The Real Thing: Democracy as a Contact Sport
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

A few weeks ago, we received an invitation to attend an event at the Library
of Congress.

Coca-Cola was about to make an "historic contribution" to the Library of
Congress, and the Library, and Coca-Cola, were inviting reporters to cover
the event. We accepted the invitation.

We learned from the morning papers that the "historic contribution" was a
complete set of 20,000 television commercials pushing Coca-Cola into the
American digestive system.

Remember the one where the kid hands Pittsburgh Steeler Mean Joe Greene his
bottle of Coke, and in return, Mean Joe tosses the kid his football jersey?
Or what about on a hilltop in Italy where the folks start sing "I'd like to
buy the world a Coke and keep it company"?

The event was at the Great Hall of the Thomas Jefferson Building -- named
after the Thomas Jefferson who, in 1816, wrote: "I hope we shall crush in
its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to
challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the
laws our country."

Anyway, we pull up at the appointed hour (7:15 p.m. on November 29, 2000) at
the Thomas Jefferson building, and there's a traffic jam created by stretch
limousines blocking the entrance.

In addition to lowly reporters, the 400 or so guests included ambassadors,
members of Congress, corporate chieftains and other dignitaries. Good thing
we dressed up.

The Main Hall is this absolutely stunning room, with marble staircases. A
string quartet is playing. Waiters are serving Coke in classic bottles. The
food is fabulous -- lamb chops, trout, Peking duck. We rub shoulders with
the Ambassador from Burma.

The "aristocracy of our monied corporations," as Jefferson put it, had taken
over the place, and Coca-Cola wanted to make sure that everybody knew it.

After all, Coke could have just donated the ads to the Library and left it
at that. But this wasn't about Coke's largesse. It was about public
relations -- whether the public would view the company as a racist company
(Coke had just agreed to pay $192.5 million to settle allegations that it
routinely discriminated against black employees in pay, promotions and
performance evaluations) or a junk food pusher (consuming large quantities
of sugared Coca-Cola has led to ours being one of the most overweight
generations in history) -- or instead, a generous contributor to the Library
of Congress.

James Billington, the Librarian of Congress, was called on to deliver good
things to Coke, and he did. He turned over the keys of the Main Hall to
Coke, and Coke decked the place out with its logo, stitched in red beside
the logo of the Library of Congress. Television sets were placed throughout
the hall, the better for the Ambassadors and members of the Democratic
Leadership Council to check out the commercials.

Billington was selling the soul of the library to one of the world's most
powerful corporations. In addition to the ads, Coke was establishing a
fellowship at the Library for the study of "culture and communication" --
one fellow will receive $20,000 a year for the next five years.

Gary Ruskin, director of Commercial Alert, was outside the event,
protesting. "It is not the proper role of the taxpayer-financed Library of
Congress to help promote junk food like Coca-Cola to a nation that is
suffering skyrocketing levels of obesity," Ruskin said. "It is crass
commercialism for James Billington to degrade Jefferson's library and
founding ideals into a huckster's backdrop."

But without shame, Billington introduced Doug Daft, the president of
Coca-Cola, who said that "Coca-Cola has become an integral part of people's
lives by helping to tell these stories." Nothing about profits. Nothing
about overweight kids. Nothing about racism.

After Daft spoke, the room went dark, and the ads ran on the television
screens. Nostalgia swept the room. When the ads were finished, the lights
went back on and the crowd cheered.

About 80 high school students, dressed in Coca-Cola red sweaters, filled the
marble staircases and sang -- "I want to buy the world a Coke." Again, the
crowd cheered. Doug Daft, standing downstairs, came back to the microphone
to continue his statement. We were upstairs at this point, and we looked
down at him and asked, in a loud voice -- "Why are you using a public
library to promote a junk food product?"

The room went quiet. Library of Congress police charged up the marble
staircase. Doug Daft put his hand to his ear and shouted back to us: "What
did you say?"

In a louder voice, we shouted back: "Why are you using a public institution
to promote a junk food product?"

The next thing we know, we are on the ground. The Library of Congress police
had tackled us. Again, the crowd cheered -- not for our question, but for
the tackle.

We were dragged downstairs, past the Ambassador from Burma, and hauled
outside, where police officers from the District of Columbia were waiting
for us.

Out of the Thomas Jefferson building came running a man from Coke. "This is
a private event," the man from Coke told the police. "I'm from Coca-Cola."

At first, the police wanted nothing to do with the man from Coke. But the
man from Coke insisted. They huddled.

Apparently, the man from Coke didn't want us arrested for asking an obvious
question. Apparently, the man from Coke didn't want a public trial. The man
from Coke was standing up for our First Amendment rights to ask his boss a
question.

The police said we were to leave the grounds. And we weren't to come back.
Ever.

Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime
Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based
Multinational Monitor. They are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt
for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage
Press, 1999).

Jim,

These are good points to bring up.

So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at
all?  That's an interesting point that I was unaware of.  I was
probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more
about than the Nazi ascension to power.  

I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values
of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture.  The actual historical
situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case?

Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the
socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement.  I only touched
on some ideological differences.  What specifically was the labor
movement's relationship to the Nazis?

Jim


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jagross@e... wrote:
> 
> I restrained myself from quoting the whole message.  Let me just 
> respond to one point that I think is important ... 
> 
> 
> > make no mistake: while the fascist leader pays such lip service to
> > these classes, he is *actually* supported, the entire time, by the
> > most powerful industrialists.  The gran bourgeoisie, not the
petite
> > bourgeoisie, are the ones who abandon liberal democracy and bring
in
> > a Strongman to restore law and order against the proletariat. 
(For
> > more on this aspect of fascism, see Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire of 
> Louis
> > Bonaparte, or Barrington Moore, Social Origins of Dictatorship and
> > Democracy).
> 
> Okay, the problem here is differentiating between 1) The
relationship 
> between capitalism and fascism at the time of the _creation_ of a 
> dictatorship ... versus 2) The relationship between capitalism and 
> fascism after the dictatorship has been fully established.  In other 
> words, do _capitalists_ intend a dictatorship (1) or do they (2) 
> merely adapt opportunistically to the dictatorship once it is 
> established?  
> 
> Historically, capitalism adapted comfortably and happily to
Fascism.  
> But fascism was never intended by the 'big bourgeoisie'.  Especially 
> in Germany.  I'll briefly list the following articles of proof with 
> respect to the Nazis:
> 
> 1)  The power to appoint the Chancellor (in 1933) stood with a tiny 
> clique of isolated individuals surrounding the aging President 
> Hindenberg.  These included a few trusted old military figures and 
> Hindenberg's son.  Hitler's ascension to power was indeed determined 
> by very contingent political factors, by human choices.  A military 
> dictatorship was all but fated; a Nazi dictatorship was not.  The 
> last Chancellor before Hitler, Kurt von Schleicher, could have
rather 
> easily lead a military coup, and there might have never been a Nazi 
> dictatorship.  In fact, he seriously considered doing so.    
> 
> 2)  The 'big bourgeoisie' mostly opposed the Nazis, at worst 
> supporting the more authoritarian of the basically liberal (if not 
> fully democratic) parties.  THIS is an important point:  there may 
> have been an element of elitism on the part of many industrialists.  
> But this elitism, paradoxically, looked down upon the Antisemitism
of 
> the Fascists as vulgar, ugly and stupid.  It may have even been 
> viewed as a phenomenon of 'mob rule'.  
> 
> 3)  Many of the industrialists were at the head of industries that 
> benefitted from free trade policies.  The Nazis were shrill in their 
> condemnation of 'free trade'.  
> 
> 4)  Exceedingly detailed research has been done on how the Nazi
party 
> was funded.  All records point to a mass-based funding model much 
> like the Communists and Social Democrats, with greater reliance on 
> money collected from party rallies (which were much more spectacular 
> than those of the SPD or CP).  Industrialists contributed almost 
> nothing; when they contributed at all, it was very late in the game, 
> and only as a kind of desperate bribe.  Only one steel magnate, a
man 
> by the name of Fritz Thyssen, openly supported and contributed to
the 
> Nazis.  In 1934, he recanted and fled the country.  
> 
> There is only one argument that would seem at all logical.  It's a 
> bit roundabout.  
> 
> Industrialists during the Weimar period did _not_ contribute to the 
> Nazis, generally, nor support them.  They _did_, however, contribute 
> to the liberal parties, the left-liberal DDP and the right-liberal 
> DVP, in particular.  In the late 20's, they began to cut back their 
> funding, because they found that they were entirely unable to 
> influence the nation's economic policy through their support of, and 
> contributions to, these parties.  This helped lead to the collapse
of 
> the centrist parties, and thereby the parties that frequently
aligned 
> with the SPD to neutralize the Nazis. It also led to the effective 
> collapse of parliamentary rule.  But this hardly amounts to saying 
> that the bourgeoisie wanted fascism.  
> 
> Otherwise, yes, the bourgeoisie adapted to Fascism just fine.  But 
> Fascism is primarily political; it means the primacy of politics
over 
> economics, not the other way around.  
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Jeremy

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jmluceno@e... wrote:
> Jim,

Ummmm ... ?! Well, nonetheless:

> These are good points to bring up.

If this is clogging up peoples' mailboxes, this can of course be 
taken over to the NJFO list.  But this is an interesting topic, 
considering especially that some people believe Fascism = Capitalism 
= Imperialism.  Which has truths to it, but also severe distortions 
that make coming up with an effective (useful) analysis of American 
politics, international economics, etc, sort of difficult.  
But it is only relevant in the most indirect sense.

> So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at
> all?  That's an interesting point that I was unaware of.  I was
> probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more
> about than the Nazi ascension to power.  

I was only referring to the rise of the Nazi Party and the seizure of 
power during 1933-5.  Fascist rule in Germany _after_ the Nazis 'won' 
is quite different:  there's plenty of reason to believe that 
capitalists profited greatly.  The point is that they didn't _want_ 
the Nazis to gain power; but they adjusted just fine afterwards. 

At least, this is what I gathered from a couple of books by the 
historian Henry A. Turner, _Hitler's 30 Days to Power_ and _Hitler 
and German Big Business_.  Turner's actually sort of conservative, 
but he presents some very overwhelming evidence.  I don't he can be 
dismissed as an apologist, let me put it that way. 

My understanding is that Marx's thesis is applicable when you start 
looking at questions of _how_ Hitler maintained support from the 
population once power had be attained.  It may be a useful tool of 
analysis because, if nothing else, the bourgeoisie was weak in German 
much as it had been in France in 1848.  

> I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values
> of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture.  The actual historical
> situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case?

That accords with what I understand to be true.  They especially 
appealed to lingering Feudal values, from what I know, the Junker 
class and a certain stratum of the peasantry that identified with 
them.  And, of course, they had the support of many small 
manufacturers who were losing out to the big manufacturers who often 
supported free trade policies.  But these manufacturers aren't what 
you could call the vanguard of capitalism, and they often subscribed 
to a feudal, agrarian 'ideological superstructure'.

> Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between 
the
> socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement.  I only 
touched
> on some ideological differences.  What specifically was the labor
> movement's relationship to the Nazis?

I never really studied that.  The interesting question would be, I 
guess, to what extent did the Nazis ally with the SPD and Communists 
on policy issues.  It's important to note that the Nazis had a 'left' 
and 'right' wing, as bizarre as that sounds, and even had a kind of 
labor union (a 'factory cell' structure, I think in the Trotskyist 
style).  Obviously, the relevant point is that the Socialists and 
Communists were crushed, and the labor movement destroyed in the 
earliest years of the Nazi dictatorship.  Labor leaders were amongst 
the very first people to be sent to the camps, as far as I know.

New Brunswick cops jailed for brothel 

01/03/01

BY JIM O'NEILL
STAR-LEDGER STAFF

















Despite pleas for leniency and vows of innocence, two New Brunswick police 
officers were sentenced to prison yesterday for running a brothel. They were 
also banned from ever working as cops again. 


"I stand before you as an innocent man," Sgt. Marco Chinchilla, 41, told the 
judge before being hauled away by Middlesex County sheriff's officers. 


"I will endure this and I know that God will be with me," he said, his voice 
cracking with emotion. "I'm innocent, judge. I'm innocent." 


An unmoved Superior Court Judge Barnett Hoffman sentenced Detective James 
Marshall to four years and Chinchilla to three years, despite tearful pleas 
from their families. 


"A message must be sent to people who protect society against criminals that 
they cannot become criminals," Hoffman said. "No one is above the law, 
including police officers." 


Marshall, 44, remained silent when asked if he wanted to address the court, 
but his mother, Helen, wept as she begged the judge to be lenient. 


"Jimmy is innocent and to my dying day, I believe that," she said. 


Hoffman, sitting in New Brunswick, said there was no reason to keep Marshall 
and Chinchilla out of prison. 


Attorneys said that with a four- year term, Marshall could become eligible 
for parole after serving a year to 19 months. Chinchilla, with the three-year 
term, could be paroled in nine to 15 months. 


Three co-conspirators also were sentenced yesterday. 


Luis Posadas, a 40-year-old New Brunswick businessman, was sentenced to three 
years for helping run the brothel, which operated out of the third floor of a 
warehouse on Jersey Avenue in New Brunswick from March to July 1998. 


Hoffman meted out a one-year probationary term for Michelle Thibeault, 31, 
who was convicted of helping run the brothel and working as a prostitute. 
Joyce Sweeney, 32, was placed on probation for a year for helping run the 
place. She was cleared of an accusation that she, too, worked as a 
prostitute. 


Before appearing in court yesterday, Marshall and Chinchilla -- both 16-year 
police veterans -- had been hoping to avoid prison by winning a new trial, 
but those dreams were quickly dashed when the judge ruled there was no basis 
for the request. 


Attorneys argued that one juror, Winston Smith, failed to disclose a November 
1997 arrest in Piscataway on drug charges. 


Barry Albin, a Woodbridge attorney representing Marshall, said the defense 
would have excused Smith from the jury box, asserting he could not fairly sit 
in judgment of the police officers. Both of them worked narcotics 
investigations during their careers. 


Hoffman said Smith was cleared and was not obliged to mention the arrest 
during jury selection. Hoffman also said he was satisfied Smith was a fair 
and impartial juror. 


Hoffman later rejected a request to allow Marshall and Chinchilla to remain 
free while the issue is appealed. The judge said he saw no reason to delay 
incarceration. 


In addition to the terms, the judge fined Marshall, Chinchilla and Posadas 
$1,280 each. Thibeault was fined $1,155 and Sweeney, $655. 


During a five-week trial that ended with convictions on Oct. 26, Assistant 
Middlesex County Prosecutor Lawrence Welle portrayed Marshall and Chinchilla 
as officers who ran astray of the law, expecting they would not be caught. 


The business fell apart, the prosecution charged, after one of the 
prostitutes, Katherine Saddler, tipped police, claiming she was fired and 
never got money she was owed. 


She described for the jury a thriving massage parlor in which hookers pranced 
from showers to massage rooms, providing customers with sexual services. 


The officers denied any wrongdoing as the defense tried to portray Saddler as 
a drug abuser who concocted the account to avoid her own scrapes with the 
law. 


Marshall faces four additional trials in which he is accused of drug 
peddling, perjury and soliciting bribes. He also is accused of allowing two 
other houses of prostitution to operate in New Brunswick. He denies any 
wrongdoing. No trial dates have been set. 


Jim O'Neill covers the Middlesex County courts. He can be reached at 
joneill@... or at (732) 249-5670. 

Would anyone be interested in going to a rally at 120 Wall St. this Saturday 
at noon?  When we consider the struggle in the superstructure, and that 
building independant institutions is one of our main tasks, then the recent 
events at WBAI must be viewed as a serious setback to the left and our 
movement at a time when we can least afford it.  Listen to 99.5 in the 
morning before 9am and between 3&5pm if you want to hear the struggle 
unfold.  Those are two spots that Utrice Leid, the traitor Interim Manager 
has inserted scab broadcasters. Also, check out the websites below for more 
info.  Matt

THE PACIFICA COUNTERREVOLUTION HITS WBAI:
Another Call for Action

Edward S. Herman

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

One of the most crushing series of blows to the U.S. left, and to democracy 
in this country, has been the gradual transformation of the five station 
Pacifica Radio network from locally-based and left-oriented stations into 
centrally controlled, mainstream institutions. Before 1990, all five 
stations in the network were locally oriented, locally managed with strong 
inputs from local audiences and employees, and both highly political and 
progressive. During the 1990s, however, three of the stations--Houston, 
Washington and Los Angeles--were pushed into the mainstream by the Pacifica 
management, with only KPFA in Berkeley and WBAI in New York City remaining 
as holdovers of the earlier tradition.

On December 26, however, the Washington management seized control of WBAI, 
removing the long-time manager Valerie Van Isler, firing Program Director 
Bernard White and producer Sharan Harper without notice, changing the locks 
on the doors in the middle of the night, and installing a new manager from 
within the WBAI staff secretly primed for her new job. Only people on an 
approved list, which did not include Pacifica Foundation board member Leslie 
Cagan, were admitted to the station on December 27. There has been nothing 
democratic about any actions of the Pacifica management for many years, and 
with one of its board members a member of a law firm with a specialty in 
union-busting, the management has long mastered the art of using every trick 
in that trade.

It will be recalled that the Pacifica management had tried to remake KPFA in 
Berkeley several years ago, locking out the employees, firing many, bringing 
in security forces and strikebreakers, but meeting such resistance, with 
10,000 protesters in the streets, and getting such negative publicity that 
the management had to retreat. The stalemate resulted in a tacit settlement 
that gave KPFA and WBAI temporary autonomy and led to the appointment of 
several new representatives of the audiences and stations to the Pacifica 
board.

But this settlement was only temporary, and the new board members quickly 
discovered that they were not listened to and were kept outside any 
decision-making process, sometimes by illegal actions (and two of the 
dissident board members have an ongoing suit against the board based on 
these illegalities). That the central management was on the march again, and 
that a takeover of WBAI might be in the works, was suggested by the 
sustained attack on Amy Goodman and her Democracy Now! program that 
escalated this past September and October. Goodman has long been harassed by 
the Pacifica top management for her lack of sympathy with Clinton and 
general failure to stick with the approved media agenda. She was brought to 
Washington in September and told quite clearly that her focus on East Timor, 
capital punishment, Mumia Abu-Jamal, Lori Berenson (etc.) was excessive. 
Former board chair Mary Frances Berry called her "troublesome," and said 
that she had "embarrassed" the network, possibly meaning Berry herself and 
her friends and colleagues in the Democratic Party. In October Goodman was 
once again brought to Washington and directly threatened with termination 
unless she refrained from using volunteers and cleared her programs in 
advance in Washington (among other demands). She immediately filed a 
grievance with the union for harassment and censorship.

A problem for the Pacifica elite is that Goodman's show heavily outdraws 
their regular news programs, and most other Pacifica programs as well. This 
makes it awkward for them as they claim to be reforming Pacifica in the 
interest of enlarging audience size, which they have been trying to do by 
substituting popular music for politics (and softening any politics that 
remains). But Goodman's show and its successes in drawing audiences suggests 
that critical politics can be quite popular if done well. That she is 
regarded negatively by the Pacifica brass reflects political bias and a 
determination to defang and depoliticize the network in accord with the 
biases of the top management and their constituency. The constituency of the 
"old Pacifica" was the local audiences and employees and volunteers; the 
constituency of the "new Pacifica" of Bessie Wash and Mary Frances Berry is 
Washington power brokers, officials of the Corporation for Public 
Broadcasting, and the Democratic Party.

Even the New York Times notes that the Pacifica Foundation was initially 
based on "a lack of corporate control and its dedication to peace," and 
represented "grass roots, alternative broadcasting" (Jayson Blair, "Pacifica 
Foundation Locks WBAI Station Manager Out of Office," Dec, 28, 2000). The 
"new Pacifica" has changed course, and has abandoned both its grass roots 
base and alternative broadcasting. Its attack on Amy Goodman and the current 
takeover of WBAI are a part of this de-democratization and political 
neutering. This process has resulted from the capture of the Pacifica 
Foundation by a small group of liberal technocrats and Democratic 
Party-linked officials, who have added to their controlling board membership 
businesspeople in the real estate, construction, and corporate law fields to 
support them in their remaking of Pacifica. They have moved Pacifica's 
headquarters from Berkeley to Washington DC, in keeping with the shift in 
their constituency from audiences and employees to Washington power brokers.

We are dealing here with a kind of coup d'etat, and a systematic destruction 
of a major left institution in the wake of that coup. Given the importance 
of the media in hegemonic processes, and in contesting those processes, what 
is happening to Pacifica, and now WBAI, should be first order business for 
the left. This was our only radio network, and it is being destroyed! It is 
a horrifying fact that a chunk of the left actually signed Saul Landau's 
letter in 1999 which defended the Pacifica management and urged the left to 
stop its "Pacifica bashing," with "Pacifica" identified with the management 
group that was destroying the old Pacifica and picking off left journalists 
and stations one by one. Some of the signers are people trying, for example, 
to contest corporate globalization, a subject on which Amy Goodman and the 
old WBAI would give their contesting position extensive and friendly 
coverage, but which the emerging "new Pacifica" will ignore or treat 
perfunctorily. (The "new Pacifica" Washington station WPFW, formerly run by 
current Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash, has been notoriously 
uninterested in protests against not only the dominant political party 
conventions, but those against the World Bank and IMF.) The lack of left 
solidarity involved in signing the Landau letter is equalled only by the 
sheer short-sightedness and stupidity of helping destroy a media institution 
that was a natural ally, if not part of the left itself.

The battle over Pacifica and WBAI is not over. There are mounting protests 
against the WBAI takeover, and there are at least three legal suits in 
process against the Pacifica Foundation control group. I would urge people 
to get into action now. This is important! It was encouraging to see the New 
York Times finally come up with an article on December 28 putting the WBAI 
takeover in a negative light for both tactics and implied violation of 
organizational purpose. This is the time to move into action with letters, 
phone calls, picketing, and contributions to the funding of legal responses 
to illegitimate authority. Information on the issues and names and actions 
under way can be obtained from these key sites:

Hotline: 800-825-0055 to volunteer
718-707-7189 for e-mail and updates

Local WBAI sites:
www.glib.com WBAI union
www.wbai.net WBAI listeners

Sites: general info and background
www.radio4all.org/freepacifica
www.savepacifica.net



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Hi, neighboring New Brunswickians!  

I thought you would be interested in this watch
dog/nonpartisan organization NJFOG (Foundation for
Open Government) just forming in NJ & based on other
states' efforts to open access to our government.
This coalition has been a big support for several of
us in HP trying to get public records that should be
open.

{A follow-up email will contain a letter explaining
the
incorporation of NJ FOG (NJ Foundation for open
Government), our mission & goals, as well as the
immediate need for such an organization.}

The coalition OPRA has been informally working on open
records legislation over the past 2 years and is
formally incorporating to continue this work in a
formal & organized way.  We invite all interested
people and organizations to join.

Our first meeting:  Jan. 13, Saturday in Highland Park
at 11 AM and will adjourn at 1:30 PM. 

Agenda: includes an overview of the present
legislative picture and the organization of NJ FOG
(Board of Trustees will be elected from the members,
Executive Committee elected, etc.)

As it stands, the Senate will be voting on its version
of the Open Public Records Act in late January.  In
some ways it is a stronger and in some ways a weaker
bill than the A1309 passed by the Assembly in late
spring.  Part of the latter has been due to pressure
from the Attorney General's Office and Rutgers
University.  The Coaliton is working on strengthening
this bill.  Whatever the outcome, NJFOG will
incorporate as a long-term government access watch
dog, a place where both residents and government
officials can turn to for education and support on
open government issues.

The organizaing committee/coalition consists of
members from the Society of Professional Journalists,
the citizen's groups VOICES, Highland Park Observers,
Citizen Action, etc.  Other organizations have been
working along side as well.  

We invite all interested
people and organizations to come or send a
representative to this organizing meeting as we set up
NJ FOG.  This organization is based on those of other
states that have worked on government access issues;
NJ FOG will also be a member of the National Freedomof
Information organization.
Membership will entail dues; although the type of
membership/dues structure is still to be determined
once the Board is established.  Individual dues will
be very reasonable.  The Society of
Professional Journalists has provided monetary support
for the start-up and incorporation of NJ FOG.

if you have any questions, please contact me. Please
let me know if you are interested... 

Anne Barron
732-545-4908

Zofia Nowakowski
Fiscal Policy Institute
275 Seventh Ave, 6th Floor
T: 212-414-9306
F: 212-414-9002

hi 
this is alyssa coiley and i am an activist from
Chicago who lives in Newark now.  i am looking to move
to New Brunswick this month, actually like asap.  if
anyone knows of a room available i would really
appreciate if you would let me know.

thanks a lot
alyssa joy

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Keith, No, I don't think you're right about it being the expression of monopoly capitalism.  Even Uncle Karl would disagree when he says the state comes into a power of its own, mostly apart from the bourgeoisie.  Check out 18th Brumaire.  I'll look up relevant passages later when I have time. Peace, Jim
>      Actually Hitler was well financed by not only the German big bourgeois but also
> some Americans (Henry Ford for instance).  An explaination of Hitler's financing is
> available in a book called "Who Financed Hitler".  .
>      The point that the big bourgeois would prefer bourgeois democracy to outright
> dictatorship I think is true.  Just look at them in the US they love to debate among
> themselves on all sorts of things.  The reason the big bourgeois supported the
> dicatorship of Hitler was first, they feared a working class revolution.  Their fear
> was based not only on the victory of the proletariat in the Soviet Union but also on
> the fact that the working class had taken state power in Germany in 1918.  Secondly,
> Hitler gave the big bourgeois complete control over the economy.  Historically
> speaking fascism attacks a retreating working class a kick 'em when their down kind of
> thinking. R. Palm Dutt explains this in his book Fascism and Social Revolution.  He
> uses the example of Italy, Austria and Germany to make a pretty convincing case.  All
> three countries went fascist but only after the working class had  state power within
> or in its grasp, only to be betrayed by its social democratic "leaders".
>      I think that it is a mistake to say that fascism is the "primacy of politics over
> economics".  In fact, I think it would be the other way around.  Fascism is the
> outright dictatorship of monopoly capital. Humanity becomes completly subordinated to
> the needs of big capital.  The needs of capital in times of severe economic crisis are
> most easily met through war;  the destruction of the productive forces as a cure to
> the economic crisis which is one of overproduction. Nazism is the most extreme form of
> barbarous capitalism because it includes not only war as a means of destruction to
> solve the economic crisis but genocide as well.
> 
> jmluceno@e... wrote:
> 
> > Jim,
> >
> > These are good points to bring up.
> >
> > So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at
> > all?  That's an interesting point that I was unaware of.  I was
> > probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more
> > about than the Nazi ascension to power.
> >
> > I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values
> > of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture.  The actual historical
> > situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case?
> >
> > Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the
> > socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement.  I only touched
> > on some ideological differences.  What specifically was the labor
> > movement's relationship to the Nazis?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jagross@e... wrote:
> > >
> > > I restrained myself from quoting the whole message.  Let me just
> > > respond to one point that I think is important ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > make no mistake: while the fascist leader pays such lip service to
> > > > these classes, he is *actually* supported, the entire time, by the
> > > > most powerful industrialists.  The gran bourgeoisie, not the
> > petite
> > > > bourgeoisie, are the ones who abandon liberal democracy and bring
> > in
> > > > a Strongman to restore law and order against the proletariat.
> > (For
> > > > more on this aspect of fascism, see Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire of
> > > Louis
> > > > Bonaparte, or Barrington Moore, Social Origins of Dictatorship and
> > > > Democracy).
> > >
> > > Okay, the problem here is differentiating between 1) The
> > relationship
> > > between capitalism and fascism at the time of the _creation_ of a
> > > dictatorship ... versus 2) The relationship between capitalism and
> > > fascism after the dictatorship has been fully established.  In other
> > > words, do _capitalists_ intend a dictatorship (1) or do they (2)
> > > merely adapt opportunistically to the dictatorship once it is
> > > established?
> > >
> > > Historically, capitalism adapted comfortably and happily to
> > Fascism.
> > > But fascism was never intended by the 'big bourgeoisie'.  Especially
> > > in Germany.  I'll briefly list the following articles of proof with
> > > respect to the Nazis:
> > >
> > > 1)  The power to appoint the Chancellor (in 1933) stood with a tiny
> > > clique of isolated individuals surrounding the aging President
> > > Hindenberg.  These included a few trusted old military figures and
> > > Hindenberg's son.  Hitler's ascension to power was indeed determined
> > > by very contingent political factors, by human choices.  A military
> > > dictatorship was all but fated; a Nazi dictatorship was not.  The
> > > last Chancellor before Hitler, Kurt von Schleicher, could have
> > rather
> > > easily lead a military coup, and there might have never been a Nazi
> > > dictatorship.  In fact, he seriously considered doing so.
> > >
> > > 2)  The 'big bourgeoisie' mostly opposed the Nazis, at worst
> > > supporting the more authoritarian of the basically liberal (if not
> > > fully democratic) parties.  THIS is an important point:  there may
> > > have been an element of elitism on the part of many industrialists.
> > > But this elitism, paradoxically, looked down upon the Antisemitism
> > of
> > > the Fascists as vulgar, ugly and stupid.  It may have even been
> > > viewed as a phenomenon of 'mob rule'.
> > >
> > > 3)  Many of the industrialists were at the head of industries that
> > > benefitted from free trade policies.  The Nazis were shrill in their
> > > condemnation of 'free trade'.
> > >
> > > 4)  Exceedingly detailed research has been done on how the Nazi
> > party
> > > was funded.  All records point to a mass-based funding model much
> > > like the Communists and Social Democrats, with greater reliance on
> > > money collected from party rallies (which were much more spectacular
> > > than those of the SPD or CP).  Industrialists contributed almost
> > > nothing; when they contributed at all, it was very late in the game,
> > > and only as a kind of desperate bribe.  Only one steel magnate, a
> > man
> > > by the name of Fritz Thyssen, openly supported and contributed to
> > the
> > > Nazis.  In 1934, he recanted and fled the country.
> > >
> > > There is only one argument that would seem at all logical.  It's a
> > > bit roundabout.
> > >
> > > Industrialists during the Weimar period did _not_ contribute to the
> > > Nazis, generally, nor support them.  They _did_, however, contribute
> > > to the liberal parties, the left-liberal DDP and the right-liberal
> > > DVP, in particular.  In the late 20's, they began to cut back their
> > > funding, because they found that they were entirely unable to
> > > influence the nation's economic policy through their support of, and
> > > contributions to, these parties.  This helped lead to the collapse
> > of
> > > the centrist parties, and thereby the parties that frequently
> > aligned
> > > with the SPD to neutralize the Nazis. It also led to the effective
> > > collapse of parliamentary rule.  But this hardly amounts to saying
> > > that the bourgeoisie wanted fascism.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, yes, the bourgeoisie adapted to Fascism just fine.  But
> > > Fascism is primarily political; it means the primacy of politics
> > over
> > > economics, not the other way around.
> > >
> > > Bye,
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> >
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Alyssa,
I called you a couple of times, but the phone was busy
alot!!!
I"m having a really busy week, and I'm not home much,
but I wouldn't mind helping you if we could connect at
all.  Have you tried Rutger's Housing on George St? 
Also, put up signs at the co-op and the student
centers.  The Home News Tribune can also be a good
source, at times.
Karen
--- Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...> wrote:
> hi 
> this is alyssa coiley and i am an activist from
> Chicago who lives in Newark now.  i am looking to
> move
> to New Brunswick this month, actually like asap.  if
> anyone knows of a room available i would really
> appreciate if you would let me know.
> 
> thanks a lot
> alyssa joy
> 
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Paul & Co.-
You might want to consider contacting these folks regarding the Right to 
Know lawsuit that the Coalition has pending.  Speaking of which, if the 
Coalition is to become active again, following up on this lawsuit ought to 
be a top priority, in addition to whatever Pat has going on. (Still on the 
mend...I don't think I'll be up to going to tonights NJFO meeting, but send 
out a note where it's going to be just in case.)  Matthew

>From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] NJFOG (Foundation for Open Government
>Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:17:18 -0500
>
>Hi, neighboring New Brunswickians!
>
>I thought you would be interested in this watch
>dog/nonpartisan organization NJFOG (Foundation for
>Open Government) just forming in NJ & based on other
>states' efforts to open access to our government.
>This coalition has been a big support for several of
>us in HP trying to get public records that should be
>open.
>
>{A follow-up email will contain a letter explaining
>the
>incorporation of NJ FOG (NJ Foundation for open
>Government), our mission & goals, as well as the
>immediate need for such an organization.}
>
>The coalition OPRA has been informally working on open
>records legislation over the past 2 years and is
>formally incorporating to continue this work in a
>formal & organized way.  We invite all interested
>people and organizations to join.
>
>Our first meeting:  Jan. 13, Saturday in Highland Park
>at 11 AM and will adjourn at 1:30 PM.
>
>Agenda: includes an overview of the present
>legislative picture and the organization of NJ FOG
>(Board of Trustees will be elected from the members,
>Executive Committee elected, etc.)
>
>As it stands, the Senate will be voting on its version
>of the Open Public Records Act in late January.  In
>some ways it is a stronger and in some ways a weaker
>bill than the A1309 passed by the Assembly in late
>spring.  Part of the latter has been due to pressure
>from the Attorney General's Office and Rutgers
>University.  The Coaliton is working on strengthening
>this bill.  Whatever the outcome, NJFOG will
>incorporate as a long-term government access watch
>dog, a place where both residents and government
>officials can turn to for education and support on
>open government issues.
>
>The organizaing committee/coalition consists of
>members from the Society of Professional Journalists,
>the citizen's groups VOICES, Highland Park Observers,
>Citizen Action, etc.  Other organizations have been
>working along side as well.
>
>We invite all interested
>people and organizations to come or send a
>representative to this organizing meeting as we set up
>NJ FOG.  This organization is based on those of other
>states that have worked on government access issues;
>NJ FOG will also be a member of the National Freedomof
>Information organization.
>Membership will entail dues; although the type of
>membership/dues structure is still to be determined
>once the Board is established.  Individual dues will
>be very reasonable.  The Society of
>Professional Journalists has provided monetary support
>for the start-up and incorporation of NJ FOG.
>
>if you have any questions, please contact me. Please
>let me know if you are interested...
>
>Anne Barron
>732-545-4908
>
>Zofia Nowakowski
>Fiscal Policy Institute
>275 Seventh Ave, 6th Floor
>T: 212-414-9306
>F: 212-414-9002
>
>
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>

Hey,

Good to hear from you again. 

Okay:

Quote
****
Actually Hitler was well financed by not only the German big 
bourgeois but also some Americans (Henry Ford for instance).   An 
explaination of Hitler's financing is available in a book called "Who 
Financed Hitler".   . The point that the big bourgeois would prefer 
bourgeois democracy to outright dictatorship I think is true.   Just 
look at them in the US they love to debate among themselves on all 
sorts of things.   The reason the big bourgeois supported the 
dicatorship of Hitler was first, they feared a working class 
revolution.   Their fear was based not only on the victory of the 
proletariat in the Soviet Union but also on the fact that the working 
class had taken state power in Germany in 1918.   Secondly, Hitler 
gave the big bourgeois complete control over the economy.   
****

To say that some individuals from the ranks of the bourgeoisie 
supported Hitler is one thing.  The book you mention above, from the 
reviews I read of it, seems to claim just this.  To say, however, 
that Hitler was _largely_ supported by the bourgeoisie is a very 
different claim.  The proof is overwhelming that he was _not_ 
overwhelmingly financed nor supported by the bourgeoisie.

What's historically important is who _primarily_ supported and 
financed the Nazis.  Primarily, he was supported by the petite 
bourgeoisie, by feudal aristocratic types, by the sorts of people who 
supported Louis Napoleon in France in the 1840's.  

As for fear of Communist revolution:  this is why the bourgeoisie 
became peacefully accostomed to working with the Social Democrats 
throughout the 1920's.  They preferred labor regulations and a 
welfare state to _both_ Communism and Nazism.  

Quote:
***
Historically speaking fascism attacks a retreating working class a 
kick 'em when their down kind of thinking. R. Palm Dutt explains this 
in his book Fascism and Social Revolution.   He uses the example of 
Italy, Austria and Germany to make a pretty convincing case.   All 
three countries went fascist but only after the working class had   
state power within or in its grasp, only to be betrayed by its social 
democratic "leaders". I think that it is a mistake to say that 
fascism is the "primacy of politics over economics".   In fact, I 
think it would be the other way around.   Fascism is the outright 
dictatorship of monopoly capital. Humanity becomes completly 
subordinated to the needs of big capital.   The needs of capital in 
times of severe economic crisis are most easily met through war;   
the destruction of the productive forces as a cure to the economic 
crisis which is one of overproduction. Nazism is the most extreme 
form of barbarous capitalism because it includes not only war as a 
means of destruction to solve the economic crisis but genocide as 
well. 
***

Upon further reflection, I think you'd have an awfully tough time 
defending the last statement here, that genocide somehow helped the 
Nazis to resolve the crisis of capitalism.  If anything, it was 
certainly bad for capitalism.  Many prominent scientists, 
businessment and intellectuals were Jewish.  Entire areas of research 
were banned as being inherently "Jewish"; the most advanced physics 
of the time (Quantum Mechanics and Relativity) was banned as "Jewish 
Physics".  

If you want an instance of capitalists overthrowing bourgeois 
democracy and imposing a dictatorship, look to Chile or Guatemala, 
not Nazi Germany. 

TTYL,

Jeremy

i want to make sure that jim schultz gets this info...


>From: iacenter@...
>Reply-To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...>
>To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...>
>Subject: Update on legal situation for Jan. 20 counter-inaugural from IAC
>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:23:59 -0500
>
>INTERNATIONAL ACTION CENTER UPDATE ON THE LEGAL SITUATION
>WITH THE JANUARY 20 COUNTER-INAUGURAL DEMONSTRATION
>
>The Partnership for Civil Justice�the DC-based attorneys who are
>representing the International Action Center and other
>protesters�have sent a letter to DC Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey,
>United States Park Police Chief Robert E. Langston, National Park
>Service Director Robert Stanton, and United States Capitol Police Chief
>James Varey.
>
>The legal team is insisting that people who oppose the Bush
>administration have the right to express their opinion, to obtain permits
>and to demonstrate their point of view in the area of the inaugural
>event. The letter to the police requests specific information and
>clarification on outstanding issues related to permits and police conduct
>on January 20.  The legal team has given the police agencies until the
>close of the business day Monday, January 8, to respond.
>
>Let us be very clear on our goal in this endeavor: We intend to obtain a
>permit so that thousands of people can participate in a mass rally on
>January 20.  We are launching a campaign to uphold our rights that will
>use all available legal avenues as well as public pressure.
>
>The IAC will be giving everyone a comprehensive report on the status
>of the permits, outstanding legal issues and other tactics at our
>upcoming Regional Organizers Meeting on Tuesday, January 9.  It will
>be held at 6:30 pm at Local 169 UNITE union hall, 33 W. 14th St. in New
>York City.  It is very important for everyone who can to attend this
>meeting.
>
>The police officials have been attempting to create a climate of fear
>and confusion to deliberately dissuade thousands of people from
>demonstrating at the Bush inauguration.  The police agencies have told
>the media that they intend to set up check points along the inaugural
>route.  This is precisely the tactic that the pro-Bush forces used in
>Florida: setting up check points outside voting booths, especially in
>African American and Haitian communities.
>
>After having disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters in the general
>election, the Bush administration wants to disenfranchise thousands of
>protesters who want to exercise their First Amendment right to say
>"NO" to the death penalty, racism and racist disenfranchisement, and to
>raise other issues.
>
>We are confident that we can defeat what has been a systematic level
>of intimidation.  To succeed, the IAC and it allies to employ every
>means at our disposal. We will pursue every avenue available to us.
>This is because we believe that the highest priority is to make sure that
>thousands and thousands of people come to Washington, DC on
>January 20.
>
>The right-wing Bush administration would like to guarantee that the
>next four years will be ones with no protests against racism, the death
>penalty and war.  But that is a fantasy because our movement is going
>to grow.
>
>Again, make sure you organize to come to the January 9 Regional
>Organizers Meeting to get a full report, as well as to pick up flyers,
>posters, stickers and bus tickets.  It will be held at 6:30 pm at Local
>169 UNITE union hall, 33 W. 14th St. in New York City.
>
>International Action Center
>39 West 14th Street, Room 206
>New York, NY 10011
>email: iacenter@...
>web: http://www.iacenter.org
>CHECK OUT SITE
>    http://www.mumia2000.org
>phone: 212 633-6646
>fax:   212 633-2889
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>From: iacenter@...
>Reply-To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...>
>To: "Jan 20 endorsers"<iacenter@...>
>Subject: NYC bus transportation to DC for Jan. 20
>Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:38:15 -0500
>
>BUS TRANSPORTATION TO JANUARY 20
>PROTEST IN DC AT BUSH'S INAUGURATION
>
>The International Action Center is chartering a large number of buses
>for the New York area to take demonstrators to Washington DC on
>January 20.
>
>BUS DEPARTURE TIME AND LOCATIONS
>Buses will depart at 5 am on January 20 from the following locations:
>Manhattan:
>      14th St. and Union Square West
>      96th St. and Broadway
>      125th St. and Harlem State Office Building
>Brooklyn
>      Grand Army Plaza/Brooklyn Public Library
>
>PURCHASING BUS TICKETS
>To ride on a chartered bus, you must purchase your bus ticket in
>advance.  The round-trip tickets are $30 ($25 for low income).  Tickets
>can be purchased from the International Action Center office.  Tickets
>can be purchased by check until January 16.  Write checks to
>International Action Center.  IAC office hours are Monday - Thursday
>10 am-8 pm; Friday 10 am-7 pm; Saturday 11 am-5pm.
>
>SELLING TICKETS ON CONSIGNMENT
>Blocks of tickets can be taken on consignment for selling to friends, co-
>workers, members of your group, church, school, union, etc.  Ask for
>more information.
>
>FOR GROUPS, SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, UNIONS, ETC.
>Many groups and schools are chartering their own buses to the march.
>Please let the International Action Center office know if you are
>organizing a bus.  Also, call the office if you need information or
>assistance regarding bus rental.  Bus packets, driving instructions and
>bus captain orientations will be available the week before the march.
>
>*For bus transportation from areas around the country, go to
>www.iacenter.org or www.mumia2000.org for the organizing center
>nearest you.
>
>
>International Action Center
>39 West 14th Street, Room 206
>New York, NY 10011
>email: iacenter@...
>web: http://www.iacenter.org
>CHECK OUT SITE
>    http://www.mumia2000.org
>phone: 212 633-6646
>fax:   212 633-2889
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On behalf of NJFO, I have issued this statement in support of the staff at 
WBAI.  Our organization may now appear on their own public statement 
condemning the take-over and firings.

To the Staff at WBAI:

We realize the gravity of the ongoing situation at
WBAI.  At this stage in the development of the
progressive and revolutionary movement, independant
media outlets for the free and democratic dissemination
of ideas and information are critical.  The actions of
Pacifica, in capitulation with certain members of the
WBAI staff, should be seen for what it is: the first step
in the corporatization of this important community outlet
and organizing tool.  With the recent right-wing
takeover of big government, the need for open access
to this outlet has become even more critical.  We urge
you to continue struggling to undo the damage that has
been done, and we support your demand that all staff
that have been wrongly fired be immediately brought
back.  And we will do what we can where we are, in
New Brunswick and Newark, NJ, to spread this
information and build support.

In Unity & Struggle,
Matthew Smith
New Jersey Freedom Organization
(732) 545-5756



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for further information on Hitler financing, check out "Ford and the Fuhrer: 
new documents reveal the close ties between Dearborn and the Nazis", by Ken 
Silverstein (The Nation, 1/24/00). It's a detailed expose of the intimate 
relationship between Henry Ford and the German Nazi Party.

Silverstein writes:

"Ford Motor set up shop in Germany in 1925, when it opened an office in 
Berlin. Six years later, it built a large plant in Cologne, which became its 
headquarters in the country. Ford of Germany prospered during the Nazi 
years, especially with the economic boom brought on by WWII. Sales increased 
by more than half between 1938 and 1943, and, according to a US Government 
report found at the National Archives, the value of the German subsidiary 
more than doubled during the course of the war... Ford eagerly collaborated 
with the Nazis, which enhanced its business prospects and at the same time 
helped Hitler prepare for war ..."

this certainly provides an interesting exception to Jeremy's thesis that the 
capitalists got down with the Nazis only after they came to power. in H. 
Ford's case, we can see that the fool was a big subscriber of nazi ideology, 
which sparked his support of Hitler right off the bat. certainly, not all 
companies were the same, but we can't forget that the power of ideological 
agreement.

an important extrapolation from the Ford/Fuhrer connection  is the 
relationship between US Ford and the American labor movement. There were 
vicious strikes in Detroit before the UAW secured a stronghold at Ford, 
during which many stormtrooper-esque goons were unleashed on man, woman, and 
child alike to beat their brains in for supporting the union. Ford did much 
to inspire the proliferation of Cold War ideology in the US, and to redbait 
militant unionists. For more info, check out "the most dangerous man in 
Detroit:Walter Reuther and the UAW".

kristina

>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: Fascism vs. Communism
>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 1980 01:58:42 -0500
>
>      Actually Hitler was well financed by not only the German big 
>bourgeois but also
>some Americans (Henry Ford for instance).  An explaination of Hitler's 
>financing is
>available in a book called "Who Financed Hitler".  .
>      The point that the big bourgeois would prefer bourgeois democracy to 
>outright
>dictatorship I think is true.  Just look at them in the US they love to 
>debate among
>themselves on all sorts of things.  The reason the big bourgeois supported 
>the
>dicatorship of Hitler was first, they feared a working class revolution.  
>Their fear
>was based not only on the victory of the proletariat in the Soviet Union 
>but also on
>the fact that the working class had taken state power in Germany in 1918.  
>Secondly,
>Hitler gave the big bourgeois complete control over the economy.  
>Historically
>speaking fascism attacks a retreating working class a kick 'em when their 
>down kind of
>thinking. R. Palm Dutt explains this in his book Fascism and Social 
>Revolution.  He
>uses the example of Italy, Austria and Germany to make a pretty convincing 
>case.  All
>three countries went fascist but only after the working class had  state 
>power within
>or in its grasp, only to be betrayed by its social democratic "leaders".
>      I think that it is a mistake to say that fascism is the "primacy of 
>politics over
>economics".  In fact, I think it would be the other way around.  Fascism is 
>the
>outright dictatorship of monopoly capital. Humanity becomes completly 
>subordinated to
>the needs of big capital.  The needs of capital in times of severe economic 
>crisis are
>most easily met through war;  the destruction of the productive forces as a 
>cure to
>the economic crisis which is one of overproduction. Nazism is the most 
>extreme form of
>barbarous capitalism because it includes not only war as a means of 
>destruction to
>solve the economic crisis but genocide as well.
>
>jmluceno@... wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > These are good points to bring up.
> >
> > So fascist rule in Germany was not supported by large industry at
> > all?  That's an interesting point that I was unaware of.  I was
> > probably thinking in terms of the coup in France, which I know more
> > about than the Nazi ascension to power.
> >
> > I believe I am right in saying that the Nazis appealed to the values
> > of the small bourgeoisie and agriculture.  The actual historical
> > situation may be more nuanced, but is that generally the case?
> >
> > Something I did forget to elaborate on was the difference between the
> > socialist movements at the time and the Nazi movement.  I only touched
> > on some ideological differences.  What specifically was the labor
> > movement's relationship to the Nazis?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, jagross@e... wrote:
> > >
> > > I restrained myself from quoting the whole message.  Let me just
> > > respond to one point that I think is important ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > make no mistake: while the fascist leader pays such lip service to
> > > > these classes, he is *actually* supported, the entire time, by the
> > > > most powerful industrialists.  The gran bourgeoisie, not the
> > petite
> > > > bourgeoisie, are the ones who abandon liberal democracy and bring
> > in
> > > > a Strongman to restore law and order against the proletariat.
> > (For
> > > > more on this aspect of fascism, see Karl Marx, 18th Brumaire of
> > > Louis
> > > > Bonaparte, or Barrington Moore, Social Origins of Dictatorship and
> > > > Democracy).
> > >
> > > Okay, the problem here is differentiating between 1) The
> > relationship
> > > between capitalism and fascism at the time of the _creation_ of a
> > > dictatorship ... versus 2) The relationship between capitalism and
> > > fascism after the dictatorship has been fully established.  In other
> > > words, do _capitalists_ intend a dictatorship (1) or do they (2)
> > > merely adapt opportunistically to the dictatorship once it is
> > > established?
> > >
> > > Historically, capitalism adapted comfortably and happily to
> > Fascism.
> > > But fascism was never intended by the 'big bourgeoisie'.  Especially
> > > in Germany.  I'll briefly list the following articles of proof with
> > > respect to the Nazis:
> > >
> > > 1)  The power to appoint the Chancellor (in 1933) stood with a tiny
> > > clique of isolated individuals surrounding the aging President
> > > Hindenberg.  These included a few trusted old military figures and
> > > Hindenberg's son.  Hitler's ascension to power was indeed determined
> > > by very contingent political factors, by human choices.  A military
> > > dictatorship was all but fated; a Nazi dictatorship was not.  The
> > > last Chancellor before Hitler, Kurt von Schleicher, could have
> > rather
> > > easily lead a military coup, and there might have never been a Nazi
> > > dictatorship.  In fact, he seriously considered doing so.
> > >
> > > 2)  The 'big bourgeoisie' mostly opposed the Nazis, at worst
> > > supporting the more authoritarian of the basically liberal (if not
> > > fully democratic) parties.  THIS is an important point:  there may
> > > have been an element of elitism on the part of many industrialists.
> > > But this elitism, paradoxically, looked down upon the Antisemitism
> > of
> > > the Fascists as vulgar, ugly and stupid.  It may have even been
> > > viewed as a phenomenon of 'mob rule'.
> > >
> > > 3)  Many of the industrialists were at the head of industries that
> > > benefitted from free trade policies.  The Nazis were shrill in their
> > > condemnation of 'free trade'.
> > >
> > > 4)  Exceedingly detailed research has been done on how the Nazi
> > party
> > > was funded.  All records point to a mass-based funding model much
> > > like the Communists and Social Democrats, with greater reliance on
> > > money collected from party rallies (which were much more spectacular
> > > than those of the SPD or CP).  Industrialists contributed almost
> > > nothing; when they contributed at all, it was very late in the game,
> > > and only as a kind of desperate bribe.  Only one steel magnate, a
> > man
> > > by the name of Fritz Thyssen, openly supported and contributed to
> > the
> > > Nazis.  In 1934, he recanted and fled the country.
> > >
> > > There is only one argument that would seem at all logical.  It's a
> > > bit roundabout.
> > >
> > > Industrialists during the Weimar period did _not_ contribute to the
> > > Nazis, generally, nor support them.  They _did_, however, contribute
> > > to the liberal parties, the left-liberal DDP and the right-liberal
> > > DVP, in particular.  In the late 20's, they began to cut back their
> > > funding, because they found that they were entirely unable to
> > > influence the nation's economic policy through their support of, and
> > > contributions to, these parties.  This helped lead to the collapse
> > of
> > > the centrist parties, and thereby the parties that frequently
> > aligned
> > > with the SPD to neutralize the Nazis. It also led to the effective
> > > collapse of parliamentary rule.  But this hardly amounts to saying
> > > that the bourgeoisie wanted fascism.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, yes, the bourgeoisie adapted to Fascism just fine.  But
> > > Fascism is primarily political; it means the primacy of politics
> > over
> > > economics, not the other way around.
> > >
> > > Bye,
> > >
> > > Jeremy
> >
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> >
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Hey folks- If you want a glimpse at the WBAI-99.5FM struggle & Rally last 
Saturday to re-democratize this critical community suported outlet, check 
out this website put up by Nat Bender, son of labor singers Bob and Patty 
Bender.  Also, the Amy Goodman, host of WBAI's 'Democracy Now!' will be the 
Guest Speaker at a Teach-In at NYU sponsored by the Women's International 
League for Peace and Freedom.

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"The Pacifica Boards Attacks Against WBAI's Listener-Sponsored Radio"

Saturday, January 27, 2001 from 1pm-4pm @ NYU's Main Building, Rm 714
Corner of Waverly and Washington Square Park, Enter @ Waverly Door and take 
North Elevator to the 7th Flr.  FMI:(212) 533-3470

Let me know if your interested in attending this event. Matthew


>From: "Nat Bender" <nat@...>
>To: <rbender@...>, <Djbender@...>, "buell" <buell@...>,    
>     <vivaohio@...>, <bobl@...>
>Subject: photos from WBAI rally yesterday
>Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:58:04 -0800
>
>online at http://www.revolutionarywebdesign.com/wbai .
>
>Solidarity!
>Nat T. Bender
>Minister of Information
>www.RevolutionaryWebDesign.com
>908/241-8560

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Hello again ...

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> 
wrote:
> for further information on Hitler financing, check out "Ford and 
the Fuhrer: 
> new documents reveal the close ties between Dearborn and the 
Nazis", by Ken 
> Silverstein (The Nation, 1/24/00). It's a detailed expose of the 
intimate 
> relationship between Henry Ford and the German Nazi Party.
> 
> Silverstein writes:
> 
> "Ford Motor set up shop in Germany in 1925, when it opened an 
office in 
> Berlin. Six years later, it built a large plant in Cologne, which 
became its 
> headquarters in the country. Ford of Germany prospered during the 
Nazi 
> years, especially with the economic boom brought on by WWII. Sales 
increased 
> by more than half between 1938 and 1943, and, according to a US 
Government 
> report found at the National Archives, the value of the German 
subsidiary 
> more than doubled during the course of the war... Ford eagerly 
collaborated 
> with the Nazis, which enhanced its business prospects and at the 
same time 
> helped Hitler prepare for war ..."
> 
> this certainly provides an interesting exception to Jeremy's thesis 
that the 
> capitalists got down with the Nazis only after they came to power. 
in H. 
> Ford's case, we can see that the fool was a big subscriber of nazi 
ideology, 
> which sparked his support of Hitler right off the bat. certainly, 
not all 
> companies were the same, but we can't forget that the power of 
ideological 
> agreement.

Again, I said that most of the big German capitalists did not support 
the Nazis; hence I argued that it's impossible to claim that Nazism 
was an _expression of capitalism_ or an expression of _the will of 
capitalists_.  

First, what's more important here is the degree to which 
the 'national bourgeoisie' supported the Nazis.  But that aside, 
though there were quite a number of people such as Ford, capitalists 
in Germany and abroad who supported the Nazis politically or 
economically, they still didn't make a decisive difference as to 
whether or not the Nazis seized power in Germany.

Certainly, the Ford case doesn't prove that Fascism or Nazism were 
inherently Capitalist ideologies / movements.  That's my point here.

> an important extrapolation from the Ford/Fuhrer connection  is the 
> relationship between US Ford and the American labor movement. There 
were 
> vicious strikes in Detroit before the UAW secured a stronghold at 
Ford, 
> during which many stormtrooper-esque goons were unleashed on man, 
woman, and 
> child alike to beat their brains in for supporting the union. Ford 
did much 
> to inspire the proliferation of Cold War ideology in the US, and to 
redbait 
> militant unionists. For more info, check out "the most dangerous 
man in 
> Detroit:Walter Reuther and the UAW".

It'd be interesting to see if Ford was really and truly inspired by 
the Nazis' paramilitary squads in his company's strikebreaking 
methods.  I'd guess that he would have stated this openly somewhere 
if it is indeed the case.

TTYL,

Jeremy

As Campaign General Counsel, and as a member of its Research unit, I 
am coordinating volunteers to attend various municipal meetings 
coming up over the next three months.  Most of these meetings are 
relatively short.

This important job, by which the Campaign keeps tabs on city 
activities and gains visibility with community members, entails 
promptly arriving at the meetings, picking up the agenda, taking 
notes on what is said and done, introducing yourself to members of 
the body in question and/or its staffers, and possibly speaking (if 
an issue of interest to the Campaign comes up).

If you can do this, or know someone who can, please contact me at the 
following email address, replacing (dot) with a . and replacing (at) 
with an @ :

flavio(dot)komuves(at)att(dot)net

Also, please circulate this email widely to others who may be 
interested in attending.  The meetings that need to be attended 
follow.  Before attending a meeting, it may be wise to call the 
appropriate office (e.g. City Clerk, Board Secretary, etc.) to ensure 
it is still going on as scheduled.

CITY COUNCIL
City Hall, 78 Bayard Street

Regular Meetings
7 pm, January 17
7 pm, February 7
7 pm, February 21
7 pm, March 7
7 pm, March 21

Agenda Meetings
5 pm, January 11
5 pm, February 5
5 pm, February 15
5 pm, March 5
5 pm, March 19

PLANNING BOARD
7:30 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
January 10, February 14, March 14

ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT
7:30 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
January 22, February 5, March 26

RENT LEVELING BOARD
7 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
January 9, January 23, February 13, February 27, March 13, March 27

ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION
7:00 PM, Public Library, Livingston Avenue
January 25, February 22, March 28

TRAFFIC COMMISSION
2:00 PM, City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
February 1, March 7

BOARD OF EDUCATION
7:00 PM, New Brunswick High School,
1125 Livingston Avenue
January 16, February 20, March 20

CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD
School Auditorium
115 Livingston Avenue
January 9, February 13, March 13

HOUSING AUTHORITY
6:45 PM, 176 Memorial Homes
January 26, February 23, March 24

LIBRARY BOARD OF TRUSTEES
5:00 PM, Public Library, Livingston Avenue
January 24, February 28, March 28


Thank you for your anticipated help!

Flavio L. Komuves
General Counsel
New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign
P.O. Box 131
New Brunswick, NJ 08903

Buchanan Ingersoll, P.C.
650 College Road East, 4th Floor
Princeton, NJ 08540
609/987-6854

FYI, Here is the same list of meetings, sorted by date.  Again, 
please attend!

Flavio



CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD	January 9	TBD	School Auditorium, 
115 Livingston Avenue
RENT LEVELING BOARD	January 9	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
PLANNING BOARD	January 10	7:30 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
CITY COUNCIL (Agenda)	January 11	5 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
CITY COUNCIL (Agenda)	January 15	5 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
BOARD OF EDUCATION	January 16	7 PM	N.B. High School, 
1125 Livingston Avenue
CITY COUNCIL (Regular)	January 17	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
ZONING BOARD	January 22	7:30 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
RENT LEVELING BOARD	January 23	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
LIBRARY BD. OF TRUSTEES	January 24	5 PM	Public Library, 
Livingston Avenue
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION	January 25	7 PM	Public 
Library, Livingston Ave.
HOUSING AUTHORITY	January 26	6:45 PM	176 Memorial Homes
TRAFFIC COMMISSION	February 1	2 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
CITY COUNCIL (Agenda)	February 5	5 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
ZONING BOARD	February 5	7:30 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
CITY COUNCIL (Regular)	February 7	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD	February 13	TBD	School Auditorium, 
115 Livingston Avenue
RENT LEVELING BOARD	February 13	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
PLANNING BOARD	February 14	7:30 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
BOARD OF EDUCATION	February 20	7 PM	N.B. High School, 
1125 Livingston Avenue
CITY COUNCIL (Regular)	February 21	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION	February 22	7 PM	Public 
Library, Livingston Ave.
HOUSING AUTHORITY
	February 23	6:45 PM	176 Memorial Homes
RENT LEVELING BOARD	February 27	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
LIBRARY BD. OF TRUSTEES	February 28	5 PM	Public Library, 
Livingston Avenue
CITY COUNCIL (Agenda)	March 5	5 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
CITY COUNCIL (Regular)	March 7	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
TRAFFIC COMMISSION	March 7	2 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD	March 13	TBD	School Auditorium, 
115 Livingston Avenue
RENT LEVELING BOARD	March 13	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
PLANNING BOARD	March 14	7:30 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
CITY COUNCIL (Agenda)	March 15	5 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
BOARD OF EDUCATION	March 20	7 PM	N.B. High School, 
1125 Livingston Avenue
CITY COUNCIL (Regular)	March 21	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
HOUSING AUTHORITY
	March 24	6:45 PM	176 Memorial Homes
ZONING BOARD	March 26	7:30 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard Street
RENT LEVELING BOARD	March 27	7 PM	City Hall, 78 Bayard 
Street
ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION	March 28	7 PM	Public 
Library, Livingston Ave.
LIBRARY BD. OF TRUSTEES	March 28	5 PM	Public Library, 
Livingston Avenue

Hello,

Many of you are probably aware that Senator Torricelli has, in recent 
weeks, openly proclaimed his support for John Ashcroft.  He has 
recently modified this, stating that he will support Ashcroft so long 
as he openly proclaims a willingness to fight racial profiling.  The 
NY Times and others have speculated that this stems from a number of 
highly opportunistic political considerations on Torricelli's part, 
including, I think, worries that he may be investigated on matters of 
fundraising.

In any case, Torricelli has a web-based email forum 
http://www.senate.gov/~torricelli/

Also, check out People for the American Way at:
www.pfaw.org (it might be .com, but I think it's .org)

Jeremy

That makes sense since Torricelli was a champion fundraiser in the last four 
years.


>From: jagross@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Ashcroft and Torricelli
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:20:19 -0000
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Many of you are probably aware that Senator Torricelli has, in recent
>weeks, openly proclaimed his support for John Ashcroft.  He has
>recently modified this, stating that he will support Ashcroft so long
>as he openly proclaims a willingness to fight racial profiling.  The
>NY Times and others have speculated that this stems from a number of
>highly opportunistic political considerations on Torricelli's part,
>including, I think, worries that he may be investigated on matters of
>fundraising.
>
>In any case, Torricelli has a web-based email forum
>http://www.senate.gov/~torricelli/
>
>Also, check out People for the American Way at:
>www.pfaw.org (it might be .com, but I think it's .org)
>
>Jeremy
>
>

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I just filled out a funny contact form on torricelli's web site. it thanked 
me for expressing my views after i pressed "submit". hah!


>From: jagross@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Ashcroft and Torricelli
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:20:19 -0000
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Many of you are probably aware that Senator Torricelli has, in recent
>weeks, openly proclaimed his support for John Ashcroft.  He has
>recently modified this, stating that he will support Ashcroft so long
>as he openly proclaims a willingness to fight racial profiling.  The
>NY Times and others have speculated that this stems from a number of
>highly opportunistic political considerations on Torricelli's part,
>including, I think, worries that he may be investigated on matters of
>fundraising.
>
>In any case, Torricelli has a web-based email forum
>http://www.senate.gov/~torricelli/
>
>Also, check out People for the American Way at:
>www.pfaw.org (it might be .com, but I think it's .org)
>
>Jeremy
>
>

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>From: ARTISTpres@...
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>Subject: Think Tank Frankensteins: Bush's Rainbow Cabinet by R Lederman
>Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:03:50 EST
>
>Think Tank Frankensteins: GW Bush's Rainbow Cabinet
>by Robert Lederman
>
>Frankenstein: (noun) A monster created from incongruous parts.
>
>The media keeps telling us that GW Bush's racially, ethnically
>and gender diverse cabinet proves he is not a bigot. Nothing
>could be further from the truth.
>
>The conservative foundations behind GW's appointees - the
>Heritage Foundation, The Federalist Society, the John M. Olin
>Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Manhattan
>Institute and the Bradley Foundation - have created these think
>tank Frankensteins for a sinister purpose.
>
>African Americans who quote Charles Murray - a eugenicist who
>believes Blacks are genetically inferior; Latinos who oppose the
>minimum wage and believe Spanish should not be spoken in
>America; a Jewish press secretary for a President whose family
>bankrolled Hitler - it is damage control not diversity that
>accounts for these men and women rising to prominence.
>
>The corporate foundations that sponsored these appointees and
>in many cases created their reputations are believers in white
>supremacy and eugenics. Their long range plans for America's
>people of color and for the populations of Third World nations
>could more appropriately be titled "The Final Solution" than
>"Compassionate Conservatism".
>
>These same foundations have insidiously penetrated every aspect
>of American political life. Under the guise of  philanthropy they
>now financially sponsor virtually all the television shows on PBS
>dealing with political, religious or educational issues, dominate
>talk radio and supply the vast majority of the "experts" on
>network news programs or quoted in mainstream newspapers.
>
>Scientific Racism
>An ideological blitzkrieg is being waged with social scientists
>bankrolled by corporations with a eugenics viewpoint as
>front-line troops. Unlike the KKK or other openly racist groups,
>the organizations backing Bush and his appointees are made up
>of educated people who sponsor seminars and publish scholarly
>books rather than burning crosses. That's why eugenics is called,
>scientific racism.
>
>Behind the foundations that financed the research and the
>widespread - often free - distribution of these social scientists'
>books you will find white supremacists, defense contractors,
>pharmaceutical companies with ties to IG Farben, former Nazis
>and advocates for depopulating much of the world. Their
>obsession with birthrates and IQ scores among people of color is
>tied to ideas about national security and so-called
>anti-communism. For three generations the Bush family has been
>centrally involved in these efforts. [See Bush, Abortion and
>Racial Eugenics  http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/  ]
>
>Many of these think tanks and foundations have close ties to the
>CIA and defense contractors. That the extreme right in America
>claims to be based on the teachings of Jesus and the Bible is
>nothing new; the 19th century defenders of slavery made the
>exact same claims. To understand the Bush administration it is
>the Bell Curve, not the Bible, that you need to look at.
>
>The Bell Curve and GW Bush
>The works of Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve and
>Losing Ground, are held up by many of Bush's staff and advisors
>as key texts justifying their agenda of privatizing schools,
>eliminating welfare and turning social programs over to
>faith-based charities. From Murray we can trace a common theme
>running throughout the entire GW Bush administration.
>
>Being in favor of school vouchers and eliminating welfare or
>being against affirmative action does not in itself make somebody
>a racist - but if someone is sponsored by racists, associates with
>racists and writes approvingly of racists then one's advocacy on
>these issues should be interpreted in that light.
>
>Here is what Scientific American had to say about Murray's The
>Bell Curve:      http://www.kwaku.org/rm/sciam2.htm
>SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN January 1995 Volume 272 Number 1
>Page 14   For Whom the Bell Curve Really Tolls:
>A tendentious tome abuses science to promote far-right policies-
>"The arguments stem from the same tradition of biological
>determinism that led, not so long ago, to compulsory
>sterilizations in the U.S. and genocide elsewhere. The notion is
>that individuals' characteristics are both essentially fixed by
>inheritance and immune to alteration by the environment. Efforts
>to help those who are unfortunate by reason of their genes are
>unlikely to be rewarded. Solutions, therefore, should include
>those Murray has long advocated: abolish welfare, reduce
>affirmative action and simplify criminal law."
>
>Among the many Bush cabinet appointees and advisors
>associated with Murray's ideas are Stephen Goldsmith, Tommy
>Thompson, Elaine Chou, Myron Magnet, Marvin Olasky, Linda
>Chavez, Karl Rove, Floyd Flake, Spencer Abraham and various
>members of the Bush family - including former President Bush.
>
>The CIA Connection to Scientific Racism
>Charles Murray wrote The Bell Curve during eight years as a
>research fellow at The Manhattan Institute, a think tank founded
>by Reagan's CIA director William Casey. After WWII Casey and
>other US officials who had business ties with the Third Reich
>helped bring thousands of former Nazis to the U.S. - supposedly
>to fight communism but in reality to help firmly establish
>corporate fascism - which they have been very successful at.
>
>These were not just the atom bomb scientists most people are
>familiar with but specialists in eugenics, propaganda, using
>pharmaceuticals for social control and research on genetics -
>much of which was done in Nazi concentration camps. Many of
>these men also had extensive experience in rounding up Jews,
>Slavs and other ethnic minorities to be exterminated.
>
>These former Nazis became a core group within the
>newly-formed CIA and many of them later became key aides to
>the Republican Party and former President Bush [Philadelphia
>Inquirer 9/10/98 "Fired Bush backer one of several with possible
>Nazi  links," September 10, 1988; Washington Post Friday,
>September 16, 1988 ; Page A16 "Behind Scenes, Damage
>Control Has Become Vital Weapon for Bush"].
>
>The CIA's first director, Allen Dulles, was legal counsel for
>Standard Oil/IG Farben and worked closely with Prescott Bush,
>Averil Harriman and Rockefeller in helping to finance the Third
>Reich. Many of the corporations that sided with Hitler during
>WWII are well-represented in GW Bush's administration today.
>
>Funding for Charles Murray at the MI (Manhattan Institute)
>came primarily from the Pioneer Fund - the nation's #1 eugenics
>think tank, which is associated with Nazi Germany and three
>generations of the Bush family. A number of GW's election
>lawyers are associated with the fund and most of the
>"scholarship" quoted in the Bell Curve was also funded by the
>Pioneer Fund.
>
>MI is financed by Wall Street investment bankers and oil and
>pharmaceutical companies, many of which - like the
>Rockefellers' Chase Manhattan Bank - have direct historical ties
>to Nazi Germany, eugenics and IG Farben - which was half
>owned by Rockefeller. While MI's focus on race is evident from
>a visit to their website an even larger part of their efforts are
>related to the issues of population control and national security.
>
>Many of GW Bush's advisors are research fellows, directors or
>regular guest speakers at The Manhattan Institute including
>Myron Magnet, Stephen Goldsmith, Floyd Flake, Linda Chavez
>and Tommy Thompson - and frequently appear alongside their
>colleague, Charles Murray, in seminars on eliminating welfare.
>
>Sharing a similar origin with Bush's cabinet appointees, GW's
>"compassionate conservatism" was created by the
>CIA/Manhattan Institute's Myron Magnet and Marvin Olasky. In
>the intro to Olasky's latest book GW Bush calls him,
>"compassionate conservatism's leading thinker." After
>successively abandoning Judaism, atheism, membership in the
>Communist Party and sixties-style idealism, Olasky became a
>fundamentalist Christian. Like many in Bush's circle, Olasky
>now believes poverty is caused by a lack of moral values among
>the poor rather than by a built-in system of social inequality. The
>Redeemer, a church he founded in Austin Texas, teaches that
>women have no place in leadership. His theories on the poor
>were central to Newt Gingrich's Contract With America [Dallas
>Morning News, NY Times, UK Guardian, AP].
>
>On their website MI supports Jesse Helms, imprisoning low-level
>drug offenders, eliminating virtually all government regulations,
>censorship, opening wilderness areas to oil and gas drilling,
>turning over all social services to faith-based charities,
>privatizing prisons, hospitals, parks, streets and schools and
>school vouchers - in short the entire GW Bush political agenda.
>
>Americans who like the Victorian idea of charities rather than
>taxes providing a social safety net forget that before welfare,
>social security or Medicaid all social services in America were
>supplied by faith-based charities. While these groups did good
>work they were never up to the task of helping so many poor,
>disabled, sick and elderly people or millions of children who
>more often than not were left to fend for themselves or starve.
>
>Charles Murray was a consultant for Bush's Sec. of Health and
>Human Services, Tommy Thompson, and  is favorably quoted by
>Linda Chavez on her organizations' website - The Center for
>Equal Opportunity. Murray also sits on panel discussions about
>eliminating welfare with two African American conservatives
>almost picked for cabinet positions - Eloise Anderson and Floyd
>Flake. The websites of Anderson's organization, Claremont
>Institute, like that of Flake's Manhattan Institute, contain
>numerous laudatory quotes about Charles Murray.
>
>Linda Chavez was a research fellow at the CIA's Manhattan
>Institute during 1993 and 1994 receiving almost $200,000 in
>grants from the John M. Olin Foundation, a right-wing fund
>derived from a family business in munitions and chemicals with
>roots in white supremacy. If she hadn't been  unceremoniously
>dumped by Bush her anti-union, anti-affirmative action,
>anti-Spanish language and anti-minimum wage ideas would have
>created plenty of controversy on their own.
>
>Elaine Chao, Bush's Asian-American replacement for Chavez, is
>a fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank
>with direct connections to former Nazis and white supremacists.
>After doing a search on the Heritage foundation's website I found
>almost 100 references to Charles Murray - all of them positive.
>Chao is also allegedly linked to China's President Jiang Zemin
>via longstanding business and family ties [source: Voice of
>America; WorldNetDaily.com].
>.> Bush Picks Chao for Labor Post (AP) 1/12/2001 "Chao is a
>fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank."<
>
>Charles Murray is also a regular speaker for the Federalist
>Society - co-founded by Bush energy appointee Spencer
>Abraham - an ultraconservative legal advocacy group dedicated to
>eliminating affirmative action, welfare, bilingual education and
>the right to sue the government. Supreme Court Justices Scalia
>and Thomas (next to Colin Powell Thomas is America's highest
>ranking affirmative action recipient) are prominent members of
>the Federalist Society, which is funded by the John M. Olin
>Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation and the Bradley
>Foundation - far right foundations linked to racism and eugenics.
>
>Stephen Goldsmith, a leading Manhattan Institute fellow, is GW
>Bush's top domestic policy advisor. Here's part of his
>introduction to a symposium on welfare at the Manhattan
>Institute in April 1999 featuring Charles Murray:
>
> > "Education and Welfare: Meeting the Challenge
>A Message from CCI Chairman, Mayor Stephen Goldsmith
>[CCI is a division of Manhattan Institute]
>America is in the midst of an urban renaissance...CCI’s April
>conference “Next Steps in Welfare Reform” highlighted just how
>far we’ve come. The conference brought together public officials
>like Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson and scholars like
>Dr. Charles Murray to discuss how governments and private
>groups have reduced dependency and increased
>self-sufficiency...Fifteen years after the Manhattan Institute
>published Charles Murray’s landmark study of American welfare
>policy, Losing Ground, the presentations showed that ideas once
>seen as radical now form the mainstream of the welfare debate."
>
>Among the panelists alongside Murray and Goldsmith was Jason
>Turner, former head of Wisconsin's welfare program. Turner later
>became infamous as head of NYC's abusive workfare system
>after quoting the motto over the gates of Auschwitz - "Arbeit
>Macht Frei - work shall make you free" [NY Times 6/27/98].
>
>The Bush family represent three generations of eugenics
>aristocracy. Their extensive political dynasty continues a family
>tradition begun in the 1930's when Prescott Bush and his
>corporate friends financed the Third Reich.
>
>No concentration camps will be needed this time around. Thanks
>to modern science - much of which is derived from Nazi
>Germany - vaccines, pesticides, chemtrails,
>genetically-engineered foods, DNA technology and new chemical
>methods of sterilization and birth control are all that will be
>required to carry out the population control goals of eugenics.
>
>What's really inclusive about the GW Bush administration's
>agenda? This time around a lot more people will be included on
>the list for elimination - or as corporate America prefers to call it
>- downsizing.
>
>LINKS TO INFORMATION IN THIS ARTICLE:
>  NY Times Monday, May 12, 1997 Manhattan Institute Has
>Nudged New York Rightward
>"...the institute was founded as a free-market education and
>research organization by William Casey, who then went off to
>head the Central Intelligence Agency in the Reagan
>Administration."
>
>NY Times  June 12, 2000 Bush Culls Campaign Theme From
>Conservative Thinkers “Gov. George W. Bush has said his
>political views have been shaped by the work of Myron Magnet
>of the Manhattan Institute.”
>
>From the MI website: Books That Influenced Gov. George W.
>Bush  Myron Magnet's The Dream and the Nightmare: "Referring
>to this book, Gov. Bush has said, other than the Bible, that it was
>the most important book he had read..."
>
>The Bell Curve and the Pioneer Fund
>http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/049.html
>http://www.fair.org/extra/9501/bell.html
>http://www.marmoset.com/60minute/Webnav/eugen.html
>
>The Heritage Foundation
>http://www.corporations.org/coors/
>http://alant.purespace.de/anti.html
>http://www.watch.pair.com/heritage.html
>
>Corporate America's Nazi connection
>http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Binion122100/
>binion122100.html
>http://www.capnasty.org/taf/issue7/elkhorn1.htm
>
>To access thousands of web sites with detailed information on
>the Bush/Nazi connection go to a good search engine such as>
>http://www.google.com/  and type in Bush AND Nazi.
>
>Bush financial misconduct
>http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bushboys.html
>Who funded GW Bush?
>http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/Bush/bush17.html
>
>FAIR on John Ashcroft and race
>http://www.fair.org/press-releases/southern-partisan.html
>
>Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T.
>(Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics)
>ARTISTpres@...  (718) 743-3722
>Bush, Eugenics, Giuliani, Manhattan Institute info
>http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/
>Street artist info
>http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html
>
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>=========================
>
>"I went out to play golf, and it just didn't dawn on me that
>when I came to the hole on the road, there would be 300
>people there. And it affected my swing, I want you to know."
>
>- GEORGE W. BUSH,
>
January 14, 2001
In His First Days, Bush Plans Review of Clinton's Acts
By DAVID E. SANGER and FRANK BRUNI


RAWFORD, Tex., Jan. 12 � President-elect George W. Bush said today that he 
planned to review and possibly roll back some of the most ambitious 
initiatives that President Clinton has taken in recent days, including 
regulations that put nearly 60 million acres of the nation's forests off 
limits to development.

"I understand the Western mentality, and I want the Western mentality 
represented in this administration," Mr. Bush said of his own land use 
policies. In an interview, he emphasized that "we've got lawyers looking at 
every single issue, every single opportunity" to reverse actions Mr. Clinton 
has taken in the waning weeks of his presidency.

He also described what could well become a new, tougher approach toward 
Russia, limiting aid for its conversion to a market economy, and he 
elaborated on several other foreign policy issues. Previewing one of the 
most closely watched decisions he will face in his first month in office, he 
signaled that he was inclined to use an executive order to stop the flow of 
American money to any international organizations that provide abortions in 
foreign countries.

"Organizations that promote abortions are organizations I don't want to 
support" with American taxpayer dollars, Mr. Bush said.

Mr. Bush's remarks came in a 75-minute interview in his renovated farmhouse 
here, followed by less formal conversation during a 90-minute tour of his 
ranch and a hike up a limestone canyon to his favorite waterfall.

Along the way � stopping at moments to admire the middle fork of the Bosque 
River rushing through his land or to point out a buzzard � the man who will 
become the 43rd president of the United States on Saturday also talked about 
his legislative priorities, his Inaugural Address and the diplomatic 
troubles he anticipates with Moscow and Beijing over his plans to deploy a 
national missile defense system.

Mr. Bush was dismissive of the Clinton administration's eight-year-long use 
of direct financial aid to Russia, part of a broad Western effort to coax 
the country toward a market economy. He suggested he would try to stop the 
money � except for that used to dismantle nuclear weapons � until Vladimir 
V. Putin, the Russian president, cleaned up corruption and enacted 
far-reaching economic and legal reforms.

"It's hard for America to fashion Russia," Mr. Bush said. "It just seems 
like to me that we don't want to be lending money and/or encourage the 
lending of money into a system in which the intention of the capital is 
never fulfilled," he said. "The intent of the capital was to encourage 
entrepreneurship and growth and markets."

According to the General Accounting Office, the United States has spent 
roughly $2.3 billion since 1992 promoting democracy, the rule of law and 
market reforms in Russia, but the annual disbursements have tailed off 
steeply since the Russian financial crisis of 1998. The International 
Monetary Fund and the World Bank, institutions in which the United States is 
the largest single shareholder, have issued loans to Russia over the same 
period worth approximately $30 billion.

Taken together, Mr. Bush's comments amounted to a sketchy road map for his 
first 100 days in office. By making it clear that he would rigorously review 
Mr. Clinton's environmental orders and suggesting he might reverse the 
Clinton administration's position on aid to family planning groups working 
overseas, he was embracing some favorite causes of his conservative base, 
especially the Western states he called "that big swath of red on the map" � 
a region of contiguous states he swept as he took the presidency in the 
narrowest of victories.

In the case of reversing President Clinton's forest policy, which was made 
final this month, after years of painstaking review and public comment, Mr. 
Bush would face many legal restraints. He acknowledged that his lawyers 
would have to look carefully at what options were open.

His comments on Russia, if converted into policy, could lead to a 
fundamental change in the way the United States seeks to influence the 
behavior of a nation that was once its chief superpower rival � and it risks 
heightening suspicions in Russia of how America is leveraging its economic 
and military power.

In the interview, Mr. Bush also made the following points:

�He said his Inaugural Address, which he hopes to keep to a short 12 
minutes, would carry the message that "we can be a unified America." But he 
insisted that this theme was not the product of his slim victory in the 
Electoral College and loss in the popular vote.

�Mr. Bush said he planned to quickly introduce his plan to cut taxes by an 
amount now estimated at $1.6 trillion over the next 10 years as a single 
bill, perhaps modifying it to deepen the tax cuts in the next few years so 
that it could spur a slowing economy. Asked if he was willing to negotiate 
the size of his proposed tax cut with a sharply divided Congress, he shot 
back: "The answer is no. I think it's the right number."

�He suggested he might be willing to pick up on Mr. Clinton's framework for 
a deal with North Korea to control its production and export of missiles but 
said it must include provisions to "verify that they are upholding their end 
of the agreement." If North Korea no longer threatens its neighbors, he 
said, he would "take a look" at reducing American troops on the Korean 
Peninsula, but only in consultation with South Korea and other Asian allies.

�Mr. Bush acknowledged that the economic sanctions imposed on Iraq since the 
Persian Gulf war have so collapsed that "they resemble Swiss cheese." But 
while he was critical of Mr. Clinton's handling of Iraq, he declined to say 
what tools he might use to pressure Saddam Hussein.

�Mr. Bush said he may have erred in commenting on the Federal Reserve's 
action early this month to cut interest rates, and suggested that to 
preserve the Fed's independence he would not publicly evaluate its actions 
as president. "I kind of read the feedback and tended to agree with it, 
frankly," he said of the criticism he received for enthusiastically backing 
the half-point cut in short-term rates.

From Ranch to Frying Pan

Throughout the conversation Mr. Bush looked relaxed. He was clearly enjoying 
a day off puttering around his ranch, brewing coffee for visitors and 
interrupting the conversation repeatedly to admonish his two friendly but 
occasionally disobedient dogs, Spot and Barney. But he leaned forward and 
turned intent when the subject turned to his choice for attorney general, 
former Senator John Ashcroft, a religious conservative who he said he knew 
"could end up being a lightning rod" for criticism.

He said he expected that Mr. Ashcroft's confirmation hearings, which begin 
on Tuesday, would be focused on the designee's comments on civil rights, his 
fierce opposition to abortion and comments he made supporting leaders of the 
Southern side of the Civil War. "They are going to dig up every word the guy 
uttered," Mr. Bush said. "He's going to get to explain them. He explained 
many of the words he uttered to me."

The president-elect professed to be unfazed by the withdrawal this week of 
his choice for labor secretary, Linda Chavez, who had failed to tell the 
Bush transition team that she had once had an illegal immigrant live in her 
home and perform occasional house chores. Mr. Bush would not say that he had 
been misled by Ms. Chavez, but noted, "She said she made mistakes," and he 
seemed to agree with that assessment.

Mr. Bush described his cabinet as "a very strong group of folks," made 
stronger by their extensive experience in government.

"I'm always mindful of what Sam Rayburn told Lyndon Johnson when he first 
saw the Kennedy administration," he said, referring to the famously gruff 
former speaker of the House. "He said, `Gosh, I just wish one of them had 
run for sheriff.' " And that's why I'm very comfortable with an Ashcroft or 
a Norton. They not only ran for sheriff, they ran for statewide offices."

Talking like a professor of management at Harvard Business School � which he 
attended decades ago � he said he was working hard to turn his cabinet 
choices into a cohesive team that is accustomed to his own style. In his two 
visits to Washington in recent weeks, he noted, he was "spending time with 
the folks, just watching everybody interact and letting them see how I 
respond and my style. I want them to see the decision-making process and how 
it works." He wanted, he insisted, no yes-men or yes-women.

"Here's loyalty," he said. "Loyalty is somebody who walked into my office 
and says, `Here is my opinion,' or `I hear you are thinking this way. I 
don't agree with you.' " He made it clear, however, that once he had chosen 
his path, he expected his cabinet members to voice unanimous support for his 
decisions in public.

At one point Mr. Bush said that he had cautioned his press secretary, Ari 
Fleischer, that at times he would withhold information so that Mr. Fleischer 
could truthfully profess ignorance to reporters � hardly a new strategy for 
occupants of the White House. Mr. Bush recalled telling Mr. Fleischer 
recently, "When I tell you you are not going to know something, you say, 
`Yes, sir.' "

`I Love Land'

Mr. Bush made little effort to hide his interest in reversing some of Mr. 
Clinton's recent executive orders and rules. But he cautioned that his aides 
were still researching whether reversals would be legally or politically 
possible, noting at one point that some of his actions would require 
legislation and "it doesn't take much to block action in the United States 
Senate," where there are now 50 Republicans and 50 Democrats.

Mr. Bush's views on the administration's recently completed effort to block 
the development of roadless areas of federal lands, essentially putting 
those areas off limits to loggers and oil drillers, was complex. Mr. Bush 
himself clearly treasures his natural surroundings � "I love land," he said 
while driving around the 1,600 acres he acquired in 1999 � but he 
instinctively bridles at the thought that the federal government would trump 
local officials or private landholders in deciding how that land should be 
used.

"What I would seek to do is to make sure that our bureaucracies were not 
trampling the interest of the people � and the president himself would work 
with local stakeholders before takings � such as what the president has done 
with the roadless areas, for example." The word "takings" is used to 
describe government action to limit the use of land, with minimal or no 
compensation.

"The concept of the federal government taking people's property without 
compensation is something I agree with Gale Norton on," he said. "It should 
not. There ought to be a balance between obviously the public interest and 
private property. And a lot of people in my state and in the Western states 
feel that balance is not there."

He reiterated his determination to drill for oil in the Arctic National 
Wildlife Refuge and said: "People shouldn't be shocked that I'm picking 
somebody who agrees with me. That's what a president does."

But he stopped short of saying that he would reverse the forest policy 
wholesale, suggesting he would consult with "governors and senators and 
local folks" to determine which lands should remain off limits and which 
should be developed. "There's going to be some property in these giant 
chunks of land that we can use and not damage the environment," he said. 
"There are some in this country that have wanted zero exploration or zero 
activity. And I just don't think it's in our national interest to take that 
approach."

He was more definitive about his opposition to federal aid for family 
planning groups that promote or perform abortions abroad. One of Mr. 
Clinton's very first acts, two days into his presidency in 1993, was to sign 
an executive order scuttling a Reagan-era policy that prohibited these 
private organizations from receiving public funds.

Under a compromise reached in October to avoid a confrontation between 
Congressional Republicans and Mr. Clinton, Congress allocated $425 million 
for such family planning activities � but said it could not be spent until 
Feb. 15. That clears the way for Mr. Bush to return to the Reagan policy, 
and while he said that he had not yet thoroughly reviewed the matter, he 
suggested he was inclined to head in that direction.

He also gave a sense of his other priorities, suggesting that in addition to 
education reform legislation and his tax bill, "we may be able to move a 
little faster on Medicare" reforms, including prescription drug coverage for 
elderly Americans. But he tacitly conceded that an overhaul of Social 
Security, a major subject of debate in the campaign, would take time.

Looking Abroad

In discussing foreign policy, Mr. Bush again said he would not allow 
American military forces to engage in what he called "nation-building" � 
converting countries to stable democracies � because it was a distraction 
from their main mission. That was a critical difference with Vice President 
Al Gore, who repeatedly cited the experience of American forces in helping 
remake Japan and Germany after World War II.

He said allies in Europe were "very aware" of his desire to gradually reduce 
America's presence in Kosovo and Bosnia, and said Secretary of 
State-designate Colin L. Powell would make it clear that Washington wanted 
Europe "to be the peacekeepers." (In fact, the United States provides less 
than 20 percent of the peacekeeping forces in the Balkans.) But, Mr. Bush 
said, "I don't have deadlines in mind" and "I honor the agreements that the 
president has � that our country has made."

"It's going to take a while" to pull back, he said.

He endorsed much of Mr. Clinton's core strategy toward China, using economic 
engagement to promote more freedom, but he seemed unable to decide whether 
China posed more of a threat to the United States because of its growing 
military strength or its internal weaknesses.

"I'm trying to figure out if your question is a trick question," he said 
with a smile. After a digression on the chaos brought about by the Cultural 
Revolution, he concluded, "To me, particularly as China develops as the 
military power, a chaotic China would be something that should cause great 
concern to people in the region and to us."

He said he was prepared for objections from Moscow and Beijing to his plan 
to build a national missile defense, but he insisted it should not be seen 
by either capital as a threat.

"We've just got to explain why we are doing what we are doing," he said. 
"The Chinese know and the Russians know that there will be no system 
developed in the immediate future or the foreseeable future, is a better 
word, that can conceivably intercept a multiple launch" of missiles at the 
United States.

"You know that. They know that," he said. His real intent, he said, was to 
intercept an accidental launching of one or two nuclear weapons, or to 
deprive "some nation like Iran to eventually say to us, `And we've got one 
aimed at Israel.' " He would not discuss what kind of incentive he might 
offer China or Russia to accept the system, other than decreasing the size 
of America's own nuclear missile fleet. And how many warheads could he 
eliminate from America's arsenal?

"That's what we are going to find out," he said.

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Hey everyone- Please try to make this event.  Sorry about late notice, but 
that's how it goes in these parts.  I'm working on an extensive digital 
slide presentation of civil rights images that will become the backdrop to 
their stage.  (Oh, I also figured out how you can actually produce work in 2 
and 3 different time zones simultaneously, thereby increasing your output 
capacity geometrically.  Cost you a buck to find out.)  See you tomorrow 
night.  Matthew


>From: Elisabeth Ssenjovu <essenjovu@...>
>Reply-To: motherlandcollective@egroups.com
>To: motherlandcollective@egroups.com
>Subject: [motherlandcollective] King and the Mountain @ The Priory, Wed. 
>Jan 17
>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:56:32 -0800 (PST)
>
>Halim Suliman will join Amiri & Amina Baraka and Blue
>Ark in a dramatic reading of Amiri Baraka's play
>"King and the Mountain" at the Priory
>
>Wednesday, January 17
>7:00PM
>
>The Priory
>215 West Market St.
>Newark, NJ  January 17, 2001
>
>Admission $5.00
>
>Exit 14, Tpk N, signs to Rt 21 N & over bridge, left onto Market St. (train 
>Station to to the right) Past Broad St, Up hill and West Market forks off 
>to right. Priory is old Church on Right with Restaurant awning.


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January 17, 2001

By LYNDA RICHARDSON

With the recent firings of staff members and the changing of locks in
the night, it has been suggested by dissenting voices that the
leftist, noncommercial radio station WBAI is having an Alexander
Haig moment.

 In this case, the general who swooped in to take charge is Utrice
Leid, a regal native of Trinidad with a big, booming voice and big
earrings of silver and onyx that match the heavy ring on her
finger.

 Ms. Leid, host of the station's popular afternoon show,
"Talkback," became interim general manager on Dec. 22, after WBAI's
parent group, the Pacifica Foundation of Washington, dismissed the
longtime station manager, Valerie Van Isler; the program director,
Bernard White; and the union steward, Sharan Harper. Ms. Leid and
Bessie Wash, Pacifica's executive director, had the station's locks
changed. Then Ms. Leid went on the air in the early morning to
announce a change in management, and that she was it.

 "The funny thing in my life, it's kind of consistent with my life,
is I end up doing things because I am drafted," Ms. Leid said with
a hearty laugh the other day, poised and relaxed behind a desk
cluttered high with papers and books on the 10th floor of a Wall
Street high-rise.

 A few days into her new job, Ms. Leid, 47, proclaimed that she
loved it. "I look forward to being tested," she said. "In every
moment that I've been tested, I've found that I've been equal or
even superior to the task."

 To say that there is tension at WBAI is to put it mildly. Turmoil
over the firings has divided listeners and staff members at WBAI,
one of five affiliates of the tiny nonprofit Pacifica network,
which was founded in 1946 by pacifists and conscientious objectors.
There have been protests and vigils. Staff members hint darkly
about a hit list, and speculate about who may be next.

 Ms. Leid seems impervious to the unpleasant things said about her,
that she is vindictive, for instance, and that her participation in
the shake-up is revenge against Ms. Van Isler for not hiring her as
program director last year. Ms. Leid says changes are long overdue,
because the station needs to broaden its audience and become more
relevant.

 "It's best to describe what it used to be," she said in the
teacherly tone she used on her talk show to analyze a speech or
quiz her listeners on vocabulary. "It was depressing. It was
suffocating. It was frustrating. It inhibited creativity. It was
badly managed and horribly organized. At the same time, it was also
rife with great possibility and potential."

 But does it strike Ms. Leid as odd for a station that has prided
itself on its democratic functioning to have security guards now?
She explains that the security detail is merely a volunteer force,
friends of hers and the station's.

 "It became clear to many of us that it was planned that the
station would be seized and occupied," she said. "That was the
plan, and in some cases, there were utterances about destroying
equipment and doing harm to the station. We are in a heightened
state of awareness because of this crisis, which is a case of
manufactured dissent."

 DRESSED in a pinstriped shirt, a dark navy blazer and gray slacks,
Ms. Leid is a large woman with milk-chocolate-brown skin and
short-cropped hair. She is clearly comfortable with herself at
center stage. As a girl in Trinidad, she represented her Roman
Catholic school in debates and essay contests. She was also picked
to present bouquets to visiting royalty.

 Ms. Leid was one of nine children, with seven brothers and one
sister. She grew up expecting to be involved in business like her
parents. Her mother owned a restaurant in Trinidad, and her father
owned a variety of businesses, including a movie theater, a grocery
store and a bar.

 Her interest in journalism began in 1973, after her father died of
a heart attack. She went to be with her grieving mother in
Trinidad, which was shakily recovering from a coup attempt. During
her yearlong stay, she researched how people were reacting to the
coup attempt, thinking it would make a good book.

 But one day, machine-gun-toting men appeared at her home and
confiscated her 700 pages of notes, saying her project was
subversive. "It was kind of scary to have men surround the home,"
she recalled matter-of-factly, making one wonder if she might have
scared them.

 Returning to New York, Ms. Leid found a job as a receptionist at
The Amsterdam News. But after a six- month stint at that
black-owned newspaper, she had grander dreams. Along with an
Amsterdam News colleague, she began a small news service to provide
news media outlets with articles with an African-American focus.
The news service lasted about four years.

 Ms. Leid, who is single and lives in Brooklyn Heights, has always
been drawn to nonmainstream news media. She said they offered a
chance to do journalism that might otherwise not get done. In 1984,
she helped create The City Sun, a black-owned newspaper, and was
its managing editor for eight years. She said she left in part
because the paper was lying about its circulation figures to get
better advertising rates.

 Since 1993, Ms. Leid has worked at WBAI. She concedes that these
are not normal times. But she is convinced that things will settle
down soon. Meanwhile, she is unapologetic. 

 "I've never been concerned about whether people like me or don't
like me," she said, "but I will not allow anyone to disrespect me."

        


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just so you know..

Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director
Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme
for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises
Again."

from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara!
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kristina,

You should be clear that your posting was refering to a spoof. A few people 
have suggested that it appears as if you sent it as a real news report when 
it is from the NYT OP-ED.

Frank


Kristina's text follows below:

just so you know..

Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director
Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme
for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises
Again."

from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara!

my apologies to the egroups: the quotation i sent around a few days ago 
about the inauguration was a joke. I should have made that clear. However, i 
agree wholeheartedly with the spirit of the essay...


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>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] oh my
>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:07:48 EST
>
>
>
>Kristina,
>
>You should be clear that your posting was refering to a spoof. A few people
>have suggested that it appears as if you sent it as a real news report when
>it is from the NYT OP-ED.
>
>Frank
>
>
>Kristina's text follows below:
>
>just so you know..
>
>Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director
>Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme
>for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises
>Again."
>
>from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara!

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>To: photochainb@...
>Subject: Fwd: silent auction fundraiser for Chai project in new brunswick
>Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:35:03 -0800 (PST)
>
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Hi
For all those interested, Keith and I are having a SuperBowl party at our 
house, 136 Baldwin Street, NB next Sunday (1/28). 6pm. See you then! BYOB.
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>To: FAIR-L@...
>Subject: [FAIR-L] ACTION ALERT: Ignoring Reality at the Inauguration
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:17:01 -0500
>
>                                  FAIR-L
>                     Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
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>
>ACTION ALERT:
>IGNORING REALITY AT THE INAUGURATION
>New York Times Stresses "Legitimacy" Over Democracy
>
>January 22, 2001
>
>The New York Times editorial the day after George W. Bush's inauguration 
>("A
>Vision of Unity," 1/21/01) predicted, based on the inaugural address, that
>Bush could "lift the nation to a new era of inclusion and social justice,"
>and found room to describe how "the gloomy light of a winter's day was
>offset by splashes of color like Laura Bush's blue coat."
>
>But it didn't find space to mention the most striking feature of the 2001
>inauguration: that it occurred amidst widespread and angry protests
>rejecting the legitimacy of Bush's claim to office, the likes of which have
>not been faced by any modern president.  Along the parade route, he was
>confronted by signs with messages like "Shame," "Bush Lost" and "Hail to 
>the
>Thief." The London Guardian (1/22/01) reported that the inaugural parade
>"fell well short of being triumphant, and on many occasions during its slow
>advance through the drizzle, the sound of jeering drowned out the cheers."
>
>But the front page of the New York Times showcased stories like "Bush,
>Taking Office, Calls for Civility, Compassion and 'Nation of Character';
>Unity Is a Theme" and "Proud Father and Son Bask in History's Glow"-- both
>of which discussed Bush's teary-eyed father while avoiding any mention of
>protesters.
>
>While the Times' news editors could not totally ignore the estimated 20,000
>demonstrators, they did their best to downplay them, placing the one story
>about them ("Protesters in the Thousands Sound Off in the Capitol") on page
>17, the sixth out of eight pages of inauguration coverage. This article
>featured one quote from Rev. Al Sharpton and one from a demonstrator who
>spoke of the "inchoate feeling" that led her to march. This abbreviated
>presentation of the viewpoints of the tens of thousands of anti-Bush
>protesters was "balanced" by another quote from one of the hundred
>anti-abortion activists who demonstrated outside Planned Parenthood's
>offices.
>
>All told, the story measured 15 column inches out of eight full pages of
>inauguration coverage. (It was about three-fourths the length of 
>"Floridians
>of the G.O.P. Savor 'Special Victory,' " on page 18.) The accompanying
>photo, a tiny 2"x3" shot of one of the day's anti-Bush marches, was the 
>only
>one out of 19 inauguration-related photos in the paper to show any sign of
>dissent.
>
>Another inside-pages story, "Echoes of the Past, Near and Far, Are Heard on
>the Capital's Streets," included a lone protester outside the Supreme Court
>building, but presented him as well outnumbered by Republican
>counter-demonstrators singing "God Bless America."
>
>The most telling story of the inauguration package was a front-page news
>analysis headlined "Tradition and Legitimacy: A Nation's Old Rituals Begin
>to Dissolve Lingering Clouds of a Bitter Election Battle." This piece, by
>R.W. Apple, did mention the demonstrations-- in order to minimize their
>significance:
>
>"Arguments about the legitimacy of the Texas governor's victory have
>persisted even as the country accepted the fact that he had won. Thousands
>of the doubtful and disenchanted took to the streets of Washington today in
>angry protest. But the debate is likely to grow softer as the nation grows
>accustomed to pictures of Mr. Bush speaking from the Oval Office, boarding
>Air Force One, accompanied everywhere he goes by the strains of 'Ruffles 
>and
>Flourishes' and 'Hail to the Chief.' In the television age, those images,
>more that anything else, confer the mantle of authority and legitimacy on a
>leader."
>
>The notion that it is media images, not the votes of citizens accurately
>counted, that give legitimacy to a leader is profoundly anti-democratic. 
>The
>media's role in trying to shore up the fragile credibility of the
>establishment was a theme in the most insightful piece in the New York
>Times' inauguration coverage, "Reality of Nation's Divisions Quickly Creeps
>into the Commentary, " by TV critic Caryn James. She notes TV pundits'
>attempt to "retreat into a soothing little bubble where every action they
>observe is majestic and every viewer shares their sense of awe"--a bubble
>that was punctured by "visible evidence of furious protesters along the
>parade route."
>
>Because it was not obliged to present live video footage of that "visible
>evidence," the New York Times was much more successful than the television
>networks in minimizing the fact that tens of thousands of citizens from
>across the country marched on D.C. to reject Bush's assumption of power as
>illegitimate and undemocratic.  The Times left readers with the impression
>that the dominant themes of the day were "Unity," "Tradition" and, above
>all, "Legitimacy."
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>From: Nat Bender <nat@...>
>To: vivaohio@..., buell@..., rstrong@...,   
>jchill512@...
>Subject: Pacific article in Time
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:39:33 -0500
>
>   WBAI Hits The BigTIME!
>Date: 01/22/2001 12:39:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
>From: efsutton@... (Eileen Sutton)
>Sender: worker-savewbai@...
>Reply-to: savewbai@...
>To: NYC-DAN@..., savewbai@...
>
>JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4
>Time Magazine
>
>STEVE LOPEZ'S AMERICA/NEW YORK
>This Just In: We're Fired
>A hostile takeover rocks radio's voice of the left
>BY STEVE LOPEZ
>
>On election day, with a certain relative of his running for the U.S.
>Senate, the Commander in Chief surprised New York radio stations by
>calling with a genial get-out-the-vote message. But Clinton's
>goodwill wagon lost an axle when he called WBAI in Manhattan and was
>put on the air with Amy Goodman, host of a Pacifica Radio program
>called Democracy Now!
>
>Goodman, an award-winning rabble rouser whose show is carried by
>30-some stations, does not have a change-up. She only has fastballs,
>and she throws at the head. For 30 minutes she kept Clinton dancing
>and ducking, at one point accusing him of being responsible for the
>genocide of 5,000 Iraqi children monthly through U.S. sanctions. It
>was vintage Pacifica Radio, the hell-raising, corporate-bashing voice
>of the left for a half-century, with stations in Los Angeles, Houston
>and Washington, in addition to WBAI and the flagship KPFA in
>Berkeley, Calif. But that voice is now being muffled in a way that
>would embarrass the sandal-wearing founders of the nonprofit Pacifica
>Foundation, some of whom now stage their sit-ins in the next life.
>
>Dreaded capitalists have commandeered the ship, speaking the
>bottom-line language of Arbitron ratings and floating the idea of
>raking in millions by selling a station. They literally changed the
>locks and barred several employees from the building at WBAI last
>month, after doing the same thing two years ago at KPFA. The irony is
>richest at WBAI, where the program director and others were fired
>without warning on Dec. 22 in "the Christmas coup." So much for
>"Democracy Now!"
>
>"Many are calling it a political purge," says Goodman, who's been
>feuding with management over what she regards as attempts to turn her
>bark into a yip that would be more palatable to more listeners. She
>has lamented the firings on-air, and 300 loyal listeners marched last
>week demanding that the commercial-free and listener-supported
>station be returned to its rightful owner--them.
>
>And therein the divide. Some of the 18 members of the national board
>want centralized control of a network that would reach a broader
>audience and rival National Public Radio in prestige. That was never
>a goal when the board was thick with community activists from the
>five local boards, who were committed to local programming
>unavailable in the mainstream press. But national-board members are
>now recruited from the business world instead of the protest lines,
>and although they consider themselves progressives, their wiring is
>different.
>
>"Pacifica has 800,000 listeners, and after 50 years of being on the
>air, that's just not good enough," says board chair David Acosta, a
>Houston C.P.A. Vice chairman Ken Ford, an engineer with the
>conservative Housing Trade Association in Washington, says the
>challenge is to honor the social-justice mission while Pacifica
>grows. "But we are a corporation. It's nonprofit, but we have to
>operate as a business."
>
>To Palo Alto, Calif., board member Tomas Moran, it's operating more
>like a totalitarian government. Moran is among six dissenters who
>insist they're being locked out. Matthew Lasar, a professor at the
>University of California at Riverside who wrote a book about
>Pacifica, says the longtime advocate for openness and democracy is
>running itself "in a way that could be described as secrecy and fiat."
>
>The retooling comes after a consultant sniffed that Pacifica's impact
>has gone from "insignificant to irrelevant." If they paid this guy
>25[cents], they were robbed. What's irrelevant is the numbing prattle
>of indistinguishable loudmouths who populate ratings-driven broadcast
>media.
>
>Everything is numbers today. The weekend box office. The President's
>approval ratings. The quarterly profits. For 50 years, there was one
>place where numbers did not exist as a measure of success or as
>validation of purpose. Pacifica broadcasting can be tedious at times,
>with its tie-dyed version of truth and justice. But the voice is
>indignant, probing and unapologetic, and in the age of megamedia
>conglomerization, an alternative view is a necessity.
>
>And I say this as someone who went on WBAI last year knowing I'd be a
>punching bag. I'd written a screed about misguided support for
>convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal and was attacked on-air as a
>lazy corporate-media hack. They were wrong, of course. But they were
>damn good at it.
>
>END
>
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>
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Clayton Reilly, sometime host (and lately "producer") of Wakeup Call on 
WBAI, was ranting and raving this morning about how there is an impossible 
series of splits within the ranks of staff and listeners.

He called the staff (who is mostly volunteer activists) 'non-existent'.  He 
constantly alluded to racist statements by 'enemies' of him and of a 'cabal' 
secretly organized to bash himself, Bessie Wash (sellout head of pacifica) 
and Utrice Leid (sellout scab station mgr. who locked out program director 
Bernard White and union shop steward Sharan Harper).

His constant portrayal of the splits between station advocates leading to 
subsequent reasoning for LIQUIDATION OF THE STATION!!!!! this morning can 
only mean that Reilly is representing the corporate takeover people who've 
infiltrated the board and seek to turn Pacifica into the NPR/Kenny G 
Network.

Tomorrow there will be a 'Report to the Listener' given by Leid and Bessie 
Wash.  I think it'll be during the morning show, probably between 7:30 and 
9am.  Things don't sound good.  I recommend people seek out BAI advocates 
and ask how they can contribute.  There are several legal actions in the 
works over this illegal union-busting takeover at the station, as well as 
weekly protests.  The station may be taken down at any time, as Reilly's 
hostile shutout of Mimi Rosenberg, a loud voice for free speech at BAI 
shows.  Among other things.

I'm going to attempt the websites from memory. Do something to help...

www.savepacifica.net is one site, their are others linked to it.

Paul



>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: Pacific article in Time
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:06:59
>
>
>
>
> >From: Nat Bender <nat@...>
> >To: vivaohio@..., buell@..., rstrong@...,
> >jchill512@...
> >Subject: Pacific article in Time
> >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:39:33 -0500
> >
> >   WBAI Hits The BigTIME!
> >Date: 01/22/2001 12:39:07 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >From: efsutton@... (Eileen Sutton)
> >Sender: worker-savewbai@...
> >Reply-to: savewbai@...
> >To: NYC-DAN@..., savewbai@...
> >
> >JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4
> >Time Magazine
> >
> >STEVE LOPEZ'S AMERICA/NEW YORK
> >This Just In: We're Fired
> >A hostile takeover rocks radio's voice of the left
> >BY STEVE LOPEZ
> >
> >On election day, with a certain relative of his running for the U.S.
> >Senate, the Commander in Chief surprised New York radio stations by
> >calling with a genial get-out-the-vote message. But Clinton's
> >goodwill wagon lost an axle when he called WBAI in Manhattan and was
> >put on the air with Amy Goodman, host of a Pacifica Radio program
> >called Democracy Now!
> >
> >Goodman, an award-winning rabble rouser whose show is carried by
> >30-some stations, does not have a change-up. She only has fastballs,
> >and she throws at the head. For 30 minutes she kept Clinton dancing
> >and ducking, at one point accusing him of being responsible for the
> >genocide of 5,000 Iraqi children monthly through U.S. sanctions. It
> >was vintage Pacifica Radio, the hell-raising, corporate-bashing voice
> >of the left for a half-century, with stations in Los Angeles, Houston
> >and Washington, in addition to WBAI and the flagship KPFA in
> >Berkeley, Calif. But that voice is now being muffled in a way that
> >would embarrass the sandal-wearing founders of the nonprofit Pacifica
> >Foundation, some of whom now stage their sit-ins in the next life.
> >
> >Dreaded capitalists have commandeered the ship, speaking the
> >bottom-line language of Arbitron ratings and floating the idea of
> >raking in millions by selling a station. They literally changed the
> >locks and barred several employees from the building at WBAI last
> >month, after doing the same thing two years ago at KPFA. The irony is
> >richest at WBAI, where the program director and others were fired
> >without warning on Dec. 22 in "the Christmas coup." So much for
> >"Democracy Now!"
> >
> >"Many are calling it a political purge," says Goodman, who's been
> >feuding with management over what she regards as attempts to turn her
> >bark into a yip that would be more palatable to more listeners. She
> >has lamented the firings on-air, and 300 loyal listeners marched last
> >week demanding that the commercial-free and listener-supported
> >station be returned to its rightful owner--them.
> >
> >And therein the divide. Some of the 18 members of the national board
> >want centralized control of a network that would reach a broader
> >audience and rival National Public Radio in prestige. That was never
> >a goal when the board was thick with community activists from the
> >five local boards, who were committed to local programming
> >unavailable in the mainstream press. But national-board members are
> >now recruited from the business world instead of the protest lines,
> >and although they consider themselves progressives, their wiring is
> >different.
> >
> >"Pacifica has 800,000 listeners, and after 50 years of being on the
> >air, that's just not good enough," says board chair David Acosta, a
> >Houston C.P.A. Vice chairman Ken Ford, an engineer with the
> >conservative Housing Trade Association in Washington, says the
> >challenge is to honor the social-justice mission while Pacifica
> >grows. "But we are a corporation. It's nonprofit, but we have to
> >operate as a business."
> >
> >To Palo Alto, Calif., board member Tomas Moran, it's operating more
> >like a totalitarian government. Moran is among six dissenters who
> >insist they're being locked out. Matthew Lasar, a professor at the
> >University of California at Riverside who wrote a book about
> >Pacifica, says the longtime advocate for openness and democracy is
> >running itself "in a way that could be described as secrecy and fiat."
> >
> >The retooling comes after a consultant sniffed that Pacifica's impact
> >has gone from "insignificant to irrelevant." If they paid this guy
> >25[cents], they were robbed. What's irrelevant is the numbing prattle
> >of indistinguishable loudmouths who populate ratings-driven broadcast
> >media.
> >
> >Everything is numbers today. The weekend box office. The President's
> >approval ratings. The quarterly profits. For 50 years, there was one
> >place where numbers did not exist as a measure of success or as
> >validation of purpose. Pacifica broadcasting can be tedious at times,
> >with its tie-dyed version of truth and justice. But the voice is
> >indignant, probing and unapologetic, and in the age of megamedia
> >conglomerization, an alternative view is a necessity.
> >
> >And I say this as someone who went on WBAI last year knowing I'd be a
> >punching bag. I'd written a screed about misguided support for
> >convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal and was attacked on-air as a
> >lazy corporate-media hack. They were wrong, of course. But they were
> >damn good at it.
> >
> >END
> >
> >TIME partners
> >
> >Copyright � 2000 Time Inc. All rights reserved.
> >Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited.
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>Subject: Concerned NJ WBAI Listeners
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:24:23 EST
>
>NEXT MEETING OF CONCERNED NJ WBAI LISTENERS:
>
>SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 4 - 7 P.M. - ORIENTATION AT 3:30 P.M.
>  FIRST PRESBYTERIAN AND TRINITY CHURCH
>111 IRVINGTON AVENUE
>SOUTH ORANGE
>
>Dear Concerned NJ WBAI Listener - We are off to an encouraging start, with 
>33
>of us at the animated January 21 planning  meeting.
>
>Milton Zisman reviewed Pacifica and Local Advisory Board history from 1977 
>,
>including when WBAI was off the air for several weeks.  Up until a few 
>years
>ago, the Pacifica National Board (PNB) consisted of 15 members, 10 of whom
>were chosen by the 5 affiliate boards.  Pacifica is the corporation which
>owns all of the licenses. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) ,
>taxpayer-funded, which contributes between 15 to 20% of Pacifica's national
>budget, ruled that delegates could no longer serve both on the Local 
>Advisory
>Board (LAB) and the PNB.  The LABs had the role of screening candidates for
>station general manager and making recommendations to PNB, which were
>virtually always accepted.  The PNB's response was to abolish direct
>representation, making the current PNB entirely self-selecting and
>perpetuating.  This further accelerated the dominance on the PNB of those
>"looking to the 21st Century", seeking growth in classical corporate terms,
>use of arbitron ratings, etc.
>
>BAI LAB member Andy Norris noted the increased importance of CPB advisors,
>notably David Giovannoni, and the increased philosophical differences 
>between
>the NY and Berkeley LABs and the majority on the PNB. He noted that the BAI
>LAB consists of 15-20 members as well as one paid and one unpaid staff
>member.  They have a 3 year time limit. LAB member Madelyn Hoffman added 
>that
>though the PNB has stripped the LABs of most of their power, they now want 
>to
>go further and set up their own LABs. The LAB has been frustrated in its
>failure to get financial accountability from PNB.
>
>Larry Romsted  from Highland Park reported that from his attendance at a
>recent LAB meeting,  that the LAB is resistant to discussing having an
>elected LAB, as was recently accomplished in Berkeley. He read the demands 
>of
>the Local of the United Electrical Workers Union and asked that we consider
>supporting them.
>
>Later it was pointed out that the LAB has been banned from meeting at 120
>Wall Street, since LAB meetings are open to the public and that listeners 
>and
>the public are not permitted at the station.
>
>Three Lawsuits against PNB are underway by dissident PNB members, LABs and
>listeners.  Support forms were distributed. See
>http://home.pon.net/wildrose/remove.htm
>
>Financial Support was discussed at length, with the pro's and cons of
>withholding support, supporting through only friendly producers, setting up
>an escrow acocunt, being among the topics . A straw poll revealed 
>widespread
>support for the escrow approach, though  Paul Kreisinger later pointed out
>flaws in this approach.
>Ursalla Ruttenberg, Outreach Chair for Concerned Friends of WBAI and a
>station banee, was present as liaison with us.  She welcomes the presence 
>of
>one or more NJ groups. (Madelyn Hoffman reported that a group in
>Bergen-Passaic had met once and could be the nucleus of a group in that
>area.)  Ursalla  described events which preceded the December 22 coup.
>Concerned Friends (CF) has a 2500 person database and is happy to share 
>that
>with us.  She noted that the fundraising strategy issue would be taken up 
>at
>a meeting this Thursday, January 25 at 6:30 p.m. at Winston Unity
>Auditorium,235 West 23rd Street, Manhattan, between 7th and 8th Avenues.
>About 1/3 of those present expected to attend. She shared the following for
>information:
>Hotline - 800-825-0055; Eileen Sutton's listserve  - 718-707-7189 and
>savewbai@..., and also discussed other means of communication,
>including info to producers, email, telephone, auto-calls.  She urged
>contacting members of the PNB, calling to station and producers, letters to
>editors - 212-209-2901. Bob Bender will be the current contact with 
>Concerned
>Friends
>
>$147 was collected, with $20 reimbursed to Ursalla for her costs.
>
>Outcomes - then and subsequent:
>
>Agenda Committee:  Bella August and Madelyn Hoffman
>
>Communications Group, Internal and External:  Paul Surovell, Fred Nguyen -
>telephone tree; Lyn Garcia - Bergen and Passaic Counties. Fred will get the
>database info from Ursalla.
>
>Strategy Committee:  Following the meeting, Belvin Williams -
>E.Belvin.Williams@..., 973-783-9358 and Howard Nelson, People's
>Organization for Progress, howardnelson@... suggested
>organizational planning.  I am asking all those interested in this to 
>contact
>them, and for them to co-chair such a group consisting of those who so
>volunteer. .
>
>Site:   Boe Meyerson and Larry Romsted secured the site to accommodate 150 
>for
>
>Sunday, February 4, 4 - 7 p.m. Banned volunteer Ursalla and fired producer
>Sharan Harper are expected to be with us.
>
>Bob Bender

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I concur with much of this post, but I think people need to examine the 
issue very closely b4 jumping to the conclusion that supporting BAI is a 
mistake.  The corp. takeover people are not a monolith, suspending all 
progressive programming at the station.  There are many producers who could 
be considered prog/revolutionary, even, who are still producing essential 
and unique programming that Pacifica would certainly nix, given the 
opportunity.  Just because the main advocates of a free BAI have been sacked 
on the surface, doesn't mean that a progressive/rev. faction doesn't have 
any power to control programming.

The management at Pacifica is portraying the upcoming fund-drive (if it 
happens) as crucial to the station, stating that the financial situation is 
deteriorating. This may be scare tactics or truth, but BAI had a record 
fundraiser last time.  This time, the management may be looking to justify 
their moves with a lousy funddrive, spurred on by the disunity, uncertainty 
about the station.

Let's not jump to conclusions though.   Paul


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: njfo@egroups.com
>To: njfo@egroups.com
>Subject: [njfo] Fwd: Pacifica
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:02
>
>
>
>
> >From: Richard Strong <rstrong@...>
> >To: nat@..., vivaohio@...,
> >jchill512@...,        efsutton@...,
> >worker-savewbai@...
> >Subject: Pacifica
> >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:55:18 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >
> >In responce to the JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4 Time Magazine Article
> >by STEVE LOPEZ
> >
> >
> >  Capitalist business is like a virus that devours everything in it's 
>path
> >until everything is gone. It has no morals nor conscience. America eats
> >it's
> >own.
> >  Presant day capitalism makes Communism look angelic. Stalin is starting
> >to
> >look more and more like the ally he once was to the Western world. 
>America
> >is now the "Evil Empire".
> >  The writer of the article has obviously never read any of the 
>transcripts
> >from Mumia's trial or his writ of habeous corpus. If a man kills a cop
> >which has not been proven in Mumia's case or Lenard Peltiers for that
> >he is an evil cop-killer punishable by
> >government sponsored death and death alone. Damn a fair trial.
> >When a cop or cops assasinates innocent,unarmed,blackmen(Amadou Diallo
> >etc.)
> >they walk away free men.
> >  George "Dubya" Bush said he would unite the people of this country and 
>he
> >probably will whether you like it or not. He will probably do it the same
> >way
> >his father did. Start a war. That way he can rattle the sabers and anyone
> >who disagrees will of course be called unpatriotic. They can't be called
> >"commies". That would be a compliment.
> >  Watch out! Fidel is next!
> >  Unfortunately financilly supporting the station on the upcoming fund
> >drive
> >would appear to be a moot point. The station was "sold out" to coorperate
> >America the moment the locks were changed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >R.D. Strong
> >Rutgers University
> >NBCS-Hill Center Operations
> >e-mail : rstrong@...
> >
> >
> >
>
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these are recent too...

>  "The California crunch really is the result of not enough 
>power-generating
>plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating
>plants."-Interview with the New York Times, Jan. 14, 2001
>
>"I'm hopeful. I know there is a lot of ambition in Washington, obviously.
>But I hope the ambitious realize that they are more likely to succeed with
>success as opposed to failure."-Interview with the Associated Press, Jan.
>18, 2001 (Thanks to M. Bateman.)
>
>"If he's-the inference is that somehow he thinks slavery is a-is a noble
>institution I would-I would strongly reject that assumption-that John
>Ashcroft is a open-minded, inclusive person."-NBC Nightly News With Tom
>Brokaw, Jan. 14, 2001
>
>"She's just trying to make sure Anthony gets a good meal-Antonio."-On Laura
>Bush inviting Justice Antonin Scalia to dinner at the White House. NBC
>Nightly News With Tom Brokaw, Jan. 14, 2001
>
>"I want it to be said that the Bush administration was a results-oriented
>administration, because I believe the results of focusing our attention and
>energy on teaching children to read and having an education system that's
>responsive to the child and to the parents, as opposed to mired in a system
>that refuses to change, will make America what we want it to be-a literate
>country and a hopefuller country."-Washington, D.C., Jan. 11, 2001
>
>"I would have to ask the questioner. I haven't had a chance to ask the
>questioners the question they've been questioning. On the other hand, I
>firmly believe she'll be a fine secretary of labor. And I've got confidence
>in Linda Chavez. She is a-she'll bring an interesting perspective to the
>Labor Department."-Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001
>
>"I do remain confident in Linda. She'll make a fine labor secretary. From
>what I've read in the press accounts, she's perfectly qualified."-Austin,
>Texas, Jan. 8, 2001
>
>"I mean, these good folks are revolutionizing how businesses conduct their
>business. And, like them, I am very optimistic about our position in the
>world and about its influence on the United States. We're concerned about
>the short-term economic news, but long-term I'm optimistic. And so, I hope
>investors, you know-secondly, I hope investors hold investments for periods
>of time-that I've always found the best investments are those that you salt
>away based on economics."-Austin, Texas, Jan. 4, 2001
>
>"The person who runs FEMA is someone who must have the trust of the
>president. Because the person who runs FEMA is the first voice, often 
>times,
>of someone whose life has been turned upside down hears from."-Austin,
>Texas, Jan. 4, 2001
>
>"She is a member of a labor union at one point."-Announcing his nomination
>of Linda Chavez as secretary of labor. Austin, Texas, Jan. 2, 2001
>
>"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature 
>because
>it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."-Austin, Texas, Dec.
>20, 2000
>
>"I also have picked a secretary for Housing and Human Development. Mel
>Martinez from the state of Florida."-Austin, Texas, Dec. 20, 2000
>
>"Let me put it to you this way, I am not a revengeful person."- Interview
>with Time magazine in the Dec. 25, 2000, issue.
>
>"I am mindful of the difference between the executive branch and the
>legislative branch. I assured all four of these leaders that I know the
>difference, and that difference is they pass the laws and I execute
>them."-Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2000

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...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail.

Why?  President-Select 'Shrub' has made it very clear that he intends to be 
the Anti-Democracy Heir to the Throne~ appointing Ashcroft, a Dixie-Flag 
waving segregationist & friend Bob Jones to take charge of enforcing Civil 
Rights laws?  No thanks.  More Bushims to come.  Matthew


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>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:55:13 EST
>
>
>
>...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail.
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FYI

>Hi,
>This email goes out to many people, hoping everything
>is fine in
>your neck of the woods.
>
>I am wondering if any of you have a camera
>(point-and-shoot or
>manual-style 35 mm or old medium format) or darkroom
>equipment
>(enlarger, trays, tongs or other supplies) that you
>dont use anymore
>and would like to donate to a New Brunswick-based
>photography
>project.
>
>
>I am excited to say that the Robert Wood Johnson
>Foundation (the
>philanthropic arm of the J&J healthcare empire) has
>granted
>the Chai Project and me a nice-sized grant to create
>photodocumentary
>work
>with IV-drug using/persons living with aids in New
>Brunswick. For those
>of
>you who dont know, Chai Project has been for at least
>five years
>providing
>non-judgmental help and services to these
>local residents, including, until a couple of years
>ago, a
>clean-needle exchange program. They dont do that
>anymore, and
>instead have expanded and legalized their operations.
>
>This project, which is tentatively called PhotoVoices
>New Brunswick
>(I know, its a bit lackluster) borrows from and is
>similar to a
>photography-based documentary photography methodology
>developed by
>an educator named Caroline Wang. The undergirding idea
>is this:
>largely poor and criminalized IV drug user populations
>are often
>spoken for and about, but dont often speak for
>themselves and get
>heard by the rest of the public. Chai Project
>participants (often
>called clients - many are women,
>unemployed/underemployed,
>city-based, among the most at-risk in terms of
>economics and
>health), with the help of Rutgers interns,
>writer/instructors, Chai
>Project personnel, photographer/instructors  and
>volunteers, will
>develop a body of photographic and written/recorded
>language that
>represents the Chai participants particular views
>regarding some of
>the following aspects of their lives: drug use, access
>to health
>care, lifestyle, social concerns, personal narratives,
>relations to
>social and legal bureaucracies, family, etc.
>Photography will be
>used as a medium of communication, and writing and
>testimony as
>guides for reading the photographs in the ways the
>photographers
>want them to be read. A website will also be created
>for the work.
>
>The Photovoice project will begin making pictures in
>February and
>will build a darkoom with full processing and printing
>capabilities.
>We have already bought some equipment, but do not yet
>have enough to
>keep most people busy. If you can help with your old
>camera
>equipment, or in some other way, then email  or call
>me up. Pass
>this on to anyone who might help.
>
>thanks,
>Mike Crockford
>732-829-3006 cell
>photochainb@...
>
>Chai Project's number is 732 247 7015, but regarding
>this project,
>its better to call me first. They're BUSY!
>(Chai Project has 501c3 status, so that any kind of
>donation can be
>deducted at tax-time. perhaps even real estate space.
>I have to
>check on that.)
>
>(additional note: Unfortunately, I made a big mistake
>in writing my
>part of the grant proposal -- I didnt factor in the
>need for a
>Darkroom Space. We are looking for a downtown-area
>storefront that
>would serve us as both studio and gallery space for
>the next six to
>eight months. Hopefully that will work out.  I think
>it will be
>great to have a publicly accessible downtown space for
>work to be
>seen as it develops, in its various emphases and
>forms, and also as
>a more completed work near the end of the year. If
>anyone has some
>freindly influence with a New Brunswick property
>owner, let Chai
>Project or me know.)
>
>
>
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Please do not misunderstand . I'm not saying do not support the station
financially. By all means please do that if you think it will help. That
decision should be left up the individual(s). All I'm implying is that
the "fix" is already in. This "Christmas Coup" went to smoothly to not
have been planned well in advance. Even if the fund raiser is very
successful, WBAI will not be the WBAI we knew. It is becoming NPR. Plus
the success will still not excuse the appalling treatment of the people,
both paid and unpaid, who were fired and banned without due process to my
knowledge. As I mentioned earlier, it appears they never saw it coming.
Not that the station should follow the procedures of court,it is not a
court room, but some common decentcy should have been used on people
who were in many cases long time dedicated employees and volunteers who
through their selfless hard work and dedication made the very day to day
exisitance of the station possible. They have been disgarded, in my
opinion,like 'worn out shoes'.Well those 'shoes' are still good and in
great shape but apparently somebody didn't care for the 'style',if you
catch my drift.
In closing I say "Yes, support the station, but as the saying goes,'You
may not get what you paid for, but you will most certainly pay for what
you get.' I just personnally want my moneys worth and I want what I pay
for. I paid for WBAI not WBAI-NPR. It appears that if the fundraiser is
successful you will get WBAI-NPR and if it is not you will still get
WBAI-NPR. How's that for "Democracy Now!" Some freedom of choice huh?
I just hope the progressives/revolutionaries who are still on the air can
continue their great work,but judging by what has happened their bright
light of truth is perilously in danger of being snuffed.
 
R.D. Strong
Rutgers University
NBCS-Hill Center Operations
e-mail : rstrong@...



On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Paul McGee wrote:

> I concur with much of this post, but I think people need to examine the 
> issue very closely b4 jumping to the conclusion that supporting BAI is a 
> mistake.  The corp. takeover people are not a monolith, suspending all 
> progressive programming at the station.  There are many producers who could 
> be considered prog/revolutionary, even, who are still producing essential 
> and unique programming that Pacifica would certainly nix, given the 
> opportunity.  Just because the main advocates of a free BAI have been sacked 
> on the surface, doesn't mean that a progressive/rev. faction doesn't have 
> any power to control programming.
> 
> The management at Pacifica is portraying the upcoming fund-drive (if it 
> happens) as crucial to the station, stating that the financial situation is 
> deteriorating. This may be scare tactics or truth, but BAI had a record 
> fundraiser last time.  This time, the management may be looking to justify 
> their moves with a lousy funddrive, spurred on by the disunity, uncertainty 
> about the station.
> 
> Let's not jump to conclusions though.   Paul
> 
> 
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: njfo@egroups.com
> >To: njfo@egroups.com
> >Subject: [njfo] Fwd: Pacifica
> >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:32:02
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Richard Strong <rstrong@...>
> > >To: nat@..., vivaohio@...,
> > >jchill512@...,        efsutton@...,
> > >worker-savewbai@...
> > >Subject: Pacifica
> > >Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:55:18 -0500 (EST)
> > >
> > >
> > >In responce to the JANUARY 29, 2001 VOL. 157 NO. 4 Time Magazine Article
> > >by STEVE LOPEZ
> > >
> > >
> > >  Capitalist business is like a virus that devours everything in it's 
> >path
> > >until everything is gone. It has no morals nor conscience. America eats
> > >it's
> > >own.
> > >  Presant day capitalism makes Communism look angelic. Stalin is starting
> > >to
> > >look more and more like the ally he once was to the Western world. 
> >America
> > >is now the "Evil Empire".
> > >  The writer of the article has obviously never read any of the 
> >transcripts
> > >from Mumia's trial or his writ of habeous corpus. If a man kills a cop
> > >which has not been proven in Mumia's case or Lenard Peltiers for that
> > >he is an evil cop-killer punishable by
> > >government sponsored death and death alone. Damn a fair trial.
> > >When a cop or cops assasinates innocent,unarmed,blackmen(Amadou Diallo
> > >etc.)
> > >they walk away free men.
> > >  George "Dubya" Bush said he would unite the people of this country and 
> >he
> > >probably will whether you like it or not. He will probably do it the same
> > >way
> > >his father did. Start a war. That way he can rattle the sabers and anyone
> > >who disagrees will of course be called unpatriotic. They can't be called
> > >"commies". That would be a compliment.
> > >  Watch out! Fidel is next!
> > >  Unfortunately financilly supporting the station on the upcoming fund
> > >drive
> > >would appear to be a moot point. The station was "sold out" to coorperate
> > >America the moment the locks were changed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >R.D. Strong
> > >Rutgers University
> > >NBCS-Hill Center Operations
> > >e-mail : rstrong@...
> > >
> > >
> > >
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frank, i disagree with you. it is not 'misguided'. it's called the free 
expression of ideas. in fact, it's called "free speech", which i will defend 
no matter who is in charge.

I don't care if this is a coalition egroup or not. i maintain my right to 
express my views on the state of our nation, especially since the national 
picture directly pertains to our local struggles (the campaign).

i'm sorry if you disagree. in fact, i'm sorry that you choose to ally 
yourself with bush and co., since they represent the most undemocratic, most 
backward, racist, and just hateful elements of our society. if you look to 
defend the spectacle of our national presidential elections,  you stand in 
sharp contradiction with the goal of the people's campaign.

post your views, frank, if you feel you disagree. but don't try to contain 
others. i won't stand for it.

kristina

>From: FBRIGHT123@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:55:13 EST
>
>
>
>...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail.

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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com, FBRIGHT123@a... wrote:
> 
> 
> ...misguided to post this on a coalition e-mail.

Well, not necessarily.  Just to begin with an obvious fact:  why 
couldn't a Republican have posted that very same list of G.W. Bush 
quotes?  It doesn't even necessarily constitute an attack on 
Republicans as a whole.

My God, if I were a Republican ... no, excuse me, being that I'm a 
Republican ... I would be rather annoyed that my party anointed Bush 
as its candidate.  Had it been McCain and not Bush, there would have 
never been a 'close election'; Gore would've been crushed.  Instead 
of someone who's qualified to be President, the Republican Party 
chose a man with not even one full term of experience as the Governor 
of a state with a weak executive branch.  There's no reason on 
principle why a criticism of Bush, much less mockery of the man, 
should be taken as an attack on Republicans per se.

Besides, you yourself would be the first to admit that distinction 
can and should be drawn between being loyal to the Republican Party 
on a local level, and being loyal to the national organization or 
federal-level politicians.

Jeremy



  

Coalitions don't need messages that attack each other. It isn't censorship as 
it is misguided to apply attacks and expect productive work from the same 
people.

Frank- Who's attacking you?  George W. Bush is opposed to democracy.  
Therefore, he and his principles are open to attack, criticism, mocking, 
organizing against, opposing, hating, trashing, stepping on, covering with 
pee and poo, grinning at, flipping-the-bird, and generally exposing for its 
anti-democratic-ness.  He is an illigitamate president.  Unfortunately, 
people have to live with the adverse affects of his 
illigitamacy...therefore, you might have to live with people being upset 
about it and acting to undo the undoer.


>From: FBRIGHT123@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:37:06 EST
>
>
>
>Coalitions don't need messages that attack each other. It isn't censorship 
>as
>it is misguided to apply attacks and expect productive work from the same
>people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I find it highly curious that you perceive an attack on George Bush as a 
personal attack upon yourself.


>From: FBRIGHT123@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] More Bushisms
>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:37:06 EST
>
>
>
>Coalitions don't need messages that attack each other. It isn't censorship 
>as
>it is misguided to apply attacks and expect productive work from the same
>people.
>
>
>
>
>

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Attacking Bush isolates a politcal party that is a part of this coalition. It 
is misguided to expect a workable coalition whenone group attacks another. 

It has been discussed, and Keith brought this up at the Dec 2nd General 
Meeting, that a forum or way is needed to bring forth these discussions so 
that they are seen it a context that everyone feels comfortable to listen and 
learn new ideas.

Perhaps a proactive format can be discussed now on the e-groups? 

To all who doubt the value of the label "People's", here's a tooty fer ya':

Christie Whitman, thank god she's leaving our state,  started out her last 
budget address with the following passage:

"Today, we meet in the people's house. This is the people's budget.  this is 
a budget that will help us continue to make New Jersey a better place...."

Any Questions?

I guess it's okay for Republicans to front like they're for the people.

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>Make your voice heard now!
>
>The vote to confirm John Ashcroft is only a few days away and messages
>to senators are urgently needed. You may have already contacted your
>senator once, but take one minute right now to voice your support for
>civil rights, voting rights, women's rights and stop the confirmation of
>President Bush's Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft. Ashcroft's
>record of service and public comments are marked by opposition to the
>hard-won advances that the attorney general must enforce.
>
>Here is what you can do. Click on the link below right now and send a
>letter to some of the senators who are still undecided. They all need
>to hear from you now.
>
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>&msg=1727&url=/e/09.htm
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>
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Frank, ever heard of Charles Murray?  This is one reason why it's open 
season on Bush & Co...Matt



>From: ARTISTpres@...
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>Subject: CIA to Head Bush Religion Initiative by R Lederman
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:10:46 EST
>
>  PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY!
>CIA Think Tank to Head Bush Religion Initiative
>
>The NY Times article below describes the two men Bush is
>putting in charge of his religion plan, John J. DiIulio Jr. and
>Stephen Goldsmith. Both men are senior fellows of the CIA's
>Manhattan Institute and are colleagues of Charles Murray, author
>of the classic text of scientific racism, The Bell Curve. Most of
>Bush's advisors are also associated with the Bell Curve. As just
>one of many examples, Murray was a consultant on Tommy
>Thompsons' Wisconsin Welfare Reform program, which Bush
>will make the national model
>
>Following the Times article you will find quotes from the NY
>Times and the Manhattan Institute's own website to substantiate
>the CIA origin of the Manhattan Institute, its influence on GW
>Bush and its very close decade-long association with Charles
>Murray, who wrote The Bell Curve while a research fellow at
>The Manhattan Institute.
>
>Whether you are a fundamentalist Christian, an Orthodox Jew, a
>devout Muslim or an atheist you might question what part the
>CIA rightfully has in a multi-billion dollar "religion initiative" or
>in any domestic US policy decisions. The best known modern
>example of government sponsored religion-based initiatives is
>Nazi Germany.
>
>Robert Lederman
>artistpres@...
>For numerous detailed articles expanding on the connection
>between GW Bush, the CIA and former Nazis see:
>http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/
>
>NY Times January 29, 2001
>New Bush Office Seeks Closer Ties to Church Groups
>By FRANK BRUNI and LAURIE GOODSTEIN
>
>WASHINGTON, Jan. 28 — President Bush has selected a
>University of Pennsylvania professor of political science to head
>the first federal office intended to promote the integration of
>religious groups into federally financed social services, several
>Bush advisers said today.
>
>The advisers said the opening of the office and the appointment
>of John J. DiIulio Jr. to fill it would almost certainly be
>announced at a White House event on Monday, and they
>acknowledged that it would draw heated opposition from
>organizations and religious groups that advocate a strict
>separation of church and state.
>
>But the encouragement and government financing of faith-based
>programs was a signature campaign issue for Mr. Bush, who has
>said he reads the Bible every day. And the decision to entrust the
>new federal office in charge of that effort to Mr. DiIulio, a
>widely published expert on juvenile crime with impressive
>academic credentials, is an example of the political caution with
>which the Bush administration will proceed.
>
>The choice of Mr. DiIulio, in fact, is only one of several ways in
>which Mr. Bush and his aides are trying to blunt any impression
>that what the president is doing amounts to an evangelical
>endeavor.
>
>"John is a social scientist who believes in empirical evidence,"
>said one Bush adviser, stressing Mr. DiIulio's focus on provable
>results from faith-based social programs that address problems
>like substance abuse, youth violence and teenage pregnancy. The
>adviser also emphasized that Mr. DiIulio does not see faith-based
>programs "as a panacea," but rather as one arrow in a quiver with
>plenty of others.
>
>In addition to Mr. DiIulio, the other central figure in the effort is
>Stephen Goldsmith, the former mayor of Indianapolis who was
>the chief domestic policy adviser for Mr. Bush's presidential
>campaign.
>
>Several Bush advisers said Mr. Goldsmith would be the chairman
>of a new national advisory board whose work will complement
>that of the new federal office. Mr. Goldsmith will also serve as
>an official adviser to Mr. Bush on the issue.
>
>Mr. Bush and his aides do not want the proposals related to
>faith-based programs that they unveil to seem too driven by
>religion. Indeed, the president's goal is to find new ways for the
>federal government to encourage private charities — including
>but not limited to religious groups — to provide more social
>services.
>
>To that end, the title of the new federal office will allude not just
>to faith-based programs but also to community initiatives,
>although several advisers said the order in which the words
>"faith" and "community" would be placed was under debate.
>
>Additionally, Mr. Bush has invited not only leaders of
>faith-based groups but also the heads of other not-for-profit
>organizations to meet on Monday morning at the White House to
>kick off a week of events intended to describe and promote the
>president's vision.
>
>The guest list, according to one of the people on it, includes the
>Rev. Stephen E. Burger, executive director of the Association of
>Gospel Rescue Missions; Sara E. Meléndez, president and chief
>executive officer of Independent Sector, a coalition of nonprofit
>organizations and foundations; and Millard Fuller, founder and
>president of Habitat for Humanity International, the ecumenical
>house-building group.
>
>"It is about faith-based institutions, but it's also about more than
>that," said another Bush adviser, referring to Mr. Bush's plan to
>encourage private groups to administer more of the kinds of local
>programs often provided by government.
>
>A more thorough integration of faith-based and other
>not-for-profit groups into federally financed social services is a
>cornerstone of compassionate conservatism, a political
>philosophy with which Mr. Bush has strongly identified himself.
>
>Compassionate conservatism holds that while the government
>should limit the scope of the social services it provides, it should
>take an active role as a catalyst and source of financing for work
>done by neighborhood and religious groups.
>
>Mr. Bush has said some of the groups with the best results for
>rehabilitating prisoners or fighting drug abuse are ones that take
>religious and spiritual approaches. He has also said the
>government should not hesitate to give money to these groups, as
>long as secular groups that provide similar services are also
>available.
>
>There are signs that these initiatives may elicit bipartisan
>support. This morning, on the ABC News program "This Week,"
>Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri, the House
>minority leader, signaled interest in Mr. Bush's approach.
>
>The Bush administration will roll out these initiatives with the
>utmost care, under the guidance of Mr. DiIulio, who is Catholic,
>and Mr. Goldsmith, who is Jewish.
>
>Although both are well liked by religious conservatives, neither
>is an ideological lightning rod like Marvin Olasky, another
>proponent of faith- based programs and compassionate
>conservatism. Mr. Olasky was with Mr. Goldsmith and Mr.
>DiIulio at a long meeting with Mr. Bush in Austin, Tex., nearly
>two years ago.
>
>"It's not just that we're paying attention to the politics of it," one
>of the Bush advisers said. "We're paying attention to the
>pragmatics of it. I think we're doing it right, and I think we're
>going to be careful about it."
>
>Mr. DiIulio's résumé makes him seem like a personification of
>Mr. Bush's attempts to retain the support of religious
>conservatives while also courting moderates and building a broad
>base of support.
>
>He is a fellow at both the Manhattan Institute, which is a
>conservative think tank, and the Brookings Institute, which is
>not. In a two-month period in the summer of 1999, he wrote
>major articles for The Weekly Standard, a conservative
>publication, and for The New Democrat, a moderate one. He
>identifies himself as a new Democrat.
>
>Mr. DiIulio has also done extensive work with black pastors in
>urban areas, and one of the Bush administration's hopes is that
>its advocacy of faith-based programs will be a bridge to black
>ministers and win some support with the Congressional Black
>Caucus.
>
>Mr. Bush garnered the support of about 9 percent of black voters
>in the presidential election and has been reaching out
>aggressively to African- Americans ever since. This morning, he,
>his wife, Laura, and his parents attended a Methodist church here
>with a predominantly black congregation.
>
>For years, Mr. DiIulio, who taught at Princeton before the
>University of Pennsylvania, was known more for his work on
>criminal justice issues than on his interest in faith-based
>programs. He was among the voices loudly advocating increased
>prison construction in the early 1990's and wrote a 1996 book
>about the war against crime, "Body Count," with John P. Walters
>and William J. Bennett, the former education secretary and drug
>czar.
>
>Mr. Goldsmith, a former prosecutor, was a two-term mayor in
>Indianapolis who privatized everything from golf course
>construction to sewage treatment and showed an interest in
>revitalizing long-neglected inner-city neighborhoods. Late in his
>second term, he started the Front Porch Alliance, a group that
>acted as a liaison between religious congregations — mostly
>urban African-American churches — and government.
>
>For his work with churches, Mr. Goldsmith, a Republican, was
>lauded by many evangelical Christian leaders. But some Jewish
>leaders said they were nervous about an approach that redirects
>tax dollars to churches.
>
>"There's a lot of respect for Stephen Goldsmith," said Rabbi
>David Saperstein, director of the Religious Action Center of
>Reform Judaism. "Many in the Jewish community know him and
>respect him, but any time you have a formal government
>endorsement of religion that this faith-based office conveys, that
>takes us down a path that too often in our history has turned out
>to be disastrous for religious freedom and religious tolerance."
>
>NY Times Monday, May 12, 1997
>Turning Intellect Into Influence Promoting Its Ideas, the
>Manhattan Institute Has Nudged New York Rightward
>"Currently housed in an unprepossessing warren on the second
>floor of a building near Grand Central Terminal, the institute
>was founded as a free-market education and research
>organization by William Casey, who then went off to head the
>Central Intelligence Agency in the Reagan Administration."
>
>NY Times Monday, May 12, 1997 Manhattan Institute Has
>Nudged New York Rightward
>"...the institute was founded as a free-market education and
>research organization by William Casey, who then went off to
>head the Central Intelligence Agency in the Reagan
>Administration."
>
>NY Times  June 12, 2000 Bush Culls Campaign Theme From
>Conservative Thinkers “Gov. George W. Bush has said his
>political views have been shaped by the work of Myron Magnet
>of the Manhattan Institute.”
>
>From the MI website: Books That Influenced Gov. George W.
>Bush  Myron Magnet's The Dream and the Nightmare: "Referring
>to this book, Gov. Bush has said, other than the Bible, that it was
>the most important book he had read..."
>
>  "Education and Welfare: Meeting the Challenge
>A Message from CCI Chairman, Mayor Stephen Goldsmith
>[CCI is a division of Manhattan Institute]
>America is in the midst of an urban renaissance...CCI’s April
>conference “Next Steps in Welfare Reform” highlighted just how
>far we’ve come. The conference brought together public officials
>like Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson and scholars like
>Dr. Charles Murray to discuss how governments and private
>groups have reduced dependency and increased
>self-sufficiency...Fifteen years after the Manhattan Institute
>published Charles Murray’s landmark study of American welfare
>policy, Losing Ground, the presentations showed that ideas once
>seen as radical now form the mainstream of the welfare debate."
>
>[Among the panelists alongside Murray and Goldsmith was
>Jason Turner, former head of Wisconsin's welfare program.
>Turner later became infamous as head of NYC's abusive workfare
>system after quoting the motto over the gates of Auschwitz -
>"Arbeit Macht Frei - work shall make you free" [ see: NY Times
>6/27/98].
>
>"Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the
>unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can
>begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call
>it." -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1
>
>  "Secular schools can never be tolerated because
>such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral
>instruction without a religious foundation is built on air;
>consequently, all character training and religion must be
>derived from faith . . . we need believing people." [Adolf
>Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations
>leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]<
>
>"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
>social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The
>most  successful educational approach to the Negro is through a
>religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want
>to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man
>who can straighten out that idea if  it ever occurs to any of their
>more rebellious members." -From Margaret Sanger's 12/19/39
>letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, Milton, Massachusetts.  Original
>source:  Sophia Smith  Collection, Smith College, North
>Hampton, Massachusetts.  Also described in Linda Gordon's
>Woman's Body, Woman's Right:  A Social History of Birth
>Control in America, Grossman Publishers, 1976. Also see
>Sanger's Birth Control Review
>http://www.hli.org/issues/pp/bcreview/index.html
>
>From an announcement on the MI website
>http://www.manhattan-institute.org/
>Center for Civic Innovation Welfare Conference Held at the
>Manhattan Institute Topic: “Next Steps in Welfare Reform.”
>Participants: [a partial list]
>Charles Murray (Author of Losing Ground; American
>Enterprise Institute),  Jason Turner (Commissioner, NYC
>Human Resources Administration) April 14, 1999 New York,
>New York<
>
> >Village Voice 8/8/2000 Uncle Shrub's Cabin
>"Absent in the sticky Philadelphia heat was the drumbeat of the
>fire-breathing, nay-saying Christian Right. In its place, singing
>the praises of the Jesus-influenced candidate and following a
>script laid out by the Manhattan Institute...the social scientists
>from the Manhattan Institute rolled out their charts and
>reported that kids who go to church in poor neighborhoods do
>fewer drugs and thus, churches, mosques, and synagogues
>"should be supported as uniquely qualified agencies of social
>control that matter a great deal in the lives of adolescents in
>America's most disorganized and impoverished
>communities."<
>
>Manhattan Institute
>http://www.manhattan-institute.org/
>
>Bell Curve
>http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/049.html
>http://www.fair.org/extra/9501/bell.html
>  http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45/022.html
>
>Robert Lederman
>For articles about Bush, West Nile Virus,
>Mayor Giuliani, The Manhattan Institute and Eugenics see:
>http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/

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>From: Nat Bender <nat@...>
>To: vivaohio@..., buell@..., strong@...,   
>jchill512@...
>CC: rbender65@...
>Subject: meeting Sunday
>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:33:54 -0500
>
>Please forward as appropriate.
>
>In Solidarity, Nat/
>
>Immediate Issue
>
>Contact: Bob Bender, Organizer - 908-755-5846
>
>WBAI LISTENERS ORGANIZING IN NEW JERSEY; SOUTH ORANGE MEETING FEBRUARY 4
>
>New Jerseyans concerned about free speech radio are invited to a public
>meeting on Sunday, February 4, 3:30 p.m. at the First Presbyterian and
>Trinity Church, 111 Irvington Avenue at South Orange Avenue between
>Valley Road and Prospect Street, South Orange..
>
>New Jersey listeners to Pacifica radio station WBAI, 99.5 F.M., are
>mobilizing out of concern for the continuation of Free Speech radio.
>The New York station , described as "initially based on a 'lack of
>corporate control and its dedication to peace' and representing 'grass
>roots, alternative broadcasting'" and which reaches Northern, Central
>and Western New Jersey is a component of the National Pacifica
>Corporation, a non-profit California corporation which also owns the
>licenses of stations in Berkeley, Houston, Los Angeles, Washington,
>D.C.  There have been on-going tensions between, on the one hand, local
>listeners, Local Advisory Boards, and some staff members and producers
>and the national  Pacifica board and staff.  These culminated in a
>"Christmas Coup" when, on December 22 , national Pacifica Director
>Bessie Wash fired 10 year WBAI General Manager Valerie van Isler,
>Program Director Bernard White, also host of the popular morning Wake-up
>Call, and Wake-up Call producer Sharan Harper, and installed as Interim
>General Manager Utrice Leid, former afternoon talk-show host. Various
>volunteers were banned from the station. The station's Local Advisory
>Board was prohibited from meeting at the station since its meetings were
>open to the public.
>
>The Pacifica Foundation was organized in 1946 by a group of pacifists
>and conscientious objectors.  Current critics say that the national
>board is weakening local control of the stations, and speculate that it
>is an effort either to broaden the station's audiences by providing more
>mainstream programming or to sell the frequencies, which might, for
>WBAI, fetch $150 - $200 million.  Subsequent to the December 22
>takeover, complete with  security guards and changed locks in the middle
>of the night, there have been vigils and several demonstrations.  When
>the Local Advisory Board sought to meet, they were rebuffed, resulting
>in the arrest of 9, including 2 LAB members. Protesters have also
>picketed the law office of Epstein Becker and Green, whose partner John
>Murdock is among the controlling group on the Pacifica Board and is
>re-writing their bylaws.  Separate lawsuits filed on behalf of
>listeners, local advisory board, and minority Pacifica Board members
>challenging aspects of the Pacifica structure and operation are working
>their way through the California courts. Similar Pacifica initatives at
>the Berkeley station were mostly rebuffed by popular demonstrations
>estimated as up to 15000.
>
>The conflict has gained national attention, with articles in the New
>York Times, Newsday, Newsweek,  and The Nation magazine.
>
>Interim General Manager Leid has imposed a gag rule forbidding on-air
>discussion of the conflict. She also attributed the origin of the
>station's problems to Polk prize-winning reporter Amy Goodman, who hosts
>Democracy Now, the Exception to the Rulers every weekday from 9 - 10
>a.m.
>
>The New York-based Concerned Friends of WBAI, has called for the
>participation of WBAI's staff and Local Advisory Board in the management
>of WBAI, the immediate reinstatement of all fired staff, lifting of bans
>and the  gagging of producers,  the reopening of the WBAI staff
>collective bargaining unit to unpaid as well as paid staff , support of
>the current lawsuits against the Pacifica National Board, establishment
>of local election procedures for the ongoing selection of Local Advisory
>Board members, and returning to founder Lewis Hill's original Pacifica
>mission.
>
>Information can be found at http://www.wbai.net/
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Bush announced yesterday that he has created a national office devoted to 
breaking down barriers that inhibit federal contracting with faith based 
organizations... (see today and yesterday's NY Times)

this is terrifying for anyone interested in maintaining a safe distance 
between church and state (reshaping america in the white bible belt 
image...)


>Bush's Christian guru aims to reshape America
>DOUG SAUNDERS
>
>Saturday, January 13, 2001
>
>AUSTIN -- Marvin Olasky won't be in Washington next Saturday when George W.
>Bush becomes president, taking the oath of office on a Bible used by his
>father at his inauguration and also used at the nation's first presidential
>inauguration of George Washington in 1789.
>
>Mr. Olasky isn't one for big parties and hoopla. But the writings of the
>little-known Texas professor -- ideas that would break down the traditional
>barriers between church and state -- will be on the lips of many members of
>the new Republican ascendancy, including its leader.
>
>The phrase "compassionate conservatism" tripped off Mr. Bush's lips
>hundreds of times during the campaign.
>
>It sounded, to most observers, like something aimed at appeasing moderate
>voters.
>
>But to fundamentalist Christian conservatives, it signified the beginning
>of a radical public-policy experiment, one that is neither glib nor
>moderate.
>
>The phrase was coined by Mr. Olasky, a slight, tweedy man who teaches
>journalism at the University of Texas and has become one of Mr. Bush's most
>influential intellectual advisers.
>
>He did not hold an official position in Mr. Bush's Texas administration and
>that won't change as the former governor moves to the White House.
>
>But Mr. Bush is preparing to make the professor's ideas a central part of
>his government.
>
>In short, compassionate conservatism is a taxpayer-funded mission to allow
>religious groups to provide most government social programs, allowing them
>to operate homeless shelters, drug-treatment programs,
>pregnancy-counselling services, prisons and unemployment offices -- even if
>their mission is to convert their clients to religious faith.
>
>To opponents who charge that this will set social programs back a century,
>Mr. Olasky pleads guilty. This, he says, is exactly the point.
>
>"Historically, what we've found is the most useful kind of poverty-fighting
>is spiritual," he said in an interview yesterday at his home in the hilly
>suburbs of Austin. "If I've been any use in this process, it's [been by]
>bringing up some history and showing how in this country we knew how to
>fight poverty, through compassion that's challenging and personal and
>spiritual. And we forgot that in the 20th century."
>
>Mr. Olasky, like Mr. Bush, is a fundamentalist born-again Christian. The
>two have shared ideas since 1993, shortly before Mr. Bush was elected
>governor.
>Their last meeting was just last month.
>
>Mr. Olasky's book, Compassionate Conservatism, published last year,
>contains a laudatory introduction by the President-elect and a reprint of a
>campaign speech in which Mr. Bush promised to bring religious groups into
>the
>government fold.
>
>"In every instance where my administration sees a responsibility to help
>people, we will look first to faith-based organizations, charities and
>community groups that have shown their ability to save and change lives,"
>Mr. Bush said, adding that the greatest hope for the poor is not found in
>"reform" but in "redemption." In other words, religious belief.
>
>In recent days, Mr. Bush has created an Office of Faith-Based Programs. It
>likely will be headed by Stephen Goldsmith, a former Republican mayor of
>Indianapolis who allowed religious groups to offer many of the city's
>social services. Mr. Bush has promised to expand the scope of a 1996 law
>that
>allows people to redirect tax dollars to private charities and religious
>groups. He has stressed that those programs will also be offered by
>non-religious organizations.
>
>Mr. Olasky and his followers believe that poverty is not caused by a lack
>of money, but by a lack of moral values on behalf of the poor. As such, 
>they
>see welfare as a poor alternative to religion.
>
>"When I've gone around and talked to guys who've been homeless for a long
>time or are alcoholics or addicts, when they do come out of it, nine times
>out of 10, in my experience, it's a religious transformation," Mr. Olasky
>said. "When you're thinking about helping the people in the greatest need,
>then it doesn't happen except through a type of religious transformation."
>
>Many Republicans and religious conservatives believe that the Office of
>Faith-Based Programs should be just the beginning. Jesse Helms, the
>Republican chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, said this
>week that foreign aid should be placed under the care of religious
>organizations.
>
>All of this has raised the ire of freedom-of-expression groups and
>constitutional scholars, who point out that the United States was founded
>on the notion of a resolutely secular state. It is one of the few major
>Western nations, along with France, whose Constitution does not have a
>theological basis (mention of God in the Pledge of Allegiance and the In
>God We Trust slogan on currency were added just decades ago to
>differentiate the United States from Communist countries.)
>
>"This is on its face a kind of constitutional crisis. The merger of church
>and state in the White House represents a terrible reversal of the
>country's principles," said Barry Lynn, head of the Washington advocacy
>group
>Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
>
>The U.S. Constitution's First Amendment, he notes, contains the phrase
>"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
>prohibiting the free exercise thereof," and the Supreme Court has
>interpreted this to mean that governments cannot direct funds to religious
>groups.
>
>But Mr. Olasky and his followers believe separation of church and state is
>based on a misinterpretation of the Constitution. In his books, he offers a
>rereading of U.S. history in which such luminaries as Thomas Jefferson and
>James Madison are replaced by more spiritually minded early Americans.
>
>"The government was meant to be secular in the sense of not preferring any
>religion. That's what the First Amendment was all about," Mr. Olasky said
>yesterday. "The founders would have seen what we've done to the public
>square not as neutrality, but as nakedness."
>
>Mr. Olasky has devoted his life to extremes. Raised in the Jewish faith,
>his political views became increasingly radical and isolated at university.
>He
>joined the Communist Party in the early 1970s, when even members of the
>extreme left had rejected Moscow-style leadership. He toured the Soviet
>Union and became an agitator on the University of Michigan campus, until a
>second, equally dramatic transformation occurred, shortly after he married
>his second wife, Susan Northway.
>
>"We asked ourselves which denomination represented the extreme opposite of
>the hard-left," Ms. Northway said in a 1999 interview. "Then we looked in
>the phone book and found the Conservative Baptist Church. By the end of
>that summer of '76, we had come to Christ."
>
>In 1985, Mr. Olasky founded a weekly newsmagazine, World, which reviews
>events from a rigidly biblical perspective (he claims it is now the
>fourth-largest newsmagazine in the country). He created a new Presbyterian
>church suited to his views.
>
>A decade later, his book, The Tragedy of American Compassion, which
>introduced the concept of compassionate conservatism, got him noticed in
>Washington.
>
>When Newt Gingrich led the Republican takeover of the House of
>Representatives in 1994, he sent a copy of the book to every congressman.
>It was eagerly read by George W. Bush, who had converted to fundamentalist
>Christianity in the 1980s in an effort to end his drinking problems.
>
>During his tenure as Texas governor, Mr. Bush became the first state leader
>to allow proselytizing Christian organizations to offer state-funded social
>programs, including a ministry-run prison program.
>
>Mr. Olasky and Mr. Bush appear to have met at an opportune moment, when
>devoutly religious citizens -- almost half of all Americans believe that
>the Bible is literally true -- felt profoundly alienated from their
>government.
>
>Throughout his election campaign, Mr. Bush made outspoken appeals to
>disenfranchised Christians. His Democratic opponent, Al Gore, is also a
>fundamentalist Christian and made equally frequent mentions of God and
>Jesus Christ on the stump, but Mr. Bush peppered his speeches with phrases,
>such as "personal redemption," that carry special meaning for the religious
>right.
>
>A poll of 1,500 Americans conducted this week by Public Agenda, a nonprofit
>research organization, found that 44 per cent think government funding for
>social services offered by religious groups is "a good idea." About 30 per
>cent consider it "a bad idea," while 23 per cent would support it if the
>programs did not carry religious messages.
>
>In other words, many Americans seem to agree with Mr. Olasky that religious
>and secular groups should compete for the souls of the American poor.
>
>"The thing that's been debated for 2000 years is what is Caesar's and what
>is God's," he said. "You can't dissociate your policymaking from religious
>views, but you can do what Bush does, which is neither to encourage nor
>discourage religious groups, but to judge by results."
>
>Copyright � 2001 Globe Interactive
>*******************************************

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Hold onto your hats, world, we are putting our feet down.

Agression, rape of our earth and oppression of its people must stop.

There are NO excuses.  NONE of us ever wanted the situation we have now.  If 
you find yourself making an excuse for it, take a look at where you gave up 
on yourself as a young person, and where you gave up on those around you to 
stand up for you and for what was right.

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Hold onto your hats, world, we are putting our feet down. 

Agression, rape of our earth and oppression of its people must and will stop. 

There are NO excuses.  NONE of us ever wanted the situation we have now.  If you find yourself making an excuse for the status quo, take a look at where you gave up on yourself, and where you gave up on those around you to stand up for you and for what was right. 

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>From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <ZNowakowski@...>
>To: kbas@...,Krisbas@..., nicoleadler@...
>Subject: Fwd: Women's and Girls' International Strike March 8 International 
>Women's Day
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:18:35 -0500
>
>Can you post this fwded msg on the egroups?
>
>It is not posting for me -
>
>Thanks,
>
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>From: FAIR-L <FAIR-L@...>
>Reply-To: fair-l-request@...
>To: FAIR-L@...
>Subject: [FAIR-L] MEDIA ADVISORY: Award-Winning Reporter Resigns On-Air     
>          from Pacifi              ca
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:14:01 -0500
>
>                                  FAIR-L
>                     Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
>                Media analysis, critiques and news reports
>
>
>
>
>
>MEDIA ADVISORY:
>Award-Winning Reporter Resigns On-Air from Pacifica;
>Calls for Campaign to Oust Network Leadership
>
>January 31, 2001
>
>In a dramatic on-air announcement, Juan Gonzalez, the co-host of the
>Pacifica Radio Network show "Democracy Now!," resigned this morning from 
>the
>network. Citing harassment and muzzling of free speech, Gonzalez said that
>"the current management situation at Pacifica has become intolerable...the
>last straw being the Christmas Coup at this station, WBAI, last month"- a
>reference to the recent unexplained firings and bannings of top staff.
>
>"I've come to the conclusion that the Pacifica board has been hijacked by a
>small clique that has more in common with modern-day corporate vultures 
>than
>with working-class America," Gonzalez said.
>
>Addressing his co-host at Democracy Now!, Amy Goodman, Gonzalez continued:
>"You are a wonderful and committed journalist and you have been subjected 
>to
>slanderous personal accusations and constant undermining of your efforts.
>And the board of Pacifica has tolerated it and, I think, even encouraged
>this."
>
>Gonzalez ended his on-air resignation by announcing a "national corporate
>campaign" to oust the Pacifica Foundation's embattled new board leadership,
>which he accused of "illegally chang[ing] the Foundation's bylaws." He said
>the campaign would call on listeners, instead of donating to Pacifica, to
>contribute money to groups challenging the board's legitimacy and working 
>to
>democratize the network.
>
>Gonzalez said the current leadership group "does not respect free speech; 
>it
>does not respect labor or civil rights; it doesn't even practice due 
>process
>for its own managers."
>
>Pacifica's Washington, D.C. station, WPFW, censored most of Gonzalez's
>statement, cutting away to taped programming.
>
>Gonzalez, who has co-hosted "Democracy Now!" since 1996, is a staff
>columnist with the New York Daily News. He has won numerous awards,
>including a George Polk award. His latest book is "Harvest of Empire: A
>History of Latinos in America" (Viking 2000). He was a founding member of
>the National Association of Hispanic Journalists.
>
>FAIR executive director Jeff Cohen commented: "Juan Gonzalez exemplifies 
>the
>best in the Pacifica tradition-a journalist who tells the stories of the
>powerless and holds the powerful to account. As the two-year-long Pacifica
>crisis worsens and the network's survival is seriously in question, FAIR
>joins Gonzalez in calling for the national board leadership to step down.
>Whatever these individuals' intentions, unless there is a prompt and
>thorough transformation in Pacifica's national leadership, it is impossible
>to see Pacifica fulfilling its unique, historical mission."
>
>For more information about Gonzalez and the campaign, call (212) 871-9322 
>or
>email pacificacampaign@....
>
>
>Juan Gonalez's letter of resignation is below.
>
>*****
>To: Steve Yasko, Pacifica Director of National Programming
>CC: Pacifica Board of Directors
>From: Juan Gonzalez
>
>Date: 1/31/01
>
>Re: Resignation
>
>
>This is to notify you that I am resigning as co-host of Democracy Now!
>effective immediately.
>
>I take this action with much regret since, as you know, I have worked
>alongside host Amy Goodman from the show's inception nearly five years ago
>and am proud of the groundbreaking work we have done to establish a 
>national
>radical news magazine. Even more important, I have listened to Pacifica
>programs for more than 30 years and understand the critical role the 
>network
>has played in reporting important stories the corporate media ignored, thus
>helping to shape
>progressive thought and popular movements throughout the country.
>
>But the current management situation at Pacifica has become intolerable, 
>and
>despite my hope that the majority of the Pacifica Foundation board of
>directors would come to its senses, the situation has only gotten worse. 
>The
>last straw was the Christmas coup at WBAI last month.
>
>Quite simply, the Pacifica board has been hijacked by a small clique that
>has more in common with corporate vultures than with working-class America.
>That clique has illegally changed the Foundation's by-laws, and during the
>past two years it has methodically sought to squash dissent throughout the
>network -- first at KPFA, then at PNN news, then at Democracy Now!, and now
>at WBAI. This group does not respect free speech. It does not respect labor
>or civil rights. It does not even practice due process for its own 
>managers.
>And it is now seeking to radically alter Pacifica's by-laws to pave the way
>for the selling of one or more stations.
>
>Furthermore, this clique insults Pacifica's loyal and sophisticated
>listeners by  asking them to finance its shenanigans with their donations.
>
>Starting today, I will be joining other Pacifica listeners in a national
>corporate campaign that will not rest until every board member who has
>orchestrated this hijacking resigns and a new board is in place -- one that
>is democratically accountable to the network's listeners, community and
>staff.
>
>Our campaign will call for listeners across the country to withhold
>donations to Pacifica in a mass referendum against your policies. Instead,
>we will urge them to contribute their money to a variety of groups around
>the country that are battling the Pacifica board -- including the legal 
>fund
>for court suits which are currently challenging the board's legitimacy.
>
>Mr. Murdock, Mr. Acosta, Mr. Palmer, you will soon find out that Pacifica 
>is
>listener-sponsored radio.
>
>***
>
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I know most folks are trying to pick the pieces after the coup, but 

            REJOICE!  There IS Arthouse, 

    Where hip folks come together to make and listen to/watch 
multinational 
concerned cultural expression.  We're continuing the tradition
started 
last 
year with a First Anniversary Show! 

With visual art, music, poetry, hip hop, and intense discussion of
our 
lives 
and world. 

And we want you to join us on February 17 at 8pm. That's a Saturday, 
and 
don't be late cuz the house is gonna fill up fast.  We're charging 5 
bucks so that 
we can continue building and improving on the show.   We're inviting 
special 
musical guests and others to delight all with their practice and 
creativity. 
And as usual we're inviting everyone to sign up for the open mic, so 
give it 
a chance and show some of your own stuff. 

The show's still at 559 Hamilton Street, Somerset, just down the 
street from 
the Ale'n'Wich (the Louis St. light), up the hill, thru the next
light 
and 
park, cuz we're on the right, just across from Krauszer's.  Any 
questions, 
call 732/729-0873 and leave a message for Paul. 

I guess the corporations aren't waiting for the recession...


>From: "Eugene McElroy" <manyanovo@...>
>To: smlr_net@...
>Subject: GE to cut 75,000 jobs?
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:46:44
>
>http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2001/02/01/companies/ge/
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Subject: Re:
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:46:02 -0500

Some directions to this Saturday's gig (coming from Newark, NJ):

East Orange is the next town over from Newark, going north-west.  I've
got two methods: take Route 280 West and get off at the S. Clinton
Street (East Orange) exit.  At about the third light make a left turn
onto Halsted Street (Halsted is right after N. Clinton Street).

You can also take Central Avenue from downtown Newark and go straight up
and right turn at the Carvel Bakery onto Halsted Street.  Taking this
route, my building is the first apartment building on your left, right
after the pediatric clinic (you'll see the clinic's sign right before my
building).

Hope to see ya all there.  It promises to be LIVE !!!
(EMILIO- Please bring Asela!!)


Khabirah Myers wrote:

>Greetings everybody!
>
>You are cordially invited to a get together focusing on the works of 
>filmmaker Spike Lee.  This event will feature a viewing of Spike Lee's 
>latest film, Bamboozled, followed by a video critique featuring poet, 
>activist, lecturer Imamu Amiri Baraka.  In the video critique, Baraka gives 
>his personal views on the films of Spike Lee and the implications Lee's 
>films have in the political world.  Please bring your minds and a palatable 
>dish to share with others.
>
>Place:    My Place -- 157 Halsted Street                                  
>Apt. #403                                  East Orange, NJ Time:    5:30 PM 
>(Showing of Bamboozled starts at 6 PM sharp!)
>
>Date:    Saturday, 3 February 2001 Menu:   Pot Luck
>
>Please RSVP to Khabirah with your palatable dish no later than Wednesday, 
>31 January.

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Hey everybody in the Land of Bush....

I know most folks are trying to pick the pieces after the coup, but

             REJOICE!  There IS Arthouse,

     Where hip folks come together to make and listen to/watch multinational 
concerned cultural expression.  We're continuing the tradition started last 
year with a First Anniversary Show!

With visual art, music, poetry, hip hop, and intense discussion of our lives 
and world.

And we want you to join us on February 17 at 8pm. That's a Saturday, and 
don't be late cuz the house ain't that big.  We're charging 5 bucks so that 
we can continue building and improving on the show.   We're inviting special 
musical guests and others to delight all with their practice and creativity. 
And as usual we're inviting everyone to sign up for the open mic, so give it 
a chance and show some of your own stuff.

The show's still at 559 Hamilton Street, Somerset, just down the street from 
the Ale'n'Wich (the Louis St. light), up the hill, thru the next light and 
park, cuz we're on the right, just across from Krauszer's.  Any questions, 
call 732/729-0873 and leave a message for Paul.

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>From: FAIR-L <FAIR-L@...>
>Reply-To: fair-l-request@...
>To: FAIR-L@...
>Subject: [FAIR-L] DOUBTS ON MASSACRE: Media Ignore Questions About          
>     Incident That Sp              arked Kosovo War
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 16:24:36 -0500
>
>                                  FAIR-L
>                     Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting
>                Media analysis, critiques and news reports
>
>
>
>
>
>         MEDIA ADVISORY:
>         DOUBTS ON MASSACRE:
>         Media Ignore Questions About Incident That Sparked Kosovo War
>
>         February 1, 2001
>
>         In 1999, the discovery of bodies in the Kosovo village of Racak
>helped push NATO into war.  New evidence casting doubt on claims that the
>bodies were civilian victims of a massacre has stirred debate in the
>European media-- but there has been a virtual blackout on the news in the
>U.S. press.
>
>         In January of 1999, the American head of the Organization for
>Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) mission in Kosovo announced that
>45 Kosovar Albanians from the village of Racak had been massacred by Serb
>soldiers. U.S. diplomat William Walker condemned the killings as a
>"horrendous" massacre, stating that the dead were all civilians who had 
>been
>brutally executed, many of them mutilated after death.
>
>         Once the massacre story was reported in heart-wrenching detail by
>media across the globe, pressure for war intensified and previously
>reluctant European allies took a major step toward authorizing airstrikes. 
>A
>Washington Post article (4/18/99) reconstructing the Kosovo decision-making
>process found that "Racak transformed the West's Balkan policy as singular
>events seldom do."
>
>         Troubling questions soon emerged, however, about whether or not
>there had actually been a massacre at Racak, or whether the incident had
>been manipulated to push NATO into war-- questions almost completely 
>ignored
>by the U.S. media at the time.
>
>         Front-page news articles by veteran Yugoslavia correspondents
>questioning William Walker's account were published in French newspapers
>like Le Figaro ("Dark Clouds Over a Massacre," 1/20/99) and Le Monde ("Were
>the Dead in Racak Really Massacred in Cold Blood?," 1/21/99). The German
>daily Berliner Zeitung reported in March (3/13/99) that several European
>governments, including Germany and Italy, were pressing the OSCE to fire
>William Walker based on information from OSCE monitors in Kosovo that the
>Racak bodies "were not-- as Walker declared-- victims of a Serbian massacre
>of civilians," but were mostly KLA fighters killed in battle.
>
>         The Sunday Times of London (3/12/00) reported that Walker's team 
>of
>American observers was covertly working with the CIA, pursuing a policy
>intended to push NATO into war. "European diplomats then working for the
>OSCE claim it was betrayed by an American policy that made airstrikes
>inevitable," the Sunday Times reported.
>
>         After the massacre, the European Union hired a Finnish team of
>forensic pathologists to investigate the deaths. Their report was kept
>secret until now, two years later. The U.S. media is ignoring the story,
>despite the report's finding that although people did indeed die at Racak,
>there is no evidence of a massacre.
>
>         According to the Berliner Zeitung (1/16/01), the Finnish
>investigators could not establish that the victims were civilians, whether
>they were from Racak, or even exactly where they had been killed.
>Furthermore, the investigators found only one body that showed traces of an
>execution-style killing, and no evidence at all that the bodies had been
>mutilated.
>
>         The Berliner Zeitung also reports that these findings were 
>completed
>as early as June 2000, but that their publication had been blocked by the 
>UN
>and the EU.
>
>         Except for one brief wire story from United Press International
>(1/18/01), not a single U.S. media outlet has run a story on the Finnish
>team's findings. News outlets continue to refer to the Racak massacre
>without qualification, despite the cloud of uncertainty hanging over the
>story.
>
>         A recent Chicago Tribune report (1/23/01) about the Albanian
>separatist militia in southern Serbia speculated that the Serbs might
>"revert to form and respond to an Albanian provocation with a Racak-style
>retaliation." (The KLA-linked militia, called the UCPMB, are reportedly
>preparing for a new war and recently fired on British KFOR troops-- London
>Guardian, 1/26/01.) The Tribune made no mention of any questions 
>surrounding
>the Racak incident.
>
>         A recent Philadelphia Inquirer story (1/23/01) about Yugoslavia's
>relationship with the war crimes tribunal at The Hague claimed that "Serbs
>refuse to accept the world's vision of them as aggressors," and noted that
>Yugoslav president Vojislav Kostunica "alleges the killings [at Racak] were
>staged to look like a massacre to embarrass Yugoslavia." The Finnish team's
>findings about Racak, which prompted Kostunica's recent allegations, went
>unmentioned.
>
>         An Associated Press article (1/18/01) did elliptically note the 
>new
>report's existence, reporting that Kostunica wants to discuss with The 
>Hague
>"reports attributed to Finnish pathologists saying there was no evidence of
>a Serb massacre" at Racak (1/18/01).
>
>         With tensions in southern Serbia mounting and fears of a new 
>Kosovo
>war escalating daily, the U.S. media's silence on this story is troubling.
>
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>From: ARTISTpres@...
>To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>Subject: Virginia Admits Eugenics Sterlizations-Wash Post 2/3/2001
>Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 17:25:22 EST
>
>PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY!!!
>
>When people read my articles mentioning eugenics, many think I am referring
>to some conspiracy theory or am unfairly juxtaposing a legitimate 
>scientific
>interest in genetics with the horrors of Nazi Germany. The following
>Washington Post article makes the reality of the American eugenics movement
>unambiguously clear. Hundreds of thousands of American citizens, most of 
>whom
>were normal, were forcibly sterilized based on laws in 30 different states.
>The sterilizations were just one small aspect of American eugenics. Much of
>psychiatric medicine is based on eugenics and on the work done by Nazi
>scientists-quite a few of whom were imported into the US following WWII. 
>The
>US military has its own very extensive eugenics program. Many of the
>population control agencies of the US and UN are fronts for eugenics. Our
>current Presidents' family has been in the forefront of the eugenics 
>movement
>for 70 years. The Human Genome Project admits on its own website that
>eugenics was the origin of this scientific project. This article from the
>most mainstream of newspapers just begins to open this aspect of the hidden
>history of racial genocide in the US.
>Robert Lederman
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19404-2001Feb2.html
>
>WASHINGTON POST
>Va. House Voices Regret for Eugenics
>State Was Once a Leader In Forced Sterilizations
>     Del. Mitchell Van Yahres (D-Charlottesville) sponsored the resolution.
>"Scientifically we're greatly advanced, but morally we have a problem," he
>said. (Bob Brown - AP)
>By Craig Timberg
>Washington Post Staff Writer
>Saturday, February 3, 2001; Page A01
>
>RICHMOND, Feb. 2 -- The House of Delegates voted today to express regret 
>for
>Virginia's policies of selective breeding during the 20th century, 
>including
>the forced sterilization of 8,000 mostly poor, uneducated men and women for
>supposed hereditary "defects."
>
>The 85 to 10 vote came after some of the hundreds of victims of Virginia's
>forced sterilizations spoke out in television and newspaper reports
>spotlighting the state's leading role in a movement called eugenics. It
>sought to use government power to breed away such chronic social problems 
>as
>poverty, immorality, crime, addiction and ignorance.
>
>The resolution, which requires the approval of the state Senate, would make
>Virginia the first among the 30 states that once had forced sterilization
>laws to formally express regret. The resolution passed today would declare
>"profound regret over the Commonwealth's role in the eugenics movement in
>this country and the incalculable human damage done in the name of 
>eugenics."
>
>It was a remarkable moment for a state whose leaders prefer to talk about
>Virginia's role in helping found the nation -- and lately, its high-tech
>dominance -- instead of its prominent role in such historic evils as 
>slavery,
>segregation and forced sterilizations.
>
>Even today's resolution was changed to remove the word "apology." Some 
>House
>members, including Del. Harry J. Parrish (R-Manassas), wanted to go further
>and remove the passage expressing regret, though he called the resolution's
>intentions admirable.
>
>"We're offering regrets for something that was done legally," Parrish said.
>"It's improper for us to now second-guess the General Assembly then."
>
>Virginia officials and academics had a leading role in the American 
>eugenics
>movement, which paralleled the Nazi drive for a super race. The U.S.
>Holocaust Memorial Museum has requested documents from Virginia as it
>prepares an exhibit in 2004 tentatively called "Nazi Race Science."
>
>The eugenics movement began in the United States at the beginning of the 
>20th
>century. Indiana passed the nation's first sterilization law based on
>eugenics in 1907. Over the next seven decades, government hospitals
>sterilized 60,000 men and women. Only California, with 20,000 
>sterilizations,
>had more than Virginia.
>
>Virginia passed its Eugenical Sterilization Act in 1924 -- which targeted
>"socially inadequate offspring" -- on the same day it passed the Racial
>Integrity Act prohibiting marriage between whites and nonwhites. Both grew
>out of eugenicists' drive for what they deemed a superior stock of humans.
>
>"Virginia eugenicists saw themselves as the vanguard of the future," said
>Gregory M. Dorr, a University of Alabama historian who studied Virginia's
>role in the eugenics movement.
>
>More than half of Virginia's sterilizations happened at the Virginia Colony
>for Epileptics and the Feebleminded in Lynchburg, though others happened at
>hospitals in Petersburg, Staunton, Williamsburg and Marion. Most victims 
>were
>white, but some African Americans and Indians also were sterilized,
>historians say.
>
>"People were sterilized not because they were feebleminded, but because 
>they
>were 'poor white trash,' " said Steven Selden, a University of Maryland
>professor who wrote a book on eugenics that was published last year.
>
>The U.S. Supreme Court upheld forced sterilization at the Lynchburg 
>facility
>in a case involving a woman named Carrie Buck, who had become pregnant as a
>teenager. In allowing her sterilization in 1927, Chief Justice Oliver 
>Wendell
>Holmes assessed Buck, her mother and her daughter, then declared, "Three
>generations of imbeciles are enough."
>
>A surge of sterilizations followed nationwide, tapering off when Nazi
>brutality in World War II turned public opinion against eugenics.
>
>"The Nazis took great comfort from the eugenics movement in America," said
>Paul A. Lombardo, a University of Virginia historian.
>
>Forced sterilizations continued on a very limited basis in Virginia until
>1979. Today's resolution calls on society to "reject absolutely any such
>abhorrent pseudo-scientific movement in the future."
>
>State lawmakers urged particular vigilance at a time when scientists are
>decoding the human genome and making possible far more profound 
>manipulation
>of genetic traits than envisioned by eugenicists during the last century.
>
>"We're tampering with DNA, with genes. And scientifically we're greatly
>advanced, but morally we have a problem," warned Del. Mitchell Van Yahres
>(D-Charlottesville), the resolution's sponsor. "We don't want to go down 
>that
>road again."
>
>A key supporter of House Resolution 607 was the chamber's top Republican,
>Speaker S. Vance Wilkins Jr., a veteran lawmaker from the small town of
>Amherst, just north of Lynchburg. He helped the resolution get past a
>reluctant committee this week.
>
>"It's the right thing to do," said Wilkins before today's session. "They're
>facts of history . . . and we shouldn't try to cover them up."
>
>Claude A. Allen, Virginia's secretary of health and human resources, said
>Gov. James S. Gilmore III's administration had taken no position on the
>eugenics resolution and is seeking a legal opinion on the threat of civil
>liability for the state before taking a stand. He said forced 
>sterilizations
>"clearly were atrocious."
>
>One Virginia victim of sterilization was Jesse Meadows. He was sent to the
>Lynchburg colony in 1940 after his mother died and his father remarried.
>Meadows was just 17. More than 60 years later, he can remember the names 
>and
>faces of the two doctors and the nurse who performed a vasectomy against 
>his
>will.
>
>Meadows married after leaving the facility and made a living as a house
>painter, but he could never have children. Now 78, he lives alone in
>Lynchburg, in the same neighborhood as several others who were sterilized 
>at
>the colony there.
>
>"They ought to apologize for doing something like that, treating them like
>animals," Meadows said. "They ruined a lot of people's lives."
>
>© 2001 The Washington Post Company
>--------------------------------------------------------
>For Va. coverage of this story see:
>http://www.timesdispatch.com/MGB37IFQQIC.html
>Richmond Virginia Times-Dispatch
>House 'regrets' eugenics
>Recognizes harm to 8,000 residents
>--------------------------------------------------
>For detailed info on eugenics and its realtionship to the Bush family see:
>http://Baltech.org/lederman/spray/
>
>Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T.
>(Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics)
>ARTISTpres@...  (718) 743-3722
>
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X, Flavio, & co.-  Just to relate my account of the charge I am facing so 
that it will make it onto our list of grievances:  I was issued a summons 
for "obstruction of justice" (criminal, not misdemenor) by Officer Manish 
Shah.

This incident was that I ran out alone early election day (6am-ish) to try 
and help Joe, who we heard was in trouble with the cops from the kids.  I 
drove to the corner of Rensen and Seaman, I think, and parked, got out, and 
saw the squad car that was holding joe (for allegedly throwing something at 
a truck--he'll have to fill in those details) anyhow- I was abruptly told to 
get up against the car by cops standing across the street.  They searched 
me, acted tough, gave me the summons, and let me go.  So I waited around for 
joe, got his car off the back of a flat bed with Tammy, and then split.  
That's it.

The new venue for court appearance is Milltown, after we got it removed from 
NB for conflict of interest.  As it turned out, the prosecutor that I spoke 
with told me he was a witness in Joe's altercation with Kevin Jones later 
that day.  He wasn't interested in a plea bargain once he realized who I 
was.
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FYI college folk:

>
>++++++++++
>
>The Abraham Lincoln Brigade Archives (ALBA) is pleased to
>announce the continuing annual competition for the ALBA George
>Watt Memorial prizes for the best college student work about the
>Spanish Civil War, the anti-fascist political or cultural struggles of
>the 1920's and 1930's, or the lifetime histories and contributions of
>the Americans who served beside the Spanish Republic from 1937-
>1938.  This work may take the form of an essay, visual art, video or
>film, a dance, theatrical work or a musical composition. Two prizes
>of $500 each will be awarded each year-one to the best
>undergraduate work and one to the best graduate student work on
>one or  more of the above topics. Work will be judged on the basis
>of originality and effectiveness of argument or presentation. The
>work must have been created to fulfill an undergraduate or graduate
>course or degree requirement. Submissions are encouraged from
>U.S. and international contestants.
>
>The deadline for receipt of essays is April 1, 2001. Work produced
>either during the year of submission or during the previous calendar
>year are eligible for the competition. Essays must be at least 5,000
>words long to be considered for the prize. Works in the creative
>arts should be the result of at least one semester's work.
>Applicants should email entries to Eunice Lipton at:
>eunicelipton@.... Please be sure to include postal
>address. Audio cassettes, CDs, video tapes and slides should be
>sent to: Eunice Lipton, Chair of the George Watt Award
>Committee, c/o The Veterans of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade, 799
>Broadway, New York, NY 10003. Alert Ms Lipton my email that
>this has been done.
>
>The award winners will be announced each Spring. The Executive
>Committee of ALBA will appoint the judges for the contest.
>
>ALBA is a non-profit organization devoted to the preservation and
>dissemination of the record of the American role in the 1936-1939
>Spanish Civil War and itsaftermath. ALBA supervises a major
>archive at Brandeis University (the most comprehensive historical
>archive documenting the American involvement in the Spanish Civil
>War) and supports cultural and educational activities related to the
>war and its historical, political, artistic, and biographical heritage.
>Some 2,800 American men and women, realizing the danger
>international fascism presented to the world, came to the defense
>of the Spanish Republic in the years just prior to the Second World
>War. On the other side were forces led by rebel Spanish generals
>supported by Hitler and Mussolini.
>
>The prizes honor the memory of Abraham Lincoln Brigade veteran
>George Watt (1914-1994), not only for his own long anti-fascist
>record but also as a symbol of the many American men and
>women who risked, and sometimes lost, their lives in this struggle.
>Watt himself was a veteran of Spain who then served in the U.S.
>Army Corps in World War II. An effective voice for a variety of social
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With the help of the Asst. Dean, Jim Dyer, at the NJ School of 
Architecture(NJIT), I've had the privilege of helping to organize an exhibit 
of the artwork of Ujima Kuumba Majied, a lifelong Newark resident & one of 
NJIT's hard working custodians.  This exhibit is a testimony to the fact 
that many of the working people amongst us possess amazing and special 
talents that they are not often given the opportunity or room to express and 
share widely.  In opening the doors of this campus and its resources to an 
indigenous expression from the community, the NJIT body has gained an 
opportunity to learn and appreciate what the community around it really has 
to offer.

I have the honor of inviting one and all to the exhibit opening...please 
come and share this unique experience with us.

Thankyou,

Matthew Smith
Student of Architecture and Life


**************************OPENING RECEPTION*****************************


                          UJIMA KUUMBA MAJIED

                               presents:


                          MADAME C.J. WALKER

                       ~TOOLS in WORKS of ART~

                        and other expressions

                             ----------
                             SERIES ONE
                             ----------


                 Monday, February 12, 2001 at 6:30PM

                            NJSOA GALLERY

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             Directions to the NJSOA Architecture Building:

        (at the corner of MLK Jr. Blvd & Warren St. in Newark)

From the South, take TPK N to exit 14, to Rt 21 N to Market St, left, cross 
Broad St. intersection up hill, right onto MLK Jr. BLVD, past Essex County 
College, to Warren St. Look for Red brick and glass building on the left.
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PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN GENERAL MEETING

First a reminder to all that the People's Campaign is 
holding its general meeting this coming

SATURDAY FEBRUARY 10 at 2PM at the NEW BRUNSWICK PUBLIC 
LIBRARY (Livingston Ave.)

Below is the agenda proposed by the outgoing Steering 
Committee. 

Hope to see you there,

In unity,

Xavier

******************************************************

NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE�S CAMPAIGN

PROPOSED AGENDA FOR THE GENERAL MEETING OF 2-10-01

2:00PM 	Introduction by Zofia Nowakowski

2:10PM 	Approval of the Chair � Curtis Warren  
(alternative nominations can be proposed)

2:20PM 	Approval of the Agenda  -  (items may be added 
if supported by the majority)

2:30PM 	PROPOSALS BY THE STEERING COMMITTEE  

(See bottom of agenda for full text of proposals)

a) Fall 2001 Convention

 Move the Next Convention of the People�s Campaign to 
Fall 2001.

b) Open A People�s Campaign Center for Culture and 
Democracy in New Brunswick

Mobilize volunteers and resources to open a People�s 
Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy in New 
Brunswick in September of 2001.

3:00PM 	ELECTION OF NEW STEERING COMMITTEE

The People�s Campaign will elect SEVEN members AT LARGE 
to form a new Steering Committee responsible for leading 
the campaign and implementing the decisions of the 
membership between general meetings. The new Steering 
Committee will remain the leadership of the People�s 
Campaign until the next Convention when a new leadership 
will be elected. 

a) Nominations of candidates from the floor
b) One minute presentation by each candidate
c) Closing of nominations
d) 15 minute-break 	(�meet and greet� the candidates)
e) Election of seven candidates at large by secret 
ballot 

Each person can cast a vote for up to seven candidates. 
Any New Brunswick resident has the right to vote. Any 
People�s Campaign volunteer (regardless of residence) 
has the right to vote. 

[As we decided at the Convention of May 13, 2000, each 
caucus (Latino Committee, women�s caucus, student 
caucus, etc.) with at least 10 active Campaign members 
is entitled to elect one voting representative to join 
the seven at-large members in the Steering Committee. 
Active caucuses are expected hold elections for their 
voting representative at their next meeting.] 

4:15PM 	ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS AND TASKS OF THE CAMPAIGN

Proposals by the Women�s Caucus

Investigation Team and People�s Campaign Newspaper

********************************************************

PROPOSALS by the STEERING COMMITTEE (full text)

A) Move the Next Convention of the People�s Campaign to 
Fall 2001

To ensure maximum outreach and greater participation by 
the community, to consolidate and expand the broad 
alliance of democratic forces in the People�s Campaign 
in the months leading up to the Convention, to 
demonstrate our continued commitment to the empowerment 
of the New Brunswick community, and to raise the 
necessary funds to hold the event.


B) Mobilize volunteers and resources to open the 
People�s Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy in 
New Brunswick in September of 2001
	
Unite the People�s Campaign and raise the necessary 
funds to open a democratically-run, non-profit, 
cooperative center. Among the purposes of the center 
would be:

1) A headquarters to advance democracy and community 
control, promoting the platform of the People�s Campaign 
and supporting grassroots activities and programs that 
advance the points of the platform. 

2) A headquarters to strengthen the unity of democratic 
forces in the city, providing shared meeting space and 
resources to New Brunswick grassroots organizations that 
promote democracy and community control.

3) A headquarters to celebrate and promote the diverse 
cultures of the New Brunswick community, hosting 
grassroots cultural events and organizing to open public 
space throughout the city for cultural and political 
expression.

The People�s Campaign would form committees (Community 
Outreach, Small-Business Outreach, Campus Outreach, 
Cultural Events) to build support and raise money for 
the center throughout the city. The proposed target is 
$15,000 by September 2001, so that we can rent our first 
space in the heart of the community and continue to 
build upon it. The make-up of the center would be 
discussed and determined democratically at upcoming 
general meetings of the People�s Campaign.  

Sat Feb 10 2001

2pm

There will be a benefit fund raiser for Bernard White and Sharan Harper of Wake Up Call, WBAI at the Oberia Dempsey Center, 127 W 127th Street, Harlem, NY.  

Info 718-272-3840

Checks may be made payable to Bernard White or Sharan Harper.
591 Vanderbilt Ave.
Box 260
Brooklyn, NY 11238

Thanks for your email about the Global Women's Strike.  Perhaps you'd like to come to one of our
organizing meetings where we are planning the NYC action.  We will be meeting on Thursdays
nights in the East Village (the address is below; the nearest subway is the Bleeker St. stop on
the 6 or Broadway/Lafayette on the 4,5,6,B,D,Q,F). 

If you'd like to speak before then, please feel free to call me at home at 212-666-0122. 

Thanks, 
Sandy 

---------------------------------------------------------------------- 

NYC Strike Committee for the 
Global Women's Strike 8 March 2001 
PO Box 739, Bronx NY 10454 
Tel: 212-229-7671   En Espa�ol: 718-292-6137 
E-MAIL: womenstrike8m@... 
WEBSITE: http://womenstrike8m.server101.com 
MEETINGS:  2nd, 3rd & 4th Thursdays, 7:30-9pm. 
Offices of the Women's International League for 
Peace & Freedom,  339 Lafayette Street, NYC. 

********************************************************************** 
                         2nd Global Women's Strike 
                  International Women's Day, 8 March 2001 

                                 STRIKE FOR: 
      A world which values all women's work & all women's lives. 
                An end to no pay, low pay & too much work. 

        12-2pm, NE corner of 39th Street & 7th Avenue:  Rally and 
         demonstration in the garment district, in coordination with 
         the 2-hour lunch break for women being endorsed by trade 
             unions in Philadelphia, Spain and the UK. 
********************************************************************** 

January 30, 2001 

Dear Supporter of Women's Rights, 

As you may know, we in NYC participated in the Global Women's Strike on March 8, 2000 with
leafletting downtown during lunch, holding a press conference the day before at the offices of a
lawyer representing victims of Pinochet's regime where we invited Phoebe Schellenberg from the
Philadelphia Strike Committee to join us, and celebrating the day at Brooklyn's The Rising Cafe
in the evening.  Plans are underway for GWS 2001 both here and around the world.  As a letter
from the strike committee in Philadelphia who are helping coordinate US strike activities said: 

"On March 8, 2000, women and girls in 64 countries on every continent took what time they could
from waged and unwaged work in the first-ever Global Strike -- giving women's answer to the
global market.  For the Market the production of things is prioritized over caring for people. 
But we acted together across national boundaries to prioritize caring work in 'a millennium
which values all women's work and all women's lives' and for 'an end to no pay, low pay and
overwork' that the Market imposes on us in every country.  The historic first Strike was a
triumph, and one we can build on. 


We are expecting even wider participation for the second Strike. Are you able to see the Strike
website?  It gives a broadening picture of what women achieved worldwide, ideas for actions and
for men's support and participation in the Strike.  Involved so far include: * CHAD - a human
rights group based at the offices of a disability organization and four sister organizations;
*COLOMBIA - actresses and women authors; *GHANA - women organizing translations into local
languages, others performing a play about domestic workers' pay; *HONDURAS - 500 women in a
rural region; *NORWAY - a resource center for Black, immigrant and refugee women; *IRELAND -
women plan picket to draw attention to the socio-economic gap between the women in power and
other women; *ARGENTINA & SPAIN -launched their Strike mobilization in October; *PERU - domestic
workers are asking their feminist employers for the day off; *ENGLAND - a GWS Caravan will take
to the road in November, visiting cities and towns across England, bringing Strike news from
other places and inviting local women to join in." 

