's line. its greens r right.
whats "stupid", "annoying", un"serious", "boring", &"goofy" is yr own right
wing liberal conciliatory tendencies which repeatedly contradict u&s and
have you holding hands w/ republicans &their green cohorts.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@...
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 22:13:39
>
>Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of
>games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
>
>I think I have an idea of what AB's line is. My question was raised to
>Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans "Greens are right...Peoples'
>War
>on the Right". I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
>on the Greens." He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on
>why he would mash them together. If you consider AB's statement "its not
>the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism", you may
>realize that it's a question of attacking this particular line within the
>Green Party (as elsewhere, in the "Fake-Left"). Instead of goofing around,
>wasting time, why not answer the question or ask Cliff to & then we can
>have
>a real discussion. -Matt
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, vivaohio@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
>
>amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
> 1. peoples war on the right &
> 2. greens are right...
>is your line peoples war on the greens?
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
> >
> >It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
> >*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
> >cross-polinated sloganeering.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>
>'shd be' idealism is not the point.
>everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
>
>u&s line is: greens are right.
>tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
> >
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >
> > >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
>merely
> >admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them
>into
> >an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
> >endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
> >encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> > >
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
> >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
> > > >
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > >
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
> >their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > >
> > > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since
>an
> >honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
> >Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
> >party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
> >revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them
>a
> >better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
> >Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it
> >would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as
>it
> >would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
> >still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
> >will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens
> >think they are now that)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > > >
> > > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
> >humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one
> >progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
> >trust, to start." -ms
> > > > >
> > > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> > >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > > >
> > > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > > >
> > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > >
> > > > >cs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest
>assesment
> >of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
> >disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by
>the
> >Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
>"higher
> >office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
> >insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign,
>&
> >with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
> >Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election
>(a
> >gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce
>Afrin's
> >less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
> >spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign"
>rather
> >than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
> >(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
> >right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
>leading
> >us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been
>warning
> >the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
>suggesting
> >Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for
> >the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
> >hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who
>like
> >to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
> >Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge
>intentions
> >are *material results*.
> > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey
>holding
> >a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
> >points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
> >their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
>Party
> >for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the
>progressive
> >agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
> >spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
> >independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct
>allegations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we
> >can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> >Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
>
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There will be a Newark Community Forum on the War in Afghanistan on Wednesday, Nov. 28, at 7:00 PM. The location will be 53 Lincoln Park in Newark. Speakers include Ras Baraka of Black Nia Force, Frederika Bey of WISOMMM, Inc., Lawrence Hamm of the People's Organization for Progress, and Arthur Henson of For a Better World. A flyer in printable format is attached. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
from what & where did the RED collective come? is the republican party welcome into the anti-war coalition? the new brunswick peoples campaign will join the coalition, when is the next public meeting? -joe --- In starc-rutgers@y..., "Thomas DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...> wrote: hey folks, the following is the first statement of a local group aiming to build an anti-war coalition. Please read, feel free to comment, and forward freely. It is copied to email and attached. Thanks, Tom DeGloma TOWARDS WAR OR TOWARDS PEACE? How do we stop terrorism and war? Statement by Radical Expansion of Democracy (RED Collective) - based in Central Jersey. On September 11th, people all over the United States stood in horror as a vicious terrorist attack killed thousands of innocent civilians. This arbitrary mass murder provoked awe, sadness and anger in all of us as thousands of families lost their loved ones so unjustly. We, along with the overwhelming majority of peoples and nations, condemn terrorism and support the prosecution of those responsible for it. But we also want to know how this came to be and make sure that it never happens again. Government leaders and most commentators in the mainstream media insist that this was an "attack on freedom" and want the US to prepare for war and for the restriction of our civil liberties for "security". We feel that this response is not only dangerous, but that it does not address the root cause of terrorism. Why would ruthless terrorists target the World Trade Center and Pentagon? The World Trade Center represents the heart of world finance in the "New World Order" of growing inequality in the distribution of wealth and resources, where most people on the planet live in extreme poverty and very few are immensely rich.(i) The Pentagon is the heart of the US military that all too often is made to enforce foreign policies that benefit giant multinational corporations like big oil companies, international banks and the weapons industry at the expense of people living in other nations.(ii) In the Middle East, US foreign policy has angered hundreds of millions in the Arab nations who have come to view the United States as the proponent and facilitator of inequality and violence in their region (from the occupied Palestinian territories to the devastating ten-year embargo on Iraq). These people are frustrated by the unilateral influence that the US has wielded in their countries, and they fiercely resent their lack of power to control their own affairs. Worse still, in the late 1970s, in order to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and to guarantee multinational corporations access to oil in the region, US intelligence financed terrorist groups -including the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden- by giving them arms and training without thoughts to the long-term consequences.(iii) Since the end of the "cold war", US foreign policy has antagonized dozens of countries and billions of people. The US military bombed 8 different countries in the past ten years: Iraq (1991 - 2001), Sudan (8/20/1998), Afghanistan (8/20/1998), Yugoslavia (1999), and the following "accidentally": a Chinese embassy (5/7/1999), Pakistan (8/20/ 1998), Bulgaria (4/29/1999), and Vieques in Puerto Rico (4/19/ 1999).(iv) The US government also stations some 260,000 troops in over 100 nations around the world (v) and will hand 7.4 billion dollars in "military aid" to over 70 countries in 2001.(vi) In 1999, US military contractors sold 11.8 billion dollars worth of weapons all over the world, far more than any other nation.(vii) Since President Bush took office, our government has repeatedly bullied nations it calls "enemies" and alienated nations it calls "allies" by rejecting treaties supported by most countries in the world on the environment, nuclear testing, missile defense and by walking out on the UN global conference on racism. No other country in the world claims a unilateral right to determine the political and economic policies of all other nations. People all over the world who firmly oppose terrorism still resent the "New World Order" where the US government and military act as the sole superpower. This makes the current world situation unsustainable and dangerous to the people of the US as well as to the rest of the world. As long as we allow the US government, in our name, to conduct policies that promote inequality and war, we risk being targeted by terrorist violence and suffering the consequences of war as millions of people around the world do every day. The push in the US to go to war against all states where terrorists may reside threatens to aggravate world instability and risks provoking more attacks on US soil. The irresponsible statements by some former government officials could lead us in a possible world war. Lawrence Eagleburger, former Secretary of State under Bush Sr., told ABC News that the US response should be "irrational" even if it causes numerous innocent civilian deaths to the "enemy". History has illustrated that war may knock out one terrorist network but it will never stop terrorism altogether. Violence will only worsen the conditions that cause alienated individuals to join terrorist organizations. We must oppose the potential deaths of more innocent people at home and abroad. The entire people of any nation must not be punished for the vicious actions of a few extremists or irresponsible leaders. Right-wing commentators contend that terrorists attack freedom when they are the ones talking about restricting our civil liberties for "security" so they can persevere in their dangerous policies without the democratic participation of the people. Alexander Haig, former Secretary of State under Reagan, told CNN that "we cannot let social justice and civil liberties stand in the way of security". We must oppose any attempt to take away our civil liberties in the name of "national security". Our dire circumstances demand that we strengthen democracy and increase the active participation of all people in the country to find real solutions to the critical problems we face. In this threatening atmosphere, people of Middle Eastern descent and other foreign ancestry living in the US have been targeted and verbally or physically attacked. The answer to indiscriminate hate is not more indiscriminate hate. We must actively oppose all forms of racist retaliation against any and all people in this country. The RED Collective calls for the formation of an anti-war coalition to prevent a dangerous escalation of worldwide violence and to demand an immediate nationwide public debate on the role played by the US in the world and its consequences for all. We aim for this coalition to inform people of the global inequalities and military violence that threaten human safety and democracy in our country as well as in the rest of the world. The people of the US must recognize its collective responsibility to discontinue all US policies that aggravate inequality in the world and to replace them with policies aimed at repairing past injustices in order to realize the promise of democracy for all. For more information, go to www.yahoogroups.com/group/RedCollective or e-mail RedCollective@y... September 14, 2001 (i) "Half the world -- nearly three billion people -- live on less than two dollars a day and the GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of the poorest 48 nations (i.e. a quarter of the world's countries) is less than the wealth of the world's three richest people combined." (See The politics of hunger, Le Monde, November 1998; The 9th International Anti-Corruption Conference Plenary Address by James Wolfensohn, August 2000; 1999 Human Development Report, United Nations Development Program) For a comprehensive source reference, see http:// www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Facts.asp#1. (ii) See http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/ Spending.asp. "The US military budget is more than twenty-two times as large as the combined spending of the seven "rogue" states (Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan and Syria). It is more than the combined spending of the next fifteen nations. The USA spends more than the rest of the G7 countries combined. 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>Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of
>games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
i guess your satisfied with jerkin off fortunato - a guy who calls me a
short-pants communist - who would consider himself a success if schundler
won.
>I think I have an idea of what AB's line is.
you act like you don't have a clue. maybe you can share what you think
amiri's line is.
>My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans
>"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right".
when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen it, but
i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans but deny
them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up to republicans
& greens in the peoples campaign -yoU&S didn't go to print- and still today
with your soft line w/fortunato.
>I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
>on the Greens."
you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position that
you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt to have
him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he is.
>He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on
>why he would mash them together.
again, when/where?
>If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates but
>the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of
>attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, in the
>"Fake-Left").
i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. what does florida have to do
with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? greens are right before,
during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line of criticism.
what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir shouldn't have campaigned
florida? that doesn't solve anything, does it?
>Instead of goofing around, wasting time, why not answer the question or ask
>Cliff to & then we can have a real discussion. -Matt
who's goofing around & wasting time? who's the one jerkin around w/greens,
not me & cliff. let's revisit a section of your earlier postings:
>At such a time, it would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens >are
>right" line, as it would be a different party with a different
>leading ideology. It would still not be a replacement for the *mass*
>independant party that must & will eventually emerge from the united-
>front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now that)
what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually
emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start
organizing for this party? how will this party emerge besides "eventually"?
joe
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, vivaohio@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
>
>amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
> 1. peoples war on the right &
> 2. greens are right...
>is your line peoples war on the greens?
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
> >
> >It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
> >*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
> >cross-polinated sloganeering.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>
>'shd be' idealism is not the point.
>everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
>
>u&s line is: greens are right.
>tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
> >
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >
> > >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
>merely
> >admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them
>into
> >an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
> >endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
> >encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> > >
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
> >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
> > > >
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > >
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
> >their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > >
> > > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since
>an
> >honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
> >Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
> >party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
> >revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them
>a
> >better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
> >Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it
> >would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as
>it
> >would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
> >still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
> >will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens
> >think they are now that)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > > >
> > > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
> >humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one
> >progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
> >trust, to start." -ms
> > > > >
> > > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> > >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > > >
> > > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > > >
> > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > >
> > > > >cs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest
>assesment
> >of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
> >disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by
>the
> >Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
>"higher
> >office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
> >insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign,
>&
> >with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
> >Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election
>(a
> >gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce
>Afrin's
> >less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
> >spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign"
>rather
> >than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
> >(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
> >right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
>leading
> >us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been
>warning
> >the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
>suggesting
> >Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for
> >the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
> >hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who
>like
> >to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
> >Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge
>intentions
> >are *material results*.
> > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey
>holding
> >a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
> >points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
> >their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
>Party
> >for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the
>progressive
> >agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
> >spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
> >independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct
>allegations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we
> >can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> >Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
>
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>Dear Joe Smith, > I was told that you were asked to stop posting to >RUGreens by members of that organization. I've been asked to stop >replying to your posts on the listserve by RUGreens, and I agreed. is there something the matter with my posts? >Members of RUGreens have informed me they don't take you seriously. it is the peoples political development that the greens do not take seriously. organizing campaigns THAT CAN BE WON is the task of the progressive independent movement, greens or no greens. >Other activists involved in the NJPirgs informed me they don't take >you seriously. it's not me that's at issue, the peoples strategy for successful independent campaigns is the discussion - i would hope that "activists" would take this seriously. i support pirg's voter registration efforts in new brunswick. > However, I am not to sit by and allow you to constantly attack >the Green Party, or Ralph Nader, or anyone who disagrees with you, >but this will be the last time I do it on the RUGreens listserve. the green party attacks the people. the independent political movement is weaker because of nadir, not stronger. i will not stop pointing this out because it is a historic, present, and (by your attitude) future mistake that will cost the people their lives. > I will state this one last time. The Green Party is not bought >by special interest groups, such as the Sierra Club, or the NRA. It >is also against our the state and national by-laws to accept funding >from millionares or billionaires from GE or Nike seeking to keep >things the way status quo. this is not the point. the point is that greens run candidates in elections that they have no chance in winning and by doing so only strengthens the peoples most vicous enemy (see bush '00). what did coleman's campaign accomplish... besides taking much needed resources and pissing them in the wind? the greens are not progressive because their organizing efforts strengthen imperialism. not only are the greens not progressive they are counter-progressive, making it more difficult for the people to attack imperialism. > The GPNJ does not like electing Republicans or Democrats, neither do the people, but presently the peoples forces are not properly organized to launch a national or statewide offensive. and the people know this. the people realize they must defend themselves - which is why bush & schundler lost the vote. mcgreevey wasn't elected because people "like" electing him, he was elected to defend the people from schundler - can u dig? >if you look at the rest of www.realchange.org, you will see that it is >NOT >an Anti-Nader website, it a dirt sheet. You will see that other >candidates of the 2000 election had some skeltons in their closets, >but I think I will look into other news sources before I believe all >the statements at this website. i just forwarded the site - i didn't look into it... > Ralph Nader has his faults, just like any person. Perhaps Michael >Moore, Tim Robbins, Ani DiFranco, Patti Smith, and others were wrong >to help on his stadium tours, maybe they weren't, it's not up to me >to teach anyone how to think about Ralph Nader. all those energies should have been used to beat bush. greens could have won a campaign for mayor, but instead they robbed the progressive independent movement of resources and talent. > For the record, I do not, nor will I ever, buy stock in defense >companies. invest in peoples defense - that is what mcgreevey was, the peoples only tool to smash schundler and defend ourselves from the most right. > Finally, the Green Party in New Jersey and the United States is >only to get stronger, and only contest more elections and become >involved in more communities. Contact the Camden County chapter about >how work in the community, even though they do not contest elections >at this time. the green party is stronger? what happened to coleman... >Perhaps you'll hate us forever, maybe you won't. All I >ask is that you leave us alone. you are being challenged by reality, by the conditions that we live in. i will not have greens falsely claiming to represent the peoples independent movement when what they are doing is betraying the people. > Peacefully, > Ray Higbee i will forward you a piece by mao on only fighting battles that the people can win, otherwise you only strengthen your enemy. joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe- there's a fuzzy line btwn ultra-left & out-to-lunch...did you even read
my criticism of greens/nader that i posted? or do you just want to have a
smack mouth boxing match...
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From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@...
Subject: [nbpc] Re: Coleman for Governor
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:25:59 -0500
>Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of
>games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
i guess your satisfied with jerkin off fortunato - a guy who calls me a
short-pants communist - who would consider himself a success if schundler
won.
>I think I have an idea of what AB's line is.
you act like you don't have a clue. maybe you can share what you think
amiri's line is.
>My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans
>"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right".
when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen it, but
i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans but deny
them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up to republicans
& greens in the peoples campaign -yoU&S didn't go to print- and still today
with your soft line w/fortunato.
>I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
>on the Greens."
you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position that
you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt to have
him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he is.
>He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on
>why he would mash them together.
again, when/where?
>If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates but
>the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of
>attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, in
the
>"Fake-Left").
i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. what does florida have to do
with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? greens are right before,
during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line of criticism.
what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir shouldn't have campaigned
florida? that doesn't solve anything, does it?
>Instead of goofing around, wasting time, why not answer the question or
ask
>Cliff to & then we can have a real discussion. -Matt
who's goofing around & wasting time? who's the one jerkin around w/greens,
not me & cliff. let's revisit a section of your earlier postings:
>At such a time, it would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens >are
>right" line, as it would be a different party with a different
>leading ideology. It would still not be a replacement for the *mass*
>independant party that must & will eventually emerge from the united-
>front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now that)
what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually
emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start
organizing for this party? how will this party emerge besides "eventually"?
joe
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com,
vivaohio@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
>
>amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
> 1. peoples war on the right &
> 2. greens are right...
>is your line peoples war on the greens?
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
> >
> >It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
> >*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
> >cross-polinated sloganeering.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>
>'shd be' idealism is not the point.
>everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
>
>u&s line is: greens are right.
>tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
> >
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > >
> > >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
>merely
> >admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them
>into
> >an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning
yr
> >endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
> >encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> > >
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
> >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > >
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
> > > >
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > >
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
> >their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > >
> > > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since
>an
> >honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
> >Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
> >party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
> >revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them
>a
> >better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
> >Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time,
it
> >would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as
>it
> >would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
> >still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
> >will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the
Greens
> >think they are now that)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > > >
> > > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
> >humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is
one
> >progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
> >trust, to start." -ms
> > > > >
> > > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> > >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > > >
> > > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > > >
> > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > >
> > > > >cs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest
>assesment
> >of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
> >disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by
>the
> >Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
>"higher
> >office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
> >insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the
campaign,
>&
> >with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida
where
> >Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election
>(a
> >gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce
>Afrin's
> >less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are
merely
> >spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign"
>rather
> >than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
> >(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
> >right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
>leading
> >us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been
>warning
> >the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
>suggesting
> >Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect
for
> >the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
> >hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who
>like
> >to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
> >Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge
>intentions
> >are *material results*.
> > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey
>holding
> >a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
> >points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
> >their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
>Party
> >for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the
>progressive
> >agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
> >spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
> >independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct
>allegations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions,
we
> >can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this
race.
> >Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
>
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matt, where in this does it say to the greens they are right and therefore
greens are organizing against the peoples war on the right. greens
strengthen imperialism. they say yoU&S is wrong and that the people are
stronger than imperialism. greens are right. the green "concept" is
destroyed by their actions which weakens the peoples democratic struggle.
fuck the greens. greens openly attack U&S revolutionary strategy and betray
the people.WHY DIDN'T THE U&S ISSUE GO TO PRINT IN 2000 ELECTION?
build the Peoples Democratic Workers Party! joe
matt's original response to Joe Fortunato:
Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment of the role
of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bushs'election & the disasterous results
that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is
one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
trust, to start.
While Nader & Greens repeatedly insisted there was no difference btwn
"Bore & Gush" during the campaign, & with Nader campaigning throughout swing
states (*including Florida where Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks
leading up tho the election (a gross violation of his
campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's less-slick echo of
Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely spoon-fed only
defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather than real
substantive reflection. And this while these same forces (including
Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the right-wing Bush
family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading us to
economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning the
Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting
Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for the
intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party >hasn't
yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who like to quote
Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On Contradictions)--that
the "truest criteria with which to judge intentions are *material results*.
> > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > >
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
Joe- there's a fuzzy line btwn ultra-left & out-to-lunch...did you even read
my criticism of greens/nader that i posted? or do you just want to have a
smack mouth boxing match...
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, amirib@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:25:59 -0500
>
>
> >Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of
> >games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
>
>i guess your satisfied with jerkin off fortunato - a guy who calls me a
>short-pants communist - who would consider himself a success if schundler
>won.
>
>
> >I think I have an idea of what AB's line is.
>
>you act like you don't have a clue. maybe you can share what you think
>amiri's line is.
>
>
> >My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans
> >"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right".
>
>when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen it,
>but
>i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans but deny
>them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up to republicans
>& greens in the peoples campaign -yoU&S didn't go to print- and still today
>with your soft line w/fortunato.
>
>
> >I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
> >on the Greens."
>
>you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position that
>you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt to have
>him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he is.
>
>
> >He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on
> >why he would mash them together.
>
>again, when/where?
>
>
> >If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates
>but
> >the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of
> >attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, in
>the
> >"Fake-Left").
>
>i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. what does florida have to do
>with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? greens are right
>before,
>during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line of criticism.
>what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir shouldn't have campaigned
>florida? that doesn't solve anything, does it?
>
>
> >Instead of goofing around, wasting time, why not answer the question or
>ask
> >Cliff to & then we can have a real discussion. -Matt
>
>who's goofing around & wasting time? who's the one jerkin around w/greens,
>not me & cliff. let's revisit a section of your earlier postings:
> >At such a time, it would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens
> >are
> >right" line, as it would be a different party with a different
> >leading ideology. It would still not be a replacement for the *mass*
> >independant party that must & will eventually emerge from the united-
> >front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now that)
>
>what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually
>emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start
>organizing for this party? how will this party emerge besides "eventually"?
>
>joe
>
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com,
>vivaohio@...
> >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
> >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
> >
> >amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
> > 1. peoples war on the right &
> > 2. greens are right...
> >is your line peoples war on the greens?
> >
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >
> >"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
> > >
> > >It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly:
>"Is
> > >*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
> > >cross-polinated sloganeering.
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> >
> >'shd be' idealism is not the point.
> >everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
> >
> >u&s line is: greens are right.
> >tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
> >
> >peoples' war on the right.
> >combat liberalism.
> >
> > >
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >
> >The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
> >
> >Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > >
> > > >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
> >merely
> > >admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them
> >into
> > >an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning
>yr
> > >endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
> > >encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> > > >
> >greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
> >
> >u&s' line is: greens are right.
> >
> >yr argument is w/ u&s.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > >
> >My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
> >organization has competing ideologies.
> > > > >
> >I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an
>out.
> >That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
> >
> >Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
> >
> >Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
> >also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
> >
> >you lost me...MS
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > > >
> >u&s line: greens are right.
> >
> >yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
> >w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
> >non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
> >
> >("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
> >
> >yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
> > >their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > > > >
> > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion
>since
> >an
> > >honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of
>the
> > >Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of
>the
> > >party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right &
>for
> > >revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider
>them
> >a
> > >better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
> > >Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time,
>it
> > >would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line,
>as
> >it
> > >would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It
>would
> > >still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must
>&
> > >will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the
>Greens
> > >think they are now that)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader
>in
> > > > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
> > >humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is
>one
> > >progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack
>of
> > >trust, to start." -ms
> > > > > >
> > > > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> > > >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >cs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest
> >assesment
> > >of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
> > >disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward
>by
> >the
> > >Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
> >"higher
> > >office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
> > >insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the
>campaign,
> >&
> > >with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida
>where
> > >Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the
>election
> >(a
> > >gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce
> >Afrin's
> > >less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are
>merely
> > >spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign"
> >rather
> > >than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
> > >(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
> > >right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
> >leading
> > >us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been
> >warning
> > >the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
> >suggesting
> > >Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect
>for
> > >the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
> > >hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who
> >like
> > >to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
> > >Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge
> >intentions
> > >are *material results*.
> > > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey
> >holding
> > >a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
> > >points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not
>vote
> > >their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
> >Party
> > >for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the
> >progressive
> > >agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
> > >spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
> > >independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct
> >allegations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions,
>we
> > >can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this
>race.
> > >Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
> >
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This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... knock, knock, knock... can_bush@... In Sweeping Campus Canvasses, U.S. Checks on Mideast Students November 12, 2001 By JACQUES STEINBERG Investigators have contacted administrators at more than 200 colleges to collect information about students from Middle Eastern countries. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/national/12STUD.html?ex=1006748363&ei=1&en=20ed80fd399ec7c3 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
all answers to matt's questions are in order below this brief statement sword's line is: to apply revolutionary democratic struggle/strategy to defend, build, & support independent political campaigns where they can win & where they will serve the people. -ras baraka may2002 -nb peoples campaign nov.2002 to pin the democrats on the republicans in elections that only one of the two can win. to build the Peoples Democratic Workers Party as put forward by U&S. to expose all opportunist counterfeit Fake Left people, positions, and organizations. to embrace and put forward U&S' call "revolutionaries unite". to unite with and to put forward U&S at the highest level possible, sword maintains that our edit board participation would only strengthen U&S. why do you lay down to the greens over & over matt? they are not revolutionaries, they are not progressive... they are right wing frauds. & if you are going to agree that you consider them to be right, why didn't YOU print U&S 2000? -joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Cliff & Joe- at the risk of doing an injustice to a great poem, i find the >form effective: as lond as you answer my question. >Why do you avoid the questions I raised? (Is "Peoples War on Greens" your >line?) at first i thought you were just an idiot for asking. the answer is no that is not sword's line. attacking the greens is a small, but necessary, aspect of the peoples war on the right. not because sword wants to attack greens because we are ulta-left, but because the greens put themselves in the line of fire. the most dangerous of enemies is someone you think is on your side - that is why the greens must be exposed ruthlessly along with your undying support of them. i was fine with organizing to defeat bush but the greens say i'm wrong and bush is now president & you're the one that didn't press print. >Why do you answer with more questions & accusations but not answers? who's the one with all the questions? i got answers... but you should take the time to go back and answer my questions from the other post which you replied to with your threat. >Why do you want to look for something to fight about, rather than explore >what we can come to agreement on? you sign "Unity & Struggle" to your opportunist, non-revolutionary position on why you won't vote green. i've heard democrats offer more progressive criticisms of the greens. >Why do you seem like you want to pick a fight more than resolve anything? who is picking a fight? resolve anything like what? what do you want to resolve... >Why do these things keep going in circles? because for the last six years you have been sabotoging U&S' production, U&S' distribution, & U&S' line and i don't have any reason to think that you have or will stop. you blame njfo because you didn't press the print button in 2000. you blame fraud because you upheld the boycott position in 96. you sat thousands of U&S papers in YOUR hale st apt that YOU wouldn't let me distribute and that were never distributed by you. you built up republican curtis for these same six years into a city council candidate in '00 that effectively got frank bright onto the NB housing authority. and today you claim to represent the same trend as amiri even though since you've known amiri all you have done is sabatoge and disrupt his paper and revolutionary line. i am not the one going in circles. where is your line on the RED collective - who they are & where did they come from & what is there relationship to U&S, revolutionary democratic struggle (& strategy), & the NB republicans. >Why do we consistantly fail to comunicate on email? i am communicating my ideas... >Why don't these line struggles get resolved on email? ever? what is the line struggle you are looking to resolve? >Why do we go on like this on email, then never address any of this in >person like it's not there? you throw me & cliff out of every organization i argue with you in. what do you suggest i do? i am willing to discuss and argue my positions, would you like to set a date or event. >Why do these debates take the form of a disfunctional family squabble? >often... i don't see it. >Why did Joe invent a senario that I asked AB a question that I really asked >Cliff? because your question is with amiri/U&S: does peoples war on the right & greens are right (both lines put forward by U&S) = peoples war on the greens. you have not shown me where cliff has "mashed" these lines... >Why did Joe respond with smack mouth verbal boxing when I ask him why? "or do you just want to have a smack mouth boxing match..." what does smack mouth boxing mean to you? >Why did Joe pretend that my pointing this out was a threat to him? i do not pretend anything, don't bring shit up talking about smackin people. >Why do you & Joe keep sending these sad intercoursed to Amiri & other >people who probably don't have this kind of time to waste? why do you care? >Why do you mash "Greens are right...Peoples War on the Right" & then refuse >to acknowledge if your line is "Peoples War on the Greens"? what is your craze with this matt? where has cliff or myself mashed these slogans? reality points out that the greens are right and therefor must be absorbed just as all right organizations into the peoples war on the right. that is why U&S has them as part of the fake left umbrella. what do you think? >Why do you then act as if this contrived formulation is U&S' position? when did i act as if this is U&S' position? >Why do you say that we shouldn't look for revolutionary democratic >tendencies within the Greens to unite with while being critical of the >right-liberal line? you are the only person i know that says there is anything revolutionary about the greens. U&S SAYS "GREENS ARE RIGHT" >Why do you equate this to being "conciliatory" & "holding hands" of the >right? because matt, GREENS ARE RIGHT. they attack U&S' revolutionary strategy and say that the people are stronger than imperialism. but you falsely put forward that there are revolutionary democratic alliances that you can make. where are the RD alliances but in your head? >Why do you not respond to AB's statement pointing out that it's the line >that should be attacked. i do not understand what you are asking. "its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB >Why do you not see that I was criticizing the same right-liberal line that >you strangely claim that i was upholding when this unproductive (yet again) >exchange started? because you weren't. you never told fortunato that he is right wing in your response to his post. nor did you say greens are right. >Why do you feel that you have to keep explaining my positions to Amiri, as >if I don't have a working relationship with the man? because you lie and blame others for your mistakes once nobody's around to say otherwise. >Why do you think he can't figure me out on his own? who said he couldn't? >Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the >principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle? it doesn't. you have for years and continue to disrupt unity with me & cliff to serve your own opportunist ends. i am just pointing things out as they go from here on. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe- thanks for responding. i have my own ideas for some of the answers to
these questions that will obviously differ from yours, but thats how it
goes--
For instance, as to why we never resolve these lines on email,i think is
because this forum is totally removed from practice.
AS for why "mash"-sloganeering "Greens are right...people's war on right"
leads to the conclusion "peoples war on the greens" because in math, a
formula that says if a=b & b=c, necessarily implies that a=c.
Since ideology doesn't stem from slogans, it is helpful to make your
postions clear rather than wave slogans.
Also, because my position, and what I interpret from AB's statement
"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"
is that it is a question of lines, not 'structures'...so I unite with SWORD
in opposing right-wing liberalism within the Green Party, as elsewhere. I
disagree with SWORD when you attack people for attempting to unite with
Revolutionary Democratic tendencies within the membership. This is
ultra-leftism. Joe, you said "i do not understand what you are asking."
Well, I hope its more clear, as this is the heart of the matter.
As for my raising the question to Cliff, it was to Cliff. Not to AB. This
isn't the first time you used this tactic. It just creates confusion and
resolves nothing.
>- that is why the greens must be exposed ruthlessly along with your undying
>support of them.
What in the world are you talking about? Material reality does not follow
the imagination, principally.
>you throw me & cliff out of every organization i argue with you in. what do
>you suggest i do? i am willing to discuss and argue my positions, would you
>like to set a date or event.
I think this is part of why we have a difficult time organizing
together...we fought with NBPC & NJFO to retract SWORD's ban--admitting the
error--to the point of a split with them. If you can't acknowledge this,
how can we ever lay a real basis for unity? (I'd really appreciate a
response to this) However, we must agree to disagree on the *history*
regarding Curtis. The accustations of "sabotage" are as out-to-lunch as
ever & not worth addressing anymore.
>Why do these debates take the form of a disfunctional family squabble?
>often... "i don't see it."
It's pretty obvious to alot of people...but whatever.
>Why did Joe respond with smack mouth verbal boxing when I ask him why?
> "or do you just want to have a smack mouth boxing match..."
Give me a break, Joe- this was a reference to your tone to me, not a threat.
Sorry to create that misunderstanding.
>Why do you mash "Greens are right...Peoples War on the Right" & then
refuse
>to acknowledge if your line is "Peoples War on the Greens"?
>(Joe wrote:) what is your craze with this matt? where has cliff or myself
>mashed these slogans? reality points out that the greens are right and
>therefor must be absorbed just as all right organizations into the peoples
>war on the right. that is why U&S has them as part of the fake left
>umbrella. what do you think?
Again, we agree that the Green Party must be struggled against when it
follows right-liberalism & objectively serves the goals of
right-imperialism. But they are not imperialists. Therefor, we must look
for & embrace revo-dem tendencies within the party (dialectically speaking,
it must exist) & uphold those tendencies, while encouraging the party to
embrace our call for a left-bloc against fascism. Our lines do not follow
our slogans! & the *sloganeering-style* formula "Greens are right...Peoples
war against the right" that came repeatedly from Cliff leads to the
conclusion that you are calling for "Peoples War against the Greens". Is
this a stretch ("idiotic"?)since at the same time I was attacked by Cliff
for attempting to reach out to Rev-Dem tendencies within the membership?
It's an obvious conclusion. It's worse still since Cliff's written form
seemed to attribute this ultra-left formula to U&S.
BTW- has Cliff answered the question yet himself?
>Why do you not see that I was criticizing the same right-liberal line
that >you strangely claim that i was upholding when this unproductive (yet
again) >exchange started?
>(Joe) because you weren't. you never told fortunato that he is right wing
in your response to his post. nor did you say greens are right.
I argued a position critical of right-liberalism within the Green Party with
historic references & facts, if you read my post. I don't argue from
slogans, which is simplistic & misleading (see Mao) & not uncommon on this
egroup list.
>Why do you feel that you have to keep explaining my positions to Amiri, as
>if I don't have a working relationship with the man?
(Joe) because you lie and blame others for your mistakes once nobody's
around to say otherwise.
That's ridiculous.
>Why do you think he can't figure me out on his own?
(Joe) who said he couldn't?
You seem to think that you need to explain who I am to him frequently.
What's strange (& amusing, only because it's so strange)is who you think I
am.... but again, there's too much been removed from practice to sort it
out, I think.
>Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the
>principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle?
(Joe) it doesn't.
It should.
-Matt
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respond to my entire post.
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, keithjoseph@...,
>cliffsmith69@..., tamaradahan@..., amirib@...
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: Why's
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:59:30
>
>Joe- thanks for responding. i have my own ideas for some of the answers to
>these questions that will obviously differ from yours, but thats how it
>goes--
>
>For instance, as to why we never resolve these lines on email,i think is
>because this forum is totally removed from practice.
>
>AS for why "mash"-sloganeering "Greens are right...people's war on right"
>leads to the conclusion "peoples war on the greens" because in math, a
>formula that says if a=b & b=c, necessarily implies that a=c.
>Since ideology doesn't stem from slogans, it is helpful to make your
>postions clear rather than wave slogans.
>
>Also, because my position, and what I interpret from AB's statement
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"
>is that it is a question of lines, not 'structures'...so I unite with SWORD
>in opposing right-wing liberalism within the Green Party, as elsewhere. I
>disagree with SWORD when you attack people for attempting to unite with
>Revolutionary Democratic tendencies within the membership. This is
>ultra-leftism. Joe, you said "i do not understand what you are asking."
>Well, I hope its more clear, as this is the heart of the matter.
>
>As for my raising the question to Cliff, it was to Cliff. Not to AB. This
>isn't the first time you used this tactic. It just creates confusion and
>resolves nothing.
>
> >- that is why the greens must be exposed ruthlessly along with your
>undying
> >support of them.
>
>What in the world are you talking about? Material reality does not follow
>the imagination, principally.
>
> >you throw me & cliff out of every organization i argue with you in. what
>do
> >you suggest i do? i am willing to discuss and argue my positions, would
>you
> >like to set a date or event.
>
>I think this is part of why we have a difficult time organizing
>together...we fought with NBPC & NJFO to retract SWORD's ban--admitting the
>error--to the point of a split with them. If you can't acknowledge this,
>how can we ever lay a real basis for unity? (I'd really appreciate a
>response to this) However, we must agree to disagree on the *history*
>regarding Curtis. The accustations of "sabotage" are as out-to-lunch as
>ever & not worth addressing anymore.
>
> >Why do these debates take the form of a disfunctional family squabble?
> >often... "i don't see it."
>
>It's pretty obvious to alot of people...but whatever.
>
> >Why did Joe respond with smack mouth verbal boxing when I ask him why?
> > "or do you just want to have a smack mouth boxing match..."
>
>Give me a break, Joe- this was a reference to your tone to me, not a
>threat.
> Sorry to create that misunderstanding.
>
>
> >Why do you mash "Greens are right...Peoples War on the Right" & then
>refuse
> >to acknowledge if your line is "Peoples War on the Greens"?
>
> >(Joe wrote:) what is your craze with this matt? where has cliff or myself
> >mashed these slogans? reality points out that the greens are right and
> >therefor must be absorbed just as all right organizations into the
>peoples
> >war on the right. that is why U&S has them as part of the fake left
> >umbrella. what do you think?
>
>Again, we agree that the Green Party must be struggled against when it
>follows right-liberalism & objectively serves the goals of
>right-imperialism. But they are not imperialists. Therefor, we must look
>for & embrace revo-dem tendencies within the party (dialectically speaking,
>it must exist) & uphold those tendencies, while encouraging the party to
>embrace our call for a left-bloc against fascism. Our lines do not follow
>our slogans! & the *sloganeering-style* formula "Greens are
>right...Peoples
>war against the right" that came repeatedly from Cliff leads to the
>conclusion that you are calling for "Peoples War against the Greens". Is
>this a stretch ("idiotic"?)since at the same time I was attacked by Cliff
>for attempting to reach out to Rev-Dem tendencies within the membership?
>It's an obvious conclusion. It's worse still since Cliff's written form
>seemed to attribute this ultra-left formula to U&S.
>
>BTW- has Cliff answered the question yet himself?
>
>
> >Why do you not see that I was criticizing the same right-liberal line
>that >you strangely claim that i was upholding when this unproductive (yet
>again) >exchange started?
>
> >(Joe) because you weren't. you never told fortunato that he is right
>wing
>in your response to his post. nor did you say greens are right.
>
>I argued a position critical of right-liberalism within the Green Party
>with
>historic references & facts, if you read my post. I don't argue from
>slogans, which is simplistic & misleading (see Mao) & not uncommon on this
>egroup list.
>
> >Why do you feel that you have to keep explaining my positions to Amiri,
>as
> >if I don't have a working relationship with the man?
>
>(Joe) because you lie and blame others for your mistakes once nobody's
>around to say otherwise.
>
>That's ridiculous.
>
> >Why do you think he can't figure me out on his own?
>
>(Joe) who said he couldn't?
>
>You seem to think that you need to explain who I am to him frequently.
>What's strange (& amusing, only because it's so strange)is who you think I
>am.... but again, there's too much been removed from practice to sort it
>out, I think.
>
> >Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the
> >principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle?
>
>(Joe) it doesn't.
>
>It should.
>
>-Matt
>
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----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: [nbpc] Re: Why's Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:46:34 -0500 >respond to my entire post. how's this: > > > >My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans > >"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right". > >when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen it, See my last post >i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans but deny >them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up to republicans >& greens in the peoples campaign I think we've beat this horse to death. -yoU&S didn't go to print- and still today >with your soft line w/fortunato. Same. See my last post > > > >I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war > >on the Greens." > >you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position that >you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt to have >him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he is. > That's interesting speculation. I'm still wondering what Cliff's line is. Btw- if your line isn't "Peoples war against the Greens" then why the hostility at the idea of embracing revo-democratic tendencies within the membership where they exist while being critical of right-liberalism? > > >If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates but > >the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of > >attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, in >the > >"Fake-Left"). > >i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. My behavior?! >what does florida have to do >with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? Material results are the best judge of intentions. greens are right before, >during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line of criticism. I think I've explained it... >what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir shouldn't have campaigned >florida? that doesn't solve anything, does it? > > How about what happens if they acknowledge that running Nadir was a right-liberal error & helped Bush win the election? What happens if there is a sharpened line struggle within the Green party along this line? What happens if the Revolutionary democratic line prevails? What happens if they agree to join a left-bloc united-front against fascism? > >what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually >emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start >organizing for this party? This is a semantical argument >how will this party emerge besides "eventually"? By putting unity before struggle & struggle as the *basis* for advancing unity Looking foward to your reply to this & my last post. To reiterate: if your line isn't "Peoples war against the Greens" then why the hostility at the idea of embracing revo-democratic tendencies within the membership where they exist while being critical of right-liberalism? -Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
@ c.2001 The Boston Globe@ Gil Scott-Heron is sitting in a jail cell, and I want to say it's because he spoke too much truth for too long. >I want to convince myself that a judge last week sentenced him to prison >because for 30 years he has been the teacher, preacher, and poet of black >America, and that's what happens to brothers who are intelligent, >outspoken, and dangerous to a system that seeks to muzzle and minimize its >critics. I need to believe that this is the fierce tax paid by those who >rage against the machine. But Gil Scott-Heron is not a political prisoner, >and there is nothing noble in his imprisonment. Like too many before him, >he's been brought low by drugs. Scott-Heron, 52, was sentenced to one to >three years after a felony conviction for possession of cocaine. He could >have avoided doing time; all he had to do was keep a promise made last July >to get himself into a drug-treatment program after returning from a >European tour. But he broke his promise, didn't get the help he needs to >corral a years-long addiction to crack, and even disregarded his September >court date. By the time he showed up in court last week, New York State >Supreme Court Justice Carol Berkman was fed up. "You've had all these >opportunities to help yourself," she told Scott-Heron, "and you just don't >seem to care." We can accept our prophets as martyrs, but not as junkies. >Yes, we'd heard and read the stories about Scott-Heron's disintegration >into a toothless, hollowed-out mess. But it was hard to fathom that a man >who warned of substances in songs like "The Bottle" and "Angel Dust" would >tumble into the same stupid trap that had claimed so many. For before he >squandered his gifts in a crack-pipe haze, Scott-Heron made music that >could soothe your soul or save your life. If, as Chuck D once famously >said, rap music was "black America's CNN," then Scott-Heron was its Walter >Cronkite. With a series of provocative albums and songs challenging >injustice, racism, and apartheid, he emerged as the most trenchant >commentator on America's roiling sociopolitical brew in the 1970s and >1980s. Whether he sang or recited his words, they scorched the >consciousness and ignited dormant minds. Often, his titles alone said more >than other songwriters could muster in an entire song. "Whitey on the Moon" >contrasted America's obsession with space travel with inner cities >withering from neglect. "H2Ogate Blues" deftly ripped disgraced President >Richard Nixon, while "We Almost Lost Detroit" considered the possibility of >obliteration in a nuclear accident. Calling himself "an interpreter of the >black experience," the Chicago-born Scott-Heron teamed with his college >pal, pianist Brian Jackson. Their combination of spare jazz-soul riffs and >fiery rhetoric reminiscent of Amiri Baraka and Don L. Lee proved a potent >mixture that attracted jazz, rock, and R & B audiences. His best-known >composition, "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised," was a showcase for his >whip-smart wit, brimming with pop-culture references to Willie Mays and >Bullwinkle, Jackie Onassis and Johnny Cash. It remains an anthem of >defiance, the feverish sound of oppression, frustration, and upheaval. That >song, and indeed most of his work, became the blueprint for rap music, and >Scott-Heron is now recognized as one of the progenitors of hip-hop. His >influence is most apparent in (among others) Chuck D, Michael Franti of >Spearhead, Black Thought of the Roots, and Zack de la Rocha, formerly of >Rage Against the Machine. He remains the touchstone for angry, righteous >thinkers, and those convinced their gift for words should not become >poison-for-profit. And now, Scott-Heron is just another junkie in a jail >cell. Once an urban-America John the Baptist, he has become a Judas >betraying his talents, his body, and his soul. Though Scott-Heron has >always inexplicably denied having a drug problem, perhaps he can now get >the help he desperately needs because we still desperately need him. With >crisis and chaos choking the air, we need, more than ever, Scott-Heron's >brilliant voice and electric spirit, even as we now sadly recognize that, >for many years, it was our great street savior who needed saving most of >all. NYT-11-06-01 1318EST _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
"AS for why "mash"-sloganeering "Greens are right...people's war on right"
leads to the conclusion "peoples war on the greens" because in math, a
formula that says if a=b & b=c, necessarily implies that a=c."
-ms
this from the 'dialectician' who paints me 'mechanical'...
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, keithjoseph@...,
>cliffsmith69@..., tamaradahan@..., amirib@...
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: Why's
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:59:30
>
>Joe- thanks for responding. i have my own ideas for some of the answers to
>these questions that will obviously differ from yours, but thats how it
>goes--
>
>For instance, as to why we never resolve these lines on email,i think is
>because this forum is totally removed from practice.
>
>AS for why "mash"-sloganeering "Greens are right...people's war on right"
>leads to the conclusion "peoples war on the greens" because in math, a
>formula that says if a=b & b=c, necessarily implies that a=c.
>Since ideology doesn't stem from slogans, it is helpful to make your
>postions clear rather than wave slogans.
>
>Also, because my position, and what I interpret from AB's statement
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"
>is that it is a question of lines, not 'structures'...so I unite with SWORD
>in opposing right-wing liberalism within the Green Party, as elsewhere. I
>disagree with SWORD when you attack people for attempting to unite with
>Revolutionary Democratic tendencies within the membership. This is
>ultra-leftism. Joe, you said "i do not understand what you are asking."
>Well, I hope its more clear, as this is the heart of the matter.
>
>As for my raising the question to Cliff, it was to Cliff. Not to AB. This
>isn't the first time you used this tactic. It just creates confusion and
>resolves nothing.
>
> >- that is why the greens must be exposed ruthlessly along with your
>undying
> >support of them.
>
>What in the world are you talking about? Material reality does not follow
>the imagination, principally.
>
> >you throw me & cliff out of every organization i argue with you in. what
>do
> >you suggest i do? i am willing to discuss and argue my positions, would
>you
> >like to set a date or event.
>
>I think this is part of why we have a difficult time organizing
>together...we fought with NBPC & NJFO to retract SWORD's ban--admitting the
>error--to the point of a split with them. If you can't acknowledge this,
>how can we ever lay a real basis for unity? (I'd really appreciate a
>response to this) However, we must agree to disagree on the *history*
>regarding Curtis. The accustations of "sabotage" are as out-to-lunch as
>ever & not worth addressing anymore.
>
> >Why do these debates take the form of a disfunctional family squabble?
> >often... "i don't see it."
>
>It's pretty obvious to alot of people...but whatever.
>
> >Why did Joe respond with smack mouth verbal boxing when I ask him why?
> > "or do you just want to have a smack mouth boxing match..."
>
>Give me a break, Joe- this was a reference to your tone to me, not a
>threat.
> Sorry to create that misunderstanding.
>
>
> >Why do you mash "Greens are right...Peoples War on the Right" & then
>refuse
> >to acknowledge if your line is "Peoples War on the Greens"?
>
> >(Joe wrote:) what is your craze with this matt? where has cliff or myself
> >mashed these slogans? reality points out that the greens are right and
> >therefor must be absorbed just as all right organizations into the
>peoples
> >war on the right. that is why U&S has them as part of the fake left
> >umbrella. what do you think?
>
>Again, we agree that the Green Party must be struggled against when it
>follows right-liberalism & objectively serves the goals of
>right-imperialism. But they are not imperialists. Therefor, we must look
>for & embrace revo-dem tendencies within the party (dialectically speaking,
>it must exist) & uphold those tendencies, while encouraging the party to
>embrace our call for a left-bloc against fascism. Our lines do not follow
>our slogans! & the *sloganeering-style* formula "Greens are
>right...Peoples
>war against the right" that came repeatedly from Cliff leads to the
>conclusion that you are calling for "Peoples War against the Greens". Is
>this a stretch ("idiotic"?)since at the same time I was attacked by Cliff
>for attempting to reach out to Rev-Dem tendencies within the membership?
>It's an obvious conclusion. It's worse still since Cliff's written form
>seemed to attribute this ultra-left formula to U&S.
>
>BTW- has Cliff answered the question yet himself?
>
>
> >Why do you not see that I was criticizing the same right-liberal line
>that >you strangely claim that i was upholding when this unproductive (yet
>again) >exchange started?
>
> >(Joe) because you weren't. you never told fortunato that he is right
>wing
>in your response to his post. nor did you say greens are right.
>
>I argued a position critical of right-liberalism within the Green Party
>with
>historic references & facts, if you read my post. I don't argue from
>slogans, which is simplistic & misleading (see Mao) & not uncommon on this
>egroup list.
>
> >Why do you feel that you have to keep explaining my positions to Amiri,
>as
> >if I don't have a working relationship with the man?
>
>(Joe) because you lie and blame others for your mistakes once nobody's
>around to say otherwise.
>
>That's ridiculous.
>
> >Why do you think he can't figure me out on his own?
>
>(Joe) who said he couldn't?
>
>You seem to think that you need to explain who I am to him frequently.
>What's strange (& amusing, only because it's so strange)is who you think I
>am.... but again, there's too much been removed from practice to sort it
>out, I think.
>
> >Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the
> >principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle?
>
>(Joe) it doesn't.
>
>It should.
>
>-Matt
>
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"why the hostility at the idea of embracing revo-democratic tendencies within the membership where they exist..." -ms identify these 'tendencies', materialist. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Fwd: [nbpc] Re: Why's >Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 01:41:22 > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Why's >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:46:34 -0500 > > >respond to my entire post. > > > >how's this: > > > > > > > > >My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans > > >"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right". > > > >when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen it, > > >See my last post > > > >i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans but deny > >them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up to >republicans > >& greens in the peoples campaign > > >I think we've beat this horse to death. > > >-yoU&S didn't go to print- and still today > >with your soft line w/fortunato. > > >Same. See my last post > > > > > > > >I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war > > >on the Greens." > > > >you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position >that > >you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt to >have > >him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he is. > > > >That's interesting speculation. I'm still wondering what Cliff's line is. >Btw- if your line isn't "Peoples war against the Greens" then why the >hostility at the idea of embracing revo-democratic tendencies within the >membership where they exist while being critical of right-liberalism? > > > > > > > >If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates >but > > >the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of > > >attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, >in > >the > > >"Fake-Left"). > > > >i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. > > >My behavior?! > > > >what does florida have to do > >with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? > > >Material results are the best judge of intentions. > > >greens are right before, > >during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line of >criticism. > > >I think I've explained it... > > > >what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir shouldn't have >campaigned > >florida? that doesn't solve anything, does it? > > > > > >How about what happens if they acknowledge that running Nadir was a >right-liberal error & helped Bush win the election? What happens if there >is a sharpened line struggle within the Green party along this line? What >happens if the Revolutionary democratic line prevails? What happens if >they >agree to join a left-bloc united-front against fascism? > > > > > > >what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually > >emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start > >organizing for this party? > >This is a semantical argument > > > >how will this party emerge besides "eventually"? > > >By putting unity before struggle & struggle as the *basis* for advancing >unity > > >Looking foward to your reply to this & my last post. > >To reiterate: if your line isn't "Peoples war against the Greens" then why >the hostility at the idea of embracing revo-democratic tendencies within >the >membership where they exist while being critical of right-liberalism? > >-Matt > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
i responded clearly to your entire posts & you should respond to my entire
post so any parts of the conversation will not be ducked by you or i. so i
will resend two posts - the one you responded to with a threat & the one
that is a response to your why's. joe
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, keithjoseph@...,
>cliffsmith69@..., tamaradahan@..., amirib@...
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: Why's
>Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:59:30
>
>Joe- thanks for responding. i have my own ideas for some of the answers to
>these questions that will obviously differ from yours, but thats how it
>goes--
>
>For instance, as to why we never resolve these lines on email,i think is
>because this forum is totally removed from practice.
>
>AS for why "mash"-sloganeering "Greens are right...people's war on right"
>leads to the conclusion "peoples war on the greens" because in math, a
>formula that says if a=b & b=c, necessarily implies that a=c.
>Since ideology doesn't stem from slogans, it is helpful to make your
>postions clear rather than wave slogans.
>
>Also, because my position, and what I interpret from AB's statement
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"
>is that it is a question of lines, not 'structures'...so I unite with SWORD
>in opposing right-wing liberalism within the Green Party, as elsewhere. I
>disagree with SWORD when you attack people for attempting to unite with
>Revolutionary Democratic tendencies within the membership. This is
>ultra-leftism. Joe, you said "i do not understand what you are asking."
>Well, I hope its more clear, as this is the heart of the matter.
>
>As for my raising the question to Cliff, it was to Cliff. Not to AB. This
>isn't the first time you used this tactic. It just creates confusion and
>resolves nothing.
>
> >- that is why the greens must be exposed ruthlessly along with your
>undying
> >support of them.
>
>What in the world are you talking about? Material reality does not follow
>the imagination, principally.
>
> >you throw me & cliff out of every organization i argue with you in. what
>do
> >you suggest i do? i am willing to discuss and argue my positions, would
>you
> >like to set a date or event.
>
>I think this is part of why we have a difficult time organizing
>together...we fought with NBPC & NJFO to retract SWORD's ban--admitting the
>error--to the point of a split with them. If you can't acknowledge this,
>how can we ever lay a real basis for unity? (I'd really appreciate a
>response to this) However, we must agree to disagree on the *history*
>regarding Curtis. The accustations of "sabotage" are as out-to-lunch as
>ever & not worth addressing anymore.
>
> >Why do these debates take the form of a disfunctional family squabble?
> >often... "i don't see it."
>
>It's pretty obvious to alot of people...but whatever.
>
> >Why did Joe respond with smack mouth verbal boxing when I ask him why?
> > "or do you just want to have a smack mouth boxing match..."
>
>Give me a break, Joe- this was a reference to your tone to me, not a
>threat.
> Sorry to create that misunderstanding.
>
>
> >Why do you mash "Greens are right...Peoples War on the Right" & then
>refuse
> >to acknowledge if your line is "Peoples War on the Greens"?
>
> >(Joe wrote:) what is your craze with this matt? where has cliff or myself
> >mashed these slogans? reality points out that the greens are right and
> >therefor must be absorbed just as all right organizations into the
>peoples
> >war on the right. that is why U&S has them as part of the fake left
> >umbrella. what do you think?
>
>Again, we agree that the Green Party must be struggled against when it
>follows right-liberalism & objectively serves the goals of
>right-imperialism. But they are not imperialists. Therefor, we must look
>for & embrace revo-dem tendencies within the party (dialectically speaking,
>it must exist) & uphold those tendencies, while encouraging the party to
>embrace our call for a left-bloc against fascism. Our lines do not follow
>our slogans! & the *sloganeering-style* formula "Greens are
>right...Peoples
>war against the right" that came repeatedly from Cliff leads to the
>conclusion that you are calling for "Peoples War against the Greens". Is
>this a stretch ("idiotic"?)since at the same time I was attacked by Cliff
>for attempting to reach out to Rev-Dem tendencies within the membership?
>It's an obvious conclusion. It's worse still since Cliff's written form
>seemed to attribute this ultra-left formula to U&S.
>
>BTW- has Cliff answered the question yet himself?
>
>
> >Why do you not see that I was criticizing the same right-liberal line
>that >you strangely claim that i was upholding when this unproductive (yet
>again) >exchange started?
>
> >(Joe) because you weren't. you never told fortunato that he is right
>wing
>in your response to his post. nor did you say greens are right.
>
>I argued a position critical of right-liberalism within the Green Party
>with
>historic references & facts, if you read my post. I don't argue from
>slogans, which is simplistic & misleading (see Mao) & not uncommon on this
>egroup list.
>
> >Why do you feel that you have to keep explaining my positions to Amiri,
>as
> >if I don't have a working relationship with the man?
>
>(Joe) because you lie and blame others for your mistakes once nobody's
>around to say otherwise.
>
>That's ridiculous.
>
> >Why do you think he can't figure me out on his own?
>
>(Joe) who said he couldn't?
>
>You seem to think that you need to explain who I am to him frequently.
>What's strange (& amusing, only because it's so strange)is who you think I
>am.... but again, there's too much been removed from practice to sort it
>out, I think.
>
> >Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the
> >principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle?
>
>(Joe) it doesn't.
>
>It should.
>
>-Matt
>
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: all answers to matt's questions are in order below this brief statement sword's line is: to apply revolutionary democratic struggle/strategy to defend, build, & support independent political campaigns where they can win & where they will serve the people. -ras baraka may2002 -nb peoples campaign nov.2002 to pin the democrats on the republicans in elections that only one of the two can win. to build the Peoples Democratic Workers Party as put forward by U&S. to expose all opportunist counterfeit Fake Left people, positions, and organizations. to embrace and put forward U&S' call "revolutionaries unite". to unite with and to put forward U&S at the highest level possible, sword maintains that our edit board participation would only strengthen U&S. why do you lay down to the greens over & over matt? they are not revolutionaries, they are not progressive... they are right wing frauds. & if you are going to agree that you consider them to be right, why didn't YOU print U&S 2000? -joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> >Cliff & Joe- at the risk of doing an injustice to a great poem, i find the form effective: as long as you answer my questions. >Why do you avoid the questions I raised? (Is "Peoples War on Greens" your line?) at first i thought you were just an idiot for asking. the answer is no that is not sword's line. attacking the greens is a small, but necessary, aspect of the peoples war on the right. not because sword wants to attack greens because we are ulta-left, but because the greens put themselves in the line of fire. the most dangerous of enemies is someone you think is on your side - that is why the greens must be exposed ruthlessly along with your undying support of them. i was fine with organizing to defeat bush but the greens say i'm wrong and bush is now president & you're the one that didn't press print. >Why do you answer with more questions & accusations but not answers? who's the one with all the questions? i got answers... but you should take the time to go back and answer my questions from the other post which you replied to with your threat. >Why do you want to look for something to fight about, rather than explore what we can come to agreement on? you sign "Unity & Struggle" to your opportunist, non-revolutionary position on why you won't vote green. i've heard democrats offer more progressive criticisms of the greens. >Why do you seem like you want to pick a fight more than resolve anything? who is picking a fight? resolve anything like what? what do you want to resolve... >Why do these things keep going in circles? because for the last six years you have been sabotoging U&S' production, U&S' distribution, & U&S' line and i don't have any reason to think that you have or will stop. you blame njfo because you didn't press the print button in 2000. you blame fraud because you upheld the boycott position in 96. you sat thousands of U&S papers in YOUR hale st apt that YOU wouldn't let me distribute and that were never distributed by you. you built up republican curtis for these same six years into a city council candidate in '00 that effectively got frank bright onto the NB housing authority. and today you claim to represent the same trend as amiri even though since you've known amiri all you have done is sabatoge and disrupt his paper and revolutionary line. i am not the one going in circles. where is your line on the RED collective - who they are & where did they come from & what is there relationship to U&S, revolutionary democratic struggle (& strategy), & the NB republicans. >Why do we consistantly fail to comunicate on email? i am communicating my ideas... >Why don't these line struggles get resolved on email? ever? what is the line struggle you are looking to resolve? >Why do we go on like this on email, then never address any of this in >person like it's not there? you throw me & cliff out of every organization i argue with you in. what do you suggest i do? i am willing to discuss and argue my positions, would you like to set a date or event. >Why do these debates take the form of a disfunctional family squabble? >often... i don't see it. >Why did Joe invent a senario that I asked AB a question that I really asked >Cliff? because your question is with amiri/U&S: does peoples war on the right & greens are right (both lines put forward by U&S) = peoples war on the greens. you have not shown me where cliff has "mashed" these lines... >Why did Joe respond with smack mouth verbal boxing when I ask him why? "or do you just want to have a smack mouth boxing match..." what does smack mouth boxing mean to you? >Why did Joe pretend that my pointing this out was a threat to him? i do not pretend anything, don't bring shit up talking about smackin people. >Why do you & Joe keep sending these sad intercoursed to Amiri & other >people who probably don't have this kind of time to waste? why do you care? >Why do you mash "Greens are right...Peoples War on the Right" & then refuse to acknowledge if your line is "Peoples War on the Greens"? what is your craze with this matt? where has cliff or myself mashed these slogans? reality points out that the greens are right and therefor must be absorbed just as all right organizations into the peoples war on the right. that is why U&S has them as part of the fake left umbrella. what do you think? >Why do you then act as if this contrived formulation is U&S' position? when did i act as if this is U&S' position? >Why do you say that we shouldn't look for revolutionary democratic >tendencies within the Greens to unite with while being critical of the >right-liberal line? you are the only person i know that says there is anything revolutionary about the greens. U&S SAYS "GREENS ARE RIGHT" >Why do you equate this to being "conciliatory" & "holding hands" of the right? because matt, GREENS ARE RIGHT. they attack U&S' revolutionary strategy and say that the people are stronger than imperialism. but you falsely put forward that there are revolutionary democratic alliances that you can make. where are the RD alliances but in your head? >Why do you not respond to AB's statement pointing out that it's the line that should be attacked. i do not understand what you are asking. "its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB >Why do you not see that I was criticizing the same right-liberal line that you strangely claim that i was upholding when this unproductive (yet again) exchange started? because you weren't. you never told fortunato that he is right wing in your response to his post. nor did you say greens are right. >Why do you feel that you have to keep explaining my positions to Amiri, as if I don't have a working relationship with the man? because you lie and blame others for your mistakes once nobody's around to say otherwise. >Why do you think he can't figure me out on his own? who said he couldn't? >Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the >principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle? it doesn't. you have for years and continue to disrupt unity with me & cliff to serve your own opportunist ends. i am just pointing things out as they go from here on.
matt, why isn't the question for amiri if he is the one that developed
a & b of your a+b=c equation?????????????????????????????
amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
1. peoples war on the right &
2. greens are right...
is your line peoples war on the greens?
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
>
>It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
>*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
>cross-polinated sloganeering.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
'shd be' idealism is not the point.
everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
u&s line is: greens are right.
tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
peoples' war on the right.
combat liberalism.
>
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green
Party?"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> >
> >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they merely
>admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them into
>an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
>endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
>encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> >
greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
u&s' line is: greens are right.
yr argument is w/ u&s.
>
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > >
My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
organization has competing ideologies.
> > >
I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an
out.
That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
you lost me...MS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > >
u&s line: greens are right.
yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they
(the
non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
>their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > >
> > >peoples' war on the right.
> > >combat liberalism.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > > >
> > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since an
>honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
>Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
>party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
>revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them a
>better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
>Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it
>would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as it
>would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
>still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
>will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens
>think they are now that)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > >
> > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
>humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one
>progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
>trust, to start." -ms
> > > >
> > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > >
> > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >cs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...
> > > > >
> > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > >
> > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest assesment
>of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
>disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by the
>Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for "higher
>office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
>insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign, &
>with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
>Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election (a
>gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce Afrin's
>less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
>spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign" rather
>than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
>(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
>right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring leading
>us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been warning
>the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for suggesting
>Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for
>the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
>hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who like
>to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
>Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge intentions
>are *material results*.
> > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > >
> > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > >
> > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey holding
>a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
>points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
>their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green Party
>for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the progressive
>agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
>spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
>independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct allegations.
> > > > >
> > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we
>can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
>Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
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this is the second post that i did not get a full response to. though i
took the time to fully respond to every question & statement by matt.
this is the post that matt responded to me with a threat. joe
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
i guess your satisfied with jerkin off fortunato - a guy who calls me a
short-pants communist - who would consider himself a success if
schundler won.
>I think I have an idea of what AB's line is.
you act like you don't have a clue. maybe you can share what you think
amiri's line is.
>My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans
>"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right".
when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen
it, but i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans
but deny them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up
to republicans & greens in the peoples campaign -yoU&S didn't go to
print- and still today with your soft line w/fortunato.
>I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
>on the Greens."
you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position
that you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt
to have him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he
is.
>He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on why he would mash them together.
again, when/where?
>If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of
>attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, in the "Fake-Left").
i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. what does florida have to
do with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? greens are right
before, during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line
of criticism. what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir
shouldn't have campaigned florida? that doesn't solve anything, does
it?
>Instead of goofing around, wasting time, why not answer the question or ask Cliff to & then we can have a real discussion. -Matt
who's goofing around & wasting time? who's the one jerkin around w/
greens, not me & cliff. let's revisit a section of your earlier
postings: At such a time, it would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's
"Greens are right" line, as it would be a different party with a
different leading ideology. It would still not be a replacement for the
*mass* independant party that must & will eventually emerge from the
united- front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now that)
what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually
emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start
organizing for this party? how will this party emerge besides
"eventually"?
joe
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>To: amirib@a..., nbpeoplescampaign@y..., vivaohio@h...
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
>
>amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
> 1. peoples war on the right &
> 2. greens are right...
>is your line peoples war on the greens?
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
>
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
> >
> >It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
> >*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
> >cross-polinated sloganeering.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>
>'shd be' idealism is not the point.
>everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
>
>u&s line is: greens are right.
>tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
> >
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > >
> > >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
>merely
> >admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them
>into
> >an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning yr
> >endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
> >encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> > >
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
> >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > > >
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
> > > >
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > >
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
> >their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > > > >
> > > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since
>an
> >honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
> >Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
> >party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
> >revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them
>a
> >better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
> >Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time, it
> >would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as
>it
> >would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
> >still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
> >will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the Greens
> >think they are now that)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > >
> > > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
> >humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is one
> >progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
> >trust, to start." -ms
> > > > >
> > > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> > >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > > >
> > > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > > >
> > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > >
> > > > >cs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest
>assesment
> >of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
> >disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by
>the
> >Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
>"higher
> >office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
> >insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the campaign,
>&
> >with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida where
> >Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election
>(a
> >gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce
>Afrin's
> >less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are merely
> >spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign"
>rather
> >than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
> >(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
> >right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
>leading
> >us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been
>warning
> >the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
>suggesting
> >Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect for
> >the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
> >hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who
>like
> >to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
> >Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge
>intentions
> >are *material results*.
> > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey
>holding
> >a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
> >points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
> >their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
>Party
> >for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the
>progressive
> >agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
> >spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
> >independent and effective civilian review of police misconduct
>allegations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >When we make a concrete analysis of congcrete conditions, we
> >can only conclude that the "spoiler" factor is not present in this race.
> >Therefore, vote for Coleman and the progressive aganda.
>
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I did not see Frank Coury's letter to the editor, but I must set the record straight as far as Glenn Patterson's illusions demonstrated in his 11/10/01 letter responding to Mr. Coury. The New Brunswick City Machine, which employs Mr. Patterson, is controlled by Johnson & Johnson and does not represent the people of the city. The entire redevelopment/"revitalization" is in no way representative of the will of the residents of New Brunswick. The residents have never had any say on the redevelopment process that so often evicts, displaces, unemploys, and removes many from the city entirely. Democracy, not Devco or New Brunswick Tomorrow, needs to head this redevelopment process. Is someone afraid of us New Brunswick residents having control over NB redevelopment? Those afraid of the peoples vote are the peoples enemy. Devco & NBT, both dubbed public/private partnerships, really have no public identity because there is no public vote on the board members, let alone the projects these boards contract. Reality shows that these organizations are completely dominated by multi-billion dollar, international corporations - J&J, Rutgers, Squibb, RWJ, UMDNJ - that can never represent the interest of the people. Only the peoples vote can illustrate the interests of the people, so please Mr. Patterson explain why there is no city wide vote for all residents on . This summer, the New Brunswick Homes public-housing towers were demolished to make way for new high-income housing. Former public housing residents were served multiple evictions notices because the city machine renigned on its plan to build new housing for the Homes residents to move directly into. The city machine also refused to find suitable housing units for these families that Mr. Patterson now claims to have helped. If it were not for the city wide resistance to these criminal eviction attempts dozens of families would have been on the streets. I saw Mr. Patterson at the city council meetings in which residents attacked the council for attempting to put these families on the street. Many of these encounters are covered in the Home News by Sharon Waters and can be researced. This same political machine is also responsible for the worst public school system in Middlesex County based on NJ standardized tests results. There was a 20% drop in NBHS test scores because the publics schools resources are being robbed by Mayor Cahill's appointed board of education. This corrupt board saw fit to steal $850,000 from the public schools and place into the private hands of a local charter school. We demand a criminal investigation into Superintendent Larkin and Mayor Cahill's appointed board for these actions. Parents, students, and residents in New Brunswick must support & organize for the elected board of education as step one in solving the problems NB public schools. The New Brunswick Peoples Campaign is organizing to destroy the NB City Machine with Peoples Democracy. We must prepare now to win the Mayor's seat, two city council seats, and the elected board of education for November 2002. Joe Smith New Brunswick Peoples Campaign 13 James St. #2 New Brunswick NJ 08901 732.729.0390
NEW BRUNSWICK: Redevelopment urged
Published in the Home News Tribune 11/15/01
Bank may relocate to proposed site
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
The city's Planning Board recommended last night that a
triangular site where French and Somerset streets intersect be
redeveloped.
Magyar Savings Bank, which will need to move from its current
location under a separate redevelopment concept the city is
considering, has expressed interest in relocating to the area.
The site needing redevelopment, according to the Planning
Board, includes New Brunswick House Wreckers at 396 Somerset
St. and New Brunswick Auto Body at 269 French St., plus a nearby two-family
house. Structures on the auto-body property are in disrepair and littered
with debris and rubbish, said Glenn Patterson, city planning director.
"This is a textbook example of a blighted, dilapidated
property," he said.
A city study calls the property an "eyesore" and states
dilapidated conditions have existed at the site for over 40 years. While the
auto-body business is still active, much of the property is vacant, and it
is "uncertain" if other buildings on the site have activity,
Patterson said.
The adjacent two-family house at 392 Somerset St. had some
minor property-maintenance violations between 1994 and 1997, according to
officials, but overall did not meet the criteria for needing redevelopment.
The house was included in the recommendation in order to square off the site
and create a more functional redevelopment parcel, said Patterson.
The Planning Board last night voted unanimously on the
recommendation. No members of the public spoke during the meeting, and board
members' discussion about the proposal was limited.
Magyar hopes to move its administrative offices, lending
operations and a small retail facility out to a 19,000-square-foot
building at French and Somerset streets, bank President and CEO Robert E.
Pastor said last month. A small branch of the community bank will remain
near its current location at French and Prospect streets, said Pastor.
The city wants to see Magyar's current site and a two-block
area of French Street, between Prospect and Scott streets, redeveloped
into a hospital, a pediatric research facility, an office building on
Magyar's current site and a parking garage behind where the bank sits. The
city's $114 million concept also includes widening Prospect Street and
expanding sidewalks on French Street.
Earlier this month, the City Council designated the
French-Prospect area, which contains diverse small businesses and some
houses, as needing redevelopment. A formal plan for the site is being
prepared.
If the City Council concurs with the Planning Board's
recommendation about the French-Somerset site, a redevelopment plan would
be created for that area and a redeveloper selected. Designation as an area
needing redevelopment is a first step that could lead to condemnation of
property if the seller and redeveloper cannot agree on a sale price.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
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Joe- I responded at length to both your posts. Instead of responding,
you're keeping on with this stunt- a total fabrication. I never threatened
you- you know I was refering to your tone. It's a sorry divertion & is once
again not resolving anything, & showing that you're not interested in
building any kind of unity around these questions, so what's the point. If
you want to keep playing this game, go on, but I'm out.
----Original Message Follows----
From: can_bush@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: vivaohio@..., nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com,
cliffsmith69@..., tamaradahan@..., amirib@...
Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 14:10:23 -0000
this is the second post that i did not get a full response to. though i
took the time to fully respond to every question & statement by matt.
this is the post that matt responded to me with a threat. joe
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>Joe- How do you expect to be taken seriously when you play these kind of
games. It's stupid & would be annoying, if it wasn't so boring.
i guess your satisfied with jerkin off fortunato - a guy who calls me a
short-pants communist - who would consider himself a success if
schundler won.
>I think I have an idea of what AB's line is.
you act like you don't have a clue. maybe you can share what you think
amiri's line is.
>My question was raised to Cliff when he repeatedly mashed the slogans
>"Greens are right...Peoples' War on the Right".
when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? i haven't seen
it, but i would offer that you haven't done anything with these slogans
but deny them & counter organize efforts to apply them. by sucking up
to republicans & greens in the peoples campaign -yoU&S didn't go to
print- and still today with your soft line w/fortunato.
>I asked Cliff if this implies that his line is "Peoples war
>on the Greens."
you ask cliff this to avoid the criticism he offered to your position
that you expressed to fortunato. plus your question is ONLY an attempt
to have him say yes so you can point out how ultra-left you think he
is.
>He has consistantly avoided answering, so I'm not clear on why he would
mash them together.
again, when/where?
>If you consider AB's statement "its not the structure that infuriates but
the right wing liberalism", you may realize that it's a question of
>attacking this particular line within the Green Party (as elsewhere, in
the "Fake-Left").
i wouldn't realize this from your behavior. what does florida have to
do with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? greens are right
before, during, & after florida, so what is you agenda with this line
of criticism. what happens when joegreen says your right, nadir
shouldn't have campaigned florida? that doesn't solve anything, does
it?
>Instead of goofing around, wasting time, why not answer the question or
ask Cliff to & then we can have a real discussion. -Matt
who's goofing around & wasting time? who's the one jerkin around w/
greens, not me & cliff. let's revisit a section of your earlier
postings: At such a time, it would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's
"Greens are right" line, as it would be a different party with a
different leading ideology. It would still not be a replacement for the
*mass* independant party that must & will eventually emerge from the
united- front. (Unfortunately, the Greens think they are now that)
what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually
emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start
organizing for this party? how will this party emerge besides
"eventually"?
joe
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>To: amirib@a..., nbpeoplescampaign@y..., vivaohio@h...
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: Coleman for Governor
>Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500
>
>amiri, matt wants to know if you have the lines:
> 1. peoples war on the right &
> 2. greens are right...
>is your line peoples war on the greens?
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
>
>"its not the structure that infuriates but the right wing liberalism"AB
> >
> >It would be more interesting if you answered the question directly: "Is
> >*your* line peoples war on the greens?" rather than more cryptic
> >cross-polinated sloganeering.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>
>'shd be' idealism is not the point.
>everyone 'shd be'. but in reality there is class struggle.
>
>u&s line is: greens are right.
>tell me what is u&s' line re: the right?
>
>peoples' war on the right.
>combat liberalism.
>
> >
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
>
>The Greens should become an ally in the UF.
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's war against the Green Party?"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > >
> > >yr conciliatory line is to reconcile w/ greens on basis that they
>merely
> >admit a particular 'mistake', which will supposedly 'transform' them
>into
> >an ally in the revolutionary democratic united front, thereby earning
yr
> >endorsement of 'vote' & 'trust'. (in nwk, you shd push this. dont be
> >encouraging these reactionaries in nb)
> > >
>greens enabled bush. as did republicans.
>
>u&s' line is: greens are right.
>
>yr argument is w/ u&s.
> >
> > >
> > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > > >
>My experience (& dialectical materialism )has demonstrated that every
>organization has competing ideologies.
> > > >
>I also believe that if you put foward a criticism, you must offer an out.
>That is, if the recipient is not the enemy--
>
>Are you saying that your line is "People's War on the Green Party"?
>
>Cliff wrote: (yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans
>also, for their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose...profound)
>
>you lost me...MS
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > >
>u&s line: greens are right.
>
>yr (non?-"mechanical") line: "if" the greens become a "different" party
>w/ a "different" ideology, (i.e. "if" they stop being greens), they (the
>non-greens) will earn yr "trust" & vote for "higher office".
>
>("if" a doe had nuts shed be a buck...)
>
>yr non-"mechanical" reasoning applies to the republicans also, for
> >their "facilitating" bush's election, we suppose... profound.
> > > >
> > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > >combat liberalism.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > > > >
> > > > >Cliff, Your conclusion is a rather mechanical conclusion since
>an
> >honest (& I should have said, scientific) Green Party assessment of the
> >Nader'00 farce would have to include an internal transformation of the
> >party & bring them into the fold of a left-bloc against the right & for
> >revolutionary democracy...if this were to happen, I would consider them
>a
> >better alternative at the very local level than, say, the Democratic
> >Machine in NB where they might have a chance to win. At such a time,
it
> >would be necessary for U&S to revisit it's "Greens are right" line, as
>it
> >would be a different party with a different leading ideology. It would
> >still not be a replacement for the *mass* independant party that must &
> >will eventually emerge from the united-front. (Unfortunately, the
Greens
> >think they are now that)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > >
> > > > >"until an honest assesment of the role of the Greens/Nader in
> > > >facilitating Bush s'election & the disasterous results that we
> >humanity is now faced with is put foward by the Green Party, this is
one
> >progressive that will never vote Green for "higher office" for lack of
> >trust, to start." -ms
> > > > >
> > > > >merely admitting nadir '00 farce wins "trust" & a vote for
> > >reactionary greenback$, "progressive"?
> > > > >
> > > > >u&s position is: greens are right.
> > > > >
> > > > >peoples' war on the right.
> > > > >combat liberalism.
> > > > >
> > > > >cs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >To the Green Party, c/o Joe F:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Even if what Joe says below were so, until an honest
>assesment
> >of the role of the Greens/Nader in facilitating Bush s'election & the
> >disasterous results that we humanity is now faced with is put foward by
>the
> >Green Party, this is one progressive that will never vote Green for
>"higher
> >office" for lack of trust, to start. While Nader & Greens repeatedly
> >insisted there was no difference btwn "Bore & Gush" during the
campaign,
>&
> >with Nader campaigning throughout swing states (*including Florida
where
> >Nader carried 92,000 votes!!!) in the weeks leading up tho the election
>(a
> >gross violation of his campaign pledge not to do this), with Bruce
>Afrin's
> >less-slick echo of Nader's "take-down-the democrats" line, we are
merely
> >spoon-fed only defensive rhetoric, to wit "Gore ran a bad campaign"
>rather
> >than real substantive reflection. And this while these same forces
> >(including Nader himself!) are NOW making stump speeches about the
> >right-wing Bush family oil-dyanasty & its Saudi/bin Laden offspring
>leading
> >us to economic disaster and world war!!! No kidding...we've been
>warning
> >the Greens, et al. about this scenario since being brow-beat for
>suggesting
> >Bradley was a better dem-candidate than Gore... So, with due respect
for
> >the intentions of many Greens, my conscience tells me the Green Party
> >hasn't yet figured it out, my vote will reflect this. & for those who
>like
> >to quote Mao, recall his words on "intentions" (On Practice/On
> >Contradictions)--that the "truest criteria with which to judge
>intentions
> >are *material results*.
> > > > > >Unity & Struggle,
> > > > > >Matthew Smith
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Subject: [poprogress] Re: Coleman for Governor
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:42:25 EST
> > > > > >
> > > > > >With ALL of the latest polls but one showing McGreevey
>holding
> >a double-digit lead, and the one exception having him leading by nine
> >points, there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON why progressives should not vote
> >their conscience and cast their ballot for Jerry Coleman of the Green
>Party
> >for Governor. Jerry is the only candidate putting forward the
>progressive
> >agenda: a ban on "consent searches"' universal health care, adequate
> >spending for public education, jobs and housing, a living wage and
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>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>: >Joe- I responded at length to both your posts. not to my entire posts & not nearly to the important issues. -why is frank bright on the NBHA? -why didn't you press print in 2000 election? -why do you claim that there is anything revolutionary about the greens? -why did your republican boy curtis run for city council? -where is U&S' position/exposure on the RED collective? -where do you call greens right? -when/where has cliff "repeatedly mashed the slogans"? -what does florida have to do with attacking the right wing agenda of the greens? -what do you mean by, "*mass* independent party that... will eventually emerge from the united-front"? do you mean you "will eventually" start organizing for this party? how will this party emerge besides "eventually"? >Instead of responding, >you're keeping on with this stunt- a total fabrication. what stunt? the only fabrication is your "what if" the greens where progressive. >I never threatened >you- you know I was refering to your tone. yes, you did. refering to tone, maybe, but your refering was a threat. explain how is the threat of "a smack mouth boxing match" refering to one's tone? >It's a sorry divertion & is once >again not resolving anything, & showing that you're not interested in >building any kind of unity around these questions, so what's the >point. what is my diversion, to acknowledge your threat. there is no building unity with people that are down with bush & the right. THAT IS THE POINT of what this discussion is about - you say there is. U&S says greens are right - that is why your question is with amiri. >If >you want to keep playing this game, go on, but I'm out. playing this game? your out where? out of what? what does that mean "I'm out"? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
this message is from matt's good republican buddy curtis. From: CitrusWar@... To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: U&S production- lack there of... Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:47:37 EDT Joe, I am glad that you are continuing on that same route, it justifies my commitment to the promise that I made to you over the phone. I am sincerely pursuing every avenue to secure that promise to you if I will go down in history for anything, it will be for completing what I said to you over the phone. The only regret that I have will be the lost friendship to your brother Matt. See ya, when I see ya. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@... >Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 15:02:51 -0400 To all concerned! I know it may seem strange that I openly advocate being a republican, but I have also stressed that I am a People's Campain Republican! I feel deep in my heart that it is important for me to hold on to this new political title. I can only work to change the image of the Republican Party if I'm in the Republican Party. When the human body is sick, the doctor gives you a prescription to put inside your mouth, thus inside of the body. I am trying to work on that theory. That I can work from the inside out and change the Republican Party into a People's Campaign Republican Party. Our original idea for People's Campaign was that all political groups could come together for the common good of mankind. If we loose this theory then we have lost the original spirit of People's Campaign. I no longer will get angry or upset with anyone who decides to deface, slander or make negative comments about other Republicans including: Reverend Dr. DeForest Blake Soaries Jr. When you take a baby, who is hungry and wet and crying out for attention, the baby does not care whether or not the mother or father attends to it. It is just satisfied to know that its needs are met. We should feel the same way >about the needs of this nation. Communist, Democrats, Republicans, >Right-Winged, Left-Winged, etc. should work toward the common goal. The >old saying: "Two heads are better than one" I feel will really work for our >cause. I cannot account or justify anyone else's actions but my own. I am >a People's Campaign Republican until People' s Campaign does something that >is directly against its original theory of serving the people. > >Curtis L. Warren Sr. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
INS prisoners in Hudson jail start
hunger strike
11/16/01
BY BRIAN DONOHUE
Seven men detained in the FBI's vast anti-terrorism
investigation have begun a hunger strike at the Hudson County Correctional
Facility to protest the secrecy and delays surrounding their detention, a
county spokesman said yesterday.
The hunger strike comes three weeks after a 55-year-old
Muhammed Rafiq Butt, of Pakistan, died in the Kearny facility while waiting
to be voluntarily removed from the country.
Despite pledges by Immigration and Naturalization
Service officials to release more quickly those who have been cleared of any
links to terrorist groups, attorneys representing detainees say the delays
continue and their lawyers often are unsure why they are being held.
A Hudson County spokesman said the seven men on hunger
strikes have not complained about conditions at the Kearny facility, which
is holding 302 detainees.
"Their gripes are with INS," said Hudson County
spokesman Jacob de Lemos. "They told administrator and jail officials the
process is slow and they're not getting the attention they need from INS and
they're not sure what their status is."
Neither the county nor the INS would release any
information about the men, not even their names. One lawyer who met with
detainees at the jail Wednesday said several men had accepted voluntary
deportations, like Butt, and were simply waiting to leave.
Two of the men have not eaten meals brought to them in
two weeks, de Lemos said. Another five have stopped accepting food over the
past several days, but all seven are drinking fluids and appear healthy, he
said.
A spokesman for the INS Newark District disputed the
claims, saying several men had only missed a few meals over the past two
weeks, but that none of the men had gone without food beyond the agency's
72-hour definition of a hunger strike.
"Their definition of a hunger strike and the INS' are
two different things," Kerry Gill said. "We are trying to find out who is
making that contention that they are on a hunger strike."
Attorney General John Ashcroft says the detention of
1,100 men -- and plans to question 5,000 more -- are crucial to the FBI's
efforts to deter future acts of terror and find those with ties to the Sept.
11 attacks. But they have drawn sharp criticism from attorneys and civil
rights groups who say the dragnet has infringed on civil rights and violated
due process of law.
Most were originally questioned by authorities who had
received reports from neighbors or other people who said they resembled
terror suspects or appeared to be acting suspiciously.
The FBI, however, has found evidence linking only a
small handful to terrorist organizations, and many of them remain jailed on
minor charges, such as visa overstays, that had been rarely enforced by
before Sept. 11.
The Department of Justice will not release the names of
those being held or the charges on which they are being held. Last week, the
government stopped issuing a running tally of the number of people arrested.
Attorneys say they have often been unable to meet with
their clients. Many are also angry over a new rule that allows the federal
government to eavesdrop on conversations between noncitizens and their
attorneys.
Gill said the INS had received a letter from 12
detainees raising concerns about the amount of time they were spending in
detention, being in jail during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which
begins this week, and asking to be served food that is prepared according to
Islamic law, or halal.
Gill said the jail will begin serving them halal food
today. He said detainees are visited daily by INS officers with whom they
can discuss their individual cases.
"If they want to speak to an officer, by all means,"
Gill said. "As to what the contents of that discussion are, that will depend
on the individual's case."
The complaints of the men echo those voiced daily at
INS hearings in Newark, where groups of chained and handcuffed detainees are
led before judges.
Yesterday, Deniz Bozqurt, a Turkish national arrested
in Paterson on Sept. 20, was told he would remain in jail because the FBI
has not removed him from a list of people wanted for questioning.
But his lawyer, Aslan Soobzokov, said the man has not
been questioned by the FBI since he was detained.
"We're talking two months he's been in custody, and I
don't think the FBI even checked him out," Soobzokov said. "In the meantime,
these guys just sit there. It's crazy. It's scary."
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Joe- We'll resolve these disputes in practice, if at all. Disappointing as it is, you've expressly stated that you're not interested in starting from a point of unity, so what's the point of going in circles. Maybe we'll have more success finding unity in practical work, and the rest will get put out in front of the public. One last note- Don't say I kicked you out of every organization you've disagreed w/ me in- As for U&S, you & Cliff dug your own whole & you can get out of it if you want, but not by responding to AB's ideological critique "F'you." As for our CDRP, the work we did nailing Rogers was important, but I left it to you & SWORD when it became obvious to me that you weren't interested in a united front model, rather another left-sectarian group with the same 1/2 dozen members as 3 other organizations. Where is it now? As for the NBPC, I have acknowledged repeatedly that it was an error,--specifically, that the contention with SWORD's tactics should be addressed openly & in public, but not through isolation--but you don't seem to care and move foward, only to keep using it as a bludgeoning stick. But as I've said before, I no longer do penance. At the end of the day, if SWORD's line is correct, NBPC will become a strong mass force for revolutionary transformation in NB, one capable of organizing the people to seize political power. It will be more productive to spend your energy proving yourself right rather than trying to prove me wrong. So, see you in the street. PS- As for Cliff, he seems content to let you do his answering, only responding himself by grunting slogans. So I can't have much to say there, except again, practice will tell... -Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
EAST BRUNSWICK: Soaries considering a run for Congress
Published in the Home News Tribune 11/16/01
By SCOTT ALBRIGHT
STAFF WRITER
The Rev. DeForest B. Soaries Jr. said yesterday he will
decide by the end of the month whether he will run for Congress in the newly
redrawn 12th District.
Soaries, a Republican, is New Jersey's secretary of state and
senior pastor with the First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset,
one of the fastest growing black churches in the state.
The 12th District is represented by Democrat Rush Holt, who
narrowly won re-election to a second term last year.
Soaries, a 50-year-old Franklin Park resident, now lives in
the 7th District, represented by Republican Michael Ferguson. Part of
Franklin has been moved into the 12th District under the new congressional
map approved by the state's redistricting commission in late October. The
map will be used for the next five elections, beginning in 2002.
In an interview following a keynote speech given to local
business leaders at the East Brunswick Hilton last night, Soaries said a
primary factor in his decision will be whether his potential candidacy would
be a "unifying force for the Republican Party."
Soaries, who has never held elected public office, said he
recently talked to state and national Republican Party leaders about his
possible congressional run.
"I have gotten very supportive inquiries from some very key
people," said Soaries, while declining to name them. "I've talked to party
leaders, I've talked to office holders and I've talked to former office
holders and they've been very encouraging."
Soaries, whose term as secretary of state expires on Jan. 15,
also said he needs to consult his family and church congregation before
making a final decision. He said he wouldn't give up his leadership role in
the church if he ran for Congress.
An announcement, one way or the other, will likely be made
first to his congregation in Somerset, he said.
"This is more than speculation, it's an actual process,"
Soaries said.
If he were to run, Soaries said he would concentrate on
issues relating to children and poverty.
He said he offers a "different leadership style" than Holt, a
physicist by trade. Soaries praised Holt as a man of "personal character"
and a "nice guy."
"But I think it is now clear that what people are looking for
in their public officials is dynamic leadership and not just nice guys,"
Soaries said.
Scott Albright: (732) 565-7255. E-mail albright@...
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>To: can_bush@..., amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com,
>cliffsmith69@..., keithjoseph99@...,
>tamaradahan@...
>Subject: Practice Will Determine Ideological Correctness
>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:30:18
>
>Joe-
>
>We'll resolve these disputes in practice, if at all. Disappointing as it
>is, you've expressly stated that you're not interested in starting from a
>point of unity, so what's the point of going in circles. Maybe we'll have
>more success finding unity in practical work, and the rest will get put out
>in front of the public. One last note- Don't say I kicked you out of
>every organization you've disagreed w/ me in- As for U&S, you & Cliff dug
>your own whole & you can get out of it if you want, but not by responding
>to AB's ideological critique "F'you." As for our CDRP, the work we did
>nailing Rogers was important, but I left it to you & SWORD when it became
>obvious to me that you weren't interested in a united front model, rather
>another left-sectarian group with the same 1/2 dozen members as 3 other
>organizations. Where is it now? As for the NBPC, I have acknowledged
>repeatedly that it was an error,--specifically, that the contention with
>SWORD's tactics should be addressed openly & in public, but not through
>isolation--but you don't seem to care and move foward, only to keep using
>it as a bludgeoning stick. But as I've said before, I no longer do
>penance. At the end of the day, if SWORD's line is correct, NBPC will
>become a strong mass force for revolutionary transformation in NB, one
>capable of organizing the people to seize political power. It will be more
>productive to spend your energy proving yourself right rather than trying
>to prove me wrong. So, see you in the street.
>
>PS- As for Cliff, he seems content to let you do his answering, only
>responding himself by grunting slogans. So I can't have much to say there,
>except again, practice will tell...
>
>-Matt
>
>
>
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its really something how you run from my engagement, but you are comfortable with your dialogue with greens and republicans. maybe if i ask one question at a time? where & what is you position/exposure of the RED collective? -joe >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: can_bush@..., amirib@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, cliffsmith69@..., >keithjoseph99@..., tamaradahan@... >Subject: [nbpc] Practice Will Determine Ideological Correctness >Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:30:18 > >Joe- > >We'll resolve these disputes in practice, if at all. Disappointing as it >is, you've expressly stated that you're not interested in starting from a >point of unity, so what's the point of going in circles. Maybe we'll have >more success finding unity in practical work, and the rest will get put out >in front of the public. One last note- Don't say I kicked you out of >every >organization you've disagreed w/ me in- As for U&S, you & Cliff dug your >own >whole & you can get out of it if you want, but not by responding to AB's >ideological critique "F'you." As for our CDRP, the work we did nailing >Rogers was important, but I left it to you & SWORD when it became obvious >to >me that you weren't interested in a united front model, rather another >left-sectarian group with the same 1/2 dozen members as 3 other >organizations. Where is it now? As for the NBPC, I have acknowledged >repeatedly that it was an error,--specifically, that the contention with >SWORD's tactics should be addressed openly & in public, but not through >isolation--but you don't seem to care and move foward, only to keep using >it >as a bludgeoning stick. But as I've said before, I no longer do penance. >At the end of the day, if SWORD's line is correct, NBPC will become a >strong >mass force for revolutionary transformation in NB, one capable of >organizing >the people to seize political power. It will be more productive to spend >your energy proving yourself right rather than trying to prove me wrong. >So, see you in the street. > >PS- As for Cliff, he seems content to let you do his answering, only >responding himself by grunting slogans. So I can't have much to say there, >except again, practice will tell... > >-Matt > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign forwards this press release out in solidarity with the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques and with the forces to release/send back to Puerto Rico Puerto Rican Prisoner of Conscience Tito Kayak. Please forward and participate in the letter writing campaign. For more information on the Vieques movement here in New York City check out http://palfrente.tripod.com (The Vieques Support Campaign website). The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _______________________________________________________________________________ Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques PO Box 1424��� Vieques, Puerto Rico� 00765 Telefax (787) 741-1717���� E mail:� bieke@... � 17 November, 2001 � Press Release � Live or inert bombs, there will be civil disobedience � Members of the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques (CRDV) denounced the request by high Navy and Marine officiales to the Secretary of the Navy to resume use of live bombs for the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy�s maneuvers scheduled for January, 2001.� According to the Vieques activists, the military wants to take advantage of the insecurity in the US that resulted from the 11 September terrorist attacks, to return to use of high explosive bombs, as they did before the death of David Sanes on 19 April, 1999. � �Sixty years of live bombing has left an environmental and health crisis recognized by all sectors of the country and that motivated the ex governor, Dr. Pedro Rosell�, to declare public policy the immediate and permanent cessation of military activity on Vieques,� said Dr. Rafael Rivera Casta�o, Viequense epidemiologist and member of the CRDV. � Ismael Guadalupe, spokesman for the group, described the request as cynical and hypocritical, since the Navy continues to use live weapons in their exercises.� He stated, �Those of us who have been in the bombing zone during maneuvers know that in between inert bombs the Navy drops some live ones,�. � The Viequenses are preparing now to block naval bombing during the next military maneuvers � with live or inert bombs � using peacefull civil disobedience. ___________________________________________________ >October 30th, 2001 > >Mr. John Ashcroft >Attorney General of the United States >950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW >Washington, DC 20530-0001 > >CC: Kathleen M. Hawk Sayer, >Director >Federal Bureau of Prison >320 First Street N.W. >Washington, DC 20534 > >Mr. Gregory Park >Warden >Metropolitan Correction Center >150 Park Row >N.Y., N.Y. 10007 > >Mr. Ashcroft: > >Mr. Alberto De Jes�s Mercado (BOP # 19580-069) is >imprisoned at the Manhattan Metropolitan Correctional >Center since August 2, 2001. Mr. De Jes�s is currently >serving a one-year sentence for engaging in peaceful >civil disobedience acts in favor of the cease of all >military exercises and the departure of the US Navy >from the island of Vieques, Puerto Rico. > > > >On August 27, 2001 federal judge Michael Dollinger >sentenced him to time served for his peaceful >demonstration at the Statue of Liberty and he >recommended that Mr. De Jes�s should be transferred to >a federal prison in Puerto Rico. But Mr. De Jes�s is >still at the Manhattan Correctional Center. His son >and daughter saw him for the last time on the 26 of >July, his parents and his wife saw him for the last >time in August. His family lives in Puerto Rico and >they are suffering because of the distance and they >need to be able to visit him. It is very hard for them >to travel to the United States because they would have >to miss several days of work and school. > > > >We also learned from the press that Mr. De Jes�s is >been kept in solitary confinement because he engaged >in fasting and spiritual exercises as an act of >peaceful protest in favor of peace for Vieques and the >World. This action is protected by freedom of >statement rights to which prisoners are also entitled. >As a punishment by the penitentiary institution Mr. De >Jes�s was kept in solitary confinement for a period of >32 days. The conditions at the Nine Unit South are >against his rights to dignity and they constitute a >cruel punishment, he was locked down for 23 hours a >day with no water, high levels of humidity and >cockroaches in his cell. He had no electricity, no >paper, envelopes or stamps. The lack of this articles >as well as the lack of electricity did not allow him >to establish effective communication with his family >or friends > > > >Based on the civil, human and constitutional rights of >Mr. De Jes�s we ask you not to send Mr. De Jes�s to a >cell with infrahuman conditions that attempt against >his subsistence. We also ask you to use your power to >transfer Mr. De Jes�s immediately to the Metropolitan >Detention Center in Guaynabo, Puerto Rico as >recommended by Mr. Dollinger. 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peoples' campaign 2002 unite the many, defeat the few! next meeting, 12 noon, saturday, 1 december nb public library contact cliff smith 214.8828 cliffsmith69@...
Thanks for this, Tracey! *********************************************************************** November 14, 2001 CUBA AT THE UNITED NATIONS Cooperation not war is the way forward � STATEMENT DELIVERED BY HIS EXCELLENCY MR. FELIPE PEREZ ROQUE, MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE REPUBLIC OF CUBA, AT THE GENERAL DEBATE OF THE 56TH SESSION OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE UNITED NATIONS, NEW YORK, NOVEMBER 13, 2001 Mr. President: Before delivering my statement, I would like to express our condolences to the United States, the Dominican Republic and other countries represented here that have lost citizens among the many passengers and crew members who perished in yesterday�s tragedy of American Airlines Flight 587 � and I hereby pass on these condolences to their families. Mr. President: The war in Afghanistan must be stopped. The Government of the United States must acknowledge that it has made a mistake � and must halt its ineffective, unjustifiable bombing campaign against that people. As to its results, it would seem that this war has targeted children, the civilian population and the International Red Cross hospitals and facilities as enemies. As to its methods, no honest voice would rise in this hall to defend an endless slaughter � with the most sophisticated weaponry � of a dispossessed, starving, helpless people. As to its doubtful purposes, this war will never be justified from the point of view of ethics and International Law. Those responsible for it will one day be judged by history. Cuba has opposed this war from the very beginning as an absurd, inefficient method to eradicate terrorism � and reiterates that it can only bring more hatred and ever-increasing dangers of new terrorist actions. No one has the right to continue murdering children, aggravating the humanitarian crisis, visiting impoverishment and death on millions of refugees. If the United States obtained a military victory by eliminating all regular and irregular Afghan resistance � something that is not at all easy in practice and extremely costly at the moral level, for it would represent a real genocide without attaining the objective that we must pursue � the world would be farther away than ever from achieving peace, security and the eradication of terrorism. Cuba�s discourse is not founded on ill feelings against the nation that has been our most embittered adversary for over forty years. It is inspired by a sincere constructive spirit and a sense of respect for and sympathy towards the people of the United States, which sustained the unjustifiable and atrocious terrorist attack. It is also based on the aspiration of peace and justice for all the peoples of the world. What Cuba expresses in this hall � with full openness � may not be to the liking of those who run the United States today, but it will be understood one day by the American people, whose generosity and sense of justice were proven to the Cuban people when it had the support of 80% of the public opinion in this country in our struggle to prevent a kidnapped Cuban child from being uprooted from his family and subjected to ludicrous political manipulations and cruel psychological torture. What Cuba says from this rostrum, we know it well, is what many people rumor in the corridors of this building. What international coalition are we talking about? What is its legitimacy based on � if it has started by stridently disregarding the General Assembly of the United Nations? The United States has not fostered international cooperation. It has rather imposed its war on a unilateral basis and unwontedly stated that whoever does not second it is with terrorism. How long will the precarious support obtained last � not resulting from harmonized objectives and voluntary agreement, but from imposition through threats and pressures? One can be the strongest, but not necessarily right. One can cause dread, but not sympathy and respect. Only from genuine international cooperation � in which all countries, big and small, participate with a full understanding of everyone�s positions; with broadmindedness and tolerance in the methods used; in the framework of the United Nations Organization and unflinchingly abiding by the principles enshrined in its Charter � can a truly effective and lasting alliance emerge to fight terrorism. The world was surprised to learn of the official announcement of the United States to the Security Council that it reserved the right to decide on an attack against other countries in the future. What is left of the United Nations Charter after this? Can this unprecedented threat by any chance be interpreted as an exercise of the right to legitimate defense, enshrined in the Charter as the right of a State to deal with acts of aggression until the Council adopts the necessary measures and not as a vulgar excuse to unleash attacks against other countries? Is or is it not this announcement the proclamation of the right of a superpower to trample upon the already wobbly and incomplete standards governing sovereignty, security and the rights of the peoples? Cuba rejects that language with poise and steadfastness. We have not done so out of concern for our own security � because there is no power in the world that can subdue our spirit of independence, freedom, social justice and the courage to defend it at any cost. We did so because we believe that it is still possible to halt the escalation of a useless, brutal war that threatens to further plunge the poor peoples of the planet into hopelessness, insecurity and death � who are by no means responsible for any act of terrorism, but will be � and already are � the main victims of this senselessness. Only under the leadership of the United Nations will we be able to defeat terrorism. Cooperation and not war is the way. The coordination of actions and not imposition is the method. Our objective must be to obliterate terrorism by removing its root causes � and not the hegemonic assertion of the strength of a superpower, thus turning us into accomplices to its haughtiness and highhandedness. Therefore, Cuba � which has already responded to the Secretary-General�s appeal by deciding to immediately ratify all of the international legal instruments on terrorism � determinedly supports the adoption of a general convention on international terrorism. Of course, this would only be possible in the context of this General Assembly � now absolutely ignored by the promoters of the new campaign, but which in the last ten years, with the silence and apathy of the Security Council, has seen the effective adoption of the main resolutions and declarations calling for an outright fight against terrorism. That will finally allow us to define terrorism with accuracy. We have to prevent a few people with vested interests from trying to label as such the right of nations to fight for their self-determination or against foreign aggression. It must be clearly established that the support, abetment, financing or concealment of terrorist actions by a State is also an act of terrorism. Cuba, while working to have its own anti-terrorism law in a short period of time, unreservedly endorses the announcement of an international conference on terrorism, under the aegis of the United Nations. This has been an old aspiration of the Non-Aligned Movement � and must enable us, as a result of open discussions, collective actions, respectful and non-discriminatory agreement; and not threat, terror and force, to find the way to fully eliminate terrorism and its causes; not only if committed against the United States, but also if undertaken against another country, even from the territory of the United States or with the leniency or complicity of its authorities, as has been Cuba�s painful experience for over four decades. Mr. President: Only four days ago, the Pakistani media attributed to a rather well-known, very familiar character in the United States, a statement supposedly made from Afghan territory saying that he is in possession of chemical and nuclear weapons and threatening to use them against the United States if similar weapons are used by that country against Afghanistan. Everybody knows that Afghanistan does not have the slightest possibility to produce and launch nuclear or chemical weapons. Only a terrorist organization or leader could come up with the idea of executing an action of this kind with nuclear or chemical weapons. That is theoretically possible as it is also one of the consequences of the irresponsible behavior of major nuclear powers and of the arms trade, corruption and illegal traffic in all sorts of military technology. Several of these powers have acted as accomplices to and taken part in the traffic in fissionable material and the transfer of nuclear technology, as it suits their interests. However, under the concrete conditions of the war in Afghanistan, it would be ridiculous to resort to those threats and whoever did that would be signaling an enormous political and military ignorance. Lacking such means would make it a dangerous bluff, and having them would be an absolute madness to threaten to use them. If such statements published by two Pakistani newspapers were true, they would deserve the strongest condemnation, even if such weapons were eventually used against Afghanistan. It would be a stupid reaction since in that scenario that suffering, impoverished country would only have the possibility to count on the universal rejection of the use of such weaponry. Such threats only serve the interests of the extremist and warmongering forces within the United States, which favor the use of the most sophisticated weapons of mass destruction against the Afghan people. The best weapon for a country under aggression is to earn and preserve the sympathy of the world, and not to allow anyone to violate the ethical principle that no one has any right to kill children, not even when others do it. There is no justice in killing innocent people to avenge the death of other innocents. Cuba has stated, unhesitatingly, that it is opposed to terrorism and that it is opposed to war. Cuba, which is not under obligation to anyone, will continue to be consistent with its positions. Truth and ethics should prevail above all else. The unfolding of events, and the multiplication of hatred, passions and potential dangers have come to show that it was absolutely right to assert that the war was not, is not and will never be the way to eradicate terrorism. Mr. President: The most critical socio-economic crisis that our planet has undergone, created halfway through the last decade by the strident and irreversible failure of neoliberalism and neoliberal globalization, has been dramatically aggravated by this war imposed by one, but whose consequences we all have to bear. This war must be stopped not only for its consequences to the Afghan civilian population, but also for the dangers of destabilization in that region; not only to save thousands of Americans � particularly the young � Afghans and other nationals from a pointless death; not only to preserve an atmosphere of international peace and stability, but because this conflagration renders entirely impossible an objective proclaimed by the United Nations fifteen years ago: the right to development for all and the equality of opportunities to attain it. Because it renders obsolete the decision made only a year ago to work together in order to eliminate poverty from the face of the Earth. Will we be willing to organize a coalition against poverty, famine, ignorance, diseases, the scourge of AIDS that is currently decimating the African continent; a coalition in favor of sustainable development, in favor of the preservation of the environment and against the destruction of the planet? A coalition has been summoned to avenge the grievous death of over 4,000 innocent people in the United States. Let us come together to seek justice against this major crime � and let us do so without a war; let us come together to save from death the hundreds of thousands of poor women who every year die at childbirth; let us come together to save from death the 12 million children who die of preventable diseases every year in the Third World before the age of five; let us come together to take medications against AIDS to the 25 million Africans who are hopelessly awaiting death; let us come together to invest in development at least a portion of the billions already spent to carpet-bomb a country where almost nothing has been left standing. Cuba demands that this General Assembly, the Security Council and the United Nations Organization as a whole deal once again, as top priorities, with the debate of these problems � which are crucial to the 4.5 billion inhabitants of the Third World, whose rights and hopes have also been buried under the rubble of the Twin Towers. Mr. President: Cuba reiterates its outright condemnation of the terrorist action committed last 11 September. Cuba reiterates its condemnation of terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. Cuba reiterates that it will not allow its territory to be ever used for terrorist actions against the people of the United States or of any other country. Cuba has the morality to do it � because for over forty years it has suffered from terrorist actions; because in Cuba there are still relatives of the nearly 3,500 Cubans killed as a result of aggressions and terrorist acts; because justice is still demanded by over 2,000 Cubans rendered disabled by aggressions and terrorist acts. Some of its sons and daughters, who have fought terrorism, have been victims of cruel persecutions, relentless treatment and unjust and slanderous proceedings. The people of the United States is a victim not only of terrorism and panic, but also of the lack of truthful information, manipulation and the questionable limitation of their freedoms. Cuba does not nurture any hatred towards the American people � which does not hold accountable for our terrorism-related suffering, the aggressions and the unfair economic war that we have been compelled to withstand almost a lifetime; and with which it shares the aspiration of one day having relations based on respect and cooperation. Mr. President: If anyone here takes offense at these words, uttered on behalf of a small generous, courageous people, I apologize. We speak in a straightforward manner. Words exist to uphold the truth, not to conceal it. We are rebellious against injustice and oppression. We have morality; we defend our ideas at the price of our lives. Our support for any fair cause can be obtained, but we cannot be subdued by force or through the imposition of absurd formulas or embarrassing adventures. For many years now we have proclaimed that for us � Cubans � the historical dilemma is: "Patria o muerte!" 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keith, what is your position of the RED collective? -joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >CC: can_bush@..., amirib@... >Subject: Re: [njfo] Re: Fwd: Re: amiri's question >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 00:05:40 -0500 > > > " when they (Greens) sense their > > increasing unpopularity." Cliff Smith > >Odd, this sense of "increasing unpopularity" doesn't usually seem to have >any effect on people's political lines. > >Keith > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
except that cliff's line was/is popular. see 2700 votes... w/no conciliation to republicans. or where you trying to point to something different? -joe >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...> >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >CC: can_bush@..., amirib@... >Subject: Re: [njfo] Re: Fwd: Re: amiri's question >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 1980 00:05:40 -0500 > > > " when they (Greens) sense their > > increasing unpopularity." Cliff Smith > >Odd, this sense of "increasing unpopularity" doesn't usually seem to have >any effect on people's political lines. >Keith > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Joe- > >We'll resolve these disputes in practice, if at all. Disappointing as it >is, you've expressly stated that you're not interested in starting from a >point of unity, so what's the point of going in circles. Why do you feel that this form of debate has to do with "unity" as the principle aspect of the contradiction: unity & struggle? - it doesn't. you have for years and continue to disrupt unity with me - & cliff to serve your own opportunist ends. where have i "expressly" stated that i'm not interested in starting from a point of unity? "it doesn't" is a fact, but no fault of mine. unless you want to point to something in my practice where i've disrupted unity with you. >Maybe we'll have more success finding unity in practical work, and the rest >will get put out in front of the public. what practical work are you dealing with? >One last note- Don't say I kicked you out of every organization you've >disagreed w/ me in- As for U&S, you & Cliff dug your own whole & you can >get out of it if you want, but not by responding to AB's >ideological critique "F'you." what ideological critique of amiri's are you refering to? what organization, that you've had the majority in, have you not thrown me out of? >As for our CDRP, the work we did nailing Rogers was important, but I left >it to you & SWORD when it became obvious to me that you weren't interested >in a united front model, rather another left-sectarian group with the same >1/2 dozen members as 3 other organizations. what "made it obvious" that i wasn't interested in a united front? CDRP was the only organization i was in with you that you didn't have the majority vote & you ran in 2 weeks. what have you done to combat Racist Profiling since running from CDRP? >Where is it now? - CDRP threw NJ state trooper recruiter off RUcampus, home news article - CDRP organized rallies and teach-ins on RUcampus, Larry Hamm was down here a few times to speak, multiple targum articles - CDRP organized a commemoration to MLK forum, speakers included Joe Mosley, Larry Hamm, Reggie Johnson, Beverly Marshall, Cliff Smith, home news article - CDRP led demonstrations against Verneiro, front page home news - CDRP organized march on Trenton, put forward highest revolutionary line of the coalition for justice, made papers/news all over tri- state. >As for the NBPC, I have acknowledged repeatedly that it was an >error,->-specifically, that the contention with SWORD's tactics should be >addressed openly & in public, but not through isolation--but you don't seem >to care and move foward, only to keep using it as a bludgeoning stick. But >as I've said before, I no longer do penance. no bludgeoning stick. just want you to take up for yours. even ^^this^^ statement passes the buck. who is curtis warren & why did he run for city council? why is frank bright on the NBHA? why didn't you press print? what is your contention with sword's tactics that you wish to address openly? (from the NBPC specifically, but other areas if you want) >At the end of the day, if SWORD's line is correct, NBPC will become a >strong mass force for revolutionary transformation in NB, one capable of >organizing the people to seize political power. what do you mean? your buddies are organizing to bury the NBPC and you haven't even put forward a position/exposure of them. >It will be more productive to spend your energy proving yourself right >rather than trying to prove me wrong. what? proving myself right about...??? proving you wrong about...??? U&S line is greens are right. Peoples war on the right. what do i have to prove. i am just pointing out to you that you again are bailing out on revolutionary positions with your opportunist line on greens. >So, see you in the street. i've been on the streets of newark at least 1/2 dozen times a month knockin' on doors, HAVEN'T SEEN YOU ONCE! >PS- As for Cliff, he seems content to let you do his answering, only >responding himself by grunting slogans. So I can't have much to say there, >except again, practice will tell. -Matt you will take any excuse to run, Mr. Unity. again what practice are you involved in? besides figuring out how to best sabotage U&S's positions again. don't think it wasn't noticed that the beat schundler article is the smallest article in the paper, hidden nicely on page six. wouldn't you think that the one article that gives the readership an important task to accomplish would be highlighted? -joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
******************* NO A LA GUERRA!! NO TO WAR!! ******************* The Latin@ Coalition for Peace with Justice is organizing a community forum on Friday November 30th; We will be looking at how the war is effecting the latin@ community, How can we build and support an anti-war/pro-peace movement? We will also be looking at how this war is effecting the undocumented immigrant community and how we can support our young people throughout these difficult times? we will also be looking at proposals for work and developing projects within our communities! Join us for our Educational/Organizers' Forum; Help us build solidarity within the Latin@ community. ALL ARE INVITED TO SHARE THEIR PERSPECTIVES!! FRIDAY NOVEMBER 30TH, 2001 AT 7PM 2005 AMSTERDAM AVENUE 2ND FLOOR (Between W159th St. and 160th St. in Manhattan) For more information please email LatinCPJ@... or call 718-601-4751 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Women: Dream job became nightmare They are suing J&J, claiming race bias 11/17/01 BY DAVID SCHWAB STAR-LEDGER STAFF Linda Morgan went to work for Johnson & Johnson as a student while earning an engineering degree at New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark. After graduating in 1982, she said, she felt lucky to get hired full- time, believing J&J was a place she could work until retirement. Instead, after reaching a position as a manager at J&J's Ethicon unit in Somerville in 1992, she contends she was unfairly passed over and never promoted again. Now Morgan, 43, an African- American, and another J&J worker, Nilda Gutierrez, 42, a Hispanic, have filed a federal discrimination lawsuit against the New Brunswick-based health-care company -- one of America's biggest and most admired companies. The suit contends minority workers were unfairly denied salary increases and promotions. "A lot of practices there have to change to treat people fairly and justly," said Morgan, a Piscataway resident. Both plaintiffs still work for the company. In a statement, Johnson & Johnson said it will defend itself and would investigate the charges. The company said it was "particularly disappointed" a lawsuit was filed because of its "commitment" to a "merit-based work environment." Their case could get added attention because it was filed by a team of attorneys who won ground-breaking discrimination cases against first Texaco in 1997 and then Coca-Cola, which last May agreed to pay $192.5 million to settle. "I know first-hand a case like this is an epic struggle to bring about justice," one of the attorneys, Cyrus Mehri, told a gathering of about 100 supporters and students yesterday at the St. James Preparatory School in Newark. Many wore buttons and hats reading "Journey for Justice" in a logo very similar to that of Johnson & Johnson. Supporters then rode a bus to New Brunswick, where the two plaintiffs and their attorneys delivered the complaint to attorneys at Johnson & Johnson's corporate headquarters. Another member of the legal team, Johnnie Cochran Jr., who defended O.J. Simpson, said the 36-page lawsuit filed in U.S. district court in Newark presents "a compelling story of injustice." Cochran said "our exhaustive investigation" showed Johnson & Johnson failed to follow its own well-known credo -- adopted in 1943 -- to treat its employees fairly. Johnson & Johnson knew there were problems after the company conducted a review in 1997, he said. Attorneys for the plaintiffs said they expect the Johnson & Johnson case to break new ground because they are contending the company's board of directors and senior managers were not paying attention. In addition, they contend the company paid entry-level African- Americans and Hispanics less, which put them at a disadvantage for their entire careers. The next step for the attorneys is to try to get a federal judge to designate the lawsuit as a class action. The attorneys believe at least 1,000 Johnson & Johnson salaried workers who are African-American or Hispanic -- out of about 40,000 salaried workers in the United States -- could be part of the class. Gutierrez, a resident of New Brunswick who graduated from Douglas College, has worked for four years as a recruiting consultant, earning $41,000 per year. In the last four years, her salary has risen by $1,400, while two other recruiters without college degrees got salary increases of $20,000 and $40,000, according to the lawsuit. Gutierrez told the gathering she once thought of Johnson & Johnson as "a dream company." But, she said, "things happened I thought would never happen." David Schwab covers the drug industry. He can be reached at dschwab@... or at (973) 392-5835. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
THE PROLIBERTAD FREEDOM CAMPAIGN URGES ALL OUR ALLIES AND SUPPORTERS TO TAKE PART IN THIS WONDERFUL ENDEAVOR ORGANIZED BY LEONARD PELTIER AND HIS SUPPORT CAMPAIGN. PLEASE CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CAUSE AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO LIKEWISE!! FREE LEONARD PELTIER!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 **************************************************** Dear Supporters, It is time for the Annual Leonard Peltier Gift Drive. American Indian Political Prisoner, Leonard Peltier, has organized his annual gift drive for the Children of the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. Please send: New Toys, Winter Clothing, Gloves, Jeans, Underwear, Sweaters, Socks, Scarves, Jackets, Boots, Blankets, Thermals, Diapers of all sizes, Walmart Gift Cards, etc. Help Leonard reach out beyond prison walls and send a gift.� Please send your items to Geraldine Janis and Roselyn Jumping Bull/Fedelia Cross, members of the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee Elders Council. Send Gifts to: Roselyn Jumping Bull/Fedelia Cross, P.O. Box 42, Oglala, SD 57764 �������������������� Geraldine Janis, P.O. Box 525, Pine Ridge, SD 57770 For more information contact: LPDC at 785-842-5774 or lpdc@... or www.freepeltier.org. Best Wishes, The Leonard Peltier Defense Committee Until Freedom Is Won! The New Peltier Justice Campaign Leonard Peltier Defense Committee PO Box 583 Lawrence, KS 66044 785-842-5774 www.freepeltier.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 10:50:57 -0400 [for other people reading, this is an exchange i am having that i would like to be as open as possible with, if anyone has questions i'll answer] amiri, you wanna call me and cliff names when your edit board refused to print during the 2000campaign? matt, keith, and louise hung you&S out to dry- but it is myself and cliff who are called names. in the past two presidential elections where was U&S? why did matt, keith, and louise push boycott in '96 with dung&fraud? why did matt sabatoge you&S in 2000? why did keith run for city council as a registered republican? why did matthew embrace republican curtis and not the community of new brunswick for five/six years of organizing? why does keith continue to organize with flavier on flavier's terms? why is fraud speaking at the same rallies as keith and noboby knows they have different lines about an election that is in 20 days? not only is your edit board historically fucked up as far as getting out the U&S line, but it has also engineered expelling myself, cliff, and many others from multiple organizations. their tightest unity has come only through opposing us. and it continues in the RED collective (flavier), an organization that exists only to oppose SWORD and U&S. the RED collective has already engineered an expulsion of SWORD from the anti-war coalition, no thanks to keith who should be letting people know who xavier and RED collective are and where they come from. all keith argues is that splits are bad... not that the people calling for the splits, flavier, are anti-progress and pro-republican. that the RED collective is responsible for NB republican chair being appointed by trenton DCA to NB Housing Authority (only republican to fill any position in new brunswick in 30 years). i want to see U&S with 2 open positions - 1. who the RED collective is and why they oppose the peoples independent political movement. 2. a self examination of the past 6 years of who U&S was wasn't and is - along with specific answers to the above questions in ink. you wanna say our differences are about the question of reparations. you yourself say "white people aren't gunna let us have free education alone, which is alright..." in a U&S video of yourself. and because SWORD maintains that women's oppression is primary to national and class oppression. though these are ideological differences, that is differences between what you and i think, you say SWORD cannot work on the edit staff of U&S based on these differences. SWORD maintains that it must be our revolutionary practice that brings us together, that forces doing revolutionary work must embrace & unite. let our lines be argued openly in the paper so the people can participate. i said fuck you because you refered to me as an anarchist and because you refered to cliff as an asshole and i don't appreciate it. revolutionaries unite 2001 joe smith Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy > >From: Amirib@... >To: can_bush@... >Subject: Re: [njfo] Fwd: [nbpc] Re:] SOS-Joe >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:51:06 EDT > > A "simile" , like or as, is not the same as direct statement. You didn't >say "should I say something like "Fuck you". You can make a sound LIKE a >car and dont be that. >Grammar 101 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... Beat Back Bush2! can_bush@... A Police Force Rebuffs F.B.I. on Querying Mideast Men November 21, 2001 By FOX BUTTERFIELD The Portland, Ore., police will not cooperate in efforts to interview young Middle Eastern men because such questioning violates state law. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/21/national/21PORT.html?ex=1007363128&ei=1&en=5bd121d070276fd0 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
Middlesex County
POLICE IN THE COUNTY will roll out their annual drunken-driving check points
this week.