Our plans for a strike and demonstration in NYC are outlined above and 
build on our actions and slogan of last year: "We're not out to lunch, 
we're out on strike!"  This idea has been furthered by the Wages for 
Housework Campaign (the group that coordinated the Strike in the US) in Philadelphia, which,
together with the Phila. Coalition of Labor Union Women and the Phila. and PA National
Organization for Women (NOW), is planning a 2-hour lunch break on March 8 against no pay and low
pay and for pay equity, with a speakout and rally at City Hall.  Some people are picking up on
the 2-hour lunch break against no pay and low pay and for pay equity.  As they wrote in Phila., 

"This speaks not only to those of us in waged work but also to those of us working full-time at
home, women on welfare, students, unwaged caregivers for children or those who are sick,
disabled, and elderly (as well as the unwaged work we do for ourselves), volunteers, women in
family businesses and family farms, activists on community, anti- 
globalization and other concerns, and many others!" 

Please let us know if you are planning a Strike activity, and how we might be able to help with
materials, publicity, contacts, etc.  We welcome your participation in the NYC Strike
Committee's meetings and activities and look forward to hearing back from you soon! 

Power to the Sisters to Stop the World and Change it, 

Sandy Opatow, NYC Strike Committee coordinator 
Nieves Ayress 
Maria Ba�uelos 
Susan Kirsch 

P.S. Do check out the Strike website.  Also, there are Strike 2001 T-shirts ($15 including
postage), and Strike 2000 t-shirts (on sale while they last for $7), buttons ($1), postcards
($.50) and stickers ($3 for a page of 10).  You can find these on the website, too

>Opposition to Ashcroft Made History; Now We Need to Consolidate this
>Opposition
>
>[We didn't win, but we made a mark. The vast array of public forces -
>the labor movement, the civil rights movement, the women's movement,
>the independent political movement (outside of the two main parties,
>and even those still within the Democratic Party), and their allies
>made a mark on the country. We could not prevent Ashcroft's
>nomination, but we have re-grouped and are prepared to fight anew.
>Here is how one organization, People for the American Way, summarized
>the breath and extent of the anti-Ashcroft movement. Following that,
>is the commentary from Ted Glick , Ashcroft, Racism and the Democrats.
>-Moderator]
>
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>Alert Date: February 1, 2001  --  Circulate Until: February 10, 2001
>
>        YOU MADE HISTORY!
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>(1) YOU MADE HISTORY!
>
>Well, the campaign to defeat John Ashcroft for US Attorney General has
>come to a close. If you signed the petition, wrote and called your
>Senators and/or phone banked at our offices, you were part of a
>campaign that made history.  We do not believe that John Ashcroft is
>the right person for the job of Attorney General.  While in the end we
>failed to defeat the nomination, we did achieve some important
>objectives:
>
>*When the campaign started, pundits and journalists alike predicted
>the Ashcroft would sail through the confirmation process.  Today he
>was confirmed by a margin of only eight votes.
>
>*Senate opposition to John Ashcroft was a record high for votes cast
>against a cabinet nominee who was confirmed. In 1985, 31 Senators
>opposed the confirmation of Attorney General nominee Ed Meese.
>
>*We estimate that there were well over a million contacts made with
>Senators opposing Ashcroft's nomination.  You weren't alone!  Almost
>a quarter of a million petitions were signed and delivered to the
>United States Senate from OpposeAshcroft.com alone.
>
>*Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) announced her opposition to Ashcroft's
>confirmation the day after she received almost 30,000 of your
>petitions!
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>*This campaign has helped us pull together a progressive movement
>that will be a political force throughout the nation.
>
>*You helped send a clear message to George W. Bush: whenever the
>Bush administration attempts to turn back the clock on fundamental
>rights and freedoms, we will stand up and fight.  AND right-wing
>nominees to the Supreme Court will NOT be confirmed.
>
>______________________________________________________________________
>
>(2) THE REAL DEAL!
>
>We are not making these numbers up, or "spinning" them -- we don't
>need to.  You signed 232,528 petitions in less than 3 weeks.  What
>follows is the breakdown by state:
>
>          AK: 520        AL: 808        AR: 762        AZ: 3,365
>          CA: 49,425     CO: 4,798      CT: 4,592      DC: 2,280
>          DE: 494        FL: 10,438     GA: 4,366      HI: 816
>          IA: 1,159      ID: 533        IL: 10,130     IN: 2,110
>          KS: 1,412      KY: 1,380      LA: 1,331      MA: 10,913
>          MD: 5,798      ME: 1,870      MI: 4,730      MN: 3,570
>          MO: 4,344      MS: 254        MT: 499        NC: 4,433
>          ND: 172        NE: 647        NH: 1,293      NJ: 7,666
>          NM: 1,828      NV: 846        NY: 30,412     OH: 4,826
>          OK: 884        OR: 5,085      PA: 8,210      RI: 899
>          SC: 1,057      SD: 191        TN: 2,377      TX: 8,488
>          UT: 720        VA: 5,654      VT: 1,675      WA: 8,841
>          WI: 2,919      WV: 474        WY: 234
>
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>Ashcroft, Racism and the Democrats
>
>
>Future Hope column, February 4, 2001
>
>Ashcroft, Racism and the Democrats
>
>By Ted Glick
>
>John Ashcroft may be Attorney-General, but Senate Democrats are proud
>that they have "sent a message" to President-Select Bush and his
>Republican partners-in-crime by their 42 votes in opposition, one more
>than needed to keep a filibuster going. 42 votes that, on an
>immediate, practical level, mean nothing, really.
>It's ironic. One plus 41 equals 42.
>
>There was not one--not one!--U.S. Senator willing to support the dozen
>or so members of the Congressional Black Caucus who had the courage to
>buck the system and challenge the official selection of Bush as
>President by the electoral college. If only one had done so, for a
>brief period of time, the illegitimacy of the Bush regime would have
>been exposed through debate in the halls of Congress. But there was
>NOT ONE!
>
>There were, however, 41 bullets fired by four, white NYPD police
>officers two years ago today at an unarmed African immigrant, Amadou
>Diallo, standing in the vestibule of his home in the South Bronx.
>One plus 41 equals 42, and here's the real problem: not only is Bush
>the President and Ashcroft the Attorney-General and Amadou Diallo
>dead; the killers of Diallo were acquited of all charges by a criminal
>justice system that, as experienced by black, brown and red people in
>the United States, is riddled, cancer-like, with racism. After all,
>close to three quarters of the two million people in prison or jail--
>the highest rate of any country in the entire world--are black or
>brown, despite being about 25% of the population.
>
>Think about it. Especially if you're a white person: think about it,
>please.
>
>I've just returned from a rally in the Bronx in front of 1157 Wheeler
>Avenue, the late Amadou Diallo's home. There were a number of good
>things about the rally, but I and others there were not happy about
>the proliferation of Democratic Party politicians who spoke. At one
>point, New York City Comptroller and Mayoral candidate Alan Hevesi, an
>establishment Democrat from way back, was prevented from speaking by
>the boos from the crowd after he said, "Most police are decent
>people." I never heard another word that he tried to say over the
>loudspeaker before he left the stage about five minutes later.
>
>Most white people, including progressive white people, probably agree
>with Hevesi. As experienced by most white people, what Hevesi said is
>pretty true. But because of "the wall between," as Anne Braden has
>described the wall of racism and white supremacy, there is far too
>much white ignorance of how the police and criminal justice system are
>experienced by communities of color. It is truly as if we are living
>in different countries.
>
>It's really a form of social pathology, this denial of racism. As
>another example, here's what nationally-syndicated, liberal columnist
>John Farmer had to say about Ashcroft and his racism, in a Jan. 8th
>column as carried in the Newark, N.J. Star-Ledger: "Less well-known is
>Ashcroft's opposition to a voluntary desegregation of St. Louis
>schools. Or his honorary degree from South Carolina's Bob Jones
>University--a hotbed of anti-black and anti-Catholic bile. Then there
>are his laudatory comments about the Old Confederacy in 'Southern
>Partisan,' a magazine nostalgic for the rebel past. None of this
>warrants labeling Ashcroft a racist, as some liberals do."
>
>I guess for John Farmer, you're not a racist unless you're a leader of
>the Ku Klux Klan, John Birch Society or their ilk. His moderation in
>defense of racism is all too typical of those in the corporate media
>and those in leadership of the two corporate parties. Which brings me
>back to the 42 Senate Democrats who voted against Ashcroft.
>
>There were this many votes primarily because of the groundswell of
>independent, grassroots pressure which forced most Senate Democrats to
>take the stands which they did. This grassroots movement was composed
>of liberal and progressive Democrats and liberal and progressive
>independents. Some of these people were at each other's political
>throats two months before in bitter debate over whether Nader or Gore
>was the correct Presidential choice.
>
>A good chunk--not all, certainly, but a significant percentage--of
>this grassroots movement has an understanding on some level about the
>pernicious and destructive nature of racism and the need to oppose it.
>And it is relatively united on a range of other issues. It is
>essential that we actively search for ways to continue working
>together in the future, which has to mean that we do so in a way which
>recognizes both the commonalities on issues and the differences when
>it comes to longer-range political strategy. If we do this, if we do
>it with explicit and conscious anti-racism at its center, then there
>is reason to believe that these four years under Bush could see the
>emergence of a powerful, multi-racial, independent movement with
>significant leadership from African Americans/people of color, as this
>country experienced during the 1980s with the Rainbow movement.
>
>Absent such a development, Senate Democrats and House Democrats cannot
>be trusted to do the right thing. Absent such a movement, forget their
>having the intestinal fortitude to conduct needed filibusters. But
>with such a movement, there is hope, real hope for this country, not
>just in the short term under Republican rule but in the urgent task of
>saving this earth and the possibility of true democracy, with justice
>and freedom for all.
>
>Ted Glick is National Coordinator of the Independent Progressive
>Politics Network (www.ippn.org) and author of Future Hope: A Winning
>Strategy for a Just Society. He can be reached at futurehopeTG@...
>or P.O. Box 1132, Bloomfield, N.J. 07003.
>
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hi everyone: i am sending this to everyone in my address book. we were 
infected with a virus here at work, and it possible that the virus grabbed 
on to my address book. Please read my colleague's message below, as it is my 
warning to you.

blast these viruses!

sorry if this has inconvenienced you,
Kristina

>
>Friends,
>
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>copies of itself to all the addresses in my e-mail contacts list.  Don't
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>any additional damage.  I'm really sorry, folks.
>
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>For the First Time the PSC-CUNY
>will sponsor a forum for all union members
>(and friends of course)to participate interviewing
>the four people who want to run for
>NYC Mayor.
>
>The Forum is here at the Grad Center
>
>February 15th
>at the CUNY Graduate Center
>
>Four candidates for NYC Mayor
>will present their goals for
>the city--and CUNY--and respond
>to questions from the audience.
>
>CONFIRMED SPEAKERS ARE:
>Fernando Ferrer, Bronx Borough President
>Mark Green, NYC Public Advocate
>Alan Hevesi, NYC Comptroller
>Peter Vallone, Speaker of the City Council
>
>The event begins at 6 p.m. Each candidate
>will have 45 minutes: roughly 20 to 25 for
>a presentation and 25 to 20 minutes to
>respond to questions.
>
>further information available on the
>psc website:
>www.psc-cuny.org
>
>Chris Cage
>Director, Public Relations
>PSC