Assistant Middlesex County Prosecutor Nicholas Sewitch said the police
will be joined by investigators from the Prosecutor's Office to pull drunken
drivers off the roads, deter drinkers from getting behind the wheel and
educate drivers about the dangers of drinking and driving. Police will hand
out fliers at the check points.
Drivers could encounter check-points anytime and anywhere, Sewitch
said. But the targeted time will be evenings and the early morning hours,
when holiday revelers are most likely to drink.
The checkpoints add to the safety of the roads in other ways, he said.
Police also turn up unregistered cars, unlicensed anduninsured drivers and
unsafe cars, he said.
The state police will also set up drunken-driving checkpoints
throughout the Thanksgiving weekend.
-- Ken Serrano
from the Home News Tribune
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This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... duck season! rabbit season! if we do not eliminate the prevailing opportunist elements amongst our united front work, we'll all be in season. can_bush@... Police Are Split on Questioning of Mideast Men November 22, 2001 By FOX BUTTERFIELD Police chiefs are concerned that Attorney General John Ashcroft's request that they help interview thousands of Middle Eastern men seems like racial profiling. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/22/national/22POLI.html?ex=1007447429&ei=1&en=03bc6d11b720980e HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
PROLIBERTAD HOLIDAY GATHERING!! JOIN US ON DEC. 15TH, 2001!! Please help us raise money for the Puerto Rican Political Prisoner Commissary Fund!! Food, Dancing, Music, Holiday Card making and Auctions!! Please come and bring many many of your friends!! We are going to have a great night!! WHEN: Saturday Dec. 15th, 2001 at 7pm WHERE: The Brecht Forum 122 w27th St. (btwn. 6-7th Avenues) 10th floor DONATION: $10 (No one will be turned away) For more info. on the ProLibertad Freedom Campaign please contact ProLibertad@... Bronx 718-601-4751, Manhattan 212-927-9065, New Jersey 201-435-3244 www.ProLibertad.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges all of our supporters to make it out
to Philadelphia on Dec. 8th to support our brother Mumia Abu Jamal!! Mumia
needs all of our support now more than ever. Please read, forward and
mobilize to Philly on Dec. 8th. Please keep in contact with the NY Free
Mumia Coalition and ProLibertad for upcoming information on this
demomstration!!
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DECEMBER 8TH--MOBILIZATION TO FREE MUMIA!
December 9th marks 20 years since the capture of Mumia Abu-Jamal in
Philadelphia, framed for killing Police Officer Daniel Faulkner. On
Death Row since convicted by a kangaroo court on July 3, 1982, Mumia
gets out almost-daily written and spoken messages from behind the
wall, keeping his voice at the forefront of the Anti-War and
Anti-Racism Movement.
ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 8th, IN PHILADELPHIA, activists from around the
U.S. will converge to protest "20 Stolen Years" and demand Mumia's
immediate release from prison.
DEMONSTRATE: 12 NOON
CITY HALL (ON MARKET STREET)
The demonstration comes at a time when a key legal battle is taking
place. Important new evidence has surfaced in recent months,including
a signed confession to the murder by someone else (Arnold Beverly).
Terri Maurer-Carter, a court reporter in 1992, has now come forward
to state that she overheard the trial judge, Albert Sabo, during an
informal conversation, say: "I'm going to help them fry the n----r."
BUT THERE IS NO LEGAL GUARANTEE that either the state or federal
judges involved in the case will allow any of this new evidence to
become part of the official record. Only loud and visible public
mobilizations of Mumia's supporters can pressure them to do the right
thing.
At a November 13th meeting, the newly-named NYC Coalition for Peace
and Justice voted to heed the appeal of International Concerned
Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal and postpone an action
originally proposed for December 9th by one week so it would not
conflict with the possibility of Anti-War activists from New York
City
mobilizing for December 8th in Philadelphia. It would be good if we
can follow up on this initial, important act of solidarity with a
commitment by as many folks as possible from NYC to attend the
December 8th action and show our support for this singular Death Row
case, for Mumia is one of us. Go to <freemumia.com> to download
Mumia's many Anti-War columns written since S11.
For information on bus tickets from the New York Mumia Coalition,
call the Coalition's hotline at 212-330-8029.
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NEW BRUNSWICK: Brothers, mayor's aide set for court Dec. 3
Published in the Home News Tribune 11/23/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
Three New Brunswick brothers will be in court early next
month to fight assault or disorderly conduct charges stemming from three
separate incidents last fall.
Joseph, Cliff and Matthew Smith will appear at 11 a.m. Dec. 3
in Highland Park Municipal Court. The cases were transferred out of New
Brunswick because one involves a city employee.
Mayor James M. Cahill's aide Kevin Jones faces charges of
harassment and assault for punching Joseph Smith in the face on Nov. 7,
2000, outside the polling station at the Lord Stirling School. Jones has
filed similar charges against Joseph Smith, contending the activist brought
on the attack.
The court date has been changed at least six times, according
to Joseph Smith, an advocate to change the mayor-appointed school board to
an elected body. He did not know the reason for the scheduling changes.
Jones declined to comment earlier this week.
High School Principal Pierre Embrey filed a complaint last
year against Cliff Smith after the two quarreled near the high school on
Sept. 20, 2000, when Cliff Smith was distributing literature to students and
the principal told him to leave. Embrey charged Cliff Smith with verbal
abuse, assault, and physically impeding the principal's pathway.
Embrey could not be reached for comment.
Matthew Smith was charged with disorderly conduct for
activities on election morning last year.
The three cases will be considered together, said Joseph
Smith.
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: November 23, 2001
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This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... BEAT BACK BUSH!!! can_bush@... Spain Sets Hurdle for Extraditions November 24, 2001 By SAM DILLON with DONALD G. McNEIL Jr. Spain has said that it will not extradite eight men charged with complicity in the Sept. 11 attacks unless the U.S. agrees to civilian trials. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/24/international/europe/24SPAI.html?ex=1007621961&ei=1&en=76980de44be7230e HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is urging all of our supporters to join this fax campaign for Native American Political Prisoner Eddie Hatcher. Eddie's health has been very bad for a long time and he needs to be moved to another facility where they can treat him properly. join the campaign to get Eddie moved to a better facility. FREE EDDIE HATCHER!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 __________________________________________________________ This is a call to action in support of native american >PP eddie hatcher for info on his case go to > >www.eddiehatcher.org > >URGENT ALERT! >It came to my attention yesterday that Eddie is now >in a wheelchair from an undiagnosed leg disorder. >He was told by medical staff at MCI that with his >overall health condition, he should be at Central >Prison. -write, call, fax, or e-mail authorities to >find out why Eddie cannot be >relocated to Raleigh when there are several reasons to >justify why he should?? > >MASSIVE CALL AND FAX JAM BEGINING NOW! >here are the targets and demands: > > >1.Demand to know the current condition and whereabouts >of eddie hatcher. >2.Demand the move of eddie hatcher to a Raleigh prison >3.Demand an end to the harassment of eddie by the >staff of the prison . >4.Demand a civil rights invesigation in the case of >eddie hatcher. >4.Let them know that you will not stop calling or >doing other actions untill eddie is free and >healthy.The whole world is watching. > > >Mr. Sid Harkeleroad >Superintendent >Marion Correctional Institute >Marion, NC 28752 >828-659-6814 > > > >Mr. Franklin Freeman >Governor's Chief of Staff >20301 Mail Service Center >Raleigh, NC 27699-0301 >919-733-6184 > > >Governor Michael F. Easley >Office of the Governor >20301 Mail Service CenterRaleigh, NC 27699-0301 >Fax: (919)715-3175 or (919)733-2120 > > > > >Senator Frank Ballance >919-715-3032 >fax 919-856-9686 > > >Assistant U.S. Attorney General >Civil Rights Division >US Department of Justice10th & Constitution Ave, NW >Washington, DC 20530(202) 514-2151 > >WE WILL NOT SIT HERE AND LET OUR FELLOW FIGHTERS BE >SENTENCED TO DEATH.PRISON IS ALSO A FORM OF LEAGAL >LYNCHING WHEN IT INCORPRATES:HARASSMENT,ISOLATION,and >TOURTOURE ,as in the case of Eddie Hatcher. >Please FORWARD this message around the world and >please if you can translate it into other languges for >more info about eddie hatcher please vist >www.eddiehatcher.org >BASTA! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: Joseph Kaminski <jkaminsk@...> >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >CC: RUGreens@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [RUGreens] Re: Reminder - nb peoples' campaign meeting >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:08:00 -0500 (EST) > >if all this shit about "what the people want" is true then why have the >democrats continued to control the city and win each time substantially ? >I don't walk down remsen street for the exact reason you mentioned in your >post. Whats cool about having to be scared of walking down the street at >night ? A crackdown couldn't make things any worse than they are now. The >idea of police arresting people that commit crime doesn't sound to bad to >me. Well, it'll be funny anyways watching all you lefty white kids >parading down college ave, promoting your radical bullshit, only to be >crushed...again... by the democrats. Remeber the only group that will EVER >defeat the democrats is the Republicans, not "The people campaing" or the >"New Jersey Freedom Organization" or the "Radical Workers for democracy" or >whatever catchy name you morons come up with next election. Joe Kaminski On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > > > > > > >From: Joseph Kaminski <jkaminsk@...> > > > > >fuck off commies, defeat the few ? what the fuck are you talking > > >about in the last election you idiot/hippies lost 76% to 24% to the >democrats, > > joesmith: > > why you talkin' big, cracker? come see me. > > i wasn't organizing with the peoples campaign last year. > > jkaminski: > > >and you can gaurantee that most of that 24% came from rich white >Rutgers College and Douglass College students who feel "guilty" about > >whatever liberal whites are supposed to feel guilty about. > > joesmith: > > i get the charts this week, but i doubt it. nobody feels guilty, fool, >we want democratic control over the institutions that govern our > > lives/communities. and we will organize for such control - while >watching you climb, face first no less, into the ass of bush2. then you can >hang with the Colin & all the other shit you represent. > > jkaminski: > > >Give me a break, what New Brunswick needs is a new republican mayor who >will try and get big business to re-invest in the area, and who will crack >down on crime. > > jsmith: > > last republican candidate for mayor received 400 votes in 1998. quality >education & employment will eliminate crime - fuck you & your crackdown, we >wanna see you on remsen and throop ave promoting your shit and we'll see >who gets cracked down, cracker. > > jkaminski: > > >New Brunswick definately DOES NOT need more people who are completely > >out of touch with reality and main-stream American Values and Politics, >to take charge of one of New Jersey's less desirable cities. > > jsmith: > > it is racist/sexist republicans and backwards imperialist spokespersons >like yourself that are far from in touch with the needs of the people in >New Brunswick/internationally. Elected board of education, full >employment/living wage, affordable housing, civilian police control board, >voting rights for all residents, publicized redevelopment, union contracts >for all city endeavors, accessible recreational programs for all city >residents, and all other democratic programs that we can develop throughout >this city. -joe > > > > > > > > >On 24 Nov 2001 RUGreens@yahoogroups.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We would like to remind you of this upcoming event. > > > > > > > > nb peoples' campaign meeting > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, December 1, 2001 > > > > Time: 12:00PM - 3:00PM EST (GMT-05:00) > > > > > > > > peoples' campaign 2002 > > > > > > > > unite the many, > > > > defeat the few! > > > > > > > > nb public library > > > > contact cliff smith > > > > 214.8828 > > > > cliffsmith69@... > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Jeannette Gabriel" <jgabriel55@...> There is going to be a meeting on Friday to discuss the attacks on civil liberties of all immigrants and all of us and the mass layoffs going on within the immigrant community. This will be a planning meeting for a teach-in (or something more creative than that, street theater and protest) to take place before the end of the semester. There will be immigrant workers and their supporters at the meeting and hopefully student activists! Please let me know if you are interested in putting this together, I'm trying to nail down a site for the meeting now and will post the finalized details tomorrow. You can reach me at jgabriel55@... or 609-406-7857 or Roland at 732-246-8405. >Thanks! >Jeannette Gabriel > >Jeannette Gabriel >jgabriel55@... >Workers Democracy Network >http://www.workersdemocracy.org > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> The only reason to reply to anything as loutish as this is because Joe Smith cops to U&S' real offense against the people: they think imperialism is stronger. (Maybe U&S and SWORD are on the outs this week, but it's Amiri Baraka's line.) If you think the bourgeoisie are stronger than the people, what does this line of supporting the Democrats come down to? Subservience to the Dems and the bourgeoisie in spite of all fancy U&S rhetoric. That's what they are trying to hide behind the personal abuse. Oh yeah, by the way, Joe: the people are stronger than imperialism. That's what all their genuine adherents think. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> thanks to all the greens frauds like yourself that didn't seize the opportunity & organize to waste bush2 when we had the chance... wait a second, i thought you said the people are stronger than imperialism? is nadir going to be running for a second term, fraud? -joe From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:12:10 -0500 It's not a "war against terror." It's a filthy bloody barbaric mess, and we're all being dragged down into it. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/13/international/asia/13AFGH.html << ExecutionsofP.O.W._sCastDoubtsonAlliance.url >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
can you please take me off the rugreens mailing list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanxs!!! On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > The only reason to reply to anything as loutish as this is because Joe Smith > cops to U&S' real offense against the people: they think imperialism is > stronger. (Maybe U&S and SWORD are on the outs this week, but it's Amiri > Baraka's line.) > > If you think the bourgeoisie are stronger than the people, what does this > line of supporting the Democrats come down to? Subservience to the Dems and > the bourgeoisie in spite of all fancy U&S rhetoric. > > That's what they are trying to hide behind the personal abuse. > > Oh yeah, by the way, Joe: the people are stronger than imperialism. That's > what all their genuine adherents think. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > thanks to all the greens frauds like yourself that didn't seize the > opportunity & organize to waste bush2 when we had the chance... wait a > second, i thought you said the people are stronger than imperialism? > > is nadir going to be running for a second term, fraud? -joe > > > From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:12:10 -0500 > > It's not a "war against terror." It's a filthy bloody barbaric mess, and > we're all being dragged down into it. > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/13/international/asia/13AFGH.html > << ExecutionsofP.O.W._sCastDoubtsonAlliance.url >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
please take me off your mailing list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On Tue, 27 Nov 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > > >From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > > The only reason to reply to anything as loutish as this is because Joe Smith > cops to U&S' real offense against the people: they think imperialism is > stronger. (Maybe U&S and SWORD are on the outs this week, but it's Amiri > Baraka's line.) > > If you think the bourgeoisie are stronger than the people, what does this > line of supporting the Democrats come down to? Subservience to the Dems and > the bourgeoisie in spite of all fancy U&S rhetoric. > > That's what they are trying to hide behind the personal abuse. > > Oh yeah, by the way, Joe: the people are stronger than imperialism. That's > what all their genuine adherents think. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > thanks to all the greens frauds like yourself that didn't seize the > opportunity & organize to waste bush2 when we had the chance... wait a > second, i thought you said the people are stronger than imperialism? > > is nadir going to be running for a second term, fraud? -joe > > > From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:12:10 -0500 > > It's not a "war against terror." It's a filthy bloody barbaric mess, and > we're all being dragged down into it. > http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/13/international/asia/13AFGH.html > << ExecutionsofP.O.W._sCastDoubtsonAlliance.url >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... BEAT BACK BUSH!! can_bush@... U.N. Again Chastises U.S. on Cuba Trade November 28, 2001 By REUTERS For the 10th year in a row, the General Assembly voted overwhelmingly for an end to the United States trade embargo against Cuba. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/28/international/americas/28CUBA.html?ex=1007960906&ei=1&en=6f3b625081100a13 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
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>From: PRABPreSchool@... >To: GUILLO@... >CC: PRABDeputy@..., PRABPreSchool@..., hdanj@..., >cliffsmith69@... >Subject: Press Release Re: Lack of Preschool Funding >Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:33:12 EST > >The press release re: the BOE lack of funding is attached. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
The Committee to Elect Ras Baraka
proudly presents
"Hip Hop Artists For Ras
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Meet and Greet
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Thursday, December 6, 2001
Doors Open @ 7:00 pm
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General Admission: $50
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Outlaw accused of fake anthrax threats
11/30/01
BY MARK MUELLER
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
A self-styled "anti-abortion warrior" on the FBI's list
of most wanted fugitives was identified yesterday as the chief suspect in
the recent mass mailings of anthrax hoax letters to abortion providers
across the country.
Clayton Lee Waagner, 45, a Pennsylvania survivalist who
escaped from an Illinois jail in February, has admitted sending some 550
letters to clinics and abortion-rights groups over the past two months,
Attorney General John Ashcroft said.
Each of the letters, targeting abortion providers in
New Jersey and 11 other states, contained a powdery substance the writer
claimed was anthrax. Though lab tests for the bacteria ultimately proved
negative, the mailings temporarily shuttered some clinics and added to fears
spawned by a real anthrax-by-mail campaign that has killed five people.
"The Department of Justice considers Waagner's threats
and all anthrax hoaxes to be serious violations of federal law," Ashcroft
said at a Washington briefing. "Perpetrators of anthrax hoaxes and those who
threaten abortion providers will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the
law."
Ashcroft would not disclose how investigators learned
of Waagner's alleged admission, saying only that the FBI developed the lead
over Thanksgiving weekend.
But an anti-abortion activist from Georgia yesterday
identified himself as the source of the tip.
Neal Horsley, who runs a notorious anti-abortion Web
site known as the Nuremberg Files, said he notified authorities after
Waagner visited his home in Carrolton, Ga., Nov. 23 and claimed
responsibility for the mailings.
Horsley yesterday said Waagner showed him Federal
Express packing slips as proof of his act. Horsley said he recorded his
30-minute conversation with Waagner, who was armed with a handgun, and
turned the tape over to police. He said he was later questioned for several
hours by the FBI.
Beyond Waagner's admission in the anthrax scare,
Horsley said, the fugitive claimed he had compiled a list of 42 abortion
clinic employees he planned to kill.
"He called them the innocent ones," Horsley said.
"They're people who don't perform abortions. They clean the floors, throw
out the garbage. They might service the telephones. This was his whole
reason for coming to me. He wanted people to know they were targets. He
wanted to send a message."
An FBI spokesman in Washington referred all calls on
Waagner and Horsley to the agency's Pittsburgh office, which is leading the
probe into Waagner. A spokesman in that office, William Crowley, declined
comment.
Waagner, described by the FBI as a resourceful
outdoorsman and computer specialist, escaped Feb. 22 from the Dewitt County
Jail in Clinton, Ill., where he was awaiting sentencing on federal firearms
charges and other counts. A repeat offender, he was facing 15 years to life.
Authorities said Waagner used a comb to pick the lock
on a jail door, then made his way to the attic and onto the roof. He
eventually stole a car and fled, beating a massive manhunt.
Authorities have been looking for him ever since, twice
missing him by one day at Pennsylvania hotels. The FBI said Waagner, who
uses 53 aliases, has financed his flight by robbing banks.
Considered armed and dangerous, he is believed to be
moving between Pennsylvania, where he has a wife and nine children in a
remote northwestern town, and the South.
On Sept. 7, authorities said, Waagner abandoned a
stolen car on a highway in Memphis, Tenn., after colliding with a
tractor-trailer. Police later found a pipe bomb, guns and anti-abortion
literature in the car.
Hours later, he allegedly carjacked a man in Tunica,
Miss., about 40 miles southwest of Memphis. A nearby casino was evacuated on
a tip that Waagner, a heavy gambler, was hiding there.
Officials with abortion-rights groups said yesterday
that they're not surprised Waagner has been linked to the anthrax letters,
which arrived in two waves in mid-October and early November, apparently
timed to maximize fear following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York
and Washington.
The first wave of 280 letters came through traditional
mail and targeted women's clinics on the East Coast. The envelopes bore
return addresses of the U.S. Secret Service or the U.S. Marshals Service and
were stamped "Time Sensitive" and "Urgent Security Notice Enclosed."
A second wave of 270 letters arrived at clinics in the
first and second week of November. All came by Federal Express and used the
return addresses of Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Federation.
In all cases, the legitimate account numbers for those agencies were used.
Authorities said many of the letters were signed "Army
of God," a loose affiliation of anti-abortion zealots who advocate the
killing of abortion providers. Among the group's reputed members is James C.
Kopp, accused of assassinating gynecologist Bernard Slepian in his Amherst,
N.Y., home in 1998.
At his federal firearms trial in 1999, Waagner
testified that God told him to "be my warrior" and to kill abortion
providers. In June, four months after Waagner's escape, a message
purportedly written by the fugitive appeared on the Army of God's Web site.
In it, he threatened a bloody crusade.
"So the abortionist doesn't get the wrong idea, I don't
plan on talking them to death. I'm going to kill as many of them as I can,"
the message said, prompting the National Abortion Federation to send out a
national alert.
The FBI added Waagner to its "most wanted" list shortly
afterward. Waagner also is one of the U.S. Marshals Service's 15 "most
wanted" fugitives. Federal officials have offered a $50,000 reward for
information leading to his capture.
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White Supremacist Publishing Outlet Moves Operation from Idaho to Camden County associated press, Thursday, November 20, 2001 COEUR D'ALENE, IDAHO--A white supremacist publishing and Internet operation based in northern Idaho that advocates the overthrow of the U.S. government has moved to New Jersey. Katja Lane began operating 14 Word Press in 1995 at a remote chalet-style home she built on 50 acres outside St. Maries. She declined to talk about why she moved the publication or her current relationship with David Lane, an imprisoned terrorist. The 14 Word Press publication and Internet site have allowed David Lane to propagandize and recruit new racists while behind bars for life in the nation's most secure federal penitentiary, authorities said. Katja Lane began looking for a new distributor of 14 Word Press publications in October after ending a relationship with business partner Ron McVan, according to Internet postings and law enforcement officials. A week later, Lane said she was turning over the operation to Steve Wiegand in Maple Shade, N.J. printed in the Newark Star-Ledger _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on all our supporters and allies
to take time to participate in both the letter writing campaign for Tito
Kayak and to collect signatures for the freedom of the five Cuban Political
Prisoners. Now is the time to hit schools, churches, community centers and
of course the streets. only together and through active solidarity can we
free all of our political prisoners and prisoners of conscience.
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign
ProLibertad@...
Bronx 718-601-4751
Manhattan 212-927-9065
New Jersey 201-435-3244
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FRIENDS IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE STRUGGLE OF VIEQUES. FOLLOWING IS A LETTER
WE RECEIVED ABOUT THE SITUATION OF OUR "TITO KAYAK". PLEASE READ AND TAKE
THE ACTIONS ASKED.
Tito Kayak was the first civil disobedient against the Navy presence on
Vieques after the death of David Sanes (19 April, 1999). Tito has been
using different methods of peacefull civil disobedience since his protests
against tranporting nuclear materiales in waters close to our island and
other environmental issues.
The letter is self explanatory. It�s important that the letter be sent
betwen 28 and 30 November by fax to the office of the Secretary of Justice
of the US (Numbers and instructions below). Our hope is that during these
days thousands of letters arrive at their destination. This effort is one
of many that seek not only the return of Tito to Puerto Rico but also his
release from prison. It is important to remember that while in the US,
Judge Michaele Dollinger sentenced Tito to time served, Tito is serving in
New York the remainder of the one year sentence for enetering restricted
lands in Vieques. All sentences against any Puerto Rican for these charges
are unjust, but this is a case of particularly excessive abuse.
It is worth noting that on Sunday, I had the chance to speak with Tito�s
father at the Church activity. Don Frank is profoundly worried about the
current situation of his son, whom he has not sen since August and with whom
he communicates sporadically for a few minutes. I cannot imagine the
anguish of this father.
This effort that I ask of you is very littel compared with all that Tito has
done for the struggle of Vieques. As a last favor I ask you to send a note
to Tito during this season. Any note would be greatly appreciated. His
address is:
De Jes�s, Alberto 19580-069
Metropolitan Correction Center
150 Park Row
New York, NY 10007
Please print the letter to John Ashcroft, Attorney General, that appears
above. Send the letter by fax, signed and with a return address, to one of
the following numbers:
202-514-0293
202-307-2572
Friends,This is a petition put out by the national Free theFive Coalition.
Please print and circulate to as manypeople as possible and then mail the
petitions to theaddress below.
Thank you,Tami Peterson
Free the Five NYC
Petition to President George W. BushPresident Bush,We call on you to release
the Five Cubans: AntonioGuerrero Rodr�guez, Fernando Gonz�lez Llort,
GerardoHern�ndez Nordelo, Ram�n Laba�ino Salazar and Ren�Gonz�lez Sehwerert,
unjustly imprisoned inthe U.S. for defending the Cuban people
againstterrorist acts.Petici�n al Presidente George W. BushPresidente
Bush,Le hacemos un llamado para la liberaci�n de cincocubanos que han sido
injustamente juzgados pordefender al pueblo de Cuba de actosterroristas y
que se encuentran actualmente presos enc�rceles norteamericanas. Sus
nombres son AntonioGuerrero Rodr�guez, Fernando Gonz�lez Llort,
GerardoHern�ndez Nordelo, Ram�n Laba�inoSalazar y Ren� Gonz�lez
Sehwerert.Name/Nombre
Address/Direcci�n
City/CiudadCountry/Pa�s_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Please mail the petition back to: Free the Five!Committee (This is not an
e-mail petition) 2489Mission St., Room 24, San Francisco, CA 94110, USAPor
favor env�e la patici�n por correo al Comit�Libertad para los Cinco! (No
env�e esta petici�n atrav�z de correo electr�nico) 2489 Mission St., Room24,
San Francisco, CA 94110, USA
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on all our supporters to read, participate in and forward out this email to all your personal listserves and e-lists. As Boricuas, we can sympathize with the fight for Independence that the 12 Virgin Island Political Prisoners are imprisoned for. together, in solidarity we can free the VIslands and Puerto Rico from colonialism!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 www.ProLibertad.org will be up and running again soon. ____________________________________________________________________ 12 prisoners from the Virgin Islands being held at Wallens Ridge State Prison in Virginia begin hunger strike on November 1, 2001! Backround: The Virgin Islands (V.I.) had, before the these past couple of months, been renting out cells in the Untied States for its own overcrowded prison population. This has been going on for decades and the V.I. has run up a huge bill with the U.S. So the V.I. decided to bring all its prisoners back home. There is a catch: those prisoners the V.I. deemed to be too dangerous were sent to the Commonwealth of Virginia for further holding. On November 1, 2001 12 prisoners at the Wallens Ridge State Prison in Big Stone Gap, Virginia began a hunger strike in protest of �the capricious and unjust transfer of 15 Virgin Islands Prisoners to this conservative and bigoted run prison� The 12 currently on hunger strike are not aware of the whereabouts of 3 of their comrades, who might also be on hunger strike with them (if they recieved word of it). Hanif Bey, a prisoner of war on the strike writes: �We would like to hold out for at least 1 month, to bring outside attention, and hopefully cause the �Contract Agreement� to be dissolved, however, if we are not satisfied at the end of the month, with the steps taking place to grant us �proper relief�, we have the resolve to continue. We have all been hand picked to be warehoused in this death trap, simply to secure �settler interest� in the U.S. Virgin Islands, as they really deem us a potentially influential political force, if allowed to return.� Hanif is fighting for Virgin Island independance. Currently these men are locked in their cells 23 hours a day, and wear handcuffs and legchains whenever they leave their cell. The wording of the contract allows the prisoners to be held in Virginia indefinantly. The contract lasts for a year and if it is not terminated in the 11th month it is automatically continued for one more year. It seems that these prisoners are being kept in segregation permanantly. The Commonwealth of Virginia rents out its cells at differnt rates. Segregation costs less than general population. These prisoners need our support. Share this information, and write a letter to: Stan Young, Warden P.O. Box 759 Big Stone Gap, VA 24219 or call him at: (340) 523-3310 to show your solidarity with this hunger strike. Also write to V.I. officials and ask that these prisoners be brought home to the V.I. Mr. Iver Stridiron, Attorney General, Virgin Islands Department of Justice, St. Thomas, Virgin Islands 00801 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is organzing a special Holiday gathering for Dec. 15th, 2001!! Please join us on this special occasion and help us raise Money for the ProLibertad Commissary Fund for the Puerto Rican Political Prisoners!! we have FUN, MUSIC, FOOD, AND SPECIAL ARTISAN AUCTIONS!! JOIN US AND MAKE THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS HOLIDAYS A LITTLE BETTER!! Saturday Dec. 15th, 2001 at 7pm The Brecht Forum 122 w27th St. (6-7th Avenues)on the 10th fl $10 donation, but no one will be turned away For more info. contact ProLibertad@... Bronx 718-601-4751, manhattan 212-927-9065, New Jersey 201-435-3244 _______________________________________________________________ A Tribute to 20 Years of Resistance from Death Row Sunday, December 9 2 PM NYU Law School Vanderbilt Hall, Room 206 (corner of West 4th & MacDougal) Donation requested Refuse & Resist! invites you to join with: Amy Goodman journalist and host of Deomcracy Now! Terry Bisson author of Mumia's biography, on a move: The Story of Mumia Abu-Jamal Frances Goldin literary agent for Mumia Abu-Jamal Debra Sweet Refuse & Resist! Chris Martin National Lawyer's Guild, NY Law School Chapter December 9, 2001, will mark 20 years since the incarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamal, with most of this time spent locked down on death row. To be held for 20 years, in conditions of isolation and under constant threat of execution, is itself a form of cruel and degrading torture. To have this happen as the result of a trial that Amnesty International has called a travesty of justice is an outrage against human rights. Already targeted by police and the FBI from the age of 15 for his opposition to racism and concern for justice, Mumia has championed the people, exposed police brutality and countless other injustices, and became known as "the voice of the voiceless". This was true in 1981 when he was targeted by police in the first place, and it's even more true now. From death row Mumia, through his voice, his writings and his firm stand has come to represent the aspirations of people for a better world. In today's political climate with all of the government's attempts to suppress dissent, Mumia, the voice of the voiceless, is more precious than ever to the people. Stop the Execution! Overturn the Conviction! Free Mumia Abu-Jamal! Contact Refuse & Resist! at www.refuseandresist.org or email the NY chapter at rnrnyc@... or call 212-713-5657. The event is cosponsored by National Lawyers Guild chapters at NY Law and NYU Law Schools. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
NEW BRUNSWICK: People's Campaign meet today about City elections
Published in the Home News Tribune 12/01/01
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER
The New Brunswick People's Campaign will meet today at noon
to begin developing a strategy for next year's local elections for mayor and
City Council.
The group also plans to try to put a public question on the
ballot about an elected school board, an issue NBPC has advocated in the
past.
The meeting will be held at the New Brunswick Free Public
Library.
A press release sent by the group notes a split between the
NBPC and the Campaign for an Elected Board of Education has been mended
because the "NBPC has acknowledged its error in aligning with the local
Republican Party." The fallout between the two groups occurred after the May
2000 NBPC convention.
"Republican Party members are now unwelcome in the NBPC
though anyone is welcome to join if they renounce Republican Party
membership," states the release sent by NBPC spokesman Joe Smith.
The NBPC says it supports community control over education,
police and housing plus equal rights for women, immigrants and minority
residents.
from the Home News Tribune
Published: December 1, 2001
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http://www.thnt.com/news/backstories.pl?id=476064&paper=2
Planner stooge for city machine
I must set the record straight as far as Director of Planning Glenn
Patterson's illusions about New Brunswick demonstrated in his Nov. 10 letter
to the editor.
The New Brunswick city machine, which employs Patterson, is controlled by
Johnson & Johnson and does not represent the people of the city. The entire
redevelopment/"revitalization" is in no way representative of the will of
the residents of New Brunswick.
The residents have never had any say on the redevelopment process that so
often evicts, displaces, unemploys and removes many from the city entirely.
Democracy, not New Brunswick Development Corp. nor New Brunswick Tomorrow,
needs to head this redevelopment process. Is someone afraid of New Brunswick
residents having control over New Brunswick redevelopment? Those afraid of
the people's vote are the people's enemy.
Devco and New Brunswick Tomorrow, both dubbed public/private partnerships,
really have no public identity because there is no public input on those
boards, let alone the projects these boards contract. Reality shows that
these organizations are completely dominated by multibillion-dollar
international corporations -- J&J, Rutgers University, Bristol-Myers Squibb,
Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital, the University of Medicine and
Dentistry of New Jersey -- that can never represent the interests of the
people.
So please, Mr. Patterson, explain why there is no citywide vote for all
residents on redevelopment projects and on those boards that run these
projects.
This summer, the New Brunswick Homes public-housing projects were
demolished to make way for new "public" housing. Former public housing
residents were served multiple eviction notices because the city machine
reneged on its plan to build new housing for the Homes residents to move
directly into. The city machine also refused to find suitable housing units
for these families whom Patterson now claims to have helped. If it were not
for citywide resistance to these criminal evictionattempts dozens of
families would have been on the streets.
Joe Smith
NEW BRUNSWICK
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Dear Sharon: I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, 2001, concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, however, that one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you the current nature of the organization. In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held any lawful membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is part of a small extremist faction of the group, had requested that the leadership of the group call a general meeting of members. This request was made to the leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering Committee), lawfully elected at its February 10, 2001 meeting. Since that time, the Committee has included, and is presently comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier Hansen, Eryn Loeb, Julie Poulos, Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's request for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re-assessing the group's role in the New Brunswick political process. In particular, the leadership of the group presently intends to dissolve the New Brunswick People's Campaign. These members of the leadership, along with other members of the New Brunswick and Rutgers communities intend to form a new entity, broadening our extensive base of political support in New Brunswick, in preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity intends to run candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a public question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and referendum. Although it is still examining this issue, this new group presently has no intention of running the school board question on the 2002 ballot. Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was rejected, he unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including the most recent event on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source that only two people appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any event, since no member has the authority to unilaterally call a meeting, the elected leadership of the organization, with my support as attorney for the group, does not recognize these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful meetings. Likewise, the elected Steering Committee, based on the established rules and procedures of the group, does not recognize any decision taken at such gatherings as lawful decisions of the group. Contrary to the claims made by Mr. Smith in your article, there has been no lawful decision by NBPC to expel Republicans, nor has a decision been made to run the elected school board question in the 2002 election. Indeed, I think that his most recent shenanigans in attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his extremist cohorts will only isolate themselves further. Our group has always been committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a united New Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be bring division and contempt to the political process. If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any of the Steering Commitee members listed above. Flavio L. Komuves General Counsel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
for clarification purposes- keith, zofia, & luceno - all not part of my faction - were all at the general meeting where your steering committee was abolished & replaced. at this general membership meeting was when the next meeting was called for. i requested nothing from the old leadership, the meeting was called for by the general body. funny a lawyer should be sending out this bizarre letter on a day when 3 campaign members have trial that this lawyer refuses to represent. -joe >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <swaters@...> >CC: <nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com>, <tdegloma@...>, ><citruswar@...>, <juliepoulos@...>, <redgrrrl500@...>, ><xavier_hansen@...>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: [nbpc] New Brunswick People's Campaign article of 12/1/01 >Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:34:47 -0500 > >Dear Sharon: > >I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, 2001, >concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, however, that >one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you the current nature of >the organization. > >In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held any lawful >membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is part of a >small extremist faction of the group, had requested that the leadership of >the group call a general meeting of members. This request was made to the >leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering Committee), lawfully elected at >its February 10, 2001 meeting. Since that time, the Committee has >included, and is presently comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier Hansen, Eryn >Loeb, Julie Poulos, Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. > >Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's request >for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re-assessing the >group's role in the New Brunswick political process. In particular, the >leadership of the group presently intends to dissolve the New Brunswick >People's Campaign. These members of the leadership, along with other >members of the New Brunswick and Rutgers communities intend to form a new >entity, broadening our extensive base of political support in New >Brunswick, in preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity intends >to run candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a public >question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and referendum. >Although it is still examining this issue, this new group presently has no >intention of running the school board question on the 2002 ballot. > >Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was rejected, he >unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including the most recent event >on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source that only two people >appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any event, since no member has the >authority to unilaterally call a meeting, the elected leadership of the >organization, with my support as attorney for the group, does not recognize >these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful meetings. Likewise, the >elected Steering Committee, based on the established rules and procedures >of the group, does not recognize any decision taken at such gatherings as >lawful decisions of the group. Contrary to the claims made by Mr. Smith in >your article, there has been no lawful decision by NBPC to expel >Republicans, nor has a decision been made to run the elected school board >question in the 2002 election. Indeed, I think that his most recent >shenanigans in attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his extremist >cohorts will only isolate themselves further. Our group has always been >committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a united New >Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be bring division >and contempt to the political process. > >If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any of the >Steering Commitee members listed above. > >Flavio L. Komuves >General Counsel > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
--- In njfo@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: I support this proposal. I think that it should also be developed into principles of unity or a statement of purpose. This should be the top of the agenda on Sat. Keith >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, nbpcmembers@y..., >njfo@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] proposal >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:02:45 +0000 > >proposal to nbpeoplescampaign. >to be voted sat., 8/25 > > >the objective of the nbpeoplescampaign is peoples' democracy and political power. > >this objective is expressed in the community's slogans: "put people >first!", "community control!", & "unite, organize, seize power!" > >as allies the nbpc has the democratic forces of the peoples. > >as enemies the nbpc has the representatives of monopoly >capital/imperialism. > >the nbpc will make strategic alliances w/all democratic forces & tactical alliances w/all democratic tendencies. > >the strategy of the peoples campaign is principally to challenge in >winnable elections for peoples' representation. &to pin the democratic party on the republican party in those elections in which we cannot yet win. > >immediately, this means to support ras baraka for nwk council, may '02. to smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! in nov. '01. then to take nb elected school board, mayor & 2council seats in nov. 02. also to develop in hp &elsewhere. > >all alliances w/ republican representatives &positions by nbpc leadership were/are anti-democratic deviations at the peoples' expense. one cannot simultaneously uphold the republican party platform & peoples' democracy. the nbpc must establish itself on an uncompromising democratic basis w/ uncompromising democratic leadership. > >all nbpc officers who fail to fully criticize &correct these backward >schemes &methods must be immediately replaced. nominations shd be taken immediately for steering committee &campaign chair, to be voted in sept. mtg. > >cliff smith >student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy >8/20 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/ intl.asp --- End forwarded message ---
--- In njfo@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> wrote: I support this proposal. I think that it should also be developed into principles of unity or a statement of purpose. This should be the top of the agenda on Sat. Keith From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> proposal to nbpeoplescampaign. to be voted sat., 8/25 the objective of the nbpeoplescampaign is peoples' democracy and political power. this objective is expressed in the community's slogans: "put people first!", "community control!", & "unite, organize, seize power!" as allies the nbpc has the democratic forces of the peoples. as enemies the nbpc has the representatives of monopoly capital/imperialism. the nbpc will make strategic alliances w/all democratic forces & tactical alliances w/all democratic tendencies. the strategy of the peoples campaign is principally to challenge in winnable elections for peoples' representation. & to pin the democratic party on the republican party in those elections in which we cannot yet win. immediately, this means to support ras baraka for nwk council, may '02. to smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! in nov. '01. then to take nb elected school board, mayor & 2council seats in nov. 02. also to develop in hp & elsewhere. all alliances w/ republican representatives & positions by nbpc leadership were/are anti-democratic deviations at the peoples' expense. one cannot simultaneously uphold the republican party platform & peoples' democracy. the nbpc must establish itself on an uncompromising democratic basis w/ uncompromising democratic leadership. all nbpc officers who fail to fully criticize &correct these backward schemes & methods must be immediately replaced. nominations shd be taken immediately for steering committee & campaign chair, to be voted in sept. mtg. cliff smith student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy 8/20 >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <swaters@...> >Dear Sharon: > >I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, 2001, >concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, however, that >one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you the current nature of >the organization. > >In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held any lawful >membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is part of a >small extremist faction of the group, had requested that the leadership of >the group call a general meeting of members. This request was made to the >leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering Committee), lawfully elected at >its February 10, 2001 meeting. Since that time, the Committee has >included, and is presently comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier Hansen, Eryn >Loeb, Julie Poulos, Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. > >Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's request >for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re-assessing the >group's role in the New Brunswick political process. In particular, the >leadership of the group presently intends to dissolve the New Brunswick >People's Campaign. These members of the leadership, along with other >members of the New Brunswick and Rutgers communities intend to form a new >entity, broadening our extensive base of political support in New >Brunswick, in preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity intends >to run candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a public >question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and referendum. >Although it is still examining this issue, this new group presently has no >intention of running the school board question on the 2002 ballot. > >Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was rejected, he >unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including the most recent event >on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source that only two people >appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any event, since no member has the >authority to unilaterally call a meeting, the elected leadership of the >organization, with my support as attorney for the group, does not recognize >these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful meetings. Likewise, the >elected Steering Committee, based on the established rules and procedures >of the group, does not recognize any decision taken at such gatherings as >lawful decisions of the group. Contrary to the claims made by Mr. Smith in >your article, there has been no lawful decision by NBPC to expel >Republicans, nor has a decision been made to run the elected school board >question in the 2002 election. Indeed, I think that his most recent >shenanigans in attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his extremist >cohorts will only isolate themselves further. Our group has always been >committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a united New >Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be bring division >and contempt to the political process. > >If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any of the >Steering Commitee members listed above. > >Flavio L. Komuves >General Counsel > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Whether or not a particular person is "at a meeting" does not determine whether the meeting was lawful or not. The last lawful meeting of NBPC occurred on September 8, 2001. You stated to me in a private email that the alleged replacement of the Steering Committee occurred at the October meeting, whenever that date was, which you claimed you couldn't remember. What I find unbelievable, Joe, is that you claim there was (a) a removal of the existing SC; (b) election of a new SC; (c) expulsion of Republicans; (d) a decision to work on school board for 2002. You never announced any of these facts on nbpcmembers or nbpeoplescampaign before last week. You want us to believe that this huge sea change occurred in the organization, and yet you posted nothing about it on the groups contemporaneously. Get real! We're not falling for your nonsense. You are NOT the spokesperson for the group. You are NOT on the Steering Committee. You can NOT unilaterally call meetings. The events you have called are NOT lawful meetings. You are simply one member of the group, at least until we expel you again for this utterly embarrassing fiasco with the newspaper that you have caused! Notwithstanding your letter to the editor from Saturday, for which I thank you, episodes like this demonstrate that on the whole, you and your extremist friends are a pathetic embarrasment to progressive forces in New Brunswick. As for the decision not to have an NBPC attorney represent you, I cannot disclose those reasons in an open forum. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > for clarification purposes- > > keith, zofia, & luceno - all not part of my faction - were all at the > general meeting where your steering committee was abolished & replaced. at > this general membership meeting was when the next meeting was called for. i > requested nothing from the old leadership, the meeting was called for by the > general body. > > funny a lawyer should be sending out this bizarre letter on a day when 3 > campaign members have trial that this lawyer refuses to represent. - joe > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: <swaters@t...> > >CC: <nbpcmembers@y...>, <tdegloma@h...>, > ><citruswar@a...>, <juliepoulos@y...>, <redgrrrl500@h...>, > ><xavier_hansen@h...>, <nbpeoplescampaign@y...> > >Subject: [nbpc] New Brunswick People's Campaign article of 12/1/01 > >Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:34:47 -0500 > > > >Dear Sharon: > > > >I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, 2001, > >concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, however, that > >one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you the current nature of > >the organization. > > > >In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held any lawful > >membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is part of a > >small extremist faction of the group, had requested that the leadership of > >the group call a general meeting of members. This request was made to the > >leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering Committee), lawfully elected at > >its February 10, 2001 meeting. Since that time, the Committee has > >included, and is presently comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier Hansen, Eryn > >Loeb, Julie Poulos, Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. > > > >Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's request > >for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re- assessing the > >group's role in the New Brunswick political process. In particular, the > >leadership of the group presently intends to dissolve the New Brunswick > >People's Campaign. These members of the leadership, along with other > >members of the New Brunswick and Rutgers communities intend to form a new > >entity, broadening our extensive base of political support in New > >Brunswick, in preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity intends > >to run candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a public > >question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and referendum. > >Although it is still examining this issue, this new group presently has no > >intention of running the school board question on the 2002 ballot. > > > >Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was rejected, he > >unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including the most recent event > >on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source that only two people > >appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any event, since no member has the > >authority to unilaterally call a meeting, the elected leadership of the > >organization, with my support as attorney for the group, does not recognize > >these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful meetings. Likewise, the > >elected Steering Committee, based on the established rules and procedures > >of the group, does not recognize any decision taken at such gatherings as > >lawful decisions of the group. Contrary to the claims made by Mr. Smith in > >your article, there has been no lawful decision by NBPC to expel > >Republicans, nor has a decision been made to run the elected school board > >question in the 2002 election. Indeed, I think that his most recent > >shenanigans in attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his extremist > >cohorts will only isolate themselves further. Our group has always been > >committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a united New > >Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be bring division > >and contempt to the political process. > > > >If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any of the > >Steering Commitee members listed above. > > > >Flavio L. Komuves > >General Counsel > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> From: Groovemeister007@... Whether or not a particular person is "at a meeting" does not determine whether the meeting was lawful or not. The last lawful meeting of NBPC occurred on September 8, 2001. You stated to me in a private email that the alleged replacement of the Steering Committee occurred at the October meeting, whenever that date was, which you claimed you couldn't remember. What I find unbelievable, Joe, is that you claim there was (a) a removal of the existing SC; (b) election of a new SC; (c) expulsion of Republicans; (d) a decision to work on school board for 2002. You never announced any of these facts on nbpcmembers or nbpeoplescampaign before last week. This is despite the fact that you have had access to the former group since August 12, 2001 and the latter since the inception last year. The only evidence you have presented is a _proposal_ - posted on the "NJFO" newsgroup no less - to be offered at a meeting on August 25 (which was not even a meeting date!) You want us to believe that this huge sea change occurred in the organization, and yet you posted nothing about it on the groups contemporaneously. Get real! We're not falling for your nonsense. You are NOT the spokesperson for the group. You are NOT on the Steering Committee. You can NOT unilaterally call meetings. The events you have called are NOT lawful meetings. You are simply one member of the group, at least until we expel you again for this utterly embarrassing fiasco with the newspaper that you have caused! Notwithstanding your letter to the editor from Saturday, for which I thank you, episodes like this demonstrate that on the whole, you and your extremist friends are a pathetic embarrasment to progressive forces in New Brunswick. As for the decision not to have an NBPC attorney represent you, I cannot disclose those reasons in an open forum. In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: for clarification purposes- keith, zofia, & luceno - all not part of my faction - were all at the general meeting where your steering committee was abolished & replaced. at this general membership meeting was when the next meeting was called for. i requested nothing from the old leadership, the meeting was called for by the general body. funny a lawyer should be sending out this bizarre letter on a day when 3 campaign members have trial that this lawyer refuses to represent. -joe From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> Dear Sharon: I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, 2001, concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, however, that one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you the current nature of the organization. In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held any lawful membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is part of a small extremist faction of the group, had requested that the leadership of the group call a general meeting of members. This request was made to the leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering Committee), lawfully elected at its February 10, 2001 meeting. Since that time, the Committee has included, and is presently comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier Hansen, Eryn Loeb, Julie Poulos, Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's request for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re- assessing the group's role in the New Brunswick political process. In particular, the leadership of the group presently intends to dissolve the New Brunswick People's Campaign. These members of the leadership, along with other members of the New Brunswick and Rutgers communities intend to form a new entity, broadening our extensive base of political support in New Brunswick, in preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity intends to run candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a public question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and referendum. Although it is still examining this issue, this new group presently has no intention of running the school board question on the 2002 ballot. Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was rejected, he unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including the most recent event on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source that only two people appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any event, since no member has the authority to unilaterally call a meeting, the elected leadership of the organization, with my support as attorney for the group, does not recognize these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful meetings. Likewise, the elected Steering Committee, based on the established rules and procedures of the group, does not recognize any decision taken at such gatherings as lawful decisions of the group. Contrary to the claims made by Mr. Smith in your article, there has been no lawful decision by NBPC to expel Republicans, nor has a decision been made to run the elected school board question in the 2002 election. Indeed, I think that his most recent shenanigans in attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his extremist cohorts will only isolate themselves further. Our group has always been committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a united New Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be bring division and contempt to the political process. If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any of the Steering Commitee members listed above. Flavio L. Komuves General Counsel _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Party plans May convention By: Michael Reilly, Staff Writer 12/02/01 -------------------------- After months of infighting and reorganization, the Peoples' Campaign opposition party held an early-stage planning meeting for its May 2002 convention Saturday at the Free Public Library on Livingston Avenue. An amalgam of various city organizations sharing a stern critique of the Democratic administration of the city, the campaign unsuccessfully ran three candidates for city council in the November 2000 election. "There's no control in the community over the institutions that govern our lives," argued convention steering committee member Joe Smith, a University College sophomore and self-described Marxist community activist. "Right now, there's corporate control over these institutions, and we want individual control." Smith described the Peoples' Campaign � which ousted him from its ranks two weeks after the 2000 convention � as the political tool to pry power and influence from corporations such as Johnson & Johnson and return it to city residents. The Peoples' Campaign intends to run candidates for mayor and two city council seats in November, and hopes to once again bring a proposal to elect the city's school board to the ballot. The young opposition party has had its share of shifting membership. After selecting three candidates to run in the November 2000 city council elections � Curtis Warren, Diego Morales and Keith Joseph � the spring 2000 Peoples' Campaign convention generated criticism from within the body for its alliance with the city's Republican Party. But after the convention, it was Smith � who focused his electoral efforts on the defeated elected school board initiative � and not Republican Party Chairman Frank Bright who left the Peoples' Campaign. However, a sizable portion of the campaign's membership supported Smith's anti-Republican arguments, and agitated both for his return and the complete separation of the People's Campaign from the Republican Party � winning by one vote in an August meeting, although Bright, now a Housing Authority commissioner, left the party months before. The split with the Republican Party was necessary to serve the citizenry, Smith explained, because while the Republicans and the People's Campaign both oppose Democratic control of municipal government, the Republicans "really have nothing to offer the people," Smith said. Accusing the city's current Democratic administration of disenfranchising large swaths of the populace, Smith named the city's public education and redevelopment policies as two key issues he expected the Peoples' Campaign to challenge in its platform. Smith accused the city government of specifically targeting poor, working class and minority citizens for removal from the city through its ongoing redevelopment efforts. And the steering committee blamed poor standardized testing scores on city school board organization. The city is alone in Middlesex County in its appointed school board. "It's the ultimate democratic question � do you want control of your schools?" steering committee member Cliff Smith asked his six fellow committee members. However, to effect any institutional change within the city, the Peoples' Campaign acknowledged the necessity of unifying popular support � something it hopes to accomplish in the months leading up to the election. "We have to show [the people] how powerful they can be when they are organized," Smith said. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
flavio, you are out of line. everyone that was at the meeting where sword was reinstated knows that the next meeting was announced by y'all. it is unfortunate that you are being fed such crap, because the only way they can win you over is technicalities. but you should not be pursuaded by these technicalities because they are wrong. the library room was reserved by y'all. paul is the one that argued when the date was changed, that the meeting room was reserved by y'all & if people want to meet outside on the originally announced date -which was announced by X/FLAVIER- "more power to them". what i say is at issue is that y'all called for a meeting at the meeting i was reinstated in at and paul & zofia later pointed out that the date was pushed back and zofia attended the meeting. if you have any issue about this meeting please leave me out of it as it was announced, attended, and not disputed by y'all. if your "new entity" wants to run a slate for 2002 NB, the NBPC & the people of NB are interested in uniting all progressive platforms. also y'all are fools to publicly state anything remote to y'all don't support an elected school board. red collective is an organization created by opportunists to attack the nbpc's platform. -joe >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com >To: amirib@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@..., >cliffsmith69@..., tamaradahan@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, >onepeoplesproject@egroups.com, coalitionforjustice@egroups.com >Subject: [njfo] Fwd: New Brunswick People's Campaign article of 12/1/01 >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:10:44 -0500 > > > > >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > >From: Groovemeister007@... > >Whether or not a particular person is "at a meeting" does not >determine whether the meeting was lawful or not. The last lawful >meeting of NBPC occurred on September 8, 2001. You stated to me in >a private email that the alleged replacement of the Steering Committee >occurred at the October meeting, whenever that date was, which you >claimed you couldn't remember. > >What I find unbelievable, Joe, is that you claim there was (a) a >removal of the existing SC; (b) election of a new SC; (c) expulsion >of Republicans; (d) a decision to work on school board for 2002. >You never announced any of these facts on nbpcmembers or >nbpeoplescampaign before last week. This is despite the fact that >you have had access to the former group since August 12, 2001 and >the latter since the inception last year. The only evidence you have >presented is a _proposal_ - posted on the "NJFO" newsgroup no less - >to be offered at a meeting on August 25 (which was not even a >meeting date!) You want us to believe that this huge sea change occurred >in >the organization, and yet you posted nothing about it on the groups >contemporaneously. Get real! We're not falling for your nonsense. > >You are NOT the spokesperson for the group. You are NOT on the >Steering Committee. You can NOT unilaterally call meetings. The >events you have called are NOT lawful meetings. You are simply one >member of the group, at least until we expel you again for this >utterly embarrassing fiasco with the newspaper that you have caused! >Notwithstanding your letter to the editor from Saturday, for which I >thank you, episodes like this demonstrate that on the whole, you and >your extremist friends are a pathetic embarrasment to progressive >forces in New Brunswick. > >As for the decision not to have an NBPC attorney represent you, I >cannot disclose those reasons in an open forum. > > >In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > >for clarification purposes- >keith, zofia, & luceno - all not part of my faction - were all at >the general meeting where your steering committee was abolished & >replaced. at this general membership meeting was when the next >meeting was called for. i requested nothing from the old leadership, >the meeting was called for by the general body. > >funny a lawyer should be sending out this bizarre letter on a day >when 3 campaign members have trial that this lawyer refuses to >represent. -joe > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > >Dear Sharon: > >I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, >2001, concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, >however, that one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you >the current nature of the organization. > >In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held any >lawful membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is >part of a small extremist faction of the group, had requested that >the leadership of the group call a general meeting of members. This >request was made to the leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering >Committee), lawfully elected at its February 10, 2001 meeting. >Since that time, the Committee has included, and is presently >comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier Hansen, Eryn Loeb, Julie Poulos, >Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. > >Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's >request for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re- >assessing the group's role in the New Brunswick political process. >In particular, the leadership of the group presently intends to >dissolve the New Brunswick People's Campaign. These members of the >leadership, along with other members of the New Brunswick and >Rutgers communities intend to form a new entity, broadening our >extensive base of political support in New Brunswick, in >preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity intends to run >candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a public >question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and >referendum. > >Although it is still examining this issue, this new group presently >has no intention of running the school board question on the 2002 >ballot. > >Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was >rejected, he unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including >the most recent event on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source >that only two people appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any >event, since no member has the authority to unilaterally call a meeting, >the >elected leadership of the organization, with my support as attorney for the >group, does not recognize these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful >meetings. > >Likewise, the elected Steering Committee, based on the established >rules and procedures of the group, does not recognize any decision >taken at such gatherings as lawful decisions of the group. Contrary >to the claims made by Mr. Smith in your article, there has been no >lawful decision by NBPC to expel Republicans, nor has a decision >been made to run the elected school board question in the 2002 >election. Indeed, I think that his most recent shenanigans in >attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his extremist cohorts will >only isolate themselves further. Our group has always been >committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a united >New Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be >bring division and contempt to the political process. > >If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any >of the > Steering Commitee members listed above. > >Flavio L. Komuves >General Counsel > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
One year later, Smith brothers go before court By: Jessica Weber, Staff Writer 12/04/01 -------------------------- University College sophomore Joe Smith finally had his day in court yesterday. Smith, a leading force behind the Campaign for an Elected Board of Education � which tried unsuccessfully last year to get city residents to approve a referendum to elect members to the board of education � charged Mayor Jim Cahill's aide Kevin Jones with assault last year, after Jones allegedly punched Smith in the face during an Election Day altercation at a polling site in November of 2000. Smith's hearing was held in Highland Park yesterday after the trial was moved to the borough to avoid possible conflicts of interest. Jones filed counter-charges against Smith, which included assault and disorderly persons harassment, claiming Smith tried to knee him in the groin during the Election Day skirmish. But after hours of negotiation, both parties agreed to drop the charges against each other moments before trial proceeded. But the settlement of the Jones case did not end the legal tribulations from Smith � and Joe Smith was not the only member of his family in the Municipal Courthouse on South Fifth Street. Joe Smith's two brothers, Cliff and Matthew, faced misdemeanor charges of verbal assault and obstruction of justice, respectively. William Pfeifer, chief maintenance engineer at the city Water Utility, also charged Joe Smith with assault, criminal mischief and littering in an egg-related incident. Pfeifer claimed Smith had egged his pick-up truck in the early morning hours of Election Day last year while Pfeifer and his colleague, Tom Rudolph, posted signs advertising the Democratic Party slate � which opposed the school board referendum � in the area around Commercial Avenue. Though the Smith brothers' cases were heard separately, they shared an attorney, Santos Perez, and, after several re-schedulings, a consolidated court date. Matthew Smith, who pleaded guilty to his misdemeanor charges, said he asked police officers � who accosted Joe � what they were doing concerning an incident unrelated to either the Jones fight or the Pfeifer egging. Matthew Smith's actions resulted in a misdemeanor obstruction of justice charge, although no court officer entered official police records into evidence yesterday, and was forced to pay a $50 fine. Judge Edward Herman dismissed Cliff Smith's verbal assault charge after New Brunswick High School Principal Pierre Embrey, who filed the charge, did not attend trial yesterday. The charge arose in relation to Cliff Smith's distribution of campaign literature outside the school in September of 2000. Yesterday's trial was fraught with anxiety as prosecutors attempted to negotiate with the Smith brothers in order to reach settlements and steer clear of going to trial, but the Smiths maintained their innocence and refused any deal. Attorneys on both sides deliberated in the hours leading up to the appearance before Herman, but did not reach any agreement by the time of the hearing. The Smiths' obstinacy led Perez to file a motion to be relieved as counsel for the defendants due to a "conflict of ethics." The frustrated defense lawyer told Herman he could not defend his clients given "the substance of the negotiations and the validity of the negotiations." He said that he could not support his clients' refusal to accept the prosecution's deals, claiming the "risks of trying the case substantially and overwhelmingly outweigh the benefits." Herman denied Perez's motion. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
New Brunswick employees victorious
in Election Day aftermath
12/04/01
BY ALEXANDER LANE
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
A series of Election Day clashes last year between
political activists and New Brunswick employees who volunteered for the
city's Democratic campaign came to a head in a municipal court yesterday.
After a bizarre day of lawyer-client bickering, aborted
plea deals and high-drama courtroom theatrics, the city employees came out
on top.
Joseph Smith, a Rutgers University student who has long
lobbied for an elected school board in New Brunswick, was found guilty of
simple assault for throwing eggs at Democratic campaign volunteer William
Pfeifer on Election Day 2000. Smith received a $250 fine, a year of
probation and 30 days of community service.
Smith dropped his charge that Kevin Jones, the top aide
to New Brunswick Mayor James Cahill, punched him in the face at a polling
place later that same day. In return, Jones dropped his counter-charge that
Smith tried to knee him in the groin.
Harassment charges filed against Smith's brother,
Clifford Smith, by New Brunswick High School Principal Pierre Embrey, for a
campaign-related altercation outside the high school before the 2000
election, were dismissed because Embrey did not show up to court.
Another Smith brother, Matthew, who was charged with
obstruction of justice for bothering police as they arrested Clifford Smith
in the high-school incident, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was fined
$50.
The case was heard in Highland Park Municipal Court and
prosecuted by a special prosecutor from East Brunswick to avoid potential
conflicts of interest in New Brunswick.
Tangled in the contentious back-and-forth of New
Brunswick politics, the proceeding marked a dramatic departure from the
humdrum business of municipal court.
Jones, Pfeifer and another city employee came armed
with their own experienced attorneys who, with special prosecutor John
Rizzo, helped cut a deal that would get Jones off the hook and dole out a
slap on the wrist to each of the Smiths.
Though the Smiths' lawyer, Santos Perez, recommended
they take the deal, the brothers turned it down. This so irked Perez that he
asked Municipal Court Judge Edward Herman to let him quit the case.
Herman refused, dressing down Perez in open court for
trying to impose his will on his clients. After fevered conversations among
lawyers, clients and the judge, Perez decided to stay on, and Herman called
the first case on the docket -- Pfeifer's assault charge against Joseph
Smith.
Pfeifer, who works for the city's water utility,
accused Smith of throwing eggs at him and his friend, Tom Rudolph, another
water utility employee, as they hung Democratic campaign signs overnight
before the 2000 election. Smith backed a slate of council candidates who
unsuccessfully challenged incumbent Democrats.
Perez earned frequent rebukes from the judge for
redundant questioning while trying to defend Smith. After the judge found
Smith guilty, Perez made little of his chance to ask for a light sentence,
even after the judge urged him to stick up for the college student.
"I need you to tell me why I shouldn't put him in
jail," Herman finally pressed Perez.
By contrast, Pfeifer's lawyer Tom Abode pressed his
client's case with vigor, jumping from his seat with frequent objections,
pacing in front of Smith during cross-examination and, after the verdict,
asking the judge to put Smith in jail. "I am asking for incarceration,"
Abode said. "This behavior cannot be tolerated."
"He threw eggs," Herman said, unmoved. "How many days
in jail should he get for throwing eggs?"
The other cases involving the Smiths were resolved
through plea bargains, without a full trial.
Alexander Lane covers New Brunswick. He can be reached
at alane@... or (732) 634-1236.
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Joe: You are profoundly confused. The meeting at which you were reinstated was July 28, 2001. The next meeting was September 8, 2001. (In fact, you attempted to mislead the newsgroup by claiming it was on for August 25-when no library room was even available). You told me the removal of the Steering Committee and the expulsion of Republicans occurred at the October meeting. Then you told the Targum it occurred at an August meeting, when there was no such meeting. (Previously you told me it was at the September meeting). Paul, who is not on the Steering Committee, has no more authority to unilaterally call a membership meeting than you do, so whatever gathering happened in August is a nonevent. To be blunt, your credibility is nil and I don't believe you when you say these events happened. It seems to me that if you had removed the Steering Committee and expelled the Republicans, this would have been all over the egroups. It was not. You still haven't disclosed who this new alleged Steering Commitee is. Moreover, contrary to the directives of the 2/10/01 meeting, no minutes of these alleged meetings were ever prepared or posted. You also demanded the membership list from me, contrary to the Campaign's privacy policies from 2/10/01. Maybe you repealed those directives, too, and are planning to disclose it when it suits your convenience. But you won't persuade me! You argue about technicalities. Yet, I gave you ample opportunity, in private emails with you, to respond to the claim that there (1) had been an election of you to the SC and (2) that the Republicans had been expelled. You had ample opportunity to respond and yet provided nothing persuasive. What's more, you changed your story every time about meeting dates, what occurred, etc. Lastly, I never stated that the new entity does not endorse an elected school board. I stated that there was no intention to run that question in 2002 at this time, although we were still considering the issue.
impressions aside, the regularly scheduled nbpc meeting took place at which the republican-allied steering committee was unanimously voted out. all nbpc members were duly notified of this meeting, & of the proposal. there exists a preponderence of correspondence to substantiate this. the steering committee made no prior notification to "cancel", "postpone", "re-schedule", "dissolve", , , this meeting or the organization. regardless their agendas, attempts to claim "ownership" of the "name" of an organization, & for no other reason but to "disband"(!) that organization, are below discussion. the nbpc is what its active membership says it is, as always. we welcome anyone to work w/ us in the struggle for democracy. our meetings are open to all non-republicans. peoples' campaign 2002, unite the many, defeat the few! cs >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] New Brunswick People's Campaign >article of 12/1/01 >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 02:58:32 > >Flav- just a point of clarification- I was under the impression that the >old >NBPC steering committee disolved itself, or at least the members >relinguished their relationship to the NBPC. What's the dilio? -Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: [nbpc] New Brunswick People's Campaign article >of >12/1/01 >Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 21:03:06 -0000 > >Whether or not a particular person is "at a meeting" does not >determine whether the meeting was lawful or not. The last lawful >meeting of NBPC occurred on September 8, 2001. You stated to me in a >private email that the alleged replacement of the Steering Committee >occurred at the October meeting, whenever that date was, which you >claimed you couldn't remember. > >What I find unbelievable, Joe, is that you claim there was (a) a >removal of the existing SC; (b) election of a new SC; (c) expulsion >of Republicans; (d) a decision to work on school board for 2002. You >never announced any of these facts on nbpcmembers or >nbpeoplescampaign before last week. This is despite the fact that >you have had access to the former group since August 12, 2001 and the >latter since the inception last year. The only evidence you have >presented is a _proposal_ - posted on the "NJFO" newsgroup no less - >to be offered at a meeting on August 25 (which was not even a meeting >date!) You want us to believe that this huge sea change occurred in >the organization, and yet you posted nothing about it on the groups >contemporaneously. Get real! We're not falling for your nonsense. > >You are NOT the spokesperson for the group. You are NOT on the >Steering Committee. You can NOT unilaterally call meetings. The >events you have called are NOT lawful meetings. You are simply one >member of the group, at least until we expel you again for this >utterly embarrassing fiasco with the newspaper that you have caused! >Notwithstanding your letter to the editor from Saturday, for which I >thank you, episodes like this demonstrate that on the whole, you and >your extremist friends are a pathetic embarrasment to progressive >forces in New Brunswick. > >As for the decision not to have an NBPC attorney represent you, I >cannot disclose those reasons in an open forum. > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > for clarification purposes- > > > > keith, zofia, & luceno - all not part of my faction - were all at >the > > general meeting where your steering committee was abolished & >replaced. at > > this general membership meeting was when the next meeting was >called for. i > > requested nothing from the old leadership, the meeting was called >for by the > > general body. > > > > funny a lawyer should be sending out this bizarre letter on a day >when 3 > > campaign members have trial that this lawyer refuses to represent. - >joe > > > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: <swaters@t...> > > >CC: <nbpcmembers@y...>, <tdegloma@h...>, > > ><citruswar@a...>, <juliepoulos@y...>, <redgrrrl500@h...>, > > ><xavier_hansen@h...>, <nbpeoplescampaign@y...> > > >Subject: [nbpc] New Brunswick People's Campaign article of 12/1/01 > > >Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:34:47 -0500 > > > > > >Dear Sharon: > > > > > >I read with great interest your article of Saturday, December 1, >2001, > > >concerning the New Brunswick People's Campaign. I am afraid, >however, that > > >one our members, Joseph Smith, has misstated to you the current >nature of > > >the organization. > > > > > >In particular, the New Brunswick People's Campaign has not held >any lawful > > >membership meetings since September 2001. Mr. Smith, who is part >of a > > >small extremist faction of the group, had requested that the >leadership of > > >the group call a general meeting of members. This request was >made to the > > >leadership of the group (i.e. its Steering Committee), lawfully >elected at > > >its February 10, 2001 meeting. Since that time, the Committee has > > >included, and is presently comprised of Thomas DeGloma, Xavier >Hansen, Eryn > > >Loeb, Julie Poulos, Danny Rosado and Curtis Warren. > > > > > >Among the reasons that the Steering Committee rejected Mr. Smith's >request > > >for a meeting is because the Steering Committee has been re- >assessing the > > >group's role in the New Brunswick political process. In >particular, the > > >leadership of the group presently intends to dissolve the New >Brunswick > > >People's Campaign. These members of the leadership, along with >other > > >members of the New Brunswick and Rutgers communities intend to >form a new > > >entity, broadening our extensive base of political support in New > > >Brunswick, in preparation for the 2002 elections. This new entity >intends > > >to run candidates for mayor and council as well as to place a >public > > >question on the November 2002 ballot as an initiative and >referendum. > > >Although it is still examining this issue, this new group >presently has no > > >intention of running the school board question on the 2002 ballot. > > > > > >Turning back to Mr. Smith, when his request for a meeting was >rejected, he > > >unilaterally called one or two gatherings, including the most >recent event > > >on December 1. I have heard from a reliable source that only two >people > > >appeared at yesterday's gathering. In any event, since no member >has the > > >authority to unilaterally call a meeting, the elected leadership >of the > > >organization, with my support as attorney for the group, does not >recognize > > >these gatherings called by Mr. Smith as lawful meetings. >Likewise, the > > >elected Steering Committee, based on the established rules and >procedures > > >of the group, does not recognize any decision taken at such >gatherings as > > >lawful decisions of the group. Contrary to the claims made by Mr. >Smith in > > >your article, there has been no lawful decision by NBPC to expel > > >Republicans, nor has a decision been made to run the elected >school board > > >question in the 2002 election. Indeed, I think that his most >recent > > >shenanigans in attempting to mislead you, Mr. Smith and his >extremist > > >cohorts will only isolate themselves further. Our group has >always been > > >committed to bringing progressive and meaningful change to a >united New > > >Brunswick. Mr. Smith's unsound objectives appear only to be bring >division > > >and contempt to the political process. > > > > > >If you have further questions about this you can contact me or any >of the > > >Steering Commitee members listed above. > > > > > >Flavio L. Komuves > > >General Counsel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] proposal >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:02:45 +0000 > >proposal to nbpeoplescampaign. >to be voted sat., 8/25 > > >the objective of the nbpeoplescampaign is peoples' democracy and political >power. > >this objective is expressed in the community's slogans: "put people >first!", >"community control!", & "unite, organize, seize power!" > >as allies the nbpc has the democratic forces of the peoples. > >as enemies the nbpc has the representatives of monopoly >capital/imperialism. > >the nbpc will make strategic alliances w/all democratic forces & tactical >alliances w/all democratic tendencies. > >the strategy of the peoples campaign is principally to challenge in >winnable >elections for peoples' representation. &to pin the democratic party on the >republican party in those elections in which we cannot yet win. > >immediately, this means to support ras baraka for nwk council, may '02. to >smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! in nov. '01. then to take nb >elected school board, mayor & 2council seats in nov. 02. also to develop >in >hp &elsewhere. > >all alliances w/ republican representatives &positions by nbpc leadership >were/are anti-democratic deviations at the peoples' expense. one cannot >simultaneously uphold the republican party platform & peoples' democracy. >the nbpc must establish itself on an uncompromising democratic basis w/ >uncompromising democratic leadership. > >all nbpc officers who fail to fully criticize &correct these backward >schemes &methods must be immediately replaced. nominations shd be taken >immediately for steering committee &campaign chair, to be voted in sept. >mtg. > >cliff smith >student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy >8/20 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
flavio, curtis was at the meeting with zofia, luceno, keith & others when the steering committee was abolished and the republicans agenda was deemed incompatible w/the PC agenda. your new entity should at least have a name, no? >From: Groovemeister007@... >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: opportunists knock NBPC >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:50:45 -0000 > >Joe: > >You are profoundly confused. The meeting at which you were >reinstated was July 28, 2001. The next meeting was September 8, >2001. (In fact, you attempted to mislead the newsgroup by claiming >it was on for August 25-when no library room was even available). >You told me the removal of the Steering Committee and the expulsion >of Republicans occurred at the October meeting. Then you told the >Targum it occurred at an August meeting, when there was no such >meeting. (Previously you told me it was at the September meeting). >Paul, who is not on the Steering Committee, has no more authority to >unilaterally call a membership meeting than you do, so whatever >gathering happened in August is a nonevent. > >To be blunt, your credibility is nil and I don't believe you when you >say these events happened. It seems to me that if you had removed >the Steering Committee and expelled the Republicans, this would have >been all over the egroups. It was not. You still haven't disclosed >who this new alleged Steering Commitee is. Moreover, contrary to the >directives of the 2/10/01 meeting, no minutes of these alleged >meetings were ever prepared or posted. You also demanded the >membership list from me, contrary to the Campaign's privacy policies >from 2/10/01. Maybe you repealed those directives, too, and are >planning to disclose it when it suits your convenience. But you >won't persuade me! > >You argue about technicalities. Yet, I gave you ample opportunity, >in private emails with you, to respond to the claim that there (1) >had been an election of you to the SC and (2) that the Republicans >had been expelled. You had ample opportunity to respond and yet >provided nothing persuasive. What's more, you changed your story >every time about meeting dates, what occurred, etc. > >Lastly, I never stated that the new entity does not endorse an >elected school board. I stated that there was no intention to run >that question in 2002 at this time, although we were still >considering the issue. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
OK, so now Curtis "& others" were there, too. Last time, it was just Zofia, Keith, and Jim. Look, all! It's Joe Smith amazing, ever- changing version of his story! Thankfully, some things are remaining constant. (1) Joe does not deny that he has now cited three different months when this alleged meeting happened. (2) Joe ADMITS that these alleged events (i.e. Steering Committee's replacement and Republicans' expulsion) were NOT posted contemporaneously on the newsgroup and that the first we heard of these alleged proposal's alleged passage was about a week or so ago; (3) Joe does not deny that no minutes of this alleged meeting were taken or posted, in violation of the 2/10/01 directive; (4) Joe still has not told us the names of the people he recognizes as the Steering Committee and (5) Joe still wants us to believe him. joe - by the way - I know u think yr writing is cool and all that, but who is "flavier" - is that me or x? none of us'all cn fgr it out. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > flavio, curtis was at the meeting with zofia, luceno, keith & others when > the steering committee was abolished and the republicans agenda was deemed > incompatible w/the PC agenda. your new entity should at least have a name, > no? > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: opportunists knock NBPC > >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:50:45 -0000 > > > >Joe: > > > >You are profoundly confused. The meeting at which you were > >reinstated was July 28, 2001. The next meeting was September 8, > >2001. (In fact, you attempted to mislead the newsgroup by claiming > >it was on for August 25-when no library room was even available). > >You told me the removal of the Steering Committee and the expulsion > >of Republicans occurred at the October meeting. Then you told the > >Targum it occurred at an August meeting, when there was no such > >meeting. (Previously you told me it was at the September meeting). > >Paul, who is not on the Steering Committee, has no more authority to > >unilaterally call a membership meeting than you do, so whatever > >gathering happened in August is a nonevent. > > > >To be blunt, your credibility is nil and I don't believe you when you > >say these events happened. It seems to me that if you had removed > >the Steering Committee and expelled the Republicans, this would have > >been all over the egroups. It was not. You still haven't disclosed > >who this new alleged Steering Commitee is. Moreover, contrary to the > >directives of the 2/10/01 meeting, no minutes of these alleged > >meetings were ever prepared or posted. You also demanded the > >membership list from me, contrary to the Campaign's privacy policies > >from 2/10/01. Maybe you repealed those directives, too, and are > >planning to disclose it when it suits your convenience. But you > >won't persuade me! > > > >You argue about technicalities. Yet, I gave you ample opportunity, > >in private emails with you, to respond to the claim that there (1) > >had been an election of you to the SC and (2) that the Republicans > >had been expelled. You had ample opportunity to respond and yet > >provided nothing persuasive. What's more, you changed your story > >every time about meeting dates, what occurred, etc. > > > >Lastly, I never stated that the new entity does not endorse an > >elected school board. I stated that there was no intention to run > >that question in 2002 at this time, although we were still > >considering the issue. > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
ask them, they were there. matt, keith can explain to you that the steering committee was abolished. -joe >From: Groovemeister007@... > >OK, so now Curtis "& others" were there, too. Last time, it was just >Zofia, Keith, and Jim. Look, all! It's Joe Smith amazing, ever- >changing version of his story! >Thankfully, some things are remaining constant. (1) Joe does not deny >that he has now cited three different months when this alleged >meeting happened. (2) Joe ADMITS that these alleged events (i.e. >Steering Committee's replacement and Republicans' expulsion) were NOT >posted contemporaneously on the newsgroup and that the first we heard >of these alleged proposal's alleged passage was about a week or so >ago; (3) Joe does not deny that no minutes of this alleged meeting >were taken or posted, in violation of the 2/10/01 directive; (4) Joe >still has not told us the names of the people he recognizes as the >Steering Committee and (5) Joe still wants us to believe him. > >joe - by the way - I know u think yr writing is cool and all that, >but who is "flavier" - is that me or x? none of us'all cn fgr it out. > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > flavio, curtis was at the meeting with zofia, luceno, keith & >others when > > the steering committee was abolished and the republicans agenda was >deemed > > incompatible w/the PC agenda. your new entity should at least have >a name, > > no? > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y... > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Re: opportunists knock NBPC > > >Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:50:45 -0000 > > > > > >Joe: > > > > > >You are profoundly confused. The meeting at which you were > > >reinstated was July 28, 2001. The next meeting was September 8, > > >2001. (In fact, you attempted to mislead the newsgroup by claiming > > >it was on for August 25-when no library room was even available). > > >You told me the removal of the Steering Committee and the expulsion > > >of Republicans occurred at the October meeting. Then you told the > > >Targum it occurred at an August meeting, when there was no such > > >meeting. (Previously you told me it was at the September meeting). > > >Paul, who is not on the Steering Committee, has no more authority >to > > >unilaterally call a membership meeting than you do, so whatever > > >gathering happened in August is a nonevent. > > > > > >To be blunt, your credibility is nil and I don't believe you when >you > > >say these events happened. It seems to me that if you had removed > > >the Steering Committee and expelled the Republicans, this would >have > > >been all over the egroups. It was not. You still haven't >disclosed > > >who this new alleged Steering Commitee is. Moreover, contrary to >the > > >directives of the 2/10/01 meeting, no minutes of these alleged > > >meetings were ever prepared or posted. You also demanded the > > >membership list from me, contrary to the Campaign's privacy >policies > > >from 2/10/01. Maybe you repealed those directives, too, and are > > >planning to disclose it when it suits your convenience. But you > > >won't persuade me! > > > > > >You argue about technicalities. Yet, I gave you ample opportunity, > > >in private emails with you, to respond to the claim that there (1) > > >had been an election of you to the SC and (2) that the Republicans > > >had been expelled. You had ample opportunity to respond and yet > > >provided nothing persuasive. What's more, you changed your story > > >every time about meeting dates, what occurred, etc. > > > > > >Lastly, I never stated that the new entity does not endorse an > > >elected school board. I stated that there was no intention to run > > >that question in 2002 at this time, although we were still > > >considering the issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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Four teachers jailed over work stoppage
Published in the Home News Tribune 12/04/01
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
FREEHOLD -- A judge jailed four striking teachers yesterday
and threatened to continue with hundreds more if they do not return to work
today.
Superior Court Judge Clarkson S. Fisher Jr. took the
extraordinary step against members of the Middletown Township Education
Association for defying a back-to-work order he issued Thursday.
Robert Abbot, 49, a 25-year teacher, was the first to be sent
to jail after answering "yes" when asked about defying the order and saying
he didn't intend to return to work today.
He was taken to the jury box and held there while other
hearings were conducted. Joining him later were Steve Antonucci, a
physical-education teacher and football coach of the state champion
Middletown South football team; Michelle Armistead, a special-education
teacher; and Patricia Ayling.
Two of the teachers excused were fined $50 a day until they
return to work. Another was told to return today with medication to take to
jail.
The hearings ended late yesterday afternoon and will resume
at 9 a.m. today with each person starting with those whose names begin with
B.
Striking teachers were last jailed in New Jersey in 1978,
according to Karen Joseph, a spokeswoman for the New Jersey Education
Association. One or more Camden teachers were jailed for 26 days then, she
said.
Classes were canceled Thursday, Friday and yesterday for the
district's 10,500 students.
The judge's move followed an afternoon of legal maneuvering
by lawyers for the teachers and the school board.
The courtroom scene was emotional as the first 10 teachers
were called up one by one by Fisher. Many teachers in the gallery wept or
held their faces in their hands as the process inched along.
Middletown Education Association attorney Sanford Oxfeld
appealed to the judge at one point to stop the jailing saying it would do no
good. The judge refused saying he was determined to get the teachers to obey
his order.
"You're right, it does pain me to do this, no question," the
judge told Oxfeld. "But this isn't about what makes me feel good."
When the court session ended Abbot stood up in the jury box
and asked the judge if he could give his wife the car keys. Abbot's wife met
him halfway across the courtroom, and he gave her the keys. They kissed and
hugged and she walked back to her seat in tears.
Moments later a similar scene played out with Antonucci.
Tracy Antonucci had been standing in the gallery holding the couple's
11-month-old son, Jake. Antonucci came out of the jury box and hugged and
kissed his wife and then returned.
� copyright 2000 The Associated Press
from the Home News Tribune
Published: December 4, 2001
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> > > Judge jails 43 more striking teachers; new talks scheduled > > By JOHN CURRAN > The Associated Press > 12/4/01 5:12 PM > > > FREEHOLD, N.J. (AP) -- Moving down a list alphabetically, a judge >ordered 43 more striking teachers to jail Tuesday for defying his >back-to-work order. In all, 47 were being held. > > By the end of the day, the judge had reached the C's, and promised >to pick up the pace on Wednesday, with a second judge scheduled to hear >more cases. > > "You are holding the keys to the jail," Superior Court Judge >Clarkson S. Fisher Jr. told one group of Middletown Township teachers >before sentencing them to one-week jail terms. "Any time you want to come >out, let me know and you are out." > > It wasn't that simple, though. > > More than 700 teachers in Monmouth County's largest school district >walked out Thursday, unwilling to continue working without a new contract. >The previous one expired June 30. > > Fisher ordered them back to work Thursday, but nearly all defied >him, setting the stage for the first jailing of New Jersey teachers in 23 >years. > > At issue is a board of education proposal that would require the >teachers to pay more for their health insurance. > > The teachers, who earn an average of about $56,000 annually, struck >briefly in 1998 before Fisher ordered them back to work. This time, they >have refused to return without a signed contract, saying they can't trust >the board of education to negotiate fairly. > > "This hurts," said Deborah Lerman, 55, a veteran teacher who >gathered with hundreds of others in front of Fisher's courthouse Tuesday >morning. "It hurts deep. I've given these kids like I give to my own >children, and this is what I get." > > A negotiating session was set for 8:30 p.m. Tuesday. But the two >sides appeared far apart as Fisher held a second day of contempt of court >hearings, bringing in teachers alphabetically by last name in groups of six >to 10 at a time. > > A handful were excused because of medical problems or pressing >family issues, including sick or elderly relatives. But most defiantly told >Fisher they would not return to work unless there were a contract. > > Among those jailed was Jean Bennett, who is on the union's >bargaining committee. Fisher later agreed to let her out to attend Tuesday >night's bargaining session. When Fisher was asked to appoint a mediator, he >refused to do so unless the teachers agreed to work in the meantime. They >would not. > > "When you give in, you are saying, `Keep stepping one me,"' striker >Barbara Bacmeister told Fisher. "Sooner or later you have to stand up for >what's right," she said. > > Art teacher Diana Bajor, 46, who was jailed Tuesday, bid a tearful >goodbye to her 12-year-old daughter, Allyson, in a corridor outside the >court. > > "You have to be good. You have to be strong," she told the girl, who >cried as they hugged. > > Officials said teachers were being housed two to a cell at the >county jail, which has a capacity of 1,328 and can accommodate both men and >women. About 1,000 prisoners were already there, said jail director Gary >Hilton. He said the teachers' safety would be assured, but said they would >be treated no differently from the general jail population. > > "It will not be pleasant," Hilton said. "They will not enjoy their >stay with us." > > School children, meanwhile, were eager just to get back to class. > > "This is ridiculous. Our coaches are in jail," said Rob Stockley, >18, a member of the Middletown South High School state championship >football team who came to the courthouse to show his support. "I just want >to go back to school." > > Middletown Township, a bedroom community near the Atlantic Coast >that has 10,500 students in its school district. > > A district spokesman said about 100 teachers had reported for work >on Tuesday. > > > > > Copyright 2001 New Jersey Online. All Rights Reserved. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
this is not true flavio. my advice: organize against J&J instead of J & C. unite, don't split. -J >From: Groovemeister007@... > >Matt, > >see my private reply to you. The existing steering commitee of >Xavier, Tom, Julie, Danny, Eryn, and Curtis still remain as members >of the group and in charge of the group. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Group gives honors to Larkin, others By: Spencer Ackerman 12/04/01 -------------------------- New Brunswick Tomorrow, an urban public-private partnership non-profit organization, announced yesterday that it will present achievement awards to City Schools Superintendent Ronald Larkin, Middlesex County Freeholder Jane Brady, Magyar Savings Bank President Robert Pastor and Mariam Merced, director of the Community Health Promotion Program at Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital on Little Albany Street, for their contributions to the city. The presentation will be held at the annual NBT holiday party next week at the Hyatt Regency Hotel on Albany Street. "Each of the four individuals to be honored by New Brunswick Tomorrow has made significant contributions to improving the lives of everyone in the community and to the revitalization of the city," NBT Chairman Chris Kjeldsen, vice president for community and workplace programs at Johnson & Johnson, said in a prepared statement. Larkin, who has been the city's superintendent for the past 21 years, will receive the Lifetime Community Service Award. The other three honorees will receive the Public/Private Partnership Awards for 2001. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
Council to hear housing ordinance By: Spencer Ackerman, Senior Writer 12/04/01 -------------------------- After continuous debates, language changes, reintroductions and rescheduling, the city council will finally entertain a second reading on a highly controversial ordinance to amend the city's Housing and Property Maintenance Code at its meeting tonight at City Hall on Bayard Street. If approved, the ordinance will require landlords to register information about their rental units, such as the number of per-unit bedrooms, with the city, pay a $10 annual registration fee to the Rent Leveling Office and arrange for an inspection every three years. While the municipal government contends that the ordinance's stricter enforcement of code provisions will result in an improved, safer housing stock and will yield fewer landlord violations than the current request-based inspection system, many landlords vigorously oppose the bill for many reasons. Landlords argue that the ordinance will create several obstacles for landlords and will ultimately result in decreased affordable space available for renting. Many think the ordinance will pass. "I haven't heard any comments from any council-people to indicate [they would] vote against it," said Councilman Joseph Schrum, noting he was unaware of any informal, pre-meeting council vote. Schrum was joined by Council President Robert Recine to argue the merits of the bill at last night's Rutgers College Governing Association's meeting at the Rutgers Student Center on the College Avenue campus. One of the ordinance's most vocal opponents, Lola Eovino of Edison who rents nine units in the city's Second Ward, expects the ordinance to pass "unless we get complete opposition to it, with students and [other] renters in the Second, Fifth and Sixth wards." After opposing an earlier version of the ordinance � and joining a chorus of anti-ordinance supporters at an April council meeting � the RCGA now supports it. "It'll make landlords be responsible to students," said Legislative Affairs Committee Co-Chairman and senior Mark Cohen. Landlords paint a much different picture. "It's not going to help students; it's going to hinder them," Eovino said. "It's going to put people out on the street. Landlords are going to be saying, 'I'm not going to rent to six people when inspectors say it's got to be four [occupants] and open myself up to a $500 fine,'" said Eovino regarding the first penalty for landlords convicted of violating the property maintenance code. Under the ordinance, landlords must register the number and square footage of rental bedrooms with the city's Rent Leveling Office. For the past 20 years, the city's Housing and Property Maintenance Code has set minimum occupancy square footage at 90 square feet for rental space, which conflicts with the state minimum of 70 square feet. Since most of the city's housing stock is older than 20 years, landlords like Barbara Brecker, a city resident herself who owns eight rental units, are afraid that required number of inspections will bring inspectors who "immediately pull out a tape measure" to enforce conformity with a standard more expansive than the state's. Revocation of an inspection certificate � which landlords must have in order to rent � may occur if a landlord permits "the rental unit to be occupied by more than the maximum number of occupants � after receipt of 30 days notice of such violation," according to the ordinance. If an inspector determines a bedroom is smaller than the requirement of 90 square feet, landlords like Brecker and Eovino fear they will only have 30 days to tell its occupant to leave. Chief Housing Inspector Norman Pollitt said landlords will have another option: if his team of 10 inspectors finds "something that does not meet the code and does not pose a safety hazard and would be very, very difficult physically to correct" � such as "moving a structural wall to accommodate three, five square feet" � landlords can request a modification to the code for their property, which would be adjudicated by Pollitt's office. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
Oppose Gouging of Honest Landlords The proposed rental ordinance by the New Brunswick Democratic Machine is a thinly disguised revenue-generating ploy, and an attempt to constrict out of town landlords. The increased inspections and fees are not intended to protect tenants' well being, as evidenced by the priority given to upscale, corporate housing and the destruction of low-income, "affordabl" housing in the city. Rather the ordinance is aimed at further passing the tax/revenue burden off the shoulders of NB's giants, like J&J, onto the backs of honest and hard working small property owners. & simultaneously, to begin to lean on these landlords as the city bosses hand our neighborhoods over to the corporate monopolies, under the sugarcoated claim of "revitalization". All city planning/development bodies (Devco, NB Tomorrow, &tc.) must be democratically constituted and accountable to the community. join & support the New Brunswick Peoples Campaign. No Republicans! Next meeting will be held 12:00noon Saturday, 5 January, NB public library. Cliff Smith New Brunswick Peoples Campaign 732.214.8828 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
hang yrself in yr own words, flavio. we can work together, or you can move on, but the nbpc exists & is moving forward. p.s. this proposal also was unanimously approved. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: Tamara, I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every progressive group under the sun who are using it for their bickering. That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At the June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state the issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month window, were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help further these goals. Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple of months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and Accountability Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would vote it down. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> wrote: > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and Smashing > Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus of the NBPC should > organize and unite with all other women's organizations and head the efforts > to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in contact with Planned > Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and McGreevey's campaign to schedule > a NB event in October in defense of women, public education, and unions and > to demand voting and working rights for all. At least one child care center > in NB has fired it's undocumented women teachers because these private > daycares are now contracted out by the state. This displacement of latina > community members in an attack on public education has to be organized > around and McGreevey be forced to take a position on it. > > Smash Schundler! > Women's Victory 2001! > > Tamara > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- End forwarded message ---
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: Keith- this is an excellent formulation. It might should mention generally the callusion of the two party system in the overall maintainance of imperialism, and in particular the relationship of Republicanism to jingoism and the most reactionary, chauvinist, backward representatives of internaional finance capital. (ie- we operate in fundamental and complete opposition to fascism in all forms, etc...) -Matthew ----Original Message Follows---- From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To: "nbpeoplescampaign@e..." <nbpeoplescampaign@y...>, "njfo@e..." <njfo@e...> Subject: [nbpc] next camapign meeting Date: Sat, 05 Jan 1980 11:32:14 -0500 We should work out a statement of purpose that goes something like this: Opposse republicans everywhere. Opposse democrats independently where we can win and support them where republicans are a threat. Work to end the two party system and replace it with a multi-party system. This should be fleshed out but it can work as a basis. Keith To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@e... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@e... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ terms/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/ intl.asp --- End forwarded message ---
--- In nbpcmembers@y..., Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@y...> wrote: My understanding is that the next meeting will be on Sept the 8th since we could not get a room for Sept. 25th. Even then, we will be in a small room next door to the library the library. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --- End forwarded message ---
--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@h...> wrote:
This is to clear up the meeting confusion. The
library is reserved for September 8 at 2pm. The library wasn't
available for the 25th. If people want to meet outside, all power to
you. Paul
--- End forwarded message ---
--- In nbpcmembers@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: Wrong again, Cliff! You can't seem to get it throught your head that on June 30, the Membership approved two "purposes" (yes, that's the word they used) of the Campaign. I'll spell it out again, verbatim: Therefore, the following two points are adopted as the purposes of the New Brunswick People's Campaign effective immediately: 1. To win the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability Ordinance of 2001 by a popular referendum to be held at the 2001 general election. ... 2. To win the mayor's seat and the two city council seats which will be open in the 2002 general election, running on a progressive platform demonstrably supported by the people as measured through surveying and a vote at a people's convention. Therefore, you are misrepresenting the facts when you claim that "the peoples' campaign [sic] is established on the basis of organizing the democratic struggle against the opponent of democracy: imperialism. beyond any particular one tactic." I understand you don't like that, but that's what the Membership has decreed. If you have a problem with that, go join another group that feels as you do. This group does not. --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > it is disingenuous (at best) to oppose these 2 "formulations". > > the 1st is a statement of developed purpose &strategy. > > the 2nd, 2 select tactics w/in an already determined context of purpose > &strategy. > > the peoples' campaign is established on the basis of organizing the > democratic struggle against the opponent of democracy: imperialism. beyond > any particular one tactic. > > this struggle is not won by any specific referendum or election. rather, > these are to be used by the pc to...unite, organize, &seize peoples' > democratic power. > > in supporting the 1st proposal, there is no necessary opposition to the 2nd. > the argument is then about priority of positive tactics. > > unless there is opposition to the proposed objective &strategy, which has > not been stated... > > cs > > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] New poll for nbpcmembers > >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 18:21:05 > > > > > >First formulation. > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: nbpcmembers@y... > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] New poll for nbpcmembers > >Date: 21 Aug 2001 22:40:04 -0000 > > > > > >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > >nbpcmembers group: > > > >In this poll, I am asking > >members of this listserv - especially > >and including the "lurkers" who do not > >actively participate to vote on > >which of these two formulations about > >the direction of the Campaign they > >personally agree with more. Voting for > >one or the other does not mean total > >agreement, but I would like to get a > >general sense of where the listserv > >members stand. > > > >The first formulation is that offered > >by Cliff Smith in his recent messages. > >Summarized, it states: "the objective > >of the nbpeoplescampaign is peoples' > >democracy and political power. the > >nbpc will make strategic alliances > >w/all democratic forces & tactical > >alliances w/all democratic tendencies. > >immediately, this means to support ras > >baraka for nwk council, may '02. to > >smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the > >fire! in nov. '01. then to take nb > >elected school board, mayor & 2council > >seats in nov. 02. also to develop in > >hp &elsewhere. all alliances w/ > >republican representatives &positions > >by nbpc leadership were/are anti- > >democratic deviations at the peoples' > >expense. one cannot simultaneously > >uphold the republican party platform & > >peoples' democracy. the nbpc must > >establish itself on an uncompromising > >democratic basis w/ uncompromising > >democratic leadership." > > > >The second formulation was approved at > >the July 28, 2001 meeting, and is as > >follows: "[T]he following two points > >are adopted as the purposes of the New > >Brunswick People's Campaign effective > >immediately: 1. To win the New > >Brunswick Democracy and Accountability > >Ordinance of 2001 by a popular > >referendum to be held at the 2001 > >general election. 2. To win the > >mayor's seat and the two city council > >seats which will be open in the 2002 > >general election, running on a > >progressive platform demonstrably > >supported by the people as measured > >through surveying and a vote at a > >people's convention." > > > >PLEASE CAST YOUR VOTE. THANKS! > > > > > > > > > > o First formulation (Cliff Smith) > > o Second formulation (membership's 7/28 vote) > > > > > >To vote, please visit the following web page: > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nbpcmembers/polls > > > >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > >web site listed above. > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- End forwarded message ---
(tamara's proposal passed unanimously) > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: >Tamara, > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every >progressive group under the sun who are using it for their bickering. > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At the >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state the >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month window, >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help >further these goals. > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple of >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and Accountability >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this >additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would vote >it down. > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> >wrote: > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus of the >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's organizations and >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in contact >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and McGreevey's >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in defense of women, public >education, and unions and to demand voting and working rights for all. At >least one child care center in NB has fired it's undocumented women >teachers because these private daycares are now contracted out by the >state. This displacement of latina community members in an attack on public >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be forced to take a >position on it. > > > > Smash Schundler! > > Women's Victory 2001! > > > > Tamara Dahan > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction! I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't recognize the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following happened (this is per an email he sent me on November 15). >>> on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general membership made the official decision that the republican agenda & the peoples campaign agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, curtis warren, tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you can check with tamara dahan tamaradahan@... or cliff smith cliffsmith69@... joe >>> Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there anything about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the Republicans???? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously) > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > >Tamara, > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for their bickering. > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At the > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state the > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month window, > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help > >further these goals. > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple of > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and Accountability > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would vote > >it down. > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> > >wrote: > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus of the > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's organizations and > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in contact > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and McGreevey's > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in defense of women, public > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working rights for all. At > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's undocumented women > >teachers because these private daycares are now contracted out by the > >state. This displacement of latina community members in an attack on public > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be forced to take a > >position on it. > > > > > > Smash Schundler! > > > Women's Victory 2001! > > > > > > Tamara Dahan > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called the next meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates, but the facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home news & targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies. the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000 > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction! > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't recognize >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following happened >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15). > > > >>> >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general >membership >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the peoples >campaign >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, curtis >warren, >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you can >check >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@... or cliff smith >cliffsmith69@... > >joe > >>> > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there anything >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the >Republicans???? > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously) > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > >Tamara, > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for their >bickering. > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At >the > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state >the > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month >window, > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help > > >further these goals. > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple >of > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and >Accountability > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would >vote > > >it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> > > >wrote: > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus >of the > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's >organizations and > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in >contact > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and >McGreevey's > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in defense of women, >public > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working rights for >all. At > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's undocumented >women > > >teachers because these private daycares are now contracted out by >the > > >state. This displacement of latina community members in an attack >on public > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be forced to >take a > > >position on it. > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler! > > > > Women's Victory 2001! > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told the Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in September. Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me, and November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it be because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND? --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called the next > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates, but the > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home news & > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies. > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000 > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction! > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't recognize > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following happened > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15). > > > > > > >>> > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general > >membership > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the peoples > >campaign > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, curtis > >warren, > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you can > >check > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith > >cliffsmith69@h... > > > >joe > > >>> > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there anything > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the > >Republicans???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > >Tamara, > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the only > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can see, > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from every > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for their > >bickering. > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. At > >the > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly state > >the > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two short > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating that > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month > >window, > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and Accountability > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning the > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also voted at > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help > > > >further these goals. > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into the > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused goals, > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate for > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every couple > >of > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already resolved > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and > >Accountability > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I would > >vote > > > >it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> > > > >wrote: > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election and > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's Caucus > >of the > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's > >organizations and > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been in > >contact > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and > >McGreevey's > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in defense of women, > >public > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working rights for > >all. At > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's undocumented > >women > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now contracted out by > >the > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members in an attack > >on public > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be forced to > >take a > > > >position on it. > > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler! > > > > > Women's Victory 2001! > > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was abolished. the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed unanimously. the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay, serenia, carlos, kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe, kevin, jennifer, diana. i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the meeting didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a poll to counter cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara about why you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8. i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the republican SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before mike reilly called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to him. and you can have it too if you want to give me a fax#. it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any questions you might have...jackass. -joe >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@...> >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told the >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in September. > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me, and >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it be >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND? > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called >the next > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates, >but the > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home >news & > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies. > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000 > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction! > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't >recognize > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following >happened > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15). > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general > > >membership > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the peoples > > >campaign > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, curtis > > >warren, > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you >can > > >check > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith > > >cliffsmith69@h... > > > > > >joe > > > >>> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there anything > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the > > >Republicans???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> >wrote: > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote: > > > > >Tamara, > > > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I think is the >only > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As you can >see, > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by squabblers from >every > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for their > > >bickering. > > > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your proposal. >At > > >the > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to clearly >state > > >the > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction, in two >short > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution stating >that > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-month > > >window, > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and >Accountability > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2) winning >the > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership also >voted at > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it would help > > > > >further these goals. > > > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of Schundler into >the > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-focused >goals, > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more appropriate >for > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find it > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign every >couple > > >of > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has already >resolved > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and > > >Accountability > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore, for this > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the proposal, I >would > > >vote > > > > >it down. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" ><tamaradahan@h...> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming election >and > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the Women's >Caucus > > >of the > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's > > >organizations and > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has already been >in > > >contact > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW and > > >McGreevey's > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in defense of >women, > > >public > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working rights >for > > >all. At > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's undocumented > > >women > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now contracted out >by > > >the > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members in an >attack > > >on public > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be forced to > > >take a > > > > >position on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler! > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001! > > > > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Factionalism plagues Campaign By: Michael Reilly, Staff Writer 12/06/01 -------------------------- Known for its short but turmoil-fueled history of political expulsions, neighborhood outreach, radical statements, complaints of stolen agendas and 24 percent of the vote in last year's unsuccessful attempt to seat three members of the city council, the local political movement known as the Peoples' Campaign is trying to reassert itself as a political force in the city for next year's mayoral and council elections. But separated by both ideological and methodical differences, two factions within the campaign have each recently attempted to gain control of the organization and lay claim to its legacy. "I want to make sure that people know that Joe Smith and his faction represent nothing of the Peoples' Campaign that worked in the 2000 election, nor the 200 people that worked in it," said Tom DeGloma, a student at the Graduate School of Sociology and a member of the Peoples' Campaign's steering committee during its peak period of activity, during and immediately following the 2000 election. DeGloma is angry that University College sophomore Smith � a one-time member of the steering committee who was expelled from the campaign in May 2000 for what DeGloma described as confrontational behavior � has recently been holding meetings as a self-described member of the organization's steering committee in the name of the Peoples' Campaign. The most recent meeting, attended by less than 10 people, took place Saturday at the Free Public Library on Livingston Avenue. Calling the question of control over the organization secondary while still disputing Smith's steering committee membership claim, DeGloma accused Smith of pilfering the reputation that the campaign established while canvassing for the 2000 elections. Formed prior to the 2000 city council elections, the original goal of the campaign was to organize support behind three council candidates � Keith Joseph, Curtis Warren and Diego Morales � as alternatives to the victorious Democratic administration. Calling the campaign "one of the most viable and progressive and broad movements seen in New Brunswick," DeGloma accused Smith and his faction of "picking fights with allies who were supportive of the Peoples' Campaign" during last year's elections. Both DeGloma and the organization's general counsel, Flavio Komuves, dispute Smith's claim that he returned to the Peoples' Campaign steering committee during a committee meeting this past Sept. 8. While DeGloma denies that a legitimately called meeting occurred on that date, Komuves accepts the validity of the September meeting but disputes the steering committee decision, although he was not present at the time. Neither was able to provide any record or minutes of the meeting. Smith insisted that both the Sept. 8 meeting and his reinstatement as a member of the steering committee were valid, calling DeGloma and Komuves' accusations "a complete lie." Lambasting DeGloma and his supporters, Smith accused them of being undeserving of the campaign's legacy of returning political control to the community at large through its defunct alliance with the city's Republican Party. "People can talk shit if they want to talk shit," Smith said. "The issue was community control then, and it's community control now � I always represented that platform." The open, broad and informal nature of the campaign's record keeping may well have been the cause of the confusion. With no officially and universally recognized documentation of meeting times and internal voting, the validity of Smith's claim to is difficult to prove or disprove. -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