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>From: siddharta5@...
>To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] STRATEGY & PROGRAM MEETING WED. FEB. 14, 7PM 
>Maplewood
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 04:23:16 -0000
>
>To: Participants, Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey
>From Bob Bender
>
>Re: Proposal for Guidelines and Action by our group
>
>February 13, 2001
>
>Our Interim Steering Committee - E. Belvin Williams, Judy White and
>Howard Nelson - presented Proposals at our February 4 General Meeting.
>We are all indebted to them. The February 4 body extracted  "What We
>Favor", below and adopted it.  We now should consider further
>self-definition and a proposed program through June.
>
>EVERYONE IS INVITED TO A MEETING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES  HERE -
>STRATEGY AND PROGRAM -  WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 7 P.M., Ethical
>Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street, Maplewood.  What
>emerges will be presented at our general meeting on February 21.
>
>What follows is my reformulation and revision of the prior
>recommendations:
>
>Mission for Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey:  To bring about a
>listener-sponsored, commercial-free station which has reasonable local
>autonomy and which operates with a  democratically selected Local
>Advisory Board.
>
>Statement of Principles - those proposed previously:
>
>1. Our behavior is to be governed by the Platinum Rule: Knowingly, Do
>No Harm.  Common decency and civility are our watchwords.
>
>2. Personal attacks are forbidden.  Explain your reasons for critique
>in support of or in opposition to another's ideas.
>
>3. When stating your position, present your supporting reasoning and
>evidence.  Allow others to do likewise. Listen to yourself and others.
>
>4. Prioritize, emphasize, justify and consider likely consequences of
>recommendations.
>
>5. Our group acts as an impatient democracy.  Your participation is
>essential to prevent elitism and for consideration of new ideas.  All
>group members have a right to speak for a fair amount of time on the
>subjects under consideration.  Time will be made available for
>consideration of "new business".
>
>6.  When all else fails, Roberts'Rules of Order will govern meeting
>procedure.
>
>What We Favor:  the principles and calls to action in the "Statement
>of the Concerned Friends of WBAI, adopted by Concerned Friends 1/11/01
>and by CF-NJ 2/4/01, and that adopted by the WBAI shop of the
>Amalgamated UE Local 404 at its 1/18/01 meeting. (Adopted at our
>February 4 meeting)
>
>Short Range Objectives:
>
>1.  Promote boycott of current WBAI fundraiser
>and channeling of contributions to other groups consistent with our
>mission.
>
>2. Work toward a democratic process involving paid and unpaid staff,
>listeners and Local Advisory Board members to determine the management
>of WBAI and toward a democratically elected Local Advisory Board.
>
>3. Support the current lawsuits against the Pacifica National Board.
>
>Short Range Program (through June 30, 2001):
>
>1. Demonstrate against Epstein Becker Green law firm in Newark on
>February 20. Conduct public meeting in early March about the status of
>the National Pacifica Board.
>
>2. Continue organizational development - increasing outreach,
>contacts, means of communication, fundraising.
>
>
>
>
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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From: "Diane Krauthamer" <skankin9@...>
Reply-To: starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com
To: studentactionunion@egroups.com, nfjo@egroups.com, 
peoplescampaign@egroups.com, nj-add@egroups.com, nbfoodnotbombs@egroups.com, 
rugreens@egroups.com, starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [starc-rutgers] Join the New Brunswick Community Street-Cleaning 
Brigade!!
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:12:16

~~~~~Please circulate this important news far and wide, via email
 >and word of mouth~~~~~
     SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 11 AM ----- COMMUNITY DEMONSTRATION!!!
     What do George Street and Devco have in common? They are both
located in New Brunswick, and they are both very dirty!

    Join the New Brunswick Community Street-Cleaning Brigade at 11
AM on Sunday morning as we, equipped with surgical gloves and trash
bags, clean the trash and filth from George Street. We will show
Devco that we don't need its violent, undemocratic redevelopment in
order for  our city to be clean!

    The street-cleaning will begin at 11 AM on Sunday, February 18.
We will meet at the fountain at the intersection between George
Street and Livingston Avenue. After the street-cleaning, we will
hold a peaceful demonstration at the headquarters of Devco, to
symbolize their corruption, dirtiness and brutal disregard for the
well-being of the residents of New Brunswick.

     Why are we protesting Devco? We are protesting Devco because it
is a corporation controlled by Johnson & Johnson, and for 20 years
it has been conspiring to take control of downtown New Brunswick. >Numerous
locally owned businesses have been bought out or shut down
by Devco to make way for the uniformity of corporate chain stores. >The
loyal residents of Section 8 Housing are being viciously
expelled from the city, and their houses destroyed, to make way for
upper-income apartment complexes. Last year Devco shut down and
fenced in a treasured community garden on George St. We will resist
the commercialization of our city and the destruction of our
community!

     So, join us at the fountain at 11 AM on Sunday, as we catalyze a
movement for the democratic development of our city that benefits >all of
its residents, not only the rich and the corporations. We
will not rest until every citizen can have free, equal, and direct
participation in the development of our city!

     -- Signed --
     The New Brunswick Community Street-Cleaning Brigade


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>From: Sheila Hamanaka <Sheilahamanaka@...>
>To: rockland friends of wbai <rocklandfriendsofwbai@yahoogroups.com>, NJ 
>friends of wbai <FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Just talked to Amy
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:54 -0500
>
>WE ARE TRANSMITTING A MESSAGE FROM OUR FRIENDS FROM ROCKLAND.
>
>Sheila Hamanaka manages a free access Concerned Friends Group where all can 
>comment.  The Rockland Group is smaller and is more discussion oriented.  
>We encourage our members to log on to the group page to get up to the 
>minute news from the struggle at hand.  Thank you Sheila Hamanaka 
><Sheilahamanaka@...>.  The Rockland CF URL is 
>groups.yahoo.com/group/rocklandfriendsofwbai.  And now for the message...
>================================================================================
>
>Thursday 10:07 am
>
>     I called the station to find out what happened to Democracy Now and
>the volunteer said "it's airing nationally" and "go on the internet"
>
>     I said "I went to the Pacifica site and the only show they're airing
>is yesterday's show."
>
>     She said Amy was there, in the room and I asked to speak to her.
>
>     I asked Amy what why they weren't airing the show in NY and she said
>I'd have to ask Utrice (and another fellow I forget his name). I said
>they announced they often take Democracy Now off for fund drives and she
>said no they never do. I told her we would call in to protest.
>
>     SO PLEASE CALL THE STATION TO PROTEST. THE FUND DRIVE # IS
>212-209-2950
>
>
>PS    radio kankaan host d. faye is the fellow on the air who pre-empted
>Amy.
>
>
>
>
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Hi everyone

We are having a meeting about the New Brunswick People's Campaign youth 
program on Wednesday February 21 at Louise's
house at 7:30. (136 Baldwin St, two blocks from the corner of livingston 
ave, 2nd floor. If you need directions or a ride call me
at 545-7207.)

Some things we would like to discuss are the tasks necessary to keep the day 
to day aspects of the program going, as well as a
general plan for the future direction of the program, both theoretically and 
practically (which of course are very connected).
Please come with all your ideas.

Hope to see you there.

Louise & Sam
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>From: siddharta5@...
>To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes & Budget
>Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0000
>
>Friends,
>
>These are minutes and budget for our group.  Your questions, comments
>and assistance are in order.  Please also examine part 2 which
>outlines the budget.  We are trying to defray costs and any donations
>of services or of funds will offset future fund raising.
>=====================================================================
>Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey - Decisions and Notes,
>Meetings February 7 and 11, 2001
>
>Main Decisions (and some updates):
>
>I. Pledging/Contributing: At the February 7 meeting, the body
>reviewed the/a current draft from CF, and resolved the following for
>us:
>
>     A. Contributions and Unconditional Pledges to WBAI should be
>withheld until all demands outlined in the Conditional Pledge are met
>
>     B. Conditional Pledge forms should be submitted to CF. These are
>to be mailed out centrally by CF. Note:  I was informed by phone on
>February 12 that some forms may have been mailed out in error.  They
>are being recalled.
>
>     C. The central mailing will also list several  organizations
>which are soliciting funds, including CF.
>
>UPSHOT: THINGS ARE STILL IN FLUX.  AWAIT FURTHER GUIDANCE.
>
>II. FEBRUARY 20 DEMONSTRATION AT NEWARK OFFICE OF EPSTEIN BECKER
>GREEN, GATEWAY ONE NEWARK -4:30 - 7 P.M.  This is coordinated with
>the
>New York demo - coordinator:  Steve Bernhaut - SBernhaut@... -
>various specific assignments made - leaflets, distributions
>
>III. ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICIES AND BUDGET FOR PERIOD 1/1/01 -
>3/31/01- to be available via Fred's yahoo group mechanism
>
>IV. NAME AND ORGANIZATIONAL FORM: CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI - NEW
>JERSEY (as of now, subject to change with other groups,
>circumstances) Unincorporated.  Independent affiliate of Concerned
>Friends.
>
>Other Decisions and Discussion
>
>V. Finances: We want to reimburse expenditures made on our behalf,
>including Paul Surovell's $260 for initial 800 piece mailing.  Paul
>will seek a contribution toward this from CF.  Hetty Rosenstein is
>leading an effort to secure organizational endorsements and
>donations, in cash and in-kind from unions.  The need for organized
>fundraising was reiterated several times. (The budget specifies
>contributions at meetings and subscriptions - 60 people @$20 for our
>expeneses through 3/31/01). Treasurer Rosa Federico suggested writing
>for the contributions.  She, Bob Bender, Fred Nguyen and Terri Suess
>will be account signators and Finance Committee.
>
>VI. Communications Committee - Fred Nguyen established a Yahoo group
>FRIENDSWBAINJ - URL is GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/FRIENSWBAINJ. Fred and
>Paul Suvorell are setting up a phone tree. Decision was that mailings
>should now go only to those without email. Everyone will be on the
>phone tree.
>
>VII.  Legal Representation.  Newark labor attorney Bennett Zurofsky
>agreed to advise us.  Joe Fortunado, Montclair attorney, agreed to
>observe at the demonstration.  Bennett will leave the demo at 6 p.m.
>
>VIII Media Group is functioning - Contact Gus Menezes -
>Gusphoto@.... Organizer of Outreach/Membership Group:  Diane
>Beeny-908-233-7344
>
>VII Other and Related Events:  Sign-making party for demo - this
>Friday, Feb 16 ,6 p.m., home of Peggy Waldman, 16 Sage Drive, Warren
>Twsp - 908-647-2968.
>
>  Our next working meeting - open to all - is Wednesday, February 21,
>7 p.m., Ethical Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street,
>Maplewood. Hopefully will have updated report from Strategy and
>Program Committee.
>
>Friday, March 2, 7:15 p.m. -Video on/by KPFA - Berkeley providing
>background on Pacifica, the struggle at Berkeley, and particular
>attention to the elected Local Advisory Board - all welcome
>-sponsored by the Ethical Culture Social Action Committee - 516
>Prospect Street, Maplewood
>
>Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m. TENTATIVE - Dissident Pacifica National
>Board member Leslie Cagan reports back on the PNB situation -maybe
>with others.
>
>Recorders/Reporters:  Fred Nguyen, Bob Bender
>=====================================================================
>FISCAL POLICIES, NJ CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI- NEW JERSEY - ADOPTED
>2/11/01
>
>1.  Receipts. All receipts shall be forwarded immediately to the
>treasurer for deposit into an organizational account.  Amounts
>collected at public events shall be counted by someone other than the
>Treasurer with amounts listed in the minutes of that event
>
>2.  Expenditures:
>
>     a. Budgeted expenditures may be approved by the person in charge
>of the project or activity.
>
>     b.  General expenditures should be approved prior to
>authorization at a general or appropriate organizational meeting.
>
>     c.  Emergency expenditures of no more than $150  may be
>authorized by the Treasurer and one other responsible organizational
>principal.
>
>     d. Signatures of 2 responsible organizational representatives
>shall be required for checks more than $200.
>
>3.  Reporting.  For each general meeting the treasurer shall present
>a report itemizing receipts and expenditures.
>
>4.  Reconciliation of monthly bank statements shall be performed by
>someone other than the Treasurer.
>
>5.  Budget.  The Organization shall adopt a budget for the relevant
>period, initially presumably a quite short period, which shall be
>presented for consideration at a general meeting, with prior
>circularization at least by email strongly recommended.
>
>  Initial Budget - for period January 15 - March 31, 2001 - adopted
>2/11/01
>
>Events:  2 General Public Meetings - (one held Feb 4), 5 planning and
>decision-making meetings, 4 committee meetings, one demonstration
>
>Expenditures
>
>Mailings - postage and reproduction             $600
>
>Reproduction - information, agendas, fliers     $400
>
>Signs, other supplies                           $100
>
>Room Rentals                                    $200
>
>Refreshments for Meetings                        $75
>
>Miscellaneous                                   $200
>
>Media Expenses                                  $250
>
>Program, Other                                  $300
>
>TOTAL EXPENDITURES                              $2125
>
>
>RECEIPTS
>
>Collections at meetings                         $800
>
>Assessments - 60 people @$20                    $1200
>
>TOTAL RECEIPTS                                  $2000
>=====================================================================
>
>
>
>
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>FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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Hi

Due to the fact that a lot of people could not make the wednesday meeting, 
we have changed the meeting for the People's Campaign youth program to 
Friday Feb 23 at 7pm at the same place (see below). Hope this time is better 
for people.

Louise

(meeting address: 136 Baldwin St, two blocks from the corner of livingston 
ave, 2nd floor. If you need directions or a ride call me
at 545-7207.)
>
>Some things we would like to discuss are the tasks necessary to keep the 
>day to day aspects of the program going, as well as a
>general plan for the future direction of the program, both theoretically 
>and practically (which of course are very connected).
>Please come with all your ideas.
>
>Hope to see you there.
>
>Louise & Sam
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matt,

before I call BAI, I want to be clear on what's going on: so they've taken 
democracy now! off the air? I realized that I hadn't heard it in the past 
few mornings (and instead heard Utrice's annoying condescending voice), but 
didn't make the connection... can you confirm?

kristina


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Just talked to Amy
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:41:57
>
>
>
>
> >From: Sheila Hamanaka <Sheilahamanaka@...>
> >To: rockland friends of wbai <rocklandfriendsofwbai@yahoogroups.com>, NJ
> >friends of wbai <FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Just talked to Amy
> >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:37:54 -0500
> >
> >WE ARE TRANSMITTING A MESSAGE FROM OUR FRIENDS FROM ROCKLAND.
> >
> >Sheila Hamanaka manages a free access Concerned Friends Group where all 
>can
> >comment.  The Rockland Group is smaller and is more discussion oriented.
> >We encourage our members to log on to the group page to get up to the
> >minute news from the struggle at hand.  Thank you Sheila Hamanaka
> ><Sheilahamanaka@...>.  The Rockland CF URL is
> >groups.yahoo.com/group/rocklandfriendsofwbai.  And now for the message...
> >================================================================================
> >
> >Thursday 10:07 am
> >
> >     I called the station to find out what happened to Democracy Now and
> >the volunteer said "it's airing nationally" and "go on the internet"
> >
> >     I said "I went to the Pacifica site and the only show they're airing
> >is yesterday's show."
> >
> >     She said Amy was there, in the room and I asked to speak to her.
> >
> >     I asked Amy what why they weren't airing the show in NY and she said
> >I'd have to ask Utrice (and another fellow I forget his name). I said
> >they announced they often take Democracy Now off for fund drives and she
> >said no they never do. I told her we would call in to protest.
> >
> >     SO PLEASE CALL THE STATION TO PROTEST. THE FUND DRIVE # IS
> >212-209-2950
> >
> >
> >PS    radio kankaan host d. faye is the fellow on the air who pre-empted
> >Amy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>
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what are people's thoughts on withholding their membership contributions to 
BAI? I'm up for renewing, but have been confused by conflicting suggestions 
as to what to do... is there an alternative fund set up?


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes 
>& Budget
>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:37:40
>
>
>
>
> >From: siddharta5@...
> >To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes & Budget
> >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0000
> >
> >Friends,
> >
> >These are minutes and budget for our group.  Your questions, comments
> >and assistance are in order.  Please also examine part 2 which
> >outlines the budget.  We are trying to defray costs and any donations
> >of services or of funds will offset future fund raising.
> >=====================================================================
> >Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey - Decisions and Notes,
> >Meetings February 7 and 11, 2001
> >
> >Main Decisions (and some updates):
> >
> >I. Pledging/Contributing: At the February 7 meeting, the body
> >reviewed the/a current draft from CF, and resolved the following for
> >us:
> >
> >     A. Contributions and Unconditional Pledges to WBAI should be
> >withheld until all demands outlined in the Conditional Pledge are met
> >
> >     B. Conditional Pledge forms should be submitted to CF. These are
> >to be mailed out centrally by CF. Note:  I was informed by phone on
> >February 12 that some forms may have been mailed out in error.  They
> >are being recalled.
> >
> >     C. The central mailing will also list several  organizations
> >which are soliciting funds, including CF.
> >
> >UPSHOT: THINGS ARE STILL IN FLUX.  AWAIT FURTHER GUIDANCE.
> >
> >II. FEBRUARY 20 DEMONSTRATION AT NEWARK OFFICE OF EPSTEIN BECKER
> >GREEN, GATEWAY ONE NEWARK -4:30 - 7 P.M.  This is coordinated with
> >the
> >New York demo - coordinator:  Steve Bernhaut - SBernhaut@... -
> >various specific assignments made - leaflets, distributions
> >
> >III. ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICIES AND BUDGET FOR PERIOD 1/1/01 -
> >3/31/01- to be available via Fred's yahoo group mechanism
> >
> >IV. NAME AND ORGANIZATIONAL FORM: CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI - NEW
> >JERSEY (as of now, subject to change with other groups,
> >circumstances) Unincorporated.  Independent affiliate of Concerned
> >Friends.
> >
> >Other Decisions and Discussion
> >
> >V. Finances: We want to reimburse expenditures made on our behalf,
> >including Paul Surovell's $260 for initial 800 piece mailing.  Paul
> >will seek a contribution toward this from CF.  Hetty Rosenstein is
> >leading an effort to secure organizational endorsements and
> >donations, in cash and in-kind from unions.  The need for organized
> >fundraising was reiterated several times. (The budget specifies
> >contributions at meetings and subscriptions - 60 people @$20 for our
> >expeneses through 3/31/01). Treasurer Rosa Federico suggested writing
> >for the contributions.  She, Bob Bender, Fred Nguyen and Terri Suess
> >will be account signators and Finance Committee.
> >
> >VI. Communications Committee - Fred Nguyen established a Yahoo group
> >FRIENDSWBAINJ - URL is GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/FRIENSWBAINJ. Fred and
> >Paul Suvorell are setting up a phone tree. Decision was that mailings
> >should now go only to those without email. Everyone will be on the
> >phone tree.
> >
> >VII.  Legal Representation.  Newark labor attorney Bennett Zurofsky
> >agreed to advise us.  Joe Fortunado, Montclair attorney, agreed to
> >observe at the demonstration.  Bennett will leave the demo at 6 p.m.
> >
> >VIII Media Group is functioning - Contact Gus Menezes -
> >Gusphoto@.... Organizer of Outreach/Membership Group:  Diane
> >Beeny-908-233-7344
> >
> >VII Other and Related Events:  Sign-making party for demo - this
> >Friday, Feb 16 ,6 p.m., home of Peggy Waldman, 16 Sage Drive, Warren
> >Twsp - 908-647-2968.
> >
> >  Our next working meeting - open to all - is Wednesday, February 21,
> >7 p.m., Ethical Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street,
> >Maplewood. Hopefully will have updated report from Strategy and
> >Program Committee.
> >
> >Friday, March 2, 7:15 p.m. -Video on/by KPFA - Berkeley providing
> >background on Pacifica, the struggle at Berkeley, and particular
> >attention to the elected Local Advisory Board - all welcome
> >-sponsored by the Ethical Culture Social Action Committee - 516
> >Prospect Street, Maplewood
> >
> >Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m. TENTATIVE - Dissident Pacifica National
> >Board member Leslie Cagan reports back on the PNB situation -maybe
> >with others.
> >
> >Recorders/Reporters:  Fred Nguyen, Bob Bender
> >=====================================================================
> >FISCAL POLICIES, NJ CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI- NEW JERSEY - ADOPTED
> >2/11/01
> >
> >1.  Receipts. All receipts shall be forwarded immediately to the
> >treasurer for deposit into an organizational account.  Amounts
> >collected at public events shall be counted by someone other than the
> >Treasurer with amounts listed in the minutes of that event
> >
> >2.  Expenditures:
> >
> >     a. Budgeted expenditures may be approved by the person in charge
> >of the project or activity.
> >
> >     b.  General expenditures should be approved prior to
> >authorization at a general or appropriate organizational meeting.
> >
> >     c.  Emergency expenditures of no more than $150  may be
> >authorized by the Treasurer and one other responsible organizational
> >principal.
> >
> >     d. Signatures of 2 responsible organizational representatives
> >shall be required for checks more than $200.
> >
> >3.  Reporting.  For each general meeting the treasurer shall present
> >a report itemizing receipts and expenditures.
> >
> >4.  Reconciliation of monthly bank statements shall be performed by
> >someone other than the Treasurer.
> >
> >5.  Budget.  The Organization shall adopt a budget for the relevant
> >period, initially presumably a quite short period, which shall be
> >presented for consideration at a general meeting, with prior
> >circularization at least by email strongly recommended.
> >
> >  Initial Budget - for period January 15 - March 31, 2001 - adopted
> >2/11/01
> >
> >Events:  2 General Public Meetings - (one held Feb 4), 5 planning and
> >decision-making meetings, 4 committee meetings, one demonstration
> >
> >Expenditures
> >
> >Mailings - postage and reproduction             $600
> >
> >Reproduction - information, agendas, fliers     $400
> >
> >Signs, other supplies                           $100
> >
> >Room Rentals                                    $200
> >
> >Refreshments for Meetings                        $75
> >
> >Miscellaneous                                   $200
> >
> >Media Expenses                                  $250
> >
> >Program, Other                                  $300
> >
> >TOTAL EXPENDITURES                              $2125
> >
> >
> >RECEIPTS
> >
> >Collections at meetings                         $800
> >
> >Assessments - 60 people @$20                    $1200
> >
> >TOTAL RECEIPTS                                  $2000
> >=====================================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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 From: 
        Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> Save Address - Block Sender
 To: 
        <pacificacampaign@...> Save Address
 Subject: 
        Thanks for Responding
 Date: 
        Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:48:07 -0500

We have been overwhelmed by all your e-mails and phone calls that came in
the last few days from around the country in response to my resignation from
Democracy Now! and my call for a national campaign to boycott Pacifica and
oust the board of directors.

Several volunteers are busy right now cataloging your responses, listing
your questions and building a contact list for the future. I hope to respond
personally to as many messages as I can.

Within the next few days we will be sending you more information on the
campaign that hopefully will answer your questions, and we will suggest a
variety of concrete ways you can get involved. We will also provide you a
method for making tax-deductible contributions either on-line or by mail.

Meanwhile, please be patient. And please don�t pledge any money to your
local Pacifica station until the network has been reclaimed for its
listeners.

By the way, if you didn�t send us your address and telephone number, please
e-mail us at pacificacampaign@... or call (212) 871-9322. (Because of
the volume of e-mails we�ve had to include another e-mail account:
pacificacampaign@.... Both e-mails are working.)

Thanks for your support, and remember, we must keep Amy Goodman and
Democracy Now! on the air.

    Venceremos,
    Juan Gonzalez

Kris, Unless there's a specific program that you absolutely want to endorse 
with a pledge, I would support sending your contribution to the "pacifica 
campaign" set up by Juan Gonzalez & Co., after he retired from Democracy 
Now! last week.  Yesterday, the scabs at WBAI cut off Amy Goodman to 
fundraise because it seems she and others have been carrying out a work 
"slow-down".  earlier this week, Amy read a great commentary from Mumia 
supporting her show, and encouraging people to step up the protests against 
the coup, and tying it into the rightward swing on the national level.  I 
think there's a NJ Friends of WBAI meeting this weekend up my way which I'll 
try to get to & find out more....


From:
        Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...> Save Address - Block
Sender
To:
        <pacificacampaign@...> Save Address
Subject:
        Thanks for Responding
Date:
        Sat, 03 Feb 2001 18:48:07 -0500

We have been overwhelmed by all your e-mails and phone calls that came in
the last few days from around the country in response to my resignation from
Democracy Now! and my call for a national campaign to boycott Pacifica and
oust the board of directors.

Several volunteers are busy right now cataloging your responses, listing
your questions and building a contact list for the future. I hope to respond
personally to as many messages as I can.

Within the next few days we will be sending you more information on the
campaign that hopefully will answer your questions, and we will suggest a
variety of concrete ways you can get involved. We will also provide you a
method for making tax-deductible contributions either on-line or by mail.

Meanwhile, please be patient. And please don�t pledge any money to your
local Pacifica station until the network has been reclaimed for its
listeners.

By the way, if you didn�t send us your address and telephone number, please
e-mail us at pacificacampaign@... or call (212) 871-9322. (Because of
the volume of e-mails we�ve had to include another e-mail account:
pacificacampaign@.... Both e-mails are working.)

Thanks for your support, and remember, we must keep Amy Goodman and
Democracy Now! on the air.

    Venceremos,
    Juan Gonzalez



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From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting 
Minutes & Budget
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:03:27

what are people's thoughts on withholding their membership contributions to
BAI? I'm up for renewing, but have been confused by conflicting suggestions
as to what to do... is there an alternative fund set up?


 >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
 >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [nbpc] Fwd: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting 
Minutes
 >& Budget
 >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:37:40
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > >From: siddharta5@...
 > >To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
 > >Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] C.F.WBAI-NJ 2/7 & 2/11 Meeting Minutes & Budget
 > >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:48:21 -0000
 > >
 > >Friends,
 > >
 > >These are minutes and budget for our group.  Your questions, comments
 > >and assistance are in order.  Please also examine part 2 which
 > >outlines the budget.  We are trying to defray costs and any donations
 > >of services or of funds will offset future fund raising.
 > >=====================================================================
 > >Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey - Decisions and Notes,
 > >Meetings February 7 and 11, 2001
 > >
 > >Main Decisions (and some updates):
 > >
 > >I. Pledging/Contributing: At the February 7 meeting, the body
 > >reviewed the/a current draft from CF, and resolved the following for
 > >us:
 > >
 > >     A. Contributions and Unconditional Pledges to WBAI should be
 > >withheld until all demands outlined in the Conditional Pledge are met
 > >
 > >     B. Conditional Pledge forms should be submitted to CF. These are
 > >to be mailed out centrally by CF. Note:  I was informed by phone on
 > >February 12 that some forms may have been mailed out in error.  They
 > >are being recalled.
 > >
 > >     C. The central mailing will also list several  organizations
 > >which are soliciting funds, including CF.
 > >
 > >UPSHOT: THINGS ARE STILL IN FLUX.  AWAIT FURTHER GUIDANCE.
 > >
 > >II. FEBRUARY 20 DEMONSTRATION AT NEWARK OFFICE OF EPSTEIN BECKER
 > >GREEN, GATEWAY ONE NEWARK -4:30 - 7 P.M.  This is coordinated with
 > >the
 > >New York demo - coordinator:  Steve Bernhaut - SBernhaut@... -
 > >various specific assignments made - leaflets, distributions
 > >
 > >III. ADOPTION OF FISCAL POLICIES AND BUDGET FOR PERIOD 1/1/01 -
 > >3/31/01- to be available via Fred's yahoo group mechanism
 > >
 > >IV. NAME AND ORGANIZATIONAL FORM: CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI - NEW
 > >JERSEY (as of now, subject to change with other groups,
 > >circumstances) Unincorporated.  Independent affiliate of Concerned
 > >Friends.
 > >
 > >Other Decisions and Discussion
 > >
 > >V. Finances: We want to reimburse expenditures made on our behalf,
 > >including Paul Surovell's $260 for initial 800 piece mailing.  Paul
 > >will seek a contribution toward this from CF.  Hetty Rosenstein is
 > >leading an effort to secure organizational endorsements and
 > >donations, in cash and in-kind from unions.  The need for organized
 > >fundraising was reiterated several times. (The budget specifies
 > >contributions at meetings and subscriptions - 60 people @$20 for our
 > >expeneses through 3/31/01). Treasurer Rosa Federico suggested writing
 > >for the contributions.  She, Bob Bender, Fred Nguyen and Terri Suess
 > >will be account signators and Finance Committee.
 > >
 > >VI. Communications Committee - Fred Nguyen established a Yahoo group
 > >FRIENDSWBAINJ - URL is GROUPS.YAHOO.COM/GROUP/FRIENSWBAINJ. Fred and
 > >Paul Suvorell are setting up a phone tree. Decision was that mailings
 > >should now go only to those without email. Everyone will be on the
 > >phone tree.
 > >
 > >VII.  Legal Representation.  Newark labor attorney Bennett Zurofsky
 > >agreed to advise us.  Joe Fortunado, Montclair attorney, agreed to
 > >observe at the demonstration.  Bennett will leave the demo at 6 p.m.
 > >
 > >VIII Media Group is functioning - Contact Gus Menezes -
 > >Gusphoto@.... Organizer of Outreach/Membership Group:  Diane
 > >Beeny-908-233-7344
 > >
 > >VII Other and Related Events:  Sign-making party for demo - this
 > >Friday, Feb 16 ,6 p.m., home of Peggy Waldman, 16 Sage Drive, Warren
 > >Twsp - 908-647-2968.
 > >
 > >  Our next working meeting - open to all - is Wednesday, February 21,
 > >7 p.m., Ethical Culture Society of Essex County, 516 Prospect Street,
 > >Maplewood. Hopefully will have updated report from Strategy and
 > >Program Committee.
 > >
 > >Friday, March 2, 7:15 p.m. -Video on/by KPFA - Berkeley providing
 > >background on Pacifica, the struggle at Berkeley, and particular
 > >attention to the elected Local Advisory Board - all welcome
 > >-sponsored by the Ethical Culture Social Action Committee - 516
 > >Prospect Street, Maplewood
 > >
 > >Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m. TENTATIVE - Dissident Pacifica National
 > >Board member Leslie Cagan reports back on the PNB situation -maybe
 > >with others.
 > >
 > >Recorders/Reporters:  Fred Nguyen, Bob Bender
 > >=====================================================================
 > >FISCAL POLICIES, NJ CONCERNED FRIENDS OF WBAI- NEW JERSEY - ADOPTED
 > >2/11/01
 > >
 > >1.  Receipts. All receipts shall be forwarded immediately to the
 > >treasurer for deposit into an organizational account.  Amounts
 > >collected at public events shall be counted by someone other than the
 > >Treasurer with amounts listed in the minutes of that event
 > >
 > >2.  Expenditures:
 > >
 > >     a. Budgeted expenditures may be approved by the person in charge
 > >of the project or activity.
 > >
 > >     b.  General expenditures should be approved prior to
 > >authorization at a general or appropriate organizational meeting.
 > >
 > >     c.  Emergency expenditures of no more than $150  may be
 > >authorized by the Treasurer and one other responsible organizational
 > >principal.
 > >
 > >     d. Signatures of 2 responsible organizational representatives
 > >shall be required for checks more than $200.
 > >
 > >3.  Reporting.  For each general meeting the treasurer shall present
 > >a report itemizing receipts and expenditures.
 > >
 > >4.  Reconciliation of monthly bank statements shall be performed by
 > >someone other than the Treasurer.
 > >
 > >5.  Budget.  The Organization shall adopt a budget for the relevant
 > >period, initially presumably a quite short period, which shall be
 > >presented for consideration at a general meeting, with prior
 > >circularization at least by email strongly recommended.
 > >
 > >  Initial Budget - for period January 15 - March 31, 2001 - adopted
 > >2/11/01
 > >
 > >Events:  2 General Public Meetings - (one held Feb 4), 5 planning and
 > >decision-making meetings, 4 committee meetings, one demonstration
 > >
 > >Expenditures
 > >
 > >Mailings - postage and reproduction             $600
 > >
 > >Reproduction - information, agendas, fliers     $400
 > >
 > >Signs, other supplies                           $100
 > >
 > >Room Rentals                                    $200
 > >
 > >Refreshments for Meetings                        $75
 > >
 > >Miscellaneous                                   $200
 > >
 > >Media Expenses                                  $250
 > >
 > >Program, Other                                  $300
 > >
 > >TOTAL EXPENDITURES                              $2125
 > >
 > >
 > >RECEIPTS
 > >
 > >Collections at meetings                         $800
 > >
 > >Assessments - 60 people @$20                    $1200
 > >
 > >TOTAL RECEIPTS                                  $2000
 > >=====================================================================
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
 > >FRIENDSWBAINJ-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
 > >
 > >
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 >
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----Original Message Follows----
From: Fred Nguyen <siddharta5@...>
To: friendswbainj@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Robert Knight and Bernard White to come to NJ
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:20:17 -0800 (PST)

Robert Knight to Address February 20 Newark
Demonstration

Polk Award winning journalist Robert Knight will
address demonstrators on Tuesday, February 20 outside
Newark's Gateway II.  The demonstration from 4:30 - 7
p.m., is aimed at the national union-busting law firm
Epstein Becker Green.

Knight is a long-time broadcaster at WBAI, 99.5 FM, an
embattled station whose license is held by the
National Pacifica Foundation.

Knight until February 13 was the news anchor for the
morning program, formerly Wake-Up Call.  He and fellow
Polk Award winner Amy Goodman were discharged from
that role.  This followed the December 22 "Christmas
Coup" when Wake up Call host Bernard White and producer and
union shop steward Sharan Louise Harper, along with
station General manger Valerie Van Isler, were
abruptly fired after many years of service . Knight
still hosts another program,Earthwatch on WBAI midnight Wednesdays

Terri's piece posted on our yahoo group list provide
excellent background info on the demo and Epstein
Becker Green.

See everybody Tuesday.!
To send your comments to CFNJ ---> FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
=======================================================
BERNARD WHITE FIRED HOST OF WBAI'S MORNING SHOW WILL
SPEAK ON THE CRISIS AT THE STATION!!

NYACK PUBLIC LIBRARY, SUNDAY, FEB 25, 3 TO 5 PM
EMERGENCY MEETING!

ALL THOSE INTERESTED IN SAVING WBAI 99.5 FM AS A VOICE
OF THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BIG BUSINESS ARE URGED TO
ATTEND. NOW MORE THAN EVER WE NEED TO SAVE FREE
SPEECH!!

PROTEST THE FIRINGS, CENSORSHIP & HARASSMENT OF
PRODUCERS AND STAFF. DON'T LET THE CORPORATIONS TAKE
OVER THE ONLY INDEPENDENT STATION IN N.Y.

ROCKLAND FRIENDS OF WBAI
Rocklandfriendsofwbai@yahoogroups.com



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From:  siddharta5@...
To:  FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
Subject:  [FRIENDSWBAINJ] DEMONSTRATION ANNOUNCEMENT & BACKGROUND
Date:  Fri, 16 Feb 2001 04:38:46 -0000

February 20th, 2001  Demonstrate in New York City
and in Newark, NJ to Save Free Speech Radio

Save WBAI  99.5 FM
Support the WBAI Union --  United Electrical (UE) Local 404
Save listener-sponsored, grass roots, peace and justice, alternative
radio

Demand that John Murdock of the law firm Epstein, Becker and Green,
immediately resign from the Pacifica National Board. He represents a
corporate agenda that is being promoted by the Pacifica National
Board.

He also represents a huge conflict of interest by serving on the Board
while his law firm is representing the Board and WBAI management in a
current flurry of outrageous violations of WBAI worker rights,
amounting to a flagrant case of union busting.  Consider the
following:

Union Shop Steward Sharan Louise Harper has been fired without cause,
other staff members have been banned from the station, security guards
have been brought in, free access to necessary work spaces has been
denied, programs have been censored and  Local Advisory Board members
and listeners have been denied access to the station.  Award winning
journalists Robert Knight and Amy Goodman have been removed from the
morning show (previously Wake-Up Call), Mimi Rosenberg, producer of
Building Bridges, the Labor and Community Report, has been fired and
Juan Gonzales, co-host of Democracy Now! has resigned under untenable
working conditions.

In addition, John Murdock and Epstein, Becker and Green are proposing
revised bylaws that would allow a small number of board members to
sell off any of the Pacifica stations -  and WBAI is reported to be
worth up to $200 million.

Not only is Epstein, Becker and Green a union-busting law-firm, it is
also defending the National Pacifica Corporation against lawsuits that
have been brought by WBAI supporters. These listener lawsuits
challenge the legitimacy of the National Pacifica Corporation and are
directed at restoring democracy in Pacifica nationally and at local
stations.

Demand that WBAI be returned to its listening audience - before it is
too late.  Return WBAI to its original intent:  to give a voice to
those whose views are ignored in the "marketplace" of
commercial-corporate sponsored media.

We will not let WBAI be stolen from us.     Keep the voice of
democracy alive.

Join the NYC or NJ Demonstrations set for Tuesday, February 20th,
2001, 4:30 to 7 p.m.  at the Law Offices of Epstein, Becker and Green
in New York City (at 250 Park Avenue  (bwtn 46th and 47th Streets)
and in Newark, NJ at Gateway 2, 100 Mulberry Street, at  Market
Street and Mulberry (Just west of Penn Railroad Station)

Circulate this notice to as many people as you can, and have them pass
it along. Make a point to be at one of these demonstrations and bring
as many people as you can.

For more information call 1-800-825-0055 or 718-707-7189
In New Jersey call 973-762-3682  or  908-755-5846
www.savepacifica.net


For those who are interested, more details follow in the narrative
below:

WBAI 99.5 on the FM dial was initially founded as a radio station
dedicated to free speech and freedom from corporate control.  It was
dedicated to peace and representing grass roots and alternative
broadcasting.  Its signal reaches New York City as well as New Jersey,
suburban New York and Connecticut.  Over the years, WBAI has
steadfastly refused corporate funding and corporate control.  Now,
however, corporate forces are coming in through the backdoor and are
in the process of stealing the station.

WBAI has been a listener-sponsored radio station for more than 40
years and last fall it raised almost $1 million from listeners during
it's fund drive.   Listeners showed they were extremely pleased with
the programming and they voted with their contributions.  It was
after that successful fund-raising marathon event, that the National
Board (which holds the WBAI license in trust) inserted itself into the
operations of the station, firing the station manager and two others,
Bernard White and Sharan Louise Harper of the popular morning show
"Wake-Up Call".   A replacement station manager then fired and banned
other commentators and reporters to whom the listeners contributed
last fall.

Ironically, it is the very success of the station that has resulted in
this attempt to take it over and turn it into a hot commercial
property. Meanwhile, people responsible for the success of the radio
station are now being fired and banned from the station.  Volunteers
who have been responsible for successful fundraising efforts have been
banned. In short, the present management is in total disregard of the
founding principle of "listener sponsored-free speech radio." The huge
success of the station now could actually result in the station soon
being offered for sale.

As listeners, we are not going to let that happen. We WBAI listeners
are outraged.  We want our station back.   We demand that Free Speech
Radio be saved.  We demand the re-hiring of the award-winning
staff that we have contributed to over the years.  We demand that the
station be open to all listener volunteers again   (What's this, with
"banning" the very constituency for whom the station was established
-- the listeners?)

The station is in a crisis, and John Murdock, Senior Associate of
Epstein, Becker and Green who sits on the current Pacifica National
Board, contributes to this crisis.  The current National Board is not
reflective of the listenership of WBAI or the other Pacifica Stations.

The board's recent firing of key management and staff that WBAI has
been an affront to all listeners.  We insist that John Murdock
immediately resign from the Pacifica Board.  We oppose his firm
representing the Pacifica Board in the Board's attempt to bust the
WBAI's union and to resist listener lawsuits to regain control of the
station.

We demand that Epstein, Becker and Green and the Pacifica National
Board cease and desist their current actions, that John Murdock
immediately resign from the board, that the staff of WBAI be returned
to the station and that the National Board be replaced with local
representatives committed to"free speech radio".

The Pacifica National Board must be free of a corporate control agenda
that is revising the by-laws, firing staff and is, in general, laying
the ground-work for very possibly selling the station.


Terri Suess,
Newark, NJ
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I love the internet...

> >A timely reminder of the limits of consumerism, for your reading 
>pleasure.
> >
> >  Subject: just fwd it
> >
> >Nike now lets you personalize your shoes by submitting a word or
> >phrase which they will stitch onto your shoes, under the swoosh.  So
> >Jonah Peretti filled out the form and sent them $50 to stitch
> >"SWEATSHOP" on to his shoes.
> >
> >Here's the response he got...
> >
> >  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> >From: "Personalize, NIKE iD"  nikeid_personalize@...
> >To: "'Jonah H. Peretti'"  peretti@...
> >Subject: RE: Your NIKE  iD order o16468000
> >
> >Your NIKE iD order was cancelled for one or more of the following 
>reasons:
> >
> >1) Your Personal iD contains another party's trademark or other
> >intellectual property
> >
> >2) Your Personal iD contains the name of an athlete or team we do
> >not have the legal right to use
> >
> >3) Your Personal iD was left blank.  Did you not want any 
>personalization?
> >
> >4) Your Personal iD contains profanity or inappropriate slang, and
> >besides, your mother would slap us.
> >
> >If you wish to reorder your NIKE iD product with a new
> >personalization please visit us again at www.nike.com
> >
> >Thank you, NIKE iD
> >
> >
> >From: "Jonah H. Peretti"  peretti@...
> >To: "Personalize, NIKE iD"  nikeid_personalize@...
> >Subject: RE: Your NIKE  iD order o16468000
> >
> >Greetings,
> >
> >My order was canceled but my personal NIKE iD does not violate any
> >of the criteria outlined in your message.  The Personal iD on my
> >custom ZOOM XC USA running shoes was the word "sweatshop."
> >
> >Sweatshop is not:
> >
> >1) another's party's trademark,
> >
> >2) the name of an athlete,
> >
> >3) blank, or
> >
> >4) profanity.
> >
> >I choose the iD because I wanted to remember the toil and labor of
> >the children that made my shoes.  Could you please ship them to me
> >immediately.
> >
> >Thanks and Happy New Year, Jonah Peretti
> >
> >From: "Personalize, NIKE iD"  nikeid_personalize@...
> >To: "'Jonah H. Peretti'"  peretti@...
> >Subject: RE: Your NIKE  iD order o16468000
> >
> >Dear NIKE iD Customer,
> >
> >Your NIKE iD order was cancelled because the iD you have chosen
> >contains, as stated in the previous e-mail correspondence,
> >"inappropriate slang".  If you wish to reorder your NIKE iD product
> >with a new personalization please visit us again at nike.com
> >
> >Thank you, NIKE iD
> >
> >
> >From: "Jonah H. Peretti"  peretti@...
> >To: "Personalize, NIKE iD"  nikeid_personalize@...
> >Subject: RE: Your NIKE  iD order o16468000
> >
> >Dear NIKE iD,
> >
> >Thank you for your quick response to my inquiry about my custom ZOOM
> >XC USA  running shoes.  Although I commend you for your prompt
> >customer service, I disagree with the claim that my personal iD was
> >inappropriate slang.  After consulting Webster's Dictionary, I
> >discovered that "sweatshop" is in fact part of standard English, and
> >not slang. The word means: "a shop or factory in which workers are
> >employed for long hours at low wages and under unhealthy conditions"
> >and its origin dates from 1892.  So my personal iD does meet the
> >criteria detailed in your first email.
> >
> >Your web site advertises that the NIKE iD program is "about freedom
> >to choose and freedom to express who you are."  I share Nike's love
> >of freedom and personal expression.  The site also says that "If you
> >want it done right...build it yourself."  I was thrilled to be able
> >to build my own shoes, and my personal iD was offered as a small
> >token of appreciation for the sweatshop workers poised to help me
> >realize my vision.  I hope that you will value my freedom of
> >expression and reconsider your decision to reject my order.
> >
> >Thank you, Jonah Peretti
> >
> >
> >From: "Personalize, NIKE iD"  nikeid_personalize@...
> >To: "'Jonah H. Peretti'"  peretti@...
> >Subject: RE: Your NIKE  iD order o16468000
> >
> >Dear NIKE iD Customer,
> >
> >Regarding the rules for personalization it also states on the NIKE
> >iD web site that "Nike reserves the right to cancel any personal iD
> >up to 24 hours after it has been submitted".  In addition, it
> >further explains:  "While we honor most personal iDs, we cannot
> >honor every one.
> >
> >Some may be (or contain) other's trademarks, or the names of certain
> >professional sports teams, athletes or celebrities that Nike does
> >not have the right to use.  Others may contain material that we
> >consider inappropriate or simply do not want to place on our
> >products.
> >
> >Unfortunately, at times this obliges us to decline personal iDs that
> >may otherwise seem unobjectionable.  In any event, we will let you
> >know if we decline your personal iD, and we will offer you the
> >chance to submit another."  With these rules in mind, we cannot
> >accept your order as submitted.  If you wish to reorder your NIKE iD
> >product with a new personalization please visit us again at
> >www.nike.com
> >
> >Thank you, NIKE iD
> >
> >
> >From: "Jonah H. Peretti"  peretti@...
> >To: "Personalize, NIKE iD"  nikeid_personalize@...
> >Subject: RE: Your NIKE  iD order o16468000
> >
> >Dear NIKE iD,
> >
> >Thank you for the time and energy you have spent on my request. I
> >have decided to order the shoes with a different iD, but I would
> >like to make one small request.  Could you please send me a color
> >snapshot of the ten-year-old Vietnamese girl who makes my shoes?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Jonah Peretti
> >  >>
> >

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TO ALL MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS OF THE NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN:

I am pleased to announce that the New Brunswick People's Campaign scored a crucial victory in state Superior Court in this morning.  Here is a summary of the events.  

Last November, NBPC filed a lawsuit against New Brunswick's city clerk, Daniel Torrisi, as well as the County Board of Elections, over the location of polling places in town.  NBPC explained that in both campus and noncampus areas of New Brunswick, polling places were improperly chosen by city and county officials, making it difficult for students and community members to vote.

Torrisi, the city clerk, tried to have the suit thrown out, claiming that NBPC did not have the necessary "standing," or legal interest, in the lawsuit.  Torrisi told the court that even though the Campaign has hundreds of members, and even though our candidates each received over 2000 votes in the election, and even though electoral reform has been an important and consistent part of our agenda, we did not have the "standing" allowing us to bring this suit.

This morning, Superior Court Judge Yolanda Ciccone completely rejected all of Torrisi's arguments.  This is a great victory for the Campaign.  It demonstrates that the courts acknowledge us as a legitimate group that is actively fighting for the voting rights of all of New Brunswick's residents.

This morning's important victory came as a result of the work of a number of people, and on behalf of all members of the Campaign, I want to acknowledge them.  First, Campaign attorneys Nicole Palmieri and Santos Perez, who are handling this matter, assembled an impressive array of factual and legal arguments against Torrisi's motion.  Their success reflects great credit upon themselves and upon the Campaign.  Next, NBPC members Curtis Warren, Eryn Loeb, and Julie Poulos, who all submitted certifications in the case detailing their experiences on election day and before, also deserve substantial credit for participating.  I also want to thank the former Steering Committee members for their foresight in authorizing the Campaign's legal fight for students' and community residents' voting rights.  And campaign members Frank Bright and Nicole Adler, who fought the initial battle over the polling places last year before the Board of Elections, also deserve credit for "getting the ball rolling" on this important project.

Although I am sure that I am missing many others who had an important role in this victory, I think that it demonstrates the professionalism, the unity, and the committment to struggle, that are the hallmarks of the New Brunswick People's Campaign.  We anticipate that this morning's judicial decision is just another in a long series of wins for democracy and for the principle of putting people first.

Please feel free to call me if you have any additional questions.

Flavio L. Komuves, Esq.
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Congrats everyone!  I for one am very excited considering all of the BS I 
have witnessed, experienced, and endured related to this issue over the last 
decade!  
Jim

WBAI: THE COUP ON WALL ST.
By Mumia Abu-Jamal, M.A.
#492 Column Written 1/29/2001
All Rights Reserved
Information is the raw material for new ideas; if you get misinformation, 
you get some pretty fu---d-up ideas. -- Eldridge Cleaver, former Minister of 
Information, Black Panther Party

With late-night lock changes, and a phalanx of security guards prowling the 
halls, the coup of WBAI-FM, the flagship station of the Pacifica Network, 
has begun.

Popular veterans of the listener-supported station, like program manager 
Bernard White and WBAI union shop steward Sharon Harper, (both producers of 
the morning "Wake Up Call" show) received letters of termination at their 
homes several hours before their shifts were to begin. WBAI general manager, 
Valerie Van Isler, who, like White, was a 20-year vet of the station, was 
similarly fired by Pacifica, ostensibly for failing to accept a position at 
network headquarters in Washington, D.C.

While these firings were attempts to remove, and thereby install, management 
personnel, it was also an opening salvo in a pitched battle designed to 
silence radical dissent, and open the airwaves to the corporatization of 
WBAI.

If you want WBAI to become a nice, sweet, safe alternative, like NPR, then 
do nothing. It will happen. If, however, you want to continue to hear about 
the struggles of the peoples of the world for liberty, for life, for 
dignity, as in East Timor; or of the noble life and death struggle of the 
zapatistas in the mountains of Mexico; or of cases like the slaughter of 
African immigrant Amadou Diallo; or of the continuing human rights 
violations occurring every day in the nation's burgeoning prison-industrial 
complex, then you must fight for it, as you would fight for your very life, 
or anything dear to you.

The great Frederick Douglass perhaps put it best when he said, "Without 
struggle there is no progress." If the various communities of New York and 
northern New Jersey don't struggle for their vision of WBAI-FM, it will be 
gone. It's as simple as that.

What's happening at 'BAI was attempted a year ago at KPFA-FM in San 
Francisco. The people of the Bay Area rallied in unprecedented 
strength--over 10,000 folks at one protest -- and backed the Pacifica board 
down. Listeners to 'BAI must do no less!

In theory at least, the airwaves belong to the people. For the last 40 
years, the staff and local management of WBAI have tried to make that theory 
in America a reality.

If you are thrilled by the no-holds-barred radio reporting of "Democracy 
Now's" Amy Goodman, who is constantly threatened and harassed by the 
Pacifica board for her radical reporting, then fight for her.

For in fighting for her, you fight for the finest traditions of WBAI, and 
against the corporationists who want to turn a national resource into just 
another commodity.

To keep it raw; to keep it real, you've got to fight for it.


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From: siddharta5@...
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Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Fund Raising/Pacifica & WBAI causes
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 04:16:46 -0000

Memo to New Jersey Concerned Friends of WBAI

From:  Paul Surovell, NJ rep to CF Coordinating Council

A letter was mailed last week by the Concerned Friends of WBAI asking
listeners not to contribute to the WBAI fund drive, but to give money
to
groups opposing Pacifica's actions as an alternative.

Unfortunately there as an error in the letter.  It was stated that
listeners could make tax-deductible contributions to Concerned Friends
through a so-called  "Listeners Fund."  However, such a fund was only
in the planning stage and Concerned Friends has not yet established
tax-exempt status.

Therefore, the Concerned Friends Coordinating Council has decided to
return all checks written to the "Listerners Fund."

If you wish to contribute to Concerned Friends, you may write a check
(not tax-deductible) to "Concerned Friends of WBAI."   The address is:

Concerned Friends of WBAI
PO Box 21711
Brooklyn NY 11202-1711

Concerned Friends also recommends contributions to these other
organizations:

(1) This fund contributes to the three lawsuits against the Pacifica
Corporation:

"Free Pacifica Legal Action/Vanguard Foundation"
c/o The Vanguard Public Foundation
383 Rhode Island Street, Ste 301
San Francisco CA 94103

(2) These funds were created by Juan Gonzalez:

(a) $100 or less:

"Pacifica Campaign"
51 MacDougal St #80
New York NY 10012

(b) more than $100:

"Institute for Media Analysis-Pacifica Campaign"
51 MacDougal St #80
New York NY 10012

(3) a fund for striking Pacifica reporters:

"Friends of Free Speech Radio"
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Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Open Letter to Pacifica Board from National Writers 
Union (Local 3)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:59:23 -0000

The contents of the letter below has been banned from public
broadcast over WBAI.  Please check the PacificaCampaign web site for more 
info:
http://www.pacificacampaign.org/
===========================================================================================================================================
Dear Pacifica Foundation Board Members,

We, the undersigned, are trade unionists & Labor organizations who
represent tens of thousands of working people, many of whom listen to
Pacifica network radio stations and support these stations.
Historically, Pacifica's listener sponsored, Community based,
progressive radio stations have not only covered but supported the
efforts of working people everywhere to organize and gain their right
to fair working conditions.

We deplore your recent actions at Station WBAI, which have threatened
employee rights, gravely violate free speech principles, and place in
jeopardy Pacifica's important role as an independent source of news,
opinion, and culture.

Your recent treatment of WBAI's paid and unpaid staff, Local Advisory
Board members, listeners and supporters would be reprehensible at a
for-profit company, let alone at a non-profit institution which has
been historically dedicated to the promotion of better conditions for
all working people and whose mission has included serving as the
voice of the voiceless.

We are disturbed that you are using funds largely donated by working
people to retain the services of consultants and law firms like
Epstein, Becker & Green, organizations known for thwarting the
efforts of worker's right to organize and for advertising themselves
as maintaining "union-free" workplaces.

We are similarly disturbed by the changes to the Pacifica
Foundation's by-laws that have been proposed by Mr. John Murdock of
Epstein, Becker & Green. They would, if allowed, remove all
accountability by the Pacifica Foundation�s Board to its
constituencies, allow the Board to self-select itself, and would
place the Foundation's resources and decision-making power in the
hands of as few as three undemocratically self-selected Board members.

We believe that your recent actions run counter to the values of the
Democratic, Progressive, Community-based media upon which Pacifica
was founded. These activities are in direct violation of the Mission
of the Pacifica Foundation and they must be reversed.

We, hereby, call for you to take the following actions:

- Rehire all fired WBAI staff and eliminate your "gag" rule and all
forms of censorship at all Pacifica stations.

- Do not retain the services Epstein, Becker & Green or any other
consultants whose work opposes the efforts of working people to
organize for better working conditions.

- Do not approve the by-law changes proposed by Mr. Murdock. Keep the
original by-laws which are consistent with the original Mission of
the Pacifica Foundation.

- Restore the Pacifica Foundation to a democratic structure that
makes it accountable to its Constituencies; remove all illegally
appointed Board members.

- Do not sell Stations WBAI or KPFA


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this is of interest.. maybe something a student organization or GA can rally 
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NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING
FEBRUARY 10, 2001

MINUTES

	Present: A. Adams, J. Adevai, P. Adevai, L.A. Agnese, L. 
Alex, A. Allred, L. Ammentorp, N. Aschoff, K. Bas, J. Bates, M. Bini, 
J. Boswell, F. Bright, D. Broderick, A. Coiley, A. D'Agostino, L. 
Dauphinee, J. Davis, D. Defeo, T. DeGloma, L. DePiano, H. Finne, J. 
Ford, M. Ford, S. Ford, T. Ford, D. Horng, J. Gallagher, B. Glyn, 
M.B. Goldberg, K. Gribbon, J. Gross, J. Hamilton, T. Hansen, X. 
Hansen, R. Holzapfel, K. Joseph, F. Komuves, K.C. Lin, G. LNU , H. 
LNU, E. Loeb, J. Luceno, M. Masters, P. McGee, P. Mehta, G. Mendoza, 
M. Michail, C. Montrose, E. Mullaney, L. Mwangi, Z. Nowakowski, W. 
Peeters, J. Poulous, S. Prince, K. Riordan, N. Rivera, W. Rukab, J. 
Saltzman, A. Toro, B. Villa, A. Wargo, C. Warren, A. Wynne.

	The meeting was called to order at 2:09 p.m.

	Zofia Nowakowski gave introductory remarks about the goals 
and history of the Campaign.

	The Steering Committee's nominated candidate for Chair of the 
Meeting (Curtis Warren) was not then present due to church 
obligations, and as a result, nominations for Chair were taken from 
the floor.  Xavier Hansen and Zofia Nowakowski were each nominated 
(with seconds) to serve as chair.

	Vote no. 1 (CHAIR OF MEETING)
	XAVIER HANSEN, 16
	ZOFIA NOWAKOWSKI, 8

	Xavier Hansen, having been elected as chair, described the 
democratic framework for discussions that would be followed at the 
meeting, i.e. of having debate until all people who wish to speak 
have their say (but asking people to exercise self-restraint because 
of the time commitments of the meeting).  Upon inquiry from a member, 
he also explained that the chair's decisions could be overridden by a 
majority (not 2/3) vote of those present.  No objections to the 
agenda were raised.

	Mr. Hansen stated that two members, who had previously 
requested to vote by telephone, namely, Nicole Palmieri and Charlotte 
Kates, would be contacting the meeting by cellular telephone to cast 
their votes.

	Objections to this procedure were discussed, but the majority 
voted to accept these telephonic absentee ballots.

	Vote no. 2 (TELEPHONIC ABSENTEE BALLOTS)
	Approved by acclamation
 
	Discussion then turned to the question of allowing votes by 
paper absentee ballot.  Proponents argued that it heightened the 
inclusiveness and participation opportunities in the organization.  
Opponents argued that notice of the procedures had not been given and 
there were risks of fraud.

	After thorough and extended discussion on the point, it was 
moved by DeGloma and seconded that: (1) votes called in by telephone 
would be valid; (2) paper absentee ballots would be invalid; (3) the 
Steering Committee should implement absentee ballot rules to be 
submitted to the members for their review and/or modification.  The 
majority then voted to close debate and then passed the DeGloma 
motion.

	Vote no. 3 (MODIFIED ABSENTEE BALLOT PROCEDURES)
	YES, 24
	NO, 12

	Xavier Hansen then presented a proposal on behalf of the 
Steering Committee to have a convention in the Fall of 2001 (probably 
in September) instead of in the Spring.  He opined that extending the 
time for it will allow for more work on other campaign activities in 
the near future and will allow ample time for outreach to carry out 
the convention.  The proposal reads:

Move the Next Convention of the People's Campaign to Fall 2001.

To ensure maximum outreach and greater participation by the 
community, to consolidate and expand the broad alliance of democratic 
forces in the People's Campaign in the months leading up to the 
Convention, to demonstrate our continued commitment to the 
empowerment of the New Brunswick community, and to raise the 
necessary funds to hold the event. 

	After a few supportive inquiries, it was moved and seconded 
that the proposal be accepted.

	Vote No. 4 (FALL 2001 CONVENTION)
	Approved by majority vote, three members dissenting.

	Mr. Hansen then presented the next proposal on behalf the 
Steering Committee, that is, that the Campaign work on a People's 
Campaign Center for Culture and Democracy to be opened by September 
2001.  The text of the proposal follows:

Mobilize volunteers and resources to open the People's Campaign 
Center for Culture and Democracy in New Brunswick in September of 2001

Unite the People's Campaign and raise the necessary funds to open a 
democratically-run, non-profit, cooperative center. Among the 
purposes of the center would be:

1) A headquarters to advance democracy and community control, 
promoting the platform of the People's Campaign and supporting 
grassroots activities and programs that advance the points of the 
platform.

2) A headquarters to strengthen the unity of democratic forces in the 
city, providing shared meeting space and resources to New Brunswick 
grassroots organizations that promote democracy and community control.

3) A headquarters to celebrate and promote the diverse cultures of 
the New Brunswick community, hosting grassroots cultural events and 
organizing to open public space throughout the city for cultural and 
political expression.

The People's Campaign would form committees (Community Outreach, 
Small-Business Outreach, Campus Outreach, Cultural Events) to build 
support and raise money for the center throughout the city. The 
proposed target is $15,000 by September 2001, so that we can rent our 
first space in the heart of the community and continue to build upon 
it. The make-up of the center would be discussed and determined 
democratically at upcoming general meetings of the People's Campaign. 


	Keith Joseph does not agree with the need for a People's 
Campaign Center.  He is of the view that the Campaign's main work 
over the next few months needs to be the expansion of roots within 
the community, not on a physical space for its activities.

	The competing views were amply and thoroughly discussed by 
the Members.  During the course of the discussion, the members 
unanimously agreed to limit each speaker to 60 seconds of debate time 
on the matter.

	It was then moved and seconded to accept the Steering 
Committee's proposal as written, and debate was closed on the 
question.

	Vote No. 5 (PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CENTER)
	YES, 36
	NO, 8
	ABSTAIN, 6 

	The Members then moved into the Election of Steering 
Committee portion of the agenda.  

	Discussion began about whether a candidate who was not 
present at the meeting could be elected to the Steering Committee.  A 
compromise solution was reached, the members deciding by acclamation 
that a person not present at the meeting could be elected but that 
after the Steering Committee election, there should be an election 
for Alternate Members of the Committee in the event that a person 
elected decided not to serve.

	Noting that two written slates of candidates had been 
presented, Thomas DeGloma nominated all the nominees of both slates 
en bloc.  The nomination en bloc was seconded.  (Complete list of 
candidate appears below).  Samantha Prince also was nominated, and 
this nomination was seconded.

	The Chair, without objection from the members, appointed 
Jessica Bates, Huckleberry Finne, Robert Holzapfel, and Brian Villa, 
as Election Tellers to control speakers' time and to oversee the 
balloting.  The candidates, in alphabetical order, each gave one-
minute speeches.

	From approximately 3:40 to 3:55, the meeting stood in recess 
as the candidates for Steering Committee met the members.

	After the meet and greet period, ballots were distributed to 
those members in the room who had signed in to the meeting and were 
later collected from them by the Election Tellers.  It was noted that 
some members who indicated they had other obligations received and 
cast their ballots during the meet and greet period, the distribution 
and collection of these ballots also being under the control of the 
Election Tellers. 

	Once the marked ballots were collected, the Election Tellers 
withdrew to count the ballots.  Although the business of the meeting 
continued, at approximately 4:35, the tellers returned, announcing 
the following result:

	Vote No. 6 (AT LARGE MEMBERS OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE) 
	(Highest seven members were elected to office)
	Curtis L. Warren, Sr., 58
	Xavier Hansen, 51
	Danny Rosado, 50
	Zofia Nowakowski, 49
	Tom DeGloma, 43
	Julie Poulous, 40
	Flavio Komuves, 31

	Eryn Loeb, 30
	Samantha Prince, 26
	Frank Bright, 23

	In accordance with prior decisions of the Membership, the 
highest seven vote-getters were proclaimed elected as members at 
large of the Steering Committee. Thunderous and sustained applause 
from the members followed.

	These seven will join the Caucus Representatives on the 
Steering Committee.  In accordance with prior decisions of the 
Membership, each caucus with at least ten active Campaign members is 
entitled to elect one voting representative to the Steering 
Committee.  The current active caucuses (now the women's, students' 
and Latino caucuses) are expected to hold elections for their voting 
representative at their next meeting.

	After balloting had ended, the meeting had moved into the 
Additional Proposals and Tasks portion of the meeting.

	Women's Caucus proposal No. 1 was moved and seconded.  The 
proposal asked for a definitive decision from the organization about 
whether the Campaign should pursue an afterschool program.  Noting 
that the program was currently experiencing a lack of resources, 
despite its popularity as a program begun during the Campaign for 
Campaign workers needing help with their homework, the proposal 
sought to obtain direction from the membership about whether the 
program should continue.

	After ample discussion, there was a definite sense that the 
program was valuable.  Twelve volunteers offered to participate in 
the afterschool program.  After this, the proposal was withdrawn.  
The membership gave a hearty round of applause to these volunteers.


	Women's Caucus proposal No. 2 was moved and seconded.  It 
read: "All campaign meetings should be documented with minutes to be 
available at the next meeting."  Discussion followed, along with 
friendly amendments.  The proposal was modified to provide that all 
general membership and steering committee meetings shall be 
documented with minutes and that all caucus and committee meetings 
are encouraged to have minutes, minutes being a requirement if the 
committee/caucus wants something to be formally noted of record.

	Vote No. 7 (REQUIREMENTS FOR MINUTES)
	Approved by unanimous consent

	Women's Caucus proposal No. 3 was moved and seconded.  It 
read: "The campaign must prioritize the development of a 
telephone/person tree as the primary means of communication in the 
campaign.  Email should not be used as a crutch but rather as an 
addition."

	It was explained that the proposal was motivated by the fact 
that a number of Campaign members do not have ready access to 
email.   In addition, the Campaign has continuing privacy concerns 
that motivated the proposal for a phone tree rather than for the 
distribution of complete membership lists.  The proposal was quickly 
approved.

	Vote No. 8 (USE OF TELEPHONE CHAINS; MEETING ANNOUCEMENT)
	Approved by unanimous consent

	Thomas DeGloma moved, and it was seconded, that the Steering 
Committee be instructed to hold a press conference as soon as 
possible to remind local media and progressive media beyond the local 
area, of the continuing presence and work of the Campaign.  A brief 
supportive discussion followed.

	Vote No. 9 (INSTRUCTIONS TO STEERING CMTE. TO HOLD PRESS 
EVENT)
	Approved by unanimous consent

	Keith Joseph reported on his attendance at a meeting of the 
Coalition of Independent Political Parties, a coalition of groups 
that had achieved certain electoral reforms through litigation, e.g. 
moving the date for independent candidates to file nominating 
petitions.  Stating that the group's goals deserved further study, he 
moved to charge the Steering Committee with holding a forum on third 
parties, focusing specifically on the relationship of third parties 
to maintstream parties, which motion was approved.

	Upon the recommendation of the Steering Committee, the 
members then approved March 3, 2001, 2:00 p.m., at the New Brunswick 
Public Library as the date, time and place for the next meeting.

	Ms. Bas was announced that the next production of Arthouse, a 
forum for poetry readings, music, etc., would occur on February 17, 
2001 at 8:00 p.m. at 559 Hamilton Street, Somerset.  All are 
invited.  The donation is $5.00.

	Mr. Hansen announced that the Campaign's Special 
Investigations Committee meets every Sunday night at 7 pm at 218 
Townsend Street.  The Special Investigations Committee, besides 
compiling all reports of misconduct from election day, is also 
engaged in a number of investigations into government operations in 
New Brunswick.  These investigations will be written up into a 
newspaper for mass distribution in New Brunswick.

	Mr. Komuves invited interested members to attend a hearing 
before Judge Yolanda Ciccone in the Campaign's lawsuit against City 
Clerk Daniel Torrisi, to be held on February 16, at 9 am in Room 401 
of the Courthouse.  Call him on February 15 to confirm the time and 
place.

	The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m.

		Respectfully submitted,


								
				
		FLAVIO L. KOMUVES
		General Counsel

Hey all,
    Something of interest I spotted in the Boston Globe that I thought would 
interest the campaign.  Apparently, in the 2/21/01 edition of the JAMA, there 
was an in-depth article pertaining to limited safeguards in place to prevent 
institutional conflict of interest in dealings between academic institutions 
and biotechnology / drug companies.  Specifically, the article sites 
institutionwide bias at medical schools and affiliated hospitals.
    Now, not that this correlation hasn't already been made for years in NB, 
it has.  I thought it would be in the campaigns best interest if someone to 
get a hold of this article and give it a look over to gain additional insight 
from the AMA on the issue, then apply the model locally.  Never hurts to 
apply an institutions own academic writings against it.
    Further, something that I wasn't aware of is the Bayh-Dole act passed in 
1980.  It was specifically this act that allowed universities to patent 
inventions for the first time.  In my years of struggle at Rutgers, I never 
once heard the origins of this act and would be interested to see the wording 
of the act to further hone debate.  Flavio, is this something that you could 
get your hands on?  Zofia?
    Lastly, the article estimates that large companies conduct about 
one-fifth of their research at universities while small companies spend about 
one half of their research budgets at academic institutions.  Does anyone 
know how this compares in NB?  
    I will see if I can get my hands on the JAMA article here in beantown to 
bring down next time.  I just thought given the university right there, 
someone locally may have a better chance expediting both opportunities.  Hope 
all is well.  If anyone is interested, e-mail me with a fax that you would 
like the globe article sent to.  I guess you could check it out on line as 
well.  It's in the 2/21 edition of the Globe, front page below the fold with 
continuation on pg. D6 in the business section. Title is "New steps urged on 
university research bias."  Article is by Liz Kowalczyk of the Globe Staff.  
Later.
Jim  

A reminder to all: The last Caellian before Spring Break will be in
production this weekend! We are focusing on several themes, including
celebrating womyn of color and body appreciation. As the progressive
magazine of Douglass College, we accept all submissions, and are an
uncensored, student-run democratic publication. We feature articles,
writings of all kinds, poetry, graphic art, photography, and whatever else
you would like to share. Please send all articles to
ckates@... by this weekend! 

(And forward this wherever people would be interested in writing!)

-charlotte l. kates, eic, caellian 
ckates@...
373-7853

The Womens Caucus for the New Brunswick Peoples Campaign is meeting this Saturday at 4pm at 218 Townsend St.  All female residents of NB and campaign members are welcome to come!  There will be ladies night afterward at 6pm, so you are welcome to stay and have fun.

This is an important meeting.  We will be discussing all that you bring to the table, in addition to the direction of the campaign, the role and goals of the caucus.  We will also be electing a rep of the caucus to sit on the steering committee, which meets weekly to coordinate the campaign between meetings.

There's a typo in my quote, but oh well...


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From: siddharta5@...
To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] HAPPENINGS PACIFICA/WBAI STRUGGLE (2/23/01: 6 
items)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:26:51 -0000
FRIENDS
If you're not a remorseless internet surfer, this is a summary of the
latest events:
======================================================================
1. CALIFORNIA: Gods nesws from SavePacifica.net
California Senators sign letter to Pacifica; federal judge remands
case to CA courts
February 22, 2001:
Twenty-five California legislators � including the leader of the House
and of the Senate � have now signed on to a letter opposing the new
bylaws.
A federal judge has remanded the lawsuits against Pacifica back to
state court. That's a big loss for the Pacifica board usurpers, whose
attorneys had moved to have the case tried in federal court. The
decision opens the way for a possible injunction against the board's
attempt to pass new bylaws.
Meanwhile, the Sebastopol and Berkeley city councils passed
resolutions against the proposed bylaws.
======================================================================
2. NYC EB&G DEMONSTRATION:
15 photos of the NYC demonstration in front of John Murdock's Epstein
Becker & Green office building can be viewed at:
http://goodlight.net/wbai/
======================================================================
3. EB&G PROTESTS HAVING IMPACT:
This email was sent to Lyn Gerry, who runs the SaveWBAI list at
www.tao.ca (send message to redlyn@... to subscribe)
<there's a front page article in the Daily Journal, one of two legal
newspapers in SF,about EB&G and the listener protests at their offices
around the country.>>
======================================================================
4. LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN GEARING UP TO SWAMP PACIFICA NATIONAL
BOARD CONFERENCE (HOUSTON March 1-4)
CFNJ will participate in the letter writing campaign. The information
will follow shortly (address, timing etc...). Please stay tuned.
======================================================================
5. CFNJ LINKS TO PACIFICA/WBAI WEB SITES
WBAIFREE.ORG web site has been censored by the EB&G thugs. They won't
silence us. The CFNJ group list gathers many of the essential
internet links. Please log on to:
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/FRIENDSWBAINJ/links
======================================================================
6. CFNJ PLANNING TO HAVE REGULAR VIGIL TO PICKET EB&G NEWARK OFFICE.
If you want to help please contact us (siddharta5@...)
WHOSE STATION? OUR STATION WHAT DO WE WANT? FREE SPEECH
REMOVE THE ILLEGITIMATE BOARD REINSTATE THE WBAI FIRED
WBAI STAFF & WORKERS
KEEP UP THE PRESSURE AND WE WILL WIN!!!!
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From: siddharta5@...
To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN (IMMEDIATE ACTION)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 03:56:06 -0000

CONCERNED FRIENDS

THIS IS A CALL TO ACTION :

WE ARE ASKING THAT YOU WRITE A LETTER TO THE PACIFICA NATIONAL BOARD,
WHICH MEETS IN HOUSTON MARCH 2-TO-4.  YOUR LETTER SHOULD PREFERABLY BE
MAILED THIS WEEK-END (ALLOW 3-4 DAYS FOR U.S MAIL, 2-3 DAYS FOR
PRIORITY MAIL)TO REACH THE BOARD IN SESSION.

THE LETTER, WHILE COURTEOUS, SHOULD DEMAND ANY AND ALL OF THE
FOLLOWING BE DONE IMMEDIATELY:

1. THE REJECTION OF ANY BY-LAWS CHANGES, INCLUDING
THOSE DRAFTED BY JOHN MURDOCK, WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE
PACIFICA BOARD TO COMMERCIALIZE AND/OR SELL WBAI OR
ANY RADIO STATIONS OWNED BY PACIFICA.

2. THE REINSTATEMENT OF ALL FIRED AND BANNED PERSONNEL
AT WBAI.

3. THE REMOVAL OF PROGRAMMING CENSORSHIP AND GAG ORDER
ON WBAI PRODUCERS, STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS.

4. THE CANCELLATION OF THE LOCK OUT OF THE LOCAL
ADVISORY BOARD AND LISTENERS AT WBAI.

5. THE RESIGNATION OF JOHN MURDOCK AND DISMISSAL OF
UTRICE LEID.

6. THE CESSATION OF ALL RELATIONSHIPS OF ANY KIND WITH
EPSTEIN, BECKER AND GREEN, A LAW FIRM PROUD OF ITS
ANTI-LABOR AND PRO-HMO RECORD.

PLEASE SEND YOUR LETTER ASAP, TIME IS PRESSING AND WE WANT BIG BAGS OF
MAIL DROPPED AT THE BOARD MEETING.

PACIFICA NATIONAL BOARD MEETING
ATT. FRONT DESK
POST OAK DOUBLE TREE HOTEL
2001 POST OAK BLVD
HOUSTON, TEXAS 77056

REGARDS

CONCERNED FRIENDS NJ






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From: siddharta5@...
To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] CFNJ (UPCOMING ACTION AND EVENTS)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:53:24 -0000

This week Concerned Friends of WBAI - New Jersey (CFNJ) calls upon his
members to actively participate in the following:

1. NO PLEDGE PHONE DRIVE: Call WBAI during the last week of their fund
raising drive and tell them that you WON'T pledge and why.  The number
is 212-209-2950.  The volunteers are uneasy and you want to tell them
about the corporate take-over of the station.  If you need details
contact Hetty Rosenstein: Hetty@...

2. LETTER CAMPAIGN TO PNB CONFERENCE IN HOUSTON:  We sent an email
solicitation yesterday (heading:"LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN...")  Further
details at the end of this email.  You can also FAX.

3. VIGIL AT EPSTEIN, BECKER & GREED (Hmmm Green? maybe Yellow?): We
are planning a vigil/picket at the Gateway II in Newark.  Proposed
slots are Monday through Friday Noon-to-2pm and 5pm-to-7pm.  We need
people to hold signs and distribute public information leaflets.
Please email to Fred (siddharta5@...) with your name
availability and telephone #.

4. EVENTS

  Tuesday, Feb 27, 7:15 p.m. Steering&Program Comm, Ethical Culture
Society, Maplewood  Friday, March 2,  Video on KPFA-Berkeley, Pacifica
and focus on the democratic Local Advisory Board, discussion with
Carolyn Birden Ethical Culture Society Maplewood, sponsored by its
Social Action Committee - all welcome.

Sunday, March 11, 3 p.m., First Presbyterian and Trinity Church, 111
Irvington Avenue at South Orange Avenue, between Prospect and
Valley/Scotland, South Orange. Leslie Cagan reporting
outcomes and status from the Pacifica National Board meeting in
Houston.

LET'S GET INVOLVED BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE...LET'S TAKE WBAI BACK
======================================================================
Model letter to PNB (Please send ASAP: before tuesday is best or ealse
send priority mail... There is a fax too.

February 25, 2001

To the Members of the Pacifica National Board,

As a listener of WBAI, I am deeply concerned about recent trends,
both on the Pacifica National Board and locally at WBAI.  I am writing
to urge you to strongly consider the following necessary actions in
order to preserve community,listener sponsored radio.

1. The rejection of any-bylaws, including those drafted by John
Murdock, which would permit the Pacifica National Board to
commercialize and/or sell WBAI or any radio station owned by Pacifica.

2.  The reinstatement of all fired and banned personnel at WBAI.

3.  The removal of programming censorship and gag orders on WBAI
producers, staff and volunteers.

4.  The cancellation of the lock out of the local advisory board and
listeners at WBAI.

5.  The resignation of John Murdock and dismissal of Utrice Leid.

6.  The cessation of all relationships of any kind with Epstein,
Backer and Green, a low firm proud of its anti-labor and pro-HMO
record.

It is vital to take these measures immediately in order to preserve
the integrity of both Pacifica and WBAI.


Sincerely,

Your Name

Send or Fax too:

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Address: 2001 Post Oak Blvd
Houston, Houston, TX 77056
Phone:  713-961-9300
Fax:  713-623-6685

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March 19
9:00am
highland park

press conference:
         Wednesday 4:00pm City Hall 
         to announce date/time/location

all are encuraged to attend and speak out. 

to the steering committee - write up a letter of support for us and 
get it to me for the press, if it cannot be brought at 4:00. 

members of any other organizations should also prepare a statement of 
support on our behalf.  

 joe smith
 586.5535
 wacbush01@...

Paul (& everyone),

    Obviously, the main issue is Joe's altercation with Kevin 
Jones--Everything else aside, we don't need complete ideological agreement 
to show support for an organizer physically assaulted by the Mayor's goon, 
and to condemn the city's use of threats and violence to harass campaign 
organizers.
    Another important issue is Cliff's being charged for flyering at a 
Public School.  I should go without saying that it is interest of the 
Peoples Campaign in particular and grassroots politics in NB in general that 
we all loose if the precident is established where somebody can be hauled 
into court and fined for distributing information to students at public 
educational institutions, a clear violation of first ammendment rights.
    The least issue is the 5:30am election day incident where Joe was tagged 
for something stupid and maybe even careless, and I, of course, got caught 
up in the passions of the moment, and was hit with an Obstruction charge.  
(I'm still waiting for the General Council to respond to my messages as to 
whether or not I should expect the legal support that they offered me 
earlier on). Even this case, however, is principally a result of a pattern 
of constant intimidation on the part of the machine using there goons and 
cops to chase us around NB streets tearing down our flyers and threatening 
us...all of us, not just BOL/SWORD.
    I hope that folks can see this & if only for pure self interest speak 
out against the City Machine intimidating and threatening everyone involved 
with the campaign, and finally physically assaulting an organizer.  I intend 
on writing a letter on behalf of NJFO condemming the Machine's election day 
tactics & in support of these charges being dropped.  It is in the long term 
interests of the Peoples' Campaign for the Steering Committee to do the 
same.

In the Struggle for Unity, Matthew




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From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>


Was this the 5:30am election day incident when they 'towed' Joe's car? Paul


 >From: wacbush01@...
 >Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
 >To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [njfo] Cliff, Matt, and Joe Smith go to court
 >Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:13:07 -0000
 >
 >March 19
 >9:00am
 >highland park
 >
 >       press conference:
 >                           Wednesday 4:00pm City Hall
 >                           to announce date/time/location
 >
 >all are encuraged to attend and speak out.
 >
 >to njfo - write up a letter of support for us and
 >get it to me for the press, if it cannot be brought at 4:00.
 >
 >members of any other organizations should also prepare a statement of
 >support on our behalf.  can anyone contact nb coalition against police
 >brutality?
 >
 >joe smith
 >586.5535
 >wacbush01@h..
 >

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We missed this one, guys - I just found out about it ---

What can we do to improve our electoral system? 
                                                  

                                           Join us at the 
                           Electoral Reform Forum 
                                                  


                                             hosted by 
                                 Congressman Rush Holt 


                                               with 
                                          Guest Speaker 
                                  Congressman Mel Watt 
                                     North Carolina*s 12th District 


                                               with 
                            Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson-Coleman 
                                               and 
                                           Ingrid Reed 
                        Director of the New Jersey Project * Eagleton Institute of Politics 


                               Friday, February 23, 2001 
                                           5:30 pm 
                                          106 Loser Hall 
                                    The College of New Jersey

February 27, 2001

RE: Charges against community organizers relating to NB City Council 
campaign; since moved to Highland Park due to �conflicts of interest� with 
the New Brunswick Machine�s biased Municipal Court:

RE: Kevin Jones, Joe Smith, Matthew Smith, Cliff Smith
Case# 
s2000002713,sc2000017101,s2000002294,sc2000014556,s2000002714,s2000002762
Scheduled: Monday March 19, 2001, 9AM Highland Park, NJ


Press Statement

One of the most important historic tasks of our age is the preservation of 
democracy and our constitutional rights.   This past election season, people 
came together from across the New Brunswick community and Rutgers campus to 
participate in the electoral process as a way of democratizing local 
institutions:  NB�s rubber stamp city council and their authoritarian, 
mayoral-appointed board of education.

We have been told all our lives that good citizenship requires participation 
in the democratic process, with the ideal that more democracy is always 
better that less democracy.  Unfortunately, the NB City Machine has 
demonstrated that their individual self interests and financial gain are 
more important than an engaged citizenry�and that democracy itself is 
antithetical to their so-called master plan for the city�by violating the 
rights and freedoms of a community demanding change:

�	The outright illegal and undemocratic suppression of votes,
�	The illegal and unethical distribution of partisan paraphernalia inside 
voting stations,
�	The constant harassment and threats of community organizers before and 
during the election by police and drunken machine-thugs,
�	The suppression of the distribution of literature and information at 
public educational institutions,
�	The outright fabrication of lies about the nature of grassroots 
organizations in attempts to dismiss them or undermine the validity of their 
democratic objectives,
�	And finally, the physical assault of a community organizer by one of the 
Mayor Cahill�s aids, Kevin Jones.

The NB City Machine�s credibility in the eyes of the community is at an all 
time low.  The message has clearly been: What are you going to do about it?  
This is why we will continue our struggle for democracy and justice in New 
Brunswick.   We call upon the Municipal Court of Highland Park to recognize 
the sham justice that is taking place in New Brunswick, and that the charges 
against NB activists are directly related to political intimidation tactics. 
  We also call upon them to recognize our reasons for requesting these 
charges be moved out of New Brunswick courts:  It is because of direct 
political influence of the NB Machine upon the NB Municipal Court system 
that has stripped it of its ability to deliberate fairly and without bias.

In conclusion, we wish to make known to the Highland Park Municipal Court 
our demand that New Brunswick authorities drop these politically motivated 
charges.


Matthew Smith
New Jersey Freedom Organization
(973) 824-2949

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Matt, Do you think it would be helpful to itemize the charges against you 
guys?  I think this does a great job of 'framing' the casing, but I think 
it's confusing about what's at stake for you guys as individuals at the same 
time.  Paul


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Press Statement demanding campaign related charges be 
>dropped...
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:03:31
>
>February 27, 2001
>
>RE: Charges against community organizers relating to NB City Council
>campaign; since moved to Highland Park due to �conflicts of interest� with
>the New Brunswick Machine�s biased Municipal Court:
>
>RE: Kevin Jones, Joe Smith, Matthew Smith, Cliff Smith
>Case#
>s2000002713,sc2000017101,s2000002294,sc2000014556,s2000002714,s2000002762
>Scheduled: Monday March 19, 2001, 9AM Highland Park, NJ
>
>
>Press Statement
>
>One of the most important historic tasks of our age is the preservation of
>democracy and our constitutional rights.   This past election season, 
>people
>came together from across the New Brunswick community and Rutgers campus to
>participate in the electoral process as a way of democratizing local
>institutions:  NB�s rubber stamp city council and their authoritarian,
>mayoral-appointed board of education.
>
>We have been told all our lives that good citizenship requires 
>participation
>in the democratic process, with the ideal that more democracy is always
>better that less democracy.  Unfortunately, the NB City Machine has
>demonstrated that their individual self interests and financial gain are
>more important than an engaged citizenry�and that democracy itself is
>antithetical to their so-called master plan for the city�by violating the
>rights and freedoms of a community demanding change:
>
>�	The outright illegal and undemocratic suppression of votes,
>�	The illegal and unethical distribution of partisan paraphernalia inside
>voting stations,
>�	The constant harassment and threats of community organizers before and
>during the election by police and drunken machine-thugs,
>�	The suppression of the distribution of literature and information at
>public educational institutions,
>�	The outright fabrication of lies about the nature of grassroots
>organizations in attempts to dismiss them or undermine the validity of 
>their
>democratic objectives,
>�	And finally, the physical assault of a community organizer by one of the
>Mayor Cahill�s aids, Kevin Jones.
>
>The NB City Machine�s credibility in the eyes of the community is at an all
>time low.  The message has clearly been: What are you going to do about it?
>This is why we will continue our struggle for democracy and justice in New
>Brunswick.   We call upon the Municipal Court of Highland Park to recognize
>the sham justice that is taking place in New Brunswick, and that the 
>charges
>against NB activists are directly related to political intimidation 
>tactics.
>   We also call upon them to recognize our reasons for requesting these
>charges be moved out of New Brunswick courts:  It is because of direct
>political influence of the NB Machine upon the NB Municipal Court system
>that has stripped it of its ability to deliberate fairly and without bias.
>
>In conclusion, we wish to make known to the Highland Park Municipal Court
>our demand that New Brunswick authorities drop these politically motivated
>charges.
>
>
>Matthew Smith
>New Jersey Freedom Organization
>(973) 824-2949
>
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As I clear the lingering bad taste from my mouth...

In the spirit of unity, check out what Antioch Church's community 
development corporation has been doing by Rt. 27...

http://www.dailytargum.com/sections/news/story/022601aaa.html
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Press Release 

*NEW BRUNSWICK, February 28, 2001
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE*

New Brunswick Peoples Campaign

Contact:  Flavio Komuves
Tel:         (732) 261-3163

Or:           Zofia Nowakowski
                (212) 414-9306

Or:	     Curtis Warren
	     (732) 448-5091 beeper

New Brunswick Peoples Campaign Condemns City's Policy of Intimidation and Voter Fraud During Elections

The New Brunswick Peoples Campaign is an organization that over the last year has forged unity with many different organizations in New Brunswick to promote democracy and self-determination for the residents of New Brunswick.  During the most recent elections, when 3 of our candidates ran against the Democratic incumbents for city council, we worked together with groups both within and outside of the campaign to further this basic goal of democracy.  While different groups may pursue different tactics, we condemn the nature of the charges against activists Joe, Cliff, and Matt Smith, because we believe them to be politically motivated.  These activists will be heard in court on Monday, March 19th, in Highland Park at 9am.

Charges pursued against the Smiths follow directly from the New Brunswick Democratic machine's pattern of intimidation, harassment, illegal electioneering and election fraud that occurred during the period before Election Day and on Election Day itself.  As just one case in point, Mayor James Cahill's aide Kevin Jones assaulted activist Joseph Smith and made terroristic threats against People's Campaign members Frank Bright and Kerry Riordan at the Lord Stirling School polling site on November 7th, 2000.  Since the November elections, the Peoples Campaign has been investigating and gathering evidence about the numerous acts of intimidation and voter fraud perpetrated by the city machine, and the Campaign will soon make these known to the public in their entirety.  Any individuals who wish to add to this list of violations should contact the campaign at (732) 735-1342.

On a parallel track, the Campaign is also vigorously pursuing a lawsuit against City Clerk Daniel Torrisi about his improper selection of polling places.  On Friday, February 16, 2001, Superior Court Judge Yolanda Ciccone overruled Torrisi's objections that the People's Campaign did not have standing (i.e., the legal right) to pursue the case.  Her ruling conclusively demonstrates that the courts recognize the People's Campaign as a legitimate group fighting for fairness for New Brunswick's voters.  *The New Brunswick People's Campaign is fighting for voting rights for all New Brunswick residents, which we have never had,* stated steering committee member Curtis L. Warren.

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Date: 	Wed, Feb 28, 2001 12:49 PM
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Subject: Dayworker centers a mixed success

City facilities help contractors find documented laborers. But rules vary
in effectiveness, and street gatherings, deportations continue.

By H.G. Reza
Los Angeles Times
February 26, 2001

"Good morning, sir! Good morning, sir!" yelled the 60 men in near-unison as
the driver of a black pickup pulled up to the Costa Mesa Job Center.

Sitting on a metal chair and bundled up against the morning cold, each man
leaned forward and raised a number--given out in the order the workers
signed up--on a blue piece of paper.

It was 7 a.m., and the contractor needed a handyman for six hours at $10
per hour. But the job required an English speaker; all but a few hands
dropped. Just about everyone could say "Good morning," but only a few could
carry an English conversation further.

The lucky worker picked--a man in his early 20s--was holding No. 39. The
contractor took him to breakfast before heading to the job site.

"I'm doing a construction job in the area and have been stopping here once
or twice a week," said the contractor, who wanted to be identified only as
Dave. "This isn't totally legit, but it's as legit as it gets. It works out
well for me."

This is the scene most mornings at city-sponsored job centers in Costa
Mesa, Orange, North Hollywood and elsewhere throughout Southern California.
Several dozen men huddle, starting before 6 a.m., waiting for an employer
to offer them work for the day.

A survey by the Los Angeles Human Relations Commission of day-laborer
hiring sites found that 97% of the dayworkers in Orange and Los Angeles
counties are Latino immigrant men. Although they are often stereotyped as
unskilled laborers, many are electricians, mechanics, masons, roofers and
bakers, the study found.

The centers are an attempt by the cities to stop the practice of workers
gathering at storefronts and street corners throughout the day waiting to
be hired.

Most municipalities have also enacted ordinances prohibiting the
solicitation of work in public areas. Orange police enforce the city
ordinance aggressively, arresting many workers who are turned over to the
U.S. Border Patrol and deported.

The commission's study found the ordinances ineffective in taking the
laborers off the streets. Researchers found that "as long as there are jobs
available, the workers will continue to gather."

According to the survey, which included Southern California and eight
states, ordinances are sometimes also applied unfairly.

"Police . . . often abuse the law by harassing Latino men into moving away
from places where they have legal rights to stand.

. . . Law enforcement also misuses the ordinance to break up employment
relationships which may be legal. Moreover, abuse of the ordinance is often
discriminatory toward minorities," the report says.

Officials in Moorpark, faced with complaints from residents and business
owners about dozens of men hanging out at Spring Road and High Street, are
trying to find an equitable solution.

Bob LeMay, the new police chief of the Ventura County city, said convincing
Moorpark officials to build a hiring hall is among his priorities. Despite
numerous complaints, there is little his officers can do, LeMay said.

"I am looking for some type of creative solution that will be beneficial to
both the residents and these individuals, [who] are only trying to scratch
out a meager living," he said.

At most centers, workers are not harassed by police, but they do need to be
able to prove they are in the country legally. But because many are
undocumented, only a small percentage actually use the facilities.

"The goal was to get people off the streets and out of the parks and give
them a place where we can put employer and worker together," said Glenn
Stroud, who supervises Costa Mesa's job center. "We've been successful, but
there's still a lot of people on the street soliciting jobs."

At a North Hollywood hiring hall run by the Coalition for Humane Immigrant
Rights of Los Angeles, even illegal immigrants can register. The facility
is unlike any other in Southern California.

Most mornings, the workers are provided coffee and Mexican sweet bread.
When the coalition began running the hall in 1997, it quickly fostered a
sense of belonging among the workers.

Workers tend a vegetable garden and have formed a band, soccer team,
theater troupe and marathon team. They also perform community service, such
as graffiti removal, and can check out books from the hall's library.

Robin S. Toma, executive director of the L.A. County Human Relations
Commission, said it is foolhardy to allow only legal residents to use the
hiring halls.

"It's a liability if the goal is to establish a site for a more organized
method of job distribution. Inclusive hiring benefits everyone: the
community, workers, employers and most of all the police, who have better
things to do than enforce ordinances and chase people away from street
corners and stores," Toma said.

Jose Campa, who works part time at the Orange Job Center, had to chase off
three scruffy men one recent morning who were not registered with the
center.

"All they want to do is work," said Campa, a burly retiree from El Paso,
Texas. "But the rules say that only registered workers can be here."

The three men said they had arrived from Veracruz, Mexico, 15 days earlier
and had lost all their money--$200 apiece--to the smuggler who brought
them. They were penniless, had not worked since they arrived and were
living on the street.

On this particular morning, only about a dozen of the 43 workers who had
registered for the day had been hired by the time the center closed at 10
a.m.

The centers aid the workers in other ways: Because city officials keep
track of the workers and the contractors who hire them, the workers usually
earn more than the $6.25 California minimum wage, and the contractors are
less likely to cheat them of their pay. Occasionally, wages are paid in
cash with no taxes withheld and no record--other than at the center--that
employer and employee met.

"I've heard terrible stories from these guys about contractors who work
them for three or four days and never pay them. This usually happens with
workers who hang out on the street. We've had one or two contractors who
have done that, but we know who they are and call them," Campa said.

The commission's report, due for release this week, quoted from a separate
study of Los Angeles-area dayworkers that found 48% had worked for an
employer who never paid them and 52% had been paid less than promised at
one time or another.

Occasionally, workers will land a long-term job. Manuel Soto recently was
laid off after three years from a construction job he got through the
Orange center.

"I took advantage of the opportunity. I learned all about construction and
after a few months I was made a heavy-equipment operator," said Soto,
speaking a mixture of English and Spanish. "I was making good money until
the contracts ran out and I lost my job."

On this morning, Soto, 30, said he was willing to take any job offered him
for the day.

The Orange center uses a lottery system to place workers. The names of
those who speak Spanish only are written on slips of white paper and placed
in a glass bowl. The names of workers who speak English are written on
green slips and placed in a basket. People are hired based on the luck of
the draw.

Luis Mandujan, 29, said workers rely on one another to keep order at the
facility.

"We don't allow anybody to get loud or rowdy. Everything is kept very
dignified here. The guys jump on anybody who brings beer. Employers don't
want to see people arguing or drinking when they come in looking for
workers."
Not all of the men are craftsmen or laborers.

Campa said a graphic artist from Mexico with computer skills was doing
menial work until he was hired by a woman who runs a silk-screening
business.

"He's now doing the company's computer graphics. I called her a few days
back to ask how he was doing, and she couldn't say enough nice things about
him. Stories like that warm your heart," Campa said.

But in Santa Ana, where day laborers hang out in front of a home
improvement warehouse store, the stories are not ones of success but of
exploitation.

It was 2 p.m. on a Thursday, and Javier Garnica, 29, Orlando Tapia, 20, and
Carlos Lopez, 25, were sitting against a chain-link fence, ready to give up
for the day and head to a soup kitchen near downtown to get something to
eat. None of the men had been able to find a job all week.

"A lot of people who hire us know that we're here illegally," Garnica said.
"Many of us get paid $4 an hour. Last week we moved furniture for a lady
for 12 hours, and we got $40 each. That's less than $4 per hour. She didn't
even buy us lunch. Most of the contractors who hire us at least buy us
lunch."

A fourth friend was not there that day because he had fallen from a roof
while working for a roofing company.

"He slipped and cut his face horribly. He had a deep gash on his cheek. The
guy who hired him told him to get away from the job site," Lopez said. "He
didn't take him to a hospital or pay him. The next day when he came by he
was still bleeding and the cut was becoming infected. We called the
paramedics and they took him to the hospital."

Lopez said that Santa Ana fire and police authorities asked them for the
name of the contractor. But nobody knew who the man was.

Garnica said that in desperate moments, he travels to the job centers in
Costa Mesa and Orange to try to get hired without registering.

"They're very strict at the centers. But sometimes that's the only way for
me to get a job that will pay at least $7 per hour," he said.

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Paul- the charges were lumped together by the city when they moved us to 
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From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Press Statement demanding campaign related charges be 
dropped...
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:20:55 -0000

Matt, Do you think it would be helpful to itemize the charges against you
guys?  I think this does a great job of 'framing' the casing, but I think
it's confusing about what's at stake for you guys as individuals at the same
time.  Paul


 >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
 >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [nbpc] Press Statement demanding campaign related charges be
 >dropped...
 >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:03:31
 >
 >February 27, 2001
 >
 >RE: Charges against community organizers relating to NB City Council
 >campaign; since moved to Highland Park due to �conflicts of interest� with
 >the New Brunswick Machine�s biased Municipal Court:
 >
 >RE: Kevin Jones, Joe Smith, Matthew Smith, Cliff Smith
 >Case#
 >s2000002713,sc2000017101,s2000002294,sc2000014556,s2000002714,s2000002762
 >Scheduled: Monday March 19, 2001, 9AM Highland Park, NJ
 >
 >
 >Press Statement
 >
 >One of the most important historic tasks of our age is the preservation of
 >democracy and our constitutional rights.   This past election season,
 >people
 >came together from across the New Brunswick community and Rutgers campus 
to
 >participate in the electoral process as a way of democratizing local
 >institutions:  NB�s rubber stamp city council and their authoritarian,
 >mayoral-appointed board of education.
 >
 >We have been told all our lives that good citizenship requires
 >participation
 >in the democratic process, with the ideal that more democracy is always
 >better that less democracy.  Unfortunately, the NB City Machine has
 >demonstrated that their individual self interests and financial gain are
 >more important than an engaged citizenry�and that democracy itself is
 >antithetical to their so-called master plan for the city�by violating the
 >rights and freedoms of a community demanding change:
 >
 >�	The outright illegal and undemocratic suppression of votes,
 >�	The illegal and unethical distribution of partisan paraphernalia inside
 >voting stations,
 >�	The constant harassment and threats of community organizers before and
 >during the election by police and drunken machine-thugs,
 >�	The suppression of the distribution of literature and information at
 >public educational institutions,
 >�	The outright fabrication of lies about the nature of grassroots
 >organizations in attempts to dismiss them or undermine the validity of
 >their
 >democratic objectives,
 >�	And finally, the physical assault of a community organizer by one of the
 >Mayor Cahill�s aids, Kevin Jones.
 >
 >The NB City Machine�s credibility in the eyes of the community is at an 
all
 >time low.  The message has clearly been: What are you going to do about 
it?
 >This is why we will continue our struggle for democracy and justice in New
 >Brunswick.   We call upon the Municipal Court of Highland Park to 
recognize
 >the sham justice that is taking place in New Brunswick, and that the
 >charges
 >against NB activists are directly related to political intimidation
 >tactics.
 >   We also call upon them to recognize our reasons for requesting these
 >charges be moved out of New Brunswick courts:  It is because of direct
 >political influence of the NB Machine upon the NB Municipal Court system
 >that has stripped it of its ability to deliberate fairly and without bias.
 >
 >In conclusion, we wish to make known to the Highland Park Municipal Court
 >our demand that New Brunswick authorities drop these politically motivated
 >charges.
 >
 >
 >Matthew Smith
 >New Jersey Freedom Organization
 >(973) 824-2949
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Press Statement
From the Campaign to Win the Elected Board of Education

For Immediate Release
Contact Joe Smith 586 5535 can_bush@...

While every city in Middlesex County prepares this April's school 
board elections, on March 19 organizers in NB for the Campaign for the 
Elected Board of Education will defend themselves in HPMC against 
phsyical and legal attacks from supporters of Mayor Cahill's appointed 
board. Including aide to the Mayor Kevin Jones, NBHS Principal Pierre 
Embrey, and municipal employee william Pfieffer.  Campaign Coordinator 
Joe Smith also has charged Jones with assaulting him on election day 
after Smith reported Jones was wearing an illegal election ribbon 
which police had to force him to remove. 

"No amount of attacks from Cahill's goons will cover the crisis in his 
school system", said Smith.  The High School graduates just over half 
enrolling freshmen and recent proficiency test results place the High 
School last in the County, down 6.5% from '99 to 56.5% proficient. 8th 
graders scored below 35%, while 4th graders averaged below 21% 9both 
excluding blue ribbon Woodrow Wilson). Roosevelt Elementary scored a 
county worst 12.7% proficiency.  Cahill must held responsible for his 
criminal betrayal and robbing of quality education from the youth of 
New Brunswick.

Group protests NB Tomorrow


      By Melissa Hayes
      Staff Writer 

                                                              
Describing the non-profit community organization New Brunswick 
Tomorrow as "doing the bidding" of the Johnson & Johnson 
pharmaceutical corporation, the Student/Worker Organization for 
Revolutionary Democracy attended the 2nd Ward Neighborhood        
Block Club meeting Monday night. The meeting, held at the New 
Brunswick Free Public Library on Livingston Avenue, featured New 
Brunswick Tomorrow President Jeffrey Vega as a speaker.

Vega, a graduate student of urban planning and public policy, 
explained the purpose of New Brunswick Tomorrow to interested 
community members. He said that the group provides numerous programs, 
including the creation of a career development curriculum for New 
Brunswick students enrolled in kindergarten through 12th grade.

Along with area Catholic charities, Vega's organization has developed 
a case management program for public-assistance residents of Memorial 
Homes who are facing eviction as the building is reconstructed into 
several mixed-income housing units. The program evaluates what each 
household needs as it relocates, crafting a customized plan for family 
aid, which Vega said was an effective initiative.

But Joe Smith, a University College first-year student, disagreed. 
Smith, a member of the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary 
Democracy, said after the meeting that his organization is "not 
satisfied with the way that [New Brunswick Tomorrow is]handling the 
Memorial Homes situation."

Vega said at the meeting that Johnson & Johnson funds 6 percent of New 
Brunswick Tomorrow's annual budget. Vega described Johnson & Johnson 
as "one of [the group's] main contributors." Smith said that New 
Brunswick Tomorrow "calls themselves a not-for-profit organization and 
they try to pass it off like they have [the people's]interests [in 
mind], but that's a lie." Smith insinuated that Johnson & Johnson may 
possess ulterior motives for giving New Brunswick Tomorrow its annual 
allotment.

"The public actually has no role in the `development' of New 
Brunswick," according to a prepared statement from the organization. 
Smith elaborated, saying that the public should elect members of New 
Brunswick Tomorrow.

"$6 million is not just peanuts and little kids' basketball games," he 
said. Smith felt that more could be done for the community with the 
money. New Brunswick needs job training facilities, cultural centers 
for youth and more, Smith said.

"There is no public vote on resources available," he added. Smith said 
that he feels New Brunswick Tomorrow is being controlled by the 
private sector and the people of New Brunswick should be given the 
opportunity to be more involved with the group.

But Vega said he does not understand why Smith is against New 
Brunswick Tomorrow, which he described as a benefit to the community. 
He said he does not know where the animus against the group from the 
Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy came from. 

Charitable Choice or
	Compassionate �Convert�icism??

On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal 
office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally 
financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01).

The cornerstone of the �compassionate conservative� agenda, so-called 
�faith-based initiatives� pose serious threats to the public safety net, 
public sector employment, and civil rights in general.

What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to 
prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy 
Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its 
relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of 
separation between church and state?

AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY

What are we going to do about it???

Join us in for an interactive discussion
break down the myths and
examine the truth behind �charitable choice�
and the latest right-wing attack on democracy

with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers student 
activist

Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm
Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe
Douglass College Center
FREE!

Sponsored by:
Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian,
and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO)

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The Campaign's next general meeting is Saturday, March 3, 2001, at 
2:00 p.m., at the New Brunswick Public Library, Livingston Avenue.

The Steering Committee has finalized the agenda for the meeting; 
however, we are still fine-tuning a number of the specific 
proposals.  However, to give as much advance notice as is possible 
under the circumstances, the agenda appears below.


NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
General Meeting Agenda
March 3, 2001

I. 	Introduction - 2:00 sharp

II. 	Approval of the Chair - 2:05

III. 	Approval of Minutes from February 10, 2001 general meeting - 
2:08

IV. 	Approval of the Agenda 2:10 

V. 	Discussion: Community Participation within the People's 
Campaign, 2:15

VI. 	Adoption of Rules concerning who is a member of the Campaign, 
2:40

	The Steering Committee requests that the Members adopt rules 
to clearly define who is a Member of the Campaign.


VII.	 Building of the Campaign Organization, 2:55

	The Steering Committee's actual experiences over the past 
year suggest that work is best done in the Campaign when (a) the 
needed work is clearly defined by the membership as well as the 
volunteer who will be performing it; (b) the work is delegated to a 
knowledgeable and enthusiastic person who is empowered with broad 
responsibilities and authority with respect to that work; (c) the 
volunteer receives both training to do the job and the enthusiastic 
support of other Campaign members and (d) the volunteer is 
accountable to the members and the Steering Committee for their job. 

        The Steering Committee will present for discussion and 
approval, a proposal for principal positions within the Campaign.


VIII. 	Introductory Discussion of the New Brunswick People's 
Campaign Mission Statement, emphasizing our commitment to promoting 
political and cultural self-determination for all people, 3:20


IX. 	Election of Alternate Members of the Steering Committee (in 
accordance with the Membership's instructions of 2/10/01), 3:40


X. 	Discussion of the Rights and Responsibilities of Members, 3:55

        The Steering Committee will request that the Members adopt a 
Code of Civil Conduct.


XI. 	Absentee ballot procedure, 4:10

In accordance with the Membership's orders at the 2/10/01 meeting, 
the Steering Committee announces that telephonic or paper absentee 
ballots may be cast by any person who is a member of the Campaign (as 
we have defined earlier) for elected positions within the Campaign.  
To cast an absentee ballot, the person must contact a member of the 
Steering Committee by the third day before a meeting.  The Steering 
Committee member will give further instructions about the ballot.   
We also introduce for your consideration, and for discussion and 
adoption at the next meeting, procedural rules to govern absentee 
balloting.


XII. 	Announcement of Upcoming General Membership Meeting dates. 

	The Campaign's meetings will be held on the last Saturday of 
each month, unless holidays intervene.  Thus, the schedule of 
meetings for the upcoming month is as follows.

March 31; April 28; June 2; June 30; July 28.

         All meetings are held at 2:00 at the New Brunswick Public 
Library, Livingston Avenue, New Brunswick:

XIII.	Please consider the following issues which will be discussed 
at the next meeting (in addition to the items mentioned above):

	A. What should be the Campaign's involvement, if any, in the 
2001 gubernatorial elections?


XIV.	Updates on other items from last meeting: press conference, 
third party forums, phone tree, membership lists, 4:25
 

XV.	General announcements: social events, forums, press 
conferences, court hearings, municipal meetings, etc., 4:30


XVI.	Adjournment and cleanup, 4:40 p.m.

A quorum of the Steering Committee has approved of the following 
proposal regarding who is a member of the Campaign.  It will be 
submitted to the membership for a vote at the March 3, 2001 meeting.

MEMBERSHIP OF THE CAMPAIGN

A. 	Members of the Campaign are:

	1. New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens 
or not, upon appearing at a general meeting or a convention meeting;

	2. Non-New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether 
citizens or not, who have within the last six months, performed 
actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign, upon 
attending a full general meeting or convention meeting of the 
Campaign; and

	3. Any person under age 13, whether a citizen or not, who has 
within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual 
assistance to the Campaign.
 

B.	A person who supports the Campaign and who has performed 
actual work for the Campaign but whose schedule does not allow them 
to attend meetings may be made a member by vote of the Steering 
Committee.

 
C. 	A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to 
the purposes of the Campaign.

A quorum of the Steering Committee has approved the attached proposal 
concerning key jobs within the Campaign.  It will be submitted to the 
membership for discussion and approval at the March 3, 2001 meeting.  
(see item VII of the agenda)

PROPOSAL FOR PRINCIPAL POSITIONS
WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN


Proposal for principal positions within the Campaign (Specific duties 
to be decided upon by the volunteer and the Steering Committee):

1. Coordinator of Advocacy for Education and Youth Activities
2. Coordinator of Advocacy for Police Oversight and Criminal Justice 
issues
3. Coordinator of Advocacy for Housing and Rent Control issues 
4. Coordinator of Advocacy for Economic Development and Job/Career 
Issues
5. Director of Media Relations
6. Director of Publishing/Newspapers
7. Director of Fundraising
8. Treasurer
9. Director of Special Investigations
10. Other positions suggested at the meeting.

The Steering Committee presents for your consideration and approval 
at the March 3, 2001 meeting the attached Statement of Rights and 
Responsibilities.  (This is the last of the attachments concerning 
the agenda).  Thanks for taking the time to look at them, and I hope 
to see everyone there on Thursday!  -- Flavio


STATEMENT OF RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES

	The New Brunswick People's Campaign is an association 
committed to inclusion of all persons who share its objectives, and 
has adopted this Statement to foster this atmosphere of inclusion.  
Nevertheless, mindful that vigorous political debate will necessarily 
occur within this organization, these precepts are not meant to 
stifle legitimate political debate in any manner.

	1.	No Campaign member may purposely, knowingly or 
recklessly cause bodily injury to, or attempt to cause bodily injury 
to:
	(a)	another Campaign member; or
	(b)	any person, while performing work for the Campaign.

	2.	No Campaign member may engage in threatening, 
harassing, or menacing behavior toward:
	(a)	another Campaign member; or
	(b)	any person, while performing work for the Campaign.
	
	3.	Behavior is threatening, harassing, or menacing when:
	(a) 	it creates actual fear or intimidation in the person 
or persons to whom it is directed or in a person or persons who 
actually see and/or hear the behavior in question; and
	(b)	a reasonable person would experience fear or 
intimidation from such behavior. 

	4.	No Campaign member may: (a) through speech or 
conduct, express contempt or scorn for any person on account of their 
race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, age, marital status, 
sex, affectional or sexual orientation, atypical cellular hereditary 
blood trait, veteran status, liability for service in the Armed 
Forces, or mental or physical disability; or (b) purposely, 
knowingly, or recklessly discriminate against any person on account 
of any of the traits set forth in section (a) hereof.   A Campaign 
member who engages in such conduct does not do so on behalf of the 
Campaign and may be sanctioned as provided in this Statement.

	5.	 Any Campaign member aware of a possible violation of 
this Statement shall personally discuss it with a Steering Committee 
member, or with a person who promises to discuss it with a Steering 
Committee member.

	6.	A Steering Committee member, after learning of a 
possible violation, shall attempt to mediate or resolve the dispute 
in consultation with other Steering Committee members.

	7.	If the intervention of the Steering Committee does 
not resolve the situation, any Campaign member has the right to 
present the issue formally to the Steering Committee, making the 
specific charges under oath.  Such member may request sanctions, up 
to and including expulsion of the alleged offender.  As with all 
decisions of the Steering Committee, any person dissatisfied with the 
Steering Committee's resolution may appeal the decision at a general 
meeting.

	8.	The conduct described in Sections 1, 2, or 4 above, 
if engaged in at a meeting, is per se conduct out of order, and the 
Chair of such a meeting may sanction a person engaging in such 
conduct, up to and including expelling him or her from the meeting. 
As with all decisions of the Chair, any person dissatisfied with the 
Chair's decision may appeal the decision to the membership.

I think we need to think of positions in the campaign along these lines...

this is good for a suggested structure, but the membership mainly needs to 
be involved in creating structure, the group itself needs to experience 
creative discussion.

I don't know if that's all-together possible at a large meeting. People can 
put their two cents in, but for every person at the meeting, there may be 
ten or fifteen questions and comments.

I think experienced folks know that it's often hard to get your comments in 
at a meeting of ten, much less fifty or so...

I think both trends need to be worked on together-  topdown and bottomup.  
Paul


>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] MARCH 3 MEETING-ITEM VII (BUILDING OF THE CAMPAIGN 
>ORGANIZATION)
>Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:36:14 -0000
>
>A quorum of the Steering Committee has approved the attached proposal
>concerning key jobs within the Campaign.  It will be submitted to the
>membership for discussion and approval at the March 3, 2001 meeting.
>(see item VII of the agenda)
>
>PROPOSAL FOR PRINCIPAL POSITIONS
>WITHIN THE CAMPAIGN
>
>
>Proposal for principal positions within the Campaign (Specific duties
>to be decided upon by the volunteer and the Steering Committee):
>
>1. Coordinator of Advocacy for Education and Youth Activities
>2. Coordinator of Advocacy for Police Oversight and Criminal Justice
>issues
>3. Coordinator of Advocacy for Housing and Rent Control issues
>4. Coordinator of Advocacy for Economic Development and Job/Career
>Issues
>5. Director of Media Relations
>6. Director of Publishing/Newspapers
>7. Director of Fundraising
>8. Treasurer
>9. Director of Special Investigations
>10. Other positions suggested at the meeting.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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----Original Message Follows----
From: Pacifica Campaign <pacificacampaign@...>
To: Juan Gonzalez <pacificacampaign@...>
Subject: Pacifica Campaign Censorship Alert
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 00:08:52 -0500

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
MARCH 1, 2001
E-MAIL: PACIFICACAMPAIGN@...

PACIFICA CAMPAIGN CONDEMNS CENSORSHIP OF DEMOCRACY NOW!
SHAMEFUL ACTION UNDERSCORES NEED FOR NEW LEADERSHIP

NEW YORK -- Pacifica Radio�s censorship of a commentary by death row
prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal on Democracy Now! Wednesday highlights the
continuing disregard for journalistic integrity and free speech at the
52-year-old network.

Pacifica station WPFW in Washington DC cut off Abu-Jamal�s commentary in
mid-stream just as he started talking about the December firings at Pacifica
station WBAI. Shortly after the commentary was over, WPFW returned to
Democracy Now!

�The naked hostility towards open dialogue and the free exchange of ideas
hurts Pacifica journalists and listeners. It�s an affront to free speech
principles and enormously damages the credibility of the network,� said Juan
Gonzalez, the coordinator of the Pacifica Campaign, a month old organization
calling for the resignation of the Pacifica Radio Board.

Still, the censorship continues. Today, Pacifica station KPFT in Houston cut
into Democracy Now! when host Amy Goodman said that she was looking forward
to seeing people at the Pacifica National Board meeting at the Doubletree
Hotel in Houston this weekend. Goodman also announced that she would be
speaking Friday night at the MECA center on Kane St.

�What are Pacifica executives afraid of? By arbitrarily censoring their own
journalists, the present management and Board leadership has shown that they
are unfit to lead any news organization, let alone a network like Pacifica
which has historically been at the cutting edge of free speech,� said
Bok-keem Nyerere, a staff member of the Pacifica Campaign.

Mumia Abu-Jamal�s commentaries focus on everything from fatherhood to �mad
cow� disease. They have run on Democracy Now! for the past four years.
Ironically, Pacifica executives had previously protested the censorship of
Mumia�s commentaries on Democracy Now! In 1997, WRTI-FM, a Philadelphia
station with 11 affiliates across the state, canceled its contract with
Pacifica Radio following the airing of an Abu-Jamal commentary on Democracy
Now!

The Pacifica Campaign is urging all concerned about free speech to protest
these egregious acts of censorship which are being endorsed by a corporate
clique that has hijacked the Pacifica Board. Call today for the resignation
of all Pacifica Board officers.

1) Pacifica Board Chair David Acosta
A Houston CPA at a family firm, David Acosta�s work number is 713-926-4604.
His home number is (713) 660-8212. As a Pacifica listener, staffer and/or
contributor, let your voice be heard. Please tell David Acosta that he --
and all Board officers -- must resign from the Pacifica National Board
immediately.

2) Pacifica Board Treasurer Micheal Palmer
He is a Vice President at CB Richard Ellis in Houston, the world�s largest
commercial real estate services firm. Call his boss, Managing Director Will
Penland, at 713-840-6501. Please let Mr. Will Penland know that Micheal
Palmer is tarnishing the name of CB Richard Ellis because of the
mismanagement and censorship at Pacifica Radio. Ask Mr. Penland to urge that
Micheal Palmer resign from the Pacifica Board. Be polite but be firm.

(F)


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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 12:56:48 -0500
From: "Feldenkreiss, Mary" <felden@...>
To: GRANTNET_AH@...
Subject: GrantNet March - Arts & Humanities

AH-1353
New Jersey State Council on the Arts
Various Grant Programs

The New Jersey State Council on the Arts (NJSCA) awards grants on a highly
competitive basis, employing standardized criteria for eligibility and
evaluation published in guidelines and convening panels of independent
experts in the various fields of endeavor for objective feedback and
recommendations. Only non-profit organizations or New Jersey artists may be
considered for NJSCA funding. Generally, the grants are organized by the
artistic discipline of the applicant which, in addition to dance, theater,
music, crafts, etc., also includes arts basic to education, presenting
organizations and folk arts. Historically, grant recipients over-match the
Council's funding nearly 15:1.
Deadlines vary by program. Please visit the website for more information.
<http://www.njartscouncil.org/program2.html>
Deadline: Vary by program
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AH-1354
National Endowment for the Arts
Funding Opportunities

The arts reflect the past, enrich the present, and imagine the future. The
National Endowment for the Arts, an investment in America's living cultural
heritage, serves the public good by nurturing the expression of human
creativity, supporting the cultivation of community spirit, and fostering
the recognition and appreciation of the excellence and diversity of our
nation's artistic accomplishments.
Please visit the website for various funding opportunities and programs.
Deadlines vary by program.
<http://www.arts.endow.gov>
Deadline: Vary by program

  _____

AH-1355
National Endowment for the Humanities
Grant and Fellowship Programs

The Endowment's mission is to enrich American cultural life by promoting the
study of history and culture. NEH grants typically go to individuals and
cultural institutions such as museums, archives, libraries, colleges,
universities, historical societies, public television and radio stations.
The grants:
* preserve and provide access to cultural and educational resources
* strengthen teaching and learning in schools and colleges
* promote research and original scholarship
* provide opportunities for lifelong learning
* strengthen the institutional base of the humanities
Deadlines vary by program. Please visit website for more informaiton.
<http://www.neh.fed.us/grants/guidelines.html>
Deadline: Vary by program

  _____

ID-1356
Spain Ministry of Education and Culture
Program for Cultural Cooperation

In the spring of 1983, the Spanish Government's Minister of Culture and a
distinguished group of Hispanicists from United States academic institutions
decided to create a Program for Cultural Cooperation between Spain's
Ministry of Education and Culture and US universities. The program was
officially inaugurated in October of that year. The program is designed to
promote closer ties between scholarly Hispanicism in the US in the areas of
humanities, social sciences, and the cultural and academic developments of
Spain. Projects oriented toward the dissemination of Spanish culture
throughout the academic systems of the US are reviewed for subsidy. Priority
is given to those proposals of high scholarly quality which will have an
important impact upon the field of Hispanicism, both regionally and
nationwide. Since its conception, the program has granted a considerable
amount of subsidies supporting a variety of events. Proposals encompass
visiting professorships; the publication of scholarly journals,
translations, and literary texts; symposia, film series, and exhibitions;
and dissertation scholarships. More than 300 US academic institutions have
benefited from these subsidies.
<http://www.umabroad.umn.edu/pub/pcc/pcc.html>
Deadline: 4/2/01
  _____



Mary Feldenkreiss
Information Specialist
Office of Research & Sponsored Programs
58 Bevier Road
Piscataway, NJ  08854-8010
ASB Annex II - Busch Campus
732/445-5096
732/445-3257
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Subject: GrantNet March - Education

ED-1288
American Educational Research Foundation
AERA Postdoctoral Fellows Program

With support from the National Science Foundation (NSF), the National Center
for Education Statistics (NCES), and the Office of Educational Research and
Improvement (OERI), the AERA Grants Program announces its POSTDOCTORAL
FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM. The program's goal is to build the capacity for
conducting quality quantitative research in education policy by providing
support and encouragement to promising scholars at the beginning of their
careers. The program enables researchers to engage in a year of postdoctoral
research and scholarship while working with a qualified mentor at an
institution of higher education. Minority researchers are strongly
encouraged to apply. The AERA Grants Program Postdoctoral Fellowships are
1-year, non- renewable fellowships that provide researchers an opportunity
to conduct independent research under the guidance of a qualified mentor,
preferably within a school of education at a host institution of higher
education. Research topics may cover a wide range of education
policy-related issues that include but are not limited to: school
persistence and career entry; teachers and teaching, including supply,
quality, and demand; policies and practices related to achievement; policies
and practices that influence student and parental attitudes; contextual
factors (individual, curricular, and school related) in education; education
in middle schools; educational participation and persistence (kindergarten
through graduate school); at-risk students; early childhood education; US
education in an international context; school finance; materials
(curriculum) development, research and informal science education;
undergraduate science, engineering, and mathematics education; the supply
(pipeline) of students taking mathematics and science courses from K-12;
research and career development; higher education; and the quality of
educational institutions.
Contact Jeanie Murdock (phone 805-964-5264 or email aera@...)
if you have questions.
Other deadlines are September 5, 2001 and January 5, 2002.
No website given
Deadline: 3/5/01
  _____


ED-1299
National Science Foundation
Elementary, Secondary, and Informal Education: Informal Science Education
and ASCEND Projects

Informal Science Education (ISE) activities provide rich and stimulating
opportunities outside formal school settings where individuals of all ages,
interests, and backgrounds increase their appreciation and understanding of
science, mathematics, engineering, and technology. ISE projects take place
in diverse environments (e.g., museums, zoos, arboreta, community centers,
homes) and involve the use of various media (e.g., broadcast, film,
interactive technology, print, exhibits). Projects typically are designed to
reach large audiences or to have the potential for significant national or
regional impact. To broaden its impact, ISE promotes collaborations among
organizations that have similar goals, especially when projects can bridge
the informal and formal education communities. Through collaborations,
partners combine their resources and expertise to develop effective
strategies for reaching target audiences. A special class of projects, NSF
After School Centers for Exploration and New Discovery (ASCEND), is part of
ISE's community-based program activities.
Informal Science Education Preliminary, No Later Than-March 5; Full-May 31
Preliminary, No Later Than-August 2; Full-November 15 Except for the
following: - ASCEND Projects Preliminary-August 14; Full-November 15
<http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0160/nsf0160.txt>
Deadline: 3/5/01

  _____

ED-1300
National Science Foundation
Elementary, Secondary, and Informal Education: Instructional Materials
Development (IMD)

Instructional Materials Development (IMD) projects create instructional
materials and student assessments that change classroom instruction and
assessment in grades preK-12, enabling students to acquire a sophisticated
understanding of science, mathematics, and technology. The materials
incorporate investigative, inquiry-based science, mathematics, and
technology (SMT) activities and align with national standards for content,
teaching, and assessment. IMD-supported materials promote the success of all
students and promote positive student attitudes toward science, mathematics,
and technology. Projects range from major revision of existing materials to
the creation of new ones; from a few modules at a single instructional level
to comprehensive curricula for several school years; from a focus on a
single topic to the integration of several SMT disciplines; and from
assessments embedded in classroom materials to the creation of assessment
items and full assessment programs that may be used by districts and states.
All projects include comprehensive plans for national dissemination and
implementation to ensure the use of the materials in numerous and diverse
settings.
<http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0160/nsf0160.txt>
Deadline: 5/9/01

  _____

ED-1301
National Science Foundation
Elementary, Secondary, and Informal Education: Teacher Enhancement (TE) and
Applied Research

Teacher Enhancement (TE) projects provide professional development
opportunities to broaden and deepen the disciplinary knowledge and
pedagogical skills of teachers, thus improving their ability to deliver rich
and challenging SMT education to all students. Through active involvement of
administrators, projects address the need to provide requisite resources to
support SMT education reform. TE supports projects that: (1) develop the
capacity of schools and teachers to implement a high-quality,
standards-based SMT program for all students; (2) develop leaders in
content, pedagogy, and professional development; (3) improve retention rates
of novice teachers during their initial years of teaching; (4) create
professional development materials for teachers; and (5) include innovative
applications and effective implementation of educational technologies.
Emphasis is placed on projects that focus on professional development of
teachers as a primary driver for implementing SMT education reform. Applied
Research. ESIE has a strong commitment to applied research that assesses the
effectiveness and impact of its programs in enhancing learning and
instruction in science, mathematics, and technology in both formal and
informal educational settings. The purpose of this effort is to ensure that
all ESIE programs are firmly grounded in a solid research base and that
their projects benefit from this knowledge. Applied research provides
important feedback for strengthening ESIE's portfolio and for identifying
new programmatic directions.
<http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0160/nsf0160.txt>
Deadline: 5/18/01

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ID-1262
Department of Defense
National Security Education Program

Objectives of the program is to equip Americans with an understanding of
less commonly taught languages and cultures and enable the nation to remain
integrally involved in global issues related to U.S. National Security; to
build a critical base of future leaders both in government service and in
higher education, who have cultivated international relationships and worked
and studied alongside experts of other countries; to develop a cadre of
professionals with more than the traditional knowledge of language and
culture who can use this ability to help the U.S. make sound decisions on
and deal effectively with global issues related to U.S. National Security;
and to enhance institutional capacity and increase the number of faculty who
can educate U.S. citizens toward achieving these goals.
<http://www.ndu.edu/nsep/>
Deadline: 4/9/01
  _____


ID-1271
Department of State
Master's Degree Program in Business Administration for Croatia

The Office of Global Educational Programs of the Bureau of Educational and
Cultural Affairs in the Department of State announces an open competition
for an assistance award to support the Consortium of Faculties of Economics
in Croatia as the Consortium develops a full- time Master's Degree program
in Business Administration to be based in the city of Zadar. Core program
instruction for the MBA program will take place in Zadar during the second
year of the program, once a curriculum is developed in collaboration with
the Consortium of Faculties of Economics. Accredited post-secondary
educational institutions and other organizations meeting the provisions
described in IRS regulation 26 CFR 1.501(c) may submit proposals that
address these objectives. The means for achieving these objectives may
include curriculum development, faculty training, case study development,
consultation, research, distance education, internship training and
professional outreach to public and private sector managers and
entrepreneurs.
<http://exchanges.state.gov/education/rfgps/menu.htm>
Deadline: 4/27/01

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ID-1287
American Educational Research Foundation
Research Fellows Program

With support from the National Science Foundation (NSF) and National Center
for Education Statistics (NCES), the American Educational Research
Association (AERA) Grants Program announces its Research Fellows Program.
The program provides opportunities for beginning researchers, including
advanced graduate students and researchers who have recently completed their
doctorate (within the last seven years), to focus on policy-related research
while in residence at either NCES or NSF. Research Fellows will work with
the agency's professional staff to become familiar with the agency's
programs and relevant databases. Each Research Fellow will be expected to
undertake a research project related to the agency's mission. Minority
researchers are strongly encouraged to apply. Background The AERA Grants
Program has two main objectives for the Research Fellows Program: (1) to
strengthen communications between U.S. scholars in the educational research
community and those in government agencies, and (2) to enhance the
capability of U.S. scholars to practice policy-relevant and basic research
using the rich data sources at NCES and NSF, including those focusing on
mathematics and science education issues.
Contact Jeanie Murdock (phone 805-964-5264 or email aera@...)
if you have questions.
Other deadlines are September 5, 2001 and January 5, 2002.
No website given
Deadline: 3/5/01
  _____

ID-1302
National Science Foundation
NSF Director's Award for Distinguished Teaching Scholars (DTS)

The National Science Foundation (NSF) seeks to promote improvements in the
education of undergraduates who enroll in science, mathematics, engineering,
or technology (SMET) courses. The NSF Director's Award for Distinguished
Teaching Scholars (DTS) recognizes and rewards individuals with
distinguished records of educating undergraduates while also contributing
significantly to the scholarship of a SMET discipline. DTS is part of NSF's
efforts to promote an academic culture that values and rewards members of
the community who contribute to both disciplinary scholarship and the SMET
education of undergraduates, including students who are not majoring in SMET
disciplines. The Director's Award is the highest honor bestowed by the NSF
for excellence in both teaching and research in SMET fields, or in
educational research related to these disciplines. The awards will be
conferred at a ceremony held at the National Science Foundation.
LETTER OF INTENT DUE DATE(S) (optional): March 30, 2001
FULL PROPOSAL DEADLINE(S): May 10, 2001
<http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0164/nsf0164.htm>
Deadline: 5/10/01
  _____


ID-1303
National Science Foundation
Course, Curriculum, and Laboratory Improvement (CCLI)

The Course, Curriculum, and Laboratory Improvement (CCLI) program seeks to
improve the quality of Science, Mathematics, Engineering, and Technological
(SMET) education for all students and targets activities affecting learning
environments, course content, curricula, and educational practices. The
program has three tracks: 1. Educational Materials Development (CCLI-EMD)
Projects are expected to produce innovative materials that incorporate
effective educational practices to improve student learning of science,
mathematics, engineering, and technology. Projects to develop textbooks,
software, or laboratory materials for commercial distribution are
appropriate. Two types of EMD projects will be supported: a) those that
intend to demonstrate the scientific and educational feasibility of an idea,
a "proof of concept" or prototype, and b) those based on prior experience
with a prototype that intend to fully develop the product or practice. Such
materials are expected to be disseminated nationally for adoption and
adaptation. 2. Adaptation and Implementation (CCLI-A&I) Projects are
expected to result in improved education in science, mathematics,
engineering and technology at academic institutions through adaptation and
implementation of exemplary materials, laboratory experiences, and/or
educational practices that have been developed and tested at other
institutions. Proposals may request funds in any budget category supported
by NSF, or may request funds to purchase only instrumentation. 3. National
Dissemination (CCLI-ND) Projects are expected to provide faculty with
professional development opportunities to enable them to introduce new
content into undergraduate courses and laboratories, and to explore
effective educational practices to improve their teaching effectiveness.
Projects should be designed to offer workshops, short courses, or similar
activities on a national scale in single or multiple disciplines.
LETTER OF INTENT DUE DATE(S) (optional): April 23, 2001
FULL PROPOSAL DEADLINE(S) :June 5, 2001 A&I Track
June 6, 2001 EMD and ND Tracks
<http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2001/nsf0158/nsf0158.htm>
Deadline: 6/5/01

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Mary Feldenkreiss
Information Specialist
Office of Research & Sponsored Programs
58 Bevier Road
Piscataway, NJ  08854-8010
ASB Annex II - Busch Campus
732/445-5096
732/445-3257
http://orsp.rutgers.edu

Paul,

I drew it straight out of the New Jersey Law Against Discrimination, NJSA
10:5-12.

I am fairly sure that it means sickle cell but I am not certain.  Our
purpose was to make clear that we do not tolerate any kind of
discrimination.

If we get the sense from the room that it (or any of the proposals) are
either too formalistic or top-down, it's outta there.  But having said that,
as the organization grows, there are a few things that need to be formally
set down.  One of them is that we expect new members that join us, like the
existing members, to have an ethic of NO discrimination  and NO abusive
behavior, and that a person who doesn't like these norms  will be talked to
about it.  The Statement of Rights and Reponsibilities, as we saw it, sets
this down without infringing vigorous debate or speech.

I am looking forward to hearing additional input about it on Saturday.

Flavio



----- Original Message -----
From: Paul McGee <shorepaulie@...>
To: <Groovemeister007@...>
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:30 AM
Subject: (RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF MEMBERS)


> Groovie meister,  What's 'atypical cellular hereditary blood trait' doing
in
> here? Are you referring to sickle cells?  Don't you think you've gone a
bit
> too far?  We don't want to seem too formalistic and top-down...In Unity,
> Paul
>
>
> >From: Groovemeister007@...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [nbpc] MARCH 3 AGENDA-ITEM X (RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF
> >MEMBERS)
> >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 23:48:57 -0000
> >
> >The Steering Committee presents for your consideration and approval
> >at the March 3, 2001 meeting the attached Statement of Rights and
> >Responsibilities.  (This is the last of the attachments concerning
> >the agenda).  Thanks for taking the time to look at them, and I hope
> >to see everyone there on Thursday!  -- Flavio
> >
> >
> >STATEMENT OF RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES
> >
> > The New Brunswick People's Campaign is an association
> >committed to inclusion of all persons who share its objectives, and
> >has adopted this Statement to foster this atmosphere of inclusion.
> >Nevertheless, mindful that vigorous political debate will necessarily
> >occur within this organization, these precepts are not meant to
> >stifle legitimate political debate in any manner.
> >
> > 1. No Campaign member may purposely, knowingly or
> >recklessly cause bodily injury to, or attempt to cause bodily injury
> >to:
> > (a) another Campaign member; or
> > (b) any person, while performing work for the Campaign.
> >
> > 2. No Campaign member may engage in threatening,
> >harassing, or menacing behavior toward:
> > (a) another Campaign member; or
> > (b) any person, while performing work for the Campaign.
> >
> > 3. Behavior is threatening, harassing, or menacing when:
> > (a) it creates actual fear or intimidation in the person
> >or persons to whom it is directed or in a person or persons who
> >actually see and/or hear the behavior in question; and
> > (b) a reasonable person would experience fear or
> >intimidation from such behavior.
> >
> > 4. No Campaign member may: (a) through speech or
> >conduct, express contempt or scorn for any person on account of their
> >race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, age, marital status,
> >sex, affectional or sexual orientation, atypical cellular hereditary
> >blood trait, veteran status, liability for service in the Armed
> >Forces, or mental or physical disability; or (b) purposely,
> >knowingly, or recklessly discriminate against any person on account
> >of any of the traits set forth in section (a) hereof.   A Campaign
> >member who engages in such conduct does not do so on behalf of the
> >Campaign and may be sanctioned as provided in this Statement.
> >
> > 5. Any Campaign member aware of a possible violation of
> >this Statement shall personally discuss it with a Steering Committee
> >member, or with a person who promises to discuss it with a Steering
> >Committee member.
> >
> > 6. A Steering Committee member, after learning of a
> >possible violation, shall attempt to mediate or resolve the dispute
> >in consultation with other Steering Committee members.
> >
> > 7. If the intervention of the Steering Committee does
> >not resolve the situation, any Campaign member has the right to
> >present the issue formally to the Steering Committee, making the
> >specific charges under oath.  Such member may request sanctions, up
> >to and including expulsion of the alleged offender.  As with all
> >decisions of the Steering Committee, any person dissatisfied with the
> >Steering Committee's resolution may appeal the decision at a general
> >meeting.
> >
> > 8. The conduct described in Sections 1, 2, or 4 above,
> >if engaged in at a meeting, is per se conduct out of order, and the
> >Chair of such a meeting may sanction a person engaging in such
> >conduct, up to and including expelling him or her from the meeting.
> >As with all decisions of the Chair, any person dissatisfied with the
> >Chair's decision may appeal the decision to the membership.
> >
> >
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> XII. 	Announcement of Upcoming General Membership Meeting dates. 
> 
> 	The Campaign's meetings will be held on the last Saturday of 
> each month, unless holidays intervene.  Thus, the schedule of 
> meetings for the upcoming month is as follows.
> 
> March 31; April 28; June 2; June 30; July 28.

Heh. I can't wait to see who shows up for this one.

Keith- Great article- Though I would include aline toward the end drawing 
out the dialectical relationship and distinction between the local and 
national struggle...

ie:  "We too most utilize the lesser of two evil tactic [at the broader 
state and national level while building peoples democratic movement to sieze 
power at the local level]


as the only way to build our strength,
unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy

--Matthew

----Original Message Follows----
From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: "nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com" <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [nbpc] article
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1980 18:04:33 -0500

This is my article for upcoming People' Campaign NewsPaper

McGreevy For Governor, New Jersey Must Not Be Bushwhacked

By Keith Joseph

The People's Campaign, progressives, revolutionaries, and anyone
interested in seeing the movement for democracy advance must support
McGreevy this November in the race for governor in New Jersey. Either of
the potential Republican candidates would be a disaster. Not only for
New Jersey but also for the entire nation. The National Republican
leadership has announced that the New Jersey gubernatorial election will
be an opportunity for Bush's appointment as President of the United
States to be legitimated. We can not allow this to happen. We must make
the defeat of the Republicans in this election a protest against Bush's
presidency as well as the electoral college that made it possible.
      The Green Party has threatened to run a candidate despite the fact
Nader's candidacy delivered the people into the bloody hands of Bush.
They continue to posture as progressives yet the results of their
efforts could not be more reactionary. They already assisted in giving
us Bush and now they threaten to do the same in New Jersey.
      Actively participating in McGreevy's campaign would allow the
People's Campaign and progressive forces to build momentum for the local
elections in New Brunswick and Newark in 2002. We will be able to
register voters and also make the connections and build the networks
necessary for our future efforts. The working class and democratic small
businesses, students and professionals are obviously the constituency we
are seeking, it should also be obvious that they are connected in some
way to the Democratic Party. One reason for this is that they understand
the lesser of two evil tactic very clearly. In this country most people
are voting against a politician rather than for one. We too most utilize
the lesser of two evil tactic, as the only way to build our strength,
unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy. Clearly
and openly uniting with working people and democratic middle classes in
their opposition to Republican reaction at the national and statewide
level is the only path to unity at the local level against Mayor Cahil
in 2002.



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hi

I am looking for Darryl if anyone knows how I can get in touch with him via 
phone or email, please let me know.

Louise
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subverter@... is last e-mail address i have for daryle.



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wrote:
> hi
> 
> I am looking for Darryl if anyone knows how I can get in touch with 
him via 
> phone or email, please let me know.
> 
> Louise
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upcoming court case for cliff matt and myself. we need people' 
campaign membership to write up letters to the editors for the local 
papers on our behalf. 2-3 paragraphs is sufficient along with name 
address and phone # of author so papers can check source. people can 
e-mail me can_bush@... and i'll be able to get letters to 
papers. PC members should be able to have a dozen letters done in next 
few days.

joe 586.5535

Hi all

The Education/ youth program will be holding the first of a monthly 
discussion group on education in conjunction with our education program. On 
Sunday March 18 at 6pm at 136 Baldwin Street we discuss Chapter 2 in Paulo 
Friere's The Pedagogy of the Oppressed- (on the Banking concept of 
education). Let me know if you need a copy of the piece. We may show a short 
documentary as well.

Thanks

Louise & Sam
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Hey Lou,  DLJ's email address is 'subverter@...'.  he's seriously 
chasing the right around the country.  That should be the best way to get 
him.  Paul


>From: "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] trying to contact DLJ
>Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:14:23 -0500
>
>hi
>
>I am looking for Darryl if anyone knows how I can get in touch with him via
>phone or email, please let me know.
>
>Louise
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Keith, I have a few concerns about your article...First, I'm not sure 
who your audience is.  I think the article will be most clear to 
revolutionaries who think electoral politics are important.   This 
paper will go out to New Brunswick residents in general. Very few NB 
voters to be prodded to vote democrat.  I think the main issue is 
whether people even decide to vote in gub. elections.  

The article also assumes the distinctions between rep and dem are 
obvious.  I don't know if they are unless you look at the issues. I 
agree with most of what you write, but I think we need to represent 
the issues as clearly as possible if people are going to think 
critically about fighting for democracy, much less revolution.   Paul

 


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
> This is my article for upcoming People' Campaign NewsPaper
> 
> McGreevy For Governor, New Jersey Must Not Be Bushwhacked
> 
> By Keith Joseph
> 
> The People's Campaign, progressives, revolutionaries, and anyone
> interested in seeing the movement for democracy advance must support
> McGreevy this November in the race for governor in New Jersey. 
Either of
> the potential Republican candidates would be a disaster. Not only 
for
> New Jersey but also for the entire nation. The National Republican
> leadership has announced that the New Jersey gubernatorial election 
will
> be an opportunity for Bush's appointment as President of the United
> States to be legitimated. We can not allow this to happen. We must 
make
> the defeat of the Republicans in this election a protest against 
Bush's
> presidency as well as the electoral college that made it possible.
>      The Green Party has threatened to run a candidate despite the 
fact
> Nader's candidacy delivered the people into the bloody hands of 
Bush.
> They continue to posture as progressives yet the results of their
> efforts could not be more reactionary. They already assisted in 
giving
> us Bush and now they threaten to do the same in New Jersey.
>      Actively participating in McGreevy's campaign would allow the
> People's Campaign and progressive forces to build momentum for the 
local
> elections in New Brunswick and Newark in 2002. We will be able to
> register voters and also make the connections and build the networks
> necessary for our future efforts. The working class and democratic 
small
> businesses, students and professionals are obviously the 
constituency we
> are seeking, it should also be obvious that they are connected in 
some
> way to the Democratic Party. One reason for this is that they 
understand
> the lesser of two evil tactic very clearly. In this country most 
people
> are voting against a politician rather than for one. We too most 
utilize
> the lesser of two evil tactic, as the only way to build our 
strength,
> unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy. 
Clearly
> and openly uniting with working people and democratic middle classes 
in
> their opposition to Republican reaction at the national and 
statewide
> level is the only path to unity at the local level against Mayor 
Cahil
> in 2002.

----Original Message Follows----
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To: FRIENDSWBAINJ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Transcript of the Joint Statement read by Janice K 
Bryant
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 13:21:18 -0000
Transcript of the Joint Statement of the united movement for a free
Pacifica, read by WBAI's Janice K Bryant, Sunday, March 5, 2001
at the Pacifica National Board meeting in Houston, Texas.
==================================
My name is Janice K. Bryant. I'm a banned producer from WBAI
(applause and cheers) I was the line producer of Wake Up Call, the
morning show, for 6 years. The unpaid volunteer.
I'd like to make an aside. As far as the grievance procedures that
Ms. Wash spoke to, I know for a fact - this is not hearsay - I have
two grievances, alone. Sharan Harper's grievance has gone...she is
the fired producer of Wake Up Call...her grievance has gone to the
NLRB. And what they're...in February, as an unfair labor practice. It
was filed there by the union.
I have a statement here that I'm going to read, three minutes long.
It was put together by scores of people from accross the country,
from all five signal areas.
Fifty-two years ago, Lew Hill launched the Pacifica Network with a
vision. A vision of radio being used to foster peace, justice,
community and understanding among diverse peoples. 1949 was
an ominous moment in our history. Then as now, sinister forces
were on the rise in America. The Bomb had just been invented.
McCarthyism was gaining strength. A global empire was being
constructed by violence and deceit. Nonetheless, fearless, thought-
provoking exploration of the issues and ideas of the day was
Pacifica's guiding mission.
Today, we believe that mission is as relevant as ever. However, to
our deep dismay, that vision has been repreatedly betrayed in the
past ten years. Pacifica's National Board, and the bureaucracy it
spawned, has violated the trust of hundreds of thousands of loyal
listener-sponsors accross the country.
We denouce and condemn the following:
1) The firing and banning of hundreds of producers and volunteers.
2) The reduction of ethnic and cultural diversity of local programs.
3) The use of the gag rule to silence dissent.
4) The illegitimate nature of this Board: the presence of Board
members whose terms have expired (applause) and the illegal by-
laws changes of '97 that allowed the number of at-large directors
to greatly increase.
5) The complete and illegal exclusion of the local advisory boards
from the role they are supposed to play (applause) in Pacifica's
democratic governance.
6) Proposed new by-laws that would enable five Board members to
authorize the sale of a station
7) The sloppy management of finances and the lack of access to
Pacifica's financial records for the past six years.
8) The use of hostile, union-busting tactics at a network that has
always prided itself on its support of workers and their struggles.
9) The extension of the role of the Corporation for Public
Broadcasting in the finances and internal affairs of Pacifica.
10) The depoliticization of program content which abets the
rightward drift in US culture.
11) The recent hiring, for an unspecified sum of money, of a PR
firm that is being used to slander and defame Pacifica's critics.
12) The closure of KPFA for twenty-three days and for its armed
occupation during July-August 1999.
13} The Christmas Coup of WBAI that has led to the gutting of the
most successful, in terms of audience size, donations and
journalism awards, of Pacifica's five stations.
14) The extreme and unrelenting harassment and abuse of Amy
Goodman and the attempt to impose editorial control over her
award-winning news program.
15) The use of the race card...that's right, I said...the race card
to divide and pit people against each other.
(applause)
Several hundred people from around the country who love this
network have rallied to its defense in Houston this weekend. With
the exception of a half-dozen dissident Board members who
continue to defend Pacifica's democratic tradition, we found the
Board's behavior yesterday to be condescending and disingenuous.
Just now we've listened to you *seem* to regard our deep
concerns about has happened at WBAI in the past two weeks but
we're not really sure that you are listening to us. And it seems that
the Board's ruling majority is truly unable, or unwilling, to
understand the concerns of its growing legions of critics.
Our differences are irreconcilable. Irreconcilable. I'll say it
again, our differences are irreconcilable. The only thing we will
negotiate with you are the terms of your departure. (applause)
In the coming months we will be conducting an escalating
campaign of community organizing as well as massive, non-violent
direct action against the illegally seated Pacifica Board members.
We see around us a growing pro-democracy movement, both in
this country and around the world. (applause).
Pacifica is not a jukebox. It should be, and will be, at the
forefront of this movement, just as it has been at the forefront of
every major social justice movement in the past 50 years.
This can only begin to happen with your departure. We demand
that you step down and that the Pacifica Board be reconstituted
along democratic lines.
We say,...
(ALL) Resign Now!
(at this point the audience turns its back on the board at chants
"resign now!" then the chant morphs to "democracy now!" then
breaks into song "nananana nanana hey hey e-yyy goodbye"
nananana nananana hey hey eyy, resign"
(The singing crowd was ecorted out of the meeting room by
security guards)
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Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Building Bridges Pulled Off The Air
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 01:09:13 -0000

Friends: (report from Lyn Gerry)

Ken Nash and his guests on Building Bridges were pulled of the air
abruptly today by interim station manager Utrice Leid, who said
she believed that lies had been told by Ken and his guest, Rep.
Major Owens.

Ken opened the program by reading a statement condemning the
firing and banning of Mimi Rosenberg, his co-host, on Feb. 5. He
said that Mimi flatly denied the charges of violence made against
her by Utrice Leid, and that he believed that it was Utrice that
ought to apologize for her conduct since Dec 22, when Leid and
Pacifica Executive Director Bessie Wash changed the locks at
WBAI and a series of firings and bannings begun. At least 10
people have been banned from the station since that time.

Ken also said he refused to acknowledge the validity of Mimi's
banning, and that he felt obligated to report on what he described
as an injustice.

This lasted 2-3 minutes.

Following Ken's statement, Ken spoke with his phone guest Rep
Major Owens about WBAI, the labor rally Feb. 20, the banning of
Mimi and the general gagging of media in America, and the idea of
a people's media which has been exemplified by WBAI.

Owens asked, who owns the airwaves, and who owns a non-profit
institution? He says WBAI must be given a structure that fits it's
mission. As Rep. Owens is saying, "We must keep alive what
WBAI stands for, freedom of speech..." Utrice Leid is heard
entering the control room.

She said, "Major Owens, Major Owens".

Owens says"Hello" a few times, sounding confused as she is off
mike and there is a babble of voices in the background.

All sound stops at about six minutes into the program, and there is
dead air for a few seconds. When sound returns, Leid is
addressing Major Owens, "Hello, I'm here, " she says while Ken
Nash attempts to ID the show from off mike (or a turned off mike)

Then, dead air again, and music begins playing for about 6 min.

The engineer comes on about 12 min and introduces Utrice Leid,
after expressing support for her action.

Leid says that she "Just had to do something that she wished she
did not have to do" but had to "send a signal that enough is
enough."

She said that the program began "with what in effect is a false
statement and we have had enough of such false statements"
She went on to defend the management position, and her views.

For the rest of the hours she takes calls from listeners.

During the duration of her time on air, she insists that Rep.
Owens, Mumia Abu Jamal, Noam Chomsky, and others who have
made statements condemning the acts of WBAI/Pacifica have
been misinformed or duped. She mentions frequently that the truth
has not been told by critics of events at WBAI and accuses critics of
right-wing tactics, bad journalism.

Audio of the program is available on line
http://www.radio4all.net/proginfo.php?id=2719

We hope to have a transcript available soon.

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NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job 
Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 
New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
By SHARON WATERS
STAFF WRITER 
NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners by the state Department of Community Affairs. 
Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. 
Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. 
"I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as soon as possible," said Bright. 
HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build 198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at 238 George St. began last month. 
Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. 
"There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no housing to move into," said Bright. 
HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, director of the city's department of planning, community and economic development, has said. 
Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work with residents to help them find alternative housing. 
Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. 
Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. 
Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various issues, including its appointed school board. 
Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. 
Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with Bright. 
"We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said Executive Director Kevin Quince. 
"I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with him." 
Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's Republican Party. 
Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@thnt.com

Hi

There is a workshop on grantwriting coming up on March 19 6-9. There is room 
for a few people, if anyone is interested please call or email me.

Louise
545-7207
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March on Trenton to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality. I am working 
to sign on sponsors for the march we need $$, help getting out info, people 
to work on getting buses, people to get other organizations on board,...

I need people to immediately get in touch with their organizations to have 
them sponsor this march and get that info to me can_bush@... or call 
732.586.5535

Press conference in trenton on March 14 11:00-1:00 afternoon, all groups are 
welcome to write up press statements and attend - i am working to coordinate 
rides, we have plenty of room for any and all representatives to attend. If 
organizations cannot have a representative attend, I can still bring press 
statements.

Local organizing meeting is on attached flier, April 8 NB library.

get back to me soon.

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E-Mail me and let me know if this event is inappropriate for this list,but 
it is a great series that needs support particularly from those in the New 
Brunswick community...Doc Long and Barbara Horne will be featured readers 
for the Poetry
of Political Change Reading Series.
FREE OF CHARGE
Thursday, March 8, 1999
7:30 - 10 p.m.
Recto Verso Book Store (on 2 short blocks from New Brunswick train Station)
90 Albany Street
New Brunswick
Open readings before and after; and a brief discussion of the craft of
political poetry.

copies of "all of me or so it seems" by Barbara Horne and "Release" by Lyric 
will be available for purchase.

Both books can also be found at www.sincerity.cc
and questions Contact the bookstore, 732 247 2324

The Poetry of Political Change Series happens only a few times a year. It 
examines the concept of "political" poetry and provides both writers and 
readers an opportunity to interact their thoughts ideas and actions...

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if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will 
immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing 
authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco 
board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing 
authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is 
being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican 
stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black 
culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. 
anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of 
republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing 
beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." 
bright, you can't get that.

joe smith

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> 
wrote:
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job 
> Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 
> New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> By SHARON WATERS
> STAFF WRITER 
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran 
unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New 
Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners 
by the state Department of Community Affairs. 
> Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment 
and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. 
> Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to 
residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the 
reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. 
> "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as 
soon as possible," said Bright. 
> HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build 
198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding 
neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new 
construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at 
238 George St. began last month. 
> Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families 
who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families 
-- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John 
Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. 
> "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no 
housing to move into," said Bright. 
> HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement 
housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, 
the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any 
replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, 
director of the city's department of planning, community and economic 
development, has said. 
> Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work 
with residents to help them find alternative housing. 
> Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. 
> Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. 
Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six 
commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and 
one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. 
> Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's 
race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various 
issues, including its appointed school board. 
> Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. 
> Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with 
Bright. 
> "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that 
he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said 
Executive Director Kevin Quince. 
> "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the 
board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with 
him." 
> Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical 
engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's 
Republican Party. 
> Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...

if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will 
immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing 
authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco 
board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing 
authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is 
being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican 
stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black 
culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads. 
anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of 
republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing 
beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..." 
bright, you can't get that.

joe smith

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> 
wrote:
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job 
> Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01 
> New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> By SHARON WATERS
> STAFF WRITER 
> NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran 
unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New 
Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners 
by the state Department of Community Affairs. 
> Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment 
and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built. 
> Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to 
residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the 
reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing. 
> "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as 
soon as possible," said Bright. 
> HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build 
198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding 
neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new 
construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at 
238 George St. began last month. 
> Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families 
who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families 
-- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John 
Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month. 
> "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no 
housing to move into," said Bright. 
> HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement 
housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured, 
the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any 
replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson, 
director of the city's department of planning, community and economic 
development, has said. 
> Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work 
with residents to help them find alternative housing. 
> Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005. 
> Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A. 
Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six 
commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and 
one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill. 
> Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's 
race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various 
issues, including its appointed school board. 
> Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday. 
> Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with 
Bright. 
> "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that 
he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said 
Executive Director Kevin Quince. 
> "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the 
board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with 
him." 
> Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical 
engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's 
Republican Party. 
> Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...

We must start somewhere if not now when, if not frank who? Before you call 
someone a sucker just remember your the one who forgot to duck. See you on 
the 19th. Curtis L.


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I would like to learn more about grantwriting Please count me in.Curtis L.


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To all you art-housers looking for a stage in Newark, I recommend checking 
this out...Matt


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March 16
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:07:09 -0000



NJPAC's Sounds of the City is scheduled to run every Thursday from
May 31 to August 30 (5-9PM) this upcoming summer.

We are currently accepting submissions from artists wishing to
perform.  Artists must submit an entry form along with their
material. Entry forms will be available at our meeting or on NJPAC's
website, www.njpac.org. I am also able to fax or mail forms out if I
receive contact information. DEADLINE FOR ALL SUBMISSIONS IS FRIDAY,
MARCH 16!!!!!

Check us out at www.NJPAC.org - Left side of home page (Latest News),
click on Sounds of the City!!!!


Many thanks for your support,

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Subject: Artist Wins Latest Round in DC Federal Court by R Lederman
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 20:04:13 EST

Artist Wins Latest Round in DC Federal Court
by Robert Lederman

Federal Judge denies U.S. government’s appeal in Lederman v United States 
of
America et al 99-3359
[1]

Ever want to hand out a few leaflets in front of the US Capital? Standing on
the Capitol building’s public sidewalk alongside a few tourists and
Congressmen on a drizzling 3/11/97 afternoon I imagined myself to be in the
most protected spot in America for such activity. Was I ever wrong.

The idea was to give out leaflets about NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s 
attacks
on artists’ First Amendment rights during Arts Advocacy Day. This event
brings thousands of cultural advocates, museum directors and arts lawyers to
D.C. each year. [2] After the Capitol Police arrested me for not having a
permit I promised to return after changing the law.

My trial in the D.C. criminal court ended in an acquittal. Afterwards, a
Federal lawsuit was filed with the expert help of the Washington DC ACLU’s
Neal Goldfarb and Art Spitzer. On 3/14/2000 U.S. District Judge Richard W.
Roberts issued a ruling in my favor declaring the permit requirement
unconstitutional.

For a mere two days during the year 2000 it was legal to hand out leaflets 
in
front of the Capitol without a permit. Then the Capitol Police changed their
rules, again making it illegal. Shortly afterwards the Washington DC ACLU
filed an appeal.

On 3/5/2001 Judge Roberts issued his second ruling in the case, upholding 
his
previous ruling and declaring the revised regulations to also be
unconstitutional. The defendants are expected to appeal to the DC Circuit
Appeals Court next.

Reading my copy of the First Amendment, the issue seems clear. "Congress
shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting 
the
free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press,
or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
government for a redress of grievances". I don’t notice anything in those 
56
words about getting permission or a permit to hand out leaflets, do you?

Unfortunately our elected officials don’t seem to agree. We can’t have
citizens giving out leaflets now can we? What country do you think this is
America?

Here in NYC Mayor Giuliani is still up to his same old tricks. After losing
23 out of 23 First Amendment lawsuits in Federal Court what’s his latest
attempt to stop artistic freedom of speech? Crueliani wants to create a
decency commission to decide which art is appropriate for the Big Apple’s
world famous art museums.

If it seems strange that a man who married and divorced his cousin, cavorts
around town with his mistress at taxpayer expense, dumped his second wife on
live TV and wears specially-made ladies clothing for his frequent public 
drag
performances wants to create a decency commission - you’ve got to remember
this is New York City. If you’ve got the right connections, anything goes.

After being falsely arrested 40 times for holding up satirical portraits of
the Mayor while standing on a public street (and never being found guilty of
a single charge) I’ve come to appreciate the simple beauty of the First
Amendment.  Our founding fathers understood the urgent desire of those in
power to stop the little guy from ever having his say.

Will the government win it’s effort to stop terribly dangerous things like
leaflets and cardboard signs from being wielded by those lacking official
permission or corporate backing? Stay tuned brothers and sisters. If I’m 
not
mistaken future generations will wistfully look back on our present freedoms
as the golden age of free speech.

You gave a speech on a street corner, they will ask, awestruck. You handed
out a leaflet? You marched in a demonstration? You painted a satirical
picture of a politician, and they didn’t put you in a prison or have you
shot?

Let’s use our freedom of expression while we can. It’s still the most 
potent
weapon on earth.

Statement on the latest ruling by Washington DC ACLU’s, Neal Goldfarb:

"The regulation at issue in the lawsuit prohibits all demonstration activity
on large areas of the U.S. Capitol grounds, including the sidewalks adjacent
to the Capitol building. The decision by the U.S. District Court for the
District of Columbia accepted Mr. Lederman's argument that the regulation
violates the First Amendment. The court ruled that the portions of the
Capitol surrounding the Capitol building are a "public forum" in which the
government may not prohibit all free-speech activities. The court ruled that
the regulation was unconstitutional because it was not "narrowly tailored" 
to
protect the government's interest in maintaining security and preventing
congestion on the Capitol grounds.

If the government files an appeal, the appeal would be heard by the U.S.
Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit."

Contact numbers:
Neal Goldfarb (ACLU) (703) 412-6247
Art Spitzer (ACLU) (202) 457-0800
Robert Lederman (718) 743-3722

[1] Read the ruling:
U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia
Robert Lederman v. USA Civil Action No. 99-3359
Memorandum Opinion & Order filed March 5, 2001 by Judge Richard W. Roberts
http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/district-court-recent.html

[2] Arts Advocacy Day 2001 March 19-20 I plan to be there.

Washington Post article by Bill Miller 3/20/2000 on Lederman v United States
of America et al
http://sand.loper.org/~george/trends/2000/Mar/65.html

Lederman arrested at Brooklyn Museum
http://sand.loper.org/~george/trends/1999/Oct/97.html

Bush, Giuliani, Manhattan Institute, eugenics, West Nile Virus information
http://baltech.org/lederman/
http://baltech.org/lederman/spray/

Street artist information and artist lawsuits against Giuliani
http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html

Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T.
(Artists' Response to Illegal State Tactics)
ARTISTpres@...  (718) 743-3722





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I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?

Erric Z.
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  if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
  immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
  authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
  board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
  authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
  being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
  stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
  culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
  anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
  republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
  beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
  bright, you can't get that.

  joe smith

  --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
  wrote:
  > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
  > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
  > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
  > By SHARON WATERS
  > STAFF WRITER
  > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
  unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
  Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
  by the state Department of Community Affairs.
  > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
  and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
  > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
  residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
  reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
  > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
  soon as possible," said Bright.
  > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
  198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
  neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
  construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
  238 George St. began last month.
  > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
  who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
  -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
  Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
  > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
  housing to move into," said Bright.
  > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
  housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
  the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
  replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
  director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
  development, has said.
  > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
  with residents to help them find alternative housing.
  > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
  > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
  Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
  commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
  one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
  > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
  race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
  issues, including its appointed school board.
  > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
  > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
  Bright.
  > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
  he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
  Executive Director Kevin Quince.
  > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
  board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
  him."
  > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
  engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
  Republican Party.
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:

Hey, sorry I can't directly help out with this stuff at the moment, 
myself.  But I'm sort of in the mood to offer some comments on this 
article ...

I think Paul's remarks about keeping in mind your audience are well 
taken.  In many ways, "revolutionaries" and "progressives" is 
redundant -- these sorts of people already support the Campaign, and 
are typically already well informed on the issues you're talking about 
here.

You might want to dig into, or make more explicit, the "Support 
Democrats on the State and Federal level, but not on the municipal 
level" argument, since it's probably the most valuable point in your 
article.

Also, I think, at least, that the Nader comments are sort of 
gratuitous.  The fact is probably that nearly everyone who voted for 
Nader in the student precincts also voted for the Campaign.  Rather 
than calling the Greens veiled reactionaries, you should probably 
point out how incredibly close the last two gubernatorial elections 
were.  When we're talking a difference of, what, 17,000 votes, the 
ability of a third party to even siphon off a thousand votes becomes a 
matter of real concern.  

(Of course, if DiFrancesco wins the primary, you'll probably see some 
people who really like Schundler bolting for third parties, claiming 
that DiFrancesco is too much of a bland, ideologically inert 
dealmaker)

Anyway,

TTYL,

Jeremy




> This is my article for upcoming People' Campaign NewsPaper
> 
> McGreevy For Governor, New Jersey Must Not Be Bushwhacked
> 
> By Keith Joseph
> 
> The People's Campaign, progressives, revolutionaries, and anyone
> interested in seeing the movement for democracy advance must support
> McGreevy this November in the race for governor in New Jersey. 
Either of
> the potential Republican candidates would be a disaster. Not only 
for
> New Jersey but also for the entire nation. The National Republican
> leadership has announced that the New Jersey gubernatorial election 
will
> be an opportunity for Bush's appointment as President of the United
> States to be legitimated. We can not allow this to happen. We must 
make
> the defeat of the Republicans in this election a protest against 
Bush's
> presidency as well as the electoral college that made it possible.
>      The Green Party has threatened to run a candidate despite the 
fact
> Nader's candidacy delivered the people into the bloody hands of 
Bush.
> They continue to posture as progressives yet the results of their
> efforts could not be more reactionary. They already assisted in 
giving
> us Bush and now they threaten to do the same in New Jersey.
>      Actively participating in McGreevy's campaign would allow the
> People's Campaign and progressive forces to build momentum for the 
local
> elections in New Brunswick and Newark in 2002. We will be able to
> register voters and also make the connections and build the networks
> necessary for our future efforts. The working class and democratic 
small
> businesses, students and professionals are obviously the 
constituency we
> are seeking, it should also be obvious that they are connected in 
some
> way to the Democratic Party. One reason for this is that they 
understand
> the lesser of two evil tactic very clearly. In this country most 
people
> are voting against a politician rather than for one. We too most 
utilize
> the lesser of two evil tactic, as the only way to build our 
strength,
> unity, and organization so that we can actually win democracy. 
Clearly
> and openly uniting with working people and democratic middle classes 
in
> their opposition to Republican reaction at the national and 
statewide
> level is the only path to unity at the local level against Mayor 
Cahil
> in 2002.

This is a reply to Joe Smith's message. The
intemperate tone bespeaks its incoherent message and
failure of foresight  regarding an analytical
assessment of its application for the benefit of New
Brunswick. In other words, it's plain  stupid.

The cavelier statements of Smith immediately begin
upon the announcement that Frank has been appointed to
the NBHA. Before even attending one meeting, he is
attacked. Moreover, this headstrong assault comes
after Bright states 1) a desire "to raise the level or
services" to public housing residents and 2) a review
of "the real estate deals" from the perspective of a
Housing Authority Commissioner.  

It is without question that such an orientation is a
far cry from the theory and praxis of current and past
board members on the authority. Anyone with an iota of
perspective would welcome Bright --what is the
effective alternative people???-- on the authority.
Frank will be one of seven commissioners on a 7-member
board; it is the federal conduit for funds regarding
the town's "redevelopment"  and it's budget and
fiduciary responsibilities are obver $100 million per
year. 

Further, the board position is not paid. In other
words, Frank will be performing this position for
free.  Yet, he is attacked as lacking "any
integrity/community concern." Is this a statement from
a wingnut?

This is really sad, not only for its ignorant
hyperbole, but also for the fact that Frank recently
sought to assist Joe Smith when those famous  criminal
matters arose in regards to the November election and
the mayor's aide, Kevin Jones. Talk about
appreciation!!

As for the appointment of Beatrice Harris, and the
convoluted, inane and ignorant statement that she "is
better" than Frank, I take issue. For one, Frank is
not getting a paycheck from the machine. Historically,
this has not been the case in regards to Harris. She
worked for the city in the Division of Inspections. If
one wishes to not consider that as a leash, then we
could consider the fact, that if she is indeed
retired, she is linked by her governmental pension. 
Further, the fact that she was on the Housing
Authority and a city employee, speaks to a conflict of
interest issue, one which was a rather readily
apparent losing legal issue if challenged. It is not
surprising that when the city smelled an incipient
challenge, she retired.  

Despite this, Joe Smith attacks the only person to
actually "seize power" from the machine, one who has
done so in an important institutional way. The Mayor
may say rather euphamistically "he would not be my
first choice", but a more revealing statement is city
council member Blanquita Valenti's cry of "Oh dear
God!"

In order to become a Housing Authority Commissioner,
one has to submit a statement of interest and undergo
a background check, including financial and criminal
investigations.  This Frank did, and he "opened up his
books" for the GOVERNMENT to see. Obviously he passed.
New Brunswick can be better for it, but it helps if
there is a "united front" of support.

Instead, those with criminal records, make rather
criminal statements. Good luck with your legal efforts
and other related matters, Joe.  You speak with
thunder, but lack the lightning in the hand.

Brian Villa


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sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi 
whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling. he 
is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white supremist 
organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical funds 
for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not, release 
money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for 
around a year.

sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB 
police back in 91.

>From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
>
>I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
>
>Erric Z.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
>   To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>
>
>   if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
>   immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
>   authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
>   board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
>   authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
>   being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
>   stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
>   culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
>   anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
>   republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
>   beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
>   bright, you can't get that.
>
>   joe smith
>
>   --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
>   wrote:
>   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>   > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
>   > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
>   > By SHARON WATERS
>   > STAFF WRITER
>   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
>   unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
>   Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
>   by the state Department of Community Affairs.
>   > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
>   and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
>   > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
>   residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
>   reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
>   > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
>   soon as possible," said Bright.
>   > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
>   198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
>   neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
>   construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
>   238 George St. began last month.
>   > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
>   who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
>   -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
>   Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
>   > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
>   housing to move into," said Bright.
>   > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
>   housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
>   the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
>   replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
>   director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
>   development, has said.
>   > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
>   with residents to help them find alternative housing.
>   > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
>   > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
>   Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
>   commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
>   one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
>   > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
>   race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
>   issues, including its appointed school board.
>   > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
>   > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
>   Bright.
>   > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
>   he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
>   Executive Director Kevin Quince.
>   > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
>   board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
>   him."
>   > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
>   engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
>   Republican Party.
>   > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
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Thanks, the lack of punctuation and capitalization made it difficult to
determine that that was a proper name.

Erric Z.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: joseph smith [mailto:wacbush01@...]
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:30 PM
  To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job


  sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi
  whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling.
he
  is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white
supremist
  organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical
funds
  for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not,
release
  money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for
  around a year.

  sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB
  police back in 91.

  >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
  >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
  >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
  >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
  >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
  >
  >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
  >
  >Erric Z.
  >   -----Original Message-----
  >   From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
  >   Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
  >   To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
  >
  >
  >   if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
  >   immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
  >   authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
  >   board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
  >   authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
  >   being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
  >   stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
  >   culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
  >   anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
  >   republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
  >   beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
  >   bright, you can't get that.
  >
  >   joe smith
  >
  >   --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
  >   wrote:
  >   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
  >   > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
  >   > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
  >   > By SHARON WATERS
  >   > STAFF WRITER
  >   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
  >   unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
  >   Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
  >   by the state Department of Community Affairs.
  >   > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
  >   and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
  >   > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
  >   residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
  >   reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
  >   > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
  >   soon as possible," said Bright.
  >   > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
  >   198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
  >   neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
  >   construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
  >   238 George St. began last month.
  >   > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
  >   who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
  >   -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
  >   Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
  >   > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
  >   housing to move into," said Bright.
  >   > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
  >   housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
  >   the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
  >   replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
  >   director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
  >   development, has said.
  >   > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
  >   with residents to help them find alternative housing.
  >   > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
  >   > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
  >   Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
  >   commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
  >   one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
  >   > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
  >   race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
  >   issues, including its appointed school board.
  >   > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
  >   > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
  >   Bright.
  >   > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
  >   he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
  >   Executive Director Kevin Quince.
  >   > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
  >   board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
  >   him."
  >   > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
  >   engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
  >   Republican Party.
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viya - what is that you're talking about. this appointment is of 
tremendous danger to the future community of NB. we do not advance our 
democratic demands of community control by having REPUBLICANS, how do 
you say, "seize power". didn't you learn that when you learned to write 
so unincoherently? bright frank has a primary agenda to build up a 
republican stranglehold, his statements regarding the housing 
authority, and an elected school board for that matter, only appeal to 
the people because at this time he has to. bf does not care for the 
tenants of public housing, anything republicans touch turns to 
tombstone - have you no eyes in your head viya? 

let alone the selection is against federal law which mandates that  
residents in public housing have representation on housing authority.

your's, and all, personal vendeta against current city machine must be 
understood as secondary to the rise of republican control over the 
institutions that govern our lives.

joe smith



--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., b v <villavoice@y...> wrote:
> This is a reply to Joe Smith's message. The
> intemperate tone bespeaks its incoherent message and
> failure of foresight  regarding an analytical
> assessment of its application for the benefit of New
> Brunswick. In other words, it's plain  stupid.
> 
> The cavelier statements of Smith immediately begin
> upon the announcement that Frank has been appointed to
> the NBHA. Before even attending one meeting, he is
> attacked. Moreover, this headstrong assault comes
> after Bright states 1) a desire "to raise the level or
> services" to public housing residents and 2) a review
> of "the real estate deals" from the perspective of a
> Housing Authority Commissioner.  
> 
> It is without question that such an orientation is a
> far cry from the theory and praxis of current and past
> board members on the authority. Anyone with an iota of
> perspective would welcome Bright --what is the
> effective alternative people???-- on the authority.
> Frank will be one of seven commissioners on a 7-member
> board; it is the federal conduit for funds regarding
> the town's "redevelopment"  and it's budget and
> fiduciary responsibilities are obver $100 million per
> year. 
> 
> Further, the board position is not paid. In other
> words, Frank will be performing this position for
> free.  Yet, he is attacked as lacking "any
> integrity/community concern." Is this a statement from
> a wingnut?
> 
> This is really sad, not only for its ignorant
> hyperbole, but also for the fact that Frank recently
> sought to assist Joe Smith when those famous  criminal
> matters arose in regards to the November election and
> the mayor's aide, Kevin Jones. Talk about
> appreciation!!
> 
> As for the appointment of Beatrice Harris, and the
> convoluted, inane and ignorant statement that she "is
> better" than Frank, I take issue. For one, Frank is
> not getting a paycheck from the machine. Historically,
> this has not been the case in regards to Harris. She
> worked for the city in the Division of Inspections. If
> one wishes to not consider that as a leash, then we
> could consider the fact, that if she is indeed
> retired, she is linked by her governmental pension. 
> Further, the fact that she was on the Housing
> Authority and a city employee, speaks to a conflict of
> interest issue, one which was a rather readily
> apparent losing legal issue if challenged. It is not
> surprising that when the city smelled an incipient
> challenge, she retired.  
> 
> Despite this, Joe Smith attacks the only person to
> actually "seize power" from the machine, one who has
> done so in an important institutional way. The Mayor
> may say rather euphamistically "he would not be my
> first choice", but a more revealing statement is city
> council member Blanquita Valenti's cry of "Oh dear
> God!"
> 
> In order to become a Housing Authority Commissioner,
> one has to submit a statement of interest and undergo
> a background check, including financial and criminal
> investigations.  This Frank did, and he "opened up his
> books" for the GOVERNMENT to see. Obviously he passed.
> New Brunswick can be better for it, but it helps if
> there is a "united front" of support.
> 
> Instead, those with criminal records, make rather
> criminal statements. Good luck with your legal efforts
> and other related matters, Joe.  You speak with
> thunder, but lack the lightning in the hand.
> 
> Brian Villa
> 
> 
> joe smith
> 
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el curtis - project tenant george berry has put foward that the tenants 
of public housing vote for their own representative in accordance with 
federal law. community control over housing!

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., citruswar@a... wrote:
> We must start somewhere if not now when, if not frank who? Before you call 
> someone a sucker just remember your the one who forgot to duck. See you on 
> the 19th. Curtis L.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:

It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First 
Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting the 
Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used to be a 
college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local 
spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the 
back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I heard 
was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police 
killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to 
benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist Church 
somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin 
"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many 
occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such as 
Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and 
buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into 
the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote.  In 
grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part because 
the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition Against 
Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams in 
1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for years.  
Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political & 
social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by 
condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy 
toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle over 
particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse internal 
tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this started to become 
more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black 
Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank 
Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed 
Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with 
local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most recently 
introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black, 
middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has led him to 
denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself 
has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.

Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of 
weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries' 
apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant 
contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the 
racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all of 
which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the 
community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure must 
only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like 
religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of 
isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker 
Soaries".

Matthew Smith






----Original Message Follows----
From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500

I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?

Erric Z.
   -----Original Message-----
   From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
   Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
   To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job


   if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
   immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
   authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
   board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
   authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
   being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
   stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
   culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
   anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
   republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
   beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
   bright, you can't get that.

   joe smith

   --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
   wrote:
   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
   > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
   > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
   > By SHARON WATERS
   > STAFF WRITER
   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
   unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
   Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
   by the state Department of Community Affairs.
   > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
   and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
   > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
   residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
   reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
   > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
   soon as possible," said Bright.
   > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
   198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
   neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
   construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
   238 George St. began last month.
   > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
   who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
   -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
   Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
   > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
   housing to move into," said Bright.
   > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
   housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
   the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
   replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
   director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
   development, has said.
   > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
   with residents to help them find alternative housing.
   > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
   > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
   Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
   commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
   one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
   > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
   race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
   issues, including its appointed school board.
   > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
   > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
   Bright.
   > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
   he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
   Executive Director Kevin Quince.
   > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
   board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
   him."
   > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
   engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
   Republican Party.
   > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...


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just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space rather 
than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be on 
steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth 
jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then let's 
again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican party 
and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no 
doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you 
wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control by 
BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning 
candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most 
revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the 
organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed 
question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. let's 
weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing 
some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps and 
bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).

you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like to 
see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than 
none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you 
know so much.

njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with self-criticism, 
how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long 
after that before working to organize community base?

when is the production meeting?

joe smith


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
>
>Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
>
>It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First
>Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting 
>the
>Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used to be a
>college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local
>spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the
>back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I 
>heard
>was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police
>killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to
>benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist 
>Church
>somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin
>"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many
>occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such 
>as
>Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and
>buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into
>the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote.  In
>grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part 
>because
>the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition Against
>Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams in
>1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for years.
>Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political &
>social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by
>condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy
>toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle over
>particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse internal
>tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this started to 
>become
>more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
>Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank
>Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed
>Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with
>local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most 
>recently
>introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black,
>middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has led him to
>denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself
>has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
>
>Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of
>weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries'
>apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant
>contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the
>racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all 
>of
>which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the
>community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure must
>only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like
>religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of
>isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker
>Soaries".
>
>Matthew Smith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
>
>I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
>
>Erric Z.
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
>    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
>    To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>
>
>    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
>    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
>    authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
>    board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
>    authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
>    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
>    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
>    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
>    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
>    republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
>    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
>    bright, you can't get that.
>
>    joe smith
>
>    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
>    wrote:
>    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
>    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
>    > By SHARON WATERS
>    > STAFF WRITER
>    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
>    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
>    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
>    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
>    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
>    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
>    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
>    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
>    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
>    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
>    soon as possible," said Bright.
>    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
>    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
>    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
>    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
>    238 George St. began last month.
>    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
>    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
>    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
>    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
>    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
>    housing to move into," said Bright.
>    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
>    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
>    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
>    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
>    director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
>    development, has said.
>    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
>    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
>    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
>    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
>    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
>    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
>    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
>    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
>    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
>    issues, including its appointed school board.
>    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
>    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
>    Bright.
>    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
>    he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
>    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
>    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
>    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
>    him."
>    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
>    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
>    Republican Party.
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>From: FBright123@...
>To: wacbush01@...
>Subject: Re: NBHA
>Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 23:55:51 EST
>
>
>Dear Joe,
>
>I am sorry you feel threatened. Progress is a gradual process.
>
>Peace,
>
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i hear sucker got kidnapped and beaten by people who became 
untollerable of him bein a rat

the place where you are furthest off is that brightsucker are not 
"allying themselves with local left", rather and get this - they are 
exploiting local left.

joe


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
> 
> It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the 
First 
> Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after 
accepting the 
> Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used to be 
a 
> college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a 
local 
> spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to 
the 
> back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last 
I heard 
> was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this 
police 
> killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and 
to 
> benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First 
Baptist Church 
> somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin 
> "Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on 
many 
> occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, 
such as 
> Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black 
vote and 
> buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed 
Bush2 into 
> the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote. 
 In 
> grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part 
because 
> the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition 
Against 
> Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy 
Adams in 
> 1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for 
years.  
> Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political 
& 
> social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by 
> condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" 
policy 
> toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to 
struggle over 
> particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse 
internal 
> tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this started 
to become 
> more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black 
> Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of the 
Frank 
> Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, 
bloody-handed 
> Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, 
with 
> local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most 
recently 
> introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly 
black, 
> middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has led 
him to 
> denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he 
himself 
> has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
> 
> Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter 
of 
> weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against 
Soaries' 
> apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the 
inherant 
> contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and 
the 
> racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger 
enemy); all of 
> which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in 
the 
> community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that 
impure must 
> only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind 
of like 
> religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job 
of 
> isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence 
"Sucker 
> Soaries".
> 
> Matthew Smith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...>
> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...>
> Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
> 
> I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
> 
> Erric Z.
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...]
>    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
>    To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> 
> 
>    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
>    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
>    authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
>    board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
>    authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright 
is
>    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
>    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
>    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for 
crossroads.
>    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
>    republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
>    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist 
apointed..."
>    bright, you can't get that.
> 
>    joe smith
> 
>    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" 
<znowakowski@u...>
>    wrote:
>    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
>    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
>    > By SHARON WATERS
>    > STAFF WRITER
>    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who 
ran
>    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
>    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of 
commissioners
>    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
>    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's 
redevelopment
>    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink 
built.
>    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
>    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
>    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
>    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get 
completed as
>    soon as possible," said Bright.
>    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and 
build
>    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
>    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
>    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units 
at
>    238 George St. began last month.
>    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 
families
>    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining 
families
>    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator 
John
>    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
>    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
>    housing to move into," said Bright.
>    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
>    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process 
matured,
>    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
>    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
>    director of the city's department of planning, community and 
economic
>    development, has said.
>    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to 
work
>    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
>    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
>    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
>    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
>    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council 
and
>    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
>    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 
mayor's
>    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on 
various
>    issues, including its appointed school board.
>    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
>    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working 
with
>    Bright.
>    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect 
that
>    he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," 
said
>    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
>    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said 
the
>    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate 
with
>    him."
>    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in 
mechanical
>    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
>    Republican Party.
>    > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
> 
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the nj republican state dept. of community affairs' appointment of nb 
republican party chair Dim Liar to the nb housing authority board, is 
more than a violation of federal law requiring resident representation 
on the board. &more than kicking the ousted projects residents while 
theyre down. 

it is a republican party gubenatorial campaign maneuver to establish a 
republican stronghold, with skunk soaries & protege ("we have to start 
somewhere...") republican ClassWarrin,$r., in mcgreasy's backyard. 

the social democratic liberal posturing which put bush2 in the white 
house locally put dim liar in the housing authority, by boosting him & 
the nb republican party.

at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth 
activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final 
executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy & 
socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than 
peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar 
(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected 
board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).

hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...), 
and possible victory.

rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist 
 as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar 
pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.

rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize 
power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power 
out of the "peoples'" campaign.

the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right 
from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and isolated.

dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george 
berry's call for elected resident representation.

all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining 
projects residents (court hearing is 5april).

skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated 
 by the state legislature to crossroads theater.

protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party 
chair dim liar.

republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
revolutionaries unite! with the people.

unite against imperialism & patriarchy!

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I really don't want this to turn into a forum for a back and forth between 
the Smith brothers, but Joe, be real...BOL/SWORD/CDRP (or whatever pseudonym 
you guys decide to come up with next to describe the same few people) made a 
really bad judgement call attacking Curtis a minute after the public 
convention where he was nominated to run for City Council.  You've treated 
an incredibly dedicated community organizer like he's some blood sucking 
pariah, like the main enemy, because of one statement that appeared in the 
press, while totally ignoring his his entire track record.  Now, instead of 
recognizing it as the mistake it was you guys are falling over yourselves to 
justify it, and its really just coming off as mean spirited zealousness, and 
not in the least revolutionary or unifying.  That's why BOL was ejected from 
the campaign. Period.  You asked me to nominate you back into the Peoples' 
Campaign, and my response was what?...that you should be asking Curtis 
himself because he's the one you guys need to be working it out with since 
you've been dragging his name through the mud.  (I later found out that 
Louise told you the same thing.) I figured, if Curtis will find it in him to 
support you guys coming back in, then I would definitely support it too.  
Next thing I read is another series of verbal assaults coming from 
BOL/SWORD/CDRP members aimed at Curtis, so I guess that's your decision, and 
I think that you're just digging the hole deeper.  And this alone puts this 
self-promoting habit you guys have picked up as claiming heir to the 
"most-revolutionary" throne in a really disengenuous light...

And did you even read my entire letter about Soaries, or just enough to 
conclude that I, too, have violated your standard for purity, like sin.  So, 
why keep asking about a "production meeting", presumably for Unity & 
Struggle Newspaper...because it don't happen by declaration, like a machine 
(as in, mechanical one-sided application of theory, forgetting to put 
"Unity" first.)  Till then, I would say call your own damn meeting & see if 
Amiri Baraka shows up. Note: I tried to set your ideological leader up with 
a meeting with Baraka to resolve some unresolved differences between them, 
and know what?...He threw that in my face too...so PRODUCTION is secondary 
to the principle aspect which is TRANSFORMATION OF THE 
CONSCIOUSNESS...CHANGING PEOPLES MINDS...& not through coersion or 
intimidation or public ridicule...but we've been down this road 
before...Later bro, Matthew




----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500

just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space rather
than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be on
steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth
jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then let's
again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican party
and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no
doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you
wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control by
BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning
candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most
revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the
organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed
question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. let's
weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing
some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps and
bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).

you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like to
see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than
none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you
know so much.

njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with self-criticism,
how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long
after that before working to organize community base?

when is the production meeting?

joe smith


 >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
 >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
 >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
 >
 >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
 >
 >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First
 >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting
 >the
 >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used to be a
 >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local
 >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the
 >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I
 >heard
 >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this police
 >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to
 >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist
 >Church
 >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin
 >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many
 >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, such
 >as
 >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote and
 >buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed Bush2 into
 >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote.  In
 >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part
 >because
 >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition 
Against
 >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams 
in
 >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for 
years.
 >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political &
 >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by
 >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" policy
 >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle 
over
 >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse 
internal
 >tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this started to
 >become
 >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
 >Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of the Frank
 >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed
 >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, with
 >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most
 >recently
 >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black,
 >middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has led him to
 >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he himself
 >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
 >
 >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of
 >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries'
 >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant
 >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the
 >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); all
 >of
 >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the
 >community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure 
must
 >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of like
 >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of
 >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence "Sucker
 >Soaries".
 >
 >Matthew Smith
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >----Original Message Follows----
 >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
 >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
 >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
 >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
 >
 >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
 >
 >Erric Z.
 >    -----Original Message-----
 >    From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
 >    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
 >    To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
 >
 >
 >    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
 >    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
 >    authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
 >    board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
 >    authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
 >    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
 >    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
 >    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
 >    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
 >    republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
 >    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
 >    bright, you can't get that.
 >
 >    joe smith
 >
 >    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
 >    wrote:
 >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
 >    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
 >    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
 >    > By SHARON WATERS
 >    > STAFF WRITER
 >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
 >    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
 >    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
 >    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
 >    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
 >    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
 >    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
 >    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
 >    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
 >    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
 >    soon as possible," said Bright.
 >    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
 >    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
 >    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
 >    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
 >    238 George St. began last month.
 >    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
 >    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
 >    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
 >    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
 >    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
 >    housing to move into," said Bright.
 >    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
 >    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
 >    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
 >    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
 >    director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
 >    development, has said.
 >    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
 >    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
 >    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
 >    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
 >    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
 >    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
 >    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
 >    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
 >    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
 >    issues, including its appointed school board.
 >    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
 >    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
 >    Bright.
 >    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
 >    he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
 >    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
 >    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
 >    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
 >    him."
 >    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
 >    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
 >    Republican Party.
 >    > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
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Brian- Before getting into any particulars of this debate regarding Frank's 
appointment, it needs to be stated that your gratuitous jab at Joe that 
"those with criminal records, make rather criminal statements" is way out of 
line and really undermines the legitamacy of your own position.  That said, 
I think that it is fair to question why an actual resident of the NB Homes 
was not appointed to this position--if there is a written clause that states 
that residents must have representation on the housing board, than how did 
Frank get the job?  & if he insists on staying, should we not be concerned 
that his "Republican-ness" won't eventually distract him from his democratic 
responsibilities to the people of NB?

Matthew Smith


----Original Message Follows----
From: b v <villavoice@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
CC: fbright123@..., villavoice@...
Subject: [nbpc] Reply to Joe Smith
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:09:27 -0800 (PST)

This is a reply to Joe Smith's message. The
intemperate tone bespeaks its incoherent message and
failure of foresight  regarding an analytical
assessment of its application for the benefit of New
Brunswick. In other words, it's plain  stupid.

The cavelier statements of Smith immediately begin
upon the announcement that Frank has been appointed to
the NBHA. Before even attending one meeting, he is
attacked. Moreover, this headstrong assault comes
after Bright states 1) a desire "to raise the level or
services" to public housing residents and 2) a review
of "the real estate deals" from the perspective of a
Housing Authority Commissioner.

It is without question that such an orientation is a
far cry from the theory and praxis of current and past
board members on the authority. Anyone with an iota of
perspective would welcome Bright --what is the
effective alternative people???-- on the authority.
Frank will be one of seven commissioners on a 7-member
board; it is the federal conduit for funds regarding
the town's "redevelopment"  and it's budget and
fiduciary responsibilities are obver $100 million per
year.

Further, the board position is not paid. In other
words, Frank will be performing this position for
free.  Yet, he is attacked as lacking "any
integrity/community concern." Is this a statement from
a wingnut?

This is really sad, not only for its ignorant
hyperbole, but also for the fact that Frank recently
sought to assist Joe Smith when those famous  criminal
matters arose in regards to the November election and
the mayor's aide, Kevin Jones. Talk about
appreciation!!

As for the appointment of Beatrice Harris, and the
convoluted, inane and ignorant statement that she "is
better" than Frank, I take issue. For one, Frank is
not getting a paycheck from the machine. Historically,
this has not been the case in regards to Harris. She
worked for the city in the Division of Inspections. If
one wishes to not consider that as a leash, then we
could consider the fact, that if she is indeed
retired, she is linked by her governmental pension.
Further, the fact that she was on the Housing
Authority and a city employee, speaks to a conflict of
interest issue, one which was a rather readily
apparent losing legal issue if challenged. It is not
surprising that when the city smelled an incipient
challenge, she retired.

Despite this, Joe Smith attacks the only person to
actually "seize power" from the machine, one who has
done so in an important institutional way. The Mayor
may say rather euphamistically "he would not be my
first choice", but a more revealing statement is city
council member Blanquita Valenti's cry of "Oh dear
God!"

In order to become a Housing Authority Commissioner,
one has to submit a statement of interest and undergo
a background check, including financial and criminal
investigations.  This Frank did, and he "opened up his
books" for the GOVERNMENT to see. Obviously he passed.
New Brunswick can be better for it, but it helps if
there is a "united front" of support.

. Good luck with your legal efforts
and other related matters, Joe.  You speak with
thunder, but lack the lightning in the hand.

Brian Villa


joe smith

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For anyone just checking out this list, Joe Smith was voted out of this 
democratic campaign by the steering committee after distributing a signed 
letter which contained baseless attacks on one of our candidates and 
Reverend Soaries.  By no means does Joe Smith represent the views of the 
People's Campaign as a whole. I don't think I need to ask permission to say 
this. This is for purposes of demarcation. Paul McGee, NJFO


>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:30:02 -0500
>
>sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi
>whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling. 
>he
>is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white 
>supremist
>organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical 
>funds
>for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not, release
>money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for
>around a year.
>
>sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB
>police back in 91.
>
> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
> >
> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
> >
> >Erric Z.
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
> >   Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
> >   To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> >
> >
> >   if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
> >   immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
> >   authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
> >   board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
> >   authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
> >   being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
> >   stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
> >   culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
> >   anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
> >   republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
> >   beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist apointed..."
> >   bright, you can't get that.
> >
> >   joe smith
> >
> >   --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
> >   wrote:
> >   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> >   > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> >   > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> >   > By SHARON WATERS
> >   > STAFF WRITER
> >   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
> >   unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
> >   Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
> >   by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> >   > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
> >   and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
> >   > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
> >   residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
> >   reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> >   > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed as
> >   soon as possible," said Bright.
> >   > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
> >   198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
> >   neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
> >   construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
> >   238 George St. began last month.
> >   > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 families
> >   who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining families
> >   -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
> >   Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> >   > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
> >   housing to move into," said Bright.
> >   > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
> >   housing before all residents had to move. But as the process matured,
> >   the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
> >   replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
> >   director of the city's department of planning, community and economic
> >   development, has said.
> >   > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
> >   with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> >   > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
> >   > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
> >   Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
> >   commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council and
> >   one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> >   > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
> >   race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
> >   issues, including its appointed school board.
> >   > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> >   > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
> >   Bright.
> >   > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
> >   he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
> >   Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> >   > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
> >   board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
> >   him."
> >   > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
> >   engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
> >   Republican Party.
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you missed a couple of things...


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 05:43:26
>
>I really don't want this to turn into a forum for a back and forth between
>the Smith brothers, but Joe, be real...BOL/SWORD/CDRP (or whatever 
>pseudonym
>you guys decide to come up with next to describe the same few people) made 
>a
>really bad judgement call attacking Curtis a minute after the public
>convention where he was nominated to run for City Council.  You've treated
>an incredibly dedicated community organizer like he's some blood sucking
>pariah, like the main enemy, because of one statement that appeared in the
>press, while totally ignoring his his entire track record.  Now, instead of
>recognizing it as the mistake it was you guys are falling over yourselves 
>to
>justify it, and its really just coming off as mean spirited zealousness, 
>and
>not in the least revolutionary or unifying.  That's why BOL was ejected 
>from
>the campaign. Period.  You asked me to nominate you back into the Peoples'
>Campaign, and my response was what?...that you should be asking Curtis
>himself because he's the one you guys need to be working it out with since
>you've been dragging his name through the mud.  (I later found out that
>Louise told you the same thing.) I figured, if Curtis will find it in him 
>to
>support you guys coming back in, then I would definitely support it too.
>Next thing I read is another series of verbal assaults coming from
>BOL/SWORD/CDRP members aimed at Curtis, so I guess that's your decision, 
>and
>I think that you're just digging the hole deeper.  And this alone puts this
>self-promoting habit you guys have picked up as claiming heir to the
>"most-revolutionary" throne in a really disengenuous light...
>
>And did you even read my entire letter about Soaries, or just enough to
>conclude that I, too, have violated your standard for purity, like sin.  
>So,
>why keep asking about a "production meeting", presumably for Unity &
>Struggle Newspaper...because it don't happen by declaration, like a machine
>(as in, mechanical one-sided application of theory, forgetting to put
>"Unity" first.)  Till then, I would say call your own damn meeting & see if
>Amiri Baraka shows up. Note: I tried to set your ideological leader up with
>a meeting with Baraka to resolve some unresolved differences between them,
>and know what?...He threw that in my face too...so PRODUCTION is secondary
>to the principle aspect which is TRANSFORMATION OF THE
>CONSCIOUSNESS...CHANGING PEOPLES MINDS...& not through coersion or
>intimidation or public ridicule...but we've been down this road
>before...Later bro, Matthew
>
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500
>
>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space rather
>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be on
>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth
>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then 
>let's
>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican 
>party
>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no
>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you
>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control 
>by
>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning
>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most
>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the
>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed
>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. 
>let's
>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing
>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps 
>and
>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).
>
>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like to
>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than
>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you
>know so much.
>
>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with self-criticism,
>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long
>after that before working to organize community base?
>
>when is the production meeting?
>
>joe smith
>
>
>  >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>  >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>  >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>  >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
>  >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
>  >
>  >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
>  >
>  >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First
>  >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting
>  >the
>  >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used to be a
>  >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local
>  >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the
>  >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I
>  >heard
>  >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this 
>police
>  >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to
>  >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist
>  >Church
>  >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin
>  >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many
>  >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, 
>such
>  >as
>  >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote 
>and
>  >buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed Bush2 
>into
>  >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote.  In
>  >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part
>  >because
>  >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition
>Against
>  >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams
>in
>  >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for
>years.
>  >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political &
>  >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by
>  >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" 
>policy
>  >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle
>over
>  >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse
>internal
>  >tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this started to
>  >become
>  >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
>  >Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of the 
>Frank
>  >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed
>  >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, 
>with
>  >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most
>  >recently
>  >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black,
>  >middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has led him 
>to
>  >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he 
>himself
>  >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
>  >
>  >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of
>  >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries'
>  >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant
>  >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the
>  >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); 
>all
>  >of
>  >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the
>  >community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure
>must
>  >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of 
>like
>  >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of
>  >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence 
>"Sucker
>  >Soaries".
>  >
>  >Matthew Smith
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >----Original Message Follows----
>  >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
>  >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>  >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>  >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>  >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
>  >
>  >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
>  >
>  >Erric Z.
>  >    -----Original Message-----
>  >    From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
>  >    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
>  >    To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>  >    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>  >
>  >
>  >    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
>  >    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
>  >    authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
>  >    board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
>  >    authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
>  >    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
>  >    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
>  >    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
>  >    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
>  >    republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
>  >    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist 
>apointed..."
>  >    bright, you can't get that.
>  >
>  >    joe smith
>  >
>  >    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
>  >    wrote:
>  >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>  >    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
>  >    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
>  >    > By SHARON WATERS
>  >    > STAFF WRITER
>  >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
>  >    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
>  >    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
>  >    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
>  >    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
>  >    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
>  >    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
>  >    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
>  >    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
>  >    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed 
>as
>  >    soon as possible," said Bright.
>  >    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
>  >    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
>  >    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
>  >    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
>  >    238 George St. began last month.
>  >    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 
>families
>  >    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining 
>families
>  >    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
>  >    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
>  >    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
>  >    housing to move into," said Bright.
>  >    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
>  >    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process 
>matured,
>  >    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
>  >    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
>  >    director of the city's department of planning, community and 
>economic
>  >    development, has said.
>  >    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
>  >    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
>  >    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
>  >    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
>  >    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
>  >    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council 
>and
>  >    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
>  >    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
>  >    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
>  >    issues, including its appointed school board.
>  >    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
>  >    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
>  >    Bright.
>  >    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
>  >    he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
>  >    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
>  >    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
>  >    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
>  >    him."
>  >    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
>  >    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
>  >    Republican Party.
>  >    > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
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curtis warren violated platform of "community control" in statements made to 
reporters that he stands by. stating he is willing to work with J&J. soaries 
is the secretary of state, appointed by nazi whitman, and is with-holding 
necessary funds for crossroads threatre - let alone his historical and day 
by day sell-out of the people of NB.



>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] On fringe opinions
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 18:54:26 -0000
>
>For anyone just checking out this list, Joe Smith was voted out of this
>democratic campaign by the steering committee after distributing a signed
>letter which contained baseless attacks on one of our candidates and
>Reverend Soaries.  By no means does Joe Smith represent the views of the
>People's Campaign as a whole. I don't think I need to ask permission to say
>this. This is for purposes of demarcation. Paul McGee, NJFO
>
>
> >From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:30:02 -0500
> >
> >sucker soaries is the secretary of state in NJ. he was appointed by nazi
> >whitman immediately following the media explosion about racist profiling.
> >he
> >is an afro-american that attempts to act as a shield for the white
> >supremist
> >organization known as NJ government. he has been with-holding critical
> >funds
> >for crossroads threatre for some time now, says he may, or may not, 
>release
> >money in june for financially troubled threatre that has been closed for
> >around a year.
> >
> >sucker made his claim to fame when shawn potts was shot in the back by NB
> >police back in 91.
> >
> > >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
> > >
> > >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
> > >
> > >Erric Z.
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
> > >   Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
> > >   To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> > >
> > >
> > >   if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
> > >   immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
> > >   authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
> > >   board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
> > >   authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
> > >   being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
> > >   stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
> > >   culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
> > >   anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
> > >   republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
> > >   beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist 
>apointed..."
> > >   bright, you can't get that.
> > >
> > >   joe smith
> > >
> > >   --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
> > >   wrote:
> > >   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> > >   > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> > >   > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> > >   > By SHARON WATERS
> > >   > STAFF WRITER
> > >   > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
> > >   unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
> > >   Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
> > >   by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> > >   > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
> > >   and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
> > >   > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
> > >   residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
> > >   reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> > >   > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed 
>as
> > >   soon as possible," said Bright.
> > >   > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
> > >   198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
> > >   neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
> > >   construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
> > >   238 George St. began last month.
> > >   > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 
>families
> > >   who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining 
>families
> > >   -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
> > >   Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> > >   > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
> > >   housing to move into," said Bright.
> > >   > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
> > >   housing before all residents had to move. But as the process 
>matured,
> > >   the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
> > >   replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
> > >   director of the city's department of planning, community and 
>economic
> > >   development, has said.
> > >   > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
> > >   with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> > >   > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
> > >   > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
> > >   Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
> > >   commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council 
>and
> > >   one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> > >   > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
> > >   race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
> > >   issues, including its appointed school board.
> > >   > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> > >   > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
> > >   Bright.
> > >   > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
> > >   he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
> > >   Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> > >   > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
> > >   board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
> > >   him."
> > >   > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
> > >   engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
> > >   Republican Party.
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>Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul
>
>
>>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@...>
>>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
>>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500
>>
>>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office space 
>>rather
>>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright to be 
>>on
>>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community youth
>>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. then 
>>let's
>>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the republican 
>>party
>>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, which no
>>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such position. you
>>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community control 
>>by
>>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after winning
>>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the most
>>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to the
>>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the board of ed
>>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one more. 
>>let's
>>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election vs. doing
>>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at leaps 
>>and
>>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).
>>
>>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and i'd like 
>>to
>>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is better than
>>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. now you
>>know so much.
>>
>>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with 
>>self-criticism,
>>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how long
>>after that before working to organize community base?
>>
>>when is the production meeting?
>>
>>joe smith
>>
>>
>> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
>> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
>> >
>> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
>> >
>> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of the First
>> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after accepting
>> >the
>> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used to be a
>> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained a local
>> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a bullet to the
>> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who last I
>> >heard
>> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing this 
>>police
>> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain and to
>> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First Baptist
>> >Church
>> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the NB/Franklin
>> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen on many
>> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around town, 
>>such
>> >as
>> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the black vote 
>>and
>> >buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed Bush2 
>>into
>> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black vote.  In
>> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in part
>> >because
>> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB Coalition 
>>Against
>> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of Sissy Adams 
>>in
>> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish for 
>>years.
>> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of political &
>> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies by
>> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a "hands-off" 
>>policy
>> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to struggle 
>>over
>> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to defuse 
>>internal
>> >tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this started to
>> >become
>> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
>> >Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of the 
>>Frank
>> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, bloody-handed
>> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if temporarily, 
>>with
>> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and causes--most
>> >recently
>> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his predominantly black,
>> >middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has led him 
>>to
>> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as he 
>>himself
>> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
>> >
>> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a matter of
>> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against Soaries'
>> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the inherant
>> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, and the
>> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger enemy); 
>>all
>> >of
>> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies in the
>> >community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that impure 
>>must
>> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable (kind of 
>>like
>> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good job of
>> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the years...hence 
>>"Sucker
>> >Soaries".
>> >
>> >Matthew Smith
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----Original Message Follows----
>> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
>> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
>> >
>> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
>> >
>> >Erric Z.
>> >    -----Original Message-----
>> >    From: wacbush01@... [mailto:wacbush01@...]
>> >    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
>> >    To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>> >    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>> >
>> >
>> >    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
>> >    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
>> >    authority and demand that backwards, twisted whitman/difransesco
>> >    board that appointed him comply with federal law that housing
>> >    authority must consist of residents from public housing. bright is
>> >    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a republican
>> >    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates black
>> >    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for crossroads.
>> >    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
>> >    republican state appointment then city council of NB appointing
>> >    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist 
>>apointed..."
>> >    bright, you can't get that.
>> >
>> >    joe smith
>> >
>> >    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...>
>> >    wrote:
>> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
>> >    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
>> >    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
>> >    > By SHARON WATERS
>> >    > STAFF WRITER
>> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist who ran
>> >    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the New
>> >    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of commissioners
>> >    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
>> >    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's redevelopment
>> >    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink built.
>> >    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service to
>> >    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find out the
>> >    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
>> >    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get completed 
>>as
>> >    soon as possible," said Bright.
>> >    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes and build
>> >    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the surrounding
>> >    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
>> >    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three units at
>> >    238 George St. began last month.
>> >    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 35 
>>families
>> >    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining 
>>families
>> >    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI Coordinator John
>> >    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
>> >    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's no
>> >    housing to move into," said Bright.
>> >    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some replacement
>> >    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process 
>>matured,
>> >    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building of any
>> >    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn Patterson,
>> >    director of the city's department of planning, community and 
>>economic
>> >    development, has said.
>> >    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue to work
>> >    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
>> >    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 2005.
>> >    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by Keith A.
>> >    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
>> >    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City Council 
>>and
>> >    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
>> >    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 mayor's
>> >    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on various
>> >    issues, including its appointed school board.
>> >    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
>> >    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to working with
>> >    Bright.
>> >    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we expect that
>> >    he will be an integral member of the board of commissioners," said
>> >    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
>> >    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," said the
>> >    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to cooperate with
>> >    him."
>> >    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in mechanical
>> >    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the city's
>> >    Republican Party.
>> >    > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
>> >
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to paul, you are real beat. your sarcasm moves nothing foward, 
especially when it is pitted at people who are getting things done. 
although i, and infinite others, have been expelled from the people's 
campaign, i have done nothing but promote people's campaign platform 
and raise practical tasks we can accomplish as our relationship 
exists. joe

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> wrote:
> 
> >Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul
> >
> >
> >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...>
> >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
> >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500
> >>
> >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office 
space 
> >>rather
> >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright 
to be 
> >>on
> >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community 
youth
> >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again. 
then 
> >>let's
> >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the 
republican 
> >>party
> >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election, 
which no
> >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such 
position. you
> >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community 
control 
> >>by
> >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after 
winning
> >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the 
most
> >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to 
the
> >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the 
board of ed
> >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one 
more. 
> >>let's
> >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election 
vs. doing
> >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at 
leaps 
> >>and
> >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).
> >>
> >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and 
i'd like 
> >>to
> >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is 
better than
> >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker. 
now you
> >>know so much.
> >>
> >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with 
> >>self-criticism,
> >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how 
long
> >>after that before working to organize community base?
> >>
> >>when is the production meeting?
> >>
> >>joe smith
> >>
> >>
> >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
> >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
> >> >
> >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
> >> >
> >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of 
the First
> >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after 
accepting
> >> >the
> >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used 
to be a
> >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained 
a local
> >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a 
bullet to the
> >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who 
last I
> >> >heard
> >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing 
this 
> >>police
> >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain 
and to
> >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First 
Baptist
> >> >Church
> >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the 
NB/Franklin
> >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen 
on many
> >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around 
town, 
> >>such
> >> >as
> >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the 
black vote 
> >>and
> >> >buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed 
Bush2 
> >>into
> >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black 
vote.  In
> >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in 
part
> >> >because
> >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB 
Coalition 
> >>Against
> >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of 
Sissy Adams 
> >>in
> >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish 
for 
> >>years.
> >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of 
political &
> >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies 
by
> >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a 
"hands-off" 
> >>policy
> >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to 
struggle 
> >>over
> >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to 
defuse 
> >>internal
> >> >tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this 
started to
> >> >become
> >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
> >> >Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of 
the 
> >>Frank
> >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched, 
bloody-handed
> >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if 
temporarily, 
> >>with
> >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and 
causes--most
> >> >recently
> >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his 
predominantly black,
> >> >middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has 
led him 
> >>to
> >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as 
he 
> >>himself
> >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
> >> >
> >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a 
matter of
> >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against 
Soaries'
> >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the 
inherant
> >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand, 
and the
> >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger 
enemy); 
> >>all
> >> >of
> >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies 
in the
> >> >community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that 
impure 
> >>must
> >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable 
(kind of 
> >>like
> >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good 
job of
> >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the 
years...hence 
> >>"Sucker
> >> >Soaries".
> >> >
> >> >Matthew Smith
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----Original Message Follows----
> >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...>
> >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...>
> >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing 
job
> >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
> >> >
> >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
> >> >
> >> >Erric Z.
> >> >    -----Original Message-----
> >> >    From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...]
> >> >    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
> >> >    To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >> >    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing 
job
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
> >> >    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
> >> >    authority and demand that backwards, twisted 
whitman/difransesco
> >> >    board that appointed him comply with federal law that 
housing
> >> >    authority must consist of residents from public housing. 
bright is
> >> >    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a 
republican
> >> >    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates 
black
> >> >    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for 
crossroads.
> >> >    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
> >> >    republican state appointment then city council of NB 
appointing
> >> >    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist 
> >>apointed..."
> >> >    bright, you can't get that.
> >> >
> >> >    joe smith
> >> >
> >> >    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" 
<znowakowski@u...>
> >> >    wrote:
> >> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> >> >    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> >> >    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> >> >    > By SHARON WATERS
> >> >    > STAFF WRITER
> >> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist 
who ran
> >> >    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the 
New
> >> >    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of 
commissioners
> >> >    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> >> >    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's 
redevelopment
> >> >    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink 
built.
> >> >    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service 
to
> >> >    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find 
out the
> >> >    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> >> >    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get 
completed 
> >>as
> >> >    soon as possible," said Bright.
> >> >    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes 
and build
> >> >    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the 
surrounding
> >> >    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
> >> >    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three 
units at
> >> >    238 George St. began last month.
> >> >    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about 
35 
> >>families
> >> >    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining 
> >>families
> >> >    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI 
Coordinator John
> >> >    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> >> >    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's 
no
> >> >    housing to move into," said Bright.
> >> >    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some 
replacement
> >> >    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process 
> >>matured,
> >> >    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building 
of any
> >> >    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn 
Patterson,
> >> >    director of the city's department of planning, community and 
> >>economic
> >> >    development, has said.
> >> >    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue 
to work
> >> >    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> >> >    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22, 
2005.
> >> >    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by 
Keith A.
> >> >    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
> >> >    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City 
Council 
> >>and
> >> >    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> >> >    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998 
mayor's
> >> >    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on 
various
> >> >    issues, including its appointed school board.
> >> >    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> >> >    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to 
working with
> >> >    Bright.
> >> >    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we 
expect that
> >> >    he will be an integral member of the board of 
commissioners," said
> >> >    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> >> >    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels," 
said the
> >> >    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to 
cooperate with
> >> >    him."
> >> >    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in 
mechanical
> >> >    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the 
city's
> >> >    Republican Party.
> >> >    > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
> >> >
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Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we have nothing in common. You and your 
bro make that abundantly clear. If the campaign and njfo and myself are so 
beat, then why do you spend so much time weighing in on our business? Why do 
you want real beat people to support you in court?  Why do you constantly 
berate people who would be your allies and then accuse me of holding back 
the movement with my sarcastic comments?

I'm done with these lists.

Paul

>From: wacbush01@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:51:51 -0000
>
>to paul, you are real beat. your sarcasm moves nothing foward,
>especially when it is pitted at people who are getting things done.
>although i, and infinite others, have been expelled from the people's
>campaign, i have done nothing but promote people's campaign platform
>and raise practical tasks we can accomplish as our relationship
>exists. joe
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> wrote:
> >
> > >Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...>
> > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
> > >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500
> > >>
> > >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office
>space
> > >>rather
> > >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright
>to be
> > >>on
> > >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community
>youth
> > >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again.
>then
> > >>let's
> > >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the
>republican
> > >>party
> > >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election,
>which no
> > >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such
>position. you
> > >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community
>control
> > >>by
> > >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after
>winning
> > >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the
>most
> > >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to
>the
> > >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the
>board of ed
> > >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one
>more.
> > >>let's
> > >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election
>vs. doing
> > >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at
>leaps
> > >>and
> > >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).
> > >>
> > >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and
>i'd like
> > >>to
> > >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is
>better than
> > >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker.
>now you
> > >>know so much.
> > >>
> > >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with
> > >>self-criticism,
> > >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how
>long
> > >>after that before working to organize community base?
> > >>
> > >>when is the production meeting?
> > >>
> > >>joe smith
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
> > >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
> > >> >
> > >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
> > >> >
> > >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of
>the First
> > >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after
>accepting
> > >> >the
> > >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used
>to be a
> > >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained
>a local
> > >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a
>bullet to the
> > >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who
>last I
> > >> >heard
> > >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing
>this
> > >>police
> > >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain
>and to
> > >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First
>Baptist
> > >> >Church
> > >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the
>NB/Franklin
> > >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen
>on many
> > >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around
>town,
> > >>such
> > >> >as
> > >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the
>black vote
> > >>and
> > >> >buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed
>Bush2
> > >>into
> > >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black
>vote.  In
> > >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in
>part
> > >> >because
> > >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB
>Coalition
> > >>Against
> > >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of
>Sissy Adams
> > >>in
> > >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish
>for
> > >>years.
> > >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of
>political &
> > >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies
>by
> > >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a
>"hands-off"
> > >>policy
> > >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to
>struggle
> > >>over
> > >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to
>defuse
> > >>internal
> > >> >tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this
>started to
> > >> >become
> > >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
> > >> >Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of
>the
> > >>Frank
> > >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched,
>bloody-handed
> > >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if
>temporarily,
> > >>with
> > >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and
>causes--most
> > >> >recently
> > >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his
>predominantly black,
> > >> >middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has
>led him
> > >>to
> > >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as
>he
> > >>himself
> > >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
> > >> >
> > >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a
>matter of
> > >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against
>Soaries'
> > >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the
>inherant
> > >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand,
>and the
> > >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger
>enemy);
> > >>all
> > >> >of
> > >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies
>in the
> > >> >community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that
>impure
> > >>must
> > >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable
>(kind of
> > >>like
> > >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good
>job of
> > >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the
>years...hence
> > >>"Sucker
> > >> >Soaries".
> > >> >
> > >> >Matthew Smith
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >----Original Message Follows----
> > >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...>
> > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...>
> > >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing
>job
> > >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
> > >> >
> > >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
> > >> >
> > >> >Erric Z.
> > >> >    -----Original Message-----
> > >> >    From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...]
> > >> >    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
> > >> >    To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >> >    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing
>job
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
> > >> >    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
> > >> >    authority and demand that backwards, twisted
>whitman/difransesco
> > >> >    board that appointed him comply with federal law that
>housing
> > >> >    authority must consist of residents from public housing.
>bright is
> > >> >    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a
>republican
> > >> >    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates
>black
> > >> >    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for
>crossroads.
> > >> >    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
> > >> >    republican state appointment then city council of NB
>appointing
> > >> >    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist
> > >>apointed..."
> > >> >    bright, you can't get that.
> > >> >
> > >> >    joe smith
> > >> >
> > >> >    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski"
><znowakowski@u...>
> > >> >    wrote:
> > >> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> > >> >    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> > >> >    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> > >> >    > By SHARON WATERS
> > >> >    > STAFF WRITER
> > >> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist
>who ran
> > >> >    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the
>New
> > >> >    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of
>commissioners
> > >> >    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> > >> >    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's
>redevelopment
> > >> >    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink
>built.
> > >> >    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service
>to
> > >> >    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find
>out the
> > >> >    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> > >> >    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get
>completed
> > >>as
> > >> >    soon as possible," said Bright.
> > >> >    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes
>and build
> > >> >    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the
>surrounding
> > >> >    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
> > >> >    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three
>units at
> > >> >    238 George St. began last month.
> > >> >    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about
>35
> > >>families
> > >> >    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining
> > >>families
> > >> >    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI
>Coordinator John
> > >> >    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> > >> >    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's
>no
> > >> >    housing to move into," said Bright.
> > >> >    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some
>replacement
> > >> >    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process
> > >>matured,
> > >> >    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building
>of any
> > >> >    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn
>Patterson,
> > >> >    director of the city's department of planning, community and
> > >>economic
> > >> >    development, has said.
> > >> >    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue
>to work
> > >> >    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> > >> >    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22,
>2005.
> > >> >    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by
>Keith A.
> > >> >    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
> > >> >    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City
>Council
> > >>and
> > >> >    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> > >> >    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998
>mayor's
> > >> >    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on
>various
> > >> >    issues, including its appointed school board.
> > >> >    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> > >> >    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to
>working with
> > >> >    Bright.
> > >> >    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we
>expect that
> > >> >    he will be an integral member of the board of
>commissioners," said
> > >> >    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> > >> >    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels,"
>said the
> > >> >    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to
>cooperate with
> > >> >    him."
> > >> >    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in
>mechanical
> > >> >    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the
>city's
> > >> >    Republican Party.
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> > >> >
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Letter to the Star Ledger Editor

Regarding your editorial comparing New Brunswick's Republican Party 
Chairperson appointment to the city's Housing Authority to "seating a 
Marxist on the old House Un-American Activities Committee":  Frank Bright 
will certainly be a wrench in the well oiled gears of the corrupt Democratic 
Machine and its fast-track gentrification plans.  The city is now attempting 
to evict thirty-five more struggling families from public housing before 
promised replacement housing has been constructed.  The justification, as 
always, is that poor people stand in the way of market-rate development.  
New Brunswick's main street has long been a story of two city's--the side 
that caters to upper-income commuters and side where poor residents are left 
unemployed in rotting homes to be harassed by the NBPD.  But the Machine' 
class warfare against the people met serious resistance in the recent City 
Council Elections where the Peoples' Campaign ticket won a third of the 
votes.

Bright, far from a Marxist, was very involved with this challenge to the 
Democrats, working side by side with actual revolutionaries and progressives 
in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority rule.  But Bright 
split after his right-wing social and political agenda caused him to loose 
his leadership position.  He must now be mindful of the democratic 
principles which galvanized our campaign, and immediately demand that an 
elected public housing resident be brought to the board, as the city has 
neglected to do.  He must also demand an immediate halt to the evictions.  
He should also be mindful that any anti-democratic Bushwhacking of these 
duties to the people will quickly bring him the same formidable grass-roots 
resistance that the Machine is now receiving.

Matthew Smith, Newark
Student at the New Jersey School of Architecture
& former New Brunswick Resident
(973) 454-4701

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it is incomprehensible to state that a republican operative will be a 
"wrench in the gears of gentrification plans". that bright worked 
"side-by-side with revolutionaries for democracy".

bright openly exploited progressive unrest to fill his republican 
organization. to promote his right wing agenda. his attacks on 
democratic corruption, like bush's, were always from the right. he 
never concealed this.

at the pc convention, he attacked joe smith's election to the steering 
committee as chair of the elected school board committee, on the 
grounds that joe was a marxist.

after(!) this, njfo backed his election to the steering committee as 
against local youth activist jason hankins, who was nominated by 
block-on-lock. why? he dangled an office before them, and the petty 
leadership of njfo has never failed to put material gain before 
peoples organization.

after the convention, before we touched on warren's sellout, we 
submitted an expose' of bright's counter-revolutionary agenda to the 
steering committee. it was ignored.




--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> Letter to the Star Ledger Editor
> 
> Regarding your editorial comparing New Brunswick's Republican Party 
> Chairperson appointment to the city's Housing Authority to "seating 
a 
> Marxist on the old House Un-American Activities Committee":  Frank 
Bright 
> will certainly be a wrench in the well oiled gears of the corrupt 
Democratic 
> Machine and its fast-track gentrification plans.  The city is now 
attempting 
> to evict thirty-five more struggling families from public housing 
before 
> promised replacement housing has been constructed.  The 
justification, as 
> always, is that poor people stand in the way of market-rate 
development.  
> New Brunswick's main street has long been a story of two city's--the 
side 
> that caters to upper-income commuters and side where poor residents 
are left 
> unemployed in rotting homes to be harassed by the NBPD.  But the 
Machine' 
> class warfare against the people met serious resistance in the 
recent City 
> Council Elections where the Peoples' Campaign ticket won a third of 
the 
> votes.
> 
> Bright, far from a Marxist, was very involved with this challenge to 
the 
> Democrats, working side by side with actual revolutionaries and 
progressives 
> in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority rule.  But 
Bright 
> split after his right-wing social and political agenda caused him to 
loose 
> his leadership position.  He must now be mindful of the democratic 
> principles which galvanized our campaign, and immediately demand 
that an 
> elected public housing resident be brought to the board, as the city 
has 
> neglected to do.  He must also demand an immediate halt to the 
evictions.  
> He should also be mindful that any anti-democratic Bushwhacking of 
these 
> duties to the people will quickly bring him the same formidable 
grass-roots 
> resistance that the Machine is now receiving.
> 
> Matthew Smith, Newark
> Student at the New Jersey School of Architecture
> & former New Brunswick Resident
> (973) 454-4701
> 
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                Balance in New Brunswick 

                03/09/01

                Few agencies have had as much influence on New
                Brunswick and its evolution in recent years as the
                city's powerful Housing and Redevelopment
                Authority. 

                It approves or rejects all redevelopment projects and
                oversees public housing in New Brunswick, where
                political clout has long been locked up by the local
                Democratic machine. 

                So filling a vacancy on the authority with a man who
                not only is a prominent city gadfly, but also the head
                of its feeble Republican Party, is tantamount to
                seating a Marxist on the old House un-American
                Activities Committee. 

                The appointment of Frank Bright promises to bring
                new meaning to the term "lively discussion" at
                authority meetings. The 34-year-old mechanical
                engineer is known for prickly public attacks on city
                Democrats. 

                The public should be the beneficiary. Real diversity
                on a powerful public board is always an asset. It
                makes it far more likely that there will be genuine
                debate on important issues -- and public scrutiny of
                official actions. 

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Bright could right board


            A Home News Tribune editorial

            This page still believes a tenant deserves a place on the 
New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Board, but the state
            Department of Community Affairs also has taken an 
important and constructive step in naming its representative: it has 
appointed a
            Republican.

            Frank Bright, a firebrand who once challenged Mayor James 
Cahill, already has upset city Democrats' cozy little
            I'm-OK-you're-OK love fest, speaking this week with 
necessary bluntness about the Housing Authority's HOPE VI project.

            The Authority continues to assert the project is on 
schedule, even though ground has not been broken on replacement 
housing that
            was supposed to be finished before residents were moved 
from New Brunswick Homes. Now, faced with the result of its own
            ineffectiveness -- at least 29 families have found nowhere 
to go -- the authority has resorted to official eviction proceedings
            against the remaining tenants.

            Bright said this week he will oppose the authority's 
eviction proceedings and will insist the replacement housing get 
completed as
            soon as possible. The hope is that he can make that 
happen. At least Bright seems determined not to let the authority and 
its city
            soldiers fool themselves into believing their own spin. 
Sometimes a dissident within is the most important first step. 

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: March 9, 2001

Cliff-  Re:

"First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000

Using this formulation back up your position on Curtis shows just how absurd 
it is.  You're seriously going to compare him to "Klan, Nazi, Lynch mob 
underground"?!! Are you for real?  We're talking about a guy who beat the 
odds growing up in NB's poor African-American community, fought off 
substance abuse, dragged his working-class self to work every day struggling 
to get by and was living in a god-damn trailer up until the campaign because 
he had to, not because he was a suburban college boy drop out who moved to 
the hood and thinking he was a "ghetto-kid" in Nutley (your words).  I've 
heard him denounce J&J countless times in person, in meetings, in public 
rallies against NB Killer Cops that HE organized, which takes a hell of a 
lot more guts than it does for us being that he had to go home everyday and 
face their intimidation & harassment after the crowds & cameras left.
Every time Baraka came around, whether at Rutgers or to our forums, Curtis 
was the first in line to talk to him and ask his sage advice.
Always trying to improve his own neighborhoods, he was elected to represent 
the people with an overwhelming percentage of votes, and for the first time 
finding himself in a high pressure situation that he took extremely 
seriously he makes a bad statement, something that could have been dealt 
with in a discussion on the side, (after all, he was fully in support of the 
  condition that all public positions of the candidates must be met with a 
vote from the steering committee) and you want to tar-and-feather him as a 
"Corporate Running Dog" who's only in it for the $ though he's never 
recieved a dime?  Where do you get off with this "premeditated rehearsed 
overtures to the enemy" nonsense?

Do you know that Baraka himself is constantly on Prudential in Newark to 
give up resources to the community, and promotes the position that corporate 
boards should be opened to the public representation?  How hard would it 
have been to point out to Curtis how "working with J&J" can be advantageous 
to a community lacking basic resources (as in, we liberate what they have 
taken from us) versus letting them take further advantage of the 
grass-roots.  Instead, you've egregiously assaulted his character and 
motives for months.  Maybe this has more to do with why you may be standing 
in front of Frank's house by yourselves on Sunday, your interesting excuses 
aside, just like you brought YOURSELVES to our "successful" Rt 1 protest of 
Gestapo Steve Rogers's rally after scaring off our potential support with 
your other PURIST, yet untactful, formulations.  So your declarations to 
"Unite" behind such sectarian tendencies ring a bit hollow.

I really try to support BOL/SWORD/CDRP/ETC where I can- I thought your 
Community Mural project was brilliant...I've tried to rally support for a 
letter writing campaign from the PC to demand that NB drop their charges 
against you and Joe (believing that I stand the most to lose from our 
charges being lumped together, as mine is basically my word against a 
cop's)...etc, whatever. but you make it tough when you consistantly shoot 
your own efforts in the foot, like with this ongoing tirade against Curtis.

You Unite,
Matthew


----Original Message Follows----
From: cliffsmith69@...
Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [njfo] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
right!
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:00:30 -0000

keith,

we have included already in our press release of the sunday protest of
bright the "call on nb city officials, nb housing authority, and jim
mcgreevy, to condemn the appointment, and file federal suit to uphold
mandatory resident representation."

public housing residents have already expressed their support for
george berry's program in electing him president of the homes'
tenants' association. our protest is designed to draw attention to the
condition of nb public housing (evictions...), the federal requirement
of resident representation, and bright's illegal appointment, which is
being praised by the ledger & hnt.

the demand that bright support the call for elected resident rep is to
break the spell he has cast over local progressives by claiming to
support democracy & community control, as evidenced by his near
unanimous support in these posts.

the choice of his residence is to expose enemy agents in the midst of