Housing ordinance succeeds By: Michael Reilly, Staff Writer 12/06/01 -------------------------- After nearly two hours of listening to heated commentary from an assembled throng of over 80 people packed into council chambers in City Hall on Bayard Street, the city council unanimously passed a controversial three-year-old ordinance to amend the city's Housing and Property Maintenance Code. The ordinance changed inspection on the city's non-owner-occupied rental stock from request-based to once every three years and requiring landlords to register the number of bedrooms in their rental units. "I think this [ordinance] will really make quality of life better for everyone," said Councilman Jimmie Cook immediately after casting the first vote of the night, a resounding "aye" that was directly followed by a sharp "boo," from local activist and University College sophomore Joe Smith, who promptly learned that he was out of order. Cook's composure unfazed, the councilman admitted that while the ordinance may hurt some city residents, that number would be drastically outweighed by the number "who have been suffering," and would benefit from the new inspection policy. Landlords Frank and Lola Eovino � who rent nine units in the city's Second Ward and have been at the forefront of opposition to the ordinance � argued that the ordinance will drive poorer residents from their homes. Calling the ordinance an "attack on the working poor," Frank Eovino reminisced about the immigrant tradition of coming to the United States and sharing a small apartment while working and saving, and eventually buying and renting out property as an income supplement � a tradition his own family took part in. Both Eovinos also said that the ordinance lacked specific provisions explaining how landlords who lost their inspection licenses � necessary for renting � could regain them. However, Council President Robert Recine explained that the Housing and Property Maintenance Code provides an appeals process. "We're going to give people a chance to fix what's wrong," Recine said, adding that he expected to see the changes phased in over a three-year period. In a group of landlords smoking and steaming outside City Hall after the vote, landlord Robert Maglies offered the most direct opposition to the ordinance, explaining that his lawyer James Tarella would immediately file suit against the freshly-passed ordinance in state superior court and filing a motion to prevent enforcement of the ordinance until he "gets his day in court." But several landlords supported the ordinance, at least in spirit, as did the Rutgers College Governing Association and Rutgers College student chapter of the New Jersey Public Interest Research Group. Both groups sent delegations to the meeting to support the ordinance, feeling � as Public Information Officer Steve Lenox explained � that what the ordinance truly provided was "protection for tenants." -------------------------- Story Source: The Daily Targum
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For the edification of other members, here is correspondence previously exchanged with Mr. Smith, whose efforts to steal the good name of the NBPC are, thankfully, falling flat on their face. As you see, it was November 12 that he first told me that the Campaign is not "accepting" membership from Republicans. He also demands to be put on the egroup (even though he has been on and actively posting since August 12 - just after the vote to reinstate him as a member). Then, on November 15 he changes his story and says that "known republicans" are "expelled." Here, he specifically makes the claim that the vote occurred on October 3. As you see, I gave him ample opportunity to present evidence before concluding any meetings after September 8 were invalid. Also, the attached also shows that Mr. Smith asked me to improperly disclose the membership list, in violation of the Campaign's privacy principles. Note that here - November 15 - is the first time he claims he is on the Steering Commitee. Finally, although he has been asked repeatedly, Mr. Smith still refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee members. ----- Original Message ----- From: Flavio Komuves <flavio.komuves@...> To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > Joe, > > thank you for your message. At this time, I am still exploring the validity > of your purported election to the Steering Committee and your request > concerning moderator privileges. > > In particular, it concerns me that although I have asked them, none of the > remaining members of the Steering Committee elected February 10, 2001, i.e. > Warren, Hansen, Rosado, DeGloma, Poulous, or Loeb, either individually or > collectively, called a membership meeting in October or since then. In > particular, I am asking who has called any meetings since 10/3? Given these > statements from the SC members, I must question the legal validity of any > purported meeting held since that time. Moreover, even if there had been a > lawful meeting, I have reviewed the archives of nbpeoplescampaign and nbpc > members and found only a passing reference to the expulsion of republicans, > and certainly no mention of any election of you to the SC. Although I have > seen scores of posts from you, it concerns me that you did not mention these > purported votes. Indeed, one would think that the general counsel of a > group, such as myself, would be personally notified if there were radical > changes in the governance or policies of the group such as you have > declared, and I have heard nothing from you in this regard before November > 12. In sum: if there was no lawful meeting, it follows that neither your > purported election to the SC nor the Republicans' expulsion is valid. I am > not making any conclusions at this time but am simply informing you of the > issues I am considering. > > With regard to making the names on the egroup public, page 4 of the the > 2/10/01 minutes state: "In addition, the Campaign has continuing privacy > concerns that motivated the proposal for a phone tree rather than for the > distribution of complete membership lists." In light of that, and the fact > that you have mentioned no repealer of that dictum either by the membership > or any body of the Campaign, I question whether anyone - you, me, or any > other Campaign member, should be revealing membership lists. As such, I do > not think it would be appropriate to do so unless each named person gives > consent in that regard. > > Please contact me if you have additional information for my consideration. > > Flavio L. Komuves > General Counsel ----- Original Message ----- From: joseph smith <can_bush@...> To: <flavio.komuves@...> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: MODERATE -- > i request a list of membership of the nbpcmembers egroups site and that the > membership click be readily accessible from the egroups site. the site says > there are 58 members. > joe - NBPC steering committe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: joseph smith <can_bush@...> > To: <flavio.komuves@...> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > > > > > on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general > membership > > made the official decision that the republican agenda & the peoples > campaign > > agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, curtis > warren, > > tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you can > check > > with tamara dahan tamaradahan@... or cliff smith > > cliffsmith69@... > > > > joe > > > > > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> > > >To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:25:54 -0500 > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > >enlighten me, please. > > > > > >1. You are on this egroup already. All steering committee members have > > >moderator privileges. I disapprove, among other things, messages not > > >relating to NB and/or putting the NBPC in a bad light and/or breaching > > >privileged communications. On that basis, I have approved some and > > >disapproved some of your messages in the last few weeks - look at the > > >message list if you want confirmation of the various things from you I've > > >approved. > > > > > >2. As the egroup moderator, I will of course comply with lawful > directives > > >of the membership or SC. Can you point me to which lawful meeting > directed > > >that NBPC "is not accepting membership from republicans" (with minutes, > > >preferably)? Also, what was decided about people who are already members > > >but who are Republicans, i.e. what was the vote as to them - was there a > > >vote to expel them? If so, and since expulsion can be based only on SRR > > >violations or conduct seriously inimical to the campaign, what conduct > was > > >charged? Lastly, who (by name) are the republicans in question and how > did > > >you ascertain this? > > > > > >Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Yahoo! Groups Notification > > ><nbpcmembers-accept-LFy5rKA4q7JfUie0@yahoogroups.com> > > >To: <nbpcmembers-owner@yahoogroups.com> > > >Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:37 AM > > >Subject: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > A message has been sent to the nbpcmembers group from > > > > > > > > can_bush@... > > > > > > > > The message summary: > > > > -------------------- > > > > FROM: can_bush@... > > > > DATE: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:37:31 -0500 > > > > SUBJECT: Re: Patterson LTE response > > > > > > > > put me on this e-list flavio. the peoples campaign, > > > > including egroups, is not accepting membership from > > > > republicans. the vote has carried, will you comply? joe > > > >
you are liars flavio/tom. sept. 8- republican allied steering committee abolished and all republicans voted out. that is when the general body called for the oct. 3 meeting. you wanna talk about credibility, then where is your retraction to the home news since now you recognize the sept. 8 meeting? unite the many, defeat the few! NBPC 2002 tamara >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting, >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:24:37 -0000 > >For the edification of other members, here is correspondence >previously exchanged with Mr. Smith, whose efforts to steal the good >name of the NBPC are, thankfully, falling flat on their face. > >As you see, it was November 12 that he first told me that the >Campaign is not "accepting" membership from Republicans. He also >demands to be put on the egroup (even though he has been on and >actively posting since August 12 - just after the vote to reinstate >him as a member). > >Then, on November 15 he changes his story and says that "known >republicans" are "expelled." Here, he specifically makes the claim >that the vote occurred on October 3. > >As you see, I gave him ample opportunity to present evidence before >concluding any meetings after September 8 were invalid. > >Also, the attached also shows that Mr. Smith asked me to improperly >disclose the membership list, in violation of the Campaign's privacy >principles. Note that here - November 15 - is the first time he >claims he is on the Steering Commitee. > >Finally, although he has been asked repeatedly, Mr. Smith still >refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee >members. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Flavio Komuves <flavio.komuves@...> >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:17 PM >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > Joe, > > > > thank you for your message. At this time, I am still exploring the >validity > > of your purported election to the Steering Committee and your >request > > concerning moderator privileges. > > > > In particular, it concerns me that although I have asked them, none >of the > > remaining members of the Steering Committee elected February 10, >2001, >i.e. > > Warren, Hansen, Rosado, DeGloma, Poulous, or Loeb, either >individually or > > collectively, called a membership meeting in October or since >then. In > > particular, I am asking who has called any meetings since 10/3? >Given >these > > statements from the SC members, I must question the legal validity >of any > > purported meeting held since that time. Moreover, even if there >had been >a > > lawful meeting, I have reviewed the archives of nbpeoplescampaign >and nbpc > > members and found only a passing reference to the expulsion of >republicans, > > and certainly no mention of any election of you to the SC. >Although I >have > > seen scores of posts from you, it concerns me that you did not >mention >these > > purported votes. Indeed, one would think that the general counsel >of a > > group, such as myself, would be personally notified if there were >radical > > changes in the governance or policies of the group such as you have > > declared, and I have heard nothing from you in this regard before >November > > 12. In sum: if there was no lawful meeting, it follows that >neither your > > purported election to the SC nor the Republicans' expulsion is >valid. I >am > > not making any conclusions at this time but am simply informing you >of the > > issues I am considering. > > > > With regard to making the names on the egroup public, page 4 of the >the > > 2/10/01 minutes state: "In addition, the Campaign has continuing >privacy > > concerns that motivated the proposal for a phone tree rather than >for the > > distribution of complete membership lists." In light of that, and >the >fact > > that you have mentioned no repealer of that dictum either by the >membership > > or any body of the Campaign, I question whether anyone - you, me, >or any > > other Campaign member, should be revealing membership lists. As >such, I >do > > not think it would be appropriate to do so unless each named person >gives > > consent in that regard. > > > > Please contact me if you have additional information for my >consideration. > > > > Flavio L. Komuves > > General Counsel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >To: <flavio.komuves@...> >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- > > > > i request a list of membership of the nbpcmembers egroups site and >that >the > > membership click be readily accessible from the egroups site. the >site >says > > there are 58 members. > > joe - NBPC steering committe > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: joseph smith <can_bush@...> > > To: <flavio.komuves@...> > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:19 AM > > Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > > > > > > > > > > on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general > > membership > > > made the official decision that the republican agenda & the >peoples > > campaign > > > agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, >curtis > > warren, > > > tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you >can > > check > > > with tamara dahan tamaradahan@... or cliff smith > > > cliffsmith69@... > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> > > > >To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to >nbpcmembers > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:25:54 -0500 > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > >enlighten me, please. > > > > > > > >1. You are on this egroup already. All steering committee >members have > > > >moderator privileges. I disapprove, among other things, >messages not > > > >relating to NB and/or putting the NBPC in a bad light and/or >breaching > > > >privileged communications. On that basis, I have approved some >and > > > >disapproved some of your messages in the last few weeks - look >at the > > > >message list if you want confirmation of the various things from >you >I've > > > >approved. > > > > > > > >2. As the egroup moderator, I will of course comply with lawful > > directives > > > >of the membership or SC. Can you point me to which lawful >meeting > > directed > > > >that NBPC "is not accepting membership from republicans" (with >minutes, > > > >preferably)? Also, what was decided about people who are already >members > > > >but who are Republicans, i.e. what was the vote as to them - was >there >a > > > >vote to expel them? If so, and since expulsion can be based >only on >SRR > > > >violations or conduct seriously inimical to the campaign, what >conduct > > was > > > >charged? Lastly, who (by name) are the republicans in question >and how > > did > > > >you ascertain this? > > > > > > > >Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Yahoo! Groups Notification > > > ><nbpcmembers-accept-LFy5rKA4q7JfUie0@yahoogroups.com> > > > >To: <nbpcmembers-owner@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:37 AM > > > >Subject: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > A message has been sent to the nbpcmembers group from > > > > > > > > > > can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > The message summary: > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > FROM: can_bush@... > > > > > DATE: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:37:31 -0500 > > > > > SUBJECT: Re: Patterson LTE response > > > > > > > > > > put me on this e-list flavio. the peoples campaign, > > > > > including egroups, is not accepting membership from > > > > > republicans. the vote has carried, will you comply? joe > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
vote carried unanimously liar. oct3 meeting was called at sept8 meeting, making it legit liar. now you got your dates in order liar? retraction of letter to swaters@... is necessary liar. what do you think would happen at the meeting sept8 when y'all republican allies don't show? -joe >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@...> > >For the edification of other members, here is correspondence >previously exchanged with Mr. Smith, whose efforts to steal the good >name of the NBPC are, thankfully, falling flat on their face. >As you see, it was November 12 that he first told me that the >Campaign is not "accepting" membership from Republicans. He also >demands to be put on the egroup (even though he has been on and >actively posting since August 12 - just after the vote to reinstate >him as a member).Then, on November 15 he changes his story and says that >"known republicans" are "expelled." Here, he specifically makes the claim >that the vote occurred on October 3. >As you see, I gave him ample opportunity to present evidence before >concluding any meetings after September 8 were invalid. > >Also, the attached also shows that Mr. Smith asked me to improperly >disclose the membership list, in violation of the Campaign's privacy >principles. Note that here - November 15 - is the first time he >claims he is on the Steering Commitee. > >Finally, although he has been asked repeatedly, Mr. Smith still >refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee >members. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Flavio Komuves <flavio.komuves@...> >To: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:17 PM >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > Joe, > > > > thank you for your message. At this time, I am still exploring the >validity > > of your purported election to the Steering Committee and your >request > > concerning moderator privileges. > > > > In particular, it concerns me that although I have asked them, none >of the > > remaining members of the Steering Committee elected February 10, >2001, >i.e. > > Warren, Hansen, Rosado, DeGloma, Poulous, or Loeb, either >individually or > > collectively, called a membership meeting in October or since >then. In > > particular, I am asking who has called any meetings since 10/3? >Given >these > > statements from the SC members, I must question the legal validity >of any > > purported meeting held since that time. Moreover, even if there >had been >a > > lawful meeting, I have reviewed the archives of nbpeoplescampaign >and nbpc > > members and found only a passing reference to the expulsion of >republicans, > > and certainly no mention of any election of you to the SC. >Although I >have > > seen scores of posts from you, it concerns me that you did not >mention >these > > purported votes. Indeed, one would think that the general counsel >of a > > group, such as myself, would be personally notified if there were >radical > > changes in the governance or policies of the group such as you have > > declared, and I have heard nothing from you in this regard before >November > > 12. In sum: if there was no lawful meeting, it follows that >neither your > > purported election to the SC nor the Republicans' expulsion is >valid. I >am > > not making any conclusions at this time but am simply informing you >of the > > issues I am considering. > > > > With regard to making the names on the egroup public, page 4 of the >the > > 2/10/01 minutes state: "In addition, the Campaign has continuing >privacy > > concerns that motivated the proposal for a phone tree rather than >for the > > distribution of complete membership lists." In light of that, and >the >fact > > that you have mentioned no repealer of that dictum either by the >membership > > or any body of the Campaign, I question whether anyone - you, me, >or any > > other Campaign member, should be revealing membership lists. As >such, I >do > > not think it would be appropriate to do so unless each named person >gives > > consent in that regard. > > > > Please contact me if you have additional information for my >consideration. > > > > Flavio L. Komuves > > General Counsel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: joseph smith <can_bush@...> >To: <flavio.komuves@...> >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:24 AM >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- > > > > i request a list of membership of the nbpcmembers egroups site and >that >the > > membership click be readily accessible from the egroups site. the >site >says > > there are 58 members. > > joe - NBPC steering committe > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: joseph smith <can_bush@...> > > To: <flavio.komuves@...> > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 11:19 AM > > Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > > > > > > > > > > on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign general > > membership > > > made the official decision that the republican agenda & the >peoples > > campaign > > > agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank bright, >curtis > > warren, > > > tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership & egroups. you >can > > check > > > with tamara dahan tamaradahan@... or cliff smith > > > cliffsmith69@... > > > > > > joe > > > > > > > > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> > > > >To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> > > > >Subject: Re: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to >nbpcmembers > > > >Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:25:54 -0500 > > > > > > > >Joe, > > > > > > > >enlighten me, please. > > > > > > > >1. You are on this egroup already. All steering committee >members have > > > >moderator privileges. I disapprove, among other things, >messages not > > > >relating to NB and/or putting the NBPC in a bad light and/or >breaching > > > >privileged communications. On that basis, I have approved some >and > > > >disapproved some of your messages in the last few weeks - look >at the > > > >message list if you want confirmation of the various things from >you >I've > > > >approved. > > > > > > > >2. As the egroup moderator, I will of course comply with lawful > > directives > > > >of the membership or SC. Can you point me to which lawful >meeting > > directed > > > >that NBPC "is not accepting membership from republicans" (with >minutes, > > > >preferably)? Also, what was decided about people who are already >members > > > >but who are Republicans, i.e. what was the vote as to them - was >there >a > > > >vote to expel them? If so, and since expulsion can be based >only on >SRR > > > >violations or conduct seriously inimical to the campaign, what >conduct > > was > > > >charged? Lastly, who (by name) are the republicans in question >and how > > did > > > >you ascertain this? > > > > > > > >Please advise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Yahoo! Groups Notification > > > ><nbpcmembers-accept-LFy5rKA4q7JfUie0@yahoogroups.com> > > > >To: <nbpcmembers-owner@yahoogroups.com> > > > >Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:37 AM > > > >Subject: MODERATE -- can_bush@... posted to nbpcmembers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > A message has been sent to the nbpcmembers group from > > > > > > > > > > can_bush@... > > > > > > > > > > The message summary: > > > > > -------------------- > > > > > FROM: can_bush@... > > > > > DATE: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:37:31 -0500 > > > > > SUBJECT: Re: Patterson LTE response > > > > > > > > > > put me on this e-list flavio. the peoples campaign, > > > > > including egroups, is not accepting membership from > > > > > republicans. the vote has carried, will you comply? joe > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
boo hoo - to bad for you.
unite the many, defeat the few!
nbpc 2002
next meeting 5january 12:00noon
new brunswick public library
joe smith
steering committee
>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>
>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>
>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>
>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>
>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>
>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>
>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>
>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>
(from flavio)
>
>
>
>
>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>the next
> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>but the
> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>news &
> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >
> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
> >
> >
> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
> > >
> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
> > >
> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>abolished.
> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
> > >unanimously.
> > > >
> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>serenia,
> > >carlos,
> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
> > >kevin,
> > > > jennifer, diana.
> > > >
> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
> > >meeting
> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>poll to
> > >counter
> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
> > >about why
> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
> > > >
> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
> > >republican
> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>mike
> > >reilly
> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>him.
> > >and you
> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
> > > >
> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
> > >questions
> > > > you might have...jackass.
> > > >
> > > > -joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > >
> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>the
> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>September.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>and
> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>be
> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>committee
> > >was
> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
> > >called
> > > > >the next
> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>dates,
> > > > >but the
> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>the
> > >home
> > > > >news &
> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>flavier? -joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
> > > > >recognize
> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
> > > > >happened
> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
> > >general
> > > > > > >membership
> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
> > >peoples
> > > > > > >campaign
> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>bright,
> > >curtis
> > > > > > >warren,
> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>egroups.
> > >you
> > > > >can
> > > > > > >check
> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >joe
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
> > >anything
> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
> > > > > > >Republicans????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>think is
> > >the
> > > > >only
> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>you
> > >can
> > > > >see,
> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>squabblers
> > >from
> > > > >every
> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>their
> > > > > > >bickering.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
> > >proposal.
> > > > >At
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>clearly
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>in
> > >two
> > > > >short
> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
> > >stating
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
> > >month
> > > > > > >window,
> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
> > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
> > >winning
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>also
> > > > >voted at
> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>would
> > >help
> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>Schundler
> > >into
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
> > >focused
> > > > >goals,
> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
> > >appropriate
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>it
> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>every
> > > > >couple
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>already
> > > > >resolved
> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
> > > > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>for
> > >this
> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>proposal, I
> > > > >would
> > > > > > >vote
> > > > > > > > >it down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
> > >election
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>Women's
> > > > >Caucus
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
> > > > > > >organizations and
> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>already
> > >been
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >contact
> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>and
> > > > > > >McGreevey's
> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>defense of
> > > > >women,
> > > > > > >public
> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
> > >rights
> > > > >for
> > > > > > >all. At
> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
> > >undocumented
> > > > > > >women
> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>contracted
> > >out
> > > > >by
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>in an
> > > > >attack
> > > > > > >on public
> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
> > >forced to
> > > > > > >take a
> > > > > > > > >position on it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > >
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at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called the next
meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
but the facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
news & targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
poor flavier, can't beat a bunch of little kids. -joe
>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>NBPC members
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
>
>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>
>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>
>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>
>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>
>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>
>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>
>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>
>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>the next
> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>but the
> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>news &
> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >
> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
> >
> >
> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
> > >
> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
> > >
> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>abolished.
> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
> > >unanimously.
> > > >
> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>serenia,
> > >carlos,
> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
> > >kevin,
> > > > jennifer, diana.
> > > >
> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
> > >meeting
> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>poll to
> > >counter
> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
> > >about why
> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
> > > >
> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
> > >republican
> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>mike
> > >reilly
> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>him.
> > >and you
> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
> > > >
> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
> > >questions
> > > > you might have...jackass.
> > > >
> > > > -joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > >
> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>the
> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>September.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>and
> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>be
> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>committee
> > >was
> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
> > >called
> > > > >the next
> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>dates,
> > > > >but the
> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>the
> > >home
> > > > >news &
> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>flavier? -joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
> > > > >recognize
> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
> > > > >happened
> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
> > >general
> > > > > > >membership
> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
> > >peoples
> > > > > > >campaign
> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>bright,
> > >curtis
> > > > > > >warren,
> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>egroups.
> > >you
> > > > >can
> > > > > > >check
> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >joe
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
> > >anything
> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
> > > > > > >Republicans????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>think is
> > >the
> > > > >only
> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>you
> > >can
> > > > >see,
> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>squabblers
> > >from
> > > > >every
> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>their
> > > > > > >bickering.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
> > >proposal.
> > > > >At
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>clearly
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>in
> > >two
> > > > >short
> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
> > >stating
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
> > >month
> > > > > > >window,
> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
> > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
> > >winning
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>also
> > > > >voted at
> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>would
> > >help
> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>Schundler
> > >into
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
> > >focused
> > > > >goals,
> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
> > >appropriate
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>it
> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>every
> > > > >couple
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>already
> > > > >resolved
> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
> > > > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>for
> > >this
> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>proposal, I
> > > > >would
> > > > > > >vote
> > > > > > > > >it down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
> > >election
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>Women's
> > > > >Caucus
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
> > > > > > >organizations and
> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>already
> > >been
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >contact
> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>and
> > > > > > >McGreevey's
> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>defense of
> > > > >women,
> > > > > > >public
> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
> > >rights
> > > > >for
> > > > > > >all. At
> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
> > >undocumented
> > > > > > >women
> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>contracted
> > >out
> > > > >by
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>in an
> > > > >attack
> > > > > > >on public
> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
> > >forced to
> > > > > > >take a
> > > > > > > > >position on it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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you are liars flavio/tom. sept. 8- republican allied steering committee
abolished and all republicans voted out. that is when the general body
called for the oct. 3 meeting. you wanna talk about credibility, then where
is your retraction to the home news since now you recognize the sept. 8
meeting?
unite the many, defeat the few!
NBPC 2002
tamara
>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>NBPC members
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
>
>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>
>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>
>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>
>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>
>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>
>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>
>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>
>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>the next
> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>but the
> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>news &
> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >
> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
> >
> >
> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
> > >
> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
> > >
> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>abolished.
> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
> > >unanimously.
> > > >
> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>serenia,
> > >carlos,
> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
> > >kevin,
> > > > jennifer, diana.
> > > >
> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
> > >meeting
> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>poll to
> > >counter
> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
> > >about why
> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
> > > >
> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
> > >republican
> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>mike
> > >reilly
> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>him.
> > >and you
> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
> > > >
> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
> > >questions
> > > > you might have...jackass.
> > > >
> > > > -joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > >
> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>the
> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>September.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>and
> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>be
> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>committee
> > >was
> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
> > >called
> > > > >the next
> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>dates,
> > > > >but the
> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>the
> > >home
> > > > >news &
> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>flavier? -joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
> > > > >recognize
> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
> > > > >happened
> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
> > >general
> > > > > > >membership
> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
> > >peoples
> > > > > > >campaign
> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>bright,
> > >curtis
> > > > > > >warren,
> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>egroups.
> > >you
> > > > >can
> > > > > > >check
> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >joe
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
> > >anything
> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
> > > > > > >Republicans????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>think is
> > >the
> > > > >only
> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>you
> > >can
> > > > >see,
> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>squabblers
> > >from
> > > > >every
> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>their
> > > > > > >bickering.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
> > >proposal.
> > > > >At
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>clearly
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>in
> > >two
> > > > >short
> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
> > >stating
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
> > >month
> > > > > > >window,
> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
> > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
> > >winning
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>also
> > > > >voted at
> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>would
> > >help
> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>Schundler
> > >into
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
> > >focused
> > > > >goals,
> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
> > >appropriate
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>it
> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>every
> > > > >couple
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>already
> > > > >resolved
> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
> > > > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>for
> > >this
> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>proposal, I
> > > > >would
> > > > > > >vote
> > > > > > > > >it down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
> > >election
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>Women's
> > > > >Caucus
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
> > > > > > >organizations and
> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>already
> > >been
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >contact
> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>and
> > > > > > >McGreevey's
> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>defense of
> > > > >women,
> > > > > > >public
> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
> > >rights
> > > > >for
> > > > > > >all. At
> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
> > >undocumented
> > > > > > >women
> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>contracted
> > >out
> > > > >by
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>in an
> > > > >attack
> > > > > > >on public
> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
> > >forced to
> > > > > > >take a
> > > > > > > > >position on it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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matt, regardless of flavio's statements, the republican allied steering
committee has been abolished & replaced. i told you to verify with keith
joseph, of U&S, who participated in the abolishment of this committee. why
haven't you done that?
the nbpc is moving forward with campaign 2002.
next meeting is 5 january 12:00noon NB public library
if you question the "personal (?) memorandum" why don't you bring it out
into the open? - joe
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>
>Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You have
>stated to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members are
>in fact still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, and
>learn their intentions from them, rather than through a spokesperson?
>-Matt
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>NBPC members
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
>
>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>
>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>
>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>
>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>
>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>
>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>
>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>
>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>the next
> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>but the
> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>news &
> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >
> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
> >
> >
> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
> > >
> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
> > >
> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>abolished.
> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
> > >unanimously.
> > > >
> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>serenia,
> > >carlos,
> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
> > >kevin,
> > > > jennifer, diana.
> > > >
> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
> > >meeting
> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>poll to
> > >counter
> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
> > >about why
> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
> > > >
> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
> > >republican
> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>mike
> > >reilly
> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>him.
> > >and you
> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
> > > >
> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
> > >questions
> > > > you might have...jackass.
> > > >
> > > > -joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > >
> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>the
> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>September.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>and
> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>be
> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>committee
> > >was
> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
> > >called
> > > > >the next
> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>dates,
> > > > >but the
> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>the
> > >home
> > > > >news &
> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>flavier? -joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
> > > > >recognize
> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
> > > > >happened
> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
> > >general
> > > > > > >membership
> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
> > >peoples
> > > > > > >campaign
> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>bright,
> > >curtis
> > > > > > >warren,
> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>egroups.
> > >you
> > > > >can
> > > > > > >check
> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >joe
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
> > >anything
> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
> > > > > > >Republicans????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>think is
> > >the
> > > > >only
> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>you
> > >can
> > > > >see,
> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>squabblers
> > >from
> > > > >every
> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>their
> > > > > > >bickering.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
> > >proposal.
> > > > >At
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>clearly
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>in
> > >two
> > > > >short
> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
> > >stating
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
> > >month
> > > > > > >window,
> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
> > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
> > >winning
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>also
> > > > >voted at
> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>would
> > >help
> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>Schundler
> > >into
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
> > >focused
> > > > >goals,
> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
> > >appropriate
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>it
> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>every
> > > > >couple
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>already
> > > > >resolved
> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
> > > > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>for
> > >this
> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>proposal, I
> > > > >would
> > > > > > >vote
> > > > > > > > >it down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
> > >election
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>Women's
> > > > >Caucus
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
> > > > > > >organizations and
> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>already
> > >been
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >contact
> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>and
> > > > > > >McGreevey's
> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>defense of
> > > > >women,
> > > > > > >public
> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
> > >rights
> > > > >for
> > > > > > >all. At
> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
> > >undocumented
> > > > > > >women
> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>contracted
> > >out
> > > > >by
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>in an
> > > > >attack
> > > > > > >on public
> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
> > >forced to
> > > > > > >take a
> > > > > > > > >position on it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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what's with this matt? for some reason people feel comfortable with this relationship to you, can u explain? is this your trend? -joe >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> >Matt, > >I have responded to you privately. > >Flavio > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
keith, when do you plan on addressing the world you live in?
their next move will probably put me in court with a liable case as well as
the end of nbpc. your already a real ass for not saying anything this long,
is this a game to you? -joe
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order;
>thanks to NBPC members
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:29:08
>
>Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You have
>stated to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members are
>in fact still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, and
>learn their intentions from them, rather than through a spokesperson?
>-Matt
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>NBPC members
>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
>
>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>
>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>
>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>
>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>
>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>
>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>
>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>
>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>the next
> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>but the
> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>news &
> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >
> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
> >
> >
> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
> > >
> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
> > >
> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>abolished.
> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
> > >unanimously.
> > > >
> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>serenia,
> > >carlos,
> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
> > >kevin,
> > > > jennifer, diana.
> > > >
> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
> > >meeting
> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>poll to
> > >counter
> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
> > >about why
> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
> > > >
> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
> > >republican
> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>mike
> > >reilly
> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>him.
> > >and you
> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
> > > >
> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
> > >questions
> > > > you might have...jackass.
> > > >
> > > > -joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > >
> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>the
> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>September.
> > > > >
> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>and
> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>be
> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>committee
> > >was
> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
> > >called
> > > > >the next
> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>dates,
> > > > >but the
> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>the
> > >home
> > > > >news &
> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>flavier? -joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
> > > > >recognize
> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
> > > > >happened
> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
> > >general
> > > > > > >membership
> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
> > >peoples
> > > > > > >campaign
> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>bright,
> > >curtis
> > > > > > >warren,
> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>egroups.
> > >you
> > > > >can
> > > > > > >check
> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >joe
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
> > >anything
> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
> > > > > > >Republicans????
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>wrote:
> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>think is
> > >the
> > > > >only
> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>you
> > >can
> > > > >see,
> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>squabblers
> > >from
> > > > >every
> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>their
> > > > > > >bickering.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
> > >proposal.
> > > > >At
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>clearly
> > > > >state
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>in
> > >two
> > > > >short
> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
> > >stating
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
> > >month
> > > > > > >window,
> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
> > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
> > >winning
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>also
> > > > >voted at
> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>would
> > >help
> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>Schundler
> > >into
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
> > >focused
> > > > >goals,
> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
> > >appropriate
> > > > >for
> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>it
> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>every
> > > > >couple
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>already
> > > > >resolved
> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
> > > > > > >Accountability
> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>for
> > >this
> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>proposal, I
> > > > >would
> > > > > > >vote
> > > > > > > > >it down.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
> > >election
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>Women's
> > > > >Caucus
> > > > > > >of the
> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
> > > > > > >organizations and
> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>already
> > >been
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >contact
> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>and
> > > > > > >McGreevey's
> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>defense of
> > > > >women,
> > > > > > >public
> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
> > >rights
> > > > >for
> > > > > > >all. At
> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
> > >undocumented
> > > > > > >women
> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>contracted
> > >out
> > > > >by
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>in an
> > > > >attack
> > > > > > >on public
> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
> > >forced to
> > > > > > >take a
> > > > > > > > >position on it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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Joe- you need to take a breath. I asked Flavio specific questions publically & he sends me private responses for reasons that are beyond me. If you want to know what he wrote, just ask. Btw- I spoke with Keith about this issue many times and heard his perspective. He happens to concur with your recollection of the meetings & SC "transition"... why don't you call him rather than insulting him and me in your frustration? Incidentally, your jab at your/my parents when Howard from POP extended an olive branch of support to us was totally out of line, & not the least bit on point- Ironic, though, since it was your own brother & closest organizational & ideological partner, Cliff, whose advise led you to take 30 days community service & a year's probation instead of accepting a plea for a minor misdemeanor while he walked... have you given much thought to this over the past few days? That's 30 days--or 6 work weeks--that you won't be able to organize. (Then for him to claim that "nobody is any better or worse off" for the risk of trial than taking the plea!...) hey- just trying to lend some perspective. --it ain't me, babe.... MS ----Original Message Follows---- From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, vivaohio@..., amirib@..., nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com Subject: Re: Final conclusions... Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:48:10 -0500 what's with this matt? for some reason people feel comfortable with this relationship to you, can u explain? is this your trend? -joe >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> >Matt, > >I have responded to you privately. > >Flavio > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Joe- you need to take a breath. I asked Flavio specific questions >publically & he sends me private responses for reasons that are beyond me. >If you want to know what he wrote, just ask. i question why he feels comfortable doing so. >Btw- I spoke with Keith about this issue many times and heard his >perspective. He happens to concur with your recollection of the meetings & >SC "transition" no shit he concurs - where is his public statements? i've had 2 articles in the newspapers defacing me & the legitimacy of nbpc that could have been avoided if keith would address these issues. >... why don't you call him rather than insulting him and me in your >frustration? keith insults himself with these actions. why do you suppose he would want flavio & company to be able to carry this on. he has still SAID NOTHING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. i am not frustrated with keith as i do not expect much from him, but truth be told he is an ass because of this. >Incidentally, your jab at your/my parents when Howard from POP extended an >olive branch of support to us was totally out of line, & not the least bit >on point- fuck your/my parents. face up, they support bush. any jab at the right is called for regardless of your sentimentalism. >Ironic, though, since it was your own brother & closest organizational & >ideological partner, Cliff, whose advise led you to take 30 days community >service & a year's probation instead of accepting a plea for a minor >misdemeanor while he walked... 100% better than for me to plead guilty - which you did for no reason at all. even the papers recognized that there was no evidence offered against you. >have you given much thought to this over the past few days? That's 30 >days--or 6 work weeks--that you won't be able to organize. (Then for him to >claim that "nobody is any better or worse off" for the risk of trial than >taking the plea!...) hey- just trying to lend some perspective. i have already gotten much support over the guilty verdict. how much support do you think the campaign would have gotten if i pled guilty? >--it ain't me, babe.... MS no shit.-joe > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, vivaohio@..., amirib@..., >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: Final conclusions... >Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:48:10 -0500 > >what's with this matt? for some reason people feel comfortable with this >relationship to you, can u explain? is this your trend? -joe > > >>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> > > >>Matt, >> >>I have responded to you privately. >> >>Flavio >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
the red collective is counter organizing the nbpc, U&S, sword, the anti-imperialist war effort... what's to wonder matt? it's a good point: >btw, re-expelling SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people >of the city!! but that is their motive. U&S must come out with an exposure of this opportunist, backwards organization. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> > >Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten yourself caught >up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the heart of the >matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization of the >people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism at the >expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' democracy >(revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the expulsion of >SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, re-expelling >SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > >& seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me personally when >I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still wondering what the >real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering Committee >are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than >abandoning the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask >you because you volunteered to be their spokesperson...... Matthew > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> >To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@...> >Subject: Response to email >Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > >Matt, > >I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders by virtue >of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to the entity >to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of its name >and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted to me by >the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > >I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends to next >issue a statement to its members. > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" < >vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You have >stated > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members are in >fact > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, and learn > > their intentions from them, rather than through a spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > >Above email is for intended recipient only and may be confidential and >protected by attorney/client privilege. >If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender >immediately. >Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
however you want it.
nbpc supports
ras baraka
saturdays 9:30
>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...>
>Joe,
>The world I live in is not on the internet. You got your panties all up in
>a bunch over a tempest in a teapot.
>I have a million better things to do then argue with you and Flavio. Lately
>I have been to busy to even look at my e-mail. I plan to put in my two
>cents then I plan to unsubscribe to the list; >it has little to do with
>revolutionary practice.
>
>Keith
>ps. I do not understand how you can possibly think that calling people
>names is a way to build alliances.
>
>>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>>To: keithjoseph99@..., vivaohio@...
>>CC: amirib@..., cliffsmith69@...,
>>nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com
>>Subject: Fwd: Re: Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>>NBPC members
>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:01:48 -0500
>>
>>keith, when do you plan on addressing the world you live in?
>>their next move will probably put me in court with a liable case as well
>>as the end of nbpc. your already a real ass for not saying anything this
>>long, is this a game to you? -joe
>>
>>
>>>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>>>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order;
>>>thanks to NBPC members
>>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:29:08
>>>
>>>Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You have
>>>stated to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members
>>>are in fact still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them,
>>>and learn their intentions from them, rather than through a spokesperson?
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----Original Message Follows----
>>>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>>>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks
>>>to
>>>NBPC members
>>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
>>>
>>>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>>>
>>>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>>>
>>>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>>>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>>>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>>>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>>>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>>>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>>>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>>>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>>>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>>>
>>>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>>>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>>>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>>>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>>>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>>>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>>>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>>>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>>>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>>>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>>>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>>>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>>>
>>>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>>>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>>>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>>>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>>>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>>>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>>>
>>>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>>>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>>>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>>>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>>>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>>>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>>>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>>>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>>>
>>>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>>>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>>>
>>>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>>>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>>>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>>>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>>>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>>>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>>> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
>>> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>>>the next
>>> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>>>but the
>>> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>>>news &
>>> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
>>> >
>>> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
>>> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
>>> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
>>> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
>>> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
>>> > >
>>> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
>>> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
>>> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
>>> > >
>>> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
>>> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
>>> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>>> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>>>abolished.
>>> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
>>> > >unanimously.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>>>serenia,
>>> > >carlos,
>>> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
>>> > >kevin,
>>> > > > jennifer, diana.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
>>> > >meeting
>>> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>>>poll to
>>> > >counter
>>> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
>>> > >about why
>>> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
>>> > >republican
>>> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>>>mike
>>> > >reilly
>>> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>>>him.
>>> > >and you
>>> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
>>> > >questions
>>> > > > you might have...jackass.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -joe
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>>>the
>>> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>>>September.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>>>and
>>> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>>>be
>>> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>>> > >wrote:
>>> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>>>committee
>>> > >was
>>> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
>>> > >called
>>> > > > >the next
>>> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>>>dates,
>>> > > > >but the
>>> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>>>the
>>> > >home
>>> > > > >news &
>>> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>>>flavier? -joe
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
>>> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>>> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>>> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
>>> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
>>> > > > >recognize
>>> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
>>> > > > >happened
>>> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
>>> > >general
>>> > > > > > >membership
>>> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
>>> > >peoples
>>> > > > > > >campaign
>>> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>>>bright,
>>> > >curtis
>>> > > > > > >warren,
>>> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>>>egroups.
>>> > >you
>>> > > > >can
>>> > > > > > >check
>>> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
>>> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >joe
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
>>> > >anything
>>> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
>>> > > > > > >Republicans????
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
>>><can_bush@h...>
>>> > > > >wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>>>wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>>>think is
>>> > >the
>>> > > > >only
>>> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>>>you
>>> > >can
>>> > > > >see,
>>> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>>>squabblers
>>> > >from
>>> > > > >every
>>> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>>>their
>>> > > > > > >bickering.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
>>> > >proposal.
>>> > > > >At
>>> > > > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>>>clearly
>>> > > > >state
>>> > > > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>>>in
>>> > >two
>>> > > > >short
>>> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
>>> > >stating
>>> > > > >that
>>> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
>>> > >month
>>> > > > > > >window,
>>> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
>>> > > > >Accountability
>>> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
>>> > >winning
>>> > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>>>also
>>> > > > >voted at
>>> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>>>would
>>> > >help
>>> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>>>Schundler
>>> > >into
>>> > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
>>> > >focused
>>> > > > >goals,
>>> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
>>> > >appropriate
>>> > > > >for
>>> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>>>it
>>> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>>>every
>>> > > > >couple
>>> > > > > > >of
>>> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>>>already
>>> > > > >resolved
>>> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
>>> > > > > > >Accountability
>>> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>>>for
>>> > >this
>>> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>>>proposal, I
>>> > > > >would
>>> > > > > > >vote
>>> > > > > > > > >it down.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
>>> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
>>> > > > > > > > >wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
>>> > >election
>>> > > > >and
>>> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>>>Women's
>>> > > > >Caucus
>>> > > > > > >of the
>>> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
>>> > > > > > >organizations and
>>> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>>>already
>>> > >been
>>> > > > >in
>>> > > > > > >contact
>>> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>>>and
>>> > > > > > >McGreevey's
>>> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>>>defense of
>>> > > > >women,
>>> > > > > > >public
>>> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
>>> > >rights
>>> > > > >for
>>> > > > > > >all. At
>>> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
>>> > >undocumented
>>> > > > > > >women
>>> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>>>contracted
>>> > >out
>>> > > > >by
>>> > > > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>>>in an
>>> > > > >attack
>>> > > > > > >on public
>>> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
>>> > >forced to
>>> > > > > > >take a
>>> > > > > > > > >position on it.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
>>> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >
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Joe- I'm not going to get into a major debate with you over this court issue- you made your own decisions & I told you at the time that I would respect what you decide--even though my advise was to take the final plea. But you're deluding yourself about the outcome, and what taking a plea would have implied about your integrity as an organizer, or how it would have affected peoples' perception of you. It's a mistake that's crippled you for 30 days & 1 year, at the advise of Cliff. But you're right about one thing- when I read the SL article, & realized that the cop was a no-show, I was kicking myself for not pleading innocent. (I guess it was beyond Santos to raise it) >Ironic, though, since it was your own brother & closest organizational & >ideological partner, Cliff, whose advise led you to take 30 days community >service & a year's probation instead of accepting a plea for a minor >misdemeanor while he walked... 100% better than for me to plead guilty - which you did for no reason at all. even the papers recognized that there was no evidence offered against you. >have you given much thought to this over the past few days? That's 30 >days--or 6 work weeks--that you won't be able to organize. (Then for him to >claim that "nobody is any better or worse off" for the risk of trial than >taking the plea!...) hey- just trying to lend some perspective. i have already gotten much support over the guilty verdict. how much support do you think the campaign would have gotten if i pled guilty? >--it ain't me, babe.... MS no shit.-joe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
just write a press statement & contact
mikesr@... - mike reilly targum 1731.932.7051
& swaters@... - sharon waters 1732.246.5500 ext3
it is not flavio i want you to address!
it is the people!
we can produce minutes
i don't want to argue with flavio either.
we have too much work to do.
register newark to vote!
nbpc supports
ras baraka
saturdays 9:30
808 s. 10 street
>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...>
>To: can_bush@...
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>NBPC members
>Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:25:21 +0000
>
>Joe,
>The world I live in is not on the internet. You got your panties all up in
>a bunch over a tempest in a teapot. I have a million better things to do
>then argue with you and Flavio. Lately I have been to busy to even look at
>my e-mail. I plan to put in my two cents then I plan to unsubscribe to the
>list; it has little to do with revolutionary practice.
>Keith
>ps. I do not understand how you can possibly think that calling people
>names is a way to build alliances.
>
>
>>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>>To: keithjoseph99@..., vivaohio@...
>>CC: amirib@..., cliffsmith69@...,
>>nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, njfo@egroups.com
>>Subject: Fwd: Re: Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
>>NBPC members
>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:01:48 -0500
>>
>>keith, when do you plan on addressing the world you live in?
>>their next move will probably put me in court with a liable case as well
>>as the end of nbpc. your already a real ass for not saying anything this
>>long, is this a game to you? -joe
>>
>>
>>>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>>>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order;
>>>thanks to NBPC members
>>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:29:08
>>>
>>>Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You have
>>>stated to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members
>>>are in fact still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them,
>>>and learn their intentions from them, rather than through a spokesperson?
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----Original Message Follows----
>>>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...>
>>>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>>>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks
>>>to
>>>NBPC members
>>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
>>>
>>>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
>>>
>>>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
>>>
>>>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
>>>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
>>>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
>>>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
>>>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
>>>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
>>>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
>>>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
>>>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
>>>
>>>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
>>>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
>>>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
>>>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
>>>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
>>>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
>>>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
>>>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
>>>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
>>>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
>>>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
>>>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
>>>
>>>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
>>>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
>>>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
>>>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
>>>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
>>>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
>>>
>>>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
>>>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
>>>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
>>>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
>>>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
>>>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
>>>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
>>>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
>>>
>>>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
>>>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
>>>
>>>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
>>>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
>>>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
>>>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
>>>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
>>>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>>> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
>>> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
>>>the next
>>> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
>>>but the
>>> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
>>>news &
>>> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
>>> >
>>> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
>>> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
>>> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
>>> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
>>> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
>>> > >
>>> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
>>> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
>>> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
>>> > >
>>> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
>>> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
>>> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>>> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
>>>abolished.
>>> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
>>> > >unanimously.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
>>>serenia,
>>> > >carlos,
>>> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
>>> > >kevin,
>>> > > > jennifer, diana.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
>>> > >meeting
>>> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
>>>poll to
>>> > >counter
>>> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
>>> > >about why
>>> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
>>> > >republican
>>> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
>>>mike
>>> > >reilly
>>> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
>>>him.
>>> > >and you
>>> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
>>> > >questions
>>> > > > you might have...jackass.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > -joe
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
>>>the
>>> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
>>>September.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
>>>and
>>> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
>>>be
>>> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>>> > >wrote:
>>> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
>>>committee
>>> > >was
>>> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
>>> > >called
>>> > > > >the next
>>> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
>>>dates,
>>> > > > >but the
>>> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
>>>the
>>> > >home
>>> > > > >news &
>>> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
>>>flavier? -joe
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
>>> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>>> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>>> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
>>> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
>>> > > > >recognize
>>> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
>>> > > > >happened
>>> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
>>> > >general
>>> > > > > > >membership
>>> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
>>> > >peoples
>>> > > > > > >campaign
>>> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
>>>bright,
>>> > >curtis
>>> > > > > > >warren,
>>> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
>>>egroups.
>>> > >you
>>> > > > >can
>>> > > > > > >check
>>> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
>>> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >joe
>>> > > > > > > >>>
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
>>> > >anything
>>> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
>>> > > > > > >Republicans????
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
>>><can_bush@h...>
>>> > > > >wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
>>>wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
>>>think is
>>> > >the
>>> > > > >only
>>> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
>>>you
>>> > >can
>>> > > > >see,
>>> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
>>>squabblers
>>> > >from
>>> > > > >every
>>> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
>>>their
>>> > > > > > >bickering.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
>>> > >proposal.
>>> > > > >At
>>> > > > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
>>>clearly
>>> > > > >state
>>> > > > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
>>>in
>>> > >two
>>> > > > >short
>>> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
>>> > >stating
>>> > > > >that
>>> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
>>> > >month
>>> > > > > > >window,
>>> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
>>> > > > >Accountability
>>> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
>>> > >winning
>>> > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
>>>also
>>> > > > >voted at
>>> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
>>>would
>>> > >help
>>> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
>>>Schundler
>>> > >into
>>> > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
>>> > >focused
>>> > > > >goals,
>>> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
>>> > >appropriate
>>> > > > >for
>>> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
>>>it
>>> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
>>>every
>>> > > > >couple
>>> > > > > > >of
>>> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
>>>already
>>> > > > >resolved
>>> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
>>> > > > > > >Accountability
>>> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
>>>for
>>> > >this
>>> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
>>>proposal, I
>>> > > > >would
>>> > > > > > >vote
>>> > > > > > > > >it down.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
>>> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
>>> > > > > > > > >wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
>>> > >election
>>> > > > >and
>>> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
>>>Women's
>>> > > > >Caucus
>>> > > > > > >of the
>>> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
>>> > > > > > >organizations and
>>> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
>>>already
>>> > >been
>>> > > > >in
>>> > > > > > >contact
>>> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
>>>and
>>> > > > > > >McGreevey's
>>> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
>>>defense of
>>> > > > >women,
>>> > > > > > >public
>>> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
>>> > >rights
>>> > > > >for
>>> > > > > > >all. At
>>> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
>>> > >undocumented
>>> > > > > > >women
>>> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
>>>contracted
>>> > >out
>>> > > > >by
>>> > > > > > >the
>>> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
>>>in an
>>> > > > >attack
>>> > > > > > >on public
>>> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
>>> > >forced to
>>> > > > > > >take a
>>> > > > > > > > >position on it.
>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
>>> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
>>> > > > > > > > > >
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>>> > > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > >
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>>> > > > > > > >
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dont guess- yr the only one to endorse santos, & the only one to plead guilty, & the only one to receive a penalty w/o evidence or witness. now, who made a mistake? & you have no guarantee what the "final plea" wouldve resulted in. we maintained our innocence and nb knows it. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: [coalitionforjustice] Re: Final conclusions... >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:02:15 > >Joe- I'm not going to get into a major debate with you over this court >issue- you made your own decisions & I told you at the time that I would >respect what you decide--even though my advise was to take the final plea. >But you're deluding yourself about the outcome, and what taking a plea >would >have implied about your integrity as an organizer, or how it would have >affected peoples' perception of you. It's a mistake that's crippled you >for >30 days & 1 year, at the advise of Cliff. > >But you're right about one thing- when I read the SL article, & realized >that the cop was a no-show, I was kicking myself for not pleading innocent. >(I guess it was beyond Santos to raise it) > > > > >Ironic, though, since it was your own brother & closest organizational & > >ideological partner, Cliff, whose advise led you to take 30 days >community > >service & a year's probation instead of accepting a plea for a minor > >misdemeanor while he walked... > >100% better than for me to plead guilty - which you did for no reason at >all. even the papers recognized that there was no evidence offered against >you. > > >have you given much thought to this over the past few days? That's 30 > >days--or 6 work weeks--that you won't be able to organize. (Then for him >to > >claim that "nobody is any better or worse off" for the risk of trial than > >taking the plea!...) hey- just trying to lend some perspective. > >i have already gotten much support over the guilty verdict. >how much support do you think the campaign would have gotten if i pled >guilty? > > >--it ain't me, babe.... MS > >no shit.-joe > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Sunday's Home News Tribune editorials
Published in the Home News Tribune 12/09/01
An American dream killed by American hate
A Home News Tribune editorialWhen Waqar Hasan's life ended in a pool of
blood on the floor of his small grocery in a struggling Dallas neighborhood
Sept. 15, the motive seemed clear.