the community, broader than the mere nbha seat. to take it right to
the republicans at their bases in our neighborhoods. to instill
confidence in the community that we dont have to accept these people.

i wouldnt expect public housing residents to immediately show at the
rally.
1- those remaining downtown are on their last legs. we moved a family
to wright pl. last weekend, they have more immediate concerns.
2- the protest is on short notice, i doubt we will be able to contact
  many beforehand, which makes george st a good place for "agitation &
propoganda".
3- this isnt really correct criterion for the success of the protest.
we had 5 people march to convict marshall & chinchilla, and drew mass
attention to the trial. & this will bring attention to the evictions.

we will be at brights residence 4pm this and every sunday until the
5april eviction hearing.

re: curtis-

no one can question that we supported his nomination, voted for his
candidacy, gathered more petition signatures for his ballot req. than
any other grouping, put his name on all our lit. (as within the
peoples' campaign slate), endorsed him (as part of the slate) up &
down. supported his public events & invited him to ours. and spilt
blood stumping for him (which he mocks).

had curtis been an "ordinary" activist, yr criticism of our method
would be correct. (but even the argument over method ignores the more
important question of content. that is "where is njfo's or any of our
critics mo' better criticism of curtis???).

however, once curtis became the representative of the campaign, the
candidate for the community, our official spokesperson, he accepted
sacred responsibilities. 1st & foremost, to uphold the program of the
campaign.

curtis's public statements upon accepting his candidacy were not
off-the-cuff innocent misstatements. they were premeditated,
rehearsed, intentional overtures to the enemies of the people. once
his vote was won, he was untouchable and took off his mask.

"we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here to
do better."  & we will work with j&j to solve nb's problems.

this is not a "contradiction among the people". it is republican
propoganda.  deforest soaries is not warren's "religious leader" or a
"reverend" for purpose of political discussion. he is the nj
secretary-of-state to the republican bush-whitman-difransesco regime.
the republican organization lusts after nb/middlesex cty, and warren
is their local agent within the peoples forces. warren's m/o is
exactly soaries'.

"First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000


--- In njfo@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
 > Cliff,
 >      I think that your analysis is basically correct. However, the
attack on
 > Curtis is seriously mistaken.  Again, I would refer you to Mao's "On
Correct
 > handling of the Contradictions among the People". You continually
treat
 > Curtis as an enemy when he has already proven himself to be a
courageous and
 > dedicated working class organizer. That he is mistaken when he
defends
 > Frank's appointment should be discussed in a spirit of unity using
methods of
 > discussion and persuasion.
 >      NJFO shortsightedly enlisted numerous people including myself
to get
 > Frank made the chair of the Republican Party. In retrospect this was
a
 > serious mistake.This mistake has not been discussed nor its
implications.
 >    Frank Bright has proven himself to be a Judas and a snake in the
grass.
 > The appointment of Frank Bright is certainly a violation of Federal
Law and
 > both the Republican community affairs department and the local
democrats can
 > agree on one thing for sure to screw the people in this case public
housing
 > residents who have been denied representation again.
 >      The main lesson of this past election cycle is that the local
struggle
 > can not be seperated from the national struggle and the local
strategy and
 > tactics must coincide with national strategy and tactics.
 > This lesson in my opinion was learnt through struggle and prcatice.
There is
 > nothing wrong with making mistakes. Only those who don't do anything
don't
 > make mistakes. But mistakes must be corrected.
 >
 > I see nothing to gain by demonstaring in front of Frank's house.  I
will
 > gladly admit that I am wrong about this if public housing residents
outnumber
 > SWORD members at this demonstration, but I seriously doubt it.
 >
 > A lawsuit against all bodies that appoint to the housing authority
combined
 > with agiation and propaganda around the issue seems to me the better
course
 > of action. An election should be organized by public housing
residents to
 > choose their representaive. In that case a real alternative to the
current
 > appointees would exist. You demand that:
 > "dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
 > berry's call for elected resident representation."
 > This demand reveals where you are mistaken and why the present
course of
 > action was chosen (a protest in front of Frank's house). We don't
need Frank
 > to back George Berry's demand, we need public housing residents in
particular
 > and the New Brunswick people in general to back George Berry's
demand. Who
 > cares what Frank Bright does? We should expect him to behave as the
chair of
 > the party that represents the greatest threat to the majority of
people in
 > this country. Time and energy could be much better spent organizing
residents
 > to chose their represenative and preparing to struggle to get that
person on
 > the housing authority.  This is much harder work that picketing in
front of
 > Frank's house, but it will be much more fruitful.
 >
 > Take care,
 > Keith
 >
 >
 > liffsmith69@h... wrote:
 >
 > > the nj republican state dept. of community affairs' appointment of
nb
 > > republican party chair Dim Liar to the nb housing authority board,
is
 > > more than a violation of federal law requiring resident
 > > representation
 > > on the board. &more than kicking the ousted projects residents
while
 > > theyre down.
 > >
 > > it is a republican party gubenatorial campaign maneuver to
establish
 > > a
 > > republican stronghold, with skunk soaries & protege ("we have to
 > > start
 > > somewhere...") republican ClassWarrin,$r., in mcgreasy's backyard.
 > >
 > > the social democratic liberal posturing which put bush2 in the
white
 > > house locally put dim liar in the housing authority, by boosting
him
 > > &
 > > the nb republican party.
 > >
 > > at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
 > > activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
final
 > > executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
 > > socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
 > > peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
liar
 > > (after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
elected
 > > board of education committee, on grounds that joe is a
communist.).
 > >
 > > hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
(motorcades...),
 > > and possible victory.
 > >
 > > rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
 > > enlist
 > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
 > > pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
 > >
 > > rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
 > > power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
power
 > > out of the "peoples'" campaign.
 > >
 > > the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
 > > right
 > > from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and
isolated.
 > >
 > > dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
 > > berry's call for elected resident representation.
 > >
 > > all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
 > > projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
 > >
 > > skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
 > > allocated
 > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
 > >
 > > protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
 > > chair dim liar.
 > >
 > > republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
 > > revolutionaries unite! with the people.
 > >
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Official Text of Rep. Major Owens speech in Congress on 3/8/01
regarding WBAI and Pacifica

======================


RADIO FREE SPEECH IS BEING DENIED IN NEW YORK CITY


Mr. Speaker, tyrants in control of totalitarian countries like China,
Serbia and Iraq consider control of the airwaves an absolute
necessity. They ruthlessly enforce censorship of a kind few of us in
America can imagine. On last Monday, however, I had the weird
and frightening experience of being gagged by a radio station
manager in my own home city of New York.  It started with a
routine request that I call in for a phone interview on a show hosted
on Radio Station WBAI by Ken Nash which focuses on union and
labor news and features.  The name of the show which commences
at 2 P.M. was "Building Bridges."  As the Ranking Democrat on
the Workforce Protections Subcommittee I welcome the chance to
appear on shows related to working families or unions.

It is important to note that Radio Station, WBAI is a non-profit
station which runs primarily on contributions solicited from its
mass of diverse listeners.  Since last December this station has
experienced considerable turmoil internally and long-term
producers and hosts have been fired or locked out of the station.
Like many New Yorkers I am concerned about the present and
future of this vital outlet for free speech on the radio. Without
knowing all of the specific tensions and confrontations within the
station I have indicated my interest in working toward the resolution
of the problems hampering the continuation of the unique and
robust programming at WBAI.

It is important to note that I am presently seeking ways to get more
avenues opened for radio free speech in my City.  Five low-powered
Haitian stations have been shut down.  The survival of WBAI is vital
for the entire movement seeking more access to the airways.  The
bully monopolies of commercial radio provide the continuing
roadblocks.  My knowledge of the reputation of certain recent
appointments to the Board of Pacifica Network, which is the parent
non-profit institution responsible for WBAI, leads me to conclude
that there is a clear and immediate danger that attempts will be
made to sell WBAI to a commercial owner.  Such a sale would
mean the loss of a vital voice for working families in NYC.

My beliefs and point-of-view are considered heresy by Station
Manager Utrice Leid.  Without explanation or apology she shut
down the microphones and proclaimed that she had to intervene
because it was her job to allow only the "truth" over the airwaves.
The following is a summary of the statement I would have made
had I not been censured and shut off:

The situation at WBAI has implications far beyond this one station.
Freedom of speech over the airwaves via radio, broadcast
television, and cable television is presently quite limited for the
majority of Americans.  We have a problem of great magnitude that
is not being appropriately addressed.  The WBAI arrangement and
structure offered one model to be emulated.  As a listener
supported station with a very diverse set of programs, procedures
and guests, WBAI represents the optimum use of radio in the
service of ordinary people.

When I attended the memorial service for the late Samori
Marksman, former WBAI Station Manager,  last year in that great
hall at St. John's Cathedral, I saw a more diverse assembly than I
have seen anywhere in New York City.   Folks from all races,
religions, income levels and political persuasions were there.
There were intellectual snobs who support programs broadcasting
esoteric operas  mingling with radical, grassroots political activists.
Indeed, as a politician, one immediate reaction I experienced as I
contemplated all of that diversity with solidarity was a concern that
some people in powerful places would perceive WBAI as a threat.
The term "power structure" applies to forces that are very real.  And
I felt that this "power structure" would seek to destroy what the
WBAI Community has created.

WBAI represents radio freedom of speech that does not make a
profit for anyone.   There are those who see profits being made via
WBAI and other Pacifica  stations.  There are others in powerful
places who feel that only commercial stations should exist; or if
there are public stations, they should be indirectly controlled by
corporate grants and benign corporate advertisements.

Some of the persons who have recently been appointed to the
Pacifica Board represent such powerful commercial interests.  In
my opinion, WBAI is an endangered station as long as such
business predators are on the Pacifica Board.  Persons far
removed from the original ideals and philosophy of the founders of
the Pacifica chain are not likely to promote the original intent of
this very well conceived system.

A basic question which must be tested as soon as possible in the
courts is: Who owns a non-profit entity and who has a right to sell
non-profit radio stations?  Does the original charter or licensing by
FCC permit any group of trustees or directors to treat Pacifica and
WBAI as if they are commercial entities?

While the Pacifica turmoil is raging, I strongly urge WBAI to seek
to preserve its free speech function in New York City by exploring
the necessary steps to become independent of Pacifica.  As a non-
profit entity WBAI should use the university structure as a model.
It should elect a  Broad of Trustees through a voting process
utilizing its contributors and supporters as the voters.  The
Trustees should be responsible for basic business operations while
the producers and staff should be given a role similar to the faculty
at a university.  Basic freedoms similar to academic freedom and
tenure should be conferred upon longstanding producers and long-
term paid and unpaid staff participants.

I offer this as one model to preserve WBAI as a bastion of radio
free speech.  We need to broaden the efforts to promote such free
speech via radio.  New technology that permits small low powered
stations to broadcast at low costs has provided new possibilities
for greater avenues to radio free speech; however, five Haitian
stations have been shut down in my district and been declared to
be "pirate stations". There is a great need to test the long accepted
rules and regulations of the FCC.  Too much of the status quo as
reinforced by the 1996 Telecommunications Act borders on the
unconstitutional  denial of freedom of speech.

There is a larger free speech war to be engaged; however, first we
must preserve the solidarity and diversity on the airwaves as
represented by WBAI.


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CLiff wrote:

it is incomprehensible to state that a republican operative will be a
"wrench in the gears of gentrification plans". that bright worked
"side-by-side with revolutionaries for democracy".

I never said that he worked "side by side with rev's for democracy" ...I 
said  Bright was "working side by side with actual revolutionaries and 
progressives ***in a united-front for peoples' democracy and majority 
rule*** [before he got ousted by the people from his leadership]."

This is true, no?  Don't twist my shit to invent something impure to attack.

You Unite,
Matthew

****
I swear to god I'm trying not to make this a Smith-Brother's sounding board. 
  Can we exchange irrelevant barbs like this directly to each other in the 
future as Mark suggested?
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paul, doing nothing since the election is real beat. i think that is why 
your sarcasm is constantly on every action/event for the new brunswick 
community that i and others have brought up. i think your attitude comes 
from the level of activity you are dealing with. need i reprint your posts 
to make this point. my berating/criticism of people is to expose them at 
their points as not being my allies, nor allies of the people's campaign, 
can you explain your sarcasm?


>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
>Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:59:56 -0000
>
>Thanks for clearing that up. I guess we have nothing in common. You and 
>your
>bro make that abundantly clear. If the campaign and njfo and myself are so
>beat, then why do you spend so much time weighing in on our business? Why 
>do
>you want real beat people to support you in court?  Why do you constantly
>berate people who would be your allies and then accuse me of holding back
>the movement with my sarcastic comments?
>
>I'm done with these lists.
>
>Paul
>
> >From: wacbush01@...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Fwd: Re: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
> >Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 17:51:51 -0000
> >
> >to paul, you are real beat. your sarcasm moves nothing foward,
> >especially when it is pitted at people who are getting things done.
> >although i, and infinite others, have been expelled from the people's
> >campaign, i have done nothing but promote people's campaign platform
> >and raise practical tasks we can accomplish as our relationship
> >exists. joe
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Provocateur, Explain your comment about me. Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>From: "joseph smith" <wacbush01@h...>
> > > >>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >>To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >>Subject: [nbpc] yes matthew wiegh those advantages
> > > >>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 17:14:52 -0500
> > > >>
> > > >>just as njfo~people's campaign wieghed the advantage of office
> >space
> > > >>rather
> > > >>than organized base by nominating and swinging the vote for bright
> >to be
> > > >>on
> > > >>steering committee in the first place. this act defeated community
> >youth
> > > >>jason hankins, who led the survey team and never showed up again.
> >then
> > > >>let's
> > > >>again weigh things, how 'bout the advantages of joining the
> >republican
> > > >>party
> > > >>and becoming very active republican agents during last election,
> >which no
> > > >>doubt padded bright's resume tremendously to now be in such
> >position. you
> > > >>wanna weigh a defense of people's campaign platform for community
> >control
> > > >>by
> > > >>BOL as an attack on el curtis because his first words after
> >winning
> > > >>candidacy is how willing he is to work with J&J. then expel the
> >most
> > > >>revolutionary aspect of the campaign, causing irreperable harm to
> >the
> > > >>organizing effort ie., people's campaign couldn't even get the
> >board of ed
> > > >>question on the ballot - they never turned in one signature. one
> >more.
> > > >>let's
> > > >>weigh not doing any public events/organizing since the election
> >vs. doing
> > > >>some. doing none comes in at real beat, doing anything comes in at
> >leaps
> > > >>and
> > > >>bounds better than being real beat (take paul for example).
> > > >>
> > > >>you keep wieghing the truth against what you can gain by it and
> >i'd like
> > > >>to
> > > >>see your strong allies and who they LIE with. any criticism is
> >better than
> > > >>none, like you or "your allies" ever said anything about sucker.
> >now you
> > > >>know so much.
> > > >>
> > > >>njfo~people's campaign should be saturating yourselves with
> > > >>self-criticism,
> > > >>how long before admitting brightsucker don't serve the people? how
> >long
> > > >>after that before working to organize community base?
> > > >>
> > > >>when is the production meeting?
> > > >>
> > > >>joe smith
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...>
> > > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >> >Subject: [nbpc] RE: What is "Sucker Soaries"...
> > > >> >Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 20:09:42
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Erric, maybe I can esplain "Sucker Soaries" comment:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >It is a not so endearing nick-name for Rev. Buster Soaries of
> >the First
> > > >> >Baptist Church in Somerset, who rose to state prominance after
> >accepting
> > > >> >the
> > > >> >Secretary of State position under Gov. Hitman.  I hear he used
> >to be a
> > > >> >college activist at Rutgers, and know for certain that he gained
> >a local
> > > >> >spotlight after Sean Potts was murdered by the NBPD with a
> >bullet to the
> > > >> >back of the head (...1990?), courtesy of Officer Zane Grey (who
> >last I
> > > >> >heard
> > > >> >was still on the force). Soaries led demonstrations denouncing
> >this
> > > >>police
> > > >> >killing, and many believe he used the platform for personal gain
> >and to
> > > >> >benefit his unusually substantial church--for instance, First
> >Baptist
> > > >> >Church
> > > >> >somehow became the public relations mouthpiece for the
> >NB/Franklin
> > > >> >"Renaissance" DevCo projects. Over the years, he has been seen
> >on many
> > > >> >occasions escorting conservative Republican politicians around
> >town,
> > > >>such
> > > >> >as
> > > >> >Whitman after she snatched the Gov. spot by suppressing the
> >black vote
> > > >>and
> > > >> >buying off certain black ministers.  More recently, he welcomed
> >Bush2
> > > >>into
> > > >> >the area, who also took the election by suppressing the Black
> >vote.  In
> > > >> >grass-roots circles, he has been a source of uneasy tension, in
> >part
> > > >> >because
> > > >> >the most active and consistant community member in the NB
> >Coalition
> > > >>Against
> > > >> >Police Brutality (formed in the wake of the police murder of
> >Sissy Adams
> > > >>in
> > > >> >1996), Curtis Warren, has been a loyal member of Soaries' parish
> >for
> > > >>years.
> > > >> >Because there was more to be gained from finding points of
> >political &
> > > >> >social unity with residents than in alienating potential allies
> >by
> > > >> >condemning their religious leaders, we tended to take a
> >"hands-off"
> > > >>policy
> > > >> >toward Soaries over the years, though our unity allowed us to
> >struggle
> > > >>over
> > > >> >particular issues as they came up, sometimes using humor to
> >defuse
> > > >>internal
> > > >> >tentions while pointing out differences.  But I think this
> >started to
> > > >> >become
> > > >> >more unrealistic as Soaries' Star rose as Whitman's token "Black
> > > >> >Conservative" spokesperson.  On the other hand, he has a bit of
> >the
> > > >>Frank
> > > >> >Bright syndrome in that his oppostition to the entrenched,
> >bloody-handed
> > > >> >Democratic Machine still causes him to ally himself, if
> >temporarily,
> > > >>with
> > > >> >local left/progressive/revolutionary organizations and
> >causes--most
> > > >> >recently
> > > >> >introducing the Peoples' Campaign candidates to his
> >predominantly black,
> > > >> >middle-class parish.  Of course, his being African-American has
> >led him
> > > >>to
> > > >> >denounce such overtly racist state-policies like Profiling, as
> >he
> > > >>himself
> > > >> >has claimed to be a victim of this Gestapo tactic.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Particularly within NJFO & the Coalition, it's always been a
> >matter of
> > > >> >weighing the advantages & disadvantages of speaking out against
> >Soaries'
> > > >> >apparent self-promoting conservative agenda vs. exploiting the
> >inherant
> > > >> >contradictions between him and the NB Machine on the one hand,
> >and the
> > > >> >racist Republican Lords of our State on the other (the bigger
> >enemy);
> > > >>all
> > > >> >of
> > > >> >which took second shift to the principle task of creating allies
> >in the
> > > >> >community.  However, the purists amongst us have long held that
> >impure
> > > >>must
> > > >> >only be condemned, and as aggressively as socially tolerable
> >(kind of
> > > >>like
> > > >> >religion) but in the process, I think they've done a fairly good
> >job of
> > > >> >isolating themselves from potential allies over the
> >years...hence
> > > >>"Sucker
> > > >> >Soaries".
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Matthew Smith
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >----Original Message Follows----
> > > >> >From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@b...>
> > > >> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >> >To: <nbpeoplescampaign@y...>
> > > >> >Subject: RE: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing
> >job
> > > >> >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 01:34:46 -0500
> > > >> >
> > > >> >I sort of understand most of this, but hat are "sucker soaries"?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Erric Z.
> > > >> >    -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >    From: wacbush01@h... [mailto:wacbush01@h...]
> > > >> >    Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:28 PM
> > > >> >    To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >> >    Subject: [nbpc] Re: NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing
> >job
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >    if frank bright has any integrity/community concern, he will
> > > >> >    immediately condem recent selection of himself to NB housing
> > > >> >    authority and demand that backwards, twisted
> >whitman/difransesco
> > > >> >    board that appointed him comply with federal law that
> >housing
> > > >> >    authority must consist of residents from public housing.
> >bright is
> > > >> >    being used along with sucker soaries to build up a
> >republican
> > > >> >    stronghold in new brunswick. sucker is so crazy and hates
> >black
> > > >> >    culture so much that he is sitting on 1/2 million$$$ for
> >crossroads.
> > > >> >    anyway, bright is worse for the public housing coming out of
> > > >> >    republican state appointment then city council of NB
> >appointing
> > > >> >    beatrice harris. how bout the targum's headline "activist
> > > >>apointed..."
> > > >> >    bright, you can't get that.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >    joe smith
> > > >> >
> > > >> >    --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski"
> ><znowakowski@u...>
> > > >> >    wrote:
> > > >> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Bright named to housing job
> > > >> >    > Published in the Home News Tribune 3/07/01
> > > >> >    > New HOPE VI homes, 'service' on agenda
> > > >> >    > By SHARON WATERS
> > > >> >    > STAFF WRITER
> > > >> >    > NEW BRUNSWICK: Frank Bright, a local Republican activist
> >who ran
> > > >> >    unsuccessfully for mayor in 1998, has been appointed to the
> >New
> > > >> >    Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority's board of
> >commissioners
> > > >> >    by the state Department of Community Affairs.
> > > >> >    > Bright wants more resident involvement in the city's
> >redevelopment
> > > >> >    and would like to see a community pool and ice-skating rink
> >built.
> > > >> >    > Bright said one goal is to "raise the standard of service
> >to
> > > >> >    residents utilizing public housing," and he wants to find
> >out the
> > > >> >    reasons for delays in building HOPE VI replacement housing.
> > > >> >    > "I must insist the new housing planned for HOPE VI get
> >completed
> > > >>as
> > > >> >    soon as possible," said Bright.
> > > >> >    > HOPE VI is a project to demolish the New Brunswick Homes
> >and build
> > > >> >    198 units of replacement housing onsite and in the
> >surrounding
> > > >> >    neighborhood. Two years after the grant was executed, no new
> > > >> >    construction has begun although the rehabilitation of three
> >units at
> > > >> >    238 George St. began last month.
> > > >> >    > Bright criticized Housing Authority plans to evict about
> >35
> > > >>families
> > > >> >    who had not moved out by the Jan. 26 deadline. The remaining
> > > >>families
> > > >> >    -- 29 as of 4:30 p.m. March 1, according to HOPE VI
> >Coordinator John
> > > >> >    Clarke -- are scheduled to appear in court next month.
> > > >> >    > "There's a major problem when you evict people and there's
> >no
> > > >> >    housing to move into," said Bright.
> > > >> >    > HOPE VI officials originally planned to build some
> >replacement
> > > >> >    housing before all residents had to move. But as the process
> > > >>matured,
> > > >> >    the complexity of the HOPE VI project delayed the building
> >of any
> > > >> >    replacement units before residents had to move, Glenn
> >Patterson,
> > > >> >    director of the city's department of planning, community and
> > > >>economic
> > > >> >    development, has said.
> > > >> >    > Housing Authority officials have said they will continue
> >to work
> > > >> >    with residents to help them find alternative housing.
> > > >> >    > Bright was appointed last week; his term ends Dec. 22,
> >2005.
> > > >> >    > Bright fills the commissioner spot previously held by
> >Keith A.
> > > >> >    Jones, who resigned from the board in May. Of the other six
> > > >> >    commissioners, five were appointed by the Democratic City
> >Council
> > > >>and
> > > >> >    one by Democratic Mayor James M. Cahill.
> > > >> >    > Bright, a Republican, was defeated by Cahill in the 1998
> >mayor's
> > > >> >    race and has criticized the city's Democratic government on
> >various
> > > >> >    issues, including its appointed school board.
> > > >> >    > Cahill could not be reached for comment yesterday.
> > > >> >    > Housing Authority officials said they look forward to
> >working with
> > > >> >    Bright.
> > > >> >    > "We welcome him as a commissioner to the board, and we
> >expect that
> > > >> >    he will be an integral member of the board of
> >commissioners," said
> > > >> >    Executive Director Kevin Quince.
> > > >> >    > "I welcome him. I have dealt with him on other levels,"
> >said the
> > > >> >    board's chairwoman, Beatrice B. Harris. "I'm going to
> >cooperate with
> > > >> >    him."
> > > >> >    > Bright graduated from Rutgers College with degrees in
> >mechanical
> > > >> >    engineering and physics. He serves as the chairman of the
> >city's
> > > >> >    Republican Party.
> > > >> >    > Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
> > > >> >
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"we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here 
to do better."  you compare this overture to j&j to baraka's 
demanding resources??? tho it was not we who made demands 
of "expulsion", speaking of sectarianism. we put forward our view. 
you dont need to get behind it, but you do need to unite on the basis 
of everyone states their position and opposes imperialism.

steve rogers also condemns police brutality.  tom ass clarence also 
pulled himeslf by the bootstraps.

warren defends his open public statements. why should this be dealt 
with "on the side"? why not openly, above board? warren also backs 
bright & mocks joe for being assaulted by kevin jones. he is soaries' 
registered republican protege. deny it.

why do you refer to the republican secretary of state as a "religious 
leader"? why do you hate on our shutdown of rogers' rally? why do 
hate on our protest of the nb republican party chair? we also 
protested marshall & chinchilla's trial alone & won. where was the 
coalition against police brutality?

i think it was we who informed you of rogers' rally, & the exposures 
of racist profiling continue to be successful, liberal wavering 
notwithstanding. see you in trenton may 19, if njfo/pc ever decides 
to get with it...

& who are you calling "dropout", liar? you talk like you know 
something about me. i didnt come from nutley, sonnyboy, & i aint 
suckin its teats.


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> Cliff-  Re:
> 
> "First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
> anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
> PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
> mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
> in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
> Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000
> 
> Using this formulation back up your position on Curtis shows just 
how absurd 
> it is.  You're seriously going to compare him to "Klan, Nazi, Lynch 
mob 
> underground"?!! Are you for real?  We're talking about a guy who 
beat the 
> odds growing up in NB's poor African-American community, fought off 
> substance abuse, dragged his working-class self to work every day 
struggling 
> to get by and was living in a god-damn trailer up until the 
campaign because 
> he had to, not because he was a suburban college boy drop out who 
moved to 
> the hood and thinking he was a "ghetto-kid" in Nutley (your 
words).  I've 
> heard him denounce J&J countless times in person, in meetings, in 
public 
> rallies against NB Killer Cops that HE organized, which takes a 
hell of a 
> lot more guts than it does for us being that he had to go home 
everyday and 
> face their intimidation & harassment after the crowds & cameras 
left.
> Every time Baraka came around, whether at Rutgers or to our forums, 
Curtis 
> was the first in line to talk to him and ask his sage advice.
> Always trying to improve his own neighborhoods, he was elected to 
represent 
> the people with an overwhelming percentage of votes, and for the 
first time 
> finding himself in a high pressure situation that he took extremely 
> seriously he makes a bad statement, something that could have been 
dealt 
> with in a discussion on the side, (after all, he was fully in 
support of the 
>   condition that all public positions of the candidates must be met 
with a 
> vote from the steering committee) and you want to tar-and-feather 
him as a 
> "Corporate Running Dog" who's only in it for the $ though he's 
never 
> recieved a dime?  Where do you get off with this "premeditated 
rehearsed 
> overtures to the enemy" nonsense?
> 
> Do you know that Baraka himself is constantly on Prudential in 
Newark to 
> give up resources to the community, and promotes the position that 
corporate 
> boards should be opened to the public representation?  How hard 
would it 
> have been to point out to Curtis how "working with J&J" can be 
advantageous 
> to a community lacking basic resources (as in, we liberate what 
they have 
> taken from us) versus letting them take further advantage of the 
> grass-roots.  Instead, you've egregiously assaulted his character 
and 
> motives for months.  Maybe this has more to do with why you may be 
standing 
> in front of Frank's house by yourselves on Sunday, your interesting 
excuses 
> aside, just like you brought YOURSELVES to our "successful" Rt 1 
protest of 
> Gestapo Steve Rogers's rally after scaring off our potential 
support with 
> your other PURIST, yet untactful, formulations.  So your 
declarations to 
> "Unite" behind such sectarian tendencies ring a bit hollow.
> 
> I really try to support BOL/SWORD/CDRP/ETC where I can- I thought 
your 
> Community Mural project was brilliant...I've tried to rally support 
for a 
> letter writing campaign from the PC to demand that NB drop their 
charges 
> against you and Joe (believing that I stand the most to lose from 
our 
> charges being lumped together, as mine is basically my word against 
a 
> cop's)...etc, whatever. but you make it tough when you consistantly 
shoot 
> your own efforts in the foot, like with this ongoing tirade against 
Curtis.
> 
> You Unite,
> Matthew
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: cliffsmith69@h...
> Reply-To: njfo@y...
> To: njfo@y...
> Subject: [njfo] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on 
the 
> right!
> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 18:00:30 -0000
> 
> keith,
> 
> we have included already in our press release of the sunday protest 
of
> bright the "call on nb city officials, nb housing authority, and jim
> mcgreevy, to condemn the appointment, and file federal suit to 
uphold
> mandatory resident representation."
> 
> public housing residents have already expressed their support for
> george berry's program in electing him president of the homes'
> tenants' association. our protest is designed to draw attention to 
the
> condition of nb public housing (evictions...), the federal 
requirement
> of resident representation, and bright's illegal appointment, which 
is
> being praised by the ledger & hnt.
> 
> the demand that bright support the call for elected resident rep is 
to
> break the spell he has cast over local progressives by claiming to
> support democracy & community control, as evidenced by his near
> unanimous support in these posts.
> 
> the choice of his residence is to expose enemy agents in the midst 
of
> the community, broader than the mere nbha seat. to take it right to
> the republicans at their bases in our neighborhoods. to instill
> confidence in the community that we dont have to accept these 
people.
> 
> i wouldnt expect public housing residents to immediately show at the
> rally.
> 1- those remaining downtown are on their last legs. we moved a 
family
> to wright pl. last weekend, they have more immediate concerns.
> 2- the protest is on short notice, i doubt we will be able to 
contact
>   many beforehand, which makes george st a good place 
for "agitation &
> propoganda".
> 3- this isnt really correct criterion for the success of the 
protest.
> we had 5 people march to convict marshall & chinchilla, and drew 
mass
> attention to the trial. & this will bring attention to the 
evictions.
> 
> we will be at brights residence 4pm this and every sunday until the
> 5april eviction hearing.
> 
> re: curtis-
> 
> no one can question that we supported his nomination, voted for his
> candidacy, gathered more petition signatures for his ballot req. 
than
> any other grouping, put his name on all our lit. (as within the
> peoples' campaign slate), endorsed him (as part of the slate) up &
> down. supported his public events & invited him to ours. and spilt
> blood stumping for him (which he mocks).
> 
> had curtis been an "ordinary" activist, yr criticism of our method
> would be correct. (but even the argument over method ignores the 
more
> important question of content. that is "where is njfo's or any of 
our
> critics mo' better criticism of curtis???).
> 
> however, once curtis became the representative of the campaign, the
> candidate for the community, our official spokesperson, he accepted
> sacred responsibilities. 1st & foremost, to uphold the program of 
the
> campaign.
> 
> curtis's public statements upon accepting his candidacy were not
> off-the-cuff innocent misstatements. they were premeditated,
> rehearsed, intentional overtures to the enemies of the people. once
> his vote was won, he was untouchable and took off his mask.
> 
> "we're not here to tear down the political machine, we're just here 
to
> do better."  & we will work with j&j to solve nb's problems.
> 
> this is not a "contradiction among the people". it is republican
> propoganda.  deforest soaries is not warren's "religious leader" or 
a
> "reverend" for purpose of political discussion. he is the nj
> secretary-of-state to the republican bush-whitman-difransesco 
regime.
> the republican organization lusts after nb/middlesex cty, and warren
> is their local agent within the peoples forces. warren's m/o is
> exactly soaries'.
> 
> "First it is absolutely necessary that revolutionaries and all
> anti-imperialists, radicals and progressive people UNITE in an ALL
> PEOPLES' UNITED FRONT AGAINST THE RIGHT WING & its Klan, Nazi, Lynch
> mob underground, as well as the Corporate Running Dog visible forces
> in Government, Politics, Wall St., Media, Academia, Institutions,
> Organizations!" --Amiri Baraka, U&S, April 2000
> 
> 
> --- In njfo@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
>  > Cliff,
>  >      I think that your analysis is basically correct. However, 
the
> attack on
>  > Curtis is seriously mistaken.  Again, I would refer you to 
Mao's "On
> Correct
>  > handling of the Contradictions among the People". You continually
> treat
>  > Curtis as an enemy when he has already proven himself to be a
> courageous and
>  > dedicated working class organizer. That he is mistaken when he
> defends
>  > Frank's appointment should be discussed in a spirit of unity 
using
> methods of
>  > discussion and persuasion.
>  >      NJFO shortsightedly enlisted numerous people including 
myself
> to get
>  > Frank made the chair of the Republican Party. In retrospect this 
was
> a
>  > serious mistake.This mistake has not been discussed nor its
> implications.
>  >    Frank Bright has proven himself to be a Judas and a snake in 
the
> grass.
>  > The appointment of Frank Bright is certainly a violation of 
Federal
> Law and
>  > both the Republican community affairs department and the local
> democrats can
>  > agree on one thing for sure to screw the people in this case 
public
> housing
>  > residents who have been denied representation again.
>  >      The main lesson of this past election cycle is that the 
local
> struggle
>  > can not be seperated from the national struggle and the local
> strategy and
>  > tactics must coincide with national strategy and tactics.
>  > This lesson in my opinion was learnt through struggle and 
prcatice.
> There is
>  > nothing wrong with making mistakes. Only those who don't do 
anything
> don't
>  > make mistakes. But mistakes must be corrected.
>  >
>  > I see nothing to gain by demonstaring in front of Frank's 
house.  I
> will
>  > gladly admit that I am wrong about this if public housing 
residents
> outnumber
>  > SWORD members at this demonstration, but I seriously doubt it.
>  >
>  > A lawsuit against all bodies that appoint to the housing 
authority
> combined
>  > with agiation and propaganda around the issue seems to me the 
better
> course
>  > of action. An election should be organized by public housing
> residents to
>  > choose their representaive. In that case a real alternative to 
the
> current
>  > appointees would exist. You demand that:
>  > "dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
>  > berry's call for elected resident representation."
>  > This demand reveals where you are mistaken and why the present
> course of
>  > action was chosen (a protest in front of Frank's house). We don't
> need Frank
>  > to back George Berry's demand, we need public housing residents 
in
> particular
>  > and the New Brunswick people in general to back George Berry's
> demand. Who
>  > cares what Frank Bright does? We should expect him to behave as 
the
> chair of
>  > the party that represents the greatest threat to the majority of
> people in
>  > this country. Time and energy could be much better spent 
organizing
> residents
>  > to chose their represenative and preparing to struggle to get 
that
> person on
>  > the housing authority.  This is much harder work that picketing 
in
> front of
>  > Frank's house, but it will be much more fruitful.
>  >
>  > Take care,
>  > Keith
>  >
>  >
>  > liffsmith69@h... wrote:
>  >
>  > > the nj republican state dept. of community affairs' 
appointment of
> nb
>  > > republican party chair Dim Liar to the nb housing authority 
board,
> is
>  > > more than a violation of federal law requiring resident
>  > > representation
>  > > on the board. &more than kicking the ousted projects residents
> while
>  > > theyre down.
>  > >
>  > > it is a republican party gubenatorial campaign maneuver to
> establish
>  > > a
>  > > republican stronghold, with skunk soaries & protege ("we have 
to
>  > > start
>  > > somewhere...") republican ClassWarrin,$r., in mcgreasy's 
backyard.
>  > >
>  > > the social democratic liberal posturing which put bush2 in the
> white
>  > > house locally put dim liar in the housing authority, by 
boosting
> him
>  > > &
>  > > the nb republican party.
>  > >
>  > > at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
>  > > activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
> final
>  > > executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
>  > > socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
>  > > peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair 
dim
> liar
>  > > (after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
> elected
>  > > board of education committee, on grounds that joe is a
> communist.).
>  > >
>  > > hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
> (motorcades...),
>  > > and possible victory.
>  > >
>  > > rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>  > > enlist
>  > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim 
liar
>  > > pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
>  > >
>  > > rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), 
seize
>  > > power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
> power
>  > > out of the "peoples'" campaign.
>  > >
>  > > the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive 
the
>  > > right
>  > > from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and
> isolated.
>  > >
>  > > dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
>  > > berry's call for elected resident representation.
>  > >
>  > > all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against 
remaining
>  > > projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
>  > >
>  > > skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>  > > allocated
>  > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
>  > >
>  > > protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican 
party
>  > > chair dim liar.
>  > >
>  > > republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
>  > > revolutionaries unite! with the people.
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um, i miss the twist in yr shit.

point is, you try to say bright played some progressive role in 
attacking the Democrat corruption from the right, to cover the 
njfo/pc prostitution to his office. which is to further prop him up. 

bright was a republican operative from jump. and we opposed him at 
every turn. this is true, no?

unite. not with republicans.


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> CLiff wrote:
> 
> it is incomprehensible to state that a republican operative will be 
a
> "wrench in the gears of gentrification plans". that bright worked
> "side-by-side with revolutionaries for democracy".
> 
> I never said that he worked "side by side with rev's for 
democracy" ...I 
> said  Bright was "working side by side with actual revolutionaries 
and 
> progressives ***in a united-front for peoples' democracy and 
majority 
> rule*** [before he got ousted by the people from his leadership]."
> 
> This is true, no?  Don't twist my shit to invent something impure 
to attack.
> 
> You Unite,
> Matthew
> 
> ****
> I swear to god I'm trying not to make this a Smith-Brother's 
sounding board. 
>   Can we exchange irrelevant barbs like this directly to each other 
in the 
> future as Mark suggested?
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steering committee, 1st meeting after convention:

is communism divisive? or who are the peoples' enemies?

does the peoples' campaign steering committee stand with the attempts 
by steering committee member frank bright to slander elected board of 
education campaign coordinator joe smith, to sabotage the campaign 
for an elected board of education, and to subvert the democratic vote 
of the peoples' convention?

bright, claiming to lead the democratic petty "middle" class of nb, 
having lost his challenge to smith's coordination of the peoples' 
campaign nomination of jim luceno (tho succeeding in formalizing the 
internal opposition where njfo failed in its nomination of zofia 
nowakowski) has switched in his accusing smith of "divisiveness" to 
anti-democratic methods of advancing his position.  does bright 
represent the steering committee in his attack on joe?

the people of new brunswick, understanding their condition, responded 
to our survey that the education system in new brunswick was the most 
important issue in the city.

the peoples' convention, recognizing this mandate and recognizing joe 
smith's unquestionable production toward a democratic peoples' 
education system formalized joe's leadership of this struggle placing 
him, as coordinator, on the strategic & tactical committees.

for bright, after joe's victory, to attack joe as being "divisive to 
the campaign" not only slanders joe and undermines the decision of 
the convention, but actually, from his position on hte steering 
committee, attempts to provoke attacks on the campaign and is himself 
being divisive.

to succeed, our platform must have the uncompromising support of the 
steering committee which demands that they address themselves to 
bright's accusation. no doubt the peoples' control over education 
divides most clearly the representatives of the people from the 
representatives of imperialism. to succeed, our campaign must 
establish which is which.

signed, 
cliff smith,
joe smith,
nicole engel,
angela jackson,
samantha prince

steering committee has yet to respond...

Again you have misunderstood me.  I was not mocking your brother but merely 
pointing out a fact.  The punch Kevin Jones threw was called a "sucker" punch 
and since Joe was defining "suckers" I thought it best that he knew that he 
forgot to duck from one!

I love my pastor and he is my religious leader.  The fact that I have the 
strength to believe in God and leaders who bring the message is my choice and 
I choose to protect their reputation in my circle as much as possible.

I feel about my religious leader like you feel about your sacred cause.  I am 
not the enemy.  As far as the coalition against police brutality, we are in a 
restructuring mode and we at a disadvantage to come to anyone's aide who 
might need us.

I am not going to go back and forth with you Cliff.  But I will say this.  As 
long as you continue to waste precious moments defining whether or not I am a 
true patriot of the cause, the true enemy is gaining ground and zeroing in on 
you!

Peace my brother in the struggle!

P.S. Tell Joe I'm looking for my subpoena so that I can get out of work. :)


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For the record, I am against all political actions motivated 
individually by hatred, anger, or fear.  I do not support such 
actions from the right or left or anywhere in between.  Because of 
their intrinsic nature, they cannot lead to progress.

Dearest Flavio,

Please advise the Steering Committee I am attempting to work with all groups 
in New Brunswick. To this effect, I will like to share with you the following 
policy I am going propose:

    1. No Eviction Policy: No resident will be forced to evict.  Resident 
must be fully satisfied with their move. Two reasons for this: eviction means 
the loss of all public housing rights/priviledges, relocation costs ( rule of 
thumb = $900.00)  and others. The other reason is that poor planning on the 
NBH&RA is not an emergency for residents, period. Any issues with any tenants 
shall be discussed with no more than three commissioners present. Minutes 
must be taken and approved. I respectfully request the PC to consider this 
and respond. Will they support this through attendence of 3/28 meeting, 
submit suggestions, etc.?

Please note this is a rough idea I will follow through on. The Commissioners 
may be a part of a newly formed or existing committee. I will review by laws, 
etc..

Please notify ASAP!

Frank 

That last message was meant for Flavio. 

Sorry.

>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...>
>To: "vivaohio" <vivaohio@...>, "Joe Smith" <can_bush@...>, 
>"Cliff Smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>Subject: letter to Cahill
>Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 22:45:54 -0500
>
>Cliff, Joe, Matt-
>
>I sent this to Cahill today by snail mail. I'll get his e-mail and send it 
>to him that way too about the middle of next week.
>
>Dave

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Board's compliance with rules at issue 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01 

An activist is calling for Republican Frank Bright to resign from the 
New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority board of commissioners 
only a week after Bright was appointed to the post.

Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary 
Democracy, objects because the board does not yet have a member who 
lives in public housing, as required by federal law.

The state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright.

Other than this appointment, there was one other opportunity to name a 
public-housing resident to the board since the federal law took effect 
in November 1999: The City Council reappointed Chairwoman Beatrice B. 
Harris, a former public-housing resident, in April.

Meanwhile, a review of the city clerk's files for 1998 and 1999 
revealed that only one commissioner had filed required 
financial-disclosure statements.

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: March 11, 2001

Housing-panel appointment attacked 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01 

            By SHARON WATERS
            STAFF WRITER

NEW BRUNSWICK: A radical activist is protesting the recent appointment 
of Frank Bright to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority 
board of commissioners, calling the designation a "political 
maneuver."

Last week, the state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright, 
a Republican activist who has criticized the city's Democratic 
leadership and ran unsuccessfully against Mayor James M. Cahill in 
1998.

Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary 
Democracy, wants Bright to resign and for city officials and the 
Housing Authority to condemn the appointment.

He objects because a federal regulation, which took effect in November 
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board and none 
has been appointed.

Bright has no plans to resign and said because the commissioners are 
not elected, they are political appointments. "There's no dodging that 
issue," he said.

Appointment defendedWhen asked about Smith's charges, DCA spokesmen 
said the DCA believes Bright will make an excellent commissioner, work 
hard to serve the city and provide new ideas and leadership to the 
Housing Authority.

"There was a determination made that this was the best candidate for 
the position," said spokesman E.J. Miranda.

The DCA declined to say how many candidates were considered, whether 
Bright was recommended or nominated himself, and whether the DCA 
interviewed Bright.

"A bunch of different people" recommended him, said Bright, noting he 
also recommended himself. Bright said he has talked to DCA staff for 
three years about Housing Authority issues and had asked how 
commissioners are appointed.

Bright asked around the city to see if anyone was interested in 
serving but then "about a dozen prominent activists and community    
leaders" said he should be the commissioner, Bright said. He would not 
name who they are, saying people "don't need to know my support 
structure."

Bright then approached Dennis Little, chairman of the Middlesex County 
GOP Organization. Little said Bright applied, and he sent only 
Bright's name to Trenton.

Little said Bright is dedicated to New Brunswick and is capable of 
doing the job. But Mayor James M. Cahill, who said the city had no 
idea the state was considering Bright, said he would not have selected 
Bright "because of a lack of qualifications."

Saying Bright "has had a tendency to be disruptive and combative," 
Cahill said he was not familiar with what experience Bright would 
bring to the table except a political background as chairman of New 
Brunswick's Republican Party.

Little answered, "Bet you if (Bright) had 'Democrat' after his name, 
he'd be qualified."

Bright provided a resume showing experience in mechanical engineering, 
contract negotiations, construction layout and design, equipment 
inspection and welding. He has degrees in mechanical engineering and 
physics and currently designs explosive bolts for Cartridge Actuated 
Devices in Fairfield, NJ.

Besides the DCA appointment, the mayor appoints one Housing Authority 
commissioner and the City Council appoints five.

Resumes not suppliedThe commissioners appointed by Cahill and the 
council were asked by a reporter last month to provide copies of their 
resumes or work and volunteer experience. They declined the request 
but had the Housing Authority Attorney James Horvath provide a list of 
their current employer and "special experience." (Commissioner James 
Scott later provided a resume.)

For the council's appointments, the list stated: Chairwoman Beatrice 
B. Harris is retired and a former public-housing resident; Scott is a 
self-employed consultant and former Housing Authority executive 
director with experience with HUD rules and regulations; Jerry Mercado 
works for Horizon Blue Cross/Blue Shield and has marketing and 
scholarship-program experience; Anthony Giorgianni is an iron worker 
with construction-management experience; Richard Kolesar works for US 
Securities Association, is a member of a plumber's union and has 
experience in construction trades and union-labor relations.

The mayor's appointment, Yirgu Wolde, works for NJ Home & Mortgage 
Finance Agency with experience in housing management and 
administration and the financing of affordable housing, according to 
the list.

The commissioners declined to say how they were selected and whether 
they were interviewed for the positions.

When asked why he appointed Wolde, Cahill provided an extensive list 
of Wolde's past job duties and experience with HMFA and other 
employers including processing special-needs housing requests, 
preparing grant proposals and overseeing transitional-housing 
programs. Wolde, with two master's degrees, also has reviewed, 
processed and allocated low-income housing tax-credit applications, 
Cahill said.

Cahill said he discussed the position and Housing Authority programs 
with Wolde, whom he has known for over 10 years.

Council members Joseph B. Schrum, Joseph V. Egan and Blanquita Valenti 
said the council reviews resumes and selects the most qualified 
candidates.

"We ran it by the mayor, of course, and we thought they were the best 
available candidates at the time," said Valenti, who spoke to four of 
the five appointees beforehand.

The makeup of the Housing Authority board is reflective of areas of 
importance needed in a housing-management team, said Cahill, adding 
the members' race and ethnicity mirror the city's population.

Board needs residentsThere have been two chances to appoint a 
public-housing resident to the board since the law went into effect in 
November 1999 - a council appointment in April 2000 when Harris was 
reappointed and DCA's appointment of Bright this month.

A DCA spokesman reiterated the department's belief Bright will make a 
good candidate when asked about the resident requirement.

Cahill said he couldn't speak for the council but noted there are 
"ample reasons" to have selected Harris again. He did not know why the 
council didn't pick a resident but said he has talked to the council 
about the legal requirement.

Scott's appointment expires next month, but Cahill would not speak for 
council members about whom they might appoint. Cahill said he did not 
have any problems with Scott's performance as a commissioner.

Cahill said the federal HOPE VI project is an additional 
responsibility to the commissioners' tasks of managing existing 
properties and being commissioners of a redevelopment agency.

"They do a fine job under existing difficult circumstances," Cahill 
said. 

            Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail: swaters@....

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: March 11, 2001

GO FRANK GO FRANK! Please stay safe and take care. Curtis L.


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This and the next two emails contain some materials on public housing 
to study.  Each of these statutes was amended effective October 21, 
1998 by various provisions of Pub. L. 105-276.

This statute contains the requirement for board membership by a 
resident.

42 U.S.C. � 1437

(b) Public housing agency organization

  (1) Required membership

Except as provided in paragraph (2), the membership of the board of 
directors or similar governing body of each public housing agency 
shall contain not less than 1 member--

(A) who is directly assisted by the public housing agency; and

(B) who may, if provided for in the public housing agency plan, be 
elected by the residents directly assisted by the public housing 
agency.

  (2) Exception

Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any public housing agency--

(A) that is located in a State that requires the members of the board 
of directors or similar governing body of a public housing agency to 
be salaried and to serve on a full-time basis; or

(B) with less than 300 public housing units, if--

(i) the agency has provided reasonable notice to the resident 
advisory board of the opportunity of not less than 1 resident 
described in paragraph 

(1) to serve on the board of directors or similar governing body of 
the public housing agency pursuant to such paragraph; and

(ii) within a reasonable time after receipt by the resident advisory 
board established by the agency pursuant to section 1437c-1(e) of 
this title of notice under clause (i), the public housing agency has 
not been notified of the intention of any resident to participate on 
the board of directors.

This statute contains the requirement for public housing agency 
plans.  Whoever has the current 5-year agency plan for New Brunswick 
that was due 10/1/99, and the most recent annual plan, please speak 
up.  I am especially interest in its contents regarding � (d)(8)(B) 
and (d)(10) of the statute.  Note also subsection (e), which contains 
substantially ineffective plans for resident advisory boards.  

In addition, since the statute contemplates the potential for adverse 
interests between resident advisory board and board of directors, I 
am left to inquire: why does the RAB not have funds for its own 
attorneys?  Should this not be asked of the NBH&RA?

42 U.S.C.A. � 1437c-1

� 1437c-1. Public housing agency plans

(a) 5-year plan

  (1) In general

Subject to paragraph (2), not less than once every 5 fiscal years, 
each public housing agency shall submit to the Secretary a plan that 
includes, with respect to the 5 fiscal years immediately following 
the date on which the plan is submitted--

(A) a statement of the mission of the public housing agency for 
serving the needs of low-income and very low-income families in the 
jurisdiction of the public housing agency during such fiscal years; 
and

(B) a statement of the goals and objectives of the public housing 
agency that will enable the public housing agency to serve the needs 
identified pursuant to subparagraph (A) during those fiscal years.

  (2) Initial plan

The initial 5-year plan submitted by a public housing agency under 
this subsection shall be submitted for the 5-year period beginning on 
October 1, 1999, or the first fiscal year thereafter for which the 
public housing agency initially receives assistance under this 
chapter.


(b) Annual plan

  (1) In general

Effective beginning upon October 1, 1999, each public housing agency 
shall submit to the Secretary an annual public housing agency plan 
under this subsection for each fiscal year for which the public 
housing agency receives assistance under section 1437f(o) or 1437g of 
this title.

  (2) Updates


For each fiscal year after the initial submission of an annual plan 
under this subsection by a public housing agency, the public housing 
agency may comply with requirements for submission of a plan under 
this subsection by submitting an update of the plan for the fiscal 
year.

(c) Procedures

  (1) In general

The Secretary shall establish requirements and procedures for 
submission and review of plans, including requirements for timing and 
form of submission, and for the contents of such plans.

  (2) Contents

The procedures established under paragraph (1) shall provide that a 
public housing agency shall--
(A) in developing the plan consult with the resident advisory board 
established under subsection (e); and

(B) ensure that the plan under this section is consistent with the 
applicable comprehensive housing affordability strategy (or any 
consolidated plan incorporating such strategy) for the jurisdiction 
in which the public housing agency is located, in accordance with 
title I of the Cranston- Gonzalez National Affordable Housing Act, 
and contains a certification by the appropriate State or local 
official that the plan meets the requirements of this paragraph and a 
description of the manner in which the applicable contents of the 
public housing agency plan are consistent with the comprehensive 
housing affordability strategy.

(d) Contents

An annual public housing agency plan under subsection (b) for a 
public housing  agency shall contain the following information 
relating to the upcoming fiscal year for which the assistance under 
this chapter is to be made available:


  (1) Needs


A statement of the housing needs of low-income and very low-income 
families residing in the jurisdiction served by the public housing 
agency, and of other low-income and very low-income families on the 
waiting list of the agency (including housing needs of elderly 
families and disabled families), and the means by which the public 
housing agency intends, to the maximum extent practicable, to address 
those needs.

  (2) Financial resources

A statement of financial resources available to the agency and the 
planned uses of those resources.

  (3) Eligibility, selection, and admissions policies

A statement of the policies governing eligibility, selection, 
admissions (including any preferences), assignment, and occupancy of 
families with respect to public housing dwelling units and housing 
assistance under section 1437(f) of this title, including--

(A) the procedures for maintaining waiting lists for admissions to 
public housing projects of the agency, which may include a system of 
site-based waiting lists under section 1437d(r) of this title; and

(B) the admissions policy under section 1437n(a)(3)(B) of this title 
for deconcentration of lower-income families.

  (4) Rent determination

A statement of the policies of the public housing agency governing 
rents charged for public housing dwelling units and rental 
contributions of families assisted under section 1437f(o) of this 
title.

  (5) Operation and management

A statement of the rules, standards, and policies of the public 
housing agency governing maintenance and management of housing owned, 
assisted, or operated by the public housing agency (which shall 
include measures necessary for the prevention or eradication of pest 
infestation, including by cockroaches), and management of the public 
housing agency and programs of the public housing agency.

  (6) Grievance procedure

A statement of the grievance procedures of the public housing agency.

  (7) Capital improvements

With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated 
by the public housing agency, a plan describing the capital 
improvements necessary to ensure long-term physical and social 
viability of the projects.

  (8) Demolition and disposition

With respect to public housing projects owned by the public housing 
agency--

(A) a description of any housing for which the PHA will apply for 
demolition or disposition under section 1437p of this title; and

(B) a timetable for the demolition or disposition.

  (9) Designation of housing for elderly and disabled families

With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated 
by the public housing agency, a description of any projects (or 
portions thereof) that the public housing agency has designated or 
will apply for designation for occupancy by elderly and disabled 
families in accordance with section 1437e of this title.

  (10) Conversion of public housing

With respect to public housing owned by a public housing agency--

(A) a description of any building or buildings that the public 
housing agency is required to convert to tenant-based assistance 
under section 1437z- 5 of this title or that the public housing 
agency plans to voluntarily convert under section 1437t of this title;

(B) an analysis of the projects or buildings required to be converted 
under section 1437z-5 of this title; and

(C) a statement of the amount of assistance received under this 
chapter to be used for rental assistance or other housing assistance 
in connection with such conversion.

  (11) Homeownership

A description of any homeownership programs of the agency under 
section 1437f(y) or for which the public housing agency has applied 
or will apply for approval under section 1437z of this title.

  (12) Community service and self-sufficiency

A description of--

(A) any programs relating to services and amenities provided or 
offered to assisted families;

(B) any policies or programs of the public housing agency for the 
enhancement of the economic and social self-sufficiency of assisted 
families;

(C) how the public housing agency will comply with the requirements 
of subsections (c) and (d) of section 1437j of this title (relating 
to community service and treatment of income changes resulting from 
welfare program requirements).

(13) Safety and crime prevention

A plan established by the public housing agency, which shall be 
subject to the following requirements:

    (A) Safety measures

The plan shall provide, on a project-by-project or jurisdiction-wide 
basis, for measures to ensure the safety of public housing residents.

    (B) Establishment

The plan shall be established in consultation with the police officer 
or officers in command for the appropriate precinct or police 
department.

    (C) Content

The plan shall describe the need for measures to ensure the safety of 
public housing residents and for crime prevention measures, describe 
any such activities conducted or to be conducted by the agency, and 
provide for coordination between the agency and the appropriate 
police precincts for carrying out such measures and activities.

    (D) Secretarial action

If the Secretary determines, at any time, that the security needs of 
a project are not being adequately addressed by the plan, or that the 
local police precinct is not complying with the plan, the Secretary 
may mediate between the public housing agency and the local precinct 
to resolve any issues of conflict.

  (14) Pets

The requirements of the agency, pursuant to section 31, relating to 
pet ownership in public housing.

  (15) Civil rights certification

A certification by the public housing agency that the public housing 
agency will carry out the public housing agency plan in conformity 
with title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Fair Housing Act, 
section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and title II of the 
Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and will affirmatively 
further fair housing.

  (16) Annual audit

The results of the most recent fiscal year audit of the public 
housing agency under section 1437c(h)(2) of this title.

  (17) Asset management

A statement of how the agency will carry out its asset management 
functions with respect to the public housing inventory of the agency, 
including how the agency will plan for the long-term operating, 
capital investment, rehabilitation, modernization, disposition, and 
other needs for such inventory.

  (18) Other

Any other information required by law to be included in a public 
housing agency plan.

(e) Resident advisory board

  (1) In general

Except as provided in paragraph (3), each public housing agency shall 
establish 1 or more resident advisory boards in accordance with this 
subsection, the membership of which shall adequately reflect and 
represent the residents assisted by the public housing agency.

  (2) Functions

Each resident advisory board established under this subsection by a 
public housing agency shall assist and make recommendations regarding 
the development of the public housing agency plan for the agency. The 
agency shall consider the recommendations of the resident advisory 
boards in preparing the final public housing agency plan, and shall 
include, in the public housing agency plan submitted to the Secretary 
under this section, a copy of the recommendations and a description 
of the manner in which the recommendations were addressed.

  (3) Waiver

The Secretary may waive the requirements of this subsection with 
respect to the establishment of resident advisory boards for a public 
housing agency if the agency demonstrates to the satisfaction of the 
Secretary that there exist resident councils or other resident 
organizations of the public housing agency that--

(A) adequately represent the interests of the residents of the public 
housing agency; and

(B) have the ability to perform the functions described in paragraph 
(2).


(f) Notice and hearing [FN1]

  (1) In general

In developing a public housing agency plan under this section, the 
board of directors or similar governing body of a public housing 
agency shall conduct a public hearing to discuss the public housing 
agency plan and to invite public comment regarding that plan. The 
hearing shall be conducted at a location that is convenient to 
residents.

  (2) Availability of information and notice

Not later than 45 days before the date of a hearing conducted under 
paragraph (1), the public housing agency shall--

(A) make the proposed public housing agency plan and all information 
relevant to the hearing and proposed plan available for inspection by 
the public at the principal office of the public housing agency 
during normal business hours; and

(B) publish a notice informing the public that--

(i) that the information is available as required under subparagraph 
(A); and

(ii) that a public hearing under paragraph (1) will be conducted.

  (3) Adoption of plan

A public housing agency may adopt a public housing agency plan and 
submit the plan to the Secretary in accordance with this section only 
after--

(A) conducting a public hearing under paragraph (1);

(B) considering all public comments received; and

(C) making any appropriate changes in the public housing agency plan, 
in consultation with the resident advisory board.

  (4) Advisory board consultation enforcement

Pursuant to a written request made by the resident advisory board for 
a public housing agency that documents a failure on the part of the 
agency to provide adequate notice and opportunity for comment under 
this subsection and a finding by the Secretary of good cause within 
the time period provided for in subsection (i)(4), the Secretary may 
require the public housing agency to adequately remedy such failure 
before final approval of the public housing agency plan under this 
section.

(g) Amendments and modifications to plans

(1) In general

Except as provided in paragraph (2), nothing in this section shall 
preclude a public housing agency, after submitting a plan to the 
Secretary in accordance with this section, from amending or modifying 
any policy, rule, regulation, or plan of the public housing agency, 
except that a significant amendment or modification may not--

(A) be adopted, other than at a duly called meeting of board of 
directors (or similar governing body) of the public housing agency 
that is open to the public; and

(B) be implemented, until notification of the amendment or 
modification is provided to the Secretary and approved in accordance 
with subsection (i).

  (2) Consistency and notice

Each significant amendment or modification to a public housing agency 
plan submitted to the Secretary under this section shall--

(A) meet the requirements under subsection (c)(2) (relating to 
consultation with resident advisory board and consistency with 
comprehensive housing affordability strategies); and

(B) be subject to the notice and public hearing requirements of 
subsection (f).

(h) Submission of plans

  (1) Initial submission

Each public housing agency shall submit the initial plan required by 
this section, and any amendment or modification to the initial plan, 
to the Secretary at such time and in such form as the Secretary shall 
require.

  (2) Annual submission

Not later than 75 days before the start of the fiscal year of the 
public housing agency, after submission of the initial plan required 
by this section in accordance with subparagraph (A), each public 
housing agency shall annually submit to the Secretary a plan update, 
including any amendments or modifications to the public housing 
agency plan.

(i) Review and determination of compliance

  (1) Review

Subject to paragraph (2), after submission of the public housing 
agency plan or any amendment or modification to the plan to the 
Secretary, to the extent that the Secretary considers such action to 
be necessary to make determinations under this paragraph, the 
Secretary shall review the public housing agency plan (including any 
amendments or modifications thereto) and determine whether the 
contents of the plan--

(A) set forth the information required by this section and this Act 
to be contained in a public housing agency plan;

(B) are consistent with information and data available to the 
Secretary, including the approved comprehensive housing affordability 
strategy under title I of the Cranston-Gonzalez National Affordable 
Housing Act for the jurisdiction in which the public housing agency 
is located; and

(C) are not prohibited by or inconsistent with any provision of this 
subchapter or other applicable law.

(2) Elements exempted from review

The Secretary may, by regulation, provide that one or more elements 
of a public housing agency plan shall be reviewed only if the element 
is challenged, except that the Secretary shall review the information 
submitted in each plan pursuant to paragraphs (3)(B), (8), and (15) 
of subsection (d).

  (3) Disapproval

The Secretary may disapprove a public housing agency plan (or any 
amendment or modification thereto) only if Secretary determines that 
the contents of the plan (or amendment or modification) do not comply 
with the requirements under subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph 
(1).

  (4) Determination of compliance

    (A) In general

Except as provided in subsection (j)(2), not later than 75 days after 
the date on which a public housing agency plan is submitted in 
accordance with this section, the Secretary shall make the 
determination under paragraph (1) and provide written notice to the 
public housing agency if the plan has been disapproved. If the 
Secretary disapproves the plan, the notice shall state with 
specificity the reasons for the disapproval.

    (B) Failure to provide notice of disapproval

In the case of a plan disapproved, if the Secretary does not provide 
notice of disapproval under subparagraph (A) before the expiration of 
the period described in subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall be 
considered, for purposes of this chapter, to have made a 
determination that the plan complies with the requirements under this 
section and the agency shall be considered to have been notified of 
compliance upon the expiration of such period. The preceding sentence 
shall not preclude judicial review regarding such compliance pursuant 
to chapter 7 of Title 5, [5 U.S.C.A. � 701 et seq.], or an action 
regarding such compliance under section 1979 of the Revised Statutes 
of the United States (42 U.S.C. 1983).

  (5) Public availability

A public housing agency shall make the approved plan of the agency 
available to the general public.

(j) Troubled and at-risk PHAs

  (1) In general

The Secretary may require, for each public housing agency that is at 
risk of being designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of 
this title or is designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of 
this title, that the public housing agency plan for such agency 
include such additional information as the Secretary determines to be 
appropriate, in accordance with such standards as the Secretary may 
establish or in accordance with such determinations as the Secretary 
may make on an agency-by-agency basis.

  (2) Troubled agencies

The Secretary shall provide explicit written approval or disapproval, 
in a timely manner, for a public housing agency plan submitted by any 
public housing agency designated by the Secretary as a troubled 
public housing agency under section 1437d(j)(2) of this title.

(k) Streamlined plan

In carrying out this section, the Secretary may establish a 
streamlined public housing agency plan for--

(A) public housing agencies that are determined by the Secretary to 
be high performing public housing agencies;

(B) public housing agencies with less than 250 public housing units 
that have not been designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) 
of this title; and

(C) public housing agencies that only administer tenant-based 
assistance and that do not own or operate public housing.


(l) Compliance with plan

  (1) In general

In providing assistance under this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. � 1437 et 
seq.], a public housing agency shall comply with the rules, 
standards, and policies established in the public housing agency plan 
of the public housing agency approved under this section.

  (2) Investigation and enforcement

In carrying out this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. � 1437 et seq.], the 
Secretary shall--

(A) provide an appropriate response to any complaint concerning 
noncompliance by a public housing agency with the applicable public 
housing agency plan; and

(B) if the Secretary determines, based on a finding of the Secretary 
or other information available to the Secretary, that a public 
housing agency is not complying with the applicable public housing 
agency plan, take such actions as the Secretary determines to be 
appropriate to ensure such compliance.

Lastly, please see this statute.  In light of what I have been 
reading in the papers, I wonder whether sec. (d) is being observed?  
Any comments from those who may know?

Thanks for your comments and assistance.

Flavio L. Komuves
General Counsel, NBPC



� 1437z-4. Resident homeownership programs




(a) In general


A public housing agency may carry out a homeownership program in 
accordance with this section and the public housing agency plan of 
the agency to make public housing dwelling units, public housing 
projects, and other housing projects available for purchase by low-
income families for use only as principal residences for such 
families. An agency may transfer a unit pursuant to a homeownership 
program only if the program is authorized under this section 

and approved by the Secretary.


(b) Participating units


A program under this section may cover any existing public housing 
dwelling units or projects, and may include other dwelling units and 
housing owned, assisted, or operated, or otherwise acquired for use 
under such program, by the public housing agency.


(c) Eligible purchasers



  (1) Low-income requirement


Only low-income families assisted by a public housing agency, other 
low- income families, and entities formed to facilitate such sales by 
purchasing units for resale to low-income families shall be eligible 
to purchase housing under a homeownership program under this section.


  (2) Other requirements





A public housing agency may establish other requirements or 
limitations for families to purchase housing under a homeownership 
program under this section, including requirements or limitations 
regarding employment or participation in employment counseling or 
training activities, criminal activity, participation in 
homeownership counseling programs, evidence of regular income, and 
other requirements. In the case of purchase by an entity for resale 
to low-income families, the entity shall sell the units to low-income 
families within 5 years from the date of its acquisition of the 
units. The entity shall use any net proceeds from the resale and from 
managing the units, as determined in accordance with guidelines of 
the Secretary, for housing purposes, such as funding resident 
organizations and reserves for capital replacements.


(d) Right of first refusal


In making any sale under this section, the public housing agency 
shall initially offer the public housing unit at issue to the 
resident or residents occupying that unit, if any, or to an 
organization serving as a conduit for sales to any such resident.




(e) Protection of nonpurchasing residents


If a public housing resident does not exercise the right of first 
refusal under subsection (d) with respect to the public housing unit 
in which the resident resides, the public housing agency--

(1) shall notify the resident residing in the unit 90 days prior to 
the displacement date except in cases of imminent threat to health or 
safety, consistent with any guidelines issued by the Secretary 
governing such notifications, that--

(A) the public housing unit will be sold;

(B) the transfer of possession of the unit will occur until the 
resident is relocated; and

(C) each resident displaced by such action will be offered comparable 
housing--

(i) that meets housing quality standards;

(ii) that is located in an area that is generally not less desirable 
than the location of the displaced resident's housing; and

(iii) which may include--

(I) tenant-based assistance, except that the requirement under this 
subclause regarding offering of comparable housing shall be fulfilled 
by 


use of tenant-based assistance only upon the relocation of such 
resident into such housing;

(II) project-based assistance; or

(III) occupancy in a unit owned, operated, or assisted by the public 
housing agency at a rental rate paid by the resident that is 
comparable to the rental rate applicable to the unit from which the 
resident is vacated;

(2) shall provide for the payment of the actual and reasonable 
relocation expenses of the resident to be displaced;

(3) shall ensure that the displaced resident is offered comparable 
housing in accordance with the notice under paragraph (1);

(4) shall provide any necessary counseling for the displaced 
resident; and

(5) shall not transfer possession of the unit until the resident is 
relocated.


(f) Financing and assistance


A homeownership program under this section may provide financing for 
acquisition of housing by families purchasing under the program, or 
for acquisition of housing by the public housing agency for sale 
under the program, in any manner considered appropriate by the agency 
(including sale to a 

resident management corporation).


(g) Downpayment requirement



  (1) In general


Each family purchasing housing under a homeownership program under 
this section shall be required to provide from its own resources a 
downpayment in connection with any loan for acquisition of the 
housing, in an amount determined by the public housing agency. Except 
as provided in paragraph (2), the agency shall permit the family to 
use grant amounts, gifts from relatives, contributions from private 
sources, and similar amounts as downpayment amounts in such purchase.


  (2) Direct family contribution


In purchasing housing pursuant to this section, each family shall 
contribute an amount of the downpayment, from resources of the family 
other than grants, gifts, contributions, or other similar amounts 
referred to in paragraph (1), 


that is not less than 1 percent of the purchase price.


(h) Ownership interests


A homeownership program under this section may provide for sale to 
the purchasing family of any ownership interest that the public 
housing agency considers appropriate under the program, including 
ownership in fee simple, a condominium interest, an interest in a 
limited dividend cooperative, a shared appreciation interest with a 
public housing agency providing financing.


(i) Resale



  (1) Authority and limitation


A homeownership program under this section shall permit the resale of 
a dwelling unit purchased under the program by an eligible family, 
but shall provide such limitations on resale as the agency considers 
appropriate (whether the family purchases directly from the agency or 
from another entity) for the agency to recapture--


(A) some or all of the economic gain derived from any such resale 
occurring during the 5-year period beginning upon purchase of the 
dwelling unit by the eligible family; and

(B) after the expiration of such 5-year period, only such amounts as 
are equivalent to the assistance provided under this section by the 
agency to the purchaser.


  (2) Considerations


The limitations referred to in paragraph (1)(A) may provide for 
consideration of the aggregate amount of assistance provided under 
the program to the family, the contribution to equity provided by the 
purchasing eligible family, the period of time elapsed between 
purchase under the homeownership program and resale, the reason for 
resale, any improvements to the property made by the eligible family, 
any appreciation in the value of the property, and any other factors 
that the agency considers appropriate.


(j) Net proceeds


The net proceeds of any sales under a homeownership program under 
this section 


remaining after payment of all costs of the sale shall be used for 
purposes relating to low-income housing and in accordance with the 
public housing agency plan of the agency carrying out the program.


(k) Homeownership assistance


From amounts distributed to a public housing agency under the Capital 
Fund under section 1437g(d) of this title, or from other income 
earned by the public housing agency, the public housing agency may 
provide assistance to public housing residents to facilitate the 
ability of those residents to purchase a principal residence, 
including a residence other than a residence located in a public 
housing project.


(l) Inapplicability of disposition requirements


The provisions of section 1437p of this title shall not apply to 
disposition of public housing dwelling units under a homeownership 
program under this section.

Did anyone pick up a copy of the Hazard Watch info distributed at the last mtg?  Please let me know (***dont reply all).  Thanks!!

Zofia

Come one, come all women!

Women's caucus will be meeting this Saturday, at 1pm, at 72 Welton Street.  One major event will be the election of a caucus representative to the steering committee (We hope you will seriously consider your candidacy).  After the meeting, we are hoping to discuss our contibution to ARTHOUSE for Women's History Month.

This article from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by shorepaulie@....

Israel continues to strangle the Palestinians, any questions?

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Sharon Blockades a Palestinian Center in the West Bank


By JOEL GREENBERG

RAMALLAH, West Bank, March 12 � The Israeli Army today sealed off
this city, the unofficial seat of government of the Palestinian
Authority in the West Bank, blocking roads with trenches, mounds of
earth and checkpoints backed by tanks and armored troop carriers.

 It was the first action against the Palestinians by the newly
inaugurated government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the most
severe blockade imposed by the Israelis on this community of
60,000, a major commercial and cultural center.

 Palestinian officials condemned the action as an escalation of
Israeli tactics against the Palestinian uprising. The measure set
off violent protests at one roadblock, where a Palestinian was
killed by Israeli troops.

 Mr. Sharon denied that the blockade represented a new policy,
asserting that it was imposed to foil a car bombing in Jerusalem
after members of a group plotting the attack were arrested and
there were indications that others were still at large.

 However the blockade, which disrupted the lives of tens of
thousands of people, drew criticism from some members of Mr.
Sharon's cabinet, and Palestinians called it collective punishment.

 Mr. Sharon asserted today that his security policy was directed
"against those who attack and those behind them" while "easing
things as much as possible for most of the population."

 "In areas where there is quiet, all easings of restrictions will
be granted," Mr. Sharon said. "In other places, where there is
danger of an attack on Israeli citizens, all appropriate measures
will be taken." 

 In that vein, Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer announced that
he had ordered the lifting of less stringent blockades imposed by
the previous Israeli government on four other West Bank cities:
Bethlehem, Hebron, Tulkarm and Qalqilya.

 Mr. Ben-Eliezer said he had no intention of closing off the West
Bank and Gaza Strip "like ghettos" and wanted a speedy lifting of
border closings that have prevented Palestinians from working in
Israel.

 However, information received on a suspected attack from this area
left no choice but to keep it sealed off, Mr. Ben-Eliezer said. 

 Some members of Mr. Sharon's cabinet warned that the blockade
policy could prove to be a boomerang. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres
said that the policy should be "reassessed," and Science and
Culture Minister Matan Vilnai, a former general, warned that, "If
the dosage is too high, it could lead to serious results."

 Palestinians voiced similar warnings here today. Long lines of
cars snaked back from checkpoints as Palestinians young and old,
some lugging bags and packages, walked around barriers after they
were unable to ride through.

 At a roadblock near the Kalandia refugee camp, a young man
supported his elderly father as he shuffled toward the checkpoint.
Another man holding an infant said he had waited four hours to get
across the barrier so he could take the baby to a doctor.

 On a severed road between this city and villages to the north, a
stream of Palestinians clambered over rocks down into a valley in
order to get around trenches and mounds of earth. An Israeli tank
and an army bulldozer were positioned on a hill overlooking the
road as groups of youths threw stones and Israeli border police
officers responded with tear gas. 

 The clashes erupted when hundreds of protesters marching from this
city used a bulldozer to remove an earth barricade and fill a
trench. Soldiers responded with tear gas and rubber-coated bullets.
A Palestinian was killed when he was struck by what witnesses and
hospital officials described as a live round.

 "This is the beginning of the battle, not the end of it, and the
war needs the effort of every single Arab," Yasir Abed Rabo, the
Palestinian information minister, said the demonstrators before the
clashes began.

 Inside the city, traffic was light and some streets were nearly
empty. Grocers said they had not received food shipments, teachers
from neighboring communities failed to arrive at local schools, and
doctors and nurses living outside the city were unable to reach
hospitals here.

 Fida Safi, a taxi driver, sat in a line of vehicles behind one
checkpoint. A resident of the Jalazun refugee camp outside
Ramallah, Mr. Safi said he had been trying for hours without
success to get into the city from different directions, and had yet
to take a single fare.

 "This is difficult, difficult, extremely difficult," he said,
before he was turned back yet again. "It will lead to an explosion.
People will do anything to feed their children." 


 Criticism From U.S.
 WASHINGTON, March 12, (Reuters) � The United
States criticized Israel today for restrictions it had placed on
Palestinians, and disputed Israel's argument that closing off
Palestinian towns helped provide security for Israelis.

 The State Department also rebuffed an Arab request that the United
Nations protect the Palestinians, saying Israel would need to
approve any protection force.

 Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, who spoke to Israel's prime
minister, Ariel Sharon, over the weekend about the violence between
Israelis and Palestinians, has told Mr. Sharon that measures that
affect the Palestinian economy can backfire by producing
frustration and violence.   
            
          
     
      
 
 
 
   
     


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curtis, and all, is REPUBLICAN frank the example you suggest with your 
platform of community control (over housing)? or do you not care about the 
platform, and the people of NB, that you all claim i violated when i was 
expelled from people's campaign?

joe

Tenants Rights Now! Republicans in the Garbage Can!

Defeat the New Brunswick Bush! Can_Bright!

can_bush@...


>From: citruswar@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Re: NBH&RA
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:07:42 EST
>
>GO FRANK GO FRANK! Please stay safe and take care. Curtis L.
>
>
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how can i get njfo's position on the selection of bright to housing 
authority?

joe

radical activist?


From: wacbush01@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] partII
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:18:27 -0000

Housing-panel appointment attacked

             Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01

             By SHARON WATERS
             STAFF WRITER

NEW BRUNSWICK: A radical activist is protesting the recent appointment
of Frank Bright to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority
board of commissioners, calling the designation a "political
maneuver."

Last week, the state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright,
a Republican activist who has criticized the city's Democratic
leadership and ran unsuccessfully against Mayor James M. Cahill in
1998.

Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary
Democracy, wants Bright to resign and for city officials and the
Housing Authority to condemn the appointment.

He objects because a federal regulation, which took effect in November
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board and none
has been appointed.

Bright has no plans to resign and said because the commissioners are
not elected, they are political appointments. "There's no dodging that
issue," he said.

Appointment defendedWhen asked about Smith's charges, DCA spokesmen
said the DCA believes Bright will make an excellent commissioner, work
hard to serve the city and provide new ideas and leadership to the
Housing Authority.

"There was a determination made that this was the best candidate for
the position," said spokesman E.J. Miranda.

The DCA declined to say how many candidates were considered, whether
Bright was recommended or nominated himself, and whether the DCA
interviewed Bright.

"A bunch of different people" recommended him, said Bright, noting he
also recommended himself. Bright said he has talked to DCA staff for
three years about Housing Authority issues and had asked how
commissioners are appointed.

Bright asked around the city to see if anyone was interested in
serving but then "about a dozen prominent activists and community
leaders" said he should be the commissioner, Bright said. He would not
name who they are, saying people "don't need to know my support
structure."

Bright then approached Dennis Little, chairman of the Middlesex County
GOP Organization. Little said Bright applied, and he sent only
Bright's name to Trenton.

Little said Bright is dedicated to New Brunswick and is capable of
doing the job. But Mayor James M. Cahill, who said the city had no
idea the state was considering Bright, said he would not have selected
Bright "because of a lack of qualifications."

Saying Bright "has had a tendency to be disruptive and combative,"
Cahill said he was not familiar with what experience Bright would
bring to the table except a political background as chairman of New
Brunswick's Republican Party.

Little answered, "Bet you if (Bright) had 'Democrat' after his name,
he'd be qualified."

Bright provided a resume showing experience in mechanical engineering,
contract negotiations, construction layout and design, equipment
inspection and welding. He has degrees in mechanical engineering and
physics and currently designs explosive bolts for Cartridge Actuated
Devices in Fairfield, NJ.

Besides the DCA appointment, the mayor appoints one Housing Authority
commissioner and the City Council appoints five.

Resumes not suppliedThe commissioners appointed by Cahill and the
council were asked by a reporter last month to provide copies of their
resumes or work and volunteer experience. They declined the request
but had the Housing Authority Attorney James Horvath provide a list of
their current employer and "special experience." (Commissioner James
Scott later provided a resume.)

For the council's appointments, the list stated: Chairwoman Beatrice
B. Harris is retired and a former public-housing resident; Scott is a
self-employed consultant and former Housing Authority executive
director with experience with HUD rules and regulations; Jerry Mercado
works for Horizon Blue Cross/Blue Shield and has marketing and
scholarship-program experience; Anthony Giorgianni is an iron worker
with construction-management experience; Richard Kolesar works for US
Securities Association, is a member of a plumber's union and has
experience in construction trades and union-labor relations.

The mayor's appointment, Yirgu Wolde, works for NJ Home & Mortgage
Finance Agency with experience in housing management and
administration and the financing of affordable housing, according to
the list.

The commissioners declined to say how they were selected and whether
they were interviewed for the positions.

When asked why he appointed Wolde, Cahill provided an extensive list
of Wolde's past job duties and experience with HMFA and other
employers including processing special-needs housing requests,
preparing grant proposals and overseeing transitional-housing
programs. Wolde, with two master's degrees, also has reviewed,
processed and allocated low-income housing tax-credit applications,
Cahill said.

Cahill said he discussed the position and Housing Authority programs
with Wolde, whom he has known for over 10 years.

Council members Joseph B. Schrum, Joseph V. Egan and Blanquita Valenti
said the council reviews resumes and selects the most qualified
candidates.

"We ran it by the mayor, of course, and we thought they were the best
available candidates at the time," said Valenti, who spoke to four of
the five appointees beforehand.

The makeup of the Housing Authority board is reflective of areas of
importance needed in a housing-management team, said Cahill, adding
the members' race and ethnicity mirror the city's population.

Board needs residentsThere have been two chances to appoint a
public-housing resident to the board since the law went into effect in
November 1999 - a council appointment in April 2000 when Harris was
reappointed and DCA's appointment of Bright this month.

A DCA spokesman reiterated the department's belief Bright will make a
good candidate when asked about the resident requirement.

Cahill said he couldn't speak for the council but noted there are
"ample reasons" to have selected Harris again. He did not know why the
council didn't pick a resident but said he has talked to the council
about the legal requirement.

Scott's appointment expires next month, but Cahill would not speak for
council members about whom they might appoint. Cahill said he did not
have any problems with Scott's performance as a commissioner.

Cahill said the federal HOPE VI project is an additional
responsibility to the commissioners' tasks of managing existing
properties and being commissioners of a redevelopment agency.

"They do a fine job under existing difficult circumstances," Cahill
said.

             Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail: swaters@....

             from the Home News Tribune

             Published: March 11, 2001


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that is what we couldn't understand either. the reporter is responsible. 
home news 246.5500



>From: "Audrey Allred" <audreya99@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] partII
>Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:54:01 -0000
>
>radical activist?
>
>
>From: wacbush01@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] partII
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:18:27 -0000
>
>Housing-panel appointment attacked
>
>              Published in the Home News Tribune 3/11/01
>
>              By SHARON WATERS
>              STAFF WRITER
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK: A radical activist is protesting the recent appointment
>of Frank Bright to the New Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority
>board of commissioners, calling the designation a "political
>maneuver."
>
>Last week, the state Department of Community Affairs appointed Bright,
>a Republican activist who has criticized the city's Democratic
>leadership and ran unsuccessfully against Mayor James M. Cahill in
>1998.
>
>Cliff Smith, with the Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary
>Democracy, wants Bright to resign and for city officials and the
>Housing Authority to condemn the appointment.
>
>He objects because a federal regulation, which took effect in November
>1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board and none
>has been appointed.
>
>Bright has no plans to resign and said because the commissioners are
>not elected, they are political appointments. "There's no dodging that
>issue," he said.
>
>Appointment defendedWhen asked about Smith's charges, DCA spokesmen
>said the DCA believes Bright will make an excellent commissioner, work
>hard to serve the city and provide new ideas and leadership to the
>Housing Authority.
>
>"There was a determination made that this was the best candidate for
>the position," said spokesman E.J. Miranda.
>
>The DCA declined to say how many candidates were considered, whether
>Bright was recommended or nominated himself, and whether the DCA
>interviewed Bright.
>
>"A bunch of different people" recommended him, said Bright, noting he
>also recommended himself. Bright said he has talked to DCA staff for
>three years about Housing Authority issues and had asked how
>commissioners are appointed.
>
>Bright asked around the city to see if anyone was interested in
>serving but then "about a dozen prominent activists and community
>leaders" said he should be the commissioner, Bright said. He would not
>name who they are, saying people "don't need to know my support
>structure."
>
>Bright then approached Dennis Little, chairman of the Middlesex County
>GOP Organization. Little said Bright applied, and he sent only
>Bright's name to Trenton.
>
>Little said Bright is dedicated to New Brunswick and is capable of
>doing the job. But Mayor James M. Cahill, who said the city had no
>idea the state was considering Bright, said he would not have selected
>Bright "because of a lack of qualifications."
>
>Saying Bright "has had a tendency to be disruptive and combative,"
>Cahill said he was not familiar with what experience Bright would
>bring to the table except a political background as chairman of New
>Brunswick's Republican Party.
>
>Little answered, "Bet you if (Bright) had 'Democrat' after his name,
>he'd be qualified."
>
>Bright provided a resume showing experience in mechanical engineering,
>contract negotiations, construction layout and design, equipment
>inspection and welding. He has degrees in mechanical engineering and
>physics and currently designs explosive bolts for Cartridge Actuated
>Devices in Fairfield, NJ.
>
>Besides the DCA appointment, the mayor appoints one Housing Authority
>commissioner and the City Council appoints five.
>
>Resumes not suppliedThe commissioners appointed by Cahill and the
>council were asked by a reporter last month to provide copies of their
>resumes or work and volunteer experience. They declined the request
>but had the Housing Authority Attorney James Horvath provide a list of
>their current employer and "special experience." (Commissioner James
>Scott later provided a resume.)
>
>For the council's appointments, the list stated: Chairwoman Beatrice
>B. Harris is retired and a former public-housing resident; Scott is a
>self-employed consultant and former Housing Authority executive
>director with experience with HUD rules and regulations; Jerry Mercado
>works for Horizon Blue Cross/Blue Shield and has marketing and
>scholarship-program experience; Anthony Giorgianni is an iron worker
>with construction-management experience; Richard Kolesar works for US
>Securities Association, is a member of a plumber's union and has
>experience in construction trades and union-labor relations.
>
>The mayor's appointment, Yirgu Wolde, works for NJ Home & Mortgage
>Finance Agency with experience in housing management and
>administration and the financing of affordable housing, according to
>the list.
>
>The commissioners declined to say how they were selected and whether
>they were interviewed for the positions.
>
>When asked why he appointed Wolde, Cahill provided an extensive list
>of Wolde's past job duties and experience with HMFA and other
>employers including processing special-needs housing requests,
>preparing grant proposals and overseeing transitional-housing
>programs. Wolde, with two master's degrees, also has reviewed,
>processed and allocated low-income housing tax-credit applications,
>Cahill said.
>
>Cahill said he discussed the position and Housing Authority programs
>with Wolde, whom he has known for over 10 years.
>
>Council members Joseph B. Schrum, Joseph V. Egan and Blanquita Valenti
>said the council reviews resumes and selects the most qualified
>candidates.
>
>"We ran it by the mayor, of course, and we thought they were the best
>available candidates at the time," said Valenti, who spoke to four of
>the five appointees beforehand.
>
>The makeup of the Housing Authority board is reflective of areas of
>importance needed in a housing-management team, said Cahill, adding
>the members' race and ethnicity mirror the city's population.
>
>Board needs residentsThere have been two chances to appoint a
>public-housing resident to the board since the law went into effect in
>November 1999 - a council appointment in April 2000 when Harris was
>reappointed and DCA's appointment of Bright this month.
>
>A DCA spokesman reiterated the department's belief Bright will make a
>good candidate when asked about the resident requirement.
>
>Cahill said he couldn't speak for the council but noted there are
>"ample reasons" to have selected Harris again. He did not know why the
>council didn't pick a resident but said he has talked to the council
>about the legal requirement.
>
>Scott's appointment expires next month, but Cahill would not speak for
>council members about whom they might appoint. Cahill said he did not
>have any problems with Scott's performance as a commissioner.
>
>Cahill said the federal HOPE VI project is an additional
>responsibility to the commissioners' tasks of managing existing
>properties and being commissioners of a redevelopment agency.
>
>"They do a fine job under existing difficult circumstances," Cahill
>said.
>
>              Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail: swaters@....
>
>              from the Home News Tribune
>
>              Published: March 11, 2001
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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>

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Attached is an article from today's HNT about the ACLU-NJ's victory 
for free speech rights at Rutgers.  My apologies if this article is 
not completely germane to the newsgroup, but at least it deals with a 
New Brunswick institution like Rutgers.

Flavio Komuves


Rutgers beaten by alumni in ad suit 


Published in the Home News Tribune 3/14/01 
By SARAH GREENBLATT
STAFF WRITER
RUTGERS UNIVERSITY: Calling higher-education institutions 
the "quintessential marketplace of ideas," a state Superior Court 
judge yesterday took Rutgers University to task for blocking alumni 
from publicizing their views in the advertising pages of a university 
magazine. 

In a legal blow to Rutgers, Judge Joseph Messina ruled that the 
university violated the First Amendment rights of the Rutgers 1000 
Alumni Council by prohibiting the group from buying ads in Rutgers 
Magazine. 

The magazine had barred Rutgers 1000 ads that criticized the 
university's involvement in the Big East Athletic Conference. The 
magazine based the decision on unwritten policies against "advocacy" 
or "viewpoint" advertising. In letters and phone calls, officials 
gave slightly shifting explanations for rejecting a display ad 
quoting Nobel Laureate -- and Rutgers alumnus -- Milton Friedman on 
the academic purpose of universities and a classified ad soliciting 
inquiries about Rutgers 1000.

Messina said the policies did not meet legal requirements for 
limiting expression and that they represented "an attempt to suppress 
an opposing view."

Calling Rutgers 1000 the university's "loyal opposition," the judge 
said, "they have or should have an opportunity to be heard." 

The judge said the lawsuit, which was brought by the American Civil 
Liberties Union of New Jersey on behalf of Rutgers 1000, was "one of 
the most interesting cases I've heard in my career" and praised the 
efforts of the attorneys for both sides. 

Yet he rejected virtually each of the arguments advanced by Rutgers, 
including a contention that the advertising pages of the magazine 
represent a "nonpublic forum" that loosens standards for restricting 
free speech. 

Attorney Peter Skolnik, who is representing Rutgers, had argued the 
alumni received ample opportunities to air their views through 
letters to the editor, alumni notes and an article that featured 
diverse viewpoints on athletics at the university. 

The magazine's editorial director William Owens had testified that 
efforts were made to include the views of Rutgers 1000 Alumni Council 
leader Richard Seclow in a story that focused on the debate about 
athletics at Rutgers. 

But in doing so, Messina said, the university had designated the 
magazine as a "channel of communication or dialogue on the subject of 
big time sports." 

Owens had testified that he wanted to avoid ads that might distract 
readers from the magazine's purpose, which he said is to "engender 
loyalty, support and enthusiasm" for the university.

But the judge agreed with ACLU attorney Grayson Barber, who said the 
alumni group's views were born of loyalty and enthusiasm for Rutgers 
and could engender even greater interest and support for the 
university. 

Messina also disputed Skolnik's argument that an ad promoting tickets 
for a Big East Conference tournament simply acknowledged Rutgers' 
place in the NCAA Division I without endorsing it.

The ad in essence promoted Rutgers' status in the division, "giving 
readers only one side of the story," the judge said. 

Seclow, a member of the Class of 1951 who was elected to the Loyal 
Sons and Daughters of Rutgers, hailed the ruling somewhat ironically, 
calling it "a home run." 

Skolnik said Rutgers officials will review the ruling before deciding 
whether to appeal.

"Needless to say, we're disappointed," Skolnik said. "I think the 
judge is incorrect on the law." 

Sarah Greenblatt: (732) 565-7205. E-mail sgreenbl@...



from the Home News Tribune 

Published: March 14, 2001

HI everyone

Just a reminder to anyone interested in our education discussion group, we 
are meeting at my house 136 Baldwin st on this Sunday at 6pm.
If you need a ride please call me. We will be discussion the second chapter 
of Pedagogy of the Oppressed by Paulo Freire. It is on the "Banking concept 
of education" (students should have a copy in their Ways of Reading book 
from expos). Please let me know if you need a copy.

Thanks
Louise
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>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] MORE MATERIALS TO STUDY
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 18:27:40 -0000
>
>
>This statute contains the requirement for public housing agency
>plans.  Whoever has the current 5-year agency plan for New Brunswick
>that was due 10/1/99, and the most recent annual plan, please speak
>up.  I am especially interest in its contents regarding � (d)(8)(B)
>and (d)(10) of the statute.  Note also subsection (e), which contains
>substantially ineffective plans for resident advisory boards.
>
>In addition, since the statute contemplates the potential for adverse
>interests between resident advisory board and board of directors, I
>am left to inquire: why does the RAB not have funds for its own
>attorneys?  Should this not be asked of the NBH&RA?
>
>42 U.S.C.A. � 1437c-1
>
>� 1437c-1. Public housing agency plans
>
>(a) 5-year plan
>
>   (1) In general
>
>Subject to paragraph (2), not less than once every 5 fiscal years,
>each public housing agency shall submit to the Secretary a plan that
>includes, with respect to the 5 fiscal years immediately following
>the date on which the plan is submitted--
>
>(A) a statement of the mission of the public housing agency for
>serving the needs of low-income and very low-income families in the
>jurisdiction of the public housing agency during such fiscal years;
>and
>
>(B) a statement of the goals and objectives of the public housing
>agency that will enable the public housing agency to serve the needs
>identified pursuant to subparagraph (A) during those fiscal years.
>
>   (2) Initial plan
>
>The initial 5-year plan submitted by a public housing agency under
>this subsection shall be submitted for the 5-year period beginning on
>October 1, 1999, or the first fiscal year thereafter for which the
>public housing agency initially receives assistance under this
>chapter.
>
>
>(b) Annual plan
>
>   (1) In general
>
>Effective beginning upon October 1, 1999, each public housing agency
>shall submit to the Secretary an annual public housing agency plan
>under this subsection for each fiscal year for which the public
>housing agency receives assistance under section 1437f(o) or 1437g of
>this title.
>
>   (2) Updates
>
>
>For each fiscal year after the initial submission of an annual plan
>under this subsection by a public housing agency, the public housing
>agency may comply with requirements for submission of a plan under
>this subsection by submitting an update of the plan for the fiscal
>year.
>
>(c) Procedures
>
>   (1) In general
>
>The Secretary shall establish requirements and procedures for
>submission and review of plans, including requirements for timing and
>form of submission, and for the contents of such plans.
>
>   (2) Contents
>
>The procedures established under paragraph (1) shall provide that a
>public housing agency shall--
>(A) in developing the plan consult with the resident advisory board
>established under subsection (e); and
>
>(B) ensure that the plan under this section is consistent with the
>applicable comprehensive housing affordability strategy (or any
>consolidated plan incorporating such strategy) for the jurisdiction
>in which the public housing agency is located, in accordance with
>title I of the Cranston- Gonzalez National Affordable Housing Act,
>and contains a certification by the appropriate State or local
>official that the plan meets the requirements of this paragraph and a
>description of the manner in which the applicable contents of the
>public housing agency plan are consistent with the comprehensive
>housing affordability strategy.
>
>(d) Contents
>
>An annual public housing agency plan under subsection (b) for a
>public housing  agency shall contain the following information
>relating to the upcoming fiscal year for which the assistance under
>this chapter is to be made available:
>
>
>   (1) Needs
>
>
>A statement of the housing needs of low-income and very low-income
>families residing in the jurisdiction served by the public housing
>agency, and of other low-income and very low-income families on the
>waiting list of the agency (including housing needs of elderly
>families and disabled families), and the means by which the public
>housing agency intends, to the maximum extent practicable, to address
>those needs.
>
>   (2) Financial resources
>
>A statement of financial resources available to the agency and the
>planned uses of those resources.
>
>   (3) Eligibility, selection, and admissions policies
>
>A statement of the policies governing eligibility, selection,
>admissions (including any preferences), assignment, and occupancy of
>families with respect to public housing dwelling units and housing
>assistance under section 1437(f) of this title, including--
>
>(A) the procedures for maintaining waiting lists for admissions to
>public housing projects of the agency, which may include a system of
>site-based waiting lists under section 1437d(r) of this title; and
>
>(B) the admissions policy under section 1437n(a)(3)(B) of this title
>for deconcentration of lower-income families.
>
>   (4) Rent determination
>
>A statement of the policies of the public housing agency governing
>rents charged for public housing dwelling units and rental
>contributions of families assisted under section 1437f(o) of this
>title.
>
>   (5) Operation and management
>
>A statement of the rules, standards, and policies of the public
>housing agency governing maintenance and management of housing owned,
>assisted, or operated by the public housing agency (which shall
>include measures necessary for the prevention or eradication of pest
>infestation, including by cockroaches), and management of the public
>housing agency and programs of the public housing agency.
>
>   (6) Grievance procedure
>
>A statement of the grievance procedures of the public housing agency.
>
>   (7) Capital improvements
>
>With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated
>by the public housing agency, a plan describing the capital
>improvements necessary to ensure long-term physical and social
>viability of the projects.
>
>   (8) Demolition and disposition
>
>With respect to public housing projects owned by the public housing
>agency--
>
>(A) a description of any housing for which the PHA will apply for
>demolition or disposition under section 1437p of this title; and
>
>(B) a timetable for the demolition or disposition.
>
>   (9) Designation of housing for elderly and disabled families
>
>With respect to public housing projects owned, assisted, or operated
>by the public housing agency, a description of any projects (or
>portions thereof) that the public housing agency has designated or
>will apply for designation for occupancy by elderly and disabled
>families in accordance with section 1437e of this title.
>
>   (10) Conversion of public housing
>
>With respect to public housing owned by a public housing agency--
>
>(A) a description of any building or buildings that the public
>housing agency is required to convert to tenant-based assistance
>under section 1437z- 5 of this title or that the public housing
>agency plans to voluntarily convert under section 1437t of this title;
>
>(B) an analysis of the projects or buildings required to be converted
>under section 1437z-5 of this title; and
>
>(C) a statement of the amount of assistance received under this
>chapter to be used for rental assistance or other housing assistance
>in connection with such conversion.
>
>   (11) Homeownership
>
>A description of any homeownership programs of the agency under
>section 1437f(y) or for which the public housing agency has applied
>or will apply for approval under section 1437z of this title.
>
>   (12) Community service and self-sufficiency
>
>A description of--
>
>(A) any programs relating to services and amenities provided or
>offered to assisted families;
>
>(B) any policies or programs of the public housing agency for the
>enhancement of the economic and social self-sufficiency of assisted
>families;
>
>(C) how the public housing agency will comply with the requirements
>of subsections (c) and (d) of section 1437j of this title (relating
>to community service and treatment of income changes resulting from
>welfare program requirements).
>
>(13) Safety and crime prevention
>
>A plan established by the public housing agency, which shall be
>subject to the following requirements:
>
>     (A) Safety measures
>
>The plan shall provide, on a project-by-project or jurisdiction-wide
>basis, for measures to ensure the safety of public housing residents.
>
>     (B) Establishment
>
>The plan shall be established in consultation with the police officer
>or officers in command for the appropriate precinct or police
>department.
>
>     (C) Content
>
>The plan shall describe the need for measures to ensure the safety of
>public housing residents and for crime prevention measures, describe
>any such activities conducted or to be conducted by the agency, and
>provide for coordination between the agency and the appropriate
>police precincts for carrying out such measures and activities.
>
>     (D) Secretarial action
>
>If the Secretary determines, at any time, that the security needs of
>a project are not being adequately addressed by the plan, or that the
>local police precinct is not complying with the plan, the Secretary
>may mediate between the public housing agency and the local precinct
>to resolve any issues of conflict.
>
>   (14) Pets
>
>The requirements of the agency, pursuant to section 31, relating to
>pet ownership in public housing.
>
>   (15) Civil rights certification
>
>A certification by the public housing agency that the public housing
>agency will carry out the public housing agency plan in conformity
>with title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Fair Housing Act,
>section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, and title II of the
>Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and will affirmatively
>further fair housing.
>
>   (16) Annual audit
>
>The results of the most recent fiscal year audit of the public
>housing agency under section 1437c(h)(2) of this title.
>
>   (17) Asset management
>
>A statement of how the agency will carry out its asset management
>functions with respect to the public housing inventory of the agency,
>including how the agency will plan for the long-term operating,
>capital investment, rehabilitation, modernization, disposition, and
>other needs for such inventory.
>
>   (18) Other
>
>Any other information required by law to be included in a public
>housing agency plan.
>
>(e) Resident advisory board
>
>   (1) In general
>
>Except as provided in paragraph (3), each public housing agency shall
>establish 1 or more resident advisory boards in accordance with this
>subsection, the membership of which shall adequately reflect and
>represent the residents assisted by the public housing agency.
>
>   (2) Functions
>
>Each resident advisory board established under this subsection by a
>public housing agency shall assist and make recommendations regarding
>the development of the public housing agency plan for the agency. The
>agency shall consider the recommendations of the resident advisory
>boards in preparing the final public housing agency plan, and shall
>include, in the public housing agency plan submitted to the Secretary
>under this section, a copy of the recommendations and a description
>of the manner in which the recommendations were addressed.
>
>   (3) Waiver
>
>The Secretary may waive the requirements of this subsection with
>respect to the establishment of resident advisory boards for a public
>housing agency if the agency demonstrates to the satisfaction of the
>Secretary that there exist resident councils or other resident
>organizations of the public housing agency that--
>
>(A) adequately represent the interests of the residents of the public
>housing agency; and
>
>(B) have the ability to perform the functions described in paragraph
>(2).
>
>
>(f) Notice and hearing [FN1]
>
>   (1) In general
>
>In developing a public housing agency plan under this section, the
>board of directors or similar governing body of a public housing
>agency shall conduct a public hearing to discuss the public housing
>agency plan and to invite public comment regarding that plan. The
>hearing shall be conducted at a location that is convenient to
>residents.
>
>   (2) Availability of information and notice
>
>Not later than 45 days before the date of a hearing conducted under
>paragraph (1), the public housing agency shall--
>
>(A) make the proposed public housing agency plan and all information
>relevant to the hearing and proposed plan available for inspection by
>the public at the principal office of the public housing agency
>during normal business hours; and
>
>(B) publish a notice informing the public that--
>
>(i) that the information is available as required under subparagraph
>(A); and
>
>(ii) that a public hearing under paragraph (1) will be conducted.
>
>   (3) Adoption of plan
>
>A public housing agency may adopt a public housing agency plan and
>submit the plan to the Secretary in accordance with this section only
>after--
>
>(A) conducting a public hearing under paragraph (1);
>
>(B) considering all public comments received; and
>
>(C) making any appropriate changes in the public housing agency plan,
>in consultation with the resident advisory board.
>
>   (4) Advisory board consultation enforcement
>
>Pursuant to a written request made by the resident advisory board for
>a public housing agency that documents a failure on the part of the
>agency to provide adequate notice and opportunity for comment under
>this subsection and a finding by the Secretary of good cause within
>the time period provided for in subsection (i)(4), the Secretary may
>require the public housing agency to adequately remedy such failure
>before final approval of the public housing agency plan under this
>section.
>
>(g) Amendments and modifications to plans
>
>(1) In general
>
>Except as provided in paragraph (2), nothing in this section shall
>preclude a public housing agency, after submitting a plan to the
>Secretary in accordance with this section, from amending or modifying
>any policy, rule, regulation, or plan of the public housing agency,
>except that a significant amendment or modification may not--
>
>(A) be adopted, other than at a duly called meeting of board of
>directors (or similar governing body) of the public housing agency
>that is open to the public; and
>
>(B) be implemented, until notification of the amendment or
>modification is provided to the Secretary and approved in accordance
>with subsection (i).
>
>   (2) Consistency and notice
>
>Each significant amendment or modification to a public housing agency
>plan submitted to the Secretary under this section shall--
>
>(A) meet the requirements under subsection (c)(2) (relating to
>consultation with resident advisory board and consistency with
>comprehensive housing affordability strategies); and
>
>(B) be subject to the notice and public hearing requirements of
>subsection (f).
>
>(h) Submission of plans
>
>   (1) Initial submission
>
>Each public housing agency shall submit the initial plan required by
>this section, and any amendment or modification to the initial plan,
>to the Secretary at such time and in such form as the Secretary shall
>require.
>
>   (2) Annual submission
>
>Not later than 75 days before the start of the fiscal year of the
>public housing agency, after submission of the initial plan required
>by this section in accordance with subparagraph (A), each public
>housing agency shall annually submit to the Secretary a plan update,
>including any amendments or modifications to the public housing
>agency plan.
>
>(i) Review and determination of compliance
>
>   (1) Review
>
>Subject to paragraph (2), after submission of the public housing
>agency plan or any amendment or modification to the plan to the
>Secretary, to the extent that the Secretary considers such action to
>be necessary to make determinations under this paragraph, the
>Secretary shall review the public housing agency plan (including any
>amendments or modifications thereto) and determine whether the
>contents of the plan--
>
>(A) set forth the information required by this section and this Act
>to be contained in a public housing agency plan;
>
>(B) are consistent with information and data available to the
>Secretary, including the approved comprehensive housing affordability
>strategy under title I of the Cranston-Gonzalez National Affordable
>Housing Act for the jurisdiction in which the public housing agency
>is located; and
>
>(C) are not prohibited by or inconsistent with any provision of this
>subchapter or other applicable law.
>
>(2) Elements exempted from review
>
>The Secretary may, by regulation, provide that one or more elements
>of a public housing agency plan shall be reviewed only if the element
>is challenged, except that the Secretary shall review the information
>submitted in each plan pursuant to paragraphs (3)(B), (8), and (15)
>of subsection (d).
>
>   (3) Disapproval
>
>The Secretary may disapprove a public housing agency plan (or any
>amendment or modification thereto) only if Secretary determines that
>the contents of the plan (or amendment or modification) do not comply
>with the requirements under subparagraph (A) through (C) of paragraph
>(1).
>
>   (4) Determination of compliance
>
>     (A) In general
>
>Except as provided in subsection (j)(2), not later than 75 days after
>the date on which a public housing agency plan is submitted in
>accordance with this section, the Secretary shall make the
>determination under paragraph (1) and provide written notice to the
>public housing agency if the plan has been disapproved. If the
>Secretary disapproves the plan, the notice shall state with
>specificity the reasons for the disapproval.
>
>     (B) Failure to provide notice of disapproval
>
>In the case of a plan disapproved, if the Secretary does not provide
>notice of disapproval under subparagraph (A) before the expiration of
>the period described in subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall be
>considered, for purposes of this chapter, to have made a
>determination that the plan complies with the requirements under this
>section and the agency shall be considered to have been notified of
>compliance upon the expiration of such period. The preceding sentence
>shall not preclude judicial review regarding such compliance pursuant
>to chapter 7 of Title 5, [5 U.S.C.A. � 701 et seq.], or an action
>regarding such compliance under section 1979 of the Revised Statutes
>of the United States (42 U.S.C. 1983).
>
>   (5) Public availability
>
>A public housing agency shall make the approved plan of the agency
>available to the general public.
>
>(j) Troubled and at-risk PHAs
>
>   (1) In general
>
>The Secretary may require, for each public housing agency that is at
>risk of being designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of
>this title or is designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2) of
>this title, that the public housing agency plan for such agency
>include such additional information as the Secretary determines to be
>appropriate, in accordance with such standards as the Secretary may
>establish or in accordance with such determinations as the Secretary
>may make on an agency-by-agency basis.
>
>   (2) Troubled agencies
>
>The Secretary shall provide explicit written approval or disapproval,
>in a timely manner, for a public housing agency plan submitted by any
>public housing agency designated by the Secretary as a troubled
>public housing agency under section 1437d(j)(2) of this title.
>
>(k) Streamlined plan
>
>In carrying out this section, the Secretary may establish a
>streamlined public housing agency plan for--
>
>(A) public housing agencies that are determined by the Secretary to
>be high performing public housing agencies;
>
>(B) public housing agencies with less than 250 public housing units
>that have not been designated as troubled under section 1437d(j)(2)
>of this title; and
>
>(C) public housing agencies that only administer tenant-based
>assistance and that do not own or operate public housing.
>
>
>(l) Compliance with plan
>
>   (1) In general
>
>In providing assistance under this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. � 1437 et
>seq.], a public housing agency shall comply with the rules,
>standards, and policies established in the public housing agency plan
>of the public housing agency approved under this section.
>
>   (2) Investigation and enforcement
>
>In carrying out this subchapter [42 U.S.C.A. � 1437 et seq.], the
>Secretary shall--
>
>(A) provide an appropriate response to any complaint concerning
>noncompliance by a public housing agency with the applicable public
>housing agency plan; and
>
>(B) if the Secretary determines, based on a finding of the Secretary
>or other information available to the Secretary, that a public
>housing agency is not complying with the applicable public housing
>agency plan, take such actions as the Secretary determines to be
>appropriate to ensure such compliance.
>
>

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>

the peoples' campaign must reorganize itself as the peoples' 
democratic workers' campaign. (bush in east brunswick today
introduced his "peoples' budget"!!!  were any pc members there or in 
plainfield with him & skunk soaries pushing the fascist "faith-based" 
embezzlement?)

it must clearly state that it is j&j&c's political organization that 
is the principal enemy of the people of nb. that the republican party 
represents j&j more fully than the democrats. that j&j prefers 
republicans to democrats against the peopl.

the pc must purge itself immediately of its right wing, its
republican elements (specifically bright & warren). it must take 
responsibility, openly, for the serious error that it made (makes!) in 
encouraging the promotion of the republican party in nb. that it is 
directly responsible for preparing the republican attack on public 
housing. & for the establishment of the republican foothold in nb 
(bright/warren/soaries).

we call for unity on the basis of the peoples' campaign platform: 
seize power! (from j&j's political machine),
community control! (as against j&j's political machine)
put people first! (before j&j's corporate agenda)

cliff smith
student/worker organization for revolutionary democracy

                State Supreme Court refuses
                to hear trooper appeal in
                turnpike case 

                By JOHN P. McALPIN
                The Associated Press
                3/14/01 6:12 PM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The state Supreme Court on
                Wednesday refused to hear an appeal by two state
                troopers charged in a New Jersey Turnpike shooting 
                that inflamed the state's racial profiling 
                controversy. 

                Troopers John Hogan and James Kenna had asked the
                high court to dismiss the charges. Kenna is charged 
                with attempted murder and aggravated assault; Hogan is
                charged with aggravated assault. 

                A trial judge dismissed the charges in October, but an
                appeals court later reversed the decision. The high   
                court did not offer a reason for denying the appeal,  
                which claimed a prosecutor omitted his obligation to 
                explain to the grand jury the law governing the 
                justified use of force by police officers. 

                Both men said they fired at a van they had stopped on 
                the turnpike near Trenton in April 1998 because it
                had started moving toward them. Three of the four men 
                inside -- all of them unarmed and all minorities -- 
                were injured. 

                Additional charges that the troopers doctored records 
                to hide the race of motorists they stopped were put
                on hold pending appeals in the shooting case. Federal 
                authorities are also pursuing possible civil rights 
                charges against Hogan and Kenna. 

                A year after the shooting, then-Attorney General Peter
                Verniero admitted state troopers had targeted minority
                drivers for drug prosecution. Documents released last 
                year showed that state officials had known that for 
                years before the shooting. 

                Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. 
                This material may not be published, broadcast, 
                rewritten, or redistributed.

                                  Bush says he will campaign
                                  for DiFrancesco in November 

                                  By JOHN P. McALPIN
                                  The Associated Press
                                  3/14/01 5:39 PM

                                  PLAINFIELD, N.J. (AP) -- President  
                                  Bush called him a good friend and   
                                  then promised to campaign for
                                  Acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco
-- 
                                  in November's general election. 

                                  DiFrancesco still has to win a      
                                  Republican primary as well
                                  as actually file papers to run for 
                                  governor. 

                                  "Everyone knows the new acting      
                                  governor is my good friend and I 
                                  value his friendship," Bush said 
                                  Wednesday. 

                                  "I will be back in the general      
                                  election to help him win, if he 
                                  wants me," Bush said. 

                                  The president made his first visit  
                                  to New Jersey on Wednesday since 
                                  winning the election. He stopped in
                                  Plainfield and East Brunswick to    
                                  promote faith-based initiatives and 
                                  his $1.6 trillion tax cut. 

                                  Republican DiFrancesco accompanied 
                                  Bush throughout the day. 

                                  DiFrancesco took over the chief     
                                  executive's job in January after 
                                  Bush named Christie Whitman to head 
                                  the Environmental Protection
                                  Agency. 

                                  While thankful for the presidential 
                                  encouragement, DiFrancesco was 
                                  cautious not to boast of the 
                                  apparent endorsement. 

                                  "The president is a good friend of  
                                  mine and he offered to help in any  
                                  way possible," DiFrancesco said 
                                  after the East Brunswick stop. "I'm 
                                  very pleased with the visit. If     
                                  you're concerned with an 
                                  endorsement, I'm not. I haven't
                                  even filed my papers yet." 

                                  DiFrancesco said he expects the     
                                  president will help him both in the 
                                  Republican primary, where he faces
                                  a challenge from Jersey City Mayor  
                                  Bret Schundler, and the general 
                                  election. 

                                  Before beginning his speech, the    
                                  president wrapped DiFrancesco in a 
                                  bear hug. 

                                  "I'm very confident that at the     
                                  appropriate time, the
                                  administration and the president 
                                  will be with us politically," 
                                  DiFrancesco said. 

                                  Copyright 2001 Associated Press.
                                  All rights reserved. 
                                  This material may not be published, 
                                  broadcast, rewritten, or 
                                  redistributed.

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Devco board may face vacancy because of Bush choice 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 3/15/01 

            By SHARON WATERS
            STAFF WRITER

NEW BRUNSWICK: President George W. Bush's nomination of Michael 
Chertoff to head the U.S. Justice Department's criminal division may 
create a vacancy on the New Brunswick Development Corporation's board 
of directors.

Chertoff, a former U.S. attorney in New Jersey, has served on the 
Devco board since 1995 and is expected to resign from the board if his 
nomination is confirmed.

"While we will be sorry to lose Michael, the country will greatly 
benefit from his tremendous skills and his commitment to justice,"
said Devco Chairman George Zoffinger.

President Christopher J. Paladino said no decisions have been made 
about a possible replacement for Chertoff.

Devco does not have to fill Chertoff's board slot, noted Paladino. 
Devco's board must have at least three and no more than 20 members, he 
said.

Devco has 16 board members, Paladino said. Joe Whiteside, retired 
senior vice president and treasurer of Rutgers University, was 
appointed to the board last week, said Paladino.

The last board appointment before Whiteside was David Harris, a local 
activist who is the executive director of the Greater New Brunswick 
Day Care Council Inc. Harris, who also serves on the Rutgers 
University board of governors, was added to the Devco board in the 
first quarter of 2000. 

            Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: March 15, 2001

  Egan tells of race for Assembly 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 3/15/01 

            By J.P. WHITE
            and SHARON WATERSSTAFF WRITERS
       
NEW BRUNSWICK: Flanked by a host of Middlesex County Democratic 
leaders, City Councilman Joseph V. Egan announced his candidacy for 
the 17th District Assembly seat being vacated by Assemblyman Bob 
Smith, who is running for state Senate.

Smith, Woodbridge Mayor Jim McGreevey -- a Democratic gubernatorial 
candidate -- and others attended the formal announcement Tuesday at 
the headquarters of the International Brotherhood of Electrical 
Workers Local 456, where Egan is business manager.

A win by Egan would continue a long tradition of having a New 
Brunswick resident in the Legislature, said Dyke Pollitt, a
spokesman for Sen. John Lynch, who encouraged Egan's candidacy.

"I wouldn't call it a dynasty. I would call it a tribute to the city - 
producing leaders of quality voters want to return to the 
Legislature," he said.

Lynch has decided not to run for re-election, leaving a succession of 
openings for Smith's and Egan's campaigns.

"I'm sorry to see him go. I'm sure he'll be involved in the Democratic 
Party in some way in the future," Egan said of Lynch.

"I lived in New Brunswick all my life," Egan said Tuesday at the labor 
hall. "And I worked hard for working men and women all my adult life."

If nominated, Egan promised to tackle the high cost of insurance, 
property taxes and education issues across the state, with
allegiance to the election and re-election of all Democrats.

"If elected, I look forward to running on the Jim McGreevey team," 
Egan said.

"Joe Egan is a precious resource. In a special way Joe represents the 
special qualities of labor," said McGreevey, adding that the
Democrats must ensure the State's $12 billion school construction 
program is handled by New Jersey contractors and laborers.

Egan said he was proud of the support shown Tuesday by Democrats and 
labor leaders including: New Brunswick Mayor Jim Cahill; Assemblyman 
John Wisniewski, D-Middlesex; Assemblyman Jerry Green, D-Middlesex, 
Somerset, Union; Freeholder Director David Crabiel; Sheriff Joe 
Spicuzzo, and state AFL-CIO President Charles Wowkanech.

Egan's City Council term ends in 2002 but he has not decided if he 
will resign.

"I think it's a little premature to talk about it. I haven't even 
gotten the Democratic nomination yet," he said.

Representatives from the Middlesex County Republican Organization said 
they are waiting to see if district lines are redrawn
            before announcing any candidates.

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: March 15, 2001

Please distribute the attached flyer on FTAA teach-in at RU's Labor Ed.
Center.

The event's being sponsored by CWA's Jobs w/Justice, who have organized
around WTO, etc., issues.  Many different labor people will be there.

Good opportunity to network and check out possibility of future
blue-green-black-red coalitions.

Thanks, Paul McGee, NJFO

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bensman" <dbensman@...>
To: "Paul McGee" <pmcgee@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:03 PM
Subject: Fw: Attached.


> Paul would you please distribute a copy of the attached leaflet to the
grad
> students, and let as many other people about it as you can?
> Thanks,
> David



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

	On March 19, three brothers working in November's New Brunswick municipal election will face charges of election misconduct before a Highland Park judge.  One of them, Matthew Smith, is a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign.  At these political trials, which were moved because of a conflict of interest involving the New Brunswick judge and prosecutor, the Smith brothers should be acquitted.

	There was criminal activity on Election Day, but it was committed by the New Brunswick City incumbents and their thugs.  They perpetrated hundreds of election law violations that day, including: illegal electioneering inside polling places; falsification of challenger's badges; terroristic threats made on independent campaign workers, in addition to one well-publicized assault carried out on Joseph Smith; lying to student voters about their ability to cast votes, while allowing machine-friendly voters to vote in the machines; and attempting to hide an American flag at a polling site are just some of the offenses that are now being investigated.  In the upcoming weeks, the New Brunswick People's Campaign will be releasing a report that details these offenses.  The real criminals who have exposed themselves as bankrupt must be brought to justice; but before this occurs, the Highland Park judge should throw out these politically motivated charges. 

Zofia Nowakowski
New Brunswick People's Campaign

7pm, thursday, 22march
2nd fl. lounge, college ave. student ctr.

guest speaker: Minister Linnie Muhammad
               Trenton Representative 
               of the Honorable
               Minister Louis Farrakhan

organize students to support the march on trenton may16!

contact joe smith 586.5535 or can_bush@...

i think the attachment was lost...

when is the teach-in?

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Paul McGee" <pmcgee@r...> wrote:
> Please distribute the attached flyer on FTAA teach-in at RU's Labor 
Ed.
> Center.
> 
> The event's being sponsored by CWA's Jobs w/Justice, who have 
organized
> around WTO, etc., issues.  Many different labor people will be 
there.
> 
> Good opportunity to network and check out possibility of future
> blue-green-black-red coalitions.
> 
> Thanks, Paul McGee, NJFO
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bensman" <dbensman@r...>
> To: "Paul McGee" <pmcgee@r...>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:03 PM
> Subject: Fw: Attached.
> 
> 
> > Paul would you please distribute a copy of the attached leaflet to 
the
> grad
> > students, and let as many other people about it as you can?
> > Thanks,
> > David
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

good work, zofia.


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@u...> 
wrote:
> 	On March 19, three brothers working in November's New 
Brunswick municipal election will face charges of election misconduct 
before a Highland Park judge.  One of them, Matthew Smith, is a member 
of the New Brunswick People's Campaign.  At these political trials, 
which were moved because of a conflict of interest involving the New 
Brunswick judge and prosecutor, the Smith brothers should be 
acquitted.
> 
> 	There was criminal activity on Election Day, but it was 
committed by the New Brunswick City incumbents and their thugs.  They 
perpetrated hundreds of election law violations that day, including: 
illegal electioneering inside polling places; falsification of 
challenger's badges; terroristic threats made on independent campaign 
workers, in addition to one well-publicized assault carried out on 
Joseph Smith; lying to student voters about their ability to cast 
votes, while allowing machine-friendly voters to vote in the machines; 
and attempting to hide an American flag at a polling site are just 
some of the offenses that are now being investigated.  In the upcoming 
weeks, the New Brunswick People's Campaign will be releasing a report 
that details these offenses.  The real criminals who have exposed 
themselves as bankrupt must be brought to justice; but before this 
occurs, the Highland Park judge should throw out these politically 
motivated charges. 
> 
> Zofia Nowakowski
> New Brunswick People's Campaign

santos perez, attorney for cliff & joe smith announced that highland 
park municipal court has adjourned the trial scheduled for 10:30am, 
monday, 19 march.

the elected board campaign turned out the highest yes! vote of 
previous referendum efforts.  keep the pressure on!

unite, dont split.

check today's starledger p15 photo of bush2 w/arm around nj republican 
sec. of state, oops, i mean curtis' religious leader, deforest "skunk" 
soaries.

also, this:



                 Subject:  FRANK BRIGHT CAN BE A FACTOR TO GET A 
COMMUNITY CENTER

                 FRANK BRIGHT IS BELOVED BY THE PEOPLE. HE HAS A GOOD 
TESTIMONY FROM ALL,
                 AND FROM THE TRUTH ITELF. AND WE , MY FAMILY AND I  
BEAR WITNESS TO IT.
                 BELOVED JOE DO NOT IMITAITE WHAT IS EVIL , BUT WHAT 
IS GOOD. 

                 IT WAS OUR REPUBLICAN NEW BRUNSWICK LEADERSHIP THAT 
RALLIED PROGRESSIVE
                 AND GRASSROOTS COALITIONS IN RECORD TIME. FRANK 
BRIGHT IS A UNITER, NOT
                 A DIVIDER. FRANK BRIGHT DEFEND PUBLIC EDUCATION AND 
DEFEND EQUAL
                 OPPORTUNITY.

                 ALL IN ALL, LET SEE IF HE CAN US CLOSER TO A SIMMING 
POOL AND COMMUNIY.
                 IS THIS OUR GOAL. OR YOU PUT YOUR LEFTIST AGENDA 
FIRST BEFORE THE
                 PEOPLE.  

                 TRACY FORD

check today's starledger p15 photo of bush2 w/arm around nj republican 
sec. of state, oops, i mean curtis' religious leader, deforest "skunk" 
soaries.

also, this:



                 Subject:  FRANK BRIGHT CAN BE A FACTOR TO GET A 
COMMUNITY CENTER

                 FRANK BRIGHT IS BELOVED BY THE PEOPLE. HE HAS A GOOD 
TESTIMONY FROM ALL,
                 AND FROM THE TRUTH ITELF. AND WE , MY FAMILY AND I  
BEAR WITNESS TO IT.
                 BELOVED JOE DO NOT IMITAITE WHAT IS EVIL , BUT WHAT 
IS GOOD. 

                 IT WAS OUR REPUBLICAN NEW BRUNSWICK LEADERSHIP THAT 
RALLIED PROGRESSIVE
                 AND GRASSROOTS COALITIONS IN RECORD TIME. FRANK 
BRIGHT IS A UNITER, NOT
                 A DIVIDER. FRANK BRIGHT DEFEND PUBLIC EDUCATION AND 
DEFEND EQUAL
                 OPPORTUNITY.

                 ALL IN ALL, LET SEE IF HE CAN US CLOSER TO A SIMMING 
POOL AND COMMUNIY.
                 IS THIS OUR GOAL. OR YOU PUT YOUR LEFTIST AGENDA 
FIRST BEFORE THE
                 PEOPLE.  

                 TRACY FORD

     SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and 
working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous 
attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity 
and make unity impossible.
     The essence of Marxism is materialist dialectics. The opposite of 
dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics ackowledges the world in its 
multi-sided complexity and continous change, development and transformation. 
Meta-physics sees the world (and in the case at hand individuals) as static, 
one-sided and eternally the same. SWORD's position on Curtis is a case study 
of meta-physical thinking taken to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among 
the most dedicated working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven 
himself and his commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over 
again. SWORD just like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for 
maintaining the memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on 
Powers St. Not only are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they 
are an insult to the entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick. 
The tree is a real symbol of working class resistance.
     SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for two things. First for a single 
comment he made to the Home News reporter and secondly for being a member of 
First Baptist Church where Buster Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore 
all of Curtis's practice and statements and focus in a single statement 
obviously has nothing to do with Marxism or dialectics, or even 
semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that matter. It is the meta-physical 
thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young Catholic boys and girls. A 
lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a single unforgivable sin etc. 
etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin explains this type of 
thinking:
"...Human knowledge is not (or does not follow) a straight line, but a 
curve, which endlessly approximates a series of circles, a spiral. Any 
fragment, segment, section of this curve can be transformed into an 
independent, complete, straight line, which then (if one does not see the 
forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of clerical obsurantism (where 
it is anchored by the class interests of the ruling-classes)..."  Is this 
not exactly what SWORD has done? They have taken a single statement by 
Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above a fragment of information 
taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of clerical obscurantism in 
ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed into EXCALIBUR and cleanses 
the movement of Infidels...
    The second issue constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of 
First Baptist Church. Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs 
to be defended even under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor 
Soaries as a political leader. His choice of religion and church are a 
private matter which has nothing to do with political organizing.
     Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant repitition of 
the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar Germany. 
SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka is 
warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German 
Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of 
Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite 
their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking 
allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the 
trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not 
our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with 
revolution, Marxism, or working class power.
Take Care,
Keith

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

keith in 1st paragraph, "SWORD makes unity impossible", and in last 
sentence, "to treat him like the enemy is trotskyism", when was it enacted 
by the reds that unity with trotsky was immpossible?

you cannot put it on SWORD that we organize splits, because as much as you 
wanna scream that we attacked curtis and we're so stupid, SWORD has never 
moved to expel warren, or anyone else from peoples' campaign. and check you 
out attempting to drive a wedge between sword and the adams family, explain 
that one.

i'm having a hard time understanding that your message is attemping to 
define that SWORD cannot be worked with on any basis because of our exposure 
of el curtis. why don't you take your arguement to the people and see that 
everybody on the street that knows soaries will tell you that he is a 
sell-out! not a religous leader... furthermore, curtis is not just a member 
of 1st baptist, he is employed by soaries and, simply put, an aspiring 
protege of soaries.

let us discuss the world we live in, as you suggest. there is an exact 
connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of 
shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell 
me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further 
explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing 
else has been done outside of adams murder? roughly five years and a whole 
police running whore houses scam later (let alone racist profiling). 
samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and 
every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long 
discussion only about adams. and nothing has been done in five years. what a 
champion of the working class.

i won't even mention that el curtis sabatoged our event to commemorate the 
10 year mark of the police murder of shaun potts last summer by tearing down 
our literature so as not to let word be spread around 1st baptist. hhmmm...

maybe you would like to explain why warren, "who has the right to practice 
religion and is just a member of 1st baptist and is the most dedicated 
working class activist in new brunswick", is an active member of the 
republican party?

maybe you would like to explain why you yourself are an active member of the 
republican party.

maybe you would like to explain how such "a single comment to the home news" 
even came about to begin with? where does the commentS, "WE are not here to 
tear down any political machine, WE are just here to try to do better" and 
that "WE are (ready and) willing to work with the corporations in new 
brunswick...", come from? do those commentS come from a dedicated working 
class activist? where does that thought pattern come from, working class or 
betrayal class? WE is not me.

why has njfo never criticized the commentS at all, like they are part of 
your program also. those comments slander the peoples' campaign platform of 
which i have never violated. and also i have never been able to petition the 
general body about my expulsion led by xavier and enacted by the steering 
committee.

curtis has never advocated soaries as a political leader you say. maybe, but 
the problem is it that el curtis associates himself at all with developing 
nazis. also the problem is that curtis has never spoken against sucker and 
his right wing agenda and for someone that is that close to him, not to 
condemn is only to embrace regardless if he stated it, that is the way the 
WORLD works.

why does sucker hold hostage the over 1/2 million $$ already released by the 
state to crossroads threatre? does that not attack black working class 
culture, where is "working class activist curtis" to defend the threatre?

the ultimate error with you and your relationship with curtis is that rather 
than organize the community, you latch on to someone that serves your 
immediate purposes. problem is, you're being used. and that is what leads 
and led to the rise of fascism. the so called communists/revolutionaries 
surrendered their platforms to the right wing elements, and in turn dug the 
graves for the masses of people.  that is what you are doing know by not 
even putting forward your position on the selection of bright, of which i 
shouldn't even have to ask.

sword will unite with liberals, not republicans and those that aspire to 
sell-out, you can have 'em. problem is, platform of community control has 
lost.

joe


>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Portrait of a Meta-Physician
>Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:47 -0000
>
>      SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and
>working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous
>attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity
>and make unity impossible.
>      The essence of Marxism is materialist dialectics. The opposite of
>dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics ackowledges the world in its
>multi-sided complexity and continous change, development and 
>transformation.
>Meta-physics sees the world (and in the case at hand individuals) as 
>static,
>one-sided and eternally the same. SWORD's position on Curtis is a case 
>study
>of meta-physical thinking taken to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among
>the most dedicated working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven
>himself and his commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over
>again. SWORD just like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for
>maintaining the memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on
>Powers St. Not only are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they
>are an insult to the entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick.
>The tree is a real symbol of working class resistance.
>      SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for two things. First for a single
>comment he made to the Home News reporter and secondly for being a member 
>of
>First Baptist Church where Buster Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore
>all of Curtis's practice and statements and focus in a single statement
>obviously has nothing to do with Marxism or dialectics, or even
>semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that matter. It is the meta-physical
>thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young Catholic boys and girls. A
>lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a single unforgivable sin etc.
>etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin explains this type of
>thinking:
>"...Human knowledge is not (or does not follow) a straight line, but a
>curve, which endlessly approximates a series of circles, a spiral. Any
>fragment, segment, section of this curve can be transformed into an
>independent, complete, straight line, which then (if one does not see the
>forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of clerical obsurantism 
>(where
>it is anchored by the class interests of the ruling-classes)..."  Is this
>not exactly what SWORD has done? They have taken a single statement by
>Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above a fragment of information
>taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of clerical obscurantism in
>ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed into EXCALIBUR and cleanses
>the movement of Infidels...
>     The second issue constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of
>First Baptist Church. Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs
>to be defended even under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor
>Soaries as a political leader. His choice of religion and church are a
>private matter which has nothing to do with political organizing.
>      Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant repitition of
>the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar Germany.
>SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka is
>warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the 
>German
>Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of
>Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite
>their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by 
>attacking
>allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the
>trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not
>our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do 
>with
>revolution, Marxism, or working class power.
>Take Care,
>Keith
>
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Hello,

I basically think NB is in a crisis period.  It is
turning the corner on gentrification as we write. The
New Brunswick Apartments (by Commercial Ave) have
changed ownership, residents are being given "enhanced
vouchers" to leave that expire after 5 years, and
tenants have been asked to sign new leases, which they
may not understand.  Also, I just found out Mrs. Adams
is currently walking around New Brunswick looking for
a place to live.  What we are seeing is the planned
large scale destruction of affordable housing, and the
planned large scale introduction of nonaffordable
housing. 

We need to develop and source as much resource as we
can right now, and the question is how to do this
effectively.  

Another thought is I think we should have a meeting
for discussion about Keiths proposal to support
McGreevey in the upcoming election.  This is a big
issue, is a departure from the prior modus operendi,
and we must air full debate for all membership to
participate before its decided in a general meeting.

Also, it would be good to have a meeting focused on
the housing authority issue where information can be
shared and strategy discussed.

Finally, many people in the community are distrustful
of politics, and understandablly so.  In addition to
the political work we do, we need to recognize the
value of spaces that are not too full of politicized
and charged hype so people feel safe to engage, and
can come together to begin to identify crises and
figure out how to resolve them, while at the same time
building connections for long-term and larger scale
change.

Zofia

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----- Original Message -----
>From: Ken Sammond
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:44 PM
>To: Joseph Mosley
>Subject: NBT & the Community Center Task Force
>
>
>Joseph,
>
>Greetings from New Brunswick Tomorrow (NBT).
>
>Allow me to introduce myself, I am Kenneth Sammond, the Director of 
>Development at NBT.  Jeffrey Vega, our President, asked if I could 
meet with you to discuss your goal and interest in creating a 
community center for all persons in our city (I have been a Hub City 
resident for over five years).
>
>I plan to attend the next meeting of the Community Center Task Force 
to obtain a greater understanding of this initiative and see how NBT's 
priorities link up with this endeavor.  Currently, I understand this 
meeting will be held on the last Tuesday of March, from 6:30 to 7:30 
pm. at 116 Livingston Avenue.  If this is incorrect, please notify me.
>
I look forward to meeting you and discussing this initiative.  If you 
have any questions in the meantime, do not hesitate to contact me via 
email or telephone. I can be reached at 246-0603.  Thank you so much.
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Ken Sammond

>soaries was put in office 1/99, less than 1yr after the 4/98 tpk 
shooting, as a willing cover for official state terrorism (fascism). 
while whitman's admin. denied the existence of profiling!

monday, 19march, state hearings begin on the official republican 
denial of profiling. then atty gen'l peter verniero (now on nj
supreme 
court) is key witness who denied profiling existed before the 
shooting. he will be impeached & removed from the court.

at shaun potts '91 funeral, after his murder by nb police, soaries
was 
quoting malcolm x on the need to seize power! we see what his view of 
siezing power is. ("we're not here to tear down the political
machine, 
we're just here to do better...")

join the march on trenton (may16) to defeat racist profiling & police 
brutality!

join the Coalition for Justice! seize power from imperialism!

from nj secretary of state website:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 

             Thursday, March 11, 1999
                                                      Contace: Missy 
Gillespie

                                                      609-292-1166


   SECRETARY OF STATE AFFIRMS ADMINISTRATION SUPPORT OF STATE POLICE;
                     CALLS A.G.'s INVESTIGATION THOROUGH & EXTENSIVE

     Secretary of State DeForest B. Soaries, Jr. today said that "the 
current debate surrounding the New Jersey State Police is much too 
important to become a political football" and that the Whitman 
Administration has exhibited courageous leadership in moving to 
resolve divisive issues that detract from the critical work of the 
State Police. 

     "These problems did not begin with this Administration but I am 
confidant that they will end under the Whitman Administration," 
Secretary Soaries said. "I am disappointed that the first Governor
and 
Attorney General who have taken decisive steps to improve the State 
Police's relationship with all people are being attacked and
subjected 
to partisan bickering. Our Troopers are some of the most professional 
and admirable men and women in America. And, as a black man and 
law-abiding citizen, I can tell you that there are legitimate
concerns 
regarding racial profiling. Yet we must be careful not to create
scapegoats and blame individuals; instead we must change a culture 
that allows problems to ferment. That is exactly what this Governor 
and Attorney General are doing." 

     Secretary Soaries said that as a Police Chaplain who has had to 
officiate at funeral services for law enforcement personnel,
including 
an officer who committed suicide, he is well aware of the bravery and 
pressures commanded by such important jobs. He said for every one 
complaint there are ninety-nine other officers performing vital deeds 
and services. In fact, he noted that Camden residents requested the 
presence of the State Police in acknowledgement of the necessary role 
they play in keeping communities safe and whole. Acknowledging that 
questionable incidents involving law enforcement receive heightened 
attention, Secretary Soaries said he believes that the pending
results 
of the Attorney General's comprehensive investigation of the April 23 
Turnpike shooting will help change public perceptions and prompt 
healing surrounding sensitive, racial issues. 

     "Attorney General Peter Verniero is the same man who spearheaded 
the process that resulted in the appointment of New Jersey's first
African-American Supreme Court Justice. He has appointed the first 
Hispanic director of Gaming, the first African-American director of 
elections and undertaken numerous other initiatives to improve the 
relationship of law enforcement with all people, including his recent 
Law Enforcement Summit, "Secretary Soaries said. "He has been 
proactive, and, if anything should have an early hearing on his 
nomination to the Supreme Court so that the public
can hear exactly what he has done in service to New Jersey." 

     Secretary Soaries also discussed the current search process for
a 
new Superintendent of the New Jersey State Police. He serves on the 
search committee with Attorney General Verniero, Chief Counsel John 
Farmer, former Attorney General James R. Zazzali, and Director of 
Criminal Justice Paul Zoubek. He noted that the search will include 
both uniform and civilian candidates and candidates from within and 
outside of New Jersey. To date, seven candidates, all from New
Jersey, 
have been interviewed. Criteria for the pre-screening process include 
factors such as management ability, knowledge of law enforcement, 
communication skills, leadership ability and experience with issues 
related to diversity. 

     "We have no specific timetable but we have made this a priority. 
I want to assure the State Police and the public that this will be a 
fair, non-political, non-racial, comprehensive search and that we are 
considering a broad range of issues that are appropriate for a 
position of this responsibility," he said. 

     Secretary Soaries, who manages Governor Whitman's Many Faces - 
One Family diversity initiative, said that he will expand the program 
to proactively address issues before they become fodder for partisan 
debate. Soaries, New Jersey's first African-American male Secretary
of 
State, took office on January 12, 1999. 

who was it that whitman campaign organizer ed rollins sd was given 
"street money" to suppress the nj black vote while she won by less 
than 1%?

anyone remember?





                Black Ministers cheer start of
                inquest but warn against
                scapegoating 

                By RALPH SIEGEL
                The Associated Press
                3/16/01 4:38 PM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The Black Ministers Council
                applauded upcoming Senate hearings into racial 
profiling
                but cautioned lawmakers against hunting for a 
scapegoat,
                according to a statement issued Friday. 

                The Senate Judiciary Committee Monday is scheduled to
                begin at least four days of public hearings on racial
                profiling, when the New Jersey State Police and the 
state
                attorney general's office knew about the practice and 
what
                they are doing about it. 

                "The hearings should not be about getting anybody, but
                getting at the truth and the facts about racial 
profiling. The
                Black Ministers Council is not calling for the 
resignation or
                the impeachment of anyone," said the council's 
director,
                the Rev. Reginald Jackson. 

                Jackson and the council have for three years taken a 
lead
                role in pressing the former Whitman administration on
                state police reforms. 

                The mention of impeachment is a reference to Supreme
                Court Justice Peter Verniero, who in an unprecedented
                step has agreed to appear before the committee to 
discuss
                his actions as attorney general prior to his 
confirmation to
                the bench in May 1999. He joined the court the 
following
                September when Justice Stewart Pollock retired. 

                Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex, called for
                Verniero's impeachment last year based on volumes of
                papers on the topic released by the current attorney
                general, John Farmer. Payne renewed the call last week
                as depositions from witnesses interviewed by Judiciary
                committee lawyer Michael Chertoff were made public. 

                Jackson praised the Judiciary chairman, Sen. William
                Gormley, R-Atlantic, for staging the hearings and for 
his
                thorough preparation. 

                While many questioned Verniero's experience and
                qualifications during his 1999 confirmation hearings, 
the
                Black Ministers Council at the time said his cover-up 
of
                racial profiling was the central issue as it opposed 
his
                appointment. 

                "It is clear from depositions and other documents that 
have
                been released that some of what we were told before 
was
                not accurate, and in fact misleading," Jackson said 
Friday.
                "There are some questions the (Council) believes need 
to
                be asked, not just of former Attorney General 
Verniero, but
                of his immediate predecessor and others in the 
attorney
                general's office and leadership of the state police." 

                In particular, Jackson said, the committee must 
address
                why state officials for three years refused to accept 
a 1996
                ruling by a trial judge in Gloucester County who 
wanted to
                dismiss some two-dozen criminal cases after concluding
                troopers had a pattern of racial profiling 

                Further, Jackson said lawmakers must ask if racial
                profiling would have been kept secret were it not for 
the
                1998 shooting on the New Jersey Turnpike. "The answer 
to
                this question is critically important and the minority
                community in particular, and the state at large, need 
to
                know," he said. 

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CITY TOURS BEING PLANNED: AmeriCop is planning to tour 10 cities and 
towns
                               this summer to boost public support for 
the police. Additionally, stops will
                               be made at several rest areas on the NJ 
Turnpike where public support will be
                               encouraged for NJ State Troopers.

                               -TROOPER GUNS  RECALLED: Last week 
AmeriCop weighed in on the problems NJ
                               Troopers were having with their newly 
issued pistols. We are happy to report
                               that the weapons are being recalled.

                               -PETITION DRIVE FOR NYPD COP CONTINUES: 
AmeriCop is continuing its efforts to
                               raise 10,000 names on petitions, in an 
effort to help Officer Charles Schwarz
                               get released from prison.  Thousands of 
citizens across America are convinced
                               Schwarz is innocent of the crimes he 
was accused of during the Volpe/Louima
                               trial which tool place in NYC two years 
ago. (More info)(Print petition)

                                                                  
Commentary
                                                          Standing up 
for America's Finest
                                                                   by: 
Steven L. Rogers


                               Unfortunately, individuals who express 
opinions which represent an
                               "anti-police" position are doing 
everything possible to demoralize the rank
                               and file of America's finest, and in 
particular New Jersey State Troopers.

                               These individuals have managed to 
capture the attention of the press, the
                               public, and the politicians. They have 
been successful in part, because the
                               majority of our leaders, both inside 
and outside the law enforcement
                               community have remained silent. Hence, 
when AmeriCop began to address these
                               high profile issues, individuals who 
have had a honeymoon bashing the police,
                               became somewhat stunned and are now 
expressing concern as to what strength we
                               are able to galvanize and how much 
impact we will have on the political
                               establishment.

                               At no time in the history of this 
republic has the police come under such an
                               intense attack. On television, radio 
and in the newspapers, the police are
                               being portrayed as the bad guys. While 
the "cop bashers" continue their
                               crusade, politicians who seek our 
support every November, run for cover.

                               This November however, there is going 
to be nowhere for them to hide. At
                               every public event, every meeting, 
every news interview, the question to
                               numerous politicians running for office 
is going to be asked- Where were you
                               when the police needed you? Where were 
you when New Jersey State Troopers
                               needed your encouragement and support? 
It will be interesting to see how they
                               answer that question. Because with an 
answer comes a political price to pay.

                               America's police officers need to know 
very clearly that the majority of the
                               people in this nation support them. 
They need to know that in the face of
                               tremendous opposition and criticism, 
the American people and America's
                               leaders are standing with them.  
AmeriCop provides the collective voice of
                               the American people in support of those 
who are called to protect and serve.
                               We intend to use that voice for the 
good of the police and the people.

                               Politicians know one language, votes! 
AmeriCop is going to make it very clear
                               to the political operatives who have 
remained silent and refused to support
                               our nations police, that we understand 
their language, and will turn our
                               political guns towards them come 
election time.  Tough talking? You bet!  But
                               these are tough times and we are 
addressing tough issues.

                               Many citizens continue to ask the 
question-"How are you (AmeriCop) able to
                               accomplish so much?" First, our mission 
is focused. We are not interested in
                               fund raising; therefore we do not have 
to spend time seeking donations.
                               Instead of seeking money, we seek the 
hearts, voices, and good will of the
                               American people.

                               AmeriCop knows very well that money is 
not the answer to the problems the
                               police profession is facing today.  
Instead, the answer lies in a willingness
                               of leaders to go into the arena on 
behalf of the hard working citizens and
                               police officers who need our support, 
and to challenge those individuals who
                               seek to destroy good men, good women, 
and good police organizations.

                               It is easy to sit behind a desk and 
make people feel good about what you say
                               you are doing for them. It is another 
matter to actually face overwhelming
                               odds and fight the good fight of faith 
on a national platform.

                               It is time for all Americans to stand 
up and voice their support for the
                               police by writing letters, signing 
petitions, and making calls to the people
                               we have elected to office to represent 
the interests of the people and not
                               the interest of special interest 
groups.

                               In the future, AmeriCop will be 
organizing a 10 city tour where we will be
                               bringing thousands of people together 
in support of their police. In the
                               meantime we ask you to send your 
emails, letters, and cards to us, expressing
                               your support for your local police. We 
ask you to spread the word about
                               AmeriCop and let the people know we 
need to work together to protect those
                               who protect us.

                               Thank you for standing up for America's 
finest and for supporting the
                               Greatest Cops In The World.-  Steven 
Rogers.

                                                                      
END

Hearing spotlight will be
                harsh on Verniero 

                By RALPH SIEGEL
                The Associated Press
                3/17/01 11:04 AM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- In 10 days, Peter Verniero will
                temporarily shed his judicial robes and testify again 
before
                the same Senate committee that approved his 
appointment
                to the New Jersey Supreme Court 22 months ago. 

                On Monday, the committee begins at least four days of
                public hearings on racial profiling, what the New 
Jersey
                State Police and the state attorney general's office 
knew
                about it and when, and what they did -- or did not do 
--
                about it. 

                Verniero, a former attorney general, is scheduled to 
appear
                on March 28, the final day. He is clearly the star 
attraction.

                Verniero told lawmakers in 1999 it did not become 
plain to
                him that racial profiling was a pattern and a problem 
in
                some state police units until that spring. Critics say
                documents disclosed since then show significant data 
was
                on his desk years earlier. 

                Six of the 11 senators he will be facing under oath 
voted no
                when the full Senate acted on his Supreme Court
                appointment 22 months ago. He was confirmed with the
                minimum 21 votes needed. 

                Further, two Republican senators who voted yes at the
                time now say they have serious second thoughts about
                their decision. And the committee is chaired by Sen.
                William Gormley, R-Atlantic, who has been discreetly
                silent on his views about Verniero lately. 

                The Verniero confirmation hearings featured some
                discussion about racial profiling, but the debate was
                mostly about the then-40-year-old Annandale lawyer's
                credentials for the bench after a career spent mostly 
as a
                political operative for Republicans like former Gov. 
Christie
                Whitman. 

                "I always believed he was always a political 
character, and
                a lot of the media and the people around there thought 
he
                was a lawyer," said Sen. John Lynch, D-Middlesex, the
                panel's ranking Democrat. At the confirmation 
hearings, he
                tried to make the state police more of the focus, 
peppering
                the attorney general with questions about memos,
                statistics and hiring decisions. 

                Since then, Lynch said, the volumes of additional 
evidence
                released by Attorney General John Farmer and provided 
in
                Judiciary Committee depositions -- all of it 
undisclosed
                when Verniero last appeared -- tilts the case more 
severely
                against Verniero. 

                "The record will be clear that he manipulated the 
process
                to his own benefit," Lynch said. "There is no question 
that
                he had knowledge of the seriousness of racial 
profiling, but
                that needs to come out." 

                It is unprecedented for the Legislature to seek 
testimony
                from three of the state's top seven members of the 
judicial
                branch, including the chief justice. 

                The Judiciary Committee's special counsel, Michael
                Chertoff, a former U.S. attorney, agreed to take
                closed-door depositions from Chief Justice Deborah 
Poritz
                and Associate Justice Jaynee LaVecchia, sparing them
                from a live appearance in a hearing room certain to be
                abuzz with news media and observers. But Gormley has
                insisted that Verniero testify publicly. 

                Depositions recently made public by the committee
                include one from Verniero's chief aide in the attorney
                general's office, Paul Zoubek, who said Verniero went
                against his staff's advice and pressed ahead with the 
April
                1999 indictments against troopers John Hogan and James
                Kenna for falsifying records. 

                Zoubek and others feared Verniero might jeopardize the
                effort to bring more serious charges against the two
                troopers for the 1998 shooting of three minority men 
during
                a New Jersey Turnpike car stop. But Zoubek in his
                deposition said Verniero was more worried about the 
public
                perception that things were happening too slowly. 

                Verniero's appearance before the committee will give 
its
                members and others a second assessment of his 
veracity.

                "I think the public is going to be asking me to pass
                judgment on him, and I take that responsibility on him 
very
                seriously," said Sen. John Matheussen, R-Gloucester, 
who
                supported Verniero's confirmation in 1999. 

                Sen. Louis Kosco, R-Bergen, voted in favor of Verniero
                without hesitation two years ago. 

                "Well, we are having second thoughts, certainly. There 
are
                a lot of questions that have to be answered, and he is
                going to have to answer them," he said. 

                Both men said Verniero's answers on racial profiling 
were a
                key in their decision to support him for the bench. 
Since
                then, both said their views have been altered by the 
reams
                of documents and depositions. 

                "If I found out that he lied on his job application, I 
would be
                outraged," Matheussen said. "This is probably one of 
the
                more serious things I have ever had to look at as a 
state
                legislator." 

                Lawmakers will not formally discuss judicial 
impeachment,
                a measure technically reserved for behavior on the 
bench,
                not prior to appointment. But one legislative aide 
told The
                Associated Press impeachment has become an
                increasingly lively topic of cloakroom conversation. 

                "Who knows if it will amount to anything, but it is 
shocking
                to hear them even talking about the topic less than 
two
                months after Whitman leaves the state," the aide said. 

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NJ--Racial
                Profiling-Committee 

                The Associated Press
                3/17/01 11:00 AM

                Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which 
begins
                hearings Monday on racial profiling, and how the 
members
                voted in May 1999 on former Attorney General Peter
                Verniero's nomination to the state Supreme Court. 

                SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE 

                7 Republicans, 4 Democrats. 

                James S. Cafiero, R-Cape May, voted yes. 

                Garry Furnari, D-Essex, voted no. 

                John A. Girgenti, D-Passaic, voted no. 

                William L. Gormley, R-Atlantic, chairman, voted yes. 

                Louis F. Kosco, R-Bergen, voted yes. 

                John A. Lynch, D-Middlesex, voted no. 

                Robert J. Martin, R-Morris, voted yes in committee, no 
on
                Senate floor. 

                John J. Matheussen, R-Gloucester, voted yes. 

                Edward T. O'Connor, D-Hudson, voted no. 

                Norm Robertson, R-Passaic, voted yes. 

                Raymond J. Zane, R-Gloucester, voted no. 

                Note: Sen. John O. Bennett, R-Monmouth, voted yes in
                1999 but no longer sits on committee. Zane was a
                Democrat at the time of his no vote. 

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NJ--Racial
                Profiling-Chronology 

                The Associated Press
                3/17/01 10:59 AM

                A chronology of legislative activity since a shooting 
by
                state troopers escalated the controversy over racial
                profiling. The Senate Judiciary Committee opens a new
                round of racial profiling hearings on Monday. 

                --April 23, 1998: Troopers James Kenna and John Hogan
                fire on a Dodge Caravan containing four minority men 
from
                New York during a traffic stop on the New Jersey 
Turnpike
                in Mercer County. Three of the van's occupants are
                wounded. Troopers claim the van was backing up to 
strike
                them. 

                --April 13, 1999: The Legislative Black and Latino 
Caucus
                conducts first of three public hearings with witnesses
                testifying about racial profiling incidents. The 
caucus
                eventually calls for outside civilian oversight of the 
state
                police. 

                --April 20: Attorney General Peter Verniero releases 
report
                saying racial profiling is "real, not imagined." The 
report
                acknowledges blacks are not only pulled over more 
often,
                they are far more likely to have their vehicles 
searched. 

                --April 26: Verniero appears before the first Senate
                Judiciary Committee on racial profiling and gives a 
public
                briefing on that report. 

                --May 6: Following two days of hearings, the Senate
                Judiciary Committee votes 7-4 to approve Verniero's
                nomination to state Supreme Court. 

                --May 10: After hours of debate, the Senate confirms
                Verniero with the minimum number of votes, 21. Three
                Republicans join all 15 Democrats to oppose the
                nomination. 

                --Aug. 27: The Black and Latino Caucus schedules a
                hearing for Aug. 30, giving minority troopers a chance 
to
                testify about racial discrimination within the state 
police. A
                letter to the troopers from acting Superintendent 
Michael
                Fedorko reminds them of regulations against disclosing
                confidential information. Some regard the letter as a 
threat
                to discourage those who might have considered 
testifying. 

                --Sept. 22, 2000: Attorney General John J. Farmer
                announces his decision to release state police records
                related to racial profiling, after months of fighting 
in court to
                block the release of the documents. 

                --Oct. 16: Senate Judiciary Committee asks to review
                those documents. Former U.S. Attorney Michael Chertoff
                agrees to head panel's inquiry. Chairman Sen. William 
L.
                Gormley, R-Atlantic, says hearings will be held. 

                --Nov. 20: Committee asks former Gov. Christie Whitman
                to turn over any records related to racial profiling 
in her
                office. 

                --Nov. 27: Farmer releases nearly 100,000 pages of 
state
                police documents. Reports, memos and other items show
                state authorities knew for more than a decade that
                minorities were being targeted for traffic stops by 
troopers. 

                --Feb 6, 2001: Committee releases witness list for
                hearings. Verniero and two other Supreme Court 
justices
                are named along with Farmer, several deputies in the
                attorney general's office and state police officers, 
including
                two former superintendents. 

                --March 6: Committee releases transcripts of 
depositions
                from more than two dozen key witnesses. Testimony
                includes statements from top state police officers and
                deputies in the attorney general's office that racial 
profiling
                was ignored, even after evidence showed troopers 
targeted
                minority drivers. 

                --March 8: Committee members agree to limit their 
racial
                profiling inquiry to a list of 11 issues. 

                --March 14: Committee releases final transcript of 
witness
                testimony. First Assistant Attorney General Paul 
Zoubek
                says Verniero bowed to public pressure and ordered
                indictment of troopers on records falsification 
charges. 

                --March 19: First of four scheduled hearings to begin. 

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NJ--Racial
                Profiling-Testimony 

                The Associated Press
                3/17/01 10:55 AM

                Excerpts of former Attorney General Peter G. 
Verniero's
                testimony about racial profiling during Senate 
Judiciary
                Committee hearings on his nomination as an associate
                justice of the New Jersey Supreme Court. 

                May 5, 1999 

                "As I said last week, I have ultimate responsibility 
for every
                action that is taken in my department, and 
specifically on
                the racial profiling issue, I feel I discharged my
                responsibility at all appropriate times." 

                "It was not until ... the turnpike incident of April 
of 1998
                where the issues and allegations of racial profiling
                crystallized in my mind. And at that point forward, I 
took
                very aggressive steps, I believe, at all the 
appropriate
                times." 

                "We began looking in earnest at these issues a year 
ago,
                and beyond that, as I indicated, we had a law 
enforcement
                summit in December of last year because I was so
                troubled and so concerned about the opinion surveys 
that I
                was seeing in which persons of color, minority 
citizens,
                distrusted police almost in an inverse proportion to 
majority
                citizens, non-minorities, who trusted police. And it 
became
                very apparent to me that we had a great divide in New
                Jersey, and that was very troubling to me, as chief 
law
                enforcement officer." 

                May 6, 1999 

                "As I say, the allegations of profiling crystallized 
in my
                mind around the time of the turnpike case. That's when 
we
                began looking at data in a comprehensive way starting 
with
                the two barracks." 

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NJ--Racial Profiling-Glance 

                The Associated Press
                3/17/01 10:53 AM

                The Senate Judiciary Committee has examined the nearly
                100,000 pages of documents on racial profiling 
released by
                New Jersey's attorney general in November. 

                The committee has also interviewed 28 current and 
former
                state police officials and ranking deputies in the 
attorney
                general's office. 

                Here are some of the materials the committee is
                considering: 

                --A report that looked at the race of motorists who 
had
                been searched on the New Jersey Turnpike on randomly
                selected dates from 1994 to 1996. Of 542 searches, 84
                percent involved minority motorists. At one barracks, 
94
                percent of the drivers searched in one three-month 
period
                were minorities. 

                --An excerpt from a 1989 state police memo containing
                one of the earliest internal warnings: 

                "New Jersey's status as a corridor state combined with 
its
                large Hispanic and black population ... exposes New
                Jersey state troopers to increased interaction with 
black
                and Hispanic criminals. The State Police, which is 
tasked
                with patrolling these interstate roadways, has 
recognized
                this situation and has accepted this `front line' role 
in the
                `war on drugs."' 

                --Another report that examined 31 incidents on the 
turnpike
                in 1995 and 1996 that resulted in arrests. Of the 46 
people
                arrested, only eight were white. Of the 30 cars 
stopped, 29
                were from out of state. 

                --An excerpt from a 1999 memo from a high-ranking 
deputy
                attorney general: 

                "Racial profiling exists as part of the culture. The
                assumption is made that minorities are drug dealers 
and
                cops are encouraged to stop them and toss their cars." 

                -- The deposition of First Assistant Attorney General 
Paul
                Zoubek in which he described a meeting with 
then-Attorney
                General Peter Verniero as the first anniversary of the
                incident in which two state troopers shot and wounded
                three minority motorists on the New Jersey Turnpike
                neared. Prosecutors had just told Verniero that their
                investigation needed more time. 

                Zoubek: "The question that the attorney general asked
                was, can we move the falsification indictment because 
we
                need to demonstrate action on this because we are 
getting
                subject to criticism of delay in this investigation." 

                Committee attorney Michael Chertoff: "Did anybody . . 
.
                besides the attorney general recommend that the
                falsification indictment be brought out before the
                anniversary of the shooting?" 

                Zoubek: "That was brought up by the attorney general." 

                Chertoff: "He was the one who recommended or raised 
that
                issue?" 

                Zoubek: "Yes." 

                --The deposition of state police Sgt. Thomas Gilbert, 
who
                testified that he began collecting data that showed 
minority
                drivers were stopped and searched much more frequently
                than white drivers. By February 1997 that data was in 
the
                hands of Carl Williams, then state police 
superintendent,
                and was then forwarded through a deputy to Verniero,
                witnesses said. 

                --The deposition of former Deputy Attorney General
                Alexander Waugh, who testified about meetings with
                Verniero. 

                Chertoff: "During this period, at meetings with the 
attorney
                general, was there a discussion about the fact that 
this
                was a real problem that had to be addressed and 
fixed?" 

                Waugh: "I think that the consensus was that it was not
                clear that it was a significant event ... that there 
was a
                pattern or a practice of racial profiling going on." 

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                Page after page, records set
                stage for committee hearings 

                By JOHN P. McALPIN
                The Associated Press
                3/17/01 10:51 AM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Page by page the story of how
                New Jersey's war on drugs became racial profiling has
                been laid out -- first in a cache of documents from 
the
                attorney general, then in transcripts of more than two
                dozen interviews with key law enforcement and state
                government officials. 

                Now comes time for the people behind that story -- 
state
                police officers, prosecutors, past and present 
attorneys
                general -- to tell their side before a state Senate
                committee. 

                "It's all there in the papers, in the record, 
everything is
                there. We're just going to walk people through it, 
hear what
                they have to say and then the committee will ask
                questions. Hopefully, we'll get answers," said state 
Sen.
                William L. Gormley, R-Atlantic, chairman of the Senate
                Judiciary Committee. 

                The committee's hearings begin Monday. They will focus
                on the state's response to the mounting evidence that
                racial profiling -- the practice of targeting minority 
motorists
                for traffic stops -- was being practiced by the state 
police. 

                While the attorney general's office knew as early as 
1988
                that race-based profiles of drug couriers were 
problematic,
                the committee's inquiry concentrates on a three-year
                period and the actions of one man. 

                In 1996, a Superior Court judge allowed racial 
profiling as a
                defense and dismissed evidence in drug cases. 

                In 1999, then Attorney General Peter Verniero admitted
                racial profiling was "real, not imagined" in a report 
issued
                before he joined the state Supreme Court. 

                The committee wants to know why the state continued to
                appeal the 1996 decision while state police audits
                increasingly indicated that blacks and other 
minorities
                were targeted more often than whites for traffic 
stops. 

                Verniero will be called to answer allegations that his 
office
                did not cooperate in the early stages of an 
investigation by
                the U.S. Justice Department. 

                Also under scrutiny is the decision to indict two 
state
                troopers on charges they falsified records at the same 
time
                a separate grand jury was investigating their 
involvement in
                the April 1998 shooting on the New Jersey Turnpike 
that
                outraged minority residents and drew national 
attention to
                the racial profiling issue. 

                Verniero later said it was not until the shooting and 
its
                investigation that racial profiling "crystallized" in 
his mind. 

                First on the witness list is state police Sgt. Thomas
                Gilbert, once assigned to study motor vehicle stops by
                fellow troopers. 

                A 1997 report by Gilbert says: "At this point, we are 
in a
                very bad spot. The Justice Department has a very good
                understanding of how we operate and what type of
                numbers they can get their hands on to prove their
                position." 

                Gilbert's study examined work done by troopers at the
                Moorestown barracks from April to December 1994 and
                again from July to December 1996. His data said 
minority
                motorists accounted for 89 percent of those subjected 
to
                searches by state troopers. Another study of troopers 
at
                the Cranbury barracks reportedly showed minorities
                accounted for 94 percent of all searches. 

                Last on the schedule is Verniero himself. Several
                witnesses have told the committee's interviewers that
                Verniero oversaw much of the investigation into 
profiling. A
                deputy attorney general said during one period he 
spoke
                with Verniero almost daily on the subject. But others 
said
                Verniero and high-ranking deputies never saw key 
reports
                that the Justice Department demanded. 

                In a May 1997 meeting, Verniero asked Carl Williams, 
then
                the state police superintendent, about data collected 
by
                Gilbert. 

                "The attorney general sort of fixed him in the eye, 
and said,
                `Look -- let's get this straight, is racial profiling 
a problem
                at the state police' and he said no," testified 
Alexander
                Waugh, a former deputy attorney general. 

                "I think that the consensus was that it was not clear 
...
                that there was a pattern or a practice of racial 
profiling
                going on," Waugh said. 

                All of these-once private conversations are now 
recounted
                in copies of the transcript available on the Internet 
and in a
                special reading room at the Statehouse. Also public 
are
                nearly 100,000 pages of records released in November 
by
                Attorney General John J. Farmer Jr. 

                The public deserves to see the details and hear all 
the
                answers, Gormley said. 

                "That's why we're doing this. We are going to have
                everything out in the open. At the end of this, people 
are
                going to be able to say this was one of the most 
thorough
                hearings ever held by the Legislature," Gormley said. 

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excellent work zofia.

joe


>From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Letter to the Editor sent
>Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:08:22 -0500
>
>	On March 19, three brothers working in November's New Brunswick municipal 
>election will face charges of election misconduct before a Highland Park 
>judge.  One of them, Matthew Smith, is a member of the New Brunswick 
>People's Campaign.  At these political trials, which were moved because of 
>a conflict of interest involving the New Brunswick judge and prosecutor, 
>the Smith brothers should be acquitted.
>
>	There was criminal activity on Election Day, but it was committed by the 
>New Brunswick City incumbents and their thugs.  They perpetrated hundreds 
>of election law violations that day, including: illegal electioneering 
>inside polling places; falsification of challenger's badges; terroristic 
>threats made on independent campaign workers, in addition to one 
>well-publicized assault carried out on Joseph Smith; lying to student 
>voters about their ability to cast votes, while allowing machine-friendly 
>voters to vote in the machines; and attempting to hide an American flag at 
>a polling site are just some of the offenses that are now being 
>investigated.  In the upcoming weeks, the New Brunswick People's Campaign 
>will be releasing a report that details these offenses.  The real criminals 
>who have exposed themselves as bankrupt must be brought to justice; but 
>before this occurs, the Highland Park judge should throw out these 
>politically motivated charges.
>
>Zofia Nowakowski
>New Brunswick People's Campaign
>
>

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coalition for justice
2 prospect st
trenton nj 08618
609 394 2060

for immediate release 14 march 01

A TIME TO MARCH:
THE MARCH ON TRENTON TO PROTEST POLICE BRUTALITY & RACIAL PROFILING

(Statement by Lawrence Hamm, Chairman, Coalition for Justice, and
head of the People's Organization for Progress at a press conference 
held at the statehouse in Trenton, NJ, Wednesday, March 14, 2001.  For
further information call 973 801 0001.)

Today, the Coalition for Justice (CFJ) calls upon everyone to be part 
of our March on Trenton, NJ, the state capital, on Wednesday, May 16
of this year.

We are calling this March because the problems of police brutality
and racial profiling are having a terrible effect on the lives of 
people 
throughout the state.  We are marching to demand an end to police 
brutality and racial profiling, to draw attention to these problems,
to advance reforms for police forces at the state and local levels,
and
to bring pressure to bear on government at all levels to enact these 
reforms.

This March arises out of our concern about recent incidents of police 
brutality and racial profiling including the death of Earl Faison
while in police custody in Orange, NJ, the shooting death of Stanton 
Crew on Rt. 80, the deaths of Jenny Hightower an Natalie Williams in 
Trenton, the shooting of three minority men on the NJTpk by state 
troopers, the killing of Amadou Diallo and other police brutality 
cases.

The Coalition for Justice is an alliance of grassroots, religious, 
civil rights, human rights, labor, student, and civic organizations, 
ordinary citizens, community leaders, activists, and elected
officials. CFJ calls upon all individuals and organizations concerned 
about the problems of police brutality and racial profiling to attend 
the March which will begin at 11:00am and the rally at the statehouse 
which will begin at 12:00noon.

The Coalition asks the community to support our demands, which in 
summary form are as follows: We demand the establishment of legally 
empowered, adequately funded, independent community-controlled police 
review boards with full investigative and subpoena powers, for police 
forces at the state, county, and local levels; the establishment of
an Office of the Independent State Posecutor to investigate and
prosecute cases of police brutality and racial profiling and other 
criminal justice system abuses; and passage of legislation that will 
outlaw all racial profiling by state, county, and local police, and
all 
other entities.

We demand that Mr. John J. Farmer, Jr., Attorney General of the State 
of New Jersey, reopen the investigation into the death of Earl
Faison.  We demand state and federal investigations into the deaths
of 
Jenny Hightower and Natalie Williams, federal prosecution of the 
killers of Stanton Crew, and investigations into all other cases of 
police brutality.

We demand a full review of the involvement and activities of New
Jersey Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero while state Attorney 
General, with regards to the issue of racial profiling by New Jersey 
State Troopers. We demand his removal from the state Supreme Court 
because of the manner in which he handled and dealt with that issue.

We demand the implementation of racial bias testing for police at all 
levels; the hiring of more African-American, Latino, women, and other 
minorities as officers at state, county, and local levels.  Finally,
we demand the full conviction on all counts of troopers John Hogan &
James Kenna at their September 4 trial, and that the trial be 
maintained in Mercer County with the current state prosecutor.  At
the 
conclusion of this press conference representatives of the coalition 
will visit the offices of the governor and attorney general to
request 
that meetings be scheduled to discuss our demands.

In addition to our demands, we encourage the passage of all
legislation related to truly solving the problems of police brutality 
and racial profiling proposed by members of the NJ Legislative Black 
and Latino Caucus.  We are particularly interested in S-858 (Turner/
Bryant/co:James) and A-937 (Jones/Payne) which would establish a 
Civilian Board of Review and investigate complaints and allegations
of 
state police misconduct, and S-861 (Bryant/James) and A-938 (Payne 
Watson/Coleman) which would create an Office of the Independent 
Prosecutor.

The Coalition is calling a mass organizing meeting for the March for 
Saturday, April 7.  It will take place at the Imani Community Center,
2 Prospect St. in Trenton at 4pm.  We invite everyone throughout the 
state and region who is interested in organizing or participating in 
the March to attend.

People are suffering and dying because of police brutality and racial 
profiling.  The pain is unbearable, the injustice is unconscionable, 
and the situation is critical.  Now is the time for fundamental
change in police forces and the criminal justice system.  Now is the 
time for people to march.  Let us march together for justice on May
16.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:57:53 -0500
From: Dahlia Goldenberg <daliag@...>
Reply-To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [njfo] Join an international campaign against Plan Colombia

Dear NJFO friends,

I am here in Ecuador for a year studying with women's grassroots organizations.  I have a friend who is working to organize a campaign against Plan Colombia, and they are looking for US organizations and individuals who would like to work on the campaign.  The organization is Women for Democrary (Mujeres por la Democracia), and they are particularly looking for women's organizations, or at least the perspective that they will put on the campaign is from the perspective of women's organizations.  If NJFO, Sisterhood and Struggle, or any of you (men or women) as individuals would like to get involved, you can write to me.  Also feel free to forward this to anyone who may be interested, or give me the contact info. for anyone who may be interested.  The idea is for you, along with other participants, to find the funds to come to Ecuador in a few months and design the campaign together with women from Ecuador and other parts of Latin America.  

Also, there will be an event in Brooklyn to honor Colombian human rights activists and peace activists.  The organizer of the event is an attorney who is also working with someone from WBAI radio and the Colombia Media Project.  He is not affiliated with the campaign in Ecuador.  

The event is April 29, 2001 from 11am to 3pm at the Brooklyn Society for Ethical Culture, 53 Prospect Park West.  If you want more info., or want to help publicize the event around New Brunswick, drop me a line, and I'll send you the contact info.

Thank you!!!!!!!

Dahlia Goldenberg

>      Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant 
repitition of 
> the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to Weimar 
Germany. 
> SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka 
is 
> warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was 
the German 
> Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal 
of 
> Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. 
Despite 
> their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by 
attacking 
> allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; just as 
the 
> trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis 
is not 
> our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to 
do with 
> revolution, Marxism, or working class power.

The comparison seems valid, at least loosely.    

Let's not forget, too, that to believe in Purity, to believe that 
there is some pure inner truth to any given person -- this is the 
basic idea that guides the most virulent forms of racism and gender 
oppression.  

This isn't as abstract as it seems.  Think of the old technique in the 
South of connecting "the defense of our White women" with "the 
necessity of keeping Blacks in their place".  

Unfortunately, if you insist upon a concept of morality that splits 
people up into Pure Good and Pure Evil, you end up having a way of 
thinking in common with something much much worse than 'Trotskyism' 
...

Yours,

Jeremy 






 

jeremy/keith, in response to the section below can you explain how curtis is 
liberal and not republican? and do either of you know what i can do to get 
njfo's position on the selection of bright?

keith how can you simotaneously uphold Amiri: Republicans in the Garbage 
Can! Peoples' War on the Right! and working with republicans within your 
organization? seems as if something has to give...

joe


Finally, the joke of the new millenium is the constant
repitition of the slogan: "Unite, don't split" and the references made to 
Weimar Germany.
SWORD's attacks on Curtis are exactly the type of thing that Baraka
is warning against when he brings up Weimar (The Weimar Republic was
the German Government after WW1 and pre-Hitler). The point is that the 
refusal of Communist and liberals to unite is what allowed Hitler to step 
in. Despite their pleas for unity SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity 
by attacking allies within the united front as we stand before the enemy; 
just as the trots did in Spain which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. 
Curtis is not our enemy to treat him like an enemy is trotskyism it has 
nothing to do with revolution, Marxism, or working class power.

>
>The comparison seems valid, at least loosely.
>
>Let's not forget, too, that to believe in Purity, to believe that
>there is some pure inner truth to any given person -- this is the
>basic idea that guides the most virulent forms of racism and gender
>oppression.
>
>This isn't as abstract as it seems.  Think of the old technique in the
>South of connecting "the defense of our White women" with "the
>necessity of keeping Blacks in their place".
>
>Unfortunately, if you insist upon a concept of morality that splits
>people up into Pure Good and Pure Evil, you end up having a way of
>thinking in common with something much much worse than 'Trotskyism'
>...
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Joe wrote:
"there is an exact connection between the development of soaries with the 
police murder of shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn 
adams. can you tell me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was 
killed? can you further explain to me why at coalition against police 
brutality meetings nothing else has been done outside of adams murder?"


Joe's statement here really drags this dispute to a new level of absurdity 
and does more to undermine the credibility of BOL/SWORD's callous, dogmatic, 
devisive charges against Curtis than I thought was possible.  In order to 
substantiate this hole that they've dug themselves into, Joe has now 
resorted to discrediteding Curtis by way of discrediting the entire history 
of the New Brunswick Coalition Against Police Brutality.  First off, to 
question where Curtis was before Sissy Adams was murdered by the NBPD is 
tantamount to betrayal of the role of an organizer, especially one who 
considers himself a revolutionary...Isn't it part of our role to lead the 
spontaneous upsurge caused by anticipated crisis (in this case, police 
brutality & Adams murder) & to seek out the "advanced" from the people?  To 
attack Curtis for stepping up to as a force in organizing his community, 
building the Coalition and as a consistant support for the greeving Adams 
family, is not only betrayal, but when this comes from a white, suburban 
bred settler in a community of poor, opressed nationalities, it really comes 
tinged with a subtle, but deep rooted chauvinism.

As for this incredible charge that the Coalition did nothing for years but 
work on the Adams case (I guess this is to say that Curtis manipulated us 
all that time to serve his own dasturdly ends as an
"imperialist running dog" !!), here is a partial list of our campaigns:

* Organized protests in the wake of the Adams murder, forced killer cop 
Consalvo off the force and out of town.  Upkept the Memorial Tree till this 
date, a broadly recognized symbol of popular resistance.

* Organized for 3 years to "Free the NB Three"--Omar Auten & Co.; Ultimately 
got charges dropped, and used the opportunity to bring wide public exposure 
to terrorist Sgt "Craterface" Millroy.

* Organized wide public exposure of NBPD/Somerset PD/County Sheriff Office 
break-ins & attacks on residences in Rutgers Village

* Organized wide public exposure of HUD sanctioned NBPD break-ins at NB 
Homes.

* Organized wide public exposure of Marshal/Chincilla shooting & retirement 
scheme, bringing first broad public scrutiny of prostitution houses through 
prees conferences, flyering etc. (contrary to Joe's strange assertions that 
we did nothing & BOL/SWORD's self-aggrandazing that they single-handedly 
brought convictions against Marshall & Chincilla.)

* Organized "Know Your Rights" public education campaigns throughout the NB 
neighborhoods for several years.

* Organized still incomplete "Right to Know" lawsuit to gain access to 
internal police files

* Organized campaigns to promote the cause for community control over the 
police, and community police review control board locally, & statewide.

* Organized against Racist Profiling statewide in the wake of the 
Hogan/Kenna turnpike shootings.

* etc, etc.

I could go on, but the point is that the work of the NBCAPB is a critical 
legacy of popular resistance, building unity & encouraging struggle in NB.  
Some of the closest allies the the Peoples' Campaign had in the community 
were a result of the years of work by the Coalition and people like Curtis.  
To attack this legacy in order to prop up BOL/SWORD's dogmatic, puritanical 
crusade against Curtis is opportunistic at best, and worse, it threatens 
more still to create divisions where they need not be and totally betrays 
their own demands to "Unite, Don't Split".


Finally, this: Joe wrote: "samantha prince had been attending coalition 
meetings for a long while, and every plan of action she suggested was 
co-opted by warren with long discussion only about adams."

Now, in my years with the Coalition, I witnessed Curtis & Samantha in a 
great, productive, & mutually respectful working relationship.  I can't 
speak for her, but what I saw was that she actually distanced herself from 
BOL during the City Council Race because she was embarassed by their attacks 
on Curtis, attacks that have continued in the most unprincipled manor, in 
the name of revolutionary principles, and in the most divisive way, in the 
name of Unity.  Same shit.

Hey, Joe- Take it easy...take a breath...this ain't happening...you're 
causing far more people to keep to keep their distance than would otherwise 
want to work with you.  Why dig the hole deeper?  BOL/SWORD has had some 
very valid criticisms of the PC & NJFO that could & should be discussed, but 
that is getting obscured in this, & it severely undermines your credibility 
& as Curtis said, while you attack him "your real enemy is closing in on 
you."

Matthew






----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith"
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Portrait of a Meta-Physician
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:50:27 -0500
keith in 1st paragraph, "SWORD makes unity impossible", and in last
sentence, "to treat him like the enemy is trotskyism", when was it enacted
by the reds that unity with trotsky was immpossible?
you cannot put it on SWORD that we organize splits, because as much as you
wanna scream that we attacked curtis and we're so stupid, SWORD has never
moved to expel warren, or anyone else from peoples' campaign. and check you
out attempting to drive a wedge between sword and the adams family, explain
that one.
i'm having a hard time understanding that your message is attemping to
define that SWORD cannot be worked with on any basis because of our exposure
of el curtis. why don't you take your arguement to the people and see that
everybody on the street that knows soaries will tell you that he is a
sell-out! not a religous leader... furthermore, curtis is not just a member
of 1st baptist, he is employed by soaries and, simply put, an aspiring
protege of soaries.
let us discuss the world we live in, as you suggest. there is an exact
connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of
shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell
me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further
explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing
else has been done outside of adams murder? roughly five years and a whole
police running whore houses scam later (let alone racist profiling).
samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and
every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long
discussion only about adams. and nothing has been done in five years. what a
champion of the working class.
i won't even mention that el curtis sabatoged our event to commemorate the
10 year mark of the police murder of shaun potts last summer by tearing down
our literature so as not to let word be spread around 1st baptist. hhmmm...
maybe you would like to explain why warren, "who has the right to practice
religion and is just a member of 1st baptist and is the most dedicated
working class activist in new brunswick", is an active member of the
republican party?
maybe you would like to explain why you yourself are an active member of the
republican party.
maybe you would like to explain how such "a single comment to the home news"
even came about to begin with? where does the commentS, "WE are not here to
tear down any political machine, WE are just here to try to do better" and
that "WE are (ready and) willing to work with the corporations in new
brunswick...", come from? do those commentS come from a dedicated working
class activist? where does that thought pattern come from, working class or
betrayal class? WE is not me.
why has njfo never criticized the commentS at all, like they are part of
your program also. those comments slander the peoples' campaign platform of
which i have never violated. and also i have never been able to petition the
general body about my expulsion led by xavier and enacted by the steering
committee.
curtis has never advocated soaries as a political leader you say. maybe, but
the problem is it that el curtis associates himself at all with developing
nazis. also the problem is that curtis has never spoken against sucker and
his right wing agenda and for someone that is that close to him, not to
condemn is only to embrace regardless if he stated it, that is the way the
WORLD works.
why does sucker hold hostage the over 1/2 million $$ already released by the
state to crossroads threatre? does that not attack black working class
culture, where is "working class activist curtis" to defend the threatre?
the ultimate error with you and your relationship with curtis is that rather
than organize the community, you latch on to someone that serves your
immediate purposes. problem is, you're being used. and that is what leads
and led to the rise of fascism. the so called communists/revolutionaries
surrendered their platforms to the right wing elements, and in turn dug the
graves for the masses of people. that is what you are doing know by not
even putting forward your position on the selection of bright, of which i
shouldn't even have to ask.
sword will unite with liberals, not republicans and those that aspire to
sell-out, you can have 'em. problem is, platform of community control has
lost.
joe
>From: "Keith Joseph" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [nbpc] 
>Portrait of a Meta-Physician Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:47 -0000
>
>SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and 
>working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous 
>attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity 
>and make unity impossible. The essence of Marxism is materialist 
>dialectics. The opposite of dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics 
>ackowledges the world in its multi-sided complexity and continous change, 
>development and transformation. Meta-physics sees the world (and in the 
>case at hand individuals) as static, one-sided and eternally the same. 
>SWORD's position on Curtis is a case study of meta-physical thinking taken 
>to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among the most dedicated 
>working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven himself and his 
>commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over again. SWORD just 
>like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for maintaining the 
>memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on Powers St. Not only 
>are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they are an insult to the 
>entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick. The tree is a real 
>symbol of working class resistance. SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for 
>two things. First for a single comment he made to the Home News reporter 
>and secondly for being a member of First Baptist Church where Buster 
>Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore all of Curtis's practice and 
>statements and focus in a single statement obviously has nothing to do with 
>Marxism or dialectics, or even semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that 
>matter. It is the meta-physical thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young 
>Catholic boys and girls. A lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a 
>single unforgivable sin etc. etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin 
>explains this type of thinking: "...Human knowledge is not (or does not 
>follow) a straight line, but a curve, which endlessly approximates a series 
>of circles, a spiral. Any fragment, segment, section of this curve can be 
>transformed into an independent, complete, straight line, which then (if 
>one does not see the forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of 
>clerical obsurantism (where it is anchored by the class interests of the 
>ruling-classes)..." Is this not exactly what SWORD has done? They have 
>taken a single statement by Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above 
>a fragment of information taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of 
>clerical obscurantism in ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed 
>into EXCALIBUR and cleanses the movement of Infidels... The second issue 
>constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of First Baptist Church. 
>Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs to be defended even 
>under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor Soaries as a political 
>leader. His choice of religion and church are a private matter which has 
>nothing to do with political organizing. Finally, the joke of the new 
>millenium is the constant repitition of the slogan: "Unite, don't split" 
>and the references made to Weimar Germany. SWORD's attacks on Curtis are 
>exactly the type of thing that Baraka is warning against when he brings up 
>Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German Government after WW1 and 
>pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of Communist and liberals to 
>unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite their pleas for unity 
>SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking allies within the 
>united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the trots did in Spain 
>which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not our enemy to treat 
>him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with revolution, 
>Marxism, or working class power. Take Care, Keith
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college ave student center 2nd flr. lounge

thursday 7pm 22 march

larry hamm from POP & minister lennie mohammed from trenton nation of 
islam will provide detailed answers to all questions. meeting will work 
to organize campus forum - 4 april and to raise activity towards march 
on trenton. all are encouraged and needed to come and take on some 
tasks.


joe 586 5535

spoof you frank.

joe

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., FBRIGHT123@a... wrote:
> 
> 
> Kristina,
> 
> You should be clear that your posting was refering to a spoof. A few people 
> have suggested that it appears as if you sent it as a real news report when 
> it is from the NYT OP-ED.
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> Kristina's text follows below:
> 
> just so you know..
> 
> Presidential Inaugural Committee (PIC) Executive Director
> Jeanne Johnson Phillips announced Wednesday that the theme
> for the 54th Presidential Inauguration is "The South Rises
> Again."
> 
> from, NY Times (1/17): MAUREEN DOWD: Yes, Yes! To Tara!

know what? and not to wake up mark...the more i think about it the less 
i can remember the coalition doing in the last 2 or so years. after 
fliering cop shot cop, which marshall & chinchilla have not been 
convicted for yet, i can't place anything. matt, why do you defend 
republicans and in replace attack and split with activists and 
revolutionaries? 

there have been people thrown out of peoples' campaign that haven't 
signed criticism letter of curtis/peoples' campaign. 

keith, where IN THE WORLD was activist el curtis during neal's 
campaign?

joe


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> "there is an exact connection between the development of soaries with the 
> police murder of shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn 
> adams. can you tell me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was 
> killed? can you further explain to me why at coalition against police 
> brutality meetings nothing else has been done outside of adams murder?"
> 
> 
> Joe's statement here really drags this dispute to a new level of absurdity 
> and does more to undermine the credibility of BOL/SWORD's callous, dogmatic, 
> devisive charges against Curtis than I thought was possible.  In order to 
> substantiate this hole that they've dug themselves into, Joe has now 
> resorted to discrediteding Curtis by way of discrediting the entire history 
> of the New Brunswick Coalition Against Police Brutality.  First off, to 
> question where Curtis was before Sissy Adams was murdered by the NBPD is 
> tantamount to betrayal of the role of an organizer, especially one who 
> considers himself a revolutionary...Isn't it part of our role to lead the 
> spontaneous upsurge caused by anticipated crisis (in this case, police 
> brutality & Adams murder) & to seek out the "advanced" from the people?  To 
> attack Curtis for stepping up to as a force in organizing his community, 
> building the Coalition and as a consistant support for the greeving Adams 
> family, is not only betrayal, but when this comes from a white, suburban 
> bred settler in a community of poor, opressed nationalities, it really comes 
> tinged with a subtle, but deep rooted chauvinism.
> 
> As for this incredible charge that the Coalition did nothing for years but 
> work on the Adams case (I guess this is to say that Curtis manipulated us 
> all that time to serve his own dasturdly ends as an
> "imperialist running dog" !!), here is a partial list of our campaigns:
> 
> * Organized protests in the wake of the Adams murder, forced killer cop 
> Consalvo off the force and out of town.  Upkept the Memorial Tree till this 
> date, a broadly recognized symbol of popular resistance.
> 
> * Organized for 3 years to "Free the NB Three"--Omar Auten & Co.; Ultimately 
> got charges dropped, and used the opportunity to bring wide public exposure 
> to terrorist Sgt "Craterface" Millroy.
> 
> * Organized wide public exposure of NBPD/Somerset PD/County Sheriff Office 
> break-ins & attacks on residences in Rutgers Village
> 
> * Organized wide public exposure of HUD sanctioned NBPD break-ins at NB 
> Homes.
> 
> * Organized wide public exposure of Marshal/Chincilla shooting & retirement 
> scheme, bringing first broad public scrutiny of prostitution houses through 
> prees conferences, flyering etc. (contrary to Joe's strange assertions that 
> we did nothing & BOL/SWORD's self-aggrandazing that they single-handedly 
> brought convictions against Marshall & Chincilla.)
> 
> * Organized "Know Your Rights" public education campaigns throughout the NB 
> neighborhoods for several years.
> 
> * Organized still incomplete "Right to Know" lawsuit to gain access to 
> internal police files
> 
> * Organized campaigns to promote the cause for community control over the 
> police, and community police review control board locally, & statewide.
> 
> * Organized against Racist Profiling statewide in the wake of the 
> Hogan/Kenna turnpike shootings.
> 
> * etc, etc.
> 
> I could go on, but the point is that the work of the NBCAPB is a critical 
> legacy of popular resistance, building unity & encouraging struggle in NB.  
> Some of the closest allies the the Peoples' Campaign had in the community 
> were a result of the years of work by the Coalition and people like Curtis.  
> To attack this legacy in order to prop up BOL/SWORD's dogmatic, puritanical 
> crusade against Curtis is opportunistic at best, and worse, it threatens 
> more still to create divisions where they need not be and totally betrays 
> their own demands to "Unite, Don't Split".
> 
> 
> Finally, this: Joe wrote: "samantha prince had been attending coalition 
> meetings for a long while, and every plan of action she suggested was 
> co-opted by warren with long discussion only about adams."
> 
> Now, in my years with the Coalition, I witnessed Curtis & Samantha in a 
> great, productive, & mutually respectful working relationship.  I can't 
> speak for her, but what I saw was that she actually distanced herself from 
> BOL during the City Council Race because she was embarassed by their attacks 
> on Curtis, attacks that have continued in the most unprincipled manor, in 
> the name of revolutionary principles, and in the most divisive way, in the 
> name of Unity.  Same shit.
> 
> Hey, Joe- Take it easy...take a breath...this ain't happening...you're 
> causing far more people to keep to keep their distance than would otherwise 
> want to work with you.  Why dig the hole deeper?  BOL/SWORD has had some 
> very valid criticisms of the PC & NJFO that could & should be discussed, but 
> that is getting obscured in this, & it severely undermines your credibility 
> & as Curtis said, while you attack him "your real enemy is closing in on 
> you."
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "joseph smith"
> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> Subject: Re: [nbpc] Portrait of a Meta-Physician
> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 13:50:27 -0500
> keith in 1st paragraph, "SWORD makes unity impossible", and in last
> sentence, "to treat him like the enemy is trotskyism", when was it enacted
> by the reds that unity with trotsky was immpossible?
> you cannot put it on SWORD that we organize splits, because as much as you
> wanna scream that we attacked curtis and we're so stupid, SWORD has never
> moved to expel warren, or anyone else from peoples' campaign. and check you
> out attempting to drive a wedge between sword and the adams family, explain
> that one.
> i'm having a hard time understanding that your message is attemping to
> define that SWORD cannot be worked with on any basis because of our exposure
> of el curtis. why don't you take your arguement to the people and see that
> everybody on the street that knows soaries will tell you that he is a
> sell-out! not a religous leader... furthermore, curtis is not just a member
> of 1st baptist, he is employed by soaries and, simply put, an aspiring
> protege of soaries.
> let us discuss the world we live in, as you suggest. there is an exact
> connection between the development of soaries with the police murder of
> shaun potts and warren with the police murder of carolyn adams. can you tell
> me where IN THE WORLD was warren before adams was killed? can you further
> explain to me why at coalition against police brutality meetings nothing
> else has been done outside of adams murder? roughly five years and a whole
> police running whore houses scam later (let alone racist profiling).
> samantha prince had been attending coalition meetings for a long while, and
> every plan of action she suggested was co-opted by warren with long
> discussion only about adams. and nothing has been done in five years. what a
> champion of the working class.
> i won't even mention that el curtis sabatoged our event to commemorate the
> 10 year mark of the police murder of shaun potts last summer by tearing down
> our literature so as not to let word be spread around 1st baptist. hhmmm...
> maybe you would like to explain why warren, "who has the right to practice
> religion and is just a member of 1st baptist and is the most dedicated
> working class activist in new brunswick", is an active member of the
> republican party?
> maybe you would like to explain why you yourself are an active member of the
> republican party.
> maybe you would like to explain how such "a single comment to the home news"
> even came about to begin with? where does the commentS, "WE are not here to
> tear down any political machine, WE are just here to try to do better" and
> that "WE are (ready and) willing to work with the corporations in new
> brunswick...", come from? do those commentS come from a dedicated working
> class activist? where does that thought pattern come from, working class or
> betrayal class? WE is not me.
> why has njfo never criticized the commentS at all, like they are part of
> your program also. those comments slander the peoples' campaign platform of
> which i have never violated. and also i have never been able to petition the
> general body about my expulsion led by xavier and enacted by the steering
> committee.
> curtis has never advocated soaries as a political leader you say. maybe, but
> the problem is it that el curtis associates himself at all with developing
> nazis. also the problem is that curtis has never spoken against sucker and
> his right wing agenda and for someone that is that close to him, not to
> condemn is only to embrace regardless if he stated it, that is the way the
> WORLD works.
> why does sucker hold hostage the over 1/2 million $$ already released by the
> state to crossroads threatre? does that not attack black working class
> culture, where is "working class activist curtis" to defend the threatre?
> the ultimate error with you and your relationship with curtis is that rather
> than organize the community, you latch on to someone that serves your
> immediate purposes. problem is, you're being used. and that is what leads
> and led to the rise of fascism. the so called communists/revolutionaries
> surrendered their platforms to the right wing elements, and in turn dug the
> graves for the masses of people. that is what you are doing know by not
> even putting forward your position on the selection of bright, of which i
> shouldn't even have to ask.
> sword will unite with liberals, not republicans and those that aspire to
> sell-out, you can have 'em. problem is, platform of community control has
> lost.
> joe
> >From: "Keith Joseph" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To: 
> >nbpeoplescampaign@y... CC: njfo@y... Subject: [nbpc] 
> >Portrait of a Meta-Physician Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:47 -0000
> >
> >SWORD has launched a sustained campign against community activist and 
> >working-class leader Curtis Warren for the past 9 months. Their continous 
> >attacks on Curtis bring meta-physical thinking to new heights of stupidity 
> >and make unity impossible. The essence of Marxism is materialist 
> >dialectics. The opposite of dialectics is meta-physics. Dialectics 
> >ackowledges the world in its multi-sided complexity and continous change, 
> >development and transformation. Meta-physics sees the world (and in the 
> >case at hand individuals) as static, one-sided and eternally the same. 
> >SWORD's position on Curtis is a case study of meta-physical thinking taken 
> >to bizarre extremes. Curtis Warren is among the most dedicated 
> >working-class activist in New Brunswick. He has proven himself and his 
> >commitment to the people of New Brunswick over and over again. SWORD just 
> >like the mayors ass Kevin Jones even attacked Curtis for maintaining the 
> >memorial tree dedicated to the memory of Sissy Adams on Powers St. Not only 
> >are their attacks an unwarranted insult to Curtis they are an insult to the 
> >entire Adams family and the people of New Brunswick. The tree is a real 
> >symbol of working class resistance. SWORD attacks Curtis over and over for 
> >two things. First for a single comment he made to the Home News reporter 
> >and secondly for being a member of First Baptist Church where Buster 
> >Soaries is the Pastor. First, to ignore all of Curtis's practice and 
> >statements and focus in a single statement obviously has nothing to do with 
> >Marxism or dialectics, or even semi-intelligent bourgeois thought for that 
> >matter. It is the meta-physical thinking that is taught in C.C.D. to young 
> >Catholic boys and girls. A lifetime of service to god can be ruined by a 
> >single unforgivable sin etc. etc. In "On the question of dialectics" Lenin 
> >explains this type of thinking: "...Human knowledge is not (or does not 
> >follow) a straight line, but a curve, which endlessly approximates a series 
> >of circles, a spiral. Any fragment, segment, section of this curve can be 
> >transformed into an independent, complete, straight line, which then (if 
> >one does not see the forest for the trees) leads into the quagmire of 
> >clerical obsurantism (where it is anchored by the class interests of the 
> >ruling-classes)..." Is this not exactly what SWORD has done? They have 
> >taken a single statement by Curtis and ignored all else. As Lenin sd above 
> >a fragment of information taken in a straight line leading to a quagmire of 
> >clerical obscurantism in ultra-left field where the SWORD is transformed 
> >into EXCALIBUR and cleanses the movement of Infidels... The second issue 
> >constantly being raised is that Curtis is a member of First Baptist Church. 
> >Freedom of Religion is a democractic right that needs to be defended even 
> >under socialism. Curtis has never advocated Pastor Soaries as a political 
> >leader. His choice of religion and church are a private matter which has 
> >nothing to do with political organizing. Finally, the joke of the new 
> >millenium is the constant repitition of the slogan: "Unite, don't split" 
> >and the references made to Weimar Germany. SWORD's attacks on Curtis are 
> >exactly the type of thing that Baraka is warning against when he brings up 
> >Weimar (The Weimar Republic was the German Government after WW1 and 
> >pre-Hitler). The point is that the refusal of Communist and liberals to 
> >unite is what allowed Hitler to step in. Despite their pleas for unity 
> >SWORD is the grouping that prevents unity by attacking allies within the 
> >united front as we stand before the enemy; just as the trots did in Spain 
> >which allowed Franco to march on Madrid. Curtis is not our enemy to treat 
> >him like an enemy is trotskyism it has nothing to do with revolution, 
> >Marxism, or working class power. Take Care, Keith
> >
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For everyone's information....


40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office; 
appointments; disclosure requirements; removal


 a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the 
governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by 
resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for 
the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be 
known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the 
county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and 
instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing 
authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local 
Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et 
seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that 
operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional 
County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six 
members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice 
and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall 
be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other 
counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the 
governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one 
by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or 
in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen 
freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the 
county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the 
Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms 
of five years and until their respective successors have been 
appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first 
appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of 
one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years, 
one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All 
appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by 
the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies 
shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were 
made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the 
county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90 
days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the 
Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive, 
governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the 
vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled 
within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for 
the unexpired term.
 In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing 
authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who 
were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer 
of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the 
effective date of this act shall continue in office until the 
expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in 
accordance with the terms of this act.
 b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within 
the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter 
create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing 
authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing 
body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no 
municipality within that county shall create an authority without the 
consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority.
 c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as 
it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such 
programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of 
a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a 
resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto.
 d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer 
or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is 
created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any 
member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the 
county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive 
evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member 
of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but 
shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily 
incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including 
travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the 
members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall 
constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting 
its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action 
may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the 
majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in 
any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number. 
The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among 
its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its 
secretary.

e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest, 
direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property 
included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he 
have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed 
contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in 
connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an 
authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any 
property included or planned to be included in a housing project he 
shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and 
the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority. 
Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in 
office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such 
a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority 
affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is 
required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office 
a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or 
officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only 
after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior 
to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in 
person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an 
authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and 
findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the 
county or municipality.

Amended by L.1993, c. 344, � 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993.

hey bright, how can you claim to represent the people when you thief their 
position?

curtis, how can you support a thief - which again you violate peoples' 
campaign platform?

do members of the peoples' campaign/new brunswick have a position on the 
selection of bright which is in violation of federal law?

community control over housing! republicans in the garbage can!

joe


>For everyone's information....
>
>
>40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office;
>appointments; disclosure requirements; removal
>
>
>  a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the
>governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by
>resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for
>the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be
>known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the
>county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and
>instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing
>authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local
>Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et
>seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that
>operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional
>County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six
>members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice
>and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall
>be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other
>counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the
>governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one
>by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or
>in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen
>freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the
>county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the
>Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms
>of five years and until their respective successors have been
>appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first
>appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of
>one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years,
>one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All
>appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by
>the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies
>shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were
>made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the
>county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90
>days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the
>Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive,
>governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the
>vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled
>within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for
>the unexpired term.
>  In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing
>authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who
>were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer
>of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the
>effective date of this act shall continue in office until the
>expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in
>accordance with the terms of this act.
>  b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within
>the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter
>create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing
>authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing
>body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no
>municipality within that county shall create an authority without the
>consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority.
>  c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as
>it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such
>programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of
>a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a
>resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto.
>  d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer
>or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is
>created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any
>member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the
>county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive
>evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member
>of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but
>shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily
>incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including
>travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the
>members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall
>constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting
>its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action
>may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the
>majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in
>any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number.
>The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among
>its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its
>secretary.
>
>e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest,
>direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property
>included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he
>have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed
>contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in
>connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an
>authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any
>property included or planned to be included in a housing project he
>shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and
>the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority.
>Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in
>office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such
>a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority
>affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is
>required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office
>a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or
>officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only
>after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior
>to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in
>person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an
>authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and
>findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the
>county or municipality.
>
>Amended by L.1993, c. 344, � 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993.
>
>

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meeting to organize election of public housing resident to housing 
authority.

saturday afternoon in projects. more details coming.

all pressure must be put on city council tomorrow 7:00 pm city hall.
we must demand that they comply with election and hold them responsible for 
their part on the selection of bright.

contact joe smith 586.5535 can_bush@...
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Please segment out the area that you feel Frank Bright is in violation of.
I read it through twice and could not find the part where it says "They must
be a resident of public housing to be on the board"?

Just for mention-sake, the latest "effective" date on the email is 1993,
nothing specifically regarding anything in 1999, let alone a new regulation.


Erric Z.



 -----Original Message-----
From: Groovemeister007@... [mailto:Groovemeister007@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:42 PM
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] STATE LAW ON APPOINTMENT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSIONERS


  For everyone's information....


  40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office;
  appointments; disclosure requirements; removal


  a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the
  governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by
  resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for
  the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be
  known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the
  county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and
  instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing
  authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local
  Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et
  seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that
  operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional
  County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six
  members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice
  and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall
  be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other
  counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the
  governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one
  by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or
  in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen
  freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the
  county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the
  Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms
  of five years and until their respective successors have been
  appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first
  appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of
  one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years,
  one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All
  appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by
  the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies
  shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were
  made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the
  county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90
  days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the
  Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive,
  governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the
  vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled
  within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for
  the unexpired term.
  In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing
  authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who
  were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer
  of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the
  effective date of this act shall continue in office until the
  expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in
  accordance with the terms of this act.
  b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within
  the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter
  create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing
  authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing
  body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no
  municipality within that county shall create an authority without the
  consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority.
  c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as
  it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such
  programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of
  a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a
  resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto.
  d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer
  or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is
  created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any
  member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the
  county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive
  evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member
  of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but
  shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily
  incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including
  travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the
  members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall
  constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting
  its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action
  may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the
  majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in
  any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number.
  The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among
  its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its
  secretary.

  e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest,
  direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property
  included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he
  have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed
  contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in
  connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an
  authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any
  property included or planned to be included in a housing project he
  shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and
  the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority.
  Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in
  office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such
  a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority
  affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is
  required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office
  a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or
  officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only
  after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior
  to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in
  person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an
  authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and
  findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the
  county or municipality.

  Amended by L.1993, c. 344, � 1, eff. Dec. 27, 1993.



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                                           135 Throop Avenue, New Brunswick, 
NJ 08901

                                           E-Mail: NB_CC_TF_@yahoogroups.com

                                                      Tel. (732) 745-2602

                                                        March 15, 2001

The New Brunswick Community Center Task Force was formed with the vision of 
creating a world class
community center with Olympic size swimming pools open to all residents of 
the City of New
Brunswick. We believe this community center will complement the impressive 
development in the
downtown area and make our city not just a nice place to work in, but also a 
very nice place to
live in.

Our mission will be to reach out to other community organizations and with 
their assistance empower
the community to make this dream a reality.

As a precursor to the Community Center we will explore the concept of a 
"Community Center Without
Walls" as envisioned by Morris Kafka, President of the Second Ward 
Neighborhood Block Club.

This "Center Without Walls" can bring together the local organizations that 
are offering various
opportunities, such as: computer and literacy skills, gardening, mural 
painting, etc. It could also
help scheduling, provide publicity and networking between the various groups 
and our residents.

We hope to create and circulate a monthly master calendar with all the 
upcoming events and
organizational information. We also hope to maintain a web site with this 
information. This will be
done in cooperation with existing publications and web sites

To demonstrate tangible community support and raise seed money for the 
Community Center Project, we
will proceed as follows:

  a.Ask the residents who live on Commercial Avenue to sign a petition 
requesting that the City
     Council change the name of Commercial Avenue to Paul Robeson Avenue and 
reserve a space on each
     corner of the avenue for a plaque.
  b.We intend to dedicate plaques on Paul Robeson Avenue to honor the memory 
of prominent deceased
     members of this community.
  c.As of this date we have received the following names of prominent 
deceased members of the
     community: Ivory Braswell, Dr. Eric Chandler, Rev. Joe Clark, James 
Cook, Sr., Fr. Crupi,
     Richard Garell, James P. Johnson, Earline Jones, Rev. James Kirk, Dr. 
Lewis, Cumi Manderville,
     Robert Mitchell, Willie Ratliff, Goldie Thomas, Brian Van Liew, Esther 
Washington, and Rev.
     Marcus Williams. Other names are welcome.
  d.Before dedicating a plaque in honor of a deceased member of the 
community, we intend to ask for
     an as yet undecided number of signatures and a donation of at least 
$5.00 with each signature.
     These donations will be deposited in a Community Center Development 
Fund.
  e.Through this project, we hope to raise a minimum of $40,000.00 for the 
Community Center
     Development Fund and demonstrate, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that 
the community supports the
     vision of a world class Community Center with Olympic size swimming 
pools in New Brunswick.

We also need letters of support from community organizations. Please ensure 
that the organizations
to which you belong send us letters of support.

Our next meeting will be on March 27th, meetings start at 6:30 P.M. on the 
last Tuesday in each
month at 116 Livingston Avenue, between Suydam St. and Townsend St. Please 
attend and bring someone
with you.

Joseph Mosley.

For the Community Center Task Force


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This statute contains the requirement for board membership by a
resident.

42 U.S.C. � 1437

(b) Public housing agency organization

  (1) Required membership

Except as provided in paragraph (2), the membership of the board of
directors or similar governing body of each public housing agency
shall contain not less than 1 member--

(A) who is directly assisted by the public housing agency; and

(B) who may, if provided for in the public housing agency plan, be
elected by the residents directly assisted by the public housing
agency.


>From: "Erric L. Zdzchowski" <erricz@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [nbpc] STATE LAW ON APPOINTMENT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY 
>COMMISSIONERS
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:05:45 -0500
>
>Please segment out the area that you feel Frank Bright is in violation of.
>I read it through twice and could not find the part where it says "They 
>must
>be a resident of public housing to be on the board"?
>
>Just for mention-sake, the latest "effective" date on the email is 1993,
>nothing specifically regarding anything in 1999, let alone a new 
>regulation.
>
>
>Erric Z.
>
>
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:42 PM
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] STATE LAW ON APPOINTMENT OF HOUSING AUTHORITY COMMISSIONERS
>
>
>   For everyone's information....
>
>
>   40A:12A-17. Housing authority; creation; members; terms of office;
>   appointments; disclosure requirements; removal
>
>
>   a. Except as provided in subsection b. of this section, the
>   governing body of any county or municipality may, by ordinance, or by
>   resolution in the case of a county whose charter does not provide for
>   the adoption of ordinances, create a body corporate and politic to be
>   known as the "Housing Authority of ...," inserting the name of the
>   county or municipality. The authority shall constitute an agency and
>   instrumentality of the municipality or county creating it. A housing
>   authority shall be created pursuant to the procedures of the "Local
>   Authorities Fiscal Control Law," P.L.1983, c. 313 (C. 40A:5A-1 et
>   seq.). The authority shall consist of seven members. In a county that
>   operates under the "county executive plan" set forth in the "Optional
>   County Charter Law," P.L.1972, c. 154 (C. 40:41A-1 et seq.), six
>   members shall be appointed by the county executive with the advice
>   and consent of the board of chosen freeholders, and one member shall
>   be appointed by the Commissioner of Community Affairs. In all other
>   counties and municipalities, five members shall be appointed by the
>   governing body of the county or municipality, as the case may be, one
>   by the mayor or other chief executive officer of the municipality, or
>   in the case of a county by the director of the board of chosen
>   freeholders or by the chief executive officer of the county if the
>   county's charter provides for such an officer, and one by the
>   Commissioner of Community Affairs. The members shall serve for terms
>   of five years and until their respective successors have been
>   appointed and qualified; except that of the five members first
>   appointed by the governing body one shall be appointed for a term of
>   one year, one for a term of two years, one for a term of three years,
>   one for a term of four years and one for a term of five years. All
>   appointments shall be subject to and made in the manner required by
>   the law under which the county or municipality is governed. Vacancies
>   shall be filled in the same manner as the original appointments were
>   made, but for the unexpired term. If a vacancy is not filled by the
>   county executive, governing body or chief executive officer within 90
>   days of the occurrence of the vacancy, the Commissioner of the
>   Department of Community Affairs shall notify the county executive,
>   governing body or chief executive officer of his intent to fill the
>   vacancy if it is not filled in 30 days. If the vacancy is not filled
>   within that 30 day period, the commissioner may appoint a member for
>   the unexpired term.
>   In any county or municipality which has heretofore created a housing
>   authority pursuant to R.S. 55:14A-4, the members of the authority who
>   were appointed by the governing body and the chief executive officer
>   of the county or municipality and who are in office upon the
>   effective date of this act shall continue in office until the
>   expiration of the terms for which they are appointed and qualified in
>   accordance with the terms of this act.
>   b. No municipality which has been included with its consent within
>   the area of operation of a county housing authority shall thereafter
>   create a municipal housing authority. Where there is no housing
>   authority in existence in any municipality of a county, the governing
>   body of that county may create a housing authority, and thereafter no
>   municipality within that county shall create an authority without the
>   consent of the county governing body and the county housing authority.
>   c. A county may provide such publicly assisted housing programs as
>   it chooses anywhere within the county; but it may provide such
>   programs in municipalities which are within the area of operation of
>   a county or municipal housing authority only after adoption of a
>   resolution of the housing authority consenting thereto.
>   d. No more than one member of a housing authority may be an officer
>   or employee of the municipality or county by which the authority is
>   created. A certificate of the appointment or reappointment of any
>   member shall be filed with the clerk of the municipality or the
>   county, as the case may be, and that certificate shall be conclusive
>   evidence of the due and proper appointment of that member. A member
>   of an authority shall receive no compensation for his services, but
>   shall be entitled to reimbursement for actual expenses necessarily
>   incurred in the discharge of the duties of membership, including
>   travel expenses. The powers of the authority shall be vested in the
>   members thereof in office from time to time. Four members shall
>   constitute a quorum of the authority for the purpose of conducting
>   its business and exercising its powers and all other purposes. Action
>   may be taken by the authority upon the affirmative vote of the
>   majority, but not less than four of the members present, unless in
>   any case the bylaws of the authority shall require a larger number.
>   The authority shall select a chairman and a vice-chairman from among
>   its members, and shall employ an executive director, who shall be its
>   secretary.
>
>   e. No member or employee of an authority shall acquire any interest,
>   direct or indirect, in any housing project or in any property
>   included or planned to be included in such a project, nor shall he
>   have any interest, direct or indirect, in any contract or proposed
>   contract for materials and services to be furnished or used in
>   connection with any housing project. If any member or employee of an
>   authority owns or controls an interest, direct or indirect, in any
>   property included or planned to be included in a housing project he
>   shall immediately disclose the same in writing to the authority and
>   the disclosure shall be entered upon the minutes of the authority.
>   Failure to disclose such an interest shall constitute misconduct in
>   office. A member or employee required by this subsection to make such
>   a disclosure shall not participate in any action by the authority
>   affecting the property with respect to which such disclosure is
>   required. For inefficiency or neglect of duty or misconduct in office
>   a member of an authority may be removed by the governing body or
>   officer by which he was appointed; but a member may be removed only
>   after he has been given a copy of the charges at least 10 days prior
>   to a hearing thereon and has had the opportunity to be heard in
>   person or by counsel. In the event of a removal of any member of an
>   authority a record of the proceedings, together with the charges and
>   findings thereon, shall be filed in the office of the clerk of the
>   county or municipality.
>
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Erric:

There must be a person "directly assisted" by the housing authority 
on its board, pursuant to 42 U.S.C. 1437(b)(1).  That federal 
requirement took effect in October 1998.  Note that such 
resident "may" but is not required to be elected by the residents.  
The elected-or-not question, by virtue of the same statute, must be 
addressed in the public housing agency plan for New Brunswick.  
However, I do not know what that plan says and it ought to be 
consulted.

You are correct in pointing out that the state law on the subject, 
N.J.S.A. 40A:12A-17 does not contain a requirement that a 
person "directly assisted" by the housing authority serve on its 
board.  That law was last amended in 1993.

However, since federal law trumps state law pursuant to article VI of 
the U.S. Constitution, the federal law controls.  The open question 
is how to bring the federal requirement within the framework of the 
state statute.  The NB City Council has heretofore disclaimed any 
responsibility to use one of its five appointments to appoint the 
member required by federal law.  But I have not seen any legal 
reasoning justifying their position.  Thus, it could be argued that 
the city council has failed to obey the federal mandate.  

1st we shd state that there is no place within the peoples' democratic 
united front against imperialism for republicans.

2nd we should recognize that petty bourgeois opportunism confused 
(denied) the differences between the democrats & republicans in the 
presidential election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate 
(Bush2) seizing power.  A defeat for the people, at the hands of 
"progressives".  The road to hell is paved w/ good intentions.

Locally, we must acknowledge that the Peoples' Campaign's opportunism 
confused (ignored) the difference between the democrats & republicans 
in the council election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate 
(FBushNB)seizing power.  A defeat for the people, at the hands of 
"progressives".

The Peoples' Campaign/ NJFO ("for revolutionary democracy & 
socialism"), take no responsibility for this.  Instead, hurl insults 
at their critics.

The PC/NJFO puts forward the position that the peoples' primary enemy 
in New Brunswick is the local Democratic political machine.  This view 
is devoid of any class analysis, regardless the claims to marxism of 
its defenders.  The Republican polical machine puts forward the EXACT 
SAME POSITION, as it does nationally.  

The Republican position is that the Democrats are corrupt & 
inefficient.  Gov't oversight, review, open books, anti-corruption, 
know yr rights, memorials(MLK...), fairness, "equality", 
anti-brutality &c., all fit within the Republican (stated) program as 
against the Democrats. In this way, the Republicans manipulate popular 
dicontent with Democratic imperial sloppiness (Clinton, TedKennedy, 
Cahill...), to replace w/ their more streamlined, "compassionate" 
corporationism. They're not here to tear down the political machine, 
just to do better. 

The critics on the right do not fear abstract reformism. The 
Republicans put Nadir in their anti-Gore ads!

The Republicans also put the Peoples' Campaign in their anti-Cahill 
progam.  Because the PC made no anti-imperialist, clear, working-class 
(peoples') position.  Only Seize Power From Cahill! "Community" is 
ambiguous. Bush promotes the "Peoples' Budget"!  Republicans were 
embraced into the highest positions of the PC, boosting their minority 
position in NB. They & J&J both are eager to oust the clumsy 
Democrats.

NB Republican Party Chair FB played the PC well.  His anti-Marxist, 
anti-worker position was open & clear.  Yet he maintains official good 
standing in the PC (certain individual bad feelings aside).  His most 
public defenders come from w/in the PC at its highest levels, from its 
most respected leaders, who themselves REGISTERED AS REPUBLICANS!  
Why? to chase "office dreams", instead of peoples' organization.

The PC/NJFO minimizes (criminally) the relationship of the Republican 
Secratary of State (DS) to the people of NJ & NB. DS is a fascist 
operative.  His entire role is to cover racist profiling brutality, 
the open, state terror of imperialist dictatorship.  Regardless of his 
"religious" trappings (speaking of "clerical obscurantism" & "missing 
Deforest for the trees"!), any affiliation to him is political, and 
especially so when that affiliation comes from another political 
figure, like an area council candidate!  Where is the demand that DS 
release the $500,000 appropriated by the state legislature to 
Crossroads Theater?  Where the demand that DS retract his official 
defense of Attorney General (now SCJustice!) Peter ("racist profiling 
didn't exist before 4/'98") Verniero?

DS' love-fest w/ Bush2 & DiFransesco last week is testament to local 
Republican insurgency.  & responsibility falls squarely on the PC 
"Republican Revolution".

Peoples' war on the right!  We also "zero in", curtis.
Go Frank Go Frank (& his Republican defenders) in the garbage can! 

                                                                      
     





                NJ--Racial Profiling-Glance 

                The Associated Press
                3/20/01 8:48 PM

                The Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday continued
                hearings into the state's response to charges that 
state
                police troopers practiced racial profiling. 

                The following is a list of witnesses that appeared 
Tuesday
                and a summary of their testimony on racial profiling: 

                --John Fahy, assistant attorney general: Former 
Attorney
                General Peter G. Verniero worked to avoid an
                "investigation" by federal authorities. "He thought 
that that
                word had a negative connotation," Fahy testified. "He 
was
                afraid it would reflect adversely on our state and the
                administration." 

                --George Rover, deputy attorney general: State police 
Sgt.
                Thomas Gilbert gave him reports that showed black and
                Hispanic drivers were stopped and searched more than
                whites. Verniero's deputies told Rover not to send any
                information to the U.S. Justice Department unless he
                cleared it with them. Some officials told Rover to 
delay
                sending some of Gilbert's reports to Washington. 

                --Carl Williams, former state police superintendent: 
In his
                five years as head of the agency, no one asked him 
about
                racial profiling. Williams also testified that federal
                authorities sent "mixed messages" about drug
                enforcement. The Drug Enforcement Agency encouraged
                troopers to stop people on the New Jersey Turnpike, 
but
                the Justice Department's civil rights division forced 
them to
                stop, Williams said. 

                --Albert Sacchetti, state police lieutenant: Described 
for
                lawmakers his 30-man task force investigating whether
                troopers on the turnpike had falsified records to 
conceal
                racial profiling. Sacchetti said the work was abruptly
                suspended after the April 1999 interim report and the
                indictment of Troopers John Hogan and James Kenna for
                falsifying records. The squad had identified 159 
troopers
                who had committed at least administrative violations. 

                Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. 
This material ma

                Witnesses say Verniero was
                well aware of profiling 

                By JOHN P. McALPIN
                The Associated Press
                3/20/01 7:50 PM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey's former attorney
                general knew racial profiling was a problem long 
before he
                admitted it publicly and even tried to avoid a federal
                investigation because it would damage the state's
                reputation, witnesses said Tuesday. 

                Peter G. Verniero was again the focus of nearly all 
the
                testimony before a Senate committee investigating 
racial
                profiling. 

                Through two days of hearings, the Senate Judiciary
                Committee has questioned current and former state 
police
                officers as well as two of Verniero's deputies who 
oversaw
                an internal inquiry into profiling. 

                Now a Supreme Court justice, Verniero is expected to
                testify next week and is listed as the committee's 
final
                witness. 

                Verniero knew of concerns that state police were 
targeting
                minority drivers as early as December 1996, according 
to
                Tuesday's testimony. 

                In a meeting with state police officers and his 
deputies,
                Verniero was briefed on several court actions 
involving
                accusations of profiling and the possibility that the 
U.S.
                Justice Department would launch its own investigation. 

                Verniero was adamant that he would not allow a federal
                investigation and planned to visit Justice Department
                officials to make amends, Assistant Attorney General 
John
                Fahy testified. 

                "He thought that that word had a negative 
connotation,"
                Fahy said. "He was afraid it would reflect adversely 
on our
                state and the administration." 

                Although Fahy did not provide detailed statistics that
                showed state police targeted minorities more than 
whites,
                he said Verniero was aware racial profiling was a 
problem. 

                "Anyone with an ounce of common sense could see we
                had a history and if you're going down to Washington 
it's a
                big issue," Fahy said. 

                At a May 1997 meeting, Verniero promised to do all he
                could to avoid a court order giving the Justice 
Department
                control of the state police, former superintendent 
Carl
                Williams said. Williams was fired after he linked 
minorities
                to drug trafficking in a February 1999 newspaper 
interview. 

                "It was the consensus that the attorney general and 
the
                state police would do everything they could to avoid 
signing
                a consent decree with the Justice Department," 
Williams
                testified. "I was happy." 

                Alexander Waugh -- Verniero's former executive 
assistant
                and now a Superior Court judge -- would later tell a 
deputy
                attorney general to withhold key documents from 
federal
                investigators, witnesses said. 

                Assistant Attorney General George Rover testified that 
he
                collected state police studies that showed minorities 
were
                stopped and searched more than whites at alarming 
rates
                -- sometimes as high as 94 percent. 

                Rover thought the Justice Department should have 
access
                to reports like that, but he was ordered not to turn 
anything
                over unless he had permission from Waugh, Rover
                testified. 

                "He told me to hold onto it and he would get back to 
me,"
                Rover testified. 

                Another federal request came in December 1998. This 
time
                Waugh's replacement, David Hespe, had a similar order,
                Rover said. 

                "Don't turn it over. Get back to Justice and say that 
we are
                looking and let me know if they ask again," Rover 
recalled
                was his order from Hespe. 

                Verniero did not publicly admit racial profiling -- 
the
                practice in which police make motor vehicle stops 
based
                on drivers' race -- until April 1999. 

                That came in a report issued a year after two troopers 
fired
                shots at a van stopped for speeding on the New Jersey
                Turnpike. Three of the four men inside -- all unarmed 
and
                all minorities -- were wounded. The white troopers 
have
                said they fired in self-defense, thinking the van's 
driver was
                trying to run them over. 

                Verniero released that report the day after announcing 
an
                indictment against the two troopers in the shooting.
                Witnesses testified Monday that Verniero rushed to
                release that report because the Justice Department
                planned a civil rights lawsuit. 

                Witnesses on both days said the attorney general's 
office
                had access to state police studies that began in 1996. 

                Sgt. Thomas Gilbert studied the problem for at least 
three
                years. His records -- all of which he made available 
to the
                attorney general's office -- showed minority motorists
                accounted for 89 percent of people searched by state
                troopers assigned to the Moorestown barracks in 1994 
and
                1995. 

                Another study of troopers at the Cranbury barracks in 
1994
                reportedly showed minorities accounted for 94 percent 
of
                all searches. A later study of trooper searches of 
suspects
                from July to December 1996 put that figure at 79 
percent. 

                Verniero reportedly had access to information like 
that,
                witnesses said. 

                But it wasn't until the April 1998 shooting that he 
realized
                profiling was a problem and needed study, Verniero 
said at
                his 1999 Supreme Court confirmation hearing. 

                "As I say, the allegations of profiling crystallized 
in my
                mind around the time of the turnpike case. That's when 
we
                began looking at data in a comprehensive way starting 
with
                the two barracks," Verniero said then. 

                Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. 
This material may
                     not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or 
redistributed.

This is a message I sent to Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! crew.  This 
followed an email exchange I had with one of their producers. I think we can 
do more outreach based on this model. Check it out--Paul


Dear Kris Abrams and the Democracy Now! crew,

We corresponded on March 8th after Democracy Now! played a recording of 
Assata Shakur talking about the prison-industrial complex.  I emailed you 
right after the show and asked if I could replay the recording at a poetry 
event that I work on.

Kris emailed me back and said that would be fine. She also wrote that if we 
have stuff worth covering in New Brunswick, then she wants to hear about it. 
So I sent Kris the following email to her account. I wanted to resend the 
message to the democracy now! email acct.

I explained that Assata Shakur is a local hero where I live, in New 
Brunswick, NJ, and that many people I know have languished in the jails and 
prisons where Assata was illegal held. The Assata recording really resonates 
with what we do in New Brunswick. I thought that Democracy Now! might be 
interested in checking out the New Brunswick scene.

We have a vibrant activist community in New Brunswick, and one of the 
feature events we do is called Arthouse. Arthouse is a poetry, music and 
performance art event which features local and regional talent and 
encourages people to make their own art in the name of progressive issues 
and freedom. Basically, we say everyone has a voice and they need to use it 
to fight for their rights and for the collective advancement of the 
majority.

Here's my original message:

Dear Kris,
    Again I want to thank you for your email.  I want to bring up what we do 
in
    New Brunswick. There is a long history of activism in many ideological
    traditions in New Brunswick.  We're home to Rutgers U., the state school 
of
    NJ.  During the 60s, students sat in the univ. pres's office to protest 
the
    Vietnam War.  During the 80s, large groups moved for divestment in South
    Africa and against the violence in Central America.  In the 90s, 
students
    mobilized to take back campus space for women and fight against a racist
    Rutgers president.

    New Brunswick is also the world hq of Johnson and Johnson, and the city 
has
    been characterized by slash and burn redevelopment in the years since 
the
    race riots of the sixties. The permanent residents are 85% black and 
latino,
    and suffer prolonged poverty, disenfranchisement and political 
repression
    dating back to the days of Jim Crow.

    Following these trends, some longstanding activist groups came together 
early
    last year to create an agenda to reverse the climate of corporate 
control and
    political corruption that has long characterized this "Democrat" Party 
town.
    We formed the New Brunswick People's Campaign, comprised of longtime
    residents and students who are black, white and latino.  We developed a
    platform around community control of local institutions and civil 
rights.  We
    ran the most successful independent challenge to the Democrat Party 
Machine
    to date, and got 30% of the vote (despite severe repression, the most
    successful independent ticket in the tri-State area) in the city council
    campaign on our first try.

    As the city council campaign grew, we developed Arthouse as an 
independent
    event meant to champion the need for space for people to express 
themselves.
    We held numerous events with poetry, hip hop, folk, a live band, and a
    diverse crowd.  The show has become one of the centerpieces of our 
diverse
    and growing activist community.  We're fighting to liberate space in 
which
    people can speak for their rights and can express themselves 
artistically to
    each other.

    We think our work represents a model which needs to be broadcast to 
people
    all over the country in this age of privatization and rollbacks of 
rights.  I
    want to invite you and a sound crew to the April Arthouse, where we'll 
spray
    all kinds of expression related to the movement we're trying to build.  
I
    hope to hear from you soon.

    Yours, Paul McGee
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Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] Dr. Helen Caldicott, anti-nuclear activist, lecture 
3/22
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:44:49 -0000
Dr. Helen Caldicott, anti-nuclear activist, lectures March 22 in New 
Brunswick
Dr. Helen Caldicott, the Australian pediatrician whose 30-year crusade 
against nuclear arms has galvanized hundreds of thousands of physicians and 
citizens around the world, will present a free public lecture at Douglass 
College Thursday, March 22.
The 2001 occupant of the Laurie New Jersey Chair in Women's Studies at
Douglass College, Caldicott is lecturing and teaching the spring
semester through the women's studies department at the Institute for
Women's Leadership on the Douglass campus.
WHAT: Public lecture: "The Coming Nuclear War"
WHO: Born in Australia, Helen Caldicott holds degrees in medicine and
surgery from Adelaide Medical School. She has practiced and
taught in Australia and the United States, specializing in the
treatment of children with cystic fibrosis. In the late 1970s,
she acted against the threat of nuclear war by founding
Physicians for Social Responsibility. The organization evolved
into the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear
War and received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985. Caldicott also
founded the Women's Action for Nuclear disarmament and the STAR
(Standing for Truth About Radiation)Foundation. She started a new
political party in Australia called Our Common Future and plans
to run for the Australian Senate this year. Her new book, "The
Coming Nuclear War," will be published in September by The Free Press.
WHEN: Thursday, March 22; reception at 4 p.m., lecture at 5 p.m.
WHERE: Douglass College Center, George Street and Nichol Avenue,
New Brunswick
Contact: Joni Scanlon
732/932-7084, extension 610
E-mail: jscanlon@...
EDITOR'S NOTE: You are invited to send a reporter, photographer or
camera crew to this public event. To arrange an interview with Dr.
Helen Caldicott, contact Joni Scanlon, Office of Media Relations and
Communications, (732)932-7084, extension 610.
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Graffiti on walkway offends students
Signs of the swastika and insulting statements give rise to concern 


                                                    By Melissa Hayes
                                                    Staff Writer 


                                                    Phrases such as 
"The best society is a patriarchal society," and "Abortion is cool," 
littered a
                                                    small portion of 
the bicycle path located near Neilson Dining Hall on the Douglass 
campus
                                                    yesterday.

                                                    The verses and 
offensive pictures that demeaned women,
                                                    homosexuals and 
other groups, were written in chalk on a
                                                    15-foot area of the 
paved path that leads students from the
                                                    Neilson Dining Hall 
on the Cook/Doulgass campus to
                                                    Hickman Hall and 
the Douglass College Center.

                                                    Dina Schwartz, a 
Doulgass College first-year student, spotted
                                                    the chalk writing 
while leaving Neilson. "I noticed the swastika,
                                                    it kind of stood 
out to me," Schwartz said recollecting what first
                                                    caught her eye. "It 
really offended me," Schwartz, who
                                                    practices Judaism, 
said.

                                                    Devorah Moses, a 
Douglass College first-year student who saw
                                                    the chalkings along 
with Schwartz, said she was very offended
                                                    by the markings. 

                                                    "First I saw the 
big word `Kike,' then I read what was written,
                                                    then I saw the 
swastika," Moses said.

                                                    She said that the 
two tried to rub the drawing away with their
                                                    feet, but failed in 
their attempt. "We wanted to put water on it
                                                    because it was so 
horrible," she said. "We stood there for like
                                                    five minutes trying 
to get rid of it, the whole thing was bad, it was a dominatrix with a
                                                    swastika."

                                                    Moses said the 
chalkings that offended religious groups were particularly offensive to 
her.
                                                    "When you're joking 
around about people's races and religions, it's not funny, it just 
isn't
                                                    funny at all," she 
said.

                                                    Yesterday was not 
the first time that chalk drawings have been seen on the paths on the
                                                    Douglass campus. 
Many groups � in opposition of University policy � frequently write
                                                    offensive messages 
on the walks. In previous years, chalk drawings have been a regular
                                                    occurrence, but 
they have been less frequent this year. 

meeting w/ george berry is 4pm, sat. 3/24, community room, bldg 1, 
projects.


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> meeting to organize election of public housing resident to housing 
> authority.
> 
> saturday afternoon in projects. more details coming.
> 
> all pressure must be put on city council tomorrow 7:00 pm city hall.
> we must demand that they comply with election and hold them responsible for 
> their part on the selection of bright.
> 
> contact joe smith 586.5535 can_bush@h...
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and is praised by arseneault, lawyer for kenna. plus many other things 
including speech making for dole, working directly under guiliani...


                Racial profiling hearings
                place Chertoff on stage 

                03/19/01

                BY MARY JO PATTERSON
                STAR-LEDGER STAFF

Michael Chertoff, former hard-as-nails federal prosecutor, master of 
the withering cross-examination, and merciless extractor of facts, is 
squirming in his chair. When the topic is Michael Chertoff and someone 
else is doing the questioning, it turns out, he makes a very poor 
witness. 

"My childhood was . . . average. . . . Nothing stands out. It all kind 
of blends into the murky past," he says in his raspy, slightly 
high-pitched voice. 

Pressed for more details, Chertoff reclines in the chair, dark eyes 
briefly fixing on the ceiling of his 16th-floor office at One Newark 
Center, then lets out a sound midway between a bleat and a laugh. 
"I'll take the Fifth," he says. 

It's a joke, but he's dead serious. 

Chertoff, 47, is used to being the prober, not the man probed. 

He is happier asking questions, as he'll do today when the state 
Senate Judiciary Committee begins investigating how New Jersey's top 
legal officials handled allegations of racial profiling by the State 
Police. As special counsel to the committee, Chertoff will be front 
and center, interrogating witnesses with his characteristic blend of 
politesse and caustic precision. 

Judging from depositions of witnesses already released, it could be 
great theater. 

"You know I hate to sound like I'm a real moron, but. . . . you're 
beginning to do a great job of making me feel that way," New Jersey 
Superior Court Judge Alexander Waugh Jr., formerly a high-ranking 
executive in the state Attorney General's Office, told Chertoff Feb. 
23, after hours of questioning. 

"It's not what I'm looking to do," Chertoff responded politely. 

Although it has been seven years since he stepped down as the United 
States attorney for New Jersey, Chertoff continues to exude an air of 
authority and rectitude. Despite defending people who've made mistakes 
or broken the law, he is seen as occupying the highest moral ground.
Although he possesses impeccable Republican credentials, he's 
considered above partisanship. 

Last week, the White House nominated Chertoff to be assistant attorney 
general of the criminal division of the U.S. Justice Department in 
Washington. Insiders consider him a shoo-in. But first he must finish 
the racial profiling hearings, a job he is doing free of charge -- and 
is certain to savor. 

It's hardly the first time since leaving government that he has 
performed this kind of public service. In 1996, he spent months as 
special counsel to the U.S. Senate Committee investigating Whitewater, 
commuting between New Jersey and Washington. Last year, he ran an 
investigation of the New Jersey Department of Corrections. 

Some people say that Chertoff thrives, even feeds, on the limelight. 

"I wouldn't say I like the limelight, but I guess I do like feeling 
I'm where the action is," he said during an interview before being 
nominated for the Justice Department position. "Definitely, I'm 
attracted to feeling I'm part of something significant." 

Yet, for a man so often in the public eye, he's managed to keep his 
private life remarkably private. 

Ask him who was the best man at his wedding in 1988, and his initial 
reaction is to say he doesn't remember. Query him about his religious 
beliefs -- Chertoff's father, now deceased, was a rabbi and officiated 
at his wedding -- and he answers, "My religious and spiritual beliefs 
are pretty much what I want them to be." 

When it comes to discussing criminal or social justice issues, 
however, Chertoff is famously verbose. And, to be fair, there are some 
personal questions he will answer. 

He and his wife, Meryl -- a fellow graduate of Harvard Law School and 
part-time legislative counsel to Assemblyman Richard Bagger (R-Union) 
-- live in Westfield with their two children, ages 7 and 10. They also 
have a country house in Pennsylvania, where he likes to kayak. He is 5 
feet 111/2 inches and weighs 165 pounds. A "semi-fanatic" runner, he
jogs at least 20 miles a week, hitting the street around 6 or
6:30 a.m. He tries to eat healthy but occasionally "falls off the 
wagon." 

He loves biography, history and true-crime books -- especially those 
involving a former target or client. He is a big fan of HBO's hit show 
"The Sopranos" and wishes they'd hire real people instead of actors so 
he could make a cameo appearance as a prosecutor. 

On the Justice Department job -- which would involve a financial hit 
(it pays $125,700, surely less than he earns now) and a possible move 
-- Chertoff is mum. Commenting before the confirmation process, he 
says, would be wrong. 

Chertoff's friends admit he is extremely guarded. But John J. Fahy, a 
former assistant U.S. attorney and devoted friend, says Chertoff's 
distant, often abrupt manner masks a warm and funny man. 

"In the U.S. Attorney's Office, a lot of people were kind of 
half-afraid of him. He was so bright, anticipated your questions and 
got to the point so quickly, he was intimidating," said Fahy, now in 
private practice in Newark. 

Morristown lawyer Walter Timpone, another colleague from Chertoff's 
U.S. attorney days, said Chertoff's demeanor is just a veneer. 

"He has the ability to be razor-sharp and cut you off at the legs, but 
the only time that will happen is in a professional setting. And 
usually in a courtroom," he said. 

Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, the only child of Rabbi Gershon 
Chertoff and Livia Chertoff. The family later moved to Hillside. 

His father, rabbi for a conservative synagogue, was active in civic 
affairs and politically wired. Former Gov. Thomas Kean, who got to 
know Rabbi Chertoff through a mutual friend, considered him a 
spiritual adviser. 

"He was just a very wise man, and a man of very deep conscience," said 
Kean, who asked the rabbi to deliver the invocation at his 
inauguration. 

Chertoff's mother, who was born in Poland, lived in Palestine and 
England before her marriage. A striking woman, she was an aspiring 
actress who landed a few bit parts in films and worked as a stewardess 
for El Al, the Israeli airline. Mrs. Chertoff, who died two years ago, 
also ran an art gallery in Elizabeth. 

Young Michael went to school at the Jewish Education Center in 
Elizabeth. Later he attended the Pingry School, then a semi-exclusive, 
all-boys private school in Hillside, where he was managing editor of 
the school paper and wrote editorials. The school is now co-ed and 
located in Martinsville. 

During his junior year, Chertoff visited a friend of the family      
studying at Harvard and decided that's where he should go to college, 
too. 

"I had a great time. I remember late-night poker playing; Boston, 
which seemed a great place, and girls," he said. "And, the prestigious 
degree." 

Chertoff majored in history and spent one year at the London School of 
Economics. The way he tells things, he was an unfocused young man who 
"drifted" through college. Nonetheless, he graduated magna cum laude. 

Then came law school, also at Harvard. 

"I took my LSATs my senior year for want of anything else," Chertoff 
said. "The next thing you know, I was going to law school. I loved 
it." 

He also worked at it, and became editor of the Harvard Law Review. 
Chertoff was an argumentative and ambitious student, who served as the 
inspiration for two characters in "One L," Scott Turow's fictionalized 
memoir of first year at Harvard Law School. One of the characters in 
the book participates in a two-day-long classroom argument with a
famously liberal law professor, as Chertoff himself rather famously 
did. 

After graduating from law school, Chertoff clerked for a federal 
appeals court judge and for U.S. Supreme Court Justice William J. 
Brennan. Then he joined a Washington, D.C., law firm. 

After a few years there, Chertoff found himself wanting to try cases, 
particularly criminal cases. He sent his r�sum� to the office of the 
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, then the sexiest 
crime-busting office in the  country. 

He was hired. It was 1983. His boss was Rudy Giuliani, the crusading 
federal prosecutor. Chertoff launched his career as a dragon-slayer 
with the famous "Commission" case in 1986, where he used the Racketeer 
Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act to take down a slew of
mobsters. 

Chertoff moved over to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Newark as first 
assistant the following year. By 1990, he headed the office. Unlike 
his predecessors, he continued trying cases himself, putting away 
mobsters, corrupt politicians and fraud artists. 

Colleagues couldn't believe how deeply he immersed himself in his 
work. Aides who complained that he was rude or didn't return their 
hello when he passed them in the hall were told that he was just too 
absorbed to see or hear them. 

Chertoff admits his driven, obsessive attention to task. 

"When I'm in the middle of trying a case," he says, "you could pretty 
much set off a bomb in the courtroom and I wouldn't even know it." 

Remarkably, Chertoff hung onto the job after President Bill Clinton's 
election, despite the new administration's dismissal of holdovers. 
According to the New Jersey Law Journal, he was the first U.S. 
attorney to survive a change in party since 1933. 

After stepping down in 1994, Chertoff rejoined the law firm of Latham 
& Watkins, where he'd worked after law school. A year later, he was 
tapped to be independent counsel in the Whitewater hearings, a 
position that gave him huge visibility. He was a sought-after 
newsmaker. 

In 1996, he stepped out the prosecutor role and went on the stump for 
presidential candidate Bob Dole. At a rally in Lyndhurst, newspapers 
reported, he held aloft a Dole-Kemp sign and gave a spirited speech 
denouncing Clinton. 

Today, Chertoff disputes the part about holding up the sign.

"I was getting a signed autograph for my kids," he corrected. But he 
acknowledged having made a speech -- and laughed at the memory, 
seeming to wince slightly. "As a private citizen, you do have the 
luxury of expressing yourself. It's the only time I ever went out on 
the stump. I obviously liked Dole, whom I knew personally, and I had a
very poor opinion about the ethical standards of the Clinton 
administration," he said. 

Chertoff and his wife also contributed money to Republicans. They 
included James Treffinger, the Essex County executive for whom he 
worked on a variety of jobs; Alfonse D'Amato, the senator from New 
York who presided over the Whitewater hearings; and state Sen. William
Gormley (R-Atlantic), chairman of the state Senate's Judiciary 
Committee. 

Being identified with a party and making political contributions are 
necessary, said his friend and colleague Fahy, a politically active 
Democrat. 

"If you want to do public service, and you want to get special 
assignments, you have to be aligned with a party," Fahy said. "You 
need the badges." 

Many ex-prosecutors who become defense attorneys end up as private 
prosecutors, conducting internal investigations for companies. 
Chertoff did his share of that kind of work, often for big national 
clients. 

But he also took cases where he had to defend individual clients 
accused of wrongdoing. Those cases opened his eyes to human frailties, 
he said, and -- in some cases -- to prosecutorial misconduct. 

"I have seen some excellent prosecutors, and others, I was surprised 
to see, who were not so good," Chertoff said. "I saw tactics, where a 
prosecutor did not indict an individual, but brought up their name in 
another proceeding, defaming the individual," he added. "That's a 
mugging." 

Chertoff has chalked up some big wins. 

He successfully defended Michael Francis, the former chairman of the 
New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority and a one-time fund-raiser 
for former Gov. Christie Whitman. Chertoff deftly neutralized the 
state's central witness by demonstrating that her testimony was 
tainted, getting a judge to toss the case. 

But there have also been losses. 

One occurred in December, when a jury convicted his client, former Lt. 
Thomas Smith, one of five Orange cops accused of civil rights 
violations in the death of a prisoner, Earl Faison. 

That's how it goes when you're a defense attorney, said Jack 
Arseneault, a veteran criminal trial attorney in Chatham. 

"As a prosecutor, it's easy to be a winner. For a defense lawyer, it's 
a very different proposition," he said. "Mike is certainly an 
accomplished attorney, and I hold him in high regard. But he's as 
fallible as anyone else." 

to all, i am working to recruit organizations for the march on trenton to 
defeat racist profiling. below are current sponsors. please go to your 
organizations and request that they too sign on and get back to me. there is 
a meeting tomorrow in the college ave student center 2nd flr. lounge at 
7:00pm any questions can be addressed. come and provide resources for this 
march.  larry hamm and minister lennie mohammed will attend to provide 
details for what in needed and to answer any questions.

joe 586 5535


>From: Unslaved@...
To: CAN_BUSH@...
Subject: LIST OF SPONSORS FOR THE MARCH ON TRENTON
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:43:05 EST

JOE- AS OF MARCH 9, 2001, THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ARE SOME OF THE
SPONSORS OF THE MARCH ON TRENTON:


PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS, NEW JERSEY STATE CONFERENCE OF NAACP 
BRANCHES, BLACK MINISTERS' COUNCIL OF NJ, TRENTON BRANCH NAACP, NJ BLACK 
ISSUES CONVENTION, NJ MILLION FAMILY MARCH COALITION, BLACK COPS AGAINST 
POLICE BRUTALITY, CWA LOCAL 1033, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 44, TRENTON MILLION 
MAN MARCH COALITION, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 25, SAVE OUR CHILDREN, IMANI 
CHURCH, HOPEWELL ANTI-RACIST, CAMDEN LOGISTICAL ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE, 
TRENTON VICTORY ANGLES, STUDENT/WORKER ORGANIZATION FOR REVOLUTIONARY 
DEMOCRACY, COMMITTEE TO DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING, SISTERHOOD & STRUGGLE, AND 
CHAIN BREAKERS

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                     Court to hear argument over racist
                     church's status 

                     By CHRISTOPHER WILLS
                     The Associated Press
                     3/21/01 3:00 PM

                     SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) -- No one questions that 
the World Church of the
                     Creator is a racist group that sells books like 
"The White Man's Bible." No
                     one questions that a former member went on a 
shooting spree and killed
                     two people, both minorities. 

                     But is it a charity? That's what the state Supreme 
Court must decide. 

                     Attorney General Jim Ryan argues it is, meaning it 
should have registered
                     with the state and filed financial disclosure 
forms. He wants to fine the
                     organization and bar it from further fund-raising 
in Illinois. 

                     "It's a statute that has been applied for 37 
years," Assistant Attorney
                     General Mary Welsch said in court arguments 
Wednesday. 

                     The organization and its leader, Matt Hale, 
maintain that the World
                     Church is not a charity and never had any 
obligation to register. Hale
                     argues that the state law governing charities is 
so vague it must be ruled
                     unconstitutional. 

                     "The penalties for non-compliance -- purely for 
guessing wrong about
                     what the statute means and failing to register -- 
are severe," Hale's
                     attorney Glenn Greenwald said Wednesday. 

                     A county judge backed Hale and declared the law 
unconstitutional in
                     February 2000. 

                     "There is really no doubt but that Ryan brought 
this silly lawsuit against us
                     in an effort to further his political career," 
Hale said in a statement. 

                     Ryan sued the group in 1999, just days after a 
former member, Benjamin
                     Smith, went on a shooting spree. Smith killed two 
people and wounded
                     nine people -- all minorities -- before killing 
himself. 

                     Hale has called Smith a "friend and co-
religionist." 

                     Ryan rejects the argument that the charity law is 
too vague. He says it
                     has stood for 37 years and survived scrutiny by 
other courts. 

                     Hale says the law does not spell out what 
constitutes a charity, giving the
                     attorney general arbitrary power to decide what 
groups must register. 

                     Hale contends that if the church can be punished 
for not registering as a
                     charity, so could any group. His legal briefs 
argue his organization clearly
                     is not a charity, but rather "an avowedly racist 
and virulently anti-Semitic
                     group." 

                      Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights 
reserved. This material may not be
                                 published, broadcast, rewritten, or 
redistributed.

i can't help but comment:

i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it strike you 
as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign once he 
wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why would I 
want someone like that to be my leader?

also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally yourself with 
your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation ( a 
democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of political 
development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the office 
space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just like 
raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical elements 
of a campaign come to pass.

ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.

kristina

>
>at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
>activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
>executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
>socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
>peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
>(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
>board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
>
>hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
>and possible victory.
>
>rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
>  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
>pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
>
>rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
>power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
>out of the "peoples'" campaign.
>
>the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
>from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
>
>dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
>berry's call for elected resident representation.
>
>all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
>projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
>
>skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
>  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
>
>protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
>chair dim liar.
>
>republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
>revolutionaries unite! with the people.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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im a put it this way...

if you want to get anywhere in nb, start by not hating on jason hankins.  
thats just to let you know.

questionable? not really. hankins pulled 5-10 youth out every sat. & sun. to 
do door-to-door surveys, until the convention.  it was these youth who 
introduced the campaign at people's doors.  that made the motorcade come to 
life...(these youth whose families see what theyre getting involved 
with...whose network thru the city is beyond the wildest imagination of pc 
steering committees...)

he got no love (perhaps if he'd been a republican!) from the campaign 
leaders. & responded accordingly.  nobody out here gonna lose face for your 
self-serving ambition.  the patronizing, liberal pc makes the mistake of 
thinking it knows more than even the youth of the community.

the "general situation" is that the republicans control the state and the 
country.  they are the imperialists most effective political weapon against 
the peoples' movement.  the democrats are always preferable to the 
republicans, even when they are the local (or even "general"!) majority.  
this is the "tactical alliance" the people need against imperialism.  yr 
"general understanding" puts nb's "democratic political machine" at the 
center of objective political reality (just as it puts the pc at the center 
of nb political reality--where was njfo when neal ran for mayor, '98? during 
any of the elected school board campaigns?). let me be forever "narrow" to 
endorsing the principal, "general", political enemy of the people.

the argument is not against "office spaces" or "raising money".  it is 
against placing these as primary before peoples' organization.  peoples' war 
means rely on the people.  offices, $$, can always be gotten.  confidence is 
hard won.  from outside nb, perhaps office spaces may appear as "mountains" 
of importance...

ps. petty bourgeois schemes posturing as working class strategy is 
"annoying".

>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
>right!
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
>
>i can't help but comment:
>
>i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it strike you
>as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign once 
>he
>wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why would I
>want someone like that to be my leader?
>
>also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally yourself 
>with
>your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation ( a
>democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of political
>development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the office
>space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just like
>raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical elements
>of a campaign come to pass.
>
>ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
>
>kristina
>
> >
> >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
> >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
> >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> >
> >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
> >and possible victory.
> >
> >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
> >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
> >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
> >
> >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
> >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> >chair dim liar.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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The minutes for the March 3, 2001 meeting follow.  Please forgive my 
delay in preparing and submitting them so late.



NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING
MARCH 3, 2001

MINUTES

	Present: L. Alex, A. Allred, L. Ammentorp, J. Bates, J. 
Boswell, M. Carey, L. Dediano, T. DeGloma, J. Gross, X. Hansen, K. 
Joseph, D. Key, F. Komuves, J. Luceno, B. Marshall, P. McGee, D. 
Morales, J. Mosley, S. Niglio, Z. Nowakowski, N. Palmieri, J. Poulos, 
S. Prince, D. Rosado, K. Riordan, M. Smith, A. L. Wargo.

	The meeting was called to order at 2:21 p.m.

	Zofia Nowakowski gave introductory remarks about the goals, 
history and objectives of the Campaign.

	Nominates for Chair of the Meeting were opened. Xavier Hansen 
was the sole nominee and was chosen as Chair. 

	A motion was made to approve the agenda as written.  The 
Chair explained that although it was desirable to set the agenda at 
the outset of the meeting, motions to alter the agenda were in order 
at any time during the meeting in order to address any changing needs 
that might be encountered throughout the course of debate. 

	Keith Joseph moved to table certain agenda items until the 
next meeting, namely, item 6 (proposal concerning who is a member of 
the campaign); item 7(A) (campaign organization - proposal for key 
positions); item 8 (discussion of mission statement); and item 10 
(proposal for statement on rights and responsibilities).  He also 
observed that no discussion time was devoted to the Peoples Campaign 
Center, and suggested adding it to the agenda.  

	Supporters of the motion to table argued that these items 
were not previously presented to the body and that rather than a 
forum for presenting proposals of the Steering Committee, the general 
meeting ought to be a forum for obtaining ideas from the members for 
execution by the Steering Committee.  Opponents pointed out that all 
the items save one were previously introduced, that these were 
pressing matters and argued that the Steering Committee was within 
its rights to present desirable proposals to the membership.

	A motion was made to close debate, which passed.  The motion 
to table was then rejected.

	VOTE NO. 11 (TABLE CERTAIN AGENDA ITEMS)
	YES, 9
	NO, 14

	Keith Joseph then moved to add to the agenda a period of 
discussion, today, for item 13(A) (role of the Campaign in 2001 
gubernatorial election).  The motion was approved by acclamation.

	Discussion then began on agenda item 5 (Discussion - 
Community Participation within the People's Campaign) with a 
presentation from Danny Rosado.  For the remainder of the meeting, 
discussion was held on this point.  Throughout the course of this 
discussion, agenda item 7 (Building of the Campaign organization) was 
also considered in some detail.  In no particular order, the 
following items were discussed. 

	NEED FOR A SPECIFIC OFFICE LOCATION/PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CENTER

	The need for a specific office location and People's Campaign 
Center was reaffirmed.  A need to have a fixed base of operations, 
even just a small one, so that community members, especially those 
within the Latino community, could identify with the Campaign and 
readily find Campaign workers was stressed.  Moreover, the People's 
Campaign Center is necessary for NBPC to continue its existing work, 
e.g. with its youth program.

	An office and Campaign Center committee to perform this task 
needs to be set up.  The Committee must address, among other things, 
fundraising and budgeting for the center, along with plans to 
regularly staff it.

	NEED TO WORK WITHIN EXISTING PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY

	Simultaneously with advancing the People's Campaign Center, 
it is important to work with existing groups within the City.   There 
is no need to "re-invent the wheel" insofar as there are other groups 
within the city offering social services, education, etc.  By 
participating in such groups, we "network" and work with and help our 
fellow community members without organizational headaches inherent in 
setting up new groups.  Ultimately, if our participation is thorough 
enough, we can reach the majority of people.  Moreover, particpation 
by NBPC within community groups enhances the respectability and 
credibility of the organization.

	Among the groups that could be approached and to which we 
could offer our help are Crossroads Theater, the Rutgers Film Co-op 
and the Puerto Rican Action Board.

	It was also noted that there are numerous environmental 
groups, including Edison Wetlands Association, campus groups, and 
community-based survey teams already in existence.  Insofar as NBPC's 
plans include addressing environmental concerns within New Brunswick, 
we should work with such groups.

	Liaisons from NBPC to these groups should be assigned.

	A MESSAGE OF UNITY AND TOLERANCE

	Religious, national, and political differences among 
residents of New Brunswick are pronounced.  To succeed, NBPC needs to 
acknowledge these differences, yet stress that because we share a 
common goal of enhancing democratic control for New Brunswick 
residents and promoting their needs, we need to set these differences 
aside.

	NEED TO FORM A 501(c)(3) ENTITY FOR CAMPAIGN TO DELIVER 
EXISTING AND NEW SERVICES

	It would be important for a New Brunswick Campaign Foundation 
to be set up so that the entity can receive grants and tax-deductible 
donations for those aspects of Campaign work qualifying for 501(c)(3) 
recognition.  Persons willing to carry out this task should be 
identified.

	RESOURCE LIST

	The Campaign ought to publish two resource lists.  One would 
be addressed to Rutgers students to identify opportunities for them 
to participate in existing community activities (e.g. teaching, 
social service agencies, learning about government, etc.).  Another 
should be addressed to New Brunswick residents, so that they can 
easily access social and governmental services.  If published under 
the aegis of the People's Campaign, it promotes the visibility of the 
group.

	CAMPAIGN MEMBERS' LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE BASE

	NBPC members and leaders must learn about both governmental 
and nongovernmental aspects of the city.  We need to acquire more 
information about what goes on in the city, and acquire knowledge, 
develop competence and develop professionally to be effective 
advocates for city residents.


	THE SECOND WARD BLOCK CLUB'S COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL

	Joe Moseley spoke about the Second Ward Block Club's effort 
to build a community center.  He stressed that the project was 
conceived of as one that would operate free of governmental control 
and answerable to the people.  The community center is complementary 
to, not in conflict with, NBPC's proposal for a People's Campaign 
Center.   Laura Alex has been appointed liaison to the Community 
Center task force.

	ENHANCED OUTREACH ACTIVITY

	Our work should be on a number of levels.  Some residents 
suffer problems even on a very basic level, e.g. light, heat and 
water.  Part of NBPC's business should be supplying help about such 
problems and educating people about their rights in that regard.  

	Beverly Marshall stressed that it takes a long time to build 
trust with people and it is important to get to know people and 
families on a personal level, to share coffee or meals with them 
rather than simply passing out flyers.


	After this discussion, certain tasks were assigned.

	Debra Key will be in charge of the People's Campaign Center 
Committee and will, as a first priority, work on identifying a site 
for it.  She, along with Xavier Hansen, Tom DeGloma, and Justin 
Boswell, each promised one month's rent toward the center.

	Justin Boswell and Paul McGee agreed to work on generating: 
(1) a flyer detailing the history and work of the People's Campaign 
for general circulation; and (2) a mission statement, both of which 
will be presented to the membership for approval at the next meeting.

	Samantha Prince and Louise Ammentorp will continue in charge 
of the youth afterschool programs which have been functioning very 
well.

	The identification and delegation of further tasks by the 
Steering Committee was approved by consensus.  It was stressed that 
such decisions need made known to the general membership at meetings 
for the purposes of (1) maintaining accountability and democratic 
control of the leadership and (2) to identify qualified people to 
perform these tasks from the many different sectors that make up the 
People's Campaign.
 
	The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m.


				Respectfully submitted,
								
			        FLAVIO L. KOMUVES
				General Counsel


Note: Subsequent NBPC membership meetings are on March 31; April 28; 
June 2; June 30; July 28.  All meetings commence at 2:00 p.m. sharp 
at the New Brunswick Public Library, Livingston Avenue, New Brunswick.

Following are the minutes for the March 3, 2001 general meeting.  
Please forgive my delay in preparing them and submitting them so late.

NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
GENERAL MEMBERSHIP MEETING
MARCH 3, 2001

MINUTES

	Present: L. Alex, A. Allred, L. Ammentorp, J. Bates, J. 
Boswell, M. Carey, L. Dediano, T. DeGloma, J. Gross, X. Hansen, K. 
Joseph, D. Key, F. Komuves, J. Luceno, B. Marshall, P. McGee, D. 
Morales, J. Mosley, S. Niglio, Z. Nowakowski, N. Palmieri, J. Poulos, 
S. Prince, D. Rosado, K. Riordan, M. Smith, A. L. Wargo.

	The meeting was called to order at 2:21 p.m.

	Zofia Nowakowski gave introductory remarks about the goals, 
history and objectives of the Campaign.

	Nominates for Chair of the Meeting were opened. Xavier Hansen 
was the sole nominee and was chosen as Chair. 

	A motion was made to approve the agenda as written.  The 
Chair explained that although it was desirable to set the agenda at 
the outset of the meeting, motions to alter the agenda were in order 
at any time during the meeting in order to address any changing needs 
that might be encountered throughout the course of debate. 

	Keith Joseph moved to table certain agenda items until the 
next meeting, namely, item 6 (proposal concerning who is a member of 
the campaign); item 7(A) (campaign organization - proposal for key 
positions); item 8 (discussion of mission statement); and item 10 
(proposal for statement on rights and responsibilities).  He also 
observed that no discussion time was devoted to the Peoples Campaign 
Center, and suggested adding it to the agenda.  

	Supporters of the motion to table argued that these items 
were not previously presented to the body and that rather than a 
forum for presenting proposals of the Steering Committee, the general 
meeting ought to be a forum for obtaining ideas from the members for 
execution by the Steering Committee.  Opponents pointed out that all 
the items save one were previously introduced, that these were 
pressing matters and argued that the Steering Committee was within 
its rights to present desirable proposals to the membership.

	A motion was made to close debate, which passed.  The motion 
to table was then rejected.

	VOTE NO. 11 (TABLE CERTAIN AGENDA ITEMS)
	YES, 9
	NO, 14

	Keith Joseph then moved to add to the agenda a period of 
discussion, today, for item 13(A) (role of the Campaign in 2001 
gubernatorial election).  The motion was approved by acclamation.

	Discussion then began on agenda item 5 (Discussion - 
Community Participation within the People's Campaign) with a 
presentation from Danny Rosado.  For the remainder of the meeting, 
discussion was held on this point.  Throughout the course of this 
discussion, agenda item 7 (Building of the Campaign organization) was 
also considered in some detail.  In no particular order, the 
following items were discussed. 

	NEED FOR A SPECIFIC OFFICE LOCATION/PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN CENTER

	The need for a specific office location and People's Campaign 
Center was reaffirmed.  A need to have a fixed base of operations, 
even just a small one, so that community members, especially those 
within the Latino community, could identify with the Campaign and 
readily find Campaign workers was stressed.  Moreover, the People's 
Campaign Center is necessary for NBPC to continue its existing work, 
e.g. with its youth program.

	An office and Campaign Center committee to perform this task 
needs to be set up.  The Committee must address, among other things, 
fundraising and budgeting for the center, along with plans to 
regularly staff it.

	NEED TO WORK WITHIN EXISTING PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY

	Simultaneously with advancing the People's Campaign Center, 
it is important to work with existing groups within the City.   There 
is no need to "re-invent the wheel" insofar as there are other groups 
within the city offering social services, education, etc.  By 
participating in such groups, we "network" and work with and help our 
fellow community members without organizational headaches inherent in 
setting up new groups.  Ultimately, if our participation is thorough 
enough, we can reach the majority of people.  Moreover, particpation 
by NBPC within community groups enhances the respectability and 
credibility of the organization.

	Among the groups that could be approached and to which we 
could offer our help are Crossroads Theater, the Rutgers Film Co-op 
and the Puerto Rican Action Board.

	It was also noted that there are numerous environmental 
groups, including Edison Wetlands Association, campus groups, and 
community-based survey teams already in existence.  Insofar as NBPC's 
plans include addressing environmental concerns within New Brunswick, 
we should work with such groups.

	Liaisons from NBPC to these groups should be assigned.

	A MESSAGE OF UNITY AND TOLERANCE

	Religious, national, and political differences among 
residents of New Brunswick are pronounced.  To succeed, NBPC needs to 
acknowledge these differences, yet stress that because we share a 
common goal of enhancing democratic control for New Brunswick 
residents and promoting their needs, we need to set these differences 
aside.

	NEED TO FORM A 501(c)(3) ENTITY FOR CAMPAIGN TO DELIVER 
EXISTING AND NEW SERVICES

	It would be important for a New Brunswick Campaign Foundation 
to be set up so that the entity can receive grants and tax-deductible 
donations for those aspects of Campaign work qualifying for 501(c)(3) 
recognition.  Persons willing to carry out this task should be 
identified.

	RESOURCE LIST

	The Campaign ought to publish two resource lists.  One would 
be addressed to Rutgers students to identify opportunities for them 
to participate in existing community activities (e.g. teaching, 
social service agencies, learning about government, etc.).  Another 
should be addressed to New Brunswick residents, so that they can 
easily access social and governmental services.  If published under 
the aegis of the People's Campaign, it promotes the visibility of the 
group.

	CAMPAIGN MEMBERS' LEADERSHIP SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE BASE

	NBPC members and leaders must learn about both governmental 
and nongovernmental aspects of the city.  We need to acquire more 
information about what goes on in the city, and acquire knowledge, 
develop competence and develop professionally to be effective 
advocates for city residents.


	THE SECOND WARD BLOCK CLUB'S COMMUNITY CENTER PROPOSAL

	Joe Moseley spoke about the Second Ward Block Club's effort 
to build a community center.  He stressed that the project was 
conceived of as one that would operate free of governmental control 
and answerable to the people.  The community center is complementary 
to, not in conflict with, NBPC's proposal for a People's Campaign 
Center.   Laura Alex has been appointed liaison to the Community 
Center task force.

	ENHANCED OUTREACH ACTIVITY

	Our work should be on a number of levels.  Some residents 
suffer problems even on a very basic level, e.g. light, heat and 
water.  Part of NBPC's business should be supplying help about such 
problems and educating people about their rights in that regard.  

	Beverly Marshall stressed that it takes a long time to build 
trust with people and it is important to get to know people and 
families on a personal level, to share coffee or meals with them 
rather than simply passing out flyers.


	After this discussion, certain tasks were assigned.

	Debra Key will be in charge of the People's Campaign Center 
Committee and will, as a first priority, work on identifying a site 
for it.  She, along with Xavier Hansen, Tom DeGloma, and Justin 
Boswell, each promised one month's rent toward the center.

	Justin Boswell and Paul McGee agreed to work on generating: 
(1) a flyer detailing the history and work of the People's Campaign 
for general circulation; and (2) a mission statement, both of which 
will be presented to the membership for approval at the next meeting.

	Samantha Prince and Louise Ammentorp will continue in charge 
of the youth afterschool programs which have been functioning very 
well.

	The identification and delegation of further tasks by the 
Steering Committee was approved by consensus.  It was stressed that 
such decisions need made known to the general membership at meetings 
for the purposes of (1) maintaining accountability and democratic 
control of the leadership and (2) to identify qualified people to 
perform these tasks from the many different sectors that make up the 
People's Campaign.
 
	The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 p.m.


				Respectfully submitted,
		
				FLAVIO L. KOMUVES
				General Counsel


Note: Subsequent NBPC membership meetings are on March 31; April 28; 
June 2; June 30; July 28.  All meetings commence at 2:00 p.m. sharp 
at the New Brunswick Public Library, Livingston Avenue, New Brunswick.

By the way, Does anybody know why Soaries isn't giving the $50,000?  
Is he waiting to see if the theater will raise a comparable amount 
from other sources?  I know that J&J pledged a bunch of cash.  I also 
know that the theater pays 'rent' to City Market or the NB Cultural 
Center, whoever they are.  This relationship might be worth 
investigating. If anybody knows anything factual, (opinions are nice) 
they should call me or the investigation committee. Paul


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> i can't help but comment:
> 
> i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it 
strike you 
> as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign 
once he 
> wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why 
would I 
> want someone like that to be my leader?
> 
> also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally 
yourself with 
> your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation 
( a 
> democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of 
political 
> development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the 
office 
> space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just 
like 
> raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical 
elements 
> of a campaign come to pass.
> 
> ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> 
> kristina
> 
> >
> >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim 
liar
> >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to 
elected
> >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> >
> >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee 
(motorcades...),
> >and possible victory.
> >
> >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to 
enlist
> >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the 
right
> >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and 
isolated.
> >
> >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 
allocated
> >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> >chair dim liar.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Council aims to name resident to housing panel 

               Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01 

               By SHARON WATERS
               STAFF WRITER

               NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it 
will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
               Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a 
current commissioner's term expires next month.

               The council plans to appoint someone living in public 
housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert 
Recine. 

               The council has reached out to people, including Housing 
Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to 
have
               a list of names next week, he said.

               Racine said the council wants to have at least three 
names so it can compare the candidates.

               The City Council appoints five of the commissioners, 
while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community 
Affairs
               chooses another one.

               A federal regulation, which took effect in November 
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have 
been
               two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the 
law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
               Republican activist, and a council appointment in April 
2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.

               Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City 
Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to 
our
               attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public 
housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to 
bounce her,"
               said Hamilton.

               The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M. 
Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because 
of
               the resident requirement, not because of his performance 
as a commissioner, Recine said.

               "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known 
him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.

               George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes 
Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
               resident, saying it would help build a partnership 
between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident 
representative
               also will provide firsthand insight and input to the 
board, Berry said. 

               Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

               from the Home News Tribune 

               Published: March 22, 2001

NEW BRUNSWICK: Devco to manage City Market 

               Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01 

               By SHARON WATERS
               STAFF WRITER

               NEW BRUNSWICK: The New Brunswick City Market will be 
managed and staffed by the New Brunswick Development
               Corporation, or Devco, officials said.

               City Market's board of directors unanimously approved 
the use of Devco under a two-year management agreement yesterday, said
               Christopher J. Paladino, president of Devco.

               Devco will provide "across-the-board management of the 
organization" and be paid $65,000 for the first year of the agreement, 
said
               Paladino, who also serves on City Market's executive 
committee.

               "It's a tremendous opportunity to raise the playing 
field and start having City Market work in a much more collaborative 
way with
               Devco, the (New Brunswick) Cultural Center, the 
hospitals, Rutgers (University) and all those that have a stake in 
economic
               development in the city," Paladino said.

               Devco also may provide initial, and potentially long-
term, administrative support to the Cultural Center, which is being 
reorganized,
               according to Thomas Kelso, chairman of the State Theatre 
board of trustees.

               City Market, formed in 1987, is a special improvement 
district bordered roughly by Route 18, Richmond, New, Morris and
               Kirkpatrick streets and the railroad tracks between 
Johnson Drive and the railroad station. It organizes special events and 
provides
               physical improvements, such as graffiti removal, 
landscaping and street lighting.

               City Market receives funds through an assessment tax on 
businesses in the special improvement district. Last year, City Market
               received about $400,000 from the assessments and had a 
total budget of about $485,000, said Paladino.

               By having Devco provide management services, Devco and 
City Market will no longer duplicate efforts such as trying to draw in
               more retail businesses to the city, said Paladino.

               Devco, which has a bigger staff and more experience, can 
provide financing opportunities for downtown improvements, reach
               deeper into the corporate sector for events and 
festivals, seek additional funding for facade renovations and take a 
hard look at the
               infrastructure of the downtown, Paladino said.

               City Market previously had two full-time employees and 
one part-time employee. After City Market's executive director, 
Claudine
               Gilloly, left in January, City Market began interviewing 
candidates to replace her, said executive committee member Greg Ritter,
               owner of George Street Camera. During the interview 
process, Devco presented its proposal, Ritter said.

               With Devco as the manager, Jim Zullo, former executive 
director of the New Brunswick Parking Authority, will serve as City
               Market's executive director, Paladino said. Zullo joined 
Devco one month ago as a vice president, he added.

               Jack Blauvelt, City Market's chairman, said the 
organization will save about $30,000 to $40,000 on salaries alone this 
year by using
               Devco.

               Ritter and another board member, Larry Daniels, general 
manager of the Hyatt Regency New Brunswick, noted City Market and
               Devco have similar missions.

               "Since Devco and City Market always worked hand-in-hand, 
it made sense," said Ritter. "They work toward the same goal, to
               rebuild and develop downtown New Brunswick." 

               Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

               from the Home News Tribune 

               Published: March 22, 2001

116 livingston ave
senior bldg lounge
contact cliff smith 214.8828
cliffsmith69@...

This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD & 
residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while 
simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed 
the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican 
Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join 
BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the 
community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's 
throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT 
would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local 
Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New 
Brunswick!

(by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO 
on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement 
internally...)

-Matthew


----Original Message Follows----
From: cliffsmith69@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000

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Council aims to name resident to housing panel

                Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01

                By SHARON WATERS
                STAFF WRITER

                NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it
will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
                Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
current commissioner's term expires next month.

                The council plans to appoint someone living in public
housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
Recine.

                The council has reached out to people, including Housing
Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to
have
                a list of names next week, he said.

                Racine said the council wants to have at least three
names so it can compare the candidates.

                The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
Affairs
                chooses another one.

                A federal regulation, which took effect in November
1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have
been
                two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the
law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
                Republican activist, and a council appointment in April
2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.

                Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to
our
                attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public
housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
bounce her,"
                said Hamilton.

                The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M.
Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because
of
                the resident requirement, not because of his performance
as a commissioner, Recine said.

                "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known
him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.

                George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
                resident, saying it would help build a partnership
between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
representative
                also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
board, Berry said.

                Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

                from the Home News Tribune

                Published: March 22, 2001




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not $50G's, $500G's.
which also holds up another $100G's in emergency funds also awaiting 
Sec. of State Soaries' fund release.

J&J "donated" $95G's to cover rent & utilities for the year.

Crossroads' outstanding debt is $1.8 mil. the pending $600,000 is 
significant to Crossroads' revival.

Soaries claims to be waiting the new fiscal year.  He is really 
blackmailing Crossroads' administration to leverage in his Republican 
front 1st Baptist Development Corporation & Assoc.

Crossroads is currently begging former season ticket holders to donate 
their 2000-2001 ticket costs to the revival effort, and is planning a 
series of fundraising efforts, including a Saturday afternoon poetry 
series, to which they claim to be bringing Baraka, in May.

Also, on Sat. nite, March 31, a "Black Tie Optional" $75/per gala at 
which the NB Peoples' Community Arts Mural Project will be distributing 
literature demanding Soaries stop putting Republican politics before 
Community Theater.  All are invited to join us.  Contact Tamara Dahan & 
Maura Carey 729.0390 or mauracarey@...

A meeting to Defend Crossroads (Community) Theater & Promote Local Arts 
is scheduled for 1pm, Sunday, 1 April.

CityMarket is now an extension of DevCo.  See today's HomeNewsTribune.
I think the State Theater, actually, owns Crossroads' building...

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., shorepaulie@h... wrote:
> By the way, Does anybody know why Soaries isn't giving the $50,000?  
> Is he waiting to see if the theater will raise a comparable amount 
> from other sources?  I know that J&J pledged a bunch of cash.  I also 
> know that the theater pays 'rent' to City Market or the NB Cultural 
> Center, whoever they are.  This relationship might be worth 
> investigating. If anybody knows anything factual, (opinions are nice) 
> they should call me or the investigation committee. Paul
> 
> 
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> > i can't help but comment:
> > 
> > i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it 
> strike you 
> > as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign 
> once he 
> > wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why 
> would I 
> > want someone like that to be my leader?
> > 
> > also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally 
> yourself with 
> > your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation 
> ( a 
> > democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of 
> political 
> > development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the 
> office 
> > space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just 
> like 
> > raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical 
> elements 
> > of a campaign come to pass.
> > 
> > ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> > 
> > kristina
> > 
> > >
> > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim 
> liar
> > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to 
> elected
> > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> > >
> > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee 
> (motorcades...),
> > >and possible victory.
> > >
> > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to 
> enlist
> > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the 
> right
> > >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and 
> isolated.
> > >
> > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 
> allocated
> > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> > >chair dim liar.
> > >
> > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
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excellent work, matt!
again- organizing mtg to elect resident rep to nbha is 4pm, sat., 
community room, bldg1, projects.

& we are eager to begin production of u&s.
meeting has been penciled for sun. nite. contact keith...


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD & 
> residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while 
> simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed 
> the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican 
> Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join 
> BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the 
> community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's 
> throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT 
> would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local 
> Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New 
> Brunswick!
> 
> (by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO 
> on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement 
> internally...)
> 
> -Matthew
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: cliffsmith69@h...
> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000
> 
> meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election!
> community room, bldg1, projects...
> 
> 
> Council aims to name resident to housing panel
> 
>                 Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
> 
>                 By SHARON WATERS
>                 STAFF WRITER
> 
>                 NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it
> will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
>                 Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
> current commissioner's term expires next month.
> 
>                 The council plans to appoint someone living in public
> housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
> Recine.
> 
>                 The council has reached out to people, including Housing
> Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to
> have
>                 a list of names next week, he said.
> 
>                 Racine said the council wants to have at least three
> names so it can compare the candidates.
> 
>                 The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
> while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
> Affairs
>                 chooses another one.
> 
>                 A federal regulation, which took effect in November
> 1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have
> been
>                 two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the
> law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
>                 Republican activist, and a council appointment in April
> 2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.
> 
>                 Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
> Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to
> our
>                 attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public
> housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
> bounce her,"
>                 said Hamilton.
> 
>                 The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M.
> Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because
> of
>                 the resident requirement, not because of his performance
> as a commissioner, Recine said.
> 
>                 "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known
> him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.
> 
>                 George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
> Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
>                 resident, saying it would help build a partnership
> between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
> representative
>                 also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
> board, Berry said.
> 
>                 Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
> 
>                 from the Home News Tribune
> 
>                 Published: March 22, 2001
> 
> 
> 
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i appreciate your response to my questions. though it still remains. good 
plug for the meeting, it must be embraced!

joe


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:48:53
>
>This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD &
>residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while
>simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed
>the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican
>Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join
>BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the
>community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's
>throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT
>would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local
>Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New
>Brunswick!
>
>(by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from NJFO
>on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement
>internally...)
>
>-Matthew
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: cliffsmith69@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000
>
>meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election!
>community room, bldg1, projects...
>
>
>Council aims to name resident to housing panel
>
>                 Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
>
>                 By SHARON WATERS
>                 STAFF WRITER
>
>                 NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it
>will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
>                 Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
>current commissioner's term expires next month.
>
>                 The council plans to appoint someone living in public
>housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
>Recine.
>
>                 The council has reached out to people, including Housing
>Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to
>have
>                 a list of names next week, he said.
>
>                 Racine said the council wants to have at least three
>names so it can compare the candidates.
>
>                 The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
>while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
>Affairs
>                 chooses another one.
>
>                 A federal regulation, which took effect in November
>1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have
>been
>                 two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the
>law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
>                 Republican activist, and a council appointment in April
>2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.
>
>                 Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
>Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to
>our
>                 attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public
>housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
>bounce her,"
>                 said Hamilton.
>
>                 The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M.
>Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because
>of
>                 the resident requirement, not because of his performance
>as a commissioner, Recine said.
>
>                 "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known
>him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.
>
>                 George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
>Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
>                 resident, saying it would help build a partnership
>between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
>representative
>                 also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
>board, Berry said.
>
>                 Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...
>
>                 from the Home News Tribune
>
>                 Published: March 22, 2001
>
>
>
>
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investigator, you need to get up with tami/maura they have things in the 
works. 732.729.0390 tami 732.729.7471 maura

tamaradahan@... mauracarey@...

joe


>From: shorepaulie@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
>right!
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:09:32 -0000
>
>By the way, Does anybody know why Soaries isn't giving the $50,000?
>Is he waiting to see if the theater will raise a comparable amount
>from other sources?  I know that J&J pledged a bunch of cash.  I also
>know that the theater pays 'rent' to City Market or the NB Cultural
>Center, whoever they are.  This relationship might be worth
>investigating. If anybody knows anything factual, (opinions are nice)
>they should call me or the investigation committee. Paul
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> > i can't help but comment:
> >
> > i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
>strike you
> > as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign
>once he
> > wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
>would I
> > want someone like that to be my leader?
> >
> > also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
>yourself with
> > your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
>( a
> > democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
>political
> > development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
>office
> > space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
>like
> > raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
>elements
> > of a campaign come to pass.
> >
> > ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> >
> > kristina
> >
> > >
> > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
>liar
> > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
>elected
> > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> > >
> > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
>(motorcades...),
> > >and possible victory.
> > >
> > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>enlist
> > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
>right
> > >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and
>isolated.
> > >
> > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>allocated
> > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> > >chair dim liar.
> > >
> > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for 
wanting to be a part of the steering committee?  What could he possibly gain 
from this, except by actively fighting for control of his  own community?  
Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The  People's Campaign 
should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying to 
represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than Jason, 
or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the campaign" more 
important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community 
Control.  Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is and who 
it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for control 
over their community or republicans who can get funds and office spaces?  
You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it.  That's why he 
"split" from the campaign.  But what really happened is the campaign split 
from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this position for 
some kind of personal gain is disgusting.  Take that argument to the streets 
and off this board and see how far you get.  The only person I see having 
gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing authority.  The 
people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you consider 
helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your back on NB 
youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what "mountains" the 
office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you should 
"help but comment".

                                      Tamara


>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
>right!
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
>
>i can't help but comment:
>
>i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it strike you
>as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign once 
>he
>wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why would I
>want someone like that to be my leader?
>
>also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally yourself 
>with
>your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation ( a
>democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of political
>development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the office
>space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just like
>raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical elements
>of a campaign come to pass.
>
>ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
>
>kristina
>
> >
> >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the final
> >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim liar
> >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to elected
> >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a communist.).
> >
> >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee (motorcades...),
> >and possible victory.
> >
> >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist
> >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar
> >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> >
> >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of power
> >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> >
> >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the right
> >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and isolated.
> >
> >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> >
> >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> >
> >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated
> >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> >
> >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican party
> >chair dim liar.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for 
wanting to be part of the steering committee?  What could he have to gain 
from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring 
about
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On Saturday, April 21, 9AM to 2PM, the NJ Foundation for Open 
Government
(NJFOG) will be sponsoring a program to discuss NJs current problems 
over
access to public records.

"Frosty" Landon, president of the National Freedom of Information 
Coalition
and head of the Virginia Freedom of Information Group, and state 
Senator
Byron Baer (D-Bergen), one of the sponsors of NJs public access bill 
before
the Senate, will be featured as key speakers for this event.

NJFOG, a coalition of journalist and public interest groups, was 
recently
formed as a non-profit organization to advocate for better citizen 
access to
its government.

The program will be held at the Rutgers/Eagleton Institute in New 
Brunswick.
Only 60 seats will be available.  Reservations should be made early.
Tickets will be $15 if reserved, $20 at the door.

We appreciate your contacting your memberships to advise them of this
program.  Further details will be provided shortly.  If you have any
questions or wish to make early reservations, please contact:

Patricia Nelson
NJFOG
732-545-0304
GlendasHouse@... 

If you would like to learn more about the NJ Foundation for Open 
Government,
please send requests for further information to:

 NJ Foundation for Open Government
 236 Carol Rd
 N Plainfield NJ 07062

Or you may contact:

 Joe Tyrrell
President
908-429-9928
Jtyrrell@... 

"Blacks are genetically inferior (to whites)" and that is why they
are not allowed to flourish at Rutgers. And why there are more black
youth in prison than college
      -Rutgers President ~ Francis Nazi Lawrence

... and yet I rise!

We are joined with the coalition for Justice, initiated by the
People's Organization for Progress, for a March on Trenton May 16,
against racist profiling and police brutality.  We as students at
Rutgers and people who live in New Brunswick need not look outside
our own communities to notice racist profiling. (With just last week
some male/white supremacist tarnished the Cook/Douglas campus and
with university president Fascist Fran won't even provide a proper
facility for these women.)

Student organizations are critical in the broad fight against
racism/national oppression, and are particularly needed to make this
march successful.  Locally has been formed the Committee to Defeat
Racist Profiling and we are in need of support.

We are looking for organizational sponsors for the march, activists
to help educate/organize/mobilize students & into the New Brunswick
community which needs your help. Also to solicit support from
student governments & newspapers around all campuses. Finally to
develop statewide student coalitions to assist these community
struggles.

The trial for NB Troopers John Hogan & James Kenna, who fired 11
shots into a van of 4 unarmed Black/Latino youth in '98, is
scheduled to begin September 4. State hearings into who knew of
official racist profiling & when are happening at the present time,
with Verniero to be questioned come Tuesday. All eyes on Trenton,
where this investigation is happening.

This march, and other local activities, is our opportunity, as the
people, to add our voice & demands to the discussion. The Committee
To Defeat Racist Profiling is organizing a forum on campus for April
4 at the Paul Robeson Cultural Center and a local organizing meeting
for the march at the New Brunswick Public Library April 8.  For info
can_bush@...
Unite!

Joe Smith
1st year, University College, RU
Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling


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OK- U&S pamphlets are in...see you this weekend...


----Original Message Follows----
From: cliffsmith69@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:06:08 -0000

excellent work, matt!
again- organizing mtg to elect resident rep to nbha is 4pm, sat.,
community room, bldg1, projects.

& we are eager to begin production of u&s.
meeting has been penciled for sun. nite. contact keith...


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
 > This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to BOL/SWORD &
 > residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, while
 > simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign handed
 > the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first Republican
 > Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to join
 > BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from the
 > community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the Machine's
 > throat & make them accept the people's choice for representation---THAT
 > would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the local
 > Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of New
 > Brunswick!
 >
 > (by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position from 
NJFO
 > on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement
 > internally...)
 >
 > -Matthew
 >
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: cliffsmith69@h...
 > Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
 > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000
 >
 > meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election!
 > community room, bldg1, projects...
 >
 >
 > Council aims to name resident to housing panel
 >
 >                 Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
 >
 >                 By SHARON WATERS
 >                 STAFF WRITER
 >
 >                 NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night it
 > will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
 >                 Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
 > current commissioner's term expires next month.
 >
 >                 The council plans to appoint someone living in public
 > housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
 > Recine.
 >
 >                 The council has reached out to people, including Housing
 > Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes to
 > have
 >                 a list of names next week, he said.
 >
 >                 Racine said the council wants to have at least three
 > names so it can compare the candidates.
 >
 >                 The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
 > while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
 > Affairs
 >                 chooses another one.
 >
 >                 A federal regulation, which took effect in November
 > 1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There have
 > been
 >                 two chances to appoint a resident to the board since the
 > law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank Bright, a
 >                 Republican activist, and a council appointment in April
 > 2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.
 >
 >                 Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
 > Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come to
 > our
 >                 attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a public
 > housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
 > bounce her,"
 >                 said Hamilton.
 >
 >                 The resident will fill the term of Commissioner James M.
 > Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed because
 > of
 >                 the resident requirement, not because of his performance
 > as a commissioner, Recine said.
 >
 >                 "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have known
 > him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.
 >
 >                 George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
 > Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to select a
 >                 resident, saying it would help build a partnership
 > between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
 > representative
 >                 also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
 > board, Berry said.
 >
 >                 Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
 >
 >                 from the Home News Tribune
 >
 >                 Published: March 22, 2001
 >
 >
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no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i can't 
understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic accusations.


>From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the 
>garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:05:59 
>-0000
>
>Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for 
>wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he possibly gain 
>from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own community? 
>Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's Campaign 
>should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying to 
>represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than Jason, 
>or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the campaign" more 
>important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community 
>Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is and who 
>it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for control 
>over their community or republicans who can get funds and office spaces? 
>You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why he 
>"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign split 
>from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this position for 
>some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the streets 
>and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see having 
>gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing authority. The 
>people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you consider 
>helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your back on NB 
>youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what "mountains" the 
>office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you should 
>"help but comment".
>
>Tamara
>
>
> >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To: 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the 
>garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14 > 
> >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of history 
>pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the "budding 
>youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the steering 
>committee? why is that exactly? why would I >want someone like that to be 
>my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to 
>ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the 
>general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow 
>understanding of political >development. that is the nature of tactical 
>alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the campaign 
>than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task, so is 
>making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. > >ps. the 
>clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the may'00 
>peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason hankins 
>was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board seat. njfo 
>("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after 
>"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the nb 
>republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's 
>election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on grounds 
>that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach 
>committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather then 
>relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as 
>republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar > >pimped 
>this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather than 
>unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it is the 
>republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the "peoples'" 
>campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & 
>drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed 
>and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & 
>back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. > > > >all 
>eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining > >projects 
>residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must immediately 
>stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state legislature to 
>crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of 
>nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the garbage 
>can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the people. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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FREE DISCUSSION FORUM THIS MONDAY, MARCH 26TH, DOUGLASS STUDENT CENTER

Charitable Choice or
	Compassionate �Convert�icism??

On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal 
office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally 
financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01).

What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to 
prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy 
Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its 
relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of 
separation between church and state?

AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY

What are we going to do about it???

Join us in for an interactive discussion
break down the myths and
examine the truth behind �charitable choice�
and the latest right-wing attack on democracy

with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers student 
activist

Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm
Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe
Douglass College Center
FREE!

Sponsored by:
Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian,
and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO)

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Hi,

Sounds cool.  Just be careful to remember that it's as much an attack on
religion as it is an attack on the welfare state.  The "religion =
conservative = bad" vs. "secular = liberal = good" schtick only plays into
the hands of far right 'culture wars' ideologues, ultimately.  Not that
I'm personally what you'd call a man of faith.  

Have you looked at Marvin Olasky's work?  If not, he's much more central
to the plan than, say, Charles Murray.  (I don't know if Olasky also works
for the Manhattan Institute -- I thought he worked with the American
Enterprise Institute, but I could be wrong).  I know at least he's the
person who came up with the term 'compassionate conservatism'.

Later,  

Jeremy    


On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, kristina bas wrote:

> FREE DISCUSSION FORUM THIS MONDAY, MARCH 26TH, DOUGLASS STUDENT CENTER
> 
> Charitable Choice or
> 	Compassionate �Convert�icism??
> 
> On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first federal 
> office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally 
> financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01).
> 
> What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to 
> prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, Tommy 
> Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its 
> relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of 
> separation between church and state?
> 
> AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY
> 
> What are we going to do about it???
> 
> Join us in for an interactive discussion
> break down the myths and
> examine the truth behind �charitable choice�
> and the latest right-wing attack on democracy
> 
> with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers student 
> activist
> 
> Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm
> Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe
> Douglass College Center
> FREE!
> 
> Sponsored by:
> Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian,
> and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO)
> 
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Hi all,

The People's Center Committee will meet this coming 

TUESDAY, 3/27/01 at 9PM
95 Baldwin Street

Anyone interested is encouraged to come.
(If you need a ride, call Xavier at 735-1342)

As we decided at the People's Campaign's last General 
Meeting (following Debra Key''s proposal), we will begin 
planning for the opening of a People's Campaign Center 
for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for 
grassroots political activism and community cultural 
activities in New Brunswick. Among other points, we will 
focus on: 

-Finding potential sites

-Gathering resources and volunteers

-Raising necessary funds

-Promoting the plan for the People's Center throughout 
the New Brunswick community.

Hope to see you there.

In unity, 

Xavier

1st we shd state that there is no place within the peoples' democratic
united front against imperialism for republicans.

2nd we should recognize that petty bourgeois opportunism confused
(denied) the differences between the democrats & republicans in the
presidential election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate
(Bush2) seizing power.  A defeat for the people, at the hands of
"progressives".  The road to hell is paved w/ good intentions.

Locally, we must acknowledge that the Peoples' Campaign's opportunism
confused (ignored) the difference between the democrats & republicans
in the council election, resulting in the imperialists' best candidate
(FBushNB)seizing power.  A defeat for the people, at the hands of
"progressives".

The Peoples' Campaign/ NJFO ("for revolutionary democracy &
socialism"), take no responsibility for this.  Instead, hurl insults
at their critics.

The PC/NJFO puts forward the position that the peoples' primary enemy
in New Brunswick is the local Democratic political machine.  This view
is devoid of any class analysis, regardless the claims to marxism of
its defenders.  The Republican polical machine puts forward the EXACT
SAME POSITION, as it does nationally.

The Republican position is that the Democrats are corrupt &
inefficient.  Gov't oversight, review, open books, anti-corruption,
know yr rights, memorials(MLK...), fairness, "equality",
anti-brutality &c., all fit within the Republican (stated) program as
against the Democrats. In this way, the Republicans manipulate popular
dicontent with Democratic imperial sloppiness (Clinton, TedKennedy,
Cahill...), to replace w/ their more streamlined, "compassionate"
corporationism. They're not here to tear down the political machine,
just to do better.

The critics on the right do not fear abstract reformism. The
Republicans put Nadir in their anti-Gore ads!

The Republicans also put the Peoples' Campaign in their anti-Cahill
progam.  Because the PC made no anti-imperialist, clear, working-class
(peoples') position.  Only Seize Power From Cahill! "Community" is
ambiguous. Bush promotes the "Peoples' Budget"!  Republicans were
embraced into the highest positions of the PC, boosting their minority
position in NB. They & J&J both are eager to oust the clumsy
Democrats.

NB Republican Party Chair FB played the PC well.  His anti-Marxist,
anti-worker position was open & clear.  Yet he maintains official good
standing in the PC (certain individual bad feelings aside).  His most
public defenders come from w/in the PC at its highest levels, from its
most respected leaders, who themselves REGISTERED AS REPUBLICANS!
Why? to chase "office dreams", instead of peoples' organization.

The PC/NJFO minimizes (criminally) the relationship of the Republican
Secratary of State (DS) to the people of NJ & NB. DS is a fascist
operative.  His entire role is to cover racist profiling brutality,
the open, state terror of imperialist dictatorship.  Regardless of his
"religious" trappings (speaking of "clerical obscurantism" & "missing
Deforest for the trees"!), any affiliation to him is political, and
especially so when that affiliation comes from another political
figure, like an area council candidate!  Where is the demand that DS
release the $500,000 appropriated by the state legislature to
Crossroads Theater?  Where the demand that DS retract his official
defense of Attorney General (now SCJustice!) Peter ("racist profiling
didn't exist before 4/'98") Verniero?

DS' love-fest w/ Bush2 & DiFransesco last week is testament to local
Republican insurgency.  & responsibility falls squarely on the PC
"Republican Revolution".

Peoples' war on the right!  We also "zero in", curtis.
Go Frank Go Frank (& his Republican defenders) in the garbage can!

posted by joe
writin by cliff


>From: xavier.hansen@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] PEOPLE'S CENTER MEETING
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:10:44 +0000
>
>Hi all,
>
>The People's Center Committee will meet this coming
>
>TUESDAY, 3/27/01 at 9PM
>95 Baldwin Street
>
>Anyone interested is encouraged to come.
>(If you need a ride, call Xavier at 735-1342)
>
>As we decided at the People's Campaign's last General
>Meeting (following Debra Key''s proposal), we will begin
>planning for the opening of a People's Campaign Center
>for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for
>grassroots political activism and community cultural
>activities in New Brunswick. Among other points, we will
>focus on:
>
>-Finding potential sites
>
>-Gathering resources and volunteers
>
>-Raising necessary funds
>
>-Promoting the plan for the People's Center throughout
>the New Brunswick community.
>
>Hope to see you there.
>
>In unity,
>
>Xavier

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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> This is definitely a possitive development, and a credit to 
BOL/SWORD & 
> residents like George Berry for turning up the heat on this issue, 
while 
> simultaneously & correctly pointing out that the People's Campaign 
handed 
> the only siezure of political power to the republicans (first 
Republican 
> Party seat, which enabled Housing Authority position)...PC needs to 
join 
> BOL/SWORD in supporting George Berry's effort to elect a rep from 
the 
> community...LEFT BLOC city wide could force this issue down the 
Machine's 
> throat & make them accept the people's choice for 
representation---THAT 
> would be the first real crack in the anti-democratic armor of the 
local 
> Machine, and the first real political power siezed by the people of 
New 
> Brunswick!
> 
> (by the way, Joe, since you keep asking-- don't expect a position 
from NJFO 
> on many of these issues anytime soon, as there isn't much agreement 
> internally...)
> 
> -Matthew
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: cliffsmith69@h...
> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> Subject: [nbpc] city council concedes to resident rep on nbha
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:24:56 -0000
> 
> meet 4pm, sat. to organize residents' election!
> community room, bldg1, projects...
> 
> 
> Council aims to name resident to housing panel
> 
>                 Published in the Home News Tribune 3/22/01
> 
>                 By SHARON WATERS
>                 STAFF WRITER
> 
>                 NEW BRUNSWICK: The City Council announced last night 
it
> will appoint a resident to the board of commissioners of the New
>                 Brunswick Housing & Redevelopment Authority when a
> current commissioner's term expires next month.
> 
>                 The council plans to appoint someone living in 
public
> housing or using a Section 8 voucher, said council President Robert
> Recine.
> 
>                 The council has reached out to people, including 
Housing
> Authority officials, to get resumes of interested people and hopes 
to
> have
>                 a list of names next week, he said.
> 
>                 Racine said the council wants to have at least three
> names so it can compare the candidates.
> 
>                 The City Council appoints five of the commissioners,
> while the mayor selects one and the state Department of Community
> Affairs
>                 chooses another one.
> 
>                 A federal regulation, which took effect in November
> 1999, requires a public-housing resident to be on the board. There 
have
> been
>                 two chances to appoint a resident to the board since 
the
> law went into effect -- DCA's appointment this month of Frank 
Bright, a
>                 Republican activist, and a council appointment in 
April
> 2000 when Chairwoman Beatrice B. Harris was reappointed.
> 
>                 Asked why a resident was not chosen last April, City
> Attorney William Hamilton said, "It (the requirement) had just come 
to
> our
>                 attention. (Harris) was the chair and had been a 
public
> housing resident. I think there was a feeling they didn't want to
> bounce her,"
>                 said Hamilton.
> 
>                 The resident will fill the term of Commissioner 
James M.
> Scott Jr., which expires on April 3. Scott won't be reappointed 
because
> of
>                 the resident requirement, not because of his 
performance
> as a commissioner, Recine said.
> 
>                 "I have very high regard for Mr. Scott and have 
known
> him many years. I think he's done a great job," Recine said.
> 
>                 George Berry, president of the New Brunswick Homes
> Resident Council, said he was happy with the council's plan to 
select a
>                 resident, saying it would help build a partnership
> between residents, the Housing Authority and the city. A resident
> representative
>                 also will provide firsthand insight and input to the
> board, Berry said.
> 
>                 Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@t...
> 
>                 from the Home News Tribune
> 
>                 Published: March 22, 2001
> 
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I think Jason's not on this listserv speaking for himself because this 
list and njfo list are irrelevant soap boxes for dogmatic marxists who 
are determined not to make allies with anyone.  It's a damn shame 
what's happened to this list, and if you want one argument for taking 
over space, the dogmatists have illustrated it perfectly by placing 
high priority on monopolizing this list with rants and reminders.  

But this isn't space like it used to be, because I think everyone's 
been driven out.  So I hope that when the people's center for culture 
and democracy is in effect, the same people who have spent the last 
five months dissing the campaign and its office space don't decide 
they want to host their far left events there.

I can only wonder what other people think about this list, but they 
dare not express their views, lest they subject themselves to flogging 
with a moldy copy of the liner notes from the old Lefty hit "Gonzalo 
thought meets Knave Starvin", which is best played at 78 speed. 

From the trail of splitist emails, I'm beginning to think that the 
slogan of many SWORD combatants is community control over cyberspace. 
Well you have it. Bye.

Paul


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i 
can't 
> understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic 
accusations.
> 
> 
> >From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To: 
> >nbpeoplescampaign@y... Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the 
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 
04:05:59 
> >-0000
> >
> >Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives 
for 
> >wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he 
possibly gain 
> >from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own 
community? 
> >Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's 
Campaign 
> >should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying 
to 
> >represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB 
than Jason, 
> >or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the 
campaign" more 
> >important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- 
Community 
> >Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is 
and who 
> >it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for 
control 
> >over their community or republicans who can get funds and office 
spaces? 
> >You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why 
he 
> >"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign 
split 
> >from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this 
position for 
> >some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the 
streets 
> >and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see 
having 
> >gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing 
authority. The 
> >people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you 
consider 
> >helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your 
back on NB 
> >youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what 
"mountains" the 
> >office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise 
you should 
> >"help but comment".
> >
> >Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... >To: 
> >nbpeoplescampaign@y... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the 
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 
00:52:14 > 
> > >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of 
history 
> >pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the 
"budding 
> >youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the 
steering 
> >committee? why is that exactly? why would I >want someone like that 
to be 
> >my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is 
necessary to 
> >ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of 
the 
> >general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your 
narrow 
> >understanding of political >development. that is the nature of 
tactical 
> >alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the 
campaign 
> >than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task, 
so is 
> >making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. > 
>ps. the 
> >clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the 
may'00 
> >peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason 
hankins 
> >was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board 
seat. njfo 
> >("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as 
now)after 
> >"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the 
nb 
> >republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe 
smith's 
> >election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on 
grounds 
> >that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the 
outreach 
> >committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather 
then 
> >relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as 
> >republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar > 
>pimped 
> >this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather 
than 
> >unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it 
is the 
> >republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the 
"peoples'" 
> >campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself 
immediately, & 
> >drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be 
exposed 
> >and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal 
appointment & 
> >back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. > 
> > >all 
> >eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining > 
>projects 
> >residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must 
immediately 
> >stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state 
legislature to 
> >crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, 
residence of 
> >nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the 
garbage 
> >can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the 
people. 
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wanting 
> >to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain 
from it, 
> >besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring 
about 
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yes, i agree with your points of caution. its very easy to get repulsed by 
the conservative christian aspect of it (as it brings a bad taste to my 
mouth), and to then make the mistake of alienating all religious people, 
some of whom are natural allies.

ive recently met some progressive religious folks who are opening my eyes up 
to broader understandings of how charitable choice sucks. i recently heard 
this progressive theologian speak against compassionate conservatism, and 
when she ended with the quote about the rich man getting through the eye of 
the needle, i was hootin and hollering with everyone else!

kristina

>From: Jeremy Gross <jagross@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: [njfo] REMINDER: forum on Monday
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:08:14 -0500 (EST)
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Sounds cool.  Just be careful to remember that it's as much an attack on
>religion as it is an attack on the welfare state.  The "religion =
>conservative = bad" vs. "secular = liberal = good" schtick only plays into
>the hands of far right 'culture wars' ideologues, ultimately.  Not that
>I'm personally what you'd call a man of faith.
>
>Have you looked at Marvin Olasky's work?  If not, he's much more central
>to the plan than, say, Charles Murray.  (I don't know if Olasky also works
>for the Manhattan Institute -- I thought he worked with the American
>Enterprise Institute, but I could be wrong).  I know at least he's the
>person who came up with the term 'compassionate conservatism'.
>
>Later,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, kristina bas wrote:
>
> > FREE DISCUSSION FORUM THIS MONDAY, MARCH 26TH, DOUGLASS STUDENT CENTER
> >
> > Charitable Choice or
> > 	Compassionate �Convert�icism??
> >
> > On January 29, 2001, G.W. Bush announced the creation of the first 
>federal
> > office dedicated to the �integration of religious groups into federally
> > financed social services� (NY Times, 1/30/01).
> >
> > What are the origins of the "charitable choice"? How is it linked to
> > prominent (and undercover) right-wing ideologues like John Ashcroft, 
>Tommy
> > Thompson, and Charles Murray (of the 'Bell Curve' fame)? What is its
> > relationship to workfare? What does this mean for the principle of
> > separation between church and state?
> >
> > AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY
> >
> > What are we going to do about it???
> >
> > Join us in for an interactive discussion
> > break down the myths and
> > examine the truth behind �charitable choice�
> > and the latest right-wing attack on democracy
> >
> > with a presentation by Kristina Bas, NJFO member and former Rutgers 
>student
> > activist
> >
> > Monday, March 26, 2001 - 8 pm
> > Faculty Dining Room in the Douglass Cafe
> > Douglass College Center
> > FREE!
> >
> > Sponsored by:
> > Women's Defense Coalition (WDC), the Caellian,
> > and the New Jersey Freedom Organization (NJFO)
> >
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paul- 

kindly define these slurs, preferrably w/ examples...

"dogmatic marxists"
"determined not to make allies with anyone"
"their far left events"
"splitist emails"
"dissing the campaign"

community control over cyberspace.

kristina-

it is to laugh...

"i can't(?!) understand why these discussions degenerate into 
antagonistic 
accusations."

"i am finding these versions of history pretty funny."
"the "budding youth activist" split the Campaign"
"why would i want someone like that to be my leader?"
"your narrow understanding"
"ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying."

but perhaps there is too much stabbing. perhaps we should better agree 
on what is our disagreement.

can our haters deny that it is they who expelled us, not the reverse?

that their reason is they chose to ally with republicans as against 
working class activists?

that the reason for this is that they view the peoples' enemy as not 
the imperialist ruling class (nb, read: j&j), (using a class analysis 
of "the general situation" & representing the working class), but 
rather, as the local "democratic party machine", thus, using their not-
"narrow understanding", make "tactical alliances" with republican 
operatives?

can they deny that this petty-bourgeois, liberal trend dates well 
before the peoples' campaign, that i was expelled from the u&s study 
group in '96 for opposing republicans (dole), as against the (c.u. 
starvin) slogan, "boycott!", BY THE SAME PEOPLE who expelled block on 
lock for in '00 for opposing republicans as against the (njfo) slogan 
"tactically unite with republican foes, in the context of the general 
political situation, against the democratic party machine."

peoples' war on the right!
republicans in the garbage can!
build the peoples' democratic workers' party!
unite don't split!

cliff


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., shorepaulie@h... wrote:
> I think Jason's not on this listserv speaking for himself because this 
> list and njfo list are irrelevant soap boxes for dogmatic marxists who 
> are determined not to make allies with anyone.  It's a damn shame 
> what's happened to this list, and if you want one argument for taking 
> over space, the dogmatists have illustrated it perfectly by placing 
> high priority on monopolizing this list with rants and reminders.  
> 
> But this isn't space like it used to be, because I think everyone's 
> been driven out.  So I hope that when the people's center for culture 
> and democracy is in effect, the same people who have spent the last 
> five months dissing the campaign and its office space don't decide 
> they want to host their far left events there.
> 
> I can only wonder what other people think about this list, but they 
> dare not express their views, lest they subject themselves to flogging 
> with a moldy copy of the liner notes from the old Lefty hit "Gonzalo 
> thought meets Knave Starvin", which is best played at 78 speed. 
> 
> From the trail of splitist emails, I'm beginning to think that the 
> slogan of many SWORD combatants is community control over cyberspace. 
> Well you have it. Bye.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...> wrote:
> > no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i 
> can't 
> > understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic 
> accusations.
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... To: 
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@y... Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the 
> > >garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 
> 04:05:59 
> > >-0000
> > >
> > >Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives 
> for 
> > >wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he 
> possibly gain 
> > >from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own 
> community? 
> > >Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's 
> Campaign 
> > >should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying 
> to 
> > >represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB 
> than Jason, 
> > >or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the 
> campaign" more 
> > >important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- 
> Community 
> > >Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is 
> and who 
> > >it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for 
> control 
> > >over their community or republicans who can get funds and office 
> spaces? 
> > >You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why 
> he 
> > >"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign 
> split 
> > >from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this 
> position for 
> > >some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the 
> streets 
> > >and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see 
> having 
> > >gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing 
> authority. The 
> > >people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you 
> consider 
> > >helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your 
> back on NB 
> > >youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what 
> "mountains" the 
> > >office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise 
> you should 
> > >"help but comment".
> > >
> > >Tamara
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y... >To: 
> > >nbpeoplescampaign@y... >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the 
> > >garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 
> 00:52:14 > 
> > > >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of 
> history 
> > >pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the 
> "budding 
> > >youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the 
> steering 
> > >committee? why is that exactly? why would i want someone like that to be my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is 
> necessary to 
> > >ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of 
> the 
> > >general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your 
> narrow 
> > >understanding of political >development. that is the nature of 
> tactical 
> > >alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the 
> campaign 
> > >than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task, 
> so is 
> > >making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. > 
> >ps. the 
> > >clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the 
> may'00 
> > >peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason 
> hankins 
> > >was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board 
> seat. njfo 
> > >("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as 
> now)after 
> > >"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the 
> nb 
> > >republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe 
> smith's 
> > >election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on 
> grounds 
> > >that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the 
> outreach 
> > >committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather 
> then 
> > >relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as 
> > >republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar > 
> >pimped 
> > >this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather 
> than 
> > >unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it 
> is the 
> > >republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the 
> "peoples'" 
> > >campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself 
> immediately, & 
> > >drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be 
> exposed 
> > >and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal 
> appointment & 
> > >back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. > 
> > > >all 
> > >eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining > 
> >projects 
> > >residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must 
> immediately 
> > >stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state 
> legislature to 
> > >crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, 
> residence of 
> > >nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the 
> garbage 
> > >can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the 
> people. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > >_________________________________________________________________ 
> >Get 
> > >your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > 
> What are 
> > >you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for 
> wanting 
> > >to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain 
> from it, 
> > >besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring 
> about 
> > >_________________________________________________________________ 
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> > >FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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women unite!
remember the history of struggle of the women who have come before us.  
meet to discuss & organize around women's issues in our community as 
part of an all-women's caucus.

sunday march 25, 1pm at the monument square fountain

ninety years ago on march 25, 1911, 146 workers were killed in the 
triangle shirtwaist factory fire.  almost all the workers were young 
women under the age of 25, 67 of whom were forced to jump out of the 
7th, 8th, and 9th floor windows because of the absence of any 
sprinklers or fire exits.  doors were locked to prevent stealing.  this 
event was especially tragic because it occured 2 years after 20,000 
garment workers participated in a general strike for 13 weeks and took 
to the street in order to secure better working conditions, shorter 
hours and higher wages.  the unions accomplished many of their goals, 
but factories such as the triangle shirtwaist refused to adhere to even 
the most minimal of the workers' demands.  unfortunately, this crime 
against underpaid, overworked women is not even the most gruesome of 
either working conditions or factory safety to date.

at the time of the triangle shirtwaist fire, women could not vote.  ten 
years later, in 1921, the equal rights amendment was written by 
suffragist alice paul.  it has been introduced in congress every 
session since 1923.  it passed congress in 1972, but failed to be 
ratified by the necessary 38 states by the july 1982 deadline.  it was 
ratified by 35 states.

women must unite in our continuing struggle for self-determination!

for info contact sisterhoodNstruggle1@... or maura at 729.7471.

equal rights amendment:
sec.1- equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged 
by the united states or any state on account of sex.

sec.2- the congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate 
legislation, the provisions of this article.

sec.3- this amendment shall take effect 2 years after the date of 
ratification.

paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. 
sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the 
community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected 
school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on 
the city machine over the question of education because of recent test 
results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating 
the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a 
better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four 
thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it 
comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the 
community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the 
community organized through the campaign.

i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on 
getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of 
the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space 
to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only 
claim to the community.

jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign 
and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to 
curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization 
that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the 
people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can 
be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you 
got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people 
that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to 
do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise
the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care 
less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of 
bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and 
you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets 
will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.

as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better 
embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state 
or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.

"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over 
the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy 
compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an 
insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about 
building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing 
the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, 
imperialism.

joe

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> > City University of New York
> > The Center for Place, Culture and Politics
> > Graduate School & University Center
> > Presents:
> > Jay Mazur
> >
> >
> >
> > President, (UNITE) Union of Needle-trades, Industrial and Textile
> > Employees AFL-CIO
> >
> > The Triangle Fire & The New Internationalism
> >
> > Jay Mazur is President of the Union of Needle-trades, Industrial and
> > Textile Employees (UNITE) and Vice-President of the AFL-CIO.  He 
>pioneered
> > the offering of immigration legal services to union members and is a
> > leading spokesman for the rights immigrants and refugees and for liberal
> > immigration reform. He is a founder of the National Emergency Coalition
> > for Haitian Refugees and a member of the Board of Directors of the
> > International Rescue Committee. Mr. Mazur is also a member of a number 
>of
> > boards active in efforts to retain manufacturing jobs in the U.S. and
> > served as a director of the New York State Urban Development 
>Corporation.
> > He is a member of the Boards of Directors of American ORT, The Atlantic
> > Council, Freedom House and the American Ditchley Foundation, and is a
> > member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Holocaust Memorial 
>Council
> > and the Labor Advisory Committee for Trade Negotiations and Trade
> > Policy/U.S. Department of Labor.
> > Tuesday, March 27, 2001
> > 3:30pm
> > Room C204/205
> > (one level below the lobby)
> > The Graduate School & University Center
> > 365 Fifth Avenue (btwn 34th & 35th)
> >
> >
> >

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A coalition of New Brunswick community activists are organizing an 
election of eligible residents to select a representative to the New 
Brunswick Housing Authority.

We ask for the support of the Housing Authority and the City Council, 
and are calling residents to attend the Housing Authority meeting at 
7:00pm, Wednesday, 28 March at the Schwartz-Robeson Community Room,
37 Van Dyke Ave.

George Berry--Pres., NB Homes Tenants' Assoc.
Beverly Marshall--Pres., NB Apts. Tenants' Assoc.
Joe Mosely--2nd Vice-Chair, NJ Greens Party
Alyson Mihalenko--NB resident
Tamara Dahan--Sisterhood & Struggle
Gigi Thompson--NB resident
Frank Bright--Commissioner, NBHA, Chair, NB Republican Party
Cliff Smith--Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy

FYI,

The NBHA meeting begins at 6:45 pm on Wednesday. Those fifteen minutes may be 
important. And bring snacks (non crunchy) as the meeting will last for a few 
hours.

x, what ever happened to the survey responses? i thought that was the 
direction the peoples' campaign must go. the surveys were performed to 
allow the campaign to organize around community input. why not run the 
board of education campaign as the top survey result is community 
control over education? where is center on the survey responses? it 
seems as the community input has been ignored for a long while now. 
joe


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., xavier.hansen@a... wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The People's Center Committee will meet this coming 
> 
> TUESDAY, 3/27/01 at 9PM
> 95 Baldwin Street
> 
> Anyone interested is encouraged to come.
> (If you need a ride, call Xavier at 735-1342)
> 
> As we decided at the People's Campaign's last General 
> Meeting (following Debra Key''s proposal), we will begin 
> planning for the opening of a People's Campaign Center 
> for Culture and Democracy to serve as a headquarters for 
> grassroots political activism and community cultural 
> activities in New Brunswick. Among other points, we will 
> focus on: 
> 
> -Finding potential sites
> 
> -Gathering resources and volunteers
> 
> -Raising necessary funds
> 
> -Promoting the plan for the People's Center throughout 
> the New Brunswick community.
> 
> Hope to see you there.
> 
> In unity, 
> 
> Xavier

then, bas, what is "questionable"? your organizations support for 
republicans is the only thing that comes to mind!

joe


>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
>right!
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:36:08
>
>no, i was not trying to insinuate that he had ulterior motives. i can't
>understand why these discussions degenerate into antagonistic accusations.
>
>
> >From: "Tamara Dahan" Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the right! Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:05:59
> >-0000
> >
> >Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for
> >wanting to be a part of the steering committee? What could he possibly 
>gain
> >from this, except by actively fighting for control of his own community?
> >Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The People's Campaign
> >should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying to
> >represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than 
>Jason,
> >or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the campaign" 
>more
> >important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> >Control. Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is and who
> >it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for 
>control
> >over their community or republicans who can get funds and office spaces?
> >You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it. That's why he
> >"split" from the campaign. But what really happened is the campaign split
> >from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this position 
>for
> >some kind of personal gain is disgusting. Take that argument to the 
>streets
> >and off this board and see how far you get. The only person I see having
> >gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing authority. The
> >people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you consider
> >helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your back on 
>NB
> >youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what "mountains" the
> >office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you 
>should
> >"help but comment".
> >
> >Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the
> >garbage can! peoples' war on the >right! >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14 
> >
> > >i can't help but comment: > >i am finding these versions of history
> >pretty funny. doesn't it strike you >as questionable that the "budding
> >youth activist" split the Campaign once >he >wasn't elected to the 
>steering
> >committee? why is that exactly? why would I >want someone like that to be
> >my leader? > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to
> >ally yourself >with >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the
> >general situation ( a >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow
> >understanding of political >development. that is the nature of tactical
> >alliances. gaining the office >space did mountains more for the campaign
> >than you understand. just like >raising money is a necessary task, so is
> >making sure the practical elements >of a campaign come to pass. > >ps. 
>the
> >clever little nicknames are annoying. > >kristina > > > > >at the may'00
> >peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth > >activist jason 
>hankins
> >was nominated by block on lock for the final > >executive board seat. 
>njfo
> >("for revolutionary democracy & > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after
> >"office space" (rather than > >peoples' organization), backed the nb
> >republican party chair dim liar > >(after(!) he had challenged joe 
>smith's
> >election as chair to elected > >board of education committee, on grounds
> >that he is a communist.). > > > >hankins lost & left, with him the 
>outreach
> >committee (motorcades...), > >and possible victory. > > > >rather then
> >relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to enlist > > as
> >republican party members for election day privileges. dim liar > >pimped
> >this "artificial" support to his now real position. > > > >rather than
> >unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize > >power!, it is 
>the
> >republicans who have seized the position of power > >out of the 
>"peoples'"
> >campaign. > > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, &
> >drive the right > >from its organizations. all imposters must be exposed
> >and isolated. > > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment &
> >back george > >berry's call for elected resident representation. > > > 
> >all
> >eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining > >projects
> >residents (court hearing is 5april). > > > >skunk soaries must 
>immediately
> >stop obstructing the $500,000 allocated > > by the state legislature to
> >crossroads theater. > > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of
> >nb republican party > >chair dim liar. > > > >republicans in the garbage
> >can! peoples' war on the right! > >revolutionaries unite! with the 
>people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get
> >your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > What are
> >you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior motives for 
>wanting
> >to be part of the steering committee? What could he have to gain from it,
> >besides getting actively involved in his community trying to bring about
> >_________________________________________________________________ Get 
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Good day friends,

I found this gem on the Food Not Bombs egroups message board.  It was
posted by Diane Krauthamer to whom I just sent a thank you note for
circulating this super piece of work.

Enjoy!

Anna


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Hopefully this time the attachment will stick to the message.

Anna
alwargo@...


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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 01:52:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Elizabeth Weill-greenberg <elizabew@...>
To: jagross@...
Subject: TEACH-IN, this Thur, 3/29, 8pm (fwd)


Demarest Main Lounge, 8pm, March 29, Thu
Teach-In on the Construction of Punishment in US Society: Racism and 
Classism in the US Justice System
Lecturer:Dr. Richard Kempter, prof at John Jay, activist and retired prison 
psychologist

Part of RU Ignite's Education Not Incarceration Week

Please feel free to bring your org's lit.

Refreshments will be served.

See you there!

-Buffy
732-745-1482


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If it doesn't attach this time, I need help.


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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...> 
wrote:

A few points ought to be made in response:

1)  Your group seems to endlessly put Mr. Hankins up on a pedestal, 
which comes across as boundlessly weird.  Since you're all, presuming, 
in your early to mid 20's, and he's a NBHS student of about 17 years 
of age, something seems ethically out-of-whack.

2)  The (first) steering committee was elected democratically at the 
May convention by a relatively large meeting of individuals of a 
fairly evenly balanced variety of backgrounds and areas of residence 
in the city.  Jason Hankins was nominated, and that nomination was 
submitted to a vote fairly.  He gave a speech, like everyone else.  
And then he did not win the election.  How do you read a conspiracy 
against him into this?  Is democracy only valid on principle if you 
win?

3)  It could also be argued that it is not surprising that he lost.  I 
recall his speech, and it was lousy.  He was hunched over the podium. 
He was sort of mumbling.  He recited some stock lines about 
'democracy' that sounded like they had been spoonfed.  I think they 
were mostly slogans straight off of Block on Lock's flyers.  In short, 
he gave the audience, many of whom had no personal acquaintance with 
the majority of the nominees, no reason to vote for him.  And he gave 
them reasons, in turn, to not vote for him.  He certainly deserved to 
prove that he was more mature than his (chronological) age would 
suggest him as being.  But he did not quite prove himself to transcend 
that presumption.  

I apologize if this does not seem _superbly_ polite, but I think all 
of the points above are quite worth making, and entirely valid.  I 
only mention them because nobody has said them as of yet.  

Yours,

Jeremy 


> Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives 
for 
> wanting to be a part of the steering committee?  What could he 
possibly gain 
> from this, except by actively fighting for control of his  own 
community?  
> Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The  People's 
Campaign 
> should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying 
to 
> represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than 
Jason, 
> or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the 
campaign" more 
> important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community 
> Control.  Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is 
and who 
> it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for 
control 
> over their community or republicans who can get funds and office 
spaces?  
> You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it.  That's why 
he 
> "split" from the campaign.  But what really happened is the campaign 
split 
> from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this 
position for 
> some kind of personal gain is disgusting.  Take that argument to the 
streets 
> and off this board and see how far you get.  The only person I see 
having 
> gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing 
authority.  The 
> people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you 
consider 
> helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your 
back on NB 
> youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what 
"mountains" the 
> office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you 
should 
> "help but comment".
> 
>                                       Tamara
> 
> 
> >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on 
the 
> >right!
> >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> >
> >i can't help but comment:
> >
> >i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it 
strike you
> >as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the 
Campaign once 
> >he
> >wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why 
would I
> >want someone like that to be my leader?
> >
> >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally 
yourself 
> >with
> >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation 
( a
> >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of 
political
> >development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the 
office
> >space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just 
like
> >raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical 
elements
> >of a campaign come to pass.
> >
> >ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> >
> >kristina
> >
> > >
> > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the 
final
> > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim 
liar
> > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to 
elected
> > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a 
communist.).
> > >
> > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee 
(motorcades...),
> > >and possible victory.
> > >
> > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to 
enlist
> > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim 
liar
> > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > >
> > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of 
power
> > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > >
> > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the 
right
> > >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and 
isolated.
> > >
> > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > >
> > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > >
> > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000 
allocated
> > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > >
> > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican 
party
> > >chair dim liar.
> > >
> > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior 
motives for 
> wanting to be part of the steering committee?  What could he have to 
gain 
> from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying 
to bring 
> about
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do you remember that anti-nike email for a few weeks back?

once again, I LOVE THE INTERNET!


THE NATION
FEATURE STORY | April 9, 2001

My Nike Media Adventure
by JONAH PERETTI


Nike's website allows visitors to create custom shoes bearing a word or 
slogan--a service Nike trumpets as being about freedom to choose and freedom 
to express who you are. Confronted with Nike's celebration of freedom and 
their statement that if you want it done right, build it yourself, I could 
not help but think of the people in crowded factories in Asia and South 
America who actually build Nike shoes. As a challenge to Nike, I ordered a 
pair of shoes customized with the word "sweatshop." Nike rejected my 
request, marking the beginning of a correspondence between me and the 
company [see box]. None of Nike's messages addressed the company's legendary 
labor abuses, and their avoidance of the issue created an impression even 
worse than an admission of guilt. In mid-January I forwarded the whole 
e-mail correspondence to a dozen friends, and since that time it has raced 
around the Internet, reaching millions of people, even though I did not 
participate at all in its further proliferation. The e-mail began to spread 
widely thanks to a collection of strangers, scattered around the world, who 
took up my battle with Nike. Nike's adversary was an amorphous group of 
disgruntled consumers connected by a decentralized network of e-mail 
addresses. Although the press has presented my battle with Nike as a David 
versus Goliath parable, the real story is the battle between a company like 
Nike, with access to the mass media, and a network of citizens on the 
Internet who have only micromedia at their disposal.

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Everyone knows about the power of mass media, especially Nike. Nike is 
primarily a brand; its main product is advertisements rather than shoes or 
clothing. By spending nearly a billion dollars a year, Nike gains access to 
all major media outlets. Nike broadcasts a message that equates its famous 
swoosh with freedom, revolution and personal exuberance. Of course, this 
image is sharply at odds with the oppressive conditions faced by Nike 
factory workers. Nike's celebration of freedom never reached the ears of the 
Indonesian woman who had to trade sexual favors to get her job or the 
Mexican worker who was struck with a hammer by his angry manager. Both of 
these violations were reported earlier this year, and similarly graphic 
episodes have been discovered regularly over the past ten years. However, 
even with the benefit of these reports, activists have had trouble 
counteracting the lure of Nike's slick TV ads and high-profile endorsements.

Micromedia has the potential to reach just as many people as mass media, 
especially in the emerging networked economy. Most e-mail forwards die 
before they are widely distributed, but if critical mass is attained, it is 
possible to reach millions of people without spending any money at all. 
Another benefit is that each person receives the e-mail from a friend, often 
with a personal recommendation such as "I thought you would like this," or 
"This is really funny." So the audience is preselected for its receptivity 
to the message. When a recipient does enjoy the message, he or she can begin 
the process again by reforwarding it. It takes so little effort for each 
person to pass the message to multiple recipients that an idea can almost 
seem to be spreading on its own, like a self-replicating virus.

Nike has the advantage when it comes to mass media, but activists may have 
the advantage with micromedia. I discovered this accidentally when I sent my 
Nike e-mails to a few friends. My small group of friends may be divided from 
everyone else in the world by only six degrees of separation, but until the 
large-scale adoption of the Internet, this did not have such dramatic 
consequences. I never expected my conversation with Nike to be so widely 
distributed; the e-mail began to proliferate without my participation. The 
only force propelling the message was the collective action of those who 
thought it was worth forwarding. Unions, church groups, activists, teachers, 
mothers, schoolchildren and members of the US armed forces sent me letters 
of support. This contradicts Nike's claim that only fringe groups identify 
with anti-Nike sentiment. Rather, an expansive group of people from all 
walks of life are concerned about sweatshop labor and are dismayed by Nike's 
brand hegemony.

But the Nike e-mails did not reach these people all at once. Like all 
micromedia, the Nike e-mails jumped haphazardly around a network defined by 
personal relationships. The first people to get the message were friends or 
friends of friends who tended to be left-leaning and interested in 
technology. At this point, I received responses from people like Johana 
Shull, a college student in California, who informed me that she posted the 
Nike e-mails to her sociology class discussion list to support their 
discussion of freedom of expression as it relates to pop culture. As the 
message spread, it began circulating among die-hard activists who saw it as 
supporting their life's mission. The tone changed the day I got an urgent 
message from someone who called himself Biker-X. His query: "Please confirm 
if the entire Nike exchange took place for me. Inquiring activists want to 
know." In the coming days the message would race through the anti-Nike, 
culture-jamming, activist community. At this point, I was getting twenty or 
thirty e-mails a day, mostly from the United States and Britain, and I 
assumed that the circulation had peaked.

Then, something interesting happened. The micromedia message began to work 
its way into the mass media. This transformation was helped along by 
postings on media startups Plastic.com and Slashdot.org, two sites that use 
an innovative publishing technique somewhere between micro- and mass media. 
These democratic sites blur the line between editors and readers, so that 
Internet buzz can be transformed into a hotly debated news item seen by 
thousands of people. Reporters from traditional media outlets noticed posts 
on these sites or received the e-mail forward directly from friends, with 
notes saying things like, "You should really do a story about this." At 
first articles appeared in technology-focused and left-leaning publications 
like the San Jose Mercury News, Shey.net, Salon.com, the Village Voice and 
In These Times. But soon mainstays like Time, the BBC, the Los Angeles 
Times, USA Today, the Wall Street Journal and Business Week were covering 
the story. NBC's Today show flew me to New York for an appearance on 
national television. In almost every case, the reporters noted that they 
discovered the story online or heard about it from a close friend. Fatigued 
by PR-driven pitches, journalists saw the Nike e-mails as an opportunity to 
discover a story for themselves.



As the mass-media attention grew, so did the circulation of the e-mail. I 
began receiving 500 messages a day, sent from Australia, Asia, Africa and 
South America. The majority were letters of support or messages, like the 
one from Katy Joyce, to verify whether I was a real person or just an urban 
myth. Those who assumed I was real started to request advice about politics, 
economics and the kind of shoes they should buy. I knew the message had 
spread well beyond my circle of friends when I was cc'd this message from a 
man named George Walden: "I get a kick out of these elitist, eggheads and 
their self-serving, selfrighteous 'rain forest' ethics and contrived secular 
pieties. Somebody should burn 'sweatshop' into this foolish c**ksucking 
faggot's forehead with a cigarette." On the other extreme, I also began to 
receive marriage proposals and correspondence that could be described as fan 
mail.

Thankfully, my e-mail volume is finally back down to fewer than a hundred 
messages a day, and the media blitz is tapering off. The exchange is working 
its way into sociology textbooks, viral marketing seminars, business-school 
cases and doctoral dissertations. My guess is that in the long run this 
episode will have a larger impact on how people think about media than how 
they think about Nike and sweatshop labor. This larger lesson suggests an 
exciting opportunity for activists. The dynamics of decentralized 
distribution systems and peer-to-peer networks are as counterintuitive as 
they are powerful. By understanding these dynamics, new forms of social 
protest become possible, with the potential to challenge some of the 
constellations of power traditionally supported by the mass media.

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what hankins said was much better than what bright had to say! plus the work 
he had accomplished leading up to the convention was 1000X more important 
than anything bright did as well as yourself and njfo. bright openly 
attacked communism and was still embraced by njfo for steering committee. 
for revolutionary democracy... and snuggle up to republicans. f your ethics.

their was conspiracy on behalf of njfo in other circumstances also. putting 
zofia on "a pedestal" for the school board campaign to run against myself.

peoples' campaign and bourgeois democracy, so happy together.

joe


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
>right!
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:42:57 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...>
>wrote:
>
>A few points ought to be made in response:
>
>1)  Your group seems to endlessly put Mr. Hankins up on a pedestal,
>which comes across as boundlessly weird.  Since you're all, presuming,
>in your early to mid 20's, and he's a NBHS student of about 17 years
>of age, something seems ethically out-of-whack.
>
>2)  The (first) steering committee was elected democratically at the
>May convention by a relatively large meeting of individuals of a
>fairly evenly balanced variety of backgrounds and areas of residence
>in the city.  Jason Hankins was nominated, and that nomination was
>submitted to a vote fairly.  He gave a speech, like everyone else.
>And then he did not win the election.  How do you read a conspiracy
>against him into this?  Is democracy only valid on principle if you
>win?
>
>3)  It could also be argued that it is not surprising that he lost.  I
>recall his speech, and it was lousy.  He was hunched over the podium.
>He was sort of mumbling.  He recited some stock lines about
>'democracy' that sounded like they had been spoonfed.  I think they
>were mostly slogans straight off of Block on Lock's flyers.  In short,
>he gave the audience, many of whom had no personal acquaintance with
>the majority of the nominees, no reason to vote for him.  And he gave
>them reasons, in turn, to not vote for him.  He certainly deserved to
>prove that he was more mature than his (chronological) age would
>suggest him as being.  But he did not quite prove himself to transcend
>that presumption.
>
>I apologize if this does not seem _superbly_ polite, but I think all
>of the points above are quite worth making, and entirely valid.  I
>only mention them because nobody has said them as of yet.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
> > Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
>for
> > wanting to be a part of the steering committee?  What could he
>possibly gain
> > from this, except by actively fighting for control of his  own
>community?
> > Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The  People's
>Campaign
> > should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
>to
> > represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than
>Jason,
> > or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
>campaign" more
> > important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> > Control.  Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
>and who
> > it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
>control
> > over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
>spaces?
> > You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it.  That's why
>he
> > "split" from the campaign.  But what really happened is the campaign
>split
> > from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
>position for
> > some kind of personal gain is disgusting.  Take that argument to the
>streets
> > and off this board and see how far you get.  The only person I see
>having
> > gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
>authority.  The
> > people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
>consider
> > helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
>back on NB
> > youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
>"mountains" the
> > office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you
>should
> > "help but comment".
> >
> >                                       Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on
>the
> > >right!
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> > >
> > >i can't help but comment:
> > >
> > >i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
>strike you
> > >as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the
>Campaign once
> > >he
> > >wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
>would I
> > >want someone like that to be my leader?
> > >
> > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
>yourself
> > >with
> > >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
>( a
> > >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
>political
> > >development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
>office
> > >space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
>like
> > >raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
>elements
> > >of a campaign come to pass.
> > >
> > >ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> > >
> > >kristina
> > >
> > > >
> > > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
>final
> > > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
>liar
> > > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
>elected
> > > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a
>communist.).
> > > >
> > > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
>(motorcades...),
> > > >and possible victory.
> > > >
> > > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>enlist
> > > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim
>liar
> > > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > > >
> > > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
>power
> > > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > > >
> > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
>right
> > > >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and
>isolated.
> > > >
> > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > > >
> > > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > > >
> > > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>allocated
> > > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > > >
> > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican
>party
> > > >chair dim liar.
> > > >
> > > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
> > >
> > What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior
>motives for
> > wanting to be part of the steering committee?  What could he have to
>gain
> > from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying
>to bring
> > about
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Joe wrote:

"because the ? about building the united front is about **criticism unity 
criticism** and exposing the true enemies of the people"

Joe, go back and actually read the theory.  The scientific, dialectical 
formulation is "unity, struggle, unity" or "unity, struggle, 
transformation."  Maybe this is the problem with your dogmatic attacks on 
Curtis, and why BOL/SWORDs methods have consistantly made united front work 
impossible.  In other words, **criticism unity criticism** is antithetical 
to building the united front/left bloc.

Matt


Original Message
----------------

paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave.
sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the
community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected
school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on
the city machine over the question of education because of recent test
results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating
the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a
better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four
thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it
comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the
community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the
community organized through the campaign.

i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on
getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of
the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space
to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only
claim to the community.

jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign
and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to
curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization
that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the
people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can
be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you
got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people
that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to
do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise
the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care
less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of
bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and
you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets
will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.

as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better
embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state
or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.

"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over
the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy
compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an
insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about
building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing
the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve,
imperialism.

joe



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matt, i really have no idea what you're talking about, but you claim again 
that i make united front work impossible when it has been your organization 
that has led the splits and expelled organizers. how do you explain curtis 
supporting the selection of bright? REPUBLICAN AGENDA or agenda of community 
control? or is that the same thing to the peoples' campaign?


joe


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Shadow of a Metaphysician
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:03:18
>
>Joe wrote:
>
>"because the ? about building the united front is about **criticism unity
>criticism** and exposing the true enemies of the people"
>
>Joe, go back and actually read the theory.  The scientific, dialectical
>formulation is "unity, struggle, unity" or "unity, struggle,
>transformation."  Maybe this is the problem with your dogmatic attacks on
>Curtis, and why BOL/SWORDs methods have consistantly made united front work
>impossible.  In other words, **criticism unity criticism** is antithetical
>to building the united front/left bloc.
>
>Matt
>
>
>Original Message
>----------------
>
>paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave.
>sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting 
>the
>community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the 
>elected
>school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on
>the city machine over the question of education because of recent test
>results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating
>the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a
>better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four
>thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it
>comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the
>community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the
>community organized through the campaign.
>
>i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on
>getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part 
>of
>the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space
>to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only
>claim to the community.
>
>jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign
>and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to
>curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an 
>organization
>that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with 
>the
>people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can
>be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you
>got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people
>that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to
>do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and 
>praise
>the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care
>less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of
>bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and
>you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these 
>streets
>will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.
>
>as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better
>embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state
>or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.
>
>"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over
>the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy
>compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an
>insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about
>building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing
>the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve,
>imperialism.
>
>joe
>
>
>
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matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is 
you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms and 
out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take the 
arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day.

look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe

paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave. 
sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the 
community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected 
school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on 
the city machine over the question of education because of recent test 
results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating 
the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a 
better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four 
thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it 
comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the
community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the 
community organized through the campaign.

i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on 
getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of 
the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space 
to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only 
claim to the community.

jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign 
and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to 
curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization 
that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the 
people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can 
be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you 
got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people 
that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to 
do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise
the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care 
less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of 
bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and 
you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets 
will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.

as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better 
embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state 
or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.

"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over 
the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy 
compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an 
insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about 
building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing 
the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, 
imperialism.

joe
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paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave.  
sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the 
community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected 
school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on 
the city machine over the question of education because of recent test 
results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating 
the republican candidate. objectively, it would be a better goal to have the 
question on the ballot by september with four thousand newly registered 
voters. the office space and money can come as it comes, but it is the 
campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the community and raise the 
demands of the campaign, which are demands of the community organized 
through the campaign.

i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on 
getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of 
the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center.

jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign 
and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to 
curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization 
that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the 
people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can 
be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you 
got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people 
that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to 
do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise 
the selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care less for 
those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of bright is 
clearly pushing a republican not community control agenda and you (peoples' 
campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets will not 
embrace you in the same fashion as last year.

as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better 
embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state 
or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.

"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over 
the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy 
compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an 
insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about 
building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing 
the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve, 
imperialism.

joe
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Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that matter.  
I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's attacks 
on Curtis.  In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs 
criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of 
comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for instance.  I 
agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind the 
struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, and 
I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get involved 
with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make them 
more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs.   
Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more 
effective if the parents of the school children were involved and 
organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL led 
campaign.

I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office space/peoples 
center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic 
about this project becoming the main task of the PC.  That said, neither do 
I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan shouldn't 
get to make use of it when if it ever materializes.  There is noone saying 
that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial.  The criticism has 
been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from NJFO 
or the PC  2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the people of 
NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this out) 
and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model of 
struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the struggle 
in the superstructure & politics.  Also I don't unite with Paul's belittling 
of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain standard 
(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD began 
to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & more 
scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really stop 
reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with everything 
written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines and 
practise rebutting them effectively.)  Anyhow, Joe, getting on board Joe 
Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent use 
of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer to 
the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to start 
an seperate effort that it can control.  & I fully support you and anyone 
else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson Ave, 
and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods.

What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after not 
being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of alot of 
the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight on 
formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the ranks, 
which is where the people are.  Aside from that, I would only imagine that 
Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have been 
just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack the 
popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, bringing 
us back to where we started.  And your logic of **criticism unity 
criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing to 
attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody unleashed an 
all points attack on Joe Smith like:

JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian 
trotskyite splitist bastard!!
JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian 
trotskyite splitist bastard!!
JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian 
trotskyite splitist bastard!!
JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian 
trotskyite splitist bastard!!
JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian 
trotskyite splitist bastard!!


........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity, 
Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make my 
argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track record 
and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're 
willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on.

--Matthew



----Original Message Follows----
From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000

matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is
you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms and
out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take the
arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day.

look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe

paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave.
sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting the
community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the elected
school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on
the city machine over the question of education because of recent test
results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating
the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a
better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four
thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it
comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the
community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the
community organized through the campaign.

i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on
getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part of
the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space
to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only
claim to the community.

jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign
and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to
curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an organization
that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with the
people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can
be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you
got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people
that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to
do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and praise
the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care
less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of
bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and
you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these streets
will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.

as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better
embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state
or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.

"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over
the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy
compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an
insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about
building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing
the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve,
imperialism.

joe
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(Anyone who would like to submit an additional proposal 
for the agenda for this meeting can do so by e-mailing 
to the following address: xavier.hansen@....)

NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE�S CAMPAIGN

PROPOSED AGENDA FOR THE GENERAL MEETING OF 3-31-01

2:00PM 	Introduction 

2:10PM 	Approval of the Chair � Tom DeGloma  
(alternative nominations can be proposed)

2:20PM 	Approval of the Agenda  -  (items may be added 
if supported by the majority)

2:30PM 	PEOPLE�S CENTER PROJECT � Report from the 
Committee
		
At our February meeting, we decided to gather resources 
to open a People�s Campaign Center for Culture and 
Democracy to serve as a headquarters for grassroots 
political activism and cultural activities in New 
Brunswick. The committee will brief us on the progress 
made locating a potential site and on fundraising. 
 
3:00PM 	PROPOSAL ON MEMBERSHIP AND ABSENTEE BALLOTS RULES

At our February meeting, we charged the Steering 
Committee with the task of developing clear rules for 
voting by absentee ballots. The proposal drafted by 
Flavio Komuves was distributed for review at our March 
meeting.  (See below)

3:30PM 	PROPOSALS ON THE COMING GUBERNATORIAL ELECTIONS

At our March meeting, we planned to discuss the People�s 
Campaign involvement in the upcoming gubernatorial 
elections. Several members proposed that we support the 
candidacy of Democrat Jim McGreevy against either 
Republican gubernatorial candidate (DiFranscesco or 
Schundler). The Steering Committee agrees with this 
proposal and suggests the following immediate tasks:

A) To form a committee to approach the McGreevy campaign 
and discuss with them the possible scope of our 
involvement and the resources they would make available 
to us.

B) To organize a forum/discussion for all campaign 
members and supporters to discuss our role in the 
gubernatorial elections and how supporting the candidacy 
of Jim McGreevy would further the goals of the People�s 
Campaign.

4:00PM	ELECTION OF STEERING COMMITTEE ALTERNATE MEMBERS

At our February meeting, we decided to elect two 
alternate members to the Steering Committee who could 
take the place of  permanent Steering Committee members 
should they become unable to fulfill their duties. 

4:30PM	ORGANIZING SESSION  

After we have decided on our course of action, we 
propose to focus the last half hour of the meeting on 
determing the various tasks required to carry out our 
decisions and finding volunteers to fulfill each of them.


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Because the Steering Committee lacked quorum last night, amendments 
to the agenda were not possible.  However, I wanted to alert everyone 
that there at least 3 modifications being considered as an offer from 
the floor.

1. To limit the first three items to five minutes each, not ten, and 
the remaining items to 20 minutes each, not 30.  This will allow more 
time for some "real" work in the form of the organizing session 
planned for the end of the meeting.

2. To add time to receive a report from Paul McGee and Justin Boswell 
on the NBPC flyer they promised to prepare by this meeting.

3. To add a proposal that NBPC join the Coalition for Justice.  CFJ 
is a coalition in which the Edison/Metuchen NAACP, inter alia, is 
organizing an anti-police brutality march in Trenton.

Comments on the main agenda or on these or other proposed amendments 
are welcome here.

to expand on point #3 there are many other organizations throughout the 
state on board and many more coming, see list below. the CFJ is in need of 
organizers to help spread the word (organize) for the march. locally there 
is a forum April 4 @ Paul Robeson Culture Center themed Defeat Racist 
Profiling with attention being paid to the anniversery of Dr. King's murder. 
there is a group headed to trenton on saturday to distribute literature in 
the neighborhoods and on busy sidewalks. any peoples interested in helping 
promote forum or heading to trenton on saturday can contact 
can_bush@... some poeple are travelling to trenton this 
wednesday(tomorrow) to demand the impeachment of peter verneiro, who will be 
questioned by senate committee about racist profiling.

or to just get involved with CFJ and what they might be doing to promote 
march contact larry hamm 1.973.801.0001 or minister linnie mohammad 
lmuhammad44@... statewide organizing meeting is april 7 at 2:00 in 
trenton. local organizing meeting is april 8 at 1:00 new brunswick library.

joe

here are the organizations involved to this point-

JOE- AS OF MARCH 9, 2001, THE FOLLOWING ORGANIZATIONS ARE SOME OF THE
SPONSORS OF
THE MARCH ON TRENTON:


PEOPLE'S ORGANIZATION FOR PROGRESS, NEW JERSEY STATE CONFERENCE OF NAACP 
BRANCHES,  BLACK MINISTERS' COUNCIL OF NJ, TRENTON BRANCH NAACP, NJ BLACK 
ISSUES CONVENTION, NJ  MILLION FAMILY MARCH COALITION, BLACK COPS AGAINST 
POLICE BRUTALITY, CWA LOCAL 1033,  MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE NO. 44, TRENTON MILLION 
MAN MARCH COALITION, MUHAMMAD'S MOSQUE  NO. 25, SAVE OUR CHILDREN, IMANI 
CHURCH, HOPEWELL ANTI-RACIST, CAMDEN LOGISTICAL  ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE, 
TRENTON VICTORY ANGLES, STUDENT/WORKER ORGANIZATION FOR  REVOLUTIONARY 
DEMOCRACY, COMMITTEE TO DEFEAT RACIST PROFILING & POLICE BRUTALITY,  
SISTERHOOD & STRUGGLE, AND CHAIN BREAKERS

DOUGLASS
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THE PROPOSAL REGARDING MEMBERSHIP OF THE CAMPAIGN AND ABSENTEE BALLOT 
REGULATIONS (REFERENCED IN THE AGENDA POSTED BY JULIE POULOS) APPEARS 
BELOW.


MEMBERSHIP OF THE CAMPAIGN

A. 	Members of the Campaign are:

	1. New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether citizens 
or not, upon appearing at a general meeting or a convention meeting;

	2. Non-New Brunswick residents, age 13 or older, whether 
citizens or not, who have within the last six months, performed 
actual work or rendered actual assistance to the Campaign, upon 
attending a full general meeting or convention meeting; and

	3. Any person under age 13, whether a citizen or not, who has 
within the last six months, performed actual work or rendered actual 
assistance to the Campaign.
 

B.	A person who supports the Campaign and who has performed 
actual work for the Campaign but whose schedule does not allow them 
to attend meetings becomes a member upon submitting a notice of the 
same to the Steering Committee.

 
C. 	A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to 
the purposes of the Campaign.

 
ABSENTEE BALLOT REGULATIONS
of the
NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN

	1.	Attendance at Campaign meetings is a right of all 
Campaign members.  However, because all Members may be unable to 
attend every meeting, and mindful that nonattendance at a meeting, 
without more, should not disqualify a Member from participating in 
decisions of the organization, these Absentee Ballot Regulations are 
adopted, effective immediately. 

	2.	Absentee ballots may be cast by any Member of the 
Campaign who will not be attending a meeting.  However, absentee 
ballots may only be used as to elections for campaign offices or 
candidate endorsements.  They may not be used to vote on resolutions, 
policies, or proposals. 

	3.	For an absentee ballot to be valid, the Member 
desiring to vote by absentee ballot must contact a Steering Committee 
member to inform him or her of their intentions at least 24 hours in 
advance of the meeting. 

	4.	At the outset of a meeting, each Steering Committee 
member who has been contacted about absentee ballots shall either 
file a written list or verbally declare a list, of persons who have 
contacted them to vote by absentee ballot.

	5.	An absentee ballot may be cast telephonically or by 
paper. 

	6.	A telephonic absentee vote shall be cast as follows.  
The Member shall make telephonic contact with a person present at the 
meeting.  The Member shall then orally give his or her vote to at 
least two of the election tellers responsible for counting who shall 
then record the vote.  The tellers receiving the vote are both sworn 
to secrecy with regard to how the voter voted.

	7.	A paper absentee ballot shall be cast as follows.  
The Member shall place a paper, stating the office to be voted upon 
and the candidate(s) for whom the votes are cast shall be placed into 
a sealed envelope.  On the envelope, the voter shall write or type 
the following: "I AM A MEMBER OF THE NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLES CAMPAIGN 
AND I VOTED THIS BALLOT IN SECRET" and shall sign and print their 
name directly below that.  The election tellers, after confirming 
that the absentee voter is a member and after being satisfied of the 
authenticity of the ballot, shall count any such paper ballot in 
their election returns and are sworn to secrecy with regard to how 
the voter voted.

matt wrote: Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be 
far more effective if the parents of the school children were involved and 
organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL led 
campaign.

BOL consisted of many city youth who had taken over and led the outreach 
committe i.e. every saturday and sunday there was 1/2 dozen nb youth out 
gathering survey's and also it was the nb youths' involvement that made the 
motorcade so successful. these two particulars were the most visible 
projects of the peoples' campaign (besides fliers on poles) these projects 
reached and touched the community. yes these youths parents were not 
organized that much outside of the childrens involvement, but that was much 
much more than previous years. so we have developed through our work, not 
just waitin around and criticizing others. the nbpc didn't even knock on one 
door to gather one valid signature to talk with parents and put the question 
of the elected school board on the ballot, so how do you expain this attempt 
to organize the parents - which you claim would be so effective. but they 
still claimed leadership of the campaign which is absolutely fucked up. the 
more nbpc lets xavier (or any others) win votes to work on issues not based 
on the survey results and campaign platform, the futher removed the campaign 
is from the community - office space or not. the mentality and consciousness 
of the nbpc must be a reflection of the consciousness of the community. 
otherwise it is just some "advanced" clique of peoples putting flags in 
their heads and claiming themselves leaders.

joe

>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a metaphysician
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:02:39
>
>Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that matter.
>I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's attacks
>on Curtis.  In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs
>criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of
>comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for instance.  I
>agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind the
>struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, and
>I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get 
>involved
>with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make 
>them
>more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs.
>Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more
>effective if the parents of the school children were involved and
>organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL led
>campaign.
>
>I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office space/peoples
>center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic
>about this project becoming the main task of the PC.  That said, neither do
>I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan shouldn't
>get to make use of it when if it ever materializes.  There is noone saying
>that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial.  The criticism has
>been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from NJFO
>or the PC  2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the people of
>NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this 
>out)
>and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model of
>struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the 
>struggle
>in the superstructure & politics.  Also I don't unite with Paul's 
>belittling
>of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain standard
>(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD 
>began
>to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & more
>scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really stop
>reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with everything
>written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines and
>practise rebutting them effectively.)  Anyhow, Joe, getting on board Joe
>Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent use
>of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer to
>the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to 
>start
>an seperate effort that it can control.  & I fully support you and anyone
>else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson Ave,
>and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods.
>
>What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after not
>being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of alot of
>the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight on
>formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the ranks,
>which is where the people are.  Aside from that, I would only imagine that
>Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have been
>just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack the
>popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, bringing
>us back to where we started.  And your logic of **criticism unity
>criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing to
>attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody unleashed an
>all points attack on Joe Smith like:
>
>JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
>trotskyite splitist bastard!!
>JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
>trotskyite splitist bastard!!
>JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
>trotskyite splitist bastard!!
>JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
>trotskyite splitist bastard!!
>JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
>trotskyite splitist bastard!!
>
>
>........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity,
>Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make my
>argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track record
>and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're
>willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on.
>
>--Matthew
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000
>
>matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is
>you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms and
>out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take 
>the
>arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day.
>
>look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe
>
>paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen ave.
>sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting 
>the
>community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the 
>elected
>school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump on
>the city machine over the question of education because of recent test
>results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and beating
>the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be a
>better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four
>thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as it
>comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the
>community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the
>community organized through the campaign.
>
>i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on
>getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part 
>of
>the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a space
>to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the only
>claim to the community.
>
>jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign
>and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to
>curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an 
>organization
>that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with 
>the
>people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders can
>be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, you
>got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of people
>that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue to
>do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and 
>praise
>the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care
>less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support of
>bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and
>you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these 
>streets
>will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.
>
>as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better
>embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of state
>or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.
>
>"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from over
>the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too busy
>compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an
>insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about
>building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing
>the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve,
>imperialism.
>
>joe
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paul, i think this is awesome. you need to seriously email this to them like 
every day. pester pester pester till someone gives us a chance!!!


>From: "Arthouse 559" <arthouse559@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Assata Shakur and the New Brunswick movement
>Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:38:35 -0500
>
>This is a message I sent to Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now! crew.  This
>followed an email exchange I had with one of their producers. I think we 
>can
>do more outreach based on this model. Check it out--Paul
>
>
>Dear Kris Abrams and the Democracy Now! crew,
>
>We corresponded on March 8th after Democracy Now! played a recording of
>Assata Shakur talking about the prison-industrial complex.  I emailed you
>right after the show and asked if I could replay the recording at a poetry
>event that I work on.
>
>Kris emailed me back and said that would be fine. She also wrote that if we
>have stuff worth covering in New Brunswick, then she wants to hear about 
>it.
>So I sent Kris the following email to her account. I wanted to resend the
>message to the democracy now! email acct.
>
>I explained that Assata Shakur is a local hero where I live, in New
>Brunswick, NJ, and that many people I know have languished in the jails and
>prisons where Assata was illegal held. The Assata recording really 
>resonates
>with what we do in New Brunswick. I thought that Democracy Now! might be
>interested in checking out the New Brunswick scene.
>
>We have a vibrant activist community in New Brunswick, and one of the
>feature events we do is called Arthouse. Arthouse is a poetry, music and
>performance art event which features local and regional talent and
>encourages people to make their own art in the name of progressive issues
>and freedom. Basically, we say everyone has a voice and they need to use it
>to fight for their rights and for the collective advancement of the
>majority.
>
>Here's my original message:
>
>Dear Kris,
>     Again I want to thank you for your email.  I want to bring up what we 
>do
>in
>     New Brunswick. There is a long history of activism in many ideological
>     traditions in New Brunswick.  We're home to Rutgers U., the state 
>school
>of
>     NJ.  During the 60s, students sat in the univ. pres's office to 
>protest
>the
>     Vietnam War.  During the 80s, large groups moved for divestment in 
>South
>     Africa and against the violence in Central America.  In the 90s,
>students
>     mobilized to take back campus space for women and fight against a 
>racist
>     Rutgers president.
>
>     New Brunswick is also the world hq of Johnson and Johnson, and the 
>city
>has
>     been characterized by slash and burn redevelopment in the years since
>the
>     race riots of the sixties. The permanent residents are 85% black and
>latino,
>     and suffer prolonged poverty, disenfranchisement and political
>repression
>     dating back to the days of Jim Crow.
>
>     Following these trends, some longstanding activist groups came 
>together
>early
>     last year to create an agenda to reverse the climate of corporate
>control and
>     political corruption that has long characterized this "Democrat" Party
>town.
>     We formed the New Brunswick People's Campaign, comprised of longtime
>     residents and students who are black, white and latino.  We developed 
>a
>     platform around community control of local institutions and civil
>rights.  We
>     ran the most successful independent challenge to the Democrat Party
>Machine
>     to date, and got 30% of the vote (despite severe repression, the most
>     successful independent ticket in the tri-State area) in the city 
>council
>     campaign on our first try.
>
>     As the city council campaign grew, we developed Arthouse as an
>independent
>     event meant to champion the need for space for people to express
>themselves.
>     We held numerous events with poetry, hip hop, folk, a live band, and a
>     diverse crowd.  The show has become one of the centerpieces of our
>diverse
>     and growing activist community.  We're fighting to liberate space in
>which
>     people can speak for their rights and can express themselves
>artistically to
>     each other.
>
>     We think our work represents a model which needs to be broadcast to
>people
>     all over the country in this age of privatization and rollbacks of
>rights.  I
>     want to invite you and a sound crew to the April Arthouse, where we'll
>spray
>     all kinds of expression related to the movement we're trying to build.
>I
>     hope to hear from you soon.
>
>     Yours, Paul McGee
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joe,

your accusations that njfo manipulates the campaign to do our evil 
(republican) bidding make you hard to take seriously. it's truly laughable. 
you seriously dis the dozens of campaign activists who are not in njfo, who 
have nothing to do with njfo, who have done more work for the community than 
you know.

what i want to know, if the campaign is so contemptable, so 
'petty-bourgeois', so 'behind the people', so fucked up, then why keep 
bothering us? why be on this egroups and take part in the same discussions 
with the same people? why exactly? are you trying to win us over to the 
'right' line?

you don't even understand how far from reality your accusations are. the 
hours and hours spent canvassing, organizing, planning... these are all lost 
on you and BoL (probably because you weren't there for any of it). you will 
never acknowledge that the campaign was a serious victory because you were 
not at the helm.

kristina

the nbpc didn't even knock on one
>door to gather one valid signature to talk with parents and put the 
>question
>of the elected school board on the ballot, so how do you expain this 
>attempt
>to organize the parents - which you claim would be so effective. but they
>still claimed leadership of the campaign which is absolutely fucked up. the
>more nbpc lets xavier (or any others) win votes to work on issues not based
>on the survey results and campaign platform, the futher removed the 
>campaign
>is from the community - office space or not. the mentality and 
>consciousness
>of the nbpc must be a reflection of the consciousness of the community.
>otherwise it is just some "advanced" clique of peoples putting flags in
>their heads and claiming themselves leaders.
>
>joe
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a metaphysician
> >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:02:39
> >
> >Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that matter.
> >I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's 
>attacks
> >on Curtis.  In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs
> >criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of
> >comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for instance.  
>I
> >agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind the
> >struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education, 
>and
> >I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get
> >involved
> >with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make
> >them
> >more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs.
> >Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more
> >effective if the parents of the school children were involved and
> >organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL 
>led
> >campaign.
> >
> >I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office space/peoples
> >center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic
> >about this project becoming the main task of the PC.  That said, neither 
>do
> >I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan shouldn't
> >get to make use of it when if it ever materializes.  There is noone 
>saying
> >that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial.  The criticism 
>has
> >been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from 
>NJFO
> >or the PC  2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the people 
>of
> >NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this
> >out)
> >and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model 
>of
> >struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the
> >struggle
> >in the superstructure & politics.  Also I don't unite with Paul's
> >belittling
> >of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain standard
> >(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD
> >began
> >to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic & 
>more
> >scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really stop
> >reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with 
>everything
> >written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines and
> >practise rebutting them effectively.)  Anyhow, Joe, getting on board Joe
> >Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent 
>use
> >of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer 
>to
> >the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to
> >start
> >an seperate effort that it can control.  & I fully support you and anyone
> >else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson Ave,
> >and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods.
> >
> >What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after 
>not
> >being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of alot 
>of
> >the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight on
> >formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the ranks,
> >which is where the people are.  Aside from that, I would only imagine 
>that
> >Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have been
> >just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack 
>the
> >popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front, 
>bringing
> >us back to where we started.  And your logic of **criticism unity
> >criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing to
> >attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody unleashed 
>an
> >all points attack on Joe Smith like:
> >
> >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> >
> >
> >........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity,
> >Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make my
> >argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track 
>record
> >and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're
> >willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on.
> >
> >--Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI
> >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000
> >
> >matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it is
> >you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms 
>and
> >out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to take
> >the
> >arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day.
> >
> >look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe
> >
> >paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen 
>ave.
> >sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and uniting
> >the
> >community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the
> >elected
> >school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump 
>on
> >the city machine over the question of education because of recent test
> >results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and 
>beating
> >the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would be 
>a
> >better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four
> >thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come as 
>it
> >comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize the
> >community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of the
> >community organized through the campaign.
> >
> >i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working on
> >getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as part
> >of
> >the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a 
>space
> >to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the 
>only
> >claim to the community.
> >
> >jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the campaign
> >and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to
> >curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an
> >organization
> >that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than with
> >the
> >people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders 
>can
> >be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets, 
>you
> >got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of 
>people
> >that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and continue 
>to
> >do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and
> >praise
> >the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could care
> >less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support 
>of
> >bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda and
> >you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these
> >streets
> >will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.
> >
> >as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had better
> >embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of 
>state
> >or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.
> >
> >"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from 
>over
> >the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too 
>busy
> >compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an
> >insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about
> >building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and exposing
> >the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve,
> >imperialism.
> >
> >joe
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Let the record show the following with regards to the
Board of Education campaigns run by two organizations,
Campaign for an Elected Board of Education and the New
Brunswick Peoples Campaigns Committee for an Elected
School Board.

These two organizations, I believe, both conducted
necessary work towards the school board question.  

The Campaign for an Elected School Board was largely
responsible for collecting the signatures needed to
place the question on the ballot.  They held regular
meetings inviting residents to discuss the question. 
They got important press hits.  They assisted a
resident in organizing a rally for an Elected School
Board.  They conducted one or more mailings to
residents on their organized events and on the school
board question.  This activity was closely associated
to other efforts of the members and often included the
call for Revolutionary Democracy.  They also included
a photocopy of NBPC literature with the Campaign for
an Elected Board of Education's messages photocopied
onto the back, although the NBPC was not aware that
this was happening at the time.

The NBPC took another tack.  We held regular meetings
and kept in in-depth touch with a committed group of
concerned parents and teachers, including individuals
who were leaders in the school system.  Our strategy
of contacting people was through existing networks via
telephone and visits, which we found to have a high
rate of success. We developed a piece of literature
with the input of parents and teachers that one person
said was the best piece of literature put out during
the New Brunswick elections, and was highly
appreciated by teachers.  We spent hours supporting
parent and student activists working on school related
issues that directly affected their communities. We
also challenged the wording of the school board
question in court, which was confusing, and won some
gains.  Through these struggles we also got press for
the issue. Our supporters also had to spend time
explaining to individuals that literature sent out by
the CFESB was not actually from the NBPC, when many
individuals got upset upon receiving that mailing,
confused into thinking that the two organizations'
organizers and platforms were one and the same.

This is not a treatise so while I am certain I have
forgotten some pieces on both I will stop. Feel free
to add or correct any mistakes, as some of this info
is from what others have told me.

This is to say there were strengths and weaknesses in
both campaigns.  Lets learn from them and move forward.

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Let the record show the following with regards to the
Board of Education campaigns run by two organizations,
Campaign for an Elected Board of Education and the New
Brunswick Peoples Campaigns Committee for an Elected
School Board.

These two organizations, I believe, both conducted
necessary work towards the school board question.  

The Campaign for an Elected School Board was largely
responsible for collecting the signatures needed to
place the question on the ballot.  They held regular
meetings inviting residents to discuss the question. 
They got important press hits.  They assisted a
resident in organizing a rally for an Elected School
Board.  They conducted one or more mailings to
residents on their organized events and on the school
board question.  This activity was closely associated
to other efforts of the members and often included the
call for Revolutionary Democracy.  They also included
a photocopy of NBPC literature with the Campaign for
an Elected Board of Education's messages photocopied
onto the back, although the NBPC was not aware that
this was happening at the time.

The NBPC took another tack.  We held regular meetings
and kept in in-depth touch with a committed group of
concerned parents and teachers, including individuals
who were leaders in the school system.  Our strategy
of contacting people was through existing networks via
telephone and visits, which we found to have a high
rate of success. We developed a piece of literature
with the input of parents and teachers that one person
said was the best piece of literature put out during
the New Brunswick elections, and was highly
appreciated by teachers.  We spent hours supporting
parent and student activists working on school related
issues that directly affected their communities. We
also challenged the wording of the school board
question in court, which was confusing, and won some
gains.  Through these struggles we also got press for
the issue. Our supporters also had to spend time
explaining to individuals that literature sent out by
the CFESB was not actually from the NBPC, when many
individuals got upset upon receiving that mailing,
confused into thinking that the two organizations'
organizers and platforms were one and the same.

This is not a treatise so while I am certain I have
forgotten some pieces on both I will stop. Feel free
to add or correct any mistakes, as some of this info
is from what others have told me.

This is to say there were strengths and weaknesses in
both campaigns.  Lets learn from them and move forward.

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get this out and get other organizations on board. if you prefer e-mail get 
it to can_bush@... and i'll forward it immediately.
there is much work to do for this march, anything you can do helps 
tremendously.

joe

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kristina, the nbpc did not help put the question on the ballot. nbpc did not 
collect any validated petition signatures. or do you claim to have done so, 
because that would be news. that is not to say that nbpc did no work for the 
campaign, but i was stating this to make a point with matthew. matthew 
stated that if the parents were organized the campaign would be better (more 
or less) and i agreed, but i also had to point out the fact that it was BOL 
that was knocking on doors and meeting the parents to get them involved with 
the campaign at least enough to get their signature for the petitions.

how is that i dis the dozens of people outside of njfo?

i never said that the campaign was not a victory, can you explain why you 
claim that? i am simply pointing to the platform of community control and 
the surveys of the community with my arguements. that is why i bother with 
you, because you claim to represent the community. and now, nbpc is placing 
priorities above the communities needs and demands. and that is what you 
must deal with. the fact that nbpc is attempting to completly ignore the 
surveys of the community, which is your only claim to represent it, is a 
serious mistake.

i never criticized your hours of 'canvassing, organizing and planning" on 
the other hand, and any honest person will tell you, i've supported nbpc 
100% against the city machine and encouraged others to join with you. i 
invited nbpc members to all press and community events i worked on 
throughout the campaign, not some but every one we organized. in fact with 
my latest posts, i'm encouraging nbpc to again canvass the nb neighborhoods 
to put the school board question back on the ballot, did you not read that?

but, yes njfo deserves all the criticism it gets and more for it's 
republican agenda and your time would be better spent addressing it. not 
avoiding it and trying to throw it back in my face where it don't belong. 
but you can laugh if you want, comfortably out of town.

tenants rights now! republicans in the garbage can!
joe


>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a little-league pitcher
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:54:02
>
>joe,
>
>your accusations that njfo manipulates the campaign to do our evil
>(republican) bidding make you hard to take seriously. it's truly laughable.
>you seriously dis the dozens of campaign activists who are not in njfo, who
>have nothing to do with njfo, who have done more work for the community 
>than
>you know.
>
>what i want to know, if the campaign is so contemptable, so
>'petty-bourgeois', so 'behind the people', so fucked up, then why keep
>bothering us? why be on this egroups and take part in the same discussions
>with the same people? why exactly? are you trying to win us over to the
>'right' line?
>
>you don't even understand how far from reality your accusations are. the
>hours and hours spent canvassing, organizing, planning... these are all 
>lost
>on you and BoL (probably because you weren't there for any of it). you will
>never acknowledge that the campaign was a serious victory because you were
>not at the helm.
>
>kristina
>
>the nbpc didn't even knock on one
> >door to gather one valid signature to talk with parents and put the
> >question
> >of the elected school board on the ballot, so how do you expain this
> >attempt
> >to organize the parents - which you claim would be so effective. but they
> >still claimed leadership of the campaign which is absolutely fucked up. 
>the
> >more nbpc lets xavier (or any others) win votes to work on issues not 
>based
> >on the survey results and campaign platform, the futher removed the
> >campaign
> >is from the community - office space or not. the mentality and
> >consciousness
> >of the nbpc must be a reflection of the consciousness of the community.
> >otherwise it is just some "advanced" clique of peoples putting flags in
> >their heads and claiming themselves leaders.
> >
> >joe
> >
> > >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] shadow of a metaphysician
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:02:39
> > >
> > >Joe- I'm not making Jeremy's argument or Paul's arguent for that 
>matter.
> > >I've been consistantly making my own argument regarding BOL/SWORD's
> >attacks
> > >on Curtis.  In fact, I have spelled out where I agree with BOL/SWORDs
> > >criticisms of NJFO as well as how the PC was conducted and the type of
> > >comprimises that were made that empowered the republican's for 
>instance.
> >I
> > >agree with you that it is an opportune time for the PC to get behind 
>the
> > >struggle for peoples' democracy & comunity control in public education,
> >and
> > >I also think the best way to do that would be for our forces to get
> > >involved
> > >with existing programs in the schools and stuggle to broaden them, make
> > >them
> > >more accessible, and make them more relevant to the community's needs.
> > >Further, a campaign for an elected board of education would be far more
> > >effective if the parents of the school children were involved and
> > >organized--something that I didn't see a lot of evidence of in the BOL
> >led
> > >campaign.
> > >
> > >I would further agree that we don't need a seperate office 
>space/peoples
> > >center to do any of this, which is why I've been less than enthusiastic
> > >about this project becoming the main task of the PC.  That said, 
>neither
> >do
> > >I unite with Paul's position that people who criticize the plan 
>shouldn't
> > >get to make use of it when if it ever materializes.  There is noone
> >saying
> > >that having an independant space wouldn't be beneficial.  The criticism
> >has
> > >been that 1) this project is not the best allocation of resources from
> >NJFO
> > >or the PC  2) that it's not an initiative being called for by the 
>people
> >of
> > >NB (you are right to draw attention to the survey results to point this
> > >out)
> > >and 3)that as far as NJFO's leadership goes, this is an economist model
> >of
> > >struggle that puts development of infrastructure & *$* ahead of the
> > >struggle
> > >in the superstructure & politics.  Also I don't unite with Paul's
> > >belittling
> > >of this egroup forum, and if he think's it's not up to a certain 
>standard
> > >(which our egoup lists have never quite achieved even before BOL/SWORD
> > >began
> > >to embrace new technology) than I would expect to see less sarcastic &
> >more
> > >scientific contributions from him (Paul- assuming you didn't really 
>stop
> > >reading these posts, consider at least that if you disagree with
> >everything
> > >written on this list, then it is good practise to learn others' lines 
>and
> > >practise rebutting them effectively.)  Anyhow, Joe, getting on board 
>Joe
> > >Mosley & Co.'s plan for a community center seems alot more intelligent
> >use
> > >of an organizer's time and energy, and will certainly bring them closer
> >to
> > >the community that they seek to represent, than the current PC plan to
> > >start
> > >an seperate effort that it can control.  & I fully support you and 
>anyone
> > >else that is going to fight to change Commercial Ave to Paul Robeson 
>Ave,
> > >and the raising of revolutionary culture in the neighborhoods.
> > >
> > >What else- I don't really have a postition on Jayson dropping out after
> >not
> > >being elected onto the steering committee, because I'm not aware of 
>alot
> >of
> > >the particulars...accept to say that you shouldn't put too much weight 
>on
> > >formal leadership--you can be a very effective organizer from the 
>ranks,
> > >which is where the people are.  Aside from that, I would only imagine
> >that
> > >Jayson's perceptions of the People's Campaign as a whole might have 
>been
> > >just slightly tainted by what he was fed by BOL as they began to attack
> >the
> > >popular leadership of the newly formed and existing united front,
> >bringing
> > >us back to where we started.  And your logic of **criticism unity
> > >criticism** that might have led you to think that it was a good thing 
>to
> > >attack Curtis so dogmatically would be the same as if somebody 
>unleashed
> >an
> > >all points attack on Joe Smith like:
> > >
> > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> > >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> > >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> > >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> > >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> > >JOE SAID CRITICISM UNITY CRITISISM!! He's an unrepentant sectarian
> > >trotskyite splitist bastard!!
> > >
> > >
> > >........but of course that would not be in the spirit of Unity,
> > >Struggle(Criticism), Unity--so instead, I will just point it out, make 
>my
> > >argument, and give you the benifit of the doubt, based on your track
> >record
> > >and commitment to the struggle over the last several years, that you're
> > >willing to look at an error and learn from it and move on.
> > >
> > >--Matthew
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----Original Message Follows----
> > >From: "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: [nbpc] shadow of a portrait of a shadow ptI
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:25:00 -0000
> > >
> > >matt, is that really all you have to pick at with my arguement? and it 
>is
> > >you that takes the arguement off the topic and into metaphysical terms
> >and
> > >out of context. argue the point matt! you and now jeremy attempt to 
>take
> > >the
> > >arguement competely out of itself, when it is right there plain as day.
> > >
> > >look i'll copy it right below so you can see it. joe
> > >
> > >paul, arguments and disagreements are real in cyberspace and on remsen
> >ave.
> > >sword is very interested in the peoples' campaign doing work and 
>uniting
> > >the
> > >community. i would suggest that the peoples' campaign should run the
> > >elected
> > >school board campaign this year. not only is this the best time to jump
> >on
> > >the city machine over the question of education because of recent test
> > >results, the cebe would work to fine tune pc for Ras' campaign and
> >beating
> > >the republican candidate by electing mc greasy. objectively, it would 
>be
> >a
> > >better goal to have the question on the ballot by september with four
> > >thousand newly registered voters. the office space and money can come 
>as
> >it
> > >comes, but it is the campaigns that raise consciousness and organize 
>the
> > >community and raise the demands of the campaign, which are demands of 
>the
> > >community organized through the campaign.
> > >
> > >i am all for an office/community/recreation/debate space, i am working 
>on
> > >getting the name of commercial ave changed to Paul Robeson Avenue as 
>part
> > >of
> > >the initial stage of Mosley's plan for a community center. but not a
> >space
> > >to punch in and punch out and that's the day. not a space that is the
> >only
> > >claim to the community.
> > >
> > >jayson is not on this listserve because he was expelled from the 
>campaign
> > >and does not know it is available. you think jayson should apoligize to
> > >curtis, who he knows would sell him out in a second, to join an
> > >organization
> > >that is more interested in allying themselves with republicans than 
>with
> > >the
> > >people in the streets? that is the arguement, not reminders. reminders
> >can
> > >be erased but if you plan on coming back into NB onto the same streets,
> >you
> > >got some explaining to do. because you all expelled the majority of
> >people
> > >that have upheld the campaign platform of community control and 
>continue
> >to
> > >do so. while curtis, your "untouchable", can stand confidently by and
> > >praise
> > >the illegal selection of bright to the housing authority as he could 
>care
> > >less for those people living in public housing. curtis with his support
> >of
> > >bright is clearly pushing a republican, not community control, agenda 
>and
> > >you (peoples' campaign) must address that immediately. or else these
> > >streets
> > >will not embrace you in the same fashion as last year.
> > >
> > >as far as the community's center for culture and democracy, it had 
>better
> > >embrace the left because you might find some republican secratary of
> >state
> > >or someone with-holding necassary funding to your existance.
> > >
> > >"splitist e-mails". i should type in all the letters of expulsion from
> >over
> > >the years your organizations njfo, peoples' campaign have been all too
> >busy
> > >compiling. while you would have none from bol/sword. a split is not an
> > >insult as your new codes of conduct go on about, because the ? about
> > >building the united front is about criticism unity criticism and 
>exposing
> > >the true enemies of the people, i.e. republicans and what they serve,
> > >imperialism.
> > >
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groovemeister wrote:
C.       A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to
the purposes of the Campaign.

if the purpose of the campaign is democratic community control over the 
istitutions that govern the community, i move that all those that claim this 
campaign "is not here to tear down any political machines" be immediately 
investigated.

further, if the work of the campaign is to reflect the needs of the
community based on 1000 survey results of input, i move that all campaign 
activities must be developed around this input. the work for an elected 
school board would then primarily replace that work for a center for out of 
towners to punch in at. as the community's top survey response IS community 
control over education and nothing has been put forward for center from the 
community. therefor all persons placing their own superficial understanding 
of NB activism in front of the input of the community must be immediately 
investigated.

these investigations should be carried out openly by nbpc members to 
immediately right the ship and begin sailing towards the objective goal for 
community control. although it seems as though this campaign is determined 
on ignoring the community and puting forward personal initiatives in place, 
i feel that all can be corrected but only through practical tasks. not in 
meetings, rather on the streets in campaigns for the community. otherwise 
the community is suffering and nbpc is winning over the enemies of the 
people.

joe
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>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the 
>right!
>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:42:57 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Tamara Dahan" <tamaradahan@h...>
>wrote:
>
>A few points ought to be made in response:
>
>1)  Your group seems to endlessly put Mr. Hankins up on a pedestal,
>which comes across as boundlessly weird.  Since you're all, presuming,
>in your early to mid 20's, and he's a NBHS student of about 17 years
>of age, something seems ethically out-of-whack.
>
>2)  The (first) steering committee was elected democratically at the
>May convention by a relatively large meeting of individuals of a
>fairly evenly balanced variety of backgrounds and areas of residence
>in the city.  Jason Hankins was nominated, and that nomination was
>submitted to a vote fairly.  He gave a speech, like everyone else.
>And then he did not win the election.  How do you read a conspiracy
>against him into this?  Is democracy only valid on principle if you
>win?
>
>3)  It could also be argued that it is not surprising that he lost.  I
>recall his speech, and it was lousy.  He was hunched over the podium.
>He was sort of mumbling.  He recited some stock lines about
>'democracy' that sounded like they had been spoonfed.  I think they
>were mostly slogans straight off of Block on Lock's flyers.  In short,
>he gave the audience, many of whom had no personal acquaintance with
>the majority of the nominees, no reason to vote for him.  And he gave
>them reasons, in turn, to not vote for him.  He certainly deserved to
>prove that he was more mature than his (chronological) age would
>suggest him as being.  But he did not quite prove himself to transcend
>that presumption.
>
>I apologize if this does not seem _superbly_ polite, but I think all
>of the points above are quite worth making, and entirely valid.  I
>only mention them because nobody has said them as of yet.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
> > Are you trying to say that Jason had some kind of ulterior motives
>for
> > wanting to be a part of the steering committee?  What could he
>possibly gain
> > from this, except by actively fighting for control of his  own
>community?
> > Was he angling for a republican foothold in NB? The  People's
>Campaign
> > should be an accurate reflection of the community that it is trying
>to
> > represent. Is Frank a better representative of the people in NB than
>Jason,
> > or was/is the office space that did "mountains more for the
>campaign" more
> > important than what the campaign was supposed to be about- Community
> > Control.  Maybe you should reclarify what the purpose of the PC is
>and who
> > it is to consist of. People from the community who are fighting for
>control
> > over their community or republicans who can get funds and office
>spaces?
> > You sold Jason out for $ and an office and he knows it.  That's why
>he
> > "split" from the campaign.  But what really happened is the campaign
>split
> > from him. After that, to imply that Jason was angling for this
>position for
> > some kind of personal gain is disgusting.  Take that argument to the
>streets
> > and off this board and see how far you get.  The only person I see
>having
> > gained is Frank with his stolen appointment on the housing
>authority.  The
> > people's campaign definitely didn't gain anything unless you
>consider
> > helping to put your enemy in a position of power or turning your
>back on NB
> > youth to be gains. But maybe I just don't understand what
>"mountains" the
> > office did for the campaign and you'd care to explain. Otherwise you
>should
> > "help but comment".
> >
> >                                       Tamara
> >
> >
> > >From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@h...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on
>the
> > >right!
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:52:14
> > >
> > >i can't help but comment:
> > >
> > >i am finding these versions of history pretty funny. doesn't it
>strike you
> > >as questionable that the "budding youth activist" split the
>Campaign once
> > >he
> > >wasn't elected to the steering committee? why is that exactly? why
>would I
> > >want someone like that to be my leader?
> > >
> > >also, not understanding why, at times, it is necessary to ally
>yourself
> > >with
> > >your foe (ie. a republican) in the context of the general situation
>( a
> > >democratic party machine) indicates your narrow understanding of
>political
> > >development. that is the nature of tactical alliances. gaining the
>office
> > >space did mountains more for the campaign than you understand. just
>like
> > >raising money is a necessary task, so is making sure the practical
>elements
> > >of a campaign come to pass.
> > >
> > >ps. the clever little nicknames are annoying.
> > >
> > >kristina
> > >
> > > >
> > > >at the may'00 peoples' campaign convention, budding local youth
> > > >activist jason hankins was nominated by block on lock for the
>final
> > > >executive board seat. njfo ("for revolutionary democracy &
> > > >socialism"), fiending (as now)after "office space" (rather than
> > > >peoples' organization), backed the nb republican party chair dim
>liar
> > > >(after(!) he had challenged joe smith's election as chair to
>elected
> > > >board of education committee, on grounds that he is a
>communist.).
> > > >
> > > >hankins lost & left, with him the outreach committee
>(motorcades...),
> > > >and possible victory.
> > > >
> > > >rather then relying on the people, njfo encouraged activists to
>enlist
> > > >  as republican party members for election day privileges. dim
>liar
> > > >pimped this "artificial" support to his now real position.
> > > >
> > > >rather than unite(with the people!), organize(the people!), seize
> > > >power!, it is the republicans who have seized the position of
>power
> > > >out of the "peoples'" campaign.
> > > >
> > > >the nb "left bloc" must identify itself immediately, & drive the
>right
> > > >from its organizations.  all imposters must be exposed and
>isolated.
> > > >
> > > >dim liar must resign now! his illegal appointment & back george
> > > >berry's call for elected resident representation.
> > > >
> > > >all eviction proceedings must immediately cease against remaining
> > > >projects residents (court hearing is 5april).
> > > >
> > > >skunk soaries must immediately stop obstructing the $500,000
>allocated
> > > >  by the state legislature to crossroads theater.
> > > >
> > > >protest 4pm sunday 218 george st, residence of nb republican
>party
> > > >chair dim liar.
> > > >
> > > >republicans in the garbage can! peoples' war on the right!
> > > >revolutionaries unite! with the people.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >Can you expain why it's "boundlessly weird" to support NB youth gettin 
>involved with the struggle for community control? I think it's "weirder" 
>for the PC to support republicans and turn their backs on the youth. Maybe 
>if Jason's posture was better and his speech polished then he would have 
>won- oh, but he couldn't get an office space so probably not- right?
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> > What are you trying to say? That Jason had some kind of ulterior
>motives for
> > wanting to be part of the steering committee?  What could he have to
>gain
> > from it, besides getting actively involved in his community trying
>to bring
> > about
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PEOPLES WAW ON THUH RIGHT

KAW MAWX IS MY HERO

MAWX, YEAH MAWX. REV-UH-LUTION.

you don like mawx?  what's that suppos'd to mean? where can I get njfo's 
position on the appointment of cliff's weebus in my mowff???

I WROTE A POEM
IT'S CALLED "FOR MAWX"

FOR MAWX
---------
mawx is my hero
kawl is my friend
my mowff's full ah pee
and that is the end


yours,

Bill Rubin
aka bilirubin

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This yahoogroup continues to escalate in its level of
disrespect for people and indecency.  Many members of
the campaign have unsubscribed or simply remained
mute, blown away for along time at the rantings that
get posted on this site, often by people who are not
even members of the campaign.

From its inception, the yahoogroup was designed as an
open space for communication, to encourage openness
and dialogue.  We very specifically discussed the need
to not have discussion closed off from anyone inside
or outside of the campaign, in order to promote
openness and honesty.  Unfortunately, "dialogue" has
degenerated to diatribe, and for a long time, people
have been attacked, shut out by voluminous ranting, or
have left the list.  Many of those remaining on the
list including myself have not reacted to these
diatribes, assuming that a response would only incite
more.  At some point, though, in my opinion, enough is
enough.

This list does not represent the membership of the New
Brunswick Peoples Campaign.  I propose that this
Saturday we discuss what can be done to turn this
listserve back in to a forum that encourages sharing
of information and ideas.

Zofia Nowakowski

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>To: krisbas@...
>Subject: from anna
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:11:31 -0500
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>DevCo document.  Please post.  Thank you.  =)  Anna

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Kristina:

Regrettably, this list does not allow for attachments.  I don't know 
who the list owner is, or whether s/he even has this power, but if 
possible it should be altered.  Does anyone else have some answers in 
that regard

On a related note, where are you and Anna getting the files in 
question?  They seem interesting and if I can subscribe to that 
source I would like to do so.

Anna Wargo was trying to forward some interesting research done on DevCo by 
a friend of hers. I think we will get a hold of some hard copies of this 
document, and then make them available in person. that might be easier. will 
let you know what happens.


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>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Attachments
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:20:36 -0000
>
>Kristina:
>
>Regrettably, this list does not allow for attachments.  I don't know
>who the list owner is, or whether s/he even has this power, but if
>possible it should be altered.  Does anyone else have some answers in
>that regard
>
>On a related note, where are you and Anna getting the files in
>question?  They seem interesting and if I can subscribe to that
>source I would like to do so.
>
>
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anyone who hasn't had the chance to see the home news today, thursday, 
should go to homenews tribune.com (two words) and click on east brunswick 
home news tribune. they have a photo of a banner "defeat racist profiling" 
that i brought to trenton yesterday. the picture in the actual paper is 
front page and huge and headline reads, "verneiro in hotseat". the 
questioning of verneiro was tremendous to be a part of and i encourage all 
to get involved with this march on trenton may 16. SWORD will be heading to 
trenton this saturday to meet up with nation of islam and community members 
to flier and reach out to community in order to build local base/support for 
march. also, locally the committee to defeat racist profiling is organizing 
a forum on april 4 to commemorate the racist murder of a true civil rights 
organizer, king jr. the forum is themed defeat racist profiling and police 
brutality and will be held in the multi-purpose room of the paul robeson 
cultural center. we embrace the attitude "defeat" because that is what it 
will take. slavery did not just stop one day, it was defeated (at least that 
phase) and now we again must approach racist proiling and police brutality 
with the same manner. contact can_bush@... for further deatails 
about events. help promote these events, contact me and i'll drop fliers at 
your house to help promote local events.

joe
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TO THE EDITOR:
(FOR PUBLICATION)

New Jersey's Election Law requires a county board of
elections to redistrict a town whenever voting
districts there become too large, too small, or too
inconvenient for voters.  The March 23 Home News
reported that the Middlesex Board of Elections
recently shirked these legal duties as to New
Brunswick.  The Board's regrettable inaction virtually
assures that chaos and confusion will again rule in
polling sites here as in the November 2000 election. 

More regrettable, however, are the false and
misleading comments of William Hamilton, New Brunswick
City Attorney in connection with the redistricting. 
Hamilton claimed he proposed to carve out three
Rutgers dormitories from a voting district and place
them in a new district.  But Hamilton falsely blames
Frank Bright, New Brunswick's Republican Party for
scuttling this plan by claiming Bright did not support
the proposal.  Hamilton's claim is untrue, as Mr.
Bright fully supported the plan to place the student
dormitories into a new voting area.  

Hamilton also fails to admit that he ignored a more
expansive plan offered by Mr. Bright that better
promoted constitutional voting rights in the city, not
just for students but for all residents and
demonstrated respect for and compliance with state
law.  Hamilton also fails to tell that his own plan
was devised without letting any important city group
(e.g. students, People's Campaign, or the Republican
Party) participate in the process.

Neither the City government nor the Middlesex Board
made any effort to foster open, democratic
participation in the redistricting plan. This is a
monumental mistake and the Board and the City
government should admit their errors and include the
taxpaying electorate next time instead of shutting
them out. 

FLAVIO L. KOMUVES
General Counsel
New Brunswick People's Campaign
P.O. Box 131
New Brunswick, NJ 08903
609/987-6854 work

groovemeister wrote:
C.       A member may be expelled for conduct seriously inimical to
the purposes of the Campaign.

if the purpose of the campaign is democratic community control over the 
istitutions that govern the community, i move that all those that claim this 
campaign "is not here to tear down any political machines" be immediately 
investigated.

further, if the work of the campaign is to reflect the needs of the 
community based on 1000 survey results of input, i move that all campaign 
activities must be developed around this input. the work for an elected 
school board would then primarily replace that work for a center for out of 
towners to punch in at. as the community's top survey response IS community 
control over education and nothing has been put forward for center from the 
community. therefor all persons placing their own superficial understanding 
of NB activism in front of the input of the community must be immediately 
investigated.

these investigations should be carried out openly by campaign members to 
immediately right the ship and begin sailing towards the objective goal for 
community control. although it seems as though this campaign is determined 
on ignoring the community and puting forward personal initiatives in place, 
i feel that all can be corrected but only through practical tasks. not in 
meetings, rather on the streets in campaigns for the community. otherwise 
the community is suffering and nbpc is winning over the enemies of the 
people.

joe
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Minority lawmakers stage
                racial profiling protest 

                By JOHN P. McALPIN
                The Associated Press
                3/29/01 7:25 PM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- The day after the former 
attorney
                general said he couldn't remember key details about 
racial
                profiling, minority lawmakers tried to force the state
                Assembly to vote on long-delayed bills to end the 
practice.

                One by one, minority lawmakers Thursday asked the
                Assembly to act on bills designed to stop racial 
profiling by
                police or aid reform efforts. 

                Many of the bills have been stalled in Assembly
                committees for more than a year. Members of the black
                and Hispanic legislative caucus interrupted the day's 
voting
                session, demanding to know the status of the bills. 

                Among the proposals is a bill to create an independent
                prosecutor for racial profiling and to create a 
specific law
                against the practice. 

                In a series of votes, the Republican-controlled 
Assembly
                tabled each bill by a count of 41-39. That action sent 
them
                back to the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee. 

                Black Democrats in the Assembly tried to use house 
rules
                to fast-track bills regarding racial profiling 
directly to the
                floor for a full vote. 

                Assemblyman Joseph Charles, D-Hudson, said he was
                disappointed his efforts failed on a party-line vote. 

                "I would have hoped that at least some members of the
                other party would have supported us," he said. 

                "We were trying to draw attention to the fact that 
since
                August 1999, the black and Latino Democratic caucus 
has
                recommended consideration of bills that would add
                protections from racial profiling and institutional 
racism in
                the state police. 

                "Too much time has passed without affirmative action," 
he
                said. 

                Charles said Democrats wrote letters to Republican
                committee chairmen and leaders last fall asking for 
bill
                consideration, but received no answer. 

                Through a spokesman, Assembly Speaker Jack Collins
                declined comment. 

                The spokesman, Chuck Lietgeb, said the speaker opposed
                the Democratic procedure because it's his practice to
                never allow a bill to skip the committee process, not
                because he opposes the bills. 

                "The rules are something he feels strongly about," he 
said.

                Lietgeb said it's up to the chairman of the Law and 
Public
                Safety Committee, Assemblyman James W. Holzapfel,
                R-Ocean, to explain why there hasn't been any movement
                on the bills before now. Holzapfel was out of the 
country
                Thursday. 

                Caucus members said they acted Thursday as a response
                to testimony offered the day before by former Attorney
                General Peter G. Verniero. 

                Before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Verniero said 
he
                could not recall details about key meetings, memos or
                documents dealing with racial profiling. 

                Verniero defended his department's response to racial
                profiling, but admitted he should have asked the state
                police harder questions sooner. 

                In April 1999, Verniero admitted state troopers were
                engaging in racial profiling in a report issued one 
year after
                two white troopers fired 11 shots at four unarmed 
minority
                men during a traffic stop on the turnpike. 

                Verniero's report and indictments against those two
                troopers for falsifying records were released just 
after he
                was nominated to the state Supreme Court by former 
Gov.
                Christie Whitman. 

It is good to hear of motion toward the re-establishment of Unity & 
Struggle.

Supporting the current plan to begin with a series of ideological 
pamphlets, supplemented by more frequent (e.g. bi-weekly) leaflets, 
toward establishing a network of production & distribution, we would 
also propose to publish larger (special) editions when conditions 
suggest broader interest.  

Specifically, we think that the developing organization toward the 
March on Trenton (16 May) to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police 
Brutality provides a unique (historic?), local opportunity to lend 
advanced revolutionary analysis to mass, democratic action, while 
simultaneously offering U&S a broad, if temporary, network of 
distribution.  That is, we could use U&S to promote the March, and use 
the March to promote U&S, without interrupting the current production 
plan.

Principally, our concern is to re-establish U&S, to regularize and 
expand its production.  We share its general anti-imperialist 
positions and goal of developing a national organization of 
revolutionaries.  We have criticisms and concerns, disagreements and 
differences, which we also agree would be best resolved through the 
practice of organizing the publication, &tc.

Our proposal targets a MayDay (1 May) Release. (10,000? copies-12? 
Pages-Sp/Eng).  Roughly, this is 2 weeks for submissions, 1 wk layout, 
1 wk printing, which we see as reasonable, assuming support.

Articles suggested are: analysis of the March (national oppression & 
self-determination�, hopefully by its Chair, Larry Hamm), a prominent 
Women's space (sex-oppression & self-determination�), analysis of 
gubenatorial election (peoples' war on the right, workers' party�), 
analysis of Education profiling in NJ (democratic revolution�), & 
throughout promoting ideological clarity and cultural revolution.

We think that the apparent inactivity of U&S reflects weakness in our 
theory & practice, that this also must be studied and corrected, 
leading to greater strength.

Revolutionaries Unite! Win the Advanced to Communism!

Cliff Smith
Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
732.214.8828
cliffsmith69@hotmail.com

Proposal toward Rectification around Peoples' Democracy, Against 
Imperialism

The world contradiction of the People vs. Imperialism calls us to 
organize the broadest democratic front, clearly stating the principles 
and class character of this front.

The spontaneously emerging peoples' struggle is threatened most 
greatly by its inability to distinguish its enemies from its allies.  
That is, the movement is too frequently tricked by its "leaders" into 
supporting positions which threaten it.  For example, Ralph Nader 
objectively strengthened imperialism's position, while claiming to 
represent a peoples', anti-corporate position.  This is because of the 
failure of revolutionaries to develop and promote a consistent, 
working-class analysis.

The People's Campaign developed from an anti-imperialist, democratic 
spirit, within the developing local movement.  The formalization of 
this spirit into organization is its achievement.  The PC, however, 
neglected to clarify this spirit with open, class-based principles.  
This is its failure.  At the moment, the PC, like the peoples' 
movement, is being pulled in opposite directions.  The crisis 
dialectic of danger and opportunity.

Because the  principal enemy was identified as the local Democratic 
Party organization, and not the imperialist class, the door was left 
open for imperialism's more dangerous representatives to maneuver 
within the  organization.  To manipulate rising dissent to objectively 
strengthen the enemy.  This manipulation was done by Republican Party 
operatives in conjunction with free-lance opportunists.  When 
challenged, the PC chose unity with imperialists over unity with 
revolutionaries. Which is the greater threat, "unprincipled criticism" 
or imperialist positions (intentional or not)?  The "left wing" or the 
"right"?

It is stated by some PC members that we are united  against the 
position "improve, don't break, imperialist political organization, 
&tc."  They state we are not united over whether this statement was an 
"out-of-context, unfortunate, na�ve, contrary-to-years-of-practice, 
mis-statement" to be nurturingly criticized (which, by the way, has 
never been done in any open way by those who claim to fault our 
"method"), or whether it was an intentional gesture, a sell-out, 
reflected by other statements and actions, to be exposed and attacked. 
 This is open to debate.  What is not open to debate is the fact that 
the position stands, it has not been withdrawn. While we can argue 
intentions, ultimately we must organize around positions.

How can the anti-imperialists rectify our division?  We propose first, 
that the united front formation must organize around stated 
principles.  Not petty-bourgeois "anti-Democrat" confusion, but 
working-class "anti-Imperialism" clarity.  Second, that we must also 
put forward our direction for the united front and campaigns.  That 
the objective is not, primarily, office$ and officer$, but the 
development of a national Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party, to, yes, 
break, not improve,  both imperialist political parties.  Finally, for 
anyone who genuinely faults our method against objectively imperialist 
positions, they can make no criticism of our approach until they also, 
genuinely bring forward and apply their "better", more "principled" 
method.

The people vs. imperialism
Unite, don't split.
Peoples' war on the right.
Build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party.

Cliff Smith
Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
30 March, 2001

Proposal toward Rectification around Peoples' Democracy, Against 
Imperialism

The world contradiction of the People vs. Imperialism calls us to 
organize the broadest democratic front, clearly stating the principles 
and class character of this front.

The spontaneously emerging peoples' struggle is threatened most 
greatly by its inability to distinguish its enemies from its allies.  
That is, the movement is too frequently tricked by its "leaders" into 
supporting positions which threaten it.  For example, Ralph Nader 
objectively strengthened imperialism's position, while claiming to 
represent a peoples', anti-corporate position.  This is because of the 
failure of revolutionaries to develop and promote a consistent, 
working-class analysis.

The People's Campaign developed from an anti-imperialist, democratic 
spirit, within the developing local movement.  The formalization of 
this spirit into organization is its achievement.  The PC, however, 
neglected to clarify this spirit with open, class-based principles.  
This is its failure.  At the moment, the PC, like the peoples' 
movement, is being pulled in opposite directions.  The crisis 
dialectic of danger and opportunity.

Because the  principal enemy was identified as the local Democratic 
Party organization, and not the imperialist class, the door was left 
open for imperialism's more dangerous representatives to maneuver 
within the  organization.  To manipulate rising dissent to objectively 
strengthen the enemy.  This manipulation was done by Republican Party 
operatives in conjunction with free-lance opportunists.  When 
challenged, the PC chose unity with imperialists over unity with 
revolutionaries. Which is the greater threat, "unprincipled criticism" 
or imperialist positions (intentional or not)?  The "left wing" or the 
"right"?

It is stated by some PC members that we are united  against the 
position "improve, don't break, imperialist political organization, 
&tc."  They state we are not united over whether this statement was an 
"out-of-context, unfortunate, na�ve, contrary-to-years-of-practice, 
mis-statement" to be nurturingly criticized (which, by the way, has 
never been done in any open way by those who claim to fault our 
"method"), or whether it was an intentional gesture, a sell-out, 
reflected by other statements and actions, to be exposed and attacked. 
 This is open to debate.  What is not open to debate is the fact that 
the position stands, it has not been withdrawn. While we can argue 
intentions, ultimately we must organize around positions.

How can the anti-imperialists rectify our division?  We propose first, 
that the united front formation must organize around stated 
principles.  Not petty-bourgeois "anti-Democrat" confusion, but 
working-class "anti-Imperialism" clarity.  Second, that we must also 
put forward our direction for the united front and campaigns.  That 
the objective is not, primarily, office$ and officer$, but the 
development of a national Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party, to, yes, 
break, not improve,  both imperialist political parties.  Finally, for 
anyone who genuinely faults our method against objectively imperialist 
positions, they can make no criticism of our approach until they also, 
genuinely bring forward and apply their "better", more "principled" 
method.

The people vs. imperialism
Unite, don't split.
Peoples' war on the right.
Build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party.

Cliff Smith
Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy
30 March, 2001

                Lawmakers say Verniero
                should resign 

                By JOHN P. McALPIN
                The Associated Press
                3/30/01 6:46 PM

                TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Saying his 13 hours of testimony
                this week did nothing to help end racial profiling or 
repair
                the state's "tarnished" reputation, a group of 
minority
                legislators asked Supreme Court Justice Peter G. 
Verniero
                to resign. 

                In a letter sent Friday, the Black and Latino Caucus 
called
                Verniero's responses to hundreds of questions "equally
                troubling" because he could not remember key details. 

                Verniero also should resign because he refused to 
provide
                documents two years ago and told lawmakers they were
                unavailable, the letter reads. Many of those records 
were
                released in November and are central to issues in the
                Senate Judiciary Committee's racial profiling 
hearings. 

                "Your testimony on Wednesday failed to bring a close 
to
                this ordeal. If anything, your evasive answers 
threaten to
                prolong the state's agony over racial profiling,"
                Assemblyman Joseph Charles, D-Hudson, wrote. 

                Verniero's lawyer, Robert Mintz, declined to comment 
on
                the request. 

                On Wednesday, committee members accused Verniero of
                "misleading" them two years ago during his Supreme 
Court
                confirmation hearings. 

                In May 1999, Verniero, then the attorney general, said 
his
                deputies and state police officials began collecting 
data on
                possible racial profiling a year before. 

                Committee chairman Sen. William L. Gormley, 
R-Atlantic,
                confronted Verniero at the end of Wednesday's marathon
                hearing and said he should return to explain himself 
at
                another session. 

                As of Friday, Verniero had not yet decided if he will 
appear
                again before the committee, Mintz said. 

                Throughout the hearing, Verniero repeatedly said he 
could
                not recall details about key meetings, memos or
                documents dealing with racial profiling. 

                Verniero defended his department's response to racial
                profiling, but admitted he should have asked the state
                police harder questions sooner. 

                In April 1999, Verniero admitted state troopers were
                engaging in racial profiling in a report issued one 
year after
                two white troopers fired 11 shots at four unarmed 
minority
                men during a traffic stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. 

                Verniero's report and indictments against those two
                troopers for falsifying records were released just 
after he
                was nominated to the state Supreme Court by former 
Gov.
                Christie Whitman. 

                The Black and Latino Caucus has 22 members. All but 
one
                are in the Assembly. 

                Caucus member Assemblyman William Payne, D-Essex,
                has said he plans to introduce a bill to impeach 
Verniero.
                On Thursday, Payne said he would wait for word from
                senators, especially those on the Judiciary committee,
                before proceeding to push his bill and recruit 
co-sponsors
                from both sides of the aisle. 

                Impeachment actions must begin in the Assembly

Yesterday, the 20-member Legislative Black and Latino Caucus called for
                     Verniero to resign, citing his "evasive answers" 
during Wednesday's
                     hearing and "inaction" on racial profiling. 

                     But Secretary of State DeForest "Buster" Soaries 
said while Verniero may
                     have been slow to address the problem, so was the 
rest of state
                     government in the wake of the 1996 decision in the 
"State vs. Soto" court
                     case, in which a judge found that troopers 
patrolling the Turnpike illegally
                     stopped motorists because of their race. 

                     "Name me another white politician in New Jersey 
for whom Soto was a
                     great wake-up call," said Soaries, who is black. 
"If Peter Verniero should
                     have known enough after Soto, why didn't the 
Legislature have hearings
                     after Soto?" 

                     Staff writer Brian Donohue contributed to this 
report. 

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YOU SUPPORT JIMMY MCGREEVEY FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY.
1.] DO YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORALLY WRONG ?
2.] DO YOU EVER PERSONALLY LOOK AT PORNOGRAPHY?
3.] IS RELIGION VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE?
4.] WOULD YOU LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WHILE THEY WERE
MARRIED ?
5.] DO YOU BELIEVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE  IS MORALLY WRONG ?
THEN WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR ???���

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
> YOU SUPPORT JIMMY MCGREEVEY FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY.
> 1.] DO YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORALLY WRONG ?
> 2.] DO YOU EVER PERSONALLY LOOK AT PORNOGRAPHY?
> 3.] IS RELIGION VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE?
> 4.] WOULD YOU LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WHILE THEY WERE
> MARRIED ?
> 5.] DO YOU BELIEVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE  IS MORALLY WRONG ?
> THEN WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR ???���

DINGBAT!

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
> YOU SUPPORT JIMMY MCGREEVEY FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY.
> 1.] DO YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORALLY WRONG ?
> 2.] DO YOU EVER PERSONALLY LOOK AT PORNOGRAPHY?
> 3.] IS RELIGION VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE?
> 4.] WOULD YOU LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WHILE THEY WERE
> MARRIED ?
> 5.] DO YOU BELIEVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE  IS MORALLY WRONG ?
> THEN WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR ???���

SOME OF YOU WANT ME DEFEND MY POSITION ON JIMMY MC GREEVEY.
MY THREE MAIN POINTS ARE THE FOLLOWINGS:
1.]MCGREEVEY'S TENURE AS MAYOR OF WOODBRIDGE IS MOST REMARKABLE FOR HIS
SKYROCKETING PROPERTY TAXES- DESPITE RECEIVING AN ADDITIONAL 40% IN
STATE AID, HE RAISED WOODBRIDGE PROPERTY BY 71%. WHEN MCGREEVEY TOOK
OFFICE AS MAYOR, THE MUNICIPALITY SHARE OF THE LOCAL PROPERTY  TAX RATE
WAS 62 CENTS PER $100 VALUATION OF PROPERTY. THE RATE TODAY IS $1.06.
2.]MCGREEVEY INCREASED WOODBRIDGE TOWNSHIP' DEBT BY $105 MILLION SINCE
1992- AN INCREASE OF 172%.
3.] AS A LEGISLATOR , JIMMY MCGREEVEYY CAST THE DECIDING VOTE ON JIMMY
FLORIO'S INCOME AND SALE TAX INCREASES. IN FACT MCGREEVEY SUPPORTED
EVERY ONE OF FLORIO'S $2.8 BILLION IN TAX INCREASES, INCLUDING AN
INCREASE IN THE GASOLINE TAX AS WELL AS CREATING NEW TAXES ON THINGS
LIKE TOILET PAPER AND SOAP.
ALL SERIOUS DEBATE ARE WELCOME. 
TRACY



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> YOU SUPPORT JIMMY MCGREEVEY FOR GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY.
> 1.] DO YOU BELIEVE HOMOSEXUALITY IS MORALLY WRONG ?
> 2.] DO YOU EVER PERSONALLY LOOK AT PORNOGRAPHY?
> 3.] IS RELIGION VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE?
> 4.] WOULD YOU LOOK DOWN ON SOMEONE WHO HAD AN AFFAIR WHILE THEY WERE
> MARRIED ?
> 5.] DO YOU BELIEVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE  IS MORALLY WRONG ?
> THEN WHO ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE FOR ???���
>

Yes, No, Yes, Yes, and a triple YES!

You make a convincing argument, and it's hard for me to really add to it.
Let me just say that it's about time we bring morality back to America.
Nowadays people have no respect for the law, their country, or for God, and
it is certainly the job of legislators to instill these very American things
back into society.  Just yesterday I saw someone walking down the street,
and she had green hair and a piece of metal coming out of her nose!  She
probably hasn't been to a Church since she was a child (if at all).

Out of those five points you listed, I think that the most important one is
number 5.  I think in order to curb this 'sex before marriage' business,
which is responsible for AIDS and ultimately leads to hellfire, we should
consider enacting several measures.  One is to expand the "Moral
Delinquency"  unit of police departments in New Jersey:  equip them with
rattan sticks and have them patrol by foot twenty-four seven, questioning
men and women walking together (who aren't related) and especially women who
walk alone.  We could call them "Guardians."

Just a suggestion to think about, tell me if it is too extreme.  Anyway,
keep up the good work!

In God,

Matt

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He's not a republican is one.  ;)  (Sorry, Frank, I just couldn't help
myself.)  *grin*

Erric Z.

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THIS IS FOR ERRIC L. ZDZCHOWSKI  
1.]WHO, I WONDER,WILL SET THE ADMISSION STANDARD?
2.]HOW WILL THE INTERNET ZONING CODE BE ENFORCED?
3.]WHAT QUALIFIES AS .XXX?
4.]DE SADE?
5.]PENETRATION?
6.]BIRTH CONTROL INFORMATION?
7.]GUIDES TO SAFE SEX?
8.]WHO DECIDES?
9.] THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD ?
10.]THE SAME PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS MORALLY WRONG?
11.]A 40 YEAR-OLD VIRGIN?



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"I just don't think it is accurate to describe these hearings as 
hearings on racial profiling. I view them as hearings on whether or 
not Peter Verniero lied," Soaries said.

star ledger
4/2/

home news tribune, sunday, 4/1

With its expanded partnership and broader base of support, Devco has 
become the visionary to ensure development occurs, said Robert F. 
Gamgort, J&J's vice president of corporate real estate and the vice 
chairman of Devco's board.
"(Devco's) role has changed somewhat, as I see it," said Gamgort. 
"Initially, Devco had to be the active developer. (Now) Devco has 
grown into more of a catalyst. By being that catalyst, they continue 
to stir the activity to make things happen for positive change."
By planting the seed, Devco can get a lot more accomplished than if
it did the development work itself, he said.
J&J executives, most notably John J. Heldrich, originally were the
key players of a small partnership to form Devco and New Brunswick 
Tomorrow in the mid-70's.
After a quarter century, the original revitalization leaders -- 
Heldrich, state Senator and former Mayor John A. Lynch, Civic League 
of Greater New Brunswick President C. Roy Epps, former J&J board 
Chairman Richard B. Sellars and the late Rutgers University President 
Edward J. Bloustein -- have passed the role onto a next generation of 
"new revitalizationists," Heldrich said last week.
Heldrich, who described himself as a coach available to offer advice, 
listed the new team as Paladino, Zoffinger, Cahill, the Cultural 
Center, a few J&J executives, Secretary of State DeForest B. "Buster" 
Soaries, Jr. and the Puerto Rican Action Board.

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Forum to Defeat Racist Profiling

Paul Robeson Cultural Center Wednesday April 4 6:30pm

speakers include:

Larry Hamm - Peoples' Organization for Progress, Newark

Linnie Mohammad - Minister Nation of Islam, Trenton

Jerusalam - local resident activist

Tom Degloma - New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign

Commemorate the anniversary of the assasignation of MLK Jr. at the
hands of U.S. white supremacist imperialist agents. Forum is to
raise consciousness of students and organizers in order to unite the
peoples' forces for the May 16 March on Trnton State House. Student
organizations must play a crucial role for this March to Defeat
Racist Profiling, Join the growing� statewide Coalition For Justice
and organize to defeat racist profiling.

newly established coalitionforjustice@egroups.com join up and encourage 
others as well to help the flow of networking and info sharing concerning 
May 16 march and for the future of CFJ, as we are committed to not just 
march but to Defeat Racist Profiling.

For more information or to get on board contact Joe Smith
can_bush@... 732.586.5535

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Subject: [nbpc] soaries joins j&j's "new revitalization team"...
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:56:19 -0000

home news tribune, sunday, 4/1

With its expanded partnership and broader base of support, Devco has
become the visionary to ensure development occurs, said Robert F.
Gamgort, J&J's vice president of corporate real estate and the vice
chairman of Devco's board.
"(Devco's) role has changed somewhat, as I see it," said Gamgort.
"Initially, Devco had to be the active developer. (Now) Devco has
grown into more of a catalyst. By being that catalyst, they continue
to stir the activity to make things happen for positive change."
By planting the seed, Devco can get a lot more accomplished than if
it did the development work itself, he said.
J&J executives, most notably John J. Heldrich, originally were the
key players of a small partnership to form Devco and New Brunswick
Tomorrow in the mid-70's.
After a quarter century, the original revitalization leaders --
Heldrich, state Senator and former Mayor John A. Lynch, Civic League
of Greater New Brunswick President C. Roy Epps, former J&J board
Chairman Richard B. Sellars and the late Rutgers University President
Edward J. Bloustein -- have passed the role onto a next generation of
"new revitalizationists," Heldrich said last week.
Heldrich, who described himself as a coach available to offer advice,
listed the new team as Paladino, Zoffinger, Cahill, the Cultural
Center, a few J&J executives, Secretary of State DeForest B. "Buster"
Soaries, Jr. and the Puerto Rican Action Board.



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                     Senators end six days of testimony on
                     racial profiling 

                     By JOHN P. McALPIN
                     The Associated Press
                     4/3/01 7:31 PM

                     TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Acting Gov. Donald T. 
DiFrancesco said he will
                     review a request by senators that he pressure 
state Supreme Court
                     Justice Peter G. Verniero to resign. 

                     Members of the state Senate Judiciary Committee 
presented DiFrancesco
                     with a letter Tuesday asking the acting governor 
to seek Verniero's
                     resignation. 

                     "You'll know in a day or two what my answer is," 
DiFrancesco said in an
                     interview on New Jersey 101.5 radio Tuesday night. 

                     DiFrancesco said he is reviewing materials given 
to him by committee
                     members and his staff is reviewing options. 

                     "Obviously, I am greatly concerned by much of what 
was characterized as
                     difficult testimony," DiFrancesco said. 

                     The acting governor met with senators for more 
than an hour following
                     the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings on 
racial profiling Tuesday. 

                     "I need to dwell on it. I need to review it with 
my lawyer, the attorney
                     general perhaps," DiFrancesco said, "and then 
reach my own
                     conclusions." 

                     The acting governor "listened" to a summary of 
testimony as well as the
                     "feelings" senators had after listening to key 
witnesses, state Sen. William
                     L. Gormley, R-Atlantic, said Tuesday. 

                     After the meeting, DiFrancesco refused to meet 
with reporters who
                     camped in his outer office for nearly two hours. 

                     The Senate Judiciary Committee ended its sixth day 
of hearings shortly
                     after 4 p.m. Committee members and aides then met 
privately before
                     walking over to DiFrancesco's office. 

                     Gormley, the committee chairman, was the only 
legislator to speak
                     publicly immediately after the hour-long meeting 
with the governor. 

                     "He listened," Gormley said. "He wants to make 
sure that we all work
                     together, Republicans and Democrats alike, to make 
sure New Jersey is a
                     state that becomes known for ending racial 
profiling." 

                     Tuesday's hearings ended after testimony by state 
police Superintendent
                     Carson Dunbar and Attorney General John J. Farmer 
Jr., who said racial
                     profiling still exists in New Jersey. 

                     Last week Verniero testified for nearly 13 hours 
and defended his actions
                     while he was attorney general. Gormley accused the 
former attorney
                     general of giving "misleading" answers to 
questions about profiling during
                     his confirmation hearings two years ago. 

                     Verniero said Monday he would not return to 
testify. 

                     Gormley repeatedly declined to discuss any request 
made by senators
                     that DiFrancesco ask Verniero to resign. 

                     "We discussed all aspects of the hearing. All 
aspects," Gormley said. 

                     In April 1999, Verniero became the first attorney 
general to admit publicly
                     that state troopers were engaging in racial 
profiling. Verniero's admission
                     came one year after two white troopers fired 11 
shots at four unarmed
                     minority men -- wounding three -- during a traffic 
stop near Trenton on the
                     New Jersey Turnpike. 

                    Time is money for arts trust 

                    04/03/01

                    BY PEGGY McGLONE
                    STAR-LEDGER STAFF

                    For a year, New Jersey's perennially under-
capitalized arts organizations
                    have been busily raising more than $15 million on 
the promise of state
                    matching funds. There's just one problem. 

                    The state hasn't matched any of it. 

                    Eight months after the much heralded New Jersey 
Cultural Trust was
                    created, the board of directors that will oversee 
the matching funding has
                    never met, and doesn't even have all its members 
yet. 

                    Last week, acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco named 
Judith Dawkins of
                    Rumson to the 15-member board, leaving two 
positions still open. The
                    remaining members -- including five representatives 
from state government
                    and seven private citizens -- can convene before 
the rest of the positions
                    are filled in order to adopt guidelines to make the 
trust functional. But no
                    meeting has been scheduled. 

                    The delay is causing anxiety among cultural 
leaders, who are watching the
                    months pass without action. It's costing them 
money, too, since the
                    matching funds could be earning interest totaling 
tens of thousands of
                    dollars. 

                    "The cultural trust is a gem of an idea," said 
Lawrence P. Goldman,
                    president and CEO of the New Jersey Performing Arts 
Center in Newark.
                    "Everyone is in favor of it. The governor when he 
was Senate president
                    was in favor of it, the Department of State, the 
arts council, certainly the
                    arts organizations are in favor of it. Let's get it 
moving." 

                    However, nobody in the Department of Cultural 
Affairs would discuss the
                    delay. Secretary of State DeForest (Buster) Soaries 
refused to be
                    interviewed, saying only in a statement that his 
office is "working to fulfill
                    the legislative requirements" of the trust. And 
leaders in the arts
                    community who met with state officials months ago 
have heard nothing of
                    late. 

                    Signed into law July 25, the New Jersey Cultural 
Trust is a public-private
                    partnership established to provide capital and 
endowment funds for the
                    state's arts, history and humanities organizations. 
Once the fund reaches
                    $20 million, the interest it generates will be 
distributed in annual grants to
                    help with construction, repairs and rainy-day 
funds. 

                    Anticipated to grow to $200 million by 2010, the 
trust calls for the state to
                    match two kinds of private donations: money given 
directly to the trust and
                    gifts made to individual organizations' endowment 
funds. 

                    Processing the first type, such as the $1 million 
gift made by the Geraldine
                    R. Dodge Foundation last July minutes after then-
Gov. Christie Whitman
                    signed the bill into law, is straightforward. After 
the private donation is
                    deposited in the trust fund, the state merely 
matches it dollar-for-dollar. 

                    The trust's current balance -- from the Dodge 
grant, the state's match and
                    interest earned since July -- is $2,067,212. 

                    Private donations to individual organizations -- 
the bulk of the donations,
                    to date -- are a little trickier. Upon verifying 
that a gift has been made, the
                    state is supposed to deposit an equal amount into 
the trust. Questions
                    about how the trust will handle multi-year gifts -- 
which accounting rules
                    mandate must be recorded in full the first year -- 
pledges, and planned
                    giving donations have yet to be resolved. 

                    Also, to encourage individual organizations to 
boost their own funds, the
                    law calls for the state to give the individual 
institutions 20 percent of the
                    match for gifts of $100,000 or more.

                    Details about these two-part matches have not been 
worked out, either.
                    For example, organizations do not know whether a 
$100,000 donation
                    paid over three years will count as a major gift, 
and thus be eligible for the
                    20 percent clause, or if it will be considered as 
three grants worth $33,000.
                    If the latter, the entire match will be deposited 
in the main fund. 

                    While progress in Trenton is stalled, cultural 
leaders are busy using the
                    trust to leverage private donations. 

                    Donald Edwards, vice president for institutional 
advancement for American
                    Boychoir in Princeton, said the trust has helped 
the school's $10 million
                    endowment campaign. He cited a recent $600,000 
grant as an example. 

                    "With that gift, which was to endow benefits for 
faculty and staff ... we
                    were able to tell donor that it would generate 
$120,000 of state money to
                    our endowment and that we would use it for the same 
purpose," said
                    Edwards. "There's no question that it motivated the 
donor." 

                    The Prudential Foundation in Newark was influenced 
by the new law when
                    it decided to grant $6.6 million for endowments to 
six Newark arts
                    organizations as part of its $20 million 125th 
anniversary fund. The grants
                    -- awarded and paid out last fall -- should 
generate an equal amount of
                    state funds from the Cultural Trust. Almost $5.3 
million would go into the
                    main fund, and the balance of $1.3 million would be 
shared by NJPAC,
                    the New Jersey Symphony Orchestra, the Newark 
Museum, the Newark
                    Community School of the Arts, WBGO and Aljira. 

                    If the matching funds on the Prudential gifts had 
been released in October
                    and invested with a 5 percent return, both the 
trust fund and individual
                    organizations would be $137,500 richer today. 

                    Arts officials admit they'd like the money in their 
accounts, but they say
                    they also need action in Trenton to show funders 
that the program will
                    work. 

                    "It's enormously helpful to be able to say to a 
potential donor 'Your gift will
                    be matched 20 cents on the dollar by the state 
cultural trust'," said
                    Goldman. "It's important that we be able to show 
donors this has actually
                    happened." 

                    Assemblyman Leonard Lance (R-Hunterdon), one of the 
sponsors of the
                    bill creating the Cultural Trust, said the lack of 
progress will be on his
                    agenda when the when the Secretary of State appears 
before him at
                    budget hearings next month to ask for the second 
$10 million installment
                    on the 10-year program. 

                    "Certainly I shall be asking questions," said 
Lance, who is vice chairman of
                    the appropriations committee. "It is imperative, in 
my judgment, to have the
                    trust constituted as soon as possible so private 
donors feel the state is
                    living up to its part of the bargain." 

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The Home News reported this morning that the court
tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to
city redevelopers who want to build an office on the
corner of Church and Spring Streets.  

We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city
council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on
this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk
about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city
redevelopment.

the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard
St.

Please let us know if you can attend by an email on
the egroups.

thanks
alyssa joy
steering commitee rep for the women's caucus  

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good work alyssa, there will definitely be a chance for the public to speak, 
plus bobby alverez, owner of tavern, will be there to question city's 
motives. it should be tied to the overall attack on arts and culture that is 
taking place in New Brunswick in order to gain support base for arguement.

joe


>From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite
>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
>The Home News reported this morning that the court
>tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to
>city redevelopers who want to build an office on the
>corner of Church and Spring Streets.
>
>We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city
>council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on
>this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk
>about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city
>redevelopment.
>
>the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard
>St.
>
>Please let us know if you can attend by an email on
>the egroups.
>
>thanks
>alyssa joy
>steering commitee rep for the women's caucus
>
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NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
Press Secretary
P.O. Box 131♦ New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ♦ 732/735-1342

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 4, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, 
a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their 
supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and 
socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:

	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) wholeheartedly 
supports the plan to bring a public-access cable to channel to New 
Brunswick residents after years of regrettable delay. Cablevision and 
New Brunswick's city government should move forward at the greatest 
possible speed and provide public cable access to city residents as 
soon as possible.

	The NBPC further urges that the public access channel be 
governed by a board directly elected by residents.  Such a board will 
ensure that the public access channel remains a forum for a diverse 
array of cultural, educational, and governmental programs reflective 
of the diversity present in New Brunswick.

	As a supporter of open government, the People's Campaign also 
urges that this cable channel be used to broadcast meetings of the 
city council and other government agencies.  Such broadcasts have 
been highly successful in other communities and result in the very 
positive step of people taking a more direct role in governing 
themselves.  Such broadcasts should be implemented at once in New 
Brunswick to make City government more accessible to all New 
Brunswick residents. 

	For these reasons, we emphatically call on New Brunswick 
Mayor James Cahill and City Council president Robert Recine to 
express clear and unequivocal support for the broadcasting of such 
meetings.



	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610

As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as 
to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' 
Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would 
seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members are 
likely unaware of the particulars.

(Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed 
meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & 
BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, 
imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have been 
shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from 
the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this 
domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a 
violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic & 
bourgeois concept is it.  Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice 
my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning 
people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and 
scientific way...remember WBAI?!

In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith


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From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400

name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion
should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the
nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the
peoples' enemies.

republicans in the garbage can!

joe


 >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@...>
 >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
 >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>,	"Tom
 >DeGloma" <tdegloma@...>,	<Xavier.hansen@...>
 >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
 >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400
 >
 >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at
 >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural matters
 >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all.
 >
 >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and Xavier
 >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree 
to
 >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did not
 >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to 
hear
 >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to
 >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not,
 >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues?
 >
 >Feel free to call on me any time.
 >
 >Peace,
 >
 >JoeMosley
 >745-2602
 >
 >
 >
 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: can_bush@...
 >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM
 >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
 >
 >
 >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must
 >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and
 >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist
 >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two
 >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are
 >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death?
 >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the
 >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order
 >to be embraced by the majority of people.
 >
 >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular -
 >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black
 >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every
 >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every
 >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers
 >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence
 >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...".
 >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against
 >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the
 >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the
 >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is
 >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the
 >united front against racist profiling develop.
 >
 >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow
 >particulars, which it is presently doing.   therefor it must be
 >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination
 >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of
 >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in
 >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive,
 >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans.
 >
 >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of
 >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though
 >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the
 >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or
 >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the
 >strenthening of the coalition.
 >
 >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no
 >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions,
 >comments are needed.
 >
 >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation
 >
 >joe
 >
 >
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                          as a campaign advisor to many candidates, 
including Jesse Jackson and Ralph Nader. He is
                          currently a consultant on democracy issues with 
the Institute for Policy Studies.

                          Sometime very soon, it is extremely likely that 
the major media are finally going to demonstrate what
                          most of us have known all along -- that the 
Florida vote count was a fraud; that President-Select
                          Bush really lost both that state and the nation; 
that the voice of the people was gagged.

                          The question is -- how shall we respond? How will 
we collectively
                          speak truth to power about "His Illegitimacy?"

                          Though the exact time is still undisclosed, in the 
coming days eight
                          news organizations will complete their exhaustive 
review of the
                          180,000 Florida "undervotes" and "overvotes." 
These news
                          organizations -- the New York Times, Associated 
Press, Wall
                          Street Journal, Washington Post, Palm Beach Post, 
St. Petersburg
                          Times, the Tribune Co. (which owns the Los Angeles 
Times), and
                          CNN -- are expected to release their results and 
initial analyses on
                          the same date.

                          We should note that this is not the partial and 
biased count recently
                          released by Judicial Watch, in an obvious attempt 
to undercut the
                          media analyses. Nor is this the Miami Herald/USA 
Today report,
                          whose release is imminent, which only deals with 
the "undervotes,"
                          though it may or may not lead to the same 
conclusion.

                          The media may well underplay the conclusion that 
Bush really lost,
                          since the current elite philosophy seems to be 
that it is important to
                          build up the sitting President's legitimacy. 
Nevertheless, many
                          expect that this major media review will 
demonstrate what all of us
                          already know in our hearts -- that the will of the 
people was
                          ignored, distorted, and subverted by the 
institutions that are
                          supposed to protect American democracy.

                          If so, it means that the man in the White House is 
not the people's
                          choice. It means that President-Select Bush really 
lost both the
                          popular vote and the electoral vote. It means that 
the most basic
                          right in a democracy -- the right to vote -- was 
corrupted by the
                          Scalia 5 on the Supreme Court, after a successful
                          disenfranchisement/disinformation/intimidation 
campaign carried
                          out by the Bush brothers and their allies in 
Florida.

                          It means, in a literal definition of the phrase, 
that the United States
                          of America has undergone a coup d'etat.

                          Compare the actual events of the Florida fiasco to 
this definition
                          from our 1976 American Heritage Dictionary: "coup 
d'etat -- a
                          sudden stroke of state policy involving deliberate 
violation of
                          constitutional forms by a group of persons in 
authority."

                          (No doubt future versions will include: "see also 
-- George W.
                          Bush, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Katherine 
Harris ... ")

                          Thus, a fundamental principle of the Declaration 
of Independence,
                          that governments derive "their just powers from 
the consent of the
                          governed," has been violated.

                          The people's consent has never been given. The 
current rulers did
                          not win a free and fair election, and so have no 
"just powers." They
                          received no mandate from the voters.

                          Not for tax cuts for the rich. Not for drilling on 
wildlife refuges.
                          Not for limiting freedom of choice. Not for 
infringing on workers'
                          health and safety. Not for right wing judges. Zip. 
Zilch. Nada.

                          This is not really about Al Gore, though he should 
have won. At the
                          core of this issue is an illegitimate re-ordering 
of America's national
                          priorities. President-Select Bush ducked away from 
much of the
                          platform he is currently attempting to impose on 
the American
                          people. (See, for example: CO2, arsenic, 
compassionate
                          conservative, bipartisanship, unifier not divider 
... ) In addition,
                          opinion polls make it clear that many of the 
policy positions which
                          Bush did campaign on were not supported by a 
majority of the
                          people. (See, for example, restricting freedom of 
choice, tax cuts
                          for the top 1 percent, big oil over baby caribou 
... )

                          Most importantly, Bush lost. He lost the national 
popular vote. And
                          we will soon have mainstream proof that he really 
lost Florida and
                          the electoral vote, too. This means he has no 
mandate.

                          Many of us, of course, believe that the inaccurate 
and sinister
                          purges of falsely-accused ex-felons by the 
Secretary of State's
                          office should be enough by itself to call the 
election's legitimacy
                          into question. Not to mention the roadblocks and 
intimidation aimed
                          at African American voters. Not to mention the 
"bourgeois riot,"
                          led by Congressional staff on the public payroll, 
that shut down the
                          vote count. Not to mention the unprecedented -- in 
every sense of
                          that word -- intervention of the Supreme Court. 
Not to mention the
                          failure by Scalia and Thomas to recuse themselves 
from the Court
                          deliberations, despite their obvious ethical 
conflicts-of-interest. Not
                          to mention that the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach 
clearly violated
                          the Florida statutes. Not to mention that most of 
the fancy
                          computer equipment went to Republican-leaning 
counties and
                          precincts. Not to mention that the original 
projection that Bush had
                          won was made by his cousin at FOX (slogan -- "FOX 
News:
                          We're just as fair as the Washington Times!"). Not 
to mention that
                          hand counts are not only the normal way to resolve 
election
                          disputes, they were the only way to count the 
votes for most of the
                          history of this nation (e.g., Washington, 
Jefferson, Lincoln,
                          Roosevelt, etc.)

                          Most significantly, since President-Select Bush 
holds office only because of a "deliberate violation of
                          constitutional forms by a group of persons in 
authority" (could there be a more precise description of
                          the Supreme Court's intervention in Bush v. 
Gore?), his mandate is missing.

                          Democracy requires the consent of the governed. 
That consent was never given. Our duty as
                          activists, as citizens, as voters -- as Americans 
-- is to oppose illegitimate rule, to speak truth to
                          power, to refuse to consent to public policy that 
has no mandate.
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Matt:

I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding 
egroups taken on Saturday.  In order to safeguard the good name of 
the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, 
in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark 
law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining, 
decided that:

1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a 
moderator screens all messages.  That list will be used for official 
NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters 
etc.  Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the 
moderator will be posted.

2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated.  
Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.

3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in 
substantially the form as this group where any person can post or 
read the messages.  This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any 
way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.  

The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists 
and what will become of the present list, is still under 
consideration.  This is not at all like the WBAI situation.  Ample 
forums for debate and discussion will remain.  However, by parsing 
this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties 
who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what 
kind of information they want to receive.  Likewise, onlookers will 
be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is 
members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC.

Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are 
doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I 
maintain my vote of dissent on this issue.  Legalese aside, it all amounts 
to about the same thing...

To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 
& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay 
abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third 
unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent 
token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences.  This 
model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official 
members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we must 
have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible organizational 
models rooted in existing community networks and institutions)

Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do 
with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you still 
willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a hundred 
flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?")  This legal 
bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure 
the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are 
diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.

I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's 
dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on 
the part of the NBPC.  Is this or is this not a united front?  & if so, 
should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions 
of all sort to be aired?  Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad 
argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we do 
our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along 
side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for 
themselves what ideas work best for them.  But if we continue to set the 
precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up 
like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI 
Radio.


----Original Message Follows----
From: Groovemeister007@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000

Matt:

I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding
egroups taken on Saturday.  In order to safeguard the good name of
the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining,
decided that:

1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a
moderator screens all messages.  That list will be used for official
NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters
etc.  Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the
moderator will be posted.

2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated.
Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.

3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
substantially the form as this group where any person can post or
read the messages.  This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any
way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.

The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists
and what will become of the present list, is still under
consideration.  This is not at all like the WBAI situation.  Ample
forums for debate and discussion will remain.  However, by parsing
this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties
who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what
kind of information they want to receive.  Likewise, onlookers will
be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is
members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC.





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curtis aspires to be the next deforest soaries! when soaries came on 
the seen following the potts murder, he was quoting malcolm x and other 
black power activists, now he is covering for wHitman and Verneiro for 
racist profiling, while at the same time jacking funds for black 
cultural threatres as the Secratary of State.  where is the coalition 
for police brutality and curtis' "working class" analysis of any of 
this? he still hasn't even taken back his initial proposal to work with 
J&J to solve community problems. the problem with the community is J&
J!!!! and its backward ethnic cleansing termed "re-development". but 
no, curtis "wants to work with them to solve a drug crisis", what kind 
of "working class" analysis is that? what about a march for jobs and a 
living wage, the right to an education, and childcare fascilities? 
those are the working class issues, not jumping into the lap of J&J. 
curtis tries to get it off that skunk soaries is a "religous leader", 
what kind of statement is that? what a leader! what's next, hitler is 
my religous leader... bang your dead! 

the only reasons the nbpc would want myself off this list is because 
they canoot argue me. otherwise they would smartly use the opportunity 
to prove my mistakes and teach everyone else valuble leasons about 
"working with republicans is actually the right thing to do..." -x & 
too many others
the other reason might be because of the peoples' campaigns ineptitude 
in the local struggle. run a camaign, that embraced those that dissed 
its own platform, and then barely get involved, if at all, in any 
ongoing community struggles. "ok everyone let's retreat to the 
suburbs." - x,  campaign geru

actions speak louder than words. why be worried about what i have to 
say, you all got everything under control... right?

joe


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as 
> to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples' 
> Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would 
> seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members are 
> likely unaware of the particulars.
> 
> (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed 
> meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe & 
> BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic, 
> imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have been 
> shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from 
> the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this 
> domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a 
> violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic & 
> bourgeois concept is it.  Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice 
> my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning 
> people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and 
> scientific way...remember WBAI?!
> 
> In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y...
> To: coalitionforjustice@y...
> Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400
> 
> name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion
> should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the
> nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the
> peoples' enemies.
> 
> republicans in the garbage can!
> 
> joe
> 
> 
>  >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@m...>
>  >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y...
>  >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@y...>,	"Tom
>  >DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...>,	<Xavier.hansen@a...>
>  >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400
>  >
>  >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at
>  >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural matters
>  >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all.
>  >
>  >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and Xavier
>  >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree 
> to
>  >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did not
>  >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to 
> hear
>  >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to
>  >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not,
>  >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues?
>  >
>  >Feel free to call on me any time.
>  >
>  >Peace,
>  >
>  >JoeMosley
>  >745-2602
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >----- Original Message -----
>  >From: can_bush@h...
>  >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM
>  >To: coalitionforjustice@y...
>  >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  >
>  >
>  >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must
>  >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and
>  >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist
>  >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two
>  >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are
>  >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death?
>  >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the
>  >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order
>  >to be embraced by the majority of people.
>  >
>  >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular -
>  >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black
>  >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every
>  >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every
>  >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers
>  >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence
>  >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...".
>  >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against
>  >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the
>  >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the
>  >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is
>  >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the
>  >united front against racist profiling develop.
>  >
>  >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow
>  >particulars, which it is presently doing.   therefor it must be
>  >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination
>  >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of
>  >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in
>  >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive,
>  >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans.
>  >
>  >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of
>  >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though
>  >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the
>  >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or
>  >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the
>  >strenthening of the coalition.
>  >
>  >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no
>  >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions,
>  >comments are needed.
>  >
>  >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation
>  >
>  >joe
>  >
>  >
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a new topic to refresh our brains...

dump the revolutionaries and keep the republicans, let me guess... 
xavier thought it up. "i motion that cliff, joe, tami, nikki, jayson, 
jr., and all others associated with the working class community must 
move to highland park and register republican to prove their commitment 
to the nbpc." -x

 "but the republicans have money and money organizes people, i mean 
just look, they won the president election they must be terrific. i can 
even say it in spanish. i move that we drop the slogan of community 
control and embrace compassionate conservatism." - x

i'm with matt, i vote against the proposal. what say you now, mr. 
safeguarder flavio? wait, can you explain the advantages once more?

joe 


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
> Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are 
> doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I 
> maintain my vote of dissent on this issue.  Legalese aside, it all amounts 
> to about the same thing...
> 
> To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 
> & 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay 
> abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third 
> unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent 
> token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences.  This 
> model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official 
> members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we must 
> have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible organizational 
> models rooted in existing community networks and institutions)
> 
> Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do 
> with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you still 
> willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a hundred 
> flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?")  This legal 
> bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure 
> the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are 
> diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.
> 
> I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's 
> dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on 
> the part of the NBPC.  Is this or is this not a united front?  & if so, 
> should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions 
> of all sort to be aired?  Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad 
> argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we do 
> our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along 
> side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for 
> themselves what ideas work best for them.  But if we continue to set the 
> precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up 
> like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI 
> Radio.
> 
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Groovemeister007@y...
> Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups
> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
> 
> Matt:
> 
> I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding
> egroups taken on Saturday.  In order to safeguard the good name of
> the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
> in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
> law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining,
> decided that:
> 
> 1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a
> moderator screens all messages.  That list will be used for official
> NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters
> etc.  Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the
> moderator will be posted.
> 
> 2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated.
> Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.
> 
> 3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
> substantially the form as this group where any person can post or
> read the messages.  This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any
> way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
> 
> The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists
> and what will become of the present list, is still under
> consideration.  This is not at all like the WBAI situation.  Ample
> forums for debate and discussion will remain.  However, by parsing
> this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties
> who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what
> kind of information they want to receive.  Likewise, onlookers will
> be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is
> members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC.
> 
> 
> 
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All,

It appears the special NBH&RA meeting will be Tuesday at 6:30 pm at the 
community room over at Schwartz/Robeson (37 Van Dyke Ave.) Official posting 
will be 48 hours in advance.

It is a special meeting to discuss the transfer of $4.1 million dollars of 
NBH&RA property to an LLC where we will hold a fraction of a percent of 
ownership. The numbers given at the last meeting was approximately .1%.

Clearly, the NBH&RA will lose much control over the land and in turn it will 
be controlled by a private entity. The ramifications to this decision are 
many and do not bode well for developing a "livable" city. 

So please come out to ask what is going on.

Frank Bright
249-7201

Matthew,

I respect the point you are trying to make with this post. However, I feel 
strongly that you can't make such sharp judgement on the decisions made at 
Campaign general meetings (in this case re: participation in the egroups) 
when you were entirely absent from the debate. I don't know who gave you a 
report of what went down, but I disagree with your characterization of what 
happened.

to clarify, the decision was to change the way that the egroup operates so 
that only members of the Campaign can make posts. as you know, the 
guidelines for becoming a member of the Campaign are extremely broad. This 
decision was discussed at length, and stemmed from many people's discontent 
with how the egroup has degenerated. I have heard from many people that they 
don't feel comfortable with the tone of the discussions a lot of the time, 
and they don't feel comfortable to make posts for fear of being attacked.

Regardless of your feelings on this (and we should talk about this), the 
vote was taken based on substantial debate on the matter. Frankly, I dont 
think that the decision was ideal (I myself led the proposal). but it is an 
immediate attempt to fix a problem that was actually inhibiting 
communication for the majority. this policy is not set in stone. i really 
want to hear what other people think about the state of this egroup.

Anyway, I think you need to participate yourself matt in these meetings and 
discussions so that you know exactly where people are at. I'm afraid that 
there's a lot of miscommunication and misinformation being shared. i'm not 
sure where the "intellectual property" argument comes from. I also didn't 
know that you were "concerned" about BoL's expulsion. Am I right to assume 
that you felt that way when it happened back in May (i think?)?

also in unity,
Kristina


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:34:06
>
>As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear as
>to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples'
>Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it would
>seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members 
>are
>likely unaware of the particulars.
>
>(Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed
>meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe &
>BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic,
>imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have 
>been
>shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them from
>the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this
>domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a
>violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic &
>bourgeois concept is it.  Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to voice
>my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when banning
>people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent and
>scientific way...remember WBAI?!
>
>In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400
>
>name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the discussion
>should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the
>nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the
>peoples' enemies.
>
>republicans in the garbage can!
>
>joe
>
>
>  >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@...>
>  >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>  >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>,	"Tom
>  >DeGloma" <tdegloma@...>,	<Xavier.hansen@...>
>  >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400
>  >
>  >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at
>  >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural 
>matters
>  >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all.
>  >
>  >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and 
>Xavier
>  >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you agree
>to
>  >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did 
>not
>  >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to
>hear
>  >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to
>  >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not,
>  >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or issues?
>  >
>  >Feel free to call on me any time.
>  >
>  >Peace,
>  >
>  >JoeMosley
>  >745-2602
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >----- Original Message -----
>  >From: can_bush@...
>  >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM
>  >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>  >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  >
>  >
>  >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must
>  >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and
>  >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist
>  >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two
>  >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are
>  >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death?
>  >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the
>  >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order
>  >to be embraced by the majority of people.
>  >
>  >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular -
>  >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black
>  >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every
>  >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every
>  >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers
>  >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence
>  >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...".
>  >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against
>  >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the
>  >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the
>  >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is
>  >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the
>  >united front against racist profiling develop.
>  >
>  >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow
>  >particulars, which it is presently doing.   therefor it must be
>  >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination
>  >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of
>  >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in
>  >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive,
>  >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans.
>  >
>  >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of
>  >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though
>  >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the
>  >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or
>  >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the
>  >strenthening of the coalition.
>  >
>  >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no
>  >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions,
>  >comments are needed.
>  >
>  >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation
>  >
>  >joe
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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Thursday, April 12, at 7 PM....TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!

The annual protest against gender violence and celebration of women's power
is returning to Rutgers next week! Women gather at Voorhees at 7 PM for
speakers and performances, followed by the famous march down George Street,
College Avenue, Hamilton, and Mine Street to Brower Commons. Women and men
will meet at Brower at 10 PM for speakers and open mic!

We are having one more planning meeting--this coming Monday, at 9:30 PM, in
the Women's Center at the DCC--come if you're interested! In addition,
T-shirts will be sold at all dining halls next week, as well as at the event
itself. They are $10 and work to support TBTN.

This event is *always* important and memorable--hope to see everyone there!

-charlotte


Charlotte L. Kates****ckates@...****clkates@...
             http://www.offlines.org/-Freedom from Scientology
 http://members.nbci.com/justinusa/-JUSTIN: Justice International
    Practice organized resistance and conscious acts of solidarity!

TRUTH IS TRUTH. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN[XAIVER, TOM, MANY
OTHERS WHOSE NAMES WILL NOT MENTION] HAVE TREATED  ME LIKE A COMMON
CRIMINAL OR WOUNDED ANIMAL. JOE SMITH, CLIFF SMITH, NIKKI, TAMARA,
ZORFIA, AND FRANK BRIGHT KEEP INFORM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENING IN THE
COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. X , TOM AND KEITH NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT THE
LISTSERVE . IT WAS ZOFIA AND FRANK BRIGHT. ALL IN ALL, LEADERSHIP OF
PEOPLE CAMPAIGN NEED TO STOP BEING LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, AND LAZY
GLUTTONS. 

TRACY FORD



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although criticism of the nbpc leadership needs to be put forward and even 
embraced by the nbpc, your motives to build up a broad republican base is 
much more dangerous to the NB community than how the nbpc treats me. the 
crazy thing is - is that the nbpc treats me like they do, which in turn 
helps you build your republican base. but i will not join in your criticism 
of them, even if it is correct. i would rather just argue the same criticism 
in order to put forward the demand of Community Control.

revolutinaries unite! republicans in the garbage can!

joe


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:26:09 -0400 (EDT)
>
>TRUTH IS TRUTH. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN[XAIVER, TOM, MANY
>OTHERS WHOSE NAMES WILL NOT MENTION] HAVE TREATED  ME LIKE A COMMON
>CRIMINAL OR WOUNDED ANIMAL. JOE SMITH, CLIFF SMITH, NIKKI, TAMARA,
>ZORFIA, AND FRANK BRIGHT KEEP INFORM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENING IN THE
>COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. X , TOM AND KEITH NEVER TOLD ME ABOUT THE
>LISTSERVE . IT WAS ZOFIA AND FRANK BRIGHT. ALL IN ALL, LEADERSHIP OF
>PEOPLE CAMPAIGN NEED TO STOP BEING LIARS, EVIL BEASTS, AND LAZY
>GLUTTONS.
>
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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I AM BAPTIST MINISTER AND ACTIVE REPUBLICAN WHO CARRIED OUT MY RELIGIOUS
AND BLACK NATIONALIST ACTIVITIES. I SPEAK OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS. THE
LEADERSHIP  OF PEOPLE CAMPAIGN CRIMES OF KEEPING ME OPPRESSED, DEPRIVED
AND IGNORANT IS TRUE. TRUTH IS TRUTH. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.
WHAT COULD MAKE YOU DOUBT THE TRUTH OTHER THAN YOUR OWN WEAK SELF? IF
YOU ONCE BELIEVED THE TRUTH, AND YOU ARE BEGINNING TO DOUBT THE TRUTH,
THE YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE TRUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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I thought people may be interested in reading Corzine's latest position on 
the DLC and the Democratic party in general...

The Nation -
COMMENT | April 16, 2001

A Time To Be Bold
by JON CORZINE

In recent months, as a newly elected senator, I have had to decide whether 
to join the Democratic Leadership Council. I have chosen not to because 
while I shared its founding purpose, which was to frame a successful 
response to President Reagan's efforts to portray Democrats as the party of 
"tax and spend," social engineering and failed personal responsibility, I 
believe that purpose has been largely accomplished.

Today, I believe that it is vital for Democrats to stand up for a sharply 
defined progressive agenda--one that is committed to fighting for practical 
and progressive policies for working families and America's middle 
class--even when that means challenging powerful interests and the status 
quo. I am absolutely convinced that, standing on the foundation of fiscal 
stability that Democrats have built and to which the DLC contributed, we now 
have to fight for our convictions. If we begin to negotiate from the middle, 
the end result inevitably takes us to the right of where I believe our 
nation should be.

Nothing is more relevant to this point than today's debate over the Bush tax 
cut proposal. Democrats must remain firmly opposed to this budget-busting 
plan, which provides disproportionate benefits for the richest 1 percent of 
our population. It is relevant and essential to our argument that this tax 
cut is not only unfocused and poorly timed but also unfair. In fact, if we 
yield on fairness before the debate begins, we forfeit our fundamental 
ground. That is one reason I have proposed a tax cut that gives an immediate 
break to everyone equally and is targeted toward working families.

Moreover, the DLC has not convinced me that we should turn away from 
advocating an activist government--one that, for example, sees healthcare as 
a basic right for all Americans. And while compromise is an acceptable end, 
too much of it too soon has led to a paralysis on fundamental concerns such 
as healthcare, gun safety, the environment and educational opportunity.

The critical point to be made by progressives in our national debate is 
this: While there are programs that have failed and should be reformed or 
eliminated, proactive government has often succeeded. An activist government 
was a driving force in the prosperity of the 1990s, as well as in providing 
our historic safety net, including Social Security, Medicare and Head Start. 
An activist government invested in the development of the Internet and the 
space program and spurred today's technological revolution. It was 
government investment that built our highways, air transit system and much 
of our communications network. And the list goes on. Without progressive 
leadership, would segregation have been outlawed? Would women have achieved 
as much access as they now have to equal rights? The pressure for 
advancement came from grassroots progressives. That said, reform and 
progress required our government to respond and lead. We're still far from 
the ideal, as racial profiling and unequal incomes for women and minorities 
attest. There are no African-American or Latino senators, but at least there 
are thirteen women senators--surely not enough, but more than there have 
ever been before. The lesson of history is clear: Equal rights for all 
depend on public action and so do equal pay, worker safety and retirement 
security. The barriers to opportunity for all don't just fall on their own.

Today, the progressive agenda must address the great unfinished 
challenges--for women, for middle-class families, for minorities and the 
poor. It's a hopeful agenda rooted in ideas and our ideals. As I put it in 
my Senate campaign, "Everyone ought to have the same access to the American 
promise I've had." America must be a society of equal opportunity and equal 
protection before the law. So I believe the progressive agenda of our party 
is more important than ever. And the principle that should guide us is 
clear: While we can't achieve equal outcomes, we can and must assure equal 
opportunity.

We also have to articulate the truth that advancing social and economic 
justice advances everyone's prosperity. We need to challenge the special 
interests that would limit the rights of labor and the opportunities of 
women and minorities, because we need all the talents of all our people to 
achieve maximum productivity and growth. We need to challenge the health 
insurance industry and finally win the battle for universal access to 
healthcare, because it is morally right and economically rational. Just 
because conservatives have demonized the term "universal healthcare" we 
should not walk away from that battle for the sake of a calculated centrism 
that splits the difference between right and wrong.

When I was a candidate, the polls said that the majority of New Jersey 
voters disagreed with my opposition to the death penalty. I'm grateful the 
voters respected that I said what I believed even when it wasn't popular. As 
progressives, we must be ready to do that. Most of the progressive 
agenda--healthcare, the environment, gun safety, a progressive tax policy-- 
reflects the values and the ideals of the majority of our people. They will 
vote for our agenda if we present it in practical terms and fight for it.

So while I respect the contribution of the DLC and while I respect its 
leaders, I'm not ready to join. The answer to "compassionate conservatism" 
isn't timid progressivism. It's a real commitment to equal opportunity, to 
fiscal responsibility and a fair society. We can and must be a party with 
the courage to stand tall for our beliefs because that's how we will be able 
to win as the party of the people.

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				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
				Press Secretary
				P.O. Box 131♦ New Brunswick, NJ 08903 
♦ 732/735-1342



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER

NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign, 
a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their 
supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and 
socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:

	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes 
the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate 
is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter 
Verniero. 

	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and 
brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate 
crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe 
punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a 
blind eye to such acts.

	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with 
those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee 
has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice 
Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police 
and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.

	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the 
New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice 
Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from 
the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.

	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed 
to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the 
need for community control over police is now more acute than ever. 
NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that 
community control, including democratically elected civilian police 
review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of 
racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.

	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already 
advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are good 
conscience, to support these efforts.

	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610

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>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:19:47 -0400
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Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??


>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
>
>				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
>				Press Secretary
>				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
>? 732/735-1342
>
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign,
>a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
>supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and
>socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
>
>	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
>the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate
>is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
>Verniero.
>
>	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
>brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate
>crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
>punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a
>blind eye to such acts.
>
>	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
>those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee
>has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice
>Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police
>and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
>
>	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
>New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice
>Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from
>the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
>
>	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
>to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the
>need for community control over police is now more acute than ever.
>NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
>community control, including democratically elected civilian police
>review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of
>racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
>
>	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
>advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are good
>conscience, to support these efforts.
>
>	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
>
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From: Julie Poulos
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT)

Matthew,
I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity
should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking
at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists.
First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words
can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where
individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints,
viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with
words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument
would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the
existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument,
one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or
not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within
NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved
through practice.
As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a
point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me.
As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has
responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with
their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine &
J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF
UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to
stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to
the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the
people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated
by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match
moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if
they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks.
I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their
child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming
environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the
People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it
is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a
spirit of respect and unity.
Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of
Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not
be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas
as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post
such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign.
In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me,
Julie
PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you
because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the
individual if we are replying to an individual.
--- Matthew Smith wrote:
>Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are 
>doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I 
>maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts 
>to about the same thing...
>
>To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1 
>& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay
>
>abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third 
>unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent 
>token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This 
>model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official 
>members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we 
>must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible 
>organizational models rooted in existing community networks and 
>institutions)
>
>Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do 
>with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you 
>still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a 
>hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This 
>legal
>
>bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure 
>the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are 
>diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.
>
>I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's 
>dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on 
>the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so, 
>should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions 
>of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad 
>argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we 
>do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along 
>side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for 
>themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the 
>precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up 
>like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI 
>Radio.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com 
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
>
>Matt:
>
>I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups 
>taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New Brunswick 
>People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with 
>principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, with 
>two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that:
>
>1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator 
>screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC 
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>messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and 
>presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
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Joe,

As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced
of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not heard
a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.

The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about
reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came up, I
would be against both of those lines.

As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation."  I
reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue.

In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a
press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both
theory and practice?

Jim


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> 
> 
> >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> >
> >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> >				Press Secretary
> >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> >? 732/735-1342
> >
> >
> >
> >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
> >
> >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> >
> >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
Campaign,
> >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities
and
> >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> >
> >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
Senate
> >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> >Verniero.
> >
> >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a
hate
> >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a
> >blind eye to such acts.
> >
> >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee
> >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice
> >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
police
> >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> >
> >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice
> >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators
from
> >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> >
> >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings,
the
> >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever.
> >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> >community control, including democratically elected civilian police
> >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of
> >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> >
> >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
good
> >conscience, to support these efforts.
> >
> >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
> >
> >-30-
> >
> >
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Text of DiFrancesco statement about Verniero 
The Associated Press
4/5/01 4:41 PM


Text of statement by Acting Governor Donald DiFrancesco calling for 
resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero: 


"The foundation of our democracy is respect for the law and there is 
no higher law of this land than our Constitution. Our Constitution 
very clearly prescribes that the Senate shall have the right to 
exercise advice and consent concerning appointees to various state 
positions including nominees to the state Supreme Court. 

"For those of us who have been honored to serve in the state Senate, 
we believe that it is not just our right, but our responsibility to 
review thoroughly the nominations submitted for our consideration. As 
Senators, we have the responsibility to determine if a nominee is not 
only qualified, but has conducted him or herself in a manner 
reflective of the high office to which they have been nominated. 

"Four months ago, I directed the Senate Judiciary Committee to 
initiate a review of the circumstances and documents available 
concerning racial profiling. As part of that review they requested 
and with my consent retained Michael Chertoff as a special counsel 
for the committee. Mr. Chertoff's credentials are well known and his 
record speaks for itself. The committee examined 100,000 pages of 
documents, interviewed dozens of people, and conducted lengthy public 
hearings. By almost any measure, they have been very thorough. I want 
to thank the members of the committee for their hard work. 

"Yesterday, the members of that committee, based on the findings of 
their review, called for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice 
Peter Verniero. I know that they did not come to this conclusion 
lightly. This is a very serious matter and one that deserves and 
requires very serious and careful consideration. 

"Like many, I have followed this process through press accounts and 
news stories. But, I've also had the benefit of discussing the issue 
directly with the committee members and have spent the past few days 
reviewing this matter. 

"Having done so, I come to the conclusion that even if we give 
Justice Verniero every benefit of doubt, it is still clear that his 
original testimony withheld or misrepresented important information 
thereby misleading members of the state Senate. 

"Every nominee presented to the state Senate has an obligation to be 
completely forthright and open. Preserving the integrity of the 
process demands strict adherence to this. When a nominee fails to do 
so, he not only demeans himself, but the process, its integrity and, 
perhaps most importantly, public confidence in the institutions of 
our government. We cannot allow that to happen. 

"Justice Verniero has a long history in state government. He was a 
Chief Counsel, a Chief of Staff, and an Attorney General. These 
positions gave him broad experience with the confirmation process and 
the requirement that nominees be forthright, credible, and sincere. 
These positions gave him a deep understanding of the need to honor 
and protect the integrity of the process. 

"In this case I believe that the integrity of the process was 
violated and that Senators acted on the nomination without certain 
facts and information material to their deliberations. Accordingly, I 
have called Justice Verniero and asked for his resignation. 

"Clearly, if the information known now about the status of the 
inquiry into racial profiling from 1994 to 1999 were known then, many 
Senators, including me, would not have supported the Verniero 
nomination. 

"The record indicates that Justice Verniero knew, or at least should 
have known, that racial profiling was real, not imagined, long before 
he acknowledged it. He was privy to statistical data dating back as 
early as 1994. 

"It indicates that he withheld information relevant to profiling from 
the Justice Department. And it clearly demonstrates that he was less 
than forthright and open with the Judiciary Committee during his 
confirmation hearings. 

"For example, when asked during his confirmation by Senator Zane 
about the Justice Department's investigation, Justice Verniero did 
not disclose that he had already received a letter from them 
indicating that they had concluded their review and planned to file a 
civil rights suit. Instead, he characterized their actions as only a 
procedural step. 

"If Justice Verniero does not resign, I will ask my colleagues in the 
Senate to consider a resolution of censure. As the Senate President, 
I have an obligation to protect the institution and our role in the 
nominating process. It is absolutely appropriate for the Senate to 
condemn a nominee who violates our trust by providing anything less 
that full and complete testimony. This action is intended to send a 
message to Justice Verniero and to any future nominee who would 
consider anything less than absolute forthrightness. 

"This action does not interfere with, preclude or rule out any 
additional actions such as impeachment. A resolution of censure is 
meant only to protect the institutional integrity of the Senate as it 
relates to our role in the appointments process. 

"Let me go still further by saying that if I am governor and Justice 
Verniero becomes eligible for lifetime tenure, I will not reappoint 
Justice Verniero to the Supreme Court. 

"Some have called from Justice Verniero's impeachment. Again, we must 
turn to our constitution and recognize that impeachment is a question 
for the General Assembly. Only the Assembly is vested with the 
constitutional authority to determine if Justice Verniero's conduct 
meets the legal standards required in order to pass articles of 
impeachment. If they decide that it does, I may be called upon to 
preside over a trial in the Senate, serve as a trier of fact, and 
render judgment on the specific charges. This process is set up to 
ensure fairness and prevent any one body from serving as both judge 
and jury. Accordingly, to preserve the integrity of that process, I 
will refrain from any additional comment on impeachment until the 
Assembly takes whatever action they deem appropriate. 

"But, when we discuss a member of the judiciary, and particularly a 
member of the Supreme Court, we should expect not just compliance 
with the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law, the spirit of 
the institutions and the intent of our constitution. 

"This is a very sad and unfortunate day for New Jersey. I take no 
pleasure in seeking Justice Verniero's resignation. However, we have 
at stake the integrity of our government and the confidence of our 
citizens. Our Supreme Court has a well-deserved reputation for 
excellence. As long as Justice Verniero sits on that court, it will 
enjoy a reputation less than it is worthy of. 

"Citizens look to our courts as the final arbiter of fact and 
fairness. When a nominee fails to be completely forthright and open 
with the Senate, that undermines confidence in the process. When a 
member of the Supreme Court is viewed as having exercised his 
authority as Attorney General in a way that ignored or concealed 
certain facts, that undermines confidence in him. When those facts 
demonstrate that our citizens are not receiving equal treatment under 
the law that undermines confidence in our system. 

"Racial profiling is a blight on this state and on the honest, hard 
working men and women of law enforcement who have dedicated their 
lives to protecting us. When I authorized this review by the Senate 
Judiciary Committee, my hope was that the process would lead us 
toward steps to eradicate the evils of racial profiling and heal the 
wounds that it has created. I still hope that. 

"We've taken a number of steps in that direction already video 
camera's in cars, enhanced Trooper training and better data 
collection - and I want to commend the state troopers and their 
leaders for the good work that they've done. But all of us know that 
more should and must be done. We should not rest until we are certain 
that racial profiling has been erased. 

"I look forward to receiving what I consider to be the most important 
aspect of the Judiciary Committee's work their recommendations on 
additional steps to end racial profiling. 

"I know that the Legislature's Black and Latino Caucus has proposed 
legislation to right his wrong and I will consider those 
recommendations as well. We must all work together to cure this ill. 
Profiling may be directed at only a few groups, but it affects every 
one of us. None of us should rest until it has been stopped once and 
for all." 

Hey folks- the Court Tavern has a long and storied history of struggling and 
against the grain of the NB Machine and for positive culture, and so far its 
been survival...for decades, they have built up networks of local 
progressive artists and activism.  My advice is to contact Bobby and ask him 
what sort of help they need...and look to bring the Court on board the 
broader struggle against this gentrification by talking it up with the 
regulars.  But approached it in an organized way (as opposed to hald a dozen 
people running to him with a dozen plans for action) so that Bobby & Co. 
feels that by working with us it will better their chance for continued 
survival rather than feeling that their establishment will be jeopordized 
further, as has happened in the past.  It's a great opportunity to bridge a 
gap between what is left of the more passive progressive/artistic NB 
community & the working class neighborhoods...

"They'll damn sure feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat...when 
the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
-the late & timeless Mark Bradely, NB singer/songwriter

Matthew


----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:53:35 -0400

good work alyssa, there will definitely be a chance for the public to speak,
plus bobby alverez, owner of tavern, will be there to question city's
motives. it should be tied to the overall attack on arts and culture that is
taking place in New Brunswick in order to gain support base for arguement.

joe


 >From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...>
 >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite
 >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
 >
 >The Home News reported this morning that the court
 >tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to
 >city redevelopers who want to build an office on the
 >corner of Church and Spring Streets.
 >
 >We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city
 >council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on
 >this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk
 >about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city
 >redevelopment.
 >
 >the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard
 >St.