Hasan, a Pakistani immigrant who had left his wife and daughters in
Milltown in search of a better life in Texas, was the victim of hate -- hate
that boiled up around Arab-Americans in the days immediately following Sept.
11. Hasan's murder became one of three high-profile killings described as
ethnically motivated. His case was one of 40 the Justice Department began
investigating as a hate crime.
It was to the threat of those crimes administrators referred when they
issued statements calling for calm. "Any act of violence or discrimination
against a person based on the perceived race, religion or national origin is
contrary to our fundamental principles and the laws of the United States,"
Assistant Attorney General Ralph F. Boyd Jr. said in a statement Sept. 13,
adding that violators would be prosecuted. Two weeks later he repeated the
assertions, adding, "We can not scapegoat certain members of our society
because of the actions of a few.".
Three months in, nothing is as clear. There has been no arrest in the
case, and there seem to be conflicting opinions among investigators about
whether a white supremacist sympathizer arrested for two other similar
crimes is also guilty of this one. With little to go on, investigators are
at a stand-still. And Hasan's grisly death, like the suspected hate crimes
generally, has quickly faded from view. For all its rhetoric, the Justice
Department has yet to issue any news release detailing the arrest of a
person accused of a hate crime against an Arab-American. Hasan's murder is
now largely in the hands of local detectives.
All of this may be understandable, given the crushing
workload that now occupies federal investigators. And maybe it seems less
important since the crimes themselves seem to have dissipated. A Pew poll of
1,500 adults in mid-November found that Americans' opinions of Muslims
actually improved after the attacks.
But that is not the way it looks to the Council on American
Islamic Relations. They have taken 1,452 complaints of discrimination since
Sept. 11. Usually they record between 400 and 600 annually. Not all of those
are accounts of physical abuse -- the reports cover everything from verbal
threats to employment discrimination -- but Hodan Hassan, a civil rights
coordinator with the council, says though the severity of the discrimination
has lessened, the number of complaints has not. The council is also
beginning to hear from relatives of Muslims jailed or questioned by the
government in the wake of the attacks. Those reports are part of a growing
alarm. The same government that sought to protect them in those first
anxious days -- the government that said their could be no scapegoating --
now announces new anti-terror initiatives aimed directly at the Muslim
community.
In addition to the political implications of the murder and
its investigation, there is -- as we have seen again and again in
accounts of those killed Sept. 11 -- the unbearable and ironic personal
tragedy of Hasan's death. Like millions of immigrants before him he had come
to the United States in search of security and stability. He was a
practicing Muslim, but he does not seem to have been political. He came from
a family of merchants; and he wanted to own his own business. His desire,
and his relatively meager savings, led him, as it has so many other
Middle-Eastern and Souther Asian immigrants, to least desireable
businesses in the least desireable neighborhoods.
And that is a dangerous path. The Dallas Morning News has
reported that during two years in the mid-'90s, more than 20
convenience store owners or workers in the city were murdered on the job.
One of the first things Hasan and his partner did after buying their
business was install a plastic-glass shield around the cash register. But
Hasan, a gregarious sort, seldom stayed behind it. And on Sept. 15 -- as all
of America focused on newfound foreign threat -- Waqar Hasan's dreams ended
-- one way or another -- in an all-too-familiar American scenario.
from the Home News Tribune
Published: December 9, 2001
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Lawrence leadership may be near end
Published in the Home News Tribune 12/09/01
By SARAH GREENBLATT
STAFF WRITER
RUTGERS UNIVERSITY: With a new governor poised to take power
in Trenton, many observers at Rutgers University are wondering if changes at
the Statehouse will extend to Old Queens.
Since Jim McGreevey won last month's election, and the
aftermath of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks widened holes in the state
budget, speculation has grown about the future of Francis L. Lawrence as
president of Rutgers.
Now in his 11th year at Rutgers, Lawrence, 63, is one of the
longest-serving university presidents in the country, surviving criticism
from many quarters while garnering a reputation for increasing fund-raising
and research activities during his tenure.
After enduring a hail of protests in 1995 for a comment in
which he linked low SAT scores of disadvantaged students to their "genetic,
hereditary background," Lawrence has been criticized by many faculty members
who claim he lacks the vision and talent to lead Rutgers.
Lawrence has maintained the support of the board of governors
-- which controls hiring decisions at Old Queens -- by displaying canny
skills as a manager and fund-raiser.
But there are signs that he may face new adversity from
Trenton in the coming months.
McGreevey has directed a higher-education task force within
his transition team to take a close look at Rutgers.
"The transition effort will thoroughly undertake an
assessment of the state's higher educational system in general and Rutgers
University in particular," McGreevey said in an interview last week.
While refusing to comment on Lawrence's performance,
McGreevey said he is concerned about "the importance of strong leadership,
able leadership for Rutgers University" as "New Jersey moves to the new
information economy."
McGreevey said he will rely on recommendations of the task
force, comprising former Gov. Tom Kean, who is now president of Drew
University; Susan Cole, president of Montclair State University; Assembly
Minority Leader Joe Doria, D-Hudson, and the Rev. William Howard, pastor of
Bethany Baptist Church in Newark.
Rutgers has been a focus of McGreevey's attention since at
least January, when, as a candidate, he discussed the university's
relationship with the Statehouse at an off-campus meeting with some 70
faculty members. The gathering was organized by Richard Foley, former dean
of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences in New Brunswick and a popular campus
leader, and Benjamin Barber, a political-science professor who recently left
Rutgers.
Two board members voiced strong support for Lawrence last
week, but one of them said the state's political and economic prospects are
such that it may make sense for the president to leave.
Lawrence has vastly increased Rutgers' fund-raising prowess
and research activities and drawn a massive increase in undergraduate
applications -- all measures of a successful presidency, board Chairman Gene
O'Hara said.
In its most recent annual evaluation of Lawrence in July,
O'Hara said, the board concluded he has performed very well.
"His energy is almost unmeasurable," O'Hara said.
The board rewarded Lawrence with a 5.5-percent pay increase,
bringing his state-supported annual salary to $287,000. Lawrence's salary
this year includes an additional $75,000 in private contributions.
While commending Lawrence for his management and fund-raising
skills, board member David Harris said the swirl of political change and
economic uncertainty has created "a propitious moment" for the president to
leave Rutgers.
"I would be the first to stand in line to praise what he has
done," Harris said. "If I were in his shoes, this would be a logical time to
do it -- without any shame, without any blame."
Instead of facing a fiscal crisis like the $19.6 million
shortfall in state-financed salary adjustments that greeted him in 1990,
Harris said, Lawrence could be enjoying "his victory lap."
Lawrence was not available Thursday or Friday to comment on
his plans, said Pam Blake, Rutgers director of media relations and
communications.
In another hint of potential change at Rutgers, state Sen.
Joseph Vitale, D-Middlesex, said he plans to introduce a bill to expand the
board of governors membership. The measure would enable McGreevey to place
more of his own appointees on the board.
Vitale said such a step is warranted because Lawrence has
declined to expand the enrollment of the nursing program, despite a growing
shortage of nurses in the state.
O'Hara said, however, that Rutgers' nursing program is
focused more on educating researchers and nursing instructors than on
churning out practitioners.
Harris said elected officials should not tinker with the
board or turn the university presidency into a political football.
"Once we live by the partisan political sword, that's the day
our standing as a great state university will be severely diminished,"
Harris said.
Barry Qualls, an associate dean of the Faculty of Arts and
Sciences-New Brunswick, echoed that concern.
"We're not a state agency. It would be a big mistake for any
governor or any legislator to say, 'I want this president,'" Qualls said.
"That's what academic freedom is all about."
Sarah Greenblatt: (732) 565-7205. E-mail sgreenbl@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: December 9, 2001
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"You got your panties all up in
a bunch over a tempest in a teapot." -kj
1st noting the male chauvanist slur (representative of u&s' "definite
trend"), why does keith diminish the right-wing assault into central
jersey, which he actively enabled?
flavio's 'RED(!)' friends announce to run a republican-allied slate for
nb '02 elections, just as they did in '00. the (keith-endorsed)
republican nb party chair is now on the nb housing authority, and
republican sec. of state soaries announces bid for u.s. congress from
neighboring franklin park.
this in the pharmaceutical center of the world. the same towns which
postmarked sending anthrax to ranking u.s. democrats ('ask who
benefits'!)
which party does j&j prefer? why does keith dodge the fight? (& in the
name of "revolutionary practice"!) & speaking of which, where is u&s,
the paper? where is the keith's "revolutionary practice" behind ras'
council campaign?
guess he "has a million better things to do..."
cliff
--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> however you want it.
> nbpc supports
> ras baraka
> saturdays 9:30
>
>
> >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...>
>
> >Joe,
> >The world I live in is not on the internet. You got your panties all up in
> >a bunch over a tempest in a teapot.
> >I have a million better things to do then argue with you and Flavio. Lately
> >I have been to busy to even look at my e-mail. I plan to put in my two
> >cents then I plan to unsubscribe to the list; >it has little to do with
> >revolutionary practice.
> >
> >Keith
> >ps. I do not understand how you can possibly think that calling people
> >names is a way to build alliances.
>
>
>
> >
> >>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> >>To: keithjoseph99@h..., vivaohio@h...
> >>CC: amirib@a..., cliffsmith69@h...,
> >>nbpeoplescampaign@e..., njfo@e...
> >>Subject: Fwd: Re: Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks to
> >>NBPC members
> >>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:01:48 -0500
> >>
> >>keith, when do you plan on addressing the world you live in?
> >>their next move will probably put me in court with a liable case as well
> >>as the end of nbpc. your already a real ass for not saying anything this
> >>long, is this a game to you? -joe
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> >>>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >>>To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >>>Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order;
> >>>thanks to NBPC members
> >>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:29:08
> >>>
> >>>Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You have
> >>>stated to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members
> >>>are in fact still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them,
> >>>and learn their intentions from them, rather than through a spokesperson?
> >>> -Matt
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----Original Message Follows----
> >>>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> >>>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >>>To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >>>Subject: [nbpcmembers] Final conclusions; cease and desist order; thanks
> >>>to
> >>>NBPC members
> >>>Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 04:29:45 -0000
> >>>
> >>>To Mr. Joe Smith and his agents and those acting in concert with him:
> >>>
> >>>Your request for a January 5 meeting is rejected.
> >>>
> >>>I will not debate you further in this regard. I find no credible
> >>>evidence to support your conclusions that at any lawfully called
> >>>meeting, the existing Steering Committee was voted out and replaced.
> >>>I find no credible evidence that there has been any expulsion of
> >>>Republican Party members. I find no credible evidence that New
> >>>Brunswick People's Campaign ("NBPC") committed to pursuing the school
> >>>board question in 2002 at this time. I find no credible evidence
> >>>that the membership, at the September 8, 2002 meeting, called a
> >>>meeting for October 3, 2002 or at any time thereafter.
> >>>
> >>>I make these findings based on the statements from you and from other
> >>>members, in particular, the following: (a) Your statements about
> >>>dates and occurrences at meetings are grossly inconsistent; (b)
> >>>Despite access to, and frequent postings to, these newsgroups, you
> >>>did not inform me until November 12 or the newsgroups until December
> >>>1 of the occurrence of these alleged votes; (c) You have not
> >>>disclosed the members of the Committee allegedly elected. All of
> >>>this, among other things, leads me to conclude that your claims that
> >>>at the lawful meeting of September 8, that any of the alleged votes
> >>>listed above occurred, are untrue. Likewise, I conclude that any
> >>>other gathering thereafter was not a lawfully called meeting and any
> >>>actions that occurred at such subsequent events are a nullity.
> >>>
> >>>You are ordered to cease and desist from using the name "New
> >>>Brunswick People's Campaign" or any derivatives thereof (including
> >>>nbpeoplescampaign or NBPC) for any purposes, with the exception of
> >>>(a) making postings to the official newsgroup of the Campaign (i.e.
> >>>this one) or to its unofficial newsgroup (i.e. nbpeoplescampaign), or
> >>>(b) for the purpose of identifying yourself as a member thereof.
> >>>
> >>>You are specifically ordered not to publicly state any Campaign
> >>>position on a candidate or an issue except to refer to the 2000
> >>>Platform. You are specifically ordered not to identify yourself as a
> >>>member of the Campaign's Steering Commitee, or as a spokesperson
> >>>therefor. The Campaign reserves its right to seek any judicial
> >>>remedies available to it under the law if you do not comply with this
> >>>order, and reserves its rights to seek judicial remedies against you
> >>>for past violations committed by you against the Campaign.
> >>>
> >>>If you object to any of this, I suggest you obtain attempt to obtain
> >>>judicial relief from a court of competent jurisdiction.
> >>>
> >>>I want to thank the other members of the Campaign for bearing with us
> >>>during this difficult period. The efforts of Mr. Smith of the past
> >>>few days - attempting a coup for all intents and purposes - have
> >>>effectively been put down. With this internal feud over, the leaders
> >>>of the Campaign will continue now continue the work necessary for New
> >>>Brunswick's progressives to succeed in the 2002 election.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> >>> > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering committee was
> >>> > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body called
> >>>the next
> >>> > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused dates,
> >>>but the
> >>> > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to the home
> >>>news &
> >>> > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >>> >
> >>> > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this flavier? -joe
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...>
> >>> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >>> > >To: nbpcmembers@y...
> >>> > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: flavio/tom recognize meeting,
> >>> > >terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>> > >Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 22:28:28 -0000
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Hold on... you said before that "Tamara's" proposal passed
> >>> > >unanimously, now it's "Cliff and Keith's proposal"? Shame, shame,
> >>> > >Joe Smith! You are getting your lies confused again!
> >>> > >
> >>> > >Also, in response to an earlier email, and just so there is no
> >>> > >confusion, neither I nor the Steering Committee recognize your
> >>> > >unilateral attempt to call a meeting for January 5, 2002.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> >>> > > > as of sept.8 the republican allied steering committee was
> >>>abolished.
> >>> > > > the vote was based on cliff & keith's proposals which passed
> >>> > >unanimously.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > the meeting was attended by cliff, tamara, oscar, elionay,
> >>>serenia,
> >>> > >carlos,
> >>> > > > kenny, jonathan, abundio, fransisco, zofia, luceno, waron, joe,
> >>> > >kevin,
> >>> > > > jennifer, diana.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > i don't see how you are going to be stuck on the fact that the
> >>> > >meeting
> >>> > > > didn't happen, when you knew it was happening. you set up a
> >>>poll to
> >>> > >counter
> >>> > > > cliff's proposal for the meeting sept8. you responded to tamara
> >>> > >about why
> >>> > > > you would vote against her proposal for the meeting sept8.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > i told the targum that we were re-instated in august & that the
> >>> > >republican
> >>> > > > SC was abolished in october. i was at the library today before
> >>>mike
> >>> > >reilly
> >>> > > > called me to check the information and i offered to fax it to
> >>>him.
> >>> > >and you
> >>> > > > can have it too if you want to give me a fax#.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > it is not my duty to report to you flavio, but i will answer any
> >>> > >questions
> >>> > > > you might have...jackass.
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > -joe
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > > >You stated the abolition of SC occurred in October. You told
> >>>the
> >>> > > > >Targum it was in August. Now you sayt it took place in
> >>>September.
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >Can you explain why you waited until November 12 to tell me,
> >>>and
> >>> > > > >November 30 to tell the press, of this alleged vote? Could it
> >>>be
> >>> > > > >because IT OCCURRED ONLY IN YOUR MIND?
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >
> >>> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> >>> > >wrote:
> >>> > > > > > at the meeting sept. 8 the republican allied steering
> >>>committee
> >>> > >was
> >>> > > > > > abolished & replaced by the general body. this general body
> >>> > >called
> >>> > > > >the next
> >>> > > > > > meeting of october 3, which is legal. i may have confused
> >>>dates,
> >>> > > > >but the
> >>> > > > > > facts are the facts. so now you can write a retraction to
> >>>the
> >>> > >home
> >>> > > > >news &
> >>> > > > > > targum to explain your presumptious mistakes/lies.
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > the next meeting is january 5, do you dispute this
> >>>flavier? -joe
> >>> > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@a...>
> >>> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >>> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >>> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Re: flavio recognizes meeting
> >>> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 22:35:59 -0000
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >Joe Smith has now taken to writing fiction!
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >I have always recognized the September 8 meeting. I don't
> >>> > > > >recognize
> >>> > > > > > >the October 3 event, where, according to Joe, the following
> >>> > > > >happened
> >>> > > > > > >(this is per an email he sent me on November 15).
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > >on meeting 10/3/01 by unanimous vote the peoples campaign
> >>> > >general
> >>> > > > > > >membership
> >>> > > > > > >made the official decision that the republican agenda & the
> >>> > >peoples
> >>> > > > > > >campaign
> >>> > > > > > >agenda are incompatible. all known republicans frank
> >>>bright,
> >>> > >curtis
> >>> > > > > > >warren,
> >>> > > > > > >tracy ford are to be expelled from nbpc membership &
> >>>egroups.
> >>> > >you
> >>> > > > >can
> >>> > > > > > >check
> >>> > > > > > >with tamara dahan tamaradahan@h... or cliff smith
> >>> > > > > > >cliffsmith69@h...
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >joe
> >>> > > > > > > >>>
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >Here's my question: where in Tamara's proposal is there
> >>> > >anything
> >>> > > > > > >about putting Joe on the Steering Commitee or expelling the
> >>> > > > > > >Republicans????
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
> >>><can_bush@h...>
> >>> > > > >wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > > (tamara's proposal passed unanimously)
> >>> > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y...
> >>>wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > > >Tamara,
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >I want to first thank you for posting here what I
> >>>think is
> >>> > >the
> >>> > > > >only
> >>> > > > > > > > >recent message that it actually relevant to NBPC. As
> >>>you
> >>> > >can
> >>> > > > >see,
> >>> > > > > > > > >this board has unfortunately been hijacked by
> >>>squabblers
> >>> > >from
> >>> > > > >every
> >>> > > > > > > > >progressive group under the sun who are using it for
> >>>their
> >>> > > > > > >bickering.
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >That said, I want to explain why I will oppose your
> >>> > >proposal.
> >>> > > > >At
> >>> > > > > > >the
> >>> > > > > > > > >June 2001 meeting, the NBPC membership was able to
> >>>clearly
> >>> > > > >state
> >>> > > > > > >the
> >>> > > > > > > > >issue and the resolution of the Campaign's direction,
> >>>in
> >>> > >two
> >>> > > > >short
> >>> > > > > > > > >and clear points, when it wisely approved a resolution
> >>> > >stating
> >>> > > > >that
> >>> > > > > > > > >the two concrete goals it wanted to accomplish in a 18-
> >>> > >month
> >>> > > > > > >window,
> >>> > > > > > > > >were: (1) passing the New Brunswick Democracy and
> >>> > > > >Accountability
> >>> > > > > > > > >Ordinance by initiative and referendum in 2001 and (2)
> >>> > >winning
> >>> > > > >the
> >>> > > > > > > > >mayor and two council seats in 2002. The Membership
> >>>also
> >>> > > > >voted at
> >>> > > > > > > > >that time to oppose Schundler on the grounds that it
> >>>would
> >>> > >help
> >>> > > > > > > > >further these goals.
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >Your proposal, in contrast, makes the defeat of
> >>>Schundler
> >>> > >into
> >>> > > > >the
> >>> > > > > > > > >NBPC goal. I believe the Membership's New Brunswick-
> >>> > >focused
> >>> > > > >goals,
> >>> > > > > > > > >spread out over an 18-month time horizon are more
> >>> > >appropriate
> >>> > > > >for
> >>> > > > > > > > >this local, progressive organization. Moreover, I find
> >>>it
> >>> > > > > > > > >unproductive to re-debate the purpose of the campaign
> >>>every
> >>> > > > >couple
> >>> > > > > > >of
> >>> > > > > > > > >months when a new idea comes up. The Campaign has
> >>>already
> >>> > > > >resolved
> >>> > > > > > > > >to work against Schundler, work for the Democracy and
> >>> > > > > > >Accountability
> >>> > > > > > > > >Ordinance, and work for victory in 2002. Therefore,
> >>>for
> >>> > >this
> >>> > > > > > > > >additional reason - the superfluousness of the
> >>>proposal, I
> >>> > > > >would
> >>> > > > > > >vote
> >>> > > > > > > > >it down.
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan"
> >>> > > > ><tamaradahan@h...>
> >>> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> >>> > > > > > > > > > Proposal for Peoples' Campaign Meeting Sept 8
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > The major focus of the NBPC should be the upcoming
> >>> > >election
> >>> > > > >and
> >>> > > > > > > > >Smashing Schundler. Sisterhood & Struggle and the
> >>>Women's
> >>> > > > >Caucus
> >>> > > > > > >of the
> >>> > > > > > > > >NBPC should organize and unite with all other women's
> >>> > > > > > >organizations and
> >>> > > > > > > > >head the efforts to defeat Scunndler. S & S has
> >>>already
> >>> > >been
> >>> > > > >in
> >>> > > > > > >contact
> >>> > > > > > > > >with Planned Parenthood, NJ NOW, the AAUP, the IBEW
> >>>and
> >>> > > > > > >McGreevey's
> >>> > > > > > > > >campaign to >schedule a NB event in October in
> >>>defense of
> >>> > > > >women,
> >>> > > > > > >public
> >>> > > > > > > > >education, and unions and to demand voting and working
> >>> > >rights
> >>> > > > >for
> >>> > > > > > >all. At
> >>> > > > > > > > >least one child care center in NB has fired it's
> >>> > >undocumented
> >>> > > > > > >women
> >>> > > > > > > > >teachers because these private daycares are now
> >>>contracted
> >>> > >out
> >>> > > > >by
> >>> > > > > > >the
> >>> > > > > > > > >state. This displacement of latina community members
> >>>in an
> >>> > > > >attack
> >>> > > > > > >on public
> >>> > > > > > > > >education has to be organized around and McGreevey be
> >>> > >forced to
> >>> > > > > > >take a
> >>> > > > > > > > >position on it.
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > Smash Schundler!
> >>> > > > > > > > > > Women's Victory 2001!
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
> >>> > > > > > > > > > Tamara Dahan
> >>> > > > > > > > > >
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Mumia Demonstration in Philadelphia Attacked by Cops December 8, 2001 - 4:30 PM EST Several people were arrested and some were physically assaulted by police at a demonstration for political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal in Philadelphia today. Those arrested included activists from the October 22nd Coalition to Stop Police Brutality, Refuse&Resist!, and Philly residents who work with International Friends and Family of Mumia Abu-Jamal. An immediate response is needed to answer this outrage. Please call or fax the Philadelphia Police Department ASAP to protest this attack and demand their release! Center City District 927 Filbert Street Philadelphia PA 19107 voice: 215-440-5551 voice: 215-440-5552 fax: 215-440-5556 Mayor's Office (215) 686-1776 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
nbpc 2002 unite the many, defeat the few! 12:00 noon nb public library >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:55:00 +0000 > >Flavio, >I attended the meeting on Sept. 8. Zofia came as a rep of the steering >committee and explained that the Steering Committee dissolved itself and >had no interest in the campaign. At that meeting we voted to recall that >steering commitee and we elected a new one. This is fully in accordance >with the both the letter and spirit of by-laws of the People's Campign; >which hold that the General Meetings are the supreme body and hold supreme >decesion making power, and that the steering committee is subordinated to >that body. The main duties of the Steering Committee lie in the interim >period between general meetings. The People's Campaign internal structure >is radically democratic. > All of the evidence you raised as to why you find this unbelievable >is really not as impartial as you have presented it. Joe and Co. have been >acting in the name of the Campaign since this meeting which would give >credibilty to this story while at the same time the people that you believe >to be on the Steering Committee have not spoken once in the name of the >Campaign. How would you explain this? Actually don't asnwer, I don't really >care. No offense but this debate is >leaning far over the edge of absurdity and I don't want to be the one to >push it over. The Campaign is being destroyed by people who to put it >mildly lack the social graces of kindergardeners (which is not to deny that >their method is connected to their political line but to point to the most >obvious maifestation of that line. Just today Joe Smith said in a letter to >asking me to help him "you are an ass".) on the one hand and on the other >by people who would rather run than struggle (that is how I read their >refusal to show up at the Sept 8 meeting: gutless). > However this deabate is pointless, if everyone can agree on a date >for the next general meeting everything can be decided there. Elections, >tactics, strategy etc. The truth will come out in the couirse of practice. >Whoever has been doing the most effective organizing should have no problem >winning votes at the next meeting. > >Keith > > > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > >Matt, > > > >the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the debate > >over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > >go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is certainly > >free to do so. > > > >I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > >happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > >explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > >why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > >November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > >December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > >yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > >refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > >Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > >votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > >My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > >individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > >assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > >credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > >consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > >something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > >version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > >none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > >statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > >not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing Republican > >members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to believe > >someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > >opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten yourself > >caught > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the heart > >of the > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization of > >the > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism at > >the > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > >democracy > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > >expulsion of > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, re- > >expelling > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > >personally when > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still wondering > >what the > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > >Committee > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > >abandoning > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask you > >because > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > Subject: Response to email > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders by > >virtue > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > >the entity > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > >its name > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted to > >me by > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends to > >next > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" < > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You > >have > > > stated > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members > >are in > > > fact > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > >and learn > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > >spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be confidential > >and > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > >immediately. > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges all our supporters to participate in this endeavor for Tito Kayak. Below is a translated message from Tito Kayak's support listserve. Please forward this out far and wide. Th ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _______________________________________________________________ Since November 30th until today Tito Kayak has been returned to the "hole" for reasons that have not yet been revealed. In a letter dated Dec. 6th, Tito feels that his visitation rights will be taken away from him and that he calls all those that are permitted to see him to visit him by Monday Dec. 10th. He feels it could be the last time they can see him. We are urging everyone to call, fax and email the prison warden asking that Tito be removed from solitary confinement, be given humane treatment and that he be sent back to Puerto Rico to fulfill the remainder of his prison term. Call, write and fax: Gregory Park Warden Metropolitan Correctional Center- Manhattan 150 Park Row N. Y., N.Y. 10007 Tel:(212)240-9656 Fax:(212) 417-7673 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
As you see, the date of this alleged gathering is missing from this post. I can only presume that the date will be determined, after the fact, when Joe thinks happens to think of one and deems it fit to share it with the egroup. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > nbpc 2002 > unite the many, defeat the few! > 12:00 noon > nb public library > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:55:00 +0000 > > > >Flavio, > >I attended the meeting on Sept. 8. Zofia came as a rep of the steering > >committee and explained that the Steering Committee dissolved itself and > >had no interest in the campaign. At that meeting we voted to recall that > >steering commitee and we elected a new one. This is fully in accordance > >with the both the letter and spirit of by-laws of the People's Campign; > >which hold that the General Meetings are the supreme body and hold supreme > >decesion making power, and that the steering committee is subordinated to > >that body. The main duties of the Steering Committee lie in the interim > >period between general meetings. The People's Campaign internal structure > >is radically democratic. > > All of the evidence you raised as to why you find this unbelievable > >is really not as impartial as you have presented it. Joe and Co. have been > >acting in the name of the Campaign since this meeting which would give > >credibilty to this story while at the same time the people that you believe > >to be on the Steering Committee have not spoken once in the name of the > >Campaign. How would you explain this? Actually don't asnwer, I don't really > >care. No offense but this debate is > >leaning far over the edge of absurdity and I don't want to be the one to > >push it over. The Campaign is being destroyed by people who to put it > >mildly lack the social graces of kindergardeners (which is not to deny that > >their method is connected to their political line but to point to the most > >obvious maifestation of that line. Just today Joe Smith said in a letter to > >asking me to help him "you are an ass".) on the one hand and on the other > >by people who would rather run than struggle (that is how I read their > >refusal to show up at the Sept 8 meeting: gutless). > > However this deabate is pointless, if everyone can agree on a date > >for the next general meeting everything can be decided there. Elections, > >tactics, strategy etc. The truth will come out in the couirse of practice. > >Whoever has been doing the most effective organizing should have no problem > >winning votes at the next meeting. > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > > > >Matt, > > > > > >the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the debate > > >over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > > >go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is certainly > > >free to do so. > > > > > >I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > > >happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > > >explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > > >why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > > >November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > > >December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > > >yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > > >refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > > >Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > > >votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > > > >My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > > >individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > > >assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > > >credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > > >consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > > >something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > > >version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > > >none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > > >statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > > >not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing Republican > > >members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to believe > > >someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > > >opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten yourself > > >caught > > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the heart > > >of the > > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization of > > >the > > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism at > > >the > > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > > >democracy > > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > > >expulsion of > > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, re- > > >expelling > > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > > >personally when > > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still wondering > > >what the > > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > > >Committee > > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > > >abandoning > > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask you > > >because > > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > > Subject: Response to email > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders by > > >virtue > > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > > >the entity > > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > > >its name > > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted to > > >me by > > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends to > > >next > > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" < > > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You > > >have > > > > stated > > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members > > >are in > > > > fact > > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > > >and learn > > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > > >spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be confidential > > >and > > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > > >immediately. > > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
ha! saturday, january 5 12:00 noon public library no republicans! what is your position now flavier, on the activities of sept8? -joe >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:44:03 -0000 > >As you see, the date of this alleged gathering is missing from this >post. I can only presume that the date will be determined, after the >fact, when Joe thinks happens to think of one and deems it fit to >share it with the egroup. > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > nbpc 2002 > > unite the many, defeat the few! > > 12:00 noon > > nb public library > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC >General Council > > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:55:00 +0000 > > > > > >Flavio, > > >I attended the meeting on Sept. 8. Zofia came as a rep of the >steering > > >committee and explained that the Steering Committee dissolved >itself and > > >had no interest in the campaign. At that meeting we voted to >recall that > > >steering commitee and we elected a new one. This is fully in >accordance > > >with the both the letter and spirit of by-laws of the People's >Campign; > > >which hold that the General Meetings are the supreme body and hold >supreme > > >decesion making power, and that the steering committee is >subordinated to > > >that body. The main duties of the Steering Committee lie in the >interim > > >period between general meetings. The People's Campaign internal >structure > > >is radically democratic. > > > All of the evidence you raised as to why you find this >unbelievable > > >is really not as impartial as you have presented it. Joe and Co. >have been > > >acting in the name of the Campaign since this meeting which would >give > > >credibilty to this story while at the same time the people that >you believe > > >to be on the Steering Committee have not spoken once in the name >of the > > >Campaign. How would you explain this? Actually don't asnwer, I >don't really > > >care. No offense but this debate is > > >leaning far over the edge of absurdity and I don't want to be the >one to > > >push it over. The Campaign is being destroyed by people who to put >it > > >mildly lack the social graces of kindergardeners (which is not to >deny that > > >their method is connected to their political line but to point to >the most > > >obvious maifestation of that line. Just today Joe Smith said in a >letter to > > >asking me to help him "you are an ass".) on the one hand and on >the other > > >by people who would rather run than struggle (that is how I read >their > > >refusal to show up at the Sept 8 meeting: gutless). > > > However this deabate is pointless, if everyone can agree on >a date > > >for the next general meeting everything can be decided there. >Elections, > > >tactics, strategy etc. The truth will come out in the couirse of >practice. > > >Whoever has been doing the most effective organizing should have >no problem > > >winning votes at the next meeting. > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > > > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General >Council > > > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > > > > > >Matt, > > > > > > > >the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the >debate > > > >over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe >wants to > > > >go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is >certainly > > > >free to do so. > > > > > > > >I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of >votes > > > >happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering >Commitee, > > > >explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or >him - > > > >why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited >until > > > >November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > > > >December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > > > >yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he >still > > > >refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > > > >Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > > > >votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > > > > > >My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > > > >individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > > > >assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > > > >credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > > > >consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent >is > > > >something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > > > >version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he >provided > > > >none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > > > >statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans >is > > > >not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing >Republican > > > >members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to >believe > > > >someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > > > >opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten >yourself > > > >caught > > > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the >heart > > > >of the > > > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective >oragnization of > > > >the > > > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian >formalism at > > > >the > > > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for >peoples' > > > >democracy > > > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > > > >expulsion of > > > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... >btw, re- > > > >expelling > > > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the >city!! > > > > > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > > > >personally when > > > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still >wondering > > > >what the > > > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old >Steering > > > >Committee > > > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better >than > > > >abandoning > > > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only >ask you > > > >because > > > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > > > Subject: Response to email > > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these >orders by > > > >virtue > > > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel >to > > > >the entity > > > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and >dilution of > > > >its name > > > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders >granted to > > > >me by > > > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee >intends to > > > >next > > > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew >Smith" < > > > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said >orders? You > > > >have > > > > > stated > > > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC >members > > > >are in > > > > > fact > > > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from >them, > > > >and learn > > > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > > > >spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be >confidential > > > >and > > > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the >sender > > > >immediately. > > > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be >unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
** PLEASE FORWARD AND DISTRIBUTE WIDELY (ON AND OFF-LINE!) ** INTERNATIONAL CONCERNED FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF MUMIA ABU-JAMAL URGENT APPEAL LATEST UPDATED INFORMATION - PLEASE READ THOROUGHLY: 1. THE MOST URGENT ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS THE NEED FOR MONEY FOR BAIL - THE BONDS SET RANGE FROM BETWEEN $8,000 AND $100,000. THE TOTAL ESTIMATED AMOUNT IS APPROXIMATELY $320,000 FOR ALL THOSE WITH BAIL SET - WE HAVE TO RAISE APPROXIMATELY $15,000 MINIMUM TO BAIL THE REMAINING PEOPLE OUT. 8 PEOPLE WERE ARRESTED, 2 WERE RELEASED WITHOUT CHARGES OR BAIL, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE BEING BAILED OUT, BUT WE MUST URGENTLY RAISE MONEY TO PAY BACK LOANS MADE FOR BAIL. 2. 5 OF THE 6 WHO WERE CHARGED HAVE BEEN ARRAIGNED AND HAVE BAILS AND CHARGES SET. EACH OF THESE 6 MUMIA SUPPORTERS WERE GIVEN FELONY CHARGES, INCLUDING FELONY ASSAULT AND FELONY RIOT, AS WELL AS CONSPIRACY, ASSAULT, AND CONSPIRACY TO RIOT. 3. THIS WAS A **LEGALLY PERMITTED DEMONSTRATION AND MARCH** AND THE KIND OF VIOLENCE POLICE EXHIBITED YESTERDAY WAS HIGHLY UNUSUAL FOR MUMIA MARCHES IN PHILADELPHIA. 4. THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE PREPARED TO MAKE STATEMENTS TO THE MEDIA - MEDIA PERSONS SHOULD CONTACT JODI DODD AT 215-563-7110. 5. 4 PEOPLE WERE HOSPITALIZED WITH INJURIES INCLUDING: PROLONGED STATES OF UNCONSCIOUSNESS, AT LEAST ONE CONCUSSION, FRACTURED TAILBONE, INTERNAL BLEEDING, SEVERE ABRASIONS -- THE WORST INJURED PERSON WAS FINALLY RELEASED. NO ONE IS CURRENTLY IN THE HOSPITAL, ALL ARE IN CUSTODY OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING RELEASED. 6. EVEN THOUGH THE MOST INJURED PERSON HAS ALREADY BEEN RELEASED, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE IN JAIL WITH MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHO ARE IN NEED OF MEDICATION AND TREATMENT. THERE ARE 2 PEOPLE WHO ARE IN JAIL WITHOUT FAMILY NEARBY AND UNTIL WE MAKE CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN PROVIDE MONEY FOR THEM, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THEM OUT ON BAIL IS THROUGH DONATIONS FROM ACTIVISTS AROUND THE COUNTRY. 7. WITNESSES AND DEFENDANTS NEED TO CALL US AT 215-476-5416 IMMEDIATELY. ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY VIDEO OR PHOTO FOOTAGE OR KNOWS ANYONE WHO DOES NEEDS TO CALL IMMEDIATELY AND GIVE THEIR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, AND E-MAIL ADDRESS. PHONE MESSAGES WILL BE CHECKED REGULARLY. IT IS URGENT THAT WE GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION TO LAWYERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. EVERY WITNESS THAT HAS CALLED IN THUS FAR TELLS A SIMILAR STORY AFTER HAVING SEEN THE WHOLE THING HAPPEN AND ALL REPORT WITNESSING THE POLICE POUNCE ON PROTESTORS WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION OR CONFRONTATION. 8. WE NEED PEOPLE TO CALL D.A. LYNN ABRAHAM TO DEMAND THAT ALL CHARGES BE DROPPED AT 215-686-9604, OR FAX 215-686-8049. 9. PLEASE WRITE AND E-MAIL LOCAL AND NATIONAL PRESS (SOME PHILLY PRESS ADDRESSES ARE AVAILABLE AT PHILLYNEWS.COM). DO NOT GIVE NAMES OR DESCRIPTIONS OF SUPPORTERS OVER THE TELEPHONE, IN E-MAILS OR IN LETTERS BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS NEEDED FOR INTERVIEWS WITH LAWYERS. IN PHONE DISCUSSIONS AND LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, PLEASE GIVE GENERAL DESCRIPTIONS OF THE ATMOSPHERE OF HOW POLICE CAME DOWN SO HARD ON PROTESTORS, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MISINFORMATION IN THE MEDIA SAYING THAT PROTESTORS PROVOKED IT IN AN ATTEMPT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A POLICE RIOT. 10. PLEASE CALL PHILADELPHIA MAYOR JOHN STREET AT 215-686-2181 OR FAX 215-686-3162, AS WELL AS ACTING POLICE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AT 215-686-3280, AND MAKE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE WAY PEOPLE WERE TREATED ON THE STREETS AND IN CUSTODY. ** ICFFMAJ IS URGING PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WORLD TO MAKE DONATIONS IF YOU CAN, AND LOANS IF YOU CAN'T MAKE ACTUAL DONATIONS. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO GET THESE PEOPLE RELEASED FROM JAIL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE NEED PEOPLE TO FUNDRAISE ASAP. ** THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO MAKE DONATIONS: A. THE IDEAL THING IS TO WIRE MONEY SO THAT IT CAN BE PICKED UP AS CASH, BECAUSE ONLY CASH CAN BE USED TO BAIL PEOPLE OUT. PLEASE CALL THE OFFICE AT 215-476-5416 SO THAT WE WILL KNOW TO PICK IT UP OR IT WILL JUST SIT THERE. PLEASE WIRE MONEY TO: ANTHONY ALLEN 3960 DENNISON AVE., APT. D-3 DREXEL HILL, PA 19026 YOU WILL NEED HIS PHONE NUMBER (610) 394-0306 B. PLEASE SEND CHECKS IF YOU CANNOT WIRE MONEY. MAKE CHECKS PAYABLE TO PDAG (PHILADELPHIA DIRECT ACTION GROUP), P.O. BOX 40683, PHLA., PA 19107 - SPECIFY IN THE MEMO LINE "DECEMBER 8TH LEGAL FUND". IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DONATION PROCESS OR IF YOU NEED TO MAKE A TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION, CALL DANIELLE AT 215-680-1174 (MESSAGES WILL BE FREQUENTLY CHECKED). STAY STRONG, STAY COMMITTED!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN DO!! CAN'T STOP, WON'T STOP, UNTIL MUMIA IS FREE!! www.mumia.org _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on the Latin@ community and all communities to support Mumia, Mumia's allies and all the forces coming together to fight against the attacks on Dec. 8th. Please read the following. We apologize for so many postings, but we feel this is an emergency!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org (THE SITE IS BACK) Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _________________________________________________________________ International Concerned Family & Friends in Philadelphia has been investigating the police riot at the the peaceful Mumia march this past Saturday in Philadelphia. All eyewitness reports and footage show that the police jumped and beat peaceful marchers without provocation. In particular, they were infuriated at the footage of confessed hitman Arnold Beverly testifying of his guilt in the killing of Officer Daniel Faulkner with the help of corrupt Philly police and mafia. Around 200+ police ambushed Mumia demonstrators on Walnut Street, a wealthy shopping area near where the legally permitted march was about to end at a local church. The demonstrators were taken to the hospital and to the 9th Precinct (20th & Pennsylvania). THIS WAS A PERMITTED DEMONSTRATION. The cops had NO BUSINESS messing with the demonstration at all. Civil Affairs cops who were supposed to be the intermediary between the cops and demonstrators were nowhere to be found during the ambush. A contingent of bicycle cops, assigned to the back of the march, suddenly rode to the middle of the march, ramming people with their bikes and attacked demonstrators. One, Officer Sanromei, pulled his own gun out from under his jacket and held it to the neck of a terrified, peaceful demonstrator. He then pointed his gun in a circle at the demonstrators around him. His out-of-control demeanor and gun caused terror and pandemonium as the crowd ran for their lives. Other police followed people trying to get away clubbing them on their heads, throwing them violently against buildings, blocking their paths towards the nearby church where the legal rally was leading to and arresting us. Another cop, badge number 9354, dragged a young woman on her back for 2 blocks as she was screaming in pain, ripping off her skin and hospitalizing her. At least 10 protestors were arrested, and several hospitalized. One with a broken jaw, one with a broken tailbone, one with a concussion, one rendered unconscious, several with pepper spray injuries and other serious injuries. EVEN THOUGH THE MOST INJURED PERSON HAS ALREADY BEEN RELEASED, WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE IN JAIL WITH MEDICAL CONDITIONS WHO ARE IN NEED OF MEDICATION AND TREATMENT. THERE ARE 2 PEOPLE WHO ARE IN JAIL WITHOUT FAMILY NEARBY AND UNTIL WE MAKE CONTACT WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN PROVIDE MONEY FOR THEM, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THEM OUT ON BAIL IS THROUGH DONATIONS FROM ACTIVISTS AROUND THE COUNTRY Bail is still urgently needed for a couple protestors. WIRE CONTRIBUTIONS (TONITE OR WITHIN 12 HOURS) TO: ANTHONY ALLEN 3960 DENNISON AVE., APT. D-3 DREXEL HILL, PA 19026 YOU WILL NEED HIS PHONE NUMBER (610) 394-0306 ** IMPORTANT: PLEASE CALL ICFFMAJ AT 215-476-5416 TO LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU HAVE WIRED THE MONEY.** WITNESSES AND DEFENDANTS NEED TO CALL US AT 215-476-5416 IMMEDIATELY. ANYBODY WHO HAS ANY VIDEO OR PHOTO FOOTAGE OR KNOWS ANYONE WHO DOES NEEDS TO CALL IMMEDIATELY AND GIVE THEIR NAME, PHONE NUMBER, AND E-MAIL ADDRESS. PHONE MESSAGES WILL BE CHECKED REGULARLY. IT IS URGENT THAT WE GET ALL OF THIS INFORMATION TO LAWYERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. EVERY WITNESS THAT HAS CALLED IN THUS FAR TELLS A SIMILAR STORY AFTER HAVING SEEN THE WHOLE THING HAPPEN AND ALL REPORT WITNESSING THE POLICE POUNCE ON PROTESTORS WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION OR CONFRONTATION. THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE PREPARED TO MAKE STATEMENTS TO THE MEDIA - MEDIA PERSONS SHOULD CONTACT JODI DODD AT 215-563-7110. Also, protest calls are urgently needed to demand charges be dropped against demonstrators (most were given felony charges!) and that cops be jailed. Especially call D.A. LYNN ABRAHAM TO DEMAND THAT ALL CHARGES BE DROPPED AT 215-686-9604, OR FAX 215-686-8049. Keep checking Mumia's official website, www.Mumia.org, Int'l Concerned Family & Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal, for the latest information. Attend the next NYC Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition meeting this weds. Dec. 12th, 7pm at Martin Luther King Jr. Labor Center, 310 W. 43rd St. (just west of 43rd St.) for a complete legal update, to plan defense for our sisters and brothers so brutally attacked, to get new brief filed by Mumia's lawyers (at www.freemumia.com/legal right now) and more. DONATIONS FOR LAWYERS AND POLITICAL DEFENSE URGENTLY NEEDED. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DONATION PROCESS OR IF YOU NEED TO MAKE A TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION, CALL DANIELLE AT 215-680-1174 (MESSAGES WILL BE FREQUENTLY CHECKED). STAY STRONG, STAY COMMITTED!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN DO!! CAN'T STOP, WON'T STOP, UNTIL MUMIA IS FREE!! --Mumia is Innocent! Stop the Frame Up! Free Mumia!-- Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition, NYC, P.O. Box 650, NY, NY 10009 212-330-8029, www.FreeMumia.com, info@... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:18:53 > >Like I said, Flavio, I find your willingness to struggle for the NBPC far >better than abandoning it. I'll believe others committment to it when I >hear it from them, not from you. I find it strange strange that you are >critical of Joe for not posting developments here when this egroup hasn't >been utelized by the old SC for months and months....&, while it is a sign >of a certain maturing of our movement to struggle in the electoral arena, >to >equate this with resolving all of our internal disputes in the courts is >nonsense. Unless we can struggle this out in front of the people and let >them determine which line is in their best interest, the NBPC will not have >a public mandate & will be reduced to a pissant liberal advocacy >group...not >a pajorative, an observation. We must learn to use the electoral process >for the benefit of the peoples' democratic struggle. To be consumed by it >is an error in judgement, and a yielding to the oppressive constructs & >mechanisms of bourgeois rule. For the record, while we're on formalities, >whatever by-law gave you the 'right' to issue such and said orders is the >first thing that ought to go from the organization. Formalities aside, I >am >interested in hearing your thoughts on the original mission of the NBPC as >a >united front. -Matt > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:41:01 -0000 > >Matt, > >what you call the "old" and what I call the "existing" Steering >Committee has been, in the realm of NB politics, recruiting >candidates, analyzing issues, helping student voters on election day, >making RTK requests, writing LTEs, etc. All while working on some >other non-NBPC projects like their criminal justice project, and >engaging in some pro-peace and pro-civil liberties activities. The >basic idea as far as NB is concerned is, as I said previously, is to >broaden the progressives' electoral base in a new organizational >framework. > >As far as the issue of suing in court, organizations, corporations, >churches, etc. have since time immemorial turned to the courts when >one or more faction claimed control. I don't see the idea of >suggesting it to be so out of whack. That said, I find Keith's idea >of setting a mutually agreeable date for a membership meeting to wrap >up business is a useful suggestion. > >I understand you consider the term "liberal legalism" to be a >pejorative; I do not. Two things to consider: (1) this group went >into the 2000 election with the purpose of winning an electoral >campaign. The decision to move from street protestors to an >effective electoral organization necessarily means engaging in a >certain level of legal formalities. (2) Had Joe told the 58 NBPC >members on this egroup about the alleged votes at the September >meeting, in September, his case would be much stronger. A quick >email to me a week after the meeting - or a posting to the group - >saying, "Hey, Flav. At the 9/8 meeting, the members voted out the >old Steering Committe and installed X, Y, Z in their place, and also >voted to expel registered Republicans. Joe" would have been >immensely more credible than contradictory information presented 2 >months after the fact, and would have probably swung me to Joe's side >of this debate. Asking Joe to inform the 58 members of this egroup >of numerous radical sea changes in the group is not, in my view, >asking for unnecessary "legalisms" but just basic communication from >leadership to members. > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > Flavio- Where has the old SC been throughout all of this, if not >abandoning > > the project out of their own frustrations? Your assertion that Joe >should > > sue you in court to resolve the matter shows how out of touch with >the > > essence of the original organizational mission this liberal >legalism is. > > That said- I respect that you haven't relinguished your >responsibility and > > history with the NBPC- which far and away better than some other >organizers > > tendencies -Matt > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General >Council > > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > > Matt, > > > > the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the >debate > > over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > > go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is >certainly > > free to do so. > > > > I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > > happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > > explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > > why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > > November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > > December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > > yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > > refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > > Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > > votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > > My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > > individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > > assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > > credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > > consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > > something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > > version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > > none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > > statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > > not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing >Republican > > members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to >believe > > someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > > opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten >yourself > > caught > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the >heart > > of the > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization >of > > the > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism >at > > the > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > > democracy > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > > expulsion of > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, >re- > > expelling > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > > personally when > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still >wondering > > what the > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > > Committee > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > > abandoning > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask >you > > because > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > Subject: Response to email > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders >by > > virtue > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > > the entity > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > > its name > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted >to > > me by > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends >to > > next > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" >< > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? >You > > have > > > stated > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC >members > > are in > > > fact > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > > and learn > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > > spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be >confidential > > and > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > > immediately. > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be >unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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>From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:41:01 -0000 > >Matt, > >what you call the "old" and what I call the "existing" Steering >Committee has been, in the realm of NB politics, recruiting >candidates, analyzing issues, helping student voters on election day, >making RTK requests, writing LTEs, etc. All while working on some >other non-NBPC projects like their criminal justice project, and >engaging in some pro-peace and pro-civil liberties activities. The >basic idea as far as NB is concerned is, as I said previously, is to >broaden the progressives' electoral base in a new organizational >framework. > >As far as the issue of suing in court, organizations, corporations, >churches, etc. have since time immemorial turned to the courts when >one or more faction claimed control. I don't see the idea of >suggesting it to be so out of whack. That said, I find Keith's idea >of setting a mutually agreeable date for a membership meeting to wrap >up business is a useful suggestion. > >I understand you consider the term "liberal legalism" to be a >pejorative; I do not. Two things to consider: (1) this group went >into the 2000 election with the purpose of winning an electoral >campaign. The decision to move from street protestors to an >effective electoral organization necessarily means engaging in a >certain level of legal formalities. (2) Had Joe told the 58 NBPC >members on this egroup about the alleged votes at the September >meeting, in September, his case would be much stronger. A quick >email to me a week after the meeting - or a posting to the group - >saying, "Hey, Flav. At the 9/8 meeting, the members voted out the >old Steering Committe and installed X, Y, Z in their place, and also >voted to expel registered Republicans. Joe" would have been >immensely more credible than contradictory information presented 2 >months after the fact, and would have probably swung me to Joe's side >of this debate. Asking Joe to inform the 58 members of this egroup >of numerous radical sea changes in the group is not, in my view, >asking for unnecessary "legalisms" but just basic communication from >leadership to members. > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > Flavio- Where has the old SC been throughout all of this, if not >abandoning > > the project out of their own frustrations? Your assertion that Joe >should > > sue you in court to resolve the matter shows how out of touch with >the > > essence of the original organizational mission this liberal >legalism is. > > That said- I respect that you haven't relinguished your >responsibility and > > history with the NBPC- which far and away better than some other >organizers > > tendencies -Matt > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General >Council > > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > > Matt, > > > > the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the >debate > > over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > > go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is >certainly > > free to do so. > > > > I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > > happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > > explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > > why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > > November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > > December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > > yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > > refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > > Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > > votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > > My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > > individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > > assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > > credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > > consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > > something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > > version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > > none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > > statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > > not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing >Republican > > members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to >believe > > someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > > opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten >yourself > > caught > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the >heart > > of the > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization >of > > the > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism >at > > the > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > > democracy > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > > expulsion of > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, >re- > > expelling > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > > personally when > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still >wondering > > what the > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > > Committee > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > > abandoning > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask >you > > because > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > Subject: Response to email > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders >by > > virtue > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > > the entity > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > > its name > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted >to > > me by > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends >to > > next > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" >< > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? >You > > have > > > stated > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC >members > > are in > > > fact > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > > and learn > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > > spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be >confidential > > and > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > > immediately. > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be >unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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"one week after the 9/8 mtg", there were, to be sure, other things suddenly at the forefront of discussion. not for nothing, but "egroup members" interest in the 9/8 mtg is measured, in reality, by their attendence (& lack of) at the general mtg. any requests for information as to what transpired at the mtg certainly wd have been answered. there were none, even by yrself. odd, no? considering the fuss you put up opposing the proposals. this can only be interpreted, consistent w/ zofia's announcement, as abandonment of the organization. subsequent mtgs & events were well publicized & were also abandoned. you act as if there were a history of posting minutes on egroups. & membership to an egroup does not necessarily translate to participation in an organization. next nbpc mtg is 5 january, 2002. noon, nb public library. all non (anti)-republicans welcome. cliff >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 01:37:51 +0000 > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:41:01 -0000 > > > >Matt, > > > >what you call the "old" and what I call the "existing" Steering > >Committee has been, in the realm of NB politics, recruiting > >candidates, analyzing issues, helping student voters on election day, > >making RTK requests, writing LTEs, etc. All while working on some > >other non-NBPC projects like their criminal justice project, and > >engaging in some pro-peace and pro-civil liberties activities. The > >basic idea as far as NB is concerned is, as I said previously, is to > >broaden the progressives' electoral base in a new organizational > >framework. > > > >As far as the issue of suing in court, organizations, corporations, > >churches, etc. have since time immemorial turned to the courts when > >one or more faction claimed control. I don't see the idea of > >suggesting it to be so out of whack. That said, I find Keith's idea > >of setting a mutually agreeable date for a membership meeting to wrap > >up business is a useful suggestion. > > > >I understand you consider the term "liberal legalism" to be a > >pejorative; I do not. Two things to consider: (1) this group went > >into the 2000 election with the purpose of winning an electoral > >campaign. The decision to move from street protestors to an > >effective electoral organization necessarily means engaging in a > >certain level of legal formalities. (2) Had Joe told the 58 NBPC > >members on this egroup about the alleged votes at the September > >meeting, in September, his case would be much stronger. A quick > >email to me a week after the meeting - or a posting to the group - > >saying, "Hey, Flav. At the 9/8 meeting, the members voted out the > >old Steering Committe and installed X, Y, Z in their place, and also > >voted to expel registered Republicans. Joe" would have been > >immensely more credible than contradictory information presented 2 > >months after the fact, and would have probably swung me to Joe's side > >of this debate. Asking Joe to inform the 58 members of this egroup > >of numerous radical sea changes in the group is not, in my view, > >asking for unnecessary "legalisms" but just basic communication from > >leadership to members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- Where has the old SC been throughout all of this, if not > >abandoning > > > the project out of their own frustrations? Your assertion that Joe > >should > > > sue you in court to resolve the matter shows how out of touch with > >the > > > essence of the original organizational mission this liberal > >legalism is. > > > That said- I respect that you haven't relinguished your > >responsibility and > > > history with the NBPC- which far and away better than some other > >organizers > > > tendencies -Matt > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > > > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General > >Council > > > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the > >debate > > > over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > > > go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is > >certainly > > > free to do so. > > > > > > I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > > > happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > > > explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > > > why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > > > November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > > > December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > > > yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > > > refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > > > Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > > > votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > > > > My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > > > individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > > > assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > > > credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > > > consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > > > something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > > > version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > > > none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > > > statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > > > not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing > >Republican > > > members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to > >believe > > > someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > > > opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten > >yourself > > > caught > > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the > >heart > > > of the > > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization > >of > > > the > > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism > >at > > > the > > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > > > democracy > > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > > > expulsion of > > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, > >re- > > > expelling > > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > > > personally when > > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still > >wondering > > > what the > > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > > > Committee > > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > > > abandoning > > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask > >you > > > because > > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > > Subject: Response to email > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders > >by > > > virtue > > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > > > the entity > > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > > > its name > > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted > >to > > > me by > > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends > >to > > > next > > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" > >< > > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? > >You > > > have > > > > stated > > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC > >members > > > are in > > > > fact > > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > > > and learn > > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > > > spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be > >confidential > > > and > > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > > > immediately. > > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be > >unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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go fuck yourself >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>, "joseph smith" ><can_bush@...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Endgame >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > >Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable >date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would >agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of >the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you >guys save face , stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let >me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let >me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Joe, Thanks for your message. I knew I could count on you to sit down and broker a settlement to this conflict like an adult. Also, thanks for replying publicly so everyone can see your level of maturity in dealing with this issue. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > go fuck yourself > > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" > ><can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >Subject: Endgame > >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > > > >Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable > >date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would > >agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of > >the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you > >guys save face , stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let > >me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let > >me know. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
>From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>, "joseph smith" ><can_bush@...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Endgame >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > >Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable >date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would >agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of >the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you >guys save face , stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let >me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let >me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
speaking for myself, i have no problem attending a working mtg, if a productive agenda is proposed to find some level of unified work. i have no interest in a mtg whose purpose is to "dissolve" the nbpc, as you have announced yr intent to the home news tribune. i have no interest in mtg w/ any agents of the republican party. that sd, understand that the nbpc general mtg, as democratically determined in open, public mtg, is noon, 5 jan. 2002, nb public library. the "steering committee" you reference is not the democratically elected leadership of the nbpc. holla back. cliff >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>, "joseph smith" ><can_bush@...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Subject: Endgame >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > >Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable >date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would >agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of >the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you >guys save face , stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let >me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let >me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
"ought to" is old news. the nbpc "statement of purpose" was adopted at the 9/8 mtg. you can find it on the message board. flavio has no authority to order anything except at domino's. furthermore, flavio is in no way "struggling for the nbpc". he has abandoned all responsibility to it, except to attempt to obstruct its progress for the stated purpose of "dissolving" it. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> wrote: > > > > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > >Subject: Re: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:18:53 > > > >Like I said, Flavio, I find your willingness to struggle for the NBPC far > >better than abandoning it. I'll believe others committment to it when I > >hear it from them, not from you. I find it strange strange that you are > >critical of Joe for not posting developments here when this egroup hasn't > >been utelized by the old SC for months and months....&, while it is a sign > >of a certain maturing of our movement to struggle in the electoral arena, > >to > >equate this with resolving all of our internal disputes in the courts is > >nonsense. Unless we can struggle this out in front of the people and let > >them determine which line is in their best interest, the NBPC will not have > >a public mandate & will be reduced to a pissant liberal advocacy > >group...not > >a pajorative, an observation. We must learn to use the electoral process > >for the benefit of the peoples' democratic struggle. To be consumed by it > >is an error in judgement, and a yielding to the oppressive constructs & > >mechanisms of bourgeois rule. For the record, while we're on formalities, > >whatever by-law gave you the 'right' to issue such and said orders is the > >first thing that ought to go from the organization. Formalities aside, I > >am > >interested in hearing your thoughts on the original mission of the NBPC as > >a > >united front. -Matt > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > >To: nbpcmembers@y... > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 04:41:01 -0000 > > > >Matt, > > > >what you call the "old" and what I call the "existing" Steering > >Committee has been, in the realm of NB politics, recruiting > >candidates, analyzing issues, helping student voters on election day, > >making RTK requests, writing LTEs, etc. All while working on some > >other non-NBPC projects like their criminal justice project, and > >engaging in some pro-peace and pro-civil liberties activities. The > >basic idea as far as NB is concerned is, as I said previously, is to > >broaden the progressives' electoral base in a new organizational > >framework. > > > >As far as the issue of suing in court, organizations, corporations, > >churches, etc. have since time immemorial turned to the courts when > >one or more faction claimed control. I don't see the idea of > >suggesting it to be so out of whack. That said, I find Keith's idea > >of setting a mutually agreeable date for a membership meeting to wrap > >up business is a useful suggestion. > > > >I understand you consider the term "liberal legalism" to be a > >pejorative; I do not. Two things to consider: (1) this group went > >into the 2000 election with the purpose of winning an electoral > >campaign. The decision to move from street protestors to an > >effective electoral organization necessarily means engaging in a > >certain level of legal formalities. (2) Had Joe told the 58 NBPC > >members on this egroup about the alleged votes at the September > >meeting, in September, his case would be much stronger. A quick > >email to me a week after the meeting - or a posting to the group - > >saying, "Hey, Flav. At the 9/8 meeting, the members voted out the > >old Steering Committe and installed X, Y, Z in their place, and also > >voted to expel registered Republicans. Joe" would have been > >immensely more credible than contradictory information presented 2 > >months after the fact, and would have probably swung me to Joe's side > >of this debate. Asking Joe to inform the 58 members of this egroup > >of numerous radical sea changes in the group is not, in my view, > >asking for unnecessary "legalisms" but just basic communication from > >leadership to members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- Where has the old SC been throughout all of this, if not > >abandoning > > > the project out of their own frustrations? Your assertion that Joe > >should > > > sue you in court to resolve the matter shows how out of touch with > >the > > > essence of the original organizational mission this liberal > >legalism is. > > > That said- I respect that you haven't relinguished your > >responsibility and > > > history with the NBPC- which far and away better than some other > >organizers > > > tendencies -Matt > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@y...> > > > Reply-To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > To: nbpcmembers@y... > > > Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General > >Council > > > Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the > >debate > > > over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > > > go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is > >certainly > > > free to do so. > > > > > > I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > > > happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > > > explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > > > why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > > > November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > > > December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > > > yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > > > refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > > > Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > > > votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > > > > My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > > > individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > > > assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > > > credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > > > consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > > > something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > > > version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > > > none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > > > statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > > > not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing > >Republican > > > members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to > >believe > > > someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > > > opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten > >yourself > > > caught > > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the > >heart > > > of the > > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization > >of > > > the > > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism > >at > > > the > > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > > > democracy > > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > > > expulsion of > > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, > >re- > > > expelling > > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > > > personally when > > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still > >wondering > > > what the > > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > > > Committee > > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > > > abandoning > > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask > >you > > > because > > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > > Subject: Response to email > > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders > >by > > > virtue > > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > > > the entity > > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > > > its name > > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted > >to > > > me by > > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends > >to > > > next > > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" > >< > > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? > >You > > > have > > > > stated > > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC > >members > > > are in > > > > fact > > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > > > and learn > > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > > > spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be > >confidential > > > and > > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > > > immediately. > > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be > >unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > nbpcmembers-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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"We are very confident that Crossroads, the theater, will be a vibrant
part of the cultural center. I am hoping that the Crossroads organization is
up and running and that it's presenting again, but sans that, that building
will be an important part of the cultural experience," Paladino said.