 >
 >Please let us know if you can attend by an email on
 >the egroups.
 >
 >thanks
 >alyssa joy
 >steering commitee rep for the women's caucus
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To Kris, Julie, all-

(this may be lengthy, but there are alot of issue at hand, and I will try to 
address them concisely.)

1. So far nobody has presented a different version of the vote (to ban 
certain people from posting on NBPC egoup list)than what I was told by 
Keith.  To change the way the group operates in order that only official 
NBPC members can participate is the same as removing non-members because 
they present disagreeable arguments.  Flavio clearly stated his argument in 
favor of bourgeois intellectual property-rights on this list as a 
justification for the proposed WBAI-like bannings.

2. To Julie: posting an opinion on an allegedly open and democratic forum 
sponsored by the NBPC is not at all the same as posting a fraudulent flyer 
in the name of the organization.  I agree that ultimately this debate must 
be resolved in practice--but the "practice" of putting the kabash on debate 
is a bad start.  Hey look- we are telling BOL/SWORD that Curtis is not the 
main enemy, though they treat him as such.  But neither can NBPC treat 
BOL/SWORD like the main enemy and take away their right to be heard.  As a 
matter of fact, they are doing alot of interesting work with the Coalition 
for Justice, for instance, around the profiling issue that the NBPC ought to 
unite with.  But how can we if NBPC treats them like they treat Curtis?  I 
don't see any other way out of this and towards reconciliation than to lead 
by example.  Which leads me to:

3. Kris: yes, I have been growing increasingly uneasy about the expulsions 
of BOL members, as what I am witnessing is that the antagonism is growing 
sharper as a result, rather than leading towards any resolution.  BOL put 
out unnecessarily antagonistic public positions against Curtis, and my 
response to them was that they ought to have taken their criticism of his 
statements to him first, to the organization second.  If they had done so, 
then based on my experience with Curtis, he would have been open to 
listening & learning from their point of view.  Unfortunately they did not 
do this, backing both him and themselves into opposite corners.  It seems 
now that the NBPC exacerbated the situation by repeating BOL's mistake (!) 
by portraying BOL as the main enemy & booting their entire 
membership--rather than setting an example, perhaps by arranging the sort of 
sit down meeting to confront the situation with all parties on hand, as Joe 
Mosely has graciously offered to do.  One way or another, we are going to 
have to learn to resolve these splits if there is to be a true united front, 
at least in NB.  You can play hit the gopher till the moon turns blue and 
it'll keep popping up again.

Incidentally, Julie, I am not at all convinced by the justification that the 
split forced by X & co. in NJFO was a result of heated debate keeping new 
members away.  I have been with NJFO since almost the beginning and have 
seen it go through a number transformations, splits, and 
reunifications...but at no time did its membership swell to meet the ever 
anticipated decension of NB masses upon us (!) or beyond a small group of 
more or less committed people.  There will always be heated debate, and 
especially when it matters, such as in addressing the meriad of yet 
unanswered questions and unresolved issues from NJFO's role in the 
campaign--issues that in my estimation have done more to keep solid 
organizers away than any amount of cantancerous venting.

And finally, Kris- I have to level with you.  It really sickens me to have 
people that I worked so closely with repeatedly tell me that I can't have an 
opinion on these matters, or that my opinion is somehow less that valid, 
since I do not live in NB anymore.  First of all, it does nothing to address 
the issues, only you get to feel like the "outsider" where you spent years 
of sweat and blood (literally) building something up.  It's the same 
argument Tom used to discredit my postion that 1. NJFO should not have held 
its revolutionary democratic head in the sand (forsaking "struggle" for 
short term "unity") 2. That these "tactical" concessions to the 
Greens/Naderites & Republicans in a campaign was seen as hopeless by the 
campaign manager hurt us as we lost out on a huge opportunity to educate the 
sorking class public as to the relationship, for example, between the local 
and national struggle--a position that may come back to haunt us if the 
Greens move foward with their gubenatorial campaign to get Dirty Don 
elected. (I have since come to realize that all experiences were not the 
same, so I am refering to the dominant position upheld by the campaign 
leadership.)  I anycase, I do come down to the meetings as often as I can, 
but the way things have been going certainly hasn't done much to encourage 
it.

Those who profess unity without struggle
want crops without plowing the ground.

-Matthew



Matthew,

I respect the point you are trying to make with this post. However, I feel
strongly that you can't make such sharp judgement on the decisions made at
Campaign general meetings (in this case re: participation in the egroups)
when you were entirely absent from the debate. I don't know who gave you a
report of what went down, but I disagree with your characterization of what
happened.

to clarify, the decision was to change the way that the egroup operates so
that only members of the Campaign can make posts. as you know, the
guidelines for becoming a member of the Campaign are extremely broad. This
decision was discussed at length, and stemmed from many people's discontent
with how the egroup has degenerated. I have heard from many people that they
don't feel comfortable with the tone of the discussions a lot of the time,
and they don't feel comfortable to make posts for fear of being attacked.

Regardless of your feelings on this (and we should talk about this), the
vote was taken based on substantial debate on the matter. Frankly, I dont
think that the decision was ideal (I myself led the proposal). but it is an
immediate attempt to fix a problem that was actually inhibiting
communication for the majority. this policy is not set in stone. i really
want to hear what other people think about the state of this egroup.

Anyway, I think you need to participate yourself matt in these meetings and
discussions so that you know exactly where people are at. I'm afraid that
there's a lot of miscommunication and misinformation being shared. i'm not
sure where the "intellectual property" argument comes from. I also didn't
know that you were "concerned" about BoL's expulsion. Am I right to assume
that you felt that way when it happened back in May (i think?)?

also in unity,
Kristina


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:41:36




From: Julie Poulos
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT)

Matthew,
I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity
should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking
at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists.
First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words
can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where
individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints,
viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with
words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument
would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the
existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument,
one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or
not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within
NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved
through practice.
As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a
point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me.
As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has
responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with
their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine &
J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF
UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to
stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to
the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the
people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated
by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match
moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if
they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks.
I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their
child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming
environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the
People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it
is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a
spirit of respect and unity.
Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of
Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not
be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas
as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post
such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign.
In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me,
Julie
PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you
because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the
individual if we are replying to an individual.
--- Matthew Smith wrote:
 >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are
 >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I
 >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts
 >to about the same thing...
 >
 >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 
1
 >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay
 >
 >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third
 >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent
 >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This
 >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official
 >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we
 >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible
 >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and
 >institutions)
 >
 >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do
 >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you
 >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a
 >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This
 >legal
 >
 >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not 
secure
 >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are
 >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.
 >
 >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's
 >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on
 >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so,
 >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions
 >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad
 >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we
 >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community 
along
 >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for
 >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the
 >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up
 >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI
 >Radio.
 >
 >
 >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... 
Reply-To:
 >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
 >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
 >
 >Matt:
 >
 >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups
 >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New 
Brunswick
 >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with
 >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, 
with
 >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that:
 >
 >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator
 >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC
 >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any
 >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator will
 >be posted.
 >
 >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only NBPC
 >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.
 >
 >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
 >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read the
 >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and
 >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
 >
 >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and
 >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This 
is
 >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and discussion
 >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC
 >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be
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why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist profiling at all, 
and not work to advance upon the current positions being put forward?

the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign slogan?) 
is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community would 
determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, police, &tc. 
by democratically controlling these institutions. self-determination is a 
democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit black 
people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist.

do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america?

joe


>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
>
>Joe,
>
>As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced
>of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not heard
>a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
>think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
>
>The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about
>reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came up, I
>would be against both of those lines.
>
>As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
>national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation."  I
>reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
>for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue.
>
>In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
>members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
>the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a
>press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both
>theory and practice?
>
>Jim
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> >
> >
> > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > >
> > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> > >				Press Secretary
> > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> > >? 732/735-1342
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > >
> > >
> > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> > >
> > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
>Campaign,
> > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities
>and
> > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > >
> > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
>Senate
> > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> > >Verniero.
> > >
> > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a
>hate
> > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a
> > >blind eye to such acts.
> > >
> > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee
> > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice
> > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
>police
> > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> > >
> > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice
> > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators
>from
> > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > >
> > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings,
>the
> > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever.
> > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police
> > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of
> > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > >
> > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
>good
> > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > >
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julie, who said that curtis is working for the city machine or J&J to begin 
with? not me! why don't you ask curtis why he made those statements and 
demand he accept criticism for them. do you seriously suggest that we 
shouldn't criticize those that claim to represent community control and then 
speak of the exact opposite?

julie wrote:

Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of
Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not
be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas
as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post

julie, i don't understand that if we have a right to, as you say slander, 
then why have we been evicted. and further more, you are going to have a 
tough time explaining to people that tamara dahan "slandered" anyone, as she 
was thrown out of the campaign with no explaination over a month after BOL.

joe


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:41:36
>
>
>
>
>From: Julie Poulos
>To: vivaohio@...
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Matthew,
>I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity
>should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking
>at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists.
>First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words
>can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where
>individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints,
>viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with
>words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument
>would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the
>existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument,
>one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or
>not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within
>NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved
>through practice.
>As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a
>point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me.
>As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has
>responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with
>their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine &
>J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF
>UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to
>stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to
>the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the
>people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated
>by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match
>moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if
>they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks.
>I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their
>child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming
>environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the
>People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it
>is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a
>spirit of respect and unity.
>Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of
>Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not
>be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas
>as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post
>such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign.
>In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me,
>Julie
>PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you
>because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the
>individual if we are replying to an individual.
>--- Matthew Smith wrote:
> >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others 
>are
> >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I
> >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts
> >to about the same thing...
> >
> >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 
>1
> >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay
> >
> >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third
> >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent
> >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This
> >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official
> >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we
> >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible
> >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and
> >institutions)
> >
> >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do
> >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you
> >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a
> >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This
> >legal
> >
> >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not 
>secure
> >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are
> >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.
> >
> >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's
> >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction 
>on
> >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so,
> >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary 
>positions
> >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad
> >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we
> >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community 
>along
> >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for
> >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the
> >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end 
>up
> >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI
> >Radio.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... 
>Reply-To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
> >
> >Matt:
> >
> >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups
> >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New 
>Brunswick
> >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with
> >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, 
>with
> >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that:
> >
> >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator
> >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC
> >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any
> >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator 
>will
> >be posted.
> >
> >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only 
>NBPC
> >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.
> >
> >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
> >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read 
>the
> >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and
> >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
> >
> >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and
> >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This 
>is
> >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and 
>discussion
> >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC
> >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be
> >able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive.
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Kris and whoever else may be interested,

I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC meeting to 
turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the expressed 
purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also expels anyone 
who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up the 
overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and repeated 
on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of intellectual
property rights and trademark rights:

" In order to safeguard the good name of
the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining..."

In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to democracy. 
Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet learned 
to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. The 
notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound footing in 
terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic principles of 
humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human advance be 
it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective heritage and 
birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person creates
anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the one hand 
without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, which is not 
possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the other. 
All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's Campaign 
should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of intellectual 
property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open debate. 
Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude are at
the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is going to 
be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick.

In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There is a 
principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property rights...
or maybe it does...

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Is this the same Tracy Ford that approached CU as a Christian minister, 
eventually joined and embraced communism, then left for a brief Muslim 
stint, and had since become a rebublican shephard looking for a flock?  
Because not for nothing, but he's as confusing as ever.

----Original Message Follows----
From: TRACYFORD1420@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:03:22 -0400 (EDT)

I AM BAPTIST MINISTER AND ACTIVE REPUBLICAN WHO CARRIED OUT MY RELIGIOUS
AND BLACK NATIONALIST ACTIVITIES. I SPEAK OF LOVE AND FORGIVENESS. THE
LEADERSHIP  OF PEOPLE CAMPAIGN CRIMES OF KEEPING ME OPPRESSED, DEPRIVED
AND IGNORANT IS TRUE. TRUTH IS TRUTH. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS.
WHAT COULD MAKE YOU DOUBT THE TRUTH OTHER THAN YOUR OWN WEAK SELF? IF
YOU ONCE BELIEVED THE TRUTH, AND YOU ARE BEGINNING TO DOUBT THE TRUTH,
THE YOU DID NOT BELIEVE THE TRUTH IN THE FIRST PLACE.
TRACY FORD



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ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I
WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO RETURNED TO MY FIRST
LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH ME OUT. I TRY
SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A CHILD I PLAYED WITH
CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS AND
PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME IS OVER. I BECAME AN
APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR
BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY FLOCK IS HUNDRED  STRONG.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP
BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL
23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO
LIKE ME NOW???���
TRACY FORD



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tracy ford is also a liar and a con. he's being puppeteered by bright, NB 
bush. ever since bright got position on housing authority, we see his true 
supporters coming out ie. el curtis and tracy and nbpc, yes nbpc because 
silence and no opposition and no public self-criticism for being the 
ultimate reason this was able to happen means support. i can only hope that 
the next office you out of towners produce doesn't result in all this harm 
to THE NEW BRUNSWICK COMMUNITY that you falsely claim to represent.

but i thought this heading is to discuss a meeting with mosley to discuss 
the expulsion of nbpc from the community. i mean the expulsion of slogan 
"community control" from the nbpc. ok i really mean to discuss the infinite 
expulsion of six and counting of the most dedicated people to opposing the 
rise of fascism here on the streets of NB from the nbpc. why do you think 
mosley doesn't understand? because he sees that we are working harder and 
more effectively than an organization that at least triples SWORD with 
membership and resources. and he just can't understand that an organization 
can claim to represent the people and simotaneously fight against the 
communists and revolutionaries and NB youth, only to embrace the peoples' 
enemies-REPUBLICANS ARE THE PEOPLES ENEMIES. he is also probably very 
confused as to why nbpc would work without the community plan for a 
community center. though mosley would never step on anybody's toes, this is 
no less than a smack in the face for his developed plans for a community 
center. can nbpc post your plans, all i know is $15,000 by september and 
debrah's money. xavier do you think amiri/myself is wrong to call you an 
economist? (that is word of mouth, if amiri didn't say it i am)

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tracy i didn't like you before, but before we had a workable relationship. 
how is it again that communism is childish, big man? republicans in the 
garbage can!

joe


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>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
>
>ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I
>WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO RETURNED TO MY FIRST
>LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH ME OUT. I TRY
>SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A CHILD I PLAYED WITH
>CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY CHILDISH THINGS AND
>PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME IS OVER. I BECAME AN
>APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR
>BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY FLOCK IS HUNDRED  STRONG.
>IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP
>BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL
>23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO
>LIKE ME NOW???���
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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My opinion on the listserve has nothing to do with
intellectual property rights but the desire to keep
people interested in the campaign on the listserve, so
that the list can serve its function as a place where
people concerned about the campaign can discuss it.
  
Over the last few weeks I noticed the following:  1.
It has been brought to my attention that members are
leaving the listserve because it has become dominated
by the antagonisms largely of a few people not even in
the campaign 2. The machine is printing out and
sharing everything we write, and alot of it is not
representative of the campaign. One member brought up
this concern and we had a full discussion of this in
women's caucus.  3. The last anonymous obscene posting
was the last straw for me.  At the very least people
should stand for what they post on this site.

The need to address the listserve has been brought
forward by members in the campaign.  At the last
meeting, we tried to address it.

I opposed a moderator because that to me is the direct
practice of censorship.  What other approaches do we
have than setting up 3 lists, so that each person
concerned about the campaign can be a part of
information sharing and discussion to the greatest
extent possible?  I am open to other solutions, but
the problem of #1. above is of greatest concern to me
and my understanding is it must be addressed so people
in the campaign remain involved in discussion.  

Weve got alot of huge, critical decisions coming up
and I have no idea how we will make informed decisions
without informed discussion.  I feel extremely
uncomfortable making any of the upcoming decisions
without all of us receiving more information and
exploring all the issues, to the point where I think
we shouldnt vote on them until we have discussed them
thoroughly, and that means not just a few people,
those who propose these ideas or are in leadership
positions, but as much of the membership as possible.

Any other ideas about ways to have this listserve be a
more broadly accessible forum for discussion? 
Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has such a
high tolerance for antagonism as those who have been
dominating this list.

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Speaking for myself and not as campaign GC....

This latest line of debate is more than a little puzzling.  Let's 
first talk about what the March 31 decision was.  I posted it in 
detail in message 1293 based on my notes for the meeting.  But let's 
review:

At the last general meeting, the membership overwhelmingly voted to 
create two NBPC-sponsored yahoogroups/listservs, each of which could 
be read by ANYONE.  One of those groups would be moderated, so as to 
limit it to posting only official NBPC materials.  In the second, 
posting rights would be broader but would be limited to membership.  
Next, the membership also voted to have a forum substantially like 
the present one, i.e. where anyone whether a member or not, could 
post or read.

Keith was at the meeting and he should know that what I've outlined 
above is what was voted by the members.  Yet, he infers that there 
have been "listserv expulsions" ordered by the membership.  Where, 
Keith?  You know it isn't so.

Two NEW forums have been created.  The present forum will continue... 
perhaps under this name, perhaps not, but it will continue.  Where 
are all these expulsions you speak of?  Two new forums are being 
created!  Where is the repression?  Any nonmember will be able to 
continue to rant and rave as much as they wish, but it will not be on 
a board in which NBPC sponsorship can be inferred.

I don't know why everyone voted as they did at the meeting.  I have 
advanced some of the reasons why I voted as I did and I do not 
retreat from them.  Without going into detail, suffice it to say that 
neither your views nor Matt's have persuaded me to the contrary.

Some other members argued that in order to empower people to better 
manage the information they receive, the groups should be parsed 
out.  I generally share this view.  But some thinkers on this 
listserv claim that people shouldn't have this choice.  They argue 
that there should be one listserv only for nonmembers' rantings as 
well as official business.  The members' votes from March 31 offers 
people a choice to join any one or all of these new forums.  Let 
people make this decision!  Who are we to make this choice for them?  
Perhaps they think that other choices of theirs should be taken away 
as well!

For the record, some other members have said that the debate on this 
board was 'intimidating' to potential new members and that's why they 
voted as they did at the 3/31 meeting.  Personally I do not agree 
with that as a basis.  The campaign needs advocates who will be 
fierce, not a bunch of Milquetoasts when faced with a view that 
conflicts with their own, will get scared.  That's not the kind of 
advocate that the people of New Brunswick need at city council 
meetings or in polling places.

The good name of NBPC was being diluted and tarnished under unfair 
circumstances.  I believe that an organization has a right to defend 
itself and that is why I voted as I did.  The decision has now been 
made and because the Steering Committee follows the decisions of the 
general meetings and does not disobey them, the decision will be 
implemented forthwith.



--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...> 
wrote:
> Kris and whoever else may be interested,
> 
> I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC 
meeting to 
> turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the 
expressed 
> purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also 
expels anyone 
> who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up 
the 
> overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and 
repeated 
> on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of 
intellectual
> property rights and trademark rights:
> 
> " In order to safeguard the good name of
> the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
> in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
> law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one 
abstaining..."
> 
> In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to 
democracy. 
> Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet 
learned 
> to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. 
The 
> notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound 
footing in 
> terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic 
principles of 
> humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human 
advance be 
> it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective 
heritage and 
> birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person 
creates
> anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the 
one hand 
> without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, 
which is not 
> possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the 
other. 
> All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's 
Campaign 
> should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of 
intellectual 
> property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open 
debate. 
> Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude 
are at
> the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is 
going to 
> be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick.
> 
> In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There 
is a 
> principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property 
rights...
> or maybe it does...
> 
> Keith
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Zofia,

A moderated listserv doesn't have to mean censorship. I am on many moderated
listservs, all of which tend to pass on information when it is relevant to
the list at hand, rather than merely aimlessly spammed, or completely
outside the guidelines of the list. I also think it's important to keep in
mind that a yahoogroups.com listserv is not overwhelmingly the best means to
involve "the vast majority of the New Brunswick working class," who, as some
have pointed out, are overwhelmingly not Campaign "members," as of yet.
However, many do not have access to the Internet, and of those that do, is
there some reason anyone would think that debate at the level of rival
snarkiness would really cause people to spend the little time they have at
home with their families "debating" these "issues"? All that has happened is
that those who are already discussing issues on the listserv are disgusted
by its current tenor and lack any desire to post to such a forum. There is
no "exclusion" of the New Brunswick working class--indeed, should a
community member decide to subscribe to the list and post something
political, it would bounce to said moderator. The moderator would, I would
hope, read all bounced messages--and, if they're relevant, clear the person
for discussion on the second list. It's not something either difficult to
do, or set in stone for all eternity. I've moderated egroups/yahoogroups.com
lists, and it's incredibly quick and easy to change people's access to
various lists.

However, the real concern seems to be that "people will not subscribe" to
the third list. If the dialogue at hand is relevant to the members of the NB
community people seem to think are somehow being excluded by the first two
lists, certainly, they will subscribe and participate, and people will note
this and also subscribe and participate. If it remains a reflection of a
very few people representative of a very few specific organizations sniping
at one another, no, people most likely won't subscribe. That's not
reflective of disdain for free speech. It's a simple reality--we most have a
limited amount of free time, and choose to spend it as productively as
possible--and getting into sniping flamewars doesn't really fit that
description.

-charlotte.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Zofia Nowakowski" <znowakowski@...>
To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:42 AM
Subject: [nbpc] listserve


> My opinion on the listserve has nothing to do with
> intellectual property rights but the desire to keep
> people interested in the campaign on the listserve, so
> that the list can serve its function as a place where
> people concerned about the campaign can discuss it.
>
> Over the last few weeks I noticed the following:  1.
> It has been brought to my attention that members are
> leaving the listserve because it has become dominated
> by the antagonisms largely of a few people not even in
> the campaign 2. The machine is printing out and
> sharing everything we write, and alot of it is not
> representative of the campaign. One member brought up
> this concern and we had a full discussion of this in
> women's caucus.  3. The last anonymous obscene posting
> was the last straw for me.  At the very least people
> should stand for what they post on this site.
>
> The need to address the listserve has been brought
> forward by members in the campaign.  At the last
> meeting, we tried to address it.
>
> I opposed a moderator because that to me is the direct
> practice of censorship.  What other approaches do we
> have than setting up 3 lists, so that each person
> concerned about the campaign can be a part of
> information sharing and discussion to the greatest
> extent possible?  I am open to other solutions, but
> the problem of #1. above is of greatest concern to me
> and my understanding is it must be addressed so people
> in the campaign remain involved in discussion.
>
> Weve got alot of huge, critical decisions coming up
> and I have no idea how we will make informed decisions
> without informed discussion.  I feel extremely
> uncomfortable making any of the upcoming decisions
> without all of us receiving more information and
> exploring all the issues, to the point where I think
> we shouldnt vote on them until we have discussed them
> thoroughly, and that means not just a few people,
> those who propose these ideas or are in leadership
> positions, but as much of the membership as possible.
>
> Any other ideas about ways to have this listserve be a
> more broadly accessible forum for discussion?
> Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has such a
> high tolerance for antagonism as those who have been
> dominating this list.
>
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WHEN IS THE LISTSERVE GOING TO CHANGE SO ONLY MEMBERS
CAN PARTICIPATE? 

frankly i am through with the whole discussion and it
is messages like the one below that have ended it for
me.  It is comments like these that caused the
disscussion in the womens caucus meeting in the first
place (we then brought it to the larger body).  

do we think the FBI just dissapeared after the black
panthers, that cointellpro doesn't exist? people are
reading this crap, and they're laughing and they're
planning how to exacerbate the situation even more so
we wont get anything done.  this is how the revolution
was smashed in the 70's and we need to read our
histroy and learn from it.

we do not have time to be name calling, its
ridiculous.  we have serious work to do. why isn't
anyone talking about how to fill all of the positions
that aren't filled in the campaign so more people are
doing work and we expand and grow?  why are we
fighting all of the time?  

i think we need to recognize that we are the richest
people in the world and no one else has time to argue
like we do.  frankly we don't either.  you call
yourself a revolutionary? you say you want unity?  do
it, don't say it.  if you have time to write four five
emails a day bashing all of the work that people are
doing, you are wasting your time and everyone else's
who has to read your crap.

this is why we are creating a new list serve that is
for members only.  because the members of the campaign
are using their democratic right to controll what
their name is involved in. and we are interested in
doing work and the other people are not.  all they
want to do is sit at their computer all day and
disrespect people in a public forum and attack all of
the good work we are doing while they do nothing but
try to break up the movement they are riding on.     

im sick of this shit and yeah im gonna say it just
like that. i cant wait until we get a new listserve so
i dont have to read all the bullshit anymore.

alyssa joy
     
--- joseph smith <can_bush@...> wrote:
> tracy i didn't like you before, but before we had a
> workable relationship. 
> how is it again that communism is childish, big man?
> republicans in the 
> garbage can!
> 
> joe
> 
> 
> >From: TRACYFORD1420@...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
> >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE
> NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I
> >WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO
> RETURNED TO MY FIRST
> >LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH
> ME OUT. I TRY
> >SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A
> CHILD I PLAYED WITH
> >CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY
> CHILDISH THINGS AND
> >PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME
> IS OVER. I BECAME AN
> >APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS
> GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR
> >BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY
> FLOCK IS HUNDRED  STRONG.
> >IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO
> TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP
> >BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN
> PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL
> >23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU
> UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO
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> >
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Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:


One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to 
New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country) 
was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy 
everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley.  They talked about him like he 
was the local Bob Dylan.  I can still clearly remember the feeling I had 
when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends 
whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and 
asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..."  For the next few years I 
spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising 
events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & musicians 
who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook, 
the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what 
everyone was missing so deeply.  There was a spirit there, and a 
consiousness...an awareness and a song.  Mark Bradley, though I never met 
him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have 
had otherwise.  I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I 
never even met him.  Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and 
should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach, 
while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial 
mist........  Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began for 
me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going 
under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies 
can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve 
frankenstein buildings makes me numb!  We see it all around us in NB.  
Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or 
bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used 
to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I 
wonder where they go.  So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you 
who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face.  & my 
question is, what are we going to do about it?  I don't have any easy 
answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out 
loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or 
if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!

"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"

             -the late and timeless Mark Bradely

...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:

               "Down with the Multinationals!"

--Matthew Smith


----original message-----

From: Tom Murphy
Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400

For everyone who might be interested to know.....


http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html



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I second that motion.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Flavio, & all-

I think that as long as the substance of this debate remains shrouded in 
formalism, we will not find an agreeable solution.  The heart of the matter 
lies in this "second, members only" group list & it gets into the nature of 
the NBPC organization itself: is this to be an open & flexible united front 
organization that is broad enough to include every view point where we can 
find some basis for unity against a common enemy, as I would argue is the 
case with BOL/SWORD?  OR- is the NBPC going to become a kind of limited 
socially progressive/liberal advocate organization fettered by its own 
bureaucratic legalese and court-room like formalies?  You can argue that 
"nothing is changed, this list remains, only a second is created for 
members" or we can cut to the issue at hand and recognize that the NBPC will 
no longer be associated with the only truly open discussion list & will 
limit ITS debate to "members only", restricting not only BOL/SWORD access, 
but ANY public member who hasn't OFFICIALLY joined the organization.

That said, while I agree with Alyssa's statement that the 
"put-up-your-dukes" tone of certain individuals is making this debate 
extremely vulnerable to cointel type interferance, (not to mention making it 
extremely difficult to defend their right to participate) I must maintain my 
position against closing the OFFICIAL NBPC list off to the public at large, 
as we are really struggling over what type of organization this is to be.

Struggling for Unity --Matthew


----Original Message Follows----
From: Groovemeister007@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] Re: lsit [sic] serve expulsions
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:03:56 -0000

Speaking for myself and not as campaign GC....

This latest line of debate is more than a little puzzling.  Let's
first talk about what the March 31 decision was.  I posted it in
detail in message 1293 based on my notes for the meeting.  But let's
review:

At the last general meeting, the membership overwhelmingly voted to
create two NBPC-sponsored yahoogroups/listservs, each of which could
be read by ANYONE.  One of those groups would be moderated, so as to
limit it to posting only official NBPC materials.  In the second,
posting rights would be broader but would be limited to membership.
Next, the membership also voted to have a forum substantially like
the present one, i.e. where anyone whether a member or not, could
post or read.

Keith was at the meeting and he should know that what I've outlined
above is what was voted by the members.  Yet, he infers that there
have been "listserv expulsions" ordered by the membership.  Where,
Keith?  You know it isn't so.

Two NEW forums have been created.  The present forum will continue...
perhaps under this name, perhaps not, but it will continue.  Where
are all these expulsions you speak of?  Two new forums are being
created!  Where is the repression?  Any nonmember will be able to
continue to rant and rave as much as they wish, but it will not be on
a board in which NBPC sponsorship can be inferred.

I don't know why everyone voted as they did at the meeting.  I have
advanced some of the reasons why I voted as I did and I do not
retreat from them.  Without going into detail, suffice it to say that
neither your views nor Matt's have persuaded me to the contrary.

Some other members argued that in order to empower people to better
manage the information they receive, the groups should be parsed
out.  I generally share this view.  But some thinkers on this
listserv claim that people shouldn't have this choice.  They argue
that there should be one listserv only for nonmembers' rantings as
well as official business.  The members' votes from March 31 offers
people a choice to join any one or all of these new forums.  Let
people make this decision!  Who are we to make this choice for them?
Perhaps they think that other choices of theirs should be taken away
as well!

For the record, some other members have said that the debate on this
board was 'intimidating' to potential new members and that's why they
voted as they did at the 3/31 meeting.  Personally I do not agree
with that as a basis.  The campaign needs advocates who will be
fierce, not a bunch of Milquetoasts when faced with a view that
conflicts with their own, will get scared.  That's not the kind of
advocate that the people of New Brunswick need at city council
meetings or in polling places.

The good name of NBPC was being diluted and tarnished under unfair
circumstances.  I believe that an organization has a right to defend
itself and that is why I voted as I did.  The decision has now been
made and because the Steering Committee follows the decisions of the
general meetings and does not disobey them, the decision will be
implemented forthwith.



--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@h...>
wrote:
 > Kris and whoever else may be interested,
 >
 > I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC
meeting to
 > turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the
expressed
 > purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also
expels anyone
 > who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up
the
 > overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and
repeated
 > on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of
intellectual
 > property rights and trademark rights:
 >
 > " In order to safeguard the good name of
 > the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
 > in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
 > law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one
abstaining..."
 >
 > In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to
democracy.
 > Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet
learned
 > to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it.
The
 > notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound
footing in
 > terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic
principles of
 > humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human
advance be
 > it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective
heritage and
 > birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person
creates
 > anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the
one hand
 > without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar,
which is not
 > possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the
other.
 > All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's
Campaign
 > should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of
intellectual
 > property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open
debate.
 > Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude
are at
 > the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is
going to
 > be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick.
 >
 > In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There
is a
 > principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property
rights...
 > or maybe it does...
 >
 > Keith
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Joe- Why not let Joe Mosley speak for himself.



----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:35:33 -0400

tracy ford is also a liar and a con. he's being puppeteered by bright, NB
bush. ever since bright got position on housing authority, we see his true
supporters coming out ie. el curtis and tracy and nbpc, yes nbpc because
silence and no opposition and no public self-criticism for being the
ultimate reason this was able to happen means support. i can only hope that
the next office you out of towners produce doesn't result in all this harm
to THE NEW BRUNSWICK COMMUNITY that you falsely claim to represent.

but i thought this heading is to discuss a meeting with mosley to discuss
the expulsion of nbpc from the community. i mean the expulsion of slogan
"community control" from the nbpc. ok i really mean to discuss the infinite
expulsion of six and counting of the most dedicated people to opposing the
rise of fascism here on the streets of NB from the nbpc. why do you think
mosley doesn't understand? because he sees that we are working harder and
more effectively than an organization that at least triples SWORD with
membership and resources. and he just can't understand that an organization
can claim to represent the people and simotaneously fight against the
communists and revolutionaries and NB youth, only to embrace the peoples'
enemies-REPUBLICANS ARE THE PEOPLES ENEMIES. he is also probably very
confused as to why nbpc would work without the community plan for a
community center. though mosley would never step on anybody's toes, this is
no less than a smack in the face for his developed plans for a community
center. can nbpc post your plans, all i know is $15,000 by september and
debrah's money. xavier do you think amiri/myself is wrong to call you an
economist? (that is word of mouth, if amiri didn't say it i am)

joe
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Thomas Murphy" <thomasbmurphy67@...>
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:30:57 -0400

this is an another related story....

Area near tavern may be redeveloped

            Published in the Home News Tribune 4/05/01

            By SHARON WATERS
            STAFF WRITER

            NEW BRUNSWICK: The potential for redevelopment of the area by 
the Court Tavern on Church Street moved forward yesterday after
            a developer made an offer to buy two nearby parking lots, and 
the City Council took the first step in amending its redevelopment plan for
            the area.

            Bob Albert Jr., who owns the Court Tavern, and Mark Ellenberg, 
who owns three properties on Spring Street, expressed concern at last
            night's council meeting about future plans for the area. Albert, 
fearing he may be forced to sell, has said he will not restart his tavern
            business elsewhere.

            Omar Boraie's attorney, Thomas Kelso, submitted an offer Tuesday 
to the New Brunswick Parking Authority to buy the Paterson Street
            and Church Street parking lots for $825,000, said the 
authority's attorney, John A. Hoffman with Wilentz, Goldman and Spitzer in
            Woodbridge.

            Boraie's offer includes a condition that if he did not build on 
the land within two years, the Parking Authority could buy it back for the
            selling price, plus 7 percent interest, Hoffman said. Boraie 
also promised to provide about 100 spaces of public parking for five years 
on
            the site, said Hoffman.

            Boraie wants to construct an office building with a parking deck 
below and has been negotiating with the Parking Authority for two
            months, said the authority's Executive Director Mitch Karon.

            Omar Boraie, reached at his office yesterday, declined to 
comment on his plans for the properties. His son, Sam, declined to comment
            Tuesday and referred all questions to the father.

            The Parking Authority insisted it would only sell Boraie the 
lots if he would construct an office building, said Hoffman, noting the 
authority
            would not want to sell so Boraie could operate parking lots.

            The authority would not close on the sale until Boraie had 
received a redeveloper designation from the New Brunswick Housing &
            Redevelopment Authority and had applied for a building permit, 
said Hoffman.

            Boraie's offer will be presented to the Parking Authority board 
of commissioners at its April 17 meeting, Hoffman said. He considered the
            $825,000 offer "in the bounds of reasonableness," noting the two 
lots would be sold in "as-is condition," meaning Boraie would assume all
            subsurface and environmental risks.

            Boraie's first offer, for $704,000 on March 1, was rejected, 
Hoffman said. The two parking lots were appraised at $848,000, not
            $868,000 as previously reported by Karon, Hoffman said.

            Hoffman said he did not know what Boraie wants to build.

            "I saw a plan, but I don't know what it covers," said Hoffman, 
adding he did not know how high Boraie wished to build.

            Any new construction on the site would have to be less than 96 
feet or eight stories if an amendment to the city's downtown redevelopment
            plan is approved in two weeks.

            Last night, the City Council introduced the amendment, which 
also added the Paterson Street parking deck and three properties on Spring
            Street to the redevelopment plan. The plan amendment is 
significant because it nearly doubles a redevelopment sub-area that 
previously
            included just the Court Tavern and Court Street parking lot, 
potentially making the plot more attractive to a redeveloper.

            A public hearing on the amendment to the plan and final vote are 
scheduled for the next council meeting on April 18.

            Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

            from the Home News Tribune

            Published: April 5, 2001

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>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>To: murphman6000@..., waynecosney@..., 
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>Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:17
>
>
>Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
>
>
>One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
>New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
>was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
>everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley.  They talked about him like 
>he
>was the local Bob Dylan.  I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
>when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
>whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
>asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..."  For the next few years 
>I
>spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
>events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & 
>musicians
>who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
>the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
>everyone was missing so deeply.  There was a spirit there, and a
>consiousness...an awareness and a song.  Mark Bradley, though I never met
>him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
>had otherwise.  I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
>never even met him.  Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
>should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
>while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
>mist........  Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began 
>for
>me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
>under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
>can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
>frankenstein buildings makes me numb!  We see it all around us in NB.
>Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
>bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
>to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
>wonder where they go.  So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
>who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face.  & my
>question is, what are we going to do about it?  I don't have any easy
>answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
>loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
>if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
>
>"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
>when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>
>             -the late and timeless Mark Bradely
>
>...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
>
>               "Down with the Multinationals!"
>
>--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----original message-----
>
>From: Tom Murphy
>Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
>
>For everyone who might be interested to know.....
>
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
>
>
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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Thomas Murphy" <thomasbmurphy67@...>
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:27:38 -0400


Matt here is today's story. Just so you know there have been three articles 
three days in a row about the Court tavern....

the home news is www.thnt.com

Mayor suggests Court Tavern owner relocate within area

            Published in the Home News Tribune 4/06/01

            By SHARON WATERS
            and CHRIS JORDAN
            STAFF WRITERS

            NEW BRUNSWICK: Court Tavern owner Bob Albert Jr. was urged by 
Mayor James M. Cahill yesterday to consider relocating within
            the area if the Church Street nightclub is displaced by a 
development project.

            Albert said he would be agreeable to a move only if it were to a 
location in the immediate area, but he doubts such a place can be found.

            "That seems to me a very difficult thing to do," Albert said. "I 
don't know where they could put me."

            Cahill told a reporter, "I would encourage any developer, as 
well as Bob Albert, to incorporate the Court Tavern into any redevelopment
            scheme and relocate it within the area," noting the 
redevelopment process includes compensating owners for the value of their 
properties as
            well as helping them relocate.

            When told that Albert originally said he would rather close the 
tavern than relocate it, Cahill said, "That's not the city turning its back 
on
            that type of entertainment. It would be a decision by Mr. 
Albert."

            Albert said that his business would need to be moved to a 
nonresidential downtown area from Albany Street to Livingston Avenue.

            "This is a nonresidential area, and we're not bothering any of 
our neighbors here," said Albert of his current 124 Church St. location. 
"I'll be
            the first to admit that it gets pretty loud down there."

            Developer Omar Boraie has made an offer to buy the Paterson and 
Church streets parking lots from the New Brunswick Parking
            Authority for $825,000. Boraie wants to build an office building 
and parking deck on the site, Parking Authority officials said.

            The City Council is considering amending its downtown 
redevelopment plan to nearly double a redevelopment sub-area near the 
tavern,
            potentially making the plot more attractive to a developer.

            Albert, who rejected a "ludicrous" offer from Boraie for the 
nightclub, fears he will be forced out if a redevelopment project is 
approved on
            the land. When Boraie initially approached Albert about buying 
the club, Boraie suggested that the club could be moved to Somerset
            Street, a location closer to the Rutgers University campus, 
Albert said.

            "For whatever reason this bar never appealed to the college 
kids, and we've never done serious business with the college," Albert said.
            "My main problem with going up on campus is that it's a 
residential area, and there's no way I could do what I'm doing down here 
now."

            The city's rock 'n' roll music fans fear a Court Tavern closing 
would be a sign the city's music scene is waning. They accuse city officials 
of
            not recognizing the importance of the live-music scene, a charge 
Cahill denied.

            Relocating does not have to mean starting over for the tavern, 
said Cahill.

            "It's really an opportunity for the Court Tavern to grow, become 
more profitable and play even a larger role of the rock 'n' roll scene in
            New Brunswick," the mayor said.

            There are a number of sites where the Court Tavern could move 
but Cahill declined to list any, saying his speculation as a city official 
could
            impact acquisition prices for alternative sites.

            "I'm afraid that plans are being made, and I haven't been 
involved in them," Albert said. "That's why the (City Council) meeting on 
the 18th
            (of April) is very important. Wheels are turning, and I'm 
standing here scratching my head. It's nerve racking."

            The preferred development for the area near the Court Tavern 
would be a combination of office and parking with some retail, Cahill said.

            When asked if a project could be built with the Court Tavern 
remaining where it is, Cahill said, "I would imagine a property could be 
built
            in any way. If you carve out something, it could make for a 
strange configuration of a building over there."

            Cahill said the developer and Albert would need to evaluate what 
makes the most sense.

            Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

            Chris Jordan: (732) 565-7275. E-mail cjordan@...

            from the Home News Tribune

            Published: April 6, 2001

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>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>To: murphman6000@..., waynecosney@..., 
>traceyX@..., Spiago@..., star@..., gocreepgo@..., 
>Rhinoqueen420@..., deem.ohm@..., mike@..., 
>mike@..., imogene615@..., mwkrunner@..., 
>QueenMP1@..., GargoyleCornhole@..., l.hyslop@..., 
>celtgirl1114@..., kvt@..., doublej66@..., 
>jillybee@..., JMcmanemin@..., sackblabbath@..., 
>HyprPunk24@..., h.luvuna@..., GCarmen@..., 
>gkar@..., galaxygirl420@..., eshaneson@..., 
>eric@..., edwordking@..., deanrocks@..., 
>cgascoyne@..., blkshep@..., lumous1@..., 
>bklein9104@..., anya243@..., ADmunin@..., 
>pensandgifts@..., almuzer@...
>Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:17
>
>
>Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
>
>
>One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
>New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
>was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
>everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley.  They talked about him like 
>he
>was the local Bob Dylan.  I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
>when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
>whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
>asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..."  For the next few years 
>I
>spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
>events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & 
>musicians
>who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
>the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
>everyone was missing so deeply.  There was a spirit there, and a
>consiousness...an awareness and a song.  Mark Bradley, though I never met
>him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
>had otherwise.  I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
>never even met him.  Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
>should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
>while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
>mist........  Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began 
>for
>me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
>under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
>can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
>frankenstein buildings makes me numb!  We see it all around us in NB.
>Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
>bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
>to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
>wonder where they go.  So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
>who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face.  & my
>question is, what are we going to do about it?  I don't have any easy
>answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
>loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
>if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
>
>"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
>when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>
>             -the late and timeless Mark Bradely
>
>...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
>
>               "Down with the Multinationals!"
>
>--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----original message-----
>
>From: Tom Murphy
>Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
>
>For everyone who might be interested to know.....
>
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
>
>
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Americans Arrive To Study in Cuba
The Associated Press, Wed 4 Apr 2001

HAVANA (AP) ? A U.S. flag was flown and the American anthem was played Wednesday as Cuba welcomed eight young Americans arriving here to study
medicine courtesy of the communist government.

The six women and two men from minority families arrived in Havana late Tuesday. They are the first Americans to attend a free six-year program to
become physicians originally designed for impoverished students in Latin America.

President Fidel Castro offered to extend the free medical training to include up to 500 Americans when he met last May with a delegation from the
Congressional Black Caucus.

``It would be hard for your government to oppose such a program,'' Castro told the U.S. lawmakers at the time. ``It would be a trial for them.
Morally, how could they refuse?''

The U.S. State Department later said it would not oppose the program, saying that it had been American policy to encourage contact between ordinary
Cubans and Americans.

``This is a modest beginning to a revolutionary and visionary idea,'' said the Rev. Lucius Walker, head of the U.S. organization Pastors for Peace,
which regularly brings medicine and other humanitarian aid to the Caribbean island.

``We are confident that you will open your arms and your hearts and receive our children as your own,'' Walker told Cubans attending a small welcoming
 ceremony on Wednesday at the Latin American School of Medicine.

``This is an opportunity for me to study medicine and become a great doctor while learning about the Cuban medical system,'' said Karima Mosi, 22, of
San Diego.

``I understand that the medical school in Cuba is among the best in Latin America and the world, so I have no reservations about my education,'' Mosi
said.

The Americans join more than 4,000 other students from 24 other nations in Latin America, the Caribbean and Africa who now attend classes at the
medical school, which opened two years ago.

When commenting last November on Cuba's proposed program for American medical students, the U.S. State Department noted that it was unclear whether
Americans who receive training in Cuba will be able to meet licensing requirements once they return home.

Many Cuban physicians who emigrate to the United States have had difficulty obtaining permission to practice.

Cuba also proposed sending its own doctors to poor areas of the United States as part of the program, but the State Department said the idea was
rejected.

Cuba has a surplus of doctors and dispatches thousands abroad each year to work in other developing countries.

Shortages of basic medicines have been acute in recent years in Cuba, particularly in the decade since the collapse of the Soviet Union ? once the
island's principal trading partner.

Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Ten Reasons for Reparations
Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet
April 3, 2001
Viewed on April 6, 2001

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Conservative muckraker David Horowitz has been verbally mugged for peddling 
an ad to college newspapers giving ten reasons why reparations are racist. 
But the name callers have done little more than canonize Horowitz as a 
martyr for truth and free speech. Even worse, they've failed miserably to 
tell why reparations merit a serious look. There are ten compelling reasons 
it does.


1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame for 
slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This designated a 
black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political representation 
purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by mandating that 
all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to their 
masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court 
reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were taken in 
the United States.


2. Major institutions profited from slavery. In October, the California 
state legislature passed a bill requiring insurance companies to disclose 
whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This was recognition that 
insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The insurance 
industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and investment 
houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases, 
investments in Southern land and products, and the transport, and sale of 
slaves.


3. Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report 
by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C. 
public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic 
and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to 
live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and 
housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash starved, 
failing public schools than whites.


4. There's a direct cost for slavery's legacy. Former Federal Reserve Board 
Chairman Andrew Brimmer estimates that discrimination costs blacks $10 
billion yearly through the black-white wage gap, denial of capital access, 
inadequate public services, and reduced social security and other government 
benefits. This has been called the "black tax."


5. The U.S. government has shelled out billions since the 1960s to pay for 
resettlement, job training, education, and health programs for refugees 
fleeing Communist repression. Politicians and the majority of the public 
enthusiastically backed these payments as the morally and legally right 
thing to do.


6. The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most Americans 
admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked severe pain 
and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, Oakland, and Los 
Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions 
supporting a federal commission to study reparations. Also, there was no 
national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity payments, 
provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans interned 
during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and mineral 
rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army during 
World War II.


7. No legislation has been proposed that mandates taxpayers pay billions to 
blacks. A bill by Michigan Democrat John Conyers that has languished in 
Congress since 1993 simply establishes a commission to study the effects of 
slavery. The estimated cost is less than $10 million.


8. There is a precedent for paying blacks for past legal and moral wrongs. 
In 1997 Clinton apologized and the U.S. government paid $10 million to the 
black survivors and family members victimized by the syphilis experiment 
conducted in the 1930's by the U.S. Public Health Service. In 1994, the 
Florida legislature agreed to make payments to the survivors and relatives 
of those who lost their lives and property when a white mob destroyed the 
all-black town of Rosewood in 1923. The carnage was tacitly condoned by 
public officials and law enforcement officers. The Oklahoma state 
legislature is currently considering reparations payments to the survivors 
and their descendants of the destruction of black neighborhoods in Tulsa by 
white mobs in 1921.


9. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and other mega-rich blacks will 
not receive a penny in reparations. Any tax money to redress black suffering 
should go into a fund to bolster funding for AIDS/HIV education and 
prevention, underfinanced inner-city public schools, to expand job skills 
and training, drug and alcohol counseling and rehabilitation, computer 
access and literacy training programs, and to improve public services for 
the estimated one in four blacks still trapped in poverty.


10. Thirty years ago a writer passionately argued that the U.S. government 
has kept the "black ghettos in a colonial status since Reconstruction" and 
refused to meet the "most basic political and economic demands of the black 
movement." That writer was David Horowitz. He made the argument in his book, 
Empire and Revolution, a blistering indictment of the U.S. government. 
Radical hyperbole notwithstanding, Horowitz recognized then that America 
owed a debt to black America for past and present sins. It still does.


Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the President of The National Alliance for Positive 
Action and the author of The Disappearance of Black Leadership (Middle 
Passage Press).



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I'll throw in some thoughts ...

Well, I would tend to agree with Flavio on the point that, as a 
matter of plain fact, no censorship is taking place.  Two new egroups 
are being created (only one of them is really a matter of 
controversy).  This group is not being censored.  Nobody is being 
forced to abandon this group in favor of exclusively discussing 
matters within the soon-to-be official discussion group for the 
Campaign.  

If it proves impossible to rename this group, people can easily 
continue their discussions within a similarly named group that could 
be created in a matter of five minutes.  In fact, you could probably, 
though minimal effort, crosspost the entire backlog of messages from 
this group to another group.  Again, as Charlotte pointed out, 
electronic discussion groups are a unique -- and uniquely flexible -- 
medium that don't bear direct resemblance to either print media or 
face-to-face discussion.  (That's in part the problem with 
discussing 'censorship' here -- censorship is relative to the medium 
you're discussing.  It is no more absolute and transcendent of 
context than 'free speech).

Otherwise:  There are a number of subtexts at work here.  It may be 
better to state them in more precise terms than 'censorship', which 
is quickly turning into something of a catch-all phrase.  To address 
some of those subtexts rather quickly:

1)  Part of this seems to be an argument, really, about how much the 
People's Campaign ought to expand and professionalize as an 
organization.  Ought there to be a certain division of labor, with 
specific individuals responsible for coordinating specific tasks?  
Ought there to be a variety of procedural mechanisms and regulations?
The fact is that as a political organization grows, as it accepts new 
members and becomes more diverse in its base, it becomes more laden 
with procedures, officers/offices, and so forth.  This is necessary 
to ensure both fairness and efficiency.  Obviously, this seems 
distasteful to some people: the feeling of solidarity is an appealing 
aspect of community organizing, and to some people's minds, these 
developments might appear as antagonistic to solidarity.  To divide 
up the lists in this fashion might seem like a move away from an 
ethic of solidarity and towards an ethic of professional political 
organizing.  I personally am skeptical whether these are entirely 
mutually exclusive; I think that would be a rather dogmatic 
conclusion to reach.

2) Some people have suggested, it seems, that this is an attempt to 
censor the Block on Lock individuals.  If the concern that their 
messages were jamming up the list _inspired_ a discussion about the 
nature of the list, it still isn't reasonable to argue that this is a 
mere attempt to censor them.  The inspiration or origin of something 
and its actual meaning and importance are two _very_ different 
issues.  A Marxist would call equating the origin of something with 
its substance 'undialectical'.  To argue otherwise, I think, would be 
in essence to say that words are never anything more than mere 
bludgeons.  In that case, why bother arguing at all?

FURTHERMORE, all of these concerns were being voiced long ago.  
First, there has been the longstanding concern of getting schedules 
and announcements to people who don't want to be on the main 
discussion list.  Second, there's been concerns about individuals 
being simply obnoxious, disruptive, or posing threats from anonymous 
email accounts in the past.  (Recall, eg, the individual who claimed 
to be some kind of Black Nationalist way back over the summer).  
Furthermore, for awhile, there was no discussion on the list 
whatsoever, really.  So in part, the problem is how to _stimulate_ 
discussion on the lists.  That in itself could've just as easily been 
the force of inspiration for the creation of the new lists.

So, again, you see that the argument about this being an attack on 
the Smiths et al is sort of untenable.

Yours,

Jeremy







































   

exhibit A of civil-libertarian "constitutionalism" serving imperial ends to 
e.g. defend Klan marches and effectively censor communists.

more democracy, not less!


>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
>
>Matt:
>
>I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding
>egroups taken on Saturday.  In order to safeguard the good name of
>the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
>in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
>law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining,
>decided that:
>
>1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a
>moderator screens all messages.  That list will be used for official
>NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters
>etc.  Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the
>moderator will be posted.
>
>2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated.
>Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.
>
>3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
>substantially the form as this group where any person can post or
>read the messages.  This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any
>way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
>
>The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists
>and what will become of the present list, is still under
>consideration.  This is not at all like the WBAI situation.  Ample
>forums for debate and discussion will remain.  However, by parsing
>this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties
>who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what
>kind of information they want to receive.  Likewise, onlookers will
>be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is
>members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC.
>
>
>

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endorse republicans against working class community activists.


>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:11:36
>
>Matthew,
>
>I respect the point you are trying to make with this post. However, I feel
>strongly that you can't make such sharp judgement on the decisions made at
>Campaign general meetings (in this case re: participation in the egroups)
>when you were entirely absent from the debate. I don't know who gave you a
>report of what went down, but I disagree with your characterization of what
>happened.
>
>to clarify, the decision was to change the way that the egroup operates so
>that only members of the Campaign can make posts. as you know, the
>guidelines for becoming a member of the Campaign are extremely broad. This
>decision was discussed at length, and stemmed from many people's discontent
>with how the egroup has degenerated. I have heard from many people that 
>they
>don't feel comfortable with the tone of the discussions a lot of the time,
>and they don't feel comfortable to make posts for fear of being attacked.
>
>Regardless of your feelings on this (and we should talk about this), the
>vote was taken based on substantial debate on the matter. Frankly, I dont
>think that the decision was ideal (I myself led the proposal). but it is an
>immediate attempt to fix a problem that was actually inhibiting
>communication for the majority. this policy is not set in stone. i really
>want to hear what other people think about the state of this egroup.
>
>Anyway, I think you need to participate yourself matt in these meetings and
>discussions so that you know exactly where people are at. I'm afraid that
>there's a lot of miscommunication and misinformation being shared. i'm not
>sure where the "intellectual property" argument comes from. I also didn't
>know that you were "concerned" about BoL's expulsion. Am I right to assume
>that you felt that way when it happened back in May (i think?)?
>
>also in unity,
>Kristina
>
>
> >From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
> >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:34:06
> >
> >As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear 
>as
> >to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples'
> >Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it 
>would
> >seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members
> >are
> >likely unaware of the particulars.
> >
> >(Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed
> >meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe &
> >BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic,
> >imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have
> >been
> >shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them 
>from
> >the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this
> >domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a
> >violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic 
>&
> >bourgeois concept is it.  Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to 
>voice
> >my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when 
>banning
> >people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent 
>and
> >scientific way...remember WBAI?!
> >
> >In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows----
> >From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
> >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
> >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400
> >
> >name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the 
>discussion
> >should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the
> >nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the
> >peoples' enemies.
> >
> >republicans in the garbage can!
> >
> >joe
> >
> >
> >  >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@...>
> >  >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> >  >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>,	"Tom
> >  >DeGloma" <tdegloma@...>,	<Xavier.hansen@...>
> >  >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
> >  >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400
> >  >
> >  >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that 
>at
> >  >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural
> >matters
> >  >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all.
> >  >
> >  >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and
> >Xavier
> >  >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you 
>agree
> >to
> >  >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did
> >not
> >  >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to
> >hear
> >  >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like 
>to
> >  >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are 
>not,
> >  >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or 
>issues?
> >  >
> >  >Feel free to call on me any time.
> >  >
> >  >Peace,
> >  >
> >  >JoeMosley
> >  >745-2602
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >----- Original Message -----
> >  >From: can_bush@...
> >  >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM
> >  >To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
> >  >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must
> >  >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and
> >  >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist
> >  >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two
> >  >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are
> >  >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death?
> >  >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the
> >  >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order
> >  >to be embraced by the majority of people.
> >  >
> >  >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular -
> >  >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black
> >  >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every
> >  >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every
> >  >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers
> >  >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence
> >  >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...".
> >  >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against
> >  >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the
> >  >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the
> >  >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is
> >  >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the
> >  >united front against racist profiling develop.
> >  >
> >  >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow
> >  >particulars, which it is presently doing.   therefor it must be
> >  >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination
> >  >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of
> >  >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in
> >  >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive,
> >  >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans.
> >  >
> >  >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of
> >  >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though
> >  >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the
> >  >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or
> >  >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the
> >  >strenthening of the coalition.
> >  >
> >  >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no
> >  >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions,
> >  >comments are needed.
> >  >
> >  >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation
> >  >
> >  >joe
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and 
progress.  Period.  You fight against anything that is an objective 
limit to democracy.

I agree that blacks are oppressed in America.  Do they comprise a 
nation, though, in the strict sense of the word?  I don't think so.  

We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway.  You cannot 
base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without 
falling into totalitarianism.  In the United States, this was the 
initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument 
that it almost destroyed the country.  In fact, the extent to which 
they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was 
the extent to which white actually helped save their own country.

I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be 
essentially pre-modern.  It has no place in modern democracy.  
Sorry.  That's the way it is.  If your idea of a nation, and what you 
fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're 
just not really progressive.

Are you an internationalist?  I hope you are if you're a Marxist.  
Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing 
nation state?  Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you 
want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or 
am I misunderstanding your position?

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist 
profiling at all, 
> and not work to advance upon the current positions being put 
forward?
> 
> the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign 
slogan?) 
> is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community 
would 
> determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education, 
police, &tc. 
> by democratically controlling these institutions. self-
determination is a 
> democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit 
black 
> people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist.
> 
> do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america?
> 
> joe
> 
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not 
convinced
> >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not 
heard
> >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
> >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> >
> >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement 
about
> >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came 
up, I
> >would be against both of those lines.
> >
> >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
> >national self-determination, especially not for the "black 
nation."  I
> >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
> >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the 
issue.
> >
> >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
> >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
> >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs 
in a
> >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in 
both
> >theory and practice?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> 
wrote:
> > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > >
> > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> > > >				Press Secretary
> > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> > > >
> > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> >Campaign,
> > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all 
nationalities
> >and
> > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > >
> > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
> >Senate
> > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> > > >Verniero.
> > > >
> > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits 
a
> >hate
> > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who 
turn a
> > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > >
> > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary 
Committee
> > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that 
Justice
> > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
> >police
> > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> > > >
> > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for 
Justice
> > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of 
senators
> >from
> > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > >
> > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's 
hearings,
> >the
> > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than 
ever.
> > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian 
police
> > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes 
of
> > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > >
> > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
> >good
> > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > >
> > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
> > > >
> > > >-30-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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great work charlotte!

re: "...protest against gender[?] violence and celebration of women's 
power...", women are a "sex", no?

"freedom & equality for the oppressed sex"--Lenin

self-determination & reparations for women!

cliff


>From: "Charlotte L. Kates" <ckates@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <w_d_c@yahoogroups.com>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, 
><njfo@yahoogroups.com>, <ru_ignite@yahoogroups.com>, 
><starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com>, <caellian@...>
>Subject: [nbpc] TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:25:46 -0400
>
>Thursday, April 12, at 7 PM....TAKE BACK THE NIGHT!
>
>The annual protest against gender violence and celebration of women's power
>is returning to Rutgers next week! Women gather at Voorhees at 7 PM for
>speakers and performances, followed by the famous march down George Street,
>College Avenue, Hamilton, and Mine Street to Brower Commons. Women and men
>will meet at Brower at 10 PM for speakers and open mic!
>
>We are having one more planning meeting--this coming Monday, at 9:30 PM, in
>the Women's Center at the DCC--come if you're interested! In addition,
>T-shirts will be sold at all dining halls next week, as well as at the 
>event
>itself. They are $10 and work to support TBTN.
>
>This event is *always* important and memorable--hope to see everyone there!
>
>-charlotte
>
>
>Charlotte L. Kates****ckates@...****clkates@...
>              http://www.offlines.org/-Freedom from Scientology
>  http://members.nbci.com/justinusa/-JUSTIN: Justice International
>     Practice organized resistance and conscious acts of solidarity!
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the Democratic Leadership Council was actually built by sold-out radicals 
(Clinton & assassinated Sec. of Commerce Ron Brown)to move the Democratic 
Party away from the threat of Jesse Jackson's 80's presidential bids, toward 
Reagan republican "trickle-down-ism".




>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] corzine and the DLC
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:17:09
>
>I thought people may be interested in reading Corzine's latest position on
>the DLC and the Democratic party in general...
>
>The Nation -
>COMMENT | April 16, 2001
>
>A Time To Be Bold
>by JON CORZINE
>
>In recent months, as a newly elected senator, I have had to decide whether
>to join the Democratic Leadership Council. I have chosen not to because
>while I shared its founding purpose, which was to frame a successful
>response to President Reagan's efforts to portray Democrats as the party of
>"tax and spend," social engineering and failed personal responsibility, I
>believe that purpose has been largely accomplished.
>
>Today, I believe that it is vital for Democrats to stand up for a sharply
>defined progressive agenda--one that is committed to fighting for practical
>and progressive policies for working families and America's middle
>class--even when that means challenging powerful interests and the status
>quo. I am absolutely convinced that, standing on the foundation of fiscal
>stability that Democrats have built and to which the DLC contributed, we 
>now
>have to fight for our convictions. If we begin to negotiate from the 
>middle,
>the end result inevitably takes us to the right of where I believe our
>nation should be.
>
>Nothing is more relevant to this point than today's debate over the Bush 
>tax
>cut proposal. Democrats must remain firmly opposed to this budget-busting
>plan, which provides disproportionate benefits for the richest 1 percent of
>our population. It is relevant and essential to our argument that this tax
>cut is not only unfocused and poorly timed but also unfair. In fact, if we
>yield on fairness before the debate begins, we forfeit our fundamental
>ground. That is one reason I have proposed a tax cut that gives an 
>immediate
>break to everyone equally and is targeted toward working families.
>
>Moreover, the DLC has not convinced me that we should turn away from
>advocating an activist government--one that, for example, sees healthcare 
>as
>a basic right for all Americans. And while compromise is an acceptable end,
>too much of it too soon has led to a paralysis on fundamental concerns such
>as healthcare, gun safety, the environment and educational opportunity.
>
>The critical point to be made by progressives in our national debate is
>this: While there are programs that have failed and should be reformed or
>eliminated, proactive government has often succeeded. An activist 
>government
>was a driving force in the prosperity of the 1990s, as well as in providing
>our historic safety net, including Social Security, Medicare and Head 
>Start.
>An activist government invested in the development of the Internet and the
>space program and spurred today's technological revolution. It was
>government investment that built our highways, air transit system and much
>of our communications network. And the list goes on. Without progressive
>leadership, would segregation have been outlawed? Would women have achieved
>as much access as they now have to equal rights? The pressure for
>advancement came from grassroots progressives. That said, reform and
>progress required our government to respond and lead. We're still far from
>the ideal, as racial profiling and unequal incomes for women and minorities
>attest. There are no African-American or Latino senators, but at least 
>there
>are thirteen women senators--surely not enough, but more than there have
>ever been before. The lesson of history is clear: Equal rights for all
>depend on public action and so do equal pay, worker safety and retirement
>security. The barriers to opportunity for all don't just fall on their own.
>
>Today, the progressive agenda must address the great unfinished
>challenges--for women, for middle-class families, for minorities and the
>poor. It's a hopeful agenda rooted in ideas and our ideals. As I put it in
>my Senate campaign, "Everyone ought to have the same access to the American
>promise I've had." America must be a society of equal opportunity and equal
>protection before the law. So I believe the progressive agenda of our party
>is more important than ever. And the principle that should guide us is
>clear: While we can't achieve equal outcomes, we can and must assure equal
>opportunity.
>
>We also have to articulate the truth that advancing social and economic
>justice advances everyone's prosperity. We need to challenge the special
>interests that would limit the rights of labor and the opportunities of
>women and minorities, because we need all the talents of all our people to
>achieve maximum productivity and growth. We need to challenge the health
>insurance industry and finally win the battle for universal access to
>healthcare, because it is morally right and economically rational. Just
>because conservatives have demonized the term "universal healthcare" we
>should not walk away from that battle for the sake of a calculated centrism
>that splits the difference between right and wrong.
>
>When I was a candidate, the polls said that the majority of New Jersey
>voters disagreed with my opposition to the death penalty. I'm grateful the
>voters respected that I said what I believed even when it wasn't popular. 
>As
>progressives, we must be ready to do that. Most of the progressive
>agenda--healthcare, the environment, gun safety, a progressive tax policy--
>reflects the values and the ideals of the majority of our people. They will
>vote for our agenda if we present it in practical terms and fight for it.
>
>So while I respect the contribution of the DLC and while I respect its
>leaders, I'm not ready to join. The answer to "compassionate conservatism"
>isn't timid progressivism. It's a real commitment to equal opportunity, to
>fiscal responsibility and a fair society. We can and must be a party with
>the courage to stand tall for our beliefs because that's how we will be 
>able
>to win as the party of the people.
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produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis.

the remarks of him co-operating with the j&j & their political machine came 
from curtis' mouth, not ours.


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:41:36
>
>
>
>
>From: Julie Poulos
>To: vivaohio@...
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Matthew,
>I agree wholeheartedly that intellectual debate in the spirit of unity
>should be encouraged and never stifled. I think that you are looking
>at this situation outside of the realistic context in which it exists.
>First, let me say, that I believe that frequently, arguments of words
>can only go so far, and that often, there comes a point where
>individual interpretations give rise to different viewpoints,
>viewpoints that cannot necessarily be proven �scientifically� with
>words, but only through practice (otherwise, the ontological argument
>would hold water and all the atheists would have to admit to the
>existence of God.) In order to accept the �science� of the argument,
>one must agree to the assumed terms of the arguer (which, like it or
>not, ALWAYS exist). Just as in our circular verbal �struggle� within
>NJFO, I believe that we have reached a point that can only be resolved
>through practice.
>As for the current state of the egroups �struggle�, it has come to a
>point of �Is so!� , �Is not!� or �Yeah Huh!�, �Na Uh!�, if you ask me.
>As Keith pointed out at the general meeting on Saturday, he has
>responded to BOL/SWORD �very intelligently� and they still persist with
>their slanderous accusations that Curtis is working for the machine &
>J&J. THIS IS NEITHER INTELLECTUAL DEBATE NOR STRUGGLE IN THE SPIRIT OF
>UNITY. In fact, I believe that this situation actually serves to
>stifle real debate by alienating many people who are being exposed to
>the concept of democratic struggle for the first time, just as the
>people who attended the first post-election NJFO meeting were alienated
>by the screaming, yelling, and arguing that resembled a WWF match
>moreso than real intellectual political debate. People feel that if
>they post anything they are opening themselves up to personal attacks.
>I personally am less interested in �engaging� BOL/SWORD in their
>child-like antics, and more concerned with creating a welcoming
>environment where people willing to commit to the principles of the
>People�s Campaign can voice concerns, questions, AND dissent, given it
>is done so in a manner that examines reality, practice, and with a
>spirit of respect and unity.
>Additionally, if BOL/SWORD wish to continue with their slandering of
>Curtis, I believe they have every right to do so. But they should not
>be allowed to continue to do it in a forum that represents their ideas
>as that of the Campaign, just as they should not be allowed to post
>such ideas on a flyer in the name of the People�s Campaign.
>In the true spirit of unity that you, in part, taught me,
>Julie
>PS - Feel free to post this to the group. I only sent it to you
>because we it has been said numerous times to only reply to the
>individual if we are replying to an individual.
>--- Matthew Smith wrote:
> >Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others 
>are
> >doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I
> >maintain my vote of dissent on this issue. Legalese aside, it all amounts
> >to about the same thing...
> >
> >To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 
>1
> >& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay
> >
> >abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third
> >unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent
> >token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences. This
> >model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official
> >members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we
> >must have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible
> >organizational models rooted in existing community networks and
> >institutions)
> >
> >Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do
> >with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you
> >still willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a
> >hundred flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?") This
> >legal
> >
> >bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not 
>secure
> >the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are
> >diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.
> >
> >I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's
> >dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction 
>on
> >the part of the NBPC. Is this or is this not a united front? & if so,
> >should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary 
>positions
> >of all sort to be aired? Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad
> >argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we
> >do our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community 
>along
> >side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for
> >themselves what ideas work best for them. But if we continue to set the
> >precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end 
>up
> >like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI
> >Radio.
> >
> >
> >----Original Message Follows---- From: Groovemeister007@... 
>Reply-To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
> >
> >Matt:
> >
> >I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding egroups
> >taken on Saturday. In order to safeguard the good name of the New 
>Brunswick
> >People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing, in accordance with
> >principles of intellectual property and trademark law, the membership, 
>with
> >two members dissenting, and one abstaining, decided that:
> >
> >1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a moderator
> >screens all messages. That list will be used for official NBPC
> >communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters etc. Any
> >person can read that list but only messages approved by the moderator 
>will
> >be posted.
> >
> >2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated. Only 
>NBPC
> >members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.
> >
> >3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
> >substantially the form as this group where any person can post or read 
>the
> >messages. This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any way and
> >presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
> >
> >The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists and
> >what will become of the present list, is still under consideration. This 
>is
> >not at all like the WBAI situation. Ample forums for debate and 
>discussion
> >will remain. However, by parsing this group into different forums, NBPC
> >members and interested parties who choose to communicate by email will be
> >able to better manage what kind of information they want to receive.
> >Likewise, onlookers will be able to make a clear distinction between what
> >is official, what is members' debate, and what is other discussion
> >concerning NBPC.
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self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and the only 
"concrete" political basis for national equality.

to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.

scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.


>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
>
>Joe,
>
>As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced
>of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not heard
>a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
>think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
>
>The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement about
>reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came up, I
>would be against both of those lines.
>
>As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
>national self-determination, especially not for the "black nation."  I
>reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
>for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the issue.
>
>In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
>members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
>the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs in a
>press statement on police brutality, something we are against in both
>theory and practice?
>
>Jim
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> >
> >
> > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > >
> > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> > >				Press Secretary
> > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> > >? 732/735-1342
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > >
> > >
> > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> > >
> > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
>Campaign,
> > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> > >supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities
>and
> > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > >
> > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
>Senate
> > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> > >Verniero.
> > >
> > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a
>hate
> > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a
> > >blind eye to such acts.
> > >
> > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee
> > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice
> > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
>police
> > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> > >
> > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice
> > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators
>from
> > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > >
> > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings,
>the
> > >need for community control over police is now more acute than ever.
> > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> > >community control, including democratically elected civilian police
> > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of
> > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > >
> > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
>good
> > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > >
> > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
> > >
> > >-30-
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> 1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the 
blame for 
> slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This 
designated a 
> black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political 
representation 
> purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by 
mandating that 
> all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to 
their 
> masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court 
> reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were 
taken in 
> the United States.

"The U.S. government" was largely comprised of dead Southern 
planters.  Please keep that in mind.  There were more Southern states 
than Northern States, and the Supreme Court was made up of more 
justices from the South than from the North.  

Simple reasoning here would lead one to see that the government was 
in the hands of a reactionary, pre-modern clique.  

When modernity triumphed over pre-modernity in the U.S., THEN the 
government betrayed the revolution by throwing power back into the 
hands of the states.  

Do you want to punish the U.S. government for that betrayal?  Is that 
what you're going to argue here?  

> 
> 
> 2. Major institutions profited from slavery. In October, the 
California 
> state legislature passed a bill requiring insurance companies to 
disclose 
> whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This was recognition 
that 
> insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The 
insurance 
> industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and 
investment 
> houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases, 
> investments in Southern land and products, and the transport, and 
sale of 
> slaves.

Here's a tip:  The whole damn world benefitted from the products of 
slavery.  Where do you think all the workers in Europe got the cotton 
for their clothes?

> 
> 
> 3. Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A 
report 
> by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington 
D.C. 
> public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major 
economic 
> and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more 
likely to 
> live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business 
and 
> housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash 
starved, 
> failing public schools than whites.

Sure, but then again, the black middle class has grown steadily while 
the white middle class has been shrinking.

What happens when a impoverished black becomes middle class?  He or 
she moves out, right?  I don't see how you can blame a person for 
wanting to leave the ghetto.  But the reality is that it changes the 
social relations when black professionals leave a community.  And as 
you'll find out if you debate me rather than posting information to 
me (I can go find information myself), I believe social relations are 
the problem and not simply *money*.

> 
> 
> 4. There's a direct cost for slavery's legacy. Former Federal 
Reserve Board 
> Chairman Andrew Brimmer estimates that discrimination costs blacks 
$10 
> billion yearly through the black-white wage gap, denial of capital 
access, 
> inadequate public services, and reduced social security and other 
government 
> benefits. This has been called the "black tax."

Yep.  Largely racism has not diminished at all since the 60s.  I 
mean, people lie about it.  They say they're not racist, because they 
have been told it is wrong to say racist things.  But if you get them 
to express their true opinions on people of other colored skin, 
they'll tell you that they're prejudiced.  A group of psychology 
students from University of California did an experiment like this 
back in 80s I think where they went around, trying to gauge people in 
words and actions how they feel about ... THE OTHER.  Well, needless 
to say, on the questionaires they were all "tolerant" and whatnot, 
but when it came down to anonymous action, a diner owner would deny 
service to a person simply on the basis of ... the color of their 
skin.

So don't just blame the U.S. government.  There would appear to be an 
endemic cultural problem of racism in this country that is not simply 
reducible to money signs.

> 
> 
> 5. The U.S. government has shelled out billions since the 1960s to 
pay for 
> resettlement, job training, education, and health programs for 
refugees 
> fleeing Communist repression. Politicians and the majority of the 
public 
> enthusiastically backed these payments as the morally and legally 
right 
> thing to do.
> 
> 
> 6. The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most 
Americans 
> admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked 
severe pain 
> and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, 
Oakland, and Los 
> Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions 
> supporting a federal commission to study reparations. Also, there 
was no 
> national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity 
payments, 
> provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans 
interned 
> during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and 
mineral 
> rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army 
during 
> World War II.

Well, I'm not concerned about making whites hate blacks any more than 
they do.

I'm not arguing this from the point of view of somebody who says, "To 
hell with blacks.  I'm not paying for them..."  I'm arguing from the 
point of view of somebody who has a genuine interest in seeing the 
disappearance of racism, but I just don't think reparations are the 
way to do it.

> 
> 
> 7. No legislation has been proposed that mandates taxpayers pay 
billions to 
> blacks. A bill by Michigan Democrat John Conyers that has 
languished in 
> Congress since 1993 simply establishes a commission to study the 
effects of 
> slavery. The estimated cost is less than $10 million.

You're not just talking about the effects of studying slavery.  
You're talking about paying a large sum of money to poor blacks.

Question: Why were there never reparations for the Irish?  

The answer is tied in largely to what the *real* problem of racism 
against blacks is in the U.S.  That it's *not* just money.  It's a 
question of national identity and social relations.

> 
> 
> 8. There is a precedent for paying blacks for past legal and moral 
wrongs. 
> In 1997 Clinton apologized and the U.S. government paid $10 million 
to the 
> black survivors and family members victimized by the syphilis 
experiment 
> conducted in the 1930's by the U.S. Public Health Service. In 1994, 
the 
> Florida legislature agreed to make payments to the survivors and 
relatives 
> of those who lost their lives and property when a white mob 
destroyed the 
> all-black town of Rosewood in 1923. The carnage was tacitly 
condoned by 
> public officials and law enforcement officers. The Oklahoma state 
> legislature is currently considering reparations payments to the 
survivors 
> and their descendants of the destruction of black neighborhoods in 
Tulsa by 
> white mobs in 1921.
> 
> 
> 9. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and other mega-rich 
blacks will 
> not receive a penny in reparations. Any tax money to redress black 
suffering 
> should go into a fund to bolster funding for AIDS/HIV education and 
> prevention, underfinanced inner-city public schools, to expand job 
skills 
> and training, drug and alcohol counseling and rehabilitation, 
computer 
> access and literacy training programs, and to improve public 
services for 
> the estimated one in four blacks still trapped in poverty.
> 
> 
> 10. Thirty years ago a writer passionately argued that the U.S. 
government 
> has kept the "black ghettos in a colonial status since 
Reconstruction" and 
> refused to meet the "most basic political and economic demands of 
the black 
> movement." That writer was David Horowitz. He made the argument in 
his book, 
> Empire and Revolution, a blistering indictment of the U.S. 
government. 
> Radical hyperbole notwithstanding, Horowitz recognized then that 
America 
> owed a debt to black America for past and present sins. It still 
does.

"& their hoses won't be worth a dime...

for the fire next time!"


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, mcrockford@..., 
>djbender@..., unlockingexits@..., renren59@..., 
>sztamke@..., kvt@..., NatBender@..., 
>traceyx@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Long Live the Court Tavern!
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:10:49
>
>
>Hey folks- the Court Tavern has a long and storied history of struggling 
>and
>against the grain of the NB Machine and for positive culture, and so far 
>its
>been survival...for decades, they have built up networks of local
>progressive artists and activism.  My advice is to contact Bobby and ask 
>him
>what sort of help they need...and look to bring the Court on board the
>broader struggle against this gentrification by talking it up with the
>regulars.  But approached it in an organized way (as opposed to hald a 
>dozen
>people running to him with a dozen plans for action) so that Bobby & Co.
>feels that by working with us it will better their chance for continued
>survival rather than feeling that their establishment will be jeopordized
>further, as has happened in the past.  It's a great opportunity to bridge a
>gap between what is left of the more passive progressive/artistic NB
>community & the working class neighborhoods...
>
>"They'll damn sure feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the 
>heat...when
>the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>-the late & timeless Mark Bradely, NB singer/songwriter
>
>Matthew
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:53:35 -0400
>
>good work alyssa, there will definitely be a chance for the public to 
>speak,
>plus bobby alverez, owner of tavern, will be there to question city's
>motives. it should be tied to the overall attack on arts and culture that 
>is
>taking place in New Brunswick in order to gain support base for arguement.
>
>joe
>
>
>  >From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...>
>  >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>  >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>  >Subject: [nbpc] City Council Meeting Tonite
>  >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
>  >
>  >The Home News reported this morning that the court
>  >tavern fears that it will have to close its doors to
>  >city redevelopers who want to build an office on the
>  >corner of Church and Spring Streets.
>  >
>  >We are looking for a volunteer to attend the city
>  >council meeting tonight where there will be a vote on
>  >this issue. Possibly there will be a chance to talk
>  >about the Peoples Campaign feelings about city
>  >redevelopment.
>  >
>  >the meeting is tonight at 7pm at City Hall on Bayard
>  >St.
>  >
>  >Please let us know if you can attend by an email on
>  >the egroups.
>  >
>  >thanks
>  >alyssa joy
>  >steering commitee rep for the women's caucus
>  >
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from the predictions of Prophet Paul McGee:

"next SWORD will demand community control over cyberspace..."

hmm

>From: "Keith Joseph" <keithjoseph99@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] lsit serve expulsions
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:21:36 -0000
>
>Kris and whoever else may be interested,
>
>I explained to Matt the decision that took place at the last PC meeting to
>turn the list serve into an exclusive list. This was done for the expressed
>purpose to expel block on lock from the discussion but it also expels 
>anyone
>who is not a member of the campaign. Non-members currently make up the
>overwhelming majority of New Brunswick residents. Flavio made and repeated
>on this list the argument that proceeds from a principle of intellectual
>property rights and trademark rights:
>
>" In order to safeguard the good name of
>the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
>in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
>law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining..."
>
>In my opinion this decision makes a mockery of any claims to democracy.
>Flavio is without doubt a brilliant legal mind, but he has not yet learned
>to view bourgeois law critically though he has clearly mastered it. The
>notion of "Intellectual property rights" while resting on sound footing in
>terms of bourgeois law are diametrically opposed to even basic principles 
>of
>humanism and much more people's or revolutionary democracy. Human advance 
>be
>it technological, productive, or intellectual is the collective heritage 
>and
>birthright of every single person on the planet. No one person creates
>anything. For instance Jimi Hendrix's music is not possible on the one hand
>without the blues and on the other without an electeric guitar, which is 
>not
>possible without work songs on the one hand and electricity on the other.
>All of this requires a certain level of development. The People's Campaign
>should be taking strong positions against the whole idea of intellectual
>property rights and certainly not employing it as a trump over open debate.
>Once again issues of ownership, control, and a proprietary attitude are at
>the fore. This is the opposite attitude needed if the Campaign is going to
>be a vehicle for working people in New Brunswick.
>
>In my opinion the decision at the last meeting was shameful. There is a
>principle at hand here but it has nothing to do with property rights...
>or maybe it does...
>
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Self-determination is a basic democratic right?  

So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. down 
here, that's ok?

Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm 
not following.  

I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical 
democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get 
reparations out of this?

And show me how rejecting national self-determination and reparations 
makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.  

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:
> self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and 
the only 
> "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> 
> to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> 
> scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> 
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not 
convinced
> >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not 
heard
> >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
> >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> >
> >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement 
about
> >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came 
up, I
> >would be against both of those lines.
> >
> >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
> >national self-determination, especially not for the "black 
nation."  I
> >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
> >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the 
issue.
> >
> >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
> >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
> >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs 
in a
> >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in 
both
> >theory and practice?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> 
wrote:
> > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > >
> > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> > > >				Press Secretary
> > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> > > >
> > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> >Campaign,
> > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all 
nationalities
> >and
> > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > >
> > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
> >Senate
> > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> > > >Verniero.
> > > >
> > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits 
a
> >hate
> > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who 
turn a
> > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > >
> > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary 
Committee
> > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that 
Justice
> > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
> >police
> > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> > > >
> > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for 
Justice
> > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of 
senators
> >from
> > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > >
> > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's 
hearings,
> >the
> > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than 
ever.
> > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian 
police
> > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes 
of
> > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > >
> > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
> >good
> > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > >
> > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
> > > >
> > > >-30-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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pro-republican fascist censorship

or

working-class anti-imperialism?

tick, tick, tick...


>From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] listserve
>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 07:42:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>My opinion on the listserve has nothing to do with
>intellectual property rights but the desire to keep
>people interested in the campaign on the listserve, so
>that the list can serve its function as a place where
>people concerned about the campaign can discuss it.
>
>Over the last few weeks I noticed the following:  1.
>It has been brought to my attention that members are
>leaving the listserve because it has become dominated
>by the antagonisms largely of a few people not even in
>the campaign 2. The machine is printing out and
>sharing everything we write, and alot of it is not
>representative of the campaign. One member brought up
>this concern and we had a full discussion of this in
>women's caucus.  3. The last anonymous obscene posting
>was the last straw for me.  At the very least people
>should stand for what they post on this site.
>
>The need to address the listserve has been brought
>forward by members in the campaign.  At the last
>meeting, we tried to address it.
>
>I opposed a moderator because that to me is the direct
>practice of censorship.  What other approaches do we
>have than setting up 3 lists, so that each person
>concerned about the campaign can be a part of
>information sharing and discussion to the greatest
>extent possible?  I am open to other solutions, but
>the problem of #1. above is of greatest concern to me
>and my understanding is it must be addressed so people
>in the campaign remain involved in discussion.
>
>Weve got alot of huge, critical decisions coming up
>and I have no idea how we will make informed decisions
>without informed discussion.  I feel extremely
>uncomfortable making any of the upcoming decisions
>without all of us receiving more information and
>exploring all the issues, to the point where I think
>we shouldnt vote on them until we have discussed them
>thoroughly, and that means not just a few people,
>those who propose these ideas or are in leadership
>positions, but as much of the membership as possible.
>
>Any other ideas about ways to have this listserve be a
>more broadly accessible forum for discussion?
>Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone has such a
>high tolerance for antagonism as those who have been
>dominating this list.
>
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viva peoples' cuba!


>From: hajdukmi@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>CC: aspirito70@..., rbender65@..., Funkhouser@..., 
>mcrockford@..., citruswar@..., djbender@..., 
>unlockingexits@..., emilio@..., bigjuba@..., 
>renren59@..., sztamke@..., kmyers@..., OH_G@..., 
>MeadHajduk@..., essenjovu@..., msda_msmith@..., 
>hajdukmi@..., monicaroses@..., NatBender@..., 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, traceyx@..., 
>vspirito@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Americans Arrive To Study in Cuba
>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:29:48 -0400
>
>
>Americans Arrive To Study in Cuba
>The Associated Press, Wed 4 Apr 2001
>
>HAVANA (AP) ? A U.S. flag was flown and the American anthem was played 
>Wednesday as Cuba welcomed eight young Americans arriving here to study
>medicine courtesy of the communist government.
>
>The six women and two men from minority families arrived in Havana late 
>Tuesday. They are the first Americans to attend a free six-year program to
>become physicians originally designed for impoverished students in Latin 
>America.
>
>President Fidel Castro offered to extend the free medical training to 
>include up to 500 Americans when he met last May with a delegation from the
>Congressional Black Caucus.
>
>``It would be hard for your government to oppose such a program,'' Castro 
>told the U.S. lawmakers at the time. ``It would be a trial for them.
>Morally, how could they refuse?''
>
>The U.S. State Department later said it would not oppose the program, 
>saying that it had been American policy to encourage contact between 
>ordinary
>Cubans and Americans.
>
>``This is a modest beginning to a revolutionary and visionary idea,'' said 
>the Rev. Lucius Walker, head of the U.S. organization Pastors for Peace,
>which regularly brings medicine and other humanitarian aid to the Caribbean 
>island.
>
>``We are confident that you will open your arms and your hearts and receive 
>our children as your own,'' Walker told Cubans attending a small welcoming
>  ceremony on Wednesday at the Latin American School of Medicine.
>
>``This is an opportunity for me to study medicine and become a great doctor 
>while learning about the Cuban medical system,'' said Karima Mosi, 22, of
>San Diego.
>
>``I understand that the medical school in Cuba is among the best in Latin 
>America and the world, so I have no reservations about my education,'' Mosi
>said.
>
>The Americans join more than 4,000 other students from 24 other nations in 
>Latin America, the Caribbean and Africa who now attend classes at the
>medical school, which opened two years ago.
>
>When commenting last November on Cuba's proposed program for American 
>medical students, the U.S. State Department noted that it was unclear 
>whether
>Americans who receive training in Cuba will be able to meet licensing 
>requirements once they return home.
>
>Many Cuban physicians who emigrate to the United States have had difficulty 
>obtaining permission to practice.
>
>Cuba also proposed sending its own doctors to poor areas of the United 
>States as part of the program, but the State Department said the idea was
>rejected.
>
>Cuba has a surplus of doctors and dispatches thousands abroad each year to 
>work in other developing countries.
>
>Shortages of basic medicines have been acute in recent years in Cuba, 
>particularly in the decade since the collapse of the Soviet Union ? once 
>the
>island's principal trading partner.
>
>Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved.
>This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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princeton ran this ad, to no vocal outcry.

the mason/dixon line runs through nj...

death to the klan.


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Ten Reasons for Reparations
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:16:46
>
>Ten Reasons for Reparations
>Earl Ofari Hutchinson, AlterNet
>April 3, 2001
>Viewed on April 6, 2001
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Conservative muckraker David Horowitz has been verbally mugged for peddling
>an ad to college newspapers giving ten reasons why reparations are racist.
>But the name callers have done little more than canonize Horowitz as a
>martyr for truth and free speech. Even worse, they've failed miserably to
>tell why reparations merit a serious look. There are ten compelling reasons
>it does.
>
>
>1. The U.S. government, not long dead Southern planters, bears the blame 
>for
>slavery. It encoded it in the Constitution in article one. This designated 
>a
>black slave as three-fifths of a person for tax and political 
>representation
>purposes. It protected and nourished it in article four by mandating that
>all escaped slaves found anywhere in the nation be returned to their
>masters. In the Dred Scott decision in 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court
>reaffirmed that slaves remained slaves no matter where they were taken in
>the United States.
>
>
>2. Major institutions profited from slavery. In October, the California
>state legislature passed a bill requiring insurance companies to disclose
>whether they wrote policies insuring slaves. This was recognition that
>insurance companies made profits insuring slaves as property. The insurance
>industry was not the only culprit. Banks, shipping companies, and 
>investment
>houses also made enormous profits from financing slave purchases,
>investments in Southern land and products, and the transport, and sale of
>slaves.
>
>
>3. Slavery ended in 1865 but the legacy of slavery still remains. A report
>by the National Conference for Community and Justice, a Washington D.C.
>public policy group in 2000, found that blacks are still the major economic
>and social victims of racial discrimination. They are far more likely to
>live in underserved segregated neighborhoods, be refused business and
>housing loans, be denied promotions in corporations and attend cash 
>starved,
>failing public schools than whites.
>
>
>4. There's a direct cost for slavery's legacy. Former Federal Reserve Board
>Chairman Andrew Brimmer estimates that discrimination costs blacks $10
>billion yearly through the black-white wage gap, denial of capital access,
>inadequate public services, and reduced social security and other 
>government
>benefits. This has been called the "black tax."
>
>
>5. The U.S. government has shelled out billions since the 1960s to pay for
>resettlement, job training, education, and health programs for refugees
>fleeing Communist repression. Politicians and the majority of the public
>enthusiastically backed these payments as the morally and legally right
>thing to do.
>
>
>6. The reparations issue will not fuel more hatred of blacks. Most 
>Americans
>admit that slavery was a morally monstrous system that wreaked severe pain
>and suffering on America. City councils in Chicago, Dallas, Oakland, and 
>Los
>Angeles, and other cities in the past year have passed resolutions
>supporting a federal commission to study reparations. Also, there was no
>national outcry when the U.S. government made special indemnity payments,
>provided land and social service benefits to Japanese-Americans interned
>during World War II, Native-Americans for the theft of lands and mineral
>rights, and Philippine veterans who fought with the American army during
>World War II.
>
>
>7. No legislation has been proposed that mandates taxpayers pay billions to
>blacks. A bill by Michigan Democrat John Conyers that has languished in
>Congress since 1993 simply establishes a commission to study the effects of
>slavery. The estimated cost is less than $10 million.
>
>
>8. There is a precedent for paying blacks for past legal and moral wrongs.
>In 1997 Clinton apologized and the U.S. government paid $10 million to the
>black survivors and family members victimized by the syphilis experiment
>conducted in the 1930's by the U.S. Public Health Service. In 1994, the
>Florida legislature agreed to make payments to the survivors and relatives
>of those who lost their lives and property when a white mob destroyed the
>all-black town of Rosewood in 1923. The carnage was tacitly condoned by
>public officials and law enforcement officers. The Oklahoma state
>legislature is currently considering reparations payments to the survivors
>and their descendants of the destruction of black neighborhoods in Tulsa by
>white mobs in 1921.
>
>
>9. Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, Michael Jordan and other mega-rich blacks 
>will
>not receive a penny in reparations. Any tax money to redress black 
>suffering
>should go into a fund to bolster funding for AIDS/HIV education and
>prevention, underfinanced inner-city public schools, to expand job skills
>and training, drug and alcohol counseling and rehabilitation, computer
>access and literacy training programs, and to improve public services for
>the estimated one in four blacks still trapped in poverty.
>
>
>10. Thirty years ago a writer passionately argued that the U.S. government
>has kept the "black ghettos in a colonial status since Reconstruction" and
>refused to meet the "most basic political and economic demands of the black
>movement." That writer was David Horowitz. He made the argument in his 
>book,
>Empire and Revolution, a blistering indictment of the U.S. government.
>Radical hyperbole notwithstanding, Horowitz recognized then that America
>owed a debt to black America for past and present sins. It still does.
>
>
>Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the President of The National Alliance for 
>Positive
>Action and the author of The Disappearance of Black Leadership (Middle
>Passage Press).
>
>
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"In fact, the extent to which they moved to make[!?!] blacks a part of the 
United States democracy was the extent to which white actually helped save 
their own country."

the US (usurers/savages-AB) has never been a democracy.
death to imperialism.


>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000
>
>You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and
>progress.  Period.  You fight against anything that is an objective
>limit to democracy.
>
>I agree that blacks are oppressed in America.  Do they comprise a
>nation, though, in the strict sense of the word?  I don't think so.
>
>We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway.  You cannot
>base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without
>falling into totalitarianism.  In the United States, this was the
>initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument
>that it almost destroyed the country.  In fact, the extent to which
>they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was
>the extent to which white actually helped save their own country.
>
>I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be
>essentially pre-modern.  It has no place in modern democracy.
>Sorry.  That's the way it is.  If your idea of a nation, and what you
>fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're
>just not really progressive.
>
>Are you an internationalist?  I hope you are if you're a Marxist.
>Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing
>nation state?  Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you
>want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or
>am I misunderstanding your position?
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist
>profiling at all,
> > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put
>forward?
> >
> > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign
>slogan?)
> > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community
>would
> > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education,
>police, &tc.
> > by democratically controlling these institutions. self-
>determination is a
> > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit
>black
> > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist.
> >
> > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america?
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > >
> > >Joe,
> > >
> > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
>convinced
> > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
>heard
> > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
> > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > >
> > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
>about
> > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
>up, I
> > >would be against both of those lines.
> > >
> > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
> > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
>nation."  I
> > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
> > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
>issue.
> > >
> > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
> > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
> > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs
>in a
> > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in
>both
> > >theory and practice?
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>wrote:
> > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> > > > >
> > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > >Campaign,
> > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
>nationalities
> > >and
> > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > >
> > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
> > >Senate
> > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> > > > >Verniero.
> > > > >
> > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits
>a
> > >hate
> > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
>turn a
> > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > >
> > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
>Committee
> > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
>Justice
> > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
> > >police
> > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> > > > >
> > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
>Justice
> > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
>senators
> > >from
> > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > >
> > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
>hearings,
> > >the
> > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than
>ever.
> > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian
>police
> > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes
>of
> > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > >
> > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
> > >good
> > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > >
> > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > >
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thoughtful tribute & analysis.

mark played every benefit & rally he was available for.  ill never forget 
his shows. & viva the court tavern (aka "club foot")!

one of mark's closest musical comrades and longtime court tavern musician, 
greg digesu, also formerly of the area, now in NYC, will be returning sat 
apr. 14th to play the court with his new band "speedsters & dopers".

it should prove to be somewhat of a court re-union, &tc.

cultural revolution against imperialism!
peoples' art!

>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: aspirito70@..., rbender65@..., Funkhouser@..., 
>mcrockford@..., citruswar@..., djbender@..., 
>unlockingexits@..., emilio@..., bigjuba@..., 
>renren59@..., sztamke@..., kmyers@..., OH_G@..., 
>MeadHajduk@..., essenjovu@..., msda_msmith@..., 
>hajdukmi@..., monicaroses@..., NatBender@..., 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, traceyx@..., 
>vspirito@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:34
>
>
>Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
>
>
>One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
>New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
>was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
>everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley.  They talked about him like 
>he
>was the local Bob Dylan.  I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
>when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
>whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
>asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..."  For the next few years 
>I
>spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
>events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & 
>musicians
>who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
>the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
>everyone was missing so deeply.  There was a spirit there, and a
>consiousness...an awareness and a song.  Mark Bradley, though I never met
>him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
>had otherwise.  I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
>never even met him.  Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
>should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
>while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
>mist........  Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began 
>for
>me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
>under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
>can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
>frankenstein buildings makes me numb!  We see it all around us in NB.
>Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
>bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
>to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
>wonder where they go.  So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
>who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face.  & my
>question is, what are we going to do about it?  I don't have any easy
>answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
>loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
>if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
>
>"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
>when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>
>              -the late and timeless Mark Bradely
>
>...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
>
>                "Down with the Multinationals!"
>
>--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----original message-----
>
>From: Tom Murphy
>Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
>
>For everyone who might be interested to know.....
>
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
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the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-determination & 
the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is the 
ideology of Trooper Profiling.

you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy means those 
oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban centers, 
and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the right to 
politically & economically control those areas in which they are the 
plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they have never 
done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples in US.

you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand 
community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the heart of 
the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve problems".

you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist terror. the 
"modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden scheme.  where 
is the 40acres & mule?

Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common geographic 
area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by Joe 
Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.

self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!

self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!

people vs. imperialism



>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
>
>Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
>
>So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. down
>here, that's ok?
>
>Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
>not following.
>
>I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
>democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
>reparations out of this?
>
>And show me how rejecting national self-determination and reparations
>makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
> > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
>the only
> > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> >
> > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> >
> > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> >
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > >
> > >Joe,
> > >
> > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
>convinced
> > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
>heard
> > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
> > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > >
> > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
>about
> > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
>up, I
> > >would be against both of those lines.
> > >
> > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
> > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
>nation."  I
> > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
> > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
>issue.
> > >
> > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
> > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
> > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs
>in a
> > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in
>both
> > >theory and practice?
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>wrote:
> > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
> > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
> > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
> > > > >
> > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > >Campaign,
> > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
> > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
>nationalities
> > >and
> > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > >
> > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
> > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
> > >Senate
> > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
> > > > >Verniero.
> > > > >
> > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits
>a
> > >hate
> > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
> > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
>turn a
> > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > >
> > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
> > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
>Committee
> > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
>Justice
> > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
> > >police
> > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
> > > > >
> > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
> > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
>Justice
> > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
>senators
> > >from
> > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > >
> > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
> > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
>hearings,
> > >the
> > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than
>ever.
> > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
> > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian
>police
> > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes
>of
> > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > >
> > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
> > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
> > >good
> > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > >
> > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
> > > > >
> > > > >-30-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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very good, & hope you will attend the statewide mtg in trenton--4pm, sat, 
imani community ctr, 2 prospect st.  call to carpool 214.8828.

& the nb organizing mtg--1pm, sun, public library.

most important is to finance buses ($275per), and to quickly(!) network to 
sign-up marchers.

also, now that republicans are endorsing our demands, we should probably 
rachet them up.

self-determination & reparations for oppressed nations.

btw--democracy in itself will not end imperialism/national oppression.  
rather expose it fully.  what we need is "community control over the means 
of production", the peoples' dictatorship.


>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
>
>				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
>				Press Secretary
>				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
>? 732/735-1342
>
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign,
>a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
>supporters, which includes local residents from all nationalities and
>socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
>
>	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
>the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State Senate
>is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
>Verniero.
>
>	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
>brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits a hate
>crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
>punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who turn a
>blind eye to such acts.
>
>	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
>those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee
>has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that Justice
>Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state police
>and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
>
>	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
>New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for Justice
>Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of senators from
>the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
>
>	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
>to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings, the
>need for community control over police is now more acute than ever.
>NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
>community control, including democratically elected civilian police
>review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes of
>racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
>
>	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
>advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are good
>conscience, to support these efforts.
>
>	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
>
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Do I look like a telephone poll or a bulletin board to you?

Then why are you posting slogans to me?

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:
> "In fact, the extent to which they moved to make[!?!] blacks a part 
of the 
> United States democracy was the extent to which white actually 
helped save 
> their own country."
> 
> the US (usurers/savages-AB) has never been a democracy.
> death to imperialism.
> 
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000
> >
> >You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy 
and
> >progress.  Period.  You fight against anything that is an objective
> >limit to democracy.
> >
> >I agree that blacks are oppressed in America.  Do they comprise a
> >nation, though, in the strict sense of the word?  I don't think so.
> >
> >We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway.  You cannot
> >base a nation on color difference or on religious difference 
without
> >falling into totalitarianism.  In the United States, this was the
> >initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument
> >that it almost destroyed the country.  In fact, the extent to which
> >they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was
> >the extent to which white actually helped save their own country.
> >
> >I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be
> >essentially pre-modern.  It has no place in modern democracy.
> >Sorry.  That's the way it is.  If your idea of a nation, and what 
you
> >fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then 
you're
> >just not really progressive.
> >
> >Are you an internationalist?  I hope you are if you're a Marxist.
> >Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing
> >nation state?  Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you
> >want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or
> >am I misunderstanding your position?
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> 
wrote:
> > > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist
> >profiling at all,
> > > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put
> >forward?
> > >
> > > the question of "community control" (if that is still the 
campaign
> >slogan?)
> > > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community
> >would
> > > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education,
> >police, &tc.
> > > by democratically controlling these institutions. self-
> >determination is a
> > > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will 
admit
> >black
> > > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to 
exist.
> > >
> > > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in 
america?
> > >
> > > joe
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Joe,
> > > >
> > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> >convinced
> > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> >heard
> > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I 
can
> > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > >
> > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> >about
> > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> >up, I
> > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > >
> > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot 
condone
> > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> >nation."  I
> > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
determination
> > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> >issue.
> > > >
> > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or 
the
> > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have 
never had
> > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it 
belongs
> >in a
> > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against 
in
> >both
> > > >theory and practice?
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S 
CAMPAIGN
> > > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, 
NJ 08903
> > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S 
OUSTER
> > > > > >
> > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > >Campaign,
> > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and 
their
> > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> >nationalities
> > > >and
> > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly 
welcomes
> > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey 
State
> > > >Senate
> > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice 
Peter
> > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, 
commits
> >a
> > > >hate
> > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and 
severe
> > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> >turn a
> > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent 
with
> > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> >Committee
> > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> >Justice
> > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the 
state
> > > >police
> > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful 
practice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls 
upon the
> > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> >Justice
> > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> >senators
> > > >from
> > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been 
revealed
> > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> >hearings,
> > > >the
> > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute 
than
> >ever.
> > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes 
that
> > > > > >community control, including democratically elected 
civilian
> >police
> > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate 
crimes
> >of
> > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is 
already
> > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if 
they are
> > > >good
> > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 
732/514-0610
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-30-
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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             Standing by her man: Former New Jersey Gov. Christie 
Whitman expressed her continued support for the man at the
            center of the state's racial profiling controversy. 
Despite acting Gov. Donald T. DiFrancesco's call Thursday for the 
resignation of
            the former attorney general from the state Supreme Court 
bench, Whitman did not join the growing chorus asking for the ouster 
of
            one of her closest aides and the man she appointed to the 
bench.

> the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
determination & 
> the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is 
the 
> ideology of Trooper Profiling.

No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one 
country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national 
sovereignty is incidental to it.

I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and 
the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey 
Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you like, 
but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization has 
long-since left the cities for the most part.  

What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing national 
resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll agree 
to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class question, 
not a race question.  


> 
> you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy 
means those 
> oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban 
centers, 
> and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the 
right to 
> politically & economically control those areas in which they are 
the 
> plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they 
have never 
> done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples 
in US.

Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the grassroots 
level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  Why?

Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves 
as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word) 
out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form 
their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should they 
be allowed to?  

Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government 
(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you) 
has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you will 
about the United States federal government, but at least they 
enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the 
state governments would have done.

For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along 
race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are unique 
based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural 
heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand, 
sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is what 
every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before 
sending people to the camps.

Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be real.



> 
> you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand 
> community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the 
heart of 
> the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve 
problems".

J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community 
where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or better 
yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international 
movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class 
alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can 
talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need something 
concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the 
proletariat.

> 
> you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist 
terror. the 
> "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden 
scheme.  where 
> is the 40acres & mule?

Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of 
power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern 
cracker who is about as modern flint knife.  

Face it.  If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction 
by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that 
would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.  
Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have 
guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.  

How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't 
institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?  
What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it 
does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?  

Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn 
between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest.  
Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress 
requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind 
that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the 
proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real political 
freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about 
the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about 
the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea 
that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we 
want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the 
superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of 
the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you 
better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment 
and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the 
suburbs.

We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the 
bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing 
the United States?

> 
> Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common 
geographic 
> area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by 
Joe 
> Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.

Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe 
Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and 
how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the 
war.

> 
> self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> 
> self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> 
> people vs. imperialism
> 
> 
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> >
> >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> >
> >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St. 
down
> >here, that's ok?
> >
> >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
> >not following.
> >
> >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
> >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
> >reparations out of this?
> >
> >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and 
reparations
> >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
> >the only
> > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > >
> > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > >
> > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Joe,
> > > >
> > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> >convinced
> > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> >heard
> > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I 
can
> > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > >
> > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> >about
> > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> >up, I
> > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > >
> > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot 
condone
> > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> >nation."  I
> > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
determination
> > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> >issue.
> > > >
> > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or 
the
> > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have 
never had
> > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it 
belongs
> >in a
> > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against 
in
> >both
> > > >theory and practice?
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S 
CAMPAIGN
> > > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, 
NJ 08903
> > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S 
OUSTER
> > > > > >
> > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > >Campaign,
> > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and 
their
> > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> >nationalities
> > > >and
> > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly 
welcomes
> > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey 
State
> > > >Senate
> > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice 
Peter
> > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, 
commits
> >a
> > > >hate
> > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and 
severe
> > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> >turn a
> > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent 
with
> > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> >Committee
> > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> >Justice
> > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the 
state
> > > >police
> > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful 
practice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls 
upon the
> > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> >Justice
> > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> >senators
> > > >from
> > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been 
revealed
> > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> >hearings,
> > > >the
> > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute 
than
> >ever.
> > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes 
that
> > > > > >community control, including democratically elected 
civilian
> >police
> > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate 
crimes
> >of
> > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is 
already
> > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if 
they are
> > > >good
> > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 
732/514-0610
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-30-
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
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3.]LIQUIDATE I.M.F.?
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:

> the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
determination & 
> the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is 
the 
> ideology of Trooper Profiling.

You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as 
a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you?  

Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle?  

- Jeremy

WHY DO YOU SAY THAT I AM LIAR?
BECAUSE SUPPORT A FEARLESS LEADER LIKE FRANK BRIGHT A DESIRABLE MAN
AMONG THE WORKING CLASS.
WHY DO YOU SAY THAT I AM A CON?
BECAUSE I AM A BLACK MAN WHO HAS SEEN AFFLICATION. BECAUSE I REFUSED TO
LET MY ENEMIES WITHOUT CAUSE HUNTED ME DOWN LIKE A BIRD. BECAUSE I
REFUSED TO LET THE LIPS OF MY ENEMIES  WHISPER AGAINST ME AND MY FRIEND
FRANK BRIGHT.
DID I SPEAK ILL OF YOU?
TRACY FORD



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COMMUNISM HAVE NO PLACE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ACCEPT JESUS. IF
JESUS IS NOT IN IT THEN I HAVE NO PART OF IT . AS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY
WE SERVE GOD. THE BIBLE SAY IT. GOD MEANT IT. I BELIEVE IT. THAT SETTLE
IT.
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the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of national 
"soveriegnty"?

stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to it?

imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only economically, 
& not also necessarily politically.

the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national governments. 
else why eliminate allende?

it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of Black 
America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are not 
super-exploited/oppressed?

what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated for 
being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor whites? 
any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the vast, 
utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?

u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, but 
most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic, political, 
& cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman to jazz, 
of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from these 
Black national markets?  sony?

if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black 
reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles mingus. 
yr analysis now is that of the klan.


>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
>
> > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
>determination &
> > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
>the
> > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
>
>No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
>country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
>sovereignty is incidental to it.
>
>I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and
>the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
>Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you like,
>but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization has
>long-since left the cities for the most part.
>
>What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing national
>resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll agree
>to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class question,
>not a race question.
>
>
> >
> > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
>means those
> > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban
>centers,
> > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
>right to
> > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
>the
> > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
>have never
> > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples
>in US.
>
>Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the grassroots
>level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  Why?
>
>Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves
>as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
>out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
>their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should they
>be allowed to?
>
>Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government
>(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
>has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you will
>about the United States federal government, but at least they
>enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
>state governments would have done.
>
>For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
>race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are unique
>based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
>heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand,
>sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is what
>every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before
>sending people to the camps.
>
>Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be real.
>
>
>
> >
> > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand
> > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the
>heart of
> > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
>problems".
>
>J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
>where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or better
>yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
>determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
>movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
>alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
>talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need something
>concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
>proletariat.
>
> >
> > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
>terror. the
> > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
>scheme.  where
> > is the 40acres & mule?
>
>Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
>power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
>cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
>
>Face it.  If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction
>by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that
>would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
>Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
>guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
>
>How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
>institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
>What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it
>does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
>
>Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
>between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest.
>Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
>requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind
>that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
>proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real political
>freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
>the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
>the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
>that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
>want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
>superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
>the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
>better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
>and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the
>suburbs.
>
>We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
>bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
>the United States?
>
> >
> > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
>geographic
> > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by
>Joe
> > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
>
>Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
>Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and
>how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the
>war.
>
> >
> > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> >
> > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> >
> > people vs. imperialism
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > >
> > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > >
> > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St.
>down
> > >here, that's ok?
> > >
> > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
> > >not following.
> > >
> > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
> > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
> > >reparations out of this?
> > >
> > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
>reparations
> > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > >
> > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
> > >the only
> > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > >
> > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > >
> > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> > >convinced
> > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> > >heard
> > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I
>can
> > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > > >
> > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> > >about
> > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> > >up, I
> > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > >
> > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
>condone
> > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > >nation."  I
> > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
>determination
> > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> > >issue.
> > > > >
> > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or
>the
> > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
>never had
> > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
>belongs
> > >in a
> > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against
>in
> > >both
> > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
>CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
>NJ 08903
> > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
>OUSTER
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
>their
> > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > >nationalities
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
>welcomes
> > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
>State
> > > > >Senate
> > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
>Peter
> > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
>commits
> > >a
> > > > >hate
> > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
>severe
> > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> > >turn a
> > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
>with
> > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> > >Committee
> > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> > >Justice
> > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the
>state
> > > > >police
> > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
>practice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
>upon the
> > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> > >Justice
> > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > >senators
> > > > >from
> > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
>revealed
> > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > >hearings,
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute
>than
> > >ever.
> > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes
>that
> > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
>civilian
> > >police
> > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
>crimes
> > >of
> > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
>already
> > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
>they are
> > > > >good
> > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
>732/514-0610
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-30-
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the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of national 
"soveriegnty"?

stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to it?

imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only economically, 
& not also necessarily politically.

the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national governments. 
else why eliminate allende?

it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of Black 
America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are not 
super-exploited/oppressed?

what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated for 
being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor whites? 
any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the vast, 
utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?

u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, but 
most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic, political, 
& cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman to jazz, 
of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from these 
Black national markets?  sony?

if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black 
reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles mingus. 
yr analysis now is that of the klan.


>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
>
> > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
>determination &
> > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
>the
> > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
>
>No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
>country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
>sovereignty is incidental to it.
>
>I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and
>the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
>Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you like,
>but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization has
>long-since left the cities for the most part.
>
>What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing national
>resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll agree
>to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class question,
>not a race question.
>
>
> >
> > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
>means those
> > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban
>centers,
> > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
>right to
> > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
>the
> > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
>have never
> > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples
>in US.
>
>Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the grassroots
>level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  Why?
>
>Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves
>as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
>out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
>their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should they
>be allowed to?
>
>Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government
>(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
>has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you will
>about the United States federal government, but at least they
>enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
>state governments would have done.
>
>For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
>race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are unique
>based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
>heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand,
>sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is what
>every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before
>sending people to the camps.
>
>Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be real.
>
>
>
> >
> > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand
> > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the
>heart of
> > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
>problems".
>
>J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
>where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or better
>yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
>determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
>movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
>alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
>talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need something
>concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
>proletariat.
>
> >
> > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
>terror. the
> > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
>scheme.  where
> > is the 40acres & mule?
>
>Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
>power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
>cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
>
>Face it.  If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction
>by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that
>would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
>Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
>guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
>
>How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
>institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
>What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it
>does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
>
>Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
>between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest.
>Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
>requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind
>that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
>proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real political
>freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
>the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
>the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
>that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
>want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
>superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
>the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
>better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
>and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the
>suburbs.
>
>We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
>bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
>the United States?
>
> >
> > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
>geographic
> > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by
>Joe
> > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
>
>Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
>Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and
>how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the
>war.
>
> >
> > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> >
> > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> >
> > people vs. imperialism
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > >
> > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > >
> > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St.
>down
> > >here, that's ok?
> > >
> > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
> > >not following.
> > >
> > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
> > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
> > >reparations out of this?
> > >
> > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
>reparations
> > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > >
> > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
> > >the only
> > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > >
> > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > >
> > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> > >convinced
> > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> > >heard
> > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I
>can
> > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > > >
> > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> > >about
> > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> > >up, I
> > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > >
> > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
>condone
> > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > >nation."  I
> > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
>determination
> > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> > >issue.
> > > > >
> > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or
>the
> > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
>never had
> > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
>belongs
> > >in a
> > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against
>in
> > >both
> > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
>CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
>NJ 08903
> > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
>OUSTER
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
>their
> > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > >nationalities
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
>welcomes
> > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
>State
> > > > >Senate
> > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
>Peter
> > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
>commits
> > >a
> > > > >hate
> > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
>severe
> > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> > >turn a
> > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
>with
> > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> > >Committee
> > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> > >Justice
> > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the
>state
> > > > >police
> > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
>practice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
>upon the
> > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> > >Justice
> > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > >senators
> > > > >from
> > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
>revealed
> > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > >hearings,
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute
>than
> > >ever.
> > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes
>that
> > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
>civilian
> > >police
> > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
>crimes
> > >of
> > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
>already
> > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
>they are
> > > > >good
> > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
>732/514-0610
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-30-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical 
development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder?

of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its 
self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the imperialists.


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
>
> > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
>determination &
> > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
>the
> > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
>
>You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as
>a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you?
>
>Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle?
>
>- Jeremy
>
>

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: City's night spot readies swan song


Published in the Home News Tribune 4/05/01
By CHRIS JORDAN
STAFF WRITER
NEW BRUNSWICK: The New Brunswick music community reacted in shock and 
disbelief yesterday to the news that the city's Court Tavern could be facing 
the wrecking ball.

In Hub City:
A look at the changes afoot.
Redevelopment of the area around Church and Spring streets could force owner 
Bob Albert Jr. to sell his Church Street club.

"It would be a huge blow to New Brunswick music scene, especially in light 
of the recent closing of the Melody (Bar)," said musician and promoter Mike 
Doktorski of East Brunswick.

The Melody Bar on French Street had built a national reputation for 
presenting cutting-edge music before closing last month because of a dispute 
between its two owners.

The Court Tavern has also been presenting live music for nearly 20 years.

"For me, the Court Tavern was the place I honed my craft," said the 
Carteret-raised Jim Babjak of the band The Smithereens. "That's where we 
ended up playing songs we didn't know, because they were requested by the 
audience. It kept me on my toes."

Melody co-owner Steve Flaks said yesterday he and his partner Cal Levine 
were entertaining four serious offers for the club from potential buyers who 
had either been to the club in the past or were affiliated with former 
Melody patrons.

The earliest the club could be reopened under new ownership is in August, 
Flaks said.

Both clubs were important elements in the revitalization of the city that 
began more than 20 years ago, observers said.

However, that importance may not have been recognized.

"From an artistic standpoint, the city has gone a long way to presenting a 
cultural persona across the state," Doktorski said. "But it seems like rock 
'n' roll doesn't occupy the same importance that's accorded to the other art 
forms."

The Court Tavern has historically presented up-and-coming bands as well as 
established national acts.

"Tangibly, the Court Tavern and the other music clubs bring in a population 
of people into town who are there to see shows, and they stop into 
restaurants for a bite to eat, or they go to the ice-cream parlors," 
Doktorski said. "Actually, I don't know if people who go to the Court Tavern 
are going to the ice-cream parlors."

Others said the Court Tavern's closing would be a sign that the city's music 
scene is waning.

"It's not looking too good," said musician Brett Neilley of Highland Park. 
"(The city fathers) don't recognize the importance of the live-music scene. 
They talk about revitalization and how the State Theatre puts them on the 
map, but there's a lot of great stuff going on that doesn't get their 
attention."

However, recorded dance music strikes a note with the city. The City Council 
approved the transfer last night of a liquor license from Jo-Barb 
Corporation to Platinum, a new club to be located at 13 Paterson St.

The upscale Manhattan-type club hopes to open in September, said Peter J. 
Gassaro, who owns the club with his father James V. Gassaro, both of North 
Brunswick.

The owners hope to bring disc jockeys in from New York City and create a 
modern, industrial look for the club, said the son, who compared Platinum to 
the Hunka Bunka Ballroom and Club Abyss in Sayreville in terms of music and 
dress code.

"We're trying to attract people who would come to New Brunswick to jump on 
the train to go to Hoboken. We're keeping them here in New Brunswick 
(instead)," Peter J. Gassaro said.

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louise/keith wrote:
"The discussion was actaully moving forward, and many times Jim made the 
case for Self-D without even meaning to."

questions to keith/louise(i don't know, it wasn't signed)-

is this to say that jim could not have also made the case for the klan 
without even meaning to? don't you think jim would be turned off by you 
stating that he is making the case for "Self-D".

what do you understand the klan's analysis of reperations/self determination 
to be? what do you understand the communists analysis of 
reperations/self-determination to be?

i do not agree with you stating that cliff's position is ultra-left and not 
embracing. before the summation cliff produced many venues for jim to 
explore and reflect with his position, no? and this was not cliff's only 
post about the discussion. but to not point out the essence of what someone 
is truly advocating for, and who their position serves is a serious mistake 
that it seems you have been making yourself. again your criticism with no 
mo' better example. i do not see it as "ultra-left" to point out reality, 
but rather to not do so, for any reason, is what threatens progress of 
revolutionaries.

keith/louise wrote:
   "The defeat of this ultra-left line and its rectification along 
Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards uniting revolutionarys 
in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in  defeating the 
local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and the 
People's Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like 
Jim and Curtis (to name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one 
will be organized and we will have 5  organizations for four  people..."

your allaince with jim and curtis is the one that's up the river. so what 
you might be friends or whatever... the point is that you are not honest 
with these people, openly, about what their mistakes are and who they serve. 
(at least no where i've seen)

joe




>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
>
>I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and 
>Repartaions and Jim
>and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving 
>forward, and
>many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For 
>insatnce when he
>says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" 
>taking
>control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of 
>Afro-Americans to the US
>is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal
>revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
>However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an 
>ultra-left error and
>a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against reparations 
>that's why
>we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that 
>Jim's
>analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans 
>man) is
>counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than 
>organize them.
>Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther 
>towards
>unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity.
>I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line 
>analgous to
>the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim 
>to do
>otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or 
>change his mind
>or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
>This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack 
>on Curtis is
>but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy 
>where there
>was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left line and its
>rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards 
>uniting
>revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in 
>  defeating
>the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and 
>the People's
>Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and 
>Curtis (to
>name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized 
>and we will
>have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good vehicle to 
>bring
>ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force 
>people to
>accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim.
>
>cliff smith wrote:
>
> > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of 
>national
> > "soveriegnty"?
> >
> > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to 
>it?
> >
> > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only 
>economically,
> > & not also necessarily politically.
> >
> > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national 
>governments.
> > else why eliminate allende?
> >
> > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of 
>Black
> > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are not
> > super-exploited/oppressed?
> >
> > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated 
>for
> > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor 
>whites?
> > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the 
>vast,
> > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?
> >
> > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, 
>but
> > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic, 
>political,
> > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman to 
>jazz,
> > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from 
>these
> > Black national markets?  sony?
> >
> > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black
> > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles 
>mingus.
> > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > >
> > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > >determination &
> > > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> > >the
> > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > >
> > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
> > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > >
> > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and
> > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you like,
> > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization has
> > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > >
> > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing national
> > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll agree
> > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class question,
> > >not a race question.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
> > >means those
> > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban
> > >centers,
> > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
> > >right to
> > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
> > >the
> > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
> > >have never
> > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples
> > >in US.
> > >
> > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the grassroots
> > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  Why?
> > >
> > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves
> > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
> > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
> > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should they
> > >be allowed to?
> > >
> > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government
> > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
> > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you will
> > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
> > >state governments would have done.
> > >
> > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
> > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are unique
> > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand,
> > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is what
> > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before
> > >sending people to the camps.
> > >
> > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be real.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand
> > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the
> > >heart of
> > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > >problems".
> > >
> > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
> > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or better
> > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
> > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
> > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need something
> > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > >proletariat.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
> > >terror. the
> > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > >scheme.  where
> > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > >
> > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
> > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
> > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > >
> > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction
> > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that
> > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
> > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
> > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > >
> > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
> > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it
> > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > >
> > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
> > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest.
> > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind
> > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real political
> > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
> > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
> > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
> > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
> > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
> > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
> > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
> > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the
> > >suburbs.
> > >
> > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
> > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
> > >the United States?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
> > >geographic
> > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by
> > >Joe
> > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > >
> > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
> > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and
> > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the
> > >war.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> > > >
> > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > >
> > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St.
> > >down
> > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > >
> > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
> > > > >not following.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
> > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
> > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > >
> > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > >reparations
> > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
> > > > >the only
> > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> > > > >convinced
> > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> > > > >heard
> > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I
> > >can
> > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> > > > >up, I
> > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
> > >condone
> > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > >determination
> > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> > > > >issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or
> > >the
> > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
> > >never had
> > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
> > >belongs
> > > > >in a
> > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against
> > >in
> > > > >both
> > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
> > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
> > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
> > >their
> > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
> > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
> > >State
> > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
> > >Peter
> > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
> > >commits
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
> > >severe
> > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
> > >with
> > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the
> > >state
> > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
> > >practice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
> > >upon the
> > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > > > >senators
> > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
> > >revealed
> > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute
> > >than
> > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes
> > >that
> > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > >civilian
> > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
> > >crimes
> > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > >already
> > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
> > >they are
> > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-30-
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What about liberation theology?

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
> COMMUNISM HAVE NO PLACE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE IT DOES NOT ACCEPT 
JESUS. IF
> JESUS IS NOT IN IT THEN I HAVE NO PART OF IT . AS FOR ME AND MY 
FAMILY
> WE SERVE GOD. THE BIBLE SAY IT. GOD MEANT IT. I BELIEVE IT. THAT 
SETTLE
> IT.
> TRACY FORD
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of 
national 
> "soveriegnty"?
> 
> stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right 
to it?

It's not the essence of the phenomena.  It's not as important as the 
stuff below, though.

> 
> imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only 
economically, 
> & not also necessarily politically.
> 
> the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national 
governments. 
> else why eliminate allende?
> 
> it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression 
of Black 
> America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are 
not 
> super-exploited/oppressed?

Majority of the world =/= white, so yeah, multinational corporations 
exploit non-whites more than whites.  It's INCIDENTAL.

> 
> what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo 
obliterated for 
> being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor 
whites? 
> any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the 
vast, 
> utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?

Then you make my argument.

You want to throw money at the problem with reparations?  How are you 
going to change the color of Diallo's skin w/ money?  How are you 
going to get rid of the hatred or fear in those cops' hearts with 
money?  

You've got a problem that you cannot just throw money at.  The 
ancestors of African Americans were enslaved.  How are you going to 
calculate the cost of slavery?  The effects of slavery now are 
qualitative; not quantitative.  It's a social problem that cannot be 
measured out in terms of dollar signs.  It's ultimately a question of 
consciousness, from what I can see.

How do you propose we handle the problem of racism?

> 
> u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-
America, but 
> most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic, 
political, 
> & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman 
to jazz, 
> of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from 
these 
> Black national markets?  sony?
> 
> if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with 
dubois "black 
> reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles 
mingus. 
> yr analysis now is that of the klan.

Yeah, the Klan analyses society with Marx.  Mmmm.  Every Klansman I 
know has a big friggin bust of Karl Marx on his desk, along with Vlad 
Lenin.  Big socialists those klansmen.  Real champions of the cause 
of humanity.  

I ain't yer dog, sonny boy.  You want to base your idea of the nation 
on supposed shared cultural values and geographic location.  Where's 
your nation when the people comprising it no longer share a common 
geographical location?  If the trend is that blacks should leave the 
ghetto and integrate with the middle class (this is the determinate 
negation produced by the market system -- the ghettos are 
contingencies), then you cannot say that you are going to form a 
nation based upon the color of skin.

Again -- are you an internationalist or not?  Are you even 
revolutionary?  If so, how do you plan to link this struggle up to 
the greater struggle of international revolution of the working 
class?  Based on color?  I hope not.  Race is ephemeral enough, and 
you want to build a nation state on it?  In the United States?  Along 
what geographical boundaries?  The Raritan River? 

> 
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> >
> > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> >determination &
> > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> >the
> > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> >
> >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
> >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> >
> >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. 
and
> >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you 
like,
> >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization 
has
> >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> >
> >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing 
national
> >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll 
agree
> >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class 
question,
> >not a race question.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
> >means those
> > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US 
urban
> >centers,
> > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
> >right to
> > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
> >the
> > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
> >have never
> > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black 
peoples
> >in US.
> >
> >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the 
grassroots
> >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  
Why?
> >
> >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify 
themselves
> >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
> >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
> >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should 
they
> >be allowed to?
> >
> >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local 
government
> >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
> >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you 
will
> >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
> >state governments would have done.
> >
> >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
> >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are 
unique
> >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot 
understand,
> >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is 
what
> >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts 
before
> >sending people to the camps.
> >
> >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be 
real.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & 
demand
> > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is 
the
> >heart of
> > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> >problems".
> >
> >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
> >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or 
better
> >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
> >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
> >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need 
something
> >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> >proletariat.
> >
> > >
> > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
> >terror. the
> > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> >scheme.  where
> > > is the 40acres & mule?
> >
> >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
> >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
> >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> >
> >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced 
Reconstruction
> >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, 
that
> >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
> >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
> >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> >
> >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
> >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because 
it
> >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> >
> >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
> >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the 
harvest.
> >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-
kind
> >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real 
political
> >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
> >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
> >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
> >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
> >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
> >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
> >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
> >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in 
the
> >suburbs.
> >
> >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
> >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
> >the United States?
> >
> > >
> > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
> >geographic
> > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first 
by
> >Joe
> > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> >
> >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
> >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, 
and
> >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after 
the
> >war.
> >
> > >
> > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> > >
> > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> > >
> > > people vs. imperialism
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > >
> > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford 
St.
> >down
> > > >here, that's ok?
> > > >
> > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  
I'm
> > > >not following.
> > > >
> > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with 
radical
> > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you 
get
> > > >reparations out of this?
> > > >
> > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> >reparations
> > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > >
> > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" 
<cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic 
rights and
> > > >the only
> > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > >
> > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > >
> > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am 
not
> > > >convinced
> > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I 
have not
> > > >heard
> > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only 
arguments I
> >can
> > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against 
it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a 
statement
> > > >about
> > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate 
came
> > > >up, I
> > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
> >condone
> > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > > >nation."  I
> > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> >determination
> > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over 
the
> > > >issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign 
or
> >the
> > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
> >never had
> > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
> >belongs
> > > >in a
> > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are 
against
> >in
> > > >both
> > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" 
<can_bush@h...>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black 
Nation!??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
> >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
> >OUSTER
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick 
People's
> > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
> >their
> > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > >nationalities
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement 
today:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
> >welcomes
> > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
> >State
> > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
> >Peter
> > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
> >commits
> > > >a
> > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
> >severe
> > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their 
superiors who
> > > >turn a
> > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
> >with
> > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate 
Judiciary
> > > >Committee
> > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, 
that
> > > >Justice
> > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in 
the
> >state
> > > > > >police
> > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
> >practice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
> >upon the
> > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution 
calling for
> > > >Justice
> > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > > >senators
> > > > > >from
> > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
> >revealed
> > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > > >hearings,
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more 
acute
> >than
> > > >ever.
> > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and 
believes
> >that
> > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> >civilian
> > > >police
> > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
> >crimes
> > > >of
> > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> >already
> > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
> >they are
> > > > > >good
> > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-30-
> > > > > > > >
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:

> do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical 
> development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder?

That depends upon what the people grouped together as / within that 
nation want, correct?  What if there is disagreement as to what is 
properly the nation's 'history' or properly the goal of the 
nation's 'development'?  There have been plenty of people like 
Mobutu, making utterly bogus claims about 'cultural self-
determination' while robbing their country blind. 

> of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its 
> self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the        
> imperialists.

Who draws the line that constitutes the boundaries of an " oppressed 
nation" 's identity?  This seems to make it possible for the 
bureaucrats, representatives, or dictator(s) in charge of 
an 'oppressed' nation's (newly founded ...) state to claim an 
unwarranted moral authority.  Where does the right to self-
determination end?  

Irrespective:  So far, in the 20th century, the nation-state has a 
horribly bad record.  In fact, the people who still defend state 
sovereignity at all on political principle are largely of the more or 
less neo-Fascist Right.  (The WTO is more of an example of people 
possessing the idiotic belief that politics can be collapsed into 
economics -- the neoliberal flipside of what Communists called 'E 
conomism').

TTYL,

Jeremy

do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical 
development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder?

of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its 
self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the imperialists.


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
>
> > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
>determination &
> > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
>the
> > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
>
>You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as
>a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are you?
>
>Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle?
>
>- Jeremy
>
>

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Tom- a couple things:  With all of these artist on the Court Tavern 
grapevine, and the certainty of massive exposure to the plight of the Court 
Tavern this will bring, it appears to be a golden opportunity to link up 
with the community groups that are struggling for their neighborhoods 
against the same wrecking ball.  In know that the NB Peoples' Campaign has  
been doing alot of work in this area: we have relations with vocal 
residents' groups & NBPC members have been a regular voice at city council 
meetings on the issue, etc.  So keep me abreast of the situation as it 
develops.  For starters, I can ask the NBPC for a statement of support/press 
release for the Court Tavern & local progressive culture.  I'll wait for 
your say-so.

Matthew (973) 824-2949


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Thomas Murphy" <thomasbmurphy67@...>
To: vivaohio@...
Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:39:22 -0400

Ok, to reply to your question about what we should do, we already have been 
discussing ideas amongst ourselves to rally supprot for our little home in 
NB. The only thing that I wanna know, before we get so involved in it, does 
Bobby want to sll it, or not???

I spoke with Mark the doorman from the Court, and he thought this might be 
the case, but we of course really have no idea. If Bobby wants support, he 
will get it. We plan on contacting every artist, who has performed at the 
Court, including artists who are now successful, and have PR power, and 
noteriety. Everyone who has come here past and present, etc....We also plan 
on rallying support from the local business owners in town, and other rock n 
roll, and artistic establishments in the state.

Of course this may not be enough, but perhaps if the new building will go up 
because the town will claim eminant domain, Bobby did say in the todays 
article he would relocate if it was within the immediate downtown area, so 
of coure the ROCK may carry on.......

We will see.....

BTW State Senator Lynch, as in former Mayor of NB is staying here in the 
hospital.....


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>Subject: Re: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 16:39:17
>
>
>Just a quick note on this impending disaster for local culture in NB:
>
>
>One of the very first cultural experiences that I had when I first moved to
>New Brunswick (following a year long motorcycle journey across the country)
>was a deeply moving memorial service at the Court Tavern for some guy
>everyone was grieving for named Mark Bradley.  They talked about him like 
>he
>was the local Bob Dylan.  I can still clearly remember the feeling I had
>when I walked into the Court for the first time & one of his close friends
>whose name I never got was sitting in an old barber's chair sobbing and
>asking the wind "Why couldn't it have been me?..."  For the next few years 
>I
>spent getting active in community organizing & setting up fund raising
>events (remember 77 Central?!), I met various and sundry artists & 
>musicians
>who knew and would talk about Mark the mistrel, the songwriter, the cook,
>the friend--and when the CD came out, I finally had a glimpse of what
>everyone was missing so deeply.  There was a spirit there, and a
>consiousness...an awareness and a song.  Mark Bradley, though I never met
>him, made my life in NB have a meaning and purpose that it might never have
>had otherwise.  I still shed a tear when I think about him like this, & I
>never even met him.  Maybe he represents to me a world that could be and
>should be but isn't and sometimes that world seems to come within reach,
>while other times it seems to be slipping away into some primordial
>mist........  Now, the thought of the Court Tavern--where this all began 
>for
>me, and probably so many other in their own way--the thought of it going
>under the recking ball so that those god-damned lifeless corporate zombies
>can put up another one of their sickening institutional pink & mauve
>frankenstein buildings makes me numb!  We see it all around us in NB.
>Everytime I go back to visit, I see another block that's been closed off or
>bulldozed & another lego development is going up...& I know that there used
>to be a community there with real people who were living real lives, & I
>wonder where they go.  So now maybe it's coming home for me and many of you
>who always had somewhere to go to in NB to see a familiar face.  & my
>question is, what are we going to do about it?  I don't have any easy
>answers, but I would say that people need to start thinking really hard out
>loud about if we want to sit back and watch it all slip into the mist...or
>if we are going to defend one of the last real spaces that we have left!
>
>"They're going to feel the fire, and they'll damn sure feel the heat,
>when the middle of the roaders take the middle of the street!"
>
>             -the late and timeless Mark Bradely
>
>...& in the last words of Eliot Katz's tribute poem to Mark:
>
>               "Down with the Multinationals!"
>
>--Matthew Smith
>
>
>----original message-----
>
>From: Tom Murphy
>Subject: First the Melody, and now maybe The Court Tavern????
>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:17:35 -0400
>
>For everyone who might be interested to know.....
>
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
>
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jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think 
workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of 
segregation should be repaid for education?

when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree
with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being
reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you 
support without bringing up the better counters? i want to understand what 
you think.

joe
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jim you are dangerously wrong. besides your incorrect intellect, what the 
hell is your problem with reperations and self-determination? these are 
democratic slogans/positions and to argue them is only to strengthen 
imperialism and anti-democratic forces. you claim to represent peoples' 
democracy, but this arguement puts you far from that. the black nation and 
all oppressed nations have organized, sometimes successfully, with these 
positions of reperations/self-determination. who are you to say these 
NATIONS are wrong, can you explain? it seems that i would expect this 
position from sucker soaries or other right wingers, no one who claims to 
support peoples' democracy can simotaneously stand against reperations and 
self-determination.

keith do you think that this is just some social club? we have work to do 
and you are behind the ball. how can you allow for this position to not to 
be hammered, and then turn on those that work to expose the very serious 
errors in it. pardon me, but these kids are getting shot up! east orange cop 
empties two clips at teenagers after his partner shot himself and claimed 
the kids did it. to argue against racist profiling and not put forward 
reperations and self-determination is to limit yourself to the position of 
the republicans. to argue against racist profiling and simotaneously argue 
against democratic rights of reperations and self-determination is to just 
support racist profiling to maybe just a slighter level. "ok boys, let's 
stop shooting them, we'll suffice to control every other facet of their 
nation, ie. education, culture, jobs, housing, language." but truely, the 
lynching will never stop under these conditions, do you agree keith?

joe

>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 05:54:57 -0000
>
> > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of
>national
> > "soveriegnty"?
> >
> > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right
>to it?
>
>It's not the essence of the phenomena.  It's not as important as the
>stuff below, though.
>
> >
> > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only
>economically,
> > & not also necessarily politically.
> >
> > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national
>governments.
> > else why eliminate allende?
> >
> > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression
>of Black
> > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are
>not
> > super-exploited/oppressed?
>
>Majority of the world =/= white, so yeah, multinational corporations
>exploit non-whites more than whites.  It's INCIDENTAL.
>
> >
> > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo
>obliterated for
> > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor
>whites?
> > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the
>vast,
> > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?
>
>Then you make my argument.
>
>You want to throw money at the problem with reparations?  How are you
>going to change the color of Diallo's skin w/ money?  How are you
>going to get rid of the hatred or fear in those cops' hearts with
>money?
>
>You've got a problem that you cannot just throw money at.  The
>ancestors of African Americans were enslaved.  How are you going to
>calculate the cost of slavery?  The effects of slavery now are
>qualitative; not quantitative.  It's a social problem that cannot be
>measured out in terms of dollar signs.  It's ultimately a question of
>consciousness, from what I can see.
>
>How do you propose we handle the problem of racism?
>
> >
> > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-
>America, but
> > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic,
>political,
> > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman
>to jazz,
> > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from
>these
> > Black national markets?  sony?
> >
> > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with
>dubois "black
> > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles
>mingus.
> > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
>
>Yeah, the Klan analyses society with Marx.  Mmmm.  Every Klansman I
>know has a big friggin bust of Karl Marx on his desk, along with Vlad
>Lenin.  Big socialists those klansmen.  Real champions of the cause
>of humanity.
>
>I ain't yer dog, sonny boy.  You want to base your idea of the nation
>on supposed shared cultural values and geographic location.  Where's
>your nation when the people comprising it no longer share a common
>geographical location?  If the trend is that blacks should leave the
>ghetto and integrate with the middle class (this is the determinate
>negation produced by the market system -- the ghettos are
>contingencies), then you cannot say that you are going to form a
>nation based upon the color of skin.
>
>Again -- are you an internationalist or not?  Are you even
>revolutionary?  If so, how do you plan to link this struggle up to
>the greater struggle of international revolution of the working
>class?  Based on color?  I hope not.  Race is ephemeral enough, and
>you want to build a nation state on it?  In the United States?  Along
>what geographical boundaries?  The Raritan River?
>
> >
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > >
> > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > >determination &
> > > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> > >the
> > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > >
> > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
> > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > >
> > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S.
>and
> > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you
>like,
> > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization
>has
> > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > >
> > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing
>national
> > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll
>agree
> > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class
>question,
> > >not a race question.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
> > >means those
> > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US
>urban
> > >centers,
> > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
> > >right to
> > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
> > >the
> > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
> > >have never
> > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black
>peoples
> > >in US.
> > >
> > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the
>grassroots
> > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?
>Why?
> > >
> > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify
>themselves
> > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
> > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
> > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should
>they
> > >be allowed to?
> > >
> > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local
>government
> > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
> > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you
>will
> > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
> > >state governments would have done.
> > >
> > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
> > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are
>unique
> > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot
>understand,
> > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is
>what
> > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts
>before
> > >sending people to the camps.
> > >
> > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be
>real.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st &
>demand
> > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is
>the
> > >heart of
> > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > >problems".
> > >
> > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
> > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or
>better
> > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
> > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
> > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need
>something
> > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > >proletariat.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
> > >terror. the
> > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > >scheme.  where
> > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > >
> > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
> > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
> > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > >
> > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
>Reconstruction
> > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army,
>that
> > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
> > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
> > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > >
> > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
> > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because
>it
> > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > >
> > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
> > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the
>harvest.
> > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-
>kind
> > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real
>political
> > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
> > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
> > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
> > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
> > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
> > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
> > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
> > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in
>the
> > >suburbs.
> > >
> > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
> > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
> > >the United States?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
> > >geographic
> > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first
>by
> > >Joe
> > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > >
> > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
> > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin,
>and
> > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after
>the
> > >war.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> > > >
> > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > >
> > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford
>St.
> > >down
> > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > >
> > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.
>I'm
> > > > >not following.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with
>radical
> > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you
>get
> > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > >
> > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > >reparations
> > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic
>rights and
> > > > >the only
> > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am
>not
> > > > >convinced
> > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I
>have not
> > > > >heard
> > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only
>arguments I
> > >can
> > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against
>it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a
>statement
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate
>came
> > > > >up, I
> > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
> > >condone
> > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > >determination
> > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over
>the
> > > > >issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign
>or
> > >the
> > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
> > >never had
> > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
> > >belongs
> > > > >in a
> > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are
>against
> > >in
> > > > >both
> > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black
>Nation!??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > >				Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
> > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
> > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick
>People's
> > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
> > >their
> > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement
>today:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
> > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
> > >State
> > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
> > >Peter
> > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
> > >commits
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
> > >severe
> > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their
>superiors who
> > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
> > >with
> > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate
>Judiciary
> > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction,
>that
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in
>the
> > >state
> > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
> > >practice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
> > >upon the
> > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution
>calling for
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > > > >senators
> > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
> > >revealed
> > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more
>acute
> > >than
> > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and
>believes
> > >that
> > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > >civilian
> > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
> > >crimes
> > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > >already
> > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
> > >they are
> > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-30-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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(Snicker...shrug)...while Joe makes it difficult to defend him, I will 
maintain that it is the ABSENCE of REASONED, CLEAR-HEADED, & SCIENTIFIC 
DEBATE & ANALYSIS, that makes absurdity reign...


----Original Message Follows----
From: can_bush@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] Re: Meeting with Mosely
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:51:16 -0000

curtis aspires to be the next deforest soaries! when soaries came on
the seen following the potts murder, he was quoting malcolm x and other
black power activists, now he is covering for wHitman and Verneiro for
racist profiling, while at the same time jacking funds for black
cultural threatres as the Secratary of State.  where is the coalition
for police brutality and curtis' "working class" analysis of any of
this? he still hasn't even taken back his initial proposal to work with
J&J to solve community problems. the problem with the community is J&
J!!!! and its backward ethnic cleansing termed "re-development". but
no, curtis "wants to work with them to solve a drug crisis", what kind
of "working class" analysis is that? what about a march for jobs and a
living wage, the right to an education, and childcare fascilities?
those are the working class issues, not jumping into the lap of J&J.
curtis tries to get it off that skunk soaries is a "religous leader",
what kind of statement is that? what a leader! what's next, hitler is
my religous leader... bang your dead!

the only reasons the nbpc would want myself off this list is because
they canoot argue me. otherwise they would smartly use the opportunity
to prove my mistakes and teach everyone else valuble leasons about
"working with republicans is actually the right thing to do..." -x &
too many others
the other reason might be because of the peoples' campaigns ineptitude
in the local struggle. run a camaign, that embraced those that dissed
its own platform, and then barely get involved, if at all, in any
ongoing community struggles. "ok everyone let's retreat to the
suburbs." - x,  campaign geru

actions speak louder than words. why be worried about what i have to
say, you all got everything under control... right?

joe


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
 > As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear 
as
 > to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples'
 > Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it 
would
 > seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ members 
are
 > likely unaware of the particulars.
 >
 > (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed
 > meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe &
 > BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic,
 > imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have 
been
 > shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them 
from
 > the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that this
 > domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard a
 > violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely individualistic 
&
 > bourgeois concept is it.  Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to 
voice
 > my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when 
banning
 > people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent 
and
 > scientific way...remember WBAI?!
 >
 > In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith
 >
 >
 > ----Original Message Follows----
 > From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
 > Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y...
 > To: coalitionforjustice@y...
 > Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
 > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400
 >
 > name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the 
discussion
 > should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from the
 > nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace the
 > peoples' enemies.
 >
 > republicans in the garbage can!
 >
 > joe
 >
 >
 >  >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@m...>
 >  >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y...
 >  >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@y...>,	"Tom
 >  >DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...>,	<Xavier.hansen@a...>
 >  >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
 >  >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400
 >  >
 >  >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that at
 >  >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural 
matters
 >  >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all.
 >  >
 >  >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and 
Xavier
 >  >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you 
agree
 > to
 >  >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I did 
not
 >  >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want to
 > hear
 >  >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like to
 >  >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are not,
 >  >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or 
issues?
 >  >
 >  >Feel free to call on me any time.
 >  >
 >  >Peace,
 >  >
 >  >JoeMosley
 >  >745-2602
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >----- Original Message -----
 >  >From: can_bush@h...
 >  >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM
 >  >To: coalitionforjustice@y...
 >  >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ must
 >  >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and
 >  >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist
 >  >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two
 >  >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are
 >  >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death?
 >  >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the
 >  >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order
 >  >to be embraced by the majority of people.
 >  >
 >  >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular -
 >  >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up black
 >  >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every
 >  >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every
 >  >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers
 >  >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence
 >  >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...".
 >  >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against
 >  >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the
 >  >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the
 >  >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is
 >  >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the
 >  >united front against racist profiling develop.
 >  >
 >  >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow
 >  >particulars, which it is presently doing.   therefor it must be
 >  >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination
 >  >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of
 >  >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in
 >  >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive,
 >  >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans.
 >  >
 >  >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of
 >  >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though
 >  >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the
 >  >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or
 >  >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the
 >  >strenthening of the coalition.
 >  >
 >  >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no
 >  >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions,
 >  >comments are needed.
 >  >
 >  >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation
 >  >
 >  >joe
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
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"diversity" as imperial denial of black self-determination & 
reparations...

            Sunday's Home News Tribune editorials 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 4/08/01 

            Embracing diversity at the Crossroads


            A Home News Tribune editorial

            Last weekend, Crossroads Theatre in New Brunswick -- which 
canceled its season because of budget deficits -- held its first
            fund-raiser. Friends and officers of the playhouse 
professed themselves overjoyed at the $20,000 take, but the total 
looks
            frighteningly small next to the $2 million deficit 
overshadowing the theater.

            A few days before the event, Ricardo Khan, the founder and 
longtime chief of Crossroads who had been incommunicado since
            leaving amid turmoil at the end of 1999, resurfaced to 
give his take on things. Questions still surround Khan's leadership,
            particularly his having left the theater on such shaky 
financial footing. But it is hard to disagree with Khan's artistic 
assessment:
            Crossroads has failed to fully flower. 

            True, Crossroads has a glittering reputation. In 1999, it 
was named the country's outstanding regional theater. And it has 
cemented
            itself as the nation's premier black theater. But that, in 
a sense, is precisely the problem. As a young man fresh out of art 
school,
            Khan had envisioned a place that confronted all Americans 
at the juncture of color and culture, at the crossroads we all try to
            ignore.

            The irony is that in limiting itself artistically, the 
theater also ended up limiting itself financially. And one has to 
believe that its
            salvation lies with broadening its schedule and its 
audience.

            There is hope for that. The New Brunswick Development 
Company, the city's very successful nonprofit developer, has
            announced it will be taking over administration of the 
Cultural Center, which oversees the American Repertory Ballet on 
Albany
            Street and owns the three theater buildings, including 
Crossroads, on Livingston Avenue. Although DevCo President Chris
            Paladino does not foresee oversight of Crossroads, DevCo 
will be doing several things that should be of secondary benefit to 
the
            theater, including a capital master plan and 
identification of alternative funding sources. They will also be 
looking for areas of
            synergy between the theaters.

            Paladino and DevCo, of course, are not the only prong of 
New Brunswick's resurgance. Like the city itself, the leaders are
            diverse. They include business executives and university 
administrators; Guillermo Beytagh-Maldonado, who heads the Puerto
            Rican Action Board, and who says he wants to work on 
cultural activities with DevCo; and Secretary of State DeForest B.
            "Buster" Soaries.

            The point is that there is still every chance Crossroads 
might fulfill its promise -- if it would reach out to the community at 
large. It
            might then finally live up to Khan's vision of it as a 
place that embraces diversity, while bringing folks face to face with 
the
            challenges of a multicultural society, a society, 
incidentally, that census figures show awaits all of America -- and 
sooner rather
            than later. 

Schools doubt they can meet pre-K mandate 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 4/8/01 

            By KATHLEEN HOPKINS
            STAFF WRITER

            Educators in some of New Jersey's poorest school districts 
are beginning to sound like Yogi Berra because, to paraphrase the
            famous Yankee catcher, they say it's deja vu all over 
again.

            Last year, representatives of the state's so-called 
special-needs school districts complained they were not given 
approvals and
            resources from the state Department of Education to create 
preschool programs that meet the mandate of the state Supreme Court
            Abbott vs. Burke decisions.

            As they plan for next school year, educators say nothing 
much has changed except that the court's deadline to meet the mandate 
is
            getting closer.

            The Supreme Court, in a series of Abbott vs. Burke 
decisions, ruled that the Garden State's 30 special-needs districts -- 
including
            Elizabeth, New Brunswick and Perth Amboy -- must provide 
all-day, extended-year preschool classes to all eligible 3- and
            4-year-olds, beginning in September. The court said the 
state must provide the special-needs districts with the resources to 
meet
            its order.

            But without buildings to house the flood of additional 
children expected when they offer all-day, extended-year preschool
            programs, district officials say they can't be ready to 
meet the court mandate in September - even if the state comes through 
now
            with the necessary funding and approvals.

            "The court mandate cannot be met in September, no matter 
what," said David Sciarra, executive director of the Education Law
            Center, which represents the children of the state's 
special-needs district in the Abbott vs. Burke case.

            Sciarra said the districts still are waiting for the state 
Department of Education to approve their preschool plans and provide
            additional funding for them.

            Without money and approvals, the special-needs districts 
cannot construct facilities to house the children, hire additional 
teachers
            and perform outreach to get kids to enroll, he said. 

            "They should be in implementation mode," Sciarra said. 
"Instead, these districts have no assurances whatsover from the state 
that
            they're going to be able to do anything. The money is not 
in the (state) budget."

            The state last year delayed approving preschool plans of 
the Abbott districts, which prevented the districts from fully 
implementing
            their plans for the current school year, Sciarra said. 

            But Janet Thompson, education department spokeswoman, 
insisted plans to implement preschool in the Abbott districts are
            proceeding. Department officials are now reviewing the 
districts' plans and requests for funding, she said.

            "We recognize the process of starting up a new program can 
be difficult and take more time than we hoped it would," Thompson
            said. "We still believe we're on track. . . . We are 
determined to meet the court mandate and have full-time preschool 
operating in
            every Abbott district in September.

            Officials in Abbott districts don't deny they will offer 
preschool. They question, however, whether they can serve all kids in
            uncrowded classrooms.

            Elizabeth this year has about 1,200 3- and 4-year-olds 
enrolled in half-day preschool classes, but anticipates 3,000 more 
will want
            to enroll when full-day programs are offered, said Schools 
Superintendent Thomas G. Dunn Jr. With a full-day program, the
            district will have room for half the kids it's serving 
this year, he said.

            Work is under way to transform a former Rickel store on 
South Elmora Avenue into a new early-childhood education facility, but
            that will add about 300 preschool seats, giving the 
district room for about 900 pre-kindergarteners, Dunn said.

            Although Elizabeth received word late last week that the 
state approved the district's $523 million school-construction plan, 
the
            approval is too late for September, he said.

            To make matters worse, Elizabeth has received word it will 
receive only about $16 million from the state to fund the preschool
            program next year, representing a cost-of-living increase 
over funding this year for the half-day program, he said.

            "If every kid went all day, the program costs would be 
just under $90 million," Dunn said.

            Thompson said if plans for the preschool programs comply 
with the court mandate, they will receive funding. And she said the
            state Economic Development Authority is prepared to pay 
for trailers to be used as temporary classrooms in any Abbott district 
that
            needs them.

            But Edward Kent, the New Brunswick school district's 
business administrator, said the longer the district must wait for the 
state to
            approve its preschool program, the less likely the 
district will be able to rent trailers, or hire new teachers, because 
of competition
            from other districts.

            Waiting...

            New Brunswick is still waiting for state approval of its 
school-construction plans, which it submitted in May 1999, Kent said.

            The district can squeeze in the 1,300 3- and 4-year-olds 
expected to enroll in full-day preschool classes in September, but 
that will
            create overcrowding throughout the district that will 
violate the court mandate that prekindergarten class sizes be kept to 
15, he
            said. If enrollment exceeds the projections, the district 
will have a prob lem, he added.

            New Brunswick needs 50 to 60 new classrooms to ease 
overcrowding and meet the court mandate, and wants to build a new
            school for 800 children, Kent said.

            Meanwhile, the district is requesting an additional $88 
million from the state to implement all of the Abbott vs. Burke 
mandates,
            which go beyond requirements for preschool, Kent said.

            But for this school year, the state has given New 
Brunswick a promissory note for $3.6 million to cover a shortfall in 
funding for
            its preschool program. The district received the note, 
Kent said, after the New Brunswick Board of Education threatened to
            discontinue the preschool program.

            ...and waiting

            The state has approved Perth Amboy's construction plans, 
but the district is still waiting for the state Economic Development
            Authority to begin construction of a proposed 
early-childhood center on property the district owns at Hall Avenue 
and Cortlandt
            Street, said Assistant Schools Superintendent Jack 
Rodecker.

            The district has money to build the facility, but is 
eligible for the state EDA to fund it under the school-construction 
law passed last
            year, Rodecker said.

            "We're meeting with them (EDA officials), but they haven't 
made any commitments," Rodecker said, adding that it will take at
            least a year to build a school.

            Meanwhile, pupils continue to attend classes in two 
antiquated buildings the district had intended to close when it opened 
the new
            Robert Wilentz School in September, Rodecker said.

            The district will still need 18 more classrooms to meet 
the court's preschool mandate this September, he said. But all the 
state has
            offered the district so far is nine temporary, trailer 
classrooms, he said.

            Kathleen Hopkins: (908) 353-8003

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: April 8, 2001

you know, i getting sick of this shit myself. WHERE IS YOUR "REASONED, 
CLEAR-HEADED, & SCIENTIFIC DEBATE AND ANALYSIS" OF CURTIS' SELL-OUT 
STATEMENTS? otherwise all you critics get no play. give it up or shut up...


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Meeting with Mosely
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:10:04
>
>(Snicker...shrug)...while Joe makes it difficult to defend him, I will
>maintain that it is the ABSENCE of REASONED, CLEAR-HEADED, & SCIENTIFIC
>DEBATE & ANALYSIS, that makes absurdity reign...
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: can_bush@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Meeting with Mosely
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:51:16 -0000
>
>curtis aspires to be the next deforest soaries! when soaries came on
>the seen following the potts murder, he was quoting malcolm x and other
>black power activists, now he is covering for wHitman and Verneiro for
>racist profiling, while at the same time jacking funds for black
>cultural threatres as the Secratary of State.  where is the coalition
>for police brutality and curtis' "working class" analysis of any of
>this? he still hasn't even taken back his initial proposal to work with
>J&J to solve community problems. the problem with the community is J&
>J!!!! and its backward ethnic cleansing termed "re-development". but
>no, curtis "wants to work with them to solve a drug crisis", what kind
>of "working class" analysis is that? what about a march for jobs and a
>living wage, the right to an education, and childcare fascilities?
>those are the working class issues, not jumping into the lap of J&J.
>curtis tries to get it off that skunk soaries is a "religous leader",
>what kind of statement is that? what a leader! what's next, hitler is
>my religous leader... bang your dead!
>
>the only reasons the nbpc would want myself off this list is because
>they canoot argue me. otherwise they would smartly use the opportunity
>to prove my mistakes and teach everyone else valuble leasons about
>"working with republicans is actually the right thing to do..." -x &
>too many others
>the other reason might be because of the peoples' campaigns ineptitude
>in the local struggle. run a camaign, that embraced those that dissed
>its own platform, and then barely get involved, if at all, in any
>ongoing community struggles. "ok everyone let's retreat to the
>suburbs." - x,  campaign geru
>
>actions speak louder than words. why be worried about what i have to
>say, you all got everything under control... right?
>
>joe
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@h...> wrote:
>  > As I've just joined the Coalition for Justice egroup list, I am unclear
>as
>  > to why this exchange is taking place here as opposed to the NB Peoples'
>  > Campaign group list...nothing against airing out views widely, but it
>would
>  > seem that PC members would benefit from the dialogue, & that CFJ 
>members
>are
>  > likely unaware of the particulars.
>  >
>  > (Otherwise-- I think that it would be very benificial for this proposed
>  > meeting with Joe Mosely to take place...as much as I disagree with Joe 
>&
>  > BOL/SWORD's portrayal of Curtis Warren as an right-wing, opportunistic,
>  > imperialist, infiltrator (sigh), my concerns about their expulsion have
>been
>  > shifted into alarm when I learned that there was a vote to remove them
>from
>  > the Peoples Campaign egroup list...among the reasons sited was that 
>this
>  > domain is the "intellectual property" of the NBPC...if ever I've heard 
>a
>  > violation of basic democratic principles (!) this purely 
>individualistic
>&
>  > bourgeois concept is it.  Unfortunately, I was not at the meeting to
>voice
>  > my objections, but I feel it's a dangerous road to travel down when
>banning
>  > people becomes a substitute for struggling over the ideas in a coherent
>and
>  > scientific way...remember WBAI?!
>  >
>  > In the Struggle for Unity--Matthew Smith
>  >
>  >
>  > ----Original Message Follows----
>  > From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>  > Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y...
>  > To: coalitionforjustice@y...
>  > Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  > Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:30:39 -0400
>  >
>  > name the time mosley. others should be made aware also, but the
>discussion
>  > should stay focused on the expulsion of myself, cliff and others from 
>the
>  > nbpc which was/is lead by xavier. i will accept no rules that embrace 
>the
>  > peoples' enemies.
>  >
>  > republicans in the garbage can!
>  >
>  > joe
>  >
>  >
>  >  >From: "Joseph Mosley" <joemosley1@m...>
>  >  >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@y...
>  >  >To: "Coalitionfor Justice" <coalitionforjustice@y...>,	"Tom
>  >  >DeGloma" <tdegloma@h...>,	<Xavier.hansen@a...>
>  >  >Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  >  >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:08:44 -0400
>  >  >
>  >  >I believe that you are on the right track Joe, but never forget that 
>at
>  >  >times we can be our own worst enemy. We may disagree on procedural
>matters
>  >  >but our goals must be clearly defined and supported by all.
>  >  >
>  >  >At last week's meeting of the Peoples Campaign both Tom Degloma and
>Xavier
>  >  >Hansen said that you and your brother are welcome to return if you
>agree
>  > to
>  >  >abide by the rules. They say that you know what these rules are. I 
>did
>not
>  >  >ask because I did not want to hear their version, neither do I want 
>to
>  > hear
>  >  >your version. I want to be as neutral as possible. What I would like 
>to
>  >  >know is , are these rules acceptable to you and Cliff? If they are 
>not,
>  >  >could the five of us sit down somewhere and discuss the issue or
>issues?
>  >  >
>  >  >Feel free to call on me any time.
>  >  >
>  >  >Peace,
>  >  >
>  >  >JoeMosley
>  >  >745-2602
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >----- Original Message -----
>  >  >From: can_bush@h...
>  >  >Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:39 PM
>  >  >To: coalitionforjustice@y...
>  >  >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: list of demands
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >in the form of an advanced political/ideological position the CFJ 
>must
>  >  >advance on the present list of demands to call for reparations and
>  >  >self-determination for the black nation. this struggle against racist
>  >  >profiling will never put the CFJ on the offensive without these two
>  >  >demands being main slogans and organizing tools. how many people are
>  >  >going to march to reopen the investigation into Earl Faison's death?
>  >  >not that it shouldn't be a demand, but the coalition must take the
>  >  >particular to the general and then lead to other particulars in order
>  >  >to be embraced by the majority of people.
>  >  >
>  >  >for example the state police shoot up van of black youth (particular 
>-
>  >  >so people march against racist profiling). state police shoot up 
>black
>  >  >youth because they are run by white supremacists, so is every
>  >  >institution in the nation (general - so people march against every
>  >  >white supremacist institution, as the CFJ can present it). rutgers
>  >  >university is run by white supremacists, president francis lawrence
>  >  >stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites...".
>  >  >(different particular - so now rutgers students can march against
>  >  >racial profiling in a more general fashion, they can demand the
>  >  >impeachment of university president facsist lawrence and the
>  >  >conviction of troopers hogan and kenna. but only if the general is
>  >  >properly understood, that white supremacy runs this nation will the
>  >  >united front against racist profiling develop.
>  >  >
>  >  >the CFJ would be limiting itself if it just focused on the narrow
>  >  >particulars, which it is presently doing.   therefor it must be
>  >  >embraced by the list of demands, reparations and self-determination
>  >  >for the black nation in order for us to build the broadest base of
>  >  >support possible for this march and then back to the movement in
>  >  >general. this is the way to transform the coalition to an offensive,
>  >  >first in our attitudes/consciousness then in our plans.
>  >  >
>  >  >this transformation, although altering to the original conception of
>  >  >the coalition must not be pushed in a manner of confrontation, though
>  >  >it must be pushed. it is a suggestion in order strengthen the
>  >  >coalition, therefor it must be presented as such. so if any person or
>  >  >group is against the proposal, they are actually against the
>  >  >strenthening of the coalition.
>  >  >
>  >  >although this is choppy, i had just wrote it as i understood w/no
>  >  >preperation, it is an important arguement. criticism, suggestions,
>  >  >comments are needed.
>  >  >
>  >  >Reparations and Self-Determination for the Black Nation
>  >  >
>  >  >joe
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
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jeremy, why ask confusing questions that will lead to more confusion? why 
not just present your view and agreement or disagreement with the views 
already presented? if your agenda is to move the discussion forward...

joe


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:18:27 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
>
> > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical
> > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder?
>
>That depends upon what the people grouped together as / within that
>nation want, correct?  What if there is disagreement as to what is
>properly the nation's 'history' or properly the goal of the
>nation's 'development'?  There have been plenty of people like
>Mobutu, making utterly bogus claims about 'cultural self-
>determination' while robbing their country blind.
>
> > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its
> > self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the
> > imperialists.
>
>Who draws the line that constitutes the boundaries of an " oppressed
>nation" 's identity?  This seems to make it possible for the
>bureaucrats, representatives, or dictator(s) in charge of
>an 'oppressed' nation's (newly founded ...) state to claim an
>unwarranted moral authority.  Where does the right to self-
>determination end?
>
>Irrespective:  So far, in the 20th century, the nation-state has a
>horribly bad record.  In fact, the people who still defend state
>sovereignity at all on political principle are largely of the more or
>less neo-Fascist Right.  (The WTO is more of an example of people
>possessing the idiotic belief that politics can be collapsed into
>economics -- the neoliberal flipside of what Communists called 'E
>conomism').
>
>TTYL,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I wouldn't argue that in every case.  Do you support Pol Pot, just 
because he's anti-imperialist?  I don't.  I consider that to be an 
ethical question which transcends the question of so-called "self-
determination."


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:
> do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical 
> development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder?
> 
> of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its 
> self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the 
imperialists.
> 
> 
> >From: jagross66@h...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> >wrote:
> >
> > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> >determination &
> > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> >the
> > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> >
> >You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as
> >a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are 
you?
> >
> >Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle?
> >
> >- Jeremy
> >
> >
> 
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I TRUST THAT YOU WILL BE OBEDIENT TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. SHOULD HE SO
DIRECT YOU, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO DISCIPLESHIP.



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Alyssa,

I don't understand this statement:

>this is why we are creating a new list serve that is
>for members only.  because the members of the campaign
>are using their democratic right to controll what
>their name is involved in. and we are interested in
>doing work and the other people are not.  all they
>want to do is sit at their computer all day and
>disrespect people in a public forum and attack all of
>the good work we are doing while they do nothing but
>try to break up the movement they are riding on.

I assume you are talking about SWORD as you also mention Joe's email. I'd 
just like to know where you get the idea that we are not doing any work in 
the community. I myself have repeatedly told you about community meetings or 
actions we are involved in.

What specifically is the work that the NBPC is doing that we are "riding"?  
Can you explain this?

As you are a member of the steering committee, I request an explanation as 
to my expulsion from the PC, especially as to why I was expelled directly 
from the women's caucus.

Tamara




>From: Alyssa Coiley <ajoy110@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] A new listserve PLEASE!!!
>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
>
>WHEN IS THE LISTSERVE GOING TO CHANGE SO ONLY MEMBERS
>CAN PARTICIPATE?
>
>frankly i am through with the whole discussion and it
>is messages like the one below that have ended it for
>me.  It is comments like these that caused the
>disscussion in the womens caucus meeting in the first
>place (we then brought it to the larger body).
>
>do we think the FBI just dissapeared after the black
>panthers, that cointellpro doesn't exist? people are
>reading this crap, and they're laughing and they're
>planning how to exacerbate the situation even more so
>we wont get anything done.  this is how the revolution
>was smashed in the 70's and we need to read our
>histroy and learn from it.
>
>we do not have time to be name calling, its
>ridiculous.  we have serious work to do. why isn't
>anyone talking about how to fill all of the positions
>that aren't filled in the campaign so more people are
>doing work and we expand and grow?  why are we
>fighting all of the time?
>
>i think we need to recognize that we are the richest
>people in the world and no one else has time to argue
>like we do.  frankly we don't either.  you call
>yourself a revolutionary? you say you want unity?  do
>it, don't say it.  if you have time to write four five
>emails a day bashing all of the work that people are
>doing, you are wasting your time and everyone else's
>who has to read your crap.
>

>
>im sick of this shit and yeah im gonna say it just
>like that. i cant wait until we get a new listserve so
>i dont have to read all the bullshit anymore.
>
>alyssa joy
>
>--- joseph smith <can_bush@...> wrote:
> > tracy i didn't like you before, but before we had a
> > workable relationship.
> > how is it again that communism is childish, big man?
> > republicans in the
> > garbage can!
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> > >From: TRACYFORD1420@...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Meeting with Mosely
> > >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 04:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
> > >
> > >ST. PETER DENIED CHRIST THREE TIMES. BUT HE IS THE
> > NUMBER ONE APOSTLE. I
> > >WAS FIRST BAPTIST AND REPUBLICAN SO I DECIDED TO
> > RETURNED TO MY FIRST
> > >LOVE. I LEFT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE CAME IN AND PUSH
> > ME OUT. I TRY
> > >SOCIALISM, TRY COMMUNISM, AND ISLAM. WHEN I WAS A
> > CHILD I PLAYED WITH
> > >CHILDISH THINGS AND BUT NOW I AM ADULT . I PUT AWAY
> > CHILDISH THINGS AND
> > >PUT MY CONCERN ON SERIOUS THINGS. BECAUSE PLAY-TIME
> > IS OVER. I BECAME AN
> > >APOSTLE OF JESUS CHRIST. I HAVE A FLOCK WHICH WAS
> > GIVEN TO ME CARE FOR
> > >BY JESUS, BEFORE I DO NOT HAVE ONE IS TRUE. MY
> > FLOCK IS HUNDRED  STRONG.
> > >IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME PREACH TO THEM COME TO
> > TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP
> > >BAPTIST CHURCH LOCATED AT 33 POPULAR ROAD IN
> > PISCATAWAY, N.J. ON APRIL
> > >23 MONDAY AT 7:00PM. ALL ARE WELCOME. DO YOU
> > UNDERSTAND ME NOW OR HOW DO
> > >LIKE ME NOW???���
> > >TRACY FORD
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > removed]
> > >
> >
> >
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> jeremy, why ask confusing questions that will lead to more 
confusion? why 
> not just present your view and agreement or disagreement with the 
views 
> already presented? if your agenda is to move the discussion 
forward...
> 
> joe

The problem is that the subject is confusing.  If there were absolute 
answers to difficult political problems, the person with the One True 
Answer would be justified in picking up a gun and blowing away all of 
The Bad People.  

I don't think anyone could honestly believe that 300+ years of debate 
on what you call 'self-determination' as a concept is going to be 
solved once and for all on a NJ municipal politics discussion list.

I'd be glad to clarify, of course, if anything I said seemed unclear. 
If you want what's basically an answer:  I don't think it's 
'progressive' or 'revolutionary' to defend the right of every discrete 
social/cultural/economic group to its own state.  That seems to just 
lead to a world of exclusionary, and perhaps even genocidal, 
politics (eg, Jim's Pol Pot example).

- Jeremy


> >From: jagross66@h...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:18:27 -0000
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> >wrote:
> >
> > > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own 
historical
> > > development without being impeded by (european) 
aggression/plunder?
> >
> >That depends upon what the people grouped together as / within that
> >nation want, correct?  What if there is disagreement as to what is
> >properly the nation's 'history' or properly the goal of the
> >nation's 'development'?  There have been plenty of people like
> >Mobutu, making utterly bogus claims about 'cultural self-
> >determination' while robbing their country blind.
> >
> > > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its
> > > self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the
> > > imperialists.
> >
> >Who draws the line that constitutes the boundaries of an " 
oppressed
> >nation" 's identity?  This seems to make it possible for the
> >bureaucrats, representatives, or dictator(s) in charge of
> >an 'oppressed' nation's (newly founded ...) state to claim an
> >unwarranted moral authority.  Where does the right to self-
> >determination end?
> >
> >Irrespective:  So far, in the 20th century, the nation-state has a
> >horribly bad record.  In fact, the people who still defend state
> >sovereignity at all on political principle are largely of the more 
or
> >less neo-Fascist Right.  (The WTO is more of an example of people
> >possessing the idiotic belief that politics can be collapsed into
> >economics -- the neoliberal flipside of what Communists called 'E
> >conomism').
> >
> >TTYL,
> >
> >Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Poems are bullshit unless they are
teeth or trees or lemons piled 
on a step.  Or black ladies dying 
of men leaving nickel hearts 
beating them down.  Fuck poems 
and they are useful, wd they shoot 
come at you, love what you are, 
breathe like wrestlers, or shudder 
strangely after pissing.  We want live 
words of the hip world live flesh & 
coursing blood.  Hearts Brains 
Souls splintering fire.  We want poems 
like fists beating niggers out of Jocks 
or dagger poems in the slimy bellies 
of the owner-jews.  Black poems to 
smear on girdlemamma mulatto bitches 
whose brains are red jelly stuck 
between 'lizabeth taylor's toes.  Stinking 
Whores!  We want "poems that kill."  
Assassin poems, Poems that shoot 
guns.  Poems that wrestle cops into alleys 
and take their weapons leaving them dead 
with tongues pulled out and sent to Ireland.  Knockoff 
poems for dope selling wops or slick halfwhite 
politicians Airplane poems, rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...tuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuhtuh
...rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...Setting fire and death to 
whities ass.  Look at the Liberal 
Spokesman for the jews clutch his throat 
& puke himself into eternity...rrrrrrrr  
There's a negroleader pinned to 
a bar stool in Sardi's eyeballs melting 
in hot flame  Another negroleader 
on the steps of the white house one 
kneeling between the sheriff's thighs 
negotiating cooly for his people.  
Agggh...stumbles across the room...
Put it on him, poem.  Strip him naked 
to the world!  Another bad poem cracking 
steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth  
Poem scream poison gas on beasts in green berets 
Clean out the world for virtue and love,  
Let there be no love poems written 
until love can exist freely and 
cleanly.  Let Black People understand 
that they are the lovers and the sons 
of lovers and warriors and sons 
of warriors  Are poems & poets & 
all the loveliness here in the world

We want a black poem.  And a 
Black World.
Let the world be a Black Poem 
And Let All Black People Speak This Poem 
Silently
or LOUD

--Amiri Baraka

ON ACHIEVEMENT???���



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IT MAKES YOU REALIZE HOW INSIGNIFICANT WE ALL ARE.



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> IT MAKES YOU REALIZE HOW INSIGNIFICANT WE ALL ARE.
> 
> 
> 

Some of us more than others, I think.

jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think 
workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of 
segregation should be repaid for education?

when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree 
with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being 
reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you 
support without bringing up the better counters? i want to underrstand what 
you think.

joe


>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
>
>I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and 
>Repartaions and Jim
>and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving 
>forward, and
>many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For 
>insatnce when he
>says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" 
>taking
>control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of 
>Afro-Americans to the US
>is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal
>revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
>However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an 
>ultra-left error and
>a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against reparations 
>that's why
>we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that 
>Jim's
>analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans 
>man) is
>counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than 
>organize them.
>Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther 
>towards
>unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity.
>I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line 
>analgous to
>the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim 
>to do
>otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or 
>change his mind
>or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
>This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack 
>on Curtis is
>but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy 
>where there
>was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left line and its
>rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards 
>uniting
>revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in 
>  defeating
>the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and 
>the People's
>Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and 
>Curtis (to
>name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized 
>and we will
>have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good vehicle to 
>bring
>ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force 
>people to
>accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim.
>
>cliff smith wrote:
>
> > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of 
>national
> > "soveriegnty"?
> >
> > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to 
>it?
> >
> > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only 
>economically,
> > & not also necessarily politically.
> >
> > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national 
>governments.
> > else why eliminate allende?
> >
> > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of 
>Black
> > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are not
> > super-exploited/oppressed?
> >
> > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated 
>for
> > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor 
>whites?
> > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the 
>vast,
> > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?
> >
> > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, 
>but
> > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic, 
>political,
> > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman to 
>jazz,
> > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from 
>these
> > Black national markets?  sony?
> >
> > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black
> > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles 
>mingus.
> > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > >
> > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > >determination &
> > > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> > >the
> > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > >
> > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
> > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > >
> > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and
> > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you like,
> > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization has
> > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > >
> > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing national
> > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll agree
> > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class question,
> > >not a race question.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
> > >means those
> > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban
> > >centers,
> > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
> > >right to
> > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
> > >the
> > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
> > >have never
> > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples
> > >in US.
> > >
> > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the grassroots
> > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  Why?
> > >
> > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves
> > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
> > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
> > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should they
> > >be allowed to?
> > >
> > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government
> > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
> > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you will
> > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
> > >state governments would have done.
> > >
> > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
> > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are unique
> > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand,
> > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is what
> > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before
> > >sending people to the camps.
> > >
> > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be real.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand
> > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the
> > >heart of
> > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > >problems".
> > >
> > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
> > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or better
> > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
> > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
> > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need something
> > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > >proletariat.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
> > >terror. the
> > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > >scheme.  where
> > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > >
> > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
> > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
> > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > >
> > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction
> > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that
> > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
> > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
> > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > >
> > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
> > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it
> > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > >
> > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
> > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest.
> > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind
> > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real political
> > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
> > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
> > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
> > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
> > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
> > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
> > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
> > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the
> > >suburbs.
> > >
> > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
> > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
> > >the United States?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
> > >geographic
> > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by
> > >Joe
> > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > >
> > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
> > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and
> > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the
> > >war.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> > > >
> > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > >
> > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St.
> > >down
> > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > >
> > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
> > > > >not following.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
> > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
> > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > >
> > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > >reparations
> > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
> > > > >the only
> > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> > > > >convinced
> > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> > > > >heard
> > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I
> > >can
> > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> > > > >up, I
> > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
> > >condone
> > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > >determination
> > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> > > > >issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or
> > >the
> > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
> > >never had
> > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
> > >belongs
> > > > >in a
> > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against
> > >in
> > > > >both
> > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
> > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
> > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
> > >their
> > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
> > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
> > >State
> > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
> > >Peter
> > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
> > >commits
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
> > >severe
> > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
> > >with
> > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the
> > >state
> > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
> > >practice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
> > >upon the
> > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > > > >senators
> > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
> > >revealed
> > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute
> > >than
> > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes
> > >that
> > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > >civilian
> > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
> > >crimes
> > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > >already
> > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
> > >they are
> > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >-30-
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--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote:
> julie-
> 
> produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis.

--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote:
> him [Curtis] co-operating with the j&j & their political
> machine 


You just did, Cliff.

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Hello all,

Is anyone in possession of any record signed by someone from the 
housing authority which:

1. was presented to HUD or another _federal_ agency;
2. was signed on or after October 23, 1998;
3. involves a claim for federal money or other federal property; and
4. involves an assertion by the housing authority that it was in 
compliance with "the Housing Act of 1937" or "any federal 
requirement" or words to that effect?

Inasmuch as I only have one such document at the moment meeting these 
criteria, I am looking for more.  I am especially interested in any 
vouchers or progress payment requests for HOPE VI that might meet 
these criteria.

Thanks.

julie, those are curtis' own spoken desires. he desires to co-operate with 
J&J from his own mouth. next...

joe


>From: Julie Poulos <juliepoulos@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote:
> > julie-
> >
> > produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis.
>
>--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote:
> > him [Curtis] co-operating with the j&j & their political
> > machine
>
>
>You just did, Cliff.
>
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Joe --

I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can 
tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.

What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to 
slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery 
was abolished.  

What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is racism 
and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.  That's 
absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.

What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw money 
at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people care 
about is getting cash for slavery?  

You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black nation?  
What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral 
connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?  You're 
going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?  What 
does the inner city produce that anybody needs?

Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a phenomenon 
from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-sidedeness is 
exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is.  

Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the 
*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does not mean 
having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage.  
And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes 
its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to 
a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even 
better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports 
totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, you're 
not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs me up.  
It abandons you.  

There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL 
conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other list you 
were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this 
argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you do...

Jim

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you 
think 
> workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of 
> segregation should be repaid for education?
> 
> when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can 
agree 
> with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being 
> reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements 
that you 
> support without bringing up the better counters? i want to 
underrstand what 
> you think.
> 
> joe
> 
> 
> >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> >
> >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and 
> >Repartaions and Jim
> >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully 
moving 
> >forward, and
> >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. 
For 
> >insatnce when he
> >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern 
classes" 
> >taking
> >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of 
> >Afro-Americans to the US
> >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic 
anti-feudal
> >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an 
> >ultra-left error and
> >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against 
reparations 
> >that's why
> >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To 
say that 
> >Jim's
> >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him 
a Klans 
> >man) is
> >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather 
than 
> >organize them.
> >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer 
togther 
> >towards
> >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards 
disunity.
> >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had 
a line 
> >analgous to
> >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you 
expect Jim 
> >to do
> >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him 
or 
> >change his mind
> >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the 
attack 
> >on Curtis is
> >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an 
enemy 
> >where there
> >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left line 
and its
> >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force 
towards 
> >uniting
> >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a 
long way in 
> >  defeating
> >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates 
NJFO and 
> >the People's
> >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people 
like Jim and 
> >Curtis (to
> >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be 
organized 
> >and we will
> >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good 
vehicle to 
> >bring
> >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse 
to force 
> >people to
> >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of 
imperialsim.
> >
> >cliff smith wrote:
> >
> > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction 
of 
> >national
> > > "soveriegnty"?
> > >
> > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your 
right to 
> >it?
> > >
> > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only 
> >economically,
> > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > >
> > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national 
> >governments.
> > > else why eliminate allende?
> > >
> > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national 
oppression of 
> >Black
> > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos 
are not
> > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > >
> > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo 
obliterated 
> >for
> > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by 
poor 
> >whites?
> > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? 
the 
> >vast,
> > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) 
south?
> > >
> > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-
America, 
> >but
> > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its 
economic, 
> >political,
> > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny 
goodman to 
> >jazz,
> > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ 
from 
> >these
> > > Black national markets?  sony?
> > >
> > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with 
dubois "black
> > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some 
charles 
> >mingus.
> > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > >
> > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > >
> > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > > >determination &
> > > > > the theft of national resources.  your 
celebrated "modernism" is
> > > >the
> > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > >
> > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value 
from one
> > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > >
> > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the 
U.S. and
> > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if 
you like,
> > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and 
industrialization has
> > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > >
> > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing 
national
> > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  
I'll agree
> > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class 
question,
> > > >not a race question.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however 
democracy
> > > >means those
> > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the 
US urban
> > > >centers,
> > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have 
the
> > > >right to
> > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which 
they are
> > > >the
> > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which 
they
> > > >have never
> > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black 
peoples
> > > >in US.
> > > >
> > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the 
grassroots
> > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of 
*race*?  Why?
> > > >
> > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify 
themselves
> > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's 
word)
> > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to 
form
> > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  
Should they
> > > >be allowed to?
> > > >
> > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local 
government
> > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have 
you)
> > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what 
you will
> > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than 
what the
> > > >state governments would have done.
> > > >
> > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class 
along
> > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are 
unique
> > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot 
understand,
> > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage 
is what
> > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts 
before
> > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > >
> > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's 
be real.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st 
& demand
> > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, 
which is the
> > > >heart of
> > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > > >problems".
> > > >
> > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a 
community
> > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or 
better
> > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an 
international
> > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then 
we can
> > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need 
something
> > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > > >proletariat.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by 
fascist
> > > >terror. the
> > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > > >scheme.  where
> > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > >
> > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the 
return of
> > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the 
southern
> > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > >
> > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced 
Reconstruction
> > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. 
army, that
> > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
determination.
> > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could 
have
> > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > >
> > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal 
force?
> > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away 
because it
> > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > >
> > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is 
drawn
> > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the 
harvest.
> > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of 
human-kind
> > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real 
political
> > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget 
about
> > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class 
about
> > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the 
idea
> > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the 
idea we
> > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part 
of
> > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  
Because you
> > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once 
redevelopment
> > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves 
in the
> > > >suburbs.
> > > >
> > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of 
the
> > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by 
balkanizing
> > > >the United States?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: 
common
> > > >geographic
> > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward 
first by
> > > >Joe
> > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > >
> > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how 
Joe
> > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for 
Lenin, and
> > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites 
after the
> > > >war.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against 
patriarchy!
> > > > >
> > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against 
capital!
> > > > >
> > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of 
Sandford St.
> > > >down
> > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
determination.  I'm
> > > > > >not following.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down 
with radical
> > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do 
you get
> > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > > >reparations
> > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" 
<cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic 
rights and
> > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE 
VERNIERO
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I 
am not
> > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I 
have not
> > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only 
arguments I
> > > >can
> > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments 
against it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a 
statement
> > > > > >about
> > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the 
debate came
> > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I 
cannot
> > > >condone
> > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for 
the "black
> > > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > > >determination
> > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate 
over the
> > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's 
Campaign or
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we 
have
> > > >never had
> > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think 
it
> > > >belongs
> > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are 
against
> > > >in
> > > > > >both
> > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" 
<can_bush@h...>
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black 
Nation!??
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE 
VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New 
Brunswick,
> > > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR 
VERNIERO'S
> > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick 
People's
> > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents 
and
> > > >their
> > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following 
statement today:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) 
warmly
> > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New 
Jersey
> > > >State
> > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court 
Justice
> > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial 
profiling and
> > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of 
color,
> > > >commits
> > > > > >a
> > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by 
swift and
> > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their 
superiors who
> > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be 
consistent
> > > >with
> > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate 
Judiciary
> > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's 
satisfaction, that
> > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling 
in the
> > > >state
> > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this 
hateful
> > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign further 
calls
> > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution 
calling for
> > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan 
group of
> > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long last, 
been
> > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary 
Committee's
> > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more 
acute
> > > >than
> > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and 
believes
> > > >that
> > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > > >civilian
> > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the 
hate
> > > >crimes
> > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of 
color.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > > >already
> > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all 
legislators, if
> > > >they are
> > > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >   FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> > > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > > >
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Hello,

I went and looked at some articles by Earl Ofari Hutchinson besides 
the one on Reparations.  Interestingly, he wrote an article in favor 
of keeping the Electoral College.  Since it largely corresponds to my 
understanding of the problem, I thought I'd repost it :

---

The clamor by Hillary Rodham Clinton, Jesse Jackson and others, 
mostly Democrats, to dump the Electoral College is disingenuous at 
best and dangerous at worst. In 1992 Rodham Clinton and Jackson did 
not shout that the Electoral College is unfair and thwarted the 
popular will by permitting the candidate who wins a minority of the 
popular vote to occupy the White House. That year, Rodham Clinton's 
husband, Bill, won the presidency with a minority of the vote. In the 
same election, one out of five voters backed Reform Party 
presidential candidate Ross Perot. Yet he did not get a single 
electoral vote. Rodham Clinton and Jackson did not call that unfair. 
They inflame black and Latino voters by pounding on the point that 
the Electoral College gives too much power to mostly white, 
conservative farmers, ranchers, and live stock herders in sparsely 
populated states and too little power to those in racially diverse, 
densely populated states. But scrapping the Electoral College because 
Rodham Clinton and Jackson are piqued over a potential Bush 
presidency will badly hurt blacks and Latinos. Gore's edge over Bush 
in the popular vote was only marginally greater than Kennedy's over 
Nixon in the still much disputed 1960 election. And Bush racked up a 
30 to 19 margin over him in the number of states won. Still, the 
massive support Gore got from blacks and Latinos in California, New 
York, New Jersey Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and the District 
of Columbia enabled him, without--at least for the moment--Florida, 
to top Bush in the electoral column.

Since electoral votes are ladled out to the states according to 
Census numbers, a presidential candidate need win only eleven of the 
most populous states to bag the presidency. This guarantees that 
black and Latino voters are major players in national politics. 
Clinton is a good example of this. In 1992 he relentlessly wooed 
black and Latino voters in California and it paid off. He won the 
state's 54 electoral votes. This is one fifth of the total needed to 
win the White House. During his re-election campaign in 1996, he 
visited California thirty times and met frequently with black and 
Latino political leaders and groups. They again played the crucial 
role in delivering California to Clinton.
Gore and Bush, like Clinton, understood that it's political suicide 
for a presidential candidate not to actively court black and Latino 
voters in the major electoral states. This election Republicans and 
Democrats pumped millions of dollars into ads in black and Latino 
newspapers and radio stations to tout Gore and Bush. The Republican 
National Convention presented their version of a diversity showcase 
in Pennsylvania in a naked attempt to convince blacks and Latinos 
that the Republicans champion inclusion. During the campaign Bush 
spent much of his time in California and Michigan visiting black 
schools and churches in Detroit and Los Angeles and mugging for photo-
ops with Latino and black community leaders. In the Deep South 
states, long thought safe for the Republicans, Bush had to wage a 
furious campaign to beat back the effort posed by the legions of 
black Democratic voters and officeholders to pry loose one or two of 
these states from him for the Democrats.

Gore exhorted Latino and black ministers, athletes, entertainers, and 
politicians to prime his campaign in the key electoral states. He 
prevented a total Bush western blitz with his apparent razor thin win 
in New Mexico by courting the state's growing numbers of Latino 
voters. The magnitude of black and Latino votes in the must-win 
electoral states even blurred the political lines between Republicans 
and Democrats on some social issues. Gore pledged to end racial 
profiling, preserve affirmative action, boost health care for the 
uninsured, increase HIV/AIDS funding, back massive aid to failing 
inner-city public schools, and make racially-diverse appointments. 
Bush soft peddled his opposition to affirmative action, and support 
of school vouchers, talked about boosting education and health care 
spending, promoting immigration reform, making racially-diverse 
appointments. On the campaign trail he kept black Republicans Colin 
Powell, J.C. Watts and Condeleeza Rice virtually locked at his hip. 
In 2004 the states will be reapportioned on 2000 census population 
estimates. California, New York, and Florida, with large and growing 
black and Latino populations, and the handful of other states that 
the Democrats bank on for their major support, will figure even 
bigger in their campaign plans. In the Deep South states that Bush 
won the number of black and Latino voters will also continue to rise. 
And their votes will translate out into more electoral votes. 
Democrats and Republicans will be forced to aggressively court, woo, 
and stroke black and Latino voters, and publicly support policy 
initiatives that benefit their communities.

Thank the Electoral College for that.

jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you think 
workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of 
segregation should be repaid for education?

when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can agree
with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being
reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements that you 
support without bringing up the better counters? i want to underrstand what 
you think.

joe


>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:11:26 -0000
>
>I wouldn't argue that in every case.  Do you support Pol Pot, just
>because he's anti-imperialist?  I don't.  I consider that to be an
>ethical question which transcends the question of so-called "self-
>determination."
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
> > do you deny that every nation has the right to its own historical
> > development without being impeded by (european) aggression/plunder?
> >
> > of course every oppressed nation has the democratic right to its
> > self-determined state.  to argue otherwise is to defend the
>imperialists.
> >
> >
> > >From: jagross66@h...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 05:16:00 -0000
> > >
> > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > >determination &
> > > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> > >the
> > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > >
> > >You're not actually saying that every group that can be defined as
> > >a 'nation' has an inherent right to its own _nation-state_, are
>you?
> > >
> > >Are you thereby defending the nation-state on principle?
> > >
> > >- Jeremy
> > >
> > >
> >
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote:
> Joe --
> 
> I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can 
> tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.

Well, I would guess that the very last living American slave would've 
died in the 1960's.  There were probably at least a few thousand such 
people still alive at the beginning of World War II.  "But that's 
neither here nor there."  

Do your math, sonnyboy.

> What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to 
> slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery 
> was abolished.  

The best connection you can make would be that a great many Blacks 
migrated to northern cities to escape Jim Crow, and to benefit from 
the postwar industrial economy, in the 40's, 50's and to some extent 
60's.  'The Ghetto' was a byproduct of Jim Crow.  Jim Crow was a very 
immediate product of slavery.

But this could never be addressed through reparations, if by that you 
mean giving cash stipends to individuals.  Targeted public investment 
of various kinds as a sort of reparations is a different story.  
That, and certain cultural measures - eg, reforming the way Black 
History is taught as something discrete or separate from American 
History proper.  

Again, this would take the form of a revival of antipoverty and civil 
rights concerns, or even the 'Second Reconstruction' that was 
systematically abandoned after about 1974.  In that case, what you're 
talking about is an inherently pluralist, integrationist mindset.

> What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw money 
> at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people 
care 
> about is getting cash for slavery?  

I think if people support "Reparations", they ought to clarify what 
they mean in terms of public policy.  

reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from entirety of 
slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank.

& to include free education for blacks.

self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to determine 
their relation to their oppressor.

& specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to determine 
precisely the afro-american relation to the US.

"what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one? they have 
no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate them!"-- 
from the intellect of j-low


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:22:53 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote:
> > Joe --
> >
> > I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can
> > tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
>
>Well, I would guess that the very last living American slave would've
>died in the 1960's.  There were probably at least a few thousand such
>people still alive at the beginning of World War II.  "But that's
>neither here nor there."
>
>Do your math, sonnyboy.
>
> > What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
> > slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery
> > was abolished.
>
>The best connection you can make would be that a great many Blacks
>migrated to northern cities to escape Jim Crow, and to benefit from
>the postwar industrial economy, in the 40's, 50's and to some extent
>60's.  'The Ghetto' was a byproduct of Jim Crow.  Jim Crow was a very
>immediate product of slavery.
>
>But this could never be addressed through reparations, if by that you
>mean giving cash stipends to individuals.  Targeted public investment
>of various kinds as a sort of reparations is a different story.
>That, and certain cultural measures - eg, reforming the way Black
>History is taught as something discrete or separate from American
>History proper.
>
>Again, this would take the form of a revival of antipoverty and civil
>rights concerns, or even the 'Second Reconstruction' that was
>systematically abandoned after about 1974.  In that case, what you're
>talking about is an inherently pluralist, integrationist mindset.
>
> > What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw money
> > at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people
>care
> > about is getting cash for slavery?
>
>I think if people support "Reparations", they ought to clarify what
>they mean in terms of public policy.
>
>

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"As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not convinced of 
the benefit of reparations for slavery."  -jim luceno

"I cannot condone national self-determination, especially not for the "black 
nation."  I reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed 
self-determination for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate 
over the issue."  -jl

"...Loss of national sovereignty is incidental...  -jl

"to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an ultra-left error 
and a un- informed remark."  -keith joseph

how, exactly, are these positions different from open white supremacist, 
imperialist, klan analysis?

"How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or change his mind 
or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?"  -kj

i think i made an educational argument, and that it was rejected fully.  im 
not trying to change peoples mind.  thats their own responsibility.  jim is 
an educated, relatively (i.e.--to his nationally oppressed neighbors on 
sanford st. whose rights & realities he denies) privileged person.

i will struggle with anyone to the extent they represent an objectively 
progressive position.  however, i will oppose & expose every backward 
position to the end, no matter who it comes from.  in this way, to unite 
with & organize the oppressed masses.

yr speaking to the wrong person about bringing together revolutionary 
intellectuals and workers.

"First of all,  most people are against reparations that's why
we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it." -kj

this argument sums up the tendency to slander the people, as way to 
compromise with reactionaries, & then attack principled, working-class 
positions as "ultra-left" & "counter-revolutionary" as cover.

the only people opposed to reparations for the oppressed are the oppressors 
who would have to pay them, and comfortable, self-inflated, so-called 
"intellectuals".

even the republicans recognize the people are conscious of being robbed 
(especially oppressed nations of all classes).  this is why they sell 
"tax-cuts" against the "tax&spend" democrats, to "give back to the 
hard-working people what is rightfully theirs..."  how whitman beat florio 
to begin with.

the reason we don't have reparations is because of the army & the police, 
the ruling class state to which yr friend curtis is so loyal.


>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
>
>I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and 
>Repartaions and Jim
>and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully moving 
>forward, and
>many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to. For 
>insatnce when he
>says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern classes" 
>taking
>control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of 
>Afro-Americans to the US
>is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic anti-feudal
>revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
>However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an 
>ultra-left error and
>a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against reparations 
>that's why
>we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To say that 
>Jim's
>analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him a Klans 
>man) is
>counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather than 
>organize them.
>Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer togther 
>towards
>unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards disunity.
>I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had a line 
>analgous to
>the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you expect Jim 
>to do
>otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him or 
>change his mind
>or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
>This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the attack 
>on Curtis is
>but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an enemy 
>where there
>was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left line and its
>rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force towards 
>uniting
>revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a long way in 
>  defeating
>the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates NJFO and 
>the People's
>Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people like Jim and 
>Curtis (to
>name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be organized 
>and we will
>have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good vehicle to 
>bring
>ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse to force 
>people to
>accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of imperialsim.
>
>cliff smith wrote:
>
> > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction of 
>national
> > "soveriegnty"?
> >
> > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your right to 
>it?
> >
> > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only 
>economically,
> > & not also necessarily politically.
> >
> > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national 
>governments.
> > else why eliminate allende?
> >
> > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national oppression of 
>Black
> > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos are not
> > super-exploited/oppressed?
> >
> > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo obliterated 
>for
> > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by poor 
>whites?
> > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs? the 
>vast,
> > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation) south?
> >
> > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-America, 
>but
> > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its economic, 
>political,
> > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny goodman to 
>jazz,
> > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$ from 
>these
> > Black national markets?  sony?
> >
> > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with dubois "black
> > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some charles 
>mingus.
> > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> >
> > >From: jmluceno@...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > >
> > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > >determination &
> > > > the theft of national resources.  your celebrated "modernism" is
> > >the
> > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > >
> > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value from one
> > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > >
> > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the U.S. and
> > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if you like,
> > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and industrialization has
> > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > >
> > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing national
> > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.  I'll agree
> > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class question,
> > >not a race question.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however democracy
> > >means those
> > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the US urban
> > >centers,
> > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have the
> > >right to
> > > > politically & economically control those areas in which they are
> > >the
> > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which they
> > >have never
> > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black peoples
> > >in US.
> > >
> > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the grassroots
> > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of *race*?  Why?
> > >
> > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify themselves
> > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's word)
> > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to form
> > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.  Should they
> > >be allowed to?
> > >
> > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local government
> > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have you)
> > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what you will
> > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than what the
> > >state governments would have done.
> > >
> > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class along
> > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are unique
> > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot understand,
> > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage is what
> > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts before
> > >sending people to the camps.
> > >
> > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's be real.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st & demand
> > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship, which is the
> > >heart of
> > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > >problems".
> > >
> > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a community
> > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or better
> > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an international
> > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then we can
> > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need something
> > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > >proletariat.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by fascist
> > >terror. the
> > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > >scheme.  where
> > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > >
> > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the return of
> > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the southern
> > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > >
> > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced Reconstruction
> > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S. army, that
> > >would have afforded them real local control and self-determination.
> > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could have
> > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > >
> > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal force?
> > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away because it
> > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > >
> > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is drawn
> > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the harvest.
> > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of human-kind
> > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real political
> > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget about
> > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class about
> > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the idea
> > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the idea we
> > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part of
> > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.  Because you
> > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once redevelopment
> > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves in the
> > >suburbs.
> > >
> > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of the
> > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by balkanizing
> > >the United States?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation: common
> > >geographic
> > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward first by
> > >Joe
> > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > >
> > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how Joe
> > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for Lenin, and
> > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites after the
> > >war.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for women against patriarchy!
> > > >
> > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against capital!
> > > >
> > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > >
> > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of Sandford St.
> > >down
> > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > >
> > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-determination.  I'm
> > > > >not following.
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down with radical
> > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do you get
> > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > >
> > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > >reparations
> > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic rights and
> > > > >the only
> > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
> > > > >convinced
> > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
> > > > >heard
> > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I
> > >can
> > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
> > > > >about
> > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
> > > > >up, I
> > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot
> > >condone
> > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
> > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > >determination
> > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
> > > > >issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or
> > >the
> > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have
> > >never had
> > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it
> > >belongs
> > > > >in a
> > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against
> > >in
> > > > >both
> > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick,
> > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S
> > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
> > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and
> > >their
> > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly
> > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey
> > >State
> > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice
> > >Peter
> > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
> > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color,
> > >commits
> > > > >a
> > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and
> > >severe
> > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
> > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent
> > >with
> > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
> > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the
> > >state
> > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful
> > >practice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls
> > >upon the
> > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
> > > > >senators
> > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long last, been
> > >revealed
> > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
> > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute
> > >than
> > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes
> > >that
> > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > >civilian
> > > > >police
> > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate
> > >crimes
> > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > >already
> > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if
> > >they are
> > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >   FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley -
> > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > >
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Last minute reminder.

Special NBHA Meeting Tommorrow, Tuesday, April 10th at 6:30pm at the 
Schwartz/Robeson Community Center at 37 Van Dyke Ave.

The discussion will be on why the NBHA is privatizing the Phase I portion of 
Hope VI.

Please come out to defend our city.

Jim- In Amiri Baraka's classic The Black Nation, which articulates the call 
for self-determination, he refers to "nation" in the organic sense 
(extrapolated from Stalin's definition to be found in "Foundations of 
Leninism") with the following critiera (to paraphrase):

A historically constituted people with a common land base, common economy, 
common culture, common language, and a common phycology.

If you look at what DuBois referred to as the Black Belt you will find these 
criteria met. (I'm not sure if he also advanced the idea to include the 
majority African American population centers migrated out of the Black Belt 
into 27 major cities) Importantly, nowhere is "Border" referred to, and 
certainly, nowhere is "race" referred to, as both of these are imposed on 
oppresed nations by oppressor nations, as the US on the Black Belt, or Black 
Nation.  Or, if you consider, for instance, the Navaho Nation, which was an 
opressed nation without borders until it was consumed within an oppressor 
nation, and forced onto reservations.  Consider, also, that in The Black 
Nation, Amiri calls for self-determination for not only the Black Nation 
(Black Belt, etc.) but also for the Native American and Chicano nations.  
And more lately, I have heard him advance the call for reparations not only 
for the Black Nation, but also for opressed whites in Appalacia!

Check out the Black Nation...it's around. Later, Matt



----Original Message Follows----
From: jmluceno@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000

You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and
progress.  Period.  You fight against anything that is an objective
limit to democracy.

I agree that blacks are oppressed in America.  Do they comprise a
nation, though, in the strict sense of the word?  I don't think so.

We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway.  You cannot
base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without
falling into totalitarianism.  In the United States, this was the
initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument
that it almost destroyed the country.  In fact, the extent to which
they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was
the extent to which white actually helped save their own country.

I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be
essentially pre-modern.  It has no place in modern democracy.
Sorry.  That's the way it is.  If your idea of a nation, and what you
fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're
just not really progressive.

Are you an internationalist?  I hope you are if you're a Marxist.
Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing
nation state?  Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you
want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or
am I misunderstanding your position?

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
 > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist
profiling at all,
 > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put
forward?
 >
 > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign
slogan?)
 > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community
would
 > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education,
police, &tc.
 > by democratically controlling these institutions. self-
determination is a
 > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit
black
 > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist.
 >
 > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america?
 >
 > joe
 >
 >
 > >From: jmluceno@e...
 > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
 > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
 > >
 > >Joe,
 > >
 > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
convinced
 > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
heard
 > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
 > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
 > >
 > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
about
 > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
up, I
 > >would be against both of those lines.
 > >
 > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
 > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
nation."  I
 > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
 > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
issue.
 > >
 > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
 > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
 > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs
in a
 > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in
both
 > >theory and practice?
 > >
 > >Jim
 > >
 > >
 > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
wrote:
 > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
 > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
 > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
 > > > >
 > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
 > > > >				Press Secretary
 > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
 > > > >? 732/735-1342
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
 > > > >
 > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
 > >Campaign,
 > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
 > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
nationalities
 > >and
 > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
 > > > >
 > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
 > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
 > >Senate
 > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
 > > > >Verniero.
 > > > >
 > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
 > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits
a
 > >hate
 > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
 > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
turn a
 > > > >blind eye to such acts.
 > > > >
 > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
 > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
Committee
 > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
Justice
 > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
 > >police
 > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
 > > > >
 > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
 > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
Justice
 > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
senators
 > >from
 > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
 > > > >
 > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
 > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
hearings,
 > >the
 > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than
ever.
 > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
 > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian
police
 > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes
of
 > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
 > > > >
 > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
 > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
 > >good
 > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
 > > > >
 > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
 > > > >
 > > > >-30-
 > > > >
 > > > >
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how do you propose to "build a base in the working class community" behind 
the position "improve, don't break, the imperialist political machine"?




>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:48:06
>
>Flavio (& all)- With respect to the dedicated work that you and others are
>doing to advance the cause of the people's campaign and democracy, I
>maintain my vote of dissent on this issue.  Legalese aside, it all amounts
>to about the same thing...
>
>To wit: It is safe to assume that every PC member will subscribe to lists 1
>& 2 (in order to get the "official communications" as well as to stay
>abreast of the current debates) & many will probably opt out of the third
>unofficial, non-sponsored, non-NBPC egroup list, which is a transparent
>token gesture seemingly to sooth certain yay-voters' consciences.  This
>model immediately shuts out the general public who are not 'official
>members' of NBPC, which is contrary to the type of organization that we 
>must
>have--(I defer to Keith Joseph's stated defense of flexible organizational
>models rooted in existing community networks and institutions)
>
>Furthermore, what do "intellectual property" & "trademark law" have to do
>with the struggle for peoples democracy & freedom? (...and for all you 
>still
>willing to claim revolutionary democracy & socialism: letting "a hundred
>flowers blossom & a hundred schools of thought contend?")  This legal
>bourgeois jargon is intended to protect private property rights, not secure
>the democratic rights of the people! (ie: NAPSTER!) These concepts are
>diametrically opposed in principle and in substance.
>
>I have stated repeatedly and forcefully my opposition to BOL/SWORD's
>dogmatic attacks on Curtis, but I will not accept this sort of reaction on
>the part of the NBPC.  Is this or is this not a united front?  & if so,
>should we not expect "aggravating" even infuriating and contrary positions
>of all sort to be aired?  Again I maintain that the way to deal with a bad
>argument is to put out a better one--clearly & scientifically...and if we 
>do
>our job, that is, build a real base in the working class community along
>side the existing base in the university, then the people will decide for
>themselves what ideas work best for them.  But if we continue to set the
>precedent that dissenting voices will be silenced, then the PC will end up
>like the ass end of Kenny G's horn heard over the muted airwaves of WBAI
>Radio.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Egroups
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:02:25 -0000
>
>Matt:
>
>I think you may have been misinformed about the vote regarding
>egroups taken on Saturday.  In order to safeguard the good name of
>the New Brunswick People's Campaign from dilution and/or tarnishing,
>in accordance with principles of intellectual property and trademark
>law, the membership, with two members dissenting, and one abstaining,
>decided that:
>
>1. there shall be one moderated listserv/Yahoogroup, in which a
>moderator screens all messages.  That list will be used for official
>NBPC communications, e.g. meeting announcements, minutes, newsletters
>etc.  Any person can read that list but only messages approved by the
>moderator will be posted.
>
>2. there shall be one members' listserv/Yahoogroup, unmoderated.
>Only NBPC members can post to that list but anyone can read the list.
>
>3. there shall be one 'open' and unmoderated list/Yahoogroup in
>substantially the form as this group where any person can post or
>read the messages.  This list will not be 'sponsored' by NBPC in any
>way and presumably, it will contain a disclaimer so stating.
>
>The precise logistical details, including the name(s) of these lists
>and what will become of the present list, is still under
>consideration.  This is not at all like the WBAI situation.  Ample
>forums for debate and discussion will remain.  However, by parsing
>this group into different forums, NBPC members and interested parties
>who choose to communicate by email will be able to better manage what
>kind of information they want to receive.  Likewise, onlookers will
>be able to make a clear distinction between what is official, what is
>members' debate, and what is other discussion concerning NBPC.
>
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defend democracy in new brunswick, dump the republicans in the raritan river 
with large rocks tied to their legs.


>From: FBRIGHT123@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBHA INVESTIGATIONS-URGENT
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:00:03 EDT
>
>
>
>Last minute reminder.
>
>Special NBHA Meeting Tommorrow, Tuesday, April 10th at 6:30pm at the
>Schwartz/Robeson Community Center at 37 Van Dyke Ave.
>
>The discussion will be on why the NBHA is privatizing the Phase I portion 
>of
>Hope VI.
>
>Please come out to defend our city.
>

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> defend democracy in new brunswick, dump the republicans in the raritan
river
> with large rocks tied to their legs.
>

That's right!  Defend democracy, therefore destroy oppositional views.

Err, wait a second.  That doesn't sound like demo--

......<ker-SPLASH>

JOE SMITH IS PROUD, KNOWING NOTHING, BUT DOTING ABOUT QUESTIONS AND
STRIFES OF WORDS, WHERE OF COME ENVY, STRIFE, RAILINGS EVIL SURMISING,
PERVERSE DISPUTING OF MEN OF CORRUPT MINDS, AND DESTITUTE OF THE TRUTH,
SUPPOSING THAT GAIN IS GODLINESS.
TRACY FORD



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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:

> reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from 
entirety of 
> slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank.

It would make more sense to simply figure out what political measures 
need to be implemented, and then ascertain the cost.  Perhaps such a 
calculation could be used as a bargaining point, but it would be 
extremely difficult to get a remotely accurate figure, I'd imagine. 
 
> & to include free education for blacks.

But at this point you may as well simply advocate to have free 
college education for everyone.

> self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to 
determine 
> their relation to their oppressor.

What if the leadership of the "oppressed people" is self-interested, 
corrupt, power hungry, etc?  Who's going to be the spokesperson 
for "Our Culture"?  

> & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to 
determine 
> precisely the afro-american relation to the US.

How would you determine who is indeed an African American such that 
they could cast a vote in this plebiscite?    

Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would 
validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound 
way.  Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would 
probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly 
offensive.  The Klan would certainly like the idea.

I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural 
pluralism to be futile, in any case.

> "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one? 
they have 
> no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate 
them!"-- 
> from the intellect of j-low

Oh, prate not -- what vulgar poppycock!

Yours,

J

JOE, WILL IT BECOME AN IDEOLOGY FOCUSED ON PERSONNEL WELL-BEING,
SPIRITUAL REDEMPTION, AND SELF=REALIZATION WITHIN THE EXISTING
SOCIETY???���
TRACY FORD



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jeremy wrote:
Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would validate 
white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound way. Not to mention 
the fact that many African Americans would probably find the very notion of 
a vote to secede to be boundlessly offensive. The Klan would certainly like 
the idea.
I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural
pluralism to be futile, in any case."

cliff suggested a national plebisite, a vote, for the black nation to 
determine their relationship to their oppressors. expain how this would 
validate white racism in any way. cliff never suggested what the outcome of 
this vote should be, so i am confused as to why you assume he considers 
integration or cultural pluralism futile, can you explain why you put words 
in his mouth in an attempt to de-validate his arguement? also if the 
leadership of the nation is sold-out that is up to the nation to handle, not 
outside aggressive imperialist forces. do you suggest that US Imperialism is 
correct for attacking iraqi soveriegnty because they claim hussein is a 
ruthless dictator?

more specifically, are you for or against reparations and self-determination 
(the basis of democracy!) for the black nation and all oppressed nations? 
can you briefly explain?

joe


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:47:42 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
>
> > reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from
>entirety of
> > slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank.
>
>It would make more sense to simply figure out what political measures
>need to be implemented, and then ascertain the cost.  Perhaps such a
>calculation could be used as a bargaining point, but it would be
>extremely difficult to get a remotely accurate figure, I'd imagine.
>
> > & to include free education for blacks.
>
>But at this point you may as well simply advocate to have free
>college education for everyone.
>
> > self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to
>determine
> > their relation to their oppressor.
>
>What if the leadership of the "oppressed people" is self-interested,
>corrupt, power hungry, etc?  Who's going to be the spokesperson
>for "Our Culture"?
>
> > & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to
>determine
> > precisely the afro-american relation to the US.
>
>How would you determine who is indeed an African American such that
>they could cast a vote in this plebiscite?
>
>Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would
>validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound
>way.  Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would
>probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly
>offensive.  The Klan would certainly like the idea.
>
>I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural
>pluralism to be futile, in any case.
>
> > "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one?
>they have
> > no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate
>them!"--
> > from the intellect of j-low
>
>Oh, prate not -- what vulgar poppycock!
>
>Yours,
>
>J
>
>
>

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this is joe smith. it is my mistake for the comments i made regarding 
frank bright being thrown in the raritan. revolution does not happen 
through personal/narrow attacks and to suggest that, as i did, is 
completely wrong. to remove bright as a person does not remove the 
republican influence over public housing. nor does it provide 
progressive motion for those that live in public housing, which must 
be my work. though the instict to attack republicans was my intention, 
revolution is not vigilanty actions. we must work to organize peoples' 
war on the right as a broad development that will work to raise the 
consciousness of the people to oppose and defeat republican agendas. 
my call was undisciplined and i accept full responsiblity. i will work 
to develop a more disciplined and clear position that can work to 
organize people to embrace revolutionary positions. my comments were 
narrow and not a proper representative of how to organize the people 
in public housing, let alone the community. i must work to put forward 
easily understood peoples' democratic positions while at the same time 
exposing republican agendas as being counter to the interest of 
democratic community control over the institutions that govern the 
community. i suggest to all paying attention to this to offer 
criticisms that will help to provide better ways to attack republican 
agendas in principled revolutionary platforms. that is what i will 
work to do.

joe

good response,

except that jim not only denies the existence of the black nation, and 
denies the right to reparations of afro-americans (whether nation or not!), 
but he denies the right of reparation & self-determination to any oppressed 
nation.  even those whose existence he recognizes!


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Self Determination & Reparations
>Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 00:10:03
>
>
>Jim- In Amiri Baraka's classic The Black Nation, which articulates the call
>for self-determination, he refers to "nation" in the organic sense
>(extrapolated from Stalin's definition to be found in "Foundations of
>Leninism") with the following critiera (to paraphrase):
>
>A historically constituted people with a common land base, common economy,
>common culture, common language, and a common phycology.
>
>If you look at what DuBois referred to as the Black Belt you will find 
>these
>criteria met. (I'm not sure if he also advanced the idea to include the
>majority African American population centers migrated out of the Black Belt
>into 27 major cities) Importantly, nowhere is "Border" referred to, and
>certainly, nowhere is "race" referred to, as both of these are imposed on
>oppresed nations by oppressor nations, as the US on the Black Belt, or 
>Black
>Nation.  Or, if you consider, for instance, the Navaho Nation, which was an
>opressed nation without borders until it was consumed within an oppressor
>nation, and forced onto reservations.  Consider, also, that in The Black
>Nation, Amiri calls for self-determination for not only the Black Nation
>(Black Belt, etc.) but also for the Native American and Chicano nations.
>And more lately, I have heard him advance the call for reparations not only
>for the Black Nation, but also for opressed whites in Appalacia!
>
>Check out the Black Nation...it's around. Later, Matt
>
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 21:37:48 -0000
>
>You fight against racism because it is a limitation of democracy and
>progress.  Period.  You fight against anything that is an objective
>limit to democracy.
>
>I agree that blacks are oppressed in America.  Do they comprise a
>nation, though, in the strict sense of the word?  I don't think so.
>
>We have to broaden this conception of nation, anyway.  You cannot
>base a nation on color difference or on religious difference without
>falling into totalitarianism.  In the United States, this was the
>initial mistake that whites made, and one could make the argument
>that it almost destroyed the country.  In fact, the extent to which
>they moved to make blacks a part of the United States democracy was
>the extent to which white actually helped save their own country.
>
>I regard any split along color, ethnic, or religious lines to be
>essentially pre-modern.  It has no place in modern democracy.
>Sorry.  That's the way it is.  If your idea of a nation, and what you
>fight for, is not going to be 100% secular and universal, then you're
>just not really progressive.
>
>Are you an internationalist?  I hope you are if you're a Marxist.
>Then why wage your struggle in anything smaller than the existing
>nation state?  Don't you become an advocate of balkanization if you
>want to separate one ethnic group from another within a country, or
>am I misunderstanding your position?
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>  > why even demand that verneiro be removed? why fight racist
>profiling at all,
>  > and not work to advance upon the current positions being put
>forward?
>  >
>  > the question of "community control" (if that is still the campaign
>slogan?)
>  > is a question of self-determination. that is, that the community
>would
>  > determine their relationship to housing, childcare, education,
>police, &tc.
>  > by democratically controlling these institutions. self-
>determination is a
>  > democratic demand and as DuBios stated - either america will admit
>black
>  > people on the basis of democracy, or america will cease to exist.
>  >
>  > do you disagree that there is an oppressed black nation in america?
>  >
>  > joe
>  >
>  >
>  > >From: jmluceno@e...
>  > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>  > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>  > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>  > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
>  > >
>  > >Joe,
>  > >
>  > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I am not
>convinced
>  > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I have not
>heard
>  > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only arguments I can
>  > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments against it.
>  > >
>  > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a statement
>about
>  > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the debate came
>up, I
>  > >would be against both of those lines.
>  > >
>  > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I cannot condone
>  > >national self-determination, especially not for the "black
>nation."  I
>  > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-determination
>  > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate over the
>issue.
>  > >
>  > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's Campaign or the
>  > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we have never had
>  > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think it belongs
>in a
>  > >press statement on police brutality, something we are against in
>both
>  > >theory and practice?
>  > >
>  > >Jim
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
>wrote:
>  > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black Nation!??
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
>  > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>  > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
>  > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE VERNIERO
>  > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
>  > > > >
>  > > > >				NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
>  > > > >				Press Secretary
>  > > > >				P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903
>  > > > >? 732/735-1342
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR VERNIERO'S OUSTER
>  > > > >
>  > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's
>  > >Campaign,
>  > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents and their
>  > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
>nationalities
>  > >and
>  > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following statement today:
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC) warmly welcomes
>  > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New Jersey State
>  > >Senate
>  > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court Justice Peter
>  > > > >Verniero.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	Any police officer who engages in racial profiling and
>  > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of color, commits
>a
>  > >hate
>  > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by swift and severe
>  > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their superiors who
>turn a
>  > > > >blind eye to such acts.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	The removal of Justice Verniero would be consistent with
>  > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate Judiciary
>Committee
>  > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's satisfaction, that
>Justice
>  > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling in the state
>  > >police
>  > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this hateful practice.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	The New Brunswick People's Campaign further calls upon the
>  > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution calling for
>Justice
>  > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan group of
>senators
>  > >from
>  > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	In light of the facts that have, at long last, been revealed
>  > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary Committee's
>hearings,
>  > >the
>  > > > >need for community control over police is now more acute than
>ever.
>  > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and believes that
>  > > > >community control, including democratically elected civilian
>police
>  > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the hate crimes
>of
>  > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of color.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	The minority caucus of the State Legislature is already
>  > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all legislators, if they are
>  > >good
>  > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa Coiley - 732/514-0610
>  > > > >
>  > > > >-30-
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > >
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full & immediate reparations, unrestricted.

full & immediate self-determination means the right to decide.

to decide the relation to the the US.
to decide who is eligible to vote.
to decide all related questions.


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:47:42 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
>
> > reparations as full, entire $$ calculated of value produced from
>entirety of
> > slave labor to be deposited in a black national bank.
>
>It would make more sense to simply figure out what political measures
>need to be implemented, and then ascertain the cost.  Perhaps such a
>calculation could be used as a bargaining point, but it would be
>extremely difficult to get a remotely accurate figure, I'd imagine.
>
> > & to include free education for blacks.
>
>But at this point you may as well simply advocate to have free
>college education for everyone.
>
> > self-determination to mean the right of an oppressed peoples to
>determine
> > their relation to their oppressor.
>
>What if the leadership of the "oppressed people" is self-interested,
>corrupt, power hungry, etc?  Who's going to be the spokesperson
>for "Our Culture"?
>
> > & specifically, at minimum, a black american plebiscite to
>determine
> > precisely the afro-american relation to the US.
>
>How would you determine who is indeed an African American such that
>they could cast a vote in this plebiscite?
>
>Unlike reparations of whatever type, it seems that to do this would
>validate white racism (and racism generally) in a rather profound
>way.  Not to mention the fact that many African Americans would
>probably find the very notion of a vote to secede to be boundlessly
>offensive.  The Klan would certainly like the idea.
>
>I presume this means that you consider integration or cultural
>pluralism to be futile, in any case.
>
> > "what is the *immediate* connection betwen THIS word & THIS one?
>they have
> > no connection becuase they have other words & spaces which separate
>them!"--
> > from the intellect of j-low
>
>Oh, prate not -- what vulgar poppycock!
>
>Yours,
>
>J
>
>
>

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spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers!

referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist david 
horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for black-and 
racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an 
emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white supremacist 
spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence 
directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy can 
be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically 
inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum to 
fall to such standards.
emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center.
contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@... for ride or agenda 
topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily targum 
- go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section.
the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an 
explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper for 
white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the student 
body. also e-mail news@... - let us flood them with our outcry. 
tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 and 
suggest that others do the same.
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OH MY GOD!!

An opinion that differs from yours!!!

This is an emergency.  IMMEDIATELY DEMAND that the whole world shit its
pants and prevent the offending opinion from being heard.  Let's form an
army and march down to Targum headquarters.  On our way back, we shall have
the heads of all Targum staff members on sticks and parade them around in
New Brunswick as the masses cheer us on.

With Joe and Cliff Smith leading.  Just imagine it -- democracy in action!

> spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers!
>
> referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist david
> horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for
black-and
> racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an
> emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white
supremacist
> spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence
> directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy
can
> be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically
> inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum to
> fall to such standards.
> emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center.
> contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@... for ride or agenda
> topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily
targum
> - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section.
> the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an
> explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper for
> white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the student
> body. also e-mail news@... - let us flood them with our
outcry.
> tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50
and
> suggest that others do the same.
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I am glad Joe that you have retracted your threat of
murder, at least for the time being.  Perhaps if at
some point in the future you decide it would a great
way to start a "revolution" you will change your mind?

This is not about discipline or lack of discipline, or
principle or lack of principle.  This is about a human
being.  If you cannot see another's humanity and
accept their right to live, you cannot organize
people.  If people are simply tools for the
"revolution", they will not be organized.  Attacks on
a persons life, racist attacks, threats and
manipulation, all of which deny another's right to
exist and be self-determining, while oppressing them
often at the same time, all to serve some glorious end
cooked up in your mind, demonstrate to people you are
not capable of, or refuse to, relate to them as human
beings.  If you cannot do that, you've missed the boat
called life.

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republicans put forward republican lines, not human lines. zofia, your 
"humanity" has no class divisions? understand that this is not about a human 
being, we must attack republicans and organize the people to do so. it is in 
my interest to get republicans out of the "boat".

joe



>From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Threats
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I am glad Joe that you have retracted your threat of
>murder, at least for the time being.  Perhaps if at
>some point in the future you decide it would a great
>way to start a "revolution" you will change your mind?
>
>This is not about discipline or lack of discipline, or
>principle or lack of principle.  This is about a human
>being.  If you cannot see another's humanity and
>accept their right to live, you cannot organize
>people.  If people are simply tools for the
>"revolution", they will not be organized.  Attacks on
>a persons life, racist attacks, threats and
>manipulation, all of which deny another's right to
>exist and be self-determining, while oppressing them
>often at the same time, all to serve some glorious end
>cooked up in your mind, demonstrate to people you are
>not capable of, or refuse to, relate to them as human
>beings.  If you cannot do that, you've missed the boat
>called life.
>
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I AGREE WITH ZOFIA
TRACY FORD



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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:

That's an incredibly bad idea.

Horowitz's ultimate aim, I think, is to create a popular reaction 
against nominally left or at least liberal academics throughout the 
universities in this country.  Like many neoconservatives, he's very 
opposed to the fact that the social sciences and humanities aren't full 
of outright conservative thinkers.  And he's opposed to the typically 
at least superficially left-liberal culture on campus.  

But it's hard to make this into a major political issue, to make it a 
prominent part of 'public opinion', because usually the universities 
are not a part of most people's daily concerns.  

This ad was an attempt, however, to do so.  He basically staged it 
knowing that students would protest in angry, often ill-considered 
ways.  He could then point to the protests and say, "See!  There's a 
huge Marxist conspiracy in the universities in this country.  Look how 
disgusting it is.  And the Left is really racist, don't you know!".

The last thing you want to do is to, basically, make yourself a tool of 
David Horowitz.  

Yours,

Jeremy



> spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers!
> 
> referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist david 
> horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for black-and 
> racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an 
> emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white supremacist 
> spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence 
> directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy can 
> be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically 
> inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum to 
> fall to such standards.
> emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center.
> contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@h... for ride or agenda 
> topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily targum 
> - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section.
> the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an 
> explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper for 
> white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the student 
> body. also e-mail news@d... - let us flood them with our outcry. 
> tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 and 
> suggest that others do the same.
> _________________________________________________________________
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JOE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. A REVOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF
,LIVING INSTITUTES, NEW GROUPINGS AND NEW RELATIONS. IT IS ALSO THE
DESTRUCTION OF PRIVILEGE AND MONOPOLY,[JOE DOE NOT KNOW ALSO, BECAUSE
HAVING MORE IN COMMON MR. JONES AND CAHILL WHO OPPRESS SO-CALLED BLACK
NATION WHICH I AND CURTIS ARE A PART.] THE SPIRIT OF A NEW JUSTICE AND
FRATERNITY, OF THAT LIBERTY WHICH SHOULD OVERHAUL THE WHOLE NEW LIFE OF
SOCIETY, 5THE MORAL LEVEL AND MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MASSES,
PROMPTING THEM TO LOOK TO THEIR OWN FUTURE THROUGH INTELLIGENT DIRECT
ACTION.
TRACY FORD



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zofia-

this is as inane a statement as ive heard from you.

in the real "boat called life", the republican party is chief executioner of 
international genocide.  noone has the right to join this massacre, no 
matter how much some may be charmed.

if you really are concerned with the welfare of the poor & suffering, you 
will be honest as to what is the cause of the situation, and support all 
efforts to end it.


>From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Threats
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I am glad Joe that you have retracted your threat of
>murder, at least for the time being.  Perhaps if at
>some point in the future you decide it would a great
>way to start a "revolution" you will change your mind?
>
>This is not about discipline or lack of discipline, or
>principle or lack of principle.  This is about a human
>being.  If you cannot see another's humanity and
>accept their right to live, you cannot organize
>people.  If people are simply tools for the
>"revolution", they will not be organized.  Attacks on
>a persons life, racist attacks, threats and
>manipulation, all of which deny another's right to
>exist and be self-determining, while oppressing them
>often at the same time, all to serve some glorious end
>cooked up in your mind, demonstrate to people you are
>not capable of, or refuse to, relate to them as human
>beings.  If you cannot do that, you've missed the boat
>called life.
>
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jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda, freely 
spread  through the student funded newspaper of the state university, should 
be protested out of existence?

i remember seeing jeremy read baraka's "death to the klan" speech in high 
passion at brower commons.  lets have more of that!

speak out against racist profiling & police brutality, 1may, brower commons.


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: meet to protest targum
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:36:02 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>
>That's an incredibly bad idea.
>
>Horowitz's ultimate aim, I think, is to create a popular reaction
>against nominally left or at least liberal academics throughout the
>universities in this country.  Like many neoconservatives, he's very
>opposed to the fact that the social sciences and humanities aren't full
>of outright conservative thinkers.  And he's opposed to the typically
>at least superficially left-liberal culture on campus.
>
>But it's hard to make this into a major political issue, to make it a
>prominent part of 'public opinion', because usually the universities
>are not a part of most people's daily concerns.
>
>This ad was an attempt, however, to do so.  He basically staged it
>knowing that students would protest in angry, often ill-considered
>ways.  He could then point to the protests and say, "See!  There's a
>huge Marxist conspiracy in the universities in this country.  Look how
>disgusting it is.  And the Left is really racist, don't you know!".
>
>The last thing you want to do is to, basically, make yourself a tool of
>David Horowitz.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>
> > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers!
> >
> > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist 
>david
> > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for 
>black-and
> > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an
> > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white 
>supremacist
> > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence
> > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy 
>can
> > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically
> > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum 
>to
> > fall to such standards.
> > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center.
> > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@h... for ride or agenda
> > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily 
>targum
> > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section.
> > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an
> > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper 
>for
> > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the 
>student
> > body. also e-mail news@d... - let us flood them with our outcry.
> > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 
>and
> > suggest that others do the same.
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THOSE WORKING IN THEM, IN THEIR INTEREST AS MUCH AS IN THE PUBLIC'S
INTEREST.
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1. demand the targum refuse ink to white supremacists

2. hold university president francis lawrence directly responsible for 
creating an invironment in which rutgers papers would embrace white 
supremacists. "blacks are genetically inferior to whites..."

3. demand from the targum Reparations for printing harawitz agenda. feature 
section to promote black & all national, women, white working class stories 
to run at least once a week.

4. propoganda and agitation to promote march may 16 to defeat racist 
profiling & police brutality. propoganda and agitation to promote defeating 
the republican candidate for governor.

jeremy i do not accept your criticism, where is your better proposal?
do people understand that criticism means nothing if there is no better 
proposal to the one that is criticized?


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: meet to protest targum
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:36:02 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
>
>That's an incredibly bad idea.
>
>Horowitz's ultimate aim, I think, is to create a popular reaction
>against nominally left or at least liberal academics throughout the
>universities in this country.  Like many neoconservatives, he's very
>opposed to the fact that the social sciences and humanities aren't full
>of outright conservative thinkers.  And he's opposed to the typically
>at least superficially left-liberal culture on campus.
>
>But it's hard to make this into a major political issue, to make it a
>prominent part of 'public opinion', because usually the universities
>are not a part of most people's daily concerns.
>
>This ad was an attempt, however, to do so.  He basically staged it
>knowing that students would protest in angry, often ill-considered
>ways.  He could then point to the protests and say, "See!  There's a
>huge Marxist conspiracy in the universities in this country.  Look how
>disgusting it is.  And the Left is really racist, don't you know!".
>
>The last thing you want to do is to, basically, make yourself a tool of
>David Horowitz.
>
>Yours,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>
> > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers!
> >
> > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist 
>david
> > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for 
>black-and
> > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an
> > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white 
>supremacist
> > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence
> > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy 
>can
> > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically
> > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum 
>to
> > fall to such standards.
> > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center.
> > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@h... for ride or agenda
> > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily 
>targum
> > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section.
> > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an
> > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper 
>for
> > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the 
>student
> > body. also e-mail news@d... - let us flood them with our outcry.
> > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50 
>and
> > suggest that others do the same.
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Republicans in the Garbage Can!


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Threats
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT)
>
>JOE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. A REVOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF
>,LIVING INSTITUTES, NEW GROUPINGS AND NEW RELATIONS. IT IS ALSO THE
>DESTRUCTION OF PRIVILEGE AND MONOPOLY,[JOE DOE NOT KNOW ALSO, BECAUSE
>HAVING MORE IN COMMON MR. JONES AND CAHILL WHO OPPRESS SO-CALLED BLACK
>NATION WHICH I AND CURTIS ARE A PART.] THE SPIRIT OF A NEW JUSTICE AND
>FRATERNITY, OF THAT LIBERTY WHICH SHOULD OVERHAUL THE WHOLE NEW LIFE OF
>SOCIETY, 5THE MORAL LEVEL AND MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MASSES,
>PROMPTING THEM TO LOOK TO THEIR OWN FUTURE THROUGH INTELLIGENT DIRECT
>ACTION.
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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ya mean for instance, that the employees of pse&g wd get together w/ 
the american federation of state, county, & municipal employees, the 
national education association, & the fire dept.,  to co-ordinate 
utilities with gov't apparatus & schools, to everyone's advantage?

well, in part, yes, revolution is a question of the workers' power 
over the state & social infrastructure.  

but more, it is the organization of the whole people to seize control 
of the world's wealth & resources so to organize things around our 
needs, rather than around the profit drive of monopoly imperialism.

it is true that the democrats are part of the oppression of the black 
nation, 2nd only to the republicans, but joe is correct to attack the 
republican organization as the foremost obstacle to social progress.

build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party!

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
> CLIFF, I THOUGHT A REVOLUTION IS ORGANIZATION OF ALL PUBLIC SERVICES 
BY
> THOSE WORKING IN THEM, IN THEIR INTEREST AS MUCH AS IN THE PUBLIC'S
> INTEREST.
> TRACY FORD
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"Ten Reasons Why Reparations for Blacks Is a Bad Idea for
                          Blacks � and Racist, Too" 
                          Editor's Note: The ideas expressed in this 
commentary, as in any commentary run on these pages, are
                          not indicative of those of The Daily Targum. 
The commentary is provided here as a service to our
                          readers, so that they may be informed and 
form their own opinions about an issue causing controversy
                          around the nation. The text below was 
received in advertisement form and has been run as such in
                          college newspapers around the country. The 
Daily Targum refused to run this piece as an
                          advertisement. It is The Daily Targum's 
policy to provide an open forum for debate on the Opinions page
                          for issues concerning the University 
community, and to help students become more aware of the issues
                          concerning the world around them. Again, as 
a service to the University community, to allow our
                          readers to see what colleges, newspapers and 
the public around the country are debating, below
                          appears the exact text from the 
controversial David Horowitz advertisement concerning reparations for
                          slavery. 

very eloquent definition of revolution, tracy!


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Threats
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:35:10 -0400 (EDT)
>
>JOE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT REVOLUTION IS. A REVOLUTION IS THE CREATION OF
>,LIVING INSTITUTES, NEW GROUPINGS AND NEW RELATIONS. IT IS ALSO THE
>DESTRUCTION OF PRIVILEGE AND MONOPOLY,[JOE DOE NOT KNOW ALSO, BECAUSE
>HAVING MORE IN COMMON MR. JONES AND CAHILL WHO OPPRESS SO-CALLED BLACK
>NATION WHICH I AND CURTIS ARE A PART.] THE SPIRIT OF A NEW JUSTICE AND
>FRATERNITY, OF THAT LIBERTY WHICH SHOULD OVERHAUL THE WHOLE NEW LIFE OF
>SOCIETY, 5THE MORAL LEVEL AND MATERIAL CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MASSES,
>PROMPTING THEM TO LOOK TO THEIR OWN FUTURE THROUGH INTELLIGENT DIRECT
>ACTION.
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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TRACY FORD



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FOR MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTER INTO NEW BRUNSWICK AND CONFESS TO BE
REVOLUTIONARIES. THESE ARE DECEIVERS AND THEIR ANTICHRIST WHO LEAD THEM.
I WANT TO ORGANIZE THE UNORGANIZED. BUT WE MUST BE ORGANIZE OURSELVES.
KEITH KNOW THAT JOE DOES NOT HAVE SELF-CONTROLLED AND IF HE HAD IT THEN
HE WOULD NOT MAKE DEATH THREAT TOWARD FRANK BRIGHT. CLIFF IS MORE
PATIENT WITH HIS WORDS AND MIGHT CAN ENTER IN THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. THEY
MUST BE NOT BRAWLERS A ND REVILERS TO COME FROM BLOCK ON LOCK OR SWORD.
FRANK BRIGHT IS THE PERSON THE NEW BRUNSWICK DEMOCRATS FEAR THE MOST .
ARE YOU AFRAID OF HIM?KEITH, JOE, CLIFF, TOM, AND X. OBSERVE THE
OPERATIONS OF FRANK BRIGHT. HE IS SUCCESSFUL. HE MAKES NO EXCUSES FOR
HIS FAILURES. HE WORKS HARD IN A COLLECTIVE MANNER. YOU [PEOPLE WITH ANY
COMMON SENSE] SHOULD DO THE SAME.

I FEEL GOOD ABOUT WHAT FRANK BRIGHT IS DOING FOR US. HIS TRACK SPEAK FOR
ITSELF. I AM NOT SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE IS MY LOCAL REPUBLICAN LEADER.
TRACY FORD



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i made no threat towards frank bright and the self-criticism i offered made 
certain that frank bright was not under attack from my previous statements. 
bright was successful at dividing the peoples' campaign in order to serve 
republican agenda. bright in no way cares one bit about promoting community 
control and he should officially be removed from nbpc as well as all others 
that violate campaign platform. i have enough discipline to put forward 
anti-republican positions, more than i can say for most.

joe




>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Threats
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 03:31:17 -0400 (EDT)
>
>FOR MANY DECEIVERS ARE ENTER INTO NEW BRUNSWICK AND CONFESS TO BE
>REVOLUTIONARIES. THESE ARE DECEIVERS AND THEIR ANTICHRIST WHO LEAD THEM.
>I WANT TO ORGANIZE THE UNORGANIZED. BUT WE MUST BE ORGANIZE OURSELVES.
>KEITH KNOW THAT JOE DOES NOT HAVE SELF-CONTROLLED AND IF HE HAD IT THEN
>HE WOULD NOT MAKE DEATH THREAT TOWARD FRANK BRIGHT. CLIFF IS MORE
>PATIENT WITH HIS WORDS AND MIGHT CAN ENTER IN THE PEOPLE CAMPAIGN. THEY
>MUST BE NOT BRAWLERS A ND REVILERS TO COME FROM BLOCK ON LOCK OR SWORD.
>FRANK BRIGHT IS THE PERSON THE NEW BRUNSWICK DEMOCRATS FEAR THE MOST .
>ARE YOU AFRAID OF HIM?KEITH, JOE, CLIFF, TOM, AND X. OBSERVE THE
>OPERATIONS OF FRANK BRIGHT. HE IS SUCCESSFUL. HE MAKES NO EXCUSES FOR
>HIS FAILURES. HE WORKS HARD IN A COLLECTIVE MANNER. YOU [PEOPLE WITH ANY
>COMMON SENSE] SHOULD DO THE SAME.
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"black" is a country

amiri baraka, 1962.

To add to a growing list of "dirty" words that make Americans squirm 
add the word Nationalism.  I would say that the word has gained almost 
as much infamy in some quarters of this country as that all-time 
anathema and ugliness Communism.  In fact, some journalists , 
commentators, and similar types have begun to use the two words 
interchangeably.  It goes without saying that said commentators, etc., 
and the great masses of Americans who shudder visibly at the mention 
of those words cannot know what they mean.  And it is certainly not my 
function, here, to rectify that situation completely.  But I do think 
that unless the great majority of people in this country begin to 
understand just exactly what Nationalism is (or at least that variety 
of Nationalism which is most in evidence among the smaller, so-called 
uncommitted countries of the world) they will pass from the scene like 
the boxer who "never knew what hit him."

The concept of "acting in one's own best interests" is certainly not 
unknown to America or the rest of the so-called Free World (which I am 
told includes Portugal, South Africa, and parts of Mississippi).  In 
fact, I would say it is just this concept which has allowed the 
Western peoples to remain for so long the richest and best-fed in the 
world.  No matter what people or countries had ultimately to suffer 
while they were pursuing these "best interests", the pragmatic 
efficiency of England, France, or the United States in accomplishing 
such ends is almost legendary.  Weird historical "music," in the 
so-called Opium Wars in China (Britain), the "defense" of the Suez 
Canal (Britain/France), the Spanish-American and Castro-American Wars 
(United States)-some examples, both recent and long past, of this 
"best interests" doctrine as applied by the West-leaps immediately to 
mind.  And these kinds of activities can also be included within the 
definition of Nationalism.  So it seems strange at first to see 
Westerners squirming at the mention of a concept and/or practice they 
themselves have been most responsible for perfecting.  There is a 
comic analogy in the fact that in con man language "savage" means 
"sucker."

The "rub," of course, is that when another people or country, who have 
been used or exploited because it served the best interests of a 
Western power, suddenly become politically and/or physically powerful 
enough to begin talking about their own best interests, which of 
course are usually in direct opposition to the wishes of their 
exploiters, it is then that Nationalism becomes a dirty word-one to be 
stricken from as many minds as possible, by whatever methods.  (To my 
mind , it is absurd to think for a moment that the people who killed 
Patrice Lumumba thought he was a Communist.  They understood exactly 
what he was.)  And it seems a simple enough conclusion to me that most 
of the so-called "hotspots" in the world are caused by this same 
conflict of "nationalism," even in our own South.  (An historical 
aside: The Civil War in the United States was of course the victory of 
the industrial interests in the country over the agricultural-a kind 
of nationalism.  For these same reasons, any white racist in the South 
today who suddenly, for whatever hypocritical reasons, became strong 
enough to convince some large part of the white South that secession 
was the only way to solve the South's problems would be disposed of by 
the tobacco people, etc., in short order.  More "Nationalism."  The 
conflict of interests.

What I am driving at is the fact that to me the Africans, Asians, and 
Latin Americans who are news today because of their nationalism, i.e., 
the militant espousal of the doctrine of serving one's own people's 
interests before those of a foreign country, e.g., the United States, 
are exactly the examples the black man in this country should use in 
his struggle for independence.  (And tht is what the struggle remains, 
for independence-from the political, economic, social, spiritual, and 
psychological domination of the white man.  Put more simply, the 
struggle moves to make certain that no man has the right to dictate 
the life of another man.  The struggle is not simply for "equality," 
or "better jobs," or "better schools," and the rest of those 
half-hearted liberal cliches; it is to completely free the black man 
from the domination of the white man.  Nothing else.  The man who asks 
the question "Would You Let Your Daughter Marry One?" must realize 
that that question is generally outmoded.  The question now for those 
same people becomes "What Would I do If One Turned My Daughter Down?" 
 It is the freedom to make the choice that is my insistence, and the 
insistence, I hope, of most black Americans.)  And it is the new 
nationalists everywhere who are pointing out dramatically the road our 
own struggle must take.  In America, black is a country.  The Cubans 
are attacked by this country because they refuse to let themselves be 
used solely to further in Industrial interests of this country.  
Communism is not the issue.  Lumumba was killed because he resisted 
the designs of the new-colonialists to continue to make money from the 
labors of the African.  Communism, again, was not the issue.

The black man has been separated and made to live in his own country 
of color.  If you are black the only roads into the mainland of 
American life are through subservience, cowardice, and the loss of 
manhood.  Those are the white man's roads.  It is time we built our 
own.  America is as much a black country as a white one.  The lives 
and destinies of the white American are bound up inextricably with 
those of the black American, even though the latter has been forced 
for hundred of years to inhabit the lonely country of black.  It is 
time we impressed the white man with the nature of his ills, as well 
as the nature of our own.  The Negro's struggle in America is only a 
microcosm of the struggle of the new countries all over the world.

The idea of "passive" resistance is not the answer.  It is an Indian 
"rope trick" that cannot be applied in this scientific country.  No 
one believes in magic anymore.  The Christian church cannot help us.  
The new nationalists all over the world have learned to be suspicious 
of "Christianity."  Christ and the Dollar Sign have gotten mixed up in 
their minds, and they know that the latter is the enemy.  It is time 
black Americans got those two confused as well.  The idea of the "all 
black society" within the superstructure of an all white society is 
useless as well (even if it were possible).  We are Americans, which 
is our strength as well as our desperation.  The struggle is for 
independence, not separation-or assimilation for that matter.  Do what 
you want to with your life�when you can.  I want to be independent of 
black men just as much as I want independence from the white.  It is 
just that achieving the latter involves all black men, or at least 
those who have not already taken those available roads into the 
mainstream I mentioned earlier-subservience, cowardice and loss of 
manhood.

This struggle has first got to aim itself at those black men who have 
already taken those three roads to "success."  The "rubber stamps" of 
our exploitation.  Usually, as we know, thees rubber stamps are set up 
as our "leaders."  Official Negroes they are called.  Good.  Let them 
be official.  It only means that they are as sick and useless as 
everything else in this country that has, of recent years, been 
unofficial.  When we speak of the ugliness of American foreign policy, 
we cannot separate our disgust with that from the knowledge that these 
official Negroes, as such, must be the repositories of those same 
policies.  The best interests of the black man in America cannot be 
furthered by these puppets and messengers.  It is not in the best 
interests of the black man if another black man gets up in the United 
Nations and apologizes to that august body for the conduct of "his 
people."  It is not in the best interests of the black American if 
another black American suggests to the world that the only way in 
which his people are going to achieve their independence is to get 
walked on in public places or blown out of buses.  And it is strictly 
up to those black people who realize these things to come out and say 
them.  And we must act now, in what I see as an extreme "nationalism," 
i.e., in the best interests of our country, the name of which the rest 
of America has pounded into our heads for four hundred years, Black.

FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER
BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT
PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION
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Mother to Son

Langston Hughes

Well, son, I'll tell you:
Life for me ain't been nocrystal stair.
It's had tack in it,
And splinters,
And boards torn up,
And places with no carpet on the floor-
Bare.
But all the time,
I'se been a-climbin' on,
And reachin' landin's,
And turnin' corners,
And sometimes goin' in the dark
Where there ain't been no light.
So boy, don't you turn back.
Don't you set down on the steps
'Cause you finds its' kinda hard.
Don't you fall now-
For I'se still goin' honey,
I'se still climbin',
And life for me ain't been no crystal stair.

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a couple remarks on yr post...

1.
                "I do not think that Curtis's statement to the Home 
News was a big deal."  -keith joseph

can you be more specific in yr position? rather than to just say "not 
a big deal" & move on...

does this mean you agree with curtis' statements?

does this mean that, objectively, the statement "we're not here to 
break the political machine, we're just here to do better," and the 
futher offers to "co-operate with the health-care companies to solve 
problems in nb...," when put forward by an official representative, 
spokesperson, & candidate of the peoples' campaign, are not in 
contradiction to the campaign program, & the needs of the people? 

that, objectively, they no "big deal"?

or that you disagree with them, but weigh them against other 
considerations you think worth merit, which you feel makes them a 
"littler deal"?


2.
 
"I do think that it was a mistake to expel Bloc on Lock from the 
campaign. I think that we behaved towards them in the same fashion 
that they behaved towards Curtis. Their attacks on Curtis should have 
been criticized without breaking the unity."  -kj

when you say pc's "mistake" to expel us "behaved the same to us as we 
behaved toward curtis," & then that our "behavior" "should have been 
criticized w/o breaking unity,"  can you identify where our "behavior" 
ever suggested expulsion of anyone in the campaign during the 
election?

do you mean that our undeniable, open, public campaign support/ 
endorsement of curtis, even after expulsion, is in the "same fashion" 
as the pc's complete restriction & censorship of our involvement? as 
tearing down & covering our flyers? as alleging (from yr e-address!) 
that we were being "paid(!?!)" by cahill?  that we extended open 
invitation to all our activities, & to share our resources (bulk rate 
stamps, etc.) and the steering committee withheld even walking lists?

do you mean that our defense of the pc program, "seize power", is in 
the "same fashion" as the steering committee's endorsement of "not 
breaking the political machine..."?

in method, we brought our position 1st to a member of the steering 
committee (yourself) for discussion.  you sd the matter would be 
addressed.  we heard nothing back (as we had also not heard back of 
our criticism of fbright the week earlier).  we then presented our 
position for the consideration of the steering committee as a whole, 
at its next meeting.  this was our "behavior", which was within 
organizational unity, & appropriate toward unified organizational 
resolution.

our expulsion came from "executive order" w/o any public discussion, 
with no hearing of any sort.  further, individuals who had no role 
whatever in the development of our position on curtis were expelled 
for mere "association" with us.  over answering machine messages, and 
from sub-committee (women's caucus) meetings.  requests for written 
explanation are still ignored by the steering committee.

that the executive "purge" everturned the democratic peoples' election 
of joe smith to run the elected school board campaign, & to sit on 
both the tactical & steering committees, effectively recognizing his 
position as parallel that of the candidates themselves.  

that the pc's "elected board committee" turned in not a single 
petition signature toward placing the question on the ballot.  while 
we petitioned for curtis' ballot spot, even after expulsion.

that the "purge" resulted in the effective abolishment of the outreach 
committee, which was the backbone of the campaign, and its best hope 
for victory.

do you mean that our open, honest opinions (whatever yr disagreements) 
are the "same behavior" as historic njfo/steering committee 
subterfuge?


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I have not been as clear as I could be. As you know I stated
> after
> the elections in November That we made mistakes. I certainly do not
> exclude
> myself from those mistakes. I was a member of the streering committe 
and
> the
> People's Campaign's candidate.
> I do think that it was a mistake to expel Bloc on Lock from the
> campaign. I
> think that we behaved towards them in the same fashion that they 
behaved
> 
> towards Curtis. Their attacks on Curtis should have been criticized
> without
> breaking the unity.
> I do not think that Curtis's statement to the Home News was a big 
deal.
> I
> think that it could have been raised to him that we are fighting the
> city
> machine and that we need to break it, I think that we could have
> discussed
> the position of the campaign towards J&J and used his remarks to the
> press
> to bring more clarity to that issue instead of just attacking Curtis 
for
> his
> statemnets. I think that expelling Block on lock was a short term
> expedient
> answer that dodged struggle rather than facing it head on.
>      In terms of the recent discussion I was spreaking of expulsions 
in
> refernce to the decesion to remove bloc on lock from the campaign 
list
> serve. I was at the meeting with you and I clearly remember And I 
hope
> it is
> on video for posterity that the discussion to create an new list was
> motivated by one desire and only one desire: to expel block on lock. 
I
> am
> very confused about it being spun in any other way.
>     In terms of a general trend towads expulsions rather than 
struggle
> for
> unity, I am speaking about the history of the movemnt in New 
Brusnwick,
> which has been quick to expel and quick to dismiss people who have
> decide to
> make a contribution in some other fashion or in some other city as 
if
> New
> Brunswick were the one and only city in which revolutuionary 
struggle is
> 
> taking place. (Although, at the same time I don't see anything
> revolutionary
> about being a dentist or herbalist or Ben & Jerry)
>    Cliff was expeled from NJFO because of his political line which,
> while
> it had an ultra-left tendency, also led the struggle against the
> formulation
> of "Maoism" and "the boycott the '96 election, both are worse line" 
of
> Arthur Henson (which was eagerly taken up by everyone else in that
> organization). The given reasons for Cliff's expulsion was (as X
> admitted at
> the last NJFO meeting) just a pretext.
> 
> The tendency to split or expel origniated with Arthur Henson who 
upon
> being
> criticized unceremoniously split from U&S. ( as AB put it ran home 
and
> took
> his ball with him). X did the same thing when Baraka criticized him.
> 
> I am not denying that Bloc on Lock make it very difficult to with 
them
> since
> any person you organize can may be attcked as an imperialist agent 
if
> they
> do not emrge into the movement fully armed with Block on Locks'
> interpretation of Marxism. Nonetheless, I don't think expulsions are
> productive. Lenin and Trotsky were in the same Party and Lenin wrote 
an
> article entitled "Judas Trotsky and the Trade Unions". We must 
struggle
> for
> unity not splits.
> 
> I also think taht it was a mistake to assist Frank Bright's 
political
> aspirations. There is no problem with him being an activist in the
> campaign
> but in my opinion he had way to much influence over the political 
line
> and
> direction of the campaign. This was my mistake as much as anyone 
else's,
> I
> think that it was a right error. It was done with only the short 
term in
> 
> mind.
> 
> As to the debate over an office/"Center of Democarcy" I attached a 
copy
> of a
> simialr project that I worked on two years ago. It was a debacle 
that I
> have
> no interest in repeating. I have made many mistakes but I try my 
best
> not to
> repeat them.
> I don't know if you have seen it before but it might be interesting,
> perhaps
> a similar budget is being drawn up now. I also have the "Break Even
> Anaylsis" if anyone is interested. First time tragedy second time 
farce
> as
> they say.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Projected Unity and Struggle Financial Report 1999
> 
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> Newspaper printing (2000 issues) ..������������ $500.00
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> 
> 
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> 
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> Website (one time cost)����������������..$200
> Mailing of 1000��������..�����������$300
> Publication of Books and Pamphlets
> 1.on Paul Robeson
> 2. on Revolutionary Art
> 3.on the Black Arts Movement
> 4.Selected Political Essays by Amiri Baraka
> Videos (100)��������������������..$400
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> 2.Collected Speeches
> 3.On Reparations
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> keith,
> 
> though i don't agree with your analysis on the direction of the 
campaign
> and
> the majority in njfo (missionary work, etc.) I respect your 
position.
> the
> difference in positions will work itself out in practice, as we all
> know. i
> do have a question though:
> were you not in the leadership of the campaign around one year ago 
when
> the
> decision was made to expel BoL? did you not agree/advocate that 
position
> at
> the time based on their actions against the campaign as a whole? 
have
> you
> changed your mind and do you now think that was a bad decision? i am
> increasingly perplexed with you and matt's use of "expulsion" as a 
major
> 
> trend of the "right-wing" leadership, when both of you were
> involved/agreed
> to those decisions at the time (thus making you both "right wing" as
> well,
> no?). It appears that you are taking things out of context, which is 
to
> say
> that BoL didn't get kicked out last week.
> 
> Kristina

check yr source, julie.  it came from curtis, not me:

"we're not here to tear down the political machine.  we're just here to do 
better."

& further quoted to work with nb "healthcare companies" to "solve the drug 
problem & other problems in nb..."

these are curtis' statements at the convention, to the hntribune reporter, 
immediately following his nomination victory as peoples' candidate.  he has 
never retracted them.

nor has the peoples' campaign, or any individual in the peoples' campaign 
criticized them.

now produce our "slanderous accusations"...


>From: Julie Poulos <juliepoulos@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Don't cut off your nose to spite your face...
>Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote:
> > julie-
> >
> > produce our "slanderous accusation" against curtis.
>
>--- cliff smith <cliffsmith69@...> wrote:
> > him [Curtis] co-operating with the j&j & their political
> > machine
>
>
>You just did, Cliff.
>
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Propositions About Human Liberation

All presently existing human beings are very closely
related. All are members, not only of the same
species, Homo Sapiens, but of the same sub-species,
Homo Sapiens Sapiens, an even closer relationship. 

The most important physical variations that do exist
among humans, e.g., blood types, body structures, and
brain sizes, all vary more widely within each ethnic
or skin-color group usually described as a race than
they do between such groups. 

Each human being whose forebrain has not been grossly
damaged begins life with a far greater capacity to be
intelligent than the best functioning adult has ever
been able to demonstrate. 

The differences which do exist in the behaviors and
functioning of groups of humans are cultural, are
learned and acquired characteristics. Any human being,
given the opportunity, can acquire and master the same
culture and skills which any other human being has
been able to do. 

There is no human culture which is superior or
inferior to any other human culture in any overall
human sense, though there may be, and are, particular
outstanding richnesses in any culture. Some cultures
have developed farther technically in the mastery of
the environment than others, enabling them to be
misused to oppress members of other cultures as well
as their own people. This does not imply any human
superiority of such a culture. 

All societies which we and our ancestors have
experienced and participated in to date have been
oppressive societies, in which the results of the work
of most of the people was taken from them by the
ruling people by a kind of legal robbery. All such
societies to date have operated primarily to organize
this exploitation of the majority of the people by a
ruling minority. 

These class societies evolved as tools to master the
environment more effectively (using existing distress
patterns i --in particular, greed), and functioned to
that end through allowing some members of the society
time and leisure to think, to accumulate knowledge and
to plan the activities of the society. The principal
forms of class societies which have existed to date
are, in order of their evolution, slave societies,
feudal societies, and capitalist societies. 

Slave and feudal societies were able to be openly
oppressive, using naked force openly against the
slaves and less openly against the serfs. Since
wage-workers are more independent and better informed,
capitalist societies have had to be more subtle in
concealing and enforcing the exploitation and
oppression. 

One of the principal means used by classist societies
to maintain their oppression and exploitation of
people has been to secure the cooperation of different
groups of people in oppressing each other. This has
been done by installing and maintaining attitudes of
racism, anti-Semitism, prejudice, discrimination,
sexism, oppression of young people, oppression of the
disabled, etc., among the different sections of the
oppressed population. 

In this period, racism is the oppression that most
widely interferes with human progress. Racism has
destroyed many millions of people, it has forced
countless others to exist in desperate and miserable
conditions, and, for those that have escaped the
harshest effects, it has significantly diminished
their lives. 

Racism confuses and complicates efforts to overcome
other oppressions: sexism, economic discrimination,
religious intolerance, etc. Because of this, the
elimination of racism is the key struggle in this
period. Ending racism will release enormous initiative
for progress. 

The basic mechanism for keeping any person in an
oppressed condition is the installation upon the
person of a distress pattern or distress recording ii
by hurting him or her in an oppressive and
invalidating way. This leads to one or both of two
results when the distress pattern is, later,
restimulated iii. 

The first result is to be forced again into the role
the person filled in the original hurt experience. In
this case the person is pushed to "accept" or "agree"
to be oppressed, to accept the invalidating feelings,
to be defeated in his or her attempt to remain human.
The slave "agrees" to be a slave, the serf picks up
his hoe and bows his head, the wage-worker feels
inferior and "lucky to have a job." 

The second result occurs when, in an attempt to escape
the role and behavior described in the first result
above, the victim of the restimulation seeks relief by
"occupying" a different role in the restimulated
distress recording, the role of the oppressor. In this
case a white victim may turn the abuse and
invalidation originally turned on him or her upon a
black or other non-white person (the basis of racism)
or a male victim may turn it on a woman (the basis of
sexism), etc. 

An oppressive society actively reinforces both of the
results described above with false "theories,"
propaganda, discriminatory treatment of all kinds,
religious pronouncements, secret societies, etc. In
this way each group�s attempts to resist oppression
are discouraged and its confidence sapped, and each
group is mobilized to cooperate in the invalidation
and defeat of every other group. 

When any oppressed group begins to awarely organize to
achieve its liberation, the members of the group will
feel reactively attracted towards blaming and
attacking the other oppressed groups who have also
been mistreated and as a result have exchanged
oppressive attitudes with their group, fighting with
them as if they were the source of oppression and
leaving the real (and more threatening) oppressor
forces unchallenged. (Thus in the United States,
African-heritage and Latin-American high school
students will be pulled into gang wars against each
other, etc.) Needless to say, this tendency will be
encouraged by the real oppressor groups and the
society in every possible way. 

To attain complete liberation two processes are both
necessary: one: effective, organized social action and
struggle, two: discharge iv and re-evaluation v to
free each individual from his or her individual
distress patterns. 

The two processes are complementary and each enhances
the other. To fight intelligently against social
oppression is to contradict one's individual distress
patterns and expedite discharge and re-evaluation
provided one pursues one's Co-Counseling vi
systematically. 

To emerge from one's individual painful emotion
enhances one's effectiveness in social struggle and
helps avoid mistaken strategy and tactics based on
feelings, provided that one really engages in activity
and doesn't just settle for talking about it. 

To be successful, any oppressed group seeking
liberation must move in two directions: one: It must
consistently strive for unity within its own group
around a clear-cut program of goals and actions; two:
It must consistently seek unity and mutual support
with every other oppressed group, no matter how
difficult this task may seem at first. 

Every group of oppressed people can be reached to
participate in the struggle for liberation if we make
a thoughtful enough approach. 

The first job in uniting people for liberation is to
counter the fears, suspicions, antagonisms and
resentments that have been installed between us. This
means taking a sharp, clear (and patient) stand
against racist, sexist, condescending, and
invalidating statements and language of all kinds. 

In reaching for unity we all begin in a state of being
"afraid of" each other. We have been conditioned to
fear or be suspicious of anyone who is "different." We
can learn to love and trust each other but we must
begin with an attitude of respect, of complete respect
for every human being in the world. The love and trust
can come (and will come) later. 

Every group of people is important to the unity of the
liberation forces. Even individuals from the
oppressing classes are important and must be made
welcome if they really "throw in their lot with the
people." 

Liberation of any group will only be complete when all
oppressed groups are liberated. 


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

i A distress pattern is a rigid set of "thoughts,"
behaviors, and feelings that is left by an
undischarged hurtful experience (or experiences).


ii A distress recording is all the information
(sights, smells, voice, tones, gestures, posture,
feelings, etc.) that gets bound together in an
unusable conglomerate during a distress experience and
then is played over and over (like a recording) in an
inappropriate response to a new situation.


iii Restimulation is the triggering of the recording
of a hurtful experience by a perceived similarity
(sometimes insignificant or remote) in the current
situation.


iv Discharge is a process of the human mind which
converts confusion from a distress incident into clear
thinking. The outward signs of this process are
several physical processes, among which are
non-repetitive interested talking, crying or shedding
tears, shaking or shivering, laughter, and yawning.


v Re-evaluation is the process, which occurs
spontaneously after discharge, through which the
information previously frozen in distress recordings
is understood and turned into usable information.


vi Co-Counseling is another name for Re-evaluation
Counseling, a well-defined practice of listening,
taking turns listening, and allowing and assisting
"discharge," which has the effect upon participants of
assisting them to think clearly where they had
previously been confused.



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the biggest and most violent contradiction in society today is that between 
the people and imperialism. nbpc must put out an anti-imperialist position, 
which would force the hand of those whose agenda it is to serve imperialism 
and attack the majority of people in the world. such as how NBbush freaked 
out when at the convention i upheld marx and anti-imperialism. NBbush then 
nominated anti-reparations lucaeno to chair a campaign he has no 
history/connection to. NBbush & anti-reparations luceano lost the vote, but 
their victory was soon achieved when criticism of the untouchable, who 
worships a skunk, came out. the people v. imperialism must be understood and 
applied in all organizations that claim to represent the community. i 
question the fact that zofia sits in a position of leadership, in a campaign 
that claims to organize for community control, while she puts forward such 
crap positions of reality. nbpc must be led by anti-imperialists and the 
work must present that.

Republicans, more than any other group, represent imperialism against the 
people, and NBbush must go down! Dump DiFrancesco! Build the Peoples' 
strategic allaince with democrat mcgreasy while organizing & promoting - 
Build the Peoples' Democratic Workers' Party!

joe


>From: Zofia Nowakowski <znowakowski@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Human Liberation
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:13:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>From the Reevaluation Counseling website:
>
>Copyright � 1995-2001 The International Re-evaluation
>Counseling Communities.
>All rights reserved. The Re-evaluation Counseling
>Communities
>719 Second Avenue North
>Seattle, Washington 98109
>USA  Email:
>Home Page:
>Voice:
>Fax: ircc@...
>http://www.rc.org/
>+1-206-284-0311
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>
>
>Propositions About Human Liberation
>
>All presently existing human beings are very closely
>related. All are members, not only of the same
>species, Homo Sapiens, but of the same sub-species,
>Homo Sapiens Sapiens, an even closer relationship.
>
>The most important physical variations that do exist
>among humans, e.g., blood types, body structures, and
>brain sizes, all vary more widely within each ethnic
>or skin-color group usually described as a race than
>they do between such groups.
>
>Each human being whose forebrain has not been grossly
>damaged begins life with a far greater capacity to be
>intelligent than the best functioning adult has ever
>been able to demonstrate.
>
>The differences which do exist in the behaviors and
>functioning of groups of humans are cultural, are
>learned and acquired characteristics. Any human being,
>given the opportunity, can acquire and master the same
>culture and skills which any other human being has
>been able to do.
>
>There is no human culture which is superior or
>inferior to any other human culture in any overall
>human sense, though there may be, and are, particular
>outstanding richnesses in any culture. Some cultures
>have developed farther technically in the mastery of
>the environment than others, enabling them to be
>misused to oppress members of other cultures as well
>as their own people. This does not imply any human
>superiority of such a culture.
>
>All societies which we and our ancestors have
>experienced and participated in to date have been
>oppressive societies, in which the results of the work
>of most of the people was taken from them by the
>ruling people by a kind of legal robbery. All such
>societies to date have operated primarily to organize
>this exploitation of the majority of the people by a
>ruling minority.
>
>These class societies evolved as tools to master the
>environment more effectively (using existing distress
>patterns i --in particular, greed), and functioned to
>that end through allowing some members of the society
>time and leisure to think, to accumulate knowledge and
>to plan the activities of the society. The principal
>forms of class societies which have existed to date
>are, in order of their evolution, slave societies,
>feudal societies, and capitalist societies.
>
>Slave and feudal societies were able to be openly
>oppressive, using naked force openly against the
>slaves and less openly against the serfs. Since
>wage-workers are more independent and better informed,
>capitalist societies have had to be more subtle in
>concealing and enforcing the exploitation and
>oppression.
>
>One of the principal means used by classist societies
>to maintain their oppression and exploitation of
>people has been to secure the cooperation of different
>groups of people in oppressing each other. This has
>been done by installing and maintaining attitudes of
>racism, anti-Semitism, prejudice, discrimination,
>sexism, oppression of young people, oppression of the
>disabled, etc., among the different sections of the
>oppressed population.
>
>In this period, racism is the oppression that most
>widely interferes with human progress. Racism has
>destroyed many millions of people, it has forced
>countless others to exist in desperate and miserable
>conditions, and, for those that have escaped the
>harshest effects, it has significantly diminished
>their lives.
>
>Racism confuses and complicates efforts to overcome
>other oppressions: sexism, economic discrimination,
>religious intolerance, etc. Because of this, the
>elimination of racism is the key struggle in this
>period. Ending racism will release enormous initiative
>for progress.
>
>The basic mechanism for keeping any person in an
>oppressed condition is the installation upon the
>person of a distress pattern or distress recording ii
>by hurting him or her in an oppressive and
>invalidating way. This leads to one or both of two
>results when the distress pattern is, later,
>restimulated iii.
>
>The first result is to be forced again into the role
>the person filled in the original hurt experience. In
>this case the person is pushed to "accept" or "agree"
>to be oppressed, to accept the invalidating feelings,
>to be defeated in his or her attempt to remain human.
>The slave "agrees" to be a slave, the serf picks up
>his hoe and bows his head, the wage-worker feels
>inferior and "lucky to have a job."
>
>The second result occurs when, in an attempt to escape
>the role and behavior described in the first result
>above, the victim of the restimulation seeks relief by
>"occupying" a different role in the restimulated
>distress recording, the role of the oppressor. In this
>case a white victim may turn the abuse and
>invalidation originally turned on him or her upon a
>black or other non-white person (the basis of racism)
>or a male victim may turn it on a woman (the basis of
>sexism), etc.
>
>An oppressive society actively reinforces both of the
>results described above with false "theories,"
>propaganda, discriminatory treatment of all kinds,
>religious pronouncements, secret societies, etc. In
>this way each group�s attempts to resist oppression
>are discouraged and its confidence sapped, and each
>group is mobilized to cooperate in the invalidation
>and defeat of every other group.
>
>When any oppressed group begins to awarely organize to
>achieve its liberation, the members of the group will
>feel reactively attracted towards blaming and
>attacking the other oppressed groups who have also
>been mistreated and as a result have exchanged
>oppressive attitudes with their group, fighting with
>them as if they were the source of oppression and
>leaving the real (and more threatening) oppressor
>forces unchallenged. (Thus in the United States,
>African-heritage and Latin-American high school
>students will be pulled into gang wars against each
>other, etc.) Needless to say, this tendency will be
>encouraged by the real oppressor groups and the
>society in every possible way.
>
>To attain complete liberation two processes are both
>necessary: one: effective, organized social action and
>struggle, two: discharge iv and re-evaluation v to
>free each individual from his or her individual
>distress patterns.
>
>The two processes are complementary and each enhances
>the other. To fight intelligently against social
>oppression is to contradict one's individual distress
>patterns and expedite discharge and re-evaluation
>provided one pursues one's Co-Counseling vi
>systematically.
>
>To emerge from one's individual painful emotion
>enhances one's effectiveness in social struggle and
>helps avoid mistaken strategy and tactics based on
>feelings, provided that one really engages in activity
>and doesn't just settle for talking about it.
>
>To be successful, any oppressed group seeking
>liberation must move in two directions: one: It must
>consistently strive for unity within its own group
>around a clear-cut program of goals and actions; two:
>It must consistently seek unity and mutual support
>with every other oppressed group, no matter how
>difficult this task may seem at first.
>
>Every group of oppressed people can be reached to
>participate in the struggle for liberation if we make
>a thoughtful enough approach.
>
>The first job in uniting people for liberation is to
>counter the fears, suspicions, antagonisms and
>resentments that have been installed between us. This
>means taking a sharp, clear (and patient) stand
>against racist, sexist, condescending, and
>invalidating statements and language of all kinds.
>
>In reaching for unity we all begin in a state of being
>"afraid of" each other. We have been conditioned to
>fear or be suspicious of anyone who is "different." We
>can learn to love and trust each other but we must
>begin with an attitude of respect, of complete respect
>for every human being in the world. The love and trust
>can come (and will come) later.
>
>Every group of people is important to the unity of the
>liberation forces. Even individuals from the
>oppressing classes are important and must be made
>welcome if they really "throw in their lot with the
>people."
>
>Liberation of any group will only be complete when all
>oppressed groups are liberated.
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>i A distress pattern is a rigid set of "thoughts,"
>behaviors, and feelings that is left by an
>undischarged hurtful experience (or experiences).
>
>
>ii A distress recording is all the information
>(sights, smells, voice, tones, gestures, posture,
>feelings, etc.) that gets bound together in an
>unusable conglomerate during a distress experience and
>then is played over and over (like a recording) in an
>inappropriate response to a new situation.
>
>
>iii Restimulation is the triggering of the recording
>of a hurtful experience by a perceived similarity
>(sometimes insignificant or remote) in the current
>situation.
>
>
>iv Discharge is a process of the human mind which
>converts confusion from a distress incident into clear
>thinking. The outward signs of this process are
>several physical processes, among which are
>non-repetitive interested talking, crying or shedding
>tears, shaking or shivering, laughter, and yawning.
>
>
>v Re-evaluation is the process, which occurs
>spontaneously after discharge, through which the
>information previously frozen in distress recordings
>is understood and turned into usable information.
>
>
>vi Co-Counseling is another name for Re-evaluation
>Counseling, a well-defined practice of listening,
>taking turns listening, and allowing and assisting
>"discharge," which has the effect upon participants of
>assisting them to think clearly where they had
>previously been confused.
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
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the call is to demand that the targum not use any ink to print white 
supremacist propoganda. this is not an OPINION that differs from mine, like 
a fight about the yankees lead-off man, but rather an opinion that puts 
people into graves. maybe some cannot tell the difference, i reach out to 
the more progressive forces inside nbpc.

joe

>From: "Mathew Levi" <ml@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] meet to protest targum
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:04:06 -0400
>
>OH MY GOD!!
>
>An opinion that differs from yours!!!
>
>This is an emergency.  IMMEDIATELY DEMAND that the whole world shit its
>pants and prevent the offending opinion from being heard.  Let's form an
>army and march down to Targum headquarters.  On our way back, we shall have
>the heads of all Targum staff members on sticks and parade them around in
>New Brunswick as the masses cheer us on.
>
>With Joe and Cliff Smith leading.  Just imagine it -- democracy in action!
>
> > spread this call to action! fight white supremacy at rutgers!
> >
> > referring to tuesday's targum opinion letter from white supremacist 
>david
> > horowitz, "ten reasons why reparations for black is a bad idea for
>black-and
> > racist too" the committee to defeat racist profiling is calling for an
> > emergency meeting to demand that the targum refuse ink to white
>supremacist
> > spokespersons. the committe holds university president fran lawrence
> > directly responsible for creating an atmosphere in which white-supremacy
>can
> > be embraced at rutgers. his comments that black people are genetically
> > inferior to whites is outright fascist and we must not allow the targum 
>to
> > fall to such standards.
> > emergency meeting wednesday 9:00pm 4th floor rutgers student center.
> > contact joe smith 732.586.5535 can_bush@... for ride or agenda
> > topic. the article can be found by searching yahoo for rutgers daily
>targum
> > - go to tuesdays april 10 opinion section.
> > the committee suggest that all persons call the targum to demand an
> > explaination as to why they provide room in a student funded newspaper 
>for
> > white supremacists and demand that they publicly apologize to the 
>student
> > body. also e-mail news@... - let us flood them with our
>outcry.
> > tell them you will be demanding your student funds be returned all $8.50
>and
> > suggest that others do the same.
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"What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
>slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery
>was abolished".

"And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes
>its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to
>a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
>better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
>totalitarianism."  --jim luceno

keith, care to ally yrself with this?
call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, and all 
oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.


"On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I 
made this argument on the street outside my house"  j-low

                 ^^^this is a lie.^^^

>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
>
>Joe --
>
>I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can
>tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
>
>What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
>slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery
>was abolished.
>
>What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is racism
>and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.  That's
>absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.
>
>What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw money
>at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people care
>about is getting cash for slavery?
>
>You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
>determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black nation?
>What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
>connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?  You're
>going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?  What
>does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
>
>Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a phenomenon
>from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-sidedeness is
>exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is.
>
>Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the
>*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does not mean
>having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage.
>And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes
>its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging to
>a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
>better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
>totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, you're
>not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs me up.
>It abandons you.
>
>There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL
>conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other list you
>were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
>argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you do...
>
>Jim
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do you
>think
> > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think students of
> > segregation should be repaid for education?
> >
> > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you can
>agree
> > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it being
> > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the arguements
>that you
> > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
>underrstand what
> > you think.
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> > >
> > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D and
> > >Repartaions and Jim
> > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully
>moving
> > >forward, and
> > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning to.
>For
> > >insatnce when he
> > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-modern
>classes"
> > >taking
> > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of
> > >Afro-Americans to the US
> > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic
>anti-feudal
> > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is an
> > >ultra-left error and
> > >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against
>reparations
> > >that's why
> > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have it. To
>say that
> > >Jim's
> > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call him
>a Klans
> > >man) is
> > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather
>than
> > >organize them.
> > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers closer
>togther
> > >towards
> > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
>disunity.
> > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I had
>a line
> > >analgous to
> > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would you
>expect Jim
> > >to do
> > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate him
>or
> > >change his mind
> > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which the
>attack
> > >on Curtis is
> > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates an
>enemy
> > >where there
> > >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left line
>and its
> > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force
>towards
> > >uniting
> > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a
>long way in
> > >  defeating
> > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that dominates
>NJFO and
> > >the People's
> > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people
>like Jim and
> > >Curtis (to
> > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will be
>organized
> > >and we will
> > >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good
>vehicle to
> > >bring
> > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an excuse
>to force
> > >people to
> > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
>imperialsim.
> > >
> > >cliff smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the destruction
>of
> > >national
> > > > "soveriegnty"?
> > > >
> > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying your
>right to
> > >it?
> > > >
> > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood only
> > >economically,
> > > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > > >
> > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling national
> > >governments.
> > > > else why eliminate allende?
> > > >
> > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
>oppression of
> > >Black
> > > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb Blacks/Latinos
>are not
> > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > > >
> > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo
>obliterated
> > >for
> > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd by
>poor
> > >whites?
> > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, jobs?
>the
> > >vast,
> > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation)
>south?
> > > >
> > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from Afro-
>America,
> > >but
> > > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its
>economic,
> > >political,
> > > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny
>goodman to
> > >jazz,
> > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who profit$
>from
> > >these
> > > > Black national markets?  sony?
> > > >
> > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with
>dubois "black
> > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some
>charles
> > >mingus.
> > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national self-
> > > > >determination &
> > > > > > the theft of national resources.  your
>celebrated "modernism" is
> > > > >the
> > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > > >
> > > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value
>from one
> > > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of national
> > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > > >
> > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in the
>U.S. and
> > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and Huey
> > > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if
>you like,
> > > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and
>industrialization has
> > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > > >
> > > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are stealing
>national
> > > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.
>I'll agree
> > > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class
>question,
> > > > >not a race question.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however
>democracy
> > > > >means those
> > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & the
>US urban
> > > > >centers,
> > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations have
>the
> > > > >right to
> > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which
>they are
> > > > >the
> > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, which
>they
> > > > >have never
> > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all Black
>peoples
> > > > >in US.
> > > > >
> > > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the
>grassroots
> > > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of
>*race*?  Why?
> > > > >
> > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify
>themselves
> > > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your brother's
>word)
> > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom want to
>form
> > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
>Should they
> > > > >be allowed to?
> > > > >
> > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local
>government
> > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what have
>you)
> > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what
>you will
> > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least they
> > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than
>what the
> > > > >state governments would have done.
> > > > >
> > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working class
>along
> > > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people are
>unique
> > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of cultural
> > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot
>understand,
> > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity garbage
>is what
> > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin spouts
>before
> > > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > > >
> > > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  Let's
>be real.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford st
>& demand
> > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship,
>which is the
> > > > >heart of
> > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to solve
> > > > >problems".
> > > > >
> > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a
>community
> > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  Or
>better
> > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your self-
> > > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an
>international
> > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  Class
> > > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, then
>we can
> > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need
>something
> > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of the
> > > > >proletariat.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by
>fascist
> > > > >terror. the
> > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-tilden
> > > > >scheme.  where
> > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > > >
> > > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the
>return of
> > > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the
>southern
> > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > > >
> > > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
>Reconstruction
> > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S.
>army, that
> > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
>determination.
> > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who could
>have
> > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you don't
> > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of federal
>force?
> > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away
>because it
> > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > > >
> > > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line is
>drawn
> > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the
>harvest.
> > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  Progress
> > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of
>human-kind
> > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real
>political
> > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You forget
>about
> > > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history class
>about
> > > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because the
>idea
> > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the
>idea we
> > > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a part
>of
> > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
>Because you
> > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
>redevelopment
> > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into enclaves
>in the
> > > > >suburbs.
> > > > >
> > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power of
>the
> > > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by
>balkanizing
> > > > >the United States?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation:
>common
> > > > >geographic
> > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put forward
>first by
> > > > >Joe
> > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > > >
> > > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about how
>Joe
> > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for
>Lenin, and
> > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites
>after the
> > > > >war.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
>patriarchy!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
>capital!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
>Sandford St.
> > > > >down
> > > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
>determination.  I'm
> > > > > > >not following.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down
>with radical
> > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But where do
>you get
> > > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination and
> > > > >reparations
> > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic democratic
>rights and
> > > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
>VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's Campaign, I
>am not
> > > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That is, I
>have not
> > > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only
>arguments I
> > > > >can
> > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments
>against it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on a
>statement
> > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the
>debate came
> > > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I
>cannot
> > > > >condone
> > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
>the "black
> > > > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed self-
> > > > >determination
> > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated debate
>over the
> > > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's
>Campaign or
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since we
>have
> > > > >never had
> > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you think
>it
> > > > >belongs
> > > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we are
>against
> > > > >in
> > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
><can_bush@h...>
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black
>Nation!??
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
>VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S
> > > > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New
>Brunswick,
> > > > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
>VERNIERO'S
> > > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New Brunswick
>People's
> > > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick residents
>and
> > > > >their
> > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents from all
> > > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
>statement today:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC)
>warmly
> > > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the New
>Jersey
> > > > >State
> > > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court
>Justice
> > > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial
>profiling and
> > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of
>color,
> > > > >commits
> > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by
>swift and
> > > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their
>superiors who
> > > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be
>consistent
> > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate
>Judiciary
> > > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
>satisfaction, that
> > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial profiling
>in the
> > > > >state
> > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this
>hateful
> > > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign further
>calls
> > > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution
>calling for
> > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan
>group of
> > > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long last,
>been
> > > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
>Committee's
> > > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now more
>acute
> > > > >than
> > > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, and
>believes
> > > > >that
> > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically elected
> > > > >civilian
> > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to the
>hate
> > > > >crimes
> > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of
>color.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State Legislature is
> > > > >already
> > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all
>legislators, if
> > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
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--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:
> jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda, 
freely 
> spread  through the student funded newspaper of the state 
university, should 
> be protested out of existence?

Okay:  let's at least establish that there's such a thing as REAL 
white supremacist propaganda, the sort of thing you find being put 
out by "white nationalists".  David Horowitz is not _literally_ a 
neofacist, neonazi, or shrill, overt racist of that sort.  

If his positions are _structurally_ racist ... you can make that 
argument, easily.  But that's a different kind of racism.  It's like 
the difference between killing someone and letting them die, to use a 
rough analogy.  

I don't know about you, but I'd rather make it possible to 
distinguish between David Horowitz and, say, that Barrett guy or the 
Ku Klux Klan.  There's enough of those people that they deserve their 
own special designation.  

And, in any case, if you seek to protest the _publication_ of 
opinions you don't like too forcefully, you'll be working to create a 
climate where nobody can feel safe in voicing opinions that differ 
from the mainstream.  The risk would come to seem to great, for 
progressives and reactionaries alike!  Is that really the sort of 
environment you want?  Since when has censorship even helped the 
Left?  Never.  Whenever the Left wants censorship of something, 
authorities end up using that power _against_ the Left.  

Bye,

Jeremy

DO YOU HAVE COURAGE TO LEAD AND WIN? FRANK BRIGHT IS COMMITTED TO
LOWERING PROPERTY TAXES AND IMPROVING PUBLIC EDUCATION. ANYONE CAN TALK
THE TALK BUT CAN YOU WALK THE WALK? 
TRACY FORD



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JOE DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH PRISON REFORM? DID YOU SOLVE THE
PROBLEMS WITH POLICE BRUTALITY? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AIDS
EDUCATION? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? DID YOU
SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WAR ON DRUGS? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS
WITH EDUCATION?

NO BECAUSE YOU OFFER PEOPLE PART- TIME SOLUTION TO FULL-TIME PROBLEM
JUST AS MR. JONES AND CAHILL YOUR FRIENDS NOT MINE.

I AM WORKING TOWARD REAL RESULTS BECAUSE I LIVE IN REAL WORLD. 

TRACY FORD



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anything specific about the work i've done tracy. why is it that you invited 
me to speak to your congregation? who helped you move those close for the 
poor? who gave you copies of lenin's writings to study? who invited you and 
your children to picnic in the summer?

you jump on me because it suits your purposes to jump on me.

nbpc, stop the splits. dump republicans, embrace the people!

joe


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] The Masses Liberation
>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:31:54 -0400 (EDT)
>
>JOE DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH PRISON REFORM? DID YOU SOLVE THE
>PROBLEMS WITH POLICE BRUTALITY? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AIDS
>EDUCATION? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? DID YOU
>SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WAR ON DRUGS? DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEMS
>WITH EDUCATION?
>
>NO BECAUSE YOU OFFER PEOPLE PART- TIME SOLUTION TO FULL-TIME PROBLEM
>JUST AS MR. JONES AND CAHILL YOUR FRIENDS NOT MINE.
>
>I AM WORKING TOWARD REAL RESULTS BECAUSE I LIVE IN REAL WORLD.
>
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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Let the voices of the oppressed be heard
By:

04/12/01
--------------------------
Yes, reparations for the Black nation and all oppressed nations, as well as 
working-class Whites! These people are owed not only reparations in the form 
of money and free education for the oppression they have endured in the 
past, but they are also owed the democratic right of self-determination to 
determine their relationship to America � something no nation has ever had 
the right to do. The history of America is the history of anti-democracy in 
the forms of the slaughter of the indigenous peoples, the outright 
enslavement of Africans, the theft of the Chicano�s land and the 
exploitation of the White working class. Jim Crow, the overturning of the 
victories of the Civil War, along with the current segregation of America�s 
school system (New Jersey � home of racist profiling � has the most 
segregated school system in the nation), are just a couple examples of the 
anti-democratic, White supremacist positions that point out the fact that 
America is no democracy. The current �selected� president did not win the 
vote! He is a counterfeit president for a fake democracy!

White supremacy, the argument that other skin colors are inferior, is the 
position of U.S. Imperialism and is the leading ideological position of all 
institutions based in this nation. Look no further than Rutgers University�s 
appointed president Francis Lawrence, who made public his White supremacist 
agenda when he stated that Black people are genetically inferior to Whites, 
and that is why they are not entered into Rutgers on an equal basis as 
Whites. Not because of the deeply segregated, racist public school systems 
throughout New Jersey, which are second to none in segregation to other 
states throughout the nation. And not because of a social economic 
relationship that fights with no mercy to keep Black people poorer and more 
exploited than Whites.

It is engrained in our culture that Black people are a criminal class and 
that the middle-class suburbs actually need a police state, fascism, to 
protect them from the inner cities. The fact is that Afro-American 
communities are in need of reparations to provide free education, free job 
training with the democratic right to a living wage, free childcare 
facilities, proper housing facilities with democratic right to affordable 
housing, let along all moneys owed to the Black nation from slavery to be 
put into a Black national treasury.

Students at Rutgers must demand and support the fight for reparations and 
self-determination for the Black nation, locally and throughout the United 
States. The Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling and Police Brutality will 
be organizing a Speak Out to Defeat Racist Profiling and Police Brutality on 
May 1 at Brower Commons. This 11:00-1:00 event will demand reparations and 
self-determinations for the Black nation and all oppressed nations as well 
as the White working class. Also close attention must be paid to the 
Coalition for Justice statewide march on Trenton May 16 to defeat racist 
profiling and police brutality.

<i>Margaret Stevens is a member of the James Dickson Carr Society. Ryan 
Keene is a Newark resident. Joe Smith is a member of the Committee to Defeat 
Racist Profiling. Tamara Dahan is a member of Sisterhood and Struggle. Karla 
Furr is a Rutgers University senior.
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State Police will be recruiting this Wednesday from 11:00-2:00  
outside  the College Ave. Student Center. Protest this and promote 
Speak Out to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality May 1 @ Brower
Commons. All available protestors speak up!

The Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality demand 
that this reqruiting be stopped until immediate democratic reforms 
into Racist Profiling are openly accepted by the State Police. These
reforms range from having the head of the State Police elected by the 
people, to organizing and implementing democratically elected civilain 
control boards that will oversee the dept., to revamping the entire 
training of the NJ State Police. Also, we demand that NJ State Police 
immediately issue a public admission of guilt to the continued 
practice of Racist Profiling as well as to the more subvertive
activities carried out by vigilanty groups such as "The Lords of 
Discipline", who operate inside the NJ State Police and whose terror 
targets women and oppressed nationality Troopers, as well as white 
whistleblowers.

Racist Profiling is the most open vicious attack against people of 
oppressed nations, women, and the working class. No practice is more 
successful in striking terror into the lives of the people, just ask
those youth that were gunned down by State Troopers on the Turnpike in 
'98. The practice of Racist Profiling is not just in the State Police, 
but in every police dept. across the nation. In New Brunswick, police 
officers are famous for running prostitution houses and for shooting 
young black men & women in the back: Shaun Potts ~ murdered while he 
was running from officer Zane Gray in '91 - then, while he was on top 
of her with her face in the mud, Carolyn Adams was murdered in cold 
blood by NBPD Racist Profiler James Consalvo, '96.

The NJ State Troopers promote Troopers that are the best at Racist 
Profiling while Troopers that speak out against the practice become 
the target of unmolested attack from their own ranks and supervisors.
Currently there are over 3 dozen lawsuits concerning Racist Profiling 
from Troopers within the NJ State Police against the NJ State Police. 
One a month, and continuing, since the turnpike shooting blew the top 
and Troopers John Hogan & James Kenna became national poster boys for 
this racist practice that was embraced so much by the two that they 
led the whole state in such things as Falsifying Documents in order to 
hide the skin color of the motorists they stopped. All eyes on Hogan & 
Kenna whose trial is set to begin April 4. May they be found GUILTY on 
all counts, from attempted murder to over 2 dozen charges of 
falsifying documents, and die in prison! 

NJ State Troopers off our campus!
Yes to democratic community control over police depts. at all 
levels(!) - municipal, county, state.

>Subject: Help Save The Court Tavern...
>
>Attention anyone who has ever played or been to the Court Tavern!!!
>My friend has forwarded this petition to me re: the Court, please pass it 
>on
>to everyone who has an interest in our local music scene.
>Thanks, JZ
>
>Hello, the Court Tavern in New Brunswick is being threatened with possibly
>being closed down. A redevelopement project could mean that home to 
>original
>music in New Brunswick for over 20 years could be gone, and since the 
>Melody
>closed a month back, there will now be no more music in New Brunswick.
>Inside I am enclosing three links to three articles taken from the Home 
>News
>and Tribune, or you can visist www.thnt.com and search up Court Tavern to
>find the articles...
>
>The Court Tavern has a vital history for providing original music as a 
>haven
>for artists and musicians in Central Jersey.
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376424,00.html
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
>
>http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,377308,00.html
>
>The details of the situation are explained in the articles. I urge all of
>you to please attend the City Council meeting on Wed, April 18th 2001, at
>City Hall on Bayard st in New Brunswick (next to the Post Office) at 6:45
>and
>voice your concerns...
>
>please attend the meeting and support the last home in New Brunswick for
>original music...also please forward this along to as many people as
>possible.....thanks
>
>You will also notice that a form letter is attached...
>
>Please print out a copy of this letter, fill in the blanks (signature,
>date, contact info) at bottom of letter.
>
>mail to:
>City Council of New Brunswick
>78 Bayard Street
>New Brunswick, NJ 08901
>
>or fax it to:
>732-745-5009
>
>or drop it off at The Court Tavern, on Church st, in New Brunswick.
>
>I am also going to add the text version of the form letter here....
>
>
>
>
>
>To: City Council of New Brunswick
>Dear City Council:
>
>I am writing to oppose the amendment to rezone the area of the two parking
>lots and the Court Tavern property in downtown New Brunswick.
>The proposed zone change serves no public purpose but to facilitate the
>construction of additional office space. New Brunswick has many office
>buildings:  it does not need yet another one.
>This amendment would facilitate the possible destruction of the Court 
>Tavern
>building.
>The Court Tavern is a 40-year old, family-owned business, which has long
>supported an active music scene.  Local, national, and international 
>musical
>acts have performed there over the years, and have used the Court to hone
>their craft.
>We believe that the business and community interests of New Brunswick are
>best served by balancing the uses of its commercial areas, and keeping it 
>is
>a viable, living downtown area that serves the local community.
>Already, many other similar musical venues and local businesses have closed
>or left New Brunswick�Crossroads, The Roxy, The Melody, and Budapest Pub,
>for example�making it even more important to protect and nurture those
>musical venues and businesses we still have left.
>The Court Tavern�s location is essential for its survival as a business. We
>believe that venues such as the Court Tavern, the State Theatre, George
>Street Playhouse, etc. are crucial to the long-term health of the New
>Brunswick that its residents know and love. These and other performance
>centers have added to the character and vibrancy of downtown New Brunswick,
>and have spurred a welcome revitalization of the entire downtown area.
>Please help us to preserve this momentum. New Brunswick is a community, not
>an office park.
>Establishments such as the Court Tavern are indispensable to continuing
>musical, cultural and community growth. This crucial point is being
>overlooked by the proposed redevelopment. New Brunswick has a history and
>reputation, because of venues like the Court Tavern, for being a haven for
>artists and musicians. This very important fact has been the subject of
>numerous articles published by a variety of media outlets, including the 
>New
>York Times and the Star Ledger.
>The impact of this decision reaches beyond the city limits, and beyond the
>city�s pockets.
>I urge you to oppose the amendment, and support our cultural heritage.
>
>Signed:__________________________________    Contact
>info:________________________
>Date:________________              ________________________
>                    _____________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>

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sat. nite 9:30, court tavern:

long-time, former local, court musician greg digesu & his new band 
"speedsters & dopers" w/ suran song in stag & instant death.


>From: "kristina bas" <KRISBAS@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, 
>tsinclai@..., traceyx@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Help Save The Court Tavern...
>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:26:40
>
>
>
> >Subject: Help Save The Court Tavern...
> >
> >Attention anyone who has ever played or been to the Court Tavern!!!
> >My friend has forwarded this petition to me re: the Court, please pass it
> >on
> >to everyone who has an interest in our local music scene.
> >Thanks, JZ
> >
> >Hello, the Court Tavern in New Brunswick is being threatened with 
>possibly
> >being closed down. A redevelopement project could mean that home to
> >original
> >music in New Brunswick for over 20 years could be gone, and since the
> >Melody
> >closed a month back, there will now be no more music in New Brunswick.
> >Inside I am enclosing three links to three articles taken from the Home
> >News
> >and Tribune, or you can visist www.thnt.com and search up Court Tavern to
> >find the articles...
> >
> >The Court Tavern has a vital history for providing original music as a
> >haven
> >for artists and musicians in Central Jersey.
> >
> >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376424,00.html
> >
> >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,376861,00.html
> >
> >http://www.thnt.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,377308,00.html
> >
> >The details of the situation are explained in the articles. I urge all of
> >you to please attend the City Council meeting on Wed, April 18th 2001, at
> >City Hall on Bayard st in New Brunswick (next to the Post Office) at 6:45
> >and
> >voice your concerns...
> >
> >please attend the meeting and support the last home in New Brunswick for
> >original music...also please forward this along to as many people as
> >possible.....thanks
> >
> >You will also notice that a form letter is attached...
> >
> >Please print out a copy of this letter, fill in the blanks (signature,
> >date, contact info) at bottom of letter.
> >
> >mail to:
> >City Council of New Brunswick
> >78 Bayard Street
> >New Brunswick, NJ 08901
> >
> >or fax it to:
> >732-745-5009
> >
> >or drop it off at The Court Tavern, on Church st, in New Brunswick.
> >
> >I am also going to add the text version of the form letter here....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >To: City Council of New Brunswick
> >Dear City Council:
> >
> >I am writing to oppose the amendment to rezone the area of the two 
>parking
> >lots and the Court Tavern property in downtown New Brunswick.
> >The proposed zone change serves no public purpose but to facilitate the
> >construction of additional office space. New Brunswick has many office
> >buildings:  it does not need yet another one.
> >This amendment would facilitate the possible destruction of the Court
> >Tavern
> >building.
> >The Court Tavern is a 40-year old, family-owned business, which has long
> >supported an active music scene.  Local, national, and international
> >musical
> >acts have performed there over the years, and have used the Court to hone
> >their craft.
> >We believe that the business and community interests of New Brunswick are
> >best served by balancing the uses of its commercial areas, and keeping it
> >is
> >a viable, living downtown area that serves the local community.
> >Already, many other similar musical venues and local businesses have 
>closed
> >or left New Brunswick�Crossroads, The Roxy, The Melody, and Budapest Pub,
> >for example�making it even more important to protect and nurture those
> >musical venues and businesses we still have left.
> >The Court Tavern1s location is essential for its survival as a business. 
>We
> >believe that venues such as the Court Tavern, the State Theatre, George
> >Street Playhouse, etc. are crucial to the long-term health of the New
> >Brunswick that its residents know and love. These and other performance
> >centers have added to the character and vibrancy of downtown New 
>Brunswick,
> >and have spurred a welcome revitalization of the entire downtown area.
> >Please help us to preserve this momentum. New Brunswick is a community, 
>not
> >an office park.
> >Establishments such as the Court Tavern are indispensable to continuing
> >musical, cultural and community growth. This crucial point is being
> >overlooked by the proposed redevelopment. New Brunswick has a history and
> >reputation, because of venues like the Court Tavern, for being a haven 
>for
> >artists and musicians. This very important fact has been the subject of
> >numerous articles published by a variety of media outlets, including the
> >New
> >York Times and the Star Ledger.
> >The impact of this decision reaches beyond the city limits, and beyond 
>the
> >city1s pockets.
> >I urge you to oppose the amendment, and support our cultural heritage.
> >
> >Signed:__________________________________    Contact
> >info:________________________
> >Date:________________              ________________________
> >                    _____________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Cincinnati continues curfew to prevent
                     further riots 

                     By JOE MILICIA
                     The Associated Press
                     4/13/01 8:25 PM

                     CINCINNATI (AP) -- The mayor extended the curfew 
forcing churches to
                     cancel or postpone nighttime Good Friday services 
after three nights of
                     rioting over the police killing of an unarmed 
black man. 

                     In what was seen as a victory for critics who 
demanded changes at the
                     police department, the city official who oversees 
police and fire operations
                     resigned. Safety Director Kent Ryan, 55, cited 
personal and health
                     reasons. He spent a night in a hospital with chest 
pains four days ago. 

                     Mayor Charles Luken said Friday he was extending 
the curfew reluctantly
                     and expected it to continue until at least Easter 
Sunday. 

                     "A lot of businesses are suffering," Luken said. 
"We'd like to get them
                     back in business as soon as we can." 

                     Luken had declared a state of emergency Thursday 
and imposed the
                     dusk-to-dawn curfew to halt Cincinnati's worst 
racial violence since Martin
                     Luther King's assassination in 1968. 

                     Police made 153 arrests related to the curfew that 
lasted from 8 p.m. to 6
                     a.m. Fifty-four adults and nine juveniles were 
arrested on other charges;
                     police did not say how many of those arrests were 
riot-related. 

                     Timothy Thomas, 19, who was shot while fleeing a 
police officer, was to
                     be buried Saturday after a church service in Over-
the-Rhine, the
                     neighborhood where most of the rioting occurred 
Monday through
                     Wednesday. Police were preparing for a large 
turnout at the funeral. 

                     "That could be a potential problem for us. There's 
no doubt," police
                     spokesman Lt. Ray Ruberg said. 

                     A resident who plans to attend the funeral said he 
thinks the violence is
                     over and that religious leaders will keep Saturday 
peaceful. 

                     "I like to think there will be enough leadership 
out there to address that,"
                     said Tyrone Smith, 50. 

                     Helmeted police officers, joined by 120 state 
Highway Patrol troopers and
                     sheriff's deputies, outnumbered residents on the 
deserted streets
                     Thursday night, enabling them to prevent all but a 
few incidents. 

                     Police Chief Thomas Streicher also credited 
residents with ending the
                     rioting. 

                     "Last night went well beyond our expectations. We 
had a tremendous
                     amount of voluntary cooperation from the 
citizens," he said. 

                     There were sporadic reports of rock and bottle 
throwing and gunfire
                     overnight. The most serious incident was a fire at 
a delicatessen that
                     caused $100,000 damage, Streicher said. 

                     During the curfew, only those who were going to 
work or had
                     emergencies were allowed to travel in the city of 
331,000, which is 43
                     percent black. Convictions for curfew violations 
carry up to six months in
                     jail or a $1,000 fine. 

                     Police did not have a damage estimate from the 
rioting. 

                     As federal investigators and county prosecutors 
began looking into
                     Thomas' death, Luken agreed that unspecified 
changes are needed in
                     the police department. Since 1995, 15 people have 
died during
                     confrontations with Cincinnati police -- all black 
males. 

                     Police union President Keith Fangman said that in 
many of those deaths,
                     officers were threatened or were returning 
gunfire. 

                     "Why are we not explaining that in 10 of these 
cases, suspects pointed
                     guns or fired guns at the officers?" he said. 
"When (suspects) are armed
                     with guns, do people just expect us to be shot?" 

                     In two cases, Fangman said suspects ran down 
officers with cars, and in
                     another confrontation a suspect swung a board with 
nails at the officer
                     before being killed. 

                     Last year an officer fatally shot a black 12-year-
old boy while he was
                     being dragged by the boy's car, Fangman added. The 
officer, also black,
                     died after falling from the car. 

                     NAACP national President Kweisi Mfume called 
Cincinnati "ground zero"
                     in race relations. 

                     "If it's not solved here, it won't be solved 
anywhere," he said. "When
                     police officers, particularly good officers, get 
tainted by those who take
                     the law into their own hands, it's up to the 
police to break the blue wall of
                     silence." 

                     At Cincinnati's downtown Fountain Square, several 
hundred people
                     attended an interfaith Good Friday service, where 
Christian, Jewish and
                     Muslim leaders appealed for calm. 

                     The Rt. Rev. Herbert Thompson Jr., bishop of the 
Episcopal Diocese of
                     Southern Ohio, compared the week of Christ's death 
with this week's
                     rampage. 

                     "It was a time of social unrest, of fear and 
anger," Thompson said. "That
                     is why, Cincinnati, I am hopeful for us ... after 
the suffering and death
                     comes resurrection." 

JOE,
 THAT I HAVE NOT ALWAYS SEEN EYE TO EYE WITH YOU WILL COME AS NO
SURPRISE TO YOU, NOR WILL IT BE IRRITANT, AND YOU HAVE SHOWN YOURSELF
GENEROUSLY OBLIVIOUS OF CRITICISMS WHICH IT WOULD VIRTUALLY ALWAYS HAVE
BEEN REASONABLE AND HUMAN TO REGARD AS UNFAIR AND OVER-STATED. THAT , IN
MY EYES, IS A QUALITY OF SOME SIGNIFICANCE, AND IT IS TESTIMONY TO THE
MARX-LENINIST NATURE OF YOUR MIND. SPEAKING AS A FRIEND OF COURSE, THAT
CERTAINTY EFFECTIVELY MAKE UP FOR IDEOLOGICAL IDIOSYNCRASIES WHICH YOU
HAVE OFTEN DISPLAYED IN YOUR ARTICLES WITH THEIR HIGHLY PERSONAL STYLE
AND IN YOUR ADMIRABLY ELOQUENT SPEECHES.

 BUT IT IS NOT ABOUT THAT THAT I WISH TO ENGAGE YOU TODAY. I HOPE SOME
DAY TO BROACH THOSE MATTERS AND ANOTHER WITH YOU DIRECTLY. IF I ADDRESS
MYSELF PUBLICLY TO YOU, IT IS IN REGARD TO INFINITELY MORE SERIOUS
MATTERS, TO REMIND YOU OF YOUR ENORMOUS RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH YOU MAY
WELL HAVE OVER-LOOKED ON ACCOUNT OF YOUR MODESTY.

TRACY FORD



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frank bright would not STEAL the seat he holds on the housing authority from 
the residents of public housing, which violates federal law, if he cared 
about community control over public housing.
he pushes a program that is anti-community control and pro republican.

joe


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] rain coats
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
>
>FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER
>BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT
>PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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JOE
 IF MARXISM WERE TO TAKE POWER, IT WOULD RESEMBLE MORE CLOSELY A
SELF-LIMITATION OF THE PEOPLES ACTION, PROMPTED BY OPPORTUNISTIC SAVVY.
THE BUILT-TO-LAST WORKER'S STATE SET ITSELF THE IMMEDIATE TASK OF
CHANNELLING AND ABSORBING EVERY ONE OF THE FORCES PRESENTLY AT LIBERTY
WITHIN PROLETARIAT AND PEASANTRY. THE WORKER'S STATE IS THE FULL STOP
CONCLUDING ALL REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESS, THE BEGINNING OF A NEW POLITICAL
ENSLAVEMENT.
TRACY FORD



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bas-

still enchanted with ford's (republican) revolutionary eloquence?


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
> JOE
>  IF MARXISM WERE TO TAKE POWER, IT WOULD RESEMBLE MORE CLOSELY A
> SELF-LIMITATION OF THE PEOPLES ACTION, PROMPTED BY OPPORTUNISTIC 
SAVVY.
> THE BUILT-TO-LAST WORKER'S STATE SET ITSELF THE IMMEDIATE TASK OF
> CHANNELLING AND ABSORBING EVERY ONE OF THE FORCES PRESENTLY AT 
LIBERTY
> WITHIN PROLETARIAT AND PEASANTRY. THE WORKER'S STATE IS THE FULL 
STOP
> CONCLUDING ALL REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESS, THE BEGINNING OF A NEW 
POLITICAL
> ENSLAVEMENT.
> TRACY FORD
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Police shoot bean bags at
                protesters after slain man's
                funeral 

                By LIZ SIDOTI
                The Associated Press
                4/14/01 11:37 PM

                CINCINNATI (AP) -- Hundreds of protesters marched
                through riot-scarred streets Saturday after the 
funeral of a
                black man whose shooting by police touched off a week 
of
                unrest. 

                Four people were injured by crowd-control bean bags 
shot
                by police, but the march was otherwise peaceful. 
Police
                and the FBI were investigating why officers shot at a 
small
                group milling on streets shortly after the funeral 
ended. 

                Hundreds of mourners at New Prospect Baptist Church
                were told the death of 19-year-old Timothy Thomas was 
a
                tragedy that raised awareness of the struggles of 
blacks in
                the city. 

                "All you need to do is hold on. Right now we have the 
world
                looking at Cincinnati," the Rev. Damon Lynch III said. 
"The
                world needs to see first of all that black men know 
how to
                stand up and be counted. Stand up for justice. Stand 
up
                against oppression." 

                Outside, protesters waved signs saying, "It Is Right 
To
                Rebel" and "It's Time To Shoot Back" as hundreds of
                mourners filed past the open silver casket of Thomas, 
the
                fourth black man killed by police since November. 

                Thomas, who was wanted on 14 warrants for
                misdemeanors and traffic violations, was unarmed when 
he
                was shot while running from police. 

                His death led to three days of rioting, and more than 
200
                people have been arrested in looting, arson, 
vandalism, and
                other violence in mostly black sections of the city. 

                A citywide curfew enacted Thursday to stem the 
violence
                has brought more than 350 arrests of violators over 
two
                nights. The dusk-to-dawn curfew was extended to 
Saturday
                night, when 25 people were arrested in the first few 
hours. 

                The crowd of mourners dispersed Saturday before the
                curfew took effect. Marchers sang gospel hymns and
                clapped their hands as they marched past police
                headquarters, which was guarded by officers in riot 
gear.
                The crowd also visited the alley where Thomas was 
shot. 

                Authorities were investigating what prompted officers 
to fire
                the bean bags. A 50-year-old black man, a 34-year-old
                white woman, an 11-year-old black girl and a 
7-year-old
                black girl suffered minor injuries. 

                "They just pulled up and starting shooting at us," 
said
                Christine Jones, 34, of Louisville, Ky., as she sobbed 
in an
                alley. 

                A photographer for The Cincinnati Enquirer said he was
                shoved and kicked and had a camera lense pulled off 
his
                arm as he took pictures of some of the demonstrators. 

                Outside the church about 200 people surrounded an
                African drum band, waved African flags, and held signs
                saying, "It Is Right To Rebel" and "It's Time To Shoot
                Back." 

                Patricia X. Cooley, 40, yelled into a microphone, 
"Racist
                cops you can't hide. We charge you with genocide." 

                Malik Zulu Shabazz, national spokesman for the New
                Black Panther Party, won cheers from those in the 
church
                and others who listened outside to a broadcast as he
                chanted, "black power." 

                "This is not a riot. This is a rebellion," he said. 

                NAACP President Kweisi Mfume told mourners Thomas
                did not die in vain. 

                "Although ordinary in his life, Timothy is 
extraordinary in
                his death because he got us looking at each other and
                talking to each other," he said. 

                Tears flowed from Thomas' relatives, who filled the 
first four
                rows of seats in the church. Mayor Charles Luken spoke
                directly to Thomas' mother, Angela Leisure. 

                "Words cannot express our sorrow. I repeat today my
                apology to you and your family. I ask that today be a
                catalyst for a new Cincinnati," he said. 

                Mourners filed into the church, some wearing suits and
                dresses, others in jeans and jogging suits. Several of
                Thomas' friends wore T-shirts with his photo on the 
front. 

                Young and old kneeled to write messages on four white
                bed sheets at a playground across the street from the
                church. One note said, "Peace begins with Timothy and
                continues with me." 

                "If you knew Timmy and what kind of person he was ... 
this
                should have never happened," said a man who would only
                identify himself as Rich, 27. He said he and Thomas
                regularly played basketball together. 

                "My power forward is gone. I mean, he was my best 
friend.
                He was my heart and soul." 

                The shooting is under investigation by prosecutors and
                federal agencies, and the Justice Department's civil 
rights
                division has sent lawyers to Cincinnati to study the
                practices, procedures and training of the police
                department. 

                Attorney General John Ashcroft, in response to a 
request
                from Mayor Charles Luken, began the inquiry Friday to
                determine if a wider investigation was warranted. 

                The president of the local police union said officers 
would
                accept whatever happens to Stephen Roach, the officer
                who shot Thomas. Roach is on paid administrative 
leave. 

                "From what we've been told, the suspect was not 
armed,"
                Keith Fangman said. "So it's natural that there should 
be
                questions. The community has every right to get 
answers
                to those questions." 

DevCo leaders pursue big dreams 

            Published in the Home News Tribune 4/15/01 

            Second in an occasional series about DevCo

            By SHARON WATERS
            STAFF WRITER

            NEW BRUNSWICK: Get the two leaders of the New Brunswick 
Development Corporation talking about future plans and they
            are soon making a case for New Jersey -- not New York City 
-- to host the 2012 Summer Olympics with New Brunswick serving
            as the Olympic Village.

            Sports stadiums and facilities at Rutgers University and 
the Meadowlands could host events along with the proposed arena in
            Newark and new home for the MetroStars soccer team. 
Equestrian events would be held in Far Hills. Rutgers dorms could 
house
            athletes, and New Brunswick's hotels would accommodate 
spectators. The area's highways and trains would shuttle people
            between all the sites.

            "It would be extraordinary," said DevCo President 
Christopher J. Paladino.

            "Is it a pipe dream? A lot of people have pipe dreams, but 
sometimes they become reality," said DevCo's chairman George R.
            Zoffinger, the same man who co-chaired the 1994 men's 
World Cup games at the Meadowlands and insisted New Jersey, not just
            New York, be listed in the venue name.

            Any New Brunswick role in the 2012 Olympics would rest on 
a New Jersey partnership with New York's bid. Eight cities,
            including New York City, met the Dec. 15, 2000, deadline 
for submitting applications to become the United States candidate city
            to host the 2012 Olympic Games.

            Dreams of Olympic-host glory aside, DevCo's two leaders 
are not short on ideas for developing New Brunswick.

            Leaders of the city's revitalization say DevCo's growing 
momentum and success have led to an expanding role and prominence in
            the city. The nonprofit, created in 1976 to revitalize the 
city's blighted blocks, is now evaluating what it needs to do to move 
itself,
            and the city, to the next level.

            One current DevCo focus is planning an "aggressive attack" 
on the George Street corridor from New Street to Douglass College
            and its contributing neighborhoods, Paladino said. 
Revitalization in that area could not be accomplished without DevCo's 
activities
            in the Cultural Center area of downtown, he said.

            DevCo is overseeing the construction of the 16-story 
Heldrich Plaza at Monument Square and the transformation of the nearby
            Neilson Street parking lots into a $125 million mixed-use 
development. It will take over management of the Cultural Center
            consortium of theaters and City Market, the downtown's 
special-improvement district.

            Paladino noted the city's riverfront area near the old 
police station could be transformed into a venue for outside 
symphonies and
            other cultural events. He acknowledged such a project 
could be an outgrowth of a DevCo and Cultural Center collaboration,
            which could attract funds as both an arts and 
economic-development project.

            The riverfront

            Other possibilities along the Raritan River and Delaware & 
Raritan Canal include moving Rutgers' boathouse farther north and
            improving it, providing the ability to dock boats or 
building a waterfront restaurant.

            Zoffinger and Paladino called the riverfront a tremendous 
resource and noted about 2,000 people will eventually live across from
            it in the New and Neilson streets upscale developments 
called The Highlands and The Metropolitan. Zoffinger wants to find a
            way to further develop New Brunswick's riverfront, saying 
the area could become similar to San Antonio's Riverwalk, a
            tree-lined promenade of restaurants and shops.

            "Think about what it could be. We don't know exactly, but 
we're going to throw out a lot of ideas," he said.

            Anticipating the promise of the waterfront, city officials 
want a pedestrian bridge built over Route 18 from Richmond Street to 
the
            area of the old police station. Mayor James M. Cahill said 
he asked the state Department of Transportation to add the bridge into
            its $75 million plan for the widening of Route 18.

            Paladino's vision has the Richmond Street bridge being 
wide enough for vehicular traffic. The bridge would be inviting, said
            Paladino, who compared his vision of the bridge to an I-95 
overpass linking Penns Landing with the rest of downtown
            Philadelphia.

            The DOT's proposed changes to Route 18 and plans for The 
Highlands and The Metropolitan developments made the city realize
            now was the time to try to add the pedestrian bridge to 
create another access point to the river, Cahill said.

            Revitalizing the George Street corridor from downtown to 
Douglass College was always one of the areas highlighted as an
            opportunity for redevelopment, said one of the city's 
original revitalization leaders, C. Roy Epps, president of the Civic 
League of
            Greater New Brunswick. Plans for the riverfront at the old 
police station also are not new, he said, but noted there may be a
            reason DevCo is speaking about these projects now.

            "It says maybe there's new opportunity and also it's in 
the grand plan to do these things. As opportunities present 
themselves,
            that's when you strike the iron."

            Rutgers as partner

            One emerging opportunity could be a closer relationship 
between DevCo and Rutgers University, a partnership that could be
            essential for linking the downtown to Douglass.

            George Street should be revitalized with neighborhood 
retail, university and institutional growth in the area and a 
significant
            amount of mixed-income housing, Paladino said. He noted 
the importance of students as a market, saying additional services
            students demand could be provided. Certain uses could 
serve dual needs, said Paladino, noting some universities have movie
            theaters double as classroom space.

            The more DevCo can do with Rutgers to focus development in 
New Brunswick's downtown versus Piscataway can help the city
            leverage other projects, said Paladino, noting Rutgers 
could be a "great partner."

            Zoffinger said it was "not controversial but interesting," 
that Rutgers University needs to be a more active partner in the
            revitalization process.

            "We've been disappointed we haven't been able to do more 
together. I've had a lot of discussions with (Rutgers President 
Francis
            L.) Lawrence about that, and I think we'll be doing more," 
Zoffinger said.

            Rutgers Senior Vice President and Treasurer Joanne G. 
Jackson said she was surprised by Zoffinger's statement that the 
university
            needed to be more active. Rutgers is undergoing a 
master-planning process to assess physical-asset resources and needs 
and has
            met with Zoffinger and DevCo officials about the planning, 
she said.

            Rutgers is firmly committed to working not only with the 
city of New Brunswick, but also Piscataway and Highland Park, on
            development issues, she said. Rutgers has partnered with 
Middlesex County, DevCo, New Brunswick and other local
            municipalities and businesses to study a proposal for a 
light-rail or bus line running from Interstate 287 in Piscataway to 
Route 18
            in East Brunswick or South River.

            If talking about the Olympics in New Jersey excites 
Zoffinger, so does discussing revitalization opportunities in Asbury 
Park or
            Camden. But when asked if New Brunswick Development 
Corporation could someday become New Jersey Development
            Corporation, Zoffinger said "No."

            "I don't think we can. Realistically, we've done some 
great things here, and ideas can be transferred elsewhere but when you
            branch out like that, it becomes harder to manage. I think 
one reason we're successful is we're focused," said Zoffinger.

            "We're not egomaniacs thinking we can do this all over the 
world," he said. 

            Sharon Waters: (732) 565-7270. E-mail swaters@...

            from the Home News Tribune 

            Published: April 15, 2001

>From: "David Hungerford" <dbh@...>
>To: "Larry Hamm" <ceettadili@...>
>Subject: Larry on Gormley in Newark
>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:47:25 -0400
>
>Sunday, April 15
>
>Larry Hamm just called. A happy holiday to all.
>
>His computer is down. And out. He asked me to pass this message along.
>
>The Senate Judiciary Committee headed by Sen. Gormley will meet in Newark 
>this Wednesday. Larry calls for everyone who can make it to be in front of 
>Seton Hall Law School in Newark for a comprehensive protest against all the 
>racist abuses of the criminal "justice" system. The hearings in Trenton 
>began at 10 AM so I expect that it will be the same here. The location is 
>One Newark Center, Raymond Blvd. at McCarter Highway.
>
>Come at whatever hour you can- there will be people all day. Bring signs, 
>literature, your issue, your views, whatever you got.
>
>Also let me remind you of the program Tuesday night: Jose Fernando Ramirez, 
>Colombian trade unionist, will speak on the topic "U.S. Intervention in 
>Colombia and the People's Response." POP is a co-sponsor of the event. It 
>will take place on the South Orange campus of Seton Hall in the Graduate 
>Student Lounge of Duffy Hall at 7 PM.
>

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disseminated and discussed.

Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German 
Shepherds?  This is not an esoteric point.  

"I don't ally myself with facts.  SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!"

MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT.  Your responses amount to, "No, you're 
wrong. Fuck you."  This is why I have given up on these useless back-
and-forths.  You have yet to write one argument against what I am 
saying.  Yes, I know you support the black nation.  Yes, I know you 
believe in reparations.  Yes I know you believe in self-
determination.  

Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone?  Who told 
you this stuff anyway?  You got these ideas from somewhere.

Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely weak, 
pre-modern, or out of touch with reality.  Please convince me of your 
view.  I would like to be part of your hip herd, really.  But not 
before I hear a convincing argument.  

Let's start:  Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*?

Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond 
my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to 
label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian.  You have the 
line of Idi Amin.

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
wrote:
> "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
> >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery
> >was abolished".
> 
> "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes
> >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging 
to
> >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> >totalitarianism."  --jim luceno
> 
> keith, care to ally yrself with this?
> call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, 
and all 
> oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.
> 
> 
> "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick my 
ass if I 
> made this argument on the street outside my house"  j-low
> 
>                  ^^^this is a lie.^^^
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
> >
> >Joe --
> >
> >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can
> >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
> >
> >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
> >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because slavery
> >was abolished.
> >
> >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is 
racism
> >and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.  
That's
> >absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.
> >
> >What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw money
> >at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people 
care
> >about is getting cash for slavery?
> >
> >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
> >determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black nation?
> >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
> >connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?  You're
> >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?  What
> >does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
> >
> >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a 
phenomenon
> >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-sidedeness is
> >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation is.
> >
> >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the
> >*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does not 
mean
> >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage.
> >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation emphasizes
> >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of belonging 
to
> >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> >totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, 
you're
> >not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs me 
up.
> >It abandons you.
> >
> >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL
> >conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other list you
> >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
> >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you 
do...
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> 
wrote:
> > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? do 
you
> >think
> > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think 
students of
> > > segregation should be repaid for education?
> > >
> > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you 
can
> >agree
> > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it 
being
> > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the 
arguements
> >that you
> > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
> >underrstand what
> > > you think.
> > >
> > > joe
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> > > >
> > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D 
and
> > > >Repartaions and Jim
> > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was actaully
> >moving
> > > >forward, and
> > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning 
to.
> >For
> > > >insatnce when he
> > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-
modern
> >classes"
> > > >taking
> > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of
> > > >Afro-Americans to the US
> > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in democratic
> >anti-feudal
> > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan is 
an
> > > >ultra-left error and
> > > >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against
> >reparations
> > > >that's why
> > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have 
it. To
> >say that
> > > >Jim's
> > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not call 
him
> >a Klans
> > > >man) is
> > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people rather
> >than
> > > >organize them.
> > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers 
closer
> >togther
> > > >towards
> > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
> >disunity.
> > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say I 
had
> >a line
> > > >analgous to
> > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would 
you
> >expect Jim
> > > >to do
> > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan educate 
him
> >or
> > > >change his mind
> > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of which 
the
> >attack
> > > >on Curtis is
> > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it creates 
an
> >enemy
> > > >where there
> > > >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left 
line
> >and its
> > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat force
> >towards
> > > >uniting
> > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will go a
> >long way in
> > > >  defeating
> > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that 
dominates
> >NJFO and
> > > >the People's
> > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with people
> >like Jim and
> > > >Curtis (to
> > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one will 
be
> >organized
> > > >and we will
> > > >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good
> >vehicle to
> > > >bring
> > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an 
excuse
> >to force
> > > >people to
> > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
> >imperialsim.
> > > >
> > > >cliff smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the 
destruction
> >of
> > > >national
> > > > > "soveriegnty"?
> > > > >
> > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying 
your
> >right to
> > > >it?
> > > > >
> > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood 
only
> > > >economically,
> > > > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > > > >
> > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling 
national
> > > >governments.
> > > > > else why eliminate allende?
> > > > >
> > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
> >oppression of
> > > >Black
> > > > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb 
Blacks/Latinos
> >are not
> > > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > > > >
> > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was diallo
> >obliterated
> > > >for
> > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james byrd 
by
> >poor
> > > >whites?
> > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, 
jobs?
> >the
> > > >vast,
> > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation)
> >south?
> > > > >
> > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from 
Afro-
> >America,
> > > >but
> > > > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its
> >economic,
> > > >political,
> > > > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny
> >goodman to
> > > >jazz,
> > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who 
profit$
> >from
> > > >these
> > > > > Black national markets?  sony?
> > > > >
> > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with
> >dubois "black
> > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to some
> >charles
> > > >mingus.
> > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national 
self-
> > > > > >determination &
> > > > > > > the theft of national resources.  your
> >celebrated "modernism" is
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real value
> >from one
> > > > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of 
national
> > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in 
the
> >U.S. and
> > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book and 
Huey
> > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that if
> >you like,
> > > > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and
> >industrialization has
> > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are 
stealing
> >national
> > > > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.
> >I'll agree
> > > > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a class
> >question,
> > > > > >not a race question.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however
> >democracy
> > > > > >means those
> > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & 
the
> >US urban
> > > > > >centers,
> > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations 
have
> >the
> > > > > >right to
> > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in which
> >they are
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, 
which
> >they
> > > > > >have never
> > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all 
Black
> >peoples
> > > > > >in US.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at the
> >grassroots
> > > > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of
> >*race*?  Why?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that identify
> >themselves
> > > > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your 
brother's
> >word)
> > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom 
want to
> >form
> > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
> >Should they
> > > > > >be allowed to?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local
> >government
> > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what 
have
> >you)
> > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say what
> >you will
> > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least 
they
> > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More than
> >what the
> > > > > >state governments would have done.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working 
class
> >along
> > > > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain people 
are
> >unique
> > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of 
cultural
> > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot
> >understand,
> > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity 
garbage
> >is what
> > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin 
spouts
> >before
> > > > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  
Let's
> >be real.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at sanford 
st
> >& demand
> > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship,
> >which is the
> > > > > >heart of
> > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to 
solve
> > > > > >problems".
> > > > > >
> > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a
> >community
> > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit there.  
Or
> >better
> > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your 
self-
> > > > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an
> >international
> > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all lines.  
Class
> > > > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, 
then
> >we can
> > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we need
> >something
> > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of 
the
> > > > > >proletariat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by
> >fascist
> > > > > >terror. the
> > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-
tilden
> > > > > >scheme.  where
> > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the
> >return of
> > > > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the
> >southern
> > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
> >Reconstruction
> > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S.
> >army, that
> > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
> >determination.
> > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who 
could
> >have
> > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you 
don't
> > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of 
federal
> >force?
> > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it away
> >because it
> > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The line 
is
> >drawn
> > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap the
> >harvest.
> > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  
Progress
> > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part of
> >human-kind
> > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > > > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and real
> >political
> > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You 
forget
> >about
> > > > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history 
class
> >about
> > > > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, because 
the
> >idea
> > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly the
> >idea we
> > > > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > > > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a 
part
> >of
> > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
> >Because you
> > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
> >redevelopment
> > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into 
enclaves
> >in the
> > > > > >suburbs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the power 
of
> >the
> > > > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by
> >balkanizing
> > > > > >the United States?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of nation:
> >common
> > > > > >geographic
> > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put 
forward
> >first by
> > > > > >Joe
> > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think about 
how
> >Joe
> > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination for
> >Lenin, and
> > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of satellites
> >after the
> > > > > >war.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
> >patriarchy!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
> >capital!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
> >Sandford St.
> > > > > >down
> > > > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
> >determination.  I'm
> > > > > > > >not following.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm down
> >with radical
> > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But 
where do
> >you get
> > > > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-determination 
and
> > > > > >reparations
> > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
> ><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic 
democratic
> >rights and
> > > > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white supremacist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's 
Campaign, I
> >am not
> > > > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That 
is, I
> >have not
> > > > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the only
> >arguments I
> > > > > >can
> > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by arguments
> >against it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted on 
a
> >statement
> > > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If the
> >debate came
> > > > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, I
> >cannot
> > > > > >condone
> > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
> >the "black
> > > > > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed 
self-
> > > > > >determination
> > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated 
debate
> >over the
> > > > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's
> >Campaign or
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  Since 
we
> >have
> > > > > >never had
> > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you 
think
> >it
> > > > > >belongs
> > > > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something we 
are
> >against
> > > > > >in
> > > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
> ><can_bush@h...>
> > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the Black
> >Nation!??
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK 
PEOPLE'S
> > > > > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New
> >Brunswick,
> > > > > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
> >VERNIERO'S
> > > > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New 
Brunswick
> >People's
> > > > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick 
residents
> >and
> > > > > >their
> > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents 
from all
> > > > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
> >statement today:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC)
> >warmly
> > > > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the 
New
> >Jersey
> > > > > >State
> > > > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme Court
> >Justice
> > > > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial
> >profiling and
> > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people of
> >color,
> > > > > >commits
> > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by
> >swift and
> > > > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their
> >superiors who
> > > > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be
> >consistent
> > > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the Senate
> >Judiciary
> > > > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
> >satisfaction, that
> > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial 
profiling
> >in the
> > > > > >state
> > > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this
> >hateful
> > > > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign further
> >calls
> > > > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a resolution
> >calling for
> > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the bipartisan
> >group of
> > > > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long 
last,
> >been
> > > > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
> >Committee's
> > > > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is now 
more
> >acute
> > > > > >than
> > > > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, 
and
> >believes
> > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically 
elected
> > > > > >civilian
> > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end to 
the
> >hate
> > > > > >crimes
> > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people of
> >color.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State 
Legislature is
> > > > > >already
> > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all
> >legislators, if
> > > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >   FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa 
Coiley -
> > > > > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >-30-
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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death to the klan!
demand that the targum not use ink for white supremacist propoganda!

joe


>From: jagross66@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Re: meet to protest targum
>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:10:37 -0000
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
>wrote:
> > jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda,
>freely
> > spread  through the student funded newspaper of the state
>university, should
> > be protested out of existence?
>
>Okay:  let's at least establish that there's such a thing as REAL
>white supremacist propaganda, the sort of thing you find being put
>out by "white nationalists".  David Horowitz is not _literally_ a
>neofacist, neonazi, or shrill, overt racist of that sort.
>
>If his positions are _structurally_ racist ... you can make that
>argument, easily.  But that's a different kind of racism.  It's like
>the difference between killing someone and letting them die, to use a
>rough analogy.
>
>I don't know about you, but I'd rather make it possible to
>distinguish between David Horowitz and, say, that Barrett guy or the
>Ku Klux Klan.  There's enough of those people that they deserve their
>own special designation.
>
>And, in any case, if you seek to protest the _publication_ of
>opinions you don't like too forcefully, you'll be working to create a
>climate where nobody can feel safe in voicing opinions that differ
>from the mainstream.  The risk would come to seem to great, for
>progressives and reactionaries alike!  Is that really the sort of
>environment you want?  Since when has censorship even helped the
>Left?  Never.  Whenever the Left wants censorship of something,
>authorities end up using that power _against_ the Left.
>
>Bye,
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>

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"Duhhhhh...  derrr, uhh, I say throw em in the river, boss. Can I do it, can
I do it?  Aww, come on, lemme do it.  I'm loyal, boss.  Derrr."

> death to the klan!
> demand that the targum not use ink for white supremacist propoganda!
>
> joe
>
>

> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> >wrote:
> > > jeremy objects to the proposal that white supremacist propoganda,
> >freely
> > > spread  through the student funded newspaper of the state
> >university, should
> > > be protested out of existence?
> >
> >Okay:  let's at least establish that there's such a thing as REAL
> >white supremacist propaganda, the sort of thing you find being put
> >out by "white nationalists".  David Horowitz is not _literally_ a
> >neofacist, neonazi, or shrill, overt racist of that sort.
> >
> >If his positions are _structurally_ racist ... you can make that
> >argument, easily.  But that's a different kind of racism.  It's like
> >the difference between killing someone and letting them die, to use a
> >rough analogy.
> >
> >I don't know about you, but I'd rather make it possible to
> >distinguish between David Horowitz and, say, that Barrett guy or the
> >Ku Klux Klan.  There's enough of those people that they deserve their
> >own special designation.
> >
> >And, in any case, if you seek to protest the _publication_ of
> >opinions you don't like too forcefully, you'll be working to create a
> >climate where nobody can feel safe in voicing opinions that differ
> >from the mainstream.  The risk would come to seem to great, for
> >progressives and reactionaries alike!  Is that really the sort of
> >environment you want?  Since when has censorship even helped the
> >Left?  Never.  Whenever the Left wants censorship of something,
> >authorities end up using that power _against_ the Left.
> >
> >Bye,
> >
> >Jeremy
> >
> >
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________

JOE,
I BELIEVE AS I ALWAYS HAVE, IN FREEDOM. FREEDOM TAKEN IN THE IN THE
SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY. I REGARD DISCIPLE AS INDISPENSABLE, BUT IT MUST
BE SELF-DISCIPLINE PROMPTED BY A SHARED IDEAL AND A STURDY FEELING OF
COMRADESHIP.
TRACY FORD



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JOE,
KNOWING THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PEOPLE, WE KNOW THAT THE SOLDIER OF THE
REVOLUTION WILL NOT EFFECTIVELY IF HE TURNED INTO SOULLESS AUTOMATON
UNDER THE RIGID DISCIPLINE OF A CODE THAT SPEAKS NOT OF RIGHT OR DUTY
BUT RATHER OF OBEDIENCE AND PUNISHMENT. THE OLD FORMULAS ARE
UNACCEPTABLE HERE, BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT LAID DOWN BY A PEOPLE DEFENDING
ITSELF. THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR THE ENSLAVEMENT OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE
DEFENSE OF EXPLOITER CLASSES USING ARMED FORCE TO PROTECT THEIR
INTERESTS AND THEIR PRIVILEGES.
TRACY FORD



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JOE,
REVOLUTIONARY DISCIPLINE GROWS OUT OF THE BASIS OF CONSCIOUS DUTY AND
NOT OUT OF CONSTRAINT. THE SEVEREST PUNISHMENT THAT A COMRADE REFUSING
TO CARRY OUT HIS TASK IN THE PROLETARIAN REVOLUTIONARY SOCIETY IN
MATTERS MILITARY OR ECONOMIC CAN EARN IS TO FACE SCORN, ISOLATION AND
ULTIMATELY ELIMINATION FROM A SOCIETY WHERE PARASITES HAVE NO PLACE.
TRACY FORD



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IF FRANK BRIGHT STEP DOWN THEN HOUSES, NOT BEING MAINTAINED, ARE GOING
TO WRECK AND RUIN. THE HEATING IS OUT OF ORDER. BROKEN WINDOWS ARE NOT
REPLACED. THE ROOF IS FALLING APART AND WATER IS STARTING TO SEEP
THROUGH. FENCES COLLAPSE. PIPES ARE HALF WRECKED. TOILETS ARE OUT OF
ORDER AND THEIR CONTENTS INVADE THE APARTMENTS, FORCING CITIZENS TO
ANSWER THEIR NEEDS IN THE YARD OR IN A NEIGHBOR'S PLACE. STAIRCASE ARE
STILL UNLIGHTED AND COVERED IN FILTH. THE YARD ARE FULL OF EXCREMENT, ON
ACCOUNT OF THE LATRINES, RUBBISH BINS, SEWAGE OUTLETS AND SPOUTING BEING
NEITHER REPAIRED OR EMPTIED. THE STREET ARE FILTHY. THE PAVEMENTS, WHICH
ARE NEVER REPAIRED ARE GRIMY AND SLICK. WALKING THE STREETS ARE
DANGEROUS.

THIS THE CITY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN. IT IS NOT ME. FRANK BRIGHT STAY WHERE
HE AT AND MOST USEFUL TO THE PEOPLE
TRACY FORD



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COMRADES! JOE & CO. ARE GOING TO BUILD US A SPLENDID LIFE.
JOE & CO. ARE GONG TO DESTROY THE WORLD OF VIOLENCE  AND JOE & CO. WILL
BUILD US A NEW, SOCIALIST, QUITE BEAUTIFUL WORLD.
TRACY FORD



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jagross66@... thought you would be interested in this article at
Salon.com http://www.salon.com
jagross66@... came from IP: 128.6.175.83

Your friend's message:

In case anyone wants a sense of _why_ David Horowitz began his ad campaign.  Note especially the last paragraph.  

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Why I won't pay the Daily Princetonian
By David Horowitz

http://www.salon.com/news/col/horo/2001/04/16/princetonian/index.html

Yes, the paper ran my anti-reparations ad, but the editorial printed alongside it was pure slander.

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Mon Apr 16 02:44:17 2001

Friends:

Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against the 
basic spirit of unity in the Campaign.  In that vein, I am entirely 
outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have 
chosen to express bigoted views on this board.  Specifically,

Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak, 
pre-modern, or out of touch with reality."  (message 1454) 

Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka):  "We want poems 
like fists beating niggers out of Jocks 
or dagger poems in the slimy bellies 
of the owner-jews.  ....  Another bad poem cracking 
steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth."  (message 1381).


Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about.  Gentlemen, 
please explain yourselves!!






--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote:
> Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German 
> Shepherds?  This is not an esoteric point.  
> 
> "I don't ally myself with facts.  SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!"
> 
> MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT.  Your responses amount to, "No, you're 
> wrong. Fuck you."  This is why I have given up on these useless 
back-
> and-forths.  You have yet to write one argument against what I am 
> saying.  Yes, I know you support the black nation.  Yes, I know you 
> believe in reparations.  Yes I know you believe in self-
> determination.  
> 
> Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone?  Who 
told 
> you this stuff anyway?  You got these ideas from somewhere.
> 
> Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely 
weak, 
> pre-modern, or out of touch with reality.  Please convince me of 
your 
> view.  I would like to be part of your hip herd, really.  But not 
> before I hear a convincing argument.  
> 
> Let's start:  Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*?
> 
> Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond 
> my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to 
> label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian.  You have the 
> line of Idi Amin.
> 
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
> wrote:
> > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
> > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because 
slavery
> > >was abolished".
> > 
> > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation 
emphasizes
> > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of 
belonging 
> to
> > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> > >totalitarianism."  --jim luceno
> > 
> > keith, care to ally yrself with this?
> > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation, 
> and all 
> > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.
> > 
> > 
> > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick 
my 
> ass if I 
> > made this argument on the street outside my house"  j-low
> > 
> >                  ^^^this is a lie.^^^
> > 
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
> > >
> > >Joe --
> > >
> > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can
> > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
> > >
> > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
> > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because 
slavery
> > >was abolished.
> > >
> > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is 
> racism
> > >and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.  
> That's
> > >absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.
> > >
> > >What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw 
money
> > >at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people 
> care
> > >about is getting cash for slavery?
> > >
> > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
> > >determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black 
nation?
> > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
> > >connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?  You're
> > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?  
What
> > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
> > >
> > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a 
> phenomenon
> > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-sidedeness 
is
> > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation 
is.
> > >
> > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the
> > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does not 
> mean
> > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage.
> > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation 
emphasizes
> > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of 
belonging 
> to
> > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> > >totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, 
> you're
> > >not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs me 
> up.
> > >It abandons you.
> > >
> > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL
> > >conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other list 
you
> > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
> > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you 
> do...
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >
> > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> 
> wrote:
> > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? 
do 
> you
> > >think
> > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think 
> students of
> > > > segregation should be repaid for education?
> > > >
> > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you 
> can
> > >agree
> > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it 
> being
> > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the 
> arguements
> > >that you
> > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
> > >underrstand what
> > > > you think.
> > > >
> > > > joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D 
> and
> > > > >Repartaions and Jim
> > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was 
actaully
> > >moving
> > > > >forward, and
> > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning 
> to.
> > >For
> > > > >insatnce when he
> > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-
> modern
> > >classes"
> > > > >taking
> > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of
> > > > >Afro-Americans to the US
> > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in 
democratic
> > >anti-feudal
> > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan 
is 
> an
> > > > >ultra-left error and
> > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against
> > >reparations
> > > > >that's why
> > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have 
> it. To
> > >say that
> > > > >Jim's
> > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not 
call 
> him
> > >a Klans
> > > > >man) is
> > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people 
rather
> > >than
> > > > >organize them.
> > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers 
> closer
> > >togther
> > > > >towards
> > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
> > >disunity.
> > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say 
I 
> had
> > >a line
> > > > >analgous to
> > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would 
> you
> > >expect Jim
> > > > >to do
> > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan 
educate 
> him
> > >or
> > > > >change his mind
> > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of 
which 
> the
> > >attack
> > > > >on Curtis is
> > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it 
creates 
> an
> > >enemy
> > > > >where there
> > > > >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left 
> line
> > >and its
> > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat 
force
> > >towards
> > > > >uniting
> > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will 
go a
> > >long way in
> > > > >  defeating
> > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that 
> dominates
> > >NJFO and
> > > > >the People's
> > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with 
people
> > >like Jim and
> > > > >Curtis (to
> > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one 
will 
> be
> > >organized
> > > > >and we will
> > > > >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good
> > >vehicle to
> > > > >bring
> > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an 
> excuse
> > >to force
> > > > >people to
> > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
> > >imperialsim.
> > > > >
> > > > >cliff smith wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the 
> destruction
> > >of
> > > > >national
> > > > > > "soveriegnty"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying 
> your
> > >right to
> > > > >it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood 
> only
> > > > >economically,
> > > > > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling 
> national
> > > > >governments.
> > > > > > else why eliminate allende?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
> > >oppression of
> > > > >Black
> > > > > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb 
> Blacks/Latinos
> > >are not
> > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was 
diallo
> > >obliterated
> > > > >for
> > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james 
byrd 
> by
> > >poor
> > > > >whites?
> > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education, 
> jobs?
> > >the
> > > > >vast,
> > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation)
> > >south?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from 
> Afro-
> > >America,
> > > > >but
> > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its
> > >economic,
> > > > >political,
> > > > > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny
> > >goodman to
> > > > >jazz,
> > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who 
> profit$
> > >from
> > > > >these
> > > > > > Black national markets?  sony?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with
> > >dubois "black
> > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to 
some
> > >charles
> > > > >mingus.
> > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national 
> self-
> > > > > > >determination &
> > > > > > > > the theft of national resources.  your
> > >celebrated "modernism" is
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real 
value
> > >from one
> > > > > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of 
> national
> > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in 
> the
> > >U.S. and
> > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book 
and 
> Huey
> > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that 
if
> > >you like,
> > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and
> > >industrialization has
> > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are 
> stealing
> > >national
> > > > > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.
> > >I'll agree
> > > > > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a 
class
> > >question,
> > > > > > >not a race question.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however
> > >democracy
> > > > > > >means those
> > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st & 
> the
> > >US urban
> > > > > > >centers,
> > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations 
> have
> > >the
> > > > > > >right to
> > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in 
which
> > >they are
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US, 
> which
> > >they
> > > > > > >have never
> > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all 
> Black
> > >peoples
> > > > > > >in US.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at 
the
> > >grassroots
> > > > > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of
> > >*race*?  Why?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that 
identify
> > >themselves
> > > > > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your 
> brother's
> > >word)
> > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom 
> want to
> > >form
> > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
> > >Should they
> > > > > > >be allowed to?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local
> > >government
> > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what 
> have
> > >you)
> > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say 
what
> > >you will
> > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least 
> they
> > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More 
than
> > >what the
> > > > > > >state governments would have done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working 
> class
> > >along
> > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain 
people 
> are
> > >unique
> > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of 
> cultural
> > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot
> > >understand,
> > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity 
> garbage
> > >is what
> > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin 
> spouts
> > >before
> > > > > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  
> Let's
> > >be real.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at 
sanford 
> st
> > >& demand
> > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship,
> > >which is the
> > > > > > >heart of
> > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to 
> solve
> > > > > > >problems".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a
> > >community
> > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit 
there.  
> Or
> > >better
> > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your 
> self-
> > > > > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an
> > >international
> > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all 
lines.  
> Class
> > > > > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism, 
> then
> > >we can
> > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we 
need
> > >something
> > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of 
> the
> > > > > > >proletariat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by
> > >fascist
> > > > > > >terror. the
> > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-
> tilden
> > > > > > >scheme.  where
> > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the
> > >return of
> > > > > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the
> > >southern
> > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
> > >Reconstruction
> > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S.
> > >army, that
> > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
> > >determination.
> > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who 
> could
> > >have
> > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you 
> don't
> > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of 
> federal
> > >force?
> > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it 
away
> > >because it
> > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The 
line 
> is
> > >drawn
> > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap 
the
> > >harvest.
> > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  
> Progress
> > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part 
of
> > >human-kind
> > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
> > > > > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and 
real
> > >political
> > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You 
> forget
> > >about
> > > > > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history 
> class
> > >about
> > > > > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, 
because 
> the
> > >idea
> > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly 
the
> > >idea we
> > > > > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
> > > > > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a 
> part
> > >of
> > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
> > >Because you
> > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
> > >redevelopment
> > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into 
> enclaves
> > >in the
> > > > > > >suburbs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the 
power 
> of
> > >the
> > > > > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by
> > >balkanizing
> > > > > > >the United States?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of 
nation:
> > >common
> > > > > > >geographic
> > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put 
> forward
> > >first by
> > > > > > >Joe
> > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think 
about 
> how
> > >Joe
> > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination 
for
> > >Lenin, and
> > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of 
satellites
> > >after the
> > > > > > >war.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
> > >patriarchy!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
> > >capital!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
> > >Sandford St.
> > > > > > >down
> > > > > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
> > >determination.  I'm
> > > > > > > > >not following.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm 
down
> > >with radical
> > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But 
> where do
> > >you get
> > > > > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-
determination 
> and
> > > > > > >reparations
> > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
> > ><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic 
> democratic
> > >rights and
> > > > > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white 
supremacist.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> > >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's 
> Campaign, I
> > >am not
> > > > > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That 
> is, I
> > >have not
> > > > > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the 
only
> > >arguments I
> > > > > > >can
> > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by 
arguments
> > >against it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted 
on 
> a
> > >statement
> > > > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If 
the
> > >debate came
> > > > > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism, 
I
> > >cannot
> > > > > > >condone
> > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
> > >the "black
> > > > > > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed 
> self-
> > > > > > >determination
> > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated 
> debate
> > >over the
> > > > > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's
> > >Campaign or
> > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  
Since 
> we
> > >have
> > > > > > >never had
> > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you 
> think
> > >it
> > > > > > >belongs
> > > > > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something 
we 
> are
> > >against
> > > > > > >in
> > > > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
> > ><can_bush@h...>
> > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the 
Black
> > >Nation!??
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> > >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK 
> PEOPLE'S
> > > > > > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New
> > >Brunswick,
> > > > > > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
> > >VERNIERO'S
> > > > > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New 
> Brunswick
> > >People's
> > > > > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick 
> residents
> > >and
> > > > > > >their
> > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents 
> from all
> > > > > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
> > >statement today:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC)
> > >warmly
> > > > > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the 
> New
> > >Jersey
> > > > > > >State
> > > > > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme 
Court
> > >Justice
> > > > > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial
> > >profiling and
> > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people 
of
> > >color,
> > > > > > >commits
> > > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by
> > >swift and
> > > > > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their
> > >superiors who
> > > > > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be
> > >consistent
> > > > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the 
Senate
> > >Judiciary
> > > > > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
> > >satisfaction, that
> > > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial 
> profiling
> > >in the
> > > > > > >state
> > > > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this
> > >hateful
> > > > > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign 
further
> > >calls
> > > > > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a 
resolution
> > >calling for
> > > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the 
bipartisan
> > >group of
> > > > > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long 
> last,
> > >been
> > > > > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
> > >Committee's
> > > > > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is 
now 
> more
> > >acute
> > > > > > >than
> > > > > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police, 
> and
> > >believes
> > > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically 
> elected
> > > > > > >civilian
> > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end 
to 
> the
> > >hate
> > > > > > >crimes
> > > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people 
of
> > >color.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State 
> Legislature is
> > > > > > >already
> > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all
> > >legislators, if
> > > > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Alyssa 
> Coiley -
> > > > > > >732/514-0610
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >-30-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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bright is a theif! community control over housing!

joe


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] rain coats
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
>
>IF FRANK BRIGHT STEP DOWN THEN HOUSES, NOT BEING MAINTAINED, ARE GOING
>TO WRECK AND RUIN. THE HEATING IS OUT OF ORDER. BROKEN WINDOWS ARE NOT
>REPLACED. THE ROOF IS FALLING APART AND WATER IS STARTING TO SEEP
>THROUGH. FENCES COLLAPSE. PIPES ARE HALF WRECKED. TOILETS ARE OUT OF
>ORDER AND THEIR CONTENTS INVADE THE APARTMENTS, FORCING CITIZENS TO
>ANSWER THEIR NEEDS IN THE YARD OR IN A NEIGHBOR'S PLACE. STAIRCASE ARE
>STILL UNLIGHTED AND COVERED IN FILTH. THE YARD ARE FULL OF EXCREMENT, ON
>ACCOUNT OF THE LATRINES, RUBBISH BINS, SEWAGE OUTLETS AND SPOUTING BEING
>NEITHER REPAIRED OR EMPTIED. THE STREET ARE FILTHY. THE PAVEMENTS, WHICH
>ARE NEVER REPAIRED ARE GRIMY AND SLICK. WALKING THE STREETS ARE
>DANGEROUS.
>
>THIS THE CITY YOU WANT TO LIVE IN. IT IS NOT ME. FRANK BRIGHT STAY WHERE
>HE AT AND MOST USEFUL TO THE PEOPLE
>TRACY FORD
>
>
>
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i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of 
the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely 
outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of 
public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather 
than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who  are our 
enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public 
housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the 
democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine.

i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less 
about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic 
community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the 
elected school board campaign april 28.

joe

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I agree, like Malcolm said (to paraphrase)- leave your religious beliefs at 
home...when we come together, let it be to find political unity.  The thing 
that is most unhelpful here is that Joe posted a poem of Amiri's from the 
60's writen during his 'nationalist' days without bothering to put it in the 
context of the ensuing 25 years of development...in short, these are 
positions that he has repeatedly criticized himself (See the Autobiography 
of LeRoi Jones, A.B.) -Matt


----Original Message Follows----
From: Groovemeister007@...
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:32:58 -0000

Friends:

Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against the
basic spirit of unity in the Campaign.  In that vein, I am entirely
outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have
chosen to express bigoted views on this board.  Specifically,

Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak,
pre-modern, or out of touch with reality."  (message 1454)

Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka):  "We want poems
like fists beating niggers out of Jocks
or dagger poems in the slimy bellies
of the owner-jews.  ....  Another bad poem cracking
steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth."  (message 1381).


Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about.  Gentlemen,
please explain yourselves!!






--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote:
 > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German
 > Shepherds?  This is not an esoteric point.
 >
 > "I don't ally myself with facts.  SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!"
 >
 > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT.  Your responses amount to, "No, you're
 > wrong. Fuck you."  This is why I have given up on these useless
back-
 > and-forths.  You have yet to write one argument against what I am
 > saying.  Yes, I know you support the black nation.  Yes, I know you
 > believe in reparations.  Yes I know you believe in self-
 > determination.
 >
 > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone?  Who
told
 > you this stuff anyway?  You got these ideas from somewhere.
 >
 > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely
weak,
 > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality.  Please convince me of
your
 > view.  I would like to be part of your hip herd, really.  But not
 > before I hear a convincing argument.
 >
 > Let's start:  Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*?
 >
 > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you respond
 > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to
 > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian.  You have the
 > line of Idi Amin.
 >
 > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
 > wrote:
 > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
 > > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because
slavery
 > > >was abolished".
 > >
 > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation
emphasizes
 > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of
belonging
 > to
 > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
 > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
 > > >totalitarianism."  --jim luceno
 > >
 > > keith, care to ally yrself with this?
 > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black nation,
 > and all
 > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.
 > >
 > >
 > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help kick
my
 > ass if I
 > > made this argument on the street outside my house"  j-low
 > >
 > >                  ^^^this is a lie.^^^
 > >
 > > >From: jmluceno@e...
 > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
 > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
 > > >
 > > >Joe --
 > > >
 > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I can
 > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
 > > >
 > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have to
 > > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because
slavery
 > > >was abolished.
 > > >
 > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is
 > racism
 > > >and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.
 > That's
 > > >absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.
 > > >
 > > >What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw
money
 > > >at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black people
 > care
 > > >about is getting cash for slavery?
 > > >
 > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
 > > >determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black
nation?
 > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
 > > >connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?  You're
 > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?
What
 > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
 > > >
 > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a
 > phenomenon
 > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-sidedeness
is
 > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation
is.
 > > >
 > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of the
 > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does not
 > mean
 > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral heritage.
 > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation
emphasizes
 > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of
belonging
 > to
 > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
 > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
 > > >totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise,
 > you're
 > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs me
 > up.
 > > >It abandons you.
 > > >
 > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a UNIVERSAL
 > > >conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other list
you
 > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
 > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt you
 > do...
 > > >
 > > >Jim
 > > >
 > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
 > wrote:
 > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery?
do
 > you
 > > >think
 > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think
 > students of
 > > > > segregation should be repaid for education?
 > > > >
 > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that you
 > can
 > > >agree
 > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it
 > being
 > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the
 > arguements
 > > >that you
 > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
 > > >underrstand what
 > > > > you think.
 > > > >
 > > > > joe
 > > > >
 > > > >
 > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
 > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
 > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
 > > > > >
 > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self D
 > and
 > > > > >Repartaions and Jim
 > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was
actaully
 > > >moving
 > > > > >forward, and
 > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even meaning
 > to.
 > > >For
 > > > > >insatnce when he
 > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-
 > modern
 > > >classes"
 > > > > >taking
 > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship of
 > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US
 > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in
democratic
 > > >anti-feudal
 > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
 > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the Klan
is
 > an
 > > > > >ultra-left error and
 > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are against
 > > >reparations
 > > > > >that's why
 > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already have
 > it. To
 > > >say that
 > > > > >Jim's
 > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not
call
 > him
 > > >a Klans
 > > > > >man) is
 > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people
rather
 > > >than
 > > > > >organize them.
 > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers
 > closer
 > > >togther
 > > > > >towards
 > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
 > > >disunity.
 > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to say
I
 > had
 > > >a line
 > > > > >analgous to
 > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why would
 > you
 > > >expect Jim
 > > > > >to do
 > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan
educate
 > him
 > > >or
 > > > > >change his mind
 > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
 > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of
which
 > the
 > > >attack
 > > > > >on Curtis is
 > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it
creates
 > an
 > > >enemy
 > > > > >where there
 > > > > >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-left
 > line
 > > >and its
 > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat
force
 > > >towards
 > > > > >uniting
 > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will
go a
 > > >long way in
 > > > > >  defeating
 > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that
 > dominates
 > > >NJFO and
 > > > > >the People's
 > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with
people
 > > >like Jim and
 > > > > >Curtis (to
 > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one
will
 > be
 > > >organized
 > > > > >and we will
 > > > > >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a good
 > > >vehicle to
 > > > > >bring
 > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an
 > excuse
 > > >to force
 > > > > >people to
 > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
 > > >imperialsim.
 > > > > >
 > > > > >cliff smith wrote:
 > > > > >
 > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the
 > destruction
 > > >of
 > > > > >national
 > > > > > > "soveriegnty"?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from denying
 > your
 > > >right to
 > > > > >it?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be understood
 > only
 > > > > >economically,
 > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling
 > national
 > > > > >governments.
 > > > > > > else why eliminate allende?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
 > > >oppression of
 > > > > >Black
 > > > > > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb
 > Blacks/Latinos
 > > >are not
 > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was
diallo
 > > >obliterated
 > > > > >for
 > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james
byrd
 > by
 > > >poor
 > > > > >whites?
 > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, education,
 > jobs?
 > > >the
 > > > > >vast,
 > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic Nation)
 > > >south?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from
 > Afro-
 > > >America,
 > > > > >but
 > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its
 > > >economic,
 > > > > >political,
 > > > > > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of benny
 > > >goodman to
 > > > > >jazz,
 > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who
 > profit$
 > > >from
 > > > > >these
 > > > > > > Black national markets?  sony?
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start with
 > > >dubois "black
 > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to
some
 > > >charles
 > > > > >mingus.
 > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
 > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
 > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
 > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of national
 > self-
 > > > > > > >determination &
 > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources.  your
 > > >celebrated "modernism" is
 > > > > > > >the
 > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real
value
 > > >from one
 > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of
 > national
 > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations in
 > the
 > > >U.S. and
 > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book
and
 > Huey
 > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say that
if
 > > >you like,
 > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and
 > > >industrialization has
 > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are
 > stealing
 > > >national
 > > > > > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor power.
 > > >I'll agree
 > > > > > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a
class
 > > >question,
 > > > > > > >not a race question.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  however
 > > >democracy
 > > > > > > >means those
 > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st &
 > the
 > > >US urban
 > > > > > > >centers,
 > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne Nations
 > have
 > > >the
 > > > > > > >right to
 > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in
which
 > > >they are
 > > > > > > >the
 > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the US,
 > which
 > > >they
 > > > > > > >have never
 > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of all
 > Black
 > > >peoples
 > > > > > > >in US.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at
the
 > > >grassroots
 > > > > > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of
 > > >*race*?  Why?
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that
identify
 > > >themselves
 > > > > > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your
 > brother's
 > > >word)
 > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom
 > want to
 > > >form
 > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
 > > >Should they
 > > > > > > >be allowed to?
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of local
 > > >government
 > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, what
 > have
 > > >you)
 > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say
what
 > > >you will
 > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at least
 > they
 > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More
than
 > > >what the
 > > > > > > >state governments would have done.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working
 > class
 > > >along
 > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain
people
 > are
 > > >unique
 > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of
 > cultural
 > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* cannot
 > > >understand,
 > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity
 > garbage
 > > >is what
 > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi Amin
 > spouts
 > > >before
 > > > > > > >sending people to the camps.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?
 > Let's
 > > >be real.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at
sanford
 > st
 > > >& demand
 > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j dictatorship,
 > > >which is the
 > > > > > > >heart of
 > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j to
 > solve
 > > > > > > >problems".
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a
 > > >community
 > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit
there.
 > Or
 > > >better
 > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is your
 > self-
 > > > > > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an
 > > >international
 > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all
lines.
 > Class
 > > > > > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat imperialism,
 > then
 > > >we can
 > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we
need
 > > >something
 > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest of
 > the
 > > > > > > >proletariat.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction by
 > > >fascist
 > > > > > > >terror. the
 > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 hayes-
 > tilden
 > > > > > > >scheme.  where
 > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than the
 > > >return of
 > > > > > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the
 > > >southern
 > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
 > > >Reconstruction
 > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the U.S.
 > > >army, that
 > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
 > > >determination.
 > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide who
 > could
 > > >have
 > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you
 > don't
 > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of
 > federal
 > > >force?
 > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it
away
 > > >because it
 > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The
line
 > is
 > > >drawn
 > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to reap
the
 > > >harvest.
 > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.
 > Progress
 > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the part
of
 > > >human-kind
 > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is the
 > > > > > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and
real
 > > >political
 > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You
 > forget
 > > >about
 > > > > > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for history
 > class
 > > >about
 > > > > > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences,
because
 > the
 > > >idea
 > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly
the
 > > >idea we
 > > > > > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of the
 > > > > > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being a
 > part
 > > >of
 > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
 > > >Because you
 > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
 > > >redevelopment
 > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into
 > enclaves
 > > >in the
 > > > > > > >suburbs.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the
power
 > of
 > > >the
 > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by
 > > >balkanizing
 > > > > > > >the United States?
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of
nation:
 > > >common
 > > > > > > >geographic
 > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put
 > forward
 > > >first by
 > > > > > > >Joe
 > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think
about
 > how
 > > >Joe
 > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination
for
 > > >Lenin, and
 > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of
satellites
 > > >after the
 > > > > > > >war.
 > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
 > > >patriarchy!
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
 > > >capital!
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
 > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
 > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
 > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
 > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
 > > >Sandford St.
 > > > > > > >down
 > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok?
 > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
 > > >determination.  I'm
 > > > > > > > > >not following.
 > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm
down
 > > >with radical
 > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But
 > where do
 > > >you get
 > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this?
 > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-
determination
 > and
 > > > > > > >reparations
 > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
 > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
 > > ><cliffsmith69@h...>
 > > > > > > > > >wrote:
 > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic
 > democratic
 > > >rights and
 > > > > > > > > >the only
 > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national equality.
 > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
 > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white
supremacist.
 > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
 > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
 > > >VERNIERO
 > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >Joe,
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's
 > Campaign, I
 > > >am not
 > > > > > > > > >convinced
 > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  That
 > is, I
 > > >have not
 > > > > > > > > >heard
 > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the
only
 > > >arguments I
 > > > > > > >can
 > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by
arguments
 > > >against it.
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never voted
on
 > a
 > > >statement
 > > > > > > > > >about
 > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  If
the
 > > >debate came
 > > > > > > > > >up, I
 > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political radicalism,
I
 > > >cannot
 > > > > > > >condone
 > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
 > > >the "black
 > > > > > > > > >nation."  I
 > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign endorsed
 > self-
 > > > > > > >determination
 > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated
 > debate
 > > >over the
 > > > > > > > > >issue.
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick People's
 > > >Campaign or
 > > > > > > >the
 > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.
Since
 > we
 > > >have
 > > > > > > >never had
 > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do you
 > think
 > > >it
 > > > > > > >belongs
 > > > > > > > > >in a
 > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something
we
 > are
 > > >against
 > > > > > > >in
 > > > > > > > > >both
 > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >Jim
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
 > > ><can_bush@h...>
 > > > > > > > > >wrote:
 > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the
Black
 > > >Nation!??
 > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
 > > >VERNIERO
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK
 > PEOPLE'S
 > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131? New
 > > >Brunswick,
 > > > > > > >NJ 08903
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
 > > >VERNIERO'S
 > > > > > > >OUSTER
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New
 > Brunswick
 > > >People's
 > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign,
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick
 > residents
 > > >and
 > > > > > > >their
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents
 > from all
 > > > > > > > > >nationalities
 > > > > > > > > > > >and
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
 > > >statement today:
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign (NBPC)
 > > >warmly
 > > > > > > >welcomes
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of the
 > New
 > > >Jersey
 > > > > > > >State
 > > > > > > > > > > >Senate
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme
Court
 > > >Justice
 > > > > > > >Peter
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial
 > > >profiling and
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of people
of
 > > >color,
 > > > > > > >commits
 > > > > > > > > >a
 > > > > > > > > > > >hate
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed by
 > > >swift and
 > > > > > > >severe
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and their
 > > >superiors who
 > > > > > > > > >turn a
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be
 > > >consistent
 > > > > > > >with
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the
Senate
 > > >Judiciary
 > > > > > > > > >Committee
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
 > > >satisfaction, that
 > > > > > > > > >Justice
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial
 > profiling
 > > >in the
 > > > > > > >state
 > > > > > > > > > > >police
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop this
 > > >hateful
 > > > > > > >practice.
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign
further
 > > >calls
 > > > > > > >upon the
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a
resolution
 > > >calling for
 > > > > > > > > >Justice
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the
bipartisan
 > > >group of
 > > > > > > > > >senators
 > > > > > > > > > > >from
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at long
 > last,
 > > >been
 > > > > > > >revealed
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
 > > >Committee's
 > > > > > > > > >hearings,
 > > > > > > > > > > >the
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is
now
 > more
 > > >acute
 > > > > > > >than
 > > > > > > > > >ever.
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over police,
 > and
 > > >believes
 > > > > > > >that
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including democratically
 > elected
 > > > > > > >civilian
 > > > > > > > > >police
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end
to
 > the
 > > >hate
 > > > > > > >crimes
 > > > > > > > > >of
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of people
of
 > > >color.
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State
 > Legislature is
 > > > > > > >already
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all
 > > >legislators, if
 > > > > > > >they are
 > > > > > > > > > > >good
 > > > > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
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 > Coiley -
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(An Open Letter of Resignation to NJFO)

This action is an abomination of the principles of openness and democracy 
that the Peoples Campaign was founded on.  It is an obvious and transparent 
manuever to EXPEL unwanted people and points of view--some of which I 
disagree with, and some of which I agree with, but all of which have the 
right to be heard in a "united front" formation.  I find it regretable that 
the the NBPC has gone down this road, as it does not set forth a model to 
resolve the ongoing disputes in NB's progressive and revolutionary circles; 
nor does it do anything to move closer to the "LEFT BLOC" that has been 
called for by Amiri Baraka and  "Unity & Struggle"--an effort, an idea, an 
ideology, a line that NJFO used to support, but whose "majority faction" has 
since abandoned in words and in deeds.

I find it all the more regretable, and even painful, that these actions were 
advanced by "majority faction" members of NJFO (what was for a minute 
following the decline of CU's secretive manipulations, a Revolutionary 
Democratic organization united "FOR SOCIALISM & DEMOCRACY" willing to 
struggle together over ideological differences; but has since taken to 
seperate meetings to avoid that struggle.  The irony is that there was and 
is so little clarity over the nature of the disagreements that at times it 
appeared that leadership was less a question of ideology and more a 
popularity contest.

I have said it before and I will repeat it now: While I supported the
expulsion of BOL from the People's Campaign following their dogmatic, public 
attack against Curtis Warren, I have come to see that the expulsion has 
sharpened the antagonisms, and merely repeats the same mistake that BOL made 
in isolating Curtis, a proven working class leader.  With the threat of the 
email group list expulsions, the error in continuing the historic trend of 
expulsions to take the place of clear, scientific, ideological and practical 
struggle among all forces opposed to fascism, and particulary among those 
opposed to imperialism, has become infinitely evident.

The NB Peoples Campaign was intended to be such a formation--a broad united 
front rooted in the working class, but inclusive of all democratic classes. 
With these actions, it has taken a giant leap away from that purpose.  That 
the members of NJFO's "majority faction" have helped lead the "mass 
organization" in this direction is an abandonment of the very principles 
that we in NJFO once stood for.  When this "majority faction" began meeting 
seperately, essentially splitting the organization, I predicted that the 
'whole' could not survive under such conditions.  We agreed, however, that 
the "correctness" of our ideological disagreements (to the extent that 
members were/are clear on those differences) would be determined in time, 
and in practice.  I believe that this is true; however, and regretably, I 
also believe that NJFO has played out its historic role, and cannot be 
revived.  I don't believe that this is "splitting" or separtating on my 
part--as all things must end in order to bring new life and new vitality, I
am ready to give up the shell that NJFO has become in order to grow and find 
a new form.  I will continue the important work of rebuilding the newspaper 
Unity & Struggle, and will seek to find unity with all opposed to 
imperialism in advancing this project--including remaining members of NJFO, 
&/or members of BOL/SWORD.  And I will continue to support the NB Peoples 
Campaign and fight for an open and democratic framework reflective of it's 
still unrealized historic role: a mechanism to bring about a broad LEFT 
BLOC/United Front.

With respect to the good intentions of our progressive friends:

***************Fuck Intellectual Property Rights!!******************

In the Struggle for Unity,

Matthew Smith

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list of new brunswick activities follow: 

1. press conferenc with all participating organizations/community 
members/students. wednesday april18 @3:00pm press is being called to 
feaster park steps which run along throop ave. all persons/
organizations are encouraged to draft up press statements with 
organization position and contact info. conference is to announce new 
brunswick activities and overall raise the atention to march on trenton 
may16 

2. public housing march to defeat racist profiling. sunday april29 
@2:00pm march will gather in parking lot of robeson village and travel 
through the vill and along wright place. march is to promote the 
activists understanding that public housing tenants are constantly 
under the GUN because of the national and economical position, and 
raise the consiousness of public housing tenants to the broader 
democratic rights struggle, as well as promote march on trenton may16 

3. speak out to defeat racist profiling/police brutality. 
tuesday may1 11:00am-1:00pm. 

speak out speakers currently include: 
larry hamm - people's organization for progress 
joseph mosley - vice-chair New Jersey Green Party 
joe smith - committee to defeat racist profiling 
jerusalam - immortal divine family 

speak out location is brower commons, speak out is to raise funds, as 
well as campus consciousness, to support march on trenton may16 

4. all new brunswick march to defeat racist profiling/police brutality. 
saturday may 12 @2:00pm. 

march will gather at the fountain (livingston & george) and will 
combat racist profiling/police brutality that targets all new 
brunswick residents. this all new brunswick march will provide a 
community demand to defeat racist profiling and will raise the 
consiousness of new brunswick peoples' as well as promote march on 
trenton may16 

to promote these activities people are needed. tasks involve fliering 
around areas of activities, getting to press conference, promoting 
activities within personal circles, tabling areas of activities which 
includes signing people up and distributing literature, get involved 
with any other local activities and announce these activities that 
will work to raise the community/campus consciousness and march on 
trenton may16. 

for literature, rides, and additional info either reply to 
coalitionforjustice@egroups.com or contact myself through 
can_bush@... 

joe 

I encourage folks to check out the progress of Noe Hernandez- a brilliant 
and rapidly developing Mexican/American artist & personal friend...& look in 
the 'Interviews' section where I was quite surprised to find my coverage of 
Noe published in Unity & Struggle newpaper in 1996...(2 years before the 
'mainstream' press! ;) -Matt

***********************************************************************

Les estoy enviando la actualizaci�n de mi p�gina para que vean lo �ltimo de 
mi trabajo. Tambi�n quiero aprovechar para mandarles un saludo y darles las 
gracias por su amistad y apoyo. Gracias a todos ustedes he alcanzado las 
metas que en un tiempo me propuse.   En estos momentos estoy en una nueva 
etapa de mi trabajo, dando talleres de pintura en la ciudad de Washington.

http://www2.gratisweb.com/xolotl_2000/xolotl.html

Espero escuchar de ustedes cualquier tipo de cr�tica. Si es una cr�tica dura 
mucho mejor.

Gracias por todo.

No�.


I am sending the updated version of my web page for you to see the latest of 
my work.  Also, I want to take this opportunity to greet you and thank you 
for you friendship and support.  Thanks to all of you I have reached the 
goals that I set for myself sometime ago.  Right now, I am in a new stage of 
my career, teaching art (painting) workshops in Washington, D.C.

http://www2.gratisweb.com/xolotl_2000/xolotl.html

I hope to hear any type of feedback or criticism.  The stronger the 
criticism the better.  Thank you for everything.

No�.


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(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)

Joe:

I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka 
poem.  However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of 
bigotry.  Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are 
valid?  Do you think Jim's comments are justified?

As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the 
housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written 
resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at 
the next NBHA meeting.  What's more, he was the only commissioner to 
vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with 
regard to its contracts with TCB.  Whatever I may think of 
Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" 
[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.

Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of 
the elected school board campaign.  I am interested in hearing your 
views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001, 
specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.  
Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based 
instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or 
instead of the elected school board question.


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the 
spirit of 
> the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are 
not "entirely 
> outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the 
people of 
> public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, 
rather 
> than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who  are 
our 
> enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of 
public 
> housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize 
the 
> democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican 
machine.
> 
> i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care 
less 
> about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for 
democratic 
> community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work 
on the 
> elected school board campaign april 28.
> 
> joe
> 
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  Free Film Screening and Discussion on the History
  of Campus Activism @ Rutgers!!!

  Movie: "Generation Without A Cause"
  When: Tuesday, April 17th, 8pm
  Where: Douglass Student Center, Meeting Room C


Synopsis of Film: It is actually an old news clip from the 1950's, with 
Walter Cronkite-and it discusses activism on college campuses. They came to 
Rutgers and interview some fraternity men and Douglass women. They talk 
about the problems they face when it comes to motivation, societal 
standards, peer pressures, etc. The clip also talks about the younger 
generation who got turned off by everything and became labeled as the "beat" 
generation (beatnics and so on).

It's a really interesting comparison to make between what college kids faced 
back then with and what we as activists are faced with now. There are more 
similarities than you would think. Professor Anne Mische from the Sociology 
Department will also be there to help facilitate the discussion.

  ...and its FREE!!!



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baraka's literature, in those instances, deserve criticism. i am under the 
impression that he has received criticism as well as self-criticized about 
those positions against jews. i have seen nothing since i've known him 
supporting those positions.

as for bright: he supports a republican on the board before he
supports a resident. that's the fact. and that makes him a theif, as
the campaign platform is community control, not to mention that he is in 
violation of federal law - something a lawyer should be concerned with.

joe

>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000
>
>(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
>
>Joe:
>
>I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka
>poem.  However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of
>bigotry.  Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are
>valid?  Do you think Jim's comments are justified?
>
>As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
>housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written
>resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at
>the next NBHA meeting.  What's more, he was the only commissioner to
>vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with
>regard to its contracts with TCB.  Whatever I may think of
>Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif"
>[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.
>
>Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of
>the elected school board campaign.  I am interested in hearing your
>views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.
>Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based
>instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or
>instead of the elected school board question.
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the
>spirit of
> > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are
>not "entirely
> > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the
>people of
> > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him,
>rather
> > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who  are
>our
> > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of
>public
> > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize
>the
> > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican
>machine.
> >
> > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care
>less
> > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for
>democratic
> > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work
>on the
> > elected school board campaign april 28.
> >
> > joe
> >
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Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality 
For Immediate Release 

Contact � Joe Smith 732.729.0390 
can_bush@... 
211 Redmond St. #2 New Brunswick, NJ 

Press Conference to announce list of New Brunswick activities to 
Defeat Racist Profiling: 

Press conference with all participating organizations/community 
members/ RU students. Wednesday April18 @3:00pm press is being called 
to Feaster Park steps which run along Throop Ave. All New Brunswick 
persons & organizations are being encouraged to draft up press 
statements with organization position and contact info. Conference is 
to announce New Brunswick activities and overall raise the attention 
to march on Trenton may16 

1. Public housing March to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality. 
Sunday April 29 @2:00pm. March will gather in parking lot of Robeson 
Village and travel through the villa and along Wright place. March is 
to promote the activists understanding that public housing tenants 
(especially in light of the Project tenants' situation)are constantly 
under the GUN because of their national and economic position. We must 
work to raise the consciousness of public housing tenants to the 
broader democratic rights struggle, as well as promote March on 
Trenton may16 

2. Speak out to defeat racist profiling/police brutality. 
Tuesday May1 11:00am-1: 00pm. 
Speak out speakers currently include: 
Larry Hamm -People's Organization for Progress 
Joseph Mosley - vice-chair New Jersey Green Party 
Joe Smith - committee to defeat racist profiling 
Jerusalam - immortal divine family 

Location is Brower Commons, speak out is to raise funds, as well as 
Rutgers' Students' consciousness about Racist Profiling & Police 
Brutality, and to support March on Trenton May16 throughout the state 
university. 

3. All New Brunswick March to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police 
Brutality Saturday April12 2:00pm. March will gather at the fountain 
(Livingston & George) and will combat racist profiling & police 
brutality that targets all New Brunswick residents. This all New 
Brunswick March will organize around & promote community demands to 
defeat racist profiling and will raise the consciousness of New 
Brunswick peoples' as well as promote March on Trenton may16 

Organizations already committed to attend events: 

1. Student/Worker Organization for Revolutionary Democracy 
2. James Dickson CARR Society, Rutgers 
3. NB Peoples' Campaign 
4. NB Coalition Against Police Brutality 
5. Sisterhood & Struggle 
6. NJ Greens Party, Vice Chair 
7. NB Community Arts Mural Project 

to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...

the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01, 
specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?

1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an 
elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community 
control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that goal 
given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and 
therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community 
control.

2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united 
fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything 
forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.

3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new brunswick 
ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed school 
board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in 
our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the eyes 
of its supporters.

4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our 
campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the 
ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth 
down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
  I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain       
one - vote yes elected school board
    two - vote mcgreasy
    the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote        
mcgreasy.
  II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
      we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
      governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his          
campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
      energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
      (nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
      state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
      board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford        
to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the             
campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
  III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
       council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
       it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
       city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
       be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city
       council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the
       community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the
       way to build.
  IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
      democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
      school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
      will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!

5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their 
schools.

6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in 
the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a week 
beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from nbpc 
get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a 
week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and 
addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we registered 
to vote last year (these
would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)

7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
not work on it....


joe smith

>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000
>
>(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
>
>Joe:
>
>I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka
>poem.  However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of
>bigotry.  Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are
>valid?  Do you think Jim's comments are justified?
>
>As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
>housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written
>resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at
>the next NBHA meeting.  What's more, he was the only commissioner to
>vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with
>regard to its contracts with TCB.  Whatever I may think of
>Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif"
>[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.
>
>Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of
>the elected school board campaign.  I am interested in hearing your
>views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.
>Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based
>instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or
>instead of the elected school board question.
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the
>spirit of
> > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are
>not "entirely
> > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the
>people of
> > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him,
>rather
> > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who  are
>our
> > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of
>public
> > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize
>the
> > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican
>machine.
> >
> > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care
>less
> > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for
>democratic
> > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work
>on the
> > elected school board campaign april 28.
> >
> > joe
> >
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NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
Press Secretary
P.O. Box 131♦ New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ♦ 732/735-1342



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
CONDEMNS CITY ASSAULT ON TENANT RIGHTS


NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 17, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign 
today issued the following statement:

	On April 18, 2001, the New Brunswick City Council will 
consider a new ordinance affecting tenants and landlords in the Hub 
City.  This proposal, however, is nothing less than a vicious attack 
on the economic and privacy rights of tenants.  Moreover, the 
excessive legal and administrative burdens placed on landlords under 
the proposal's terms also make it unjust.  For these reasons, the New 
Brunswick People's Campaign opposes the ordinance.

	The most objectionable feature to the ordinance is a 
requirement that a landlord make detailed information about her 
tenants publicly available at least once a year, or whenever there is 
a change in occupancy in the rented premises.  Specifically, the 
landlord is required to disclose the names and sleeping arrangements 
of all tenants in the unit.  The ordinance contains no provisions for 
keeping this information confidential.  These disclosures make public 
the most intimate details of a tenant's family life.  These abhorrent 
provisions smack more of a police state, where government keeps tabs 
on all its citizens, not a freedom-loving country like the United 
States.

	Another provision of the ordinance states that any person who 
has been twice convicted of a noise ordinance violation must be 
evicted and cannot be rented to again in New Brunswick for life.  
This provision is illegal for a number of reasons.  First, the city 
council is attempting to increase the punishment for a petty 
violation from a mere fine to lifetime banishment (at least as a 
tenant) from the City of New Brunswick.  This provision also attempts 
to take the question of tenant evictions, a matter within the 
jurisdiction of the New Jersey Superior Court, and make it a matter 
of a narrow-minded municipal law.  The pre-emption doctrine bars this.

	Yet another section of the ordinance allows law enforcement 
officials from the city's division of inspections to enter and search 
a tenant's dwelling on 48 hours' notice.  The ordinance contains no 
standards for initiating non-periodic inspections and therefore vests 
excessive discretion in inspectors.  More problematic, however, is 
that these searches can be done without a judge's oversight, as would 
be the case if a warrant were required.

	The ordinance is also simultaneously over-inclusive and under-
inclusive in its coverage.  It affects all rental units in New 
Brunswick, even those of three or more units, which are already 
subject to extensive regulation by the State.  We question the need 
for doubling the demands placed on landlords, who will incur 
additional cost and expense with these provisions, possibly passing 
these costs on to tenants.  It is underinclusive, however, in that it 
exempts all public housing units from its coverage.  By excluding 
these units, the city government is saying to public housing tenants 
that the city will offer them no protection from unsafe living 
conditions.

	This proposal promotes an antidemocratic way of life in New 
Brunswick.  Its onerous provisions hurt landlords but they are even 
more of an attack on community members who cannot afford to own, and 
hence, are part of New Brunswick's rental market.  Such community 
members will have to surrender substantial rights if this ordinance 
is passed and as such, NBPC vigorously opposes the ordinance.




	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Flavio Komuves - 732/261-3163 



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NICE GOOD POINTS.


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Did you cop that line from a Bret Shundler ad?

TRACYFORD1420@... wrote:

> FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER
> BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT
> PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION
> TRACY FORD
>
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why run the elected board campaign this year?

mcgreasy lost in '97 by 25,000 votes.  he demands 100% anti-republican 
effort. the entire nj dem machine is lined up to support him.

nb democrats cannot fight the republicans statewide, and simultaneously 
fight the people locally, without jeapordizing mcgreasy's governor campaign.

the national democratic party cannot lose this  nj election. nor can the 
people.

the nb democrats will be nuetralized on a local school board race, as their 
100% focus must be on trenton for mcgreasy & egan.

roosevelt school scored 12.6% passing on '01 proficiency test.

unite, don't split!



>From: "joseph smith" <can_bush@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:24 -0400
>
>to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...
>
>the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?
>
>1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an
>elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community
>control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that 
>goal
>given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and
>therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community
>control.
>
>2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
>of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united
>fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything
>forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.
>
>3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new 
>brunswick
>ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed 
>school
>board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in
>our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the 
>eyes
>of its supporters.
>
>4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our
>campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the
>ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth
>down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
>   I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain
>one - vote yes elected school board
>     two - vote mcgreasy
>     the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote
>mcgreasy.
>   II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
>       we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
>       governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his
>campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
>       energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
>       (nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
>       state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
>       board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford
>to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the
>campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
>   III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
>        council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
>        it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
>        city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
>        be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city
>        council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the
>        community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the
>        way to build.
>   IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
>       democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
>       school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
>       will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!
>
>5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
>into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
>the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
>the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
>amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their
>schools.
>
>6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in
>the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a 
>week
>beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from 
>nbpc
>get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a
>week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and
>addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we 
>registered
>to vote last year (these
>would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)
>
>7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
>not work on it....
>
>
>joe smith
>
> >From: Groovemeister007@...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000
> >
> >(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
> >
> >Joe:
> >
> >I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka
> >poem.  However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of
> >bigotry.  Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are
> >valid?  Do you think Jim's comments are justified?
> >
> >As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
> >housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written
> >resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at
> >the next NBHA meeting.  What's more, he was the only commissioner to
> >vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with
> >regard to its contracts with TCB.  Whatever I may think of
> >Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif"
> >[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.
> >
> >Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of
> >the elected school board campaign.  I am interested in hearing your
> >views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001,
> >specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.
> >Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based
> >instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or
> >instead of the elected school board question.
> >
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the
> >spirit of
> > > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are
> >not "entirely
> > > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the
> >people of
> > > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him,
> >rather
> > > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who  are
> >our
> > > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of
> >public
> > > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize
> >the
> > > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican
> >machine.
> > >
> > > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care
> >less
> > > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for
> >democratic
> > > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work
> >on the
> > > elected school board campaign april 28.
> > >
> > > joe
> > >
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well done flavio & peoples campaign.

community control over housing!
rent control!


>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Press release- ordinance regarding tenants
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:03 -0000
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
>Press Secretary
>P.O. Box 131? New Brunswick, NJ 08903 ? 732/735-1342
>
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK PEOPLE'S CAMPAIGN
>CONDEMNS CITY ASSAULT ON TENANT RIGHTS
>
>
>NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 17, 2001 -- The New Brunswick People's Campaign
>today issued the following statement:
>
>	On April 18, 2001, the New Brunswick City Council will
>consider a new ordinance affecting tenants and landlords in the Hub
>City.  This proposal, however, is nothing less than a vicious attack
>on the economic and privacy rights of tenants.  Moreover, the
>excessive legal and administrative burdens placed on landlords under
>the proposal's terms also make it unjust.  For these reasons, the New
>Brunswick People's Campaign opposes the ordinance.
>
>	The most objectionable feature to the ordinance is a
>requirement that a landlord make detailed information about her
>tenants publicly available at least once a year, or whenever there is
>a change in occupancy in the rented premises.  Specifically, the
>landlord is required to disclose the names and sleeping arrangements
>of all tenants in the unit.  The ordinance contains no provisions for
>keeping this information confidential.  These disclosures make public
>the most intimate details of a tenant's family life.  These abhorrent
>provisions smack more of a police state, where government keeps tabs
>on all its citizens, not a freedom-loving country like the United
>States.
>
>	Another provision of the ordinance states that any person who
>has been twice convicted of a noise ordinance violation must be
>evicted and cannot be rented to again in New Brunswick for life.
>This provision is illegal for a number of reasons.  First, the city
>council is attempting to increase the punishment for a petty
>violation from a mere fine to lifetime banishment (at least as a
>tenant) from the City of New Brunswick.  This provision also attempts
>to take the question of tenant evictions, a matter within the
>jurisdiction of the New Jersey Superior Court, and make it a matter
>of a narrow-minded municipal law.  The pre-emption doctrine bars this.
>
>	Yet another section of the ordinance allows law enforcement
>officials from the city's division of inspections to enter and search
>a tenant's dwelling on 48 hours' notice.  The ordinance contains no
>standards for initiating non-periodic inspections and therefore vests
>excessive discretion in inspectors.  More problematic, however, is
>that these searches can be done without a judge's oversight, as would
>be the case if a warrant were required.
>
>	The ordinance is also simultaneously over-inclusive and under-
>inclusive in its coverage.  It affects all rental units in New
>Brunswick, even those of three or more units, which are already
>subject to extensive regulation by the State.  We question the need
>for doubling the demands placed on landlords, who will incur
>additional cost and expense with these provisions, possibly passing
>these costs on to tenants.  It is underinclusive, however, in that it
>exempts all public housing units from its coverage.  By excluding
>these units, the city government is saying to public housing tenants
>that the city will offer them no protection from unsafe living
>conditions.
>
>	This proposal promotes an antidemocratic way of life in New
>Brunswick.  Its onerous provisions hurt landlords but they are even
>more of an attack on community members who cannot afford to own, and
>hence, are part of New Brunswick's rental market.  Such community
>members will have to surrender substantial rights if this ordinance
>is passed and as such, NBPC vigorously opposes the ordinance.
>
>
>
>
>	FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: Flavio Komuves - 732/261-3163
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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ok curtis. good look.


>From: citruswar@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:12:46 EDT
>
>NICE GOOD POINTS.
>
>
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ha.


>From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] rain coats
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:42:25 -0400
>
>Did you cop that line from a Bret Shundler ad?
>
>TRACYFORD1420@... wrote:
>
> > FRANK BRIGHT 'S WIDE SUPPORT IS A RESULT OF HIS DEEPLY HELD THAT POWER
> > BELONGS IN THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE AND NOT POLITICIANS. YOU HAVE NOT
> > PRESENTED NOT FACTS ,JUST MISINFORMATION
> > TRACY FORD
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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tues. night: 

sit-in at targum office demanding apology for printing white 
supremacist, anti-reparations editorial.

spread word & line up support.

speak-out against racist profiling & police brutality,
 1 may, brower commons, 11am.

Bigotry?  That's a tall accusation.

1) I didn't say Christians are weak.  Look again.  I said "or"; 
not "and."  Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians are 
weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list?  
Derrrrr.

2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's 
adherents are out of touch with reality.  Please read section X of 
David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding."  The part "On 
Miracles."  Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with.  I'm 
tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a 
certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in 
any way shape or form.   

3) This is not the campaign list anymore.  If you must criticize me, 
do so.  But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or 
saying something that the campaign "is not about."    

4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry?  Call it what it is.  
RACIST.

5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted.  I wholeheartedly apologize 
for my message, because it was confusing.  I was just making a point 
that you have to argue for an opinion.  None of us should be in the 
habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone.  I for one have 
not been convinced of the argument for reparations.  Come to think of 
it, neither have most black people or members of the working class, 
evidentally.  I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them.  Maybe 
the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree 
with BOL on this issue.  Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are 
Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact.  Maybe like Spanish 
Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the heathen 
world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and the 
Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self-
Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial 
power).

6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"?  Why not Slim 
Jim?  That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim.  And, 
like, my name is Jim too!! :D  Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM LUCENO, 
DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT?  You know, you really hold back 
too much with your polemics.  You should allow yourself some 
catharsis.  Let some of that anger out.  You're so darn reserved!  

Jim

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
> Friends:
> 
> Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against 
the 
> basic spirit of unity in the Campaign.  In that vein, I am entirely 
> outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have 
> chosen to express bigoted views on this board.  Specifically,
> 
> Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak, 
> pre-modern, or out of touch with reality."  (message 1454) 
> 
> Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka):  "We want poems 
> like fists beating niggers out of Jocks 
> or dagger poems in the slimy bellies 
> of the owner-jews.  ....  Another bad poem cracking 
> steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth."  (message 1381).
> 
> 
> Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about.  Gentlemen, 
> please explain yourselves!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote:
> > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German 
> > Shepherds?  This is not an esoteric point.  
> > 
> > "I don't ally myself with facts.  SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!"
> > 
> > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT.  Your responses amount to, "No, you're 
> > wrong. Fuck you."  This is why I have given up on these useless 
> back-
> > and-forths.  You have yet to write one argument against what I am 
> > saying.  Yes, I know you support the black nation.  Yes, I know 
you 
> > believe in reparations.  Yes I know you believe in self-
> > determination.  
> > 
> > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone?  Who 
> told 
> > you this stuff anyway?  You got these ideas from somewhere.
> > 
> > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely 
> weak, 
> > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality.  Please convince me of 
> your 
> > view.  I would like to be part of your hip herd, really.  But not 
> > before I hear a convincing argument.  
> > 
> > Let's start:  Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*?
> > 
> > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you 
respond 
> > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to 
> > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian.  You have the 
> > line of Idi Amin.
> > 
> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...> 
> > wrote:
> > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have 
to
> > > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because 
> slavery
> > > >was abolished".
> > > 
> > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation 
> emphasizes
> > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of 
> belonging 
> > to
> > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> > > >totalitarianism."  --jim luceno
> > > 
> > > keith, care to ally yrself with this?
> > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black 
nation, 
> > and all 
> > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help 
kick 
> my 
> > ass if I 
> > > made this argument on the street outside my house"  j-low
> > > 
> > >                  ^^^this is a lie.^^^
> > > 
> > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
> > > >
> > > >Joe --
> > > >
> > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I 
can
> > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
> > > >
> > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have 
to
> > > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because 
> slavery
> > > >was abolished.
> > > >
> > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is 
> > racism
> > > >and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.  
> > That's
> > > >absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.
> > > >
> > > >What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw 
> money
> > > >at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black 
people 
> > care
> > > >about is getting cash for slavery?
> > > >
> > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
> > > >determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black 
> nation?
> > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
> > > >connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?  
You're
> > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?  
> What
> > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
> > > >
> > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a 
> > phenomenon
> > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-
sidedeness 
> is
> > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation 
> is.
> > > >
> > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of 
the
> > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does 
not 
> > mean
> > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral 
heritage.
> > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation 
> emphasizes
> > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of 
> belonging 
> > to
> > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> > > >totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise, 
> > you're
> > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs 
me 
> > up.
> > > >It abandons you.
> > > >
> > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a 
UNIVERSAL
> > > >conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other 
list 
> you
> > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
> > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt 
you 
> > do...
> > > >
> > > >Jim
> > > >
> > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery? 
> do 
> > you
> > > >think
> > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think 
> > students of
> > > > > segregation should be repaid for education?
> > > > >
> > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that 
you 
> > can
> > > >agree
> > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it 
> > being
> > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the 
> > arguements
> > > >that you
> > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
> > > >underrstand what
> > > > > you think.
> > > > >
> > > > > joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self 
D 
> > and
> > > > > >Repartaions and Jim
> > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was 
> actaully
> > > >moving
> > > > > >forward, and
> > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even 
meaning 
> > to.
> > > >For
> > > > > >insatnce when he
> > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-
> > modern
> > > >classes"
> > > > > >taking
> > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship 
of
> > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US
> > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in 
> democratic
> > > >anti-feudal
> > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the 
Klan 
> is 
> > an
> > > > > >ultra-left error and
> > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are 
against
> > > >reparations
> > > > > >that's why
> > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already 
have 
> > it. To
> > > >say that
> > > > > >Jim's
> > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not 
> call 
> > him
> > > >a Klans
> > > > > >man) is
> > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people 
> rather
> > > >than
> > > > > >organize them.
> > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers 
> > closer
> > > >togther
> > > > > >towards
> > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
> > > >disunity.
> > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to 
say 
> I 
> > had
> > > >a line
> > > > > >analgous to
> > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why 
would 
> > you
> > > >expect Jim
> > > > > >to do
> > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan 
> educate 
> > him
> > > >or
> > > > > >change his mind
> > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of 
> which 
> > the
> > > >attack
> > > > > >on Curtis is
> > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it 
> creates 
> > an
> > > >enemy
> > > > > >where there
> > > > > >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-
left 
> > line
> > > >and its
> > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat 
> force
> > > >towards
> > > > > >uniting
> > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will 
> go a
> > > >long way in
> > > > > >  defeating
> > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that 
> > dominates
> > > >NJFO and
> > > > > >the People's
> > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with 
> people
> > > >like Jim and
> > > > > >Curtis (to
> > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one 
> will 
> > be
> > > >organized
> > > > > >and we will
> > > > > >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a 
good
> > > >vehicle to
> > > > > >bring
> > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an 
> > excuse
> > > >to force
> > > > > >people to
> > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
> > > >imperialsim.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >cliff smith wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the 
> > destruction
> > > >of
> > > > > >national
> > > > > > > "soveriegnty"?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from 
denying 
> > your
> > > >right to
> > > > > >it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be 
understood 
> > only
> > > > > >economically,
> > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling 
> > national
> > > > > >governments.
> > > > > > > else why eliminate allende?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
> > > >oppression of
> > > > > >Black
> > > > > > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb 
> > Blacks/Latinos
> > > >are not
> > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was 
> diallo
> > > >obliterated
> > > > > >for
> > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james 
> byrd 
> > by
> > > >poor
> > > > > >whites?
> > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights, 
education, 
> > jobs?
> > > >the
> > > > > >vast,
> > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic 
Nation)
> > > >south?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from 
> > Afro-
> > > >America,
> > > > > >but
> > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its
> > > >economic,
> > > > > >political,
> > > > > > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of 
benny
> > > >goodman to
> > > > > >jazz,
> > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who 
> > profit$
> > > >from
> > > > > >these
> > > > > > > Black national markets?  sony?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start 
with
> > > >dubois "black
> > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to 
> some
> > > >charles
> > > > > >mingus.
> > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of 
national 
> > self-
> > > > > > > >determination &
> > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources.  your
> > > >celebrated "modernism" is
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real 
> value
> > > >from one
> > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of 
> > national
> > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations 
in 
> > the
> > > >U.S. and
> > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book 
> and 
> > Huey
> > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say 
that 
> if
> > > >you like,
> > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and
> > > >industrialization has
> > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are 
> > stealing
> > > >national
> > > > > > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor 
power.
> > > >I'll agree
> > > > > > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a 
> class
> > > >question,
> > > > > > > >not a race question.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.  
however
> > > >democracy
> > > > > > > >means those
> > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st 
& 
> > the
> > > >US urban
> > > > > > > >centers,
> > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne 
Nations 
> > have
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >right to
> > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in 
> which
> > > >they are
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the 
US, 
> > which
> > > >they
> > > > > > > >have never
> > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of 
all 
> > Black
> > > >peoples
> > > > > > > >in US.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at 
> the
> > > >grassroots
> > > > > > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of
> > > >*race*?  Why?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that 
> identify
> > > >themselves
> > > > > > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your 
> > brother's
> > > >word)
> > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom 
> > want to
> > > >form
> > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
> > > >Should they
> > > > > > > >be allowed to?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of 
local
> > > >government
> > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities, 
what 
> > have
> > > >you)
> > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say 
> what
> > > >you will
> > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at 
least 
> > they
> > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More 
> than
> > > >what the
> > > > > > > >state governments would have done.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working 
> > class
> > > >along
> > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain 
> people 
> > are
> > > >unique
> > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of 
> > cultural
> > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders* 
cannot
> > > >understand,
> > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity 
> > garbage
> > > >is what
> > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi 
Amin 
> > spouts
> > > >before
> > > > > > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?  
> > Let's
> > > >be real.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at 
> sanford 
> > st
> > > >& demand
> > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j 
dictatorship,
> > > >which is the
> > > > > > > >heart of
> > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j 
to 
> > solve
> > > > > > > >problems".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a
> > > >community
> > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit 
> there.  
> > Or
> > > >better
> > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is 
your 
> > self-
> > > > > > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an
> > > >international
> > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all 
> lines.  
> > Class
> > > > > > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat 
imperialism, 
> > then
> > > >we can
> > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we 
> need
> > > >something
> > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest 
of 
> > the
> > > > > > > >proletariat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction 
by
> > > >fascist
> > > > > > > >terror. the
> > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876 
hayes-
> > tilden
> > > > > > > >scheme.  where
> > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than 
the
> > > >return of
> > > > > > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the
> > > >southern
> > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
> > > >Reconstruction
> > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the 
U.S.
> > > >army, that
> > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
> > > >determination.
> > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide 
who 
> > could
> > > >have
> > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you 
> > don't
> > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of 
> > federal
> > > >force?
> > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it 
> away
> > > >because it
> > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The 
> line 
> > is
> > > >drawn
> > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to 
reap 
> the
> > > >harvest.
> > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.  
> > Progress
> > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the 
part 
> of
> > > >human-kind
> > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is 
the
> > > > > > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and 
> real
> > > >political
> > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You 
> > forget
> > > >about
> > > > > > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for 
history 
> > class
> > > >about
> > > > > > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences, 
> because 
> > the
> > > >idea
> > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly 
> the
> > > >idea we
> > > > > > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of 
the
> > > > > > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being 
a 
> > part
> > > >of
> > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
> > > >Because you
> > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
> > > >redevelopment
> > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into 
> > enclaves
> > > >in the
> > > > > > > >suburbs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the 
> power 
> > of
> > > >the
> > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by
> > > >balkanizing
> > > > > > > >the United States?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of 
> nation:
> > > >common
> > > > > > > >geographic
> > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put 
> > forward
> > > >first by
> > > > > > > >Joe
> > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think 
> about 
> > how
> > > >Joe
> > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination 
> for
> > > >Lenin, and
> > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of 
> satellites
> > > >after the
> > > > > > > >war.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
> > > >patriarchy!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
> > > >capital!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
> > > >Sandford St.
> > > > > > > >down
> > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
> > > >determination.  I'm
> > > > > > > > > >not following.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm 
> down
> > > >with radical
> > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But 
> > where do
> > > >you get
> > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-
> determination 
> > and
> > > > > > > >reparations
> > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
> > > ><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic 
> > democratic
> > > >rights and
> > > > > > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national 
equality.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white 
> supremacist.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> > > >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's 
> > Campaign, I
> > > >am not
> > > > > > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.  
That 
> > is, I
> > > >have not
> > > > > > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the 
> only
> > > >arguments I
> > > > > > > >can
> > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by 
> arguments
> > > >against it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never 
voted 
> on 
> > a
> > > >statement
> > > > > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.  
If 
> the
> > > >debate came
> > > > > > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political 
radicalism, 
> I
> > > >cannot
> > > > > > > >condone
> > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
> > > >the "black
> > > > > > > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign 
endorsed 
> > self-
> > > > > > > >determination
> > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated 
> > debate
> > > >over the
> > > > > > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick 
People's
> > > >Campaign or
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.  
> Since 
> > we
> > > >have
> > > > > > > >never had
> > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do 
you 
> > think
> > > >it
> > > > > > > >belongs
> > > > > > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something 
> we 
> > are
> > > >against
> > > > > > > >in
> > > > > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
> > > ><can_bush@h...>
> > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the 
> Black
> > > >Nation!??
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> > > >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN
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New
> > > >Brunswick,
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
> > > >VERNIERO'S
> > > > > > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New 
> > Brunswick
> > > >People's
> > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick 
> > residents
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents 
> > from all
> > > > > > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
> > > >statement today:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign 
(NBPC)
> > > >warmly
> > > > > > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of 
the 
> > New
> > > >Jersey
> > > > > > > >State
> > > > > > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme 
> Court
> > > >Justice
> > > > > > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial
> > > >profiling and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of 
people 
> of
> > > >color,
> > > > > > > >commits
> > > > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed 
by
> > > >swift and
> > > > > > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and 
their
> > > >superiors who
> > > > > > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be
> > > >consistent
> > > > > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the 
> Senate
> > > >Judiciary
> > > > > > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
> > > >satisfaction, that
> > > > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial 
> > profiling
> > > >in the
> > > > > > > >state
> > > > > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop 
this
> > > >hateful
> > > > > > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign 
> further
> > > >calls
> > > > > > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a 
> resolution
> > > >calling for
> > > > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the 
> bipartisan
> > > >group of
> > > > > > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at 
long 
> > last,
> > > >been
> > > > > > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
> > > >Committee's
> > > > > > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is 
> now 
> > more
> > > >acute
> > > > > > > >than
> > > > > > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over 
police, 
> > and
> > > >believes
> > > > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including 
democratically 
> > elected
> > > > > > > >civilian
> > > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end 
> to 
> > the
> > > >hate
> > > > > > > >crimes
> > > > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of 
people 
> of
> > > >color.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State 
> > Legislature is
> > > > > > > >already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all
> > > >legislators, if
> > > > > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > > > > >good
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To whom it may concern:

The Douglass College Government Association passed this resolution opposing
the New Brunswick City Council's proposed rent ordinance at its meeting of
Tuesday, April 17. DCGA is taking a stand against the ordinance, which will
be voted on at Wednesday night's city council meeting, because it is highly
invasive and intrusive upon privacy rights and contains onerous restrictions
on renting in relation to noise violations. This proposed legislation is
dangerous to tenants' rights and students' ability to live in their city.
For more information on the resolution and DCGA's stand against the
ordinance, I may be contacted at 373-7853, or ckates@....

Sincerely,
Charlotte L. Kates
Class of 2002 Representative, DCGA

RESOLUTION IN OPPOSITION TO PROPOSED CITY COUNCIL RENT ORDINANCE

DC-00-01-24

Whereas, the New Brunswick City Council will consider on Wednesday, April 18
a proposed ordinance concerning rental agreements in the City of New
Brunswick, and

Whereas, numerous Douglass College students live in off-campus housing, most
frequently through rental agreements with landlords, and

Whereas, the Douglass College Government Association (DCGA) represents those
Douglass students living in off-campus housing, and

Whereas, the proposed ordinance would require landlords to divulge the names
and occupancy arrangements of all tenants of their property every time
occupancy changes, upon the signing of a new lease agreement, or at least
once per year, and

Whereas, this information would be publicly available and no provisions are
contained in the ordinance for privacy protection of the intimate details of
renters' living arrangements, and

Whereas, tenants who violate occupancy restrictions would be required to be
evicted within 30 days, and

Whereas, the ordinance would also require that any tenant more than twice
convicted of a noise ordinance violation must be evicted and never again
allowed to rent
in the City of New Brunswick, and

Whereas, the student governing associations have been working to address
issues in the City of New Brunswick over the past year, and

Whereas, these issues are of major concern to the thousands of renters in
the City of New Brunswick, including numerous Douglass College Students;

Therefore, be it resolved, that the DCGA stands in opposition to this
proposed ordinance, as it is an egregious violation of the privacy rights
and needs of New Brunswick renters, including many students, and

Be it further resolved, that the DCGA avows that renters should not be
required to make publicly available sensitive information relating to their
place of residence and living circumstances merely because they are tenants
and not property owners, and

Be it further resolved, that the DCGA condemns any such ordinance which
places undue burden on students and others who cannot afford to purchase
property, and

Be it further resolved, that the DCGA notes with concern that students are
often subject to police surveillance and noise citations and therefore
stands in opposition to the section of the proposed ordinance which would
turn a misdemeanor offense into a lifetime sentence of banishment from the
City of New Brunswick, and

Be it finally resolved, that the DCGA upholds the right of tenants to
privacy in their own homes and to freedom from onerous noise ordinance
penalties, is firmly opposed to any ordinance of the City Council which
would deny renters the rights and privileges due them, and calls on the City
Council to defeat this proposed ordinance in its meeting of Wednesday, April
18.

Respectfully Submitted,
Charlotte L. Kates
Class of 2002 Representative

CC: Resolution List
New Brunswick City Council
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>From: jmluceno@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] Bigoted?
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:35:59 -0000
>
>Bigotry?  That's a tall accusation.
>
>1) I didn't say Christians are weak.  Look again.  I said "or";
>not "and."  Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians are
>weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list?
>Derrrrr.
>
>2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's
>adherents are out of touch with reality.  Please read section X of
>David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding."  The part "On
>Miracles."  Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with.  I'm
>tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a
>certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in
>any way shape or form.
>
>3) This is not the campaign list anymore.  If you must criticize me,
>do so.  But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or
>saying something that the campaign "is not about."
>
>4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry?  Call it what it is.
>RACIST.
>
>5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted.  I wholeheartedly apologize
>for my message, because it was confusing.  I was just making a point
>that you have to argue for an opinion.  None of us should be in the
>habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone.  I for one have
>not been convinced of the argument for reparations.  Come to think of
>it, neither have most black people or members of the working class,
>evidentally.  I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them.  Maybe
>the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree
>with BOL on this issue.  Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are
>Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact.  Maybe like Spanish
>Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the heathen
>world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and the
>Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self-
>Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial
>power).
>
>6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"?  Why not Slim
>Jim?  That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim.  And,
>like, my name is Jim too!! :D  Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM LUCENO,
>DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT?  You know, you really hold back
>too much with your polemics.  You should allow yourself some
>catharsis.  Let some of that anger out.  You're so darn reserved!
>
>Jim
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
> > Friends:
> >
> > Bigotry of all kinds is morally and legally wrong and is against
>the
> > basic spirit of unity in the Campaign.  In that vein, I am entirely
> > outraged that in the past week, both Jim Luceno and Joe Smith have
> > chosen to express bigoted views on this board.  Specifically,
> >
> > Jim: "Christians and other forms of life [are] entirely weak,
> > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality."  (message 1454)
> >
> > Joe (quoting a poem from A. Baraka):  "We want poems
> > like fists beating niggers out of Jocks
> > or dagger poems in the slimy bellies
> > of the owner-jews.  ....  Another bad poem cracking
> > steel knuckles in a jewlady's mouth."  (message 1381).
> >
> >
> > Religious bigotry is not what this Campaign is about.  Gentlemen,
> > please explain yourselves!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., jmluceno@e... wrote:
> > > Did someone replace the hemispheres of your brain with two German
> > > Shepherds?  This is not an esoteric point.
> > >
> > > "I don't ally myself with facts.  SELF-DETERMINATION!!!!"
> > >
> > > MAKE A FRIGGIN ARGUMENT.  Your responses amount to, "No, you're
> > > wrong. Fuck you."  This is why I have given up on these useless
> > back-
> > > and-forths.  You have yet to write one argument against what I am
> > > saying.  Yes, I know you support the black nation.  Yes, I know
>you
> > > believe in reparations.  Yes I know you believe in self-
> > > determination.
> > >
> > > Am I to understand you hold these opinions on faith alone?  Who
> > told
> > > you this stuff anyway?  You got these ideas from somewhere.
> > >
> > > Look: Faith is for Christians and other forms of life entirely
> > weak,
> > > pre-modern, or out of touch with reality.  Please convince me of
> > your
> > > view.  I would like to be part of your hip herd, really.  But not
> > > before I hear a convincing argument.
> > >
> > > Let's start:  Why do African-Americans constitute a *nation*?
> > >
> > > Until you give me a convincing argument, and as long as you