Devco gets role in operating State Theatre
Published in the Home News Tribune 12/11/01
By LAURIE GRANIERI
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: The State Theatre will become a separate
entity in a reorganization of the New Brunswick Cultural Center that was
more than two years in the making.
Under the new plan, the New Brunswick Development Corp., or
Devco, will provide the Cultural Center with management and administrative
support.
A reconstituted Cultural Center board of directors has been
established, and it includes some key players in the city's revitalization:
George Zoffinger, chairman of Devco; Ralph Voorhees; John Heldrich, a
Johnson & Johnson executive who was instrumental in forming Devco and New
Brunswick Tomorrow; Tom Kelso, and John Varley.
Devco was created in 1976 to turn New Brunswick's blighted
city blocks into a commercial and cultural hub by drawing businesses and
development into the downtown area. Its role in the city has continued to
expand: Earlier this year, it took over management of City Market, the
downtown's special-improvement district.
The New Brunswick Cultural Center owns the George Street
Playhouse and Crossroads Theatre Company buildings on Livingston Avenue, and
it holds a lease on the State Theatre from Middlesex County. American
Repertory Ballet, housed in Kilmer Square, a building owned by Devco, also
is a member company of the Cultural Center.
The Cultural Center oversees capital improvements and
maintenance, from new theater marquees to landscaping.
Like its other constituents, the State Theatre now will have
an independent board to make decisions and raise money. Previously, the
theater was run directly by the cultural center.
"The State Theatre would now become a tenant in a building,
allowing them to focus (on art)," said Devco President Christopher J.
Paladino. "They spent a lot of time worrying about utilitarian things."
Devco's role in the Cultural Center will be primarily
managerial, Paladino said, overseeing capital improvements.
Paladino said board members are touring each building "closet
by closet, roof by roof, doing an evaluation of (their) condition" to
formulate a maintenance plan and determine how the space might be utilized
most efficiently. (For instance, ARB, which is short on office space, may
use available space at another member company's building.)
Paladino also said he plans to encourage more collaboration
between the Cultural Center and its Livingston Avenue neighbor, Mason Gross
School of the Arts.
In addition, he said, the Cultural Center is considering
creating "hooks," collaborative efforts between theaters and other downtown
businesses, such as last summer's "Ultimate Date Night," in which the State
Theatre paired up with city restaurants to offer movies at the theater and
discounts at the restaurants. Paladino estimated 250-300 people attended the
series each week.
The Cultural Center will "absolutely not" make programming
decisions for any member company, Paladino said, and it will not fund-raise.
ARB's $300,000 deficit prompted the company to cut four
dancers from its roster, effective next month. Meanwhile, the Tony
Award-winning Crossroads Theatre Company, considered by many to have been
the nation's premier black theater company, closed in Sept. 2000, citing a
$2 million debt.
The Cultural Center plans to use Crossroads' 310-seat theater
as a performance venue, although Paladino added the Cultural Center would
not use it in "any way that impairs their ability to be back to running a
full season."
"We are very confident that Crossroads, the theater, will be
a vibrant part of the cultural center. I am hoping that the Crossroads
organization is up and running and that it's presenting again, but sans
that, that building will be an important part of the cultural experience,"
Paladino said.
Laurie Granieri: (732) 565-7333. E-mail granieri@...
from the Home News Tribune
Published: December 11, 2001
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matt, that doesn't sound like "respect" to me. what should joe have done? accept a plea-deal that says he's guilty when we are fighting the city machine right now and are headed into new elections. how are we supposed to organize and win through admissions of guilt. they stood their ground which is more than you did begging for a plea as soon as you walked in the door. what kind of unity does that show? i also told joe he shouldn't take the plea. do you have some snide comments for my motives too? are you saying that cliff should have delivered himself into the hands of the city like you did, cause "he walked"? and you're right about santos, but it was evident from the start that he was sold out to the machine. best not to snuggle up to the enemy then, and seek his representation when he illegally refuses to represent joe and cliff. but then again you made clear from the begining that these were "separate cases". right. tamara >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, >nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Re: Final conclusions... >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 23:02:15 > >Joe- I'm not going to get into a major debate with you over this court >issue- you made your own decisions & I told you at the time that I would >respect what you decide--even though my advise was to take the final plea. >But you're deluding yourself about the outcome, and what taking a plea >would >have implied about your integrity as an organizer, or how it would have >affected peoples' perception of you. It's a mistake that's crippled you >for >30 days & 1 year, at the advise of Cliff. > >But you're right about one thing- when I read the SL article, & realized >that the cop was a no-show, I was kicking myself for not pleading innocent. >(I guess it was beyond Santos to raise it) > > > > >Ironic, though, since it was your own brother & closest organizational & > >ideological partner, Cliff, whose advise led you to take 30 days >community > >service & a year's probation instead of accepting a plea for a minor > >misdemeanor while he walked... > >100% better than for me to plead guilty - which you did for no reason at >all. even the papers recognized that there was no evidence offered against >you. > > >have you given much thought to this over the past few days? That's 30 > >days--or 6 work weeks--that you won't be able to organize. (Then for him >to > >claim that "nobody is any better or worse off" for the risk of trial than > >taking the plea!...) hey- just trying to lend some perspective. > >i have already gotten much support over the guilty verdict. >how much support do you think the campaign would have gotten if i pled >guilty? > > >--it ain't me, babe.... MS > >no shit.-joe > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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Mural features cultural leaders' portraits
12/13/01
BY DIANE C. WALSH
STAR-LEDGER STAFF
No fewer than 50 artists, children, neighbors and community leaders have
picked up brushes in the past few months to add their touches to a 36-foot
mural in New Brunswick.
The larger-than-life artwork is a product of the People's Community Arts
Mural Project of New Brunswick. It decorates a wall of the Tiny Tots Spot
child care center run by Ebenezer Baptist Church on Lee Avenue.
"It gives the community a voice," said one of the organizers, Tamara
Dahan. "It brightens up the area, discourages the graffiti artists and
enables people to come together."
The first community mural was done in 2000 on Throop Avenue, along a
wall near an apartment complex. Its theme was police brutality.
For the second work, the nonprofit Mural Project participants chose
several themes, including community access to higher education and the need
for recreational facilities.
Shalonda Tanner, a young mother who got involved when her son, Wesley,
brought home a flier from school, was inspired to see local youngsters work
on the project. "It was wonderful to see them actually being creative and
see them brainstorm," she said.
Planning and design of the mural began last summer. It features
portraits of cultural and historical figures who have worked for and
contributed to positive change in their communities, such as famed jazz
musician James P. Johnson from New Brunswick, farm workers leader Dolores
Huerta, baseball great Roberto Clemente, Malcolm X and Sojourner Truth.
Local images, such as the recently demolished Memorial Homes, have also
been incorporated into the piece.
The Middlesex County Cultural and Heritage Commission awarded the Mural
Project a grant to help create the work. The Chai Project of New Brunswick
also offered assistance.
The community has been working on the project every weekend for the past
few months, weather permitting. But Tanner said the cold weather would
probably delay completion until spring.
Already, the group is working on next summer's project. One of the
founders, Joseph Smith, said it's becoming a staple in the community. "It
brings the whole neighborhood together. Everyone who walks by spends a few
minutes with us. We're building bridges into the community."
Diane C. Walsh covers Middlesex County government. She can be
reached at (732) 634-4308 or by e-mail at dwalsh@....
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matt, etal- this position is entirely sound. especially because it takes a view of reality that extends beyond nb and simple opposition to "Democrats". i am glad you got to the hnt article in which flavio &co. state their intentions to "dissolve" the nbpc. i think there needs to be a little more development of the danger of the "fascist beast", partly to say that the open form of this fascism is led by the u.s. republican party, and that the heart of the struggle over the nbpc is the question of whether or not to ally w/ agents of this enemy party. we, the "extremists", oppose uniting with republicans, and state our view of such a united front on that basis. we welcome the involvement of anyone else. i stated in reply to flavio's echo of keith's invitation to meet (flavio censors my posts to nbpcmembers & sends them back "rejected") that, for myself, i am open to any working meeting which has a productive agenda, provided republican agents are excluded. i have not heard a response. cliff >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >To: flavio.komuves@... >CC: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, keithjoseph@..., amirib@..., >lknesta@..., can_bush@..., cliffsmith69@... >Subject: To Flavio, GC-NBPC >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:10:20 > > >It's simple, Flavio- Like Keith said, you're perspective is not without >bias towards a particular faction- You haven't been acting with the >interest of the NBPC as a UNITED FRONT in mind (its original mission) You >have been speaking voluntarily on behalf of an absentee "Steering >Committee" that, from quite reliable accounts, was recalled by a general >body that DID convene. And, according to the Dec. 4 Home News article, >that I'm sorry to say that I did not read until recently, you are quoted as >saying that your intention is to fold the NBPC & create a new body- if this >is so, then the only conclusion left is that you have come back into the >NBPC (on your own behalf of your own time invested, &/or on behalf of >others) in order to 'formally' end it...may I speculate to your reasoning: >that it's good name not be squandered by the "extremists". Sound >reasonable? Let me make my postion quite clear: I don't give a good god >damn what you call it- we need a united front to beat back this fascist >beast that has made it very clear that they intend on reviving cointelpro, >formally, and has already begun destoying organizations here for the crime >of being Muslim, or associated with the life & death struggles of oppressed >peoples in the arab world. All your legalistic manuevering misses this >objective entirely, and once again does little to nothing to win over the >hearts and minds of the people of NB. With respect to your dedication to >this project, unless the ends are ammended, then all this debate about the >means is a waste of time. > >That said, I think you've entirely overreached your role as General Council >& are acting more like General Kumoves. > >This is all on the *one* hand...& again, as Keith said, their is another >that responds with "fuck you" to overures to sit down at the same table, or >"your an ass", help me out.... > >-Matthew > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@...> >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:54:42 -0500 > >Matt, > >give me a break... I've let everyone have their say; I've let through stuff >calling me personally a "liar," "jackass" and worse. I'm still trying to >set some standards; the unofficial nbpeoplescampaign is there for >everything else. > >On another note, I am genuinely interested in hearing your views about why >I shouldn't have authority to put down coups, write cease-and-desist >letters, authorize and coordinate litigation, write press releases, etc. I >think an electoral group has to have leaders authorized to act quickly >where the situation warrants it instead of waiting for the admittedly more >democractic general meetings to debate things. E.g., last September, when >we decided to sue the county clerk for the confusing school board question, >X and Frank authorized that summarily on my recommendation. Or, in >response to the housing ordinance (last April), the SC formulated a >position, went and spoke out against it, all without a general meeting. > >Is it your position that only steering committee members (as opposed to >appointed people like myself) should have this power - or should it all >wait for a general meeting? Assume for the sake of argument that Joe, >Frank Bright, or anyone else, sends out an unauthorized press release. Is >it only a Steering Committee member personally who can stop him? Are they >not allowed to delegate that power to another? > >Flav > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
my comments are underneath, refering to this message from keith: --- In njfo@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote: >" when they (Greens) sense their >increasing unpopularity." Cliff Smith Odd, this sense of "increasing unpopularity" doesn't usually seem to have any effect on people's political lines. Keith --- End forwarded message --- keith you are an ass because of yourself, don't blame me for pointing it out! this is what keith has no time for? maybe he can explain... this was written on 11/18/01 when keith didn't "have a million better things to do". this is a weak jab at cliff because keith has thrown cliff out of every organization they have participated in. but yet cliff, though isolated organizationally, has constantly emerged with the correct political line/analysis. keith doesn't understand that a movement is not an organization that you can throw people out of, it is the practical results of the peoples political development. this is why KEITH IS SO BACKWARDS THAT HE NOT ONLY SABATOGED U&S FOR THE SECOND TIME, HE REGISTERED HIMSELF REPUBLICAN AS A CANDIDATE FOR CITY COUNCIL NOV2002. keith still does not understand the simple mathmatics of organizing! cliff's work brought 2994 votes for an elected school board, what is unpopular about that? nothing, except that is not what keith is looking at. keith is looking at the fact that he & others will not work with cliff and therefore why won't cliff go away based on his "unpopularity". -joe _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
nbpc does not need to meet with flavio to save face. flavio must recognize that nbpc is an organization that has abolished the republican allied steering committee. as long as flavio wants to act as though this has not happened & i "have no credibility", though he was told by numerous people, he can go fuck himself. flavio, in order to show his understanding, must send a press release explaining his recognition of the nbpc's general body decisions of sept8 and send it to sharon waters & mike reilly & confirm that they have received it. flavio &co. if you want to participate with the nbpc, then do it. if you do not want to participate with the organization, then don't. -joe nbpc 2002 unite the many, defeat the few! nb public library 12:00 noon 5 january 2002 --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: go fuck yourself From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> Subject: Endgame Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you guys save face , stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let me know. --- End forwarded message ---
On the Chungking Negotiations Oct. 17, 1945 Let us talk about the present situation. That is what our comrades are interested in. This time the negotiations between the Kuomintang and the Communist Party at Chungking have lasted forty-three days. The results have already been published in the newspapers. The representatives of the two parties are continuing to negotiate. The negotiations have borne fruit. The Kuomintang has accepted the principles of peace and unity, recognized certain democratic rights of the people and agreed that civil war should be averted and that the two parties should co-operated in peace to build a new China. On these points agreement has been reached. There are other points on which there is no agreement. The question of the Liberated Areas has not been solved either. The agreements reached are still only on paper. Words on paper are not equivalent to reality. Facts have shown that a very great effort must still be made before they can be turned into reality. The Kuomintang is negotiating with us on the one hand, and is vigorously attacking the Liberated Areas on the other hand. Not counting the forces surrounding the Shensi-Kansu-Ningsia Border Region, 800,000 Kuomintang troops are already directly engaged in these attacks. Wherever there are Liberated Areas, fighting is going on or being prepared. The very first article of the "October 10th Agreement" is on "peace and national reconstruction"; don't these words on paper contradict reality? Yes, they do. That is why we say it still requires effort on our part to turn what is on paper into reality. Why does the Kuomintang mobilize so many troops to attack us? Because long ago it made up its mind to wipe out the people's forces, to wipe us out. Best of all, it would like to wipe us out quickly or, failing that, to worsen our situation and improve its own. Peace, though written into the agreement, has not in fact been realized. In places like the Shangtang area in Shansi Province there is fighting on a fairly large scale. The Shangtang area, rimmed by the Taihang, Taiyueh and Chungtiao Mountains, is like a tub. This tub contains fish and meat, and Yen Hsi-shan sent thirteen divisions to grab it. Our policy also was set long ago--to give tit for tat, to fight for every inch of land. This time we gave tit for tat, fought and made a good job of it. In other words, we wiped out all thirteen divisions. Their attacking forces had 38,000 men, and we employed 31,000 men. Of their 38,000 men, 35,000 were destroyed, 2,000 fled and 1,000 scattered. Such fighting will continue. They want desperately to grab our Liberated Areas. This seems hard to explain. Whu are they so anxious to grab? Isn't it good for the Liberated Areas to be in our hands, in the hands of the people? Yes, but that is only what we think, what the people think. If they thought so, too, there would be unity and we would all be "comrades". But they can't see why they shouldn't oppose us. It is quite natural that they should attack us. For uor part, we can't see why we should let them seize our Liberated Areas. It is also quite natural that we should counter-attack. When two "can't-see-whys" come together, they fight. Since there are two can't-see-whys, why have they negotiated? And why have they concluded the "October 10th Agreement"? In this world, things are complicated and are decided by many factors. We should look at problems from different aspects, not from just one. In Chungking some people think that Chiang Kai-shek is unreliable and deceitful ant that negotiations with him can lead nowhere. So I was told my many people I met, including some members of the Kuomintang. I told them that what they said was justified and well-founded and that we were firmly convinced by eighteen years of experience that this would be the case. The Kuomintang and the Communist Party are sure to fail in their negotiations, sure to start fighting and sure to break with each other, but that is only one aspect of the matter. Another aspect is that many other factors are bound to make Chiang Kai-shek have misgivings. Among these factors, the three main ones are the might of the Liberated Areas, the opposition to civil war by the people in the Great Rear Area, and the international situation. In our Liberated Areas there are 100 million people, one million troops and two million poeple's militia, a force no one dares to belittle. Our Party's place in the nation's political life is no longer what it was in 1927, nor what it was in 1937. The Kuomintang, which has always refused to recognize the equal status of the Communist Party, is now forced to do so. Our work in the Liberated Areas has already influenced all China and the whole world. The people in the Great Rear Area desire peace and need democracy. When in Chungking, I had a profound sense of the warm support given us by the broad masses of the people. They are dissatisfied with the Kuomintang government and place their hopes on us. I also met many foreigners, including Americans, who sympathize with us. The broad masses of the people in foreign countries are dissatisfied with the Chinese people's forces. They also dissaprove of Chiang Kai-shek's policies. Whe have many friends in all parts of the country and of the world; we are not isolated. Those who oppose civil war in China and stand for peace and democracy include not only the people in our Liberated Areas but also the masses in the Great Rear Area and throughout the world. The subjective desire of Chiang Kai-shek is to maintain his dictatorship and destroy the Communist Party, but many objective difficulties stand in his way. Therefore, he has to be a little realistic. He is being realistic in inviting us and we were realistic in going to negotiate with him. We arrived in Chungking on August 28. On the evening of the 29th, I told the Kuomintang representatives that the country needed peace and unity ever since the September 18th Incident in 1931. We had asked for peace and unity, but they had not materialized. Peace and unity materialized only after the Sian Incident of 1936 before the outbreak of the War of Resistance on July 7, 1937. During the eight years of that war we fought together against Japan. But civil war never stopped; there were continuous frictions, big and small. To say there was no civil war is deception and does not square with the facts. In the pat eight years we repeatedly expressed our willingness to negotiate. At the Seventh Congress of our Party we declared that "we are willing to resume negotiations with the Kuomintang authorities as soon as they are willing to renounce their present erroneous policies and agree to democratic reforms". In the negotiations we declared that, first, China needs peace and, second, China needs democracy. Chiang Kai-shek could find no reason to object and had to agree. On the one hand, the policy of peace and the agreements on democracy published in the "Summary of Conversations" are words on paper and not yet reality; on the other hand, they have been determined by a variety of forces. The forces of the people in the Liberated Areas, the forces of the people in the Great Rear Area, the international situation--the general trend has forced the Kuomintang to accept these things. How to give "tit for tat" depends on the situation. Sometimes, not going to negotiations is tit-for-tat; and sometimes, going to negotiations is also tit-for-tat. We were right not to go before, and also right to go this time; in both cases we have given tit for tat. We did well to go this time, for we exploded the rumour spread by the Kuomintang that the Communist Party did not want peace and unity. They sent three successive telegrams to invite us, and we went. But they were totally unprepared, and we had to make all the proposals. As a result of the negotiations, the Kuomintang has accepted the general policy of peace and unity. That's fine. If the Kuomintang launches civil war again, it will put itself in the wrong in the eyes of the whole nation and the whole world, and we shall have all the more reason to smash its attacks by a war of self-defence. Now that the "October 10th Agreement" has been concluded, our task is to continue to strive for peace. If they fight, we will wipe them out completely. This is the way things are: if they attack and we wipe them out, they will have that satisfaction; wipe out some, some satisfaction; wipe out more, more satisfaction; wipe out the whole lot, complete satisfaction. China's problems are complicated and our brains must also be a little complicated. If they start fighting, we fight back, fight to win peace. Peace will not come unless we strike hard blows at the reactionaries who dare to attack the Liberated Areas... The above is what I want to say to the comrades about the present situation. Its development shows many contradictions. In the negotiations between the Kuomintang and our Party, why is there agreement on some questions and not on others? Why does the "Summary of Conversations" speak of peace and unity, while fighting is actually going on? Some comrades just can't understand such contradictions. What I have said is meant to answer these questions. Some comrades can't understand why we should be willing to negotiate with Chiang Kai-shek, who has always been anti-Communist and against the people. Was our party right or wrong in deciding at its Seventh Congress that we were willing to negotiate with the Kuomintang, provided they changed their policy? It was absolutely right. The Chinese revolution is a long one and victory can only be won step by step. China's future depends on our exertions. We must redouble our efforts to make it develop in a direction favourable to the people of the whole country. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
by Richard Wright At the age of twelve, before I had had one full year of formal schooling, I had a conception of life that no experience would ever erase, a predilection for what was real that no argument could ever gainsay, a sense of the world that was mine and mine alone, a notion as to what life meant that no education could ever alter, a conviction that the meaning of living came only when one was struggling to wring a meaning out of meaningless suffering. At the age of twelve I had an attitude toward life that was to endure, that was to make me seek those areas of living that would keep it alive, that was to make me skeptical of everything while seeking everything, tolerant of all and yet critical. The spirit I had caught gave me insight into the sufferings of others, made me gravitate toward those whose feelings were like my own, made me sit for hours while others told me of their lives, made me strangely tender and cruel, violent and peaceful. It made me want to drive coldly to the heart of every question and lay it open to the core of suffering I knew I would find there. It made me love burrowing into psychology, into realistic and naturalistic fiction and art, into those whirlpools of politics that had the power to claim the whole of men's souls. It directed my loyalties to the side of men in rebellion; it made me love talk that sought answers to questions that could help nobody, that could only keep alive in me that enthralling sense of wonder and awe in the face of the drama of human feeling which is hidden by the external drama of life. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
>From: Groove Meister <groovemeister007@...> >To: can_bush@... >Subject: Cease and desist, redux >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:11:19 -0800 (PST) > >Joe: > >Unlike most members of the New Brunswick People's >Campaign, you seem either genuinely uninterested in >winning elections in 2002 or utterly incapable of >developing a strategy to do so. You like your slogans >and your Republican-bashing but have no coherent plan >to displace the mayor and city council incumbents from >office with progressive candidates dedicated to >serving all communities in New Brunswick. The members >of the Campaign, in contrast, have that as their goal. > All you give a damn about is having a forum to spew >your incoherent slogans. > >I am duty-bound to serve the organization and not any >particular faction. I gave you the opportunity to >present evidence that the Steering Committee >consisting of of Xavier, Tom, Julie, Eryn, Curtis, and >Danny was abolished. You presented no credible >evidence. In particular, among other things: (a) Your >statements about the alleged vote(s) were grossly >inconsistent as to time and content; (b) The >information was not timely disclosed, but only >disclosed when you saw an opportunity to claim >political advantage; (c) More recently, you claimed to >have relied on statements made by Zofia "as a >representative of the Steering Committee" at the >September 8 meeting when you knew that she hadn't been >on the Steering Committee since at least July; (d) You >have been asked at least a dozen times to identify who >you recognize as the Steering Committee, and you have >consistently refused. > >Your putsch, your coup, has been put down by the >established leadership of the group. You have failed >in taking over the group. The NBPC is led by the >Steering Committee I have outlined above and not by >you. I would invite you to leave the organization if >you: (a) Do not recognize that Steering Committee as >the leadership or (b) Deny that the principles adopted >at the June 30, 2001 meeting are the principles of the >Campaign. You still have your mural project, BOL, and >SWORD to run, don't you? I mean - do you really have >the time for this? > >I will treat your expletives toward me as a rejection >of our offer to enter into discussions to settle our >disputes. Rather, I will again ask and direct that >you cease and desist from unauthorized use of the New >Brunswick People's Campaign name or from public >misstatements of its leadership or its policies >(including on this egroup). I would invite you to >confess your error to Mr. Reilly and Ms. Waters, >instead of asking me to retract my statements. > >You have been warned. I will not allow you to use >your self-serving nonsense to undermine progressive >work in New Brunswick. Be guided accordingly. > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of >your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com >or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
flavio, regardless yr opinion, there were 17 witnesses at the 8 september meeting who can verify the decision to replace the steering committee and develop the Statement of Purpose as 'Peoples' Democracy' and anti-Republican. who are your witnesses that this did not happen? like it or not, democracy rules the nbpc. cliff >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, nbpcmembers@egroups.com, >amirib@..., keithjoseph99@..., vivaohio@..., >carlosdelorbe@... >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Cease and desist, redux >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:57:24 -0500 > > > > > >From: Groove Meister <groovemeister007@...> > >To: can_bush@... > >Subject: Cease and desist, redux > >Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:11:19 -0800 (PST) > > > >Joe: > > > >Unlike most members of the New Brunswick People's > >Campaign, you seem either genuinely uninterested in > >winning elections in 2002 or utterly incapable of > >developing a strategy to do so. You like your slogans > >and your Republican-bashing but have no coherent plan > >to displace the mayor and city council incumbents from > >office with progressive candidates dedicated to > >serving all communities in New Brunswick. The members > >of the Campaign, in contrast, have that as their goal. > > All you give a damn about is having a forum to spew > >your incoherent slogans. > > > >I am duty-bound to serve the organization and not any > >particular faction. I gave you the opportunity to > >present evidence that the Steering Committee > >consisting of of Xavier, Tom, Julie, Eryn, Curtis, and > >Danny was abolished. You presented no credible > >evidence. In particular, among other things: (a) Your > >statements about the alleged vote(s) were grossly > >inconsistent as to time and content; (b) The > >information was not timely disclosed, but only > >disclosed when you saw an opportunity to claim > >political advantage; (c) More recently, you claimed to > >have relied on statements made by Zofia "as a > >representative of the Steering Committee" at the > >September 8 meeting when you knew that she hadn't been > >on the Steering Committee since at least July; (d) You > >have been asked at least a dozen times to identify who > >you recognize as the Steering Committee, and you have > >consistently refused. > > > >Your putsch, your coup, has been put down by the > >established leadership of the group. You have failed > >in taking over the group. The NBPC is led by the > >Steering Committee I have outlined above and not by > >you. I would invite you to leave the organization if > >you: (a) Do not recognize that Steering Committee as > >the leadership or (b) Deny that the principles adopted > >at the June 30, 2001 meeting are the principles of the > >Campaign. You still have your mural project, BOL, and > >SWORD to run, don't you? I mean - do you really have > >the time for this? > > > >I will treat your expletives toward me as a rejection > >of our offer to enter into discussions to settle our > >disputes. Rather, I will again ask and direct that > >you cease and desist from unauthorized use of the New > >Brunswick People's Campaign name or from public > >misstatements of its leadership or its policies > >(including on this egroup). I would invite you to > >confess your error to Mr. Reilly and Ms. Waters, > >instead of asking me to retract my statements. > > > >You have been warned. I will not allow you to use > >your self-serving nonsense to undermine progressive > >work in New Brunswick. Be guided accordingly. > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > >your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > >or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
in the interests of a principled united front- i will publicly meet with anybody regarding the peoples struggle for democracy. i agree with cliff, no republicans or republican agenda's. what date shall we set flavio, keith, cliff & others interested? degloma called me last month and suggested a meeting and i said ok, that was as far as it went. as for the rest of your incoherant positions flavio - i show up at the nbpc meetings, with all your "duty to the organization", why don't you? how can anyone question identical accounts given by four people about a meeting that they did not attend? -joe From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> Subject: Endgame Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you guys save face ,stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let me know. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Joe: In addition to no Republicans or Republican agendas, I also think there should also be no Maoists or Maoist agendas. I think that each party should clarify in advance of the meeting what their understanding of each is. (E.g. the Republicans want Cahill out, but it's clear we don't intend to exclude that from discussion just because it happens to be a Republican goal). I want to float (on my own behalf alone) the idea of January 26. If there are objections to that date, let me know. With respect to Joe's comments about meetings: yes, I did miss the September 8 meeting because I was in the hospital recovering from surgery. Sorry for that. The events after that date were not legal meetings, as I have previously concluded, so I had no duty to attend them. With respect to evidence about what occurred on September 8: Joe says there are four consistent stories. There are not. I have asked over a dozen times now for the names of the people who were allegedly elected that day. No one has offered any names. So there are certainly not any consistent stories about what occurred there. It just continues to be Joe making up the story as goes along. In a recent posting, he says "17" people attended the meeting. But last week, he listed 9 people (by first name only; many of whom I have never heard of) who attended. Same ol' inconsistencies. Joe evidently disclaims any responsibility to tell the readership of this board what is going at the gatherings he calls. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > in the interests of a principled united front- > i will publicly meet with anybody regarding the peoples struggle for > democracy. i agree with cliff, no republicans or republican agenda's. > > what date shall we set flavio, keith, cliff & others interested? > degloma called me last month and suggested a meeting and i said ok, that was > as far as it went. > > as for the rest of your incoherant positions flavio - i show up at the nbpc > meetings, with all your "duty to the organization", why don't you? > > how can anyone question identical accounts given by four people about a > meeting that they did not attend? -joe > > > From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" > <can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > Subject: Endgame > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > > Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually > agreeable date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering > Committee would agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late > Jan. instead of the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of > arrangement could let you guys save face ,stop the hemorrhage of members > leaving the egroup, and let me turn my attention to more productive things. > If you are interested let me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is calling on all supporters to try to make it to this important protest!! Support the 5 Cuban Political prisoners!! Please read, pass on and attend!! Libertad para todos los presos politicos!! Free all political prisoners!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ________________________________________________ INFO PICKET/PROTEST TO FREE THE 5! MONDAY, DECEMBER 17th @ 12 noon Manhattan Federal Building, 26 Federal Plaza If you can't make it, please call/fax/email President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft and tell them to free the Miami Five! Who are the Miami Five? They are Cuban men who were convicted June 2001 and have been unjustly imprisoned for defending their country of Cuba from terrorists based in Miami. Already two of the five companeros have received life sentences, the others are awaiting sentencing and Monday will begin the fourth sentence hearing. They have spent more than 17 months in solitary confinement. After conviction, they were placed into Security Housing Units in total isolation, where they remain. The five were convicted after a politically-charged trial, in which the U.S. government claimed they were engaging in espionage against U.S. military bases and threatening "national security." As the Five maintained in their defense, they were strictly involved in monitoring the actions of the Miami-based right-wing groups. In fact, they shared information with U.S. officials when dangerous actions were planned by the terrorist groups they infiltrated. Justified Defense of Cuba Against U.S.-based Terrorist Actions For more than 40 years, Cuban right-wing groups based in Miami have engaged in numerous terrorist activities against Cuba. Also against Cuban-Americans and other people who advocate a normalization of relations between the two countries and an end to the blockade. These actions - by groups like Alpha 66, Brigada 2506, Omega 7, Brothers to the Rescue, and Comandos F4- have caused the death and injury of hundreds of individuals. Because neo-fascist, anti-Cuba organizations continue to operate with impunity from within the US. - with the full knowledge and support of the FBI and CIA - the Cuban government made a decision to send Cuban security agents to Florida, to monitor the activities of the terrorists. They infiltrated the terrorist organizations to inform the island of imminent attacks. The aim of such a clandestine operation by the Cuban security � at great risk for the Cuban agents who infiltrated � was to prevent criminal acts that would endanger the Cuban AND US lives. Tell BUSH and ASHCROFT: Free the Miami Five! For Pres. Bush CALL: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 EMAIL: president@... For Attorney Gen. Ashcroft CALL: 202-514-5331, FAX: 202-514-0293, 202-307-2512 SPONSORED BY NEW YORK CITY FREE THE FIVE COMMITTEE: freethefivenyc@..., 212-926-5757 IFCO/Pastors for Peace 402 W 145th Street, New York City, NY 10031 212-926-5757; fax: 212-926-5842; email: ifco@...; web: http://www.ifconews.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign is forwarding out this update in solidarity for the New York Free the Miami Five Committee. ___________________________________________________________ Dear Supporters for the Five Cuban Patriots: > >Following is an update on the first 3 days of the >court hearings to decide the sentences for the >companeros imprisoned in Miami. > >We urgently need your support, and ask that you read >this update and help in any way you can. > >1. Four of the mothers of the five are in Miami, along >with Rene Gonzalez's 16-year-old daughter, and Rene's >brother. They are in the U.S. for two weeks during the >hearings, along with other Cubans from Washington who >are accompanying them. This is costing their >supporters a great deal of money, as they have to stay >in hotels for their security. Also, for food, van >rental, document copying, etc., and the community >supporters in Miami have very little money. PLEASE, >PLEASE SEND AN IMMEDIATE DONATION SO WE CAN HELP THE >MOTHERS SUPPORT THEIR SONS. Please send anything you >can, and we will wire it to them. These funds go >strictly to pay for their stay in the U.S. Make check >to: Free the Five/IAC, 2489 Mission St., Room 24, San >Francisco CA 94110. > >2. PLEASE KEEP CALLING THE WHITE HOUSE AND DEMAND THAT >BUSH FREE THE FIVE CUBANS IN MIAMI. Let Washington >know that they have a lot of support. > >Yesterday, Wednesday, December 12, Gerardo Hernandez, >one of the five Cuban patriots who was railroaded by >the U.S. government on outrageous espionage, murder >conspiracy and other charges, was given two life >sentences today, plus 80 months. > >For the last two days, court sessions were held to >hear arguments from the defense for a reduction of >sentence, and from the government which argued for >increase in sentence. > >The decisions by Judge Joan Lenard found every time >for the U.S. prosecutors on all motions. The whole >process, from arrest to conviction and now the >sentencing hearings -- with the stiffest sentences >likely to be given to all 5 compa�eros -- has turned >reality on its head. > >It is the terrorists in Miami who belong in prison, >not these 5 men, who acted so courageously to defend >their people and took on such a dangerous task in the >"belly of the beast." > >Despite forceful and very convincing arguments for >sentencing reduction by defense attorney Paul McKenna, >who held that a "greater harm was prevented" by the >action that Gerardo took, that Cuba has been >victimized by years of terror attacks by the Miami >groups, that Cuba's response to the Brothers to the >Rescue raids was justified self-defense, despite >Gerardo's history as never committing any crime nor >harming anyone, despite Gerardo's work of STOPPING >terrorism, the judge sided with every outrageous >argument of the federal prosecutors. > >Among other things, Judge Lenard agreed with the >prosecution that his work constituted a "grave danger" >to the national security of the United States. > >In addition to two concurrent (running at same time) >life sentences,Lenard tacked on 80 months more. > >Gerardo gave a heroic address in court before >sentencing. It was very moving and exposed the utter >hypocrisy of the prosecution and government in their >position. All the family members and supporters were >of course very upset but maintained a dignified >posture. We were all very proud of Gerardo. > >Thursday December 13th Ramon Labanino was sentenced to >life. On Friday, December 14th the hearing for Rene >Gonzalez will be held. On Monday, Dec. 17 the hearing >for Fernando Gonzalez will begin. On December 27, the >hearing for Antonio Guerrero will begin. > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
it is not in the interests of nbpc, an independent political organization, to replace a democratic mayor with a republican one. we oppose all opportunist attempts to ride the backs of our activities to create such circumstances. that is why republicans are not allowed in the organization, nor are their agendas. you are wrong flavio: republicans are not interested in wanting cahill out. they want a republican in or cahill stays - not an independent. that is why bright ran for mayor in 98, with no shot at winning, rather than dumping his right wing agenda in order to join/unify the united front. so how is it that you say republicans want cahill out? not if that means an independent should become elected. just as nbpc is not interested in wanting cahill out if that means a republican should be elected. that is why nbpc voted unanimously to work to bury schundler. i am not opposing cahill with a more viscous enemy of the people - which is what the republicans are! it is any republican alliance that violates the nbpc effort for democratic community control. what is bright doing on the housing authority if he supports democracy? bright certainly has nothing to do with public housing, so that can't be it. bright also knows, as we do to, that his appointment to the NBHA stands in violation of federal law which states all housing authorities must have a resident from public housing represented on the board. NBHA does not. what is your thought on this? i think if nbpc had a progressive lawyer this would make a terrific case, too bad though the lawyer that identifies with nbpc organizes closer with bush's peoples than the peoples in public housing. i even proposed it to them that the city council lauch the suit. check this: the republican agenda is more interested in defeating any conscious independent political organization that will unite the people, than it is in defeating cahill! or else how do you explain bright nominating jim luceno to oppose me to chair the elected school board question at the nbpc convention. (which, by the way, is the first criticism that bol had brought to the nbpc at the first steering committee meeting.) luceno has zero experience with the school board campaign, so it can't be that bright agenda was to win, ie. defeat cahill! bright's main agenda was to oppose communists and in doing so he was forced to openly oppose democratic community control. this is when the leadership of the organization should have acted to distance the organization from such right wing forces, but instead it embraced such forces and betrayed the people. going on to advance the republican party agenda while completely dismissing the nbpc agenda of democratic community control. flavio and all, i am interested in your thoughts on this as it does finally address the initial criticism bol had with the campaign & the opportunists that promoted bright to where he is now. the steering committee at that time didn't even read bol's criticism, but i will make it readily available. it is obvious that flavio does not recognize the nbpc general body as the directors of the campaign and therefore i no longer see a need in any debate about sept8 as the general body made decisions and acted on them and will continue to do so. it is too bad that flavio was in the hospital - i look forward to seeing him at the next general meeting january 5 with his new proposal about maoists. -joe get at me with your date. >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Endgame >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:38:10 -0000 > >Joe: > >In addition to no Republicans or Republican agendas, I also think >there should also be no Maoists or Maoist agendas. I think that each >party should clarify in advance of the meeting what their >understanding of each is. (E.g. the Republicans want Cahill out, but >it's clear we don't intend to exclude that from discussion just >because it happens to be a Republican goal). > >I want to float (on my own behalf alone) the idea of January 26. If >there are objections to that date, let me know. > >With respect to Joe's comments about meetings: yes, I did miss the >September 8 meeting because I was in the hospital recovering from >surgery. Sorry for that. The events after that date were not legal >meetings, as I have previously concluded, so I had no duty to attend >them. > >With respect to evidence about what occurred on September 8: Joe says >there are four consistent stories. There are not. I have asked over >a dozen times now for the names of the people who were allegedly >elected that day. No one has offered any names. So there are >certainly not any consistent stories about what occurred there. It >just continues to be Joe making up the story as goes along. In a >recent posting, Cliff says "17" people attended the meeting. But >last week, Joe listed 9 people (by first name only; many of whom I >have never heard of) who attended. Same ol' inconsistencies. Joe >evidently disclaims any responsibility to tell the readership of this >board what is going at the gatherings he calls. > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > in the interests of a principled united front- > > i will publicly meet with anybody regarding the peoples struggle >for > > democracy. i agree with cliff, no republicans or republican >agenda's. > > > > what date shall we set flavio, keith, cliff & others interested? > > degloma called me last month and suggested a meeting and i said ok, >that was > > as far as it went. > > > > as for the rest of your incoherant positions flavio - i show up at >the nbpc > > meetings, with all your "duty to the organization", why don't you? > > > > how can anyone question identical accounts given by four people >about a > > meeting that they did not attend? -joe > > > > > > From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > > To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" > > <can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > Subject: Endgame > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > > > > Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually > > agreeable date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering > > Committee would agree to a date right after the students return, >i.e. late > > Jan. instead of the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of > > arrangement could let you guys save face ,stop the hemorrhage of >members > > leaving the egroup, and let me turn my attention to more productive >things. > > If you are interested let me know. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
im glad you agree w/ peoples' unity against the republican party. 26 jan sounds alright, tho a purpose & agenda shd be proposed. i suggest to develop a minimum level of working unity of all who support majority rule, community control, & peoples' democracy in nb. which is entirely in contradiction to the republican imperial agenda, and entirely consistent w/ communism as developed by mao. since flavio was not at the 8 sept. mtg, & made no effort to inform himself of what transpired, he is in no position to "conclude" that the democratic decisions made there are not "legal", including the replacement of the steering committee, the development of the Statement of Purpose, and the establishment of subsequent mtgs & events. by my recollection of the mtg & of joe's post, there were some 17 people present. flavio, have you any witnesses to corroborate yr "conclusions", or do you concede them to be phantoms of personal desire? >From: "groovemeister007" <flavio.komuves@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Endgame >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:33:44 -0000 > >Joe: > >In addition to no Republicans or Republican agendas, I also think >there should also be no Maoists or Maoist agendas. I think that each >party should clarify in advance of the meeting what their >understanding of each is. (E.g. the Republicans want Cahill out, but >it's clear we don't intend to exclude that from discussion just >because it happens to be a Republican goal). > >I want to float (on my own behalf alone) the idea of January 26. If >there are objections to that date, let me know. > >With respect to Joe's comments about meetings: yes, I did miss the >September 8 meeting because I was in the hospital recovering from >surgery. Sorry for that. The events after that date were not legal >meetings, as I have previously concluded, so I had no duty to attend >them. > >With respect to evidence about what occurred on September 8: Joe says >there are four consistent stories. There are not. I have asked over >a dozen times now for the names of the people who were allegedly >elected that day. No one has offered any names. So there are >certainly not any consistent stories about what occurred there. It >just continues to be Joe making up the story as goes along. In a >recent posting, he says "17" people attended the meeting. But last >week, he listed 9 people (by first name only; many of whom I have >never heard of) who attended. Same ol' inconsistencies. Joe >evidently disclaims any responsibility to tell the readership of this >board what is going at the gatherings he calls. > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > > > > in the interests of a principled united front- > > i will publicly meet with anybody regarding the peoples struggle >for > > democracy. i agree with cliff, no republicans or republican >agenda's. > > > > what date shall we set flavio, keith, cliff & others interested? > > degloma called me last month and suggested a meeting and i said ok, >that was > > as far as it went. > > > > as for the rest of your incoherant positions flavio - i show up at >the nbpc > > meetings, with all your "duty to the organization", why don't you? > > > > how can anyone question identical accounts given by four people >about a > > meeting that they did not attend? -joe > > > > > > From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > > To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" > > <can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > > Subject: Endgame > > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > > > > Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually > > agreeable date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering > > Committee would agree to a date right after the students return, >i.e. late > > Jan. instead of the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of > > arrangement could let you guys save face ,stop the hemorrhage of >members > > leaving the egroup, and let me turn my attention to more productive >things. > > If you are interested let me know. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
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unanimously adopted by nbpc, 8 sept, 2001 next mtg, 5 jan, noon, nbpublic library >From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com, >njfo@egroups.com >Subject: [nbpcmembers] proposal >Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:02:45 +0000 > >proposal to nbpeoplescampaign. >to be voted sat., 8/25 > > >the objective of the nbpeoplescampaign is peoples' democracy and political >power. > >this objective is expressed in the community's slogans: "put people >first!", >"community control!", & "unite, organize, seize power!" > >as allies the nbpc has the democratic forces of the peoples. > >as enemies the nbpc has the representatives of monopoly >capital/imperialism. > >the nbpc will make strategic alliances w/all democratic forces & tactical >alliances w/all democratic tendencies. > >the strategy of the peoples campaign is principally to challenge in >winnable >elections for peoples' representation. &to pin the democratic party on the >republican party in those elections in which we cannot yet win. > >immediately, this means to support ras baraka for nwk council, may '02. to >smash schundler! keep mcgreasy in the fire! in nov. '01. then to take nb >elected school board, mayor & 2council seats in nov. 02. also to develop >in >hp &elsewhere. > >all alliances w/ republican representatives &positions by nbpc leadership >were/are anti-democratic deviations at the peoples' expense. one cannot >simultaneously uphold the republican party platform & peoples' democracy. >the nbpc must establish itself on an uncompromising democratic basis w/ >uncompromising democratic leadership. > >all nbpc officers who fail to fully criticize &correct these backward >schemes &methods must be immediately replaced. nominations shd be taken >immediately for steering committee &campaign chair, to be voted in sept. >mtg. > >cliff smith >student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy >8/20 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
>it is not in the interests of nbpc, an independent political organization, >to replace a democratic mayor with a republican one. That goal should be decided in an open forum where everyone is welcome - except those that openly use words of hate, racism, etc., as Joe, Cliff and others did in May 2000: that is why they were expelled - for being openly bigoted/hateful/racist. >we oppose all opportunist attempts to ride the backs of our activities to create such >circumstances. "We" in the above response should be "I". The NBPC is currently in the final death throes. The people have spoken by not showing up to these NBPC meetings ( 17 persons out of a town of 48,000 after two years of organizing.) This talk about the Smiths being against opportunism is a lie. This is in direct contradiction to all the moves Joe/Cliff have done on a personal and political basis. Their active work with myself years ago, their support for McGreevey this year was very opportunistic and it has not done a thing for the people of NJ. They have created no support this year but rather have lost tremendous support amoungst the community. >that is why republicans are not allowed in the organization, >nor are their agendas. The Smiths are directly showing their hatred in no uncertain terms, here. >you are wrong flavio: republicans are not interested in wanting cahill out. they want a >republican in or cahill stays - not an independent. As Republican Chairman, I can state the NBRP by-laws state explicitly that we want an independent Mayor and city council. Short of not finding a coalition to make that happen, the NBRP would then run candidates. Mr. Smith has lied knowingly on this point. How else am I involved in so many things as a Republican? >that is why bright ran for mayor in 98, with no shot at winning, rather than dumping his right >wing agenda in order to join/unify the united front. so how is it that you say republicans >want cahill out? not if that means an independent should become elected. That year noone was politically active. I attempted to make a coalition but Shapiro and Neal were not people I was able to convince. As such, I, with the support of a significant part of New Brunswick, made a respectable showing along with the respect I/we have earned over the past few years. >just as nbpc is not interested in wanting cahill out if that means a republican should be >elected. that is why nbpc voted unanimously to work to >bury schundler. i am not opposing cahill with a more viscous enemy of the >people - which is what the republicans are! The NBPC did not work unaninmously to "Bury Schundler". Many nominal NBPC members supported Schundler but never came to NBPC meetings because they did not wish to waste their time. Besides their votes do not mean anything in the NBPC as it is not a democratic body. If anyone goes to a future or past meeting, that becomes very self-evident. >it is any republican alliance that violates the nbpc effort for democratic >community control. The Smiths were working with me for years and apologized for not endorsing me when I ran for Mayor in '98. What has changed? >what is bright doing on the housing authority if he supports democracy? >bright certainly has nothing to do with public housing, so that can't be it. Please go to www.thnt.com and type my name. There are all the issues and my position on them. The SMiths lie again. >bright also knows, as we do to, that his appointment to the NBHA stands in >violation of federal law which states all housing authorities must have a >resident from public housing represented on the board. My appointment is very legal, as Flavio has told you, CIty Attorney Hamilton has told you and I have told you, amoungst others. The mayor is in violation of the law as he did not appoint a resident but rather appoint Bea Harris. >NBHA does not. Because of MY efforts and the support of the PEOPLE of New Brunswick and the help of the STATE OF NEW JERSEY, New Brunswick has a public housing resident on the NBHA board. That Commissioner is George Berry and he supports my being on the NBHA board. He said that right in front of you. >what is your thought on this? i think if nbpc had a progressive lawyer this would >make a terrific case, too bad though the lawyer that identifies with nbpc >organizes closer with bush's peoples than the peoples in public housing. i >even proposed it to them that the city council lauch the suit. Please file a lawsuit on this against me. I can then countersue and then the fun begins. The City Council has stated on record there is nothing illegal with my appointment and they wish me, not very convincingly, "Good Luck." >check this: the republican agenda is more interested in defeating any conscious >independent political organization that will unite the people, than it is in >defeating cahill! or else how do you explain bright nominating jim luceno to >oppose me to chair the elected school board question at the nbpc convention. I oppose you as a leader because you have destroyed all groups you get involved with. You stated that the BOE question was not about the question but about build a communist party. That is not what a coalition is about. >(which, by the way, is the first criticism that bol had brought to the nbpc >at the first steering committee meeting.) luceno has zero experience with >the school board campaign, so it can't be that bright agenda was to win, ie. >defeat cahill! bright's main agenda was to oppose communists and in doing so >he was forced to openly oppose democratic community control. this is when >the leadership of the organization should have acted to distance the >organization from such right wing forces, but instead it embraced such >forces and betrayed the people. going on to advance the republican party >agenda while completely dismissing the nbpc agenda of democratic community >control. You attacked me by attacking African Americans in a letter that used almost all the derogatory terms that I know for African Americans. That is why you were expelled from the NBPC. When you were asked to explain yourself. You were shaking and silent. You gave no response to your behavior as you were embarrassed to tears. You ran out of the Steering Committee meeting where all this occurred in a very cowardly manner. This same cowardly manner was evident when you failed in pressing charges against Kevin Jones. >flavio and all, i am interested in your thoughts on this as it does finally >address the initial criticism bol had with the campaign & the opportunists >that promoted bright to where he is now. the steering committee at that time >didn't even read bol's criticism, but i will make it readily available. The Steering Committee did read the criticism. As we had the beginnings of a dynamic group, that was later sabotaged by NJFO/RED Coalition, you should have wriote it in spanish for Danny and Diego to understand more clearly. >it is obvious that flavio does not recognize the nbpc general body as the >directors of the campaign and therefore i no longer see a need in any debate >about sept8 as the general body made decisions and acted on them and will >continue to do so. it is too bad that flavio was in the hospital - i look >forward to seeing him at the next general meeting january 5 with his new >proposal about maoists. -joe Flavio, as always, is not a good liar and gets caught quickly. The NBPC can be run by the Smiths with all the recognition the NBPC deserves. The NBPC is basically dead as it is irrelevant to the concerns of the PEOPLE. Currently there exists a loose organization, separate from the NBPC, with the backing of a growing segment of the PEOPLE of New Brunswick. If anyone on this e-groups wishes to fight for direct democracy please contact me. >get at me with your date. Best, Frank Bright (732) 249-7201
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Peoples� Campaign 2002
unite the many, defeat the few!
Public Meeting:
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keith, fix nbpeoplescampaign egroups so that republicans cannot participate at any level. specifically ford&bright&curtis are to be immediately removed/disabled... -joe >From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...> >Flavio, >I attended the meeting on Sept. 8. Zofia came as a rep of the steering >committee and explained that the Steering Committee dissolved itself and >had no interest in the campaign. At that meeting we voted to recall that >steering commitee and we elected a new one. This is fully in accordance >with the both the letter and spirit of by-laws of the People's Campign; >which hold that the General Meetings are the supreme body and hold supreme >decesion making power, and that the steering committee is subordinated to >that body. The main duties of the Steering Committee lie in the interim >period between general meetings. The People's Campaign internal structure >is radically democratic. > All of the evidence you raised as to why you find this unbelievable >is really not as impartial as you have presented it. Joe and Co. have been >acting in the name of the Campaign since this meeting which would give >credibilty to this story while at the same time the people that you believe >to be on the Steering Committee have not spoken once in the name of the >Campaign. How would you explain this? >Actually don't asnwer, I don't really care. No offense but this debate is >leaning far over the edge of absurdity and I don't want to be the one to >push it over. The Campaign is being destroyed by people who to put it >mildly lack the social graces of kindergardeners (which is not to deny that >their method is connected to their political line but to point to the most >obvious maifestation of that line. Just today Joe Smith said in a letter to >asking me to help him "you are an ass".) on the one hand and on the other >by people who would rather run than struggle (that is how I read their >refusal to show up at the Sept 8 meeting: gutless). > However this deabate is pointless, if everyone can agree on a date >for the next general meeting everything can be decided there. Elections, >tactics, strategy etc. The truth will come out in the couirse of practice. >Whoever has been doing the most effective organizing should have no problem >winning votes at the next meeting. > >Keith > > > > > > > >From: "groovemeister007" <Groovemeister007@...> > >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [nbpcmembers] Re: Response to F. Komuves, NBPC General Council > >Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 18:38:12 -0000 > > > >Matt, > > > >the reason I responded privately to you is that I consider the debate > >over. Joe's coup has failed. My conclusions stand; if Joe wants to > >go to court to try and overturn these determinations, he is certainly > >free to do so. > > > >I want you to consider this: Joe's claim is that a number of votes > >happened on September 8, i.e. replacement of the Steering Commitee, > >explusion of Republicans, etc. Have you asked yourself - or him - > >why he waited until November 12 to tell me these facts, waited until > >November 30 to tell the press of these facts, and waited until > >December 1 to tell the newsgroup of these facts? Have you asked > >yourself - or him - why, despite no less than six requests, he still > >refuses to disclose who he recognizes as the Steering Committee? > >Have you asked yourself - or him - why he can't get the dates or > >votes straight on any of these things? You've seen the evidence. > > > >My job as General Counsel is to represent the entity, not any > >individuals, and not any factions. I did not prejudge Joe's > >assertions. I looked at the evidence and found his story not > >credible. I have to look at actual evidence. Evidence that is > >consistent is something I credit. Evidence that is inconsistent is > >something I do not credit. That's why I didn't and don't buy his > >version of events. I asked him for credible evidence; he provided > >none. When he hit me, out of the blue, on November 12 with > >statements like the SC is abolished, membership from Republicans is > >not being accepted (which he lated changed to say existing Republican > >members are expelled), I asked for proof. It's awful hard to believe > >someone whose stories keep changing. But still, I gave him every > >opportunity to present some credible explanation - he didn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpcmembers@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote: > > > Flavio- This is an interesting loop of logic you've gotten yourself > >caught > > > up in, but in all your legalistic web you fail to get to the heart > >of the > > > matter--that is, the NBPC ceased being an effective oragnization of > >the > > > people the moment it was consumed by liberal,sectarian formalism at > >the > > > expense of it's original mission as a united front for peoples' > >democracy > > > (revolutionary democracy)... some examples of which being the > >expulsion of > > > SWORD & permittance of republicanism- there are others... btw, re- > >expelling > > > SWORD will not bring you any closer to the people of the city!! > > > > > > & seriously, it is a bit odd that you keep responding to me > >personally when > > > I raise questions on a public(members) list....I'm still wondering > >what the > > > real intentions of the RED Collective members of the old Steering > >Committee > > > are regarding the NBPC. & if they lay claim--which is better than > >abandoning > > > the project--then why their absence over the months? I only ask you > >because > > > you volunteered to be their spokesperson......Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Komuves, Flavio" <> > > > To: "Vivaohio@hotmail. com (E-mail)" <vivaohio@h...> > > > Subject: Response to email > > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:23:29 -0500 > > > > > > Matt, > > > > > > I issued the orders. I have the authority to issue these orders by > >virtue > > > of (a) the general authority I possess as the General Counsel to > >the entity > > > to protect it against coups and unauthorized uses and dilution of > >its name > > > and (b) the specific authorization to issue these orders granted to > >me by > > > the Legal Committee of the Steering Committee. > > > > > > I cannot comment about when the full Steering Committee intends to > >next > > > issue a statement to its members. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In nbpcmembers@y <mailto:nbpcmembers@y> ..., "Matthew Smith" < > > > vivaohio@h <mailto:vivaohio@h> ...> wrote: > > > > Flavio- Point of Clarification: who is issuing said orders? You > >have > > > stated > > > > to me in a personal (?) memorandum that the original SC members > >are in > > > fact > > > > still in place. When will the membership (?) hear from them, > >and learn > > > > their intentions from them, rather than through a > >spokesperson? -Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above email is for intended recipient only and may be confidential > >and > > > protected by attorney/client privilege. > > > If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender > >immediately. > > > Unauthorized use or distribution is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
From: <dlj@...> Reply-To: <dlj@...> To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Done. >-----Original Message----- >From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 AM >Cc: dlj@... >Subject: remove republicans! i propose that republicans should not be posting at onepeoplesproject & njfo. specifically tracyford & frankbright. i will contact keith about nbpeoplescampaign. -joe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urges everyone to read the Associated Press article at this link. The recent overturn of the death sentence conviction is an amazing victory for the supporters of Mumia. Please read and forward far and wide. The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ________________________________________________________ http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2001/12/18/local_news/18MUMIA.htm _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
New Brunswick Peoples� Campaign 2002 unite the many, defeat the few! Contact Cliff Smith 732.214.8828 18 December, 01 for immediate release The New Brunswick Peoples� Campaign announces a campaign to protect tenants� rights against unscrupulous landlords in the city. The Tenants� Rights Campaign has marked an immediate victory in Middlesex County Special Claims Court today, when immigrant residents, Ronaldo Barrantes and Georgina Solano, were awarded a $1500 judgement in illegally charged rent from their landlady, Paula Samuelson (732.828.8577). Samuelson, a notorious slumlord, has for years overcharged her primarily immigrant tenants above the legal rent as she has it registered with the New Brunswick Rent Leveling Board. At their 39 Throop Ave. apartment, Ronaldo and Georgina were arbitrarily charged above the legally registered rent, as were the rest of the tenants in the building. The NBPC will be back in court Friday to sue for $2000 in illegally overcharged rent for Cliff Smith, also at 39 Throop Ave., and intend to file suit on behalf of the other 3 apartments at the address. �Samuelson is a racist slumlord who we are going to shine a light on,� said Smith. �Just as we stand with honest landlords against the corrupt city administration, we also defend tenants against dishonest landlords. Everybody�s got to live.� Smith invites any tenant complaints against dishonest landlords, or landlord complaints against arbitrary city actions, to contact the New Brunswick Peoples� Campaign at 732.214.8828, or to attend the next public NBPC meeting, noon, Saturday, 5 January, at the New Brunswick Public Library. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
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Daryle, say it ain't so. The irony is just too grand. "One Peoples Project", sans Republicans. Are they not people as well? What group is next to be excluded from the so-called "One People"? And on the whim of these would-be authoritarian 'leftists'? I thought you were more principled than that. Chris From: <dlj@...> Reply-To: <dlj@...> To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Done. >-----Original Message----- >From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 AM >Cc: dlj@... >Subject: remove republicans! i propose that republicans should not be posting at onepeoplesproject & njfo. specifically tracyford & frankbright. i will contact keith about nbpeoplescampaign. -joe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Flavio, My sympathies are with you. But there is an old adage that applies here, has applied from the dawn of this campaign, and will remain salient until its final wretched throes. "Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Among the best actions of the campaign was the expulsion of this gang of half-witted thugs. Now, they'll drive it into the ground, like Lenin and Mao did to their respective revolutions (and the egalitarian dreams and aspirations of their respective peoples), but without an iota of the ill-fated glory and panache those famous misadventurers managed to glean for themselves. Chris -----Original Message----- From: groovemeister007 [mailto:flavio.komuves@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:29 AM To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] Re: Endgame Joe, Thanks for your message. I knew I could count on you to sit down and broker a settlement to this conflict like an adult. Also, thanks for replying publicly so everyone can see your level of maturity in dealing with this issue. --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote: > go fuck yourself > > > >From: "Flavio Komuves" <flavio.komuves@a...> > >To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>, "joseph smith" > ><can_bush@h...>, "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> > >Subject: Endgame > >Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 00:24:59 -0500 > > > >Keith has made the suggestion of having a meeting on a mutually agreeable > >date so as to stop this squabbling. I think the Steering Committee would > >agree to a date right after the students return, i.e. late Jan. instead of > >the January 5 date you've selected. That kind of arrangement could let you > >guys save face , stop the hemorrhage of members leaving the egroup, and let > >me turn my attention to more productive things. If you are interested let > >me know. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
republicans are the enemy of the people. you do recognize that there is an enemy, no? peoples' democratic dictatorship, cliff ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chris Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:44:10 -0500 Daryle, say it ain't so. The irony is just too grand. "One Peoples Project", sans Republicans. Are they not people as well? What group is next to be excluded from the so-called "One People"? And on the whim of these would-be authoritarian 'leftists'? I thought you were more principled than that. Chris From: <dlj@...> Reply-To: <dlj@...> To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Done. >-----Original Message----- >From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 AM >Cc: dlj@... >Subject: remove republicans! i propose that republicans should not be posting at onepeoplesproject & njfo. specifically tracyford & frankbright. i will contact keith about nbpeoplescampaign. -joe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ unite the many, defeat the few! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
I recognize that YOU have enemies, and I'm not surprised. You'll have to be more concise, and define "people" for me in such a way that it is apparent that "Republicans" are excluded from that group. Since Republicans and Republican-leaning voters constitute 37% of the electorate, it occurs to me that to exclude 37% of the population from the term "The People", and, indeed, demonize them as "the enemy", is nothing short of absurd. But perhaps you can convince me otherwise. I encourage you to try. Chris -----Original Message----- From: cliff smith [mailto:cliffsmith69@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:53 PM To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! republicans are the enemy of the people. you do recognize that there is an enemy, no? peoples' democratic dictatorship, cliff ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chris Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:44:10 -0500 Daryle, say it ain't so. The irony is just too grand. "One Peoples Project", sans Republicans. Are they not people as well? What group is next to be excluded from the so-called "One People"? And on the whim of these would-be authoritarian 'leftists'? I thought you were more principled than that. Chris From: <dlj@...> Reply-To: <dlj@...> To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Done. >-----Original Message----- >From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 AM >Cc: dlj@... >Subject: remove republicans! i propose that republicans should not be posting at onepeoplesproject & njfo. specifically tracyford & frankbright. i will contact keith about nbpeoplescampaign. -joe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ unite the many, defeat the few! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
allow me to try to "bring you down to my level"... 1st, 37% of the "electorate" is perhaps 15% of the actual national populace, "the peoples", so we are closer to the "enemy", which i, like everyone in class society, most definitely have. (& this discussion also does not address the world population, which wd put a "republican vote %" into a thimble.) of these republican votes, a small minority are active party members, that is, agents of the republican party, the enemy. we do not necessarily oppose someone who voted republican, they may correct that mistake. we oppose members of the party. why is the republican party the primary political enemy? because it is the legal, open political organization of the imperial monopoly-capitalist ruling class. (who themselves are 6/10ths of 1% of the world population.) the class which owns & controls the resources and wealth of the world, at the expense of the vast majority of the people, who are the ones that produce that wealth with their labor. as marx sd, capital is accumulated labor, expropriated from the productive masses. to the relevant point of the nbpc, the question is to replace the local democratic machine, with what? as we organize the overthrow, the vultures circle. only a 'peoples' democratic workers' party', representing the interests of the masses of oppressed peoples, can move us forward. peoples' campaign 2002 unite the many, defeat the few! cliff ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chris Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:02:27 -0500 I recognize that YOU have enemies, and I'm not surprised. You'll have to be more concise, and define "people" for me in such a way that it is apparent that "Republicans" are excluded from that group. Since Republicans and Republican-leaning voters constitute 37% of the electorate, it occurs to me that to exclude 37% of the population from the term "The People", and, indeed, demonize them as "the enemy", is nothing short of absurd. But perhaps you can convince me otherwise. I encourage you to try. Chris -----Original Message----- From: cliff smith [mailto:cliffsmith69@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:53 PM To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! republicans are the enemy of the people. you do recognize that there is an enemy, no? peoples' democratic dictatorship, cliff ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Chris Kozlowski" <razer@...> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:44:10 -0500 Daryle, say it ain't so. The irony is just too grand. "One Peoples Project", sans Republicans. Are they not people as well? What group is next to be excluded from the so-called "One People"? And on the whim of these would-be authoritarian 'leftists'? I thought you were more principled than that. Chris From: <dlj@...> Reply-To: <dlj@...> To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> Subject: RE: remove republicans! Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:42 -0500 Done. >-----Original Message----- >From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 AM >Cc: dlj@... >Subject: remove republicans! i propose that republicans should not be posting at onepeoplesproject & njfo. specifically tracyford & frankbright. i will contact keith about nbpeoplescampaign. -joe _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ unite the many, defeat the few! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ unite the many, defeat the few! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
very intelligent... i think most republicans are rather frightened by such bold commentary Joe Kaminski On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, joseph smith wrote: > > BEAT BACK BUSH!!! > this message brought to you by the New Brunswick Peoples Campaign 2002- > > http://wire.ap.org/APnews/?SITE=JRCPORT&FRONTID=HOME > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > RUGreens-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >
what is the republican party to you koz? what about my proposal gives it the "whim of these would-be authoritarian leftists"? we that organize to win have interests in annihilating the speech that supports & builds fascism? if these interests that i maintain have any authority, it is because these interests are supported by the people! the board of education question needs 750 validated petition signatures from registered voters for 2002. can you(rs) accomplish any effort towards this? you've already lifted a finger in dec. nbpc is rollin. >From: "Chris Kozlowski" <razer@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Fwd: RE: remove republicans! >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:44:10 -0500 > >Daryle, say it ain't so. The irony is just too grand. "One Peoples >Project", sans Republicans. Are they not people as well? What group is >next to be excluded from the so-called "One People"? And on the whim of >these would-be authoritarian 'leftists'? I thought you were more >principled than that. > >Chris > > > >From: <dlj@...> >Reply-To: <dlj@...> >To: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...> >Subject: RE: remove republicans! >Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:20:42 -0500 > >Done. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: joseph smith [mailto:can_bush@...] > >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:26 AM > >Cc: dlj@... > >Subject: remove republicans! > >i propose that republicans should not be posting at onepeoplesproject & >njfo. specifically tracyford & frankbright. i will contact keith about >nbpeoplescampaign. -joe > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >To Post a message, send it to: nbpeoplescampaign@... > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: >nbpeoplescampaign-unsubscribe@... > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
In Solidarity with our brothers Sundiata Acoli (African-American Political Prisoner) and Alvaro Luna Hernandez (Chicano Political Prisoner), The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign sends these updates out in hopes that folks will take sime time during the holiday season to send out letters in support of Acoli's removal from SHU and to send a support letter asking for Alvaro Luna Hernandez's legal material be sent to him for his hearing. FREE SUNDIATA ACOLI AND ALVARO LUNA HERNANDEZ!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The proLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ________________________________________ ACTION ALERT! PLEASE SUPPORT! =========================== From: "shiriki unganisha" <shiriki@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:37 AM Hotep, Greetings, wanted to let everyone know that i received a card from Sundiata dated December 9, 2001, when i went to the post office box today 12-17-01. Just to share his sense of humor, he said "i hope you haven't started glowing in the dark from that beryllium, then again that could make things real interesting:-}." Sundiata said he is doing alright, except he is still locked up. He is asking for everyone to write Ashcroft, that he is not worried about an investigation, however, he is concerned that they could try to set him up/scapegoat him. So everybody lets get in gear and push this year out right, we got to have Sundiata out of SHU before his 65th B-Day on 1-14-02. Love & Struggle, Sista Shiriki John Ashcroft, Atty. General 950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW Washington,D.C. PH:202-514-5331 Fax:202-353-1555 Kathleen Hawk Sawyer Director Federal Bureau of Prisons 320 First St. NW Washington,D.C. 20534 PH:202-307-6300 Fax:202-514-6878 Sundiata Acoli (s/n squire 39794-066) USP Allenwood P.O. Box 3000 White Deer,PA 17887 www.afrikan.net/sundiata ___________________________________________________ Companera/os, Ernesto in Houston here, dropping a line about Chicano Mexicano political prisoner Alvaro Luna Hernandez (recognized by Jericho and other organizations for his struggles for freedom) and the campaign to free Alvaro. Alvaro reports he's doing well and sends his regards for your holidays. Since his transfer to Hughes, Alvaro reports he is doing better; he is in general population (minimum custody compared to what he was dealing with at Beto) and is not facing half the nonsense he dealt with before. He's now closer to Sam in Waco and his mom and sister in Fort Worth, so he expects more visits. He is hoping to get hooked up with a job in the law library as a clerk. Great news. Those who know Alvaro are probably smiling about this idea! Alvaro is a very street-schooled guy when it comes to the intricacies of law. Alvaro is still very much in need to his legal materials, so if you have not sent a letter to his old warden and the accounting office, please do it today by requesting all materials left over from his transfer from Beto be sent to Hughes immediately. Alvaro has a court date on his federal writ coming up and he desperately needs those materials. Letters should go to: R. E. Thompson Senior Warden P.O. Box 128 Tennessee Colony, Texas 75861-0128 AND Compliance Office Access to Courts P.O. Box 99 Huntsville, TX 77342 If you want to send him lit, go for it. I am thrilled to report I've managed to send in three packets of his campaign flyers without a problem (they were returned every time from Beto), so the place seems less of a lockdown situation. His new address is: Alvaro Luna Hernandez #255735 Hughes Unit Rt. 2, Box 4400 Gatesville, TX 76597 He'd love to hear from everyone. Two issues I wish to solicit you all-- Alvaro Jr. (Alvaro's 5 1/2 year old son) currently lives with his maternal grandmother and Alvaro says the boy is doing well. He started public school recently and seems happy and great, under the circumstances (he was only an infant when Alvaro went to prison). However, Alvaro Jr. faces an uphill battle, not the least of which is his family struggling to get by. Something I approached Alvaro about, and of which he felt very enthusiastic, was possibly gathering some support to send Alvaro Jr. a small amount from supporters (monthly or bimonthly) to help with the incidentals a five year old goes through (food, etc.). The statistics for youth who follow their parents to prison in Texas is shocking (6 in 10 kids), and it's important those of means can help our brother's familia if We can. It's not a replacement for his father, but if Alvaro Jr. isn't going without food or the things all kids need, he's less likely to face difficulties down the line. Get back to me if you're interested. Another issue I have noticed is coming up in our work around Alvaro's case is a lack of regular information flow to the larger movement in a more organized way. A lot of campaigns face this situation, I've noticed. Usually it's because so much of the effort is geared around court dates and what have you. I accept some criticism on this issue. How can we keep a regular communication going with supporters Alvaro has touched base with and others involved in the struggle? One thing I had considered was a monthly 'newsletter' style update (maybe a back and front page) on latest in his case, Alvaro, Alvaro Jr., ways people could support/are supporting Alvaro's freedom, etc. Is there any interest in this? Please share your thoughts. Thank you! Ernesto Aguilar for the Alvaro Luna Hernandez National Freedom Coalition For a bio on Alvaro, check out: www.freealvaro.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
DEAR FRIENDS, I, TRACY FORD, IS PUBLIC ENEMY NO. #1 OF THE PEOPLE, ACCORDING TO JOE AND CLIFF SMITH. I HAS RESIDE IN MIDDLESEX COUNTY FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE. A TECHNICIAN AT ROBERT WOOD JOHNSON HOSPITAL. I AM ALSO A MINISTER OF THE MOUNT CALVARY MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH IN NEW BRUNSWICK. MY WIFE VIDA AND HAVE FOUR, JOSHUA, SHADRACH, MESHACH, AND ABEDNEGO. I AM DEDICATED TO MAKING NEW BRUNSWICK, MIDDLESEX COUNTY, NEW JERSEY A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, AND RAISE A FAMILY. I AM THE PERSON WHO WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND HAS THE ENERGY, VISION, AND EXPERIENCE TO DO IT. I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign wants folks to make sure to read and forward out this very good article on the Patriot Act and COINTELPRO. In these hostile times, it is important we maintain ourselves on point with information about government repression and our civil liberties. The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ____________________________________________________ The Ghost of COINTELPRO Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet December 14, 2001 Attorney General John Ashcroft has made a public pitch to dump the guidelines put in place in the 1970s that ban FBI spying on domestic organizations. Ashcroft says the guidelines are obsolete and hinder the hunt for domestic terrorists. Eliminating them would give the FBI carte blanche authority to surveil, and plant agents in churches, mosques and of course, political groups. It would also permit FBI agents to interrogate individuals. They could do all this without having to show probable cause of criminal wronging. The FBI would again have unbridled power to determine what groups and individuals it could target. Ashcroft is banking that most Americans and public officials have a short or no memory of the colossal havoc the super-secret, and blatantly illegal counter-intelligence COINTELPRO program wreaked on the lives of thousands of innocent Americans during the 1950s and 1960s. The mandate of the program, spelled out in one of the piles of secret documents released by Senate investigators in 1976, was to "disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and neutralize" groups and individuals the FBI considered politically objectionable. Those targeted were not foreign spies, terrorists, or suspected of criminal acts. The FBI patterned COINTELPRO on the methods used by its Counter-intelligence Division and Internal Security Sections during the 1940s and 1950s. The aim then was to nail spies, saboteurs, and individuals and groups that advocated overthrowing the government. The arsenal of dirty tactics included non-court authorized wiretaps, undercover plants, agent provocateurs, poison pen letters, black bag jobs, and the compiling of secret dossiers. Local FBI offices were given wide discretion to pick its targets and the tactics they could use. In those years, the FBI's favored targets were the Communist Party and the Socialist Workers Party. But this changed in the mid-1960s. Driven by a grotesque mix of personal racism and paranoia, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover kicked the program into even higher gear. His goal was to demolish the Black Muslims, Black Panthers, civil rights organizations and their leaders, especially Martin Luther King. The FBI assembled a small army of more than 7,500 "ghetto informants" (known) and hundreds of FBI agents in a deadly national campaign to harass and intimidate thousands of African-Americans. The FBI listed the individuals targeted under categories variously called, "Rabble Rouser Index," "Agitator Index," and the "Security Index." The results were immediate and devastating. Thousands were expelled from schools, lost jobs, evicted from their homes, and offices, and publicly slandered. Few of these individuals were indicted, convicted or even accused of any crimes. FBI documents released in 1976 revealed that the agency devoted less than 20 percent of its spy activities to organized crime, solving bank robberies, murders, rapes and interstate theft. By contrast, more than half of its spy targets were political groups. In 1967, the FBI dredged up yet another ominous tactic it its secret war: preventative detention. FBI officials in the Philadelphia office boasted that they had jailed members of the Black Nationalist group, RAM, on any charge they could think of. RAM members were held for months with no charges filed, and with no hint that any would be. Hoover was thrilled at the illegal detention tactic and ordered all 41 FBI field offices to copy it. Three decades later it has carbon copied this tactic to round up and detain more than 1,000 persons in its search for accomplices in the September 11 terror massacre. Most of the detainees, as was the case with the RAM members, have not been charged with any crimes. A study by the Justice Department found that nearly 70 percent of the detainees were released with no charges filed. Not one of those currently in custody is charged with conspiracy in the September 11 terror massacre. The Justice Department has given no indication that any indictments are forthcoming for terrorist activities. With the death of Hoover in 1974 and congressional disclosure of the illegal program, the Justice Department publicly assured that COINTELPRO was a thing of the hideous past and that it had implemented ironclad control over FBI activities. The obituary was premature. During the 1980s the FBI waged a five-year covert war against CISPES, and 215 religious and pacifist groups and leaders that opposed American foreign policy in Central America. In the 1990s it mounted covert campaigns against Silo Plowshares, an anti-nuclear weapons group, Earth First, the American Indian Movement, and Arab-American groups during the 1991 Gulf War. The FBI tactics were reruns of those the Justice Department swore were dead and buried. Ashcroft hasn't yet decided whether he'll scrap the guidelines. If he does, he solemnly promises that the FBI will not trample on the rights and liberties of religious and political groups. That's a promise the thousands whose lives were ruined by COINTELPRO will find hard to believe. Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and columnist. Visit his news and opinion Web site: www.thehutchinsonreport.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
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We are accused by 'Unity & Struggle' representative Keith Joseph of being
members of the Democratic Party, because of our opposition to the
Republicans Party. (to Joe Smith, "the most militant member of the
democratic party" --Keith Joseph, 12/21/01)
The posture is that we "sold out" the people, but does this accusation come
from the point of view of the people, or of the Republican Party?
(1st we reference: "First it is absolutely necessary that Revolutionaries
and all Anti-Imperialists, Radicals, and Progressive people UNITE in an all
peoples' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch mob
underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces in
Government, Politics, Wall Street, Media, Academia, Institutions,
Organizations!" Amiri Baraka, 'Unity & Struggle', April 2000.)
In Democratic New Brunswick, 2000, Keith Joseph fought the local Democrats
by running for city council as a registered Republican, attended local
Republican Party meetings, voted Frank Bright to chair the local GOP,
elected Bright to the steering committee of his council campaign. Bright
has since been appointed by the NJ State Department of Community Affairs to
the NB Housing Authority.
We opposed alliance with Republicans, and were expelled from Keith Joseph's
council campaign, May, 2000.
'Unity & Struggle' representative Keith Joseph, as registered Republican,
took no open position on the 2000 Bush/Gore election. The paper, 'Unity &
Struggle' was kept out of production the duration of the election, from
April, 2000 until May, 2001, after we had finally directly contacted Amiri
to press for production. (& we have again not seen it since September, at no
great help to Ras' council campaign, not to mention the ignored recent NJ
gubenatorial election, or developing fascist US "Patriot" moves. Meanwhile
we are banned from the paper as it represents a "definite trend".)
In 1998, we were obstructed from participating in Ras' council campaign, or
any 'Unity & Struggle' activity, by Keith Joseph.
In the 1996 Clinton/Dole election, 'Unity & Struggle' representative Keith
Joseph promoted the Republican support line: "Revolutionaries Boycott!".
Amiri's line "Attack Clinton/Defeat Dole!" was kept out of 'Unity &
Struggle' publication until after the election.
We opposed "Boycott!" and were expelled by Keith Joseph from the 'Unity &
Struggle' New Brunswick study circle, Central Jersey Communist Union, and
the New Jersey Freedom Organization, May-August, 1996.
Every organization we have participated in with Keith Joseph, he has
endorsed Republican positions, and expelled us for our opposition. This,
therefore, must mean we are "militant Democrats", (in order to disqualify
us).
Except that we have "militantly" opposed the Democratic Party in New
Brunswick in every election since 1990, when we arrived. While Keith Joseph
has neglected electoral politics as "drudgery", until his own campaign as a
Republican.
Joe Smith, for fighting the Democrats in 2000 local election (while we also
maintained "Smoke Bush!", which brought the Secret Service to our homes), is
currently serving 1 year probation, 10 days jail (suspended), 30 days
community service, and $500 fines for his efforts.
'Unity & Struggle' did not cover the trial.
Perhaps someone can bring to Keith Joseph's attention that Ras Baraka's
campaign meets every Saturday 9:30am at 808 so. 10th st. to do work.
'Take it Personal.' We welcome all "militant Democrats".
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Story Source: The Rutgers Daily Targum
12/04/01
University College sophomore Joe Smith finally had his
day in court yesterday. Smith, a leading force behind the Campaign for an
Elected Board of Education � which tried unsuccessfully last year to get
city residents to approve a referendum to elect members to the board of
education � charged Mayor Jim Cahill's aide Kevin Jones with assault last
year, after Jones allegedly punched Smith in the face during an Election Day
altercation at a polling site in November of 2000.
William Pfeifer, chief maintenance engineer at the
city Water Utility, also charged Joe Smith with assault, criminal mischief
and littering...while Pfeifer and his colleague, Tom Rudolph, posted signs
advertising the Democratic Party slate � which opposed the school board
referendum � in the area around Commercial Avenue.
Judge Edward Herman dismissed Cliff Smith's verbal
assault charge after New Brunswick High School Principal Pierre Embrey, who
filed the charge, did not attend trial yesterday. The charge arose in
relation to Cliff Smith's distribution of campaign literature outside the
school in September of 2000.
Yesterday's trial was fraught with anxiety as
prosecutors attempted to negotiate with the Smith brothers in order to reach
settlements and steer clear of going to trial, but the Smiths maintained
their innocence and refused any deal. Attorneys on both sides deliberated in
the hours leading up to the appearance before Herman, but did not reach any
agreement by the time of the hearing.
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...>
To: can_bush@..., Amirib@..., cliffsmith69@...,
Lknesta@...
CC: jmodibo@..., vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: remove republicans!
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:57:23 +0000
the most militant member of the democratic party
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>To: Amirib@..., cliffsmith69@..., Lknesta@...
>CC: jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@...
>Subject: Re: remove republicans!
>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:18:08 -0500
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>and they are not welcome either.
>they can support us from without if they choose, not from within.
>
>you see, nbpc represents a trend that will no longer allow for the
>republican party to become stronger through our work. no thanks to previous
>performances by U&S. -joe
>
>
>>From: Amirib@...
>>To: can_bush@...
>>CC: jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@...,
>> Lknesta@hotmail
>>Subject: Re: remove republicans!
>>Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:11:05 EST
>>
>>There's worser "'publicans" dan dem...in case u hasn't hoid!
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unite the many, defeat the few!
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The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign asks that folks take time out to come to this meeting and get updated on the current situtation with Mumia Abu Jamal's case. Please attend and support!! FREE MUMIA!! The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 _________________________________________________________________ THIS WEDNESDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 26, 7:00 pm at the Martin Luther King Jr. Labor Center, 310 W. 43rd ST. Pam Africa of International Concerned Family and Friends of Mumia Abu-Jamal will speak at a meeting sponsored by the New York Free Mumia Abu-Jamal Coalition: Come to hear her assessment of the decision last week by Federal District Court Judge William Yohn, vacating Mumia Abu-Jamal's original death sentencebut leaving his conviction for first degree murder standing. There will be ample time for questions and discussion. The courts have finally been forced, for the first time in the twenty year history of Mumia's case, to make some concession to the truth: *Everything* about Mumia's trial was unfair. It was a frame-up from start to finish. Judge Yohn has now acknowledged this about the sentencing phase, which is an important crack in the previously monolithic face of the legal and political establishment. His decision is clearly a result of the world-wide movement of support for Mumia, in particular the campaign over the past year to put forward the case for his innocence based on the Arnold Beverly confession and all the other facts which have now been revealed. But there is still an uphill battle ahead to win Mumia's release from prison. Life without parole is not an acceptable alternative. Below find the text of a message sent out last week, describing Yohn's decision and its legal implications, and announcing the meeting on Wednesday evening. Join us there to discuss what all this means and help chart the next steps in our campaign to FREE MUMIA! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
1996 starring samuel l jackson and geena davis at blockbuster "budget cuts, dear. congress blindsided us overseas. i had to turn to any eyes and ears i cd find even if it meant turning to the quote unquote badguys here." "budget cuts? is that what this is about? yr running a fundraiser?" "1993. world trade center bombing, remember? at the trial one of the bombers claimed the cia had advance knowledge. hell the diplomat who issued the terrorists visas was cia. its not unthinkable we paved the way for the bombing purely to get a budget increase." "yr gonna fake some terrorist thing just to scare some money out of congress?" "well, unfortunately, mr hennessy (samuel l jackson's character), i have no idea how to fake killing 4000 people. we're just gonna have to do it for real. blame it on the moslems, naturally. then i get my funding." unite the many, defeat the few! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL US? 1.]GOV'T LOW DOWN 2.] IT'S TIME TO REFINANCE 3.]GOD BLESS AMERICA LOOKING AHEAD, THINGS SEEM ROSIER [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by can_bush@.... message forwarded by New Brunswick Peoples Campaign. can_bush@... /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Share the spirit with a gift from Starbucks. Our coffee brewers & espresso machines at special holiday prices. http://www.starbucks.com/shop/subcategory.asp?category_name=Sale/Clearance&ci=274&cookie_test=1 \----------------------------------------------------------/ Consequences for the United States in Argentina's Collapse December 25, 2001 By LARRY ROHTER Argentina's financial collapse is also a blow to the United States and the International Monetary Fund. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/25/international/americas/25ARGE.html?ex=1010301254&ei=1&en=5b7dd7976bf78216 HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact Alyson Racer at alyson@... or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@.... Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company
Spend a night with one of our great living revolutionary poets & help Newark's Son Rise... "Taking it Personal" Ras Baraka for Newark City Council 2002 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Amirib@... To: jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... Subject: (no subject) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:45:45 EST NO KIMAKO'S 29 DEC. THURS JAN 3, 9:30PMCOMMITTEE TO ELECT RAS BARAKA PRESENTS A RECEPTION FOR SONIA SANCHEZ 808 S.10TH NEWARK, NJ 973 242-1346 AMIRI B _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
spend saturdays with our great living community of newark & help register it to vote... 808 south 10 st. "Taking it Personal" Ras Baraka for Newark City Council 2002 __________________________________________________________________ how's keith gunna be down, didn't ras speak on a panel w/payne? revolutionaries seek unity w/militant democrats, whereas u&s' position allies w/the (b)right. >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, poprogress@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [nbpc] Invite: Sonia Sanchez Reception for Ras 2000 >Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:00:42 > >Spend a night with one of our great living revolutionary poets & help >Newark's Son Rise... > >"Taking it Personal" Ras Baraka for Newark City Council 2002 > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Amirib@... >To: jmodibo@..., vivaohio@..., keithjoseph99@... >Subject: (no subject) >Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 21:45:45 EST > > >NO KIMAKO'S 29 DEC. THURS JAN 3, 9:30PMCOMMITTEE TO ELECT RAS BARAKA >PRESENTS A RECEPTION FOR SONIA SANCHEZ 808 S.10TH NEWARK, NJ >973 242-1346 AMIRI B > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
>[Unable to display image] >NOT ONE DAY OF JAIL FOR PEDRO COLON ALMENAS!! >NO MORE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! >FREE ALL THE PUERTO RICAN POLITICAL PRISONERS!! > >The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign urgently asks all our supporters and >allies to please forward this message out to as many sources and lists as >you can. Pedro Colon Almenas, a young activist targeted by the colonial >Puerto Rican government, will face sentencing on Tuesday January 22nd, 2002 >in Puerto Rico for a crime he did not commit by a pro-Navy ex-JAG lawyer >Judge Hector Lafitte; who has made it his practice of dishing out >unconstitutional and outrageous sentences for people who have engaged in >civil disobedience in Vieques. Officially he is being charged with >aggravated assault against a Military Official and could face up to 31/2 >years in prison. > >His trial (A COMPLETE TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE), his charges, and sentencing are >all a result of the ongoing repression of anti-Navy, pro-independence and >socialist activists in Puerto Rico. This young man is going to be >imprisoned unjustly and severely for no reason except that is a student >leader, socialist (member of the Union de Juventud Socialista and the >Movimiento Socialista de los Trabajadores) and anti-colonial activist. >Much like the current 6 Puerto Rican Political Prisoners in U.S. Jails, >Pedro Colon Almenas is being railroaded by a racist and imperialist legal >system that exists to maintain Puerto Rico's colonial status. > >Again, his trial and the charges brought up against him were fabricated and >unfounded. Please make sure to visit http://www.bandera.org/pedro/ to >learn more about Pedro's case (all in spanish, ProLibertad will be >translating and forwarding information on his case from the website). > >Please be on the lookout for more information on Pedro Colon Almenas and >any actions in New York City and Puerto Rico on his behalf. > >The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign has sent this email message out in >solidarity with the Comite de Apoyo de Pedro ( an organization in Puerto >Rico that is working on Pedro's behalf). > >The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign >ProLibertad@... >www.ProLibertad.org >Bronx 718-601-4751 >Manhattan 212-927-9065 >New Jersey 201-435-3244 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
The ProLibertad Freedom Campaign, in solidarity with the struggle to remove the U.S. Navy out of Vieques, is forwarding this message about the current Vieques Political Prisoners so that people write to them and the institutions they are in demanding their freedom. Now more than ever, solidarity is needed!! FREE ALL POLITICAL PRISONERS!! The proLibertad Freedom Campaign ProLibertad@... www.ProLibertad.org Bronx 718-601-4751 Manhattan 212-927-9065 New Jersey 201-435-3244 ____________________________________ VIEQUES POLITICAL PRISONERS!! Sen. Norma Burgos 21551-069 Cacimar Zen�n Encarnaci�n 19532-069 Pedro Zen�n Encarnaci�n 19532-069 MDC Guaynabo PO BOX 2147 San Juan, PR 00922-2147 ______________________________________________________________________ AND REMEMBER OUR PRISONER OF CONSCIENCE HERE IN NEW YORK; PLEASE WRITE THE MMC AND DEMAND HE BE RETURNED TO PUERTO RICO!! Alberto "Tito Kayak" de Jes�s Mercado 19580-069 Gregory Park, Warden Metropolitan Correctional Center - Manhattan 150 Park Row New York, NY 10007 ____________________________________________________________________ ****QUICK UPDATE ON MORE VIEQUS POLITICAL PRISONERS***** Brothers, Angel Manuel and H�ctor Ventura, Viequense fishermen, were sentenced by federal judge Dominguez, to three days in the federal prison in Guaynabo, beginning the 8th of January. They were arrested while fishing in waters the Navy claims as �theirs�, but that everyone here recognizes as part of Vieques. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
COMMITTEE TO ELECT RAS BARAKA
808 S.10TH ST. NEWARK,NJ 07108
"TAKE IT PERSONAL" -RAS BARAKA
973 242-1346 Fax 242-1509 E-mail rasjuabaraka@...
Dec 29, 2001
DEAR FOLKS INTERESTED IN DEMOCRACY &CHANGE,
Ras Baraka is running for Councilman-at Large, in the Newark municipal
elections, May 14, 2002.
Ras is 32 years old. He was graduated from Howard University with a BA
in Political Science. In May 2001 , Ras received his Masters degree in
Education, at St Peter's University, Jersey City, NJ. After teaching 8th
grade at Warren St. Elementary School in Newark for ten years, since
leaving Howard and returning home, he was recently appointed Vice Principal
of Burnett St. School, in Newark.
Ras is one of those young people who listened to the most advanced voices
in the civil rights movement, as he was growing up, who said , "go to
school, get an education, then come back home and help the people" -
Ras did just that he went to Howard and come back to run within his first
year out for mayor. In 1998 Ras Baraka won the General Election for
Councilman- at Large, but in the "Run-0ff" election, which the ACLU and
other commentators on the Voting Rights Act of 65 said should be illegal
because such "Run-Offs" allow back ward forces to gang up on black or grass
roots candidates. So, in some weird "reversal", Ras lost by a few hundred
votes to a candidate he beat in the general election , who somehow moved
past him.
The critical issue of the coming campaign is the STRUGGLE FOR DEMOCRACY,
including the restoration of Citizens' Right To Speak at City Council
Meetings, which the present City Council has BANNED! This democratic
struggle must include the fight to see that all children receive a thorough
and efficient EDUCATION, a campaign to STOP KILLER COPS AND CREATE A
DEMOCRATIC ELECTED POLICE CONTROL BOARD so that the police are controlled by
the people not the reverse.
> There is also the question of the city's DEVELOPMENT, I.E., HOW MUCH
>COOPERATION AND CITIZEN INPUT WILL NEWARK'S CITIZENS GAIN IN THE BUILDING
>THE CITY'S SO CALLED RENAISSANCE. Ras speaks for the a peoples Newark not a
>privatized or corporately controlled city.
The campaign will be grueling and costly, and to compete with the
soft money and other means of control the wealthy and big corporations
impose on all elections, we have to raise, minimally, S75,000
So we are asking people to support their own development. Ras is running
again, not as an exercise in altruism or ego, but so that the people might
begin to lay their hands on the resources of this city, which are supposed
to be theirs. Campaign expenses will be roughly $50,000. But whatever you
give will be deeply appreciated and utilized to the fullest extent to run a
Campaign for People's Democracy!
GENERAL EXPENSES FROM JAN 02 TILL ELECTION DAY & GOTV:
Literature $5000
Phones 3500
H.q. Rental 4000
Transpo 2500
Office 5000
Adv (Media) 5000
Total $25,000
ELECTION DAY -GET OUT THE VOTE (GOTV) $25,000
Poll Workers (132 sites 2 ea. @ $75) $19, 800
Breakfast/Lunch 264 poll workers 2,000
Communications 5 Cell Phones 500
Rental Passenger Van Voter Pick ups 200
5 U-Haul Rental Pick ups 500
500 Baraka T-shirts 2,500
Another way we are using to raise campaign dollars is the celebrity
auction you see enclosed in this letter. You can bid on these items through
email RasjuaBaraka@...
"TAKE IT PERSONAL!"
Amina &
Amiri Baraka
Make Checks Payable to "Committee To Elect Ras Baraka"
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DEAR JOE SMITH, WHICH COURSE FOR THE GLOBAL CAPITALIST ECONOMY?: DEEPENING RECESSION, THEN "RECOVERY"- OR DEPRESSION? THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
DEAR JOE SMITH, THERE IS LITTLE DOUBT THAT THE GLOBAL CAPITALIST ECONOMY IS IN RECESSION, WITH THE TWO BIGGEST ECONOMIES, THOSE OF THE UNITED STATES AND JAPAN,ADMITTEDLY IN RECESSION NATURALLY, THIS MEANS INCREASED HARDSHIPS FOR THE INTERNATIONAL WORKING CLASS WITH :INCREASING PLANT CLOSURES AND TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT UNEMPLOYMENT; DECLINING REAL WAGES THROUGH REDUCED WORKING HOURS OR DOWNSIZED INTO LOWER WAGE JOBS; ESCALATING HOMELESSNESS AND HUNGER;ETC.WHILE THE CURRENT WORLDWIDE RECESSION IS HIGHLY LIKELY TO GET WORSE,THE BIG QUESTION FOR THE INTER,L WORKING CLASS IS : WHAT TO DO IN THE FACE OF THIS DETERIORATING ECONOMIC SITUATION AND STANDARD OF LIVING?; AND, WHETHER THERE WILL BE A RECOVERY, EVEN A SO CALLED,"RECOVERY", OR WHETHER THE INEVITABLE,"GREATEST",WORLD-WIDE CAPITALIST DEPRESSION WILL FOLLOW SHORTLY? TO THE FIRST PART OF THIS BIG QUESTION,WE STRONGLY ADVOCATE CLASS EDUCATION, AGITATION, ORGANIZATION AND STRUGGLE! THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
DEAR JOE SMITH, BOURGEOIS ECONOMISTS ADMIT THAT RECESSIONS ARE A' NATURAL' PART OF CAPITALIST ECONOMIC LIFE [AND SO WE WORKERS HAVE TO 'LEARN' TO ACCEPT AND LIVE WITH TEMPORARY, ASSOCIATED UNPLEASANTRIES OF THESE HARD TIMES,WHICH WE, UNFORTUNATELY,CHIEFLY DO].BUT THESE SAME ECONOMISTS WILL RARELY EVER ADMIT THAT CAPITALIST DEPRESSION ARE ALSO A 'NATURAL' PART OF UNDER THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM AND THUS INEVITABLE. HOWEVER,OVER 200 HUNDRED YEAR OF CAPITALISM PROVES THAT CAPITALIST DEPRESSIONS GENERALLY OCCUR EVERY 20 TO 50 YEARS ACCORDINGLY, CAPITALISM IS OVERDUE FOR ANOTHER DEPRESSION! WE ARGUE THAT IT WILL BE THE "GREATEST''-ECLIPSING IN SCOPE AND DEPTH THE HORRENDOUS UNEMPLOYMENT ,POVERTY, HUNGER, STARVATION, ETC. OF THE LAST "GREAT" DEPRESSION OF THE 1930"-BECAUSE CAPITALISM IS NOW A GLOBAL SYSTEM WITH A ENORMOUS "OVER-PRODUCTION" OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION AND UNPAYABLE GOVERNMENT, BUSINESS AND PERSONAL DEBT. THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
DEAR JOE SMITH, YET,THE BOURGEOIS ECONOMISTS ARE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT CAPITALISM MUST "EXPAND OR DIE (GO OUT OF BUSINESS INDIVIDUALLY, AND GO INTO RECESSION OR DEPRESSION IN SOCIETY).THE FUNDAMENTAL BASIS FOR THE EXTREME "OVER-PRODUCTION" OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION IS ROOTED NOT ONLY IN THE GENERAL ANARCHY OF THE CAPITALIST MODE OF PRODUCTION (WITH EVERY CAPITALIST SEEKING TO EXPAND RATHER THAN DIE), WHERE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION ARE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF THE CAPITALIST: BUT ALSO IN FACT THAT THE CAPITALIST MUST PAY US WORKERS IN WAGES OR SALARIES LESS THAN THE VALUE OF WHAT WE PRODUCE IN TERMS OF GOODS AND SERVICES (MARX"S TERMS FOR THIS IS EXPLOITATION-WAGE SLAVERY), WHICH IS THE SOURCE OF PROFITS FOR THE CAPITALIST CLASS (AND ANOTHER CAPITALIST ECONOMIC NECESSITY TO EXPAND).THUS,THE INTERNATIONAL WORKING CLASS DOESN'T HAVE THE NECESSARY MONEY TO BUY BACK FROM THE INTERNATIONAL CAPITALIST CLASS ALL THE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT WE WORKER OURSELVES PRODUCED. CAPITALISM IS ABLE TO TEMPORARILY MITIGATE THESE ESSENTIAL CONTRADICTIONS THROUGH EXPANSION AND CREDIT, WHICH HAVE REACHED THEIR LIMIT AT PRESENT : THUS, AT LEAST,THE CURRENT, GLOBAL CAPITALIST RECESSION. THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
DEAR JOE SMITH, THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD IN THE UNITED STATES HAS REPEATEDLY REDUCED INTEREST RATES-AND MAY CONTINUE TO DO SO-IN A FUTILE ATTEMPT TO "STIMULATE " CAPITALIST INVESTMENT IN EXPANDING THE MEAN OF PRODUCTION THROUGH IMPLEMENTING NEW TECHNOLOGY AND BUILDING NEW PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY.THIS IS BOUND TO FAIL:IN JAPAN , THE INTEREST RATE HAS BEEN REDUCES TO ZERO AND THIS HAS FAILED TO "STIMULATE" THEIR CAPITALIST ECONOMY,WHICH IS ACTUALLY TURNING DEFLATIONARY WITH ALL THE PREDATORY IMPLICATIONS FOR WORKER THERE.LIKEWISE, PLANNED TAX CUTS BY THE US GOVERNMENT OF BIG BUSINESS FOR CORPORATION WILL FAIL TO "STIMULATE" THE US ECONOMY FOR THE SAME REASON OF "EXCESS" PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY GLOBALLY , ALTHOUGH IT WILL HELP PROP UP PROFITS O A CERTAIN EXTENT AND THE OBSCENE SALARIES OF CEO. THERE IS APPARENTLY NOTHING THAT THE CAPITALIST MANAGERS OF THE ECONOMY CAN DO TO PULL THE GLOBAL CAPITALIST ECONOMY OUT OF RECESSION . WHETHER THIS WORLD-WIDE CAPITALIST RECESSION WILL EVENTUALLY RUN ITS COURSE AND MAKE A SO CALLED"RECOVERY'-OR WHETHER IT WILL SINK INTO THE INEVITABLE,"GREATEST" CAPITALIST DEPRESSION SHORTLY-REMAIN TO BE SEEN. IT COULD GO EITHER WAY. THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
DEAR JOE SMITH, THE ANSWER OF THE INTER'I CAPITALIST CLASS TO CAPITALIST DEPRESSION GLOBALLY IS TO (MURDEROUS FASCISM,WHERE NECESSARY AND ) IMPERIALIST WORLD WAR , WITH ITS MASSIVE: MUTUAL SLAUGHTER OF WORKER FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES; AND DESTRUCTION OF THE EXCESSIVE MEANS OF PRODUCTION . ALREADY , THE US GOV HAS LAUNCHED A GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM, INCREASING CURTAILMENT OF CIVIL LIBERTIES AT HOME , SHOWING MORE OF IT IRON FIST UNDER THE VELVET GLOVE OF CAPITALIST DEMOCRACY .THE ANSWER OF THE INTER"L WORKING CLASS NEEDS TO BE THE RADICAL INCREASING IN OUR CLASS CONSCIOUSNESS AND FIGHTING ORGANIZATIONAL CAPABILITY-TO CARRYING OUT THE INTER'I PROGRESSIVE REVOLUTION WHEN THE REVOLUTIONARY SITUATION IS RIPE! THANK YOU, TRACY FORD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
tracy, i applaud yr most observant and articulate posts. we, the multi-national working class must unite w/ all democratic forces against the international monopoly capitalists, e.g. j&j. that is, who owns the "unpayable govt, business, and personal debt" which enslaves us? that imperial ruling class, of which the bUSh Republican Party is the legal political agent. we must build a national Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party, mobilizing around winnable, local struggles such as the mayor, council, and board of education in nb. we must mercilessly expose those who wd steer the peoples' uprising into the hands of the enemy. when these agents talk of "direct democracy", we ask who won the presidential election? the nb peoples' campaign meets noon saturday, 5 jan. we wd like to see you there, free of yr republican party crown. cliff 732.214.8828 >From: TRACYFORD1420@... (TRACY FORD) >DEAR JOE SMITH, > >BOURGEOIS ECONOMISTS ADMIT THAT RECESSIONS ARE A' NATURAL' >PART OF CAPITALIST ECONOMIC LIFE [AND SO WE WORKERS HAVE TO >'LEARN' TO ACCEPT AND LIVE WITH > TEMPORARY, ASSOCIATED UNPLEASANTRIES OF THESE HARD TIMES,WHICH WE, >UNFORTUNATELY,CHIEFLY DO].BUT THESE SAME ECONOMISTS WILL RARELY EVER >ADMIT THAT CAPITALIST DEPRESSION ARE ALSO A 'NATURAL' PART OF UNDER THE >CAPITALIST SYSTEM AND THUS INEVITABLE. HOWEVER,OVER 200 HUNDRED YEAR OF >CAPITALISM PROVES THAT CAPITALIST DEPRESSIONS GENERALLY OCCUR EVERY 20 >TO 50 YEARS ACCORDINGLY, CAPITALISM IS OVERDUE FOR ANOTHER DEPRESSION! >WE ARGUE THAT IT WILL BE THE "GREATEST''-ECLIPSING IN SCOPE AND DEPTH >THE HORRENDOUS UNEMPLOYMENT ,POVERTY, HUNGER, STARVATION, ETC. OF THE >LAST "GREAT" DEPRESSION OF THE 1930"-BECAUSE CAPITALISM IS NOW A GLOBAL >SYSTEM WITH A ENORMOUS "OVER-PRODUCTION" OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION AND >UNPAYABLE GOVERNMENT, BUSINESS AND PERSONAL DEBT. > >THANK YOU, >TRACY FORD > ><< Message3.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
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