>respond
> > > my saying I have the line of the "klan," then I will be forced to
> > > label you separatist, secessionist, even sectarian.  You have the
> > > line of Idi Amin.
> > >
> > > --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have
>to
> > > > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because
> > slavery
> > > > >was abolished".
> > > >
> > > > "And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation
> > emphasizes
> > > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of
> > belonging
> > > to
> > > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> > > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> > > > >totalitarianism."  --jim luceno
> > > >
> > > > keith, care to ally yrself with this?
> > > > call me "ultraleft" but i stand with the oppressed black
>nation,
> > > and all
> > > > oppressed nations against imperialism & imperialist apologies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "On the other list you were just saying that you would help
>kick
> > my
> > > ass if I
> > > > made this argument on the street outside my house"  j-low
> > > >
> > > >                  ^^^this is a lie.^^^
> > > >
> > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:20:11 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > >Joe --
> > > > >
> > > > >I think slaves should be repaid for slavery, but as far as I
>can
> > > > >tell, the last of the slaves died over a 100 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > >What is the *immediate* connection that African Americans have
>to
> > > > >slavery?  None.  There is no immediate connection, because
> > slavery
> > > > >was abolished.
> > > > >
> > > > >What African-Americans do have an immediate connection with is
> > > racism
> > > > >and capitalism.  They aren't impoverished because of slavery.
> > > That's
> > > > >absurd.  They're impoverished because of racism.
> > > > >
> > > > >What are you going to do about racism?  You're going to throw
> > money
> > > > >at it.  Great.  Are you *really* that cynical?  All black
>people
> > > care
> > > > >about is getting cash for slavery?
> > > > >
> > > > >You're being vague vague vague about this question of self-
> > > > >determination.  What are the boundaries that form the black
> > nation?
> > > > >What is the geographical location that they have an ancestral
> > > > >connection to?  What do you mean by "community control"?
>You're
> > > > >going to fight off capitalism by roping off the inner cities?
> > What
> > > > >does the inner city produce that anybody needs?
> > > > >
> > > > >Gee wiz, welcome to Dialectics 101.  You cannot isolate a
> > > phenomenon
> > > > >from the totality, or else it becomes one-sided.  One-
>sidedeness
> > is
> > > > >exactly what the call for self-determation of the black nation
> > is.
> > > > >
> > > > >Revolution requires that the proletariat have an awareness of
>the
> > > > >*totality* of the system of capitalist production.  It does
>not
> > > mean
> > > > >having an awareness of PARTICULAR cultural or ancestral
>heritage.
> > > > >And I stress once again -- the extent to which a nation
> > emphasizes
> > > > >its uniqueness as a people based upon an innate sense of
> > belonging
> > > to
> > > > >a culture that makes it different from "western ideas" or, even
> > > > >better, "white ideas", is the extent to which is supports
> > > > >totalitarianism.  If you're going to prove it to me otherwise,
> > > you're
> > > > >not going to prove it on the basis of history.  History backs
>me
> > > up.
> > > > >It abandons you.
> > > > >
> > > > >There is an implicit idea in Marx that we move toward a
>UNIVERSAL
> > > > >conception of culture.  Do you recognize it?  On the other
>list
> > you
> > > > >were just saying that you would help kick my ass if I made this
> > > > >argument on the street outside my house, so I somehow doubt
>you
> > > do...
> > > > >
> > > > >Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > jim, do you agree that slaves should be repaid for slavery?
> > do
> > > you
> > > > >think
> > > > > > workers should be repaid for exploitation? do you think
> > > students of
> > > > > > segregation should be repaid for education?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when you first posted that there are some arguements that
>you
> > > can
> > > > >agree
> > > > > > with, but they can be beat by arguements countering it. (it
> > > being
> > > > > > reperations and self-determination) can you explain the
> > > arguements
> > > > >that you
> > > > > > support without bringing up the better counters? i want to
> > > > >underrstand what
> > > > > > you think.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > joe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: Louise Ammentorp <lknesta@i...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > >Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1980 22:37:00 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I thought that this was a good discussion. I advocate Self
>D
> > > and
> > > > > > >Repartaions and Jim
> > > > > > >and I have debated it in the past. The discussion was
> > actaully
> > > > >moving
> > > > > > >forward, and
> > > > > > >many times Jim made the case for Self-D without even
>meaning
> > > to.
> > > > >For
> > > > > > >insatnce when he
> > > > > > >says that the overthrow of reconstruction resulted in "pre-
> > > modern
> > > > >classes"
> > > > > > >taking
> > > > > > >control of the Soutrh. That is the point, the relationship
>of
> > > > > > >Afro-Americans to the US
> > > > > > >is not even at the level that should be achieved in
> > democratic
> > > > >anti-feudal
> > > > > > >revolutions. Self-D addresses that very point.
> > > > > > >However, to say that Jim's analysis is the same as the
>Klan
> > is
> > > an
> > > > > > >ultra-left error and
> > > > > > >a un- informed remark. First of all,  most people are
>against
> > > > >reparations
> > > > > > >that's why
> > > > > > >we have to struggle for it; otherwise we would already
>have
> > > it. To
> > > > >say that
> > > > > > >Jim's
> > > > > > >analysis is the same as the Klan (even though you did not
> > call
> > > him
> > > > >a Klans
> > > > > > >man) is
> > > > > > >counter-revolutionary because it disorganizes the people
> > rather
> > > > >than
> > > > > > >organize them.
> > > > > > >Instead of drawing revolutionary intellectuals and workers
> > > closer
> > > > >togther
> > > > > > >towards
> > > > > > >unity around a common platform it pushes them away towards
> > > > >disunity.
> > > > > > >I would take it as an extreme insult if someone were to
>say
> > I
> > > had
> > > > >a line
> > > > > > >analgous to
> > > > > > >the Klan given that I identify as a revolutionary, why
>would
> > > you
> > > > >expect Jim
> > > > > > >to do
> > > > > > >otherwise? How does saying he has a line like the Klan
> > educate
> > > him
> > > > >or
> > > > > > >change his mind
> > > > > > >or even just contribute meaningfully to the debate?
> > > > > > >This is one particular example of an ultra-left trend of
> > which
> > > the
> > > > >attack
> > > > > > >on Curtis is
> > > > > > >but another example. This line is sectarian because it
> > creates
> > > an
> > > > >enemy
> > > > > > >where there
> > > > > > >was/should/could be an ally.   The defeat of this ultra-
>left
> > > line
> > > > >and its
> > > > > > >rectification along Marxist-Leninist lines will be a geat
> > force
> > > > >towards
> > > > > > >uniting
> > > > > > >revolutionarys in New Brunswick and in New Jersey and will
> > go a
> > > > >long way in
> > > > > > >  defeating
> > > > > > >the local Social-Democrat liberal missionary line that
> > > dominates
> > > > >NJFO and
> > > > > > >the People's
> > > > > > >Campaign. If you can not maintain even an alliance with
> > people
> > > > >like Jim and
> > > > > > >Curtis (to
> > > > > > >name but two examples) the movemnt will not grow, no one
> > will
> > > be
> > > > >organized
> > > > > > >and we will
> > > > > > >have 5  organizations for four  people. Discussion is a
>good
> > > > >vehicle to
> > > > > > >bring
> > > > > > >ideological clarity and unity but if discussion is just an
> > > excuse
> > > > >to force
> > > > > > >people to
> > > > > > >accept your line with verbal abuse it becomes a servant of
> > > > >imperialsim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >cliff smith wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the theft of national "value" is incidental to the
> > > destruction
> > > > >of
> > > > > > >national
> > > > > > > > "soveriegnty"?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > stealing something from you is disconnected from
>denying
> > > your
> > > > >right to
> > > > > > >it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > imperialism (or any social relation) cannot be
>understood
> > > only
> > > > > > >economically,
> > > > > > > > & not also necessarily politically.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > the u.s. cannot control arab oil without 1st toppling
> > > national
> > > > > > >governments.
> > > > > > > > else why eliminate allende?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it is a white supremacist position to deny the national
> > > > >oppression of
> > > > > > >Black
> > > > > > > > America.  j&j steals from everyone equally?  nb
> > > Blacks/Latinos
> > > > >are not
> > > > > > > > super-exploited/oppressed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > what is racial profiling? a class question only? was
> > diallo
> > > > >obliterated
> > > > > > >for
> > > > > > > > being poor only? how to explaing the lynching of james
> > byrd
> > > by
> > > > >poor
> > > > > > >whites?
> > > > > > > > any lynching? the denial of democratic rights,
>education,
> > > jobs?
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >vast,
> > > > > > > > utter impoverishment of the Black Belt (geographic
>Nation)
> > > > >south?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > u.s. imperialism does not merely steal labor power from
> > > Afro-
> > > > >America,
> > > > > > >but
> > > > > > > > most definitely robs its national "value".  impedes its
> > > > >economic,
> > > > > > >political,
> > > > > > > > & cultural development.  what is the relationship of
>benny
> > > > >goodman to
> > > > > > >jazz,
> > > > > > > > of eminem to hiphop, of the nba to allen iverson?  who
> > > profit$
> > > > >from
> > > > > > >these
> > > > > > > > Black national markets?  sony?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if yr serious in understanding these relations, start
>with
> > > > >dubois "black
> > > > > > > > reconstruction" & baraka's "black nation" or listen to
> > some
> > > > >charles
> > > > > > >mingus.
> > > > > > > > yr analysis now is that of the klan.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 01:13:28 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > the basis of imperialism is the rejection of
>national
> > > self-
> > > > > > > > >determination &
> > > > > > > > > > the theft of national resources.  your
> > > > >celebrated "modernism" is
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > ideology of Trooper Profiling.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >No.  The basis of imperialism is the removal of real
> > value
> > > > >from one
> > > > > > > > >country and its transportation into another.  Loss of
> > > national
> > > > > > > > >sovereignty is incidental to it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I wouldn't call the relationship between corporations
>in
> > > the
> > > > >U.S. and
> > > > > > > > >the black ghettos "imperialist."  I read Fanon's book
> > and
> > > Huey
> > > > > > > > >Newton's interpretation of it.  I mean, you can say
>that
> > if
> > > > >you like,
> > > > > > > > >but it's not very meaningful.  Manufacture and
> > > > >industrialization has
> > > > > > > > >long-since left the cities for the most part.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >What do you want to say?  Corporations like J&J are
> > > stealing
> > > > >national
> > > > > > > > >resources from blacks?  Fine, say J&J steals labor
>power.
> > > > >I'll agree
> > > > > > > > >to that.  But they don't just do it blacks.  That's a
> > class
> > > > >question,
> > > > > > > > >not a race question.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you have no national relation to sanford st.
>however
> > > > >democracy
> > > > > > > > >means those
> > > > > > > > > > oppressed nationalities ghetto-ized into sanford st
>&
> > > the
> > > > >US urban
> > > > > > > > >centers,
> > > > > > > > > > and Black Belt South & Chicano SW & Akwasasne
>Nations
> > > have
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >right to
> > > > > > > > > > politically & economically control those areas in
> > which
> > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > plurality. to determine their relationship to the
>US,
> > > which
> > > > >they
> > > > > > > > >have never
> > > > > > > > > > done. thru, at minimum, a national plebiscite of
>all
> > > Black
> > > > >peoples
> > > > > > > > >in US.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Alright.  So you're talking about political control at
> > the
> > > > >grassroots
> > > > > > > > >level.  I can agree with that too.  But on the basis of
> > > > >*race*?  Why?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Do you extend this right to all local groups that
> > identify
> > > > >themselves
> > > > > > > > >as a "nation"?  Let's say the dingbats (to use your
> > > brother's
> > > > >word)
> > > > > > > > >out in Kansas who voted to have Jesus in the classroom
> > > want to
> > > > >form
> > > > > > > > >their own nation out there and do hell only knows what.
> > > > >Should they
> > > > > > > > >be allowed to?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Historically speaking, the move toward that kind of
>local
> > > > >government
> > > > > > > > >(returning rights to the states, to municipalities,
>what
> > > have
> > > > >you)
> > > > > > > > >has always been more regressive than progressive.  Say
> > what
> > > > >you will
> > > > > > > > >about the United States federal government, but at
>least
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >enforced desegregation in schools in the south.  More
> > than
> > > > >what the
> > > > > > > > >state governments would have done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >For that matter, why do you want to divide the working
> > > class
> > > > >along
> > > > > > > > >race and "cultural" lines.  The idea that a certain
> > people
> > > are
> > > > >unique
> > > > > > > > >based strictly upon their connection to some kind of
> > > cultural
> > > > > > > > >heritage or land, something that that *outsiders*
>cannot
> > > > >understand,
> > > > > > > > >sounds a lot of like fascism.  The cultural identity
> > > garbage
> > > > >is what
> > > > > > > > >every totalitarian dictator from Mussollini to Idi
>Amin
> > > spouts
> > > > >before
> > > > > > > > >sending people to the camps.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Look.  Are you a Marxist, or are you a communitarian?
> > > Let's
> > > > >be real.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you should develop a community consciousness at
> > sanford
> > > st
> > > > >& demand
> > > > > > > > > > community self-determination against j&j
>dictatorship,
> > > > >which is the
> > > > > > > > >heart of
> > > > > > > > > > the demand "community control". not "work with j&j
>to
> > > solve
> > > > > > > > >problems".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >J&J will just go somewhere else, then.  They'll go to a
> > > > >community
> > > > > > > > >where people don't have power, and they'll exploit
> > there.
> > > Or
> > > > >better
> > > > > > > > >yet, they'll just leave the country.  What good is
>your
> > > self-
> > > > > > > > >determination, then?  That's why you need to have an
> > > > >international
> > > > > > > > >movement that unites the working class across all
> > lines.
> > > Class
> > > > > > > > >alignment has to be first.  Once we defeat
>imperialism,
> > > then
> > > > >we can
> > > > > > > > >talk about all the nice culture stuff.  Until then, we
> > need
> > > > >something
> > > > > > > > >concrete to unite on, and that is the mutual interest
>of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > >proletariat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > you must recognize the overthrow of Reconstruction
>by
> > > > >fascist
> > > > > > > > >terror. the
> > > > > > > > > > "modernist" industrialist sell-out of the 1876
>hayes-
> > > tilden
> > > > > > > > >scheme.  where
> > > > > > > > > > is the 40acres & mule?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Yep.  Overthrow of reconstruction was none other than
>the
> > > > >return of
> > > > > > > > >power to the states.  Putting power in the hands of the
> > > > >southern
> > > > > > > > >cracker who is about as modern flint knife.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Face it.  If the United States government had enforced
> > > > >Reconstruction
> > > > > > > > >by allowing the slaves to be armed and backed by the
>U.S.
> > > > >army, that
> > > > > > > > >would have afforded them real local control and self-
> > > > >determination.
> > > > > > > > >Instead they passed it off for the states to decide
>who
> > > could
> > > > >have
> > > > > > > > >guns, who could run for state legislature, etc.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >How the hell are you going to enforce democracy if you
> > > don't
> > > > > > > > >institutionalize it and back it up with some kind of
> > > federal
> > > > >force?
> > > > > > > > >What good is freedom if people can decide to throw it
> > away
> > > > >because it
> > > > > > > > >does not blend well with their "cultural" conception?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Screw that.  We have to move forward, not back.  The
> > line
> > > is
> > > > >drawn
> > > > > > > > >between the people who produce value, and those to
>reap
> > the
> > > > >harvest.
> > > > > > > > >Not between black or white or geographical location.
> > > Progress
> > > > > > > > >requires an ideological and political unity of the
>part
> > of
> > > > >human-kind
> > > > > > > > >that embodies the potential for freedom, and that is
>the
> > > > > > > > >proletariat.  Period.  If you want real democracy and
> > real
> > > > >political
> > > > > > > > >freedom, concretely, that's how you go about it.  You
> > > forget
> > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >the "religious" differences.  Save religion for
>history
> > > class
> > > > >about
> > > > > > > > >the middle ages.  Forget about color differences,
> > because
> > > the
> > > > >idea
> > > > > > > > >that people are different based upon "race" is exactly
> > the
> > > > >idea we
> > > > > > > > >want to get rid of.  It is, as you would say, part of
>the
> > > > > > > > >superstructure.  And forget about the feeling of being
>a
> > > part
> > > > >of
> > > > > > > > >the "land", like you're a German peasant or something.
> > > > >Because you
> > > > > > > > >better have a way of uniting the "black nation" once
> > > > >redevelopment
> > > > > > > > >and revitalization pushes them out of the cities into
> > > enclaves
> > > > >in the
> > > > > > > > >suburbs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >We have to find more reasons to unite and attack the
> > power
> > > of
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > > >bourgeoisie together.  How do you propose to do that by
> > > > >balkanizing
> > > > > > > > >the United States?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Black America thoroughly meets the definition of
> > nation:
> > > > >common
> > > > > > > > >geographic
> > > > > > > > > > area, culture, history, developed economy, as put
> > > forward
> > > > >first by
> > > > > > > > >Joe
> > > > > > > > > > Stalin, the great defender of oppressed nations.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Oh irony.  You know, it always kills me when I think
> > about
> > > how
> > > > >Joe
> > > > > > > > >Stalin wrote that paper on national self-determination
> > for
> > > > >Lenin, and
> > > > > > > > >how he went and created an imperialist empire of
> > satellites
> > > > >after the
> > > > > > > > >war.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for women against
> > > > >patriarchy!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations for workers against
> > > > >capital!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > people vs. imperialism
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
> > > > > > > > > > >Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 22:26:57 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Self-determination is a basic democratic right?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >So if I want to break off and form a country out of
> > > > >Sandford St.
> > > > > > > > >down
> > > > > > > > > > >here, that's ok?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >Make it more clear to me what you mean by self-
> > > > >determination.  I'm
> > > > > > > > > > >not following.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >I'm down with basic democratic rights.  Hell, I'm
> > down
> > > > >with radical
> > > > > > > > > > >democratic rights, nevermind the basic ones.  But
> > > where do
> > > > >you get
> > > > > > > > > > >reparations out of this?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >And show me how rejecting national self-
> > determination
> > > and
> > > > > > > > >reparations
> > > > > > > > > > >makes me an advocate of imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "cliff smith"
> > > > ><cliffsmith69@h...>
> > > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > self-determination & reparations are basic
> > > democratic
> > > > >rights and
> > > > > > > > > > >the only
> > > > > > > > > > > > "concrete" political basis for national
>equality.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > to oppose this is to join imperialist politics.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > scratch a social democrat, find a white
> > supremacist.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> > > > >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:53 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >As a member of the New Brunswick People's
> > > Campaign, I
> > > > >am not
> > > > > > > > > > >convinced
> > > > > > > > > > > > >of the benefit of reparations for slavery.
>That
> > > is, I
> > > > >have not
> > > > > > > > > > >heard
> > > > > > > > > > > > >a convincing argument in favor of it, and the
> > only
> > > > >arguments I
> > > > > > > > >can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >think of in favor of it can be beaten by
> > arguments
> > > > >against it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >The New Brunswick People's Campaign never
>voted
> > on
> > > a
> > > > >statement
> > > > > > > > > > >about
> > > > > > > > > > > > >reparations or national self-determination.
>If
> > the
> > > > >debate came
> > > > > > > > > > >up, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > >would be against both of those lines.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >As an advocate of concrete political
>radicalism,
> > I
> > > > >cannot
> > > > > > > > >condone
> > > > > > > > > > > > >national self-determination, especially not for
> > > > >the "black
> > > > > > > > > > >nation."  I
> > > > > > > > > > > > >reject this thesis, and if the Campaign
>endorsed
> > > self-
> > > > > > > > >determination
> > > > > > > > > > > > >for the black nation, I would engage in heated
> > > debate
> > > > >over the
> > > > > > > > > > >issue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >In no case do I expect the New Brunswick
>People's
> > > > >Campaign or
> > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >members in it to share all of my opinions.
> > Since
> > > we
> > > > >have
> > > > > > > > >never had
> > > > > > > > > > > > >the discussion in any public meeting, why do
>you
> > > think
> > > > >it
> > > > > > > > >belongs
> > > > > > > > > > >in a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >press statement on police brutality, something
> > we
> > > are
> > > > >against
> > > > > > > > >in
> > > > > > > > > > >both
> > > > > > > > > > > > >theory and practice?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Jim
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith"
> > > > ><can_bush@h...>
> > > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reperation and Self-Determination for the
> > Black
> > > > >Nation!??
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Groovemeister007@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: [nbpc] NBPC'S STATEMENT ON JUSTICE
> > > > >VERNIERO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:27:36 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                           NEW BRUNSWICK
> > > PEOPLE'S
> > > > > > > > >CAMPAIGN
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                           Press Secretary
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >                           P.O. Box 131?
>New
> > > > >Brunswick,
> > > > > > > > >NJ 08903
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >? 732/735-1342
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK CITIZEN GROUP JOINS CALLS FOR
> > > > >VERNIERO'S
> > > > > > > > >OUSTER
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NEW BRUNSWICK,  April 5, 2001 -- The New
> > > Brunswick
> > > > >People's
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Campaign,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >a broad-based coalition of New Brunswick
> > > residents
> > > > >and
> > > > > > > > >their
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >supporters, which includes local residents
> > > from all
> > > > > > > > > > >nationalities
> > > > > > > > > > > > >and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >socioeconomic groups, issued the following
> > > > >statement today:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign
>(NBPC)
> > > > >warmly
> > > > > > > > >welcomes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the news that the Judiciary Committee of
>the
> > > New
> > > > >Jersey
> > > > > > > > >State
> > > > > > > > > > > > >Senate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is calling for the resignation of Supreme
> > Court
> > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > >Peter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   Any police officer who engages in racial
> > > > >profiling and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >brutality against and mistreatment of
>people
> > of
> > > > >color,
> > > > > > > > >commits
> > > > > > > > > > >a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >crime.  Such hate crimes must be addressed
>by
> > > > >swift and
> > > > > > > > >severe
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >punishment of those who commit them and
>their
> > > > >superiors who
> > > > > > > > > > >turn a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >blind eye to such acts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The removal of Justice Verniero would be
> > > > >consistent
> > > > > > > > >with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >those principles.  Testimony before the
> > Senate
> > > > >Judiciary
> > > > > > > > > > >Committee
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >has amply demonstrated, to the NBPC's
> > > > >satisfaction, that
> > > > > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero had actual knowledge of racial
> > > profiling
> > > > >in the
> > > > > > > > >state
> > > > > > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and that he failed to take steps to stop
>this
> > > > >hateful
> > > > > > > > >practice.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The New Brunswick People's Campaign
> > further
> > > > >calls
> > > > > > > > >upon the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >New Brunswick City Council to pass a
> > resolution
> > > > >calling for
> > > > > > > > > > >Justice
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Verniero's resignation, just as the
> > bipartisan
> > > > >group of
> > > > > > > > > > >senators
> > > > > > > > > > > > >from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the Senate Judiciary Committee have done.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   In light of the facts that have, at
>long
> > > last,
> > > > >been
> > > > > > > > >revealed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >to the public through the Senate Judiciary
> > > > >Committee's
> > > > > > > > > > >hearings,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >need for community control over police is
> > now
> > > more
> > > > >acute
> > > > > > > > >than
> > > > > > > > > > >ever.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >NBPC supports community control over
>police,
> > > and
> > > > >believes
> > > > > > > > >that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >community control, including
>democratically
> > > elected
> > > > > > > > >civilian
> > > > > > > > > > >police
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >review boards, will help bring a swift end
> > to
> > > the
> > > > >hate
> > > > > > > > >crimes
> > > > > > > > > > >of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >racial profiling and mistreatment of
>people
> > of
> > > > >color.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   The minority caucus of the State
> > > Legislature is
> > > > > > > > >already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >advancing such proposals.  We urge all
> > > > >legislators, if
> > > > > > > > >they are
> > > > > > > > > > > > >good
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >conscience, to support these efforts.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > Coiley -
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Platform Committee Recommendations to the CFJ  re upcoming Sat Meeting
4-21-2001

We have at least 2 main responsibilities:
A. Build the case for the 9 Demands as they have been stated publicly and
discussed in the media. By build is meant detail of rationale, specifics of
structure, and defining more exactly what we mean -- all of this so that the
CFJ `negotiating' team has as much pertinent information as possible to make
the case for each demand.
B. Where possible for the May 16th March/Protest, restate our 9 Demands and
expand them without losing the essential demands'  focus -- for example
including Cliff's stated Point 1 as part of Demand 4; Cliff's point 2 as an
element under Demand 2 and Demand 3 for pursuit by the Independent
Prosecutor as we expand the definition of `racial' profiling to mean any
kind of prejudicial profiling.

Expanding on our committee responsibilities, please give me your thoughts on
the following:

A. Demand 1 -- Are we in agreement with the structure and powers of the
proposed independent civilian-controlled police control board? You have the
essentials in the packet I gave out Sat 4-14-01. If you want the entire
beast let me know and I'll email the 30+ pages to you. Cliff, your
recommendation for residency requirements is a good one which we should ask
the CFJ to push as we push for the CCPCB -- and it doesn't have to wait on
the CCPCB struggle. Perhaps it fits logically under Demand 8  -- Hiring of
more minority officers; also your other part of comment 3 falls within the
essentials of the CCPCB proposal.
A. Demand 2 -- Independent Prosecutor -- To be either popularly elected
ASAP, or selected by lottery from four candidates selected one each from the
ACLU-NJ, NAACP-NJ, NJ Bar Assn, and the Urban League. These are highly
respected, national type organizations (every state has their own bar
association --- perhaps we need a state-wide Hispanic-representing
organization to offer a candidate prosecutor?
A. Demand 3 -- Legislation re racial profiling to be expanded to prejudicial
profiling as I defined in one of Sat's handouts. If you want to improve the
definition of prejudicial profiling let me know. The basic idea is that no
one should be treated unfairly for any reason or nonreason. Justification
for detrimental treatment must be obvious.
A. Demand 4 -- Reopening of police brutality cases -- we need to raise the
question to the CFJ if we mean the ca. 30 people who have been KILLED by
police in NJ during the past 10 years under `suspicious' circumstances -
about 27 cases of which are briefly documented in the book `Stolen Lives.'
How about the perhaps hundreds of cases of police brutality that did not
result in death of the victim? Do we demand that all of these cases be
reopened --- and reopened by the Indep Prosecutor?
I say YES! If you agree, someone will need to survey the NJ populace and
really interview/document those who have been PHYSICALLY injured, as
starters. Those who have been insulted via prejudicial profiling is another
massive endeavor. Do we recommend this to the CFJ for longer term followup?
A, Demand 5 -- Verniero et al we've covered. For the first round of Demands
I recommend that we include Poritz and Whitman. The Independent Prosecutor
should be pressed to pursue the entire StatePolice chain-of-command involved
in this highway racial profiling [civil rights + violations]. Longer term,
pursue this same issue in local police agencies.
A. Demand 6 -- Hogan and Kenna . This is clear and specific
A. Demand 7 -- Racial bias and BRUTALITY history/tendency testing. Was
candidate a high school bully; does the candidate have a history of
torturing or killing animals, abusing others?
A. Demand 8 and 9 -- Hiring and promoting of more minority officers. We need
to demand objective standards for promotion set by an `outside' auditing
board that will provide continuing oversight of the processes of hiring and
promotion evaluation.
If the standards and implementation are fair, the selection process should
be based simply on merit. As with medical personnel, we want the best for
these life-and-death decisions selected on the basis of competence. Lemme
know if you disagree.

B. Longer term -- Items 4 (direct elections), 5 (reparations), 7 and 8 of
Cliff's notes need to be presented to the CFJ for consideration and
prioritization assuming the CFJ will expand its social-economic-political
thrust.Each of these pusuits will call for dynamic committees and liason
with existing organizations. Item 6 in Cliff's notes I personally still
can't agree with -- it's too broad brush for me especially since I don't
know if there are decent Republicans in the legislature like Gormley
perhaps. I suggest we attack the issues and support those who we as
individuals feel are worthy of our vote -- as an organization we should not
endorse or oppose a party. Let's educate the populace objectively and
PASSIONATELY and have faith that they'll vote for justice. I fully support a
presentation by Cliff or anyone to the CFJ of differing views.

In addition, we need to add to our list of possible suggestions to the CFJ
for After-May 16 consideration --

-- Death Penalty moratorium and elimination
-- Essential health and civil rights for prisoners, including review of NJ
prison labor procedures, parole for non-violent prisoners, job training and
employment assistance for parolees -- and all indigent so that they do not
have to go to prison to obtain necessary education and employment
assistance.
-- A Freedom of Information Act worthy of the name. This would help prevent
a lot of corrupt practices. Belive it or not, Florida has a highly reputed
FOIA. We could readily get guidance from the ACLU and the existing NJ bill
on this subject.
-- Welfare -- the Clinton Welfare DEFORM Act of 1996 is wreaking havoc among
much of the chronically poor. Infant mortality, INFANTICIDE BY GOVERNMENT
EDICT AND NEGLECT, has risen. The crunch will become even more severe in the
next 2 years as the 5 year lifetime limit on welfare occurs for many poor
families. What then for these folks? Particularly given the economic
downturn which will mean reduced welfare possibilities for the neediest.
What's our plan to protect the present and soon to be helpless?
-- Living Wage not Minimum Wage -- You'll see info on this in the packet I
gave at last Sat's meeting.

Who wants to speak to the CFJ group on what subjects? I believe I can handle
Demands 1 and 2 -- CCPCB and Independent Prosecutor and perhaps anything
else that no one else picks. Please feel free to add comments AFTER the
presenter's comments.Summarize your recommendations and rationales for CFJ
action. We may be lucky to get 5 minutes per subject. At this point we want
to elicit comments and ideas in addition to our own, and come back on the
April 28 with a better consensus set of short and long term positions and
plans.

Let us all know what you all think, ASAP. Think or Sink!

Blessings.
Howard


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> Date:  Sun Apr 15, 2001 7:09pm
>                  Subject:  platform committee discussion
>                            coalition for justice
>                            march on trenton, may 16
>
>                  the meeting of the platform committee, sunday 1pm, new
> brunswick, centered around developing and expanding the scope of the March
> platform  , its program and demands, in order to strengthen our base,
build
> broader unity, reflect developments in the campaign, and better address
the
> issues within their national & historic context.
>
>                  our general agreements were that a "broad, not narrow"
> vision would better organize our different communities toward the
necessary
> elimination of police abuses, rather than merely replacing this or that
> figurehead.
>
>                  further, that we need to address our issues in how they
> exist in political reality, and finally, on what happens to our developing
> movement beyond the march.
>
>                  1. the call for verniero's immediate removal must be
> expanded to demand the sworn-in investigation of former gov. whitman,
former
> ag poritz, and  the entire hierarchy of the state police.  these people
all
> were involved in the policy of profiling & abuse, and its cover-up.
>
>                  2. the issue of police abuses of women must be prominent
in
> our program.  this is a well-documented trend in nj, but has been
> conspicuously absent from any outcry.  we point to repeated instances of
> sexual harrassment/assault in police stops, police involvement in
> prostitution/sex-slavery, police violence toward their domestic partners,
> and harrassment/abuse of female police including female troopers.
>
>                  3. the "review board w/ subpoena & disciplinary powers"
is
> better named an elected, civilian, police-control board.  the point is, do
> the police control the community, or does the community control the
police?
> only by placing the police under direct control of the community (not
merely
> review!), will abuses be eliminated.
>
>                  further, there must be residency requirements and open
> files on all police officers.
>
>                  4. the question of community control and democracy also
> must include the direct election (& immediate recall) of all state
officials
> with positions of authority.  including judges, prosecutors, & police
> chiefs.  if we could vote verniero out, we wouldn't be caught in a
> republican legislative obstacle course.
>
>                  5. we must understand, and state openly, that police
abuses
> are a result of social inequalities.  that no amount of reform within the
> police will eliminate abuses if general social inequality continues.  that
> is, e.g., street crime is a product of poverty & oppression.  until these
> conditions are eliminated, police will always "profile" "criminals", while
> claiming to protect & serve.
>
>                     we must put forward the democratic calls for
reparations
> and self-determination for all oppressed peoples.  in this way to
eliminate
> social inequality, and with it, social abuses.  one
> practical example would be free education for all blacks,  latinos,
> and women in new jersey.
>
>                  6. that our program must openly target the republican
party
> as the most dangerous, most aggressive advocate of profiling & police
abuse.
> these actions are most openly encouraged by republican party operatives
and
> policies.  whitman got promoted after(!) being exposed in profiling
> "pat-down" (or was that her initiation?).  we must defeat defransesco in
> november and all republicans!
>
>                  7. that francis lawrence, president of the state
university
> (rutgers) must be removed for classifying black people as "genetically
> inferior".  this anti-scientific, backward claim, by the head of the
state's
> highest, public, educational institution provided ideological support, a
> lynch-mentality, for any racist thug cop.
>
>                  8. that after the march we must meet immediately to
assess
> our successes & failures, criticize our errors, and learn lessons to build
> on.  we should seek to unite our forces with all progressive forces in nj
> toward building a broad, democratic, peoples' united front to fight all
> social problems toward building a peoples' democratic workers' party.
>
>                     And finally, that we should plan to hold a
> conference/summit in the fall, before the election, to develop and advance
> our organization.
>
>                  we welcome all criticisms, suggestions, concerns, &tc.
> toward this.
>
>                  defeat racist/sexist profiling & police abuse!
>
>                  cliff smith
>                  platform committee
>                  732.214.8828
>                  cliffsmith69@...
>
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Joe makes a very good argument here for joining forces around the elected 
school board question.  I would only add two points:
1. Along with mobilizing the youth, it is essential to make inroads with the 
teachers and staff workers within the school system.  It seems that this has 
consistantly been this campaign's weekest link.
2. Don't underestimate the city's determination and ability to fight the 
referendum, regardless of common push for McGreesy...that's what their 
'independant' Committee to Keep (People's) Politics out of Our Schools is 
for.


----Original Message Follows----
From: "joseph smith"
Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:24 -0400
to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...
the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01,
specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?
1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an
elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community
control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that goal
given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and
therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community
control.
2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united
fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything
forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.
3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new brunswick
ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed school
board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in
our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the eyes
of its supporters.
4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our
campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the
ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth
down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain
one - vote yes elected school board
two - vote mcgreasy
the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote
mcgreasy.
II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his
campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
(nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford
to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the
campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city
council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the
community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the
way to build.
IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!
5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their
schools.
6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in
the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a week
beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from nbpc
get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a
week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and
addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we registered
to vote last year (these
would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)
7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
not work on it....
joe smith
>From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To: 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com 
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination Date: Mon, 16 Apr 
>2001 21:39:25 -0000
>
>(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
>
>Joe:
>
>I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka poem. 
>However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of bigotry. Do 
>you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are valid? Do you 
>think Jim's comments are justified?
>
>As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the 
>housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written resolution to 
>urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at the next NBHA 
>meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to vote against the 
>monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with regard to its 
>contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of Republicans, I do not view 
>Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" [sic] or an enemy of public 
>housing residents.
>
>Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of the 
>elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your views of the 
>question of why it should be run again in 2001, specifically addressing it 
>in the context of the 2000 campaign. Also, what are your views on whether a 
>referendum for a ward-based instead of at-large council should be run in 
>2001, in addition to or instead of the elected school board question.
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" wrote: > i did not post the 
>poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of > the campaign, i 
>would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely > outraged" that 
>bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of > public 
>housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather > than 
>being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are our > enemies? 
>nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public > housing. 
>under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the > democratic 
>machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine. > > i can't 
>relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less > about the 
>people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic > 
>community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the > 
>elected school board campaign april 28. > > joe > > 
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Jim,

thanks for the clarification.  I try (sometimes successfully, 
sometimes not) to criticize ideas and not the individual advancing 
them; sort of 'hate the sin, not the sinner' as it were.  I certainly 
don't think you are bigoted in any way; I was just concerned about 
the tone of that particular post.  While I believe that faith has its 
place in human existence, I understand where you're coming from in 
your views.  

I very much apologize if I came on too strong in replying to it.

In unity,

Flavio


--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >From: jmluceno@e...
> >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> >Subject: [nbpc] Bigoted?
> >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:35:59 -0000
> >
> >Bigotry?  That's a tall accusation.
> >
> >1) I didn't say Christians are weak.  Look again.  I said "or";
> >not "and."  Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians 
are
> >weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list?
> >Derrrrr.
> >
> >2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's
> >adherents are out of touch with reality.  Please read section X of
> >David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding."  The 
part "On
> >Miracles."  Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with.  
I'm
> >tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a
> >certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable in
> >any way shape or form.
> >
> >3) This is not the campaign list anymore.  If you must criticize 
me,
> >do so.  But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign or
> >saying something that the campaign "is not about."
> >
> >4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry?  Call it what it is.
> >RACIST.
> >
> >5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted.  I wholeheartedly apologize
> >for my message, because it was confusing.  I was just making a 
point
> >that you have to argue for an opinion.  None of us should be in the
> >habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone.  I for one have
> >not been convinced of the argument for reparations.  Come to think 
of
> >it, neither have most black people or members of the working class,
> >evidentally.  I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them.  
Maybe
> >the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they disagree
> >with BOL on this issue.  Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are
> >Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact.  Maybe like Spanish
> >Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the 
heathen
> >world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and 
the
> >Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self-
> >Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial
> >power).
> >
> >6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"?  Why not Slim
> >Jim?  That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim.  And,
> >like, my name is Jim too!! :D  Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM 
LUCENO,
> >DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT?  You know, you really hold back
> >too much with your polemics.  You should allow yourself some
> >catharsis.  Let some of that anger out.  You're so darn reserved!
> >
> >Jim
> >

Hey, it's alright. I too recognize the need to kick a little ass
sometimes.  After writing the original post, I kind of expected that
sort of response from at least one person.

Speaking of which, good show at last night's city council meeting. 
You made them look like monkeys.  You had the pissed-off-Italian-dad
thing going there, too, which was a nice touch.

Jim  

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., Groovemeister007@y... wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> thanks for the clarification.  I try (sometimes successfully, 
> sometimes not) to criticize ideas and not the individual advancing 
> them; sort of 'hate the sin, not the sinner' as it were.  I
certainly 
> don't think you are bigoted in any way; I was just concerned about 
> the tone of that particular post.  While I believe that faith has
its 
> place in human existence, I understand where you're coming from in 
> your views.  
> 
> I very much apologize if I came on too strong in replying to it.
> 
> In unity,
> 
> Flavio
> 
> 
> --- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: jmluceno@e...
> > >Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >To: nbpeoplescampaign@y...
> > >Subject: [nbpc] Bigoted?
> > >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:35:59 -0000
> > >
> > >Bigotry?  That's a tall accusation.
> > >
> > >1) I didn't say Christians are weak.  Look again.  I said "or";
> > >not "and."  Do you think I'm stupid enough to a) think Christians 
> are
> > >weak, and/or b) say it on a politically correct mailing list?
> > >Derrrrr.
> > >
> > >2) I do think Christianity is pre-modern, and I do think it's
> > >adherents are out of touch with reality.  Please read section X
of
> > >David Hume's "Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding."  The 
> part "On
> > >Miracles."  Probably the only thing he wrote that I agree with.  
> I'm
> > >tolerant to an extent, but I'm not going to make believe that a
> > >certain belief is reasonable when it clearly is *not* reasonable
in
> > >any way shape or form.
> > >
> > >3) This is not the campaign list anymore.  If you must criticize 
> me,
> > >do so.  But don't criticize me for not representing the campaign
or
> > >saying something that the campaign "is not about."
> > >
> > >4) To Matt Smith -- "nationalist" poetry?  Call it what it is.
> > >RACIST.
> > >
> > >5) To all -- I'm not racist or bigoted.  I wholeheartedly
apologize
> > >for my message, because it was confusing.  I was just making a 
> point
> > >that you have to argue for an opinion.  None of us should be in
the
> > >habit of accepting premises based upon faith alone.  I for one
have
> > >not been convinced of the argument for reparations.  Come to
think 
> of
> > >it, neither have most black people or members of the working
class,
> > >evidentally.  I wonder how Cliff, Joe, and co. deal with them.  
> Maybe
> > >the working class are Klan Imperialists too, because they
disagree
> > >with BOL on this issue.  Maybe everyone besides Cliff and Joe are
> > >Klan Imperialists as a matter of fact.  Maybe like Spanish
> > >Conquistadors, they believe it is their mission to smite the 
> heathen
> > >world in the name of the the Father (Marx), the Son (Lenin), and 
> the
> > >Holy Ghost (Stalin -- author of a tract on National Self-
> > >Determination, Ironically the man who made the USSR an imperial
> > >power).
> > >
> > >6) To Cliff -- Why it gotta be "Narrow Jim Low-ceno"?  Why not
Slim
> > >Jim?  That's funnier, because, heh, I'm actually kinda slim. 
And,
> > >like, my name is Jim too!! :D  Or how about SS-OBERFUHRER JIM 
> LUCENO,
> > >DIVISION OF RACE AND RESETTLEMENT?  You know, you really hold
back
> > >too much with your polemics.  You should allow yourself some
> > >catharsis.  Let some of that anger out.  You're so darn reserved!
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >

to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...

the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01, 
specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?

1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an 
elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community 
control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that goal 
given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and 
therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community 
control.

2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united 
fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything 
forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.

3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new brunswick 
ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed school 
board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in 
our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the eyes 
of its supporters.

4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our 
campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the 
ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth 
down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
  I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain       
one - vote yes elected school board
    two - vote mcgreasy
    the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote        
mcgreasy.
  II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
      we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
      governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his          
campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
      energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
      (nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
      state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
      board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford        
to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the             
campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
  III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
       council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
       it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
       city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
       be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city        
council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the             
community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the        way to 
build.
  IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
      democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
      school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
      will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!

5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their 
schools.

6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in 
the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a week 
beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from nbpc 
get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a 
week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and 
addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we registered 
to vote last year (these
would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)

7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
not work on it....


joe smith

>From: Groovemeister007@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination
>Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:39:25 -0000
>
>(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
>
>Joe:
>
>I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka
>poem.  However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of
>bigotry.  Do you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are
>valid?  Do you think Jim's comments are justified?
>
>As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
>housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written
>resolution to urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at
>the next NBHA meeting.  What's more, he was the only commissioner to
>vote against the monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with
>regard to its contracts with TCB.  Whatever I may think of
>Republicans, I do not view Frank's work as the actions of a "theif"
>[sic] or an enemy of public housing residents.
>
>Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of
>the elected school board campaign.  I am interested in hearing your
>views of the question of why it should be run again in 2001,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the 2000 campaign.
>Also, what are your views on whether a referendum for a ward-based
>instead of at-large council should be run in 2001, in addition to or
>instead of the elected school board question.
>
>
>--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" <can_bush@h...> wrote:
> > i did not post the poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the
>spirit of
> > the campaign, i would like an explaination as to why you are
>not "entirely
> > outraged" that bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the
>people of
> > public housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him,
>rather
> > than being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who  are
>our
> > enemies? nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of
>public
> > housing. under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize
>the
> > democratic machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican
>machine.
> >
> > i can't relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care
>less
> > about the people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for
>democratic
> > community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work
>on the
> > elected school board campaign april 28.
> >
> > joe
> >
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ALERT!

Last night I heard of a Memorial Homes tenant who has chldren in last year of N.B. High School and in Technology & Science High School. With a record of more than ten years of conswcutive service with the same company and living within walking distance of her workplace, this tenant has been offered relocation in Bound Brook and Plainfield. I believe that the tenants who are facing eviction need three and four bedroom apartments which are not available in the traditional areas where "these people" are relocated. I believe that she will be at the next Housing Authority meeting Wednesday. If this tenant decides to "go public" we should pack that meeting to show solidarity.

I will keep you informed.

JoeMosley


----- Original Message -----
From: Anne Barron
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:08 AM
To: NB_CC_TF@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [NB_CC_TF] Fwd: [CoalitionOPRA] Public Housing + NBHA


Hi, all

reminder our next meeting is next Tuesday, 6:30 @ 116
Livingston Ave (I think).

some of you have been following what New Brunswick
Housing Authority is doing regarding replacement homes
for Memorial Homes.  They have hired a private company
(The Community Builders, Inc.) to build homes in
NB...they have given land worth over $4mil and a HUD
loan over $1.6 mil to the developer to build homes
(not all the homes will be affordable housing) but the
contract NBHA signed has no clause to stop the deal if
the developer fails to build the small number of homes
they are supposed to.

also-no money is set aside for some sort of community
center tho' I think I heard that there would be a
private community room.

apparently, the private company told the public that
the records/documents relating to this development are
private as well.  this goes against the Open Public
Records Act, which states that records dealing w/
public monies must be open to the public.

following is the advice from a member of NJ Foundation
for Open Government regarding the rights of the public
to documents from this developer.

see you
Anne
Note: forwarded message attached.


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COME HEAR THE VOICE OF TRUTH.
MINISTER TRACY FORD, RADICAL REPUBLICAN REVOLUTIONARY, OF MOUNT CALVARY
BAPTIST CHURCH
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AT TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH
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7:00PM, MONDAY, APRIL 23, 2001

Dear cliff and Howard,

Sorry this is so late. Being somewhat burnt out at work has exacerbated my 
occasional tendency to procrastinate. I found both of your e-mails to be 
helpful in summarizing our discussion. The attached, which I will bring with 
me, is intended as a brief  summary of our approach, which I could hand out 
at the meeting this afternoon. Will try to be more timely in my responses in 
the future.

Jean


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>From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
>To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <cliffsmith69@...>
>Subject: Fw: [BRC-NEWS] The Case for Reparations
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:33:56 -0400
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua" <schajua@...>
>To: <brc-news@...>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:14 PM
>Subject: [BRC-NEWS] The Case for Reparations
>
>
> > April 9, 2001
> >
> > Slavery, Racist Violence, and Apartheid:
> > The Case for Reparations
> >
> > By Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua <schajua@...>
> >
> > I may state to all our friends, and to all our enemies, that
> > we has a right to the land where we are located. For why? I
> > tell you. Our wives, our children, our husbands, has been
> > sold over and over again to purchase the lands we now locate
> > upon; for that reason we have a divine right to the land.
> > And den didn't we clear the lands and raise the crops of
> > corn, ob cotton, ob tobacco, ob rice, ob sugar, ob
> > everything? And den didn't the large cities in de North grow
> > up on de cotton and de sugars and de rice dat we made? . . .
> > I say they have grown rich, and my people is poor.
> > --Bayley Wyatt, a freedman from Yorktown, Virginia in Roy
> >   Finkenbine (ed.), Sources of the African-American Past
> >   (London: Longman, 1993), p. 88.
> >
> >
> > Neoconservative activist David Horowitz's anti-reparations
> > advertisement has provoked a storm of controversy on college
> > campus from Maine to California. In the wake of multiracial
> > student protests, many university newspapers have rightfully
> > refused to run Horowitz's factually challenged ad. Despite
> > his intentions, David Horowitz has helped move the issue of
> > reparations for African Americans into the headlines and the
> > consciousness of the American public. Although mainstream
> > talk shows have merely provided Horowitz with a friendly
> > forum in which to reiterate his simplistic and contradictory
> > rant, his ad and appearances have reenergized student
> > activism.
> >
> >
> > Ten Reasons why African Americans Deserve Reparations
> >
> > To understand what's at stake requires we contextualize and
> > thoroughly analyze Horowitz's "Ten Reasons Why Reparations
> > for Blacks Are a Bad Idea for Blacks -- and Racist Too." It
> > was first published as part of The Death of the Civil Rights
> > Movement (Los Angeles: Center for the Study of Popular
> > Culture, 2000). Death is a diatribe against Rev. Al
> > Sharpton's "Redeem the Dream" March to end racial profiling.
> > Consequently, Death is a vociferous attack on Black
> > activists and a fevered defense of racial profiling. For
> > instance, Horowitz interprets Attorney Johnnie Cochran's
> > encouraging Blacks to join juries, as racist. Horowitz
> > snidely sums up Cochran's point as "Get it, Whitey?" (P. 9).
> > Knowing his audience facilitates unmasking his motivations.
> > Horowitz's purpose is to spark racial hostility, to mobilize
> > opposition to the elimination of discriminatory policies and
> > practices. Thus, "Ten Reasons" first appeared as part of a
> > pro-racial profiling pamphlet.
> >
> > Horowitz's real purpose is to promote the notion that race,
> > by which he means racism is dead. From this perverted
> > position, he logically concludes that contemporary Black
> > activism is unnecessary. Therefore, he portrays activists as
> > self-serving con artists and the African American people as
> > their dupes. In Horowitz's color-blind perspective, group
> > parity is irrelevant, because race is a fiction. He wants
> > the public to believe that because race is an unscientific
> > concept that it is also a non-existent social reality.
> > Horowitz is the ultimate wolf in sheep's clothing. He is the
> > prototypical color-blind liberal or neoconservative who
> > would abolish the race concept, that is all racial
> > classification; but would maintain the system and social
> > relations produced by racial oppression.
> >
> > As important, if not more so, is the moment during which
> > Horowitz escalated his anti-reparations assault. Over the
> > past few years, activists have pushed reparations to the
> > center of discourse in the African American community.
> > Moreover, it has recently burst into traditional politics.
> > Several city councils, including Chicago, Dallas, and
> > Detroit have passed pro-reparation resolutions. According to
> > Horowitz, he launched his latest salvo because reparations
> > "is fast becoming the next big `civil rights' thing" (p.
> > 30).
> >
> > Horowitz frames his anti-reparations argument in the form of
> > questions or assertions and responses. His opinions are
> > devoid of data and deficient in historical evidence. Because
> > they lack validity, his responses never rise to the level of
> > "answers." What are Horowitz's specific arguments against
> > African American reparations? The titles in the
> > advertisement often differ from those in Death. Whereas the
> > pamphlet targeted the racist right, the ad aimed for a mass
> > audience; thus, Horowitz sanitized it of its more explicitly
> > inflammatory titles. Consequently, because the titles in
> > Death are generally more revealing of his racist motivations
> > I have chosen to use them. Nevertheless, I engage his
> > responses in both Death and the advertisement.
> >
> >
> > 1. Who Owes the Debt?
> >
> > Horowitz claims "There is no single group clearly
> > responsible for the crime of slavery" because of African and
> > Arab involvement in the slave trade and 3,000 African
> > American slaveholders. The problems with his presentation
> > here pervades the rest of his discussion. This time his
> > information is generally accurate but stripped from its
> > socio-historical and legal context, and the power relations
> > of the slave(ry) trade its trivia, at best, and duplicitous,
> > at worst. That is, without the context we do not know what
> > this information means and when contextualized it generally
> > does not mean what Horowitz implies. Scholars of the slave
> > trade generally acknowledge the role of power relations as a
> > coercive factor stimulating African participation. As Walter
> > Rodney pointed out in his classic text, How Europe
> > Underdeveloped Africa, Europeans controlled the
> > international slave trade. Without excusing the role of
> > kings and other African elites, their involvement must be
> > understood in the context of actual power relations.
> >
> > Another example of how decontextualization distorts history
> > is his discussion of Black slaveholders. First, according to
> > census of 1830 there 3,777 Black slave owners, not 3,000 as
> > Horowitz states (Christian, 1999, p. 100). Amazingly, his
> > facts are wrong, even when they bolster his position!
> > Nevertheless, the existence of 3,777 Black slaveholders is
> > meaningless without knowing the total number of
> > slaveholders. In 1850 there were 348,000 slave holding
> > families (the Census Bureau collected the data on families,
> > not individuals). Thus, the three thousand seventy-seven
> > Black slaveholders comprised only about one percent of
> > slaveholding families! Second, African American slave owners
> > were a statistical reality that tells us nothing about
> > actual relationships. Although many Black slave owners held
> > others in bondage, that is they asserted rights of ownership
> > and exploited slave labor, most did not. Most so-called
> > Black slave owners are a statistical phenomenon. They were
> > people of some means who purchased family and friends from
> > bondage, but never imposed master-slave relationships.
> >
> > Even given the role of Africans, Arabs, and African
> > Americans Horowitz's conclusion is deceptive. He offers a
> > negative conclusion, "no single group is responsible"; yet,
> > this scenario cries out for a positive one, i.e., that
> > several groups were responsible. Moreover, the participation
> > of multiple ethnicities does not mean that all participated
> > or benefited equally. Furthermore, African Americans seek
> > recompense from the only governmental entity still in
> > existence the United States, their government.
> >
> >
> > 2. African Americans Have also Benefited from Slavery
> >
> > Horowitz makes two comparative claims here. First, he argues
> > that if the present wealth of the United States resulted
> > from slavery, than African Americans as well as whites are
> > beneficiaries of enslavement. Second, he offers an estimate
> > of the difference between African Americans' and Africans'
> > per capita incomes as evidence that African Americans
> > benefited from slavery.
> >
> > First, he proceeds as if wealth accumulation produces
> > positive impacts across society. This illogical argument
> > suggests that slaves of wealthy masters were better off than
> > the slaves of poor ones. Relationships of domination and
> > exploitation are parasitic, not mutually beneficial. That
> > is, the slave trade and slavery enriched European nation-
> > states and the U.S. (particularly the class of slaveholders,
> > slave trading merchants and manufacturers) but impoverished
> > Africans and African Americans. Horowitz can only make this
> > argument in the abstract. Actual data reveals that African
> > Americas' percentage of U.S. wealth has stayed roughly the
> > same, about one percent since the ante-bellum period.
> > Furthermore, he limits his discussion of "benefits" to a
> > narrow economic argument. Thus, he circumvents discussing
> > the effects of racial oppression, particularly racist
> > violence in producing stressors that undermine Blacks'
> > physical and psychological health.
> >
> > His second assertion is also ahistorical and represents a
> > false comparison. It is ahistorical because he ignores the
> > role of five centuries of slave trading and colonialism in
> > producing contemporary African poverty. Secondly, comparing
> > the per capita income of African Americans to various
> > African nationalities is spurious because of the vast
> > differences in the gross national product of African
> > nation-states and the U.S. This difference is largely the
> > consequence of the slave trade and colonialism.
> >
> >
> > 3. What About the Descendants of Union Soldiers Who Gave
> > Their Lives To Free the Slaves?
> >
> > Here Horowitz makes three assertions. First, he contends
> > only a minority of whites nationally owned slaves. Second,
> > he claims only one in five whites in the ante- bellum South
> > was a slaveholder. Third, he posits that 350,000 Union
> > soldiers "died in the war that freed the slaves" (p. 35).
> > His first claim is correct; nationally, only a minority of
> > U.S. families owned slaves. In 1790 23 percent of the U.S.
> > families owned slaves and only 10 percent in 1850. However,
> > his second claim is a blatant lie. In 1790 72 percent of
> > southern families owned slaves. In 1850, in the South
> > Atlantic and the East Central sub regions, 31 and 32 percent
> > of families owned slaves (Census Bureau, 1979, p. 12)
> >
> > In his third declaration, Horowitz deliberately misleads the
> > reader by blurring the issue. Three hundred fifty thousand
> > Union soldiers died in the Civil War and the war did
> > precipitate slavery's abolition, but it was not fought to
> > abolish slavery. The North fought to preserve the Union. It
> > only became a war to end slavery when Lincoln realized that
> > victory necessitated destroying the Confederacy's capacity
> > to wage war, that is removing its most productive resource,
> > Black slaves.
> >
> >
> > 4. Most Whites Have No Connection to Slavery
> >
> > Horowitz's main contention is that most contemporary U.S.
> > citizens do not have a "lineal connection to slavery" (p.
> > 35). His argument here is quite devious. First, he uses the
> > ambiguity inherent in term "lineal" to manipulate the
> > reader. Second, he cynically attempts to pit African
> > Americans against recent immigrants of color and other
> > oppressed ethnicities. Although Horowitz means a straight
> > line for many readers lineal suggests a heredity
> > relationship. Of course, most Americans are not biological
> > descendants of slaveholders, but all white Americans have
> > benefited from the legacy of racial oppression -- white
> > privilege and Black exploitation, exclusion and
> > subordination. Planters, small slaveholders, and capitalist
> > manufacturers, exporters, investors, and insurers of slave
> > produced products benefited from the exploitation of slave
> > labor. During the century from 1865 to 1965 the same groups,
> > plus industrial capitalists benefited from the
> > superexploitation of Black labor.
> >
> > Third, he limits reparations to compensation for slavery. It
> > is on this basis that he argues post-slavery immigrants are
> > not liable for reparations. Although post slavery European
> > immigrants were brutally exploited and endured ethnic
> > discrimination, like the Irish and Germans before them they
> > expressed their rage by replicating their treatment on
> > Blacks. Even so, by World War II the Italians, Hungarians
> > Greeks, and Poles had become "white" and have since enjoyed
> > the full benefits of whiteness in a white supremacist
> > country. Whether native or immigrant the vast majority of
> > white middle and working class Americans, have benefited
> > from the exclusion of Blacks from professional and civil
> > service jobs, unions, and governmental programs. For
> > instance, African Americans were denied the opportunity to
> > participate in the 1962 Homestead Act that transferred
> > hundreds of millions of acres to white citizens and European
> > immigrants. Additionally, Blacks were practically excluded
> > from the 1935 Social Security Act because almost all worked
> > as farm laborers or domestics. Furthermore, from the 1940s
> > to the early 1960s white homebuyers obtained low interest
> > Federal Housing Authority loans, a program from which Blacks
> > were excluded. Finally, as governmental data indicates
> > whites continue to benefit from racial discrimination in
> > employment, loans, housing, and healthcare. Consequently,
> > activists demand reparations not just for enslavement, but
> > for exclusion, discrimination, and the racial violence that
> > characterized the era of segregation as well for
> > contemporary disparities.
> >
> > Finally, his argument here implicitly his contradicts the
> > position presented in point two. There he argues that if the
> > United States' wealth was partly created by slave labor,
> > than African Americans, as inheritors of U.S. wealth, are
> > also beneficiaries of slave- produced wealth. If he were
> > right, wouldn't this situation also apply to all persons
> > living in the U.S., including white Americans?
> >
> >
> > 5. The Cases of Jewish and Japanese Reparations Are Not
> > Comparable And Therefore Do Not Provide Precedents
> >
> > Horowitz dismisses African Americans' reparation claims
> > because unlike Jews and Japanese-Americans, he contends
> > Blacks are not survivors of the wrongs for which they seek
> > retribution. He frames his argument in what legal scholar
> > Eric K. Yamamoto calls "traditional remedies law," which
> > seeks to identify specific individual victims and abusers
> > (Yamamoto, 1998, p. 488). However, Black demands for
> > reparations are based on group, not individual rights.
> >
> > From about 1641 to 1965, federal and state law classified
> > individuals by race and distinguished rights and
> > opportunities on that basis. Group membership, not
> > individual merit, determined one's role, position, and
> > status in the economy, polity, and civil society.
> > Individuals assigned to the African category were treated as
> > a separate and subordinate group.
> >
> > Moreover, since the establishment of the Indian Claims
> > Commission in 1946, the U.S. federal government and numerous
> > state governments have paid reparations to persons other
> > than survivors or their immediate descendants. During the
> > 1980s several Native American nations have received
> > reparations in form of money and land for actions a century
> > or more ago. For instance, in 1986 the Ottawas of Michigan
> > received $32 million based on an 1836 Treaty.
> >
> >
> > 6. What About Successful Blacks? What Is Their Economic
> > Grievance?
> >
> > Horowitz's major assertion is that slavery and subsequent
> > racial discrimination were either non-existent or have been
> > insufficient barriers to success. He make this point by
> > contrasting the Black middle class, which he claims composes
> > the majority of African Americans, and West Indian
> > immigrants to the so-called "underclass." Except the
> > disparities between African Americans' and West Indians'
> > incomes, his assertions are unsupported. Moreover, his logic
> > and conclusions are absurd.
> >
> > First, the minority of African Americans who attained middle
> > class position, have generally done so by taking advantage
> > of the fleeting opportunities available in the aftermath of
> > successful collective Black struggles. Members of those
> > classes best positioned previously have made the most
> > advances. Moreover, that members of the Black middle and
> > capitalist classes suffer racial discrimination is widely
> > documented in past and current employment, housing, and loan
> > discrimination suits. Horowitz's attempt to use Oprah
> > Winfrey and the few wealthy Blacks to shift attention from
> > racism to class is dishonest and malevolent. He alleges that
> > contemporary Black-white income disparities are the
> > consequence of "individual character" (p. 39). To blame most
> > Blacks for not surmounting racism is analogous to
> > questioning the character of victims of the holocaust
> > because a few Jews managed to escape! In addition to his
> > racism, Horowitz's central problem is his refusal to
> > recognize that social groups (racial, ethnic, gender, class,
> > etc.) are the organizing principle of human societies.
> >
> > If the question is historic group-based disparities, why
> > rely on income rather than wealth? The wealth index measures
> > accumulated assets over a lifetime, instead of one year's
> > monetary returns. Currently, the median net wealth of Black
> > households is about 12% that of whites; but only 1% if home
> > equity is deducted. This is extremely important since Blacks
> > were initially excluded from government sponsored
> > homeownership programs. Furthermore, that much of this
> > discrepancy is due to inheritance underlines the historic
> > accumulative nature of African American poverty.
> >
> > On the surface, his comparison between West Indian
> > immigrants and African Americans seems to have merit. Yet, a
> > closer analysis reveals the spuriousness of this comparison.
> > Horowitz's discussion is ahistorical and superficial. He
> > implicitly treats all slave systems the same. West Indian
> > immigrants are the descendants of slaves, but they come
> > slave systems that differed markedly from U.S. slavery.
> > Because African slaves greatly outnumbered whites in the
> > West Indies, the white working and yeoman farming classes
> > were minute; therefore a large number of slave acquired
> > valuable skills. More important, most contemporary Caribbean
> > immigrants are the products of independent countries and
> > were socialized in societies controlled by people of African
> > descent.
> >
> >
> > 7. Reparations Will Increase Victim Mentalities, Negative
> > Attitudes and Alienation Within the Black Community
> >
> > First, Horowitz has it backwards. The Black struggle for
> > justice, freedom, and self-determination, including
> > reparations is empowering. Participation it the struggle
> > produces cognitive liberation, self-esteem, and a sense of
> > efficacy. Do all reparations create a "victim mentality, or
> > just reparations to African Americans? What is a victim
> > mentality? Is it recognition that Blacks have been and
> > continue to be victimized by racial oppression? Recognition
> > is the first step toward resolution. The problem is not that
> > Blacks possess a negative victim mentality, but that
> > Horowitz has a "blame-the-victim" mentality. He is unwilling
> > to honestly acknowledge the centuries of racial oppression
> > to which African Americans have been subjected by white
> > Americans.
> >
> >
> > 8. What About the Reparations That Have Already Been Paid?
> >
> > Horowitz's contention that inclusion in Great Society social
> > programs should count as reparations is absurd. He simply
> > ignores the multiple roles social programs play in U.S.
> > society. On the one hand, Great Society initiated programs
> > were ostensibly designed to abolish poverty. Programs, such
> > as AFDC and food stamps, were class- determined minimum
> > subsistence programs. Whites have made up the overwhelming
> > majority of aid recipients, and the proportion of African
> > Americans has been disproportionate. Nevertheless,
> > Horowitz's discussion rips them from their broader public
> > policy context. Great Society programs were part of
> > Keynesian economics, the country's policy of using
> > governmental spending to stimulate economic growth --
> > employment and consumption. In addition to increasing levels
> > of purchasing, these programs also created well paying
> > government jobs for a predominately white middle class. On
> > the other hand, some programs were designed specifically to
> > address discrimination, racial, gender, ethnic, and
> > religious. No government program has sought to solely
> > benefit Blacks. Moreover, white women and white men over
> > fifty-five, not Blacks, have been the major beneficiaries of
> > affirmative action.
> >
> >
> > 9. What About The Debt Blacks Owe To America?
> >
> > He continues to falsify history, here by distorting the
> > history of the abolition movement, in both the U.S. and
> > Britain. Two points are important: (1) his denial of Black
> > agency; and (2) his crude one-sided interpretation of
> > abolitionism, particularly in Britain. African slaves and
> > quasi-free Blacks initiated the abolition movement. Horowitz
> > omits any discussion of Black self-activity because his goal
> > is to present African Americans as indebted, ungrateful
> > children. Therefore, he mentions 3,000 Black slaveholders,
> > but omits thousands of Black abolitionists, 186,000 Black
> > Union soldiers, and numerous slave revolts for his account.
> >
> > Continuing his manichaean view of history, he presents the
> > British Anti-Slavery Movement as simply an exercise in
> > humanism. He simply extends his argument concerning Union
> > soldiers and Christian abolitionists in the U.S. to Britain.
> > In reality, the British anti-slavery movement was a mixture
> > of humanitarians and imperialists. More important, British
> > abolitionism drew its impetus from a complex mixture of
> > humanist sentiments, economic motivations, and fear of slave
> > rebellions. Horowitz misses these nuances because his
> > purpose is to exaggerate white humanitarianism and deny
> > Black agency. Thus, he denigrates the life and death
> > struggle waged by African Americans throughout U.S. history
> > by calling hard-won rights gifts. In sum, this argument
> > approximates those who called for compensation for the
> > slaveholders!
> >
> >
> > 10. Blacks are Virtually the Oldest Americans, Why Not
> > Embrace Their American Destiny
> >
> > His last assertions are as duplicitous and dumb as those
> > that precede them. Essentially, he reiterates the tired
> > assimilationist position. Consequently, he charges that
> > pursuing reparations will only further isolate American
> > Americans. First, as always he blames the oppressed for
> > conditions created by the oppressor. Black isolation,
> > geographically, socially, and politically is a consequence
> > of white capitalist created ghettoization, ostracism, and
> > racism.
> >
> > Horowitz's one-sided analysis obscures the potentially
> > positive aspects of reparations. Beginning with Presidential
> > and congressional apologies (Congress apologized to
> > Japanese-Americans in 1988 and to Hawaiians in 1993) the
> > U.S. government and white Americans can initiate a sincere
> > conversation on racial oppression. Finally, the payment of
> > several hundred billion dollars in reparations would
> > ultimately benefit all Americans. Reparations would enable
> > the rebuilding of Black civil society, the transformation of
> > inner city ghettoes, the rebuilding of urban infrastructure,
> > and go along way toward eliminating poverty. Reparations
> > represent a way to repair the past, a means "to rebuild
> > relationships through attitudinal changes and institutional
> > restructuring" (Yamamoto, p. 521). Conclusion
> >
> > Horowitz's argument is redundant, racist, ahistorical, and
> > manipulative. In his zeal to discipline Blacks for
> > challenging U.S. reality and for rejecting the hypocritical
> > America dream, Horowitz fails to consider the debt America
> > owes Blacks. Beyond apologies and the transfer of billions
> > of resources for past and present oppression, the U.S.,
> > especially white Americans owe African Americans for forcing
> > it toward its noblest ideals. The Black Freedom Movement has
> > been at the crux of every progressive social change in the
> > nation's history. African Americans have been the most
> > thorough and determined fighters in the struggle to expand
> > democracy and socioeconomic security beyond white male
> > elites. The Black Freedom Movement has served as the
> > inspiration and model for the new social movements that are
> > challenging the nightmare. Horowitz wants to bury this
> > legacy and possibility. Yet, ironically his actions have
> > produced the opposite effect. His diatribe has energized a
> > nascent Black student movement and transformed college
> > campuses into sites of struggle. Furthermore, his ad has
> > forced the mainstream media to remove the shroud covering
> > the struggle for reparations, thus making audible the claims
> > of our ancestors.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua is an Associate Professor of Historical
> > Studies at Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville, and a
> > member of the National Council of the Black Radical Congress.
> > The views and opinions expressed in this article are his own.
> >
> > --
> >
> > References
> >
> > Marcellus Andrews, Political Economy Of Hope And Fear:
> > Capitalism And The Black Condition In America (New York: New
> > York University Press, 1999),
> >
> > Ronald Bailey, "The Slave(ry) Trade. "Journal of Social
> > Science History, 14: 3 (Fall 1990), pp. 373-414.
> >
> > Roy L. Brooks (ed.), When Sorry Isn't Enough: The
> > Controversy over Apologies and Reparations for Human
> > Injustice (New York: New York University Press, 1999).
> >
> > Bureau of the Census, The Special and Economic Status of the
> > Black Population in the United States: An Historical View,
> > 1790-1978 (Washington, D.C., Department of Commerce, 1979).
> >
> > Charles M. Christian, Black saga: The African American
> > Experience (A Chronology) Washington, D.C.: Civitas, 1999).
> >
> > Edward Countryman, Americans: A Collision of Histories (New
> > York: Hill and Wang, 1997).
> >
> > Seymour Drescher, Capitalism and Anti-Slavery: British
> > Mobilization in Comparative Perspective (New York: Oxford
> > University Press, 1987).
> >
> > John Hope Franklin and Alfred A. Moss, Jr., From Slavery to
> > Freedom: A History of African Americans, 8th ed. (New York:
> > McGraw-Hill, 2000).
> >
> > Roy Finkenbine (ed.), Sources of the African-American Past
> > (London: Longman, 1997).
> >
> > C.L.R. James, "The Atlantic Slave Trade and Slavery: Some
> > Interpretations of their Significance in the Development of
> > the United States and the Western World," in C.L.R. James,
> > The Future in the Present: Selected Writings (Westport, CN:
> > Lawrence Hill & Co., 1977), pp. 235-64.
> >
> > Edward Magdol, A Right to the Land: Essays on the Freedman's
> > Community (Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1977),
> >
> > Bernard Makhosezwe Magubane, "The Political Economy of the
> > Black World: Origins of the Present Crisis," in African
> > Sociology-Towards a Critical Perspective: The Collected
> > essays of Bernard Makhosezwe Magubane (Trenton, NJ: Africa
> > World Press, 2000), pp. 405-21.
> >
> > Benjamin Quarles, Black Abolitionists (New York: Oxford
> > University Press, 1969).
> >
> > Roger L. Ransom, Conflict and Compromise: The Political
> > Economy of Slavery, Emancipation, and the American Civil War
> > (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1995).
> >
> > Walter Rodney, How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, rev. ed.
> > (Washington, DC: Howard University Press, 1981).
> >
> > Herbert Shapiro, White Violence and Black Response (Amherst:
> > University of Massachusetts Press, 1988).
> >
> > Robert Westley, "Many Billions Gone: Is It Time to
> > Reconsider the Case for Black Reparations," Boston College
> > Law Review 40 (December 1998), pp. 429-76.
> >
> > Eric K. Yamamoto, "Racial Reparations: Japanese Americans
> > Redress and African American Claims," Boston College Law
> > Review 40 (December 1998), pp. 477-523.
> >
> > Copyright (c) 2001 Sundiata Keita Cha-Jua. All Rights Reserved.
> >
> >
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--- In coalitionforjustice@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
COME HEAR THE VOICE OF TRUTH.
MINISTER TRACY FORD, RADICAL REPUBLICAN REVOLUTIONARY, OF MOUNT CALVARY
BAPTIST CHURCH
150 THROOP AVENUE
NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY 08901
732-247-4410
WILL BE PREACHING A POWER, INSPIRATION MESSAGE
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>From: iacenter@...
>Reply-To: "activist general1" <iacenter@...>
>To: "activist general1" <iacenter@...>
>Subject: Join CAMP FREE MUMIA May 11-13 in Philadelphia
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:10:47 -0400
>
>Join students and activists of all ages and backgrounds as residents of
>CAMP FREE MUMIA in PHILADELPHA from Friday May 11 to
>Sunday May 13 at City Hall.
>
>Preliminary Camp Schedule:
>Friday, May 11: Camp opens 5 pm. Evening: Giant Hip Hop Concert
>Saturday, May 12: March & Rally starting at 1 pm from Philadelphia
>City Hall
>Sunday, May 13: Camp Closing Ceremony: Remember the MOVE
>Bombing
>
>IF YOU PLAN TO PARTICIPATE IN CAMP FREE MUMIA,
>please provide us with the information requested at the end of this
>email.
>
>The purpose of CAMP FREE MUMIA is to draw attention to
>Mumia�s case and to keep the pressure on the system to let our
>brother go. We will camp out in Philadelphia over the second week
>end in May to let the government, the courts, the cops, and the power
>brokers in that city know that the whole world is watching. We will
>live in Philly for a few days to remind the powers that be that people
>are prepared to do what ever is required to free Mumia.
>
>Camp Free Mumia opens on Friday evening May 11. The camp will
>be open all Friday night, all day and night Saturday May 12, and into
>the late afternoon of Sunday May 13. The location of Camp Free
>Mumia is in front of City Hall.
>
>One big reason why the Philadelphia police targeted award-winning
>journalist and political activist Mumia Abu-Jamal was Mumia�s
>defense of the MOVE organization. May 13 marks the 16th
>anniversary of the 1985 infamous bombing and burning of the MOVE
>house by the Philadelphia police. The bombing left 11 people dead
>including five children. On May 12 in commemoration of this
>anniversary, activists and supporters around the world will be
>marching and demonstrating to free Mumia.
>
>Activities at the encampment will include guest speakers, discussion
>groups, workshops, music, and a major demonstration on Saturday
>May 12. You will have a chance to meet and live with activists from
>many different places. Come for the two nights, or for one night, or
>for one day on Saturday May 12 to participate in the demonstration
>planned for that afternoon at City Hall.
>
>Those staying over night should bring a sleeping bag, or a few
>blankets, some warm clothes, and food. Food will also be available at
>the camp. There will be portable toilets, a medical staff and
>volunteers prepared to deal with a variety of needs.
>
>If you plan to participate in Camp Free Mumia, please provide us with
>the following information as soon as possible:
>
>Name of participant(s)
>Organization/Union/School
>Phone
>Email address
>Mailing Address
>
>I/we are joining Camp Free Mumia:
>___ Friday night
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>
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>
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>Subject: [nbpc] Re: [NB_CC_TF] Fwd: [CoalitionOPRA] Public Housing + NBHA
>Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 00:11:51 -0000
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>--- In coalitionforjustice@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
>COME HEAR THE VOICE OF TRUTH.
>MINISTER TRACY FORD, RADICAL REPUBLICAN REVOLUTIONARY, OF MOUNT CALVARY
>BAPTIST CHURCH
>150 THROOP AVENUE
>NEW BRUNSWICK, NEW JERSEY 08901
>732-247-4410
>WILL BE PREACHING A POWER, INSPIRATION MESSAGE
>"THE MILITANT CHRISTIAN: HOW TO OVERCOME THE DEVIL"
>AT TRAVELERS FELLOWSHIP BAPTIST CHURCH
>33POPLAR ROAD
>PISCATAWAY, NEW JERSEY 08854
>732-572-1313
>7:00PM, MONDAY, APRIL 23, 2001
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Interview with Giuliani Decency Commission
Giuliani’s Art Police Are At It Again
He’s at it again. New York City’s self-proclaimed Decency Commissioner,
Rudolph Giuliani, is attacking yet another art venue for daring to express a
viewpoint he doesn’t agree with.
Now it’s the Bronx Museum of the Arts that is feeling the Wrath of 
Giuliani.
This time it has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, the Madonna or the
Last Supper. Criticizing the police has been added to Giuliani’s list of
forbidden subjects for artists and museums.
The great thing about Giuliani is that he never stops giving you evidence of
where he’s coming from or the utter hypocrisy behind it. Last week I had 
an
opportunity to debate the Decency Commission on live radio (1050AM WEVD, the
Alan Colmes Show) with one of its’ members, the Mayor’s divorce 
attorney,
Raoul Felder.
Felder kept insisting that the Commission had nothing to do with censorship
but only with the use of tax dollars to finance art. Then he volunteered 
that
in 1998 he had tried to have a show of my Giuliani portraits closed because
it was located in a Madison Avenue office building where his office is
located. The show was on private property and needless to say received no 
tax
dollars. When Felder came into the show he looked horrified by the paintings
of Giuliani as a dictator and asked me, "Is it legal to show these 
pictures?"
I asked Felder why the Brooklyn Museum couldn’t show art that some people
mistakenly thought was anti-Catholic yet the Museum of Modern Art - which
recieves far more NY City tax dollars than the Brooklyn Museum and all other
NYC museums combined - could show blatantly anti-Catholic works by Salvador
Dali. Felder’s response was that Dali was a famous artist. Such is the
commission’s legal expertise on First Amendment issues.
Felder isn’t the only member of the Decency Commission with a history of
trying to censor art on Giuliani’s behalf.
Daniel Connolly, the Decency Commission's executive director, was Mayor
Giuliani’s NYC corporation Counsel lawyer in charge of all the street 
artist
arrest cases in NYC from 1994 until we won our first lawsuit in 1997. Out of
more than 700 artist arrests not one was ever brought to trial and not more
than a handful of artists ever got their art back. Tens of thousands of 
works
of fine art were confiscated and illegally destroyed as part of the policy.
In a series of memos written at the very start of the policy (which are part
of the legal record) the corporation counsel and the Manhattan District
Attorney’s office wrote that the artist arrest policy was unconstitutional
and that no case could be prosecuted. No case ever was prosecuted yet the
artist arrests continued on a daily basis for four years.
Giuliani went all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to try and stop myself
and other artists from showing art that criticized his policies. In his
appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, Giuliani wrote:
"An exhibition of paintings is not as communicative as speech, literature or
live entertainment, and the artists' constitutional interest is thus
minimal." -Giuliani appeal brief against street artists having First
Amendment protection, Giuliani v Lederman et al and Giuliani v Bery et al,
filed with the U.S. Supreme Court 2/24/97.
Losing that case didn’t stop the Mayor from trying to keep artists from
showing political art he dissproves of.
Right after losing it Giuliani and his most loyal henchman, Parks
Commissioner Henry Stern, created an artist permit policy that directly
violated the ruling in the previous case. The 2nd circuit ruling gave 
artists
the exact same full First Amendment right as newspaper publishers and book
vendors to distribute, sell or display on New York City streets without a
license or permit.
Aside from the hundreds of book vendors selling within 350 feet of NYC Parks
(which the agency claims as their jurisdiction) you may have noticed the
thousands of metal and plastic distribution boxes located throughout the
City. In these boxes copies of the NY Times, NY Post, Wall Street Journal 
and
other papers are sold and the Village Voice and NY Press among others are
distributed for free.
Not one of these boxes has a permit, pays any fee or needs any permission.
Many are chained to City property - lightpoles, stops signs etc - or are
located next to fire hydrants and other so-called street furniture that
artists are prohibited from being next to.
In our current lawsuit we have documented hundreds of instances where the
Parks Department allows book and newspaper vendors to sell on Parks property
without a permit while arresting artists for doing the exact same thing same
in the exact same location.
The artist permit system for Parks now has it’s own decency panel 
appointed
by the Mayor and Commissioner Stern, which decides which artists are 
suitable
to show their work. The permit system is the subject of an ongoing lawsuit,
Lederman et al v Giuliani, which is currently in Federal court.
When one of the Manhattan Criminal court’s best judges, Lucy Billings,
overturned the artist permit in 1999 because it blatantly violated the NY
State Constitution and New York City law, Giuliani had her removed from the
criminal court.
Recently the Mayor had me arrested for the 41st time outside City Hall for
selling a postcard with his portrait on it based on this same overturned 
law.
Supervising the arrest was his Deputy Mayor Rudy Washington, officers from
the NYPD intelligence division, a lawyer for the NYPD and more than 25
uniformed officers.
This past week I attempted to get Parks Commissioner Stern and various of 
his
aides, including Deputy Commissioner in charge of enforcement Jack Linn and
Parks legal counsel Alexander Oliveri, to state what their current policy 
was
concerning artists and bookvendors. All refused to go on the record as to
what their own legal policy was.
Linn told me, "You’ll have to test us to find out." If they actually 
believe
their policy is legal and constitutional, why keep it a secret? Why do
citizens of New York City have to "test" law enforcement to determine what
the laws are?
Nevertheless, a sgt. in the Parks Enforcement Police (PEP) was far more
forthcoming. "Artists need a permit. Book vendors don’t. We never issue
summonses to book vendors." In the early stages of the lawsuit about this 
the
Mayor’s lawyers were actually lying to the judge, claiming there was a 
book
vendor permit.
In fact, it was then City Council member Henry Stern himself who had helped
eliminate the book vendor license requirement decades previously based on it
being a violation of the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment.
Times change and so did onetime liberal Henry Stern. The Department of Parks
is now a hotbed of racial profiling, corruption and violations of free
speech. Stern is being investigated for shaking down charities for
exhorbitant "donations" and is being sued by members of his own agency for
racial predjudice.
Long before the Mayor began picking on museums (other than the ones his
contributors own like the Museum of Modern Art) he was actively censoring
political art. This had nothing whatsoever to do with tax dollars and
everything to do with his fear of allowing New Yorkers to see art that he
finds embarrassing.
As a futher example of the absurdity of this Decency Commission being based
on the use of tax dollars consider this. When it comes to tax dollars being
used to subsidize political speech in New York City we need look no further
than the City’s mainstream newspapers. Between them they’ve recieved
hundreds of millions of dollars in tax subsidies from Rudy Giuliani.
The only thing a Decency Commission needs to look into in New York is the
Giuliani Administration itself.
Street artist lawsuits involving Giuliani
Lederman et al v Giuliani (The ongoing Parks Department lawsuit and related
matters of censorship and false arrest)
98 Civ. 2024 (LMM)
http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html
titled
New legal complaint filed in Federal Court against Mayor Giuliani. Details
the charges of constitutional violations (9/5/98)
The earlier case we already won is at the same site under
Street artists are legal: Entire text of the Bery decision of the U.S. Court
of Appeals for the Second Circuit (Argued: April 26, 1996 Decided: October
10, 1996) Lederman at al v City of NY; Bery et al v City of NY
UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
Nos. 1620, 1621, 1782 August Term 1995
(Argued: April 26, 1996 Decided: October 10, 1996)
Docket Nos. 95-9089 (L), 95-9131, 96-7137
The Federal case regarding leafleting on the steps of the US Capitol that I
won last year and that the Feds lost on appeal this year (I was arrested
giving out leaflets about Giuliani persecuting artists)
Lederman v United States of America et al 99-3359 [1]
is at
http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html
NYC Artist Wins Federal Suit Against U.S. Gov't (3/15/2000)
and updated at
http://baltech.org/lederman/
under the title
Artist wins latest round in DC Federal Court (3-07-01)
For numerous detailed articles about the Giuliani Decency Commission; GW 
Bush
and Giuliani’s Nazi connection; the CIA’s Manhattan Institute; eugenics
(scientific racism); and West Nile Virus information see
http://baltech.org/lederman/
(for earlier West Nile Virus articles)
http://www.levymultimedia.com/lederman/index.htm
Street artist information
http://www.openair.org/alerts/artist/nyc.html
Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T.
(Artists’ Response To Illegal State Tactics)
ARTISTpres@...
robert.lederman@...
(718) 743-3722


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It is time to make our voices heard on a national scale.  The rest of
the country needs to know that we are not going to live in a racist
society.  In order to make our point heard, we need this May Day rally
to go down at colleges all over, along with press releases and
basically as much media coverage as we can garner.

It is time to put an end to these racist ideas which inevitably
culminate in violence and brutality, racist ideas which are currently
upheld by nearly every institution in the country (i.e. the
educational system, healthcare system, justice system, to name a few).

It is time to break the bubble created by the segregation in our
society, to shatter the imaginary glass wall that separates people of
different skin color-- a glass wall forged by ignorance, a glass wall
which those in power believe will protect their status by preventing
one unifying movement against injustice.  How do we fight back against
racism, against the ignorance that divides human beings?  By raising
our voices, and letting the truth be known.  It is time to unite.


I could use help in contacting other universities... at this point
there is no central way for activists from different schools to
communicate with each other so it's been difficult.  So if any of you
belong to groups that have sister organizations at other schools,
please contact them.  They can e-mail missfitz@... with
any questions.


Let's do this!

Megan Fitzgerald


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>From: JoeMosley@...
>To: joemosley1@...
>Subject: Fwd: [gpnj-members] Fwd: ASGP-COO FW: [instantrunoff] IRV FAQ
>Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:13:51 EST
>
>
>
>  >X-Plug: http://www.greens.org/gis/
>  >
>  >This is really good. Should help us all in our efforts to educate others 
>and ourselves on this vital issue. John
>  >
>  >----------
>  >From: "Nathaniel Krause" <nate@...>
>  >To: instantrunoff@egroups.com
>  >Subject: [instantrunoff] IRV FAQ
>  >Date: Sat, Jan 13, 2001, 7:29 PM
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >This is the FAQ from instantrunoff.com.  I am posting it for public
>  >comment.  Are there any other questions which are frequently asked
>  >and which you would like to see addressed?  Contact me
>  >(nate@...).
>  >
>  >1. WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING FOR THE AVERAGE
>  >VOTER?
>  >
>  >1. Instant Runoff Voting would restore a basic principle of
>  >democracy: majority rule. Far too often our federal, state, and local
>  >governments are filled with people elected with less than 50% of the
>  >vote. What this means, in essence, is that most voters involved voted
>  >against them.  Bill Clinton was twice elected president by a minority
>  >vote and now George W. Bush has too; whether they would have won in a
>  >runoff is unclear.  IRV requires all winners to be majority winners.
>  >
>  >2. IRV will put more choices on the ballot.   IRV will avoid the
>  >pitfalls of the wasted-vote and spoiler syndromes and it will
>  >increase the visibility of third parties. This will make it much more
>  >likely that elections will have more than two candidates on the
>  >ballot, and that the media will treat them as three-way races.  The
>  >end result will be more choices for the voter.
>  >
>  >3. Elections will be less negative, more issue-oriented, and based
>  >around coalition-building. Elections with three or four contenders
>  >tend to be less prone to negative mudslinging than two-way races. The
>  >purpose of negative advertising is to convince people not to vote for
>  >an opponent. In a two-way race this is very effective, because the
>  >targeted voters are likely to move over to the mudslinger's side. But
>  >in a multiple-candidate race they are more likely to take some third
>  >option, making mudslinging much less effective. The only way to
>  >succeed in a race against several opponents is to make a positive
>  >case for oneself, and this will make it more likely that campaigns
>  >will focus on the issues. Furthermore, candidates in an IRV election
>  >will be campaigning not only for first-choice votes, but also for the
>  >second-choice votes of their opponent's supporters. Under the present
>  >system, if a candidate knows that you're going to vote for someone
>  >else, he will write you off.   But, under IRV, he will still be
>  >courting you for your second- or third-choice votes, which may prove
>  >crucial to the candidate's chances of winning.  Because of this,
>  >candidates will focus on building a broad and inclusive coalition and
>  >reaching out to a variety of voters.
>  >
>  >2. WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING FOR SUPPORTERS OF
>  >THIRD PARTIES?
>  >
>  >1. Voters will no longer have reason to vote for the "lesser-of-two-
>  >evils."  Potential third-party voters frequently wrestle with their
>  >enthusiasm for the principles of a third party on the one hand, and,
>  >on the other, their desire to keep a particularly-hated Democrat or
>  >Republican out of office; too many choose the latter and vote for
>  >a "lesser-of-two-evils." The trouble is that this prevents some
>  >candidates from even getting off the ground. IRV does away with this
>  >problem by allowing a voter to rank all candidates in order of
>  >preference. Thus, a conservative, for instance, who wants to help
>  >defeat a liberal Democratic incumbent could rank a US Taxpayers
>  >candidate "#1" and the Republican challenger "#2;" or some other
>  >candidate as "#2" and the Republican as "#3."
>  >
>  >2. Voters will no longer worry about "wasting votes" on a third
>  >party. Some voters feel that a vote is wasted if it doesn't go to a
>  >Democrat or Republican. It isn't that they hate outsiders -- in fact,
>  >polls show that 67% of Americans want a third party -- but usually
>  >because they are concerned about electing a "greater-of-two-evils."
>  >Because IRV allows a voter to rank each candidate, they can safely
>  >rank Green or Libertarian #1 without fear that their vote will be
>  >wasted.
>  >
>  >3. Third party candidates will no longer worry about
>  >becoming "spoilers" or being perceived as such. As with conventional
>  >runoffs, an IRV election is not over until one candidate has a
>  >majority of the votes. For this reason, third parties never need to
>  >worry about being labelled as "spoilers" who force the election of an
>  >unpopular candidate. Two examples from alternative parties will
>  >illustrate the problems this can cause: in the 1994 election for
>  >governor of Alaska, the conservative Alaskan Independence Party
>  >received 13% of the vote, which is pretty good, but it threw the
>  >election to the Democrat who receieved only 41%, which is probably
>  >not what they had in mind. The same year in New Mexico, the Green
>  >Party received 11% of the vote for governor, but it threw the
>  >election to a Republican who received under 50% of the vote. In
>  >neither case did the voters get what they wanted and asked for.  IRV
>  >completely rids us of this problem.
>  >
>  >4.  The presence of a third-party candidate might even boost the
>  >chances of a major party candidate. In a race between a moderate-
>  >liberal Democrat and a Republican, a left-wing Labor Party candidate
>  >could help the Democrat by energizing liberals and bringing them to
>  >the polls. Once there, the liberals' second choice votes can decide
>  >the election. And the same could work for Republicans and
>  >conservative third parties. Over time, this might mean better chances
>  >of legislation, such as ballot access reform, favorable to third
>  >parties, and inclusion of third party candidates in debates.
>  >Probably, the big two parties will always regard third parties as
>  >threats, but at least, with IRV, this will be tempered by their self-
>  >interest.
>  >
>  >3. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "PLULARITY ELECTIONS"?
>  >
>  >"Plurality elections" is what we call the current election system:
>  >everyone votes for one choice, and whichever candidate gets the most
>  >votes wins--not a majority of votes, just the most.  The vote total
>  >may be more or less than 50%. A lot of people think conventional
>  >plurality elections are the epitome of the democratic principle of
>  >majority rule. The problem is that pluralities aren't always
>  >majorities; sometimes they're minorities. Therefore, plurality
>  >elections can sometimes mean minority rule.  It's not a good voting
>  >system.
>  >
>  >  4. WHY NOT JUST USE TWO-ROUND RUNOFF ELECTION?
>  >
>  >Instant Runoff Voting has many of the advantages of a conventional
>  >two-round runoff, but is superior in several ways. As an example,
>  >take the 1992 election for US Senator in Georgia. Because Libertarian
>  >candidate Larry Hudson received more than 3% of the vote, neither his
>  >Democratic nor his Republican opponent had a majority. State law
>  >required a conventional runoff, which was a good thing because the
>  >incumbent Democrat had been leading in the first round but was
>  >narrowly defeated in the second. One could conjecture that this was
>  >because the Republican was the second choice of most Libertarians.
>  >But there were downsides to this runoff: the second round was an
>  >additional expense to candidates and to the public. Voter turnout
>  >dropped dramatically. Candidates had to continue their campaigns and
>  >expenditures for another few weeks. All of these negative effects
>  >could be remedied by using Instant Runoff Voting. 1. IRV is cheaper
>  >for the public. IRV elections occur all on one day, so the taxpayer
>  >does not have to pay to open the polls twice. 2. IRV is cheaper for
>  >the candidates. Two-round elections require additional weeks of
>  >campaigning and this requires more money. This is a especially
>  >problematic for underfunded challengers coming from outside the
>  >establishment. 3. IRV increases voter turnout. Abundant historical
>  >evidence shows that the second round of a two-round runoff almost
>  >always has lower voter turnout. This is particularly unfortunate
>  >because it is at the second round that the final winner is actually
>  >decided. 4. Standard runoffs usually eliminate all but the top two
>  >candidates right after the first round (and thus always takes no more
>  >than two rounds). On the other hand, IRV eliminates only the
>  >candidate with the current lowest vote count each round (and thus can
>  >take several rounds). This makes IRV superior for races in which
>  >there are more than three serious candidates, as is often the case in
>  >party primaries. Consider the 1981 Democratic primary for mayor of
>  >New York, which was held as a two-round runoff. The top two
>  >candidates in the first round, who went on to the second round, were
>  >Ed Koch with 22% of the vote and Mario Cuomo with 20% of the vote.
>  >Even combined, they got less than half the vote! Had IRV been used,
>  >the candidates would have been eliminated one-by-one, and their
>  >supporters' votes transferred. Potentially, a third candidate could
>  >have moved ahead and won the nomination.
>  >
>  >5. IS INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING A FORM OF PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION?
>  >
>  >No, but it's part of the same family of election reforms.
>  >Proportional representation (PR) is an election system that provides
>  >minority represenation with majority rule for a legislative body,
>  >like Congress, your state legislature, County Board or Village
>  >Commissioners. Instant Runoff Voting is for races for only one
>  >office, like President, Mayor and Governor.  Supporters of PR should
>  >support IRV because it is a stepping stone to PR.  Some forms of PR
>  >also use a system of ranked votes, therefore IRV can be seen as a
>  >form of voter education leading towards PR.
>  >
>  >6. WHEN AND WHERE HAS INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING BEEN USED?
>  >
>  >IRV was invented in the United States in the 1870's by a professor at
>  >MIT.  It is used in Ireland to elect their president and other
>  >officials, in Australia to elect their Senate, in London, UK for
>  >Mayor and in America to elect the president of the American Political
>  >Science Association. It was also used in several U.S. states for
>  >partisan primaries in the 1910's and 1920's and in the 1970's in Ann
>  >Arbor, Michigan.  The Reform Party also uses it to nominate their
>  >candidate for President (they only had 2 candidates in 2000, so they
>  >didn't need IRV).  It is being heavily considered for use in Vermont,
>  >Alaska, New Mexico and in some local elections in Washington and
>  >California.  To learn more about these state efforts, click here.
>  >
>  >7. ISN'T THIS TOO CONFUSING FOR VOTERS?
>  >
>  >IRV asks the voters to rank the candidates in order of preference: 1,
>  >2, 3, 4, etc.  You can argue until you're blue in the face, but THAT
>  >IS NOT HARD TO DO.  1,2,3.  How hard is that?  If a voter wants to do
>  >it the old way, they can rank one candidate "#1" and walk out, but
>  >they probably will not want to do so, because their voice is more
>  >fully heard when they rank the candidates.  Voters in Ireland,
>  >Australia and London, England all use IRV and we're not dumber than
>  >they are, are we?
>  >
>  >After the 2000 Florida Presidential fiasco, a lot of you may be
>  >saying, "well, IRV is easy for me to understand, but there's
>  >obviously some people out there who aren't that bright."  WRONG.
>  >People are not that stupid.  The main problem (among many others) in
>  >Florida was two-pronged: 1) the voting equipment couldn't count, and
>  >2) the form of the ballot design (mostly the 'butterfly' punch card
>  >system) was visually designed in a confusing manner.  In other words,
>  >what confused folks was how the election was delivered to the voters,
>  >not that the voters themselves were so dense in the head they didn't
>  >understand the concept of how to vote.
>  >
>  >A well designed ballot, good equipment that can count and a
>  >rudimentary public information campaign effort is all that is needed
>  >to carry-out a smooth IRV election--the voters will understand and
>  >love it, because it's really "as easy as 1, 2, 3."
>  >
>  >8. CAN OUR VOTING EQUIPMENT HANDLE IRV?
>  >
>  >Good question.  In some places, yes; in some, no.   Optical scan
>  >sheets could be designed to use IRV and more advanced touch-screens
>  >could easily incorporate IRV or even other fancy voting schemes.
>  >Believe it or not, even the punch card system could be designed to
>  >support IRV.   It would be ugly, but possible.   You may want to have
>  >post-vote verification machines handy so the voter can verify their
>  >ballot was punched properly, but we should have those anyways.
>  >
>  >Since we're on the subject, this issue of voting equipment is
>  >obviously a hot topic these days, again, because of Florida.  One
>  >effect of the Supreme Court ruling in Bush v Gore is that the Equal
>  >Protection Clause may require more uniformity in voting equipment
>  >across a state.   Many voting districts, and maybe whole states, will
>  >be investing in new equipment in the next year or so.  Now is the
>  >time for concerned citizens to ask their voting officials to not only
>  >improve the equipment, but make sure the equipment is capable of
>  >handling all types of voting schemes, like IRV or other Proportional
>  >Representation methods.
>  >
>  >Yes.  Voting equipment is a hurdle for IRV, but now's the best time
>  >in decades to make the right change.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >Kill the 'wasted vote' syndrome by ranking candidates (1, 2, 3) and
>  >requiring a majority of votes to win.
>  >
>  >To subscribe: instantrunoff-subscribe@egroups.com
>  >
>  >For more information: www.fairvote.org, www.midwestdemocracy.org,
>  >www.prairienet.org/icpr, www.instantrunoff.com
>  >
>  >MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT!
>
>
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>From: dlj@...
>Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Richard Barrett in Cincinnati
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:39:17 -0000
>
>As if the problem in Cincinnati is not bad enough, Richard Barrett of
>the Nationalist Movement came here to show his support for the local
>police. He held a little conference at the Police Memorial where he
>laid a wreath in memory of the officers who died in the line of duty.
>Here's the fun part. Originally he was to hold his confernce at city
>hall, but UPON SUGGESTION BY POLICE OFFICERS moved to the memorial,
>which is just outside the police station. Cincy Fraternal Order of
>Police head Keith Fangman, who a few days ago was taking shots at
>Kwesi Mfume for being an "outsider", thanked and applauded Barrett
>after his remarks!
>
>To that end there are going to be some very angry people at the City
>Council meeting on Wednesday at 2PM. They want Fangman and the Cincy
>police to do some explaining. White supremacist groups are making a
>pilgrimage to Cincy, and if this is what to expect from our police,
>brace yourselves. If you know anyone in the area that can go and
>speak out, let them know about this.
>
>DLJ
>

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howard, you should be in the coalition for justice egroups site.

joe


>From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>, <njfo@egroups.com>
>CC: <senormart@...>, <nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com>, 
><jeanross55@...>, <sisterhoodNstruggle1@...>, 
><tamaradahan@...>, <nita_08901@...>, 
><breakingchains@...>, <sherryRT@...>
>Subject: [nbpc] Re:
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 00:31:04 -0400
>
>Platform Committee Recommendations to the CFJ  re upcoming Sat Meeting
>4-21-2001
>
>We have at least 2 main responsibilities:
>A. Build the case for the 9 Demands as they have been stated publicly and
>discussed in the media. By build is meant detail of rationale, specifics of
>structure, and defining more exactly what we mean -- all of this so that 
>the
>CFJ `negotiating' team has as much pertinent information as possible to 
>make
>the case for each demand.
>B. Where possible for the May 16th March/Protest, restate our 9 Demands and
>expand them without losing the essential demands'  focus -- for example
>including Cliff's stated Point 1 as part of Demand 4; Cliff's point 2 as an
>element under Demand 2 and Demand 3 for pursuit by the Independent
>Prosecutor as we expand the definition of `racial' profiling to mean any
>kind of prejudicial profiling.
>
>Expanding on our committee responsibilities, please give me your thoughts 
>on
>the following:
>
>A. Demand 1 -- Are we in agreement with the structure and powers of the
>proposed independent civilian-controlled police control board? You have the
>essentials in the packet I gave out Sat 4-14-01. If you want the entire
>beast let me know and I'll email the 30+ pages to you. Cliff, your
>recommendation for residency requirements is a good one which we should ask
>the CFJ to push as we push for the CCPCB -- and it doesn't have to wait on
>the CCPCB struggle. Perhaps it fits logically under Demand 8  -- Hiring of
>more minority officers; also your other part of comment 3 falls within the
>essentials of the CCPCB proposal.
>A. Demand 2 -- Independent Prosecutor -- To be either popularly elected
>ASAP, or selected by lottery from four candidates selected one each from 
>the
>ACLU-NJ, NAACP-NJ, NJ Bar Assn, and the Urban League. These are highly
>respected, national type organizations (every state has their own bar
>association --- perhaps we need a state-wide Hispanic-representing
>organization to offer a candidate prosecutor?
>A. Demand 3 -- Legislation re racial profiling to be expanded to 
>prejudicial
>profiling as I defined in one of Sat's handouts. If you want to improve the
>definition of prejudicial profiling let me know. The basic idea is that no
>one should be treated unfairly for any reason or nonreason. Justification
>for detrimental treatment must be obvious.
>A. Demand 4 -- Reopening of police brutality cases -- we need to raise the
>question to the CFJ if we mean the ca. 30 people who have been KILLED by
>police in NJ during the past 10 years under `suspicious' circumstances -
>about 27 cases of which are briefly documented in the book `Stolen Lives.'
>How about the perhaps hundreds of cases of police brutality that did not
>result in death of the victim? Do we demand that all of these cases be
>reopened --- and reopened by the Indep Prosecutor?
>I say YES! If you agree, someone will need to survey the NJ populace and
>really interview/document those who have been PHYSICALLY injured, as
>starters. Those who have been insulted via prejudicial profiling is another
>massive endeavor. Do we recommend this to the CFJ for longer term followup?
>A, Demand 5 -- Verniero et al we've covered. For the first round of Demands
>I recommend that we include Poritz and Whitman. The Independent Prosecutor
>should be pressed to pursue the entire StatePolice chain-of-command 
>involved
>in this highway racial profiling [civil rights + violations]. Longer term,
>pursue this same issue in local police agencies.
>A. Demand 6 -- Hogan and Kenna . This is clear and specific
>A. Demand 7 -- Racial bias and BRUTALITY history/tendency testing. Was
>candidate a high school bully; does the candidate have a history of
>torturing or killing animals, abusing others?
>A. Demand 8 and 9 -- Hiring and promoting of more minority officers. We 
>need
>to demand objective standards for promotion set by an `outside' auditing
>board that will provide continuing oversight of the processes of hiring and
>promotion evaluation.
>If the standards and implementation are fair, the selection process should
>be based simply on merit. As with medical personnel, we want the best for
>these life-and-death decisions selected on the basis of competence. Lemme
>know if you disagree.
>
>B. Longer term -- Items 4 (direct elections), 5 (reparations), 7 and 8 of
>Cliff's notes need to be presented to the CFJ for consideration and
>prioritization assuming the CFJ will expand its social-economic-political
>thrust.Each of these pusuits will call for dynamic committees and liason
>with existing organizations. Item 6 in Cliff's notes I personally still
>can't agree with -- it's too broad brush for me especially since I don't
>know if there are decent Republicans in the legislature like Gormley
>perhaps. I suggest we attack the issues and support those who we as
>individuals feel are worthy of our vote -- as an organization we should not
>endorse or oppose a party. Let's educate the populace objectively and
>PASSIONATELY and have faith that they'll vote for justice. I fully support 
>a
>presentation by Cliff or anyone to the CFJ of differing views.
>
>In addition, we need to add to our list of possible suggestions to the CFJ
>for After-May 16 consideration --
>
>-- Death Penalty moratorium and elimination
>-- Essential health and civil rights for prisoners, including review of NJ
>prison labor procedures, parole for non-violent prisoners, job training and
>employment assistance for parolees -- and all indigent so that they do not
>have to go to prison to obtain necessary education and employment
>assistance.
>-- A Freedom of Information Act worthy of the name. This would help prevent
>a lot of corrupt practices. Belive it or not, Florida has a highly reputed
>FOIA. We could readily get guidance from the ACLU and the existing NJ bill
>on this subject.
>-- Welfare -- the Clinton Welfare DEFORM Act of 1996 is wreaking havoc 
>among
>much of the chronically poor. Infant mortality, INFANTICIDE BY GOVERNMENT
>EDICT AND NEGLECT, has risen. The crunch will become even more severe in 
>the
>next 2 years as the 5 year lifetime limit on welfare occurs for many poor
>families. What then for these folks? Particularly given the economic
>downturn which will mean reduced welfare possibilities for the neediest.
>What's our plan to protect the present and soon to be helpless?
>-- Living Wage not Minimum Wage -- You'll see info on this in the packet I
>gave at last Sat's meeting.
>
>Who wants to speak to the CFJ group on what subjects? I believe I can 
>handle
>Demands 1 and 2 -- CCPCB and Independent Prosecutor and perhaps anything
>else that no one else picks. Please feel free to add comments AFTER the
>presenter's comments.Summarize your recommendations and rationales for CFJ
>action. We may be lucky to get 5 minutes per subject. At this point we want
>to elicit comments and ideas in addition to our own, and come back on the
>April 28 with a better consensus set of short and long term positions and
>plans.
>
>Let us all know what you all think, ASAP. Think or Sink!
>
>Blessings.
>Howard
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "cliff smith" <cliffsmith69@...>
>To: <njfo@egroups.com>
>Cc: <senormart@...>; <nbpeoplescampaign@egroups.com>;
><howardnelson@...>; <jeanross55@...>;
><sisterhoodNstruggle1@...>; <tamaradahan@...>;
><nita_08901@...>; <breakingchains@...>;
><sherryRT@...>
>Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 7:19 PM
>
>
> > Date:  Sun Apr 15, 2001 7:09pm
> >                  Subject:  platform committee discussion
> >                            coalition for justice
> >                            march on trenton, may 16
> >
> >                  the meeting of the platform committee, sunday 1pm, new
> > brunswick, centered around developing and expanding the scope of the 
>March
> > platform  , its program and demands, in order to strengthen our base,
>build
> > broader unity, reflect developments in the campaign, and better address
>the
> > issues within their national & historic context.
> >
> >                  our general agreements were that a "broad, not narrow"
> > vision would better organize our different communities toward the
>necessary
> > elimination of police abuses, rather than merely replacing this or that
> > figurehead.
> >
> >                  further, that we need to address our issues in how they
> > exist in political reality, and finally, on what happens to our 
>developing
> > movement beyond the march.
> >
> >                  1. the call for verniero's immediate removal must be
> > expanded to demand the sworn-in investigation of former gov. whitman,
>former
> > ag poritz, and  the entire hierarchy of the state police.  these people
>all
> > were involved in the policy of profiling & abuse, and its cover-up.
> >
> >                  2. the issue of police abuses of women must be 
>prominent
>in
> > our program.  this is a well-documented trend in nj, but has been
> > conspicuously absent from any outcry.  we point to repeated instances of
> > sexual harrassment/assault in police stops, police involvement in
> > prostitution/sex-slavery, police violence toward their domestic 
>partners,
> > and harrassment/abuse of female police including female troopers.
> >
> >                  3. the "review board w/ subpoena & disciplinary powers"
>is
> > better named an elected, civilian, police-control board.  the point is, 
>do
> > the police control the community, or does the community control the
>police?
> > only by placing the police under direct control of the community (not
>merely
> > review!), will abuses be eliminated.
> >
> >                  further, there must be residency requirements and open
> > files on all police officers.
> >
> >                  4. the question of community control and democracy also
> > must include the direct election (& immediate recall) of all state
>officials
> > with positions of authority.  including judges, prosecutors, & police
> > chiefs.  if we could vote verniero out, we wouldn't be caught in a
> > republican legislative obstacle course.
> >
> >                  5. we must understand, and state openly, that police
>abuses
> > are a result of social inequalities.  that no amount of reform within 
>the
> > police will eliminate abuses if general social inequality continues.  
>that
> > is, e.g., street crime is a product of poverty & oppression.  until 
>these
> > conditions are eliminated, police will always "profile" "criminals", 
>while
> > claiming to protect & serve.
> >
> >                     we must put forward the democratic calls for
>reparations
> > and self-determination for all oppressed peoples.  in this way to
>eliminate
> > social inequality, and with it, social abuses.  one
> > practical example would be free education for all blacks,  latinos,
> > and women in new jersey.
> >
> >                  6. that our program must openly target the republican
>party
> > as the most dangerous, most aggressive advocate of profiling & police
>abuse.
> > these actions are most openly encouraged by republican party operatives
>and
> > policies.  whitman got promoted after(!) being exposed in profiling
> > "pat-down" (or was that her initiation?).  we must defeat defransesco in
> > november and all republicans!
> >
> >                  7. that francis lawrence, president of the state
>university
> > (rutgers) must be removed for classifying black people as "genetically
> > inferior".  this anti-scientific, backward claim, by the head of the
>state's
> > highest, public, educational institution provided ideological support, a
> > lynch-mentality, for any racist thug cop.
> >
> >                  8. that after the march we must meet immediately to
>assess
> > our successes & failures, criticize our errors, and learn lessons to 
>build
> > on.  we should seek to unite our forces with all progressive forces in 
>nj
> > toward building a broad, democratic, peoples' united front to fight all
> > social problems toward building a peoples' democratic workers' party.
> >
> >                     And finally, that we should plan to hold a
> > conference/summit in the fall, before the election, to develop and 
>advance
> > our organization.
> >
> >                  we welcome all criticisms, suggestions, concerns, &tc.
> > toward this.
> >
> >                  defeat racist/sexist profiling & police abuse!
> >
> >                  cliff smith
> >                  platform committee
> >                  732.214.8828
> >                  cliffsmith69@...
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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good point re: faculty & staff.

the "no politics" group are democrats.  mcgreasy, if he wants to win, takes 
a big gamble to allow distractions from defeating the republicans.

which we revolutionary democracy-ites also need to do, as we build the 
peoples' democratic workers' party.


>From: "Matthew Smith" <vivaohio@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 16:32:26
>
>
>
>Joe makes a very good argument here for joining forces around the elected
>school board question.  I would only add two points:
>1. Along with mobilizing the youth, it is essential to make inroads with 
>the
>teachers and staff workers within the school system.  It seems that this 
>has
>consistantly been this campaign's weekest link.
>2. Don't underestimate the city's determination and ability to fight the
>referendum, regardless of common push for McGreesy...that's what their
>'independant' Committee to Keep (People's) Politics out of Our Schools is
>for.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "joseph smith"
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] VOTE YES - Elected School Board
>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:06:24 -0400
>to address flavio's question and to open up the discussion...
>the school board question is a good discussion. why should it be run '01,
>specifically addressing it in the context of the '00 campaign?
>1. the people of new brunswick need and want us to work on winning an
>elected school board. the top result of our 1000 surveys is community
>control over education, so it is our responsiblity to work towards that 
>goal
>given every opportunity. the community will fully embrace our efforts and
>therefor build our organization along the lines of democratic community
>control.
>2. working on the elected school board campaign will pull together all
>of our forces. differences will be argued out in practice through a united
>fashion. currently differences amongst activists are not moving anything
>forward, and the peoples' struggles are not being embraced properly.
>3. in light of the recently released standardized test results new 
>brunswick
>ranks as the worst education system in the county. the only appointed 
>school
>board in the county has the worst education results. that would be big in
>our effort as to expose the appointed board as incompetent, even in the 
>eyes
>of its supporters.
>4. there is no other local campaigns, ie. city council or mayor, so our
>campaign along with the governors race would be the only items on the
>ballot. the city will not be out in full force trying to knock our teeth
>down our throats. this has many benifits and no downfalls:
>I. no confusion amongst voters. only two things for us to explain
>one - vote yes elected school board
>two - vote mcgreasy
>the city would have to work real hard to explain vote no, vote
>mcgreasy.
>II. the democratic city machine will not be allowed to fight us as
>we will be working to defeat the republican candidate for
>governor. mcgreasy can't afford to fight on both fronts, his
>campaign must win and in order to win they must put all their
>energy and resources into defeating the republican candidate.
>(nbpc better work with mcgreasy to defeat the republicans)the
>state democratic apparatus might just hand us the elected school
>board to get us to work harder for mcgreasy, they can't afford
>to lose. thus making this a golden opportunity to win the
>campaign, to not run it would be a tremendous error.
>III. next year 2002 will be a mayoral election as well as two city
>council seats, if we win the elected school board this year,
>it would legitamize any candidates we would run for mayor and
>city council. the campaign for the elected school board would
>be the initial step for our campaign for mayor and city
>council. and even if we lose, it is necessary to keep the
>community and organizers focused on electoral campaigns as the
>way to build.
>IV. how would it look in the democratic county seat if the
>democratic city machine defeated our campaign for an elected
>school board, but mcgreasy lost his campaign for governor. i
>will emphasize, they can't allow that to happen!
>5. we must organize our base back with the youth and get them back
>into organizing in their city. this is an invaluable development of
>the campaign. there was nothing better in last year's campaign then
>the city's youth involvement. and there is no better way to organize
>amongst NB youth then working on a issue that affects them all, their
>schools.
>6. nbpc will only have to gather 1400 petition signatures, i will turn in
>the other 1400. it can be done by august at the rate of 88 signatures a 
>week
>beginning in may. that would break down to - worst case - 8 people from 
>nbpc
>get 11 signatures each, and 8 people from SWORD get 11 signatures each a
>week. but these petitions will go must faster as we already have names and
>addresses of those that signed last year, as well as all those we 
>registered
>to vote last year (these
>would also be valuble resources to have fresh for next years campaign)
>7. if the campaign for an elected school board is run and nbpc does
>not work on it....
>joe smith
> >From: Groovemeister007@... Reply-To:
> >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [nbpc] Reparations and Self-determination Date: Mon, 16 Apr
> >2001 21:39:25 -0000
> >
> >(speaking for myself and not as campaign GC)
> >
> >Joe:
> >
> >I am sorry for the misattribution as to who posted the bigoted Baraka 
>poem.
> >However, I am concerned that you did not join my criticism of bigotry. Do
> >you think Baraka's thoughts as expressed in the poem are valid? Do you
> >think Jim's comments are justified?
> >
> >As for your point about Frank: he supports an elected resident on the
> >housing authority and it was he who introduced a well-written resolution 
>to
> >urge compliance with that which will be voted upon at the next NBHA
> >meeting. What's more, he was the only commissioner to vote against the
> >monumental mistakes that the NBHA is committing with regard to its
> >contracts with TCB. Whatever I may think of Republicans, I do not view
> >Frank's work as the actions of a "theif" [sic] or an enemy of public
> >housing residents.
> >
> >Finally, I have not decided one way or the other on the question of the
> >elected school board campaign. I am interested in hearing your views of 
>the
> >question of why it should be run again in 2001, specifically addressing 
>it
> >in the context of the 2000 campaign. Also, what are your views on whether 
>a
> >referendum for a ward-based instead of at-large council should be run in
> >2001, in addition to or instead of the elected school board question.
> >
> >
> >--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., "joseph smith" wrote: > i did not post the
> >poem by baraka, cliff did. but as far as the spirit of > the campaign, i
> >would like an explaination as to why you are not "entirely > outraged" 
>that
> >bright is a theif that stole what belongs to the people of > public
> >housing. why is it that flavio is always buddying up to him, rather > 
>than
> >being "entirely outraged". who are our friends and who are our > enemies?
> >nbpc is more allied with republicans than the tenants of public > 
>housing.
> >under these relations, the more nbpc works to destabalize the > 
>democratic
> >machine, the more nbpc will strenghten the republican machine. > > i 
>can't
> >relate to your outrage flavio, because you can really care less > about 
>the
> >people of new brunswick and the activists fighting for democratic >
> >community control. this will play out when nbpc votes not to work on the 
> >
> >elected school board campaign april 28. > > joe > >
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check out this article below and remember, bush2 hasn't even made his 
appointment yet. joe


From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [coalitionforjustice] ACLU Press Release 04-24-01 -- Two upreme 
Court Rulings Expand Police Powers a
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:19:27 -0400

ACLU Press Release: 04-24-01 -- Two Supreme Court Rulings Expand Police
Powers and Limit Civil Rights Enforcement

  Two Supreme Court Rulings Expand Police Powers and
  Limit Civil Rights Enforcement
  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
  Tuesday, April 24, 2001


   WASHINGTON--In a narrow 5-4 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court today aid that 
people stopped for minor offenses punishable only by a fine, suh as not 
using seatbelts or jaywalking, can be subject to a full-scalepolice arrest 
including handcuffs, booking and jail.

   A divided court also made it harder to enforce the nation's civil rights 
laws, ruling that any recipients of federal funding, including states, 
schools and colleges, may not be sued for policies that have a 
discriminatory effect on blacks, Latinos or other minorities.

   The American Civil Liberties Union, which filed friend-of-the-court 
briefs in both cases, called the rulings a blow to civil liberties and 
warned that the decisions may have dire consequences for the nation�s people 
of color.

   �In one fell swoop, the Court has both increased the potential for racial 
profiling and diminished 30 years of civil rights law designed to protect 
victims of discrimination,� said Steven R. Shapiro, legal director of the 
ACLU.

   At issue in the police arrest case, Atwater v. Lago Vista, No. 99-1948, 
was whether someone who is charged with a misdemeanor that is punishable 
only by a fine, not jail time, could be arrested and jailed prior to 
conviction at the sole discretion of a police officer.

   The case involved a Texas �soccer mom� who is white; but in its legal 
brief, the ACLU warned that giving the police such discretionary authority 
too often represents an open invitation to racial profiling of African 
American, Latino and other minority motorists.

   Indeed, noted Justice Sandra Day O�Connor, author of the dissenting 
opinion, �as the recent debate over racial profiling demonstrates all too 
clearly, a relatively minor traffic infraction may often serve as an excuse 
for stopping and harassing an individual.�

   Susan Herman, author of the ACLU brief and a professor at Brooklyn Law 
School, said that the case had offered the Justices an opportunity to 
address the critical question of whether there are any objective limitations 
on the power to arrest. But instead of setting much-needed boundaries on 
police authority, �the Court settled for no limits at all,� she said.

   In Alexander v. Sandoval, No. 99-1908, the Court barred private 
individuals from filing lawsuits under the 1964 Civil Rights Act contending 
that federally funded programs are operated in a way that discriminates, in 
practice, on the basis of race or ethnic background.
>
>   The court rejected a lawsuit by a group of non-English-speaking 
>motorists in Alabama, who contended that a state motor vehicle policy of 
>giving driver's license tests only in English has the effect of 
>discriminating on the basis of ethnic background.
>
>   �With today�s ruling,� the ACLU�s Shapiro said, �the Court has turned 
>back the clock on three decades of civil rights enforcement."
>
>   �For more than a quarter-century, laws forbidding discrimination in 
>federally assisted programs or activities have been a mainstay of national 
>civil rights policy,� Shapiro said. �Congress clearly intended to allow 
>such lawsuits under the 1964 Act.�
>
>   Even the majority recognized that such lawsuits are appropriate to 
>combat intentional discrimination, but outlawed their use to challenge 
>programs that have a discriminatory effect, he explained.
>
>   In light of today�s Supreme Court decision, Shapiro said, �Congress must 
>act once again to ensure that victims of discrimination can have their day 
>in court."
>
>   "More than ever,� he added, "the burden is now on the Department of 
>Justice and other federal agencies to ensure that federal tax dollars are 
>not used to support this kind of discrimination.�
>
>   The ACLU's legal brief in the Atwater case is online at: 
>http://www.aclu.org/court/atwater.html. The Sandoval legal brief is 
>available at: http://www.aclu.org/court/sandoval.pdf.
>
>
>
>Copyright 2001, The American Civil Liberties Union

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For march on trenton may 16. this is sound training for other 
marches/rallies/protesets. the training is free and is being instructed by a 
professional marshall (march guide/security) trainer.

joe


From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
To: <poprogress@egroups.com>, <coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Responsibilities of Marshals
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:00:53 -0400

We need a lot of marshals to guide the 4 columns of marchers. We need you. 
Last marshal training session at CWA in Trenton at 9:30AM, this Sat --- 321 
W. State Street. Bring your male or female body and brain.  The training, 
including role-playing, is really worthwhile and necessary. Here's my 
summary of some of what was taught.

Howard

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For information.
JoeMosley


>From: indpol@...
>Reply-To: indpol@...
>To: ippn-announce@...
>Subject: [IPPN]  On Winning Hearts and Minds
>Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:38:08 -0400
>
>Future Hope column, April 23, 2001
>
>
>On Winning Hearts and Minds
>
>by Ted Glick
>
>A year ago, on April 17th, 2000, I wrote a Future Hope column which
>likened both the forms of action and the relative organizational
>coherence of the April 16th actions in D.C. against the IMF/World Bank
>to a regular army without violent weapons, a "non-violent army." After
>being in the middle of the April 20 (and A21 and A22) Day(s) of Direct
>Action against the FTAA in Quebec City, I think some questions must be
>raised and addressed as to if that description is still accurate, and
>the political implications.
>
>Make no mistake about it: the battle we are waging against the global
>capitalist order is a political battle, first and foremost, far and
>away. It is not a military battle because if it were we'd be snuffed out
>in a New York minute. It's not an economic battle because, even with all
>of our coops and alternative economic institutions, as important as they
>are, our "economy" will never just grow and grow to the point at which
>the corporate economy is supplanted; it's not in the cards. Our primary
>work, the touchstone of all of our discussions concerning tactics, must
>be about winning the hearts and minds of literally tens of millions of
>North Americans. It is only that broad base of support, out of which can
>grow a bigger and bigger movement of organizers and activists, which
>will make the changes we seek possible.
>
>Based upon my experiences in Quebec City, as well as in D.C.,
>Philadelphia and Los Angeles last year, I don't think all of those
>involved in this righteous struggle share the view that it is primarily
>political, that we need to develop and adjust tactics with the hearts
>and minds of those tens of millions in the forefront of our thinking.
>I'm referring specifically to many-not all, but many, it seems-of those
>who are commonly seen as making up the Black Bloc.
>
>Don't get me wrong. I view the Black Bloc and individual members I know
>as friends and allies. As I have gotten to know some of them
>individually over the past year, I have come to respect their
>commitment, their courage, their willingness to be on the front lines in
>the confrontations with the police and the military. I cheered on April
>20th in Quebec City when young people (all young men, from what I
>observed), often dressed in black and wearing gas masks and insulated
>gloves, repeatedly pounced on the tear gas canister shells shot by the
>police and hurled or kicked them back from whence they came. When one
>young person dressed in black, standing 10 feet from me, was hit
>directly by a canister and knocked in great pain to the ground, so badly
>hurt that he had to be carried away by others, the angry language I used
>would not have made my parents proud.
>
>Yet I saw other things involving Black Bloc members.
>
>After our huge march arrived at the Wall of Shame close to the FTAA
>meeting site, and after portions of the fence were torn down and tear
>gas began to be used, I watched as young men on the front lines threw
>snowballs, bottles, sticks and stones at heavily padded police guarding
>the now-open area. As the battle went on, it turned uglier, and not just
>on the police side. Our front-line warriors picked up foot square paving
>stones, broke them in half and threw these chunks at the cops. I saw
>none do any observable damage; the cops' clear plastic shields, and
>their helmets and padding, seemed to frustrate any direct hits. But what
>if there had been direct hits?
>
>Early the following morning, during a temporary lull in the battle for
>control of the hilltop plaza close to the FTAA meeting site, I checked
>out the situation. I took a picture of the area where the paving stones
>had been picked up and broken. As I did so a man who talked and looked
>as if he were a local Quebec City resident said to me, "Those stones
>could have badly hurt one of the police, and what if he were a father?"
>I agreed with him, while also commenting on the violence of the FTAA.
>
>Or what about this: toward the end of the afternoon, I watched as a
>young man from within our ranks, without gas mask, bandana or any other
>protection, courageously moved within ten feet of the police lines at
>one point, saying something to them, then turned to walk back to where
>hundreds of people were sitting. Before he got back he was hit by a
>large stone with a glancing blow to the side of the head. The stone was
>thrown at the police by one of us, someone who had little common sense
>and a not very accurate arm. The young man who was hit staggered for a
>few yards, then sank to the ground. He had to be helped away by others.
>
>And others have told me about seeing the use of molotov cocktails by
>those from within our ranks. Whether these were Black Bloc'ers or agent
>provocateurs is unknown.
>
>Which brings us back to the "hearts and minds" issue.
>
>It may be that individual Black Bloc'ers wouldn't have been bothered if
>serious injury had been done to one of the cops as a result of their
>actions. I don't think that is a good thing, but I can at least
>understand it. But they should care if the tactics they use are directly
>responsible for injury to those of us who are also out there putting our
>bodies on the line, and they should care about the effect of their
>tactics on those broad masses of working-class people who know little
>about either the FTAA or us and who, unfortunately, rely on the
>corporate media for their information. And although we don't control
>that media, we can have some influence over how and what they report
>depending upon what tactics we use.
>
>I can just hear what some would say in response: pacifism and
>non-violence aren't militant enough. We can't trust the media. We need
>to kick ass, let them know of our anger, provide an example to oppressed
>people of willingness to fight the agents of repression.
>
>I think of something Dave Dellinger once said about non-violence. He was
>referring to the Cuban Revolution, and he described it as "essentially
>non-violent," even though Fidel, Che and his compatriots were armed and
>attacked the military forces of the Batista dictatorship. Dave explained
>this by talking about how, after a battle, the Cuban revolutionaries
>would take care of the wounded Batista soldiers, bandage up their
>wounds, encourage them to support the revolutionary cause. Although
>armed, they understood that their struggle was primarily political, and
>they did not have a macho, militaristic mindset.
>
>Che Guevera himself, according to an article by Dellinger in a recent
>issue of Toward Freedom, is quoted as saying that in the U.S., "the most
>heavily armed nation in the world. . . the only way to succeed was
>through nonviolent protests, including civil disobedience."
>
>And look at the Zapatistas! This is a present-day example of a movement
>that understands clearly the limits of violence and use of arms, that
>comprehends at the core of their being the overwhelmingly political
>essence of their struggle and acts accordingly.
>
>But we don't have to look beyond our shores for examples of militant
>alternatives to Black Bloc tactics. All we have to do is look at what
>was really the most impressive and politically powerful-if it could get
>through the media spin of "violent protests"-aspect of the FTAA battles
>this past weekend: the heroic, unarmed, non-violent persistence of the
>overwhelming majority of the direct actionists.
>
>For upwards of four hours on A20 we held onto significant portions of
>the Boulevard Rene Levesque hilltop plaza area. Despite repeated use of
>tear gas, and though we often had to retreat, thousands of us kept
>coming back. We kept moving closer and closer to police lines, using the
>weapons of non-violent mobility, music, drumming, frisbee-playing, to
>reclaim, little by little, lost ground. One police line area, near
>Avenue Turnbull, was essentially taken by us through the use of these
>tactics. It was at this point, around 6 P.M., that the police must have
>decided that more was needed from their side, and they unleashed a
>massive barrage of tear gas while advancing with dogs to force us off
>the plaza and down into the side streets.
>
>How did we accomplish this limited, tactical victory of holding at least
>some of the plaza all afternoon?
>
>1) We had massive numbers, in the many thousands, possibly as many as
>20,000 people at the height of the action.
>2) Many of those thousands were organized into affinity groups that had
>gone through training in non-violent action.
>3) There were people willing and prepared to risk themselves by
>immediately picking up the tear gas canisters and throwing them away
>from our ranks, minimizing the tear gas effects. And there were people
>willing to go up to the front and tear down the fence, risking arrest or
>police attacks.
>4) There were medics available to help with injuries, and there was a
>spirit of cooperation and mutual support within our ranks when someone
>was injured.
>5) There was extensive media presence with lots of cameras.
>6) We had drummers, whistlers, musicians, chants, radical cheerleaders,
>dancers, frisbee players and flags and banners to keep our spirits up.
>
>None of these elements involved violence against people.
>
>We need to look a little more deeply into this question of non-violence
>as it applies to our movement against global capitalism.
>
>As I have observed and experienced it, non-violence can mean one of
>several things:
>
>It can be a lifestyle, a conscious effort to, as much as humanly
>possible, make one's day-to-day thoughts, actions and living patterns do
>no damage, physical, emotional or spiritual, to any living thing. This
>means everything from refusing to engage in physical fighting, to
>serious reflection on racism, sexism, heterosexism, class privilege and
>other forms of domination/oppression, to vegetarianism and veganism. The
>aim is to practice what we preach, in a wholistic way, to be a
>love-and-life-centered person.
>
>It can have to do mainly with the tactics used in campaigns and
>movements for social change, as referred to above.
>
>Or it can be seen as a strategy for revolutionary change, THE way that,
>over time, we will overcome and replace an unjust and oppressive social
>order. Alternative economic institutions, boycotts, strikes, non-violent
>direct action are the main ways this would happen.
>
>It is important that we separate out these different aspects of what
>people mean when they say "non-violence." It is important because we
>need clarity when we are discussing the question at hand, how to win the
>hearts and minds of millions.
>
>Personally, I don't see "non-violence," non-violence alone, as a
>potentially winning strategy. There is much more that we have to be
>about, including the formation of an alternative to the Democrats and
>Republicans, one which runs independent candidates and is grounded in
>and accountable to grassroots, broadly-based social movements. On the
>other hand, I do believe that we should all be striving to become as
>non-violent as possible in the way we live our personal lives, and I
>believe that, in the United States context, creative, militant, mobile,
>non-violent direct action is the appropriate set of tactics we should be
>using in situations like A20.
>
>What might this have meant in Quebec City? What if, in advance, there
>had been an agreement that only those types of tactics would have been
>acceptable? What might have happened?
>
>The fence would have been torn down. Non-violence, to me, does not
>foreclose a limited amount of focused property destruction. Some
>property should not exist or should not be used in the ways it is.
>
>In response to the police use of tear gas, instead of throwing
>increasingly dangerous projectiles at them, we would have done what we
>did later in the afternoon: throw the tear gas back, hold our ground as
>much as possible, come back from the tear gas attacks, use creative
>tactics like music and dancing to "calm the savage beasts" in their
>Darth Vader uniforms, and get up close to police lines. We would have
>talked to the cops-and been overheard by the many reporters and
>cameramen swarming all around-about why we were there, how they also
>stood to gain from our efforts to prevent the destruction of our
>environment and to end poverty and starvation. If those would have
>worked, at some point we might have begun moving in an organized way to
>attempt to push through those lines, determining the best place to do so
>based upon the responses we were getting from the other side. If, for
>example, one of the police smiled at us, or indicated in some other way
>a sympathy for what we were saying, that would probably be the place
>where we would make our first effort to deliberately break through.
>
>Almost certainly, once we did this, or before things got to this point,
>those higher up in the police would react. They might well react
>aggressively, either arresting or beating us. They might use tear gas in
>massive quantities, although they would be somewhat constrained by the
>mass media being so close. Indeed, they would probably have difficulty
>deciding what to do. Whatever they did, they would be seen as the "bad
>guys." More than likely, a good bit of the media spin would be not about
>"violent protests" but, instead, "violent cops."
>
>Throwing dangerous stones, glass and sand-filled bottles, molotov
>cocktails, using sling shots-these are tactics our enemy welcomes.
>Indeed, it is an established fact that historically, agent provocateurs
>have infiltrated movements like ours and done whatever they could to get
>the rest of us to use violent tactics. This allows them to more easily
>obscure our message, come across as anti-violence themselves.
>
>Disciplined, militant, creative, non-violent tactics, in contrast, make
>it much more likely that our basic message will not be as distorted. We
>will gain more sympathy from neutral observers who will want to learn
>more as they see us being willing to face tear gas, pepper spray, water
>cannons, plastic bullets, arrests, beatings, dogs, horses or whatever
>else the rulers decide to use. Less militant and partial allies will be
>emboldened to speak up and take stronger action themselves.
>
>What does this mean as far as our relations with the groups/individuals
>who make up or relate to the Black Bloc?
>
>We need to separate our personal friendships with individuals within
>this sector of our movement from our strategic and tactical views of
>what is necessary if we are to be ultimately effective in our
>objectives. Families have internal differences, even fights, and they
>still stay together. They work out arrangements.
>
>But we do need more conscious back-and-forth over these questions:
>
>-How can we convince tens of millions of people of the justice of our
>cause?
>-How can we integrate growing numbers of those tens of millions into our
>organizations and actions?
>-How can we build upon our tactical experiences since Seattle and make
>adjustments?
>-Is mimicking the tactics of the U.S. military and police consistent
>with the goals we have, the new society we are striving to bring into
>being?
>-How should those of us who believe that, yes, a "non-violent army" is
>what we need get ourselves connected so that our views can be put out
>more broadly within the overall movement?
>-How should we relate to the Black Bloc?
>
>
>Quebec City was a victory for our movement. It could have been a bigger
>victory, but it was a victory.  Bush, Cretien, Fox and their ilk were on
>the defensive because of the hard work of thousands of people and the
>depth of support for our basic message. But this was only one battle in
>an on-going war. Before the next battle, let's check ourselves out. The
>need is urgent.
>
>
>Ted Glick is the National Coordinator of the Independent Progressive
>Politics Network (www.ippn.org) and author of Future Hope: A Winning
>Strategy for a Just Society. He can be reached at futurehopeTG@...
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DATE: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:07:52
From: jeff genauer <je_genauer@...>
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starc-rutgers@yahoogroups.com

My heart goes out to all who are risking their bodies for justice and
freedom in Quebec. Congratulations, you succeeded in disrupting the first
day of the FTAA! More to come tomorrow!

An important aside: A prominent organizer named Jaggi Singh was singled out
as a "leader" of the protests and captured by undercover Canadian police. He
was pulled from a crowd and dragged away. At this point, his whereabouts are
not known. Jaggi was one of the organizers from Quebec who presented the
anti-FTAA teach-in at Rutgers on February 26. In addition to being an
amazingly knowledgeable and dedicated organizer, he's an incredibly
compassionate and genuine person. It's sick that he would be targeted. If I
receive any information about things we can do to support him and get him
freed, I'll send it along ...

xoxo
jeff

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"Bush remained holed up in his hotel as the summit's opening
ceremonies were delayed more than an hour. He was forced to
cancel one meeting and postpone or abbreviate others...
The participating nations were determined to avoid a repeat
of the disturbances that marred the 1999 meeting of the
World Trade Organization in Seattle, but the summit's first
day was badly disrupted....
  >From Washington today came an announcement that some
protesters might welcome.  U.S. Trade Representative Robert
Zoellick announced that the Bush administration will subject
future trade agreements to environmental reviews."



Protesters Seize Day In Quebec
Trade Foes Tear Gassed At Summit of Americas

By Dana Milbank
   Washington Post Staff Writer
   Saturday, April 21, 2001; Page A01

QUEBEC CITY, April 20 -- President Bush and 33 other Western
Hemisphere leaders seeking to build the world's largest
free-trade zone opened a summit meeting today as clouds of
tear gas and violent demonstrations played havoc with
schedules and delayed meetings.

Bush remained holed up in his hotel as the summit's opening
ceremonies were delayed more than an hour. He was forced to
cancel one meeting and postpone or abbreviate others because
the movements of heads of state around Quebec City were
hampered by the anti-globalization protests.

"If they are protesting because of free trade, I'd say I
disagree," Bush said. "I think trade is very important to
this hemisphere. Trade not only helps spread propserity but
trade helps spread freedom."

In the lobby of the Loews Hotel, confusion reigned, as Bush
aides scrambled to keep track of the changing schedule while
watching the riots on television. Colombian President Andres
Pastrana waited out the delays in the cocktail lounge.

Bush departed Washington this morning hoping to use the
Summit of the Americas to boost his push for "trade
promotion authority," or fast-track negotiating authority,
which would allow him to negotiate trade agreements that
Congress could only approve or reject, not rewrite.

Bush would use that power to negotiate a 34-nation Free
Trade Area of the Americas by 2005 -- a goal made difficult
by foot-dragging in Brazil and opposition in Congress.
Setting the countries on track toward that objective is the
main business of this summit

On the South Lawn of the White House, Bush made an appeal
for domestic support for free trade in the hemisphere by
citing its importance to Hispanics, an increasingly
influential voting segment.

"Many Americans trace their heritage to other parts of the
Americas, which enriches our culture," he said. "Many
American businesses are finding growth and trade in the
Americas, which expands our economy. And all Americans have
an interest in the peace and stability of our closest
neighbors."

"We must approach this goal in a spirit of civility," he
said.

In Quebec City today, however, there was very little
civility as police and demonstrators clashed a half mile
from the convention center where the summit was convening.

There were few reports of arrests or injuries, but the
demonstrators partially achieved their goal of disrupting
events.

The center of the city remained tense tonight, with very
little traffic and officers in military fatigues stationed
on most corners.

The authorities had sealed off the city center with fences
and concrete barricades, but demonstrators breached the
barricades in places.

The participating nations were determined to avoid a repeat
of the disturbances that marred the 1999 meeting of the
World Trade Organization in Seattle, but the summit's first
day was badly disrupted.

  >From Washington today came an announcement that some
protesters might welcome.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick announced that the
Bush administration will subject future trade agreements to
environmental reviews.

The decision, which could ease some objection to trade pacts
in the United States, affirms an executive order issued by
President Clinton.

It is the latest in a string of pro-environment decisions by
the Bush administration, which had been stung by
environmentalists' anger caused by earlier, pro-business
decisions.

"Environmental reviews are an important policy tool for
involving the public in the development of the U.S.
government's trade objectives and policies," Zoellick's
office said in a statement.

The president, who watched the protests on television,
canceled a meeting with 15 Caribbean heads of state because
many of the leaders couldn't make it to the Loews Concord
Hotel where Bush was to host them.

A meeting of Andean national leaders started 20 minutes late
and without Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso
and Bolivian President Hugo Banzer Suarez.

Only three of seven Central American leaders arrived close
to schedule for a meeting with Bush, which had to be
delayed.

Even without the demonstrations, the summit was not shaping
up as an easy one.

Cardoso of Brazil set a tough tone in a speech at the
opening session, underlining his country's reluctance to
join a free-trade accord with the U.S.

"We will insist that free-trade benefits should be equally
shared by all participants, that trade opening should be
reciprocal and that it should lead to the attenuation rather
than the aggravation of the disparities that exist in our
region," Cardoso said.

FTAA would be "welcome," Cardoso said, if it included
changes in member nations' rules on dumping, the sale of
foreign products at illegal prices, and if it included a
number of other elements Brazil is seeking to open markets
for its agricultural exports.

"Otherwise, it would be irrelevant or, worse, undesirable,"
he said.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez was also critical. Since
the concept of a free trade zone was endorsed at a summit in
Miami in 1994, he said, "we have advanced very little --
almost not at all -- in the social objectives."

Accompanied by his wife, Laura, Secretary of State Colin L.
Powell and several top aides, Bush was greeted on arrival by
a Canadian military band.

Bush arrived early for a meeting with Canadian Prime
Minister Jean Chretien, and the two posed for the cameras.

When Chretien declared that they wouldn't be taking
questions, Bush added: "Neither in French nor in English nor
in Mexican."

Meeting with the Central American leaders, aides said, Bush
reiterated his opposition to the Kyoto treaty on global
warming, telling them it "could do serious harm to the U.S.
economy." As an alternative, a senior administration
official said, Bush is pursuing "various international
processes to work toward a new and innovative approach based
upon market-based incentives, new technologies and
cooperatively working together."

                                   � 2001 The Washington Post
Company
_______________________

Demonstrators Turn Anger on 'Wall'

By DeNeen L. Brown
   Washington Post Foreign Service
   Saturday, April 21, 2001; Page A01

QUEBEC CITY, April 20 -- What most enraged the demonstrators
was "the wall of shame." Running 2 1/2 miles around the
convention center where the Summit of the Americas was
convening, the hastily erected concrete and chain-link
barrier confirmed to them that they and their views would be
shut out of the deliberations inside.

This afternoon, they got their revenge.

Euphoric crowds of anti-globalization demonstrators marched
to the wall and pushed against it. First a young man scaled
it, and then others began rocking it. Soon an entire section
gave way. The crowd cheered; its most daring members crossed
the boundary into territory officially denied to them.

Some threw bottles and sticks at the waiting riot police. A
few picked up a metal barrier and used it as a battering ram
against a row of helmeted officers.

Police remained calm, throwing canisters of tear gas,
ducking the rocks. Protesters ran as the gas burned their
eyes, noses and skin. But often the wind was in the
protesters' favor, wafting the white clouds of gas back onto
police lines.

The protesters were soon evicted back across the fence line,
but they were happy. "It was a little victory," said one
protester, who earlier was chanting "We are the champions."
The fracas had successfully intruded on the carefully
orchestrated schedule of pomp and consultation inside:
Several of President Bush's meetings with leaders of other
countries were put off, and the opening ceremony was
postponed by an hour.

It was the same basic scene that has erupted in the past two
years wherever government or corporate leaders meet on a big
scale. Seattle, Prague, Davos, Switzerland -- each has drawn
a medley of organizations that contest the world's existing
capitalist order. As in those other places, much of the
violence today was the work of young "anarchists" wearing
masks and black clothing.

Early in the day, hundreds of students met to organize the
movement in basements at Laval University, their main
staging ground. The movement was working overtime. While
world leaders slept, the protesters organized.

"They are afraid of us," one of the demonstrators shouted to
assembled students. "This is why they have 6,000 police. But
we will be heard."

Everyone knew that there would be violence. Demonstrators
talked of which "zone" of protest they'd be in, based on how
gutsy they were willing to be.

The red zone was the front line, for those prepared to fight
by any means, to get arrested, to tear down the wall. Yellow
was a bit farther from the police, for those who favored
nonviolent disobedience but would "offer support" to those
in the red zone. Green was for those who wanted to avoid
conflict.

Over and over, anger was focused on the wall. "This is a
symbol of the struggle -- to have a discussion behind the
wall," said French activist Jose Bove, who's famous in his
home country for his attacks on McDonald's restaurants. "I'm
here to say what is happening in the Americas is important
for people around the world."

By midafternoon, thousands of people had converged at Laval,
chanting "Down with FTAA," the Free Trade Agreement of the
Americas, the pact under discussion at the summit. Finally,
they began to move down Boulevard Laurier toward the old
city. As they marched almost five miles, they seemed to get
more and more angry. "Corporations are liars and thieves,"
one man in a green mask shouted.

Ahead they saw the fence, with riot police in rows behind
it. When the marchers reached what they believed to be the
weakest section -- some had surreptitiously tested its
strength the day before -- they began shouting slogans. The
police stood still. The protesters grew louder, shouting
"So-So-Solidarity." And then they broke through.

In ensuing hours came a general melee. Police threw grenade
after grenade of gas. Anarchists sent many of them arcing
back toward the officers' lines. Some reporters saw them
hurl a few firebombs as well.

Using loudspeakers, police called on demonstrators to leave,
evoking defiant laughter from some of them. Soon arrests
began. Police moved in, grabbing at arms and clothing.
Demonstrators were pressed facedown on the pavement as
police searched and cuffed them.

By late evening, the street battles were still underway,
with police helicopters buzzing overhead. Media vehicles
were parked with smashed windows. For many protesters, this
was just the prelude. Organizers hoped that a march
scheduled for Saturday would draw thousands of new bodies
and voices to the barricades.

                                   � 2001 The Washington Post
Company





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On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the first 
chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street. 
Please email or call me at 732-545-7207, with any questions or for a ride.

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To add a few thoughts to this discussion on police brutality:

     If NB organizers are going to reinvigertate the local focus on 
combating police brutality (beyond the necessary exposure of the recent 
incident involving Rutgers' students & RUPD) then it would be wise to 
explore picking up where the NB Coalition Against Police Brutality left off. 
  Since the call is for democratic control over public institutions, then 
any serious organizing effort around police brutality coming out of the NBPC 
needs to look at the Coalition/NJFO "Right to Know" request.  Submitted over 
two years ago, this was a 9-Point Request based on the NJ Freedom of 
Information Act and Common Law demanding that internal files of the NBPD be 
released to the public.  The demands ranged from general NBPD records to 
paricular cases involving notorious cops & specific incidences.  
Unfortunately, this project stalled out when I left as head of the Coalition 
& moved to Newark; & an effort to renew the call about 10 months ago--when 
NJFO & Coalition members met with Renee Steinhagen, the civil rights 
attorney who is representing a number of black state troopers in their case 
against the State Police & who originally drafted our Right-to-Know 
request--was again allowed to lapse by NJFO organizers who apparently failed 
to see the relavance of this work to the broader struggle for democracy and 
involvement in electoral politics.  (That the city council campaign was run 
as "go-for-broke, drop-everything-else" by NJFO president & campaign manager 
who "knew we weren't going to win" further shows the error in NJFO dropping 
the "Right-to-Know" issue.  But the greatest mistake made is that the 
Coalition was always NJFO's deepest connection to NB's African-American 
working class community, & we still wonder why the NBPC has such difficulty 
in building these ties!)
     In the last year or so, there has been a broad state-wide campaign 
pressing for "Open Books" & "Right-to-Know" of internal local & state 
governmental files before being eclipsed by the racial profiling issue.  So 
I actually disagree with Paul when he says "It does appear we're in an even 
better position to influence the regional and national independent agenda."  
Fact is, NJFO fell off the radar screen with both the Right-to-Know and 
Racial Profiling issue just when we were really in a position to break onto 
a state-wide platform to put out leading positions on these issues. Its 
going to take more than enthusiasm to regain that position. It's going to 
take some consistancy and sticking to a long-term plan when that work may 
not seem to be the most exciting thing in the public spot-light.
     This is not to discourage folks in the NBPC from jumping quickly on 
this issue--to the contrary, it's to encourage people not be so quick to 
jump off.  So while this would be an important topic of conversation at 
NJFO's organizing workshop, I would suggest that if "activists of any stripe 
will learn from years of local experience", as Paul asserts, then the 
"organizing-workshop" organizers need to teach by example by learning from 
our own mistakes as well...& not lead others to repeat them.

Matthew Smith


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Subject: [nbpcmembers] police brutality and organizing the larger struggle
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:57:50 -0000
I just wanted to add a few words to the posts regarding NBPD beating up
Rutgers students. If RU students want to take action against police
brutality, there are many ways to do so. They range from letters to the
editor, to making character posters of rogue cops and posting them all over
town, to organizing victims for a class action suit, (something a lawyer
once suggested to me).
I think Charlotte's suggestion for a brutality pamphlet is a good one, and
timely too. It seems that the debate over brutality has been co-opted into
a debate over "profiling", a much more innocuous subject. While profiling
is usually racist and always despicable, it doesn't imply the gross
violation of rights that brutality conveys.
I think people need to focus on both subjects, with an important goal being
community control, as we've said in NB for years.
The NB activist community, lead by the NB Coalition Against Police
Brutality, has lead the effort to make the call for civilian, elected police
review boards. We've demanded these locally for years, and eventually
people all over the tri-state area picked up on the idea!!! It took a lot of
arguing, but people finally saw the usefulness and democratic power these
boards represent.
Now, as the People's Campaign grows and matures, we're in an even better
position to influence the regional and national independent agenda by
translating our political successes into programmatic calls for democratic
control over public institutions, or "people's democracy".
People with interest in exploring these topics and other related topics
should plan to attend the organizing workshop planned for May 12 and 13th.
NJFO is sponsoring the workshop, and activists of any stripe will learn from
years of local experience and will have a chance to share their skills as
well. It'll be fun and dynamic, and we plan to throw a party on Saturday
night (the 12th).
For more info, reply to this email or call me at 732-729-0873.
Paul McGee
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hey lou,

how's it going?

just wanted you to know i spoke with X about the njfo phone. the Campaign is 
now taking responsibility for it. Alyssa Coiley will be calling you to 
transfer it to her name. i think both of you need to be on the phone to do 
that with Verizon.

also, he paid $50 towards it yesterday. The campaign will pay for the rest 
of the balance...

kristina


>From: "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] pedagogy of the oppressed discussion
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:38:11 -0400
>
>
>On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the 
>first
>chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street.
>Please email or call me at 732-545-7207, with any questions or for a ride.
>
>Louise
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SORRY about the phone bill message... sent it by accident!!


>From: "Louise Ammentorp" <lknesta@...>
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: njfo@egroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpc] pedagogy of the oppressed discussion
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:38:11 -0400
>
>
>On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the 
>first
>chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street.
>Please email or call me at 732-545-7207, with any questions or for a ride.
>
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HI everyone, sorry about the late notice, but I got to cancel tonite, I will let
you know when we will reschedule.
Louise

Louise Ammentorp wrote:

> On this Sunday April 30 at 630 there will be a discussion group of the first
> chapter in Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed at 136 Baldwin Street.
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>
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>
>        >President George W. Bush is visiting an elementary school
>        >today and he visits one of the classes (4th grade I believe).
>        >They are in the middle of a discussion related to words and
>        >their meanings. The teacher asks the President if he would
>        >like to lead the class in the discussion of the word, "
>        tragedy."
>        >So our illustrious leader asks the class for an example of
>        >a "tragedy."
>        >
>        >One little boy stands up and offers, "If my best friend, who
>        lives
>        >next door, is playing in the street and a car comes along and
>        >runs him over, that would be a tragedy."
>        >
>        >"No," says Bush, "that would be an ACCIDENT."
>        >
>        >A little girl raises her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50
>        >children drove off a cliff, killing everyone involved, that
>        would
>        >be a tragedy."
>        >
>        >"I'm afraid not," explains the President. "That's what we
>        would
>        >call a GREAT LOSS."
>        >
>        >The room goes silent. No other children volunteer.President
>        >Bush searches the room. "Isn't there someone here who can
>        >give me an example of a tragedy?"
>        >
>        >Finally, way in the back of the room, Lil' Johnny raises his
>        hand.
>        >In a quiet voice he says, "If Air Force One, carrying
>        President
>        >and Mrs Bush, was struck by a missile and blown up to
>        >smithereens, that would be a  tragedy.
>        >
>        >"Fantastic," exclaims Bush, "that's right. And can you tell me
>        >WHY that would be a tragedy?"
>        >
>        >"Well," Lil' Johnny said, "because it wouldn't be an accident,
>        >and it  damn sure wouldn't be a great loss."
>
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From: "ken nash" <knash@...>
To: "Nash, Ken" <KNash@...>
Subject: [FRIENDSWBAINJ] MAY DAY CONCERT AND MOBILIZATION
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:19:25 -0400

MAY  DAY  2001
come  and  celebrate  in historic  Union  Square  Park
with  a  multi-cultural  concert  and  poetry  recital...

--New  Yorican  agit-prop  rockers
RICANSTRUCTION

--revolutionary  saxophonist/composer
FRED  HO

--roots  folksinger
ANNE  FEENEY

--"The  Billy  Bragg  of NY" (LA  Times)
KIRK  KELLY

--topical  songwriter
RAY  KORONA

--Uruguayan  vocalist
MARIANA MURDOCCO

--Labor-Left  troubadors
RED  NOVEMBER

--radical  poets
BREAD  IS  RISING  POETRY  COLLECTIVE

--Peruvian  vocalist
RENZO  ORTEGA

emcee/organizer   John  Pietaro
______________________
...and  then  stay  and  join  us  in   a  rally  and  march  for  WORKERS'
RIGHTS!
*
Tues. 5/1/01
Noon - 3:30  PM
Union  Square  Park, north  entrance, NYC
*
presented  by  the  New  York  Committee  for  Public  Works  Jobs,
The  Organizing  Committee  for  Workers'  Rights, and  the
National  Committee  for  Dignity  and  Amnesty

WORKERS  OF  THE  WORLD----UNITE!


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Joe,

It is Monday, April 30, 2001, and there's no Latino Flyers at CWA office. �I 
have called Ray's office twice with no luck of her (Ray) getting back to me.  
Trenton TLC has my email address, home telephone # and home address and so 
does the platform committee.  Did the Latino flyer disappear fro earth?

Several weeks ago I was asked to coordinate the Southward of Trenton for 
marchers and parking.  I have done that.  Several weeks ago I was asked to 
coordinate the Latino Media, I have done that by way of a Latino Press 
Advisory.  On May 16, 2001, there will be several prominent Latino News 
Network at the NJ State House.  Several weeks ago I was asked to help put 
together a Latino Flyer, I have done that.  Now I read press articles and in 
no place does a Latino organization appears as a sponsor.  What happen to my 
organization (PROS) prior work with the Coalition and other Latino 
organization work.  I'm very upset at the Coalition for Justice, because it 
has ignored the Latino community and this is not good.

Respectfully,
Juan Martinez








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i do not understand the need for you to e-mail all these groups and people 
about you not getting the flier. what do they have to do with it? the flier 
is mine and maura and your concern and we all took care of our 
respnsibilities with it. you should continue to call ray and go by the cwa 
office because she told me that she was going to make it available for you 
to pick up if she wasn't there.

joe


>From: senormart@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: can_bush@..., cliffsmith69@..., JeanRoss55@..., 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, howardnelson@..., 
>sisterhoodNstruggle1@..., tamaradahan@..., 
>nita_08901@..., sherryRT@..., 
>cfpa@...
>Subject: [nbpc] Coalition for Justice has ignored the Latino community
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:23 EDT
>
>Joe,
>
>It is Monday, April 30, 2001, and there's no Latino Flyers at CWA office. 
>�I
>have called Ray's office twice with no luck of her (Ray) getting back to 
>me.
>Trenton TLC has my email address, home telephone # and home address and so
>does the platform committee.  Did the Latino flyer disappear fro earth?
>
>Several weeks ago I was asked to coordinate the Southward of Trenton for
>marchers and parking.  I have done that.  Several weeks ago I was asked to
>coordinate the Latino Media, I have done that by way of a Latino Press
>Advisory.  On May 16, 2001, there will be several prominent Latino News
>Network at the NJ State House.  Several weeks ago I was asked to help put
>together a Latino Flyer, I have done that.  Now I read press articles and 
>in
>no place does a Latino organization appears as a sponsor.  What happen to 
>my
>organization (PROS) prior work with the Coalition and other Latino
>organization work.  I'm very upset at the Coalition for Justice, because it
>has ignored the Latino community and this is not good.
>
>Respectfully,
>Juan Martinez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Chant for May Day
To be read by a Workman with, for background, the rhythmic waves of 
rising and re-rising Mass Voices, multiplying like the roar of the sea.

     WORKER:	The first of May:
			When the flowers break through the earth,
			When the sap rises in the trees.
			When the birds come back from the South.
			Workers:
			Be like the flowers,
  10 VOICES:	Bloom in the strength of your unknown 
			power,
  20 VOICES:	Grow out of the passive earth,
  40 VOICES:	Grow strong with Union,
			All hands together�
	  	  	To beautify this hour, this spring,
 			And all the springs to come.
  50 VOICES: 	Forever for the Workers!
     WORKER:	Workers:
  10 VOICES:	Be like the sap rising in the trees,
  20 VOICES:	Strengthening each branch,
  40 VOICES:	No part neglected�
  50 VOICES:	Reaching all the world,
     WORKER:	All workers:
  10 VOICES:	White workers,
  10 OTHERS:	Black workers,
  10 OTHERS:	Yellow workers,
  10 OTHERS: 	Workers in the islands of the sea�
  50 VOICES:	Life is everywhere for you,
     WORKER:	When the sap of your own strength rises
  50 VOICES:	Life is everywhere.
  10 VOICES:	May Day!
  20 VOICES:	May Day!
  40 VOICES:	May Day!
  50 VOICES:	When the earth is new,
     WORKER:	Proletarians of all the world:
  20 VOICES:	Arise,
  40 VOICES:	Grow strong.
  60 VOICES:	Take Power,
  80 VOICES:	Till the forces of the earth are yours
 100 VOICES:	From this hour.

By Langston Hughes

>Speak Out to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality!!
>
>May 1, 2001 Brower Commons
>Tuesday 11:00-1:00
>
>Speak out is being organized to raise student consciousness and
>organization to defend our local communities & state from White
>Supremacist Imperialist aggression known as Racist Profiling. Any
>creative forms of expression are encouraged to destroy these
>outright fascist tendencies. Also we are working to promote March on
>Trenton May 16 to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality.
>We must also work to expose Rutgers University President Francis
>Lawrence who made public his white supremacist agenda in '96 when he
>stated that "black people are genetically inferior to whites..." as
>to why they are not emitted into Rutgers on an equal basis as
>whites. Many current students where not attending rutgers when these
>remarks were made, so it is now our job to have this man fired from
>OUR diverse university.
>
>Speakers currently include:
>Larry Hamm - Peoples' Organization for Progress, Newark
>Joseph Mosley - Chair NJ Green Party
>Tom Degloma - New Brunswick Peoples' Campaign
>Jerusalam - Divine Immortal Family
>Joe Smith - Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality
>Margaret Stevens - James Dickson CARR Society
>Juanita - Paul Robeson Cultural Club
>
>More Speakers Welcome!!
>
>To help with this event people must forward this e-mail, distribute
>literature, call friends and radio shows, announce at other
>events... to get literature or for any info contact joe smith
>729-0390 or can_bush@...
>
>
>
>

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>Subject: Re: [njfo] Re: people v. imperialism
>Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:45:18 -0400 (EDT)
>
>LIARS, FAKE AND SUPERFICIAL PEOPLE, JEALOUSY, AND PEOPLE WHO TAKE
>ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS
>TRACY FORD
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--- Ro Reinke <rreinke@...> wrote:
> From: "Ro Reinke" <rreinke@...>
> To: "Carole Bouchard" <caroleb@...>,
>    "Betty Jean Thompson" <thompson@...>,
>    "Teresa Carmody" <Teresa_Carmody@...>,
>    "Julie Jean Poulos" <juliepoulos@...>
> CC: <kendra@...>, "Joanne Peachwall" <Phantomcrystals@...>
> Subject: Fw: "The Wolves Within"
> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:17:58 -0400
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DALE EVERETT <lovewolves_2000@...>
> To: Mandy Hughs <mandygirl247@...>; Bonnie Worthington
> <bleew53@...>; Myra <msmyraus@...>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:49 AM
> Subject: "The Wolves Within"
> 
> 
> > "The Wolves Within"
> >
> >   An old Grandfather, whose grandson came to him
> >   with anger at a schoolmate who had done him an
> >   injustice, said, "Let me tell you a story. I too, at
> >   times, have felt a great hate for those that have
> >   taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do.
> >   But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your
> >   enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your
> >   enemy would die. I have struggled with these
> >   feelings many times."
> >
> >   He continued, "It is as if there are two wolves
> >   inside me; one is good and does no harm. He lives
> >   in harmony with all around him and does not take
> >   offense when no offense was intended. He will only
> >   fight when it is right to do so, and in the right
> > way."
> >
> >   "But the other wolf, ah! He is full of anger. The
> >   littlest thing will set him into a fit of temper. He
> >   fights everyone, all the time, for no reason. He
> >   cannot think because his anger and hate are so
> >   great. It is hard to live with these two wolves
> > inside
> >   me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit."
> >
> >   The boy looked intently into his Grandfather's eyes
> >   and asked, "Which one wins, Grandfather?" The
> >   Grandfather solemnly said, "The one I feed."
> >
> >   Author Unknown
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Look To The Stars and Howl.
> >
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*********** "The shooting took place at 22nd Street and 18th Avenue, only a 
block from where [Officer] Mildon shot and killed another driver four years 
ago during a traffic stop that turned into a struggle. A grand jury in that 
case determined there was no cause for action against Mildon." **********


Irvington cop kills driver in road stop

05/01/01

BY WAYNE WOOLLEY, KEVIN C. DILWORTH AND JOE MALINCONICO
STAR-LEDGER STAFF




An Irvington police officer shot and killed a 29-year-old Newark man 
yesterday morning after authorities say the unarmed man tried to flee a 
traffic stop while driving his girlfriend's daughters to school.


Irvington police said the officer, William Mildon, approached Bilal Colbert 
in a drug-infested neighborhood near the Newark-Irvington border at 8:25 
a.m. after he determined that the gray Oldsmobile that Colbert was driving 
had a stolen license plate.


Colbert, who witnesses say was parked at the corner while one of the girls 
ran into a nearby bodega to get snacks on the way to school, put the car in 
reverse after Mildon swung open the driver's door, according to Irvington 
police.


Irvington Police Chief Steven Palamara said Mildon was struck by the open 
door as Colbert backed away and that the officer fired a single shot that 
hit Colbert in the neck.


The shooting took place at 22nd Street and 18th Avenue, only a block from 
where Mildon shot and killed another driver four years ago during a traffic 
stop that turned into a struggle. A grand jury in that case determined there 
was no cause for action against Mildon.


The Essex County Prosecutor's Office said a grand jury would decide whether 
yesterday's shooting was justified. No weapons were found at the scene or in 
Colbert's car, according to the prosecutor's office.


Palamara said preliminary indications were that the shooting was justified 
and that he would not second-guess Mildon's decision to fire. Colbert was 
black; Mildon is white.


"These decisions are made in a heartbeat," Palamara said. "When something 
like this happens, it has to be an automatic response. You just hope your 
training and common sense takes over."


Essex County Assistant Prosecutor Lawrence Monaco, director of the office's 
homicide squad, said it was too early to make a judgment on the shooting.


"We'll take a good, hard look at it," he said. "A number of witnesses have 
been spoken to, and we're in the process of looking for additional 
witnesses. At the appropriate time, the case will be presented to a grand 
jury in a fair and appropriate manner. The grand jury will make the ultimate 
determination based on the law."


Paul Bergrin, an attorney who was representing Colbert in a pending drug 
case, said the dead man's family accused Mildon of killing Colbert with no 
justification.


"Their version is that he was murdered by an Irvington police officer," 
Bergrin said.


Area residents angrily criticized Mildon's decision to shoot so close to the 
two girls, ages 8 and 10. But they said they doubted that charges would be 
brought against the officer, adding that authorities would protect one of 
their own.


"Short of there being a gun in the car, what could he have been doing for 
him to fire in the proximity of those kids?" asked resident Jay Johnson.


Separate statements issued yesterday by the county prosecutor's office and 
Irvington police department contained some inconsistencies.


For example, the police statement said Mildon opened the driver's door 
before he shot Colbert, but the prosecutor's report made no mention of the 
door being open.


Also, the Irvington news release said Colbert was dragging one of the 
children from the passenger's door while he tried to back away from Mildon 
and that the girl had tire marks on her clothes. The prosecutor's office 
said one of the girls was struck by the car while Colbert tried to flee.


A spokesman for University Hospital, where the girl was taken, said she 
suffered no physical injuries.


Guidelines issued by the New Jersey Attorney General's Office last June 
state that police officers should fire their weapons at moving vehicles only 
as a last resort, to prevent the imminent injury or death of themselves or 
another person.


The shooting took place in a neighborhood ravaged by drugs, outside a 
charred building that residents say has remained a shell ever since it was 
burned out about three years ago. Hours after the shooting, dealers 
continued to sell drugs in the open.


Palamara said Mildon, 37, suffered minor injuries to his knee and thigh from 
being hit by the car door as Colbert tried to flee. A spokeswoman at St. 
Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston said the officer was admitted 
overnight. Palamara said Mildon was hospitalized for several weeks with a 
fractured leg following the 1997 shooting.


In the minutes before yesterday's shooting, Mildon was parked in a marked 
patrol car in a vacant lot at 18th Avenue and 22nd Street. The chief said 
the seven-year department veteran had been spending the morning watching a 
corner that most days is used as an open-air drug market.


"He was doing the honorable thing, making sure the kids made it to school 
without any of those guys bothering them," Palamara said. "He could have 
been off somewhere reading the paper. He wasn't."


Police said the plate on the car driven by Colbert had been reported stolen 
in Essex County. The car had not been reported stolen, police said.


Some people hanging out on the corner of 22nd Street and 18th Avenue 
yesterday afternoon said Mildon had suspected Colbert of drug dealing and 
had been trying to arrest him for months.


"Everybody around here knows this cop was after Bilal," said Ayesha Fleming.


Colbert had been arrested a year ago by the Essex County Sheriff's Office's 
Bureau of Narcotics and was charged with selling cocaine. Bergrin, however, 
said Colbert was ready to go to trial later this month to fight the charges.


Palamara said he knew of no history between Colbert and Mildon.


Among the half-dozen witnesses interviewed by authorities was Luis Santana, 
the 23-year-old manager of Reyes' Grocery at 18th Avenue and 22nd Street.


Santana said he was taking the trash to the rear of his business when he 
spotted the officer talking to Colbert, who was behind the wheel of a gray 
Oldsmobile.


Police said Mildon had pulled in front of Colbert's car after Colbert 
stopped at the curb. Santana said the older of the two girls had come into 
his store before the shooting to buy Doritos and a fruit drink.


He said he was near the front door of his store when he heard the officer 
order Colbert out of the car.


"He kept telling him to 'step out of the car,'" Santana said. "The guy 
wasn't moving. The cop probably told him three or four times to get out of 
the car and he wouldn't."


Santana said Mildon was standing by the driver's door when the car suddenly 
lurched backward a foot or two, then stopped.


"I heard the guy yelling to the girls to get out of the car," Santana said. 
"He waited a few seconds for the girls to get out and then tried to take 
off."


Santana said it was not clear from his vantage point whether one or both 
girls were exiting the car when it began to lurch backward again, this time 
at an angle, toward the opposite curb.


Santana said that when the car began to move, the officer pulled the 
driver's door open with his left hand and drew his gun with his right.


"The cop couldn't have even aimed, it happened so fast," Santana said.


After the shooting, Santana said, the officer ran after the girls and 
disappeared around a corner.


The girls, 10-year-old Shaquita Boyd and 8-year-old Shanice Henry, were the 
daughters of Colbert's girlfriend, Tashonda Boyd, 25. But Colbert treated 
them as if they were his own children, Boyd said, and drove them to school 
every day.


The girls -- and the couple's own son, Bilal Colbert Jr., nearly 4 months 
old -- live with her parents, Barrie Boyd and Tim Branch, Tashonda Boyd 
said. Their home, on 22nd Street, is a 30-second walk from the shooting 
scene.


Five minutes after the shooting, around 8:30 a.m., Shanice ran screaming 
into her grandparents' two-story home.


"My granddaughter came in about 8:30 a.m. and said, 'Mama, they shot Bilal!' 
She was hysterical," said Barrie Boyd. "I got up and asked what she was 
talking about. She continued screaming. So I got dressed, came downstairs, 
and by then, somebody came knocking at the door. It was the police."


Standing at the front door was Mildon, police said. By then Shanice's 
sister, Shaquita, also had run home. Mildon whisked both girls away from the 
house, Boyd said.


Colbert and his girlfriend have been living on St. James Place in Newark, 
according to relatives. They did not know the exact address.


Colbert grew up on South 15th Street in Newark and attended Arts High 
School, according to his girlfriend.


He did various "odd jobs" for a living and worked occasionally as a barber 
at Nubian Kuts unisex salon on Springfield Avenue in Newark. Colbert also 
liked to bowl and participated in bowling leagues, his girlfriend said.


Staff writers Guy Sterling, Reginald Roberts, Mary Jo Patterson and Jeffrey 
Mays contributed to this report

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Subject: Report from Vieques Press Conference on Capitol Hill
Date: 2 May 2001 20:09:56 -0000

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The following Members of Congress participated in today's Press Conference
in front of the U.S. Capitol Building, calling for an immediate and
permanent end to U.S. military exercises in Vieques:


* Senator Charles Schumer of NY

* Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of NY

* Senator John Corzine of NJ

* Resident Commissioner Anibal Acevedo Vila of Puerto Rico

* Congressman Luis Gutierrez of Illinois

* Congressman Jose Serrano of NY

* Congresswoman Nydia Velazquez of NY

* Congressman Robert Menendez of NJ

* Congressman Charles Rangel of NY

* Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi of California

* Congressman Eliot Engle of NY

* Congressman Edolphus Townes of NY

* Bronx Borough President Fernando Ferrer also participated in the Press
Conference, and Damaso Serrano, Mayor of Vieques, issued a written
statement (see below) from San Juan were he was released from jail after
being arrested for entering the bombing range in Vieques, where he spent a
week acting as a human shield.

Contacts: Phil Singer (Sen. Schumer) at 202-224-7433 and Karen Dunn (Sen.
Clinton) at 202-224-4451.

Photos:

http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news?p=vieques&n=20&c=news_photos

____________


STATEMENT BY D�MASO SERRANO L�PEZ            Contact: Flavio Cumpiano
MAYOR OF VIEQUES, PUERTO RICO

May 2, 2001

First of all, I would like to thank everyone who has been, who is, and who
will keep on giving us support on this cause to stop the bombing in
Vieques.  My thanks to the Members of Congress who are gathered in front
of the Capitol building to call, once again, for the immediate and
permanent end to U.S. military exercises in Vieques.

I am the Mayor of that beautiful Island.  Today I represent the people
that struggle day to day to have a good life, with dignity, not only for
themselves but for their children.  I represent those men, women and even
children that are continuously dying, not only physically but also
emotionally, because of the unfair and senseless bombing of the U.S. Navy
in our lands.

Today, I am writing from San Juan, Puerto Rico.  I have spent the past
seven days -from Wednesday April 25 to Tuesday May 1st- in the bombing
range in Vieques, as have many others who have acted as human shields
against the bombings.  Prior to that, I was convinced that the Navy must
leave Vieques.  But after I saw how those ships were destroying my land
with their incendiary weapons and were leaving it in a catastrophic state,
aiming at us with the weapons that produce orphans in my island, I AM
ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT I WILL NOT STOP, THAT I WILL NOT TAKE ONE STEP BACK
UNTIL THE NAVY LEAVES MY VIEQUES, MY ISLA NENA.

President Bush, perhaps  you think that it was irresponsible of me to be
at the bombing range.  Well, I am the Mayor of the people of Vieques.  I
was following the mandate that my people gave me last November 7, and I
acted for their safety, health and well-being.  I acted and will continue
to act , to protect their dignity and their peace, as well.

We are citizens of the nation you lead, Mr. President.  We are U.S.
citizens.  I assumed the responsibility that I have as Mayor, to protect
my people against anything that could harm them.  It is time that you
assume yours.  If you let the Navy stay another minute in Vieques, you
will be as responsible as the Navy�s Kevin Green for the killing and the
suffering that is taking place there.  Every other person who dies in
Vieques or who gets ill by the toxics, the pollution and other harmful
effects from the Navy, will be on your conscience if you do not stop a
genocide that should have been stopped long ago.

President Bush, you are the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces and I
urge you once more to act now for the safety of my people, who are also
your people, Mr. President.  Until the Navy stops bombing and leaves
Vieques, our struggle for peace will continue.  Thank you.

__________


Congressman Jose E. Serrano
  NEWS   RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                     CONTACT: ROSALINDA DEJESUS

                                    Rosalinda.DeJesus@...
                                    (202) 225-4361

May 2, 2001

                SERRANO ASKS U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL TO EXAMINE ALLEGATIONS
ABOUT NAVY'S IMPROPER TREATMENT OF PROTESTERS

Washington, D.C., May 2 - - Congressman Jose E. Serrano (D-NY) today asked
U.S. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft to examine allegations that Navy
security officers improperly treated protesters who were arrested on
Vieques.

Serrano raised the issue during today's Commerce, Justice, State,
Judiciary and Related Agencies Subcommittee budget hearing at Rayburn
House Office Building. Ashcroft came before the Subcommittee of the
Appropriations Committee to present the Justice Department's budget needs.
Today, Serrano also participated in a press conference on Capitol Hill in
which members of Congress urged the administration to stop the bombing on
Vieques.

Serrano asked Ashcroft to address allegations that protesters who were
arrested were mistreated and that, for example, Congressman Luis
Gutierrez, who was arrested, was not allowed to post bail in a timely
fashion.

The following are excerpts from today's hearing:

"As you know there have been large demonstrations in the Commonwealth of
Puerto Rico and close to 200 people have been arrested," Serrano said.
"One of those individuals was Congressman Luis Gutierrez. He says that
most of the mistreatment was by the Navy, that the federal marshals
treated the demonstrators with respect and dignity. What information do
you have about how people were treated out there?"

Serrano also raised concerns that Gutierrez and other demonstrators
arrested by the Navy were placed in an unsanitary holding pen that was
used for guard dogs and had no roof.

"What role can the Justice Department play if Navy personnel mistreat
demonstrators?," Serrano said. "I would appreciate if you could look
further into this and get back to us."

Serrano, who made references to news reports about the protests as he
described the allegations, also said that President George W. Bush should
be speaking up about the Vieques issue and he has not done so.

Ashcroft responded by saying that he made an inquiry and was told that the
cases were processed by the U.S. Attorney in the order in which the
arrests were made and that if that information was incorrect he would be
happy to correct it. He also was told that separate facilities were used
to house the protesters who were arrested because there was concern about
housing them with the general prison population and there was concern
about the risk of
introducing these individuals to the criminal population.

Ashcroft went on to say that there may be constitutional questions that
arise out of this issue.

Please visit this site for more information:
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny16_serrano/~list.html


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Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling
Contact Joe Smith 732.729.0390 can_bush@...

Upcoming events/meetings as follows:

1. Saturday May 5 12:00 noon
Picket/Protest Irvington Police Headquarters. We Charge Genocide!  Action is 
being initiated by Peoples' Organization for Progress and NAACP in light of 
recent murder of unarmed black man by white officer who had murdered other 
black man 4 years earlier.

2. Saturday May 5 4:00 pm
Coalition For Justice meeting to continue to organize March on Trenton 
Statehouse May 16. March is to put forward and organize around community 
demands, mainly the call for Democratic Community Control Over Police. 
Meeting will be held at Imani Community Center, Trenton NJ.

3. Sunday May 6 1:00pm
Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling & Police Brutality local organizing 
meeting, New Brunswick Public Library. Meet to help organize throughout New 
Brunswick and surrounding area to raise consciousness and organization to 
Defeat Racist Profiling. Committee is working to arrange transportation 
(buses) and mortorcade to Trenton.
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for your brilliant analysis, however, please allow me to indicate 
what I believe is a very importamt misconception (or should I say, flawed 
assumption) that runs like a thread through your otherwise very accurate 
analysis.

I deeply resent the implication that Ralph Nader's only role in the   past 
presidential campaign was as a "spoiler" to help the Bush campaign because:

a) It was a decision of THE GREEN PARTY to exercise our constitutional right 
to participate in the electoral process and support the candidates of our 
choice. It was not Ralph Nader's decision.

b) We were hoping that with Nader on national TV in the presidential 
debates, we would achieve national ballot status. The Presidential Debates 
Commission in collusion with both the Democratic and the Republican parties 
denied us the right to participate in the debates and prevented Nader from 
occupying his seat in the audience. They also  prevented him from keeping 
his scheduled appointment with the press. After this unfair, vindictive and 
malicious treatment, the Nader bashers are suggesting that he should "put 
his tail between his legs" and walk away, or worse, grovel and support the 
inept Mr.. Gore. Come on, where is your sense of justice?

c) If Ralph Nader had decided to drop out or to support Gore, the Green 
Party would consider this as a betrayal of our trust. His name would be held 
in less esteem than Murray Sabrin's is in Libertarian Party circles today.

Are you, and those who are criticizing Nader, either afraid to admit or do 
not realize that you are questioning the right of a political party to 
contest the hegemony of the Democratic and Republican parties?

Sometimes I wonder, is it naivet�, a misunderstanding of the issues involved 
or a Machiavellian attempt to marginalize the Green Party and eliminate a 
serious competitor for the minds of the progressive sector of the community?

Ross Perot ran a "solipsistic" campaign but he was not barred from the 
presidential debates nor was he denounced as a "spoiler." are we by default 
approving and supporting a plutocracy to the detriment and deterioration of 
the democratic process?

Please elucidate.

JoeMosley
1st Vice-Chair
Green Party of New Jersey


>From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
>Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [nbpcmembers] account of NBPC in light of recent struggles
>Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:08:37 -0000
>
I started writing this as a response to Matt Smith's comments (pasted
below), but decided that I should take it in the positive and start an 
account of where the NBPC's at,with some history. this is a work in
progress, but I was encouraged to post as-is.  Take a bite.  Paul
>
Yes, the NBPC is intended to be a united front. But the egroup ecludes 
everybody who doesn't have internet access.  But the egroup should still 
function under the same principles.
>
To address the expulsions from the egroup.  I think we should have
explicitly named Joe and Cliff when we de facto expelled them from the list. 
  But that does not make the reasons for doing it invalid.  the fact is that 
Joe and Cliff have been harassing people on email ever   since they stepped 
into the realm.  Just as Matt claimed people have left the NBPC after 
feeling "used by NJFO", many have left the egroup after enjoying the gravel 
enema supplied by "wac_ & can bush@...".
>
Harassment is no substitute for struggle. And having unity doesn't give you 
the right to yell at people repeatedly.
>
And that goes for NJFO as well as the campaign.   Matt complains that the 
NBPC hasn't adopted a method to work out differences.  I'm not arguing with 
that.
>
Maybe a better question is: "How do we work together despite our
differences?"
>
To this end, how do we further our collective understanding of our movement? 
  I think we need to explore the different trends in our movement to 
accomplish that.
>
Step back again:
>
I guess we really need to figure out what was the nature of the campaign to 
start to address this mess. I'm going to try to address a few points this 
time (because I'm doing this at work, not because I want to duck 
discussion).
>
Was the NBPC election campaign a Left Bloc move?
>
Yes.  Why?  Because efforts were coordinated among progressives, working 
people, people of conscience of different nationalities, students, Greens, 
anarchists, communists, liberals, Democrats, a Republican, small business, 
small landlords and others who have various reasons to be against vicious 
imperialist political and economic takeovers of the cities and subsequent 
attempts to destroy all vestiges of popular, public and progressive 
institutions.
>

Was it perfect?   No.  Did it include equal proportions of the
aforementioned groups? No.
>
But no one said that we're going to organize all people of oppressed
nationalities and the highly exploited workers in NB in just one year. 
That's a multiple year project.
>
And who we organize is not simply a function of putting out the correct 
political stance---NJFO started the campaign.  We started with our existing 
networks.  That means mostly Euro-American, college-educated folks.  Truly 
changing the relations of the struggle for wholesale involvement of people 
outside NJFO's previously existing
networks means accessing and working in other networks.  It means 
penetrating the cultural boundaries that have been reinforced by racism and 
segregation ever since the US was founded.
>
Did we do a good job of accessing those networks?  Yes and No.
>
There were many attempts made by members to reach out and involve groups of 
all types.  Some of these succeeded. Some didn't.  Did we get people's votes 
from different networks/communities/neighborhoods/nationalities?  That's not 
clear, but anecdotal evidence says 'yes' to a degree. we still have to do 
the hard research, if possible.
>
Does the NBPC continue to outreach to different parties in a way that
communicates analyses of the issues and seeks unity on relevant points? Is 
the campaign politically relevant?  Is the NBPC a relevant political group?  
I think that's where this dispute is live right now.
>
i think the NBPC is a decentralized network of activists with multiple
layers of affiliation. There isn't much clarity right now around the NBPC's 
structure.  The steering committee is technically charged with guiding the 
thing, but initiative may give the best results. Many
people groove with the bottom-up approach to organizing, but it doesn't make 
for a tight organization. I'm not saying we need tight organization. I tend 
to think not.  When we get into the next election period, we'll need a much 
higher level of coordination, centralization.
>
but right now, many different trends are working on many many issues. This 
is giving us the chance to ultimately expand our membership ranks 
exponentially.  Below I lay out a rough sketch of the trends:
>
(one disclaimer: I'm definitely biased toward the political direction of my 
own work (which is NJFO and Arthouse), and I think others should contribute 
their versions so we can construct an intersubjective picture of the NBPC's 
politics)
>
The U&S (Unity and Struggle) trend, a faction in NJFO, contends that putting 
out propaganda is the principal task right now. The idea there seems to be 
education about the broad forces at work in our world, exposure and 
indictment of the ruling classes and programmatic suggestions about changing 
our conditions.  Proposals include working with state Democrats to get 
McGreevey into office. I'm not sure what else is on their plate.
>
Another trend in the campaign could be described as student organizers. 
These folks have been working on globalization issues, winning governing 
association seats, uniting with existing student groups. They were a major 
presence on campus and in the city during
the fall 2000.  I think of this trend as more loosely organized as others, 
but with the potential to develop many organizers from student ranks.
>
Another trend, best described as a majority of NJFO, is focusing on 
developing organizers and issues of space, setting up an organizing 
workshop, some are using important elected positions on campus to advance 
democracy and revolutionary principles.  Many work on Arthouse, campus 
organizing, FTAA, etc.
>
Lastly, the largest trend may be people who act on various issues related to 
New Brunswick: many are working on the Court Tavern issue, housing and 
redevelopment, schools, Sisterhood Day, nbpc newspaper, etc.
>
One conclusion I have is:  NBPC in general has failed to consistently
publish analyses of current issues, local and global and in-between and that 
needs improvement.
>
>   *********

Another NBPC issue dating back to last fall: Compromise. Did we make
compromises during the election season? Yes, but this is tricky.
>
The Fall 2000 campaign was probably the most manic, sustained and widely 
lauded organizing episode around here in many years.
>
The U&S trend contends that the NBPC leadership compromised on its
principles to make the alliance with Greens.  They contend that the campaign 
should have taken a position for Gore and against Bush and Nader in the 
national election, but the thought of that was thrown out because the 
leadership feared we'd lose the cooperation of Greens.
>
I have a simple comparison to offer here.
>
The U&S trend of NJFO pushed hard to condemn Nader because his campaign was 
irresponsible politics.  That he acted as a spoiler (whether he was or not 
is a hinge of this debate).  I happen to agree with that sentiment.
>
An issue of Unity and Struggle newspaper was laid out and included an
one-sided article against Nader. That was going to be produced through
NJFO and officially separate from the NBPC.  The U&S faction contends that 
NJFO members who were in the leadership of the NBPC canned that issue of the 
newspaper because of divided loyalty over the Nader issue.  They say that 
Nader was against the interests of working people in cities, etc. (much of 
which I agree with). The U&S faction went on to say that the NBPC alliance 
with Greens caused a compromise in ideological values and that our failure 
to put out a position on the national election caused us to be less relevant 
with voters in NB.
>
But it's not that simple.  Most of the students who organized for   Nader 
were far to the Left of the Nadir that he was.  Most of them had an 
anti-imperialist bent, they wanted to work in the NB neighborhoods. They 
were enthusiastic and took initiative, and- this may be news to people who 
weren't working everyday on the campaign during the last two months- but 
they were the best thing that could have happened for those of us who needed 
the third shift to come at the eleventh hour.  But if you didn't work ninety 
hour weeks for six weeks straight you wouldn't know that.
>
did we compromise our principles with the Greens?  No, I say, because we 
united with them on our principles as they are applied to the local 
struggle.  I'm sorry, but you are not going to unite on global issues with 
people the moment you meet them.  I think it's enough to establish unity on 
some key questions, but not reasonable to expect it on ALL questions.
>
(even further, it's fair to say that you may NEVER approach unity on some 
questions with major allies in politics.  that's how politics works. 
sectarians expect resolution on all questions and see unity as some sort of 
an absolute)
>
For all the historical materialists out there who believe in using
dialectics to analyze these situations, Chew on this....
>
Nadir was but one aspect of the national elections 2000.  The fxxxxxx
Democrats, the supposed party of the working people, spent the last twenty 
years trying to imitate Republicans.  The Republicans have spent that time 
solidifying their strongholds in the suburbs. The two major parties always 
vie for the undecided vote in the election season. So the Democrats ended up 
fighting with the Republicans over the undecided middle class suburban 
audience. But the Dems' largest
voting bloc is progressive, mostly urban, oppressed nationalities.
>
(Matthew, circulated a packet of articles after the elections.  The
article by Bob Wing explains how the Democrats rely on this base while they 
talk Republican to the undecided vote, among other things.)
>
Talk about fxxxxx up.  The dems are sold to imperialism. period. But here's 
the dialectical slap in the face.  You say the NBPC compromised
its principles by avoiding Nadir criticism, but the national Democrats were 
the principal contradictory aspect of the last election. If they had any 
sort of progressive leaning, if they wanted to register voters of oppressed 
nationalities, if they wanted to get out the vote in cities, they would have 
won this election hands down.
>
And now the kicker.  If it's a valid criticism to hold off on Nadir last 
fall, then it's surely valid to criticize Keith for calling the upcoming 
pamphlet on the NBPC politically detrimental to working with the State 
Democrats.  I personally have a great loathing for the Dems right now.  They 
propose proto-fascist laws locally, they participate
in ethnic cleansing.  I don't think we know how much worse the NJ
Republicans actually are. How much worse could they be?
>
Phew, That's all I'm capable of right now.
>
>   Paul

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(let's open the debate, waste the republicans, expose the snakes)

to joe, let's really elect the republican, fortunato -

the republican party most "impedes the development of independent political 
action."!

don't give me shit about studying communism when your actions worked to put 
bush2 into his illegitimate position.

"we are not on the verge of fascism", what is it that "we" are on the verge 
of? what is it that faison is on the verge of?

the "INDEPENDENT movement" cannot win an election on a national or state 
level. why don't the greens go after a city council position or school board 
position and build the peoples base in such a fashion?  currently the greens 
lie to the people and you posture as a progressive while you do the work for 
the representatives of the peoples' worst enemy, the republican party!
the republicans represent the most vicous elements of imperialism, yes more 
than the democrats. to say otherwise is a lie and will expose yourself as a 
phony. the progressive vote will build a temporary alliance with mcgreasy to 
waste franks/schundler.

republicans in the garbage can!
defeat racist profiling! -vote McGreasy
joe smith


>From: JFortun845@...
>To: can_bush@...
>Subject: Re: Fake Democracy
>Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:37:19 EDT
>
Hey Joe:

I think I'll send you a copy of "Left-wing Communism: An Infantile 
Disorder."

The fact is, we are not yet on the verge of the imposition of fascism in 
this country. The further fact is, the leadership of the Democratic Party is 
just as much under the stranglehold of the big Bourgeosie as is the 
leadership of the Republicans. The further reality is that the only way to 
beat back the reactionaries is by building an "INDEPENDENT Peoples Movement.

Your romanticized as opposed to a scientific viewpoint about where we stand 
impedes the development of independent political action.

Joe
>


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March on Trenton May 16 - Defeat Racist Profiling!

Organize the Peoples' Defensive, Vote McGreasy!
Charade hearings and the New Jersey sell-out.

Verneiro is guilty of withholding, covering, destroying, forgetting,
lying, and loosing information that proves he knew full well about
Racist Profiling and did nothing to stop it. He did nothing to stop
this White Supremacy Imperialist aggression and instead encouraged and
fueled the practice. It was Verneiro that was with Whitman and other
high ranking State officials while they ran up on Camden youth Sherron
Rolax and "made" Whitman into the most organized group of white
supremacy in the states, the Republican Party. Whitman, x-chief of the
State Police Carl Williams, and the state of New Jersey are currently
being sued by Rolax for this "frisk" and they are all guilty.

For Verneiro not to be impeached is a serious attack on the people of
New Jersey and exposes that we have a fake democracy. We, the people of
New Jersey must make  our voices heard this November when we bury the
Republican candidate for Governor. DeFrancesco jumped, now Franks/
Schundler must be dumped. New Jersey must send a message to the nation
that the people oppose the Racist Republican Party which is clearly
responsible for the growth of these profiling attacks. To this end we
must back McGreasy to carry out our task. Not because we got any love
for Greasy, but because we must waste the Republican candidate. Third
party candidates under present conditions should support this strategy
and join the people in backing Greasy. We can not afford for what
happened nationally, with Nader putting Bush2 into his illigitamate
precidency, to be repeated in this Governor's race.

The progressive vote must be aimed at wasting the Republican candidate
and the way we must carry this out is through building a temporary
allaince with McGreasy. The people of New Jersey and the people of the
United States need to rise up against the open agenda of White
Supremacy that is being carried out in its most aggressive form by the
Republican Party .

Defeat Racist Profiling! -vote McGreasy

Joe Smith
Committee to Defeat Racist Profiling

732.729.0390
211 Redmond St. #2
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
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maybe bush2 will name a concentration camp after nader


>From: "JOSEPH MOSLEY" <joemosley1@...>
>Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, shorepaulie@...
>CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, gpnj-members@...
>Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Fwd: [nbpcmembers] account of NBPC in light 
>of recent struggles
>Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:15:34 -0400
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>Thanks for your brilliant analysis, however, please allow me to indicate
>what I believe is a very importamt misconception (or should I say, flawed
>assumption) that runs like a thread through your otherwise very accurate
>analysis.
>
>I deeply resent the implication that Ralph Nader's only role in the   past
>presidential campaign was as a "spoiler" to help the Bush campaign because:
>
>a) It was a decision of THE GREEN PARTY to exercise our constitutional 
>right
>to participate in the electoral process and support the candidates of our
>choice. It was not Ralph Nader's decision.
>
>b) We were hoping that with Nader on national TV in the presidential
>debates, we would achieve national ballot status. The Presidential Debates
>Commission in collusion with both the Democratic and the Republican parties
>denied us the right to participate in the debates and prevented Nader from
>occupying his seat in the audience. They also  prevented him from keeping
>his scheduled appointment with the press. After this unfair, vindictive and
>malicious treatment, the Nader bashers are suggesting that he should "put
>his tail between his legs" and walk away, or worse, grovel and support the
>inept Mr.. Gore. Come on, where is your sense of justice?
>
>c) If Ralph Nader had decided to drop out or to support Gore, the Green
>Party would consider this as a betrayal of our trust. His name would be 
>held
>in less esteem than Murray Sabrin's is in Libertarian Party circles today.
>
>Are you, and those who are criticizing Nader, either afraid to admit or do
>not realize that you are questioning the right of a political party to
>contest the hegemony of the Democratic and Republican parties?
>
>Sometimes I wonder, is it naivet�, a misunderstanding of the issues 
>involved
>or a Machiavellian attempt to marginalize the Green Party and eliminate a
>serious competitor for the minds of the progressive sector of the 
>community?
>
>Ross Perot ran a "solipsistic" campaign but he was not barred from the
>presidential debates nor was he denounced as a "spoiler." are we by default
>approving and supporting a plutocracy to the detriment and deterioration of
>the democratic process?
>
>Please elucidate.
>
>JoeMosley
>1st Vice-Chair
>Green Party of New Jersey
>
>
> >From: "Paul McGee" <shorepaulie@...>
> >Reply-To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
> >To: nbpcmembers@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [nbpcmembers] account of NBPC in light of recent struggles
> >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:08:37 -0000
> >
>I started writing this as a response to Matt Smith's comments (pasted
>below), but decided that I should take it in the positive and start an
>account of where the NBPC's at,with some history. this is a work in
>progress, but I was encouraged to post as-is.  Take a bite.  Paul
> >
>Yes, the NBPC is intended to be a united front. But the egroup ecludes
>everybody who doesn't have internet access.  But the egroup should still
>function under the same principles.
> >
>To address the expulsions from the egroup.  I think we should have
>explicitly named Joe and Cliff when we de facto expelled them from the 
>list.
>   But that does not make the reasons for doing it invalid.  the fact is 
>that
>Joe and Cliff have been harassing people on email ever   since they stepped
>into the realm.  Just as Matt claimed people have left the NBPC after
>feeling "used by NJFO", many have left the egroup after enjoying the gravel
>enema supplied by "wac_ & can bush@...".
> >
>Harassment is no substitute for struggle. And having unity doesn't give you
>the right to yell at people repeatedly.
> >
>And that goes for NJFO as well as the campaign.   Matt complains that the
>NBPC hasn't adopted a method to work out differences.  I'm not arguing with
>that.
> >
>Maybe a better question is: "How do we work together despite our
>differences?"
> >
>To this end, how do we further our collective understanding of our 
>movement?
>   I think we need to explore the different trends in our movement to
>accomplish that.
> >
>Step back again:
> >
>I guess we really need to figure out what was the nature of the campaign to
>start to address this mess. I'm going to try to address a few points this
>time (because I'm doing this at work, not because I want to duck
>discussion).
> >
>Was the NBPC election campaign a Left Bloc move?
> >
>Yes.  Why?  Because efforts were coordinated among progressives, working
>people, people of conscience of different nationalities, students, Greens,
>anarchists, communists, liberals, Democrats, a Republican, small business,
>small landlords and others who have various reasons to be against vicious
>imperialist political and economic takeovers of the cities and subsequent
>attempts to destroy all vestiges of popular, public and progressive
>institutions.
> >
>
>Was it perfect?   No.  Did it include equal proportions of the
>aforementioned groups? No.
> >
>But no one said that we're going to organize all people of oppressed
>nationalities and the highly exploited workers in NB in just one year.
>That's a multiple year project.
> >
>And who we organize is not simply a function of putting out the correct
>political stance---NJFO started the campaign.  We started with our existing
>networks.  That means mostly Euro-American, college-educated folks.  Truly
>changing the relations of the struggle for wholesale involvement of people
>outside NJFO's previously existing
>networks means accessing and working in other networks.  It means
>penetrating the cultural boundaries that have been reinforced by racism and
>segregation ever since the US was founded.
> >
>Did we do a good job of accessing those networks?  Yes and No.
> >
>There were many attempts made by members to reach out and involve groups of
>all types.  Some of these succeeded. Some didn't.  Did we get people's 
>votes
>from different networks/communities/neighborhoods/nationalities?  That's 
>not
>clear, but anecdotal evidence says 'yes' to a degree. we still have to do
>the hard research, if possible.
> >
>Does the NBPC continue to outreach to different parties in a way that
>communicates analyses of the issues and seeks unity on relevant points? Is
>the campaign politically relevant?  Is the NBPC a relevant political group?
>I think that's where this dispute is live right now.
> >
>i think the NBPC is a decentralized network of activists with multiple
>layers of affiliation. There isn't much clarity right now around the NBPC's
>structure.  The steering committee is technically charged with guiding the
>thing, but initiative may give the best results. Many
>people groove with the bottom-up approach to organizing, but it doesn't 
>make
>for a tight organization. I'm not saying we need tight organization. I tend
>to think not.  When we get into the next election period, we'll need a much
>higher level of coordination, centralization.
> >
>but right now, many different trends are working on many many issues. This
>is giving us the chance to ultimately expand our membership ranks
>exponentially.  Below I lay out a rough sketch of the trends:
> >
>(one disclaimer: I'm definitely biased toward the political direction of my
>own work (which is NJFO and Arthouse), and I think others should contribute
>their versions so we can construct an intersubjective picture of the NBPC's
>politics)
> >
>The U&S (Unity and Struggle) trend, a faction in NJFO, contends that 
>putting
>out propaganda is the principal task right now. The idea there seems to be
>education about the broad forces at work in our world, exposure and
>indictment of the ruling classes and programmatic suggestions about 
>changing
>our conditions.  Proposals include working with state Democrats to get
>McGreevey into office. I'm not sure what else is on their plate.
> >
>Another trend in the campaign could be described as student organizers.
>These folks have been working on globalization issues, winning governing
>association seats, uniting with existing student groups. They were a major
>presence on campus and in the city during
>the fall 2000.  I think of this trend as more loosely organized as others,
>but with the potential to develop many organizers from student ranks.
> >
>Another trend, best described as a majority of NJFO, is focusing on
>developing organizers and issues of space, setting up an organizing
>workshop, some are using important elected positions on campus to advance
>democracy and revolutionary principles.  Many work on Arthouse, campus
>organizing, FTAA, etc.
> >
>Lastly, the largest trend may be people who act on various issues related 
>to
>New Brunswick: many are working on the Court Tavern issue, housing and
>redevelopment, schools, Sisterhood Day, nbpc newspaper, etc.
> >
>One conclusion I have is:  NBPC in general has failed to consistently
>publish analyses of current issues, local and global and in-between and 
>that
>needs improvement.
> >
> >   *********
>
>Another NBPC issue dating back to last fall: Compromise. Did we make
>compromises during the election season? Yes, but this is tricky.
> >
>The Fall 2000 campaign was probably the most manic, sustained and widely
>lauded organizing episode around here in many years.
> >
>The U&S trend contends that the NBPC leadership compromised on its
>principles to make the alliance with Greens.  They contend that the 
>campaign
>should have taken a position for Gore and against Bush and Nader in the
>national election, but the thought of that was thrown out because the
>leadership feared we'd lose the cooperation of Greens.
> >
>I have a simple comparison to offer here.
> >
>The U&S trend of NJFO pushed hard to condemn Nader because his campaign was
>irresponsible politics.  That he acted as a spoiler (whether he was or not
>is a hinge of this debate).  I happen to agree with that sentiment.
> >
>An issue of Unity and Struggle newspaper was laid out and included an
>one-sided article against Nader. That was going to be produced through
>NJFO and officially separate from the NBPC.  The U&S faction contends that
>NJFO members who were in the leadership of the NBPC canned that issue of 
>the
>newspaper because of divided loyalty over the Nader issue.  They say that
>Nader was against the interests of working people in cities, etc. (much of
>which I agree with). The U&S faction went on to say that the NBPC alliance
>with Greens caused a compromise in ideological values and that our failure
>to put out a position on the national election caused us to be less 
>relevant
>with voters in NB.
> >
>But it's not that simple.  Most of the students who organized for   Nader
>were far to the Left of the Nadir that he was.  Most of them had an
>anti-imperialist bent, they wanted to work in the NB neighborhoods. They
>were enthusiastic and took initiative, and- this may be news to people who
>weren't working everyday on the campaign during the last two months- but
>they were the best thing that could have happened for those of us who 
>needed
>the third shift to come at the eleventh hour.  But if you didn't work 
>ninety
>hour weeks for six weeks straight you wouldn't know that.
> >
>did we compromise our principles with the Greens?  No, I say, because we
>united with them on our principles as they are applied to the local
>struggle.  I'm sorry, but you are not going to unite on global issues with
>people the moment you meet them.  I think it's enough to establish unity on
>some key questions, but not reasonable to expect it on ALL questions.
> >
>(even further, it's fair to say that you may NEVER approach unity on some
>questions with major allies in politics.  that's how politics works.
>sectarians expect resolution on all questions and see unity as some sort of
>an absolute)
> >
>For all the historical materialists out there who believe in using
>dialectics to analyze these situations, Chew on this....
> >
>Nadir was but one aspect of the national elections 2000.  The fxxxxxx
>Democrats, the supposed party of the working people, spent the last twenty
>years trying to imitate Republicans.  The Republicans have spent that time
>solidifying their strongholds in the suburbs. The two major parties always
>vie for the undecided vote in the election season. So the Democrats ended 
>up
>fighting with the Republicans over the undecided middle class suburban
>audience. But the Dems' largest
>voting bloc is progressive, mostly urban, oppressed nationalities.
> >
>(Matthew, circulated a packet of articles after the elections.  The
>article by Bob Wing explains how the Democrats rely on this base while they
>talk Republican to the undecided vote, among other things.)
> >
>Talk about fxxxxx up.  The dems are sold to imperialism. period. But here's
>the dialectical slap in the face.  You say the NBPC compromised
>its principles by avoiding Nadir criticism, but the national Democrats were
>the principal contradictory aspect of the last election. If they had any
>sort of progressive leaning, if they wanted to register voters of oppressed
>nationalities, if they wanted to get out the vote in cities, they would 
>have
>won this election hands down.
> >
>And now the kicker.  If it's a valid criticism to hold off on Nadir last
>fall, then it's surely valid to criticize Keith for calling the upcoming
>pamphlet on the NBPC politically detrimental to working with the State
>Democrats.  I personally have a great loathing for the Dems right now.  
>They
>propose proto-fascist laws locally, they participate
>in ethnic cleansing.  I don't think we know how much worse the NJ
>Republicans actually are. How much worse could they be?
> >
>Phew, That's all I'm capable of right now.
> >
> >   Paul
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Soaries picked by Franks to run campaign 

               Published in the Home News Tribune 5/05/01 

               By BETH ROSENBERG
               STAFF WRITER

               Republican Bob Franks added some weight to his 
gubernatorial bid yesterday with the announcement that New Jersey 
Secretary of
               State DeForest B. Soaries will serve as campaign co-
chairman.

               "Buster Soaries brings a tremendous wealth of experience 
to my campaign for governor," said Franks. "I am looking forward to his
               leadership and guidance as I conduct a campaign focused 
on the issues of importance to New Jersey voters."

               Franks entered the governor's race last week after 
acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco dropped out, citing growing media 
scrutiny of his
               business dealings.

               Franks -- a four-term congressman who represented the 
7th District and narrowly lost last year's U.S. Senate race to Democrat 
Jon
               Corzine -- faces a GOP primary battle next month against 
Jersey City Mayor Bret Schundler.

               Soaries, who serves as senior pastor of the the First 
Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset, was once considered a 
possible
               gubernatorial candidate. He had hoped a minority 
candidate would enter the race, but when no one did, there was 
speculation he would
               throw his hat in the ring.

               Last December, Soaries, who is black, announced at a 
Sunday morning service at his church that he would not seek the 
governorship
               but promised to ensure that the next governor would pay 
attention to issues of concern to the state's minority community.

               At the time of his announcement, he did not endorse 
DiFrancesco or presumed Democratic nominee Woodbridge Mayor Jim
               McGreevey.

               Upon hearing yesterday of Soaries' position in the 
Franks campaign, McGreevey spokesman Richard McGrath said, "That 
selection
               solicits the first compliment of the campaign from Jim 
McGreevey to Bob Franks. He congratulated Mr. Franks. He thinks it's a 
wise
               decision."

               McGreevey "likes and respects" Soaries, McGrath said, 
adding Soaries' decision to support Franks is not a surprise because 
he's been
               working for a Republican administration.

               "If we don't have (his support) now, we hope to have it 
after Election Day," McGrath said.

               Soaries said Franks understands the needs of Garden 
State residents.

               "Bob Franks is the candidate with the clear vision, 
unbiased compassion and unfailing integrity who will continue building 
on these
               great strides and propel New Jersey forward as we move 
toward the future," Soaries said. "I am humbled and honored to serve as
               campaign co-chairman and look forward to working to 
elect him as New Jersey's 51st governor."

               Franks campaign manager Charlie Smith said Franks and 
Soaries have known each other for years and the minister has served as 
an
               informal adviser to him.

               Franks' congressional district included parts of 
Somerset County, including Franklin, where Soaries' church is located.

               "Bob has relied on the Reverend Soaries throughout his 
term in Congress and, during last year's Senate race, they made it a 
point to
               communicate with each other regarding campaign 
activities," Smith said. "Bob Franks has demonstrated a sensitivity to 
issues of
               concern to the minority community.

               Smith said that Soaries is a nationally recognized 
leader and Franks is "tremendously grateful" for his support.

               Beth Rosenberg: (732) 565-7261. E-mail brosenb@...

               from the Home News Tribune 

               Published: May 5, 2001

faison was killed under whitman's administration.


>From: jfortun845@...
>Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>To: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@...
>CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com, 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, 
>njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy
>Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:28:31 EDT
>
>Joseph Smith:
>
>Well, the Faison killing occurred under a Democratic Administration, didn't
>it? So did the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Black and Latino
>youth under the guise of their phony drug war, which only Nader spoke out
>against. So did more state sanctioned killings under a strengthened death
>penalty. So did the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children because 
>of
>the Clinton/Gore sanctions.
>
>And by the way, we  Greens do run in local elections and will do so
>increasingly. We've elected a school board member in Rutherford. We just
>don't tack on ultra-left language to the end of a reformist program and
>expect to win people over.
>
>Let's get real. Both major parties are parties of the Big Bourgeoisie
>revisionists and apologists have been arguing since before World war two 
>that
>we have to support the Democratic Party because fascism is right around the
>corner. Yeah, and the sky is falling, too. Employ a CLASS ANALYSIS, build 
>an
>independent peoples movement and throw BOTH the DEMS and REPUBS in the
>garbage can!

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jfortune500:

a "class analysis" demands recognizing contradictions w/in the enemy,
recognizing which battles can be won, and avoiding those that cant,
& optimizing conditions in which to build a "peoples' movement."

nadir did none! of those.  the class which benefited from his campaign is 
the imperialist bourgeoisie, who loves the bush2 whitehouse.

stop fronting

cs


 >From: jfortun845@...
 >Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
 >To: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@...
 >CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com,
 >nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com,
> >njfo@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy
> >Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:28:31 EDT
> >
> >Joseph Smith:
> >
> >Well, the Faison killing occurred under a Democratic Administration, 
>didn't
> >it? So did the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Black and Latino
> >youth under the guise of their phony drug war, which only Nader spoke out
> >against. So did more state sanctioned killings under a strengthened death
> >penalty. So did the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children 
>because
> >of
> >the Clinton/Gore sanctions.
> >
> >And by the way, we  Greens do run in local elections and will do so
> >increasingly. We've elected a school board member in Rutherford. We just
> >don't tack on ultra-left language to the end of a reformist program and
> >expect to win people over.
> >
> >Let's get real. Both major parties are parties of the Big Bourgeoisie
> >revisionists and apologists have been arguing since before World war two
> >that
> >we have to support the Democratic Party because fascism is right around 
>the
> >corner. Yeah, and the sky is falling, too. Employ a CLASS ANALYSIS, build
> >an
> >independent peoples movement and throw BOTH the DEMS and REPUBS in the
> >garbage can!
>
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fortune500 said:
"I also dispute that it will be easier for us to organize under the 
Democrats. At least with Bush, we know more clearly what we're getting and 
can organize accordingly. The Democrats sow confusion by talking a peoples 
game when it suits them but by carrying out an imperialist agenda, as they 
must."

bush2 says, "hey fortunato - hand me those nails, this concentration camp 
should be done soon. wow, good work - thanks for volunteering!"

joe500 was it better that hitler rose to power for the german independent 
movement?

u talk slick & u front big - try to blame me for the weakness of the 
independent movement. nader/greens could have organized more succsessfully 
if they embraced the progressive movement instead of being phonies while 
trying to claim the progressive movement. the progressive vote was aimed at 
wasting bush2 and for the populace it was succsessful despite your 
organizations backward campaign.

u think your too good for criticism and i should just hammer bush, how 
conveneint that would be for you to accomplish the same task in new jersey.

u got nada
joe




>From: JFortun845@...
>To: can_bush@..., coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com,        
>jkaminsk@...
>CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com,        
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy
>Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:48:58 EDT
>
>
>Yes, Earl was killed under a Whitman administration but also under a
>Clinton/Gore administration. BTW, the Feds were involved in Orange with the
>breaking down of doors and rounding up of Black men who "fit the
>description." Have you seen the Stolen Lives Project book? It documents 
>over
>2,000 cases of police killings that have occurred nationally in the last 
>few
>years--all of them under the Clinton/Gore administration. It was the
>Clinton/Gore administration that continued and strengthened draconian
>criminal laws aimed at the poor. It was Clinton/Gore that gave us "welfare
>reform," a further war on the poor.
>
>I also dispute that it will be easier for us to organize under the 
>Democrats.
>At least with Bush, we know more clearly what we're getting and can 
>organize
>accordingly. The Democrats sow confusion by talking a peoples game when it
>suits them but by carrying out an imperialist agenda, as they must.
>
>By the way, it was Clinton/Gore that lost the election. Blame them, not
>Nader, for the disenfranchisement of over 30,000 black men and women in
>Florida as a result of their phony drug war. They only needed six hundred
>votes but tens of thousands of Blacks lost their right to vote. Talk about
>the chickens coming home to roost.
>
>Are we too weak right now for independent political action.Well, what's new
>and on the rise will eventually overcome what's old and in the way. And we
>wouldn't be nearly as weak if folks like you would join the movement for
>independent political action.
>
>Bash Bush, not Nader.
>Repudiate your moribund "popular Front" political line.
>Build the Movement for Independent Political Action.
>Support Jerry Coleman, Green Party, for governor of NJ.
>
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i do support an independent movement.
currently the independents stand no chance in winning the governor's seat. 
just because the greens hold one school board seat in rutherford and maybe 
another seat somewhere else in the state does not mean the greens stand a 
chance for statewide positions. let alone all the other independent 
candidates that will also objectively serve the republicans.

i did not put forward that facism is around the corner nor have i attributed 
ultra-left slogans anywhere in our correspondence. i would definitely 
appreciate if you would stop lying and putting words in my mouth. if you 
think that i have, show me/us where.

the greens represent the republicans, that is the class analysis i come up 
with. don't you see how your rugreen joe kamiski jumped right on franks lap. 
let alone the phony progressive positions nader put out while being embraced 
by bush2 to divide the anti-bush vote.

joe



>From: JFortun845@...
>To: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@...
>CC: JFortun845@..., rugreens@yahoogroups.com,        
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com,     
>    njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy
>Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:28:31 EDT
>
>Joseph Smith:
>
>Well, the Faison killing occurred under a Democratic Administration, didn't
>it? So did the incarceration of hundreds of thousands of Black and Latino
>youth under the guise of their phony drug war, which only Nader spoke out
>against. So did more state sanctioned killings under a strengthened death
>penalty. So did the killing of tens of thousands of Iraqi children because 
>of
>the Clinton/Gore sanctions.
>
>And by the way, we  Greens do run in local elections and will do so
>increasingly. We've elected a school board member in Rutherford. We just
>don't tack on ultra-left language to the end of a reformist program and
>expect to win people over.
>
>Let's get real. Both major parties are parties of the Big Bourgeoisie
>revisionists and apologists have been arguing since before World war two 
>that
>we have to support the Democratic Party because fascism is right around the
>corner. Yeah, and the sky is falling, too. Employ a CLASS ANALYSIS, build 
>an
>independent peoples movement and throw BOTH the DEMS and REPUBS in the
>garbage can!

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WE MUST KEEP BEING SELF-DISCIPLINE AND SELF-STUDY .
AND TRY NOT TO BE VIOLENCE LIKE BOL/SWORD
TRACY FORD



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 I WILL DEBATE YOU IN OPEN AND PUBLIC PLACE .



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Dear Friend and Justice Seeker,

       I am writing to give you information that I think you will find of 
interest about two activities that will take place at the Statehouse in 
Trenton next week.

On MONDAY, MAY 14, NEW JERSEYANS FOR A DEATH PENALTY MORATORIUM will hold a 
noon rally in support of proposed legislation, A-1853, for a moratorium on 
the death penalty in New Jersey. Senator Corzine and others will address the 
rally. Supporters of a moratorium share a historical commitment to social 
justice for all. We believe that criminal procedures are inconsistent and 
weighted against the poor, the powerless, members of minority groups and 
persons with mental and developmental disabilities.  Errors have led to the 
punishment and execution of the innocent.  The death penalty is also costly 
and unproven as a deterrent. Therefore, we will urge the Governor to declare 
an immediate moratorium, pending legislative action. A moratorium would allow 
time for investigation into inequities, cost, and trial and sentencing 
errors, as well as consideration of alternative methods that may better 
address problems of societal violence.

On WEDNESDAY, MAY 16, the COALITION FOR JUSTICE, a diverse statewide group of 
over 40 community organizations, has organized a march and rally in response 
to the persistence of racial profiling and acts of brutality victimizing 
persons of color by New Jersey police.  There is widespread concern about 
recent incidents of police brutality, including the death of Earl Caisson in 
police custody, the shooting death of Stanton Crew, the death of Jenny 
Hightower in Trenton, the shooting of three minority men on the New Jersey 
Turnpike by state troopers and this week's shooting of Bill Dashawn Colbert 
in Irvington.
 
Mayor Palmer will welcome the marchers. Speakers will put forward a nine 
point program to remedy past episodes of racial profiling and police 
brutality and institutionalize steps for the prevention of such racist 
practices in the future. Victims and families of victims of police violence 
will tell their stories. National figures will provide a national 
perspective. In addition to the March and Rally, members of the Coalition for 
Justice are scheduling meetings with state legislators and have already 
scheduled a follow-up meeting to continue to press for
their demands.

The rallies are scheduled at noon. Please come and pass on the information 
about the rallies to other interested persons.

                                                                         
Thank you,
                                                                         Jean 
Ross, Esq.
    











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(concerning black Irvington youth Bilal Colbert being shot dead by white 
Irvington cop, can someone get this to the New Brunswick Coalition Against 
Police Brutality?)


From: "Howard Nelson" <howardnelson@...>
Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
To: <poprogress@yahoogroups.com>, <harrisje@...>, 
<coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com>, <FBalducciJ@...>, "steveg" 
<gotzler@...>
Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [poprogress] Protest held on Saturday 
(5/5/)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:23:56 -0400

Unless WE take action we are not conscious! We are simply talking
self-righteously as liars and supporters of the killing status quo. Our egos 
are salved while our innocent neighbors continue to be savaged -- courtesy 
of our high-sounding protestations. Don't feel bad. No one really died in 
the years before and during the civil rights movement of the 50's and 60's 
down south. No one has died up north either -- don't believe what you read 
in the newspapers and see on TV. If there is any murderous racism around 
here or there, don't be concerned, someone else will handle it. Follow the 
Father Niemoeller program -- ignore your needy fellow human beings as long 
as you are able.

The next innocent victim to be killed by police in Essex county is scheduled 
for a little later this year. This execution will be carried out with the 
tacit approval of the residents of the county who are mostly still asleep, 
uncaring, or simply feeling hopeless and helpless. This next victim, or one 
of those right after that one, will be someone near and dear to YOU -- and 
won't you and they be surprised! Does any one understand what Malcolm X said 
about the need for social-political education -- and implementation?!

Unless YOU, WE, and particularly the RESIDENTS of IRVINGTON produce the
action, don't expect any beneficial action out of the City Council or Mayor. 
CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TOLD ME THAT THEMSELVES on Saturday May 5th !!! THE FEW 
DECENT MEMBERS DO NOT HAVE A MAJORITY WILLING TO DO THE OBVIOUS MORAL, 
ETHICAL, JUST THING. YOU are needed to bring constant unbearable pressure to 
bear on the City Council and Mayor.

If I thought my life or my friend's life were at stake, I would do the
following as a minimum --

1. Get my friends and Church congregation to all show up at the next City 
Council meeting on May 15th [2nd Tuesday of each month] at 7PM.
2.Demand and obtain the following:

   [a] Open all the police complaint files of the last 10 years to the
public -- nature of complaint, date of complaint, ID of police officer
complained against, details of the investigation of the complaint,
disposition of the complaint [sustained, not sustained, ...], action taken, 
if any, against the officer. compensation received by the complainant
   [b] All officers with any physical abuse complaint against them be taken 
off the streets and given desk duty until complaint is resolved by a truly 
independent prosecutor/investigator. This may necessitate the City 
purchasing 100 or so additional desks.
   [c] An independent investigation of the weak-kneed, spineless behaviors 
of the City Council and Mayor in not properly confronting the Police 
Department's policies, procedures, training, supervision since the atrocious 
attack on Max Antoine about 5 years ago.
   [d] Open all police training manuals, policies, procedures, guidelines to 
public scrutiny.
   [e] Open an investigation into the possible collusion of Irvington
government and policing personnel with drug dealers who have arrange  for 
open drug dealing in Irvington for many years and to the present. Who is 
being bribed/paid off to go easy on the drug dealers.
   [f] Demand that weekly corrective action meetings be held among the 
Mayor, City Council, Police `Chief', and at least 10 representatives of the 
community who have had a family member injured by the police. If this is too 
frequent a schedule for any government member, that member should be 
urinated on by the general public whenever that member is next seen in 
public. This procedure should be continued until the member finds time to 
attend the complete weekly meetings. Continue these weekly meetings until 
the community representatives are satisfied with progress. At that time the 
community group will have the authority to set meeting schedules to audit 
progress at less frequent intervals.
   [g] Institute an active independent, popularly-elected, police control 
board along lines recommended by the People's Organization for Progress.
   [h] Present reports to the public at least once a month on progress and 
problems in obtaining corrective action of police behavior. This report to 
be made by the community representatives

    Do not leave the Council meeting room until all the above demands are 
agreed to and timetables set for implementation.Bring lots of peanut butter 
and jelly sandwiches -- you may have to wait a while.

  Howard

>
>
>
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>
>
> >
> > Thank you for those comments. I  watched the news, and I realized that 
>she
> > was what I call a "sell out" from the first words she spat at the 
>camera.
> > Your words are well taken. I was happy to see that many showed up to
> > protest the injustices! And believe you me, the concious folks out here
> > understand that a politician is a politician is a politician, black, 
>white
> > or red. Until we see some ACTION, we can not trust any one of them.  - 
>J.
> > Harris
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"developing strong ties" and "have some ties" means that the greens have no 
chance in winning statewide or national elections. and the greens know this, 
which is why they only attack the democrats because they realize that the 
correct political analysis show the democrats will receive the progressive 
vote in order to defeat the republicans. greens have not spoken one word 
against the republican agenda and how it is the most dangerous agenda facing 
the masses of people around the world. why? because of the way the greens go 
about organizing, the democrats are more the enemy (of the greens) and who 
they have to challenge for votes, because they will not receive republican 
votes. but reality shows that the enemy of the people is imperialism, and 
the organization that more vicously represents imperialism is the republican 
party. so it is a communist position to waste the republicans! but more than 
that it is common sense, something you greens lack.

joe fortune500 (chair of the new jersey green party) said below:
"And, yes, I will take some pleasure in defeating bourgeouis Democrats. They 
have to feel our sting, the peoples sting, before they will ever consider 
supporting a peoples agenda."

and so there it is peoples, open for all of you to see. the greens openly 
endorse and promote the republicans winning elections.  fortune500 is not 
talking of defeating the "bourgeouis Democrats" with a peoples' candidate, 
but rather with a republican candidate. so the greens run their candidate to 
empower the republican so that the democrats will consider supporting a 
peoples' agenda? and they ignore all criticism which is why we must say that 
the greens are consciously building the concentration camps right along side 
bush2.

hey fortune500, my line doesn't belong anywhere but new brunswick, until the 
organization is built to seize new brunswick positions (city council, mayor, 
school board, housing authority). then we in new brunswick must organize to 
support progressive movements in other cities. as we seize the cities comes 
the consciousness and strategy to organize to seize the state. that is the 
base necessary before challenging for the governor's seat. i welcome the 
rugreens to work on getting an elected board of education for the public 
schools in new brunswick which are currently the worst schools in the 
county.

joe smith



>From: JFortun845@...
>To: can_bush@...
>CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:20:59 EDT
>
>Dear Joseph:
>
>I have another suggestion for your reading list: "On the Correct Handling 
>of Contradictions Among the People."
>
>It is one thing to engage in polemics over strategic differences. You go 
>far beyond that, however, by making nader and the Greens into your enemy. 
>As such, it is your line, not ours, that is objectively aiding the right. 
>Your remarks about Nader and concentration camps are simply infantile. I 
>engaged in a debate with Amiri Baraka after the election. While our 
>diferences were sharp, the debate was kept on the political plane and the 
>tone was struggle. the method of unity-struggle-unity was empolyed. You, on 
>the other hand, seem to get some psychological pleasure out of bashing the 
>greens and engaging in personal attacks. Well, if it makes you feel better, 
>do it, but don't pretend to be a communist.
>
>As far as a base, what kind of a base has your raggedy line gotten you? The 
>Greens have locals now in most Counties while your line hasn't gotten you 
>out of New Brunswick. We also have  and are developing strong ties in the 
>African-American community because of our consistent work in fighting 
>against police brutality racial profiling and now have some ties in the 
>labor movement, which is more than you can say if you want to be truthful 
>about things.  And by the way, you are not going to "seize power" by 
>winning one local election.
>
>And, yes, I will take some pleasure in defeating bourgeouis Democrats.They 
>have to feel our sting, the peoples sting, before they will ever consider 
>supporting a peoples agenda. And McGreasy, as you call him, doesn't have to 
>and won't pay any attention at all to you. He doesn't need "communists" and 
>he certainly doesn't need you, whatever you are. But have fun anyway waving 
>his American flag, which he said (and later repudiated) that he wants to 
>make it mandatory to fly over newly constructed public housing.
>
>Paul makes a good point. In this state, even more than on the national 
>level, there are few differences, if any, between the "moderate" NJ 
>Republicans" and the State Democratic Party. Clearly, the situation calls 
>for a progressive agenda. McGreasy doesn't present it. Jerry Coleman will. 
>So have fun supporting the bourgeoisie. We will take an offensive stance, 
>while you remain on the defensive.

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run campaigns where we can win. where we cannot win we are forced to support 
the weaker of our enemies forces, while organizing the independent Peoples' 
Democratic Workers' Party.

to say that i don't attack democrats is funny, you obviously were not around 
new brunswick last election, plus i use the term mcgreasy to show that i 
have no respect for the democratic candidate.

you criticize bush2 after you put him there.

fortune500 said below:
"We should run in (national) elections to build our movement and to 
publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold illusions that we can 
"seize power" this way."

i argue that we should work on national elections to build our movement and 
to publicize a progressive agenda, because we cannot win we must work to 
support the candidate that least represents imperialism. the people/greens 
should work to defeat the peoples' most aggressive enemy, republicans, while 
organizing the peoples forces on local levels.

joe500, you are running this green candidate for governor knowing that it 
will work to strengthen the republicans chance of winning. i will attack 
this work and criticize this position constantly.

to work on seizing local positions only, because these are the only 
elections that the peoples' forces have a chance to win is a correct 
political position. fortune500 your argument is unraveling, the fact is that 
the people must defeat the republicans and the organizers must embrace this 
strategy or be criticized and exposed as counter-progressive organizers.

new jersey must champion the position that bush2 is crook by using this 
slogan to organize the voters to defeat franks/schundler. in this instance 
we must suck up all personal agendas and build a temporary alliance with 
mcgreasy.

republicans in the garbage can!- vote mcgreasy

joe



>From: JFortun845@...
>To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@...
>CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com,        
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:22:50 EDT
>
>Joseph:
>
>With all due respect, you are spreading falsehoods by saying we don't 
>attack
>Republicans. We attack Republicans all the time. We just sent out a 
>national
>press release attacking Bush's environmental policy. Your problem is that 
>we
>also attack Democrats as being the wolves in sheep's clothing. You do not
>and, hence, your line is no different than that of the revisionist CP over
>the last 50 or so years. We all know about the Republicans. hence, it's the
>Democrats that we need to expose. Your line is  not going to lead us
>anywhere. True, the Greens are not  going to win national elections right
>now, and wouldn't seize power that way, anyway, but if we don't start
>building independent politics now, we never will.
>
>The essence of my problem with your line, though, is that you believe we 
>can
>"seize power" by winning enough local elections. That's hogwash and is a 
>line
>which sets us up for failure. We should run in elections to build our
>movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold 
>illusions
>that we can "seize power" this way.  (This is a minority viewpoint within 
>the
>Greens at the moment, btw, which is why we need more conscious forces to 
>join
>with us).
>
>Cast away your illusions!

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Democrats push for Verniero
                     impeachment

                     05/09/01

                     BY BRIAN DONOHUE
                     STAR-LEDGER STAFF

Trying to force a showdown tomorrow over the future of Supreme Court
Justice Peter Verniero, Democratic lawmakers are publicly and privately
calling on Republicans to defy Assembly Speaker Jack Collins and vote to 
impeach the embattled justice.

Backers of a resolution containing articles of impeachment are working to 
sway at least six Republicans to join the 35 Assembly Democrats in an effort 
to bring it to the floor during tomorrow's voting session.

Collins (R-Salem) announced April 26 that the Assembly would not act on
impeachment. But the sponsors of the resolution contend that if they can 
muster 41 votes -- a majority of the Assembly -- they can bypass the 
speaker.

Yesterday, Senate Judiciary Committee member Garry Furnari (D-Essex)
wrote a public letter to Assembly Majority Leader Paul DiGaetano
(R-Essex) imploring him to rally GOP votes for impeachment.

"It is time for the Legislature to do its job," Furnari wrote in his letter 
to DiGaetano. Sponsors of the resolution, meanwhile, were collecting 
signatures on a letter asking Collins to drop his opposition, and other 
Democrats were making calls to Republicans colleagues.

But privately and publicly, lawmakers said Democrats will be hard pressed to 
win over GOP votes. Republicans have introduced their own resolution, 
echoing one passed by the Senate last week, that calls for Verniero to 
resign but would not force his ouster.

The Senate Judiciary Committee urged the Assembly to impeach Verniero
after determining, in its recent hearings on racial profiling by the State 
Police, that he intentionally misled the committee when he testified about 
the issue during his 1999 confirmation hearings. Verniero has refused all 
calls for his resignation, saying he did nothing wrong and "misled no one."

Assemblyman Francis Blee (R-Atlantic), running mate of Sen. William
Gormley, the Judiciary Committee chairman who has spearheaded the
impeachment effort, said yesterday that while he would like the
opportunity to vote for impeachment, he is concerned that the Democratic 
proposal would not allow Verniero to receive a proper hearing.

"I don't know how you bring something to the floor without a hearing,"
Blee said. "I don't know how any thoughtful lawmaker can do that."

Brian Donohue covers criminal justice. He can be reached at
                     bdonohue@... or (609) 989-0267.

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I move that we change the name of the yahoogroup to 

"joesmiththinks...@yahoogroups.com"

bush is illegitimate.  He lost the popular vote. and check in the dictionary 
what "nadir" is.

Tamara


>From: fierywomyn <nomes@...>
>Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>CC: jkaminsk@..., can_bush@..., JFortun845@..., 
>rugreens@yahoogroups.com, nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com, 
>njfo@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [coalitionforjustice] Re: [RUGreens] Re: Fake Democracy
>Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:19:43 -0400 (EDT)
>
>hello all,
>
>i am requesting that i be removed from this list.  aside from the fact
>that i would only like to recieve each email once (I just recieved 5 of
>the same emails from cliff smith), i am appalled by the debate which i am
>trying to read through with on open mind.  it seems to me that some
>people writing (joe and cliff), don't have the same open mind to
>understand the fundamental contributions of the nader campaign or
>other political movements that seek to give power to the people.  jfortun
>and joe (greens), if i were you, i wouldn't waste my time.  anyone who is
>truely "progressive" does not waste his/her time attacking other people
>who are actually working for the benefit of the people.
>Ralph Nader (check your spelling, cliff), did not contribute to bush's
>success.  Although i am far from a political analyst, it is obvious to all
>that this last election was taken out of the hands of the populace and
>"decided" by the supreme court; beyond that, bush won offically by 537
>votes!  do you understand what that means?  that means that almost an
>equal number of people voted republican as voted democrat.  the
>reasoning:  both parties rely on a centrist (appeasing the white middle
>class and older VOTING populations) platform.  they espoused the same
>concerns with the same attitudes toward them and offered the same
>potential solutions.  is bush "worse" than gore?  absolutely.  by how much
>-- enough to help the cause of the green party and other underrepresented
>parties to get their point across that we are ready for more third
>parties, that we need them fighting against the "republicrats," and that
>it will only be through the periphery of such third parties that we are
>able to transform our political system and our world into one which is
>truely democratic, truely representative of the people, truely
>progressive.
>
>naomi silverman
>
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now who is truely left sloganeering?


>From: JFortun845@...
>To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@...
>CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com,        
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:04:27 EDT
>
>In a message dated 5/9/01 1:21:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>can_bush@... writes:
>
>
> > you criticize bush2 after you put him there.
> >
> >
>
>Wrong again. Ralph Nader and the Greens continually criticized both the
>Republicans and the Democrats at one and the same time and in the same
>sentences. You are merely perpetuating Democratic Party propaganda and 
>doing
>their bidding by claiming Nader didn't attack Bush. Moreover, you are
>perpetuating the myth that the people only have the choice of Democrats and
>Republicans and that this choice makes some kind of significant difference.
>This is just the warmed over old CP line. We advanced the progressive 
>agenda,
>such as universal healthcare, a living wage, and end to the death penalty, 
>an
>end to police brutality, an end to corporate welfare, justice for
>Palestinians,etc., to name just a few issues on which both Dems and Repubs
>advanced reactionary positions.
>
>Look at the Leonard Peltier case for example. During the debate with at
>WISOMMM, Amiri argued that we had to support the Dems because they would
>treat our political prisoners better (Peltier and Mumia were mentioned)....
>Well, that worked out real well with Peltier, didn't it? Relying on the
>pro-death penalty, pro-police, pro-drug war anti-people Dems is not
>progressive by any stretch of the imagination. To support the Dems at this
>stage is to build cynicism and also tails behind the people, who are
>increasingly fed up with the two-party system.
>
>Break away from the two-party system! Throw all the bums out, Ds &Rs! Build 
>a
>true mass party of the people! Unite the many to defeat the few! Support a
>progressive African-American for Governor, Jerry Coleman. Support a
>Progressive Agenda.

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From: Jon Levine <jlevine@...>
Reply-To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com
To: poprogress@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [poprogress] Interesting story of 1943 white-riot in egregated 
Army>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:59:09 -0400

Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:01:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Art McGee <amcgee@...>
Subject: [BRC-NEWS]: The Mystery of the 364th

http://www.bestofneworleans.com/archives/2001/0410/covs.html

Gambit Weekly (New Orleans)

April 10, 2001

Some eyewitnesses say they saw a mass killing. The Army says nothing
happened. Geoffrey F.X. O'Connell reveals the story behind an ongoing
investigation into the fate of an all- black World War II regiment
stationed at Camp Van Dorn, Mississippi.

The Mystery of the 364th

By Geoffrey F.X. O'Connell <gfoconnell@...>

Were a thousand African-American soldiers gunned down by the Army in
a racially motivated shootout in Mississippi in 1943?

Were members of the controversial 364th (Negro) Infantry Regiment
killed at Camp Van Dorn to silence their relentless - -- and
sometimes violent -- demands for equality in a segregated Army?

Were the bodies buried in a mass grave somewhere on the sprawling
base or "stacked like cordwood" and shipped north on boxcars?

That's a story that's been whispered since World War II in and around
Centreville, Miss. A Pentagon spokesman sums up its 1999 probe of the
allegation: "Nothing egregious happened." But that isn't the end of
it.

Historians and journalists -- including this writer -- in pursuit of
this puzzling piece of American history are uncovering a nationwide
trail of racial violence during World War II. Bloody clashes in the
military brought with them an ever-escalating fear among whites and
blacks that at least one such incident could spiral out of control.

Why are these stories only coming to light now, a half-century after
they are said to have occurred? Several factors are responsible:

* After 50 years, millions of top-secret government documents from
World War II were available to be declassified;

* Historians are incorporating oral accounts of ordinary citizens
into their understanding of past events;

* Historians and journalists have come to accept that urban legends
sometimes can be keys to society's worst traumas. The white riot that
leveled Tulsa's black community in 1921 - -- with over 300 dead --
was legend until just this year, when a state commission in the face
of overwhelming evidence recommended reparation to victims' families.

* World War II veterans at the ends of their lives are unburdening
themselves of long-held secrets.

In February, New Orleans' D-Day Museum -- in cooperation with
Tulane's Amistad Research Center and The Eisenhower Center for
American Studies at the University of New Orleans - -- hosted a
first-ever national symposium on the African-American experience in
>World War II. Black vets celebrated their place in history, but also
>traded with historians stories of discrimination, protest and
>reprisal. Even keynote speaker Ossie Davis revealed a deadly racial
>incident he witnessed while stationed in Liberia. The symposium
>title, "Double Victory: Fighting on Two Fronts" alludes to a
>grassroots civil rights movement that called for "Victory at Home,
>Victory Abroad." The movement had no leaders, but some of its
>adherents were so passionate that they burned or carved a "double V"
>on their chests.
>
>"Troublemakers" in the controversial 364th Regiment had those "double
>Vs," according to Army intelligence files.
>
>Ridenhour investigates
>
>The casualty count may be in dispute, but it is now clear that there
>were hundreds of bloody domestic firefights from Camp Benning, Ga.,
>to Beaumont, Texas; from Ft. Dix, N.J., to Camp Shenango, Pa. Much of
>what we are learning about this racial violence is coming from
>documents that are part of a wartime domestic intelligence operation
>far more extensive and intrusive than what previously has been known.
>And much of what we don't know about the period is the result of
>government press censorship -- the proportions of which are not
>understood even today.
>
>The late New Orleans journalist Ron Ridenhour was nine years into his
>research on alleged killings at Camp Van Dorn when he died of a heart
>attack in May 1998. The award-winning investigative reporter --
>perhaps best known as the soldier whose letters to Congress prompted
>investigation into the My Lai Massacre during the Vietnam War -- had
>recorded interviews with dozens of white and black soldiers and base
>civilians about the alleged incident.
>
>Some interviewees swore they witnessed a shootout, or events they
>think led to a shootout or its aftermath. Some say the casualties
>were many, others say just a few. Some testimony claims to be
>first-hand, some is hearsay.
>
>Through the Freedom of Information Act, Ridenhour had tens of
>thousands of government documents released. At the time of his death,
>they added up to an intriguing but purely circumstantial case
>pointing to the deaths and disappearances of at least some members of
>the 364th. Ridenhour knew much more investigation was needed to
>discover what really happened.
>
>Ridenhour's has been the most thorough pursuit of the story so far,
>but others, like Mississippian Carroll Case before him, and
>documentary producer Greg DeHart after him, continue to raise
>questions about this incident and the cauldron of racial tension that
>was roiling in the early years of World War II. The latest
>installment in this ongoing controversy is DeHart's upcoming History
>Channel documentary The Mystery of the 364th, scheduled to premiere 9
>p.m. May 20. This hour-long program neither proves the allegations
>nor puts them to rest. It does, however, support the contention that
>there are serious issues here that deserve a robust public debate.
>
>The path of this story to The History Channel began with former
>McComb, Miss., banker Carroll Case, who first heard the tale of
>wholesale killing of blacks at Camp Van Dorn from a former MP who
>said he was one of the shooters. Case pursued the story on his own
>for five years, then, in 1990, passed copies of his files to
>Ridenhour. Ridenhour was in the thick of his investigation when he
>died. Following Ridenhour's death, Case penned his own book on the
>subject, a mix of fact and fiction called The Slaughter: An American
>Atrocity.
>
>The controversial and oft-maligned book caught the attention of the
>NAACP. The organization was shocked by the magnitude of Case's
>allegation that 1,200 African-American combat troops were killed by
>white soldiers in a single night of fighting in southwest Mississippi
>in the summer or fall of 1943.
>
>Due to pressure from Mississippi Congressman Bennie Thompson and the
>NAACP, which issued its own draft report on the subject in June 1999,
>the Army says it "was forced to respond" to inquiries about the
>book's allegations. It committed thousands of hours and hundreds of
>thousand of dollars on a report released Dec. 23, 1999. The Army's
>conclusion: "All available material clearly supports the conclusion
>no incident such as that described in The Slaughter could have taken
>place."
>
>Brig. Gen Brown, Chief of Military History, concluded: "This work has
>been accomplished with a rigor that should readily stand public or
>academic scrutiny."
>
>William Leftwich III, deputy defense secretary for equal opportunity,
>spoke to the press more forcefully: "With what we have done, the DOD
>and the Army...have put a stake in the heart of this vicious,
>maniacal...rumor."
>
>The Army report did not kill this "rumor." The allegations are not
>laid to rest because the report does not pass scrutiny. Critics --
>including this writer -- say the report is riddled with factual
>errors, marred by gaps and suffers from internal contradictions and
>conflicts with other Army records.
>
>Here are two examples of such conflicts. In the narrative section of
>the report, the Army says a bloody riot in Phoenix involving members
>of the 364th prior to their arrival at Camp Van Dorn was the result
>of the regiment's commander, Col. Wickham, serving too much beer to
>the black soldiers. Other declassified Army records indicate that
>Wickham had been relieved of his command at the time of the incident
>and was under medical observation in California on the day in
>question.
>
>And in the report's appendix, which is said to be a complete
>accounting of the enlisted men in the 364th, Pvt. William Walker is
>listed as "separated from service" -- off the payroll -- May 15,
>1943. But Walker, according to the report's main narrative, was shot
>and killed in uniform near the Camp Van Dorn gates two weeks later,
>on May 30.
>
>When this writer created a database from the Army "roster," dozens of
>these kinds of discrepancies emerged. Still, the report's failure to
>end the debate should not be taken as an indication that the
>allegations are true, only that the controversy continues.
>
>Not Colin Powell's army
>
>The military in World War II was not "Colin Powell's Army," as some
>call the integrated armed forces that saw the rise of a black man to
>high rank and national prominence. The mystery of the 364th -- and
>the racial crisis of which it is emblematic -- needs to be examined
>in light of the prejudices of the day.
>
>The military was completely segregated, thoroughly "Jim Crow." The
>Marines did not accept blacks at all. The Navy accepted them only for
>menial jobs. The Army reluctantly bowed to pressure and inducted some
>blacks into segregated units led by a white officer corps. Most black
>regiments were service units. Those few designated for combat were
>typically under-trained, under-supplied and sent to dreadful stations
>where they were isolated and subject to insult and attack from
>hostile, white civilians.
>
>This prejudiced conduct was justified by Army War College studies
>like the so-called "Bly report," issued in 1925, in response to
>racial problems in World War I. In among pseudo-scientific claptrap
>on the smaller "cranial cavities" of Negroes is this sweeping
>assertion: "The Negro does not perform his share of civil duties in
>time of peace. He has no leaders in industrial or commercial life. He
>takes no part in government. Compared to the white man he is
>admittedly of inferior mentality. He is inherently weak in character."
>
>With this as a blueprint, it is no surprise that despite the threat
>of a new world war, the military establishment resisted black
>participation. Some cities experienced riots when blacks were turned
>away from induction centers.
>
>Though historians argue over Franklin Roosevelt's political motives,
>the president appears in his declassified papers as adamant about a
>10 percent quota for blacks in the Army as he was about his threat to
>withhold defense contracts from companies discriminating against
>blacks. White workers in shipyards from Mobile, Ala., to Chester,
>Pa., rioted against the president's directives. In 1943 in Detroit,
>at about the same time the first race riots are reported at Camp Van
>Dorn, white workers enraged by black participation in the burgeoning
>war industry rioted for three days. The final toll: 25 blacks and
>nine whites were killed, hundreds injured, millions of dollars in
>damage.
>
>The violent birth of a regiment
>
>The 367th (Negro) Infantry Regiment -- the forerunner of the 364th --
>was a rare early entrant to the pre-war preparations, activated as a
>black combat unit in March 1941 at Camp Claiborne, in central
>Louisiana just outside Alexandria. In December of that year, the
>Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Beneath the veneer of a country united
>in its hatred of the enemy, racial turmoil simmered.
>
>Just one month after Pearl Harbor, violence flared in Alexandria. In
>a pattern that would repeat itself a frightening number of times in
>the years to follow, a black soldier in town with a pass was accused
>of accosting a white woman. He was set upon by police. His buddies
>fought back. Military police responded. People were killed and
>wounded and property destroyed.
>
>How many were killed and how much was destroyed is itself still a
>subject of investigation and debate. Even the Army report at the time
>characterized the situation as a police riot. But one local newspaper
>reporter then, and investigators now, say that the Army understated
>the severity of the so-called "Lee Street riot" and undercounted
>losses. This minimization, some charge, is also part of the
>oft-repeated pattern.
>
>At any rate, the 367th was broken up in March 1942. The official
>records of what happened are sketchy, contradictory and somewhat
>confusing. But so far, most researchers agree that the regiment's
>First Battalion -- about 1,000 enlisted men -- received orders for
>overseas deployment. The remaining two battalions were re-designated
>the 364th (Negro) Infantry Regiment. It took in a batch of new
>recruits -- mostly from Northern cities like Chicago, New York and
>Philadelphia -- and were ordered to Arizona in June 1942.
>
>By the fall, the full regiment was bivouacked at Papago Park in
>Phoenix. Letters from soldiers there and official Army investigations
>deplored the plight of the 364th both on base and in the hostile
>community surrounding it. A "John Doe" letter addressed to
>Pennsylvania Sen. Joseph Guffey summed up the situation: "If there is
>no change here, all of us from Pennsylvania have decided to go AWOL
>rather than be murdered in uniforms of the United States Army. Your
>delay, sir, can be the cause of a disgraceful consequence."
>
>Things were bad all over. A November 1942 memo to the Secretary of
>War from Truman Gibson, Civilian Aide to the Secretary, detailed
>"violent and abusive treatment of Negro military personnel by
>civilian public authorities in the South." It listed incidents in
>Alexandria, La., Columbia, S.C., Norfolk, Va., Mobile and Montgomery,
>Ala., Beaumont, Texas and Little Rock, Ark. The memo concluded: "This
>continuing wave of violence may lead to rioting at any time and
>certainly it is raising havoc with the spirit of Negro soldiers, many
>of whom have reached the stage that they would rather fight their
>domestic enemies than the foreign foe."
>
>On Nov. 13, racially motivated fighting broke out involving the 364th
>at Papago Park. But it was nothing compared to what happened two
>weeks later on Thanksgiving night in downtown Phoenix.
>
>The `Phoenix massacre'
>
>Just as with the "Lee Street riot," the details and body count of the
>"Phoenix Massacre" continue to be argued. A reporter for the Arizona
>Republic who covered the massacre told Ridenhour (himself a Phoenix
>native) that his access to the riot scene was restricted and that he
>always believed the body count was much higher than official reports.
>
>In yet another aspect of a soon-to-be-repeated pattern, an initial
>altercation escalated when members of the 364th returned to camp,
>armed themselves and returned to Phoenix. All that is known for sure
>is that the firefight lasted all night over the predominantly black
>section of that desert town. Soldiers, police and civilians were
>killed and wounded. Court martials followed. The Congressional
>delegation urged the 364th be sent packing. The army agreed. But
>where?
>
>Studies at the war's onset warned that domestic racial problems posed
>a threat to troop mobilization and arms production and could lead to
>propaganda disasters. Agents for the Japanese, for example, were
>already promising Southern blacks -- their "brothers in color" --
>freedom from white oppression, even economic rewards. Each report of
>racial violence that leaked out made its way to German and Japanese
>broadcasts to American soldiers overseas. A mid-war intelligence-led
>opinion survey suggested that 10 percent of the black population
>thought they would be better off under Japanese rule.
>
>One study was adamant in its findings about the deployment of black
>troops: "...as little movement as possible be made into areas where
>racial relations are different from their home environment,"
>concluded "The Negro Problem in the Army," circulated by Maj. Gen.
>Geo. Strong June 17, 1942.
>
>This advice was not heeded when the most rebellious black combat unit
>the U.S. had ever seen was sent to the nation's epicenter of racial
>hate and violence.
>
>Letters claim killings
>
>The 1999 Army report acknowledges a state of strained race relations
>as the 364th arrived by train in Centreville, Miss.: "To a majority
>it was a trip into a virtually unknown and foreign land where a man
>of color often had to fear for his life." These fears, according to
>files Ridenhour had declassified, were not generic.
>
>"Before the 364th came in, there were several unsolved murders of
>Negro soldiers. Their bodies were found in the field," according to
>Cpl. Wilbur T. Jackson of the 512th Quartermaster Regiment, another
>segregated black unit. "All the white farmers and civilians are armed
>at all times and seem to want a pitched battle with Negro soldiers."
>
>In a memo forwarded to Truman Gibson, Acting Civilian Aide to the
>Secretary of War, Jackson continued: "Men have been constantly
>molested and beaten by white MPs." Jackson said he was willing to
>testify anywhere, anytime about what he has seen, concluding his
>memo: "I'd rather die for something I really did than to be shot down
>because some officer doesn't like the way I walk, or the look on my
>face."
>
>Violent racial clashes began at Camp Van Dorn and in nearby towns
>within 24 hours of the arrival of the 364th. Though there is much
>debate about details, the record reflects some consensus truths:
>
>* Soldiers of the 364th claimed they were going to "clean up" the
>base and surrounding towns, challenging Jim Crow laws at every turn;
>
>* White civilians were heavily armed, braced for a violent clash;
>
>* The Army high command in Washington warned base and regimental
>commanders that they were to end racial violence or lose their jobs;
>
>* On May 30, within days of the arrival of the 364th, Pvt. William
>Walker, while scuffling with white MPs near the entrance to the base,
>was killed by the local sheriff;
>
>* Members of Walker's company, joined by others, broke into base
>storerooms, stole rifles and headed for Centreville, swearing revenge.
>
>The largest newspaper in the region, The McComb Daily Enterprise,
>reported: "Many wild rumors floated about . rumors of men being
>killed by the scores and of women being molested. All efforts to run
>these rumors down did nothing more than emphasize the chaotic way the
>public has of reacting to emotional disturbances."
>
>Press censorship
>
>There was chaos to be sure. The 364th's Morning Reports, a kind of
>company-by-company daily attendance sheet, note dozens of soldiers as
>AWOL following the Walker shooting and its aftermath. Files in the
>National Archives trace some who made their way north, seeking from
>their local induction boards asylum from what they called a
>life-threatening situation. A white officer in Walker's company
>interviewed by The History Channel estimated 60 of his men -- about
>half - -- were among those AWOL.
>
>Some white soldiers on this sprawling base heard stories about the
>violence and wrote letters about it. These letters are among the
>military's Counterintelligence Corps files unearthed by Ridenhour.
>
>In a letter dated June 6, 1943, and intercepted by military
>intelligence, Pvt. Harold F. Jones of the 394th wrote to a friend
>about racial violence that broke out with the arrival of the 364th:
>"...they started tearing down their barracks and PXs. Finally they
>worked over some MPs and killed two white officers. That night they
>captured five officers and held them in their barracks as hostages.
>Two battalions of the 5th Infantry were sent in. ...Our officers told
>us they carted 30 dead niggers to the morgue...but I don't know if
>that's true."
>
>Another member of the 394th wrote on June 5. "...a nigger regiment
>kinda took things in there [sic] hands and overran a few places.
>Result. They settled there [sic] hash with gunfire. A few of the
>niggers were killed. They killed a few white officers though. ...The
>Fifth Inf. was sent in to take over the riot and the niggers held
>them off by holding a bunch of officers as hostages."
>
>A soldier in the 163rd wrote home in June: "...there have been about
>20 or 25 Negros [sic] hurt and kild [sic]. They [sic] have been 5 or
>ten shot right through the head...and we are going to give them hell
>when they come around us."
>
>A June 1 letter written by a member of the unit in question, the
>364th, stated: "We are catching hell here. Two of our men have been
>kill [sic] and we have only been in this camp for six days. Something
>worse is going to happen soon."
>
>There are more such letters in the National Archives and the files of
>the NAACP. Ridenhour recorded similar tales of deadly skirmishes
>during his investigation.
>
>Whatever was touched off throughout the South in June 1943 was of
>grave concern to the Army. "The Negro situation is fast approaching a
>critical stage," states a confidential memo from the Fourth Service
>Command in Atlanta.
>
>Following the first days of violence at Camp Van Dorn, the patchwork
>of official records unearthed so far does little to sort fact from
>fiction. Here is a small sample of the problems:
>
>* Military personnel records crucial to the incident, along with
>millions of others, were destroyed in a fire in 1973.
>
>* Intelligence files Ridenhour sought from the National Archives did
>not arrive for six years. When he finally received them, they were
>incomplete and heavily edited.
>
>* The 364th's Regimental Journal shows no entries from the day the
>364th arrives in Mississippi until Nov. 4, 1943 -- almost the entire
>period in question.
>
>* The journal pages, starting in 1942, are signed by a Sgt. Malcolm
>LaPlace, who told Ridenhour -- and whose service record confirms --
>he wasn't in the service in 1942.
>
>* After the Army's initial research in 1999 proved "inconclusive" it
>received a waiver of privacy concerns and based some of its
>conclusions on records that are beyond the reach of the public.
>
>In short, the records are a mess, neither proving nor disproving much
>of anything -- yet.
>
>What about newspaper accounts? The black press had full access to the
>camps, black soldiers and accounts of racial violence, according to
>current Army spokesmen. But on July 19, 1943 -- just two days after a
>round of secret court martials tied to the Walker shooting and its
>aftermath ended at Camp Van Dorn -- the Secretary of War wrote the
>U.S. Attorney General that he would no longer stand for black press
>reports on racial violence in the military: "It is strongly urged
>that your department take appropriate action to eliminate this
>serious threat to the war effort."
>
>What that action was has yet to be unearthed from the National
>Archives. But a study of the one of the nation's most influential
>black newspapers of the time, The Pittsburgh Courier, shows that all
>mention of its own militant "Double V" campaign ends within 60 days
>of Stimson's challenge to the Attorney General.
>
>What began around the same time are indications that the black press
>-- and white media -- submitted to increased censorship. There are
>records of editors calling the War Department for clearance to run
>stories deemed "inflammatory." There are drafts of newspaper stories
>stamped "No Objection To Publication." Access to bases and
>information was restricted.
>
>When a reporter for The Pittsburgh Courier asked about the court
>martials he'd heard about at Camp Van Dorn, base commander Col.
>Guthrie responds in a letter dated Sept. 2, 1944: "Your telegraphic
>request for information concerning the court martialing of certain
>soldiers at this camp was referred to the headquarters...It prefers
>to withhold information for the present."
>
>The Walker Aftermath
>
>Two Army Inspector General reports prepared after the Walker-related
>incidents hint at the Army's response. The so-called Burney Report
>concludes: "[Gen. McNair] is of the opinion that the best solution is
>to confine the organization to the limits of its regimental area and
>deprive it of all privileges until such time as it will disclose its
>real troublemakers .."
>
>The Peterson report concludes: "...in light of the recent riotous
>conduct of the 364th Infantry, vigorous and prompt corrective action
>was necessary in order to place this regiment in such a disciplinary
>state that it would not again resort to mutinous conduct and to
>protect the lives of the citizens of Centreville and other innocent
>person."
>
>Ridenhour interviewed black vets who remember being under such a form
>of house arrest and white vets who patrolled the cordoned-off area in
>jeeps and half-tracks mounted with ..50-caliber machine guns. More
>letters intercepted by military intelligence and other Ridenhour
>interviews make reference to sporadic gunfire exchanges across the
>cordon line.
>
>The 1999 Army report does not mention armed patrols or house arrest.
>It refers to a disturbance in which members of the 364th disrupt a
>July 3, 1943, dance in the black section of camp. The disturbance was
>broken up by a battalion of the all-white 99th Division. "No one was
>hurt," reads the report. The rest of 1943 is covered in a single
>sentence: "Training in the regiment continued through the summer of
>1943 without incident."
>
>In September 1943, Col. Lathe Row of the Army Inspector General's
>Office studied the situation and concluded "that the presence of the
>364th Infantry constitutes a threat to the normal peaceful conditions
>at Camp Van Dorn...[and] should be transferred at an early date...for
>overseas duty."
>
>According to most 364th regimental documents, those troops not
>transferred to other units left Camp Van Dorn by train Dec. 26, 1943.
>After waiting a month or so at Ft. Lawton, near Seattle, Wash., they
>embarked on three ships for the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. They
>served out most of the war, some records indicate, spread out over
>1,500 hundred miles of desolate islands, eight to a Quonset hut.
>
>The 1999 Army report concludes its Executive Summary, saying:
>"...there is no documentary evidence whatsoever that any unusual or
>inexplicable loss of personnel occurred." What is "unusual or
>inexplicable" has yet to be determined. But attached to the report is
>an appendix that indicates hundreds of soldiers (almost one-fourth,
>it appears, of the regiment's authorized strength in the period) were
>transferred out of the troubled 364th to other segregated units prior
>to shipping out to the Aleutians.
>
>The main alphabetical roster of the 364th reconstructed by the Army
>in 1999 from personnel files not lost in the 1973 fire lists for each
>soldier the date he's "separated from service," a catchall phrase
>covering all deletions from the payroll -- through discharge, court
>martial or death. When these entries are re-sorted chronologically, a
>pattern emerges that appears to be at odds with the Army contention
>that there was little loss of personnel. On average, about one
>soldier's name per day -- from June 1943 through the end of the war
>-- is dropped not just from the 364th's roster, but from the Army
>payroll.
>
>In the months before his death, Ridenhour was comparing Army payroll
>records and General Orders he had obtained that bore hand-written
>notations in the Regimental Journal showing "losses" to the 364th
>while stationed in the Aleutians in 1944. Some of his preliminary
>calculations showed a drop-off of nearly 1,000 enlisted men -- a
>third of the regiment -- with no accompanying explanation of
>transfers to other units or discharges.
>
>In 1999, the Army said it has accounted for all but 20 of the nearly
>4,000 black enlisted men who served in the 364th during some period
>of time from April through December 1943. However, in a memo to
>DeHart in response to some of these apparent discrepancies, the Army
>retreated from its 1999 position of certainty. The memo said faulty
>record keeping in the 1940s, miscommunication about transfer orders
>and poorly copied records can account for the apparent conflicts.
>
>Regardless of the state of the documents the Army relied on, all that
>is accounted for are records of these men, not the men themselves.
>When the Army sought to interview by phone living members of the
>364th, they turned up only 116 by the time the report was issued.
>
>Of course, death by natural causes in a group this old would explain
>much. But when independent producer Greg DeHart hired a private
>investigator to run computer traces on members of the 364th listed in
>1943 intelligence files as "troublemakers" the investigator reported
>a common response: "No records found for your subject." Some living
>soldiers were traceable. Some, when contacted by producer DeHart,
>denied that they were ever in the 364th. Some initially agreed to be
>interviewed about violence at Camp Van Dorn, then declined.
>
>It's experiences like these that keep people digging for answers.
>
>Conclusions
>
>Certainly, the idea of a single massacre of 1,200 soldiers in one
>unit at one base and a subsequent cover-up lasting almost 60 years,
>strains credulity. But even one Army commentator believes aspects of
>history can be hidden for generations. "Although almost too
>preposterous to consider at first," he wrote of the Camp Van Dorn
>massacre, "so too was the government's involvement in the Tuskegee
>Syphilis Study," referring to the recently revealed scandal of
>government program in which treatments were withheld from blacks to
>study how they deteriorated and died with the disease.
>
>The level of racial violence in the military, the intensity of racial
>hatred and the willingness of elements of the Army to discriminate
>against blacks trying to serve their country is a disgrace that is
>gradually coming to light.
>
>Perhaps further research will show the worst violence at Camp Van
>Dorn and other bases occurred at the hands of civilians, not Army
>personnel. Consider this item in the declassified study "The
>Treatment of The Negro Trainee" (conducted just months after the 1943
>summer of violence): "There are a few cases where it appeared that
>the army officers deserted the men and left them to the mercy of
>civilian attackers."
>
>Or perhaps "troublemakers" were disappeared into a maze of secret
>court martials, open-ended "disciplinary" internments and
>dishonorable discharges. Consider this Oct. 9, 1944, memo from Col.
>J.M. Roamer, Director of Intelligence, sent to the Commanding
>General, Army Service Forces: "It is known that there are large
>numbers of Negro soldiers who are now awaiting discharge in camps
>where trouble has occurred. . The discharge should be accelerated."
>
>In the final analysis, the 1999 Army report presents a rebuttal to
>Carol Case's The Slaughter that is as fragmented and circumstantial
>as they charge Case's book to be. At best, it is one more chapter in
>the ongoing saga, raising challenges to a massacre theory that must
>be addressed by researchers, but illuminating little of this dark
>corner of American history.
>
>The History Channel's Mystery of the 364th is an even-handed
>advancement of this compelling inquiry.
>
>Much remains to be done.
>
>- --
>
>Geoffrey F.X. O'Connell's work is supported by a grant from The Fund
>for Investigative Journalism. Ron Ridenhour's investigation was
>supported by a grant from the Alicia Patterson Foundation. Since
>Ridenhour's death, the executor of his estate, New Orleans attorney
>Mary Howell, has assisted O'Connell in furthering his former
>colleague's work. Email O'Connell at <gfoconnell@...>.
>
>Copyright (c) 2001 Gambit Communications. All Rights Reserved.
>
>
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run campaigns where we can win. where we cannot win we are forced to support 
the weaker of our enemies forces, while organizing the independent Peoples' 
Democratic Workers' Party.

to say that i don't attack democrats is funny, you obviously were not around 
new brunswick last election, plus i use the term mcgreasy to show that i 
have no respect for the democratic candidate.

you criticize bush2 after you put him there.

fortune500 said below:
"We should run in (national) elections to build our movement and to 
publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold illusions that we can 
"seize power" this way."

i argue that we should work on national elections to build our movement and 
to publicize a progressive agenda, because we cannot win we must work to 
support the candidate that least represents imperialism. the people/greens 
should work to defeat the peoples' most aggressive enemy, republicans, while 
organizing the peoples forces on local levels.

joe500, you are running this green candidate for governor knowing that it 
will work to strengthen the republicans chance of winning. i will attack 
this work and criticize this position constantly.

to work on seizing local positions only, because these are the only 
elections that the peoples' forces have a chance to win is a correct 
political position. fortune500 your argument is unraveling, the fact is that 
the people must defeat the republicans and the organizers must embrace this 
strategy or be criticized and exposed as counter-progressive organizers.

new jersey must champion the position that bush2 is crook by using this 
slogan to organize the voters to defeat franks/schundler. in this instance 
we must suck up all personal agendas and build a temporary alliance with 
mcgreasy.

republicans in the garbage can!- vote mcgreasy

joe



>From: JFortun845@...
>To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@...
>CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com,        
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:22:50 EDT
>
>Joseph:
>
With all due respect, you are spreading falsehoods by saying we don't attack 
Republicans. We attack Republicans all the time. We just sent out a national 
press release attacking Bush's environmental policy. Your problem is that we 
also attack Democrats as being the wolves in sheep's clothing. You do not 
and, hence, your line is no different than that of the revisionist CP over 
the last 50 or so years. We all know about the Republicans. hence, it's the 
Democrats that we need to expose. Your line is  not going to lead us 
anywhere. True, the Greens are not  going to win national elections right 
now, and wouldn't seize power that way, anyway, but if we don't start 
building independent politics now, we never will.
>
>The essence of my problem with your line, though, is that you believe we 
>can "seize power" by winning enough local elections. That's hogwash and is 
>a line which sets us up for failure. We should run in elections to build 
>our movement and to publicize a progressive agenda, not because we hold 
>illusions that we can "seize power" this way.  (This is a minority 
>viewpoint within the Greens at the moment, btw, which is why we need more 
>conscious forces to join with us).
>
Cast away your illusions!
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Don't divide the progressive vote! Bury Franks/Schundler!
Build the strategic temporary alliance with Democrat McGreasy in order to 
send Nation message:
Racist Republicans you can't hide, WE CHARGE YOU WITH GENOCIDE!!

                   PEOPLES' WAR ON THE RIGHT!

(explain this greens/fortune500! cause i see a difference between democrats 
and republicans)

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/133879c.html

Assembly kills effort to oust Verniero

                     05/11/01

                     BY BRIAN DONOHUE
                     STAR-LEDGER STAFF

A formidable effort to remove state Supreme Court Justice Peter Verniero 
from office died yesterday in a bitter floor fight in the Assembly, where 
Republicans used parliamentary maneuvers to block his impeachment.

What began a month ago as a bipartisan push to oust Verniero on    charges 
that he gave false testimony about racial profiling to a Senate
committee ended in a partisan clash. Assembly Democrats contended the
Republican majority was ducking its responsibility by killing what would 
have been the first impeachment under the state's 1947 Constitution.

"Mr. Verniero represents the worst elements of our criminal-justice system; 
his presence on the highest court is a travesty and he must be removed," 
said Assemblyman William Payne (D-Essex), sponsor of a resolution to bring 
articles of impeachment against the justice.

That resolution was tabled on a vote of 41-36, with three Republicans
among the dissenters. No Democrat voted with the majority. A last-gasp
attempt by Payne to post it for a vote was ruled out of order by Speaker 
Jack Collins (R-Salem), who announced two weeks ago that he would not allow 
impeachment to go forward.

The session was the last chance for the Assembly to act before
Tuesday's two-year anniversary of Verniero's resignation as attorney
general, the latest date on which he could be charged for misdeeds while in 
that office.

It was the Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee that last
month accused Verniero of withholding information about racial profiling by 
the State Police when he was attorney general from 1996 to 1999, then 
misleading the Senate about the issue when it was considering his 
appointment to the court.

Throughout the firestorm of allegations, Verniero and his attorney Robert 
Mintz repeated, in statements and a 44-page rebuttal of the Judiciary 
Committee's charges, that Verniero did nothing wrong.

"From the outset, the drumbeat for impeachment was premised upon a
series of unfounded allegations and unfair inferences," Mintz said
yesterday. "The record created by this process will bear this out."

Yesterday's moves by the Assembly Republican leadership enraged
Democrats, 32 of whom delivered speeches saying the failure to impeach
Verniero sullies the state's highest court, tarnishes the Legislature and 
affronts minorities who have been victims of racial profiling.

In terse, angry tones, Assemblywoman Nia Gill (D-Essex) accused Collins
of violating the constitutional rights of Assembly members and the public by 
refusing to let the Assembly even debate impeachment.

"One man in one position with one title has stilled the voice of the people 
to have a fair and open debate," Gill stated, glaring at Collins at the 
speaker's podium. "To discuss it -- you won't even allow this body to do 
that."

The move to impeach the court's newest justice began last month after
the Senate Judiciary Committee heard testimony from Verniero and other
present and former officials of the Attorney General's Office about racial 
profiling -- the illegal targeting of minorities for traffic stops and 
searches.

The committee concluded Verniero had misled it during his May 1999
confirmation hearings, and had withheld data pertaining to racial profiling 
from legislators, the U.S. Department of Justice and the courts.

While all 11 members of the bipartisan Senate committee called for
impeachment, only the Assembly can bring articles of impeachment.
When Collins announced April 26 that he would not allow the measure to
be introduced, he suggested the committee instead turn its evidence over the 
Mercer County Prosecutor's Office for prosecution under perjury laws. Sen. 
William Gormley (R-Atlantic), the committee chairman, rejected that idea.

Responding to the criticism heaped upon him yesterday, Collins capped
the four-hour discussion with an impassioned defense of his decision.

"I made this decision; I stand on it," he declared, his voice rising. "I 
believe it's the right thing for New Jersey, for its citizens."

Collins took issue with those who suggested he should let an
impeachment proceed because the case was being watched across the
nation. "Let them look," he said. "Let them look at New Jersey, which has 
said under our rules, given to us by this House, under this Constitution, it 
was determined that this was not in the best interests of New Jersey."

The Assembly gallery was initially packed with demonstrators who
shouted and clapped in protest of a 11/2-hour delay in the start of the
session. Others yelled, "I don't recall," a reference to Verniero's 
testimony before the Judiciary Committee, in which he said he could not 
remember of meetings he attended and documents on racial profiling. The 
crowd left before the vote.

Earlier in the day, Senate Democrats held a news conference during
which Debra Rolax, whose son Sherron was captured on film being
frisked by Gov. Christie Whitman in 1996, decried the "evils of racial
profiling."

While members of the Senate Judiciary Committee have asserted that the
charges were an issue separate from the issue of racial profiling, Payne and 
other Democrats portrayed impeachment as a chance for redress for minority 
drivers subjected to years of discriminatory roadside stops and searches.

Assemblywoman Bonnie Watson-Coleman (D-Mercer) called Verniero "a
living, big, great, huge symbol of that injustice that we experience every 
day simply riding on the roadways of New Jersey."

While Verniero has had few defenders throughout the controversy,
several Republicans rose to his defense yesterday.

Assemblyman Gary Stuhltrager (R-Salem) said the Senate Judiciary
Committee's report "contained no evidence in terms of lying or
misrepresentation."

Rather, he said, the fervor to oust Verniero had been driven by politics and 
by personal dislike of Verniero for his political ambition and aloofness in 
his former post as counsel to Whitman. "He was lucky. Maybe he rubbed some 
people the wrong way," Stuhltrager said. "They are not grounds for asking 
for his resignation; those aren't grounds for impeachment."

Gormley said the justice should find no vindication in escaping
impeachment. The full Senate last week approved a resolution calling for 
Verniero's resignation. Acting Gov. Donald DiFrancesco and all three major 
gubernatorial candidates also have demanded that Verniero step down.

"This is beyond not getting a hint," Gormley said of Verniero's refusal to 
quit.

The allegations against Verniero could become an issue when he appears 
before the committee for reappointment in 2006.

Mintz said Verniero, who spent yesterday working in his Flemington
chambers, was not concerned with that.

"Throughout this process, Justice Verniero has devoted all of his energies 
to his duties on the court," Mintz said. "He has remained focused and 
productive and he looks forward to continuing to do so."

Staff writer Dunstan McNichol contributed to this report.

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now who is left sloganeering? i suggest that the greens join the progressive 
movement and organize to defeat the republicans. let new jersey send a 
message to the nation - bush2 is illegitimate and all republicans must be 
buried. new jersey shall initiate/join the peoples' war on the right.

joe

ps- what do you think will happen to mumia when bush2 gets around to him?


>From: jfortun845@...
>Reply-To: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com
>To: can_bush@..., JFortun845@...
>CC: coalitionforjustice@yahoogroups.com, njfo@yahoogroups.com, 
>nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [coalitionforjustice] Re: Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:04:27 EDT
>
>In a message dated 5/9/01 1:21:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>can_bush@... writes:
>
>
> > you criticize bush2 after you put him there.
> >
> >
>
>Wrong again. Ralph Nader and the Greens continually criticized both the
>Republicans and the Democrats at one and the same time and in the same
>sentences. You are merely perpetuating Democratic Party propaganda and 
>doing
>their bidding by claiming Nader didn't attack Bush. Moreover, you are
>perpetuating the myth that the people only have the choice of Democrats and
>Republicans and that this choice makes some kind of significant difference.
>This is just the warmed over old CP line. We advanced the progressive 
>agenda,
>such as universal healthcare, a living wage, and end to the death penalty, 
>an
>end to police brutality, an end to corporate welfare, justice for
>Palestinians,etc., to name just a few issues on which both Dems and Repubs
>advanced reactionary positions.
>
>Look at the Leonard Peltier case for example. During the debate with at
>WISOMMM, Amiri argued that we had to support the Dems because they would
>treat our political prisoners better (Peltier and Mumia were mentioned)....
>Well, that worked out real well with Peltier, didn't it? Relying on the
>pro-death penalty, pro-police, pro-drug war anti-people Dems is not
>progressive by any stretch of the imagination. To support the Dems at this
>stage is to build cynicism and also tails behind the people, who are
>increasingly fed up with the two-party system.
>
>Break away from the two-party system! Throw all the bums out, Ds &Rs! Build 
>a
>true mass party of the people! Unite the many to defeat the few! Support a
>progressive African-American for Governor, Jerry Coleman. Support a
>Progressive Agenda.

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Protest Racist Republicans defending Verneiro!
2:00pm Today - Saturday   contact Joe Smith 732.729.0390

Meet at George St. Fountain for initial protest - March to Remsen and 
Baldwin to burn Confeserate Flag. Work to organize/defend New Brunswick 
community against Racist Profiling & Police Brutality, also Promote March on 
Trenton May 16.

Sunday @ 2:00pm Sign/Banner making Barbeque for March on Trenton May 16 to 
Defeat Racist Profiling. 211 Redmond St. New Brunswick, backyard.


for today's homenews tribune article about Racist Republicans defending 
Verneiro click on this link below.
http://www.injersey.com/news/hnt/story/0,2109,392590,00.html
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I CHARGE BOL/SWORD WITH BEING EGALITARIANS



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EGOS DO NOT FLOAT



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TALES FROM THE WALL SIDE



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Hey Tracy,

Where and when do you preach?  Some of us are considering checking 
you out.

I hope it's ok that we're Catholic!

JML

--- In nbpeoplescampaign@y..., TRACYFORD1420@W... wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
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Racist Profiling and the November election?

Democrats will not stop road to Impeachment:
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/page1/ledger/133b075.html

We must organize to seize power where we can win! In elections that the 
peoples' "representatives" cannot win (currently state & national) 
organizers must address and organize around the contradictions amongst the 
ruling parties. Present conditions dictate that the people must defeat the 
Republican Party candidate. Although the Democrats are not representatives 
of the people, the Republicans are openly the greater threat with their 
aggressive/obvious White Supremacist attacks.
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NEXT I PREACH WILL BE SEPT.
I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN AND WHERE. ALL ARE WELCOME.



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sept. 4 racist murders hogan and kenna go to trial - all are welcome


>From: TRACYFORD1420@...
>Reply-To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>To: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>CC: nbpeoplescampaign@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [nbpc] Waste the Republicans! - vote McGreasy
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:13:01 -0400 (EDT)
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>NEXT I PREACH WILL BE SEPT.
>I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN AND WHERE. ALL ARE WELCOME.
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